This Week in Google Episode 650 Transcript

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Leo Laporte: (00:00)
It's time for twig, This Week in Google, Stacey, Jeff and Ant are all here. We'll talk about Galaxy S 22 ultra Samsung's biggest phone yet the international space station coming to earth somewhere near you. Uh, Jeff's got a great story about the last time that happened and, uh, Mark Zuckerberg and team considering Lee, even Europe, it's all coming up next a quick reminder, by the way, well it's time for our annual audience survey. The survey helps us understand you better helps us with advertisers, but it also helps us do content that you like. If you want to help, it'll only take a few minutes, just go to twit.tv/survey 22. It's our 2022 TWiT survey once a year, completely voluntary, but it sure would help. Thanks in advance now on with a show.

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Leo Laporte: (02:27)
It's time for TWIG. I had to think, what show am I doing? This is time for twig This Week in Google a show where we get together and chat, chit chat about all sorts of stuff with Stacey Higginbotham from Stacey on Iot.com giga Stacey on the Twitter. Hello, Stacey.

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:45)
Hello. I always have this like eighties sitcom moment where I'm like, hi everybody.

Leo Laporte: (02:50)
It is it's very much. Can you throw your hat in the air and, and change the world with your smile? That would be awesome. You are kind of the Mary Tyler Moore of this show, which means Jeff Jarvis is the Lou Grant of the show. Mary... Jeff Jarvis is your Lenard Tow professor for journalistic innovation at the Craig, Craig Newmark graduate school of journalism at the City University of New York and our very own you're you're a little curmudgeonly. You've always been. Your name was, uh, he's glaring at me. Your name was, uh, invoked on the Tech Guy show. We were talking about the fact that the international space station is gonna be de orbited and uh, into the ocean. And of course the famous story. And since Ant hasn't heard it, I'm gonna introduce Ant and then I'm gonna let you tell that story. Okay. I'm gonna tell the story. Ant is also here from Hands on Photography.

Ant Pruitt : (03:48)
And aged out that conversation about.

Leo Laporte: (03:49)
Aged out completely as, as both. You and Stacey are too young to remember this, but, uh, uh, Ant also is, uh, the, uh, content manager. The actually we call him the membership. What do you call? What do we call?

Jeff Jarvis: (04:02)
Yeah, he, he doesn't manage. He manages people and relationships

Leo Laporte: (04:05)
Of love the guy, the guy in our club club TWI. And you have arranged he's the love manager, a fun event for this Friday. The love manager has arranged for on the Love Boat.

Ant Pruitt : (04:21)
A gastronomad experience. Yes. Mr. Mike ELGAN hosted by you, the chief TWiTon Friday in the mirror. Yep. 4:00 PM. Pacific.

Leo Laporte: (04:33)
It's gonna be exciting. Yep. It's gonna be exciting. Uh, so Ant in 19 nine, were you born? No, you weren't even.

Jeff Jarvis: (04:43)
Oh, oh no. Don't Jesus. Don't do that to me. Were you born? I

Ant Pruitt : (04:46)
Was born. You were born, but you were like one, I, I won't say how old I was, but I was born. Stacey was not,

Jeff Jarvis: (04:52)
I was born by wait

Leo Laporte: (04:54)
Nineteen seventy three, nine, nine oh nine.

Stacey Higginbotham: (04:56)
Yes. Yes. I was born. I was one.

Leo Laporte: (04:58)
Uh, you were too young probably to read the San Francisco examiner. However, I was a devoted, I was not able to read devoted fan.

Jeff Jarvis: (05:07)
Uh, I'm surprised Stacey. I thought you were quite had advanced class

Leo Laporte: (05:12)
Advance. Yes. Uh, tell us the story cuz Sky Lab. Uh, well I guess go ahead.

Jeff Jarvis: (05:19)
Well, Sky Lab was a satellite that was up there was we of the astronauts working ended up ahead of the international space station and, and it, and it had its day. Um, and, um, uh, was going to come back to earth. And, uh, there was much nervousness about where it was gonna come. And NASA was saying, no, no, no, no problem, no problem at all. We, we got in control, but still there nervousness and I worked on the San Francisco Examiner was right across the hall from the San Francisco Chronicle and a joint publishing agreement. And we shared the same composing room. So we weren't supposed to be at all in each other's business, but of course we're nosy journalists. So I went out there and I saw that they had a promotion coming up for Sky Lab insurance, that if a reader, a subscriber to the Chronicle got hit by falling pieces of Sky Lab and lost their life or a limb, they would get money from the Chronicle. And this was gonna break on, I think, the Monday or something.

Leo Laporte: (06:11)
And by the way, this is mostly a joke cuz the years, this, of course the water and the chance of you being hit by this Sky Lab is pretty slim. So it's a safe bet. And a lot of newspapers did this. This is a very common Promotion

Jeff Jarvis: (06:22)
So we thought we, we, we said, how can we beat the Chronicle to this? And we talked about it and I said, why don't we do a reward for bringing us a piece of Skylab, $10,000 reward, bring us piece of the city editor, Jim Wils. He said, ah, it's great. The other, yeah, it's great. So we had to go to the publisher, a guy named Reg Murphy, who became my bete noire and uh, tried to talk him into it. And he made us, he made me call NASA to say, what are the odds? This has fallen on land. I don't wanna give up any money. You gave their guarantee. And I called NASA. They

Leo Laporte: (06:51)
Had let alone, you know, I mean the United States cuz you had one additional caveat, which it had to be,

Jeff Jarvis: (06:57)
They had to arrive at the offices of the San Francisco Examiner by a certain time

Leo Laporte: (07:01)
After you, you had 72 hours of last like that, right. To get to get to the Chronicle or the Examiner. So

Jeff Jarvis: (07:07)
The examiner. Yes. So I called NASA. They said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I said, by the way, just in case we do get it, will you, will you verify that? The stuff we got is real, will you certified? Oh sure. Cuz we're not gonna, that happened. Yeah, no problem. Right. So then it, uh, it came down to earth. It fell in Australia, Western Australia, around Perth, Western Australia, sparsely populated Western Australia around Perth. Uh, very few, but a young beer truck help driver helper, beer, truck driver helper named Stan Thornton and his, and his might uh, picked up these black pieces of charcoal. Now meanwhile, a radio station in Australia cuz he had, he had to come to our office in San Francisco to get the $10,000. Well, a radio station in Australia did a whole big campaign that they were gonna pay for anybody to get to our offices, to get the money from yanks. So in fact, young Stan who was 17 years old flies to Syndey flies to us makes it like within an hour, he didn't bring

Leo Laporte: (08:03)
A passport. He didn't bring a suitcase. Right.

Jeff Jarvis: (08:06)
He hopped on. Yeah. And he said, he said, he's a minor. So he arrives at our offices with this baggy, with black charcoal things right here. Yeah. And so here's

Leo Laporte: (08:17)
Where's my $10,000.

Jeff Jarvis: (08:19)
We do pictures in the front of the, of the building and all that Stan arrives at the airport stand gets in. He makes it in time. So then we have to get the stuff, um, certified. Meanwhile, the managing editor, David Halverson, uh, was concerned for Stan. He was a kid. He had no suitcase. He had nothing. So they take in Stan and there was basically adopt him for like 10 days. So then somebody had to go to Alabama, to NASA to get them to certified. So we sent Steve Cook an editor later at the LA times to NASA in Huntsville and they, and they took it seriously. They had to analyze it and they couldn't figure out what it was. They, well, this, this, this is anything on, on Sky Lab. This is organic. There's nothing on Sky Lab. Oh no. And they thought, thought thought and they said, well, it could be astronaut poop. We don't think so.

Leo Laporte: (09:08)
I did finally this part of this story. That's great. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis: (09:10)
That's great. They finally determined that it was balsa wood in the, uh, uh, insulation of the Skylab. And so we then gave $10,000 to, you're gonna hear a few more things you hadn't before. So we gave $10,000. To Stan meanwhile, a Philadelphia rug merchant, literally a rug merchant wanted to jump on the bandwagon of all this me. So he offered Stan, you know, a full of furnishings in a trip to Philadelphia to see the Liberty Bell. Right. Stan. We said, Stan, we don't think it's a good idea. Stan said, no, mate. And he brought in his mother and his girlfriend. Oh my God. And they went to Philadelphia. Right. And then, you know, sometime later he guys not paying me. Could you help Stan? We tried to warn you, man. Um, so Stan goes back to Australia now, meanwhile, I got lots of attention. Now my, I made a point of always wearing three piece suits.

Jeff Jarvis: (09:59)
Cause I was so embarrassed at this. I tried to look dignified. Um, and a kid to three piece suit does not look dignified by the way. And so, um, I got tons of publicity, right? I was, I was, I was on TV all over his everything Reg Murphy. The publisher was very jealous of this. He was not half be that I was getting more publicity and he'd given up to $10,000. He proceeded to make my life pretty miserable with the help of Diane Feinstein's husband, Dick Bloom, who they didn't like me anyway. Cause I once in a while, criticized Feinstein, they made my life a living hell and I eventually quit to come to New York and conquer Gotham and worked for People magazine. And the day after I quit Murphy quit. End of the story

Leo Laporte: (10:43)
I had. I remember you saying you got a little bit of trouble for this. Like you had promised, there's no way we're gonna be giving away $10,000.

Jeff Jarvis: (10:50)
He got, he got so much more than 10,000 for this. Oh Lord. It was all over. Uh, and, and radio in San Francisco all the time. And, and Stan was getting interviewed and I was getting interviewed. It was, it was, it was embarrassing fun. It was, it was the last gasp of old newspaper. Right? Old kind of Hearst newspaper. Yeah.

Leo Laporte: (11:08)
Cause you pulled those in those days. You had the morning paper, the Chronicle and the afternoon paper, the Examiner and you guys were fighting. Yeah. Even

Jeff Jarvis: (11:14)
If you were, we had separate owners. Oh yeah, yeah,

Leo Laporte: (11:16)
Yeah. Hearst owned Examiner who owned? Oh, the Chronicle was the de Youngs, the.

Leo Laporte: (11:20)
Chronicle. Yeah. The de Young family, right? Yeah. And then, and then as you know, you and San Francisco know when, um, de Youngs got out and Hearst bought it, they had to keep the Examiner going in some form and they took over the Chronicle name cuz it was the bigger name by far. But the Examiner was, was old William Reynold Hurst, first paper. It was, you know, it meant something in the company and they gave it up, which is kind of a shame.

Leo Laporte: (11:41)
Yeah. They turned it into a, uh, doppy, tabloid, weekly tabloid. It was very sad. I liked the Examiner. It was a great newspaper. Anyway, that may happen again because the space station is, uh, is gonna be in 2035. So you've got a little time to save up for that.

Jeff Jarvis: (11:58)
Are they gonna take It apart and bring it

Leo Laporte: (11:59)
Down or they're gonna crash it in the Indian ocean. Oh. But they think that's kind of sad. The problem with Sky Lab was the Pacific, not the Indian. The problem with the Sky Lab was that they hadn't planned for this. So right. They have, they didn't have any way to kind of aim it on its way in. Uh, so it was an unplanned unscheduled, uh, demise. But uh, with the, uh, ISS, they know

Jeff Jarvis: (12:23)
I'd never heard from Stan. And then I got two people calling me wanting to do kind of the story of Skylab and Stan. I spent time with nothing ever happened with it. But through that, I got connected with and got an email with

Leo Laporte: (12:34)
Each other, which was, oh, that's nice. Yeah. And that guy, by the way, Stan's now 65 year old, uh, retiree living in Huntsville and Alabama, so goes completely full circle. Samsung announced this morning, bright and early. Thank you, Jason. Howell for actually coming in on the air 7:00 AM our, uh, the, a phone that everybody already knew everything about. In fact, Samsung had already encouraged existing owners to pre-order weeks ago. So this was not a surprise. The Samsung Galaxy S 22, the S 22 plus and of most interest I think, uh, to us the S 22 ultra, not because it's the most expensive, but because it is in fact, uh, the Galaxy note, which they had, uh, killed, but not only does it look just like a note, it's got a stylist, uh, I mean, doesn't that look like the note to you? I mean, it's, uh, it's and it's big it's I think 6.8 inches and it's impossible to buy Samsung O open pre-orders, uh, today and Jason Hall and I, and many others, uh, Russell, our it guy, we've all been trying to bang it on the site, trying to get in.

Leo Laporte: (13:43)
I finally just ordered it from Verizon and DDoS in them. Yeah, we are we DDO or what? Something bad happened? I don't know. 6.8 inch screen built an Spen boat loaded cameras. Four is on the back a very high quality, uh, selfie cam because after all we know, that's the most important thing, right? That's the one that matters. Right. That's what matters. Uh, they're doing that a hundred X zoom again, optical, which, uh, no, not is it 10 X optical? It's 10 X optical. No three X they've got four, uh, lenses. Uh, I would think you'd want this and actually does 45 wat fast charging, small battery though. 5,000 milliamp hour battery does support wifi six E the latest as well as, uh, 5g, um,

Stacey Higginbotham: (14:33)
Um, our four cameras, like, is that like five blades on your razor or is it functional? It's exactly. No, I

Leo Laporte: (14:40)
It's perfect analogy. No, that that's that's perfect. Yeah. Perfect analogy. Okay, so you get 108 megapixel main camera, 108 probably by pixel shifting, right? Binning pixel

Ant Pruitt : (14:52)
Banning. Yeah. Don't don't buy into it. Yeah. It's not

Leo Laporte: (14:55)
Really, uh, three X and 10 X telephoto cameras. Two of them, two lenses, a 12 megapixel ultra wide. And then on the front you get a 40 megapixel selfie camera. What is the real, uh, do you know on these, when they do this spinning, is it one quarter of that? Is it really 10 megapixels? Times four. It's usually one quarter.

Ant Pruitt : (15:16)
Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte: (15:18)
So, uh, they're gonna do the night mode, a lot of, you know, all, all to compete with the, I think, uh, the unfortunate Ben knighted, pixel six, uh, pro, which is really, I think, you know, Google says it's sold better than phone. Never they've ever made, but we don't know.

Ant Pruitt : (15:33)
That's not saying much we doesn't episode a lot anyway. Yeah.

Leo Laporte: (15:37)
We don't know what that means. Uh, and still people are complaining even after the, the February update just came out and they're still complaining about some features how's yours. I know you weren't happy with the pixel reading and all that.

Ant Pruitt : (15:49)
The phone is still fine is it's just the operating system. This, this is where screams it's the software. Yeah, it it's. Yeah. And this last update, I did it a couple days ago for the February one and I still had a Bluetooth drop this morning on my way to the studio. Just random Bluetooth drop. Yeah. Well, that's going on me. Sure. That says

Leo Laporte: (16:11)
I hate Android 12 and he can just wear it after every update.

Ant Pruitt : (16:16)
Just be like not working. I like the phone, you know, you want me to sit down with it and, and, and go through Lightroom mobile on it and process photos. Great for that. You want me to, um, hop into premier rush and do a little quick Instagram reel. Great for that. If you want me to just go out and shoot footage of the hard heads, doing some training in slowmo. It's great for that. But the OS, just not my thing.

Leo Laporte: (16:43)
Now I'm curious, cuz Jeff might be interested in this. They also announced their new, uh, tablet, the S eight ultra with a giant screen. It's really a top pretending to be, no, I want,

Ant Pruitt : (16:55)
I want, I want, I want, my nix is seven, seven inches fits it in the jacket pocket fits in the back pocket.

Leo Laporte: (17:01)
I want that. The uh, yeah, no, I'm I kind of with you. I actually, I have a 12.9 inch iPad pro and I end up using the mini because it it's a little bit nicer. Well, it's where I'm using it and, and stuff like that. I don't, I don't want to. And that's the problem. This is a, it's a laptop. It's a 14.6 inch screen, 29, 60 by 18 48, 240 pixels an inch like the phones. It has 120 Hertz refresh. Uh, the phones actually go even faster. Um, so it's, it's a, a little lower resolution than a 12.9 inch iPad pro, but it's a big that's cause it's a bigger screen and they are, I think, uh, if you buy, uh, right away, they bundle the keyboard with it, but it's still very, it's not cheap. It's a very expensive device. I think 1100, 1200 bucks is a starting price, uh, competing kind of head to head against, uh, Apple's iPad pro there's a pen. Yes. Comes. I mean, there's, that's a big difference. It comes with a pen and keyboard. So that does save you money. How, how big is the screen again? 14 point something. It's uh, that's what confuses me about their brand eight.

Stacey Higginbotham: (18:12)
I think it's the eight

Leo Laporte: (18:13)
And I think it's gonna be eight inches. No, no, no. It's no, sorry. 14.6. It's a laptop screen. It's bigger than the lot of laptops actually. Yeah. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt : (18:23)
So that makes a, why not just get a laptop? Well,

Leo Laporte: (18:27)
Yeah, I mean, I there's, I think this's always been the problem with Android. Uh, tablets is the software is just not there compared to say iOS. Uh, this one has decks built into it, which is weird because Dex was originally, the idea was you take a Samsung Samsung phone, you dock it and now you have a screen keyboard and mouse and it's a computer using the CPU on the phone, but decks kind of works on the tablet. Like another operating system on the cuz it's a big, it's like a computer screen. Uh, I, I think it's gonna be interesting. Uh, that's such a big screen. It it's really more a laptop than it is a tablet

Ant Pruitt : (19:03)
Thing is Samsung has done well in both of those, those areas. Uh, they make very nice Android side of the phone, as well as the Android side of tablets. You don't really see any other Android tablets out there that aren't Samsung.

Leo Laporte: (19:17)
One of the things they talked about in the event, by the way, you can watch the entire stream of the event on our TWiTnews feed with Jason Howell. One of the things they talked about was you can shoot 4k video, uh, with this. And it has that micro SD slot up to a terabyte. So unlike the iPads, apples never equipped the iPads with their best cameras. Uh, Samsung is equipping, um, these laptops with their best cameras. So they show people taking pictures with this giant laptop and stuff like that gives

Ant Pruitt : (19:47)
You a bigger view finder, but I don't know,

Leo Laporte: (19:49)
It is kind of cool, but it's a little on

Stacey Higginbotham: (19:52)
Game. Is that a function of like remote work? Do you think like I might be actually trying to work on this

Leo Laporte: (19:58)
And I think it's Samsung, it's a function of Samsung throwing everything against the wall that can to try to compete in a field that is completely dominated by Apple's iPad

Ant Pruitt : (20:09)
On the resources for it.

Leo Laporte: (20:10)
Yeah. I mean, if you're gonna beat the iPad, how are you gonna beat it? You can't, you're not gonna beat it on a software. I mean, they showed a drawing program and stuff. You're gonna beat it on hardware. And so cameras is one way to beat it, including a keyboard and pen. It's also competing by the way against, uh, Microsoft surface, uh, which is kind of the same idea. We have tablet with a, a detachable keyboard and pen that kind of is like a tablet confusion. A lot

Stacey Higginbotham: (20:34)
Of people like if you're in the windows ecosystem, a lot of people like the surface pro, they love it. It's called. Yeah. They love it. Yeah. So

Leo Laporte: (20:42)
I wonder what, uh, Kevin will think of the tab because it's not a Chromebook, it's not a Chromebook, but it is designed to kind of, I think, eat away at that market as well. The SA is

Ant Pruitt : (20:57)
Considering no type of terminal access, unless you install some

Leo Laporte: (21:02)
Terminal. Oh, I I'm sure. There's Android terminal apps. There are an iOS. Yeah, I that's right. He likes the terminal. Doesn't he? I was not

Ant Pruitt : (21:09)
To say no, Leo, no,

Leo Laporte: (21:12)
I have. I showed you how great the terminal is lately. Did you know? You could play Wordal in the

Ant Pruitt : (21:18)
Terminal. I think I'll pass, sir. Think I'll pass.

Leo Laporte: (21:24)
Uh, uh, anyway gets, uh, interesting. And of course, um, both Google and Microsoft are kind of partners in this. They talked a lot about Microsoft, uh, uh, you know, with your phone and, and it works with windows on the phone and so forth. And here's, Google's keyword, blog, unpacking seven features on the latest Samsung devices, which is not something you'd never really expect to see from Google given from Google. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. Uh, but, but as Samsung showed in the event, it, you know, works with Google duo. Uh, you can duo, uh, and, and it works with a jam board, which is kind of interesting. Uh, Robert can Insel who, uh, runs YouTube for Google. I can't remember. He's a content guy. I can't remember what exact title, but he is actually part of the Samsung event. You could pre preview YouTube videos on messages by Google, on the Samsung, uh, optimized for accessibility, with voice access, which is great for, uh, people who need, uh, accessibility.

Leo Laporte: (22:31)
They PO they're saying it uses material. You aren't, you happy? Yay. Yay. Uh, easy to set up. Google play apps on your Galaxy. Watch four. That's another thing, uh, Samsung talked about, uh, a watch using, I think, correct me if I'm wrong. Uh, uh, Jason, I think that it looked to me like they were showing a Android wear version of the watch. The new Galaxy watch is kind of a hybrid ties in wear thing. So I, maybe that was, I was just confused by that Google assistant is finally gonna come to the Samsung watch for, uh, it did not have the assistant. I, it still doesn't, but it's going to be soon. Uh, YouTube music premium will work on the watch. So Google's kind of acting as if yeah.

Ant Pruitt : (23:20)
Yeah. It's like they wanna play together now, right? Yeah. Yeah. Remember they didn't want it. Uh, when Samsung would do these unpacked presentations, they would never even say the word. Remember,

Leo Laporte: (23:31)
Remember if they didn't, they wouldn't say the, a word. Yeah,

Ant Pruitt : (23:33)
That's right. Yeah. I forgot about that. Yeah.

Leo Laporte: (23:37)
Uh, Jason says that, uh, the watch four is where three. So it's that new? That's a version. That's a collaboration between Google and Samsung. Is that the first instance of, of that collaborative? Well, that watch came out, uh, earlier. I have it, it came out with the, uh, flip, I think the flip three, the phone that is now gonna be Stacey's and the crowd goes wild. Isn't that exciting? Because I bought the S 22 ultra so that I can review it. I did it for you. And I think, I think it's time for Stacey to have this weird. And Stacey's doing it all for herself. Well, you wanted a small, you wanted a, you wanted a small phone. I hope the dog's happy. You wanted a small phone. Yes. See, I knew, I knew, I knew he was, oh God, we're getting a flip. Right.

Leo Laporte: (24:25)
We're flip. Right. Whoa. The dog's excited new to chew. Very excited about the phone. Yes. I will set it off today. I'll have to take my SIM out, but I will send it off and I'll wipe it and I'll send it off. Okay. Well there's, there's no rush. Please do not. Well, I know, actually I was hoping, cuz I had waited at, you mentioned you wanted a folding phone and I mentioned maybe I would send you mine. I was hoping you would've forgotten that by now. Uh, and bought no, apparently not. So I guess I will send it to you. You don't, you don't have to send it. Please said it. No.

Leo Laporte: (25:02)
Oh goodness. There's someone. I think there's like physical. You wanna go down and see what that is? There's a physical person in the house. Stacey. Bring us with you. That sounds dangerous. Leave your microphone on. Oh my God. They're in the house. All right. I think we, anyway, if you wanna watch the whole event, do you have our addresses? Like if, if, if I coed on out right now and went unconscious, could you call the ambulance for me? That's actually a really good question. Do you have my address? Yes. Lisa has. Lisa has all of our address. Yes. Yeah, but where's Lisa.

Leo Laporte: (25:39)
I have proof. I'd have to find Lisa and then I have to say quick Jeff Stein call she somewhere. Sitting in mini Cooper on fire. Yeah. Yeah. Oh no. What's the, what's the latest for the mini Cooper. So for those of you who haven't heard this long, I'm sorry to derail us. But I had to, at least it was really excited. She she, and see, and I feel bad cuz just between us, she named it. She called it pepper. Pepper. Yeah. I remember that. Yeah. Bright red. And then she loved this car. 800. There she is. Hi. No, we're not talking about you. No. 800. We subbed her. She said I have their addresses. Oh, okay. Thank you Lisa. You'll save my life. Lisa. Lisa, could you put it on a card and give it to John so that we can call 9 1 1. If Jeff keels over. I don't know what made me think of this, but I thought of it. That's really of an old guy. Good point. Yeah. It actually is good point. Cause you'd be frustrated. It would be horrible. We'd see you dying on the floor and we'd go, what can we do? What can we do? She says, she's gonna do that. We go. The best thing

Stacey Higginbotham: (26:42)
You have actually is Jeff's wife's cell phone

Leo Laporte: (26:46)
Number, right? Contact address. But she might not be there. But what if

Jeff Jarvis: (26:49)
He can't find Lisa, Lisa can't find her.

Leo Laporte: (26:52)
See it all comes down to the wife. Can't find the wife. You did

Jeff Jarvis: (26:56)
Get rid of us.

Leo Laporte: (26:58)
Jeff's lying on that beautiful Oriental rug. He's dying. He's foaming at the mouth. And we going, I think he lives near Bedminster. Quick call nine one. He's in New Jersey,

Jeff Jarvis: (27:08)
Somewhere around. There's a tall guy. We wouldn't know

Leo Laporte: (27:10)
What to do. And then imagine the people watching the show. After the fact hours later,

Jeff Jarvis: (27:16)
I traumatized traumatized.

Stacey Higginbotham: (27:18)
I know what to do. I would be like, okay, find Lisa called this ambulance. She's got the address. Yeah. Get his wife's side

Jeff Jarvis: (27:25)
Or Stacey. This came up out of concern for you as you walked away. And, and Leo was saying, what if there's somebody in your house? What do we do? Yeah. Turn on your was actually a concern for you that I brought this up.

Leo Laporte: (27:39)
Aren't don't we care. We care. We

Jeff Jarvis: (27:42)
Care. I don't care

Stacey Higginbotham: (27:43)
Too much. You know what? There's someone who watches the show live, who actually lives on Banbridge island. So

Leo Laporte: (27:49)
They'd come running over. What about San Juan island? Could we live there? Would that be a good place to live? Lisa looked at the lovely. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham: (27:57)
You know, do you need to get no, no. Cuz y'all said y'all wanted to access to like medicine and stuff and the fairies are little awkward.

Jeff Jarvis: (28:05)
Okay.

Leo Laporte: (28:08)
That's out. Just

Jeff Jarvis: (28:10)
No, you know, it's funny. Cause we are concerned about coqui over.

Leo Laporte: (28:13)
Yes. Lisa, I had that conversation that morning. I said, well, if I die, I die. We, but it'd be nice to live somewhere. It's it's like just cross from Victoria. It's like in practically in Canada.

Stacey Higginbotham: (28:24)
Yeah. No it's it's beautiful. It's kind of cold and wet, but, and you know what? You can actually get helicopter insurance or helicopter service.

Leo Laporte: (28:32)
Yeah. You met it that yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well that's what I told her. I said, look, I'm not gonna have a stroke or a heart attack. Cuz that's all it really matters. If you have a stroke or a heart attack, time to hospital's really, really important. But if you just broke your leg big deal. Right. You know? So I

Stacey Higginbotham: (28:44)
Think there is, there's probably urgent care on the island.

Leo Laporte: (28:47)
That's gotta be, there's gotta be somebody give you mouth to mouth. There's gotta be

Jeff Jarvis: (28:51)
We're leg. Yeah.

Leo Laporte: (28:54)
That is Husky. Bring in the Huskies boys. I think he's dead. Uh,

Jeff Jarvis: (29:02)
Moving. Were we talking? So speaking of speaking, dead things, thinking of dead things, I've got two dead things to talk about and

Leo Laporte: (29:09)
You're become an instigator Ant. I, I am, I am busting you. It used to be, you tried to keep this show on purpose on track. Right? I remember that you too. It's time for the ad. Things like that. Now it's like you just throwing fuel on the fire.

Jeff Jarvis: (29:24)
He's a cuz now he's the social. So just like Facebook, he wants more conflict and attention. You see

Leo Laporte: (29:30)
That's what? Doesn

Jeff Jarvis: (29:31)
Great content. It's all great content. Yeah. Can I talk about one of my two dead things or both

Leo Laporte: (29:37)
Of them? Yes. Please go ahead.

Jeff Jarvis: (29:40)
My pixel book Gough dead.

Leo Laporte: (29:43)
Didn't you just

Jeff Jarvis: (29:44)
Get that? Yes. In November. And I was just walk on and suddenly screen went. No warning, no battery things. No. Nothing went through the whole. And then so I call, I gotta go through thei and, and, and they say, yes, it is dead. Then in the old days, Google would say, we'll get a new one out to you and send it back and then we'll give you a credit and it'll be fine. No, no, no, no, no more supply chain. Now I had to wait three days for them to agree with their tech guy, that it was dead. Like they should give him that authority. I had to be escalated to the undertaker who said, yes, that's officially dead. And then I finally got the, the RMA and then today I got to send it back and I gotta wait till they get it. But they say, yeah, it looks dead to me. Looks dead to you. Yeah, it looks dead. And then they're gonna send me the new one back. Oh my God.

Leo Laporte: (30:30)
That's not, unfortunately that sounds like pretty standard operating procedures though.

Jeff Jarvis: (30:34)
So what Google wasn't like that? Yeah. The other thing I wanna mention I's dead.

Leo Laporte: (30:40)
I was gonna bring this entertainment, uh, weekly, which you started. Ew, you, you were there at the beginning. Uh, Meredith, which, uh, is the parent corporation got sold right?

Jeff Jarvis: (30:52)
Time, time Inc. Went into Meredith and Meredith sold to Barry DI's dot dash, the content

Leo Laporte: (30:58)
Factory and Barry di has announced

Jeff Jarvis: (31:02)
Six

Leo Laporte: (31:02)
Magazines. Um, they are gonna kill entertain. Well, there'd be digital versions, but they're gonna kill the print versions. Yeah, yeah. Enter entertainment.

Jeff Jarvis: (31:10)
That's like, that's like say we live on and purgatory a kill over in the show. Yeah. Yeah. PC

Leo Laporte: (31:15)
Magazine is, uh, digital only it's like doesn't exist in style eating well, which was in

Jeff Jarvis: (31:20)
Style was extremely successful. Love in,

Leo Laporte: (31:22)
Well, these were all successful I think. Yeah. Oh yeah. Health parents and people on Espanol. I guess people will continue. Dash Meredith. That's the name of the company? Dash Meredith. That's terrible. Terrible that's trunk, uh, is, is gonna put 200 losses. Sorry. Um, although that's only 5% of dot dash Merediths total staff, all six magazines would have their final issue in April E was a great magazine. I and I had, no, I didn't know you at the time. I subscribed to that when it first, uh, started, I used it well at the time I was a de J I needed like celebrity tidbits and it was a great source for that.

Jeff Jarvis: (32:06)
If you, um, so I so happens. I'm I'm writing a project right now. I'm writing. I'll talk about it another time, but on magazines and I'm I was writing the chapter on the launch. The first time I was telling the story of the launch of VW and then the announcement came out. If you go to my Twitter feed, you will see some of the things from my files. Um, uh, including, uh, my proposal for it originally. Um, the junk mail and fake covers we had to make, uh, the cover that Cosby used to send me a junk mail, uh, a hate mail, and finally, uh, a top editor of all of time make, who said, said, just as we'd become an entertainment company with Warner brothers that we were being too mean to Hollywood. He calculated the grade point, average of our reviews in the magazine. Wow. As hell I walked out soon thereafter. Yeah. Thank you for my little

Leo Laporte: (32:53)
Morning. So this is the question, I guess, you know, this leads to, um, we're seeing this digital transformation everywhere. Uh, CNN, CNN, really, really? He says, I know it seems like, uh, obvious, doesn't it a little bit of a Juju observation from your host, uh, CNN plus June that's you is coming Jaju RS. That's me, uh, see in and plus going streaming. Uh, CBS is already streaming. Um, digital seems to, is it, is it, uh, should we ring the death now for print? And I guess the secondary question did Barry di blow it when he paid 2.7 billion for Meredith less than a year ago?

Ant Pruitt : (33:38)
Yes. As, as long as, as I still see, um, the press Democrat out here in Sonoma county, I guess, I guess print is still fine, cuz somebody is, is still paying

Leo Laporte: (33:50)
For that stuff. Ironically, I, uh, am trying desperately to find a way not to get the print version of New York times. I want, I want all the digital stuff, but I keep getting it in the big old Sunday times. Cause I can't figure out any other way to get the, the whole Illa.

Stacey Higginbotham: (34:06)
I get the, I get the New York times without a print paper.

Leo Laporte: (34:10)
Do you get the crosswords, cooking worlds? I get cooking. You get all that stuff. How do you get rid of the, do I need, I don't want the paper signed up for

Stacey Higginbotham: (34:19)
A digital subscription.

Leo Laporte: (34:20)
Maybe I'm just too stupid to do it, but I, you probably have to call

Stacey Higginbotham: (34:23)
I'm like, I don't know. It, it wasn't hard. Oh, you know what it is. Maybe, maybe they asked for my birthdate and they didn't even try to sign it.

Leo Laporte: (34:31)
Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis: (34:32)
Like

Leo Laporte: (34:33)
You, my friend, you, he doesn't

Jeff Jarvis: (34:35)
Remember Sky Lab. You, anybody who doesn't remember Sky Lab gets it all together. Yeah,

Stacey Higginbotham: (34:40)
Exactly. Here's

Leo Laporte: (34:42)
The tail played well played. Here's these GPAs, uh, from your notebook. Good Lord. What an I, although what, what does he say? You'll what out there you'll be getting your report card a little later. Uh, today what's

Jeff Jarvis: (34:57)
Out there worth. No, I forgot. I can't remember.

Leo Laporte: (35:01)
Oh, the writing here what's out there makes you

Jeff Jarvis: (35:05)
Wonder, wonder why so many folks are still going to the movies. His argument was art. Mark critic, uh, gave pretty women a negative review.

Leo Laporte: (35:15)
Oh, I see. The GPA is the bad grades is the bad

Jeff Jarvis: (35:18)
Grades. So we gave, we gave six below C minus. He actually taught.

Leo Laporte: (35:23)
And so he's saying, Hey, if all these moves are so bad, why are people still going to 'em right, right.

Jeff Jarvis: (35:28)
And it's your job to like what the public likes and not be a critic, which was against the whole idea of the magazine.

Leo Laporte: (35:33)
Right.

Stacey Higginbotham: (35:35)
And critics in general. I mean, yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte: (35:38)
So you say you sh you tweet it. So I don't know how serious it is. Uh, is this an nail in the coffin for print? I mean, is this just one more nail in the, oh, it's another one. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis: (35:50)
It's another one. Yeah. Yeah. The Coffin's heavy with lead.

Leo Laporte: (35:53)
And yet I went to a bookstore the other day and the, the, the there's a whole four or five shelves of print magazines.

Jeff Jarvis: (36:00)
Oh, there's more titles than ever things like there's, there's a new pickle ball magazine. Right. That kind of thing. Really?

Leo Laporte: (36:08)
But

Jeff Jarvis: (36:09)
There is, I can

Stacey Higginbotham: (36:10)
Get it from Andrew for Valentine's. There

Leo Laporte: (36:13)
You go. By the way.

Jeff Jarvis: (36:15)
Are you gonna shop while we're on the oh, here, Stacey, are you gonna go do that? No, I'll help. No,

Stacey Higginbotham: (36:20)
This is I'm

Leo Laporte: (36:20)
Writing it down. I bought that, uh, cocktail mixer that you recommended for, uh Lisa's birthday. It's it's not good. It's not good. It's not good. Don't tell her what's wrong late. You told me to buy it. Somebody turn

Stacey Higginbotham: (36:33)
Studio you that I hadn't, I hadn't tried

Leo Laporte: (36:35)
It what's does it

Stacey Higginbotham: (36:37)
The, the very top bit in mine leaks God, but I sent them an email and they said they were figuring it out. Cause I, I was like,

Leo Laporte: (36:44)
Oh, they even know about it. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham: (36:45)
That's how I was like, is there like maybe a gasket missing cuz mine leaks. And I think they're gonna probably try to send me anyway. Mine

Leo Laporte: (36:51)
Came with a little baggy of extra gaskets. So maybe that's why. Yes,

Stacey Higginbotham: (36:54)
Mine did too. Oh no, but that's why, but it doesn't come with a gasket. Yeah. So yeah. I just, I like cuz when I bought it, I, I didn't try it yet. Cuz it was a gift. But having now tried it,

Leo Laporte: (37:08)
I can't remember. Of course I actually bought it on that show that you mentioned it. I said, oh

Stacey Higginbotham: (37:12)
I know. And I told you not to. I said, wait, no, I haven't

Leo Laporte: (37:15)
Tried it. It was a, it was a Kickstarter or something. Right.

Jeff Jarvis: (37:19)
I uh, long time ago was yeah. There's two pickle magazines. Stacey. There's two pickle magazines. You get to choose. You get to get 'em both

Leo Laporte: (37:27)
Get 'em both. Yeah. You're gonna subscribe to a pickle ball magazine might as well get both of them. Yeah. So

Jeff Jarvis: (37:32)
You know you might miss so otherwise other than miss

Leo Laporte: (37:35)
Stacey getting two pickle ball magazines, who else is actually getting print so well, yeah. Let explain this, Jeff. Cuz you said there's more titles than ever before. What's it

Jeff Jarvis: (37:45)
Worked more of this niche stuff. They come and go, you know what? Okay. Here's a quiz. What are the top two magazines and circulation in the United States now People they come from the same place. Nope.

Stacey Higginbotham: (37:56)
A magazine. Yes.

Jeff Jarvis: (37:58)
Oh yeah. Bingo.

Leo Laporte: (37:58)
Ding, ding, ding.

Jeff Jarvis: (38:00)
Yeah. And you know what? The number four top magazine in the country is so, so, so better homes and gardens is number three. You wanna guess what? Number four is what

Leo Laporte: (38:08)
Costco illustrate. Oh my gosh. But that's just cause they send it to everybody, right? Yeah. You know, subscribe to it.

Jeff Jarvis: (38:15)
Yeah. Right. But it has more circulation than

Leo Laporte: (38:17)
Now. I feel kind of bad. I blew off the uh, the a, a R P magazine. You

Jeff Jarvis: (38:22)
Could have been part of the mass.

Leo Laporte: (38:24)
Uh, well I remember did I tell you this story? I was, they, they asked me to write stuff for him and then I got very confusing instructions from two different editors. One who said smarten it up and one who said dumb it down. Oh. And I found, oh, that meant

Stacey Higginbotham: (38:37)
Your copy was perfect.

Ant Pruitt : (38:39)
Oh man.

Leo Laporte: (38:40)
23.6 million readers. No, no. Wow. That's subscribers 36.8 million readers. But I get, you know what? That's a little, I get it cuz I'm in it. Oh, read it. So I don't know. I think a lot of people probably get it. Cuz if you join w Stacey never get it. It'll be time. Stacey's army. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. No,

Stacey Higginbotham: (39:02)
I think how old do you have to be for

Leo Laporte: (39:04)
A 50 in your fifties? 50 plus? Yeah. Oh,

Ant Pruitt : (39:07)
Okay. It'll be, I mean, at one time there was a whole, at least for me, there was a nostalgia around print media, you know, something would have been like, um,

Leo Laporte: (39:17)
What's your favorite magazine? What do you miss Ant? Is there a magazine I

Ant Pruitt : (39:20)
Used to wish you could. I used to love, surprise, surprise, ESPNs magazine.

Leo Laporte: (39:26)
Not sports illustrated

Ant Pruitt : (39:27)
Better. I thought they were better than sports illustrated back in the days. Did it die? Of course that yeah. It went away. Yeah. Um, but then there was also newspapers. I used to enjoy picking up newspapers on certain events. You know, I still have the newspaper from um, when Dale Earnhardt was, was killed in the race, you know, stuff like that. I, it, it was sentimental to me, but now I think people don't really care. Yeah. About getting things like that. Just from a sentimental value. I don't know.

Leo Laporte: (40:00)
What do you miss? Uh, Stacey, is there a magazine that you, I don't

Stacey Higginbotham: (40:04)
Miss it cuz I still subscribe to it, but I, I subscribe to the new Yorker. Um,

Leo Laporte: (40:09)
But I don't get the, it's one of those I subscribe, but I don't get the print version. It's a great magazine. I get the print

Stacey Higginbotham: (40:13)
Version because I need a break from right. I feel like I can't read the new Yorker in print because it requires so much depth.

Ant Pruitt : (40:22)
Yeah. Yeah. Uh,

Stacey Higginbotham: (40:24)
But their app is actually pretty good cuz they add all this extra stuff

Leo Laporte: (40:27)
And in fact, so it's kind of tough. That's why I stopped getting the print magazine cuz it made me feel guilty that I didn't get to it. So with a digital outta sight outta mind. But uh, I also subscribe to the Atlantic used, what do you miss used to get it? I missed, do you remember heavy metal?

Ant Pruitt : (40:46)
Hmm.

Leo Laporte: (40:49)
You don't remember heavy metal. You know what I'm talking about? I know our chat room remembers heavy metal. John remembers heavy metal. It was a, a out of like a comic magazine, but it had incredible, um, really beautiful. They call it the adult illustrated fantasy magazine, but not wasn't adult. Like it was adult like, well it was a little adult. Apparently I was,

Stacey Higginbotham: (41:15)
I was like, I'm looking at this and I'm

Leo Laporte: (41:18)
No, it was a really great magazine. I, I, I, I actually really miss it.

Stacey Higginbotham: (41:22)
Incredible. I miss my fantasy. Like I had a science fiction. I don't remember which science fiction story. Like it was a magazine, but was it a pulp? Well done. It wasn't a pulp cuz it was a full size magazine size. But it had the beautiful art in there. Plus the stories. Yeah. This was

Leo Laporte: (41:39)
Kinda like that. Do you, what I still

Stacey Higginbotham: (41:40)
Get, which is not print. I should show it to you. So I get McSweeney's

Leo Laporte: (41:46)
Oh, that's a, I get McSweeney's too. That's great. Do

Stacey Higginbotham: (41:49)
You have the audio issue? Did you love that

Leo Laporte: (41:50)
Or you not? I haven't heard the issue. Oh I

Stacey Higginbotham: (41:54)
Will get it. I may just have to go get it at some point in time and show y'all because they did really neat things. They have like, okay. I'm

Leo Laporte: (42:01)
Not gonna, that was uh, started by Dave Eggerss and it's kind of a literary magazine, but they have some very funny stuff. Oh

Stacey Higginbotham: (42:10)
My God. I, you can

Leo Laporte: (42:11)
Go get that. You just have to let us know your home address is on the way. Yeah. Up, up, up the, uh, ambulance is calling. We just wanna know, wait a minute. Are you still alive? Jeff Jarvi. Is your ring a ring? Well it's better. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Just checking. Yeah. Cause

Stacey Higginbotham: (42:27)
I'm an old or it's like, is that like a bake late, uh, handset with the big's

Leo Laporte: (42:32)
The male south one me a problem with that. Stacey, you got a problem with that sudden be central operator. You operator, do you get the MC Sweeney's paper? Mag print magazine. Is that what you're talking about? Here's okay. So I do the internet tendency deal. You know,

Stacey Higginbotham: (42:48)
This is the internet. This is MC Sweeney's 60. So it's a big old worry

Leo Laporte: (42:54)
Magazine. Oh that's nice.

Stacey Higginbotham: (42:56)
And then they've got photo essays in there. I'm apparently not hitting any of the photo essays. Okay. Y'all keep talking about death of print. No it's but it's

Leo Laporte: (43:06)
Gorgeous. Well, but that's what people have said that is that these kinds of dare I say tweet, um, items will become luxury items. Oh yes, absolutely. That they they're commonplace. But, but the newspaper, the mag magazines, that's a luxury magazine. Look at it. It's gorgeous. Yeah. Probably very expensive.

Stacey Higginbotham: (43:26)
I'm coming back with the other one. I have to show you this since we're talking about this is so you're not back

Leo Laporte: (43:29)
In 30 seconds. We're coming. I, I shall read from MC Sweeney's, February edition, the dungeon and dragons monster manual entry for your child. If oh, Stacey's in trouble. If your child were a, uh, a character in Dungeons and dragons. Oh, would it be, that's the kind of trenching or writing? I uh, I love, you know what I miss then spy, spy. Same thing. This is like SP spy is great. This is what your favorite sad dad band says about you.

Stacey Higginbotham: (44:06)
Oh sweet. Yeah, these are, these are fun. We'll go. So those are, those are their comedy ones, but okay. That's very funny. This is the audio issue. Oh look. And is

Leo Laporte: (44:15)
This the guide it too late to subscribe to it? That's awesome. Is it cassette? Well, let me

Stacey Higginbotham: (44:20)
Show you, I'm gonna show you what all is in here so

Leo Laporte: (44:25)
You can buy it. I'm gonna buy if you got a used

Stacey Higginbotham: (44:27)
Car, all right. It comes with the warning on top of the thing. So you have to use this with audio, but it has things like this key chain. If you call this number, they're little stories that you press a button on your phone. So wild and you read so tweet. So this is

Leo Laporte: (44:44)
$85 by the way.

Stacey Higginbotham: (44:47)
Oh yeah. My subscription. Well this subscription.

Leo Laporte: (44:50)
Oh you got Nick Hornby in here though. I love Nick. Hornby

Stacey Higginbotham: (44:53)
Nick Hornby song. Yeah. My annual subscription is like six or a hundred dollars, but this like, you play on your smartphone and you roll it through as the story's playing.

Leo Laporte: (45:02)
So this is a perfect, perfect example of how print will survive. Is it stuff like this? Yeah. Very small, small, you know, print. That makes

Jeff Jarvis: (45:12)
Sense. But like you said, it seems like it's more of a premium experience with they premium price to

Leo Laporte: (45:16)
Help them survive. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham: (45:17)
It's so fun when it comes. You're just like, holy I almost curse. But holy cow, what did Nick Sweeney? Send me. I mean, look at this. This is like a, a travel poster. And if you like,

Leo Laporte: (45:29)
Actually you can get just the audio for 32 bucks. So that's not bad. That is really look at the look at the energy and the creativity and the talent that goes into something like that.

Stacey Higginbotham: (45:38)
It's it's it's awesome. I just get so,

Jeff Jarvis: (45:43)
So what happened when, when, when print got watched out history coming, um, when print got mechanized,

Leo Laporte: (45:48)
Because I don't think Goberg ever thought of something like this. That's pretty.

Jeff Jarvis: (45:51)
No he didn't. But when, when the line tap came along, print got mechanized. What you saw at the same time, like the arts and craft movement, you saw a movement toward fine print. People who were still doing hand print magazines with beautiful fonts that they would cut themselves crazy. Um, really eccentric people doing it. And so the same thing's happening now as, as the medium dies, you raise the art level of what's left. Yeah.

Leo Laporte: (46:16)
Not necessarily a bad tendency. And so what it means is the magazines like entertainment weekly, which are really for the, the, the people, the masses, just, they go away. The masses have gone somewhere.

Jeff Jarvis: (46:28)
Yeah. Time magazine is, is, is, is, is unnecessary with the web. Newsweek is a horrible husk of its former self. Yet

Stacey Higginbotham: (46:36)
When you work at those places, they treat the web like poop.

Jeff Jarvis: (46:40)
Yep. Yep. Exactly. Well,

Leo Laporte: (46:43)
That's that's story all this time. At least as all, as the web, they, uh, I mean, when we were doing the site on MSNBC, the website and the TV site hated each other. No, it was like, you know, oil and water. Uh, because the old media guys thought that the new media guys were killing them. Oh, well,

Jeff Jarvis: (47:00)
Yeah. Yeah. You you're ruining, ruining everything for us. Just Shsh and go away and it'll be okay. So I'm writing a book about magazines. Are you not a contract? Yeah. Awesome.

Leo Laporte: (47:09)
Oh, nice. Ruin one is that is gonna be a fascinat read. I can't wait to read it. Well, that was

Stacey Higginbotham: (47:16)
My journal of major. Jeff,

Jeff Jarvis: (47:19)
What

Stacey Higginbotham: (47:20)
I said that was my journalism major. Jeff, that I went into magazine

Jeff Jarvis: (47:24)
Journals. That's cute. Yeah, I know. Yeah. When we used to pick the media, that kind of quaint I'm I'm a magazine person. I don't, I don't write for newsprint. I write for slick paper.

Stacey Higginbotham: (47:34)
Exactly. I did the as internship in everything. I was like feature writing for the win. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis: (47:42)
Why feature paper is slick.

Leo Laporte: (47:44)
Why?

Jeff Jarvis: (47:46)
Because the ink doesn't absorb in much and it doesn't spread. And so you

Leo Laporte: (47:50)
Can have more CRISPR and photos pretier photos. Yep. I thought it was to hold the Droo um, that kill that killed the conversation were, you're gonna

Jeff Jarvis: (48:01)
Talk about Playboy

Leo Laporte: (48:02)
Right away. That just whoop, but uh, actually feature writing. Dying is a symptom of a, I mean, there are still, by the way, there's still great feature writing. That's what new Yorker does. It's what the, but far fewer outlets for it. That they're far. And I think far because they're far fewer readers and I really do wonder if people are gonna read long form anything in the years to come. I can't imagine my kids spending time with a 5,000 word article. I

Jeff Jarvis: (48:28)
Think they'll they'll have, they have inform podcast. They have long form.

Leo Laporte: (48:31)
Well, God knows we do those. Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham: (48:34)
This is the equivalent. Those aren't even well researched reading. My

Jeff Jarvis: (48:37)
Goodness are the new Harpers monthly

Leo Laporte: (48:39)
Middle, as you know, Stacey, that's really where the, uh, feature was feature rating was going endless.

Jeff Jarvis: (48:46)
You wouldn't believe this folks, but this show was scripted. We're all reading. Oh my God. Yes. We spent there's a lot of work going to

Leo Laporte: (48:53)
Write this show. Oh, we got a whole writer's room and a team. Oh yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham: (48:56)
Yeah. Several trained animals.

Leo Laporte: (48:59)
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Jeff Jarvis: (53:06)
People are not standing up to Putin. Who's trying to invade nations in Europe, but Facebook is threatening their

Leo Laporte: (53:11)
Sovereign. There are many kinds of envision miss you. Um, Facebook, uh, is the issue is the EU wants them to store data from EU users on European soil. Facebook says, no, we, we need to, we need that here. We need that, that, that data at home, uh, this is the, uh, so-called privacy shield, uh, agreement. Um, the current agreements say, yeah, you can transfer data. Uh, but the EU is thinking about changing that. And Facebook's response was well, well, well, if you do that, we probably in quotes no longer will be able to offer many of our most significant products and services in including Facebook and Instagram in the, so

Jeff Jarvis: (54:05)
Here's a question. Do you think that there's a chance that they actually believe that metaverse is their future and that Facebook stays or numbered

Leo Laporte: (54:13)
That they don't care. Right.

Jeff Jarvis: (54:17)
Mm. You think they, they kind know that's where it's headed. It's too big.

Stacey Higginbotham: (54:22)
I mean, I think they're betting on the metaverse, but it's not like they're gonna just be like, they're not burning. What is it? Burning their ships.

Leo Laporte: (54:29)
Well, yeah, right. Like Cortez. Right. We can't go home. Yeah. Um, there's several things that work here. I mean, it could simply be there they're, you know, trying to stare 'em down. Say, go ahead. Playing like chicken. Yeah, definitely. Go ahead. Try it. Cuz they, you know, or the French foreign minister could say, we don't need you, but there are probably millions of Europeans who would not agree, uh, WhatsApp, especially, although I bet you Instagram, I don't know how popular Instagram and Facebook. It's also possible. They've looked at the bottom line and said, well, it's a hundred million euros of a month or whatever we can afford it and say, we'll just write it off our stock's

Jeff Jarvis: (55:07)
Already in the tank. So I,

Leo Laporte: (55:08)
What the heck? Well, that may actually ch wouldn't that change the equation, maybe that they can't afford to do that. But, uh, yeah, by the way, ironically, the stock tanking is good for Facebook in one respect, cuz they're now under the 600 billion threshold,

Jeff Jarvis: (55:22)
Not fascinating, which is all the regulation is

Leo Laporte: (55:24)
Going for the reg the us, the Congress reg reg regulations say, well, it only has to be, you know, big tech, 600 billion or more, which Facebook no longer is.

Jeff Jarvis: (55:34)
Imagine that isn't that funny? That's the number of the week, man.

Leo Laporte: (55:39)
Yeah. Um, uh, or you've came up with a third kind of wild card possibility that they just, their business is changing and they don't, they're, they're willing to let go of this part of the business as long as they, but even if they do meta, they still want that data. I mean, no matter what Facebook does, they want that data.

Jeff Jarvis: (55:59)
Well, they want the, the scale, the volume, the, the, the advertising. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't know, but, but I think it's a silly theory, but, but they're almost acting like, like,

Leo Laporte: (56:08)
Okay. Yeah. Well I'm sure they want people just Trius yeah. Yeah. Nick Clegg warned. And of course he's known in the EU,

Jeff Jarvis: (56:21)
Formerly

Leo Laporte: (56:21)
The EU. Yeah. Formerly in the area of the EU. That's no longer in the EU warned that lack of safe, secure and legal international data transfers would damage the economy and hamper the growth of data driven businesses in the EU. The impact would be felt. This is Facebook's playbook. Oh, think of the small businesses think

Jeff Jarvis: (56:41)
Business Australia. Yeah. Right. We're they were, they threatened to pull out news. They did pull out news in Australia. They said, okay, fine. We'll

Leo Laporte: (56:47)
Take our, our toys and go home said in the, in the worst case scenario, this could mean a small tech startup in Germany would no longer be able to use a, a us based cloud provider. Although horror don't I think there's probably cloud providers in Germany. I might be wrong. Or at least in the stren countries, right. A Spanish product development company could no longer be able to run an operation across multiple time zones. Oh no. That's BS. Yeah. Uh, I run an operation over multiple time zones. I don't even step for that side. Peto a a Frank Nickle said a French retailer may find they can no longer maintain call center in Morocco. Well, that may be true. I would bet the EU thinks that's a good thing. You know, bring 'em home anyway. Uh, it's a battle, obviously. Uh, this is, uh, a, uh, salvo in the war. Um, somebody in the chat room, uh, Mr. Huggy, which obviously that means he's from Belgium says WhatsApp, Facebook and Instagram are very popular in Europe. Of course. WhatsApp is that's global. Yeah. I think, I think you pull the plug on WhatsApp anywhere. People will let you know, you lose, lose, lose public support.

Jeff Jarvis: (58:04)
They spin off WhatsApp without affecting the core

Leo Laporte: (58:07)
Business. They don't want to,

Stacey Higginbotham: (58:09)
They don't want to cuz that's where,

Jeff Jarvis: (58:12)
But, but does it have in the idea that it could be more stock growth and that doesn't really feed much data into Facebook? They could expand. Yeah. I mean, well

Stacey Higginbotham: (58:26)
It basically, I mean, from Facebook's perspective, they want it because it gets people who aren't on Facebook. Right. It gets people on their phones on

Leo Laporte: (58:36)
Facebook. Yeah. The whole point of acquiring Instagram and WhatsApp was to expand. Facebook's reach to get data from people who don't use Facebook and even better incorporate data from people who do use Facebook incorporate even a richer set, like who you talk to, who, you know, where you are, what you do.

Jeff Jarvis: (58:53)
So is the business model for metaverse if it ever really exists advertising and data, or is it instead pay walls and selling fake? Hey,

Leo Laporte: (59:03)
Well they haven't said yet. Uh, yeah. I don't think they selling fake hay may actually. I mean, that's, everybody's looking at how much money Fortnite makes selling downloadable contents. Excuse me.

Jeff Jarvis: (59:13)
Can I buy some legs please? Yeah,

Leo Laporte: (59:17)
There's a, I mean, that was, uh, in second life, there was a very, uh, still is I guess, a very vibrant economy in, uh, in our purchases, digital goods. Maybe I would bet you that, that given Mark's future thinking, that's probably what he,

Jeff Jarvis: (59:37)
So, so the bold thing would do, let's get out of the data business. Let's go, it gets us in trouble. Right? Let's get out of that. Let's get out of the ad business. Uh, apple has screwed us over. We can't really get the level of data that we dependent upon for growth. So let's go apple. I'm just this. I'm not really necessarily believing what I'm saying. I'm I'm playing. No,

Leo Laporte: (59:54)
This is a scenario.

Jeff Jarvis: (59:56)
I get it. We get it. Um, uh, but, but fine to be really bold and strategic. Let's find a way out of, I mean, they got out of the web business and into mobile. Could they get out of the data business?

Leo Laporte: (01:00:07)
I'm projecting Mr. Zuckerberg, which is not easy since he doesn't have a human brain, but I'm trying

Jeff Jarvis: (01:00:12)
Zuckerberg voice. You do.

Leo Laporte: (01:00:15)
No, I, I would, if I, I would just do it like that, but uh,

Leo Laporte: (01:00:22)
Not like him at all, but okay. Not like him at all. No, he's more robotic. But, um, I think, I mean, here's what I think a metaverse is a duplicate of the real world, right? So every possibility of making money in the real world becomes possible. Well, it's commerce has, has an analog in the metaverse every, every one of them services. And if you make your own, metaverse you take a, uh, percentage of all transactions. So it does, isn't so much about data. It's more, I mean, it's, uh, you know, it's funny cuz this is what Jeff Bezos is trying to do in the real world. Mark Zuckerberg says, well, we'll do it in our virtual world. And if you could get a billion or 2 billion people, this virtual world, this is kind of the debate over the metaverse is do you want a metaverse that's run by individual companies. So like I'm in the apple, metaverse the Facebook, metaverse the Google metaverse.

Jeff Jarvis: (01:01:14)
But he argued that everything ought to be interoperable. It should be

Leo Laporte: (01:01:16)
Interoperable. So this video,

Jeff Jarvis: (01:01:17)
Yeah, it was, it doesn't have value. But interestingly, I mean on the ad side, two come companies that were not affected by apples moves were Google and Amazon cuz Amazon are their own vendors advertising to sell more of the stuff that's already there. And Google has its own ad infrastructure.

Leo Laporte: (01:01:34)
I have a little bit of contrarian point of view on this. Facebook said, we, we might lose as much as 10 billion next year because if apples check bought and I think it's BS, I don't think that in fact they're gonna, I think they're trying to pretend that this little mine, all that checkbox does is say, apple says you can't have the ID for apple advertising. The

Jeff Jarvis: (01:01:57)
Market share, bought that.

Leo Laporte: (01:01:58)
Yeah, because I think Google and Facebook would like to pretend that there are ways to control what they know that's in their interest. Oh, I see. Um, it's be 40 chess theory. Yeah. They're playing 40. Well, if anybody's gonna play 40 chess, it's uh, our friend mark data Zuckerberg. I think that probably they have found ways or will find ways snap even said this. They said it hasn't hurt us. We made money this quarter for the first time ever. And it may take a little while, but we're gonna figure out ways to get all that data. Anyway. They said the thing that shouldn't be said aloud, which is yeah, big deal. We can get all that data. Facebook. Absolutely. Google absolutely have ways to get just as much data they know. It's presuming that what Google and Facebook both want is to know everything there is to know about their users so that when they sell to advertisers, they can say, you know, you want a 65 year old man in petal. I got 'em. I got

Jeff Jarvis: (01:02:57)
All of them. Well, here's the other thing you're saying, you know about the metaverse is they want is maybe they don't get the data anymore to sell to advertisers cuz that's getting them in trouble. But they do get it to understand how to put the right pitch for commerce or services or other things to you themselves. Well,

Leo Laporte: (01:03:10)
Which is the Amazon way. It's monopsony again, versus Moop monopoly. Just like saying that if you, if you own the metaverse show off, you are the single source of everything in the metaverse actually that is a monopoly. It's not a mono. Yeah. That's a monopoly. It's all. You're the only place people can go to buy everything. You're the company store. He just want, I mean then you're right. You don't need to sell advertising. If you're the company store, I would just sell an access basically. Oh they, I mean, they'd make it free because just like Fortnite, it's better to be free than you get more people. I don't know.

Jeff Jarvis: (01:03:47)
I think, I think that, that, that there's a, um, um, a class vs kind of thing here that I can get it. It's it's its Mel ropes. How do I get into studio? 54?

Leo Laporte: (01:03:58)
You can do both. You have,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:04:00)
I think there will be

Leo Laporte: (01:04:01)
Both. Yeah. You have it free and then have the uh, the champagne room.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:04:05)
Yep. It's like the public internet and then you'll have the V I P

Jeff Jarvis: (01:04:10)
I only know about that from Howard stern. Just to be clear,

Leo Laporte: (01:04:13)
There's no sex in the champagne room. I know where allegedly allegedly there's lots of champagne. Um, yeah, but that's, I mean, of course, well, I don't know if they'll do that, but they there's nothing that says they couldn't do. I'm just trying to think,

Jeff Jarvis: (01:04:29)
Are, are, are we missing something in this, in this tale of their grand strategies?

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:04:34)
We're missing the metaverse and until we have that,

Leo Laporte: (01:04:38)
Well, that's a good point. Well that yes, I agree. Oh, you completely made up and doesn't exist. Oh

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:04:43)
Yeah. We're we're building theoreticals on top of hypothetical. So I'm like

Jeff Jarvis: (01:04:47)
Very well,

Leo Laporte: (01:04:49)
But you, but, but it's a legit question to say, well, what's, it sounds like, yes, what's the plan. Uh, you know, how, why would you spend billions and billions of dollars to create this thing? I mean, what's the, what's the upside.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:05:01)
Well, they own the hardware. They're gonna build out the computing infrastructure, which means if you want to have, and if we build a real metaverse you are going to need some really powerful computers to deliver that quality experience. I've long thought plus the actual, like an AWS. Yeah. Yes. So I feel like there's a lot of opportunity here, like on the infrastructure side and then on the access side. Yes. And then also we don't have a rights framework yet for the metaverse. Um, but there's like, we talked about this last week. What is it that people are buying up digital properties, but think about like what property means of the better verse. There are opportunities there too. There's I mean, opportunities are really endless cuz we don't actually know what it's gonna look like or how it's gonna, or whether it ever exists. It can be yeah, that too.

Leo Laporte: (01:05:55)
Uh, FA I think it's fascinating. Um, I am skeptical, but it's,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:06:01)
It's basically like all the sea stutters instead of actually building the, the island. Right. They're just gonna do it in, you know, so it'll be fascinating.

Leo Laporte: (01:06:11)
Yeah. You want a crazy conspiracy theory, even further than yours. Jeff mark knows that we're it for a climate crisis, a total dystopia. And uh, he wants to make a refuge. Uh, if at least we're all

Jeff Jarvis: (01:06:26)
Gonna be in basements, but we'll be living in, in the past world in,

Leo Laporte: (01:06:30)
In meta, which is by the way exactly what the metaverse ready player one is. And so many stories, neuro answer, snow crash. It's all a, a, a refuge from the horrible real world dystopia. Uh, but still at the end of the day, Comcast is gonna want their cut. Oh, Comcast gonna get it. You're right. You're right. You know, that's what always what's what's your bandwidth bill gonna be if you're living in the metaphor? No, we

Jeff Jarvis: (01:06:59)
We're all gonna have mesh and everything will be fine on the blockchain

Ant Pruitt : (01:07:05)
In snow throw.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:07:09)
They, they were, you know, wired only for like super big data transactions and everybody else was wireless and you had your free networks and like your more capable networks. So, I mean, we're kind of building that out today.

Leo Laporte: (01:07:22)
Yeah. It's funny. You, you made an excellent point though. Stacey we're acting as if this is around the corner and it's it's it might even be a long shot. So it's BS upon BS. That's the ultimate answer to your question, Jeff. No, this is not mark Zuckerberg saying, oh, we don't care about Europe. We've got the metaverse cuz that's a long way off that that is. I know that's a long, I was playing Leo. Oh, good job. You fooled me. Sucked me right in. Wow. How, how do you think we got a three hour show? Yeah, we managed somehow. Yeah. Wow. Starlink launched 49 brand new Starlink satellites, but they didn't pay attention to the weather report. The, the, the astronomical weather report, uh, the space weather prediction center had a storm watch in place for the day of the launch due to a giant flare, a full halo Corona, mass injection, or F H CME. That sounds like

Jeff Jarvis: (01:08:21)
A medical treat. Yes.

Leo Laporte: (01:08:23)
Uh, I release a plasma and accompanying magnetic fields. When the sun had, they paid attention, they might have held off on the launch. 40 of the 49 satellites are lost. Geez. 40 of them all 49 satellites reached their 200 kilometer, 210 kilometer Perge deployment, orbit, PDO. Uh, but what happened with the, the storm is actually like a headwind dragged up to levels up to 50% higher than on previous launches. They tried to mini the drag by putting the satellites into safe mode, which turns into fly edge on, but the drag was so bad. It still buffeted the devices. They could not then leave safe mode to get into their normal orbit. And they started to spiral in and that's it. They're writing off. Is this, is this sky out? No, they actually, these are small enough. They burn up in reentry. Well, I was hoping

Jeff Jarvis: (01:09:21)
We could have a twig contest if somebody brings us

Leo Laporte: (01:09:23)
More satellite at,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:09:26)
I feel like we should only pay like 10 bucks for that. I'll give you,

Leo Laporte: (01:09:30)
I'll

Jeff Jarvis: (01:09:30)
Give you my flip phone. Right? Stacey giving a flip phone. Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:09:35)
Goodbye.

Ant Pruitt : (01:09:37)
So I'm, I'm not all up on this, this space stuff and space weather stuff, like say Mr. Rod Powell is, or what have you, but are you saying that they basically could have just checked the weather report that morning before doing this? Well, it

Leo Laporte: (01:09:50)
Would've been wise not to launch it then. Yes. Uh that's inexpensive.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:09:58)
I think who thinks about space weather.

Leo Laporte: (01:10:00)
Yeah. Well, if you're maybe the people in

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:10:02)
Charge of launching

Ant Pruitt : (01:10:03)
Satellites, right. But that's the thing, your name is, is X. You should

Leo Laporte: (01:10:07)
Probably think about the weather.

Ant Pruitt : (01:10:09)
I thinking it had chicks and balances in place. And this sounds like it was Willy ni. They literally make, got to

Leo Laporte: (01:10:14)
Check this morning a hundred of these satellites a week. So I think it might well be they went just outcr it launch it anyway. Well,

Jeff Jarvis: (01:10:19)
What if it didn't take 'em down now? Wouldn't

Leo Laporte: (01:10:22)
And they waited a week. No, once they're in or they're gone in three weeks. No, no, I think they'd be okay. They'd be buffeted. They'd be okay. It was because they were hit during their deployment to orbit that they, I think I know they didn't maybe

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:10:36)
That they don't have deployment processes because startups are really terrible in, I, I know that Elon Musk does not have bureaucracy tolerance, but this is exactly what bureaucracy and processes. Yeah. Do. It's this sort of like here is our checklist. Yeah. Um, and that's hard and boring and a lot of companies hate doing that so I can see how this could get missed. And when you got enough money slashing around, it's fine.

Leo Laporte: (01:11:03)
When we had, uh, the other space weather do com page, I go to every day, John says he checks it every day. What are you, John? Could've saved those settlings. What are you looking for? Knows. What are you worried about? You wanna bring whether to bring in looking from where the yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:11:19)
You, I, look, I look for that. We used

Leo Laporte: (01:11:22)
To, I don't go every day when we did, um, the ham radio show, ham nation, of course we would had a, have a weekly space weather report because it had absolutely affects your propagation of your ham signal and so forth. Um, but that's a wild story. Um, significantly impacted by a geomagnetic storm on Friday. Oh, interesting. Two days before launch a CME hit Earth's magnetic field, but it was not a major space weather event. In fact, this is from space weather.com. In fact, the weak impact did not have first spark, any remarkable geomagnetic activity, but the earth then passed through the wake of the Corona magnetic eruption. Some sputtering G one class geomagnetic storms developed. It was one of these minor storms so that you know what this register article misstates it. And once you get to the actual old guys it's space, weather.com and gals, uh, they're saying, you know, it was unpredictable.

Leo Laporte: (01:12:20)
It was unpredictable. It was worse. It, it was one of these minor storms that caught the Starling satellites. They didn't, they didn't expect it. The Starling team commanded the satellites into a safe mode where they would fly edge on like a sheet of paper to minimize drag preliminary analysis showed the increased drag at the low altitudes, prevented the satellites from leaving safe mode to begin orbit raising maneuvers and up to 48 of these satellites will reenter or already have reentered the Earth's at most fear. Do you wanna see it? Sure. This is what it looks like when space debris reenters, the satellite, the arres earth atmosphere over Puerto Rico. Pretty exciting. The better it comes down and burns up and stays up there. And there comes, see pops into things. The bottom of the screen there, that dot. Oh, there's another one. Here they come. It's like A's P

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:13:11)
Yeah,

Ant Pruitt : (01:13:12)
No missile will command. Yeah.

Leo Laporte: (01:13:14)
Oh yeah.

Ant Pruitt : (01:13:15)
That's what it looks like. Miss

Leo Laporte: (01:13:16)
A command. So they're burning up in the atmosphere. Wow. Wow. Have you actually ever seen, um, it's funny. I've seen it and it's wild. In fact, I have my, my trainer said, did you see last night? There were UFOs. So were like 60 of them in a row going across the sky saying, yeah. That's that's uh, Starling. They, when they launch 'em they're in a, they're in a Daisy. They're in a, like a bracelet. Oh, I didn't know that. And then they peel off. Yeah. It's really cool.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:13:50)
And they're like that in all the astronomy pictures.

Leo Laporte: (01:13:54)
Yes, exactly. Yeah. Isn't that nice. All right. Um,

Ant Pruitt : (01:14:00)
See, I wouldn't know, cuz every time I look up at night, it's such a hazy sky here in this area. Yeah. It,

Leo Laporte: (01:14:06)
I never get to see the that's your cigar smoke. You gotta, you gotta cut back.

Jeff Jarvis: (01:14:10)
That's no, that's a, that's a country guy saying, oh, I'm in the big city. Oh, you're right.

Leo Laporte: (01:14:15)
Sky anymore. Is the sky brighter in north ackee? Well, I mean, it's just always hazy here. Yeah. It's a little hazer here than it is. Yeah. It even trying to get photographs of the moon. It's difficult because I just don't see it some nights. Unless it's three in the morning. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis: (01:14:32)
Pollution

Leo Laporte: (01:14:33)
Pollution. There are now more than a billion unicorns. Don't tell your daughter Stacey. There are now boy. More than a billion unicorns. No, no, no, no. A little off there. They're now

Jeff Jarvis: (01:14:50)
My, how many orders of magnitude is that year off?

Leo Laporte: (01:14:55)
There are now more than a billion companies worth a thousand dollars or more. Oh no, I got it backwards. Well,

Jeff Jarvis: (01:15:04)
Those of you all the audio Leo just blew it.

Leo Laporte: (01:15:09)
There are now a lot thousand unicorns that's companies worth a billion dollars or more, which used to be a rarity. Right. That was a big deal. Oh, they're unicorns. Right? Like Uber inflation inflation. Is it inflation or is just, uh, there's a lot of venture capital money

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:15:28)
So much. So like I was just when, when I was at fortune in 2015, they did a list of unicorns for the first time. And I, how many were there? There was, it was ridiculous. A handful. It was like, right. Yeah. Uh, here it is. Let me find it. Oh, fortune.

Leo Laporte: (01:15:49)
And all of this comes from raising an you, you know, enough money for a small portion of your company that the total, if you were to sell it all, which you haven't would be more than a billion dollars. So if you raised 10 million for a 1% valuation, right. Then you're a unicorn. So that's part of it also, you know?

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:16:11)
Oh yeah. I was hoping they would tell me how many unicorns they had. There were like 25 or something. Ridiculous. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis: (01:16:17)
It's your evaluation. Evaluation is just,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:16:21)
Yeah. Evaluation is just a hope and

Leo Laporte: (01:16:23)
A prayer it's made up. Yeah. Yeah. The term unicorn dates. This is from Bloomberg business week dates to a 23rd. Haven't heard that in a long time business week, the term unicorn dates to a 2013 article by Alene Lee, a venture capitalist who had just started a firm called cowboy ventures, writing for tech crunch, which had just started up 2013. Is that all? No tech

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:16:47)
Crunch, no tech was around. They in like TW when I joined giga O in 2008 tech crunch was already our

Leo Laporte: (01:16:54)
Competitor. So, oh, I misread this. I thought it said news site. It said news site. Her article was about lessons. Investors could take from examining the few us based tech companies that had reached a billion dollar valuation, uh, in looking at private and us, uh, public us companies found it since 2003, she identified 39 unicorns. This is in 2013, Arab D B Dropbox Facebook group on LinkedIn, Tumblr, Twitter, YouTube, U uh, Uber Z. You know all the names, but now, oh, there's thousands. But the best part of this, what are you laughing at?

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:17:35)
I'm on Twitter. I'm so sorry.

Leo Laporte: (01:17:36)
Okay. Twitter. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:17:38)
You want Stacey? You're on you. You can help. Wait a minute. Well share it's I was looking up the fortune stuff. Share

Leo Laporte: (01:17:48)
With the class. What is,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:17:49)
It's so political, but

Leo Laporte: (01:17:50)
It's so, so are, are you talking Marjorie Taylor greens Gaspa yes,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:17:54)
But

Leo Laporte: (01:17:55)
Somebody who I was hoping you'd bring that up so I could mention it cuz it is, it is political. So apparently assume representative green representative green has confused the NA GA with the famous cold Spanish soup

Speaker 5: (01:18:12)
DC goo. But now we have Nancy Pelosi's gak police spying on members of Congress.

Leo Laporte: (01:18:19)
No, I'm glad there's hispa police. Cause there's some pretty bad Gaspa around.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:18:24)
So this guy tweets, assuming the Gaspa police report to this soup Nazi,

Leo Laporte: (01:18:34)
There have been some funny

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:18:36)
Responses. That's good. Like watch

Leo Laporte: (01:18:37)
Out for those mole, tough cocktails. People will be throwing and uh, it's not a Gulag it's Gulla. Come on. And now by the way, anyway, George Conway has changed his Twitter handle to senior Gupa Conway. I think that's gonna be a trend. I think it might be a trend.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:18:58)
Oh no. Okay. I'm sorry. That was Stacey. I didn't need that was, that was,

Leo Laporte: (01:19:03)
I would, I would've laughed out loud too, but we saw it earlier. Yeah. So

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:19:06)
Yeah. I, I cuz I wasn't checking Twitter earlier. Yeah.

Leo Laporte: (01:19:09)
That's why, oh, you do it now. Back to unicorns in Bloomberg business week, they did a little table, which you should have done at giga home at the time. What's a unicorn worth the brand value of my little pony, 302 million. The last unicorn all time box office $6.4 million. Lease a Frank's annual sales estimate, 5.7 million, the unicorn tapestries 1.1 million a Nawal tus $18,500. Unicorn mascot costume $849 and 99 cents. The Pokemon rap dash card is $9, 57 cents and a unicorn frappuccino, $4 and 95 cents. I don't even know why they put this table in. It makes

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:19:55)
No because it's

Leo Laporte: (01:19:56)
Awesome. It's pretty awesome. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:19:59)
It's entertainment right there in

Leo Laporte: (01:20:01)
20, in 2015. I think they're referring to you Stacey fortune ran a cover story. The age of unicorns.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:20:10)
Yes, that was Erin. And uh,

Leo Laporte: (01:20:11)
Dan's story. Erin Griffin and Dan Premack. Yep. Yeah. There's Erin talking. Oh young Erin, young Erin. I mean she used to come on the show. I think uh, we should get her. She's a wired now.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:20:24)
Yeah, yeah. No. She's the New York times now.

Leo Laporte: (01:20:26)
Oh, that she's a big shot now. That's why that's what happened. Interesting. That's funny. So were you doing research for this article or you were writing another article?

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:20:38)
No, no, no. I just, I was, while I was there, they were doing this article. I think they asked me two questions about some chip companies that were Unicorny

Leo Laporte: (01:20:46)
That's uh, sounds like Aaron. And then, okay, let's take a break. We still have a change log. We haven't done.

Jeff Jarvis: (01:20:54)
Oh, we got time.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:20:55)
Yeah. We have stories about Google. And I really wanna talk about this whole radio thing because people have been asking me about it

Leo Laporte: (01:21:01)
And I think it's a fascinating thing. Let's do that. Also the, uh, uh, the rap star who used to write for Forbes, who is now in a little bit of hot water, a little bit of hot water, the crypto arrest music video coming up Forbes.

Jeff Jarvis: (01:21:20)
How could that be? The case? Forbes is just so upstanding. It has nothing but the best.

Leo Laporte: (01:21:24)
Oh man. Oh man. And actually there's a, there's a weird jampacked. I might have to move along here. Uh, age verification for porn and the IRS finally drops face ID. We talked about that like two weeks ago and they finally saw the light on that one, but first word for wait, wait,

Jeff Jarvis: (01:21:46)
Wait, wait, wait. I got a catcher of the act. I see Stacey in the rundown down at the pickle ball magazines. She's using this over to subscribe.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:21:56)
I'm adding something to the run.

Leo Laporte: (01:21:57)
It's okay, go ahead. Go ahead.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:22:02)
I'm not subscribing. Oh my goodness. Jeff bad, Jeff. Well, so we're about to go to break. It's totally used to build a shop during the break.

Jeff Jarvis: (01:22:10)
Oh, okay. We appreciate our sponsors. I listen to the sponsors. I hang on. Leo's every word please

Leo Laporte: (01:22:19)
Do like you Stacey. This is actually really I toast waffles.

Leo Laporte: (01:22:24)
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Ant Pruitt : (01:24:54)
I totally admire how excited it you get about an IDE.

Leo Laporte: (01:24:59)
I love I, I was like, I love, I bring my headphones integrated. I'm looking in the fridge love environment. Yeah. Yeah. We live in the, just start talking about IDs. I love IDs IDs and waffle toast. Do you listen to K U O w in uh, beautiful Seattle? I do. Okay. Be careful if you have a, um, if you have a 2016 Mazda, uh, I, I do, do you really? Yes, I do. Well. So this temp and he's an NPR listener. This actually intrigues me because it turns out there's a flaw in the rendering. Coders will know all about this. They're not sanitizing their inputs. There's a flaw in the engine. They actually use JavaScript to render the screen, not the car engine, not the car engine geek engine. Yeah. The code engine. They, they render the screen. They use JavaScript on the, on the entertainment unit. And apparently it has trouble with Unicode characters and some punctuation and it'll actually crash it. So there apparently a lot of, I just crash it, but brick it brick it, there are a lot of people who can only listen to K U O w in their Mazda permanently stuck a 94.9 FM. Oh, oh. Because, so they didn't, they have a little extra stuff in the, in the 10

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:26:24)
Ours Technica did a better story because K U O W's story starts talking about,

Leo Laporte: (01:26:28)
They didn't understand it. They didn't understand it. I was,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:26:31)
I read their story.

Leo Laporte: (01:26:32)
I was like, what? Well, of course they didn't understand it. So yeah. Ours Technica figured out that that's what it is. It's a Unicode issue.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:26:39)
Yeah. So it's not a 5g issue. Not at all looking at that, but this to me. Okay. So I love this story because it shows like we're building out as we connect all this stuff. And we have companies who are not necessarily used to dealing with software over like a 10 timeframe, maybe like a car's life, figuring out how not to add accidentally break it. And then what happens when you break it? Who's responsible. Cause the issue here is they break these people's infotainment centers. It's gonna cost them money to actually physically replace

Leo Laporte: (01:27:15)
It if they were one. Yeah, but it's Mazda's fault for not properly handling you can't but Mazda what's gonna come in over the airwaves he's mistake. Right? Admittedly K U w blue. But by a minute, they're not the first to do this. There's a, a podcast called 99% invisible. Have you heard of this podcast? There's a, a great podcast. It's a great podcast, but don't listen to it in your 2016 Mazda because, and this, and this is, it's the same thing. There's a percent in the name of this show. They actually had to create a Mazda safe feed. Oh man.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:27:51)
Oh wow. So then it is

Leo Laporte: (01:27:52)
Mazda's fault. It's totally Mazda's fault. So the Mazda feed has 99 P E R C E N T invisible. Instead of, instead of December,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:28:05)
Because Mazda's not replacing, Mazda's like, no, we're not gonna replace that. That's oh,

Leo Laporte: (01:28:09)
It's bad coding. No, it's not. But they Mazda says yeah. Cause I, I was Mazda did Mazda said, look, there's a spec for it's, you know, it's this, uh, additional information that comes through a radio channel nowadays that you display on the screen and it shows you the name of the artist, blah, blah, blah, that, that K U O w sent album Mars through. And it crashed the Mazda software. But honestly, I mean, you could debate a, Mazda's gonna say, well, that's an old car. We're not gonna fix it. Cuz it is at least it's a six year old car, but it is their mistake. Hey, Hey,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:28:43)
That's not an old car. My car six. I mean, my car are seven years old and it's a Tesla y'all I have

Leo Laporte: (01:28:49)
A car older than three in years. It was well, yeah, you're the guy who goes off

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:28:56)
By $1,500 phones.

Leo Laporte: (01:28:59)
I'm not rich. I'm not rich. I just, uh, we lease our cars so that we get a new one every three years. And that's why, um, so ours Technica did figure it out apparently. So did 99% invisible. Uh, and honestly it's not, I'm sorry, 26. It's 2016. So it's a six year Mazda. Um,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:29:23)
Well it says it affects cars from 2014 to 2017.

Leo Laporte: (01:29:27)
Oh interesting. So the K U

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:29:29)
O w I think there's two issues. I think there's two separate things running around here. One is specific to 2016 year olds and apparently Mazda does say, I feel like ours must have updated the story that customers can Mazda will replace it now. And

Leo Laporte: (01:29:45)
For Goodwill, they're not emitting any culpability. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:29:48)
Right. But because of the chip shortage, it might take a while. Right. But

Jeff Jarvis: (01:29:55)
Meanwhile, they gotta listen to nothing but liberal NPR. It's a, it's a conspiracy. I tell you.

Leo Laporte: (01:30:02)
So sanitize your inputs, kids.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:30:06)
Yeah. This is, I mean, this is so tough. We're gonna see like I'm imagining, like if I download some software to run like energy management for my home, which I'm like super excited about by, but like what if that does something to like my old nest thermostat? I'm like, oh crap. How do I fix that? You know, we're getting this era where we've got all these software interdependencies and we're not creating provisions to help consumers through the like resulting problems. And it's gonna suck

Leo Laporte: (01:30:31)
X, K, C, D uh, is episode or, uh, comic strip 3 27 exploits of a mom. Hi, this is your son's school. We're having some computer trouble. Oh dear. Did he break something in a way? Did you really name your son? Robert tick parenthesis, semicolon drop table students call Colin dash dash question mark. Oh yeah. Little Bobby tables. We call him well, we've lost his year. I hope you're happy. And I hope you have learned to sanitize your database inputs. Nice little Bobby tables. There

Jeff Jarvis: (01:31:13)
You go. So a moment from uncle Jeff here, when the Chicago Tribune was switching from Lineo types to cold type big, big machine to set type, uh, with photography, the whole thing died one day. The addition couldn't almost didn't get out. And the reason was that a golf score happened to be the code for a race score.

Leo Laporte: (01:31:37)
That's hilarious.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:31:40)
So everything stays the same. I love it. Yeah.

Leo Laporte: (01:31:44)
Yeah. Lord. Wow. Facebook. I'm sorry. Feds could be Facebook, but feds have arrested a married couple. They say we're possess in possession of 3.6 billion in Bitcoin, allegedly stolen as part of a 2016 hack of Bitfinex, which is a Bitcoin exchange. Authorities arrested a husband and wife in New York for allegedly trying to launder the Bitcoin tech entrepreneur Lichtenstein 34 and his rapper wife, Heather Morgan, 31 were charged with conspiring a launder money. 119,754 Bitcoin were stolen after a hacker breached Bitfinex and initiated more than 2000 unauthorized transactions. Prosecutors said the Bitcoin to a digital wallet controlled by Lichtenstein. So by the way, important note, you're not anonymous the country and in Bitcoin, if they could figure out whose wallets who who's at the time, it was only worth 71 million, but uh, it's now worth a lot more. Are

Speaker 6: (01:32:59)
You gonna play her really valuable, uh,

Leo Laporte: (01:33:01)
Art history? Yes. Federal officials say they were able to seize about 94,000 of the stolen Bitcoin. Now worth 3.6 billion. That's not the entirety though. It's the largest seizure of funds and justice department history. But yeah, her, uh, story is kind of interesting. He's a tech entrepreneur who goes by the nickname with us and Russian citizenship. He calls himself an angel investor. Uh, Morgan is a part-time rapper, uh, who also wrote prolifically apparently for Forbes. And in some cases wrote articles about how to secure your Bitcoin investments gets better, which

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:33:41)
Are probably well written. This is made for a Netflix documentary this whole, it feels like it's, it's not even real. It's just, yeah, like

Leo Laporte: (01:33:49)
Fake. Should I play some of her? Uh, I don't, I don't know. Is it safe? I don't know. Nah, probably not. Probably not. Uh, she's in a performance artist, a rapper, um, and Forbes, columnist and Forbes columnist.

Speaker 6: (01:34:05)
She says it all about Forbes.

Leo Laporte: (01:34:08)
It's a rainbow resume. Right? David, uh, her, uh, rap. I

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:34:11)
Used to get so upset when people would say, oh, Stacey works at Forbes. It'd be like, it's it's fortune.

Leo Laporte: (01:34:16)
Yeah. Big difference. Well, it's funny cuz difference. The thing is, is the Forbes contributor now Forbes contributor network, which basically you buy your way into. Right. And then there's the journalistic part of Forbes, which is still good. I mean, I, but you have to be careful, but you can't tell who wrote what really that's the problem.

Speaker 6: (01:34:33)
And so it's all.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:34:34)
Yeah. And I would not write for, I mean, not that Forbes ever was like, Stacey, we must have you, but I don't think I'd work at a place that was

Leo Laporte: (01:34:40)
So confusing. Morgan's uh, rap name is Racon. Um, the pair has strongly proclaimed their innocence during a New York court appearance on Tuesday. The, they say it was it, uh, it was AYOP to make us look stupid for being hacked, hacked by the most inept criminals on earth. What? Wait a minute. I don't understand. Um, anyway, uh, Morgan has a prolific presence on social media where you could find tos show art pieces inspired by her sythes and her weird music videos. Let me see if I find some of the TikTok.

Jeff Jarvis: (01:35:27)
Is that where you see,

Leo Laporte: (01:35:28)
See colors, some colors that's right. Very good. Uh, she wrote articles like in 2017, should your company about getting blacklisted and in 2020 experts share tips to protect your business from cyber criminals

Jeff Jarvis: (01:35:46)
Like us.

Leo Laporte: (01:35:47)
Apparently she wrote for ink magazine as well. I agree

Jeff Jarvis: (01:35:51)
With miss Stacey. This is clearly a script for Netflix

Leo Laporte: (01:35:54)
Studios. Yeah. Here's yeah. Here's a picture of her with a holding. Unaccountably holding a giant wrench

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:36:03)
In the words it's a Crescent wrench. I mean yay. Nish.

Leo Laporte: (01:36:07)
It's my favorite kind of wrench might be doing some plumbing. I dunno. It's pipe wrench. Yeah. Um, so ink she writes for ink and Forbes. So there you go. There you go. Uh, but the good news is, uh, the money has been repatriated. I imagine they were holding other people's wallets at fin. And so other people lost money. I don't know. Did

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:36:33)
They get money or did they get the coins back?

Leo Laporte: (01:36:36)
Well,

Jeff Jarvis: (01:36:37)
They haven't decided they just rest of them. So they're gonna have to wait until they go. What's the difference

Leo Laporte: (01:36:41)
Justice.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:36:42)
Well, cuz if like at the coins, if they got the coins at the valuation that they were, when they coins stolen coins. So if they get the coins back then that's today's valuation. They just got money back and

Leo Laporte: (01:36:52)
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think that's why I curious. Yeah, they got big Bitcoin worth Bitcoin worth 3.6 billion. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis: (01:36:59)
Got it. Okay. Today. Yeah. You steal my remand and 20 years later you gimme the value of it 20 years before. No, you get the remand back unless it's an NFT, which you get nothing.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:37:11)
Then you get the pride of being able to tweet about your NFT

Jeff Jarvis: (01:37:16)
Stolen more stones. You wanna throw Mr. Jarvis? Sorry. I couldn't, you know, it's easy punchlines. You just can't resist. You know,

Leo Laporte: (01:37:24)
It's good news. If you were worried about the IRS forcing you to use face ID with a third party, uh, private corporation ID me, they've decided to stop doing that. Ron widen wrote him a out saying what going on. What are you thinking? What are you thinking? He, uh, published a statement saying the treasury department has made the smart decision to direct the IRS to transition away from using the controversial id.me verification service. As I requested earlier today, I understand the transition process may take time, but I appreciate that the administration recognizes that privacy and security are not mutually exclusive and no one should be forced to submit to facial recognition to access critical government services. Good on, on you Ron widen,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:38:17)
He's also put forth an algorithmic accountability bill. That is quite nice. Uh he's re-put

Leo Laporte: (01:38:22)
At forth, but this, I think the smartest, uh, as far as technology goes, person in the Senate, um, well he he's pretty created section two 30, right? He created section two 30. Yeah. And

Jeff Jarvis: (01:38:34)
Uh, what's his name? Chris Sego who works for him. You know Chris, right? Yeah. Is hiring a new yeahs. Thank you. I is hiring a new, uh, technology analyst for widens office, which is one heck of a job. You can make a impact

Leo Laporte: (01:38:47)
There. Good. I wish we had more Joe widens, Ron widens. I don't know who, I don't know who to. I was not to say we can have more Joe. It wouldn't, you know, wouldn't

Jeff Jarvis: (01:38:57)
Joe, Ron whites are a diamond dozen. If you can find a Joe whiten, they're even better. Yeah. They're rare. You know, I own the Joe whiten NFT and

Leo Laporte: (01:39:08)
I'm telling you, and again, from Twitter, thanks to Twitter. It was one year ago today that lawyer cat oh cat, lawyer, cat visited the hearing. And here's the thanks to judge Roy Ferguson. Who's obviously very hip here is the final ending of the lawyer cat hearing. I'm here. Lie. That's

Speaker 7: (01:39:30)
Not, I'm not a cat.

Jeff Jarvis: (01:39:33)
It's the laugh

Speaker 7: (01:39:35)
I can. I can see that. Um, I think if you click the up arrow next to the start video or stop video button at the bottom, uh, you'll see video settings. And I believe in video settings, you will see, uh, you will see the video filters office. There's the judge

Leo Laporte: (01:39:57)
That you

Speaker 7: (01:39:58)
Can, Hey judge,

Leo Laporte: (01:39:59)
Turn off, come here. The judge is actually explaining zoom. There you go. I'm not a cat. Here we go. Rod. Ponton it's, I'm not a cat. That's a classic. And it's amazing that the, the actual judge is posting this, I think in violation of the, uh, own. No, it's not. It says recording of this hearing or livestream is prohibited violation may constitute a contempt. Well, you're the, I guess if you're the judge who's gonna, who's gonna really, that matters. That that makes a difference. Well, I think to Ron, Panton it does. He wish very, that it's okay to publish the judge says it's okay. Oh my gosh. That's so wonderful. And thank you for reposting that, that judge Ferguson you're welcome. I'm sure the judge will have some sort of lawsuit coming their way. That's nice. No. See,

Jeff Jarvis: (01:40:55)
I saw that on Twitter as I was doing my work for the show.

Leo Laporte: (01:40:59)
Well, thank God. I don't have to look at it. I just let you do it. Which is great. All right. Let's uh, do we have a change long? I'm just yes. Let's uh, yeah, we did. Thank you, Jason. How, or did you do this? Anne? Who did the change lawsuit? No sir. Mr. Howell. Thank you. Miss how ladies and gentlemen, I now give you the changelog orchestra. A

Jeff Jarvis: (01:41:16)
Google changelog change log

Leo Laporte: (01:41:20)
Orchestra. Let's do they're good. They're good. They got a kettle drum and a couple of horns, but uh, it's still an

Jeff Jarvis: (01:41:25)
Orchestra. Once they come in from outside the smoking, you know,

Leo Laporte: (01:41:31)
I want somebody to put that on their resume. I was in the, uh, Google change log orchestra, Google adds journeys to Chrome journeys to Chrome. You could, uh, in effect, resume your search by searching your history by topic. I think they should call it rabbit holes, rabbit holes. This is actually great. I mean, history is really kind of, I don't know about you, but I use history a lot trying to remember what was it? Where did I see that? Well it's cuz we're old Leo. Yeah, maybe journey's a new feature in the Chrome desktop. It groups pages from your search history by topic or intent, intent, providing more helpful user experience than just showing the chronological old list. So here's an example they give on the at search engine land based on activity related, related to travel. That's the topic. And then a bunch of history results with the word travel in them.

Leo Laporte: (01:42:26)
I mean, that's good. That's good. You can either type a topic into your search bar and click resume your research. That's a generous way of saying, I know you forgot what you, so let's help you, uh, or go to search history and show Stacey and don't need to do that. You and I do you and I go, I, what was the user will then see a list based on activity related to whatever you query is. That's pulled from the search history. And it's nice. The announced it as an, I didn't hear this, but they announced it as an experimental feature a few months ago. Uh, and now it is official, although optional and it is limited to your device does not synchronize. Uh, I got it. I think yesterday, the Fe air security patch just rolled out to the Google pixel. Don't know, uh, you know, if how important it is. It does say there are bug fixes,

Ant Pruitt : (01:43:24)
Which included stuff like, uh, uh, wifi, connectivity and Bluetooth. Good bugs. Good. And I got it. I think it was Monday when I got it installed and Nope, still have that random Bluetooth dropped.

Leo Laporte: (01:43:38)
Oh sure. But I think that's Bluetooth. Honestly. I think that's Bluetooth. Bluetooth's horrible, but there are quite a few CVEs, uh, vulnerabilities that were, uh, fixed. So you probably should apply it as soon as possible. Incidentally, kudos to Samsung when they announced the S 22, uh, they did announce that they were gonna do I think four years of security updates. So following in Google's, uh, footsteps, I think that's really important. Four still not enough. Uh, but Hey, it's better than nothing. It's better. What would be your idea?

Jeff Jarvis: (01:44:11)
You're saying, oh, Boda car is six years old. Screw 'em. And for the phone, you're saying four is not enough.

Ant Pruitt : (01:44:19)
Your ideal number five, five is

Leo Laporte: (01:44:21)
Between five would be good. I six is a little too much, honestly. Uh, because, uh, I think by then there's gonna be stuff that you maybe can't fix with a software, a six month phone. I don't know. Maybe that's a six year old car that, well, car is a car is what a, what we call a durable. Good, but a phone isn't

Ant Pruitt : (01:44:41)
Yeah. I wonder about phones that are, you know, five plus five plus years old and just how good are they functioning anyway, if even if they are patched up from a security standpoint, just are people still using phones that old

Leo Laporte: (01:44:55)
Well that's yeah. I mean, some people obviously are, cause they, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I hear from people all the time have really old phones, you know, iPhone sixes or, uh, you know,

Ant Pruitt : (01:45:05)
Well, and I, I ask that because they they're giving away phones a lot of times, you know how well

Leo Laporte: (01:45:10)
That's my advice, people call the radio show, uh, cuz you know, they're turning off 3g in fact 2 22, uh, I think it's, T-Mobile's turning off 3g. And so a lot of phones, even if they have LTE for data, uh, but if they use 3g for signaling, there's a lot of phone, surprisingly recent phones that won't work anymore. Right.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:45:31)
So yeah. Cause for when 4g launched, they didn't have voice over 4g. They had to do so. Yeah. But those are, I mean that was a long time ago, but yeah, people are still using it. I mean I just got my 3g modem replaced in my car.

Leo Laporte: (01:45:45)
Yeah. That's actually where you see a lot of them. So, uh, T-Mobile says it's gonna finish shutting down sprint CDMA network, March 31st, uh, 4g network, June. Wow. 3s money really first. Yeah. I mean these are all. Yeah. Cuz these are, you know, it's uh, expensive to, to run these extra, uh, towers. So at and T is going off February this month to, to 22, uh, and Verizon set end of the year, but that's, there's a lot of phones and cars and other things with 3g that won't work

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:46:20)
A lot of old alarm systems. I wrote about it like probably a year or two ago for my podcast or for Stacey. And it, your alarm company should have been sending you things to like get you to upgrade like incentives, to get you to upgrade. But check, some people will be caught unawares, medical

Leo Laporte: (01:46:38)
Devices, tablets, smart watches, vehicle, SOS services, home security systems, and other connected products could be affected that wasn't in the change log, but that's a big deal. Pay attention. Yeah. Google's latest pixel six update the one in the February patch breaks. Some things, some owners say WiFi's randomly shutting off SI or Bluetooth and or Bluetooth or Bluetooth SI. So, but you know, you fix the thing, you bring a thing, it's the way of the world. Some things fix some things. Is it broken? Is it, is it, I mean

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:47:14)
Before we got to like everything software.

Leo Laporte: (01:47:18)
Yeah. Thank you. You know? Okay. Our dishwasher, we keep breaking dishwashers. Uh, we are on our third dishwasher and a years, nine years we moved into twice. I heard a story about this. Yeah. Oh yeah. Lisa's probably tell. So last dishwasher she's quite colorful. 10 people came out. I mean literally couldn't fix it finally at one guy who comes out with diagnostic tools says, oh yeah, all the circuit boards are fried. Replaces them dishwash works fine. It dies later. We replace it with, I think it's a KitchenAid. Ooh. Some guy comes out who is kind of not the sharpest tool.

Leo Laporte: (01:48:02)
He that's not what she said. He looks at it and he touches the, he says the motor feels fine. And then, uh, I think it's fine. And let me know if it doesn't work and then it doesn't work and it feels fine. It feels fine. He like felt it. And, and then, and then it doesn't work. Dishwasher, whisperer. It doesn't work. And then, so we got the extended warranty. It's only a year in some months old, but the extended warranty. And um, we called and said, yeah, no, he didn't fix it. Uh, we keep getting parts in the mail, but then they said, we can't find anybody to fix. It said what? We can't, we don't have anybody else. That's it. He's the guy. And so Lisa tries calling somebody else, you know, we'll you know, and they said, yeah, we could fix it in a year, a year. Geez. A year book out the chain a year. Maybe it, I don't know what it is. It's not, no, it's not a supply chain issue. It's a service technician issue. I don't know if you've noticed this, invest the Maytag. Well, let me tell you the Maytag repair man used to be, and then he became quite ignored. Yeah. Maybe they, maybe they all retired. Do you have a hard time getting handyman plumbers, technicians, things like that. Do you have a hard time getting them? We can't do any. Yes. There's it's

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:49:26)
It's both a retirement issue and a lack of recruitment coming

Leo Laporte: (01:49:31)
In for a great resignation. I don't know. And

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:49:33)
Then people had money from their COVID yeah. Fees, not fees, whatever. And so they invested in the

Leo Laporte: (01:49:42)
Like people improvement. This is a shame. People are not going into the trades anymore. I agree.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:49:48)
Yes. Yes.

Leo Laporte: (01:49:51)
Anyway,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:49:52)
We're on like and what

Leo Laporte: (01:49:54)
Are we gonna do about that? We're hand washing dishes. That's all it is too. Um, Lisa's okay. She's now gone to the insurance. You know, the third party. I, I always, I never buy third party insurance going to them and she's saying, okay, now what are you gonna do? You're gonna get some, a dishwasher because we are now without a dishwasher and you, we have parts. You've set us parts. We, you have parts. I'm sure there's a YouTube video on how to fix it. Oh, I already tried that dude. Oh, I tried that.

Jeff Jarvis: (01:50:22)
Is there, is there a button on the dish while there's that says go to terminal?

Leo Laporte: (01:50:26)
I could do it. That's

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:50:28)
If I turn the dishwasher off again and on again.

Leo Laporte: (01:50:30)
But, but so with this, I think it was a, she said it was a GE I think it was a GE, there was, uh, there was diagnostic tools. Like, you know, you go to a garage and they plug in your car. Is that true for all appliances these days? Or?

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:50:45)
Yes. Most appliances. Even those that are aren't connected. We'll have some sort of diagnostic. Cause

Leo Laporte: (01:50:50)
They're, they're all computer. They all have boards running them. Right. They all have computers. Yeah. And the problem is this guy doesn't have this tool. So he has to put his hand on the thing. I just need to find somebody who has the tool, who could say what's wrong. And then we'll know which of the many parts they have sent us to install. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:51:09)
Oh man. Unfortunately it might be a part that's in short supply. Like that's the big issue. Like my dad's might be, they fried the circuit boards in their fridge and unfortunately there's chip shortage out there.

Leo Laporte: (01:51:21)
You get oh, interesting. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. Wow. We've uncovered a, uh, another problem. It,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:51:29)
My dad's a double E so he is like, what's he doing? Maybe I could just play with the board and uh, see

Leo Laporte: (01:51:34)
If I, I got a Saturn iron. I'm not afraid to use it. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis: (01:51:38)
We're all gonna be in the metaverse without any refrigerators or dishwashers

Leo Laporte: (01:51:41)
And we'll be happy dystopia. That's it. Right. You'll have a dishwasher, but you'll have to. Yeah. You'll have a little tube that you suck. Well, what happens when the metaverse breaks? That's what I'm thinking. Pixel three and three XL. This is your final update. This February security patch. That's it. It's over. So

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:52:02)
No, that's what I gave my daughter. This February.

Leo Laporte: (01:52:06)
Today, the one you just got

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:52:08)
It's out of a biscuit. All right. I gotta get her a different

Leo Laporte: (01:52:11)
Phone. You know, I've got this fine folding phone. She might enjoy. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:52:15)
That's true. I'll give her my five. If I get this folding

Leo Laporte: (01:52:17)
Phone. Oh, we're gonna, we gotta, we got a FedEx access to you right away. Get this to you. Stat Pronto. Well, she's good for another month at least. But I'll well, we'll get this to you right away. It's in perfect condition. I'll even include I'll no additional charge. The handy Danny leather case that goes on it. Look at there's a case on that thing. Look at that. Yeah. Oh yeah. You want the case? Cuz otherwise you're bare backing it. It's not good. Look, Leah,

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:52:41)
Look at Leah. Why don't I just send you money for it?

Leo Laporte: (01:52:44)
No, no, no, no, no, no. I insist. I don't mind. I don't mind. I really don't. I tried to get money for it. Samsung was gonna gimme 350 bucks for it, but then you know, nothing. So that's what it, a case say. Nevermind the phone. Can you gimme that cooking thing you like no. Thermo makes, so the problem without the case is I don't, you probably can't see it, but it's kind of like a closed. It doesn't bothered you before it bothers me. But you put the case on it, seals it all up. I have to put a case in all my phones cuz they oh, me too. They just feel like what? Like they might just slip right outta my little hands. Slick. Yeah. They're slippery. You're gonna actually I predict you're gonna, you're gonna flip. You're gonna love this. You're gonna love this phone.

Leo Laporte: (01:53:23)
If I may quite a phrase. I think it's good. I really like it. If I didn't have pitch ever all these other phones, I would be more interested in Android. 12 L the hated version, beta three coming. Now, if you want, if you're on the beta track for pixel six, pixel six pro and you're on a 12 L right? No, I'm not doing beta. I would that daggon production software doesn't work. Wow. I want the right he's uh, maybe, maybe Jason's on it. I don't know. I, I thought probably Mr. How Jason who's living on the edge in the TWiTstudio. Yeah. Somebody's and finally, uh, the Google Chrome icon has been updated. I defy you. Yeah. IY you to tell the difference. Now the old one you could tell like that that's a 3d that looks like assign, right. It's just slightly larger into center, sir.

Leo Laporte: (01:54:17)
Slightly larger, slightly larger center. And I think there's a little gradient on the red to give it a little highlight, like the light shining on it. But boy, uh, if you didn't see him exactly next to each other, like this, even looking at next to each other, it hardly seems how many tests and focus groups and meetings did they go through to get that? Do you remember in the old days, Marisa Meyer, who was in charge of Google's front page? Yeah. There's there were when their big product was search, you know, it's very adamant. You can't change it. It's and she would go through all those OK. Groups about the colors and all that stuff. AB testing, not focus groups. AB testing. Yeah. All data real hard data. Now the, I wish you'd come back. Cuz the search page is junked up. Like nothing. Look at all this crap. Ooh. Yeah. It is like shopping on Amazon or going to a TJ Mac store or some, I mean it's well, it's not that experience. There's a lot. There's a lot more, I mean the carbon and neutral since 2007, blah blah, blah, lots of links. I's still pretty spare compared to most compared to most it's better. Yeah. And that is the Google change.

Leo Laporte: (01:55:21)
It's one of the best change logs in the while was good. Uh, thank you, Jason Roblox, just we're talking about in game purchases, how valuable they are half a billion dollars in 2021 in game money going to people, making creators, making stuff for Roblox. That is a big business. That is a big and that's exactly what meta is looking at is stuff like that. I'm sure. Oh gosh. Yeah. Um, oh gosh, if we oh no there's more.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:55:55)
You don't learn. This is a very full show.

Leo Laporte: (01:55:58)
Well, okay. I don't wanna, we're not gonna go too. He hates to scroll on the big, I don't like to scroll. It's a lot of movement is wrist flopping movement.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:56:07)
Oh, sorry.

Leo Laporte: (01:56:11)
Uh, I don't want, you talked about age verification

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:56:13)
In porn. Oh we could talk about arm. Okay. Like moral

Leo Laporte: (01:56:18)
Panic, like chips and porn. I could do it quickly if you're in the UK and you're underage, you'll have to go to a bar and show 'em your ID to get into a porn site. That's all.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:56:29)
If you're anybody and just wait for that

Leo Laporte: (01:56:31)
Data breach. Just, just wait, if you think ID me was bad. Oof. ORs Johnson will be in there. Yeah. And actually there's some talk about implementing that in the us. I can't imagine given that privacy it's porn and apple pie here in America, um, that they would do that. Yeah. Privacy, big deal. But age verification, this has been going back and forth in the UK for some time. Now tell

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:56:57)
USS a lot of planning ahead to look at porn.

Leo Laporte: (01:57:01)
Exactly. It's no longer, no longer an impulse, you know, no spur. The moment Thursday

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:57:09)
Is porn day around here.

Leo Laporte: (01:57:11)
Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:57:13)
Hop on down to the pub. Get certified in,

Leo Laporte: (01:57:17)
Uh, let's do the, uh, Invidia story there. They were trying to buy arm. As funny as they first bid was like 20 billion. And then as the value of uh, Invidia stock kept going up, it ended up, I think 42 billion at this point Avidia might be going who we dodged a bullet. Uh, they've decided because of regulatory headwinds. That's the new word. By the way, in finance markets, regulatory headwinds, they are not gonna attempt to buy arm. They will have to pay more billion dollars in breakup fees to SoftBank. The current owners, SoftBank has decided to do an I P O because they, they wanna, they wanna wash their hands of this thing. Yeah. What do you think Stacey? Good, bad. You did it.

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:57:58)
Um, no, it's totally reasonable. I mean, when your own customers are coming out against the deal and complaining to regulators, that it's a, a bad idea. You probably shouldn't complete the deal. And so arm has to be an independent entity going forward. I mean, it's just

Leo Laporte: (01:58:15)
Yeah. Too many. Yeah. If any one company owned it, although, you know, I kind of had this evil, you know, genius thing of that who would be so cool if arm and a video were the same and they could just do this amazing stuff, but you're absolutely right. It's bad for everybody else in the business. The next

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:58:34)
Thing to look for, like the reason why it would not be, I'll just play a little devil's advocate. The reason why this is silly and the deal should have gone through is because risk five is coming out hard and fast. Oh, I hope you're right to compete on the instruction set side. Oh, in Intel this week just said, Hey, you know what? We are gonna be all in on risk five. We're gonna do a Foundry partnership with sci five, which makes a chip C configurator kind of thing. Um, for risk five chips. If so you don't need to design your own if you don't want to. Um, and we're even gonna manufacture some arm chips. So, you know, if I were looking ahead, I would say to the RM, I P O sure that needs to be done, but keep risks five in your kind of real for you, cuz that's more open than what arm is doing. When you think about arm being more open than the X 86 license. I think

Leo Laporte: (01:59:27)
That's all the chip, correct me if I'm wrong. But I think if risk five is kind of like an open source chip architecture, right? That

Stacey Higginbotham: (01:59:33)
It is an open source chip architecture. That is exactly what it is. But there are companies like sci-fi that are building ways to make it easier for like I couldn't design a ship even with that. Um, but like, I don't know if you, if you, if you try sci-fi site, you can go in and you're like, oh, I would like, you know, two L two CAS. I would like these ports. I would like this kind of core that processes Linux and something

Leo Laporte: (01:59:58)
Else kind of like what you do if you buy an arm license

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:00:02)
Might have, but you don't have to buy an arm license to do it. Yeah.

Leo Laporte: (02:00:05)
Develop UC Berkeley. Uh, it's not brand new. It's about 10 years old. Um, it's just new in the chip world. It's a small instruction set, but risk five. The reason Intel likes this is because Intel has an in effect become two companies. One a design firm continue to make the X 86 stuff. They have already been making the other a Foundry. They want a Foundry business kind of like TSMC. Uh, and they want to build risk five chips, risk five probably has a future though, in some of the areas where, you know, we've seen these chip shortages, the legacy, not the, not the big powerful chips in PCs and max, but the legacy nodes in, uh, along risk five embedded devices and stuff.

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:00:46)
I actually think where you're gonna see risk five. So the big trend in computing is more single, not single purpose. It's not general purpose computing anymore. Right? Yeah. We, we need to get the most performance per one. You

Leo Laporte: (02:01:00)
Would see risk five stuff in IOT, you think?

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:01:03)
Yeah. There's actually companies building risk five for IOT. Um, you see right now the, where it's most popular is like Western digital Invidia, Seagate. They all make risk five chips for governing their own like,

Leo Laporte: (02:01:16)
Oh, so people are already making risk five process. Oh yeah. Oh, I didn't realize that. I thought we were just at the beginning of that. So they performant and they work and, and people like 'em and yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:01:27)
People are now you're not seeing them to, I mean, they're the chips that control the chips on your boards. Right, right, right. But they could be used for a huge, you can design something for a huge number of things. And that becomes really important because like, when you think about like a machine learning process, you're like, oh, what kind of, what kind of neural network are you doing? Are you doing a convolutional neural network? Are you doing like a adversarial network? You know, let's optimize the hell out of a chip. And because you don't have to like the ma like the larger licensing fees. Mm. And because you can build it yourself and just ship it off to be manufactured, you get a lot more flexibility there. And so you're gonna see this whole like opening it, it is gonna be really, I mean, if you're like me, it's really freaking cool If you're, and if

Leo Laporte: (02:02:19)
You're like you maybe not. No, it's, I'm, I'm actually very interested. I think it's great. Uh, remember the fuss when Google announced we're gonna turn on two factor or two step as they call it verification for a bunch of people and good luck. Well, Google says, uh, we turn it on for 150 million people and it has led to a 50% decrease in compromised accounts. It's been a success, 150 million people, uh, suddenly have two step authentication. Maybe you're one of them. Uh, of course we've been saying for a long time as has Google, turn it on, turn it on. But, uh, I guess the differences at this point. So they just did

Ant Pruitt : (02:03:02)
That for their test group. That's just how I read this. Correct. This isn't something that was pushed out to everyone by

Leo Laporte: (02:03:07)
Default. No, no. Uh, they're gonna continue auto enrollments in 2022. I'm not sure what qualifies you. Right? Cause as an enrollee, it's 150 million. It's it's in that. And I'm like test group. It's a big number for a test group. Um, they, so I guess they're doing it judiciously and, and this is the first result, which is it's, it's worked at least in making people more secure. What I'd like to know is, is how many people got locked out of their accounts? How many people quit Google forever? You know, how, how, how bad it was for the people who just didn't like it. But, uh, you know what I think Google's right to do it. So, and it does work good stuff. Yep. Uh, the, this pretty, uh, it's not onerous. It's the thing where you get the announcement for Google on your phone that you say, yeah, that was me.

Leo Laporte: (02:04:02)
And then you're logged in. It's like single sign on. So it's not, you don't have to have an authenticator. You don't to it. It's not bad. It's actually, I love it. Yeah. Uh, I've had it for a long time. In fact, it's funny because I was just trying to buy that Samsung phone in order to log into my Samsung account. They said, okay, we just sent, uh, a push occasion to your Samsung phone. Everybody's doing it now. Uh, apple does it too. So I think that's so does Shopify Shopify does it? Yeah, I think that's good. And it's not a text message. That's the other thing. It's a push. It's a push notification. It's not a text message by the way, Stacey, look at the beautiful wallpapers you get with this come. That's lovely. Galaxy flip three. Uh, I can't wait. MEA is adding a personal boundary to your legless virtual avatar so that nobody can goose you to, to eliminate harassment.

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:05:01)
I don't think that's the kind of harassment. I mean, that's fine, but that's not really, no, it, there were cases

Jeff Jarvis: (02:05:05)
Of people who,

Leo Laporte: (02:05:06)
Um, close talkers.

Jeff Jarvis: (02:05:08)
Uh, no who got, um, virtually assaulted,

Leo Laporte: (02:05:14)
Uh, women. Yeah. I've heard this, but what anyway, there's a two foot radius of virtual per personal space. So there's in effect four feet between all avatars it's it's

Jeff Jarvis: (02:05:25)
That and, and virtual COVID doesn't

Leo Laporte: (02:05:27)
Get you to, you could get virtually groped. Is that what you're saying? But you're not because it's just, I mean, it's just, okay.

Jeff Jarvis: (02:05:33)
I know, but it was way to represent,

Leo Laporte: (02:05:36)
Right? Yeah. Well, it's

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:05:37)
Like, pretend I'm talking to you about chips and I'm really excited to tell you about arm and instruc sets. And you're like virtually grabbing my boobs. I'm gonna be like,

Leo Laporte: (02:05:45)
That's not nice. You know what? Yeah, no, you're right. Well, I think those people should just be kicked out entirely. Yeah. But if this is, if this helps, if this fixes it, that's good. Now I be

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:05:58)
Nice. I mean, cuz then no, I legs might make the issue worse maybe. Oh,

Leo Laporte: (02:06:03)
You're right. Don't have legs. Oh, you're absolutely right. Maybe we should just be floating heads.

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:06:11)
That's a

Leo Laporte: (02:06:11)
Possibility Peter teal is leaving the Facebook board. That sounded like good news. It's until I heard that, what he's gonna do is focus on the 2022 midterms. Oh crap.

Jeff Jarvis: (02:06:26)
Well, what she could have done anyway. What? Like, like the board stops him from doing that, doing that all along. Maybe, maybe

Leo Laporte: (02:06:31)
If he's too partisan.

Jeff Jarvis: (02:06:32)
Well, uh, oh, like, like he was Mr. Neutral

Leo Laporte: (02:06:35)
Before. Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis: (02:06:37)
Oh yeah. I, I think, I think somebody,

Leo Laporte: (02:06:40)
I don't know, he's a Trumper and he's got a slate of candidates who are allies of the former president that he wants to, uh, throw money at. And he's got a lot of money.

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:06:50)
Hey, and I imagine no company wants to be on super partisan plot. No, company's gonna be like, yeah. I would

Leo Laporte: (02:06:55)
Think that I would think Facebook might. Yeah, they didn't. Yeah. They let I put up with it. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:07:02)
I think it was more hidden earlier on. Right. And now they're like, yeah, if you're doing this again. No, no.

Leo Laporte: (02:07:11)
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Stacey Higginbotham: (02:11:30)
My thing, isn't a thing this week. Um, it's a, it's an app, it's a tour. Um, two tours, minor black history tours of places I've lived. And I just thought these were, I I've done the Austin one. Um, but I have not done the one for Seattle yet, but I was like, Ooh, this looks fun. So I saw that in the Seattle times,

Leo Laporte: (02:11:52)
It's called the green book, which I love. Is it based on the original green book?

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:11:57)
Yes. So basically both of these, the, the, the Seattle one is the one I haven't done, but it's an app. So if you go on your phone, you can download the app and it's an audio self-guided tour around parts of

Leo Laporte: (02:12:12)
Seattle's. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:12:13)
That's neat. It kind of gives a lot of information about any, anybody who was black living there before. And I think it's, I think it's important to understand, you know, how much cities have historically paved over black communities. Yeah. Um, as part of cognitive, I mean,

Leo Laporte: (02:12:34)
You know, was originally, so this was developed by black and tan hall, a Seattle organization as an in person guided tour. But after COVID they decided, you know, we should make this, uh, online and audio. I think that's really, really cool. And you can just listen yourself. Um, that's really cool. And,

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:12:53)
And you get to know your city. So I did that Seattle and then I had done one and this one gets updated all the time. This is a virtual tour of the UT campus. Um, which y'all may be aware of has some incredibly racist traditions. Oh

Leo Laporte: (02:13:07)
Really? Um, no, I wasn't. Okay. Were you really not? No, I didn't know. I mean, oh, okay. We had Confederate statues up until yeah. When I was S to, uh, uh, see the Austin state house. There's a lovely statue, uh, about state's rights right there in the front. And it's like, yeah, yeah. I know what state's rights means. Okay, fine. That's probably gone too. I would imagine it's been, it was there when I went to south by five years ago. Four years ago. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:13:32)
I mean, even when I was going to school at UT Austin, it was a tour guide there. Like we had a, a south, the south mall. Oh yeah. They had a Jeff Davis.

Leo Laporte: (02:13:41)
Geez. Yeah. That,

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:13:42)
And like part of the stated tour from lots of people was lots of tour guide was like, this fountain here is an honor of the rising again, one day it will happen. And I'm like, oh, no wonder. We don't have any people who are black here. Save your Confederate

Leo Laporte: (02:13:56)
Dollars boys. The south rise again

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:14:01)
That, so, oops. So yeah. So this is the UT tour in, there's just lots of really interesting information. Like I don't, I think it's, I, I love learning the history of any place and learning a history that's been actively erased is always, I think, worthwhile.

Leo Laporte: (02:14:17)
Were you at the women's, uh, were you in the women's hall or did you by then, were they kind of sec, uh, you know, integrated? Did they allow the ladies part of the, part of the rest of the campus?

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:14:27)
I stayed off campus. Okay.

Leo Laporte: (02:14:29)
And I went to Yale, I to Yale in, uh, 73, they had only recently allowed women at Yale. And, uh, for a long time, the women were in one dorm building way at the end, like as far away as possible from the guys. And, uh, you know, actually I don't the history of black people at Yale, black men, Yale is longer than the history of women at Yale, which is surprising. Yeah. They, they really didn't like women. I don't know why this is cool. I like this Austin one gearing hall, painter hall, steps of the west mall, south mall, Jefferson Davis,

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:15:07)
Like anybody who's interested in it. Wow. There's a whole, the whole area of across the street from the west campus, it was a, uh, black community called wheat bill, which there's the, we bill co-op a little further down there, but I was like, what? And then those, the people who lived there were really excited and they advocated for the, the creation of UT. And then UT like basically once they were there demand for real estate, just totally like bulldoze the entire black section of town. Oh, that's push them over to the east side, which now gentrification is doing the same thing.

Leo Laporte: (02:15:42)
Right. For sure. I was gonna saying, sounds like gentrification, to me, fascinating. So Seattle and, uh, Austin or you team anyway,

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:15:50)
I would encourage you to look for these sorts of things in your own cities. If this is, I mean,

Leo Laporte: (02:15:56)
I was gonna say that I was just gonna say that. I think I, you know, when we were in Hawaii, we did these, uh, tours. You put, bring in your car and you drive around. I love this idea. You've got a phone, you've got an internet. You could actually give your own tours of all sorts of stuff. This is a great idea. Great idea. The green book, Seattle green book, self-guided tour from black and tan hall,

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:16:20)
Which has, yeah. I have an exhibit dedicated to the green book. I think that opens this weekend.

Leo Laporte: (02:16:26)
Ah, you, yeah. Look at this merch. You might like some of this stuff. This is cool. This is pretty cool. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Nice stuff. Thank you, Stacey. It's black history month. I almost forgot. So thank you for helping us commemorate it. Jeff. Nice picks. You got

Jeff Jarvis: (02:16:44)
Some number few media things here. All right. So after Hamilton went on to Disney and wonder woman went on to on yeah. HBO and Greyhound went on apple. Uh, of course there was a huge spike in, in, in subscriptions, six months later, uh, one half who had signed up within three to days, the release of each we're gone. Wow. Now you could look at that as a major failure, half, I always saw half stayed and it's a new plateau,

Leo Laporte: (02:17:18)
Right?

Jeff Jarvis: (02:17:21)
So that's one that's the other one is on Axios. If you, you to scroll, I hate to make you scroll Leo. I don't want your, uh, down to number six, uh, in the Axios thing. Cause there's no permanent link, which is rather surprising. Actually they track, uh, TikTok followers for select media outlets. So ESPN not surprisingly has 22 million wow. TikTok followers. Wow. Washington post, which has a fulltime guy and just had another one only has a million that's half I, my

Leo Laporte: (02:17:50)
Sons

Jeff Jarvis: (02:17:52)
Prepare and that my son is

Leo Laporte: (02:17:54)
Twice as big.

Jeff Jarvis: (02:17:55)
Yes. Most of these outlets, salt and Hank beats them. He's twice. Some TMZ for God sakes. He's twice Buzzfeed.

Leo Laporte: (02:18:05)
I love that.

Jeff Jarvis: (02:18:06)
Wow. He's twice ABC news and USA today and sports illustrate salt, Hank folks, salt underscore Hank's

Leo Laporte: (02:18:14)
He's doing, uh, if you, if you go to the, uh, apple app store and search for TikTok, he's featured on the, uh, app store because he's doing a, uh, a thing with taste made. Uh that's I guess, a romantic dinner for two, which is a ironic. But anyway, uh, since I don't think he has a girlfriend, maybe he does have a girlfriend. I don't know. Uh, he doesn't, he doesn't tell me, probably not telling dad. He's not telling dad. Let's see if he's still on there. No, they took it down. I guess he did it, but they were promoting a live event. He was gonna do with taste made on right there on the app store, which was kind of cool. Yeah. That's amazing. He's uh, he's up there

Jeff Jarvis: (02:18:53)
With the, the heart throb

Leo Laporte: (02:18:54)
Is that it Hank the heart throb, he's almost got as many TikTok followers as CBS news. That's pretty amazing. Now the digital ones do a little bit. Now this is 4 million busts 3 million, but honestly it's the, it's what they're putting up there, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's, he's got 1.8 million followers and uh, ungodly number of likes and it's like 30 or 40 million. Geez,

Jeff Jarvis: (02:19:22)
Very cool. But, but once again, I was just watching, I was just going tick TikTok last night and I was, I was, you know, going through and going through and get my, my wrist all floppy and going through and going through. And then I said, I haven't seen salt Hank in ages and I follow salt

Leo Laporte: (02:19:35)
Hank. Yeah, me too. I don't understand the algorithm at all. I typed in salt, Hank. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt : (02:19:42)
Yeah. I get the notifications. That's what I have to do published. Um, days later though,

Leo Laporte: (02:19:48)
He was, uh, in the, uh, radio show, uh, in the studio. I interviewed him on the radio

Ant Pruitt : (02:19:52)
Show on Sunday. That was so funny. It was

Leo Laporte: (02:19:54)
So funny. And he, and he decided to recreate a photo when he was a baby. And I was working at K S O in San Francisco. He came in and sat on my lap and that's me with him on my, and then this is obviously he's a little bit bigger now, in fact, I'm looking up to him. So that was kind of fun. Yes. Only salt Hank has changed in that picture. I know him. My hair's a little whiter than it. It was, he's a, he's a sweet guy. That's an adorable, he's a really sweet guy. Yeah. And thanks to real Europe groups who did the Photoshop, cuz uh, he took of two photos and put 'em together on the TWiTset, which is

Ant Pruitt : (02:20:30)
Hysterical. Love it.

Leo Laporte: (02:20:33)
And Pruit pick of the week, my friend.

Ant Pruitt : (02:20:37)
Uh, let's see. I have two first one. I wanted to say thank you to Joe Esposito. I'm hoping, I'm saying your last name correctly. Um, I was on his show. Uh Theo's on nightmare recently. Joe was actually a member of, um, of our club. Oh nice. In discord. And he watches Joe this show and we had a lot of fun. Mr. Mr. Um, Jarvis, we even talked about um, cold type and stuff and got into talking about thoughts. Cause he's a, he's a, uh, graphics, um, graphics designer. So I

Leo Laporte: (02:21:06)
Believe it, when I look at his websites gorgeous and look, he does all his links in like a type that's

Ant Pruitt : (02:21:13)
Kind of cool. It's pretty nice, but it was a really, really fun conversation. And I appreciate him having the on just to chit chat and have a beer or two, um, ozone

Leo Laporte: (02:21:24)
The ozone nightmare is the name of the

Ant Pruitt : (02:21:25)
Podcast. The ozone nightmare. Yeah. Is the show. And next I just wanted to say a big, thank you to miss Robin Robert Y of her. Oh yeah. Good morning America. Um, I'm a paid subscriber to masterclass and you know, I've been on a mission of trying to get better and be a better version of Ant Pruitt, whether it be personally or professionally. And so I spent a lot of time in masterclass and I've been watching her class and actually finished it now just regarding, uh, public speaking and, and presentation. Is

Leo Laporte: (02:21:59)
It like me, a media training class. That's

Ant Pruitt : (02:22:01)
Cool. It's, it's brilliant. It's brilliant. Now granted, there's some things I know already, but it was nice just to get her perspective and, and her being a woman of color ha being a woman in the industry and the things that she's seen that I hadn't seen and, and, and bringing it to light and just helping people to, you know, that are curious about getting into broadcast and a content creation and so forth. It it's, I love it. Not trying to sound like an ad, but yeah. Masterclass used to sponsor us at some point in time, but man, I love it. I, I bought the subscription right away and I use it all the time and that class right there is, is worth it in gold right there.

Leo Laporte: (02:22:40)
I I'm gonna have to go check it out. I still have my account. That's great. That's real like great. Yeah. Masterclass is amazing at the people that get in there. It's

Ant Pruitt : (02:22:47)
Kinda unbelievable stuff in there. Samuel Jackson's masterclass. Oh, is that good acting?

Leo Laporte: (02:22:52)
Oh my God. Is that good

Ant Pruitt : (02:22:54)
Man? There's one, there's one part in there. I won't give too much of it away where he talks about having to dress like a bum in some part, in some film that he was, he had to dress like a bum and he was inspired by that based off of a personal situation where he was on the subway in New York and got home was heading home, fell asleep in the subway and woke up with somebody laying on him. That was, that had bugs and stuff crawling all over him. And he would was just, it it's sicken him a little bit. So he says he ran home and he got in the shower and just like, oh God. And then he is like, that's what I need people to feel when I am this bum on this TV show or movie or whatever it was. And so it, it inspired him to be able to, you know, present that back to the people, watching that film.

Leo Laporte: (02:23:46)
He's an amazing guy, really amazing and a great actor. Uh, thank you, Ant man. If you start acting like, uh, those two I'm in trouble,

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:24:00)
The Ant Robin Roberts bash up. I can see the Ant Samuel L. Jackson mashup. It's a little harder to picture, but

Leo Laporte: (02:24:07)
Sure. He's too sweet. He's too sweet. Isn't he? Yeah, yeah.

Ant Pruitt : (02:24:10)
Yeah. Nice. I'm just trying to get better at, at this stuff. Just say this

Leo Laporte: (02:24:14)
That's all it is. I, no mother fing snakes on this mother. Fing plane. Just say that. That's awesome.

Ant Pruitt : (02:24:23)
That's awesome. I'm serious. I, I just want to get better just I look at, at you and I look at Mr. Mr. Um, how, and I look at Mr. Sergeant and I'm like, yeah, these, these cats, they got it. They're they're, they're so good. And oh, I just wanna sharpen my

Leo Laporte: (02:24:37)
Don't be silly. You're fantastic. People are sending

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:24:40)
You liquor. You're doing things.

Leo Laporte: (02:24:43)
You're just,

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:24:44)
You are an authentic being and that is

Leo Laporte: (02:24:46)
What we love. No, you got, you got it. Absolutely haven't but Hey, you know, that's great. Everybody should work hard to become better, except me. I'm working, I'm working hard to retire, but that's another story for

Ant Pruitt : (02:25:00)
Another that's where I'm trying to get to

Leo Laporte: (02:25:05)
At pro at hands on photography, TWiTdo hop. He's also the community manager at our club. TWiTgive us a plug for club TWI. Well

Ant Pruitt : (02:25:16)
For club TWI, that is our members, uh, platform that allows you to catch all of our shows ad free here on the network. But that's not even the, the main perk. Quite honestly, the main perk is the discord agree with the bonus content. That's so cool. Yeah, there's a lot of people joined up and they have random conversations about different con uh, different topics inside of our discord server. And then there's the monthly ish uh, bonus content that we throw out there. In addition to the stuff that we don't, um, show on the, um, cutting room floor, got the book club with miss Stacey Higgin, bought them where you know, where we talk about some books that I have no idea about, but it's still a lot of fun. Uh, and then I have some fireside chats and AMAs, and you know, like this Friday, February 11th for PM in Pacific, Mr. Mike ELGAN and his better half, or be in the studio to sit down with chief TWiTto talk about the gastro nomad experience. So sign up for a seriously, it's an expensive cup of coffee a month that you have to sacrifice $7 a month and you can get into the club. It's

Leo Laporte: (02:26:20)
Well worth it. A bottle of hot sauce. That's that might be the cause of a unicorn frappuccino today actually probably is. I think of it. Thank you, Ant. Yeah, TWI, uh, TV slash club, TWiTand Friday Mike and I will, uh, be here with, I think Amira's coming too. And uh, that's a lot of fun. Yeah. Uh, Jeff Jarvis, thank you so much. Leonard, a professor director of the town night center, entrepreneur, Elizabeth. You know who Craig? He's here to get outta here. Graduate school of journalism city, university of New York. That's that's go buzz dot. He is podcast did not die during the show. So, uh, we're good. That's a good thing. We'll take that as a win. Yep. Yep.

Ant Pruitt : (02:27:09)
That's a win. It's a

Leo Laporte: (02:27:11)
Win. I know how you feel Jeff. I do. Uh, and of course Stacey Higginbotham Stacey on I ot.com is her website. That's where you'll find the IOT podcast she does with Kevin TOFL uh, the man who's too good for this show. Uh, we try, we try, he spends his, his Wednesdays. He's hanging out with us. I know Python programming. I know he's coding and hanging out with this kid. You can't resent him. No, I don't. I'm just teasing. Actually. I love him. I just said we want, we always want him on, cause we love him so much. Uh, but you got him and that's what's that's what matters. You also have some newsletter there. Get Kevin in this situation.

Jeff Jarvis: (02:27:47)
Yeah. So you know how, how the old Groucho mark show used to, if you said the magic word, the duck say the

Leo Laporte: (02:27:53)
Magic word. Yeah. Duck came down. Yeah. Right.

Jeff Jarvis: (02:27:56)
So I always feel that way. When I wanna say something that turns into the show title. I always wish I could come up with that line. I'm happy when I do is happens rarely, but Stacey, I think did it perfectly from

Leo Laporte: (02:28:05)
That? What is the show title? This one or not for tonight? Show

Jeff Jarvis: (02:28:08)
Title proposed, proposed. And Stacey's theoreticals on top of

Leo Laporte: (02:28:13)
Hypotheticals. That's pretty good. It kinda says it all for the show. I like it from the

Jeff Jarvis: (02:28:19)
Blue haired lady come, these pearls of wisdom.

Leo Laporte: (02:28:21)
Other pearls of wisdom also nominated. I'm gonna go toast. A waffle

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:28:26)
There's always. So people like the waffles. I mean, I like the w I'm down with those people

Leo Laporte: (02:28:31)
Or do you do invisible Mazda call a Husky? Uh, let's see. Corona, mass ejection. The Gaspa police. No Java script for you, but I think you're right. I, I, I do like that. Uh, I think it's a good, I didn't mean I didn't theoreticals. I just wanted to give, is it too long? John theoreticals on top of hypotheticals. Oh, it's Burke here, man. Where where's John man. He's the only guy who knows how long it can be. Oh man. Oh

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:29:00)
Man. Screw people Mazdas up with a too long show title. Oh, he'll be listening

Leo Laporte: (02:29:03)
To it. Let's percentage signs in the show title. Oh gosh, no. That's

Jeff Jarvis: (02:29:10)
Mean that would be Mazda buyers. Come on. That's very mean

Leo Laporte: (02:29:14)
What, what year is your Mazda? Jeff?

Jeff Jarvis: (02:29:16)
2017. I think actually,

Leo Laporte: (02:29:18)
I don't know. I think it's right in there.

Jeff Jarvis: (02:29:21)
It is in that list. Yeah, it is. It is.

Stacey Higginbotham: (02:29:23)
You don't care about you come on out to Seattle land of bridges.

Jeff Jarvis: (02:29:27)
Yeah. You know how much I love that. You'll love. I know I'm like the car will freeze right there.

Leo Laporte: (02:29:31)
. So I think actually the title's gonna be in percent invisible, Mazda percent. Just, you know, just in honor. Yeah, dude. Thanks everybody for Joe on us. We do This Week in Google on a Wednesday around 2:00 PM. Pacific 5:00 PM. Eastern 2200 utc at livedottwit.tv. That's where the live audio video streams live. irc.twit.tv is where the chatroom lives. You don't need an IRC client by the way, a web browser uh, will work fine. We also, uh, can chat in the discord. If you're a member of club TWI, after the fact, all the shows go to the website, twit.tv. If you, uh, wanna download shows for twig, it's, uh, twit.tv/twig. There's also this, we can Google YouTube channel. If you wanna watch the video, we also can, you can also download the video and, uh, I think the way to subscribe, get your favorite podcast player type in This Week in Google or twig. And uh, then, uh, you too will have a copy. The minute it's available. Leave us a five star review if you would. That'd be nice too. Thanks for joining us. And we'll see you next time on This Week in Google. Bye. Bye.

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