This Week in Tech Episode 864 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for TWiT This Week in Tech, our hearts and our prayers, and our thoughts going out to the people of Ukraine. We'll talk about how war has changed thanks to technology and how cyber war may be. The next step. We'll have some fun with a hot new game. That's way too hard for me. Elden Ring Georgia Dow will explain how to play better. We've got Lisa Schmeiser in the house Owen JJ Stone, OhDoctah's also here. We'll talk about the Webb telescope, the steam deck, and then some recommendations for your next game. Hey, a quick reminder, before we get into the show, last chance to take the annual TWiT survey. We only do this once a year. We want to get to know you better, but the survey runs out the 20 eighths, which is Monday. So if you haven't taken it yet and it's still in time, it's still not Monday or just before the end of the day, Monday go to 22. And thanks in advance. Now on with the show.

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Leo Laporte (00:02:54):
It's time for TWiT This Week in Tech, the show where we cover the latest tech news. We're gonna have a fun time because Lisa schmeer is here with a brand new job editor in chief at no jitter. Hi Lisa.

Lisa Schmeiser (00:03:07):
Hi. Thank you for having me

Leo Laporte (00:03:09):
Back. I gotta warn you. I can read your whiteboard. Is that okay?

Lisa Schmeiser (00:03:12):
Yeah, that's fine. It's all planned activities for the girl scout troop. Oh

Leo Laporte (00:03:17):
It's not like the secrets of world domination or anything like that, unless

Lisa Schmeiser (00:03:21):
That that's now that's on my other wall.

Leo Laporte (00:03:23):
Maybe your girl scout troops planning that 

Lisa Schmeiser (00:03:26):
I, I would not put it past some,

Leo Laporte (00:03:28):
A service project. Would you rather, you know who wants to go camping? I get it. It's girl Scouts. Yeah. You told me that girl scout cookies are experiencing a supply. I change shortage.

Lisa Schmeiser (00:03:40):
That's right. It is girl scout cookie season. If you know, if you are lucky enough to know a girl scout, ask her if she's selling through digital cookie and see if you can get your packages shipped to you because in some parts of the country, there's been a bit of a supply chain breakdown and we're having a hard time getting cookies from the bakers into our hot little hands to sell to you.

Leo Laporte (00:04:02):
Wow. I mean I've heard of supply chain shortages, hitting cars, hitting computers, hitting graphics, cards, cookies.

Lisa Schmeiser (00:04:12):
I think some of it's labor too. 

Leo Laporte (00:04:13):
Yeah, well that, yeah, that's a problem. That's a problem. Sure.

Lisa Schmeiser (00:04:18):
Yeah, it was, it was something we were not really expecting this here. So it was a big surprise.

Leo Laporte (00:04:21):
You know, the that's you gotta raise the price on the girl scout cookie so they could pay the bakers more.

Lisa Schmeiser (00:04:27):
They actually did. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:04:30):
I'm down

Lisa Schmeiser (00:04:30):
With that. All boxes. Yeah. In Northern CA for the girl Scouts of Northern California all of the boxes are now $6 a piece. Yeah. So the prices

Leo Laporte (00:04:38):
It's going, if it goes in the pockets of the oligarchs who run the baking company said, I'm not happy if it goes into the pockets of the people at the ovens, I'm I'm down for that. That's you know, let's people have to learn a minimum wage. That's you know, people say, oh, nobody wants to work. Nobody wants to work for your crappy wages. Nobody wants to work, pay, pay them what they're worth and

Lisa Schmeiser (00:05:02):
Pay up dead beat. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:05:04):
Which is why, by the way, there's only about 15 people left working here. No, no, no. Hey also guys,

Lisa Schmeiser (00:05:12):
You guys have also been remote for.

Leo Laporte (00:05:15):
Yeah. That's the real problem. It feels like ghost town. And even though the mask mandates have been lifted, we are not rushing people back into the studio. You slowly, Jason's been doing his show from here and slowly working our way back in also with us. I love seeing her it's Georgia Dow everybody's favorite psychotherapist. Youtube psychotherapist. Hi Georgia.

Georgia Dow (00:05:37):
Hello. Nice to be here.

Leo Laporte (00:05:39):
Sh you're not gonna wear the angel wings for the show.

Georgia Dow (00:05:42):
You want me to wear the they're not, they're not fully. They're short still. They're not gonna be the same. You got more, which just

Leo Laporte (00:05:46):
Tiny. Where do you get the feathers? I

Georgia Dow (00:05:48):
Hope I even could. I bought them from Amazon. I know I shouldn't support Amazon, but they show up so well. So I have to like, I'm gonna double their,

Leo Laporte (00:05:55):
Are they bird feathers? You think?

Georgia Dow (00:05:57):
Yeah. They're bird feathers. But I think it would be just way too. Still be too short. I'm doing it for euphoria.

Leo Laporte (00:06:04):
Oh yeah. You do the therapist react stuff and I know you're doing. Yeah.

Georgia Dow (00:06:07):
So I need bigger. You be too small.

Leo Laporte (00:06:09):
We've been talking about your arcane series cuz people love arcane. And now you're gonna do euphoria. Oh, oh

Georgia Dow (00:06:17):
Yeah. And I did two already.

Leo Laporte (00:06:18):
Oh you did JUULs and Ru already. Okay.

Georgia Dow (00:06:21):

Leo Laporte (00:06:22):
Are they just screwed up? I mean, that's really the answer. Isn't it? They're just a mess. Well

Georgia Dow (00:06:27):
Like, like they, they have maladaptive ways of dealing with things right. There you go.

Leo Laporte (00:06:31):
So that's how a therapist talks. They're maladaptive. It's great to see you. Thank you for being here, Georgia. And of course, if Georgia Dows here, we gotta have the old doctor here. Oh. And she, I have

Georgia Dow (00:06:45):

Leo Laporte (00:06:46):
Contracts. Yeah. It's part of the deal. It's gonna be one of those shows a chatroom saying, oh, it's a Doctah Dow show .

Owen JJ Stone (00:06:52):
Fast. You have my they've kept my TWiT wife from me for so long. I had to go make a little pop of her just, Oh my God. That's so cute. It, it, it isn't that you isn't that you just, just so you know, I'm always here with you always here with me right on my desk, Georgia. Just, just so you know, I know Anne's jealous and no, Dan, you can't have one. It's mine wrote got a little Cape on there and oh, Do love it. I seen is

Leo Laporte (00:07:19):
That really Georgia? I mean, do you have a, what are those called? Funko Funko toys.

Owen JJ Stone (00:07:23):
Don't they look like the same person. I don't know. I'm just saying, I'm just saying Georgia

Leo Laporte (00:07:28):
Has a Funko punk.

Owen JJ Stone (00:07:30):
I, I don't know. I'm just, who does it look like to you? You know what I'm saying? You just saw know. I I'm just saying,

Leo Laporte (00:07:37):
Especially when she's in her

Owen JJ Stone (00:07:40):
Look so cute. Oh my goodness. Since I'm a doctor, you know, I also keep, keep my nurse with me too. You know what I mean? You,

Georgia Dow (00:07:46):
Of course, of course you have to,

Owen JJ Stone (00:07:48):

Leo Laporte (00:07:48):
You gonna get

Owen JJ Stone (00:07:48):
She's adorable too?

Leo Laporte (00:07:49):
Are you gonna get the one of me that's available

Owen JJ Stone (00:07:54):
The trash can or the dog?

Leo Laporte (00:07:56):
I, what trash can is what the dog comes in. I don't know why they're showing the, the box. I know the dog comes in.

Owen JJ Stone (00:08:05):
It might be a special CA oh, it's 39 hours. It's probably one of those hard

Leo Laporte (00:08:08):
Kids. It's a pop shield protector to protect display box.

Owen JJ Stone (00:08:12):
I was literally like, why are they showing the, the, the box that's silly. There

Leo Laporte (00:08:16):
We go. Harry do that's for Georgia, Georgia BDO that kind of a dog. Anyway, good to have all three of you on a week that there really, the news is Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine. Notice we are blue and gold here in solidarity with the people of Ukraine who are suffering at the hands of a mad man who has decided just unilaterally to invade that country. One of the things there really are a bunch of tech stories associated with this war in Ukraine. First of all, Ukraine is the home of many, many very good tech companies. Some of our sponsors, in fact, Grammarly, one of our sponsors was founded in Ukraine. The dev team is mostly in the Ukraine still our hearts and, and prayers go out to everybody in Ukraine who are, I think, doing a great job defending themselves surprisingly against the Russian menace.

Leo Laporte (00:09:11):
I also want to say I'll mention some other companies, but I, I say that I also wanna say, I know we have many listeners, both in Ukraine and Russia, and I think they're suffering on both sides, all because of this guy, Putin. I think the Russian people are, are great people, but you've got as, as we have had in the past, you've got a bad leader. And so all of the rep from my end comes for Putin and his henchman and the oligarchs, not for the people of Russia they're suffering too Grammarly Skyla. It was one of my, do you ever use any of the Skyla products with your photography O doctor? They do. Luminar some really great tools sky born was their yeah,

Owen JJ Stone (00:09:56):
I was just talking to Anne about that LA AI. That's like the only good AI available.

Leo Laporte (00:10:01):
It's really an interesting AI editor that, and in fact, if you go to at the very top of the page, save Ukraine defend democracy, and there's a whole page. It says Skyla was proudly founded in Ukraine. Our core development center is based in Keve and then here's the, here's the thing that kind of both touches me and breaks my heart at this harrowing time. Unfortunately, we cannot guarantee the on time delivery of updates to Luminar neuro Neo dudes chill. It's okay. You got more important things to do, protect yourself, protect your families. 

Owen JJ Stone (00:10:37):
Well, they, they also said, because you don't know how many people don't even know that that's where they're based at, you know, people just get on the internet and complain about things like, oh, oh, that's why they, they have no idea. So you put that statement out there. So at least when somebody goes to check, it's like, oh, oh, okay. Yes, I get it. You know? Yes. Just for the grumpy that get grumpy before they realize why they're grumpy.

Leo Laporte (00:10:57):
Lot of tech companies use programmers in Ukraine a lot of companies founded in Ukraine. So and I know we have listeners in Ukraine, so we're thinking of you. We really are. The supply chain shortage. We talk about, it's gonna be more in girl scout cookies, both in Russia and crane the big export curves, and then the shutting down a swift, both are gonna impact Russia hard in terms of technology. The thing that concerns me, and this was a story from NBC I saw earlier this week, that actually really scared me. Biden has been presented with options for mass of cyber attacks against Russia. And this comes from NBC's sources, two intelligence officers with the us one Western intelligence official, and another person briefed on the matter Biden was presented with. Now, I, I guess I would imagine in a case like this, the president is presented with many, many options.

Leo Laporte (00:11:59):
Not all of which are, you know, serious or on the table or not, not all of which he would actually consider. I'm hoping he doesn't consider these including an attack on the Russian internet to disrupt internet connectivity across Russia, shutting off electric power tampering with railroad switches that did happen in bell Russ an individual hacker shut down the bell Russ railway system last couple of weeks ago. A person briefed in the matter said you could do everything from slow the trains down to have them fall off the tracks. My concern is if if we allow this conventional warfare to become cyber warfare, the da, the damage goes worldwide and it comes right back to us. Lisa is do, does, is, does it seem to you that this is a, a war that we should not be fighting as a cyber war?

Lisa Schmeiser (00:12:54):
I think it's important to sort of reframe the war in general and to understand that if you talk to a lot of people in the tech security space, they're going to argue that we've been at war with Russia for quite a while. Anyway,

Leo Laporte (00:13:09):
75% of all ransomware comes outta Russia.

Lisa Schmeiser (00:13:13):
You have to remember Russia has been actively interfering in us elections on national and local levels since at least 2014, if not earlier. I've been going to RSA every year, since I wanna say 20 15, 20 16. And this is something that I've heard in private one on one conversations, if sources, this is something I've heard when I've sat in on sessions, this is something I've heard in keynotes, which is that the nature of 21st century warfare is cyber warfare. And it can be anything from the stabilizing elections so that the population loses belief in the legitimacy of election. It can be creating memes and monkeying with sources of information so that people don't know what sources of information to trust. And that helps erode a chance of a national dialogue where everybody's working from the same definition of reality. You do have states by agencies that have hacked into us companies across all sectors from transportation to utilities, to retail, to private security. These efforts have been ongoing for quite some time. What's a little unusual right now. Now I think is that we have a story which has hit NBC. And I would suggest that the Biden administration has probably been floating it out there as a SYOP thing too, that says, you know what, we're gonna take this war to cyberspace because that is where 21st century warfare is. I think it's a shift in how we are defining and looking at war, but these are activities that have gone on for quite some time already

Leo Laporte (00:15:02):
A spokesperson for the national security council told NBC this report is wildly off base and does not reflect what is actually being discussed in any shape or form. But it's, I don't like Putin saying, Hey, don't forget. We've got Nokes. 

Lisa Schmeiser (00:15:13):
Yeah, well, the, they always say that though. Yeah, I, I'm not trying to belitle so, so fun fact, my dad worked on nuclear subs through the seventies and eighties. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:15:23):
Really? Interesting.

Lisa Schmeiser (00:15:24):
Yeah. And no, it was and I grew up, I'm a gen Xer, so, you know, we grew up with the threat of nuclear war Leo. I'm sure you remember in the eighties when they had the day after, remember that TV movie, the whole thing. So at the time we were living in Tidewater, Virginia, and I was a kid and I was completely freaked out about, oh my God, what, what if the Soviets NUS in our best? How would we survive? Well,

Leo Laporte (00:15:46):
I like my whole childhood in the fear of that. Yeah.

Lisa Schmeiser (00:15:48):

Leo Laporte (00:15:49):
And I was born in 56. So we had and covered drills. Yeah. The Cuban missile crisis. We came very close to nuclear war in 1963. In fact, I remember visiting MC George Bundy, who was the national security advisor to president JFK. At that time he's the guy who woke up Kennedy and said, Mr. President, we found satellite photos of missiles in Cuba and was, went through that. And I remember visiting his house as an apartment in New York city. And he had a, a really interesting thing on his coffee table. It was a month of October with some little pins in it. I said, what's that? He said, oh yeah, JFK gave all of this. That that's the 10 days in October that we were, you know, coming, we came within inches. He, he gives credit to his wife, Mary, because he came home one day from the white house. And he said, we're, we're this close to nuclear war with Russia. And she said, McGeorge, you can't let that happen. You have to go in there and you have to fight for P you cannot let this happen. I don't think anybody knows. He talks about it in his memoirs, how close. But I remember talking to him about it. Yeah. How close we came and this, and I feel like cyber warfare has the, it's not as bad as nuclear warfare. You're not gonna get a scorched earth, but if it escalates, if we are,

Lisa Schmeiser (00:17:13):
I feel like it's a little more corrosive. In some ways we're

Leo Laporte (00:17:16):
Living on the edge. We have five days of food, our financial system, our electrical,

Lisa Schmeiser (00:17:21):
You of how things UN, if you take a look at how things unraveled in the early days of the shutdown in 2020, that did expose a lot of weaknesses in how the us and the companies that live and work in the us have chosen to structure like supply chains in transit. But you know, if you do a little bit of reading and one of the things I would love to recommend to everybody who's listening or, or watching this Brad Smith, who is a president of Microsoft and it's chief count and, and Microsoft chief council wrote a fantastic book a couple of years ago that has, it's basically a primer for what's going on right now. And it's called tools and weapons, the promise in peril of the digital age and in a couple of chapters, he lays out the surveillance that Microsoft is a private company has been doing on the Russian government for years because Russia state sponsored agency has been doing things like trying to register domains, that it can pass off as Microsoft domains to capture user information, sift through it, and then use it to break into places.

Lisa Schmeiser (00:18:26):
Cyber warfare has proven super effective in some already. I, you take a look at the election 2016 2020. You take a look at the Senate elections in 2018. There was evidence of interference there too. And we did include this link later in the show, but you know, Russian mean factories and disinformation campaigns have been super effective throughout the pandemic as well. You know, after, when you're talking abouty realities where people get together based on like affinity, rather than like in, rather than geographic connections or other, or, or even a sense of national thing like that weakens a nation and it's been super successful so

Leo Laporte (00:19:03):
Far. Yeah. I, I, I, after seeing how Russia, how poorly surprisingly poorly Russia's faired in Ukraine, I feel like that maybe they will turn to this cyber war where even a small nation, like say North Korea can hire enough hackers to be really disruptive in the world. We've got China, we've got North Korea, we've got Russia. I hope, I assume that we have capabilities similar capabilities in the United States, but I would also hope that we would be careful about using those because of the risk to civilian populations. It's

Lisa Schmeiser (00:19:35):
Well, it's, that's, that's the flip side of cyber warfares, it's it affects civilians on such a greater scale. And in ways I don't think anyone who hasn't been part of it can wrap their brains around, cuz it can affect everything from your ability to hit your bank balance to whether or not you have money in retirement to whether not you're able to get gas to whether or not you're able to have the power on. It's, it's an astonishing scope compared to street to street geographic warfare, where people have the option to flee. We live in such a heavily networked international economy at this point that there will be people affected all over the place who are nowhere near where the fighting is. If, if you were to take this to a, a purely computer networked or a data first fighting angle

Leo Laporte (00:20:27):
Atlantic had a article that talked about a 1993 Rand memo ran report called this is 1993. Remember cyber war is coming exclamation mark. Yeah, the authors. I'll read you a little bit of it. The thesis of this think piece is that the information revolution will cause shifts both in how societies may come into conflict and how their armed forces may wage war. And they talk about cyber war, which is the kind of, you know, war for we're talking about bringing down, you know, a power grid or bringing down the water or system, both of which, by the way, Russia has already done to Ukraine and, and what looks like a kind of a test of their capabilities, but they also talk about net war. We don't use that term nowadays call it disinformation societal level ideation, conflicts waged in part through interneted nodes of communication.

Leo Laporte (00:21:24):
This was written in 93 before there was a, before there was a Twitter before there were these mass disinformation campaigns. But these guys really kind of understood how this could be used against a population. You know, they say that one of the reasons the Nazis had such success is cuz Joseph Gables, the minister propaganda understood and used radio, the new technology of radio so effectively. It could very well be that, that a country that doesn't, you know, Russia is it's got the eco an economy, the size of Texas. It's not, it does have Nokes, but it also, you know, it doesn't, you don't have to be this great economic power to have a very powerful cyber army in effect, Georgia. Tell us something to reassure us, please.

Georgia Dow (00:22:17):
Well, my thought is like, really, they, you have to do something you can't allow countries to just invade.

Leo Laporte (00:22:22):
I agree

Georgia Dow (00:22:23):
Acqui and expect it to be okay. And if you don't want to get your people directly involved in a war, then you have to find other ways that are gonna be able to stop this as quickly as possible with the least amount of people lives lost. So I think that attacking their infrastructure, you know, through the internet is probably a safer bet than bringing people in. And the fact that, that anyone use fact that they have Nokes as a shield that is you know, horrific that horrific. But of course they're gonna do that. They're gonna do that for anything. They, they wanna make this as fast, as effective as possible to be able to take over as much land as they can. So I think that they should put every single card that they have, that would be the safest and that would, you know, be able to shut it down as quickly as possible. So I think that if they can do that through, you know, just shutting down the internet like, you know, that will be a better option than having to send in troops and it might be more effective.

Leo Laporte (00:23:23):
I just worry that we, if we, what, whatever we do can be responded to. And, and

Georgia Dow (00:23:28):
Aren't they already doing that? I get like, let's just say it, like, they're not, they've already, like, Russias already threatened nukes. So like, it's not like they wouldn't choose to do this anyways. Like, you know, like Nokes oh, and will shut down your internet. And then everyone's like, oh, okay, now we'll stop. Like, you know,

Lisa Schmeiser (00:23:45):
I mean, their economy is gonna collapse tomorrow. 

Leo Laporte (00:23:49):
No they're turning off swift, so you don't.

Lisa Schmeiser (00:23:52):
And they just said, and there was just something that came out that said Russia has just made it so that if you are a foreign investor in Russian markets, you can't exactly pull your money out of the Russian get right now. Yeah. So that's the action of a government that knows there's a huge run on banks today. There's gonna be no more money tomorrow. Monday

Leo Laporte (00:24:13):
Is gonna be crazy. Well, Monday it'll be Monday soon in Russia actually.

Lisa Schmeiser (00:24:16):
And you know, they're, they've got no aerospace, they're effectively being fenced in. So they're gonna be cut off from the internet. They're gonna be cut off financially. And since Putin's power rested, primarily in flexing, some financial muscle, all he has left to negotiate with are nukes, but and again, not diminishing the terror. And

Leo Laporte (00:24:43):
I just worry you know, we

Lisa Schmeiser (00:24:44):
Not diminishing the terror, but I, I think you can't like this sounds awful. The us has professionals back in the state department and they've always had a deep bank of professionals and talent in the Pentagon. And I would not be surprised if they haven't gained out all of the scenarios that are likely to happen and have figured out a way to, to, to let Putin SAB rattle about the nukes and say, fine, this is what he's gonna negotiate with. He has nothing else to negotiate with after that or, or to threaten with. And the us has plenty and we're not even officially involved yet.

Leo Laporte (00:25:19):
So the banks open in in Moscow in about five hours. We'll, it'll be very interesting. We shall see. I my fear is, you know, we have the thing that kept us from blowing each other up in the sixties was something called mutual assured destruction, mad. Yeah. Which was the threat that if you did it, they would do it back. And we, the whole world would blow up. There is some deterrent that if we are too aggressive in pushing a cyber war against Moscow, that they will do it back to us. I'm hoping I, I wonder if there should be a Geneva convention, there should be Geneva courts for some, it's funny

Lisa Schmeiser (00:25:55):
You say that because Brad Smith, again, to get back to the reading recommendations, I came in Microsoft's Brad Smith has been traveling the world, giving his speech for the last six or seven years. Arguing we need is a new digital Geneva convention. I think so which, which lays out the rights of every person in the world to be able to connect online with other people, to transact business online with other people. And most importantly takes the responsibility for their own safety off of the should of the individual and forces it onto the shoulders of, of government. And 

Leo Laporte (00:26:36):
He says, so in other

Lisa Schmeiser (00:26:38):
Of Microsoft or Microsoft or Google being responsible for your internet safety, it, because it becomes something where governments are held accountable. If, if you're, if you're, if you're not safe online.

Leo Laporte (00:26:47):
Yeah. I think Putin is essentially

Lisa Schmeiser (00:26:50):
If harm is done to you, thanks, networked networked data

Leo Laporte (00:26:54):
Putin has essentially escaped responsibility for what I think we're starting to believe now really is, you know, at least tacitly a asset approval of the ransomware epidemic. This was back in 70, I'm sorry, 2000 17. I think that Smith talked about a digital Geneva convention, no targeting of tech companies, private sector or critical infrastructure you know, and, and limit offensive operation to avoid a event, commit to nonproliferation activities, to cyber weapons, exercise, restrain, and developing cyber weapons. I don't think we are, do doing any of those things on our part because the other, the other argument is the, the mad argument, which is well operate from strength. The only deterrent to a, somebody clearly a madman like Putin is to have enough strength to say, yeah, well, don't mess with us

Lisa Schmeiser (00:27:49):
Making poor. I mean, this is the thing, the minute everybody who super comfortable yeah. With their, with their yachts and their, you know,

Leo Laporte (00:27:56):
What's gonna happen

Lisa Schmeiser (00:27:57):
All over Europe and their capacious Swiss bank accounts already when they lose their assets, they're gonna agitate for change

Leo Laporte (00:28:03):
Already. Rush billionaires are saying yeah, we don't, we're not, this is okay. Stop. Okay. Stop. Oh, doctor, you wanna weigh in on any of this? You could say no,

Owen JJ Stone (00:28:17):
It's not even let it. No, it's just in a, in a broad scope of an idea I'm against or in general. Yeah, of course. But it, it always amuses me how mighty and how high horse we get when it's something we don't like, but when America oh, yeah. Does things.

Leo Laporte (00:28:35):
I'm just as mad when we do that too. Believe that trust.

Owen JJ Stone (00:28:37):
I, I, I know we are, but I'm saying in general, I'm saying like, I I've been overseas when we were at war for decades and the rest of the country is looking me like, oh, you're an American. Like, you know what I mean? Like the, the concept of how we get so high and mighty like, oh, you wanna do a cyber work? Go ahead. Open Pandora's box. The real problem is you can have attention. All you want to America has been caught in the past doing things that are criminal against international law. And to think that Russia or any other agitator is going to listen to any kind of thing that you put out there. That's what the CIAs for asked what the government that like, we don't negotiate with terrace. Well, how did they get our weapons? How did they get these trucks? Do all these things behind it. I'm like, you're, you're driving a, a you're you're driving a, a us tank. How did you get 'em? Because we make these deals behind closed doors. And when it blows up on our face, we're like, oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean it. I was too trying to do this. So when I listen to all these things, let's see what happens if they go broke tomorrow and, and figure it out from there. But the whole, like, but

Leo Laporte (00:29:34):
I have to say, we have not yet invaded Mexico or Canada. I wouldn't mind moving to Canada, but we haven't invaded Nick. So we haven't marched across the lines of a sovereign state. We've gotten involved in wars. We should not have been in Vietnam in Syria, in Afghanistan. That's

Owen JJ Stone (00:29:51):
The only nation in the world that has military bases on every single continent, all over the planet

Leo Laporte (00:29:56):
Planet that's to protect. Won't allow that's for security,

Owen JJ Stone (00:29:58):
But, but we won't allow anyone to have 'em here. I hear what you're saying. I'm just saying we're the world. The

Lisa Schmeiser (00:30:04):
Imperialism is the, the imperialism runs big. Yeah. The imperialism runs

Owen JJ Stone (00:30:08):
Everywhere. And, and, and I didn't hear all this excitement when Africa had genocide and nobody was helping them for decades on end. I mean, those, you were being,

Leo Laporte (00:30:17):
People say, didn't, you know, where was you concerned for the, I agree, but

Owen JJ Stone (00:30:22):
Happy. Natos finally doing something. NATO has been nonexistent through anything in my lifetime that I can remember. At least I see now that they're, they seem to be doing some things, but I'm like, what? I, I, I just have a different concept of the whole global thing. Yes, it's wrong. Yes. You do things, but you can open up that Pandora's box. You want to, it it's just gonna be a rough situation, cuz it only takes five to using the closet to shut down the city or shut down a block anywhere.

Leo Laporte (00:30:45):
That's. The other thing that I think is interesting is warfare is completely different than it was even 20 years ago because of technology. For instance, peop there's a professor at the Middlebury Institute of international studies in Monterey, Jeffrey Lewis, who with his team of students was monitoring Google maps, Google maps in Ukraine. And before we even knew the invasion was happening, he knew because he could see on Google maps road closures and the movements of Russian artillery from Russia into Ukraine, rain because of Google maps. I mean, this is, this is now there are independent people using satellite photos to identify Russian convoys tank movements. By combining I'm reading from the Washington post, by combining Google maps, traffic information with a Ray, our images showed troops Lewis and his teams realized that invasion was underway hours before the news became public and from thousands of miles away in California. So their technology, which is ubiquitous Technology is now the P here. They all seeing I that we, we all to some degree more or less have access to. So this is, I think this changes things a little bit. We are a little bit look at the video we're getting you know, it's a, it's a very different experience.

Lisa Schmeiser (00:32:16):
Well, I think warfare changed when you had you had folks like Snowden and other people who chose to share information during a war and could disseminate that information quickly along multiple nodes. Like there was no way to shut it down, disappear somebody. What is the name of that young woman? She's got that really great first name reality winner,

Leo Laporte (00:32:42):
Reality winner. I, you know, I almost said that and I thought is that who she's talking about? She does have a great

Lisa Schmeiser (00:32:47):
First name. Well there's that there's, you know, there was no the minute it occurred to people that they could dump information on the internet and let folks pick it apart and do what they would that dramatically changed warfare, especially when you contrast it with how, how information was guarded through world war II, through all of the USS many, many, many, many, many Imperial skirmishes after that. We don't have that. We don't have that kind of presumption of a silence around intelligence anymore.

Leo Laporte (00:33:21):

Lisa Schmeiser (00:33:22):
And that's a, that's a big thing to interesting wars or wars are one in loss on intelligence. I mean, you could argue that getting ahold of the enigma machine is what one world war II 

Leo Laporte (00:33:30):
Right. You could also, and by the way, it's interesting because the vice premier of Ukraine has tweeted that he wants hack is to come on over and help him. Yeah. But then he asked him to do it on telegram and somebody, somebody should have explained to him signal might be a better choice in that case. So I'm, I'm not sure why Russia didn't completely shut down the internet in Ukraine. Usually when you invade a country, at least it's been my experience. You, in the old days, you would shut down the newspapers radio stations. You shut down the, the communication media.

Lisa Schmeiser (00:34:10):
Well, you remember they shut down east use internet. Right. or, and I, they didn't

Leo Laporte (00:34:15):
Do that in Ukraine. I'm not sure why not.

Lisa Schmeiser (00:34:17):
Well, I think everybody learned from it, maybe,

Leo Laporte (00:34:18):
Maybe it was hardened. Maybe they couldn, you know what they are doing. They're shutting down TWiTter and Facebook in Russia, cuz they don't want their own people

Lisa Schmeiser (00:34:28):
Seeing what's going on,

Leo Laporte (00:34:29):
Seeing what's going on, which is telling Elon Musk says we're no, I

Lisa Schmeiser (00:34:36):
Don't think Russian people want war. I mean,

Leo Laporte (00:34:37):
No, I think not. Yeah. In fact, I think the best hope for peace to this point is that they overthrow Putin, which would come at a great I'm sure, great bloodshed and loss to Russian lies. I don't know.

Lisa Schmeiser (00:34:49):
I don't know. It's, it's hard to say we live in such unusual times. I

Leo Laporte (00:34:52):
Think that's what Putin's afraid of. In fact, that's what happened in Ukraine. Putin had a strong man in there. Remember he was horrifically, corrupt had built his pal and there was a revolution and they threw him out. He fled to Russia, still living in Russia. Zelensky was elected. And this exactly, that was the scenario. I think Putin was most afraid of is exactly that. Apple pay is unavailable in Russia. Now that now we're talking hardship. No Google pay, no apple pay one Ukrainian leader. This is puts apple in an interesting bind one Ukrainian leader to call on Tim cook, to block Russian users from the app store. What do you do if you're apple or Google, you pull out a Russia.

Owen JJ Stone (00:35:44):
That's a slippery slope. Again, I we've been at war for as long as I can remember. I didn't agree with those wars. You're gonna turn off my internet or my service because the government wants to go do what they want to do. I, I, I didn't get drafted. I didn't sign up. I didn't apply. So me as a regular citizen, who now is struggling economically struggling for food and all the necessities I need just to keep my family safe and alive. Now I, now I, now I can't even download happy Flay birds or something like get me through tonight. Like, I mean, I'm making a joke about it, but as a regular, a citizen, they shouldn't get involved. They, they should leave it alone. That like, again, it's a very slippery slope when you start getting into what you should shut down or what you should not, especially.

Owen JJ Stone (00:36:29):
When we get so mad and so upset about things like TikTok, like, oh, people don't like TikTok because America didn't make TikTok. And you know, when you look the way that they use the platform in other countries versus here, I get it. You know what I mean? There's manipulation, there's games, but it's not up to them to change things and shut things down for the regular common people. If, if you wanna shut down Putin's account. Sure. You got his number. I'm sure he is logged into the app store. Shut 'em down directly. No Flay happy birds for him. Okay.

Leo Laporte (00:37:00):
Melo, feather of who is the the Ukrainian. I think he's the deputy. Let me get his title. Deputy vice prime minister of Ukraine, minister of digital transformation of Ukrainian. He's been very active on TWiTter calling on he's the guy who called on apple to shut down the app store. He for help from Elon Musk who said, okay, Starling service is now active in Ukraine. More terminals on route. Talk about instant response, right? He's called on YouTube to, to turn off monetization Russia today. They did. He's the one who said we're creating an it army. We need digital talents, all operational tasks. We'll be given here on telegram. It army of Yuran. I don't know why you R R a I N E but that I checked. That's the actual address. There will be tasks for everyone. We continue to fight on the cyber front. The first task is on the channel for cyber specialists. This is really interesting that how important cyber warfare is becoming this TWiTter just made the decision to block Russians, the opportunity to register new accounts in the Russian Federation. And then of course the Russians retaliate by shutting TWiTter down the TWiTter Ukraine's asking for Bitcoin donations, cryptocurrency donations, Ethereum, Bitcoin, and tether. He posted the wallet addresses for the three.

Leo Laporte (00:38:32):
Russia may be, may be forced to rely on Bitcoin. If now that swift is shut down, the banks are getting cut off. Bitcoin may be the only hope for Russia. Crazy.

Owen JJ Stone (00:38:46):
So it, it, war is such a such a weird thing, right? Because at the end of it, you always go back. You look at the finances, you know what? Men, military company built, all the bases who made all the ammunition, like when you're Russia and you cut off all their money, no matter how they get money, who are you gonna pay to do anything? Because if you need something, it's just like here, we had to make stuff. We had to do things on our own. Like if they're doing things, they don't need to pay anybody. They're just taking over companies and small businesses be like, yo, go make us a, a cut or tank plane or, or ammunition. I don't feel like they're gonna be paying anybody to try and fund their war. It's just a weird game to be playing. Like I said, tomorrow, like you said, tomorrow, we're gonna find out how, how, how economically strong Russian thinks they are. Cause Bitcoin, ain't gonna save my say hat right now. There's gonna be a whole lot of people siphon the money into your own account. They go pay for a new tank or a new plane.

Leo Laporte (00:39:38):
I imagine there'll be a run on the banks. I would guess. I don't know. There's

Georgia Dow (00:39:41):
Already a run on the there already team lines are running. Yeah. But that's where sounds. That's where you know, shutting down, like, like if the people in Russia get angry enough to say, you know what, this is affecting me. And we're really upset. It may make Putin think TWiTce about what he's doing. And perhaps decide to go into negotiations with a little bit more seriousness. Like if people can't get their Flay bird and they're angry enough, and then Putin's like, oh, wait a second. This might create like the only thing that he cares of about his, his own power and being able to take as much control as he can as quickly as possible. If the people in Russia are angry enough, cuz they don't get flappy bird. Well maybe they'll put a little bit more pressure and maybe Putin will be like, Hmm, they can't get Flay bird. Now it's serious because that's, what's gonna cause pressure to him. Like he's expecting this to be like, he thought going that this was gonna be regular warfare, but someone's doing a country and it's not the people. They don't deserve this. I'm fully aware of that. But it's a small price in comparison to how many lives it could save if we end up being able to shut down so that then they decide to negotiate a little bit sooner.

Leo Laporte (00:40:55):

Georgia Dow (00:40:56):
Actually. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:40:58):
We're the people and they Feder of, we've also asked Netflix to block the Russian Federation access to Netflix. Now that hurts.

Georgia Dow (00:41:08):
That's a small price. No like isn't it a small price to save lives. Yes. And it could really like again, when people get frustrated, like unfortunately we are so short. So as humans that we really only care when it affects us. Right? Like other people we see other bad things happening to other people. We're like, eh, that's horrible for them, but we don't usually think about it when it starts to affect us. We're like, oh wait a second. I can't get flappy birds. Now I'm upset. Let's do something. You better stop.

Leo Laporte (00:41:37):
All right. Anyway, just kind of a rundown of some of the text stories. There's also, we talked with rod pile there's also the issue of the international space station, which is half owned by Russia is supplied by Russia rockets launched from Russia territory. There's some real legitimate concern. NASA says, eh, don't worry about it. I would hope that Russ cosmos the Russian NASA would, you know, act as if this is a non non-political issue. But in fact, the director of Russ Cosmo has already started to do a little saber rattling. They've suspended, soys rocket launches. He's saying we're gonna withdraw staff from the GUI space center where the soys rockets are launched. This, you know, I don't know how this so affect the ISS, but it's pretty serious. We, rod was concerned very, very concerned about this.

Owen JJ Stone (00:42:39):
And in all seriousness, I'm not worried about that at all. We have the space force. I don't think Steve Carrell is

Leo Laporte (00:42:48):
Gonna save us here.

Owen JJ Stone (00:42:51):
I know our last president said it in place. We have a space. Surely

Leo Laporte (00:42:54):
Do have a space force.

Owen JJ Stone (00:42:55):
That's real. Let's not fair. So I told all seriousness, you worried about all seriousness don't need to be worried about. We got the space force again, saying have a space by the

Leo Laporte (00:43:04):
Way. That's

Owen JJ Stone (00:43:06):
That is another

Leo Laporte (00:43:07):

Owen JJ Stone (00:43:07):
Have a space force that a space force

Leo Laporte (00:43:10):
That is another place I do not want, you know, bad enough to have cyber warfare and collateral damage. Let's not start a war in space. Let's not start a war in space.

Owen JJ Stone (00:43:21):
We can start a war space. We're the only world of space force, own space. We come up here. If you want.

Leo Laporte (00:43:31):
I want the space force pin that looks just like the star Trek. The star. I'm sorry, Lisa, your, your internet is, I think Lisa's frozen.

Owen JJ Stone (00:43:41):
I don't think, I don't

Leo Laporte (00:43:42):
Think she would hold that look for

Owen JJ Stone (00:43:43):

Georgia Dow (00:43:44):
Long goodness though. Thank goodness. It's a good look. Whenever I'm worried about being, being frozen. I'm like, just make sure it's not like while I'm like opening my mouth really loud.

Owen JJ Stone (00:43:52):
It's always bad. Look in fact.

Georgia Dow (00:43:54):
Shut it down for me. If that

Owen JJ Stone (00:43:55):
Happens, I used to

Leo Laporte (00:43:56):
Take great pleasure in freezing CNN at the worst possible time. Always trying to get Anderson Cooper in a compromising pose. Go ahead. I think you're in a net back.

Owen JJ Stone (00:44:06):
Oh see, maybe not. This would be, this would be a good time. The streak uncle Leo, she, she has moved into a new position.

Georgia Dow (00:44:14):
You come back and like she, we really

Owen JJ Stone (00:44:17):
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Georgia Dow (00:44:22):
Streak. I went there too. So

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Georgia Dow (00:44:25):
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Georgia Dow (00:44:28):
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Speaker 8 (00:47:17):
She reconnected frozen.

Leo Laporte (00:47:19):
She reconnected and froze immediately. Tap it a little harder. Does that work? Percussive maintenance.

Georgia Dow (00:47:27):
That's that's the way that we handle most of our tech problems.

Leo Laporte (00:47:31):
See? So are you good at Eldon ring, Georgia? Are you good at it?

Georgia Dow (00:47:36):
Am I good at it? In a short answer, no. In a long answer. No,

Leo Laporte (00:47:42):
You really wanna play it.

Georgia Dow (00:47:43):
I'm not good at it. It's it's, it's just the button config. Like I think that if I had more practice at a button convey that was like similar to it. I wouldn't be drinking potions instead of slashing with the sword. Right? Like that's my biggest issue with it is that suddenly I'm like hit, hit, hit, but I've actually just drank

Leo Laporte (00:47:59):
Three pots. It's such a hard game. I've been watching TWiTs, you know, really. I mean, a lot of these people on TWiT are really good at games and I've been watching 'em die and die and die again. Fortunately, as you pointed out, when you, when you get clobbered, I hate to use the word die. When your character gets Bo you know, biffed in the game, you don't lose anything. You just, you go back,

Georgia Dow (00:48:20):
You just lose like some of the, the, the cash rewards, like the stuff that you can, the drops, which is yeah, yeah. Which is not horrible. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:48:28):
This is the game came out on Thursday. Everybody's been talking about it. It is so hard that the creator Hika MI says I'm a, I apologize if you're frustrated,

Georgia Dow (00:48:41):
You don't send him tweets. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:48:43):
I'm so sorry. It's so the souls, the dark souls games, if you've ever played every they're widely known, I've never played. Cuz I watch Michael, our 19 year old play and it's, it looks like a lot of fun. It's all about bosses and their, and it looks like a lot of fun. It's it's so hard. And so I've always known it's too hard for me, but I did buy it cause I really wanted to do it. Believe it or not, the new Yorker had a whole interview with Miyazaki. He says, death is a feature, not a bug.

Georgia Dow (00:49:18):
That sounds you, you look at it like that. Right. If you look at, if you look at it like that, that it's just a challenge that you're going to, like, if you go into the game knowing that you are going to die a thousand times. Yeah. And that that's just you're, you know, you're, you're there to learn, right? Like, so I guess it could be a good way of dealing with, you know, resilience learning to get back on. Yes. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:49:39):
There you

Georgia Dow (00:49:40):
Go. Calm down six times, get up seven that's. That could be the, the learning curve that you have to go through when you're playing El rings. But if you, you, if you look at eldering and you play it that like it's frustrating, cuz you're doing the same thing very repetitively over and over again. But you know, there are ways to beat bosses. I've seen people that are able like beating bosses that are way above their, the, where they, their skill levels are and people can be amazing at it. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:50:07):
So, and that's the other thing. It is fun to watch somebody who's good at this cuz you have to Dodge and Perry and roll and jump and time. And in a lot of it, it looks like that you have to really understand that the boss's tax sequence so that, you know, when your moment has come, you also have to be very, my problem is I'm not, I'm too impatient. I just go in there and they go and it's over. You have to be patient. The, this is from the new Yorker article about Miyazaki, the video game director who's in his late forties has punished more players than perhaps anyone else in dark souls, the 2011 fantasy game that made him famous. You play as a loing clothed, rich racing through sewers and cowering in forests. You're attacked by a giant Wolf pugilist mushrooms, methodic swamps, and a sword wielding spider. If you fail to par an aggressor's lunge or tumble off a ramp art, you're greeted by a superfluous message. You died after it fades. You're reincarnated beside a bonfire, one of a series of checkpoints scattered throughout this mysterious vaguely medieval world. Of course, every one of your enemies has respond as well. You know, I'm glad the New York we finally got the Yorker treatment for a video game. I think this is, this is very good.

Owen JJ Stone (00:51:31):
Are you, are you in the discord uncle Leo?

Leo Laporte (00:51:33):
I can be. I can. What are they? Oh, stop that. Stop that. What are they doing? They're posting pictures of me

Owen JJ Stone (00:51:42):
In a flowery grave, but that's not what I'm talking about.

Leo Laporte (00:51:44):
This is by the way, this is me playing Eldon ring. Yeah, yeah,

Owen JJ Stone (00:51:49):
Yeah. That's how you set it up at home

Leo Laporte (00:51:51):
Else. I'm so

Owen JJ Stone (00:51:52):
Confused. So I just put, I just put in a video to scroll down to the bottom, not to the top. Okay. As you speak. And it's a, it's a, a YouTube video. Like it's a guy who talks about how hard video games are. Asian video games are, you just have to play for like a minute. So like

Leo Laporte (00:52:10):
He says, Asian that's branch, Asian is a difficulty mode. Okay. This is not racist though. Right? They're not gonna make me play.

Owen JJ Stone (00:52:18):
No, it's it's everyone understands how

Leo Laporte (00:52:20):
He steps on a TWiTg and dies immediately.

Owen JJ Stone (00:52:22):
Yes. Steps on stepped

Leo Laporte (00:52:24):
And branch.

Owen JJ Stone (00:52:24):
And then the next one will be, he's like, wait, what? So long story short it's like breathe air. And then once it gets to a minute, his guy, his character dies and, and the reason is emotional damage. And he's

Leo Laporte (00:52:37):

Owen JJ Stone (00:52:40):
From emotional damage, like it just comes more ridiculous.

Leo Laporte (00:52:43):
Some people explain this, you know, he actually says there's an Asian Mo some people like really, really hard video games. Why is that? Do you know, Georgia? Do you have an explanation for that?

Georgia Dow (00:52:56):
Yeah. It's it's one is that it makes them feel like they can do things that other people can't just like people that do extreme sports, it causes that adrenaline rush. And then you get this huge dopamine hit. So the harder it is to accomplish something, the, or your brain rewards you for being able to do it. And so building that kind of resiliency and that delay of gratification is one it's actually really good for us. Like to be able to do

Leo Laporte (00:53:21):
That. Is it, is it the modern day marshmallow test it?

Georgia Dow (00:53:26):
It's the marshmallow that kills you first.

Leo Laporte (00:53:28):
Yes. Yes.

Georgia Dow (00:53:29):
It's like marshmallow

Lisa Schmeiser (00:53:31):
Test. I have a question about that. Would it be a, is it because the difficulty puts you kind of in a flow state where you can tune out everything else and you're so thoroughly engaged that that gives you sense.

Georgia Dow (00:53:45):
I love that you mentioned flow state, which is like a really cool thing. So flow state is when you lose time and space, nothing else matters. And you're just vibing. It's just you and whatever you are doing. And like hours could go by and it feels like minutes now for me, I am definitely not in a flow state when I play ALS, but I have heard from a lot of other P people that they are, that it, it doesn't even bother them. That they've died. They're just gaining information and learning how to do something better. And so yes, they can be in that flow state while they're playing this really horrible game. Now I am not in that state. I am feeling frustrated and angry. Yes. So I have not reach that level of gaming capacity. It's

Leo Laporte (00:54:28):
Irritating, altering. I don't wanna feel bad.

Georgia Dow (00:54:31):
I feel, I feel bad about me. It makes me feel bad about myself and my competency. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:54:37):
Go ahead, Owen. Owen's raising his hand

Owen JJ Stone (00:54:40):
As, as a, as a doctor myself. Can I say

Leo Laporte (00:54:43):
Please, Owen, you're a podcast doctor. Okay. I'll take it.

Georgia Dow (00:54:47):
He plays a doctor on TV.

Owen JJ Stone (00:54:49):
First of all, in 2010, I was over Dr. O and Dr. Phil in the apple podcast store. I had real doctors reaching out to me, not understanding why I was number one in the podcast. So I am oh, doctor as my professional, not realistically professional opinion, as I was about to say, we call that the zone. Okay. Being in the zone, you call, you know, fans, people call it the

Leo Laporte (00:55:10):
Flow. You call it the zone. Yeah. Basketball players hit the zone. Football players hit the zone just yeah.

Owen JJ Stone (00:55:16):
And then, and then let me, and then let me finish what I'm saying. Secondly, it's the same reason. I don't subscribe to participate in trophies. It's the same reason I blocked every shot. The lead tried to put up against me. Ain't give her nothing. Cause guess what? She cried about it the first eight times. And then when she finally made a bucket on her own, the joy of actually succeeding was beyond all compare. I raised her, her friends as a genius than I am. I raised them at four years old. I beat 'em down. I raised them at five years old. I, I raised them at eight, so my legs are still bigger than theirs. Beat them. And to this day, they still talk about how fast I am, no matter how tu I am. They remember me beating them down the leg race. And I am the fastest man on earth compared to those children.

Owen JJ Stone (00:55:57):
So it's all about succeeding, but you gotta go through the trials and tribulations. First, Leah had a karate contest. She didn't practice on to eight, but to practice, she gets up there. She got a little rinky D coin and all the kids got a big trophy that won. She started crying. She's like, why did they get one another? I said, well, you should have been practicing. You gotta earn it. So that's what the game for when it's hard, you earn it all the joy. When you're, when you play on easy, you don't even feel good about yourself. You're like, man, look, I ain't by watching. I guess I'll I'll put on easy. You don't feel good about it, but when you're on medium slash heart, all the success, the small victories, the joys, I believe the zone as it were my professional opinion.

Leo Laporte (00:56:32):
Leah learned that lesson cuz she went back and she's a champion. Isn't she champion resident. Oh yes

Owen JJ Stone (00:56:37):
She is. She, she is. She is case and pointed to that too. So she, she went, she won a little first girl to win the championship thing in the tournament. Beginning of the season, start off. Great end of the season. She had regionals winning. You're in losing you out. She lost this girl. This girl was jacked. And I mean like the girl better than her, but she was just stronger. Her now Leah's in here eating protein, shakes, lifting after school every day, put like she's out here riding my spin bike. Like she's like, I gotta get weights. So that motivation of when something you have to work for and earn is, is what does it, whether it's in sports or video games or shoot even starting a business. Sometimes it doesn't work out, but you gotta keep at it. And next thing you know, you're Leo port. You own an empire out there. San Fran, Francisco bay adjacent.

Leo Laporte (00:57:21):
I that's why I've been doing the thumb X exercises, the four finger exercises. I'm getting ready for Eldon ring. I know it's uncomfortable. I know it's difficult, but I will prevail

Owen JJ Stone (00:57:33):
You. You're you're what I consider retirement. Okay. You're just, you're just having fun. Talking about your you're duck. Dirty will not allow you to win. No,

Leo Laporte (00:57:42):

Owen JJ Stone (00:57:43):
Not here playing

Leo Laporte (00:57:44):
No TWiTch.

Owen JJ Stone (00:57:45):
You're none. No you're I mean, watch the kid play, you know what I mean? Put, put the movie on and it's like watching a movie when they're playing it. You know what I mean? When a kid's good. So

Leo Laporte (00:57:53):
Many years ago I interviewed a guy named Maha, Chicha, Hailey, who is, did you really? Yes. He wrote the, that is

Georgia Dow (00:58:02):
The coolest

Leo Laporte (00:58:03):
Thing. Yes. Oh.

Owen JJ Stone (00:58:04):
And this was before

Georgia Dow (00:58:05):
All the only other therapists are like, oh my God. Everyone's like, who did he,

Leo Laporte (00:58:09):
Before anybody ever talked about flow? He wrote a book called flow. Here. He is at his Ted talk back at 2004 that described this state. And he said, it's what makes life worth living? And I'll never forget it. I mean, it, it was a very interesting, he's a very, but me, even though I'd never heard anybody use this phrase, the zone or flow before I immediately got what he was talking about. And we all have some experience of the world disappears and you're just focused. And I remember in acting you do these exercises to bring up your energy, but it's not uncontained energy. You wanna bring your energy up, but be, seem relaxed at the same time in its flow. It's the centered flow where you have the energy, but it's contained. So I think if anybody can experience it, I don't know if this a E and ring is exactly the key to flow, but I guess, you know, if you're really good at it, you probably are or you

Georgia Dow (00:59:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or if you don't mind dying and you just en enjoy being immersed in something like all, there's all kinds of unusual activities that some people might find flow in and really be able to enjoy it. And interestingly enough, for anxiety levels, when you hit flow, your levels of anxiety, go down, it's soothing. Like you're just in a zone and your levels of dopamine and opiates, you feel just really good and usually more energized afterwards, as long as you're eating and drinking and doing all the other things that you need to do as well, you don't wanna get lost in it. Cuz some people can do a full activity and then they're just, you know, gone. They didn't pay their taxes,

Leo Laporte (00:59:49):
But there's also a somewhat more negative mechanic going on kind of the skin area, you know, Skinner box mechanic where your punished and punished and punished. And then you beat this boss and you even mentioned this there's this high of success, just like the, like you gamble when you go to the tables and you're lose, you're losing news. The worst thing that can happen to you in Las Vegas is winning because then you wanna get that again. And there's also that mechanic isn't it's, it's not just flow. It's also this mechanic of, I want that endorphin rush that I got when I killed the boss last time. See, I think

Lisa Schmeiser (01:00:28):
There's a really great chapter. Oh, sorry.

Leo Laporte (01:00:31):
All of us wanna talk any minimi mode, you start Lisa and then I'll let Georgia, and then I'll let Owen, how about that?

Lisa Schmeiser (01:00:38):
There's a really beautiful chapter in John. Crackow into the wild. Are you familiar with

Leo Laporte (01:00:42):
That book? Oh, I love that book. Yeah.

Lisa Schmeiser (01:00:43):
Yeah. It's about he tries to retrace the steps of Christopher McCandless who gained notoriety for starving to death in a bus in the Alaskan wilderness under circumstances that were mostly preventable. Not here to litigate that whole thing right now, cuz there's, it's ongoing the lot. He has a beautiful chapter where he describes talking about hiking. The I'm gonna mess up the pronunciation cause I've only ever read the, the sticky, the tying ice cap and crack hour describes the brutal process of inching up and, and, and placing your feet very carefully and, and SCR falls away. And what he talks about is how a quote unquote, a translates a trans like state settles over your efforts, the accumulated clutter of day to day existence, the lapse subconscious, the unpaid bills, all of it is temporarily forgotten, crowded from your thoughts by the overpowered clarity of purpose and by the seriousness of task at hand, then he ends the chapter by pointing out that like once you've achieved this great thing, quote unquote, the climb is over.

Lisa Schmeiser (01:01:49):
The only place to go is down and listening to you guys talk about that's exactly the same. The, the emotional intensity of being able to master this really tough task and having the joy of dropping into the moment and feeling that purpose fullness and that accomplishment. And then when it's done, you're like ha rat lever, press the lover again, ask this one. Like that's the flip side to that, that, that beautiful moment of knowing yourself in intense focus and purposefulness is, is it just, it ends I interviewed. And when you guys talked about the game, it's the same

Leo Laporte (01:02:20):
Thing I interviewed KRA hour in 96 after he wrote his book about Everest into Sinna into

Lisa Schmeiser (01:02:26):
Thin air. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:02:27):
Oh incredible, incredible story. And you know, I was thinking about that. Netflix has a show called 14 peaks, which if you haven't seen it is worth watching it's a documentary about out, you know, all of the people who summit Everest going back to sir, Edmond, Hillary really did it because they had Nese Sherpa who did it for them or helped them or led the way or set the lines. And these, these Sherpa never get the credit. They deserve it. His Edmond, Hillary at the press conference not tanking Norge his Sherpa. So 14 peak is about a Sherpa AEP, a Nepal mountain who wanted to do it for the Sherpa to get the credit for the Sherpa. And he did something no one has ever done before in seven months, he summited all 14 of the world's 8,000 meter peaks and it is harrowing, but it's fascinating.

Leo Laporte (01:03:26):
I, I, I, you know, I suspect that he also does it for the, the zone that, that moment of leaving the world's cares behind. And boy, he must feel that let down, he gets down because he went right back up and went right back up and went right back up. Of course, once you finish 14 peaks in seven months, then you're really gonna have a let down. It's a great story. And a lot of credit goes to NIMS PJA who is the the Sherpa who did all 14 pinks in peaks in seven months.

Owen JJ Stone (01:03:59):
I gotta figure out how to write a book on, on how to control that. Right. Cause, oh, you

Leo Laporte (01:04:03):
Could turn it on and off.

Owen JJ Stone (01:04:04):
So growing up when I was younger I lived a life where I had everything. We were really well off and then we were poor and then I had everything again and then I was middle ground. And so when I turned 21, I went to Lang city put a thousand dollars on black. I hit it for the next five years. Every year on my birthday, I went down there and I hit it. I doubled my money. I walked out. Didn't better on anything else. Didn't fly. Wow. The sixth year I lost, I never played again. I went out to Vegas with my buddies for a bachelor party. We're waiting in line to check in our hotel. I put a quarter in the slot. I want $800. I didn't gamble a dollar the rest of the week I was there and everybody's like, yo, you're you're hot. I was like, look, bro, I made my money out and hit this thing, shut it down. Like,

Leo Laporte (01:04:45):
You're a rare individual though. Most people can't do that.

Owen JJ Stone (01:04:48):
I know when I hear that, I hear that all the time too. I'm like, man, people just chase the high. Yeah. And I'm like, man, I, I had the high. That was great. Cool. And once the high goes away or something messes it up. But like I said, once I lost, I haven't put, I haven't go. Like literally I walk in the casino, put the thousand dollars down. I, I mean, I, I watch the boards and I pick my one and get my feel. But as soon as I hit it, I take that money. I walk out and the one year when I lost, I haven't done it again. I'm up like $6,000. I'm like, I'm good. That quarter, there's nothing better than I'm gonna do in Las Vegas than put a quarter in the slot and went almost $2,000, no matter what I

Leo Laporte (01:05:19):
Do. And as you know, cuz you're a smart fellow and you know, statistics, you, there's no such thing as a hot streak, you have exactly the same chance of losing next time that you did the first time and will in the subsequent times. So are you maybe you're not, maybe you're not an addictive personality. You think that's it Georgia? That, that it's a, some people are addictive personalities and they want that high. And once they experience it, they have to get it back. Is that that's amateur psychology. I'm sorry. I well,

Georgia Dow (01:05:46):
Well, no, I think that, I think that you're accurate in a certain state. I think that everyone has different things though that they could be addicted to. That's true. Like they, you have to just know what are the pits that are in front?

Leo Laporte (01:05:57):
Oh, doctor is addicted to barbecue. I think That might be a good, that

Georgia Dow (01:06:03):
Might be a good thing.

Owen JJ Stone (01:06:05):
Might good thing. Hey, I got one bag and I mean long noodle. I said, why I won get two it's two for five. I wrong.

Leo Laporte (01:06:12):
I just wanna say, don't ask me. But, but I was, I, I really used my my, my connection and I got Owen to send me his macaroni and cheese recipe. Don't worry, Owen. No one will ever know.

Owen JJ Stone (01:06:27):
Yeah. Look, first of all, the internet, every time I get to tap, he want my, my cookbook to come out. I gotta do it, but I'll tell you what you must know. Not love you as an individual.

Leo Laporte (01:06:35):
I know. Cause when you said that to me, I thought, oh my, my God,

Owen JJ Stone (01:06:39):
The, the mother now I was

Georgia Dow (01:06:40):
Excited when a doctor just gave me emoji. I think that I, I think

Leo Laporte (01:06:45):
I, I made it Christmas day. I made it. I made, I made two batches.

Owen JJ Stone (01:06:50):
How was it? It was

Leo Laporte (01:06:51):
So good. It was, but it was also a heart attack in a jar. Yeah.

Owen JJ Stone (01:06:58):
As I wrote it out, I felt really bad. Sending it to you. That's why I said, you know, you're not gonna eat all of this and it's gonna be super, I, I felt really bad. I'm like, if he dies from this, it's gonna be my fault. I gotta email. Oh

Georgia Dow (01:07:09):

Leo Laporte (01:07:09):
Oh my God. So I split it into two batches, one batch. I put collab and chilies in it. Ooh. To add a little and spice. And then I knew that some people would not want the spicy one. So I just made this, the traditional Octa. That is the, and I, oh, and I cooked it in the Trager. I smoked it for four or five hours that

Owen JJ Stone (01:07:30):
That's, that's kicking up and smoking. That's why I do sometimes put it in that, smoke into that smoker. But it was good though. Just tell the people GLI, like, cause they can't taste it through the screen. You know what I mean? When you ate it, I pictures. It's a meal almost in itself.

Leo Laporte (01:07:42):
Not only did I not take pictures, I will never make it again.

Owen JJ Stone (01:07:46):
No, it's it's it's look, I didn't get this big for nothing. It is harmful, but it, it tastes so good. It

Leo Laporte (01:07:52):
Is so good.

Owen JJ Stone (01:07:54):
It tastes so good. When I gave it to my daughter to take to her Thanksgiving with her mother, she wouldn't even share what the rest of the family. She's like, you can't have this. This is for me. You're not allowed. I

Leo Laporte (01:08:02):
Am eternally grateful. We took you and Leah out to a restaurant and had their lobster, Mac and cheese. I thought it might compete. You were very polite about it. You, you said, it's fine. Now that I've tasted yours. Now, you know

Lisa Schmeiser (01:08:17):
It, you get it now.

Owen JJ Stone (01:08:18):
You know, now you know the life of lobster,

Lisa Schmeiser (01:08:19):
You lobster. It didn't compete.

Leo Laporte (01:08:21):
Wow. Yeah. If lobster, Mac and cheese is not as good as regular Octa, Mac and cheese.

Owen JJ Stone (01:08:27):
Wait, wait. I put some lobster crab in mine. Get crazy. But we got, we gotta get back to talking about technology before we get

Leo Laporte (01:08:33):
Something. Oh no, this is way too much fun. I've actually cuz we have so few stories I've been, I've been filling basically just like your Mac and cheese. I've been filling super, super filling. I made a prime rib Mac and cheese biscuits. I think I I'm surprised people didn't die at the table. I really, it was, it was it's so good. It was so good. So good.

Lisa Schmeiser (01:08:58):
Have you ever had the Dungeness crab, Mac and cheese? That's oh my God. I'm now blanking on the place. It's in Marshall like right on the edge of Tama city.

Leo Laporte (01:09:07):
Oh no, that sounds good.

Lisa Schmeiser (01:09:09):
Oh my gosh. I'm blanking on the name of the place

Leo Laporte (01:09:11):
In December and January and Northern California. We get, I think it's the best crab in the world. It's better than king crab from Alaska. It's better than Baltimore's amazing. Soft shell crab. It's called Duncan. It's Dungeness crab and it only a few months a year. 

Owen JJ Stone (01:09:28):
We'll start. I'll fly out.

Leo Laporte (01:09:30):
You know what? Next Christmas we should go. Mar is it? It's a Marshall Mac and cheese

Lisa Schmeiser (01:09:36):
Nick's Cove.

Leo Laporte (01:09:37):
Oh Nick's Cove. Yeah. I love Nick's Cove.

Lisa Schmeiser (01:09:39):
Yes. Nick's Cove has the best Dungeness Mac and cheese I've ever had in my life. I've done. I've taken a day off just to drive out there, have the Mac and cheese and drive home.

Leo Laporte (01:09:50):
Tell me you don't wanna go here. O doc so good.

Lisa Schmeiser (01:09:55):
The view are phenomenal. Have like a oh, everything about it is just

Leo Laporte (01:09:58):
That's. That's actually the bay that's tamales bay, which is the most amazing bay of the Pacific ocean because it's pristine. They grow oysters there. Hog island oysters. Amazing because it's the water you could see to the bottom. It's incredibly pure and pristine. 

Lisa Schmeiser (01:10:15):
And this, despite the fact of it's got like thriving seal colonies, I kayak out there and across the bay with Tama bay, there's a white elk reserve. So if you're lucky, you'll be, you'll be kayaking on the bay and you'll see the elk come down from the Hills and Marin and you can hover off of hog island. So named because people used to pastor their pigs there and let them root Texas

Leo Laporte (01:10:38):
That why they call it hog island. Oh, now yes. Yes. Oh dear.

Lisa Schmeiser (01:10:41):
So if, if you get just the right point in the bay off hog island, you can hear the boom from the Pacific, at the mouth of the bay as it's coming through. It's so beautiful. There's a colony of seals that likes to hang out and sleep near there.

Leo Laporte (01:10:53):
I almost

Lisa Schmeiser (01:10:54):
Died. It's just a beautiful afternoon.

Leo Laporte (01:10:56):
Almost died in tamales bay. I was kayaking out there. My friend and I had strapped a grill to the tip of the kayak and brought oysters. We kayak like a horrible idea. We kayak barbecue, oysters. There's a little island out there. We, we barbecue oysters. We ate the oysters, strapped the grill, grill back to the kayak, started coming back and the wind changed and the waves got this big and we're going,

Owen JJ Stone (01:11:18):
Are you right back there? I'm right.

Leo Laporte (01:11:20):
And we just barely made it back. And then we got back. The kayak rental place said, yeah, we were watching. Why didn't you rescue us? Here's a picture. And

Georgia Dow (01:11:29):
They were watching for their kayaks.

Leo Laporte (01:11:30):
Yeah. They, they were worried about the car. Here's a, a picture of the signature dish, the Dungeons crab, Mac and cheese. All right.

Owen JJ Stone (01:11:40):
I want some Dungeness

Leo Laporte (01:11:41):
Crabs. All right, next time. You're out here. Old doctor, you and Leah will Lisa. And I will take you if if Georgia wants to come, if Lisa wants to come I'm here, we'll have a, we'll do a TWiT Nick Cove. That

Owen JJ Stone (01:11:52):
Would be,

Speaker 9 (01:11:53):
That would be perfect. Let's do it live there. Yeah.

Owen JJ Stone (01:11:56):
Coming out next month. And my, my daughter started crying. I was like, dude, you got school. She like,

Leo Laporte (01:12:00):
You're not bringing her.

Owen JJ Stone (01:12:02):
I she's got school.

Leo Laporte (01:12:03):
You know why she wants to come out too anymore. Huh? Last time she was here. Lisa took her jewelry shopping.

Owen JJ Stone (01:12:08):
They got, they got to hang out.

Leo Laporte (01:12:09):
Do not ever go jewelry, shopping with Lisa.

Owen JJ Stone (01:12:13):
Look, I, that sounds

Speaker 9 (01:12:14):

Owen JJ Stone (01:12:17):

Georgia Dow (01:12:17):
Lisa has amazing taste.

Leo Laporte (01:12:18):
She has amazing taste. And I think Leah got a little present.

Owen JJ Stone (01:12:23):
Yeah, she got, she got present. She got socks. She got socks. Like it's funny too. Cause I, I just emailed Lisa the other day. I, Lisa gets brought up every other week because people just like, oh Leah, that's nice ring. That's nice necklace. And she just full board jumps into I wasn't. And I bet at Lisa, we were So things.

Leo Laporte (01:12:44):
Leah does not sound like that. I just wanna say

Owen JJ Stone (01:12:48):
It's annoying to me because in the ma I was asked this week on TWiT about me getting to go out, shopping with the black card. I'm the one that brought up the black card. I'm the one that, that brought it up. I didn't get taken shot. No,

Leo Laporte (01:12:59):
No. Li Leah did shot. Yeah. Hey, by the way, that is, that was one of our events this week, Georgia. Have you done yours yet or yours coming up?

Georgia Dow (01:13:10):
My what?

Speaker 9 (01:13:11):
Oh, I, I did

Leo Laporte (01:13:11):
A, you did a club.

Speaker 9 (01:13:13):
I camp. I did a

Owen JJ Stone (01:13:14):

Leo Laporte (01:13:14):
Fires side. Chat fire one.

Speaker 9 (01:13:16):
Yes, exactly.

Georgia Dow (01:13:17):
Exactly. With aunt. It

Leo Laporte (01:13:18):
Was, was lovely and oh, doctor's done one. Aunt puts these together for our club only Mike Eldon, you should have

Georgia Dow (01:13:25):
Had one with Owen and I together and then we would've just overtaken everything. It would've been. And then there would've been no show. We would've just

Leo Laporte (01:13:32):
Talked aunt. I'm just telling you, aunt theat is coming up March 31st. We're gonna do one with Paul throt. This is all, this is what we're trying to do is make club TWiT an exciting and ti enticing place to be the original idea was people said, well, we don't, we don't want to hear all the ads. We don't want any ad tracking technology. So we said, well, you know what, if you give us seven bucks a month, which is about what we would make on you from ads, you don't have to have any ads. And so that's how club TWiT was born, was Lisa's idea ad free versions of all the shows that are just yours, but turns out the discord, which is another benefit we just thought, well, let's give 'em another benefit. Turns out to be really one of the great benefits.

Leo Laporte (01:14:12):
So much fun to hang out in there. All sorts of conversations, not just about our shows, but with our hosts. Stacy has a book club. We have the untitled Lennox show. And then we have all of these conversation pits on everything. Crypto food gaming hacking. We have a let's lay group where we have a dedicated actually now two dedicated Minecraft servers just for the club. And then there's the TWiT plus feed where you could hear George's fireside chat OOC, ask me anything. The upcoming Paul throt Stacy's book club, the untitled Linux show that gives his, all the shows that are now, by the way, we've been, well, I I'll tell you in a second, what we've been doing in there. But if you wanna join TWiT, there's a little plug for it. Now that by the way, was an ad that the people who are club TWiT members did not hear.

Leo Laporte (01:15:01):
So if you're hearing it go to TWiT, and you'll never have to hear this ad again. We we are also gonna start using this to launch shows and the very first show we've launched in there that we're about to make public this week in space is starting on Friday with rod pile and te Mallek. Tara comes from Rod rod is from the national space. Society's a contributor to the tech guy, wrote radio show that is ready to launch and go public. So go to You could sign up, get on the feed get links or whatever. And the first episode, there's an episode zero, but episode one is this Friday. It has been club members only. We're now going public with that. All right, let's take a little break more with a great panel. Lisa schmeer is here brand new job, no What is no jitter?

Lisa Schmeiser (01:15:55):
It's a site that focuses on communication from telecom and telephony all the way up through collaboration platforms like zoom, Microsoft teams, slack WebEx, basically. If you want to talk to somebody over the internet, it starts with the end user and goes all the way down to the network infrastructure.

Leo Laporte (01:16:19):
Wow. That sounds like a thing I'm gonna have to subscribe to and it's open to the public's free or is it a paid

Lisa Schmeiser (01:16:25):
It's open to the public. We're free. Nice.

Leo Laporte (01:16:28):
Yeah, no a great name.

Lisa Schmeiser (01:16:30):
Yeah, part and, and part of my scope. Now I'm also coach a conference called enterprise connect. It's next month from March 19th to the 24th enterprise or done at Orlando will be talking about emerging issues like meeting equity, which is becoming a bigger deals, more, more workplaces go hybrid. We'll be talking about the emerging of AR in VR, in the workplace and how that's gonna shape how you do your job. Taking a look at some of the security challenges that come up with zoom and slack, you know, all, all this stuff that people are gonna have to just kind of casually incorporate into their, their workspace in the next few years.

Leo Laporte (01:17:09):
You can find out about that as enterprise connect coming up in March. Well, congratulations on the new gig. That's great. Thank you. Well done. Thank you. Also, George Dow, I'll ask you about your YouTube channel soon and oh, doctor. I'm not gonna ask you anything. 

Owen JJ Stone (01:17:30):
Don't wanna, you wanna ask

Leo Laporte (01:17:31):
Me? I don't wanna know. It's not that I, Aw.

Owen JJ Stone (01:17:34):

Leo Laporte (01:17:36):
He's got a Funko. Papa, Georgia. Get the Funko Papa. Oh, doctor.

Owen JJ Stone (01:17:41):
One of the, one of the AMA questions was, is there still a podcast with you and Georgia in the works? I said, I gotta work order. Now I let her stop. Now I gotta get her. I grab a Funko pop. I'm a start guilt tripping. I'm a work owner guys. Now,

Leo Laporte (01:17:54):
Would you do a Funko pop podcast

Owen JJ Stone (01:17:57):

Leo Laporte (01:17:57):
Or a Funko pod as we call 'em?

Owen JJ Stone (01:18:00):
I mean, I could, I gotta do a Jefferson over here on deck. I mean, I got a whole bunch of

Leo Laporte (01:18:06):
Where did those come from? They just big head bobble heads, right? Is that really?

Owen JJ Stone (01:18:10):
Yeah, they don't, they don't bobble, but they be, I mean, they heads is big just,

Leo Laporte (01:18:13):
Oh, they don't bobble.

Owen JJ Stone (01:18:15):
No, they don't bobble. They don't even like RO, but they don't

Leo Laporte (01:18:17):
Even seems like they missing a bet there. They really could have made those bobble heads and

Owen JJ Stone (01:18:21):
Infringement. Anyway, we gotta pay bills. Me.

Leo Laporte (01:18:24):
Okay. Now they have squid game. Funko pops.

Owen JJ Stone (01:18:29):
You can't be trusted.

Leo Laporte (01:18:33):
I show today. Actually this is for all the cooks in the audience. This is the place to get your produce, your vegetables, imperfect foods, and don't be fool by the name. I think they're perfect. But the idea is imperfect foods was founded because they found out that a huge amount of food in our, in the us food system was wasted, just fell through the cracks. Produce. Groceries said, well, that's, I can't carry that apple it's too small or, or meats or vegetables that, or even snacks that there's too much of it, or nobody's buy whatever they can. You can now get it. It's basically, it's a grocery delivery service, but it offers a line of sustainable groceries that taste delicious, reduce waste, and embrace the natural imperfections in food. The chickens, the heritage chickens I get from imperfect foods are amazing. I will eat no other.

Leo Laporte (01:19:27):
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Leo Laporte (01:20:22):
So you're saving that way too. And the other thing, a lot of you know, always worry about packaging, they take all the packaging back they use a minimal amount of packaging it's card, basically cardboard box. They don't put a lot of plastic bags in there or anything, and they take it all back and reuse it. So you never feel bad about packaging? No more packaging guilt. In fact, I think it's the only national grocery delivery company that makes it easy to return the packaging. After every order. I just, I am such a fan. Our, our day is Thursday and we love imperfect foods. Save the environment, get great food that would otherwise go to waste. You're doing a good thing for yourself and for the planet right now, you're also gonna save 20% off your first four orders. Yeah. Just go to imperfect

Leo Laporte (01:21:13):
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Leo Laporte (01:22:21):
The researchers wrote a paper called trust. I love this by the way. It's very competitive. Now in the security research field, you've just gotta have a catchy thing. Trust dies in darkness, shedding light on Samsung's trust zone, key master design. It'll be presented at us N's this year they rely on something called trusted execution environment, which comes from arms trust zone technology. Basically it's, it's a, it's a isolated operating system, the trust zone operating system, but it's up to vendors to implement the crypto within the trust zone operating system. And apparently Samsung made a little mistake in the hardware abstraction layer. They, and this is actually not at all uncommon. They used an imperfect random number generator Samsung failed to implement key master TA. TA is the is the trust AR abstraction, the trust architecture properly and its galaxy S nine S 10 S eight S 20.

Leo Laporte (01:23:33):
And even the S 21 last year's the researchers show how they could obtain keys from the hardware protected blob. And again, it's not, this happens in Steve talks about this all it's time. Random number generators are not random. They're pseudo random. And Matthew Green, who is our favorite crypto guy at John's Hopkins said that the, the unique number, which ensures that the AEs encryption produces a different result. Every time the salt they call it needs to be unique. But if you reuse it, it's not unique green tweeted, so they could have derived a different key wrapping key for each key, they protect, but instead Samsung basically does it. They allow the app layer coated pick encryption IVs, which allows trivial tri trivial decryption IV is the initialization vector that initializes the random number. This is called an IV reuse attack, just mentioning it not a problem with the latest Samsung devices.

Leo Laporte (01:24:50):
Samsung did not immediately respond to a request to confirm the researcher's estimate of affected devices and to estimate if, how many devices, if any remain unpatched. Basically they had nothing to say. So maybe nothing to see here, nothing to see here, pay no attention, honestly, you know, I'm mention it just to, just to point out, it's very hard to do this, right. It's easy to make a mistake in crypto. It's why you want to get it reviewed by crypto experts and you know, and it's good that there's a security community that bangs on this stuff. And I presume Samsung will fix this. It's an easy, it's a thing you can fix in software, but these things happen. And it's just to be aware of, I don't think attack is so easy to do that. It's gonna be a, a threat we don't know of any in the wild exploits, just raising awareness is all I'm doing. I'm excited about the web, the James Webb telescope. I, I bet you Georgia dos a James Webner. I don't know why. I just feel like you might be.

Georgia Dow (01:25:49):
I, I, we, we have, we have a, a little telescope, so we do quite enjoy it. I'm not gonna lie. And yes, I'm excited about the web telescope and I'm just so happy that it's working and yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:26:00):
That's the amazing thing.

Georgia Dow (01:26:01):
One of those fun things,

Leo Laporte (01:26:03):
10 billion. So cools, they've been working on this 20 years. It's finally, you know, at the LA garage point, which is a million kilometers out so far, that it's gonna be very hard if there's a problem to fix it. It was, it had to be folded up like an origami project to fit in the nose cone so they could launch it. And then it had to perfectly go through hundreds of steps to unfold it without a flaw. It did. The mirror is 18 separate mirrors. They're hexagonal in an array, each of which can be trolled controlled separately. So it's out there a million kilometers from earth, and now the mirrors have to be a, they move very, very, very slowly so that the images they're collecting can be converge on a single point to basically to focus it. They took, you probably saw it. We talked about it a few weeks ago.

Leo Laporte (01:26:56):
The first images came back, 18 separate images. Now there been, they've been able to get it all to converge. They've successfully completed the image alignment. They are moments away. I think it, I think it, it, it is very soon that we're gonna see the first perfect images from this most amazing telescope. All the images are in the same place. The goal now is to get those tiny little nanometer adjustments in order to get the final focus, engineers have to image the spectra of light, looking for slight shifts of the image locations at different wavelengths and then fine tune it pretty amazing. Pretty amazing. So good news. We are. I, I, what, John, wasn't it? February 25th. Wasn't that the day they said we'd get our first images, I guess maybe they're a little bit behind maybe it's next month. Maybe it's March 25th. It's pretty soon. It's pretty soon. It's been an amazing story. Yeah, you got, yeah. Yeah. Right. Cuz you're they have a sun shield, but it gets pretty hot out there. We've starting to see some reviews of the steam deck. We were talking about games steam. I got boy, this was a year ago, right? That they, I got a pre-order I haven't gotten an invite.

Speaker 10 (01:28:26):
We haven't gotten our invite yet either.

Leo Laporte (01:28:28):
Well, you and I may be glad. Yeah. Leah's asking about it. I'm like, I don't know, bro. It might not work out for you. From Sean Hollister, Inver on the verge steam deck review. It's not ready. He says both of these things are true first. I'm having more fun with a steam deck than any gadget I've tested in years. Second, it's a mess. It's rushed. It's unfinished, it's buggy and unstable. If people sold it at best by our game stop, they'd be returning it in droves. But of course the people who are getting it are all people like you and me, Georgia who I can't wait we're and we're we rated on the be of $400. Here's the good news. At least from my point of view, all of these games on this are it's a Lenox box. It's running Linux. So all of these games had to be rewritten to work with Lennox. So it's been a great for Lennox gaming. It's really good news for Lennox gaming. I don't see Eldon ring on it. Not the great probably won't no the fan apparently quite noisy, never stops. Whining says Sean there are still many games that don't work and battery life two hours at the highest fidelity little disappointing. Nevertheless, this, I still feel like there's a lot of promise here. I'm excited about it. You, you you'd buy it right, Georgia. Even if, even with all the negative, all

Georgia Dow (01:29:56):
The, all the, all the stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I have, yeah. I'll try it out. I'll see how it goes again. Like, you know,

Leo Laporte (01:30:04):
Actually for 400 bucks, it's pretty amazing.

Georgia Dow (01:30:06):
Pocket's pretty. Yeah. Yeah. Like again, I hope that they fix all the bugs and so it works really nicely. I, I don't, I, I'm not very tolerant of buggy hardware, software.

Leo Laporte (01:30:16):
Well, and that's one of the, kind of the benefits of console gaming, right? Is that you, you know, you just turn it on and it generally, unless it's cyber punk, 20, 77 just works.

Owen JJ Stone (01:30:28):
And especially with like most games, like my, my daughter is a PC game. Like she's in this team, like, she's like, oh, I want this thing. I'm like, ah, let's wait and see somebody gotta figure something out. But she's like just the concept of being able to take the games to friends that don't have gaming piece sees. She's like, I could get so many more people to play. If I could just take a to 'em. Cause I can't take my computer over people's house. I'm like, well, I should got your laptop. Then if that's what you're thinking, you just wanna go out and mobilely play with people.

Leo Laporte (01:30:53):
I think this is gonna be better than a laptop, at least when it's finished. Oh,

Owen JJ Stone (01:30:55):
Oh yeah, no, no doubt is better than a laptop. I'm I'm just saying like, I didn't even think of wanting to just go and play games with kids. Like, like, I mean like the, the switch was that kind of thing where kids came together and partied the game and played, I didn't even

Lisa Schmeiser (01:31:09):
Thinks been fascinating. It's been fascinating watching the switch, take off like a virus among my daughter's elementary school cohort.

Leo Laporte (01:31:15):
What do they play? Animal crossing? What do they, or Zelda or

Lisa Schmeiser (01:31:18):

Leo Laporte (01:31:19):

Lisa Schmeiser (01:31:20):
They do a lot of Minecraft

Leo Laporte (01:31:22):
Interest. They,

Lisa Schmeiser (01:31:23):
They love, love, love, love, love making shared worlds and exploring them together and doing they're aging out of the kind of really immersive, imaginative play that little kids do. But it's been interesting watching how the girls, cuz I have a daughter watching the girls bond over creating and setting up rules for them and then having interactions with them and things like that. But in the course of like, I would say two years, we went from no one in, in, in any of my kids' classes, having a switch to practically everybody. And now there are play dates that are set up where everybody brings over their switch or they connect with each other in social spaces and do that. And the portability I think is what makes it easy. Because you're not tethered to a whole setup. You can just like pick up your little case and go and hang out with your friends and pop on. And it's just so easy to set up. I was, I was really pleasantly surprised by it in the

Leo Laporte (01:32:21):
It's really a surprising form factor actually. Yeah. I have a switch. I love it. I play animal crossing and I thought this was gonna be kind of a switch for grownups more. Yeah. because it's a, a windows or Linux machine quad Coreen, two processor and 16 gigs of Ram. I mean it's a pretty serious device. It's a seven inch screen. It's not huge, but I mean it's bigger than you think it's that's the size of the switch. It's it looks like they wanted to make a switch for AAA titles kind of.

Owen JJ Stone (01:32:52):

Leo Laporte (01:32:54):
Although the gaming on the switch is pretty good. I have to say

Owen JJ Stone (01:32:59):
I was interested in his DPAs. Like I wanna know how the functionality works, like what they're setting up because that the everything about this seems great. They need to fix it, fix it

Leo Laporte (01:33:10):
So well I'm also looking is the R technical review. They agree. Software is very buggy, Sam Musk. GOVI, who's very good on this stuff, but he does say the hardware is good and it, it, look, if it's just software, that's fixable, you know? Yeah.

Owen JJ Stone (01:33:23):

Leo Laporte (01:33:23):
Fixable. That's totally fixable.

Owen JJ Stone (01:33:24):
Two hours, battery life or something, mobile with a bright screen playing intensive games. We, I live in a world where you got a little power bang. You'll charge it up in world. It's not bad.

Leo Laporte (01:33:34):
I wouldn't expect honestly, more than that. Although the switch, what, what is your daughter's experience with the switch? I, I can't, I don't play it long enough.

Owen JJ Stone (01:33:42):
The, the switch, like, cause I've taken it sometimes to play it. Like you might get three hours out of it, depending on,

Leo Laporte (01:33:48):
Yeah. It's not much better.

Owen JJ Stone (01:33:49):
Yeah. But like if, if I'm playing like two K or like a mortal combat or something, something intensive you're, you're getting like two, a little bit over two hours. Like it's not five, six hours of play time running on that thing.

Leo Laporte (01:34:03):
Gaming is really interesting cuz honestly it's what drives a lot of technology there. Isn't a whole lot of and

Lisa Schmeiser (01:34:12):
Game always drives

Leo Laporte (01:34:12):
Technology. Well, that's true too. That is true. Isn't it? But there's not a lot of software that challenges, modern PCs except games, you know, there of pro stuff, you know, video editing and photo editing and stuff and rocket launching. But for most users, the games are the hardest challenge. They need the most hardware for games and we love games. Games are bigger than ever. It's a bigger than Hollywood. I think with VR coming and AR gaming and AR socializing coming with the world going into hell in the hand basket, we're gonna wanna play more games.

Georgia Dow (01:34:50):
It's a nice escape. Yeah. It's a nice escape. I have to say. It's a really fun, very cool experience where you can experience things that you would never be able to do in real life. So,

Leo Laporte (01:35:02):
And I think a lot of the stigma, you don't hear as much Congress saying, oh, you know, or, or moms saying, oh, it's gonna ruin your eyes or whatever it is mom used to say, get outside, get some fresh air. What are you gonna do play for living? You don't hear that as much anymore. You can. Yeah.

Georgia Dow (01:35:19):
You can. Cause some people are playing games for a living. Yeah, exactly. Lisa. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

Lisa Schmeiser (01:35:24):
I, I would also argue that you should look at gaming because that's gonna be your next generation of user interfaces and software. Right. And Leo, I'm sure I've said this on your show before, but I feel like we're in the age of desktop computing. Yes. Where the desktop is the primary metaphor for working and you have now a cohort of people who are heading into the workplace who grew up on Minecraft and other really customizable environments. And I'm sure if you're in your twenties, you're like, well, what is this desktop and file system? Let lie, you know, why can't I create a space that works with the way my brain works, lets me organize information the way that's useful to me and like play the games now or just don't understand how things are gonna look in 10 years, man.

Leo Laporte (01:36:10):
I agree. Yeah. I also wonder you know, gaming used to be the toy toy store kind of, of the, you know, but it's because it's, it's now bigger than the movie industry. I think it's becoming a primary entertainment form. I also think cuz of eSports, it's only a matter of time before it's also going to be a spectator sport. Yeah. The gaming gonna be part

Lisa Schmeiser (01:36:35):
Of like, like a bigger shift towards more hands on and active of participation in entertainment. You think about even the way people watch TV these days, it's a two screen, it's a multi-screen experience because they're tweeting their reactions or they're on like online fan communities looking at references and parsing things out and gaming is just, it's it, you're not just past the watching a narrative, you're changing the narrative. Yeah. You're participating in it directly. And that seems to be something that really resonates with a lot of people.

Leo Laporte (01:37:06):
Well, and even if you're watching as a spectator, you end up playing it. I mean, I, I watched a bunch of Ellen ring videos cuz I thought this is too hard and that made me wanna play it more. It kind of goes hand in hand and TWiTch, TWiTch is huge. Isn't it? And YouTube gaming let's play gaming huge right now. And people are, the craters are making many of the millions of dollars. I think it's I think it's the future of entertainment. So, and I think it's interesting that you're seeing new form factors. It that's the other thing you don't, this, this steam deck is a new form factor in the way you really don't see new PC form factors or new console form factors. So it's kind of interesting, I guess Nintendo gets credit though for for starting this and I, and I'm still

Owen JJ Stone (01:37:54):
Gonna shake my fist at the cloud, like a grumpy old man. I mean everything you guys said sounded great. Guess what? Nothing's hanging with this PC when it comes to me gaming and my Nintendo switch is great for like my fluff and portability. But those cartoon characters, I can't get better graphics by now. It's been five years Nintendo. Okay. Not everything has to be Ze tolike and fluff. Okay. I want some grit. I want some hardcore stuff in these games, in this system. Okay. What, everything being a bit emoji is driving me crazy technology. Isn't moving forward. So you talking about the future, the future ain't here yet, homie. Okay. I'm down here running with the thunder computer and the new Mac. N one MacBook pros. Hey look, maybe the power ain't there yet. The future is still far. You

Leo Laporte (01:38:34):
Just old school. Oh doctor. You're just old. An old man. Hey

Owen JJ Stone (01:38:37):
Look, look, I, I I've been hearing about lawnmower man, since the seventies, bro. I've been hearing about since the

Leo Laporte (01:38:46):
Seven you're sitting next to the queen, the VR.

Owen JJ Stone (01:38:50):
Oh the versus coming with the, I played second life. Okay. I was making hotel and bars and clothes for people making thousands dollars off of people in 2005, 2007. Okay. Oh that all of a sudden, we about to jump into the future.

Leo Laporte (01:39:04):
Do you have Owen? Do you have any VR at home? Do you have any? No,

Owen JJ Stone (01:39:07):
I don't. I don't have time to get nauseous yet. Okay. It ain't work. Matter of fact breaks everybody out here about to, they was and the next five, some of the greatest trash you ever imagine? Samsungs making some dope stuff. Guess what? Three months later, something better's coming out. Don't you buy one thing VR until apple come out with their crap new glasses and then wait for the second iteration to spend the money. Cause you have FOMO. Oh, you

Leo Laporte (01:39:29):
Don't want get 'em this year. They're saying 3,500 bucks. The first generation

Owen JJ Stone (01:39:33):
I just told you the FOMO. Have you spending, all you got to do is think about lawnmower, man. Okay. They've been preaching and selling. We got good. Four, five years. I put these goggles on, sorry. Ying all over my desk. Four

Leo Laporte (01:39:46):
Mark FOMO going get you. What do you are you your HCC vibe, right? Georgia. Yeah,

Georgia Dow (01:39:53):
We, we have, we have it all, but we have HCC vibe. And is that

Leo Laporte (01:39:55):

Georgia Dow (01:39:57):
I like, I like the vibe better. Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:39:59):
I feel like the Oculus though is taking the world by storm was the number one app on Christmas day, which means there were only,

Owen JJ Stone (01:40:07):
It's the only thing left to buy for children. My kids got everything.

Leo Laporte (01:40:12):
The vibe requires a heavy duty PC. The Oculus, the quest too, just to stand alone. Yeah,

Owen JJ Stone (01:40:18):

Leo Laporte (01:40:20):

Owen JJ Stone (01:40:20):
But nobody plays it. I, I got so many friends that they bought for their kids for Christmas. I asked them like a week ago they, they haven't picked it up first week. They were all drunk and running into TV. It's not insurance companies have gone up claims gone on 30%. Okay. Cause people here punching TVs, jumping outta windows, falling over. So just, just pump the brakes on all the VR stuff. That's all I'm saying.

Leo Laporte (01:40:43):
Do you agree, Georgia? You don't agree. You think he should? I don't

Georgia Dow (01:40:46):
Agree. I don't agree. I do. I do love it. I don't think it's ready. I think, I think you're right. I think you're right Owen. It's not, it's not ready yet. Really? Like for, for consumable. Like I think Oculus is, but then it's Facebook and your type of Facebook and

Leo Laporte (01:40:59):
You know what I would pay to watch Georgia. Why don't you have a YouTube channel of you and your costume with a headset playing the game? I would just watch that.

Georgia Dow (01:41:09):
I would, I do like I, I did. So I to send you a sacrifice on in VR which is, which was really actually a really,

Leo Laporte (01:41:18):
If you sent me a sacrifice, I did not get it. Are you, did you send it to my email address?

Georgia Dow (01:41:24):
I, I don't. It it's on YouTube. I didn't send it to you, but I did. I did it in VR.

Leo Laporte (01:41:29):
Is there a game called send you a sacrifice? Is that what you're telling? Yes. It's hell blade. Oh, I thought you actually sent me a sacrifice. I was

Georgia Dow (01:41:36):
Didn't get the, I sacrificed. There was no one sacrificed for the making

Leo Laporte (01:41:40):
Of this video. When did you send me that sacrifice? Cuz I, I don't remember getting it. So this is a game called thank you for clarifying. Yes. Send you a sacrifice.

Georgia Dow (01:41:50):
And she goes through psychosis. Oh geez. And, and she, she hears things and she sees things. 

Leo Laporte (01:41:57):

Georgia Dow (01:41:58):

Leo Laporte (01:41:59):
She, I don't wanna live through that. That doesn't sound in hearing

Georgia Dow (01:42:01):
It in VR and going through her journey in VR and hearing it all over around you was such an empathic experience for me as a therapist, but just for me to go kind of understand someone else's journey. It was really, it was really kind of eerie and cool. I think that for some people it might be too intense because you really do feel like you are there and I've had people describe how they would actually talk. Eventually they're talking to the voices back and they, it just feels like it's a part of them. And I think that it, it helps some people go understand what someone that's dealing with psychosis is going through and also to understand how you believe your world that you're in, because we only view the world through our own experience of that. And so what might seem like off to other people is just real and, and understandable to others. And so I think that that was a really, it was a really neat experie

Leo Laporte (01:42:57):
The game. So I have a close family member. Who's been through several psychotic breaks, hospitalized. Yeah. All of that. And I've, they've been trying to explain to me what it's like and I, you can't understand you can't I've been on the outside watching and it's horrific. Yeah. but you can't understand what was going. And this person says it was, it was very traumatic. They still live the trauma that PTSD from it. So would you think this would be a good game to play? Just to kind of, yeah. I mean, how close is it? You've not been through psychosis, so you probably,

Georgia Dow (01:43:30):
I haven't, but they,

Leo Laporte (01:43:31):
And no one who's been through this would wanna play this game cuz it would probably be very debating.

Georgia Dow (01:43:37):
Some people have and actually found that it was really a wonderful experience and they, they loved the way that, that they showed it and the makers of hell blade. They, they really like ninja theory, hired a psychiatrist. Oh, interesting. Dealt with psychosis. They actually hired people that ha are going through psychosis. This

Leo Laporte (01:44:02):
Looks really

Georgia Dow (01:44:03):
Beautiful psychosis.

Leo Laporte (01:44:04):
Yeah. To,

Georgia Dow (01:44:05):
To make sure that it was real and honest and they had to do that balance of how far do they go so that they're not doing a disservice. But it's still an honest portrayal of what is it like to have to go through that?

Leo Laporte (01:44:21):
It's not a first, it's not a shooter. You're not,

Georgia Dow (01:44:24):
It it's a first, it's a first per well third person. Like you're kind of behind her. Yeah. 

Leo Laporte (01:44:29):
She looks like, she's

Georgia Dow (01:44:31):
Feel like you're

Leo Laporte (01:44:31):
There a little crazy yeah, this

Owen JJ Stone (01:44:34):
Sounds like a cool game. Like I,

Georgia Dow (01:44:36):
Well, she's, she's a Celtic picked. So so you know, you're going through what, what she would go through, but that's also very accurate. They tried to make it as accurate. I'm

Leo Laporte (01:44:47):
Possible this also, wow, this is really sense.

Georgia Dow (01:44:49):
It's a very cool game cuz you're one is, it's a puzzle game. So you're in her world and she sees symbols, which is also something that some people with psychosis can go through. Yes. And you have to actually figure out like whatever you're looking for, the letter that looks like a letter M and you have to kind of move the world so that you find an M. And so the tree plus this wall makes together a letter M so there's part puzzle. And then there's a part fighting game and go through her story. And through it, these voices are mostly kind of you know, saying mean things to you and putting doubt in your mind and she's having to fight her internal battle that she's then expressing outwardly.

Leo Laporte (01:45:25):
Oh, it's very interesting. And I don't think that you, that's not a traditional game. That's a really interesting idea.

Owen JJ Stone (01:45:31):
I played a game like this. Like one, one time ago it was called max pain. They made a movie, a horrible movie out of it, but it was like this and it is a creepy thing because he was going through like mental issues and even spirits, whatever his mind was talking to him, playing tricks on him and you'd hear it. If you had some round sound, it would really freak you out because someone would be in your left ear telling you to do stuff. And you're like, wait, what? Yeah. And as you're playing the game at night, it would like, it would make me jump. Sometimes I'm like, whoa, what is like, who is,

Leo Laporte (01:45:55):
I love

Owen JJ Stone (01:45:56):
Having something in the

Leo Laporte (01:45:57):
Back your mind.

Owen JJ Stone (01:45:58):
Yeah. And yeah, it, that, this seems great. I mean, almost, I almost make me wanna put on some goggles

Leo Laporte (01:46:03):
Playstation or is this VR only, or

Georgia Dow (01:46:06):
No, this, this is actually a console game that, but then they poured it down to VR. So I played it better

Leo Laporte (01:46:13):
With VR are or better with,

Georgia Dow (01:46:15):
I, I have to say it. The only thing is that if you get motion sickness, I did feel, and I don't usually get motion sickness in VR. I did feel it a little bit cause I'm using the controller. So not walking around the same way I'm, I'm looking around, but it was really cool. If not, you would wear it with you know, a headset at the same time so that you can hear it in 3d really, really need experience. And I, so it's like, I think that experiential things like that, you can experience in a way that seems more real than you could. Like if you want to really experience what it's like to go into, you know, an Egyptian tomb, like doing that in VR, like you get the scale, you can feel things, you can see them. And so it's a really neat experience. And I, I think that for this game, it was, it was really cool. I'm happy that I did it in VR instead of just playing it on the computer

Leo Laporte (01:47:05):
S E N U a not send you a

Georgia Dow (01:47:08):
Sacrifice, not send you a sacrifice, send Sacrifice a new sacrifice. And I think ninja theory did an amazing job of really caring about being able to show what people are dealing with with psychosis and not falling into those old tropes of there's something wrong with her. And she's crazy and she's, and that means that she's dangerous. And I, I have to say, I applaud them for being able to do that in a really respectful

Leo Laporte (01:47:35):
Way. It also raises some really interesting ideas about how a game can be an experience and can introduce you to the experiences of others by living their, you know, walking a mile in their shoes to use cliche. Very interesting. Oh, I'll have to, I'm gonna have to, I have to try this.

Georgia Dow (01:47:56):
Yeah. And Def, but definitely play it, play it with a headset on if you're gonna do it, cuz it's a really eerie, but a neat experience for most people and for some people it might be a little bit too intense. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:48:08):
Well that's the intense

Georgia Dow (01:48:09):
Moment in the game.

Leo Laporte (01:48:11):
Yeah. so you're saying do do it in VR.

Georgia Dow (01:48:15):
Yes. I would definitely try it in VR, but you know, grab some fresh ginger afterwards, cuz you might feel motion. You have to do it in like 45 minutes. Since I,

Leo Laporte (01:48:24):
For longer I will get nauseated. If I spend too much time and depending

Georgia Dow (01:48:28):
On the, the type of game, especially.

Leo Laporte (01:48:30):
Yeah, yeah. The movement. I mean I got nauseated playing halo because there was a lot of head Bob or something. There was just something about it that

Georgia Dow (01:48:38):
Yeah. When you're moving, especially when you're going across the axis and if when you zone, so I don't get it if I'm using teleport, but if I'm walking, I get much more motion sickness because what happens is that your brain is getting two different signals, right? Yeah. So like you're because I, the, the slow, the tracking movement, you're kind of getting a different signal than actually walking. And so because of that, your brain and the horizon are different and your brain thinks that you're sick. Like you've drink, eaten some poison or there's something wrong. And so wants you to throw up the poison. Right. It's like an adaptive mechanism, but is not really helpful if you're on a boat or if you're playing VR, right. Our brains are not adapted to VR. And so because of that, you might feel some motion,

Owen JJ Stone (01:49:20):
You know, it's funny. I have to stand up and play. Like if I sit down and play, get nauseous, like if I'm standing up. Yes, exactly,

Georgia Dow (01:49:25):

Owen JJ Stone (01:49:26):
My arms. Like, I feel like I can, I, can I play just fine? But like, if you sit down, try to get comfort for me, it just rose me all off. And I'm like, what am I doing in here? Exactly. But it's, it's such a weird, like I said, we're not, we're not at peak, you know, plugging my brain technology, but we'll get there one day.

Leo Laporte (01:49:42):
You know, I might try this on my, this is the compromise. I have a big screen, 55 inch OED gaming screen. If I sit close enough to it, it's almost immersive. I might try it that way. Yeah.

Georgia Dow (01:49:54):
Well, as long as you have a headset on, I think that you'll still feel,

Leo Laporte (01:49:57):
You mean headphones. It's

Georgia Dow (01:49:58):
Quite headphones on the part.

Leo Laporte (01:50:00):

Georgia Dow (01:50:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that it's, it's quite immersive. It's not as much in the world. Cause like there's a scene where she, she comes up and she's looking at you and it's kind of like this out of world feeling in VR and she goes to like touch your cheek. Oh. And it was really this, this strong emotional moment and the voices and then she kind of like touches you. And I like, it did kind of bring me back. Like that was like a really interesting experience for it and that you wouldn't get, but you would get it for what it would be like to hear voices that are around you and in your head and you can't get out of it.

Leo Laporte (01:50:36):
Are there other are, are, are, you know, is, is ninja theories, other games like this, or is this kind of an outlier? And the other games are just traditional combat.

Georgia Dow (01:50:46):
Yeah. The, the other games are traditional games that they have, but there's, they're coming up with a second cinema sacrifice. So

Leo Laporte (01:50:54):
I wonder how well it did and to do well, they coming out with a second game. Yeah. Yeah.

Georgia Dow (01:51:00):
It's quite a popular game. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:51:02):
Interesting. I, I love it's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. I love seeing stuff like this because it's a, it a is a unique way of thinking about gaming. And I don't think, you know, I really I'm done with first person shooters. You're just so violent. And I want to try some other things that are as engaging and as fun, you know, that's hard to do fun. That's why I want kill monsters in in the Eldon ring. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's not why. Okay. You don't plenty of games. Do you, Lisa, I see you looking at us. Rolling your eyes, Sam, go outside, get some fresh eyes.

Lisa Schmeiser (01:51:36):
Roll my eyes. It's no, I didn't roll my eyes. It was, it was, it's like listening to people talk about, say geology where I'm like, I love that you love rocks. And you're able to use them to sh to, to like date the crust of the planet. But I can't tell, don't get my shift from my Felds bar. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:51:57):
You know, that's a common problem.

Lisa Schmeiser (01:51:59):
Yeah. Yeah. And it's the same thing with gaming where oh my God. Sudden sitting straight off.

Leo Laporte (01:52:05):
I love it. You you're suddenly glowing

Georgia Dow (01:52:08):
Should have the wings

Leo Laporte (01:52:09):
Get her the wings.

Georgia Dow (01:52:10):
Yeah. I'm gonna send of the wings. Yeah.

Lisa Schmeiser (01:52:12):
But with, with gaming, what I really love is hearing about how people get so engaged in it and everything from the intimate biological experience to the emotional engagement, to your technological setup, it's fascinating. And it's something where I'm like, I love that. You love that for you. Good, good.

Leo Laporte (01:52:32):
You know, I, I feel the same way if I can see somebody's passion for something, even if I don't get it I get it in that sense. Yeah. Although gaming, I mean, I'm holding out. I get it. Cuz I like gaming.

Lisa Schmeiser (01:52:44):
Yeah. I I'm holding out hope though. I'll find a gaming experience that clicks because you know, I'd say for example, I used to joke in the early two thousands that I just didn't get the point to radio. And then I was in a job situation where, where I was commuting, I was like radio

Leo Laporte (01:52:58):
Broadcast radio. You don't get the point of broadcast radio.

Lisa Schmeiser (01:53:01):
Well, no, I, I was gonna say, Leah, this is, this is my conversion story.

Leo Laporte (01:53:03):
You're gonna break my heart.

Lisa Schmeiser (01:53:06):
No, this is my conversion story because I was like, eh, what is the point? We can read it on the web or we can read it period or there's video. And then I was in a job situation where I had to commute for like 90 minutes each way, every day. And I got like, and, and so I was listening to K Q E D and like all of a sudden, after like a month, you begin to recognize the conventions of narrative reporting through NPR or California report or marketplace. And I began to really like start admiring the music selections and how they move your mood and how efficiently information is imparted. I'm like, I get radio now I get the allure. I get it. And I'm sure that's gonna happen with a game for me at some point. It hasn't yet, but I'm open to the possibility and I hope I get there.

Leo Laporte (01:53:54):
All right, when we come back, we'll take a break. I want Owen and Georgia to make some recommendations for Lisa for a game that would grab her and get her into gaming. And so we can, we can convert this person who is already walking into the light and get her all the way in. I can, I can, I can make a con I can make one for you right now. Kalia. Hold on. Are you gonna tell me express VPN? I'm gonna tell you to use my VPN. I can tell. I can tell. I can see that my VPN, my VPN, his VPN, my VPN express VPN using the internet without express VPNs, like leaving your keys in the car while you're running the gas station for a snack. You know, most of the time you come back, your car's there. Sometimes you come back and there's a guy driving off in your car.

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Leo Laporte (01:59:13):
So iOS 15 four, which is currently very, I think it's gonna ship well, actually let's do a whole apple thing cuz there's a whole bunch of apple news, but it's all somewhat speculative. I think 15 four will come out March 8th, a week from Tuesday. The rumor is that's when apple have an event, they'll announce their new iPhone se with 5g, they'll announce a new iPad air iOS 15 four will come out. I'm hoping a Mac mini will come out. But there will be a new voice on 15 four. I think this is great. I've often wondered why it's a female voice on these voice assistants. I don't like that. Apple has given us some choice is they are introducing a new voice that is in fact not gendered at all. Brilliant about time. Apple says they hired somebody from the LBGT Q plus community to record this. Let me see if I I'm trying to find an example of it. If you have 15, four, you've heard it and I have not heard it yet. And I wanted to wanted to see if find it, but I don't think anybody has the sample of it. Gender neutral voice option for serial me. See if CNET has it? Nope. Nobody darn it. I was hoping. Yeah. It's pat somebody said, is it pat? Yeah. It's pat

Leo Laporte (02:00:53):
Could be a guy, could be a gal. We don't know him. We don't care. Do you think do you think that's a good thing? Lisa, that, I mean, why should it be a female voice or even a male voice it robot. It's not a person.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:01:06):
I always reset my Siri to a British male voice anyway. It makes me think of Jarvis from Ironman. And I like that. I think that launching Siri as female along with, and I believe Google assistance, inaugural voice defaulted to female, right? I think it said a lot about some of the baked in cultural assumptions that the people developing these assistants had and chose not, not to examine. Yes. The fact that they defaulted to we're going to make this assistant. We're gonna have it present as female. And we think it's perfectly natural to have a female presenting technology subordinate to your desires and wishes and making your life easier. I think that says a whole lot more about the culture inside tech companies and the culture inside development teams than perhaps they would like to admit

Leo Laporte (02:02:15):
I use voice three and I, I didn't know this. I just thought it sounded Johnny. It turns out apple when they added these two new voices went to black voice actors.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:02:27):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:02:28):
Siri choose the voice he'd like me to use.

Leo Laporte (02:02:30):
I, I didn't think it's a black voice. I just thought it's a jaunty voice.

Speaker 11 (02:02:33):
I'm Siri choose the voice he'd like me to use.

Leo Laporte (02:02:36):
And when he says I

Lisa Schmeiser (02:02:37):
Wasn't like the Jake from steak farm guy,

Leo Laporte (02:02:38):
It's it is like the J maybe it is who we don't know. Cause they never tell you who it is, but it's and when, when you ask him to do something, he says, okay, it's like, he's very cheerful. Yeah. So here's the, I found it. This is for Mac world. This is very brief, but a little snippet of how the new voice sounds.

Speaker 12 (02:02:54):
Hi, I'm Siri. Choose the voice you'd like me to use. Wow. Hi, I'm Siri choose way. She'd like me to use sounds

Leo Laporte (02:03:01):
Like an house. So

Lisa Schmeiser (02:03:01):
Here's why I like it is, it sounds not human.

Leo Laporte (02:03:04):
It doesn't sound human. Which I like.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:03:07):
I like that because first of all, it's a nice way to sidestep all of the weird,

Leo Laporte (02:03:14):
It's not a human

Lisa Schmeiser (02:03:14):

Leo Laporte (02:03:15):
Yeah. I mean a human recorded. It's a robot you're talking to it.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:03:19):
It helps you remember that it's a piece of assistive technology that augments the human sphere.

Leo Laporte (02:03:23):
Do you encourage your daughter to treat Siri like a human or like a robot?

Lisa Schmeiser (02:03:28):
So what I've tried to do is model how you should talk to Siri and Google assistant with things like Siri. Could you please set a timer for 10 minutes? Or if Siri answers a query for us in the car, I'll say thank you, sir.

Leo Laporte (02:03:42):
So you're polite you say please. And thank you.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:03:44):
Well, yes, yes. And also because these are inter with all your social interactions, you should be trying this, right. That said one of the things

Leo Laporte (02:03:55):
It's not a human,

Lisa Schmeiser (02:03:56):
Well, it doesn't matter that it's not a human you're having discourse with it. Are you? And if you want,

Leo Laporte (02:04:02):
When I type a command, not all on the command line, when I say pseudo, APPT get, I don't say, please,

Lisa Schmeiser (02:04:09):
Well, here's the thing. That's you in the text and that's a little bubble inside your head. There's no other interaction involved. But if you're modeling a conver, if you're modeling a conversation and not all conversations have, have to be like the one we're having now where we're striving to exchange ideas and come to common understanding, sometimes it's just an information exchange. And if you have those and you do have those information exchanges with people. So why wouldn't you model the kind of behavior that you hope somebody applies to a person to person information,

Leo Laporte (02:04:38):
Develop good habits, person

Lisa Schmeiser (02:04:39):
To technology,

Leo Laporte (02:04:40):
Develop good habits. Cause it's a habit. It's the same.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:04:43):
It's the same way you, you always drink a glasses of water or you make sure you always have PS with the meal. You know, things like that. It's just another good habit. But

Leo Laporte (02:04:49):
You did point out that the good thing about this voice, I

Speaker 12 (02:04:51):
I'm sir choose the voice. She'd like me

Leo Laporte (02:04:53):
Doesn't sound human. It kind of reminds you. It's not a human. Yeah,

Lisa Schmeiser (02:04:56):

Leo Laporte (02:04:57):
I think so. That's the argument against saying the kids treat it like a human.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:05:01):
No, I, I, I think that, I don't think there's ever a bad time to model courtesy, not to animals, not in any sort of exchanges

Leo Laporte (02:05:08):
To the robots. They deserve it.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:05:10):
Well, yeah, exactly. There's a really good short story. I can't remember if I found the link off boy, boy, the premise was that in the short story, there was a guy who actually really enjoyed being verbally abusive to his AI assistant, you know, setting up to present his female and being abusive with it. And then the AI was like, oh, oh, is this how we're playing? I'll show you.

Leo Laporte (02:05:33):
That's Carla Johansen. In a nutshell, I gotta tell you.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:05:36):
So there was a little bit of that where I'm like, okay, eventually the technology's gonna get to the point where it's gonna either reward you for interactions or it's gonna deter them. Like

Leo Laporte (02:05:44):
We're the robots will remember is what you're saying.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:05:47):
Well, I'm not saying they'll remember on their own. I'm gonna say, somebody's gonna find a way to get

Leo Laporte (02:05:51):
You back.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:05:52):
Well, yeah, because they're gonna be like, this is behavior modification. Is, is behavior incentive,

Leo Laporte (02:05:56):
Georgia. Where, where do you come down on this?

Lisa Schmeiser (02:05:59):

Georgia Dow (02:05:59):
Well I think it's just a good habit. It's, they're, they're not human and that's fine. But I think that if you're, if, if you want to model behavior, it's, it's so close. Our brain does not know the difference between conversation with a human and not with a human cuz. That's not the way that like our brains are, have not changed almost at all in 150,000 years. So if you want your children to practice being polite and since they're interacting so much with technology, they should be a, a polite across every single scale of conversation so that when they feel frustrated and upset, which, you know, since I'm interacting with Siri is a lot of the time they can do that and deal with that frustration and still be polite instead of wanting to say

Leo Laporte (02:06:40):
Things that you're a dip head, please.

Georgia Dow (02:06:42):
In my head, I say horrible things to Siri,

Leo Laporte (02:06:45):
My head, try not say outwardly. I always horrible things To Siri, swear it serious. Like,

Georgia Dow (02:06:51):
And, and like, it's great. I think that it's wonderful to have different choices of voices. I think that being represented is, is really, really important. And I think that the fact that you know, I, I think that, that, that matters a lot that Siri still doesn't understand like intonation that if I'm whispering, don't shout back at me, you know, that might be like a really good

Leo Laporte (02:07:12):
Idea. Who is an echo now that does that. If you whispered echo it whispers back, is it bedtime? Or

Georgia Dow (02:07:17):
Don't say anything at all. I don't need you to tell me. Yes. I shut off

Leo Laporte (02:07:21):
All the lights. Honestly. I don't want them to be more human. I, I want them to be more robotic. I that's why I like this voice, cuz I don't want them. I want it to be clear. I'm

Speaker 12 (02:07:30):
Siri choose the voice you'd like me to use. Sounds

Leo Laporte (02:07:32):
Like we represent. I dunno. I think that one then, so

Lisa Schmeiser (02:07:35):
What I think is really interesting is my daughter will pit Google assistant in Syria against each other where she'll ask them both of the,

Leo Laporte (02:07:42):
She knows, she knows.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:07:43):
She'll ask them both the question and she'll see how they answer it. And I find it really interesting that she's always testing to see which assistant is more useful and legitimate to her needs. Like there's just some sort techno skepticism that she seems, I don't know where she got it from, but I'm glad she's

Leo Laporte (02:07:58):
Got it. I like it. No, that's good. I, my kids are old enough. I didn't have to teach them this. Thank God I didn't have this. Didn't come up. Oh and you're raising a ninja. Do you tell your ninja to treat Siri like a lady or kick her in the butt?

Owen JJ Stone (02:08:12):
Lisa's got me all I gotta and I gotta go sit down with of Georgia and, and think about my mindset. First of all, I, I, in my mindset, I was thinking the reason it's a female voice is because women should be running the planet because men screw up everything. And nobody wants to hear somebody man explaining to me how they didn't turn off. I,

Leo Laporte (02:08:27):
I read, I dunno if it's possible explaining

Lisa Schmeiser (02:08:29):
Would be the worst,

Leo Laporte (02:08:32):
The air force for years. What I'm saying? Wait minute. I just say this parenthetically air force for years has used female voices in the heads up displays, pull up, pull up, pull up because they thought men listened to their mothers, their moms. And as if they're, if they're PA, if they're blacking out their Redding out, if they hear their moms saying, pull up,

Lisa Schmeiser (02:08:53):
Oh my God, moms,

Owen JJ Stone (02:08:56):
All the things positive and negative women can motivate men and generally anyone to do anything. I said, that's where I thought it was from. Now. I'm thinking to myself, am I in the patriarch of men against

Leo Laporte (02:09:06):
If Arnold Schwarzenegger told me, pull up, pull up. I would pull up.

Owen JJ Stone (02:09:10):
Secondly, the other issue is, you know what? I've cussed out. My GPS, my PlayStation, my computer, my Google, my everything. It's a robot. I'm not saying please. Or thank you. I agree. I run this city up here. And that little voice is annoying. It's not even a robot voice. If you gonna gimme a robot voice, give me a real, there's plenty of examples in movies of a robotic voice, I would

Leo Laporte (02:09:33):
Like a robot voice.

Speaker 9 (02:09:34):
You be like, how? Yeah. Wanna be like how? That, that would make me listen,

Leo Laporte (02:09:38):
Pull on. If, if they

Owen JJ Stone (02:09:41):
That's what I need, that's the voice I need. Otherwise you just keep the women telling me what to do. Cuz I like listening to women. It's just me. It's cause this guy pay attention. If a dude tell me to do something like I, I don't need nobody. Else's mans playing me. I'm the one man's playing to everybody else. I ain't got time to listen to somebody. Tell me what to do with myself. Now. I'm not saying,

Leo Laporte (02:09:57):
What does Bender's voice sound like? Hmm. Joe dag, John DiMaggio. Let me see. Let me play a little bit. He

Owen JJ Stone (02:10:04):
Sounds like a person. Cause I've heard him character acting something else. I'm I instantly know who that is when I hear him.

Speaker 13 (02:10:08):
Hey everybody. I'm John DeMaio you may know me as the voice of bender, you know the lovable skin for future.

Leo Laporte (02:10:16):
He sounds like a human. Yeah.

Owen JJ Stone (02:10:18):
Sounds like

Leo Laporte (02:10:19):
In fact it sounds like kind of a lovable scam.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:10:21):
See, I want GLaDOS. If I could choose I'd choose.

Leo Laporte (02:10:24):

Lisa Schmeiser (02:10:25):
Like let's do this.

Leo Laporte (02:10:26):
I used to have my Tom, Tom, cuz you could do celebrity voices used to have the GLaDOS voice and she would lie to you. She would say turn. It was not a good choice.

Speaker 9 (02:10:37):
No really?

Leo Laporte (02:10:38):
Yeah. She would say turn left here when you're supposed to turn right.

Speaker 9 (02:10:42):
Oh my God. Really?

Leo Laporte (02:10:43):
Yeah. That's hilarious. So here's here's Gladys from the game portal. She's by the way, great game coming back portal is now I think it's now on the switch. Oh

Speaker 14 (02:10:55):
It's you it's been a long time. How have you been? I've been really busy.

Leo Laporte (02:11:02):
So they do some auto tune stuff with that, right? Yeah. That makes it sound. That's good. I, I would like lados to my, be my echo or Siri. I would like that. That's how a robot should sound. And then you could swear at it.

Owen JJ Stone (02:11:18):
Well, I, I pay for Samuel Jackson. I paid my 2 99. Yeah. And he was cussing all to live long day. It was great. I'd just wake

Leo Laporte (02:11:25):
Up him. Cus him, ask him. But listen, say Samuel, why do you cus so much? Well, and then back by the way, I

Owen JJ Stone (02:11:33):
Don't, if it was like a gag, but when I had other people come over, I would tell him, Hey, I got Samuel Jackson watch this. And he would never curse when other people were there.

Leo Laporte (02:11:44):
Oh, he was shy.

Owen JJ Stone (02:11:45):
I'm like, I'm like, what is going on? Like I people thought I was, I literally like 20 people. I was trying to tell, I was calling people on the phone, like listen to this. And he would like, I don't know what it do, but it knew I was trying to show off and he would not cuss when somebody else was present. It drove me crazy. I deactivated him. I want my 2 99 back. I want it back.

Leo Laporte (02:12:03):
I have a message for you from from Gladys here. Let me, let me see if I can get her. Oh, you

Owen JJ Stone (02:12:11):
Can type in what you wanted to say.

Leo Laporte (02:12:12):
Oh, oh. There's so many people. Here we go. You ready? Oh no. It's still thinking. There's so many people playing it. It takes a minute and a half to process it. This is a GLaDOS voice generator. GLA dos dot C based on text clips and a, I wrote something in, we'll edit it into the show later.

Speaker 9 (02:12:40):
It'll seem like it happened immediately.

Leo Laporte (02:12:41):
It'll be incredible. Right?

Speaker 9 (02:12:45):
Left you be like, I know the truth.

Leo Laporte (02:12:48):
It's it takes a, it's like a minute and a half to do this, I guess. And now that I've mentioned it on the air, it's never gonna work. So yeah.

Owen JJ Stone (02:12:56):
Like stereo Jackson, see, I told you, they know,

Leo Laporte (02:12:58):
They know there is nothing like a human voice for some things like for instance, I want a human voice to read to me. Right. But I don't, but I don't want a human voice on my Amazon echo or my Siri. I like the idea of it's sounding like a robot cuz I, and I think is why I think it's important to teach kids. Yes. You wanna get them in the habit of plea and thank you. That's important. I had a guy call me the other day. Call me sir, on the radio show, sir, sir, sir. I said, are you in the military? He said, no, I'm just polite. But he, but he was, I, you know, in fact aunt Pruitt will call people, Mister and miss and all that. I like that. I think it's a Southern thing, but 

Lisa Schmeiser (02:13:42):
Yeah, it's the self,

Leo Laporte (02:13:43):
But you gotta know, but you gotta know the difference between a human and a robot. And I think the other thing kids need to learn is these are not humans. It might feel like it. You might emotional. I don't. I worry about a kid getting, I know intellectually. They know, but I worry about them getting some sort of emotional sense that I'm interacting. It's easy to get in that I think. And I, I think it's important. They know the distinction.

Owen JJ Stone (02:14:08):
Have you ever watched a movie? Her?

Leo Laporte (02:14:10):
Yes. Yeah. He fell in love with her.

Owen JJ Stone (02:14:12):
He fell in love with her. Yes. That, that is the future. That, that that's, what's coming down the pipeline with all this AI and natural reaction and expression and wanting to have things feel more natural like that, that AI robot they have, that people are saying they freaked out.

Leo Laporte (02:14:26):
He fell in love with her, right?

Owen JJ Stone (02:14:28):
Yeah. He fell in love with her.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:14:30):
One of the emerging areas of and call centers is how to get AIS that can read sentiment and respond to both small talk and, and profanity. Yes. Well the idea is that if you get the AIS that read, what you can do is you can actually move the customers to more effective person, to person interactions later. So that an agent is like, okay, watching this guy's coming in hot or, or what have you. But I, I find it so interesting that we're gonna have basically the suite of technical tools. That's gonna try to meet people where they are emotionally and then move them to a different place emotionally in the service of a customer

Leo Laporte (02:15:05):
Transaction. That's so manipulative

Lisa Schmeiser (02:15:06):
It's so it's so wild that this is what people wanna do with the technology.

Leo Laporte (02:15:10):
Here's glad USS.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:15:12):

Leo Laporte (02:15:13):
Let's see if I can get it.

Speaker 14 (02:15:14):
Oh, when you're crazy. We only cuss when you're in the room,

Leo Laporte (02:15:17):
That's sort of glad Ossie, by the way, I should have never mentioned it. And then there's hundreds of people using it and it's never gonna work for any of 'em. I'm sorry. All right. Let's take a break. Cuz I'd mentioned audible and I should probably talk about them. They are our sponsor for this segment. And I tell you what you know, I have a Kindle that will read by a robotic voice, will interpret the text. I have lots of ways to do that. They're getting better and better, but there is nothing like a real reader. And that's what audible is all about. Audio books performed, not read performed by some of the best performers in the world. In fact, when you get a celebrity audio book, a biography or autobiography often they'll read it. Steve Martin reading, born, standing up. It's like he's in the room.

Leo Laporte (02:16:09):
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Leo Laporte (02:17:07):
Audible gives members a chance to list into and discover new favorites and explore different formats and that. So part of what makes your membership so much more valuable things like the exclusive words, plus music series, or maybe a podcast you never thought of or consider before theatrical performances, you could go to Broadway and as an audible member, you could choose a title a month that you get to keep from their entire, our catalog, including the latest bestsellers and new releases. Let me show you the, the one I listened to, this is so good. The house of Murth Eleanor bran. That's who it is, Edith Whartons and she listen to her. She's so beautiful. This is so good.

Speaker 15 (02:17:46):
Seldon paused in surprised in the afternoon, rush of the grad on central station, his eyes had been refreshed by the site of miss Lilly, Bart.

Leo Laporte (02:17:55):
Oh, Lilly, Bart. Gosh, me. Nothing was included in my audible membership. Audible studios did this one. Oh, if you, if you like that, the the gild age on HBO, you're gonna, this is even better. I just got the Baba verse. Steve Gibson's been Ray raving. Have you guys read any of the Baba verse? He's been raving about it. Let me play a little bit of that. That's the other thing. Look, I'm streaming. You can stream from your browser here. I'll play a sample. There we go. Good.

Speaker 16 (02:18:23):
You're awake. I tried to respond, but what came out was something like a cross between a cough and static

Leo Laporte (02:18:30):
Recognize is that voice. Do you know Ray Porter's voice? I know you do because he does project hail Mary, the latest Andy Weir audio book. I just love Ray Porter. He does all the Baba verse as well. 2022 big for audible. They're celebrating our newfound self-awareness and making positive change. Audible helps make space for what matters to you. It's a destination for your wellness. Whether you're looking to soul search, be inspired, work toward new goals, unwind or simply be entertained. We've had some time in the last couple of years to figure out what truly makes us happy. I'll tell you what I couldn't survive pandemic without audible. And believe me going into the future, audible will always be my companion. You can always find the best of what you love or something new to discover new members. Try audible. I don't know if, if there could possibly be anybody who listens to this show who is not yet a member, but if you're one of them, try it free for 30 days. Download the audible app. Get started with your free trial, or text TWiT to 500, 500 a U D I B L or text TWiT to 500, 500 to start your free trial today. A thank you audible for keeping me company for the last few years with the best audio books. Huh. Oh, I forgot. We have a promo. We don't like to call them promos. We like to call them mini movies, recapping some of the things you may have it this week on TWiT.

Speaker 17 (02:20:08):
I wanted to hang out with Mr. Owen, J J stone also known as oh, doctor also known as pain in my neck

Leo Laporte (02:20:18):
On Mike.

Owen JJ Stone (02:20:19):
I cut the roll. Mike. See, thank you for coming to the a ma a ma run by O J stone. AKA O do you oh, oh, he SA head. I can't hear him. Sorry, your mind's cut

Speaker 18 (02:20:31):

Leo Laporte (02:20:32):
Did you? You take over

Speaker 18 (02:20:34):
Security. Now what

Owen JJ Stone (02:20:35):
I do, we

Speaker 19 (02:20:36):
Consider the implications of the technology behind last week's denial of service attacks on some of Ukraine's critical infrastructure. What the world saw a week ago in Ukraine was in HTTPS query, capable, botnet, flexing its muscles,

Speaker 18 (02:20:54):
Tech news weekly.

Speaker 20 (02:20:55):
I wanna talk about Amazon's Astro home robots.

Speaker 21 (02:20:59):
I found two people in the world with the Astro contacted. Both of them only got one reply. Only two people posting about a thousand dollars device. That means there's very few in the world. And to be honest with you, I believe it's between 50 and a hundred in the wild

Speaker 18 (02:21:12):
Windows weekly.

Speaker 22 (02:21:14):
So when you flash forward to windows 11, they're saying, Hey, look, we're gonna let you install windows 11. We get it. Now we may at some point, stop delivering security updates, right? There's no promises, but we're gonna let you do this for now. They're gonna put a watermark on your desktop telling you that this computer is not supported like for no. What, why,

Speaker 18 (02:21:35):
What is TWiT

Speaker 23 (02:21:36):
Or you put a sticky note on your screen over the watermark.

Speaker 22 (02:21:40):
Yep. If

Speaker 23 (02:21:41):
It really bothers that much. I know,

Leo Laporte (02:21:44):
I know, wait a minute. Was that my Bitcoin password that I saw there? If you missed anything this week, we had a lot of fun and again Owen, you were great. And they asked me anything. Paul Thra himself will be coming up next month. AM's doing a great job, putting together some fun stuff for our he's

Owen JJ Stone (02:22:07):
Making himself useful.

Leo Laporte (02:22:09):
He's making himself useful. What is, by the way I've been, what is the microphone you're using these days? Owen. And that's a different look at mic. What is that?

Owen JJ Stone (02:22:16):
This is so I switched. Sounds

Leo Laporte (02:22:18):

Owen JJ Stone (02:22:19):
I usually use these, but I, I just shot a new raising an ninja today and my daughter saw a podcast. So I switched it up. This is the little pod road, mic thing, the little tiny one,

Leo Laporte (02:22:29):
But the big one's a road as well, right?

Owen JJ Stone (02:22:31):
Yeah. They're all. They're

Leo Laporte (02:22:32):
Both roads.

Owen JJ Stone (02:22:33):
Yeah. And I, my other mic is AKG. I got I'm. I'm like you, I got too much stuff. So every once in a while, like to switch it up, get my voice a little bit more depth. Yeah. Check it out. See if, if it works better for me is so okay. That's what I'd do. All right. And, and, and look at this today. Look at this. You what this is,

Leo Laporte (02:22:51):
Is that Georgia.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:22:52):

Owen JJ Stone (02:22:53):
Cute. It's turbo man.

Leo Laporte (02:22:55):
Turbo man, Herbo, man. Who's turbo, man.

Owen JJ Stone (02:22:58):
You don't know about turbot. You were talking about Ernest SW earlier, Ernest Swiss in that movie, but they were trying to get the turbo man. Do what is it called? The Christmas movie. Everybody's trying to get a turbo man. Dang it. Can't

Lisa Schmeiser (02:23:08):
Remember. Do you know all the way is that,

Owen JJ Stone (02:23:11):
That sounds about right. That sounds about right. You're trying to get the toy. That's the toy everybody's trying to get.

Leo Laporte (02:23:16):
You know, I finally understand what it's, what it means to get old. The young people around you will be talking about things. You have, you just go, I don't know what you're

Owen JJ Stone (02:23:24):
Well that you live in a whole different hyperspace. You and Tom Mary get on my nerves. Anyway. Somebody asked you about a, a diode from 1983

Leo Laporte (02:23:33):
That I know about. I can tell you, I can tell this shifts from the false part. Exactly. I know the difference.

Owen JJ Stone (02:23:39):
Just pop your brakes on what you do and don't know your, your brain's kind of full of some somewhat information. I,

Leo Laporte (02:23:46):
I loved, I loved that when you said that, by the way, Lisa, because my father was a geologist and you bet I could tell the sch from the 12 spark know on site

Lisa Schmeiser (02:23:58):
It's it's I feel, I feel like I it's. It's the miss ath part of the brain, cuz I, I went on a boat tour in crater lake. We went to crater lake now national park, you go on the boat tour, you see the the log that's been floating there for years and the park ranger who did our boat, wait a minute

Leo Laporte (02:24:13):
Tour. They give you a tour of a log. That's been floating in the lake.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:24:18):
You, well, the log is like a feature. You basically go in the middle of trader lake to look around and be amazed at this, this volcanic called dare in.

Leo Laporte (02:24:26):
Yeah. But were I'm lucky, the feature is the log floating. Yes.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:24:30):
Yes. It's called the old man. And the reason it's a big deal is crater lake is so cold. It's just a few degrees above freezing. And because it doesn't have any water source that flows in or flows out. Oh, it's a re it's. 

Leo Laporte (02:24:43):
It's like a giant ice cube

Lisa Schmeiser (02:24:45):
It. Yeah. BA yes. And so this log has been bobbing around in the lake for, for decades upon decades. I forget exactly how long I'm gonna have to Google that one.

Leo Laporte (02:24:55):
Top a picture, the old man of the lake. So it's floating. That's not like a pier. That's just a floating piece of wood. It's

Lisa Schmeiser (02:25:03):
A floating. It floats vertically, that's it? Yes.

Leo Laporte (02:25:09):
How has the giant hemlock managed to float upright in PLA lake for more than a hundred years, man, if that, because

Lisa Schmeiser (02:25:16):
The water is bloody cold is what it is. And the, the ranger who was leading, who, who was leading us around the boat happened to have a PhD in geology. And so he's completely nerding out explaining to us, oh, and this has happened when the dinosaurs were walking, the earth, this happened, people were just the thing is that he's dropping all of these technical terms. And I was like, how lucky we are. And I won't remember any of this because it's just

Leo Laporte (02:25:41):
No, there's I Don I don't

Lisa Schmeiser (02:25:42):
No, my

Leo Laporte (02:25:43):
Not enough room in the head,

Lisa Schmeiser (02:25:44):
Not in the brain anymore. I don't know. 

Leo Laporte (02:25:46):
One thing goes in, something goes out and you just

Lisa Schmeiser (02:25:49):
Like, Paleozoic messes. Zoic, don't

Leo Laporte (02:25:52):
Donate it Flirtatious. Oh, I know.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:25:56):
You know, there's the Urian period, period and the Cambry period. And they all just kind of jumbled together. And so I'm like, okay, we can look at rocks and figure out how old things are. And that's great. That's just gonna be a skillset. I don't have,

Leo Laporte (02:26:08):
Well, there's Mount Mazama. What? Why are, oh, is this also a crater? John's a big fan of of craters. Yeah. That's what, oh, that's the volcano. Yes. That blew up in Oregon and made crater lake. And maybe the old man of the lake is in that volcano. We don't know, but That is that's hysterical.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:26:29):

Leo Laporte (02:26:29):
Fascinating. Does it, does the, does the ranger understand the, kind of the irony of the fact that you're going in a boat in this lake? And he says, and there's the old man, the lake a log that's been floating here for a hundred years. Does he understand the irony of that? Or is he just do it straight?

Lisa Schmeiser (02:26:45):
He does it straight.

Leo Laporte (02:26:46):
He does it straight, straight.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:26:47):
They, they have their work cut out for them because they have to remind you repeatedly. Please don't go into the lake. It's almost freezing. Is it

Leo Laporte (02:26:54):
That cold? Wow. So no water in or out. How does it, why does it not just evaporate?

Lisa Schmeiser (02:27:00):
I don't

Leo Laporte (02:27:01):
Remember. Maybe there's ice. Maybe there's melt. Yeah. Oh, rain. They have rain up there. Okay. There you go.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:27:07):
And it snows the photos that come out of crater lake national park in the winter are amazing.

Leo Laporte (02:27:11):
Never been there. I can't wait now I've gotta go see the old man of the lake.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:27:16):
Yeah. Just by just get yourself on the boat tour. You'll go buy it. You'll be tempted to try to reach out your arm and touch it. And they'll be like, no, don't

Leo Laporte (02:27:24):
Oh, they get mad. If you try to touch it. Well you, oh yeah. It'd be really embarrassing if you touched it and it sank. It'd be like

Lisa Schmeiser (02:27:32):
You fall in and you're holding onto they're the leg. It ruined it. It was huge. Perfectly vertical. It is phenomenal to,

Leo Laporte (02:27:40):
Yeah. Great to what are you in for man? I, I committed murder. I I sank the old band of the lake.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:27:47):
I cost it to float horizontally.

Leo Laporte (02:27:50):
I tilted it tilted over. Oh boy. Oh boy. Well, we we've actually run out of this has never happened before. We've run out of stories before we ran out of show. So I stalled for as long as I could. I just couldn't keep it going. I guess I have to take off my clothes. I don't know. No, I wouldn't do that. That you already streak. That would be

Lisa Schmeiser (02:28:12):
Terrible. You mean you wouldn't do that again?

Leo Laporte (02:28:14):
Once is enough.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:28:15):
Oh, I believe you guys were supposed to give me gaming recommendations. Ah,

Leo Laporte (02:28:19):
I knew there was something we were coming back to do. So we wanna get Lisa into gaming. I personally, I'm a big fan of Val hiim. It's about building. It's about being a Viking. It's beautiful sunsets. It's occasional attacks for strange things, but most of the time you just hang chilling with the Vikings. My favorite, what are you? What are you commend to get Lisa into games?

Lisa Schmeiser (02:28:42):
A brutal exploration and survival game. I'm told

Leo Laporte (02:28:45):
It's not that brutal. It's not, it's not, that's a it's

Lisa Schmeiser (02:28:48):
Procedurally generated per what does procedurally generated mean in

Leo Laporte (02:28:51):
This? It means it's different every time. And so there's different seeds. You can the best thing though. And I is to get a group of like girl Scouts together and in a server and all play cooperatively. And you can honestly do more build. It's more like Minecraft than it is like call of duty. It's a, it's a, a beautiful game. I really like.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:29:10):
Yeah. I don't wanna shoot him up game. I,

Leo Laporte (02:29:12):
No, I don't. I don't wanna stressful in hostile. That's why I should also recommend Wordle.

Lisa Schmeiser (02:29:19):
Wait, the one that just got B on New York time. No,

Leo Laporte (02:29:21):
No. About that there York times. Sometimes that could be dramatic. Lisa and I, it is our ni it is our new nighttime. My Lisa not Leuner. Yeah, not me. Yes. I don't know her that one. It's our new nighttime ritual. Before we turn out the lights and go to sleep, we do a, we do the Wordle. It's really fun. It's kind, I've never done Wordle. I will never do Wordle. Never what?

Georgia Dow (02:29:43):
I, I tried it too. And it was not for me. I'm dyslexic. So like, it was, it was no was not, I did not find that fun.

Leo Laporte (02:29:52):
So what do you recommend deduction puzzle for, for, for Lisa? What do you wanna, what do you want? I don't depend.

Georgia Dow (02:29:58):
Like, it depends on what you really enjoy. Like gaming. It should be something that you already enjoy doing. So like, for me, it's just stress relief. Like I want something kind of mindless. I can come in, I can come out. I don't have to worry. I get a little bit of dopamine from like, whatever. I'm with you, a candy crush regime or yeah, a doing a puzzle solver, like the room where you're in a area and you have, that was a break and put them away. Yeah. It's just a really fun beauty, a full, easy to start in an end game or all like play people against boggle. Like I like like quick and easy games. Like those really long expansive games. Like I, like, I don't have the time to be able to go through it. And Lisa, it seems like you're doing like a million different things. So I don't think that you'd have a lot of time to be able to do a game that you're gonna have to spend lot of effort in doing. So I would say something that's more kind of like a casual, you know, something that's good for your brain. And you're doing like, whatever words with friends or other things where you can kind of have a little cute little competition going, but it isn't something that's really serious or that's gonna take up a lot of time.

Leo Laporte (02:31:02):
It's a good idea. Yeah. Casual game, iPad. Iphone style. Yeah. Yeah. That's that makes a lot of sense. And

Georgia Dow (02:31:09):
It keeps your brain active Owen.

Leo Laporte (02:31:11):
What do you think as usual? Lisa? I don't know if you've noticed this, but I'm the person that comes in with the correct answer for you. Okay.

Owen JJ Stone (02:31:21):
Kids are,

Lisa Schmeiser (02:31:22):
I love that he did his doctor voice. He's doing his doctor voice. He's doing the doctor. No, that's the, I love it.

Owen JJ Stone (02:31:27):
Your, your children have Nintendo switches, the first thing. Mario cart. Okay. I'm sure you have a vehicle. Yes. I'm sure that a little bit of competition get the blood going. And when you shoot a turtle at a kid and they scream and cry, when they're about to make first place and you take em out, there's no greater joy. I know you said you don't want violence. That's true. But when you punk one of these

Leo Laporte (02:31:48):
Violent, it's just a turtle. Yeah.

Owen JJ Stone (02:31:50):
Oh no. It, it is not violent to the kids get upset and that's the kind of violence. I enjoy Megan children. Sad. When you hit 'em with a little turtle or you off a banana peel in their face, Mario Carsley

Lisa Schmeiser (02:32:01):
On the show. You were talking about how it's important for their sense of achievement to finally beat you. So what I hearing is to be a good parent. First, I have to beat them.

Owen JJ Stone (02:32:08):
Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, and, and, and Hey, you're a rookie. So you going take some LS at first, that's when you gotta level up your game and be consistent, you know, two or three races a week, maybe play at night. When the kids go to bed, one game only take you four minutes. Next thing I know, two months later, you gonna be telling me I'm running these kids into the dirt. Oh, doctor. And that's where you get started at. And then you can move into, once you get addicted, cuz you're going to get addicted. That's when you move into animal crosses your, your mother, you take care of lovely home. You go ahead and take care of a fake, lovely family.

Leo Laporte (02:32:37):
I was gonna suggest animal crossing. And,

Owen JJ Stone (02:32:39):
But you, you didn't though. Didn't

Leo Laporte (02:32:41):
Didn't didn't no, this is a great game. A lot of fun. And then,

Owen JJ Stone (02:32:44):
And then you move an animal across and then you'll be addicted. The next thing you know, you'll be playing Skyrim and laser dinosaurs will be popping all out the windows on you. You'll be excited, but start with Mario car. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:32:54):
Mario cart. I think Mario cart is a very good suggestion, especially cuz it's combo it's you can all play together, which is really a lot of fun.

Owen JJ Stone (02:33:02):
And you can get in quick in and out, play a game, takes five minutes.

Leo Laporte (02:33:05):
Boom. All right. You got an assignment. Lisa schmeer. All right. All right. Thank you for oh, portal. Yes. Portal. It just came out for the switch.

Owen JJ Stone (02:33:15):
Yeah. Portal's a fun game. I, I loved portal when it came out, like we used to have like little party, but like, I guess we're guess some same things. Parties. Like people would come over. We would just play it cuz it was just such a fun game. It was a great game.

Leo Laporte (02:33:27):
It's a puzzle game. It's not violent. There is. As we mentioned an evil robot that is kind of trying to keep you in there. You get a gun, a portal gun, which you can shoot two different kinds of holes and entry hole and an exit hole. And it's basically a puzzle. How do you move around? Trying to get out? It's really, really, really fun.

Owen JJ Stone (02:33:51):
Like eight to point B

Lisa Schmeiser (02:33:51):
Because I only just now realized the cake is a lie comes from

Leo Laporte (02:33:54):
That's where the cake is a

Lisa Schmeiser (02:33:56):
Lie. My God. Cause I, I was Eddie answered his cake or death and I was like, oh maybe this is just an extension

Leo Laporte (02:34:01):
Of cake or you're in the aperture science enrichment center. And desperately you have a companion cube, which is a lot of fun. This is a, this is actually a cerebral game. That's fun to play. It would be great on the switch. In fact, now that you mention it, now that it's out on the switch, I think I'm gonna get portal and portal too. Just came out the portal companion collection. Good recommendation. Good one. I like it. Lisa is, has a new job. No Jah. No JTA better in chief. No I am so happy for you. The conference is coming up next month. Find out more at no jitter. J I T T E Do you are you active on TWiTter on the TWiTter? You wanna give you TWiTter handle?

Lisa Schmeiser (02:34:46):
I am active on TWiTter at L S C H M E I S E R.

Leo Laporte (02:34:51):
Great to see you. Anything else? You wanna plug, plug something?

Lisa Schmeiser (02:34:55):
No, I was gonna say, just be sure to check out the enterprise connect We're gonna have both in person and virtual events. So it's a pretty exciting hybrid conference, tackling everything from VR and AR in the workplace to identifying issues that may hinder meeting equity and how to address them. It's a really great look at communicating at a time when it has never been more important.

Leo Laporte (02:35:22):
Awesome. No click the events tab. Thank you, Lisa Georgia Dow. I am. So I honestly think your YouTube channel deserves to be known far and wide. What a creative, when you started at the, how is she gonna have time to do this? And you have found so many interesting ways to do this. I love it. That you're adding cost play. Great job on this. Thank you, therapist reacts. Yeah. Anything you

Georgia Dow (02:35:52):
Wanna it a lot of fun, like, like I'll just say it. I, I, I, I enjoy doing it. I like making the costumes. I like getting stop and, and being silly. 

Leo Laporte (02:36:01):

Georgia Dow (02:36:02):
I go too far. Yeah. Okay. Fine. Sometimes I go too far, but I, I really do enjoy

Leo Laporte (02:36:08):
It. It's really good. It's really good. And in the, in the, in the interim, you're kind of learning about yourself, about psychotherapy. It it's really a great eye idea. Youtube.Com/Georgia Dow of course, anxiety, still doing that. Do you still, do you practice still at all or are you still

Georgia Dow (02:36:29):
Busy? I do. I still, I still have three days that I, I see all of my clients. So I do three days of that. And then the other days I do the videos. So

Leo Laporte (02:36:38):
Georgia@Westmounttherapy.Com. If you wanna advice, if you're in the Montreal area, she'd be a good person to contact. Thank you, Georgia. Yep.

Georgia Dow (02:36:47):
And I do them remotely, so, oh,

Leo Laporte (02:36:49):
You do? Oh, nice.

Georgia Dow (02:36:51):
Well now most people are doing it

Leo Laporte (02:36:53):
Remotely. I think it's how we do it. Isn't it? Yeah. Come and think

Georgia Dow (02:36:55):
Of it. I think so. It's, it's no different. So I see people now all over the place.

Leo Laporte (02:36:59):
Nice. That really cool. As usual, we're gonna wrap things up by saying O and J J stone IQ, Raising a ninja. You just interviewed Jeff Jarvis. He took over the interview on that one. You took over the interview with, with aunt Pruitt. So I'm gonna let Owen take over TWiT, as we say goodnight. Thank you all for being here, Owen. It's all you.

Owen JJ Stone (02:37:30):
So I do have a bobblehead one. Actually. I, there you go from Wanda division. This is the only one I have that Bob. I found a Bob for your uncle. Leo is

Leo Laporte (02:37:39):
That Wanda? Who is that?

Owen JJ Stone (02:37:41):
Wanda division from Wanda black and white

Leo Laporte (02:37:43):
Wanda. Oh, Monica from Wanda. Yeah.

Owen JJ Stone (02:37:44):
Yes. That's how the show starts out. Yeah. My TWiT wife drifted do does an excellent job recapping that show. If you want to feel like you know something about mindsets and psychology, you watch those episodes first they're fan tab on wine division. Thank you. But today is a special day. First of all, I never promote myself in the show. If you watch the show, you know me, I don't care if you go check out what I do, whatever, but doc tails is back. I did interview Jeff jar. I just interviewed Jason, how I got Lisa Laport on deck. Leo's done a show back in the day. George's on there. Lot of new people coming on. I also do a sports show every week. It is Fantastics. It's called gritty. Nice. Get a Drake, come hang out. IQ. Z tech is now back where I rant and raved and I do a poor man's uncle Leo once a week, talking about the tech news on, on my own show.

Owen JJ Stone (02:38:31):
So IQ, all the links a lot. Go there and check it out. Now, after that, let me tell you something. We are coming out of a pandemic and they, and I have been alone for two years out in this world. Let me tell you something. When you come outta this world, there are a lot of people that you need to not contact again. Okay? So as much as you missed family members and friends, and I've told you to reach out to those people, love those people. You've also lost a lot of losers. Don't you pick them is back up. When this world starts opening up, some people need to left behind, do good for yourself. Leave the baggage behind, look for better things, better opportunities to better people. No one thing you cannot waste your time. You've already suffered two years of loss of time. Don't waste it out here with people that don't deserve or value you and your time be choosy, be care yourself. Treat I here in these streets. Now the world's opening up. OK. Focus on you and better people around you. I'm your boy. We did K AO doc. And as they say another is the K yeah. He's amen. Brother.

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