This Week in Google Episode 655 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for TWiG. This Week in Google Ant Pruitt is here from Hands-on Photography. Stacey Higginbotham from Stacy on IOT. Professor of journalism at CUNY Jeff Jarvis. Lots to talk about the first deep fakes of president Zalinsky will it fool anybody and get ready more to come. Should we stop using Kaspersky and antivirus and TikTok stars getting a white house briefing. I think Saturday night live did it best. It's all coming up. Next on TWiG.

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Leo Laporte (00:01:43):
It's time for TWiG this week in Google, the show we covered the latest news from Google and the Google verse. The Facebook verse, the Twitter verse, the Instagram verse, Stacey Higginbotham is here from Stacy on Hello, Stacy. That is a lovely sweater you were wearing. And for the radio audience, I just wanna describe it. It's like a speckled Robins egg. If a Robins egg were black and white,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:07):
It's Funfetti

Leo Laporte (00:02:09):
Funfetti. Is that what they call it?

Jeff Jarvis (00:02:11):
It has a touch.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:11):
Looks like funfetti cake.

Leo Laporte (00:02:13):
Yeah. Fun boat too. Yeah, it's a fish fish boat meets fun Fetty. And that is Jeff Jarvis Leonard tower professor for journalistic innovation at the Craig Newmark graduate school of journalism at the city university of New York. And I'm thinking we really do sound like a morning show. Actually this point we do get the side effects and everything just own it. That's aunt Pruit. I'm Lil Leo. He's the mighty aunt Pruit TWiT do TV slash hop. That's right. We're out his Dels a little earlier. So stand back. They might burst through the screen. My DS need a little work. You, I saw you on Twitter saying how hard it was to work the Dels. It is well, the rear Del in particular's the rear DS, the shoulder muscles, right? The deltoids. Correct. But you have three heads on your, on your shoulders and the rear Delta is the hardest one to work out. So they, they say you have a good head on your shoulders. They're talking about your deltoids. Sure, sure. Ah, the reason we're in a kind of weird mood is for the last half hour we were playing with this Amazon amp. We talked about last week, turns out one of the founders heard us or more likely his clip service alerted him.

Jeff Jarvis (00:03:27):
No, I'm sure he's a regular loyal listener

Leo Laporte (00:03:31):

Jeff Jarvis (00:03:31):
Machine for this week in Amazon,

Leo Laporte (00:03:32):
Matt Sandler. He said thanks for the kind words about, on amp love for you to play the beta play with a beta. So he gave us a code, turns out the codes are easy to come by. You have to have an iOS device. It's an iPhone thing. Ooh. And I played a song. I made some noises. One person did a lot of noise. Well, a lot of noise you tune in at the end. And then one person was listening, which is took a call. We took a call from here, live in studio. But it was fun, fun, meta, its kind of amazing really how technology makes it possible to do something that, you know, in an earlier time, my time took a lot of money and a transmitter and a tower and a radio was.

Jeff Jarvis (00:04:16):
Like Howard Stern screaming about how podcasts a re ridiculous. And before you made a fortune of it

Leo Laporte (00:04:21):
He's so wrong. People kept telling stern, do a podcast. He said, no, they're a joke. Kind of like the classical radio guy. Right.

Jeff Jarvis (00:04:33):
Sor was, I mean I called into him or

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:34):
Like the old magazine people.

Leo Laporte (00:04:36):
Yeah. Same thing.

Jeff Jarvis (00:04:37):
That's true too.

Leo Laporte (00:04:38):
Same thing. Yeah. but you know, stern got what they say 200 million or 500 million, 500 million to do to move to satellite from broadcast. Yeah. That works. He's fine. He's doing right. Yeah. Rogan only got 200 million Poor SAP, poor SAP 

Jeff Jarvis (00:04:58):
By the way, whatever happened to Joe Rogan,

Leo Laporte (00:05:01):
He's still there. This is the funny,

Jeff Jarvis (00:05:04):
When you no discussion of him now.

Leo Laporte (00:05:05):
Yeah. Well yeah. It just kind of came and went. I'm glad you know what happened. The war in Ukraine happened really

Jeff Jarvis (00:05:10):
Well. Exactly real news

Leo Laporte (00:05:12):
And then all of the silly news went by the wayside for a while. Good gas prices went over four bucks by the way. It's over five bucks a year. Yeah. So a six. Yeah. It's like six. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:05:24):
Well California has always been ridiculous.

Leo Laporte (00:05:25):
Well we have a,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:26):
Yeah. I always tell people that you're paying California prices now.

Leo Laporte (00:05:29):
Yay. There is. I don't know if I think this is, why's still not paying European. There's there's a law that gas you buy in California has to be refined in California. So it's more expensive cause they have to ship it here crude and then they refine it. So

Jeff Jarvis (00:05:42):
It's ridiculous. Cause it

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:44):
Still less than what they

Jeff Jarvis (00:05:45):

Leo Laporte (00:05:45):
Protection laws, its a protection law it's it was passed by the refineries. I'm sure it's like the chicken tax. We're talking about this with Sam Abuel Samid the chicken tax. Do you know about the chicken tax?

Jeff Jarvis (00:05:58):
All your chickens have

Ant Pruitt (00:05:59):
Details, sir.

Leo Laporte (00:06:00):
There's a 25%, 25% tariff on light trucks imported into the us. Let me tell you how that started. Lydon Johnson imposed the tariff in 1964 in retaliation for European tariffs on American chicken imports or exports for us into Europe 20. So they charge 25% on our chickens. So we charge 25% on their trucks. But in 1964 there weren't a lot of Americans importing light trucks from Europe, right? So the chicken taxes gone long gone. In fact, the average us tariff rate on imports is 2%, but the chicken tax on light trucks still stands. How, which, which means it's bizarre. And so for this reason a lot of trucks are, it's actually been good for the truck industry in the United States. Not so good, maybe for competition and prices for people buying them, the original order was a 25% tariff on potato starch, dextrin, Brandy, and light trucks. Ah, one of these things is not like the other, Everything, all the other products, the tariffs are gone except for the light trucks. That's why they call it the chicken tax. This is to me why trade regulation is not often as is to benefit somebody. Well,

Jeff Jarvis (00:07:25):
And also I've mentioned this book a tons of time, but, but I love this book about the history of the great Atlantic and Pacific P company as the first chain store in America. Yeah. And the regular legislation that came out raised prices to protect mom and pop groceries and hurt consumers and voters. Right. Protectionism always does that.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:43):
Okay. Hold Up

Jeff Jarvis (00:07:45):
Corporate of corporate entities.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:48):
Well yeah, maybe, or you also might have benefits outside of just, I mean raising prices to consumers is not the only rubric we should look at. We should also look at like how the word was it better to work under a mom and pop store? Maybe

Jeff Jarvis (00:08:03):
Was there any stopping progress? No.

Leo Laporte (00:08:06):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:07):
There's but there is a chance to say, Hey, is this progress giving us the benefits we want across

Leo Laporte (00:08:14):
The I'm not against

Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:15):
That this price, the only benefit we want,

Leo Laporte (00:08:17):
I'm not against that. The problem is these things tend to last outlast their utility and they have also all sorts of unintended consequences. The chicken,

Jeff Jarvis (00:08:25):
The, the chicken is out the bar,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:27):
Every doing nothing has unintended Consequences.

Leo Laporte (00:08:30):
Well that's true. No, you're right. You're right. I mean it is Congress's job to try to level the playing field. The only problem is all that money on one side of the Seasaw really changes the equation. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:08:42):
That is

Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:43):
A hundred percent true.

Leo Laporte (00:08:45):
Yeah. Hey, we knew it was gonna happen. It has happened about eight hours ago, a video, a fake video with Ukraine, president Zelensky was published, asking Ukraine troops to retreat and surrender their weapons. But it was a deep fake and,

Jeff Jarvis (00:09:04):
And an obvious deep, fake,

Leo Laporte (00:09:06):
I think, fortunately in fact, I'll show it to you fortunately an obvious deep fake, but it's only a matter of time before they're notobvious, right?

Leo Laporte (00:09:15):
No, I don't understand Russian, but or UK Ukrainian

Leo Laporte (00:09:22):
That's not his voice. His head is kind not, but you know, you're on a battlefield looking at it on a small phone, you might, you know, you might wanna kind of retreat. You might wanna stop fighting. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:09:36):
We don't think about these deep fixes. They're generally deep stupidity.

Leo Laporte (00:09:41):
How long is that gonna? How long do we count on

Jeff Jarvis (00:09:43):
That? Well, but then we have it's cool Systems. This happened in text. It happened in photos. It happens in every medium of communication that comes along. And that's why we have things like branded news organizations to tell you what's real and not, and to put the effort into reporting them. I I'm not terribly concerned.

Leo Laporte (00:10:01):

Ant Pruitt (00:10:02):
This is, it's sad that that's out there, but I still enjoy the fact that there's tech available, that we can utilize this from a creative,

Leo Laporte (00:10:10):
You like Adobe's AI

Ant Pruitt (00:10:12):
For instance. And as well as even the black magic design stuff too, it it's, it's good for creating decent, cool content, but yet it can be put into the wrong hands and put stuff like that out

Leo Laporte (00:10:24):
There. Here's a, here's a really good example of how it's not black and white. In any case, we've talked a lot about a clear view, AI that were scraping face, face recognition from public places like Facebook. There's all sorts of issues with face recognition anyway. Yep. Especially with people of color. Yep. But there are some uses for it. Ukraine has started to use clear view AI to identify Russian soldiers good or bad. I don't know. It's

Ant Pruitt (00:10:57):
Seems like it's a lot of that going on one, one bit of tech or, or some story that's happening around this war where it's it, you, you want this AI to be for the power of good, but yet at the same time, it's still a bit of a mess

Leo Laporte (00:11:12):
And go beef both ways.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:13):
Well, it clarifies that tech is a tool and we can use it. And it also offers good examples of why or how it could be used in a negative way and in a positive way. So then you can start thinking about legislation or regulation around it,

Leo Laporte (00:11:30):
Clear view AI gave Ukraine free access. They're using it at checkpoints as people are coming and going to at people of interest among other things. Yeah, I think this is a good use of it. We talked about Taylor swift using face recognition at concerts to keep stalkers away another, a good, a good use. So yeah,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:54):
Questionable use might be retail stores like home Depot or target using facial recognition to profile shoplifters putting into their stores. Right? Yeah. Or, sorry, accused shoplift. It's

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:06):
Not just accused, but, but tried and guilty shoplifters would

Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:13):
Be, but they're not just they're, they're doing alleged. They're not just convicted shoplifters.

Leo Laporte (00:12:18):
Well they're currently and because of the high false rate of false positives, that's another issue. Yeah. Mean, we've seen now a number of stories in the last couple of weeks of black men who have been held in prison who have been arrested, detained because they incorrectly were. Yep. By 

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:35):
Thought they fixed eyewitnesses.

Leo Laporte (00:12:36):
Eyewitnesses are terrible

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:38):
Witnesses for years and years and years and years. And so the, the discussion at the level of principle is the degree of, of confirmation that would be needed for either to be believed.

Leo Laporte (00:12:50):
Here's a test. And

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:51):
I think you raise another important point too, is what, what, this is all doing a lot of the presumptions about bad use or bad activities of the platforms. A war puts that in a different light. Sure does. So platform is getting rid of bad content. Well, they get rid of RT. Okay. Well then Russia kills a platform and people can't can't get any information, not so, okay. Right. And it creates a new context for the discussion. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (00:13:18):
There's a story in our rundown about slack that it hit close to home because I, that troubled me. Yeah. I don't use I don't use Google Hangouts or anything anymore, but my family, our chat is slack.

Leo Laporte (00:13:33):
Really? Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (00:13:35):
Our, our group chat is slack. You

Jeff Jarvis (00:13:37):
Points to each other.

Ant Pruitt (00:13:39):
I'm not gonna comment on that. 

Leo Laporte (00:13:41):
So what do, what, what story, the one about slack cutting off access to yes.

Ant Pruitt (00:13:45):
One. Cause they're being sanction, but at the same time, what about the people there in Russia that has nothing to do with that war? That may be just like the Pruit family and use it as group chat. Right. You know, to communicate, to make sure, Hey, you got an appointment at four, o'clock make sure you're there on time. You know, stuff like that.

Jeff Jarvis (00:14:05):
Or developers trying to stay employed within the economy or, or dissidents arranging events. 

Leo Laporte (00:14:12):
Yeah. Well the truth is a lot of these sanction seem a little misguided. They seem well, they people do 'em for a couple of reasons. Sometimes they just do it to look good. Right.

Ant Pruitt (00:14:22):
Virtual signal. Yeah. Signaling. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:14:25):
So there's certainly that, I don't know if slack, that's why Salesforce is doing it, but they own slack. But the other thing I think is a, is even more serious concern is it seems to be, you're doing this to put pressure on the populous, to what overthrow Putin. They're not, are

Ant Pruitt (00:14:45):
They gonna do responsible,

Leo Laporte (00:14:46):
Love the war, right. If you wanna punish oligarchs who are benefiting from Putin, that's one thing. But, but if you're a Russian citizen, many of them seem to be against the war. They're suffering greatly, as we know. And what, what is the end game of that? That, that you overthrow that like what you're gonna rise up is that what we're trying to get done here? Putin doesn't care. Right.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:15:07):

Leo Laporte (00:15:07):
Putin care

Stacey Higginbotham (00:15:08):
Sees the yachts? Don't take away their productivity software. There

Leo Laporte (00:15:11):
You go. Yes. There you go. There's a slogan. Take the yachts, not my slack show title, take my yachts please. Russian saying farewell to Instagram. This is another example of that. In fact, Instagram is really why that was white

Jeff Jarvis (00:15:27):
People. Wasn't that? Because Russia cut it off. Russia cut off

Leo Laporte (00:15:32):
On that side. Yeah. Well the hell with you, Russia farewell posts at midnight on Sunday,

Jeff Jarvis (00:15:38):
They gave them time to say goodbye too, which is fast

Leo Laporte (00:15:41):
48 hour grace period to say goodbye to Instagram. The reason Russia regulator gave Russ come no, or is that meta has decided to, to allow posts calling for violence against Russians on Instagram and Facebook. So, and you know what, honestly, if you take out the, the invading Ukraine part of this, I kind of, of course, if, if we wouldn't want Russians to be able to on a social network advocating for the assassination of no, we wouldn't our people, no. The company made an exception to its policy against inciting violence. So long as the post represented political expression against Russian forces, invading Ukraine. Oh. Calls for violence against ordinary Russians, citizens are prohibited. So Russia decided to cut off Instagram. Yeah. You know, that is a different story cuz that's Russia doing it. Right. I don't know. This is it's it's, you know, it's, it's like charity bill gates said, I'm not gonna donate money until I can do it. Right. I'm not supposed to throw money at things. And, and I think it's the same thing where it's hard to figure out what the right action is and where the, in the case of charity where the money should go,

Jeff Jarvis (00:16:59):
This is where

Leo Laporte (00:17:00):
Stacy sanctions.

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:01):
And I will come to agreement, I think is that she says all the time that we need discussion. And I say all the time we need principles. And, and then yeah, we need discussion about principles. What is it that we think what's the internet we want on what principle should it be to be ruled? How free should expression be? How much should we fight for that? Even in the case, even in such cases as this 

Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:22):
And how do we, how do we make exceptions? Because that's another, I mean, like it's silly to think. I mean, we might have fabulous moral principles, right. But at the end of the day, we all have to make decisions kind of individually or even collectively about what we're gonna throw under the bus as it were.

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:40):
Yeah. But on what basis what's our

Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:43):
Goal. And then we just have to commit to it.

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:46):
Yeah. Or change it. The thing too, Stacy you're right. Is that, is that you can hit it. You can hit an exception and say, ah, that means the rule, the principal was, was, was wrongly fought through. And so you can change that, but you should live with the principal. You then put out there. I, I think

Leo Laporte (00:18:02):
Here's another complication or

Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:03):
You can say, yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:18:04):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:05):
Ahead, go ahead.

Leo Laporte (00:18:05):
Here's another complicated one. Kaspersky antivirus, very widely used comes out of Russia. The German government has said stop using Kaspersky because we're worried it could be used to attack us as a back door. The German federal office for information security published, the wording. That's

Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:24):
Been an issue for a while.

Leo Laporte (00:18:26):
Well, we remember in fact that Kaspersky was implicated in the famous leak of N NSA tools from the United States. Remember that I'm trying to what was the name of those tools? Let me see if I can find that the NSA co who brought those tools home had Kaspersky antivirus on his computer. One of the ways Kaspersky works is if it senses something that's potentially dangerous, not necessarily something it has signatures for, then a lot of antivirus are doing this now has what's called cloud detection. They will take what think is bad and upload it to the cloud. Well, as it turned out, what it got was the NSA tools and they were uploaded to the cloud in Russia. And it's always been thought that Kaspersky had connections with the Russian intelligence agents. And they think that's how the, the NSA tools be were leaked in fact to Russia.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:19:32):
It's. And that, that sense, I mean, every government is looking for zero day attacks. So

Leo Laporte (00:19:38):
Cause Persky by

Stacey Higginbotham (00:19:38):
People's antivirus is a great way to get to that

Leo Laporte (00:19:42):
Kaspersky lab. This is from the story, which was back four years ago, Kaspersky lab does not dispute a discovered hacking tools on the computer. But they, they say it's the NSA contractor's fault for bringing it home. They were using the company's antivirus software when it detected a piece of malware attributed to the equation group. That was the name of an in 2014, sometime after that, the contractor disabled Kaspersky. But they're not sure when then he turned it on because he had downloaded and installed some malware. This guy should not be a contractor for the NSA. He downloaded, installed some malware trying to pirate Microsoft office. Lovely. The malware dropped from the Trojan eyes. Key gym was a full blown back door. So they say, Kaspersky says it wasn't us. The guy installed the back door. Eugene Kaspersky who's is, you know, pretty well liked in the security community has said, we, we, we are not part of the Russian government. And we think that this announcement from Germany was political. Not because of any technical, not for any technical basis. This is another one. It's very hard. We

Jeff Jarvis (00:20:59):
Believe him. Russia don't mix. Yeah. Right. This a practical level. Yeah. I mean, cuz first I've met him. He, he would went to, he was, he was a major fixture at AVOs back in the day. And, and he, you know, was very good at presenting a portrait of himself as someone whose business dependent upon the credibility of their security. Right. But at some point you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleece, right?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:26):
Eh, I would argue that the way all nations deal with cyber security we'd have the same issue coming, looking from the outside, in, at the us.

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:35):
A lot of nations have problems with us.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:37):
Yeah. We're

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:38):
Why Brazil

Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:39):
We're rid ourselves.

Ant Pruitt (00:21:42):
Oh yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:43):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:45):
I mean, not me, but the us.

Ant Pruitt (00:21:49):

Leo Laporte (00:21:51):
Kaspersky has been careful not to criticize the Ukraine invasion too. He, he said tweeted recently. He hoped negotiations would lead to a compromise between Russia and the Ukraine.

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:04):
Nice tribe. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:22:06):
It's you, that's a fine line.

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:09):
They are killing civilians. Nice

Leo Laporte (00:22:11):
Drunk. Yeah. Yeah. let's see here, this, this there's a few stories. Jason was worried that this was a light news day. There's some stories, there's

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:22):
Some stories by the way, by the way. I'm sorry. But he, he put in the, the, the possible title as Jason does as we go along. Yeah. So take the yachts, not the slacks. It sounds like it's take my pants,

Ant Pruitt (00:22:34):
Beat you with my pants. I like it.

Leo Laporte (00:22:37):
I like it. That may be the title. I don't know, unless something better comes along. So you saw Saturday night live making fun of the fact This, this, this, this still is enough making fun of the fact that the white house invited TikTok influencers To a briefing about how they can help with Ukraine. Now, if you're looking at this picture and you're not a talker, you probably don't know that there is a very famous Asian guy and talker who strange things okay. With plungers and dad explains it. Yeah. Cause I'm like, why does he have

Stacey Higginbotham (00:23:15):
I'm on TikTok? And I had no idea. I was,

Leo Laporte (00:23:17):
You've not seen his, a real person. He started not on TikTok. He started, I think probably on Instagram or somewhere else, but certainly I've seen a lot of that. But on the other hand, TikTok feed,

Ant Pruitt (00:23:29):

Leo Laporte (00:23:30):
I think it's probably a good thing for the white house to reach out to social media influencers.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:23:36):
It's good to explain. I mean, I think it's always good to brief people and give 'em your side as a story and explain what's happening and to provide ways to find more information. I mean, that is never a bad idea.

Leo Laporte (00:23:46):
It's I understand a little, but they're not upsetting for trained professionals, but oh, there's a, but

Stacey Higginbotham (00:23:53):
Oh, I was gonna say, but you also have to hope that these creators recognize they're being potentially spun. If that makes sense. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:24:03):
I mean,

Jeff Jarvis (00:24:03):
But another way to look at, I butt to your butt, I'll raise your butt, see your butt and raise a butt. Is that sorry? I thought that was done too. Ladies outta my mouth. Your ear, however, I'll see your however and, and, and, and, and match. However, is that it also shows respect

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:20):

Jeff Jarvis (00:24:22):
The people. I remember when bloggers were allowed into the conventions to cover the con the political conventions. That was a big deal to say, bloggers can matter, But

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:32):
You're right. Yeah. It's totally validating. And I think, I mean, I think ultimately I didn't make fun of the white, like people were making fun of the white house. I was like, why are you making fun? This is a great our step. Yeah. And I don't know who they invited or what they were trying to do, but there are like legit news platforms on TikTok.

Leo Laporte (00:24:49):
Well, they, they weren't inviting traditional news platforms. They invited influencers.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:53):
No, but there's like under the desk news, although now they have a deal with the LA times.

Ant Pruitt (00:24:58):
I remember you mentioning them before under the, under the desk news,

Leo Laporte (00:25:01):
There's a Ukrainian journalist Jules Al of who does good morning, bad news. He's been doing many brief. He said it was kinda like a briefing for kindergartners, but he's kind of more up on this. The problem is, is the, the norms have just disappeared. So I mean, obviously you brief the newspapers and the news channel. They

Jeff Jarvis (00:25:22):
Have their press briefings everything,

Leo Laporte (00:25:24):
And then they have regular press briefings. But what if there's a, an influencer who has 10 times the audience of CNN? Like

Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:32):
You wanna make sure that those people aren't saying dumb

Leo Laporte (00:25:35):
Stuff, right? So this is one of them, Ellie, this is from the Washington post story about this Ellie zer. She's 18. She has 10 and a half million followers. That's more than CNN. Right. That's more than, than all the news channels combined

Jeff Jarvis (00:25:49):

Leo Laporte (00:25:49):
Wolf. And I mean, no. And so of course you gotta reach out to, and yes, they're not trained professional journalists so they could be, you know, it's fun. Yep. But, but at, I don't know, you want to give 'em information. I think I, it would behoove the white house. Not to,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:07):
You want them to, yeah. You want them to have the facts as you see them. I mean, that's, I I'm just skeptical, you know,

Ant Pruitt (00:26:16):
If those skeptic, those same influencers take the information that they're given and spin it themselves into some other malarkey, because they can, because they have that kind of reach well that's and that's going to,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:27):
That's what the American to

Ant Pruitt (00:26:28):
Make them more viral.

Jeff Jarvis (00:26:29):
That's Fox news in the press room,

Ant Pruitt (00:26:30):
You know? Right.

Leo Laporte (00:26:32):

Ant Pruitt (00:26:32):
Still the same old crap that we're dealing with from the smaller,

Leo Laporte (00:26:36):
Sorry, I haven't,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:36):
Yeah. I mean, this isn't magic. Its

Leo Laporte (00:26:38):
Just talking to me, wait a minute. Lemme,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:39):
If you believe in the power of information and transparency, you have to look at this and say that's a positive move to be like, Hey yeah, we're gonna tell you what we know and what we're telling professional news people, because we know that you have a following. If you choose to go this and take this and go do crazy things with it, maybe you don't get invited back or right. But

Jeff Jarvis (00:27:01):
That's so why TikTok

Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:03):
The most American thing

Jeff Jarvis (00:27:04):
In the world Instagramers?

Leo Laporte (00:27:05):
Well, that's an interesting question. I would hope they would do Instagramers YouTubers might even be more. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:27:11):
Yeah. I mean John and Hank green, the TikTok is

Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:14):
They're where they they're where the youths are. They're where the attention is right now. Also

Jeff Jarvis (00:27:19):
A lot of Ukrainian attention now, too,

Leo Laporte (00:27:21):
But yeah. Yeah. Youtube, I guess you can't, you can't necessarily get it everywhere. Right? I don't know.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:29):
Well, and you maybe, maybe the white house is kind of like, well actually that doesn't make sense. I was just saying maybe they don't wanna deal with Google or meta, but they probably really don't wanna deal with China,

Jeff Jarvis (00:27:38):
Chinese guy. Yeah. Like,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:40):
Oh, do we wanna do it with yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:27:45):
Here's let me, can I play, am I allowed to play a little of this? I don't understand why not?

Jeff Jarvis (00:27:49):
It's it's not a song.

Leo Laporte (00:27:50):
It's not music.

Speaker 7 (00:27:51):
Is there something even more powerful? We can attack him with poems. Oh

Speaker 8 (00:27:58):
No. It's that girl.

Leo Laporte (00:27:59):
There's one where you know, they do the TikTok dance you with the five reasons why he shouldn't go to war with

Speaker 9 (00:28:08):
We got it.

Leo Laporte (00:28:09):
I know nothing about either.

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:12):
He does a great Jen sake. She's

Leo Laporte (00:28:14):
She's perfect.

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:15):

Leo Laporte (00:28:16):
For sake. Yeah. He's not a great button.

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:19):
No, he is not. Yeah. By the way, the, the, the other SNL, I'm not jumping to that. My favorite SNL was the Amazon store. SNL.

Leo Laporte (00:28:28):
I guess we could do that one too. And actually that was pretty right on it. Really. This might not have been the best cold open I ever saw, but they were mocking the grab and go stores that Amazon has, let me, let me go to the I'm sure it'll be posted on Amazon. Play this again. I feel so nervous. It's not music. Yeah, but you can't. No.

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:51):
How about this? How about this? Well,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:53):
Cluster them all in

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:54):
The show and

Leo Laporte (00:28:55):
Then we we'll see, the whole thing will get taken down.

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:58):
We'll we're gonna, if, if how about this? It's we're gonna play it right now. We're gonna take that out of the main feed. We're nervous, but we will put it and everything we say about it into the club fee

Leo Laporte (00:29:10):
85. This is a, this is a, a parody of the stores. Amazon has, as you know where you go in and you don't have to pay way

Speaker 9 (00:29:19):
Shop where you can just go,

Leo Laporte (00:29:20):
Is this a set or is it an actual grab a ghost? Storet cause it really looks like the real thing.

Speaker 9 (00:29:26):
A and go

Leo Laporte (00:29:28):
It's these are all very white people from Seattle, Washington. I just wanna point out

Speaker 9 (00:29:35):
Go ahead, leave. Just walk out.

Leo Laporte (00:29:46):
He puts a little bit of money on the turns. Style

Jeff Jarvis (00:29:53):

Speaker 11 (00:29:54):
Amazon go store black man.

Jeff Jarvis (00:29:56):

Leo Laporte (00:29:58):
I'm glad you can laugh at. I am glad you can fo cow. I don't know.

Jeff Jarvis (00:30:03):
It's it's not odd. Isn't it?

Leo Laporte (00:30:04):
Yeah. It's a little too close to home. Isn't it? Oh,

Ant Pruitt (00:30:07):
It's it close to home,

Leo Laporte (00:30:07):
But it's do you, would you no, just be honest. You're you know? Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (00:30:11):

Leo Laporte (00:30:11):
Like, man, would you go in? You're not gonna do it. No,

Jeff Jarvis (00:30:14):

Ant Pruitt (00:30:15):
No, no, no. Not happening, sir. It's a great idea. But nah, nah, bro.

Leo Laporte (00:30:21):
This is a, see, this is an example. We live in different worlds. Yeah. Yeah. Are your, your experience of the world? A little

Ant Pruitt (00:30:27):
Different, a little different.

Leo Laporte (00:30:28):
It's a little different,

Ant Pruitt (00:30:29):
But I'm I am in a very happy world. I must say that.

Leo Laporte (00:30:32):
Yeah. We're glad to have you here. And you know, you can just take anything you want from the,

Ant Pruitt (00:30:36):
I do

Leo Laporte (00:30:37):
A little tip

Jeff Jarvis (00:30:38):
Except for the happy machine. I do coffee machine, right? Actually. Yeah. We, we can hear it. We

Ant Pruitt (00:30:45):
Can Google.

Leo Laporte (00:30:50):
Ah, all right. Let's take a little break so we can pay for the coffee machine that Anne is going to be taking home later

Jeff Jarvis (00:30:55):
With permission,

Leo Laporte (00:30:56):
With permission. There's on the records on the record.

Ant Pruitt (00:30:58):
There's a lot of cameras in here too. That's a,

Leo Laporte (00:31:00):
That's a good coffee. I actually, you can't take it because Micah would kill you if you took it

Ant Pruitt (00:31:08):
Right. Micah let's fight, bro.

Leo Laporte (00:31:09):
It's you and Micah are the will use it because it's you gotta turn it on. You gotta wait for it. Heat up. It's a big deal, Micah. I, I was doing the ke thing. He said that's not coffee.

Ant Pruitt (00:31:18):
Yeah. He and I agree on that.

Jeff Jarvis (00:31:20):
Unless just this machine. Let me just ask cute.

Ant Pruitt (00:31:22):
It's about I think it was about 1800 bucks.

Jeff Jarvis (00:31:26):
Oh, okay. Nevermind. It was like, get it for him for Christmas. Yeah. That's more than the Thermo mix. I mean, my God.

Ant Pruitt (00:31:34):
It's so good deal. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:31:36):
I'm getting you a Thermo mix. I'm getting you a Bre coffee maker and I'm getting you Kao pep.

Ant Pruitt (00:31:43):
I was in there this morning. Congratulations.

Leo Laporte (00:31:45):
4 99, 4 99.

Ant Pruitt (00:31:47):
I was in there this morning with Mr. Burke and I was looking for my, my phone because I have the stopwatch on there and oh you

Leo Laporte (00:31:54):
Did you bring the scale? Was it you brought

Ant Pruitt (00:31:55):
In the no. Mr. Nielsen brought the scale, but I'm looking for my stopwatch and I'm like, crap. I, I forgot my phone. And then I realized, oh, this machine, it has the time radio

Leo Laporte (00:32:04):
In there, man.

Ant Pruitt (00:32:05):
You know it it's

Leo Laporte (00:32:06):
Just so, so Anthony too is one of you. He brought in a scale. So they weigh the coffee. Yes.

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:14):
18 grams. You weigh your water. 18 grams. You were kidding

Ant Pruitt (00:32:16):
Me. 18 grams, 30 seconds. So

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:19):
Pull the shot. They even converted symmetric. That's even worse. Well that's how gotta do it.

Ant Pruitt (00:32:24):
A fine grind. See

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:26):

Leo Laporte (00:32:27):
Well, Jimmy Carter got it wrong. If he just had coffee involved, he would be on the metric system.

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:33):
But daylight savings time. Hey, not

Leo Laporte (00:32:36):
Yet. Are you a Marco Rubio fan now? Huh? Now how do you feel? He, this has been something. Get it done. He's wanted it had done for

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:42):
Long time. Why don't we just keep it standard time and change the time we do things.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:32:46):

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:47):
Stop. Wait, what? We're

Stacey Higginbotham (00:32:48):
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Jeff Jarvis (00:33:04):
And so, you know, folks, before we got on the show, we, I tried to get Leo to do a, a different start and he almost thought we all thought we were on the show. So it was the same as last week. Are we, are we in a show? We never know. Like to

Leo Laporte (00:33:16):
Keep you off balance. I, you know, that's why we do this is live.

Jeff Jarvis (00:33:20):

Leo Laporte (00:33:21):
Keep you off balance,

Jeff Jarvis (00:33:22):
But that's okay. We definitely appreciate this.

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Leo Laporte (00:37:18):
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Leo Laporte (00:37:24):
Over his face. That's actually an interesting question. I wonder if the FTC would say something about that if you no.

Jeff Jarvis (00:37:32):
Don't think so. You just

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:33):
Disclosed it right now? Yes.

Leo Laporte (00:37:34):
It's disclosed. That's disclosed. Yeah. Look

Jeff Jarvis (00:37:36):
How people have been wearing their sweat. Even

Leo Laporte (00:37:40):
You don't miss a BC. I know they never

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:42):
I'm wearing funfetti swag.

Leo Laporte (00:37:44):
Funfetti. Is that a brand name?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:47):
Do you not know about funfetti cake?

Leo Laporte (00:37:50):
I yeah, but I mean, it's like a thing. It's not a,

Ant Pruitt (00:37:53):
Because pie is greater than cake, but oh

Leo Laporte (00:37:55):
It is Pillsbury baking you're yeah. Oh my God. You're right. Looks just like your sweater. I had no idea.

Ant Pruitt (00:38:03):
Oh, I didn't know. That was

Jeff Jarvis (00:38:05):
Take out a trademark.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:08):
I can't believe y'all don't know Betty,

Leo Laporte (00:38:11):
But, but wait a minute. We have to clarify this. Pilsbury has not given you any money to wear that sweater. Am I right?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:15):
No, no. In fact I can.

Jeff Jarvis (00:38:18):
If you wanted to bury, we

Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:20):
You're really missing out pills. It would

Leo Laporte (00:38:21):
Take it. If you offered it,

Ant Pruitt (00:38:23):
Advertise it twit TV.

Leo Laporte (00:38:26):
So on Sunday morning, I got up an hour less sleep cuz we set the clocks forward Monday. I was groggy. In fact, every year, the Monday after the change to summertime, which happened early this year in the us, it's gonna happen later this month in the rest of the world there are more heart attacks. There are more auto accidents. Marco Rubio, the Senator from Florida. Apparently this has always been an issue. You for him, he picks the big issues and he got passed on a voice vote unanimously in the Senate to stay on saving time. Now that's a little controversial. It has, it is. It has to go through the house and of course be signed by the president. But I think there is broad partisan nonpartisan support for thing in Congress. It's this? Wow. Stop changing the clocks. Now the question is Vanessa start, what should we, which way? Which way should we stop? And Rubo anti

Stacey Higginbotham (00:39:26):

Leo Laporte (00:39:27):
Really? Rubo Jill said we would stay on DST in the fall of 2023 in November, 2023. We would not go back to night, dark, scary time. Why do you wanna keep DST and not keep DST?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:39:45):
So my issue is that in the winter, which is already at dark and depressing time, the sun literally rises at like eight o'clock here in Seattle, cuz it's so far in no, and it sets around four 20. And I get the idea of, you know, the extra hour of daylight being at the end of the day. But waking up like, sorry, not waking up, waking up at my normal time and being expected to do things in,

Leo Laporte (00:40:11):
In the dark. See, I think it comes down to if you're a morning person or a night person, I really,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:40:16):
And I'm a morning person. Yeah. And it kills me. I'm gonna be up for like three hours trying to force my body when it's like,

Leo Laporte (00:40:23):
So believe it or not. We tried this in the seventies. Yeah. And here's a picture from the Washington post because of energy because of the energy crisis of kids going to school in the dark. And this is why people hated it. And in it didn't last.

Ant Pruitt (00:40:38):
I remember going to school. Why don't we just starting twice time

Jeff Jarvis (00:40:42):
Of school?

Leo Laporte (00:40:42):
There you go. That's a, there's a thought just, just,

Jeff Jarvis (00:40:45):
Just move it

Ant Pruitt (00:40:46):
That's all. No,

Leo Laporte (00:40:47):
No. In 1973, the us stayed, decided to stay in daylight, saving time for two years. By the way, this is a fairly new thing. It started to world war II. Right? My grandmother,

Jeff Jarvis (00:40:59):
My Republican grandmother,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:01):

Leo Laporte (00:41:02):
All the time. Oh 16 about

Jeff Jarvis (00:41:03):
God's time versus FDR is time.

Leo Laporte (00:41:05):
Oh, oh wow. That's how she put it. Huh? Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:10):
FD. It's like the Obamacare of that era.

Jeff Jarvis (00:41:12):

Leo Laporte (00:41:13):
Yes, yes. You know now I know I Rubios against it. No more FDR time, but there, I mean our time zone, our time zones are not, are they set by national? No, it's set by the longitude. Right?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:28):
Right. Well, so something interesting to know because Washington state already passed a law that said, Hey, we're going to DST time. If it ever federally passes,

Leo Laporte (00:41:36):
California's done that too. Could

Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:38):
Ha. Yeah. So when this law happens, all the state, it, it basically gives states a choice. So some states have already passed laws that say happen.

Leo Laporte (00:41:47):
Now it's chaos. Hold on,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:49):
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Now, Arizona, which we all may be familiar with is on standard time, year round. Cuz you didn't have to actually you could have any of our

Leo Laporte (00:41:59):
States do that. Just not. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:03):
So they did that instead. Cuz they were like, all right, we don't wanna change the clocks standard time.

Jeff Jarvis (00:42:07):
Doesn't Indiana have like slices that go different ways.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:10):
I feel like they,

Leo Laporte (00:42:11):
They used to, I think they changed that. But I do remember cuz I, my first wife lived right over the border in Ohio and you, it was very strange that you had these weird time zones going over a state border. And it was just very strange. So this just shows you, there is nothing not controversial in the whole world

Ant Pruitt (00:42:31):
Clearly. Yes.

Leo Laporte (00:42:32):
Cause if any, anything you would think this of a unanimous vote in the Senate that you know,

Jeff Jarvis (00:42:38):
This is what they can do. They can't do anything else that actually matters

Leo Laporte (00:42:41):
To the world. This is what they can do. American academy of sleep medicine immediately issued a statement. Cautioning, cautioning that a move to permanent daylight, saving time, overlooks potential health risks Associa. With that time system standard time, they said for so many scientific and circadian rationales.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:43:06):
Now this it'll be dark when you're trying to get

Leo Laporte (00:43:07):
Up. Now we're bringing out the big guns, circadian, rationales and public safety reasons should really be what permanent time it's set too. Cause P time is based on our time zone. So our

Ant Pruitt (00:43:19):
Bodies will, our bodies are just already with the time

Leo Laporte (00:43:24):
Change. Yeah. We get used to it.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:43:26):
Yes and no. So like living so far up here now I like in the winter at like deep as dark as winter at like eight o'clock. My butt is out of bed. It's hard to get outta bed, but the best way to like make it,

Leo Laporte (00:43:40):
Get you feeling. Well, I throw up in the curtain

Stacey Higginbotham (00:43:41):
Is to go out,

Leo Laporte (00:43:43):
Hold on,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:43:44):
Walk out for like five minutes into the daylight and you have to do that. Yeah. Otherwise you're like this.

Leo Laporte (00:43:51):
No, no. When I get up, I throw open the curtains and you're right. If it were dark out.

Jeff Jarvis (00:43:55):
Oh I thought you said you throw up in the curtain.

Leo Laporte (00:44:00):
Depends on how the night before, when

Stacey Higginbotham (00:44:01):
That also sounds unhealthy, but

Leo Laporte (00:44:04):
I, I throw open the curtains open to let the sun shine in. Like it is in your office right now, Jeff, and that's a great way to wake up and you're right. You should probably go outside.

Ant Pruitt (00:44:14):
Well, why do we never or any these controversial stories in the state of Alaska their time is people

Leo Laporte (00:44:23):
Alaska there and frankly Bainbridge island too. I have to deal with the fact that they're higher up at a latitude and then they're gonna have much sun. I'm sorry. That's just life.

Jeff Jarvis (00:44:32):
Welcome to hell. Sinky

Leo Laporte (00:44:33):
Yeah. Move to, you know, Brazil if you want it. But so,

Jeff Jarvis (00:44:38):
So where, where is Seattle LA? I love those maps that,

Leo Laporte (00:44:41):
Well, ironically it's it's it's your Senator. Patty Murray who cosponsored this with mark Rubio. Patty Murray said the Senator has finally delivered on something Americans all over the country want and I will agree with her on this to never have to change their clocks again.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:44:58):
Right. Let's

Leo Laporte (00:45:00):
Not change 'em but what do we leave it at? Right.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:02):
You know what you could do if you don't wanna change your clocks ever again, y'all just make every clock, a internet connected clock.

Leo Laporte (00:45:09):
Make it a different time. I imagine

Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:11):
You still

Jeff Jarvis (00:45:11):

Leo Laporte (00:45:12):
Yeah. That's already happening. No, it's not the actual physical act of changing the clock girl. Like

Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:19):
I'm just saying if that's your issue, we can solve that today.

Leo Laporte (00:45:23):
I just don't want it to be a different time. When I wake up the queen of I T has spoken. Yeah, we have clock changes actually, you know completely off topic, but shocking. Bucking and palace has a brigade of clock changers. Did you know that? I did not know that. Yeah. I read this somewhere. Let me see if I can find, I

Jeff Jarvis (00:45:45):
Look like that on my resume. Royal clock changer.

Leo Laporte (00:45:48):
Yeah. They I think there's there are 450 clocks at Windsor castle.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:55):

Leo Laporte (00:45:56):
Lord. There are 600 clocks at Buckingham palace and someone has the gall to, and none of them are automatic. Okay. Wow. Queen Elizabeth's palaces have over 1500 clocks and they all need to be reset. A whole team of conservators is required for this mass. Massive ho logical undertaking.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:21):
It is quite the ho logical undertaking.

Leo Laporte (00:46:24):
Here's a picture of a urologist looking at a clock. You want another one? This

Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:32):
Was my chop growing up when I was

Leo Laporte (00:46:35):
Here's another one, the guy has serious. I gotta say, yeah, he's got a monks. Tacher he's he's definitely. Yeah. These guys look at this out. They're gonna change all these freaking clocks. Every one of 'em they don't change. Well,

Jeff Jarvis (00:46:47):
There's a, there's a, there's a watch store, expensive watch store in New York where they make a big deal about how they, that, that night they change all, all the watches I put on the, in the, in the, in the Twitch chat. The map of the equivalencies. What, what major city is Seattle equivalent to latitude across

Leo Laporte (00:47:04):
The world? A lot of us stuck

Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:07):
Paris. Yeah. We're we're actually the farther north in like parts of Maine and the

Leo Laporte (00:47:10):
Paris is very far north. I didn't realize that.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:13):
I know you is up in that's that whole thing. Yeah. Europe's only warm inhabitable because of the Atlantic current thing. What's that called?

Leo Laporte (00:47:23):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:25):
No, it's the thing that we're worried. It's gonna shut down. It's a, it's a current over the oceans.

Jeff Jarvis (00:47:30):
Yeah. The 

Leo Laporte (00:47:31):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:32):

Leo Laporte (00:47:32):
Stream jet stream. Gulf stream. Gulf stream. Gulf street. Yeah. So San San Francisco. We're

Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:37):
Worried. It's gonna shut down.

Leo Laporte (00:47:38):
Let's see. That's all we are. Seattle is about Paris. Portland's little south that San Francisco. Oh yeah. We're we're on the cost of Del Brava. We're a very nice

Jeff Jarvis (00:47:48):
Warm Fargo is

Leo Laporte (00:47:50):
Fargo is San Francisco. Is that in Ukraine? I don't know where that is. I really couldn't pinpoint Ukraine in a map. I think that's Poland. Maybe. No that's Ukraine. Fargo's in Ukraine.

Jeff Jarvis (00:48:00):
Ukraine's to the right. Ukraine's Ukraine's right next to Russia. That's the is.

Leo Laporte (00:48:03):
Oh yeah. Right. So Winnipeg, remember Winnipegs in UK. Winnipeg

Jeff Jarvis (00:48:07):
Is Lavis.

Leo Laporte (00:48:09):
Geez. Okay. The only reason we're laughing is, well, there's no reason to be laughing. We should be very serious.

Jeff Jarvis (00:48:18):
Denver is Southern Italy.

Leo Laporte (00:48:20):
Denver is in Southern Italy. See that doesn't make sense. Yeah,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:48:23):
Texas. It always made me laugh. Cuz Texas was like, my Austin was like in line with Morocco and I'm like, oh,

Leo Laporte (00:48:29):
It's pretty hot. Yeah. And display. Anyway. Facebook has a TikTok. Now they do. That's the stupidest story ever.

Jeff Jarvis (00:48:39):
It is.

Leo Laporte (00:48:41):
I'm the one. Are they calling it? Bookmark it they're calling it Facebook TikTok. No, you're not. I don't. Yeah. Facebook. See, and look at how the followers it has. That's what's fascinating. 21,000 followers. Oh

Stacey Higginbotham (00:48:53):
They have a ch I thought

Leo Laporte (00:48:54):
They launched. I know. Isn't that confusing? Tiktok thing. It's that's me too. That's very confusing. Click on the story. Yes. Me too. That's yeah. So Facebook has an account on TikTok. Well played tech tech crunch. Well played well played editors of tech crunch. I should say mark Zuckerberg says NFTs are coming to Instagram. That seems like a terrible idea. Instagram users will be able to quote mint things within the environment.

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:23):
Now you can abuse and rip off people on Facebook.

Leo Laporte (00:49:28):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:28):
Is this just like, so you can show your,

Leo Laporte (00:49:31):
But that's the thing

Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:32):
Nfts on.

Leo Laporte (00:49:33):
No, no. Mark says we're working on bringing NFTs to Instagram in the near term. You

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:40):
Sell like 90 year old mark.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:42):
Yeah. But we, what does that mean? Like, you know, is that like,

Leo Laporte (00:49:45):
I'm not ready to kind announce exactly what it's going to be today, but over the next several months, the ability to bring some of your NFTs in hopefully over time to be able to mint things within that environment.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:59):
Oh, okay. So I could mint them.

Leo Laporte (00:50:01):
You could,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:01):
Right. Well,

Jeff Jarvis (00:50:02):
Yes. Let's see

Leo Laporte (00:50:03):
You could, I, I don't get it. Well right now all those gas fees going, other people, they gotta get those gas fees coming in face coffers with their beaks. Right. That's what you're saying. So remember Facebook started a cryptocurrency DM, which failed. Yeah. They, they fold, they shutted it. They folded it. They have a cryptocurrency wallet now called NOV.

Ant Pruitt (00:50:30):

Leo Laporte (00:50:30):
N O but

Ant Pruitt (00:50:31):
Who doesn't have a crypto wallet?

Leo Laporte (00:50:34):
I have one, but I can't access everybody.

Jeff Jarvis (00:50:36):
Who's anybody. Yeah. Has a wallet.

Leo Laporte (00:50:38):
So I guess the idea is you would, I don't know. You'd put your NFT in your wallet. Well,

Ant Pruitt (00:50:48):
I don't know. I don't get it because there's,

Leo Laporte (00:50:50):
There's a lot.

Ant Pruitt (00:50:51):
There's a lot of entity artists out there on Instagram quote, sharing their NFTs on Instagram. Well,

Leo Laporte (00:50:58):
You could put a picture and say, Hey, that's not what this is. No, this would be an instead of open C you'd use face. You'd use Instagram. You'd do use your Novi wallet.

Ant Pruitt (00:51:05):
Right. So that's linking, Service's

Leo Laporte (00:51:09):
A way to make money. Right. Okay. It's

Jeff Jarvis (00:51:11):
Nfts in the metaverse too. Right?

Ant Pruitt (00:51:12):
Okay. Yeah. So

Jeff Jarvis (00:51:13):
That's what he wants. Okay. But by the way, Zuckerberg spoke by video south by Southwest. Yeah. I saw basically no discussion of it

Ant Pruitt (00:51:22):
Sounds riveting.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:25):
There's fewer people at south by Southwest. I thank goodness. Have not been like there's just fewer south by news in general. Cuz I don't think there may, there

Leo Laporte (00:51:33):
Aren't surprisingly there you you're. Right. I mean that would be in the years gone by that would've been in the past a big story. The

Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:42):

Jeff Jarvis (00:51:42):
Time something the people

Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:43):
Was at. So by Southwest, he got in a lot of trouble.

Leo Laporte (00:51:48):
Did he?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:50):
No, I'm sorry, Sarah. Lacey who interviewed him?

Leo Laporte (00:51:52):
Oh, I remember that. Cause she kind of flirted with him. I was there.

Ant Pruitt (00:51:54):
Oh boy.

Leo Laporte (00:51:55):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:56):
She did not flirt with him.

Leo Laporte (00:51:57):
Well that was the, she didn't. Oh, that was the kind of story was she was

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:01):
Yeah. Let me

Leo Laporte (00:52:01):
Making goo eyes.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:02):
Sexism was showing.

Leo Laporte (00:52:04):
Yeah. Okay. I like it. But

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:07):
She also, this was early mark hating times. So she also just wasn't as tough on him as people thought she should have been.

Leo Laporte (00:52:15):

Ant Pruitt (00:52:16):
Twitter has a that's where I met him. NFT connection. Not that I think about it. If you're on the iOS app, you can connect your crypto wallet that has your NFTs displayed in it and use that as your avatar. I believe. Someone may wanna fact check me to Then Ms. Stacy, do you think Twitter would've had a wallet if Mr. Dorsey was still there,

Leo Laporte (00:52:43):
He was all into crypto. Right?

Ant Pruitt (00:52:45):
You know he, no, that's

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:46):
Interesting question. That very interesting question. Well, but is, is that gonna compete with, with Stripe?

Ant Pruitt (00:52:53):
Oh yeah. I guess that makes sense. Conflict of interest, whatever you wanna call it.

Leo Laporte (00:52:59):
Little disappointed. Google has announced Google IO May 11th, 12th. And it will be online. Square

Jeff Jarvis (00:53:06):
About Stripe square. Sorry.

Leo Laporte (00:53:08):
Online. Not maybe No in person online. Oh. Oh wait a minute. Wait a minute. Join IA. Okay. I'm wrong

Ant Pruitt (00:53:19):
Minute. I wrong had a seat, Matt. What's

Jeff Jarvis (00:53:21):
That in your history books. Folks.

Leo Laporte (00:53:22):
Can't cancel this thing. Oh, wait a minute. First. I have to say this site. Use cookies. Okay. Got that. Got it. Now I can close that. Now I can read. Join IO. Live from shoreline and online. Oh.

Ant Pruitt (00:53:36):

Leo Laporte (00:53:37):

Ant Pruitt (00:53:37):
I wanna go to that.

Leo Laporte (00:53:38):
Lovely. So

Jeff Jarvis (00:53:39):
Jason, are you gonna go?

Leo Laporte (00:53:42):
Oh, we have to always figure out who's got a use, the real live ticket and all that stuff.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:48):
I won't be here that week. I'll just tell you that right now.

Leo Laporte (00:53:50):
Where are you gonna be? May 11th and 12th. Somewhere fun in Vegas. Oh Ooh. Doing an event.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:57):
Doing an event on the industrial IOT. Yay.

Leo Laporte (00:54:02):
It won't let me into

Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:04):
Y'all are very sweet. Woo.

Leo Laporte (00:54:08):
So what is this on the This is a clock, but is it, is it a game? Is it?

Ant Pruitt (00:54:18):
Oh, I thought that was stage. How

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:19):
Tell the, how you tell the time with the clock. No.

Leo Laporte (00:54:23):
Ooh. It makes, makes music too.

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:26):
So days, hours, minutes, and seconds.

Ant Pruitt (00:54:30):
Someone get wind too Dow on the horn.

Leo Laporte (00:54:35):
So the yellow one is our, the blue one is days.

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:38):
The little tiny dots have to be days.

Leo Laporte (00:54:40):
Pink dots are minutes. Well, no, there's a color.

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:43):
Well, if it's actually counting, Oh, count

Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:48):
The outside circle. Are there 55 of

Leo Laporte (00:54:50):
Them? Yeah. One.

Ant Pruitt (00:54:51):
That's a lot to count. Ma'am

Leo Laporte (00:54:53):
Two. Wait a minute. Oh

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:55):

Ant Pruitt (00:54:56):
Oh, oh boy. Oh

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:57):
Dude. There

Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:58):
Are 18 hours. Look just, I just counted the 18 hours. Y'all

Leo Laporte (00:55:02):
Are fine. Oh boy. I,

Ant Pruitt (00:55:05):
Why did you screw it up

Leo Laporte (00:55:10):
There? It's back the way it was. So why? When I click the dot, does it all see, this is, they do this. They have a puzzle, right? For Google. I own.

Jeff Jarvis (00:55:21):
Why would never get hired at Google?

Leo Laporte (00:55:24):
My mom doesn't work that no, you

Ant Pruitt (00:55:25):
Would be a great quality assurance. Tester.

Leo Laporte (00:55:28):
Yeah. Like what the hell? This

Ant Pruitt (00:55:30):
You're breaking things.

Leo Laporte (00:55:33):
All right. Anyway I guess we'll cover that. We'll do the we'll do the keynote May 11th and we'll send somebody probably probably Jeff and Jason. I'm thinking maybe you too, aunt. If we get enough, I might come

Ant Pruitt (00:55:45):
Out. I'd love to go down.

Leo Laporte (00:55:46):
There's it's fun to go. It's really fun to go. You haven't been Idaho. Probably haven't been Idaho. Yeah, you should

Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:51):
Go. Oh, iOS really great people are really nice.

Ant Pruitt (00:55:53):
I went to one of the extensions down here several years ago in San Francisco, but never like on campus in mountain view.

Leo Laporte (00:56:02):
If I were using Vimeo, I'd be a little perturbed right now, Vimeo, which is owned by IAC. Right? Barry DI's IAC, which is a big Hollywood

Jeff Jarvis (00:56:16):
Agency time Inc. And

Leo Laporte (00:56:18):
Oh that's right. And Meredith, they shut down those magazines. Apparently money crunch. Don't know they're gonna start charging people more for Vimeo hosting. This is an article from the verge quoting Lois van bar, a digital artist from the Netherlands who joined Vimeo 13 years ago has a number of videos up there. She says I was already paying $200 a year, which I think is pretty expensive, but I thought, well, it's a quality platform. She had 117 subscriber, only videos so far, she uses it for her subscriber, only Patreon content. Each one only gets around 150 views on average, her most viewed video. I 815 view. So not driving a lot of traffic. She got a notice from Vimeo on March 11th saying her bandwidth usage was within the top. 1% of Vimeo users doesn't reflect very well on that

Ant Pruitt (00:57:15):
Righteo. That scared me.

Leo Laporte (00:57:16):
And if she wanted to keep hosting her content on the site, she'd have to upgrade to a custom plan. Her quoted price $3,500 a year. Her but worse. She was only given a week to either pay for it, decrease her bandwidth usage or leave Vimeo.

Ant Pruitt (00:57:32):
Do you, you know, how many independent filmmakers are out there using Vimeo? Absolutely. It's a ton of 'em of high quality content. Cause the best

Leo Laporte (00:57:39):

Ant Pruitt (00:57:39):
Yeah. And they're getting, I'm sure they're getting way more than a couple hundred views of month. You think they're paying thousands of dollars a month to Vimeo

Leo Laporte (00:57:49):
Vimeo's actually deleting files channel five, a popular account doing man on the streetstyle interviews. Got this message in January, in a post on Paton, titled Vimeo is holding our catalog hostage.

Ant Pruitt (00:58:03):
That's crazy.

Leo Laporte (00:58:04):
Channel five creators. Say that on returning from a trip, they saw their videos disappearing from the Patreon feed resulting in hundreds of angry messages and the loss of more than 500 subscribers, the quote from Vimeo for their new custom plan, $7,000 a year. And you either upgrade,

Jeff Jarvis (00:58:23):
Be spun off by eight IAC, which by explain part of this,

Leo Laporte (00:58:26):
Ah, they wanna make it worth some,

Ant Pruitt (00:58:28):
I didn't see any other comment from VI Vimeo regarding the, the percentage. What, what did they say? She was in the top 1%. 1%.

Leo Laporte (00:58:36):

Ant Pruitt (00:58:36):
There's there's there's no way 800 views is, is not a lot of views when there's a, I think there's, there's

Jeff Jarvis (00:58:44):
Thousands of accounts that have been abandon for years and years and years and years

Ant Pruitt (00:58:47):
And still getting,

Leo Laporte (00:58:49):
Yeah, I have videos there.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:58:50):
I wonder if my vis are gone,

Leo Laporte (00:58:52):
Go check. Okay. Let's this partly comes from the fact that Vimeo is pivoting away from the perception that they are kind of an independent YouTube alternative,

Ant Pruitt (00:59:02):

Leo Laporte (00:59:02):
What they really wanna be is a B2B solution okay. For, for, for businesses to post their videos. He's one of the the CEO of VIM Anja SU said back in February, today, we are a technology platform, not a viewing destination or a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube. So that's the problem is just kind of Vimeo has changed from what it was to something else. And actually I've seen this coming a while.

Ant Pruitt (00:59:33):
It's fine to pivot, but yeah, something's not right with those numbers. At least not with that quote, I should say,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:40):
Oh my video's still on Vimeo.

Ant Pruitt (00:59:43):
How many nobody go watch it. Nobody's watching it.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:46):
Oh, I said, nobody go watch it. Only 845.

Leo Laporte (00:59:51):
Yeah, but that puts you in the top one.

Ant Pruitt (00:59:53):
The top 1% then

Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:54):
No, cuz I only have one video there. I have one video it's been there six years in only 845 views.

Leo Laporte (01:00:04):
Well now you now you've got me wondering, let me just log in real quickly and see.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:08):
Thanks. Y'all

Leo Laporte (01:00:10):
Now you've got me me wondering I can add, see, it really does look like B2B. Add team members, modern tools for modern businesses. Here is a video I posted five years ago called segue. Weighing. Let me see how many views wait a

Ant Pruitt (01:00:27):
Minute. Oh, you've gotta hit the banner.

Leo Laporte (01:00:28):
Oh I hate these things. Go away. Go away. It's new and improved. No, no, no boy.

Ant Pruitt (01:00:34):
That looks like B2B.

Leo Laporte (01:00:36):
Yeah. Yeah. Look at that slow motion.

Ant Pruitt (01:00:40):
Look at you in that one 20

Leo Laporte (01:00:42):
Fancy boom. I remember this. If you like it slow. Do

Ant Pruitt (01:00:46):
You still have it Leo?

Leo Laporte (01:00:47):
Yeah. Do you have your segway? Yeah, the batteries died. I gotta get new batteries. If anybody knows how to get new batteries here, it's going from slow to fast. This is a time lapse through the streets of London. Look at that. I mean I don't that's where do you see how view you've got video actions and we've got it. Got it. Got it. How do I?

Ant Pruitt (01:01:08):
It's a nice video.

Leo Laporte (01:01:10):
SIRS kinda cool. Huh? So it was when hyper labs first came out. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:01:14):
En free says that Google IO is gonna be press is gonna be online.

Leo Laporte (01:01:19):
Oh man. Aw man.

Ant Pruitt (01:01:24):
Oh, let's panic it then.

Leo Laporte (01:01:25):
So I was in a double Decker bus right in the front and I put, and I had hyperlapse from, it was Facebook right? Or Instagram. I can't remember.

Ant Pruitt (01:01:33):
I think it was no, I think it was Facebook,

Leo Laporte (01:01:35):
Facebook and I, and I put plastered the phone up against the window and then we got to drive through rush hour in a double Decker bus. It was so smooth. Look at the cyclist. Well, that was what's cool about hyperlapse, right? Yeah. Look

Ant Pruitt (01:01:46):
At all those people on a street.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:01:48):
I can't, I

Leo Laporte (01:01:48):
Can't cope. Oh my God.

Ant Pruitt (01:01:49):
They're not wearing masks run.

Leo Laporte (01:01:52):
This is 28 days later. Look at all the 11 cabs

Ant Pruitt (01:01:55):
Too. What's no different from Manhattan. I figured people

Leo Laporte (01:01:58):
Some, you know, a hundred years from now, this will be on some site and you know, on Mars. And they'll say who you we've, we've got a 4k copy of London in the 1850s. So I don't see where you see how many people.

Ant Pruitt (01:02:13):
Yeah, no, your view. Count's not showing.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:15):
Yeah. My view count shows my my screen did not look like this screen at all.

Leo Laporte (01:02:19):
Where does yours show up though?

Ant Pruitt (01:02:21):
They've already converted you to the B2B platform.

Leo Laporte (01:02:24):
I'm you know, I might actually pay for this. I wouldn't be surprised. Wait, it says, come back to Vimeo plus and save 25%.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:36):
My here. I can't share my, can I share my, I screen

Leo Laporte (01:02:39):
For you? No, don't share your screen, but just where is it? I don't like here's when we moved into the brick house and

Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:43):
Mine's so mine is right beneath. My name is the creator. I get play. I get the triangle play sign and it says 8 45. I get the hearts and the collections and the comments.

Leo Laporte (01:02:54):
This is before we moved in in 2011, I think we'll come up

Ant Pruitt (01:02:58):
With a better, I've been trying to fit, figure out where the da brick house was. And Mr. Howell just told me today.

Leo Laporte (01:03:03):
Oh, where it was.

Ant Pruitt (01:03:06):
I was thinking I was way off on. I thought it was like on Boulevard.

Leo Laporte (01:03:10):
Look how look, how bad this looked. We really fixed it up. There's our there's our Roger Ambros are set designer and him. And so describe just so the, the, the builders. Yeah. Was that was fun. Memory Memories. That was the basement basement. The Berk. So I, I don't know why. I don't see maybe I have like some

Ant Pruitt (01:03:37):
You're on the B TOB point. You know,

Leo Laporte (01:03:38):
I said on

Jeff Jarvis (01:03:39):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:40):
Send you a link. Oh, you know what? I'm not logged into my platform.

Leo Laporte (01:03:44):
That's why if you log in, you don't see here. That seems odd.

Jeff Jarvis (01:03:49):
That's really weird.

Ant Pruitt (01:03:50):
Yeah. You should see it. If anything, huh?

Leo Laporte (01:03:53):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:54):
Yeah. So maybe if you log out, oh look, mash. Potato found me.

Leo Laporte (01:03:58):
Mashed potato found you.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:01):
Yes. My, my three video videos.

Leo Laporte (01:04:05):
Mash. Potato found you. I dunno. I don't know what that means. I have zero views chat. I have zero views. That's why he put Lincoln. I have zero. It says zero.

Jeff Jarvis (01:04:15):
So why is there a lock next to the SEG in one? Did you just put it there as backup?

Leo Laporte (01:04:19):
Oh, it's private. It's private.

Jeff Jarvis (01:04:20):
That's why?

Leo Laporte (01:04:21):
No. Well, I guess I shouldn't have showed that. I probably didn't have permission. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:27):
Well, if you need to, you can show mine and see,

Ant Pruitt (01:04:30):
I still don't see your view count. And I'm looking at yours right now. Miss Stacy.

Leo Laporte (01:04:34):
Okay. Let me see. Let me, Stacy's Vimeo.

Jeff Jarvis (01:04:38):
Stacy. I'm trying to go to, I'm not logged in either. I go to, I, I search for Leo's London video and I can't scroll up to see how many of views

Leo Laporte (01:04:46):
Its. Yeah. So I don't know it doesn't this is like Vimeo's changing.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:49):
You have to click on a video to click. So if you click on that video scroll. Oh your scroll

Leo Laporte (01:04:53):
Down. Yours looks really D no I'm scrolled all the way down.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:55):
Scroll sound like, oh it doesn't.

Ant Pruitt (01:04:58):
No, it's not showing. Oh, that

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:59):
Is so weird. That is, that's not even what mine looks like

Ant Pruitt (01:05:03):
And I'm, and I'm not logged in

Leo Laporte (01:05:05):
And that's not how you spell Higgin. Bathum

Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:08):

Leo Laporte (01:05:09):
All right. Let's take.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:12):
That's how you, I was like, I made this

Speaker 12 (01:05:14):
Account. I should know.

Leo Laporte (01:05:16):
It's Frank clearly. It's Anastasia. W so apparently according to my artist in the chat room, no Leo's tour says 27 views.

Ant Pruitt (01:05:30):
Okay. We'll take your word for it.

Leo Laporte (01:05:32):
That's probably about right. Cuz we know. Oh yeah. I mean, that was a long time ago. I ever publicize you also put it on, on, on YouTube. I would imagine, right?

Ant Pruitt (01:05:40):
Yeah, probably you did. I saw it on YouTube originally.

Leo Laporte (01:05:43):
Yeah. Hey, let's take a little break cuz I want to tell people who are going back to work. It's gonna be okay. It's now the whole thing is hybrid work, right? Some of you are in the office. We had a lot of people in office today cuz it was Wednesday lunch day. Which was really nice. But there's still a lot of people who don't want to come in, wanna stay home. And that's the future of work I think is this kind of hybrid thing. But that means your conference rooms have to be kind of considering this. And audio is a big deal. If some of the people are at home, some of the people are work. Everybody needs to be hurt. Clearly you don't want people straining. You don't want 'em shouting, but you also want, 'em be comfortable. You wanna 'em be able to move around.

Leo Laporte (01:06:22):
That's why you want Neva many people with their conference rooms. They go just, you know, I, I guess, you know, if you don't think about it, oh we gotta go get the audio visual company in and they're gonna measure, they're gonna do sound tests. They're gonna run wires. We're gonna have microphones. We're gonna have speakers. We're gonna have all kinds of DSPs and stuff. And it's gonna cost a lot of money and they're gonna have to come in and tweak it every once in a while. And that's expensive. The, this is it. The, the industry has, is changed. Things are changing. And the best thing that's happened to conference or audio is Neva and U R E E Eva with their patented microphone missed technology Deva makes it very simple. You just put in a what? It looks like a sound bar. It's a speaker.

Leo Laporte (01:07:07):
It's got some integrated microphones, but it fills the room with thousands of virtual microphones using computational audio. So there are no dead zones. Everyone can be heard clearly, no matter where they're facing, no matter where they're standing and you don't have to have a technician come and calibrate it. In fact, you can install this yourself for a really big room, put a couple of speaker bars in meeting participants, class participants can talk and move naturally in the space and the people who aren't there won't be second class citizens. They'll be able to hear exactly what's going on. And by the way, it's continuously calibrating. So they're always ready with optimized audio. You don't need an outside technician. Your it department can handle it. Your it department will love this because they don't have to go from room to room with the Nevas, you'll get an Neva console, which means it can monitor manager and adjust the systems from anywhere.

Leo Laporte (01:07:57):
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Jeff Jarvis (01:08:58):
May I add in? Yes. So I've, I've, I've had to be teaching the first seven weeks, so far hybrid that some of the students are coming in by video.

Leo Laporte (01:09:05):
How's that been?

Jeff Jarvis (01:09:07):
It is hard. I wish I had an Reva cause we gotta, you know, an expensive little pod. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:09:13):
But I'm also

Jeff Jarvis (01:09:14):

Leo Laporte (01:09:15):
Yeah, I hate

Jeff Jarvis (01:09:15):
Those. And so trying to and students are in the back cause we're trying to stay distant and trying to be heard by the people on the video. It's it's and I also came to a faculty meeting by video where half the faculty were there and half weren't and I really came to appreciate the difficulty of the students because the,

Leo Laporte (01:09:31):
Now you know how hard it is. Yeah,

Jeff Jarvis (01:09:33):
No, it's just, it's just boring.

Leo Laporte (01:09:35):
Are you using it like a Polycom in the middle of the table is

Jeff Jarvis (01:09:37):
Basically not even in front of the room. Yeah. It's

Leo Laporte (01:09:40):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no.

Jeff Jarvis (01:09:43):
This is the way to do it.

Leo Laporte (01:09:44):
Yes. go. I didn't realize this Google yesterday had a big event. If I had known we would've covered it. Although Paul said it was kind of boring. It was their stadia. Well,

Jeff Jarvis (01:09:55):
He's a Microsoft guy,

Leo Laporte (01:09:55):
So well he said it was very kind of,

Jeff Jarvis (01:09:59):
Oh, stadia. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:10:00):
It was the Google for games, developer summit. It was kind of stiff, but one thing Google did announce, which is kind of interesting is they, they really wanted white label it for other companies. So stadia, which you probably are familiar with is will streaming gaming service and it's, you know, it doesn't compete. Well, I think with Microsoft's offering or Invidia's offering because you have to buy the game full retail price, but you never own it. It's you buy it 60 bucks, but it's sitting on their servers and if you're not a stadia subscriber, you lose access to it. So that's I think a little annoying. It does work well. It's the backend technology is good. Especially if you have this special stadia controller, which uses wifi direct. So it's doesn't have latency or not as much latency. And so it's a better way to, okay. That's better. Yeah. It's a better way to play. So this year Google's gonna let any, so there's be some changes here. They're gonna have white label partners. In fact at and T is the, is the first one. So at and T is gonna have games that they offer to their customers on their phones using the stadia backend. But it'll be white labeled it. Won't say Google, it won't say stadia or might in little letters. I don't know, but it's an at and T product.

Ant Pruitt (01:11:16):
I thought this sounded familiar. This was reported back in February of this year.

Leo Laporte (01:11:20):
Oh yeah. The white label. Yeah. Yeah. They also will let any stadia game developer offer an instantly accessible free trial of the game and you don't even need a stadia account to play it. So you click on YouTube or a search chat or social media and you can play the game. Thi this was something like that, that they promised they're finally getting around to doing. People will be able to browse the stadia store for those trials too. So you'll be able to find free games or free trials. Even if you don't have a stadia account, you can browse the store. This is real interesting. They're gonna offer a tool or a number of tools like DX VK, which will let developers, port games written with unreal engine or unity to stadia. So that's a very big deal for developers. Cause they don't wanna write a sec, second kind of version of the game if they don't, if they can and avoid it. So it's really, they're really pitching developers. And I think that that's, you know, you gotta get them before you can get the gamers and so very have

Ant Pruitt (01:12:27):
I still, I still get emails about my free monthly game or whatever it is.

Leo Laporte (01:12:31):
I think I have stadia, but I, I

Ant Pruitt (01:12:33):
Don't have a it anymore. I just logged in just to confirmed that I don't have it and it says, yeah, get stadia pro. Right.

Leo Laporte (01:12:41):
So maybe I don't, maybe I canceled.

Ant Pruitt (01:12:45):
Hmm. Yeah. Sounds. Sounds like it's sighting. You too.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:12:49):
Yeah. That's that's the appropriate response to stadia from everybody. I think. Yeah. It's

Leo Laporte (01:12:54):
Man, I really wanted it to work cuz I did too. You know, as a Mac user and a Linux user, a lot of games are not reported to those platforms to be able to play PC games in the browser is a great idea.

Ant Pruitt (01:13:06):
I have one person that, that seems to be standing behind an, he is a TWiG listener Mr. Leo, not Laport, but he, he, he totally digs the stadia experience with his phone and everything. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:13:19):
It's a great idea. It's a great idea. MEA told workers on Friday, you're gonna have to do your own laundry.

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:28):
Where's my violin. I mean, I, where are that little model I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:13:31):
Feel for these people, cuz it always sucks when someone takes away a cool privilege, but it's kind of like people who are like 28 complaining that their family took them off there. Like Netflix or family,

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:41):
Like more dastardly than that. Oh gosh. They are, are starting dinner at six 30, but the last bus is six or some such thing. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:13:51):
Apparently there were complaints that people were packing up big to go boxes and running out the bus.

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:57):
So which

Stacey Higginbotham (01:13:58):
I totally see people doing. Of

Leo Laporte (01:14:00):
Course. Why not giving away the meal? I, I, I don't wanna stick around work to eat it. So thank you. When

Jeff Jarvis (01:14:06):
I worked at time, Inc though many years ago they used to have dinner on closing nights. Cause people would work through the night cause we were all

Leo Laporte (01:14:12):

Jeff Jarvis (01:14:13):
Yeah. And, and you'd also get a, a dark car home right after a certain hour. Yeah. Yeah. So people would, would, would wait as long as they could stretch out every edit drink as they also stocked the editor's offices,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:25):
They had a bar cart. I think it's important that people know that time ink. Yes. Had a bar cart that ROED around the offices.

Jeff Jarvis (01:14:34):
Well actually time magazine. Cause they were higher class than we were people. They just stock the editors. Credenzas. The editors had credentials

Leo Laporte (01:14:42):
By, it seems so counterproductive. Sounds like my old it

Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:45):
Or I missed the bar cart by a year, by a year.

Leo Laporte (01:14:49):
This seems like, do you really want your writers to be drunk?

Jeff Jarvis (01:14:53):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:54):
There's this whole mythology about like drunk writers. Thank you. Treating Capote. I I

Jeff Jarvis (01:14:59):
Don't old Brooke editors a time, Inc. It just seemed like they would call. They would go to dinner at the steakhouse and then come back. You did not want your copy edited then you did not.

Leo Laporte (01:15:07):
Who wants to even

Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:09):
Came from

Leo Laporte (01:15:09):
Somewhere? I don't understand the, the of it at all.

Jeff Jarvis (01:15:14):
We had a guy who had a break, a serious bad breakdown on the 29th floor. He threw his chair out. The window, broke the window, the life building. Luckily it was over another building below. Yikes. Threw his APX terminal out, which danged by the wires. What was taken the ER and then into

Leo Laporte (01:15:34):
The Looney bin

Jeff Jarvis (01:15:35):
Detox tank. Right? And guess what the editors did, who took, who came

Leo Laporte (01:15:38):
Back? They brought him a bottle.

Jeff Jarvis (01:15:40):
They drank they, well, I gotta have a drink.

Leo Laporte (01:15:43):

Jeff Jarvis (01:15:44):
Wow. This is what I'm writing about now.

Leo Laporte (01:15:47):
Apparently at Microsoft, they call it the bomber peak. This is from XKCD number 3, 2, 3. This is a graph of blood alcohol concentration, right? Between two and six, there is a peak in programming skill that cannot be achieved any other way called the bomber peak. It was discovered by Microsoft in the late eighties. The cause is unknown, but somehow a blood alcohol content between 0.1, two, 9% and 0.1, three 8% confers, super human programming ability. However, it's a delicate effect requiring careful calibration. You can't just give a team of coders, a year's supply of whiskey and tell 'em to get cracking. Has that ever happened? Remember windows, Emmy. I knew it. Okay. This may be APAL. Google employees are unhappy.

Jeff Jarvis (01:16:45):
Well they're unhappy too.

Leo Laporte (01:16:47):

Jeff Jarvis (01:16:47):
Facebook employees are unhappy,

Leo Laporte (01:16:48):
Unhappy employees

Jeff Jarvis (01:16:49):
Unhappy and nobody in the country gonna

Leo Laporte (01:16:51):
With pay promotions and execution.

Jeff Jarvis (01:16:54):
It killed.

Leo Laporte (01:16:56):
Yes. I would prefer to be hang. If you don't mind. In the annual Googlegeist survey, Google workers gave their employer particularly poor marks. According to CNBC on how compensation compares to pay for similar jobs at other companies. This is just a trend worldwide. This a work trend. Great resignation. Not just Google. Oh yeah, yeah. But you know, a lot of it is cuz of inflation and, and housing prices in the bay area are insane. So it doesn't matter how much you make, you can't afford a house.

Ant Pruitt (01:17:26):
I got, I gotta tell you. I appreciate Y I buying lunch today here at TWiT does mean a lot, sir. Cuz boy, everything is so expensive right now.

Leo Laporte (01:17:34):
It is, it is especially gas. Yeah. Yeah. 46% of survey respondents said their total com comp compensation is competitive compared to similar jobs at other companies. That's 12% down though. 6% is fewer than half 56% say their pay is fair and equitable. That's a drop in eight points. 64% of employees said their performance is reflected in their pay that they work as hard as they are paid my performance.

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:09):
They actually work very

Leo Laporte (01:18:10):
Hard. I'm sure they do a Google spokesperson said we know our employees have many choices about where they work. So we ensure they're very well compensated. It's a lot cheaper to keep an employee happy than it is to train a new one. That's for sure. Yeah. I think this might just be a general cultural phenomenon as much as a Google. It's also

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:33):
What it's also dare I say it generational.

Leo Laporte (01:18:37):
You sound like

Ant Pruitt (01:18:38):
Youer boom. Hold on. What makes you say generational?

Leo Laporte (01:18:40):
Okay. Boomer.

Ant Pruitt (01:18:41):
Just see it's

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:43):
I knew I was gonna get crap for that throw

Ant Pruitt (01:18:46):
And she just,

Leo Laporte (01:18:47):
Hey, she left.

Ant Pruitt (01:18:49):
She says I'm out.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:51):
Okay. Sorry. No, I, I was reacting. I just had to let my dog out. So my reaction face was

Leo Laporte (01:18:56):
Is that what you call it? When you scream into the pillow, you're letting your dog out.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:01):
Exactly. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:09):
It might be generational only in the sense that people who are younger and recognize that they're not gonna get to the point that basically all of this is BS. When you wake up and realize that, why would you keep this job?

Leo Laporte (01:19:22):
I mean, and put yourself in their shoes. You

Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:25):
Don't even have houses yet. Jeff.

Leo Laporte (01:19:26):
They can't get houses. Cuz the housing prices are insane.

Ant Pruitt (01:19:29):
It blew my mind to see the RVs. The first time I went to the Google campus,

Leo Laporte (01:19:34):
Living in the parking lot.

Ant Pruitt (01:19:35):
Yeah. They're in the dagum parking well Palo

Jeff Jarvis (01:19:37):
Alto all around Palo Alto. I'm like on, on, on El there's campers, both sides up and down.

Ant Pruitt (01:19:44):
I went there often to meet a friend that, that loves TWiT. And I thought I was in the wrong spot because all the RVs in the park it's like this can't beat Google. He's like, yeah, this is where people live. Cuz it's cheaper to do this.

Leo Laporte (01:19:58):
You wanna get your eyes opened? Follow Reddit's anti work, subreddit slash R slash anti work. Yeah. I mean it's just anti work. Anti work. Okay. Don't you say aunt eats work. Here's a tweet from burger king. You're beautiful. You're loved you matter. Don't forget it. And then from a response from low voter turnout, you pay people $8 an hour.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:24):
Mcdonald's nearby pays $16 are even my daughter's looking at that and going, yeah, maybe I'll work there. I was like, you're gonna smell like French fries

Leo Laporte (01:20:33):
And she's like, that's awesome. No,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:37):

Leo Laporte (01:20:41):
Yeah. I, you know, I don't think it's, I maybe it's generational in the sense that this generation got a, a deal, but also because our generation Jeff and my generation were able to work jobs and get paid enough to buy a home and build a family and send the kids to college and, and now we're

Jeff Jarvis (01:21:05):
Sticking around and not retiring and we're not making any room for the people who

Leo Laporte (01:21:07):
Follow. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:21:09):
Yeah. And then you've created policies and you vote against any sort of affordable housing or like I see the people here. Okay. There's that

Leo Laporte (01:21:15):
Where I live. Okay. There's that? And yeah, I took out loans in college, but it was a total of $16,000. Yeah. You know, I'm gonna say you still work just as hard as everybody else did.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:21:25):
It's not a function of,

Leo Laporte (01:21:26):
But I see there's other

Stacey Higginbotham (01:21:28):
People are working hard.

Leo Laporte (01:21:30):
It's they're working even harder. They're just not

Stacey Higginbotham (01:21:31):

Leo Laporte (01:21:31):
Anywhere and they're not getting as much the things in play. Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:21:34):
So I mean, it doesn't, even at that point you look around and you're like, why am I working so hard?

Leo Laporte (01:21:39):
Screw it. Meanwhile, Google's sponsoring F1, the McLaren cars. Ooh. That's some money like at that it says Android on, look at firing and look at the wheels, have Chrome hopper gaps, the Chrome colors. Don't show to the Google employees though. Official partner of the McLaren formula, one team and the McLaren E extreme E team, which is their electric F1. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:06):
Y'all the computing inside the F1 could bring, plus they're gonna get it. Hopefully they push that team onto GCP and they'll get like all sorts of cool things.

Leo Laporte (01:22:16):
GCP, Google

Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:16):
Cloud Google compute. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:22:19):
They're fun. Mclaren racing, McLaren, Daniel name Daniel, Ricardo and Lance stroll. I'm Orlando Norris. Oh, not Lance stroll. Lance stroll has kept his own money. Daniel. Ricardo. Who's great. Lando Norris is great. So that'll be fun watching McLaren race with the, I love the hubcaps or whatever they call those. I love that. It's no

Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:45):
Caps. If they put some LEDs on those hubs, that would be amazing too.

Leo Laporte (01:22:48):
Yeah. So I wonder how they do it so that if it spins, it stays a solid color. I wonder. Hmm. That's interesting. That's a photograph, sir. Oh, it's a, picture's a photograph, sir.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:23:01):

Leo Laporte (01:23:02):
Do they do

Stacey Higginbotham (01:23:02):
Talk about deep fakes? That car isn't moving. How they

Leo Laporte (01:23:05):
Do that, but it looks like it's moving.

Ant Pruitt (01:23:07):
That's that's called a great pan with the awesome shutter speed.

Leo Laporte (01:23:11):
But I feel like there, there, maybe they will do something with those. Yeah. You're right. Not hub caps, but those hubs to make it look like it's standing still. Well,

Ant Pruitt (01:23:20):
If they're going fast enough. Yeah. I guess it will.

Leo Laporte (01:23:22):
Yeah. I don't know.

Jeff Jarvis (01:23:23):
This is where the a sir comes in so handy. Cuz he could have said

Leo Laporte (01:23:27):
You don't

Jeff Jarvis (01:23:27):
It's a photo. Duing you? He said you

Leo Laporte (01:23:30):
It's a

Jeff Jarvis (01:23:33):
You idiot.

Leo Laporte (01:23:37):
All right. Let's oh, by the way, congratulations to Pete Davidson finally found a way to get away from Kanye. He's he's going on up in blue origin.

Ant Pruitt (01:23:47):
Worst move ever. Cause now Kanye can say, Hey, he ain't even on the planet right now.

Leo Laporte (01:23:54):
Of course. This is in the you know, kind of, sort of into space. Marty Allen will go on March 23rd. Isn't

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:05):
Not a comedian. Yeah. The old days.

Leo Laporte (01:24:07):
No, no. Can't be that Marty Allen with, with a frizzy hair. That's who I thought too. But then I realized he must be a hundred. It couldn't be that Marty Allen Must be people

Ant Pruitt (01:24:18):
Just squirrel that quickly. Really? This

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:21):
Guy 18.

Leo Laporte (01:24:22):
This guy, that guy. Yeah. Yeah. Marty Allen

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:26):
Gotta be some good video. Allen.

Leo Laporte (01:24:27):
Not only he dead, but is hair. Isn't as good as it used to be.

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:31):
Come on Stacy. You have no. Oh man, that picture. Ooh, ouch.

Ant Pruitt (01:24:35):
It was literally 10 seconds.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:37):
Let's not make fun of this fella. All right.

Ant Pruitt (01:24:39):
It was literally 10 seconds. And you squirreled into another, another subject.

Leo Laporte (01:24:44):
Marty Allen. Well, who is Marty Allen? And

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:46):
He mentioned Marty Allen, who is he? And we both said we old farts said it can't be our Marty.

Leo Laporte (01:24:51):

Ant Pruitt (01:24:51):
Be that some

Leo Laporte (01:24:53):
Blue he's blue origin. He's with blue origin. Is he? No. The only Marty Allen I could find on Google is the fuzzy haired member of the popular 1960 Steve Ross comedy. Yeah. Was street Rossi, Allen and Rossi. He died in the age of 95, in 2018. So I don't know who Marty Allen is. It'd be funny if you had two comedians up there, but it's not that one.

Ant Pruitt (01:25:17):
It's not enough room.

Leo Laporte (01:25:18):
Husband and wife duo Sharon and mark Hagle. Jim kitchen and George Neil. I think these are the people paying. I think these are the paying guys. So Jeff make it, do

Stacey Higginbotham (01:25:29):
You have to make it public? Like if I decided to spend all my money and several inheritances going up into space. Oh would they have to say my name?

Leo Laporte (01:25:39):
Probably. I mean, if you're Pete Davidson. Yes, because that's the whole reason he's getting to go. The

Stacey Higginbotham (01:25:43):
Last time I checked. I am definitely not Pete Davidson.

Ant Pruitt (01:25:47):
Thank goodness.

Leo Laporte (01:25:48):
So here's Marty Allen. Yeah. His hair is completely normal.

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:54):
He must boomer supposed to go after a ball and he's boomer, rage.

Ant Pruitt (01:25:57):
He totally missed out.

Leo Laporte (01:25:59):
Marty Allen is a turnaround CEO to sign way. Like he was the CEO party America. There you go alive. There you go.

Jeff Jarvis (01:26:09):
What do the others do?

Leo Laporte (01:26:10):
Pete Davidson joined the cast of Saturday night, live in 2014. Do that. Sharon Hael found its space, kids global husband, Mark Hale, president and CEO of TriCore international real day development company. Jim kitchen, teacher, entrepreneur, and world Explorer, who has visited all 193 UN recognized countries. And he's a space dreamer, university of California sorry. University of north Carolina's Keenan Flagler business school. And Dr. George Neal is president of commercial space technologies, former associate administrator for the FAA office of commercial space, transportation space guy. So there you go. Should

Stacey Higginbotham (01:26:53):
Send a space force person up there every now and then

Leo Laporte (01:26:57):
Just to get mean Steve Carrell. That'd be great.

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:00):
No, the

Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:01):
Actual guardian,

Leo Laporte (01:27:05):
They got their own rock hits.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:08):
They, they don't go up in this space. How cool would that

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:10):
Be? So your founder up Donald Trump.

Leo Laporte (01:27:12):
Oh yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:14):
They were creating space. Okay. So I'm coming around on space force. Y'all

Leo Laporte (01:27:18):
Are yeah. Are

Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:20):
I am so actually the Russian Ukraine conflict shows and also because I've been reading, what's the title of this Dow absolute downer of a paper. It is the annual threat assessment of the us intelligence committee. Yikes. that was released earlier this morning. You

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:38):
Have all the fun stuff, Steve.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:40):
I know, but

Leo Laporte (01:27:41):
Between that is sad. Doku over here,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:44):
The challenges are S is our satellite infrastructure is so relevant. So

Leo Laporte (01:27:49):
Don't go, sir, to you. Go ahead, Stacy.

Ant Pruitt (01:27:52):
Sorry, miss Stacy. I'm sorry.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:55):
This happens all the time to me.

Ant Pruitt (01:27:58):
I'm so sorry. I'm like,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:00):
I'm sincerely trying to explain the dangers of

Ant Pruitt (01:28:03):

Jeff Jarvis (01:28:05):
Try talking about Gutenberg Stacy and see how far you get. I can speak from experience.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:11):
All right. We've already seen Russian interference with satellite communications and satellite communications are not just key for mapping, but they're actually becoming control items and lots of ready. The I O T. So having some in China and Russia both have well defined satellite space programs and they're creating missiles and infrastructure that legitimately are aimed at target, like are targeted towards space. So if we have an international conflict, it is fair to say that our infrastructure and space will be attacked and we should think of ways to fix that. So that that's why space force becomes actually relevant. Now, I don't know if their current space force is being trained with the skill sets. We would need to counteract this, but that's why I'm coming around on space force.

Leo Laporte (01:28:59):
That is all. Thank you, Hermione. Yeah, basically Hermione. He,

Jeff Jarvis (01:29:05):
He can boss.

Leo Laporte (01:29:06):
He's a good name.

Jeff Jarvis (01:29:08):
That beats. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:29:09):
Good. Better. Here's another one for Hermione, C five S I F I V E raises 175 million. They want to do risk five chips.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:22):
This is really exciting. Y'all don't really, you can't have two Stacy excitements back to back.

Leo Laporte (01:29:27):
Yes, we can

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:28):
Delete the podcast.

Leo Laporte (01:29:30):
Oh God. Explain to us what risk five is. One more time.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:35):
Risk five is an open source. ISA instruction set for chips. So it competes with like Intel X, 86 instruction set, or the arm instruction set. This is how chips it's the operating system for chips basically is how

Leo Laporte (01:29:48):
You should and sci five makes chips. They're a Foundry that makes chips based on the, they're

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:54):
Not a found

Leo Laporte (01:29:54):
Chip. Oh, they're not

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:55):
Sci five is a company that is basically like the arm of risk

Leo Laporte (01:29:59):
Five. Oh. So they take the risk five designs and then they make more designs.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:03):
Yes. And they make more designs and they've tested them. You don't need to use sci five because risk five is open source, but they just make it easier much like armed us so

Leo Laporte (01:30:13):
That, so they build bigger,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:14):
They license

Leo Laporte (01:30:15):
Their SOCs and things like that. More capabilities and stuff like that. Okay. And then somebody else's founder, I guess who makes these, do we know

Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:24):
You can send, you can send it to TSMC. You can set it global. Any Foundry will make risk. Okay. So this is really exciting because risk five. I mean, I feel like it's been a sleeper hit since like 2014, but that's just me. But people are really realizing it. Now it's getting a huge boost from the arm Invidia deal. When that was announced, everybody was like, oh crap. If Invidia buys arm, we're gonna need an alternative architecture. Right. Let's check out where five. And then a lot of people started designing and playing with it and they were like saying have bad. Let's keep using it. So this is a really good, like, this is a huge series. It's like a series E round for them. It's a lot of fricking money, but they're trying to go be the next. So, and Intel is back them. AMD is backing them. Like this is really a big deal in the chip. Oh, wow.

Leo Laporte (01:31:12):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:14):
Oh, Intel's gonna be a risk five factory. 

Leo Laporte (01:31:16):
Yes. That's right. In fact, they they're one of the dumb question. Creators are risk five. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:31:21):
With all those competitors backing the same thing, even though it's open, is that, is there any kind of antitrust consideration at all

Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:29):
Is closed sci five. The way it could be construed as antitrust down the road is if only the sci five versions get software support. But right now the software that runs on top of it, Intel an arm don't really have a big foothold in that. Like if they owned Linux, then we might be worried. But because someone can always come out and make their own risk, five chips and people already are, it's not as big of a risk. Does that make sense? Yep. If you saw sci five, go in and buy red hat, that might be well red. Nobody uses red hat pick something that people use.

Leo Laporte (01:32:07):
Oh, people use red hat. People use

Ant Pruitt (01:32:09):
Red hat. Let's people

Jeff Jarvis (01:32:11):
A sponsor once in a while, right?

Leo Laporte (01:32:12):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:14):

Leo Laporte (01:32:15):
Right. That's not why I've said that.

Ant Pruitt (01:32:18):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:19):
No. I just, I like, I'm like they have

Jeff Jarvis (01:32:21):
This good sense to be a sponsor. And so, you know, we wanted credit for that

Ant Pruitt (01:32:27):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:28):
Yes. Okay. So that, that's the Stacy nerd talk.

Leo Laporte (01:32:30):
Good. Thank you anyway. And that's why I bookmarked it. I thought that would be a, a good story for you. And now a story for Jeff Jarvis.

Ant Pruitt (01:32:39):
Oh no.

Leo Laporte (01:32:40):
I'm really mad at the New York times for saying Ben and Justin Smith Named Gina OI as executive editor. So first of all, congratulations, Gina OI executive editor Reuters. She's I think 61 60, she previously editor in chief of the south China morning post. This is that weird star. Nobody knows what Ben and Justin are doing. They're not, but they're not related. They have the same name, the New York times, which used to call people, things like Mr. Smith and Mr. Smith for some reason have decided to make them a couple Ben and Justin Smith. That

Jeff Jarvis (01:33:16):
Is funny. That is funny.

Leo Laporte (01:33:18):
Is it just, am I the only noticed that I

Jeff Jarvis (01:33:20):
Thought that is well, Ben Ben, just for the background, Ben was the editor of Buzzfeed news and then became media columnists, New York times, Justin Smith was the F founder of the weak magazine in the us head of the Atlantic founder there with, with the people who started the courts and then head of Bloomberg media. And the two Smiths went off to start a new media venture to serve everybody who speaks English in the world. But they said nothing more about it. We all don't know what it really is gonna be. So I'll be talking, I'm having Justin come talk to our

Leo Laporte (01:33:51):
Management student. Well, now they have, now that you have a little bit to, to you on because Gina schwa is a very big name.

Jeff Jarvis (01:33:59):
Well, Gina is, is brilliant. I know Gina and, and, and I think this is important too. Gina is trans and to have a trans person that high up in news and media is part of the diversity we have to seek out. And, and I'm glad for that. I think it's gonna make a difference.

Leo Laporte (01:34:15):
Yeah. Cool. So

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:16):
Maybe they used Ben and Justin Smith as a headline, kind of like headline ease because you have limited space in a headline. I'm just thinking of ideas.

Jeff Jarvis (01:34:27):
You could have said Smith and SP everybody's been making,

Leo Laporte (01:34:30):
It's just a very strange

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:32):
Thing I get, no, I get it. It's

Leo Laporte (01:34:34):
Pretty soon. They're gonna be calling them, you know, NIC. And

Jeff Jarvis (01:34:37):
Are they married?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:38):

Ant Pruitt (01:34:39):
They're no, they're not.

Leo Laporte (01:34:40):
They even they're

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:41):
Over another line. And so it doesn't even fit.

Leo Laporte (01:34:44):
It doesn't sense. Nevermind. Makes sense. Yeah. It's a very strange somebody Smiths, somebody Smiths. Yes.

Jeff Jarvis (01:34:51):
Or, or Smith squared.

Ant Pruitt (01:34:53):
Smith squared. It's the

Leo Laporte (01:34:54):
Other reference. Yeah. it happened to me. I accidentally attended a crypto bro dinner.

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:00):

Leo Laporte (01:35:00):
Very guard Alex Kruger. I love the guardian at a Miami event. I found myself surrounded by a cult, obsessed with minting bananas and trading E does it all mean anything? I just like the title. I don't know if there's oh,

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:14):
I came to the dinner was wearing short, was kicked out, came back and then had that moment of realization when you realized, oh no, I'm surrounded by them.

Ant Pruitt (01:35:23):
Oh, they're everywhere.

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:24):
Given Stacy's reaction last week to my suggestion that we should talk about crypto more 

Ant Pruitt (01:35:31):
Nice work. This

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:32):
Is her nightmare.

Leo Laporte (01:35:34):
This is a weird one. Board apes and crypto punks are merging Yuga labs, the NFT company behind the board apes yacht club acquired the rights to crypto punks and me bits collections from lava labs. These are the world's most valuable NFT collections Yuga. Now cont rolls NFTs with around five and a half billion in market cap.

Ant Pruitt (01:36:01):
Yikes, B billions, B

Leo Laporte (01:36:04):
B B B billions. Unbelievable. Ulab says it plans to open up the IP rights of individual crypto punks to their owners. That's I guess how board apes works. I don't even understand what that means. Apparently there was a conflict between the crypto punk community and larva labs, which hadn't been willing to take such a step. So NFT marriage made in heaven, board apes in crypto punks.

Ant Pruitt (01:36:36):
Just speeding next to the last person holding the bag.

Jeff Jarvis (01:36:41):

Leo Laporte (01:36:41):
I am the ultimate

Stacey Higginbotham (01:36:43):
Bag holder.

Ant Pruitt (01:36:43):
Yeah. Just be next to last.

Leo Laporte (01:36:45):
Yeah. Geez. Don't wanna be the last one that's for sure. Yeah. Yep. Do you want the remote controlled cookie store? As long as we're on, I put

Jeff Jarvis (01:36:52):
This here. This is stupid. I put it here cuz it's so stupid.

Leo Laporte (01:36:55):
It's got a smile.

Ant Pruitt (01:36:57):
Is that Waymo looks like one way. It's adorable.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:00):
It's like the giant robot, the robot who? Probes, who roams around the Philadelphia stores plus a, a smaller wagon robot. It's got two faces. It's adorable.

Leo Laporte (01:37:11):
All right. It's from a company called put there for you, Stacy. It's very cute. Make you happy. It's very cute. It's it's from a company called tortoise. They're steered by operators though. They don't, they're not autonomous

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:24):
Big trended robots. By the way, when you see a robot, you might be having a person operating behind it. This is a big thing in autonomy. So when people say this,

Leo Laporte (01:37:33):
Do you have to walk behind it? Or do you have to sit in an office with a steering wheel? Yeah,

Ant Pruitt (01:37:36):
That's my question.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:37):
A lot of them are office controlled. Yeah. And they have like

Ant Pruitt (01:37:40):
Drones. So I was like watching

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:42):
Drone, thousands of miles away. You could deliver cookies yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:37:44):
In the office. So I wanna know who was driving this drone in Shanghai that drove straight into wet cement and got stuck. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:53):
Poor drone.

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:56):
Wait, tell me about

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:56):

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:56):
Cookie robot does deliver

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:58):

Leo Laporte (01:37:59):
Yes. Retailers can use the tortoise mobile smart store to deliver whatever you want. Chocolates, AirPods, socks. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:12):
Is this like, this is actually a really interest think. Wait, cuz for some like in some areas, not all areas. If I like said like, oh I need this. And enough of my neighbors got together and needed it. Maybe it could deliver it to our area in a cost effective way by

Leo Laporte (01:38:27):
Here's an interesting, like in perfect foods they're being used right now by 18 retailers in the us and Europe. But they're all being driven by humans in the remote operations center in Mexico city. Where toward oh wow. Yeah. Why? Why not? Right. People who encounter the robots can tap their credit card. This is from the story in Axios, open the lid and take a box of cookies or AirPods or sweat Sox. Remote operators watching listen. As the transaction takes place, the urchins don't pay for the robots. They just give them 10% of the gross sales.

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:00):
You, I have the socks you're gonna want. It sounds like 1 51.

Leo Laporte (01:39:03):
These are the socks or

Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:04):
Something. How do they, how do they prove that they've paid? Like there's have a credit

Leo Laporte (01:39:08):
Card car. It won't even open until you tap the car. It won't

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:11):
Open until you

Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:12):
Another is everything in its own bin.

Leo Laporte (01:39:15):
They must have some service,

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:16):
Your own stuff you don't

Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:17):
Take. If I pay for a cookie and I grab AirPods,

Leo Laporte (01:39:19):
This is the Amazon store all over again. What's interesting is

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:24):
Good point.

Leo Laporte (01:39:25):
The cold founder, Dimitri Chevy Lanco, who was the Uber's micro mobility guy said, people spend more on these things. People are buying a $35 pastry box. When previously the most they've ever spent at vending machines, maybe $4, they're spending more than they would at a vending machine. Unbelievable. The 18 merchants on board so far go grocer convenience stores in Chicago. Ladies shook a lot, a confectionary in Los Angeles and Ediths which sells what it calls Jewish comfort food in BR New York. If somebody came up to me with a bagel and schmear, you're in I'm you're in fake sum.

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:04):
I do it for chicken

Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:05):
Fri steak and mashed potatoes. Oh,

Ant Pruitt (01:40:07):
Talk to me.

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:09):
I'm gonna beat that. I'm gonna put in the chat here, the oyster vending machine.

Leo Laporte (01:40:14):
Now see that's a bad idea. Cuz oysters

Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:16):
That's dodgy.

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:17):
Go take a look. The oyster vending machine right there. It is

Leo Laporte (01:40:22):
Room right there. Right? Where? Right in chat. Oh, in our chat room. Look at that. Look at you getting all fancy. Wow. Yeah. It's a French vending machine that spits out fresh oysters spits.

Ant Pruitt (01:40:33):
Don't don't say that

Leo Laporte (01:40:36):
It's shuts

Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:37):

Leo Laporte (01:40:40):

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:40):
So add Calvin Trillin. Who's a writer. I, I admire greatly worked for the New York times for years, New York magazine, new Yorker, new Yorker for years, the new Yorker food. He covered great food stuff. Alice let's eat is one of my favorite books ever. And he covered once an oyster festival in somewhere in new England. And he said, the firemen in the oyster festival has always held the firehouse used to like to, to get people crazy. Cuz they would tell people that the real way you eat oysters is to snor them up your nose, which to a non oyster or makes as much sense as

Leo Laporte (01:41:12):
Eating the first place. Ooh gosh. Oh my Ew. So this actually, this was actually quite a good story. You you came up with here, the oyster venting machine all of the oysters are sold unchecked. Some shucking is involved. Shellfish fans can also purchase oyster in advance via a text. And, and it

Jeff Jarvis (01:41:37):
Just sits there. The picture's not good. It just sits there on the street.

Leo Laporte (01:41:41):
Well the,

Jeff Jarvis (01:41:41):
You drive up to it. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:41:43):
The problem,

Jeff Jarvis (01:41:43):
A wall or something.

Leo Laporte (01:41:44):
No, the problem was independently. This store that sold these people would always come when they were closed because people sometimes need oysters in the middle of the night, I guess. So they decided, so they, they actually got this themselves,

Jeff Jarvis (01:41:57):
The Viagra of food after all

Leo Laporte (01:41:59):
The owner, Tony Belo explains people, always arrive when the shop door is closed, which is frustrating for customers and for us. So we looked at these systems, we looked at those being done in agricul because there are many rebuts in the countryside. We contacted the manufacturer who responded to fit the machine for oysters. Since it is a particular positive is not really restrictive, but requires some adjustments, $8, a dozen oysters, not bad. That's good. We need that out here. We got a great oyster. We got hog island.

Jeff Jarvis (01:42:34):
Is it all? But only in months with ours.

Leo Laporte (01:42:36):
Yeah. That's the problem. So now you can get in December. No, that's about months with our 

Jeff Jarvis (01:42:43):
Oh, socks, Leo, 1 51 socks. I found the socks that should go in the thing, the socks. I, one of my numbers,

Leo Laporte (01:42:48):
Point size.

Jeff Jarvis (01:42:49):
That should go in the

Leo Laporte (01:42:49):
Thing. Point size, socks, point size. You mean like the pencil pushers? Bettering department size. Oh, I get it. 72 point 60 point 40 like font points. That's cool. Oh look. And they also have tool bars.

Jeff Jarvis (01:43:04):
Yeah. They have a toolbar and they have a cm YK too.

Leo Laporte (01:43:06):
That's cool. Cm, YK socks. And if you wanna buy a pencil that says, keep on pushing all types are welcome it

Jeff Jarvis (01:43:13):
Out in the maternity ward. What store is

Leo Laporte (01:43:15):
This? This is the the PS type

Jeff Jarvis (01:43:20):
Cool. They actually sell, I think fonts, but aren't those cool to see YK socks. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:43:25):
Look at those C YK, sock fun.

Jeff Jarvis (01:43:29):
All right. That's enough.

Leo Laporte (01:43:29):
Do they have a size 14?

Jeff Jarvis (01:43:32):

Leo Laporte (01:43:32):
The problem? Wait a minute. So many cool socks. Don't come in sizes. See all one size fits everybody. Small,

Jeff Jarvis (01:43:38):
Medium and size the Baba. No, not Baba. We'll see the one that does the sizes. There's another one. That's like

Leo Laporte (01:43:42):
A, oh yeah. That's all they do is like, oh she shocked sizes, light, regular, medium and bold. I like that. That's a cool hat. They didn't put heavy on there. Heavy. All right. Let's let's press the button. That plays the music that begins.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:00):

Jeff Jarvis (01:44:00):
Google changed. Leo's favorite part of the show.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:04):
That was perfect timing. Y'all

Leo Laporte (01:44:07):
Jeff was Asim. If I could talk up an intro and I wanted to show that I can Google details. Its latest big Android feature drop. This will be for next month, I guess, improvements to Google's keyboard, keyboard Google photos and more Google photos. Portrait blur feature will soon be able to blur backgrounds in a wider range of photos, including pictures of pets, food and plants. Okay. Okay. Keyboards,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:40):
Google photos constantly insults me. I just want everyone to know

Leo Laporte (01:44:44):
Why. When

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:45):
Can you take a photo with your Google phone? Yeah. You always is like pick a better shot.

Leo Laporte (01:44:53):
Can you press your hair? What's going on? Did you get in a good night's sleep?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:57):
I figure you would appreciate that aunt. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:44:59):
Well, I mean every time you describe mother TV slash hop also known his hands on photography, right?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:45:06):
Aunt. It is the only howto show. I think I've ever watched you

Leo Laporte (01:45:10):
Take a better photo. An my goodness.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:45:12):
Does your camera wait, does your camera on your phone do that to you? I need to know.

Leo Laporte (01:45:18):
Can that would be no ma'am every shot he takes day.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:45:21):

Leo Laporte (01:45:23):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:45:23):
Every time it's like pick a better shot, pick a

Leo Laporte (01:45:25):
Better shot. We were trying to get some numbers off of a box, way up in the ceiling up there and burn was standing up on this shelf behind us here. And he was going like this camera and then they got a picture and they couldn't read it. And he said, here, try this Samsung galaxy S 22 ultra with its 100 X zoom. Like look at that. You found a use for the one X look. Yes. And it looks good. You can read the numbers. Wow. That looks good. Isn't that? I, and that was that was a optical zoom, not optical zoom. That was digital zoom. It was digital, but it was able to really? Yeah. Normally did. Yeah. It looks like crap. That's good. Yeah. So

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:04):
That's magic.

Leo Laporte (01:46:05):
So there you go. And it said take a better shot afterwards. I don't know else. It,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:11):
It doesn't say take it's just like pick a better shot. And then it goes through like all the

Leo Laporte (01:46:16):
Possible you could get a better shot. Look at that than that kitty cat. That's a great, that is a photo that is Paris Jojo floppy. She's a very cute cat. So that again, it's really handy with the pets to have a big zoom. Yeah. Cause then otherwise if I got that close to her, she would, she's been, yeah, she she'd be gone though. You'd have more stitches on your face. The Google keyboards, grammar correction feature, which has been exclusive to pixel phones will start to come to other phones as well. Great. that's a good thing. Google has also updated the G board emoji mashups 2000 additional emoji mashups. So let take two emojis and mush 'em together. The live transcribed, which I love accessibility app, which will transcribe anything will now work offline. So if you're in a subway or an airplane, you still can get the live transcribed.

Leo Laporte (01:47:14):
Kudos. Yeah, really good. A bunch of other stuff coming, no release date yet, but presumably sometime in the next couple of weeks, since it is March steam is coming to Chromebook steam, which is the number one gaming marketplace on windows now because of the steam deck Linux you can even get it on the Mac and but now it's on select Chromebooks. You can't do it with every Chromebook. You'll have to have enough hardware. This is also part of the yesterday's game developer summit, keynote. So far the Aus Chromebook CX nine, very good or flip CX five. Those I think are Kevin toe's favorite Chromebooks. HP's pro six, C six 40 G2 and an unnamed Lenovo model. You probably need at least an I five. And it says seven gigabytes of Ram. I don't knows somewhere between six and eight. I don't know.

Leo Laporte (01:48:16):
So that's interesting. That's that's good. That's good. Hey, pay for my parking. When you like to be able to do that. Google announced Thursday and slew of new features that rolled out its latest software update. I haven't tried this yet, including the ability to pay for parking, using your voice through a partnership with park mobile. You know, we've talked about this before. It's really annoying. Every jurisdiction has a different parking app. So every time you want a park somewhere, you gotta install it. You gotta download an app. It's so annoying. It's so annoying. I'd love have to see this. If I could just say, Hey, pay my parking. That'd be great. So this partnership with park mobile is only for people using park mobile, but the idea is Google would be adding partners. Over time. Once you park in a spot, you say, Hey, you know who pay for parking? The assistant will prompt you to pay from your phone. Google pay handles a transaction. No more coins. No more confusion says Google. Thank you. Google park. Mobile is the according to park mobile leading app coordinating parking zones across more than 400 cities. Google's domain name registered. Did you know that Google had a domain name registered? It's actually a very good, it's very good. It's perhaps the lowest cost. It has been in beta for the last seven years. Okay. It is now out of beta. That's why I didn't that

Jeff Jarvis (01:49:43):
I envision 10 nervous employees. Are, are they ever gonna let us out beta I'm afraid to ask.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:50):
There was the best tweet about it. They were like, and now prices will rise. And in another year it will be deprecated out. Right? That is true. Google.

Leo Laporte (01:50:00):
It's the Google map. The Google way. I have not experienced this, but maybe you have an, some Google pixel for own cannot make contactless payments after the March security patch.

Ant Pruitt (01:50:11):
No, it was only for the 12 L folks.

Leo Laporte (01:50:13):
Oh, 12 L March feature drop. So we didn't get 12 L on our pixel six. No. So maybe we're glad. We're good.

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:21):
Let me ask you a question since you're a, a pixel six complainer. Yes

Ant Pruitt (01:50:23):
Sir. No, no, no, no, no, no stop saying that. I I'm not a pixel six complainer. Is it Android?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:31):
Android 12.

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:32):
Well, so I, I think I, I, I, I got the latest version cuz it happens. Right, right. And I don't know whether it's just me or whether it's the towers around me, but suddenly my connectivity at home for at and T has gone to, Is that, is that a, is that a known problem around,

Ant Pruitt (01:50:48):
That was the problem with the previous version of the OS. They supposedly patched it to fix connectivity. Oh, they

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:54):
Patch it screwed up mine, I

Ant Pruitt (01:50:55):
Think Ru row. Yep. Wonder if you,

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:59):
I, I wasn't on wifi calling. I had to switch wifi calling cause I can't call my bloody phone at home. Oh wow. And by the way at and T's town.

Ant Pruitt (01:51:08):
Oh wow. Wonder if you can do a rollback? Hmm.

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:13):
What's the thought, cause I don't even

Leo Laporte (01:51:14):
Care about the contactless payment issue was fixed with a server side, fixed Google and asked that on pie day, which was day before yesterday, Android's iOS friendly emoji reactions officially long in major Google messages updates. I still see people saying, when am I gonna get 'em? When am I gonna get 'em? But now when you use Apple's messages to react to a message, you will have a similar reaction instead of a text based reaction on your on your Google messages.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:48):
So, and so laughed at this.

Leo Laporte (01:51:50):
Yeah, it was so bad. No.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:51):
And so loved this message. I

Ant Pruitt (01:51:53):
Get loved a lot.

Leo Laporte (01:51:55):
Loved, loved, well, you know, you know what it is anyway. And wow. I don't know if this is anything to celebrate, but Google has started integrating air rate alerts into Android phones in Ukraine,

Ant Pruitt (01:52:10):
Kudos as a

Leo Laporte (01:52:11):
Service. Kudos.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:12):
That seems helpful.

Leo Laporte (01:52:13):
Oh yeah. You get a red warning triangle eye icon by Google play services. I don't, I don't think you get the actual, you know, sound, but you will be alerted by your phone without installing an additional application.

Jeff Jarvis (01:52:27):
And, and, and a lot of the, the cellular service has been staying up, but it would appear actually, since some people were sharing and by the way, did you see that Ukraine switched to the European power grid in three weeks?

Leo Laporte (01:52:39):
Wow. Is that why they weren't brought down? Wow. Isn't that interesting? That's amazing. Cause the Russians had some years ago used you know, hacking tools to bring down the grid in Ukraine as was clear, it was kind of a test of their capabilities. And I, I gathered that it didn't work this time. Right. So they had to block. Yeah. I've actually been very, yeah, it's amazing.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:01):
No one probably wants to say anything because you never know. Right.

Leo Laporte (01:53:07):
So this is what the alert looks like on your phone and that's a good thing. That's a good thing. We get you know, extreme weather alerts and stuff like that. It seems sensible that you would get air rate alerts. Yeah. As well. And that is aqui change.

Ant Pruitt (01:53:27):
That was nine minutes on a change log. I'm

Leo Laporte (01:53:29):
Impressed. Is that a long time or a short time? That's I don't even know.

Ant Pruitt (01:53:32):
I, I think that's a long time because it's been a bit of hit or miss and a lot of times I think you

Jeff Jarvis (01:53:38):
Have a 32nd record once. Yeah. Like change log diarrhea was

Ant Pruitt (01:53:44):
You literally scrolled like this change lock sucks

Leo Laporte (01:53:48):
Well, if that's how you feel, maybe it's time to get to our picks of the week with our fabulous team on this weekend. Google first as always Stacey Higginbotham with her thing of the week.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:06):
I can't remember if I've done this one. So did I already do the firewall wall of purple?

Leo Laporte (01:54:10):

Ant Pruitt (01:54:11):
Do not recall

Leo Laporte (01:54:12):
The firewall of purple?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:14):
No, the firewall wall. So I've talked about firewall wall. This is a device you use on your router. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:54:19):
I, you might have mentioned firewall before. Heck you have one now

Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:23):
The gold in the blue. I do. So y'all

Ant Pruitt (01:54:26):
Oh, you have firewall. I recognize the logo now. Firewall.

Leo Laporte (01:54:30):
Yeah. But tell us about it. Cause you didn't have one at the time. So I want to hear about it.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:34):
I didn't. And I,

Leo Laporte (01:54:37):
This, the idea is put like a raspberry pie, kind of a security appliance that you, you put in your network. Right? Did you get the gold or which one did you get? The purples?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:46):
I got the purple and I got that because I'm on a gigabit network, but I don't need quite the tools of the fancy purple. Right. I'm sorry of the fancy gold. Right? so what this is I'm, I'm pull, I pulled it here. This is the firewall wallet device. And what I got it for is actually, because I've got probably about 80 or 60 to 80 IOT devices on my network and this actually shows

Jeff Jarvis (01:55:11):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:55:12):
All the traffic on my network.

Leo Laporte (01:55:14):
That's really useful. Yeah. It's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:55:16):
It's a lot. It shows me the traffic on my network. It shows me how many gigabytes or megabytes or kilobits, whatever they're sending. It breaks down by Mac address. What things are sending data where they're sending it to. So you can see things are going to like the people's Republic of China. You would like, or to Colorado. I don't, I still can't figure out who's sending traffic to Colorado, but whatever.

Leo Laporte (01:55:38):
Can you block by a country? I, on my ubiquity, I block China. For instance. Can you just say, I don't want if, if

Stacey Higginbotham (01:55:44):
Did some of my devices won't

Leo Laporte (01:55:46):
Work. Oh yeah, yeah. Oh, it's that?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:55:50):
So, but I, I think it's a really interesting tool. It's this it's good for this audience cuz y'all are super nerdy. It, it, it's not that nerdy. It's not hard to use it. All you download in an app and you plug it in that's it will also quarantine things on your network. If you want, you can also set up VPN features if you wanna do all that through this. But it's really just deep packet inspection on your own network. And I found it to be pretty cool for tracking like how my devices behave and some of them like, why does my outlet need to send that much data? I really don't know.

Leo Laporte (01:56:22):
So it, it also

Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:24):
Questions to ask manufacturers.

Leo Laporte (01:56:25):
It also works as a firewall though, right? It's a security device as well.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:28):
Yes. Yes. I'm, I'm less worried about that, but right. I know I should be,

Leo Laporte (01:56:33):
Well, you've got per controls on it, which is nice. And I presume it's gotta add locking

Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:37):
Some of the features that like your Euro plus or some of the, or pie hole plus services you might. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:56:44):
Oh it has.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:45):
It's easier

Leo Laporte (01:56:45):
Than Phole. It has its own VPN server. Oh, that's interesting. Yes. Oh, that's really interesting. Yeah. Cool. And you're happy with it. Didn't slow your network down. You feel like it was fast.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:56):
It did not. And that's what I was like. Cuz some of these cancel your network down. Yeah. I have not felt like this. So, and for everyone who's telling me I should segment my network. I counter with, if I segment my network properly, then my,

Leo Laporte (01:57:13):
If your OT stuff,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:13):
I O devices, won't talk to my phone in some of my, it

Leo Laporte (01:57:18):
It's so annoying, which it's no problem. Yeah. I've done that. I have an I OT I want to, I call it a VLAN and I have a, a, a regular VLAN for sec secure VLAN. But you have to then do all sorts of rules so that things can talk to one another, by the time you're done. Exactly. It's like a pain. So how many devices? I'm just curious. I'm looking at mine. I have 83 devices on

Ant Pruitt (01:57:41):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:42):
I don't think I have I you to show me, but it no longer shows me

Leo Laporte (01:57:47):
Map this map. And

Ant Pruitt (01:57:48):
40% of those are in the closet somewhere.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:51):
You, I have 65.

Leo Laporte (01:57:52):
You have a better map than I do. Like, and also let me see. I think I could block geographically. Can I?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:58:00):
Oh, you're doing ubiquity. Did you ever see, did I send you that video about how to like super segment your UBI network from YouTube?

Leo Laporte (01:58:07):
Yes you did. That's what I was using. Yes. And that's the thing is you did. Oh yeah. Look at this. So I'm also blocking Ukraine. I didn't realize that. Oh so I'm blocking China, Russia and Ukraine. Maybe. I wonder if that's, I wonder if that is impacting some of my IOT devices. I never even thought about that. Everything see to work with

Stacey Higginbotham (01:58:27):

Leo Laporte (01:58:27):
Yeah. If I should check and see if I have any devices that aren't aren't working. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (01:58:33):
All 83 of

Leo Laporte (01:58:34):
'Em. Huh? Yeah. Geez. Well, you know, oh, you get voice assistance. And I actually was gonna ask you Stacy, if I should get a, a, I was talking to Lisa about a Bluetooth door lock, like the like, oh, with home kit, like the new apple home kit thing.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:58:50):
Oh the home key one who

Leo Laporte (01:58:51):
Makes it home key. That's it? A car makes one, but there's another one I think. No,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:58:56):
There's another one. Thele Thele Incode now has home key. That's a Goodlock is it? It's very efficient. It's a wifi lock, which is great. I don't know if the home kit one is a wifi lock. 

Leo Laporte (01:59:08):
But the, but they also use NF. I think they use NFC. Right?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:11):
They use NFC. Yeah. I'm actually gonna buy a new smart lock and I'm torn between the level, which I think is aesthetically pleasing, but does, and have a keypad attached and just going with the end code.

Leo Laporte (01:59:24):
Some of these, apparently they're very flexible. They, they, they will use varieties of ways to including face ID, to identify and thumbprint. Wow. So you Thele the end code plus you think is all right. That one's wifi.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:42):
Is that their home kid one?

Leo Laporte (01:59:43):
Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:45):
Yes. That's a good, I have that lock on my, on my front door. Y'all come on over, come

Leo Laporte (01:59:50):
On over. I'll bring my, I'll bring my iPhone and kinda get to the, well, I love the idea of being able to say to somebody here, you know, ill let you in. Here's a temporary pass or something like that. That's got,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:00:01):
Well, you don't actually, you don't need a smart lock, a connected lock to do that. I mean, my friend has a programmable Shlock that is not.

Leo Laporte (02:00:08):
Oh yeah. You can just give him a code.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:00:10):
Yeah. She just creates a code and gives me the code. That's set for X number. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:00:15):
Thank you, Stacy. The firewall of purple gigabit, cybersecurity firewall. And rather with wifi protecting your family.

Jeff Jarvis (02:00:23):
Well, you mentioned it was raspberry pie size, but it ain't raspberry probably priced

Leo Laporte (02:00:27):
No several hundred.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:00:28):
It's 189.

Leo Laporte (02:00:31):
Is it? That's still, it says three 19.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:00:33):
I thought it was I'm sorry. It's three 19. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Leo Laporte (02:00:36):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:00:38):
There's a cheaper one for if you're, if you don't have a gig of it network, you can go down.

Leo Laporte (02:00:42):
Yeah. They have a solutions. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:00:44):
Yeah. So if you have like a 500 megabit per second network, I can't remember if it's gold.

Leo Laporte (02:00:49):
There's the blue plus, which is 180 9. The gold is the most expensive 4 68. And there's the firewall of red, which is only 139 bucks. But doesn't have anything inside.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:03):
I think you want the blue

Leo Laporte (02:01:05):
DCY DCY winy DCY there's all the different fire Wallace Pruit. Oh, no, I'm sorry, Jeff. First you're a number of the week.

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:16):
You could do it in any order you want. Cuz this is not a democracy. You are the boss. You can choose what true. You are empowered. Who do you wanna go next?

Leo Laporte (02:01:25):
Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:30):
So 10 minutes to five. I looked at five by time I looked and I said, oh crap, I don't have a number. So I went a little mad trying to search for things. Some of

Leo Laporte (02:01:38):
Which are crap. Look at all of them. You got a hundred numbers. Wow.

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:41):
I know mentioned two things real quickly to plug them. One is I just finished reading listening to Ellie ALS allow me to retort. If you watch MSNBC, you see Ellie Misal often. 

Leo Laporte (02:01:54):
He's great

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:55):

Leo Laporte (02:01:55):
Commentary. Oh, I love him. I know who you're talking about now. I see these pit. Great. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (02:02:00):
And this is so I, this is, I've never seen a case before where I more highly recommend the audio versus the print. Cuz you have to hear him do it with his full yeah. Anger. It is audacious. It is brilliant. And what he argues in it is that the us constitution is a racist document. And and then we know goes on to brilliant the

Leo Laporte (02:02:21):
Argument really.

Jeff Jarvis (02:02:22):
And yeah. But he goes through the nuts and bolts of it and how that is. And, and he says the, the, the it's, you know, the, the Constitution's junk which will get him in trouble in all kinds of places. He was on the view and they were just clutching their pearls. But is brilliantly argued. I wanna assign it to my students. That's a recommendation for the, for the week, but I also wanna recommend something else. So the guy who created a, a, a movie about the li type has been uploading all, all of his, his, his artifacts. And of course, to me, this is just haven't. This is Linotype, Google geek, heaven. He started printing, which has old wonderful corporate videos for things like the LA type. If you, if you go down and just, just pick any minutes in the blue streak, Le types, video, Leo or

Leo Laporte (02:03:18):
We shot, we saw one of these farewell at you on

Jeff Jarvis (02:03:21):
That one, that one shows

Leo Laporte (02:03:22):
We showed that that

Jeff Jarvis (02:03:23):
Was New York times. Yeah. But now these are the corporate videos. So the Le Tron 10, 10, the Le Tron 5 0 5 pick, pick any of them and play two minutes. And it's just, it's just delightful

Leo Laporte (02:03:35):
Peak time. This is from 1969. Let me see if I am I of getting audio,

Jeff Jarvis (02:03:43):
But you didn't test it beforehand.

Leo Laporte (02:03:45):
Here we go.

Jeff Jarvis (02:03:47):

Leo Laporte (02:03:48):
It's a night on Leino type mountain. Oh, well, now that will get is pulled down the right of the Le 5 0 5.

Speaker 13 (02:03:57):
That's like, no, that is definitely public.

Leo Laporte (02:03:59):
Isn't it? Well, it depends on the wind. Spends performance is not the not the author

Speaker 14 (02:04:05):
That moving world of constant change. We can't always rely on yesterday's tools for today's work. At Sala, we make a tool for the graphic arts industry, a sophisticated tool using modern electronics to perform one of the most vital functions and printing and publishing high speed prototype setting. It's a catheter Ray tube prototype setting system called Tron 5 0 5.

Leo Laporte (02:04:33):
We're gonna let Dick D Bartolo play the rest of that on the G. That is awesome.

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:38):
Great stuff. Is the blue street line tape, which came before was, was the tape fed line of tape that still went KA.

Leo Laporte (02:04:46):
How about the tactics of tape setting? I

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:49):
Didn't see that. Go ahead.

Speaker 14 (02:04:50):
Used and proper sequence. The result is gales, a classified semi classified ads with all lines in order ready for proofing, Time consuming, slug, collating and hands PAC are held to a minimum

Leo Laporte (02:05:09):
Slug collating. You know how time consuming slug collating. COAD no one wants to slug collate. Oh, okay. That is printing man. It's there's, there's some fun ones. I know. He's gonna show us some slugs that he is personally. COAD COAD, he's getting his slugs down. I we've seen your slugs before, dude. Wow. It's gotta, you know, a new toy. When you buy slugs, you gotta show him up as a often as you can.

Jeff Jarvis (02:05:40):
This is a compositor Type setting thing. Would

Leo Laporte (02:05:45):
You? Yeah. I'm sorry. What is move that over

Jeff Jarvis (02:05:48):
Or do I, this is where you put the letters one at a time, little tiny,

Leo Laporte (02:05:51):
The person who lays out the newspaper

Jeff Jarvis (02:05:53):
Into that one before one at a time,

Leo Laporte (02:05:57):
My hand, Of course, after you finish the newspaper, then you have to do your slug color, put all back. No one wants to do time consuming slug, colation it put, what do you got for? Wow. Gotta be

Jeff Jarvis (02:06:12):
Better than mine, right?

Leo Laporte (02:06:13):
No, I liked yours. That was pretty cool. No, I Jarvi. Yeah. And I noticed that it wasn't on YouTube. It was ons. Vio look like it's actually his, it says printing films. Oh, you're right. That does look like the Vimeo interface. Doesn't oh, no. Oh, how much longer will that be there? Oh, go download. 'em All quick. Oh boy. Put 'em up on YouTube. Wow. Cause everybody needs the tactics of tape setting. Oh my. But that's fascinating. Yep. My pick first it's a great mirror image that they find folks at ESPN and sports center, because I know all of you folks watch that stuff religiously, but I thought it's pretty cool. And, and also heartwarming featuring tiger woods. And it's just a great mirror image right there on line 1 54. Ah, and the ti tiger looks in the mirror and this is him. Is this his kid? And is his son Charlie. Oh, and they do the same. Of course they do. Is tiger. Go burst into tears. I bet he is. But watch it though. It's it's they, they have all the same mannerisms. It's really true. That happens. It's crazy. Look at the, walk, the gate, look at that. Aw.

Leo Laporte (02:07:33):
And he, he, he,

Ant Pruitt (02:07:35):
He, he digs that, man. Yeah. That's really sweet. I like how you talked about oh, I have the audio muted. I should turn it on

Speaker 15 (02:07:43):
Just the, the nose, those thing that we have, we both have allergies. So, so we both struggle on the golf course. We get like wind blowing or both sniffing and,

Ant Pruitt (02:07:53):
And they rub their nose things Zach. Same. It's so cute. Look at that. That's crazy. That's neat. That's on that. See that the sports center, Instagram, if you want to see it yourself, that's I'll use sports spa folks is part of TWiT. Yeah. That's really sweet. Yeah. Next up is the, I don't know how to pronounce it or close, close C L O S app. This app has been around for a little while and, and one of the hands on photography listeners, Mr. Jim mentioned it to me a while back, but I never really said anything about it because it was only iOS and now they have it for Android as well in limited use. But the, of this app is to create a virtual photo shoot. And I'm looking to dial into this because I've had some people back east that want some work from me, but oh, they can watch you while you're working or I can guide them through, well, yeah, if you wanna do this too, I

Stacey Higginbotham (02:08:52):
Was gonna say, I'm actually gonna get a new headshot. So if wanna, like, I, I was gonna hire someone here, but we could practice

Ant Pruitt (02:08:59):
If you want. See, well, yeah, this is, I thought this would be pretty cool to try it out. Cuz I did have the Android version a little while ago and it just kept crashing and kept crashing. And I reached out to the devs and they said, yeah, we got an update coming out. That's gonna fix all that we know. And the update came out yesterday day and it is much better on Android and it's a free app. And the images when I played around with it just in the house, it looks pretty good. So I'm gonna try it out with some real people and highly recommend. And lastly order some prints and and go check out the images and order some prints, beautiful stuff, help continue to pay for college.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:45):
Oh college. How

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:47):
Many of those college tuition checks you gonna be writing soon?

Ant Pruitt (02:09:49):
Oh geez. Yeah, yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine art America, but you can just go right to your website, right? At would take you right to the shop and are they really doing a nice job? Printing those out? They do a great job and it saves me a lot of money doing it myself. Oh yeah. You don't wanna, you don't ever wanna get in that business to pay them. Do you lose money if you did that? Yes. Yeah, they do a really good job. Even the large prints come out, looking nice. Really, really good. I've had a lot of positive feedback about that. Nice. Thank you everybody for joining us. We are now on summertime, so we're a little bit different and I know some people maybe are thrown by this

Leo Laporte (02:10:32):
Cuz the us went to summertime a little early, just like we go a little late to stay in time just cuz we wanna mess with the rest of the world. We do this show at 2:00 PM. Pacific 5:00 PM Eastern time, 2100 2100 2100 CTC. And that's gonna stay that way for the rest of the summer. I I guess until, and in fact, if Marco Rubio has his way in 2020

Ant Pruitt (02:10:56):
Changes their

Leo Laporte (02:10:57):
Mind, we'll stop doing this entirely. You can watch chat, live Join us in club Twitter. If you're club TWiT member, you can chat there, but there's a lot of other stuff going on. We've got a big event tomorrow, Patrick Delahanti TWiT engineer, our coder. He knows how the backend works. Mr. Backend. He will be doing an inside TWiT at 9:00 AM. Pacific Stacy's book club is Thursday, March 24th a week from Thursday. The unauthorized bread book club. You still have time to read it cuz it's a Nova. As you have time easily,

Ant Pruitt (02:11:32):
I've finished it for sure. I'm done. Yep.

Leo Laporte (02:11:34):
And then Paul thurrot at the end of the month now that's just real. Really the main thing we thought people would wanna join club TWiT for is the ad free versions of all of our shows. Turns out the discord is also a great clubhouse, thanks to you Ann. And as our community manager and we're having lots of fun in there. So please join us in there. We all sorts of conversations. We out our our TWiT Minecraft server for people who want do that. We talk about sports space, coding, travel. There's Stacy.

Ant Pruitt (02:12:06):
Yeah. I had to make that G that week I had to. So funny

Leo Laporte (02:12:13):
You all, y'all, you know, $7 a month puts you in the club and I tell you, it is worth every penny of it. Just go to

Ant Pruitt (02:12:22):
We are grateful to every one of you there. Thank

Leo Laporte (02:12:24):
You. It's a, it's a big contribution makes it possible to do things like this. We, since weekday space, which we just launched in in a lot more. So it's pretty cool

Ant Pruitt (02:12:31):
To see the club is

Leo Laporte (02:12:32):
Growing. I love the club every week. I really, I hang out there all the time. We also have of course, plenty of free ways you can play. We have our TWiT Our TWiT Mastodon is You're both invited to join both. They free. I do approve each person so that we don't get spammers in there. So please just go on in there and I'll prove you within 24 hours, open to all. And of course, all of the shows are available for download from the website for TWiG it's twit TV slash TWiG. There's also a YouTube channel dedicated to this week in Google. So you can watch there. That's a good place to share. And of course, if you have a podcast preferred podcast player, if you subscribe there, you'll get the show. The minute that's available, that's the best our recommended route to listen to this week in Google. Thanks for being here, everybody we'll see you next week. Byebye.

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