All About Android 606, Transcript
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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up on All About Android. It's me, Jason Howell. We've got Ron Richards and Florence Ion, and we've got a story about Google Payola. Yes. Payola's still kind of a thing. Google's getting taken to task for it. App archiving has arrived. So hooray for that. Honor's affordable foldable Magic VS. Is pretty interesting. Samsung's unaffordable, foldable made of Gold a-Bowl. The W23 and W23 Flip JR Raphael has a clipboard syncing tip that's really cool, plus your feedback and a whole lot more next on All About Android!
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This is All About Android. Episode 606, recorded Tuesday, November 29th, 2022. Affordable a-Foldable. This episode of All About Android is brought to you by Code Comments, an original podcast from Red Hat that lets you listen in on two experienced technologists as they describe their building process and what they've learned from their experiences. Search for code comments in your podcast player. And by Rocket Money formally known as True Bill, are you wasting money on subscriptions? Cancel your unnecessary subscriptions right now at Rocketmoney.com/android. Seriously, it could save you hundreds per year. And buy SecureWorks. Are you ready for inevitable cyber threats? Secureworks detects evolving adversaries and defends against them with a combination of security, analytics and threat intelligence directly from their own counter threat unit. Visit secureworks.com/twit to get a free trial of Taegis Extended Detection and Response, also referenced as XDR. Hello and welcome to All About Android, your weekly social latest news, hardware and apps for the Android Faithful. I'm Jason Howell,
Ron Richards (00:01:59):
And I am a very add all. Ron Richards.
Florence Ion (00:02:04):
Hey. Yeah, Flo on. I saw myself flash and then I flashed away and now I'm
Jason Howell (00:02:07):
Back. Yeah, it was like, it was like back Burke had had regrets. He, he like showed you for a second and then was like actually just a little bit more on Ron for some reason.
Ron Richards (00:02:16):
Well, I mean, we're all used to that. Who can complain? No, but yes. No, I am a bit under the weather, but I could not miss Flo. You return into the show and a classic you, me and Jason Trio tonight, so
Jason Howell (00:02:27):
It's funny. So Yeah, that's right. Yeah. When
Ron Richards (00:02:30):
It's all about, it's All About Android Classic
Jason Howell (00:02:33):
<Laugh>. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, kind of like classic Coke. We were talking a lot about the eighties in pre-show, as seems to happen a lot actually. Eighties in the nineties come up as, as topics in our pre-show discussion, which
Florence Ion (00:02:44):
That's really what we know. That's
Jason Howell (00:02:46):
What we know. Yeah. If you are a Club TWiT member, you'll get it in your post, you know, as a, as a extra content. So, you know,
Ron Richards (00:02:52):
And I will apologize in advance.
Jason Howell (00:02:56):
<Laugh> <laugh>. Yeah. But it's fun.
Ron Richards (00:02:59):
It's worth it. No, it's good. It's the fun times. We enjoy our childhood and we visit things like that, but hey, those were the years that got me into technology, so That's right. I look, you know, like that's true. You know, while watching Twisted Sitter sister videos on mtv, I was cling away on my 1200 Baud modem, so, you
Jason Howell (00:03:16):
Know. Yeah. I was I was taking apart my my, my beat bo or my, my boombox. I was trying to think like, what did I call it back then? A boombox I was taking apart. I remember disassembling the speakers from the boombox so that I could put the speakers out. Cause you know, some boom boxes, you could actually remove the speakers and widen the stereo, you know, put it up on a, on a table and put the, the speakers. It's
Florence Ion (00:03:43):
Some bougie
Jason Howell (00:03:43):
Boombox. And I figured out as a kid how to cut the boombox into pieces, take the speakers and move them, because it didn't actually do that. It totally worked. Awesome. I was like, yes. Yeah, I figured that out. I made work. I,
Ron Richards (00:03:58):
I also, I took apart my five and a quarter inch Apple II disk drive and then couldn't get it back together, of
Jason Howell (00:04:06):
Course. And
Ron Richards (00:04:06):
Then, and then got in trouble.
Jason Howell (00:04:08):
<Laugh>. So, <laugh>, well, curiosity.
Ron Richards (00:04:11):
Well, I, I just went at it with a screwdriver. It was <laugh>.
Jason Howell (00:04:14):
What'd you do for, well,
Florence Ion (00:04:16):
I was burning CDs while voting for NSYNC on TRL
Jason Howell (00:04:20):
<Laugh>
Florence Ion (00:04:20):
You to do at mtv.com.
Jason Howell (00:04:22):
Wow. We are so different generations.
Florence Ion (00:04:25):
Yeah. In the two thousands
Jason Howell (00:04:27):
Burning CDs with that. I mean, that's just a, that's a leap.
Florence Ion (00:04:31):
I mean, I could have mentioned the zip drives that I had my website backed up on, but, oh man. Zip
Ron Richards (00:04:36):
Drives. I can't even tell you. I have boxes. I have a box of zip discs. I have my zip drive and I have my SCSI cable and like, and, and like, I, I published a, I self-published a magazine in college, and all the PageMaker files are all on those zip drives. And someday I'm gonna figure out how to get 'em and dust them all off. <Laugh>,
Florence Ion (00:04:55):
You better do it soon.
Ron Richards (00:04:58):
SCSI to usb. Is there a SCSI to USB converter there has to be, right?
Florence Ion (00:05:03):
I'm
Jason Howell (00:05:04):
Like,
Florence Ion (00:05:05):
If Burke is making an eh sound, then it's
Ron Richards (00:05:07):
Not good. Here we go. I just, I just Googled SCSI to usb and sure enough there is SCSI USB available at Amazon Chances
Jason Howell (00:05:15):
Are that well go for it.
Ron Richards (00:05:20):
<Laugh>
Jason Howell (00:05:21):
<Laugh>. It's never like, nevermind. It's just, it's too much to explain this.
Ron Richards (00:05:26):
Oh, these are amazing.
Jason Howell (00:05:27):
You just go ahead and you try that, Ron.
Ron Richards (00:05:30):
I would gladly do a whole show, another podcast on just like cereal and parallel cables.
Jason Howell (00:05:35):
<Laugh>. All right. You do that, you do that podcast episode. We're gonna do different show <laugh>. Yeah. but before we get into all of the news that has something to actually do with Android I thought before we jumped in there, since we have you on Flo last week on the show, we talked about your Android, I think it was last week, week last week, or the week before. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, we talked about your Android auto article on Gizmodo and, but you're here and so you are experiencing it in real time. So instead of interpreting what we thought about your opinion from the article, thought I'd ask you real quick before we jump into the news block. How's it going? Do you actually have it in your car now and are you using it on a regular basis and all that?
Florence Ion (00:06:18):
I do have it in the Subaru. Obviously my, my car does not have that system, so I'm just testing it on the Subaru right now. And I did get into the beta, but of course I do have like a little bit of press privilege because I had worked with Google to get on that beta, but mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, I do love it visually, but there's some elements about it that it's clearly this is a beta,
Jason Howell (00:06:45):
Always a beta. It's Google, it's always a beta.
Florence Ion (00:06:48):
It's just like, you know, we were driving back from San Jose on Saturday night, and you know, I'm not from San Jose, so I needed the maps and Google Maps was, it had like markers over the part where you're supposed to see the route. Oh. And you kind of want that like top down look around you to see like, you know, which lane should I be in? Are there other, like, is there a junction? You know, you need the map. And so there's some like, little things about it, but I think part of that issue is because of the way the Subaru kind of splits up the Android auto part with the rest of the screen.
Jason Howell (00:07:29):
Oh, okay. Kind of the, the, the particular configuration of that size of display and what it's sharing it with.
Florence Ion (00:07:37):
Yeah. And the thing is, is I don't imagine it's the same issue. Like, like the Honda Civic already has like a seven or eight inch display, so it, it fits perfectly fine. The Subaru has an 11 inch display, only seven inches of it are for Android Auto or CarPlay, if you use that. And then the rest of it is for the in-car, like controls, like the radio and the HVAC and all that, because it doesn't use the whole screen. It just feels like a really choppy experience. Mm. Yeah. And so ultimately it's up to the car manufacturers to kind of like get into gear with it, because otherwise everything just kind of feels squashed together. But also this is beta mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, like I'm, I'm not supposed to have this, you know? Yeah. In my super rules.
Jason Howell (00:08:25):
So, but you do,
Florence Ion (00:08:27):
But I do <laugh>, but I
Jason Howell (00:08:29):
Do, and you can only, you can only judge, you know, based on what you actually have access to. So I mean, it's, no, it's, you know, nobody's surprised to know that like a beta, you know, UI software, whatever is, is buggy and not perfect. However, at the same time, so much of what Google does, it feels beta, whether it's explicitly labeled beta or not. So, you know, we could go down, down a negative road as far as that's concerned.
Florence Ion (00:08:57):
At least it matches Android 12 slash 13 because there was always, and I actually like said this, I said this to the Android auto engineers, when I went to go look at it, I was like, listen, these are two very different experiences for a long time. Like what you had on the phone was very different than what you were dealing with in the car as the operating system updated and like auto, Android Auto did not. So at least now there's a cohesiveness, but you know, if you go like dig into Reddit, which I do dig into because I like to see what the people are saying, what they're chattering about. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> people still feel like Android Auto is just a very slow experience.
Jason Howell (00:09:41):
Still not, not quite there. Yeah. Yeah. This does look like an improvement though. I really do. I mean, from the, from the shots that you included and everything, it definitely looks like an improvement.
Florence Ion (00:09:51):
I have news by the way. Oh,
Jason Howell (00:09:53):
Okay. Related
Florence Ion (00:09:54):
To this for our audience specifically, which is that I got to ask, I was like, can you please just tell me what is the deal with you deprecating the phone app? Because I was relying on it and basically what happened is that the code for the phone app just got like given to the Google Maps team <laugh>. And so now it's up to the Google Maps team to kind of like implement that driving mode and make it a part of that experience.
Jason Howell (00:10:23):
Oh, okay. So kind of like what they were doing with the assistant drive because they got rid of assistant driving mode. Yes. But if you're using Google Maps and you're playing media, then you get that little like, embedded player into the maps experience, which I guess is kind of, is that kind of what you're talking about? Or, or this would end up being like a, a further built out experience.
Florence Ion (00:10:45):
No, that's what I mean. It's just the, the issue is that because it's not the auto team working on it anymore, it's a different look, it's a different situation. So it has to be reconfigured for like a, a different type of user Yeah. Versus somebody who's just like, but it, but you know, it's, I I I was like, this is very confusing for people and like, it it leaves people on the dust.
Jason Howell (00:11:10):
Absolutely. Because
Florence Ion (00:11:11):
Now I'm legitimately looking into getting like an Android auto display in my car. I'm like, it's gonna be cheaper than buying a new car. And I need maps.
Jason Howell (00:11:21):
<Laugh>. Yes, indeed. We all need maps. I know. I need maps. I rely on them for sure. I gotta tell you though, Google Maps is getting very noisy. Yeah. As an app. We're gonna talk about it later, but yeah, I thoughts a lot of other stuff in there. Yeah, that's true. Yep. It's true. Alright, well thank you for that update and yeah, why don't we do it right now. I hope you're ready, Burke. I hope you're ready cuz I'm about to throw to you for the news bumper. Go now. Well, I don't get paid millions to do this. You don't. I do get paid. Ron Richards eye rolls. <Laugh>. He gets paid in Ron. Richard's eye rolls. <Laugh>. I never eye roll. What are you talking about? I Silly Burke. I've heard a few of them. <Laugh> literally sounds like this. <Laugh>, Chloe, you got the first one.
Florence Ion (00:12:22):
Well, you know what I heard back in 2019, as I heard a lot of guff on the radio, I heard a lot of guff about how great the Pixel four apparently was. Did you
Jason Howell (00:12:32):
Notice notice that on, on the radio?
Florence Ion (00:12:35):
Oh, I, I did. So I'm of course alluding to the fact that Google's in big trouble. Yeah. For, I didn't, you know, I, I remember distinctly. Okay, let's let's get into the news so I can just like do a whole narrative on this. So Google and iHeart Media got in trouble with the ftc, Google and iHeart Media are both gonna have to pay 9 million in penalties for a false advertising lawsuit. So basically what happened is that Google paid iHeartRadio to run a major ad campaign for the Pixel four. And it had radio hosts read scripts where they talked firsthand about their love of the device. So they were doing like, you know, I love my phone because it takes pictures in this capacity. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But some of the DJs as I as I call them, they did not receive the Pixel four in time to actually have like a hands on experience.
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So they were talking about having a favorite phone camera and studio like photos and they weren't really privy to what life was really like with Pixel for. So the, during the first round of ads, now you might remember hearing this, you might not, this was like three years ago pre pandemic and a lot has happened to our brain since then. But I do remember these ads because I was in the car to the airport after the Pixel four event and the Uber Lyft driver was listening to the radio and I remember like, wow, they already have radio ads out for this. You can actually go into the FTC filing and listen to the radio ads and see if it kind of like kickstarts your memory because those were presented as evidence
Jason Howell (00:14:20):
<Laugh>. It's like,
Florence Ion (00:14:21):
You know, yeah. This is what happened. So if you're curious to see if your radio region made it on the list, that's something you can do tonight. Google did send out five devices during like the second round of advertising, but it was too late by then. There were 29,000 ads aired between 2019 and 2020 on the Pixel four. And if the ads hadn't been first person, Google wouldn't be paying 9 million in fines.
Jason Howell (00:14:51):
Yeah. That, that really is kind of, at the end of the day, that's <laugh> that's kind of the takeaway. It's kinda like if you, if if the ads themselves weren't filled with all of the first person, I mean, it's a total script. You know, if if they had taken away the first person elements of this and just said, you know, this, this, well, I don't know, I don't write ad copy, but you know, however you do that, all you gotta do is remove the I statements from it. And this phone is great, you know, it takes great
Florence Ion (00:15:21):
Pictures, you know, this and that. So here's the thing, here's the thing. Now, because I mentioned in the pre-show, you know, I am a millennial, definitely was a petite B. So I definitely listen to the radio mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, when you have an advertisement from like a really big top five radio station in an area, let's say as big as like the Bay Area or New York City, a radio market, I should say. Like a lot of the ads that I hear are first person if a car, like if a dealership is advertising on radio, the dealership will see the DJs with their own leases of the cars. And then, like they were doing this at a station here in the Bay Area I believe it was 99 7. But the DJs, they all got Mercedes <laugh> from Mercedes of San Francisco and they would talk about opening up their G wagon, you know, which just waving their arm and all this stuff because it gives this first person like, oh, well if the cool DJ that I listen to every morning on the way to work, you know, who's like a part of my life is, you know, driving one of these things around than like, clearly this is something.
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So I can kind of see why they went for this kind of marketing. It's true market.
Ron Richards (00:16:30):
It's is no different than the testimonial ads that we do on our
Jason Howell (00:16:33):
Show. Absolutely.
Ron Richards (00:16:34):
I do on other podcasts, you know, like, you know, you know. True. You know, I mean, heck, you know, Jason, remember, you know, blue Apron used to advertise on the podcast and they sent us Blue Apron. You know, like every product that we, you know, like that we talk about, it's gotta be one that you actually talk about that have that au authenticity. Yeah. Yeah. Because it has that connection with the audience, but also it's so easy to just say, oh, well I'll make it up and not do it. And that's what, that's what crosses the
Jason Howell (00:16:59):
Line. Yeah. Well, and I mean, I I can speak from personal, you know, firsthand experience that there have been times in the past where I have had an ad to read that had ice statements in it that I had not used the product. And so I in that moment changed the I statements so that they weren't there anymore because I don't feel comfortable saying I love this thing unless I've actually used it and I actually love it. And I mean, and the good thing about the, the ads that we get here at TWIT is, you know, our ad team does a really great job of making sure, like I get emails from them saying, Hey, you know, we've got this sponsor, they're interested, are you like, is this something that you're even interested in talking about? And I'll look it up and I'll research it and I'll be like, heck yeah, I want to try that out and, and try it for myself. So I I I think, you know, by and large, if you hear TWI hosts talking about, like, I've used, I love you know, about our sponsors, it's because we have for this very reason because if we, if if we didn't, the integrity of everything that we've built here is completely gone.
Ron Richards (00:18:03):
Exactly. Exactly. And so it's so like part of me is glad to hear that they're enforcing this because in this influencer age and this like authenticity, you know, kind of, you know first person kind of experience, it is so easy to just BS it. And so I'm glad that they, that someone filed this and that they're actually enforcing it. Right.
Florence Ion (00:18:24):
Yeah, I agree. I definitely think it is also because we live in an influencer culture that this is kind of under fire. I have noticed like the last couple of years, the attempts that Google has made to market this pixel they really, they really want this to like, take off in the culturals zeitgeist. Sure.
Ron Richards (00:18:45):
And why wouldn't they?
Florence Ion (00:18:47):
Of course. Yeah. Right. It's, that's, that's how you want the product to like flourish. That's how you want the Google brand out there. But it's just, it's just speaking to like the wobbly likes that Google has had on this because the Pixel is still like a new hardware line really. And the branding, like the, the hashtag team pixel, like the hashtag made by Google. I really wanna see how far this stuff is taking off cuz I'm having a hard time getting a gauge on it because I am in the bubble.
Jason Howell (00:19:19):
Yeah. It's hard to know. Inside the bubble <laugh> what's going on,
Florence Ion (00:19:23):
I watch and then I watch, like I watch, you know, major networks and then I'll see like a Pixel commercial and it's like, here's the Pixel seven. It's got like all of this machine learning. It can like delete people from photos, which is
Ron Richards (00:19:38):
Like's is not working. No, what I think it, I mean like, it's really interesting because I'm, I don't know, am I the only one watching the World Cup here amongst us? I'm not watching. Yeah, yeah. I'm not watching it. So they, they are advertising heavily during the World Cup and I was in the bagel place this weekend getting bagels for my wife and I'm holding my Pixel seven and the guy at the bagel place is like, oh, you got that Google phone, can it really erase people from pictures? And I turn and look and he is got the World Cup game on in the store. And I was like, oh, he's seen the commercials, right? So I showed her the Magic Eraser and he was just like, oh my God, it's amazing. Oh, maybe I'll get it. And so like, they're trying to reach people because of course you wanna reach people and like that's the whole nature of it. But to your point, flow, it is hard being in that bubble. It's also hard to see what the impact is because I've yet to see a Pixel seven anywhere else but my own phone out in the wild
Florence Ion (00:20:31):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>. Yep. So yep. Very rarely do I see it in the wild. And now that like I know what to look for on an iPhone, I just, I see that stove top and I'm like, oh, they have an iPhone. They have an iPhone, they have an iPhone, they have a Samsung, they have an iPhone.
Jason Howell (00:20:47):
Right. There's a lot of iPhones,
Ron Richards (00:20:50):
But they're trying, but they're trying, those deals are out there. You can get, you can get a, one of, one of my friends texted me about through Verizon, he traded his phone to get a Pixel seven for like 20 bucks or whatever it
Jason Howell (00:20:59):
Was. Yeah, yeah. I know.
Florence Ion (00:21:00):
I'm kicking myself in the butt. Expensive. I should have
Ron Richards (00:21:03):
Waited. They're doing everything they can to try to get it, you
Jason Howell (00:21:05):
Know. Okay. Can we, can we stop right there? The, I should have waited. I swear, every single year we say that <laugh> every single year we say that same thing. Like, hang, like literally like what has it been a month or two? You know, I should have waited. So just anyone watching listening, I think I said that remember that we always end up saying that because it's true. It always happens like a, a month or two after it's out, you get these crazy ridiculous deals. So you that in mind crazy file that away, but
Ron Richards (00:21:36):
File it away as well. You could also file, file it away with zero day vulnerabilities because and please excuse my voice, we'll see if I make it through the whole show. But <laugh>, so Google's Project Zero is its internal security analyst team that keeps tabs on all the zero day vulnerabilities across all entities on the web. And they're actually now turning the eye of sa on of zero day vulnerabilities towards Android. The team is focusing on a few issues with ARM that were just reported between June and August this year. And Arm addressed the issue swiftly and published a fixed source code, but then Google didn't patch these issues for users. And so it impacted devices that include pixels with Tensor chips and Samsung's Exos also media tech system on chips, which are all arm based. So that's a large pool of devices that were impacted.
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And Google actually told in Gadget that quote, the fix provided by Arm is currently undergoing testing for Android and Pixel devices. It will be delivered in the, in the coming weeks. Android OEM partners will be required to take the patch to comply with future SPL requirements. And so project Zero just wags their finger finger at Google saying, just as users are recommended to patch as quickly as they can once a release containing security updates is available. So the same applies to vendors and companies. So again, I'm, you know, much like I'm glad to see the FTC enforcing the rules around ad reads. It's nice to see the Project Zero team enforcing their own rules amongst their own divisions of their own company. So you gotta be right.
Jason Howell (00:23:04):
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, it's nice to see that. I don't, I don't know what more there is to, to say about it other than you know, a group like this that is really kind of tasked with monitoring and, and kind of calling out when, when, you know, these insecurities exist out in the wild. You know, it's, it's, it's nice to know that they aren't under in like, in a pressurized environment where they can't also kind of apply a little bit of that resistance internally as well. Cuz they, they do a lot of really great discoveries. You know, I I produce security now behind the scenes, you know what with Leo and Steve Gibson, Steve Gibson really produces the content of that show. But I'm, you know, I'm producing behind the scenes kind of watching and listening every week. And there, there are many, many times that, you know, Google's Project Zero kind of comes into play as far as calling out other companies vulnerabilities and the, and the things that they could be doing better. Nice to see them doing that with their own company as well. So, that's all I got on that one.
Ron Richards (00:24:13):
<Laugh>,
Jason Howell (00:24:15):
We, we got lots to say with his thumbs D but what his thumbs up,
Ron Richards (00:24:18):
Thumbs up. It's like,
Jason Howell (00:24:19):
So it is. Okay, good.
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App archiving, we've talked about this in the past and now this feature is appearing in the most recent version from my understanding of the Play Store app. So this is gonna allow you to uninstall an app but still keep the associated data, like the, the really important user data on your device. Think of this as like a really great way if you've got limited storage on your device and you are a big time gamer, is I think the, the, the big kind of example of this, and a lot of these games can be very large, right? So if you've got limited space on your device, you might not have all the space you want to play all of these larger games that occupy space on those devices. So you can actually uninstall an A game to make room for another game.
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And your user data, your progress data within that game can stay loaded on the device that when you reinstall it, you aren't starting from square one again. And it all, you know, of course it all depends on how that app has been designed or developed as far as kind of like save states and progress and all that kind of stuff. But this is pretty great news for people with low to mid-tier devices, especially a lot of those devices don't have nearly as much onboard storage by default. So this is great way to kind of help out with that. You know, offload it when you don't need it, load it back on when you do, and all of that associated data sticks around.
Ron Richards (00:25:56):
So, sounds a lot like the old next bit
Jason Howell (00:25:58):
Robin. I know it does. Yep.
Ron Richards (00:26:00):
Turns out, oh my God, gotta say it every time. Poor, poor one. Pour went out for the next bit, <laugh>
Jason Howell (00:26:04):
For sure. Turns out next bit was onto something just a little bit earlier.
Ron Richards (00:26:09):
Sure. Well, sure was <laugh>, now it's in a gaming phone,
Jason Howell (00:26:12):
But yeah, that's right. That's right. All right, well, we've got a lot more show coming up including some really great hardware news coming up next. But first let's take a moment to thank the sponsor of this episode of All About Android. And that is Code Comments, which is an original podcast from Red Hat. We've had Red Hat on the show many times before with their other podcasts. They just do really great job with their podcast content. You know, when you are working on a project and you leave behind a small reminder in the code <laugh>, if you're, if you're a developer, you probably know this really well, a code comment to help others learn from your work, right? Well, this podcast takes that idea by letting you listen in on two experienced technologists as they describe their building process. You get to kinda see how the sausage is made.
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All right. We've been waiting for the foldable market to get more affordable. More affordable. No, sorry. Oh, I like why I like the direction you're going in. I like it. I'm just, I'm, I'm workshopping here. Foldable, I'm doing some like dad joke shopping. Affordable, foldable, foldable. Yeah. Affordable. It doesn't kind of work because then it just becomes foldable and it's like foldable. It's foldable. Affordable. Affordable <laugh>. Okay, something. Anyways, we'll continue workshopping this in Slack, but what am I actually talking about? Sorry. honor or hunter, depending on how you wanna pronounce it last for the past. I enjoy pronouncing the h has a new foldable called the honor Magic. I don't know if it's vs or versus <laugh>. It really actually could be, could be both because the v is the fold versus might be, you know, the two different screens.
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I don't know. But it's the honor magic vs. Capital V, lowercase s s. So you interpret that however you want to. And this is really taking a page out of the book of the Z fold. So not this, the flip, it's the, it's the like candy bar phone that turns into a more tablet sized device. It's got a 6.45 external inch external display, 120 hertz. Refresh on that. The inner display. Wow, it's so interesting. The inner display is really not that much bigger. 7.9 inch inner display. 90 hertz refresh on that, you got 5,000 million amp hour battery, so pretty nice size battery, 66 wat wired charging. It does have the Snapdragon eight plus gen one. So not the latest gen two processor that's just starting to, to trickle out. So you, so maybe that's part of the reason why this is, you know, a less, a lesser expensive device.
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Eight or 12 gigs of Ram 256 or 512 gigs of storage. You've got the three cameras that you saw there on the re on the, the back of the device, 54 megapixel main, it's got a 50 megapixel ultra wide and then an eight megapixel, three X zoom. So you've got a little bit of that hardware zoom there. That's nice. So the price more affordable, right? Starts at, and by the way, this is launching in China. We world, you know, in other markets we don't know where, we don't know when it's starting in China converted, it comes out to around $1,050 us. So, you know, that would be the price that here in the US you'd expect to see the Z flip right around a thousand bucks. Here you've got the full design coming in at the cost of what we would pay for the Z flip, which I think, you know, which is a great direction honor, you know, I've I've very early on in the honor brand lifespan. I got to got to review one of the, at this point, I can't remember the model number of it, but it was a really well-designed device. It was all glass. I remember I, I ended up cracking the glass on the back, but still it was a beautiful device.
Florence Ion (00:31:54):
Was it the honor eight?
Jason Howell (00:31:56):
Maybe it was the honor eight. I've got it back in my office. And the catacombs of devices, I can't remember, was it the
Florence Ion (00:32:03):
Honor eight <laugh>?
Jason Howell (00:32:04):
When did that come out? Yeah, anyways,
Florence Ion (00:32:07):
It came out in 2016.
Jason Howell (00:32:09):
Yeah, it might, you know what? I think it is the Honor eight. Yes, it's the Honor eight. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. That's it. Nice memory.
Florence Ion (00:32:16):
Well, I remember I, it was the year I got married and also I went to the Cal Academy for that launch.
Jason Howell (00:32:22):
Yeah. And I mean, just a really, yes. Anyways, yes, that was a very, anyways, a pretty device. <Laugh> still, like I'm looking at it right now and yeah, it's a pretty still pretty device. Yeah, it so what do you think 1,050 for a, for a foldable. I don't know if that's what the price would be in in other markets, if it would be similar to that, but that sounds like a pretty solid pricing placement for this type of device. In my opinion,
Florence Ion (00:32:47):
It's way better than what the Z fold for is going for. Yeah. I understand the specifications of the Z fold for though, or probably a little more than this. Yes. But the price point has been kind of the big issue for me with the foldables at the same time. I don't know that I wanna go back to life without it.
Jason Howell (00:33:09):
Yeah, because you've been really getting very very pro fold. Right. Which, which is the device that you have right now. I know I've seen you too fast.
Florence Ion (00:33:17):
The fold, the Z fold for
Jason Howell (00:33:20):
Is, okay, so the latest Z fold. Yes. Yeah.
Florence Ion (00:33:22):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. That's correct. And
Jason Howell (00:33:23):
You're, and you're really getting into it sounds like.
Florence Ion (00:33:27):
Yeah, I'm pretty, I recently told my editor that I feel like it's my phone of the year.
Jason Howell (00:33:33):
Oh wow. Oh, wow. Bold.
Florence Ion (00:33:36):
Yeah. I didn't imagine that I would be this into it, but I,
Jason Howell (00:33:41):
I didn't see this, I didn't see this coming. This was not on my bingo car. This is on the rest
Florence Ion (00:33:46):
<Laugh>. I well, and that's why I'm like, well, crap, now I'm gonna have to like save money because I think I'm gonna actually wanna buy one of these next year.
Jason Howell (00:33:54):
Yeah. Yeah.
Florence Ion (00:33:55):
So that's why I just bought a, a pixel seven this year. Cause I really needed to upgrade to something. And so I think next year I'll finally have the camera system in the fold that I really want.
Jason Howell (00:34:07):
I bet you Samsung will let you let you trade in your Pixel seven and probably give you a reasonable trade-in value.
Florence Ion (00:34:14):
I'm kind of going to start planning my, my smartphone buying based on the trade-ins. Now it just feels like that's the way to do it. And at least in that way you can recycle the device.
Jason Howell (00:34:25):
Yeah, right. It's, it's in some way more responsible. And also the companies have been, I mean, as evidenced by this black Friday season and Google's insane trade-in values for old pixels to get the Pixel seven as evidenced by Samsung. This is now the second year in a row that I've really noticed the insane value you get for previous galaxy devices and not even like new previous Galaxy devices. They give you insane trade-in value. They're offering more for these trade-ins than I feel like they they used to even a couple of years ago. You know, a lot of these companies are doing really well with that. So that's a good strategy in my opinion.
Florence Ion (00:35:09):
Yeah.
Jason Howell (00:35:09):
Yeah. <Laugh>. Well, if I get a big thought coming at, I know I was waiting for
Florence Ion (00:35:17):
Everyone. Forgive us. I just wanted to give some runway space in case Ron wanted to comment,
Jason Howell (00:35:23):
Been talking. Ron's like, I'm not gonna talk very much tonight. I don't have a bunch of a voice.
Florence Ion (00:35:28):
Well, is this a good time for me to segue into your next heck
Jason Howell (00:35:32):
Yeah, do go for it. Do it. Okay.
Florence Ion (00:35:34):
All right. So speaking of Samsung, Samsung is actually bringing a luxury version of its foldables to China, which is very exciting. The W 23 and W 23 flip. So I guess not the foldable versions that you were thinking of, but more luxurious versions of the, of the one that goes small. The
Jason Howell (00:35:54):
Look of both of them. It's, it's the fold end the flip, right?
Florence Ion (00:35:57):
Oh, sorry. The W 20 I,
Jason Howell (00:36:00):
Yeah. Cause cause they completely changed the, the model numbers for some weird reason. Like why, why call it a W 23 and a, anyways, it might mean something in China, but Yeah. One of these is the flip redux. And one of these is the, is really redux.
Florence Ion (00:36:15):
This is really hardcore like luxury.
Jason Howell (00:36:19):
Yeah. Yeah. They're, they're they're special <laugh>.
Florence Ion (00:36:24):
Wow. Okay. All right. So pricing speaking of pricing converts to around 1386 s d for the flip. So you might note that's much more than what we are currently offering it in the us. And then hold your beans for this one. 2217 for the fold version.
Jason Howell (00:36:47):
You thought $1,700 was a lot for a fold. How about $2,217? I mean, little it's broke.
Ron Richards (00:36:55):
I was gonna say on I was, it looks like, like melted gold on the front of it. Yeah, I was gonna say with the honor magic versus, or whatever vs. Or whatever it is. Like the biggest problem with foldables is the price point. Yeah. Right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> is that they're, they're not at that affordable level yet. And so it's nice to see the honor magic going in that direction. And meanwhile, Samsung just goes in the opposite direction. Just goes
Jason Howell (00:37:17):
<Laugh>. Yeah.
Florence Ion (00:37:18):
Well maybe there's some, you know, maybe the Chinese market is, maybe they're using the Chinese market to sort of test out this idea, I would assume. Yeah. they also have a tiny bit, like more ram, they have 16 gigs of ram, which is an upgrade from the 12 gigs in the regular Z fold four. So, you
Jason Howell (00:37:41):
Know, it's in the Z flip. So they almost got, this has twice as much ram as the Z flip. If you're getting this. It's
Florence Ion (00:37:49):
A little overkill for the flip, but Yeah.
Jason Howell (00:37:50):
Yeah, totally. Like is it necessary? No, but at least you get it. I, if you're, if you're spending, you know, $350 more for it ceramic back, so not glass, it's ceramic. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So, you know, there's some, some upgrades. You can see the, the little what is it? The, the the spine has that little textured quality to it.
Florence Ion (00:38:13):
A diamond pattern.
Jason Howell (00:38:15):
A diamond pattern. A diamond. Not, not actually it's
Florence Ion (00:38:18):
S
Jason Howell (00:38:19):
Yeah,
Florence Ion (00:38:19):
It's a very mc bla era.
Jason Howell (00:38:20):
Mm-Hmm. Yeah, totally. What was that? What was that Android brand that always came out with the, the the, the crazy ridiculously expensive and usually covered in, in gold plating. It's like some gangs. Virtue Vivir,
Ron Richards (00:38:34):
That's what it was, was her two with the Makadi, right. With
Jason Howell (00:38:37):
The
Ron Richards (00:38:37):
Where is where Mateo, where's
Jason Howell (00:38:40):
Mateo and we need him. Exactly.
Ron Richards (00:38:42):
And for those who are keeping score, that's the second time Flos mentioned Mc bling in this evening. So
Florence Ion (00:38:47):
I know, I know. It's, I've been watching a lot of, you
Jason Howell (00:38:50):
Know, it's a mixed thing.
Ron Richards (00:38:53):
<Laugh> <laugh>.
Jason Howell (00:38:55):
Oh, so luxury version that this is, so, like on, on one hand you've got the, the, the cheap On the other hand, you've got the ridiculously expensive love it. But it does look nice. I mean, it looks nice. There's certainly, there's it's luxury. It's luxurious smaller market for this sort of device, but there is a market there, there are people out there that are happy to spend more for the foldable that stands out, I suppose.
Florence Ion (00:39:21):
You know, the other thing by the way before we move on that they do on TikTok is I found somebody he takes apart leather luxury purses and tells you how much leather, like how, how much money of leather and the quality is actually in the purse and whether you've like overpaid.
Jason Howell (00:39:41):
So you probably always have overpaid, right?
Florence Ion (00:39:44):
Oh, oh, of course. Yeah. I mean, a Prada bag is not made of the finest leather like
Jason Howell (00:39:50):
<Laugh>, right?
Florence Ion (00:39:51):
Yeah. But it, this is what this Samsung phone reminds me
Jason Howell (00:39:54):
Of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well it is pretty, it's pretty. Just look at it, just I bet it, I bet that that ceramic back feels so nice. Looks so nice. And then Ron, you've got the last one here, which goes in a completely opposite direction.
Ron Richards (00:40:12):
I do. Yeah. So we we're starting to hear rumblings of the Pixel seven A and of course when that, when you hear those rumblings, what follows are leaks? So we've gotten some leaks of the design which eh, anti-climatic, cuz it looks like the Pixel seven <laugh>, which is what anybody and we all expected. Yeah, that's
Jason Howell (00:40:32):
Exactly what they go for.
Ron Richards (00:40:34):
It's got a flat display, matte band, two camera lenses. It's gonna have white and dark gray color options. So there you go. That's the there's your Pixel seven a leak. Oh
Jason Howell (00:40:45):
My goodness. Look at it. It looks like a Pixel seven.
Florence Ion (00:40:49):
Wow. Wow.
Jason Howell (00:40:51):
They could have given us the Pixel seven A with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles band. That would've, you know,
Ron Richards (00:40:57):
That would've been cool. I I, I would've liked, I I will admit a crazy color combination would've been very cool. Like the, like a red with a gold band or like, something like that that gives it a little more like, Hey, notice me instead of I'm blending into the luxury wall.
Jason Howell (00:41:11):
Yeah.
Ron Richards (00:41:11):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> not just luxury, but just more personality.
Jason Howell (00:41:15):
Personality, yeah, yeah, yeah. These things don't have a whole lot of personality. That's, they're, they're pretty bland colors, really. <Laugh>,
Florence Ion (00:41:24):
But, well, personality, you can charge it. You don't have to charge as much for personality. You could make money off of it.
Ron Richards (00:41:31):
Well, because the battery isn't
Jason Howell (00:41:32):
That big. Big, yeah. <Laugh>. Oh yeah. It, I guess your personality comes from the case that you put on it. Your, your Kate Spade case, or lack of case in my case, or, yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Well, there you go. Some fun hardware this week. All right, coming up, we've got some app news to report two-thirds of which has something to do with the wearable that you may or may not already have on your wrist. That's coming up next. But first, this episode of All About Android is brought to you by Rocket Money. This is all about subscriptions, right? You are, do you even know if you're wasting money on subscriptions? That's the thing. So many times we have these subscriptions, we don't even know that we have some of them. They came on, you know, into our account they've been drawing every month.
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Ron Richards (00:45:53):
All right. So, excuse me, Flo I don't think we've spoken since I returned my Pixel watch.
Jason Howell (00:46:01):
He, he had it and he returned it.
Ron Richards (00:46:04):
I returned it in the two week window and I just, I was not for me. And little I little things about the Pixel Watch and where os keep reinforcing this decision as, for example I didn't even have the watch long enough to realize that two of the biggest apps from Google are nonexistent on where os Gmail and calendar apps are currently in testing for where OS three. So they're coming soon, but I didn't even realize that they weren't on the, the dang phone either. Sources are saying they will be full featured apps which is funny. But it still begs the question, how are these not already on Wear os it's Gmail for Christ's sakes. Oh my gosh. Or your calendar for events and things like that. The
Jason Howell (00:46:53):
Count, yeah. Calendar makes a lot of sense for me to have on my, on my wearable because so much of you know, of, of a watch, right? Just a watch at its core is about keeping time and Calendar seems to fit in that in a, in a wider sense Gmail. Like, I mean, aside from notifications and voice entry replies, which you could do without a Gmail app. Like I doubt I'm gonna use my wearable to punch in an email. It's gonna be all voice.
Ron Richards (00:47:21):
I, I wouldn't punch in an email, but I would read an email.
Jason Howell (00:47:26):
Yeah. I mean mm-hmm. <Affirmative> mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, I guess as I'm thinking about it right now, like I really, I couldn't do that before. That's so interesting. Right. But maybe I, maybe I couldn't. I don't know. Are you still wearing the Pixel Watch Flow? Do you have it? No,
Florence Ion (00:47:42):
No. I'm wearing, I'm still wearing the Galaxy Watch for
Jason Howell (00:47:45):
Do you do, are you able to read, read email on your, on your Galaxy Watch and
Florence Ion (00:47:50):
Stuff? Well, I I don't read email on here because I I
Jason Howell (00:47:53):
Who wants to read an
Florence Ion (00:47:54):
Email, do email notifications? Yeah. I, I cut them off, but I do everything else on it. Yeah. You know, I even like I put this cute Hello Kitty watch Face Man.
Ron Richards (00:48:06):
I would, I would, I would not never, I would turn notifications off. I mean, like, I turn notifications off of my device, like the same way. I don't want the interruption, I don't want that sort of thing. But in the same way that I use my phone as a triage device, I would've, you know, I would've used the watch as a triage device to be like, oh wow, that's an email I need to go to my computer and go deal with, you know? But but yeah, not so much.
Jason Howell (00:48:28):
So yeah. So interesting.
Ron Richards (00:48:30):
Yeah, flow. Basically the, the, the, the straw that broke the camel's back was just the podcast app that comes with it was just garbage and, and there, and the fact that there's no Google podcast or no podcasts was a deal breaker for me. So I said I had it.
Florence Ion (00:48:46):
You know, I don't have that on my Samsung watch, but I have Peloton.
Ron Richards (00:48:52):
Cool.
Jason Howell (00:48:54):
There you go. Okay. <laugh>, <laugh> good enough.
Florence Ion (00:48:59):
Yeah. Ask me what's on my Peloton in the garage right now. <Laugh>,
Ron Richards (00:49:03):
What's on your Peloton in the garage? Like
Florence Ion (00:49:05):
A lot of clothes.
Ron Richards (00:49:06):
I was gonna say clothes. Yeah. <laugh>. Anyway, <laugh>.
Jason Howell (00:49:13):
So you got a Peloton app on your, on your watch, you just don't need to.
Florence Ion (00:49:16):
I do, yes, yes,
Jason Howell (00:49:17):
Yes. I just, you just have no need for it. No. Well
Florence Ion (00:49:23):
Theoretically I
Jason Howell (00:49:24):
Should. Theoretically you do. Yes. Yes. All right. Well we've got related news to this and it's yours flow.
Florence Ion (00:49:31):
Oh, that's right. We do have a related news. This is not okay <laugh>, if you are on an older watch, if you are on where OS two, I think it's time that you start thinking about upgrading because it's very clear that the path for you is not going forward. It is eventually going to reach the end. Google Maps and Google Keep are apparently no longer available for those on where OS two, which is a bummer because those are two, those are, those are the apps that you want on a watch. You know, you, you wanna be able to bring up the grocery list and you wanna be able to have walking directions to figure out where the Bode is so you can get your morning after bagel. Right? now it seems that while Google <laugh> Google is updating the apps for where OS three, it's just completely drop support for those on older versions of where OS and anywhere os two devices with these apps already installed will still have access to the apps, but they will not be able to reinstall them or find them in the play store going forward, which is a bummer.
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There are other apps from Google still available though. There's Gboard, there's Google Fit, there's Wallet, there's messages, there's YouTube music. I know how much you love YouTube music. Yeah. so, you know, maybe those are things that you, you still hold onto, but really I think it's time that you get a new Androids more watch,
Jason Howell (00:50:58):
But, Hmm. I just, Hmm. I don't know this, this thing bugs me. This, this one kind of bugs me. I know this, this idea that okay, we've got this new version. There's what two devices running it right now. I don't know how many devices are on where three, but not very a
Florence Ion (00:51:16):
Technical. There has to be a technical limitation here. There must be, there's gotta something they did to where OS three Yeah. That only works on the new processors or something, right? This is what I'm trying to like,
Jason Howell (00:51:27):
Yeah, because where OS three was a really big you know, big transition from where OS two, it's just
Florence Ion (00:51:36):
Like know nobody talked about where OS two
Jason Howell (00:51:38):
I'm, I'm looking on Wikipedia at the list of, you know where OS devices and I sorted and I mean the number of where OS two watches is insane. Like, there's so many in here and so you're out for so long, they've been around for so long. So yeah, I mean on one hand I like, I guess I kind of get it at a certain point you have to deprecate things, but it's just, it's hard to think that now is the time to deprecate where os two watches because where OS three just came out. Like, I don't know, it just seems it must be a technical limitation. You're right Flo, that that has to be the explanation. Wait,
Speaker 4 (00:52:14):
Wait a second though. Google Keep is a frigging list and that syncs. That's all it does. Like
Florence Ion (00:52:20):
How can it's, it's, it's very hardware intensive. Burke, those lists,
Jason Howell (00:52:25):
<Laugh>, they're really big lists.
Florence Ion (00:52:27):
They're really big lists.
Jason Howell (00:52:29):
<Laugh> of course. We're, we're joking, but I think we're joking. Yeah,
Florence Ion (00:52:37):
I mean I agree with Burke. I'm just, you know, yeah.
Jason Howell (00:52:40):
I mean maybe Maps is a little bit, maybe maps, I understand a little bits more. But even then
Speaker 4 (00:52:45):
Maps, I could, I could say, I could think, you know, that, that that could be a hardware limitation. Yeah. It's not that you would really want it on your phone, I mean, on your watch to begin with,
Jason Howell (00:52:55):
But I could, but I actually kind of do understand a map on, on the watch, you know, like navigation. I don't know. I guess I'm thinking back to when I used Google Glass and navigate it with Google Absolutely. For navigation. And then I remember about the same time, I can't remember if it was before or after the wearable happened, you know, the, the, the watches started to come out and it was kinda like, okay, so they're, they're kind of one in the same, in my mind it's kinda like, okay, I could see, you know, driving and, and wanting to have that navigation synced to my watch. So it tells me, oh, turn left here, turn right here, or whatever. So I don't know, it just kind of rubs me the wrong way that this happened. And, and I agree. Are they gonna do this with all their other apps and if so, wow.
Florence Ion (00:53:42):
I agree with you because they were offering these old watches out of Discount everywhere. Yeah. And it's, it's crappy.
Jason Howell (00:53:50):
Not a lot of people have 'em. Are they still wearing them? Yeah. I don't know. <Laugh>, a lot of people have them.
Florence Ion (00:53:56):
Probably not.
Jason Howell (00:53:57):
Yeah. Yeah. Oh well. Yeah. And Ron's like, I don't care. I got rid of my Pixel watch. I know.
Ron Richards (00:54:07):
Whatever Chip sail, man, I'm Google Maps, come
Jason Howell (00:54:10):
On. Tried and it, and it failed me. So Peace out.
Florence Ion (00:54:14):
You know what, Ron, you're not alone though. Andy who co-hosts the material podcast with me on the Relay FM network. Yeah. he's also kind of feeling similarly
Ron Richards (00:54:25):
About just not, not fully baked. Not fully baked. That's the issue. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, the watch was neat. It was nice Battery died like that. But I could have done
Florence Ion (00:54:34):
With Soft Crust.
Ron Richards (00:54:35):
I, I could've, yeah, I could, I could've done stuff to make the battery life last longer, but ultimately just not for me. It's okay. We'll get 'em next time. It's
Florence Ion (00:54:43):
Not your job. It's not your job. Yep.
Ron Richards (00:54:45):
I will say our next story, Jason, this happened to me and I spent like five minutes dealing with the fact that it happened.
Jason Howell (00:54:52):
Oh, okay. Well,
Ron Richards (00:54:54):
Cause I didn't, I didn't believe it was happening. So
Jason Howell (00:54:56):
What what, what is what is the story behind Ron's trauma? Well, it is Google messages, full emoji reactions. Yep. Rolling out to some users. So don't, don't misunderstand what I'm saying here. Google messages, emoji reactions has rolled out to a lot of people. I still don't have it on my messages app, so it seems like everybody has it. But me at this point, this is different. This is a test of allowing people to react with the whole suite of emoji, not just the six or seven that they give you the standard seven reactions.
Ron Richards (00:55:34):
The thumbs up. The
Jason Howell (00:55:35):
Thumbs. Yeah. The, yeah, exactly. This is like every emoji. Like if you wanna, you know, if you want to add a, a poop emoji to that, that message, go for it. And it will attach that as a reaction. Definitely still just a test. I don't know if this is gonna roll out widely. I have to imagine there's some compatibility issues to solve around if, you know, it's a whole set of emoji and how that syncs up between devices. I don't know. It seems like that would be complicated to some degree, but No, no,
Florence Ion (00:56:07):
No. What
Jason Howell (00:56:08):
Do
Florence Ion (00:56:09):
You see? Do you see all you're gonna get,
Ron Richards (00:56:10):
Do you see at the edge of the emo that row of emojis? Yeah, there's the one on the far right is this smile face of the plus focus. If I, if I tap
Jason Howell (00:56:18):
That can see it.
Ron Richards (00:56:19):
If I tap that, it gives me every emoji to choose from.
Jason Howell (00:56:24):
Sure. Okay. So when you, and
Ron Richards (00:56:26):
It, it blew my mind. Blew my,
Jason Howell (00:56:28):
And that, and that's awesome. I'm just wondering about, like, every phone has different, you know, some phones have different emoji sets. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> now there's
Ron Richards (00:56:36):
No, the standard flow, you know, this back me up here. The standard emoji set is defined.
Jason Howell (00:56:44):
It is
Florence Ion (00:56:45):
Like every, yes. And also, so the thing is, Jason, if you send an emoji to somebody who does not have the capability on their end, let's say they're on iOS, or let's say they're on different version of Android, then you're gonna get what we used to get from iMessage people, which is, you'll get a reaction too and then quote the whole message.
Jason Howell (00:57:05):
Got it.
Florence Ion (00:57:06):
So it'll be a little annoying. But the idea was implemented a, I believe, to smack iOS users just a tiny bit <laugh> and b, just to, just to make it backwards compatible. Yeah.
Jason Howell (00:57:20):
Yeah. Okay. Right. Alright, that makes sense. Yeah.
Ron Richards (00:57:23):
But the thing is that the, the, the emojis that you choose from are the same on iOS or whatever, because it's the standard set of emojis that you can choose from that are defined by the Unicode emoji library, you know, shared library.
Jason Howell (00:57:34):
Yeah. I guess, I guess, yeah. I guess where I was headed though is that some, some earlier versions of Android had different emoji sets. Right. Like Samsung, they
Ron Richards (00:57:42):
Looked different. It was the same emojis though.
Jason Howell (00:57:44):
Well, but, but every new version of Android seems to bring with it a new updated emoji Unicode set. And not all devices have that up updated set. Right. They're not, they're not
Florence Ion (00:57:58):
Completely over because the emoji are actually updated through the Google keyboard app, the G board app.
Jason Howell (00:58:04):
Oh, okay. So then Google's managing it, and then if you're using that, then everybody's on the same page. Okay.
Florence Ion (00:58:09):
Google's made it. Here we go.
Jason Howell (00:58:11):
That was my confusion
Florence Ion (00:58:12):
On the back end.
Jason Howell (00:58:12):
Yep. Okay. Cool. neat. Well then why not, why not have the whole assortment of emoji to reply with or to,
Florence Ion (00:58:21):
To, I mean, I use prayer hands all the time
Jason Howell (00:58:24):
And now you bare heads, you can, well, if you're in on this test, you probably can't right now. But wrong.
Florence Ion (00:58:29):
No, I, I used it with my best friend who's on an iPhone the other day.
Jason Howell (00:58:32):
So you've got the, you're part of this test. Yeah. For the phone.
Florence Ion (00:58:36):
I thought it already. Oh,
Jason Howell (00:58:37):
Okay. Article I read made it seem like it was very limited test. So that's,
Ron Richards (00:58:42):
No, it's really just every Google Messages user. Unless you're Jason Howell.
Jason Howell (00:58:46):
Yeah, apparently.
Ron Richards (00:58:47):
Yes. That's what I don't even have. That's what it says. You're the control group. Jason Control
Jason Howell (00:58:50):
Group. Yes. Correct. How does the control group feel about this? Very left out. That's how the control group feels about this. <Laugh>,
Ron Richards (00:58:57):
You're gonna write an article about the emotional damage and
Jason Howell (00:59:00):
<Laugh>. Yes, yes. I'm gonna, and that article's gonna be filled with nothing but emoji like, like sad emoji. So anyways, all right.
Ron Richards (00:59:12):
Oh, that's funny. That's very funny.
Florence Ion (00:59:14):
So emoji. So
Jason Howell (00:59:15):
Yeah,
Ron Richards (00:59:16):
So sad. Alright. Well, luckily, as my voice continues to fail thankfully our good friend JR Raphael's here with an awesome tip about clipboard syncing. So Jr take it away.
JR Raphael (00:59:29):
Hey, good to see everyone. So I don't know about you, but I am constantly going back and forth between my phone and a computer. Sometimes it's my Windows desktop here in the esteemed Android Intelligence International headquarters, and sometimes it's a Chromebook out and about in the world, or even just around my own house in the evening. And while Google's got a really great super simple cross device file sharing feature called Nearby Share, you can only use it on Android devices and Chromebooks. It's pretty limiting. We've been hearing about an expansion that bring that system to Windows for a while now, but so far we haven't seen any actual signs of that becoming available. If you're using a Mac or a Linux desktop, well, you're just completely out of luck or so Id seem. Today we're gonna get into some simple steps for smarter sharing between your Android phone and whatever kind of computer you're using.
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We'll start with the simplest part of all text. I mean, seriously, how awesome would it be if you could just copy something on your phone and then go paste it onto your computer a second later, or vice versa for that matter. Google had a way to do that for a while. It was tucked away as an off by default experiment in Chrome, but at some point the company stopped working on it and the option just disappeared. You've got a couple really great options for making that same sort of thing happen now, though. And once you get 'em set up, they could be much easier to use. So, up first, if you're using Windows on the computer front and you don't mind ditching g gboard on Android, the simplest option of all is to rely on the Microsoft Swift Key keyboard on your phone. It's got an option deep within it settings that'll let you sync your phone's clipboard directly to Windows.
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Once you activate that, all you've gotta do is go into the system section of your Windows settings, find a clipboard area there to flip on two connected options on that side. Now, if you aren't using Windows or you'd rather just not use Swift Key, there is another really, really good alternative for you. It's an app called Clipped, clipped the easiest name to say. But install that thing on your phone than install the companion Chrome extension on whatever computer you're using. And any text you copy on your computer will just automatically appear in your phone's clipboard. Be ready to paste wherever you want. On the Android front. You'll have one extra step after you copy something, you've gotta tap on a persistent notification or a special quick settings tile, and that'll send any text you copy into the Sync Clipboard. And once you do that, it'll just be there on your computer and waiting.
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All this left is to hit Control V to paste it anywhere you want. Pretty handy stuff. And in terms of Privacy clip is actually created by the same company behind One Plus, so pretty known, pretty well trusted developer. The app doesn't see or store any of your data or anything like that. It relies on your own personal Google Drive storage, securely sync, all of your stuff. It's free to use to, and man, believe me, it'll make your life a heck of a lot easier. We'll pick up here next week and talk about an insanely simple way to share files between your phone and any computer you're using without having to rely on that nearby share system. And hey, remember you can get all sorts of advanced Android info like this in your inbox with my Android Intelligence newsletter. You'll get three new things to try every week that's completely free for you. Just head over to android intel net slash twi to get your first issue and get a few custom bonus tips while you're at it. That site, again is android intel net slash twi. I'll see you there and I'll see you right back here next week,
Jason Howell (01:03:17):
JR. Just keeps springing the Awesome. That's a great, very cool, great app. I've
Ron Richards (01:03:22):
Never heard of Clip was That's very cool.
Jason Howell (01:03:24):
We've talked about it at some point. Maybe
Ron Richards (01:03:26):
Echo echoes of push bullet.
Jason Howell (01:03:28):
Yeah, for sure. Oh, push bullet.
Ron Richards (01:03:31):
Yep. If there, if there's an App Hall of Fame push bullet should be in it.
Jason Howell (01:03:35):
Yeah. Mm. Yeah, I love that. Yep. Haven't used it in a very long time.
Ron Richards (01:03:40):
Neither vibe, but it always, every now and then it nas me to log into my new phone when it installs the app and I just don't use it.
Jason Howell (01:03:47):
But yeah, I mean, push, push Bullet Hall of Fame, not necessarily because it's still an app that I used, but there was a certain time where it was, I used it all the time and it really was revolutionary.
Ron Richards (01:03:59):
It really, it, it really changed the game at the moment. It came out in terms of what you could do between computer to phone kind of interaction and other apps followed, clearly clipped, you know, inspired by it. Yeah. but yeah, definitely it, it, it for what it did at the time, that's what gets it into the Hall of Fame.
Jason Howell (01:04:14):
Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff JR thank you for always bringing it and sounds like there's another part of this coming next week. So stay tuned for that. Up next, we've got some of your feedback, so we're gonna get to that in a moment. But first, let's take a a few minutes to thank the sponsor of this episode of All About Android. And that is Secure Works. Secure Works is a leader in cyber security. They're building solutions for security experts by security experts. Secureworks actually offers superior threat detection and rapid incident response all while making sure that customers are never locked into a single vendor. Secureworks offers an open extended detection and response platform. They call it pages xdr, get it extended detection and response. And now is the time to get it. Why you might ask, well, just a few numbers here for you.
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I mean, I can't think of a, a time in the past, I dunno, couple of years where we haven't gotten more emails than the three blocks that we have here. So send them in, cross your fingers and maybe you'll get red like will will in quote, now it's cold at Tigered, Oregon. There you go. Never heard of TID before. Will says, I was just listening actually still listening to the episode to the episode, last week's episode. And you guys were talking about Al E x a Amazon's voice assistant possibly going away. And I just went, no, in my head I have both Google Home and Alexa. Dang it. I did it Ale x a products. Although my Google Homes stay off due to my frustration with them. We use Amazon's voice system all over the house because they have more wake words.
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You know, the AAL X A of course, Amazon, a few others than, I'm not gonna say cause I might trigger 'em. We use all of them. They still have location based routines to turn things on when we get home. Google got rid of them. In my opinion, Amazon's is just better than Google's offering when it comes to smart home stuff because they do what you ask and don't try to guess. I asked to Google home to turn on dark mode thinking it would put my phone in dark mode or tell me I it can't do that yet, but instead it turned all the lights in my house off <laugh>. Well, I mean, okay, this is just me speaking real quick. That's dark mode. I mean, that's dark mode. It's just not the dark mode that you were hoping for <laugh>. I honestly, I think that's pretty hilarious.
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Sorry, <laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry if that was inconvenient, but I don't know. I give Google a point for that one. Yes, Amazon's kind of sucks answering questions, but we still have our phones for asking Google things other than how old is random celebrity. We ask that a lot for some reason. I really hope Amazon does not get rid of the echo, but I guess the good times had to stop sometime. What a waste if they really do that though. Thank you for reading. So there you go. Yeah, I don't, I don't know if they're gonna get rid of them. I guess that's the big question, right? Is okay, so they're losing a lot of money on these things. And actually Chasy, who's now ceo from my understanding, cares a lot less about this stuff than Bezos did before him. So maybe they will get rid of it, but I I just kind of always assumed they were a loss leader. Anyways, that's always been my assumption. So when I read this news, I was, was kinda like, yeah, is, I mean, was it ever making gobs of money off, you know, of revenue? I, I just never thought that it was so but I hope for you because you love this device that it doesn't go away. So there you go.
Ron Richards (01:11:29):
All right. Onto the next email. We'll see if I get through it. It's sure. Donald writes in. Yes, it's short. Thank God. So Donald writes in and says, in Google podcasts you can search for anything, for example, a host or guest by typing in search. Unfortunately, the results are based on an episode popularity, I believe, with no reverse chronological option. I'm sure Google could add this in some search operators too. I sent feedback to Google Podcasts on exactly this subject this morning, so I did a double take a couple hours later when I heard Jason evoke this on the TWI live audio stream. Thanks for a great show, Donald. And let me tell you, Donald, I feel like the people who make Google podcasts don't actually use podcasts.
Jason Howell (01:12:10):
Could be That's my theory. Could be so, or they make their product and they don't actually use it. That sort of thing, or
Ron Richards (01:12:16):
That too. I mean that's, that's, we're both saying the same thing there. So
Jason Howell (01:12:20):
Yeah, because everyone listens to podcasts, there's no way that they don't listen to podcasts.
Ron Richards (01:12:25):
True. Yeah. They're listening to it. They're not listening to it on their own product though. Yeah.
Jason Howell (01:12:28):
Yeah. Are they listening, man,
Ron Richards (01:12:29):
Google remember when Google Podcasts came out, we're like, this could be, this could be a moment in time that will change podcasting, right? Like imagine the, the, the, the might of Google and search and what you can do behind it and Yeah. It just is yet another failure to launch on Google's part in terms of entering a space. So,
Jason Howell (01:12:47):
Yeah.
Jason Howell (01:12:50):
Yeah, you're right. When it came out, we were like, wow, this is this
Ron Richards (01:12:54):
Has, it's so much
Jason Howell (01:12:55):
Like taking, taking the the complicated nature of audio files that have a lot of information within them, but they're audio files and not inherently searchable. I mean, you can, you know, you can get to a point to where you can extract that audio you know, and, and, and make it searchable. That's like, that's kind of what I thought Google was gonna do with Google podcasts is really go granular and be like, in the same way that Google, you know goes out onto the web and scans the, the text of every website that it's allowed to touch and all of that is searchable. Why? What would be amazing is if podcasts had that granularity of search as well, so that if I'm looking for this answer to this certain thing, or did this person say this to that person, like, I could search into the content of podcasts that I think is like, and, and I don't think, I don't think Google Podcast does that.
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They keep making these steps of like, well now you can search for a host that appears on a podcast like I just did. Robert ZECs as a random name that just came to mind. You know, it pulled back three options from different podcasts. You know, one from this year, one from 20 16, 1 from 2022. So, oh. And, and there's view more. So I guess there are more. So, I mean, so that's neat. But I don't know. There just seems like there's a lot of lost potential of, we're not going into the episodes themselves. That's also probably a really really complicated to do.
Florence Ion (01:14:27):
But if anybody can figure
Jason Howell (01:14:28):
It out, it's Google and it, it's just not. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, totally. Totally. Yeah, I totally agree. So anyways, thank you Donald for ready.
Florence Ion (01:14:39):
The things,
Jason Howell (01:14:40):
The things, the things, you know, what I, you know what I mean? The things, you know, the things <laugh>.
Florence Ion (01:14:48):
Well, we have, we're gonna end on a really great note because this week's email of the week, thank you Burke for that one is on my roster now. So it's, it's it's time for us to read the email of the week
Jason Howell (01:15:10):
Flow's. Taking a look. Flows a little loud. Practice
Florence Ion (01:15:13):
<Laugh>. Sorry. I am, I am. Forgive me. Alright, so this one comes in from Bill bowling. Bill writes, I have several chromecasts of Google TV slash remotes. Did you know the storage can be expanded using an Amazon purchase for USBC hub Ute Tech Smart six and one USBC to htm I adapter with a thousand M ethernet <laugh>. You can add, thank you by the way, for, just for that
Jason Howell (01:15:41):
Love their titles on
Florence Ion (01:15:43):
Amazon product. Let me finish this, then I'm gonna go look for it. Okay. Using Amazon purchase for et cetera. So you can add a USB storage jungle and add the ability to have a wired ethernet connection. Google TV has options to store programs in the external storage and thereby allow you to add as many TV channels or other utility apps as you wish. So not so limited. Enjoy the freedom as I do Hugs to you all at twit. Well, thank you Bill for the hug. Thank you. Thank you for the hug. That's a great tip. That's nice. Yeah, that is a great tip. I will say that Google does have now if you go to store.google.com you will type in ethernet. I'm gonna try and find this myself. And the ethernet adapter for Chromecast or Google TV is $20. I'm gonna, I'm gonna link be to this and we'll
Jason Howell (01:16:34):
See if he has a, so you add ether at dongle to, to wire in instead of That's it. Wifi. Oh, I mean that's the Google I got you. That's the, that's what Google offers as far as expandability. Okay.
Florence Ion (01:16:47):
Yes. But that's it. It's just to connect it to ethernet. I like Bill's suggestion because he looked up a adapter that could support ethernet while also being able to support a, I guess a
Jason Howell (01:17:01):
Hard drive or expand the storage. Yeah. Cuz we were, we were talking last week about I can't remember what, what story it was related to, but just about how a lot of the Google TV devices always have limited storage. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, you know, that that storage is always, and, and it seems like the kind of device that should by default have more storage, not less. And so this is a way to get around that. And yeah, Amazon's having a sale on this particular one too, but I mean these things, this type of device, this USBC hub, I mean you go on Amazon, you're gonna find 50 million different manufacturers of this type of device. So so you know, you could take, you could take a chance. This has a thousand m this has a thousand m so remember that. Yeah. But so yeah, so probably one of these, any one of these is gonna work well, but, you know, do your Amazon research
Florence Ion (01:17:54):
It's, and, and make sure that you are getting something that it can power up things because you will need something that can do that. The 100% Chromecast is not, yeah, the Chromecast is not enough, for instance, to do like power delivery to a hard drive. So I would assume the usb
Jason Howell (01:18:13):
Oh, that's a really good point.
Florence Ion (01:18:13):
A better way to do
Jason Howell (01:18:14):
That. Really great point because I had started to go down the road of looking at, you know, what if you don't want to bring in your ethernet and all you want is a micro SD card slot, you know, what about getting like a a USBC to micro s d converter, but that doesn't have the power. And you're probably exactly right on that. I didn't even think about that. You probably need the power going in there to power the drive. So,
Florence Ion (01:18:40):
You know, it's interesting. It's hard. The the other thing is, while I really do love Bill's suggestion you know, it really depends on your TV setup. You know, cuz the last thing you want people to see is just like a cluster. Yeah,
Jason Howell (01:18:55):
That's true.
Florence Ion (01:18:56):
Like a kaari version of the Chromecast is just like rolled into all these different adapters. Yeah. And it's just, you know,
Jason Howell (01:19:03):
<Laugh> Yeah. That could get a little ugly. So hopefully it's all tucked away behind the TV and you don't have to look at it.
Florence Ion (01:19:09):
Yeah. Yeah. But I do appreciate Bill, thank you and very well deserved email of the week
Jason Howell (01:19:20):
Of the week. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Triple a tweet.tv and you could share your knowledge with us and everyone else that watches and listens as well. All right. It's the end of this episode. Ron needs to go to bed. Ron needs to drink some tea and go to bed after he takes out the trash. So
Florence Ion (01:19:42):
It is trash. I, but
Ron Richards (01:19:43):
I will say if you wanna listen to me when I had my voice, head over to i fanboy.com. We put out an episode recently where we did our year end answering emails episode and talking about movies and TV and fun stuff over there. So check out i fanboy.com. I gave Burke the link, but he doesn't wanna show it to the video views, so that's fine. So
Jason Howell (01:20:02):
<Laugh> Burke's done. He's like, I'm not pushing a single button more. Yeah, I'm done. There is <laugh> <laugh>, there it is. There it is. Media explode number 31 year end mail bag. Middle bag 10 times. Right on Ron. Well, I hope I hope you continue to feel better and that your voice comes back. So do I I feel fine. Sound awful. So talk too much. That's the problem. Yes, you do talk too much. You know, who else talks too much? No, I'm just kidding. Flow me. It's <laugh>. It's great getting you on. It's great having you back. What do you want people to to know?
Florence Ion (01:20:37):
Well, as always, if you wanna read my work, you can go to my Vanity Link, flow rights.tech, and that'll take you to my page over at gizmoto where you can read all of everything that I've written for Gizmoto. You can also listen to me weekly on the material podcast, which I record with Andy Naco over on the FM network. So do check that out if you have an inkling, we talk about Google on that podcast,
Jason Howell (01:21:01):
Even if you don't have an inkling, even if you don't even know what an inkling is, just check it out, thank us later. Yes. Yeah. And then we're friends in your ears. Then go on to a web browser and type in inkling definition and you'll see what it says.
Florence Ion (01:21:17):
Correct. Or you could ask Google.
Jason Howell (01:21:20):
That's true. You could, Hey ge, what does Inkling mean? And I bet you get an answer.
Florence Ion (01:21:25):
Mm-Hmm.
Jason Howell (01:21:26):
<Affirmative> big thanks to JR Ray feel Android intelligence for always sending us these wonderful how-tos these app reviews and insights and stuff. I love that we have the chance and the ability to do that. So thank you j. Appreciate it. Thanks to Burke here in the studio for pushing the Buttons and not stepping on his dog, who I know is at the foot of the TriCaster right now. I did step on her this morning at home, though, <laugh> it happens, sometimes it happens with dogs. It's just the way it goes. And then big thanks to Victor behind the scenes for editing the show, making it all published and, and everything so that you get it in your podcast feed. You can find me at Jason Howell on Twitter. You can find I don't have my Mastodon thing <laugh>, but I have been doing Mastodon more.
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