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Tech News Weekly 243

Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up on tech news weekly. It's us, not just Mikah, but I'm back. So I'm happy to be here along with Mikah. We talk first with Dan Ackerman from CNET. He gives us the low down on the new MacBook Air, M two. He has a review, talks all about it. Then we are joined by Richard Lawler from the verge. Netflix. You may have heard getting ads at some point, and now we know Microsoft is the partner for those ads. Richard talks all about that. Also how TikTok is emerging as a headache for YouTube. Yes, we saw that coming, but also Google search, apparently. So, and finally we picked apart the Uber files and let's just say we weren't that surprised by what we've read and found out all that and more coming up next on tech news, weekly

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Mikah Sargent (00:02:00):
Hello, and welcome to tech news weekly. The show wherever week we talk to and about the people making and breaking the tech news. And I can actually say we This week. We finally, we mean it. <laugh> we again? Yes, I am one of your hosts, Mikah Sergeant. And

Jason Howell (00:02:15):
I'm the other guy, Jason Howell. Thank you so much, Mikah for doing not one but two weeks. Without me, I know it yeah, I mean, and last week it was four interviews. I know what that's like, it's, that's a lot of, of, of juggling. So I appreciate it a

Mikah Sargent (00:02:28):
Lot, a lot of chatter, but it was, it was a good time, but I am glad that you are back and so excited, you know, that your, your VK went well and all of that jazz. So welcome back.

Jason Howell (00:02:38):
Thank, thank you. Feels good to be back. All right, so let's get started and we'll actually Mikah. We'll probably be talking about a topic that's close, you know, near and dear to your heart, the MacBook Air. This is the latest MacBook Air with the M two chip inside. And sure enough, today apparently reviews, embargoes have lifted because a bunch of reviews hit the web. And there are a lot of improvements that have hit the MacBook Air M two model. So we thought that Dan Ackerman from CNET could join us to talk all about those changes. In fact, Dan, you called this the biggest change to the airlines since it's launch not, not the airlines of course like planes, but the MacBook Air line. So I'm excited to hear your take welcome to the show, Dan.

Dan Ackerman (00:03:21):
Thanks. It's good to be here. I also have a lot of thoughts about airlines. We can certainly talk about that too.

Jason Howell (00:03:26):
Sure. Maybe we'll get to that later, but for right now, we're gonna stick with apple before getting into the review content itself. Talk a little bit about like what has made the MacBook Air so unique, this family of devices in Apple's catalog of premium laptops.

Dan Ackerman (00:03:45):
Yeah, it's interesting. A couple years ago, I think it was 2018. I went back cuz it was the 10th anniversary of the MacBook Air. And I said, I gotta remind myself where this line came from, where it started out. So I went back to the very first review of the first MacBook Air from 2008. I said, oh, let me read this review. Who wrote this review? It turns out it was me. I had no memory of

Jason Howell (00:04:05):
It. You love that

Dan Ackerman (00:04:06):
Whatsoever. That's how long I've been doing this. Yeah. and that back book air, even though we all loved kind of the slim shape and the idea behind it, it was $1,800. It had one USB port on it. And if you wanted a th state hard drive instead of a platter drive, that was an extra thousand dollars on top of that. Now like that the MacBook Air would not be something we'd hear about today, but after a few years they said, you know what? Let's just make this a thousand dollars laptop, 9 99. Great. For college students, you know, people just starting out creative people who just wanna sit at a coffee shop and write a novel or just general, you need a general knock around computer thousand bucks. You are sorted. You don't have to think about it. And that's why I think the MacBook Air has been so popular over the years and why I call it for most generations, not every, but most I call it the most universally useful computer you can buy

Jason Howell (00:04:55):
Right on. And I mean, incredibly popular. I mean, I feel like you see MacBook Airs everywhere and that's probably because of kind of the, the, the lower price category. I kind of always like steered away personally from the MacBook Air. I'm like, oh, I want performance and everything. But now we're kind of getting into this weird territory where apples, you know, putting its best chips in all of its laptops. So, you know, the differences between them are a lot more narrowed. Let's say, tell, tell us a little bit about the configuration that you tested specifically.

Dan Ackerman (00:05:27):
Now. It's interesting because this moves from Apple's M one chip, which was its first post Intel chip to the M two and you go, oh, so M one is the first version M two much better. It's actually a little more complicated than that in the middle. They had the M one pro and the M one max and the M one ultra that went in different MacBook pro and Mac studio systems. So the M two is actually only the second one in the lineup. It's the M one is down here, M two and then M one pro max ultra. So the naming stuff is a little confusing as it often is. That said M two is a little bit faster than M one M one was a good deal faster than the Intel version of placed. And all of them are fine for everyday computer stuff.

Dan Ackerman (00:06:07):
I do Photoshop stuff on M one S and M two S I've done 4k video editing on them generally, unless you're going like super high end or you're a real creative professional, then you should look at something with an M one pro or max chip, which will take you into the MacBook pro line. But I've said, I mean, going back many years that people often, maybe not you Jason, because you're a high end professional, but a lot of people literal, they buy too much computer. You don't need it. What do you surf in the web email? Yeah. Even Photoshop is going web based now. And I tried out the, the, the web based Photoshop. It's great.

Jason Howell (00:06:38):
Yeah. Yeah, no. And thank you for colleague being a professional. I do appreciate it. Your colleague, Lori grin compared the M two to the previous M one series, kind of what you're talking about based on what Lori spelled out in her piece, kind of comparing the performance here. I think, I think what I, what I'm interested here in is kind of touches on, on what she wrote and also what you're talking about here, which is that, you know, in the past, I feel like the MacBook Air hasn't been maybe the right choice for someone who's even doing basic kind of media editing and stuff like that. Like yeah, it could work, but you'd really be better served kind of bumping up. But now with these new chips and the performance increases that we're seeing in the M one and the M two chips, and specifically here, obviously the M two, like, do you think this is the solution for, for, you know, like your basic YouTuber, something like that.

Dan Ackerman (00:07:27):
And these numbers you're seeing are all based on the labs testing we're doing at the CNET labs, cuz we still do all our own benchmarking super important to us. And yeah, what we've established is if you're looking at 13 inch laptops, the MacBook Air and the MacBook pro the 13 inch pro the difference Delta between them in terms of performance is very, very small. They actually both use the M two chip now. And if you're going beyond a certain number of streams of, you know, 4k or AK video, sure. Then you wanna trade up and the Delta between the M two and the M one even pro the next step up is pretty big, but so is the price difference. For 1200 bucks you can do really well with this. And I would be very happy doing YouTube, doing basic video editing, doing even high end photo editing. And another thing that you get now that kind of held the air back before is you get a, you get the 500 knit, the brighter screen that the pros have had. So now you have a better screen as well. And this one is even a little bit bigger. It's one of those little secret upgrades. It's not 13.3 inches. It's 13.6. It's not the biggest difference in the world, but to people like you and me who maybe have to turn the Google docs up to 125% these days, you know, every little bit helps.

Jason Howell (00:08:36):
Hey, what are you saying? What are you saying? I'm getting older. That's true. I am

Dan Ackerman (00:08:39):
Getting, I'm saying, this is my I think I'm about the trifocals now. That's what I'm

Jason Howell (00:08:42):
Saying. <Laugh> right. Otherwise design the design language has kind of changed is this is no longer wedge. Is that right?

Dan Ackerman (00:08:52):
This is the first time since that 2008 launch that it's not a wedge, it's the same kind of flat. I call it a very constructivist look, you know, free of any kind of ornamentation that the 14 and 16 inch pros have and the, and the Mac studio also here. Look, if I lift it up like this, see, look at that totally flat. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> if you put it back to back with a, with a wedge MacBook Air, it's a little bit narrow we're at the back. And the footprint is it's really 99.9% the same, but it feels thinner and it's a hair lighter, but I think it's much more sleek looking like this.

Jason Howell (00:09:23):
Yeah, that's a slick looking device. I like it. How about the higher res webcam we were talking before the show that you're not using, obviously you were just showing us the, the air. So you're obviously not using that to do your video for this interview, but you are using the, basically the same webcam. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> what was your, like, what was your experience with the camera on this device?

Dan Ackerman (00:09:45):
Yeah, I'm using the 10 camera and the 24 inch IM acquisi essentially the same as the 10 80 camera now in the 14 inch pro 16 inch pro. And now this 13 inch air, not in the new 13 inch pro that still has the old seven 20 camera. And listen, we all know that MacBook, we cams have always kind of stuck. Everybody's always said that. And now that we're doing all these, you know, web meetings and zoom meetings and video stuff, it's more important now than ever. And frankly, two years too late, there's finally a 10 80 camera in a MacBook Air, and it's not just the resolution. It's the image processing too. We did some side by side, still shots and video, and you can see those on our CNET review and you can really tell the difference. And again, not just resolution, the image processing is much smarter behind it and is really caught up with a lot of windows systems where premium window systems have moved to 10 80 cameras over the last few years,

Jason Howell (00:10:37):
Right on. And then also wanna talk a little bit about MagSafe because personally I've always been a big fan of MagSafe. I was definitely bummed when they got rid of it and then it's come back. And I very recently, like within the last month bought the MacBook pro last year's model of the MacBook pro that does have the mags save, has the M one chip. And I really appreciate having mags save back. You mentioned in your article that you're kind of like, you know what, I think I'm over it. Like the SBCs, just fine. Tell us a little bit about that because I, because I, as much as I'm happy having Mac mag safe back, it's not as critical to me either because I, you know, like, like you say, you can just plug it right into that USBC, and it's not a big deal.

Dan Ackerman (00:11:14):
You got options. You know, I love Mac safe. Originally. I was said, when went away, largely because I'm very clumsy. But then something interesting happened. Apple did something, the company does not often do it added a universal standard to its products and said, oh, USBC, that's your data connection, your accessory connection, your power connection, and half the phones out there, and almost all the windows laptops out there and your Nintendo switch and your steam deck and everything else all decided to use USBC. I'm like, I can't believe we're living in this. Is this real? Am I living in a simulation? This is amazing. So what does Apple do immediately? They go, you know what, we're bringing back a proprietary cable. Let's do that. <Laugh> so they eat up a bunch of space on the side, over here for the max safe connection. You still got USBC, and you can still use that if you wanna use this, it's a perfectly nice cable. And on the MacBook it's color coded the cable matches like this is midnight, which I think is the coolest color. And the cable for the max safe is also midnight, but am I gonna carry around one proprietary cable with me? Or am I just gonna throw a generic USBC cable from like a dollar or something in my bag? Or just assume that everywhere I go, if somebody's gonna have a USBC plug, that's what I'm gonna do.

Jason Howell (00:12:25):
Yeah. And, and along those lines, kind of with the option, like now that I'm thinking about it, you know, at my, at my home setup, I have like my music production studio, and it kind of goes into place and I can have it plugged into mag safe there, but then when I'm going anywhere, you're right in my bag, I'm gonna have a USBC if I'm gonna have anything. And that's just fine. Plug it into the mag safe than if I, you know, if I knock it off the, the studio table, Hey, whatever. But it's, it's less of a necessity now than I feel like it. Well, then it felt like it was back in the first version of mag save to me.

Dan Ackerman (00:12:57):
So, I mean, especially because everyone had proprietary laptop cables back then totally brand a didn't work with brand B. Now it's so universal. And even Apple was onboard for a while. And I was pleasantly surprised by that until they said, oh, wait, we can sell you a special cable again. Why are we not doing that?

Jason Howell (00:13:13):
Well, at least you have options leave. At least you have both of them. And then price wise entry cost for this laptop is definitely up. How do you feel about how's that sit with you?

Dan Ackerman (00:13:23):
This is my biggest disappointment about the system. They brought back what I call my least favorite feature about the MacBook Air, the feature being, they occasionally make it more expensive than 9 99. I think back in maybe 2018, they bumps it up by 200 bucks. And I said, that's a terrible idea. And then a year or two later, they brought it back down to 9 99 where it stayed ever since. So now we're back up to 1200 bucks. As I saw, they're keeping the M one version, the wedge version from 2020, and you're buying 2020 hardware. If you're doing this, they're keeping that at 9 99. So Apple can say we sell a thousand dollars computer, but you're gonna feel kind of left out if you get that MacBook Air and then somebody else next to you has this MacBook Air mm-hmm <affirmative> with the new screen and the new camera and the new features and the M two chip instead of the M one

Jason Howell (00:14:09):
Colors. And yeah,

Dan Ackerman (00:14:10):
I feel like, you know, hopefully in a year or two, this one will go back down to 9 99. I think it's an important psychological barrier. Yeah. And frankly, a practical barrier. If you're a college student, if you're just starting out, if you're just gonna sit in a coffee shop and write your novel all day 9 99 is achievable. You can work your way up to that 1200 bucks. Then you gotta, then you gotta reconsider.

Jason Howell (00:14:31):
I absolutely agree. I think a psychological barrier that's, that's exactly what it is. And I have to imagine at some point that ends up dropping down again. So, but that's just a guess and we will see. And when that happens, perhaps Dan Ackerman will write all about it. Like he has this awesome review at CNET. Dan, it's always a pleasure getting to talk with you. Thank you for hopping out with us. So people wanna follow your work online. Where can they find you?

Dan Ackerman (00:14:53):
You can find me all over, oversee it and on Twitter at Dan Ackerman. Thanks, man.

Jason Howell (00:14:57):
All right on. Thank you too. Take care of yourself. Be be safe and stay healthy this summer. We'll talk to you soon.

Dan Ackerman (00:15:04):
Well, dude, see

Jason Howell (00:15:04):
Ya. Bye Dan. All right. Up next. Netflix is on pace to get ads. I'm sure you've heard about this. And now apparently Microsoft is the company that's gonna help. 'em Do it. So we're gonna talk all about that. That's a Mikah's interview coming up next, but first this episode of tech news weekly is brought to you by secure works. Secure works is actually a subsidiary of Dell. What would happen if an intruder broke into your home and then moved in without you knowing it, <laugh> sneaking around eating your food, using your Netflix account with or without ads imagine an intruder doing that same thing to your it infrastructure. You know, how many passwords would they actually be able to compromise? How many systems could they damage or degrade? How many pieces of personal or maybe even financial data could they steal threat actors often are hiding in plain sight in it systems is what makes 'em so difficult to find for more than 200 days on average.

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Mikah Sargent (00:19:20):
All right. Yes. some pretty new news as it were related to Netflix who we've heard for some time is has been thinking about introducing a new tier to its service. Joining us today to talk about Netflix's partnership with Microsoft is the verges Richard Lawler. Welcome to the show, Richard,

Richard Lawler (00:19:41):
Thank you so much for having me,

Mikah Sargent (00:19:43):
Yeah. Happy to have you here. So let's kick things off. We've been hearing about an ad supported tier on Netflix for quite a while now. And I'm curious, can you just give us the basic details of this news and, and Microsoft's involvement in it?

Richard Lawler (00:19:56):
Certainly I think where we can start is really kind of the rough start to the year that Netflix has been having like many companies as the pandemic has progressed and people were at home Netflix's growth, accelerated sharply, well beyond their, you know, their previous predictions as more people subscribed and they kind of had a spike and as people started going back outside that spike went down. We we've seen it with other companies. It hit Netflix very hard. They, for the first time in about 10 years, they've reported that they had lost subscribers in total that they were actually having a shrinking subscriber base. And for Netflix, trying to find ways to make more money when you have more than a hundred million customers is a bit difficult. How, how you get more people, how you, how you can make more money from the customers that you have and something that they've been very against in streaming for years now, and, and have, have openly said that they did not like, and did not want to do, was to add advertising, but circumstances have changed.

Richard Lawler (00:20:52):
The investors are a little a little uneasy and suddenly the executives are open to advertising and they, we we've heard that they've told employees that we could see advertising launch on Netflix by the end of this year. So Netflix is, is open and ready to launch advertising, but they don't really have any expertise or any way to do that. They, they have so much expertise in keeping streaming, running. They have a service that, you know, almost never goes down and streams video all over the world, but they don't have advertising. So they had to go find someone to kind of help out with that. And that's where Microsoft steps in.

Mikah Sargent (00:21:25):
Yeah. That was actually

Richard Lawler (00:21:25):
Just to really provide the technology in ways to get it done.

Mikah Sargent (00:21:29):
Yeah. I mean, cuz I was kind of curious about this why Netflix chose to partner with Microsoft. I, when I think of advertising and you know, I've got only a base understanding of it. I typically think of Google. I think of Facebook. I think of maybe even Amazon who, if you don't have ad blockers has lots of different ads that they serve on their own site. Those are the big advertisers that I think of is this is, is, is Microsoft there and doing this and I'm just not as aware of it, but also is this an opportunity for Microsoft to take a step forward? Is this kind of a big bit of business, both for Netflix, but also for Microsoft?

Richard Lawler (00:22:10):
I think that the second point is true is that it is an opportunity for Microsoft really to raise this profile in the advertising business. As you mentioned, obviously Google, Facebook are the huge names in advertising, but Microsoft is also there. They have Bing, which we, we may joke about, but it, it exists. It has, it has advertising and they've been building up some of their more creative elements within even products like windows that may support that may help support and work with a more robust advertising business. There are also rumors that they are considering an ad supported or, or in ways to integrate ads for free to play games on Xbox, which is a massive opportunity for them. So they've also been building that up and there was a report by the wall street journal. Sarah Krause wrote that one of the major elements for Netflix choosing Microsoft is they considered partnering with Comcast who has an ad business of its own with NBC universal, that it uses to deliver ads, both on cable and online and also considered Google.

Richard Lawler (00:23:05):
However, both of those companies compete with Netflix when it comes to video. So there obviously Netflix has, has in its entire history, been very secretive and very cautious about sharing data. And that's one, one of their big things as a company. So I can see why they may not want to partner with either of those two parties. And so Microsoft has the, the advantage of being agnostic in that particular way. And they also purchased a company that most of us have never heard of at the end of last year called Xander as, as at and T sold off time Warner and HBO and all it kind of other media properties something that went slightly less notice was that they also sold this company that they had acquired this startup for this advertising ad tech startup called Xander. And that company is focused on building ads for a post cookie world. Like many other companies is trying to figure out how to kind of target people without violating their privacy without using cookies, which, you know, Google and other, other browsers are starting to phase out and you won't be able to use to build, to be able to find your audience anymore and find a way to make that work. And Microsoft has it, they, they have the technology and, and they're they're ready to deliver.

Mikah Sargent (00:24:10):
Ah, okay. That makes sense. I think perhaps if Microsoft had gone through and purchased TikTok, like was then maybe this would be a different conversation cuz then they would be competing a little bit more directly with Netflix in the video space, but that didn't happen. But so now this is starting to make sense. It's starting to really add up do this of course I know is kind of in the rumor space the, the, the press releases don't directly talk about this, but do you have any details? Do we know any details? Do we know any rumors about pricing for the ad supported tier? Because I think some people might think of the Spotify model where you can stream Spotify music for free and ads occasionally play on the platform. This is not gonna be that as far as we know, right. You're not gonna be able to just turn on the Netflix channel and it just streams through for free, without any without having to pay anything. As long as you have the ads going, this'll be maybe a, a sort of subsidized model like other streaming streaming video services.

Richard Lawler (00:25:09):
That's what it sounds like. It sounds more like a Netflix is preparing to go the subsidized model where you get a slightly lower price in exchange for seeing some amount of ads. Exactly what those prices will be. We haven't heard a, a bunch of reliable information yet that same wall street general report suggests that one of the plans that they're considering and, and Netflix is kind of moving very quickly with all of this. So I'm sure things are, are flexible at the moment. But one thing that they may be considering is to have lower priced versions of each of the three tiers that they offer. They, they have like standard Def high Def and an option with 4k and multiple streams at, at different price points and to have cheaper versions of each of those, if you agree to see some advertising, also something that we've seen Netflix do over the last couple of years is two occasionally have some free content available. They've occasionally done sort of like free weekends or had like many sites with certain Netflix originals to try and attract people. And if Netflix becomes a more traditional TV video provider, I wouldn't be surprised to see them do more of that. It's it's not something they've done so far, but they, they will be, be less unique if they're in a space where they have advertisements and they, they really need to increase eyeballs on that.

Mikah Sargent (00:26:17):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> now in the announcement Netflix said Microsoft will be its quote global advertising technology in sales partner on unquote. And I'm curious about kind of, does that mean that Microsoft is basically, and, and you, you touched on this a little bit earlier, Microsoft is coming in and kind of handling all of it. They're the ones that are going to go out and find the advertisers who are going to advertise on the platform. They're the ones who are going to sort of connect their technology. It sounds like Netflix is kind of just buying a it's like the equivalent of, of hiring someone to come in and fix your house. You know, you don't do anything with them. They just come in. You say, oh, I wanna have this done. They come in, they put in the, I don't know the pool <laugh> and, and handle all of the concrete pouring and all of that stuff is that kind of what's going on here? Netflix is like, look, that's not our thing. You do that part. We just want to have the money that gets subsidized so that we can offer these, these subscriptions.

Richard Lawler (00:27:22):
That's really what it sounds like. That, that Netflix is focusing on what they do well or what they feel like they do well, which is to create this content, to create the service and to deliver it. And that the advertising that, that is kind of outside their area. And at least at, at least at the start that they'll be able to let someone else do that. We've seen as they've kind of moved into other, other industries, as Netflix has started to produce its own shows as, as they, if you go back to when they first rolled out streaming apps, they did a lot of relying on other people and, and I'm not surprised to see them kind of follow that same strategy in this space.

Mikah Sargent (00:27:57):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And then I, I was curious, there was a brief mention of privacy in Microsoft's announcement, and you did touch on this a little bit as well, where we are getting to a post cookie world. Does that mean that where we won't see, you know, I'm watching, I don't know, the stranger things season seven that were, you know, eventually on and during it, then it shows me an ad for my favorite trail mix that I get at, at the, at the local grocery store that I use Instacart to order from. So they've got that information. It sounds like it's not gonna be that targeted. Is this, I mean, from what we know, is this more of an idea of people who watch this kind of content would probably like these kinds of things versus this hyper targeted bit of, of advertising that is directed at me individually, how do we know anything about the ad tech based on, like you said Microsoft's acquisitions and kind of what these, these streaming services have done in the past.

Richard Lawler (00:29:07):
We haven't seen we haven't seen really enough of it to say exactly what they're going to be doing, but that sounds like the direction, especially the companies like Google are going with the privacy sandbox and the different kind of experiments that they've proposed, where they track more, as you said, people like you and try to try to, to kind of target that way within, within the groups. And it is something that all of these companies are doing. When you take a look at companies like Roku or Visio, what something that people may not realize is that while Visio appears to be a TV company over the last couple of years, they've made far more money from their services and advertising business. Roku is also like that, where that's really where they make their money is by selling the, these, this informa is by, by categorizing this information and then selling ads against it. So Netflix and Microsoft, they could have a significantly more privacy protecting operation, but still makes a lot of money potentially from, from advertisements, if they have the data and are able to use it properly. So I think that's the promise that a company like Xander has had, but one of the reasons why you haven't heard of them is because it it's, it's been more of a promise. We haven't exactly seen it all in operation yet.

Mikah Sargent (00:30:13):
Right. And then last but not least I'm curious outside of an ad supported tier, obviously Netflix is trying to do what it can to increase subscription, increase daily active users and make sure that its platform continues to be viable as as its investors. See it. What is Netflix doing outside of this? What, what are the rumors of, of other ways that Netflix is looking at trying to sort of increase its business outside of, of an ad supported tier?

Richard Lawler (00:30:49):
Well, Netflix is in a, in an area and, and the environment in streaming video has changed from when it first launched and kind of had this, the, the entire segment to itself. There was no one else doing subscription streaming. Now they're now the studios that make the content that Netflix used to buy from them all have subscription streaming services of their own. So getting the content that people want to watch is harder. It's more expensive. They have to pay to produce it. In many cases, two things that they've tried to implement just recently are video games is something that Netflix is, is getting big into. They haven't started charging more for it. And right now they kind of just have mobile games on iOS and Android for people to, to play built in with their Netflix subscription. But it, it is something that they've invested did significantly and they've acquired some studios and they're, they're creeping into that.

Richard Lawler (00:31:39):
And I, I do wonder how that will make them a competitor for Microsoft, where they have Xbox, they have X cloud, they have, they have cloud gaming streaming. So they may bump heads a bit there, but it's, it's still so early that, that those things aren't, aren't really the same, but that, that is something that they're looking at to, to expand their offerings. And also something that executives called out specifically when the subscriber drop came out is password sharing and how Netflix will handle that and what they will do. They have tested a few approaches in other countries, not in the us yet where they prompt people, ah, who they believe are sharing their passwords and kind of try to hope them to sign up for an extra, an extra fee to get more simultaneous streams for example, on their account and how successful that is.

Richard Lawler (00:32:27):
If it's, if they're able to do that without upsetting customers and losing even more subscribers or be, or to be able to, to kind of get more money outta subscribers, they have, and convince people who maybe right now are using their cousin or, or old ex ex's account to get an account with their own. You know, maybe that's an opportunity there, but that, those are, those are two specific areas they're focusing on. And, and it's one of the reasons they need to is because they've recently raised the price over the last several years. They've repeatedly raised price. And I'm, I'm sure if you have Netflix, you've noticed you're paying quite a bit more than you used to. And I, I know for me, it got to the point where subscribing to Netflix isn't automatic anymore because it costs so much. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, and, and that's kind of a struggle, a struggle that they're facing.

Mikah Sargent (00:33:09):
I I'm right there with you on that. It's one of those things where I, I've never, in the past sort of taken the time to examine what shows do I watch here? How much do I watch? And is it worth keeping now I do have that moment of like, Hmm, this could be one that I kick and I've, yeah, I've never had that before with Netflix. So it's kind of wild. Richard, I wanna thank you so much for joining us today to talk about this. Of course, folks can head over to the verge to check out your work, but if they'd like to follow you online, is there a place they can go to do that

Richard Lawler (00:33:40):
On Twitter at R JCC is where, where you can follow me for kind of tech news mediocre, apex, legends clips, you know, I, I do all things.

Mikah Sargent (00:33:49):
Awesome. Thank you so much for joining us today. We appreciate it.

Richard Lawler (00:33:53):
Thank you for having me.

Mikah Sargent (00:33:55):
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Jason Howell (00:37:06):
All right. Let's do it. So time marches on, as we know in the world of technology, and one thing that we're, we are seeing we've seen before, but I feel like we've seen this, especially with Facebook in the last couple of, of years, let's say, and maybe even in the last year, is that as much as we think things are gonna stay the same things shift dramatically at, at certain times. And so these players like Facebook, for example, end up, like, I feel like the conversation around Facebook has changed a lot in the, in the past year or two, there have been a lot of reasons why that's happened, but Facebook used to be this, you know, billions of users platform that no one will ever beat. Right. And sure they still have an insane amount of users, but like the younger users aren't really going to Facebook anymore.

Jason Howell (00:37:54):
And so that's changing the balance and, and the landscape of, you know, who's, who's kind of the up and coming who who's the potential next Facebook, that sort of thing. Well, and then you've got Google, right. And Google has been, you know, at the top of the heap and search and so many other things, you know, they're, they're, they're a constant in what they do in technology, but now we're hearing a lot about TikTok, right? And that's, and when I think of TikTok, I think of like this little VI, not little, I think of a video platform, maybe with little videos on it, cuz they're shorter videos, but I think of it as just a video platform. And it turns out that the younger generations are actually thinking of TikTok as something more. And I've got a couple of stories that kind of allude to this and I just thought it was kinda interesting.

Jason Howell (00:38:40):
So we can kind of summarize these here real quick. So first of all, TechCrunch helped conduct a study of 400,000 families with I think it's called Q studio software. It's basically software running on the devices for parental monitoring, for monitoring. How how some of its younger users are actually using their devices, what they're using, how long they're using it, that sort of stuff. They tracked real world usage. So this is not estimates. This is actually tracking how it was used ongoing. So it's 400,000 families, quite a big sample set. And the data seems to show that gen Z and gen alpha and gen alpha, by the way, is all kids born after 2010. So think of like the, the COVID the pandemic generation essentially are turning even more away from YouTube, which has just been so dominant when it comes to online video and toward TikTok during the pandemic that data actually showed TikTok at 75 minutes per day, right?

Jason Howell (00:39:38):
Tiktok was ahead of YouTube 75 minutes per day on average, compared to the YouTube 64 minutes. But now in the past year in this update to this report, TikTok has now jumped up to 91 minutes on average, YouTube saw 56 minutes. So YouTube declining top tiptop, TikTok, sorry, tiptop, is that what all the kids are using these days? Tiptop since 2019, YouTube has actually declined. Tick TikTok is growing and not just by a little, as far as that's concerned. And that's just in the us, when you take a look at the UK, the numbers are even more TikTok at a hundred, two minutes per day, compared to 53 minutes on YouTube on average, and even in light of YouTube shorts, which as you know, YouTube shorts was really created to, to compete directly with TikTok kids you know, still prefer the TikTok product as far as that's concerned and TikTok.

Jason Howell (00:40:33):
We also know that TikTok has increased their video length to 10 minutes that just happened this year, right? It started out as being this short video platform. Now it's broadened out to 10 minutes. I have to imagine that that average watch time will continue to increase as it has from 2020 to 2021. With that change, you've got 11 to 17 seconds on average in 2020, in 20 21, 21 to 34 seconds. And as those video lengths increase, as people get more used to seeing longer form video on TikTok and especially the younger generations who are really investing themselves in the TikTok platform over YouTube, I think more and more TikTok becomes a replacement for those YouTube habits. And so that's just one of the reports before I get into the other one. I don't know. I wanna check in with you, Mikah, do you have any thoughts on that? Where, where are you at?

Mikah Sargent (00:41:25):
So I will say I am, I I'm, I'm a weird, I'm a weirdo <laugh> because I can't, I can't represent in many cases my generation because a lot of the folks in my generation are very into YouTube. And I think that what, what happened to me was one, I just am an old soul. But also I'm gonna in a minute, I'll talk about, I'm also a young soul, a bit of an old soul. So YouTube was not a huge thing for me, although I did have a YouTube show back in the day mm-hmm <affirmative> but I didn't watch a lot of YouTube. And then two, I worked in in journalism for years and in particular I worked in video journalism. And so I'm not a big video watcher because it's like seeing how the sausage gets made and then you get kind of tired of it.

Mikah Sargent (00:42:21):
Yeah. I prefer to read things if I can or listen to things. And so the, I, I'm a big U like when I wanna learn new things and I have to use YouTube, I almost always have it at two X and I'm the whole time I'm kind of annoyed that I can't just have a transcript that actually, you know, is the proper text of what's on screen. You can just read through it at your own speed or whatever. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. but at the same time young soul comes into play when it comes to TikTok because I, I don't do it every day. I don't even do it every week necessarily, but you know, once every couple of weeks I will open up TikTok and just have fun watching video after video, after video and the, you know, talk about the algorithm, whatever, but I love my TikTok stream is like adorable dogs, doing things birds, dancing to music, which is hilarious to me.

Mikah Sargent (00:43:17):
Occasionally a recipe comes up beautiful singers, singing beautifully mm-hmm <affirmative> and funny moments that are like, it is my humor and my comedy. I don't ever see, you know, videos of like kids falling down or, or, you know, adults wiping out. None of that stuff is funny to me. It's like the comedy that's, there is the comedy that I like. And so there's something to be said for that. And, you know, anecdotally, just the other day I had a friend mention on YouTube that their algorithm got messed up somehow because they started seeing videos of like people who own lizards like shedding those lizards, they were, you know, going in and, and, you know, that's for people who like lizards, that's probably a, an enjoyable thing to watch. Right, right. Or for people who were really into that, but for her, she's like, that's, I don't ever wanna see that ever not once.

Mikah Sargent (00:44:11):
And that's happened to me before, on YouTube where I really like watching chiropractic technique at, at work and hearing people talk about their stories and the, the, the pains that they experience and then seeing a chiropractor, do the things that a chiropractor does. And you know, the, the response that comes out of that. But by watching those videos, it started to lead down this weird path that I had no interest in going. Yeah. And I thought, you know, this knows nothing about me, but I have not really had that with TikTok. So I think that I am not surprised that the trendy nature of TikTok is what pulls in the kids. But then also what seems to be a better job of, of recommending videos that a person actually wants to see.

Jason Howell (00:44:57):
No question helps.

Mikah Sargent (00:44:59):
And then increasingly there is something to be said for human's attention span and the shortening of that. So all those things come together to where none of this is a surprise to me.

Jason Howell (00:45:11):
Yeah. Yeah. Not, not a surprise. And I, I totally agree the, the algorithm that is working, I mean, it's, it's what TikTok continues to get praised for a time and time. Again, I think everybody agrees, there is something about what TikTok is doing in truly knowing what you, as a user, after a short amount of time using it actually want to see going forward. They, they nail it and YouTube has many times not nailed it and sometimes felt very random. And I don't feel that randomness when I use TikTok, so I totally get it. So it's almost like TikTok understands you as a user more. And, you know, the younger, the, the younger generation users who are using TikTok become potentially become more used to the platform getting it right. And so why would they turn anywhere else? You know? And it's just us older legacy users that maybe get left behind in the dust, cuz that's just what I've always used.

Jason Howell (00:46:07):
So anyway, so that's the first story. The second story also on tech crunch has to do not with video, but with search and Google. And this, this was about Google itself, admitting that TikTok is actually taking away its search and its maps volume as well, which when I've thought of like, you know, what is the potential of TikTok? I always think of it in terms of like, does it replace YouTube or does it, you know, does it outlast like YouTube shorts or whatever Facebook or Instagram has, you know, there's those like direct comparisons. But what Google's saying here is 40% of gen Z actually prefers searching TikTok. And actually Instagram is another one that they called out over Google's own search and map products. And according to Google SVP, and I'm probably gonna get his name wrong. So I apologize, Kar Ragin he's RA he said during a, during a conference he said something like almost 40% of young people, when they're looking for a place for lunch, they don't go to Google maps or search.

Jason Howell (00:47:09):
They go to TikTok or Instagram. And you know, Google of course in light of this is attempting to make changes to make its search product more appealing to younger users. <Laugh> cuz that's what they do when things like this happen. They're like, oh, we've gotta get the kids. How do we change our search products to appeal to the kids? But I think reading these two in tandem just really kind of reminded me that like the things that we may take for granted that Facebook will be around forever and it will always be dominant because it has all the users, you know, that, that Google's search has, has been so dominant for, for decades now. And that's never gonna change because how could anyone beat Google' search? I think it just goes to show the power of a younger generation coming in, making discoveries on their own.

Jason Howell (00:47:54):
And we, we, we tend to think, or, you know, kind of the tech press and people who are fans of technology, tend to think at times that these things are imovable. And I think what this shows is that no, you know, given a long enough time span, there will be another one and it might not come from where you think it's gonna come. If T you know, I don't know what 10 years down the line talk's gonna be doing, but, you know, 10 years ago, I wasn't entirely certain that Facebook was gonna be getting into the metaverse and VR and everything like that either. So it's just interesting to me to see how these things start and then what they evolve into and to think about a world in a world, you know, 10 years from now where, you know, is TikTok the next search engine. I don't know, but it could be as ridiculous as that might seem right now. It very well could be depending on how these younger generations are like invested and all in on 'em.

Mikah Sargent (00:48:45):
Yeah. I guess, I guess we shall see where it goes, but I do think that yeah, what you've pointed out there that it's, it's not this, you know, steadfast and true situation where nothing will change, right?

Jason Howell (00:48:58):
Yeah. Yeah. If there's one thing that's that, that stays the same is the fact that change is constant. So whatever that quote is <laugh> yeah. However, that, however that quote goes, that's basically that

Mikah Sargent (00:49:11):
Probably on a TikTok somewhere.

Jason Howell (00:49:12):
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Mikah Sargent (00:51:44):
Yes. this is a wild set of stories called the Uber files that came out on July 11th. So Monday as we are recording the show back on Monday, and this is a series of, well, it's a write up about a series of files, 124,000 documents that were leaked to the guardian regarding how Uber did quite a few things that are not not exactly legal in many ways. Are we surprised? Are, are we no, no, not at all. Not at all. So again, more than 124,000 documents and these files reveal that there were attempts by Uber to lobby Joe Biden, Olas schuls, and George Osburn Emmanuel Macron, who was at the time, not yet the president of France but is now the president of France. Allegedly aided Uber in lobbying in France. And that was according to texts that they saw because along with it just being documentation like emails and stuff like that, it was also WhatsApp messages and iMessages.

Mikah Sargent (00:52:58):
So all of that together was, was shown. And then also there was information about a, what, what Uber called a kill switch, which was a way for Uber to erase data on its servers in order to circumvent raids by police if police were seeking to view data at the company. Yeah. That, that, that doesn't sound good. <Laugh> yeah, not right there. No, a kill switch, not a good look, I'm all about like you know, data privacy protection in terms of if a, if a police officer or a, a law, a body of law comes and they want like information on one particular individual or, you know, that kind of thing is a, is a whole different ball game. Versus if the company itself is accused of doing something and they are then erasing all of the data to make sure that they can't it can't be proven that they're doing something that's a different kind of thing.

Mikah Sargent (00:53:59):
Yeah. That really, yeah. That is you may remember a long, long time ago and we're showing the, the photo on on the stream, if you're watching that French taxi drivers were very upset about Uber coming to France and they actually protested and they, the protests got a little violent, there was there was a lot going on and there's was one situation where let me find it now. Now I've lost it. Oh, here we go. So at the time Kalanick, I think it, what is it, Travis Kalanick, who was the C yeah. Was the CEO and the founder of Uber. They said different people executives said, Hey, look, it's really not a good idea to encourage Uber drivers to go to France, or if they are in France already to protest as part of this, because it puts them at risk.

Mikah Sargent (00:55:01):
You know, things could get violent and it's not a good idea because the taxi industry is very angry right now. So maybe don't do this and Callick responded quote, I think it's worth it. And then here's the other quote, violence guarantees success is what Callick said. So this is interesting too. Callick spokesperson responded and said Callick never suggested that Uber should take advantage of violence at the expense of driver's safety and any suggestion he was involved in such activity would be completely false. So somehow trying to say that the evidence to the contrary is not real is what the, the spokesperson is saying. It goes on, I mean, this is a hu a huge trove of data and a huge article kind of detailing what they discovered. And in fact, the guardian worked with several other groups as part of the international consortium of investigative journalists.

Mikah Sargent (00:56:04):
And so the I C I J was at the root of this. That's how they shared data with other media outlets, 40 other media outlets and 180 journalists at theand Washington posts, the BBC and more, and those outlets are also going to be publishing pieces related to the Uber files after they've, you know, climbed through all of this data and figured different things out. At one point Kalanick was set to meet with president Biden, who at the time was vice president, Joe Biden. And I guess he was waiting for Biden who was late due to other things. And Travis Kalanick texted I'm at the Intercontinental waiting for biden.dot dot who is late. I've had my people let him know that every minute late he is is one less minute he will have with me. So the guy definitely, you know valued his, time'll just say that but was working to try and get Biden on board.

Mikah Sargent (00:57:06):
And one other quote from this according to the guardian, after meeting Kalanick, Biden appears to have amended his prepared speech at Davos to refer to a CEO whose company would give millions of workers, freedom to work as many hours as they wish manage their own lives, as they wish. So an interesting situation there where it, it seems like whatever conversation did happen resulted in mention of Uber in passing at this speech that Biden was giving one or a couple of other things. Uber executives appeared to be very aware of the fact that a lot of what they were doing was not legal was not sort of following the law. You may remember that when Uber was first kind of getting started and started to take off, they were trying to get into other countries as quickly as they possibly could.

Mikah Sargent (00:58:03):
And in getting into other countries, it often resulted in kind of what is that called seek forgiveness later act, and then seek forgiveness later. Yeah, right. That whole idea ask for, for forgiveness, not permission. Yes, exactly. Yeah. and I got that one right today, at least. Yeah. Ding, ding, ding dinging <laugh>. So that appears to be the situation and the executives who, you know, perhaps in years past have, have sort of pretended like, oh, we didn't know that this seem to be on board because many of them one executive joked that the, the group had become pirates. And another one said a used an expletive to say, we are just beeping illegal, just straight up said, we are just mm-hmm, <affirmative> illegal. And so there were lots of jokes amongst the executives about how they weren't really following the laws, regulations, et cetera.

Mikah Sargent (00:59:01):
And that, you know, they, they continued to move fast, regardless of that. One of the, the most, I think, interesting aspects of this is that the person who appears to be the leaker of this, they, this person has come forward and said, I am the leaker. It's just not clear to me if that has been confirmed, but the guardian, you know, didn't make any hedging on when they said, so Uber's former chief lobbyist in Europe. So this is mark McGahn, who was the lobbyist for Europe for the middle east and for Africa. And McGahn came forward and said, I'm the one who leaked the data and said, quote, it is my duty to speak up and help governments and parliamentarians write some fundamental wrongs morally. I had no choice in the matter. So 2013 to 20 17, 80 3000 emails, some iMessages and WhatsApp messages.

Mikah Sargent (00:59:59):
And lots of as they say, unvarnished conversations Uber audit for its part in response to the Uber files said quote, we have not, and will not make excuses for past behavior that is clearly not in line with our present values. Instead we ask the public to judge us by what we've done over the last five years and what we will do in the years to come. So yeah, I, I, I mean, the, I can kind of guess your thoughts on this, but I would like to hear just your reaction, the

Jason Howell (01:00:34):
Very least, I mean, I'm not surprised at all. I think that that statement right there, you know, kind of says it all where, where they realize who is it, rush, rush. Asari why am I blanking on, on the, the current CEO's name?

Mikah Sargent (01:00:49):
Oh, crud. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:00:51):
But you

Mikah Sargent (01:00:51):
Know, you keep going all find,

Jason Howell (01:00:52):
I mean, the, the current it's it's yeah. I'm blanking. But the current leadership at Uber is, I mean, at least from the outside, looking in entire, you know, very different, clearly different Travis Kalanick was poison, in my opinion, mm-hmm, <affirmative>, he, he was just incredibly, he, he was just, <laugh> horrible in a lot of ways, you know misogynistic you know, implemented a lot of things that were just in incredibly inappropriate drove the staff to insane levels of overwork, you know, in at times, pitting them against each other and not really caring about it as long as the final product was Uber wins. You know what I mean? It was just from, you know, a toxic culture all around. So I'm not, I'm not surprised at, at any of this. I don't know how much you hold a company like this accountable for things that happened under that kind of leadership.

Jason Howell (01:01:54):
That was five plus years ago. I mean, I, I, I, and I, I speak like, what I mean by that is like, I actually don't know the law, like how accountable is the Uber of today when, you know, some of these decisions were tied to Travis Kalanick who isn't there anymore. Does that fall on Kalanick? Does that fall on Uber? If, you know, if there are any charges that, that follow as a result of some of this reporting, I'm not sure, but but yeah, I, it was a, in my opinion, it was a great day when, when Kalanick was no longer CEO at Uber, I still, at the time, I remember just being like, I'm not riding an Uber, you know, I'm gonna take a Lyft, even though Lyft was harder to ride, you know, it was, it was not nearly as, as ubiquitous in any of the places that I was doing ride share, but I kind of refused. And I've used Uber since now, you know, since that he's been gone and, and I've have a little bit more of an improved taste in my mouth, as far as the company is concerned and the culture improvements and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, as far as these, the, you know, these reports are concerned. I'm totally not surprised at all. This sounds, this sounds pretty much in line with exactly what I would expect.

Mikah Sargent (01:03:03):
I agree wholeheartedly. I'm this, none of this is shocking to me. The only thing that's shocking is the detail. And that's why it's well worth will include a link. Of course it's well worth heading to the guardians piece. It's kind of hard to find if you just type in Uber files, the guardian, because they've got like a page that has all the breakout articles. So I've got the direct link to the original reporting that then has links out to other things. And that, that way you can see what it's all about. Just because it's kind of wild, what is available in there. And I, I, yeah, I do. I do wonder how this moves forward in terms of what the company what, what can be done <laugh> yeah. For something that's already been done, <laugh>

Jason Howell (01:03:46):
Totally, totally, we shall see on another episode, because at this point we've reached the end of this episode. So we'll get back to you on that. But tech news weekly publishes every Thursday at Twitter TV slash TNW. You can go to that show page and subscribe in the many ways, the many different feeds and, you know, YouTube link. We don't have a TikTok live link yet. Does TikTok even have a live component? I don't, I don't know that it does.

Mikah Sargent (01:04:13):
I think it does. I think it does live streaming. Yeah. TWI. Yeah. Cause I live streaming. I'm thinking about some of the crafters will occasionally be live and they're like throwing pots and stuff, so

Jason Howell (01:04:23):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're, I don't believe that twit is there yet, but Hey, you know,

Mikah Sargent (01:04:27):
Know not, not in live streaming. Maybe, maybe I'll have to set up a, a, a stream next time. Yeah. see how it on, on TikTok <laugh>

Jason Howell (01:04:37):
But yeah. Twit do TV slash TNW for everything we do have check it out there.

Mikah Sargent (01:04:43):
And if you'd like to get all of our shows add free, well, we've got a way for you to do that. You can check out club TWiT for seven bucks a month or $84 a year. You can join club TWI. What does that get you? Well, it gets you every single show ad free, which is super awesome. But it also gets you access to the cl the twit plus bonus feed that has extra content. You won't find anywhere else. That is behind the scenes before the show, after the show and some special bits that get added there, as well as access to the members, only discord server. That's the place where you can go to chat with your fellow club, twit members. And also those of us here at TWI, all that available TWiT do TV slash club TWiT for seven bucks a month, and access to shows that are exclusive to club twit, including my new show, which the second episode publishes today hands on Mac.

Mikah Sargent (01:05:34):
So if you want to check that out, we'll join the club. I should also mention that there is another way for you to get that show. You can go to TWiT that TV slash club TWiT the same place that you go seven bucks a month, and you can get the hands on Mac only plan for 2 99 a month. You'll get access to my show without any of the extra stuff, you don't have to worry about it. It's just the hands on Mac single show plan that, and this show are available as well as part of the Apple podcast subscription for 2 99 a month. You'll get the audio feed completely ad free. You just head into Apple podcast, you type in tech news weekly, and you can tap to subscribe on the audio feed for 2 99 with zero ads. So hands on Mac, love it.

Mikah Sargent (01:06:16):
And tech news weekly, no ads and all of the other good stuff as part of club TWI. If you want to follow me online, I'm at mic Sargent on many, a social media network where you can add to chiwawa.coffee. That's C H I H HOA H hoa.coffee, where I've got links to the places I'm most active online. Later today, if you're a clubfoot member or a subscriber, you can check out hands on Mac. Saturday I will be hosting Leo LaPorts oh, the tech guy on my own. So this will be my first time doing the radio show on my own. That's awesome. Tune in on Saturday starting at 11:00 AM super excited looking forward to that. And then on Tuesdays iOS today, which I record with my co-host rose, Mary orchard, where we talk all things, iOS, tvOS, home bys, et cetera, et cetera. And then Jason, you and I are gonna be on a lot of shows next week. Tell us about those and your shows.

Jason Howell (01:07:09):
Well, that's true. I I've yeah, I'm happy. You mentioned that, cuz I almost forgot to, to mention it here, but Leo is of course Leo and Lisa will be away on the TWiT cruise, which means that Mikah and I will be filling in for him while he's gone. I'm gonna be doing this week in Google. I'm gonna be doing security. Now you're gonna be doing Mac break weekly ride. Any other, any other shows that you're dropping in on?

Mikah Sargent (01:07:33):
Just Mac break weekly. Well, and then tech guy

Jason Howell (01:07:35):
And then tech guy. Of course.

Mikah Sargent (01:07:37):
I don't know if you, you already might have mentioned windows weekly. No,

Jason Howell (01:07:39):
No, no, no. You might have missed that, that one as well. So yeah, you're gonna see a lot of us next week. And then of course I also do all about Android TWiT TV slash AA every Tuesday. So you will get your fix of us next week, be sure. And check that out. I'm ad Jason Howell on Twitter. If you wanna find me on the socials you can find me there thanks to John Ashley for helping out here in the studio each and every week. And for his ever evolving role on the show really appreciate everything that you do also thanks to Burke for, you know, getting us set up and moving over TVs in the studio when I needed it a little bit earlier and thanks to you for watching and listening, we will see you all. We will see you all next time on tech news weekly. Bye everybody. Goodbye.

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