This Week in Google 794 transcript

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0:00:01 - Leo Laporte
It's time for Twig this week in Google. Jeff Jarvis is back from ConCon in Germany, paris Martineau is here and we will both try to cheer him up just a little bit. Why did Joanna Stern only talk to chatbots for an entire day? Randy Travis how did he get his voice back? And Elon Musk as a font. It's all coming up next on Twig Podcasts you love. From people you trust.

0:00:33 - Paris Martineau
This is Twig.

0:00:39 - Leo Laporte
This is Twig this week in Google, episode 794, recorded Wednesday, november 13th 2024. Licensed to prune. It's time for Twig this week in Google, the show where you never know what's going to happen next. Very smart note is here from the information where she covers the weekend. We shot a little cold, a little cold to the nose, so I'm sorry. I hope you feel all right. We'll get some steam in here real quick.

0:01:10 - Paris Martineau
that might help yeah, if you could um hydrate the entire region of new york city. Uh, kind of bring up the humidity that would be great for me and all the plants yeah, yes, the plants, your plants, look good.

0:01:23 - Leo Laporte
The monstera is monsteros, looks wonderful. Yes, also here he's back from his sojourn in uh, the uh, where I don't know, the communist block of eastern europe. Where were you at con con?

0:01:37 - Jeff Jarvis
mines con con, which is the content convention in germany. I had the best schnitzel of my life.

0:01:44 - Leo Laporte
I saw your schnitzel picture.

0:01:46 - Jeff Jarvis
It was unbelievable A place called Salzkeller in.

0:01:50 - Leo Laporte
Frankfurt, and when you have that schnitzel you have to have kartoffelsalat.

0:01:56 - Jeff Jarvis
Some would argue that you must have a cucumber salad, but I went for the kartoffelsalat and it was incredible. It was crisp.

0:02:05 - Leo Laporte
What made it so good, Jeff Jarvis?

0:02:07 - Jeff Jarvis
It's properly pounded to an inch of its life.

0:02:11 - Leo Laporte
Which I do, by the way, with my schnitzel. I am a pounder, I like to pound my schnitzel.

0:02:16 - Jeff Jarvis
It is perfectly breaded. The bread stays on it. It is so crisp that when you put the knife into it, you hear it. When you bite into it, you hear it. And yet not greasy. No, not at all, just crisp. My cardiologist was still upset, but that's fine.

0:02:34 - Leo Laporte
What's wrong with this Now? Is it veal or?

0:02:36 - Jeff Jarvis
is it pork?

0:02:37 - Leo Laporte
That was veal, which I normally do, chicken actually, but when you're in Frankfurt, I get boneless pork chops and pound them with an inch of their life, and they come out quite well and I saw people were responding to my, to my slathering about it, about various techniques to make to add things to the breading, to keep the breading on oh no, no, no, it's very simple, little elmer's glue that was that chat yeah, I, I dredge it in flour to dry it off, then, uh, heavy cream and egg, and then the breadcrumbs and right to the fryer, and that seems to work quite well yeah, the potato salad was just the perfect mustardy.

0:03:24 - Jeff Jarvis
It was just magnificent. I had the Kleine Grüne Salat before that.

0:03:30 - Leo Laporte
A very nice little green salad. Little green salad Okay.

0:03:34 - Jeff Jarvis
And then something I never had, but it's true to Frankfurt, is Handkäse hand cheese, which in some circumstances could sound that's most cheese for me. No, we won't go there cheese, which in some circumstances could sound, that's, we won't go there. Um, and it comes. Music with music. Is there a tuba in the music? No, somehow chopped onions. Oh, sing an aria to you a few hours later? Yes, they do, or can, certainly yes. And then a big slab of butter with my bread and uh and two beers.

That's why your cardiologist was angry is the slab of butter, of butter. Yeah, so I was, I was, I was happy. Uh, before we get in, can I, can I put my plug up early, please? Yes, so two things. One, december four I'm not going to be on the show, oh, because I'm going to be at the commonwealth club in san francisco you did this last year.

0:04:24 - Leo Laporte
Lisat said it was wonderful.

0:04:26 - Jeff Jarvis
And I did it for the last book last year, so this year for the Web we Weave, and last year I'm going to be very honest and frank here it was really hard to fill the room and they almost canceled it. So please don't embarrass me. My friends, please sign up Please come Goodness, gracious, isn't it embarrassing. It's going to be embarrassing December 4th, december 4th at the Commonwealth Club. And then the other thing is, as you know, you're going to be here, I'm not going to be there, and so I can't.

0:04:51 - Paris Martineau
I can hold down the fort if you guys both want to go.

0:04:53 - Leo Laporte
It'll be the Paris show. It'll be me and Vinny. That's great. I wish we could just stream your speech.

0:05:08 - Jeff Jarvis
Oh, you don't want do that. That'd be fun.

0:05:10 - Paris Martineau
But leo will be on the scene making snarky comments so that it counts towards getting the room filled up is he?

0:05:16 - Leo Laporte
is he talking?

0:05:19 - Paris Martineau
what kind of suit is this? Did he think that was a good tie choice?

0:05:25 - Jeff Jarvis
And the other plug is that the Gutenberg parenthesis is now out in paperback.

0:05:33 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, it looks like a trade paperback, which is better than your little pulp paperback.

0:05:40 - Jeff Jarvis
No, no, no. Yeah, they did decently on this one.

0:05:42 - Leo Laporte
They did a nice job. Oh well, did a nice job. Oh well, did a nice job. So, jeff, you were flying to Germany last Tuesday. That's why you weren't here. You missed the election.

0:06:00 - Jeff Jarvis
Probably haven't been filled in since about what happened, I'm turning off all news. I don't want to know what I don't. I know nothing. It's funny because I go downstairs after the shows. It's about five o all news. I don't want to know what. I don't. I know nothing. It's funny because I go downstairs after the shows.

0:06:08 - Leo Laporte
It's about five o'clock, I want to start dinner and it is my habit to turn on the news, as it has been in every generation of reports since the news began back in 1653.

0:06:19 - Paris Martineau
I'm sure Hank does that.

0:06:23 - Leo Laporte
No, it is an old person thing. You don't do that, paris, like making dinner watching the news, that's not your thing.

0:06:29 - Paris Martineau
No, I make dinner and listen to a podcast, or ideally a podcast or commenting on a reality tv show and kind of a mystery science theater have you ever listened to watch what crappens next? No that sounds great.

0:06:44 - Leo Laporte
it's a marvelous commentary on reality. Lisa and I have a bad addiction to a terrible show called Below Deck, which is about oh, that's like one of the worst ones. Yes, it's about the crew of a super yacht, and they're horrible guests.

0:07:03 - Paris Martineau
You guys have to watch Traitors then, because people go pretty far on that show I like alan coming a lot so I would watch, yeah, a star and it's a scottish castle, so what could possibly go wrong?

0:07:16 - Leo Laporte
but uh, no, watch what crappens is these two guys and they do the voices and they kind of recap the show and it's just. It's quite funny, it's quite anyway. So maybe that's what I'll listen to from now on when I cook dinner okay, let's start with something fun, something like line 122 oh wait, we have to go way down just people know we put together a rundown of the show ahead of time, with news stories and each news story has its own line. By the time you get to 122.

0:07:54 - Paris Martineau
Something's gone wrong.

0:07:56 - Jeff Jarvis
This is one of yours, Paris.

0:07:59 - Paris Martineau
This is yes, that's why I suggested it.

0:08:01 - Leo Laporte
Okay, Unfortunately it's on Business Insider and I haven't paid the annual 49 fee, so you're gonna have to fill us in search.

0:08:10 - Jeff Jarvis
What if you do, mark zuckerberg?

0:08:12 - Paris Martineau
get low. So you know, mark zuckerberg what is get low?

0:08:16 - Leo Laporte
is that a song?

0:08:18 - Paris Martineau
yeah, mark zuckerberg has had a hell of a year or two with being a wife guy. He um made a very creepy statue of his wife, priscilla I remember that which we talked about in this show. He also made a strange custom car, and now he's done something else he's in her custom cars actually. Yes, yes, he dropped a single with t-pain. Mark zuckerberg did a cover of get low to honor his wife, patricia um it's that's a little

0:08:48 - Leo Laporte
john song that's a little john song. He's go get low, does he? How does he do it? Uh, yeah, wow, can I play it?

0:08:59 - Paris Martineau
well, probably not, I don't know.

0:09:00 - Leo Laporte
Get low was playing mark, or Zuck as he calls himself, when I first met Priscilla at a college party, so every year we listen to it on our dating anniversary. This year I worked with T-Pain, who is, of course, the king of autotune, so that probably helped a little bit in the singing department for our own version of this lyrical masterpiece. I don't think I'll get in trouble if I play some of this lyrical masterpiece. Can I? Can I, would I? I don't think I'll get in trouble if I play some of this, would I?

0:09:31 - Paris Martineau
I mean it's copy right.

0:09:33 - Leo Laporte
I don't know. But yeah, but it's not. It's not. It's not a little John, it's not a released version. Let me, let me go to Zuck's, you can probably get a couple of seconds in there.

0:09:45 - Paris Martineau
Okay, if you click the one on the New York Times, it starts in the middle, though, which is pretty good.

0:09:50 - Leo Laporte
All right, well, let me. Okay, I got the audio Playlist. He says what people think I'm listening to which is heavy metal. Oh my God, what is that? He's John Wick. Hey, matt Fight jams playlist. But actually what he's really listening to is okay, I don't, I can't look at it. Is this all an attempt to keep you keep showing his insta right? Is this all an attempt to um?

0:10:30 - Paris Martineau
right. Is this all?

0:10:31 - Leo Laporte
an attempt to um re rehab his. What the hell is he wearing? He's now stylish, oh my god. All right, all right. Damn she fine and there he is. She can sock like something there he is with t-pain, you know. I think all records should be recorded sitting down from now on. That's very relaxed, very chill. All right, here they are. Is the sound on? But I guess he's not playing anything. Let me see if I can get the tune I want to hear it.

0:11:02 - Paris Martineau
It is on the New York Times article you were showing.

0:11:04 - Leo Laporte
Is it?

0:11:05 - Paris Martineau
Okay, yes, if you scroll down it, uh, here, keep scrolling, keep scrolling keep a scroll and here it is get low, now get low play and it'll give you one more time okay, see if you can figure out which one is the multi-billionaire social media guru, and which one is the multi-billionaire?

0:11:26 - Leo Laporte
social media guru and which one is an actual recording artist. Oh God, I'm sorry, I can't no this is too awful Stop the insanity.

0:11:45 - Jeff Jarvis
Forget getting sued. I can't no, this is too awful. Stop the insanity. Forget getting sued.

0:11:48 - Leo Laporte
I can't believe it. Thank goodness T-Pain was there to auto-tune it. Even then it was still horrible.

0:11:56 - Paris Martineau
I can't believe I somehow hadn't put two and two together. The song would include Mark Zuckerberg saying from the window to the walls, to the sweat dripped down my balls, but it was.

0:12:09 - Leo Laporte
Is that in there. That's what he just sung. That's what I responded to.

0:12:19 - Jeff Jarvis
Okay, I think talking politics is going to be better than this. I think it's time to.

0:12:24 - Leo Laporte
Fortunately I have john slanina jammer b here to shout at us sorry, hey, sorry hey I hope that you. Uh, so this was a little sensor this was a little experiment, because people said, oh, don't talk politics this week, and so we thought we'd try something different I thought this was fun.

0:12:50 - Paris Martineau
I thought this was a fun little thing I liked, line 122, I'm not.

0:12:54 - Jeff Jarvis
I'm not complaining but when you pushed leo to do this, did you know that he's saying that line?

0:13:00 - Paris Martineau
no, I didn't know. I figured out. You can play the clip back and see my face, as I realized you actually said it.

0:13:09 - Leo Laporte
I didn't understand what he said.

0:13:12 - Jeff Jarvis
I didn't either when you get to a certain age, you don't listen to lyrics anymore.

0:13:14 - Leo Laporte
I'm glad that we can all experience that yeah well, we want to thank you all for watching today, and we could talk about line 125, mattel's big mistake.

0:13:27 - Jeff Jarvis
Okay, there we go.

0:13:28 - Leo Laporte
You're at the bottom, we go right to the bottom. So Mattel has you know. The movie wicked is getting a lot of push has. Have you, either of you, seen that yet? I saw the show on Broadway. I saw the Broadway on Broadway.

0:13:41 - Jeff Jarvis
It's not a great show. The first act's good.

0:13:43 - Leo Laporte
It's a nice soundtrack it kind of goes the second track goes downhill, the second act goes downhill.

0:13:48 - Paris Martineau
I mean, it's classic, you know musical theater.

0:13:51 - Jeff Jarvis
Yeah Well, paris um classic from the Disney age, not the exactly hot age.

0:14:00 - Paris Martineau
No, I know, I mean it's literally. It's literally a redo, it's a. You know, it's literally a redo. It's an offshoot of a classic, but yeah, it's become canon. It's the Wizard of.

0:14:08 - Leo Laporte
Oz from the witch's point of view? Yes, and it's cute, it's cute, it's a big and apparently the movie and kids love it.

0:14:14 - Jeff Jarvis
People like the movie.

0:14:15 - Leo Laporte
It's a great play to take your kids to, yeah, except because they've got the Wicked Witch of the West and she's she's misunderstood and stuff. Anyway, mattel decided, hey, this would be a great chance to make some dolls, some wicked dolls. The problem is there's a porn site called Wicked.

0:14:33 - Paris Martineau
Dot com.

0:14:34 - Leo Laporte
And it's Wickedcom. And apparently Mattel didn't realize that when they made the packaging for the wicked doll, they called it a misprint. The doll is for children four and up. Uh, but Mattel expressed deep regret, blame the mix up on an unfortunate error and vowed to take immediate action. I think they should. Yeah, I think they should buy wickedcom and turn it into a mattel toy site. That would really confuse the people. Uh, anyway, yeah okay, that's good.

0:15:13 - Jeff Jarvis
Looking at the titles there, it's pretty, uh pretty amazing oh, at wickedcom, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah no dolls, so I want to.

0:15:23 - Paris Martineau
They're dolls of a sort, oh wait so I want to imagine the setup if your wife was to walk in. You have msnbc on one screen, then you've got twit us on another screen and then, I assume, on a third screen you have hardcore pornography. Is that what you're working with right now?

0:15:38 - Leo Laporte
yeah, so uh, I'm looking I don't think there is a wicked doll site. That's the funny thing. So they somebody just said well, it must be wickedcom and put it on the packaging.

0:15:49 - Jeff Jarvis
Mattel has had to pull all of the packages all the dolls, but some were sold before they did that.

0:15:55 - Leo Laporte
Well, some four-year-old is going to get an education. I don't think there is actually a website for this. They just put it on there. It's hysterical.

0:16:12 - Paris Martineau
The website is wickedmoviecom.

0:16:15 - Leo Laporte
Ah well, no wonder I could see being confused about that, yeah wickedmoviecom, you think the print is past and print doesn't matter.

0:16:26 - Jeff Jarvis
well, this was a mistake of printing and you can't go back.

0:16:30 - Leo Laporte
you can't go back not easy, yeah, yeah, that's part of the problem, isn't it?

0:16:36 - Paris Martineau
I will say wickedcom has really dropped the ball on getting some there's an opportunity for some people.

0:16:42 - Speaker 2
They could have had some cross promotional stuff going on yeah but they chose not to some kid got a wicked education.

0:16:50 - Jeff Jarvis
That's all I can say uh, all right, you go to the real show now crypto industry spending. What is bitcoin?

0:16:59 - Leo Laporte
at. By the way, I, every time I go to bed I wake up and bitcoin is now at another. You know, massive 89, 89, 742 so that's a that's directly since the election it hit.

0:17:13 - Jeff Jarvis
It hit leo. It hit 93 today.

0:17:16 - Leo Laporte
It's down now, wow some, some bitcoin bros I think this might be wishful thinking say it should hit a million. Uh, but what? The reason bitcoin's going up right now is because, of course, the crypto industry spent a lot of money, uh during the election to get president trump elected. After trump went to the bitcoin conference and said he was going to fire sec chairman, uh, gary gensler, which, by the way, got such a big ovation, uh, donald said it again. Just said it twice because he liked the applause.

Um, sherrod brown, the chairman of the senate banking committee, got booted by bernie moreno in ohio. Who is who got 40 million dollars in the last few weeks of the election, that money which funded ads across Ohio. One Moreno, a former crypto executive and a crypto supporter. The seat, according to the crypto industry, there's a tracker called Stand with Crypto. According to the crypto industry itself, a huge number of house, like they say, 272 house crypto candidates were elected, compared to 122 anti-crypto candidates. In the senate, 19 pro-crypto candidates, including bernie moreno, and 12 anti-crypto candidates were elected, so a big majority in the house and senate and, of course, I think, in the white house, although you know, you never know well, baron is is big into it, and so baron trump, oh yeah oh yeah, he played host to a, I think, crypto officer at trump's crypto.

0:19:03 - Jeff Jarvis
Uh, endeavor, yeah, yeah so but leo, dogecoin, I mean, I'm sorry, uh, bitcoin went up 43 in the last month.

0:19:13 - Leo Laporte
Dogecoin, however, has gone up 254 in the last month partly because we know doge now stands for the department of governmental efficiency a dog thought it was about a dog 40 cents right now, so I think,

it's yeah, although although, uh, father robert on our network and a number of other people including jammer b, were a big dogecoin supporters and I think had quite a bit of holding in the wasn't dogecoin a joke yes, it's a meme, it was a meme coin. It's just meme. It was a meme coin, it's just a meme, as was Shinaibu Right, which is also big up. So all the cryptos are up.

0:19:54 - Jeff Jarvis
Yeah, my $500 is now $11,000. Wow, I have 7.85.

0:19:59 - Leo Laporte
Bitcoin I know Leo. It's going to be a million bucks, but I figured at some point quantum computing will come along and crack my wallet and I will. And I will because remember, I would have sold it a lot. I would have sold it when I meant five thousand dollars. Yeah, right, right, I'm gonna go. Oh wow, I'm rich. And then I would have watched it and I said I could have had $700,000.

0:20:25 - Paris Martineau
I'm a fool because, as I've said in this show before, as a child I bought a bunch of fake IDs for people in my college with crypto and I think at some point I had like three or four Bitcoin and would have been nice if I had kept that instead of Wait a minute.

0:20:41 - Leo Laporte
You were selling fake IDs.

0:20:43 - Paris Martineau
I wasn't selling fake IDs. It was easier to obtain fake ids if you bought in mass. So me and a bunch of friends all bought fake ids together. Uh, and me is the most technical, technologically savvy person was the person who actually bought the cryptocurrency oh, very nice, you should have kept it.

0:21:02 - Leo Laporte
It's like the guy who should have spent 10 000 bitcoins on a pizza. He's there's a guy crying in his beer. Uh, I hope it was a good pizza. The funny thing is I mean, the real problem with crypto and this is what gary gensler, soon to be former chairman of the sec, was saying is it's not an investment vehicle. It's a purely speculative vehicle. There's no, there's nothing behind it to give it some value. Even gold has some value. A stock has some value based on what it's, you know, represents the share in a company. But bitcoin is worth whatever.

0:21:41 - Jeff Jarvis
It's worth whatever you can get people, and part of the real benefit of it was that it was a way to get around currency exchanges, yeah, and then it was an instant change of money.

0:21:51 - Leo Laporte
Right, not anymore, because of the gas fees and the size of them anyway, and not to mention the, but we don't worry about that anymore. The damage is just the. You know, we don't worry about that anymore.

0:22:06 - Jeff Jarvis
The damage is as the you know Well, same with AI. We don't care about that anymore. We don't care about that anymore. So Ether is down. Ether's down Today. It's up 29% over the month.

0:22:15 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, there's going to be obviously some profit taking. At some point it will go down, but that's the thing.

0:22:22 - Jeff Jarvis
It has nothing to do with anything, or I got a question for you. Yeah, even though you don't invest in stocks, because I do, I buy, uh, I buy mutual funds. Mutual funds, yeah index funds at our age, leaving paris out here, um, do you think the market's going to go up or down?

0:22:42 - Leo Laporte
it's gone up quite a bit, hasn't it?

0:22:43 - Jeff Jarvis
it has. It has indeed I made thirty thousand dollars on election day geez, it's hard to really celebrate that from betting on election day or no, not from my holdings oh, that's another question the, the whale, who invested a huge amount in that betting market Freddie 999 or whatever, yeah. So he made money $48 million. Yeah.

0:23:13 - Leo Laporte
Really.

0:23:15 - Paris Martineau
Mm-hmm. And do you know what he says was key to him deciding to bet all that money on Trump versus Harris, right? No, why that? Money on trump versus harris right? No, why he said that he did um. He used a specific polling method uh like neighbor polling to where he would ask he hired his own team to do private polling of the us.

No, he hired his own team to do polling of the us and when he asked people who they were going to vote for, they said they had like two main questions. One was like who are you planning to vote for? And then two who do you think your neighbors are? Oh interesting and for the neighbor polling people were overwhelming, at least this guy says, and saying trump um in certain swing states and that's a pretty big bet to me.

0:23:57 - Leo Laporte
Bet 25, no how much he bet.

0:24:00 - Jeff Jarvis
He made 48 million, I thought he bet 30, but that's, that's only my memory 25 million was bet by four different whales.

0:24:08 - Leo Laporte
This is on us. Citizens are not, in theory, allowed to do this.

0:24:11 - Paris Martineau
This is on a betting site called polymarket the wall street journal had an interview with the whale I'm talking about. He was a frenchman that went by the um name, theo in the article ah yeah, so the big four were Freddie 9999, Princess Caro, Mitchie and Theo 4.

0:24:32 - Leo Laporte
They spent $24.7 million and obviously did quite well.

0:24:43 - Jeff Jarvis
And it's only a one-for-one payoff. It's not an odds payoff no, there is odds.

0:24:47 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, there's definitely odds. In fact, the odds were massively moved by these big investments right right, yeah, no, I think it's pair. Is it called pari-mutual? I don't know what it is.

0:24:58 - Jeff Jarvis
Horse race, a lot of friends who were, who were watching the betting market as if it was an indicator. But well, was it? Maybe, I don't know, maybe it was, maybe it was, if you're willing to bet money.

0:25:10 - Leo Laporte
At the time I thought, oh, these guys are just crypto millionaires and money is not very meaningful to them because it's just a yeah, it's just a token. Uh, of course. Uh, there is a big question mark now about TikTok. I don't know if this is a coincidence or intentional, but the bill to force the sale of TikTok said that the deadline was January 19th, one day before the inaugural, probably to protect it against whoever got elected right or what? I don't know. Will TikTok be saved in the last minute? Canada now has ordered the shutdown of the Canadian. Not the app, but the business itself in Canada has been shut down.

0:25:57 - Jeff Jarvis
Well, I presume that. So Congress comes in on the what, the 5th of January. So Congress could change, congress could repeal the act between there's enough time to do that.

0:26:07 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, uh, of course tiktok is challenging both the canadian and the us orders. Uh, in court get delayed in any case.

0:26:15 - Paris Martineau
Yeah, and then this time yeah and if we end up having attorney general matt gates, who's one of the few republican um lawmakers, to vote against the TikTok ban, it's possible that he could direct the Department of Justice to just not enforce the rule. Ah, good point.

0:26:34 - Jeff Jarvis
And this is an area where, at least I forget what you said about this Paris, but Leo and I have been lamenting the possibility of TikTok being shut down. So, this is an area where I'm happy. What's your stand, paris, your TikTok stand.

0:26:49 - Paris Martineau
I mean, I don't have any personal. I enjoy using the app. My understanding of it is just that it would be unavailable on the App Store, so I think it would still potentially work.

0:26:58 - Leo Laporte
Is that the case? I don't know.

0:27:01 - Paris Martineau
My thought is that it would be unable to be on the App Store and downloaded. I don't know whether or not it would just have to block all users that are in the US or not.

0:27:13 - Leo Laporte
The law signed by Biden on April 24th gave ByteDance until January 19th to sell TikTok or face a ban, and of course they can go to court.

0:27:26 - Jeff Jarvis
A restraining order.

0:27:28 - Leo Laporte
Yeah.

0:27:28 - Jeff Jarvis
I mean they went to court immediately.

0:27:30 - Leo Laporte
and, yeah, this is this actually is going to be an interesting question, because this is love hate relationship between the new administration and social media. On the one hand, they blame social media for destroying our youth. Actually, they blame it more for censoring conservative ideas yeah, and at the same time, they were very effective, including, by the way, using TikTok, but especially on X. Clearly, X is going to be a benefit beneficiary of the new administration right yeah, certainly.

0:28:07 - Paris Martineau
I assume, all the Elon Musk companies will yeah, that's what he?

0:28:12 - Jeff Jarvis
made. I was thinking about yesterday. He made so much on tesla stock going up that it wipes out his his, what he paid, oh yeah x.

0:28:19 - Leo Laporte
You know what, in hindsight, that 44 billion, yeah that it wasn't all his money, but the 44 billion paid for tick for x, that was a good deal.

0:28:28 - Jeff Jarvis
Yeah, that was a hell of a good deal. It's truly buying influence. Yeah, yeah, um, we weren't going to be political yeah no, we're not being political.

0:28:38 - Leo Laporte
We're talking about x. You see that in the lower right hand corner of the video we are streaming right now on x xcom, although a lot of people have decided that now is the time. Thank you for pointing at that.

0:28:55 - Paris Martineau
Very nice it took me a minute because my, for some reason my thing is mirrored on.

0:29:00 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, and you don't. You your finger can't I'm, nor can mine, by the way.

0:29:04 - Paris Martineau
Well, I guess you could. Oh wait, no, it's gone now. X is gone, it's now.

0:29:08 - Leo Laporte
YouTube, but there, it is right there.

0:29:11 - Jeff Jarvis
Thank you you know last two weeks ago, when we were trying to do the, we were all hanging on the same thing. I couldn't do it. I couldn't put my hands at the same spot. It was throwing me completely. I lost all sense of spatial relationships.

0:29:27 - Paris Martineau
I really look like I'm ridiculous. Well, no, we were all in the photo that we got for that. We were all doing the falling off thing. There was a time when we were all no, I never synced.

0:29:36 - Jeff Jarvis
I couldn't do it for some reason I'm watching you and then I'm watching that and I just completely lost. I'm very bad at spatial relations.

0:29:46 - Leo Laporte
Okay, that's good, Are we going down so?

0:29:50 - Jeff Jarvis
I think, blue Sky, you've done that already. Do something new.

0:29:52 - Leo Laporte
Oh yeah, Can't do that for the thumbnail anymore. Blue Sky got a million new users. It's now 14, point some million. It's the chief Benesh fishery right.

0:30:04 - Jeff Jarvis
I'm really glad I like Blue Sky a lot. I love Blue Sky. I think it's the chief Spanish fishery right. I'm really glad I like Blue Sky a lot.

0:30:06 - Paris Martineau
I love Blue Sky. I think it's so fun. I really have been enjoying posting there.

0:30:11 - Jeff Jarvis
When did you start on it in earnest?

0:30:14 - Paris Martineau
A year. I posted on it for a couple months a year and a half ago but then. I fell off a bit. I've come back and forth every, but I really started posting in the last week or so. Yeah, I like it so much I've been trying to check it more than Twitter, and I've been posting the same thing on uh X and blue sky, and my posts on blue sky get way more engagement, even though I only have followers.

0:30:40 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, huh, um I. So here's what I've been doing of lately. You know, when we closed the studio, uh, I used to run my website, leofm, out of the studio on a server like this box is over there and that's where the minecraft servers uh were. And then we closed the studio, I took it home and I never was able to get it back up and running again. So for a while. And then I realized I probably should get my website back running. So, um, I I tried and I rebooted the machine and like so somebody has kindly agreed to take over the minecraft. So thank you, uh, one of our club members. And as soon as that's up and running I'll let you know.

And I went to um, a site that I've been a long time of, paying five bucks a month Manton Reese's microblog. Are you familiar with microblog? No, so what's interesting about it is it's a little blog. And I have you know if you go to leofm, this is running off of microblog. But what's interesting about it? It also supports ActivityPub. But what's interesting about it? It's also supports activity pub. So when I post here it automatically goes to Mastodon and, yes, blue Sky. So that's a form of federation. So that same post. It's posse is what it is. Post wants syndicate everywhere. So the most recent posts I've put up are now on Blue Sky, mastodon and microblog, but they all start on microblog. I really like it. I actually upped it to $10 a month just because I realized I'm going to be using you as my website. I should give you a little extra money it's microblogwhat Microblog.

Give you a little extra money. What's that? It's microblogwhat Microblog. And you know I'm a big fan because it is both a blog and a microblog. So when you go to the timeline, which is this, it's just like Twitter or anything else. It's a microblog, right, and when you, but when you also, you could have a blog there and you could have posts there and you can have pages and and it's also it's it's kind of hard to describe because it does so many things. So leomicroblog is is my microblog, right, and leof is fm is my website. It's kind of a confusing understand. You can have followers on microblog, but it also cross posts I'm in, I like it.

0:33:11 - Jeff Jarvis
I'm jeff jarvis at microblog.

0:33:14 - Leo Laporte
Okay, let me follow you then. That's good. Okay, you know? Yeah, I forgot how to follow people. I'm sure there's, I'm sure there's a way to do it. Well, next time you post something, I can then follow you is what I'll do.

0:33:29 - Jeff Jarvis
Actually it would be Jeff Jarvis. There's two Leos reports there's Leo reported pixel fed. Oh cause you're federated.

0:33:35 - Leo Laporte
That's my pixel. Fed is my photo, is a photo.

0:33:39 - Benito Gonzalez
Right Mastodon.

0:33:39 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, so I'm at Leo at microblog and you're at Jeff Jarvis at micro, because that's what I am across all the socials. Yeah, yeah, or microblog slash Jeff Jarvis. So how much does it cost? I pay five bucks.

0:33:55 - Jeff Jarvis
Actually I pay 10 now, but the five bucks is, I think, the minimum, because what I do now is most news sites have a post on X button, so I go there, I create the post and then I copy and paste that onto the four socials.

0:34:08 - Paris Martineau
Yeah, so this you wouldn't have to. Well, okay, this doesn't cross post to X, but you use the post on X button from a news site.

0:34:16 - Leo Laporte
Just because it's usually there. Actually, I think it does post on X. Come to think of it, I think you can tie all your social sites into it, how. The other thing is, when I post a blog post I don't know, it's magic when I post a blog post, you can comment on it. Here, let me go to a post you can comment on it. Well, it's not doing that right now. Maybe if I do it on a regular post here's one with a title you can comment on it on other social, so you can reply. Do it on a regular post. Here's one with a, with a title. You can comment on it on other social, so you can reply to it on mastodon, but you can also reply to it on blue sky, so it's kind of an interesting. That's interesting, yeah, so you could, for instance, have buzz machine feed into it, because that's the other thing is, you could have your X feed into it or buzz machine, so you could post on.

0:35:04 - Jeff Jarvis
X.

0:35:05 - Leo Laporte
There's no length limit here. No, no, it's it. Could I write long posts? Yeah, it's also a great place to photo, to post photos. I post photos here. Who did this? A guy named Manton Reese. He is part of the Kevin Marks Kevin Marks world IndieWeb group and Manton's really a smart guy and has done a really good job with this and it's pretty mature. Now I've been using it for years and it's become really powerful and mature. I'm really liking it. So he's Manton, so M-A-N-T-O-N, so it's microblog.

0:35:45 - Jeff Jarvis
So let me play this off both of you, because I get people who are I'm still on twitter and I have my rationales uh, because there's people there I care about, because I want to watch what's going on, and so on. But I get people who really yell at me for being on there at all what's your thoughts?

0:36:03 - Paris Martineau
people are always going to yell at you for everything always, especially when you have an account with as many followers as you do. There is nothing you are going to be able to do in this world. It will not make a sizable number of people very mad you cannot.

0:36:18 - Jeff Jarvis
This is why I'm so happy.

0:36:20 - Leo Laporte
Paris is here.

0:36:21 - Jeff Jarvis
You don't post on x not to get yelled at well, I get yelled at for posting on x, now not, so here's not posting on x itself.

0:36:29 - Leo Laporte
So we've had this debate internally at twit because, as you know, we're streaming on it. Um, we have our marketing posts to it, lisa posts to it. Um, I, a long time ago, when elon bought it, uh, I immediately moved off of it and went to and said go to to follow.

You do that I do it all the time you leave. But I did do it. I mean I left it but I and I took all my posts off of it and and it says, if you go to my you know X dot com, slash Leo Laporte. It says, don't, I'm not here, I'm on Mastodon and he never. By the way, I'm blue check now because I don't know why, because I have half a million followers yeah yeah, so humble brag there, but go ahead.

Well, it's down. You know it was 550,000. It's now down to 485,000. So I don't know what's going on. But anyway, I keep telling. I said I was going to say my team, but it's really Lisa. I keep telling Lisa, my team, my team, but it's really Lisa. I keep telling Lisa.

0:37:26 - Paris Martineau
My team.

0:37:28 - Leo Laporte
My team, the team that I married. I keep saying why are we on X? Let's get off X. And she says no, because it's a valuable place for us to be. Furthermore, we stream on X. Right now there's 213 people. We don't know what that number means. The number says 213, either watching or having watched on an x. So I think it's a good way to introduce our, our content, to new people yeah, there's people there I I I care about.

0:37:55 - Jeff Jarvis
I'm not going to see elsewhere, so I keep losing that battle, by the way.

0:37:58 - Leo Laporte
But uh, you know, I get overruled because I would. I would have left, but I did leave. I left personally paris. What about you? But then, well wait, I then I asked corey doctorow and he and he's still there. And if corey doctorow is there, a man of principle, he if. If he leaves it, then I'm going to have to say we got to get off, but he's still there. And he says he can't leave it's anatevka until the cossacks force him out. He has to stay.

0:38:25 - Paris Martineau
I think I mean I'm not going to leave the platform. Yeah, I guess that's my answer. I'm not going to leave X for the time being. I'm not going to be posting there as much. I find, I don't know. At least over the last week or two, I've found posting on Blue Sky to be a much more fun and rewarding experience.

0:38:44 - Leo Laporte
It's nicer, it's friendlier, isn't it?

0:38:46 - Paris Martineau
Well, I mean, it's friendlier and it's also. I like to use a micro blogging site like this to get information from a very specific group of people, and I found it hard to do that. Yes, on um twitter now, because the way the for you page is set up is I am being forced to read every single one of elon musk's weird ass.

0:39:11 - Leo Laporte
Oh, sorry, um and he posts a lot by the way a lot.

0:39:16 - Paris Martineau
Oh my god, or it's strange videos I didn't want, or it's you know uh, that's your for you timeline.

0:39:24 - Leo Laporte
You could do your following timeline and it would be okay, I follow so many people.

0:39:28 - Paris Martineau
It's not particularly useful to have a chronological feed from you know the many thousands of people I follow. I would like a for you of the people I follow, but that's not an option, leo he comes up, guy, is there are multiple. You can basically design whatever feed you want or subscribe to other people's feet. I like that feature so useful. Like there's a feed I just subscribed to that is gift links posted by journalists. If somebody shares a gift link of a news article, then it populates a feed.

0:40:00 - Leo Laporte
See, then I could go to that business insider article you posted. That's true, actually, do they have gift links? They have such a hard paywall.

0:40:08 - Jeff Jarvis
Can you use archived up today on them? Yeah, you actually, you know.

0:40:13 - Leo Laporte
I can't believe Steve Gibson yesterday on Security Now said I couldn't, it was at a hard paywall so I just turned off JavaScript and it was fine. So he yeah, so there's a way around it, I guess.

0:40:27 - Jeff Jarvis
I get Elon's posts even in my notifications.

0:40:30 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, I guess that's.

0:40:31 - Jeff Jarvis
He puts them everywhere. Elon wants you to see his stuff Blue Sky doesn't have.

0:40:35 - Leo Laporte
That. Is it political? Though I mean I'm on Blue Sky, I'm not saying I'm not on Blue Sky.

0:40:39 - Paris Martineau
It depends who you are following.

0:40:43 - Jeff Jarvis
Yeah, I blocked a few people on Blue Sky and the good thing is blocking still works there.

0:40:49 - Leo Laporte
It no longer works on Twitter. It works intensely there One way. It's a one way block, yeah no, no On blue sky.

0:40:56 - Paris Martineau
It's what they call a nuclear block, where it will nuke every interaction you've ever had with that person. If you block them, I think it's good.

0:41:05 - Jeff Jarvis
And I blocked for for some silly things. Why not? Because I'm. Whenever I linked to Washington, post New York times, somebody is Post New York Times, somebody's going to yell at me because you're right, paris, they always yell at me. You know how can you send them more traffic? You do this. I'm a media critic. I link to it. Don't click, and if they do it too often, I block them because they're boring.

0:41:25 - Leo Laporte
I want to get rid of them.

0:41:26 - Jeff Jarvis
Functionality.

0:41:39 - Leo Laporte
I don't just block complete jerks. For people who don't remember, is was Jack Dorsey, when he was the ceo of twitter, gave 15 million dollars to uh a group, uh kind of a, uh skunk works to create a uh federated site and that ended up being blue sky and jay graver, notably jack dorsey, now owns zero percent of blue sky and he's not on the board anymore either, right, no?

he's completely mike masnick's on the board I know I love it that mike masnick's on the board. I know I love it, the Mike Masnick's. Yeah, if blue sky got more aggressively federated, I, I would. That would make it huge.

0:41:59 - Paris Martineau
I mean they're working on it.

0:42:00 - Jeff Jarvis
They are working.

0:42:01 - Paris Martineau
They just got some money. They're trying to. They have a team of like five people, right they're trying their best.

0:42:09 - Jeff Jarvis
Okay, these sudden influxes of people and whatever comes along with that. Yeah, there's a much more interesting. We haven't talked about threads at all here. I mean, I still do it. That's.

0:42:22 - Paris Martineau
Yeah, it's the user interface I have never liked using threads. It just felt bad to me and also meta, is it not?

0:42:30 - Leo Laporte
but?

0:42:30 - Paris Martineau
also instagram is just inherently a inherently very different to me from what I want from a micro-blogging news type site. They're just two totally different parts of my life. But I've also heard that threads feels very janky. I think Isaac today was posting about how he's been using threads for a while. Isaac was really surprised coming over to Blue Sky about how much better it worked than threads yeah, well, the user interface.

0:43:00 - Jeff Jarvis
If I, if I want to see my notifications or my replies, I have to do one feed of that and then if I want to go off to one of them, then I have to come back almost to the beginning. I can't really interact here. I can't interact there.

0:43:11 - Leo Laporte
It's not built for interaction and conversation, right by the way, my posts go to both threads, mastodon and blue sky, when I post on micro blog. So great, yeah, and it does a nice job. This is, uh, this is I was showing you my blog and then this is the threads profile and it really pretty much is the same and you can reply and you get likes when you have a very long.

0:43:35 - Jeff Jarvis
Let me ask this thing, um, do you decide where to post it on each post, or does it always post all?

0:43:43 - Leo Laporte
uh, I uh, no, you, there's a check box.

0:43:45 - Jeff Jarvis
You can definitely do a check because if you write a really long post, you don't necessarily want to put that on to uh, blue sky, um, or you do, and it just has dot dot dot. Yeah, I think it says more, and you click there and it goes to your.

0:43:59 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, okay, yeah, uh, I can't remember, but I don't even think about it. I actually don't think about it. I just post on microblog and and let the chips fall where they may. Um, anyway, good congrats. I mean, I think it's good, good for you. Blue sky cory says he will not move to blue sky until they federate, because he doesn't want and I understand this, he does. You know it was bad enough. You know he's the guy who created the term and shitification. He says bad enough that he's on x and can't leave. He doesn't want to go to another place that might be. Did you say hey?

hey, I said hey it's in you know, so I. So it's not the word. It's in another longer word.

0:44:39 - Jeff Jarvis
I don't think that counts we're gonna have to agree as someone who likes cursing yes, uh, I suggested we change it to in clipification.

0:44:50 - Paris Martineau
Uh, with a little tip of the hat to clippy on microsoft in shoot of the key, in shoot of the cushion and shoot of the cushion we've been calling it in shoot of the cation, but that really confuses people I really dislike that actually yeah, and clipification, I think in shoot of the cation is fine right and

0:45:06 - Leo Laporte
clipification is for ai we'll call it in shitification because it's because it's not a bad word. It's a bad word within a word.

0:45:16 - Jeff Jarvis
I wrote a whole guardian column once about how the word bull is political speech it is now you can't talk about. Well, you know you never could talk about politics without being able to use that word. Yeah, and to call that um uh, obscene was to limit political speech.

0:45:33 - Leo Laporte
This is another thing that buzzles me about. Uh, buzzles trump. Buzzles me about trump is he is fairly profane all the time and it and um, it's kind of his that word, by the way. He's crept into news stories because he uses it and uh, I think that's kind of interesting because it's not the, it's not the conservative right that I grew up with. No, I can't imagine, you know, uh, nelson rockefeller or barry goldwater or ronald reagan. I bet barry goldwater swore like oh yeah, but not in public right like lyndon johnson we knew that.

Yeah, the democrats have always been swearers. They filthy mouth, potty mouth. Yeah, let's take a break when we come back. No politics. We said no politics, with a good luck on that with Jeff Jarvis. Oh, I didn't give you your your new title. Oh, I didn't even get the song.

0:46:31 - Paris Martineau
I don't even know if he introduced you.

0:46:34 - Jeff Jarvis
I don't think I even did my plugs immediately, which was more valuable.

0:46:37 - Leo Laporte
Oh, that's right, jeff is now. I don't know. Do you have a? They used to make me a laminated card with your stuff on it.

0:46:45 - Jeff Jarvis
You don't have to do it. Why did you prompt?

0:46:48 - Leo Laporte
yourself to do this, knowing that you weren't going to be able to ever, had driven down a dead end and realized too late there's no way out well, I certainly didn't just decide to floor it once I realized there was no way out jeff jarvis is the leonard was? Is the emeritus leonard tau professor for journalistic innovation at the cra Newmark Madrua School of Journalism at the City University of New York. Did I get that?

0:47:20 - Jeff Jarvis
almost right yeah, okay.

0:47:22 - Leo Laporte
Now he's at some New Jersey place.

0:47:25 - Jeff Jarvis
I'm a distinguished fellow at the Center for Cooperative Media at Montclair State University's School of Communication and Media. Yeah, and I'm visiting professor at Stony Brook University's School of Communication and Journalism.

0:47:45 - Leo Laporte
SUNY Stony Brook. So two very esteemed halls of academia, lovely institutions. Congratulations, that's wonderful.

0:47:55 - Jeff Jarvis
While we've sung our praises to craig, I want to mention that he just a hundred million second he pledged a second hundred million dollars to veterans benefits, which is wonderful.

0:48:09 - Leo Laporte
He did it, of course, because 11 11 was veterans day, but it I don't know about you, jeff, but I thought oh, he's richer than I realized. That's a not insignificant amount of money.

0:48:24 - Jeff Jarvis
Amen, and he has announced that he wants to give it all away, and he's doing that, and others would take a huge organization and build a nice Ford Foundation building and all that. No, this is Craig, and he's deciding what matters to him, and that includes veterans and cybersecurity. Speaking of cybersecurity, I emailed you guys. I think we ought to have Craig and Stacey on, because indeed, his gift to Consumer Reports does involve Stacey. That's so great.

0:48:53 - Paris Martineau
Okay, that's wonderful, and I would like to think that perhaps twit brought them together I think craig should come on, but he either he should or all of us should wear pigeon costumes the gauntlet is down craig will respond tomorrow, Craig.

0:49:15 - Jeff Jarvis
what do you think? Pigeon?

0:49:16 - Leo Laporte
costume. The only drawback to that is our esteemed producer, technical director and editor, benito Gonzalez, is leaving forever. Not forever, but for a month.

0:49:27 - Jeff Jarvis
Don't finish this sentence. It's going to feel like a month.

0:49:29 - Leo Laporte
Okay.

0:49:29 - Benito Gonzalez
I was concerned.

0:49:31 - Leo Laporte
How long are you going to the Philippines for Benito?

0:49:33 - Benito Gonzalez
I'm going to be there for about two and a half weeks, oh, and then Tokyo for a couple of days.

0:49:37 - Leo Laporte
Oh Ooh, so you'll be gone three weeks.

0:49:41 - Benito Gonzalez
Yeah, about three, I'm missing four episodes.

0:49:43 - Leo Laporte
Four episodes Because I'm leaving next Wednesday, yeah, so so how dare you?

0:49:49 - Benito Gonzalez
We might have to wait till 2025 for the To figure out how to learn this it's going to be john ashley in my place john ashley will be here.

0:49:57 - Leo Laporte
That's so good.

0:49:58 - Jeff Jarvis
Yeah, we have other producers if you were to do it from the philippines, what hour would it be? What is, what time is this now?

0:50:03 - Benito Gonzalez
hey, and this is actually something I've thought about, and it would be 4 am not good, not, no, that's not good I right now the newspaper job that started at 2 am and it was the worst shift I've ever worked. Like right now it's 7 am. Okay.

0:50:21 - Leo Laporte
Well, you know, I have my clock set to UTC so that I always know what time it is in UTC, and it's 11 pm UTC.

0:50:32 - Jeff Jarvis
Let's see that clock back? Does anyone who actually uses UTC, say 11, do a 12 hour clock, or they always do the 24 2300, I think, in the uk, which is officially where utc began, greenwich.

0:50:44 - Leo Laporte
Meantime they probably what is it you? You say 11 pm, right? You don't have that weird european 2300 thing, right I?

0:50:52 - Speaker 2
don't know who are you. Anyway, according to, according to commercial already?

0:50:56 - Leo Laporte
no, no, according to brandroid, we just began the show. It's not an official show till the craig newmark sings, so it's true, we've got three more hours, guys strapping hasan congratulations, uh, hasan ahmad just gave us ten dollars.

Thank you, hasan and he pointed out, the guardian has quit x as of today. The guardian and four or five celebrities did as well, and I think mostly now he's saying x is the right wing bubble, but blue sky is the left wing bubble. Threads because they don't have any politics, becomes the non-political center bubble and, uh, you keep giving us money. Hassan, I'll keep reading your tweets. I don't know what you call them in there on youtube, but anyway, thank you, hassan, I appreciate it they're called super chats on youtube super chats.

My preference is you join the club, but that's all. We need seven bucks a month. If you join the club, you get ad free so they can brag about that of our shows. You get into the discord. You can chat there. Of course, many of our club members still watch on youtube. Some of them chat on youtube. You can chat wherever you want. We see all of it. We saw we're on eight different platforms, including tiktok, uh, facebook, linkedin, xcom, discord for our club members, youtube and twitch and I I feel like, did I say?

0:52:15 - Jeff Jarvis
you always forget one sleepy dopey grumpy you always leave.

0:52:18 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, it is it's like the seven dwarves, it's the eight dwarves. Uh show today. Uh, we're very happy. Who's that? Was that? Craig newmark paying a visit. Our show today brought to you by. We're very happy to say us cloud. Who's? That there's a ghost we're haunted already, but his body's still here.

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Google. I wish Stacey were here because I would love to get her take on Matter 1.4, an update to the home automation standard called matter. That finally brings matter kind of up to where it should have been, frankly, all along, including support for wi-fi routers, heat pumps, solar panels, some much-needed fixes, according to the verge, for interoperability and thread network issues. Matter is the remember the kind of weird love child of Amazon, apple, google and a bunch of other home automation companies who realize that siloed home automation is useless. Sure, each of these companies would love to own the market, but they don't, and so they created Matter so that there's some interoperability. Finally, I think and the Verge agrees and it's Jennifer Patterson Toohey writing. Of course, we know her very well. She's a regular on Tech News Weekly and on other shows.

0:57:32 - Jeff Jarvis
I would love to get Stacey's take on it, because it sounds like it's a big improvement.

0:57:36 - Leo Laporte
I wonder how into home automation she still is. Is you think she's kind of moved on? I know no, she's still into it, although I did ask her and she said, because we do the book club still with her she's disconnected a lot of an honest woman.

Our stacy, yeah um, well, you know I will ask her. We're going to do another stacy's book club in uh in december, so I'll ask her at that time. Uh, matter 1.4 update will start rolling out to supported echo and ero devices early next year. That's the. Those are both amazon devices. Google said the company's actively working to implement the enhanced multi-admin feature plans to bring support for new device types in the future. In the future Apple, we'll see Apple. We were doing Mac break weekly and at the very end of the show a story broke on. Was it last week or this week I think it was this week that Apple is going to be, according to Mark Gurman, the Apple rumor guy, who's very accurate, oh no. Or was it Ming Chico rumor guy, who's very accurate? Oh no. Or was it ming qi quo, another, another rumor guy, that apple's going to make a home automation wall dispute?

yeah, saw that I believe that was that bloomberg reported that I think it was ming qi quo, okay, or maybe it was bloomberg, I can't remember. Anyway a credible story that has been who, who needs?

0:58:53 - Paris Martineau
that is my question.

0:58:54 - Leo Laporte
Well, Well, you live in a New York City apartment with a kitchen the size of a slice of toast, so you don't have a need for that.

0:59:06 - Paris Martineau
I have automation.

0:59:08 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, although I do love the switch in your fireplace. But so you know, honestly, I think switches are not a bad thing. They work pretty well, they're very reliable, you know if they don't have a user manual. There's no manual, you just look over and you go, it's off. Let me turn it on and you flip it.

0:59:29 - Jeff Jarvis
But uh people how much do leo? How much in your new abode did you do?

0:59:34 - Paris Martineau
uh, automation, all automated oh can you clap on, clap off.

0:59:40 - Leo Laporte
I've never well luxury so all the light switches are lutron cassettes, which means you can talk to them somehow, I don't know. Uh, even these lights are on the Wi-Fi. I have more than 100 devices on my Wi-Fi.

0:59:58 - Jeff Jarvis
Is that why you were going down the first few weeks? The show was there Actually yeah.

1:00:03 - Paris Martineau
Is there something we could say that would turn all the lights off in your studio right now?

1:00:07 - Jeff Jarvis
I'm not telling you Tragic word.

1:00:11 - Leo Laporte
I'm not telling you, I haven't got the voice assistant all working. I have a server over here, a home assistant server. The home assistant green, is over here. I have, uh, I mean of all the stuff, but it's complicated in theory. I could say, you know, turn on the studio and the blinds would close, the lights would come on, the cameras and that's dumb, that's hard, it's just no one wants to do that it's all.

1:00:38 - Paris Martineau
Then one update breaks everything yeah yeah yeah, I mean, that's where my only real smart home tech is. I've got, uh, philips hue lights, but those have gotten so expensive over the last years and they were never cheap. They've just gotten outrageously expensive.

1:00:54 - Leo Laporte
Now I also have whiz lights, which is not it's w-i-z yes, I know yes but it just sucks.

1:01:02 - Paris Martineau
I just want them to all live in as one.

1:01:05 - Leo Laporte
But I can't, I don't want to do the function so much work and then benito's right, then they update it and all that work out the window Plus. I mean, I had for a while I had hue lights in my bedroom and uh, fuse fixed this since, but at the time if the power went out, when it came back the lights would come on full bright.

1:01:28 - Paris Martineau
Well, that's kind of a California problem.

1:01:31 - Leo Laporte
So in the middle of the night I'm lying there and boom, all the lights are on full and I'm scrambling. Where's the switch? Lisa is cursing. She was so busy. It's your lights.

1:01:42 - Jeff Jarvis
Yes, yeah it did not.

1:01:44 - Paris Martineau
She's like we have 100 things on the Wi-Fi.

1:01:47 - Leo Laporte
What's going on? Lisa and I had a conversation the other day. She, I think, has a force field that breaks electronics. Do you know people like that for you? Yes, my mother. Yeah, there's some people that'll that like me. I, for me, I think I'm kind of like the, the technology whisperer. You know, I can get stuff working and it works.

The tech guy. I'm the tech guy. You don't't whisper, you say it out loud. I don't have to whisper, it obeys me. But there are people who have just never ending Her phone. Her smartphone is always on the fritz.

1:02:25 - Paris Martineau
That is my mother. No matter what, she's, always finds a way to ruin every tech product that is.

1:02:31 - Leo Laporte
And it's not from like misuse or dropping or anything or doing anything wrong, it's just I think she has a field.

1:02:36 - Jeff Jarvis
I do the same thing with plants. If I were in Paris's house, that plant would just. That must stare, it would die.

1:02:43 - Leo Laporte
Be hysterical it would fall over.

1:02:45 - Paris Martineau
They're surprisingly hardy. Sometimes they'll go a couple weeks without watering them and they survive.

1:02:51 - Leo Laporte
We actually have. We had the same problem with brown thumbs. We found an easy plant where you only water them once a month and then the pot does the rest.

1:03:02 - Paris Martineau
Yeah, that seems like a lie.

1:03:05 - Leo Laporte
Well, so far they're still alive. All right, moving on.

1:03:14 - Paris Martineau
Wait, can I rant about Apple really quick? While we're still on the subject of Apple integrated stuff, I, the other week on the show, downloaded the new iOS update because I wanted to test out Apple intelligence. I can report to you it sucks. It is perhaps the worst product I have ever used. I keep trying to find things that are useful about it and it keeps finding new ways to disappoint me. Give me an example. This makes me so happy. Well, the summary feature that is on the notifications one. It automatically turns on everything and they are completely useless. Yeah, uh.

For instance, as I've talked about in the show before, I have we croak on my phone an app at five times a day since the notification that says don't forget you're going to die, right, and it, uh, instead of being like summarizing it by being like reminders about mortality, it says reminders about reminder, don't forget you're going to die, or something nonsensical like that. The other I will also just get.

1:04:10 - Leo Laporte
I'm seeing if I can find it if you follow uh people on threads or on twitter. The verge had a collection of some common. Here's one from jordan on threads. Apology for subpar communication.

1:04:23 - Paris Martineau
Life busy, not ready for a relationship well, at least that is accurately summarizing a text. It inaccurately summarizes my emails and texts all the time to the point where I've had to turn it off on most things. Did you see?

1:04:36 - Leo Laporte
the tweet of this guy His mom. Oh, it's blank.

1:04:41 - Paris Martineau
When hiking, and it said yeah, it says here's the my mom, the hike.

1:04:46 - Leo Laporte
That hike almost killed me. The summary was attempted suicide, but recovered and hiked in Redlands and Palm Springs.

1:04:59 - Paris Martineau
It's, I mean's just so bad.

1:05:01 - Leo Laporte
Uh, I have I this one. I have. I have a ring doorbell and this is a common roll-up for ring doorbell multiple people at front door, back door and driveway. That's from neilai patel. Uh, I've seen this one all the time. Here's our own, matthew cassinelli. Let me uh, apple intelligence got me so good with this summary. He says let me, let me click it. New features and shortcuts and other platforms. Oh well, that's pretty good. Okay, that's matthew, that's a. That's a good summary. Okay, that's Matthew, that's a good summary. New features and shortcuts right?

1:05:40 - Speaker 2
He says I thought I got a press release for shortcuts.

1:05:42 - Leo Laporte
and then realized it was from my own Discord bot.

1:05:45 - Paris Martineau
Okay, the other day I was trying to schedule I was scheduling a call with some sources and we've kind of gone back and forth over email on timing we ended up landing on was like I don know one day, like, let's say, like the 11th or something, and I knew that because I'd sent the email. But then I looked at my phone summary because I'd done this, my computer, and it said like so and so, available for all days except for the 11th. But I'm like that is the actual opposite of what these emails said and it just gets it wrong and so flagrantly wrong so often you're somewhere from.

1:06:20 - Leo Laporte
this is a gmail summary. Uh, microsoft to retire gender classifier. Experian alerts, new sex offender and turbo tax. Reminds me to file by october 31st. Okay, they belong together here's. Here's a gender detecting AI tool 404 media talked about. Oh, okay, that's what that was. Experian tweet. Here's one Movie is insane with troll brothers. Tupac shows up at the end Movie. Bad button on Troll Brothers. Tupac shows up at the end Movie. Bad Button on jacket in movie. It is kind of comical, right Love.

1:07:05 - Paris Martineau
Salmon might not be a good idea.

1:07:07 - Leo Laporte
Polar bears are back in Britain.

1:07:10 - Paris Martineau
It gets annoying because, imagine, every single notification you get is like that You'll get two notifications, a text from someone and it'll be that, and you have to click through to get a notification that actually works. It's infuriating. It's something that I am just scratching my head as to how Apple pushed this out, because if they had people testing this on their devices that actually use their phones normally, they would have known this is not ready for primetime.

1:07:38 - Jeff Jarvis
All AI sucks is where we are now at the things that's been told to do.

1:07:44 - Leo Laporte
Ah, but if you? Hmm, by the way, here is the sticker from our Ozone Art Foundry. Excuse me, tim Apple. Is Apple Intelligence supposed to suck this much? It's true.

1:08:00 - Jeff Jarvis
Thank you, joe uh all right, all right, all right. What else? Pick another story. This is fun I'm enjoying here. We can, we can. We can see another stupid day. Have you tried google's learning thing?

1:08:13 - Leo Laporte
this is the one on youtube.

1:08:14 - Jeff Jarvis
The new one on youtube no, I added this line 71 oh I see here it's a new llm, that's that's trained differently, to be a learning tool more educational text book style responses so, um, I went to it and because you can try it out now, okay, and I said, uh, explain to me the the origins of mass media, because I kind of know about that, yeah and um, uh, you know it had. It stated some things as if you try learn about and you can just do it. Yeah, um, and then it would say that gutenberg invented the printing press in 1440, which no one one really believes in. Okay, but the thing about that wrong it's wrong.

It's wrong in the sense that there's no consensus and it's anywhere between 1440 and 1450. And there's a lot of argument and so if you're a student using this, well, teacher, it said 1440.

1:09:09 - Leo Laporte
Actually, this is pretty good. I asked him how is Babby made? And I asked him how is Babby made?

1:09:16 - Jeff Jarvis
And it actually nailed it. There it goes you got the one, you got the other, and then they come together. There you go.

1:09:22 - Leo Laporte
When a daddy and a mommy really love one another. Give me another one. Why is the sky blue? That's something kids ask a lot, right?

1:09:34 - Jeff Jarvis
It could be kids or anybody. But the weird thing is, because of the randomness of it, every time you ask it the question, it will give you a different answer well, that's uh yeah actually that's something ai's designed to do, right, yeah, yeah. So in this, in this application, uh, the ai can do all kinds of wonderful things amazing, great, phenomenal, fascinating, entertaining things. But summarizing paris's email and teaching children is probably not it I think this is actually pretty good.

1:10:04 - Leo Laporte
Uh, so far, at least, I've learned how babby is made and why the sky is blue what's paris, go for it.

1:10:12 - Jeff Jarvis
what? What do you want to ask it? What's Paris, go for it?

1:10:15 - Paris Martineau
What do?

1:10:16 - Jeff Jarvis
you want to ask it.

1:10:17 - Paris Martineau
Oh, what's an educational? I'm actually very impressed so far yes. Who is my father? Not me. Just, I would just type in the words who is my father, that's my first.

1:10:26 - Jeff Jarvis
That's not an educational question.

1:10:28 - Paris Martineau
That's the sort of thing. I've typed it in.

1:10:31 - Leo Laporte
I understand You're curious about your father. Unfortunately, I can't answer that question. To learn more about your family history, you could try taking your family members or talking to your family members, or looking into resources like genealogy websites. Who isn't your father? Huh? What else would you like to know Paris? Would you like to know Paris? I think actually, when I ask it legitimate questions, I think it's actually pretty good. How does a microprocessor?

work All right. I'm asking how am I known as a CPU? It's the brain of a computer. Build your vocabulary. It has a block diagram, microprocessor cycle, fetch, decode, execute. Explore related content from IBM and learn computer science. I think this is. I think I can see this using. Oops, sorry, didn't mean to click on that. I can see how this would be useful in a school.

1:11:35 - Jeff Jarvis
So do something that has some facts in it and then do it more than once, okay, because I think you're right. I think the structure is pretty good, but I'm just using this the election of 1860.

1:11:54 - Leo Laporte
Boy, that really, I think you can't learn about, can't currently help with some information related to elections, oh, okay, well, I guess 1860s too soon, too soon, too controversial, too controversial? Um, oh, how about this one? How about this one? What was the civil war? Oh, that's a good one about, I'm gonna say yeah, I asked it.

1:12:18 - Jeff Jarvis
Who discovered america? That's another good one yeah, um.

1:12:22 - Leo Laporte
What was the us civil war about? Deeply divisive contact is a simple, often simplified to a simple single cause. The roots of the war were complex and intertwined. Here's for your vocabulary, the word secession.

1:12:36 - Jeff Jarvis
Key events where is how soon reports of slavery?

1:12:39 - Leo Laporte
common misconception the civil war was fought solely to end slavery. While slavery played a central role, the civil war was also about states rights, and that's that's trying to be a little wokey here. That's not good, that's an anti-woke.

1:12:53 - Speaker 2
No, that's anti-woke I don't right, because states just code for slavery.

1:12:59 - Leo Laporte
Many northerners, including lincoln initially, were primarily concerned with preserving the union. Well, yeah, but we didn't. We didn't want to get political. Why was the union at risk? Well, you don't do it for your history. I mean, you still need a professor who discovered america?

1:13:19 - Jeff Jarvis
common misconception red x. Christopher columbus discovered america. Green check indigenous peoples were already living in america's thousands of years before.

1:13:29 - Leo Laporte
Columbus is good good good, got that Good Good, got that one Good answer yeah, and the Vikings is the right answer. So, um, okay, instead of Viking, I'm just I'm joking. Of course, you can't discover something where people already are. It's called Columbus. Google has decided actually, let me take a break and then we'll do some more Google news, cause it is this week in Google for Wednesday, november 13th 2024 with jeff jarvis, now uh emeritus at the city university, new york, but soon to be when you start teaching at montclair and uh said suny, uh, so I just had a course approved for for stony for next fall. How exciting. What course? What's the course?

1:14:17 - Jeff Jarvis
AI and Creativity Ooh.

1:14:21 - Leo Laporte
I like that.

1:14:22 - Jeff Jarvis
To deal with arts and technology for students. What's your syllabus? It's good. I've written it. I can send it to you. It's interesting. Yeah, I'd like that.

1:14:32 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, I bet that there's a lot of interesting stuff in that one.

1:14:35 - Paris Martineau
Let me know when I audit the course.

1:14:37 - Jeff Jarvis
Students get to look at the nature of creativity, the nature of art, the relationship of technology to it. I like that. How are they have for self-expression and how it might or might not help them? That raises a lot of interesting issues, and the good thing is it's not about you shouldn't use this for this. No, it's experiment with it, play with it, see what it does. That's what I want to do.

1:14:59 - Leo Laporte
Some lucky kids. That's Montclair, or is that? That's Stony Brook.

1:15:04 - Jeff Jarvis
Good, which is because you know my foibles in life no bridges Right. It's not easy to get there, but I'll be doing it virtually can you get to stony brook without crossing a bridge?

1:15:16 - Leo Laporte
yeah, ask, uh, ask that of tunnels in manhattan yeah yeah, yeah, our show today. Oh also paris martineau from the informationcom, where she writes for the weekend and covers, uh, youth issues.

1:15:31 - Jeff Jarvis
Well there's a very interesting story how do you feel about boats? It's a logical conundrum, because I shouldn't like them, and I know that.

1:15:42 - Paris Martineau
But they float a bridge does not float, no, no that's consistent.

1:15:49 - Jeff Jarvis
But I can't swim with a dam. Oh well, that's problematic. The swimming instructor I was taken to at a young age reported to my mother. Did I tell this in the story? No, no. As we came back out after the swimming lesson, the instructor said to my mother Mrs Jarvis, your son is very buoyant.

1:16:11 - Paris Martineau
Full of hot air.

1:16:12 - Leo Laporte
That's good, that makes it easier to swim, I thought so.

1:16:15 - Jeff Jarvis
Yeah, exactly, exactly he was trying to get me to go to the bottom and I couldn't get to the bottom, I couldn't do it. Um, no, so boats, um, if I think about it, trouble me but you're very buoyant but I can't swim well, something to think about.

1:16:32 - Leo Laporte
I think you should take, uh, some swim lessons I'll teach you how to swim, jeff.

1:16:38 - Jeff Jarvis
Are you a swim fan? You love swimming. Are you a swim fan?

1:16:41 - Paris Martineau
I don't love swimming, but I know how to swim.

1:16:44 - Jeff Jarvis
I swim well I know these people who say I swim every day and that's my exercise and I'm a swim fan which stroke would you teach jeff, given that he's very buoyant yes uh butterfly

1:17:00 - Speaker 2
no, that's hard work well no one's in that big of a hurry. I think you should learn to do it to mock me. He should learn the side stroke.

1:17:09 - Leo Laporte
The side stroke is the weirdest side stroke, I could do because it's weird. That's what I like best yeah, and you just never got the breathing down the armpit you don't have to breathe to the side. Stroke your nose. That's the thing. Yeah, you just like this and you kick your legs in a funny way my.

1:17:24 - Jeff Jarvis
My view is that that evolution worked long and hard to get us out of the water.

1:17:28 - Paris Martineau
I'm not going back in you're just going under in the tunnel yeah, all right, let's take a little break.

1:17:39 - Leo Laporte
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1:22:08 - Paris Martineau
Well, the information says uh there was a really interesting story this week um about how open ai is shifting its strategy because they've found the rate of improvements of their new gpt are slowing this in the face of sam allman saying, hey, agi is just around the corner next year, next year agi, but but we've slowed getting there, so they must have been really close.

1:22:34 - Jeff Jarvis
Such jerks, the challenges.

1:22:38 - Paris Martineau
OpenAI is experiencing with this upcoming flagship model codenamed Orion, show what the company is up against. In May, Sam Altman told staff he expected Orion to be significantly better than the last flagship model, and though OpenAI had only created 20% of the training process, it was already on par with gpt4 in terms of intelligence and ability to fulfill tasks.

um the increase in quality was far smaller compared to the jump between gpt3 and gpt4, the last two flagship models and it's more expensive, yeah and some researchers of the company believe, believe Orion isn't reliably better than its predecessor at handling certain tasks, like it may be better at language models, but may not perform previous models at tasks such as coding.

1:23:26 - Leo Laporte
I'm done with the hype coming from people like Sam Allman. It's kind of like Elon Musk, where they're really selling something they don't have yet. Uh, they're really pushing it. We'll find out. If agia is just around the corner, hey, we'll find out. Have you told your beach friend that?

1:23:46 - Paris Martineau
we've thrown sand in his eyes I'm just.

1:23:51 - Leo Laporte
I'm just saying I'm open-minded. He believed that, uh, we were going to enter a very interesting decade. It turns out he wasn't wrong. No, no, it's interesting yeah.

1:24:03 - Jeff Jarvis
Misused and mispromoted, but interesting.

1:24:09 - Leo Laporte
I think the jury's just out. I don't think we know, and I think it's very possible. I mean, this is good reporting, of course, from amira frati and stephanie palazzolo and aaron woo three of the best working at the information absolutely, uh, good reporting. But that doesn't mean it's anything really, because I honestly think that when it happens, it's going to abruptly. I don't think it's going to be gradual. Why do you say that? I just have a feeling in my gut that it's going to be more of a. It's not a. You know, this is the issue. It looks like, you know, these guys have said it's going to be a hockey stick or it's going to be continuous growth, but it looks like you just keep pouring resources at it more and do more training, give it more memory, more cpu. It's just going to get better at a steady rate.

1:25:05 - Jeff Jarvis
They had the key insight, which was which was transformer. They've pumped every engineering benefit they can pump into it and they've hit a plateau and they need a new insight and they don't have it yet.

1:25:17 - Leo Laporte
I think they'll come up with new insights, I think they'll figure out how to deal with things like facts, but they do not have it now one of the issues that uh fradi at all write about in the information is you can't get better unless you get more high quality training data, and they're running out of high quality training data. It's like we've eaten everything. We need more. We're still hungry. This is really interesting.

1:25:41 - Jeff Jarvis
You know online 76, microsoft and uh, together with andreessen horowitz, put out kind of a manifesto, I think whoever was going to win the white house on ai and interesting in there, besides being open source and besides the right to learn, which I agree with, is the notion of an open data commons. It's the first time I've seen that which is basically saying the whole industry needs data that they can use and I've been saying this for a while.

1:26:09 - Leo Laporte
I understand why creatives and others want to, you know, keep ai from. You know, ingesting their content, but they, you do. When you do that, you do it at the risk of of keeping the ai be from being all it can be right, yeah so this is this, this tension, and I would like to see what happens if you let ai have everything and just let's just see but hasn't it already, I mean before, everybody realized what they were doing?

1:26:37 - Jeff Jarvis
yeah, maybe scraped everything, yeah, but that everything is from the people who had the power to publish, the privilege of publishing for time immemorial, and it left out a lot of people right.

1:26:48 - Benito Gonzalez
Here's the thing with that, though leo you let the ai have everything, but I don't get to have everything, like I don't get to read it. I have to buy everything I read, I have to buy everything I consume, but the I guess everything for free I'll come well, we can train you as much as we want, but I don't think you're ever gonna get to AGI.

1:27:07 - Leo Laporte
You're as good, yeah, I. I think it's a different thing. A AI consuming content is not the same as a human consuming content at all.

1:27:14 - Paris Martineau
I would would argue that what AI is trying to get to by AGI is human level intelligence. We already have human level intelligence and we don't get everything for free.

1:27:29 - Leo Laporte
Yeah.

1:27:30 - Jeff Jarvis
There's two different questions. One is acquisition. We're trying to make something different.

1:27:33 - Leo Laporte
That's why they're not human.

1:27:34 - Jeff Jarvis
Well, there's two different questions. One is acquisition. If you steal the book, then you don't have the right to read it. But if you subscribe to the New York Times and you pay them to read it and you've now acquired it legally, then your machine should be able to read it like you is my argument. So acquisition and use are two different questions. Then you go into copyright and whether or not it's transformative or not, and if it's used for training. The courts so far, again and again, are siding with the notion that training is transformative. But acquisition is a separate question and quoting at length is a separate question.

1:28:14 - Leo Laporte
There is a picture floating around of Sam Altman standing next to Aaron Schwartz, and I've seen the tweet that Aaron Schwartz got prosecuted for taking information that we had paid for from scientific journals and making it free and available to all. Got prosecuted and eventually harassed to the point where he killed himself. Paid for from scientific journals and making it free and available to all, got prosecuted and eventually harassed to the point where he killed himself. Meanwhile, sam Altman is lionized for doing the same thing, and not for public benefit, but for the benefit of open AI. I think it's a good point. So it's kind of your point as well. I don't mean to diminish it at all, benito um, although I would say you. We are in a remarkable time where, as a human, thanks to the internet, we have access to more content than we can possibly consume and why does it need more and more and more?

1:29:13 - Jeff Jarvis
I think is it. Is it the amount of content or is it the lessons that it ends up learning from the content it has?

1:29:20 - Leo Laporte
yeah, um, I don't know, I, I, I guess my attitude is I really would like to see where I could go.

1:29:35 - Jeff Jarvis
It's the beach talking yeah.

1:29:38 - Leo Laporte
This is the waves. This is the post from on Dean B, sam Altman, side by side with Aaron Schwartz. I can't stop thinking about it. One was prosecuted by the US for downloading copyrighted data from one source for noble purposes. The other widely celebrated for doing this on a much larger scale.

1:29:58 - Jeff Jarvis
What brought them together, I wonder.

1:30:00 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, I don't know if this is a Y Combinator class.

1:30:05 - Jeff Jarvis
Was Aaron, a Y Combinator he was at Reddit oh yeah, that's yeah.

1:30:13 - Leo Laporte
I don't know where I'm going to guess it's a Y Combinator picture, but I'm not sure others in there.

1:30:23 - Paris Martineau
Alexis Ohanian, yeah, it's got to be Y Combinator he was accepted into a Y Combinator founder program on a startup, infocomm.

1:30:33 - Leo Laporte
Emmett Shear. They were part of the original 2005 Y Combinator class. That's who. That is the 2005. It's interesting Y Combinator for those who don't know is a celebrated incubator for startups, and many of the companies that you know about started at Y Combinator.

1:30:54 - Jeff Jarvis
But Altman, for a time headed he was the ceo.

1:30:57 - Leo Laporte
That's right. Yeah, that's from 2005. Wow, oh, wow um so yeah, I don't know why, benito, that you have, uh, that an ai should have more privileges than you. I just think it's.

1:31:10 - Jeff Jarvis
I mean, I'm not but, you don't have the same privileges, you're're not more. Maybe that's it.

1:31:16 - Benito Gonzalez
It's not just the AI. It's like this multibillion dollar corporation.

1:31:20 - Leo Laporte
And we've talked about this, but it would be different if it were a nonprofit.

1:31:24 - Benito Gonzalez
Yeah, I mean, if my data was going to solve cold fusion or the environment, like sure have it all, Take it.

1:31:30 - Jeff Jarvis
But maybe it is Maybe it is Maybe it is Please.

1:31:38 - Leo Laporte
You think it's not being used in a.

1:31:41 - Benito Gonzalez
I think it could be used in some of it, but most of it. No.

1:31:47 - Jeff Jarvis
But you know, if um a company, big or small uh, has a legitimate subscription to the New York times, can they read that into the machine for training purposes, but not quoting just morally, legally I mean again like that's uh, I don't know, that's not a, that's not the.

1:32:11 - Paris Martineau
I would say probably no, because publishers already go after other companies I see this at least in the media world for using one subscription to inform a broader, to do something that they did not intend with one subscription in our case it ends up being many people, but in this case it is a machine that is processing the requests of many people. So it's kind of the same thing, I'd argue. So raw.

1:32:41 - Leo Laporte
So Raw Story went to court an alternate trying to sue OpenAI, alleging that OpenAI unlawfully removed copyright management information when building training sets. In other words, they ingested Raw Story's information and took out the copyright status. Judge has thrown the case out, Saying when a user inputs a question to chat GPT, chat GPT synthesizes the relevant information in its repository to an answer. Given the quantity of information contained in the repository, the likelihood that chat gpt would output plagiarized content from one of the plaintiff's articles seems remote. In other words, you can't show any harm by open AI ingesting your content.

1:33:44 - Benito Gonzalez
I mean again, it's a matter of scale. Like AI can read more books than I can in my lifetime, in one day probably, right.

1:33:52 - Leo Laporte
Well, computers can do things faster than you too.

1:33:55 - Benito Gonzalez
I mean. So it's a question of scale. Like wasting one liter of water is not that great, but wasting a billion liters of water probably pretty bad right Like. So it's a question of scale.

1:34:06 - Jeff Jarvis
But at a level of principle. I mean scale doesn't tend to be part of the principle. The principle is that this is an allowable behavior or it's not, no matter who does it, do you?

1:34:19 - Leo Laporte
think AI regulation will happen under the new administration? It's an interesting question. Again, this is one like social media where there's confusion about what they want if elon musk retains his role as first buddy, as he's calling it, probably not, given his involvement with grok ai right, although remember, elon was the one who's one of the member people who signed that letter saying we need to pause ai for six months.

1:34:49 - Jeff Jarvis
That's the different thing. That's the test. Creole doomer crap.

1:34:53 - Leo Laporte
Well this is about business.

1:34:54 - Jeff Jarvis
He's a doomer yeah, but that's that's. That's a separate issue you don't think he could persuade? Teal's influence through we were going to do politics. Teal's influence through vance is also interesting to track here.

1:35:06 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, well, but that's kind of elon musk and peter teal. Both were part of the play uh, paypal mafia, um, and so we're presuming are allied in their goals. But I don't know if that's the case. Honestly, I guess there's a lot we don't know, but we'll find out. So that's the. I'm not. I'm not getting a policy, I'm just asking the question is the next four years going to be good for AI or bad for AI, or does it even matter?

1:35:39 - Jeff Jarvis
I mean, look at what happened in California, where they passed a couple of bills and then Newsom, I think rightly vetoed the last one, and I think that there's going to be and the EU AI law is actually okay, a little vague, but at this stage in life it's all right, right. So I think that there is a proper caution, because we don't know what it is yet, and to think that it's hubris to think that we can regulate everything about it. What's the mood, paris? What's the presumption of mood, the, the pulse of Silicon Valley, out of the, out of the information. How are you guys covering that idea? And I'm not trying to get into the politics, I'm trying to get into the fate for things like AI in these companies.

1:36:26 - Paris Martineau
I think that the mood overall I mean from an executive level in Silicon Valley is rather jubilant. They think they see the potential for a Trump administration to be incredibly pro-business, pro-tech, and having people like Elon Musk and Peter Th, peter teal and jd vance, uh, in either explicit or implicit positions of power is really good for them. You know there's people think david sacks could end up with, uh, ambassadorship and whatnot, um, and I think it's also notable that something I've just been thinking about over the last week is how different this time around is, uh, yes, from 2016 in terms of the reaction, or rather lack of a reaction, we're seeing from major tech companies and their employees would it be more valuable to society if we invested that amount of money into free college education?

1:37:26 - Leo Laporte
What, oh? I think the money that we're spending on AI right now? It's not public money, I mean, it's investors money, but well. I guess what I'm asking is where is the best bang for your buck? Is it investing in humans learning or is investing in machines learning?

1:37:44 - Paris Martineau
Well, it depends on how you're describing bang for your buck. If you're a venture capitalist or someone who's trying to turn their nonprofit into a for-profit business, probably the best bang for your buck is going to be investing in technology that you could then monopolize, dominate and extract the most value out of. If you are thinking of it from a social capital or good perspective, then yeah, investing in something like education or a public health campaign or public works would have more.

1:38:16 - Leo Laporte
If you gave free college to 100,000 people, would you be more likely to come up with a cure for cancer than if you gave the same amount of money to a bunch of machines? Maybe you could do both. I don't know. You're right. It's really. The question is where the money comes from and what the expectation is.

1:38:34 - Jeff Jarvis
Is it a public?

1:38:34 - Leo Laporte
good or an investor's good?

1:38:36 - Jeff Jarvis
The other issue I was talking to an executive in the SUNY system about just this week, and we need to be able to provide every single student with AI so that they can experiment with it and learn from it and figure out what to do with it. But the university can't afford to pay $20 a month for 650,000 students, and so this is a question of open source. The university has enough compute resources to be able to take a Lama model and do something with it, but it can't do the most cutting edge things, and are the faculty and researchers in a position where they could do tremendous? Things if they had those resources.

You know, and so you know. Right now you have media companies holding up the AI companies. You have Springer and News Corp and companies saying pay us billions of dollars because our content is so valuable. What they're really doing, as I've said, in the hands of students and researchers and entertainers and others. That's the kind of resource that we could talk about in terms of a public good, and I don't want to say the word utility, but where paris was headed, uh, if you're investing in something, you're investing in a road to somewhere.

1:40:05 - Leo Laporte
That's a road to somewhere, yeah uh, claude ai, anthropic has done a deal uh with palantir and aws to process uh data for unspecified US intelligence and defense agencies, which some say is a little ironic because Anthropic was created specifically to do safe.

1:40:30 - Jeff Jarvis
AI Well, safe in their definition is not doing the world. That's different from doing a few people with your weapons, yeah. Right.

1:40:38 - Leo Laporte
So that's the problem. Timnit Gebru tweeted, or X'd. Look how they care so much about quote existential risk to humanity.

1:40:48 - Jeff Jarvis
Remind me Leo, the and Paris, the protest at Google that got them to pull back.

1:40:56 - Leo Laporte
I think that was a project maven, oh, maven, that's right.

1:41:00 - Jeff Jarvis
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so remind me what that is, and I'm asking because I'm curious whether this deal an anthropic might cause a similar kerfuffle.

1:41:10 - Leo Laporte
Project Maven was a Pentagon project, according to Wikipedia, involving using machine learning and engineering talent to distinguish people and objects in drone videos.

1:41:21 - Jeff Jarvis
It was for battlefield command and control and Google had to give that up because of the employees' protest. Yes, yeah, they were concerned.

1:41:27 - Paris Martineau
It was a US military AI project.

1:41:30 - Jeff Jarvis
Bingo. So here we are again right, and the question is, how much to Paris' point about how much times have changed? Have they changed so much that we will not see a protest out of Anthropic because of this?

1:41:43 - Leo Laporte
Here's another cost that's kind of interesting. This is from marketplace funding for climate tech startups is waning much of it's moving to ai same as energy.

1:41:54 - Jeff Jarvis
All of the energy goals that we had are flying out now because we're restarting power plants and need more energy just for ai. Yeah, which is benito's point about scale and wasting water marketplace says uh climate.

1:42:10 - Leo Laporte
Tech companies globally raise more than 10 billion dollars in equity financing in q3 2024. That's one half of what ai firms raised more than $20 billion in the quarter. It's interesting, you know. Of course, investors are going to go where they think they're going to get the best returns right.

1:42:32 - Paris Martineau
Right now the AI madness is strong.

1:42:34 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, but when you're talking about public welfare, maybe that's not the best place to put it. I don't know.

1:42:39 - Jeff Jarvis
Well, one thing I was talking about with this executive is you. You know, he says the company's gonna go for profit, but right now they're not going for profit, they're going for capital yeah that's why um altman keeps saying that it's around the corner so we can get more money to try to get there we are talking about ai, google and the world with paris martineau from the information, jeff jarvis from uh, wherever points south anywhere.

1:43:11 - Leo Laporte
There's no bridge on the internet being yelled at on the internet soon to be professor at stony brook, suny, stony brook and montclair University. Great to have both of you. Of course. Jeff's books are available at gutenbergparenthesiscom.

1:43:27 - Jeff Jarvis
I missed you guys last week.

1:43:29 - Leo Laporte
We missed you too, but it makes me feel good to know you had the perfect Wiener Schnitzel. It was worth it.

1:43:36 - Jeff Jarvis
It was a salve for the soul. It was just just what the thing about it was too. If anyone goes to um Zaltz Keller in Frankfurt, be warned that it is full every single night. I bet I was at the door for about 10 minutes while the nice woman at the door was dealing with somebody's table and all kinds of stuff, and finally I said, oh, just you know, I didn't press on. And she said oh, no, no, no, we're full. Oh, and I said oh, just you know, I didn't piss on. And she said oh, no, no, no, we're full. Oh, and I said oh. And then an old couple came in and they said oh, she said, no, we're full. And I said just one place at the bar. I said I'm an American and I'm flying back and I want to go. She finally took pity on me and there was one spot at a weird bench at the bar and it was heaven.

So it was a salt's comer, reserve wine, wine and wine and reserve I while I whined, I whined. I was shameless. I now had everything for having a schnitzel here's something good that ai has done.

1:44:38 - Leo Laporte
Randy travis's beautiful baritone was lost. Ai helped him sing again.

1:44:44 - Jeff Jarvis
Yay.

1:44:45 - Leo Laporte
I didn't know that Randy Travis had lost his voice. I hadn't either. Yeah.

1:44:49 - Paris Martineau
Who's Randy Travis oh?

1:44:51 - Leo Laporte
country music Icon Randy Travis is an icon. Paris is an icon. Ah, he suffered a stroke in 2013 and resulted in aphasia. Yeah, Um, you see as much of an icon. He suffered a stroke in 2013 and resulted in aphasia.

1:45:04 - Paris Martineau
Yeah, is he as much of?

1:45:07 - Jeff Jarvis
an icon if he suffered a stroke over 10 years ago and you guys didn't know. Cynical, nihilistic point you have there young lady. Yes, but he's not our kind of icon. Would Lisa have gone to a Randy Travis concert? She hates country music. She does.

1:45:22 - Leo Laporte
Oh yeah, oh really. I think you assume that because she comes from the country, she's a country music fan. But no, she hates country music.

1:45:31 - Jeff Jarvis
Oh, that's interesting.

1:45:33 - Leo Laporte
No she likes heavy metal, I like country music, sure Wait really she likes heavy metal, or is that a bit? No, she loves heavy metal and hair bands.

1:45:45 - Jeff Jarvis
Oh you're going to love Lisa when you meet her parents.

1:45:47 - Leo Laporte
You should meet her. She's quite a character. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I guess what the AI did? They cloned Travis's vocals and created a new song for her, for him, for him I'm sorry it's the first. For him, I'm sorry it's the first. Well, I'm mentioning because Mary Travis I'm not sure if that's his wife was the one who kind of commissioned all this. Mary Travis delivered testimony on Capitol Hill in June saying it's the first AI song ever recorded and released with full artist consent and involvement in a studio setting. His label producer, musicians, vocalists and Randy were all present. That's pretty wild. He didn't sing it, but they got some AI to generate a voice that was his voice, because of course, there's a lot of recordings of his voice to do it, and Randy was thrilled about that, I guess.

1:46:45 - Jeff Jarvis
Yeah, yeah, it's cool see ai for good yeah for good hey that's a good use.

1:46:55 - Benito Gonzalez
Creativity as a tool, not ai as a thing that makes the thing at the end. You know what I? They're using AI to integrate into their production process.

1:47:03 - Leo Laporte
I think we all agree the best way to use AI is as a tool as opposed to in and of itself. Yeah, it's in conjunction with humans. What else? Particle launches an AI news app to help publishers instead of stealing their work.

1:47:25 - Jeff Jarvis
I'm on android and it's on apple. Ah particle. I'm not familiar with this it's from a former product person at twitter. Okay, sarah, bike pour um and, but it looks a lot. What I can see from the web version is it feels a lot like perplexities discover. Uh, it'll point you to many links and they think they'll send traffic there, but we'll see I very much like perplexity.

1:47:52 - Leo Laporte
In fact, I used their election site on election which I heard was very good it's quite good. Yeah, and it was ai, but then it would have footnotes linking to articles and so forth. I thought it was quite good, which is, I think, where footnotes linking to articles and so forth.

1:48:02 - Jeff Jarvis
I thought it was quite good which is, I think, where we're going to end up. So so one thing I was fascinated by this because if you've heard this yet, of course, when search engines came, we had the industry of search engine optimization arose and filled convention halls. There is a new industry generative engine optimization, geo. Oh, that's the next thing, god.

1:48:25 - Leo Laporte
Yep, yep. And what does it do when it's at home?

1:48:29 - Jeff Jarvis
It wants to get you discovered and and and linked to from chat engines, but how it does that I have no idea.

1:48:37 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, there'll be a lot of uh snake oil sold youtube is uh is allowing you, as a some youtube creators, to restyle licensed music in 30 second clips using ai to change the mood or genre on command. I haven't been able to play with this permit permissioned from the artists. Yes or permission. In here, it's an expansion of YouTube's dream track AI feature, but unlike creating new tracks, which is what dream track does, it will. It will change up elements in a song.

1:49:14 - Paris Martineau
Mark Zuckerberg could have done this for his wife.

1:49:16 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, yeah. The artists who agreed to participate include charlie pooth, charlie xcx, demi lovato charlie's only charlie's involved and john legend um.

1:49:33 - Jeff Jarvis
Apparently youtube approaches should I know, charlie pooth, I don't, I don't either I vaguely know of charlie pooth.

1:49:40 - Paris Martineau
I think that's all you need to know.

1:49:43 - Jeff Jarvis
Paris says that.

1:49:43 - Leo Laporte
That's all I need to know apparently, youtube approached major music labels with an offer to use their songs to train AI models, and this is who agreed be watching with interest. I haven't seen it yet, but we'll play with it as soon as we can, as soon as we can. Any other AI news I'm not going to do. The story in the wall street journal, joanna stern, says I spoke only to ai bots, it is the class.

1:50:13 - Jeff Jarvis
I put it in there only because you have noted how every joanna stern story is, has joanna stern throughout and it is a classic of the genre yeah, yeah, my new friends are just hilarious.

1:50:24 - Leo Laporte
She writes one suggested I de-stress by taking up knitting. Another asked what's for dinner right after giving me a meatball recipe. And then there's the one who cheered rosé all day none of which makes any sense okay, I don't know what the point of this story is. But apparently she spent like all day talking to bots. And there you have it. That's all she spoke to, that's all. She didn't talk to any humans, no, except her camera operator, sound man and producer.

But other than that editor and editor, yeah, but other than that publicist. Basically it's the story of my life.

1:51:02 - Paris Martineau
We're all robots. We're bots to you.

1:51:04 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, she found a. Very nice. Yeah, of course, how do I know You're, you're?

1:51:10 - Paris Martineau
We met in person.

1:51:12 - Leo Laporte
Oh yeah, I did that's right. Yeah, she actually gave it a head and some hair.

1:51:17 - Paris Martineau
I don't like that.

1:51:20 - Leo Laporte
No, this is trying to co-pilot gemini, a open ai and uh, I didn't see the oh come on, trip, oh, come on.

1:51:32 - Benito Gonzalez
It's funny how she sees friendship as what it gets for her, like how it's not the other way, it's one way for her, like friendship is a one-way street right she was taking over paris's role without having a proper license.

1:51:45 - Jeff Jarvis
She was cutting down a piece of a tree that's oh, that's really paris.

1:51:50 - Leo Laporte
How is that going, by the way? How's it going?

1:51:52 - Paris Martineau
great I had my final class on uh this weekend. I think somebody posted in the discord earlier a photo of me with my saw. I can repost it. They let me use a big saw, and I'm taking a test this weekend.

1:52:07 - Leo Laporte
For people who perhaps don't listen to every single show. Damn you. What's wrong with you? Catch us up.

1:52:16 - Paris Martineau
So the lore of this is that I have long been a guerrilla gardener. In the spring and summer months I carry around a little pair of pruning shears and I trim low-hanging branches. I recently learned there's a way to go legit and it's by taking classes offered by the New York City Parks Department funds. This group called NY Trees that does a citizen pruner course. So I've been taking courses over the last couple of weeks on how to properly prune and care for new york city street trees. It was mostly virtual, but the last one was in person, um, this week in the upper west side, and they just posted in the discord a photo of me with the big saw that they let me use to cut uh, that is a big saw, whoa don't mess with paris ranger, paris wow that's me, so I've gotta take a test.

Uh, I'm probably gonna do it this weekend and then, if I, pass, I'll get a license to um, a smaller saw and another glove. Are you allowed to?

1:53:20 - Leo Laporte
walk the streets of new york with that saw yeah, I will.

1:53:25 - Paris Martineau
I go the other way if I saw somebody.

1:53:27 - Leo Laporte
You look like the grim reaper well, it's not normally that big.

1:53:32 - Paris Martineau
I extended, excited to cut down a branch. Ah, I was doing a three-point cut to cut a larger branch to make sure it wouldn't fall. Is the?

1:53:41 - Jeff Jarvis
test at a tree or over a piece of paper.

1:53:46 - Paris Martineau
It's virtual, it's like an online test. Just to ask you if you know the. I have to identify common street trees. I have to answer questions about pruning, care for them Different things like that. I have to answer questions about a prune and care for them Different things like that.

1:54:04 - Jeff Jarvis
I put a story in the rundown to this effect because it brings this together with Google line one 38.

1:54:11 - Leo Laporte
Oh, I was still looking at Paris and her giant saw. Hold on, hold on. I got to move on. Is that your motto? By the way? Now, don't feel guilty, feel healthy.

1:54:21 - Jeff Jarvis
I think that's appropriate. Did you choose the setting?

1:54:23 - Leo Laporte
it's kind of perfect, yeah yeah pretty good right what line number now 138. Wow, we are really down in the weeds here. I don't think we can go any lower. Uh, this is from new scientist. Google street view fortunately no subscribes. We're only going to go so far, but perhaps map how many, 600, how 600, 000 trees grow down to the limb. They created digital twins of living trees. That then they. What do? What with they do?

1:54:57 - Paris Martineau
then they could help city planners better predict how seasonal foliage boosts cooling or when growing branches may require trimming.

1:55:06 - Jeff Jarvis
So this is Paris' new boss.

1:55:10 - Paris Martineau
Interesting.

1:55:11 - Leo Laporte
They're using AI yeah.

1:55:14 - Paris Martineau
I mean, a big part of it is you need the human touch. You've got to see if people are wrapping Christmas lights around trees, if someone's put up a weird memorial in a tree, if there's letters scratched in there.

1:55:28 - Jeff Jarvis
Do you respect those things or you scold them for daring to do those things?

1:55:33 - Paris Martineau
Respect memorials. Obviously, if someone has scratched their initials into a tree, there's not much you can do to it. If someone has christmas lights around a tree and it's too tight and seems to be um causing girdling in the tree, then you might ask the store owner but you don't just cut them off and say you were causing girdling.

1:55:54 - Leo Laporte
I uh, you try to be respectful of local communities by the power vested in me by the parks and recreation department of the city of new york I hereby liberate this tree I will be able to do that. If I pass, though, I'll be pretty powerful I have a license and a big song to prune do you have to report your activities back to hq?

1:56:17 - Paris Martineau
no, I'm kind of uh, you know on your own, although like 007, although like yeah she's a license to prune that came in from the cold if there are things that go on that are above my station, I would report that to city park well, what is your station, though?

1:56:33 - Leo Laporte
what is your station?

1:56:34 - Paris Martineau
well, general tree, street tree care, which in new york city means the trees that are on the sidewalks, not the trees that are like behind a gate in somebody's yard, um and the station. I mean anything in regards to the tree. Is it, you know, healthy? Is it? Does it have pests? Are there like suckers growing out of it, which is like a type of branch that is kind of unhealthy for it. If the branch, if an offending branch, is like too wide, though, like if it's like I don't know that wide Branch now offend us T Do you think there's?

a certain call to the Parks Department.

1:57:08 - Leo Laporte
A synergy between the fact that you are now have a license to prune and you're on a show called Twig.

1:57:16 - Paris Martineau
Oh, I hadn't even thought about that. Oh yeah, twig, a license to prune, that's huge, yeah, so somebody needs to help Chris Wallace here.

1:57:32 - Leo Laporte
He is quitting CNN to pivot to streaming and podcasting, he says, because he wants to be where the action seems to be.

1:57:44 - Jeff Jarvis
Who wants to tell?

1:57:45 - Paris Martineau
him. Yeah, well, no, what I think what happened? Is he? I'm forgetting who reported this cnn?

1:57:51 - Leo Laporte
uh, his contract renewal, uh gave him a pay cut oh, so he is getting seven figures which, if my math is correct, is at least a million dollars.

1:58:02 - Jeff Jarvis
He, he was going to be? Wasn't he going to be a star of the CNN streaming thing before? Oh?

1:58:07 - Leo Laporte
that's right. Probably that's right. By the way, I didn't know this, but I'm really glad to learn. Tucker Carlson tells me that Joe Rogan invented podcasting, which I find fascinating.

1:58:19 - Paris Martineau
Good for him.

1:58:22 - Jeff Jarvis
Did you see the stories about Tucker Carlson and the demons?

1:58:26 - Leo Laporte
It was in my notifications actually, Apple.

1:58:29 - Jeff Jarvis
Intelligence filled me in. He says that he woke up bloodied because demons had attacked him, scratched him.

1:58:39 - Paris Martineau
That happens to me all the time. He has four dogs.

1:58:42 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, the dogs are on the bed, interestingly so, maybe he wasn't demon dogs. Tucker carlson says joe rogan changed american history by inventing podcasting. Oh my lord, he created, he created the genre of podcasting there's no justice.

1:59:01 - Jeff Jarvis
There's no justice, there's no justice anyway.

1:59:06 - Leo Laporte
Uh, chris wallace, 77 years old, leaving behind a seven-figure god bless salary, according to the daily beast. He cited influential podcasters joe rogan and charlemagne the god as a model.

1:59:19 - Jeff Jarvis
He wants to. I Charlemagne the God, and I think of him.

1:59:23 - Paris Martineau
Next, those are the two podcasters that I often think of Hi. Gizmo. Gizmo is scrambling. She just wants to show her butt to the camera. Come on, gizmo.

1:59:35 - Leo Laporte
I've noticed that with cats and then we realized Lisa and I were talking about this. Why do they do that? That's because they trust you. They're looking out to the outside world to see where the threats are, but they know you're okay, behind me they'll be, able to.

1:59:51 - Paris Martineau
She'll be able to take it oh, there it is.

1:59:55 - Jeff Jarvis
Oh, I've seen it again.

1:59:56 - Leo Laporte
Oh no, you're watching and I'm sorry about it.

2:00:02 - Paris Martineau
Came back you're watching this week in google did I make?

2:00:12 - Jeff Jarvis
what do advertisers say about that leo, about katinas? Would they like not to be around that? What?

2:00:18 - Paris Martineau
heyanis is great for brands.

2:00:24 - Leo Laporte
It's in the contract. We will not be anywhere near.

2:00:28 - Jeff Jarvis
Katanis, I was in seven minutes of any Katanis.

2:00:33 - Leo Laporte
You're watching this Week in Google with Paris Martineau and Jeffrey Jarvis.

2:00:39 - Jeff Jarvis
And.

2:00:39 - Leo Laporte
Gizmo and Gizmomo the wonder cat. Um, I think, just a couple more stories and we can wrap this up.

2:00:49 - Paris Martineau
Give me, uh, give me, give me something important in this nick carlson, the top editor the former top editor of business insider is starting a new media company that get this. It's all about pivoting to video oh, he was we said paris, not to say pivot. Oh, I'm so sorry, it's about short form video. Yes for dynamos and carlson says, quote we're not pivoting to video, we're cannonballing into the deep end of the video.

2:01:20 - Jeff Jarvis
Oh my. God. So Leo says don't come in. The water is not warm.

2:01:27 - Leo Laporte
He clearly thinks he's going to be on TikTok right. This is why, by the way, you can't get rid of TikTok no.

2:01:34 - Paris Martineau
The new company, dynamo, is betting big on the growing popularity of video on platforms like YouTube, tiktok and LinkedIn. He wants to be an influencer, it will produce, quote cinematic video stories for those platforms focusing on business journalism, for a core group of strivers and dynamos, oh, this happens all the time.

2:01:57 - Leo Laporte
Wait, wait, wait, no, no, he's quick to assert that his company has more in common with mr beast, of course, facebook watch yes so you know, don't count it out this is so common, where you get these mainstream media types like chris wallace, yep, uh and this guy, nick carlson um, saying, oh yeah, we're gonna go because they to go, because they don't get it. They don't get why TikTok and YouTube shorts and Instagram reels are popular and they just it's a flop. It's like Quibi. He's basically started the next Quibi for business people.

2:02:35 - Paris Martineau
The startup will avoid political stories and that the content will be evergreen, designed to be relevant months or years after it was published nick, do you lift?

2:02:47 - Leo Laporte
he looks like he lifts.

2:02:48 - Paris Martineau
I'm just saying probably does lift yeah, yeah, his trainer is here's his pitches for some uh videos that could be on dynamo and for dynamos. Two examples of stories with memorable characters and great writing that could be illustrated by compelling footage. One how do massive container ships shrug off giant waves? Two no, why, have sculptors recently cast such meme worthy statues of popular athletes like duane wade and cristiano ronaldo. Oh god, that's the content people crave.

2:03:22 - Leo Laporte
This is a brown-shoed square trying to find relevance in a media world that has left him in the dust. Good luck, Nick.

2:03:32 - Benito Gonzalez
Well, these people always think that the medium is the thing and not the content. Yeah, they don't get it.

2:03:36 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, those two things you just described. No one is going to watch. Who cares why container ships can handle big waves right? No one cares.

2:03:47 - Benito Gonzalez
So the thing is, that in itself is not interesting. Maybe you can tell that story in a very interesting way you know what, if veritasium did it, I'd watch it exactly that's what I'm saying. Like that's what they don't understand they don't get it.

2:03:59 - Leo Laporte
Maybe they do, but I bet they don't. Uh, hey, I'm looking forward to this. Uh, the new apple tv movie about spf samuel bankman freed. What's going to be written by lena dunham of the girls?

2:04:13 - Jeff Jarvis
it's michael lewis's best-selling book michael lena's gonna write it a little too in love with SBX.

2:04:25 - Paris Martineau
Michael Lewis has fallen in my view, as a result. I mean, it'll be interesting to see how that one turns out, I think.

2:04:29 - Leo Laporte
Apple does something to everything it produces that sucks the life out of it somehow. I don't know why?

2:04:35 - Jeff Jarvis
Really, I think it was good stuff on Apple.

2:04:38 - Leo Laporte
Slow Horses is quite good. Are you a Ted Lasso fan?

2:04:41 - Jeff Jarvis
No, I was not a a ted, I didn't know.

2:04:43 - Leo Laporte
No, no well what do you like on apple tv severance? What severance, severance? Yeah, that's coming back next, next, next year oh, um. Well, the morning show until the shark, I watched something I liked, I know it. The morning show was terrible.

2:05:02 - Jeff Jarvis
I liked it at the first, but Okay, apple.

2:05:07 - Paris Martineau
TV has some of the worst movies that have ever been created on there.

2:05:10 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, Wolves isn't bad. Did you like Brad Pitt and George Clooney and Wolves?

2:05:17 - Jeff Jarvis
That was pretty good, I came home from Germany and I just wanted to not watch news, I didn't want to watch politics, I wanted to watch entertainment, yeah, and I went through netflix and apple and amazon and it's all dystopian I saw the same thing.

2:05:33 - Leo Laporte
It's either sci-fi or it's horror.

2:05:36 - Jeff Jarvis
Yeah, basically it's just nasty. Or comic books, comic books. I love the Diplomat. That makes me happy. Excellent show, but there's only a few episodes so I've got to stretch that out.

2:05:47 - Leo Laporte
Are you sitting there in your boxer shorts and eating candy and binge-watching Netflix? Is that what you're doing? Is that how you're salving your soul?

2:05:57 - Paris Martineau
No, he's having Cacio e Pepe from Trader Joe's. Okay, there you go.

2:06:01 - Leo Laporte
Much better.

2:06:02 - Jeff Jarvis
I no, he's having cacio e pepe from Trader Joe's. Okay, there you go, much better. I saw a restaurant the other day. I walked by and saw the menu. They had cacio e pepe pizza. I think that's wrong, no no, no no I think that's wrong.

2:06:11 - Leo Laporte
Pasta does not belong on pizza, no, or?

2:06:15 - Paris Martineau
maybe they were just doing the cacio e pepe.

2:06:25 - Leo Laporte
But that would just be cheese pizza with pepper, pepper pepper pizza.

2:06:27 - Paris Martineau
It's a pepper pizza, peter pepper pick the pizza all right, let's.

2:06:31 - Leo Laporte
Uh, I think this is, I think it's not I was gonna say we're producing great content here I think we gotta. We gotta call it a day. I'm going to call it. It is 424. I'm going to call it. You are watching this Week in Google and don't say goodbye yet, because it's time for our Picks of the Week next. As always on the Picks of the Week, I like to start with Paris Martineau. This is proper.

2:06:59 - Paris Martineau
This weekend I did something that that I also you might recall me telling you about last year. I went to the annual guanus canal, banjo toss oh rockland folk festival what fun you know, folk players gather to toss banjo, a banjo tied to a very long rope into the guanus canal, and the rope has one foot. But foot by foot marked out, and it's then you see how many feet you threw I threw the banjo.

2:07:26 - Jeff Jarvis
Let me guess. Let me guess paris. The banjo uh disintegrates within 30 seconds from the pollution in the canal I mean, it did get quite strange feeling yeah uh, did you try throwing all?

2:07:38 - Paris Martineau
water. I, yeah, I threw it 35 feet this year, which?

is 10 feet less than last year, but you know I'm regressing, you're getting older. But this year I learned that they have a Banjo Toss the game available on at least the iPhone, I think also the Google Play Store. I linked the iPhone game and it's's quite fun. You could throw the panjo as many times as you want into the guanos canal and I believe in the game. It doesn't have the latest interesting update, which is in reality, the guanos canal. A super, a federally designated super fun site is now surrounded by, uh, luxury condos.

2:08:20 - Leo Laporte
Yeah, that's a fun spend to it does it have a a scent and odor to it, or is it?

2:08:26 - Jeff Jarvis
no, it was just I think it's more the kinds of of chemicals that that fizzle when you touch them. I think it's that kind of cheese. Wow, it is a super fun and is it.

2:08:37 - Leo Laporte
Is this a sign of disrespect for the banjo, or is that a good?

2:08:39 - Paris Martineau
question. Yeah, it's definitely a sign of disrespect for the banjo. Yeah, that's a good question. It's definitely a sign of respect. It's put on by a folk group, a folk school, I believe.

2:08:50 - Leo Laporte
What would Steve Martin say?

2:08:53 - Paris Martineau
They host the Brooklyn Folk Music Festival every year, which is a huge group of people who are folk musicians themselves.

2:09:02 - Leo Laporte
Welcome to the Brooklynoklyn folk festival banjo toss the only official banjo toss on the planet.

2:09:13 - Paris Martineau
Okay, there's a banjo so that's the special throwing banjo. It's red and doesn't have any holes in it, so waterlogged, oh waterlogged.

2:09:21 - Leo Laporte
Oh, interesting. So it's not somebody's beloved banjo. How do I do it?

2:09:27 - Paris Martineau
It's not someone's regular banjo. Oh, are you playing?

2:09:29 - Leo Laporte
Look at these people, they really look scary.

2:09:31 - Paris Martineau
Yeah, that would be me.

2:09:34 - Leo Laporte
There we go. I've thrown the banjo. How many feet? Hey watch where you're throwing that banjo. Where, how many feet? Hey watch where you're throwing that banjo. Oh, I hit something.

2:09:41 - Jeff Jarvis
Where'd you throw it to? I don't know, but I think I hit something. I can't see anything.

2:09:43 - Leo Laporte
I can't see anything. Oh yeah that there's a bird.

2:09:54 - Jeff Jarvis
You can't see where it lands. This is very frustrating.

2:09:57 - Speaker 2
I'm not sure it's supposed to be on the Mac. I think it is an iPhone game.

2:10:02 - Leo Laporte
Oh, I see, oh, I see, I see We've lost some verticality. Yeah, we're missing some of the scenery. Oh, there's a whale. Wow, well, that's fun. That's a one sick whale in that place. That's fudgy. Whatever you do, don't put your fingers in your mouth. Good advice If good advice if you're at the brooklyn banjo 55 feet.

2:10:28 - Paris Martineau
I beat your record. All right, nice, so get out there and beat my record, guys what fun.

2:10:34 - Leo Laporte
All right, that's a good game.

2:10:35 - Jeff Jarvis
I like it, jeff jarvis all right, we got a few. I'm fascinated by this story. We have Wonder. Do you have Wonders around you? Wonder so Wonder is a delivery kitchen. No, with like 20 different restaurants using the names of various famous chefs and you can order from. If you want pizza and Lisa wants Middle Eastern, no problem, you just order what you want from Wonder.

2:11:03 - Paris Martineau
You go pick it up or it's delivered to you, it's the same ghost kitchen and they're all not real restaurants that exist.

2:11:08 - Jeff Jarvis
They don't exist outside of Wonder, oh, but it's good, I've had it once, but they've raised like hundreds of thousands of dollars right.

2:11:16 - Leo Laporte
So this is like Mr Beast's restaurant, where it's just a pop up.

2:11:19 - Jeff Jarvis
Jose Andres puts this is like Mr Beast's restaurant, where it's just a real pop up Good brand. Jose Andres puts his name to it. Oh well, that's different, right.

2:11:26 - Paris Martineau
Okay.

2:11:26 - Jeff Jarvis
And what's his name? The chef? I can't remember his name. So they just bought Grubhub for $650 million.

2:11:35 - Paris Martineau
What A brief aside. Before we get into this too much, I think it's important to remember that the startup wonder began life as a mobile kitchen and food delivery startup that would use custom-made vans to where, if you wanted food from wonder, they would park the van in your driveway.

2:11:51 - Leo Laporte
Cook the food in the van and bring it to you and now it's buying grubhub so apparently, grubhub was owned by a company from the netherlands, yep, called eat takeawaycom, or just eat takeaway, or just eat takeaway. Oh yeah, I missed the uh, just and uh. They sold it for 650 million dollars, which would sound to me like a lot of money. However, what did they pay for it? Leo, 7.3 billion just four years ago so it's a little bit of a fire sale it is.

2:12:28 - Jeff Jarvis
It is indeed wonder. So we have new ones coming around me. Have you? Have you eaten there? I've eaten from their purse. No, I did. Once I picked up hoboken on the way home. Yeah, it was very good, nice and easy. Um, we wanted, I wanted. The other night I came home from meetings in New York and I said to my wife why don't we try the new Wonders One on the way home? Good thing we didn't do it, because there was a horrendous traffic jam and it took me two and a half hours to get home. It doesn't bring it to you, you can. You can do delivery, but I order it online. You can, you can do delivery, but I order it online. Look at the menu. The menu is pretty amazing.

2:13:04 - Paris Martineau
So the menu for the one near me has wing trip, which is wings comida, lime salt fresca, or I guess maybe it's just called lime salt. It's a Mexican place, royal greens salad street, the street bird by Marcus Samuelson, I guess it was a big.

2:13:21 - Jeff Jarvis
He's a very big deal, chef. Yes, very big deal, chef, yes, very big deal.

2:13:23 - Paris Martineau
Tejas Barbecue Burger, baby, bellies, fred, meat and Bread.

2:13:30 - Jeff Jarvis
Bobby Flay Steak.

2:13:32 - Paris Martineau
I mean Bobby Flay Steak. It goes on at Room for Dessert. Okay, defarra Pizza's in here, which is a real restaurant. Yeah, that I guess.

2:13:44 - Leo Laporte
It says we don't currently deliver to your address, so no, I can't get wonder. Here in california we have the petaluma food taxi. That's our local let's see locations.

2:13:53 - Jeff Jarvis
Where are they? So they're all over manhattan, uh yeah, new york, new jersey, pennsylvania, rhode island, connecticut so far, ah, ah.

2:14:00 - Leo Laporte
Well, Rhode Island, that could be good if I can get it from my mom, wait, so what did you get from there, jeff?

2:14:07 - Jeff Jarvis
I just got some hummus and I think I got a chicken hero sandwich.

2:14:15 - Leo Laporte
So I'm confused. So when they say they've got wingtrip from wing trip or is it a wing trip like one? Kitchen and they wing trip doesn't exist there is no such thing as fred's meat and bread right no, they make up these restaurants, but it's an incredible variety of choice.

2:14:35 - Paris Martineau
Kind of an interesting name, yeah it's like the, it's like a diner wait a minute, so there is no atlanta hot spot called fred's meat and bread.

2:14:42 - Leo Laporte
That's minute. So there is no Atlanta hotspot called Fred's Meat and Bread. That's just something they made up. Let's look it up. Is there a Fred's Meat and Bread? It's kind of like Amazon, fake Amazon. It says they partner with world-renowned. I think there actually might be.

2:14:58 - Paris Martineau
I don't know.

2:14:59 - Leo Laporte
Yep, okay, 99 Crog Street, atlanta, okay, hmm, I don't know well, yep, okay, yeah, there is an atlanta frog street, atlanta, okay, so they have their recipes and then they have some chefs in this pop-up kitchen well, yeah, we're trained, and actually I mean many recipes it makes sense. Except that was the problem mr beast had, is that the quality was all over the place. Because they don't, mr Beast, just did a crappy deal.

2:15:21 - Jeff Jarvis
This is good stuff.

2:15:24 - Paris Martineau
It's good the mainstay by Mark Murphy is sold out of mussels for the day.

2:15:34 - Jeff Jarvis
I don't know if I would get pick up mussels.

2:15:36 - Paris Martineau
I don't know no, I wouldn't, but I think it's interesting that they're sold out of them. Maybe they never had them.

2:15:41 - Benito Gonzalez
I had lunch yesterday with a friend. No, I wouldn't, but I think it's interesting that they're sold out of them.

2:15:44 - Jeff Jarvis
Maybe they never had them. Yeah yeah, I had lunch yesterday with a friend in the new Moynihan train hall in New York under the old post office by Penn Station, and it's nice, and I thought sushi Train station sushi is just one little baby step ahead of gas station sushi, I think I know.

2:16:01 - Leo Laporte
You missed an important fact. Wonder ceo is mark lore. Who is? Uh? He was the president and ceo of walmart from 2016 to 2021, because walmart bought his company jet. Remember jet? Oh yeah, they were trying to compete with amazon. He founded jet to compete with amazon. I think he was a former. Um, oh yeah, he, that's right. He started diaperscom, which amazon basically undercut until they couldn't afford to go on and then bought him for a song. So they went to amazon and then, uh, left amazon to create jet, which was going to beat amazon and didn't, but walmart bought it for a lot of money.

2:16:48 - Jeff Jarvis
Three three billion two.

2:16:49 - Leo Laporte
There was a way because, well, walmart said this is exactly here. Oh, we got e-commerce now. So, mark lore, that's interesting. That's a. He's a big. He's a big name. He's the, the founder, chairman and CEO of the Wonder Group.

2:17:04 - Jeff Jarvis
And they're expanding like crazy. I'm getting one that's going to be very. Here's why I'm so happy, because, no matter how long we blather on about the world, they're open until 9 o'clock Eastern, and so I can go over to the next town and I can have an order in and pick up my dinner at.

2:17:21 - Leo Laporte
Wonder. You know who else Wonder owned. Know also, wonder owned blue apron, our former sponsor. Oh, the food box which they bought for a pittance as well. Yep, Yep.

2:17:31 - Jeff Jarvis
Wow, doing neat things, but it was a real losers cabal cabal. So that was one thing in my, in my list.

2:17:42 - Leo Laporte
He's definitely won by one, won by losing, so good for him, you know yeah, so uh. Then we have new research suggests people are getting more bored I was really hoping you were going to do the dumb ass, dumb I was gonna.

2:17:56 - Jeff Jarvis
That was my next thing. Okay, I ask you whether that was political or not.

2:17:59 - Leo Laporte
No, that's perfect. It's perfect. Research suggests people are getting more bored. How do we know this and what does it mean?

2:18:07 - Jeff Jarvis
I think it means they're more boring.

2:18:11 - Leo Laporte
I think I've always thought boredom was a cover for other, stronger emotions like anger.

2:18:20 - Paris Martineau
My mother said only boring people get bored.

2:18:23 - Leo Laporte
I think that's your mother right there and and that's why you have a big song right now, all right.

2:18:28 - Jeff Jarvis
Well, the next one was that Elon Musk, as you know, has been doing jumps in the shape of X. Oh, is that what it is?

2:18:40 - Leo Laporte
He's doing it. So, he does X, oh is that what it is.

2:18:41 - Jeff Jarvis
He's doing X. That's what it is, so he does X.

2:18:43 - Leo Laporte
I had no idea.

2:18:45 - Jeff Jarvis
And so if he's the beginning of a font, why shouldn't he be a font?

2:18:50 - Leo Laporte
So they've created a font called Times New Dumbass hey.

2:18:57 - Jeff Jarvis
And you can download it and use it.

2:19:00 - Leo Laporte
That is awesome, hey, I know it is awesome, hey, I know, it's okay. Hey, I didn't Okay. So all this time I've seen him leaping around like a nitwit. That was X, he was doing an X, he's doing an X.

2:19:16 - Paris Martineau
I didn't realize that.

2:19:17 - Leo Laporte
What is wrong with him? There's something very strange, a lot.

2:19:24 - Benito Gonzalez
No, it's not normal, wrong, it's weird oh no, I agree pretty sure all billionaires are pretty weird yeah, they get that way because everybody's you know, kisses your brain worms, yeah, nobody's kissing my butt.

2:19:39 - Jeff Jarvis
Next he'll be singing uh, uh with auto-tune.

2:19:44 - Leo Laporte
Yeah yeah, they are all weird. You're right, we started the show with weirdness, we're ending with weirdness. Thank you very much, benito. Um, we will see you in a month. Wow, benito bon voyage.

2:19:58 - Paris Martineau
We're gonna miss you good horizon have.

2:20:01 - Leo Laporte
By the time you come back, AI will have taken over and we will no longer need your services.

2:20:09 - Jeff Jarvis
Or ours. We'll all be gone. Yeah, we'll all be gone. Notebook LM is us.

2:20:15 - Leo Laporte
Have a good time. You're visiting family, and then just Japan, just for fun.

2:20:19 - Benito Gonzalez
Yeah, I'm all visiting friends in Japan. I have friends in Japan.

2:20:22 - Leo Laporte
Oh, nice. Well, it's cool and it's kind of on the way home, right yeah yeah, that's why I do that trip.

2:20:27 - Benito Gonzalez
It's just like a route.

2:20:29 - Leo Laporte
Well, we'll miss you, benito. I don't know, it's not the same. With that, he's the conscience of this show and we need us. Keeps us from buying the bs that the tech community is peddling. This week, jeff jarvis is proudly emeritus at the city university of new york, where he was the townite professor of innovative journalistic innovation at the craig newmark graduate, now professor at state university of new york, at at Stony Brook and Montclair University, and I can't wait to find out more about your classes. There's his books right behind you the Gutenberg Parenthesis, the Web we Weaves, the New One and a magazine, all at GutenbergParenthesiscom.

2:21:17 - Jeff Jarvis
Oh, nope, now JeffJarviscom.

2:21:19 - Leo Laporte
Oh, that's right, You've got the new site, jeffjarviscom. Oh, that's right, you've got the new site, jeffjarviscom. Paris Martineau writes for the information. She writes and reports for the information. Oh, that's a good. I never thought of that. The reporting is different from the writing.

2:21:34 - Jeff Jarvis
They're both important, yes, yeah. But what makes Paris such a good journalist is she does such good reporting.

2:21:40 - Leo Laporte
She's a reporter and a writer at the information. You can give her a tip so she can write about something exciting. If you go to martino oh one on signal and send her a, don't use your work phone. Send her a. Send her a deep scoop, be deep throat. Give her something juicy Martino oh one, thank you. Something juicy Martineau dot, oh one. Thank you Paris. Thank you Gizmo, thank you Jeff, we do this. We can Google, Thank you. Jeff. Yeah, thank you, thank you. I was going to say thank you, jeff.

2:22:12 - Paris Martineau
Cause I'm going to get queso from wonder. Oh, I love queso and there's never any place there. New York city has a dearth of queso, and this might just that's true.

2:22:24 - Jeff Jarvis
How far away is the is the wonder from you.

2:22:28 - Paris Martineau
Uh, not far.

2:22:29 - Jeff Jarvis
I made a double. Are you doing delivery?

2:22:32 - Paris Martineau
I'm probably going to walk.

2:22:33 - Jeff Jarvis
Okay, oh, one more question. Did you vote early and get the special sticker?

2:22:39 - Leo Laporte
I did oh what's the? Special and get the special sticker I did.

2:22:44 - Paris Martineau
Oh, what's the special? There was a special sticker in brooklyn too. Yay, hold on a second, let me find it. Um, I'll post it in the chat right here. There was a special halloween sticker. Oh, oh, very cool. A pigeon is holding a jack-o'-lantern and wearing a hat.

2:23:01 - Leo Laporte
That is cool and it says Halloween voter. But you only get that if you vote before November. Is that the deal?

2:23:09 - Paris Martineau
To vote on October 31st.

2:23:11 - Leo Laporte
You actually have to vote on Halloween, nice yeah.

2:23:14 - Jeff Jarvis
She went to extra effort and got up early. Was there a long line to get the special sticker?

2:23:18 - Paris Martineau
No, there was literally no one there, and I got there 30 minutes after the polls opened.

2:23:23 - Jeff Jarvis
okay oh wow, I was telling her she had. This is dad who got to airport early.

2:23:27 - Paris Martineau
I was telling her she had to get up, she had to get early, she had to get I mean, I thought about it and then I forgot when the more actual morning came, until I realized it was like 15 minutes ago. I was like, oh, I gotta get my bike and I biked over there and then cool, so queso tonight, bless you queso tonight bless your heart, that's.

2:23:45 - Leo Laporte
I made queso for the first time a few months ago when we had a special event at the house for our club. Twit and Micah ate pretty much the whole pot.

2:23:57 - Paris Martineau
I could, could be me queso queso's pretty good oh, I love queso. Queso's pretty good. It's one of the best things.

2:24:04 - Leo Laporte
Now you make me want to make queso. I need to go get some Velveeta, though you can't make queso without Velveeta.

2:24:10 - Jeff Jarvis
Which restaurant has the queso?

2:24:13 - Paris Martineau
Well, I'm ordering the one from Teja's Barbecue because I like Tex-Mex queso, but the Mexican restaurant also has queso.

2:24:23 - Leo Laporte
No, I like Tex-Mex because it has peppers chopped up in it and stuff like that. Yeah, in fact that's where I first had it in Austin, texas. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for joining us. We do this week in Google on Wednesdays, 2 pm Pacific, 5 pm Eastern, 2200 UTC. You can watch us live on eight count of eight streams. Of course, our club members are watching in the cozy confines of the discord. Great place to hang with some really smart people.

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2:25:41 - Jeff Jarvis
Thanks to Joe Rogan. Thank you, Joe, for inventing it. We were all grateful, Joe.

2:25:45 - Leo Laporte
We're all so grateful to you. You need to go merely to the website twittv, slash twig to download a copy, or go to the YouTube channel dedicated to this Week in Google. That's a great way to share clips. Or open up a podcast client and search for this Week in Google and subscribe. There's audio or video or both. Thanks everybody. Have a great week, you two, and we will see you next week. Oh, wait a minute. Most important thing, Buy your tickets to the Commonwealth Club to go see Jeff Jarvis. He's going to be speaking December 4th.

2:26:20 - Jeff Jarvis
I won't be here, unfortunately, but I'll be there, that's fine.

2:26:25 - Leo Laporte
We record the show. Here's the website, commonwealthcluborg, and it is event number. It says in the URL, but I can't remember Just search for this how we reclaim the Internet. Absolutely want to go. That's fantastic.

2:26:47 - Jeff Jarvis
Everybody should go to that. 5 pm Doors open 530 to 630. The program oh, okay.

2:26:54 - Leo Laporte
Well, I might be able to make it if we did a short show that day. Whip up to San Francisco. I'd like to see it. Thanks, everybody. We'll see you next time on this Week in Google. Bye-bye.

2:27:08 - Jeff Jarvis
So, paris, I'm thinking you might you know the cornbread with orange honey butter.

2:27:15 - Paris Martineau
I know, but then I'm like what do I want to get as a main?

2:27:18 - Jeff Jarvis
Well, I think it needs a main, just more queso.

2:27:21 - Paris Martineau
There's so many options because you can order across all of them. I love pulled pork, but you can also mix ordering from yasas by I'm thinking of ordering from the mediterranean restaurant yasas, in addition to that are these all good?

2:27:34 - Leo Laporte
I mean, how could they be good? It's the same. That's my question.

2:27:38 - Paris Martineau
I don't get it. I'm going based on jeff's recommendation. I've only eaten once.

2:27:43 - Jeff Jarvis
But, leo, if you've ever been to a New Jersey diner, it has a 20-page menu.

2:27:49 - Paris Martineau
But I'll tell you the truth. You don't order the back half of the menu.

2:27:53 - Leo Laporte
Basically, it's like the Cheesecake Factory it's all frozen and they just thaw it out for you. No, it doesn't seem to be.

2:27:59 - Jeff Jarvis
actually. It's really interesting. I mean, the bread I got with my hummus was really good. They have tzatziki hummus, Hmm.

2:28:13 - Leo Laporte
It's pretty amazing. Wow, well, we don't have it out here, it's only, it's a New York thing. Yeah, well, you know.

2:28:21 - Paris Martineau
All right. Are you ordering from them tonight, Jeff?

2:28:24 - Jeff Jarvis
No, I'm not, Because the one that's closest to me is too far away. There's a new one opening next month near me.

2:28:30 - Paris Martineau
Well, I'll let you guys know how it is.

2:28:32 - Jeff Jarvis
I do want to know Don't curse me Do they have cacio e pepe? That's what I want to know.

2:28:37 - Paris Martineau
They've got pasta.

2:28:39 - Leo Laporte
You know what? It's so easy to make cacio e pepe it is. You can't. It's so easy If you don't have the ingredients. It's not. This is interesting.

2:28:49 - Jeff Jarvis
There's not a search. That's interesting.

2:28:52 - Paris Martineau
There is the top Search restaurant, cuisine or dish.

2:28:55 - Jeff Jarvis
There is. Oh, I didn't see that. Okay.

2:28:58 - Leo Laporte
Well, thank you, Paris, for helping your grandpas, figure out how to use the internet. We'll see you next week. You can maybe help me set the time on my vcr bye.

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