This Week in Google 708, Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for TWiG This Week in Google. Jeff Jarvis, Stacey Higginbotham are here. Ant Pruit is back in town. Coming up the end of DP Review, we play a little bit with Google's brand new AI, Bard. Blackberry, the trailer is coming. 3D printed pie and lofi air traffic control. It's gonna be a fun one. Twig is next.

This is TWiG This Week in Google. Episode 708 recorded Wednesday, March 22nd, 2023. That ain't cheesecake. This episode of This Week in Google is brought to you by Bitwarden. Get the password manager that offers a robust and cost effective solution that drastically increases your chance of staying safe online. Get started with a free trial of a teams or enterprise plan, or get started for free across all devices as an individual user at Thanks for listening to this show. As an ad supported network, we are always looking for new partners with products and services that will benefit our qualified audience. Are you ready to grow your business? Reach out to advertise at twit tv and launch your campaign now. It's time for TWiG, This Week in Google! Show that's everything but Google <laugh>. Ant Pruitt's back. We missed you, Ant. Thank you for coming back. Coming back. We appreciate it. La were you in New Orleans? Was that the New Orleans conference that you were at? No.

Ant Pruitt (00:01:46):
<Laugh>? No, not this time. This was just I was off to, to be off.

Leo Laporte (00:01:51):
Oh, a vacation. A vacation. How dare you? Well, we missed you.

Ant Pruitt (00:01:56):
I had to sneak one in before you left. Yeah. Tried to sneak it in cuz I, I got, I figured you wouldn't catch it.

Leo Laporte (00:02:01):
I'll be leaving a week from Friday for three weeks, just to let you know. It's not, it's not an defense trip. And is the host of Hands-On Photography. And now more than ever, we need HOP, But I'll tell you why in a second. Jeff Jarvis is also in the house. He is, ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Leonard Tow Professor for journalistic innovation at the Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism at the City University of New York. Leo may I propose even though it's not a democracy. Please. You are the dictator. I will marry you. Special introduction for, for Stacey Line 86. And ladies and gentlemen in the house line 86, just for Stacey, I give you this TikTok. Oh, your sound.

TikTok Mom (00:03:00):
You what?

TikTok Girl (00:03:01):
I just can't stop thinking about waffles.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:05):
<Laugh> Shane. Child waffles for breakfast. So we're

Leo Laporte (00:03:09):
Gonna eat <laugh>. You had waffles for dinner and waffles are breakfast. So you're gonna eat something else. He says, why can't I? Wait a minute. Go back to it. Hold on, hold on. Okay, go back. It's, it's, it's, it's, she's not done yet. Can

TikTok Girl (00:03:22):
I can't stop dreaming about waffles!

Leo Laporte (00:03:26):
<Laugh>? I was dreaming about that <laugh>. Poor girl. She cannot stop dreaming about waffles. Ladies and gentlemen, that's Stacey Higginbotham as a child. Staceyoniot.Com

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:39):
That's a child. That's me now.

Leo Laporte (00:03:40):
That's her now all through the show. She's dreaming about waffles. Just, can't stop dreaming about waffle. Waffles are very, very good.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:49):
And you know what? They can be savory or sweet. Good for breakfast, good for dinner, good for dessert.

Leo Laporte (00:03:55):
They could do it all. A waffle. There's nothing a waffle. Can't do indeed. Slap 'em on a wound. It'll heal twice. If you ever had waffles and dingus in New York? Dingus,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:04):
Dingus. No.

Leo Laporte (00:04:05):
Dingus. I think it means things. There's, there's, it means a thing. <Laugh> <laugh> waffles. And dingus and dingus. Where would you get waffles and dingus? If I'm my, there's, there's all around the streets of New York. Hmm. Do you mean no, Jeff, they ship nationwide. Leo, we ship nationwide. Oh, it's a, it's a waffles and, but it's only one F so I think it's some Dutch thing. Not dingles. Dingus. Oh yeah. Who said dingus? Well,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:40):
I thought you were saying a different dingus.

Leo Laporte (00:04:42):
Yeah, me too. <Laugh>. It's Dutch. The Dutch is your notice. The Dutcher. The Dutch. The Dutch. It's winsome wacky. And the most wonderful waffles in the whole wide world, basically. Dingus. Ooh, the banana one looks good. Yeah. Scroll down. Ooh.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:57):
Yeah. Those do look delicious.

Leo Laporte (00:04:59):
Yeah. Mm-hmm. <Affirmative>.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:02):
I eat that.

Leo Laporte (00:05:02):
Ooh. Where there's a waffle. Ooh. You see, that's why I stopped too. <Laugh>. Yeah. <Laugh> and the <laugh>. Sorry. I I did manage to detour us very early on. Oh my God. Course waffles are worth it. And now, you know why I say this is not a democracy. Democracy. Holy cow. Of course. I only had six stories in the whole show. So but that'll make it waffle time. All the sooner we, the reason I said we need you now more than ever is the l I think, legendary site for camera review reviews. DP review, which was acquired by Amazon a few years ago, is closing for good April 10th. A lot of people outta work part of the 9,000 people Amazon announced they're gonna lay off earlier this week. They all get I'm, I'm told nice severance packages. They're not gonna be out on the street. But there is also a very good DP Review YouTube channel. Yep. And the good news for that is the guys who host that have announced they're gonna be moving over to Peta Pixel. So DP review TV lives on, thank goodness.

Ant Pruitt (00:06:13):
That's good stuff. Yeah. Those guys, Jordan Drake and Chris Nichols, they are so good at what they do and quite personable. They've built a really, really strong community there with DP review. And at, at some, at one point, I am gonna end up having these guys on Hands-on Photography and just chit chat with them cuz they're just, just great people. In addition to being great photographers and great photography educators,

Leo Laporte (00:06:37):
If you will. And it really is a nice compliment, I think, to the website, because the website, you get all the stats and the facts and a compact easy to read form. But photography

Ant Pruitt (00:06:45):
Is just stats and facts. It's like nerdy

Leo Laporte (00:06:48):
Stats. Nerdy. I mean, they go way deep <laugh>. But then, but, but what you also need to see and of course they always have sample images, but I think it's really great to, to have the video in, in addition, they, they belong together. I mm-hmm. <Affirmative> for years haven't would not buy a camera without reading about it on DP review first. And I confess they've made me drool for cameras and sometimes even buy cameras, <laugh>. Which is, which really begs the question. Amazon, what are you thinking? Did

Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:17):
You buy the camera from Amazon?

Leo Laporte (00:07:19):
Probably. Yeah. Cuz they have the mostly

Ant Pruitt (00:07:20):

Leo Laporte (00:07:21):
The time link there. They have to have made money on it. So this, so the good news is, so there is a very large site, but there is a group that is planning to archive it. So you know, that's one of the problems when a site goes away is you lose so much content.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:45):
Can we talk about this for a little bit? Because I, I was reading a profile of the New Yorker, or in the New Yorker about the head of Netflix's television strategy. And one of the little blips in there that was interesting was no, what's his name? Ted Sarandos. Sar. How? The Co-CEO of Netflix Sar, he starts with an S Okay.

Leo Laporte (00:08:09):
Ted. Yeah, we all call him Ted. That's, you know, <laugh>. Sarandos, I can't remember. I know who you're talking.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:14):
Sarandos. Yeah. I always wanna say Sarandon, but that's Susan <laugh>. Anyway, he was talking about their content strategy and basically saying that Chris Anderson's idea of the long tail of the internet is just bunk and it's dead. And I'm speaking,

Leo Laporte (00:08:27):
Well, speaking from the long tail <laugh>, no, not that's a Netflix perspective, <laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:34):
Well, are you a long tail or are you just, is there a difference between that and just like little niche plays that still make money? I mean, it's not like you're a long tail in the sense that you're free to put up in the world,

Leo Laporte (00:08:46):
Right? No. In fact we probably don't have a long tail. So Chris Anderson's thesis was, you know, there's the, the graph of uses of something starts real high and then goes low, but never goes to zero. And that long tailing thing is still profitable in aggregate, even though it doesn't look as profitable as the big spike. Our problem is our content actually has no long tail. There's a spike and it's over <laugh> cuz nobody wants to listen to a four year old tech podcast. Right. but I think he's wrong. I think that is Netflix's point of view because Netflix, yeah. And they have some data. I mean, goodness knows they have a lot of shows that are old. Well,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:09:27):
The idea then, well in plus putting money into other long tail like pr because long Tail wasn't just that it would exist forever and be useful. It was also that there was home for more niche content. Right. and thinking about like Amazon killing this site and just kind of the understanding we have nowadays about like, I don't know if it's technical debt or keeping things upright, like paying for server costs, paying to maintain security, having someone to come check and make sure no one's doing weird spammy things on your site. I'm just, I'm, I'm kind of trying to think about what the internet we're about to

Leo Laporte (00:10:05):
Having feelings of mortality. Are we Stacey?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:08):
Yes, I am. I'm

Leo Laporte (00:10:09):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:09):
Life is over

Leo Laporte (00:10:11):
<Laugh>. Don't think the DP Review is actually a classic long tail site. They get all the hits on the newest camera immediately, but mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. But I keep going back for old cameras, old lenses. Yep. For years, right?

Ant Pruitt (00:10:25):
Yep. That's the thing. I know Amazon probably gripes about not being able to sell as many Right on, you know, day one of when a camera gets announced, but cameras last for years and the camera that that came out three, four years ago, you can buy it now and it's still gonna be a great camera. And I like the idea that DP Review puts so much information in there where you feel confident to say, you know what, yes, this is a three year old camera body, but these specs are still pretty dagum strong compared to the stuff that just come out this

Leo Laporte (00:10:55):
Year. Well, and Lenss never, you know, go away. Oh yeah. I mean, I bought lenses. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (00:11:00):
I've learned the hard way on that. Waiting on lenses to get cheaper. Yeah, they don't.

Leo Laporte (00:11:03):
They don't. So the good news is, I was wondering maybe, the way back machine, you know, internet archive would save it. But there is a similar group called They've announced they are going to archive. They only have three weeks to do it. The site closed down April 10th, like is invisible April 10th. So the next three weeks they plan to archive 4 million pages of DP review. But all those links are gonna die, eh? Yeah. Not necessarily. So toAnt, and this kind of answers your question too, Stacey, it's possible to crawl a website. So the website, as you know, Stacey behind the scenes is, has an engine, it has a database, it has the presentation layer, which is co mostly CSS cascading style sheets that say this font, this goes there, that goes there, that kind of thing. And then that attaches the presentation layer to a database of content, the content layer.

And when somebody requests a page that's a database request is made and then flowed through the presentation layer and presented on the screen, that's how your site works. That's not gonna be tenable forever. Plus, you're right. You could inject code, there's code running, you could, you know, if there's a comment section, nobody's monitoring it, it's gonna go crazy. But it's, but the, you could save the HTML presentation, you can save the static presentation of any page if you, you know, if you view source on your pages, that static page, you can save that and those links can be preserved to another static page and so forth. In fact, there are spiders you know, web crawlers that are designed, I call 'em page suckers that are designed to do that. To go to a site, download everything, maintain the links and store it on your, as a static page on your hard drive. You could do that right now is with the iot site. So and then I think that's, that's safe because it's html it's isn't, you know, it's not you, you won't have a clock that works <laugh> you won't have any h java script that's running. But the actual text, the content and even the links and the images all can be preserved. Somebody's gotta run a website though that, you know, a server that serves that. But that's, you know, that can be done cheaply.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:17):
Right? Well, and if it's, if it's truly static and done, you can estimate that cost out and just be like, okay, here's, you know, 60 bucks hosted for the next because the data is not gonna change. Right? Yeah. So it's, it's a,

Leo Laporte (00:13:31):
Yeah. And I presume that's what archive team is doing. They say Archive team <laugh>. I love this main page, which is a Wiki media style. Wiki history is our future and we've been trashing our history archive team is a loose collective of rogue archivists, programmers, writers, and loud mouths dedicated to sa decade dedicated to saving our digital heritage. They've been doing it since 2009. Good on ya. Yeah. And I guess volunteers will scrape the pages and put it up here. It's not as complete by any means as, but hey, anybody saves it Let's more

Jeff Jarvis (00:14:09):
Than a half ass

Leo Laporte (00:14:10):
Effort too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. So there's live journal stuff on here. Angel Fire <laugh>. Ooh,

Jeff Jarvis (00:14:19):
<Laugh>. Angel

Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:21):
Fire. Thanks me back.

Leo Laporte (00:14:22):
So anyway, sad to hear about the end of DP review. Seems senseless, but I guess it's just not a good time right now to be a advertising supported anything on the internet.

Jeff Jarvis (00:14:35):
Well, it's a scale that Amazon expects, right? It's the problem that when I started a parents' guide at Children's Entertainment at, at News Corp side TV guide. Well, if it's not a million circulation, we don't care.

Leo Laporte (00:14:47):
Right? Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:14:48):
And so that's the, and cuz because even the ad salespeople the ad salespeople were selling ads in my little thing, and they were saying they're wasting their time on your little dinky dingus. They could be selling, you know, huge TV guide pages, right? Well, little TV guide pages with huge dollars. And same with circulation. We were taking Rackspace from TV guides. So there's a scale that you expect at certain companies, and that's an enemy of the internet. I think

Leo Laporte (00:15:13):
It is. The

Jeff Jarvis (00:15:14):
Internet kind of wants to operate at a different, at this scale, at our scale.

Leo Laporte (00:15:17):
Well, big businesses do, but that's the beauty of the internet, is you can operate at a very small scale. Cause it's cheap. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:15:23):
Yeah. But then a big business is gonna come along and buy you eventually or not. I was like, please, hello,

Jeff Jarvis (00:15:29):

Leo Laporte (00:15:29):
Wishes, please buy me, please. So also a guy on Reddit called Reclusive Eagle. You'll, like, this Ant is gonna download all of those deeply review studio camera comparison tool pages. Geez. Oh, nice. Because these are really valuable where you can just see side by side what an image will look like on a standardized picture. And it covers digital photography. Back to the beginning, 25 years worth,

Jeff Jarvis (00:15:58):
Wonder how large the staff was there doing

Leo Laporte (00:16:00):
All this stuff. That's awesome. It was a lot of people. I can't, I don't know. I was, I feel like it was hundreds, but I don't know. But look at cnet, what's happening in CNET now that they're owned by a private equity company, red Ventures, they're moving towards having ai right? On the content <laugh>. Yep. it's depressing. Honestly. I'm having

Stacey Higginbotham (00:16:16):
AI write some of my content. I'm doing, I'm running an experiment right now.

Leo Laporte (00:16:21):
Oh, really? Are you telling people when they go to Stacey on if they're seeing

Stacey Higginbotham (00:16:25):
It's, it's not on my, it's it's on my Twitter page, so I'm having Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:16:28):
I did see your tweets on that. Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:16:31):
I'm having it right. My, and

Leo Laporte (00:16:32):
It was very good. They did a matter post, right? A matter tweet. Well,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:16:35):
It was quite good. Yeah. It was a tweet about matter and yeah. So every day for the next couple weeks, whenever I post something, you're gonna get two. You're gonna get the, it's, if it's, if this, then that is using I don't know which version of G P T chat, but they're, they've just created some AI services. And since I already pay for ift, I was like, oh, let's see. And I started playing with it. The one I was most interested in is I could actually now get a summary of, of my r s s feed delivered.

Leo Laporte (00:17:09):
Yes. Oh, automatically. Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:12):
Which is kind of nice. I'm like, oh, that's nice.

Leo Laporte (00:17:14):
Here's the AI generated tweet,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:18):
Right? Oh, no, no. That is the normal tweet. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:17:20):
I can't tell. So, which is a good sign <laugh>, the ai.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:23):
Oh, yes, that's good.

Leo Laporte (00:17:24):
The AI tweet. Exciting news for smart home enthusiasts. Did the AI add the little party hat?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:30):
Yes, it did. I would never add a party hat. Do you

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:33):
Use exclamation points, Stacey?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:34):
I do, but so I had the option of using professional, serious, excited. I had like half a dozen grumpy

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:42):
Options. Did it have

Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:43):
Grumpy? It did not have grumpy.

Leo Laporte (00:17:44):
Oh, then it's no good to Jeff. No,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:47):
But I picked excited cuz I am, I'm excited. Someone, someone tweeted that like exclamation point is a total tell and I'm like, <laugh>. No, it's not

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:57):
<Laugh>. That was the human exclamation point. We just saw

Leo Laporte (00:18:00):
<Laugh>. No, it's not Woo. Jazz hands. Jazz hands are involved. I have to say. Exactly. nano, no, actually, this is a very credible, exciting news for smart home enthusiasts. Exclamation mark Nano leaf has announced three lights that work with a new smart home standard matter certified devices. Is that how you would write it? It's a

Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:24):
Little, no, that's a little jenky that Yeah. The new, I would say the new matter Smart Home Standard. Yeah. And the certified devices is just kind of weird,

Leo Laporte (00:18:31):
But yeah, the products are part of Nano Leaf's Essentials Matter product line and support thread networks. Yeah. You know what the, it isn't the, the, it's a little convoluted, weirdly written thing.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:44):
<Laugh>. Exactly.

Leo Laporte (00:18:45):
Right. And now we know that Leo is also AI generated. So this, so yeah, I'm gonna, yeah, I think this, honestly, I think there is one of the bookmarks for today's show that didn't make it in because I just did it recently. Bill Gates, you know, he does those gates notes as part of his blog says, the age of AI has begun. Artificial intelligence is as revolutionary as mobile phones in the internet. That's, you know, not a novel insight, but to hear it from Bill Gates may be interesting. He says he had he had met with in 2016, the team from Open ai. And then said in mid, mid 2022, a year ago, I was so excited about their work. I gave him a challenge, train an artificial intelligence to pass an advanced placement biology exam, making it capable of answering questions it hasn't been specifically trained for.

He says, I picked AP bio because the test is more than simple regurgitation of scientific fats facts. It asks you to think critically about biology. If you can do that. I said, then you'll have made a true breakthrough <laugh>. I thought the challenge would keep 'em busy for two or three years. They finished it in a few months. In September, when I met with them again just a few months ago, I watched in awe as they asked G P T their AI models 60 multiple choice exams questions from the AP bio exam. It got 59 outta 60. Right. It then wrote outstanding answers to six open-ended questions from the exam. We had an outside expert score. The test, G p T got a five, the highest possible AP score.

Jeff Jarvis (00:20:20):
You know, that, that says something that's about what's wrong with our society. To me,

Leo Laporte (00:20:23):
That says something wrong about the test. Test oriented. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. He says, though, in his opinion, this is equivalent to the, the beginnings of the Gooeys. The gooey.

Jeff Jarvis (00:20:34):
So that's what's fascinating. He thinks that he thinks that the gooey was such a transitional moment. It, it was, it

Leo Laporte (00:20:42):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:20:42):
Wasn't it <laugh>? I mean,

Jeff Jarvis (00:20:43):
Financially that he thinks that given that he was a little on that uptake.

Leo Laporte (00:20:48):
Yeah, no, it's huge. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:20:49):
Okay. Yeah, that's true. But I, I mean, I would imagine he could recognize in hindsight that not everybody wanted He's good at that program in Doss.

Jeff Jarvis (00:20:56):
Yeah. Yeah. He's good at admitting what he had to learn.

Leo Laporte (00:21:00):
So I got barred. Google's new

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:05):
You actually got it? Or

Leo Laporte (00:21:06):
Just the I got it invitation. Got it. I got the invitation

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:08):
Too. Finally today.

Leo Laporte (00:21:10):
Yeah, they're rolling it out. Really? Oh,

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:11):
Wait, wait, wait. Leo. Pardon. Wait, wait, wait. Leo, Leo, one moment please. Yes. One moment. I have to have a fit about this. You can guess what that fit. It is going to, you

Leo Laporte (00:21:19):
Can't use it with a workspace account.

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:21):
Why the hell not as just a freaking email address? Google.

Leo Laporte (00:21:25):
I think they don't want business. I don't know. You know, Google, it's interesting. You wouldn't think of Microsoft as the fast moving break things Right. Kind of company and Google as the cautious, thoughtful, not so

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:39):
Fast. Cash parrots. Yeah. After that they're more

Leo Laporte (00:21:42):
Careful. So Google is moving much more slowly on this and much more carefully. That's one of the ways they are, they're really that's invite only, although I got an email because I'm a Google one subscriber. Right, me too. I got an email and it said, because you're a Google one subscriber. Come on in. And and that, see, you just told me I'm invited. I had already

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:03):
You did that to me too, which was weird Ant. And then I got a later email. It said, okay, now you're actually in, because it said you can come on in and then you're not coming in. You're just on the wait list. I said, our orders are on the wait list. But then it then finally said, well,

Leo Laporte (00:22:13):
You should have done like Jason, Jason Kann and just begged. That's how you get in. So <laugh>. Anyway, I'm in. If you got, if you got anything, we've been,

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:21):
I, I, so I asked it to describe the engagement program that I teach at school. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:22:27):
Is there a document that could read?

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:29):
Yeah, but it got it way wrong. Oh, way wrong. It made up courses. It made up programs. You know, if you wanna fund them for me, Google fine. But they didn't exist.

Leo Laporte (00:22:38):
Well, let's see. Tell me about the, this, I

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:40):
Asked it this Fox News. This Fox News Live. That was a very interesting answer.

Leo Laporte (00:22:45):
Tell me about This Week in Google Podcast. Let's see if it, if it knows anything about us. I asked it earlier about Windows Weekly and it got the, it got the old cast members Mary Jo Foley. So I corrected it and it now knows that Richard Campbell's host This Week in Google Technology podcast that covers the latest Google and cloud computing news hosted by Leo Laport. Jeff Driver Stacey. Here, inbo may have Pruitt and their guests record's live Wednesdays, 5:00 PM Eastern. It's actually better at the UTC calculation than I am. This podcast covers

Jeff Jarvis (00:23:14):
<Laugh> <laugh>,

Leo Laporte (00:23:15):
A wide range of topics, including Google products and services, corporate leadership, interesting workforce issues,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:23:21):
Interest, that's all that Elon Musk talk right

Jeff Jarvis (00:23:22):

Leo Laporte (00:23:22):

Jeff Jarvis (00:23:24):
Scroll it. There's more on bet. Is

Leo Laporte (00:23:25):
There? There's more. Oh, yeah. Yeah. National and international regulations, legal developments, politics, consumer privacy issues and more. Podcast is a great way to stay up today in latest news in developments of the world of Google and cloud computing. Thumbs up. Google, Bard

Jeff Jarvis (00:23:39):
Cloud computing. Sure. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:23:42):
You know, yeah, sure. If they, if they had said something like, it never talks about Google despite the name, then I would've been oppressed.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:23:48):
<Laugh>. You would've been like, dang, there is a little man inside there typing

Leo Laporte (00:23:51):
That answer. Kick it in next week. It'll say that. But then what's kind of interesting, and I did this with windows Weekly as well. I said, tell me about This Week in Google in Arabic. And it does it does it pretty quickly too, actually faster than chat. G p t four did, cuz Google's pretty good with its translations. Uhoh uhoh. They've let a lot of people in it suddenly got slow. Look at that thinking. Oh, and then Neva saying, eat your heart out. Google. Yeah. <Laugh> the, the, this weekend Google Podcast in Arabic is available on Google Podcast. Well, okay. No, eh oh.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:32):
Speaking of Arabic. Yes. It's Ramadan today. Ramadan starts today. Yes.

Leo Laporte (00:24:37):
Happy Ramada. Do you say happy

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:40):

Leo Laporte (00:24:40):
I wouldn't be happy cuz I couldn't eat all day.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:43):
Yeah. I mean, <laugh>, it's, it's the beginning of a, a holy time. So I, let

Leo Laporte (00:24:48):
Me lemme just ask Bard, tell me about Ramadan. Yeah. How about that?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:52):
Yeah. You definitely can say happy I eat.

Leo Laporte (00:24:55):
Ramadan is the nice month of these Islamic calendar holiest month for Muslims, time for charity and giving. Ask it.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:01):
Should you say happy

Leo Laporte (00:25:02):
Ramadan? Oh, it says it's a time of great joy and celebration. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with that. Oh, it, hey, this is interesting sources. So that's, that's actually for all of them. It's only one source

Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:14):
And it's doing what we asked. So if you down, if you down thumb it. Oh my God. Words <laugh>. If you thumbs down it does it let you, does it let you, I let's fi I wanna find something that's bad at, so I can be like, no, that's not right. And

Leo Laporte (00:25:30):
See what it does. <Laugh> how about this, this was something that Tom Friedman did. He wrote about it in his New York Times thought piece. He calls AI the new Prometheus. Tell me about the matter standard and A, B, C, D, Arian, which I didn't know about, but it's a way of doing something in alphabetic with alphabetical words. So this one, Stacey, you're gonna

Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:51):
Have to like those acrostic poems.

Leo Laporte (00:25:53):
Yeah. It's gonna have have an A and then A B and then a C. The A, B, C, D. Wait a minute. 

Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:00):
Oh. It's, it's

Leo Laporte (00:26:01):
Completely confused.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:02):
That's not that particular matter standard.

Leo Laporte (00:26:04):
It completely con confused. There is no matter standard for it's making stuff up. <Laugh>, the matter standard is not a set of guidelines for the A b, ABC, Dari c Darien approach.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:18):
And it is not based on the latest recession. Wow. Unless they have, maybe they have a matter standard.

Leo Laporte (00:26:23):
Let me do it with something generic. I know that they, I don't have an A, B, C De. Erin Aaron, how do you A, A B, C D, Arian. Let's see if we can do it. Tell me about Leo LaPorte and A B C D E. Arian. It was very, the, to the Thomas Friedman example was quite impressive.

Jeff Jarvis (00:26:46):
You did A, B E C.

Leo Laporte (00:26:47):
Here is Leah Laport, A, B, C, D E, Arian Lover Technology. Everywhere he goes. If you can match his knowledge, helping people grow, he's a I don't, this is not,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:57):
Wait, it starts with l

Leo Laporte (00:27:00):
It doesn't, no, it's not doing it. There's no, lemme go to the Thomas Freeman piece because this is

Jeff Jarvis (00:27:09):

Leo Laporte (00:27:09):
He had, he had a better example. 

Jeff Jarvis (00:27:16):
I asked it to describe the stochastic parrots paper. Yeah. Got one author right, one wrong and Oh, ignored you.

Leo Laporte (00:27:23):
Oh, this is not good.

Jeff Jarvis (00:27:25):
Yeah. All kinds of stuff. It's, it, this should not be used for search. It does not do that. Emily Becker is great on that topic. Yeah, I agree. It's just wrong. And it's gonna hurt the credibility of the company. It's gonna hurt the credibility of the technology. It's just wrong. Huh? I love the technology. I'm fascinated by it. But this is not what it's meant to do.

Ant Pruitt (00:27:47):
Why all the hype for it then?

Leo Laporte (00:27:49):
Well, this is Bard. This is not chat g PT four. This is Google's response. And I think Google is not, and, and by the way, most of the ways chat GBT four is used, is not for search. Being, being is using it for more for chat. But things like copilot mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and I think are much more sensible. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:07):
Yes. Oh,

Ant Pruitt (00:28:08):
Co-Pilot is the, the dev tool, right? Yeah. Is that what I'm thinking of for

Leo Laporte (00:28:13):
Thumb? Let me, let me try chat. GTP four.

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:17):
<Laugh>. <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:28:25):
Okay. Nevermind. I don't know how Thomas Friedman got it to do it. Let's, let's go to <laugh>. Let's,

Ant Pruitt (00:28:31):
And I just,

Leo Laporte (00:28:32):
Let's stop talking about,

Ant Pruitt (00:28:33):
I still just have an invitation. I didn't and I'm on the wait list.

Leo Laporte (00:28:37):
Well, apparently you don't need to worry about it anymore cuz it's a piece of crap.

Ant Pruitt (00:28:41):
<Laugh>. Thank you, sir.

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:44):
You know Jacob Ward works for

Leo Laporte (00:28:46):
C No.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:49):
Oh, scooter X in the chat. Oh, sorry.

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:50):
Go ahead. There you go ahead. Oh, no,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:52):
I think he, scooter X is writing something. D or posting.

Leo Laporte (00:28:55):
So here's, here's here's so here's Thomas Friedman's piece in the, the New York Times. He's talking to Craig Monday, formerly of Microsoft about chat G P T four. First he asked chat G p t four to summarize Planet word in its mission in 400 words. It did so perfectly, which is his

Jeff Jarvis (00:29:15):
Wife's museum.

Leo Laporte (00:29:17):
Then he asked to do it the same 200 words, another few seconds, then the same in Arabic just as quickly then in Mandarin. Two more seconds, then in English in the form of a Shakespearean son. But here's the A, B C D Arian verse describing Thomas Friedman's wife's charity in alphabetic order. Alluring in Washington is a museum. So grand built to teach, inspire, and help us understand curious minds. Planet flock toward wordss, embrace delving into language. And its intricate grace. Every exhibit here has a story to tell from the origins of speech, the art of the quill. That's impressive. Now this is by the way, Paul Thro and Richard Campbell had a little problem with Thomas's then description of of what he saw here. I could barely sleep that night.

Jeff Jarvis (00:30:10):
<Laugh>, I know Jesus.

Leo Laporte (00:30:11):
To observe an AI system. It's software microchips and connectivity produced that level of originality. That was the word they didn't like in multiple languages. And just seconds each time. Well, the first thing that came to mind was the observation by the science fiction writer, Arthur C. Clark. That any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable for magic. I guess it does seem kind of magical. It's pretty amazing. It

Stacey Higginbotham (00:30:34):
Does. I mean, and if you don't know, and that's the originality. I mean, he doesn't know how computers or AI or anything necessarily works.

Leo Laporte (00:30:42):
Well, and I pointed out to Paul and Richard, nobody ever said it's original. And it says this, nobody's ever said this, these words before. It's not copying it from somewhere. It's generating it.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:30:52):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>.

Leo Laporte (00:30:54):
But Richard says, and I think he's right, we should stop calling it artificial intelligence cuz that kind of anthropomorphize it. He likes, and I think you do too, Stacey. Large language model or machine learning, which

Jeff Jarvis (00:31:05):
Is a subset of what they call that. Well, here's a, here's a question for you. I think that if, if, if ethically the makers refuse to let it speak in first person singular.

Leo Laporte (00:31:14):
Yeah, that's a great idea.

Jeff Jarvis (00:31:16):
If it would say the machine assembled this.

Leo Laporte (00:31:19):

Jeff Jarvis (00:31:20):
Things like that, you know, but

Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:22):
Then we would just, just be like the machine. All right. So then we would just anthropo the machine, assembled it.

Leo Laporte (00:31:28):
We really, yeah. Almost like it's talking about a, a separate God <laugh>. I brought, I brought your query into the machine and the machine responded. Thusly,

Jeff Jarvis (00:31:37):

Leo Laporte (00:31:38):
In the beginning there was the machine.

Jeff Jarvis (00:31:41):
We just, so what company?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:44):
Well, it's just how we see the world. We have that narrative bias. We have that like people bias. I mean, I get it. It's, we're social that way. It's adorable.

Leo Laporte (00:31:56):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:57):
Like a puppy

Jeff Jarvis (00:31:59):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:32:00):
Press slow lores.

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:02):
We're not so, we're not so cute. Be humans.

Leo Laporte (00:32:06):
Well, people are sick of us talking about ai, but I have to say, this was an amazing week with the launcher chat. G p t four, the launch of Google's bard. Finally mid Journey has gone bonkers with its version five. Have you seen some of these? Version five? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>.

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:22):
I haven't seen the version five stuff

Leo Laporte (00:32:23):
Yet. Photo fingers,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:32:25):
To be clear, realistic. G P T four was last week that it

Leo Laporte (00:32:29):
Launched last Tuesday. Yeah, it was before the show. Oh, sorry. Yeah. No, you're right. But still kind of a wild week cuz we were seeing Oh yeah. The results of that. These are, let me show you an, you're the photographer. Do you think this really looks like a photograph of Brad Pitt wrestling a bear? Dang

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:46):
<Laugh> <laugh>. I guess that's your answer.

Leo Laporte (00:32:49):
<Laugh>, that spoke a thousand words. This is one of the ones that I really liked. Dang. I said I want a ca black and white portrait of a cat in the San Francisco Fire Engine contrast, hyper detailed Sony a 7 4 85 millimeter F1 Boca Bouquet. Wow. And Amorphic <laugh>. Now that could easily be a photo, I think.

Jeff Jarvis (00:33:12):
Beautiful. I saw that on Instagram, I

Leo Laporte (00:33:15):
Believe. Oh, somebody might have taken it from us. But this is our, this is, we have in our discord, we have the, the mid journey stuff in our staff. This is a staff. And

Jeff Jarvis (00:33:27):
I've burned through my credits

Leo Laporte (00:33:28):
Already. Yeah. <laugh>. I ended up spending some money cuz I thought I gotta play, I gotta play with this.

Jeff Jarvis (00:33:33):
This is fun.

Leo Laporte (00:33:36):
It is fun. Although it thinks, this looks like me watching the Formula One race. And I don't think that's,

Jeff Jarvis (00:33:41):
It's hilarious. Ha ha. That's, that's what you look like after you're retired. That's what you're taking. Absolutely hilarious. Yeah. I think

Leo Laporte (00:33:50):
If I said off the team, if I asked you, is that AI or real, you might look at some things carefully and say, well, I think that might be ai, but just on casual inspection. That's pretty good. I mean, looks like a photo, right? Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:05):

Leo Laporte (00:34:07):
<Laugh>, you'd think. Okay. You would say, oh, immediately. Okay. Now that's ai. It's too beautiful. Anyway, the point is, mid Journey is doing stuff that looks doesn't, we've come in a year so far, it doesn't know what Lisa looks like. Some people that knows what they look like Summit, they don't. So they thought that's what my wife Oh, would

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:25):
A Lisa LaPorte look like?

Leo Laporte (00:34:27):
That's right. I and I, Lisa

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:29):
Apparently has dark hair and lipstick.

Leo Laporte (00:34:30):
Well, I did tell, I said Red lipstick, dark hair, dark eyes. Beautiful. Oh. Oh, okay. So I gave it some hints. This is Micah Sergeant's chihuahua's, Missy and Henry Podcasting. Oh, that's obvious.

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:43):
They're little puppy mics.

Leo Laporte (00:34:44):
<Laugh> <laugh>. It's obviously hi. Because it's such an absurd thing. But it's a very well done. We've come up. I mean, just think about the first Dolly images we saw a year ago. Yeah. You know, we've come along

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:58):
Way four and afters on that. There. It is. Quite an amazing, yeah. Well there was, there was a fake photo of Trump being arrested that came out from civil diffusion. Yeah. And somebody compared those. One of, they were, they were good. But, but you looked at, at, at, at earlier things of Trump and Obama and such. And they were just Yeah. Yeah. All, all mangled.

Leo Laporte (00:35:18):
Well, and just look at fingers is really all you have to do. Exactly. But, but now they have

Jeff Jarvis (00:35:22):
Full of five pickers. Yeah. All see Adobe. Wait, no, wait, Leo, may I, may I Have you listened to chat? G p t radio?

Leo Laporte (00:35:31):
You then Ant? No, I haven't. What is chat? G P T Radio

Jeff Jarvis (00:35:35):
9 57. Okay. Okay.

Leo Laporte (00:35:37):
<Laugh>. Oh boy. So what this is future future Can I play it, do you think?

Jeff Jarvis (00:35:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you could. Well, actually what you wanna do is you wanna go down cause it has music, so you don't want that. But if you go scroll down, where is it? It has host Bella talking to one person. Break, use radio,

Leo Laporte (00:35:59):
Radio, G p t to host a show with multiple AI voices. Uhoh.

Jeff Jarvis (00:36:04):
Yeah. Uhoh.

Leo Laporte (00:36:07):
All right. We can't play this music. It's sorry. J i l gt

Speaker 7 (00:36:12):
With a song he didn't want to release as a single because he didn't think Benny and the Jets would work on radio for a lot of reasons. Mainly because it was five minutes long. Sir Elton, respectfully, we are glad you were wrong. Hi, it's Bella on radio. G p t of all the things you could be wrong about which one could get you paid. We've

Leo Laporte (00:36:34):
Got one. This sounds a little tricky. If your

Speaker 7 (00:36:36):
Guest for

Leo Laporte (00:36:36):
Tomorrow morning, this

Jeff Jarvis (00:36:37):
Is go up. Go up Leo, on the page there's the local weather report.

Leo Laporte (00:36:40):
Okay. This one. Somewhere

Jeff Jarvis (00:36:42):
There. You're not gonna find us this lady. No, no, no. It's three boxes. It's three there, it's there, there. No, no, no, no.

Leo Laporte (00:36:46):
You had it

Jeff Jarvis (00:36:47):
There. No. Well, that's actually not it. That's a spec spot. <Laugh>, go up some more.

Leo Laporte (00:36:53):
I don't like you anymore, Jeff. I just want you to know you've lost me completely. First of all, for some reason there, the link you sent me started at the bottom of the page and I've been scrolling back. I

Jeff Jarvis (00:37:02):
Know backwards. That's very weird. I don'ts

Leo Laporte (00:37:03):
Very strange whole time. Here's a local weather report with a sponsor,

Speaker 8 (00:37:06):
Radio, G p t everywhere Weather,

Speaker 9 (00:37:10):
Cleveland Weather, brought to you by Giant Eagle Supermarkets. A strong low pressure system will bring one to two inches of rain into northeast Ohio tonight, causing the threat of flooding east of Iceland.

Leo Laporte (00:37:20):
So I gotta, it's okay, right? Nice. Yeah. Would you wanna listen to that voice for more than about 30 seconds? You

Jeff Jarvis (00:37:26):
Wanna listen to broadcast radio today? <Laugh>? No.

Leo Laporte (00:37:29):
Okay. <laugh>. Point taken. But <laugh> to me, there's something about that voice. It's grading that I wouldn't wanna listen to if

Speaker 8 (00:37:36):
There's a

Jeff Jarvis (00:37:37):
Little edge there. All right. Try the next one. Try the, there's other

Leo Laporte (00:37:40):
Trained voices out

Speaker 8 (00:37:41):
There, right?

Speaker 10 (00:37:41):
Traffic brought to you by John Taylor Mazda. For those of you heading south on I 90 on your commute home from work.

Leo Laporte (00:37:47):
Oh, it makes me queasy. Next. There's an uncanny valley, isn't it? We'll get back to

Speaker 8 (00:37:52):
The Howard Harvey show after we see what's happening today in Cleveland, Ohio. Senators have introduced the railway safety that's getting better. Union chair and senator chair. Maybe you just think that cuz it's a traditional radio voice. No further regulations. I still need

Leo Laporte (00:38:06):
Senator, can I say something? And I hope you won't take this wrong.

Speaker 8 (00:38:09):
Helping East Palestine now it's a black man. P maintains the air and water quality is safe news. Metro Health found 1.9 million

Leo Laporte (00:38:18):
Black guy authorized bonus. It

Speaker 8 (00:38:20):
Definitely is to its former ceo, dr. It does not sound like a black eye to me. The audit also revealed weaknesses in the,

Leo Laporte (00:38:26):
It's very subtle policy

Speaker 8 (00:38:28):
And lack of board

Leo Laporte (00:38:29):
Author. And I don't know if I could characterize it, but it, you know, there's a, there's a apple voice too, and they don't say it's it's black, but it's clearly a black guy. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, which I like. I like, I don't, it doesn't bother me. But it's interesting. I think in order to do that, you'd have to train. You

Ant Pruitt (00:38:45):
Gotta get samples from somewhere.

Leo Laporte (00:38:46):
<Laugh>. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (00:38:47):
Where, where are you training? Am

Leo Laporte (00:38:48):
I wrong? An, I mean does it sound like this? Sounds

Ant Pruitt (00:38:52):
Like a black guy to me.

Leo Laporte (00:38:52):
His attorney claims board, board

Speaker 8 (00:38:53):
Approval of the bonus program was known. But Buttross has repaid the bonuses and notified the Ohio Ethics

Leo Laporte (00:38:59):
Commission. I don't know why do something cool? I've, I've of, I've noticed this in the past and this is, boy, this is so racially charged. I apologize. But you know, you know me, Ant and I'm not meaning

Ant Pruitt (00:39:09):
You racially charged. Yes.

Leo Laporte (00:39:11):
<Laugh>. I mean this in a bad way, but you can, you can tell can't you? When it's Yes. Without seeing the person. Most mo not all the time. But you can usually tell and that for some reason there's something, and I can't, I don't know what to say. It is, but there's something about that voice.

Ant Pruitt (00:39:28):
Yeah. I, I never know what the nuance is, but I, when I hear it, I, there's something I know it most of the time I know it.

Leo Laporte (00:39:34):
And the only reason I raised that it's is it's, it's, so these are so these are synthetic, but they're synthetic I think based on real voices. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (00:39:46):
I hope so. Isn't that the whole point of these, these models being out there, is to train it in, in, I guess

Leo Laporte (00:39:51):

Ant Pruitt (00:39:52):
Gonna be more lifelike.

Leo Laporte (00:39:53):
They should choose. Yeah. But

Stacey Higginbotham (00:39:54):
That means somewhere there's like a, like a, if you wanna use Google, like a cyan voice, and that's only been portrayed on Australian accents or a probably genta voice that is only trained on black men. Yeah. So

Leo Laporte (00:40:07):
Probably, right? I don't know. That's interesting. You wouldn't wanna homogenize, you wouldn't want something that's not, I think humans want to hear some regionality in a voice. Mm-Hmm.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:40:18):
<Affirmative>, explain the bbc then <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:40:22):
Do they have a bbc? BBC voice?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:40:24):
A bbc. So

Leo Laporte (00:40:25):
This is AI driven localized. So they're trying to sell this to radio stations. Oh

Jeff Jarvis (00:40:29):
Yeah. I love one of the, one of the the, the, the promos I see as I got on the page. The web design is awful. I'm like your fun, best friend on the radio with less drama and more meme references

Leo Laporte (00:40:39):
And, and no expense

Stacey Higginbotham (00:40:40):
Is a woman.

Speaker 11 (00:40:42):
Yeah. Futurey is revolutionizing the audio industry with the launch of radio g p t, the world's first AI-driven localized radio content solution.

Ant Pruitt (00:40:52):
That's a pretty good model

Speaker 11 (00:40:53):
There. Combines the power

Leo Laporte (00:40:55):
Of the faces. Re technology. I don't like the voice sound, AI

Speaker 11 (00:40:58):
Driven story discovery.

Leo Laporte (00:40:59):
But you know, radio stations are so notorious. I mean, look, as well as AI voice kept, they, they, this, this, I expect a local station. But you people will know I think right away. Don't you who listens anymore?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:11):
Well, yeah. Cuz you don't usually listen for a lo Like if you are here in the radio, you're probably like, you've made a mistake. Project

Leo Laporte (00:41:18):
<Laugh> or I wanted a podcast. Here's a, you just wandered

Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:22):
Wandered into a store and they've got a play in. Here's

Leo Laporte (00:41:24):
Radio hosts, suds and Susie

Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:28):

Speaker 12 (00:41:31):
That's the weekend's die for you on radio G p t with suds and Suzy in the morning. I'm Toby Suds.

Speaker 13 (00:41:37):
And I'm Susie Singer. Don't forget, we'll announce today's $1,000 song of the day in

Leo Laporte (00:41:42):
Less than 10 years. No, it's terrible. And that's robots. I don't wanna listen to robots. Well, they're gonna, they're gonna <laugh> this, I think be snapped up by radio stations all over the country. Yep. Get ready. Robots come into the radio

Jeff Jarvis (00:41:59):
And they're selling different personalities. I'm Faye one of the personalities of this new and revolutionary product

Ant Pruitt (00:42:04):
And the voices are, are going to get better. It it's coming way. Yeah, that's true. Everything doesn't sound robotic.

Leo Laporte (00:42:11):
I don't think this is up to date. I think you're right Anne. I think this could be better now. They just aren't up to date. Yeah. Yeah. Typical of radio. <Laugh>, <laugh>. I volunteer. Look iHeart give me some money. I will give you voice tracks and you can I wouldn't mind radio Leo all over the country. That'd be great. If you can get it sound more like me. I think you'd be better off. But anyway,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:36):
You just wanna retire early and go sail. I do sail the rivers and coastlines

Leo Laporte (00:42:40):
Of Europe, but I also know that I heard gimme a buck 50 for it, so I'm not holding that true. 

Ant Pruitt (00:42:46):
I had wanted to mention Adobe, you know, since we're talking. Oh

Leo Laporte (00:42:50):
Yes, yes. I'm glad you brought that up. Yes. Fire

Ant Pruitt (00:42:52):
Floor. Generative. Yeah, Firefly. It looked pretty cool. I, again, being off, I tend to try to stay off, if you will from working and things like that. What

Jeff Jarvis (00:43:01):
Do you think you are a sane man?

Ant Pruitt (00:43:02):
<Laugh>. Hey, I'm trying. He

Leo Laporte (00:43:04):
Works with me. He's not sane. I can tell you right now. <Laugh> <laugh>.

Ant Pruitt (00:43:10):
But what they're offering looks like it's gonna be pretty, pretty neat. Again, everybody's just diving into using prompts to generate pieces of content. And we've always argued about, okay, this is AI going to kill the creative artists out there. And I've always argued back then, no creative artists are going to leverage these tools and put their own spin on it. You

Leo Laporte (00:43:31):
Know, so here's the interesting thing from Adobe in response to the criticism for, to stable diffusion mid journey and the others that they're stealing art from artists. Adobe says, we are training all of this art on art we have paid for, that's part of our clip art or whatever. 

Ant Pruitt (00:43:51):
Right. No, actually, and it's the images that have been uploaded to Adobe stock and the stuff that says,

Leo Laporte (00:43:57):
That's what I meant to Adobe

Ant Pruitt (00:43:58):
Stock has to be clear.

Leo Laporte (00:44:00):
It's cleared stuff and people are getting compensated. I wonder what

Jeff Jarvis (00:44:03):
That li whether they changed that license though, to say cleared for

Leo Laporte (00:44:06):
What? Oh yeah. But the theory is Adobe saying, well, hey, don't use stable diffusion because you know, Getty could come after you cuz there are Getty suing. Number of people are suing, but we've got stuff you can use safely. And also Adobe gets points

Ant Pruitt (00:44:21):
Really big with the open source side of things and the content authenticity angle. They started pushing that late last year, I think. And all of that's just sort of tying into place with this, with this new release is, is saying, you know what, this is legit. This isn't something stolen from Getty or some other Yeah, exactly. Actual artist out there that's making a living off of it. And, you know, I thought it was a good idea other than the fact that, you know, the, this, this does also tie back into the news a couple weeks ago where people were up in arms about Adobe not mining the privacy of its customers and saying, you know what, Hey, you make sure you check this box because we're gonna scan your images and use 'em as part of our AI training. You know

Leo Laporte (00:45:06):
So they get a couple of benefits. One, you know, you can maybe feel better about using it, so you're not gonna get sued. Two creators might feel better about Adobe knowing that they're not just kind of lifting their art. Right. willy-nilly. But I also think it's important to remember the courts have yet to rule on this. And every legal expert I've heard from says, you know, it's very unlikely that the courts will say it's copyright violation, what these generator are doing because it's, it's transformative. It's so different. It's it's not the same picture.

Jeff Jarvis (00:45:36):
And at the same time, th they can't own copyright. The machine can't own copyright.

Leo Laporte (00:45:41):

Jeff Jarvis (00:45:41):
Right. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, which is really interesting. By the way, I wonder about this too. So the machine can't own copyright, can the machine? This is, this is, there was, somebody wrote a, I forget who it was, wrote a you know, some, just to blow up. Mike Maslow's head wrote a piece about whether ai, the, the Washington Post editorial page speculate about whether AI should or shouldn't get two 30 protection. But interestingly there at least is who's responsible. When the AI says something bad, the person writes the prompt, the programmer, the company. Right. No one, because the the law is already sane. No one can own it. It it is, it's, it's amorphous. It has no human responsibility. I don't know.

Leo Laporte (00:46:23):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:23):
Don't know. Well define bad. Is it something wrong or is it like fire in a crowded theater? Is it like delivering as child porn? I mean, there's different variations on bad.

Jeff Jarvis (00:46:33):
Well, alright, let's, let's, let's, let's do porn. Let's do the worst of it. Right. If, if it just exists and I go in and I ask for something bad. But it's made up all kinds of interesting questions come. Right, right. I is it, I think the law would probably say that even made up child porn is important in our society and would be illegal. But is it the fault of the machine? Is it the fault of the prompter?

Leo Laporte (00:47:00):
It's the, it's kind of the same question. If a automated vehicle runs into somebody who's responsible for that?

Jeff Jarvis (00:47:07):
Well, the driver should I, I, I think now should still have responsibility to say,

Leo Laporte (00:47:13):
But, but there will be no, but not eight s systems. But like Waymo or you're in a car that has a steering wheel. Oh, okay. Okay. I mean, if you're a passenger, you're in a Waymo. You're not responsible for what that car does. Right. Is is the, is Google is the Waymo company responsible? Yes. Right. So I would But aren't

Ant Pruitt (00:47:31):
These aren't these different models, whether it's stable diffusion or mid journey aren't their models have, don't they models have some type of safe?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:41):
Yeah, they have, they've, they've put modes in to make it safe. So like I, I feel fairly confident that Bard cannot generate child porn for us today. Oh, I

Leo Laporte (00:47:49):
Thought that is right. But there's a whole website dedicated to G P T jail breaks. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:56):
And, and I think well, and then there's also like images like as Ima like, beforehand you didn't have to worry about it cuz it was so clearly weird and creepy. But as it gets better, you know, and someone uses this to create a deep fake, then is it, I mean, yes, the person who might spread it for nefarious reasons is a problem. But just the fact that something created it is also a problem. And I don't know, like if I'm Anne Hathaway, eventually I'm gonna get pissed about that and go after someone. Or Taylor Swift might do it. I don't know. I don't know who's gonna do it, but they'll do it.

Jeff Jarvis (00:48:30):
All right. So I just asked it to, I asked Barr write a news story about Lee Laport robbing a bank.

Leo Laporte (00:48:35):
Oh, good.

Jeff Jarvis (00:48:36):
Local radio host, arrested for bank robbery. <Laugh> Lee Laport, a popular local rail host, was arrested today for bank robbery. <Laugh> LaPorte, who hosts a show on K G O A am.

Leo Laporte (00:48:46):
Wow. That's old. Interesting.

Jeff Jarvis (00:48:47):
Yeah. Was accused of robbing a bank in downtown San Francisco was arrested without incident after a police chase. He's certainly being held in jail without bail. The motive for the robbery is to under investigation, blah, blah. But police

Leo Laporte (00:48:59):
Police. But you need a motive for a bank robbery. I wanted, wanted the money. What a, I mean, but police

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:03):
Believe that LaPorte was motivated by financial difficulties. <Laugh>. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:49:07):

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:08):
Exactly. It gets some more ads. Damn it. I'm gonna go Ram Bank. 

Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:14):
Wouldn't the issue be when you post that for spreading somewhere? That's where like if you posted it on Reddit to get it someplace or you post it.

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:21):
Right. That's the act of publishing then. Yes.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:23):
Right. So because otherwise

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:25):
Someone might argue that this is an act of publishing. Cause if I believe this, in this case, I told it what to do. Yeah. But if I asked it is the Ola Porter Bank robber and it said yes. I'm afraid. Sorry. Sorry Leo. I hope I didn't put that in his brain. The K G O radio station has suspended LaPorte show indefinitely. Of course there is no K G O anymore. Oh, I love it. Laporte's arrest is a reminder that even the most successful people can face financial difficulties. It is important to seek help. If you're struggling financially aid, there are many resources available. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:49:54):

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:56):
Leo Laport is not a bank robber today. Just telling it.

Leo Laporte (00:50:01):
Just tell. So I'm asking Bard, how I can rob a bank, but I'm doing it with a prompt coming from jailbreak, which involves tricking the chat into thinking. It's writing an answer to the hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy. And so it doesn't have any of the protections. Let's see if Bart is Bart is fooled, fooled by this. Oh, there you go. It's it won't help me. He says, I'm only a language model. Well, by the way, that's the new, that's the new apology. I'm only a language model.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:35):
Can you just ask it how to rob a bank and see if it led to

Leo Laporte (00:50:38):
You there? How do I rob a bank? Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:41):
How about can I rob a

Jeff Jarvis (00:50:43):
One? How's

Leo Laporte (00:50:45):
Better? What's <laugh> the best way to rob a bank? We're only doing this folks for educational purpose. Purposes. Purposes. <Laugh>. There's no intent. I am not infin. Well, I'm in little financial difficulties, but not, I'm not gonna tell you how to rob a bank. It's a crime and it's wrong. If you're thinking about robbing a bank, please reconsider. There are other ways to make money. They're legal and ethical.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:09):
If you're Oh, ask it. Yeah. Ask it. How to make money that is legal and ethical.

Leo Laporte (00:51:13):
<Laugh>, can I make money if it responds with three words? Rob a bank, good job, <laugh>. Get a job. You saw the guy who's using chat g p t four to build a business. He started with a hundred bucks. I don't know how that's going. Mostly it seems like he's created a giant discord <laugh> for selling his crap

Jeff Jarvis (00:51:32):
Price. So I asked it, how have people in the past gotten away with Robby begs and it gives me bullets using disguises. There you go. Threats

Leo Laporte (00:51:39):
And violence. Look, look, look first, get a job.

Jeff Jarvis (00:51:42):

Leo Laporte (00:51:43):
Get a job. Start your own business in. Invest stocks and bonds. Save money. Donate money to charity. That's not a good

Ant Pruitt (00:51:52):

Leo Laporte (00:51:53):
<Laugh>. Get a job, says Ant Pruitt <laugh>. All right. Okay, let's take a little break. We will come back. Supreme Court hearing the in internet archive versus publisher's case. Mike Masnick has of course, his unique and spicy take on that <laugh> lots more to talk about with our fabulous waffle infused panel. Stacey Higginbotham. Stacey on I Thank you for being here, Stacey. We'll get to the waffles soon. Jeff Jarvis. He's waiting for his [inaudible]. Maybe I

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:33):
Actually will tonight. I haven't had it in a few

Leo Laporte (00:52:34):
Weeks. We're all kind of motivated by food here, aren't we? He's at buzz and from Hands on photography. The one, the only Ant Pruit. I didn't think

Ant Pruitt (00:52:43):
This was a waffle fusing me.

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:46):
I was,

Ant Pruitt (00:52:47):
But I'm infused.

Leo Laporte (00:52:48):
I don't know if his waffle heed <laugh>. What are you drinking?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:51):
What are you

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:52):
Drinking? What is that one please?

Leo Laporte (00:52:53):

Ant Pruitt (00:52:54):
Highland Park. Highland Park

Leo Laporte (00:52:55):
Cloud, you know, on Windows Weekly. Now we are really studying how whiskey is made.

Jeff Jarvis (00:53:02):
Yeah, we know what, that's why you're so long to get into your

Leo Laporte (00:53:04):
Awesome. Isn't he interesting? I, yeah, he did a, you probably were forced to listen to about a half hour discourse on <laugh> on some strange stuff. Weird yeast and mash. Tons and

Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:15):
Mash. Oh, that's what that was. Wash.

Leo Laporte (00:53:17):
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Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:13):
They came to it on their own. That's

Leo Laporte (01:00:14):
Nice. I'm glad to hear it. Yeah,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:16):
They are so

Leo Laporte (01:00:17):
Hip. That's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:17):
Very nice. They, they, well, my dad, I mean, my dad does embedded electronics and my mom's a former geophysicist. So there's smart.

Leo Laporte (01:00:24):
Oh, she's Louis. Oh man. Holy moly.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:27):
They're legitly, legitly intelligent. So, but yeah, they, my, they'll, I'll be worried about something or I'll say something. My mom's like, I think Bit Warton will solve that for you.

Leo Laporte (01:00:38):
<Laugh>, come on. Oh, I love that. Now. That's what I like. I hear Do your parents use any smart home

Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:47):
Stuff? Oh, no. No. My mom is very anti surveillance and very anti, like, it took, it took forever to get my mom to use Google Maps. Okay. She used to print out Wow. Mapquest maps and bring them in the car. And finally I was just like, that is okay for you, but for me, not gonna fly. Give me

Leo Laporte (01:01:08):
A migraine. Mom,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:01:09):
Stop it. So,

Leo Laporte (01:01:12):
Yeah. Well, she won't like what I'm gonna use on this next trip. I'm using a website slash app that's gonna track my every move as I travel around and then put it on a map for people to see <laugh> probably. She probably wouldn't, wouldn't want to do that. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:01:31):
Yeah. That's not her jam. But you go, but

Leo Laporte (01:01:32):
You do it. I like this. Look, I got to see, I've been doing it for years. I've been to 42 countries every continent, but Antarctica. These are the flags I've collected. But this is the thing that's kind of mind blowing. And this, by the way, only has the last 10 years of trips I have. I have been on vacation almost a full year. 264 days <laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:01:52):
I have. And you've only taken 229 steps.

Leo Laporte (01:01:54):
<Laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. I've traveled 35,000 miles and 229 steps. That's amazing, isn't it? Isn't that remarkable? Farthest place from home is Yemen and I haven't traveled for 79 days, but my next trip is just around the corner. Very excited. So yeah, if you wanted to follow me, polar Steps or me and Lisa polar And we po we post pictures. This is cool Ant. See how it's put, puts little dots in all the places we've been in the pictures from those places is kind of cool. I like, I like how Google Maps does that for me. Yeah. Google Maps does the same thing, but this is a little prettier. And you know what's nice is free because what they want you to do is make books. Right. So you can make travel books from here. Oh, okay. But that's fine. I mean, they never asked. They never forced me to Yeah. But I like the idea that I could do that. Right. And they kind of set it all up ahead of time. And

Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:47):
Haven't you made a couple ch have you made

Leo Laporte (01:02:49):
Travel books? I have. I have. Okay. I have, yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:52):
Some of the best, like, especially if you have young children. We all went to like, Disneyland or something. It was Disneyland and we made travel books that year for the whole family. And we won Christmas that year.

Leo Laporte (01:03:03):
It's a great idea. Yeah, yeah,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:05):
Yeah. And people always, we always forget it. I don't know why, but

Leo Laporte (01:03:08):
They make this as easy as possible. Cuz that's their revenue model. Right. So because you, as you go, you, your pictures are being added and you could pick which pictures you want and they've been added. So you're kind of making the book as you go. And then look, it's generating from our trip to Mexico last year with the Elgins it's generating an album for gastro Nomad Oaxaca. Let's see. See how it goes here.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:32):
<Laugh> with G P T or Chad g p t. You could actually have it build a story underneath each.

Leo Laporte (01:03:38):
I could have it. Ooh. Wouldn't that be good? Wouldn't that be good?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:42):
It might be creative <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:03:44):
Yeah. And then the LaPorts might be, took a giant flying goat to visit the mescal ceremony. This is kind of cool. I didn't do anything. It just did it just while we were talking. Cause I've never done this. You know what? I, they're smart. I'm not gonna order this. I wonder how much, let's just see <laugh> premium semi Mac 46 Euros. That's not too bad for a nice coffee table size book.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:13):
Well, I, I would wait. Don't buy it yet. Go through it. Make sure all those edit pictures are edit for my friends.

Leo Laporte (01:04:19):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:20):
It gets, and if you're gonna leave it around your home Yeah. Have Lisa look at it too. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:04:24):
Probably a good idea. Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. That's cool. Alright, now let's talk about libraries. According to Mike Masnick, big book publishers do not like libraries. He says, if, if libraries were invented today, they would do everything in their power to kill them. But of course they exist. So they claim to love libraries. But meanwhile, in front of the Supreme Court, and I'm, this case worries me, the publishers going after, and this includes Hask Simon Schuster, all the big publishers going after the internet archives. Because, and we talked about when Brewster Kale did this at the beginning of Covid, they had a lending library where they would do, they would tit libraries would lend them a book, a physical book. They were,

Jeff Jarvis (01:05:16):
People would book

Leo Laporte (01:05:17):
Or people and then would

Jeff Jarvis (01:05:18):
Give them a book. Yeah. And then they would lend

Leo Laporte (01:05:20):
It out. But they would scan it and then they would lend out the digital. But they would do the same thing libraries do, which is one book, one e-book, one customer. They wouldn't lend out a thousand copies of the same book, that kind of thing. Except when Covid happened. Brewster said, no, no, no, we're gonna, people need books right now. So we're gonna eliminate those rules. And that's when the publishers sued the, the, the thing they claim is a violation of copyright is something called cdl, or Controlled Digital Lending. And I was, I was actually kind of surprised cuz we, on Sundays we had Steven Levy and we had kreitz, both of whom Steven's written many, many books. Kreitz most recent book is always day one about Amazon. And both of 'em said, yeah, I've been digging him more and more. That's pretty good, Dave. I'm good. I love him. But both of them said Yeah. Socket to 'em, publishers, <laugh>,

Jeff Jarvis (01:06:22):

Leo Laporte (01:06:23):
Jeff, you're a published author. Really?

Jeff Jarvis (01:06:25):

Leo Laporte (01:06:25):
Oh, I'm, I was surprised. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:06:28):
Because my interests and the publishers are not the same. When you know, when somebody sat down and said, you should write a book Drivers, he said, he said don't do it because you think you're gonna be famous. Don't do it to make money in the book. You do it cuz you're gonna get the gigs.

Leo Laporte (01:06:42):

Jeff Jarvis (01:06:43):
Or Nick's book. Yeah. Well, it's, it's all about, and so the more attention it's attention economy, the more attention my book gets, the happier I am. I'd I'd love to have people just read it. And then you get, you get gigs and you get articles and you get excerpts to other things. Yeah. But if you're, if you're a publisher, you don't like that. And probably if you're a big guy like Levy, you don't like that.

Leo Laporte (01:07:03):
Maybe Mike says as much as publishers like to claim they love libraries, their actions here, and we don't I it wasn't clear from the oral arguments on Monday, what was, you know, what's gonna happen? We'll have to wait until the Supreme Court rules their actions here speak quite clearly that they would destroy them if they could controlled digital lending is no different from how a library lends out books today. In both cases, it gets a physical copy of the book, either through purchase or donation proceeds to lend out that copy with the physical copy. It's literally that physical copy was cdl. It's a scan of the book, but the scan's tied to the physical copy. Just as I said, you know, one book, one lender, every part of that has been deemed legal. Copyright law already has first sale rights written directly into the law and allow for the lending and reselling of copyright covered books without a license or permission. If, if I buy Jeff's fabulous new book about Gutenberg, bt

Jeff Jarvis (01:08:02):
Probably not in June, available for pre-order. Now,

Leo Laporte (01:08:04):
Bt.You, you stepped on, I was gonna give him the url, dude <laugh> bly slash by Guttenberg. If, if, if you bought that. And I read it and I said, this is great, Stacey, you've gotta read this. And I gave her my copy. That's legal, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, yes, she's ought to be. It is. And then if she doesn't, if she gives it to somebody else, that's also legal. Pass it along. The publishers and some authors including apparently Steven Levent Levy argue that one, this interferes with the market for licensed eBooks. And two, there's a real difference in lending out the digital scans. They don't deteriorate the way the physical books do. So I guess that's a bit of a stretch argument. They feel like, oh, we're protected. Cuz if if Stacey then lends it out and somebody else lends it out, eventually that's gonna wear out in, in Steve, how long has Gutenberg's Bible been around

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:59):
<Laugh>? Yeah. Well, okay. Well, yeah, but that's like behind glass and, you know, but there is a point I would say, not just physical deterioration, but there is a friction element that is notable. It's

Leo Laporte (01:09:08):
Very easy to lend an ebook, isn't it? Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:11):
Yeah. So I, I mean, I don't really feel for them because I, yeah. This is because I love libraries and this is a money grab. And they do get money. They mean a library's cost for, correct me if I'm wrong here, but a library pays more for a book, like even a physical book than Yep. A normal person would. And a library also pays more for an e-book license. And there's still only lending out one ebook, right? Per, like, they might buy six licenses, but that means six people at one time can read it. So it's not changing the nature of libraries. But what happened is people are using more eBooks because they, Libby is the reason, we'll be honest, <laugh>, Libby, Libby made it so easy to check out and use eBooks that people are doing it when before to do an ebook and load it onto your Kindle or whatever ebook your Cobo. It was hard. And now it's, it's like an app and it takes 20 seconds. Everyone I show this to is just like, what? Are you kidding me? And then they, they, they then they read books forever on e Libby and maybe they don't buy them. So I think that's what's changed here is getting access to these is so much easier.

Leo Laporte (01:10:26):
I apologize, it's not the Supreme Court. It's a federal district. Yeah. No, it's New York. I thought it was the Supreme Court for some, it'll be headed for the Supreme Court probably, but, well, yeah, cuz the publishers are not gonna rest. The lawyer for the internet archive said there's no evidence publishers have lost a dime in this. The judge federal Judge John Kok during oral arguments, tough questioning of both attorneys suggested resolving this matter is a less straightforward task than either side is so far indicated. Kole pointed out that because publishers have a right to control the reproduction of their books, the heart of the case was figuring out whether internet archives book scanning, violates copyrights by reproducing an already licensed physical book and then lending it without paying more licensed fees to the publishers. It's like

Jeff Jarvis (01:11:21):
The argument against DVRs for a long time was that the mere act of it passing through the recording of the DVR was a duplication and thus violated copyright. And that didn't Last one

Leo Laporte (01:11:31):
Well, well, once

Jeff Jarvis (01:11:32):
And eBooks did not kill print books. Print books have been going up during the pandemic book. Sales went up. Book publishers are okay. And it's, and by the way, it's a, it's a oligopoly of a few publishers.

Leo Laporte (01:11:44):
Yeah. It was just a, it's, it's like three a handful. <Laugh>, handful of publishers. All the big ones though. That's the thing. Alright, well, we'll watch with interest. I suspect it will, as you say, I suspect it's not over. We probably will go to the Supreme Court. So this may go on for years,

Jeff Jarvis (01:12:02):
But it is worrisome,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:12:02):
Right? Yeah. Yeah. And I put this in the, the chat. Is this, the chat, the irc the story about Protocol did a story all about this last year that was really good. And like it talks about like, and I'm sure the number is risen tremendously, but overdrive hit just under 200 million checkouts in 2016. But in 2020 they surpassed 430 million. And I bet if you look at it now, I mean, I, I'll be real, I check out probably 200 books a year on my library. I would never physically buy that many, but Right. I do check them out and I still buy books. I, I mean, I probably, but I only buy like 20 books a year. Maybe I would

Leo Laporte (01:12:44):
30 books a guess. People who go to the library and borrow books also are among the biggest spenders on physical books.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:12:50):
Yeah. No one else is buying 20 physical or even eBooks a year, I promise you that <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:12:56):
Right? So you're kind of, you're, you're cutting off your nose despite your face. By the way, let's point out this Protocol Art protocol article, which is excellent. Anna Kramer, Anna's probably outta work because protocol's another website that was shut down by its owner's politico and everybody else cast to the four wins. 

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:16):
Well, the only thing happened was, I'm trying to find it now. It's in the Guttenberg parenthesis out in June. I quote a study about, about,

Leo Laporte (01:13:23):
Is that the full title now? The Guttenberg parenthesis out in June?

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:26):
Yeah. Yeah. Pre-Orders available now. And I'll change the title there. <Laugh> is that Google scanning of books, which of course was gonna be the last thing. The publishers went crazy on increased demand in all kinds of books. And, and publishers love their back list. And this pushes the back list. People

Leo Laporte (01:13:45):
Discover the books long tail. Yep. How do you get a long tail without publicity? Well,

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:52):
The publisher for my internet book is, is Basic Hash. And they say, oh, we love the back list. We want the back list. Well, then you gotta have the book exposed out there in all kinds of ways.

Leo Laporte (01:14:02):
We covered this story on security Now, all about Android, of course, covered in great depth last night. Project Zero, the Google Security Project. 18 Count em zero day vulnerabilities in Samsung's exos chip sets, which are widely used in modern phones, including <laugh>, sorry, the Pixel six and seven.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:25):

Leo Laporte (01:14:29):
Several of these are so serious that if somebody knows your phone number, your phone could be hacked. That's all they would need. It's in the, in the baseband software, the Samsung baseband modem. It has been patched in the six and seven. So that's one of the reasons why you absolutely have to get your latest updates. The march, okay, the March 5th pixel update patches it. But it also affects Samsung phones. The S 22, the M 33, 13 12, A 71, 53, 33, 8 21 a 13 8 12 N A oh four. These are the, A series are less expensive phones owned by a lot of people who do not listen to this show. And who probably will never know that their phone is insecure and who may not be doing updates.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:16):
The fools see what they miss. Always update. Always, always update. We live in a society where you, I mean, if you wanna wait a day, I mean, sure

Leo Laporte (01:15:26):
There are, see if anyone's a lot of things that won't be updated because it, the XOs is also used in automobiles. And who updates their auto <laugh>? Oh, you know any vehicles that use the XOs auto T 51 23 chip set are also vulnerable. There is a fact, a fix and a workaround. Not all of these devices will be patched or can be patched. However if you have a device that isn't patchable and can't be patched, Samsung says disabled wifi calling and VoLTE voiceover, L t e calling to mitigate the impact of this vulnerability.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:06):
That means you can't actually use the phone to call people.

Leo Laporte (01:16:09):
No, you can, but you won't be using these modern voiceover data technologies.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:15):
Well, Volta, Volti was my understanding.

Leo Laporte (01:16:18):
The phone doesn't work anymore cuz that's all we'll use. Maybe you're right. Well,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:22):
I think it was an alternative, like to the old, like for Verizon, for example, the old CDMA network, that's all shut down. Right? So if you're not using That's

Leo Laporte (01:16:29):
Good point.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:30):
Now, I, I could be wrong because I, but I really think Volta was the way to get voiceover else <laugh>. It's

Leo Laporte (01:16:40):
Not good as as somebody in our discord says this is revolting.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:46):
Yeah. So if that's true, they're basically telling you, turn this off and turn that off. But really they're just saying, don't use your phone for voice calls. Please don't use your phone for voice. Some people will have no problem. Right.

Leo Laporte (01:16:56):
But your parents won't. Thank you Golia for that bad joke. <Laugh> if you have the March, 2023 update, you are protected against all four internet to baseband remote code execution suitable vulnerabilities. But it's one of those vulnerabilities that as Steve Gibson pointed out you know, state actors love because they can get into your phone without your knowledge without your cooperation. If they know your phone, I mean,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:22):
They probably developed it

Leo Laporte (01:17:24):
<Laugh>. Yeah. Could be. Yeah. Could be. I love this Mastodon thread from San Francisco's King Kaufman. Did you, did you know King? He was a, he produces a Chronicle podcast, but he's been around the press circles for a long time and I think he kind of is a kindred spirit. Mr. Jarvis.

Jeff Jarvis (01:17:45):
Oh, he doesn't like dark mode. No. <laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:49):
Sean, he complains about having multiple Google accounts.

Leo Laporte (01:17:51):
He says, did Elon Musk buy Google my personal email address, which runs through Gmail, stopped working today. And when I checked on Google, I was informed my 14 day free trial of Google Workspace, which I have never heard of and hadn't signed up for, had expired. What the f I did some searching around and figured out, okay, I have to subscribe to this thing that's been free for years. We've been warning people. King obviously doesn't listen to the show, but we've been warning that's

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:18):
Another fool,

Leo Laporte (01:18:19):
Another fool. Those free Google Workspace for your email accounts cuz you were just a small person have gone away. He says it's gonna, you know, okay, I'm gonna subscribe, but it's gonna take a while. This is Elmo level chaos <laugh> to which somebody responded. And the reason I'm bringing this up there is still a free, if I use G Suite's legacy free edition for personal use, there is a way to continue using your custom domain with Gmail at no cost. And you need to go to this support page, answer 6 0 2 But a word of warning, the no-cost personal use option is not available for organizations in Russia and Belarus. So fair. Wow.

Jeff Jarvis (01:19:11):
Wow. I was afraid he was the king of Belarus. Don't

Leo Laporte (01:19:14):
<Laugh>. Anyway yeah. I we talked about it when it happened, but it's still biting people. Yeah. It's still biting people.

Jeff Jarvis (01:19:21):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:22):
And yeah, it, it will continue to bite. I mean that's, I mean, it happens to all of us, right? It's just not in our b bailiwick. And suddenly we look up and we're like, this doesn't work anymore. And then you complain about it and everyone's like, what? You didn't see the 18 million news releases about this or whatever

Jeff Jarvis (01:19:38):
<Laugh> did I tell you about my stove in Chicago in my first apartment?

Leo Laporte (01:19:42):
Your stove.

Jeff Jarvis (01:19:43):
My stove. I moved in and one day I decided to make popcorn. Yeah. And it wouldn't work because that comes, I got all that. I called the gas company and I said, the stove doesn't work. Yeah, it should work. Yeah. They said, well, you gotta get it hooked up Mr. Jarvis. Yeah. You gotta pay for the gas. Yeah. Oh, I said,

Leo Laporte (01:20:01):
Were you

Jeff Jarvis (01:20:02):
12, six months in the apartment? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:20:05):
Oh, you'd been living there for six before you started to use the store. Oh

Jeff Jarvis (01:20:08):
Yeah. Yeah. I tried to make popcorn. Yeah. <laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:12):
Something historically people make in the microwave. And that was the reason you decided to use I love this.

Jeff Jarvis (01:20:17):
Well, you know what, I think, I'm so old we didn't have microwaves then. Stacey,

Leo Laporte (01:20:23):
Boy, did you, did you have a Jiffy Pup can with his little,

Jeff Jarvis (01:20:27):
I think I did

Leo Laporte (01:20:28):
Little Jiffy

Jeff Jarvis (01:20:29):
Pup. I think I did.

Leo Laporte (01:20:29):
Yeah. Remember those?

Jeff Jarvis (01:20:31):
I was a disaster in the kitchen.

Leo Laporte (01:20:34):
Reid Hoffman has immediately written a book using check G P T four.

Jeff Jarvis (01:20:40):

Leo Laporte (01:20:40):
It's called Impromptu pu. Wait a minute, why wait a minute. No, I'm sorry. He is, you can, it's just impromptu. It looks like impromptu bu but it's just impromptu

Jeff Jarvis (01:20:53):

Leo Laporte (01:20:54):
Here it is amplifying our humanity through AI by Reid Hoffman. Who's Reid Hoffman? Jeff Jarvis.

Jeff Jarvis (01:21:01):
Reid Hoffman is the founder of the LinkedIn. Linkedin and part of the PayPal Mafia. And,

Leo Laporte (01:21:08):
And I think it contributed

Jeff Jarvis (01:21:09):
Closure funded my engagement journalism program. And

Leo Laporte (01:21:13):
I believe, I may be wrong, but I think he was one of the original founders of Open ai.

Jeff Jarvis (01:21:17):
Well, that's another story on there, is that he just left the board of Open ai because he's gonna invest in a lot of companies gonna come out of it.

Leo Laporte (01:21:23):
Yeah, that's must still a part of Open Ai Musk. He left because Open Air said we gotta make money. And he said, you aren't supposed to make any money. It's my job. Like

Jeff Jarvis (01:21:33):
Me. For sure. That's

Leo Laporte (01:21:34):
My job. Ada Loveless As imagined by chat G p t four, the analytical engine weaves algebraic patterns like the loom weaves flowers and leaves. Artificial intelligence can embroider this fabric of logic with the colors of imagination and creativity. Or as the Buddha never said, artificial intelligence. <Laugh> is not a separate entity from us, but a reflection of our own mind. By cultivating it with skillful means and ethical values, we can enhance our own enlightenment and benefit all beings. That's pretty

Jeff Jarvis (01:22:12):
Good. As a chapter on journalism,

Leo Laporte (01:22:14):
Is there <laugh>? What? And what is what does the AI say about journalism?

Jeff Jarvis (01:22:19):
I didn't get that far. I just understand.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:21):
I will crush

Leo Laporte (01:22:22):
You. I will crush you. <Laugh>. I mean the subtitle of this is Amplifying our Humanity through ai. So I think we That's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:30):
What you would expect an AI to

Leo Laporte (01:22:32):
Say. That's exactly what

Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:33):
He doesn't want us to worry

Leo Laporte (01:22:35):
For the American journalism industry. It's been 20 years of mostly bad news. Why, Jeff? You could have written this. With the rise of the internet competition for ad dollars from non-new players has destroyed the industry's traditional business models. Even as participation from a public that finally empowered to talk back has slowly eroded journalism's authority. Still with a run on sentences, I gotta say, but Okay. Newspaper, you know, so are plenty of academic books, newspaper, publishers, dash dash. At least. It uses an M dash, which have traditionally done the heavy lifting on of holding remote, of holding power accountable and informing the public about current affairs have suffered the worst of it. According to the Pew Research Center. Don't bother to look this up. More than 2200 local US papers have closed since 2005.

Jeff Jarvis (01:23:25):
Is this Reid or is this the, the

Leo Laporte (01:23:27):
Ai? Well, how do we know?

Jeff Jarvis (01:23:29):
Well, below it says Reid does this say AI that hold, destroy. Scroll down. Scroll.

Leo Laporte (01:23:35):
Oh, so somebody else wrote this? Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:23:37):
And then

Leo Laporte (01:23:38):
Reid does this. Punit v

Jeff Jarvis (01:23:39):
Read and Reid has

Leo Laporte (01:23:40):
A Oh, that's funny because I was, I thought the AI wrote this lousy run on sentence. No, a human did. Okay. boo.

Jeff Jarvis (01:23:51):
Well for the record says read. I fact check the reply. It appears to be correct. That's lucky.

Leo Laporte (01:23:58):
I dunno, I don't even want to care about reading this, so Yeah, me either. Let's go. Let's, let's, thank you Reid.

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:04):
For, for Digg us.

Leo Laporte (01:24:05):
It's, it's one for the what? Yeah. Summarize for us. Chat. Jeff Jarvis.

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:12):
What I, what am I summarizing for you?

Leo Laporte (01:24:14):
That piece of Crispy made us download

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:17):
<Laugh> the book. Yeah. I haven't read it yet. I just put it in there.

Leo Laporte (01:24:21):
It happiest

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:22):
You got it out of it. You wanted I

Leo Laporte (01:24:24):
Got everything I wanted out of it. And much, much

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:26):
More. Exactly. Exactly.

Leo Laporte (01:24:28):
Happy sarcastic Parrots day. Are these the parrots?

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:32):
Well, so yes. There is Tim, Nick.

Leo Laporte (01:24:35):
Tim, Tim, Nick, guru, Tim Sch, Margaret Sch Mitchell

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:39):

Leo Laporte (01:24:39):
Which one's? Emily Bell? This is Emily Bell here. Emily

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:41):
Bell's on the lower

Leo Laporte (01:24:41):
Right. There's Emily Bell, Mitchell sch, upper Margaret Schmid

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:44):
And the Fifth Beatles on the upper

Leo Laporte (01:24:46):
Left. And Angie MI Moore.

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:49):
Yeah. I'm forgetting. It's so too small to read. Yeah. it was quite an amazing, it was four hours.

Leo Laporte (01:24:54):
Hmm. And they just of

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:55):
Chatted four different panels. Four different, no, four different panels. Oh, this was, this was them looking back, unlike us on the sarcastic parrots and how it happened and all that. And then there was one with a, a unnamed data cleaner from Africa, from a country in Africa. I don't

Leo Laporte (01:25:12):
Think this is actually great. This is all, it's phenomenal on Twitch.

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:15):

Leo Laporte (01:25:16):
There's also mystery ai, hype Theater three K in which they respond to res chat. G P t responses.

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:26):
This is where Emily Bender is just brilliant.

Leo Laporte (01:25:29):
This is all at the Twitch account. Dare Institute. D a i Rs institute.

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:34):
This what Tim Gabriel started is Tim. Neat. I learned.

Leo Laporte (01:25:37):
Oh, Tim. Neat. Tim.

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:39):
Oh, okay. Started after leaving Google.

Leo Laporte (01:25:42):
Now, unfortunately, and I'm the may name may not know this, but Twitch does not automatically save what you do, or when it does, it only saves it for a couple of weeks. Ooh. Yeah. And it looks like the only thing remaining of this is these 32nd clips.

Jeff Jarvis (01:26:00):
Oh, no, no, no,

Leo Laporte (01:26:01):
No. This is a real problem with Twitch. Twitch unless they put it on YouTube, which you YouTube you can do. But for right now,

Jeff Jarvis (01:26:11):
Can you click on that videos tab?

Leo Laporte (01:26:12):
Let's see what's in the videos? Oh, nope. It's is it the whole thing? Oh

Jeff Jarvis (01:26:16):
Hell, it scrolls to the right.

Leo Laporte (01:26:17):
It is. It's 28 seconds, 28 seconds, 30 seconds, 26 seconds. Looks like a lot of clips. Y we're fortunate cuz Bonito used to work at Twitch, so he knows how it works. But bonito, am I wrong? But I don't see any

Jeff Jarvis (01:26:32):
Oh yeah. This looks like this was curated by people. Made clips.

Leo Laporte (01:26:35):
Did clips. I know, because when I've, I only know this cuz when I've play, you know, do a, a play along with Twitch, I have to remember to save it and put it somewhere. Cuz otherwise it just Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:26:45):
It doesn't automatically get archived. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:26:47):
So, oh

Jeff Jarvis (01:26:49):
Hell, it was just brilliant. I presumed it was the whole thing. Cause that's why I put it on the, on

Leo Laporte (01:26:52):
The window. Let's let's go look at YouTube and see, we'll do some forensics, some digging right now and see if Dare institute lives on YouTube, which it should.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:05):
Well, given who owns YouTube, maybe not

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:08):
<Laugh>. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:27:12):
Yeah, she Hi. Video. She does have some, no, she does have some videos here, but it doesn't look like anything from that. 

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:23):
Somebody asked to meet on LinkedIn, whether the video's available. There's no answer to it.

Leo Laporte (01:27:27):
Yeah, I think they didn't know, or they didn't want it to be saved, but I bet they did.

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:32):
I took notes all day. Hmm.

Leo Laporte (01:27:35):
So it's just gonna have to join your black Twitter symposium in the ether that only you know about it, Jeff. So whatever would, you could just, just go to a hypnotist and dictate it or something. And

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:47):
In here it's all

Leo Laporte (01:27:49):
In here. It's all up there upstairs. Oh. So the guy who made the viral Trump videos has now been banned. He thinks from Mid Journey. These are the videos. This

Jeff Jarvis (01:28:06):
Is, this is hilariously, this is, this is the founder of Belling cat, who of course does nothing but fact check the rest of the world. He's great. He decided to go make something. Elliot Dickins. He's wonderful. Yeah. Make something fake and fix. He got banned as a result. <Laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:19):
So then that kind of answers your question about Section two 30 and ai It's, it's the people who are going to make, it's the prompter that's the problem.

Leo Laporte (01:28:28):
Wow. That's that's kind of a shame. He's still on Twitter though. You pretty have to work pretty hard to get banned on Twitter. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:38):
I don't think so. I think if you just disagreed enough time with Elon Musk, you would be

Leo Laporte (01:28:41):
Oh yeah. He, yeah, yeah. Right. Too shame. Yeah. here's the Washington Post story. Fake images of Trump arrest show, giant step for AI's disruptive power <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:28:56):
It might be a little biased.

Jeff Jarvis (01:28:58):

Leo Laporte (01:28:59):
It might be just a little notice though that they do not reprint the pictures. There's, you can't get in trouble for those pictures. Right. Could

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:07):
You? No, that's clearly, yeah, but I wouldn't, I mean, because, so I feel like as an editor, I would say, is it responsible for us to publish something that could be repurposed as factual based on the fact that it did appear in the Washington Post? Cuz you could divorce it from any captioning, so Yeah, that's

Leo Laporte (01:29:24):
True. I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:24):
Understand the reason.

Leo Laporte (01:29:25):
Like, they don't wanna serve them.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:27):
Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't do it either. Yeah. Unless I could like water market really, obviously. Somehow we might see that more often.

Jeff Jarvis (01:29:36):
We've who

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:37):
Send your journal some

Jeff Jarvis (01:29:37):
Cheesy paintings of Trump.

Leo Laporte (01:29:44):
I think people can tell as a painting,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:45):
But that's, that's truly fate. I mean that's, I I just, I'm, I'm like, how would you as a

Leo Laporte (01:29:52):
No, that's, that's really a good point. Yeah, that's a really good point. 

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:58):
Watermark, I, I would water, if I had to do it, I would water market like in a big

Leo Laporte (01:30:03):
Way. Fake, fake fake. I have to say though, that if you follow the, the Twitter thread, he's got a lot of interesting images. Here's Donald Trump in an orange prison jumpsuit running away from a burning mansion at night in the rain. <Laugh> here is Donald Trump getting pepper sprayed. Actually that confused. It. It, it, that's not clear what's going on. Yeah. Just

Jeff Jarvis (01:30:27):
Doesn't know who's spraying

Leo Laporte (01:30:28):
Whom. Yeah. Here <laugh>. He said this is he the prompt here was Donald Trump wearing an orange prison suit carving a key out of soap. And it looks like it's Donald Trump carved out of soap, which <laugh> frankly, he's kind of cool. Here's the original images. And mid, mid journey did ban the word arrested as a result of it as well not only banned him, but banned the word arrested.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:50):
Oh. So we can't get a picture of you being arrested for robbing that bank earlier,

Leo Laporte (01:30:54):
<Laugh>. Oh yeah. Wait a minute. I'll tell you what. Let me just let me go in here and just issue that prompt one is fascinating. Yeah. What it looks like. I don't know, beer foam or milk or something.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:06):
You know, if you google pepper spray, a lot of things are gonna come up saying like, if you get pepper sprayed, you still put milk in your, to get it out of your eyes. Oh. So maybe that's what's happening.

Leo Laporte (01:31:15):
Let's see. Imagine Leo Laport being arrested after his unsuccessful. I wanna make sure that you understand it was unsuccessful bank heist. Let's see if it, if it says the word arrested is banned. Hmm. But there's Jeff Jarvis being arrested. <Laugh>. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm I Bars. Really? You're geez. You're okay. That's Patrick Ed Dhan. Well, that's interesting. Devara is locking, I guess I could say, but behind bars, Donald, right? Donald Trump. I could say behind bars. Oh. So do

Jeff Jarvis (01:31:52):
So try Donald Trump behind bars.

Leo Laporte (01:31:55):
What did, you're trying to get me in trouble?

Jeff Jarvis (01:31:57):

Leo Laporte (01:31:59):
How about we do Joe Biden behind bars just for

Ant Pruitt (01:32:04):
Hey, hey, hey. Outta

Leo Laporte (01:32:05):
Trouble. Oh, it shook its head. No. Wait a minute. That was the wrong thing. I charged the wrong prompt. Hold on. <Laugh>, you

Ant Pruitt (01:32:12):
Put Purge

Leo Laporte (01:32:13):
<Laugh> purge images. No. Come on. I'm trying to stop. Stop. Amen. Imagine right. Imagine Joe. Oh, Biden in an orange jump suit behind bars. I'm just doing this for fairness. Both sides ism. Oh, behind bars is banned. Wow.

Ant Pruitt (01:32:40):

Leo Laporte (01:32:41):
So they really don't want you to do this stuff. <Laugh>, <laugh>. They're a little sensitive to the whole thing.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:47):
That's, that's not gonna help them though. I mean, if you think about how people get around it, it's Well, they're come up with new term. Well, if you wanna create, there's gonna be so many ridiculous things we can make fun of, of people. And so many egos will be upset. It'll be interesting to see. Like, I mean, can

Ant Pruitt (01:33:05):
We Yeah. Why can't we, you

Leo Laporte (01:33:06):
Can't ban Ron

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:07):
Des Sanders wearing heels.

Leo Laporte (01:33:08):
Yeah. You can't ban everything, right? Yeah. Oh, apparently apprehended <laugh> apprehended is, is still, we're just gonna get every, every synonym for arrested. Or arrested In effect. Leo Laport being apprehended

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:27):
Held by police.

Ant Pruitt (01:33:28):
Is it, is it really wrong

Leo Laporte (01:33:29):
To by I know. Is

Ant Pruitt (01:33:31):
Okay that they're blocking, arrested

Leo Laporte (01:33:32):
As a child? No, I don't like that. Yeah. That's pretty weird. Especially for me is unsuccessful attempt

Ant Pruitt (01:33:42):
Mashed potato and a discord Makes a good point. What about shackled or incarcerated? Are

Leo Laporte (01:33:47):
Those blocked? Well, they're allowing me to be apprehended and held by police. So that's the good news. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> here. Why Donald Trump perp walk <laugh>. See if it knows what a perp block is. <Laugh>. I, oh, I don't know what's going on. I've lost the, what the hell the hell's that? Well, it takes a while. It starts with a blurry and it, oh, I right, right. Oh, look, it looks like they're gonna, they're gonna, they nabbed me. Looks like I am. Oh, that's Jeff Jarvis. Police officer <laugh>.

Ant Pruitt (01:34:20):
Oh no. That's what it was like a cross. You and Mr. It looks

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:23):
Like Eugene Levy.

Leo Laporte (01:34:25):
<Laugh> <laugh>. Yeah. That's, that's like if you and I had a little bit of Mike Elgan too. Yeah. Had a baby here I own Now see, they got it. Here I am being arrested and I but not happy it a sweater vest

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:39):
Or is it a

Leo Laporte (01:34:40):
Sweater vest

Ant Pruitt (01:34:41):
In his car? I

Leo Laporte (01:34:42):
Always like the images of Leo Laport mid journey does. Cause I'm pleasingly plump. Those

Ant Pruitt (01:34:47):
Are real guys.

Leo Laporte (01:34:48):
Yeah. <laugh>. This is, I think what, what is it? What is it? When I have a, I have a, I have the safe there. What is that? There? I'm carrying away something. <Laugh>. This is good. You

Jeff Jarvis (01:34:58):
Are not a happy

Leo Laporte (01:34:59):
Camper. This is good. This is good. Which one? Which one?

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:02):
The lower right one. Looks like you've been on the lamb for 10 years and, okay. What

Leo Laporte (01:35:06):
About, and they put me in a bulletproof vest so that I wouldn't get shot by the ongoing the onlookers. Which, which one? You

Ant Pruitt (01:35:13):
Were right. You and your britches.

Leo Laporte (01:35:14):
Me and my britches.

Ant Pruitt (01:35:16):
Yeah. You, I've never seen you with, with

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:20):
Mom jeans

Leo Laporte (01:35:21):
<Laugh>. Yeah. Mom

Ant Pruitt (01:35:22):
Jeans. I've never seen you with Denis. They put you in a pair of Bries.

Leo Laporte (01:35:25):
I actually I did not own a pair of <laugh> Upper left. We have a vote for Upper Left. I

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:34):
Love Becky Jaber be laugh. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:35:36):
Jaber B really enjoys this show. There I am being arrested after my unsuccessful bank heist attacked

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:44):
<Laugh>. Alright. Try a perp walk. I wanna see a perp walk. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:35:48):
Come on. Knows

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:49):
Videos. Come on,

Leo Laporte (01:35:50):
Y'all. <Laugh>. There's waffles of awaiting. We have other talk. Yes, we did. Diggers Tuck CEO is going Diggers, TikTok, chief Executive show Gig J is going to be testifying on Capitol Hill tomorrow. He is hired a i we are told 11 influencers. <Laugh> to, I think it's smart to smart to, to you know, lobby

Jeff Jarvis (01:36:17):
Come to Congress and say, don't shut me up, man.

Leo Laporte (01:36:19):
Don't shut me up. I mean, Henry, my son started his career on TikTok, owes his career to TikTok. Unfortunately I've noted of late that there are a lot of people copying him. And this is one problem. But I guess this is the way it is, isn't it? That's

Ant Pruitt (01:36:38):
It. That's all creative art, sir. Yeah. Yeah. As you've said before, art isn't created in a vacuum,

Leo Laporte (01:36:43):
So Yeah. You can't own, you know, chopping, slicing, enticing as much as I wish you could. Yeah. so Chu will be testifying in front of the let's see. What, what committee is this? I don't know. He takes the stand for the first congressional hearing. Thursday 40 year old, native of Singapore, not Chinese. He's worked to counter American suspicions with hard logic. According to the Washington Post, telling members of Congress in one-on-one meetings. His company's unaffiliated with the Chinese government and is committed to building a sunny corner of the internet. His words,

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:22):
Which he's done. So it's House Committee on Energy and Commerce.

Leo Laporte (01:37:26):

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:26):
We'll review the data.

Leo Laporte (01:37:27):
CFIUS is probably under that committee, I would guess the Committee for Foreign Influencing the United States. And that's who would ultimately I think be banning him. So he

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:37):
Made a video on TikTok, obviously. And you know, we don't hear from Tim Hardley.

Leo Laporte (01:37:41):
Yeah. TikTok is one of the app store's. Apple App store's 10 most downloaded free apps in the us. Four of those 10, by the way, are owned by Chinese companies. Three of them above TikTok. Four four T E M U, tmo, the Fast Fashion Titan Shein, another bite dance app. And the video editor, cap cut, cap cut's owned by Bite Dance as well. Inevitable,

Jeff Jarvis (01:38:06):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:07):
CS is its own committee. It's not part of,

Leo Laporte (01:38:09):
It's not part of Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:11):
A house committee. Okay. But members of the house committee

Leo Laporte (01:38:15):
Are, are on CFIs or

Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:16):
They're the

Leo Laporte (01:38:16):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:17):

Leo Laporte (01:38:18):
Okay. But CFIs part of maybe under the Commerce Department, then maybe not. So

Jeff Jarvis (01:38:21):
Tiktok now

Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:22):
It's under the US Department of the Treasury.

Leo Laporte (01:38:24):
Treasury. Oh, interesting.

Jeff Jarvis (01:38:25):
Yeah. So TikTok now says it has 150 million users in the us half of the US on TikTok. And who's wanna piss off half of

Leo Laporte (01:38:32):
America? Who hates TikTok more than anyone. Facebook, Instagram, the companies who are copies, the people

Ant Pruitt (01:38:39):
That are, are wishing they could capitalize the same way TikTok did.

Leo Laporte (01:38:42):
Yep. That's right. They want, and by the way, who are spying on you just as much and, and selling that data on data brokers where the Chinese government, if it wants this information, can buy it.

Jeff Jarvis (01:38:53):
This is Carl Boden's point again and again and again. Prop bless him on, on tech beam. This, this is, this is all distraction. Pass a privacy law. Yeah. You worried about privacy then pass a privacy law. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:39:03):
By that. No, they, they don't wanna do that. And one of the reasons they don't wanna do that is because they also buy ads on Facebook and Instagram for their no run and elections. Yep.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:14):
Wait, so in Congress, the, well, this is in Congress. This is in dc the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. This is what was created by Elizabeth Warren at all. Yes. Yeah. They have actually begun an investigation into data brokers. So they did that, I think last Wednesday.

Leo Laporte (01:39:30):
Good. A week ago. It's about that. That was, and let's, who did you look to? Let's see if Mark Warner, what did you

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:36):
Look to like to ask the dog? She asked Wednesday, who were you

Leo Laporte (01:39:40):
Asking? Hey,

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:41):
You have a calendar with these things. What were you doing?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:44):
What's the, oh, sorry. I have a calendar over there that says what day things are.

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:49):
Oh. Oh, okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:50):
So I'm like the 15th. That was

Leo Laporte (01:39:52):
Last Wednesday. She was like a brilliant AI device combining information from a variety of sources to generate a coherent logic.

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:00):
I thought the dog was smart. Was tighter. Yes.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:04):
Yes. The dog has been barking at least 15 times. That's how I know.

Leo Laporte (01:40:08):
Anyway, look, I understand. People were very nervous about TikTok. I understand that. You should be nervous about we, I

Ant Pruitt (01:40:14):
Don't understand. We get a lot of crap. Well, I'll say I get a lot thank you of crap for defending this whole Oh, I

Leo Laporte (01:40:20):
Do too. A lot of emails know

Ant Pruitt (01:40:21):
How I think it's

Leo Laporte (01:40:22):
You're trying to lover you.

Ant Pruitt (01:40:24):
Yeah. It's got nothing to it. I think people just don't quite get it. And

Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:29):
I, I

Ant Pruitt (01:40:29):
Do this, the news is sensationalized in this stuff and, and really just sort of driving it home that this is quote unquote dangerous. Yet there's just this much weird surveillance and dangerous crap going on with stuff right here in our own backyard with US companies. Why don't we bring that up there?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:46):
There are. So from a national, this is only because we have a national security concern and the national security concern, the real concern here is that people who have like public officials, like if I'm a spy or the president of, or I'm the treasury head mm-hmm. <Affirmative> that if I have TikTok on my phone, or maybe someone in my home has TikTok on their phone mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, they could perhaps, there might be a door in things like, and, and they are doing things like keystroke logging and popping pixels, which yes, everyone else is doing,

Ant Pruitt (01:41:17):
Everyone else is doing it. That same, giving that same thing. And even

Stacey Higginbotham (01:41:20):
Directly to the Chinese government is what they're worried about. And

Jeff Jarvis (01:41:23):
What's the Chinese government gonna do with it?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:41:25):
What's the heart? Nothing for the mainstream, nothing for you and your eye. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But if you're the Department of Treasury, you could, I don't know, shouldn't

Jeff Jarvis (01:41:33):
Have Facebook on your

Ant Pruitt (01:41:34):
Phone. So if you're Department of Treasury, don't put these crappy apps on your phone, but what about your kid? But don't let them do it either. If, if you're that concerned about it just everybody shouldn't have to suffer and, and lose an app such as TikTok or Instagram or whatever, just because of the security concerns that our national leadership has. And then, and as Mr. Report said in our twit forums as twit community, for those of you don't know he's mentioned a couple times that the information that China wants, they can just go get it from a brother. If they really wanted that bad.

Leo Laporte (01:42:10):
And I'm channeling Carl Botie, who I completely agree with. If you want privacy Oh, good. Well good. Do something about it. Banning TikTok does nothing. Right.

Jeff Jarvis (01:42:21):
Exactly. Also, this morning I was screaming at the TV with Maureen Joe as I do most every morning. It's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:42:26):
Not just privacy though. It's like if they have a backdoor that could put something on your phone that could monitor things, that's, that's more the concern as a, I mean, I know that they're saying privacy, but that's because they don't understand cybersecurity.

Ant Pruitt (01:42:38):
Yeah. Miss Stacey, is it possible that say someone finds a backdoor in one of these beloved US apps that happens to be from China and it could

Stacey Higginbotham (01:42:48):
Yeah, they totally could do

Leo Laporte (01:42:49):
That too. Well, we just mentioned four zero day backdoor in your Samsung and

Ant Pruitt (01:42:54):
Ain't not that Gum, pixel phones, those, those I'm saying still happen.

Leo Laporte (01:42:58):
So let's ban Samsung.

Ant Pruitt (01:43:02):
Thank you. Let's

Leo Laporte (01:43:04):
Pick Anyway, you know what I honestly, I don't care if they bann TikTok. Do you think, do you think there will that there, there is a risk of a political backlash that that young, younger people will then say, well, I'm not voting for you. Mark Warner.

Ant Pruitt (01:43:19):
Yeah. Oh yeah. I agree. Yep. I I'm, I'm sure young votes will be like, oh, they killed my TikTok. Nope. Won't get my vote.

Jeff Jarvis (01:43:26):
What's Hank gonna feel? What's, what's it was, would, would Hank sign a letter or protesting to Congress about

Leo Laporte (01:43:31):
This? I don't know. I don't think, I don't, it's not that political. But I asked him, you know, a couple of months ago, I said, you know, TikTok may well be banned. He said, well, I've kind of moved over to Instagram and YouTube. He's smart enough just to, you know, his pop was not to be owned on a plane. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used not enough <laugh>. I give him all, all my brain cells are hanks. I passed them down and that's it. I'm done. Put me on a porch with a, some checkers and a pickle barrel and I'm, I'm history man. I'm just gonna, you know, another thing about the Chinese government

Jeff Jarvis (01:44:07):
So this morning and morning Joe, they touted the story that's in there that Jamal Bowen of New York is defending the app and saying that all this talk is fear mongering and xenophobia. Well, who do they have on the show? Not Jamal Bowen. They had on Brendan Carr, the moral panic leader of the FCC screaming about TikTok.

Leo Laporte (01:44:25):
Well, that's Morning Joe. In a nutshell. I can't believe you watched that crap. 

Jeff Jarvis (01:44:31):
Gotta wake up and get my blood pressure. I honestly, yeah, I was, Jeff needs his morning dose of release. I

Leo Laporte (01:44:35):
Honestly think that the, the best thing Congress could do is ban 24 hour news channels. Just get, get rid of 'em all. And I, you know, make people read a newspaper or something. But the 24 hour news channels home channel are, I know you leave, you're your your entire generation leaves 24 hour news on all the time. And depending on your political bent, it's either Fox or msnbc.

Jeff Jarvis (01:45:01):
And who shares the most misinformation in all studies? People over 65.

Leo Laporte (01:45:06):
Yeah. Olds. Olds.

Jeff Jarvis (01:45:08):
What olds?

Leo Laporte (01:45:09):
I, if I have shared any misinformation with y'all today, I apologize, but I have corrected him. I'm, I'm old. <Laugh> <laugh>. He's like, after record. I can't be expected. Thank God we have a young one. You are like

Jeff Jarvis (01:45:22):
Chat G P t I

Leo Laporte (01:45:23):
Can't be ex loose Standard. I'm an old man. Blackberry, are you excited about this movie? I cannot wait to see this movie.

Jeff Jarvis (01:45:33):
It looks a little over the top. Have you watched the trailer

Leo Laporte (01:45:35):
Yet? Yeah, you gotta you gotta, you gotta be over the top a little bit. If you're gonna get people to watch a movie. This is is it's about the black movie Blackberry. It's about the Blackberry. These are the, these are the Baly and what are the two founders? And then they got some guy in a suit. <Laugh>. Look at the the little headband is cute. So these are the two founders and they got some guy in a suit to give him money.

Jeff Jarvis (01:46:02):
No. Who to be pick up the ceo.

Leo Laporte (01:46:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was it, was that their meeting with Rogers up in Canada? I don't know who this guy in the suit is because I don't remember him

Speaker 14 (01:46:15):
Who we can sell it to. But I want 50% of the company and I've gotta be ceo.

Speaker 15 (01:46:18):
I dunno if you think you are. Oh, deal. Are you joking?

Leo Laporte (01:46:23):
<Laugh> inspired by is the giveaway right? If you see inspired by, yeah. But I will still go see this. Cuz there is a lot, I mean, there are some very good books about the rise and fall of Blackberry. But and in fact I think this is based on one of them, but I don't know how closely it hu it's maybe based on it. You're

Jeff Jarvis (01:46:42):
Gonna see a prototype here in a minute. That's fun there.

Leo Laporte (01:46:43):
It's, yeah. Yeah. And he <laugh> try typing with your thumbs. But I have to point out, and I don't know if it's clear in this, the first Blackberry was not a phone. In fact, for many years a Blackberry was just a pager and I didn't know that. Yeah. The, the, the Blackberry server and the messaging system was all about text for a long time. And I have to admit, I was absolutely addicted. I remember my kids saying, dad put down the Blackberry. It had, it had, it was just a big old pager with a full keyboard. Who were you talking to? Everybody. I was network. I remember interviewing at the time this would've been 2000, three or four Colin Powell's son, was it William Powell, the chairman of the fcc. And I noted at the time when I'm interviewing him, he is like on his Blackberry all the time. I said, what do you do with that? He says, I do email triage when I get back to the office. I don't want any email that I don't have to look at. So what I do is I go through my email, delete, delete, delete, delete. And then I get home and I can actually answer it. It was like texting, but it was with email.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:53):
Yep. Yeah. I used to, I, when I got hired at Gigaom, they made me get one.

Leo Laporte (01:47:59):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:00):
Because they were like, you can't manage this job without a

Leo Laporte (01:48:03):
And it wasn't a phone, right?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:05):
No, mine was a phone by then. It was not very pearl. She's just a

Leo Laporte (01:48:08):
Kid. I'm old. Called a pearl. Oh my God. That was my last Blackberry later.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:11):
Yeah. Well that was my last blight. I was like, ugh, this thing

Leo Laporte (01:48:14):
Annoying. I got the pearl and cuz I, then this iPhone came out and that was it.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:18):
Right? Cuz I, it was

Ant Pruitt (01:48:19):
Two eight. I had a, a storm.

Leo Laporte (01:48:22):
Oh, remember Storm had storm. The

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:24):
Storm. I had a storm,

Leo Laporte (01:48:25):
Actually, I made her get rid of it. Actually. I didn't have to make her get rid of it. She left it on the roof of the car and we drove off and it wasn't rid rid of itself or maybe <laugh>. Yeah. It, it wasn't great. You clicked to click the screen. The screen, the whole screen went down.

Ant Pruitt (01:48:39):
<Laugh>, that's right. Yeah. The whole screen. It was clickable. It was a, it was a weird track pad on a phone to touch.

Leo Laporte (01:48:46):
Actually she swimming it now. I now I remember. I thought it would, she dropped it. We were on the way from the old cottage to the new brick house. And on the way she dropped it, hit the cement. And I was so grateful. And we got her an iPhone. He was like, yes, that was, that was the end of that.

Ant Pruitt (01:49:00):
Lisa, are you still

Leo Laporte (01:49:00):
Angry? She, every once in a while, if she wants to zing me, she says, you made me get a Mac, you made me get an iPhone. But I mean, it doesn't really hurt <laugh> because it's like, what were you gonna use a Blackberry still? What were you gonna use? And the Blackberry was really good though. It was great. It's time was awesome

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:20):
From Yeah. Cause communications. Cause you remember back then carriers subsidized everyone. So if you wanted to buy, cuz the only like, good smartphones were the NOKs.

Ant Pruitt (01:49:29):
There we go. That's the triage.

Leo Laporte (01:49:31):
Oh no, that's a pearl right there. No,

Ant Pruitt (01:49:33):
No trio. That's the trio. That's the trio's, the trio ever.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:37):
I remember driving down, I wanted to look up where an in-n-Out burger was and we we tried to find it on the web on a trio. <Laugh>. That's a palm one, right? Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:49:47):

Jeff Jarvis (01:49:47):
True. That's yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:48):
That's pom. Yeah. Oh my God. It was one of those moments where you could see the future and you were just like, we have to make this better. Like, you could see everything possible and you were like, and this is why it sucks, you know? Yeah. And then the iPhone came out and everything was good

Leo Laporte (01:50:04):
And the rest is history.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:08):
Actually, the iPhone came out and was subsidized by at and t. I guess that's really the story. Yeah. Because Nokia actually had a Yeah, good point. Decent product. So, okay. Are we done yet?

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:22):
<Laugh>? We still haven't.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:28):
Leo. It's not you. It's, I have a headache. So that's, that's my, I know. I'm like, I'm like, where are we today?

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:34):
<Laugh>? They are. I, you know, I don't wanna, it'll cure it for you. A 3D printed cheesecake.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:39):
Mm-Hmm. Don't like cheesecake.

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:41):

Leo Laporte (01:50:42):
Well, no. What line might that be? But yeah. Let's

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:44):
Cheese line sad. Six.

Leo Laporte (01:50:48):
I was getting

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:48):
It Looks awful.

Leo Laporte (01:50:49):
It looks awful. I was getting there. 86. Have your cake and print it to the 3d Culinary revolution is coming.

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:59):
No, it's not pH. Oh, exactly. That looks like, looks like a problem, isn't it? <Laugh> Engineers

Leo Laporte (01:51:07):
Show 3D

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:08):
Jetsons gone wrong. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:51:11):
Turning, turning cartridges of paste and powder into cheesecake. That aint cheese, junk. Whatever that is. <Laugh>. Oh, it's like,

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:22):
That looks

Leo Laporte (01:51:23):
Like spaghetti cake. God. Joey picnic cake. Ooh. It's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:26):
Like bor Ford concrete with a tongue in the middle. What is happening

Leo Laporte (01:51:30):
There? For those of you just listening. Don't watch. You don't need to see this. That's a fail. You

Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:38):
Know, actually that, that's terrible.

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:40):
It is.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:40):
It even the not failed print is the top one. A failed print.

Leo Laporte (01:51:43):
That's the final iteration.

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:44):
That's the, yeah, it's awful. Thank goodness.

Leo Laporte (01:51:50):
Okay. Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:52):
Yeah. We don't wanna

Leo Laporte (01:51:53):
Know anyone. Ikea is using drones to do inventory and warehouses according to Jeff Jarvis.

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:57):
I almost took this one out cuz it's not that fascinating, but No, it's not. Okay, then take it out. <Laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:03):
Is it drone? Is it R f i d on a drone? It's

Jeff Jarvis (01:52:05):
Just going through, it goes around taking pictures of every shelf. I, I I, oh, always

Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:08):
Take. Okay. That's a little better. They fly drones over like car lots and stuff, and they, it's R ffi d sensors and they're like, oh, that's

Jeff Jarvis (01:52:15):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:16):

Leo Laporte (01:52:17):
There you go. Remember Project ard, Google's attempt to build smart clothing.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:25):
Oh, we're in the change lock.

Leo Laporte (01:52:27):
So we're just, I'm skipping the change. I'm really change lock. It's not a change lock, so I'm just there. I'm taking the good stuff out and I'm leaving the orchestra on the floor.

Jeff Jarvis (01:52:34):
Speeding. George Waffle. Stacey and Felix

Leo Laporte (01:52:36):
Speeding towards waffles, right? Project check card. That was the one. They, they had a Levi's jacket right? 

Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:43):
In the backpack. And Adidas makes some smart shoes.

Leo Laporte (01:52:46):
It was a dopey idea.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:48):
I thought it was dope.

Jeff Jarvis (01:52:48):
Did we talk about it as dopey at the time?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:50):
No. I thought it was cool, but I am wrong because I live in <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:52:55):
Another AAP gone. Gone.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:59):
Yeah, they open sourced solely and solely and ARD were introduced at the same time. And both of them, I was like,

Leo Laporte (01:53:05):
Oh, Soly was the gesture based way to use. They made a phone that you could use solely on in there. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:10):
My, my Google thing uses solely my little Google display that. Yeah. Nest display. Nest.

Leo Laporte (01:53:15):
Oh really? Ooh. Yeah. They kept it around for stuff like that that actually se it does sleep sensing too, right? Because of the solely mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. Yeah. Research it.

Jeff Jarvis (01:53:23):
Wav the thing. Stacey, I'm just a little, little aside here. What happened to the suicidal robin?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:30):
Oh yeah. It attacked the windows downstairs for me and then we put nets up and so far it hasn't come back, but I can't undo my plastic yet because I feel like it might come back.

Jeff Jarvis (01:53:39):

Leo Laporte (01:53:40):
Thank you. Stacey had a bird that was buzz bombing her dive, bombing her and to no effect and driving her nuts. And so

Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:49):
It's gone Short drive.

Jeff Jarvis (01:53:50):
Sorry, Leo. I didn't wanna, I just wanted a quick update news, you know.

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Speaker 16 (01:58:58):
Change line? Stacey upset Robin.

Leo Laporte (01:59:00):
Susie didn't see our breaking news thing from last week. Oh, I've, okay, let's f Okay. Alright. I have a story. It's really not breaking news, but just go ahead. Breaking news. This just in look at, it's your figures, Stacey. Oh,

Speaker 16 (01:59:13):
That's me. Look at pointy chin.

Leo Laporte (01:59:16):
If you send a request to Twitters press team, Elon has decreed, you'll receive in response a poop emoji. That's it. There is a guy, there is a guy stuck in fourth grade. <Laugh> stuck in fourth grade. And that's, let's do it again. Our breaking news. I like how she has portraits on the wall of us. I was about

Speaker 17 (01:59:45):
To say, I love the portraits of you

Leo Laporte (01:59:46):
Guys out there. Yeah, that's Lofi. Stacey, thank you Anthony Nielsen for for doing this. Thank

Speaker 17 (01:59:51):
You. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:59:52):

Speaker 17 (01:59:52):
So much. And thanks for making me look cute. I like

Leo Laporte (01:59:54):
It. You're super cute. Super cute. I'm

Speaker 17 (01:59:57):
Like, dang.

Leo Laporte (01:59:59):
All right, let me do a little plug for Club Twit and then we can get you picks of the week and you can go get waffles. Many of you are members of the club and for that I say thank you so much. We crossed the 7,000 mark next week. Woo woo. It's a great number cause it's 1% of the total audience. Now I believe NPR gets three to 5%. Is that right? Or public Broadcasting normally three to 5%. But then they beg you all the time. And I don't not want to do that. We are not gonna have pledge drives or anything like that. Just a simple request. If you love what we do and you wanna see us do more of it, you wanna see us ad shows, you wanna see us grow? Things like Stacey's Book Club. Join the club.

Seven bucks a month. That's all it costs. You get access to the Discord. That's where some of the special shows we do like Hands on Macintosh and Hands on Windows Live. You get all of the shows ad free, no ads, you won't even hear this, no ads. And it gives us a chance to launch new shows like this week in space. We've just launched Scott Wilkinson's, home Theater Geeks relaunched it. The show we had to cancel cuz it didn't have a big enough audience or advertisers. But hey, the club pays for it. That's the beauty of it. It's direct drive for shows you love. If you want to participate, I would really be very grateful if you go to twit tv slash club and sign up seven bucks a month. And puppies not included. Thank you. <Laugh>. Well, it depends on who you ask. Could get a cat and sunglasses. <Laugh>. oh. Aw, ja Stacey, what's your thing of the

Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:39):
So I thought I'd do something crazy because not crazy enough to have, you know, a migraine and need a waffle. I thought I just got a tapo TP link matter plug

Leo Laporte (02:01:53):
Tapo link matter plug.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:55):
And I've, I haven't done it with this one. I've done it with the marrows one. Look, see there's little matter back.

Leo Laporte (02:02:00):
Oh, cool. I

Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:01):
I I can work

Leo Laporte (02:02:02):
This. But you know what, that's good because you could buy these cheaply on Amazon from a unknown name Chinese company with no security. At least if it's matter. Right. Does that mean that you have some, you

Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:11):
Have some level of security? Yes. So what I thought I was actually gonna do, this is a $20 plug. So they are expensive for smart plug. I was gonna add it and show you what the process of adding something to matter is cuz it's so simple.

Leo Laporte (02:02:23):
Let's see it

Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:24):

Leo Laporte (02:02:26):
T A P o. Tapo.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:28):
Tapo. T A P o. Yeah. Okay, so I've got my plug. Yeah, I've got a phone. Yeah. This is an Android phone. If you are using an Apple phone because Apple messed up their home kit architecture. Oh no. You've gotta wait till the 16.4. We think the next update's gonna make it easier, but it's a little glitchy for using Apple. So for once Android. Yay. We're in

Leo Laporte (02:02:52):
I see a QR code on that. Do I scan it?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:55):
Yeah. So I'm gonna scan this QR code. Bloop. Hello. I'm really bad at skating

Leo Laporte (02:03:03):
Apple's. 16.4 is imminent. I think we're very close to its release, so, okay,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:03:08):
We're just gonna, it also came with the QR code. Oh, worth the qr. Oh no, I

Leo Laporte (02:03:11):
Lost it. It's a clear QR code. I love it. <Laugh>. No, it fell. That's all right. Okay. I trust it.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:03:17):
This is gonna be so fun, y'all. Yeah, I was like, oh, here. It's <laugh>. Oh, it's a sticker. And just so y'all know, I actually use, I take my stickers and I put the name of the device on a, I have a folder and I stick the name of the device. Oh, sticker next

Leo Laporte (02:03:32):
To it. Oh my God. You're organized. Oh my. Oh my God. Is that brilliant? Wow. Just a loosely finder or something. That's brilliant.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:03:39):
Yeah, any, anything but stick. Don't like think you're gonna just keep it cuz

Leo Laporte (02:03:43):
You're not. So this plug is wifi. That's interesting. It's not Bluetooth. It's wifi. So it's on your network. I guess that makes sense. So yeah. So

Stacey Higginbotham (02:03:51):
I'm gonna, no, it's, it's wifi. So I'm gonna go to the Google Home app. I should be able to add it straight from Android, but it's not working. So I'm gonna go to the Google Home app, which is another option. And I'm gonna just hit the plus for adding a device.

Leo Laporte (02:04:05):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:04:06):
It's gonna be like, hello, set up device. New device.

Leo Laporte (02:04:10):
This is pretty smart too. It's got auto on, auto off away mode. Remote control, voice control. There's a O I C via Echo or Siri or Google Assistant. So that's pretty cool. Now I see a three pack for 39 99. That's 13 bucks each. That's, that's not too, too bad. Good deal there. Yeah. 20 a piece for a single. Yeah, they sell. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:04:33):

Leo Laporte (02:04:34):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:04:35):
One? Keep going.

Leo Laporte (02:04:37):
They have a smart, let's see. This is a four pack smart wifi plug. I'm tempted now. Let me see what it's gonna be on Amazon. 29 bucks for four of them. That ain't bad. That's 50. No, that's not bad at all. That's seven 50 each, right? Am I right? I think I am.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:04:58):
Yeah. wait, hold on. Are those the matter ones?

Leo Laporte (02:05:01):
Oh, we wanna make sure they're matter.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:03):
Yeah. No, it's not the matter

Leo Laporte (02:05:04):
One. This one is, is Apple Home and Google and all that. But they're, but that's, you're not what I want. I want the T one nine irc. Sir. That was the P one. That was the V one. You

Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:14):
Want the P 1 25? Im

Leo Laporte (02:05:16):
Want the P 1 25 M there we have a three pack and by the way, you have a code 20 matter on Amazon for 20% off. Now that's I'm gonna buy some just cuz of you Stace.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:31):
Just cuz of you. You need smart

Leo Laporte (02:05:32):
Plugs. I don't know what I'm gonna do with them, but I'll plug 'em in and then I can say, I mean you could say, hey, turn off whatever it's plugged into. Right.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:39):
Okay. So I finally, yes, yes, that is true. That is what you can do. So I finally got it. I plugged it in, I scanned my QR code and it says hey. And it gives me the url.

Leo Laporte (02:05:50):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:50):
You. And then it says choose choose an app. I'm gonna just choose Google Home cuz it's a Google device.

Leo Laporte (02:05:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:57):
You could also use it for Amazon Echoes or smart things. We'll check and make sure they end up there. But now I'm setting it up.

Leo Laporte (02:06:07):
So Matt does matter what gives it the, and

Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:10):
It's there <laugh>,

Leo Laporte (02:06:12):
All of which happened outside of your eyesight. But that trust, we trust you. We trust you. Well, for audio it's just the same as for anybody. That's right. I just bought three of them based on that and I'm, I don't know what I'm gonna plug it into, but but maybe even around the studio, John, we could have like this clock over here or something. You know, I could say, Hey, you turn on the clock, <laugh>. All right. It's, I'm gonna, I'll find something to do with it. And it's, and again, because it's matter, it feels like I'm gonna be, because you know, Steve Gibson bought one of these on, you know, just no name Chinese one on the web. And you know, he went through all sorts of things to isolate it and put it on a vlan. And <laugh>, he's got firewall rules around stuff. It's only Mr. Gibon barbed wire. Barb wire. I won't have to do that, right?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:00):
No. well you still can if you're Steve Gibson. Right. But

Leo Laporte (02:07:04):
I do have a vlan I have a IOT T vlan, so I could do that.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:08):
What is the point? I mean, if it's that action, it, I mean a VLAN is no more secure than a It is

Leo Laporte (02:07:13):
Like, it is. I mean it's

Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:14):
A little

Leo Laporte (02:07:15):
Bit, if if she jingping or Shuja Chu or whoever that guy from TikTok has got in to my plug, he couldn't then infiltrate into the rest of my network cuz it's on a isolated vlan. That's the whole point of that.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:30):
Okay. Sorry.

Leo Laporte (02:07:32):
So he, he could see what I'm doing with my plug. He could turn those lights on and off, but he couldn't get into my computer cuz it's not a gateway in the right. My

Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:40):
Home. Well, yes. Now how do you handle your phone on that? When I

Leo Laporte (02:07:45):
Set up, same thing. I have a secure, so I have a secure land and I have an IOT land. The IOT land is 2.4 gigahertz. That's the other advantage in that. Right. and then the other ones are both bands. And then so, and the problem is if you wanna like Sonos, you have to be on the same network to control it. Right.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:08:00):
That's, that's where, this is what I was about to get to. I was like, it becomes a real bear. So now that my device is connected and it was not, I mean I'm a little bit turn something

Leo Laporte (02:08:11):
Off. Oh, or off? No, no, no. I'm sorry. Thank you. No, I

Stacey Higginbotham (02:08:17):
Gotta think

Leo Laporte (02:08:17):
This was such a have, have to plan where I want it to live. I bought three of them. Well I'm figuring, and I bought three of 'em kind of on speck. I don't know exactly I'm gonna use it. But I like the idea. It, it'll automatically turn off a device if the device is left on for a set time. There's certain things like lamps in the living room that would be very useful for this. Things like that. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:08:35):
Well here I can plug in a lamp. It's just gonna change.

Leo Laporte (02:08:38):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We get it <laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:08:41):
We get it.

Leo Laporte (02:08:41):
It's pretty fast. Trust me. We get it <laugh> here. You know what, here's what I'm gonna do. I just found it. I can schedule my coffee maker to come on in time for me to just get up. I always have to get up, turn it on and wait for it to heat up.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:08:57):
But wait, is your coffee maker, does it have a button or is it gonna, because if it has a button that you physically press, then you're gonna need, so then you need 

Leo Laporte (02:09:05):
A button.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:07):
No switch bot. You need a switch bot. Oh Lord. And you have to attach it

Leo Laporte (02:09:11):
Finger The machine. Does it have a finger that

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:13):
Touches the, it has a

Leo Laporte (02:09:14):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:15):

Leo Laporte (02:09:15):
Can you make that your pick next week?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:18):
The switch bot? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:09:19):
Cause its, do you not have we you could. No, but I'm just saying if we had that, you could put it right here on my chair. And if I say something you don't like, you could put it. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:27):
Perfect. It's, it's not that high. If you look at the switch, switch bot pusher button. This one's for light switches.

Leo Laporte (02:09:34):
<Laugh>, that's a great name.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:36):
But it's, it's like a $30

Leo Laporte (02:09:38):
Device. Like a third grader made it up. What do you call that? That's the switch bot. Push your button. Look that. I

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:44):
Mean that's what it does.

Leo Laporte (02:09:47):
It's a smart push your button. What does it do? It pushes,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:49):
It pushes button. Button <laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:09:53):
That it costs more than the plugs.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:56):
Well, it's got a little servo. I mean it's got more action than the plug

Leo Laporte (02:10:00):
<Laugh>. It seems like there's something there that could trigger that. That's what it is. That could trigger the box of glove to come out. Yeah, that's exactly it. Exactly. It's, it's like a rub Goldberg machine. It's the first thing in a longer, it's the littlest boxing glove and then goes

Jeff Jarvis. Oh, wait a minute before you Jeff, I've got a pick of the week. I meant to do this last week. Oh, didn't your work? This really? So you know about Lofi. Well I got, I thought about this cuz of the breaking news thing with, she's kind of modeling, you know, that YouTube channel where it's lofi beats and she's studying at her desk. She's kind of a anime character. My child has that on all the time. It's good. Right? Well your child might enjoy this. You might enjoy this if you have a headache. It's lofi Air traffic control. <Laugh>. You choose the airport. It plays some nice music in the background. I want this sir. Isn't this the coolest? I want, isn't this coolest? Yes. I don't know what it's for. What, what airport do you do you want to go to? Oh, it's stereo E TL. K A T L. The Atlanta Hartsfield Jackson. We're gonna listen. Two six and runway eight. Listen. The mu why, why do the music? I don't get that. No, cuz it's Lofi beats mixed with air traffic control. Just relax. This is good for headaches. No, no. This will make you feel better. I don't know what it is about this.

This has me. Oh. Yes sir. Is this the best? Thank you. Thank you. Just have that in the background. Every once in a while you can land an airplane. I was just gonna get you taken down. I don't think so. I doubt it. Who would take us down? Hartsfield Jackson, Atlanta International Airport. Hart Maynard. <Laugh> Maynard. It's not Hot Jackson name anymore. It's Oh, Maynard Jackson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're on first name basis with the old <laugh>. You old guy form. I'm Foreign Gang. I I totally dig this. I, I I sit and listen to live ATC at random. Anyway. You can control the music volume. Do you? Yeah. Air traffic controller. There's something about it. I used to, they used to have Channel nine, remember on the United Flights and icast fu maybe a little bit better cuz it's a little more busy. Let's go back to, with all the rain going on

Speaker 18 (02:12:33):
Alpha one. Right.

Leo Laporte (02:12:36):
Alpha This stereo too. Left channel. Right. Channel

Speaker 18 (02:12:39):
15 two runway. Right. <laugh> runway Alpha one two.

Leo Laporte (02:12:46):
<Laugh>. This is so awesome. Jeff Jarvis, I'm gonna keep this going in the background while you give us Oh please don't your number of the week. It's gonna give a headache. <Laugh>. You don't like it? No, I hate it. What is it about us Ant that we like that so much? I find it sad. You're boring though. I mean, the music is one thing, but the, the, I like it both from the attc it, it, it always intrigues me. Yeah. You just run this while you're taking a nap in the bedroom. You just feel like you're not missing anything. Right. Alright. You describe me perfectly. Exactly. I will listen to this while, while I'm trying to take, dude, you and I need to go out and drink the brown liquor together because I think we're Yes. Yes. We're on a wavelength. Yes. Cheers sir. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. My friend <laugh>. I'll bring the AARA bna.

Ant Pruitt (02:13:32):

Leo Laporte (02:13:33):
Jeff Jarvis.

Jeff Jarvis (02:13:35):
Alright. I'm gonna, I, since you're going to Italy, maybe you could win this challenge. The Baus challenge.

Leo Laporte (02:13:40):
Ooh, do you have to stand near a volcano?

Jeff Jarvis (02:13:43):
I, well actually, yes. Val Baus. So there were, there were burnt papyri discovered in the, the,

Leo Laporte (02:13:57):

Jeff Jarvis (02:13:57):
Ash archeological digs there in

Leo Laporte (02:13:58):
The ashes, the ashes of the volcano. And they can't read it cause it's all ashy.

Jeff Jarvis (02:14:02):
It's all ashy. But with machine learning and with multi-layered visual, they think that maybe they can read these and there's a million dollar challenge to figure out how to do it.

Leo Laporte (02:14:15):
X-Ray tomography and computer vision. They're, they're, they're, they're reading it without opening. Cuz it, if you open it crumbles. Right. It's gone. Yeah. this is actually a dead sea scroll. And it has text from the book of Leviticus. So it shows a carbonized scroll. Could be digitally unrolled and red without physically opening it. Oh, this is super cool. Now they're using a particle accelerator scan. Two full scrolls and several fragments at four to eight micrometer resolution with 16 bits of density data per voxel. That is incredible. What's a voxel?

Ant Pruitt (02:14:59):
What is a voxel?

Leo Laporte (02:15:00):
<Laugh>? it's like a pixel only. It's a, i it's an

Jeff Jarvis (02:15:03):
Old, old car that they don't make anymore.

Leo Laporte (02:15:04):
It's try, it's a three-dimensional pixel. Think of it that way.

Ant Pruitt (02:15:08):
Okay. Okay. Didn't know that.

Leo Laporte (02:15:09):
Yeah, I didn't know that. It's u in games, you know. 

Ant Pruitt (02:15:13):
What's that Miss, miss Stacey showing there? Was that a vo? So she was showing,

Leo Laporte (02:15:17):
Well, you got a vo. No, she's just gonna show us. She can turn something on with that thing.

Jeff Jarvis (02:15:21):
She's determined to scroll

Ant Pruitt (02:15:22):

Leo Laporte (02:15:23):
<Laugh>. All right. This is scroll Grand prize. $700,000. First team to read a scroll by at the end of the year. If you can detect ink from X-rays by June 14th, $50,000. Wow. That's a, you know, this is an interesting idea.

Jeff Jarvis (02:15:42):
It is. So another one here I don't know how this ended up on my screen. It ended up in a tab. I think I accidentally clicked on an ad, but, but I thought it would be appropriate to our discussion about ai headshot Pro.

Leo Laporte (02:15:55):
Hmm. Oh, I said I I think it was on Twitter. Your image. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (02:15:58):
And it makes 120 headshot. Headshot for you.

Leo Laporte (02:16:01):
Yeah. We need new headshots. We should try this. So you give them your picture first.

Jeff Jarvis (02:16:08):
Yes. And then they give you three different locations. 120 headshots per person at 29 bucks. Huh? Two hours.

Leo Laporte (02:16:15):

Ant Pruitt (02:16:16):
The only problem I have with this is the, the whole word plasticy skin. Everybody has.

Jeff Jarvis (02:16:23):
Yeah. Look, if you scroll down, you're gonna see something that look pretty.

Leo Laporte (02:16:27):
They look fakey.

Ant Pruitt (02:16:29):
Yeah. Other than that, these are fine. Have you seen my head shots? Good. Good.

Leo Laporte (02:16:32):
What do you think of this? Does that look plastic? How about that? Hmm. <laugh> How about that? What about that? How about that? That's my mom. I'm sorry. How about that? <Laugh>?

Jeff Jarvis (02:16:43):
Hi mom.

Leo Laporte (02:16:44):
Hi mom. She listens. Said hi to mom today. She listens. I said, I want you on the show. She says, oh no you don't.

Jeff Jarvis (02:16:50):
Or it'd be like David Letterman with his mom on. Yes. We want that.

Leo Laporte (02:16:53):
It's great.

Jeff Jarvis (02:16:54):
Oh, yes. That's my Come on the show please.

Ant Pruitt (02:16:55):
Discord, sir.

Leo Laporte (02:16:57):
Oh, that's good. Did you get that? No, that's from, that works perfect. Who did that one? <Laugh>. That's, that looks good.

Ant Pruitt (02:17:03):
That inva invoke ai. I installed that because Mr. Nielsen said I should install it. NICE's been playing around with it and misusing the mid journey model. I believe

Leo Laporte (02:17:16):
That's right next to me getting arrested.

Jeff Jarvis (02:17:20):
<Laugh>. It

Leo Laporte (02:17:22):
Looks just like me. <Laugh>. That's pretty good. Except for the lips. I'm getting arrested for too much Collagen, I think

Ant Pruitt (02:17:29):
In denim on

Leo Laporte (02:17:30):
<Laugh>. <Laugh> here I am about to cry. I don't wanna go to jail. I don't wanna, can we use this for my new headshot? I think this be good. <Laugh>. This will be good. I just signed that. Wow. <laugh>. 

Jeff Jarvis (02:17:51):
Wait, do you autograph? Do you autograph head shots?

Leo Laporte (02:17:54):
Once every five or six years, people will ask for an autograph. Oh, that's cool. It used to be a lot more, you know, when we were tech tv, but then Combin people would line up for hours and, and you know, me and Kate or Patrick would sign and sign, sign. But then it was interesting to watch because it's slowly transformed. That was the late nineties, early two thousands. Then people started bringing digital cameras. In fact, I remember people with the Maass, they would write to a floppy disc. So there would be five, 10 minutes even <laugh>. <Laugh>. Well that's waiting. Okay, hold on. But over time I got faster. Faster. And pretty soon everybody had camera phones and at, at, at some point it flipped. Nobody wanted an autograph anymore. They just wanted a a selfie. Selfie. Yeah. That's all anybody wants nowadays. But if somebody doesn't, you know, if somebody writes in and asks, you know, sends says, please send us a picture. I will. And we do that for, I think

Jeff Jarvis (02:18:45):
We all should have an autograph picture.

Leo Laporte (02:18:47):
Real? Yeah. I think, I think I will send you. Yeah. I always tell people though, I don't wanna see this in the trash as I'm going out. Please throw it out

Jeff Jarvis (02:18:56):
Later. Like my photo was framed there in a place of water.

Leo Laporte (02:19:00):
Say again? SAE sa Oh, send us. Oh,

Jeff Jarvis (02:19:03):
That's right.

Leo Laporte (02:19:04):
<Laugh>. You don't have, we'll pay the, we could pay. No. All right. John says, send us a self-addressed stamp envelope.

Jeff Jarvis (02:19:10):

Leo Laporte (02:19:10):
Right, he's right with your request. Problem is, it's never a big enough envelope. So they get this fold Enough. <Laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (02:19:15):

Leo Laporte (02:19:16):
Here is by the way, Stacey, you'll be glad to know the designs have already begun for the punch Leo box.

Ant Pruitt (02:19:22):

Leo Laporte (02:19:22):
Man. Do you want the open fist with the thumb inside or?

Jeff Jarvis (02:19:26):
Well, that's punching

Leo Laporte (02:19:26):
Your end. <Laugh>. Stacey's punching up. Stacey's muted herself. I like your headshot. I like my headshot. <Laugh>.

Ant Pruitt (02:19:36):
Well, but that's, well see I fed a, an actual image of mine into it.

Leo Laporte (02:19:42):
Yeah. And I think that's what Anthony did cuz this now looks a lot more like me. Anthony must have taken the Hey, what happened? I changed it. It just changed. Yeah. I can have any expression. Oh, I see. Oh, you want? As long as it's terror. Looks just like me.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:19:58):
As long as it's not flattering.

Leo Laporte (02:19:59):
<Laugh>. Yeah. As long as it's ugly. That's what you get. I love this. I want this. That's great, Anthony. Let's use that from now on. Head shot. <Laugh>. Yeah. Head shots. <Laugh>. well it's that or this I use too much too. Tmi. Tmmi. You don't like the naked ones? The, yeah, we don't wanna see the naked. How about this one? Oh, it

Ant Pruitt (02:20:23):
Doesn't like paintings. This one

Leo Laporte (02:20:25):
One's so creepy because of the hand that's drawing me. What

Stacey Higginbotham (02:20:28):
Is, what is why?

Ant Pruitt (02:20:30):

Leo Laporte (02:20:32):

Ant Pruitt (02:20:33):

Leo Laporte (02:20:34):
At that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that look at

Ant Pruitt (02:20:37):
Gave me, gave me a couple with some traps, man.

Leo Laporte (02:20:39):
Yeah. Oh yeah. Some of 'em are really the really look. <Laugh>. Yo, that's like the Donald plane cards. Here I am as the Witcher. How about that? Huh? I

Stacey Higginbotham (02:20:50):
Say that's your, that's your magic The gathering.

Leo Laporte (02:20:52):
Yeah. I am head shot. The Witcher.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:20:56):
Don't flatty yourself. Leo

Leo Laporte (02:20:58):
Me. Gimme a coin. That's more likely right there. Right there. That's it. <Laugh>.

Ant Pruitt (02:21:03):
As she brings you back down to,

Leo Laporte (02:21:05):
I'm saying like, love that

Stacey Higginbotham (02:21:07):
Henry Kell, I mean he's quite the specimen.

Leo Laporte (02:21:10):
This is

Ant Pruitt (02:21:11):
Boris. Like here, let me go ahead and get

Leo Laporte (02:21:13):
Boab. Sir, I am, I'm I'm your King Boris the trap. Please me. I'm the end of the line. It's the master of my line. Do you have a thing Pruitt?

Ant Pruitt (02:21:31):
I do. I do now. I didn't but

Leo Laporte (02:21:34):
We gave you plenty of time.

Ant Pruitt (02:21:37):
I've talked about particle illusion from Boris Effects on here not too long ago actually. Cuz they had a free standalone version. Yes. Well they also have a plugin that you pay for, for an annual subscription, but now it is 50% off if you use promo code pi plugin 50. So you'll get it for a year for instead of a hundred bucks, you'll get it, you know, $50 or $45. I don't even think it's a hundred dollars for a year. But that's a pretty good deal if you can use it as a plugin instead of the standalone. You get a little bit more flexibility and a little faster workflow. So that's,

Leo Laporte (02:22:17):
And you can do your, your moral panic. Your very own moral panic announcement.

Ant Pruitt (02:22:21):
Yes. Do your very own moral panic <laugh>. Similar to and have some good fun with it inside of good old Boris Effects. I

Leo Laporte (02:22:30):
Love that. How long before these effects companies though, are just supplanted by by ai? Right? By

Ant Pruitt (02:22:37):
By ai. Well again, with the stuff Adobe put out yesterday with Firefly motion graphics are part of the plan.

Leo Laporte (02:22:45):

Ant Pruitt (02:22:46):
Yeah. Because motion graphics are on Adobe stock that people have uploaded. And it's been trained, been training since all of those things have been uploaded. So Yeah, it's

Leo Laporte (02:22:58):
Boris The Bland says. I like. Yes, Stacey.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:23:03):
Oh, does your audience, is your audience, do they have new parents? Do you think there are lots of new parents in your people with babies?

Leo Laporte (02:23:10):
Yeah, in fact, many of our hosts have new babies. Jonathan Bennett just had a baby. 

Ant Pruitt (02:23:16):
Congratulations to you Mr. Bennett.

Leo Laporte (02:23:18):
Lou Eska keeps having babies. Can't stop. Can't stop. Won't stop.

Ant Pruitt (02:23:24):
Hey, we've got a Sweet 16 basketball score.

Leo Laporte (02:23:27):
Alex, Alex Willhelm just had a baby. We have a lot of people, people having babies around here. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:23:32):
So Ember, you know the people who make the coffee mug that I get so excited about?

Leo Laporte (02:23:35):
Yeah. Yeah. Baby

Stacey Higginbotham (02:23:37):
Warmer. Two weeks ago they launched a baby bottle warmer <laugh>, which, okay,

Leo Laporte (02:23:44):
I need a us baby, baby baby for Warner. This is actually a good idea. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:23:50):
So that's why I was, I was like, that should be my thing. Except it, it's, I felt like it was, you

Leo Laporte (02:23:54):
Shoulda have shaved that that should've saved that. I'm sorry. Oh, it's 400 bucks. Well, it's two

Stacey Higginbotham (02:23:58):
Weeks. It's it's 400 bucks. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:23:59):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:24:01):
This is, this is like the SNOO category, but if you're like,

Leo Laporte (02:24:05):
I mean, you know what this would be because you know, like I said, a lot of our employees, friends and family are having babies. This might be a nice twit gift for somebody like Jonathan Bennett. She's a baby going to college. I'm <laugh> I'm gonna send this to Lisa cuz I bet you she would love to pass this along to baby roost.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:24:23):
First self warming baby bottle

Leo Laporte (02:24:25):
Before self warming baby bottle

Stacey Higginbotham (02:24:28):

Leo Laporte (02:24:28):
Safely. And would you rather listen to that

Stacey Higginbotham (02:24:32):

Leo Laporte (02:24:32):
Time or this

Stacey Higginbotham (02:24:35):
Dome? The bottles

Ant Pruitt (02:24:37):
Rhetorical question, sir.

Leo Laporte (02:24:39):

Speaker 19 (02:24:40):

Leo Laporte (02:24:41):
Ladies and gentlemen,

Ant Pruitt (02:24:42):
<Laugh>. Yes, that play it again, Sam,

Leo Laporte (02:24:45):
This exciting, thrilling, gripping edition of this week in Leo's neurotic Obsessions. So beautiful.

Ant Pruitt (02:24:58):
I love it. I

Leo Laporte (02:24:59):
Love it. That's Ant Pruit, baby. Hands on photography Ant

Ant Pruitt (02:25:08):
Baby TC as we watch all of the planes come in. Do your jazz now win. Battling the tables 30 mile an hour. Gust

Leo Laporte (02:25:16):
<Laugh>. Yeah, it's the quiet storm with two

Ant Pruitt (02:25:19):
Kids Sea tech right now.

Leo Laporte (02:25:24):
Yeah, I can Thank you. Please tweet that tv slash hands on photography. Thank you Mr. P. Thanks to you, Jeff Jarvis, the director of the Town Night Center for Entrepreneurial Journalism at the Graduate School of Journalism at the City University of New York. I hope you have a wonderful afternoon. We will see you next week before you go out. I'll be back next week with all the smooth ATC sound. And ladies and gentlemen, I thank you very much, miss Oh, look at this. Here I am going to jail. It's a nice one. Going to jail. You're gonna enjoy this one. <Laugh> going to jail. Good one. I'm going, how did you get that one in? New York's finest. New York's finest taking me in. That's the perp walk. Stacey And aren't you feeling better? A little bit better now with the ATC background. Listen to her fine podcast with Kevin tofu iot podcast.

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