This Week in Google Episode 642 Transcript
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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for TWiG, This Week in Google Stacy's here. Jeff's here. Ant's here. We've got lots to talk about the worst malware exploit in the last decade, Julian Assange is coming to America. Can he get a fair trial? And the typo that costs $297,000. It's all coming up next on TWiG.
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This is TWiG, This Week in Google episode, 642 recorded Wednesday, December 15th, 2021, A Clattering of Smartphones. This Week in Google is brought to you by Codeacademy. Join over 50 million people, learning to code with Codeacademy and see where coding could take. You get 15% off your code academy pro membership. When you go to codeacademy.com and use a promo code twig. And by, AT&T active armor. When it comes to security, you already have to lock doors, save passwords, and remember combinations. How about having one less thing to worry about? Thankfully AT&T makes your security a top priority. Download AT&T active armor's free mobile security app to help protect your personal data. So you have one less thing to worry about. It's not complicated AT&T active armor, 24/7 network protection and free security apps to help stop threats before they get to you at no extra charge.
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Leo Laporte (00:02:44):
We can't see the point set, but believe me, there's there's more than enough point Setas on my set to cover all the needs. The point set of needs. Stacy is the ma d at staceyoniott.com lots of events there. There's a free newsletter. And of course she does that great podcast with Kevin. TOFL the IOT podcast. Now in episode 8,052, which is very, something like that. Impressive. No, it's not that many. It's very impressive. Also with us, Jeff Jarvis, you know who he is, Leonard Tow professor for Journalistic Innovation at Craig Craig, Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism at the City University of New York, a little overproduced. I know, but that's,uthat's our Jeff and,uMr. Ant Pruitt from Hands On Photography, you gonna take some time off and I think you are coming up soon.
Ant Pruitt (00:03:45):
Yes, I will, sir. I will take next week.
Leo Laporte (00:03:48):
Are you gonna go to Carolina? Where you, where are you gonna, what are you gonna do?
Ant Pruitt (00:03:51):
No, sir. I'm gonna stay here and sit strategically in the butt groove of my ouch. <Laugh>
Leo Laporte (00:03:56):
Just, just roll right into it. Doesn't it just fits perfectly paid for you as if it were custom ordered. Nice. That sounds like a good thing to do. Sounds like a wonderful thing to do. Simple pleasure, sir. Simple pleasures. All the world is a buzz with log for J the vulnerability the is called log it's a zero day fan and log for J version two, which is a logging program from Apache that appears on a lot of companies service first discovered last Thursday, right after the show on Minecraft servers, we now see it everywhere and yes, nation states are hacking it, including <affirmative> the Chinese hacking group. I wanna call 'em fo bear, but I don't think that's quite, I don't think that's right, but the Chinese hacking group is <laugh> although it would be kind of funny if they were called fo bear.
Leo Laporte (00:04:54):
<Laugh> they but they laugh into the grave, my friend. Oh yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. this is such an easy, it's really not a surprise. It's such an easy hack. Apparently Steve Gibson talked extensively about it yesterday on security. Now that it just it's, you could do it in a browser. You could do it. It's so simple and it gives you full control over the server that is using it for logging. And so it's devastating. And a lot of people worked over the weekend. Some have called it the worst exploit the worst vulnerability in that decade. I think maybe even more than that patches are going out the thing to us, at least to me on this show. That's interesting. And I'm, I wonder if you talked about it on a floss this morning at is that this is an open source project maintained by volunteers, part-time volunteers who spent a lot of hours of the last few days fixing it. And yet it's used by some of the biggest companies in the world for profit mm-hmm
Ant Pruitt (00:05:58):
<Affirmative> for my understanding is it was a lot of hackers played with this tool right out the gate. And I'm like, wait a minute, this is an open source tool for hackers
Leo Laporte (00:06:07):
That's well, no, it's, it's not for hackers. It's for anybody running a server, pretty much it's a logging utility part of the Apache logging services because Apache is used so widely it's it's pretty much stalled everywhere.
Ant Pruitt (00:06:22):
I had a question about this. They talked about it a little bit this morning on Flos weekly and seems like this is a file that's not really, or, or I guess a group of house
Leo Laporte (00:06:34):
That's not really. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (00:06:35):
So the service that's not really touched often. No.
Leo Laporte (00:06:39):
Yeah. Very frequently. You'd install it and just forget about it. <Laugh> so yeah, people don't pay too much attention to it. And the thing that's interesting, and Steve's talked about this a little bit, is that the thing that they're exploiting was actually a feature they know about it. It was a, a feature, oh boy, we had support for user to find MES objects and it didn't do a lot of protecting, you know filtering. Pre-Procesing and so oh boy. Yeah. So it's a, it's, it's quite a vulnerability was discovered by the Alibaba cloud security team. You know, pretty much every server in the world runs it. And and because it's so easy to exploit, it was exploited almost it's a zero day immediately by nation states, by anybody
Ant Pruitt (00:07:34):
With that said, and what happens, who are most vulnerable? Is it, is it not demand
Leo Laporte (00:07:38):
End users? No. No, not your, not your end users because you're not probably not running logging software on your PC, but if you run a server, absolutely. I'm running a bunch of Minecraft servers. First thing I did is run over there and figure out if that was vulnerable. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> Stacy, what was, what were you gonna say? Well, I was
Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:55):
Gonna ask once it's exploited, what kind of powers
Leo Laporte (00:07:59):
Does it give them a remote code? Execution? Oh,
Ant Pruitt (00:08:02):
Leo Laporte (00:08:04):
Oh, <laugh> yeah, that's a, that's what we call as bad as it gets, cuz you can get anything to run on the server as a result. And these are servers, including iCloud you know, Amazon web services. These are services that are used by air everybody
Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:20):
Basically. And if you think about Apache is the a and the lamp stack, which is on almost all of the servers running any sort of cloud and web-based service out there. So if you're running a web-based service somewhere, you have a server that's running that and it's probably running. It probably is vulnerable to this.
Ant Pruitt (00:08:42):
Yeah. I was, was thinking about it from the aspect of say the, the big tech companies out there. Are they the ones that are most affected or is it more yes. The mid-range folks to, well, everybody,
Leo Laporte (00:08:55):
All of everybody, every that's the beauty of it, everybody.
Ant Pruitt (00:08:59):
So now we just need to wait on the attacks.
Leo Laporte (00:09:01):
Oh no, they're on right now. The state they're they're happy everybody, everybody and their brothers doing it, the Chinese nation, state hackers, everybody in their brothers doing it. So
Ant Pruitt (00:09:11):
The are not that some of his clients were, were, and he's not, you know, dealing with huge tech companies. But I was just wondering how many more of those smaller clients out there are, are seeing the, the results of this, this flaw.
Leo Laporte (00:09:28):
Yep. Well, and, and that's the other problem is that you could patch the flaw, but if but that's closing the barn door after the oh, horses gotten away and you know, there could be still after the hackers are in. They're already in. Yep. So too late. Yeah. So a version two point 15.0, suppresses the whole if you can't update, well, there are some workarounds, but some in some cases, at least the workaround might be as bad as the as well. No, they're not quite as bad, but they're pretty bad. It, time to go to terminal. Yeah. Yeah. Should I, should I, would you like me to I'm ready? I've got my yeah. Show. Show us how to install. No. Okay. It's okay. Put
Ant Pruitt (00:10:13):
Your hoodie on too. Now you gotta make sure
Leo Laporte (00:10:17):
You're programming tower. That's right. Essentially. You're getting you can with a malformed URL trick, the surf. Perfect. There you look. Good. You look scary. Well, actually, no, you look more like an aged monk. <Laugh> he looks, he looks
Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:31):
Like a sick Lord.
Leo Laporte (00:10:33):
This Lord. I have a, I maybe somebody in the Sy Lord retirement community, perhaps. Oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:41):
Oh, ageism man. Coming from someone who's also old. Oh. And,
Jeff Jarvis (00:10:48):
And a Lord, he goes after a Lord, a nice brother of the internet society.
Leo Laporte (00:10:55):
You know what they do at this Sy Lord retire community. They sit on the front porch and they complain about Luke Skywalker. They just go they're jet ice. I swear. Get off my lawn. Hey so yeah. It's it's so it's bad. We're just gonna, you know, it's gonna be around for a long time. There its just this it's it's the COVID of yeah. Exploit. I mean you've can fix it, but the problem is there's so many servers running all over the place. People aren't maintaining them. People aren't paying attention. You know, this is, this
Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:26):
Is well, here's my plug for SBOs yeah. We wanna talk about software bill of materials. <Laugh> this is a good
Leo Laporte (00:11:33):
Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:34):
This is why
Leo Laporte (00:11:35):
It matters. Have you been dying to get into software? Bill of material talk? Oh
Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:39):
My God. I have been so excited about this. What
Leo Laporte (00:11:41):
Is response? Tell me more.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:45):
Y'all okay. You know how we're building like patchworks of services like we're calling APIs from somebody else we're we're using software, you know, in our, from third party vendors, we're cutting and pasting. It's just a wild west and it's a mess. And the challenge, and this is actually part of the new cyber executive order that was signed late. Oh no, we're still in 2021. <Laugh> it was signed earlier this year. Is that you have to create, what's called a software bill of materials. What? This is, it's a list of all the software that comprises your particular service or
Leo Laporte (00:12:18):
Software program. Oh, that's actually a really good idea. Yes. Cause you would be able to check it. You'd see J for exactly. Log for J there. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:26):
And people have been like, the cybersecurity community has been like, we gotta do this, we gotta do this. And everyone's like, no, it's a fricking pay it in the, but let's not do it. And now we're like thanks to the government finally being like, yeah, you gotta do this because it's cybersecurity. Risk is way too high. So this is a perfect use case of why we need this sort of thing. So you can track quickly and you're like, oh, am I running a version of this? That's gonna be affect why. Yes I am in this server over here in this weird. Yeah. This weird random thing I'm using. So yeah. So that's why SBOs are important. You're gonna hear a lot more about them in the coming year. People try to engage or implement them and you're gonna see a lot of new tools come online. So super nerdy moment.
Leo Laporte (00:13:13):
No, that's a, that's a really great idea. That's pretty cool. Yeah. So here's the so here's the, here's the bad, oh, we don't have to go into detail of how, how it works. It's just, it's bad. It's bad. I was gonna show you the explan. I mean, you don't need to know that you don't need to know that Julian Asange is extradition is speed ahead. Ruled. We're wait. I guess you have to, the home secretary has to say, okay, by the UK high court granted an appeal by the us government asking that they allow him to be extradited to the United States to be tried under the fairly controversial espionage act 18 connected with WikiLeaks. Now the home secretary in the UK gets to decide, I am curious. I asked this on Twitter as well. And I don't know if we reached a consensus.
Leo Laporte (00:14:09):
I mean, look, there's a lot to say a negative about Julian Asange. But the us go going after him for the Chelsea Manning revelations, including, you know, the leaked videos of airstrikes against journalists and civilians that you know, he, he definitely spoke truth to power, right. And, and to some degree the charges are trumped up. They're saying he taught people, had a, I guess Chelsea Manning had a hack in his conversations with her in the chat room. I, I think those are pretty weak. This is that espionage act. Yep. Which can be used as a, as a weapon, as a CUDL as much as a law by the us government. On the other hand, you know, you can make a lot of, you can give a lot of examples where Julian Asange may, may have acted as a agent of the Russian government. You know, that he, you know, there's there's well, like we,
Jeff Jarvis (00:15:08):
Like, we don't have others of those around that.
Leo Laporte (00:15:10):
Yeah. That's true. <Affirmative> what's your take on it, Jeff, do you can Julie, a can Juang get a fair trial in the United States. Is, are these charges fair or is it a chilling? Does it have a chilling effect on, on people, those who would speak truth to power, including journalists?
Jeff Jarvis (00:15:27):
Yeah, I, I, I, I think it, you know, Julian Asange could be a real jerk <affirmative>, but isn't it always the case that you defend rights by defending the rights of jerks and as journalists, we should be standing with him here for the, for the chill that it could put, not only on the journalists, but also on the sources we have and how we could be held liable for being involved with those sources in any ways. And, and in interpretations, you know, if we, oh, here's my phone number, did you just, did you just explain to them how to use a phone? You know, they could reach absurd levels. And can he get a fair trial here? No, I don't think so. I
Leo Laporte (00:16:00):
Don't think so. Now, a journalist, if a journalist, subor somebody to hack to, to do an illegal act in order to get information that journalists that's, that's, that's illegal. And, and as a journalist professor journalism, you would tell your students don't do that,
Jeff Jarvis (00:16:19):
Right? Yes. Right, exactly. That's
Stacey Higginbotham (00:16:21):
And you don't tell someone to go steal documents. You just, if they give you the stolen documents, you're like, oh, cool,
Leo Laporte (00:16:25):
Thanks. So the prosecutors say that Asan helped Chelsea Manning crack a password, did some hacking, which I, I don't think actually happened, allowed her to log into the, which allowed her to log into the sipper net government network using a username that didn't belong to her so that she could sneak in and steal these documents. I think that there's a fairly weak evidence that he a, that may that Asange actually got Manny to do that or taught Manning how to do that. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. But if that is a criminal act, I mean, we're not talking the first amendment here. If, if Asange did that, that would be a criminal act. Well,
Jeff Jarvis (00:17:07):
Let me ask you
Leo Laporte (00:17:08):
Or something. How about, how about act? How about Stacy actively encouraging man to leak information is you're saying that's a beyond the pay as well.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:20):
I'm trying to think about like in reporting, especially around like computer issues and digital files and assets like, like I have sent people like bash script to run on their computers to track like trace routes for like tracking, peering. Like when I'm I'm ready, this is not government service.
Leo Laporte (00:17:39):
I wouldn't do that anymore if I were you.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:42):
Well, I mean, that's actually, I mean, this is how traffic's flowing on the internet. So I, I'm trying to think about like, if you're, if you're handing someone like I I'm trying to get information from a wide I'm reporting out something from a wide arrangement, like a, a wide geographic spread. So I'm, I'm sitting here thinking about
Leo Laporte (00:18:00):
That. I'm like, I'm just pointing out. The espionage act was written in 1917. And if it's a
Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:06):
Pretty, I mean, I know not convinced my sources to like, you know, I don't, I tell, I don't tell them, you know, here's how to pick a lock. And I mean, but what if I sent them a YouTube video on how to pick a lock to go get
Leo Laporte (00:18:17):
Access to yeah. Okay. There you go. Yeah. Or
Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:20):
Just told them to Google
Leo Laporte (00:18:21):
It. Yeah. So the espionage act prohibits obtaining information, recording pictures or copying descriptions of any information were leading the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information may be used for the injury of the United States or the advantage of any foreign nation.
Jeff Jarvis (00:18:39):
Well, but this is also where we have to decide Chelsea banning was whistleblower as you animated earlier. And so is this espionage or is this Patriot Patriot doesn't
Leo Laporte (00:18:52):
Yeah. It's the same question with Snowden, right?
Jeff Jarvis (00:18:55):
What's his name? Oh, winning what's her name? Winning
Leo Laporte (00:19:00):
Reality winning reality that you winner. How can I
Jeff Jarvis (00:19:02):
Forget her first name? Reality winning, yeah. Winner.
Leo Laporte (00:19:05):
I often wanna
Jeff Jarvis (00:19:06):
Leo Laporte (00:19:07):
Winner or Daniel Wellsburg. Absolutely. Going back to the Watergate in Vietnam. He no Penta Pentagon papers. He leaked the Pentagon papers to the times. He also was charged under the espionage act. The judge dismissed charges protecting
Jeff Jarvis (00:19:27):
Yeah, right now we have a judge that's trying to prevent the New York times from publishing material that they have as reporters on James OIF and, and that's prior restraint. And we we've won that fight before on prior restraint. And right now the New York times is losing it. And there's tons of threats to the press and freedom of expression and freedom of speech going on right now. And so, you know, this is, this is troubling.
Leo Laporte (00:19:55):
That's why S Snowden's in Russia. He was charged under the espionage act rather than facing those charges, fled the country and saw asylum in Russia. Much like Asage did in the Ecuadorian embassy. And then later in the UK, he's in prison, in the, okay. And should the home secretary approve pretty Patel approve the requests. He could be on his way to the United States. And I, I think I kind of agree with you. It's not that he wouldn't receive a fair trial so much Jeff it's that it's just like throwing the dice. You don't know. It depends on the judge. It depends on.
Jeff Jarvis (00:20:30):
Yep. Yep. Well is not isn't that somebody, I mean, welcome to justice in America. I was gonna say that all cases a lot less attention. Yeah. Yeah. <Laugh>
Leo Laporte (00:20:38):
Yeah. All right. Well, we'll keep an eye on that one. So I'm
Jeff Jarvis (00:20:42):
Very confused about the alpha of the shelf is over your right shoulder and the three shot and your left shoulder on the one shot. Oh,
Leo Laporte (00:20:49):
He's crossing the line El of the shelf. Cross HES crossing the
Jeff Jarvis (00:20:52):
Line. This is he's there,
Leo Laporte (00:20:54):
There, you're gonna make our audience nauseous. <Laugh> nauseated. Can't cross the line. Right? Ready? I
Speaker 5 (00:21:04):
I've been pressing every button, like when you're off screen to
Leo Laporte (00:21:07):
He's trying to trying D out, Victor's trying to figure out how the elephant, the shelf works. <Laugh> only, John knows that John's on vacation. They're like Jer B. Yeah. Jammer B ain't here. ER's not here, man. Giggling right now he is at home laughing. Let's see. I would like to take a little break and then we come back. It's time to talk about the man of the year. No, it ain't. <Laugh> no. Oh yes. The man of the year, but first a word from code academy. We were we were talking earlier on the show about the fun little exercises I'm with the advent of code. And I have to give a little pat on the back to code academy because it's a, it's where I learned. I think it's Python. It's, I've been taking classes there it's so much fun.
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Leo Laporte (00:25:41):
So it's just influential. I bring that up because <laugh> time, time magazines a person of the year, this year is Elon Musk. Look at that guy. Look at that guy. Wow. I guess that's reasonable. Somebody who's made a, made his mark on for better or for worse on the kind Tesla's introduced electric vehicles and now everybody's making them SpaceX has been a huge success. But he didn't make the electric vehicle this year. That's that's old news. Yeah. Although he did become the richest man in the world this year, thanks to the success of Tesla. So that makes a impress. That's the criterion. Okay. Well it's one of it's one of many, but has Bezos been yes. Bezos? Hasn't he been the,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:35):
Okay. No, I, I, I truly don't know. This feels like one of those silly, like it's kind of like people's sexiest
Leo Laporte (00:26:41):
Man alive in my opinion. Well, in fact,
Jeff Jarvis (00:26:43):
In fact, Stacy fact, Stacy, let me tell you about that. I was in the room, tell me the managing editor had a cover and couldn't think of a cover billing for it. We just had the story. That was it. Oh, the elf went flying there <laugh> and, and just couldn't there was, there was no news. There was no news peg for it. It was just, it was just a celebr story. She pat Ryan, she had no idea what to do. She finally just finally said, oh hell, why don't we just call him the sexiest man alive cover sold like crazy. And of course, an annual institution. Right? Of course it's cheap. It's cheap magazine tricks. It's worse than meaningless. It's you know, if we say we have news judgment, I think time magazines about pandemic and how about the insurrection? Well, and, and those are more important than Elon Musk.
Leo Laporte (00:27:26):
I think the pandemic was, they, they also do a, was last year. Wasn't an event.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:31):
Well, they had the RNA scientists as a group or something. They, they do these like secondary, but for time, isn't it also like a, a moneymaker gala gala kind
Jeff Jarvis (00:27:42):
Of, they have a, that where they have the like hundred most important people. That's yeah. They've they've exploited it yet more. Yeah. It's all BS. It's pure, utter meaningless manipulative cert desperation. BS. Okay.
Leo Laporte (00:27:57):
Thank you. We're talking about, well, not more. We're done talking about
Jeff Jarvis (00:28:02):
The idea of a person. If I had put together the rundown, it wouldn't be here, but I did, but you complained last week about me on the rundown. So I put it. So you can't blame me for this being here
Leo Laporte (00:28:15):
By the way, just to be clear. Now it's just in the financial times, man of the year in on Musk <laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (00:28:23):
And two Ft.
Leo Laporte (00:28:26):
It worked for time. We're gonna, so, alright. Yeah, we don't, we don't have to mention it. We don't have to make a big deal out of it, by the way, Bezos, I don't have a problem with person of the year. If it's someone that has done. No, it was credit two years ago. It was Biden and Harris last year. See, nobody remembers this actually Khashoggi and other journalists who faced persecution in 2018. The me too movement in 2017, Donald Trump in 2016, Angela Merkel in 2015, in 2016. It's
Stacey Higginbotham (00:29:05):
Where they got that great video people
Leo Laporte (00:29:07):
Attacking him. Yeah. Oh my gosh. <Laugh> yeah, that was funny. The Ebola fighters in 2014, Pope Francis 2013, Barack Obama. When was it us? Us. Oh, God, you like that was 2006. You, it was you you're the piece is us in individual content creators on the worldwide web. I guess it was us cuz we were doing the show by then. Weren't we? Yeah, yeah. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> I guess it was us sure. Bill and Munda gates and bono in 2005. Again, those are people doing
Ant Pruitt (00:29:41):
Something for society.
Leo Laporte (00:29:44):
You know it was Rudy Giuliani in 2001 <laugh> oh, I'm sorry. Bezos was, was person. I keep saying, man, by the way, it's per it's many women of won person of the year, 1999 Bezos was oh, that's
Stacey Higginbotham (00:29:58):
Good. All right. That's
Leo Laporte (00:30:00):
Precious. Yeah. He knew ahead of time. He was gonna be the person of the year. Yeah, you're right. It's just to sell magazines. I'm sorry. I gave him any, any time at all.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:30:12):
Well, I mean, if you wanna talk about NFTs and gaming the market through social media and yeah. You know, then I guess
Leo Laporte (00:30:19):
I would've been, look, we talk about him. You know, I would've been the show
Ant Pruitt (00:30:24):
Leo been, he didn't have his shenanigans tied to all of the things that he's done from a research standpoint.
Leo Laporte (00:30:30):
He's a shenanigan on with it shenanigan of the year. <Laugh> Leo. Yeah. I think the TWI should make a new feature. Every, every decide the nerd the, of the year, how we call it the, the, of the year. Yeah. There you go. Better far better. Our twin of the year, this year, aunt Pruitt <laugh> I didn't need an editorial panel or anything. Congratulations. I'd like to the, you with the official Twitter of the year award, it is this lovely. <Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:05):
I don't know. Golden
Leo Laporte (00:31:06):
Dear golden dear award for the twin of the year that we're gonna, this is the first annual will engrave your name.
Ant Pruitt (00:31:15):
Can I add the receipt for that? <Laugh> can I have the receipt?
Leo Laporte (00:31:19):
<Laugh> well actually if you do a, I return it. The price is on the bottom. Ladies, gentlemen, that's right here. The TWI of the year, aunt Pruit, 39 99, this costs 59 99 in Canada. It's called shimmer Noel.
Ant Pruitt (00:31:38):
And the crowd goes yawn.
Leo Laporte (00:31:41):
I give you the <laugh>. Jeff, would you hand that over? Pass it over.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:45):
You can pick your award up in the metaverse an to be waiting it's
Ant Pruitt (00:31:51):
It's an NFT. Send me the receipt please.
Leo Laporte (00:31:57):
Did you see the guy? I don't feel sorry for him at all. He sold the board chimpanzee N Ft. Oh yeah.
Ant Pruitt (00:32:06):
The, for the wrong rate. <Laugh> yeah. Was it 0.3 quarters of any of a, of the
Leo Laporte (00:32:11):
E three quarter? Yeah, he says I fat fingered it and only charged $3,000 for it. I meant to charge $300,000 and it sold almost a for like that much. So whoever bought it, knew what they were doing and there's
Ant Pruitt (00:32:29):
Their bots out there looking for the stuff that are devalued like that, the whole
Leo Laporte (00:32:32):
Thing them up. It's just so stupid. I just, I'm sorry. I'm trying to be open to this. I have a love hate with
Ant Pruitt (00:32:39):
It, sir. I think it's great for artists that, that, you know, can get some additional revenue and, and have a people that have an appreciation for the actual art that, that they're creating. My problem is the, the mentoring process and all of the fees associated with it just was ridiculous. Not cool at all.
Leo Laporte (00:33:00):
And, and by the way, just write the verge has the picture of the board ape and you could just right. Click it and save it. And then you have a copy of it for free. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (00:33:08):
You got a copy of it then. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>
Leo Laporte (00:33:10):
What does it cost you to make one a it's like 12 bucks, right?
Ant Pruitt (00:33:13):
It depends on the, on the fees at that hour. Yeah. Sometimes it's a lot higher. Sometimes it's a, a lot lower. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:33:21):
Anyway, I don't really feel sorry for the guy at all. And he has a, he had the good sense of not saying, oh, whoa is me, you know?
Ant Pruitt (00:33:30):
Right, right. He owned up to it and he's like, huh. Anyway,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:33:36):
I'm mistakenly made $3,000 instead of hundred thousand. Exactly.
Leo Laporte (00:33:42):
Stacey Higginbotham (00:33:42):
Something that's utterly
Leo Laporte (00:33:43):
Worthless. Yeah. Yeah. It's not even very good looking
Ant Pruitt (00:33:47):
Well. And that's another thing that sort of, I, I don't quite get, but again, it's art, so I shouldn't be so judgey about it. But some of these crypto pieces of art that goes for gazillions of dollars, I'm like, I, I just don't see it. And then the fact that a lot of the artists are using some sort of automated system to create a, you know, macros or whatever, to just spit out versions of these apes is not a lot of work involved in it. And it, it just sort of cheapens it in my opinion, versus someone sitting down, going through the process of creating in this piece of art and, you know I put my heart into this, not a couple hot keys to create it, you know, I always, so
Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:27):
How would you feel about like Jeff Koons? Who does he factory produces like his balloon dogs. So he, you know, there, there are a series of artists out there today who come up with an idea and then just get it rep replicated. And I, yeah. Is it art,
Ant Pruitt (00:34:43):
Leo Laporte (00:34:44):
War had a whole room of people making his silk screens, the factory even called he knew what he was doing. He called him the factory.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:52):
I was like, but that for him, he was aware of it. And that was part of the art. Like it was a statement that I, I think it's, I think it's fascinating. I, I will say that. I think all of it is so like, could we not have gotten excited about something that doesn't look like something like a kid doodled, like a, a boy doodled on their textbook at school.
Ant Pruitt (00:35:11):
Right. You know, I look at my, my guest last week on hands on photography, Mr. Peter Adams. And he took photos of some giants in tech industry, you know, going back to Mr. Venter and they're NFTs now, and people are devaluing that versus what's currently selling with these stupid apes and things like that. And I'm like his, what he did right there is, is way more valuable in my opinion, versus these little graphics that are selling all over the place for Gazi the dollars. Yeah. Even as Mr. Tural and mad dog and lots of people in there, doc Earls is in there, legit people in this industry that have left the mark and technology for a lot of the stuff that we're using today. And yet they're not getting in, he's not gonna get much credit for that work and for that art, but you know, he put it out there anyway.
Leo Laporte (00:36:10):
Did you an I think, almost think this should be in the Google change log, like a new feature of Google. I woke up this morning and I get, had a storm warning for a storm coming to the Philippines. Did you get, I
Ant Pruitt (00:36:21):
Got one of those PGA something. A
Stacey Higginbotham (00:36:24):
PGA. Yes. It's like the basic, you're not
Leo Laporte (00:36:27):
On the west coast. Maybe. No, no. Everybody in the world in the world got this public storm warning signal. Number one from PA, G a S a it's the Philippines weather warning. It's about a big cyclone coming to the Philippines. There's a whole Reddit thread on it right here. <Laugh>
Ant Pruitt (00:36:47):
And that's noteworthy, but not really for me. And I chalk that up to this is some other issue with Android 12. So I just ignored it.
Leo Laporte (00:36:57):
You expect nothing less, right? I mean, I've never, I've never heard of this happening before. That is a substantial bug where
Ant Pruitt (00:37:06):
<Laugh>, I didn't know. Everybody got
Leo Laporte (00:37:07):
Everybody got it. Look at this thread. And I got it in central Florida. I got it in Switzerland. I, I got it in Michigan, Montreal, everybody. Here's the picture of it in case you I guess it won't wouldn't look like this, unless your wallpaper would looked like that, but that was it. Yeah. That's that was it. And, you know, I saw that and I thought I actually asked Lisa, are we getting a big storm? She said, yeah. In the Philippines <laugh>
Ant Pruitt (00:37:37):
Leo Laporte (00:37:38):
Okay. I was excited. I got to learn about
Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:40):
A whole new storm. Like I Googled it and I was like, oh. And then I'm like sitting there for like five minutes learning about different
Leo Laporte (00:37:46):
Stories. That's so Stacy that's.
Ant Pruitt (00:37:49):
So I saw it and thought, okay, we've had the atmospheric river over here on the,
Leo Laporte (00:37:53):
Yeah. I thought it was for us, but it's I was
Ant Pruitt (00:37:55):
Like, okay, right. Yeah. Here's another came for
Leo Laporte (00:37:57):
The Philippine atmosph physical and astronomical services administration didn't
Ant Pruitt (00:38:03):
Look closely. They came from the Philippines
Leo Laporte (00:38:05):
At Android, but I have to think it wasn't really from the Philippines, but it was from Mr. Google himself. Right. Who else could set that off on every Google pixel phone? Who else? Right. And that,
Ant Pruitt (00:38:17):
I don't know. He's doing U a T.
Leo Laporte (00:38:19):
We was testing, talking about, on windows weekly about this bug Microsoft teams blocking nine one, one calls on Android phones.
Ant Pruitt (00:38:31):
Oh yeah. I heard about that.
Leo Laporte (00:38:34):
That should, that, I don't know if that's an Android 11 bug or a teams bug, but that's not good. Oh, I've been hearing mostly people fussing that it's been a Microsoft teams
Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:48):
Bug more so than, well, it only happens if you've got the teams app installed and you're not logged in <laugh>. So the fix from Microsoft is, well, just log in. I can't log into
Leo Laporte (00:39:02):
Teams. I hate these. I hated so much. No, I refuse.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:39:07):
I I'm literally about to switch my computer out. Be not because I'm switching my computer out, but I think that's gonna be the only way that I can actually log into teams freaking here. Wow.
Leo Laporte (00:39:18):
So that bad. It isn't completely teams fault. It is actually a bug in Android, 11 Microsoft. Oh, wait,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:39:24):
Wait at 11
Leo Laporte (00:39:25):
Another one. Yeah. It's not 12. Oh, I think it's oh, wait a minute. Let me check. Cause we're all on 12. I don't think it's specific. I don't know if it's to Microsoft rolled out a new version of teams, but that just fixes it with teams and it is a bug that could still block calling 9 1 1 until Google fixes the Android problem. So it's, it's kind of unclear what version of Android it is. Cause it's not all Android phones. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> Google said we believe the issue's only present on a small number of devices with the teams app installed when the user's not logged in have teams on their phones. Yeah. Well you might need like unfortunately we have meetings with sponsors and all kinds of people all the time and sometimes they want to use something else. Yeah. Zoom. Yeah. Well zoom is the default, but it's not the only case zoom isn't
Stacey Higginbotham (00:40:25):
Zoom about the best we've ever had
Leo Laporte (00:40:27):
Here for video. It is, but we'll say something. Well, last week we had a problem on windows weekly and we had a problem yesterday on Mac weekly. And problem with zoom is you're going through zoom servers. And if they're having problems, maybe it was related log for J I don't know, but we were having some very inconsistent results that weren't our fault or the host's fault. But it was, I believe in, in built into, into zoom, you know, the zoom server, you break everything. Geez. Yeah. We're gonna break things,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:40:57):
But you're right. Go into terminal <laugh>.
Leo Laporte (00:41:10):
So I don't know if we, this really is appropriate for twig. We certainly talked about it on Mac break weekly, but you remember the big few when I apple announced that they were gonna put a scanner for child sexual abuse material on each and every iPhone. So yesterday they did roll out one of the other features. They announced at the same time, which was an ability for messages. If parents turn it on to scan for incoming naked pictures and to warn the kids, you don't wanna see this. And it actually gives 'em three warnings before they can actually see it. And in its initial form, it alerted the parents. Now it does not apple turned that off and some bright eye at Mac rumors noticed they've removed all message mentions of that C that child's sexual abuse material sees Sam scanning from its child's safety webpage. It's all gone. And there's some thinking that maybe, maybe apple doesn't doesn't gonna keep going with this
Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:15):
Seems like they're backing off
Leo Laporte (00:42:17):
An apple spokesperson told the verge that although the CCM detection feature is no longer mentioned on the website, plans have not changed since September, which means it's still coming, but they wanna make improvements based on feedback from customers, advocacy, advocacy groups, researchers Sy Lords in retirement and others <laugh>. So I'd listen to the Sy Lords and just not
Ant Pruitt (00:42:42):
Just and nickel millionaires too as well. You should last one <laugh>
Leo Laporte (00:42:50):
We did. We mention, I think we did last week that the, the, the better zoom call where the CEO got on and said, yeah, all of you on this call, you're fired. <Laugh> mm-hmm <affirmative> fired. I think what was it? 600 people at the same time, 900,
Ant Pruitt (00:43:05):
900. Nice. It's the only way he could have
Leo Laporte (00:43:07):
Done that 900. If you're on this call, you're part of the unlocking group that's being laid off.
Ant Pruitt (00:43:14):
<Affirmative> if anything, he could have been a little more human about it. Cuz one of the reports I read Ted said that he was sort of like, like a days ago about it and just sort of, well, in the UN lunging though, you're father, he wasn't that lack
Leo Laporte (00:43:30):
Of cause in the town hall afterwards, he said, you will not be allowed to fail twice. You'll be encouraged to fail once, but not allowed to fail twice. Not meeting deadlines will not be acceptable. You're gonna make an excuse for Stacy.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:43:45):
Well, I was just gonna say, it's hard to fire people and you may emotionally distance yourself from it. So other people may perceive you as being something that you're not feeling.
Leo Laporte (00:43:57):
Yeah. Well he's gone.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:43:59):
I try to give people
Leo Laporte (00:44:00):
The benefit of the doubt he fired himself. Vaal Garg is taking time off effective immediately. An email sent on Friday morning and they just leave
Ant Pruitt (00:44:12):
Though. Right? That's not necessarily
Leo Laporte (00:44:16):
I don't know if he's coming back better.com is a digital mortgage company. They have hired an outside firm to quote, do a leadership and cultural assessment. <Laugh>
Ant Pruitt (00:44:25):
Yeah, you're screwed. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:44:27):
Uhhuh. He also apparently called the one of the top investors sewage. So that might add so to, okay.
Ant Pruitt (00:44:36):
Leo Laporte (00:44:36):
On, have something to do with it.
Ant Pruitt (00:44:39):
Ant Pruitt (00:44:43):
I'm sure he has a nice golden parachute awaiting. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:44:47):
Yeah. I'm sure he'll be fine.
Leo Laporte (00:44:50):
Mother board reported this week. GARS temperament has been an issue repeatedly in the past. He called the tops investor sewage and told employees that rather than take indigenous people's day off, their time was better served earning the company capital and therefore our freedom <laugh> oh
Ant Pruitt (00:45:08):
Boy. Oh my okay. Was there,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:11):
Did anybody report video of him doing this? Have we seen
Leo Laporte (00:45:13):
Him actually doing this? Oh, that I bet there is video somewhere. I bet there is. Yeah. how about this? It can be challenging to work at MGM resorts in in Las Vegas and elsewhere casino and hotel companies. So before they hire you, they're giving you a VR headset and giving you a chance to experience what it's like working at at MGM resorts, including nasty customers, Uhhuh people, yelling at you and so forth.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:47):
Why would you do that? You're gonna lose all
Leo Laporte (00:45:50):
The people. Well, the problem is they have a lot of, a lot of attrition. There's a, there's a lot of churn. Yeah. And so at the Bellagio, the MGM grand. So they figure, look, if you can't handle the heat, stay outta the kitchen.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:05):
It would be nice if they would actually train people like using VR to train people, to deescalate situate and or to help their colleagues would be a possibly a better way to handle this.
Ant Pruitt (00:46:18):
Yeah. I wonder how much well who's to say, they're not implementing that already. They might, they have that there as a warning and say, look, this is what you're getting into. Who's to say, they're not already, they don't already have this in place as part of their onboarding procedure that you're on. You
Leo Laporte (00:46:32):
Know Laura Lee, MGM resorts, chief HR officer said sometimes candidates accept jobs without realizing how difficult they may be. Yeah. So we're gonna let them experience the job beforehand. I like
Ant Pruitt (00:46:51):
Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:53):
It feel like they should do that for a newsroom. <Laugh> mm-hmm <affirmative>
Leo Laporte (00:46:57):
No nobody'd ever get the, take the job. Oh. And by the way, we're aren't gonna underpay you at the same time as well. Yeah. You get yelled at actually, yes.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:09):
Yeah. Oh, I was gonna say actually my journalism professors did a good job. They, they, they made sure
Leo Laporte (00:47:15):
They weren't you a
Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:15):
Newsroom. They came, no, they actually, like, I had classes where they would actually, like I had a financial journalism class and it ended, it started at like four o'clock. So when we arrived, he was like, okay, 30 minutes by 30 minutes, I need your
Leo Laporte (00:47:29):
Market story. That's good. You know? Yeah. That's a good and it was, it was great training. Yeah. This is what it's gonna be like might as well get used to it. Now he did not scream at me, like some of my other editors while trying to write the story. Right, right. So that was new. Hey, how about that pandemic? How about it? How about it? So we're back in California, we're back with mask mandates. So it's very confusing here in California because the state said you gotta wear a mask. And then our county just said, no, you don't have to wear a mask. So I don't know. Well, here in
Jeff Jarvis (00:48:06):
New York, the federal government employees are required to get vaccinated. City employees are required to get vaccinated. Private employees are required to get vaccinated, but me at CUNY because we're a state institution. Nope. Faculty and staff are not required to get vaccinated. Oh really? Oh, it's awful. It's just awful. Meanwhile, NYU is now requiring all faculty, staff and students to be boosted January.
Leo Laporte (00:48:30):
Yeah. I gotta boost it. Get my booster about, I got my booster.
Jeff Jarvis (00:48:34):
Yeah. But here's something pretty amazing. Can't get mine. I just came across this. How dare I looked at Twitter during the show, but I, but I that's how I found this. The Commonwealth not shopping. The common Commonwealth fund did a study. And, and in the air estimation, the vaccination program has saved 1.1 million lives that there would've been one point, 1 million more deaths without it. And 10.3 million additional COVID 19 hospitalizations by November, 2021. Wow. Yeah. How's that for sober? How lucky we are fortunate. We are as bad as it is. We have tools in front of us.
Leo Laporte (00:49:16):
I think I also saw an estimate that about, of the almost 800,000 deaths in the us 160,000 could have been avoided by getting vaccinated in the first place. At least Google. This all ties into an actual story about Google. Google is threatening to fire UN vaccinated employees. They're giving you seven months. Oh geez God. How one of which will be paid no outs. Yeah. They don't wanna not sure
Ant Pruitt (00:49:45):
About all of the labor laws in different states and whatnot, but is this, is this something
Jeff Jarvis (00:49:50):
They can legal do? Yeah. You serve, you serve with their pleasure. Yeah. You have white hair. Well, you can't, can't do it with white hair, but you, you know, you you pick your teeth after the free lunch they can get rid of you.
Leo Laporte (00:50:03):
Hmm. Google gave its employees until December 3rd to upload proof of vaccination or receive approval for a medical or religious exemption, the company. So as anyone who doesn't do either of those things by January 13th will be placed on a 30 day paid administrative leave. After the 30 days, they could face unpaid leave for up to six months and then be terminated. So they're gonna get you out of there. Okay. So they're not around then they're getting you outta there. If you haven't done it yet. Yeah. Good. Good. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:32):
I, I mean it sense I'm okay. You don't have like, well, I'm just thinking from a purely cold business perspective, right? I would, if you're employees get sick, then you've got worse.
Leo Laporte (00:50:46):
If they get everybody sick. Right. They get other
Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:49):
People sick. The
Leo Laporte (00:50:50):
Whole department goes out. I I would feel weird requiring our staff to be vaccinated. We haven't gone that far, but we don't let you in the building if you're not. So if you can do your job from home and you're not vaccinated, I guess what, if
Jeff Jarvis (00:51:05):
You can't do the job from home and you choose not to be vaccinated, then you they're pretty much worthless
Leo Laporte (00:51:09):
To you. Yeah. I don't know we that hasn't come up. Thank God. Thank God. That's an interesting,
Ant Pruitt (00:51:15):
I, I wonder about stuff like that because you look at that's Google and with their self-imposed mandates, this is TWI with self-imposed mandates in compared that to say a hospital that may require it. It seems like the, it makes more sense to me because the hospital is doing public service and trying to take care of people. It, it just makes sense yet people will bother.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:39):
What about public teachers? Cause they're like, if you're a teacher, you've got a vulnerable population that can't get the vaccine. So does that fit with your,
Ant Pruitt (00:51:47):
Your that's why I was maybe the hospital sounds like it's more lawful than anything versus what Google or any other entity is doing. That's why
Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:57):
We don't have, I mean, there's no OSHA requirement for example. But if you think about like, I can see someone filing like an ADA, like if I'm immunocompromised, for example, a vaccine just doesn't work well, well they're
Leo Laporte (00:52:10):
Not making you, I'm no longer. Yeah. They're not making you do it in that case.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:14):
No, no, no. What I'm saying is I would argue that, oh, I see if IM immunocompromised, my lawyer doesn't protect me. Right, right. Yeah. That is, I might Sue for that.
Jeff Jarvis (00:52:24):
I have 2, 9 11 cancers, a nine 11 heart condition and a respiratory Condit. And I'm obviously an old SI and you're vulner 95 year old father I visit. And so the fact that, that, that some of my colleagues are not vaccinated puts me in risk and my family at risk mm-hmm <affirmative> and I'm required to go into class now. So I'm, I'm I, I tweet constantly and my university doesn't do a bit of good. Nobody listens, nobody cares, but I'm just enraged that they're not taking care of everybody in our community.
Leo Laporte (00:52:57):
I understand why it's difficult, you know? But it's a difficult time. No course it's a tough time period. Yeah. Speaking of tough times, of course, tragedy those tornadoes in the south east, the Amazon warehouse collapse, OSHA has now decided to open a probe into the Edwardsville Illinois collapse, which killed six employees. We've heard stories that the employees were told they could not leave work even with the tornado coming. Of course they weren't allowed to have their cell phones, which might have given them an early warning. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> site leaders at the warehouse, DL 14, or I'm sorry. DLI four told employees on duty at the facility to take shelter around eight, 16:00 PM. Local time. The tornado likely formed in the parking lot, then rolled through the site at approximately 8:35 PM walls on both sides of the warehouse, collapsed in the roof, went down, killing six. OSHA's now investigating they investigated all workplace fatalities. So that's that's normal.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:05):
And they should, I mean, I will say not having like forcing employees to come to work in a non-essential job. That's, that's a really like, I, I don't know the rules around that, but I, I think about the safety precautions in place. I mean like Leo, we have, you know, you have to put on show, right? So what's your take on if there's a tornado warning headed for your studio? Oh,
Leo Laporte (00:54:30):
We get the hell out when they're <laugh> when the we don't, I don't even have to ask because it's not even hypothetical. When the wildfires came through two years ago and we were in an evacuation area, we immediately told everybody, go home. Now
Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:46):
With tornado warnings, you don't get a war. Do you get an evacuate? I I've never seen
Jeff Jarvis (00:54:51):
That's the thing. That's see exactly that you don't get much warning, necessarily call and they they're bad. And, and, and the forecasting is bad. I'm not defending Amazon on handle factory for a second. But if every time you had a warning, you shut down the aren't necessarily reliable enough to warrant that. So was it bad enough? And the problem is that when you knew it was a bad storm, the warning you had was a matter of like 10 minutes. Yeah. It's usually too late going through. Yeah. That's the other problem. And they don't have a, you're actually worse shape on the road that you might be in the building. You don't know. True.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:27):
Jeff Jarvis (00:55:29):
So it's, I'm not defending that. I mean, if, if a candle, a company employees were told that if they left, they'd be fired. That ain't, that ain't looking so good. Yeah. That's employees can't have phones. That's
Leo Laporte (00:55:42):
Not had, they had phones. There was a 30 minute warning from the national weather service. <Affirmative> the question is, you know, would they, would they even have taken that seriously? I mean, you know, you get, we get warnings, we get warnings from the Philippines. Oh, I get that.
Jeff Jarvis (00:55:56):
I get the, for the phone all the time. Hell the Philippines, you know, you could have ducked under your desk cuz of that. Right.
Leo Laporte (00:56:04):
But Amazon for years has prohibited workers from carrying phones on the warehouse floor. We, I have, I have heard stories reported. I, I haven't, I don't know if it's confirmed that some managers said, told employees stay on the floor even with a tornado on its way. So I'm not sure. But I guess this is what the OSHA investigation will.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:56:24):
Yeah. In six months we'll have a clue.
Leo Laporte (00:56:26):
Yeah. I, I, I don't know if that, to see what
Ant Pruitt (00:56:28):
The SOPs are yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:56:30):
Ant Pruitt (00:56:31):
Them when, when they have these emergency situations. Yeah. You know, there's something for fire, you know, I wonder what they, what they have in place,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:56:40):
Given climate change. It is, I mean, we're, we're reassessing our infrastructure, right? Because of climate change, it's possible that we should be reassessing our safety protocols because of climate change and possibly how we manage things like how we construct our office buildings. So you might see, I doubt, we'll see this anytime in the short term, cuz government takes forever. But like maybe you need to build what tomato shelter looks like a basement <laugh> yeah. <Laugh> no, that makes sense. But you should start. If you're a proactive business, you probably should have something that's a little bit better than like a phone tree in terms of like understanding how you're gonna react to the danger, risk weather conditions in your area. And I mean, it's scary, but nobody wants, I, I don't think, I mean, no one at Amazon is excited that people died. I, I mean, you don't ever want that.
Leo Laporte (00:57:41):
Let's take a little break. We'll come back with it's this week in Google, Stacy, Jeff, aunt Pruitt, our show today brought to you by, at and T active armor when it comes to security. Well, you already have to lock your doors, save your passwords. Remember combinations. How about one less? The thing to worry about thankfully at and T makes your security a top priority download at and T's active armor free mobile security app to help protect your personal data. So you have one less thing to worry about. It's not complicated at and T active armor 24 7 network protection and free security apps to stop threats before they get to you at no extra charge compatible devices, service required. Data charges may apply. Visit att.com/active armor for details. Twitter is adding auto. I think this is great auto captions to make video more accessible. Yeah. Good for them. Did Facebook start this? I feel like Facebook, everybody has captions now on Facebook. Cause they expect you won't have the audio on when you're looking at your feed. Right? I think that's, I
Stacey Higginbotham (00:58:59):
Don't think it's an accessibility thing. I think it's, I think it's
Leo Laporte (00:59:01):
That. Yeah. Yeah. And the captions have gotten so much better too. Right? VO voice transcription, tweets and spaces both have captioning and they'll be captioning on video as well. Autogenerated making it more accessible for death and heart of hearing users. But I have to say these days, everybody is having a hard time hearing and we're all using captions. I don't know. Have you, do you guys use captions when you're watch TV shows?
Ant Pruitt (00:59:33):
I only do it on seems like Netflix. Most of the time is beautiful is a lot of the Netflix original movies are the audio mix is always a mess to me. The, the sound effects are just tremendous and rich. And then the dialogue is just a like this into it.
Leo Laporte (00:59:51):
Actors mumble dialogue. They don't record it. Well, they mix it poorly. I turn up my set on channel, but a lot of I'm
Jeff Jarvis (00:59:57):
Doing it on succession cuz I want to catch the lines. Well,
Leo Laporte (01:00:00):
Success is and I other story, because they sometimes have Soto Che stuff that you wouldn't hear. But then I think maybe you told me to do that. I think. Yeah. You shows up in the caption. Yeah. So did you watch the last episode of the season?
Jeff Jarvis (01:00:10):
No, I haven't yet. Nope.
Leo Laporte (01:00:13):
Nope. Halfway through that. There are some that I missed visual clues the first time around that I missed, but I saw later on red, I that actually kind of help understand what's going on. It's a wonderful season ender.
Ant Pruitt (01:00:29):
I gotta start that season. I I've yet to start that
Leo Laporte (01:00:32):
Jeff and I are the only people who like it, but that's cuz we we're really awful. No, I love,
Ant Pruitt (01:00:35):
I love the offer. These two seasons. I haven't watch people like
Leo Laporte (01:00:38):
Us. Leo. Yeah. It's people like us. It's our people. It's our,
Jeff Jarvis (01:00:42):
And you're far too nice to watch
Ant Pruitt (01:00:44):
Success. No, no. Hold on. Now when I, I thought I told you when I started watching it, I was angry. Yeah. I was angry when I first started watching it. I'm like, this is. And
Jeff Jarvis (01:00:54):
I, I was too, I was same way, but
Ant Pruitt (01:00:57):
Can't watch this. It was right in the beginning of the pandemic and people were struggling. I was
Jeff Jarvis (01:01:01):
Angry. Agree. You utterly right aunt. But then I was so bored. I ended up watching it and every, and everybody said, you have to watch it. So I'm, you know, a sheep and I watched it and I'm glad I did. Oh,
Leo Laporte (01:01:11):
I think it's the best. Show's the best written show on TV. Yeah. It's pure Shakespeare.
Jeff Jarvis (01:01:17):
I also see bits, not only of Murdoch having worked for all these moguls. I see bits of KA asked. I see bits of time, Inc. I see bits of rubber Maxwell.
Leo Laporte (01:01:28):
Well, you know, in a larger sense, this show is about old me, an old, old media empire, trying to figure out how it survives in the new world. Yeah. Right. So I mean it does apply to what we talk about all the time.
Ant Pruitt (01:01:42):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> that's what I found fascinating.
Leo Laporte (01:01:44):
Yeah. And they, by the way, <laugh> they still haven't solved it. <Laugh> oh, wow. <Laugh>
Ant Pruitt (01:01:54):
This maybe over the holiday, Barry. I'll pick it up. I'm gonna watch it
Leo Laporte (01:01:58):
All over again. I think,
Jeff Jarvis (01:01:59):
I think you'll, I think you'll you'll well you're either come back and curse us or thank us, but I think you'll thank us for saying that you should. Well, all right. But it was interesting this week, there was news that I actually see as somewhat related is that box is buying nine media.
Leo Laporte (01:02:15):
Yeah. So let's talk about that because Lisa said they're merging. And I said, I, I V can't. I mean, I think nine media is smaller than V and I think you're right. I think they're what is, they're buying nine media, which is
Jeff Jarvis (01:02:27):
Essentially, but it's a stock de it's well, it's a stock transaction.
Leo Laporte (01:02:30):
It, me, the, the phrase is merge in the Washington post and it is by in the wall street journal. So I'm, I'm not just charge group nine
Jeff Jarvis (01:02:41):
Group nine media or group nine, group nine, sorry, group nine. Okay. Group nine. And, and so, so what struck me about this? You also have obviously Buzzfeed acquiring Huffington post and whatever it was they acquired. And, and when they went through this back, Jonah, Peretti's been arguing for quite some time that they've gotta consolidate to compete with the big guys. It struck me as I was thinking about it, that it's, this is the last super Nova gasp of scale in media. These guys have to, you think they're
Leo Laporte (01:03:14):
Swimming upstream. You think this is against the trend. You think we're go, we're going niche and not, I
Jeff Jarvis (01:03:20):
Aggregate. Yeah, I do. I do. I think it's, I think it's a different version of scale. And so, and so they're, but they're stuck in an ad market where either through getting RFPs from big agencies that still exists or getting programmatic to compete with Google and Facebook they want scale. So they're all saying scale, scale scale. I, I think, you know, in the sense that's advertising on, on the subscription end SubT stack and, and Spotify also go for scale on that end. But I don't know that that's where the future of media fully is. I think, I think I'm not gonna say it's all small, but I think it may be an conglomeration of smalls. We
Leo Laporte (01:04:01):
May be back to big industries, becomes the big media giants, listen to what Vox zones and then what they'll get with group nine, they own SB nation, which is which was their, which was their basis, original sports.
Jeff Jarvis (01:04:15):
They blog company in their culture. Yes. Right.
Leo Laporte (01:04:18):
New York magazine, they own the ver of course we know that very well Vox eater, the cut vulture, polygon, the strategist, and then group nine has the Dodo, which is, you know, which we love cute animal stuff. Yeah. Now this pop sugar, which is female focused thrill and seeker. So this is, this is not so very different than when Jason call canis sold his, you know, little blogs off. I mean
Jeff Jarvis (01:04:53):
That's well, but at the same time, you have the opposite happening when, when time ink sold to Meredith minus time magazine and fortune and sports illustrate. And then the combination just sold to Barry Diller, right. Where they're gonna become, similarly, they're gonna compete as content factors or
Leo Laporte (01:05:09):
Verizon selling off. It's a bit by pit the pieces it bought of all the, the, you know, the time Warner media stuff. It's funny, the both aggregation and disaggregation is going on. I think it's just people jockeying to try to figure out what makes sense in this kind of confusing, which goes back
Jeff Jarvis (01:05:26):
Obsession, where there's
Ant Pruitt (01:05:28):
Fascinating. You can't beat 'em join them. Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (01:05:30):
Yeah. But it's also debating, you know, it's constantly is, is, is it content or distribution as king? And my smart line is neither is conversational. Is
Leo Laporte (01:05:40):
This yeah. Hmm. That's why we're getting the big bucks. Jeff.
Ant Pruitt (01:05:45):
Yeah. <Laugh>. Yeah. But, but someday content leads to conversation Mr. Jarvis.
Jeff Jarvis (01:05:51):
Yes. But conversation is still king conversation is still the goal contents is to tool then
Leo Laporte (01:05:57):
<Affirmative>, you know, who's dissolving, this kind of is a surprise to me. Yeah. The internet association, which was really the lobbying arm of the of the internet represented Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft is gonna close by the end of the year. I'm, I'm
Jeff Jarvis (01:06:14):
Actually disturbed about this because somebody's got an defend the internet against stupidity in Washington, and now they're all splitting up and they're all gonna be targets and they're gonna be worse off I'm I'm I'm Bo I dunno if I should be, but I'm bothered by this. Yeah. They were Microsoft pulled out first, right?
Leo Laporte (01:06:32):
Yeah. They described themselves as quote, the unified voice of the internet economy, but was it a traditional lobbying organization? They were in Washington DC. And they'd go and they'd yeah. Oh yeah. Go to members of Congress. Say it would be wonderful if you would get rid of this net neutrality thing.
Ant Pruitt (01:06:53):
I'm sorry. I never heard of the internet
Leo Laporte (01:06:54):
Association. Well, unless you were a member of Congress, you probably wouldn't have, but believe me, the briefcase is full of money. Had it come from somebody mm-hmm <affirmative> mm Google's gonna give the staff a big bonus this year. Don't get your hopes up, Pam. Oh, shoot. Come on. <Laugh> all employees, including the company's extended workforce and interns will get a one time cash bonus of $1,600. Everybody what's up, everybody gets it. That's what's up and you get 1600 and you, and you and you this is in addition to Google's work from home allowance and wellbeing bonus, which is all COVID related earlier in March. Google's internal survey showed a drop in its employee wellbeing over the last year. So they started started giving the money. Sure. That that fixes everything,
Jeff Jarvis (01:07:50):
Which by the way, is old, old bosses, mine would say, oh, I see that everybody's having a rough year. Let's let's have an offsite. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:07:58):
Oh no, no. That doesn't fix any, anything. I
Jeff Jarvis (01:08:00):
Don't wanna spend more time with these people. Yeah, no, that's why I'm having a rough
Ant Pruitt (01:08:08):
Do or the days. Oh,
Leo Laporte (01:08:09):
<Laugh> I haven't, I haven't done an offsite in a long time.
Ant Pruitt (01:08:14):
Thank you. Good. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:08:16):
<Laugh> but they, they try to make that. Okay. So in fact, I don't think I've ever done an offsite. I'm trying to think. They try to make it fun by going somewhere good. Right? If you're a rich company, you go to Hawaii. If you're just kind of a regular company, you go to Monterey and then why you're Trapp for these
Jeff Jarvis (01:08:32):
People. You try to get away from every day at five o'clock.
Leo Laporte (01:08:34):
And then I think like lots of brainstorming sessions and stuff, and you get drunk
Jeff Jarvis (01:08:37):
And people do embarrassing things and, and women get comes right after hit on. Sounds awful. They're awful. Oh, they're awful.
Leo Laporte (01:08:48):
Speaking of awful.
Jeff Jarvis (01:08:49):
My brief time by very brief time as an executive a time, Inc. I remember taking the company jet down to The Bahamas. Wow. I just, I didn't, I, you know, I sat there saying what I fought and that was not, that was not welcome. And that's
Leo Laporte (01:09:02):
The last time they let you on the jet. Terrible.
Jeff Jarvis (01:09:05):
That was true. Yes. He's out at a club. <Laugh> well, I was soon thereafter for
Leo Laporte (01:09:10):
10 years. TA may Bowman has been on Instagram as at metaverse I think, oh dude, this, I think you can see where this is going, where this is going. You can see where this is headed. The minute Facebook decided to call itself meta her account was disabled. The app said, quote, your account has been blocked for pretending to be someone else. I've been pretending to be me for 10 years. She said it came days after Facebook announced its new name. She told the New York times the account is a decade of my life and work. Imagine if your Facebook account were just, I mean, Instagram account were just shut down all those images. I didn't want my contribution to the metaverse to be white from the internet. This happens to women in tech to women of color in tech all of time. I don't think it has to do with that. I think it has to do with at metaverse, but you know, she started metaverse makeovers in 2012 to showcase her art and technology. She's an Australian woman. She created an app that would display virtual holograms of her company's fingernail designs. Anyway, it doesn't matter what she was doing with it, but, but for crying out loud, Facebook, I mean, please, you can't just stomp on everybody who it's prior to you.
Jeff Jarvis (01:10:28):
Right. And the thing what's going happen with this is,
Leo Laporte (01:10:31):
Well, she can, well, she went to the New York times, right. <Laugh> and then suddenly it started working yet. That's what's gonna happen. Facebook said the account was incorrectly removed for impersonation and we've now restored. We were sorry. It happened. Nevermind. Nevermind. I thought that they would probably send a check and say, we might, you know, that would've been the smarter thing we,
Jeff Jarvis (01:10:54):
Well, the other thing was, I think there's another story I put in there about how they got met at. And I mean, when I was in the business, if you wanted to buy somebody's domain, you never did it yourself. You had a third party go in and say, I have a client would like it. Yeah. Oh, they're just a little, they're just a little Philip. It's it's a family thing, you know? And so you try to buy it first.
Leo Laporte (01:11:17):
So there was a little us regional bank called meta financial court. Oh, that's right. It's there? Yes. Meta financial group. And I guess meta <laugh> went in guns a blazon because they ended up giving them $60 million dollars for the name 60 million. And metaverse what did she get? She got her Instagram account back. Instagram hits 2 billion, monthly users, 2 billion, monthly users. You're not surprised. And are you love Instagram?
Ant Pruitt (01:11:56):
I like it. I, I have a decent community there on Instagram. I just hate the fact that it, every time I open it up, it says a meta product. <Laugh> that's that's stuff. <Laugh>
Leo Laporte (01:12:09):
Yeah. We don't know how many of those 2 billion users are fences.
Ant Pruitt (01:12:13):
Yeah. It's that too. I thought I thought
Jeff Jarvis (01:12:15):
Congress was gonna outlaw fences by now. Haven't they done
Leo Laporte (01:12:18):
Ant Pruitt (01:12:19):
No. Are they still trying to figure out what it means, sir? Give time.
Leo Laporte (01:12:26):
I love it. Let's see. I want, let me see here where, where we are in the, in the flow of things. Let's do a few more and then I'll I guess we could do the change log too. I do have the change log. All right. So let's, we're gonna get a couple more than the than the change log. I mentioned this on on Sunday. I think it deserves the shaming democratic Illinois, democratic state representative Marcus Evans, noting a surge in carjackings around the Chicago area has decided it's because of grand theft auto. And which came out by the way in 1997. And he is planning to introduce a bill in the state of Illinois and sales of the game.
Jeff Jarvis (01:13:17):
State legislators can be some of the dumbest things on
Leo Laporte (01:13:20):
Earth. Carjacking is not normal. And carjacking must stop says, says Marcus Evans. <Laugh> he paired up on the cause he paired up with early Walker community activist to start operations, safe pump, which could mean so many things. But in this case, security teams, patrol gas stations to protect people while they're pumping gas. Now tell me the truth when I said operations safe pump. Is that the first thing you thought of
Ant Pruitt (01:13:50):
That would mean? No, no.
Leo Laporte (01:13:54):
This guy is not, that's not the sharpest tool, the, she I'm just saying and apparently early Walker, the activist agreed with Evans about the game representative Evans. And I says early Walker have researched they've researched note and concluded that these very young offenders of carjacking are greatly influenced by the grand theft auto video game. And this sounds
Ant Pruitt (01:14:19):
Just like the late 1980s, early 1990s with the warning labels on the hip hop
Leo Laporte (01:14:27):
Albums. Yep. Oh God, this has been going on for years. Oh, I truly believe there is bipartisan support to ban this game from being sold in Illinois. Well, you introduce that, that bill. We'll see. <Laugh> we'll see, we'll see exactly how much bipartisan support
Jeff Jarvis (01:14:43):
There is. And it goes back obviously to comic books and I just read a wonderful, wonderful book. Oh, I, to hold a book, this is, this is the British version, but us is out called the library of fragile history by Andrew Bry and Archer Devan. I'd love to read that. It's it's really, really quite good. It's also audible. And, and fiction was seen as a really dangerous influence on especially women. Yes.
Leo Laporte (01:15:08):
And gives them sorts of
Jeff Jarvis (01:15:10):
Ideas. Libraries shouldn't be stalking fiction because it can do terrible things to the morals of, of women and young people.
Leo Laporte (01:15:18):
Wow. Andrew pedigree and Arthur ViDu.
Jeff Jarvis (01:15:23):
He pedigree is the Dean of book historians. He's, he's quite, I've read tons of his books. He's he's brilliant. University of St. Andrews.
Leo Laporte (01:15:31):
All right. I am going to I have two credits I have to use in six days. I have just purchased that book better. Be good.
Jeff Jarvis (01:15:42):
I don't know if I plugged this or not. If we talked about, yeah, we talked about this, Matthew, it streams what's
Leo Laporte (01:15:45):
Jeff Jarvis (01:15:46):
So Matthew Kiba wrote the book, you and I love, which is track change a literary history of word processing. Yes. Which is wonderful. Yes. So this is about the future of digital literacy heritage, right? How do we save that? Which is passing by us now I'm writing a post right now about how it really is oddly a continuum, cuz this is how we were saving things in libraries and how all things passed by and some got lost and some got burned and so and so forth, but it's a process and I'm finally learning that it's just a natural process. This is about how we do that in the future. And so there's a kind of a continuum from one to the next. So fascinating. He goes into the archives in Princeton university, for example. And Tony Morrison's beloved, they have the complete archives there. Well, there was a house fire in Tony war's house and the, and the manuscript was cringed and smoky and burned. And he goes through the, the, the, the archiving of the discs and everything else. And who made what change when, and this is the bibliographers dream. So how do we look at creativity and how do we save them? What do we save about it? What's for worth saving. So anyway, two little book recommendations there for geeks.
Leo Laporte (01:16:58):
I see that pedigree also wrote a book about Luther.
Jeff Jarvis (01:17:03):
Yes. It's very good brand Luther. Is that good? It's very good. The invention of news I think is spectacular. Hmm. The boy the Renaissance is, is, is very nerdy for me. Yeah. In, in the Gutenberg parenthesis, I quote him just constantly, constantly in the manuscript. He's he's
Leo Laporte (01:17:23):
Brilliant. Nice. Well, thank you for that recommendation. Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (01:17:27):
Sorry. High tone bulletin. <Laugh> history.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:32):
Are, are we already on
Leo Laporte (01:17:33):
Recommendations? No, not yet. No. Don't get your hopes up full in time. Don't get your hopes up. It's like goodness said, are we done? Oh, we're so lucky. December security patches. Rolling out. Let's see if I got it here. I still waiting on mine still. I keep checking every time I see this story system update. Oh, you got yours? Nope. Nothing. Is this for Google?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:56):
Is it? Yeah. For Android? Yes. Yes. I got my pixel security update this morning. Oh, the
Ant Pruitt (01:18:00):
Person that takes their phone the most gets
Leo Laporte (01:18:02):
The update. So jealous 80 count Bugsy wheel, man. Yeah. This might be the what, what you've been wait for an the, the O oh, it's complicated is who's gonna get it. It depends on Google. Put it out a while ago. It depends on your carrier and your manufacturer. And if you have a pixel, it should be right away. There's a feature drop with UW B, letting you hold the of your phone toward the other device for nearby share. You can aim your phone at somebody.
Ant Pruitt (01:18:36):
I know a lot of people care about this stuff. I don't
Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:40):
UW B, B cooled later on its coming. That's kinda a
Leo Laporte (01:18:43):
Implementation. Yeah. Well, yeah. Is it
Ant Pruitt (01:18:46):
Similar to what apple does, but it's flicking things from one phone to, to another phone in the room. What is
Leo Laporte (01:18:53):
That called? Airdrop. Airdrop. Yeah. Is it similar to that? Yeah. It's like airdrop except on actually I think apple had this too. Cuz apple supports UWB ultra wide band as well. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> you can aim it. Air drop airdrop. You can aim it people. So you could say, I want to cuz there's six people, all who have air drop turned on that one. I think I could aim the phone at that person. It would airdrop over to them.
Ant Pruitt (01:19:15):
Miss Stacy. You said we redo the
Leo Laporte (01:19:18):
We're not in the change log yet. We're not. Oh, okay. Okay. We could be. You wanna be? No, I
Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:25):
Just, I wanna tell aunt why he would like this feature. Okay. Because as a photographer you can share your photographs really easily with people. So you don't have to do like 18 things or email photographs. You can just send the file directly to them. I mean, that might be interesting for you. I don't know,
Ant Pruitt (01:19:42):
Actually not for me, but I know people that would get a kick out of that. Being able to just flick a flick. A photo.
Leo Laporte (01:19:47):
Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. I'm telling family gathering instagram.com. It <laugh>. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:55):
Cause how many, like I still have like, people hand me a clattering of phones. They're like, Hey, can you take a picture? And you get like 20 phones and you're like,
Leo Laporte (01:20:01):
Oh, that's the worst. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you're like
Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:03):
Jeff Jarvis (01:20:05):
Is that, is that like the flock of phones is the clattering of phones. Oh,
Leo Laporte (01:20:08):
I like it. That's flattering. Flatting down for phones is clattering. I think you've just done it. The two of you in collaboration, <laugh> a clattering of phones. Phones. I like it. Let's actually let's do, could you get the change log thing going here? Big. Yeah. The Google, his finger was hovering on the button.
Jeff Jarvis (01:20:31):
Hey see, I think you were full. You were playing with
Leo Laporte (01:20:32):
Victor there. I was teasing Victor. Yes. Well, I realize if we're gonna talk about the things that are coming in, the, the the, the dump, the, I was starting to talk about the update, but the feature drop, they don't call it a dump. The feature drop is is a big, is a big deal. Although, you know, there is, there's a lot of messes in Android, 12, as you've been saying, there's a security patch, a hundred Android, 12 fixes.
Jeff Jarvis (01:21:05):
Are you still on happy an with
Ant Pruitt (01:21:07):
It? Yes, sir. Very much. So. Is there
Jeff Jarvis (01:21:10):
Anything in this, in this list of fixes that might make you less unhappy?
Ant Pruitt (01:21:15):
The list that I saw was like trimmed down to 60 or so, and it did not address anything that I complain about in particularly Bluetooth, connectivity and
Leo Laporte (01:21:24):
Functionality. There's more base control for pixel buds. A series user can now adjust how long you have to hold the power button before Google assistant activates the sound amplifier app on pixel phones gets a conversation mode. You point your phone via the camera UI at the person you wanna have a conversation with. And then you can put the phone down. You don't have to keep hold it that way. Quick tap. You went like this. Huh? What, what kind of conversation? I don't get that one. Look, here's it's a hearing aid watch. Here's a video explaining. Let's turn on the sound. Where's the sound. Come on, man. It's not, it's not, it's not sound. Oh, we didn't test. Here we go. No, we did. The irony here is not lost on us. I'm clicking the speaker button. Nothing's happening. Nothing's happen. Anyway, the idea is we are having a conversation. I'm a little deaf. I can use the sound amplifier and my earbuds. I aim the phone to the person I'm talking to and then put it down it, then figures it out. And then if
Jeff Jarvis (01:22:31):
She moves around the phone, no, I can't
Leo Laporte (01:22:33):
Notice you her. No, I, yeah. I don't think so. No, the residual life, if you had,
Jeff Jarvis (01:22:38):
If you had
Leo Laporte (01:22:39):
A UWB device on that person, then you could compatible talking to each other. That's right. You could that's right. Scooter X is saying, this is all old, but it's coming now. Car crash detection is now available in time. We did announce France that yeah. Android 12 fixes the residual light flickering issue, increased access to internet QS panel while on lock screen. No idea. Anyway. Yeah, you're right. And it's all just, you know, little, little fixes. The, one of the fixes will be to support high speed charging on the new second generation pixel stand, which should start arriving tomorrow. Ordered one. Right? I did. I don't know why I did cuz they have the old pixel stand and I never use it. This one's got a fan built into it anyway. And the idea it's noisy
Jeff Jarvis (01:23:35):
While you're trying to sleep. That's that's it was like white noise.
Leo Laporte (01:23:37):
It's a Bluetooth. Yeah. It's a Bluetooth charger. And the idea is it it's smart. It knows the pixel. And so it does special things. Have a pixel stand as well, but you have the old one. This is the new one second generat. This is, this is part of Logitech. Oh, that's different. Yeah. I have a few of those too, but, and my pixel sits on it. So it's a pixel stand, I guess anything with a pixel standing on it <laugh> would be a pixel stand. Okay. <affirmative> so that's so if you, you know, if you ordered one, get ready should be coming soon. And now you can get high power, 23 wat charging on the pixel stand. If you have the December update, the battle rages on between YouTube TV and this and that in this case, it's Disney, ABC and ESPN, YouTube two V TV could lose channels from all three providers. If if they can't make a deal, Google's been say
Jeff Jarvis (01:24:36):
Youtube TV is becoming a more important streaming vehicle.
Leo Laporte (01:24:40):
It's important to me. So when I use, I really like it. I really like it.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:46):
I really like reran disagreements are so anti-consumer I know this is re
Leo Laporte (01:24:53):
But well it's the same idea though. It's the same idea. Oh
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:56):
Yeah. It's the same idea. It's just, it's less, it's actually less defensible when it's over the public airwaves. So the FCC has an excuse to get involved, right? If you're talking about this, it's really just like, there's no reason for government to get involved.
Leo Laporte (01:25:14):
So Google says it wants Disney to treat YouTube TV, like any other TV provider. In other words, the same, get the same rates, that services of similar size pay across Disney, these channels for as long as we carry them.
Jeff Jarvis (01:25:30):
I wonder what the, you know, how, how many viewers does YouTube TV deliver versus, you know, spectrum Comcast.
Leo Laporte (01:25:39):
It's probably a, a small fraction right? Fraction. But I wonder if it's proportional in the paper. Google says it's inactive conversations with Disney, but if a deal is not reached by Friday YouTube TV will lower its monthly price by $15. It's $65. If a down of 50 while Disney content remains off our platform. Again, Disney owns ABC as well. N ESPN as well as Disney. So it's a, it's actually a lot of channels.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:26:06):
Well, if you're not, if you're someone like me who doesn't really care about ABC or ESPN, that'd be a smoking deal. Cuz then you just go over and subscribe to the Disney plus.
Leo Laporte (01:26:15):
Well, do you like national geographic or national geographic wild or ABC news live or the Disney channel? Disney junior Disney X, the free form. FX FXX FX, M ESPN 1, 2, 3, and Ocho. ESPN U ESPN news and the SCC network. Oh, I bet an likes CSCC network. Of course. That's the Southeast. Journey's a change commission conference.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:26:38):
That's what I was like. I was like, look dude. Oh my God. That must be worse than CSPA. Oh my
Jeff Jarvis (01:26:43):
Stacey Higginbotham (01:26:44):
Get watching Leo Cooper. Bye bye.
Leo Laporte (01:26:45):
Can you get your Clems and games on the S E network? Only
Ant Pruitt (01:26:49):
When we play the
Leo Laporte (01:26:50):
S E teams. Oh, you're not in the S E okay. We're in
Ant Pruitt (01:26:53):
The ACC, but our Riv is an S E team that hasn't scored on us in about three years.
Leo Laporte (01:26:58):
Well, there you go. And you can watch that happen on TV, except not on YouTube TV. If this deal isn't made by Friday,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:07):
Do you, you can get some of those in other, I mean there's Disney plus and Hulu, you can get FX on Hulu. So, eh,
Leo Laporte (01:27:15):
Yeah. Well I just, again, I hate these carrier battles. Nobody it's just ugly. And usually they resolve it before the plus. Yeah. It's all
Jeff Jarvis (01:27:24):
Leo Laporte (01:27:25):
It's chicken. They're playing chicken game of chicken.
Jeff Jarvis (01:27:27):
When, when I worked around the cable industry, which I did for a while they prided themselves. It's macho pride. We never even scrap of meat on the table. Even if we don't care about it, we fight over it. That's
Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:40):
Succession. Yeah. There's that big swing and big energy.
Jeff Jarvis (01:27:44):
So is there ever lot of big Richards <laugh> yep.
Leo Laporte (01:27:49):
Well, that's why I'm starting my new initiative. Watch out for the pump. It's gonna be a chance for anyway, Google releases a new wear S three preview offering a better look at the design outside of Samsung. That's the headline. I don't know what it means, but there you have it. I gonna see if I can parse this. Gonna try.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:09):
What, what is Google doing with Fitbit and where OS my goodness.
Leo Laporte (01:28:13):
This is insane.
Jeff Jarvis (01:28:16):
Insane. The new watch. Maybe gonna, gonna maybe show us some sense
Leo Laporte (01:28:19):
To this. So you get on your galaxy where four, which I have, you can get where OS three, but that's the only thing you can get it. That's why now there's a developer preview of where OS three. For those of you not on Samsung watches. It's nice. It's still a watch. I
Ant Pruitt (01:28:41):
See a pure, pure Android smart watch it's experience. So what have you, but after seeing what's happening with Android 12, I'm like, no, I don't know. It's probably
Leo Laporte (01:28:51):
Just gonna be, are you souring on the Android? Do you wish you had a Samsung phone instead?
Ant Pruitt (01:28:56):
That would be no, that
Leo Laporte (01:28:57):
Would be no, no, that's bad too, right?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:00):
No. Do you want an iPhone
Ant Pruitt (01:29:03):
Lord? No morning. Lord iOS. I do
Leo Laporte (01:29:07):
Not keep that iPhone away from me. <Laugh>
Ant Pruitt (01:29:11):
IOS is pretty a way. Would you devil that? All I could say about it, it is really pretty, but I, I, I never been able to just get down with it and function with it. And especially if I'm doing photos downloading from one place and then trying to find it on that phone. It's it's like the file system doesn't exist on iOS to me. It's like,
Leo Laporte (01:29:33):
Oh it does. They don't want you go anywhere near <laugh>. Yeah, none. That's true. Yeah. And that's the Google change long.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:42):
There is not a lot of news this week.
Leo Laporte (01:29:45):
I've got one for you. Let's test you Stacy Higginbotham of Stacy on IOT, ot.com. Do you know who coined the term? I OT
Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:57):
Kevin Ashton in 1996 while working at <affirmative>. Well, it was Proctor and gamble, but he was on the rev ones, lipstick team.
Leo Laporte (01:30:07):
<Laugh> gotcha. In 1985, a black man, Peter T. Lewis coined the term and conceptualize the internet of things in his speech to the congressional black caucus. Once again, robbed of their, just desserts, this courtesy of Kim Galland, who's a brilliant professor
Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:34):
Of new, did he call it the internet of things? Yes. I wanna see his
Leo Laporte (01:30:38):
Speech here. It is right here. Here it is. See
Ant Pruitt (01:30:41):
It, see, and niche shall find it.
Leo Laporte (01:30:45):
The current thinking is the term first originated at the auto ID center at MIT around 1999 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But in fact, this is a long article.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:55):
It's from Shein or oh, oh,
Leo Laporte (01:30:57):
Do you know? Che and
Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:58):
Sharma? Yeah. He's so delightful.
Leo Laporte (01:31:00):
Okay. Peter was at the head of his time, but didn't get credit. He so deserved. Aw. Yeah. he, he actually didn't just coin the term. He, he, according Chen brought together the vision of I OT. Oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:16):
Well I gotta get him on my show. Yeah. Tell
Leo Laporte (01:31:18):
Me he's alive. Is he alive? That I don't know. Well, he seems to have a LinkedIn page still, by the way what's really said is Chein found all of this, took his findings to the media, let them investigate and publish it. Every single one of them declined. They didn't find it. Interesting. He should have brought to, he didn't email me. He should have brought it to you.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:35):
I'm gonna email Che right
Leo Laporte (01:31:37):
Ant Pruitt (01:31:38):
So where did Chein put it up?
Leo Laporte (01:31:40):
Where was that? Peter wowed, the audience. Some of the stuff he was saying seems science fiction at the time said one person who was at the event, Chein published his findings in a paper, correcting the I O T history. You can request it. It has the entire original speech from 1985. There you go. But here's ex meet for Stacy. Yeah, here's so good. Yeah. Here's an excerpt from the speech. I predict that not only humans, but machines and other things will interactively communicate via the internet, the internet of things, or I O T he even got the acronym. Oh, my is the integration of people, processes and technology with connectable devices and sensors to enable remote monitoring, status manipulation and evaluation of trends of such devices. When all these technologies and voluminous amounts of things are interfaced together. Lame, namely devices, machine supervisory, controllers sell only on the internet. There is nothing we cannot connect to and communicate with what I am calling. The internet of things will be far reaching cannot be more
Jeff Jarvis (01:32:48):
Explicit than that's
Leo Laporte (01:32:50):
Exactly right. Peter Lewis, 1985.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:54):
That's awesome. Okay. Yeah. I'm on that
Jeff Jarvis (01:32:59):
While. Go ahead.
Leo Laporte (01:33:01):
By connecting devices now, such as traffic signal control boxes, underground gas station tanks and home refrigerators to supervisory control systems, modems auto dialers. See, he thought we'd have to have an auto dialer and cellular phones. We could transmit the status of these devices to cell sites that pipe, that data through the internet and address it to people near and far that need that information. This is exactly the only thing missing is he didn't, he didn't yet get that how pervasive the internet would be or how easy to use that is really remarkable inable in
Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:32):
1985. Yeah. Right. That makes sense. But wow. Okay. Yes. A great story. That's an awesome story. And, but, and GE
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:39):
Geez, Stacy who put it on the rundown.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:43):
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:44):
How? Yeah. Yeah. <Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:48):
Well, I just emailed it and, and I'm gonna be like cheating. What's up.
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:53):
Meanwhile, Stacy Nick Dover, Nikki Dover suggests that the internet of things boldly asks, what, if everything in your house works like that new printer? Your mom just got <laugh>.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:05):
Yes. <laugh>. Did you see my I did like an article probably two or three weeks ago on the unbearable fussiness of the smart home that basically talks
Leo Laporte (01:34:16):
About it was great. We talked about it on the show. Oh, our
Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:18):
Hardware. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is soft. Oh, we did. Yeah. I
Leo Laporte (01:34:21):
Think, I think we did.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:23):
I have no idea. Yeah. Yes, no.
Leo Laporte (01:34:24):
You were here.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:26):
I believe you. <Laugh>.
Leo Laporte (01:34:30):
Somebody suggested that I purchased this for the My bike. I need a bike horn bike.
Jeff Jarvis (01:34:40):
So this sun wasn't nearly
Leo Laporte (01:34:42):
Big enough Foghorn. Oh, look at the size of that thing. It's got a big old compressor. That is a giant compressor. He's he's I like this. I like that oil. Can I want that? Isn't that great. Nice little. This is like oiling, the tin woodsman. That's what I was
Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:59):
Leo Laporte (01:35:02):
Spin the little thing. There we go. You ready? Oh, he's gonna pull that lever. Isn't he he's squirting something in there. I want this job. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's just these here. It goes. It's warming up. Got golden pressure. What it's
Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:24):
I wonder what the, that head is for in
Leo Laporte (01:35:26):
Case you've gotta do it manually. You do do it manually. So has to sit here and this, I need this on my bike. <Laugh> are they gonna play it? Yeah, they are.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:37):
They are. You're gonna need a person with a side car. It's a lot
Leo Laporte (01:35:40):
Of work. <Laugh> it? It is not an emergency horn. Let's put it that way. Clearly is not. Oh, you gotta staircase. I gotta climb. <Laugh> my cow is this. Scotland's gotta be, oh, there's a clock. I don't know why there's a clock, but there's a clock. Well, cuz you know, it's got a timer. Uhoh uhoh well here, it's getting ready. Nice. And it's beautiful. Theo's coming. They have actually the San Francisco 49ers have a fog horn at their new stadium in in Silicon valley. Levi stadium. Yeah. When they score a touchdown. It's great. He goes, it's great. That's
Stacey Higginbotham (01:36:36):
Fun. We have fog horns. The fair, because the ferry goes by our house in the morning. It's not awesome. But in the morning I bet that's awesome. Like around four in the morning you're like, oh <laugh>
Leo Laporte (01:36:53):
Oh, why is it that early? Who goes to work at four? They've already been at work and
Stacey Higginbotham (01:36:58):
If you're yeah, I guess,
Leo Laporte (01:37:00):
I don't know. Maybe is it, is it round the clock? The ferry to Bainbridge island. Is it around the clock? It
Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:06):
Stops between like two and four in the morning. Okay. That's
Leo Laporte (01:37:10):
Not too bad. That's not too bad. Here's a nice story. About the future of everything. Toyo has a key fob. As many cars do that you can use to remotely start your car. It's a subscription service. Now that sucks. You have to pay $8 a month or $80 a year to use your key fob to remote. Start your car. Who do they think they are? Are the time men of
Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:40):
The year. So, so hold up, hold up. Apparently. So Kevin and I talked about this, but his wife had a, I think it was a Camry, but I could just be picking and inserting Camry in there. And he said it was very clearly disclosed when you bought that service, like that was a service that was offered to you when you bought the car. And if you said no to it, then you did know what you were getting.
Leo Laporte (01:38:04):
So you, I mean, you could still get in the car, drive the car, lock the car remotely. You can't start it remotely.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:09):
You just can't I'm shows what
Jeff Jarvis (01:38:10):
They're trying to do. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:12):
So I thought it was a bait and switch thing. Like they didn't tell people and they were just like, oh no, no, no.
Leo Laporte (01:38:16):
Like this feature, it's the same thing. BMW wanted to charge for CarPlay. So by the way, after a while people got upset and they gave it up. But yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:27):
Yeah. And this is a really interesting thing. Like as we implement more software features on hardware, we're gonna like right now you value your software. Usually on like how much time it saves you or things like that. But when you look at buying hardware, you tend to value the, or you tend to evaluate the cost based on like what went into it. Plus some experiential stuff, right? Like, like the leather seats might be worth more to you. Right? Mm-hmm <affirmative>. But when we're starting to put more software in things that traditionally we think of as hardware, it makes sense that the companies wanna push to charge for that value as opposed to the actual cost to offer it another
Jeff Jarvis (01:39:09):
Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:11):
We're fighting that it's a really fun subscriptions.
Jeff Jarvis (01:39:14):
You should be able to buy your car and run your car with all the functionality. It has. This was started by Musk, right? Oh, you wanna go on the functionality is you can walk your butt out there. I mean, remember how you used to buy like
Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:25):
Remote, <laugh> used to update your maps in your cars before Musk. You could, you would, you know, you had the option at least once a year to be like, yeah, I need to date my maps. Give me and
Jeff Jarvis (01:39:38):
Thank goodness Google came along and made that business go away.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:42):
Yeah. I'm not. I mean maybe Toyota waha did this, but I, I, I do think it's, it's just, it's a really interesting question because we're seeing, I mean, again, most of the value in a lot of our stuff is becoming soft for
Jeff Jarvis (01:39:57):
It's bad enough. You've gotta go there and have them char overcharge you for changing the oil and rotating the tires and doing whoa, you know, dances around the car to think that they they've done something and give you this huge long sheep saying, we looked at all those stuff. When you should be able to go to any bloody gas station you want, but oh no, I don't wanna mess with the warrant. I wanna do this. I wanna do that. So you're stuck going to the dealers. And if you had to buy the bloody car through the dealer, you don't like anyway, it all sucks.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:28):
Yeah. Those are some regulatory issues we're getting right to repair. So that'll help with some of this stuff and they'll have access to the software codes. The dealer network, that's a state thing. And Lord knows that the dealers spend a lot of money in local politics.
Jeff Jarvis (01:40:45):
<Laugh> so, so and so, right. So, so everybody, 3 billion people use Facebook untold billions use Google they're generally liked in the services that they do or you know, whatever yet. And everybody hates the cable company. They hate car dealers. They hate the phone company, but who does Congress go after the internet companies? <Laugh> yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:41:07):
Let's take a break. Your picks of the week coming up. Hello? Show's going fast. Yeah, we could do a whole lot more if you want <laugh> no, I
Stacey Higginbotham (01:41:19):
Don't wanna talk about regulatory capture.
Leo Laporte (01:41:21):
Let's we haven't touched more. I got cookies to bake. Oh yeah. <Laugh> I'm gonna make macaroons this week. I think. Ooh. You know, there really there's nothing to a macaroon, just some egg whites to hold all that coconut together. You don't like it. Oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:41:37):
Macaroons. I, I thought you were talking about macrons
Leo Laporte (01:41:39):
Mac roll. Yeah. I'm not that fun. Lisa loves macaroni. No, I'm not either. Yeah. I don't either macarons, but macaroons. I do like dipped in chocolate. Hmm <affirmative> yeah. I'll put a little cherry on the top just for you.
Jeff Jarvis (01:41:52):
Do you use that machine at to make them?
Leo Laporte (01:41:54):
Oh, probably could really pretty much we use <laugh> we use that machine of mine to make mashed potatoes in risotto. It's so good at that. I haven't tried anything else. Oh,
Jeff Jarvis (01:42:05):
Risotto would be super bad. Wouldn't he? Yeah, because
Leo Laporte (01:42:07):
AOTO you have to stir the whole time. This does it automat. That's great.
Jeff Jarvis (01:42:10):
Oh, so Stacy's face right now. Oh, oh the had
Leo Laporte (01:42:14):
This in her face. We're talking about a it's $1,500 Swiss device called the Thermo mix that occupies a massive amount of space on your counter and requires a variety of cheap plastic implements. <Laugh> that also are occupied space on your counter. However, $1,500, which cheap plastic I implant. Yes. However, it does make a fine set of mashed potatoes. You can make soup in it and stuff too.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:42:42):
It chops. So the important thing to note is you just stick your ingredients in the order. It tells you it chops. And it
Leo Laporte (01:42:47):
Has a scale in it too. So it says three ounces of milk. You just pour, it says, ding, you're done. And then you go to the next and it it's like if up. So it's a, it's like a crockpot, but it also has a blender in it. So it's like a blender, like a cooking blender. This is
Jeff Jarvis (01:43:04):
He Stacy. He's so jealous.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:43:06):
It is a robot chef. And I want it so badly.
Leo Laporte (01:43:09):
Ive never been able to adjust. I'll tell you some other things. You, you can't every time, every time without fail that, I turn it. It says, I need to update. We'll be with you 10 <laugh> without fail. It's cuz it's Android. Right? It's gotta be Android. Don't be hungry tablet in the front. Yeah. So it's gotta update without fail. Every time I heard it's getting in the way of your espresso machine. Oh no, no, no. Nothing's getting in the way espresso machine. My espresso machine has out her all to itself and sorry. <Laugh> sorry. It doesn't well, the two
Jeff Jarvis (01:43:40):
Of them, the two of them are just lusted
Leo Laporte (01:43:43):
Though. Oh God. They want my, they want my gadget, my
Jeff Jarvis (01:43:45):
Kids. It's like, they're waiting for uncle Leo to die.
Leo Laporte (01:43:47):
Put you in the wheel. I'll put you in the wheel. Exactly. I appreciate it. To ARU. I give my coffee machine to Stacey. Higginbotham the reading of mix. Quick will to Jeff Jarvis. I give absolutely B to that ni millionaire. Hey, we got it on. We got it on tape right now folks. I'm and aunt used to have you get your award to, I
Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:12):
Dunno, aunt, is he in his right mind? <Laugh> oh man. It's the end of a long week. He might be punchy.
Leo Laporte (01:44:19):
It is. I'm a little bit punchy. Let's let's take a little break. When we come back here picks of the week. I think I said that already. Our show today brought to you by user way.org is I think a really important this is more than a commercial to me. This is about doing the right thing for your customers, your website, you know, very famous pizza company. I, we don't have to name names, but they're a national chain said we don't have to make my, our website accessible. We have a phone number. People can just call us. And it went all the way to the Supreme court. They fought it and fought it. I don't know why. And the Supreme court FA finally ruled no that's called separate but equal. It's a public entity. It has to be accessible. That's the federal law.
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Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:13):
It was it's cuz I went to get a cookie. I'm gonna give you two picks. One is a holiday cookie pick. Ooh. The New York times has a recipe for peppermint brownie
Leo Laporte (01:49:23):
Cookies. Okay. Done. We're cooking. The, we cannot recommend that enough. We're cooking this weekend. Peppermint brownie cookies. They're freaking delicious. Are they like brownies with peppermints in them, but they're cookies.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:34):
Yes. <laugh> just yes, but they're so good. Good.
Leo Laporte (01:49:39):
Like peppermint bark or are they
Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:41):
Like no, no, no, no. They're they're like the consistency of a brownie. A really delicious,
Leo Laporte (01:49:45):
Oh, it's like a pan cookie. I see it. It I'm looking at it,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:47):
Right? No it's it's not a pan cookie. It's a round cookie.
Leo Laporte (01:49:50):
Oh, am I looking at the wrong one? I don't know. What are you looking at? Sure. What I'm looking at? <Laugh> she didn't put it in the rundown. Oh
Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:59):
No, I didn't put it
Leo Laporte (01:50:00):
In the rundown of this is New York times pepper and brownies, but it's brownies. Not cookies. Ah, brownies, cookies. See where I went wrong. It's it's VA there's recipe. Oh God, this recipe y'all oh, you may be an edge person or someone who loves middle pieces, a fudgy fanatic or a cakey purist. These cookies will PE will please all brownie lovers.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:25):
And you know what, if you don't like peppermint and chocolate, I don't know what's wrong with you. But if you don't, you could put like vanilla extracts and then just be brownie cookies or you could put like a bourbon extract and then you have like,
Leo Laporte (01:50:36):
I'm making the, now you're talking bourbon now you're I'm clicking. I should just put bourbon in there. Smash that, save to recipe box button. That's good. I like it. All right. Sorry
Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:46):
That, that is my thing in the week, but having just consumed them. Oh, okay. Today's thing is the flick buttons and hubs. And I got this because I love buttons. I can't, I can't help myself. I love the IOT buttons and the flick hub. This is the hub and this is a flick button. It is, it is like if, except it has a physical thing. So you can link a couple different services together so you can link slack. And
Leo Laporte (01:51:18):
Oh, so this is how you would punch me. You'd have a flick button at that end that activates the boxing glove at this end.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:25):
Yeah, that would, that would be an option if you want that to happen though. Cuz the flick buttons are Bluetooth and will work only with your phone without that hub. So if you have the hub that could ship Bluetooth to wifi. Got it. So they're super fun. If you have like, I, I run a lot of different light bulbs cuz I test them. So this way it's very easy for me to like my nano leaf, my hues, my, I don't know what else of light bulbs,
Leo Laporte (01:51:49):
Because the fir the first stage of IOT, we wanted to eliminate switches. So we could say, Hey, turn on the lights, drop lights. <Laugh> now the second stage of IOT. We're bringing the switches back.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:00):
Yeah, it's true. And each click, you can do a single click, a double click and a long click. And so you've got, each button has three options for you. You could also do things like Spotify. So like you could put, you could have some fun with this. If you wanted, you could stick it in there and you could have a button that plays your favorite Spotify song, like hit the button when you come in.
Leo Laporte (01:52:18):
I still wanna do the project where, when my phone joins the wifi, it starts playing my theme song so I can have my theme song as I come in the door. Nice. That's the one I want.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:29):
That's not gonna, no, I don't have that for you yet.
Leo Laporte (01:52:37):
But if you wanted
Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:37):
To press a button, when that happens,
Leo Laporte (01:52:39):
I could hit the button. When come in short term, then maybe that's the solution.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:43):
You could put it on your key fob and just be like, no one has to see. They'll just be like
Leo Laporte (01:52:48):
Screams here. My remote Rocky key fob.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:52):
So anyway, that's, that's my pick of the week. I've been having a lot of fun with these. I gave this to my husband because I had the only button that controlled our bedside table lights. And he was mad about that. So now,
Leo Laporte (01:53:04):
So this hub has an ethernet connection, which is nice. I like that. And I don't want everything to be wifi. Always. I like that. But it could be, it could be wifi. It does have ethernet.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It could be.
Leo Laporte (01:53:15):
Yeah. Either way. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:17):
Neat. I, I was like, I'm out of, I'm out of ports on my switches. So I need to go buy another switch. I bought, I wanna
Leo Laporte (01:53:23):
Plug it in a 48 port switch. So I'm pretty pretty set. O of course everyth fall. Everything has to be in the closet so that doesn't solve a lot of problems. Wow. Okay. Connie, can you turn on the lights? Yeah. Hold, hold on. Let me go to the wiring closet. <Laugh> we're really going backwards on I OT. Let me go to the MDF. F L I C dot IFL, F L I c.io for the flick buttons and hubs. Jeff Jarvis. A number of the weak JJ. Well, we could
Jeff Jarvis (01:53:54):
Do, could do a few things for one thing. I could sample me.
Leo Laporte (01:53:58):
What is that? You've got there. That looks like a delicious salt.
Jeff Jarvis (01:54:02):
So good. You can eat right out of
Leo Laporte (01:54:04):
It. That is that salt. Hank salt. Oh, thank you. That came fast. Huh? And you got some too. Stacy.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:13):
I did. Which one is that? I should've sprinkled some on my brownies.
Leo Laporte (01:54:16):
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (01:54:20):
Essentials. My favorite. We have the flaky sea salt blend with truffle and garlic. Ooh that's
Leo Laporte (01:54:27):
Oh, did you get all three?
Jeff Jarvis (01:54:28):
You got us all three. You got us all three. And the fake you us all three salt blend collaboration.
Leo Laporte (01:54:33):
We have an in.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:35):
Ooh, that looks, you gotta put that up. That's gonna be delicious on your Cacho puppet.
Jeff Jarvis (01:54:39):
Oh, I think I might do that tonight.
Leo Laporte (01:54:42):
Salt, hank.com. They're almost sold out. We this is my son. Refresh the page. You're cutting off my kid's ha FA beautiful face. <Laugh> show my page. You don't need to pull up these pages. I do it so you don't have to. There you go. Salt, hank.com. A premier blend of sea salts. Curated from look, he's making Cacho, Peppe, just for you just for you, Jeff, look at that. That is, that is my son. Believe it or not. Who is a TikTok phenom with 1.7 million followers. Wasn't seven now. Yeah. He's growing, growing fast. It wasn't that long ago at all when he passed one. No, I, I remember when he was just a kid, but that's another story. <Laugh> he is a good looking boy though. I have to. And if you it's a perfect gift for the holidays, they came fast. So that's good news. That means it's not, they did. They did. It's not too late to get your salt, Hank salt at salt, hank.com. Thank you, Jeff. So, so I, I appreciate
Jeff Jarvis (01:55:41):
The, I have a couple numbers here. One is interestingly the elevator company cone. I presume it's pronounced that way. K O Inc is released stats on elevator use with the pandemic in the top 10 European cities. The average number of elevator journeys plummeted 80% between February and April of 2020.
Leo Laporte (01:56:03):
Oh, that's right at the beginning. Yeah,
Jeff Jarvis (01:56:05):
The returned office buildings in Paris, Munich, Calin, Berlin, Milan, and Hamburg has remained at 60% of pre by the MC levels since the start of the year. So we are still avoiding offices and such.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:20):
Then pony is very aggressive on I O OT elevators and selling elevator maintenance and such as a service just as an FYI, that data could come from their smart sensors.
Leo Laporte (01:56:30):
Jeff Jarvis (01:56:33):
Interesting. Yes. And, and they're gonna, and they're gonna start charging you if you want to go to an even numbered floor before long, just like Toyota,
Leo Laporte (01:56:38):
Jeff Jarvis (01:56:43):
<Laugh>. So we did this one last year and I think we enjoyed it even before last camera, but the 52 things I learned this year. Oh,
Leo Laporte (01:56:50):
And who is I? Cause that's gonna really, not me have
Jeff Jarvis (01:56:53):
Something to do. It's Tom Whitwell. Yeah. Grit. Yeah. So you can just pick some things at random. Number 41 here. Cause we have the line number. We produce 200 times more computers per second than new human
Leo Laporte (01:57:07):
Being. Oh, that's a terrible stad man. 200 times more new computers than new human beings. Every, I
Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:16):
Dunno how much energy does a computer use versus a human being
Leo Laporte (01:57:20):
Probably. Yeah, but who's using all these computers
Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:25):
Didn't you did y'all talk about Intel in the metaverse and the demand for chips.
Leo Laporte (01:57:29):
No, but yeah, no, cuz I was not on, I guess everything, you know what this is? Cuz of Stacy's buttons. If you count those as computers. Oh yeah. That's what that
Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:37):
I thought I was gonna go a different way. I was like, excuse
Leo Laporte (01:57:40):
Me. I blame you in your dang buttons. So this is just like a, a he's he's just
Jeff Jarvis (01:57:49):
52 odd things in number 51 in 1970s, Kodak started to reformulate their photographic films to better represent dark brown colors because they'd had complaints from chocolate companies and
Leo Laporte (01:58:02):
Furniture manufacturers. Yes. It's a wooden furniture. Ma consider are the wooden furniture manufacturers.
Jeff Jarvis (01:58:07):
Stacy's brownie cookies that are the fault here. Yeah. It wasn't until 1995 they introduced your calibration card showing non-white faces.
Leo Laporte (01:58:15):
Stacey Higginbotham (01:58:16):
Jeff Jarvis (01:58:17):
Yeah. To your brownies. No. To the people. Yes, it is. No,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:58:21):
Just to, to black people everywhere.
Jeff Jarvis (01:58:24):
Yes it is. It's awful. I mean just, This is percent of us electricity is generated from old Russian nuclear warheads. What?
Leo Laporte (01:58:36):
That's not true. Okay. I call BS on that one. <Laugh> where did we get these old Russian warheads and how come we turning 'em into electricity?
Jeff Jarvis (01:58:48):
I don't know. I don't know. I didn't, I didn't click through.
Leo Laporte (01:58:50):
That's a very, I call BS on that one. I mean I
Jeff Jarvis (01:58:53):
Called misinformation. It's from NPR. Okay. The past decade, decades, 10% of electricians that's been is part of a deal struck to end at the end of the cold war.
Leo Laporte (01:59:03):
Oh, we bought their old missiles.
Jeff Jarvis (01:59:06):
We bought their final fuel shipments. The deal ended.
Leo Laporte (01:59:09):
Oh they were never in missiles. Okay. It's a little fudge factor there. We bought fuel that was intended for Russian missiles to use for nuclear power plants. It's not the same thing. As old Russian missile are powering our fuel. That's true. That is a okay, good. Right. I feel better. I could buy the, I could buy the real. The missile
Jeff Jarvis (01:59:27):
Is powering the fog horn, but yeah. All right. The battery in the new electric Hummer will weigh almost as much as an original land Rover. This is kind of, this is your nightmare of me filling the rundown. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:59:48):
Yeah. Okay, good. That's this is from flux F L U XX, a medium channel by Tom Whitwell and he 50 things I learned in 2021
Jeff Jarvis (02:00:04):
Bailey's Irish cream was invented in 45 minutes in 1973 by two ad creatives and Soho who had very
Leo Laporte (02:00:12):
Bad taste. Bailey's Irish cream was invented in 1973 and Soho it like, oh
Jeff Jarvis (02:00:16):
This is traditional bear was, it feels like a product of the seventies. I'm not gonna lie. Well, that's
Leo Laporte (02:00:21):
When I drag it, but that means, wait a minute. My mind is boggling. There was no, there were no white Russians before 1973. Okay. Wow. Wow. Wow.
Jeff Jarvis (02:00:35):
That, that feels true. Court has applied a patent to patent a method to identify bad smells in shared cars. Then transfer, pass a into less smelly cars.
Leo Laporte (02:00:45):
I have a good one that you can add to his list for 2022 NASA employs a full-time sniffer to smell things before they get put on the international space station. In case the odors are offensive.
Jeff Jarvis (02:01:00):
Leo Laporte (02:01:01):
A gig because as one would imagine, if you're stuck on the ISS with a stinky, something, you, you know's miserable. What are you gonna do? That's miserable this guy. So
Jeff Jarvis (02:01:13):
You can't, there's no tuna fish in
Leo Laporte (02:01:16):
Space. God. So this guy, you wanna see a video I've had sticky
Jeff Jarvis (02:01:20):
Books and magazines. This guy
Leo Laporte (02:01:23):
Has stinky ink. He's NASA's staff sniffer. This is from 19. Apart from the stunning New Mexico landscaping. This is from a YouTube channel, the science channel. This is the guy. This is what his job is. He sniffs stuff for NASA. Let Mikey
Ant Pruitt (02:01:39):
Sniff it. <Laugh> but can he knows a glass of whiskey? You know,
Leo Laporte (02:01:45):
Tell me all I'm guessing that he probably has a similar skillset. Yeah. By the way, just wanna point out, see this right here on the YouTube. If you go to the front page of YouTube. Yeah. I'll just do this real quickly. This is a number you could have used Jeff. Oh, it's not saying it on the front page, but if I click a video it's right up here. See in the left. No, what's that 1 trillion click it. Youtube is celebrating 1 trillion viewers of Minecraft content of over the years, all that wasted life Minecraft, 1 trillion views. It's the most viewed dude. My content,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:28):
My daughter watches this Minecraft fan gen it's it's remember red versus blue. So it's basically that for Minecraft, she it's, it's a big deal. Huge. It's called dream, the dream server. So they have these like very loosely plotted episodes and it's like on a third season now. Yeah. And she is
Leo Laporte (02:02:50):
Like crazy love Minecraft. Yeah, clearly. Okay. Mr. Aunt Pruitt, it's your turn
Ant Pruitt (02:03:01):
On my pick of the week. Which is funny. I also saw it somewhere else in the rundown. So maybe this is a great mind think alike kind of thing. Adobe has their new creative cloud express. I used to use this app as it used to be called Adobe spark. Oh, this is,
Leo Laporte (02:03:22):
Oh, I know spark
Ant Pruitt (02:03:23):
That app and service is so underrated for people that are just trying to put out, you know, marketing content or, you know messages, infographics and things like that. It's super useful and you can do it on the web. You can do it on your phone, on the web. It gives you a little bit more power. But they've, you know, basically done a little bit of updates and rebrand into it if you will. And it's now called creative cloud its express.
Leo Laporte (02:03:50):
So, and it's mostly free. You can pay for templates, but right. We played with it on Mac break weekly on Tuesday. And it actually does a pretty nice job. I thought it's great for people you know, Instagram and stuff like that. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>
Ant Pruitt (02:04:05):
Yeah. Anybody that's just trying to get, get a good message out that that can stand out from, from other stuff that's out there and just cuz they give you all the nice templates and it properly lays it out to fit for all of the different social platforms, even down to YouTube thumbnails and stuff like that. So yeah. Yeah. I just thought I'd give them a
Leo Laporte (02:04:23):
Shout. So I think that they deserve it. This is really great. Tuesday, there's a convert to gift feature. There's there's all sorts of remove background, reverse video trim, video. There's all sorts of things you can do. This is
Ant Pruitt (02:04:35):
I use it almost every day for something on social media almost every day. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (02:04:41):
I wish I had the energy and time to do stuff like that. That's really great. <Laugh> you don't even like social media? No, no I'm exhaust. He's like social. I'm just doesn't I just wanna go to bed honestly. Well, let's get you there. Leo. Let's get there. I just wanna sleep. Let's tuck them in. Yeah. The white Russian finish the show first appeared in 1949. It's a black Russian with cream. Yeah. You don't need Baileys to make a white Russian. No. Oh you need Kalu, right? Kalu milk. Well, so what's a black Russian, just the clue. No milk anyway. And vodka. So I know. No. Yeah. Clue and vodka I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I thought that. I thought you had to have Baileys for a white Russian. You have to have Baileys for my mom's coffee. Oh yum. Or a a mudslide. Right? Do you ever drink mudslide? When I don't like sweet drinks engineer high school. <Laugh> okay. Yeah. Do you have anything else, Ann? I'm sorry, go ahead.
Ant Pruitt (02:05:45):
Sure. My other couple picks is one that makes me laugh on Instagram every single time. I see it. And it's photography humor. And we've talked about Instagram in the past recently pushing more towards video content. And I said openly that yeah, I'm doing more video content myself on Instagram. And there's a little meme right here from photography humor. Just, I love it. Sums it up perfectly. I love the sound effects of the background of her crying. And because if you scroll through Instagram, you see a lot of photographers doing this type of behavior. <Laugh> in the mean reads a photographer, having to make reels to stay relevant on Instagram. That's the joke.
Leo Laporte (02:06:33):
However, you do have some reels on Instagram. I believe. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (02:06:36):
I, I do. 'em Fairly regularly because it's part of my marketing and promotion, you know, I I'm, I love my show and I put stuff up there for my show. Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. I love just shooting stuff of the family or other random things or tips and tricks that I'm doing and,
Leo Laporte (02:06:53):
And life at TWI. Let's not forget you post about life at TWI so you can see behind the scenes stuff. Yeah. My
Ant Pruitt (02:07:00):
Life. That was my first meeting couple years
Leo Laporte (02:07:03):
Ago before we told you about long pants, right? Yeah. <laugh> yeah, yeah, yeah. This
Ant Pruitt (02:07:11):
Is fun. This is good. First time getting under TWI sets.
Leo Laporte (02:07:14):
Oh nice. Coming in. Oh, coming in for a landing. Look
Ant Pruitt (02:07:18):
Leo Laporte (02:07:20):
So surprised we love having you here, aunt. I'll tell you. Thank you. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (02:07:24):
But no. How did, how did the really enjoy your Instagram? It's sort of a love hate, cuz like I said, I don't like that. MEA MEA owns it, but I have a nice community.
Leo Laporte (02:07:33):
You know, Lisa loves it too. I, if it weren't meta, I would love, in fact I did love, I was on Instagram when it first started and, and posted a lot. I love it, but I wish
Ant Pruitt (02:07:44):
It wasn't. Oh, that's my friend, Matt don't his daughters was on the show. That's so cute. Jump on hot. I gotta jump. She's excited to see yourself on the show. That's nice.
Leo Laporte (02:07:56):
How did you Instagram too? Jeff asked, how did we meet? Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (02:08:02):
I was on tech news weekly for something I wrote for tech Republic. And then Mr. Bondy reached out to me later about being on twig and then would just went on from there. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (02:08:17):
Yeah. Cuz I Chris tech Republic you know, because of Jason Heiner and so forth, we've had a great relationship. So we mm-hmm <affirmative> I've been very, always aware of you working there. So yeah, just good. Like everybody else, just, we slowly pulled you in <laugh>
Ant Pruitt (02:08:36):
Yes. Pretty much
Leo Laporte (02:08:38):
Into the black hole gravity that is slowly drew you in. Now I do remember
Ant Pruitt (02:08:42):
The time getting the invitation to be on this weekend and Google and, and, and saying I don't know if I really want me on here. I'm I'm not ready for that discussion. Oh yeah, you are.
Leo Laporte (02:08:53):
No, no, no, no. Yeah you are. And I, I wanna share your final pick.
Ant Pruitt (02:08:59):
Yeah. Cuz ti the season. I won't be here on the show next week, but I love Mr. Scott Wilkinson and just, I, I remember being able to talk to him at CES a couple years ago when we were in person at CES and just his, I love that man's energy when he was talking about televis. But I love this energy when he's talking more about tubas
Leo Laporte (02:09:20):
<Laugh> he's all into tubas and this is, they couldn't do tuba Christmas LA, which they do every year at forest lawn cemetery. They gather hundreds of tubas together and play Christmas carols. So conical supremacy, which is believe it or not a tuba podcast. Yes. There is such a thing. <Laugh> got Scott and his friends together in his friend's driveway for safety and they did a Christmas tuba concert. Listen for a and it's so good. So good. You'd think a tuba would be kind of a Leggos instrument for Christmas carols <laugh> but it's quite beautiful. It
Ant Pruitt (02:10:04):
Is. It's really nice. So much talent there. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (02:10:09):
And they played some of Scott's original compositions and all sorts of fun stuff.
Ant Pruitt (02:10:15):
He emailed that and it just, it just wore my heart. Cause like I said, love talking to him while we were there. And if people go back and look at those segments of him walking through the halls with you talking about the different television. Oh I missed that. That, yeah. That energy man. It, it was, oh, I
Leo Laporte (02:10:31):
We're. I'm the whole time to go back to CES this year. I, I just especially with I'm still going,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:10:39):
Ant Pruitt (02:10:41):
I know I'd like to go, but I, I, I get it. It it's
Leo Laporte (02:10:44):
Definitely, well, you can go if you want, but just stay away from us for the next six weeks. <Laugh>
Ant Pruitt (02:10:49):
I'd love to go.
Leo Laporte (02:10:51):
Yeah. I would love to go. You should probably should go. We should probably send somebody. Yeah. You're willing to take the chance it up
Stacey Higginbotham (02:10:56):
And yeah. I'll I'm gonna come back and wait a day or two in a hotel and then see my family on the backside after taking a test.
Ant Pruitt (02:11:07):
So well I'll well, I'll book something. If you, if you approve
Leo Laporte (02:11:10):
I'll book something, I'll talk to miss Lisa she's the boss. Just let me know. And of course Scott appears cause I love
Ant Pruitt (02:11:15):
Working it myself. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (02:11:18):
I know you do. You're really a CES guy. That's your place. Those are your people.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:24):
Get your booster now though. Aunt, if you're gonna go
Ant Pruitt (02:11:26):
That's the thing. I, my booster, I can't get my booster until sometime in January's. I won't that they
Leo Laporte (02:11:33):
Gave me. Yeah. So just a cautionary tale. She Lazar who was on Twitter on Sunday. Yeah. ha fully vaccinated, but like many of us got her second shot in April. So it's been eight months went to, to visit a family the family on Thanksgiving. They all got COVID 19. She got her boyfriend. Got it. Oh, she was down. She, I mean, she was really down for two weeks, but really lost a whole month. And she said it was awful and you do not want to get it. So just a word warning. I mean even fully vaccinated is not maybe gonna be enough with <inaudible> out there. Get that booster when you can a little tip, you can go safe, often has shots available at the end of the day. You could run over to Safeway right now. Oh, that's right. Yeah. And see if they have, you might be able to get right now. Yeah, that's right. Okay. I'll try that. Safeway, CVS, you know, Albertson's they all are doing a vaccination and it still counts. <Laugh> counts. Try that. Does it matter? You got in the grocery store. It still counts.
Ant Pruitt (02:12:34):
Yeah. Right? Yeah. I'll try that. Yeah, but I got an appointment, but it wasn't until sometime in
Leo Laporte (02:12:39):
January. I don't. Yeah. Kaiser's way backed up. I'm not sure why, but I, same thing. I'm getting mine tomorrow. Thank you everybody. Just stay, stay safe. This holiday season, we all want to get together. We all want to be with friends and family, but nobody deserves to get COVID no 19. So wear your mask. Be careful, socially distanced, get boosted, wash your hands. All the things that we've done all along that have worked so well. And yes, if you haven't got your shots yet get 'em and if you haven't gotten boosted yet, get 'em cuz it makes a difference. Thank you. Very much for being here. Mr. Aunt Pruitt, TWI TV slash H O P. We're gonna miss you next week. Have a great vacation and thank you.
Ant Pruitt (02:13:19):
Wonderful. Merry Christmas. Happy new year. We'll see you
Leo Laporte (02:13:22):
In the new one to you. We'll see you next year. Yeah. Yeah. We have a best of the following week. So I won't be back here till whatever that is June. Oh, I was like, wait, we have a show next week. You and I and and Mr. JJ will be here on the 22nd. The 29th is the best of twig. An you'll be back on the fifth, unless we send you to CES, right? Oh then you and I can hang an <laugh>. Oh, you know, what'd be fun. Is if you guys did a show from CES, did the show guys be fun? What, what I'm gonna have a lot of time. You are not. I know, but when are the what is January? All IOT stuff. So you could do the first day, you can go to those little mini trade shows on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday, and maybe join us on Wednesday.
Leo Laporte (02:14:07):
Yeah. That'd be kind, might be a little late. I don't even even know if you can get in these, this late. Probably can. I've already gotten approved. I just have the book. Okay. I just have, let me, let me talk. Think we should send, send somebody down there. I think that's a good idea. We'll do. And, and then you could be on twig on that Wednesday on the fifth fine. Jeff Jarvis, you know him as the director of the town height center for entrepreneurial journalism at the new mark graduate school of journalism with the city university of New York. He is a hooded Sy Lord by day, a nickel millionaire by email@example.com columnist. Thank you, Jeff. It's great to have you former TV guy, critics, Sinatra once column him a bum. And of course, Stacy Higginbotham Stacy on iot.com is her website, her podcast, the IOT podcast with Kevin TOFL, don't forget the newsletter.
Leo Laporte (02:15:02):
And she is a queen of peppermint brownie cookies. <Laugh> technically that's my daughter and waffles. Ah, I'm gonna go ahead and guess and waffles. That sounds sweet treats. That sounds so good. Thank you. Connected waffles. Thank you everybody. We will be back next week. We do twig every Wednesday except for that one Wednesday year, we have the best of it's around 2:00 PM Pacific 5:00 PM. Eastern 2200 UTC of a Wednesday. You can watch firstname.lastname@example.org. There's also an audio stream there. If you're watching or listening live chat, live our free irc.twi.tv is open to all club. TWI members can join us in the discord. If you're not already a club TWI member, $7 a month gets you ad free versions of all the shows, access to our discord channel and the TWI plus feed, including Stacy's book club, the untitled Linox show the GIZ fi and soon, much more.
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