This Week in Google 711, Transcript
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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
It's time for TWiG This Week in Google. I'm Jason Howell filling in for Leo Laporte. We got Ant Pruitt, Jeff Jarvis, and birthday girl, Stacy Higginbotham, and we got a lot of news to talk about. This week's episode was full democracy. I basically turned it over to all of Jeff's recommendations in the doc. We have Google and it's lagging support for some of the older third party smart devices and smart displays. That's going away. What does that mean? Also we have pricing for the NFL Sunday ticket on YouTubeTV. And let me just tell you, it's pretty pricey. What if ChatGPT created the next choose your own adventure for your kids? How would you feel about that? We dive into that a little bit. And then finally, Substack unveiled its notes service kind of a competitor. Also ran to Twitter. How do we feel about that? You're gonna find out next on TWiG
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It's time for TWiG This Week in Google Sans Leo this week. I guess it was as well last week. Micah was filling in for Leo last time cuz I was away on vacation. Now obviously I'm back. Jason Howell filling in for Leo and I always have a really great time when I get to sit in this chair and talk a little bit about Google, a little bit about everything else that we talk about on This Week in Google. So it's really great to be here and I'm excited cuz we've got the full panel starting with you, Stacey. And by the way, Stacey Higginbotham happy birthday
Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:34):
Woo! Thank you. Yay.
Jason Howell (00:02:36):
Celebrate. Yeah. Oh, you
Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:39):
Can sort of see my little my little birthday streamer up there.
Jason Howell (00:02:45):
Oh, that's so festive. That's awesome.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:49):
Yes. It's, it's super
Jason Howell (00:02:50):
Festive. Well, I hope you've forgot 45 Excellent. Plans to celebrate tonight. So we will get you out in time. I guarantee it. The show is not gonna last three hours. Don't worry. We got you covered. But happy birthday. That's awesome. Thanks for being here on your birthday especially. Also if you wanna celebrate with anyone else, <laugh>, except Josh, maybe your family and da da da da, family and friends. Sure. Yes. There we go. Also joining us, Jeff Jarvis. What's happening? Jeff, it's good to see you. Much good to see you back from your vacation. Looked like it was wonderful in, in jungles and water and it was fantastic. Went to Costa Rica for two and a half weeks, a return to Costa Rica cuz I was there 20 years ago with my wife for honeymoon Uhhuh. Oh. So this was kind of like going back, seeing how things have changed, bringing our kids with us, hopefully instilling in them a sense of adventure and curiosity about the world.
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And I think we accomplished it. We covered the, I mean, so much of the country. We drove all over the place and had many adventures, so it was awesome. Really great time back. Yeah, thank you. I mean, I knew that it was, I knew that we were there the right amount of time because the last couple of days we were all in agreement. We were like, this has been the best trip of the world, but I'm ready to go home. You know what I mean? <Laugh>, we definitely, we hit that point, so it was time to return to normalcy, so it's good to be back. But anyways, it's great to see you, sir. Also great to see Ant Pruitt hands on photography and all things club twit. It's good to see you, man. Yes
Ant Pruitt (00:04:27):
Sir.
Jason Howell (00:04:28):
You too. You too. And thank
Ant Pruitt (00:04:30):
You. Tell you the whole Oh my pleasure. The, the, the, the whole vacation thing, I struggle with it for years. I'm the kind of guy that a three day weekend is, is pretty good for me. Yeah. and then you start going into four or five days, I get a little antsy and like, I'm, I should be doing something
Jeff Jarvis (00:04:50):
Ant gets antsy?
Ant Pruitt (00:04:51):
And so I'm like I struggle with it. So I, I've learned over the years to, you know, I'll take a week off and, you know, been on a cruise and stuff like that and just try to totally unplug. But usually by about day five I'm like, okay, try to unplug. Just, just let go
Jason Howell (00:05:11):
<Laugh>. Just keep disconnected. I mean that's, that's what I've noticed in, in myself in taking vacation is, and especially going someplace like Costa Rica or going to Hawaii or whatever. Yeah. If it's like a five day vacation or a week, like it takes me five days to get to the point to where I'm not thinking about my normal everyday life anymore. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> that my days are just entirely like, wake up, oh, what do you wanna do to it? Go to the beach or whatever. You know, like it takes me a little bit of that time to kind of get beyond, get outside of the, the regular stressors in life and get into vacation mode. So I, you know, I almost, I appreciate having the ability to take two and a half weeks, which not, you know, it realizes it is definitely a privilege that I have to be able to do that. Right. And get to that point to where I can just kind of let go and then stop thinking about all of those stressors. You know,
Ant Pruitt (00:06:07):
Bro, on our last cruise around day four or so, I saw something wrong with the doorknob, like on the, the sliding door or something, and it drove me nuts. And I'm digging through my bags trying to find a Phillips screwdriver and just, just, I,
Jeff Jarvis (00:06:23):
I, who wouldn't even think of carrying a Phillips screwdriver? <Laugh>? What is wrong with you? I normally, I'd have one. Stacy, you have a Phillips and what, what do you, what do you do? Start carrying a apart the apartment? I,
Ant Pruitt (00:06:34):
It, it, it was like, I need to be doing something. And I was like, oh, that door doesn't seem right. Let me see if I can fix that. I'm, and then I caught myself and
Jason Howell (00:06:43):
There's my
Ant Pruitt (00:06:43):
Task. Let go. You know, <laugh>
Jason Howell (00:06:47):
Pretty
Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:47):
Screwdriver is a universal, like, you know, there are loose like doorknobs, there's loose like things on cabinet. I mean
Jeff Jarvis (00:06:55):
Screwdrivers, you are both obsessed.
Ant Pruitt (00:06:58):
I'm weird. I'm not obsessed. I'm just weird.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:00):
Yeah. It's just, you want things. If you can fix it in like with a screwdriver, that's like the least amount of effort.
Ant Pruitt (00:07:07):
Yeah. Just
Jeff Jarvis (00:07:08):
<Laugh>, <laugh>.
Jason Howell (00:07:10):
Especially if you happen to have a screwdriver on you, that's, that makes it a lot easier. <Laugh>, I, I will encounter things, I need screwdriver, but I'm never carrying a screwdriver. So it requires more
Jeff Jarvis (00:07:20):
Effort. <Laugh>? No, no, no, no.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:22):
Oh. I think you should have a, you should have both a Phillips and a flathead screwdriver in, on every floor of your house or possibly each room.
Jason Howell (00:07:31):
Okay.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:32):
You know, just,
Jeff Jarvis (00:07:33):
I have a nice little, Ikea tool kit. Yes, I have that. Yeah. Do you have Not in my suitcase.
Ant Pruitt (00:07:39):
Well, now I know what I'm getting you for your suitcase in your
Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:42):
Next Yeah. You need a travel sewing kit and a travel tool
Jeff Jarvis (00:07:45):
Kit. You do carry on or do you do checked?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:48):
I do both. Both.
Jeff Jarvis (00:07:50):
Oh, both. Oh. Oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:52):
Sorry. Well, it depends on where I'm at. No, no, no. I do carry on 90% of my trips. But if I'm going someplace like a two and a half week trip to Costa Rica, actually that you could do carry on. Cuz
Ant Pruitt (00:08:02):
You I'm doing both.
Jeff Jarvis (00:08:03):
They do suits.
Ant Pruitt (00:08:04):
Yeah, I'm doing both. Even if it's just for a couple days because heck, my shoes doesn't fit in my bag. Oh.
Jeff Jarvis (00:08:10):
You know, or you amateurs.
Ant Pruitt (00:08:11):
Yeah. No, look, I wear a size frigging 14. It takes up a lot of space in a carry-on with clothes and it's, it's just easier to, to just check a bag.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:20):
I can bring a pair, two pairs of shoes and a travel yoga mat and outfits for five days as a woman.
Ant Pruitt (00:08:26):
That's impressive.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:28):
In a carry on
Jason Howell (00:08:29):
Wait minute, a travel yoga mat. I don't understand, I don't think Those aren't those things like always these big rollup things or is it much thinner? Mat
Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:37):
Foldable. It's a thinner mat that's foldable. It's okay. I mean it's, it's not like, it's still a weird plasticy thing. It's not cloth. Okay. Google <laugh>.
Ant Pruitt (00:08:47):
Yeah. Oh yeah, we last week, Mr. Mr. Sargent, we talked about Google right out the gate. Guess we should
Jason Howell (00:08:54):
Do the same. That's that's what, that's what Mikah told me. He was like, yeah, we talked a lot about Google last week. So I think I already have a title for this episode. I think we should call it Full Throttle Democracy because <laugh>, I opened up the doc to start putting in links and I look down there and Jeff, I think I'm assuming it's you Jeff, cuz you are usually very active in, in throwing links into the dock through to Leo's consternation. <Laugh>. I mean, it's a different section of the dock. You know, if, if Leo wants to not look at it, he doesn't have to, I suppose. But I opened up the dock and I looked at it and I was kinda looking through the stories and I was like, you know, I've been gone two and a half weeks and I, as we talked about, I've been very disconnected from tech news.
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And so I'm sure you can all understand and sympathize with this. The beauty is I disconnected and I didn't think at all about technology. The horror is I then came back to work and had to know about all the things that's happened in the last two and a half weeks so that I could hit the ground running again and I'm not quite there. So when I opened the dock and saw that you had put in, I mean, it seemed pretty darn thorough to me. So I was like, you know what? This week is all democracy, <laugh> all democracy, <laugh> nothing but Jeff's stories. And Stacey, if you put some stories in there and Ant, if you put some stories in there, great. It's all a democracy you around and Yeah. <Laugh>. Yeah. So I figured we'd kind of turn this show up on its, you know, upside down and see what happens.
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So as a result, like I'm looking through here and I mean, you know, there's some Google, there's a lot of other things and there's a change log. I did do the change log, so we've got that in our pockets. A change log. It's a respectable change log. No, I think there's actually some pretty great stuff in there. So Ivo, even even when Stacey took three stories out of it for an at-home thing, it's still a good change. It's still solid. I know, right? It was like a jampacked change log, change log. It'll be, it'll be champion and now it's a full change log. <Laugh>. Yes. All right, so let's about these things. Yeah. All right, so let's do it. And actually, you know, Stacy, why don't we, because I don't feel like we need to lead the story with Chrome Shipping web gpu. Let's lead the, the, the show with this trifecta of stories about Google's what would you call it?
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Flailing interest in smart third party smart displays in its assistant devices, in its security devices. What exactly is going on here? And I guess this, this good starting point is this story that nine to five Google had spotted a Google support article for duo calls of all things. And in this support article, there was a little note that said, important, Google no longer provides software updates for these third party smart displays. Lenovo Smart Display seven eight and 10 inch J B L link view LG x boom, AI think Q wk nine smart display. They Google says this could impact the quality of video calls and meetings. So just kind of throws that out there. Oh, by the way, these third party smart displays aren't gonna work anymore. So it turns out the, the support and I mean, these are five year old devices, so it's not like they're brand spanking new.
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But I think this, this along with kind of, you know, Google's upcoming announcement that we know we're gonna hear about this year about the Pixel tablet. And we know that the Pixel tablet's gonna have this kind of crossover thing going with with these smart displays in the tablet. Last night on all about Android, Michelle Ramon was kind of talking about how, you know, this might signal Google's new interest in these things. How it's no longer about keeping this open for third parties. How it's really about Google kind of controlling, you know, with their own tablet ecosystem and how that interplays That's smart. My
Jeff Jarvis (00:12:44):
Advice right there, that's dead.
Jason Howell (00:12:45):
Is it? So how do you feel about that, Jeff?
Jeff Jarvis (00:12:49):
I Google kills everything, which doesn't make me happy. Wawa, and, you know, and, and so we can't, can't trust them. But it's also fascinating me that in the last few weeks we've been talking about how the audio devices have cooties that nobody wants anymore. Now the, now the video devices have cooties. So this whole, I can't wait to hear Stacy's take here. Yeah. Because this whole, and I know I'm delayed it by talking, but what the hell? It's just like watching Morning Joe, where he has a long question <laugh> Point and Mike Bartle says something stupid. So, so I'm, I'm, I'm amazed that whole line that was gonna take over our homes, we're all gonna have it in every room. We're gonna use it. The entire idea seems to be dying before us. Stacy.
Jason Howell (00:13:28):
Stacy, what do you, okay,
Jeff Jarvis (00:13:30):
Do you think? Thank
Jason Howell (00:13:30):
You. All right, so well wind you up and go <laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (00:13:34):
<Laugh>.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:37):
When, when you brought up the Pixel tablet, I was like, where are you going with this man? Google also did a couple other things. And so big picture, my take on this because I live in this world is what the heck is Google doing within the smart home? Yeah. What is Google's smart home strategy? So it's talking about not doing software support for these devices. To be clear, everyone, they still work. I have two of the Lenovos, I have the eight inch and the 10 inch, and both of them are still working. My eight inch actually just got, or it just told me about some new features. So I, I thought it got some sort of update like in the last two weeks, but I could be wrong. But also last week Google said they were going to stop supporting the drop cam devices. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> that admittedly last sold in like 2014 <laugh>. So they're like, yeah, those devices, they're even,
Jason Howell (00:14:29):
We're done. They're, yeah,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:30):
They're 10 years old. But they also said they would stop with Nest Secure which was their, their smart home. I dunno why I'm dragging a little mess secure box here for y'all. But this was their smart home security system with the little keypad that you could punch things in and worked with the cameras and all that was last sold in 2020 was the last time they sold that. And they're like, yeah, that's done too. And so there's a lot of moving parts that Google is kind of investing in and disinvesting in on the smart home side. And I think with the three years ago, Google did a deal with a d t and they were gonna sell, they were gonna package some of their hardware up with a D t and a d t would sell professional monitoring plus the di professional, a d t monitoring plus di IY Google stuff and a d t people were gonna install Google stuff into a d t customers homes.
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This was a great deal for Google. It got their more devices and more places. Yay. and they made the investment in a d t without actually having to get, they would get some upside from the smart home security play without having to build the stuff. So I thought that was pretty smart and it seems to be going well for them. So deprecating those devices and then a secure system makes a lot of sense. This other display issue is a little bit different. One, these are old devices. Two, if you've been paying attention to the Sonos Google legal issues. Sonos actually said they weren't putting Google onto the Sonos speakers because Google made it harder for third party display makers or third party Google Home devices to work. So it sounds like Google's kind of been getting out of that third party market for a while and this might just be the end of that.
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But again, these devices still work. We do see Google pitching like this Apple kind of esque, like we're gonna own the hardware, right? We're gonna own the devices and sometimes our devices are not as good as Apples, aka Pixel buds, but they got better. I'm really interested to see what they do with Fitbit because of this because they just also today announced that now if you have a Fitbit account, you can also migrate that over to the Google Fit, which I don't know why you would do that yet. Yeah. Why would you do that? You have to eventually, right? Eventually in 2025 I will do that, but by 2025 I will have chosen my new fitness tracker probably. Cuz I have very little faith in Google's wear Os Good lord. Anyway, okay, so back to Google in the smart home, the good news, the only piece of good news is with Google Home, which by the way, software service on your phone they added new device category or they added more granular controls for appliances as a device category. So now you can go into your thermostat or your fan, not your thermostat, I'm sorry, your your fan or some of your shutters and blinds and garage doors. And you can now instead of just like state, like on off or open close, you can now like gradually like slider bar it. So it could be halfway open. Halfway
Jason Howell (00:17:53):
Open. Hmm.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:54):
Depending on if you're an optimist or a pessimist. <Laugh>. So they're still investing <laugh> on the services side, but I see them getting out of third party devices and you know, I that's, that was a lot. That's an
Jeff Jarvis (00:18:10):
Lenovo says that Smart display 10 inch will be available soon. The small one is out, the smart display seven is out of stock. You say they're old, but then again some people have bought them fairly recently, haven't they? Couldn't they?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:28):
I don't think you could buy the Lenova. I mean I see what you mean. I bought mine in like 2018, but
Jason Howell (00:18:34):
Yeah, going to the Lenovo site for the Lenovo Smart Display 10 inch, it says available soon, but yeah, I, I don't know. Yeah. I dunno what that actually means. And what they don't or is that just <laugh>? Just the, the image they put there when they're out of stock and then some, you know, some days soon that'll be updated to no longer available or something redefined. Yeah. Soon. Right.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:55):
<Laugh>. Now they didn't say what would happen with the clocks. I don't know if anyone has these, but there are a few Lenovo Android clocks and I, I don't know what happens there. I am a little sad though cuz I do use the Lenovo 10 inch that's in my kitchen to Duo call my mom. It's how I actually got my mom to download Duo. So the loss of this could be a crushing blow to my family communications.
Jason Howell (00:19:19):
Hmm. If they stop working, which like you said, haven't they still
Stacey Higginbotham (00:19:23):
Work? I've tried yet. Yeah. I haven't tried Duo on that thing. I guess I could try to call my mom, but she would be pretty upset if I did up a show.
Jeff Jarvis (00:19:31):
Well, I'd like that.
Ant Pruitt (00:19:32):
When's the last time you Oh,
Jeff Jarvis (00:19:33):
She said happy birthday to you yet
Ant Pruitt (00:19:34):
You will.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:19:35):
Yes, she has. When was the last time I used Duo? Probably like a month or two ago. We don't talk visually very often. God, getting my mom on the phone visually is just difficult.
Ant Pruitt (00:19:46):
Well that was going be my, my point of all of it is, well, first Google wants all the control. It, it just makes sense to me that they want everything under their own umbrella and not necessarily have to worry about third parties and so forth. That just makes sense to me. And then secondly, it, it's I don't know how much longer one could trust them considering Google's history with killing things off and then hearing stuff like that last You used Duo a month ago <laugh> on this Google product. It, why, why? Well,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:20:21):
But I, okay. I haven't used Google Duo, but I talk to that thing every day. Uhhuh <affirmative>. It's acting as a photo frame right now. We Okay. Look at YouTube on it. Like, okay, I looked up something on YouTube using it just two nights ago. So I mean, I'm not using two. Oh. But I do use that. But
Ant Pruitt (00:20:42):
You do actively use it. Okay. Because I always wondered how many people actively
Jeff Jarvis (00:20:46):
Use those device, those devices other than ridiculous clock def. Yeah. Other than it just being a clock sitting there. You know, I, I feel it's, it's not, I mean it's not as bad as Google Glass in terms of making me feel like a schmuck <laugh>, but it's kind of ridiculous. <Laugh>
Jason Howell (00:21:02):
Ooh, glass is good at that. Good at doing
Jeff Jarvis (00:21:05):
<Laugh>.
Jason Howell (00:21:06):
That part. I mean
Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:07):
We use it every day. I mean we even use the display as a mechanism for turning our lights. Like this is me shading my lights higher or lower. Yeah.
Jason Howell (00:21:16):
Yeah, like a touch in face for your smart home controls. Yeah. Okay. But Stacey,
Jeff Jarvis (00:21:19):
You really useful thing. Don't take this the wrong way. Are you Queen of I though,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:25):
Just to ask if I was weird.
Jeff Jarvis (00:21:27):
Are you weird? Right? Are you anomalous to the population and that you use this stuff? Does this say anything excitedly?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:34):
So
Jeff Jarvis (00:21:34):
<Laugh> the market or this stuff? Both video and audio?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:40):
Well, I'm weird in some ways. I think using the displays as a photo frame is pretty common. I was actually in my in-laws and they have it set up partially cuz we gave it to them to set it up. But I, I think a lot of people have a Google display and probably use it at some corner of their house. They may not use all the features, but mm-hmm.
Jason Howell (00:22:03):
If anything it's an ambient device. It's just there displaying something, you know, it's, it's like you said as a digital picture frame. You might not interact with it, but you're looking at it because it's showing you something that you want to look at and that has some value. I just wonder.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:22:17):
Yeah. And it shows the weather. Yeah. And it shows a i q remember they added air quality index to it last summer.
Jason Howell (00:22:24):
I forgot about that. I
Jeff Jarvis (00:22:25):
Look, yeah,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:22:26):
Right now I'm looking at it, my air quality 10.
Jeff Jarvis (00:22:29):
And
Jason Howell (00:22:29):
See you wouldn't have known that if you didn't have that sitting right there.
Jeff Jarvis (00:22:33):
<Laugh>.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:22:33):
Exactly.
Jason Howell (00:22:34):
<Laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (00:22:37):
Point <laugh>.
Jason Howell (00:22:40):
What, so when I think about this though, the value for Google, I remember the argument for, for, you know, these devices, you know, assistant hitting all of these devices was Yeah. Because at the end of the day, Google just wants more people feeding it data from all of these different directions. Does this reduce that, that effort? Or I guess, you know, we're also kind of seeing that maybe assistant isn't as important to Google as it as it once was. And so maybe this is happening concurrently with that. Maybe that's part of the reason why suddenly they don't care about third party displays. I would just kind of as imagine or assume that, you know, a company like Google that has had over time more of an open ethos on certain aspects of its business than other companies. Say Apple would would have potential benefit from, from allowing third parties to create hardware that uses its software to continue feeding it them that valuable data.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:23:46):
I think the value of an third party curi created display is probably pretty low for Google and it's probably pretty low for the third parties creating it. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So Google's value, like if you think about like, was this an awesome seller for Lenovo, maybe but probably it's not as high margin as probably a tablet. <Laugh>, I don't know. And if I look at Google, like their Nest hub Max? No, their Nest hub second generation. So the tiny Google one they threw in thread, they threw in solely. They may have thrown in other things we don't know about yet for them it may be kind of like the Pixel. So like the display is just like this cool way to test out new technologies mm-hmm. <Affirmative> that, I mean, and solely didn't even really go anywhere. You know, they Yeah. Open source that through Ripple and who knows. So I
Jeff Jarvis (00:24:45):
Guess the smart displays that they did right. Didn't solely
Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:47):
End up. Yeah, I have it. I it's the one that's sitting at, I'm only looking at it right now at my desk. And it does things, <laugh> <laugh>. I can use it to swipe left on stuff and it tracks my sleep if I slept in this room. But that's about it. I don't know. Maybe there's just no value. Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (00:25:10):
There's no value interact this way. I think that the voice, I think the voice is part of this too. Madame and all that stuff, I just, I just think that that the blushes off that rose. Yeah. And like so many things, it was a hype cycle. A hype cycle was longer on this than it was on other things, but it was still hindsight. I think
Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:28):
We, I I don't know if it's, there is a legitimate role for voice as an interaction and I, I feel like people are confusing a digital assistant with using voice as a means of interacting with something true. And we are seeing this a lot, especially with all the generative AI talk.
Jeff Jarvis (00:25:45):
But is isn't that a weird time then Stacy or mm-hmm. <Affirmative> just to go away just when ChatGPT at all would make conversation more feasible though. Well,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:54):
But ChatGPT generates text, which is terrible to read. Well, I guess it would be good for a display, but
Jeff Jarvis (00:26:01):
Audio easily.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:03):
Oh, but it's so awful to hear audio. I mean, have you ever read or have go read something generated by chat j p t aloud? It's, I mean, unless it's like really colloquial, it's horrible. It's,
Jeff Jarvis (00:26:15):
It's like a bad podcast. Some things have been all right. Right.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:19):
Okay. I, I don't know. Anyway, the point here is voice as an interaction is not going away. We're still going to talk to things and have them do things real thinking that is the platform and that is enough to build some sort of multi-billion dollar business is not, that's not real. I mean, mice and keyboards are not multi-billion dollar businesses. Right. So we have the interactive action and then we have whatever the business is. And I think a dis Google is, if a display is part of that business, they wanna control it. And it may be that a display isn't a huge part of that business. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I don't, I mean,
Jason Howell (00:27:01):
At one time it made more sense. Now not so much. Although, you know, interestingly, Google has its tablet that's right on the precipice that, you know, Google's gonna do the, the full, you know, the, the full throttle kind of sales pitch on why you need one of these things. And part of why you need one of these things is that it becomes one of these devices that we're saying that Google is, is kind of diminishing in its business. So that's a little confusing.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:31):
Well, it's not diminishing displays. It's diminishing the third party participation in the
Jason Howell (00:27:37):
Got it. Oh, no, no, that's a good, yeah, that's a good point for that is the difference. That is the difference. Because
Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:42):
I think the displays have a really inter like, like there's a p i r sensor in the Lenovo, and Google used that to like, I don't know if you'll remember this, but if you get closer to it, it actually shrinks like your weather down. But if you're far away, it gives you the temperature and like,
Jason Howell (00:27:58):
Hmm. Oh, that's cool like that. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:01):
Yeah. And there's like, and they have a glanceable thing. Like if I glance at it and I say, turn on the lights, it knows I'm looking at it so it turns on the lights without me saying, Hey, gee, if I turn that feature on mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. So I think Google probably saw some really cool things that it could do with this, but I think it probably also was like, I probably should own the hardware to really make sure the software and hardware experience together is good for some of these newer use cases because mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, like a glanceable display is cool, but you gotta educate the user before they're gonna know that like, I'm looking at you and now I don't have to say anything like to wake you up. Right. You
Jason Howell (00:28:38):
Know? Right.
Jeff Jarvis (00:28:39):
Yeah. Is it that, that everything is gonna be handheld?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:44):
God, I hope not.
Jeff Jarvis (00:28:45):
That's market is, is is imploding apple's down 40%, this is later down the rundown. Dell's down 31%. Lenovo down 30%, ACE is down 30%. And there's, that's why the, the chip story is in there that the memory chips are down. Is it that things that are plugged in or sitting on a, on a surface just disturb passe and go away? And is that the larger trend here? I'm trying to see the,
Ant Pruitt (00:29:09):
I think when, when it comes to stuff that that's plugged in, it, sales are probably down because they're so much better now. Things just work and work a lot, a few more years than what they're used to, you know, so why would you reinvest? I mean, look at the whole Apple M one chip. And people loved that thing and they didn't necessarily feel the need to jump to M two because it wasn't that much better. And there was no need to really spend any extra money or, or, or get rid of the M one
Jason Howell (00:29:41):
Hardware that they have, you know, because it just works.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:29:45):
And the corporate PC market is a huge driver of some of these sales in with the confusion about layoffs and return to work. Like those two things are making, like, if I am a big company buying laptops for my employees, maybe I have a B Y O D if they're gonna stay at home, maybe I laid off 10,000 people, so now I've got a warehouse full of computers. So those are also big factors mm-hmm. <Affirmative> that are probably driving down the stock prices.
Jason Howell (00:30:13):
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That's melissa.com/twit and we thank Melissa for their support of This Week in Google. All right, so before we get into any of the other things, we might as well hit the the, the other Google stories. There's the NFL Sunday ticket. I wanted to hear Anne's reaction to this pricing. That's why I put that in here. Yeah. You're sports Ball fans expensive. Is it cheap? What are the prices, Jason? $349 a year. Or get, so that is the Sunday package. Ba So basically if you are YouTube TV base plan subscriber, you can add the Sunday package, $349 a year. You can do a bundle with N F L Red Zone. I'm trying to remember what Red Zone is. Is that the, that's the, the thing where they show you only the scores that happen on all of the games that are playing. Is that right? Anne?
Ant Pruitt (00:34:09):
From the tw from the 25 Yard, line Inn is the red zone. Got it. And
Jason Howell (00:34:13):
That's, so it's like all the action of all the games happening at, at one point, and that's 3 89 a year. So a l you know, $40 premium gets you that extra thing. Non-Subscribers can pay another a hundred dollars a season for either package. Google's offering another a hundred dollars discount for anyone signing up during a pre-sale period. How does this compare to DirecTV's offering? It's been many years since I last did the Sunday ticket on Direct tv.
Ant Pruitt (00:34:43):
It's been many years for me, but I swear I thought I was paying about $300 on top of my regular monthly bill with Direct TV at the time. Or whoever it was. Yeah, it was the
Jason Howell (00:34:55):
Direct tv. Yeah, it was Direct tv
Ant Pruitt (00:34:56):
And this sounds pretty much the same thing. And, and I thought it was expensive back then. Yeah,
Jason Howell (00:35:02):
I did Too.
Ant Pruitt (00:35:02):
Little is too expensive now, in my opinion. I don't, I don't see the deal here.
Jason Howell (00:35:08):
Wow. So Scooter X has, has, has the stat here DirecTV since 1994, charged $293 and 94 cents to be specific Oh, per season for the
Ant Pruitt (00:35:20):
Baseball. Roughly the same
Jason Howell (00:35:22):
<Laugh> $395 94 cents per season for the NFL's Sunday Ticket Max package, which has the extra content. So it almost seems like your, your standard baseline entry into this is more expensive, but if you're getting Red Zone less, does
Ant Pruitt (00:35:36):
This catch you all these Sunday games? This does not get Yes. Yeah. Right. Because Monday Night football is, is is, right. It's a franchise, right? Yeah. It's is whole different thing Monday night and Thursday night are, they're two separate things in a event. But can you watch any game in the NFL on Sunday with this? Yes. Yes. You get all the OUTTA market stuff excluding the things that are in your area, because those will be on your local channels. Right. Got it. Right. And you can't just sign up for a package that only follows a specific team as much as people would probably love to do that. Correct. You know? Yeah. It would be nice to have some type of a la carte option on it, but wouldn't it always be nice? I hate have sort of all car options. I
Stacey Higginbotham (00:36:17):
Don't We're we're in this mess because of a carte Yeah,
Ant Pruitt (00:36:20):
Right.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:36:20):
Aren't we? We're we're like, we broke up big cable, big television. I, I now, I don't know. I
Ant Pruitt (00:36:27):
Mean, it's close to a la carte I get is is with YouTube tv and I can add to my library, quote unquote, I think that's how it says add to your library at f1. And so it automatically just gives me F1 stuff that I wanna see, or Clemson, and it automatically records Clemson content. I don't have to scroll through stuff. I literally just go to my library and boom, it's right there. I remember that feature on TiVo <laugh>. Yeah. And, and, and I love that. But, but again, with the whole Sunday ticket thing, it's overpriced, man. It's way overpriced. But you know, football fans, they'll pay it because they're such super fans. Right? Will they
Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:05):
Well that's the question. I think, I think some people will, some people will pay it. I, I think it'll be hard to price because if you've got, if you want most people who are casual football fans, it probably needs to be a little cheaper. But yeah, if you can offset that audience gain by charging a lot more for the die hards, then it makes sense to be like, well, screw you middle market fans who don't really care that much and just really focus on the high end. I, I think it's really fascinating. It would be really hard to price all this right now. I'm glad it's not me.
Ant Pruitt (00:37:38):
I love N F L Love it and look forward to watching. I love college football more. I'll be clear about that. But I do look forward to watching games on Sunday and, and, and the drama that builds up after the halfway point in the season. Cuz the game's become more important because of playoffs. So I really love that. But I, I don't love it. $300 worth. Keep that in my pocket. I could go to a couple games <laugh> and watch in person, you know
Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:05):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>. Well, would you go to like a sports bar or something and watch, I mean, like, is there
Ant Pruitt (00:38:10):
No, I would go right down here to Santa Clara to watch a game. Oh, that's right. You know, it it, it's go to LA to watch a game. It, you know, seems as like I'd get more, more mileage, more a better value bang for your buck person versus spending that extra $300 and you get beer price and you get beer and you get on bugs. You don't always get the best drugs commentary on all of those different games in different regions. Because for me watching football is, is I, I love watching the game, but I do love the aspect of having legendary broadcasters like Keith Jackson and in college football or college basketball, Dick Vitel and listen to him tell stories about the diaper danes and things like that. And when you water it down to where you get access to all of those games, you're paying for that extra big to, to, to, to see the extra games. But you're gonna lose out on some of the little nuance of the best broadcasters not gonna be on that game that way because it's not the game of the week. It's just somebody you wanna watch, you know? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>.
Jason Howell (00:39:13):
So I was curious. 380, what was it? $389, right? $389 with Red Zone. So three. Okay. So 349. A lot of people are not gonna do the Red Zone. That's 350. What, how many, how many months are there solid Sunday games happening? That's September, October, November, December, January. Right. Five five. So divided by five. Well, I know clearly. Cause I
Ant Pruitt (00:39:39):
Have to give up seven months a year to my family. Yeah. So have five
Jason Howell (00:39:44):
<Laugh> <laugh>. There was a time, there was a time when I was really, my wife and I were really into the N F nfl. I mean, we bought the Sunday ticket probably five seasons in a row. I was getting really into fantasy football. I'd never taken done that before, you know. And so that, you know, people who are in fantasy football, like really into it. They're the ones that are fine spending $17 50 cents a week for all of the games. Cuz that's really what it breaks
Ant Pruitt (00:40:09):
Down to. Let me, let me throw this at you, Mr. Howell, that I could see that being way more important a decade ago. The fantasy football players. Yeah. Now with fantasy football the stats and all of that stuff are so instant.
Jason Howell (00:40:25):
Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (00:40:25):
Right. You really don't have to go and look at the game. They pop up on your screen. That's true. And inside of your score in inside of whatever fantasy football app, because of all the APIs, that stuff is instant. You really don't have to watch a game.
Jason Howell (00:40:37):
But it elevates the fun of watching the game when you've got something on the line. At least that was my experience
Ant Pruitt (00:40:43):
Back
Jason Howell (00:40:43):
Then.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:40:43):
Yeah. Do you feel like you have skin in the
Jason Howell (00:40:45):
Game? Yeah. Right. You actually care when suddenly that player, you know, goes in for a touchdown. It's that much, you know? Yeah. Awesomer, you know, <laugh> when it happens. I love it and I love it. Yeah. Back then it, it made a lot of sense to us. I mean, it was still felt expensive, but, you know, we were enjoying it, so we were okay with it. Yeah. but yeah, this is, that's pretty pricey. I wouldn't pay $20 a week for many things. <Laugh> in life. <Laugh>. I mean, that's a, that's a pricey weekly cost. And it's not just a week, it's like a day of a week. It's a single day. So
Ant Pruitt (00:41:20):
Right. A single day that is a week in roughly, roughly seven hours.
Jason Howell (00:41:27):
Yep. Is
Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:28):
It an annual package or is it like, I know, like,
Ant Pruitt (00:41:32):
But
Jason Howell (00:41:32):
Annual is five months.
Ant Pruitt (00:41:34):
Yeah. For them, annual is five months,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:36):
But like mlb you can sign the later you sign up in the season, it's like a prorated package. So I didn't know if you could, like, if you cared. Oh, I see. About,
Ant Pruitt (00:41:44):
I've never seen it be marked down like that in the past. Okay. I don't know if it's like that within the last couple of years, but back in the day since I tried that <laugh> back in the direct TV days and they're like, no, give it up. Or you can't, you can't sign up now it's too late.
Jason Howell (00:42:00):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> also should mention that this wasn't the only kind of announcement that yes, there was the NFL Sunday ticket, but also Google is adding looks like 800 fast. That is free advertising supported television platforms to Google tv. So 800 basically free streaming ad supported stations. So think like
Ant Pruitt (00:42:25):
Fox tv, TV
Jason Howell (00:42:26):
Are some of those Pluto tv, you know, things like that, that have, you know, free movies, but you gotta sit through, you know, some ads that are streamed throughout.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:35):
So it's like watching over the air tele Yeah. Back in the eighties when I was a kid.
Jason Howell (00:42:41):
Right, right. Except the ads that you see are the same ads repeated throughout the course of the movie <laugh> is what I've noticed sometimes. Like, okay, cool. I'm seeing this ad for the third time. Ah, shoot me, you know, I gotta rather's you lose now.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:58):
That's when you get your snacks
Jason Howell (00:43:00):
Waffles. That's true. That's when you get your waffle. Yeah,
Ant Pruitt (00:43:04):
That's true. Do y'all like those services, the two be and stuff like that? Do, do y'all find those services useful? I mean, granted it's probably not for Yeah. Like us that have privilege, but
Jason Howell (00:43:16):
Right.
Ant Pruitt (00:43:17):
Do do you enjoy those services?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:43:19):
I accidentally talk TV for, I don't know, $20 a year and it has ads and I did it because Parks and Rec is like my therapy. And it was, it, it makes me sad. Like I resent every time a commercial comes, so, mm.
Ant Pruitt (00:43:37):
Which one was that? You broke up for a second commercial. Which service was that? You broke
Stacey Higginbotham (00:43:42):
Up to PE sec. Oh yeah, I see my peacock.
Ant Pruitt (00:43:45):
Oh, peacock. Yeah.
Jason Howell (00:43:46):
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We've gotten so accustomed to not having ads that at least I, this is how I feel. I've gotten so used to not having ads. We have. So you're right. It is a privilege. We have so much variety. You know, I've got Netflix, I've got Amazon Prime so I've got places to go and go to mm-hmm. <Affirmative> when I wanna scratch that streaming video itch. And, and I'm so used to not seeing ads anymore. It used to be part of my reality, but now when it happens, totally. I feel the same way. Stacy, it's kinda like, ah, are you kidding me? Like, it's like, it's, it's almost unbearable to sit through them now. And <laugh>, it used to just be the way it was
Ant Pruitt (00:44:28):
Right now.
Jason Howell (00:44:29):
It's now it's a lot harder.
Ant Pruitt (00:44:31):
Yeah. You know, my problem with those services is the ad insertion points are always wonky, you know, versus watching it for the regular broadcast. Totally agree. The segment break is
Jeff Jarvis (00:44:43):
Designed for it.
Ant Pruitt (00:44:44):
Yeah. You know, but whatever happens on two B, the other services out there that just, they literally just, oh, here's your ad now
Jeff Jarvis (00:44:53):
<Laugh>, it's very jarring. <Laugh> not, not well placed at all. And that does kind of add to the frustration. I totally agree. It's weird as a, as a former TV critic mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, I, I, I hard, I I have BC on all day. I hardly watch news. I I, I watched the succession the first two episodes. Of course I won't say anything about it. Yeah. Don't do it. Don't spoil it. I gotta won't say anything thing. But I just don't wa you know, I, I try Netflix. Netflix, everything on Netflix is so dark. Everything on, and the the acting is bad. The production is bad. And that's the high end. So you think you go, go to this free crap. The fight
Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:30):
Is acting. You can buy in Canada. That's what my friend calls it.
Jeff Jarvis (00:45:34):
<Laugh>.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:35):
<Laugh> we're the finest Canadian acting that money can buy
Jeff Jarvis (00:45:39):
<Laugh> about. Right. All right. Oof.
Ant Pruitt (00:45:42):
Oh boy. Well see, that's why I watch a lot of documentaries and stuff Yeah. On Netflix or whatever these services are, because I don't have to worry about crappy storylines or crappy act and documentaries. It's, it's hard not to like a documentary.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:57):
I hate documentary, just
Jeff Jarvis (00:45:58):
The information <laugh>. Wait, what?
Ant Pruitt (00:45:59):
You know, just
Jeff Jarvis (00:46:00):
The information. Find away. Oh, I love documentaries so much. How do you, how do you hate documentaries? Don't you love learning things while watching? I'm with Stacy. I'm with Stacy. Really? You can't stand what's, what's his name? Who's this? Who's the Ken Burns. I drives me insane.
Ant Pruitt (00:46:17):
I do not. Granted,
Jeff Jarvis (00:46:18):
I'm so fascinated,
Ant Pruitt (00:46:19):
Entertained. I do like to be entertained, but it, I have much, a much higher success rate of, of, of being entertained and unsatisfied at the end of the presentation of a documentary versus a movie that got overhyped by all the critics and, and everybody in social media. Oh, this is great. And you go and watch it and you just wasted two hours of, eh, you know, man,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:42):
<Laugh> documentaries. They, they're, they feel like something that they're not. So they pretend to be all objective, but they're really just pulling your emotional heartstrings. This Oh yeah,
Jeff Jarvis (00:46:54):
They are. Oh yeah.
Ant Pruitt (00:46:55):
Agenda. They all have
Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:56):
A, I just <laugh>. I don't feel like they're trustworthy. So why? Like, ah, they're crappy as a narrative device. Well, they're not crappy, but they're like not as good as a finely written narrative device. Like a fake, like a fiction device. Right. And I can't trust the facts that they're giving me. And maybe a nature documentary is like an exception here, but those I don't care for cuz they just, I don't like nature. I really don't like documentaries.
Ant Pruitt (00:47:24):
<Laugh> what? You
Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:25):
Get me like British Mr. You get me a British accent, Dave,
Jason Howell (00:47:30):
Different fur animals out into wilderness and the soft music. Yeah. Mixed, mixed child. Lower than you would expect to kind of like lull you into this like hypnotic. Yes. Talk to me. <Laugh>. Yes.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:43):
<Laugh>. And then something dies. I mean, and then when you have the people, you know, a lot of times they're telling you something that's just utterly demoralizing and frustrating and sad. Just no. Justin, oh, maybe
Jason Howell (00:47:55):
You're watching the wrong documentaries. Maybe that's it.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:59):
I enjoyed Hands On A Hard Buddy. That was the last documentary I actually enjoyed. That's how long ago it's been since I've had a good documentary.
Jason Howell (00:48:08):
Yeah. I, I don't know. I find, I find documentary. I, I I couldn't name one off the top of my head. I don't know the last time I watched a documentary, but but what I do, I enjoy them. Like, I don't know what it is about a documentary. Like, I, I guess I, I haven't really spent a lot of time thinking about kind of like the like what you're talking about Stacy. Like what is, what is the intention, the narrative? I mean, sometimes you watch a documentary and it's clear there is a, there is a point to this, you know? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, they're, they're driving a point home. But I still, even, even then often I can still find something in it that I'm like, oh, well you know what? I didn't, I didn't know that that existed. Didn't before. Right. That's interesting. I didn't know that. You know, useless trivia. Yeah, that's right.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:48:49):
That's why the internet is there.
Jason Howell (00:48:51):
Yeah. But sometimes I don't want go go for it. I I just want you to feed it to me. I'd rather watch home shows hometown and
Stacey Higginbotham (00:48:59):
Oh God. I hate those too. God. Well,
Jason Howell (00:49:01):
You are
Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:01):
Editing is
Jason Howell (00:49:02):
So round. What do you like to watch? I Stacy. Yes. I'm, I'm, I'm loving Miss Stacy Ward more. This is Stacy <laugh>. Happy, happy birthday,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:14):
<Laugh>. I know. I I turned into a cranky 45 year old. I'm a Corbu
Jason Howell (00:49:17):
Overnight. I got you a TV subscription. <Laugh>. Don't, you know, I don't like watching any of that stuff. <Laugh>. I think
Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:26):
Maybe I just don't like tv. It's possible that I just don't like television. All that.
Jason Howell (00:49:32):
Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:35):
I, I mean, I watch tv, but I, yeah, I don't, I don't like documentaries. I don't like home shows. I don't like reality tv. I do like sitcoms. I only like certain sitcoms. Like I have a very, like, again,
Jason Howell (00:49:49):
Park and Rick. Yes. Swanson for the Win <laugh>.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:54):
I like succession. I either like, really like nuanced, kind of like a lot of stuff is happening.
Jason Howell (00:50:01):
Right.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:03):
Succession style, tv, hbo, O style, like the wire kind of stuff. Or I like
Jason Howell (00:50:09):
Heady and intense
Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:09):
Goofy comedies. Yeah. Or like super goofy comedies that are very light. Like The Good Place or The Office
Jason Howell (00:50:16):
Good Place was Great. That and Standup is pretty much my
Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:20):
Oh, I like standup. Yeah, that's like a documentary
Jason Howell (00:50:22):
Artist. I know how to stand up. I mean, it happened, it's a documentary and someone stood on a stage and said things. Someone stood on a stage, someone captured it with a camera.
Jeff Jarvis (00:50:32):
<Laugh>. Yeah. It's about as credible too.
Jason Howell (00:50:34):
Yeah. Yes. It's about as critical as well. Yes. <laugh>. So true. I learned something new every time I'm on This Week in Google. Gosh, that's awesome. Stacy,
Jeff Jarvis (00:50:45):
Great big Crump, <laugh>
Jason Howell (00:50:47):
Moving on. Hates documentaries. Moving on. So right before the show, Jeff, you sent me an email about a report friend of the show, Mike Masnick from TEC Dirt released a new report on the unintended consequences of internet regulation. And this was published by the Coia Institute, the C CIA research Center and the report, which, I mean, it's, it's a report and it came out right before the show, so I did not have the time to read
Jeff Jarvis (00:51:18):
Report through it.
Jason Howell (00:51:19):
Yeah. you're already halfway through it so you can talk to it. It follows the success in the family. I won't do
Jeff Jarvis (00:51:24):
Regulation. Little Lak.
Jason Howell (00:51:25):
Okay. What do you think? What,
Jeff Jarvis (00:51:27):
What's in yours? Mike's, Mike's brilliant. We love Mike and he's been working on this for a year, he said. And so he dug into unintended consequences of regulation. And, you know, this is gonna be close to my heart because, you know, watch out. But he, what what he argues pretty strenuous that they in a regulated environment, there's less investment, there's less investment in new companies, less investment in innovation, less investment in competition for the big guys. So they ironically, of course, entrench the big guys that there's an impact on freedom of expression that authoritarian regimes like to carbon copy certain regulations like dust DG in Germany to use it as an excuse to regulate speech in their, in their environments. And so I'm halfway through reading it. He goes into specific examples in Germany with SDG in the US with fasa.
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And, and that's a case where sex workers were badly hurt. And the aim that existed to try to stop the trafficking really didn't, didn't go. But as, as one of those interesting points then I'll end here, is that in, in the case of Germany and the hate speech law and s t G the platforms were already taking the stuff down that the, they thought they were gonna be f finding them like every, every other day there haven't been any fines because the platforms were taking this stuff down. Plus they were taking it down under their own terms of service, not under the law. And so it really hasn't had a big impact on the quality of the internet. But it has had an impact. He argues on innovation competition and on pre-world expression. So I'll be finishing reading this shortly. I was starting to tweet and toot some quotes out of it. I just wanted to give basically Mike a you know, a good plug for this cause he worked hard on it and we respect Mike. That's it. Hmm.
Jason Howell (00:53:28):
When you read through a report like this, do you have like a, do you have a doc open and you're pulling things up? I'm just super curious about like how you, how you parse
Jeff Jarvis (00:53:36):
A report. Well, this is all research for my next book. So I printed out fact, in fact, by the way, let me, let me just go off on a tangent. Let's slight tangent. Oh boy. I print it out. Popcorn and people who make these reports and get, offer you a PDF and you know you're gonna print it out. Right. They do a few things wrong, nor they have huge illustrations that take up lots of your ink. Oh yeah. Nothing to value. Right? <laugh> the globe who cares. It's not Mike, it's not Love you. It's not just you. But you had a two of that, and I had a cut around and said, now start with page one, then go to page three, then go to page five, then print the rest. Minor, minor irritation, but you gotta plan ahead. But the other thing that really irritates me is they choose colored fonts I print out Yeah. To barely read it. And then I've gotta go in and change the resolution up. Yes. Look, it comes up. Just use black type. Yes. Yes. Other people make PDFs to print them out to underline things. Thank you for that. Little,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:30):
Some people only produce, like, they don't produce a web version. They just send you to the pdf. So the PDF acts as the web version, which means it does need different colored fonts, and it does need stupid empty images to rest your eyes from all the blocks of type. I get your complaint. Maybe they should do a printable in Yes,
Jeff Jarvis (00:54:46):
Yes, yes, yes. Well, you know, that's what the academics do, right? The academics, you have a dull text only report, and then you can print that out and it's fine. So yeah. I'm, I'm underlying like, crazy so I can use it in research for the, for the next book on the internet.
Jason Howell (00:55:01):
I don't know. Last time,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:02):
It's, it's fascinating that you print things out. I know my child, my child does two things. They write handwritten notes, and then they have a, that's weird. They, they cut and paste, like they just snip elements that they want to save, and then they paste them in like a doc of notes, which is also baffling. So I'm just like, it
Jason Howell (00:55:24):
Can capture the portions of the screen that the text is on, or just cut. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. I've done that. Yeah. I, I, I, I feel that,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:32):
Oh, and I don't, I, I'm baffled by like, how people do real research. I mean, like, as a journalist, you know, I'll cut and paste things and I'm like, Ooh, I need to make sure I get this in here and put things in my notes. But like, for writing a book or something like that, I'm
Jeff Jarvis (00:55:49):
Like, I'm definitely afraid of cutting and pasting something and, and not bringing the attribution along with it. And then, ah, plagiar. Oh, yeah, definitely.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:57):
So I, I cut and paste there. I never cut and paste into the document. I'm writing it. I cut and paste into notes to avoid plagiarism. So like, I have, and then when I'm writing, I'm, I, before I write, ideally I've read my notes, and then I go and I start writing, and then I'll tk anything that I need to like like a, like the actual facts. And then I go and pull them, took away.
Jason Howell (00:56:24):
So I just retweet and move on. <Laugh>, we're not writing a book. I'm copy editing. So <laugh> neither my eyes. I was
Jeff Jarvis (00:56:33):
Copying the Guttenberg pre I, I, I, there was once or twice I came across a phrase thinking, I, that can't have come out of my brain. I didn't think of that. Oh, no. I copied myself. So I'll go Google the phrase and find no one else has said the phrase. So I apparently did come up with it, but it scares me to death.
Jason Howell (00:56:50):
I can imagine. Yeah. Well,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:56:51):
And sometimes people come up with phrases that other people have also come up with. Yes. Like when I, sometimes I'll run my articles through like plagiarism detection.
Jason Howell (00:57:04):
You do? Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:05):
Yeah. Just for, like, I read a lot of stuff that's pretty technical, right. And
Jason Howell (00:57:10):
Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:13):
I'm like, did I, I mean, I don't, I'm never intending to plagiarize, obviously, but, so, and sometimes it'll pull things up that I'm like, I don't really know if there's another way to like talk about instruction sets, you know? Right.
Jason Howell (00:57:27):
<Laugh>. Okay. I'm
Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:28):
Like, when I'm defining a term is sometimes I'm like, I maybe
Jason Howell (00:57:34):
<Laugh>. How else can you say this? How else can it be said?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:39):
Yeah. Well, because sometimes, I mean, when you're talking about technical things, simplicity is important.
Jason Howell (00:57:43):
Sure.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:43):
Yeah. I don't wanna come up with an elaborate metaphor for what an operating system does. I just wanna tell you what an operating system does.
Jason Howell (00:57:50):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:52):
I don't know.
Jason Howell (00:57:53):
Interesting. Well, Google, someday in the future chat, G P T will help you with all of that. Right. AI systems, they're, they're gonna protect you from from from any of the, oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:58:05):
You know, this is a good question to ask you guys. Well, are we moving into the jet of ai? Sure. Let's
Jason Howell (00:58:09):
Do it. The show? Yeah, I think so. Right.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:58:12):
So I'm prepping an article, I'm doing interviews right now for an article for the newsletter on six G for industrial use cases. So six G three GPP Standard. Right. Cellular standards. Sorry. so I plan to write my article, but then I also thought, you know, there's enough information I could have, like do a generative AI based article. So like Chad PT or some other news bard to generate this. And I wonder if I should run both of them in the newsletter to see what if my article is just like their article. I don't know. Would that be a fun experiment? Would you want to know about that? These are the questions.
Jason Howell (00:58:52):
Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:58:52):
That would, is it ethical? I mean, I would dis I would say, look, I wrote this on my own, and then as long as I did this prompt,
Jeff Jarvis (00:58:58):
It's as long as you're dis disclosing this out there.
Jason Howell (00:59:00):
Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's, that's what I would, what what I would want is disclosure about that. But I mean, yeah, absolutely. I But what if
Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:09):
It's wrong?
Jason Howell (00:59:11):
That's the story too.
Jeff Jarvis (00:59:13):
<Laugh>. Yeah. Well make sure you mark it so people don't cut and paste that and say, Stacy led me astray.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:19):
Yeah. I don't see, that's part the thing is I don't know how to document and annotate that in the formats I've got.
Jason Howell (00:59:25):
Oh, right.
Jeff Jarvis (00:59:26):
Oh, that's troubling. That's difficult. Yeah. If it's wrong.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:31):
I was just throwing this open to you and anyone on the chat, if you, if you would like to give me your thoughts. And I, I'm just thinking about it. Cause I don't have editors. I just have me <laugh>
Jason Howell (00:59:43):
<Laugh>.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:44):
Jeff, you can call me later. <Laugh>. Yeah. Get your journalism students on the line.
Jeff Jarvis (00:59:48):
Yes, will do. Oh, I saw a professor at University of Toronto. I saw today, Paolo Granata, I think his name is he's decided to teach a course in ai and he's not going to teach at the AI will.
Jason Howell (01:00:02):
Ooh,
Jeff Jarvis (01:00:03):
What exactly that means? I'm not sure.
Jason Howell (01:00:04):
Yeah. What does that mean, <laugh>? It'll be fun to watch. I have a feeling in the coming, you know, couple of years especially, we're gonna be seeing lots of little litmus tests like that. Like, oh, what would happen if I had AI do this thing then, and let's see what happens. Yeah. It's, but do you think that's okay? I, I think that's okay. As long as there's full dis disclosure.
Jeff Jarvis (01:00:31):
As long as there's disclosure. Yeah. I mean, I, I'm not, so what I saw a professor recently talking about using AI to just write your syllabus. I'm not okay with that. Why not just you to use it as a cheat tool? And the problem is, does it, does it tempt certain universities to put us out of a job? Okay. Same with writers. Same, same issue. Plus, I just think that there is a lot of, again, it's only a word prediction tool,
Jason Howell (01:00:58):
Right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>
Jeff Jarvis (01:00:59):
Right. Has no insight, no knowledge, no understanding, nothing. You know, I argue as I've argued on the show, but before that we should not call. We should, we should not speak in first person. We should speak in third person of the machine. Mm-Hmm. Should not say is writing it is assembling words. That's all it's doing. So I don't think it brings any insight in that sense now, for students to use it to get them over a writer's block, to see other ways to express things, to be inspired Yeah. To help them with their literacy, to help 'em with translation of English is the second or third language. I think that's all really rich and, and, and, and, and fascinating. I I think for teachers to use it to give material to students to edit and judge and, and improve upon. And I think makes it kind of feel powerful better than the machine.
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I think that's interesting. So, no, I'm not opposed to using it in all kinds of ways, aunt. I just think that we have to be, my problem with the whole generative AI discussion these days is that it's being misused. It shouldn't be part of search. We've talked about that in the show a lot. I mm-hmm. <Affirmative> journalists are getting it wrong. Kevin Ro No was not in love with you. And, and I just have this idea this week, play this out on you guys. The, if I had a machine that had assembled basically all of the text you could possibly get, and then mapped the relationships of every single word that every other single word, the last thing I would do is make yet more content. I would want to query it to find out what are our biases? What are the correlations we have in society? What, you know, there's, there's, there's, there's data to be found in that mapping, but we're not You doing that instead, we're just making more damn content.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:34):
Well, and so one of the things that I think is really interesting as a tech reporter, like one of those reasons I wanna try this is six G isn't something that's talked about a lot yet, right? We haven't written ad nauseum about it. So it's possible that there won't be a great article in there, which means I should write something because I can authoritative authoritatively add.
Jeff Jarvis (01:02:55):
Yes.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:56):
Something new to the conversation.
Jeff Jarvis (01:02:58):
Gives us knowledge told. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:59):
Yeah. But if I, if I asked you to write me something about 5g, I'm sure it could do a bang up job. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So, so that's, that's another interesting way to use it to be like, Hey, if I ask it about a topic and it's giving me crap answers, then I need to come in and generate better words next to each other that it can pick from next time. <Laugh>.
Jeff Jarvis (01:03:20):
Well, that's generous of you. Whereas a lot of writers and news organizations are screaming, don't copy me. Barry di I saw, I was at, I went to the S four media event in New York the other night, and Barry Diller, old fart, Barry Diller and now owns Meredith and Time Inc. And the remains of all that
Ant Pruitt (01:03:36):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> that where you saw Stephen A. Smith.
Jeff Jarvis (01:03:38):
That is exactly where I saw him when I, I was gonna ask you Dan End, cause I don't know enough to know. I don't, I don't listen to sports mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. But Dillard was going on about how they stole all our content in the beginning of the internet, and we're not gonna let it happen again. The old fart, you know, I think he's, I think that that where Stacy, your attitude is there's an ecosystem of knowledge out there. And if I can improve it and be found in that, which would be nice, then that's a, a, a proper and generous thing for a journalist to do. Right.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:08):
Well, I'm not doing it for the ai. I'm doing it because my audience would clearly not know. Yes. I mean, I write about this cutting edge <laugh>, so I'm like, oh, this is something that needs to be covered, because no one's covering it.
Jeff Jarvis (01:04:20):
So what do you think of Stephen A. Smith? An
Ant Pruitt (01:04:22):
I love Stephen A. Smith. he gets a bad rap, unfortunately. I mean, he has this nickname screaming a Smith <laugh>. And, and it's because of how a lot of the sports talks shows are now just screaming at each other, debates, but they're usually just screaming at each other. It's cuz that's what gets the clicks. I get it. Right. But his story of, of him growing up and being an athlete and wasn't a great athlete, but he was good enough, and going to HBCUs in North Carolina and, and getting into the writing rooms and Philadelphia and just really doing the work and grinding and pushing through and, and, and just building himself up and building his career up. Not with a bunch of handouts, not with cheating on cheating this person or that person. He, he literally just put in the work. And it's, it shows and people are, people respect him and the players in the different sports, whenever he mentions their name, they tend to listen. You know, sometimes they get mad because it's some painful truths, but they respect them because they know, he does his research.
Jason Howell (01:05:28):
Hmm.
Jeff Jarvis (01:05:29):
He was interested. I, but I don't know sports. So I just kind of sat back and said, oh no, next to Steven A. Smith, but I don't know anything. So he is there.
Ant Pruitt (01:05:39):
Yeah. He's, he's a pretty good cat.
Jason Howell (01:05:43):
Where do we want to go from here? We've got ai, this US Commerce Department yesterday requesting public comment on how to create accountability measures for ai.
Jeff Jarvis (01:05:56):
You don't even know what it is yet.
Ant Pruitt (01:05:58):
Right?
Jason Howell (01:05:59):
Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (01:06:00):
I think we're still just society in general when it comes to ai. We just need to, to understand that AI is still evolving at this moment. We're nowhere near what one should consider a final version of it, because it's still trying to learn from the stuff that we put into it, you know? But yet there's still so much doom and gloom being put out there from the media, and it, it just, it's screwing up a lot of the normal folks outside of this here podcast that hears about ai. Dr. Nait was on Tech News weekly last week mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and
Jason Howell (01:06:39):
Oh, good friend of this show.
Ant Pruitt (01:06:40):
It was great talking to her. It was great talking to her, you know, because she, she pointed out how certain sides of the press are going at it as a AI is great. AI is awesome. Woo, way to go. And then there's the other side that are like AI doomers and oh gosh, watch out for this cycle. Ai. And you never have a bit of a middle ground when it comes to reporting the facts of the matter when it comes to, to ai. And that's a big problem. Because you, you, you're polarizing people to be one way or the other. Not necessarily letting everybody see the full scope of it. You know, just like AI is gonna take all of our jobs. Right. It's not
Jeff Jarvis (01:07:23):
<Laugh>. Yep. There's also kind of a macho to it too. And where some of these guys are saying, this is Elon, this is the letter that he, that he signed, is that it's gonna destroy humanity. And I am so powerful. I can do that. There's, there's a, there's a hu Yeah. Macho hubris there. That
Ant Pruitt (01:07:38):
Hubris that I
Jeff Jarvis (01:07:39):
Think is bs. Mm-Hmm.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:41):
So I will say I have a different opinion.
Jeff Jarvis (01:07:44):
All right. My work,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:46):
I think the NT I a, we're talking about the NTIs mm-hmm. <Affirmative> are a request for comment. Yeah. So I think this is actually an excellent thing. I think what they're looking at is they're actually looking for comments on how we should be auditing AI and how we should establish rules to make sure AI is doing what we want it to do. And we've already seen various different forms of artificial intelligence and models being used in ways that have tremendous impact on people's in the medical industry for detecting breast cancer in de filing bail in Philadelphia deciding who gets bail and how much they have to pay. There is CPSs is using it. So there's a lot of places where Aios already being used and there's no accountability for how those algorithms are working. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, there's also no way to know necessarily that it's being used and there's no way to not opt out, but switch over to a person. Like in the case of judges and how they deal with bail in Philadelphia, I think it's Allegheny County, maybe. There's no option for a person to get involved. Right. So there, that's
Jeff Jarvis (01:08:58):
I agree. That's
Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:59):
Fine. Right. So it is important, not that we wait, I know that the Silicon Valley has, our brains automatically are like, oh no, we shouldn't make laws because it, it affects innovation and it's s time's innovation. Part of what we need to do here is guide innovation along the tracks. We want it to go on. And what these tracks that they're trying to lay down isn't stop what you're doing. It is, let's talk about how we can create audits that hold the developers accountable and make sure that when we implement these things, we have a release valve for people who get hurt by it. And I think's
Jeff Jarvis (01:09:35):
An but what, what counts as AI and the AI has become such a huge umbrella. I mean, is it to be, to be a little ridiculous? Yeah. Does it include autocorrect? Does it include translate? Does it include, you know, Amazon recommending things to you? Where, where is it that AI is dangerous and where is it that AI algorithm now already accepted
Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:53):
<Laugh>? All right, so let me, I've pulled up the request for comment right here. Uhhuh
Jeff Jarvis (01:09:59):
<Affirmative>. I, I actually printed it out earlier too. Yes.
Jeff Jarvis (01:10:02):
We know you print out everything. Jeff <laugh>, old fart <laugh>, you print out my email. I don't read this thing
Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:10):
<Laugh>. Alright, so what there, so from an, so you're asking the definition of ai Yes. Is what you're asking me here. How is the, how are they defining it? And the answer is, this is 31 page document that I have not finished reading The definitions start on page five. What they're actually trying to define is quote unquote trustworthy ai. So they're not actually dealing with what types of ai. So NSTA saying trustworthy AI systems are valid and reliable, safe, secure, and resilient, accountable, transparent, explainable, interpretable, privacy enhanced and fair with their harmful biased managed <laugh>. So they're acknowledging that there's going to be biases and they're saying, let's, let's figure out how to do that. But
Jeff Jarvis (01:10:57):
It, but, but it, it, it, it, Stacy, the, the issue becomes, I, I stochastic parents writes about how it e even at this stage, it's not accountable. We don't know what all data goes in. We don't know how it operates.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:11:10):
Right. They're trying to figure that out. How are we supposed to develop this? How are we supposed to build accountability? Do we need different levels of accountability for different verticals like healthcare versus criminal justice versus now that, I
Jeff Jarvis (01:11:23):
Dunno, auto parts make more sense to be and concentrating on. That's the
Stacey Higginbotham (01:11:26):
AI side. That's what they're concent. That's, they're, they're not cons. They're tr they're trying to build something. They're trying to build a framework for when you develop an ai, how do you make it accountable? So they're basically saying, look, it's kind of like, how do we establish a grading scale that makes sense for ai? That is literally what this is asking input on. It's not saying this AI is good or this is bad, or we're gonna stop using all this ai. They're saying, okay, if I'm gonna create an algorithm to do X, Y, Z, how do I make sure it's performing like I want it to perform? How do we set guardrails for like, the use of that within an industry? That means if it doesn't perform correctly, that people can address that, right. That there's a mechanism for solving any issues that arise. So there's lots of things here. They're not trying to say, they're not trying to govern hell an algorithm is developed. They're not trying to govern what you can make an algorithm about. They're just saying, look, we're doing this. How do we make sure it works for everything? Okay.
Jeff Jarvis (01:12:33):
So I make an algorithm that just assembles words based on their relationships with their words. I do not warrant that. It, it's good on facts. I do not warrant that. It's gonna be nice. I don't warrant anything, but I wanna see what comes out.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:12:46):
They would say, how do you build, so this, this is asking, how do I build, what kind of accountability features do I need for a,
Jeff Jarvis (01:12:54):
What if I say none? What if I say I want to see what the the language associations of human,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:13:01):
I don't think they care about the AI itself, but they do care if your, if your school system implements a large language model for detecting if a kid is going to shoot up the school, that is when the rules come into play. That is the type of things they're trying
Jeff Jarvis (01:13:17):
To, right. So the accountability goes to the humans, not the machine in that case to say that unless you can back this up and you can verify that it, it gives you true results, you shouldn't use it. And I would agree with that full fully.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:13:28):
Well, and those are, then you should put a comment saying that that's what they're asking for. Like literally this discussion. That is what they're trying to do. They're talking about, they ask for definitions for audits. What does an assessment need to look like? Right now they're like, Hey, right now we look for harmful bias and discrimination. We look for if it's valid and effective, we look for data privacy. Are these the right metrics we should be looking for? We look for disinformation. Who should be doing these? Should it be internal? Should there be third parties involved?
Jeff Jarvis (01:14:00):
But like disinformation right there. Then, then you get down to the same issues we got into with just the internet as a whole, is who's gonna be the arbiter of truth? Who's gonna decide? Was it, what is disinformation? That's,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:11):
They're asking
Jeff Jarvis (01:14:11):
Lot of rabbit holes. Wow.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:13):
Should you have, should you ha But just because they're rabbit holes, Jeff doesn't mean we shouldn't start exploring them.
Jeff Jarvis (01:14:20):
Okay. But I just, this is
Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:21):
The, this the earliest stages. And again, no, you're nervous. I'm not a, you
Jeff Jarvis (01:14:24):
Know what, sorry, Stacey, go ahead. You keep going.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:28):
You're bringing up all of these things because you are nervous, but you're bringing it up in a way that's like, this seems stupid and we should shut it down. You should bring it up. I mean, it's much more helpful to bring it up. Like, Hey, this is something I worry about. Let's address it. And this is where like when you call this moral panic, you're basically shut it. Not yet. I know. Not yet. But I feel like we're getting there. <Laugh>, when you veer towards that, you're basically saying you're shutting down the discussion early. And it's a discussion we so need to have.
Jeff Jarvis (01:15:01):
I think Stacey, I think you're right. I think you're right. What I'm nervous about is bad legislators and some bad regulators, and this goes to Mike Paper, is that there are unintended consequences galore to thinking that we know enough early in the stage of technology to do that. But I agree that if this kind of discussion is a good discussion to have, I will, I will, I will stipulate that, your Honor. Yes.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:28):
In legislation, I know we're in a really whacked out era where we can't actually get things done. But for the most part, legislation can it, it's stupid to think we're gonna have legislation that will be a hundred percent right the first time we implement it. That's never gonna happen. Right. So you've gotta start somewhere, and then you've gotta adjust. And you,
Jeff Jarvis (01:15:49):
Then you have laws like Utah's though, which is gonna take everybody under 18 off social media, which is abhorrent
Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:55):
In my, and we're gonna, that's gonna get adjusted real fricking fast. I promise they
Ant Pruitt (01:15:59):
Can drive cars, <laugh>,
Jeff Jarvis (01:16:01):
<Laugh>, and buy guns.
Ant Pruitt (01:16:05):
They can.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:06):
So I, I guess,
Ant Pruitt (01:16:08):
You know, I, I, I listened to, I'm listening to you all and, and I'm thinking about leadership in the legislature and whatnot, and I agree we gotta start somewhere. Because if we put it in the hands of, in my opinion, put it in the hands of our current leadership, it's just gonna be a bit of a mess. Because a lot of them are so uninformed on things and have their own agendas and fears. And some of it is warranted. Most of it's not. But I guess over time, it's gonna take citizens voting better, people in to help, I don't know, educate current leadership and, and really get a grip on this stuff where we can try to put some regulations in place, or safe, safe rails, safeguards in place.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:53):
I feel like our age, my parents' age, I don't know about younger kids, but we've grown up in an era where government, it's bad. It's terrible, but government doesn't have to be bad and terrible. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, it doesn't have to be stick
Ant Pruitt (01:17:05):
Tooth.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:06):
And yeah,
Ant Pruitt (01:17:07):
I never really felt like government was bad. I did hear that a lot growing up. But as I've gotten older, I, I will saying government doesn't always know what they assume they know or
Jason Howell (01:17:22):
It's not what they lead on. It just doesn't always work. <Laugh> as intended. As intended. Right. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:29):
That's, that's a fe I mean, like, heck, I'm not evil, but I make stupid decisions all the time. And, you know, I come back and fix 'em and yeah. So I don't know. Hey, aunt, read Terra Reforms because it's all, the underlying theory of that entire book is the role of government and what it means to participate in government and how to make rules. You're, you're either gonna love it or hate it.
Jason Howell (01:17:53):
Okay. Jammer B gave a couple of thrust in the air really fast. Thumbs up, says, is it right now? <Laugh>. Outstanding. It's so good. <Laugh>. Yes.
Ant Pruitt (01:18:02):
Outstanding. And
Jeff Jarvis (01:18:03):
Let me, let me fu for the record, for people getting mad at me. I'm sorry I interrupted you, Stacey. I got excited. I apologize. Oh, me
Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:10):
To interrupt. I'm sorry. I didn't notice Jeff
Jason Howell (01:18:13):
<Laugh>. Well,
Jeff Jarvis (01:18:13):
Others will. So I apologize. I know the error of my ways people, I, I apologize
Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:18):
Again. It's, it's okay for Jeff to interrupt me.
Jeff Jarvis (01:18:21):
No, it's not this
Ant Pruitt (01:18:22):
Time.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:23):
<Laugh>. I mean, well, I mean, I interrupt you. It's hard on the show.
Jeff Jarvis (01:18:26):
It is hard. Yes.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:28):
My big pet peeve,
Jason Howell (01:18:30):
Oh, sorry. No, go, go, go. <Laugh>. Is that <laugh>?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:34):
No, it's not that. It's when I say something and then Leo will come on this show and he'll be like, so like Jeff said, and I'm like, I said
Jason Howell (01:18:42):
That. Oh,
Jeff Jarvis (01:18:43):
Yes, yes.
Jason Howell (01:18:45):
For the rest of the show, I'm gonna attribute everything to you, Stacy. Where? Makeup for that. Oh,
Jeff Jarvis (01:18:50):
Plenty of the dumb stuff that I say.
Jason Howell (01:18:52):
<Laugh>, that push button. We're gonna try and filter and attribute only the good stuff to Stacy for the rest of the show. <Laugh>.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:00):
He doesn't do it on Pur. It's not like No, I know. Just think it's just
Jason Howell (01:19:03):
Hilarious. I totally, what is I
Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:05):
Don't exist. Anyway. Okay, go on. Y'all do
Jason Howell (01:19:07):
It. Chopped Liver <laugh>. Before we venture out of ai Jeff, you compiled a few AI examples. I thought I'd shine a,
Jeff Jarvis (01:19:16):
They were, I think they, I think they were talking about the one of my newsletters. I think that came from which one? Tldr, I think put them in there. There was interesting, or maybe there was Benedict, Benedict Evans, I think. But there were interesting things of what people were doing with this now, right. To create AI just by describing it. I think that the, the idea of, of programming fritters away as you can describe what you want a machine to do and make it do it. And then there was another example in there of AI that will correct bugs as it as it runs the program.
(01:19:50):
There's also AI that will make videos, which scares me cuz it'll make more short term videos. Cause a lot of junk is gonna be perpetrated on TikTok and that's gonna upset me. <Laugh> but on the other hand, then there's another one. I, I'm curious what you as parents think about this one. Get your kids to love reading with Choose Your Own adventures, powered by ChatGPT four. You think, oh my God, no. What are they doing to our kids? On the other hand, if a kid can guide creatively a story and it can come back and tell the kid's story back to the kid, is that bad or is that good? I, first time I, I had a reflexive, you and I had a, a world, you know, reaction against it. But then I thought, no, that's pretty cool. Yeah,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:32):
It's like Fanfic. Yeah. Yeah. But choose your own adventure. Fanfic. <laugh>. Yeah.
Jason Howell (01:20:37):
I mean, to a
Jeff Jarvis (01:20:38):
Certain degree it's,
Jason Howell (01:20:39):
It's just like a text adventure that's really all, you know what I mean? Fancy it kind of re Yeah. It kind of reminds me of like, yes, when I was a kid, I loved to choose your own adventure, but part of the reason that I loved it was because it was kind of like playing a game, you know? And at the time, I think I was also very into that old word game zurk. I don't know if any of you ever played Zurk back in the day, but, you know, didn't
Jeff Jarvis (01:21:02):
Play it, but I heard of it.
Jason Howell (01:21:03):
Old school, you know, word, text, adventure, this idea that, you know, through words and using your, your mind to construct the reality of the words that are on the page. You, you kind of create the story. And I, I realize they're kind of different things. A a a word game versus a choose your own adventure book. This kind of seems like a, a combination of both <laugh>, unless I misunderstanding it. I don't know. I think it's pretty neat. Like I was thinking on, I, I think I may may have posted this on, on Master On, I didn't do a whole lot of social networking while I was away on vacation, but one of the things that I happened to come across was someone that mentioned the, the fact that, you know, at some point AI will likely, like generative AI will likely get to the point, or, you know, it's, it's totally believable that it would, that the movie that I watched tonight is the movie that I prompt my AI to create. Like, I wanna watch a movie about
Jeff Jarvis (01:21:58):
Blah, blah,
Jason Howell (01:21:58):
Blah. And then
Jeff Jarvis (01:22:00):
I Can't wait. That's the movie. I, Stacey does that to her tv. I want a documentary, but I don't want it to be like this. But
Jason Howell (01:22:06):
I want it to be a
Jeff Jarvis (01:22:07):
Little goofy, but I want it to be like that. That's, that's Stacey's Heaven.
Jason Howell (01:22:12):
<Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:12):
Leslie? Nope. Is the Witcher
Jason Howell (01:22:15):
<Laugh>. Oh no.
Jeff Jarvis (01:22:17):
<Laugh> <laugh>.
Jason Howell (01:22:18):
I wanna watch
Jeff Jarvis (01:22:19):
Point Jason.
Jason Howell (01:22:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, sorry, go.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:23):
I put a link. Oh, sorry Jeff, you go.
Jeff Jarvis (01:22:25):
No, no. Oh, now, now, now we all don't wanna interrupt Rachel other. Okay,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:30):
I'll go. You going? I've got a link in social. I was, because when you were talking about Choose Your Own adventure, I, I read this I think yesterday, but it was a fortunate article about someone using chat j p t to be the Dungeon Master, to be at the DM for a Dungeons and Dragons game. And apparently it sucks at it, but I was actually thinking that this would be like a, I don't know how many of y'all played d and d when y'all were kids, but I did. It's kind of a fun idea of like, you could kind of play with by yourself or <laugh> every, I don't know how, not to sound pathetic talking about this <laugh>, but like <laugh>, like if you didn't, parents
Jeff Jarvis (01:23:15):
Were already scared about you playing Dungeons Dragon and how you do it by yourself. Yeah. That's
Jason Howell (01:23:19):
Scary when you have no dungeon master to play with now. No,
Jeff Jarvis (01:23:23):
That's really sad. <Laugh>. They can't find any more nerds to play with. So you make one up. It's okay though. It's okay.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:23:31):
But you,
Jason Howell (01:23:32):
I think that sounds great.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:23:33):
Other players. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway it didn't work in this particular example, but I actually was kind of exci, I was thinking about like, how could you use generative AI to create role playing games? Okay, I'm gonna stop talking because <laugh>, I'm outing myself left and right in ways that are uncomfortable.
Jason Howell (01:23:53):
<Laugh> see an article here. I've been my friend's favorite Dungeon Master for two years now, and I gave chat. G P t Fueled Dungeons and Dragons a try. I'm not threatened. So there you go.
Ant Pruitt (01:24:06):
Give it time.
Jason Howell (01:24:07):
Yeah. Because
Ant Pruitt (01:24:08):
Isn't being a dm, like a, that's a, that's a dagum skill, you know, is
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:13):
Sure. It's, you've gotta be, you've gotta be creative. DM b track all this
Jason Howell (01:24:18):
Plate.
Ant Pruitt (01:24:19):
Yeah, man, I'm like, how, how do you all come up with
Jason Howell (01:24:21):
This? I don't even know. Like, it floors me, but, and he, yeah, that is not a scoop. But
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:27):
If you think about all, if you look at all the dungeon master guides, right? There's a lot of information in there. And if you could as a dm, like if you could just do all the creative fun part and then just be like, oh yeah, what, what, you know, what do I need to roll to like defeat an or or whatever, you know, that kind of information. It might be nice to not have to kind of have it like my notes when I hate to being the dm. Also, it was sucky Thinkless job. <Laugh>. I dunno,
Jeff Jarvis (01:24:56):
<Laugh>,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:58):
Maybe it's cuz I just didn't like it. <Laugh>.
Ant Pruitt (01:25:01):
I want no part of it.
Jason Howell (01:25:02):
Yeah. That's, that's kind of the thought of being a DM is frightening to me. That does not sound like my cup of deep being on the spot right there. Kind of creating the game as you go. No, thank you. Rather be on the other side. That is our AI block. I noticed that there's no real TikTok corner in here with content, but there is some news stuff. Oh, there
Jeff Jarvis (01:25:24):
Isn't. I'm sorry. But there Isck is interesting.
Jason Howell (01:25:30):
Yes. Okay, so hold on that.
Jeff Jarvis (01:25:32):
Yes, I know. I wanna do a tease here.
Jason Howell (01:25:34):
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Jeff Jarvis (01:29:32):
Have you played with it yet?
Jason Howell (01:29:33):
I well, I'm not really, I'm not really.
Jeff Jarvis (01:29:36):
Have you subscribed to any CK newsletter? They know who you are. And so I didn't even have to sign up. I just went to it and boom, I was in it
Jason Howell (01:29:45):
And that was it. So what did you think? Like
Jeff Jarvis (01:29:47):
Ck.Com/Notes. It looks, I, I i, I kind of, I never wanna agree with Elon Musk on this earth, but I kind of agree with him at one point. It looks exactly like Twitter.
Jason Howell (01:29:57):
Oh really?
Jeff Jarvis (01:29:58):
It is. It is a complete rip off of Twitter, but hey, fine. It's gonna rip off somebody rip off a musk now. So it's mainly the, it starts off with being, it has the starter kit. One of the big problems of all these of Mask done or Twitter at any of them is, well, who do I start following? Well, it starts off with all the sub stack authors promoting their own stuff. They've obviously been there for a while, so it has content going in. It looks nice. The people, they have the, there's some people on some I really don't like, but you know, there's people there. I do like the problem I have of course is just like post news is that it, it's owned by one company and it can be bought by an nihilistic idiot just like Twitter was. And so we're still at risk. If you go to subject.com/notes, Jason, I I, it depends on whether it sucks you're signed in.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:54):
So I'm on it and I don't have that many newsletters that I subscribe to, but there's only one person. It's Tim Timothy Lee who's put a note in right now. That's all. I see some other, like, you
Jeff Jarvis (01:31:10):
Have subscribed or home
Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:11):
That's subscribed. I've got Zen Xip. How do you
Jeff Jarvis (01:31:15):
State of toi?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:16):
Yes, I've got her.
Jeff Jarvis (01:31:19):
If you go to home, it should be populating you with lots of stuff, doesn't it?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:22):
It's not that much. It's like 12. Let's see. Yeah, it's like maybe, maybe 20 people as I've scrolled down most of the way, and honestly, these are not the people I want to hear from.
Jeff Jarvis (01:31:36):
Yeah, yeah. But I think it's just like post news Stacy, where people are saying, Ooh, it's a better Twitter. Let's all go there. And you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm like you, I'm basically shrugging at it. I thought it was a
Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:48):
Oh, but there is a, Andrew Sullivan has posted a puppy picture.
Jeff Jarvis (01:31:54):
<Laugh>, but it's Andrew Sullivan.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:55):
I know, right?
Jeff Jarvis (01:31:57):
Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (01:31:58):
I don't even know if I have a CK account. Probably
Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:01):
Don't. If you subscribe to a newsletter, you,
Jeff Jarvis (01:32:03):
Mike Elgan is there.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:06):
Well, he's not cking where I at. He's
Jason Howell (01:32:08):
Not
Jeff Jarvis (01:32:09):
Loading. Where in a taxi in Mexico. Enjoying CK notes.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:15):
Yeah. I've got the sh Who are these people and why do you think I wanna talk to them?
Jeff Jarvis (01:32:21):
<Laugh>. See, I feel like the post news now there's, if I go to the, the, the subscribed in post news, there's one guy who's posting that's basically it. Everybody else has just given up on it.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:34):
I've got his economist. Those people are the worst. Oh, <laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (01:32:39):
Grumpy. Stacy.
Jason Howell (01:32:42):
I get newsletters emailed to me. I never go tock.
Ant Pruitt (01:32:46):
So that's why I was like, that's what I was just wondering. Just because I get 'em in my email. Does that mean I'm part of CK and mm-hmm. <Affirmative> looks like I, or
Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:54):
You could be. Yes,
Ant Pruitt (01:32:56):
Apparently do. Cuz I just tried to log in and it emailed me a link to log in, so. Huh. I didn't know I had a CK account. <Laugh>, yeah. Oh, Dan
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:09):
<Laugh>. <Laugh>.
Ant Pruitt (01:33:11):
Dan's a,
Jason Howell (01:33:13):
Yep,
Ant Pruitt (01:33:14):
That's right. Dan Patterson. Duh. Okay.
Jason Howell (01:33:16):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> Dan Patterson's newsletter. Yeah. So now during this show, I've realized I don't actually have a CK account, even though I get some of these newsletters by email. So I just kind of assumed I had one, but apparent, well, apparently I don't. So like, I'm trying to sign up for some of these things that I get the emails from. What's
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:34):
The point, Jason? Maybe I did create it at some point. Well, I know, I ha I had Joe, I think I pay some, I think I pay like one or two people, bro.
Ant Pruitt (01:33:41):
This,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:41):
Yeah, I paid for one, which may be while I have it. That's why,
Jason Howell (01:33:44):
Because I have, okay,
Ant Pruitt (01:33:46):
Dude, this looks like Twitter.
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:48):
Oh boy. Doesn't it?
Ant Pruitt (01:33:49):
With orange on it. Yep. So, so it looks better. <Laugh>, but yeah, <laugh>. But man, this looks like Twitter. Wow.
Jason Howell (01:33:56):
I mean, I guess I can understand the, the thinking here. If you are writing a newsletter, well, you know, Stacy, you'd prob probably be the one to talk about this better than I, but if you're writing a newsletter, you're cultivating that community having some sort of direct, you know, direct social engagement platform that's tied in with the community, around the community that you're creating. Which I mean is the same thing, right? That, that Twitter was trying to do this newsletter thing and Elon got all upset that that notes even existed. And I don't even know the, the status of that at this point. He had, he had kind of like filtered the things off of Twitter. I don't know if they're still allowed to, to talk about CK at this point. But as a content creator, does it make sense to have this sort of a network tied so closely to the, the no place that you're using to distribute that information?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:51):
No, I'd rather have, so as a content creator, I create, like, I, I probably have, if I think about it, I will say I have four different, five different audiences actually. So I have the audience that follows my newsletter that signs up actively I, and they care about their things. I have the audience who downloads the podcast. I have the audience, the TWiG audience. Actually there is a TWiG demographic. They are probably a chunk of my podcasts and newsletter subscribers. But then they also are here in on Discord. And then I've got Twitter where I have the most, I have 40 something thousand before Twitter. Like, did whatever it did. And I don't know how many of them are real, but I think a lot of them were, cuz I grew it over such a long period of time. And those people, like my newsletter, I've got 17 something thousand newsletter subscribers. So my audiences are very different. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I want to be able to pull, like I pull in on my website, my tweets. I don't want them to be like, a lot of them probably don't care about my puppy pictures if they're only subscribing for my insightful commentation. Oh,
Jeff Jarvis (01:36:00):
Screw 'em.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:36:01):
Well, the point is like, I don't wanna give those people, like, I don't wanna spend time going into a platform to give them puppy pictures, but like, they can see it from my, they can see the Twitter stuff if they want, right? Like mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. I like the decentralization and the ability to be like, yeah, my audience gets to pick a place to find me and I create certain content for each of those areas and then they get to choose what they want to consume. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, did that make sense? That was so long.
Jeff Jarvis (01:36:30):
Yeah. Yeah. <Laugh>, I wish some Stack had federated with Activity. Pub Medium has done it. Flipboard has done it at various levels. A WordPress has done it. At least try. Why? Something to acknowledge, why to say that we're safe in case CK gets bought by Elon Musk that we can, our, our, our our identities and our social graphs are portable. Yeah. Well
Ant Pruitt (01:37:01):
I guess everybody has a price. So putting it out there and fed, averse liberates it, if you will, is what you're saying.
Jeff Jarvis (01:37:10):
Yeah. And think we heard our lesson.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:12):
I it's a two-way street, right? Like my content is only valuable if someone wants to consume it. Right? Like, it's only valuable to people who wanna consume it. So having, making that easy for them, like on Twitter is great cuz like enough people, it's, it's very frictionless for people to consume that if they want, if I go to some weird platform and do things there, it's a little harder for them to consume it. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So I'm not gonna reach those same people,
Ant Pruitt (01:37:42):
The Fed versus not a weird platform. We gotta stop saying
Jeff Jarvis (01:37:46):
This. Yes. Thank you aunt. Thank you <laugh>.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:49):
It is complicated. Do you know why I'm not a Mastodon yet, y'all. Why this is embarrassing and true. I can't freaking decide a server. I don't even know. I don't even know. Hard.
Jeff Jarvis (01:37:57):
Does you pick anyone?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:58):
I'm just like, do I go with the journalist? I don't know. Do I wanna be what if what one of us Sure.
Jeff Jarvis (01:38:02):
Does it doesn matter?
Ant Pruitt (01:38:03):
It doesn't matter
Jeff Jarvis (01:38:04):
Unless you look at Yeah, you go ahead. Explain it to
Ant Pruitt (01:38:07):
Her. That's that's the thing. If you just go to the general Mastodon one, you're totally fine because you can still federate with other servers and follow people on other servers without any issue.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:19):
Well I know, but what if people judge me for being on the normal one? I don't Then
Ant Pruitt (01:38:23):
You probably don't need those people.
Jeff Jarvis (01:38:25):
Yes. Right. And, and nor your public pictures. Screw 'em.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:28):
<Laugh>. It's so stressful to me. I just, I'm just like, ah ha
Jeff Jarvis (01:38:31):
Ha. They, unless you use the local feed from that server, you have no, there's no other reason to care about that, right? None. None. Why would I want I never do on Mast do social. You know, I Twitter be nice. Journal host would be nice, but I can follow anybody from any of those servers. It's fine. Easy.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:53):
Can I pull it into my website? Does it matter
Jeff Jarvis (01:38:58):
What into your website?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:00):
Well, like I, I pull in my tweets via, you know, an API call,
Ant Pruitt (01:39:04):
I think. Oh, the show on the page. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's probably a call for Yeah,
Jeff Jarvis (01:39:08):
It's an open source federated report.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:12):
Yes. Right. So sometimes of
Jeff Jarvis (01:39:14):
Source.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:16):
Okay. I was like, sometimes open source means you can build it yourself. If you wanna spend all afternoon, go for it. And sometimes it means that people have built tools that will make it easy for you to do this.
Ant Pruitt (01:39:25):
That's probably just an api, just like Twitter is, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it is.
Jeff Jarvis (01:39:34):
How do embed Bastard do posts on a website?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:37):
On a WordPress site?
Ant Pruitt (01:39:40):
Plugins. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:41):
Plugins baby.
Jason Howell (01:39:43):
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:46):
Okay.
Jeff Jarvis (01:39:46):
Auto embed a bas on RSS feed on any website.
Jason Howell (01:39:49):
There you go. That's the one you need. No restrictions. You're good to go. Have you all been using artifact, like since it was released? I don't know, a couple of months ago? I guess it's the social news app by the founders of Oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:09):
It's like, what is Artifact
Jason Howell (01:40:10):
<Laugh>? No. No. Okay. Say
Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:12):
More. No, I am not using it.
Jason Howell (01:40:14):
No, apparently not. This was the the social news aggregation app. It hasn't been really social yet, but it released a couple of months ago. Kevin Systrom Mike Krieger from Instagram Founders created this as, I guess their next thing. I've been using it for the last couple of months to kind of, you know, get in the habit of using it to scan news stories. You know, it's kind of like my passive, like, oh, I'm bored. Pick up my phone. What's, what's in the news? I open up artifact. Yeah. And kind of scroll through it and everything. I think the, the overall intention is that it would, it'll be more of a, like a social kind of like interaction, you know, as far as like the people that I follow. What are the news stories? You know, ki kind of similar to Nuzzle, I suppose would be the closest person. Oh, okay. Is that I'd like to try that. People that I follow on artifact, what are they reading? Here's what I'm reading. You know, some that sort of thing. But and it's fine, but it's tied to
Ant Pruitt (01:41:14):
Instagram. This is fine. Instagram. Yeah.
Jason Howell (01:41:17):
No, it's not tied to Instagram. I mean, it's, the Instagram founders created
Ant Pruitt (01:41:20):
It. Founders did.
Jason Howell (01:41:22):
They left, but it's not, it's not like linked to an Instagram counter. Anything is totally
Ant Pruitt (01:41:26):
Sent. And this is invite only still or
Jason Howell (01:41:29):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Ant Pruitt (01:41:29):
Public now. No, no.
Jason Howell (01:41:30):
You can do it. No, definitely. They just added some some social features. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. They've added reputation scores and comments. Like, I don't even know that I'm following anyone on artifact right now. I've just been using it as a pure, like news reader for the most part. Basically what it's done, what it's been for me is I, when it first came out, I was like, what's the difference between this and Google News? I mean, Google News really uses kind of like, you know, Google's you know, know-how on the backend to understand what news stories I wanna read. And that's what the folks at Artifact are, you know, are really going to town on. Like, we know what you wanna read, get after you read a certain number of articles, we'll have a better sense of the articles that you actually wanna read. We will present them to you and, and everything. So
Ant Pruitt (01:42:15):
That's what I would hope. Right.
Jason Howell (01:42:16):
Yeah. I I mean, between the two apps, I honestly don't know that I see a whole lot of difference, to be honest. I guess the social features would be the difference. I just haven't really been using them. And now there's reputation scores that would be attached to users. You can add comments, I, I guess to articles that are, that are shared inside of the app. So,
Ant Pruitt (01:42:39):
No, no. Well, bringing in the Google angle here, I, I'm interested in this because my experience with Google News has started to become craptastic again. Oh, okay. And I'm really tired of hitting, not interested. Not interested. Oh yeah. Interested to try to retrain it. And I'm like, I've, I've been using this service for years. What makes you think I'm interested in this thing? And I haven't ever been interested in this thing. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, you know, so stop showing it to me. So if, if this is going to clean that experience up for me, I'm, I'm hitting the star right now. I'm like, pixel.
Jason Howell (01:43:12):
Yeah. It takes a little while to, to kind of train it. And they actually have kind of part of the part of the experience, you know, that you can go and you could see your account. It's like at 50, you, you, you're working towards that first 50 articles read they gamified a little bit. Yes. Obnoxious. But yes. Yeah, they do kind of gamified. I don't want your badges, I don't want your stinking badges. They don't come out and like hit you over the face with the gamification aspect. Oh, did today kind of go important to go Jeff? Then you'll Oh, interesting. I wonder if I have my notifications on that app. Disabled. Cause I don't get anything from that app. I never allow notifications on anything anymore. I'm just like, Nope. Yeah. Why, why do I need notifications? Got nothing for me. Like <laugh>, I totally am the same. I deny as most of the time I deny. And it's, and it's wonderful. I have to say.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:04):
Yeah. I feel like if you're gonna ask me for notifications, you need to be like, well, what are you gonna notify me about?
Jason Howell (01:44:08):
Right. What do I actually need know right now from you?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:12):
Like my doorbell? Okay, sure. Notifications make sense. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But, you know, my, my Sonos was like, can we send you notifications? I'm like, mm. I can't think of a reason why. No.
Jason Howell (01:44:23):
Not many things in my life need like immediate attention when it comes to Sonos <laugh>. So
Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:29):
Yeah. I'm like, is there, is there like a caution? You're about to listen to something that will poison your mind forever, right?
Jason Howell (01:44:35):
Oh, I don't want that. You aren't gonna like this song. Okay.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:40):
This som will never leave your head again. No, not Hotel California. Go
Jason Howell (01:44:44):
<Laugh>. Oh, so this, this is the democracy episode. I mean, there's plenty of more stories in here. What what do y'all wanna talk about? You know, as far as the, the remaining stories that we, we have in here, we have too many stories to get through all of them. We, so I never,
Jeff Jarvis (01:45:01):
Never intent them to be all of them. It's just, it's,
Jason Howell (01:45:03):
I know that's why today's awesome death or
Jeff Jarvis (01:45:05):
Forward. Yes,
Ant Pruitt (01:45:07):
We talked about TikTok over the last couple of weeks, but I like what Mr. Jarvis put in here with the progressive lawmakers are fighting against a TikTok ban.
Jeff Jarvis (01:45:15):
Finally, somebody speaking against it,
Ant Pruitt (01:45:17):
I saw some, a couple comments at the bottom and it, and it all just made perfect sense. And yeah, and a bit of it as, as, as a little echo of what I've been saying on this show, <laugh>, they've been listen as far as, yeah, we, we can be concerned about TikTok and, and bike dance and, you know, all of the security security concerns or what have you. But shouldn't we be concerned about Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and all of those are other things that are homegrown right here, just doing the exact same thing. And, and a lot of the representatives were saying just that, you know, word for word. So I want to applaud those representatives for getting it. Yay.
Jeff Jarvis (01:46:03):
Jamal Bowman was the first one to come out and say I'm not so sure about this band. There's problems with that. There's free speech, there's other issues. It's and, and now others have, he's led the way and others are coming along too, which I, which I think is good. Stacy would say probably a fine discussion to have politically, but I fear that a lot of it is xenophobia
Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:25):
And, oh no, I actually, I don't think this is a nuanced issue at all. Good, good. I like, I've never been like keen on the TikTok, like straight up TikTok ban. Now I do think there's, like, what information is getting tracked is interesting. And I don't know if they belong on government bones, but I don't think we have any,
Ant Pruitt (01:46:48):
Bowman says the government
Jeff Jarvis (01:46:50):
Can't span an app.
Ant Pruitt (01:46:52):
Bowman says, let's have a comprehensive conversation about legislation. Legislation that we need federal legislation to make sure people who use social media platforms are safe and their information is secure and their information is not being shared or sold to third parties. That's one point. Then he goes on and says, they collect a lot of information about consumers talking about these platforms. Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and Twitter. But of course the concern about TikTok is its, it is, its owned by a Chinese company. And so therefore, you know, is there a risk of the information being shared with Chinese authorities? Facebook does not operate in China. So, you know, there's a little risk of that. He added, you know, it it, it's a, again, we should look at our own homegrown apps and Yep. And challenge them for the stuff that they're collecting. And go back to those times when you were so against Facebook and Instagram for what they were doing to teens. You know, it, it's, it digging to, digging to some of that energy you had, you know,
Jeff Jarvis (01:48:03):
But, and how do you feel about Lemonade? The new app by TikTok Parent company, bite Dance Surging in the us I've raging popularity. Justin
Ant Pruitt (01:48:14):
Installed a few minutes ago. No,
Jeff Jarvis (01:48:17):
<Laugh> <laugh>. I haven't installed it yet. No, neither. I apparently the what type
Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:22):
Of app
Jeff Jarvis (01:48:23):
Is it? So it's social. And look who old social video. Grammy one Video and photos. Whoa. Yes. It also has photos. So, I mean, I haven't used it, but the writeup, you know, of the article that was included here just basically said, it's kind of like TikTok with short form videos and then also Instagram with photo sharing. So it's a little of this little,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:45):
Oh, social media influencers. Describe the app as if, quote, Instagram and Pinterest had a baby.
Jeff Jarvis (01:48:50):
Oh, first thing is, when's my birthday?
Ant Pruitt (01:48:55):
<Laugh>?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:57):
I personally don't remember. Like, if it's not words, I have no interest. Like, it's hard enough for me to put makeup on for like, three hours to do this show. I cannot imagine <laugh> living,
Jeff Jarvis (01:49:06):
Like living
Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:08):
Lata in another
Jeff Jarvis (01:49:09):
Stacey Rule. We need the Stacey Rule book. <Laugh>. No documentaries, no images, <laugh>. No.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:17):
Maybe it's, cause maybe it's cuz Leo isn't here being curmudgeonly. I just feel like someone needs to take that
Jeff Jarvis (01:49:22):
Interruption is okay, but stealing credit is not. Yeah, I think we, I think these are all fair rubles to be honest. Yeah. <laugh> no more than 18 minutes about whiskey. Yeah. Yep. Seven minutes is okay. 18 knots. 18. I
Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:42):
Mean, even, even gin. No even gin.
Jeff Jarvis (01:49:45):
15 minutes.
Jason Howell (01:49:46):
You're right, Jen. 15 minutes. No more
Jeff Jarvis (01:49:50):
<Laugh>. And for one, those of you who don't, on, on Windows Weekly, there was a long qui about making
Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:55):
33 minutes.
Jeff Jarvis (01:49:56):
I thought it looked like security. Now, when Steve was going on about something that Leo had left, <laugh>, Mr. People love it. They wanted to do Ted talks about this and God bless them, but I thought, don't, geez, when's our show gonna start? <Laugh>. So that's what Buddy, it was
Jason Howell (01:50:15):
Like their whiskey on Windows Weekly.
Jeff Jarvis (01:50:17):
I have a story I wanna hear Stacy on.
Jason Howell (01:50:19):
Yeah. What is it?
Jeff Jarvis (01:50:20):
Oh, this is just a case where I just haven't been on the news and I don't know, but how could Samsung's profits plunged by 96% and ship productions in all kinds of crises?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:32):
I mean, chips are a commodity man. And like we went through this whole period of like, holy cow, we're gonna do it. This is memory chips, right? Is this right? Samsung's memory division.
Jeff Jarvis (01:50:42):
That's that's pure commodity.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:44):
Yeah. Memory is pure commodity, man. Like, that is so hard to be a memory chip maker. Those poor guys. I was gonna say those poor, I can't see it, but you know what I mean.
Jeff Jarvis (01:50:55):
<Laugh> individuals,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:57):
Groups, yeah. People with people of dubious parentage, as my mom would say. But yeah, it's, it's tough out there for the memory guys. So I don't know what else to tell you.
Jeff Jarvis (01:51:08):
Okay. All right. I just cause that the PC market going south and the chip market.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:14):
Well, yeah. And south there, there could be lower demand. I, I feel like
Jeff Jarvis (01:51:18):
Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:19):
During the pandemic mm-hmm. <Affirmative> memory wasn't actually a shortage issue. Memory chips weren't
Jeff Jarvis (01:51:26):
Processors were Right.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:28):
Different, well, wifi chips were various different components that are needed. Like pix were a big deal for some companies, like chips, chips can cover a lot.
Jeff Jarvis (01:51:40):
<Laugh>.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:40):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> <laugh>. But yeah. Sorry, this isn't that sexy. Okay. Sorry
Jeff Jarvis (01:51:43):
Jeff. Thank you. <Laugh>. Jeff. Jeff asked these. No,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:47):
No, I'm not, I just, I I'm like, I really, I wanna give your story all it's due. And I'm like, I don't know what else to
Jeff Jarvis (01:51:52):
Say about next, next to the rule book. Stacy wants sexy story. <Laugh> commodity
Jason Howell (01:51:56):
Story is, well, I'll tell you what's not sexy right now. And that is meta meta, apparently. Oh boy. Not very sexy. Once very sexy. I don't know. I'm gonna stop saying sexy cause it's weird. But
(01:52:09):
<laugh> referred to technology as sexy. Meta had its day. And apparently there's this article that's kind of an interesting read in New York Times article about just kind of like employee morale at Meta right now, based on, you know, the, the people that the authors of the article spoke to anyways, saying that morale is very low. There's the layoffs, there's absentee leadership, there's mark Zuckerberg the article says, making a bad bet on the future. Of course. Talking about, you know, the, the bet on the metaverse, which feels, especially now, like in the last six months, if, if anyone was still clinging onto Metaverse is the next big thing. The last six months has really kind of changed, changed a lot of opinions as far as that's concerned. It's feeling like the,
Jeff Jarvis (01:53:00):
Oh, better than NFTs, but yeah.
Jason Howell (01:53:02):
Yeah, yeah. For sure. <Laugh> there have been a lot of things that have been the next big thing. And I know it's been talked about to death on this show, but it really feels like AI might actually be the legit next big thing. And and so when you've got a company like, you know, once Facebook now meta all in on the Metaverse vr blah, blah, blah. Like, like I was reading through the article and, you know, part of it was talking about how how people who use have used vr. They're noticing there isn't a lot of return to the technology. And I can only use myself as an example. I haven't turned on my, my Quest Oh, oh no, in many months at this point. And like, I, anytime I think about it, it almost seems like so much effort and kind of like, I get this, like this this year of a little bit of queasiness and everything. I'm like, eh, you know what, no, I don't, I don't have the energy for that. And that's a, that's a big problem. Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (01:53:57):
You know, he tried to, tried to do so, I tried to say, tried to recognize what was happening to social, just pick the wrong horse.
Jason Howell (01:54:03):
Well, yeah, the article talks about, you know, place Mark Zuckerberg, you know, made the bet on, on the Metaverse. And that's exactly what it was. It was a bet. And you know what it looks right now, like you're losing that bet. What do you do? Well,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:17):
I think it is easy to see, like, oh, this is where we're going. This is, this could be awesome. Right. But I also think it's a case where the physical hardware just could not keep up. Yeah. Like
Jason Howell (01:54:29):
The expectation.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:30):
He just, he just ignored the fact that like, we don't have the ability to deliver that much performance at a price that makes sense. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and at, for the power consumption that you would need for like a wearable on your face. Like it literally doesn't exist yet. So it's kind of like, yeah,
Jeff Jarvis (01:54:49):
I just think it's a bad experience, period. I just don't, I've never, I've never really gotten it. I've tried. I mean, this is the guy who bought Google class. I tried these things. I I just didn't ever get it.
Ant Pruitt (01:55:02):
So he's all in on the VR space, so what have you. But that doesn't necessarily mean Facebook as it is, is, is gonna just disappear. Right. People are still going to No, be able to just open up facebook.com on whatever device they're using and, and post and share and re and re-share and comment and all of that stuff. Regardless if he's wrong about the Metaverse, I mean, he's got, or he, and he, well, his owner has so much money, it's not like they're, yes, they're laying people off or whatever, but it's not like they're hemorrhaging the way Twitter is hemorrhaging right now. Right. Facebook's not going anywhere anytime soon.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:55:44):
No. Why not?
Ant Pruitt (01:55:45):
He, his ownership Go ahead and keep betting.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:55:48):
Yeah. And he has enough ownership shares that he can keep for a while anyway. He could make another really terrible bet if he wanted to <laugh>, right. I guess. But yeah,
Jason Howell (01:55:58):
I imagine his hunt next bet has something to do with AI just to guess, but Oh yeah. <Laugh>, <laugh>. Just throwing that out there
Jeff Jarvis (01:56:05):
For sta for people like Stacy who don't have enough friends to be in Dungeon and Dragons Facebook will now make up friends for you.
Jason Howell (01:56:12):
<Laugh>. There you go.
Ant Pruitt (01:56:14):
<Laugh>.
Jeff Jarvis (01:56:14):
That's, that's the next Will
Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:15):
Will they pay Dun play Dungeons at Dragons? Right?
Jeff Jarvis (01:56:18):
Oh, will somebody play with me? <Laugh>?
Jason Howell (01:56:23):
Oh,
Ant Pruitt (01:56:24):
I salute the guy for being, you know, just, Hey, I, I believe in this and I'm gonna keep working at it. You know, I don't care what people are saying about it. He's passionate about it. Hey,
Jeff Jarvis (01:56:34):
He cares now. I
Ant Pruitt (01:56:35):
Got it, man. Dude, do what you want to do. It's not hurting any of us at the moment that you're passionate about building this, this mythical place. Just keep doing it. And, and keep providing facebook.com to everybody because, you know, people can't live without that. And that's sarcasm, by the way.
Jason Howell (01:56:54):
<Laugh>. <laugh>. And then there's Twitter. Any thoughts on this whole open source or the, the source code being revealed for the recommendation algorithm? Why, why, why is Twitter doing that
Jeff Jarvis (01:57:09):
Came and went while you were on vacation?
Jason Howell (01:57:11):
Yeah. Was that already on the show? Did you
Jeff Jarvis (01:57:13):
Already No, no, we didn't talk about the show.
Ant Pruitt (01:57:15):
I didn't talk about it,
Jeff Jarvis (01:57:16):
But it, people just to background you, they found a few odd things like, is this a Musk tweet, this, this other things. Yep. But then it, it just kind of interest waned quickly.
Jason Howell (01:57:27):
Got it.
Ant Pruitt (01:57:28):
A lot of redacted information too. Right. Didn't necessarily reveal everything. No, that was my understanding. Right?
Jeff Jarvis (01:57:35):
Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (01:57:36):
Right. Mr. Alex Stamos and his co-host on their podcast talked about it. It was quite entertaining. Just
(01:57:45):
The idea that they applauded him because they applauded mu when I say him, they applauded mu because Musk did say, we're going to put the code out there. All right, you did put the code out there, but you didn't put everything out there. What is all of this other crap they're trying to hide? And, and what are you expecting to gain from putting it out there? Cuz some people are believing that what he put out there is, is opening it up for, for people to game it even more, game the system even more when it comes to Twitter. I don't know if I believe that, but cuz the way people talk, nobody's using Twitter. <Laugh>.
Jason Howell (01:58:24):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>. okay.
Ant Pruitt (01:58:29):
I think, which reminds me Mr. Stamos would like to come back on, by
Jason Howell (01:58:32):
The way. Oh, really? Oh really?
Jeff Jarvis (01:58:34):
Oh, great. Well,
Jason Howell (01:58:35):
That's good to know.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:58:38):
I, is it because you call him Mr. Stamos? It's
Jason Howell (01:58:40):
So respectful. <Laugh>. <laugh>. I can't hear. Pruit is
Jeff Jarvis (01:58:45):
Always respectful.
Jason Howell (01:58:46):
If this fellow,
Ant Pruitt (01:58:46):
If ll just call you Stacy, there's a reason why
Jason Howell (01:58:50):
<Laugh> <laugh>. Well, if you called me Miss Higginbotham, I'd be like, holy moly, what did
Jeff Jarvis (01:58:54):
I do?
Jason Howell (01:58:54):
<Laugh>, I will reach out to Mr. Stamos and see if we can get him back on. That's good to know. Sweet. Hey, what do you think?
Ant Pruitt (01:59:07):
Where his co-host, his co-host is pretty, she's pretty good too. Yeah, I listen to other podcast people, but his co-host, I can't remember her name, <laugh>. She's pretty, she's pretty entertaining too, and just, and quite knowledgeable. I'm Erod Content is the name of the show.
Jason Howell (01:59:26):
Yeah. I'm trying to find the name of the good
Jeff Jarvis (01:59:29):
Title. Oh. Evelyn. Evelyn Dok. Is that who it is? Evelyn?
Ant Pruitt (01:59:33):
Yes. That's her name.
Jeff Jarvis (01:59:34):
An accent. Yes. Evelyn's a brilliant, brilliant legal scholar who went from Harvard to Stanford. She has a great accent too. Yes, she does. And yeah, she's does a lot of First Amendment stuff and content moderation and freedom of expression stuff I don't always agree with, but that's fine. Right. Brilliant. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (01:59:56):
Good. Be good for a discussion.
Jeff Jarvis (01:59:58):
Eagle Scholar.
Jason Howell (02:00:00):
There you go. Cool. should we do a change log? It's about time. I think it's hard
Jeff Jarvis (02:00:05):
To
Jason Howell (02:00:05):
Have one. We have one, we have a, we have a hardy chain change log, so let's jump into it.
Ant Pruitt (02:00:11):
Sweet.
Jeff Jarvis (02:00:12):
The Google Hardy change log.
Ant Pruitt (02:00:16):
My change log got pooped on. Oh,
Jeff Jarvis (02:00:19):
<Laugh>. Yeah, as well. It should have aunt
Jason Howell (02:00:21):
Happy. I wasn't here for that. Nothing there. <Laugh>. Oof. Well, this, that's not gonna happen here. There's some pretty pretty interesting stuff this week. Starting.
Jeff Jarvis (02:00:31):
Sexy. What did you just
Jason Howell (02:00:32):
Say, Jason? I'm not, no, I'm not gonna say that word anymore. <Laugh> just feels weird. <Laugh> not gonna lie. 14 beta one is out. So this is the first version of the new, the upcoming version of Android that is that is good enough to be considered a beta and not a developer preview. So, you know, it's one step further up on the ladder as far as, you know, things like stability. And, you know, if I install this on my device, am I gonna lose all my data? I'm not saying that you are or you aren't. I'm just saying, you know, you have can probably have a little bit. Don't play Jason in it anyways. Yes, <laugh>, don't follow on my footsteps. I have not installed the beta yet, but I will probably do that because usually by the time it hits betas when I tend to, to put these on my device these days mm-hmm.
(02:01:23):
<Affirmative>. So I might have an interesting week ahead of me as I make that happen. But smarter system, UI tent pole says nine to five, Google Android 14 is gonna feature more prominent back arrow. Some some tweaks to how the back gesture works. Kind of a smarter back gesture. So I, one of the things that I know about is like when you swipe to go back, you actually end up getting this kind of like, preview of where you're going. It's not a, it's not like a black box of like, I swipe back and who knows where I'm gonna end up. It's like if you swipe and you hold, you actually see the screen that you're going to. So that's, can you choose to go even further back with a single swipe? I don't think so. Oh, well, like if you swipe and hold, I'd be, I neat though, now that I'm thinking about that would be kind of neat to go back into different, okay.
(02:02:16):
Sorry. States. I like that actually. Maybe that's for next year. Apps can add custom actions to the system share sheets. So opening the share sheet in a photo app might let you quickly create an album or a link share sheet, of course is the sheet that comes up when you choose to share something. And I think historically speaking, an Android share sheet has kind of been a mixed bag because sometimes they're what you expect to see and sometimes they're created by a developer that's different from what you expect to see. Google's been working to kind of tighten that up and make it a little bit more of a seamless experience. So I think we're gonna get a little bit of that in Android 14. And other things, I mean, really with this beta, it's, it's very minor stuff. So if you like betas, check it out for yourself.
(02:03:07):
Just, you know, be beware. Understand it's a beta, it's might not work perfectly on your advice. That's just the way it goes. Right. pixel seven April update is fixing just a few few bugs. There's a Bluetooth issue Bluetooth devices and accessories. Suddenly un pairing from the device silently, this fixes that issue. If, if you've encountered that on your pixel seven there's a, is it un pairing or just disconnecting Mr. Howell? Well, I haven't experienced this personally. The article says un pairing. Okay. because yeah, that would be two different things, wouldn't it? Yeah. Disconnected would be Okay. I'm not connected anymore. Un pairing would be like, I have no connection. Like I have, I have nothing stored on your phone anymore and you have to re repair with me in order to work that. Those are two different things.
(02:04:00):
Right. This says Unpair, so I'm, I'm assuming that's what it means. And that would be a real big pain in the butt. Yeah. also some camera and other system bugs fixed with that. This is interesting. And I don't know if it's changed log because it's not something that's happening right now, but this seemed like a great place to put it because I think it's really, oh, we're going poop. Really Future <laugh> <laugh>. This is for the future. This is change log for the future, but we're gonna talk about it now anyways. Apparently find my device is getting an update sometime soon that will not require your device to powered on in order to work. Ooh. That's, so if your, that's cool. If your phone is off, there will still be some sort of Bluetooth connectivity that's active enough to allow for, you know, tracking, which I think, you know, this is how like our, our, like the, the standalone trackers work, right? Like they're really low power. They're just putting out a signal. If another device crosses its path, it goes, oh, hey, there's something there, you know, via Bluetooth or ultra wideband mm-hmm. <Affirmative> or whatever. And that's gonna happen inside of the phone as well. So I guess Apple has this on iPhone devices coming to Pixel devices. Definitely. And I'm sure this means it'll come up to other Google devices as well, but that seems like a really cool feature to me.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:22):
Yeah. Well, but the flip side is now it means that even if you turn your phone off, yeah.
Jason Howell (02:05:28):
Probably
Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:29):
Don't take your phone anywhere if you're going to commit crimes, that's ior.
Jason Howell (02:05:33):
Oh, okay. I'm wondering about that. Stacy, appreciate
Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:36):
That. Well, I mean, you joke, but I mean, no, there are serious, there reasons that you might actually be like, well, I really don't want my husband to know where I'm at right now. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I'm buying Christmas presents. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I'm having it. Oh,
Jason Howell (02:05:45):
Is that it? Christmas presents Uhhuh <affirmative>. Sure. Or I'm involved in a protest and I don't want, I don't want to be picked up. Thank you. Chasing as part of a protest or something. You turn your phone off. This still has the potential of, of tracking you there. Yeah, that's that's a really good point.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:59):
I just want people to be aware of There's a good side. Yes. There's a potential problem.
Jason Howell (02:06:04):
Yes, indeed. The balance. Well, and I mean that's like, that's like the headline of tracking any, any device in general, right? It, because we've seen, we've seen really great uses of tracking technology and then we've, we've seen really awful, horrible uses of tracking technology like Apples trackers. What, what are they called? The I air tags. Air tags, you know, being attached to vehicles to, to track, you know mm-hmm. <Affirmative> so that spouses can track, you know, one another or whatever. Yeah. And
Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:34):
So people, people are doubting my use of Christmas presents. I am actually a psychotic individual who does track around the holidays where my husband goes and parks the car and I look for, we shops are next to there just to see what's, cuz I'm like, oh, he's, he's right by the jewelry store, <laugh>
Jason Howell (02:06:57):
And Sophie, if he doesn't get it from Christmas. Yeah. I thought I was gonna get a diamond. I only got Right. Expectation television that I hate.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:05):
Woo. Yeah. It's, or you know, it's a, it also comes in handy. Like, you know, if he's on a, like, if he's like, oh, I'm gonna be in Seattle for a while, I'll, I'll check where he is cuz what if he's near a restaurant? I like, then I can ask him to pick up donuts or something. I can Mm. He knows I do this. I
Jason Howell (02:07:21):
Do. He knows. Okay. Alright.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:22):
I'm like, I see here next to that Mexican food place. I like, can you pick up some mole enchiladas?
Jason Howell (02:07:28):
<Laugh> <laugh>. That's really handy. Let's,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:33):
But yes,
Jason Howell (02:07:34):
Let's see here. Android developers are gonna be required to give users the ability to delete their account data both in the app and online. So this is something new that's coming is this requirement for developers that create apps that have some sort of an account creation process. So if you're using an account or, or an app or a service that requires you to create an account, Google's basically saying, if you're doing that, you gotta make it dead simple to delete that account. Google isn't saying what it means to delete that account. Like they're not verifying that the deletion happened. But they are saying, you know, the, the user doesn't have to call a number and talk to someone in order to make this happen. There. Sh there actually will be a link on the Play Store page. So you don't even have to reinstall the app. If you've uninstalled it in order to delete the account, you just click the link on the Play Store page. And that takes you to hopefully anyways, according to this, a way to delete your account and your data. So that's nice. Give me more control over your data out there. More control is a good thing. Yep. I swear, I think we mentioned that possible. Yeah, it's nice. Apologies if you did.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:08:49):
It's, it's worth mentioning twice because deleting your data is always a nice thing to know about. Yes. Especially if your wife is crazy and stocks, you
Jason Howell (02:08:57):
<Laugh> <laugh> auto archive for Android beginning to roll out, this is the idea that when your device is low on storage, which I don't know the last time that's happened to me, but I'm, you know, my phone has a lot of storage. There are phones out there that have very minimal storage. Right. And if you have a device that has very minimal storage, you've got so many apps installed on, there are so few, you know, extra small amount of space on your device to install a new app. When you go to try and install the app, Google or the pic, the phone will give you a popup that basically says, do you wanna auto archive some of the apps that you're not using? And it will know which apps you're not using very regularly. And, you know, only certain types of apps will be able to do this.
(02:09:44):
It's apps that are created with an what's called an app bundle, which is essentially kind of compartmentalizing the app. So it's not one single file, but it's lots of little pieces that make up the file so that when you decide you wanna auto archive that app, it will remove most of the app, like 60% of the app, but still leave the da mm-hmm. <Affirmative> the important pieces of the data so that later if you wanna reinstall it, you tap, you just tap the icon on your home screen, it'll pull it from the cloud and it's like, it never went anywhere you, you pick up. Right. That's pretty cool off. So need for people who, you know, have low storage on their devices, that's not bad at all. Let's see, what is this? Oh app streaming for Chromebooks. So this is the, this is, this is essentially, you've got your phone and you're sitting down with your Chromebook and you wanna pull up like a stream of your phone on your Chromebook. So it's essentially pulling up the apps or an instance of your phone on your Chromebook display and then being able to interact with that data on your screen. So this is that like
Ant Pruitt (02:10:57):
The airplay stuff that Apple does? I'm not sure
Jason Howell (02:11:00):
If I understand. I know that it's like what Apple offers between the iPhone and the Mac. I'm not sure if it's it's airplay that's powers that. I'm not quite sure. Oh, okay.
Ant Pruitt (02:11:12):
See Yeah. But it it's all new to me.
Jason Howell (02:11:14):
<Laugh>. Yeah. But, but Apple does offer this between iOS devices or at least iPhones as far as I know. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and, and the Mac os is that you can kind of open up an app at least I'm pretty, I'm pretty certain that Apple offers this. Anyways, Google's offering it as well. We know this because there is the there is a new app cross device services that will allow you to do this stuff. It's kind of the starting point. We're not quite there yet, but this app mm-hmm. <Affirmative> will enable it and it'll allow you to do things like reply to a message, check the status of a ride, share, start or edit your shopping list from your Chromebook using your phone. These are examples of course that the article pointed out. But yeah, so, you know, kind of increasing the abilities of your Chrome, your Chromebook by connecting it with your phone.
(02:12:05):
And then finally in the supercharged change log personal loan apps can be really scummy <laugh>. Mm. Google has been cracking down on the, this kind of segment of apps for a little while. They had put some they had basically capped these apps at, at 36% as far as the annual interest rate that's allowed in the play store for these apps, which is insane. I'm kinda like, why 36? Yeah. Even that is horrible. But apparently these apps went higher than that. And so they, they did that a while back. Now they're restricting this category of apps from having access to certain data points on the phone. So things like photos, videos, contacts, precise location call logs. Why? Because these apps were using that access to glean information about the users who are taking or the borrowers who are borrowing these, this money at insane annual interest rates. And then going after the people in their call logs or modifying the photos to shame them to pay back. And that's, that's really scummy stuff. So just cracking down. Imagine collections, if they always knew where you were, your phone was off. Oh my goodness. Oh, wow. Horrible. So anyways, they're cracking down on that. I think that, oh no, I know. This starts May 31st, so not too much longer. And that will be in effect. It's good stuff. This is like, the fact
Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:40):
That that happened at all is
Jason Howell (02:13:41):
Horrible. Yeah. Oh, totally. Totally. Yeah. It's super yucky. So good change log, but we've reached the end so the trucks <laugh>. All right. We are at the picks time. We gotta get this show wrapped up because Stacy's got a birthday dinner to get to. So Stacy, why don't we start with you? What you got?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:05):
I have a lovely pick. I have so many picks cuz I haven't been here. I'm gonna grab it for you
Jason Howell (02:14:11):
Or them. You said you had so many, I'm assuming it's them and not it. I
Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:16):
Just want, oh, I can't, no, it's it, I'm not gonna do all of the pics. That would be insane.
Jason Howell (02:14:20):
I see. I understand
Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:22):
This. I have to, this is the homey hub. Oh. One of my hairs is stuck to my hand. That's disgusting.
Jason Howell (02:14:28):
<Laugh>.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:31):
This is a $70 smartphone hub and this is what it looks like. See how pretty the little l e d light is this?
Jason Howell (02:14:36):
Yeah, yeah. Reminds me of my nexus cue. Oh, oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:42):
Sort of. Yeah. Okay.
Jason Howell (02:14:44):
No, I mean the, the light does the light that surrounds it. I was like, no, not the device itself. Just, just that like round l e d light.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:53):
Okay. So this is the Homey Bridge and this is a $69.99 device that has started to be, that is sold now in the us. It's from Europe. It's a European con company called at home. And their big thing is privacy. So they also have a fancier version for 3 99 99 that is called the Homey Pro. This guy is cheaper, but they still wanna emphasize privacy. So if you buy this, you can control only five devices in your house without having to pay anything else. If you pay a subscription fee, and I know y'all hate subscription fees, but it's 2 99 a month, you can control as many devices as you want. They charge the subscription fee because they are incurring costs when you connect devices to the cloud. Right. They have to make sure this device stays up to date. They have to make sure the software's all running, the integrations are all running, et cetera, et cetera.
(02:15:47):
So I'm just explaining how this works cuz most people are like, subscriptions suck. And and that's fine if you hate subscriptions, you can pay for the really expensive one that does everything locally. But this is an interesting device. It has to be, it has Z-Wave, it has Bluetooth, it has wifi, it acts as an IR blaster and it controls not all of my devices, but many of my devices, including my not Sonos. It does include that too, but it <laugh> including my Sonoff blinds. Also if you have Ikea Smart Blinds that will control those too. So it's nice. And the other thing I like about it is it has these lovely automations are super powerful. Their automations let you create some really awesome things. Like you can say if presence is detected and it's this time or something else is happening, do this and this and this. It's just a really nice and very powerful kind of d diy, smart Hope system. So that is the homey Bridge. And if you wanna try it out, you know, 70 bucks, it's totally worth it if you're into this sort of thing. And if you like it and you wanna go even further and get the Homey Pro because it's an IR blaster, you can still use the bridge with the Pro as an IR blaster for controlling your TV or AV or your planes. Questions, comments?
Jeff Jarvis (02:17:15):
<Laugh>? I like it. Oh, <laugh>. <Laugh>. I
Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:20):
Mean like, I just, I'm like, is there anything y'all want to know?
Jeff Jarvis (02:17:23):
<Laugh> kind of sounds we why ways, wise Wise, what's the company that the Chinese company that sells the nice cameras and stuff for less?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:31):
It is nothing like Wise
Jeff Jarvis (02:17:33):
<Laugh>. Oh, well nevermind. <Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:36):
Wise takes device devices that are made in China and Right. They rebadge them and I just mean
Jeff Jarvis (02:17:42):
They're reasonably priced.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:45):
Oh, well this has a subscription wise doesn't really have a lot of subscriptions. I mean, they have some, but
Jeff Jarvis (02:17:51):
Nevermind. Yeah,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:54):
The hardware, I mean, it's, it's a much, it's a nicer looking device. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, you can turn the l e d light off if you want. If like it, because like usually to control my blinds it would be in my bedroom where my blinds are. And obviously in the middle of the night I do not want a rainbow l e d. So, but yes, that is, that is the device.
Jeff Jarvis (02:18:15):
Very nice homie. It'll play that. Let's see here. Jeff, what you got? So I'm gonna do something I had up higher on the rundown to do a little inside baseball here about podcasting. Ah, yeah. Story, story that you probably all want to forward to Leo and Lisa if they haven't seen it. So it says that they're their discovery and suddenly that people, some people prefer to watch podcasts than listen to them.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:44):
What? Wait, that's everybody who's watching us right now.
Jeff Jarvis (02:18:48):
Right. So Morning Consult found that 46% of podcast lists said they prefer consuming them with video compared to 42%. I prefer they listen. On the other hand, Westwood one found 10% prefer to watch, but still what it means is according to Neiman Lab which it does very good reporting around journalism and media, that a lot of media companies are preferring YouTube now more for their podcasts. Yeah. ESPN has some espn, Mike Foss said ESPN did 1.7 million views in the first month YouTube in 2017. And now they're showing them up at 206 million views in 48 hours.
Ant Pruitt (02:19:33):
Yep. FS one is doing pretty much the same thing. They have their popular shows of like I think it's called Undisputed with Shannon Sharp and Skip Baylis. They sit and go over different sports news and usually fuss and yell at each other, but then they put those clips on YouTube and it's way more viewership on YouTube versus what they're getting on the broadcast. And they've been doing this for years. They saw that coming years ago. And, and ESPN jumped on just shortly after that. And yeah,
Jeff Jarvis (02:20:06):
ESPN says that the YouTube shorts makes it easier to pull bits outta the podcast and promote them. Yep. Within the YouTube ecosystem.
Ant Pruitt (02:20:13):
That's marketing 1 0 1.
Jeff Jarvis (02:20:14):
Westwood One found that podcast newbies, if there are any left out there prefer watching to listening and that people who watch podcasts are more likely to be younger, 18 to 34 years old than regular old listeners elsewhere. Yeah. so I just thought it was, it was, it was useful for, you know, as usual Leo and Lisa our way ahead and that doesn't get you much of anywhere. But, but they knew that first in
Jason Howell (02:20:44):
Line at the chopping block <laugh>.
Jeff Jarvis (02:20:46):
Ooh. Ooh. That's what my parents
Jason Howell (02:20:49):
Used to tell me.
Jeff Jarvis (02:20:51):
She harsh. No,
Ant Pruitt (02:20:54):
She is in a rare form today. Enough. It
Jeff Jarvis (02:20:56):
Is Birthday girl. Oh, yay. She can get away with anything today. That's right. So anyway. No, that was my, I I think it's interesting for this very company that we love here and all of you out there love and by the way, join the club. Yeah,
Jason Howell (02:21:13):
That's right. Should we do that right now? Yeah, sure. Club Twit. That's right. <Laugh>. You heard Jeff twit TV slash club twit All
Jeff Jarvis (02:21:22):
My orders.
Jason Howell (02:21:23):
<Laugh>, you get all of our shows with no ads, you get TWIT plus podcast content that's exclusive to the club you get shows that you can't find outside of the club, including, of course, Stacy's book club in the club. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> that's just one of many. You get access to our members only Discord, which is just a heck of a lot of fun. Yes. There's the animated gist, but there's just a lot of really great rooms with a lot of very focused conversation. Some of them about the shows and some of them just about technology in general, or hobbies and just, I mean, it's, it's a wide range and very active stuff. So twit.tv/club twit, seven bucks a month. There you go. Thanks for giving me the the entree into that, Jeff, because it's important, because it's also very important to what we do here at twit. It's become a really important Do
Jeff Jarvis (02:22:14):
You watch or listen? Love us.
Jason Howell (02:22:16):
There you go. There you go. And yeah, exactly. You can watch us if you like or you can listen. We don't, we don't care either way. We appreciate you. And speaking of Club Twit, there's Anne Pruitt. Anne Pruitt, what
Ant Pruitt (02:22:29):
Do you have this week? Well again, I about forgot about APIC of the week, but I remembered speaking with my hardhead this weekend and how jealous I am of him up at Pacific University in Forest Grove, Oregon. And this was their luau weekend at the at the university <laugh>. But they actually live stream it, and I freaking loved it. <Laugh> it's three hours. And I, and then I, speaking to Ms. Stacy here in the show, I wonder if this is considered a documentary because what they're doing, what they're doing is all of the students are putting on the show and going through all of the different Polynesian cultures and sharing information and tidbits about those cultures and doing the different dances. And, and it, it was so informative and so entertaining and it's all the students doing this. And there's some adults in there leading the way with things.
(02:23:29):
But this is mostly his classmates up there. And I told him, I'm like, man, you, you are so fortunate to be exposed to all these different cultures and learn about this stuff. And he's like, yeah, it's crazy to look down and see that a lot of these people are my teammates that I hang out with all the time. And he's just been learning so much stuff. And it made me think about my childhood and growing up in South Carolina and the stuff that I didn't get to learn mm-hmm. <Affirmative> cause I wasn't exposed to it, you know, or even thinking about the fact of some things were presented pretty dagum, poorly, you know, like Charleston, South Carolina, I remember this specifically. I just spoke about this with my mother, Charleston, South Carolina is pretty historic. And there's a spot there, right there at the beach called The Battery.
(02:24:19):
And the battery was just celebrated when I was growing up because of the Battle of the Confederacy and all of that stuff. But that's not how it was pitched to me as a kid. It was just the, the battery is celebrated. It's beautiful landmark. And you get to see this and you get to see that. Mm-Hmm. And I went down there as an adult in my twenties cuz I hadn't, you know, hadn't seen it as a kid. Went down there as an adult as in my twenties and I was like, holy, this is where the slaves were. You know, why wasn't that brought up? <Laugh>. Yeah. In school It was, it was celebrated, you know, and talking to my son, I'm like, you know, you're getting exposure to so much more information. You're learning so much more about the world. I'm jealous of you, man. So keep doing what you're doing up there. But anyway, shout out to Pacific University for what they're doing and educating my heart. Hit.
Jason Howell (02:25:11):
That's really great. <Laugh>. Wow. I can't, I can't believe that, that your kids in university
Ant Pruitt (02:25:19):
<Laugh> <laugh>. Yep.
Jason Howell (02:25:22):
Time goes so fast. One more to go. That's crazy. One more to go. Yep. <laugh>. Wow. That's really cool. Thank you for sharing that. My pick of the week is very low tech. I was like, what am I gonna do as my pick? And then I thought about the last couple of weeks and I realized something gave me a lot of joy on this trip. And <laugh> it's a deck of cards. Yeah. Because while I was in Costa Rica, we were going out to dinner. Yes. And we were, you know, we, we go out to, to eat and everything. My my older daughter, she's 13, she now has her first phone and so we're trying to teach her, you know, like the, the, the rights and the wrongs, you know, at least through our lens anyways, you know, the, the etiquette and that sort of stuff.
(02:26:07):
And there were just a couple of meals where we were at the table. She's picking up the phone, you know, looking for her friends, sending her messages. And we were kind of doing the same false, knew a lot of roaming down there. Yeah, we, yeah. That, that took a little figuring out. And at one point I was just like, you know what I wanna do? I wanna find a deck of cards cause we forgot to bring a deck of cards, <laugh>. And so, you know, I went have a screwdriver. I don't have a screwdriver, but dang it, I got a deck of cards in a plastic case, <laugh>. And it cost me 450 Colonna, which is, well no, sorry. No, that's $4 and 50 cents. Nevermind. Because whoa. In such a souvenir shop that it was in dollars, even though that's not a period, that's a comma. Anyways, $4 and 50 cents for these tiny cards. Right. Which it's a lot to spend. You
Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:54):
Get 'em for free if you crash a wedding.
Jason Howell (02:26:56):
Oh, totally. I mean, I paid the total sucker tax, you know, I was a, I was total tourist with these deck of cards. I put 'em in my bag and everywhere we went, I had a deck of cards and we had so much fun playing cards, like when we were eating meals and stuff. And suddenly the meals just became, you know, even more enjoyable. Something that we looked forward to, a game that we like to play called Garbage. And anyways, it, it's just a good reminder. You gotta deck of cards in your bag. It might save you from pulling out your phone when you go eat with your family or eat with your friends or whatever. Who doesn't love playing cards? So there you go. I suppose deck of card
Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:34):
Up if you have younger kids who cards is too much for Yeah. Might I recommend there's a game called Spot It. We actually still Oh
Jason Howell (02:27:42):
Yeah. In the world.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:42):
Love it enough. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. If you travel with it, it comes in a tin. Don't bring the tin airport hates looking at that thing. It will get you flagged every time. But just these card, basically, it's like what's different in the cards and you slam onto the table. Yeah. So again, not great for like, oh, fancy restaurants. Yes. But kids, adults love it. Great game.
Jason Howell (02:28:02):
Oh, it's a fantastic game. Yes. We played that with the, with the girls all the time. We still, when we go camping, we have a, a camping themed deck of spotted that always comes with us. And that's kind of our go-to. Every, every card has like six or seven symbols on it. And, but every card only has one symbol that's the same between two of them that you pull out. Right. So, or, or all of them that, that, that get pulled out. You're basically trying to spot the one thing that you have similar between the two cards that are showing. And it's surprisingly difficult, but it's a lot of fun, great for kids.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:37):
And kids are, I think kids are better at it than adults. So with a game that really evens Thes totally
Jason Howell (02:28:44):
<Laugh> Totally. I totally agree. Yeah. It's a lot of fun. So anyways, the value of a good deck of cards, it doesn't take out much space. You know, it's even smaller than a, than a salt, than a phone.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:54):
I keep one in my travel bag along with my screwdriver. Oh
Jeff Jarvis (02:28:57):
Geez. <Laugh>
Jason Howell (02:28:58):
I know isn't in there. <Laugh>. Yeah. I gotta, I gotta find a driver.
Jeff Jarvis (02:29:03):
Don't back yoga instructor. Probably a coffee maker. Probably a probably You set up a, a home hub in every hotel room you go into
Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:10):
There, there is an arrow press that when I was drinking coffee hardcore, I did carry one of those actually with me.
Jeff Jarvis (02:29:17):
Oh, Stacy, I
Jason Howell (02:29:18):
Respect that. Surprised. No, that's Surpris. I respect that. Yes. Yo Chris, good coffee. I'm,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:25):
I'm bougie man. I've gotta have my comforts when I travel
Jason Howell (02:29:29):
You, I get that. Lisa c ceo, twit Lisa before this trip was talking about how she, you know, had to bring her coffee. I'm just, I just don't trust that there's gonna be good coffee when I go places. Like there never is. You have to go out of the hotel to get it. There never is good coffee in the hotel. So Yeah, I totally respect
Jeff Jarvis (02:29:46):
That. Alright, here's a question. If you don't trust the water in a given destination, is coffee hot enough to be then? Okay.
Jason Howell (02:29:52):
Oh, that's a good question. I
Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:54):
Mean, it never anymore. It's more
Jason Howell (02:29:56):
Than you can trust water.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:57):
Yeah, I trust the water. It's just like, does it taste bad? And if it tastes bad, you can hide that with, oh,
Jeff Jarvis (02:30:02):
Some places are, are not to be trusted.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:30:05):
Well, yeah, if I'm but those places, I wouldn't drink the water anyway. You just get a you bottles bottled water.
Jason Howell (02:30:10):
Right.
Jeff Jarvis (02:30:11):
But am I asking you whether the coffee is safe then?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:30:13):
Oh, no, no. If no,
Jeff Jarvis (02:30:15):
I mean, it's made with wine, water is bad then coffee's bad. Okay. Got it. That's
Stacey Higginbotham (02:30:17):
Right. Yeah. Like rinsing fruit with bad water will also get you sick. Yes. So if you're in a place where you're really questioning the water, then you've got a whole nother
Jason Howell (02:30:26):
Problem. Yeah. A lot more complications,
Jeff Jarvis (02:30:28):
But, but it's your birthday. So we don't wanna talk about diarrhea right now. We wanna say happy
Jason Howell (02:30:32):
Birthdays, happy birthday. That's the what we actually wanna say. Yes. Not the other thing that Jeff just said. Forget that he said that. Happy birthday Stacy. I hope you have a wonderful dinner tonight and a wonderful celebration. I'm, I'm happy and honored to be able to do a show on your birthday. What do you wanna leave people with? Stacy on i.com? Anything that you're working on, anything like that?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:30:55):
Just stay on iot.com or you know what, y'all just be nice to each other. Okay. Just go say something nice to somebody. Make 'em feel good
Jason Howell (02:31:02):
Word.
Jeff Jarvis (02:31:03):
Well, it's hard to follow that act with a book plug. Geez.
Jason Howell (02:31:06):
<Laugh> <laugh>. But by golly you're gonna do it.
Jeff Jarvis (02:31:10):
Yes I am. Gutenberg parenthesis.com. 10% off from Bloomsbury, even cheaper from Blackwells. And you can pre-order my magazine book too which is below at the bottom of that page. So it'll be out in June and I'm gonna keep talking about it from now through
Jason Howell (02:31:27):
Then. Heck yeah. As you should. That's awesome. Congratulations. If
Jeff Jarvis (02:31:31):
You wanna be kind to Jeff, you could pre-order that. There
Jason Howell (02:31:33):
You go.
Jeff Jarvis (02:31:34):
Yes. Thank you Stacy
Jason Howell (02:31:37):
For your birthday. Stacy, we all pre-ordered Jeff's book, <laugh> <laugh>. Excellent. There we go, everybody wins. Including you Aunt Pruit. And always a pleasure to get to do a, a show with you. And this is actually a special week cuz I get to do another show with you this Sunday. I'm hosting Twit and you're on, you're gonna be on the panel with me. So I appreciate that. Thank you. Yes sir.
Ant Pruitt (02:32:04):
You man. Yes sir, yes sir. Appreciate you having me on.
Jason Howell (02:32:07):
Yeah, looking forward to it. What do you wanna leave people with? Handson photography, twit tv slash hop, anything else? Oh yeah,
Ant Pruitt (02:32:13):
Check out the show. Twit.Tv/H Hop for hands, HandsOn Photography. Gonna have a guest on this week looking forward to you all checking him out and sharing that show out with other folks so we can continue to grow it. And yeah, go look at aunt pruit.com/prince two slash Sean on lower third. Thank you very much indeed. Trying to pay for Pacific University.
Jason Howell (02:32:36):
Yeah, I understand. At pruitt.com, those Polynesian dances don't come cheap <laugh>. It's true. <Laugh>, Stacey, jet, it looked high quality. Thank you so much. This is a lot of fun, Jason. Always a lot of fun. And we get to do it again next week. I will be back Leo returns and I think a week and a half at this point. So basically not this Sunday, but the following Sunday, he'll be back In the meantime, Micah, Sergeant and I, and, and I mean we're all, we're all kind of filling in Leo's shoes while he's out. So I will be back next week in Leo's spot here on TWiG. If you wanna find all the details about this show, all you gotta do is go to the website, twit.tv/tg. There you will find all the ways to subscribe to this show. You'll see there that we record live every Wednesday, 5:00 PM Eastern, 2:00 PM Pacific. That's 2100 utc. And if you wanna watch live, you can twit.tv/live. Be part of the Discord. If you're a Plug TWIT member part of the IRC chat during the show, it's just kind of an extra added bonus to the experience of This Week in Google. Thank you so much and we will see you next time on TWiG. Bye everybody.
Mikah Sargent (02:33:52):
Hey, I know you're super busy, so I won't keep you long, but I wanted to tell you about a show here on the Twit network called Tech News Weekly. You are a busy person and during your week you may want to learn about all the tech news that's fit to well say, not print here on Twitter. It's Tech News Weekly. Me, Mikah Sargent, my co-host Jason Howell. We talk to and about the people making and breaking the tech news, and we love the opportunity to get to share those stories with you and let the people who wrote them or broke them share them as well. So I hope you check it out every Thursday right here on TWIT.
