TWiT+ Club Shows 739

Leo Laporte sits down with Cindy Cohn, outgoing executive director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, to discuss her new book "Privacy's Defender: My Thirty-Year Fight Against Digital Surveillance." Cindy walks through three landmark legal battles that shaped the modern internet — freeing encryption from U.S. munitions law, exposing the NSA's secret Room 641A wiretapping operation inside AT&T, and challenging the FBI's gag-order-laden National Security Letters. They also dig into the headlines of right now: DOGE's reported access to Social Security records, IRS data used for immigration enforcement, and facial recognition deployed against protesters. As Cindy puts it, "we used to be talking about a scary future where the ability to marshal data against us was something that could happen — and now more and more people are seeing that we're actually living in a lot of that future." But she makes the case that the fight is still winnable.

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