This Week in Space 116 Transcript

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00:00 - Rod Pyle (Host)
On this episode of this Week in Space, we're talking about amazing space podcasts besides our own, and the awesome space hipsters. Stay with us, podcasts you love from people you trust. This is this week in space, episode number 116, recorded on June 21st 2024,. Spreading the Good Word. Hello and welcome to another episode of this Week in Space, the Spreading the Good Word edition. I'm Rod Pyle, editor-in-chief of Badass Magazine as if you don't know that and I'm here as always, with Tarek Malik, the inelegant editor-in-chief of Spacecom. How are you?

00:42 - Tariq Malik (Host)
my friend Inelegant. I am a ballerina on my toes Rod.

00:50 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Ew, boy, you're framing that up All right, and we're going to be joined in a little bit by our guest today, emily Carney, who is a writer, podcaster and chief space hipster at Space Hipster over on Facebook, which is a group over there of about 62,000 people which you ought to check out, and her partner on her podcast, dave Giles, who is also a podcaster and a premier musician, and their podcast is called Space and Things and I encourage you to check it out, under the condition that you continue to listen to this one and before we start, of course, don't forget to do us a solid. Make sure to like, subscribe and all the good podcast things on the podcast service of your choice, wherever you listen to us. And now drumroll, please.

01:34
A space joke from listener Michael Garrison, who actually just forwarded this from a publication called the Needling, which I hadn't heard of before. The Needling's headline it's kind of like the Onion, I think their headline for the week was Boeing to leave Starliner in space to prove it can still make things that don't fall out of the sky. Ouch, all right, thank you for that, michael. Keep them coming, save us from ourselves and yourselves, and send us your best work or most of the different space jokes To twist at twittv. That's twis at twittv because we, we need your jokes, otherwise you have to listen to mine. All right, now let's go to some headlines. Speaking of starliner, that's right.

02:20 - Tariq Malik (Host)
It seems to be hanging around a little longer than planned, eh yeah, so Starliner is now approaching its third week of its eight-day mission, I think, if memory serves, because this week NASA and Boeing agreed to extend the mission to June 26th. Actually, this is the third extension right, that's right, that's right.

02:44
They were aiming at the 22nd for a while. Before that they were initially aiming for like about a week or so of an initial flight about eight days was the initial one. But they want to get a handle on those leaks and those thruster issues that they've been looking at for a while. They want to test the thrusters while they're docked at the station and they want to understand that everything will be okay after they undock for the trip back to Earth. And so they've set and it's a really early morning landing. They've set an undocking for June 26th and then it would land at 4.51 Eastern time in the morning at White Sands Space Harbor on that day in New Mexico. So that's where things are now.

03:32
Now it is, as you and I are recording this, a Friday. It is the afternoon and usually if they're going to make an announcement to change anything, it will come around six o'clock today. So we're waiting to find out if this June 26th uh date's going to stick or if we're going to get, uh, uh, another extension, if they need more time to understand all of this. But, um, but you know they're, they're trying to figure out everything. And then what we did hear this week, rod, is that, no matter what happens, they will not require like a second crew flight test before the Starliner 1 operational mission, which is slated for early 2025. They're just going to take a look at what happened on this mission, figure out how to make any tweaks for the thrusters that they can, and then do that for the next mission itself. But that's kind of where things are. As we speak, the mission continues for Starliner.

04:26 - Rod Pyle (Host)
So for the first American spacecraft under parachutes anyway, not counting the shuttle to come back to dry land, they're going to be doing it in the dark.

04:35 - Tariq Malik (Host)
Yeah, well, you know, it's an interesting approach and, if memory serves, at least one of the uncrewed test flights land in the dark, so they've had some experience, you know with that First crewed.

04:47 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Yeah, yeah.

04:48 - Tariq Malik (Host)
And so this will be the first crewed one, and it'll be interesting to see how it all turns out Now. That could always change. They could always tweak the approach. They've got some few hours of wheel room, as I understand it, but we'll have to see how it shakes out next week actually but we'll have to see how it shakes out next week.

05:06 - Rod Pyle (Host)
actually, if I was in their seats once I undock I'd want to have the least amount of time requiring work on thrusters. I could Exactly.

05:12 - Emily Carney (Guest)
But that's just me.

05:14 - Rod Pyle (Host)
All right. Next up go Rocket Lab. Yeah, electron launch happened today, 50th launch of the rocket, which you know. We're just a few years into this era well, decade of reusable rockets, but that's remarkable.

05:30 - Tariq Malik (Host)
Yeah, you know it's interesting. Mike Wall over at Spacecom, who wrote our story for it, actually compared this milestone with a few others. So it took them seven years and one month to fly 50 electron rockets. Not all of them succeeded. They had a few others. So it took them seven years and one month to fly 50 electron rockets. Not all of them succeeded. They had a few failures. But SpaceX launched 50 Falcon 9s in seven years and nine months. So it took them a few more months than Rocket Lab, than Rocket Lab and United Launch Alliance took 10 years, just under 10 years, to fly 50 Atlas V rockets. And the European Space Agency not the European Space Agency, Ariane Space took 11 years and nine months to launch.

06:17 - Rod Pyle (Host)
I thought you were going to say has not yet.

06:20 - Tariq Malik (Host)
No, to launch 50 Ariane V rockets. So they are the new kids, but they are the faster kids, and maybe that's because they've learned from everyone else's work and also more about their vehicle. But it is a really great achievement. And not only that, but they have also started recovering their boosters to make it more affordable. They're starting a new rocket, a larger rocket called Neutron, which I'm excited about because they are going to launch it into space from Virginia Wallops Island, five hours from my house. So I look forward to going and see that thing launch in person, just as I have for Rocket Lab. They do launch them from NASA's Wallops Flight Facility there as well, not as much recently, but they want to do one a month from there at least.

07:06 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Eventually, when they scale up, that's cool and we should note that SpaceX is well over. They must be into close to what 315, 20 launches now.

07:16 - Tariq Malik (Host)
Oh, so I mean I'm pretty sure they've flown more than 50 launches this year alone.

07:20 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Yeah, no they have. I think they're at like 62 or something, yeah, so no they have, I think they're out like 62 or something.

07:24
Yeah, they launched like two this week already three by the way the the west coast launch just the other day was one of the best ever I. I unfortunately did not see it from the boat, where I've got a clear view of the west. I had to see it from the condo, so there are a lot of trees in the way, but you can see the thing slowly arc up and you actually could see the fairing separate. You could see its stage. You could say every stage of the flight. What I could not see was the first stage uh, burn back maneuver, but that was. That was awfully cool, all right. And from from the amazing and sublime to the absurd, which is your fixation on the moon, what the summer? It's the summer solstice and the full strawberry moon what the hell is that?

08:08 - Tariq Malik (Host)
Well, no, I just thought it was fun. I mean, as you and I are recording it, it's the strawberry full moon, it's the first full moon of summer, because the solstice the summer, like would that mark the changing of the seasons was yesterday, the day before we recorded this episode. So you know we have a new season, so huzzah for orbital mechanics and for everyone that's listening south of the equator.

08:32
Happy winter, I guess, right. And we have this first full moon and we should all enjoy it. Go up and gaze at the moon lovingly, knowing that, hopefully, in two years, astronauts will be walking on its surface and uh, cavorting as they do, uh for uh, all of perpetuity in the future, so, so is this a full strawberry wolf worm farm animal bee feeding moon or something? We call this one the strawberry solstice moon of June 24th.

09:09 - Dave Giles (Guest)
You could add summer in there, if you want.

09:13 - Tariq Malik (Host)
It's funny because my daughter's old elementary school, which is a block from our house, has a strawberry festival every year around this time. We just had it a week or two ago. It's all very timely.

09:25 - Rod Pyle (Host)
That was newsworthy in some way.

09:27 - Tariq Malik (Host)
Because this is Strawberry Moon right.

09:30 - Emily Carney (Guest)
This is when they're in season.

09:31 - Tariq Malik (Host)
Go get your strawberries and then look at the moon and then tell us how it looked. I want to know.

09:38 - Rod Pyle (Host)
All right. And finally, I wanted to add, as long as we're talking about headlines in the Futurist today, oh yeah.

09:47 - Tariq Malik (Host)
I saw it.

09:48 - Rod Pyle (Host)
It's not my favorite publication. They're a little clickbaity, but the title of the article was Tough Week. At least you're not stuck in space. End quote parentheses.

10:01 - Tariq Malik (Host)
And this Starliner was the first headline to come out there to say that the astronauts are stuck in space because they extended the mission. And then in the last three days, since they had that press conference earlier this week to announce the delay, several other publications have come out and said oh, and now they're stranded in space. Actually the Futurist said stranded in space. And they've all said stuck now. And the TLDR is that NASA said and Boeing in the press conference that if push came to shove and there was an emergency on the space station, sonny Williams and Butch Wilmore could get in that Starliner and just come home. So they're not stuck at all. Their mission is extended while they look at it. Stuck means your spacecraft doesn't work at all and they are not at that point at all. So I was glad that you called that out because it is irresponsible as a headline, I feel, and that's my soapbox for the week.

11:02 - Rod Pyle (Host)
No, they have a lot of irresponsible headlines and it's unfortunate because at first when I saw they weren't even on my radar until about a year ago, I thought it was Futurity, which isn't as goofball as Futurist, if I've got that right. Or is it Futurity? Maybe I've got it mixed up, but yeah, goofy headline, you get a lot of those. There's a lot of. You know are aliens living in your bathroom and that kind of stuff.

11:33 - Tariq Malik (Host)
Asteroid the size of 26 llamas.

11:37 - Rod Pyle (Host)
We'll pass Earth by five feet. All right, we'll be back in a moment with Dave Giles and Emily Carney. Stay with us. All right, we are joined by Emily Carney and Dave Giles of Space and Things, among many other pursuits. Thank you for coming today, and can one of you just lead off by telling us what your podcast is and sort of what your intended purpose was when you started it?

12:01 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Yes, certainly, it's the Space and Things podcast. So we have space and we have things. So predominantly we have space, but we try and find avenues to make it connect either art, popular culture, those kinds of things, and we've been doing it now 200 episodes. Next week, episode 200 comes out. We've never missed a week. It started during, during COVID, but we've been. We've not stopped for some reason, and it's been. It's been a lot of fun.

12:36 - Rod Pyle (Host)
And before we go to Emily, I just want to mention to everybody Dave is also a gifted musician who performs weekly, apparently, and will be performing immediately after this. And Dave, I was raised in a musical family. My father was a classical musician, my first wife was a classical musician, so I vibe with your life.

12:56 - Tariq Malik (Host)
But you're not a classical musician, Rod.

12:58 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Hey, hey, I played in high school. No, I'm not, I was pretty miserable.

13:03 - Tariq Malik (Host)
And Emily who. I will be asking the same question of I'm not, I was pretty miserable.

13:05 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Emily, who I will be asking the same question of, wears many hats. She started a huge group we'll be talking about later called Space Hipsters on Facebook and is a space historian and writer and journalist and we've had her featured in Ad Astra a number of times, magazine I edit, and you do sensational work, especially when you're talking about Jerry O'Neill. So congrats you? Yeah, I've never heard of him he's that tin cans and orbit guy yeah so, emily, uh, what was sort of your vision for space and things?

13:39 - Emily Carney (Guest)
well, um, I love the it's funny, I I love the and things aspect of space and things. For example, we're about to do our 200th. We've done our 200th episode and a lot of it focuses we have a pretty big guest for it but a lot of the episode focuses on space art, like art, you know, steam things, that, things that aren't usually associated with space. Most people when they think of spaceflight, they think of engineering, they think of scientists, and those are great things, obviously.

14:10
But in the new space economy, people are going to be involved in space that aren't necessarily engineers and scientists. You know you're going to have writers and artists and people who do those kinds of things. So we try to focus on the and things aspect as well of. We've talked to a number of guests who've done, you know, more entertainment type things, and we've talked to a lot of writers. We've talked to some artists as well, musicians even because, like I said, you know the way things are going now. A lot of people have a hand in it. It's not just, you know, one type of person like you know, an artist or I'm sorry an engineer or a scientist or anything like that. You don't have to be this brilliant engineer or scientist to necessarily have an involvement in spaceflight.

15:01 - Tariq Malik (Host)
And how did you both get involved in space? I know everyone has like a space bug story, like when they got bit by by something, and I assume that you you run the webcast because you love space, not because you hate it, and you're trying to bash it every week, uh. But but how, how did you get involved in that? When was your first exposure to, I guess, the final frontier?

15:20 - Dave Giles (Guest)
yeah, it's, it's very interesting.

15:22
I was born in 1985 and in the uk, so obviously there wasn't much space stuff going on every now and then, uh, there'd be a photo in the newspaper if something had happened, um, but it wasn't something that would get coverage on the tv not on the tv I was watching anyway, um.

15:40
But I remember as a kid I would have been five or six and we were on holiday in Portugal of all places. I don't know why that sticks in my brain, but we were in Portugal and my mother had a glass of rosé and or two, and she started passionately talking about the Kennedys and it was one of those things that just stuck out. She was so overwhelmed by what could have been if they had both lived. And also, within that conversation, she talked about the moon landing and where they were and how they experienced it, and it was just one of those memories which really grabbed me, and I don't know why, but it was just one of those memories which really grabbed me, and I don't know why, but it just did. And then, two years later, we're at Kennedy Space Center. Obviously it's named after a Kennedy, and you've got a Saturn V rocket there and there was a shuttle on the pad and I think, just all of those things combined for whatever reason it made me go.

16:42 - Rod Pyle (Host)
yes, and then Apollo 13 came out, two years later, and those things combined for whatever reason it made me go yes, and then apollo 13 came out two years later and that kind of sealed the deal really, didn't it, tom, you know?

16:53 - Tariq Malik (Host)
so maybe, tom hanks is the answer. He's been the answer for a lot of us. Oh, absolutely. How about you, emily? How about when was your first uh space, uh exposure, your first, the first time it hooked you?

17:02 - Emily Carney (Guest)
I honestly have to also credit my mother. I remember I was born in 1978, and I grew up in Florida, not very far from Kennedy. I was born in Florida and I grew up not really far from Kennedy Space Center, so I was very blessed to have sort of a first, you know, a first row seat to the early shuttle program. When I was very young my mom took me outside and she was like, hey, the shuttle's going up and I was like shuttle, you know, and yeah, it was STS-2. And yeah, I mean just, and I remember watching, I still remember this it's been, I was was very little and it's a very long time ago. It was jeez, almost 45 years ago, which is insane. But I remember looking in the sky and just seeing it curving up into space and I was like, oh my God, that's a spaceship and there are people on it. That's wild, you know. And from that point on I was just obsessed. I had to get every shuttle toy.

18:05
I I used to go to the library, what's kind of weird. Um, I don't know if it's weird, it's kind of. But a lot of the writers that I I checked out of the library back then were like British space writers like Phil Clark and Reginald Turner, people like that. So I was really familiar with um their work from an early age, which is weird. Uh, there weren't I hate saying this there weren't many women spaceflight writers at all back then. So I was mainly familiar with people like Phil Clark and Reginald Turner.

18:33
So I guess I have to thank them for becoming a spaceflight writer in a strange way, even though it's yeah, it's kind of weird that a girl in sort of a rural Florida city would be turned on to their work. You know, but they were that, but their books were in the libraries at the time and I still have. Years later I bought those books and now they're in my home, so they're still great references. So that's really how I got into. Space was just, you know, growing up, and I was lucky enough to go outside and be able to just watch this. And I still live in Florida and this isn't a brag, but I still can go outside and watch every launch, which is kind of at least every East Coast launch, which is kind of cool.

19:16 - Tariq Malik (Host)
Yeah, that's so funny. Both of you have mom stories and my mom just texted me today a photo of myself, my brother or my sister and my grandmother in front of the Kennedy Space Center Visitors Complex.

19:28 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Wait, is that you on the right side?

19:29 - Tariq Malik (Host)
Yeah, rod's looking at it. I shared it in our little chat. Look how skinny you are. I was 15 years old. 15 years old, and that was the first time I'd ever been to Florida, actually. And then, when I became a spaceflight, I was going every month. So, uh, so, mom, mom, mom's with her. She told me it was the best investment she ever made. Going to space camp, uh, uh, down there. So, um, rod, what do you? What's next for you? What's it? What's it to you, do you? Oh, no, you have a burning question about things I do.

20:01 - Rod Pyle (Host)
I do, uh, I. I was wondering if you guys could talk a little bit more about the and things aspect, because before we came on you were talking about how, uh, well, besides your affection for being able to expand the podcast, how that kind of makes you stand apart from most of the other space podcasts out there yeah.

20:19 - Dave Giles (Guest)
so I think I'll use this week's uh interview to kind of highlight that. So we had char Charlie Duke, apollo 16, moonwalker, and his granddaughter, sterling Crawford, who has just opened a new exhibition in South Carolina and she's done a beautiful portrait of her granddad, and there's a couple of other space artists included in this exhibition. So we got to talk to both of them with the idea of it being about space art and when you've got a moonwalk, when you're interviewing a moonwalker, people think you're going to ask what it was like on the moon, so on and so forth. But we wanted to do something slightly different with Charlie and give him an interview experience that perhaps he hadn't had.

21:02
So I was asking him when you were taking photos, did you ever consider that they would be pieces of art? Because you know, look what Andy Saunders has done with Apollo Remastered. I'm sure you two are both familiar with that. But that book he has photos in that book that he took that hang on the wall in many places have been turned into huge exhibition pieces. And I was trying to find out whether they were conscious of the fact that what they were doing was art or was it just matter of fact? And you'll have to listen to the interview to find out what he said. We've got to have a link to that.

21:39 - Rod Pyle (Host)
I asked Al Bean a similar question and before he talked about the art in a gushing fashion, he said well, it's just like the simulations, which is not the answer. It was like what was it like to be there and experience that and know that you'd be painting it? It was just like the simulations. Okay, next question, emily.

22:01 - Emily Carney (Guest)
About the and things aspect, um, about the and things aspect, another. Another thing that I think is cool is we like to delve into um stuff that's not necessarily discussed when it comes to some people's careers. I think another example of that we interviewed fred hayes a couple, I think a couple years back, and when we interviewed fred hayes it was we. Everybody knows he was in Apollo 13,. Right, everybody's. A lot of people have seen the movie with Tom Hanks and Bill Paxton and Kevin Bacon. You know most people are familiar with that story. So we were like man, we want to get, we'd like to get Fred Hayes on the show, but we don't want to just ask questions about Apollo 13 because, frankly, he's answered all of them. I mean, you know was, were you scared? You know he's answered most of them, um, so we were like let's talk to him about enterprise, uh, the space shuttle, because he was the first commander of enterprise.

22:56
Um, he was really instrumental in developing the entire space shuttle program and that's something that he hasn't talked about a lot until more recently. He's done a book and some interviews. That was not really something he discussed a lot. Just, it's something that I feel, and I think I can speak for Dave as well. You know, we were like man, this is kind of overlooked, you know.

23:19
So we did a whole episode about it and it was just incredible, like I think we uncover, you know, we uncovered some stuff that he hadn't really talked about before in an interview and to me that was amazing. That's the kind of stuff, like I said, I can't speak for other others, but as a historian, that's the stuff I'm obsessed with, like hearing stories that, wow, I have not heard this before. This is brand new to me. So I I hope that answers the question, but I think that's another part of our and things focus is that we're trying to go for things and we also. Another example another Apollo astronaut we interviewed was Rusty Schweikert, and we asked them a lot about, you know, things he did beyond Apollo nine that were maybe he hadn't discussed in detail before, and that was just fascinating. It was a fascinating discussion and and I think our listeners love those things too. So, yeah, I hope that answered the question, but I kind of look at that as part of and things.

24:19 - Rod Pyle (Host)
I think if I had Hayes on, I'd want to ask him about his time at Grumman working with those guys on that little fragile, delicate tissue paper spacecraft, you know, and uh their faith in them. All right. Well, we'll be back with tarik's next burning question. He has a burning condition and we'll be uh back in just one moment, stand by you.

24:38 - Tariq Malik (Host)
You said that you were going to keep my condition to yourself. Rod, I told you it wasn't my fault. Um, yeah, I I wanted to ask about some of the guests you touched about. On some of them you talked about Fred, uh, fred Hayes and and Rusty Schweikup. I'm curious who your favorite guests have. Uh that you've you've had the opportunity to speak with. Uh that that you know listeners can can look forward to going back and finding Is there a few standouts that were near and dear to your heart, dave, emily, or some surprising ones where you were like, well, we'll get this one for this week, but we'll just get through it, and then it ended up being a hidden gem.

25:21 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Yeah, I mean we've covered so many subjects. I mean we've covered so many subjects. The other part of the things is we try and think of around space. So we've had an episode devoted to Lego, to space modeling, autograph collecting, and our interview with Steve Zarelli, who's an autograph authenticator, was amazing. He had some great stories about Bill Anders, for example, having four different signatures that he used Stuff you don't expect just because he doesn't like Autograph Hunter, so he uses four different ones. It's things like that which I've really enjoyed hearing. We've spoken to a hell of a lot of astronaut children. That's an area we've really, really focused on sometimes because we've wanted to learn more about them.

26:15 - Tariq Malik (Host)
We should clarify that you mean like the children of astronauts, not like little baby astronauts.

26:20 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Not yet. Well, maybe in the future, maybe I'm trained to go to space. So we've had quite a lot of that not yet.

26:24 - Emily Carney (Guest)
Well, maybe in the future, maybe I'm trained to go to space.

26:26 - Dave Giles (Guest)
No, I just yeah. So so we we had, we've had, we've had quite a lot of that. We've done different things with that as well. So we really wanted to do a kind of myth buster episode on Scott Carpenter. So talking to Chris Stover Stover about that was was amazing. But then we had Rick Armstrong on to talk about the music he makes. So there's many, many aspects of this. But also within that you can say well, there's a famous tour of your dad playing piano Was music a big thing in the Armstrong house? And him dispelling some myths about oh well, that was because Time Magazine came around. I don't really remember him playing piano at home. So we've done plenty of things like that.

27:04
We have a lot of historians on as well, and perhaps our best, consistently best guest would be, in my opinion, is a fellow Brit called Stephen Walker, who wrote a wonderful book called Beyond. I don't know if either of you have read that. It was about the first flight, yuri Gagarin, and his level of research is amazing, but that man can tell a story. He could read me the phone book and I would find it interesting. Um, and we've had him back a few times cause his research was, was a lot more than Gagarin. So we did a Titov show with him. We also did an, and that was awful but amazing at the same time. So, yeah, we've covered a hell of a lot of ground and the historians often have the best stories. Emily, what are your thoughts on?

28:02 - Tariq Malik (Host)
that Don't ask about Leica, right yeah.

28:05 - Emily Carney (Guest)
Yeah, I really agree with a lot of what Dave said. I love the interviews we've done with the children of a lot of the astronauts, just because another standout is the shuttle, the children of shuttle astronauts like Bruce McCandless III and also Patrick Mullane, because the shuttle was so risky, I mean really, and it's just interesting to get their perspective of, okay, what is it like to watch this as a spectator, knowing your dad's on that, you know. So that was to me very interesting because it gives you another facet of the shuttle program that you may not have thought of. You know, just being somebody like me who's just a spectator with no real emotional ties, you know, to the to people on the shuttle. I have to agree totally a thousand percent with Dave on Stephen Walker.

29:03
I think the episode on the animals I had my best facial expression screenshots. There was some reveals on that that I screamed at. I mean, it was like Dave said, it was alternately fascinating, but some of it was awful. Then I was like, oh my God, you know, and yeah, and it was a lot of stuff that I honestly hadn't. I'm somebody, you know, I like to do a lot of research. I honestly had no idea about a lot of the stuff, and also he wrote Beyond, which is which also won the Space Hipsters Book Prize, and it's just a beautifully I'm trying to say this unbiased, but it's just an amazingly researched book.

29:41
There was stuff in there that I had honestly no idea about as far as the Soviet space program was involved, and that's something that a lot of Americans did not know about because for years they were sort of a you know. They'd send something up and hey, what are you guys doing over there? Nothing, it's called the Cosmos mission. Just don't worry about it. Ok, right, yeah, all right, awesome, and I mean you guys know that, you know, but a lot of younger people might not know that. But yeah, back in the day it was like, hey, what are y'all doing? Cosmos mission?

30:16 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Cosmos 1147.

30:19 - Emily Carney (Guest)
Yeah, Don't worry about it. We just sent something. You didn't know, yeah, you didn't know if it failed or what. You know. They, just, they, just yeah. So it's really for me, as a Westerner, it's really cool to you know, for I know we have tenuous political issues with that country, but it's cool to learn about their space program. So to me he's a and also he's an amazing storyteller as well. I mean, he's not just from a research standpoint, but just you're like, oh my God, this is amazing.

30:49 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Yeah, we have. We have had a lot of wonderful guests. We've tried to do some of the science stuff as well. Some of the we've had some of the chief scientists and some of the CEOs from, and CEOs of, various startup companies. We haven't done many of them in a while and I think partly is because I see a lot of people doing that.

31:10
A lot of other podcasts are covering that kind of thing and it's just trying to. And often we were doing them because I was getting emails from them saying, hey, here's a press release. And when you're doing a weekly podcast and someone delivers something good to your inbox, you're like, oh yeah, brilliant, that's perfect. Yeah, um, but yeah, it's trying to. How do we differentiate ourselves from from podcasts? I mean, you guys are probably much better qualified than I am to interview someone about how the Vulcan rocket works and so on and so forth. Every now and then we feel like we have to go into something like that, but I personally try and steer away a little bit from that, even though some of them, especially some of the scientists we've had on Emily, have been amazing. But yeah, that's another aspect of what we've done. And museum curators I love a museum curator as well. They've always got some great stories as well.

32:06 - Rod Pyle (Host)
And they're always very passionate people. I want to mention. You were talking about the children of astronauts when I was writing my Apollo book in 2019. Well, it came out 2019, but there was a pass 11 that came out 2019. So I thought how could it be different? I know I'll talk to the children of astronauts, so same instinct you had and I've told the story on here before, but it bears retelling. I was talking to Andy Aldrin, who's a delight, and he surprised me because he said well, do you mind if I tell you something I've never told anybody? It's like well, yeah, I'm a writer. Of course I don't.

32:36
He says when my dad was on the moon. I wasn't worried because I grew up around the engineers that worked on the LM and helped build the LM and I trusted NASA. I knew they were the best of the best and all that, all I could think about. And he was my age then, so we were both about 11 years old when Apollo 11 landed, just to put it in perspective. And he said I was watching my dad bouncing around on the moon and I knew exactly what he was doing. He wasn't playing, he was looking at the soil dynamics when his feet hit the ground, how little pebbles would arc away in the lower gravity and so forth. He said the primary fear I had there was a cable between the lunar module and the antenna that was transmitting back to Earth. There was a cable between the lunar module and the antenna that was transmitting back to Earth. And he said I was terrified that my dad would trip over that, ruin the TV signal and it would embarrass me in front of my friends at school and.

33:21
I thought, boy, teenage boys just don't change much, do they? All right, we're going to go to a quick break and then we'll be right back, so don't go anywhere.

33:35 - Tariq Malik (Host)
Well, I have another guest question and I'm sorry to keep hammering. I'm curious if there's a dream guest Dave, Emily, that you haven't been able to get on the show that you would really want to, and who that might be, you know, and it could be like anybody like, it could be like someone who's not with us anymore, or someone that might be like really out of touch. So Rod and I were having a discussion about this I think a few days ago, and it was really hard to pick and I was just curious.

33:58 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Yeah, I want to bring Neil Armstrong in with a seance, but that doesn't work, complicated on radio.

34:05 - Dave Giles (Guest)
I got a good answer to this. Yeah, I would like to do a show with and this ties into what we spoke about earlier with my introduction with Tom hanks and jim lovell. Oh my god, yeah, yeah, uh, kind of what was it like learning how to be jim? Uh, jim, did you try and throw him off somehow? Uh, did you did you try and tell him a little porky, or anything like that? I just think it would be an interesting discussion. Clearly, it's not going to happen, but I think that would be a lot of fun. Well, have you asked? Not yet. I'll be messaging Tom next week about something else, so maybe I'll bring it up.

34:51 - Rod Pyle (Host)
That's a hard one, as one does apparently.

34:54 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's in the uk a lot recently, so maybe that's a great question.

35:02 - Emily Carney (Guest)
Uh, I agree with dave. That would be freaking amazing if we could pull it off. Um, my dream guest dave's gonna roll his. You all are gonna roll your eyes because you're like, oh, come on guess, come on guess. Yeah, go right ahead, go guess, put money on it. Yep, it would be Jerry O'Neill. He's still alive. It would be Jerry O'Neill. Well, I've got him right here, Jerry come on in.

35:27
It would be Gerard K O'Neill, just because, yeah, I'm a little obsessed, so yeah, I would want to. I've interviewed some of the people he's worked with and I've interviewed some of his family and that's equally fascinating. But you know, just to interview him and sort of his insights and why he feels that off earth habitation is a must type of thing, I think that would be fascinating. But I'll shut up now, I'm proselytizing.

35:57 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Actually, I'm glad you brought it up because I think it's time for us to discuss another Jerry O'Neill article.

35:59 - Emily Carney (Guest)
If you're interested. Yes, I would love to. I'm open to that, sorry.

36:03 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Very cool to kind of look at it from a 20, sorry, I'm doing work on on online here. It'd be interesting to look at it from kind of a 20th, 21st century perspective and how our views might've shifted and where he was right. Yeah, you know cause yeah.

36:19 - Emily Carney (Guest)
I think that was. Uh, absolutely, yeah, I'm game.

36:23 - Tariq Malik (Host)
And why we don't have those stations yet, right.

36:27 - Rod Pyle (Host)
So that's, that's political and willpower oriented, so um it's like oh my goodness. So of course we get thousands of fan mails a week. Well, OK, a couple. But how's your audience reaction been? Because you have this great built in audience from, from hipsters, which we'll talk about a little bit, but I assume you've had a pretty enthusiastic reception.

36:49 - Dave Giles (Guest)
I mean, do you want to take this or do you want me to?

36:52 - Emily Carney (Guest)
I can take this. Emily, do you want to take this or do you want me to? I can take this. We've had, like you said, we sort of have a built-in audience just because of my affiliation with Space Hipsters, but I think we have a pretty good. We do have a Patreon, which is really cool, and we do have a lot of, I think, positive input from the audience. Most recently recently we did a a three-part uh interview series that Rick Houston did with Alan Bean and we ran those interviews, I think for the first time ever, and we got a lot of cool insight or input from people and how much they enjoyed it, how much they loved hearing from Al Bean again because, um, it's hard to believe he's been gone, I think for six years now, which is wild, Um, but yeah's been gone I think for six years now, which is wild. But yeah, I think you know, we have a great rapport with the audience and what's also been cool is we've attracted people who are kind of outside space hipsters as well. I've gotten I think Dave can also speak to this, We've gotten messages if I could talk messages from people, you know, sort of out of the blue, like hey, you know, I love this.

38:00
You know, I love how you guys I think we had her on this show, but this was still really cool. We had Chris Marshall from For All Mankind on the show and she plays Danielle Poole on the show and, um, she plays danielle pool if you watch it, the the awesome astronaut and she left a comment. Um, she left a review for us and yeah, and she and it showed to me that, she showed us that she listened to the show and that was really cool. So just things like that. So, um, we're really blessed. I think we have a cool built-in audience. We we get a lot of good feedback, I think weekly.

38:36 - Rod Pyle (Host)
They send you big checks in the mail. Some of them.

38:40 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Yeah.

38:41 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Well.

38:44 - Dave Giles (Guest)
I have had a couple of gifts sent to me. Uh, that didn't have, um, any name inside, so I don't know who sent them to me. So they weren't just it's a white powder or anything. Didn't have any name inside, so I don't know who sent them to me, so they weren't just back into white powder or anything like that. Huh no, have you seen those Eastern press versions of the astronaut biographies, the really fancy leather bound, signed limited edition versions that are dead expensive? I got a whole set of them sent to me and I still don't know who sent them.

39:20 - Rod Pyle (Host)
And I feel so, so out of the loop here. I mean, tarik gets free stuff all the time because he's an important journalist and I'm lucky if I get the request to renew my dog's identity. That's pretty cool. Yeah, that's great.

39:27 - Emily Carney (Guest)
We've had a few like um out of the blue, I mean, and this isn't all I don't want to make it like we get this all the time, but we've had a few like out of the blue, I mean, and this isn't all. I don't want to make it like we get this all the time, but we've had a few like sort of Patreon donations from, like you know, people who we were like, what this person donated us, you know, because they want to see the show go on.

39:58 - Dave Giles (Guest)
And so that's always really kind of like wow, that's really an honor that you know people of this caliber care about the show so much and what we do. Yeah, it's quite something, quite overwhelming. Some of the people that have contributed, yes, wow, I had no idea that person even was aware of what we did, let alone wants to contribute. Maybe we should have asked them to be on the podcast. Maybe this is a hint Whoops, but yeah, it's. Yeah. The Patreon thing is interesting. You know, we don't have any organization behind us. It's an independent podcast. So to be funded by your audience month on month again, is it? I think it's very much vindication that we're doing something right, and it's great to be able to include some of their questions. When we interview various people, something sometimes come up with things that we just would not have thought of, so that's really great as well.

40:55 - Rod Pyle (Host)
All right, well, we're going to be back with. I can see Tarek's queuing up, but we have one more ad break to go to, so stand by.

41:02 - Tariq Malik (Host)
I wanted to ask a question that I don't know if I have, I know the answer to for myself and it's come up a couple of times. But you mentioned Dave, emily, about you know the rise of commercial space flight, of these private missions, and that you've had some folks from the private missions on um, on, on, on on the show. But I'm curious if you would want to go on one of those flights you know, such as they are now. You know, uh, a hitch and a ride on, I guess, with, with the new Virgin Galactic Delta class they haven't built it yet but they're going to or a dragon, which seems the most you know settled, Is that right? Or, I guess, blue Origin, with New Shepard as well. I mean, is that something that you've ever thought about, or is it still kind of like you're not interested in flying in space, just kind of watching the whole thing play out at all?

41:57 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Swamia, yeah, yeah, in a heartbeat. What about the waivers? Yeah, yeah, we had a CEO of Think Orbital, I don't know if you're aware of them. They're trying to build some big structures in space, including some commercial space stations, and they promised us that we can go when they've done it. So I'm going to hold him to that, because he said it in an interview. I've got it recorded.

42:25 - Rod Pyle (Host)
So, yeah, I'm going to hold him to that. I'd be happy just to do that space camp. How about you?

42:30 - Emily Carney (Guest)
Emily, I'd do it. Would my family be thrilled about it? No, but I would totally do it. Yeah, like I said, if we could get a ride on Starship or something. Due to the Think Orbital thing Seriously though, I would take it my DNA is in space through Celestis right now, so there is part of me, I guess, in space. But if I had a chance to actually go see space and see the Earth and experience, I guess, the overview effect and stuff, I think that would be amazing. I would just love. I don't care where I go, I just would like to see the Earth from space. That would be awesome.

43:09 - Tariq Malik (Host)
So you mean literally your DNA is in space, not like, oh, it's in my blood, it's like no, you actually put it on a rocket.

43:16 - Emily Carney (Guest)
Yeah, it's currently in deep space somewhere. I think the last time I looked it was flying by Earth, which is kind of a weird thing to say, because I showed it to my family and I'm like, yeah, here's where I'm at and they're like what?

43:31 - Tariq Malik (Host)
In millions of years, when the aliens clone another Emily to understand what space was, we'll know how it got there.

43:38 - Rod Pyle (Host)
I feel intimidated. Now. My DNA is only on this coffee cup.

43:44 - Emily Carney (Guest)
I don't know, though, it may not be a good thing. My DNA is in space. Like Tariq said, it may be. You know, my alien clone might come back in a few thousand years, and I don't know if anybody's going to be thrilled about this. We'll see.

43:56 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Well, I guess the question would be is your alien clone going to come back and say, hey, I'm glad to see Space Hipsters has grown to 10 million? Or is it going to come back and say, take me to your leader? Or is it going to come back and say, all right, turn over all the nuclear codes to me, I'm taking charge.

44:20
Which you know given the past, we should ask about that. Rod Space hipsters. Let's talk about space hipsters. So this is a group on Facebook that you started in 2011, as I recall, kind of on a whim, and you started with a handful of your friends and husband perhaps, and now, alas, I checked you were, I think, up to 62,000.

44:39 - Emily Carney (Guest)
Yes, you are correct. Yeah, I started it in 2011 and it really was on a whim. I started it. It was just as the shuttle program was beginning to to wind down and I was like, man, you know, it'd be cool to have a group about, you know, just space flight. But at the time, you know it, we had four people in it, including my husband.

44:59
I did not think it would catch on and at the beginning I just kind of dumped memes in there that I thought were funny. They probably weren't that funny, but yeah, and I found within a few months, we grew to like about 100 members, you know of people who are just space enthusiasts and stuff and I was like, ok, that's cool, you know, 100 people is good. Right, it's going to stop there. And within a couple of years or so, it just started to blow up. Like we started to get, you know, our first thousand members. Then it went to five thousand and ten. It's just grown exponentially from there. Now it's sixty, two thousand.

45:35
I think that was the last time I looked at the count in the group and I think the attraction to the group is, you know, we do talk about the past, present and future of spaceflight. I believe, I believe and I'm saying this as the founder of the group and I have oversight of the moderating team with the best moderators on the planet. They really keep everything in line and they keep the group respectful and open. We don't allow any hate language in our group. We try to be open to everybody who comes in the group. We have really we're a big tent group because we try to welcome everybody from all interests in it. When we try to honor the past, present and future, that means you know, we love the old, we love the cool stuff, the old stuff from back in the day, the Apollo. Gemini, gemini, gemini. Thank you.

46:26 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Gemini.

46:29 - Emily Carney (Guest)
This is an argument.

46:30 - Tariq Malik (Host)
This is an argument we've been having for a while.

46:33 - Emily Carney (Guest)
We love all that stuff, but we also love the stuff that's happening now, and we also love the stuff that's happening now. So, and we also love the uncrewed programs. You know you've got voyagers, uh all the stuff that they're doing at jpl and things like that. So we try to keep it open to all that. I think that's really the key behind our success. Um, the group also has we have a yearly book prize as well and currently there is judging going on uh for the this year's book prize. And also we've done quite a bit of charity work.

47:03
Uh, mainly we've donated. We've had charity drives to uh donate to a group called taking up space, which sends native american young women to space camp. We're also currently in the process of trying to establish a nonprofit. I believe it's a 5013C. We'd like to have maybe our own scholarships to help students and things like that, but we're in the process of doing that at the moment. Establishing a nonprofit is kind of a I wouldn't say a lengthy process, but to do it there's quite a bit of paperwork to do.

47:40 - Rod Pyle (Host)
It's tortuous yeah.

47:42 - Emily Carney (Guest)
Yeah, it's quite a bit of paperwork and you really have to justify having a nonprofit as well. The state isn't going to just issue that to you. So we're in the process of doing that at the moment and all those things. So, yeah, it's grown far beyond my wildest dreams and I'm very proud of the group and I think we have a pretty good future ahead of us. So I'm really proud of what we're doing right now.

48:07 - Rod Pyle (Host)
So, before you establish a nonprofit, I would just like to suggest that you consider that $1 per month per member that you can get from Space Hipsters as a nonprofit or a for-profit. And I'll ask Dave, do you have a preference?

48:23 - Dave Giles (Guest)
No.

48:24 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Okay, then I'll ask my next question Kaboom, did you find Emily through Space Hipsters, dave?

48:32 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was exactly how I found her. Do you know what? If they want to take a profit out of it, let them take a profit out of it. They do a great job in there. It's a wonderful place for people to learn. I'm just a member of it, so I think I can say these things. But what they do, the way they try and focus it on helping young people, is amazing and I think that's got to be applauded. So I can't imagine they would ever take profit. But no, we're not interested. But they could let them because they're doing something. The job of moderating a group with that many people is not fun.

49:10
I mean it can't be fun. I couldn't think of anything worse. I'd like to do with my time ruin deniers, exactly, and the rest? Yeah.

49:21 - Emily Carney (Guest)
Yeah, sorry to talk over your day, but we do deal with certain things that we try to keep from the rest of the group. We deal with I won't get into it, but we do deal with people who are the moon landing denier people. We deal with a lot of weird stuff so we try to keep that away from everybody. We don't even want people to see it. We want people to have a good time in the group. We don't want people to deal with it. We're not interested, at least at the moment, in doing anything for profit. We do have merchandise and stuff, but typically we don't get it. If I told you how much we made from our Space Hipster shirts and pens, y'all would faint. We don't make anything from those. Most of that goes to the company that manufactures them. I may be I'm get probably less than a hundred dollars a year from that and that goes back into, you know, basically the group. So yeah, we're not profiting from any of that stuff.

50:17 - Rod Pyle (Host)
A hundred bucks a year from a podcast Isn't a terrible thing. Not speaking for us, of course, but you know.

50:23 - Tariq Malik (Host)
Tarek, yeah, you know, I was really curious.

50:31
The idea of space exploration.

50:33
I mean, we've been fans.

50:34
I think we've pretty much established that we've been lifelong fans, all of us think we've pretty much established that we've been like lifelong fans, all of us um, but it seems like there is a uh like a new level of awareness through like, like space hipsters on facebook, through social media in particular, um, that has created not just one kind of fan club for space or space exploration or even just for nasa, whatever, but for, like, all the different types of uh, of varieties, uh, that that people could get into, if you, if you like space photography, if you like, et cetera.

51:05
And I'm just curious if you see a need, an ongoing need for for, like the fan club for space, or has it reached a level of public awareness that it is as baked in to the social consciousness now because of just that always connected status? You know you can get live pictures from astronauts on the space station, you know that kind of thing. Has it reached that level where it's just like another part of daily life for the public, like tracking the latest sports or the weather or something like that? Do we still need a space fan club going forward, I guess is the question there.

51:49 - Emily Carney (Guest)
That's a really great question. I think we I'm a little biased because I founded probably one of the biggest ones out there but I think we do need a space fan club. I think you know there is a place for a space hipsters, mainly because you know it's surprising, but a lot of people in the mainstream are still not really interested or well-versed in space flight. Like, for example, whenever a SpaceX rocket goes up, I know people and I'm not dissing them in any way because this isn't a failure on their part but they'll be like oh yeah, the space shuttle went up today and I'm like no, the space shuttle has been retired for years and they don't know the difference between spacecraft. And again, that's not really an attack on them because why would they know that that's not their, they're not, they don't, that's not their in area of interest. But still, you know it'd be nice if they had a little bit of education on it.

52:44
You know, um, not as many people probably pay attention as I would think you know, um. So I do think there's a place for a niche, I guess a space flight group or something like that. I, you know, just for sort of basic education. And you know, yeah, like for basic education, I think, because, like I said, there are people who still think the space shuttle is going up and that's not a diss. That's more of less, you know. I don't think you know the news pays as much attention on it, or maybe they don't pay enough attention to the news or whatever. So I hope that made sense as an answer Go ahead Dave.

53:22 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Yeah. So I think there's also something to do with finding a place to belong. So, although I don't know, I'm not at school. I don't have anyone who's at school right now in my circle. I don't have anyone with kids who are at high school or anything like that. So maybe it's different now, but I was the only kid into space and if I were to start talking about it I would get like oh, shut up, stop it, what are you doing? Oh, he's off, he's off. He's talking about space again Until fairly recently.

53:58
And one of the things that changed was that I found space hipsters and I found a group of people where I could just nerd out about stuff with. And, having then met up with these people at either organized events or just randomly, when I've been at a museum I've said, oh, if anyone's in town, let me know. If anyone's near here, I'm going to see the museum at this time If anyone wants to hang out. No doubt. And that is an amazing thing. When you've had 25 to 30 years of being into something and it having to be your own little secret kind of thing because no one cares, and then you find a group of people that actually care about it. That's amazing, that's so I know life affirming to hang out with those kind of people. So I think there is still a need for space fan clubs for that. That for that reason, because there's enough of us who, when we were kid, were picked on for being the nerdy kid.

55:00 - Rod Pyle (Host)
You know, that is a great point, and I just got back from the National Space Society's annual conference, the ISDC, and I was reminded how much of a tribe that is, because I could sit and talk to these people about virtually anything space and by golly their eyes didn't glaze over and they didn't pretend they were having a stroke just to get away from me. You know they'd sit there and listen and go, oh, but here's what I think I mean. This is fantastic. Sorry, tarek, you had a point, I jumped in.

55:26 - Tariq Malik (Host)
No, I think. I think it's just. It's just interesting. You know it's been over 20 years I've been doing this professionally and I remember in university I did a whole thing about the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, like how the PR department works there, and we had to go off-site and make an official request for physical materials and it was great. We got all sorts of great posters and stuff like that, but you had to write to NASA to say you were going to come. Please can I grab some of this stuff? And then even at the start, having to arrange ahead of time to get Betamax tapes so we could have any video at all of the space shuttle missions was really difficult, and now it's like it comes from the ether and we can just all access it as easily. It seems like it's a bit cooler to be that nerd Dave than it might have been when we were kids.

56:14 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Quite possibly, Quite possibly. But there's still plenty of people my age in my circle that don't care. So maybe the kids are caring, but there's less people who care, who are my age to have a place where, when something happens and I see it on Twitter on my Twitter feed, x feed, whatever I see it on my threads feed and I want to go and talk about it, I know where to go, where I then don't have to bug the people that are just like here he goes again.

56:41 - Rod Pyle (Host)
That's a really good point.

56:42 - Emily Carney (Guest)
I have one thing to bring up. I don't want to interrupt you, dave, I'm done. I'm not talking over you, am I? You know, space Hipsters is one of the only places I can talk about Skylab, and people don't roll their eyes into the back of their skull I just rolled my eyes you've been talking specifically about the mutiny a lot.

57:05
That tells you a lot no, I talk about sky lab like I could talk, like I literally will bore the crap out of my husband because I'll bring up some minutiae from sky lab, like isn't that cool? And my husband's like what? Like he's like, I literally don not listen to that. I love my husband. He's not into that, you know he's not into that. He's into baseball, which is fine. I have no problem with that. But yeah, it's nice to be able to go to a group and talk about, geek out over stuff like that, and it's not like you know God, what a freak. Why is she into that? You know it's really cool.

57:40 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Yeah, I have to agree. My partner, you know I write a book and I say, you know, read this one. That's okay. So, I have to go to my tribe. So before we go, david, I have to ask, because you're a musician and, as I said, I have close association with many musicians. Best space song oh oh oh. We got Space Oddity, starman, Rocketman, fly Me to the Moon and a bunch of newer ones.

58:10 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Those are just the ones I could pick out. For you know, gen X, I see I never know where to go. Well, maybe yours. Well, yeah, yeah, maybe mine. The geeky side of me says something like go by public broadcast limited, they're great, or public broadcast, whatever they were called. They've done this thing where they've used all the mission control audio from the Apollo eras and made a song out of it and that kind of speaks to me as a geek and just speaks to me as a geek. Yeah, I love that there's so many great songs that mention astronauts or space. Life on Mars is probably my favorite. If I had to pick one, I'd probably go with Life on Mars, but it's not really about space, is it? It's just Life on Mars, but it gets lumped into that discussion. It's just this is a life on Mars, but I get, it gets lumped in to into that discussion. Well, any any other thoughts from the from from the group.

59:04 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Well, john, who's on the board? John Slonina. Jammer B says deep purple space truck and made in Japan, version which you know because I don't listen to that stuff. I have no idea. It's not Brahms.

59:20 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Star Trek inwards is probably. It's got to be up there, though, isn't it?

59:25 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Oh, that was so sacrilegious when I first heard it.

59:30 - Tariq Malik (Host)
It's on the starboard, bow right.

59:32 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Starboard bow, not as we know it. So, dave, where are you off to and what are you performing tonight?

59:39 - Dave Giles (Guest)
So this is my rent paying gigs, uh, which which is just um playing other people's songs just out in the Cotswolds. But yeah, the, the, the real passion is doing my own stuff, uh, and soon there is an album coming out. I don the geeky side of and try to to bring my my love of space. I have written a song previously about gene cernan called the last man on the moon. I've got a whole whole album called uh, called onward, which is was recorded at abbey road in studio two where the beat was recorded, all their stuff and uh it every. Every song is about a different mission in the apollo program, but I've done it without using the word space, astronaut, moon, any of those things. So if you know, you know. If you don't, it should be fairly accessible. Which was a lovely writing challenge.

01:00:31 - Rod Pyle (Host)
So I can see a song from you called something like Orange on the Moon and you could do like a cut-up remix, beatbox, whatever it's called, using the lyrics from um cernan and uh schmidt on apollo 17, saying it's orange, that's orange soil. Yeah, look at it. No, I did it with my foot.

01:00:50 - Dave Giles (Guest)
It's orange yeah, that's the kind of stuff I love.

01:00:53 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Yeah, absolutely yeah emily, you got a favorite.

01:00:58 - Emily Carney (Guest)
Oh gosh, well, I like I'm a little biased, I got. I like Dave's song about the last man on the moon. That sounds beautiful. Oh geez, there's also. Okay, this is really. I would have to go on YouTube to find the name of the band. But there's some like Belgian jazz group in the 70s who did a song called Skylab. I'm a little biased. There's some like Belgian jazz group in the 70s who did a song called Skylab. I'm a little biased.

01:01:27 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Yeah, it's some. I forgot what the name of the group is, but it was a Belgian, I think.

01:01:29 - Dave Giles (Guest)
The name of the group was called Mutiny in Space. Emily, Sorry.

01:01:37 - Emily Carney (Guest)
I walked into it, it's okay. Yeah, and anything by David Bowie Moon Age Daydream is also one of my top space songs of all time.

01:01:48 - Rod Pyle (Host)
I think I'd have to say the most memorable space song for me was watching William Shatner sitting with a cigarette, speaking.

01:01:56 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Rocket man yeah, I was going to mention that one. That's so good.

01:02:01 - Rod Pyle (Host)
And in the inimitable Shatner much delayed verbiage style yeah, that's great.

01:02:08 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Another honorable mention, I think, to Walking on the Moon by the Police. It's a great song, and the fact that they made that video, uh, on the saturn 5 rocket at kennedy space center where stewart copeland's basically playing the drums on the on one of the engines, it's amazing.

01:02:25 - Rod Pyle (Host)
it's just like yeah it was amazing until the moment when you got your stomach clenched up saying get your drumsticks off. Well, listen everybody. I want to thank you for joining us today. This has been a thrill. This is long overdue. We are so. Thank you for joining us today. This has been a thrill. This is long overdue. We are so glad you're coming to chat with us and, emily, let's pick up on that article. I can't wait.

01:02:45 - Emily Carney (Guest)
Absolutely Sounds great.

01:02:46 - Rod Pyle (Host)
This has been episode one 16 of this week in space, the spreading the good word edition. Don't forget to check out spacecom, the websites and the name, and the national space society, of course, to satisfy your spaceflight cravings.

01:03:05 - Emily Carney (Guest)
For both of you. Where is?

01:03:06 - Rod Pyle (Host)
the best place for us to follow your misadventures For me.

01:03:08 - Emily Carney (Guest)
Space hipsters, yeah, space hipsters. Yeah, I do have a regular. I do have an author's page on Facebook. I'm on pretty much every social media you can find. Probably Space Hipsters is the best place to find me. I'm Emily Carney. I believe it's facebookcom slash group slash Space Hipsters cool.

01:03:28 - Dave Giles (Guest)
Yeah, I would just say head over to spaceandthingspodcastcom, and on there you'll find social links for the podcast and for Emily and myself personally as well. So pick the social media of your choice, be it LinkedIn, bebo, uh, my space.

01:03:46 - Rod Pyle (Host)
Is there a virtual hat on anywhere we can drop dollars in besides Patreon, or is that the best place to?

01:03:50 - Dave Giles (Guest)
get it Also on our website. There is a. There is a direct donation button on there as well.

01:03:56 - Tariq Malik (Host)
Okay, tarek you can find me at spacecom, as always, on the Twitter or X at Tarek J Malik. Actually, this month is our one-year anniversary at SpaceTron Plays on YouTube, which is really exciting, so if you like video games, you can find me there, and I have to apologize to all you listeners out there. I will be on vacation the next couple of weeks, so Rod is in the captain's chair for good, and I will see you all from the other side of the world when I get back.

01:04:24 - Rod Pyle (Host)
What's that sound? I hear cheering in the distance.

01:04:27 - Dave Giles (Guest)
I don't know, just kidding, I'm going to miss everyone.

01:04:31 - Rod Pyle (Host)
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