This Week in Tech 469 (Transcript)
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Leo: This is TWIT. This Week in Tech, Episode #469, recorded August 3, 2014
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It’s time for TWIT, This Week in Tech, the show that covers the week’s tech news. For some reason, there was a mix up on the factory floor and every single one of our hosts is in studio today. I think that’s a blue moon, it happens every once in a while. I’ll start over here with John C. Dvorak. Also known as Brian Wilson in his Beach Boy shirt. Do you have a little box of sand for your bare feet?
John C. Dvorak: I do, they’re sitting in it right now. Move the camera down so you can see them.
Leo: He coming from the No Agenda Show, noagendashow.com and channeldvorak.com. Also here from CNET, reviews editor, Lindsey Turrentine. You might see her almost every week.
Lindsey Turrentine: Every Monday
Leo: Every Monday on Tech News Today. It’s good to have you.
Lindsey: Thank you.
Leo: I’ve never met you. Have we met?
Lindsey: This is very strange, no we have not.
Leo: Have we ever worked together?
Leo: I can’t believe that
Lindsey: I know
Leo: You’ve been at CNET for how long?
Lindsey: 15 years. They put me in a closet in the back, so I just kind of stay there.
Leo: 15 years?
Leo: What was CNET doing in 1999?
Lindsey: CNET was…
Leo: It was a TV network.
Lindsey: …actually CNET launched as a TV network. It was originally a cable…
Leo: I was the third employee. John and I were on their first pilot. Remember that John?
John: Oh yeah
Leo: My hair was like Michael Douglas. It was black
Lindsey: So it 1999…
John: You had a different voice.
Leo: I did. I talked like this.
Lindsey: In ’99 the website had happened and had been going for a few years. It had sort of taken off and the website was originally launched as a pet project of the show. Ok there’s this web thing
Leo: Halsey Minor was very smart. I think he realized that TV wasn’t the end all be all, but was a great vehicle for promoting a website. By 1999 it was apparent you could make money on the web.
Lindsey: Yeah the website just took off and it was growing when I started very quickly.
Leo: In fact, the big money maker, I think has always been the case, is reviews right?
Lindsey: Yeah. Reviews are very important. Everybody knows from an advertising perspective that it’s important to be there whether the review is positive or not.
Leo: Right on
Lindsey: It’s better to be there than to not be there.
Leo: So good to have you, thank you for joining us.
Lindsey: Thank you
Leo: Also a newbie on TWIT, well not also because Lindsey was here once before. It’s so good to have you, not a newbie on the network but a newbie on the show, Allyn Malventano. We have been a huge fan of Allyn for a long time. WE quote you all the time
Allyn Malventano: Thank you.
Leo: He is the SSD expert. A reviewer now, full time, at PC Perspective. Former Navy Chief, that’s how me met. Sub-mariner
Leo: How much time under the ocean?
Allyn: Have I spent?
Allyn: I did 10 patrols that were 3 months each, so 30 months under the water.
Leo: Holy cow. Do you go squirrely, 3 months without air?
Allyn: They have air. They make it, we got to pull in we need air.
Leo: It’s a tight, closed space.
Allyn: They are 500 feet long.
John: That’s pretty big
Leo: How many men?
Leo: In 500 feet, that’s 3.7 feet per person.
John: A lot of people get claustrophobia. You have to get checked out to be a sub guy.
Leo: Did you pass the exam?
Allyn: Yeah, had to pass all of them.
Leo: What do they ask you?
Allyn: Had to pass all the sub stuff
Leo: Have you ever seen that guy naked in the locker room? They ask you stuff like that?
Allyn: No they don’t ask you stuff like that. No.
Leo: What do they ask?
John: That’s the Marines.
Leo: I want to end this line of questioning and move on. Mark Milian is also here from Bloomberg Business Week. We love Mark, he was one of the youngest reporters ever at the Los Angeles Times.
Mark Milian: I don’t know if that’s true
Leo: Well, come on how old were you when you started?
Mark: I started as an intern out of college, junior year of college.
Leo: Yeah, pretty young.
Mark: It’s pretty young
Leo: Pretty young. A superstar because you were young and the Times said what’s this internet thing? What’s going on here? We need a youngster to explain it. Then CNN, and you’ve been with Bloomberg Business Week and had one of those terminal cards for a long time now.
Mark: That’s true, for two years.
Leo: Boy, there are a lot of stories we can kick off with today. I don’t know exactly what I should begin with. I’m going to bring up two stories that I feel like are not true. I’m just curious the way the internet treated it was like, first Facebook went down this week for 20 minutes. A Sargent in the Los Angeles Sheriff’s department Tweeted, Facebook is down, this is not an emergency, please stop calling 911 to complain. Everybody loves this story. Who doesn’t love that story? There is the Tweet from Sgt. Brian Brink. Facebook is not a Law Enforcement issue, please don’t call us about it being down, we don’t know when FB will be back up! As it turns out, he wasn’t there. He had the day off, he was off duty when he tweeted this. In fact, it looks like he might have been joking.
John: I believe that it probably did happen. There’s enough documentation from people making crazy 911 calls.
Leo: Sure, the LA Sheriff’s Department said it didn’t happen. They are investigating Sgt. Brink, they said he made it up.
Allyn: Maybe he was drunk.
Leo: You don’t see a lot of that. Fortune interviewed him and he said, yes we’ve received several calls from dissatisfied Facebook users. We get phones all the time whether it be Facebook going down, people getting wrong orders at fast-food restaurants or their cable TV went out. The Sheriff’s department is understandably irritated. I think they feel like people are making fun of them too. They went to great pains to say this didn’t happen.
Lindsey: I think, even if it didn’t actually happen. His point is that it could easily happen. People call for all kinds of ridiculous reasons.
Leo: I’m sure he’s heard all sorts of calls. He’s heard them all right?
John: My Comcast is down, call the cops.
Leo: Then the other one, maybe more… my point is look at how the press treated it. You didn’t see any articles or you saw a few articles saying that the LA Sheriff’s Department is not happy about this and they are investigating. Most of the articles were with joy saying see how stupid everybody is. They call 911. It’s link bait.
John: People love it. Yeah link bait, never heard of such a thing.
Leo: We’re getting to you John.
John: What are you going to talk about?
Leo: You know what I’m going to talk about.
John: No I have no idea.
John: What about it?
Leo: You did a good job. You’ll have a chance to rebut that. I’m going to read three paragraphs and ask our incredibly intelligent audience, which one is real? Only one of the three are real. The other two are computer generated. I don’t know why Phillip Elmer-DeWitt picked you. Do you have a little thing going on with that?
John: He did something interesting about two and half years ago.
Leo: This is revenge coming in here. Go ahead.
John: He wrote, reproduced the phony quote that was going around the net about how I said that the mouse would fail.
Leo: That was phony? I thought that was real.
Leo: It’s not real?
John: No it’s not real.
Leo: I always believed it
John: I know you did. I sent him the article with the exact wordage and then he apologized and took it out of something he wrote in one of the magazines and I never heard from him again.
Leo: I see that Tweet all the time. People Tweet it to me
Leo: They said you know John didn’t believe the mouse would happen
John: I believed the mouse would eventually still fail.
Leo: It was just a matter of timing.
John: Just got to wait. I can wait it out.
Leo: You’ve got it on video.
John: I’ll wait it out. It’ll keep me alive for years.
Leo: I’ll talk about Phillip Elmer-DeWitt and then we’ll talk about the amazing, physics defying rocket engine. Another story that everybody picked up but I think it’s funny.
John: I get the sense that it’s phony too.
Leo: We’ll talk about that. I want you to rebut this. It does feel a little bit like a hit piece. This is Fortune, Phillip Elmer-DeWitt who has been a columnist, he’s been around for longer than you.
John: He’s really bored if he’s writing about me.
Leo: Output from a clickbait generator is nearly indistinguishable from what passes for tech journalism. That’s a shot right at you.
John: He’ll get it back eventually.
Leo: Can you tell which of these paragraphs is written…
John: I have a long more longevity
Leo: I think he’s in trouble. I would never write this. Can you tell which of these paragraphs is written by a veteran PC magazine columnist, John C. Dvorak, and which by a robot? I’m going to read you three, I won’t tell you the answer. They all sound like you. Number 1.
Allyn: I question whether a robot wrote any of them.
Leo: John, you should read these because it should be in your voice.
John: Give me the URL or something.
Leo: Here’s the computer, you read them in your voice.
John: I’ll read them in my voice
Leo: That way they’ll really sound like you wrote it.
Allyn: Except two will be sarcastic
Leo: Two won’t be real.
John: The House of Jobs was once a mighty innovator reshaping industries. This is nothing I would even come close to writing.
Leo: See he knows
Allyn: First one down
Leo: Don’t prejudice.
John: Ok, The House of Jobs was once a mighty innovator,
Leo: reshaping industries so often it seemed it would never stop. But stop it has. While people like John Gruber want to say this isn’t a big deal for Apple because it’s still going to collect its $650+ for each iPhone other retailers sell, we disagree. Was that John or this one?
John: Before I begin, I’m doing my Jerry Pournelle. Let me start by saying that everything I say is out of love for Apple.
Leo: Sounds like you
John: Yeah it does, sure. I’ve long admired the company, yeah that’s me. I’m eager to cheer it on again. Apple’s board, chock full of environmental activists like Al Gore and Tim Cook, rarely miss a chance to polish their premium brand’s image with the faithful climate change cabal
Leo: That sounds like a line of yours. Faithful climate change
John: I would never say that
Leo: It’s well written.
John: It’s not even close, it’s not well written.
Leo: Third paragraph.
John: I’ve said before that this Apple product won’t get much further than any other computer watch, smart watch, or anything else. I first wrote about this in 2012- an article worth re-reading. You can also reread my recent screed about why Apple should not do a watch. But in less than a month I have changed my mind. Kind of.
Leo: Ok, couple of things wrong with that paragraph. A, you never change your mind. B…
John: I change my mind constantly
Leo: You wouldn’t plug previous columns
John: Two, two of them.
John: I got a double, double plug.
Leo: That is the giveaway
John: That’s the giveaway.
Leo: In fact, that is what Elmer-DeWitt says. Can I call him Elmer?
John: Yeah, his name is Elmer
Leo: That’s what Elmer said. This is a giveaway because he plugged his own column.
John: Twice, let’s get that straight
Leo: Those are well written
Lindsey: He also says that he took those sentences from writers like you. So we don’t know if it’s actually you or writers like you.
John: I don’t believe this is true.
Lindsey: So you could’ve written those kind of.
John: No I have never written any of this stuff. I don’t go out of my way to talk about my love for Apple.
Leo: I’ve never heard you say that phrase.
John: I don’t have a love for Microsoft either by the way.
Leo: That paragraph is from David Pogue, I don’t think it was taken from you.
John: That does sound like David Pogue.
Leo: Give me my laptop.
John: I love Apple
Leo: Actually there is no story here. This is a hit piece on John C Dvorak. What did you do to get in this guy’s cheese?
John: I think he just has a grudge because I corrected him years ago. That’s ok, it doesn’t bother me. It’s publicity and I got two more plugs in for that column. Those old columns
Lindsey: You just doubled your plugs.
Leo: The guy who wrote the Apple clickbait generator is Kirk Lennon. He was influenced by the Macalope that has been on this show several times. Most of the sentences were pulled verbatim from real clickbait articles. Some sentences I adapted. If you want to try this out at home, you can go to the clickbait generator on kirklennon.com
John: I could go for that. It might come in handy. Although I think I can do better clickbait naturally. I don’t need a computer to help me.
Leo: The best clickbait is human crafted.
John: Yes, handcrafted clickbait.
Leo: Handcrafted by professionals. We played before the show began, yesterday’s daily show segment on clickbait. Did you see that?
John: Did my name come up in the conversation?
John: Oh man
Leo: It was kind of sad, the correspondent took a Lansing, MI, the last newspaper in Lansing, MI, which happens to be a student run newspaper, all journalism students. He went to them and said, so what makes news? They said it’s got to be useful. He said no you’re all wrong. He then went to a former editor at Gawker and got a little help to make their articles a little more juicy.
John: If you want to learn how to do punchy stuff, go to the bottom of almost any webpage nowadays and there is all this crap, what’s the name of the company doing it?
John: Right Outbrain. Go to the bottom, you get these great headlines, you got of picture of some hottie or something, I don’t know if I should see the best butt in the world.
Leo: I click it every time
John: I don’t, I resist those every time. I don’t care who’s got the best butt in the world because they never show it anyway.
Leo: I hate myself
Lindsey: Shouldn’t every headline be bait though? It is bait that is what a headline is. If a really well written headline is clickbait.
Leo: The New York Post famous headlines, because it was a tabloid and you were walking by
John: Yeah, the daily news does those things too.
Mark: There’s two schools of thought there. There’s a bunch of tech blogs that go information heavy on their headlines so that they’re very Tweetable in many cases.
Lindsey: They’re very SEO-able
Mark: Very SEO-able. There’s a Twitter account, Savedyouaclick, it’s got like a 130,000 followers. It basically takes all the clickbait headlines and answers it for you
Leo: In one word usually.
Mark: Retweet AOL country’s top lead singer isn’t Taylor Swift it’s…. and then SavedYouAClick writes Toby Keith.
Leo: Saved you a click. Although I just read an article saying this isn’t so nice for various reasons, Buzzfeed wrote the article of course because they don’t want to save you a click. You’re spoiling our surprises. Anyway, I feel like there is something to be said about the fact that, I agree with you Lindsey that headlines are about driving traffic, but there is a point that it goes so far that it’s really all about driving the traffic.
Lindsey: Right, no. It should be good. It should be solid. It should be well crafted and truthful
Leo: Truthful and accurate
Lindsey: Accurate and heady maybe. It really should make you want to read the article. If it doesn’t than nobody is going to read what you wrote.
Leo: That’s not what people hate about clickbait. What they hate about it is it’s so transparent. For instance, it tells you how to feel. You’re going to burst into tears when you read this article.
Lindsey: It has to pay off. If it says you’re going to burst into tears you have to actually burst in tears.
John: My clickbait has to point to outstanding product. The stuff on the bottom…
Leo: You invented clickbait.
John: I wish. The stuff at the bottom is like junk, it’s junk that makes promises and then the worst ones you click on it and it takes you to some other vague page where you got to click on something else and you’ve got other clickbait on the site.
Leo: Or worse a slideshow, a broken slideshow.
John: I hate those.
Leo: Because they get to load more
John: Slideshows are a plague. I said that being friends with Don Reisinger who has actually perfected the slideshow.
Leo: Did he invent the slideshow?
John: No he didn’t invent it but he’s perfected it.
Lindsey: That might have been like codec.
Leo: I’m sure Ben Franklin invented the slideshow. I don’t want to get this into a bitch fest about how bad web journalism is but it seems to pollute the water.
John: Pollutes the waters, there is no journalism left
Leo: Let’s talk about this amazing physics defying rocket engine
John: Oh dear
Leo: I’m glad I have smart people hear because everybody, every tech blog without exception including Wired which is normally very smart kind of jumped on this because of the word NASA. The idea was that this, it had originally been created in 2001 by a guy who was a little bit like use water to power your car. In fact, raised something like 45 thousand pounds for the British government to devise a device, it was essentially a specially designed tin can, if you feed thousands of watts or microwave power into it, and they bounce around in the can, somehow miraculously the can propels itself. A small amount of power it comes out of the can, it’s kind of a miracle because it defies the conservation of momentum. John Baez has a really good post on this. He’s an actual quantum physicist on Google+, where he says it’s kind of like having the driver in the car push the wheel and making the car go forward. We know, it’s not possible. He says and he believes that this is completely bogus and even the NASA experiment that gives it some credibility, is bogus. The amount of power it’s creating is so small that it could easily simply be a measurement error.
Lindsey: It doesn’t take a lot to move something in space even if it’s tiny.
Leo: It’s not that. If it were possible it would be useful. It’s not possible. It’s a violation of classic physics that just doesn’t work
John: I would advise people to go to YouTube and ask for, yeah YouTube it. Ask for anti-gravity devices and watch some of these great videos that these kids have put together. My favorite one is a recent one where the phone, drops the phone and the thing starts flying around and it’s clearly got some piano wire on there or something, it’s very funny.
Leo: Lisa’s son is eleven and watches a lot of YouTube told me yesterday told me they’ve invented hover boards.
John: That’s an old one
Leo: I said no, I’m sorry Michael, they don’t actually, that’s not possible, and they don’t have hover boards.
Allyn: But it was Doc Brown.
Leo: No it wasn’t from Doc Brown, their YouTube video company made fake, you saw it, the fake hover board where they paint out.
John: Very well done.
Leo: They paint out the bar that’s holding up the hover board. People believe this stuff, what it is, is an argument for critical thinking or better critical thinking
John: Well it’s a fail
Leo: Baez, who is an actually quantum physicists, says that the NASA scientists say test results indicate that the RF resin and cavity thruster design which is unique as an electric propulsion device is producing a force that is not attributable to any classical electromagnetic phenomenon therefore potentially demonstrating an interaction with a quantum vacuum virtual plasma and everybody picked up that line. It must be the quantum vacuum virtual plasma. Baez says that’s bull, if you’ll forgive. But he says, its grad school bull. Quantum vacuum virtual plasma is something you’d say if you failed a course in quantum field theory and then smoked too much weed. There is no such thing as virtual plasma. If you want to report or make experimental results that seem to violate the known laws of physics fine but it doesn’t help your credibility to make up goofy pseudo explanations. In any event, this is another example of maybe these guys don’t have the scientific knowledge to write the article and so they’re just kind of its NASA so it must be true. This story made the rounds too. Everybody believes it. I don’t think it’s true, I think its BS. There’s a sucker born every minute.
John: Yeah, nothing to say that was the end of that. That really killed the conversation.
Lindsey: It’s not true
Leo: If it’s not true, it’s not true
John: Ok it’s not true
Leo: I don’t think they called 911 and complained Facebook was down.
John: I think they did.
Leo: You think they did?
John: Because they call on dumb stuff
Leo: We all believe people are dumb
John: No, some people are dumb, not people.
Leo: I’m going to take a break because this is a smart crowd and they aren’t fooled by that stuff. Actually we should do a poll on how many people think somebody actually called the LA Sheriff’s Department to complain that Facebook was down. Does that seem credible?
Allyn: I think that might be possible.
Leo: Everybody agrees that happened. Because we all know somebody that would do that.
John: Facebook’s down
Leo: The Sheriff also said that people said my power is out. That’s reasonable, I’d call 911.
John: No you wouldn’t.
Leo: I would call the PGE. 911 is like emergency, there is an emergency. Facebook is down, emergency, emergency.
John: Maybe was somebody wasn’t getting enough likes and it was an emergency to them. Facebook should be banned.
Leo: Do you like my new phone by the way? Have you played with that at all?
John: I don’t know its okay
Leo: $350 for 64 GB
John: You keep saying that.
Leo: Did you guys review it, the OnePlus One?
Lindsey: Got it, yes
Leo: The problem is you can’t buy it
John: Well then what good is it?
Leo: You have to get an invite, that’s what’s weird about it. I feel like there is something we don’t know. There is something missing in this story. Why would a company make a phone and sell it for such a low price? It’s a flagship killer, that’s what they call it and it’s true. In every respect it has top of the line specs and at half the price of every other flagship phone but you have to get an invite or play a contest to get it.
John: Do a contest?
Lindsey: I think that’s savvy marketing
Leo: It is if at some point you sell a lot of phones
John: Don’t you think that price alone would be savvy marketing?
Mark: It’s a Chinese startup and they’re still trying to get penetration.
Leo: So at some point the dam will open up.
John: Does the back come off?
Mark: They’re basically copying the Xiaomi but for the western market.
Leo: This is like the Xiaomi, the big Xiaomi, it’s a very nice phone.
Lindsey: It’s very pretty.
Leo: Don’t take the phone apart.
Allyn: John is just ripping the phone open.
Leo: It comes off but it doesn’t give you access to anything. You can only replace it with a different color back.
Lindsey: But it feels exclusive.
John: Ok let’s take it off.
Allyn: Ryan actually ordered one and reviewed it.
Leo: Jason Howell of All About Android loved it. It feels exclusive, it’s like Gmail. When Gmail was in beta people were selling their Gmail invites on EBay.
John: How do get the back off?
Lindsey: Exactly, it’s beautiful
Leo: Give me the phone back
Lindsey: A few reviewers have given it very positive reviews
Leo: I think it’s excellent. It’s an excellent phone
Lindsey: It’s not really available, there’s a lot of excitement around it and when it does become available to lots of people they will get it.
John: Needless free publicity, this phone should not even be on the show.
Leo: Did you debate at CNET should we review this phone if it’s not widely available?
Lindsey: No, we actually didn’t debate. We’re eager to do it because it is not widely available although it is available right? Somebody has to make a decision whether they’re going to spend some money on it and we’re going to help them make that decision.
John: Stiff ‘em.
Lindsey: Also it’s just interesting. All of these startups out of China are interesting.
John: How do you get the sim card out?
Leo: There’s a sim card slot right there
John: Let’s see, pull it out
Leo: What do you mean pull out my sim card?
John: I want to see it
Leo: Why would I pull out my sim card?
John: I want to see if there’s a sim card in there
Leo: Its’ just like a sim card, I put it in so I know it’s there. Trust me.
John: You know for a fact that you can put one in?
Leo: Yes, because I put one in.
John: You can take it out?
Leo: It’s got my phone number, it’s an AT&T sim you can put a T-Mobile sim in it as well
John: Ok. So it’s GSM?
Leo: It’s GSM that’s right
John: Can I see it again?
Mark: All right guys
Leo: I have a feeling something bad is about to happen. While I let John fiddle with my phone let’s talk about Jira. You know the original name for Godzilla in Japanese was Gojira. I think Atlassian knew that. Jira is one of the world’s most powerful and customizable issue and project management systems used by big companies, NASA uses it, as Chad has told us before, Mojang uses it for Mindcraft. In fact, if you ever file a Mindcraft bug report you’re filing it through Jira. It captures and organizes your work flow so you can prioritize and take action on what’s important while staying up to date with the activity going around. It’s simple enough for a small team and it’s powerful enough for a 100,000 person enterprise. That’s why 25,000 companies use Jira. 70% of the Fortune 100, NASA uses Jira. Jira is incredibly flexible and extendable. Of course there are literally hundreds of add-ons for Jira. Test management, time tracking, and project management. If you’re issues involve code, they tie everything together from initial planning doc, the files, the changes it sets in your code repository right through to deployment. Of course completely integrated, they’ve got rest APIs so if there is not a module for what you want to do on a plugin you can easily build yourself, build one. Flexible and simple, it is amazing. I want you to try it right now for 30 days free. Go to Atlassian.com/twit. For more information. You’ve heard of Jira, I’m sure you have if you’re on a team, if you’re a programmer or if you’ve shipped products you’ve heard of Jira. Now you can try it for free for 30 days. Monthly plans start at $10/month for up to 10 users so it’s very affordable. Atlassian.com/twit consider it. Jira. This is a story that bothered me in some way and what I do every week is I put together stories that bother me and I come to you and I say explain to me. A Houston man is being charged for child pornography in his email, the police say they know about it because Google tipped them off. Now I am not in favor of child pornography and I’m glad they got the guy if that’s what he was doing but is it all troubling that Google apparently according to the police who told this KHOU in Houston. Google spotted three allegedly pornographic images of children in his Gmail and tipped off the National Center for Missing and Exploited Kids.
Allyn: Wonder how that worked.
Leo: Yeah. Chris Matyszczyk,
Leo: Matysczyk? Doesn’t look like Matyszczyk to me! Ok I’ll take your word for it. People never get that guy’s name right.
Lindsey: No, I think he likes it though.
Leo: I’ve been saying it wrong for 20 years.
Lindsey: I’m pretty sure he enjoys that
Leo: You speak polish obviously.
Leo: Or Czech whatever it is. Chris contacted Google, they have not responded. He also asked whether it was part of their standard operating policy.
John: Of course it is.
Leo: It’s clearly…
John: Not a coincidence
Leo: This is what bothers me. We know Google is scanning through your email but mechanically looking for keywords. It looks like a human might have looked at it.
Mark: It’s mechanical, they have facial and skin recognition for images
Lindsey: Probably the same way Facebook does when there is nudity
Leo: Ok but are you telling me Gmail is scanning my email for nudity?
John: Yeah, they’re probably stopping a lot with your stuff.
Leo: You wouldn’t on the face of it know that it’s a kid unless they have some magic scanner that says that’s a nude kid.
John: I think they kick it out.
Leo: If there’s nudity they kick it out?
John: Then the people look at it and then go that’s all good stuff.
Allyn: They have a back end to Google and their search engine right? Maybe there’s something that was in there that was flagged for child porn in the past and it crossed over to the email?
Leo: Chad has found an additional story this is a statement from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. This is not Google right?
Chad Johnson: No, this is from the Center it says since 2008 we’ve used ‘hashing’ technology to tag known child sexual abuse images and identify them.
Leo: So they gave that to Google?
Mark: I guess they give them the database of troublesome images
Leo: Maybe they’re known images, ok that would do it. That’s what the hashing will do. This is a known image that is circulated and as soon as they get a child porn image they create a hash and then they give it to Google and Google is matching it.
John: Google does have image search
Lindsey: They have safe search, Google already has to weed stuff out.
Leo: I understand the skin search, I understand.
John: Skin search?
Leo: There is a certain percentage of flesh, if it exceeds like 40% of flesh.
John: If the person has a lot of tattoos would that be different?
Leo: Yeah, I understand that but that’s still troubling because you’d have to actually look at it to know if it’s child pornography. So what you’re saying is, it was a known image that they had a hash for. That would make sense.
John: Google hasn’t confirmed that this is a known image.
Leo: Thank you Chad, was that business insider that had that.
John: it makes a lot of sense that Google is looking at everything anyway. I think Google is looking at everything.
Lindsey: If Google put itself in a position to police the world that way I think that you must be right there is some sort of…
Leo: This really relieves me
Lindsey: It probably relieves, I couldn’t imagine that Google would sign itself up for that.
Leo: I don’t want any human at Google looking at my email. That’s fine if a machine scans it I don’t have a problem with that.
John: Google is going to have humans at some point looking at your email.
Leo: We know the NSA is looking at your emails, Snowden revealed that…
John: Google or NSA I don’t see the difference
Leo: You think Google is doing that?
John: Not routinely.
Allyn: I have a counter to that
Leo: Will you counter that because you were probably involved in homeland security when you were in the Navy yeah?
Allyn: My last three years in the Navy was for the NSA.
John: There you go, now we got some. Now Leo you’re on some watch list
Allyn: I’ve never seen anybody just passing around images.
Leo: What were you for NSA? Were you a contractor?
Allyn: Reverse engineer. I reverse engineered malware.
Leo: If you’re in the reverse engineer malware department…
Allyn: There is a lot of departments that walk around the building.
Leo: Hey quick go over to the reverse engineer malware department and show them this picture.
Allyn: No, we don’t have. ..
Leo: I’m glad to have you on. I’m going to change the room around a little bit here. I guess I did know that, I had to know that.
Allyn: I might have not gotten into all the gory details.
Leo: It was classified
Allyn: That’s true
Leo: I knew you were doing IT type stuff for the Navy.
Allyn: My tour in Virginia was Naval Sovereign Defense Operations Command.
Leo: I remember that because I had the coin.
Allyn: I gave you a coin.
John: Virginia is the give away
Allyn: Virginia yes.
Allyn: They do all the network defense, they make sure no other country can hack into the Navy
Leo: Good, Navy was the word I was fixated on
Allyn: After that I did more joint stuff
Leo: So what’s it like in there?
Allyn: Very boring
John: I’m sure
Leo: Reverse engineer malware by de-compiling it?
Leo: To what end? So we can make our own?
Allyn: So we can defend against it
Leo: So we can find it, not so we can make our own?
Allyn: No not to make our own
John: Well not in his department.
Allyn: You’re right, I’m sure there are departments where they are making it.
Leo: Well we know that. Well what do you think of the Snowden leak? You must have an opinion on all of this.
Allyn: I have to tread carefully
Leo: I want you to be brutally honest.
Allyn: I think it was last week, you were talking about a different story. A different NSA story last week.
Leo: Well there is a different NSA story pretty much every week.
Allyn: They were going into these, analysts could just go through and they made it sound like there were no rules. There were no laws and people could just do whatever.
Leo: I know there are rules and laws
Allyn: Exactly, that’s my biggest counter to that is there are rules and laws and we were just trained endlessly as analysts. Hey if you see this, if it’s a US person no sorry you’re not keeping that, you’re not supposed to write a report on that. If it happens to be in a database it was by accident basically. We don’t just, there is not enough time.
Leo: I never questioned that, I don’t think Edward Snowden questioned that. Although we know a few things. First of all we know that the intelligence community has basically lied for quite some time to congress. In fact, the latest story is that the CIA was monitoring the congressional committee, investigating it and hacking into its computers and admitted it after lying about it for some time. We now the intelligence community lies to congress so that’s the oversight portion. It’s good to say there’s a rule and I understand there’s a rule and it’s good they train you, that’s really great
Allyn: Oh yeah
Leo: But if at the very top, there is a culture of defying the congressional oversight that is not encouraging.
Allyn: Along those lines, what I have the biggest issue is…
Leo: You wouldn’t deal with that of course?
Allyn: No I was nowhere near that. The big issue was there was an IT person, Snowden right?
Allyn: That’s what he did in IT. Those guys should not have any kind of access to those databases. Because there is no oversight for them. IF I was did some kind of search on somebody, somebody has oversight over me to do it like a check and balance, or audit and surveillance thing. Any query I did, somebody else above me would see that come across
Leo: Do you think Snowden made it up or do you think those are legitimate documents
Allyn: Well he had access to a lot from what it looks like.
Leo: It’s too much to make up
Allyn: Right, so
Leo: How did he get access?
Allyn: That’s, who knows? That’s what I think there should have been more careful rules in place and that sort of thing. I think they got a little bit lazy on how they were maintaining their IT infrastructure.
Leo: I understand. Its human nature. You find a hot picture let me just...
John: It’s probably going on at Google mail as we speak
Allyn: They’re looking at your email
Leo: Somebody in the chatroom, and I don’t know how they know this. Maybe they could be BS, says that the way Google works is there is a threshold, a score threshold and if your mail exceeds that threshold a human does in fact start looking at it.
John: A score threshold for what?
Leo: That’s what is unclear
Leo: No merely with images but in order to improve their services
John: Oh yeah that’s the reason I knew there was a reason. To give you ads that you want
Leo: That I don’t have a problem with ads. I have a little more of a problem with a government spying on me than a corporation trying to give me better ads.
John: Yeah but are you getting better ads? I’m not getting better ads.
Leo: You’re problem is that it’s not working well?
John: it doesn’t work at all. It’s a scam
Leo: If it worked better?
John: It’s a scam to sucker people into investing.
Leo: If it worked better it’d be ok with you?
John: No I don’t like it.
Lindsey: I have to say…
Leo: The food is terrible here and the portions are so small
John: Exactly, Woody Allen.
Leo: Go ahead on service
Lindsey: Facebook is a little bit different but they do very similar things. I will say this, Facebook ads, I love them. I have discovered multiple services and things that I buy and I have spent money on fruitcakes for cats.
Leo: In your case they are pretty accurate?
Lindsey: They are really accurate and stunningly so. Oh my gosh I must have those earrings. How did they know?
Leo: How did they know?
Lindsey: I don’t know. Some combination of age, profession and what my friends do.
Mark: They’re looking at your browsing history.
Lindsey: They are but I’m not just talking about the ads that follow me around the internet. New things that I’ve never seen before
Allyn: They’re not just looking at your browsing history but also what you’ve liked. What articles somebody else posted and then you like it specifically.
Lindsey: Exactly, and they know what my friends are like and what my friends spend money on.
Leo: Well also they know you and they have your Facebook token and everytime you go to a page with a like button they say oh here comes Lindsey again so they have a pretty good, given that most pages now have like buttons, they have a pretty good idea of where you go and what you do.
Lindsey: What’s interesting about this is that I only like brands that are in the media for professional reasons. I don’t as a rule, I don’t like brands on Facebook because I don’t want them cluttering my feed. It’s not just that, it’s a pretty rich combination of things, I’ve been impressed. It’s kind of creepy how effective it’s been for me.
Leo: This is interesting, I’m looking at my Facebooks ads. There is a pre-order for a $20 thing I can stick to anything and find it with my IOS device. They know I’m a geek.
Allyn: You would use that?
Leo: No I wouldn’t but that’s…
John: It’s not a bad idea if you lose your keys a lot.
Leo: For Snapple, I don’t know why I’m getting an ad for Snapple
John: For Snapple?
Leo: I don’t drink Snapple, but maybe I should. The Lucile Packard Stanford Children’s center which is a charity. United Way of the Wine country. They think I’m generous.
John: That shows you how screwed up it is.
Leo: The Uptown Night Club.
John: There you go
Mark: I didn’t know you liked to go clubbing.
Leo: Where is the Uptown, oh it’s in Oakland.
Mark: I have an ad for city college of San Francisco and boxer shorts
Leo: Yes so we know, are you wearing briefs or boxers?
Leo: See, they know what underwear you’re wearing.
John: So what, buy more boxers because of this ad.
Mark: It’s pretty good actually.
John: Ok, I give up. I tried my best. Everybody is all in on this. Sure follow me around
Lindsey: We’re just saying that it works not that’s it’s morally
John: You guys are in, you love it.
Leo: He says it doesn’t work and it’s morally
John: I hate it, I just dislike it
Leo: Do you not use Google?
John: I use Google
Leo: Do you take steps to anonymize yourself?
John: Often, not always, I don’t really care but I’ve done it.
Leo: You hate it but you don’t really care.
John: I hate it, I do care
Leo: You hate it on principal?
John: Here’s what the problem is
Leo: You don’t personally care, I understand that.
John: No you don’t. You’re just mocking me because you’re all in on this.
Leo: No I understand
John: I know that you’re mocking me
Leo: I understand that you can hate it on principal but not care that much so you do it.
John: I get it, I’m fine. I’ll shut up
Leo: But you hate it on principal?
John: I hate it. Period
John: It’s not on principal, off principal. You know anything, I just don’t like the idea of being tracked like a dog.
Leo: This tile sticker we can put it on your forehead, we’d find you everywhere you are.
John: Put it on everything.
Leo: I’m sad about this. The Google barge. We’ll talk about the Google barge I got to take a break.
John: Didn’t you do a commercial a minute ago?
Leo: We do a commercial every few minutes.
Leo: It’s a new thing on Twit
John: I’ve heard that
Leo: We have to stop whenever possible. I can go on, I don’t have to do a commercial.
John: No, do a commercial, is it a good one? Who’s it for?
Leo: It’s for GoTo Meeting. You like GoTo Meeting.
John: Oh yeah they’re good guys.
Leo: Have you ever used GoTo Meeting?
John: Yeah I did as a matter of fact
Leo: When we do meetings, everytime we do a phone conference, instead of doing a phone bridge you can do that, we have phone bridge capability.
John: You do?
Leo: Sure we do
John: This place has phone bridge capability?
Absolutely. Here’s the thing, every once in a while you’re in a meeting and somebody says let me show you and then because we’re in GoTo Meeting all of a sudden we can see their screen. In fact they say will you hand me the screen? I didn’t know what. Then I realized we’re in GoTo meeting I can click this button and now he’s got control of the screen. Then we turn on the cameras and we’re seeing each other. It’s really kind of amazing. It’s a great way to make meetings effective.
John: Do you have a special offer or anything that you can help people out with?
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John: The other guys have all gone out of business. There was one that just sucked. Was it Web X?
Leo: Web X. Yeah.
John: I remember them. It was terrible.
Leo: Web X, did you use that in the Navy? Or the NSA? What does the NSA use for conferencing?
John: He can’t say
Allyn: I can neither confirm nor deny.
John: Watching him it might be Web X
Allyn: Everything you do at the level, it’s all of the shelf stuff but it’s all on a secret or higher network.
Leo: There’s a computer over here with orange plugs that you use for that kind of stuff?
Allyn: No, it’s at your desk but it does have orange plugs. Good call.
Leo: I knew that, I remember when I was at…
John: That’s suspicious
Allyn: It is, how did you know that? We want to know.
Leo: Did I say orange plugs? Is it on a separate network?
Leo: So the spy stuff doesn’t get mixed in with the GoTo?
Allyn: Well it goes over the internet at some point but it goes through insane crypto to get there.
Leo: That’s kind of cool. I could work for them
John: Yeah you could, I think you are.
Leo: If they asked me. I went to see...
John: Can I ask you a question? Someone in the chatroom brought this up.
Leo: Yes, please.
John: Whatever happened to Stickam?
Leo: So we used Stickam when we first started.
John: I remember
Leo: They went out of business
John: Why? How? How could you go out of business in this day and age?
Leo: Because it’s very expensive to do what Stickam and Ustream and Justin TV do which is to give you unlimited free bandwidth. There it is, thank you and farewell. Looks like a yellow storm trooper helmet. They went out of business because it’s very expensive.
John: How can these other guys stay in business? Ustream was in business before they were.
Leo: It’s a better ran business. Ustream probably put Stickam out of business really. Twitch TV which is another example of a very expensive business just sold to Google for a billion dollars. So they made a pretty good exit out of that.
Lindsey: They have a built in audience for very specific types of activities. That makes a ton of sense for Google. They bring an entire new young audience engaged in gaming.
Leo: What are the biggest stuff, content on YouTube right now? It’s this kind of content.
Lindsey: It’s my son watching people play MIndcraft.
Lindsey: That is what it is
Leo: How old is your son?
Lindsey: He is 11
Leo: 11. Michael 11, that is all he does. He doesn’t watch TV
Lindsey: Actually my daughter who is 8 might watch more of it. She loves to watch other kids play.
Leo: Do either of your kids watch TV-TV?
Lindsey: No they don’t like it.
Leo: This is got to be driving television and the ad executives nuts.
John: I don’t understand how they’re not having meetings 24/7.
Leo: It must drive them crazy.
Lindsey: That’s why Google bought, it makes sense.
Leo: you know what drives execs crazy? YouTube. They know they’ve got this captive audience and they cannot figure out for the life of them what to do with it. They can’t figure out how to monetize it, I believe.
Lindsey: They will
Leo: This is the dirty little secret of YouTube is that they are not getting much money for those ads because those ads aren’t worth much. Your 11 year old doesn’t see them. Your 11 year old clicks the video, if there is pre-roll he goes off and does something else.
Lindsey: Actually no, my 11 year old, I believe that children and this is scary are the most susceptible to advertising.
Leo: I agree
Lindsey: They will watch anything that moves so if the ad is clever in any way they’ll watch it. They’ll be like wow that was funny.
Leo: I’d be freaked out if I were on a television network
Lindsey: It’s all in the creative
Leo: You know that everybody growing up now just doesn’t watch TV.
John: They’re watching all this stuff
Leo: They’re watching YouTube and Twitch like nuts, like crazy
Lindsey: Advertisers will figure it out, if there is a way the advertising industry will figure it out.
John: They’re going to figure out that a lot of this is a waste of their money, they haven’t figured that part out yet.
Leo: That’s what I kind of feel like YouTube, I know you say the kids are being influenced. Maybe they are, maybe the young ones are.
Lindsey: I hope they’re not. I don’t want my child influenced.
Leo: Do you see banner?
Lindsey: No it’s the pre-roll.
Leo: Even the pre-roll don’t you just hover over the skip ad until
Mark: 5, 4,3,2,1…
Leo: I actually
Mark: I do that
Leo: …avert my eyes. I don’t want to see the ad.
Lindsey: We’re all adults. The kids will be drawn into the pre-roll
Leo: That’s interesting
John: I’m not sure of this
Leo: Maybe what they’re thinking is right now it’s not worth much but it’s going to be.
Lindsey: I think so and I think they’re testing ways in which they can make the advertising powerful enough to be content on its own which is always the deal in advertising right?
Leo: It’s tricky though because those of us who still watch TV because we DVR everything and we skip them. This generation, your kids, will totally…
John: This new thing with Comcast will not let you skip ads.
Leo: I know I hate the on demand stuff that is why I TiVo it. Because you can skip ads.
John: You got the middle man, that’s not a bad idea.
Leo: Took the Comcast out of the equation there.
John: That’s the way to go.
Leo: Can’t stop you from skipping in TiVo which is why they put replay out of business and I’m sure they would love to put TiVo out of business. What was I going to talk about?
Lindsey: Google Barge
Leo: So the barge is dead. That’s sad, they’re selling it for scrap
John: It looks like scrap.
Leo: They spent millions. First of all the barge itself, they estimate it’s about $4 million. Who knew that a barge was worth? It’s a rusty hulk that just floats it doesn’t have much.
John: What was it going to be?
Mark: It was like a showroom.
John: Yeah a showroom.
Mark: For Google Glass
Lindsey: Like an Apple store on the water
John: A mobile Apple store.
Leo: They put 63 shipping containers on it which they then hallowed out. Turned into a high tech showroom of some kind. There are several of these barges, we have one in San Francisco which has not yet been sold for scrap
John: Maybe they should turn it over to the homeless
Leo: Portland, Maine had one that was built in New London, CT. Where all the submarines are built
Allyn: So do we know anybody that has been on that thing?
Leo: No. Do you?
Lindsey: No, Daniel Terdiman at CNET is the one who broke the story originally and found it in the bay in San Francisco. He’s never been on it to my knowledge, he’s walked around it.
John: Maybe the whole story is just a fraud
Leo: No Google admits it.
John: For publicity they can say whatever they want
Leo: They were going to float it down to NY City from Portland, Maine but the problem with the San Francisco one is they didn’t have any permits. The permits you need to…
John: How dumb are they? Seriously?>
Leo: It’s not how dumb, it’s how much money they have. They have silly money.
John: They have silly money and nobody thinks that you need permits to do this sort of thing?
Leo: They didn’t care
Mark: Is it partially related to the threats to start ferrying employees from San Francisco down and San Francisco wouldn’t let them...
John: Put them in the barge
Leo: Get in slaves
Mark: They paid like $5/bus to do the Google busses.
Leo: Tomorrow, on Triangulation Kevin Rose will be here. Who is the poster child for the gentrification of San Francisco.
John: Not because he wanted to be
Leo: They protested at his home, they named him. They called him out and said it’s your fault Kevin Rose
John: You might as well blame him
Leo: We’ll ask him about this tomorrow. He works at Google.
Mark: He’s probably been on that barge.
Leo: It was probably his idea
John: I’ll bet $10 he hasn’t been on the barge.
Leo: I’m going to ask him tomorrow
Lindsey: I kind of wonder what the sale of the barge has to do with Google’s plans to sell hardware. They obviously had some plans.
Leo: Now you’re connected the dots
John: They’re selling plenty of hardware
Leo: They’ve backed off a little bit. The Glass has not been successful. They never went…
Lindsey: They’ve got Diane von Furstenberg making the Google Glass frames.
John: Who the hell is going to wear this stuff? This is just asking for trouble to wear those things.
Leo: Sitting right in the front row, he’s wearing the Glass.
John: Good seeing you.
Mark: They’re all about Smart Home now and probably a boat is not the best place to sell home appliances.
Leo: Unless it’s for house boats.
Allyn: they bought Nest right?
Leo: They bought Nest and they clearly have some hardware ambitions.
Lindsey: They do but I think their hardware ambitions are all as a showcase for their software and services.
Leo: Right, well I’m wearing an Android Wear Watch and it’s not made by Google.
John: let me see the watch.
Leo: Oh God. Is there any way to turn this into a Russian watch because if there is he’s going to figure it out? Its’ not locked it’s tied to that phone so please don’t
John: Oh it’s tied to the phone.
Leo: Of course it is. I kind of like it. It’s not…
John: What happened to the other watch you had?
Leo: The Basis, the Pebble? Chad is wearing the Pebble. He likes it, but I think he would like and Android Wear wouldn’t you Chad? Really deep down in your heart of hearts.
John: 6 pm
Lindsey: He’s probably waiting for Moto 360
Leo: Isn’t that cool, you can see stuff like that. I can see the Giants score. It’s a little useful, it’s not a lot useful. It’s not something you’d run out and say you’ve got to have this.
Lindsey: Once Google perfects the Google Now and all the Google cards and all the information.
Leo: The challenge for Google is to really make that useful it has to get creepy. A little bit. As people…
Leo: Its people like John who want to make sure that they get up in arms saying how Google has really crossed the line now
John: I don’t say stuff like that
John: No I see what you’re saying
Leo: You know what I’m saying, you got to be careful because the press and more importantly the general public might come to the conclusion that Google is finally become creepy.
Leo: I don’t think they’re creepy yet.
Allyn: Google Now is kind of creepy
Lindsey: This happened to me the other day I bought movie tickets online and I had not anyway combined formally said Google when I buy movie tickets I get an email confirmation, I want to know about it.
Leo: Except it sees it in your Gmail.
Lindsey: It sees it in my Gmail and I get a Google Now alert that says leave now for your movie. I had already left so it wasn’t that great but if I had it on a watch that would be much handier.
John: When I open an email it says, I got the first part of that sentence.
Leo: The problem with the watch is they have really small screens so you get a little bit of the now.
Lindsey: It has to talk to you.
But it does very much, that’s exactly the use case. That’s what I mean that it has to get more creepy and it has to get more predictive about what you’re doing. It has to be more aware of what you might be doing and then has to tell you stuff that going to be useful before you knew it. That’s even what Eric Schmidt said all along. Really for us to succeed we can’t be reactive we have to be proactive. We have to come up with what you want before you know what you want. That’s going to be creepy or not?
Lindsey: Or wonderful or creepily wonderful
Leo: You know why I think this is ok? I would propose this Lindsey, it’s ok because it’s useful
Lindsey: It’s useful and it’s not,
John: Time consuming
Lindsey: There is nothing that is going to hurt me in any way but it is a slippery slope
John: It could hurt you
Leo: I think that….
John: Shorts out on your wrist and catches on fire.
Leo: Larry paid you to say this
John: You never know what could happen
Leo: The problem is when we announce that we’re going to do stuff people see that first and they decide it’s creepy. When you experience the value of it first, before we announce then you don’t get that creep reaction. You’ve seen the value and you’re willing to trade a certain amount of protection for a certain amount of value.
John: I love you.
Leo: You think I’m a Google apologist?
John: You’re just an apologist.
Leo: I apologize. I didn’t…
John: You love this, everything is great.
Mark: They could also use some help with how they are announcing this.
Leo: Like what?
Mark: Like for example a direct quote from this past Google IO. Over the summer, Sundar Pichai said we want to know when you’re at home with your kids.
Leo: I think this is the problem. They’ve used it so they get the value of it. This is exactly what he was articulating. The problem is until you’ve used it, it seems creepy. So I agree with you. They are not very good at expressing it because it is creepy until you’ve used it.
Mark: They should follow the Apple, well Google is better at this than Apple is, but when Apple does something along these lines they say it’s magic. We don’t know how it works, you don’t know how it works.
Leo: It’s magic. Isn’t that good? Now I understand why they say that. Who could resent magic?
John: This thing does have settings but you can’t change the language.
Allyn: it follows the language on the phone so you have to change the phone.
Leo: Ix-nay on the anguage-ay.
John: That would make sense
Leo: You’re never coming back Mr. NSA analyst.
John: I like this thing
Leo: Congratulations to
John: It’s a little clunky
Leo: It is a little clunky but I’m waiting for maybe the Moto 360 will be round that will be more desirable.
Lindsey: everybody is waiting for that
Leo: What about this HP watch that came out of left field? HP announced and I don’t know when it will be good, a smart watch that they had Michael Bastian, do you know who that is? You’re fashion forward.
Lindsey: Not that fashion forward, no but I think it’s ugly.
Allyn: That article title looks good but it doesn’t actually look good
Lindsey: Yeah it’s not that attractive it’s like I’m looking forward to the Moto 360.
Leo: The HP calculator watch.
John: I actually have an original Fairchild watch.
Leo: There you go, that’s it Chad you found it. Allyn tell me the truth, you wore that watch for years?
Allyn: The HP calculator watch? No.
Allyn: I wore a Casio calculator watch.
Lindsey: That was the superior one.
Leo: The one with the stylus?
Allyn: The one with the address book in it but not the stylus no.
Leo: You didn’t go that far back, you’re too young. In my day the watch because the buttons were so small.
Allyn: I was so small then my fingers were small enough I could use the watch
Leo: I find this very interesting, HP out of nowhere, this isn’t an Android wear watch. It will support Android and iOS.
Leo: It will have an app that you can install. They’re doing their own software and we know how well HP does software so it’s going to be exciting.
Lindsey: I think everybody has to try it. Every single manufacturer has to get something to get in the game because if it does take off they have to be…
Leo: That’s true
Lindsey: It’s an insurance policy.
Leo: if it’s the next new thing
Lindsey: It’s never been the successful the next new thing. How many times has the industry tried smart watches?
Leo: Microsoft with the spot watch remember that?
Leo: I had a watch that you had to hold up to the screen
John: That was great yeah
Leo: And it would put your calendar,
Allyn: I had that one
Leo: The Timex one?
Allyn: That was Timex?
John: Yeah Timex-Microsoft
Leo: it would program by blinking on the screen
Mark: Misfit chime the wristband thing uses that technology with your phone
Leo: It does?
John: How can you use that technology now a days with the LCDs?
Leo: That’s what happened to the Timex watch
Lindsey: It flashes intentionally
Leo: They needed to see RT to work on the Timex watch I guess they’ve licked that so to speak.
Allyn: I just wish there was more customization with what the Google Now stuff shows on the phone. For example, Ryan Trout, my editor-in-chief, he’s dealing with emails for other people and the website.
Leo: So he gets a lot of crap
Allyn: He says hey Allyn you have a flight tomorrow because it came up on his watch as if it was him. His watch thinks he’s flying
Leo: That’s Ryan’s fault because he’s having everything channeled to his personal email. He needs to…
Allyn: No, it’s two separate email accounts. He has the hone pulling from both
Lindsey: You can choose which ones
Allyn: Somehow it gets mixed up for him
John: For the price, look at this it’s a piece of cheese
Leo: It’s $200. It’s not that expensive.
John: 200 is a lot to pay for a bunch of plastic.
Leo: Oh but, let me tell you. This is a 22mm watch band. This is a standard watch band, I can get alligator or crocodile or snake skin. Now how much would you pay?
John: But for $200 you get the crap.
Leo: You get a rubber band.
John: Geez, I don’t think it’s that useful
Allyn: That’s upside down
Leo: That’s because John probably …
John: I didn’t do anything, you blame me for everything
Allyn: That would be a good one John if you got the watch band attached upside down.
John: Someway that you couldn’t even wear it that would be great
Leo: Apple has officially closed its deal for Beat’s Music. Are you excited?
Allyn: Are they selling them themselves now? What are they doing? Like on their website?
Mark: Yeah they’re selling them on the Apple store now.
Lindsey: And all the employees are Apple employees now.
Lindsey: Except the ones that aren’t
Allyn: Except for the sales people
Leo: And the HR
Lindsey: What’s it like 200 people? 200 jobs being shuttered
Leo: That’s not that many and there is a dispute over really that many jobs were lost and so forth. Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Dre will offices in Cupertino which they’ll never visit.
John: Why should they?
Leo: Why should they they’ve got a business to run. The biggest changes is that iRadio will be run by a Beats guy. Former Beats executive. I’m trying to find his name, I can’t find it off the top of my head.
Lindsey: It seems like that would be a good thing.
Leo: Yeah, iRadio is an example of a great service that could use a little bit of the Beat’s glitter because nobody even knows it’s there
Lindsey: Even though it’s built right in.
Leo: I know
Lindsey: It’s kind of funny