This Week in Tech 476 (Transcripts)
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It's time for TWiT, This Week in Tech. The show that
covers the big tech news and boy, it's been a big week. I'm still sleep deprived, waiting in line at the iPhone store for
hours and hours. Fortunately, all I have to do is sit back because we have one
of those panels where if I get a word in edgewise I'll be damn lucky. We're
going to start off with Jason Snell. Lately detached from MacWorld Magazine and IDG, nice.
Jason
Snell: Yep, I'm a
free agent, baby.
Leo: He's a free agent
at sixcolors.com, cleverly named.
Jason: Thank you.
Leo: I like it, I know what the six colors are.
Jason: Yeah, that's the
old Apple Rainbow. There is a great video about Steve Jobs-
Leo: Hey,
congratulations.
Jason: Thank you.
Leo: I'm really happy
for you, and I think this is good for you.
Jason: I'm having a good
time.
Leo: We'll talk about
what happened on MacWorld because I'm curious. John
C. Dvorak is also here. He still writes for print magazines.
John C.
Dvorak: Yeah of
course.
Leo: Are there some
left?
John: No. I still turn
them in though.
Leo: I think PC
Magazine in Brazil is still in paper.
John: No.
Leo: No?
John: No that's been
long gone, actually. I've got to turn this- How do I turn this on.
Jason: He's on live
stream, that's nice.
John: I'm going into the
chatroom so I can say hello. Anyways, good to be here.
Leo: Nice to have you.
John: Yeah and you've
got two of these iPhones.
Leo: Actually we have
four because Jason brought his too. And there's a bunch in the back.
Jason: Yeah we have many
iPhones.
Leo: And also here we
have Dwight Silverman from the Houston Chronicle. He's got his.
Dwight
Silverman: I have
mine.
Leo: You opted for the
little one.
Dwight: Yes, I played with
the bigger one and it's just too big. I carry my phone around in my shirt
pocket and the big one would be like this, right? So I'm trying real hard to
give myself breast cancer, so far I haven't done it but this baby ought to do
it.
Leo: Yeah, baby. No I
could keep this one in my breast pocket, even the big one but I'm used to big-
Dwight: It's just easier
to get to, I hate trying to get it out of my jeans you know?
Leo: I think it's dashing, it looks like a little pocket square. And if you
put the camera side out, people will run from you.
Dwight: You'll make people
nervous. Yeah.
John: I thought you were
going to get the black?
Leo: There is no black.
That's black front and gray back. And I actually thought the gold one was nice,
there was very constrained supplies when I- I was 41st in line at our local
Apple store. I got up at 3 in the morning and was shocked to see that there was people there since 8 in the evening or earlier the day
before. There were hundreds in line and that was the longest line I had seen in
quite some time. I think there was a lot of demand for this iPhone.
Jason: Yeah, you could
also order it online if you wanted to I mean I got mine delivered the next-
Leo: Now you tell me.
Jason: Well I had to wait
until like 4:30 in the afternoon like an animal.
John: Oh no, what did
you do between the morning and 4:30?
Jason: Set up a webcam so
that I could monitor my front door so I could be there the moment it arrived.
Leo: I actually got up
at midnight last Friday morning last week and I couldn't get into the Apple
store. I kept pounding it, and the Apple store was crowded. I gave up, went
from midnight to 1. I did finally go to Verizon, I got one from Verizon and I
got my mom one from Sprint. But I mean, it's fun to
get into the Apple line, you meet interesting people. It's a very diverse line
these days. A lot more-
John: I can't imagine
anyone more interesting than someone who had been in a line since Tuesday
waiting to buy a phone. That has got to be the most interesting people you've
ever run across.
Leo: Okay I'll give you
an example. I'm standing there talking to a guy when we find out we were Yale
classmates, Class of 1977.
John: That tells you
everything you need to know about Yale.
Leo: The guy worked at
MIT Media Lab, his mentors were Marvin Mensky-
2:Yeah I met Marvin.
Leo: Brilliant guy.
Seymour Papert, and Timothy Leary... I mean it was fascinating. But there
is a variety of people now in lines at Apple stores.
John: He probably spent
a lot of time with Leary, that'd be my guess.
Leo: Anyway, he
actually showed me his app he's working on, a very interesting AR app and we'll
probably have him on once it comes out. So but, I agree with you Dwight,
believe it or not. I thought I was going to want a 6+ because I've used giant
Android phones for 6 years but I kind of like the little ones. What do you
think Jason?
Jason: I bought- Well
I've got the review unit of the 6+ but- Knowing full well, having used both of
them... -I bought the 6. Yeah, I think there are people for whom the 6+ is
better for because it's got longer battery life, it's
got a bigger screen. Anybody who has vision problems, it has basically a large
print mode where you can scale everything up to where it's bigger, there isn't
more, it's just bigger. The camera is a little bit bigger. Like I said, the
battery life is a lot bigger. And for some people, two handed use- Which is
really what it's for. -Is fine. They don't use their phone one handed and they
can get by. It's not for me though. It's my understanding is that there are
parts of the world, especially in Asia, where a lot of people only have one
computing device and it's their phone. No tablet, laptop it's just their phone
and for them, they want that battery and they want that big screen. But the
thing that shocked me was that I was kind of hoping it would be like a mini
kind of Nano iPad, and it's not. It's a big phone.
There are a couple of iPad features-
Leo: What's the
difference?
Jason: Well there are a
couple of iPad features. It doesn't do a bunch of stuff that the iPad does. It
doesn't have those finger gestures and things like that, it's 16x9 instead of
4x3, which means you use it in landscape mode and it'll give you something that
looks sort of like an iPad interface but above the keyboard there's almost no
space for anything. Whereas, on the iPad it's a lot wider in that dimension. So
I don't know, it's a big phone.
Leo: It's just a big
phone.
Jason: If you want a big
phone and you want it to be an iPhone, you can do that now. I think for some
people it's going to be their favorite iPhone ever but I think it's going to be
a niche thing and not for most people.
Leo: It's funny how
they went from the smallest phone on the market today to having the biggest.
That's a big jump from 4 inches to 5 1/2 inches.
Jason: They saw how the
Samsung Galaxy Note sells, especially in Asia and they wanted to be there. From
Apple's perspective, I think Apple really believes that the only high end part
of the phone market that they don't rule on are these phones in sizes where
they don't have competitors and so from their perspective they're like, well
we're going to sweep in there and take those customers back from Samsung so
we'll see if that happens.
Dwight: Jason, does the keyboard on the 6+ do the thing that the iPad keyboard does where you
can split it into the two sides?
Jason: No, that's another
one of those features that just is an iPad feature but it's not in there. They
added some keys to the sides of the keyboard in landscape mode but you can't do
a split keyboard, which I think is a mistake because you've
got to really stretch your thumbs if you're thumb typing on the 6+, it
would be nice if it was split.
Dwight: Even on the 6, I
wound up having to rearrange my icons so that all of the apps were at the
bottom of the screen. I did that with folders on the second screen. And
actually, although when I hold the 5 now, it seems small. When I'm working with
this now, I kind of miss the smaller size. I almost wish that they made a 6
that was the standard 4 inch size. I think there would still be people buying
that.
Jason: So I have a
theory, this year they came out with these two new phones, the 6 and the 6+-
I'm not 100% convinced that the 5 in that size is just going to fade away into
oblivion. There's nothing that's going to stop Apple from updating that to that
size in the future. Maybe next year they might call it a 6c, who knows what
they'll do. I don't know if Apple is going to abandon that, they didn't update
it this year but I don't know if they're going to abandon the 4 inch size. If
you think about it this way, yeah it's not new but they have three sizes in
their iPhone line.
Leo: Yeah, they still
sell the 5s.
Jason: They still sell
the 5s and the 5c. So those phones are still available, they just didn't do new
versions of them this year.
Leo: Holly Wood in New
York Times said the iPhone 6 is too small and the iPhone 6+ is to big, she wishes there was
something in the middle.
John: What did she use
it for?
Leo: I don't know.
Jason: I think the 6
feels pretty good, it takes a little getting used to if you're used to and
iPhone 5. But I think the because it's thinner and because the edges are
rounded including the screen, the actual glass on the top is rounded-
Leo: Yeah it kind of
wraps around.
3:-It doesn't feel enormous. It feels different
but not enormous compared to the 5.
Leo: I actually think
4.7 is the sweet spot, I actually used a Moto X for a long time and it was a
4.7 and ergonomically, that's just about the right size. It's like as big as
you can get without it really feeling big.
John: I don't think this
thing feels that big.
Leo: This feels like a
little jewel box.
Jason: Dwight is
absolutely right, I've heard a lot of iPhone users- A
lot of users used to put their favoritest apps in the
dock and then their second favoritest apps in the
very top. And now the strategy is you put the stuff you like down at the bottom
where you're thumb is going to hit them, and then put
the less interesting stuff at the top. Of course, you can't place things
arbitrarily on the iPhone home screen. You got to load a bunch of junk at the
top and then push things down to the bottom.
Dwight: You can play the
chase around thing and kind of chase your apps around and get them where you
want them but it's a real pain.
Leo: 4 million iPhones
sold on Friday last in 24 hours. In pre-order the estimates I saw where 10
million phones on day 1 this Friday. 10 million, is that unprecedented? That's
a lot.
Jason: That's a record
breaker.
John: What are these things
shaking, see them shaking?
Leo: Yeah, you've never
used an iPhone before?
John: I don't care about
these phones.
Leo: I have to say, a
lot of people feel the same way you do, I mean, when you're in the Apple news
cycle, that's all you hear about.
Jason: Yeah, 'tis the
season.
John: It seems
obsessive.
Dwight: It is obsessive.
Leo: It's very
obsessive.
Jason: It is the single
most popular technology product.
Leo: Is it?
Jason: I think it is.
Leo: Rightly so, or not
rightly so?
John: Obsessively so.
Jason: Who am I to judge?
Leo: You've got to
admire Apple's marketing ability. It's impressive. There's
still lines at Apple stores. Saturday there was a line.
John: There's no reason
for that, that's just to get attention. I'm surprised the media keeps playing
it up.
Leo: Those are real
lines.
John: There's no doubt
about it, they're real lines. But it's not as though Apple could have planned
it and had all of these phones ready to go, shipped them over night and had
everybody's phones to them that morning.
Leo: What about this
Bloomberg Businessweek, Tim Cook cover. Andy Bio of Waxylinks things this is the ugliest cover he's ever seen. He thinks Businessweek is
slamming Tim Cook by using this, it's a free font, you can download it.
Jason: Comic Sans is too
classy for this cover.
Leo: That's pretty bad.
They've used an inner bezel, gradient from blue to yellow. Something said this
was a backhanded slam of Tim Cook from Bloomberg Businessweek. It's a very
positive cover story interview.
John: Somebody didn't
like him, they put that cover up like that. Figure no
one is going to read it.
Leo: It's become a
mean-
John: And look at this
picture of him out in front with a V for Victory hippy sign, that's bull crap.
Leo: People were saying
that after the Apple event, that this is now Tim Cook's Apple. That the ghost
of Steve Jobs has left the building- Actually it hasn't because Tim hasn't
touched Steve Jobs office apparently it's still the same as it was.
John: Well because
there's a ghost in there.
Leo: Nobody wants to go
in there. I think it's without a doubt that the iPhone 6 and Apple Pay and the
watch are Tim Cook's first products.
Jason: Since he took
over, Tim Cook has been the MC at these Apple events and yet, the September 9th
event, he gave the bulk of the presentation about the Apple watch, and then he
handed it off for Kevin Lynch for a demo but that's the first time he's ever
done that with a product and that's because that's his product. He wants to be
the one to usher that into the world.
Leo: Is that his product
or is that Johnny Ives product?
Jason: Well, it's a huge
team's product but I think that Tim Cook feels an attachment to this product in
a way that he didn't to those other products that he was rolling out because
they were in the pipeline and continuations of products that Steve Jobs had
worked on and I think that this one was much more personal to him.
Leo: Here is Andy Bios'
take on Tim Cook's Apple. He rethought some other magazine covers using this
crap font and here's the famous National Geographic picture with the #War Is
Hell.
John: I wonder, maybe
that Bloomberg thing is just cool,
Jason: Bloomberg did
release an animated GIF of it as part of it's press release so there you go.
Leo: Here's another
one.
Dwight: What does it do?
What was the animation?
Jason: The words just
kind of fell into place.
Leo: This is Jony Ive Design. Craig Gernell did this one for Bloomberg Businessweek. Here's
one, Picketty Mania Why Americia Has Wealth Inequality Fever. Something like one of
those teenage magazines. Carl marks his new crush, Sorry Dr. Doom. I like
these, some jabs at the design. So Tim Cook was actually giddy at the event.
John: He was only giddy
because he got to touch Bono.
Leo: Let's do it. It's
Bono by the way.
John: I thought it was
Boner.
Jason: Sonny Bono is
dead.
John: He was giddy
because of Bono, I tell ya.
Jason: Really?
John: Yeah, as soon as
he touched him he was all shaky.
Dwight: In all of the
photos after Beats where he was shown with all of these musicians he's just got
this glow to him like he just got let backstage. I think he is a music fan.
Leo: Alright.
John: I don't think he
was giddy about the products, he's been living with
them for God knows how long.
Leo: He might be giddy
because he is now officially-
Dwight: He gets to say,
this is what's mine.
John: This happened
before with Apple when Scully took over. You have to remember that when Scully
took over even though everybody blames him for all sorts of things, he took the
company 10x bigger than it was. They went from $800 million
a year to $8 billion a year. And then the board was irked about one quarter or
something and they basically rousted Scully and put a bunch of bone heads in
the company and that's what's going to happen again. That's probably what's
going to happen with this guy, he's going to probably carry the company for a
while and then irk someone, gets rousted, and then that's when you sell the
company.
Leo: John Gruber, who
doesn't have the best track record over the past couple of months, did pick the
iWatch for September is now speculating that there will be three levels of
iWatch prices. We know $349 is the starting point, he said that's the cheapest.
Expect to pay $1000 for the stainless steel model. Was it $4000 or $5000 for
the gold watch?
Jason: I think he said
that and then he said that he made a bet with somebody where the over under he took was 9999.
Leo: $10,000?
John: It's possible. If
it's solid gold it's not going to be cheap.
Jason: Rolex sells a
solid gold watch for like $35 grand.
Leo: That Rolex though,
you can hand to your grandson and it'll still work, but that iWatch is obsolete
in one year.
Jason: That is the
biggest problem I have with the super high priced ones.
John: You could melt the
gold down. Just take the iWatch drop it in the crucible and just let it bloop down.
Jason: Maybe if you have
so much money to spend on the Apple watch edition- I mean it comes with a lot
of things. It comes with a special leather box with a lightning plug on the
back that you can plug in and charge and I think it comes with multiple bands,
so who's to say it doesn't come with a replacement plan or they could swap it
out. Because I think the obsolescence thing is the biggest argument about why
you won't pay $5,000 for it.
John: Well the band will
slip off.
Leo: 18 karat rose
gold.
Jason: They say their
metallurgists have solved many problems involving gold. I talked to a guy who
works with metallurgists afterward and he was like well, that's just what
happens in this industry but I just thought that was the most Apple statement
ever. It's like, after 5,000 years, we have finally fixed gold..
Leo: We solved the
problems and consulted actual horologists.
Jason: Yes horologists
and metallurgists.
Leo: Unbelievable. It's
almost starting to feel like a parody of itself.
Jason: We were talking
about this the last time I was up here that there are these companies where all
of the parts leaks come from these companies that they replace the backplate with gold, or would and I do think Apple looks at
that and thinks, well why don't we eliminate the middle man? Why don't we just
make a gold whatever, the next step will they make a
gold iPhone at some point and eliminate those guys too? I don't know, but they
risk people really rejecting them, like being just for the super-rich.
Leo: I feel like a
$5000 watch.
John: What? No, they
are. They're going to sell a lot of those watches.
Dwight: Just like people
buy $5000 watches now, they'll buy a $5000 Apple watch, I think they'll sell a lot of them.
John: Every CEO in
Silicon Valley will buy one I bet.
Leo: I've got to tell
you, for Apple it's a very different focus than I think-
Jason: Although on one
level, it doesn't sound very different from the Apple that made the iPod HiFi because they were mad that Bose was making all of the
money from the sound dock or the reason that Apple sells cases now is because
they used to sell other people's cases when they would sell an iPhone and now
they sell their own and so they get to make that money too and it's a little
like that. Like look, we're going to make this really awesome thing, why
wouldn't we make a super expensive version of that and take all that money?
Leo: The Apple store I
went to had no third party cases lots of Apple cases. I then went to an
AT&T store lots of third party cases, went to a Verizon store and they only
had Apple cases. It's not that they couldn't get third party cases, they just chose not to sell them. I hear they have a leather one that's nice I haven't seen it but- Is that the leather?
Jason: Yeah, that's the
leather one.
Leo: It's nice.
Dwight: I got a $20
Griffin Reveal case at Best Buy, great case and it's the same one I put my
iPhone 5 and 4 in. $20 and it's worked great.
Leo: Yeah, how much is
Apple charging, it's like $60 right?
Jason: $49.
Leo: What do you think
John, you're our leather expert. He solved the problems with leather by the
way.
Jason: Interesting angle.
Nobody ever thought of that.
John: I have been a
horologist.
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Leo: You don't need the
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to happen?
John: There's probably some states that aren't valid. I went over to this Petaluma market,
and that is the grumpiest bunch of cashiers.
Leo: I go there every day
and you know I was just thinking of this, there's no turnover at that place.
Those people have been there for years.
John: That's probably
why they're so grumpy. They don't smile, it's just
horrible and their zombie-like baggers. If you check out the show, go to the Petaluma
market across the street and tell me I'm not right.
Leo: Meet the zombie
baggers.
John: They're zombies,
it's horrible.
Leo: So what is a
warrant canary? Apple's patriot act detecting warrant canary is dead.
John: Something
happened.
Leo: Something
happened. They do a transparency report, everybody does now.
John: It all started
after Tim Cook was on Charlie Rose, did you see it?
Leo: Yeah I did.
John: He said, it'd be over our dead body before we corroborate with the
government.
Leo: That's
interesting.
John: The quote was, they'd have to take us out in a box.
Leo: I've been telling
Tim and thank God he listens to me, I've been telling Tim for years, that
Apple's best market position is to say, we're the privacy company. We don't
have to make money on your information, we make money
on our hardware. And they've just now really started to pursue that as a
marketing angle.
Jason: The change in iOS
8 where they're not holding the keys anymore.
Leo: Perfect example.
Jason: They don't hold
those anymore so they can't give them to the government.
Leo: There's a long
queue of law enforcement officials asking for decryption of iPhones. There's a
whole process where you send an iPhone to Apple, it was a several month wait
but they would crack the iPhone and send you the contents and Apple is now
proud to say that is no longer possible, we've made it so that we cannot do
that. It's secure and I think that's smart of them and by the way it's very
clear that the jab is at Facebook and Google. He told Charlie Rose, we don't
have to sell your information, we don't even sell advertising, of course they do.
Jason: There's even a
little subset about iAd and about how it's walled off
from a lot of these things.
Leo: I think it's
fairly true-
Jason: Right it's a
differentiator for Apple.
Leo: One of the things
Apple did for their transparency report last year is they put a line in that
said, we have never received a section 215 request, that's the secret request
authorized by the Patriot Act for information that comes with a gag order.
John: That's specific
for business information, 215.
Leo: It says, we're
going to ask you for your information, you're going to give us that
information, and you may not tell anyone. Apple put in their transparency
report covering Jan 1-30, 2014, we have never received one. We, at the time
said that looks like a warranty canary. You don't say we've never received one
unless you expect to receive one at some point and what you'll do is you'll
take that out because you obviously cannot say it anymore. So it's happened
there is no warranty canary anymore in their transparency reports. I don't know
what that means big deal.
John: Well it means
something. The government is all on their case asking for your information.
Leo: Fascinating to see
that Yahoo was threatened with a $1/4 of a million a day fine for not
cooperating with the government a couple of years ago.
John: That's kind of an
expensive fine.
Leo: $1/4 a day over
refusal to give the data to the NSA. The company released 15000 documents from
a failed suit against the NSA over user data requests and cooperation with
prison complaints in those documents the information that they had been
threatened with a $1/4 million fine.
John: Of course a threat
is one thing.
Dwight: So Leo do you
think that if the government came to Apple with a phone and said here, we want
this decrypted and Apple said, we don't have the keys, we can't do it. Do you
think the feds would just accept that and walk away?
Leo: They'd want to
make sure that they couldn't but I think that's the point where Apple doesn't
want to be in that situation anymore so-
Jason: Right, at that
point it's up to the NSA to break the encryption, or find a bug.
John: Or waltzes through
the back door.
Leo: We actually have a
guy in our audience today that works for the FBI. John: They're coming for us! When I meet somebody like
that I thanked him because I'm very grateful to the Federal officials who are
doing their best to keep groups like ISIS out of the United States.
John: Oh my god, they will be
here any minute.
Leo: Those guys are scary.
John: Oh please.
Leo: You don't think that they
are coming for us?
John: Oh brother, where have you
been reading the wrong papers? Are you just shaking in
your boots because the ISIS people are going to be walking down the main street
in Petaluma?
Leo: I don't want those guys to
cut off my head?
Jason: They've threatened Twitter
employees.
John: We are not only fake, but
we have finally got to the Turkish drama where the exact same scenario took
place and we thing that it's the exact same. The whole thing was from
this Turkish broadcast.
Leo: I didn't watch it, so I
don't know.
John: Of course you didn't.
Leo: Did it look real?
John: No.
Leo: Oh. Was it real? Where is our FBI guy? He's hiding.
John: Well he's not going to say
one way or the other.
Leo: I wouldn't admit it. I guess that's my point,
because there is a tension on the point. On one hand, we want our privacy. As US citizens we don't want to be spied on. On the other hand we damn
well want to be protected. I know that you don't believe we are at any
risk.
John: I don't believe we are at
any risk.
Leo: I didn't want to put those
words in your mouth.
John: You did. I don't mind people writing
for me.
Leo: Are we at risk? We are not. What do you mean? Is it theater?
John: Yeah.
Leo: Okay, it's just a question;
alright.
John: These guys haven't got an
Air Force, they haven't got a Navy. They have got a bunch of Toyota trucks so the United Airline is
going to land over here in Petaluma. Most people that have a clue would
like to see these guys over here so that they could kill them.
Leo: That's true; if we knew
where they were. Alright, I'm sorry that I
brought it up.
John: And you should be.
Jason: It's like this every week. You keep inviting him back
so you know you are asking for it.
John: Because he knows how to
work with me. We work well together. It's like a team.
Dwight: I was going to mention
Rick Perry but I won't.
John: Rick Perry.
Leo: How's he doing? How's that law suit doing? Or the prosecution?
John: That thing was a fake.
Dwight: Well, you know, what he is
accused of doing is telling this prosecutor in Austin that if she didn't resign
he was going to veto the appropriation for the office that was investigating
some of his friends.
Leo: Right, I will just defund
the office and then I don't have to worry about it.
Dwight: The defense he is taking is
that he has the right to veto because he is the governor. The prosecution is saying
yes, but when combined with a threat it becomes something else. Right now it's just
posturing.
Leo: It feels like a lot of
politics frankly.
Dwight: It is a lot of politics,
but if he threatens somebody with a veto and his own friends, the appointees
who were being investigated by this group, there is probably enough smoke there
for an indictment. That's at least what the special prosecutor thinks.
The reason I brought up Rick Perry is that Rick Perry has implied that
ISIS is coming across the Texas border. There is even a sheriff in west
Texas that said they found Muslim clothing and Korans in the dessert.
John: Why would they be leaving
the Korans behind? That's some sort of
violation.
Dwight: Yes, or their clothing.
John: So we have a bunch of naked
Muslims roaming around south Texas.
Leo: The Koranless Muslims.
Dwight: They are looking for
reading material.
Leo: I just wanted to give
people a break from the iPhone.
John: The chat room just
suggested that we start talking about the 9er's game.
Jason: It's much less awkward this
way, yeah.
Dwight: ISIS versus iPhone.
Leo: Moving along, actually an
interesting story coming out of a company that specializes in tear downs and
understanding how the processor works in these things, Chipworks is their name. They are taking a look at
the a8 processor in the new iPhones and they say that this is not a new Samsung
part. IPhones have had Samsung parts in them since day 1.
John: Samsung was yeah, boundary
first.
Leo: Chipworks said that the a8 processor was fabbed at TSMC. That's kind of amazing. It has 2 billion
transistors in it.
Jason: Leo, this is a smaller
processor than the a7; it's 20 nm.
Leo: 20 nm process, and its 89
square mm with 2 billion transistors. I was more interested in that than anything else. That just blows my mind. But obviously Apple would
like to have at least a second source for chips, if not get out of Samsung's
pockets entirely. Samsung is a big company. The fact that they make
cellphones to compete with iPhones and the processor in another, that doesn't
mean much.
John: It does.
Leo: Does it?
John: Don't you think? You don't want the vendor
that you are competing with making your chip.
Leo: You think they will put a
bug in it?
John: Oh Jesus, I never thought
of that, but that's not a bad idea.
Jason: Apple hates being reliant
on anybody.
John: Especially a competitor.
Leo: But Apple doesn't own fabs.
Jason: Right, there are lots of
different parts that they don't own, but I'm sure that they are also talking to
Intel because Intel has said that they are willing to make chips for other
people too.
Leo: Right, the big arm chips.
John: Well, they've got those
huge fabs.
Jason: Huge fabs,
right.
Leo: Would Apple build? So a fab is a plant in
which you build the chips.
Jason: Right, right, Apple doesn't
own the factories that make the chips. They design the chips, but they don't own the factories where they
make them, they contract with somebody.
Leo: They are very expensive to
build. They are billion dollar
factories.
John: No, 5.
Leo: Five billion?
John: 5.
Jason: In all of those assembly
plants in Asia, mostly in China, that Apple uses; those aren't owned by Apple
either. Apple owns some factories but others they just rent out
essentially.
Leo: Obviously Apple would like
to own from beginning to end.
Jason: They want to control it. They want to control it.
Leo: I think they would like to
own it. I remember Henry Ford, the
big plant that he built in Dearborn, the box cars would come in with a rogue. The box cars would come in
with iron ore and that would come with Model-T.
John: Very similar to Foxconn by
the way. The iron ore company, they have their own, they smelt their own
steel; theirs and iPhone comes out of it.
Leo: I think that is how Apple
thinks.
Jason: It's funny, the sapphire
plant is apparently an Apple owned deal, but not the processor plants.
Leo: Are you surprised that
there was no sapphire on the face of this phone? Or is there?
Jason: Now that we know there is,
the Touch ID is sapphire and the camera on the back. Not when we hear that the
iWatch or the Apple Watch, 2 of the 3 models are going to be a sapphire screen.
John: So what makes such a big
deal about the sapphire? On your show it's oh the
sapphire, it's going to be sapphire.
Jason: People are excited.
Leo: It's a new material.
Jason: It's new and everybody is
tired of their phones cracking.
Leo: They stepped on it.
John: And then they didn't use
it.
Leo: And they didn't use it.
John: And then you had a piece
and you busted it and cut yourself.
Leo: Apparently it wasn't
sapphire. So Apple is using Gorilla
Glass you think still?
John: That's what it sounds like
when you tap on it.
Jason: It sounds like if it's not
Gorilla glass it's like Gorilla Glass.
John: It's got a certain sound
when you tap on it.
Jason: I'm not sure if Corning has
said whether this is Gorilla Glass or not.
Leo: They never do. In fact, I didn't know this
until I read the Walter Issacson biography, but
Corning had shut down the Gorilla Glass factories because there was no market
for it. Steve Jobs came to them and said I've got this thing I'm making,
and I would really like some very hard for it. So it was really Apple
that made Gorilla Glass happen. We are at third version, which is a
really strong glass. What do they call this, ion exchange?
Dwight: Ion exchange, yeah.
Jason: It's not unbreakable, but
it is way less scratchable and breakable then before.
Dwight: It's not Gorilla Glass? Is it or is it not Gorilla
Glass?
Leo: We don't know because Apple
didn't say.
John: It sounds like it when you
tap on it.
Leo: What is that sound?
John: It's that plasticy sound. Gorilla Glass sounds like plastic.
Leo: You are right. It doesn't sound like
glass.
John: It's actually slightly
softer than glass.
Dwight: Did you all see the video
of the drop test of both of these phones?
Leo: You mean the kid in Sidney,
Australia who got the first phone and was so excited?
Dwight: Not the first one, but the
drop test.
John: That he dropped it. That's an Australian for
you.
Jason: He dropped it but I don't
think it broke.
Dwight: No, this is a different
thing. There is a blog that goes
out and gets some of the first iPhones in Australia and they always drop them.
It's a drop test.
Leo: Yeah, I hate that.
Dwight: Except when they dropped
it, yes it broke, but it was the way that it broke that was interesting. The glass part separated
from the case. It cracked but it looked
almost like something popped up from within like the way a battery
expands.
Leo: Like a delaminated or
something?
Dwight: So it broke differently
than past iPhones. That's why I immediately
went out...
Jason: It that their new motto? Break differently.
John: Break differently. That's a good one.
Dwight: But if you haven't seen
that one then go look for that video. It's really interesting the way that it breaks.
John: You know, I know people with the broken glass 4s and 5s.
Leo: Oh god, everybody who has
had an iPhone has had broken glass.
John: And so you can get them
replaced. I tell people this tip. This is a tip for everybody
who has one of these little phones; if it's broken you and want to get it fixed
you can take it in to get it replaced and they will tell you no, but if you go
in with band aids on as though you have been cutting yourself on the glass they
immediately see it as a liability issue and they give you a brand new phone on
the spot. I know 2 guys who have done this.
Leo: Okay kids.
John: So band aids, but if you
really want to be cool then have blood on your hands.
Leo: Or your tongue.
Jason: Also a limp. Have a limp and like a
sling for your arm and just go all the way.
Leo: My iPhone killed me.
Let's see, Apple confirms that the NFC chip in this does nothing.
So that is nice.
John: What?
Leo: Well, it will only work for
Apple Pay, and Apple Pay is not available until October.
John: For now.
Leo: Well, for now. So you've got an NFC chip...
John: You were all in on Apple
Pay I bet you.
Leo: Me?
John: Yeah.
Leo: Well no. I like the idea, okay, I love the idea of not carrying a wallet just like the
Queen of England. I want to be like the
queen. I don't think that just
because Apple does it that it is suddenly going to emerge into the form.
We've been trying to do this for years.
Jason: I think that is the wrong
order though. I think that the reason
that Apple is doing it is because they think that this is a good time.
They are also replacing normal swipes with the Chip and PIN and so a lot
of...
Leo: That's true. By the end of next year
everything has to be Chip and PIN.
Jason: So this stuff is going to
turn over and it's going to have NFC built into it, and it's going to have this
built into it.
Leo: Your timing is right
because they have to buy new terminals.
Jason: They have got enough clout
too, that as a very large phone maker that they control the hardware, but I
think that it's timing more than like Apple's making it happen. Apple is helping it happen
maybe, but it's also good timing.
Leo: So if I'm a merchant I know
that I'm going to have to get a new terminal for Chip and PIN by the end of
this next coming year.
Jason: And it will have an NFC chip
in it.
Leo: And I'm for sure going to
make sure that it supports every form of tap and pay that I can get, which
means Google Wallet, Apple Pay, or whatever else there is.
Jason: Exactly.
Leo: Walmart and CVS have
already said that they are going to buy new terminals but it isn't going to
have Apple Pay in it. That's not good, but I
think that is because they already done a deal with somebody else, but early
on...
John: Early? For years and years the NFC
has been on these other phones.
Leo: But you see what Jason is
saying is that because Chip and PIN is coming that everybody has to buy new
terminals.
John: No, I'm agreeing with his
basic thesis, but it's not early to me.
Jason: Google had a hard time
because Google doesn't control their hardware partners and not all of the
phones still have the NFC. I think Apple will push it
along a little bit, and everybody who has got one of those NFC Android phones
will benefit too.
Leo: So prediction, by the end
of 2015 will we all be tapping and paying whether it is with our Apple Watch,
Apple phone, or Google phone?
John: No.
Jason: I think that it is going to
be more of a convenience because there are going to be places that won't take
it, right? It's just like now there are places that only take cash and
are just starting to use Square.
Leo: So you will still have to
carry your wallet.
John: I think that at some point
they will have to develop the bump and steal. Where you got the phone, and somebody
bumps you, and next thing you know is that you have got a payment.
Jason: You can't do that because
you have the Touch ID and stuff.
John: That's gotta be crackable.
Jason: When I run to Whole Foods
to buy some beer and peanut butter or whatever I might just take my phone for
that because I know that I can pay there.
Leo: Whole Foods will do it
because they already said that they are going to do it.
Jason: And if I forget my wallet
and just have my phone I will actually be able to buy something, which is nice,
other than scanning my card at Starbucks or something.
Leo: I have to say, I'm sure
it's purely psychological, you are right John that it's already not super
secure, but already, just the notion that I can touch my finger to this, my
bank for instance is using it to unlock the banking app, makes me feel better.
LastPass is using this and it makes me feel
better. It makes me feel like that is better than a PIN, right?
It's harder to reproduce.
Jason: Right, and what you can do then
is make your password something more complicated because you have to enter it
less frequently. I used to have a 4 digit
code on my phone and now I have a complex password because I only enter it when
I reboot. Otherwise I just use my phone.
Leo: So this is a good thing I
think.
John: We will see, won't we?
Leo: Alright, enough Apple talk. We are going to take a
break and when we come back we are going to talk about Kindle.
Dwight: There is a new one.
John: Yep.
Jason: Nice.
John: Yeah, I heard that.
Leo: I'm excited.
Jason: I'm excited too.
John: I haven't gotten it.
Leo: I ordered it immediately. I think that it comes out
in a month.
Jason: In a month.
John: Okay, you are going to tell
us why it is special then.
Leo: Yes. And a new kid's edition
that has a unique warranty. But first a word, I'm doing
it again; I'm teasing.
John: Yeah, just as if people
can't just fast forward.
Leo: You can't just skip this ad
and go right to the most interesting thing.
John: It might be better to slip
stream the ads a little smoother.
Jason: This is why you need to
watch live, because you can't skip.
John: Yeah, but it's only x
number of people.
Leo: Or maybe if I teased really
boring stuff.
John: No, no, no.
Leo: Because then people will
say, well I don't want to get there so I will listen to the ad.
Jason: Good idea.
Leo: Coming up we will show you
how to make chopped liver and onions with your iPhone; that's next. But first...
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way, we should point out that Amazon dropped the price on the Fire phone to
$.99 plus you get a year of prime and they still can't sell it. I have
one in the drawer. Do you want a Fire phone?
John: Yeah, I will take it.
Leo: Alright, I will give it to
you. $99.
John: I've got a dollar. I
will give you a keep it penny.
Leo: I will give you a dollar to
take it.
John: Okay.
Leo: Thank you.
John: You are making it better
every minute.
Leo: Yeah.
Jason: I will take it but you have
got to give me $2.
Leo: It's so sad because all
Amazon had to do is just make it a regular Android
phone.
John: It's kind of regular isn't
it?
Leo: No.
John: Isn't it very similar to an
Android?
Leo: No.
John: It's like they are going
off the deep end? It's like the Kindle thing?
Leo: It is, it's the same OS.
Jason: It's the Fire OS.
Leo: There's no Google Store. There's an Amazon Store and
it just...
Dwight: Leo, I'm going to be a
contrarian here. I like the Fire phone.
Leo: Really?
Dwight: Yes, I like the Fire phone.
Leo: Let me go get mine. You tell us why.
Dwight: I have a Fire TV and...
Leo: I have the Fire TV but I've
never hooked it up.
Dwight: The Fire TV is excellent.
John: Keep talking while he goes
and gets it.
Dwight: Amazon is doing something
different. They are building from
scratch what amounts to an ecosystem similar to what Android and Apple have. If you are an Amazon customer
and use their products a lot it is a great way to have a phone and it's a great
way to watch their streaming video. Actually, on the Fire TV, if you have
never hooked it up you should because the picture on it is excellent.
John: The Fire TV comes off the
phone?
Dwight: No, well you can do that, you can stream from the Fire phone to the TV, yes.
But also, the Fire TV connects to Amazon Prime and it also has a Netflix
app. The picture on it when the connection is good is better I think
than the picture on the Apple TV and certainly what I have seen on the highest
end Roku. It's a really good streaming box. This is version 1.0 for
both for Amazon and I would not discount them at all because as we see with the
release of these new Kindles they keep coming back and coming back.
John: What Roku box are you
using?
Dwight: The 3.
John: And you think this is a
better image?
Dwight: Right, it looks better. It has a better picture.
John: And it has the same bit
rate? Have you watched the bit
rate? You can turn on that little
feature that show you.
Dwight: You can't in the Fire TV,
but you can on the Roku. It just looks better to me. It looks much more HD to
me.
John: What do they sell for? Because I never thought of
it.
Dwight: $99.
John: Do they have the same
fundamental linkage like to Netflix and all of the rest?
Dwight: Yes.
John: I don't know how that
missed me.
Leo: I did hear that that
Firefly is going to be available in the Amazon app going forward. So that is the Fire phone,
it actually doesn't have the power on.
John: Well that looks nice.
Dwight: It's actually about the
same size, it's a 4.7 inch screen, so it's the same
size as the iPhone.
Jason: The software is kind of
weird.
Leo: If it had Android I would
say it's nice too.
John: What is this you've got?
What is this other thing?
Leo: Okay, so this is my
simulation of what they are doing with the Kindle for kids.
John: Oh, I thought that was the
next generation iPhone.
Leo: It's funny because you can
use it as a purse.
John: Bigger screens.
Leo: That's why they want Apple
Pay, so you can just use it as your purse.
Jason: So I was writing about
these new Kindles and somebody pointed out to me that they actually changed the
branding and only the new eReader is now called the
Kindle. All of the rest of them are
just called Fire.
Leo: Oh, there is no Kindle
Fire, it's just Fire.
Jason: Fire HD, yeah.
Leo: Interesting. So this is the new rubber
cased Fire. What I love about this is
that there are 2; first of all it's $149, 6 or 7 inch Amazon tablet, free
unlimited all you can eat kids content, and a 2 year guarantee that means they
will replace it even if the kid breaks it?
Jason: I believe so.
Leo: That's a pretty big selling
point for any parent. Now it's encased in rubber
like this.
Jason: Rugged. It's like what they use on
the top of telephone poles. It need to be that.
That rugged.
Leo: Still, there is always a
glass front that can be broken with an interment child.
John: Yeah, that's what kids are
for.
Leo: You know, that caught my
attention. My kids are 20 and 19, I don't think that they could want this.
Jason: Probably not.
Leo: I feel like this is
something if you had a 2 year old you would be very excited about, right? There is a family library
feature that means 2 parents and 4 kids can share movies and books. This is kind of like what
Apple has done with their family sharing.
Jason: They've got all of their
content deals. It's smart, this is one of
the things that I like about Amazon and these products is that they are defiantly Amazon products. They are not Android devices even though Android is powering them. They are using their
ecosystem and their library of content that they have got to power this stuff.
It's a really interesting idea.
Leo: And for 2 years...
Jason: And they are a $99 tablet
too.
Leo: Yeah, yeah.
Jason: It doesn't look like a
cheap tablet, they are decent.
Leo: I'm impressed. I actually am very
impressed. I was going to give this to
John to see if he could break it.
John: I could break it.
Leo: No you may not, never mind. They announced new readers
which are Kindles.
Jason: Yeah, the new reader is a
Kindle.
Leo: I bought it immediately.
Jason: I did too.
Dwight: One is very expensive, right?
Leo: Well, it's $200.
Jason: It's $200.
John: That's reasonable.
Jason: The Voyage.
Leo: The Voyage.
Jason: I think that Amazon
realized that there are people who love these eInk Readers. I am one of them. I saw a Tweet that said,
oh, new Kindle. I said, alright, order,
because I love them for reading books. This one is 300 dpi screen, so it's, you
know...
Leo: 300 dpi? Now we are talking up there
with the laser players.
Jason: Our buddy Andy Ihnatko went to the launch event in New York, and he said
that he did a double take. It's one thing to see a
backlit screen that is at the retina quality where you can't see the pixels,
but to see a reflective screen like an eInk screen at
300 dpi, he said his brain kind of couldn't wrap
itself around what he was seeing.
Leo: It's essentially the same
as a paper book.
Jason: It looks like you are
looking at paper except then you tap it. Now it doesn't have a button,
it's got a pressure sensor haptic. It's a button that doesn't move is
what it is so you can turn the page just by pressing the sides.
John: Well how is that different
than the Kindle Paperwhite? It's the same
thing.
Jason: No, Paperwhite you've got to tap the screen which is the thing that I liked least about the Paperwhite.
John: What are you saying?
Jason: You touch the bezel. You push on the bezel.
John: Oh, the bezel.
Leo: It's not white and black,
though. It's not black text on white.
Jason: You know, it's dark grey text on an off white background although they keep improving that
over time.
Leo: It's still a higher
contrast than before. Now, $199 means with special offers, you are going
to get ads. If you want it without special offers add $20. If you
want free 3G, the Whisper Synch over 3G, which I think is great. If you
are at an airport or you are driving around and you want to get a book you can
get that; that's another $50. I think this is a pretty compelling product
even though it is the most expensive Amazon Kindle in a long time.
Jason: There is an audience for
it. They are still selling the
cheaper eInk Kindles. In fact, there is one
below the Paperwhite now. It doesn't light
itself, but it is based on the Paperwhite and it's
got a touch screen.
Leo: $79.
Jason: You know, I went on a beach
vacation with my wife this summer and everybody had these eInk Kindles. That's where I see it, outside where it is sunny.
Leo: You can't read an iPad
outside.
Jason: Backlit glass displays are
not great in the sun.
John: I'm in total agreement. I love the Kindle. I think it is a fantastic
product. I use the Paperwhite, I don't know if I should upgrade to this or if
it's going to be that much better.
Leo: Are you excited about the
Fire phone? Do you think that is
something that you are going to want to use?
John: I might use it.
Leo: Yeah.
John: It's got a lock. It's locked though.
Jason: To AT&T.
Leo: To AT&T.
Dwight: AT&T, yeah.
Leo: It's an AT&T exclusive.
Dwight: That's one of the other
problems with this; it's only available with one carrier.
John: I think that is why it’s
not selling.
Leo: Well, a lot of people use
AT&T. They are the second biggest
carrier. Maybe the biggest now.
John: Does it have a CDMA radio
in it? I doubt it.
Leo: No.
Jason: I think Amazon's idea of
why people are loyal to Amazon maybe is a little misguided. It's
something where with their phone that people just don't think of Amazon as the
provider for that. I love Amazon. I've got lots of their products
but I would never use an Amazon phone, it's just weird.
Leo: I am loyal to Amazon
because of Prime. Pure and simple. I can get it in 2 days.
Jason: And they've got the video
streaming, which is nice.
Leo: It's okay.
Jason: But that's not the reason
you bought Prime.
Leo: But that's not why I bought
Prime. I bought Prime for second day delivery.
John: Free.
Leo: Free second day delivery. I mean, that is compelling.
Jason: Free with your purchase of
Prime.
Leo: $100
John: They lose money on that. They lose money on Prime
for a big user like yourself.
Leo: Great store. I think that I mentioned
this before, in DogFight, the book about Amazon and
Google and the battle I'm talking about. No, I'm sorry, I think it was in The
Everything Store, it was in the story of Jeff Bezos and Amazon. They
priced Prime just randomly basically. People came to Bezos and said we
don't know how much it is going to cost because you can't tell how much people
are going to use it. He said, we are going to make it $75 just by fiat, and
it turned out about right.
John: Yeah, that would be right.
Leo: They lose money but they
get a lot of sales, so...
John: Right, I think that is the
way a good entrepreneur does it. You don't study it or they
never would have rolled it out.
Leo: Yes, exactly. But I did notice that they
were raising it to $99. I still think that is an
elastic price point. We get so much value out of
it I'm willing to pay it.
John: We will see how many people
they will lose.
Leo: I am getting a free year
because I bought that Fire phone, so that was a good deal. You don't get
that, just the phone. I'm keeping the Prime.
John: Well that's a gyp.
Leo: You got something against
gypsies?
John: Now here we go.
Jason: Here we go.
John: That's a good one.
Leo: Amazon is the number 1
search advertiser on Google.
Dwight: That makes sense.
Leo: They spent $158 million on
search ads in 2013. I guess there is nothing to
say about that, it makes sense.
Jason: Yep.
Leo: Yep. Are you surprised Leo? Yep. They have added a new top
level domain name. This was kind of crazy, ICANN decided that if you have enough money you could
make up a domain name and it would be yours.
John: It's $250,000 I think.
Leo: Amazon paid 4.6 million
dollars for .buy and .tech...
John: They've got nothing but
money to throw away.
Leo: 4.6 million dollars for the
.buy top level domain. There was an auction,
that's why. There is a certain fee.
John: I think that you should buy
.twit.
Leo: I don't have 4.6 million. I don't know how much it
would go for.
John: I don't know, I think it is
$250,000. I think that was bid up.
Leo: Yeah, it was bid up. In fact, the one that sold
for the most was bought by a company called Dot Tech LLC. They got .tech
for 6.76 million dollars.
John: This was a great idea to
make money.
Leo: Who is making this money?
John: The ICANN folks I guess.
Leo: What is ICANN doing? Are they having big
parties to buy the dot?
John: That's what I would be
doing.
Leo: Dot Tech beat out Google, Uniregistry, new.com, Donuts, and Minds+Machines for this.
Jason: Did they say we will sell
somebody the .yacht domain if they buy us a yacht? Was there like a deal?
Leo: Yacht, I like it! So Minds+Machines having outbid for .tech bid 3 million dollars and got .vip.
Jason: Wow.
John: Jeez.
Leo: I guess they are a registry
and they probably figure, well, we will make it back by charging people $25 or
$50 a year to have leo.vip.
John: Who needs it?
Leo: That sounds like a good
domain name.
John: Yeah, leo.vip.
Leo: Somebody in the chat room
the other day said, hey, I bought leo.ninja for you.
Jason: Great.
Leo: Thank you.
Jason: That reminds me to buy leo.plumbing.
Leo: Leo.ninja is mine, all mine.
Jason: I did buy snell.zone the other week.
Leo: You did?
Jason: Just because.
John: What did that cost you?
Jason: Oh, you know, a good $15.
Leo: Hover has a ton of them.
Jason: Yeah I have a Hover
problem.
Leo: You have a Hover problem?
Jason: I do.
Leo: We need a 12 step for Hover
addicts. I wish they had bought an ad this week. I could do the ad
right now. Let me log on to my Hover and I will show you. Let's see
what I have here.
Jason: You should wait for them to
sponsor before you tell us all about it.
John: Someone in the chat room
says that some poor ninja actually named Leo is out in the cold.
Leo: He's going to say god
dammit.
Jason: Squatters.
Leo: Squatters, I hate these
squatters. I got verify.zone because I was thinking, and verify.rocks and verify.social, I was thinking of a new social network where
you have to be verified. I think I told you about that.
Jason: Yeah, verify.rocks or is that for a sight for where rocks are verified?
Leo: Rocks, and I guarantee this rock.
Jason: That is a rock.
Leo: I guess I didn't get any other, I have got to have some other. Oh, twit.agency, twit.careers, and twit.company;
I own these.
Jason: Twit.equipment, why? If the camera needs a
website?
Leo: Well, if we had to sell
off TWiT I could say go to twit.equipment for the big...
John: For the pieces, yeah.
Leo: Twit.expert.
Jason: That's thinking ahead.
John: Here is a table.
Leo: How about twit.watch?
John: Here is an old camera.
Jason: We had to go out of
business because I bought too many domains.
John: And then had to sell them
off.
Leo: We are selling them off!
John: But luckily you were
thinking ahead.
Leo: You know, I've got a Hover problem. You named it, that's
exactly what is wrong.
Dwight: 12 steps.
Leo: Let's take a break while I
register a few more.
John: Let's take a break while
the 49ers lose this game.
Leo: Oh, I'm just depressed. They are about to lose it.
John: They were ahead 14-0, or 14-6, and the next thing you know they lose
the game. They cannot score in the second half. They are like a
first half team now.
Leo: Well, I guess I'm going
home to cold hot dogs and to bed tonight.
John: Didn't you go to the
opening game?
Leo: I’ll tell
you what, let’s do right now; this was such a good week on TWiT,
I wanted you to just see some of the great moments.
John: What?
Leo: What? We
call it a how sad, take it.
John: I’d like
to see one of those.
[Voices]: Cam 3000, the future videopod, crank cam 3000. I don’t care anymore. Previously on TWiT, Tech News Tonight. Microsoft bought Mind Craft for $2.5B. It’s about gaining access to this
massive community of gamers and walk with them toward some of their other products. MacBreak Weekly: this YouTube thing seems to me to be
a fiasco. Does it qualify as a fiasco? Does this qualify as someone should get
fired from this? I think it’s embarrassing that Apple had to publish a page
that says oh here’s how you get rid of that. Triangulation: Our guest is
Lawrence Krause, physicist, author. I’m quite proud that the research I do has
no practical use whatsoever. Any more than a great symphony does or a beautiful
painting. Tech News Today: the iPhone 6 plus pocket. You’ve got to love this,
Jason, because it’s all the attributes of the iPhone that have been around in
the Android world for ages. Welcome to the world of large-format phones.
They’re actually pretty useful, don’t feel guilty about it. It’s okay. TWiT: now where did I put my iPhone? No, oh! That was not
the first drop test but it was the best…
Leo: So he
didn’t crack it? I thought he cracked it.
Jason: No, it
survived.
Leo: Hey, does
it sound plastic when you tap it?
John: Yea it
does.
Leo: Everybody
has it. There’s nothing special about gorilla glass. We got the week ahead, Mr.
Mike Elgin our news director. He’s going to be covering some big stories, Mike.
Mike
Elgin: Coming up this week, Blackberry’s announcing new products on
Wednesday, September 24th at events in Toronto, London, and Dubai.
We’re expecting the company to unveil the Blackberry Passport, which is a wide-boxy fablet with a physical
keyboard. Back to you, Leo.
Leo: So many
people have said, Leo, aren’t you excited about the Blackberry Passport? It’s
square, right? Or square-ish.
Jason: Jokers.
John: Those are
people that are just making fun of you.
Leo: Oh, you
think they’re pulling my chain?
John: Yes.
Dwight: It looks
like an onion thing. It doesn’t look real. It looks like a parody.
Leo: I wish no
ill to Blackberry. I had a Blackberry pager in the earliest days. I loved my
Blackberry. In fact, right up till the iPhone came out, I was a Blackberry
user. But I look at this and I think boy, is it pop tart sized?
John: It looks
like you could hurt yourself on those corners.
Leo: I will get
email from people who will say how could you be dissing the Blackberry?
John: You’re
going to get email from people no matter what you do.
Leo: You’ve
learned this in your long year.
John: Yea,
people hate you.
Leo: How do you
deal with that? Because you’ve always been a lightning rod.
John: I try to
be, yea.
Leo: And this
is part of your…
John: Try to be
annoying.
Leo: Not
annoying, provocative.
John: Yes,
exactly.
Leo: I think
that’s a fair…
John: Well
maybe, I try to bring up things that people ignore.
Leo: But you
must get hate mail. You must have been getting hate mail for the last 20 years.
John: I don’t
get as much I used to.
Leo: You want
to give out the email address in case…
John: john@dvorak.org, I don’t have a problem. I
get no spam and I also block people. I have a system where it’s Mark Burkell’s email system, ctyme.com, and I think it’s a good
email provider.
Leo: And all
the mail goes through there and his spam filter’s been very effective for you?
John: Very good,
yea.
Leo: And here’s
the John C. Dvorak, I’m getting the spam logo. That comes from maybe a 2006
episode of TWiT.
John: Before
that, I think.
Leo: 2005
maybe.
John: When did
you start?
Leo: 2005.
John: Definitely
2005.
Leo: I get no
spam!
John: So I don’t
care. I put my email address in here, it doesn’t make any difference.
Leo: By this
time if they don’t have your email address…
John: Well I get
people that can’t find my email address. It’s like, just Google it.
Leo: I get
people who tweet me and say whatever happened to you, Leo? Do you do anything
anymore? I was a fan of the Screensavers and I just lost track of you. Are you
around anywhere? Are you working; are you doing anything?
John: I really
liked it back in the day when you were doing something.
Leo: Are you
doing anything?! There is a little concern in the Android world. A
cross-website flaw, browser flaw, it’s not in the Chrome browser that currently
comes with Android distributions. But so many Android users, about half, still
use pretty old versions of Android and they’re vulnerable to this. You have to
be using the original Android browser that used to come with Android phones.
They call it the AOSP, Android Open-Source Platform browser. And it allows malicious
sites to inject JavaScript into other sites which means they can read cookies, password fields, submit forms, grab keyboard input. It’s
a very bad bug.
John: Which
version of Android are we talking about here?
Leo: It was
changed in 4.2. That’s pretty recent. Anything prior to 4.2;
now you can fix it very simply by just not using the AOSP browser and just use
Chrome. However I think there are still parts of the browser embedded
into web views in other applications so you have to be careful about what
applications you use.
John: Can you
delete that browser in the older version of Android?
Leo: Well you
need the functionality. It’s just like Internet Explorer in Windows. It’s used
to render web pages and email in other programs. So I don’t think you can just
kill it.
John: I’ve never
heard this.
Leo: Android
browser is actually around half of Android users are still in pre-4.2.
John: Yea, if
I’m in 4.3 which is…
Leo: You’re on
Nexus 5.
John: Well
actually it’s not, it’s an older one.
Leo: Is it a
Nexus 4, 3, 2?
John: It’s a
Galaxy.
Leo: Galaxy
Nexus, well that’s pretty old.
John: It’s a
very old, has 4.3. Look, there’s not a scratch on it. I keep my keys in the
same pocket. This phone is built to last. This was the last great Nexus phone.
Leo: I love the
Nexus 1, which was its predecessor. It had a little trackball.
Jason: The
original one.
Leo: Yea, the
original Nexus.
John: That old
crummy one.
Jason: That was a
great phone.
Leo: No, it was
one of the most elegant, beautiful phones ever made.
John: It as a
clunker.
Leo: Alright,
okay fine. You have your Nexus.
John: Look,
check this out. Look at these two phones side by side.
Leo: They’re
the same. He’s showing you that this is Galaxy Nexus. That’s the Fire phone.
All phones are basically black slabs.
John: Yea, what
difference does it make? Why are people buying new phones?
Leo: Oh,
because this black slab has more black.
Jason: How much
blacker could it be? The answer is none more black.
Leo: Better
black. Now you have a Fire phone too. Users of Android 4.0 and up and switch to
Chrome, Firefox, or Opera. You want to be careful about other third-party
browsers because they may be using that AOSP code. Google has offered the
following statement to Peter Bright at Ars Technica: we have reviewed this report and Android users
running Chrome as their browser or those who are on 4.4 Plus,
are not effected by earlier versions of Android. We have released patches. So
you’ll want to make sure you’ve got those patches. It’s a serious flaw.
Speaking of Android, the new Moto X is, well preorders began last week. I’m
getting my leather-bound Moto X on Friday. I’m very excited about that.
John: You going
to stand in line? Oh wait, there’s no place to stand in line, never mind.
Leo: No,
there’s no store. Isn’t that amazing?
John: It doesn’t
surprise me.
Leo: I’m
getting an unlocked version.
John: That’s a
good thing.
Leo: You can
tell me this, when we were in line at the Apple store, they said we have no
unlocked phones. I said what about the T-Mobile phone? And the Apple guys, and I talked to several of them, said no that’s locked
T-Mobile. That’s not, right?
John: They were
lying to you.
Jason: Right but
it may be a variation that doesn’t have all the frequencies. So it might not be
able to do…
Leo: So there
are different SKUs of the iPhone 6?
Jason: That was
true of the 5. I’m not quite sure if that’s true of the 6 or not. But it looks
like the T-Mobile phone might not work at speed on a different LTE network.
Leo: The other
thing I found out that I’m excited about; this is a Verizon iPhone 6 and once
again the SIM lock is unlocked.
John: It’s CDMA,
though.
Leo: No.
Jason: LTE
requires the SIM.
Leo: So I can
put…
John: But the
phone itself is CDMA if it’s Verizon.
Dwight: The
calling part of the phone is CDMA.
John: That’s
what I’m saying. Nobody uses the main calling part of the phone… I’m completely
in alien territory here.
Leo: I put a
T-Mobile SIM in this, I was able to make phone calls.
John: What?
Leo: It’s been
that way for at least the last two years. The last two generations. So there is
an unlocked Apple iPhone from Verizon. If you’re traveling, this is a good
choice. It’s Verizon CDMA and LTE. Are they using voice-over LTE yet? They will
soon but I heard no.
Dwight: They
started switching it on in some markets.
Leo: And then
when you travel as I will next week to London, I’m going for the iTunes
Festival. I’m very excited. Going to see Blast of the
Flamingo.
John: You’re
going all the way to London…
Leo: I’m so
excited. Actually program note, this show will begin one hour earlier next week
at 2pm Pacific, 5pm Eastern time.
John: You’re
taking off right after the show?
Leo: I have a
flight to catch. I’m going to run out the door right after the show and fly to
see Blast of the Flamingo.
John: So can’t
you see them cheaper than a flight to London?
Leo: We’re
going to London for vacation. But I will be seeing the last day of the iTunes
Festival, I’m very excited.
John: What is
the iTunes Festival?
Jason: It’s the
music the kids are listening to these days.
Leo: John, John,
John. Apple does this every year.
Jason: It’s a
bunch of people that get together and download music.
John: Is Bono
going to be playing?
Leo: Bono won’t
be there. As will 50-Cents. I think you’ll enjoy…
John: It’s a
kid’s festival.
Dwight: Have you seen
the Robert Plant performance on iTunes?
Leo: I haven’t.
Dwight: It’s
wonderful. The guys still got it. It made me buy his album when I saw it last
night.
Leo: He was
fabulous with what’s her name… Allison Krause. It was a great album.
Dwight: Well he’s
really into world music and all different kinds. So you have Apple TV, it’s on
there, the full performance. Twelve songs, he does a really interesting version
of Whole Lotta Love that Lind’s in Bo-Diddly Love. And it’s really a great performance.
Leo: Almost
over now, but Dead Mouse kicked it off, Beck was there, Tony Bennett.
John: Tony
Bennett.
Leo: You’ve
heard of him?
John: Yea.
Leo: Placebo,
Elbow.
John: Elbow?
Leo: The kids,
they got wacky. Pharrell, you know Pharrell Williams. Maroon 5.
John: So you’re
going to check out some of the bands? You’re going to be dancing; you going to
be taking some E?
Leo: Yea, I’m
going to take some E. Or is it X?
Jason: Vitamin E
is what he’s talking about.
Leo: I’m into
Molly. And I’m going to see this guy, Kenny Rodgers. No, that’s not Kenny
Rodgers. That’s Placebo Domingo. He’s an opera singer, you know.
John: Yea, I’ve
heard of him.
Leo: Looking
forward to that. So that’s just a program note.
Jason: So you’ll
go to; when I was in London I went to the Three, which opera is prepaid.
Leo: And pop a
SIM in there and unlimited data for 30 pounds.
Jason: Yea, it’s
a great deal.
John: For how
long?
Leo: For a
month. But you have to have an unlocked phone. So I was very pleased. And I
didn’t know. There was a rumor that Verizon would be locking the SIM slot.
Somebody told me on Twitter, and I don’t know if this is true, the FCC
prohibits them. It was some sort of…
Jason: I think
these locking things are silly at this point. Because you’re in a contract and
you have to pay to get out of it.
John: What
difference does it make?
Jason: Really it’s hurting savvy people who don’t want to pay…
John: Well it
actually saves them money because people can unlock their phone after the
contracts over. But it’s a rigmarole that costs them time and money to do. Just
leave it unlocked, make them sign on the dotted line, and you’re good to go.
Leo: Actually
and I don’t know what carrier he represents, but a listener heard that I was
going to London and they’re going to drop off a Mi-Fi
card as well. So we’ll have Wi-Fi as well.
Jason: You’ll be
all wired up. It will be like you never left home.
Leo: But, I
thought I’d also bring the Moto X.
John: You might
as well bring 10 phones.
Leo: I got the
complete set, so I got the Moto X with leather.
Jason: You want
the Fire phone back?
John: You should
get somebody to make a leather pouch that lets you hold all these phones.
Leo: It’s the
cognac leather back. And then I got the leather back on the Hint.
John: What’s the
Hint?
Leo: It’s like
the Scarlett Johansen earpiece that goes in and you talk to your phone through
it.
John: A
Bluetooth device?
Leo: It’s a
Bluetooth device designed for the Moto X so it has some additional features.
You don’t have to touch it. You just have to say Charlize, and it will respond
to you.
John: Yea,
dialing mom.
Leo: You’ll
look like an idiot but that’s okay. And it only has I think three hours battery
life.
John: Well you
have enough phones on you it’s not going to be a big deal.
Leo: Can I get
a utility belt or something like a Batman thing.
John: When it
goes dead, you just grab the next one.
Leo: The Moto
360, the round Moto 360.
John: They
should lock you up.
Leo: I’m a
little disappointed that you have to use a Pebble watch with the iPhone. That’s
the only watch that will work with the iPhone.
Dwight: Right now.
Jason: Working
great with iOS 8. Very nice. They updated their other
software for iOS 8 and it works well.
Leo: Awesome.
Let’s see. That’s that, Android browser flaw. Google launched phones in India.
The Android One phones for $105.
John: That’s
kind of high.
Leo: It seems
like that’s not cheap.
John: No, that’s
too high.
Jason: It’s
unsubsidized but still.
John: You can
buy a phone for $100 that are pretty useful.
Leo: Supports
seven local languages and offline YouTube playback.
John: That’s
different.
Dwight: Leo,
what’s not on your list and I’m kind of astonished it’s not here, is Larry
Ellison quitting Oracle.
Leo: Oh my gosh, I forgot that.
Dwight: It’s not
on the list.
Leo: So let’s
talk about it when we come back. Larry Ellison exits Oracle. He’s the last of
the grand horsemen of the computer era. Well you’re one of the horsemen. I
think John may be a horsemen.
John: No.
Leo: There was
Gates, there was Jobs, there was Nolan Bushnell. I
don’t know.
John: You don’t
even know.
Leo: I don’t
know who they are. On your right, that’s why I’m going to tell you who they are
when we come back. The Mount Rushmore…
John: Weren’t we
talking about the 9’ers on the last day?
Leo: We’ve
pulled the TV away.
Jason: The game’s
over.
Leo: I’ve
stopped watching.
John: You should
just give up on these things.
Jason: You should
renounce football.
Leo: I renounce
football in all its forms.
John: I liked it
too. I think renouncing football is a good idea.
Leo: I have to
admit on the bus home after the last game, because we took the bus, beautiful
stadium by the way…
John: They
haven’t won a game in it.
Leo: Well
you’re right they haven’t won a game there. I did strip my Colin Kaepernick jersey right off of me and give it to a homeless
guy.
John: No you
didn’t.
Leo: I said and
you be number seven.
John: Nice try.
Leo: Our show
today bought to you by… no I didn’t.
John: I know you
didn’t.
Leo: Because
I’m not a fair-weather fan. What are the 9’ers colors anyway?! No, I know that.
I was wearing my puffy gold jacket, too. My throwback puffy
gold. That’s my rapper name by the way, Puffy Gold.
John: That’s a
good name.
Leo: They had
Snoop Dog at the half-time show.
John: What was
he doing there?
Leo: He sang!
John: What was
he singing for?
Leo: What was
he singing, his big hit: the bark stops here. No, it wasn’t that. What’s his
big hit?
John: I don’t
know.
Leo: Woof woof.
John: We don’t
know. Nobody knows, nobody cares. Did you have
parachute pants, somebody in the chat room asks.
Leo: Snoop was
good. It was kind of a different half-time show. It was alright, it was good.
John: I would
have been very bummed out by that particular blunt game.
Leo: I’m going
to call myself Puff Goldie but next year it will be P-Goldie.
John: P-Goldie,
yes! We’re going to have to stop now.
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like Google Plus. I don’t understand why they would go to all this trouble and
then just…
John: That’s
what they do.
Jason: I think
they’re admitting that they let their corporate strategy beat out good user
experience. Like shoe-horning too much into it. They just assumed everything
Google was going to run through there, people haven’t
embraced it like that. And it’s crippled some of their other features. Like
Hangouts was a really great feature and yet it was extremely confusing on how
to use it. Because it was so intertwined with Google Plus and since pushing
them apart a little bit, it’s improved Hangouts. I bet there are people inside
Google saying why do we have to do it this way. And
finally they backed off.
Leo: So Larry
Ellison, stepping down at Oracle. Mark Hurd and somebody named Sassafras are
now co…
Dwight: Safra Catz.
Leo: Sassogas, what? Safra Catz, sorry!
Jason: Cats are
running Oracle now? A herd of cats?
Leo: The CEO
that was forced out of HP…
John: For being
a sexist guy. In this day and age of…
Leo: What was
he, I can’t remember the details.
Dwight: He came in
and he was the cleanup person behind Carly Fiorina. And then somebody had to
come in and clean up behind her. There was a sexual harassment suit. He hired
somebody who basically was there to kind of be his hanger-on. And he was
accused of harassing her.
Leo: And I
remember Larry Ellison at the time, when I heard he was fired, saying that was
the stupidest thing I heard. I’m going to hire him.
John: And the
next thing you know he’s taking over the company.
Leo: Next thing
you know he takes over the company, so you know Larry was serious.
Dwight: Hurd was also
the CEO while all that stuff with the pretexting with the Board was going on.
Leo: Right.
Dwight: So there’s
that as well.
Leo: Hurd will
run Sales, Marketing and Strategy. Safra Catz will be Chief Financial Officer and oversee legal and
manufacturing operations. Ellison of course is not leaving the company. He’ll
be Chairman of the Board replacing Jeff Henley who’s going back to his career
at the Eagles. He’s also going to take on the title of…
John: The
Eagles?
Leo: Yea, Jeff
Henley of the Eagles. Alto, California. It’s not that
Jeff Henley?
John: I don’t
think so.
Leo: He’s also
going to take on the title of Chief Technology Officer. Now he is 70 years old.
He’s a vital, good looking man for that age.
John: Ellison?
Leo: Ellison.
Dwight: He’s Tony
Stark.
Leo: Is he Tony
Stark or is Elon Musk Tony Stark?
John: Musk is
Stark.
Leo: Larry
Ellison, one of the richest guys in the world.
John: He gave up
on trying to catch Bill Gates.
Leo: The company Oracle has a capitalization of $185B annual revenue
of $38B. This is big iron databases. Wow. Is it a good product?
John: I can’t
afford it.
Leo: It’s dominate, I guess at that price. So, is he not like
Bill Gates? Like Steve Jobs? One of the guys, he founded Oracle in 1977 and has
ran it ever since.
John: He’s
always big iron though, he doesn’t count as…
Leo: He’s an
enterprise guy.
John: There’s a lot of enterprise guys. You wouldn’t call John
Akers for example some founding father of the computer revolution.
Leo: Gina Smith
worked with him and was very close to him. I can’t remember if she worked on a
book with him.
John: No, Net.
Leo: She
founded Net Inc. which was a thin-client computer, CEO.
Dwight: He was a
big champion of dumb terminal will run our software, which ultimately has
become cloud computing.
John: Which is
why I think he was always annoyed with the term cloud computing because it’s
like he’s been playing that game all along and then this comes along.
Leo: There’s a
difference between client-server computing and cloud computing.
John: Is there
really now?
Leo: I think
so. I think a cloud computer is still a computer with a CPU, its own storage
and memory, but data is synced and stored in the cloud.
John: Google ChromeBook.
Leo: That’s
more like a thin-client, I agree. But it does have its own CPU. The processing
power is…
John: There
hasn’t been a terminal made since 1980 that doesn’t have a CPU in it.
Leo: Well but
how much of a CPU. Usually it’s just enough to communicate with the cloud. This
thing is a full-blown computer.
John: the ChromeBook.
Leo: But you’re
right it’s much more like a thin-client than anything else.
John: I think
it’s the same thing. Just repackaged.
Leo: Larry owns
the island of Lanao. He bought that in 2012.
John: It’s a
leper island.
Leo: Lanao is
where Bill Gates got married, right? It’s not like Larry’s going to build his
super-secret lair.
John: It comes
up and down and James Bond…
Jason: It’s not
secret if he tells everyone about it, Leo.
John: He only
bought it because Gates got married there and he said I’ll up the ante on Bill.
Leo: Turns out
he’s going to build hotels there and it’s going to be very lucrative. It’s a
business decision. Sounds better when you say he bought his own island like
he’s going to live there.
John: A lot of
people own islands. A lot of these super rich guys, they love to own islands.
It doesn’t surprise me.
Jason: There’s
some mud out in Petaluma River that’s available.
Leo: I want an
island!
John: Yea, and island is the next stop for Leo.
Leo: What’s a
good price on an island?
John: Doctor Evil’s
island. You can buy Red Rock Island over here off the San Richmond Bridge for
$5M.
Leo: That’s not
bad.
John: No it’s
not that bad. It’s always been for sale and nobody ever wants to buy it.
Leo: That’s a
little more than this building. And this one’s for sale.
John: What are
you going to buy this building?
Leo: No I want
to buy Red Rock.
John: Red Rock
Island?
Leo: We’ll
build on Red Rock. Is there any internet on Red Rock?
Jason: No.
John: Yes,
wireless. Yea, you got wireless internet.
Jason: Larry is
worth $46B according to the Bloomberg Billionaire’s index. He also built and I
think Gina told us about this, the Japanese-inspired home. She said it’s
beautiful in Silicon Valley.
John: They won’t
let you in. I’ve been to his apartment in Pacific Heights.
Leo: Really?
John: Yea, and it’s pretty aesthetic.
Leo: And he’s a
yachtsman. He competed in the America’s Cup.
John: Used to.
And he still runs the boats.
Leo: He
sponsored the team that won, I think. He’s a rich guy.
John: Rich guy
showing it off. Flaunting it.
Leo: If I were 70 and that wealthy, I think I might retire. What are
you going to make more money?
John: I think
you should go for it.
Leo: Some say
according to San Francisco Chronicle’s website, the SF Gate, that it’s not in
fact, he’s not really stepping down.
Jason: Well he’s
the Chairman and he’s got these co-CEOs. So he’s obviously in control.
Leo: Chief
Technology Officer sounds like he’s still very much involved.
Dwight: But why do
this at all? If he’s still involved, I think there are other ways he can…
John: Publicity.
Dwight: He’s
winding down.
Leo: Mike
Wilson wrote the book the Difference Between God and
Larry Ellison: God doesn’t think he’s Larry Ellison.
John: Classic! A completely classic line.
Leo: That’s the
name of the book. He says you can give him titles or take away titles, but
Larry will have a profound influence in that company for a while to come. I
doubt there’s a founder with more power, even Mark Zuckerberg, than Larry’s
managed to maintain.
John: Mark’s
pushed around by a bunch of people.
Leo: Is he?
Larry only gets a $1/hour salary.
John: That
always annoys me. It’s like a scam.
Leo: And, 7M
shares of stock!
John: That way
he can avoid taxes. I’m telling you, I’m advocating wealth tax because if a
wealth tax goes into play, these guys who keep saying they want to be taxable…
Leo: I only
make a buck!
John: Well, it
doesn’t make any difference with the wealth tax.
Leo: And the
government still takes half of it. It pisses me off, 50 cents this year I paid
in taxes. Ron Enderle says he’s the highest paid
person in the valley. And that he thinks this is all stage managed to make
investors who are mad at his, in fact very high salary, calm down. The big
investor group, says Enderle, are having a cow for
how much he’s making. And how badly Oracle was doing.
Jason: Well if
Ron Enderle says it, you don’t believe the opposite.
Leo: I think it’s Ron, it says Ron here.
Jason: They’re
just trolling Ron Enderle now. It could be Roy Enderle soon.
John: I think
Rob’s got a very good take on some of this stuff.
Leo: Really? Because he’s kind of famous for being…
John: He’s
famous for being quoted.
Leo: He’s
quotable.
John: Yea,
because he’s got a phone, every phone goes right to him. You can always get a
hold of him. And he says what do you want a quote for?! That’s how he answers
the phone. And then you say anything you want and he’s got a zinger.
Leo: That’s a
good gig. He started Oracle in 1977 with just $2000.
John: That’s
what he says.
Leo: In his
pocket. Did he write the database or just…
John: Not that I
know of.
Leo: What is
his skill-set? Is he a salesman?
Dwight: He’s Tony
Stark.
John: Well
definitely a lot of sales skills. And schmoozer.
Dwight: Although
he’s the CTO, so he must hopefully have some kind of technical background.
John: It’s like
Bill Gates, it’s questionable whether he knows
anything; how the database even works anymore.
Leo: If anybody
gets his brain in a jar, it’ll be Larry Ellison.
Jason: Like lots
of people get their brains in a jar!
John: Futurama! That guys going to be the
president in 3000. The guy with the brain the jar. I got your brain here, Ellison! In a jar!
Jason: That is a
strange way to compliment someone, Leo, really. The strangest I’ve ever heard.
That guys a real jar-brain-guy, if you know what I mean.
Leo: But he has
his brain in a jar. I think I’m punchy still from staying up all night through
the iPhone. As long as I’m on the San Francisco gate, this is a story. Now I
know John will have an opinion on this but apparently the taxi industry is just
dying in San Francisco because of Uber and Lyft.
Jason: San
Francisco, the city that has the worst served by its taxi.
Leo: It was
terrible.
Jason: Big
surprise that somebody found an alternative.
Leo: The number
of taxi trips plummeted 65% in 15 months according to the San Francisco
Municipal Transportation Agency. That’s a big slide.
Jason: Yea.
Leo: The
average number of rides per taxi in March 2012 was 1,424 a month. And it’s down
to 500.
Jason: I feel bad
for the cab drivers whose livelihood is affected by this. But this is an
example of a city that was not served well. There were never enough cabs. The
way they sold the cab medallions, it was all this kind of artificial restraint.
Nobody wanted to change. And the fact is San Franciscans were just tired; you
could never rely on a taxi in San Francisco. And they’re tech-savvy people. And Uber and Lyft came in and
people embraced it because they can get a car. So I feel bad for the taxi
drivers. But this is an example of a market that was terribly served by
traditional taxies and people got an alternative and took it. It’s not
surprising at all.
Leo: Many cabs
now have electronic handling apps similar to Uber.
Jason: Yea, I was
in Portland and they used to have what’s called Taxi Magic which is now called
some Bumper, something…
Leo: I don’t
want to have a different app for every city. I guess if I live in San
Francisco…
Jason: Right, but
if you’re in Portland you get that app and use it. And that worked great.
Actually it worked just as good as something like Uber. But in San Francisco it’s just been a very backward
taxi culture.
Leo: Well this
is another example of technology replacing something that wasn’t working. I
feel kind of bad. The NFL made a deal with Microsoft saying that everybody in
NFL will use Surface tablets during the game.
John: And they
use them at all the preshows.
Leo: And
they’re in these special blue rubber things that says Surface on the handle. Unfortunately the TV announcements keep calling them
iPads.
Dwight: That’s a
great story.
John: That
should’ve been in the contract because the NFL does a deal with the TV
networks. And they should have put in the contract. They start doing that then
you’re not getting this money. They didn’t do that.
Leo: One Fox
commentator, John Lynch told viewers the New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees was not watching movies on his iPad during a game. He
said players had iPad-like tools.
John: Well
that’s a fact.
Leo: Trent
Dilfer on Monday Night Football wondered how long it took Cardinals assistant
head coach Tom Moore how long it took him to learn how to use the iPad. And on
Sunday’s game between San Diego Chargers and Seattle Seahawks, a local
television announcer balked when told the teams were using Surface devices.
What? He said I thought it was an iPad.
John: Well the
problem you’re going to run into if they keep calling everything an iPad that’s
a tablet, is that Apple’s going to have to stop them from doing it. Because they’re going to lose their trademark. It’s public
domain if you do that.
Leo: And then
they all will be iPads.
Jason: Like
Kleenex.
Leo: Microsoft
paid $400M to be the official sideline technology of the NFL.
Dwight: That’s the
problem right there.
Jason: It’s this
weird divide though where you can’t tell the announcer to use, it’s like
product placement. The announcer can say whatever they want.
Leo: They could
call it a tablet.
Jason: Probably
somebody should advise them that those aren’t iPads and they shouldn’t say
that.
Leo: The tablet
police. Actually a lot of people are saying good things about the Surface Pro
3. It seems to be selling very well. They may have turned it around with the
Surface Pro 3.
Jason: I don’t
know about selling. But I do know people like…
Leo: It’s sold
out in many markets.
John: They bring
ten into Cleveland and they sell them out! Sold out!
Jason: That was
just the shipment for the Browns.
Leo: Yea, for
the football team.
John: We see no
evidence of this.
Leo: They’ve
lost a lot of money.
John: Where’s your
Surface? Because you buy everything that comes out.
Leo: I don’t
have a Surface.
John: You buy
everything that comes out.
Jason: I thought
about buying one of those Surfaces when they cut the price to super cheap for
the old model. I thought about buying one.
John: But you
didn’t.
Leo: I thought
about it.
John: You’ve got
10 iPhones sitting here and you got everything else, you got a Kindle.
Jason: You can
assemble all the iPhones into something the size of a Surface.
Leo: This
amazes me. This is where Apple is very strong. The high-end
iPhone, the big 5.5 inch, if you got the 128 GB version, $950. People
won’t spend $300 for a PC. Oh that’s too expensive. You got a $250 one. But $950 for a phone?
John: That’s why
Apple’s doing so well. That’s why it’s a giant company.
Leo: It’s
stunning!
Dwight: But most
people don’t see the $950. They’re still buying the contract so it’s what, it’s $499?
John: Which is still pretty high.
Dwight: I got off
the subsidized plan last year and so this was the first phone I bought where I
no longer was on that AT&T plan. And I told my wife you know we’re paying
$35 a month for the phone I’m going to get. And when it ships, I heard her call
from the other room, you paid $850 for this phone?!
No, I’m paying $35 a month, dear.
Leo: And that’s
okay, right?
Dwight: Yes.
John: My phone
here, this little phone…
Leo: The one I
gave you?
John: No. Anyway
this little phone, $30 a month.
Leo: You know
someday I think your brain is going to be in a jar.
John: Yea, it
could be. Any minute. This $30 a
month, with a T-Mobile plan.
Leo: Do you
have the 100 minute plan?
John: Yea,
because I don’t talk that much on the phone. Unlimited text,
unlimited data.
Leo: And 100
minutes of phone calls.
John: And if you
do talk too much because sometimes you travel…
Leo: Does the
phone stop working?
John: It tells
you to call in and add some money.
Leo: Because
it’s a go-phone. That’s why; it’s not a regular contract phone. It’s a
month-to-month.
John: Yea, so
you call them up and say I want $10 more for talking. And they say okay, no
problem! And if you don’t use the whole $10 worth…
Leo: Do they
talk like that, okay no problem?
John: Yea.
Leo: You used
to be a taxi dispatcher for the San Francisco cab company.
John: So when
you give them the $10 extra for some more minutes and you didn’t use all but $8
of it, they put the $2 credit on the $30 for next month! It’s like why would
you do anything else?
Leo: And this
is why T-Mobile is the number one carrier in America today.
John: Are they?
Leo: I don’t
know.
John: Well they
should be.
Leo: I don’t
think so.
Dwight: They’re
the biggest driver of change among the carriers but they’re the ones that are
forcing the rest of the carriers to come along. I think they’re number four.
John: They’re
not that big but everyone likes working with them. I love these plans. It
works. And they don’t steal your money, that’s what I like.
Leo: I like
T-Mobile a lot. And that’s why I was trying to get a T-Mobile phone at the
Apple store and they sold out. Even though they lied to me and said it’s
locked, I know that I can go into a T-Mobile store with a T-Mobile phone and
they’ll unlock it.
John: Well you
can go in with this anyway and put a T-Mobile card in it. You said so yourself.
Leo: You’re
right! But I didn’t know that ahead of time.
John: That’s
what I’d want is a Verizon, a CMDA plus. That’s the phone you want.
Leo: Best of
both worlds. That’s what I’m taking to London unless that Moto X calls my name
in Scarlett Johansson’s voice.
John: That seems
unlikely.
Leo: Oracle has
a new kit, I’m sorry, Oculus. I have Larry Ellison on the brain. The new Oculus
Crescent Bay VR, what do you call it, a visor? Do you call it a visor? It’s not
a helmet.
Dwight: Headset.
John: Headset.
Leo: Headset,
alright.
John: Clunky
headset, let’s be more specific.
Leo: Now 360
degree head tracking so you can look all the way up and all the way down.
John: And then
throw up.
Jason: This one
looks a little bit more like a circle mask.
Leo: And it’s
got audio! Look at that, little built-in headphones. Now how much would you
pay?
John: I think it
would be funny if you put one of these on somebody and maybe drug them. And
leave them sitting there and take their clothes off.
Leo: So they
don’t know?
John: Yea.
Leo: And they
can tell they look around, look down and they got clothes on.
John: Yea, they
look around or standing around in a huge group like this and we’re laughing at
them. I’m just imagining these kinds of scenes.
Leo: Samsung
made a version of the Oculus. They’re working with Oculus. When does the Samsung
Gear VR gear come out? Is it soon?
John: Did you
buy one already?
Dwight: I think it’s next year.
Leo: You have
to have a note.
John: You have
to have a note from your doctor probably.
Leo: Well they
do make me nauseous so my doctor would have to be involved probably.
John: Oculus
Strip.
Leo: Is this a
gimmick?
Jason: I don’t
think so. I think we’re not quite all the way there yet. There will be early
adopters. I think for gaming it’s going to be big. I think it’s going to be
either in PCs or consoles, or both. But the people I’ve talked to who’ve used
it have been blown away by it. And they say the latest version is that much
more impressive. It’s going to be a really immersive gaming experience. I don’t
think we’re going to all be in neurmanswer or something
where suddenly everybody is in the Matrix and we’re all seeing things like
that. That’s going to be a long time if ever. But as a gaming accessory, yea I
think it’s going to be big.
Leo: A Japanese
company, Obayashi is going to build a space elevator. Should be up and running
by 2050. My mind will be in a jar by then. But you can put that jar in an
elevator and send it to space.
John: Send it to
the moon.
Leo: A lot of
science fiction is posseted that the whole problem with space travel is the earth’s
gravity.
John: You used
the word posseted.
Leo: Yea, is
that an incorrect word?
John: Well why
don’t you say posed or something?
Leo: Posseted.
Isn’t that correct?
John: It sounds
like you’re leaving dog crap somewhere.
Leo: Not
deposited. I don’t know I’m sitting here with three writers.
John: Do you
ever use posseted when you write, never!
Jason: Extremely
rarely.
John: I’m all
for you, Leo.
Leo: It is a
verb.
John: I’m trying
to help.
Leo: Assume as
fact, put forward as a basis of argument. It’s like postulate. Advance,
propound, submit, hypothesize. Propose or assert,
which would you prefer of those? Here let’s play the audio.
John: I don’t
know. Posseted, it just sounds like
deposited.
Dwight: Pause it,
I have to go to the bathroom.
John: I’m sorry,
now I’ll get blamed for taking the show off the track.
Leo: All I
remember is I was talking about the space elevator.
John: I think
space elevators are bogus.
Jason: This is
the idea is that the physics totally work if you can make a material strong enough
to run that cable. And even this story it’s like with fusion right, it’s always
30 years away. And that’s what they say in this story. We think we can get the
nanotube strong enough to do this by 2030. So really, it’s just coming in 15
years, they’ll be able to build it.
Leo: According
to Mr. Shikawa, all you have to do is get something
100 times stronger than a steel cable.
Jason: No, the
physics work. You drop a cable from space and tie it on at the equator
somewhere. And it’s way cheaper than firing off…
Leo: What are
you sitting in a bucket and then raise it up?
Jason: Well it’s
counterweighted.
Dwight: There’s
two buckets.
John: And for
the next five weeks, you’re being towed up there.
Leo: How fast
is it? Robotic cars powered by magnetic linear motors will carry people and
cargo to a newly built space station at a fraction of the cost of rockets. It
will take seven days to get there.
John: No
problem. Where do you pee?
Jason: Expensive
to build but super cheap once you build it.
John: In space,
I guess. Nobody cares.
Leo: Right now
we can make cables that strong but we can only make them three centimeters
long.
Jason: Yea, they
need to be a little bit longer.
John: It’s just
a matter of time.
Leo: It’s a
little tiny space elevator.
Jason: This is
one of those things that if they can figure out a way to make this stuff, then
they can totally change the technology of the 21st century. But it’s
probably more likely than not that they can’t. But if they can, that would be
awesome.
Leo: It costs a
space shuttle $22,000 per kilogram because the rocket fuel is so expensive, to
take cargo to space. For the space elevator, a couple hundred bucks.
Jason: That’s the
payoff for building this space elevator.
Leo: That’s
nothing!
John: Why just
build one?
Leo: We should
have them all over the earth.
Jason: Imagine
the disaster movies. Then they’ll crash the space elevator and the cable will
smash, and there will be super awesome explosions.
John: Falling
down in San Francisco and takes out the Golden Gate Bridge.
Leo: Once
you’re up there, then it’s cheap to go fly around.
Jason: Well yea,
because you’re in space then.
Leo: There’s no
gravity. You could take a can of Pam.
John: Yea, Pam.
That’s what we need in space. It’s good for the environment to spray Pam.
Jason: And when
your brain is in the jar, it will be lot less weight for that.
John: I like
Pam! Big giant Pam, yes exactly.
Leo: I’m going
to the moon! See you later!
John: Have a
match in the Pam, get a little thrust off of that.
Leo: No for
that, you want to use Final Net hairspray.
John: That will
work.
Leo: Alright,
we’re going to take a break. I don’t know what’s going on.
Dwight: Someone’s
been watching Gravity.
Leo: That was a
good movie.
John: What?
Leo: Gravity.
Dwight: I like
Gravity, yea.
Leo: Love that
movie.
John: I like
gravity but I didn’t’ like the movie.
Jason: You like
the fundamental force of nature.
John: Yea, it
helps.
Leo: I’m with
you on that, John.
Jason: It’s how I
keep all my stuff together.
Leo: It’s how
you keep your brain in the jar, otherwise it would
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autobiography. Wild tales about his rock and roll life. Quite enjoyed that. My next one, and everybody’s been saying get to it soon. It’s WTF, Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot. Have you read that yet? Because
I’ve heard really good things about it. The story of Whiskey, Tango,
Foxtrot sounds like something ripped from today’s headlines. Something about a,
well I’ll tell you what; this is David Shaffer’s new novel. The committee, a
cabal of industrialists and media barons is on the verge of privatizing all
information. Dear Diary, in an idealistic online underground stands in the way
of that takeover using radical politics, classic spy crafts, and technology
that makes big data look like dial up. Sounds really good.
Jason: It’s like
a techno-thriller.
Leo: It’s a
techno-thriller. That’s exactly what it is. The reason I mention these books is
because you can get two books for free right now. A lot of us have been raving
about the great new novel from Mark Russinovich. He is at Microsoft, in fact he’s kind of the guy who’s responsible for Asher at Microsoft. He did
the incredible system tunnels. Microsoft bought them and hired him and got him
writing his book Zero Day Trojan Horse and Rogue Code are great, because they
again are ripped from the headlines. They’re about hackers. In Rogue Code, Mark
Russinovich talks about high frequency trading and hackers who get code into
the stock market. It’s just, I can’t wait to read it.
You’re an Audible listener, right? What’s your book?
Jason: Yea, so
Nexus. Since you mentioned Microsoft, Ramez Naam who used to work at Microsoft I believe. He has a
great series, it starts with a book called Nexus. Which is about what if you could basically code your brain to be an
operating system. And what would happen when you can start hacking your
brain and other people’s brains. And it’s pretty awesome. Great
speculation.
Leo: You liked
it? You’ve got some great sci-fi recommendations.
Jason: Yea. And
it’s got the ups and downs of that technology and how it would affect people.
And the government wants to control it. Really good stuff. From someone who is from the tech industry. He’s a really good novelist.
Leo: That’s why
I like Russinovich’s books because they’re so
accurate. You know this is all true. I’ll tell you what, there’s an infinite
amount of great material. Well not quite infinite, 150,000 titles. More than
you could ever listen to in a lifetime. Classics like the Heart of Darkness
read by Kenneth Branna. The Legends
of King Arthur and his Knights, Robert Lewis Stevenson. There’s all sorts of great stuff. And of
course modern novels. All the big novelists come out in audio books,
same day and date as the books come out on the bookstore shelves. The new
Jonathan Kellerman is coming soon, the Gollum of Hollywood. I think the thing
to do is go to audible.com. Oh, Peter Teal has a new book. Actually I’ve been
reading excerpts from this.
John: It’s his
speeches from Stanford.
Leo: It’s his
speeches, okay. Zero to One, notes on startups or how to build the future. Peter Teal of course, the man most famous for funding Facebook in
the earliest days. But he’s a very successful, is he an angel?
John: He was the
guy that died on the Silicon Valley show. That character…
Leo: Yea, he
was supposed to be Peter Teal. This would be really great. So these are
speeches that he gave or a talk he gave?
John: No he was
a guest lecturer.
Leo: Oh, so
there were lectures. Four hours and fifty minutes, that’s a good amount.
Anyway, here’s the deal. You can get two books for free. We’re going to send
you to audible.com/twit2. All one word. You’ll be
signing up for the platinum plan, that’s the subscription plan that gives you
two books a month. You’ll also get the daily digest of the New York Times or
the Wall Street Journal as part of your subscription. That’s awesome. But the
first month’s free. You get two credits, and get two books. Cancel it anytime
in the first 30 days pay nothing, and those books will
always be yours in your library. I think you’re going to stick around. There’s so many great things to read and learn, and enjoy. If you’ve got a commute or if you go to the gym. If you walk
the dog or do the dishes, there’s nothing like it. Audible.com/twit2. And get started listening today. I think you’re going to like it. Two books free. You’ve heard us talk about it. Do it. Don’t
put it off any longer. How Google Works by Eric Schmidt. You should know. This
isn’t out yet. This is coming out in two days. Eric Schmidt, Jonathan
Rosenberg. And Alan Eagle. Google executive chairman
and ex-CEO Eric Schmidt and former SVP of products Jonathan Rosenberg came to
Google over a decade ago. So this is how they put together that first decade of
Google. That’s interesting. Joan Rivers, I Hate Everyone Starting With Me. She
wasn’t too bitter. Good stuff here. Audible.com/twit2. So pass this along to your friend Adam Curry. Nvidia’s new GPU proves there really was a moon landing.
John: I don’t
know what you’re talking about.
Leo: Well I
don’t know what I am either. Let’s see. It says despite overwhelming evidence
to the contrary, there still exists some people who
believe that the moon landing was a hoax. A TV drama, produced by Stanley Kubrick and presented as fact to dupe the Soviet Union into
giving up the space race.
John: Never knew
this.
Leo: Well what
does Adam think? I’ll have to ask him.
John: You should
bring him on the show.
Leo: No, last
time I asked him it didn’t go so well.
John: Well
that’s because you demoted him. You hate him.
Leo: I asked
him…
John: You hate
him, it’s obvious.
Leo: This
deliciously ludicrous conspiracy theory has been debunked countless times but
now its advocates have one more refutation. Nvidia’s Voxel Global Illumination
Tech-demo. A GPU powered recreation of the Apollo 11 landing site. That
uses dynamic lighting technology to address common claims of moon deniers.
John: This is a
publicity stunt for NVidia.
Jason: Yea.
Leo: It seems
like a bit of a paper tiger. They’re jousting.
Jason: Those
people are just going to say that’s what they want you to think.
John: Have
NVidia go work on why WTT7 fell down. That would be more contemporary. It makes
nothing but sense that it would collapse at gravity speeds.
Leo: 3D
rendition of a photograph showing Buzz Aldrin descending a ladder to the moon’s
surface. They show that the light is exactly right, and so forth. That’s kind
of cool. It is, it’s a publicity stunt.
Dwight: One of my
favorite videos is of Buzz Aldrin punching some guy out who was telling him the
moon landing wasn’t real.
Leo: Well
that’s exactly what you’d expect if he was lying about the whole thing. He’d
hit the guy, right?
Dwight: Exactly!
Leo: Which proves it.
John: You’re all
mocking just a poor innocent public.
Leo: Buzz
Aldrin, there’s the real one and there’s the simulation.
Chad: It’s actually
the opposite. This one is the simulation and this one is the real thing.
Leo: That’s my
point, you can’t tell the difference. Amazing simulation.
Chad: Actually
no, in the video it’s flip. It’s really hard to tell.
Leo: Which
one’s right, which one’s left? Internet retailers are facing new rules from the
Federal Trade Commission requiring them; this is important, you should know
this, to ship your order on time or offer a refund. Online sellers are going to
be required to ship merchandise within 30 days of purchase. I didn’t know they
weren’t. Within 30 days of purchase, or else give you the option for refund.
John: That’s
nothing new.
Leo: Apparently
not. The rule prohibits sellers from soliciting mail, internet, or telephone
order sales unless they have a reasonable basis to expect they can ship the
ordered merchandise within the time stated. You know who this affects is
somebody like Coin. Who raised a lot of money at $55 a pop for that charge card
that you can preprogram. And they still haven’t shipped it. They were supposed
to ship it this summer and they say now it’s probably going to be next year.
John: That was
raising money.
Leo: That
wasn’t merchandise. That’s raising money.
John: Yea,
that’s different. It’s not selling something.
Leo: I think a
lot of people who paid $55 thought they were going to get a Coin.
John: And they
still might.
Jason: This
doesn’t seem to have been a Kickstarter or something like that.
Leo: There’s no
way it would… so okay, you’re right John. This has been a rule but only for
companies who sell merchandise through catalogues. And then telephone sales
that did not extend to the internet, it now does. So that’s what’s new.
John: Oh, just
take the old law, and make the internet on it.
Leo: Internet
makes it with it, and tip. Cool. I think we’re done for the day. I thank you so
much. We didn’t talk at all about MacWorld. We just
kind of mentioned it. Tell us what happened.
Jason: Oh well a
bunch of us, I’ve been thinking of leaving for a while. And it turned out the
timing was such that I left along with many of my colleagues. They laid off a bunch of people. IDG actually in general laid off a bunch of people.
John: Why?
Jason: You’d have
to ask them. I’m not sure.
John: Oh come
on, there’s gossip.
Leo: He doesn’t
want to speak for them.
John: Well he’s
not working for them anymore.
Jason: I don’t
know if I can profess to understand the reason this time. This has been the
latest…
Leo: There’s no
question that print magazine; you were editor in chief of MacWorld and you were at IDG for 17 years.
Jason: I think
it’s more complicated than any one reason. And honestly, the founder and owner
of IDG passed away earlier this year. And he had a really soft spot for the
media.
Leo: Is that
Pat McGovern?
Jason: Pat
McGovern, yea.
Leo: I didn’t
know he passed away.
John: Yea it was
six months ago.
Leo: Oh, that’s
sad.
Jason: So the
people in charge now don’t have the same priorities. They have different
priorities. And I think they’re funding his foundation.
Leo: What
happens to MacWorld Expo?
Jason: I don’t
know the answer. That’s run by a separate part of IDG and I haven’t heard
whether they’re continuing that or not. They haven’t announced that they’re
not.
Leo: PC World
has stopped publishing.
Jason: What
happened to MacWorld magazine is that it went out of
print just like PC World did last year. They’re still going to do a digital
edition on the iPad and a PDF.
Leo: So if I go
to macworld.com; oh they’re doing an iPad edition.
Jason: Yea,
macworld.com and pcworld.com are still there and Tech Hive and Green Bot,
they’re still there. But the staff is much smaller than it used to be.
Leo: Tech Hive
was yours?
Jason: Yea.
Leo: It was a
little painful that it happened a day after Apple’s iPhone announcement.
Jason: Yea, I
would say people have portrayed that as being sort of a calculated thing about MacWorld.
John: Cold-blooded is the way it would seem.
Jason: But I mean
laying people off, you can judge that however you like. I would say those
layoffs happened across IDG everywhere in the U.S. And that’s the date they
picked. It wasn’t tied to just MacWorld. It’s the day
they picked.
Leo: Well in
fact, I think here on October 21st, a new Apple announcement. And
those guys won’t be there to cover it.
Jason: That’s the
sad thing. There are a lot of great people I worked with at MacWorld.
I’ve been planning my next move for a while now. But a lot of great people I
work with there who are no longer there, who will hopefully be finding great
new things to do.
Leo: Well it
was great to hear Serenity Caldwell went to work for…
Jason: Yea,
before this was announced, she decided she was leaving.
Leo: This
happened to Tech TV. People started seeing the writing on the wall before the
actual sale. And they started looking for work earlier. Chris Breen?
Jason: Chris
Breen is still at IDG, still with MacWorld. You know
Dan Friggs is looking for something new and Dan Moore
and a bunch of other people.
John: Why don’t
you put him on the network?
Leo: Dan Moore
is actually already working with Jason on a podcast.
Jason: Yea, we
got a podcast.
Leo: You’ve got
the Incomparable. You have a new website called Six Colors, appropriately named
at sixcolors.com. And you’re already doing reporting.
Jason: Yea, this
is just me for now with some guest stars. I’ve got a lot of friends who are
good writers, who are currently without a place to write. And over time, who
knows. If it can grow and be a place where I can have other
writers that will be great too.
Leo: Well I
remember very well when I got my first Mac in 1984, there was a blowing card for a new magazine called MacWorld.
It might have even included the magazine, I’m trying to remember. And I’ve read MacWorld ever since, since 1984.
Jason: It is an
end of an era. There was a time when I wrote this piece that you’re looking at,
for the Verge, I tried to mention, there was a time when there were no tech
blogs, there were no websites. And products would get
announced in six weeks, two months later. You would hear about them, and you
would pour over every page of the magazines because that’s all the information
we got about new technology.
Leo: I did it,
absolutely.
Jason: My first
job was a Mac User magazine where the back page column, there was this cranky
guy named John C. Dvorak. So it’s been a crazy ride.
Leo: He was the
anti-editor.
John: I was
hired for the specific purpose of being a troublemaker.
Jason: Yes, and
you did a great job at that. You can see.
John: They still
hate me, I was that good at it. These guys hold a
grudge.
Leo: Is there
anybody printing computer magazines anymore?
Jason: Future is
still printing Mac Life although it’s done out of, largely done out of their
U.K. offices now.
John: I think in
England you’re going to find them.
Jason: Yea, and
in other parts of the world there are.
Leo: But here
in the states, we just don’t read paper magazines.
Jason: Well there
are still lots of paper magazines out there. But I think as tech magazines go,
the rest of the industry follows. That’s the cutting edge. Those readers are a
little ahead of everybody else on technology. The rest of them will get there.
Leo: I have to
say I haven’t gotten a paper newspaper in three years. I get the New Yorker but
I don’t get the paper.
John: I took a
subscription to the New York Times for a while. And I don’t remember why I take
these subscriptions, because I end up with piles and piles of paper.
Leo: You can
bring them next time. Because the only bad thing about not subscribing to the
newspaper anymore is I can’t start my barbeque anymore.
John: Fish wrap.
Dwight: You guys
hurt my soul.
Leo: Of course
Dwight Silverman who is an ink-stained wretch from way back when at the Houston
Chronicle. But even the Chronicle’s gone through changes. And even your role
there has changed, Dwight.
Dwight: Yes, and
increasingly we’re online. But what’s interesting at least in Houston because
the economy’s so good, we’re actually doing pretty well. We may be an unusual
case for newspapers.
Leo: The one
category that still seems to print magazines is gaming. Aren’t there a couple
gaming magazines?
Dwight: Oh and
also, kind of like niche. I think there are some enterprise;
because actually a lot of the old school enterprise guys would rather get it I
think on print.
John: That way
they can have their feet up on the desk and have the print thing in front of
them so nobody knows they’re sleeping. You can’t do that online.
Leo: Well it’s
an end of an era. And Jason, I’m so glad you live nearby. And we expect to see
a lot more of you here.
Jason: I love
being here.
John: Where are
you from? Where’d you move to?
Jason: I live in
Marin, Mill Valley. So it’s just a short drive. I don’t have to cross a bridge
or anything. So if there’s an earthquake, I can still get here.
Leo: I was
talking to Jason Hunter at Tech Republic. He’s writing a book about media and
startups. He was very kind, I think he was going to
include me in the book. And we were talking about my history. Starting with you back at KNBR in the early 90’s. And I
started talking about computers and you very kindly gave me some credibility.
John: By hanging
out.
Leo: By letting
me answer some questions, some computer questions.
John: You are a
tech nerd. You are much more so than not. Now you’re just a phone guy.
Leo: I never
wanted to be a phone guy. Believe me, but it seems like people don’t use computers
much anymore.
John: Who would
have figured that out?
Leo: Who would
have thought that? But at the time, I think you were writing a column a day.
John: Yea, I’ve
gone through different phases of writing.
Dwight: A column a
day!
Leo: Not for
any one periodical, but for a bunch of them. All of them. Yea, you were in every…
John: I was in
every place.
Leo: I think I
called you the world’s most prolific computer writer.
John: You’d be
surprised.
Leo: Do you
still write at all?
John: Yea, I
write for PC Magazine. I do a little writing for Gina. Last year, I was writing
for PC Magazine on a daily basis. I write for the online and then they have a
tablet version of the magazine which is different.
Leo: How’s PC
Magazine doing online? I mean it’s not as big as it used to be.
John: Of course
not. I think it’s competitive online, as with anybody else.
Leo: So it is
possible to make revenue doing that.
Jason: PC World
has a lot of traffic too. It’s on the web.
Leo: Tech Hive
is great.
Jason: When I
left IDG, we were so focused on the web. And it’s funny that the story is that MacWorld print is shutting down. Because the fact is the
editors have been focused on the website for years now. And print magazine was
always a best of the website compilation every month. But it’s still sad.
Leo: Well I’m
so glad to have you here. And we’ll have some more of you. And people should go
to sixcolors.com.
John: Did you
just move to Marin? What’s the deal?
Jason: No, I’ve
lived in Marin since 99. A long time.
Leo: He comes
up a lot.
Jason: Sixcolors.com, check it out.
Leo: I just
said he will have more time now.
Jason: I’m not
commuting into San Francisco anymore.
John: I see what
you’re getting at. You could put his show on the thing. It’s a distribution
network.
Jason: That’s technical:
put the show on the thing.
Leo: Put your
mind in a jar, put your troubles at ease. Because the world is moving into a space elevator any day now.
Jason: It’s all
going to end in a space elevator.
Leo: Channeldvorak.org.
John: Channeldvorak.com. The no agenda show. Try to bring the site down. Square Space.
Leo: Square
Space, you’ll never bring it down.
John: We’re
talking about all kinds of stuff.
Leo: It’s good
to see you once again.
John: Always a
pleasure, Leo.
Leo: That was
so insincere.
John: No it
wasn’t!
Leo: You should
attempt to be more sincere I think. And Mr. Dwight Silverman,
always a pleasure to have you. I’m glad things are going well at the
Chron. Man, if you lived closer, I’d like to have you in here too more often.
Dwight: Well I think
some time I think I may just say to hell with it and fly out there and break
into the studio.
Leo: Would you?
I think the last time we pressed the flesh was in 2010 at the iPad
announcement.
Dwight: Right, it
was the iPad launch.
Leo: That’s
been a while.
Dwight: Yea, it’s
been too long.
Leo: It used to
be because of CCX and Comdex. People would get together a few times a year. Not
anymore. Everyone’s in their own little tech hive.
Dwight: Right, our
brains are in jars.
Leo: Just a
bunch of brains in jars. Hey we do TWiT every Sunday
afternoon, 3pm Pacific, 6pm Eastern time, 2200 UTC. Once again next week we’ll
be an hour earlier because I’m going to try and get out here and fly to London
shortly after the show. I will not miss a show though.
John: On a jet.
Leo: I’ll be
back before the next TWiT.
John: First-class, right?
Leo: Upper-class we call it. I’m on Virgin Atlantic.
John: Virgin
upper-class. Do you have to sing and dance like they used to do?
Leo: What?
John: You used
to have to sing and dance and get a free ticket to upper-class.
Leo: To get on
the plane?
John: If you
were Eric Clapton.
Leo: Virgin
Atlantic, I want to fly with you! Something like that?
John: Yea, that
will work. You could do it.
Leo: 2pm we’ll
be starting. I do invite you all to join us live. If you can’t we’ve got
on-demand audio and video after the fact every week at twit.tv and wherever
better podcasts are aggregated. Look for iTunes and that kind of thing. I
posset you will be back. Thanks for joining us. We’ll see you next time.
Another TWiT is in the can! Thank you.