This Week in Google, Episode 656, Transcript
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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for TWIG, This Week in Google. Stacy's here, Jeff's here Ant Pruitt's here. We will talk about the Lapsus$ extortion group. They've hacked NVidia and Samsung, Microsoft Okta. And apparently it's a 16-year-old living in his mother's house in Oxford England. We'll also say goodbye to a couple of computer pioneers. Take a look at South by Southwest and Stacey has a review of the new Eero, Pro 6E it's all coming up next on TWIG
Narrator (00:00:35):
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Leo Laporte (00:00:44):
This is TWIG. This Week in Google episode 656 recorded Wednesday, March 23rd, 2022: The Ultimate Ungulate This Week in Google is brought to you by Codecademy. Join over 50 million people learning to code with Codecademy and see where coding can take you. Get 15% off your Codecademy pro membership. When you go to codecademy.com and use the promo code TWIG. And by New Relic, that next middle of the night call is just waiting to happen. Get New Relic before it does, and you can get access to the whole New Relic platform and 100 gigabytes of data free per month. Forever. No credit card required. Sign up at newrelic.com/TWIG. And by Wealthfront to start building your wealth and get your first $5,000 managed for free for life. Go to wealthfront.com/TWIG. It's time for TWIG This Week in Google the show where we cover the latest news from the Google verse with Stacey Higginbotham of StaceyonIoT.com. Hello Stacy.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:01:56):
Hello Y'all.
Leo Laporte (00:01:56):
You're wearing a lovely scarf in it, configured in a stylish fashion, and you just looks a lot of money right now up staging us in many ways. It looks good. No, no. Looks great. There we go. Thank you, Miss Marple also, uh, with us only Jeff got that one also with his,
New Speaker (00:02:15):
I'm an an old detective. Oh yeah, I did get it. I used to read Ellery Queen. Oh yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:02:22):
I think it wasAgatha but close. Uh, Anthony Pruitt is here from Hands-on Photography. He's got his granny glasses on too.
Ant Pruitt (00:02:29):
Can't see today. Don't know why.
Leo Laporte (00:02:32):
Did you get your, uh, pupils dilated?
Ant Pruitt (00:02:34):
No, just some days I wake up and I'm like, I can't see it's I know what it is. It's allergies. It's a peak peak allergies. Oh it is it ring again spring, as somebody said, UN Reddit enjoy the, enjoy the green Hills. They'll be death. Deathly brown in about eight weeks. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (00:02:53):
Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:02:53):
Looking like they're just dying also with us. The Leonard Tow professor for journalistic innovation at the Craig Newmark graduate school of journalism at the city, university of New York, the ever tuneful Jeff Jarvis. Hello, Jeff. Hello? Hello. How are you? Hello? Hello? Hello? I bring sad tidings. Yeah. Today at, uh, one o'clock just an hour ago, we learned of the passing of the man who created the GIF and you know what? I'm gonna call it. The GIF in his honor, here is a tribute. He, uh, Stephen Wilhite won a lifetime achievement award from the Webbies a couple of years ago. Here is David Karp of Tumblr to present that award with a, a look back at some famous gifs.
Leo Laporte (00:03:51):
There's a peanut butter jelly time. The dancing baby from Ally McBeal. MCPE see if you can identify all of them. Everybody's website had the, the under construction GIF, Netscape, American flag navigator, escape, tomatoes. I don't know what that is. Crying guy, baby, with an ice cream cone, the, uh, mascot that falls on his face. Orson Wells, applauding and Citizen Kane. That deal with it Dog. I don't know what to call that. As David things stood up, uh, these are all so many famous animated gifs. The GIF is not inherently animated. It can be a still image. It was often used on the web as a still image, but it was, I re I'll never forget it. Seeing my first animated Gif and Netscape navigator. When, when it first came out, I had that rotating encompass. There he is. Steven will height. He's gonna get up. We give a love of his, of his speech because he says something pretty important.
Video (00:04:46):
This year's Webby for lifetime achievement, Stephen Wilhite
Leo Laporte (00:04:51):
I God, he's so young. What year was this? I think it's two years come. Believe it or not. I don't think it's too long. No way. No. You think it think it's, uh, will height passed away earlier today of COVID complications for COVID the age of 74? Oh no. I know. Still people wear your damn masks around people. Yeah. Get your boosters.
Speaker 4 (00:05:12):
Oh, oh. So,
Leo Laporte (00:05:15):
And uh, I have one of those spring awards as well. Springy little IIes Standing. Oh, from a crowd who never knew a world without a jist five words. Right? You got five words.
Video (00:05:30):
Instead of speaking as five words tonight, Steve is using his own invention, uh, to accept his award.
Leo Laporte (00:05:39):
It's pronounced JIF Not GIF yes. You tell it for those who don't know. That was a tradition. It still is. I guess, at the WEBBY awards, you get five it's short acceptance speech. You get five words.
Ant Pruitt (00:06:01):
That's Awesome
Leo Laporte (00:06:02):
Pronounced Jiff, not Kip.
Jeff Jarvis (00:06:04):
That's very funny. Very funny
Leo Laporte (00:06:05):
Anyway, uh,
Jeff Jarvis (00:06:07):
For the day I too will say, JIF
Leo Laporte (00:06:11):
Are you a hard G kind of guy? Oh
Jeff Jarvis (00:06:13):
God. Yes. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:06:15):
I am too. And I don't know, but he did in fact, very famously. Well, you saw, you saw yourself, it's a graphical. Yeah. It's a graphic interchange format. Yeah. Um, but you know what it's, this is his day. It's his day. It's his day. It's his day.
Jeff Jarvis (00:06:31):
What else did he do?
Leo Laporte (00:06:32):
Not much.
Ant Pruitt (00:06:34):
That was enough.
Leo Laporte (00:06:36):
Uh, actually that was
Jeff Jarvis (00:06:38):
Say about us Leo
Leo Laporte (00:06:39):
2013. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:39):
I was gonna say
Leo Laporte (00:06:40):
Yeah, right. We did more than we did. That was 2013. That was, uh, eight, nine years ago. Okay. Oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:47):
Okay. That makes a lot more sense. Yeah,
Leo Laporte (00:06:49):
It does. Yeah. And, um, it was created for CompuServe. He worked at CompuServe and actually the interesting story here is, uh, he did it on his, in his spare time and didn't bring it into CompuServe until he had gotten it just so, so, um,
Ant Pruitt (00:07:10):
And now you can easily create them on your weak little smartphones.
Leo Laporte (00:07:14):
Yeah. Although, as I said, the gifs originally were not, uh, necessarily animated. It was just a, a compressed, uh, format, graphics, interchange format. Um, but it was very important to the development of the web. It, uh, end Compuserve and all the online services, cuz they were very small, very compressed. And so you could get a, a very tiny, um, little, little thing flying
Ant Pruitt (00:07:39):
Speed up those low times. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:07:41):
I wonder if I can find 74. Yeah. 74 left his wife, uh, behind. And uh, she asked everybody to say JIF
Ant Pruitt (00:07:53):
That's what's up
Leo Laporte (00:07:54):
Yeah. Yeah. I, as I remember, it was not an unencumbered format I think Sperry UNAC. Remember that Jeff?owned the uh, uh, the, um, compression algorithm.
Jeff Jarvis (00:08:08):
Yes,
Leo Laporte (00:08:08):
I think so. And there was an issue because they had the patent and so, uh, for uny rather had it, well, it was spy UNAC before it was uny. So, um, when will height released it? 1987. It could, it was used legitimately, um, sort of, but there was a controversy over the licensing agreement between uny and CompuServe. And that's why ping arose in 19 94 0 7 years later. Okay. Ping was a replacement for you. In fact, a much improved placement replacement for Jeff.
Jeff Jarvis (00:08:44):
I'm reading right now. Bamboozled at the Revolution.
Leo Laporte (00:08:49):
Oh, I wanna read that
Jeff Jarvis (00:08:50):
It's 10 years old.
Leo Laporte (00:08:52):
Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (00:08:53):
But it's, it's, it's about media companies utterly screwing up the internet, not knowing what to do and, and, and the stories, some stories that I'm not in it, but I was involved in some of these stories, like when Time Inc. And, and Connie S wanted to buy Alta Vista, uh, Pathfinder, all these things, but it was, it was the time of CompuServe and Prodigy and AOL and everybody guessing which one of those was going to win.
Leo Laporte (00:09:15):
Yeah. We didn't know. Did we Google didn't exist yet? Uh, yeah. The first JIF I saw was, as I mentioned, the, and I was blown away. I remember vividly seeing it in, I think in 1994 with an Netscape navigator browser, the web was static, static still. And this compass, the points on the compass were moving. And I was, I, I can remember my jaw dropping.
Jeff Jarvis (00:09:35):
I was so stupid. I remember they did that at one of the Conde-Nast sites we started and, and our site, our pages were too slow. And I said, well, that, that, that, that animated thing is constantly using bandwidth. And they said, no,
Ant Pruitt (00:09:46):
Jeff, no
Jeff Jarvis (00:09:47):
Like that.
Leo Laporte (00:09:49):
Oh, wow. Wow. Well, but you weren't wrong in order to do it. They had to download all the frames. GIFS could be, I'm sorry. JIFS could be quite big because, uh, you had to download the whole thing and then it animated it by going through cycling through the frames. Anyway, uh, that, that's how we begin the show. Farewell, Mr. Wilhite a farewell to Mr. Wilhite. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I, I think you still see GIFS everywhere. Oh, thank you. The patent, uh, expired. And so didn't have to be pings, pings, support animations, but these are all animated. Jifs on the, uh,
Jeff Jarvis (00:10:29):
What would discord be without them? I
Leo Laporte (00:10:32):
Know. Or
Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:33):
Slack, social media.
Leo Laporte (00:10:34):
Yeah. Or Twitter and, oh my God. There's my head being shaved. Uh,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:39):
I send them to, um, I send them to my family via my phone.
Leo Laporte (00:10:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:45):
So
Ant Pruitt (00:10:46):
Yeah, the family communication is usually in jifs.
Leo Laporte (00:10:48):
Here's a question is the Google are the Google animated thumbs and all those, those are, are those jifs too, I wonder. Or are they using probably more
Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:57):
Their they're emojis, their gifs, their stickers and those animated things. What are those called?
Leo Laporte (00:11:04):
Well, I mean, they may, I'm just asking what the background technology is. If it's J I know. Yeah. It's really hard to say Jeff. It
Jeff Jarvis (00:11:11):
Is, it's really hard. I'm impressed. You can that's. I, I can't. No,
Ant Pruitt (00:11:15):
I'm glad to hear you say it cuz I'm never at it the other way. But then again, every time I'm around smart folks,
Leo Laporte (00:11:21):
Like you are no, there's no, right. If we're gonna say there's a right way to say it, we're gonna give Steve Willi the pride of, of telling us how,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:30):
I don't know. You said it doesn't matter to him anymore.
Leo Laporte (00:11:33):
It matter to him when he was alive cold. He is harsh.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:37):
That's when you should have said it,
Leo Laporte (00:11:39):
He did over and over. And did we ignore him? You know? That's
Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:43):
Yes. That's when you should have said it. Not now when it doesn't. I mean, yeah, sorry. I'm not cold. It's just realistic.
Leo Laporte (00:11:52):
I'm loving that. Uh, boy, the Lapsis gang has been very busy. The LA extortion group, uh, they, they hacked Microsoft leaked out 36 gigabytes of source code for windows, for Cortana and for Bing, who wants it even wants to run their own B. Now they've breached something called Okta. And uh, anybody who's done enterprise security or it knows Okta very well. It's used as a second form of authentication. Uh, punitively I'll use that word cuz I don't know why. Cause I'm a show because
Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:33):
You need 50 cents or
Leo Laporte (00:12:34):
A dollar 50 cents punitively. It is more secure than a text message. Maybe not today. Maybe not today. The lapses digital extortion gang, it's been very busy and they publish this on their telegram channel. Okta says, okay, we're not saying they didn't do something, but it was on January 21st and it was one account and we've constrained the damage. And so we probably, uh, you don't have to worry.
Jeff Jarvis (00:13:05):
Can I ask my dumb question of the
Leo Laporte (00:13:07):
Day? Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (00:13:08):
What does releasing the source code being actually do?
Leo Laporte (00:13:12):
Nothing is of it's. So I mean, obviously it's a, it's a proprietary, right? It's a, it's a company secret. I mean, it's not like if you got the recipe for Coca-Cola you could make Coca-Cola it's not like if you got the recipe for Bing, you could make Bing, this is more of a bragging right. Of look, I got you. You it's interesting.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:33):
Okay. I am on Twitter. I'll just be honest. But a Bloomberg reporter, William Turton is saying that he's got a story coming up that he's saying that a 16 year old living in his mother's house in Oxford, England is suspected to be the mastermind behind many of the hacks conducted by the hacking group lapses
Leo Laporte (00:13:50):
A 16 year old living in his modest basement.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:53):
Okay. Probably just to his mom's house because yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:13:57):
We're, we're gonna put him in the basement trying to be Nope. Sleeping on a co in the basement I guarantee. And he's yeah. Wow. He's 16.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:08):
Well, this is, this is what this reporter is.
Leo Laporte (00:14:10):
Oh, I believe
Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:11):
It filed his story yet. I
Leo Laporte (00:14:12):
Took what else there
Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:13):
Did
Jeff Jarvis (00:14:13):
They do? What else did this
Leo Laporte (00:14:15):
Group? Lapses has been around there? So that's interesting cuz it's that, that says it's not by the way, uh, Russian state, state actors, state, or state actors. Yeah. Turns out any, any old body could do that. Uh, I first heard their name a couple of weeks ago on security now. And I'm trying to remember, uh, what it, what it was. Um, they are, they are asking for money. That's why their name laps U S ends in a dollar sign, which sounds like to be honest, something a 16 year old living in his mom's house might do. Oh, by the way. Yeah. This is clever. It's two SS. One's a dollar sign.
Ant Pruitt (00:14:53):
We're not gonna be like cash app. We're gonna put it at the
Leo Laporte (00:14:55):
End. Uh, they, they, uh, first one of their first victims was the Brazilian ministry of health, 50 terabytes worth of data stolen and deleted among that. Uh, COVID 19 pandemic in information took 'em a month before they could get their systems up and running in. That's a nice little hack. Isn't that sweet Invidia Phil claim to failed victim to a cybersecurity in incident attributed to lapses last month, they that's the one where they stole a terabyte of, uh, data, including employee passwords from invi, Samsung confirmed the data had been breached in attack, including source code relating to the galaxy smartphones. You know, this is sounding more and more like a 16 year old who would want the source code and well,
Ant Pruitt (00:15:42):
Why can't we go after these folks and hire them and give them jobs?
Leo Laporte (00:15:47):
Well, I bet he gets a job in about four years after he gets outta juvie lapses, a also claims to compromised video game developer, U soft, uh, and the company said, yeah, well we did have to reset passwords across the organization. So not much. Now this is from a ZD net article. Uh, today obviously they don't have the sources. Our Bloomberg reporter has, uh, not much is known about lapses itself other than it's a cyber criminal gang. I'm gonna put that in quotes. Yeah. Believe to operate out of south America, that hacks in the networks of large organizations to steal data and extort payments wrong, they're
Ant Pruitt (00:16:27):
Wrong, tidy, wrong or daily city.
Leo Laporte (00:16:29):
They publish the information on a telegram. Um, they seem to have a variety of techniques, uh, including phishing emails and uh, exploiting public facing remote desktop protocol, uh, uh, installations. So who's the guy, uh, it's on Bloomberg. Wanna see this article? His
Stacey Higginbotham (00:16:54):
Name is William Turton. So at William Turton, T U R T O N. He is a Bloomberg reporter.
Ant Pruitt (00:17:01):
I stuck the tweet on line 17 next to this story for
Leo Laporte (00:17:04):
You. Oh good. That's hysterical. 16 year old living in his mother's house.
Ant Pruitt (00:17:07):
You got it.
Leo Laporte (00:17:08):
Wow. Uh, yeah. I I'll look forward to seeing the full story. That's quite Mr. Turton.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:14):
Yeah. I was like, it
Leo Laporte (00:17:16):
Is a indeed.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:17):
Yeah, of course. It's Bloomberg and didn't they publish some of the other crazy stuff. Let's see.
Leo Laporte (00:17:21):
I don't, you know, I still think Bloomberg's good. I,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:24):
Yeah, I, I was like, that's why I was like, who is this dude? Oh, okay.
Leo Laporte (00:17:28):
Yeah. Bloomberg. Yeah. That's probably despite the, the super micro reporting, which they've never, uh, never changed or retracted. Never retracted. Never proved, but never disproved. Uh, I don't think it re it didn't tarnish them as much as it should have, although you're not alone. Stacy. Everybody, when they hear Bloomberg now a story like this says, oh yeah. Super micro guys. Okay. Um,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:53):
Yeah, I'm on Bloomberg cuz I ha I pay the money for I and I do think it's I didn't do the story yet, so yeah. We'll
Leo Laporte (00:18:00):
See. Okay. Wow. What a story? Thank you for flying that. See, I'm glad you were on Twitter.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:09):
I just, the reason I was on Twitter was I was pushing my, uh, my talk Mar or my, our what's that called help me book club, book, club, book club,
Leo Laporte (00:18:19):
Boy. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:20):
I was pushing the book club. I saw that aunt had pushed out something.
Leo Laporte (00:18:23):
Did you find that John Roach obituary? Is that what you put
Jeff Jarvis (00:18:26):
Was the uh, yes. I just put that in there.
Leo Laporte (00:18:28):
So the, this just in, from Twitter, I have never heard of this guy, but he was a pioneer of the personal computer. John Roach dead at 83. He helped make the home computer ubiquitous says the New York times a bit by introducing the fully assembled Tandy T RS 80, which was so novel at times. He also
Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:46):
Looks like you, Leo.
Ant Pruitt (00:18:47):
Wow. How many cousins you have out here, man?
Jeff Jarvis (00:18:52):
Your DNA is everywhere.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:55):
Good Lord.
Leo Laporte (00:18:59):
Yep.
Ant Pruitt (00:18:59):
Here's the N avatar. I
Leo Laporte (00:19:00):
Can't believe all three of you said that at the same time. Holy crap. It must be true. Um, that was in 1986 when he was chairman and chief executive of the Tandy court. Well,
Jeff Jarvis (00:19:11):
You could look, scroll down and see what just gonna look like it a few years there.
Leo Laporte (00:19:14):
Oh boy. Actually. That's a good question. Yeah, I think that's right. I think, I think I look like that now. Uh, that's actually, uh, 2009 that's 13 years ago, so, oh, uh, he was, uh, so you know when he's the chairman of the company, not sure I give you full credit for our inventing,
Ant Pruitt (00:19:33):
Actually putting it together. Yeah. Nuts and bolts. If you will.
Leo Laporte (00:19:36):
Uh, the Ts 80 was beloved by some called the trash 80 by others. $600 through a radio shack. Uh, it was the first computer for a lot of people listening, uh, right now. Very, very, very popular. I
Ant Pruitt (00:19:49):
Never had one, but my cousin, the,
Leo Laporte (00:19:51):
Yeah, it's like that. I wish I'd had one. I went over to my cousin's house to play with it. That kind of,
Ant Pruitt (00:19:56):
And he didn't know what the heck he was doing with it. Yeah. It was a break for the most part.
Leo Laporte (00:20:01):
I did not have one either. Uh, alright. So enough. Uh, people pass away don't they
Jeff Jarvis (00:20:07):
Come in threes. Uh, who knows who's going next?
Leo Laporte (00:20:10):
Do from your vast experience, said entertainment weekly. Is that true? Jeff?
Jeff Jarvis (00:20:14):
It just seems so because you then go back and take of the two prior deaths and say, oh, they come in three. Right? Well actually that's that is the third thing. That is the third death. Oh, hold on one second back.
Leo Laporte (00:20:25):
Oh, he's Jeff don't die. You don't need Re you don't don't we don't need to make you the third it's okay. Think
Jeff Jarvis (00:20:33):
Of which this is the last print edition.
Leo Laporte (00:20:36):
Oh, that just so is it, this just came out
Stacey Higginbotham (00:20:41):
Speaking of
Leo Laporte (00:20:41):
Death, but Barry dill, but there
Jeff Jarvis (00:20:43):
We go. There's the third
Leo Laporte (00:20:44):
Barry dill killed it,
Jeff Jarvis (00:20:46):
Uh, with its, with its cover billing. Um,
Leo Laporte (00:20:49):
Is that JD Lang on the cover?
Jeff Jarvis (00:20:50):
The future of Hollywood is JD JD Lang. That was rather controversial for me. Yes.
Ant Pruitt (00:20:56):
Wait a minute. So the Kenobi one is the last one.
Leo Laporte (00:20:58):
Yeah. Oh, so, oh the, oh, the one in your right hand is the first one. That's
Jeff Jarvis (00:21:02):
The first one.
Leo Laporte (00:21:03):
Oh, okay. I was wondering why they were doing a cover story on Katie Lang is their very last, um, episode. Okay. There you go. Star wars related. It's OB one Kenobi
Jeff Jarvis (00:21:14):
And the future of
Leo Laporte (00:21:15):
Hollywood. Uh, you Andre as OB one. Uh, not, not the only one. True Obi one Alec Guinness. Um, OB one. Yeah. Goodbye entertainment weekly.
Jeff Jarvis (00:21:27):
Bye baby. Bye. Bye. My baby.
Leo Laporte (00:21:30):
Hey, you might be interested. Ron Richards, the host of all about Android tweeted. Got my last issue of entertainment weekly today in the mail as someone who subscribed in year one, back in 1991, I have a lot of emotions seems fitting. The last cover would be star wars related, goodbye, entertainment weekly. I I'll miss you. Most of all. So Ron
Jeff Jarvis (00:21:50):
Here was issue. Number two.
Leo Laporte (00:21:52):
Do you have them all
Jeff Jarvis (00:21:53):
Tim? O'Briens the things they carried.
Leo Laporte (00:21:55):
Oh, that was amazing book.
Jeff Jarvis (00:21:56):
I was told this was a wow. I was an amazing book, but it was not exactly something they didn't tell me there were selling this on the newsstand. I thought it was a subscription only magazine as a circulation director said it was the only magazine, uh, camouflage on the newsstand.
Leo Laporte (00:22:08):
Well, also since it was 1991, we were out of Vietnam. So I'm not sure I really understand the headline. Why can't we get out of Vietnam?
Jeff Jarvis (00:22:18):
Well, cause we can't get out of our heads
Ant Pruitt (00:22:21):
Now call me ignorant, which I'm sure a lot of you do is, is this available on newsstand?
Leo Laporte (00:22:26):
It
Ant Pruitt (00:22:27):
Was not
Jeff Jarvis (00:22:28):
Last. Yes it is. It is.
Leo Laporte (00:22:29):
Oh, we can run out and get it. Yeah. Collect items.
Ant Pruitt (00:22:33):
Get one. I, I used to get, seems like I remember having my hands on an EEW and I don't remember ever subscribing, but I remember having my hands on one and throwing a couple of away here and there. Um, but yeah, I would like to have that one. I
Leo Laporte (00:22:45):
Have star wars. I have her third death Madeline. All right. Just died.
Ant Pruitt (00:22:50):
Yes. Barbara, you say
Jeff Jarvis (00:22:51):
I sit in our world. Yeah, she did.
Leo Laporte (00:22:53):
She was the first female secretary of state. Uh, oh man. Yeah. 84. So I guess we have three. So stop it. There it is. Knock it off no more, no more. Uh, if you're worried about, about cyber attacks, you're not alone. The president spoke earlier this week saying get ready. They're coming this article in new Yorker by Sue Halper the threat of Russian cyber attacks, looms large. We had a warning last week from the intelligence, uh, community. Uh,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:23:28):
This is an of the shields up program that was launched when, uh, Russia invaded Ukraine back in February, this is specifically targeting Satcom. And I don't know if y'all remember me talking about space force being legit. Yes. This is actually talking about Ukraine had attacked via set satellites soon or sorry. Russia had attacked via set satellites soon after they invaded. And this is an extension of that. So basically CSUN and FBI put out a warning this week and said, we already told all the infrastructure people to, to get ready and make sure that you've got your plans in place. Now we're doing a specific one for
Leo Laporte (00:24:12):
Satellite people,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:13):
The Setcom industry. Yeah. Um, and they are hearing credible like beforehand, there weren't really any credible threats. It was just like, get ready. Y'all um, so we
Leo Laporte (00:24:24):
Assumed the, that they would do it. I had to
Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:25):
Put my 2 cents
Leo Laporte (00:24:26):
In there. One of the questions everybody's been asking is why haven't they yet really done an all out attack? And in this article, uh, the author kind of says, well, once you can start dropping bombs, a cyber attack, isn't, you know, you're just gonna drop more bombs. Um, they took out, uh, when they took out ViaSat right before the invasion that was to take out, uh, Ukraine, internet, but ViaSat is used by the military in the United States, uh, as well as the, uh, Ukrainian army and number of Western militaries, the us military says, uh, the attack did not affect us. Uh, they use ViaSat for some battle management system. So you can see why you would want to take that out before you invaded. The real question is though, uh, you know, Russia's been using Ukraine as a testing ground for years, more than a decade, why they haven't unleashed the hounds of hacking, uh, on Ukraine or on us Biden said, I have previously warned about potential that Russia could conduct malicious cyber activity against the us, including as a response to the unprecedented economic costs.
Leo Laporte (00:25:34):
We've imposed on Russia, alongside our allies and partners. It's part of Russia's playbook today. My administration is reiterating those warnings based on evolving intelligence that the Russian government is explaining options for potential old cyber attacks. So yeah, CIS been saying, put your shields up. In fact, I saw a tweet that's actually, it was a good tweet this morning saying, okay, you wanna help, you know, the fight against Ukraine, update your routers, you know, secure your systems because a lot of times that's exactly what happens is, is normal people like you and me, our routers are vulnerable. Steve did a whole thing yesterday on security now about micro tick routers, which have updated firmware, but nobody has updated. Lots of people have not updated them. And they're used in then massive DDoS attacks they're called,
Ant Pruitt (00:26:20):
Did he have a utility up to
Leo Laporte (00:26:22):
Check? He did not write a utility, but, but his strong suggestion was to anybody, not just someone using a micro tick router, but anybody, uh, using a router should check to make sure they have the latest firmware, because if there is a flaw on the router, yeah, you could very well be part of attack on the Ukraine, on Ukraine or on the us.
Ant Pruitt (00:26:41):
Now, according to my YouTube history, about three weeks ago, we talked about on Twitter, um, a potential cyber attack from the us on the offensive towards right. Russia. Uh, you, you think we're capable
Leo Laporte (00:26:57):
Of well there's so it's interesting. There's um, there's speculation in Halperin's our about, uh, why it hasn't happened. She quotes a fellow at Hoover institution who says, if you're already at a stage in a conflict where you're willing to drop bombs, you're gonna drop bombs, but she says it also may be Russia never had the capability. It's adversaries ascribed to it in the first place. I'm not sure that's true. Or it may be that the Russian generals prosecuting the war skeptical of relying on weapons, composed of zeros or ones. I could believe that or that the Russians. And I think this is the most likely. And I think this is what we talked about three weeks ago, trying to replicate their earlier attacks, but Ukraine's digital defenses, which are much stronger now, successfully offended them off. And I think Stacy uey also saying that that the attention, the million, the us has pumped, uh, I think 18 million so far with a pledge for 30, more into Ukraine, cyber defense. And we've done much of the same thing with CSA here in the United States. Mm I, is it I'm, I wouldn't be surprised if we just, I think we were talking about this. Uh, we just, or maybe a little more hardened than we thought I still wouldn't be complacent.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:10):
Well, and I also, I, I think we have been investing in that. There's good news there, but I also, I, I made this point a couple weeks ago is once Russia does that, especially if they do this here in the, and it causes a loss of life, we're gonna treat that like we would a, a physical attack and we will enter. Yeah,
Leo Laporte (00:28:32):
Yeah,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:33):
Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:28:34):
So that may be another reason that although
Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:37):
They, I mean yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:28:39):
At be willing
Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:39):
To still going.
Leo Laporte (00:28:41):
Yeah. Uh, I wouldn't, I wouldn't count on it. Let's take a little break. We got more uplifting news. This has been a, a grim downer of a opening segment. So we're gonna cheer you up with something. A funny, uh, it's
Speaker 8 (00:28:54):
AOR, panic,
Leo Laporte (00:28:55):
Funny TikTok, anything you got just, you know, get it ready,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:59):
More death and more. Okay.
Speaker 8 (00:29:00):
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Leo Laporte (00:29:03):
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Jeff Jarvis (00:34:14):
Well, the worst part of it is yeah, that they're told to take down legal but harmful content without the government defining what is harmful. So if you don't figure out what's harmful to take it down, your Ru is you're in
Leo Laporte (00:34:25):
Trouble. Oh boy. Yeah. They don't have obviously the first amendment, cuz that would be unconstitutional in the United States. Yep. For the government to tell anybody what they can or cannot say is, uh, is against the, the first amendment, the, to include liability for senior management and not just companies has been called the Nickle law Downing street obviously. Oh
Jeff Jarvis (00:34:49):
That's why obviously let's get Nick let's. Nick does not, did not leave a lot. A
Leo Laporte (00:34:54):
Trail of friends behind when he left the, uh, government in uh, the UK he's of course now, uh, senior I've seen, I think he's a president of global operations at Facebook and apparently he could be found criminally liable. Uh, now you, you you'll have to destroy evidence, give false information to the regulator or obstruct officials from entering company offices. So I doubt Nick will be doing any of that, but it is
Jeff Jarvis (00:35:21):
He'll have someone else to it. Five. Yes. Wow.
Leo Laporte (00:35:25):
Uh, the UK government hopes to of course got PS Johnson's support hopes to pass the law by the end of the year or early next year, the,
Jeff Jarvis (00:35:33):
It became a hot mess. They just threw in the kitchen sink. This includes the need for anybody showing pornography to get age verification. Can we talk about privacy violations of problems and, and,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:42):
And data. Yeah,
Leo Laporte (00:35:43):
It is gonna go. And let me tell you the places they're talking about to get Ave, age verification include pubs. Yeah. You go down your 16 years old, you go down to your pub to show them your ID to so that you and I
Jeff Jarvis (00:35:56):
Have a, a pipe and some porn,
Leo Laporte (00:35:58):
Not a good idea. Uh, the safe Harbor principle, uh, which is essentially their section two 30 also would be rolled back. Um, while some of the tougher parts of the legislation, the information rights appear controversial in tech circles. Yes. The Boris Johnson led government is confident. The public largely supports the bill. Think of the children.
Jeff Jarvis (00:36:24):
It's well, it's the same. As, as, as the hearing going on in Washington right now, hide be hide your authoritarianism behind child porn. You can do anything moral panic.
Leo Laporte (00:36:35):
Okay. Well, you know, what are you gonna do? They've got the snoopers charter. There's all sorts of stuff going on in the UK. I, I would hope we would be smart enough not to do here. Let's hope. Let's
Jeff Jarvis (00:36:49):
Hope. I would hope so. Let's say also added, they added in no cyber flashing.
Leo Laporte (00:36:54):
Didn't know that wait, cyber flashing.
Jeff Jarvis (00:36:57):
Uh, that is, uh, you
Leo Laporte (00:36:58):
Know, maybe I shouldn't ask
Jeff Jarvis (00:37:00):
And sending a picture of, you know, what to a young
Leo Laporte (00:37:02):
Person. Oh, that's cyber flashing. That's a new way of putting it. No,
Jeff Jarvis (00:37:05):
It was taking over the world.
Leo Laporte (00:37:06):
Apparently it is. Uh, we've gotta do something. Think of the children,
Jeff Jarvis (00:37:10):
But they also, uh, buy the favor. Would
Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:13):
I would like actually not to get unsolicited pics. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:37:16):
Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:17):
Cyber that's. Okay. I mean, I'm for that we,
Leo Laporte (00:37:19):
If, if somebody were to do that and not anybody I know, would you want them to be thrown in jail?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:27):
Um, I would like the opportunity to press charges and have them. Yeah, actually. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:37:32):
Yeah. Well, if a sex offender, you know
Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:35):
What register, keep your penis to yourself.
Leo Laporte (00:37:36):
Keep it to yourself, buddy. No one
Jeff Jarvis (00:37:39):
Show title for you.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:42):
I'm just saying,
Leo Laporte (00:37:45):
Uh, money laundering and human
Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:46):
Trafficking. I mean, I will,
Leo Laporte (00:37:47):
Are also included also equally awful, um, removing legal, but harmful content is the most controversial as you said, Jeff, it's nasty, but it's not illegal. Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (00:38:04):
But, but if the government tells you to take it out, becomes the fact illegal.
Leo Laporte (00:38:07):
Right.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:09):
Right. And it's not just child porn. I mean, there are things like, there are no laws right now. Well, in some places against up skirt photos, but you know, a of
Leo Laporte (00:38:16):
That should be illegal. Not, I agree. I agree. Yeah. It should be
Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:20):
Go, you know, you're like, do you go in and make legal rulings for every creepy things? Like, oh, this guy installed a bathroom camera and stuck those in there. It said its own brand of like,
Leo Laporte (00:38:29):
That's a fair argument.
Jeff Jarvis (00:38:31):
That's already illegal in the real world. Right. I mean, but it's not flashing is already illegals.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:38):
Yeah. But sending a photo of your penis is not sending excuse. Is it an unsolicited photo? I
Jeff Jarvis (00:38:44):
Don't know.
Ant Pruitt (00:38:44):
Is it? No, it's not
Leo Laporte (00:38:46):
Illegal unsolicited. Oh, well that's good to know.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:47):
It's not an UNS. No,
Leo Laporte (00:38:51):
I'm joking.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:52):
I mean, you might like if you're doing it at a company you might get like HR might fall. Oh
Leo Laporte (00:38:56):
Yeah. You get a lot. You get a lot of trouble to
Ant Pruitt (00:38:57):
Get in trouble, but is not against the law.
Leo Laporte (00:39:00):
Well, I don't
Stacey Higginbotham (00:39:00):
Against
Leo Laporte (00:39:01):
The law. We should. I don't know. We should
Stacey Higginbotham (00:39:03):
A lawyer. Now if you send, if you send a picture of your penis to a minor,
Ant Pruitt (00:39:08):
Minor, that's
Leo Laporte (00:39:08):
The definitely. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:39:11):
Well,
Leo Laporte (00:39:12):
But what if you,
Jeff Jarvis (00:39:14):
Your state bill, bill of the New York state Senate, I just searched this. A person is guilty of unsolicited disclosure, disclosure of an intimate image. When, with the intent to Harris and annoy or alarm, another person that's added in which serves no legitimate purpose. What legitimate purpose could it be? Yeah. Yeah. He or she sends by electronic device and unsolicited image for another per such person. So there's these things are,
Leo Laporte (00:39:35):
But a will. It's not illegal. That's interesting in
Jeff Jarvis (00:39:38):
California. Yeah. There's a flash act in California. Yeah. Um, so there's a lot of stuff coming along the, the pike.
Leo Laporte (00:39:45):
So maybe it'd be better to, but
Stacey Higginbotham (00:39:46):
For the longest time
Leo Laporte (00:39:48):
Specific laws against specific things, or you think there's just such a wide range that you can't,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:39:53):
There's such a wide range. I mean, so, and I I'm saying this as someone who has watched, uh, men harassing women on digital platforms play out in a lot of different ways.
Leo Laporte (00:40:05):
Totally agree.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:40:06):
It's not just men. Totally agree. Um, there are not in a lot of cases, laws to police departments aren't interested in prosecuting right. This or able to, no,
Leo Laporte (00:40:17):
You have to threaten, uh, death or put somebody in fear for their life for them to go after. Uh,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:40:24):
But it is,
Leo Laporte (00:40:26):
And that's very black and that's horrible. Yeah. And, but you understand the concern is that it might also be a satiric comic about Boris Johnson's hair or a likening president. She, the P and that's the problem is you have to be specific enough to get the balance. The
Jeff Jarvis (00:40:42):
Law has to be specific. It's, it's unconstitutional to be so unspecific that you don't know what the law is. Yeah. That's the issue, right? Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:40:49):
And, and this does not cover all those bases and we've, we've historically been very bad at labeling. I mean, even we'll know when we see it. Um, and part of it is I'm gonna just be honest it's because men tend to write our laws and enforce them. And a lot of whooo the harms of some of this. So I'm just gonna throw that out there. Hey, speaking of bad laws, I just are, y'all playing the tech dirts March madness. Most misunder stood legal concept. It
Jeff Jarvis (00:41:19):
Is pretty funny.
Leo Laporte (00:41:20):
Oh no. This is their brackets. Their version of the brackets.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:25):
It's the legal misunderstanding March. Oh, you did? Okay.
Leo Laporte (00:41:29):
No, I to
Jeff Jarvis (00:41:31):
Me's it's on the rundown.
Leo Laporte (00:41:31):
Yeah. So, uh, should we play it?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:36):
I mean, you could, you just have to fill out your spreadsheet and
Leo Laporte (00:41:39):
Do it. Oh, you do it yourself. I get it. Okay.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:41):
Yeah. It's not, it's not like super fancy. I think Mike was just like, we'll give it a whirl, But they're good. Section two 30 S on there,
Leo Laporte (00:41:49):
Here. Here's the bracket. Uh, oh, this is nice. It's a Google sheet. Yeah. 20, 22 legal misunderstanding. March madness. First amendment rules of evidence. Which one? So what you're predicting is,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:03):
But most misunderstood,
Jeff Jarvis (00:42:04):
More, more misunderstood.
Leo Laporte (00:42:05):
And how are they gonna determine that?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:08):
Uh, guess
Jeff Jarvis (00:42:09):
They're gonna,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:11):
I'm gonna say the number of cases. No, no.
Jeff Jarvis (00:42:12):
Cause they're, they're compiling. They are compiling this and I saw the numbers. So section two 30 versus something else was like 87%.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:19):
I think it was HIPAA. Wasn't
Jeff Jarvis (00:42:20):
It? Versus 13%
Leo Laporte (00:42:23):
It's based on a poll or something. Here's HIPAA. This is the poll. So the first, no, this is not a poll. This is your vote for which is misunderstood. This is your prediction.
Jeff Jarvis (00:42:32):
That's misunderstood.
Leo Laporte (00:42:33):
Guess so. I'm, you're misunderstanding the point of this.
Jeff Jarvis (00:42:39):
That's
Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:39):
It's what you think is I misunderstood,
Leo Laporte (00:42:42):
Right? The question is, how are they gonna know who wins?
Jeff Jarvis (00:42:47):
Well, let's read Mike. Maybe he tells us,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:49):
Oh, you no, no, you save it. And then you tweet it. Bracket, you take a screenshot and you say, share it to him. Yeah. So it's just,
Leo Laporte (00:42:58):
I understand the vote. But somebody has to say, who won? Who's
Jeff Jarvis (00:43:01):
Tabulating said
Stacey Higginbotham (00:43:02):
Votes. Oh, Mike is tabulating it.
Leo Laporte (00:43:05):
But these aren't votes. These are predictions every day. I've got it. I'm sorry. I had to write, read the article. I'm the one who never heard of this. You guys are the ones who each day that this is running, Tector says we will be posting Twitter polls of the competing legal concepts to see which one is misunderstood the most. Oh, the winner will advance to the next round. Eventually crowning the most misunderstood legal concept. 2022. What do you, I mean, there's quite a few of them.
Jeff Jarvis (00:43:34):
Section two
Leo Laporte (00:43:35):
35th amendment Sherman act fair use obstruction of justice. ADA insider training. First
Stacey Higginbotham (00:43:40):
Amendment is pretty common, you know,
Leo Laporte (00:43:45):
Which is more misunderstood. The hatch act or the unre act.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:43:51):
I don't know,
Leo Laporte (00:43:52):
Which is more misunderstood
Jeff Jarvis (00:43:53):
Going on here.
Leo Laporte (00:43:54):
The 25th amendment hearsay. These are, this is hard.
Jeff Jarvis (00:43:59):
I sense, Kathy Gillis involved in this.
Leo Laporte (00:44:01):
Who's gonna
Stacey Higginbotham (00:44:02):
Who's wait, what is the 25th amendment? Hold on.
Leo Laporte (00:44:04):
That's the right against unreasonable. No, no, wait a minute. That's
Stacey Higginbotham (00:44:07):
No, no, that's not. No
Leo Laporte (00:44:09):
Idea. The 25th amendment is the, is the right to vote for women. What is it looking up quick?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:44:14):
I'm looking, I'm looking, it lays out the transition of power for P president.
Leo Laporte (00:44:18):
Oh, that's the crazy president one. Yeah. I knew I'd heard that recently.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:44:23):
So wait, wait, what was it? Crazy president
Leo Laporte (00:44:25):
Hearsay versus crazy president.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:44:28):
Boo hearsay. Nobody understands hearsay.
Leo Laporte (00:44:31):
Hearsay is the one. All I know is when you're watching, you know, law and order and the attorney jumps up and says, that's hearsay, your honor, because it's not my eyewitness thing. I'm reporting somebody. Else's eyewitness thing.
Jeff Jarvis (00:44:46):
I think that's pretty well
Stacey Higginbotham (00:44:47):
Understood. Someone else heard something
Leo Laporte (00:44:48):
It's understood cuz of TV. The 25th amendment is pretty well understood because of nevermind because
Stacey Higginbotham (00:44:54):
Of the last presidential era. We
Leo Laporte (00:44:57):
Nevermind. I bet you, if you asked that question four years ago would not be well understood. No, no.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:03):
You know, actually, if you grew up in the Reagan era, cuz didn't they see
Leo Laporte (00:45:06):
Their debate either. We've been, you know what? We've been talking about the 25th amendment, since it was created, it just depends which party you're on which side you're on. How about this? It's treason versus OSHA.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:19):
OSHA.
Leo Laporte (00:45:21):
OSHA, OSHA would be O most confused. Occupational self safety and health administration. I figure treason would be more. We know what treason is confused. Although people say things are treasonous when they're it not, it is not right. Net neutrality or the CFAA. I'd have to look that up. Net neutrality, copywriter, citizens, United therea or joint, and several fire theater can
Jeff Jarvis (00:45:44):
Go and vote as a show. The
Leo Laporte (00:45:47):
Brackets there's a lot of
Jeff Jarvis (00:45:49):
Line 55 go to line 55. We can just vote in Twitter.
Leo Laporte (00:45:52):
Oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:52):
What is the CFFA C FFA.
Leo Laporte (00:45:56):
CFAA you gotta look it up.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:58):
CFAA okay. I'm looking it up. Computer fraud and abuse act. We should know
Leo Laporte (00:46:03):
This. We should know that one. That's the literal that Aaron Schwartz was prosecuted under. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:09):
Okay.
Leo Laporte (00:46:09):
This is, this is actually, you know, this is Mike's straight way of getting everybody to look these things up. Yeah,
Jeff Jarvis (00:46:15):
It is. It's genius.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:16):
He's doing a great job. Nice. I feel like I'm helping out a good cause here by looking up things I'm like,
Jeff Jarvis (00:46:22):
Right? So first amendment or rules of evidence.
Leo Laporte (00:46:25):
That's the
Jeff Jarvis (00:46:26):
First
Leo Laporte (00:46:26):
Jeff 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. We're not two of these. We are not doing the bracket. All rise. And that's just for the first round. Yeah. Then there's the sweet 16 then there's the elite eight. The final few. Yes. And the championship.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:43):
Yes. It's the final four. Isn't it?
Leo Laporte (00:46:45):
Final four.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:47):
I
Leo Laporte (00:46:47):
Was like, I told you, I don't know sport ball. He's definitely not a sport ball guy.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:54):
All right. We'll we'll come back for the final four
Jeff Jarvis (00:46:57):
Too busy making computers and, and waging Russian war
Leo Laporte (00:47:01):
Casting. My votes here. We went good. You cast your votes. We went, uh, took my daughter out to her 30th birthday, which was yesterday for dinner. Cheers, Henry. And I sitting side by side. We at the restaurant, we're looking up, there's a basketball game. Henry says, oh, why aren't they showing the March madness? And I said, well, it's basketball. He said, no, no, that's the NBA. I said, oh yeah, there's LeBron. He said, no, that's no, she's that's mess. What are you talking about?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:28):
Oh
Leo Laporte (00:47:28):
Boy. So I proved that. I know nothing.
Jeff Jarvis (00:47:32):
You are Russian.
Leo Laporte (00:47:33):
I am Russian. I am that guy. I am a deep cover. What do they call that? When you, when you, when you like in the Americans, when you're a mole and you're, and you're under deep cover and you,
Jeff Jarvis (00:47:43):
You skip the week on American sports.
Leo Laporte (00:47:47):
I forgot that. I thought say should have gone. ESP noise should have gone. Uh, that's a fun one. I like that. I like that. Uh, let's see what else here.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:58):
Yeah. I was gonna say, it's not like we have a lot of Google news to discuss, so I figured we could throw some fun stuff in here. Yeah. Uh, yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:48:06):
Through
Stacey Higginbotham (00:48:06):
The rundown.
Leo Laporte (00:48:07):
Unsolicited, there's a John. We told you no unsolicited Dick ticks
Jeff Jarvis (00:48:17):
For, for our listeners, perhaps for our listeners. You might want to explain.
Leo Laporte (00:48:21):
Okay. A Dick tick is a kind of aminal it's an ENT. Is it an ENT? I don't know.
Jeff Jarvis (00:48:28):
There's a cute, does it have hubs?
Ant Pruitt (00:48:30):
Unbelievable jammer. Be unbelievable.
Leo Laporte (00:48:36):
Uh, now I'm looking up. Dick, Dick ENT. So, uh, Dick dicks are named for the alarms calls of the females. In addition to the females alarm call, both the male and female, make a shrill whistling sound class, Malia order. Arterio Dilla, family BDI, their, their cows. Boines subfamily
Jeff Jarvis (00:48:59):
And you yell at me for trying to go through concepts of law and saying that was distracting. Geez. It is. I'm going down, tick dirt. And you're going into dicks. It
Leo Laporte (00:49:09):
Is the ultimate it ENT. I'm just saying, geez, Just telling you here's a, here's another unsolicited. I'm listening to Dick. Dick.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:20):
I'm listening to their call and it doesn't sound like Dick, Dick. It sounds like whistling.
Leo Laporte (00:49:24):
Yeah. A gosh, but their
Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:26):
Little nose does this
Jeff Jarvis (00:49:27):
A cute,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:28):
Very cute thing. It's like a little tiny elephant trunk or something. Oh my gosh.
Leo Laporte (00:49:32):
By the way.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:33):
But it looks like a
Leo Laporte (00:49:34):
Dear notes. This is from ultimate ungulate.com. Kirk's Dick. Dick is not in danger.
Ant Pruitt (00:49:41):
What? The
Leo Laporte (00:49:42):
I'm just glad if, if your name is Kurt. Congratulations.
Ant Pruitt (00:49:49):
All right.
Jeff Jarvis (00:49:49):
Let's
Leo Laporte (00:49:49):
Let's move on.
Jeff Jarvis (00:49:51):
Is an open internet Alliance from the small internet companies.
Leo Laporte (00:49:55):
Oh God. Who cares?
Ant Pruitt (00:49:57):
Oh, thank you, Mr. Jarvis.
Leo Laporte (00:49:59):
You know who else? Doesn't care. Jonah Peretti. No longer cares. Did you see this article from the defector? He, when he, well, I couldn't
Jeff Jarvis (00:50:06):
Read it all cause it's beyond a pay wall.
Leo Laporte (00:50:08):
Oh, you're right. It is. Um, I have this thing that says take down these walls, Mr. OV, he laid off a year ago, 70 employees, including 47 Huff post staffers in the us to drive long term sustainability today. He announced this was yesterday. He, once again is reducing the Buzzfeed workforce to accelerate profitability. Hey, you know what? When you're an owner, sometimes you have to do that. Well,
Jeff Jarvis (00:50:38):
He's not the owner now it's the stock market and that's the issue.
Leo Laporte (00:50:41):
Yeah. Oh, he closed basically the entire news division, I think.
Jeff Jarvis (00:50:45):
And so I, I tweet, I tweeted about this and I think it's, it's too bad. They won the pill. Surprise. They've done brilliant work.
Leo Laporte (00:50:51):
Buzzfeed news has been great, but you know what? And I even said this on the show, it's tainted because it started with Buzzfeed and you think Buzzfeed Listal well,
Jeff Jarvis (00:51:02):
But they got past that. It really got a reputation, but the problem was there was never a business model. Yeah. It was always subsidized by Buzzfeed, the Listal and, and people said, oh, this is wonderful. It's the future of news. I said, oh, I wish but never the Buzzfeed business model, Hey, we can make our stuff viral where we can make your stuff viral. Didn't come over to news. It had the same problem. Every news organization has, who wants to be next to news? Nobody. That's the problem.
Leo Laporte (00:51:26):
Peretti who news
Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:26):
Is such a bummer
Leo Laporte (00:51:27):
Was the founder had an all hands meeting, uh, following the resignation announcements from Buzzfeed news editor in chief, mark SCHs and the other top two other top editors, Nakamoto, and KA, uh, he said he's making cuts, et cetera, et cetera. And then right before the Q and a, he just leaves. He logs out and people were pretty upset set. Uh, Julia Rheinstein tweeted. I've worked at this company for seven years and I've never felt so disrespected. And seeing my CEO log out without answering a single question about why he wants to gut my newsroom. But it is, I think the point of this is, is news. Sustainable is the real question is it is can it, can, is it gonna just be the New York times, the Washington post and that's it.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:13):
It's not sustainable at the infinite profit margins. Apparently shareholders expect, right? I think news can be sustainable. You don't think news can be sustainable?
Jeff Jarvis (00:52:24):
No, no, no. What I'm I, I think that's, I think it may be going a little too far. I think that the, that yes. At the scale of the stock market, there's only three brands that bring in two thirds of the subscription models. Advertising has changed marketly cause the ad market as a whole is going down and they haven't reinvented themselves. But at a different scale, no, I still believe that it is possible to have sustainable news
Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:46):
Profit. You'd let me finish. That is exact what I was gonna say. Yay.
Jeff Jarvis (00:52:51):
You asked me. Thank you. I thought you asked me. Sorry.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:54):
No it's cuz you interrupted and then, then I I'm sorry.
Jeff Jarvis (00:52:57):
I'm sorry. I apologize. I apologize.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:59):
Apologize.
Leo Laporte (00:53:01):
It was it is
Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:02):
I you today? Sorry
Leo Laporte (00:53:03):
Jen. It is profitable. You know, I'm
Jeff Jarvis (00:53:05):
Got, people are gonna yell at me on Twitter. So I, I will get my, I will get my justice desserts for that. I apologize. I was wrong. I thought she was not wrong. Wrong.
Leo Laporte (00:53:14):
I'm sure it's my fault for not moderating this panel.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:18):
Okay. Okay.
Leo Laporte (00:53:19):
Did you go to south by Stacy? Speaking of moderating panels?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:22):
No. I was really excited to not go to south by.
Leo Laporte (00:53:25):
Oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:27):
Because I no longer live in Austin, so I no longer have to go. Oh, I
Leo Laporte (00:53:30):
Get it. Was
Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:30):
It awful? Stacy? When you lived there,
Ant Pruitt (00:53:32):
What?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:33):
You have to deal with it wasn't awful. It's just, I'd gone for like almost 20 years. Okay.
Ant Pruitt (00:53:38):
I didn't hear anything notable coming outta south by did you? All I knew was uh, TWI friend and um, Mr. We Faulkner was going and outside of that,
Leo Laporte (00:53:48):
He lives in, oh, he doesn't live in Austin. He lives in Austin. He, no, he doesn't. He moved? No, he moved. Yeah. He's like, I actually
Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:53):
Met
Ant Pruitt (00:53:53):
Wesley
Leo Laporte (00:53:53):
Somewhere. I know you introduced us in, in Austin. Yeah. Uh, Amy web or Amy Webb did her annual keynote there for her. Oh she did Institute. Yeah. Okay. There were, uh, people forget mark Zuckerberg. Did they did a panel. I thought
Ant Pruitt (00:54:10):
Was virtual though. Right? That's
Leo Laporte (00:54:11):
Virtual. Yeah. But you know, there might have been some news out.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:15):
It was crypto stuff.
Leo Laporte (00:54:17):
Yeah. Oh, oh, Hey. I recognize the sound of that. Fantastic. Samsung galaxy flips Z three boy. That sounds mighty good. You didn't even pick your own
Ant Pruitt (00:54:30):
Ring. Tone is not heavy either.
Leo Laporte (00:54:32):
It's not heavy. It's not heavy. It's Lovely folks. Actually. You still liking it. Is it okay? I do. I still good. I I'll send you a bill. Do you want it back? No. I'm
Ant Pruitt (00:54:41):
Just teasing you invoice coming. Uh,
Leo Laporte (00:54:43):
You can. No, no. I'm just teasing. I'll
Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:44):
Pay you whatever it goes for. No, no,
Leo Laporte (00:54:47):
No, no, no, no, no, no. It's yours. It's a gift, but I'm just glad you like it. I'm just curious if you liked it
Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:52):
Now don't ask me about the Cobo cuz I haven't charged that yet. I'm
Leo Laporte (00:54:55):
Sorry. The Cobo was not a gift. The Cobo was I think technically it's called a dump run. Gonna say an unsolicited
Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:06):
E-reader
Leo Laporte (00:55:07):
Yeah, it was almost as bad as uh, yeah, it was an unsolicited e-reader I, I drive by ere you,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:17):
I was curious for y'all's take maybe because you might be well versed in corporate, not malfeasance, but shady tactics. Um, the justice department asking or talking about how Google employees, the go Google has basically told its employees that if they're gonna put anything weird in an email, yes. They should loop in an attorney to keep it
Leo Laporte (00:55:39):
They're in trouble for that.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:41):
Yeah. Well it's kind of a, I'm like both, it's both like, oh clever, but also super shady.
Leo Laporte (00:55:46):
Well I'm sure they thought it was ever, but apparently it's illegal. So the justice department is in fact, uh, investigating they're accusing Google of, and this makes sense. In fact, if you were kind of naive, you might say good. This is our policy from now on, uh, the justice department said that Google teaches employees to before it, when they're sending a sensitive business communication, like we gotta shut that Facebook down. Uh, they should also CC the, uh, house council house council because they shield the documents from discovery. It is suddenly protected under attorney client privilege just by virtue of CCing them. Oh now the D I'm not saying it I'm says they're using false requests for legal advice. That is they feel
Jeff Jarvis (00:56:37):
Well. If you're actually asking for the advice that is legit, I used to have to do that in advance all the time, because it was kind of a shadow management of the company. And I had to think it's clear for the lawyers. And before I sent something out, I had to check with the lawyers and that was,
Leo Laporte (00:56:51):
I think the government might lose on this one. I mean the, the government is asking the judge to sanction, Google and compelled disclosure of more documents, documents that are hidden from them due to this, uh, attorney client privilege. But the, I think if I'm the judge, I'm gonna say, well, you have to show intent with each and every one of these. And I don't think you can. So the DOJ was saying, look, they had training sessions. They, they trained people just CC the attorney. It doesn't matter what they need is a smoking gun. They need an email, you know, from Sunar I saying whatever you do make CC an attorney.
Jeff Jarvis (00:57:24):
I was told to every time I did something. So advance is a fascinating company cause a family owned the new houses and um, they didn't have a corporate. I was the only corporate employee for a while. There. They didn't have corporate and cuz of the family. And then they had the law firm and the accountancy firm. And if you did anything that had the slightest kind of controversy, not even legally but just sense the bosses, the owners would say, did you check with the lawyers? Cause that was a, that was a means of management and a means of checking and making sure that things were gonna be passable. And so I, God, most everything I did went through the lawyers.
Leo Laporte (00:57:58):
I mean, it's look, it's, it's just still it's clear that probably Google was using this. Uh, but it's also very different to show because it's a reasonable business practice. The DOJ lawyers cited, um, uh, an email from sun BCHA, uh, to Susan Wiki, the CEO of YouTube. He was telling her how to respond to a press inquiry, but he put up at the top attorney, client privileged and copied chief legal officer, Kent Walker on it. So, but you have to, then that might be right. You have to, I mean, the DOJ would've to prove that CI Pache was doing this intentionally to hide it, as opposed to legitimately saying, wanna make sure
Jeff Jarvis (00:58:38):
From C to whom, to
Leo Laporte (00:58:40):
Who Wiki and
Jeff Jarvis (00:58:41):
Wiki. So it was internal Susan. I mean, if you did that at an external, I said gonna gonna get around, uh, and IRU here cuz I, my email to, to Zuck, I'm gonna CC that'd be a no out. Right. But internally checking things out that
Leo Laporte (00:58:54):
Seems normal. Right? Yeah. Google spokesperson said just like other American companies, we educate our employees about legal privilege and when to see legal advice and she pointed out we've produced were 4 million documents to the DOJ in this case alone, including many that employees had considered potentially privileged. Uh, I think the government's gonna lose on this one. It's worth a try. They, they, what they wanted to use as a, as a litmus test is if it's an email chain where attorneys were copied, but never responded to, uh, or,
Jeff Jarvis (00:59:28):
Uh, could have phoned.
Leo Laporte (00:59:30):
Yeah. I, you know, this is gonna be a hard one to prove. We'll see the judge, the judge may, uh, may say no you're right. Um, but we'll see, I have a feeling it's a hard thing to prove
Ant Pruitt (00:59:40):
If this were any other company, would this even have come up
Leo Laporte (00:59:44):
Well in any other antitrust point suit maybe? Uh, yes. I think the DHA probably looks for this all the time.
Ant Pruitt (00:59:52):
I, I just ask word, it just looks like some targeting it Google to me think
Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:57):
I'm it depends
Ant Pruitt (00:59:58):
Like anything, but that just seems a little too odd.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:02):
Well, you could also say X percent, like 80% of the things that we have encountered are protected by attorney client privilege. But in Microsoft, our prior case only 60% were this looks really suspicious or actually we make it more egregious. Only 20% were. So this seems usually high. I mean, I don't know, I'm not in the department of justice. Well, well,
Jeff Jarvis (01:00:25):
Except Spacey. What if, what if this case is just more clearly legally sensitive and so you do want more lawyer advice.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:33):
Yeah. But if, if you're saying of all the discovery, things that they're pulling for a greater percentage of general discovery is protected, uh, compared to another company in that position that might set off alarm bills. I don't know if it's default practice or not. I'm I'm all speculation.
Jeff Jarvis (01:00:52):
Depends on the company.
Ant Pruitt (01:00:53):
Depends on the company,
Jeff Jarvis (01:00:55):
But this is also why lawyers often rise to senior VP and
Leo Laporte (01:00:59):
That's right.
Jeff Jarvis (01:01:00):
Cause they really know the company.
Leo Laporte (01:01:04):
Yeah. Although, uh, my wife often says that she doesn't want to consult attorneys because they're not business people that they understand the law, but they're so exposure adverse their advice is always to protect themselves as much as to protect you to not do things just cuz it's risky. And she says, you know, they don't, they need, they don't temper their legal judgment with business judgment. So she'll offer,
Jeff Jarvis (01:01:31):
I've had good lawyers and companies that in time, Inc, especially where they said my job is to help you do what you want to do. Right.
Leo Laporte (01:01:40):
Let's figure out
Jeff Jarvis (01:01:41):
I'm gonna help you find the way you can do that or tell you can't. And here's why
Ant Pruitt (01:01:44):
Right. But the same can be said for HR too.
Leo Laporte (01:01:48):
Yeah. Well HR is there to protect the company. I can tell you that right now. They're not there to protect. You're always in forever. They are, they are not there to protect you. That's a very common mistake employees, man.
Ant Pruitt (01:02:00):
That's the thing employees are usually told HR is going to, to protect you. Uh, no,
Leo Laporte (01:02:06):
Uhm, they're just, just like a lawyer. They're keeping us, uh, they're preventing us from exposing giving UN unsolicited, exposing exposure. Nevermind exposure.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:16):
Especially if there's been actual exposure.
Leo Laporte (01:02:19):
Yes. No exposure. Oh there we are. Again. No exposure. I know
Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:23):
We right back there.
Leo Laporte (01:02:26):
I love this turn about is fair play. We talked about this on Mac break weekly. So apple, as you know, uh, will not let companies like, uh, Amazon with their Kindle app or their auto app or Netflix, uh, charge, uh, people in the app without giving apple 30% VI. And that's been a big issue. Uh, a lot of that's they're being, they were sued over that by app and so forth. They also have in their developer rules. And not only can you not do that, but if you're not gonna sell inside your apps, cuz you don't want to give us money. You can't tell people go somewhere else. You can't say, but you could buy this on the web click here to click here, exit out of this app. So apple had a agreement with Google on the Android store and on Android TV that if you bought something in apple TV, you wouldn't wouldn't have to give Google 30% that that agreement expired.
Leo Laporte (01:03:24):
And they have not been able to reach terms on in-app payment commissions. So apple has now a button in the apple TV app on Android and on Google TV says how to watch. And it says you can buy rent or subscribe in the apple TV app on iPhone and iPad and on other streaming devices, just not here, how, how to do it, how to get around it. This is something apple forbids. But when Google said we want our 30% apple said no and isn't that called a double standard. And we're gonna put another, a watch button, Google, uh, allows it. But uh, it's interesting. That's why apple is one of the most profitable.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:10):
Yeah. I was like, this is
Leo Laporte (01:04:12):
Yeah, I guess. But I just
Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:16):
It's in some ways it's kind of like what's happening in politics. Like Democrat, can't go be
Leo Laporte (01:04:22):
Right
Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:23):
Jerks, but the Republicans can take advantage of their, their silence on things and just push that line a little further. I mean
Leo Laporte (01:04:31):
Yeah. All comes down with to norms and what you're willing to do and not do and yeah. Yeah. Which you can get away with. Yep. Uh, let's take, get a little break. And when we come back, we'll have, uh, the words of God. So, uh, get ready for that. I something you don't hear all the time on this show. Um, but first a word from something you don't hear all this jars speaking. No, he's more like Moses Moses, Moses poses. His was roses than Moses supposes erroneously. Our show today brought to you by new Relic. If you're a software engineer, oh you know that late night call it, ain't working. Something's down the server's down something and you don't know exactly what right. That's the problem. All you know is customers are screaming. The boss is mad and you're up in the middle of the night.
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Leo Laporte (01:08:12):
And thank you for supporting us by, uh, going to that site. So they know you saw it here. New relic.com/TWIG. This was a great story. I read it in input magazine, uh, and it, it actually has a happy ending, but it seems like a sad story. It's about Thomas Buler, who, uh, just passed away at the age of 65, uh, and left behind a so program. He'd written pretty much on his own, a program that stopped working when windows seven was no longer supported by Microsoft when apple abandoned 32 bits software. So people were updating their iPhones, their max, their windows machine, and no longer could use it and were devastated. But they found out that this program, trope trainer was not from a company, but from one guy, a labor of love. And when he passed away, the suddenly in July at the age of 65, the code disappeared and no one knew how, uh, to update it.
Leo Laporte (01:09:16):
I'm gonna play it a little bit for you. It, it, in order to understand what it does when you're, and, and I'm not Jewish, but I know many friends who got bot Mitzva or bar Mitzva you, uh, will sing from, uh, the Torah, right? You'll you'll learn to chant. And of course that's a big part of your getting ready for your bar mitzvah is, is learning these, uh, these, these chants apparently can be very complicated because, uh, over time, the it's, it's a sing song thing and different traditions have different pronunciations. So there's an Ashkenazi and a Sephardic tradition and, and there's different and there's different ways of, of singing it. But it's something you have to learn, uh, in the past, what you'd have to do is, is, you know, go, go to the temple and, uh, and be taught and listen and learn it and memorize it.
Leo Laporte (01:10:07):
But this program, which worked on a PC, uh, trope trainer, actually, I'm gonna play a little bit of it for you because even though it's all lost and they used, they, he went to who, uh, digital equipment, which was the only one that had a voice synthesizer 20 years ago and got their voice synthesizer to be updated, to work with this. Uh, it's kind of an amazing story, highly recommended. Um, fortunately the woman who, uh, helped him at deck UN unpaid volunt, who helped him at deck had saved one wave file of this. So I'm gonna play just to give you an idea of what it, uh, sounded like, but the people who used it, the kids and the, and the rabbis and, uh, the people who used it, uh, loved it. It, it wa it, it was amazing. Let me scroll down and find the, uh, little wave file that's on this article and put mag.com. There's a picture of, uh, of Buler actually, I'm sorry. He died in 2019. I apologize. Okay. So it was several years ago. Uh, in fact that was what happened was he died in 2019, and then shortly after that, Microsoft discontinues seven and shortly after that apple discontinued 32 bits support and so forth, um, here is a wave file, 15 second snippet of a voice synthesized to sing sacred words.
Leo Laporte (01:11:48):
Oh, wow. So, uh, kids would, you know, listen to that, memorize it, uh, pretty amazing story, highly recommended. But the thing I loved about this, I read this story and then I saw Andy bio of waxy links and his tweet. He figured out actually, uh, Jess, a guy named Jess 51 99, figured out how to do it. Everybody thought this is it it's lost forever. The source code. They went to, uh, uh, Booker's husband and said, uh, do you have the computer? He wrote it on. He said, now I gave that away to charity. The source code was long gone, and of course they could have reversed engineered it, but fortunately people who did have a copy of the program running on windows XP, thanks to Jess 51 99. He figured out how to it in virtual box, uh, using, using a copy of trope trainer from, uh, archive.org and the serial number. And so it is now running. I'll turn it on again. It is now running in, uh, In virtualization, so saved. That is cool. Isn't that great. It's a great story. And thank you again, another great story. Thank you to internet archive. This is the 2005 version of the CD rom of
Jeff Jarvis (01:13:04):
Internet archive. Just surprises me constantly. I'm doing research and I look at these, uh, ha trust and my academic things. And I'm my last resort is, well, I wonder if an archive has it and it's amazing all, everything is dares, magazines and publications.
Leo Laporte (01:13:18):
Yeah. Uh, and I'm, I would have to think Buler would be very relieved to know that, uh, this is his life's work. He spent 20 years on it that it's still can be used. Really neat story. I thought I'd be, can you imagine
Jeff Jarvis (01:13:31):
What however, what Google voice could do with that?
Leo Laporte (01:13:35):
Oh, it'd be so much better now, but it, but honestly, it's not as simple as, I mean, it's a hard thing to do.
Jeff Jarvis (01:13:43):
It's also tonality. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:13:45):
Yeah. Uh, and, and the way the tones were written by the rabbis on the Hebrew script is, uh, it's not a direct correspondence to how it's sung or played. It's, it's a very, very complicated nuance, difficult. Yeah. It's very difficult. And this thing would do it in a variety of different. You could even have a young kid or an old man sing it. But yeah, if we had decent modern synthesizers working on this, it'd be very interesting. The deck, uh, program that he used, uh, had only been translated to English, German, and I think one of their language. So he had to actually, they had to actually kind of teach it how to sing in Hebrew, which is kind of amazing what a story. That's awesome.
Ant Pruitt (01:14:26):
It
Leo Laporte (01:14:26):
Is lovely story. Uh, I think, let me see, um, just looking at there's
Ant Pruitt (01:14:36):
Lots of
Leo Laporte (01:14:36):
Stuff. There's so much stuff, but I, you know, we don't need to do all of it. Google, just
Jeff Jarvis (01:14:41):
So
Leo Laporte (01:14:42):
Go ahead. And Stacy. Oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:44):
I was like, a lot of it feels so marginal. I'm like,
Leo Laporte (01:14:47):
Yeah. Like Google buys excited a company called Rium for AR
Ant Pruitt (01:14:52):
Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:53):
Snap bought someone for AR.
Leo Laporte (01:14:55):
I saw this yesterday, all
Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:56):
Small AR company,
Leo Laporte (01:14:58):
The, the Android statues have been removed from Google. They've been getting really run down and they stopped putting ups. They're pretty ratty
Ant Pruitt (01:15:06):
Filthy. Yeah. Ron,
Leo Laporte (01:15:08):
Ron was hoping they were just being, uh, you know, re, but I don't know if I
Ant Pruitt (01:15:14):
Think
Jeff Jarvis (01:15:14):
That day is over they're
Ant Pruitt (01:15:16):
Story. Reed is they're just going to hide 'em for now, because they're probably gonna put 'em somewhere else
Leo Laporte (01:15:21):
At the moment. It's uncertain. What Google will do with the statues. Assuming the company hasn't destroyed them until then fans will have to fondly look back at photos posted online. This is from the San Francisco
Ant Pruitt (01:15:35):
Chronicle. I was getting ready to say, you think Google, what
Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:37):
Were
Ant Pruitt (01:15:37):
They made of? Destroy
Leo Laporte (01:15:38):
'em but they were fiberglass. They were not meant to last forever. No, they were really looking ready.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:44):
It's like put, put golf kind of statue. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (01:15:47):
That's exactly what they were. Yeah,
Leo Laporte (01:15:48):
There was, but it was for every version of Android. So there was kit, cat, there was a pie, there was a frozen yogurt ice cream sandwich. It was outside building 44.
Ant Pruitt (01:16:00):
They
Jeff Jarvis (01:16:00):
Used to be on the main campus and then they moved
Ant Pruitt (01:16:02):
Them to the
Leo Laporte (01:16:03):
Store. Okay.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:05):
And do they still name things out? I'm trying to think of the most.
Leo Laporte (01:16:09):
Well, technically they don't make a big deal of it, but technically they do so
Ant Pruitt (01:16:13):
Stopped. Oh, they do? No, no, they stopped too.
Leo Laporte (01:16:16):
Okay. Uh, Jason, Jason, how all about Android calling Jason? How he
Ant Pruitt (01:16:22):
Pops into the IRC
Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:25):
Help
Ant Pruitt (01:16:25):
Us internally.
Leo Laporte (01:16:26):
They do it internally only. So Q uh, had the name Quin tart.
Ant Pruitt (01:16:34):
This is why it's internal twin
Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:36):
Start. Okay. I see what's happening here.
Ant Pruitt (01:16:39):
Uh, yeah. Yeah. It's why they're internal now. Yeah,
Leo Laporte (01:16:43):
I don't. Yeah. Well, I think the problem was they got to one letter. There really wasn't a good dessert for, I can't remember what I forget which one
Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:51):
It was, but was it Quin?
Leo Laporte (01:16:53):
Quince. Q is pretty bad. Oh, queen tar queen cake queen. Cake's not so bad. Um, which
Ant Pruitt (01:17:00):
One
Leo Laporte (01:17:01):
Was it? That was Android 10. I don't know what 11 and 12 are.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:05):
You are
Ant Pruitt (01:17:06):
S I have totally
Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:07):
Forgot. I mean, they're gonna run outta letters too.
Leo Laporte (01:17:10):
Android 12 is snow cone. Cuz it's S
Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:13):
Oh, I do remember this.
Leo Laporte (01:17:14):
Okay. So they didn't get rid of it. They just don't make a big deal out of it anymore.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:18):
Me Sue, I believe when they said they were gonna start
Leo Laporte (01:17:20):
Sue tar Android 11 was red velvet cake says Jason.
Ant Pruitt (01:17:24):
Oh boy. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:17:26):
And he says 13, as you said, he's like most likely term is suit, but then you get to you and V and w and X, Y, and X what's X gonna be,
Ant Pruitt (01:17:36):
Uh, what
Leo Laporte (01:17:38):
You run on
Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:38):
Extra, extra gum,
Leo Laporte (01:17:39):
Extra gum. That's right. No xylitol gum xylitol. I'm using Android xylitol now. No cavities,
Leo Laporte (01:17:50):
Uh, Google has settled with the four engineers. It fired for unionizing. Uh, this was, uh, and then of course the employees went to the national labor relations board and, uh, Google finally is settled with then Google ran a secret campaign, according to the engineers involved, uh, with workplace activism at the company between 2018 and 2020 to crush union organizing, it was known as project Vivian, four of the workers were fired in late 2019. We talked about it at the time. Uh, two of those employees are, are, uh, back at Google, I think. Uh, but the four others will not be, uh, none of the four fired workers will be reinstated. And of course, we don't know the terms of the settlement, but I'm thinking,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:38):
Why did they call it project Vivian?
Leo Laporte (01:18:40):
Isn't that a terrible name?
Ant Pruitt (01:18:43):
Cause it couldn't be called X cloud or
Leo Laporte (01:18:45):
Something. Yeah. You can't say like project bust the unions. That would be a little obvious. I,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:51):
I mean, it's gotta come up from somewhere. It was one of the Google employees, Vivian, I mean,
Leo Laporte (01:18:58):
Uh, are you ready for YouTube to take on over the air TV with nearly 4,000 free episodes of TVs shows if
Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:10):
With commercial, with
Leo Laporte (01:19:11):
Commercials,
Ant Pruitt (01:19:13):
I'm down for this
Leo Laporte (01:19:14):
Hell's kitchen, a Dramat of Heartland, uh, you already can watch movies with commercials mean, uh, YouTube,
Ant Pruitt (01:19:20):
I'm down for this. It makes sense. I use Plex from time to time to watch, um, TV series or whatever. And I like PL for the most part, but this live quotes, TV stuff seems to be a little bit clunky. And I, I would assume YouTube slash Google would be able to do it a
Leo Laporte (01:19:37):
Little bit better. I think it's just a matter of time with where the networks realize that's where the kids are. And, and just, you know, it, remember when YouTube first came out, NBC was furious. Cuz seven night life skis kept ending up and they were starting to Soo them. And then they realized, wait a minute
Ant Pruitt (01:19:52):
Mean they're drawing more people
Leo Laporte (01:19:53):
In. This is right for business.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:55):
This is literally where people see this, wait
Ant Pruitt (01:19:57):
A minute, 8 million people saw just this one segment.
Leo Laporte (01:20:00):
Yeah. So they not only gave up. I think they started posting them themselves. Yeah. Twitter has gone, uh, given us back the chronological feed now in feed. Now Instagram is doing the same. Although I've seen people say, just wait till you get that chronological feed. You'll realize why you didn't want it all along.
Ant Pruitt (01:20:21):
Disagree.
Leo Laporte (01:20:21):
I disagree too. I love my chronological. I agree. I like my algorithmic feed. So we, we both, it could be
Ant Pruitt (01:20:27):
How, ah,
Leo Laporte (01:20:27):
Geez, you get both. Well, there we go. Features had been launched into limited testing starting in January, but uh, today, uh, it'll roll out to the entire global base of Instagram users. Are you looking, do you have it?
Ant Pruitt (01:20:40):
Well, I haven't tried it yet, but there, there is one beef that I have with Instagram and is when I launch it, it going to have a, a post that's showing and then it quickly jumps on.
Leo Laporte (01:20:50):
I know. And, and you can never get back to that.
Ant Pruitt (01:20:53):
Oh, and now I didn't do it this time.
Leo Laporte (01:20:54):
No, but it happened to me today. Yeah. It was a picture of my daughter's birthday
Ant Pruitt (01:20:59):
And then it, and
Leo Laporte (01:21:00):
It was gone. I can never get back to it.
Ant Pruitt (01:21:02):
It's like, what are you doing? It's
Leo Laporte (01:21:04):
I scrolled in it cold. So maybe that was just a bug. Maybe that'll be fix. Maybe they fixed it now. Yeah, that was it's funny. Cuz that happened to me too. They just did it. It did just do it again. They just
Ant Pruitt (01:21:13):
Did it. I don't know why, why it does that. So give me chronological and fix that bug please. And thank you,
Leo Laporte (01:21:21):
Users will be, this is on iOS and, and Android, but not on the web version of Instagram. They had to give you something. Users will be alerted to the new options, following and favorites from a popup at the top left of the app. And under the word Instagram from there, you can tap on the feed. That's kind of what, uh, Twitter does. They have a little sparkle like on that? No one knows what the hell is that it took me a while to figure out that's how you get back to the chronological feed on Twitter. Uh, let me, let me check this. Let me see if I, what I've got here.
Ant Pruitt (01:21:48):
I'm finding myself using Twitter, mobile, less to read.
Leo Laporte (01:21:52):
Just did the same thing. By the way, to me it showed something disappeared, pop
Ant Pruitt (01:21:56):
Away thing. Yeah. So annoying.
Leo Laporte (01:21:59):
So annoying.
Ant Pruitt (01:22:01):
I wonder what Instagram's, uh, analytics are for people using the web interface?
Leo Laporte (01:22:06):
Well, I use it for the show all the time.
Ant Pruitt (01:22:10):
That's so much
Leo Laporte (01:22:11):
A week for
Speaker 9 (01:22:11):
You. I use it. I use it when I
Leo Laporte (01:22:13):
Click through something like I use Instagram less and less. In fact, I just saw a story that they wanna become a shopping mall instead of a it's a and it has been slowly changing to that from a photographic sharing site. Yeah. They move and it just makes me wanna use it less and less and less, less. I don't want to go to a shopping mall.
Ant Pruitt (01:22:31):
They move that one button. But you
Leo Laporte (01:22:32):
Buy things,
Ant Pruitt (01:22:32):
Hit it. The
Leo Laporte (01:22:33):
First thing you do, another reason why I don't want to go is I'll buy things. That's the problem. Yeah. Works on you. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (01:22:39):
They're good ads. You have to admit, they are good ads on Instagram.
Leo Laporte (01:22:43):
I'm gonna delete it. People buy a lot of that crap. Oh geez.
Speaker 9 (01:22:48):
Leo.
Leo Laporte (01:22:50):
Yeah, I know. What's the, why do you think I'm sitting on a stick? You think you think I would've bought this in a store? You think I would've said, oh, that's perfect. I need a chair with a little tiny seat.
Jeff Jarvis (01:23:08):
That's that's a 10th. The size of your rear end 10th.
Leo Laporte (01:23:11):
The size of my
Speaker 8 (01:23:12):
Behind you think
Leo Laporte (01:23:14):
If it weren't for Instagram, I'd be sitting on this.
Ant Pruitt (01:23:17):
He's been squirming. All he's been squirming all day.
Leo Laporte (01:23:19):
I'm so sorry.
Jeff Jarvis (01:23:21):
How long
Stacey Higginbotham (01:23:22):
Did this? When did you get this?
Leo Laporte (01:23:23):
Middle of the night?
Ant Pruitt (01:23:24):
It came
Speaker 8 (01:23:25):
It's okay.
Ant Pruitt (01:23:26):
Came last week.
Jeff Jarvis (01:23:27):
I wanna see your collection of Kamonte
Leo Laporte (01:23:31):
What's Kamonte that's
Jeff Jarvis (01:23:33):
What they that's the, uh, the tacky stuff they sold on
Leo Laporte (01:23:35):
QVC day. Oh, I got a lot of Kamonte.
Jeff Jarvis (01:23:38):
Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (01:23:39):
Interesting. I'm not getting a lot of ads right now. Normally I scroll through in seas. Oh, there's one. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:23:44):
Just be that's the other problem. You're probably seeing a lot of ads. Not knowing it. You're thinking, oh, that's a nice picture. Oh no. It's a stick that you sit on.
Ant Pruitt (01:23:53):
Oh no.
Jeff Jarvis (01:23:54):
I think I'll get one of those.
Leo Laporte (01:23:57):
Let me buy that. That should be
Speaker 8 (01:24:00):
Comfortable.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:01):
Wait, why? Help me understand why you purchased this? I mean, what, what
Speaker 8 (01:24:06):
Point for this?
Jeff Jarvis (01:24:07):
Wow.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:08):
I, I genuine like, is it fit posture?
Speaker 8 (01:24:11):
It's a baby chair. I thought it was for grownups. Oh no. It's
Leo Laporte (01:24:20):
It is it's for good posture.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:22):
Oh, okay. Was
Ant Pruitt (01:24:23):
Like, oh, and again, notice he has been squirming the last,
Jeff Jarvis (01:24:27):
Oh yeah. He's been, he's been rocking back and forth. Yeah. His ass is numb.
Speaker 8 (01:24:35):
Yeah. Just you
Leo Laporte (01:24:36):
Can't one You're getting is some sort of Stockholm syndrome and I bought a second one. It's like, oh, this really hurts. I need another,
Ant Pruitt (01:24:45):
It looks like a chair. Photographers. Use that on the shoot. But
Leo Laporte (01:24:49):
It's
Ant Pruitt (01:24:49):
Just not as
Leo Laporte (01:24:50):
Portable. It's like, you know the walking sticks you get where you're unfolded. You're sitting it for about a
Ant Pruitt (01:24:54):
Minute. That's exactly what it's
Leo Laporte (01:24:55):
What this is.
Jeff Jarvis (01:24:57):
It's the old man who goes to the parade. That's
Ant Pruitt (01:24:59):
Good. His chair parade for the golf course. So that's about it.
Leo Laporte (01:25:03):
The Kamonte porcelain is one of the Glor of Neopolitan Coade. It binds their origins to the slender of the bourbon dynasty. Wait what? In 1743 king. Charles of bourbon and his wife, Amalia, Saxon. He decided to found a center for porcelain production within the regime. Reg the Kamonte driven by the people.
Jeff Jarvis (01:25:27):
Solar stuff. QVC. Oh, this lovely li with a, with a, with
Leo Laporte (01:25:32):
A it's like, like humble figuring it's
Jeff Jarvis (01:25:34):
The it's worse
Leo Laporte (01:25:35):
Than that. Worse than humble.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:25:36):
Oh, like the Yaro things or whatever they,
Leo Laporte (01:25:38):
Yeah. Like Yaro, but worse.
Jeff Jarvis (01:25:40):
Worse. Tackier yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:25:41):
I need to see it. Show it to more.
Speaker 8 (01:25:43):
Okay.
Leo Laporte (01:25:44):
Here it comes. I'm sorry
Stacey Higginbotham (01:25:46):
On people
Ant Pruitt (01:25:46):
You asked
Leo Laporte (01:25:49):
Demont which means top of the mountain. Right? I don't know. Cappo. Demont oh, here's a beautiful $350 floral arrangement.
Jeff Jarvis (01:26:00):
It's just the kind of thing your grandmother bought. And then you think you're gonna sell it at her estate and nobody wants it.
Leo Laporte (01:26:06):
No, actually we had these, we have two kids. We had these exact flowers. Oh my God. Here's a, this is for you, Stacy. If you send me that phone back, I will send you put Chan with fruit. It is a figurine with Ruth punch. Maybe
Jeff Jarvis (01:26:24):
That was like you too.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:26:27):
That is like a nightmare.
Leo Laporte (01:26:29):
It's scary. I think though it might be my new profile picture. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:26:36):
Go for that. Wow.
Leo Laporte (01:26:40):
Okay. All right. Let's uh,
Jeff Jarvis (01:26:42):
They would spend hours selling this stuff on QVC.
Leo Laporte (01:26:45):
I have watched QVC. If that's what they would sell.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:26:48):
You know what? QVC is more modern. Now all the like tech companies are getting into real life shopping.
Leo Laporte (01:26:55):
It's actually kind, kinda scary. Amazon. I, uh, somebody was saying, oh, they've got the, uh, Xbox series X, which I've had a hard time finding on, uh, QV. I went, I went to the website. They're selling it for twice. The retail price. Yeah. My mom's is a QVC shopper. I don't think it's a, she quite enjoys it.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:12):
You don't I'm I'm about to talk to a woman. Oh, oh, you guys know her. Um, hold on. Uh, it's one of the co-founders of iRobot. Oh yeah. Grinder. Yeah. She has a new company called tur till which is a, it's like a Roomba for your garden. That does weeding. It's a 3 99 robot. I'm very excited about it, but they're gonna launch on home shopping network, which is basically like QVC. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:27:33):
Cool. So there's money right
Jeff Jarvis (01:27:35):
Now on QVC. It's gourmet holiday at the moment. Oh, if you go to qvc.com.
Leo Laporte (01:27:41):
Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (01:27:41):
You can go in and then click on. What's not it's gourmet holiday. You can just bagels from New York city.
Leo Laporte (01:27:46):
Oh, that's good.
Jeff Jarvis (01:27:48):
You can get, uh, land's coffee, Uh, cups of meatballs and sauce
Leo Laporte (01:27:56):
I have now, uh, by the way, changed my avatar on my, on the discord. So, uh, I think you're gonna, this. It is looks just like me
Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:10):
Or a I,
Leo Laporte (01:28:13):
This dude is so weird. This show
Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:20):
To bring it
Leo Laporte (01:28:20):
Back, Kept putting him on day, the head of them mountain. Uh, let's play the, uh, sound that my fault and we'll do it is your totally your fault. But then Lee, but it was really Steph,
Jeff Jarvis (01:28:33):
But it brought joy.
Leo Laporte (01:28:34):
What's her names here. Faults. Yeah. Stacy, that lady, that lady over on my right here. Cuz she said, oh Jeff, fully knowledgeable. I think now in hindsight as to the impact, what Capote
Jeff Jarvis (01:28:49):
And then I am, it
Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:50):
Sounded delicious.
Leo Laporte (01:28:53):
It's time for the Google. You know the Google
Jeff Jarvis (01:28:57):
Change log.
Leo Laporte (01:29:00):
See how fast we get through this Android 13. The next one. What did we, what did we say? That is Tara Sue,
Ant Pruitt (01:29:07):
Tara sues. What? Possibly allegedly
Leo Laporte (01:29:10):
Will ask your permission to send notifications
Jeff Jarvis (01:29:13):
As well. It should.
Leo Laporte (01:29:16):
It includes, so apps will have to ask, oh, we'll have to. Well, apple does this. I didn't realize that this wasn't on Android.
Jeff Jarvis (01:29:25):
It does it
Leo Laporte (01:29:25):
Too. Allow app to send you notifications, allow don't allow. It
Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:31):
Makes you, it gives you the option to manage it. Like when you get a notification, you're like, God, why is HBO max sending me a notifications? You just open it up. And you're like, stop that.
Leo Laporte (01:29:39):
This is now a requirement, I guess. I guess you could do it before. If an app was nice, but they didn't have to do it. Uh, apps targeting Android 13 will now need to request the notification permission from the user before posting anything at all. So that is a good improvement. That'll be coming soon. It's already in the, uh, dev versions of Android 13. Speaking of Android 13, there is a new search in town. Pixel launcher search, um, is at least testing showing results from Google photos. So when you search now, you know how you do a search on your Android phone for an app. It will also, if you put a name in search for photos of that person,
Jeff Jarvis (01:30:24):
It'll it'll search like across a whole bunch of domains. Yes.
Leo Laporte (01:30:27):
In the phone as well as Google, uh, photos. So searching for screenshots will surface a Google photos, branded carousel.
Ant Pruitt (01:30:35):
He said it'll it'll search outside of Google photos.
Leo Laporte (01:30:38):
No, I think this says it's gonna search your phone, your phone. Oh, okay. To which, but it'll include photos.
Ant Pruitt (01:30:45):
Okay. That's interesting. Especially if you actually tag people in your photos.
Leo Laporte (01:30:50):
Yeah. So there, Google photos is updating its library and sharing tabs to make photos easier to find as well, shortcuts to your screenshots. So, uh, that's a layout change basically to the interface. Don't be surprised when you see that. Um,
Ant Pruitt (01:31:09):
I appreciate them doing this is I haven't really cared for.
Leo Laporte (01:31:12):
It's not a great interface. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (01:31:15):
I like this service being pretty quick on backing up and so forth and allow me to just get my images off of them fairly quickly, but still just navigating on the phone. This
Leo Laporte (01:31:25):
Also an update coming for the Google home app, simpler controls, improved privacy. I'm sure Stacy likes that.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:33):
We talked about it on the show coming out tomorrow.
Leo Laporte (01:31:36):
What'd you say?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:38):
We said we liked it. It's simple. We like the privacy and apparently they're also gonna change the event pee. So it'll be a little bit more,
Leo Laporte (01:31:47):
It'll sort them in group. That's always been a problem of mine. Cause I'll get a thousand. If I, if I go in the backyard and get a thousand notifications, there's somebody in your backyard. So now it will kind of, uh, sort them into a group, things that happen within a short space of time into one thing, the Android app will finally let you delete the last 15 minutes of your search history. Just like iPhone users. It came to the iOS app in last summer. But for some reason, Google denied it to Android users. They're now bringing it. So why would you wanna delete the last 15 minutes of your search history?
Ant Pruitt (01:32:24):
Depends on who's looking at your phone.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:26):
Let's say you just murdered someone. Oh,
Leo Laporte (01:32:29):
Of course
Jeff Jarvis (01:32:30):
Not. The great
Ant Pruitt (01:32:31):
Example of is Hiba. Of
Leo Laporte (01:32:33):
Course. Uh, you could so, so the, the settings are now 36 months, 18 months, three months or 15 minutes. I thought it interesting
Ant Pruitt (01:32:45):
Thought there was a firm. So
Jeff Jarvis (01:32:46):
I, I, I was talking to a friend of mine who, um, in his kids' school, his teenager of school. Yeah. He had his laptop and um, it was on the screen and he started typing the letter as you know what auto complete. Yep. I right.
Leo Laporte (01:33:05):
P oh no porn
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:06):
Hub fired.
Leo Laporte (01:33:08):
Mm. Just cause he typed the letter P that's sad.
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:12):
And it came up porn.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:13):
Did he click? He must have clicked.
Leo Laporte (01:33:15):
You have to return, but that's those keyboards believe me. It's easy to actually think
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:19):
A kid would, was using it. I think a kid was using the computer. Yeah. And did that so obvious I went through, I went not before that. I heard, heard the story, by the way, I just happened to go through my entire alphabet
Leo Laporte (01:33:30):
Just to see what one letter will do. Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:33):
Whatever letter will do. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:33:35):
Yeah. That's boy. That's bad. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (01:33:37):
Okay. Fortunately, my
Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:38):
Oh, mine goes to fizz.org.
Ant Pruitt (01:33:41):
Mine says press Democrat and Petaluma weather.
Leo Laporte (01:33:45):
Boy. My I've
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:46):
Got says photos. Dr.
Leo Laporte (01:33:48):
Keyboard dot I, Pam and Tommy panic, Nova parks and rec Anna de Armas,
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:54):
Pam and Tommy could get you. I think that could get you gone.
Leo Laporte (01:33:57):
Photographer, Santa Rosa, Putin speech and Paul to Thomas Anderson. I love it. Lisa and I were having a fight. We were watching, uh, Anna Armas, who is of course a wonderful actor in the late James Bond movie. She's in a brand new movie on, uh, I think it's on Netflix. This terrible Hulu.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:14):
It's on Hulu
Leo Laporte (01:34:14):
Hulu with Ben Affleck, deep river water. Uh, it's terrible. Don't watch it
Ant Pruitt (01:34:20):
So good. Do you know the name of it?
Leo Laporte (01:34:22):
I, I said, oh yeah. She said, who's this woman. I said, oh, she was in parks and rec. She wasn't. I was watching from Cuba.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:32):
You think of Aubrey Plaza. I
Leo Laporte (01:34:34):
Confused her with Aubrey Plaza. Exactly. I love her. And so I'm desperately searching parks and rec and at Armas and you know what? There are know search yourselves for that.
Ant Pruitt (01:34:45):
You knew you were right.
Leo Laporte (01:34:47):
This is my fairly recent, all of this is like the last day or two history. So
Ant Pruitt (01:34:53):
Putin speech, huh?
Jeff Jarvis (01:34:55):
Huh? So this is why you might wanna delete your search history before you go teach.
Leo Laporte (01:34:59):
Well, I'm just not gonna do any other letters. That's all I could tell you right now. Google is moving. I'm going
Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:05):
Through. 'em all. They're good.
Leo Laporte (01:35:06):
Yeah. I mean, I think it's kind of, it's like a tour down memory lane. It
Jeff Jarvis (01:35:10):
Is.
Leo Laporte (01:35:10):
Oh, I remember when I,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:12):
The last day of web
Jeff Jarvis (01:35:13):
Searches a for Amazon, B for book finder C for calendar D for dark sky E for eBay.
Leo Laporte (01:35:20):
Oh my
Jeff Jarvis (01:35:21):
God. Four.
Leo Laporte (01:35:22):
I type a and I got Anna de Armas parks and rack. I tried it two different ways. Wait,
Jeff Jarvis (01:35:31):
You're not using here's the difference. If
Leo Laporte (01:35:33):
You use Google she's on there. I swear she is. Google's wrong. That's wrong, Google. Oh. And now when I type C I get capo Dee, see
Jeff Jarvis (01:35:46):
Google's different. Cuz Google listens over enough time.
Leo Laporte (01:35:49):
Right.
Jeff Jarvis (01:35:49):
And it learns so, so, and is New York times w was Washington post T is the guardian only
Leo Laporte (01:35:55):
Cause Twitter. Yeah. While he's Stacy. Oh, I type F sorry. I was like, you'll appreciate this F I mean Stacy, when I type F I get fun. Fatty. Oh good.
Jeff Jarvis (01:36:10):
Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:36:11):
Finally. Excellent options. Finally, Google is moving the movies and TV app. The app tab. Punchy. What?
Jeff Jarvis (01:36:23):
You're just trying to get through this on one more time.
Leo Laporte (01:36:26):
Try again. Finally. You know, if you,
Jeff Jarvis (01:36:29):
If your ass were numb right now, you'd probably be
Leo Laporte (01:36:31):
Fine.
Jeff Jarvis (01:36:34):
That's what you're thinking. You're thinking I can't sit here any longer.
Leo Laporte (01:36:38):
I something I,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:36:40):
This is, this is a great way to get us out in time. I like it. Let's
Leo Laporte (01:36:44):
Do it. I OK. Brand new, know Google, a movie and TVs to all the place started Google TV. And that's the Google change log.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:36:54):
Oh, wait, there was, oh no. That's
Leo Laporte (01:36:58):
You
Jeff Jarvis (01:36:58):
Were more change.
Leo Laporte (01:36:59):
You really know chair. She wants send me a different chair. What do you wanna send me? Go ahead.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:07):
No, I was gonna send you another one of those chairs just in case this is
Leo Laporte (01:37:11):
Know that one, two or 360. And the, and it's all about, it's designed by a cardiologist that probably should have been a giveaway. A cardiologist. That's your blood pressure. This chair. He'll give you a heart attack.
Jeff Jarvis (01:37:30):
More like designed by a proctologist.
Leo Laporte (01:37:31):
Yeah. Well, I don't know if it had been a butt guy. I would've been that. Probably would've been a better chair. Do I care about any of these other, what phone? Uh, pots. Carrie?
Jeff Jarvis (01:37:42):
Just you guys might no. Take a look at the pictures.
Leo Laporte (01:37:45):
Yeah. It's a, it's an apple iPhone, uh, iPhone 12, a presidential seal. Promax I like the case. That's probably more than just an everyday case.
Ant Pruitt (01:37:56):
RFI. D
Leo Laporte (01:37:57):
If you look at that camera, don't you think Stacy, that's a dead giveaway that, that square look at. Here's the same camera, uh, on an iPhone 12, but I think the 13 looks very similar. So it's either a 12 or 13, but there's the same camera, right? That's square square camera. That's it. Right? Those
Ant Pruitt (01:38:14):
Are like it. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:38:16):
Nailed it
Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:17):
Here. Show the top. Can you see anything from the be bezel
Leo Laporte (01:38:20):
Show you? Um,
Ant Pruitt (01:38:22):
Yeah. Look at the top of that.
Leo Laporte (01:38:24):
This is all the same. Oh my. Oh no, no. I think that's his case. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (01:38:28):
Has little grills.
Leo Laporte (01:38:29):
I think he's got a, that's a special C I NSA. That's something something's got. There's nothing. That's he's got a, oh, you know what? That is. That's a cover. That's a, a screen cover. I bet you on a hinge because you wouldn't want people to read over your privacy.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:44):
He, I would, I would try to like look over at his shoulder when he
Leo Laporte (01:38:48):
Is on. Sure. Of course.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:49):
Would
Ant Pruitt (01:38:50):
I? I don't care that much. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:52):
The secret service would be like ma ma
Leo Laporte (01:38:55):
I am actually surprised. Remember when, uh, this all came up for the first time that I remember with Obama who had a Blackberry in 2008, when he came into the white house, 2009 and, uh, the, uh, NSA took one, look at it and said, sir, you cannot carry a Blackberry. Yep.
Ant Pruitt (01:39:10):
Gotta go.
Leo Laporte (01:39:11):
Uh, they gave him a, and it felt bad for him, a windows phone that was specially modified to be safe, uh, you know, secure and every sense it's
Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:20):
Secure cuz by obscurity.
Leo Laporte (01:39:22):
Well, I guess they had, you know, by 2008 there were iPhones, but honestly they were Blackberry. Probably would've been the first thing you'd expect Obama to be carrying, uh,
Ant Pruitt (01:39:31):
Cuz they have the enterprise presidents at least back then and right.
Leo Laporte (01:39:34):
Yeah. And lot everybody government
Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:37):
IPhone came out. Oh seven.
Leo Laporte (01:39:38):
It did. So he was, he, he ended off January 20th, 2009 a day. I shall never forget.
Jeff Jarvis (01:39:47):
And then Trump came along and used any bloody phone. He wished
Leo Laporte (01:39:50):
Yeah, it wasn't that interesting. He fought it, he fought it. And in fact I think he use an iPhone. We know cuz he was tweeting from an iPhone.
Ant Pruitt (01:39:59):
Oh that's right. Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (01:40:01):
Uh, the first image from the web telescope.
Leo Laporte (01:40:04):
Yeah. We, this is actually kind of cool. Uh, the web telescope was of course the uh, space telescope that's sitting at LaGrange point, very distant, more, almost a million kilometers from the earth. So it will not be repairable. Uh, so they took a big chance. It had a full into a tiny little or AAMI thing. So it could be launched in a space it's been ever since it's launched several months ago, unfolding and deploying and it has done so with remarkable, uh, success, not one problem. And now the very first, uh, image as they have aligned the mirror now, uh, is of a quote, very boring star. According to NASA, uh, you see the, you see the, um, you would know about this ant, the uh, the star lines coming off of that. That's because of the aperture on the camera. Yep.
Ant Pruitt (01:40:51):
Tight aperture to cut down the light. And it's the blades that you see that makes the little starry, uh, extensions there.
Leo Laporte (01:40:58):
Yeah. And it's, it's false color because it's an infrared photo, but here's the most interesting thing about this. And by the way, this is not the final quality. There's still a lining. They have a way to go, but here's, this is a star, uh, known as HD 8, 4, 4 oh a hundred times fainter than a star that could be seen with a human eye. But the thing that's most interesting about this image, I don't know if I can get a bigger, uh, picture. It would be nice if I could, if
Stacey Higginbotham (01:41:24):
You go to NASA, they, they will.
Leo Laporte (01:41:26):
But the most interesting thing is those little dots. Those are not stars. Those are galaxies dots,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:41:31):
Inspir
Leo Laporte (01:41:31):
Rating. And if you look them, you can look at this galaxy here, for instance, it's uh, it's a flat plate. It's a spiral alarm galaxy. That's why they don't, they're not pinpoints. They're actually entire galaxies sun. Isn't that amazing. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. So this telescope, uh, everybody's very excited. This was a very successful deployment. They're not quite there yet. When they, we start getting images, didn't
Ant Pruitt (01:41:55):
It take a selfie of itself.
Leo Laporte (01:41:56):
It did. There's also a selfie. Here's the selfie, uh, a picture back down. Those are the octagons 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, hexagons that, uh, unfolded to form one single mirror. And so there's, I think 18 of them, John, is that right? So they had to align these hexagonal segments so that they would all focus on a pinpoint. And that's what that image is. But now there's still very, very small nanometer scale adjustments that they have to make. So that they're exactly converged. Hmm. Uh, according to Jane Rigby, web operations, project scientist at Godard, the scope's performance is so far everything we dared to hope. The engineering images we saw today are as sharp and as crisp as the images that Hubble can take, but are a wavelength of light that is totally invisible to Hubble. So this is making the invisible universe snapping into very, very sharp focus, performing even better than expected.
Ant Pruitt (01:42:54):
That is sound
Leo Laporte (01:42:55):
Yay. Science.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:42:57):
The whole story of this is so amazing. They started figuring out that we needed this telescope, like in 1996 and every year they had to fight for their budget. It was like $10 billion. It was way over budget every year they'd go to Congress and they'd be like, please, please, please, please. I mean, it's just, it's such an inspirational story. It's wonderful or disgusting depending on how you feel.
Leo Laporte (01:43:20):
And I'm told by people like John follow this and uh, rod pile and uh, tar Malik who do our space show this week in space. Oh yeah. That the things that we will learn from this telescope are unheard of. We don't even know what we're gonna learn about the origins of the universe. There's gonna be amazing discoveries coming out of this telescope. So this is a really very, very important scientific project. And it looks to be successful. Great picture. Let's take a break and you can give us your picks and numbers and thing of the week when we come back This Week in Google brought to you by wealth front, you know, nowadays there's, uh, dozens of apps that make it easy to start trading, but just cuz it's easy. Doesn't mean, you know what you're doing investing is is hard, but wealth front makes it easy to invest, easy to grow your savings with a diversified portfolio that balances your other riskier bets.
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Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:35):
Yeah, I got, I got a new one. I mean, cuz like you love it. We had had ours. I do love it. I still love it. They um, they took the scale out and it's only
Leo Laporte (01:46:44):
Five, five. Yeah. I saw
Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:44):
That $600 now.
Leo Laporte (01:46:45):
But does that matter that they took the uh, scale out? I
Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:48):
Mean, no, because apparently it didn't automatically incorporate the scale. You had to actually do it. Oh
Leo Laporte (01:46:53):
Well that's not good.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:54):
You're not gonna notice. Um,
Leo Laporte (01:46:56):
But I'll tell you that same. It took a while for Lisa to get convinced, but she uh, loves enough. She said, yeah, let's get the new one. Oh yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:03):
We, we got a new one and we still, I mean we used ours like probably four or five times a day, every single day. So, um, but the new one doesn't have the cool knob. That's that's another cost savings.
Leo Laporte (01:47:16):
You know? I don't mind that much. What's funny is it runs Android. That's an Android little Android interface running there. It goes out on the net. It looks up recipes. Is she? What turned her around? Was she put brussel sprouts in and it said, are those brussel sprouts? Would you like me to cook them? And she said, yes. And 20 minutes later. Perfect brussel sprouts.
Jeff Jarvis (01:47:35):
Did it add bacon?
Leo Laporte (01:47:37):
No is impossible
Jeff Jarvis (01:47:38):
To have a perfect Brel BR sprout. No,
Leo Laporte (01:47:40):
She was, she was like, can't such a thing. She was not a believer.
Jeff Jarvis (01:47:44):
No, no. I don't believe it.
Leo Laporte (01:47:45):
She believes today. She does. Uh, I'm telling you, she loves
Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:51):
Them. Grab yourself a replacement. I mean we did, we don't regret
Leo Laporte (01:47:54):
It. You can use it as an air fryer now, which is kind of cool. Um, yeah, you use
Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:59):
Have,
Leo Laporte (01:47:59):
Have baskets. We use it all the time. So thank you. What is your new thing? What else should I buy?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:07):
Oh, by the way I have to. Okay. This is it's before my thing. Remember the cocktail shaker? Yeah. It turns out they didn't send me the small gasket and they did. I just emailed them. I was like, Hey.
Jeff Jarvis (01:48:17):
Yeah. So I remember
Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:18):
That was why my thing and now it's perfect.
Leo Laporte (01:48:20):
Oh good.
Jeff Jarvis (01:48:21):
So they did send the gasket. You just didn't see it
Leo Laporte (01:48:24):
Or?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:24):
Yeah, they were super I, no, they didn't. They sent me two of the big gaskets instead of a big gasket
Leo Laporte (01:48:30):
Have small gaskets on my, I didn't
Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:33):
Get one of those.
Leo Laporte (01:48:34):
Oh good. Because we, we threw it away. Yeah, you're fine. So, uh, no we didn't. You did. Now. It is. It is. However, up in the cupboard waiting to make a martini. Now
Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:44):
You should use it
Jeff Jarvis (01:48:45):
For the next, uh, garage sale.
Leo Laporte (01:48:48):
No, no, no, no.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:50):
Use it beforehand.
Leo Laporte (01:48:51):
Bought it right when you talked about it. I bought it for Christmas for Lisa. It didn't come. But fortunately her birthday is one month later. So she had it for her birthday and we haven't had a chance to use it. Maybe tonight that reminds me. We should do it.
Jeff Jarvis (01:49:02):
Could you imagine
Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:03):
Sale up? Okay. So the
Jeff Jarvis (01:49:04):
Laport garage sale.
Leo Laporte (01:49:05):
Oh, you don't have to imagine it. Aunt already knows all about, I I love it happens usually every January it's it's uh, in the conference room. I just bring a lot of crap. I love it. Yeah. There's one coming up. Maybe
Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:20):
We'll mail you a device and include some other unsolicited object.
Leo Laporte (01:49:25):
I shed gadgets as I go down the street. They just, yeah. They fall off of me.
Jeff Jarvis (01:49:32):
It's
Leo Laporte (01:49:32):
Pretty awesome. I actually saw your article. Uh, or maybe it was a tweet about, uh, these new wifi routers from I
Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:40):
Yes. So this is a 2000 word review and I feel like it didn't even cover all the things one should cover. Wow. That's how
Leo Laporte (01:49:47):
Crazy. Well there's one thing the big right up top six E. Right?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:52):
Right. So that's because I'm not a gadget nerd. I'm just a nerd nerd. I'm mostly excited by the fact that this year we're getting wifi six E which to be honest, is not exciting in the sense that we can use it today because there's not a lot of 60 capable devices, but it's awesome because we have 1200 megahertz of unlicensed spectrum for wifi that we can use, which is amazing. So where,
Leo Laporte (01:50:18):
Where is it? Six gigs. Where is the 60 spectrum?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:21):
It's in the it's, it's technically in the, like the 5.6 to, but it's in, it's called the six giga
Leo Laporte (01:50:28):
Hertz band. So it's a very high. So, you know, first I thought when they started doing, uh, five giga Hertz, I thought, well, that's gonna be so high. It's not gonna go anywhere. But that's actually turns out to be it's it's real benefit because it doesn't go through walls. You don't get interference from neighbors, uh, or anybody or yourself in six
Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:46):
It's even better. Yeah, because you get these wide channel widths. So, oh, this era, it supports 160 megahertz channels, which basically means you can pack a whole bunch of information in those megahertz and just send it all in one, go like a really big dump truck, full of stuff, full of data. Um,
Leo Laporte (01:51:06):
How, how much is it?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:09):
160 megahertz. Wow. Wide channels.
Leo Laporte (01:51:11):
So the entire FM band is, is 20 megahertz. Yeah. The entire am band, I think is 200 kilohertz. So that's a lot. You could get all the yeah. Am FM stations on there and then some, wow. Wow. That's pretty good.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:29):
But like 5g it's up there. So it, it does attenuate, it, it doesn't go through walls. Um, this is a short distance for prime usage, but so there's a, but Orbi links, uh, uh, Asus. They all have these routers out. So this is just the latest is zeroes routers. And I,
Leo Laporte (01:51:50):
I like you. I'm
Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:51):
Testing them now. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:51:52):
Ms. Stacy,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:52):
A lot of people do they're user friendly. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (01:51:54):
I've heard you say a couple of times short distance. So what exactly is, is considered short distance. When you talking about this particular wave length,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:03):
It depends on your environment, but think a couple of feet. Um, well think like not tens of feet, not like 10 feet, it's
Leo Laporte (01:52:13):
A room like 10 feet. It's basically a room. It's a room. It's yeah. So, but that's good because you don't, if you have a neighbor in an apartment next to you or even a house nowadays people blast their wifi. Yeah. They, that won't interfere with yours. Okay. Do you have any six devices?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:28):
I do. I, I have the phone you sent me. It was literally the
Ant Pruitt (01:52:32):
Only funny you should have. It was the
Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:34):
Only exchange device.
Leo Laporte (01:52:36):
I actually knew that I was so excited. Cause throughout the review it says, when testing speeds on the Samsung galaxy Z fold three in my dining room and a Samsung galaxy Z fold three has a wifi, 60 capable radio. That's good. I'm glad that makes it even better that you got that. Cuz otherwise you would, you wouldn't be able to test to test it. Yeah. Yeah. But that's a good point is most people do not have devices that will take advantage. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:00):
You don't need to rush out and buy this, but two years maybe I, I high at least soon, you know, here's you should buy it. If you've got like, if you have a pressing, like your wifi five router just broke then sure. Go get this go. Um, or get a 60 capable router. You can decide if you want.
Leo Laporte (01:53:18):
I would because it's a standard now. And so devices will start coming out just as, oh yeah. You know, most phones now are wifi six. It just took a little wild,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:26):
But don't don't I mean, again, you don't have to rush if you're gonna upgrade your computer or phone and you're gonna have a six G I would say, whenever you get your first six G device that you're really stoked about, you know, then you can go buy your first or sorry, six
Leo Laporte (01:53:41):
E
Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:41):
Echo, six E device, then go and get this, um, to go with it or go and get a six E capable router. Now I will say like the Orbis and the links, both of those are like 1500, $1,200. And they're multi, multi gigabit. Like I think it's eight and 11 gigabits per respectively. Arrow's done a nice job in the sense that if you don't have, if you have a gigabit connection, this is gonna be fine for you. If you've got a small office, you don't go up. Um, if you've got machines capable of transferring data inside your lean, or it would be your wan, um, or it would be your w sorry. Yeah. I'm like, let me get there then I guess, but it seems like overkill, like the cool thing for this story is I think I's probably taking the right tack, recognizing what we have available as bandwidth for consumers and serving something that is, it's still kind of pricey and
Leo Laporte (01:54:47):
Know what's. So it's about the same price as the older euros. So they're kind of, he,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:50):
I'm so pissed that I have the older euros.
Leo Laporte (01:54:53):
Yeah. They're spent
Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:54):
A lot of money for
Leo Laporte (01:54:55):
When Euro came out, they were considered really, really expensive. Everybody else has gone up and gone beyond them now. And Euroes just kind of stayed at that $500, uh, price point, which is good.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:55:07):
And it's so, and they also launched, I didn't review these, but they launched the six plus and then they lowered their price on their regular six ones. So, and honest it, the, the, the final thing I'll say about this, cuz I really was curious and have been for a while, Nick Weaver, who is the CEO of Euro. He said, Hey, you know what? I think five years is about the right time for transfer. Like switching
Leo Laporte (01:55:30):
Out your I'd say that's in routes. I'd agree with him.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:55:32):
And I'm, I agree with him
Leo Laporte (01:55:33):
Because technologies change, uh, unfortunately security issues crop up. Sometimes they don't get patched. It's probably a good idea. Every every four or five years to update your router. I agree.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:55:43):
So there you
Leo Laporte (01:55:44):
Go. How fast was my, how fast did you do a bandwidth test on the fine Samsung galaxy flip?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:55:51):
I did. And you know, I can't get above 500 megabits per second, anywhere in my house, on the device. That's which is, yes, it is. It is fine. But I do have a
Leo Laporte (01:56:00):
Gig gig. Yeah. Yeah. Wifi is almost always half what the nominal speed is.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:07):
Yeah. Internally the
Leo Laporte (01:56:10):
It's not a rule, but it's very common seems to be, I'd say 50 to 60% of, of, uh,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:16):
But it is. So I will say these are like two and a half to three X faster than my existing, like of my existing devices ran two to two and
Leo Laporte (01:56:25):
Very nice
Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:26):
Two and a half to three times faster.
Leo Laporte (01:56:27):
That's been a big change. Phones have gotten, uh, even on, uh, uh, 5g, but even on wifi, they've gotten much faster. It used to be the phone. Even if you could get a 500 megabit dimension, couldn't do more than a hundred or 200. They really, uh, they put better chips in there and better radio and they're much faster than they used to be.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:46):
Do you know if the iPhones have an upload limit? Cuz my husband noticed when he was testing on his iPhone, he could not get more than like one 20 something or one 30 and I didn't know. No,
Leo Laporte (01:56:56):
They may, they may be, you know what, let me look. I don't think I've ever seen more than a hundred megabits up. So maybe there is a link. Yeah. That may, that may be, I don't know. How would, would they do? How would you throttle up? Well, you don't, for one thing you don't wanna saturate the connections cuz if you do, then if you're using the maximum upstream, your downstream stops. So, but it also probably is to save money. I don't know. I'll investigate. That's a good question. I do not know. I'm actually are pretty excited because um, the new max, the Mac studios and uh, and some of the M one S support, 10 gigabit ethernet, and we, as it turns out, have 10 gigabit symmetric E uh, internet from Sonic, which nothing we've had, has been able to use. But I, but I now can, can. So I asked, uh, Russell, I said, is there any way I can get a 10 gigabit drop in my office? He said, yes. So we'll see. I will be, uh,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:53):
So you're gonna load a bunch of shows simultaneously in
Leo Laporte (01:57:56):
UK. Well, it doesn't really matter cuz there's no website gonna be able to keep up anyway, but you know, faster's always better. We are at the point now where we're really as fast as I, any website ever is gonna be, I think. But yeah, if you're downloading something from a very fast site, actually, you know what he said, uh, that the Google drive storage, we are in our, uh, editors have 10 gigabit at their desktops as well. And he's noticed that the Google drive uploads are very fast, not 10 maybe, but but much FA gigabits faster. So yeah, you can, you can. Uh, so here we go. Support scooter X on the jab from our chat room, iPhone, wifi specifications, channel bandwidths. Does this say what the, this just says what they can do? Oh yeah, here we go. Uh, maximum data rate. Yeah, it does look like on BG and N the, the, uh, is this up or down? Well, I dunno. Hmm. I'll have to, I'll have to do I, it's hard to tell. I have to look at this more carefully.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:08):
It, it may just be a weird thing on his phone. I don't,
Leo Laporte (01:59:12):
You should try it with a Samsung galaxy Z flip three. See how it works.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:17):
I did. What's the upstream. It works really well. Uh, hold on. Let me go back to my that's. I do not realize off the top of my head upstream was wow, hold on. Which is sorry, one, uh, 341 mega per second up
Leo Laporte (01:59:33):
Going up.
Jeff Jarvis (01:59:34):
It was pretty
Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:35):
Good. I was like, I could film a movie on my Samsung stream three
Leo Laporte (01:59:41):
String. It live Jeff Jarvis, your number of the week.
Jeff Jarvis (01:59:45):
Well, I'll, I'll let you see if you wanna do this. Um, I I'll a quick mention. First quick plug our friend near at Weis plat her book, tech lash. She was on the show cost a hundred dollars. It comes out tomorrow on paper, back in $25. Oh
Leo Laporte (01:59:58):
Good. It's a very good book. Highly recommend it
Jeff Jarvis (02:00:00):
Is. Yeah. Um, I don't know if you wanna do this later or not, but, uh, Cory Booker, my Senator just gave an amazing minute. Uh, during the hearings, that's going around video like crazy online.
Leo Laporte (02:00:12):
I did see what he said. Let's play a little bit of this. This is during the, uh, Kanji brown Ja uh, Jackson, um, hearings for Supreme court Booker of course, is, uh, uh, taking her testimony among others among their other senators. Here was what he had to say about her experience. So far as
Speaker 10 (02:00:32):
L Hughes let wrote, oh, let America be America again. The land that never has been yet, but yet must be the land where everyone is free. O yes, I say it plain. America never was America to me, but I swear this oath. America will be, that is the story of how you got to this desk. You and I, and everyone here, generations of folk who came here and said, America, I'm Irish. You say no, Irish or dogs need to apply, but I'm gonna show this country that I can be free here. I can make this country love me as much as I love it. Chinese Americans first forced engineer, slave labor, building our railroads, connecting our country, saw the ugliest of America, but they were the gonna build their home here and say, America, you may not love me yet, but I'm gonna make this nation live up to its promise and hope. LGBTQ Americans from Stonewall women to Seneca, hidden figures who didn't even get their play until some Hollywood movie finally talked about them and how they were critical for us to find in gravity. All of these people loved America. And so you faced insults here that were shocking to be, well, actually not shocking, not
Ant Pruitt (02:01:54):
Shocking.
Leo Laporte (02:01:54):
Oh, she's tearing up.
Speaker 10 (02:01:56):
Yeah, but you are here because of that kind of love. And nobody's taken this away from me. So you got five more folk to go through five more of us. And then you can sit back and let us have all the debates. And I'm gonna tell you it's gonna be a well charted Senate floor because it's not gonna stop you. They're gonna accuse you of this and that heck in honor of your person who shares your birthday, you might be called the communist, but don't worry. My sister, don't worry. God has got you. And how do I know that? Cause you're here and I know what it's taken for you to sit in that seat.
Leo Laporte (02:02:47):
He said your ancestors would be proud. Um, that was a nice speech. Now I'm cynical. And I know some others are, and it obviously was a prepared speech, but still beautiful, really beautiful.
Jeff Jarvis (02:03:00):
My huge poetry started.
Leo Laporte (02:03:01):
Yeah. I love that poem. That's a beautiful poem
Stacey Higginbotham (02:03:04):
Way to go, like saying, you know, you've had a really crappy time and people have asked you a tons of really crap questions. Let me just give you X amount of time and just build you back up. Yeah. Way to way to be unselfish court. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (02:03:21):
Yeah. I was thinking that probably once they get to the Supreme court in their chambers, I mean, now they've crossed that final hurdle, that's it? They don't have to worry for the rest of their lives about anything so bad ever again. And I imagine they sit around going when not a bitch and that was bad. Uh, but you made it, you made it through well, we hope she does. Um, uh, she's definitely qualified. Uh, good. Thank you, Jeff. No, I don't think I'm gonna play that, but it was a, it was a good idea. Anyway, what else you got good, Paul? No, I'm just kidding. Just kidding. Um, just like what
Jeff Jarvis (02:03:58):
I was very confused
Leo Laporte (02:03:59):
There. I, well, you kept saying as if I had a choice, now you may not wanna do this, but
Jeff Jarvis (02:04:06):
You could have said we don't do politics in the char course, the case, or you could have said no, no, no, Jeff, I really want that Benedict Evans advertising column and for you to go through it in detail.
Leo Laporte (02:04:14):
Ooh, no, we're gonna skip that one this week. How about you? And you got a thing?
Ant Pruitt (02:04:19):
Uh, yeah, one thing is something totally random in the eye that I do on Saturdays or Sundays and it's called LA flights and it is a group of gentlemen that go to the LA, uh, airport, set up a couple cameras and live stream a couple days a week for like 12 hours straight of just watching the airplanes come in and leave. And they talk about it. And it's beautiful. Video quality, beautiful audio. Uh, I don't know how they're doing it, but I'm sure Alex, Lindsay knows how they're
Leo Laporte (02:04:52):
Doing. I know who knows Johnny jet knows they hang out at the, in and out burger and outside LA airport, which has a very good view of the runway. I think that's what Johnny said was the internet. It is
Ant Pruitt (02:05:03):
Great. I love watching it and I'll watch it for hours and just, just like great white noise for me. And I said, I should share this cuz I, I do this
Leo Laporte (02:05:11):
Every, you must be a member cuz I can't. Some of this is members only content.
Ant Pruitt (02:05:15):
Oh I guess I am I maybe paying in for it.
Leo Laporte (02:05:18):
Yeah. Yeah. Look, look at that. I can't see how it, I guess I need to look. Oh, I'm no wonder I'm in the members. Only section, here we go.
Ant Pruitt (02:05:24):
I need to look. Uh, but yeah, I like LA flights on YouTube and then, um, next is a pick that came from a friend of mine and uh, another listener of TWIG. It's the sound of, I've never seen this app and I thought it was quite awesome because now I just go outside and hold my phone up and it will help identify the birds that are making all of the da gum noise at 5:00 AM in the morning.
Leo Laporte (02:05:52):
I'll give you a hint. They're all crows. Every damn one of 'em. Well it ain't
Ant Pruitt (02:05:55):
That it ain't Crow. No,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:56):
It's the songbird.
Ant Pruitt (02:05:59):
I get those. I get this stupid Turkey and um, of course the Hawks and stuff are out there. It's always
Leo Laporte (02:06:06):
Tubs. We have some doves.
Ant Pruitt (02:06:07):
Yeah. Those doves. Oh look,
Leo Laporte (02:06:09):
She's got ghost. She can tell you about
Ant Pruitt (02:06:11):
Every of them when you share
Leo Laporte (02:06:13):
This.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:13):
This is only for visual though.
Leo Laporte (02:06:15):
20 anniversary gift is a bird diagram. Am this comes from Cornell. Actually they did. This is a really cool, yeah,
Ant Pruitt (02:06:23):
Yeah. It has like three or four different components. You have a visual component. You also have an audio component that you have to download. And of course it's gonna want your location in the app to sort of help, you know, figure out what's what exactly is around you. But that's uh, it, the sound of um, the Merlin app
Leo Laporte (02:06:40):
Android,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:41):
I will tell you y'all I have used the Merlin app. It's one of my, you know, I've got like my identify mountains, identify planes. I also have the Merlin. Oh
Leo Laporte (02:06:50):
Really? It is awesome. You have a thing about identifying stuff.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:53):
I like to know what's around that's I like,
Leo Laporte (02:06:56):
Yeah. That's very cool. And finally,
Ant Pruitt (02:07:00):
Lastly, I just want to give a shout out to somebody we all know and love is it felt good cuz I was like, Hmm, I've had that. And she hasn't had it yet, but um, miss Lisa Laport was sharing a wine called black girl magic and it is a great, great, great, um, tasting wine. This, this is a red bland I've had there Ling, but it's the McBride sisters and I just want to show them some love. It's
Leo Laporte (02:07:27):
Two, two black women out of passive rebels. Yeah. And it's funny, we Uncorked it for the Jackson brown hearings. That's
Ant Pruitt (02:07:35):
What she was telling me this morning. She was like, yeah, I'm gonna have some
Leo Laporte (02:07:39):
Mine. She says watching Kangi brown Jackson's hearings for a Supreme court seat. Now looking forward to a confirmation, a little black girl magic shake it. Good. That's a little sisterhood. Yeah. Going to the airwaves.
Ant Pruitt (02:07:49):
It's
Leo Laporte (02:07:50):
Uh, it was quite good. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. She was very, she said, should I tweet this? I said, hell yeah. Hell yeah. And uh, and then we were waiting to see if you reacted. Cuz if you approved, then we know it was
Ant Pruitt (02:08:04):
Well, I also just, I dig miss Lisa, cuz she's helping me get my, my wine game up. She is, you know, cause I'm, I'm still nude to all this stuff. Yeah. And that particular Ling discussing, um, it threw me off a bit because when I knowed it, it smelled like um, fresh cut grass.
Leo Laporte (02:08:23):
That's good.
Ant Pruitt (02:08:24):
It, I didn't like that. I was like, Ooh, this is, this is not my you
Leo Laporte (02:08:28):
Thing. You have a very good nose. That's but I
Ant Pruitt (02:08:30):
Had it with fish and it was delicious.
Leo Laporte (02:08:32):
Delicious. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (02:08:33):
Oh it was delicious. But the nose just sort of threw me off. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (02:08:37):
Thank you, aunt Pruit, hands on photography. What do you be covering this uh, next couple of weeks here.
Ant Pruitt (02:08:42):
Well, we got a lot going on. I'm checking out. Uh, an app. Uh, luminaire. Neo is, is up on deck and looking
Leo Laporte (02:08:50):
Oh Ukrainian company
Ant Pruitt (02:08:52):
From sky.
Leo Laporte (02:08:53):
Yep.
Ant Pruitt (02:08:53):
And um, we have our moon photography channel. So folks go ahead and keep sending in your photos. I've been seeing a bunch come in, make sure there's something fairly new. Don't send me something you shot last year. The whole point of these challenges are for you to get off your butt and go shoot. So send me your moon photos to hop at
Leo Laporte (02:09:11):
TWI stuff. Speaking of butts.
Ant Pruitt (02:09:13):
Yeah. This thing
Leo Laporte (02:09:14):
How's yours. Oh, I am so ready to get outta here. Can you hurry up please? I gotta get, oh my God. I'm sitting on a stick and it's no fun. Well, yeah, stay. Thank you. twi.tv/ho P and don't forget some big events coming up and is our community manager in the, uh, discord, our, our club discord. And uh, we let's see this week. We've got Stacy's book
Ant Pruitt (02:09:42):
Club. That's tomorrow. We're gonna talk unauthorized bread by our very own favorite. Mr. Court doctoral. Nice. Next week. We'll be 9:00 AM. That's right. 9:00 AM. Pacific time in the discord. And then, uh, next week we'll have Mr. Paul Thra with the AMA same time on Thursday. And then coming up after that, finally Look
Leo Laporte (02:10:05):
At, finally look at there.
Ant Pruitt (02:10:06):
It won't be anymore panic Mr. Jeff Jarvis. And I are gonna say so. So what
Leo Laporte (02:10:11):
Is a, uh, uh, what do you expect to be sir?
Ant Pruitt (02:10:14):
Um, just be you
Leo Laporte (02:10:18):
Little dance, little TikTok, little song.
Ant Pruitt (02:10:20):
Just be, you just be, you I'll have, I'll have, um, some, some questions for you and then I'll allow the members to put their questions in too. But yeah, just, just be you. I'm going to pick, come on, come on. And I'll do my very best. Not to make fun of you.
Speaker 8 (02:10:37):
Oh no. I would expect nothing less that you should.
Leo Laporte (02:10:39):
These are some of the many things that go on in our club club. TWI was created for people who didn't want to hear ads, but did wanna support the network $7 a month gets you ad free versions of every show, including this one. You can all also get access to the discord, which is really a party 24 7, all kinds of topics, not just show topics. And then the members only TWI plus feed, which include shows you can't get in any other way. Like the untitled Linux show and the GI fizz. And uh, of course these, uh, fireside chats, we have all sorts of stuff in there. Uh, all of that@clubtwiistwi.tv slash club TWI. If you wanna join, we'd love to have you seven bucks a month. twi.tv/club TWI. Here comes another member. Now
Speaker 8 (02:11:23):
We're
Ant Pruitt (02:11:23):
Just a small glass of wine.
Speaker 8 (02:11:27):
Another tribute. Don't say it. I look like, don't say it looks like me please. I can't keep here. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (02:11:35):
Yeah. Can't change my profile again. Uh, a Mr. Jeff Jarvis of course is the director of the town night center for entrepreneurial
Speaker 8 (02:11:53):
Journalism@thenewcraignewmarkgraduateschoolofjournalismatthecityunivers….
Leo Laporte (02:11:53):
And medium's great to have you Jeff and always a
Speaker 8 (02:11:57):
Pleasure.
Leo Laporte (02:11:58):
Stacey Higginbotham Stacy on iot.com. Subscribe to her free newsletter, check out her events and the podcast with Kevin. TOFL the IOT podcast. We are talking about Kevin yesterday, or maybe it was Sunday w uh, chat room. Do you remember
Ant Pruitt (02:12:16):
Steam? Was it steam on the Chromebook?
Leo Laporte (02:12:19):
No. Kevin came up with a term. He was the first, when he was at giga home to use a term that we all use now. And I can't remember what it was, but
Speaker 8 (02:12:29):
Back
Leo Laporte (02:12:29):
Break, maybe it was on Mac break yesterday. I cannot remember. Oh, well, uh, anyway, chat room. I hope his ears are, uh, burning, cuz we were talking about him on the, uh, show the other day. Thank you, Stacy.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:12:41):
Thank y'all. I, this went so fast. I didn't even have time to get hungry.
Speaker 8 (02:12:45):
So
Leo Laporte (02:12:45):
That's because Leo's butt is
Speaker 8 (02:12:48):
The chair. Thank the
Leo Laporte (02:12:50):
Chair,
Ant Pruitt (02:12:51):
Man. I wish we had that wide camera going most of the day. It's been so funny just
Speaker 8 (02:12:56):
Watching you. Oh Lord. Oh,
Leo Laporte (02:13:00):
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