This Week in Google Episode 653 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for TWiG This Week in Google, Stacy. Higginbotham's back, Ant Pruitt's here. So is Jeff Jarvis. We'll talk about how technology is changing the face of war in Ukraine. The future of hardware is its subscriptions. Spotify's card Dole. Yes, there's probably a subscription there. And how Brandon said Anderson raised 15 million for four new books. It's all coming up next on TWiG.

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Leo Laporte (00:00:40):
This is TWiG. This week in Google episode, 653 recorded Wednesday, March 2nd, 2022, thumb suckers and hot takes. This episode of this week in Google is brought to you by HPE GreenLake, orchestrated by the experts at C D w to help deliver a seamless and scalable cloud experience that comes to you. Learn more at P E. And by hover, whether you are a developer photographer or small business, hover is something for you to expand your projects and get the visibility you want. Go to to get 10% off your purchase of any domain extension for the entire first year. It's time for TWiG This Week in Google, the show it, somebody said it should be TWiG This Week on Google. I don't know if that's any better. We cover..

Stacey Higginbotham (00:01:35):
I will not work for TWoG.

Leo Laporte (00:01:38):
Hey, it's Stacey Higginbotham. She's back Stacey. I

Stacey Higginbotham (00:01:44):
I'm so glad to be back. We miss

Leo Laporte (00:01:45):
We missed you. We miss you.

Jeff Jarvis (00:01:46):
Happy to have you.

Leo Laporte (00:01:47):
Yay. Everybody's it's it's the, everybody in the house. In fact, literally in the house sitting next to you in the house.

Jeff Jarvis (00:01:53):
Yay. Hi Ant! I didn't say hi yet.

Leo Laporte (00:01:56):
Ant Pruitt, looking sharp. I try. Yep. And always doing a great job with a club. We talk a little bit about some of the club TWI specials you've put together. Yep.

Ant Pruitt (00:02:07):
It's been fun so far. Yep. And I'm still still enjoying the Stacey Higgin, bought them book club. And I'm I'm about halfway through this, this month's book.

Leo Laporte (00:02:17):
Corey's Corey's book. Corey's gonna be on Twitter on Sunday. I'll have to tell him that you're doing the book clubs. Tell him

Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:23):
We're doing a club with unauthorized bread.

Ant Pruitt (00:02:25):
Yeah. I bought the Kindle version and I struggled with it as usual. So I ended up buying the audio versions and I bought the audio. The audio version is awesome.

Leo Laporte (00:02:34):
Audio books are great. It's great. They are great.

Ant Pruitt (00:02:37):
They're great. I just, I'm

Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:38):
Gonna start picking audio books for, just for you. No,

Ant Pruitt (00:02:41):
Don't do that because I know because I'm still

Leo Laporte (00:02:42):
Everything's on audio. I'm

Ant Pruitt (00:02:44):
Still trying. But I think, I think that's when I actually have a D D is when I try to read books that aren't like instructional books. Yeah. You know something about reading for leisure, just doesn't do it for me. I

Leo Laporte (00:02:56):

Jeff Jarvis (00:02:56):
Shall we note at this moment that the man who popularized audio books, Duval, het has died at the age of 91.

Leo Laporte (00:03:03):
That is by the way, Jeff Jarvis, everyone knows he has died. Everyone knows him as the Leonard tower professor for journalistic innovation at the Comes with his own coral group, graduate school of journalism, the city university of New York who invented audio books. I never heard this. I

Jeff Jarvis (00:03:24):
Didn't invent somebody popularized me was founder books on tape

Leo Laporte (00:03:27):

Jeff Jarvis (00:03:27):
On books. I used to be, I used to be on the board of reading for the blind. Yeah. And dyslexic, which changes name learning ally. But it was started after world war I, because of mustard, gas, and other things that made yikes veterans blind. And so volunteers came together to read books for them. And that was the form. But Duval, he started books on tape as a company. And I'm trying to see the year here 1975, so much, much, much later, but really led to the, to the popularization of them as a, as a tool, of course, one company took them all over as happens to everything. Good. And now it's all audible, but I like audible audibles. Okay. So far audible.

Leo Laporte (00:04:11):
So I was a books on tape user. I had a long commute, two hours, sometimes each way to tech TV starting in 98. And I would get a, you know, a Bo a box would come in the mail with 38 audio cassettes in it. Remember that, and, and you'd put 'em in your cassette player. And if, and if one

Jeff Jarvis (00:04:33):
What's a cassette

Leo Laporte (00:04:34):
And if one of them got damaged, you know, you were stuck that point you'd, you'd tell 'em and they would send you a new set. And then, but you only had a month to get through the book cuz you had to set it back like library. And when audible came around, I subscribed in 2000, 20, 22 years ago. That was a lifesaver because you, you didn't have to send him back. Right. You didn't have broken cassette, nothing. You didn't have to worry about file corruption. No. Well,

Jeff Jarvis (00:04:59):
You know,

Leo Laporte (00:05:00):
Downloaded again,

Jeff Jarvis (00:05:02):
You know, Libra V.

Leo Laporte (00:05:03):

Jeff Jarvis (00:05:04):
Which is, which is the, you know, the, the, the open podcasting, it's the volunteer version. There was a book I needed to, to read and I didn't have time. And so I went on Libra box and found it was William Dean. How book from, from the Giled age and the, the, the narrator was great. He was phenomenal, which

Leo Laporte (00:05:24):
Is cool. Cause these are volunteers. So, you know, they're

Jeff Jarvis (00:05:27):
All public

Leo Laporte (00:05:27):
Domain. It's gonna be CA probably when I retire. That's what I'll do is I'll read for these guys. That would be kind of fun. I could

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:32):
Do that for free and build my like audio narrator.

Leo Laporte (00:05:36):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:37):
Dreams you

Leo Laporte (00:05:39):
Case I would, I would get EV you know what you, you should do Stacy, you should do Edith Wharton accents. You no, Edith Wharton novels would be, yeah, you could do the accents. That would be so great. If you know, you did age of innocence and house of me, you would be perfect for that. I do.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:55):
I do love a good Edith Wharton. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:05:57):
I know. They're great. I have I have an audio audible version of how Murth I've been listening to fantastic. But I could hear you reading those. That'd be, that'd be wonderful. Anyway. Yeah, I,

Jeff Jarvis (00:06:11):

Leo Laporte (00:06:11):
Anyway, let's mention though, I mean, I am glad you mentioned it because he, he was a pine Aaron books on tape was for many of us kind of the, the entry entry gateway, drug Duval, het the agent

Jeff Jarvis (00:06:24):
Warren peace ran 45 tapes.

Leo Laporte (00:06:26):
I remember I, yes, I was listening to the Aubrey match in series and I get these big boxes of tapes and you'd kind of have to hustle cause you, you only had a month to listen.

Ant Pruitt (00:06:37):
My grandmother she used to run a flower shop in Greenville, South Carolina. And our commute was from Clemson to Greenville. So it was a little long for her. And we would get in the car with her in the summers to go work at the flower shop. And she would always pop these tapes in and like, oh man, why, why are you listening to this stuff? We wanted to hear you using. And she was always playing these books on tape. And I'm like, oh, grandma, give us some music, please.

Leo Laporte (00:07:04):
Hex was working as a, a broker in Los Angeles in late sixties. He had, as everybody does in LA, a long, awful commute, he told the LA times he became frantic to escape his daily misery on the road radio. He said offered a little more than bad music and worse news. He founded a degree of solace and recorded books for the blind, which he played on a real, to real machine that wrote along like a passenger in his Porsche. Oh. But in 1975 he with a seed money from the sale of his Porsche, he started

Jeff Jarvis (00:07:39):

Leo Laporte (00:07:39):
Books on tape. And really books on tape was, was a lifesaver for me. I I love it. Well, all right. You know what, I'm glad you brought that up. We're big fans of audio books here indeed. And audible has really kind of democratized it and simplified it. Yep. And they, by the way, they have a lot of books on tapes, recordings on audible, I guess they licensed them over. So, so

Jeff Jarvis (00:08:03):
I'm reading the Washington post a bit, quote, listening is just returning literature to its original form before Gutenberg got the act. He once told the journal, referring to the 15th century craftsman regarded as a father of Marty print. Do they really think, people don't know who Gutenberg is?

Leo Laporte (00:08:19):
Well not if they listen to this show, they are experts on Gutenberg on this show. Stacy,

Jeff Jarvis (00:08:27):
Let us note that last week you were whining and moaning and mulling about how we had no news at good Lord. The fate answered you.

Leo Laporte (00:08:36):
Yeah, well a war, yes. War is bad for humans and other things, but it happens to be good for news. The news business. I remember working in TV news and it's kind of embarrassing and sad, but you know, day in, day out, it's really boring man bites dog. But when something, when there's a big story, you kind of jump into

Stacey Higginbotham (00:09:00):
It. Don't find the closest Ukrainian citizen exactly. And ask them what they think exactly who has suppliers from the Ukraine or from Ukraine.

Leo Laporte (00:09:08):
So as a, and the other thing that's different in this war is how technology has influenced. It changed. It become a part of the battleground is really even from, you know, Afghanistan and Iraq and other recent wars it's changed dramatically.

Ant Pruitt (00:09:25):
No one has mentioned anything about oil or anything like that. It's all cyber

Stacey Higginbotham (00:09:29):
Actually. So from a technology perspective, there is both helium and neon, our, our supplies that actually are used in the semiconductor manufacturing process. So I've seen,

Leo Laporte (00:09:42):
Are they all out of Russia?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:09:43):

Leo Laporte (00:09:44):
Is Russia the

Stacey Higginbotham (00:09:44):
Primary, oh, they're out of Ukraine,

Leo Laporte (00:09:46):
Ukraine. Oh

Stacey Higginbotham (00:09:48):
65% of our supplies of ultra pure neon used in etching for chip manufacturer comes from a

Leo Laporte (00:09:55):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:09:56):
Interesting. Well, a plant in Odesa

Leo Laporte (00:09:59):
It's a chemical plant though. So presumably you could, it's not like they're mining the neon. They're not digging it out.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:05):
You have to make it or filtering it out of the air. You do actually have, it's a clean room facility process. So you have to have, I can't remember,

Leo Laporte (00:10:15):
It's a comp implicated process.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:17):
You don't just like pop these up overnight, but yes, you don't. I don't think they might, if they're they just purify it

Leo Laporte (00:10:23):
There. Yeah. So, but you could have a neon factory built elsewhere in time. It just might be one more of those shortages we've been suffering. Yeah. Wow. I didn't see

Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:34):
That. That's the point.

Leo Laporte (00:10:35):
This is why we missed Stacy. Would you

Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:38):
Exactly weird news about semiconductors?

Leo Laporte (00:10:41):
There actually, I put some semiconductor news in here just for you, Stacy. You'll be glad to know. Aww. But let's start with Ukraine and and and how tech tech is responding to it. And there's so many stories of course the most interesting person, all of this is the vice prime minister of Ukraine who has taken it upon himself, or maybe it's his portfolio to tweet to all the tech companies. Oh yeah. Michalo fed federal rough. Washington post just had a profile. He's on him. He's the nation's youngest cabinet minister. And he, he has taken to Twitter to shame Silicon valley. Six months ago, he made a pilgrimage to a Silicon valley to discuss Ukraine's digital transformation. He posted a photo of himself arm and arm with Tim cook, praising him as the most efficient manager in the world.

Leo Laporte (00:11:38):
He called on Tim cook last week to shut down the app store in Russia and on Tuesday yesterday, apple responded and did so cut off all sales paused, all product sales shut down the app store and shut down. And this is partly due to the bank shutdowns in, in Russia. The ability to use apple pay Google did the same with Google pay in, in Russia. And I've seen pictures of people queuing mass crowds queuing at the subway stations, cuz they couldn't get in with their touch to pay devices. You need

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:13):
Cash and you can't get cash either.

Leo Laporte (00:12:15):
Yeah, yeah. Cuz the ATMs are, there's a run. So he's 31 years old and he's his, his it's been really interest. I shouldn't really even laugh at this, but his Twitter account has become, you know, the place, you know, where you know, Ukraine, it comes to Silicon valley and says, please help us. Let's see what the latest are. Starlink many, thanks to Elon Musk. Starlink keeps our cities connected and emergency saving services, saving lives. And now we, I think

Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:47):
He's just doing that

Leo Laporte (00:12:49):
As a thank you

Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:50):
Hand to Elon Musk in his ego in part I'm like Elon was like, I will send Starling things. I'm like

Ant Pruitt (00:12:57):
Brianna, did they not

Leo Laporte (00:12:58):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:58):
Satellite communications?

Ant Pruitt (00:13:00):
I was trying to find a tweet from Brianna. Woo.

Leo Laporte (00:13:03):
She's been kind of the counter. Yeah. The counter to this. Some have pointed out that Russian military is very good at tag using satellite links as targets so that the terminals for Starlink might not be the most. You gotta keep moving if that got, oh yeah. Alex Lindsay confirmed that yesterday on Mac break weekly because apparently he had been doing a stream in Turkey and using Starlink and they did in fact have to move regularly to avoid being shut down letters of

Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:38):

Leo Laporte (00:13:38):
Congratulating, SAP, and Oracle for their support. Again, this is fed off earlier thanking them for the blockade. This is really an interesting way to, I mean, I can't remember. This is ever before you had to put pressure on on big business use, use Twitter for it. They're also crypto, it's been a big thing for crypto, both on both sides. Some crypto exchanges have refused to shut down in Russia. That seems to be, you know, the, maybe it's one of the only ways you can move money in Russia these days. But others have have sent, there's been, I think 30 million in cryptocurrency sent to Ukraine. So that's an interesting cryptos. I kind of understand how if you're a crypto exchange, the whole reason you do crypto is so that there's no centralized, there's film politics involved, but this puts you in an interesting position. The world is turning against Russia. 

Jeff Jarvis (00:14:42):
I'm really curious to hear what you all think about whether or not YouTube should take down RT as, as one example of 

Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:52):
I don't think you should. I mean discussion. Yes. RT is government propaganda, but it's also a huge source of news through news, right? I don't, I don't think you should.

Leo Laporte (00:15:02):
They demonetize them. Google has blocked RT other channels from earning ad money, which seems at least the least you could hear, but yeah, they've been getting, YouTube's been getting some criticism,

Jeff Jarvis (00:15:13):
Well, they're taking it down and they've taken it down in Europe. They took down RT and Sputnik in Europe, but it's still in the us. And if you go to RT, which I do a couple times a day to see what insanity they're spreading it's a YouTube player at RT now RT could surely have a, you know, a Russian may a player of some sort. But, but it's on, on YouTube. It's on YouTube

Leo Laporte (00:15:35):
Service. Oh boy. That's interesting. Huh? what, how, what does RT say? I mean, is it, is it,

Jeff Jarvis (00:15:42):
Oh, so they had a, oh a couple things. They had a they were playing a lot of documentaries. Eric quotes about, you know a Ukrainian Nero and the Don boss motivated them to come in. Oh please. They so it's you go on

Leo Laporte (00:15:57):
Pure Putin prop? Oh,

Jeff Jarvis (00:15:58):
It's pure. The big thing is this the big thing, I just heard the argument before I came on the show that they make, which is that evil Amer it's all evil America, evil America manipulated crane into this position so that we could then fight with Russia.

Leo Laporte (00:16:19):
Oh boy, the proxy, the proxy war proxy

Jeff Jarvis (00:16:21):

Leo Laporte (00:16:21):
Yeah. As we had and

Jeff Jarvis (00:16:22):
How evil and awful this is, it's our fault. Yeah, we did this. It's it's, it's an American war, even though we didn't

Leo Laporte (00:16:29):
He's this is from the hill. Russia says me and Google should be held responsible for inciting the war. Oh yeah. It's their fault.

Jeff Jarvis (00:16:38):
So, so everybody accuses them of doing everything on every side of every fight.

Leo Laporte (00:16:45):
Russia, state communications also demanded tech companies stop discriminating against Russian media in Europe. That's YouTube. Of course. Yep.

Jeff Jarvis (00:16:53):

Leo Laporte (00:16:55):
You know, the other thing I found interesting, and I was very considered, we talked about this last week, I've talked about it on some of the other shows that there would be a cyber war at the same time and that may still materialize, but

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:09):
So far not

Leo Laporte (00:17:10):
Surprisingly, so much, not so much before. Right. When the invasion started, you may remember briefly Russia or somebody took down DDoS. The Ukraine banks Russia has in the past attacked Ukraine their power grid back in 2014. In fact, according to this article in the Washington post Joseph men and Craig partly that's because of Russia's previous attacks in 2015 and 2016 Ukraine focused on hardening their systems. And so we're less vulnerable than we even, we are here in the United States. The

Ant Pruitt (00:17:50):
Thing is though, sir, we may not hear any news about this until next week or week after, because isn't it pretty standard that we don't know about de intrusion until well, beyond after the fact, you know, it's not like an alert happens as soon as they get in the door, especially.

Leo Laporte (00:18:07):
Well, it depends what they do. I mean, when they do the banks, everybody DDoS are immediately we're immediately down. Yeah. They may be wandering around in the networks. In fact, there's some evidence they're wandering around in our grid as well. 

Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:19):
Yeah, the thought process is you don't do a cyber attack. It's kind of like not nuclear war, but it is like if you spend all the time in effort to get there, you don't deploy that lightly because you have one chance to use that

Ant Pruitt (00:18:32):
To, okay.

Leo Laporte (00:18:33):
Right. As soon as you initiate the attack defensive steps are initiated.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:39):
And also I will say CSA, which cyber, hold on.

Leo Laporte (00:18:44):
Yeah, this is the infrastructure.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:45):

Leo Laporte (00:18:45):
The us cyber

Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:47):
Security and infras. Yes. Cybersecurity infrastructure security agency. They have a program called shields up and from the beginning of the tensions, they have been updating that page. And the advice on there is excellent. It's very even handed and it's also really identify or really focuses on monitor. Look know what's happening on your systems starting yesterday, but now is fine too. I, I like it because it, it's not panic bonding. They're very clear to say that they have not seen attacks against the us in us companies here. But they're giving concrete advice on what to do.

Leo Laporte (00:19:30):
Richard Richard Clark says we still believe retaliation, including cyber, Texas coming. So as, as with everything in this war it's, it's pre be premature to say, oh, nothing happened, but so far, right. Nothing has happened. And as, as you pointed out an you know, you don't want to trigger the the, the, the bomb and until you're ready at the time is right. You might get more valuable information just by secretly wandering right inside the network. So Jake Williams, former NSA hacker now on the information security research group at S this is quote from the Washington post. If I wipe a bunch of their computers today, I can't do that tomorrow. A big question is when do you pull the, a trigger? Right. So that's, you're exactly right. For all we know, they're, they're in there and we just don't don't know, here's the Starlink dishes being delivered to I guess Ukraine. This is again from Feder off and it tweets thanks, Elon Musk. You're right. It may just be, it may just be kissing up to Elon, probably all wise thing wise thing he bought by

Stacey Higginbotham (00:20:34):
A few stinger. Very thin thin skin.

Leo Laporte (00:20:37):
Yeah. Nice Toon. Yes. He's very sensitive. Small. What? Go ahead.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:20:47):
I wasn't actually.

Leo Laporte (00:20:49):
Wow. No, it's okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:20:50):

Leo Laporte (00:20:51):
No judgment, no judgment.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:20:53):
I was gonna say a small sense of self. Yes.

Leo Laporte (00:20:56):
Yes. That's it. Of course. That's what

Jeff Jarvis (00:20:58):
You're gonna say.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:20:59):
Of course it actually was. Okay. No, I know I'm, I'm, I'm just teasing you. I'm not a guy. I, I think that way, this is why

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:07):
You have to build rockets in a certain shape that

Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:12):

Leo Laporte (00:21:12):
For aerodynamics. Google has kind of a modified Google maps early on. We talked about the professor who with his students predicted the invasion like 12 or 13 hours earlier because Google maps showed traffic blockages and road closures. And it was pretty clear that that was because of the invasion. Google is now blocking edits that it claims may have been used to coordinate Russian airstrikes. So it goes both ways. Doesn't it? Google

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:44):
Maps also amazing

Leo Laporte (00:21:45):

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:45):
Russia counts on Google maps for an attack. I mean, geez,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:51):
There's a free resource.

Leo Laporte (00:21:52):

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:52):
Not? Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:54):
They've we all, yeah. I mean, think about it. You can just send out your soldiers with their smartphones and it's already loaded you're boom. Everybody log to this link.

Leo Laporte (00:22:05):
According to Russia's military is adding specific pins to Google maps, to keep track of where they're gonna attack with missiles, where their trucks are.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:22:16):
It's like we're planning a vacation, they're planning an invasion. I mean, it's, it's literally the same process that you use with your buds.

Leo Laporte (00:22:25):
Google says we, some of these edits go back a while. So we can't say all of them are due to the Russian military, but out of an abundance of caution, we are removing user contributions, like photos, videos, reviews, and business information, and all users submitted places from Google maps in Ukraine, Russia, and be Russ since the invasion began and are temporarily blocking new edits. So by basically just presenting the facts of this is the, this is the map here. You're not gonna let you know, end users modify these maps for any, for any reason.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:22:59):

Leo Laporte (00:23:01):
Wikipedia has also been a battleground big article. It's nice to see an article about Wikipedia every once in a while. People for forget how important Wiki, Wiki donations folks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And of course, Wikipedia in Ukraine and Russia, as well as in the us has been you know, struggling with how to cover the invasion. They, they want to, of course you know, one of the things Wikipedia does very well is cover it. Current news events. I don't know if people know it's a really good, did not a news source. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:23:33):
Oh man. They know when someone famous has died before the internet, half the time. Yeah. Yeah. I know it is

Leo Laporte (00:23:37):
The, this article from slight how the Russian invasion of Ukraine is playing out on English, Ukrainian and what Russian Wikipedia talks about big editorial battles. You know, it started, it started years ago when the decision to use the word Keve instead of Kiev. Oh, was hotly debated back starting in 2003. Kiev is the Russian pronunciation of the Cav. It

Jeff Jarvis (00:24:01):
Is actually Kiev. Keve Kiev. It's still, it's still two syllable. There's a pronouncer I put in the, in the run down there Kiev. Oh, thank

Leo Laporte (00:24:07):
You. Kiev. And then Kiev is the Ukrainian language version of it. Right? And so a nationalist Ukrainian nationalist state. Now I don't call us Kiev. That's what the Ruski call us there's oh, wow. For nearly two decades, Wikipedia editors debated the, the changing of the spelling for, with 50,000 words on arguments and discussions about the issue. But it was in 2014 after the Russian invasion of crimee Kiev ki Kiev,

Jeff Jarvis (00:24:39):
Kiev, Kiev Leo, seriously, it's the audience will find this. Interesting. I think go to line 49. Okay.

Leo Laporte (00:24:47):
Yeah. Cuz he Anderson Cooper say Kiev.

Jeff Jarvis (00:24:51):
They're all saying

Leo Laporte (00:24:52):
Keve and then he said Keve the next day. Right? And here is here's how you say ITM alien on TikTok. I presume she's Ukrainian. Yeah. How does say it, ladies and gentlemen,

Speaker 7 (00:25:06):
How to spell Ukrainians capital? Well, this is how you spell it KU and it's not K Kiev is Russian spelling and pronunciation. That's

Jeff Jarvis (00:25:24):

Leo Laporte (00:25:25):
To do. That's not Kiev all. I it

Jeff Jarvis (00:25:27):
Not at all. Not at all. All, but to, to, you can see how you get there to an American ear. Keve it was reduced to one syllable. So Keve no Keve course Kiev,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:38):
But wouldn't it be

Jeff Jarvis (00:25:39):
A Keve cave. Keve Keve no wonder are people say Keve oh wow. A lot of practice on that. Yeah. It's not.

Leo Laporte (00:25:47):
And if you say that people don't go, what are you talking about? So you gotta choose one or the other Keve or Kiev. No, I get

Jeff Jarvis (00:25:53):
No Kiev Kiev.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:55):
No, you just, you get to we're in a position to educate people.

Leo Laporte (00:25:59):
Should we? Okay. We should be the people who say it right. Kiev.

Jeff Jarvis (00:26:02):
Yeah. That should be

Leo Laporte (00:26:03):
Our goal.

Jeff Jarvis (00:26:04):
Say it again. Keve Keve Keve Kiev. Keve Kiev.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:11):
All right. I found our super cut for the episode.

Jeff Jarvis (00:26:14):
Yeah, it is.

Leo Laporte (00:26:17):
Instagram has responded med has responded in many different ways, but med is rolling out encrypted DMS in Russian and Ukraine. And they're demoting Russian state media worldwide on Facebook. So Nick cl announced the new features yesterday saying Instagram will be giving users notices when they can switch to encrypted chats. Of course, WhatsApp has already been encrypted as his Facebook messenger, but now it's available also on Instagram

Jeff Jarvis (00:26:44):
For both Ukraine and Russia, Russia. Cause the good, the dissidents there needed.

Leo Laporte (00:26:49):
Yes. Well I'm honestly more and more I'm feeling like the only real way out of this is for Russians to rise up against Putin and Toose him

Jeff Jarvis (00:27:00):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:00):
Like a great strategy for them. Well,

Leo Laporte (00:27:03):
What else?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:03):
Just like, it's like saying, Hey, you gotta get rid of Stalin it. And you're like, oh yeah, thanks. That'll help.

Leo Laporte (00:27:08):
I know, but well, I mean otherwise if he's untouchable,

Jeff Jarvis (00:27:13):
I think the best, the best commentator by far in my view is Julie a I think is just, is a stunning mind. Are you

Leo Laporte (00:27:19):
Glad you subscribed? And now

Jeff Jarvis (00:27:21):
I did. I did.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:22):

Leo Laporte (00:27:23):

Jeff Jarvis (00:27:24):
Sun puck. So she said Moscow is the grand exception in Moscow. Putin is surrounded by his, the people who can't stand him, but you go outside, you go into the Heartland of Russia.

Leo Laporte (00:27:36):
They love him. Oh, Theyre watching

Jeff Jarvis (00:27:37):
TV. Boy. They're watching RT you know, the home grown equivalence and, and it's different. So Mosco St. Petersburg. Yeah. You could see protest against Putin. You could see some angry oligarchs who were losing their yachts. One just got taken by Germany, a big one. But they're, they know where their bread is buttered, so they're not gonna fight that much. I agree, Leo. I I'd like to see that, but Stacy's right too. That's us wishing somebody to put themselves in danger mothers and their children were jailed for holding signs that just said no war children.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:14):
They let the children out, I believe.

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:17):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:18):
Cause you know, you don't wanna be, you don't wanna be like putting children in cages.

Leo Laporte (00:28:22):
Oh no. That's so bad. You that's

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:24):
So that's right. Yeah. Nobody would do that.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:26):
That's just terrible.

Leo Laporte (00:28:28):
Even Putin. Wouldn't do that. Let's see what other stories here? I, I wonder now I might save this, the story about birdwatch for later, cuz it's more than just about Ukraine, but it's interesting. This was about a year ago. Twitter announced this fact checking but done by users. Oh

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:51):
Yeah. But I just got a bird watch. I just got a bird watch related to Ukraine. Did you supposedly they were not doing it. And I think that they're figuring out, I just got one

Leo Laporte (00:29:00):
Part of the problem with bird watch is there aren't a whole lot of volunteers. Only a few hundred. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:29:05):
I'm one but

Leo Laporte (00:29:07):
Washington post analysis of data that Twitter publishes on. Birdwatch said that contributors were flagging about 43 tweets a day in 2022 before the invasion of Ukraine. That's nothing. Although the number went up to 156 last week. So, but still that's nothing still. There's a low number. Total flow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 359 contributors. That's all. So I, you know, bird watch, maybe not the success Twitter was hoping it would be, but it's just one of, a lot of things Twitter's trying out EA is eliminating Russian soccer teams from FIFA. It's a, it's a soccer title and the,

Jeff Jarvis (00:29:52):
To Russia, you are dead to us.

Leo Laporte (00:29:55):
Oh wow. Wow. the, the tech community's responding in that way, which is really interesting. Reddit has shut down or quarantined the Russia sub Reddit slash R Russia due Russia. Misinformation, duck do go, which used Yex for some of its non-New searches. Oh,

Jeff Jarvis (00:30:20):
That's right.

Leo Laporte (00:30:21):
Has paused its relationship with Yex

Jeff Jarvis (00:30:24):
Yeah. Oops.

Leo Laporte (00:30:27):
Yex is the, is the Russian Google basically? 

Jeff Jarvis (00:30:31):
Well there was, there was a story. I, I, I got into a Twitter tussle about it, but was it the New York times? The Washington post a story? I don't, I don't think we did it last week where the quality of search results on a certain number of test things that I think was New York times did. It was far, far, far better on Google than both duck doco and Bing.

Leo Laporte (00:30:52):

Jeff Jarvis (00:30:53):
They had a lot of disinformation sites in there.

Leo Laporte (00:30:56):
I think Google leaps into action don't they, when they, when something like this happens and they have the staff to to do it,

Jeff Jarvis (00:31:02):
They also talk about it. I remember after 2016, they called a bunch of people, me included with their search quality people just saying kinda like, what do we do? What do, what do you think we ought do here? Not that they were gonna listen necessarily, but they wanted to gain opinions from elsewhere and they, and they, and they're smart. And they think it through

Ant Pruitt (00:31:18):
That IST more of a resource advantage. You look at what Google, who has from all of their staff that they can pull in and can pay fairly well versus something like this YX or duck, duck go. That's usually just a bit of community volunteers. That's doing that amongst other, amongst other things.

Jeff Jarvis (00:31:37):
Yeah. But I think an it's interesting to me that YX being Russian. If duck, duck go was using a run source, that's an issue sourcing, sourcing. So it's yes, you're right. It's it's it's it's how much do you write things to try to get rid of bad stuff? Yeah. That's, that's, that's very intensive in, in resource, but whom you choose to use as sources, I'm about to fund full disclosure money from Facebook, but none of it comes to me, but it comes to the school. Yeah. A project with Wikipedia. We haven't talked about it yet, but, but Wikipedia has tremendous discussion and thus data on the credibility of sourcing. So sourcing alone I think doesn't require the kind of right. The UI to get rid of the bad stuff, but it does say whom do you, who, who should we trust to serve to our users that doesn't require,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:32:31):
Oh, it's not, it's not just a question of trust. I mean, these are financial relationships. So duck, duck go can contract with, you know, certain other companies to bring in search results. Yep. And, you know, Yandex may be great at a large number of searches and we don't necessarily know how they use it. I mean, it's theoretically possible that you could say any search involving math or physics, you know, a open it up to the following, you know, options. Or you could shut that down in case of I'm just theorizing here. But the point is like, you, can't not, all of your sources are gonna be golden. You know, even as a reporter, I talk to people and I'm like, after I talk to them, I'm like, you know what? I don't think you're actually, that's smart about this topic. This doesn't jive with anything else. So I'm gonna pull you out of this story. And I, I don't think it's crazy to think that they'll have these relationships and have to evaluate them when sudden index

Jeff Jarvis (00:33:32):
Was seen as an alternative source, you know, 20, 15 years ago. But now I, I just sued for Ukraine on Yex third site RT looks like about the sixth site is toss. And what do you, expect's

Stacey Higginbotham (00:33:45):
Russian. That's why they pulled that. Yeah. That's why they pulled their search results.

Jeff Jarvis (00:33:51):
But what was being served up over the last, you know, since 2014 and the invasion of crime area and you were

Leo Laporte (00:33:59):
It's non, they used it for non-New. So they were aware of this obvious, this

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:03):
Lemme look up the geography of Eastern Europe, you know?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:08):
No, no, I, and, and I, but they, they may not just use the index. They may consolidate those results with Bing and

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:16):
Well, big trouble

Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:17):
Search engines. I can't think of. Yeah, well, yes.

Leo Laporte (00:34:20):
A lot of, of tech companies, as we've mentioned before in Ukraine, it was a big tech area. A lot of companies hired tech staff in Ukraine. And there are of course Ukrainian companies. One of our sponsored Grammarly is Ukrainian company. Oh yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that they have awesome headquarters in the us, but it was founded by two Ukraines and Ukrainians and still has a lot of technical staff there. I, I love Luminar. We talked about that. I was say SKYM SKYM is a Ukrainian company. In fact, if you go to that big banner at the top in support of Ukraine Wix, I didn't know this Wix, which is an Israeli company. Of course, the website building company had a thousand Ukrainian employees. They've been they, they mobilized more sales staff cuz you saw ADSS everywhere.

Leo Laporte (00:35:09):
Yeah. Actually mostly developers. We're able to about half of 'em map, but of course, as you know, Ukraine has said no one military age, which goes all the way up 60, right. Could yeah, could could leave the country, but they were able to get about 500 of, of their employees and their families out w had about 30 of its Lithuania employees volunteered to drive 600 miles to the border of Poland to collect people. They, they picked up workers, set them up for the night to rest before the trip to crackow provided them with food and blankets and stuff. Of the 500 employees who remain in Ukraine 195 are in areas considered to be dangerous according to Wix. So they're still trying to get people out. Microsoft has a big tech team in Ukraine. The video doorbell company ring has a bunch of developers in Ukraine, UBI, soft snap all doing what they can to protect workers in, in Ukraine. Tampa based software outsourcing company jet bridge said it has been struggling with a jet logistic of getting it's 24 developers out of 

Jeff Jarvis (00:36:22):

Leo Laporte (00:36:23):
Cave. Keve ke you gotta put the U in. There has also, this is interesting. Started paying employees in Bellus in Bitcoin. So this is Ukraine's of birthplace. That's not gonna go well, I know. No. You remember what was it face, face replace that face face replace software face redo. Anyway, that was in Ukraine cere, which is a company snap bought to help with the augmented reality stuff. 300 team members in Ukraine snap with not say how many are still there, exciting safety concerns. They halted ads running in Russia, bellow Russ and Ukraine, and stop sales to all Russian entities. Oof has provided Ukrainian team members additional funds to help cover the costs of travel and relocations. I guess you're probably lucky if you worked for a us tech company or a Western tech company in Ukraine, Microsoft, which has employees in Ukraine and Russia says it's monitoring the situation and focused on supporting its workers in the region. It it's, we're, it's such this that's the other thing that's different is how global society is these days. And and so you know, this has really felt everywhere. It's just a really interesting story. I'm gonna move on unless there's any other, I mean, I have many, many, many more

Jeff Jarvis (00:37:50):
Can I just mention one thing? Sure. I'd like to put in a plug for the Kiev Kiev So there was a, a site called of post where it was bought by an oligarch of sorts, a small mini oligarch and he shut it down and the entire staff left and started key of independent and it is phenomenal, phenomenal, brave journalism, including an, an alum from my school ego cross of class of two, the thousand nine is reporting there bravely I go in every morning now. And just that, that newsfeed on the left is an unbelievable collection of the journalism that they've done and, and curated as well. They're brave, they're, they're in the midst of this they're reporting from around the country. You can donate to them. I have through Patreon or whatever's the other one.

Jeff Jarvis (00:38:48):
They have GoFundMe and they're doing phenomenal work. And so if you want to know what's going in Kiev and in Ukraine I recommend them highly there's other things too, there's press. And, and by the way, the other thing that, that I wanna mention real quickly is the wonder of Google translate. So the day of the invasion, I went to Helsinki. So the major newspaper in Finland which thank bless them is open, not pay walled and phenomenal coverage, just like they went to four historians to get perspectives. Something we don't do in American journalism and Google translate is, is amazing with one of the most complicated languages on earth. And it really gives you another perspective of what's happening to go around from Estonia to Finland, to Hungary. Well, hungry, not so good but elsewhere. So, so changing your news diet around the whole of the webinar time like this. But getting from the source, I think is so important.

Leo Laporte (00:39:52):
Just fascinating. How, how technology changes a, all of this? Oh, oh, dramatically in a way. I, I don't feel like we've seen this before. It's just and it's also a little disconcerting cuz you go to a place like the Keve independent and, and they have, you know, fun things to do this weekend. Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:40:13):
It's like

Leo Laporte (00:40:14):

Jeff Jarvis (00:40:16):
They kind, I didn't get rid of that part of the page. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:40:18):
Yeah. But, but, but I think that's, what's so weird about, and what's so kind of disorienting about only

Jeff Jarvis (00:40:23):
A week ago. That's what they cared about. Yeah. Only

Leo Laporte (00:40:26):
A week ago. Yeah. All right. Let's take a little break. We have lots more to talk about. It's great to have Stacy back at PRUTZ in the studio. We actually tried to get people to come back to work. You know, the mask mandates are over in our area and we had a pizza party and no one showed

Ant Pruitt (00:40:43):
Up. Miss Lisa, there

Leo Laporte (00:40:44):
Was like, you know, it was like, there's all these pizzas in the other room cuz no one,

Ant Pruitt (00:40:48):
No, there's not.

Leo Laporte (00:40:49):
Oh, they're gone. Oh that was before Ant got here. It's like stay home.

Jeff Jarvis (00:40:54):
I've got pizza

Leo Laporte (00:40:55):
For dinner

Ant Pruitt (00:40:55):
Tonight. No pizzas.

Leo Laporte (00:41:00):
Okay. Good to know. Is

Jeff Jarvis (00:41:00):
There is the coffee machine there still at

Ant Pruitt (00:41:03):
No comment on the coffee either.

Leo Laporte (00:41:05):
And to his credit is one of the, one of the guys who's continually kind of come in, you do floss every Wednesday morning and you just you've been a presence around here, which is nice. I always like seeing your face likewise. And knowing that, you know, life goes on a little bit, but you know, in, in two weeks this will be the, the second anniversary of when we shut the whole place down.

Ant Pruitt (00:41:22):
It was a little weird though, because I came in today and didn't realized, oh, I'm going to be, be on TWiG in studio. Oh crap. I forgot my laptop. So I go back home,

Leo Laporte (00:41:33):
You can always borrow one of my, oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:34):
I thought you'd forgotten your t-shirt

Jeff Jarvis (00:41:36):
Or your pants.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:38):
Normally you're not quite so dressed

Jeff Jarvis (00:41:39):
Up. Well, I brought my shirt. I remember to bring this shirt, you know, but you look great. Thank you. Thank you,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:46):
Jeff and I are both wearing like black sweatshirt shirts. So

Jeff Jarvis (00:41:49):

Leo Laporte (00:41:49):
The best way to go. I hope I'm not telling anything outta school, but yesterday before Mack break weekly the camera Andy's camera was on and he got up and he, I think he was, I don't know, unless he's taken up golf lately. I think he's wearing jams.

Jeff Jarvis (00:42:04):
He was wearing a Mor a normal shirt, But

Leo Laporte (00:42:08):
You know, the, the very bright, big plaid, I don't know. Maybe, maybe that's what he wears. That's how he rolls that how he, maybe it is. Yeah. Life has changed. It's changing so fast. It's very it's very interesting and the way that's kind of what we cover. And so, yep. This is, this is our beat. 

Jeff Jarvis (00:42:27):
I want video chat room. I want video of those

Leo Laporte (00:42:29):
It's somewhere. You know, probably is on the TWI plus feed in our Google.

Jeff Jarvis (00:42:34):
That's that's definitely a premium. I love this episode of this week

Leo Laporte (00:42:39):
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Speaker 8 (00:45:45):

Leo Laporte (00:45:48):
It's a, it's a music. I know a lot of people

Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:52):
Home of all of the

Leo Laporte (00:45:53):
Hotness music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So oh, and epic of course is a gaming company. So it's kind of unclear. Epic says they wanna build a creator marketplace ecosystem based on fair and open platforms. Band comp will still run its stand own store and community co-founder ether. Ethan diamond will continue to lead the operations. We don't know how much money changed hands nor when the merger or acquisition will happen or be finalized. It's very interesting. Epic has been kind of buying up some interesting stuff. Epic is, is of course the home of Fortnite. They made a lot of money on Fortnite, Tim Sweeney, their founder, I think made 7 billion in 2020 on Fortnite alone. Does this make sense for them? Well, it's clearly they're trying to do something new. They, I think one of the things they learned with Fortnite is there's a, a brisk economy has nothing to do with buying the game. The game was free, but all of the extra stuff in the, in the creative stuff. No, I get it. Okay. So they have bought art station, they bought cubic motion, they bought sketch fab. So they're buying these kind of tools for creators. Epic does, I think it's, yeah, it's interesting.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:14):
I think it's a smart idea because I think a lot of the web has been, we, we see this kind of, I don't even know if it's a Seesaw, huge amounts of money are made on consumption. So we, we start with consumption models, we start consuming things and then people get comfortable with that and start building things and creating things around whatever they have been consuming. Think about it, just like fanfic right. Yep. This is, this is the equivalent for other types of fanfic. So creating little videos or tos or songs for your, around your favorite older characters. I mean,

Ant Pruitt (00:47:50):
They're not worried about they go on another route.

Leo Laporte (00:47:54):
Well, and, and, you know, historically when companies you know, when the railroads thought they were in the railroad business, they had trouble, they didn't understand they were in the transportation TPO, right. That's the old, the old story. So I think it gets sensible for a tech company. A, you know, in this case, a gaming company say, well, what really is our business? Is it making games or is it providing a marketplace for creators? And there are a lot of, lot of people say, oh, that's it, I'm outta here. I don't, I'm not, I'm a band camp user, but I notice in the comments on this story, somebody pointing out in pap past when epic has purchased other companies they've usually cut the commission in half or more. Oh boy, epic. Remember is the company that sued apple over their 30% taken the app store. So they have to walk the walk as well as, you know, talking the talk. So it could be very good for band camp or at least creators on band could be a that could be a band camp, says they've paid a billion more than a billion dollars to artists

Leo Laporte (00:48:58):
So far. That's very interesting. I think

Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:00):
It, it's also kind of a gen Z strategy. I don't know if it's because they're young or because they've grown up digitally or they don't have real jobs. Like, but I mean, my daughter and her friends, they are, they are way more creative or more interested in creating things and sharing them digitally in ways that, again, they're young. So maybe it hasn't been beaten out of them yet, but I do think it's a very interesting gen Z play as it were

Ant Pruitt (00:49:29):
My, I see the same thing with the, the kids in my home. They're all about wanting to create this or that, you know, the boy bought a, that gum sewing machine too. Really? Yeah. I mean, that's awesome.

Leo Laporte (00:49:42):

Ant Pruitt (00:49:42):
Doing that's right. Sew stuff, and that's up his own little design and then little weirdo, my little niece, that's what I call her. She's been getting into graphic design and, and, and making just little digital art that stuff's. So it it's, it it's clearly de generational thing.

Leo Laporte (00:49:58):
Kids. I mean, humans are normally naturally creative, but I think it's, if you don't beat it out of them at an early age, you're at a risk that they're gonna be artists their whole life, you know, which is

Ant Pruitt (00:50:08):
Great. He talks about watching videos of some of our, of his friends back in, in Carolina. And even though they're just out with us, the iPhone smartphone or whatever, and just making videos of random stuff and turning it into stories just cuz they can that's so

Leo Laporte (00:50:25):
Cool. That's how Anna Del it. She was cutting out stuff out of Vogue magazine. And actually maybe that's not the best exam. I, I couldn't resist. Hey, it can go a lot of different ways, a lot of different ways. There's a lot of creativity in being a con artist. It's not easy. I can't stop watching that show. I'm down a last episode.

Ant Pruitt (00:50:48):
I've been hearing good stuff on

Leo Laporte (00:50:49):
It's it's fun. You know, it's just fun. I don't, you know, I don't have much to say about it except it's fun. Stacy actually wrote an interesting piece. I thought this is kind of along the same lines of rethinking what it is, your businesses and how you make money. And traditionally in hardware, businesses, they think, well, we send you sell you the hardware and that's how we make money. We, we mark it up and we make money that way. Apples kind of pointed the way to you know, they've practically saturated the market for iPhones. And so they decided to stop counting how many iPhones they sell and still count said, count how much revenue they make per customer

Ant Pruitt (00:51:24):
Services. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:51:25):
With services per P. And, and so, and, and same thing for Microsoft, you know, mic Microsoft decided they didn't wanna sell windows in the office anymore. They, they wanted, you know, sell you a subscription. So Stacy, I thought this was very interesting, said, you know, the same thing may happen with hardware subscription.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:45):
It is happening with hardware, hardware, and they what's happening is they're maturing their model from being like, you will pay a huge upfront price for the device for a smart device and then an ongoing subscription. And they're actually just starting to think about wrapping everything into a subscription. Probably the most sophisticated of this would be something like the loop band, which is you can't by banded individually. You just pay 30 bucks a month for

Ant Pruitt (00:52:11):

Leo Laporte (00:52:12):
You get, you get the band, but

Ant Pruitt (00:52:14):
You have to pay for the service and all the metrics and stuff you did.

Leo Laporte (00:52:17):
You like whoop. I think I did. Did

Ant Pruitt (00:52:19):
You? Yeah, I did. Yeah. I did not. I lost my battery. Why didn't you?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:24):
I did not because okay. My, my whoop edit still stands or we, you still stand. I'm just not hardcore enough for whoop.

Leo Laporte (00:52:33):
I'm wondering hardcore. He's pretty hardcore.

Ant Pruitt (00:52:35):
Exactly. It, it gave me everything I needed to know.

Leo Laporte (00:52:38):
What is it? What is it an exercise band?

Ant Pruitt (00:52:41):
Well, it basically was just tracks your activity in the day. And I think they measured as strain. And what I found found was the more that I did just even if it was just moving gear around the studio or whatever, that, that, that was part of the activity. Not just walking, not just going to the gym, you know, it, they took into effect a little bit of everything. And the more that I stayed on top of it, I slept better. Yeah. And, and felt. And when I noticed that little bar was down in the yellow or, or red 30

Leo Laporte (00:53:15):
Bucks is a lot though

Ant Pruitt (00:53:16):
It was an expensive service for

Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:17):
A month.

Ant Pruitt (00:53:18):
It was an expensive service. So

Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:20):
It's, it doesn't measure steps, cuz steps are not hardcore. Right. It measures

Leo Laporte (00:53:25):

Ant Pruitt (00:53:26):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:26):
Rate, It measures heart rate variability. And the, the thesis is so they measure, they take what Ant was talking about with strain and they combine that with recovery. And the idea is they do, depending on how well you sleep, you will get something saying, Hey, you should go to this level of strain today. Yes. Because you've had the, so it's, it's those two forces counterbalancing. And it's all based on your heart rate variability. Yeah. Which is a research back biometric or bio indicator. Rather

Ant Pruitt (00:54:00):
Everybody does that. Now though, my aura ring does that. Right. My apple watch does that. My Samsung, much to everybody they

Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:05):
Said said, it'll do it. Yeah. But that whoop was one of the first companies that did it. And they actually, they, they really do. I will say when I tracked my stuff using whoop, it did really match with what I felt in my body.

Ant Pruitt (00:54:19):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:20):
In a way that others do not. Yeah. That's

Ant Pruitt (00:54:23):
For instance, the aura ring is I think not accurate. I still up wearing it because it didn't match my experience. If I woke up feeling a little bit groggy and I could check the whoop analytics, it would it basically tell you, yeah, you're gonna feel like crap today. And it was right. Yeah. I loved it. And, and again, I like how it just sort of gave me tips to say, Hey, you need to step up your, your strain a little bit more by, you know, 20% today. And you should feel better with with the next day and get better sleep tonight and so forth. And it, it was spot on every single you

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:55):
Speak in the past tense here, Ant. So you literally, you lost your battery and then you,

Ant Pruitt (00:54:59):
I lost the battery and I quit paying for the service cuz this is expensive. And I got a lot of other bills. So yeah, 30 bucks

Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:07):
30. I mean, it looks like if you're an athlete or you wanna, if you're really have a lot of spare income and you really wanna like maximize your productivity in terms of working out, this is a really good thing to have, but that doesn't describe a lot of people.

Ant Pruitt (00:55:23):
No, it's not the most. And I think I said that, I think I said it. It's not necessarily for the weekend warrior. This is for the, the win two Dows of all about Android. That's out there. Just crushing it with high intensity workouts on a regular basis. And she's wanting to know all right, what a, what do I need to do to keep this level of fitness? Hmm. Probably no good for a man over 60. Maybe.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:49):
Actually it

Ant Pruitt (00:55:49):
Would be really maybe not this good.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:51):
Excuse good.

Ant Pruitt (00:55:53):
Maybe this.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:54):
No, I mean it, I really, because they had a thing called strain coach, which I thought was really helpful cuz I, I work out when I work out, I used to just go super hard, like a

Ant Pruitt (00:56:04):
Crazy person, but you don't know, you need the strain coach to tell you

Stacey Higginbotham (00:56:08):
Exactly. Cuz then I'd get sick. Like I'd be like the next day I'd be like totally wiped. And I was like, clearly I suck it. Figuring out how to work out. And it was very good for being like calm the heck down Stacy. And I'd be like, oh thank you.

Leo Laporte (00:56:23):
It's funny. That's helpful. I I have no idea how I feel or what I should do or anything. So it would be nice if somebody told me you should not do anything today or you should do a lot. So it's expensive. Yeah. 

Stacey Higginbotham (00:56:40):
Well you get the first month free, so they'll send of thing and you can try it out and see if you like it. I mean, it might be great.

Leo Laporte (00:56:46):
Does it ever tell you like this would be a good time to take a nap?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:56:50):
No it does actually does it, It doesn't say it's a good time. It would tell you like when you're in the red it's like, Hey today you chill.

Leo Laporte (00:56:58):

Ant Pruitt (00:56:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I was saying. The whole color coating thing with the, the red and is usually bad times to a, a bad sign that you need to slow down just a little bit and recuperate.

Leo Laporte (00:57:10):
One thing I should you

Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:11):
Travel a lot.

Leo Laporte (00:57:11):
It's good. That like whoop all of these things you still pay for the hardware, right? It's not like they

Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:19):

Leo Laporte (00:57:19):
They don't say the whoop band. So really it's double dipping. It's they're is charging for the har like the aura ring, same thing. It used to be just buy the ring. Now you gotta buy the $5 a month subscription to get the most value out of it. And I see that more and more we see with, we got those remarkable fed cover that changes temperature and keeps you cool and then warm and, and, and you can just buy it. It's expensive. You can get for an additional monthly fee, the super duper coach, my Peloton bike doesn't even work.

Jeff Jarvis (00:57:50):
Help you put it all the right way. Leo.

Leo Laporte (00:57:53):
Oh, you heard help you put it all the right way. Yeah. It's on the right way now.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:57):
So I think, I think the point the transition that's gonna happen is, and what hoop is good at, cuz they, they actually tell you look, 30 bucks a month. It's

Leo Laporte (00:58:06):
Have to

Stacey Higginbotham (00:58:07):
It for six months. It's hold on. You don't buy the band front. So it's, it's 30 bucks a month for however long you have it. As long as you have it for six months. Okay. Peloton CEO talked to the New York times and he was saying that maybe we do like a cheaper, upfront price in a slightly higher monthly price. So instead of spending $2,000 on the bike and then $39 a month for the subscription, you might be buy the bike for $500, which puts its a phone line with like sounds just likes. I mean, yeah, it is a lot like your phone, but the idea is you're getting continual value on a long enough basis because it's smart. And I think this is good because like this is an evolution of connected products. And if you build a connected product, it needs to have value to the user every day, right? So enough that they would be willing to pay for it. And I think if you don't charge them the full upfront price and it's more comparable with normal dumb products, then I think people won't feel as ripped when they, they look at, they try to evaluate these deals. Can

Jeff Jarvis (00:59:09):
I ask you a question, Stacy you so we saw with a remarkable, right? That they said, oh this is included. And then, then suddenly later they add a subscription. How much are you seeing that? Where when you buy it, you don't know what the deal is. And the deal changes.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:25):
That's pretty common because the company, I, I think it will become less common going forward because companies now are more sophisticated about saying, oh crap, I've gotta keep a cloud connection. Right. Or the other thing is, oh crap, I can't sell enough of these. And based this hardware Ponzi scheme where you know, there's enough new users in that you can pay the funds to keep the other ones on racial. Right? So we're, we're gonna keep seeing that. The other thing that's influencing, this is no matter how good you get about predicting and building in your cloud costs. Vcs are not funding companies. If they don't have recurring revenue,

Leo Laporte (01:00:04):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:04):
They look at this and they're like,

Leo Laporte (01:00:05):
That's where the money comes from. Whoa. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:08):
Let's, let's take this SAS model to hardware. We love this stuff. It's it's money and margin. So that's the two trends driving it. One, it used to be required and people weren't sophisticated enough to price it in early on. And now it's VCs are like, don't you leave

Leo Laporte (01:00:24):
That? I think of my my owl car camera, right? Where they didn't charge a monthly fee. They had three LTE built in and all this stuff. And they went outta business because yeah, that

Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:37):
Was dumb. They had, their cloud costs were high. Cuz they had video. They had LTE, what were they thinking?

Leo Laporte (01:00:43):
They didn't obviously do a business plan because I mean, it was expensive up front, but that nowhere near covered, I've obviously nowhere near cover their costs. They ended up getting sold in the, the new companies back. But they're charging a monthly fee as they should.

Ant Pruitt (01:00:57):
I was thinking this would be something applicable to like this studio life of things. As far as like cameras and the,

Leo Laporte (01:01:04):
Should we just charge a monthly fee for

Ant Pruitt (01:01:06):
Things like that, but,

Leo Laporte (01:01:07):
Well that's I guess what club Twitter is in a way.

Ant Pruitt (01:01:09):
Yeah. But at the same time, maybe studios are starting to go away because people are doing more things mobiles or

Leo Laporte (01:01:16):
Yeah. You don't really need it anymore, you know? Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:01:18):
Well they're talking about doing office subscriptions. So this is a really interesting thing where Leo say you sign up 10 virtual people to be host, right? Yeah. And you, you, instead of sending us gear that y'all picked out and mailed to us, instead you pay some company $10 a month to keep us updated with the latest ring lights and microphone. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:01:37):
That's a good idea.

Ant Pruitt (01:01:38):
Think I know. Is it company?

Leo Laporte (01:01:41):
I have,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:01:42):
I mean, think about, I mean, so those are

Leo Laporte (01:01:44):
Kind of stuff I'm just terrible at this stuff. I'm just want do the content. Yeah. I'm the guy who sold the owl camera for 3 99 said no it'll work. He'll figure it out. I dunno, man. I did something on the back of an envelope. It looked right. Yeah. It would be more than 10 bucks a month to keep you in ring lights. I can tell you that right now. Me

Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:09):
Am I like this evil ring? Like destroy?

Leo Laporte (01:02:11):
No, no. I'm just saying, you know it's 10 bucks a month. That's not, that's not gonna buy anything. No, that does. We're gonna have to charge 50.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:17):
No, the point is well, okay. Yeah. I did not plan out a solid studio

Leo Laporte (01:02:23):
At home. Where's your business playing? I don't think fit. I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:27):
Mean look at my lighting. Do you think I know about ring lights? No.

Leo Laporte (01:02:31):
So get the whoop. Don't get the Fitbit ionic. They're all being recalled. Oh no. For causing burn injuries. Apparently the battery gets really hot. I thought you were supposed to do the burn. Do the burn, feel the burn, feel the burn. You said feel the burn. They didn't mean on your wrist. Oh no.

Jeff Jarvis (01:02:48):
I'm feeling

Leo Laporte (01:02:48):
The burn, but you know good on Google because they're recalling 1.7 million watches giving every owner of full refund and 40% off another Fitbit.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:02):
So if Kevin and I were looking for old Fitbit, Ionics still on Amazon for some yeah. Recall arbitrage.

Leo Laporte (01:03:09):
A good deal. Good. A good deal. Pirate. Did anybody, any of you own the iconic? It was an nice looking watch

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:19):
I not like it.

Leo Laporte (01:03:20):
Oh, okay. I never got into the Fitbit life or ecosystem I should say. Right one. Well, if you have one, one, how about the

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:26):
Fitbit ecosystem? Oh my Fitbit's gone.

Leo Laporte (01:03:29):
Yeah. Fitbit received 174 reports of the battery over heating worldwide 78 reports of burn injuries in the us alone. Two reports of third degree burns. Mm four reports of second degree burns. That's serious. That's hot. Good. That's a burn. Alright. Wow. Well

Jeff Jarvis (01:03:46):
You think you would've taken it off before that? You're not a frog.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:49):
I think they must have been sleeping.

Leo Laporte (01:03:51):
Maybe that's that's the

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:52):

Leo Laporte (01:03:52):
Thing I can think of and they woke up suddenly. Oh, that's the point?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:56):
Geez. I would suck

Leo Laporte (01:03:59):
Grief. Did you anybody sign up for truth? Social? Was anybody able to get in? It's not on

Jeff Jarvis (01:04:08):
If I

Leo Laporte (01:04:08):
Tried, it's not on the web. It's not a web service. It's just the app. Right? It's an app. It's an iOS app. So there's still a no, for me it was the number one app on apple briefly. It's now falling number 50 Evan in the app store, just behind Tinder and planet fitness workouts. I don't know if that means anything. That's still pretty impressive. That's 57 still pretty good. This is the problem is that nobody's been able to get in. Apparently not even the president, the former president, Trump has not yet posted on truth social. He doesn't know how to use it yet. Hasn't encompassed. And, and in fact, you know, this would be an opportune moment for him to get on there during the Ukraine thing. Instead he defend his

Jeff Jarvis (01:04:49):
Buddy buddy

Leo Laporte (01:04:50):
Putin. Yeah. Instead he's going to radio on TV or CPAC. And part of the problem is that I think there must be a technical issue issue. They did, this is the other issue is they have a spec. So they're raising a lot of money in this spec. I can't remember the amount, but it was a huge amount of money. It's yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:05:17):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:18):
Did this fact actually already go through because there's a lot of skepticism right now about those. So a lot of the planned ones are probably not gonna happen.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:27):
And this sounds pretty dicey to begin with.

Leo Laporte (01:05:30):
Yeah, well, yeah. I mean a lot of people signed up. Apparently I still are in the wait in QAN in fact the Q hasn't moved in a week. Oh wow. So I don't, I don't,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:41):
I don't. Oh, it's like people waiting for their helium routers.

Leo Laporte (01:05:45):
Yeah. I don't know what I say. I don't wanna say it's a grift, but the truth, social spec is valued at three and a half billion dollars, which

Jeff Jarvis (01:05:53):
Is just ridiculous.

Leo Laporte (01:05:55):
Yeah. I mean

Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:56):

Leo Laporte (01:05:56):
Nine, even if it were a massive success, I don't think, I mean, Twitter can barely make it a penny. So 

Jeff Jarvis (01:06:06):
And the money doesn't go to the company. It goes somewhere else.

Leo Laporte (01:06:09):
I wonder where I wonder where Devon Nunes, right? That's who's running it. So is

Ant Pruitt (01:06:17):
It $5 a, a month

Leo Laporte (01:06:17):
Or? Well that apparently some somebody corrected me, they went to snows cuz we were saying as, as were many news outlets, that's where I got it. That it was $5 a week a week, but apparently it's not. Okay. But on the end we don't really know since nobody is actually is actually only get in. Yeah. Yeah. So, but apparently it's free at least right now it's free. So just date on that if anybody gets in, let us know, I'd love to, you know, just find out more about it. I put this in here for you Stacy. The first smart door lock to use Apple's home key. The AARA smart door lock a 100 Zig B. Unfortunately we

Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:56):
Did talk about it on the show. Not so

Leo Laporte (01:06:58):
Not a available

Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:59):

Leo Laporte (01:06:59):
The us. Why not?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:02):
Aqua. They started, I think they're not a us based.

Leo Laporte (01:07:05):
It must be Turkish. That sounds like a Turkish name. Oh I it's it'll be sold

Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:11):

Leo Laporte (01:07:12):
Anyway. Oh, Italian. They

Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:12):
Sold in Asia first,

Leo Laporte (01:07:14):
Malaysia and Singapore and then Russia and more Southeast Asia in the coming months. No mention of European or north American launches or if ever

Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:23):
They do say it will be available worldwide. They just don't say when

Leo Laporte (01:07:29):
Home key is really a cool idea. Right? It's is it Bluetooth? Yeah, I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:34):
Know it's it's NFC actually. Okay. and they store the information on your wallet your a, they store your house, key information on

Leo Laporte (01:07:43):
Apple wallet,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:44):
Apple, apple wallet. Thank you. Yeah. And so you can just open your door when your phone's near it, which is nice.

Leo Laporte (01:07:50):
Nice. I think It requires a zigb 3.0 a car, a hub to function about $365. If you could buy it in the us, which you can't. And there is some speculation in this article on apple insider that is really intended for commercial. I was gonna ask is just the stuff that hotels are using. Cause

Ant Pruitt (01:08:12):
I thought it was on NFC in the hotels, right?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:15):
It is based. Yes, it is. Well, cuz Bluetooth really isn't as secure as like NFC. Right. And I, I don't know. So Carkey uses NFC and UWB, but the locks for home kit don't use UWB yet. Cuz we're not seeing those radios in a, a lot of products yet.

Leo Laporte (01:08:36):
This is quite a lock they have on this door. It has one,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:40):
It is a hell of a

Leo Laporte (01:08:41):
Lock four deadbolts. So this must be in use in Russia. It's

Jeff Jarvis (01:08:45):
Like a Manhattan apartment

Leo Laporte (01:08:46):
For the, maybe that's it I'd love. I'd love it if it unbolt in sequence. So it goes Trump

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:57):
Dramatic. So I just wanted to update AARA is based in Shenzen.

Leo Laporte (01:09:01):
Oh, they Chinese new and New York

Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:03):
They're Chinese and okay. Yeah. So they were, they were created like in 2016 and their name is Latin, which is where I got the Italian from. Sorry. Okay. I was like, just don't ask where my brain is.

Leo Laporte (01:09:15):
So a lot of talk and I'm sure you talk about this with Kevin about the deaths of the 3g networks on February 22nd, T-Mobile pulled their down Verizon at the end of the year. It's affecting a lot of things. Home security systems. A lot of them are 3g.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:30):
If it's affecting you,

Leo Laporte (01:09:31):
You need to,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:32):
You probably didn't pay attention to the like 8 million emails from the company who's providing your service. That is all I like. I've talked to these companies.

Leo Laporte (01:09:41):
We warned you over and over

Ant Pruitt (01:09:44):
Update your hardware

Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:47):
There. Like people, I know that the companies that I was talking to, they were sending out emails. I mean, granted there's probably some random stuff out there that yes just died and that's unfortunate. But for most reputable companies, like, especially on the alarm side.

Leo Laporte (01:10:00):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:02):
They've been emailing people for like 18 months, right?

Leo Laporte (01:10:06):
Yeah. But who reads their email? Not me. Well, yeah, we know you don't. I don't get ready. What

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:17):
About the app notifications?

Leo Laporte (01:10:20):
Well what, what about them? You get those. Oh, you get those.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:23):
You you'll well, you'll get those. They they've used app notifications. I

Leo Laporte (01:10:26):
Got one letter from at and T one saying your phone's not gonna work in a couple of weeks. So what do you wanna do about it? That's it one letter?

Jeff Jarvis (01:10:36):

Leo Laporte (01:10:37):
Phone? Interesting. Well, it's a phone I haven't used.

Jeff Jarvis (01:10:40):
I know that. I'm curious. Which

Leo Laporte (01:10:41):
Ones? Oh, I don't know. I mean, they, they said that whatever the phone with the number ending in 9, 1 54 is not gonna work anymore. Right.

Jeff Jarvis (01:10:48):
Well did you still wait, wait, wait, were you still paying at and T why would they be?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:54):
Why are you giving me? Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:10:56):
I don't know.

Jeff Jarvis (01:10:58):

Leo Laporte (01:10:58):
I don't know. I got okay. Do

Ant Pruitt (01:11:01):
You know how many phones this dude has?

Jeff Jarvis (01:11:03):
Really? I been, how many, how many does he have? 10 year old flip phone service still paying for. So what happens like AOL?

Leo Laporte (01:11:10):
I get rid of the phone and I, I have the SIM and I think, well someday I'll put this in another phone.

Jeff Jarvis (01:11:17):
Are you so

Speaker 9 (01:11:18):
Bad? Oh no. Oh no.

Jeff Jarvis (01:11:20):

Leo Laporte (01:11:20):
You know it's but the problem is okay. I, I have Verizon, it's only 20 T-Mobile I have at and T fine. And the problem in GoogleFi and mint, mobile and ting. But the problem is there's a few more, I don't sprint. I can't remember. Anyway, the problem is there's different people on all of them.

Jeff Jarvis (01:11:43):
You're probably still paying MCI. If

Leo Laporte (01:11:44):
You know me, I'm paying for your cell phone is how it works. So I have people all over on this at T plan and I don't know who they are. No,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:11:55):
You, you sent me the Samsung phone.

Leo Laporte (01:11:57):
Oh, Hey, I forgot you actually got it. Did you get my, is

Stacey Higginbotham (01:12:00):
There a SIM card

Leo Laporte (01:12:01):
In here? No, I took it out. Yeah. I forgot to ask you. Not only did that. I threw in a little bonus.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:12:09):
Yeah. I, where did I put it? I was like, I opened it

Leo Laporte (01:12:12):
Up. She's so happy to that. She got it. Oh boy. Yeah, exactly. Drew to the side, sent her the galaxy flipped three, cuz she was, and then I thought, you know, I've got like 18 book readers and I had just

Stacey Higginbotham (01:12:25):
Bought the Cobo reader.

Leo Laporte (01:12:27):
I just bought that Cobo. I just bought the Cobo. Cuz that one, you like that one. Oh, works at the library card. Nice. So you can borrow function in the library's library. Very, very

Jeff Jarvis (01:12:37):

Leo Laporte (01:12:37):
Yes. So that's why I thought, oh, I'll send this. I didn't send a Kindle to you. I cuz I I could have, but I thought, you know what? I bet you'd like this Cobo. That's cool. So cuz you can, you can tie it to your library card account and then borrow books, which is really cool. Is

Jeff Jarvis (01:12:50):
That one of the Cobos where you can write stuff?

Leo Laporte (01:12:52):
It is. And it unfortunately is the one that came out. Just I bought it like a week before they announced this new feature. Whoops. But it's nice. It's big. Right? Stacy. It's not, it's not all it is big. Yeah. It's nice.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:13:04):

Leo Laporte (01:13:05):
You haven't plugged it in obviously, but you could, if you

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:07):
Car charge it.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:13:09):
So I, well, okay. I, it came while I was outta town, so I didn't actually get the package until Monday afternoon.

Leo Laporte (01:13:17):
I, and I'm not believe me. That was just sitting on a shelf somewhere. I just thought, well, I got A's I got a box going out. Let's throw some other crap in there somewhere. You're lucky. Didn't get some TWI stickers in a Leo bobblehead.

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:29):
You should have gotten some what was the, what was the bread we were making with the machine? Oh

Leo Laporte (01:13:33):
Yeah. You could have got some wood roady roadies in there.

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:36):
Roady. Whatever happened to that machine by the way,

Leo Laporte (01:13:39):
Still be a former employee. Kept it, I believe. Was it? Or do you have it? No. Was it miss Megan? No, I think Colleen has it. Did she ever bring it back, John? No. No. So she probably has a phone too. So look, look at the eBooks. You can get from the Rakuten co Cobo like this one from Ashley Zaki let's get naughty. It

Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:05):
Might no.

Leo Laporte (01:14:06):
Yeah. I pulled this side up and I'm like, oh crap, get this all. If they do a lot of romances. But if you look at the I don't know which one you've got, even it's relatively recent. I bought it last year. Cuz I thought I should check out this and it's and I did sign up for library card and put books on it, which is really cool. So I thought you might enjoy it for that reason, but is

Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:26):
That cool? I read,

Jeff Jarvis (01:14:27):
I read it to one pad. Is that from what pad?

Leo Laporte (01:14:30):
What pad?

Jeff Jarvis (01:14:31):
What's APA. W a T T P a D has 90 million users writing fan fiction.

Leo Laporte (01:14:37):

Jeff Jarvis (01:14:39):
I looked up what pad that cover actually looks familiar from what pad it could be fan

Leo Laporte (01:14:43):
Fiction. Well, I, I wonder what he is looking at cuz he's he's Santa's looking down at something. This is, This is an anthology. It says if you think it's too soon to get on Santa's naught list. Think again. Oh boy, cancel your plans and spend this holiday season with 26 romance authors, who've teamed up to bring you a delicious holiday treat. This collection has it all fake relationships. Second chances, enemies to love friends, to lovers, workplace romance, age, gap, CEOs, bikers, and falling for the best friend's brother

Jeff Jarvis (01:15:20):
And Rudolph.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:21):
I go to the ebook store. I get highlighting the work of black authors.

Leo Laporte (01:15:26):
Thank you much better. And so, and it's in there. I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:30):
Don't know what store you're in. Oh, well

Leo Laporte (01:15:32):
This is a women. This is women's months. A celebration of women's stories, stories they tell. I don't know. I like ebook readers. I read stuff on my Kindle. I mostly technical books cuz I you don't want an audio book that says C plus Pluss four over seven per or emphasis open, close. So I, but, but for for technical books that Kindle's a really good choice and this there's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:02):
Something. Oh look, they have the most popular recommendations on book talk. That's actually I don't why Amazon doesn't do that. There

Leo Laporte (01:16:08):
You go.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:09):
That's actually quite nice. So

Leo Laporte (01:16:10):
Just consider it a little bonus for stay here. Book club. Yes. I forgot to ask you if you even got that good. I'm glad it arrived. I haven't arrived. Tact. Have you, have you put your SIM in the flip phone yet?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:23):
No. I just started updating things last night. Cuz again, didn't get to it too. Yeah, that's fine. I didn't get the mail. That's fine.

Leo Laporte (01:16:29):
I, I hope you like it. I hope you like,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:32):
I think I'm really excited about it looks neat and my daughter is

Jeff Jarvis (01:16:35):
Like the best buy it's it's surprisingly the, the line is not disturbing. It's surprisingly. Yeah. Nice.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:40):
Yeah. And you know what? It's not too heavy.

Leo Laporte (01:16:43):
No, the floppy hands

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:44):

Leo Laporte (01:16:44):
Hands tackle it. That's why I thought for you now put the case on The case in the box. So the cases on the box in there, cuz I had to take it off to fit it in to the original box. You just heard a crash. I hope that wasn't a so yeah, this is, this is

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:59):

Leo Laporte (01:17:00):
Put the case on it too to give it I think it's a little better with a case on just give it yeah. Give it some substance. Yeah, good. Right. Apple.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:09):
I feel like I've got a man's

Leo Laporte (01:17:10):
Wallet announced it's Ave. Yeah. Look at that. It is kind of manly. I'm sorry if it's too manly, but you do have black. Oh no, no. You're actually black fingernails. Black turtleneck. You're in blue hair and blue hair. You're kind of dressed for that.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:22):
Yeah. My current case is camouflaged

Leo Laporte (01:17:24):
In cammo. This is a little, a little more feminine than that. Okay. Okay. It does look like a man's wallet though. I did

Ant Pruitt (01:17:33):
Not see that coming this.

Leo Laporte (01:17:34):
I apologize.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:35):
It, it, it was the case that came on the phone and I'm not, I don't care what case is on my phone. You

Leo Laporte (01:17:40):
Go that's I sent you that one Apple's event is Tuesday. We will cover that live interesting name, peak performance, which sounds like, you know, that's yet another thing for you Ant, but it's faster. Ipad. P double E K. Oh like we're gonna take a peak. And the invite was an AR portal that you go into. So I think it's reasonable. Think apple might, in fact, you at least give a peak and it's rumored AR VR hardware coming out later this year. So at

Ant Pruitt (01:18:13):
Least let us look at it, but not give us something that we can order.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:16):
Do they do that

Leo Laporte (01:18:18):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:19):
Because apple has rarely. Okay. I was like, I don't recall apple ever showing off a device before.

Leo Laporte (01:18:24):
Well they did. And they family was devices where they need developers support the Mac pro the last Mac pro they announced six months ahead of its release. They did that with a previous Mac pro as well, the trashcan, right? Yeah. I think this is, you know, they gotta get developers, writing stuff for whatever this is. So this will be, this will be interesting. We, we, I think, you know, it's probably gonna be more prosaic stuff, basically. An an iPad air, a iPhone se 5g. Oh yeah. We're hoping crossing our fingers for a new Mac mini and you know, actually in the in the Russian FCC database, there were, I think four new devices from apple a couple of weeks ago, which usually happens right before an event. And at least two of them were max. So there may be a Mac mini and a Mac laptop. Anyway, something to watch will be covering it live next Tuesday, 10:00 AM. It'll be I, I guess Michael probably will do iOS today, early with Rosemary orchard. Join me at 10:00 AM for that. And then right after Mac break weekly. So it'll be at apple day on Tuesday, little program note peak performance. Let's take a little break, come back. Still gotta do a change log. I know you all. Can't wait for that. The highlight of the show coming up in just a little

Ant Pruitt (01:19:46):
Bit, the segment you just burned through,

Leo Laporte (01:19:49):
I look forward to it all week long. I say, oh man, I'm just so excited. So excited. Our show today brought to you by hover. This is the place to go to get your domain names. I think hover is the easiest, fastest way to get domain names. And I can tell you because it's so easy and fast, I have hundreds, hundreds of domain Why would you want your own domain name? Why wouldn't you want it? Whether you're a blogger an artist creating a portfolio, building an online store, any business should absolutely own its own domain name. It doesn't have to be for a website at least for email, at least for email. If you're a student starting out in the world, get a domain name that links to your LinkedIn page or your, you know, your resume hover has the best domain names and email addresses just for you.

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Leo Laporte (01:21:27):
You can use the email program you're already using. They have a web interface as well. That's fantastic. And they have so many interesting and fun and different names. Dot ninja dot art my, my, my photography portfolio. I got, I think there's dot photo, but I So I have Leo camera. Don't you think that's good because you had to be different, sir. Yeah. I am a camera and that points to my SMU bug site. Right? Smart. So, you know, I could be Leo, but So I think, you know, it's just represents you a little bit better if you're a professional, you absolutely ought to have your own domain name very easy. Now I know you know I like working with the DNS settings and all of that, and they have great powerful pro level tools that are very easy to use, but give you all the capabilities you want, but they also have, if you don't wanna be like an expert geek, they have hover connect, which will, is one button to connect your your website, whether it's square space or WordPress or wick, right to your domain name, just a couple of clicks.

Leo Laporte (01:22:34):
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Leo Laporte (01:23:26):
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Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:07):
Anyway, you know, when my, when my husband and I had our engagement party, they asked me how many domains did he own? And that was one of my questions. And I was like, I have no idea. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:24:20):
You did like the, the newly we game. 

Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:22):
Yeah, exactly. Like domains to each person own.

Leo Laporte (01:24:26):

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:26):
This, so what was the answer?

Leo Laporte (01:24:28):
Well, Andrew like

Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:29):
Hundred and 30 something. He's a

Leo Laporte (01:24:31):
Total. That's his business. He's a

Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:33):

Leo Laporte (01:24:33):
He's a domainer

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:34):
That's his, how many do you,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:36):
He was then

Leo Laporte (01:24:37):
Did he? Oh gosh, let me see. I don't know. I should go to hover. Let me log in. I could tell you hundred, it seems like a reasonable amount unbeliev. Wow.

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:46):
I that's. How many phone bills

Leo Laporte (01:24:49):
You have? Well, I have to have a domain for every phone, right? Well, for instance, when Michael wanted to run a Minecraft server, I said, okay you know, it's 1 64, 3 9, wait, I'm not gonna tell people that. I said, well, what domain? What, what do you want it to be? He says, I want it to be, and he was like eight or something. Nitro And so I registered to hover. Right? Got it. Nitro Minecraft. That's where our servers are. And I made a big sign in his Minecraft. This says nitro Minecraft. So that's cute. Isn't that cute? Isn't that fun? Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:25:25):
That's good parenting.

Leo Laporte (01:25:26):
Yeah. I don't know if he appreciates it, but anyway, uncle

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:29):
Andrew rub gives a good domain advice. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:25:32):
Well Andrew's like pure stuff. Right. And he likes really weird. He,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:25:38):
I just got a waffle with the tax taken out. That's my delivery

Leo Laporte (01:25:41):
With the what's taken out the tax

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:44):

Leo Laporte (01:25:44):
Oh, they took a bite out of it. Well, I always tell my kids. That's just a check. If there's poison. There you go. So here's all my here's all my domains. Let's see, I got Abby Henry Gotta get the kids names, fool inside. TWI this in tech I got, you know, my ham license w Sixt WT. Oh dear. I inside Leoville.Tv, Leport.Net. Leoville.Com. Tech iLab do Tom Leo TWI live the empire. They're all in here, man. I even have some stuff for like businesses that we thought we were gonna do. Fancy pants dot, things like that. Let's see. Oh, I got, this is a good one that I never used. Leo is I don't. I feel like I could. There's something I could do with that, Jeff. I don't what

Jeff Jarvis (01:26:33):
There is. I think so it's Leo. It's like 

Stacey Higginbotham (01:26:36):
Ki it's like your influencer name. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:26:38):
Yeah. But I, you know, I look for short that's

Jeff Jarvis (01:26:40):
The Leos,

Leo Laporte (01:26:41):
There aren't that many Leo,

Jeff Jarvis (01:26:43):
Leo were and the

Leo Laporte (01:26:44):
Leos there aren't that many short names in the world. That's the problem. Right?

Ant Pruitt (01:26:47):
I love an That's your next one.

Leo Laporte (01:26:49):
There you go. I got a lot of TWI ones. TWI fan TWI show, TWI news, TWI studio, TWI social TWI community. We TWI socials. Our master. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (01:26:58):

Leo Laporte (01:26:58):
Social. Yeah. TWI communities are forums or discourse. I don't know what I never used this one. TWI T I T I dots. H and I also have Leo ish. That's

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:09):
That? That's from down. Down from Leo ish.

Leo Laporte (01:27:11):
Leo ishish. Yeah. Ish and Leo ish. You

Ant Pruitt (01:27:13):
Got Shas for your domain names, huh?

Leo Laporte (01:27:16):
Yeah. I got lip block do live. When I thought what I was gonna do at TikTok comp competitor. Somebody said you, you should get your name backwards. So I have Oh, I do have I didn't even know I had that. Sometimes you can have too many domains. So I got and But not

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:36):
When you have hover,

Leo Laporte (01:27:38):
Not when you got hover. So how do I count all these? I don't know. There's a lot.

Ant Pruitt (01:27:42):
He goes to the terminal.

Leo Laporte (01:27:44):
I need a terminal command. S H yeah. TWI. That's a script. I should, I should be able to do something with TWI DOH. So, Andrew, when you were getting married, rich, and you played, I've been working on the railroad as your theme song. Andrew had already hundreds of domain names.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:02):
He was already buying. He's been in this business for like, like 22 years.

Leo Laporte (01:28:06):
Did he think it was gonna be really mu like money? Like he was

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:14):
Gonna, no, he

Leo Laporte (01:28:16):
Sell, like, sell S like

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:17):
He's constantly. No, he's like one of those entrepreneur he's constantly looking for things that he can make a business out of. So he, he has like two or three things going on at any time. Yeah. Yeah. So this is just, this has just been the most constant one at that time. He was also selling baseball cards.

Leo Laporte (01:28:35):
Oh, really? That's neat. Yep.

Ant Pruitt (01:28:38):
Re con

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:39):
He selling, what does he say?

Ant Pruitt (01:28:42):
Oh, no. I'm I'm just looking in the chat room. Rec con agrees with me. That twit sh is a very powerful bash

Leo Laporte (01:28:48):
Script. Yeah, I can't, yeah. I was gonna put, I pasted it into a spreadsheet to count 'em but it pasted the whole thing. So I don't know The face of the whole page. I don't, that's not. Oh yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:29:03):
What do you do for

Leo Laporte (01:29:04):
A living? I don't know what I do for,

Jeff Jarvis (01:29:06):
Yeah. It's not. It's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:07):
A mess. Maybe, maybe you can ask hover to, to count it for you. Would

Jeff Jarvis (01:29:10):
You just be like, they should, you know what you should add? That's

Leo Laporte (01:29:12):
A Fe feature request. Hover should have like a number next week. Maybe they don't want you to know dude, you got thousands of them. The account would say not enough. Yeah. That's what they'll say. Yeah. Right. Anyway, you gotta do it. Hover.Com/For 10% off your first purchase for a whole year.

Jeff Jarvis (01:29:35):
You do not get an ad like that. No, no, no.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:40):
You might be grateful.

Leo Laporte (01:29:43):
At least a lot of these are just like What do I need that for?

Jeff Jarvis (01:29:48):
For your coffee machine? Probably back on your,

Leo Laporte (01:29:50):
For my coffee machine. You're right. Coffee

Jeff Jarvis (01:29:52):

Leo Laporte (01:29:52):
Really? Oh, brilliant. Yes.

Jeff Jarvis (01:29:56):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:56):
House has a domain. So we have a domain for every house that we move into. Can you see

Leo Laporte (01:30:01):
What happens when you go to that domain though? Does something show up?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:06):
It, we do it just in case. And then when we sell our house sell.

Jeff Jarvis (01:30:10):

Leo Laporte (01:30:10):
Oh yeah. For the selling. Oh, for the selling you're

Jeff Jarvis (01:30:15):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:16):
The selling it's so

Jeff Jarvis (01:30:17):

Leo Laporte (01:30:17):
For the selling of the house

Jeff Jarvis (01:30:18):
On two, three main Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:30:21):
I have my purple air sensor, you know, the air quality measure thing have their own domain name. So I can go right there and find out what the, what the, what the weather is

Jeff Jarvis (01:30:32):
Is that Leo's cough. Leo's we? And let's do the Google change log already. Change log

Leo Laporte (01:30:49):
It's time for the Google change log. Thanks to Ray gun. Oh one AKA Jason Howell for putting this together. Cuz I never have anything to add to the change log. The pixel six cannot install Android. 12 L after the latest update. What? Now I'm mad. I have a pixel six. I have a pixel six pro I presume they mean the pro as well. I've enrolled my device, but apparently be they don't want you. So if you are enrolling a pixel six or pixel six pro that is on the latest February official build, you cannot will not receive an update to 12 L beta three, but instead receive the next upcoming beta build released in March, as long as you keep device enrolled. And this is otherwise you would have a conflict, I guess. So, anyway, I don't know if that's a change or, or something you should know about it. Did you know, Google has something called the fast emergency dialer. It's on your pixel six lock screen. Oh they've been, yeah. See if you've got it on yours. This it's not it's slowly rolling it out. It's a new, fast emergency dialer designed to help users travel internationally.

Jeff Jarvis (01:32:06):
This is what's cool. Act nine 11. Isn't international, right?

Leo Laporte (01:32:09):
You know, nine 11. But if you're in some other country it's not nine 11. So police, fire medical services, the dialer was first seen last year, the pixel emergency app, but Google confirmed to Android police that it's gonna be rolling out to a wider release. It's designed for an national travel. You can use it at any location. It will show OBS relevant to your location. So it knows where you are. Quick access to call an emergency number with one action. Use the slider. There's a Mo automatic emergency number that are tied to your location. The phone does that automatically. Plus you'll get numbers for your area like police, fire, medical services, and use a slider. The one you need, you may not have

Ant Pruitt (01:32:51):
It. I don't know if mine's set up cuz it just says no information.

Leo Laporte (01:32:53):
Yeah. I don't think you have it yet,

Ant Pruitt (01:32:55):
But it was pretty easy to just swipe up and hit that one button. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:32:58):
On the phone's screen. There's an emergency call button, but you'll have sliders for the numbers. Oh, okay. When that kind of rolls out. Also if you hold, you know, the power menu, it'll show up there as, as emergency calls do as well. Yeah. So right. I think you just don't have that dialer thing. Oh no, I don't have my pixel six with me. Oh yeah. There's one call 9 1 1. And it's just a slider.

Jeff Jarvis (01:33:19):
But if I, if I go, if I click on, if I click on touch the emergency button, is it gonna actually call?

Leo Laporte (01:33:26):
You can touch

Ant Pruitt (01:33:26):
It. No, you can touch it. And then it takes you to the next screen to do the slider.

Leo Laporte (01:33:30):
And then you can see if it's the 

Ant Pruitt (01:33:32):
I'm not, I'm not gonna

Leo Laporte (01:33:33):
Slide are smart because you're lying there. You're bleeding. You're feeling terrible. You're broke your leg. You know, you got a headache and you don't want to dial nine.

Ant Pruitt (01:33:40):
Didn't have enough coffee.

Leo Laporte (01:33:41):
He just slide. Didn't have enough coffee. So 

Jeff Jarvis (01:33:43):
That's so, so in other words, when I die on the show, as we have discussed,

Leo Laporte (01:33:48):
Please die on my moment

Jeff Jarvis (01:33:50):
Beforehand. Call me. I can try to use that. So instead of you helping me, you're gonna say no, Jeff, go to your phone. Swipe swipe here. Oh, Jeff, Jeff. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:01):
Jeff. Don't use don't use your fingerprints can no, just you hit the

Jeff Jarvis (01:34:05):

Leo Laporte (01:34:06):
Screen. Jeff. You and I are the same age. I was just thinking this the other day. I wanna Rob write a blog post used to be, you know when I'm ruminating, you know, before I go to fall asleep, you're

Jeff Jarvis (01:34:18):
Walking chair.

Leo Laporte (01:34:19):
Ruminating used to be I'd think about, you know, know pleasant, thoughts, you know, girls football bourbon almost exclusively now it's death. Oh boy. Do you find that Jeff? Like, he's

Jeff Jarvis (01:34:32):
Just yes, yes,

Leo Laporte (01:34:33):
Yes. I think it's with age, you go, like I'm thinking, oh boy, I just was thinking, I just lost two years. I don't have that many left. And I just gave away two years to COVID like, I'm not gonna have, I'm gonna have 20 years. I got eight. My life expectancy is 18 years. 18.2 years. I just gave away two of them. Yeah. For nothing.

Ant Pruitt (01:34:55):
Nothing to show far. I

Jeff Jarvis (01:34:55):
Just went

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:56):
Through some things happened.

Leo Laporte (01:34:58):
A few things. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:34:59):
A few things. Yeah. Not all good. I mean,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:02):
Life is not a constant party. We'd be exhausted.

Leo Laporte (01:35:05):
Why the hell? No.

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:08):
Some people want noise. Oh, oh. Crochet that in a pillow. Life is not a constant party. Says Stacy Higgin.

Leo Laporte (01:35:15):
You it's not party

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:15):

Leo Laporte (01:35:16):
Right? Every hour I got 600 hours.

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:18):
How'd you think? That's fair.

Leo Laporte (01:35:20):
600 hours of Anaheim. About 400 hours in crossing new horizons. Val

Ant Pruitt (01:35:25):
Hiim and you were on a tear with

Leo Laporte (01:35:26):
That. I learned to sew

Ant Pruitt (01:35:28):
In your underwear.

Leo Laporte (01:35:29):
I made a lot of sour dough. Okay. You're right. It wasn't completely see

Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:34):
You bought a Thermo mix.

Leo Laporte (01:35:35):
I did.

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:36):
Yeah. Your, the mix. I we're gonna bring that all is not lost,

Ant Pruitt (01:35:40):
Which you didn't gift.

Leo Laporte (01:35:41):
So they, they recently did an MRI or an EEG of a dying person. Did you see

Ant Pruitt (01:35:47):
This did not cuz I don't think about that

Leo Laporte (01:35:49):
Kind. We're still in the change log. This is just a detour. Okay. so this an elderly epilepsy who was in the middle of an EEG suddenly died bursts of activity measured by the EEG associated with memory, recall meditation and dreaming the physicians monitoring. And this is an article published in frontiers in aging neuroscience, which is my personal favorite magazine. Okay. they, they said this is in effect kind of matches what you'd expect. If your life was flashing before your eyes. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:36:32):
They say, this is rare cuz you can't plan this. No healthy. Human's gonna go and have an EEG while they're dying. And in a sick patient, you don't know whether they're gonna die or not. So it was just kind of chance for roughly 30 seconds before and after the man's heart stopped beating the scans showed increased activity and parts of the brain associated with memory, recall meditation and dreaming high frequency, gamma oscillations, slower frequency, theta, Delta alpha, and be scientists say they were particularly intrigued by the presence of Gama waves, which suggest the man's brain may have been replaying memories from throughout his life.

Ant Pruitt (01:37:10):

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:11):
Passive before your

Leo Laporte (01:37:12):
Eyes. So maybe that's peaceful that well that's the old wives tale. Is that what you'd see? Yeah. Yeah. A little review.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:20):
And it only, if we knew it was scored to the soundtrack for up and then we'd know exactly where we were

Leo Laporte (01:37:26):
Going. Oh man, that movie right before we died, cry that movie cried stupid movie. All right. So You cried too. Get back

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:35):
To the James. You cried, cried.

Leo Laporte (01:37:37):
You cried.

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:39):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:40):

Ant Pruitt (01:37:40):
Cry. I know in anyway.

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:42):

Leo Laporte (01:37:42):
Speaking of dial

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:43):

Leo Laporte (01:37:43):
Google phone is preparing material. You inspired dialer that looks like Android. Twelve's lock screen. Here's a gallery from nine to five Google.

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:53):

Leo Laporte (01:37:55):
Okay. This is where we, this is how pathetic has become now with smartphone cuz there's well, there's just not much new. So now look the picture, the color, the background kind of matches your wallpaper sort of Ooh.

Ant Pruitt (01:38:11):
Okay. The color that I didn't want because your OS is saying I have to lock it into this particular shade of orange. And did

Leo Laporte (01:38:19):
I show you my wallpaper on the, you would actually, I should lend you this fun. Yeah. I'd have to take the SIM out there. That's the the

Ant Pruitt (01:38:27):
New note. I mean, not note C

Leo Laporte (01:38:29):
Ultra 20 ultra look at the back. What the backdrop does on this? Oh, live wall. Paper. Yeah. Oh, isn't

Ant Pruitt (01:38:35):
That cool. Nose are back.

Leo Laporte (01:38:36):
Yeah. Here. Where, where, where is it there? It's I don't know. It's just a Samsung Samsung thing. Yeah. but I, you know the screen on this, look at the screen on that. Give me an independence that's of his eye. It's a good screen. Samsung

Ant Pruitt (01:38:47):
Has always had beautiful

Leo Laporte (01:38:49):
Display. Yeah. Really nice. 20 Herz. Very smooth. Look

Ant Pruitt (01:38:51):
How smooth that is. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:38:53):
Oh, I'll have to say though, in my experience, the finger little print reader on that isn't is the same as the pixel six. It doesn't work the same way. It's optical. Not infrared,

Ant Pruitt (01:39:01):
But oh this is so smooth

Leo Laporte (01:39:03):
And isn't that screen beautiful.

Ant Pruitt (01:39:05):
Oh man. Yeah. Where's the camera. Hold on.

Leo Laporte (01:39:08):
Yeah. Oh yeah. I, you know what? I'm gonna wipe that and you can borrow it if you want. How's the white balance.

Ant Pruitt (01:39:14):
Well, we will know after I snappish, I can't find a dang.

Leo Laporte (01:39:17):
Are you referring back to, I am Ant critiqued. The one picture I took with a pixel six look and said the white balance was off. Is that what you're referring? Because

Ant Pruitt (01:39:27):
It was off. Ooh. Yeah, this is, this looks great. I look good.

Leo Laporte (01:39:32):
Sorry. Now we know had Ant judges a camera. It no, it has selfie camera. Oh man. That's a wide angle too. That

Ant Pruitt (01:39:38):
Is really nice.

Leo Laporte (01:39:40):
Youtube's music, artist pages. Now list songs and albums from your library. This is a feature I actually really liked and play music. And it's now on YouTube music as well. This is how pathetic this change long is this is the most minor. These, how about Jason? It's not, it's not Jason Howard. It's not, it's not this all there is Jason. You're amazing. We love you, Jason. It's your change log. That sucks. No, it's not your fault. We can only do what Google does. And as you know, Google's on vacation. This is something that's been in Samsung phones forever. It's a little slider that goes with the slice. So you adjusted dimness yep. Android 13 is gonna add it.

Ant Pruitt (01:40:21):
Oh, thank you first. Thank you Samsung for telling Google to do something

Leo Laporte (01:40:26):
Actually that that Samsung is is, is not bad. That Samsung is not

Ant Pruitt (01:40:30):
Bad. Yeah. I like to play with this.

Leo Laporte (01:40:32):
I like that. That's 22 ultra and that plus a little more is the Google change. Lock change lot. Plus

Ant Pruitt (01:40:40):
It's a little top heavy too.

Leo Laporte (01:40:42):
Wait. It's heavy. Doesn't it feel? I think heavy though. Makes it feel more valuable. Sorry. Did I? Stacy Stacy couldn't

Ant Pruitt (01:40:49):
Use it premium when they're heavier.

Leo Laporte (01:40:50):
Yeah. There's more in it.

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:52):
No, no. Stop it with the heavy

Ant Pruitt (01:40:55):
Phone. You stop it. This floppy wrist.

Leo Laporte (01:40:56):
Well, I gave you when I got, once I got this. That's why you got the flip phone. It's cuz I got the new S 22 ultra. I said now, who do I know has floppy wrists?

Jeff Jarvis (01:41:08):
How this vision just flop it around. Stacey lifts her phone up. She's just gonna topple over it all over.

Leo Laporte (01:41:15):
She's a little whisper of ALA and she can barely hold her phone up. Oh,

Jeff Jarvis (01:41:22):
I can't. I can't talk thetical to particular. Cause I'm going over.

Leo Laporte (01:41:28):
This is really good. Is I'm gonna ask Cory doctor about, about this. Cause has always been, you know, he is a science fiction author, very acclaimed. You're doing his unconstitutional bread. His

Ant Pruitt (01:41:41):

Jeff Jarvis (01:41:41):
Unauthorize unauthorized bread.

Ant Pruitt (01:41:43):
Constant that's that's that's the sequel that's

Jeff Jarvis (01:41:46):
Later. Yeah. That's his next book?

Leo Laporte (01:41:48):
It's this later his answer. It's about, about section two 30 bread book on in your book club. And he is a pioneer in open sourcing his books, creative comments. As in his books, he gives them away. He does the audio books with no DRM, things like that.

Ant Pruitt (01:42:05):
The audio book, I bought it directly from him. Not through all. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:42:08):
Exactly. I think that's great. And honestly, Jeff knows this, you know, you it's, you don't do right books to make money because you get the gigs,

Ant Pruitt (01:42:19):
You get the right books to get Nick's book,

Leo Laporte (01:42:21):
Right? It establishes your credibility and things like that. It's very few books make a lot of money for artists. Well, Brandon Sanderson, who's a, a very well known sci-fi author. In fact, he's the guy who finished wheel of time. AF

Jeff Jarvis (01:42:34):
I was gonna say he finished the wheel of time and he was a, he did a good job.

Leo Laporte (01:42:38):
Did a great

Jeff Jarvis (01:42:38):
Job. He's done several great fantasy.

Leo Laporte (01:42:41):
He used to be love. So during COVID he didn't wanna waste those two years. He wrote not one, not two, not three, four secret novels. Didn't tell anybody it was running 'em. He said originally it was a surprise for my wife. They're in his existing costear setting decided instead of going to a publisher and getting in advance or selling em, that way he went to Kickstarter in one day, $15 million, $15 million. It broke fundraising platform records on the platform.

Ant Pruitt (01:43:18):

Leo Laporte (01:43:20):
It, you know, it helps that he's a very well known and beloved author

Jeff Jarvis (01:43:23):
The world,

Leo Laporte (01:43:24):
But this really is a model for, you know, for the future. Do it yourself. Do it yourself.

Ant Pruitt (01:43:32):
A lot of artists have been saying that on the music side of things, in addition to same people writing books.

Leo Laporte (01:43:39):
Yep. Yep.

Jeff Jarvis (01:43:40):
I can't say anything yet, cuz I dunno the contract, but I'm gonna sell a book to an academic publisher. Oh, so the terms $1,000 advance and I think it's 10% of the net

Leo Laporte (01:43:56):
And they only, the net is they only take half of the cover price, right? The books, the bookstore gets the other half and then you

Jeff Jarvis (01:44:03):
Get 10% of

Leo Laporte (01:44:04):
That. Of 10% of half. Yeah. 10. Percent's actually a decent royalty. You know, you're not alone. Lot of authors make more money on the Amazon associates fee than they do on their royalties. Actually Sanderson did a Kickstarter in 2021 funded a 10th anniversary, leather bound edition of his book. The way of Kings raised 6.8 million in that one. Dang. So does

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:28):
He? I didn't think

Jeff Jarvis (01:44:29):

Leo Laporte (01:44:30):
I guess so. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:44:32):
Yeah. Minus,

Leo Laporte (01:44:33):
Minus expensive printing 'em

Jeff Jarvis (01:44:35):

Leo Laporte (01:44:38):
But it just, you know, it just shows you 67. Oh actually up to 17 million now 67,000. Oh it's going up fast up to, even as we're looking at it, 67,000 backers it's only day two of the Kickstarter.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:53):
So you get all four books for how much $10 is that?

Leo Laporte (01:44:56):
What you $40, $10 without a reward, $40 to get eBooks, quarterly eBooks, $60. You get audio books and eBooks $160. You get a hard cover eBooks and audio books. So yeah. And $220, you get all three formats of all four books.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:45:21):
It's like when Disney used to sell their for five bucks extra, they would sell you the DVD, the Blueray and the digital version. I bet they don't do that anymore.

Leo Laporte (01:45:31):
Each book is about

Stacey Higginbotham (01:45:32):
With the gold it an era.

Ant Pruitt (01:45:33):
Cause now they're like what's the DVD.

Leo Laporte (01:45:35):
Each book is 400 pages long. So these aren't little short books you also get, so you get a swag box each month. So he's putting a lot of effort into this. Wow. Yeah. That's really neat. In

Ant Pruitt (01:45:49):
Other words, he's giving,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:45:50):
I should get this for Kevin. He's a huge Sanders, so

Leo Laporte (01:45:53):
Oh, there you go.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:45:55):

Leo Laporte (01:45:55):
There you go.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:45:56):
Getting ke the

Jeff Jarvis (01:45:58):
Other thing was that if you

Leo Laporte (01:45:59):
Could also send that Cobo ebook reader

Ant Pruitt (01:46:04):
That you just sort of put to the side, just,

Leo Laporte (01:46:06):
I'm just

Ant Pruitt (01:46:06):
Saying where's the phone, where's the phone there's ag.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:12):
It was just confusing. I was like, what is this?

Leo Laporte (01:46:14):
I should have written a note. This

Ant Pruitt (01:46:16):
Isn't read a,

Leo Laporte (01:46:17):
I didn't put a note in there. I didn't put a return it a book. It was just a box. Just a,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:22):
I I figured it out pretty quickly. Yeah. When I saw the, the phone, but I, the reader was a surprise. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:46:28):
Just a little extra. When I sat out a box, you never know what you're gonna get. You might get a surprise in there just saying,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:34):

Leo Laporte (01:46:35):
Ford is announced that it's splitting its auto business into gas vehicles and electric vehicles

Jeff Jarvis (01:46:41):
Who wants to be in the past.

Leo Laporte (01:46:42):
Isn't that interest. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:43):
Who's gonna buy me.

Leo Laporte (01:46:46):
Well, I mean, there'll still be a market for a long time. Everybody can't afford the EVs. Yeah. There'll be a market for gas vehicles, I guess. It's like the

Jeff Jarvis (01:46:55):
People who wanna work in print.

Leo Laporte (01:46:58):
Yes. Like working in print 50

Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:02):
It's it's my artisanal cord. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:47:07):
It's Show title. The Mockey, which I have has done pretty well for Ford. Well enough that they they're they're very bullish on that, but I mean, honestly,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:17):
Didn't they do the lightning pickup truck

Leo Laporte (01:47:20):
F150 is a huge business for Ford and that things yeah. The electric is probably gonna do very well. The stock market went up 5% on news of the re. So clearly the market likes it. They'll still be both under the Ford umbrella. It's kinda like alphabet, but they're gonna have two different divisions. They plan

Jeff Jarvis (01:47:37):
Separate dealers.

Leo Laporte (01:47:38):
Oh, that's interesting. You know, dealers have been this, the kind of the weak point in this EV thing. There are quite a few EV owners who, who get, you know, quarterly mailings from their dealers are offering them oil changes, you know, things like that. Oh yeah. Both Lisa and I have experienced issues with all three of our electric vehicles, getting them repaired. The dealers don't really, I have a recall on my Ford. That's been going on since December that the

Jeff Jarvis (01:48:03):
Leases over get fixed.

Leo Laporte (01:48:04):
Yes. Leases is fixed and working fine. Yes. Perfect. But it really took a lot of it was overhaul. Yeah, it was. Yeah. And the, and the dealer we bought it from, didn't know what to do with it. They actually sent it to another dealer and that's a, that's kind of, I think that's the weak link in the chain. So maybe they should have separate

Jeff Jarvis (01:48:22):
You, you don't want your car dealer to say, I have to escalate you. That's not good. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:48:27):
Well they did. They had to like to Germany to get to paw because it turns out it's a BMW underneath that. Are you, if you're a Spotify fan, are you gonna buy the car thing?

Jeff Jarvis (01:48:40):
I'm not buying the,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:41):
I actually thought of,

Leo Laporte (01:48:42):
Yeah. Oh, I'm not a fan anymore. I was not a fan. This is like a, a, you know, kind of a phone size device that just for playing music from Spotify. I mean, most people don't. Yes. New cars don't need this it's for older cars.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:57):
Okay. Wait, wait though. Wait. Okay. Hold

Leo Laporte (01:49:00):
On. But wait, it

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:01):
Would come in for 90 bucks. My Tesla now integrates with Spotify, but because you have to create a separate email address to work with a cars account, this helps get around. So one before my Tesla allowed for Spotify, you know, you couldn't,

Leo Laporte (01:49:20):
You couldn't. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:22):
Yeah. So it would've been handy then, and then it would still be handy just so cuz like man, every now and then, you know, the token renews and then suddenly I get signed out and then you gotta go up the special email, the special password. And this

Leo Laporte (01:49:35):
Looks like a pretty nice little piece of kit too. It's got a nice and it's a nice yeah, yeah. It's got a good screen on it. It looks pretty nice. 89 for the money.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:43):

Leo Laporte (01:49:44):
Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:44):
It's not much you can and

Jeff Jarvis (01:49:47):
Help destroy podcasts when you buy it. Yeah. Oh Jeff, we're all destroying Jeff and I

Leo Laporte (01:49:55):
Before the show. Jeff and I had a long conversation about, I think, I think honestly Spotify is trying to kind of get rid of independent podcasting and bring everything under its you only, there's four big at this point, podcasting companies cuz Spotify bought Gimlet and Amazon bought Wondery. So Spotify it's Amazon. It's iHeart. That does my radio show. So I disclaimer, I work for them and apple. And honestly I think that this, these companies are so big, so dominant and will eat up all the advertising that there won't be a lot for independent podcasters. And that's my concern is companies like mine probably not existed in the years.

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:35):
So people join the Fri club. Yeah. You got an there

Leo Laporte (01:50:39):
That's by the clubs there. TV slash club. That's you're

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:42):
Gonna, you're gonna see hosts in their PJs. Yes. I'm telling you. Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:50:46):
It's awesome. Join

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:48):
Club Dodge. Declaration of independence from Spotify.

Leo Laporte (01:50:52):
Yeah. Well that's one of the reasons we did it. We knew that this was coming, you know, is that, and you know, when I started TWI, I really wanted it to be just no ads and user supported, but there the infrastructure didn't exist. I didn't, I didn't think, I don't think we've gotten the size we'd of gotten without advertising support and I still think that's gonna be the case going forward. So I worry. I agree. I feel you 

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:18):
There's lots of stores either. I think Amazon just announced they're closing all their physical stores, not yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:51:23):
Isn't that interesting.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:25):
They're closing. Some of their bookstores bookstores will stay open and they're fashion stores that they're

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:30):
Trying to launch all their book and, and that that, that all of the,

Leo Laporte (01:51:36):
This doesn't include the ghost stores, right? The grab and go, it

Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:38):
Doesn't include groceries. No, no, no food of

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:41):

Leo Laporte (01:51:41):
But it is 68 stores, Amazon books, physical stores, Amazon four star and Amazon top up shops sold a variety of electronics on their hot items. That was kind of weird. Right. Instead of going to Amazon, you'd go to the, the popup shop and you could see like the most popular items and buy it directly. I think these were all experiments at anyway. And 

Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:02):
Yeah, but they did have them. They have them in very nice shopping centers. Yeah. I mean like the higher end shopping centers are where you find those. So it's a little interest stink for that space.

Leo Laporte (01:52:10):
Yeah. although shopping centers, aren't doing all that well, are they? Nope.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:15):
Well, shopping centers, like the open air malls and those are doing actually pretty well.

Leo Laporte (01:52:19):
It's the, it's the big indoor ones that are yeah. The old school ones. So they're all graveyards right now. Yeah. It's sad. Yeah. that brings us to this co of online versus physical store sales for Amazon last year, the numbers for last year, 17 billion in the physical stores, 470 billion online. So, or overall total. So you could see it's a small portion of their over overall revenue. I think it was just an experimental thing they were trying, right?

Jeff Jarvis (01:52:58):
Yeah. I think pretty much. And

Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:00):
You know, Well in, I don't, I mean, how many times I've bought one thing in one of the Amazon bookstores I

Ant Pruitt (01:53:09):
Ever just because,

Leo Laporte (01:53:10):
So yeah. Yeah. Although I like going to our bookstore, our local bookstore and browsing

Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:15):
Well in the Amazon bookstore experience was terrible. Their aisles, their path with people, the aisles were small. I've never been in one, the it wasn't crowded. And then there's just crap, New York everywhere.

Ant Pruitt (01:53:28):
I've never seen him. I've just seen a few mom and pop stores here in Santa Rosa.

Jeff Jarvis (01:53:32):
There's some neat stuff. Like the, you know, if you like this, you'll like that, the problem is you can't browse for books anymore. All we have is Barnes of noble, which it's new CEO has at least improved that, but there's, you know, books that aren't there and there's nowhere else to browse and book reviews. Don't review books anymore. They have to have thumb suckers and hot takes. Oh. And so I welcomed another place to browse and discover books. But

Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:57):
You, you don't have local bookstores.

Jeff Jarvis (01:54:01):
Very few. I'm not in the burbs. I'm way out here

Leo Laporte (01:54:05):
Where, yeah. Wet only have one in petal.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:08):
Only one. I mean, I live on an island and I have one local to the island. That's good. But then I have a couple local bookstores.

Leo Laporte (01:54:14):
Every island should have a bookstore that seems like,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:16):

Leo Laporte (01:54:17):
Yeah, table stakes,

Ant Pruitt (01:54:18):
Real sanity,

Leo Laporte (01:54:21):
Tiktok. I don't know if this is gonna work TikTok, which went from 30 seconds to three minutes. Not so long ago is now gonna increase the length of their videos to up to 10 minutes. Would you sit and watch a 10 minute video on TikTok?

Ant Pruitt (01:54:37):
I wouldn't, but a lot of people will three minutes. A lot. Really? Yeah. The TikTok hardcore people

Leo Laporte (01:54:44):
Thing is you spend that much time on TikTok, just scrolling up. It's not the time. It's just, I don't know if I wanna, I honestly, if, if it goes on too long, even like a, yeah, I agree,

Ant Pruitt (01:54:53):
But that's but that's you though, but do you, don't people, you not think the fanatic that find something that they like, they watch the whole video anyway. Right. And if it's, if salt underscore Hank, I

Leo Laporte (01:55:04):
Should ask to do

Ant Pruitt (01:55:05):
Fallen all the way through. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:55:07):

Ant Pruitt (01:55:07):
Probably will watch his all the way through. Not, I,

Leo Laporte (01:55:10):
I think even when they got

Jeff Jarvis (01:55:12):

Leo Laporte (01:55:13):
Efficiency yeah. When they got longer, he was reluctant to make his longer, so. Oh

Ant Pruitt (01:55:18):
Yeah. Well that, yeah. That's different for his, his stick. Yeah. Same someone that's that's, you know, you have like these there's all

Leo Laporte (01:55:25):
Kinds of stuff on TikTok. I agree

Ant Pruitt (01:55:26):
A lot, like a lot of this social justice people, right. That are all overt TikTok. They would probably get a huge boost out of this, you know?

Leo Laporte (01:55:35):
It'll be, I mean, it, it doesn't, I mean, you don't have to watch all 10 minutes.

Ant Pruitt (01:55:40):
No you don't.

Leo Laporte (01:55:41):
I, is it interesting? It's kind of saying, well, you know, maybe we should be more like

Ant Pruitt (01:55:44):
Youtube, like YouTube. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:55:46):
It's interesting. That's

Jeff Jarvis (01:55:47):
I think it's a shot across about YouTube. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (01:55:49):
Cause things

Jeff Jarvis (01:55:50):
Put Don go on for 10 hours and puts it. It puts it in a feed.

Ant Pruitt (01:55:54):

Jeff Jarvis (01:55:55):
Which I

Leo Laporte (01:55:55):
Think is important. Right. let's see. Do you guys

Jeff Jarvis (01:56:00):
Get an email from Facebook telling you to join and protect or

Leo Laporte (01:56:04):
I would, if I had a Facebook, don't

Ant Pruitt (01:56:05):
Have a Facebook account. Oh,

Jeff Jarvis (01:56:06):
There's that?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:07):
Yeah. No Facebook.

Leo Laporte (01:56:09):
Wow. You're the only one. Jeff.

Jeff Jarvis (01:56:11):
Jesus, no

Ant Pruitt (01:56:12):
Man. No, man.

Leo Laporte (01:56:14):
That is fascinating. That is telling right

Jeff Jarvis (01:56:16):

Leo Laporte (01:56:17):
That's a news story.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:18):
I, I have, I actually have a site account and we did get a notification, but it was, it was lame. What was

Leo Laporte (01:56:26):
The notification? What, what is, what is it?

Jeff Jarvis (01:56:29):
Sign, protect.

Leo Laporte (01:56:31):
What is protect? Go ahead.

Jeff Jarvis (01:56:33):
It's true. Factor.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:34):
It's two factor. Oh good. Yeah. Authentica I was like, oh good. I didn't tell me to sign up. It just wanted me to confirm that I was protecting my account. It did look like a fit Shing though.

Jeff Jarvis (01:56:45):
Well, it absolutely did. And let me find the email if I can

Ant Pruitt (01:56:50):
And that's not helpful.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:53):
Well, that's kind of, I was like, well, this feels dodgy. Yeah. But then we went to the page itself and looked and it was fine.

Jeff Jarvis (01:57:05):
Yeah. Basically said you're a media per a lot of people, people were getting, but you have a popular, maybe it's

Leo Laporte (01:57:09):

Jeff Jarvis (01:57:10):
You have a popular site. Yeah. And, and, and, and you could be attacked by bad actors. Ergo. We're gonna require you. Oh. To do protect. And if you don't by here, its here. It's about it. Hi Jeff. I, I love how they know.

Leo Laporte (01:57:25):
Oh yeah. My dear friend. Cause

Ant Pruitt (01:57:26):
They know you

Jeff Jarvis (01:57:29):
Your account has the potential to reach a lot more people than the average Facebook user.

Leo Laporte (01:57:34):

Jeff Jarvis (01:57:36):
Make me feel big. Hackers are often motivated to attack accounts that have a lot of followers like me run important pages. Well yes. Or hold some community significance. I'd like to think I do to help defend against these targeted attacks. We require Facebook protect for your account. Turn on Facebook, protect by 17 March. They are European. After that, you'll be locked out of your account until you and right. So I, I, my presumption was fishing. The breast seemed okay, did

Ant Pruitt (01:58:10):
They close that with a nicety? You know, they were all warm and fuzzy to start. Then they went and said require and you better do it now or else. And then they say, well, have a nice day. You

Jeff Jarvis (01:58:20):
Such a, well, it still makes me feel special. And

Ant Pruitt (01:58:23):
There we go. Cause it

Jeff Jarvis (01:58:23):
Says, note, Facebook protect is isn't available to everyone.

Ant Pruitt (01:58:28):
Yeah, we do. That's the sandwich.

Jeff Jarvis (01:58:29):
We require a stronger security for your account because it has a potential to reach a large audience. Yeah. Thanks so much the Facebook team. So anyway, so I, I, I click on the thing, turn on Facebook protect. Right, right. And all it does is take me through like, this is what Facebook protect is. And then it says you already have two factor identification. So you're okay. Well shouldn't there. Should it be your

Ant Pruitt (01:58:51):
Database? Know that

Jeff Jarvis (01:58:52):
And not send this to me. Yeah. Well I, but it made me feel so important that I feel better now. I that's.

Leo Laporte (01:59:01):
I wonder, I think, you know, I'd heard that a lot of this would be happening because of the war that everybody was a little bit concerned about cyber warfare and said, and a lot of companies were saying let's lock down a little more than, than usual. Mm. I would guess anyway. Can I

Jeff Jarvis (01:59:20):
Put in one inch a story that I found

Leo Laporte (01:59:21):
Interesting, as long as it's not the wheel of fortune,

Jeff Jarvis (01:59:25):
Did you watch that though?

Ant Pruitt (01:59:27):
Did you watch it? We all watched it. I haven't seen

Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:29):
It. Yeah. The whole internet watched it

Leo Laporte (01:59:31):
Million views of what is this? Everybody knows what the puzzle is, but two people go bankrupt and finally the guy solves it. And what's the, what's the moral of this message.

Jeff Jarvis (01:59:43):
American don't

Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:44):
All speak the same

Leo Laporte (01:59:45):
Language. No, you are ignorant because you don't understand what's going on here. Merv Griffin designed this show to in incent the, the on screen contestants, not to solve the puzzle. The more they spin, the more they can make. Right. And he designed it because it would make the people at home feel smart because they're sitting going it's feather in your cap. It's feather in your cap. And these DUS who are playing on screen, they not, they know it's a feather in your cap, right? Well,

Jeff Jarvis (02:00:15):
No, no, no, no. You're wrong in the, she

Ant Pruitt (02:00:18):
They're in,

Jeff Jarvis (02:00:18):
She guessed wrong. She said I'll saw. And it was a, a feather in your, in your map, a feather in feather in.

Leo Laporte (02:00:26):

Jeff Jarvis (02:00:27):
So that's why this is you didn't watch it. I can tell you didn't watch it. That's good is special because she solved wrong twice. Did you write, did somebody,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:00:34):
She was a Dean of students at some,

Leo Laporte (02:00:38):
Maybe she never heard that phrase of feather in your D and she didn't know that's what it was. Right. But

Jeff Jarvis (02:00:46):

Leo Laporte (02:00:46):
Feathering your gap in that's right. Gap. Okay.

Jeff Jarvis (02:00:49):
This is first person effect. This is there's. There's lots of, that's the word. There's lots of academic studies for this. Yes. There's third person effect, which says, well, you are all gonna be corrupted by disinformation in pornography. Not me. I'm somehow immune for person effect is I'm smarter than everybody else. They're stupid. The entirety of TV game shows is

Leo Laporte (02:01:10):
To sign that

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:10):
One were made first person effect except for jeopardy superior, except

Leo Laporte (02:01:14):
For jeopardy. Yeah. Which makes you feel horrible.

Ant Pruitt (02:01:18):
Yeah. Jeopardy makes you feel Really? No,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:21):
It's great. When you do well at jeopardy, you're like hearty.

Leo Laporte (02:01:26):

Ant Pruitt (02:01:26):
I love that show, but I hardly ever do well at it, but I do enjoy watching. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:01:31):
And we'll wrap up on a sad note. The actually, oh,

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:35):
I can't have the story I was

Leo Laporte (02:01:36):
Gonna do. Oh, go ahead please. That was the sad note. It's real

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:38):
Quick. It's quick. I found this interesting. The copyright review board refused to grant copyright to art created by

Leo Laporte (02:01:46):
AI. Right.

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:49):
And they said that ownership by the machine was not sufficient and that where to go here in the, the review that there's a presumed human touch to it is that, that there was founded for that are founded in the creative proc powers of the, and then they put in brackets, human mind, which is to say the law, didn't say human. It didn't anticipate unhuman. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:02:19):
They had, yeah. The copyright law predates any of this AI stuff. Well,

Jeff Jarvis (02:02:23):
17, 10 yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:02:24):

Jeff Jarvis (02:02:25):
Yeah. Right. So I, I it's weird because this thing doesn't look like it was a very good argument on its behalf. Maybe it's just a test case. That's why they were doing that. But, but what it says, cuz they also go to an 1880 something case where somebody printed a photo and they tried to argue that the photo was not the creation of human being. It's the creation of machine.

Leo Laporte (02:02:46):
Well, wasn't there a whole straw about the photo that was taken by the monkey, the gorilla. Yeah. And who owned the copyright to that? They cite

Jeff Jarvis (02:02:55):
That the monkey, but the monkey couldn't photographer.

Leo Laporte (02:02:57):

Jeff Jarvis (02:02:58):
It has to be human. I found this really at,

Leo Laporte (02:03:00):
I think that's very human-centric. I don't like it. It is,

Jeff Jarvis (02:03:04):
It is. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:03:05):
Let's power to the power to humanist. It's humanist.

Jeff Jarvis (02:03:09):
It's very Leos

Leo Laporte (02:03:12):
Leo don't yes I have. Le is as well, but that's impossible. Le I have L E O

Jeff Jarvis (02:03:21):
That's Valeo

Leo Laporte (02:03:23):

Jeff Jarvis (02:03:23):
Leo as ki is Teke

Leo Laporte (02:03:26):
That's right? Yes. So the problem with Lao is it's got a E with an ante Q and so that always gets translated into a weird Unicode string. So it's you can't use it for a domain name. It's not, it's not good. I try, but everybody laughs at me when I do. Oh look, it gets a nice picture though. That's how it goes through. That's what it goes to. I don't know why maybe cuz is, is Iceland. Is this a picture of Iceland? That's very odd. I didn't put that there. Sure. You didn't. That is weird. Oh, that's Leo is that's the problem I need to do. Leo is see, anyway, I think I've told this story. Well,

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:09):
Thank you for letting me do my little story. I thought

Leo Laporte (02:04:12):

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:12):
I think sad moment.

Leo Laporte (02:04:13):
Well, do you agree though, that AI should probably not be able to give, be given copyright what? Well, I don't know. No, I

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:19):
Think they should be.

Leo Laporte (02:04:20):
What's the entity and what's the purpose. What's the,

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:24):
Well then the thing about copyright is go ahead, go ahead, Stacy. Then

Stacey Higginbotham (02:04:28):
I'll go. Well, I was gonna say, if I've got copyright, then I can make money on it. So if I'm a person who invents an AI who can write something that's copyrightable or produce something,

Leo Laporte (02:04:37):
Then the person should get the copyright. Bingo.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:04:39):
Then I end up with the money and the copyright. Right? Right. No

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:42):
Here's here's the deal. So copyright was created not to protect authors. It was created by the publishers, the book sellers to create a tradeable asset. Okay. They couldn't own the asset and sell it unless I own something as the all and granted it to them and then sells it to LIO. And that's the why. So what's gonna happen here, I think is Stacy's fright. I'm gonna go create an AI. That's gonna pump out tons of NFTs. Yeah. That's exactly. I want all to be tradeable assets.

Leo Laporte (02:05:11):
That's exactly what's

Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:12):
Happening. That's what Netflix does already.

Jeff Jarvis (02:05:14):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:15):
It's basically an a of them deciding what movies they create. So, okay. Yeah. I can see that. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (02:05:21):
That's that's a point. That's interesting Stacy.

Leo Laporte (02:05:23):
Yeah. Would you buy a cookbook based on

Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:28):

Leo Laporte (02:05:30):
Yeah. Of any kind. How about maybe think about this based on 50 recipes found in the world's biggest email leak, email leaks, that would be no, sir. Featuring WikiLeaks and Hillary Clinton, as well as the pizza gate scandal exchanges between staff and the world's most influential companies like Enron and Sony, the leaked recipes, cookbook showcases 50 recipes, including the very best cookie and a secret barbecue sauce among other. It's not just a cookbook. It's an insight into office culture, politics, corruption, hacking family and friendship. Oh, why

Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:07):
I would a hundred percent buy it. It would be a great gift to give someone like me who is a journalist who also likes to cook. I would just say that would be, that's a fun gift. I think

Leo Laporte (02:06:17):
It's interesting because it

Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:18):
Is it's. It's cool to see like cuz

Leo Laporte (02:06:21):
Yeah. Cause it's the whole, it has the email, the author made the recipes.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:28):
I was gonna say, are these tested?

Leo Laporte (02:06:30):
Yes. That's important. Yes. In fact, the images are hysterical. Here's pecan and pumpkin bread with a, I don't know, a pocket computer associated with it. This is 35 euros from JBE books. It's written by Demetria gloss. And some of these are some of these recipes have redacted redacted. Oh boy. I love the pictures. Cur you should be

Jeff Jarvis (02:06:53):
Should redact celery in anything

Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:57):
Moms. The, we, I think these are, I mean, think about if I, I have this instant flashback to all the recipes I've shared with people via email. Yeah. So or slack. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:07:09):
Yeah. Scored, thank you to for discovering that one from Dimitri glass and photographer. Emily BS, the leaked rest is peace cookbook. Fascinating, fascinating

Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:26):
Thing of the week or are we still

Leo Laporte (02:07:29):
Yes, let's do what I just we're gonna do a thing of the week. I just wanna mention in passing, I had never heard this guy's name. He was the co inventor of ethernet passed away at the age of 71. He was an intern at the Xerox park research lab in 19 73, 1 afternoon in the basement of the lab. He noticed another researcher tinkering with a long strand of cable, the researcher, another new hire named Bob Metcal, who we do know was exploring ways of sending information to and from the lab's new computer. The Alto, Mr. Metcal was trying to send electrical pulses down the cable. He was struggling to make it work. Mr. Boggs offered to help over the next two years, they designed the first version of ethernet.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:08:17):
Surprisingly, even though Bob Metcalf mentions ethernet every time you talk to him, he's never mentioned no this fellow

Leo Laporte (02:08:25):
Well, that's the thing I never heard this guy's name. Metcalf did say in an interview with the New York times, he was a perfect partner for me. I was more of a concept artist. He was a build the hardware in the back, an engineer, everybody who has the idea needs somebody who can make it. So bogs was, I guess Mr. Met KA Burke. He was the guy who I don't.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:08:46):
He was his was, was

Leo Laporte (02:08:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's, you know, we should mention it. David Reeve, Reeves bogs passed away at the age of 71 this week also we're getting to

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:00):
That point where we pretty regularly are. Oh yeah. Paying tribute to people, the technologies we're using

Leo Laporte (02:09:06):
Now. Yeah. Aaron more and more. We're getting that time of life. All right. Let's take a little pause, a little breath, a little breather. I was gonna mention the new U C I E chips stand. I was gonna mention the success of risk five. All of these were stories to welcome Stacy back, but you know, just read her, you know, it's okay. Stacy on IOT newsletter. I'm sure she'll she'll talk. I had put a lot of chip stories in here to celebrate your return.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:33):
I did see that. I was like, oh, feel like I needed, what

Leo Laporte (02:09:36):
Is you? I E what is that? I have

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:40):
No idea.

Leo Laporte (02:09:40):
Okay. Yeah. It's

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:43):

Leo Laporte (02:09:44):
AMD Intel and arm supported. It's an interconnect universal.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:49):
Oh yeah, this is

Leo Laporte (02:09:51):
Yeah. It's interconnect.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:52):
This is not something I know about infrastructure. This is because it was launch. Yes. All

Leo Laporte (02:09:59):
Right. We'll be hearing about it tomorrow on Stacy on,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:10:02):
Yeah, let me know. Let me read about it. Today's that I was recording my show for,

Leo Laporte (02:10:06):
Let us pause when we return the picks of the week, the things of the week and, and that sort of thing.

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Leo Laporte (02:10:48):
Let's kick things off with Stacy Higginbotham and her thing of the week, Stacy,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:10:56):
This week's thing is actually an app helping or because of a thing. So apple air tags, we all know and love or are worried about being stalked by. And we've talked how apple, we talked about how apple released an app for Android users, but a German engineering school. No, a German university. That's the word I'm looking for has released. I'm looking for it. An Android monitoring app. I, I, I thought there was gonna be an ad for me to look this up. Sorry. Y'all

Leo Laporte (02:11:31):
I did it very fast. Just, I was

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:33):
Like, oh

Leo Laporte (02:11:34):
My God, to make you it's

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:35):
Time to pull

Leo Laporte (02:11:36):
This up. Easy. Apple released its own Android app tracker detect, which really isn't that good. And it's an issue. If you have an iPhone, the iPhone will say there's been a, there's an hair tag tracking you, but if you don't have an iPhone, you're kind of in the dark. So good. What is, what is this app called?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:56):
I can't find

Leo Laporte (02:11:57):
It already know. That's a good name for an air tank three times. I can't find it. Oh, that's so good. Stacy is in extremist. Oh man. We need to make a Jiff. Oh, no.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:12:10):
Sorry. It's that

Leo Laporte (02:12:11):
Was, it's an a actually have four Android. Oh yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:12:18):
Yes. And they built it be and they they're making it better. It, it does seem to be a little bit more active now because it's on an Android phone. It doesn't go off. It it's gonna notify you much less often. Right? Because it doesn't have access to the Bluetooth can trolls, I guess. But you get a notification and it, it, you're also part of a giant research project. I should tell you when you download this app and like 125,000 people have downloaded it so far, you become part of their research into this. And they're very upfront. You have to share all location permissions even while the app is not being used. So you may get a little weirded out by that. Just so you know, and, but it seems to be really good. It's it's notified me, my husband put an air tag on me for wandering around over the weekend. It worked. I also got a random one that I realized was my friend that I was hanging out with. So yeah, I, I, I don't know. It, it seems to be pretty good. And

Leo Laporte (02:13:28):
After ignore battery optimization, that's a Samsung thing I'm just doing no,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:33):
I had to do it on my pixel too.

Leo Laporte (02:13:35):
Oh, you did? Okay, good. Yeah,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:36):
I had to,

Leo Laporte (02:13:36):
Yeah. I'm participating in the study. I'm all set. Okay. And now it will tell me if there're trackers in my neighborhood. Huh? That's cool.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:45):
Yeah. So it shows me like, here are all the air tags that have been discovered in my neighborhood or are around me lately. So it tracks all that

Leo Laporte (02:13:53):
It's tracking right now. Let's see. Cause there are quite a few air tags in this environ. Let's see if it finds any it, I mean it didn't here. Let me put, let me just put this air tag right on top of it and

Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:10):
Give it, is it

Leo Laporte (02:14:11):
A minute? This is the problem I had with the apple device as well. The apple app for Android and I maybe it's a, it's a limitation of, I was gonna say Android,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:20):
Let it run for half an hour. Okay. And then see if you don't find it.

Leo Laporte (02:14:24):
Okay. but it's not something you could walk into a room and see air tags in the room because it's not,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:28):
But that's not what this is designed. That's not what the original app is designed

Leo Laporte (02:14:32):
To. Do I understand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:33):

Leo Laporte (02:14:33):
Okay. And what's nice. It does allow you to ignore some. So if you have some of your, of your own, you, you would wanna do it. Okay. Oh, I had, I have to turn on B BLE, which was not on, so you do, that was not on. So maybe that was part of the, part of the problem. Let's do another manual scan with Bluetooth, low energy turned on. T's doing it as well. Did you find anything? Nope. Show all devices. It's kinda same problem I had with the apple app

Stacey Higginbotham (02:15:09):
Again, check it in half an hour.

Leo Laporte (02:15:10):
I'll leave it right.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:15:11):
The or an yeah,

Leo Laporte (02:15:12):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:15:13):
Yeah, yeah. Cuz your gun it'll, it'll pop up. Mine. Didn't pop up with anything. Even though there are air tags hanging out with me, you know, constantly,

Leo Laporte (02:15:20):
And Apple's doing everything you can to be fair. There are even better ways to do this. Like you know, these little inexpensive GPS devices, which are much more accurate. The, the reason it's air, air tags are in issues. Cuz there's so many iPhones out there

Stacey Higginbotham (02:15:34):
They're so ubiquitous.

Leo Laporte (02:15:35):
Yeah. That it really is a,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:15:36):
It's the same reason. It

Leo Laporte (02:15:38):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:15:38):
That Google search like Google getting your name and Google search engine is such a problem for people because everyone uses it. Anyway. That was my thing.

Leo Laporte (02:15:50):
Excellent. Excellent. Jeff, do you wanna, I, I see you tweeted about Ukraine, radio. You wanna, is that one of your things or you just wanna talk about that tweeted

Jeff Jarvis (02:15:59):
It cuz I

Stacey Higginbotham (02:16:01):
Tiktok crinkle cake quickly

Leo Laporte (02:16:02):
Tiktok crinkle cake could do

Jeff Jarvis (02:16:03):
That. We could do tick Crile cake. BBC just announced they're gonna start shortwave in Ukraine and Russia, which I, I don't know. How do you have you, you have a short

Leo Laporte (02:16:15):
Wave radio? I do. I think, I wonder if they're more common in other countries when I was a kid that was the best thing to do. In fact, I listened to radio Moscow all the time. Yeah I do too. I do. Yeah. I wonder how many people have shortwave these?

Jeff Jarvis (02:16:27):
Oh, we became communists.

Leo Laporte (02:16:28):
Yeah. We're that's right. This information, right? That's

Jeff Jarvis (02:16:31):
No, I, I, I decided to do this week in, in crypto because we have the the guardian test runs a, an NFT vending machine, Which I put in my quarter and nothing came out is

Leo Laporte (02:16:46):

Jeff Jarvis (02:16:47):
How that works. But

Leo Laporte (02:16:51):
So you don't get anything when you, when you buy it

Jeff Jarvis (02:16:54):
You got some kind of box or something to say, you're a schmuck. You

Leo Laporte (02:16:56):
Just wanna, there are only two products. You could buy a color for $5 and 99 cents and a party pigeon for $420 and 69 cents. Haha. Wow. This is this is basically a scam, I would guess. Although, but it's a fun scam, you know it's smart because by having the party pigeon four to $20 thing, the 5 99 for a color seems like a deal. Oh yeah. And you go rack up on a five 90. It's like, oh wow. I'm not, obviously you have to be an idiot. Buy the party pigeon let's just buy the color. It's only $6. Right. Right.

Jeff Jarvis (02:17:35):
And then we also have elsewhere in, in cool land. A social club says the New York times runs on crypto tokens and vibes, friends with benefits. Get it is a VIP lounge for crypto's creative class.

Leo Laporte (02:17:50):
Oh it's just like the Adel. Foundation's gonna say it's for con artists. It's gonna have great, great artists. And we are going have wonderful food everywhere. Friends with benefits, VIP lounge for crypto's creative class, man. Those are the people I want to hang out with.

Jeff Jarvis (02:18:08):
It's a Dow of course

Leo Laporte (02:18:10):
That wow. The chef, the chef is named belly man 

Jeff Jarvis (02:18:21):
6,000 unique token holders.

Leo Laporte (02:18:25):

Jeff Jarvis (02:18:27):
And raised 10 million from investment last year, including else. But at recent Horowits.

Leo Laporte (02:18:33):
Yeah. Cuz they're the big pushers of all of this.

Jeff Jarvis (02:18:36):
You know, I have a theory here. So I'm working on a, on a proposal for something. I wonder how different the internet would be and our attitudes toward it would be if it weren't run by bro

Leo Laporte (02:18:49):
DCS, these guys. Well

Jeff Jarvis (02:18:51):
Not too, but bros. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:18:54):
Bros, man, this club is really run down. This is a dump. Okay. Yeah. I can't wait to hang out with these guys that looks so much fun. Do they have a space heater in there somewhere? There's what is that? Yeah, there's a little space heater. Yeah this is this is a quality quality place.

Jeff Jarvis (02:19:16):
So they debate things like whether to spend $20,000 from the treasury to develop a member's only subscription coffee service.

Leo Laporte (02:19:22):
Sure. Why not? It's just money Sanka and

Ant Pruitt (02:19:26):
Your cup.

Leo Laporte (02:19:29):

Jeff Jarvis (02:19:30):
You're old. Anthony. You're old.

Leo Laporte (02:19:33):
Bob Dylan is getting in the NFT train. Right? This is yours.

Jeff Jarvis (02:19:39):
Yeah. This is mine too. Yep.

Leo Laporte (02:19:42):
Did you post the wrong article? Cause I only see stuff about the, the hell I see the nice work posted. How does that happen? He posted an article about why the Ramones never had any hits, which is fascinating, but they just,

Jeff Jarvis (02:19:54):
They should have some NFTs. Yeah. oh hell what, where was

Leo Laporte (02:19:57):
That? Sorry, Bob. Dylan is getting into NFTs with snow crash. Yes. You know, I could see how somebody like Dylan could be talked into, you know, maybe you can make some nice. If you

Stacey Higginbotham (02:20:10):
Have your own alcohol, you probably have your own

Leo Laporte (02:20:13):
NFT. Yeah, exactly. So oh, there's gonna be a miles Davis NFT as well. This is a Solan marketplace called snow crash. What, what can I get a Bob Dylan NFT drop.

Ant Pruitt (02:20:31):
I put it on 1 95. I found

Leo Laporte (02:20:33):
It just doesn't really seem like a good use of my money.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:20:37):
Oh Leo, can you do

Jeff Jarvis (02:20:38):
It? I haven't go ahead.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:20:40):
Oh, I have an update from you. Hot from the Twitter about your domain name.

Leo Laporte (02:20:46):
Layout is yeah,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:20:48):
No about you actually, according to my artist on Twitter. Yeah. You have 71 domains. It says. So at the top of the list that you were showing

Jeff Jarvis (02:20:57):
Andrew win,

Ant Pruitt (02:21:00):
It was at the very top.

Leo Laporte (02:21:01):
We should have done this in the, in a dating game. It would've been,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:21:06):
I, I was like, oh, I find just checked Twitter. So I feel like I should probably do that, I guess. So.

Leo Laporte (02:21:12):
I don't know. Oh yeah. Domain 71. Yeah. It says it right there. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much. And,

Jeff Jarvis (02:21:20):
And, and it's a dark mode. You think you'd be able to read it better?

Leo Laporte (02:21:23):
Yeah, there it is. Well, that's not very many. All right. Call you. So carry on that. Fan's got hundred. He had a hundred when you got married. He's probably got thousands now.

Jeff Jarvis (02:21:34):
Oh, so Stacy, did you do the over or the under, when you, when in your, in your engagement party, did Andrew have more or less than you thought?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:21:41):
Oh, way more. I mean, who is 2002 would think you would have that many domains?

Leo Laporte (02:21:49):
Come on. What what other questions I'm really curious were there? I have too now in this fun context,

Jeff Jarvis (02:21:56):
What did they ask about? What did they ask him about you?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:21:59):
Oh, I don't know.

Leo Laporte (02:22:00):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:22:01):
That's I really don't remember. Is there a video, but I just remembered the

Leo Laporte (02:22:03):
Domain. There's a video somewhere, right? Somebody made it's

Stacey Higginbotham (02:22:06):

Leo Laporte (02:22:06):
Two. Yeah. There's a video.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:22:08):
If it, if it was it on a flip, maybe

Leo Laporte (02:22:15):
An your thing of the week. 

Ant Pruitt (02:22:18):
First I want to give a shout out to Maxon because they're continuing to create some content for video creators that are wanting to do more visual effects and they have released their schedule for this year for free online webinars for people to get into training with stuff like cinema four D and red giant, and you know, just a lot of visual effects software that you can use for your video.

Leo Laporte (02:22:44):
Nice. Best known for of course cinema 4d. Yep. Yep,

Ant Pruitt (02:22:47):
Yep. Something I still don't know yet. Cuz it scares the crap out.

Leo Laporte (02:22:50):
Yeah, me too. I look at it every time I go. Okay. And Redshift is I don't know what Redshift

Ant Pruitt (02:22:56):
Is. Red giant red,

Leo Laporte (02:22:57):

Ant Pruitt (02:22:57):
Red giant. They do a lot of particles and stuff. Ah, a lot of plugins. Cool. But yeah, I wanted to give them a shout out. So I saw it outta my box today. And then next I want to shout out Ms. Terry, Terry Porter. I met Ms. Terry this weekend. You

Leo Laporte (02:23:12):
Were on a sailboat. I saw those sailboat. I was very jealous with my buddy, Chris, Michael. I love

Ant Pruitt (02:23:18):
Oh man. It was so much fun. I was invited by Flipboard and Mr. Jefferson Graham, who's been on the show just to come out and do a little photo shoot on the boat.

Leo Laporte (02:23:29):
Boom. Do we have any pictures from Ant Pruitt?

Ant Pruitt (02:23:32):
I put some in my little Flipboard gallery down. Oh nice. That why? But Ms. Terry was this little old lady. She was so funny and just had a good time. And she knew about twit cuz she used to watch iOS today. And she said she remembers watching TWI when she first got her iPad and how she enjoyed TWI. But I just wanted to give her a shout. She was just a nice lady and just fun to talk to. And we didn't freeze out there in the water. Like I thought we would I got home and my bed was spending, but okay.

Leo Laporte (02:24:03):
Oh I love that.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:24:03):
I love how my bed rocks. After, after you've been on a boat,

Ant Pruitt (02:24:06):
My bed was spinning. Wasn't rocking, spinning. I was so sick.

Leo Laporte (02:24:11):
But you weren't sick on the boat just when you got home.

Ant Pruitt (02:24:14):
I was on the boat and it's probably cuz I was driving a whole lot.

Leo Laporte (02:24:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ant Pruitt (02:24:18):
You know, so it was,

Leo Laporte (02:24:19):
It was a lot. I love this picture of you. Did Chris Michael take this?

Ant Pruitt (02:24:22):
That was yep. Chris

Leo Laporte (02:24:24):
And it must be his like a, I love it that he let that the, that be red and everything else is Mora.

Ant Pruitt (02:24:29):
I love that shot. I love that shot. That shot. I, I had the best that gun time. And I remember sitting there just thinking, you know, this is a photo opportunity for me, but here recently, I don't know if it's because of the way COVID has made us think differently, but I, I, I had to put my camera down and I just take it in, in and just, just enjoying the moment. But it is just a, one of the best times of my life.

Leo Laporte (02:24:53):
That's fun. It was a sailboat.

Ant Pruitt (02:24:54):
Yeah. On the sailboat.

Leo Laporte (02:24:55):
Isn't that nice? Oh, it

Ant Pruitt (02:24:56):
Was great. But

Leo Laporte (02:24:57):
I, some years ago before your time we bought an auction, a a sail around the bay on the, in Humphrey. Bogart's old sailboat that somebody at the school auctioned off right around the bay and we took the TWI team. It was a long time ago. But we took the tweet team and went out in the sail. It was really, and I, it was really

Ant Pruitt (02:25:19):
Fun and getting out there at sunset, you know, and being able to watch the sunset on the bay there, it's just, just beautiful. And I put, I put a couple of shots up on my site for, for prints. If people wanna order 'em hand, but it was just a great, great

Leo Laporte (02:25:36):
Experience. Nice.

Ant Pruitt (02:25:37):
And you good? Lastly, I want to say good luck to the little weird of, and the hardhead is

Leo Laporte (02:25:43):
What's going on with the hardhead.

Ant Pruitt (02:25:44):
This is her opening week for track season.

Leo Laporte (02:25:47):
Oh, the niece.

Ant Pruitt (02:25:50):
Yep. My little niece she's wanted, she wanted to learn how to do hurdles. So I taught her on that and she's doing really Daum good. I can't wait. I see what she

Leo Laporte (02:25:59):
Does. Like you make the camera distorted every time she steps. That's fun. I've

Ant Pruitt (02:26:06):
Had a lot of fun working with her and the coaches have been working with her and I'm just, just really pumped up about it. And the hard head he's wanting to defend his title. He he pulled a hamstring last week, but he may still be able to run this week. We'll see. But this is my little niece. That's better. You can turn audio.

Leo Laporte (02:26:24):
Oh yeah. I should. Cuz there's probably some screaming involved.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:28):
Probably Ant screaming. It

Leo Laporte (02:26:29):

Ant Pruitt (02:26:29):
It was some pearls of wisdom. That was

Leo Laporte (02:26:32):
That's beautiful.

Ant Pruitt (02:26:34):
And then he wanted to do a trailer for himself.

Leo Laporte (02:26:37):
Oh this is hysterical. I saw this. This is good Ant. This is so much fun. Oh this is great. What do you use for the effects?

Ant Pruitt (02:26:48):
Lemme see, that was a mix of stuff in resolve as well as in

Leo Laporte (02:26:51):
Premier. I love that. The boom,

Ant Pruitt (02:26:53):
Boom. I have no life. So I used to sit around and

Leo Laporte (02:26:55):
That's really great doing, I love for every time she steps. It goes, boom. She go

Ant Pruitt (02:27:04):
Crush it though. I last

Leo Laporte (02:27:06):
One. I'm looking forward. Get

Speaker 11 (02:27:07):
Setting, knee up. Get it down.

Leo Laporte (02:27:09):
You're are you the coach? I am. Oh, nice. Lead

Speaker 11 (02:27:12):
Leg up. Get it right back down. Cuz you are running. You're not

Ant Pruitt (02:27:15):

Leo Laporte (02:27:16):
That's right. That's words of wisdom from coach Pruitt. Yes. Coach, coach gonna go over that hurdle. Get, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it. Oh yeah. That's scary. She did. She got it. She did it. That's hard to do who that

Ant Pruitt (02:27:33):
Was. I'm I'm pretty. I'm pretty

Leo Laporte (02:27:34):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:34):
Can I get, can I get you an to do some sound things for me when I'm doing my workout? If you could just be like, get it, get it, get it, get it go. And I'll play it at the right moment.

Leo Laporte (02:27:43):
Get it.

Ant Pruitt (02:27:44):
I got you.

Leo Laporte (02:27:46):
They should build that. The

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:47):
Like when I'm doing my, my 2000 meter row,

Leo Laporte (02:27:50):
The whoop band and

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:51):
I can just be like,

Leo Laporte (02:27:53):
That'd be good in the whoop band. I'd pay for that.

Ant Pruitt (02:27:55):
That's not

Leo Laporte (02:27:56):
Enough. Keep pulling, keep pulling.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:58):
There we go. Exactly. Cause like you get, you get to that last 500. You hit that, you know, 1500 mark. And you're like, oh my God, Diane, I'm

Leo Laporte (02:28:06):
Everything you

Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:07):
Got. But you, you gotta do it appropriately. You know you got cause you got 500, but you know, you're still got like three and a half more minutes of rowing. You gotta do. So

Ant Pruitt (02:28:16):
These four kids, I I'll tell you. They, they love and hate our relationship. I'll just say that cuz they won't me help them out. You're

Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:24):
The coach. Well, I could turn you off when I'm done. I won't

Leo Laporte (02:28:28):
My door. If you're in my whoop band, I could Justo the

Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:31):
Whoop band. I'll be like, and we're done here. An

Leo Laporte (02:28:35):
Jeff Jarvis. Thank you so much. He He's at Jeff jar is in the Twitter, but most of all, he's the director of the town eye center for entrepreneurial journalism at the

Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:49):
No more

Leo Laporte (02:28:50):
Graduate school of journalism at the city. University of New York. Jeff. Thank you, boss. Appreciate your contributions. You and I were going, sitting the rocking chair and think about this. Yeah, exactly.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:04):
Well, I will definitely not be hanging out with you on the front porch. Good morning. I'm

Leo Laporte (02:29:08):
Already out a few years left.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:11):
You got a bucket. Hey Leo, do you have a bucket list?

Leo Laporte (02:29:14):
I don't but I was just thinking the other day that if I had a bucket list I would get, I would do a Panama canal crossing on that bucket list. Oh, cause I've done the Suez canal. Nice. I think I'm gonna do all the canals. Maybe that'll be it. Do it. I forgot. I gotta

Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:29):
Travel Erie canal. Do it. Erie canal

Leo Laporte (02:29:31):
Around you know, in 2024, we're taking a river boat from St. Paul, Minnesota to new Orleans.

Ant Pruitt (02:29:41):
Oh man.

Leo Laporte (02:29:41):
Don't know if we go through the EIE canal, mark

Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:44):
Twain. EIE canals.

Leo Laporte (02:29:46):
There is a VI

Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:47):

Leo Laporte (02:29:47):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:48):
Of in New York.

Leo Laporte (02:29:49):
Yeah. Yeah. I know it's a narrow, I don't know this geography thing, but the same cruise company Viking does a river cruise that does go through the EIE canal and through the great lakes. So that'd be kind of fun. A great that would cool. You. Yeah. I see America first. You know what I'm saying? Pruit, O P. He's also our community manager in the fantabulous club tour discord. You have had some great events lately. What's coming up anything.

Ant Pruitt (02:30:19):
Well, we just had Mr. Oh, Dr. O JJ stone. Yeah. Oh

Leo Laporte (02:30:24):
Wow. How that

Ant Pruitt (02:30:25):
A little bit about you, Mr. Jarvis, we have coming up a insight TWI conversation. I believe it's on the 17th of March with Mr. Michael. Sergeant's gonna host our very own Mr. Patrick Dhan.

Leo Laporte (02:30:39):
This is something Michael wanted to do and I'm really glad he is doing. And he said, you know, you interview all the hosts. We should interview the people who make all this possible. So, oh yeah. Yeah. And so Patrick Delehanty, who's our, our, our coder, our, our engineer, one of the engineering team. And he's in Boston, but he'll be great. And John, you gotta do it John, and be Gotta do it.

Ant Pruitt (02:31:02):
Gotta do it from day one and they do it.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:31:05):
Can I interview, can I interview Burke?

Leo Laporte (02:31:08):
Oh God

Ant Pruitt (02:31:09):
Burke. Maybe that'll do it.

Leo Laporte (02:31:11):
Stacy will interview you. How about that?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:31:12):

Ant Pruitt (02:31:13):
On, man.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:31:14):
I don't know anything about, well, I don't know. I interview John too.

Leo Laporte (02:31:17):
Has stories to tell he does. And you know what? He's from Texas. So you two get along really well together. I think

Ant Pruitt (02:31:21):
He does. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:31:22):
He, he likes the same science fiction books as I do. So.

Leo Laporte (02:31:26):
All right. Burke, Burke, Burke, Burke.

Ant Pruitt (02:31:29):
When I officially got the title, I, I had already said, Hey, I want, I want to talk to these guys because they

Leo Laporte (02:31:35):
Kept looking at people, hear their names, but they don't get to know. I was like,

Ant Pruitt (02:31:38):
No, don't want to be on the,

Leo Laporte (02:31:39):
They they're smart. They, they realize the hazard of what

Jeff Jarvis (02:31:41):
About, what about scooter X?

Ant Pruitt (02:31:43):
Scooter. X

Leo Laporte (02:31:44):
Is yeah. Our chat manager. Our chat. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (02:31:47):
Yeah. Maybe some others in the chat.

Leo Laporte (02:31:49):
I think the chat, the chat MOS kind of like to stay anonymous. Yeah. They don't, they don't want anybody. Yeah. That's true. They've been targeted. They gonna target on their back. I think OzNet and scooter X and some of the others would be fantastic. You

Jeff Jarvis (02:32:03):
Could do one of those, those, you know, changed.

Leo Laporte (02:32:06):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:32:07):
And silhouette behind the,

Leo Laporte (02:32:09):
Yeah, that'd be fine.

Jeff Jarvis (02:32:10):
Yeah. I like that.

Ant Pruitt (02:32:11):
Put his put of

Jeff Jarvis (02:32:12):
Bag over the head with eyes and yeah. And then like scooter X, huh?

Leo Laporte (02:32:17):
Stacy's book. Club's coming up March 24th of the ancillary copyright bread. That'll be great. That'll be really great. I will, I will mention, I'll mention to Corey that you're gonna do that. Maybe we can get him to pop in as the author. That will be cool. Paul throt at the end of the month. Yeah, he

Stacey Higginbotham (02:32:34):
Could. He could lead the book club actually, if he wants, if he wants

Ant Pruitt (02:32:39):
It, could I,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:32:40):
I feel listen to him

Leo Laporte (02:32:41):
And I could really didn't get the idea here. Be like pulling out Marshall. Mccluen saying you have no idea. You have no idea what my work means. So if you're not a member of club trade there's

Jeff Jarvis (02:32:55):
Many of my

Leo Laporte (02:32:56):
Work, nothing of my work. How did you get to be a professor? I if you are not a member of club TWI that TV slash club TWI, it really is the best seven bucks you'll spend this month. That's right. It's it's fantastic.

Ant Pruitt (02:33:08):
Just one coffee a month folks.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:33:10):
Oh yeah. That's where you can put the image of me searching for the, the set

Ant Pruitt (02:33:16):
Don't have the morning mistakes.

Leo Laporte (02:33:17):
That is a mean I've

Ant Pruitt (02:33:19):
Already, I've already,

Leo Laporte (02:33:20):
We gotta add that to our animated gift collection. Wow. That's a great meme. I

Ant Pruitt (02:33:26):
Should have that in the morning that

Leo Laporte (02:33:29):
I think you will. I think you will. Stacy, Higginbotham always a pleasure. We welcome you back with open arms. I hope you enjoy that fine rack. 10 Cobo book reader. Just

Stacey Higginbotham (02:33:42):
All the review ready for next week. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:33:44):
Will you?

Ant Pruitt (02:33:46):
She says the what? Oh, that thing,

Leo Laporte (02:33:47):
That thing you threw in the box, that thing as it was going out the

Stacey Higginbotham (02:33:50):
Door, I've been using it as a coaster. Oh

Leo Laporte (02:33:52):
God. Okay, next time. I'll put something better in there. You got the flip. The flips are pretty good thing. That's a nice thing.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:34:01):
I, I, I'm not looking a gift tour in the ma I just was confused. I was like,

Leo Laporte (02:34:06):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:34:06):
Is this, this too?

Leo Laporte (02:34:07):
I didn't want this. I never asked for this. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:34:09):
I thought that in later

Leo Laporte (02:34:11):
As I did it, I thought, well, this could be good. I could have a reputation as kind of a, a wa that when you, I send you things, I throw extra stuff in the, in the box. Just, you never know what you're gonna get.

Jeff Jarvis (02:34:22):
I, I do think there's a business in getting a Leo box on subscribe

Leo Laporte (02:34:25):
To the Leo. Oh

Ant Pruitt (02:34:26):
Yeah. Yeah. I,

Leo Laporte (02:34:28):
I mean fine. Vintage electronics. Yeah. Thank you. Stacy. Stacy on IOT is her website. Subscribe to the news there. It's free. Take a look at the events. And of course the podcast she does with Kevin, TOFL where she puts the really good

Ant Pruitt (02:34:41):
Stuff. Oh, I didn't plug my. Can

Stacey Higginbotham (02:34:44):
I ask a question? Okay. Wait, can I oh,

Ant Pruitt (02:34:46):
Okay. Yeah, go ahead. Miss Stacy.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:34:48):
Here's the thing, because it actually came from you Leo. So you should know the 359th episode, I wasn't here to promote. It actually interviewed Peter Lewis, who was the man who came up with the I O T phrase back in 1985. Cool. So if y'all are interested in the follow up there, Peter Lewis episode 3 59, and it's about 40 minutes in, so

Leo Laporte (02:35:14):

Ant Pruitt (02:35:14):

Leo Laporte (02:35:16):
Excellent. So thank you. I will listen into that. That's great. And your show, Ant, what do you wanna plug?

Ant Pruitt (02:35:21):
I wanted to plug hands on photography, TWI that TV slash hop. And thank you to everybody. That's been watching the show and tweeting me every week or sending me messages on Instagram and so forth. Cuz y'all are, are really watching the show and seeing, yeah, they love it information. And now we got people on Twitter that watch TWiG as well shooting that's good shooting, bird photography, miss in just shooting bird photography. And now miss Stacy apparently is gonna start shooting bird photography. And

Stacey Higginbotham (02:35:49):
Oh, I, yeah, that

Jeff Jarvis (02:35:50):
Was fun to see you talking. I loved, I loved that Twitter exchange you two had, oh man. Stacy asked you for advice and you come back in with it. It was really nice moment. Oh,

Ant Pruitt (02:35:58):
Oh my gosh. I I've been enjoying my time on, on Twitter because it's, it's good people that follow me and I follow in. It's a lot of fun conversations. It's just warms my heart, but yeah, this week, we're gonna get into street photography because that's a popular request and I'm looking forward to y'all checking that out.

Leo Laporte (02:36:17):
Excellent. Thank you all for being here. We do this week in Google, every Wednesday afternoon, 2:00 PM. Pacific 5:00 PM. Eastern 2200 UTC that you can watch us do it There's live audio and video streams there. If you're watching live, of course you could chat live. We always have a chat remote That's where you'll find scooter X in the gang. You'll also find many of us in our discord chat. The club, TWI discord chat

Jeff Jarvis (02:36:45):
Memes up plenty.

Leo Laporte (02:36:47):
No man, the HOA, the home of the animated gift. You can also get on demand versions of the show. After the fact, everything we do is available on the website, In this case, there's a YouTube channel dedicated to TWiG as well. And of course you can subscribe in your favorite podcast client and get a copy of it. The minute it's available, audio or video, leave us a five star review. Everyone will be grateful. While you're in there subscribing, you might wanna subscribe to our newest show. Rod pile and TARC. Mallek have a brand new show launching Friday this week in space. There couldn't be a better time to cover the space, race space, exploration, space science there's so much going on. Rod's of course the editor in chief of that Astra magazine a part of the national space society and toric So they're both really expert in what's going on in boy these days. There's a ton.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:37:45):
Please tell me they call it in space.

Speaker 12 (02:37:49):
This space

Leo Laporte (02:37:51):
TWIT that TV slash twist there is gonna be YouTube channel, but it's audio only. So it'll just be a picture of them smiling, I guess. I don't know it's gonna be a still we're capturing, but, but we decided to do this one. Audio only, we launched it in the club. Thanks to club TWI members for supporting it. I think we're very excited. This is gonna be a fun new show. This weekend space launches. So to speak on Friday. Thanks everybody for joining us. We'll see you this week in Google. Bye. Bye.

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