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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for Ask The Tech Guys. Leo Laporte over here, uh, coming up. It's a return of Johnny Jet. We missed him. We'll find out what he's been up to.
Mikah Sargent (00:00:08):
And I'm Mikah Sargent and we also talked to Dickey De Bartolo about hydro dipping eggs?
Leo Laporte (00:00:14):
And then I'm gonna bring all the stuff that I'm bringing on vacation. You can take a look at the bags, the cameras, the gear, that's all coming up. Next on Ask The Tech Guys.
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Leo Laporte (00:00:30):
This is Ask the Tech guys with Mikah Sargent and Leo Laporte. Episode 1967, recorded Sunday, March 26th, 2023. The Airplane Whisperer. This episode of Ask the Tech Guys is brought to you by Cachefly. Cachefly is the only CDN built for throughput, delivering rich media content up to 10 times faster than traditional delivery methods, and 30% faster than other major CDNs. Learn how you can get your first month firstname.lastname@example.org. Thanks for listening to this show. As an ad supported network, we are always looking for new partners with products and services that will benefit our qualified audience. Are you ready to grow your business? Reach out to email@example.com and launch your campaign now. Hey, hey, hey. How are you Today? It's time for Ask The Tech Guys. There's two of us. I'm Leo Laporte.
Mikah Sargent (00:01:30):
Hi, I'm Mikah Sargent.
Leo Laporte (00:01:31):
Hey Mikah. Hi, Leo. We're dressed like a French sailor today. We you need a, uh, little pompom hat.
Mikah Sargent (00:01:37):
I'm ready to take you on the gondola.
Leo Laporte (00:01:39):
<laugh> gon Mikah. Sargent <laugh>. Uh, we're glad to have you. This is the show where you get to call in, ask questions. We have some video calls. We'll take some Zoom calls. And I have an answer to a question from last week. Yes. You remember guy called, wanted to know, uh, about bags. Yeah. What
Mikah Sargent (00:01:56):
Leo Laporte (00:01:57):
We carry? We're both, uh, fans of the Merc mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, uh, I, so I brought in, I don't know, a half a dozen <laugh>. Yeah. Well, what I realized is I'm going away. This is my last show for a month. Yeah. Uh, I'm going on a trip lease and I are going to visit the Western. We're gonna go to Lisbon and Rome and we're gonna see the Blue City and, and Morocco. We're gonna see this Saada, fami, Barcelona. We're gonna do a lot of things. So I thought, well, I'll tie the bank thing in along with my packing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and some of the things I'm bringing on the trip because I, I have a fantasy about somehow doing a travel blog or I don't wanna be an influencer, but, uh, I wanna do something. You know, maybe Lisa and I, as we're traveling around, could do a Rick Steve's style, little videos and stuff. So I'm show you some of the things I'm bringing along that's, how about that, that's coming up.
Mikah Sargent (00:02:44):
I'm looking forward to that. And we've got
Leo Laporte (00:02:45):
Guests. We got two guests. The triumphant return of Johnny Jet. We missed him.
Mikah Sargent (00:02:49):
Yes. It's been a while since we went traveling with Johnny Jet. Oh.
Leo Laporte (00:02:52):
And our monthly visit from Mr. Uh, crappy Gadget. <laugh>, the GIZ Whizz
Mikah Sargent (00:02:57):
Leo Laporte (00:02:59):
So, let's just quickly before we get to our first calls, uh, go through some of the stories of the week. The biggest story of the week, one of the pioneers of the technology of the computer revolution passed at the age of 94. Gordon Moore. He was one of the three founders of Intel, along with Andy Grove and Robert NOIs. Uh, in 19, I wanna say 1966, in the sixties, he founded Intel. But you probably, most people probably know him for his law, Moore's Law. Uh, which he coined, I think in the, uh, in the early sixties, even before Intel was founded. Uh, 68, they found it. Intel, by the way, I'm just looking at his, uh, the obituary in the, uh, on the Intel website. Uh, Moore's Law was that, and he, he ca coined this in the sixties, that the power with the true, I'll give you the exact law, which is the number of transistors on a processor will double every 18 months.
Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Now that's kind of a technical that makes sense. He's a technical engineer. That's a technical thing. But in effect, doubling the transistors means doubling the computational ability. So he was in effect saying, the power of our computers is gonna double every 18 months. And weirdly enough it did for decades. In fact, I think it's, we're just now coming to the end of Moore's Law. Yes. The sad thing is he never, he was very unhappy about that being attributed to him. He did say it. Uh, but he always said, I'm embarrassed that he finally, I think, got around to accepting the fact that this was gonna be the thing and his obituary. Yeah. The very first thing people would say, you gotta be careful in life. Cuz people remember one thing. And that's the thing that's gonna be the headline of you.
Mikah Sargent (00:04:44):
What will your one thing being,
Leo Laporte (00:04:45):
What will your one thing, uh, be? Uh, amazing fellow retired from Intel in 2006, split his time between California and Hawaii, passed away with his family in Hawaii, uh, this week at, at the ripe old age of 94. Um, kind of a legendary fellow. And you can really thank, I think in many ways, Gordon Moore for, uh, for the computer revolution. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> that we all experienced. So, um, I like to, I like to remember these guys because, uh, we're, we're, we're moving from when I started in all this, it was all new and all fresh. We're moving from that into its commonplace. It's part of your everyday life. You don't think about who invented the spoon or the zipper. Right. It's just part of your life. But I think we ought to, I ought to anyway, because I remember all of this kind of memorialize this as
Mikah Sargent (00:05:33):
I think it's important. Yeah. Especially as, as we continue on, you know, you're talking about Moore's Law coming to an end because of the fact that everything is just going faster and faster and faster. Yeah. And the faster we move, the more you kind of have to throw things to the side. And I think it's best to not throw things to the side. It must,
Leo Laporte (00:05:50):
Might have must have been kind of amazing for him to watch over his years. I mean, he, he, uh, he graduated from college in, in the mid fifties, 1956. He went to John Hopkins. Um, and, uh, he moved to California to join Shockley Semiconductor. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, an early semiconductor company, founded Fairchild, uh, with Robert NOIs. Actually, it was a, it is a very famous six engineers defected from Shockley. And it was considered traitorous by Shockley himself. And started, uh, Fairchild. And then 11 years later, Moore NOIs. And, uh, Andy Grove founded Intel. Actually, I noticed they don't mention Andy Grove in the Intel, uh, uh, piece. So maybe, maybe Andy came later. Uh, anyway, won the presidential, uh, medal of Technology, national techno Metal of Technology from George h w Bush in 1990. Presidential Medal of Freedom from George W. Bush in 2002. Gordon Moore. Uh, r a p, uh, in other news. Other news. Do you, have you heard of Apocalypse?
Mikah Sargent (00:06:56):
I have not. So I'm ex I'm looking forward to hearing about Alyse.
Leo Laporte (00:07:00):
Alyse. Alyse. It's actually a major security flaw that I wanted everybody to know about. Cuz it could, it could bite you. Okay. In fact, I know somebody had bit back in the day, this is 20 years ago, this happened to, uh, one of my co-hosts, I won't name names, uh, on tech tv. She, uh, found a picture of herself that she liked cropped it just for her face and used it on her social profiles. I guess we didn't have Twitter back then, but whatever. Put it out. Uh, and then somebody noticed, oh, it's cropped. And, and found the rest of it. Because this was the problem back in the day. And I can't remember which tool, I think it was probably Photoshop. She used to crop it. Uh, it turned out it had been a topless photo that she had cropped down to just her head. Oh, no. And sad to say, uh, the full photo was revealed as a result of that. So I don't want this to happen to you. Here we are many years later, and the same thing has been noted with a couple of different cropping tools. One is Microsoft's sniping tool. So a great many of you, uh, might be using this. Microsoft put out an emergency update. This is Lawrence Abram's rating, uh, in the bleeping computer emergency update, uh, for the acro Alyse <laugh>. See, crop Get it crop it's apocalypse Yes. With cropping.
Mikah Sargent (00:08:16):
Now. I understand. Yeah. So the idea is that the, uh, deleted pixels are not deleted. They're still in the Yeah. Photo file. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:08:24):
There's just, they put it, the, the cropping tools do the simplest possible thing, which is just say, well, just, the image is just this. Oh. But they don't get rid of the data. Oh, wow. So they changed the metadata. Google's done it too. The pixel markup tool also had the same flaw. This is a common thing. And as I said, it was going on 20 years ago, I think with Photoshop. Um, and you can see that it doesn't, it doesn't modify the file. It just modifies the metadata. So
Mikah Sargent (00:08:52):
<laugh> be aware,
Leo Laporte (00:08:54):
<laugh> be very, very careful. I'm, I'm gonna bet this exists in other tools as well.
Mikah Sargent (00:08:59):
Leo Laporte (00:09:00):
Microsoft and Google have both fixed their tools. But yeah, cropping may change the visible area of a photo, but may not delete the pH rest of it.
Mikah Sargent (00:09:11):
Well, and this is good if you have a photo that you crop and then you want to undo <laugh>. Yeah. You know. Oh, I didn't mean to get rid of all of that. Whoop. So being able to get it back to the state that you had it in, it is kind of odd that they're calling it, it doesn't seem like it's some sort of bug, but rather it is a active choice, right. To Yeah. Keep the rest of it. I think
Leo Laporte (00:09:31):
It, I think you, you nailed it. So they can undo mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Right. Uh, and it's fu much faster, uh, to, instead of resizing, reshaping the image, just change the metadata that says where the image is. Got it. Anyway. Uh, for whatever reason, it's a common flaw. Be very, very careful. Wow.
Mikah Sargent (00:09:47):
I don't think that, I just, I'm just having a thought of how often does a photo that is compromising in other ways are you making a face that is just perfect?
Leo Laporte (00:09:56):
This is so
Mikah Sargent (00:09:57):
Perfect that it needs to be
Leo Laporte (00:09:58):
Perfect. Well, it was, you know, in her defense it was a professional photo shoot. It was, you know, a real
Mikah Sargent (00:10:02):
Oh, got it.
Leo Laporte (00:10:02):
So it was a, so she liked the headshot. Yeah. She just didn't want the, the rest of the rest of it. I don't blame her.
Mikah Sargent (00:10:08):
The rest of the
Leo Laporte (00:10:08):
Story. Finally, finally, oh, very good news from the Federal Trade Commission. Now, it's not a law, it's not a regulation yet, but it wants to, it wants to. And it's put out a request for comment. Make it easy to cancel membership. So how many times have you signed up for something with one click? Well, that was easy. One click sign up for the gym. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Uh, and then, and then you have to cancel it. You have to call somebody. You have to jump through hoops. You maybe even can't find the cancel on the page. Right. There's no easy way to cancel. The Federal Trade Commission is proposing a formal ban on that kind of, they call it a dark pattern. It is. Yeah. I agree. Uh, it wants to make it as easy or in fact, the process to cancel should be identical to the process to sign up. So if you sign up with a one click, you should be able to cancel with one click. I think that's totally right on.
Mikah Sargent (00:11:05):
I agree. Do you think what they'll do is they'll make you have to call to sign up <laugh>? That's their way of getting around. They're like, okay, well, oh yeah. And you're gonna have to call the sign. Everybody does that. If you wanna call to cancel.
Leo Laporte (00:11:15):
Oh yeah, ma. Oh, they could do that. Make it harder to sign up. No, they won't do that. I don't think
Mikah Sargent (00:11:18):
Leo Laporte (00:11:18):
No, they won't do
Mikah Sargent (00:11:19):
That <laugh>. So they're gonna have to change the, the cancel. Yeah. I have had too many subscriptions that, I mean, they know this. They know that a person, uh, will keep it longer because of the friction that is required to get rid of that subscription. And I was talking before the show about, uh, subscription that I still have, and it's old. I don't need it anymore. But I just really don't want to call and have him go <laugh>. But could we get you, could we, could we possibly get you to stay on if we only charge you half the price?
Leo Laporte (00:11:48):
Oh, that's awful. Isn't or half. Oh, that's terrible. Yeah,
Mikah Sargent (00:11:50):
Just let get the
Leo Laporte (00:11:51):
Cancel button. There's, there's another feature, which I think may even be better. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, many companies try to keep subscribers by offering a special deal or a perk. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Uh, and they're still allowed to do that. But they have to offer an upfront opt-out that lets customers bypass. Interesting. The sales. So, you know, there's when you can try to cancel a cable subscription sometime, right? Oh. You'll get sent to what they call a retention expert. And the retention expert's job is to make sure you don't cancel. And they will sometimes give you stuff. And a lot of people play that game, right? Yeah. Just to get the stuff. But if you don't want to have to go through all that, you can, you can opt out upfront. Um, they also, there's another provision. Companies will also have to remind you every year if you're enrolled in what's called a negative option program, cable companies do this also. Uh, where if you don't cancel it, it's a considered an agreement to keep paying. Oh,
Mikah Sargent (00:12:52):
Leo Laporte (00:12:53):
Uh, it's not exactly, uh, auto-renew. I don't, I'm not sure exactly. Anyway, the FTC has opened public comment for the proposal after which it will, if, if everyone agrees. You agree? Right? Yeah. Please. If everyone agrees, uh, they'll, they'll pass a regulation. Um, companies should not be able to manip. This is a FTC Lina Khan Co. Who is now becoming my rapidly becoming my hero. Yep. Companies should not be able to manipulate consumers into paying for subscriptions they don't want. We get countless complaints about this <laugh>. Well, I'm under, I mean, for years. Right. So finally they're doing something. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Maybe you should have listened to those countless complaints. One other thing I gotta mention, did you watch on Thursday, the CEO of TikTok Yeah. Testify in front of the, uh, house commerce and something else committee? Yeah. Did you watch that?
Mikah Sargent (00:13:46):
I watched a little bit of it. Was it painful? And it was incredibly cringey.
Leo Laporte (00:13:50):
It's so painful. The worst part is when a member of Congress, I won't name his name cause it's embarrassing, he said, well, do you, do you attach to a consumer's wifi? And the CEO said, well, what do you mean? He said, well, if I'm at home and using TikTok, is it is, is it looking at my wifi? And Chu says, well, yeah, that's how it works. <laugh>. Uh, we, uh, yeah. Well, there you go. It's looking at my wifi. I think he went on then to say, well, you know, like, do you, do you explore the network? And it's kind of, so it's cringey on one level cuz Congress members of Congress are clueless. Yeah. To me it's more concerning. I,
Mikah Sargent (00:14:31):
If I, if you're going where I think you're going. I agree. Let's see.
Leo Laporte (00:14:34):
<laugh>, uh, well, uh, if there was actually a great article in the New York Times, I think, uh, today about people who have used TikTok to make their careers, to make their living. In fact, it turns out it's hard to become a film director. Right. But there are people, they use one example who have done it themselves on TikTok. It's probably true on YouTube as well, who have been discovered by Hollywood as a result. And my own son has made a living, is making a career out that started on TikTok as a TikTok chef. So I'm a little, I'm a little unhappy. And then of course, there's an article in, uh, tech Dirt by the former, um, head of safety at, uh, Twitter, Yoel Roth, who was summarily fired by Elon, uh, for not doing his bidding. Uh, he says, and this is important, forcing TikTok to separate its US operations.
This is Project Texas. They want Oracle to run their US operation could actually undermine national security. Now this is an, this is so subtle. I don't think even, I didn't even think of this, let alone members of Congress. But y'all says, at Twitter, we were able to find disinformation campaigns because we looked at the global universe of data. Right? If you start segregating data, say this, you'd only, you can't see anything. But the US data, the trust and safety team's gonna have a really hard time because you need to see the whole global universe to catch these guys. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I hadn't even thought about that. Wow. Yeah. I know there's a lot of people who think, uh, maybe rightly so. China is a, is our latest adversary. There are a lot of people in government who want a cold war with China. Uh, and, and their concern is that TikTok can spy on US citizens and maybe even propagandize US citizens.
And maybe all of that is true. But, uh, this is a complicated process. I I don't even know how you ban an act. I, right. I wonder what that even is going to look like if it, if that happens. Can you, can you, I mean, you can kick it out of the app store. You know, you can force Apple and Google to do that, but that's actually a bad idea. Cuz then the app doesn't get security patches. Exactly. People won't delete it from their phone. They'll keep, they'll keep using it. And it could be worse. Uh, you could, I mean, I think all they really could do is tell us entities, you can't deal with China. You can't deal with TikTok. You can't, credit card companies, can't, can't allow payments and stuff. And I guess that would, that would, uh, suffocate TikTok in the US eventually.
Um, but boy, I, I don't know. Do we want to get in that business? Uh, cause it's, uh, where does it stop? You know? Right. And then really the real issue, and, you know, they we're trying to get the CEO of TikTok to agree to doing things. And his problem was, you know, you're not making anybody else do that. So you're gonna disadvantage us, but you're not making Facebook, or you're not making Instagram. You're not making Twitter. You're not making Google. You're, you're not making Amazon do any of these things. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So they're gonna have a, a competitive advantage and privacy isn't protected. He said, we need, and I agree with them, a federal law protecting privacy. That's what we need. If Congress passes that, I'm all in favor. But to single out TikTok is perhaps not the best idea. All right. Enough of my sermonizing, uh, we had to reboot. I, I, we dragged that a little bit cause we had to reboot our, uh, zoom iso. It crashed. So if you want to be in the show, now's the chance. Call dot twi. Do tv. The zoom is open. Call dot twit. Do tv. Uh, where in the world is Eric San Diego? He's just like in his truck. Like normal <laugh>. Or maybe, maybe, maybe he's at home and pretending to drive the truck.
Mikah Sargent (00:18:13):
Leo Laporte (00:18:14):
No, he's bouncing green
Mikah Sargent (00:18:15):
Leo Laporte (00:18:16):
Before the show. I did a little test to see if it really, if it really was him. I played Convoy and he got all excited. <laugh>. He knew. So you knew. So I know he's, he's <laugh>. He's, he's going like this. He's driving a truck. Uh, let's see, what else was I gonna say? Oh, you can also email. Ask the tech guys plural. twit.tv, ask the tech guys twit.tv. Um, but just to make sure everything is okay with the Zoom cuz we had a little issue with it. Let's take a video call. Let's
Mikah Sargent (00:18:51):
Caller 1 (00:18:52):
Hello Leo. Hello Mikah. This is Dan in New Jersey. I have a question about the wifi speed in my home. When I test it using the Verizon app online, it gives me different results than if I use other well-known and recommended apps. It usually gives me about double the speed.
Leo Laporte (00:19:15):
<laugh>, what a surprise,
Caller 1 (00:19:16):
What gives which one is more accurate? <laugh>. Um, right now actually we've got the Verizon speed test running and I'm standing next to the router and let's just see what happens. Look at that. I have also used fast.com to measure the
Mikah Sargent (00:19:33):
Caller 1 (00:19:34):
Owned and the uh, speed test app to measure the speed. And they always give me different results. Yeah, yeah. App. And we'll compare the results. Speed
Mikah Sargent (00:19:45):
Caller 1 (00:19:46):
I thank you very much for your patience. This will be quick wic,
Leo Laporte (00:19:51):
That's the speed test app. I use that a lot. Yeah. Speed.
Caller 1 (00:19:54):
Same test app gave me 426, about half of what the other app was. So I was just wondering if you could explain to me what gives, I look forward to an explanation. The show is great and thanks a lot. Thank
Leo Laporte (00:20:10):
You. I l see that's a good use of video. It is. It's a, we never even saw him. We just saw his screen as he did all the speed tests.
Mikah Sargent (00:20:16):
And this is such a great question too, because this applies to so many people.
Leo Laporte (00:20:19):
Mikah Sargent (00:20:20):
Yeah. And what I, what I love about this is, uh, there are probably some folks out there going, yeah, that's what's happening. Because especially if you have a Verizon, he router
Leo Laporte (00:20:30):
Didn't say, but I'm guessing that he was on Verizon.
Mikah Sargent (00:20:32):
Okla showed that the speed that he was on Verizon test app showed that it was Verizon. So what's happening is, in almost every case, if you are using the speed test made by the company that is your internet service provider or is providing your route, whatever it happens to be, they want to be in the business of showing you the best possible connection, best possible speeds that it can with some bit of a level to back things up. So think about the sort of, what is it, the, the plus or minus the uh, error range. Um, and a third party app like the uh, speed test app from okla or fast.com, which in that case is Netflix. They're going to show you different numbers. What's interesting is fast.com is probably going to show you numbers that are lower than what you may be getting. Because what's happening there is if you're going to fast.com, it's because in most cases your Netflix video is not loading as quickly as you want it to. And so what does Netflix want? They want you to go to fast.com to see that your internet connection is not as fast as you expected so that you reach out to your IP and don't them. You
Leo Laporte (00:21:37):
Are such a conspiracy. It's minded fella
Mikah Sargent (00:21:40):
<laugh>, this, this, but
Leo Laporte (00:21:41):
Think, I don't think that's the case. Let me, you
Mikah Sargent (00:21:44):
Think Verizon's doing not lying? Let
Leo Laporte (00:21:46):
Me, yeah, let me think. Let, I don't think they're lying. But remember if you're using Verizon, that you are in the Verizon network, so you're gonna have faster connections cuz it's not going out Verizon
Mikah Sargent (00:21:57):
Leo Laporte (00:21:57):
Bub. It's not going out on the public internet. Uh, so a lot of what affects your look at speed tests are gonna be all over the place. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, in fact, I often say just use the lowest one <laugh>, right? Because that's the wor the worst case scenario. Yeah. But they're gonna be all over the place. So Verizon is, is gonna give it, but somebody who's not on Verizon might get a worse speed test cuz they're not on the Verizon network. So it really has to do with what server you're going to. And, and this is really critical mm-hmm <affirmative> what kind of connection your internet service provider has to that server. So this is why fast.com is always gonna be different in Netflix. Intends that for you to say for just to test your connection to Netflix, your connection to Netflix may not go on the public internet In many cases.
Netflix has servers inside your ISPs co. Got it. So your may, you may have a very fast connection to Netflix, but not as fast as the outside world. So that really is fast.com is only to be used to see what your connection to Netflix is. Netflix is, and I don't think Netflix is downplaying your speed. It's just that's what, that's what Netflix would be getting. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> if you watched Netflix, not necessarily what you'd be getting if you went anywhere else. You know, if you're watching Amazon Prime, it wouldn't necessarily be that speed. So I think you should do a bunch of them. Okla is fine. That's the one. The speed test.net you can get in the app for. Yeah. Yep. A lot of people lately have been using CloudFlare. CloudFlare doesn't have a, a dog in this hunt it. Right? It's right. That's independent.
Yeah. So speed.cloudflare.com. The other thing I like about CloudFlare is, is giving you other bits of information that actually are very important. For instance, it's not merely your download speed. That's the big number the ISP gives you. It's not merely your upload speed. That's the little number the ISP gets you. And by the way, this is way, I think this is cuz I'm on wifi, but, uh, we, this is, we're on a, at least a gigabit, if not a 10 gigabit network here. But the other thing that's very important are these other numbers latency, which as you know, is the amount of time it sends, maybe you don't know to send data to a server and to get it back. It's kinda like the ping time. And the higher that number you see here, it's 6.5 milliseconds. That's what the MS is. And it also gives you download 23 milliseconds and upload 16 milliseconds.
The, which is interesting cause both of those are higher. So I'm not sure where it gets a six and a half milliseconds. But that's important for things like zoom. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, because latency means how, you know, when you watch, uh, CNN and they're on a satellite connection to, uh, to Belgrade, there's a delay. He says, well what's going on at Belgrade today? Steve? Well, I'll tell you <laugh>, that's latency. Yeah. Right there. It's amount of time it took for the question to get to him for his answer to get back to me. That's the round trip time. That's latency. There's also jitter, and this is very important for streaming. In fact, people don't usually pay attention to this. And most speed tests won't tell you what jitter is. Is one of the reasons I like CloudFlare jitter here. It's 3.21 milliseconds is the, is kind of like heart rate variability.
Yep. <laugh>, that's the best description. They have a little information thing. It it, they say, although median round trip time latency is important, it only paints paints half the picture. It goes up and down. It varies. Right? Because you're only seeing it when you see any of these measurements. It's kind of an instantaneous measurement. Well, jitter is a measurement over a period of time. How it goes ups and down high jitter means a lot of fluctuation in latency. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> bad, fluctuation bad. So a low jitter is actually a, like, uh, is the opposite of heart rate variability, right? Cause you want right heart rate, you want more variability. In this case, in this case, you want less variability. So a low jitter is better. There's one more number on this, which is also great, which is packet loss. And as you might imagine, that's data loss.
So if I'm talking to you over Zoom or, or you're watching a streaming video, those packets come in one after another and get played back, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Ideally they get played back. In fact, they have to in order. Otherwise I'd be talking backwards. So <laugh>, they have to play back in order. But if a packet gets dropped, it's gonna, and you've heard this in digital, a little hiccup or what most programs and streaming things do is they try to just fill in that dropped packet. And so it looks like a stutter or a delay. It looks a little weird. That's, that's affecting your digital sound quality packet loss. If, if you shouldn't have, you should have zero as I do. If you have a a, a noticeable packet loss, it's not gonna be a good connection. It's gonna be bad for gaming, it's gonna be bad streaming, it's gonna be bad for interactive phone calls and video calls.
So this CloudFlare is good because it really gives you, in fact it even gives you a, you know, a a grade video streaming, great online gaming, great video chatting. Great. Um, it's giving you a lot of information. This is important. Server location. The, the greater the distance to the server speed test tries to pick an nearby server. Yep. Yep. The greater the distance to the server, of course the most the less accurate this will be. So, um, you know, I'm on sonic net on this. If I were, which is a 10 gigabit connection, if I were on, um, if the server was Sonic net, I would get a better result. Just as if I'm on Verizon going to Verizon, I'm gonna get a better result than I would get going out on the public internet. So all of this is relevant and it, and it means that you can't just look at a number and say, that's great.
Mikah Sargent (00:27:34):
That's the one number. Now that's the one number, unfortunately. Yeah. There are many, many numbers. And of course if you're connected to an ethernet connection versus a wifi connection, uh, and depending on which version of wifi your phone has, that will also make a difference in the numbers. Since you're all, since you're doing all of these tests from the same device, using the same connection. It doesn't apply in this case. But if you've ever switched between devices, uh, cuz in fact Leo's speed test measurement was different from my speed. Well,
Leo Laporte (00:28:01):
I'm on wifi. Oh, you're on
Mikah Sargent (00:28:02):
Wifi too. I'm a wifi as well. So
Leo Laporte (00:28:04):
Different wifi radios, a lot of
Mikah Sargent (00:28:05):
Things. All sorts of things play into it. There's
Leo Laporte (00:28:07):
One other stat that I say disregard. Uh, and, but a lot of people pay attention to it. And sometimes I think they do it to show that they're really smart. It's called buffer bloat.
Mikah Sargent (00:28:17):
<laugh>, what'd you call me?
Leo Laporte (00:28:18):
Buffer Bloat. You b bloat. I am doing the, uh, speed test at DSL reports, which is one of the speed tests that reports buffer bloat. Let me, uh, let me start the test. Actually, you know, it's interesting. It just gave me an error message. Is it gonna do it? Uh, buffer. The theory about buffer bloat really goes back a few years when, when routers were made with extra ram. So a router has a certain amount of memory, uh, to buffer. Yeah. Browser could not reach any server. Hmm. That might be, I think DSL reports is kind of, uh, uh, maybe going away. It was for a long time. The one I recommended. Now I recommend CloudFlare, uh, buffer, but they report buffer bloat. Notice CloudFlare does not as far as I can tell, unless they,
Mikah Sargent (00:29:03):
Yeah. I couldn't find it anyway. They
Leo Laporte (00:29:04):
Might hide it somewhere. It's less important. It ha it, it, it, five years, 10 years ago, uh, router manufacturers noted rams cheap. I'm just gonna put a lot of ram in. Too much ram in a router is a bad thing. Mm. It's, that's a bloated buffer. And, um, I not, I don't want to go in technical details of it. It's not as much of a problem. In fact, I don't think it's a problem anymore. So for a long time, DSL reports would report buffer bloat and people would come to me and say, I need a new router. I'm getting buffer bloat. Just ignore that. The ones you really care about, up, down latency and packet loss, those are the five. Everything else you can, you can kind of ignore. Um, boy, there's a lot to say about speed tests. I guess my final thing is do more than one do
Mikah Sargent (00:29:53):
More than one.
Leo Laporte (00:29:54):
Yep. And the lowest one is the one you, you, you know, you want to pay attention to. Cuz
Mikah Sargent (00:29:58):
There's a reason why <laugh>, it's Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:30:01):
That's crazy. It might be Netflix, right? Maybe, uh, you don't have a good, because Netflix, if you're, if your i p doesn't have a connection to the Netflix server locally mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Some do, some don't. Then it's gonna go all the way to wherever Netflix server is. That is not gonna be the nearest server necessarily. Right. But it is, it's a good number to know about. If you wanna watch Netflix, that's, that's what you're getting when you watch Netflix. Uh, <laugh>. It's funny though. I think people probably hear a lot like you and you Well see they're fudging the numbers.
Mikah Sargent (00:30:26):
I I, you know what, Leo, you've changed my mind. I will say I don't, I think
Leo Laporte (00:30:29):
Mikah Sargent (00:30:29):
Be, I will say I will not ever trust my is P'S own speed test. Yeah. But the, what you're talking about with the rest of them, I agree with you.
Leo Laporte (00:30:36):
Yeah. Yeah. Uh, hey, guess who's in the house?
Mikah Sargent (00:30:39):
Who's in the house?
Leo Laporte (00:30:41):
The Gizz whizz Dick de Bartolo. Mad Magazine's. Maddest Reuter in our Gizmo wizard. Hello. Dickie D
Dick Debartolo (00:30:49):
Leo. How you doing, pal?
Leo Laporte (00:30:50):
I am great. Join us in the Stargate
Mikah Sargent (00:30:53):
Leo Laporte (00:30:55):
Oh, he didn't have the effect. I like the effect where they zoom. Ooh.
Dick Debartolo (00:30:59):
Oh, oh, nice. Thank you.
Leo Laporte (00:31:01):
Venito Venito controls the tea bar <laugh>.
Dick Debartolo (00:31:05):
Yeah. So Dick, I normally do that here with a Venetian blonde. Yes. <laugh>. I don't, it's little slower. Yes. It's not electronic. Yeah. And now here he is. Hang on. Oh, it's stuck. Hang on. I be within a minute.
Leo Laporte (00:31:19):
Joining us from Disneyland, Dick d Bartolo, uh, we of course get to see you every Wednesday now, which is great. With the GIZ Fish Show. It's only streamed live. So you have to be watching live right after this week in Google. Usually about 5:00 PM Pacific. 8:00 PM Eastern Dick's a night wl. He likes the late night. Uh, yeah. And you can watch that live right after this week in Google. And we love that show. It's a great show. If you're a club member, if you're a member of Club Twit, you can, you can download it and watch it, uh, you know, uh, at your leisure from the, uh, club twit servers. What's now Dick for years has been joining us on the, uh, tech guy show with a cuckoo gadget or gizmo, many of which Mikah has bought. I
Dick Debartolo (00:32:02):
Have. Yeah. Well, you know what you're gonna lo I think you're gonna love this gadget. There were, there's no normally a big toy fair in February, but this year they pushed it back to, uh, I think October. But several toy companies had events the past two weeks. And since Easter, I think two weeks from today, I found something called dipping designs, egg wraps using hydro dipping technology. <laugh> Hydro
Mikah Sargent (00:32:33):
Dick Debartolo (00:32:34):
Mean hydro you mean
Leo Laporte (00:32:35):
You dip 'em in water?
Dick Debartolo (00:32:37):
<laugh>. No, this is really neat. And, and if, uh, you go to my website, you see me dipping eggs. So basically,
Leo Laporte (00:32:44):
Wait a minute. Now before this Go ahead. Was this an Easter tradition in the de Bartolo household that you would Oh yeah. Good. You would color Easter
Dick Debartolo (00:32:51):
Eggs? We did, we did color eggs. Really? Absolutely. Yes. That's cute. And I remember the fun thing was you would buy a clear crayon so you could write something on the egg and the dye would not adhere to that.
Leo Laporte (00:33:08):
Yeah. Wax resist. That's called. Yeah.
Dick Debartolo (00:33:10):
Yeah. So you could name the eggs, uh, for the people who were coming. No, that was a, that was a very big
Leo Laporte (00:33:15):
Deal, huh? I think that's cute. Yeah. Easter's coming in a couple of weeks time to dye those Easter eggs. I see. Just left the house. I stopped <laugh>. Gotta admit it. Well,
Dick Debartolo (00:33:28):
This is a very clean, easy way to do it. So you get 14 designs,
Leo Laporte (00:33:33):
We should say. People are gonna say the lip syncs off. No, no. This is Dick's video from the toy fair at the Dipping Designs booth.
Dick Debartolo (00:33:40):
E Exactly. So you get 12 designs and then you take just a bowl of water, you lay a design on top of the water. Oh. And it takes maybe 10 or 15 seconds that you'll see the design curl up a touch at the edge. That's now time to dip your wand in the water because the wand has a little suction cup at the end, and then you take the dipped wand and you attach an egg to it.
Leo Laporte (00:34:14):
Oh, interesting. This is how, so you're not actually putting the egg in the water?
Dick Debartolo (00:34:18):
Well, you will in a minute. Oh, you will in a minute. Okay. So once you, once you have the, the little wand, the egg on the end of the wand. Yeah. You aim for the dead center of the design. This
Leo Laporte (00:34:29):
Is how they make, uh, custom guitars. Yes. They, yes. I've seen this on TikTok.
Dick Debartolo (00:34:32):
Oh, is it really?
Leo Laporte (00:34:33):
Oh yeah. Yeah. They do a lot of different things with this dipping technology.
Dick Debartolo (00:34:36):
So you look,
Leo Laporte (00:34:38):
Oh, that's so cool. That is a
Dick Debartolo (00:34:40):
Cool one. And then, and then do a little twirl. And then they give you a little smoothing
Leo Laporte (00:34:46):
To, oh, I would get this if the kids were still around no mask. That's so nice. I absolutely, yes. So much easier. And that, and you don't get that horrible vinegar smell. Yes. All over your fingers. Yeah. Oh, this is so, no,
Dick Debartolo (00:34:57):
And, and when I said to the, to the, uh, it was, uh, Carrie, what was her name? I said, well, what does this kit cost? She said, well, it's, it's $10. Yeah. And I w was on Amazon. I'm still on Amazon. It's eight 50 on Amazon.
Leo Laporte (00:35:12):
And how many eggs will this do?
Dick Debartolo (00:35:14):
Well, uh, you get 14 designs. Okay. You get two dipping tools.
Leo Laporte (00:35:20):
<laugh>. So it's a dozen, it's a dozen eggs
Dick Debartolo (00:35:22):
Plus two a dozen eggs. Two screwups. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And you get 12 egg stands. So after you dip
Leo Laporte (00:35:29):
And tore the, no, I didn't notice that. The end of the egg looks kind of raggedy. Yes.
Dick Debartolo (00:35:34):
Well that's why they give you the tool at the end where you will, uh, smooth it out. Oh. They got
Leo Laporte (00:35:40):
A smoosh tool.
Mikah Sargent (00:35:41):
So if she had more time,
Dick Debartolo (00:35:42):
A smoothing tool, smooth it
Leo Laporte (00:35:43):
Out better. Yes. Look at Yes, exactly. You did that little twirl. Yeah. Look at Jean. So you
Dick Debartolo (00:35:47):
I was very good at that. Yes. And then I dropped my egg in the water.
Leo Laporte (00:35:51):
Dick Debartolo (00:35:52):
Yes. But I watched the video and she dipped her dipping tool in the water before she did her egg. Yeah. Dick,
Leo Laporte (00:35:59):
You just ruined. She didn't tell me to do that. <laugh>. No, you ruined your egg. No. Oh no. It's still beautiful. It's still beautiful. Look at
Dick Debartolo (00:36:05):
That. The thing is always put the, the side that you dipped in and the twirling side down. Yeah. In the little egg easy egg stand. Yeah. And it'll be really easy.
Leo Laporte (00:36:13):
And, and now, uh, can you then eat the egg? I mean, it does it ruin the egg? I mean, uh,
Dick Debartolo (00:36:18):
Boy, you know what? I did not eat the egg, but my guess is you could just peel it off when you crack the shell. Right,
Leo Laporte (00:36:23):
Dick Debartolo (00:36:24):
You know, you're doing hard boiled
Leo Laporte (00:36:25):
Eggs, you know, unless it's made at a, you know, Roundup or something. <laugh>.
Dick Debartolo (00:36:29):
Well, well, unless you have a, unless you have a wooden egg. Yeah. It's
Leo Laporte (00:36:32):
Leeching round. Doug m in our, uh, I r c says he need a Grateful Dead version. Which is true cuz it's very, uh, psychedelic. I love it. Oh,
Dick Debartolo (00:36:41):
It is? Yeah. Yeah, it is.
Mikah Sargent (00:36:42):
I like the, the animal print one. That was kind of neat. Yeah,
Leo Laporte (00:36:44):
They got a leopard. Yeah.
Dick Debartolo (00:36:46):
Yeah. The various called dipping designs. If I sit
Mikah Sargent (00:36:49):
On a, a little baby leopard hatch out of it or
Dick Debartolo (00:36:52):
<laugh>, well, I'm not
Leo Laporte (00:36:52):
Sure. Yeah. You know, gotta be careful. It
Dick Debartolo (00:36:54):
Depends on the, for that, for that egg, you need a nine by 12.
Leo Laporte (00:36:59):
Uh, a kid, a kid might say, if I sit on this, will Jerry Garcia Mary <laugh> in an hour. That's cool. That is beautiful. Now I don't
Dick Debartolo (00:37:07):
Think many kids are gonna say Jerry Garcia.
Leo Laporte (00:37:08):
That is also true.
Dick Debartolo (00:37:10):
Just to get
Leo Laporte (00:37:11):
<laugh>. Okay. So, um, alright. I guess the designs are all the same, right? You're not gonna Yeah. This is, this is your choice right there. Although there is a
Mikah Sargent (00:37:21):
They're pretty fashionable.
Leo Laporte (00:37:22):
Yeah. Yeah. They're styling. Yeah.
Dick Debartolo (00:37:23):
They're, they, they're, they're great. Yeah. And then I found one quickie thing that, that I thought Mikah would like, because we, Mikah and I both loved the foam mania stuff. Oh,
Leo Laporte (00:37:34):
He got one for his niece?
Mikah Sargent (00:37:35):
Yes. And she loved Yes.
Dick Debartolo (00:37:36):
Yeah. Oh, the Fo Lan Oh
Leo Laporte (00:37:38):
My, the foam. The Fo
Dick Debartolo (00:37:40):
Lan. Yes. Yes.
Leo Laporte (00:37:41):
Is that different from Foam Mania?
Dick Debartolo (00:37:43):
I think it's from No, it's from Foam. It's, it's from Foam Mania. So they came out now with a little guy called the Foam Mania Quick Shot.
Leo Laporte (00:37:51):
Dick Debartolo (00:37:52):
And that's a little a foam blaster that
Leo Laporte (00:37:56):
Can we get one for the studio?
Dick Debartolo (00:37:57):
That'd be fun. Oh yeah, <laugh>. Yes.
Leo Laporte (00:38:00):
Yes. The engineers are going Uhuh. No. Oh,
Dick Debartolo (00:38:03):
You don't want it on any equipment. But on the floor, after about a minute, it just, uh, dis dissolves into air.
Leo Laporte (00:38:10):
It's just foam. How that looks fun. It's just foam. It
Dick Debartolo (00:38:14):
Is great fun. Yeah, it is great fun. So that's the quick shot. And um, Amazon has a pair of them for 29 99. Oh,
Mikah Sargent (00:38:23):
You can get two. Oh, that's nice.
Dick Debartolo (00:38:25):
Yeah. Well, you need to have, need two. You need to
Leo Laporte (00:38:27):
Bat. Oh, am I gonna retaliate, <laugh>. I have to have another one. Very cool. Dick firstname.lastname@example.org, that's his website. And uh, of course if you go there, uh, you can see the, the stuff he just mentioned. Just click the button. That GWiz visits the tech guys. Does this say the tech guys? Or is this still the tech guy?
Dick Debartolo (00:38:50):
Oh, it's, it's his as the tech guy. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:38:52):
You, you pluralized it.
Dick Debartolo (00:38:53):
Oh, well Myra did for me.
Leo Laporte (00:38:55):
Myra's so good. Myra. She is, she's one of the best s adders ever.
Dick Debartolo (00:38:59):
<laugh>. And, and I have your photo at the top of the te ask the Tech Guys page. Aw, beautiful. Aw,
Leo Laporte (00:39:07):
Well there you go. The GIZ visits, the tech guys click that button to get the fo alanche and all the other things. Everything Dick's ever mentioned on the show Go is here. I mean, it goes, it's scrolling back in time. It's kind of like a archeological dig of weirdo. Let's see, let's go to the last page. Is this the first thing you ever recommended?
Dick Debartolo (00:39:29):
Leo Laporte (00:39:30):
Does your bowl have gyro technology? This is only goes back to 2020.
Dick Debartolo (00:39:35):
Oh yeah. Oh, you know why? Yes. Be because this website started 2020. Oh,
Leo Laporte (00:39:39):
Dick Debartolo (00:39:40):
Yeah, because, uh, Squarespace, I was on like Squarespace one. Yeah. And it was, and it could only be updated with the Internet Explorer and they were facing, oh Lord. It was a, it was a mess. Oh Lord. It was a mess. Oh
Leo Laporte (00:39:53):
Lord. So, so, uh, you're now on WordPress, right?
Dick Debartolo (00:39:57):
On WordPress. Thanks
Leo Laporte (00:39:57):
To Myra. Exactly. Good job, Myra.
Dick Debartolo (00:39:59):
Leo Laporte (00:39:59):
Exactly. <laugh>. You also see a button that says the gadgets I showed on World News. Now Dick does that every month. The, uh, lots of gadgets for that. But the most important button, in my humble opinion, the, what
Dick Debartolo (00:40:11):
The heck is
Leo Laporte (00:40:11):
It Game A chance to win an autograph copy of Mad Magazine Lend end of April. So I'm gonna have a chance bef to get back and, and then really, uh, really address this <laugh>, whatever the, it's obviously a clip of some kind. I
Dick Debartolo (00:40:27):
Leo Laporte (00:40:27):
But what's the thing on the top? I
Dick Debartolo (00:40:29):
Don't know it, it's an avocado pit holder That's ex
Leo Laporte (00:40:33):
Remover. Yeah, that's what it is. Brilliant. So if you figure out what it is, submit your answer. There's all the rules around the website. There are 18 autographed MAD magazines, uh, at stake six for the correct answer. 12 for the wrong answer. Correct. So even if you know it's an alligator pair removal tool. Yeah. Don't say that because you, you're an, you know, you're in, it's a smaller, but on the other hand, thinking strategically, probably a smaller group of guessers people have got it. Right. True. So maybe you have a better chance. I don't know. I'm not gonna say that's up to you.
Dick Debartolo (00:41:09):
I'm not gonna tell you. Matt is hard <laugh>. He's not gonna
Leo Laporte (00:41:12):
Tell us. Kiss wisdom, viz Dick's Wi Weekly podcast with Chad Johnson, the redhead. Awesome. Giz whiz dot two. No
Dick Debartolo (00:41:19):
Longer red. No longer red. I
Leo Laporte (00:41:21):
Know, but I still think of him
Dick Debartolo (00:41:22):
That way. Oh, oh, okay. Okay.
Leo Laporte (00:41:23):
Dick Debartolo (00:41:25):
You know, can I ask a tech question because it, it's happening now.
Leo Laporte (00:41:28):
It's what we're here for.
Dick Debartolo (00:41:30):
Okay. I am in M I R C. Okay. Yeah. Which I am in every time I'm on. Yeah. That's our chat for the first time ever. I see my name, uh, up there with a little cross before it. However, if I try to type to the chat room, a menu comes up that says M I R C Address book.
Leo Laporte (00:41:50):
Dick Debartolo (00:41:51):
And I can't, I can't type anything to the chat room. <laugh>. Oh, weird.
Leo Laporte (00:41:57):
All you can see is your address book.
Dick Debartolo (00:41:59):
All I can see is my address book. And if I close it and try to start it typing again, it pops up.
Leo Laporte (00:42:06):
Quit the app,
Dick Debartolo (00:42:07):
Restart it. And I've already re reboot. I've already rebooted. I've closed the chat and opened it again. What, what app do you use for chatting and irc? Uh, the irc M mr. Oh, you said me my bad.
Leo Laporte (00:42:19):
M irc. Um, hit the control key is somebody the control. Try
Dick Debartolo (00:42:25):
That. The control key. Okay. And now what? Just try typing now.
Leo Laporte (00:42:33):
I don't know. I don't use M irc. Are you on Mac? Okay. Are you on Windows or Mac?
Dick Debartolo (00:42:38):
I'm on Windows.
Leo Laporte (00:42:39):
Uh, I would recommend, uh, hex Chatt instead. Mirc is pretty old. Um, hex chatt.github.io is the free version. Okay. Hex chatt.github.io. I really like it better than irc RRCs kind of almost the original, uh, gooey Merck app, that
Dick Debartolo (00:42:57):
Leo Laporte (00:42:58):
Wow. Yeah. You can see how old fashion is. Looks
Dick Debartolo (00:43:01):
Like a little
Leo Laporte (00:43:01):
Pacman. Yeah. I like, I like Hick's Jet a little bit better. Okay.
Dick Debartolo (00:43:05):
Yeah. I will
Leo Laporte (00:43:06):
Try. I'm not sure what's going on on that one. Dickie d
Dick Debartolo (00:43:09):
Have a face trip. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Will you be back for the next time I'm on in four weeks? Yes. I think you will be back by that time. I
Leo Laporte (00:43:18):
Get back on the 21st, so I'll be here for the show. Oh yeah. You will be on the 23rd I think is the next. Exactly.
Dick Debartolo (00:43:23):
Leo Laporte (00:43:24):
We'll, we'll see you then. Thank
Dick Debartolo (00:43:25):
You Dick. Excellent. Thanks guys.
Leo Laporte (00:43:27):
Bye. I'll wave to Italy for you.
Dick Debartolo (00:43:30):
Oh, okay. Do that.
Leo Laporte (00:43:31):
Gonna be in Rome for a week. I'm gonna see Father Robert. Fun. He's gonna give us a tour of the ca homes at the Vatican. Oh my God. And we're gonna get to eat, eat lunch in the, uh, Jesuit house.
Dick Debartolo (00:43:41):
Leo Laporte (00:43:41):
My God. Which he says, don't get your,
Dick Debartolo (00:43:43):
Ask for some of those free sin cards that he gives away at G.
Leo Laporte (00:43:46):
Yeah. Forgive, forgive you. Yeah. Yeah.
Dick Debartolo (00:43:48):
Get, get the mortal sin cards. Not get outta sins. Yeah. Not the venal sins. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:43:52):
No. Al sins I want. Yeah. No,
Dick Debartolo (00:43:54):
The big one. You want the, you want the mor Yeah, the mortal sins. I
Leo Laporte (00:43:57):
Can handle the venal sins myself. It's the mortal sins.
Dick Debartolo (00:43:59):
Get outta get, get outta hell. Free
Leo Laporte (00:44:01):
Cart. Get outta hell. Free carts. We shouldn't mark, we shouldn't mock. Are you, do you do lent? Do you do uh, are you, are you, are you, are you staying?
Dick Debartolo (00:44:10):
I give up, uh, eating razor blades. It's my thing every year. Smart, smart. Give it up. I've never broken it. It's Good job. Yeah. Bye Nick. Bye bye.
Leo Laporte (00:44:20):
We're both going to hell. I
Dick Debartolo (00:44:21):
Leo Laporte (00:44:21):
Over. See ya. Let's see where Eric, San Diego is today. See if we can identify this locale.
Dick Debartolo (00:44:29):
Leo Laporte (00:44:30):
Locale. Like, looks like Los Angeles. I see the palm trees. I see the palm trees. I don't know where you're, but I hope you're driving safely. We really appreciate. Eric joins us every week now. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and shows us where he's driving. We got a big great big convo, convoy. Ge a beautiful site. You might wanna move over a little bit to that lane. Yeah, there you go. <laugh>, <laugh>.
Mikah Sargent (00:44:55):
Look, you get if your, if your truck not Lane Guidance built in, well Leo Laport will be your lane guidance
Leo Laporte (00:45:02):
Machine. Uh, little bit to the little left. Little bit to the left. Uh, let's do an ad. Uh, let's do some calls right after the ad. Great. I'm gonna, oh, go over to the, uh, table. Actually, I want you to join me. Okay. Because you're gonna help me unpack. Excellent. I have brought mass two massive bags, uh, of bags. <laugh> bags of bags. The bags in the bags to show you some of my small selection of my Bag. Museum. He's got
Mikah Sargent (00:45:24):
Leo Laporte (00:45:25):
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Mikah Sargent (00:49:16):
Room, but just has to join and looks like
Leo Laporte (00:49:18):
We got him. Join us in the Stargate. John, where are you calling from?
Caller 2 (00:49:25):
Zoom meeting. You are in the
Meeting host. Can you hear me? Hello? Hello.
Leo Laporte (00:49:28):
I can hear you, but turn off the screen, uh, reader cuz otherwise it's gonna make me crazy.
Caller 2 (00:49:34):
You have, I'm trying. You
Leo Laporte (00:49:35):
Have my, you have my <laugh> my deepest, uh, appreciation, uh, learning how to use those, uh, the screen readers. Are you blind John?
Caller 2 (00:49:44):
I am, yeah. Um, and I'm the one that, uh, is, that uses the beat warden C that
Leo Laporte (00:49:51):
We, I I I tried the CLI by the way.
Caller 2 (00:49:54):
Leo Laporte (00:49:54):
Did? Finally. Yeah. You, you know, uh, first of all, I did not have to install anything else but the cli
Caller 2 (00:50:01):
No, that's right.
Leo Laporte (00:50:02):
Downloaded it. But,
Caller 2 (00:50:03):
But, but they're using it is is the real problem. Well, if you
Leo Laporte (00:50:07):
Wanna act, it's a command line. Um, and you have to know the command line.
Caller 2 (00:50:11):
No, but, but it's even worse than that cuz you have to, you have to do all kinds of crazy things. You have to encode the stuff. You have to do a lot of different things to, to use it. It's not
Leo Laporte (00:50:21):
Straightforward. Yeah. It may not be the most easy to use thing. I understand why you wanna use it, cuz of course a screen reader is better with a command line than would be with a gooey.
Caller 2 (00:50:29):
Right. But I have another question for today, but I'm glad, I'm glad you tried it.
Leo Laporte (00:50:33):
Yeah, yeah. And I, you know, for a sighted user, it wasn't maybe a more technical user cuz it is kind of geeky. Uh, I didn't have too much trouble using
Caller 2 (00:50:42):
It. You use J you have to use JQ with it.
Leo Laporte (00:50:44):
Yeah, I would to be honest. I mean, yeah, I wasn't gonna stick with it <laugh>, I went right back to Goey
Mikah Sargent (00:50:50):
Caller 2 (00:50:51):
Oh yeah, sure.
Leo Laporte (00:50:51):
Yeah. I think it, I mean I'm glad they offered it and I think it's doable. We should mention Capitalize as Sponsor. Yeah. But that this is, that's neither here nor there.
Mikah Sargent (00:50:58):
Bitton is also a sponsor.
Leo Laporte (00:50:59):
Did I say I meant Bit Word? Yeah. They're both sponsors, but we're not talking about,
Caller 2 (00:51:04):
I I do use the gooey also, but sometimes it's a lot,
Leo Laporte (00:51:07):
You know? Yeah, I can imagine. I mean, you, gosh, I'm, you know, I'm so impressed by people who are able to use computers, uh, with screen readers. That's, that's tough. But, uh, I've tried and I, it's just so hard for me to do it. But obviously you have no choice. So, uh,
Caller 2 (00:51:23):
It's, so anyway, my question today is about I have a, an iPhone and I back up in two places. I back up to iCloud and I also back up to my computer.
Leo Laporte (00:51:35):
Caller 2 (00:51:36):
And this morning I was initiated the computer backup and was almost instantaneous, the computer backup. I just wondered because I hadn't been done, I hadn't been backing up in the computer for a few weeks. So I, you know, I'm just wondering whether it's, whether there's a problem. Do I have to get I amazing or something and check
Leo Laporte (00:51:56):
Back? It might, it might have been an incremental backup. You know, they don't, this is very happen. Yeah.
Caller 2 (00:52:00):
So it, it, it should be an incremental, but it, it was almost instantaneous, which I've never seen before. Well,
Leo Laporte (00:52:06):
Incremental means it only backs up the changes since your last backup, maybe there weren't a lot of changes to back up instantaneous though. Well, it shouldn't be like that. It might be. It
Caller 2 (00:52:15):
Was, it was behalf a minute or something. Really. Oh,
Leo Laporte (00:52:17):
That's pretty, that's, no, that's probably accurate.
Mikah Sargent (00:52:19):
So, and here's the other thing. Depending on how you have things set up, there is a chance that, uh, your system was already connecting with the phone over wifi and may have started that back process.
Leo Laporte (00:52:32):
Mikah Sargent (00:52:32):
That's right. And so then it finished. That's what it, whenever you plugged it in or connected it in whatever way you did. Oh,
Caller 2 (00:52:36):
Really? I didn't, I I, I thought you couldn't do, I thought it would only do with the USB connection. That's,
Mikah Sargent (00:52:42):
No, it's a, so it's a setting you have to enable. That's what it was. But that setting may have been enabled at some point. And so that could,
Leo Laporte (00:52:49):
I think it's enabled by default. Yeah.
Mikah Sargent (00:52:51):
I, I do, I think it as well.
Caller 2 (00:52:53):
Go ahead. Where is that setting?
Mikah Sargent (00:52:55):
Um, well, I don't have, uh, a cord to connect here. Um, it should be in the finder. So actually, I don't know if you're some screen well
Caller 2 (00:53:02):
In, in, in the Finder. Uh, the iPhone comes in, in, in the sidebar table able,
Mikah Sargent (00:53:10):
Um, if, if
Caller 2 (00:53:11):
You're connected by U Ussb, though, it only works if you're connected by U
Mikah Sargent (00:53:15):
Sb. Yes. But the backups can take place, um, even if you're not connected over u s bbc, if you have it set for your, uh, Mac to do backups of your phone. Sorry, I'm trying to find a cable right now so I can
Caller 2 (00:53:27):
Complete. I've never seen that. I'm, I'm using Monterey, but I've never seen the
Mikah Sargent (00:53:33):
Back. Oh, okay.
Caller 2 (00:53:34):
May, may, may, may. Maybe it's different now with, uh,
Mikah Sargent (00:53:38):
Ventura. I just need, uh, lightning to u s bbc.
Leo Laporte (00:53:43):
We're gonna get a cable for you. Um, I think that's exactly right, though. I don't think we need to. I think you, you, so the, and you want that by the way, you wanted to just kind of always back up in the, in the background. Now, I, I think we all have that turned on it. It
Caller 2 (00:53:57):
Doesn't do that though on, uh, on, on my computer. It never does that.
Mikah Sargent (00:54:02):
So yes, this is the first. Well, you
Leo Laporte (00:54:03):
Wouldn't even No. Would
Mikah Sargent (00:54:04):
You, if it right, if it's, if it's doing it in the background Exactly. You wouldn't know. Um, however, I don't, your, your concern, if I'm understanding correctly, is that every time you've done it in the past, it's taken three or four minutes. And for some reason this time it only took a few seconds. Um, have you exactly, have you done another backup since then to see if it's also only taking a few seconds?
Caller 2 (00:54:25):
No, that was just today. So that wouldn't be an experi, you know, an experiment that would tell me anything.
Mikah Sargent (00:54:33):
Um, so yeah, we would, yeah, we'd have to check it. Uh, again, but in your in finder, um, there is an option under options called show. This iPhone went on wifi. And that is if you are backing up to, uh, locally to your Mac and not to iCloud, then when you're <crosstalk>, I have
Caller 2 (00:54:54):
ICloud also enabled as well. Yeah.
Mikah Sargent (00:54:57):
So you're doing these manually? Yes,
Caller 2 (00:54:59):
Yes. I'm doing the, the, the backup to the computer manually.
Mikah Sargent (00:55:03):
Got it. Well, yeah. And that case then, um, you are not experience the, then that's not what's going on. It could be that. Yeah. It was just a, for some reason this one felt was very incremental and didn't have, uh, too much going on. And so the backup was small, but I think, I think you need to kind of see how this plays out in terms of checking the next update and seeing if you get an error or something like that.
Caller 2 (00:55:27):
Okay. Yeah. Oh, okay. I guess so. I guess I can certainly, I guess I can certainly do that. Um, because
Mikah Sargent (00:55:35):
You, you're still backing up to iCloud, so you know, it's not as, tomorrow if everything breaks, you won't have any backup. You'll still have backups. Um, I, yes,
Caller 2 (00:55:43):
But not, not complete ones. iCloud doesn't.
Mikah Sargent (00:55:47):
I understand. Yeah. I, I, I think
Leo Laporte (00:55:49):
Has the encrypted backups, so it's got everything. And
Mikah Sargent (00:55:51):
So what we do one more try, that's what it boils down to. He needs to give it another piece. Yeah.
Caller 2 (00:55:56):
Yeah. I, I use encrypted backups and hopefully it stores everything in,
Leo Laporte (00:56:00):
You know, always you're crossing your fingers kind of a moment with backups. Uh, if they don't give you, and they really ought to a way to verify a backup. Yeah. Then you always are, are kind of, and I think any backup method, honestly should have a little button that says verify. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, in fact, generally what I've recommended in the past, you don't have the option for this with the iPhone, but with backups for your hard drive is only use a system that lets you examine the backup. It's not a big invisible blob, but lets you look at the file structure and, and open a few things. Apple's time machine lets you do that. A lot of, uh, syncing systems let you do that. That's what I want in a backup. Cuz I want, I've been bit, I bet you everybody uses backup, but one point or another has been bit by thinking they were backed up and then trying to restore from the blob and, uh, saying, oh, it's not there, or it's not working, or it broke.
And so I understand, John, why you're upset, nervous, because hey, you, that was only 30 seconds. Did I get it? But Apple provides no way of verifying that. You got it with amazing, you can look at the backup, can't you? Yep. So it's backing up to a folder that's a, that's actually got the folder structure. Exactly. And I want, that's what I always want with a backup. I wanna be able to look in the folder, see it looks like everything's there. Open a few things just to sample it. That gives me a lot more reassurance that we did get a backup. And you, and this is a Apple always is gonna air on the site of ease of use for consumers, but that's not always the right thing to do. I Amazing is again, another choice. Now I have to bring up Martin from last week. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, did you see his email? I
Mikah Sargent (00:57:32):
Leo Laporte (00:57:33):
And he says, I amazing doesn't solve his problem. He wanted to get, he had years of messages with images in them, and he wanted to not only back up the messages, but get the, get to the images. Was there were, were you able to come up with a suggestion
Mikah Sargent (00:57:46):
For him? No, I don't have one yet. Yeah. That's something that's gonna require more research. Because essentially what he, what what Martin was wanting was not to, it, it worked for the backups that were stored locally, um, on whatever drive he was using Yeah. For his computer. But he wanted to be able to get what was available in iCloud. And the only way that I've seen to be able to do that is by giving a third party application your Apple ID and your Apple ID password, and letting them essentially log into your iCloud account. And then some way they're able to download, uh, what's stored in iCloud. I don't know if it's like they're making some sort of pseudo phone that then downloads it. Right. But I don't feel comfortable doing that myself, giving my apple ID and password to a third party. So it's not something that, but you
Leo Laporte (00:58:34):
Could do that. But you he could do that. Marty could do that.
Mikah Sargent (00:58:36):
Yes. Yeah. I just, you by the way, I, I feel irresponsible even recommending
Leo Laporte (00:58:39):
It. We kind of made fun of his, uh, his neck tie. Yes. He said,
Mikah Sargent (00:58:43):
Tie guy now.
Leo Laporte (00:58:43):
Thai guy. He says, hi, it's Ty guy. He says, uh, he, he's not a lawyer. <laugh>. He is a retired engineer, therefore, by definition, a data hoarder. Yeah. We're all data hoarders these days. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, let's go to Richard aka a talk to me guy. <laugh>. I don't know. Is that, is that helpful to hear that? Talk to me guy. I'm pushing the buttons, but nothing happens. Let me do it manually. I think I can do him. Uh, I can join. Get him to join us manually. The old school way. Richard, talk to me. Guy assigned to on air in a moment. Richard, you're going to, uh, be moved to the Iron Air room. There we go. Hi, Richard. Where are you? There we go. Where's talk to me guy from
Caller 3 (00:59:30):
I'm old chef guy.
Leo Laporte (00:59:31):
Oh, <laugh>. What's talk to me guy mean?
Caller 3 (00:59:36):
That's my website and that's, oh, I should remember remembered. I produce on, I produce events online for people. I should remember radio show every Sunday morning.
Leo Laporte (00:59:43):
That's right. Uh, how was your show this morning?
Caller 3 (00:59:46):
It was good. Good. It was a little wandery because I was talking with somebody who's doing work in microdosing. That's all I'll say. <laugh>. Oh,
Leo Laporte (00:59:53):
Well, we're never wandery. And we don't even need microdosing to, not to <laugh> be that way. A good wandery.
Caller 3 (00:59:58):
Yeah. No, actually, you triggered a question when I was listening to you earlier about TikTok. Yes. And I'm addressing this to you, particularly because you are do such great triangulations in the past. Thank you. And I looked through the return of those. Do you think that things like TikTok are gonna move us away from long form conversation?
Leo Laporte (01:00:19):
Well, I mean, look, you and I are old guys. Yeah. Uh, it's pretty natural for the older generation to look at scans at the younger generation's stuff. You're, you have stayed very hip. Um, but remember when we were kids and parents said, cut your hair and turn down that rock and roll music and Oh, yeah. And all that stuff. I think there's, so Utah <laugh>, the state of Utah just passed an anti-social media law. Oh God. This was one of the things that was really annoying, uh, about the congressional testimony from the CEO of TikTok was the members of Congress saying, think of the youth, the teenagers, their minds are being rotted by social media. This is a crisis, uh, an epidemic. And in Utah now is gonna require social media firms to get parental consent for children, by the way they define children as anyone under 18
Caller 3 (01:01:18):
Leo Laporte (01:01:19):
To use social media apps. So there's two problems with this. Utah is gonna require age verification. How do you get age verification for a 17 year old?
Caller 3 (01:01:31):
Leo Laporte (01:01:31):
Uh, you know, if they have a driver's license, I guess. Yeah. But if they don't, uh, and then second, the parents are gonna be responsible for keeping 'em off between 10:30 PM and 6:30 AM Talk about an intrusive state law that is just guaranteed to make kids, even the governor of Utah said, well, kids are smart. They're gonna get around it. Yeah. Yeah. Nitwit. So, um, I, I, look, I think we probably should have laws protecting our privacy. Uh, I don't think we should have laws telling the American people, having government tell the American people what they can and can't do on their iPhones or their Android phones. That's none of their business. And, uh, you know, it's bad enough that Apple tells you what you can't and can't do on iPhone. But I don't think government should get in that business. So, uh, that's me. That's me talking. And so, uh, do you, do you do TikTok? Do you put, uh, you know, your talk to me guy? Um, on No, I don't,
Caller 3 (01:02:33):
I don't post anything to TikTok because A, I'm not a video guy. I'm a voice. Yeah. And b, I'm, I'm a long form person. I, I think
Leo Laporte (01:02:42):
When I Yeah. It's not
Caller 3 (01:02:43):
Leo Laporte (01:02:43):
Hour. Yeah. Right.
Caller 3 (01:02:45):
Leo Laporte (01:02:45):
Right for me. And I don't do stuff like, and
Caller 3 (01:02:46):
People keep saying, yeah, yeah. People keep saying, oh, you should post some stuff to TikTok. And I'm like, what would I post to TikTok? That's the guy that I interviewed this morning. Brian Chappa.
Leo Laporte (01:02:54):
He looks like he's microdosing, so he does, no, I'm just kidding. So, um, no, he does, there is <laugh> there is a lot of, uh, spiritual self-help, self-awareness content on TikTok that's actually great. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's short form. But I mean, now those TikTok can be 10 minutes. Uh, I dunno what the maximum is. I think maybe a 30 minutes even. But that's not the point, is that this is how people under 25 communicate. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And now Richard, I'm not saying you should do anything about it. You don't need to if you don't want to. But honestly, there are a lot of people who are doing that. And there are a lot of people who get a lot of spiritual value out of TikTok. It's not for me or the governor of Utah to decide that, that, oh, well you shouldn't use it after 10 30 at night. Uh, or you should get your parental parental permission. 18.
Mikah Sargent (01:03:44):
Yeah. That's wild. Wow.
Leo Laporte (01:03:45):
18. None of your gosh darn business. I
Caller 3 (01:03:48):
Have bad words for that.
Leo Laporte (01:03:50):
<laugh> me have me too, me have bad words too. <laugh>
Caller 3 (01:03:53):
Me have bad words. So, no, I really, what I'm, I'm not opposed to TikTok. It's just, uh, part of it is that I've also done shows interviewing doctors who are talking about the dopamine bump from the, the, I understand. Of the feed and all that. I'm not anti TikTok. I'm just looking
Leo Laporte (01:04:07):
At, would you ban microdosing?
Caller 3 (01:04:11):
Leo Laporte (01:04:11):
Would you ban marijuana?
Caller 3 (01:04:13):
Leo Laporte (01:04:14):
Well, think about the micro, uh, the effect on your dopamine of those two practices.
Caller 3 (01:04:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree.
Leo Laporte (01:04:21):
Uh, and honestly, uh, you know, I, I'm not saying there's no effect from social media on kids. My daughter's 30 and she says, oh, dad, gen Z, they're a mess. <laugh>, all they do is stare at their phones all the time. And I said, you're old for your age, <laugh>. You shouldn't be acting like that till you're my age. You kids today get, talk to each other. There's even an ad. I saw an ad for a fast food restaurant where a mom is sitting at the table with all her teenage daughters looking at the phone. She said, in our day, we used to talk to one another. And I understand that, but I really, I don't know. What do you think? You're a young guy. It's
Mikah Sargent (01:04:57):
Tough because sometimes I'm Abby, sometimes I'm, uh, yeah. Like, it's, it's hard. It's hard because I do, and in an overall sense, I do have a sort of minor concern about the lack of information that we have as human humans on the effect of this much stimulation over, you know, a a period of, of, of a child's youth while they're developing, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And I do wonder what you're talking about here, the change in attention span mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but it's all sort of a vague, um, kind of question mark for me. It's like, how is this going to affect things? What will this do? And until we have that research in place, especially the, you know, sort of peer reviewed journals that are looking at child psychology and are paying attention to how this has an effect, I'm reserving judgment there. Because yes, I think that either case, those things can become a little too judgmental because those three kids who are sitting at the table at the restaurant, and she says, we used to talk to each other. You find out that the one kid is talking to their friend, they're talking, you know, they're talking to me.
Leo Laporte (01:06:10):
They're talking to each other. Yeah. So it's just how they do. Yeah.
Mikah Sargent (01:06:13):
That's where I, I'm just, I, it's just a big question mark for me. And it's, it's not something that I'm, I'm not willing to be dismissive of any of the viewpoints yet, because I don't think we just have enough information. So Yeah, I agree with you that that is a question that I have. And I also agree that, uh, sometimes it does come across as, as Erish sounding. And I can be boomer. Um, you know, I have lamented the sort of my, my, my niece, uh, my mom was just telling me that she has her tablet, she loves her tablet, and they have to tell her sometimes that the battery's dead and it needs to charge
Leo Laporte (01:06:46):
<laugh>. You can't live on it, ma.
Mikah Sargent (01:06:48):
Yeah. Cause she, and she wants it back. You know, I, I'm
Leo Laporte (01:06:50):
Gonna go a step farther. Even if we learned that this is bad for kids, it's none of their business.
Mikah Sargent (01:06:54):
That's what it, you're right. You're right.
Leo Laporte (01:06:56):
It's none of their business. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and it's parent's business. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's, uh, a parent has the right to say to their kids, put the phone away. We do that. Uh, we, we used to, when we went out with, uh, the teenagers, say, everybody stack your phone in the middle of the table, the first person who touches the phone has to buy dinner. <laugh>. That works, by the way. That's fine. <laugh>. It's not government's job. And Yeah. It's not heroin. Um, right. No. You know, and I, and I'm really, it's, I grew up in an era you did too, Richard, where we were told by the March of Dimes that, uh, L s D would cause birth defects. Oh yeah. Kids were jumping off of buildings cuz they thought they could fly. And all of that stuff was propaganda and, uh, and was damaging honestly, in the long run.
I think it was damaging. Yeah, I agree. So, I, I, and you know, it just irks me that this so-called party of small government has now intruding into our lives more than ever before. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> more than any other government, you know, they really wanna reach out and say what you can and cannot do with your body. It's none in their business. And, uh, if you know, I mean, you know, maybe we're gonna find out. I guess we could find out. I don't think we will. That social media is the equivalent of heroin. And there are, uh, children, uh, in the, on lying on the curb sleeping outdoors because they can't get off TikTok. Maybe we'll learn that. Maybe then we should think about doing something about it. They say, well, it'll be too late then we gotta ban it now. No. Get out of, get out of our lives.
That's none of none of your business. I guess in some ways I'm turning into a libertarian. There are some things the government needs to do. They need to maintain the roads so that Eric can freely drive down the highway. <laugh>, uh, you know, they, uh, there's certain thing they should regulate the airwaves. I think that's appropriate. They need to tell, uh, companies to make it easy to cancel instead of, you know, making it hard to cancel. There's some things I think government has a, has a, a right to do, but there are also some things government should just stay the hell out of. And to me, I'm on a soapbox here, but that's just one of them. And,
Caller 3 (01:09:06):
Uh, no, I agree with, as I say, I'm not opposed to TikTok. It was just an observation of that.
Leo Laporte (01:09:11):
No, I'm glad you brought it
Caller 3 (01:09:12):
Up. Blip blit universe.
Leo Laporte (01:09:14):
Well, it is. And for us it's like, uh, oh, that's creepy. But it's not for us. It's for them. Yeah. Yeah,
Caller 3 (01:09:21):
Yeah. Okay. And so now my real question is, <laugh>. That was fun. Thank you gentlemen. That was great. Um, I'm still looking for a software based sound cart. Oh yeah. Well, I called before and we talked about this. Y'all misunderstood what I was saying.
Leo Laporte (01:09:37):
Oh. Cause I showed you the stream deck. But you said you don't want hard, you're saying you don't want hardware.
Caller 3 (01:09:42):
I'm, well, no. All I wanna manage is sounds ju Just think, Leo, think about the radio station in, in Cannery Rowe. Yeah. I want the sound cart on the wall. There you go. I I also did a show on that same station.
Leo Laporte (01:09:53):
No, was it, was it K and b y at the time? Or was it k n r y?
Caller 3 (01:09:58):
It was k n r y.
Leo Laporte (01:09:59):
Yeah. They changed after I left, but, uh, yeah. Wow. Those are the days. What
Caller 3 (01:10:04):
A It was an opium den. Uh, really. Um, but I'm looking for a sound cart, but a software sound cart. Was that for
Leo Laporte (01:10:10):
People before our time? Way before our back in the day way.
Caller 3 (01:10:14):
Even though I'm really old, way before my time <laugh>. And so I'm looking for a sound cart that I can manage cuz I produce shows for guests that use different effects every
Leo Laporte (01:10:22):
Week. But you want it on the screen, you know, like a sound board. They used to call 'em sound
Caller 3 (01:10:26):
Boards. Yeah. Sound board, right. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:10:27):
You could search for sound boards. You'll see there are lots of sound boards out there with soft buttons that you press. So you want something that you could have on the screen. I made one for John c Devork back in the day. He, uh, he of, uh, at the time, a very short attention span. So we did a radio show just like this together was called, uh, Devork on Computers. It was how I got started in this kind of podcasting. No, no, no. It wasn't podcasting. This was the early nineties. Gotcha. This was how I got started in computer ra talk radio. I was doing regular talk radio before that John would get so bored. You know, his, he, so I gave him a soundboard so he could play sound effects. And I had thousands of sound effects in there. So I'm sure there, I haven't looked lately, but I'm sure there is soundboard software.
Caller 3 (01:11:09):
You and you just wanted to do like sounds, are you wanted to actually tune? No, no, no. It's sound. No, I produce, I, the events that I produce for people are like live radio. So if they want to insert an interview or a comment or something from an outside person, I have a board where I know that it's cued when they're gonna talk about this. I play that sound. I get what you're saying. Or I insert the music. So it's like a soundboard.
Leo Laporte (01:11:33):
Yeah. It's not, you want to start
Caller 3 (01:11:34):
Instantly. So it's transitory.
Leo Laporte (01:11:35):
Yeah. In, in the old days of radio, we'd had cart machines. You would jam this what looked like an eight track into a machine. Yeah. And then when you press the button, it would start exactly right. Yeah. And then when it was done, it would req itself to the beginning so you could play it again and again, there is a free program open source called v p Sound Effects. Okay. Uh, I th I just looked this up. No, wait a minute. I might be wrong. Uh,
Caller 3 (01:12:02):
Leo Laporte (01:12:02):
Yeah. It's, but well, it says Mac, Linux, and Windows on the, on the search. I just did. Okay. Um, here's one soundboard.com, which I guess is a collection of soundboards. I wonder if they have
Caller 3 (01:12:16):
Software. There's a lot of soundboards for theater. I've worked with a theater person and she
Leo Laporte (01:12:19):
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. They're very ex very nice expensive ones. Alex Lindsay has one that he recommends it not, not only controls sounds, it controls light cues, everything. Right? Yeah. Yeah. But that's, those are expensive.
Caller 3 (01:12:31):
As soon as I hear his name, I know it's gonna cost you
Leo Laporte (01:12:33):
Too. <laugh>. Yeah. It's at least a couple elements.
Caller 3 (01:12:35):
I love him, but No, no, it's, yeah. A
Leo Laporte (01:12:37):
Couples, um, I, I think there is open source, but the key is that you need to know the term you're calling a sound cart. It's a soundboard. Okay. And I think if you look for, uh, exp soundboard, da soundboard, other free software for Mac os Linux sounds like this. Are you on GitHub? Uh, I'm on Reddit. Oh,
Caller 3 (01:13:00):
Leo Laporte (01:13:00):
So, so there, <laugh> one of the great things about Reddit, in fact, a lot of people now do site reddit.com before they do searches. Um, somebody uses team speak, soundboard board. Um, I feel like this is such a trivial thing and, and something that like every Twitch per, that's why this exists, by the way, the steam the stream deck, because, uh, people on Twitch wanna be able to do, and it's not just sounds they want to be able to, you know, switch cameras. They wanna be doing, able to do all these things. So this so goes to software on your Windows or Mac and, and lets you do that. Um, you, you don't want to do this though. I mean, this would be the
Caller 3 (01:13:43):
Easiest No, because it changes too often under, it's every week it's a different set. Yeah. You
Leo Laporte (01:13:47):
Just load, but you, so, so you can have pages, which is really nice. And you can have on, uh, you can have a page, and this is for the Thursday show. You have the three sounds that you wanna do. It's very easy to load that using the software. Uh, the nice thing is it's not occupying the computer screen. That's the reason this nice to have
Caller 3 (01:14:04):
Hardware. That is true. So
Leo Laporte (01:14:05):
You're gonna have your, you know, do all the other things you're doing. This is why the, honestly, in the long, it is very, very easy change. This is what you want.
Mikah Sargent (01:14:12):
Yeah. It's easy to chase.
Leo Laporte (01:14:13):
It's super easy to change in the long run. This is what you want. And you don't have to get a big one. They make 'em with six buttons. They make 'em with, uh, you know, different sizes. But in the long run, that's what you want. Because it's just like a cart machine. You want to have a queue up, you hit it. Yep. It'll play. You can stop it. It
Caller 3 (01:14:28):
Leo Laporte (01:14:29):
Yep. It does cross fading. So you can have five sounds at ones and cross fade 'em if you want. Nice. I think if you try El gado e lg a t o.com. Okay. Slash stream deck, uh, if you try them. But I have to say there are a million. Here's another one from the irc, scooter X found podcast soundboard.com. And
Mikah Sargent (01:14:49):
I'm, so you said you know of Rogo Miba, right? Yeah. What was wrong with Farrago?
Caller 3 (01:14:55):
It's a, a screen hog. Ah,
Leo Laporte (01:14:58):
Well they all are.
Caller 3 (01:15:00):
It's just a monstrous screen. Hog
Leo Laporte (01:15:02):
<laugh>. Yeah. A lot of them are full to be full
Caller 3 (01:15:04):
Screen. Like I even complained to them and said, what, are you kidding me? It's taking me over half my screen. Got it. And they're like, oh, well, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it, I, I had used, basically that's what they said. I had used a, uh, Ambrosia software as Sound Cart for years since Macworld, but they went under, it went away and disappeared and it broke.
Leo Laporte (01:15:23):
Here's the, uh, podcast soundboard.com, the best soundboard app, web, Mac os, windows, iOS, Android. Um, you know what? I see what you're saying. It'd be nice to have it almost to be like a little doc on the side here that pops up. Yeah. With your button down. I need
Caller 3 (01:15:38):
A single column would be
Leo Laporte (01:15:39):
Perfect. Yeah. You don't need to waste a lot of, uh, energy on that. Um,
Mikah Sargent (01:15:42):
If you don't, if you don't wanna invest yet in the physical stream deck hardware, if you've got an iPhone or an Android device, you can get the stream deck app, and it basically makes your phone into a stream deck.
Leo Laporte (01:15:55):
Oh. You don't even need to buy hardware.
Mikah Sargent (01:15:56):
So you wouldn't even need to get the hardware. You can get that a
Caller 3 (01:15:58):
Try. Oh, I love that
Mikah Sargent (01:16:00):
Solution. Then it's off the screen. So you, you, you don't have a screen hog. Oh. And then you can decide, oh, I love this enough that I'm actually just gonna go ahead and buy the hardware. So yeah, go into the app store, whichever one you use, and look up Stream deck there. It is a subscription. Um, but I mean, it's, excuse me, it's like $3 a month. There's
Leo Laporte (01:16:21):
A lot of free sound boards, but this is the one I think you really want.
Mikah Sargent (01:16:23):
Really. I think you get a trial too, so, yeah.
Caller 3 (01:16:26):
Okay. That's a great idea.
Leo Laporte (01:16:27):
Caller 3 (01:16:28):
Have, I have all sorts of tablets around me. I can set it
Mikah Sargent (01:16:30):
Up. Ah, yeah. And that's even better on, it's
Leo Laporte (01:16:32):
Perfect on an iPad, really. In fact, we have this identical, uh, uh, output that's on my hardware stream deck on an iPad as well. Okay. And it's just buttons on an iPad. That's a really, another good use for it. You don't need the hardware, just the software. Uh, yeah. Uh, we're also gonna put a blog post of Scooter X found from riverside.fm, which is one of those, uh, double end podcast recording tools. Yeah. It's actually a very good one. Um, on their blog, how to amp up your show using a podcast Soundboard. And they have some recommendations. <laugh>, uh, there as well. It looks like there are ways to do this, that it's just a menu rather than being a big long, you know, big thing to take over the screen. Um, so give that a shot. Okay.
Caller 3 (01:17:17):
Thank you gentlemen.
Leo Laporte (01:17:18):
Thank you. I, you know, everybody should listen to your show. It sounds like. Uh, it's kind of good for the soul.
Caller 3 (01:17:25):
Well, and I lean really, my, my thing is the environment that's always, I'm always moving toward could we pay attention to the environment? Maybe. Don't you think it would help?
Leo Laporte (01:17:34):
You know, honestly. Okay. Now you're gonna get me on another tangent after the latest Happy to un report the I PCC report, uh, where basically they said, you know, we're not gonna be able to stop it. Uh, we're gonna hit 1.5, uh, degrees, uh, Celsius. It's, and if we don't act immediately, we're gonna hit two degrees Celsius, which has catastrophic impact globally. Yeah. Um, I feel like there isn't a single more important story in the world. We talk about a lot of other stuff, but it's hard for me not to just say, we gotta fix this and we don't have any time. Yeah. And you know what, Richard, you and I are gonna be gone before it's a problem.
Caller 3 (01:18:12):
Yeah. That's the
Leo Laporte (01:18:13):
Problem. But our kids and grandkids won't.
Caller 3 (01:18:16):
I, I don't even have kids and I, not in a bad way, I just don't have kids. And I just think it's mind blowing that we can't pay attention to like, could we stop treating the ocean like a toilet ball?
Leo Laporte (01:18:27):
It's very human. Uh, we don't, we don't see the problem until it hits us in, in the face. Yeah. Which it's stewing <laugh>. Yeah. And we'll really do soon. Ooh, sound Health radio. It's talk to me guy com. Oh,
Caller 3 (01:18:40):
Talk to me guy. Yeah. That's me. Thanks. Thank
Leo Laporte (01:18:43):
You, Richard. Thank you. Always a pleasure.
Caller 3 (01:18:44):
Have a great weekend.
Leo Laporte (01:18:45):
We are gonna in a little bit, I'm gonna go show you all of the, some of the packing that I've done. You know, here am I talking about climate crisis. I'm gonna get on a cruise ship, which is about the worst thing you can do, <laugh>. But I'm gonna show you, it's our last one, by the way. I canceled all the other ones cuz I felt really guilty about doing these things. Uh, we do buy, um, carbon offsets, but I don't think that's enough. Um, but this is one last trip, but I'm gonna show you my packing. My packing. And then next time we're gonna row everywhere. <laugh> we're gonna row as we go. We're gonna row. Hey, speaking of travel, Mr. Johnny Jet is in the Star Gate. Wow. Johnny.
Caller 3 (01:19:27):
Johnny Jet (01:19:29):
It's been a
Leo Laporte (01:19:30):
While. First of all, my friend, I'm so, was so sorry to learn about the passing of your father, who we've been following for years through his ups and downs. I am sure your heart is broken. I know you loved your dad. Yes. And we're sorry to lose him. Uh, 90. How old was he?
Johnny Jet (01:19:48):
Leo Laporte (01:19:49):
94. That's, yeah, that's the good. You know what? That's a good, I'd be happy to get to 94. Listen,
Johnny Jet (01:19:54):
I, I would sign on the dotted the line right
Leo Laporte (01:19:56):
Now. Yeah. If I could get to 94
Johnny Jet (01:19:58):
And he was ready to go. I just, it's hard. Obviously. It's hard. It's hard to even talk about him. But
Leo Laporte (01:20:02):
You, you know what? I have never seen anybody more devoted to his I agree, dad. Yeah. Uh, you would travel all the way out there onto the East coast frequently. You just were a great son to him. And, uh, and the good news is you got time with him. Yes.
Johnny Jet (01:20:16):
Uh, I am very fortunate and also thankful for FaceTime, especially during the Pandemic. He was in Florida, I'm in California. And it made such a huge difference. I mean, literally, it saved his life. FaceTime.
Leo Laporte (01:20:28):
Yeah. My, my mom too, you know. Uh, I FaceTime her every week and uh, yeah, you gotta really enjoy your loved ones while they're around cuz there's no guarantee they'll be around forever.
Johnny Jet (01:20:39):
Yeah. And we always thought he was gonna be around forever cuz he kept coming back. He's amazing. Not in nine lives. Literally. Yeah. He beat Covid three times a month ago. He fell, had a brain bleed.
Leo Laporte (01:20:50):
Johnny Jet (01:20:50):
They thought he was done. He got, he got back, actually it was like two months ago, and then he fell again. And, but anyway, anyway, he, he, he was ready to go, let's put it that way. Yeah. He told me he loved me and he said, and he, he said, I'm gonna be with your mom soon. And he smiled. Oh. And, uh,
Leo Laporte (01:21:06):
Yeah. Well, we've, we all feel like we knew him. Uh, and uh, well thank you.
Johnny Jet (01:21:11):
Leo Laporte (01:21:12):
Johnny Jet (01:21:13):
Yeah. Thank you very much.
Leo Laporte (01:21:14):
Uh, I, as you know, I'm going to Europe in about a week. I will be in Lisbon one week from today.
Johnny Jet (01:21:22):
You've been before, correct?
Leo Laporte (01:21:23):
Yeah. Never been to Lisbon. You'd
Johnny Jet (01:21:24):
Never been to Lisbon, Portugal.
Leo Laporte (01:21:26):
I've been to Portugal. We've, we, we've been Porto, Porto, Mao and the Algarve for a day. Okay. Um, we're going to a lot of places we've been to before, but there's some highlights. I'm very excited. I've never which hers li uh, silver Sea. Okay. Uh, so we spend a few days in Lisbon. I've got a tour, I do tours by locals, which I really like. Yes. Book to book to woman who's gonna show her our, show us her Lisbon, which is way to do it. What I want a local. She grew up there. She's born and raised. Uh, and she's gonna show us her Lisbon, which I can't wait. Neat. Uh, then we're gonna visit some places I've always wanted to go to. We've been to Tangier Morocco before, but we've never been to the Blue City. So we're gonna go to the Blue City. It's a bit of a bus ride, but we're gonna get there. Uh, I want to take pictures. I'm bringing cameras cuz I, this is gonna be incredible. We, uh, I've been to Barcelona many times, but never got to go inside Las Familia. The famous gaudy church, which they have been building for a hundred years and are still building.
Johnny Jet (01:22:25):
Same for me. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:22:26):
I've never been inside. We got tickets to go inside. Excellent. So I'm very excited about that. Uh, there's a little town in France called EZ Z E, which is just outside of Monaco. We've been to Monaco many times. We thought, let's take the little train to EZ and go up on the mountain. And there's a Michelin two star restaurant on the hot in the top.
Johnny Jet (01:22:45):
I've hidden there.
Leo Laporte (01:22:46):
Yeah. La the golden goat. Lache door. La door. So we're gonna go there. Uh, so we have
Johnny Jet (01:22:53):
Touristy, but it's, it's great.
Leo Laporte (01:22:55):
I know it's touristy. Everywhere we're going is a little bit touristy. Yeah. I mean, listen, we're going, if it's Portofino for Crown out Loud, the ultimate touristy. But uh, then the best part is we're ending, uh, our trip with a week in Rome. And Father Robert, who will be at N A B the first part of the week is coming back so we can spend some time with him. And he says he's gonna get us into some places. Uh, I
Johnny Jet (01:23:16):
Bet the Vatican City.
Leo Laporte (01:23:17):
Yeah. Yeah. So I also books some
Johnny Jet (01:23:19):
Tours by local if you have more time. Yeah. Go down, take the train down to, uh, Naples and then go out to where my grandparents are from, uh, ishk the island. Aishia.
Leo Laporte (01:23:29):
Yeah. Oh, I'd love to. We won't be
Johnny Jet (01:23:30):
Next. It's next to Capri.
Leo Laporte (01:23:31):
But I, you know, Steve, what I've decided is the problem with cruises is you're one day in every place. So what I've decided from now on is we're gonna stay, go somewhere and stay there and really get to know it. That's from now on. Right. So this is the beginning of that. But yeah, next time we'll go to Naples Poli. I would love to spend two weeks in Naples and you know, really get to know.
Johnny Jet (01:23:49):
You don't really wanna be in Naples. You want to go on?
Leo Laporte (01:23:51):
We'll go to
Johnny Jet (01:23:52):
Ishka. You wanna go to the Mai coast? You wanna go to Ishk? You wanna go to Capri?
Leo Laporte (01:23:55):
Johnny Jet (01:23:56):
Um, so that's the way to do it.
Leo Laporte (01:23:57):
Uh, we'll, we'll
Johnny Jet (01:23:58):
Definitely. But listen, cruisers are great because they do give you a So
Leo Laporte (01:24:01):
Whitman sampler. Right,
Johnny Jet (01:24:02):
Exactly. And then you can pad choose which one you want. Different one every day. Different try. Yeah. So, for sure. And, and
Leo Laporte (01:24:09):
Silver Sea is a very nice, there's only 600 people on, uh, it's a smaller boat. So it's, it'll be fun. It'll be a lot of fun.
Johnny Jet (01:24:16):
And when we're talking about international travel, by the way. Yes. Uh, you know, they said Blinken came out, secretary of State saying make sure that they're having an unprecedented time of, um, passports. Pe they're getting 500,000 applicants a week. Whoa. Which is 30 to 40% more than the previous year. So if you, right now, if you're gonna travel international this summer, go find your passport. Look at the expiration date. If it expires within six months, some countries like Italy require six months and you really have to have at least three months. For sure. Even if you're only going for a week and it expires in five months from now, they won't let you in. So go find that expiration date. If you do need it, send it out. Cuz right now it takes 10 to 13 weeks, you expedite it. It's seven to nine
Leo Laporte (01:25:03):
And it's expensive.
Johnny Jet (01:25:05):
Yeah. It's not that much more. I think it's $60 more to a Oh is that than Oh, okay. I think so. It's not much more. Unless you really do really
Leo Laporte (01:25:12):
Expedition. There's a couple hundred bucks. One for like overnight.
Johnny Jet (01:25:15):
Yeah. It's like three 50.
Leo Laporte (01:25:16):
Johnny Jet (01:25:17):
At least. What's the point of an expiration date if you don't honor an expiration
Leo Laporte (01:25:21):
Date? Well, they do, but what's weird is they, you want it six months before, so then
Johnny Jet (01:25:25):
It's, that should be the
Leo Laporte (01:25:26):
Expiration. Almost all countries do that. And I think the reason is they don't want you to be stuck in country without Exactly.
Johnny Jet (01:25:32):
In, in case you get hurt or something. Something like gets hurt. You don't want, they want, they don't wanna be responsible for you. So Yeah. Um, double, double check that. And I'm sorry to cut you off.
Leo Laporte (01:25:42):
No, no, no. This is good advice. We have checked our passports. Both of them expire next year. So we got plenty of, plenty of, uh, plenty of, uh, runway in our passports. But, uh,
Johnny Jet (01:25:53):
And protect them. Make sure there's no rips or anything. So I just saw online, someone's like, oh, I've ripped a page out. Is that okay? No, no. That passport is no longer valid.
Leo Laporte (01:26:02):
No. Oh man. Why would you
Johnny Jet (01:26:03):
Rip it? Jack, Jack did that to my wife's. She had it lying her own, he ripped out the back page, which had nothing on it. I go that passport's no longer valid. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:26:12):
Cuz they wanna know where you've been. Cause some countries are, they won't let you in if you've been somewhere they don't like. So they definitely wanna see all of those stamps. And if you rip one out, that's kind of like admitting there's something on that page. Yeah. Cool. Where'd you go? I don't see what you
Johnny Jet (01:26:24):
Don't want us to see. Yeah. And another tip by the way, speaking of passports, make sure that when they stamp your passport, if they do, some of them are not stamping them now. Yeah. Make sure they go do a good healthy stamp on there. Because one time I was transferring, I was flying from Port to Frankfurt to Doha and the, uh, the, uh, agent in, um, in Frankfurt's like where's your, where was your entry stamp? And I had so many stamps in my passport. It literally took 'em about 20 minutes to find like a little light stamp and I almost missed my flight. Oh.
Leo Laporte (01:26:52):
Johnny Jet (01:26:52):
My, they don't mess around. So make sure you have a good healthy stamp in there.
Leo Laporte (01:26:57):
Johnny Jet (01:26:57):
Leo Laporte (01:26:58):
Wow. And don't get phony entry stamps cuz there are plenty of tourist places. I was inia and I got a stamp from the southern most post office <laugh> in the world. And that's not a real post. And you shouldn't do that in your passport. No, I, I was, uh, I think I got one in the Falkland Islands and I got one at Machu Picchu. Machu
Johnny Jet (01:27:17):
Picchu. Yep. And they also do one in the Cook Islands at the uh, uh, barefoot, um, beach. I can't remember what it's called. And I was like, no thank you. Just snap
Leo Laporte (01:27:25):
Johnny Jet (01:27:25):
Leo Laporte (01:27:26):
A piece of paper. Don't do Yeah. Put it on my forehead. Yeah. So I will not get, well I don't know. Do you have to have a passport to enter the Vatican City? That's its own country, isn't it?
Johnny Jet (01:27:34):
It is it's own country. It's the smallest country in the world. Yeah, you do not,
Leo Laporte (01:27:38):
I would like to get a stamp maybe from there.
Johnny Jet (01:27:40):
I don't think there's anyone that's gonna stamp it. I
Leo Laporte (01:27:42):
Just find some random person.
Johnny Jet (01:27:45):
You never know. Your, your, your buddy father might be able to do it.
Leo Laporte (01:27:49):
I think I'm hoping I, you know, this is in my back of my mind that maybe cuz you know, he's Father Roberts, uh, Jesuit and so is the Pope and the Holy Father apparently comes over for dinner sometimes. Wow. Wow. And I'm kind of hoping that maybe we can be there at the same time. Did they choose
Johnny Jet (01:28:05):
New anyone? None. No. The
Leo Laporte (01:28:08):
Pope did not die.
Johnny Jet (01:28:09):
No. It, it was, well, Pope Benedict died. It was an
Leo Laporte (01:28:12):
Old Pope. Oh yeah. Not the new Pope. I don't follow these things closely. <laugh>. Not at all. We're going
Johnny Jet (01:28:17):
To hell not
Leo Laporte (01:28:18):
Twice now on this show. Um, I will show you my app of the week. You wanna see my app?
Johnny Jet (01:28:23):
I love to hear it. And I have other stuff that do,
Leo Laporte (01:28:25):
I've mentioned. Yeah. And then you do yours. I've mentioned this before to you, I think it's called Polar Steps. It comes out of, uh, Holland, out of the Netherlands. It's an app that lets you track your, your voyages. Uh, and what it does, which is really cool, is you put it on your phone and turn on the gps so you don't have to manually track it. I can choose a, the trip to Cancun. It could also bring in pictures from your trip and even do a diary. What's nice is it's a free app and the way they make money is creating travel books. But they make it so easy to create a beautiful travel book. Neat. That you might, you know, there's nothing like having a travel book, uh, you know, printed out compared to just on your computer mm-hmm. <affirmative> so that you can see, you know, where you've been.
And it'll actually, you can use it as a journal. So you can put text and polar steps and then, uh, create a book with your text and your pictures. And it's really, really cool. Uh, you, you're completely in control of privacy. You can have it only be for you. You can have it be for only people you follow and you, or you could have it be, uh, public. Um, because I have no privacy. I have made this a public, uh, trip. This was our, uh, our Christmas trip. But they do a really nice, uh, little book that's so cool that you can print of all your, of all your, uh, pictures and so forth and any text you add as well. So I, uh, I've, I've used this before, but uh, I decided to make this one public so people can, can follow us on our, uh, journey.
Polar Steps. So it's on the web, but it's also an app for iOS and Android and it's free. They make their money from the books, I guess. And you know, I'm always nervous cuz I'm storing something in somebody else's place, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So you make, I always keep, make sure you keep the pictures. Print the book, then you don't have to worry. Uh, but they've been around I for at least five years now and they're still active. They just got updated a couple of weeks ago, so I know they're still, uh, doing it. So I think that's kind of fun.
Johnny Jet (01:30:29):
That's a great one. I think I wrote about it a long time ago. I can't remember
Leo Laporte (01:30:32):
It. I might have learned about it from you to be honest. I might
Johnny Jet (01:30:34):
Have learned about it from you, so, but, um, I, I do remember hearing about it. Yeah. But I never used it. There
Leo Laporte (01:30:38):
Are a number of these, there's journey, there's quite a few travel journals and I've tried a few of them trying to find the right one. Um, this one has most of the features, uh, that I, that I want. Um, ideally, you know, it'd be something that wasn't owned by a company, but I don't know how you do that. You have to write it yourself. I guess. What's what, give us an app,
Johnny Jet (01:30:58):
Um, or website. Well, you know what I have since we're talking about travel, international travel and domestic travel. Um, TSA not too long ago came out with, you can text them. So I I've talked about how you can always tweet them and they're great. Like last week or couple weeks ago, my sister was in Florida and she's like, can I bring an orchid on to the plane? I'm like, oh, that's
Leo Laporte (01:31:17):
A good question.
Johnny Jet (01:31:18):
But, but I was like, don't trust me. Ask, give it directly from the horse's mouth. So I said, all you gotta do is ask tsa, that's their handle. A sk tsa, excuse me. And, um, they will tweet you back within, within 10 minutes if it's during normal working hours.
Leo Laporte (01:31:35):
Oh, that's great.
Johnny Jet (01:31:36):
Which is, uh, between 8:00 AM and 6:00 PM East coast time. And I tweeted them and said, Hey, can my sister bring an orchid on the plane? And they, they wrote back within four minutes.
Leo Laporte (01:31:44):
Johnny Jet (01:31:44):
But you can also contact them via Facebook messenger, apple messages. And now they recently added text message, uh, text. So all you do is, uh, text travel to ask tsa. And that number's 2 7 5 8 7 2, which is pretty
Leo Laporte (01:31:58):
Johnny Jet (01:31:59):
Nice. Because so many people have so many questions about can I bring this through? And actually this week, uh, there was a big debate about peanut butter and they, they really stirred the
Leo Laporte (01:32:07):
Yeah. Is peanut butter a, uh, paste a liquid?
Johnny Jet (01:32:10):
What? They count it as a liquid.
Leo Laporte (01:32:12):
It's a liquid. So you can only bring three ounces,
Johnny Jet (01:32:14):
Leo Laporte (01:32:16):
Johnny Jet (01:32:17):
Although I think these lick, I think this liquid rule is going to be, uh, going away soon thanks to new technology. And it has in some airports in Europe.
Leo Laporte (01:32:25):
Yeah. It's funny, every time we go somewhere, they change the rules. Like choose no. Yes. Possibly iPad. No. Yes. Maybe. It's constantly changing. So I'm very careful as we go through the t TSA line of face. So what do we have to do today to find out ahead of time? Uh, of course I have tsa I have a global, um, entry. Entry. And so, but, but Lisa does not, so I I'm not gonna go, uh, see you later. I'm just gonna go on this short line over here.
Johnny Jet (01:32:53):
You gotta get her to get it.
Leo Laporte (01:32:54):
Uh, yes, I know I do.
Johnny Jet (01:32:55):
Makes a difference coming back. She says
Leo Laporte (01:32:57):
She will. She says she will. I know it'd be a big difference.
Johnny Jet (01:33:00):
And are you going through Heathrow at all?
Leo Laporte (01:33:01):
Johnny Jet (01:33:02):
Okay. Well that's good. But if you did, when I go through Heathrow, I make sure I have everything outta my bag. I'm talking every electronic cord, every you know, camera and even even your lip balm you want to take out, because they will hold you up. They either not care if you're gonna miss your flight. Nope. And it could take 40 minutes just for them, at least for them to go through your bag.
Leo Laporte (01:33:24):
We are, uh, we've got, it's weird. We've got a nonstop to Lisbon on t a p, the Portugal tap, Portuguese National Airline. So I don't have to worry about that. On the way home there, my travel agent said, thank you Jane, by the way, she's the best travel agent ever at travel store. Uh, I said, uh, she said, there's no direct flights to San Francisco from Rome. I said, what are you nuts? She said, no, there are no direct flights from Rome to San Francisco. What? Big city. Big city. No d Lots of Italians. No direct. Nope. So we have to stop.
Johnny Jet (01:33:56):
So you going through La
Leo Laporte (01:33:57):
Johnny Jet (01:33:58):
Okay, so you flying American,
Leo Laporte (01:34:00):
How did you know? Whoa. He's Woo. Listen to those Johnny Jet, the Jet Whisperer. <laugh>. Yeah. Is that their hub? Is that why?
Johnny Jet (01:34:08):
Yeah, it's one of their hubs.
Leo Laporte (01:34:09):
Johnny Jet (01:34:10):
What kinda aircraft is that by the way? From There's usually not a, they usually don't fly great aircraft. Like is it a 67? What is
Leo Laporte (01:34:16):
It? It's probably some crappy, I don't know. No, hopefully
Johnny Jet (01:34:18):
It's a 7 87 or, or a triple 77, 300. But I doubt it. I think they,
Leo Laporte (01:34:23):
How would I find that out, Mr. Travel expert?
Johnny Jet (01:34:26):
Um, just, you should, you can go on American's website real quick and just type in that flight.
Leo Laporte (01:34:31):
Okay. Isn't there a website that will tell you everything you need to know about your Well,
Johnny Jet (01:34:35):
Google Flights will also tell you. Tell you. But whatever
Leo Laporte (01:34:38):
Happened to like,
Johnny Jet (01:34:39):
I like getting it from the horse's mouth. Wasn't there Guru?
Leo Laporte (01:34:42):
Isn't there Seat guru.com place?
Johnny Jet (01:34:45):
But they want, yeah, actually I think on their app you can put the flight number in and um, and they will tell you. But I can just quickly look and I'll be able to
Leo Laporte (01:34:53):
Well, I can also, now I use and I do recommend I know you do too. I use Trippe and I'm a Trippe plus Trippe Pro subscriber. So I'm gonna guess if I look at my Trippe plan, don't show this on the screen. Cause I don't want, uh, people to know all the details of my, they
Johnny Jet (01:35:08):
Fly a 7 87. So you're,
Leo Laporte (01:35:10):
Is that good? It's great. Yeah, that's great. Okay.
Johnny Jet (01:35:12):
In low 7 87, especially if you're upfront, which I hope you are. And
Leo Laporte (01:35:16):
Johnny Jet (01:35:17):
7 87 s a great plane,
Leo Laporte (01:35:18):
So, okay. Oh, well that's, that's the to Philadelphia link. Uh,
Johnny Jet (01:35:22):
Yep. You're leaving at 10 o'clock in the morning. 10 10. How do
Leo Laporte (01:35:24):
You know that?
Johnny Jet (01:35:25):
Wow. So fast.
Leo Laporte (01:35:26):
I didn't tell you
Johnny Jet (01:35:27):
Anything. I'm Johnny, I'm Johnny Jet. He's Johnny Jet <laugh>.
Leo Laporte (01:35:31):
Of course he knows it. He's the plane whisperer. Okay. One
Johnny Jet (01:35:34):
Time I was sitting next to a passenger on the plane, and this is like 15 years ago, and I was getting messages about, I said, oh my God, our flight's gonna be delayed. I told the passenger next to me, he's like, no, it's not. I I know, I know the pilot. I go, listen, I I know this. I, I think I got a, I signed up for text message. It was brand new. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, 10 minutes later, the captain got on said, you know, I'm sorry folks. Our plane's gonna be delayed, you know, the same amount of time. I told him. And he looks at me and he goes, who are you? I,
Leo Laporte (01:35:58):
I'm Johnny Jet. That's who? Johnny Jet. So did you, um, uh, do you, how do you do that? Did you have to have a friend in the system?
Johnny Jet (01:36:08):
No, this was, this was just, you could sign up to text messages. I, I was like brand new. Oh, all
Leo Laporte (01:36:12):
Johnny Jet (01:36:13):
And, um, I used to tell GATE agents, I said, listen, the flight's delay. They're like, no, it's not. No it's not. I was like, yes it is. And then, no, it's not. 10 minutes later, sure enough, um,
Leo Laporte (01:36:21):
I always have the app for the airline. I'm flying on my, uh, phone and get the alerts from that. That usually is helpful for sure.
Johnny Jet (01:36:28):
Um, and I, I talked about flighty before. Flighty
Leo Laporte (01:36:31):
Johnny Jet (01:36:33):
Leo Laporte (01:36:33):
Yes. Yeah. It's, uh, not free.
Johnny Jet (01:36:35):
That's, that's what No, it's not free for your first trips.
Leo Laporte (01:36:37):
Johnny Jet (01:36:38):
Yeah. Verse one. Yeah. But that tells you everything. But it also kind of makes you paranoid because it'll tell you, okay, your, the, the equipment's been changed. Same the different tail number. But what I like about it, and also by the way, what I recommend besides flighty app is to sign up for a seat alert. Even f even after you get the seat that you want. But let's say you really want an exit row aisle, or you want the bulkhead, whatever seat you want, you can set a seat alert or you can set a seat alert for the seat that you're already in. So you know, if you've been moved, if the airline changed the equipment, that way you don't show up to the airport and they're like, oh, we changed the equipment. You're now in a middle seat. So you can find out right away if, um, you've been
Leo Laporte (01:37:17):
Moved. Here's my, uh, my flighty screen. It's all ready to go with my flights five days away. By the way, we're going out, I don't know, is this a good plane? A three 30 dash 900? Neo?
Johnny Jet (01:37:29):
Yeah. A three 30. I don't love it, but it's, but it's a nice wide body. That's what Hawaiian Airlines flies. Yeah. Actually they don't fly the Neo. Oh, the Neo is a new engine optimization.
Leo Laporte (01:37:39):
Oh, that scares me.
Johnny Jet (01:37:40):
<laugh>. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Leo Laporte (01:37:42):
<laugh>. I always, I, airplanes are funny. You always want the old and tried and true Trustee, trustee. Johnny, we love you. You are our hey, our guru. You are the airplane whisperer. And, uh, we're just so glad to see you. I hope you'll make this a regular, uh, stop. I
Johnny Jet (01:38:01):
Would love to listen. You would not believe how many emails and, and tweets I get from, from your listeners saying, when are you gonna be on Leo? I said, listen, anytime they ask me, I'll come
Leo Laporte (01:38:11):
On. Well, we'll make sure it's a monthly, monthly thing. You know? I have, I have six people I gotta get on. So <laugh>,
Johnny Jet (01:38:18):
Listen, anytime. I'm happy to, I just came back from my son's, uh, soccer game. I just cruised home.
Leo Laporte (01:38:23):
Oh, thank you. Thank you. Are you, where are you going next? Anywhere. Interesting.
Johnny Jet (01:38:26):
I gotta go to my dad's funeral.
Leo Laporte (01:38:28):
Oh. So where's that gonna Interesting. In Connecticut. Okay. Okay. Well, actually
Johnny Jet (01:38:33):
We're not even gonna have a funeral. We're having a, a memorial because he lived with a great long life. We're gonna make everyone wear pink shirts. His favorite thing. Yes.
Leo Laporte (01:38:40):
Johnny Jet (01:38:41):
Gonna to wear colored sunglasses.
Leo Laporte (01:38:42):
Yeah. Oh, that's
Johnny Jet (01:38:44):
Awesome. And we're just gonna tell stories. So
Leo Laporte (01:38:45):
Party. Yeah. That's the way it should be.
Johnny Jet (01:38:47):
We're not having a wake or any, we're not doing all this crazy old Italian stuff that Okay. You know, they used to we're having fun. He, we we're, we're very fortunate to have the guy, the big man for 94 years.
Leo Laporte (01:38:57):
Give my love to your sister too. She's great. Thank you. And I know that two of you have done a great job taking care of, uh, dad,
Johnny Jet (01:39:04):
Leo Laporte (01:39:04):
Yeah. Thank you Johnny. Thanks much.
Johnny Jet (01:39:06):
All right, you guys. Take care. Have a great trip. See you. Thanks. To hear
Leo Laporte (01:39:09):
About it. See you later.
Johnny Jet (01:39:10):
Leo Laporte (01:39:11):
Byebye. I, I forgot about flighty, but I have it on here. And Good. I just, and I think there has an Apple watch. Uh, it
Mikah Sargent (01:39:17):
Does. Thank you. Yeah. When we had some people coming in to visit us. I was able to tell them, Hey,
Johnny Jet (01:39:21):
Your flight's gonna be a little late, or, Hey, this is where we're gonna let people
Mikah Sargent (01:39:24):
It so cool up at the gate. Yeah. It's got so much info. It's really
Leo Laporte (01:39:27):
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You probably can't, you know, you can't get it online. I got this when we were down in San Diego at the Hotel del Coronado. It's Coronado leather, but if you're ever down there, this is like a saddle bag. Isn't that nice? And you could tell I've been used it a lot. And so, you know, I I don't want it to look like I'm carrying a purse, right? Oh, where'd you go? There you go. I don't want it to look like I'm carrying a purse. I, so this, I kind of wear messenger bag style. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> slung over, it's a saddle bag, right? It's masculine <laugh>. It's manly. It has one of the things I really want in every purse or bag. I don't know how you feel, but I lose keys. Yep. So this has a hook. Yes. Give me some sort of, for keys is not going anywhere.
Absolutely. So that's really important. Uh, it also has some appropriate little slots for a wallet and, uh, pens and the checkbook and stuff like that. It's not big enough for, uh, travel. I wouldn't take it on an airplane. Uh, I'll show you some of the things I'm taking on an airplane. But that's for, to answer that guy's question. That's my, that's my purse. This is something everybody should have when you're traveling. This is a Scott Eve travel vest with 41 pockets. This has pockets in the pockets. That's all right. This has, I don't need to hear it. What do I need to hear? I got pockets in my pockets. Look at this. Now, I won't be wearing an over a jacket. Okay. But whenever I'm going through the tsa, this is the thing, because you can take half of the stuff outta your bag and stick it in the pockets.
There's pockets here. This is a zipper pocket for your tickets. This is for your passport over here. And then it's also nice to have as you're going around if you're visiting sites and stuff, because you, it's, you got everything you need, right? You've got everything you need. But also it gives you a little warmth without sweating bullets, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, because it's a vest. Some of them, some of the Scotty vests have sleeves. You can zip on if you want to do that. I have a few of those, but I highly recommend these. I'm a a big fan of Scott Eves and all the pockets in there. Wow. Like crazy. You can hold your phone. Now. There's one thing I did on our last trip when we went to Mexico. I was all excited. I would got my new AirPod Pro two and I was all excited about bringing my AirPods with me.
And they fell out of my pocket. No <laugh> getting into the car I got on the airplane. And where's my, where's my AirPods? So I have purchased a lanyard to put my AirPods around my neck and in, in this case. So there are a number of people I'll nomad sells 'em quite a few. No more goods.com. Quite a few people that sell these. This is my AirPods and I will have them with me. Nice. Anything I really need, like a toddler hang around my neck. <laugh>. Right? You won't miss it. It won't Well, it fell outta my pocket. Yeah. That would make. And and it's funny, we came home and I, I told Lisa, I said, I, I forgot my AirPods. We got home and we pull in the garage and says, is that your AirPods? I said, oh my God. They fell outta my pocket.
Like at the last, they jumped outta my pocket. They clearly didn't want to go to Cancun. All right. Now they're two big travel bags. I recommended. You remember me talking about duffle bags? This, these are, uh, squishable. So you can put 'em in the overhead compartment cuz you can really squish it down. Squish it down. This one's from Redox. Very popular for some reason. All these travel bags seem to be made in wilderness areas. Uh, lots of pouches. It's redox. So it's got red liner. So that's great. Lots of the zippers are really hefty, super good zippers. And, uh, alternative ways of carrying it. This one you can sling over your, your, uh, shoulder or you can carry it with the handles. This does not have a backpack feature, unfortunately. But this is a classic. I think a lot of people, you know, here's my problem.
I go on redditer somewhere or read an article, unwired or in Gadget. The guy says the best bag in the world is the redox. So I get it. Yeah. But the problem is, I forget, I have 30 other bags. <laugh> now I got 31. This is really a nice thing to have. And actually the only unfortunate thing, uh, is that this doesn't fit the new iPad Pro. This is for an 11 inch iPad. This is the, this is ground stuff. You know, this stuff from the San Francisco leather. But look at this for just putting your iPad in. It's got a protective vinyl here. Your iPad goes in this slot right here. Room for business cards, room for pens, room for everything you need. If you want a little and a little handle too. Yeah. Nice little fo an iPad carry. It still smells amazing.
It's, I know, but unfortunately I've outgrown it. My iPad, many, which I love is too small. And my iPad Pro is too big. Yeah. This is for an 11 inch iPad. But, uh, they, they are great. You should always carry with you a wet bag. If you're gonna be near water. This is a, or a dry, I guess they call 'em a dry bag cuz it doesn't get wet. But it's very important to have a waterproof bag. Th this you seal up. You wouldn't take this on the airplane unless you think you're gonna be, uh, visiting the ocean on the flight. <laugh>. But if you go, do, go. And, you know, a lot of times when you're visiting places, there's a boat ride to somewhere and you want to take stuff with you. It's great to have a wet bag. You seal it up and then you roll it up and then you lock it down and it cannot got it.
It stays sealed. So I call 'em wet bags. They're really dry bags. And this is from Earth Pack. A very one. That's vinyl. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I've dunked it. Dunked cameras in it. And if you bring cameras, you really want to have something that's gonna seal 'em. What else is in here? This is like captain and kangaroos. Oh yeah. Now this is a small, uh, man bag, I think very nice from Duluth Trading Company. They make some good stuff. This is inexpensive. Has lots of pouches. Has the thing that of course I mentioned that's very important, which is a key chain, uh, holder. It's got lots of slots, cloth, uh, liner, which is kind of nice, you know, sometimes having cloth instead of leather or worse vinyl. But it does have a very nice
Mikah Sargent (01:50:51):
Oh yeah. Special pouch.
Leo Laporte (01:50:52):
Special pouch for your iPad or your laptop. This is suitable for slinging over your pack. Uh, your, uh, back. Um, this would be a good travel bag to take with you if you're wandering,
Mikah Sargent (01:51:03):
Looks at it. Bulks out if you need it
Leo Laporte (01:51:04):
To. Yeah. And it can, it can hold a lot of stuff that's kind of in between mine. Now. I highly recommend this. Lisa got this for me one year. This is a must have. If you're gonna go somewhere and you wanna leave your stuff and have it be safe. This is the original lock tote. L O C T O T E from Industrial Bag Company. The way this works, it's, it's a very nice padded bag. It's actually waterproof. You could put stuff in it, but what's great about it is you pull it tight and then you lock it down and once it's locked down, no one can get into it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you can use it as a sling, uh, backpack. You can use it over your shoulder. But the idea is, if you're gonna go somewhere where there are people who might steal your stuff, but you wanna leave stuff behind. I actually got this for CES because, uh, you know, sometimes you're in the press room and you wanna walk around. Isn't that nice?
Mikah Sargent (01:51:58):
Yeah. That has a And it, it's fashionable too.
Leo Laporte (01:52:00):
It's, it's somewhat,
Mikah Sargent (01:52:01):
Well, I know it really, like, this is a good style, like modern styl style for sure. And I like that the ropes are a lot thicker. Cuz a lot of times these bags, they have these really thin, no,
Leo Laporte (01:52:09):
This is good. You should put this on. And then when you lock it, you, you pull it tight and then you lock it to the strap, no one can open it up. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So it's really, uh, a good, safe place. And of course you take, you know, the padlock, you can change the combination and so forth. Lock tote. Lisa found that probably an Instagram.
Mikah Sargent (01:52:27):
Yeah, it does sound. Have that vibe.
Leo Laporte (01:52:29):
I'm guessing you know, that she saw that and said, oh, Leo really needs that. Let me see if there's anything else in here. Well, of course I am bringing my camera. I'm gonna bring one, one camera. <laugh>. John, were you making faces at me? Throw the bag around. Yeah. Oh no. This is, this stuff is, this is my Leica q2. This is not an inexpensive camera. It's a Leica. Yeah. And notice you can't tell it's a Leica cuz I put tape over the red Leica dot. It's, and I've purchased, by the way, this is from Italian, Italian company. This beautiful leather camera cases. Wow. And braided things. But there's a reason I got this, because if I put this around my neck, I look like my dad walking around in 1967. <laugh> as a tourist. Right? Click, click. They don't know that I've got a very fancy, very expensive camera.
This like a, is a great street camera. You know, Joe from New York. Our street photographer uses this like q2. It's a fixed lens. You can't change the lenses that saves you some money. You don't have to buy an additional lens. It's F 20. Uh, or rather it's a 28 millimeter F 1.7. So it's relatively fast, wide angle perfect for street photography. Uh, it's very simple. I'm not gonna bring my fancy camera with a lot of lenses. I want to keep it simple. So I'm bringing this like a Q2 on the trip, and I think I'll get a lot of nice street photos. I'm making Lisa bring the fancy expensive <laugh>. All right. I'll show you in more modern bag. This is the one I recommended to our caller. Uh, very similar to the Red Ox. This is the Pilsen duffle. Remember we mentioned the Pilsen duffle last week.
And this one does in fact, uh, have, uh, in, in it backpack. I love that they're hidden away. But you can make, you can get these out. These are backpack straps. So you can carry it on your back. You can carry it slung around your shoulder, or you can carry it with the handle. So it has that flexibility. This is perfectly, uh, appropriate for, uh, uh, carry carryon baggage. And it has a special padded compartment. I'm not sure, I like the idea that it's on the bottom, but there is a padded compartment, so you can have your laptop in here as well. Oh, nice. Ta. Yeah. And there's a lot of room. So you could bring a much bigger laptop, uh, if you want to, but, but don't throw the bag on the ground. Uh, it has waterproof lining all the way around it. Nice.
In fact, it even has, and this is kind of a nice feature, uh, a rain, uh, uh, cape kind of sheath thing. So you can, if it starts to rain and you're carrying around, you can take that, put it over the top of it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and keep the rain out. I mentioned the grid. You know about the grid system. This is the grid, um, that is just, these are elastic and you could put anything underneath them, including that's a power adapter, couple of cables, that kind of thing. Before we leave, this will be loaded up. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And this is nice because it will go in the slot of any backpack. Uh, I, it also has a little pouch here. I put u SB keys, dongs, things I need to keep track of in there. This is another, uh, device that I found, um, recently that I'm gonna take with us.
But of course, power's always the issue in Europe. Yes. Um, this is kind of an interesting device from Anchor. You know, this device, the popup? Uh, yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So it has two features. One, of course, you plug it in, it gives you two extra plugs and it gives you two u s BBC and two U S B A power adapters. But it's also a battery. So you can disconnect this and take it in your pocket. And now you've got a charger, battery charger. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So this, this kind of does double duty, uh, giving you more plugs in the hotel room. They're never enough plugs in the hotel room. Uh, and also if, if I'm in a European capital, I can use an adapter on this. And so it'll gimme two us plugs plus the four usb, you know, for, I don't know if four USB is enough, but, you know, iPhone, apple Watch, laptop, maybe.
Maybe it'll be enough. You know, I have a couple extra plugs there, so I'm gonna bring that one A as well. Let's see, what else do we have in here? Oh, I mentioned that I am not bringing a, uh, fancy camera. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, besides the lico, which is fancy, but, uh, not, you know, elaborate. But I am gonna shoot some video. We talked a little bit about me being the, uh, doing some influencer video on here. So let me show you. Oh, this is a bag you can't have. This is the Tech TV's 2001 staff bag. It's a messenger bag. I brought it, not to show off so much, but to <laugh>, although it's true but's sling bag. It's a, it's a messenger bag. Uh, so it goes over the front like this. So this is a really nice bag. It's of any bag of this type mm-hmm.
<affirmative> to carry around. And this one, unlike a lot of them, uh, has Velcro. Sorry about the noise. So it's very easy to take off and put on. It's also very easy for pick pockets to come up behind you and steal it. So you gotta keep that in mind. Don't, you know, this isn't the most secure bags, but I do like the look and the compactness. I'm gonna bring this cause I can pack it very easily. Yep. But when we go out on hikes and things like that, I'll have a bag that I can bring with me. I'm also right now using it as kind of a camera bag. So now don't laugh at me, but I'm gonna do some interesting things. At least I'm gonna try some interesting things. You've seen action cameras. Oh wow. We've talked about action cameras before. I'm gonna be doing a new kind of action camera, uh, that I think is very interesting.
This, I got this idea from Anthony Nielsen. Okay. Remember when we did the bicycling, uh, around, he had one of these, this is a zoom, uh, I'm sorry, an insects Insta. Let me get it right. Insta 360, 360 degree. Cameron, I'm gonna take off the rubber shielding. You wanna protect these lenses. It's got two fisheye lenses, one on each side. And because of that, it records everything in a complete circle all around you. So is this is the new one x three, which has a little bit larger display than the one Anthony was using. So if you carry this around on a stick like this, you don't have to aim it. Yeah. It's gonna see everything. You just walk around. It actually has a surprisingly good microphone. The audio. And this is very good. So you could easily do travel log videos, just going, Hey, did you see this sa grata familia?
That's a pretty nice cathedral, isn't it? Uh, it has some other nice features. I really like. Uh, I, this is the, um, the, the tripod, the monopod that, uh, Anthony was using stand back, because it extends, it goes very far out the three meters. So <laugh>, now, I don't know if they're gonna let me do this. Insta familia <laugh>. I don't know if we're gonna let me do this in here, but the idea is you can just, and Anthony was driving around in the bed of a pickup truck. We're bicycling behind him. With this stuck out, it gets high enough that it looks like a drone shot. It was amazing. When I saw the video Anthony shot. I said, did you, where was the drone <laugh>? He said, there was no drone. This was all done on the zoo, on the, uh, ins Insta 360 x three.
And there's another nice feature of this because it has voice activation. So I can say, take a picture. I said, oh, actually it's in video mode. Start recording. And it now starts recording, which is very handy for something. That's fine. You don't have to bring it back feet away, <laugh> every time. And then I can also say, stop recording and it'll stop recording. So there are a number of nice features on this. Uh, Anthony warned me, and he's right that the way you edit the video on this is not on a laptop, but on your phone or iPad. They have iOS and Android software that does all the hard work of editing for you. Because really this is the downside to carrying one of these cameras is it's no good by itself. You can't just take the video off and put it on Instagram. You can't see it unless you're wearing a, uh, one of those 3D visors.
There's, there's, this is, looks like it's a drone shot, but this is just that camera <laugh> from the back of a pickup truck as I'm bicycling around. Yeah. That, wow. It's amazing. So I thought, I'm not, I have a drone as you know, and I lose many drones. I thought, I won't bring a drone this time. This thing will be harder to lose. Uh, so I'm gonna bring this with me and we'll see, and we'll see how it works. Anyway, uh, I have a number of other ways to attach this. Some of them, uh, perhaps more geeky than others, I don't know how they're gonna react. But if I go into a sareta familia like this, but maybe I'll attach the camera right here. This one allows you to attach it to your chest. That would be a good thing to see. And this one on the backpack.
So the idea is <laugh>. You don't wanna have to hold the camera. And since you don't have to aim it mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's okay to attach it to something like an action camera because it's gonna get, now the problem with this is it's gonna get the, your head on one side of it. So really, ideally you'd have it on a stick, uh, and carry it around like this. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So I am gonna start shooting some video like that and we'll see if I, I send back some video from some of the fabulous places like the blue city that I'm gonna be visiting. There was another problem, which is I may have to record while I'm there. Now I will use this. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and we'll send you video.
Mikah Sargent (02:01:43):
I'm gonna put the cap back on. I'm worried about the lenses.
Leo Laporte (02:01:45):
Oh yeah. Yeah. Very important. That's why I got this rubber cap. You really want to protect those lenses. They scratch, uh, easily. So I'm gonna bring this, this is an interesting microphone I discovered cuz Craig Numark told me about this. This is the Tula t u la microphone Cricket Newmark was using this. It's got a little nice little stand there. Also has an adapter that you could put on it. So it can go on a mic arm. But what's interesting about this is it has built-in memory. It's actually a recorder as well. So I can carry this around. It's a decent sounding microphone. And record ads like this.
Mikah Sargent (02:02:18):
Star Trek over here.
Leo Laporte (02:02:20):
<laugh>. I probably won't wear this too.
Mikah Sargent (02:02:22):
<laugh>. Yeah. Both, both of those things going yet. Yeah, it's really Hi. I'd like to tell you about.
Leo Laporte (02:02:27):
So, but anyway, this has a good sound. It has a headphone jack. You can use it as a U ussb mic. It has a U USB type C connector on the back. So you can use it as a regular u sb mic, but you can also use it, uh, as a recorder. That's cool. So you could put on the table and record a conversation and that kind of thing. It has both cardio, which is directional microphone, uh, pattern as well as omnidirectional. So if you wanted to record a table conversation, you put this in Omni and uh, would hear everybody all around. It even has built in, uh, sound, uh, noise canceling software, which I have had mixed results with. It helps with some things. Certainly background noise would be helpful. Uh, if there's an air conditioner on that kind of thing. So this is really cool.
This is from Tula, T U L A. It's a battery powered microphone, but it's not the only microphone I'm bringing. I'm also bringing this, this is one of the MV microphones from shore. This one's designed for an iPhone. It has a lightning cable. So I could shoot iPhone video and you can turn it around by the way. So you can face it whatever direction you are. The MV software, the Motiv software that Sure offers on iOS and Android will let you set different patterns for this. So you can record stereo cuz it has stereo capsules. You can also record Omni or you can have directional. And this does a very nice job when attached to an iPhone right on the lightning port of adding a very good quality microphone, uh, to the iPhone. Sure. Has been doing some really good stuff with air, uh, microphones.
Mikah Sargent (02:03:53):
Yeah, it's a great little case
Leo Laporte (02:03:54):
Too. This is the MV series and yeah. Easy to carry. There's one other microphone I want to show you that's really very handy. And we had these guys on a couple of years ago on the new screensavers. Uh, they were former AKG microphone folks. They make a microphone called Mic Me. This goes on your belt or your jacket, pocket pairs to your iPhone. It has a lavalier microphone or two that can go with it. They have the standard laier, uh, mini XLR connection. And this will record independently in the mic me while you're walking around. But it also pairs to the iPhone. And if you use their software to record the video, it'll sync up. Oh, nice. So it's a very interesting remote microphone set up, wireless remote microphone set up that you could put on your lapel. Nobody would see any wires. You'd have that in your pocket.
Uh, and you'd be able to, uh, record video. All right. One last thing. It's a lot of stuff, isn't it? I brought everything. You did. You wanted everything. I brought everything. So, and I'd mentioned this before. We were playing with microphones and I said, I'm making a portable sound kit. This is Alex Lindsay's favorite kind of case. This is a Pelican case. Hard sided, right? You could put anything in there. They come in all kinds of sizes. This is the handgun size there. Actually, a lot of people carry their handguns in these. I don't, I'm not <laugh>. That's not where you're carrying, carrying a handgun in this. I am carrying my remote kit in this. Now what's really nice is with the pelican cases, you can get what they call pick and pull, which is this foam that you can actually take out in pieces mm-hmm.
<affirmative> to fit whatever you need. So this is a complete remote podcasting setup for two people. These are the microphones I showed you the other day. These are the AKG P two microphones. They're drum microphones, but really I think give you very good sound quality. Um, this stand put this, oh that's nice. Right here on the table. Now you've got one, you can do two. I've got the, uh, mic cables here, the short mic cables. Uh, of course I've got my headphones here, but this is what I'm recording to. And this is a 32 bit float recorder I've mentioned before. This is the Zoom F three. So the microphones can connect to the Zoom F three. You can have two, two people. So we could sit down, you and I at a table, at a coffee shop, uh, or at an airport and actually do a two-person podcast.
Nice. With this record. It 32 bit float, so we can't possibly clip it. We can control the audio. We can have a very, it could be very loud. A jet could take off in the background and it wouldn't damage the audio, which is really nice. So this is a very simple compact, but I think very high quality recording kit. Couple of extra batteries. You always gotta have those, um, that I put together so that, I don't know if, I don't think I'm gonna take this with us, but if I wanted to do a podcast on the road, this is probably the way I would do it. And uh, this kit makes it very easy to, have you had a Carrie it around chance to try it out yet? Or is this uh, I haven't done a show yet. No. We should do a show. You and I go somewhere and do a show.
Go somewhere. Try it out. But I've tried each individual component out of course. Right. But I haven't done the whole set yet. But that's a nice way to do that, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. It's really nice. Wow. I, I warn John Ashley take notes cuz I'm gonna show about 50 products <laugh> 2020, only 20. We will get links on the show notes to all of these, uh, different products. And of course if you follow, uh, maybe, maybe not John's, not handful, a few of them. And, uh, anything he could figure out. And then, uh, follow our adventures as, uh, Leo and Lisa travel around Europe. I'll be recording it with a 360 degree, 360 degree video. And what's
Mikah Sargent (02:07:43):
Hiding in there?
Leo Laporte (02:07:44):
What's in this? Yeah, I was hoping you wouldn't ask. Oh,
Mikah Sargent (02:07:47):
It's got an H D M I port now. I'm curious.
Leo Laporte (02:07:49):
No. Yeah. This is, oh, this is for the laptop. This is a little, so you do got, you do have to bring a doc with you, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, because you might need H D M I. You might need to card. This is my card reader. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Uh, and this is designed for the air that I'm bringing. So it has the two side by side thunder are bold docs. This is from Hyperdrive. They're always making some very cool, uh, docking stuff. This is my little travel doc with the card reader. It can power. It's got a couple of U SBAs. Uh, and, and then on, on this side, it's got the, as you said, H T M I. Nice. Um, in case I wanted to connect it up to the big screen TV in the conference room or something like that. Woo. Now I gotta pack this all up and go on the road. All right. Let's <laugh>. All right. This is how the carrot cake is made. Carrot. All right. Oh, we are back. Sitting down. That was exhausting. <laugh>. Yeah, I, a lot of stuff. I wish I were home already. <laugh>. Um, yeah, I'm not gonna bring all of that stuff. Just a few of those, uh, bags, but I'm definitely bringing this. Do you think I can go into the cathedral? So the the thing goes right here. I don't, I think a lot of the shot's gonna be taken up by my head.
Mikah Sargent (02:08:59):
Well, according to Lisa, you're not going to be wearing that unless you're going ziplining
Leo Laporte (02:09:03):
<laugh>. Did she say that? She may have said that. Yes. <laugh>. All right. Back to the phones. We go. Let's see who's been hanging on here. We got a quite a few. Very patient. Thank you for being so patient. Uh, folks. Uh, who do you pick? Yeah. I never, I I always pick it's
Mikah Sargent (02:09:20):
Oh boy. Um,
Leo Laporte (02:09:22):
Is Steve, has Steven been holding on the longest? Yeah,
Mikah Sargent (02:09:24):
That's what I wish I knew who was where. Um, there's a person wearing a hat with like an orange sweater and a cool orange microphone.
Leo Laporte (02:09:33):
I see him too. I'll tell you what, let's do this. That's main man, Mikah. But let's start with Steven cuz uh, you know, I don't know if this is in order or not, but he's the one for me in the top left-hand corner. So Steven, we're gonna put you on the air. Uh, first. I think he's been hanging on for a while. He's being moved into the studio. He's calling from somewhere beautiful, I think. Where are you calling from? Steven?
Caller 4 (02:09:57):
Uh, one of your hometowns?
Leo Laporte (02:09:59):
Caller 4 (02:10:00):
Uh, I'm at Ciit, Rhode Island.
Leo Laporte (02:10:01):
Ciit. Oh, it's beautiful. Is the, has the weather improved yet?
Caller 4 (02:10:06):
Oh, much better. We're about 60 degrees today. Oh,
Leo Laporte (02:10:08):
It's warmer there than it is here. <laugh>, I think <laugh>
Caller 4 (02:10:11):
<laugh> actually, I think a lot of, um, winter has been warmer than your winter.
Leo Laporte (02:10:15):
Yeah, it was a weird winter, ma. I kept calling my mom in Cranston saying, well, you being snowed in. She said, no, it's 70 degrees. It's bombing <laugh> <laugh>. I was like, what the hell? Anyway, it's great to, great to see you. Uh, welcome to the show. What can we do for you, Steven?
Caller 4 (02:10:29):
Thanks Leo. Thanks Michael. A long time listener.
Leo Laporte (02:10:32):
Very patient to hang on for so long. Yeah, I
Caller 4 (02:10:34):
Appreciate it. Thank you. Oh, and I've been watching how you're on three different TVs in the house right now.
Leo Laporte (02:10:38):
<laugh>. Wow. I'm sorry. I apologize,
Caller 4 (02:10:41):
<laugh>. No, no problem.
Leo Laporte (02:10:42):
By the way, he's wearing a Duluth. Is that a, what is, tell me what that sweatshirt He's wearing a Duluth Trading Company. Sweatshirt. Wow. We're just talking about Duluth Trading Company.
Caller 4 (02:10:52):
Yeah, no, they're very popular. I love
Leo Laporte (02:10:54):
Their bags. I do. And their underwear.
Caller 4 (02:10:56):
Yeah, I have some. Yeah. Yep. Uh, question. So I was a last Pass user, actually still am a last pass user. Um, I've downloaded Bit Warden. I exported my, uh, passwords. I have 'em in Bit Water now. I, I'm afraid to get rid of Last Pass so quick. You
Leo Laporte (02:11:15):
Can. Okay. So here's what I would do, and this is actually what I did do. You can get rid of Last Pass. Just delete the software, delete it everywhere from your stuff. And, but the vault's still there. And if for some reason you're going through your bit warning and you go, oh my God, I, where's, where's this pass? Your, all your stuff is still there. So you can all,
Caller 4 (02:11:33):
Okay, so right now it's so defaulted on my computers and my Yeah, yeah. How do I,
Leo Laporte (02:11:41):
So it depends. Each device is different. For instance, on an iPhone or an Android phone, you have to choose which password manager is the autofill. Usually like an iPhone. They have the Apple thing. But you can also choose, uh, bit Warden. So you're gonna change the auto fill on your phone on your computer. It's really different because it's, it's, it's browser dependent. So all password apps have a standalone desktop app for Mac Windows, uh, in some cases, even for Linux, you probably should have that. And then you can add a browser extension of Firefox to Chrome, to Safari to whatever browser you're using. Take the old last pass extension off, remove that, put the new browser extension on. It will be the autofill default. You don't have to change anything that way. Uh, there are some who say, and I'm, I'm not, they're not wrong that the biggest security flow of modern password managers is that browser extension.
Caller 4 (02:13:33):
I've changed most my important
Leo Laporte (02:13:35):
Passwords. Okay. But if you change them in last pass, it has <laugh>, it has your new that Vault is, is your, is your keys. Right? So, um, ideally the way you would do this, honestly, and I didn't do it this way, but ideally the way you do it is export, put it in bit Warden, delete the last Pass vault, change the passwords in Bit Warden. Yep. Yeah. And the reason you don't need to keep the last pass vault is you've changed all the passwords anyways, so it doesn't really matter what's in the last pass vault. No useless. Yeah. Yeah. But it, but anytime you change the passwords in last pass. Well, last pass has the latest passwords. I, you know, the truth is, and I think it's probably a good case to be made that now that last pass has been hacked, it's highly unlikely they'll get hacked again.
Right. Because they're gonna have their eyes. So they're gonna be very careful from now on. Uh, it is clear now in hindsight, that last pass, I don't wanna let him off the hook, but that they were highly targeted. That the bad guy wanted to get last passes vaults and knew exactly how to do it in a series of attacks. The first attack gave them the, the key information they needed, which is the names of the developers. And they were able to find the four dev ops guys who had keys to the S3 backups, the Amazon backups. Then that was the first, that was the June attack. Then in subsequent months, they attacked those four guys until they got into one of them and got the keys. So this was a multi-month process involving a lot of different activities. Very much targeted last pass. What does that say to me?
It means, to some degree, it's not their fault. You know, if you're targeted, it's pretty hard. If with a determined attacker, it's pretty hard to protect yourself. Did they make mistakes? Yes. This DevOps guy was running an outdated version of Plex that had a flaw and he hadn't patched it. And then that same machine was the one he used to log into S3 buckets. So the bad guys were able to get it that way. So could they have done better that way? Yeah, but it wasn't like they were sloppy or didn't do a good job. They just, they got caught. And because they were attacked, they got caught. It seems highly unlikely that'll happen again. Um, uh, probably not. Could it happen a bit warden? Yeah. Uh, if somebody says we're gonna, in fact, I would bet that whoever did this, and it's probably a nation state, most security experts now think it's probably North Korea, uh, or maybe China.
The next target will not be last. They got those faults. The next target will be one password or bit warden the next two. Right. So you may be more vulnerable on La <laugh>. Uh, what, what, what you gotta hope is that not only has has last pass learned its lesson, but that bit warden and one password have learned the same lesson mm-hmm. <affirmative> and are being, you know, if they now know they are being targeted, that they will go the extra mile. So if your question is, when should I delete my last passal? There's no hurry. You can keep it as long as you're, until you're comfortable with it that you've got everything you need. And bit Warden, uh, you can leave it there. Yeah.
Caller 4 (02:16:50):
All right. Well, Leo mic. Thank you.
Leo Laporte (02:16:52):
Hey, it's great to talk to you. Thank you for calling us. Say hi to Ciit.
Caller 4 (02:16:55):
Oh yeah. No. And I'll wave as I go by your mom's house.
Leo Laporte (02:16:59):
<laugh>. Ciit is beautiful. We used to go, we used to go there, uh, all the time for picnics and things. It's really pretty part of the state, so it is nice, nice to talk to you. Thank you. Take care.
Caller 4 (02:17:10):
Thank you. Keep up the great
Leo Laporte (02:17:11):
Work. All right. Now I have to figure out, I don't know how to hang up on these, uh, systems anymore. I think I'm on the wrong page. Ah, there we go. There we go. I pushed too many, uh, buttons. Steve, I don't even see Steve. Oh, I think he hung up. Oh, you can hang up on us. I'm shocked. Shocked. That tells ya. All right, I'm gonna move, uh, the next caller in. Who is, you chose Mikah, right? Yeah. Main man. Mikah, welcome on the air co-host of the Airplane Guy podcast Geeks podcast. Our airplane guru. He's probably calling to tell me not to fly in a 7 87. Oh, bullshit boy,
Caller 5 (02:18:03):
You did there. I, yeah, yeah.
Leo Laporte (02:18:04):
Oh my God.
Caller 5 (02:18:05):
I'm not, and by the way, I would never disagree with Johnny. He is always right. And the 7 87 is a great aircraft.
Leo Laporte (02:18:11):
He's the airplane. Very
Caller 5 (02:18:12):
Comfortable in that. Is
Leo Laporte (02:18:13):
It? Okay? He
Caller 5 (02:18:14):
Is terrific. Good. Yeah, on the, I just wish you had it on the way over because, uh, you, that's where your jet lags gonna come in. You I know. Car less jet lag
Leo Laporte (02:18:21):
On his 87. I know. So the three 30 is not a, the
Caller 5 (02:18:25):
Three 30 Neo is a, is a newer aircraft. It's a wonderful aircraft. A lot quieter than the, uh, than, than the old three 30. But it's not, doesn't have the composite, uh, fuselage so that the air pressure inside is gonna be at a lower Oh, alt or a higher altitude. I'm sorry, higher.
Leo Laporte (02:18:41):
The lower altitude, the pressure will be lower. The altitude will be,
Caller 5 (02:18:43):
Pressure will be lower. Altitude will be higher. Yeah. So you won't feel as refreshed. It won't be as much moisture in the air, but, but it'll be fine. You'll, you'll do just great. It
Leo Laporte (02:18:50):
Sounds awful. <laugh>. No,
Caller 5 (02:18:52):
It's, it's like any other aircraft other than the 7 87. It, it's just, you know, perfectly fine.
Leo Laporte (02:18:58):
Oh, that's interesting. So the seven eight is really the one to go on if you can, cuz of the carbon fiber.
Caller 5 (02:19:03):
Absolutely. Interesting. 7 87. If you're going long distance, that's the way you want to go. And it's quiet, it's just wonderful. Oh,
Leo Laporte (02:19:09):
I can't wait. It's a great airplane. I wish we were flying farther. We're only going Rome to Philly on that, so.
Caller 5 (02:19:13):
Yeah. And how are you coming back to, uh, to San Francisco? Is that on a probably a triple seven, I'm thinking. Oh,
Leo Laporte (02:19:19):
I don't know. It's also American. I can check, but, uh, yeah, I'm not sure.
Caller 5 (02:19:23):
Well, here's the deal. You mentioned flighty and, and that's not, this isn't why call, but you mentioned Flighty, but I do wanna talk about Flighty because it is a fabulous app. I had some experience with it. Not only do you find out information before the pilots do <laugh>, but I have a friend that's a dispatcher with a major airline Yeah. And had some other friends that were traveling and their plane was getting delayed and delayed and delayed. And I finally called the dispatcher and he said, no, no, no, it's going. I, I, he's, he's right there at the board. He's the one that makes these decisions. It's going, it's just gonna be a little bit longer. And then I get a message from Flighty telling me that it's not going at all. And he calls me back about a minute later and says, yeah, you got the message before I did. So, wow. Use that app.
Leo Laporte (02:20:06):
I have it. I'm looking at flighty right now. My flight on Philly s o is also a three 30 Neo, so
Caller 5 (02:20:13):
You'll be fine. You'll be just fine.
Mikah Sargent (02:20:14):
You said earlier Neo meant new engine optimization.
Caller 5 (02:20:17):
New engine option. New engine option. Okay.
Leo Laporte (02:20:19):
So it's like a seventh, 7 37 max.
Caller 5 (02:20:23):
Well, it's got a different engine in that. And it does didn't have the issues that the 7 37 max did. But you know, that was some, we, we've just found out that some of that was probably, or most of that could definitely have been pilot error based on the Utsb report. Interesting. In the, a report,
Leo Laporte (02:20:40):
Well, it was pilot error, but they weren't trained on the unusual characteristics of the max. Right.
Caller 5 (02:20:45):
Um, not exactly with the, uh, the, the, the, the accident in Africa, they should have been trained. Okay. Uh, Boeing had put out a memo about that. Okay. And anyway, it, it's, I don't, that's, that's not why I called
Leo Laporte (02:20:58):
<laugh>. Why did you call my friend?
Caller 5 (02:21:00):
I I need help. I need help. Well,
Leo Laporte (02:21:02):
That's a good reason to call.
Caller 5 (02:21:03):
Yes. I really do. I I just got a, uh, six month subscription to, uh, apple Air, apple Music and it's great. It's wonderful. I can say play, play me some Louie Jordan and it plays me some Louie Jordan play me some Hokey Carmic. I mean, just bizarre. You
Leo Laporte (02:21:18):
Like old music there, <laugh>
Caller 5 (02:21:20):
I like new music too, but nonetheless. Okay. But one of the things that it does is I could be finished listening to that, have it closed for weeks at a time, go into my car, turn on Bluetooth and it starts playing whatever I was listening to before mm-hmm. <affirmative> and I can't stop it sometimes from repeating whatever it was playing. Mm. <laugh> and I've gone through and I found the button that it says with turn off repeat. And I thought, I've done that and I got my phone in front of me. You can see I'm looking at it now and I can't stop it from picking up in the call once, even weeks later once,
Leo Laporte (02:21:49):
You know, I listen to Foreigner Cold as Ice as a joke and every time I get in my car now Yeah. As cold as ice, I don't wanna hear this song. How do you fix that? And I'm
Caller 5 (02:22:01):
Going, I'm, I'm googling it, trying to find some answers. Can't find any answers there. Nobody seems to know Apple
Leo Laporte (02:22:07):
Is what Apples my last hope, what Apple's doing is being, this is Apple. Right. They're helpful. Being helpful. Helpful. So I'm helping.
Mikah Sargent (02:22:15):
So, okay. What I'm understanding is the last thing that you listen to with the music app when you then get in the car can be two days later, five days later, that's what it connects to and starts playing again. Is that what you're saying? Right.
Caller 5 (02:22:30):
Yeah, exactly. And and what do you want it go
Mikah Sargent (02:22:32):
To my podcast? Yeah. What is it that you would want it to do exactly?
Caller 5 (02:22:34):
I may be listening to a podcast on, on, on, on my podcast app. Uh, what do I use? Pockets. Got it. I may be listening to that. But I turn on and then I've been listening to it. I go out into the car and I've hit the Bluetooth button mm-hmm. <affirmative> and the Apple comes off.
Leo Laporte (02:22:48):
It should be smart enough to pick up Pocket Cast. Pick
Mikah Sargent (02:22:50):
Up Pocket Cast. So here's the thing, I don't know. So when Leo said that it was happening to him, that's where it confused me a little bit because Leo has a more, uh, modern system where he's using CarPlay, where it should be smart enough to pick up that it's pocket casting.
Leo Laporte (02:23:05):
Actually it is now by the way. Okay.
Mikah Sargent (02:23:06):
It's doing it's fine what it's supposed to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So with Bluetooth, uh, those Bluetooth profiles that are installed in vehicles and even in aftermarket stereos, in some cases, those systems are so old that they came from a time where you would Bluetooth from an iPod and mm-hmm. What you wanted at that point there was not enough, like there was not enough ram, there was not enough sort of processing power for that device to constantly be mindful of what was just playing. And so what you would do is you'd Bluetooth connect and then it would just start playing from your music library. So what's happening is your phone is communicating to the device that's going, oh, this is a car. Bluetooth, the car. Bluetooth is saying essentially play hit the play button as soon as you connect. And it can only look at the music app for that because it
Leo Laporte (02:23:56):
Thinks it's an
Mikah Sargent (02:23:56):
IPod because it things, it's an iPod. So it's just sending
Leo Laporte (02:23:59):
To, I think that's, it was in my previous car that it was doing this.
Mikah Sargent (02:24:02):
That would make sense. The
Leo Laporte (02:24:03):
Call Eyes and it doesn't do anymore with CarPlay. Yeah. There is a fix, A weird fix. I think you told me about it. What was this fix? Big Island's using it. The Silent
Mikah Sargent (02:24:11):
Song. Oh yes. The silent song. But it doesn't sound like what, what Mike is saying is it's not alphabetical, it's whatever song was last played last. And so yes, that's just unfor. It used to be it would do it alphabetically, but now what it's doing is it's going, I've connected to Bluetooth's Smart to play. It's smart. Uh, yeah, it's smart enough to go, I want you to start playing something. So what you might do, Mikah, is just look and you probably have, but if you haven't, and for anyone who's listening out there, go through all of the settings of your stereo system and look for an autoplay option. Sometimes it's in the Bluetooth menu, sometimes it's in the music menu, sometimes it's elsewhere. See if there's an autoplay option and just toggle that off. If there's not, unfortunately there's nothing that is going to solve this. It is just the, the way that these older systems that are using Bluetooth work, because this is where we talk about Apple trying to be helpful. These are car manufacturers who think they're being helpful because they're saying somebody who gets in their car like they did whenever that used to be radio. As soon as the car starts, they want to hear something coming out of their speakers. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So it's,
Caller 5 (02:25:18):
Well it's not quite like that. Go ahead. Because I can choose am It's not quite like that can choose am I can choose fm, I can use Choose Sirius xm. Yeah. Or I hit the Bluetooth button and then it goes to the Apple Music.
Mikah Sargent (02:25:30):
Right. Cuz that's whenever it's actually connecting to your phone as opposed to Gotcha. Being connected to just what you're
Leo Laporte (02:25:35):
It's very simple, Mike. You just need to get a new car. <laugh>.
Caller 5 (02:25:40):
Hey, my car only has 49,000 miles on.
Leo Laporte (02:25:43):
Oh, no, no, no, no. There's no reason to do that in Maine. That's like a million miles. Yeah. <laugh>.
Caller 5 (02:25:47):
But I do have another question about Apple Music. I can't seem to turn off the repeat. The last thing I listened to happened to be a a, a Van Morrison song and I can't seem to get it to stop whatever song I choose
Leo Laporte (02:25:59):
Again with the Brown Eye Girl. Repeat again Over and over
Caller 5 (02:26:03):
<laugh>. But what, whatever I, whatever song I ask our friend, uh, who Apple to play, I don't wanna say the name. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, you know, whatever it is that'll just repeat and repeat and repeat and won't go into something different. And I'm not sure what the setting is. Oh, to do that either,
Mikah Sargent (02:26:17):
Let me be clear. So you say, Hey dear friend play, uh, I don't know, play Brown-Eyed
Caller 5 (02:26:25):
Girl, play Brown-Eyed Girl, whatever. It's, we'll go
Mikah Sargent (02:26:27):
With that. And then it plays Brown-Eyed Girl and then when it's
Caller 5 (02:26:30):
Done and then Brown-Eyed Girl play again, you would want it And then Brown Eye Girl
Leo Laporte (02:26:33):
Play again. Yeah, there's a button. I
Caller 5 (02:26:34):
Would either want it to stop or choose another.
Leo Laporte (02:26:37):
There's a button song. Yeah, there's a button. There are some, I've run into this because I didn't know what the buttons meant. There are some obscure buttons on the Player that have to do with Shuffle Loop. Uh, there's one called Play one and there's, yeah,
Caller 5 (02:26:57):
Yeah. I'm trying, I can't even find it here because
Leo Laporte (02:27:00):
Actually it looks, I don't see the buttons here anymore.
Mikah Sargent (02:27:02):
So let me airplay here.
Leo Laporte (02:27:04):
Um, wait a minute. The buttons are gone. Yeah,
Caller 5 (02:27:07):
Leo Laporte (02:27:08):
There used to be buttons.
Caller 5 (02:27:09):
It's, it, it's so simple because Apple's trying to be your friend. Make it simple, but there you like
Leo Laporte (02:27:14):
Brown Eye girl so much. <laugh>.
Caller 5 (02:27:17):
Hang on. I just want a settings button someplace.
Leo Laporte (02:27:20):
Well, there used
Mikah Sargent (02:27:21):
To, or is it office that has
Leo Laporte (02:27:24):
There used to be It's on
Mikah Sargent (02:27:25):
Airplay It. Yeah, I'm gonna airplay it. No, it's not.
Leo Laporte (02:27:28):
Can you see those buttons?
Mikah Sargent (02:27:29):
Okay. Y yeah, I, yes. Okay. So, um, I'm airplay my screen and then we, I'll do Airplay one bonito. All right. So, um, I've got a song here that was playing and we'll just give it a second to get connected here. Uh, okay, so down in the bottom right corner is your list of songs. And in the top you'll see this re or this shuffle icon. Is that first? There it
Leo Laporte (02:27:59):
Is. There it is. And there's the repeat one.
Mikah Sargent (02:28:02):
And yes, right to the
Leo Laporte (02:28:03):
Middle is repeat,
Mikah Sargent (02:28:04):
Repeat. Uh, just tapping it once is going to repeat the entire kind of playlist. Whatever you're doing, album, whatever. If you tap it again, that will replay that song. That's the play one song. Yep. And then the third option. And I, there we go. Now I've tapped it The Infinite Playlist. Infinite. And what that does is it starts playing more music after you finish playing. So, okay, that's probably what you want to tell s i r i to play Brown-Eyed Girl. And then you want to get into this menu and hit that infinity sign because that will start suggesting music algorithmically
Leo Laporte (02:28:34):
Or turn 'em all off and it'll just play one song and won't repeat Exactly
Mikah Sargent (02:28:37):
If you Yeah, if you don't want it to repeat, then just turn that off.
Leo Laporte (02:28:39):
So they moved cuz those didn't, those used to be per song.
Mikah Sargent (02:28:42):
Yeah. And they used to be in a different place. Um, so once you started playing the song, it's in the, uh, bottom of the music app. You can tap on the song and then down at the bottom, once again on the far left is lyrics in the middle is playing it like Airplay or Bluetooth. And on the, uh, bottom right is the list you want to tap on that list and then in the top.
Leo Laporte (02:29:04):
So you have to do that in the playlist now and not in the first song Correct. So they just hit it. And by the way, this is 16.3, right? Yes. 16.4 will be out before next week probably. And will it, and they'll move everything around again.
Caller 5 (02:29:17):
So foul it all up. Yeah. Apple apples just trying to be helpful. Like you said, they wanna make your life simple. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (02:29:22):
The reason I say that 16.4 will be out before next week, is we know that the new Apple Classical app will be out by March 28th. Yeah. And I think it comes with 16.4. I think they'll bundle those two together. So I think 16.4, they're in the fi, they're in the, uh, the actual release version, the release beta right now. So I think the final one will be out in the next few days. And,
Caller 5 (02:29:46):
Uh, well, that'll be fun. I can say play me some Gilbert and Sullivan.
Leo Laporte (02:29:49):
Yeah. I can't wait for the classical one just in time for my trip. Mikah, thanks so much. I appreciate your, uh, thank you. You're joining us. We always Good. Good to hear from you.
Caller 5 (02:29:58):
Have a great trip. I can't wait to hear about it.
Leo Laporte (02:30:01):
All right. We're gonna take Richard. Thank you Mikah. You're gonna hear about it. I'm sorry, but you are, uh, <laugh> a lot. We're gonna say hi to Richard. Where are you calling from? Richard,
Caller 6 (02:30:11):
Uh, Sur, Virginia.
Leo Laporte (02:30:13):
Good to TA talk to you. Good to see you. Welcome to the show.
Caller 6 (02:30:18):
Um, good to see you guys. I've done, I've been listening to you since, uh, 2008, really listening to you.
Leo Laporte (02:30:24):
Wow, that's a long time. Wow. What can we do for you today? Um,
Caller 6 (02:30:30):
I made a very mis serious mistake about two months ago, and I succumbed to, uh, my, the constant nagging on my computer, <laugh> and, uh,
Leo Laporte (02:30:40):
Always a mistake, <laugh>
Caller 6 (02:30:43):
And, uh, loaded the Windows 11 on my computer.
Mikah Sargent (02:30:48):
Oh, that mistake. Got it.
Caller 6 (02:30:50):
And I, uh, I seem to have, um, lost a, a capability of, uh, loading outside programs on my computer. I can load them, uh, I can load them from the Windows store and I can load the, uh, load in, uh, what I mean by load, I mean by install. Yeah,
Leo Laporte (02:31:11):
Caller 6 (02:31:12):
Um, I can install 'em from, I can install my updates both from Microsoft and Dell, but anything else I can't, uh, I can't install a specific, uh, example is, uh, TurboTax, uh, I tried to, uh, I could not install my, uh, TurboTax, um, oh no program from either the webpage from, from either online or from the CD that came with, uh, you know, with my purchase. It
Leo Laporte (02:31:40):
Almost sounds like you got, um, s Mode. S mode is somehow, uh, turned on.
Mikah Sargent (02:31:47):
Hi, this is video and Yes, that is exactly what happened. I, there's an episode of Hands-On Windows about this
Leo Laporte (02:31:52):
<laugh>. So did, uh, did Paul Thro talk about this on hands-on Windows?
Mikah Sargent (02:31:56):
Yeah, there's, so there's an episode about off Hands on Windows that talks exactly about this. And so
Leo Laporte (02:32:00):
The update turns on S Mode,
Mikah Sargent (02:32:03):
Something like that. Or, or there's Oh,
Leo Laporte (02:32:04):
I remember this bug. Yes. So, so you are in what Windows, what Microsoft calls s Mode. Hmm. Super secure mode. It is possible to turn it off.
Mikah Sargent (02:32:17):
Yes, there's a switch. The
Leo Laporte (02:32:18):
Idea of S Mode was, this is, this is a stupid ass bug. Excuse my French. The, the, uh, the idea of S Mode was where they were gonna sell computers that were gonna compete with Chromebooks and be super secure by only allowing you to install stuff from the Windows store. That the theoretically being, uh, a safer, uh, place to be. It should never have been turned on by an update that was a bug in their updater. But it is possible to, to switch out of s mode. It's a little weird. Uh, this is for Windows 10, but I, let me see what window. Oh, here's the Windows 11. This is from Microsoft switching out of S Mode and Windows. It's different in Windows 11 than it is in 10. You have to go to settings, system activation in the switch to Windows 11 Pro section, go to store <laugh> on the switch out of s Mode page, it appears in the store. Press the get button. Oh my
Mikah Sargent (02:33:26):
Goodness. As if it's an
Leo Laporte (02:33:27):
App. So in a way, you have to go back to the store and get the non S mode version. Is that awful or what? So, uh, I, I do remember, uh, Paul talking about this bug. This was a brief bug during the in Windows update. It didn't last for very long, but, uh, that is, that is ridiculous. That is ridiculous. So, uh, if you go to, uh, you could actually launch the store and search for a switch out of S Mode. I'm not an S mode. So it says you're unable to switch out of s mode on this version? Well,
Caller 6 (02:34:03):
That's, that's what I, I, um, I read, I got rid about that on, uh, on um, Microsoft Web webpage. Oh,
Leo Laporte (02:34:12):
Caller 6 (02:34:13):
And I tried to access that, uh, from the Microsoft Store store switch out of me s mode, and I got a box saying, uh, that's not available in this store. Cuz your computer is not in S Mode.
Mikah Sargent (02:34:24):
Oh, no, <laugh>.
Leo Laporte (02:34:27):
Okay. I just saw a weird thing happen to me. So I got, so you got the same message. I did sort of switch the, which says you can't switch out of S Mode, but then I scroll down under need more info, it says, update Microsoft Store to switch out of S mode. Oh, what? So I press that button and then it says, do you mean to switch apps? Microsoft Store is trying to open Microsoft store. Yes. Now I'm in another Microsoft store where I could, I don't know, switch at S Mode. This is the weirdest thing ever. Oh boy. So you're saying you're not in s mode.
Mikah Sargent (02:35:09):
Caller 6 (02:35:11):
That's what it's, that's what it's telling me, but sure. Behaving like it is.
Leo Laporte (02:35:15):
I don't like Windows very
Mikah Sargent (02:35:16):
Much. So going back to what you were talking about before,
Leo Laporte (02:35:19):
Would you please take this question before
Mikah Sargent (02:35:22):
I Yeah. Break. Do something I will regret. When you tried to install TurboTax, what was the, how did you know that it didn't install? What was the popup? What was the, what, what happened that you knew? It wouldn't install?
Caller 6 (02:35:34):
The, um, the setup program loaded, uh, with, uh, and, you know, with without issue mm-hmm. <affirmative> on the, on the, uh, setup program. You know, you, you, you click on the, you click click on Act to activate the program, and you get the, uh, you get that dialogue box. Do you want, uh, my into a TUR TurboTax that's make changes to computer? Uh, yep. And when you click Yes, E everything disappears. You know it, the, that that dialogue box disappears. Oh,
Leo Laporte (02:36:06):
Okay. Absolutely nothing happened. So Computer X has sent us a note from Intuit that says, oh yeah, this is an Intuit problem. Have you tried installing anything besides in Intu, Quicken?
Caller 6 (02:36:19):
Uh, yes. I was unable to, uh, install. Uh, and just, uh, as a side note, I had an old Windows 10, uh, spin drive in my office. I, I activated that and, uh, put the CD in and boom, you know, the program came up. No problem. Um, so I knew the problem wasn't on the disc or the program. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I was also unable to, um, download. I bought a new computer. I was unable, unable to download the drivers for the com for, I mean, new printer. Yeah. It started, I was unable to drive the, uh, yeah. See
Leo Laporte (02:36:53):
If here in svo you wouldn't be able to go to the, uh, into a page and download it at
Mikah Sargent (02:36:58):
All. Yeah. I think there's some sort of administrator lock that's going on here because you're saying you're getting to the screen where it takes over that whole screen and the screen darkens, and then it says, do you wanna allow this app to control the system or whatever. And you say yes, and then that goes away and then nothing happens. And now you're saying that you tried to, uh, install something else and install drivers and you're not able to install drivers. It seems like there's a permissions thing going on.
Leo Laporte (02:37:22):
So, uh, Ray thought in our C room, we gotta run because we're almost, we're at, we're really outta it way out of time. But Ray thought in our cms also given me this from answers.microsoft.com can't switch out of s mode on new laptop. And, uh, from a, uh, independent advisor, a couple of extra tips if you can't do the go to store thing, there is in the task manager, if you go to services, apparently a service W U A U S E R V. So Windows u a u Serve, restart the service, restart the system. Oh my. Then there's a third, there's a, I think a related or unrelated third method, but I'm gonna put this in the show notes also. We'll put this link in the show notes also. This is just a mess. Yep. This is just a mess. Um, I don't know exactly what's going on. Raymond has also given us a, uh, link from guiding tech.com. Fix. Unable to switch out of S mode. We don't even know if you're in S mode. Yeah. I might not be honest. Might, I think it may be, as you said, administrator issues. Uh, I'm not, I'm not sure what's going on.
Mikah Sargent (02:38:37):
Yeah. Hi, this is bonito again. And yeah, so this is the new, this is the new thing in Windows, actually. It's not necessarily S Mode, but it's s mode. Like Oh, so it, it only allows your Windows machine to take Microsoft's, uh, store apps. Yeah. So there is a setting, how do you turn that off? Settings, apps. I think there's a setting somewhere. Yeah. That's what I remember. I, I'd have to look at the episode. Do you
Leo Laporte (02:38:55):
Remember which Hands On Windows episode
Mikah Sargent (02:38:57):
Was? There's Apps Basics. I think it was last Week's
Leo Laporte (02:38:59):
Apps Basics. All right. We didn't probably put that up in public
Caller 6 (02:39:02):
About the apps mode and the setups. And there's a, uh, there's a's a choice where it says, uh, except for Microsoft Store
Mikah Sargent (02:39:10):
Only. That's it. That's it.
Caller 6 (02:39:11):
The choice is, um, let, let Microsoft, let blurted when there's a like, app in Microscope store and the other one was, uh, all apps. And I've got the All apps called
Leo Laporte (02:39:23):
And it's still doing that.
Mikah Sargent (02:39:25):
Yeah. Darn it. Okay, well then that's a different problem. <laugh>,
Leo Laporte (02:39:29):
You've not only stumped us, you've stumped bonito. Yeah. Which is pretty amazing. I'll tell you what, this Turbo
Caller 6 (02:39:35):
Tech technicians weren't able to help either. Oh dang. Dell Technicians weren't able to help me, and I even, I even, I got desperate and went to Best Buy. The Best Buy technicians weren't even to help me.
Leo Laporte (02:39:44):
Really? So what you do is you go to a buntu.com. Yeah.
Mikah Sargent (02:39:47):
Leo Laporte (02:39:48):
It is. No, no, I'm not gonna make you do that. I, you know what, let's, let's work on this, Richard. I will ask Paul, we'll see if we can find a solution for you and people
Mikah Sargent (02:39:56):
Will be listening
Leo Laporte (02:39:56):
To Yeah. Send, would you send an email summarizing what you've done to ask the tech guys at twit tv? And I will absolutely. I will go to Paul with this. He is the ultimate resource. And see if we can solve it. I'm sorry we couldn't do it on the air, but thank you, Richard. Appreciate it. Thank
Mikah Sargent (02:40:12):
You. Well, thank you. Thank you
Leo Laporte (02:40:14):
Very much. Take care. And that, bye-bye. It wraps up the show. We are at a outta time. We
Mikah Sargent (02:40:18):
Leo Laporte (02:40:20):
Uh, we gotta get ready for another show, but I thank you so much for joining us. Love doing this show. I hope you're liking it as much, uh, as we are. Yeah. My, I'm not gonna put words in your mouth. No,
Mikah Sargent (02:40:29):
I'm enjoying. Yeah, I thought you were talking to them.
Leo Laporte (02:40:32):
I was talking to them, but, uh, when I say we, I mean
Mikah Sargent (02:40:34):
You and me. Oh, yes. We are enjoying doing the show. Yes.
Leo Laporte (02:40:37):
<laugh> uh, we, uh, you didn't wear, uh, fancy Socks. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna call you on that, but, uh,
Mikah Sargent (02:40:43):
I mean, these are pretty, they they've got some colors. These are compression socks, actually.
Leo Laporte (02:40:46):
Oh, okay. Yeah. Your calves are as big as my wrist and you want to compress them more.
Mikah Sargent (02:40:52):
Well, compression socks help get the blood flowing. And since I'm so tall Oh, it helps keep my feet from going long top.
Leo Laporte (02:40:57):
Yeah. If you want to rock and
Mikah Sargent (02:40:58):
Leo Laporte (02:40:59):
We do this show <laugh>. Yeah. Sundays, we try to do it around 1111 Pacific Time. But I'll tell you what, tune in at 11:00 AM Pacific. That's 2:00 PM Eastern Time. That's 1800 UTC Sundays, uh, at live twi.tv, you have an audio or video stream there. If you're watching Live Chat, live with our great irc. They've been very handy, uh, for this show. Thank you irc. We also have a wonderful Discord, also handy for us. We love our Discord. That's part of Club Twit. If you're not member of Club Twit, seven bucks a month gets you ad free versions of this show. All the other shows, including hands on windows of shows we don't put out in public hands on Macintosh with Mikah Sargent. Seven bucks a month and you get access to this fantastic discord with all the animated <laugh>. He's looking for the socks right now. Yeah. All the animated gifts all the time. Plus discussions about all the other geek subjects, uh, at the TWI plus feed. Go to twit tv slash club twit if you're interested. It helps us out a lot. It helps keep all this stuff going and flowing. Hey, before I leave, I am going away for three weeks. Who's gonna be on the show?
Mikah Sargent (02:42:10):
Yeah, I'm so excited. First we've got Aunt Pruitt who'll be joining me. Yay. One of these chairs. And then all the way from London. It's going to be Rosemary Orchard and she'll be here in person. Yeah. Oh, that's exciting. Very exciting. And then we have the very awesome home theater geek himself. Scott Wilkinson will be joining us here in the studio too. I,
Leo Laporte (02:42:30):
I don't think they're gonna want me back. <laugh>, could you, could you do a worse job of filling in for me from no one?
Mikah Sargent (02:42:35):
I don't, yeah, I will. Uh, I'll wear even more boring socks while you're gone, <laugh>.
Leo Laporte (02:42:40):
We'll see you next time. I'll see you in a month. Bye-Bye. <laugh>.
Jonathan Bennett (02:42:44):
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