This Week in Google 670, Transcript
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Jeff Jarvis (00:00:00):
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Jeff Jarvis (00:00:40):
This is TWIG. This Week in Google, episode 670 recorded Wednesday, June 29th, 2022. Stacey's a Spy!
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Jeff Jarvis (00:01:34):
It's time for TWIG This Week in Google. I know I'm not Leo. I'm Jeff Jarvis. I apologize for that all the time, but you're with us and it's gonna be a good time because I am here while Leo is off doing whatever Leo is doing. I'm quite confused to what he's doing, but we'll get to that later with Stacy Higginbotham the queen of IOT. Hi Stacy. Hello, Jeff. So glad to be here, and I'm glad you're here too. As opposed to some weeks when you just disappear on us, but you have good, good excuses next week, you're going to Paris, but I'm glad you're here for my week. This week. I'm very, very happy. And there is Ant Pruitt, the camp counselor for all of TWiT, the guy who keeps all of our club members happy and respects them and loves them and they him. And we're glad you're here. Hello and hi.
Ant Pruitt (00:02:27):
Hello, Mr. Jarvis, how you be
Jeff Jarvis (00:02:29):
<Laugh> and you succeed and I'm driving them crazy because we're actually doing this after the show, but I'm doing it before the show because I messed up before. So that's the fun of this. If you were a member of the club, I'll bet you get to see all the ways I screw up. So now let's get into our news this week. We are gonna be democratic. This is not like the normal show because Leo is not here and we're gonna use democracy because Leo keeps saying, it's not a democracy. Well, this week Leo, it is. And so I'm asking my co-host to mark the stories they wanna do. And Stacy's gonna pick the first one.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:05):
Well, let's, let's kick it off with, I think our big story this week, Jeff, I I'm just gonna actually, I'm gonna say it's the big story this week. It is, I think it's tech in the wake of the, the is the job's decision that makes Roe versus Wade obsolete. <Laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (00:03:23):
And you called this when the, when the,Stacy, when the,decision was leaked and you called the angles here. And I, and I, I thought about it going in today's show. And I thought, you know, there's this thing about, about newspapers have the, the local angle, right? You know, America lands on moon. Local company makes screws in rocket, right? And I don't wanna go so far as to find tech angles to everything, but this story was not hard to find a lot of stories. This has many, many tech angles about what the companies are doing about what they're saying about privacy, about technology,encryption, all kinds of things. So Stacy, where do you wanna start?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:00):
I wanna start first by like, I guess, ex not explaining this is stuff we all know, but I think it's really important to reiterate in the wake of this decision. So the big macro story that everyone's talking about, we're like, holy cow, some states are going to outlaw abortion. And as part of that, when a woman is pregnant, they, the data that they might look for an abortion, and they're going to both have data collected by many companies, not just tech companies, but many companies, they collect data. And they're very interested in knowing if someone's pregnant. And they're interested in knowing that because being pregnant means you're about to spend a heck of a lot of money, right? Like yep. All kinds of stuff. So this is not nefarious. Like tech companies are like, oh my gosh, you're pregnant. Cuz I wanna get all in your business.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:51):
They're like, oh my gosh, you're pregnant. And you're gonna spend a ton of money and advertisers really wanna part piece of that. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And so they have a vested interest in keeping this data, collecting this data and reselling this data and they always have, and it's it's retailers, it's your grocery store, your phone. So we're seeing a lot of stories about like, Hm, delete your period trackers, or you know, turn off your phone. If you're gonna go get an abortion. I it's a lot, it's a lot broader than that. It's the whole world wants to know when you're pregnant and they have access to that data and can infer from that. So then the question becomes, what do states do to, if you're gonna prosecute someone for going over state lines for an abortion, or maybe you just miscarry, maybe you didn't even realize you were pregnant and if they wanna prosecute that they could.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:43):
And so that's, and they can ask tech companies or financial services firms or target for, I mean, for this data and use that in a prosecution as kind of the worries. And the big focus is on things like location, data period trackers. I would argue things like, you know, I've got a Fitbit on when that, when someone's pregnant, you might get an elevated heart rate for which you can infer that someone's pregnant. So there's a lot of data already being gathered that can infer someone is pregnant. So that's kind of the big picture story. And we can talk about individual things. Tech companies are, and aren't doing or could, and couldn't do so I'll stop talking.
Ant Pruitt (00:06:24):
When you say it's, it's bigger than the abortion. You're basically saying, because there's other things that can be construed from construed from the amount of data that's available. Is that what you're saying?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:36):
Well, I'm saying it's bigger than the abortion issue because there's so there's so much a financial interest on behalf of everyone. If someone is pregnant, mm-hmm <affirmative>, there are like, there are about four or five stages of life when you're about to spend a lot of money. Pregnancy is one moving into a new home is another, getting married is usually one. Yeah. So those companies are not gonna stop collecting that data. I know people are like, they should stop collecting this data. They're not gonna stop trying to make these inferences cuz it's too lucrative.
Jeff Jarvis (00:07:09):
And even if it's not pregnancy Stacy, if it's just, if it's just location data and you went to, you know, you went out of state and, and weeks after having announced you were pregnant or, or other things it's gonna be a lot that goes on. I'm interested in two angles on this first, what consumers should smartly do, what women should do. But first, what, what should we expect the companies to do for the users? They're also doing things for their employees. Then we'll get to that in a few minutes. But for the users, a highly responsible tech company should now do what
Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:44):
This is tough because legally they're obligated to share this data. When you agree to the terms and services, even if you don't read 'em, they're like, Hey, if I've got a subpoena and if your state issues, if your, if your state D.A. Or whoever prosecutor issues, the subpoena for that data, they have to give it up. So,
Jeff Jarvis (00:08:03):
So what data should, should they, should there be certain data that they give you a ability to erase or that they should erase on a regular schedule or
Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:14):
I think asking the tech companies to do anything here is silly. It's, it's how we're trained to think as Americans, because we tend to think the answer lies with private enterprise, but the answer actually unfortunately lies with high quality regulation. You could do it either by making a federal law to make abortion legal, that solves this particular issue. Or you could do a federal privacy law that prevents and lays out parameters that could address the disparity in the state's laws here about when and how they can when and what, and how they can give up data. When they give up data, what data they give up and how
Jeff Jarvis (00:08:53):
<Laugh>. But, but we have a, a non-functioning democracy in many ways, these things that should be done, I agree at a federal level, aren't gonna get done either on privacy or on abortion. And so if you are an executive of a tech company saying, Hmm what's what can I do? What should I do? Is there any guidance at all for them?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:09:15):
I, I think they're trying to do what they can. They're in a really crappy position in the sense, like they're, they're saying things like, Hey, we will fund your abortion. We will fund travel out of the states so you can go get one. And I mean, that's a nice, but what
Ant Pruitt (00:09:29):
Makes that a crappy position for 'em?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:09:33):
What,
Ant Pruitt (00:09:34):
What makes that a crappy position for the tech companies? Because I, I, I wanna say I heard it from you and I totally agreed at the time when you were saying, or someone said that these tech companies are putting all of these different advertisements and post up about being for the cause. And you know, we support yada yada, yada. But yet at the same time, all it was was just that post. They didn't put their money where their mouth is. If you know what I mean. And here is an instance where they are actually putting their money where their mouth is. So what makes it, if you know
Jeff Jarvis (00:10:10):
What you say, this is
Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:12):
The prosecutor or the law enforcement off. Yeah. If the law enforcement officers go to your company's HR and they say, Hey, we want these records.
Ant Pruitt (00:10:20):
Mm-Hmm
Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:20):
<Affirmative> if your state, if your, if your company there, there's a couple issues. One, I'm not sure that they would feel comfortable and even legally protected if they refused to give that information away. But two, it, it requires you to have a job to be able to get access to what is really healthcare. And we already have that system here. So that's not super unusual. Yeah. But think about like, think about a teenager who wants to get an abortion. Yeah. They can't.
Ant Pruitt (00:10:52):
Right.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:53):
So
Jeff Jarvis (00:10:55):
What about from the user consumer perspective? What, from the consumer, if you lived in, if you lived in, in, in pick a state who was the first one? Missouri, Texas, Texas. Yep. Well, yeah. Yeah. You, you know, Texas what different digital hygiene would you take on if you were thinking of getting pregnant?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:24):
I don't think, I, I think the things people are suggesting are helpful. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, I don't think they can cover everything. Nope. And I, and I say that because like, I don't know if y'all remember, probably this was one of the first big data stories. It came in on like 2013 or something. And it was target realizing some kid was pregnant before they did mm-hmm <affirmative> and sent a notice to the, a mailer to the house and the dad. It was very big who haha. It's not just tech companies that know this
Jeff Jarvis (00:11:59):
<Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:00):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And so like, I don't think you can actually protect yourself. You could, you could pay cash for everything. You could only surf the internet through, you know, tour. You could do everything as encrypted as possible,
Ant Pruitt (00:12:17):
You know? Could not have a phone perhaps.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:20):
Yeah. You could smart phone, not have a phone without. So how do, how
Jeff Jarvis (00:12:25):
Do you work smart days without, without how do you, how do you, you don't like call your doctor? How do you stay in touch with your family?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:33):
Yeah. Doesn't have
Ant Pruitt (00:12:34):
A landline smartphone get a, get a feature phone. That's that's you know, doesn't have all of the smarts and connectivity
Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:40):
Perhaps. Well you would have to have it not have GPS.
Ant Pruitt (00:12:44):
Ah, yeah. There's that too. <Laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (00:12:46):
Well, they could still subpoena the the cell phone records, right? The tower that's
Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:51):
True.
Ant Pruitt (00:12:51):
Actually they could come,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:53):
You would just have to revert back to a landline and an
Jeff Jarvis (00:12:56):
Answer, but they can and they can subpoena your what, what numbers you called.
Ant Pruitt (00:13:03):
Yeah. Guess they can.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:04):
Yes. But you probably, I mean, I guess you could get a burner phone and use it. Not in, if you were gonna use a burner phone, you would never wanna use it from your house. You would wanna make sure. Right. I mean, like I'm not a spy, I'm not trained in.
Jeff Jarvis (00:13:19):
Sure. And I don't think nor should we have to be family that's
Ant Pruitt (00:13:22):
That's that's what a spy is supposed to say. Mr. Jardi
Jeff Jarvis (00:13:25):
<Laugh> well, that's right.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:28):
This is my cover. I
Jeff Jarvis (00:13:32):
Think, I think Stacy's outfit today does look rather like European dashing spy. Doesn't it?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:38):
Yeah's my junky. The airline part
Jeff Jarvis (00:13:40):
To save the world. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:42):
And, and I am going to Paris next week, so, oh, well
Jeff Jarvis (00:13:44):
You are see here. We my, oh my.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:50):
So I mean, I wanna tell people, I, I just feel like we have to understand the scope of the problem and the scope of the problem is everybody has a vested interest in knowing if you're pregnant in this society. So, and there are no legal protections for companies that are like, oh crap. I don't wanna give this data up. How far do I think attorneys gen or the, the attorneys in the state who would prosecute this would go. I, I don't know. And I also think that if we leave this as it is, we're just gonna get years of legal cases while this is figured out in the court system, like interstate commerce rules, you know, you're like, oh my, my state that I'm in now has already said, companies shall not give their data away to companies or to, to prosecutors seeking location data on people who come to our state to have an abortion. I don't know how that works. Do you like walk into Washington? And you're like, I'm here for an abortion. And do you tell Google? So I like is Google gonna create separate servers for each state based on their abortion rules so they can make sure they enforce these laws. I mean, it's a freaking nightmare.
Jeff Jarvis (00:14:58):
Yeah. And, and duck dot go, doesn't do it. And incognito mode doesn't do it.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:15:03):
No, you would have to use tour.
Jeff Jarvis (00:15:05):
You'd have to use tour. You'd have to be encrypted in damage, which
Stacey Higginbotham (00:15:09):
Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (00:15:09):
Is civilians don't do.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:15:13):
I don't even do it. I'm a freaking journalist who sometimes report something <laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (00:15:17):
Yeah, no, it's, it's a pain in the, but
Stacey Higginbotham (00:15:19):
Yeah. I was like the last time I used tour was like a decade ago.
Ant Pruitt (00:15:23):
I know one person that actually uses it for work related stuff and that's it. And it's are they a spot? Everybody else has just talks about it. <Laugh> they're not a spy, but they're, they're, you're doing journalism. So they have to protect their sources and stuff like that. So,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:15:41):
Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (00:15:42):
So what about the, the companies? I we've already mentioned this an the, the, the comp Google sent a letter to its employees saying that, that they can just relocate without an explanation to a state. And, and I think that makes a lot of sense. Companies are changing their HR policies. Again, this is just the tech industry and we cover the tech industry, but mm-hmm, <affirmative>, I would imagine this needs to happen in every damn industry out there. But some companies, you can't, some jobs you can't move. You know, I work for Luigi's pizza on main street in north Calak, whatever Leo says your town is, is
Stacey Higginbotham (00:16:15):
Cadillac
Jeff Jarvis (00:16:16):
KAK. Thank you. You know, there isn't a branch of Leos in Seattle that are Leo's pizza. That is and so, you know, it's, it's, it's another statement of privilege that people who work for companies large enough with policies generous enough and the jobs that allow them to move that's that's a small portion of, of, of, of people I think.
Ant Pruitt (00:16:38):
Privilege.
Jeff Jarvis (00:16:39):
Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So there's the letter from Google, which says that, that you know, it's, it's, it's an important statement to make the, the head of HR or whatever they call it people or whatever. So that equity is extraordinarily important to us. As a company, we share concerns about the impact that this really will have of people's health lives and careers to support Googlers and their dependents, our us benefits plan and health insurance covers out of state medical procedures that are not available where an employee lives and works. Googlers can also apply for relocation without justification. That is to say, don't say why you're moving because it'll get subpoenaed. And those overseeing this process will be aware of the situation, which is to say, say yes, when they ask it, if you need additional sport connect one on one, which is to say, not in a subpoena way with the people consultant capital key, PE capital C via link redacted. So that's what one company is doing. I salute them. I think it's good, but it affects only their employees. And only as you say, in that position of privilege,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:43):
And as you say, the policy that says, you just go out of state for any medical procedures. And some companies are like, Hey, any medical procedure that opens up things like for gender, gender reassignment, gender non-conforming words. So it opens up, you know, the opportunity for lots of other things and does make it, you know, you can just say, Hey, I have to go for a medical procedure to someplace else. And no one knows. So that's, that is a nice way of doing it or a safe way of doing it. It's just that we can't, I don't have the data right now on the percentage of people. And I don't even know if we have the data on the, the types of jobs that people who tend to get abortions have, I mean, rich, right? Yeah. Well off people have always, even when abortions were legal, they were able to get them, they would drive down to Mexico. So, but you can't, I mean, having a baby is a lot of freaking work in it's expensive and you can't leave people with that. Is there like, no,
Ant Pruitt (00:18:55):
Oh, you know, so again, just
Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:57):
Like, no, it's awful.
Ant Pruitt (00:18:59):
This, this is, this is a good effort from the tech companies. But I believe more can be done. How about these same tech companies that are making in gazillion dollars, do something with the lobbyists that are in place.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:19:16):
Do you know what I mean? I
Ant Pruitt (00:19:16):
Mean, no one ever really brings that up. <Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (00:19:20):
Could you could Google say, you know what, it's no longer, like, I would love to see Google be like, you know what it is. So not worth it to have operations in these states cuz no one wants to work there anymore.
Jeff Jarvis (00:19:31):
Mm. Except I saw that going on, I saw people talking about having academic conferences or tech conferences should not occur in these half of the states. People immediately came on and said, whoa, your and I, I don't have two minds about this. You have the people who lack the privilege and lack the money and have those kinds of jobs where they can't move and are often people of color work in those states and live in those states. And if you cut them off, if you cut those states off, you cut off their economic basis. And I don't know which way to go on that because, because, you know, after, after some of the laws, the passed on on gender my university said we were not allowed to travel to certain states no matter who paid for it, we couldn't go there. And I supported that. But I also understand the argument, the contrary argument here that says, you know, you cut off the half of America where people need it. The other, the other question is people are saying I'm gonna move. And I think people actually will move then any effort to make Texas more purple get set back.
Jeff Jarvis (00:20:29):
So in terms of cutting off these places, there are unintended consequences, which I think are,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:20:37):
Yeah, well there's, I mean, there's gonna be a lot of unintended consequences from what what's happening right now. <Laugh> just in general. I, I don't, I mean, I think it's fine if companies say, Hey, it's no longer worth it to have operations here because no one wants to work there. I, I do think there's a lot of push there and you can see companies like caterpillar moving its headquarters to Texas just a few weeks ago. They did it because they were frustrated with Illinois's tax laws and the way that those were affecting them. And they announced
Ant Pruitt (00:21:11):
All the time. Yeah. That happens
Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:13):
All the time. So I mean,
Ant Pruitt (00:21:19):
Company
Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:19):
Tesla moved to Texas, they've moved yeah. In protest of California. Right. <laugh>
Ant Pruitt (00:21:25):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative>
Jeff Jarvis (00:21:27):
Right. So who's gonna
Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:28):
This. Yeah. So it doesn't make, I don't think it's terrible. I think most states recognize when that happens. They will recognize that that is a problem. And what they'll probably do is fund gift corporations, more money, as opposed to actually backtrack on their laws, which then just further tilts the scale towards us, relying more and more on private enterprise for basic rights, which is terrible.
Jeff Jarvis (00:21:57):
So speaking of that, now we have, we do have some alternatives out there, like plan B mm-hmm <affirmative>. And there was a story this week that at first Facebook and Instagram were cutting off ads for and searches for mailed abortion pills. Then they updated and said it was incorrect enforcement and they put it back up. But it, it illustrates the point you just made Stacy is that, is that we end up beholden to corporations for these critical things. If we can't, if you can't go to the, to the nearby Rex hall, if Rexo still exists and and, and buy the pill cause it's outlawed in your state and you, and you order it through the mail. Well, will you be able to see an ad for it on Facebook? Will you be able to order it? An Amazon will get to that in a second? If you order it through FedEx because it's not the us postal service, will that be vulnerable to search by local authorities?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:22:55):
Ah, I mean, yeah, like right now, if I try to send weed to Texas weed is legal in the us. It's or sorry, weed is legal in Washington.
Jeff Jarvis (00:23:05):
It's not yet in the us illegal.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:23:07):
Yeah. Yeah. Illegal in Texas. I mean, Texas confiscates weed in the mail regularly. I don't know this for, I'm not trying to bail weed. <Laugh> not, not
Jeff Jarvis (00:23:18):
It's one way to keep your parents happy
Ant Pruitt (00:23:20):
Again. Des SP talking
Stacey Higginbotham (00:23:22):
<Laugh> yeah, I know. Well in it
Jeff Jarvis (00:23:30):
<Laugh>, and I don't mean to pry, but you have family back in mm-hmm <affirmative> that part of the country is a discussion in the family at all, or among friends or no, it's it is what it is.
Ant Pruitt (00:23:43):
You gotta understand that most of my family and the few people in my circle, we just sort of, we try to just stay away from all of it, because quite honestly, we don't feel like anything's gonna be done or anything is going to ever matter. That's gonna be a lot of disappointment one way or another. And the stuff that's going on with the, the women's rights is just, it's just the tip of the iceberg. As far as we're concerned, most of us feel like it's only gonna get worse regardless of who we vote for on top of that.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:18):
Yeah. Yeah. Which is the bigger issue. This is not, I mean, like this is not a tech issue. This is just an
Ant Pruitt (00:24:25):
Issue. Yeah. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative>,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:26):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and tech companies and technology is not gonna help us with this. It can push us over, you know, I think we've seen how it's affected our democracy which I know you love talking about Jeff, but I mean, I, I, this is, this is people have to get out on the ground and do something. I mean, you have to, we have to stop being so complacent. And that means people like us too. I mean, mm-hmm <affirmative> and it means more than just protesting it. It actually means doing the work in terms of like local activism. And I don't think many of us are prepared to do that.
Ant Pruitt (00:25:08):
No, I'm just one claim that I
Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:11):
Said
Ant Pruitt (00:25:13):
It's
Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:13):
An on we,
Ant Pruitt (00:25:15):
Right. I, I,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:16):
I dunno if it's on, we it's just, and I, I think frustra feel it more than others. I think like, look, I, I feel like I saw this coming in 2016 when Donald Trump was elected, like, and I, I warn people and everyone around he's like, no, no, don't be silly. <Laugh>
Ant Pruitt (00:25:35):
Of
Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:35):
Course. And it could have gone. I mean, it didn't have to go this way, but it did. And I feel that there is still people like my husband, he, he is not, I'm like ready to move <laugh> I'm just ready to go. <Laugh> yeah, I see what's happening here. And I'm like, oh, no. Yeah. But he's like, no, it's not that bad. So there's always gonna be people who are going, who are ready to be complacent, cuz it's easy. And I think people who are in the groups that are gonna be most affected women,
Ant Pruitt (00:26:04):
You know, the thing is I totally see where Mr Andy's coming from. Because there are times when I think to myself, you know what, there are thousands and thousands of people that are fleeing to get here. And there's a reason for that. You know? So I always sort of think twice about a lot of the bad bull crap that's happening in our government and say, you know what? It could be a lot worse because there's still people that are literally dying to get into these different borders.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:41):
Those people are dying to get here. A lot of, a lot of them are dying to get here from central American Mexico where it is admittedly so much less, like so much less safe. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> you don't see as many people coming here, like the number of people applying for us, universities is down Uhhuh. Yeah. So you don't see immigration and you see the same level of like migrants in Europe coming from parts of Africa and places that are affected right now by climate change in poverty. So I appreciate that argument, but I'm also like, yeah, they're dying to get here because yeah. This is still better than like being murdered by a drug cartel and having your body dumped at a desert
Ant Pruitt (00:27:24):
<Laugh>. Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (00:27:25):
Yeah. But I think Anne's point too before was that, that it's, it's politically, you gotta be motivated and you're gonna be motivated if you think there's a chance for change. If you don't think there's a chance for change, then people aren't gonna be out there. And, and between this and January 6th, which also has its tech angles too you know, we don't know where this is gonna turn out we'll
Ant Pruitt (00:27:48):
Yeah. I, I can sit here and tell you about my voting experience, especially like this most recent voting experience here in state of California. No, I'm not gonna divulge who I filled in the bubbles for, but I spent that whole time filling at that ballot thinking, eh, not gonna matter, eh, they're just gonna Rob me too. Eh, he's this, person's not gonna fix it, but might as well give it a try. That, that was my thought. The whole Daum time.
Jeff Jarvis (00:28:16):
Yeah. That's sad. It's just, well, thank
Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:18):
You for voting
Jeff Jarvis (00:28:19):
Anyways. Not a realistic. Yeah. Thank you for voting <laugh> we are your little sticker proudly. Let me go back to, to another tech topic on this, just to, just to round it out here. Which is two things tied together at a higher level. What the Supreme court talked about at, and what Thomas particularly is going after is privacy. Privacy is not have we discussed in the show before privacy is not enshrined in the constitution. It came out of decisions like Griswold. It came out of these decisions and it was a crafted right that the Supreme court at one level just took away and they could take away others. And privacy is a topic we talk about constantly on this show and it's, it's, it's key to technology and it's key to the internet as we move forward. So I, I, I wonder whether just at a higher level than abortion, I think, I think what you both said is Stacy, you said, well, there's not much we can do about technology.
Jeff Jarvis (00:29:11):
It is what it is. And, and you said, well, politically there's not much we can do. It is what it is. <Laugh> stipulated your honors. Let's go up a level and say, in terms of the architecture of the net, in terms of things like encryption, in terms of statements of rates about, about what we should expect from tech companies at a higher level about privacy I think this brings it home and I'm one of those I've said, you know, on the show many times privacy's important, but so is publicness and I, I kind of talk about it. The other side of that privacy's important and it's more important now than ever. Are there any things you would like to see from technology companies different from what we've seen in the last 10 years?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:29:48):
Well, is this story I would like to see? Yeah. I mean, and I've talked about this, I think you need limited data limited. What is the word? Gosh, COVID y'all has really broke my brain. You should only keep data for like six months. We need to limit the amount of data that people can keep. We need to redefine PII. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>
Ant Pruitt (00:30:11):
We
Stacey Higginbotham (00:30:11):
Need to, yeah. <Laugh> we need to be transparent when we buy devices or sign up for things, you know, thing at what is tracking people, what is being tracked and where that data's going to not written in legalese. So things like, yeah,
Ant Pruitt (00:30:29):
They apple done legalese for a reason.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:30:32):
<Laugh> no, I know they're gonna change have yes. I think there user friendly ways to disclose that information. So there are nutritional datas for like what data is being collected and shared. I think what apple and Google did with their apps in the app store, when you download an app and you see the permissions, I think that's a good way to do that. That's yeah. I should also point out if you're unaware. The beginning of June there is a bipartisan privacy bill, a federal privacy bill, a draft of it was released. It is epic. The, the <laugh> I read it when it came out, there is a 64 page, like overview of it. And the bill itself is mammoth, but it, it apply. It basically changes the way that we think about privacy here in the us and way we've historically regulated it.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:30):
So they're basically, they modeled the laws off of the state laws. So not GDPR. So it doesn't have this like whole enshrining, a right to privacy. Instead. It really focuses on the data, says there's certain types of data that will be private. It's basically trying to say like PII and data that can help point back to a person. So think of like location data, where you go to your house every night, it's pretty easy to figure out who you are from that. It does exclude de-identified data. So it doesn't, it actually doesn't solve the location data problem. I'm sorry. And then they talk about things like data minimization. So don't collect as much data. They say that you can't do certain types of data processing such as like transferring biometric and genetic information without getting positive consent. You need to do privacy by design, in your policies and procedures.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:32:36):
They have categories of sensitive data. They have, they actually bring children's data. They make it private up until the age of 17. Oh, they actually, I think that's great. I've been wanting that for a while. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> they need data. Brokers will have to register with the FTC and they have to provide like audit logs and share that data. There's a lot of stuff about data security, there's classification of companies as like large data handlers. And that's based on how much data you have and how much money you make on it. And it puts the enforcement at the federal and the state attorney's general level. There's a lot of stuff that isn't in there, but it's just a draft and we don't know if that'll happen, but I just wanted y'all to know that that's out there. And
Jeff Jarvis (00:33:24):
So politically, what are you hearing about, about right versus left and tech versus media views of,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:33:32):
We haven't heard a lot because things kind of blew up when it, it came out on a Friday and then the week after that, I feel like something big happened. And I mean, it feels like something big's happening all the time. Right. So we haven't, I, I, I don't see a lot of people talking about it. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> yet
Jeff Jarvis (00:33:55):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative>
Stacey Higginbotham (00:33:57):
Oh, but I can stick the little draft in the here. No,
Jeff Jarvis (00:33:59):
You do. Yeah. Thank you for that. That you've read it more than I have. So I'm, I'm actually glad to have gotten that, that little Pressy there. That's great. All right. One more question then, then we'll go to, to Leo doing a commercial and in encryption tourisms, a pain, we just, we just all said shrugged. And so we don't do it. Yeah. Some message applications are encrypted is there, but, but I don't think we have a lot of faith in that.
Ant Pruitt (00:34:27):
We don't have, I don't think I have faith in the messaging apps with the encryption because of it's they're just not mainstream enough. It's just not a reason to get people to install it. It could
Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:39):
Be
Jeff Jarvis (00:34:40):
That's. My question is what would it take to make encryption more demanded both on the company side and on the client side, on our, on the consumer side.
Ant Pruitt (00:34:49):
I don't think this is no different in, in I'm. I'm not trying to be funny or anything, but I don't think that argument or question is no different from, well, why not get people to move from Facebook to this new social media platform? Yeah, because it's got this spell and whistle, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's because of the barrier to entry. It's just, it's too much for people. People don't <laugh> they don't wanna change. They'll talk about it, but they're not gonna go. And you telling me I need to install this new app just so it can be encrypted to talk to my mother. Oh, that's okay. I'll take my chances. That's exactly what they'll
Jeff Jarvis (00:35:25):
Say. <Laugh>
Ant Pruitt (00:35:26):
That's exactly what they said. They won't install that sales for brother.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:31):
I'm like, what if gen Z? So the teenage girls start installing it. And then if you, you wanna talk to a teenage girl, which means teenage boys will start installing it. Their parents may install it to protect their kids. Okay. So maybe you
Jeff Jarvis (00:35:45):
Don't get, but parents might get freaked about it too. If parents can't read it.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:49):
Well, yeah, cuz there's always gonna be people who are like, oh my God, it's end to end encryption. I mean, it's not like we've settled this in this, this country that end end encryption is great. Cuz
Ant Pruitt (00:35:59):
Law it's hard enough to get people to just use VPN on anything. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> you know?
Jeff Jarvis (00:36:05):
Well, this has been a cheery beginning of the show. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (00:36:08):
Way to go the Jarvis.
Jeff Jarvis (00:36:10):
All right. Alright. So I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna do one other thing here. I don't see any initials in the here yet, but what we do the commercial you start looking through, but I'm gonna give you one story for a cheery moment. Line 70 taco bell has announced a toast on a giant cheese. It 18 times the size of a regular Chet. Now this is important news. Wouldn't you agree?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:36:36):
It, it combines our favorite foods, taco bell and Caso hardened Caso. But wait, is it like a, it says cheese at toast.
Jeff Jarvis (00:36:46):
It's a cheese, cheese at toast. Yes. It's oh, I'm sorry. Six.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:36:49):
I'm looking at the picture. Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (00:36:51):
16 times larger. You could also get it made into one of their crunchy things with it's wrapped in 53 layers of more fat as well. But I think, I think the simplicity of this is nice. The cheese, it toast data is a major advance in American consumerism and technology. What does it take to make a giant cheese? It, I mean, that's not gonna, that's not easy. You know,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:12):
I was like, I actually used to know who Mandalay, who makes Cheezits was it Molay or Debico
Ant Pruitt (00:37:19):
Great Nabisco. I thought,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:22):
Ah, it Wasco. Nevermind. I was like, I know that I know the, I, I, the industrial IOT that's doing the factory automation for those guys,
Jeff Jarvis (00:37:29):
Kelloggs, Kelloggs were we're all wrong.
Ant Pruitt (00:37:32):
Oh, really? Kelloggs makes Jesus
Jeff Jarvis (00:37:35):
Kelloggs, which is soon gonna be split off. I actually put this on rundown last. No possible used to bring it up. Yeah. that Kelloggs is gonna be broken up into three companies. And one of them is called something as a working title. Something like future snack company, I would buy I'd buy, stocking a snack company. Wouldn't you? Yeah. So this is a major
Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:55):
Love snacks leap
Jeff Jarvis (00:37:56):
Forward in snack technology. I think that's, that's, that's a wonderful thing. And on that note, taco
Ant Pruitt (00:38:01):
Bell for thinking about all the, the stoners and coming up with this.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:06):
Well, you know, what's, what's most significant about it is actually that it means that taco bell is gonna bring one more ingredient inside its production lights, cuz taco bell is famous for only having
Ant Pruitt (00:38:18):
Oh yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:19):
X number of ingredients. And they, from that, they assemble everything. But this is a new one. So that's worth celebrating
Jeff Jarvis (00:38:26):
It. It, it is indeed. And they've been out of Mexican pizza, which is, which is causing problems. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:31):
I don't even
Jeff Jarvis (00:38:31):
Know. All right. That's that's our taco bell moment for the, for the week. Now we're gonna go and get a break from taco bell, with Leo, giving you an advertisement over to you, Leo.
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Jeff Jarvis (00:41:50):
So on nine, I'd be confused. Is he on a boat? Is he not on a boat?
Leo Laporte (00:41:53):
<Laugh> he
Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:53):
Just boat that's best for when he's on the cruise.
Leo Laporte (00:41:56):
That's for when he is on the cruise, sir.
Jeff Jarvis (00:41:58):
When is he going on the cruise?
Leo Laporte (00:42:00):
I think that
Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:01):
He's going on the cruise on the 15, 15th
Leo Laporte (00:42:03):
Or 15th.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:04):
Oh, he hits Seattle I think on the 15th.
Jeff Jarvis (00:42:07):
Oh, I'm very confused. I'm very confused. Leo. Don't worry. Jet said he Leo, just, just, just leave me all. Alright, so this is a democracy. So there are other big stories to, to get, which we probably should get to, but it be democracy. And the fact that I've already used up my free Bloomberg articles for the month, I put this one in there in, in the rundown as Stacy bat, hoping she would explain it to me cuz I, I can't read it cuz I've gone over my allocation. So ADT and Google sta Stacy explain what's going on.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:33):
Yeah. So we actually talked about this on my show. So tomorrow you can skip, you can skip the section of my show tomorrow if you listen. But this is, this is actually a delightful article as a journalist. I have to say the article starts out with where in, where are we? Paul meadow bay, Florida underneath a Thomas Kincade painting with an installer for a D T. And I just like, I know exactly what kind of home this is and who it's for in the audience. Right? I'm like, I'm like, all right. So this is talking back in August, 2020, Google purchased a 6.6% stake in ADT, the security company. I think it was 450 million. And this is basically saying two years later, what has come of this? And the answer for Google is, eh, maybe not that much, but for ADT it's been huge.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:43:27):
And it talks about, you know, ADT is bundling. Some of Google's smart home hardware, like the nest doorbells cameras, displays thermostats, all of that in with ADTs, other sensors and alarm things. And they're trying to build solutions for customers. What Google gets out of this is basically they sell more nest devices that get access to this huge base of installers. And this is so important because the smart home is such a pain in the butt to install good Lord. And most people don't wanna do it. And it also puts it in like old people's homes. <Laugh> ah, I shouldn't say old people, but older people who may not be smart home aficionados, right? These are not the people who buy ADT. And the other thing is Google's gonna get that data from them. We we're all about that. Data
Jeff Jarvis (00:44:26):
Answers are getting, won't be getting
Stacey Higginbotham (00:44:27):
Pregnant. Yeah. So it gets that demographic data and ADT gets to appear like with it hip and with the times and addresses, cuz they've really had clunky, old yucky equipment that nobody really cares for. Without,
Jeff Jarvis (00:44:43):
Without a deal like this would ADT have gone out of business eventually, cuz it just was so old and clunky.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:44:48):
No, well maybe, but ADT, the stat in the story was like 80% of its revenue is recurring revenue from people. So they really had no reason to care. They're just like
Jeff Jarvis (00:44:59):
Must have told us
Ant Pruitt (00:45:00):
ADT lean more on the enterprise side of things.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:03):
No, no they're very super home. You know those little home. No, no they're super consumer.
Ant Pruitt (00:45:08):
Okay. I wasn't sure
Jeff Jarvis (00:45:09):
Stickers grandma's house, you know?
Ant Pruitt (00:45:11):
Yeah. You see those everywhere, but I think I'm seeing more and more of the, the rings and whys the, all the other security cams.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:20):
Well that's what in ADT was likes they saw, I mean they saw this coming ADT actually in 2013, invested in a company called Sonoff to help like make it smarter and get into that space and they faint. Right. So
Ant Pruitt (00:45:36):
You know what the sad thing is though with, with that said that ain't stopping people. <Laugh> people are still rolling. No it's not. They see your camera and like, Hey, I'm gonna just check and see what's in your car right now. <Laugh> and literally wave that's true. The camera, you know, it it's, it is like, does that even matter anymore? The sign used to deter people back in the nineties. <Laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (00:46:01):
What do you recommend for, for security these days? This IOT,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:05):
It depends on who you are. I mean, I, I shouldn't say this. I don't have a security system cuz I don't think they're really worth the money. <Laugh> I think it, I also live in a pretty safe place. That's the other thing. Yeah. I, if you've got like porch pirates yeah. I recommend a doorbell camera tied to an alarm. Right. I really, and there's some really cool things like vivid actually just introduce, I think this is actually really cool. And this is all AI based basically. They have a doorbell camera that's linked to an alarm system and a light and they'll see if someone is at your door and it's not someone it recognizes. And they linger there for more than X number of seconds. And you can set this up. Your doorbell will start going. Beep beep it's like the car alarm effect, but it's possibly a little bit more, no,
Jeff Jarvis (00:46:55):
Wait, wait. So, so it's using facial recognition, number one,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:57):
Right? It is it's using image recognition on your face locally. So it only stores your family's faces locally. And if it's not one of those it actually may not be, this
Jeff Jarvis (00:47:09):
Sounds mighty inhospitable.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:14):
Well, if someone gets up and brings your doorbell, it's not gonna beep at them. But it's like, if, if I come up and I like try to take your package, it will yell at me. Or if I like avoider,
Jeff Jarvis (00:47:28):
What if you're and
Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:29):
You don't have to turn
Jeff Jarvis (00:47:29):
That it was on guy dropping the package off.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:34):
Yeah. It, that, that person's dropping and going. So it knows that. Oh,
Jeff Jarvis (00:47:37):
I see. So it's it's a matter of time. Oh, okay.
Ant Pruitt (00:47:40):
That makes sense algorithm.
Jeff Jarvis (00:47:42):
So my, my 96 year old father, if he tried to very slowly get up the stairs, it's gonna yell at him and give 'em a heart attack. Very nice. Yeah. That's
Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:50):
Nice. You don't have to turn it on.
Jeff Jarvis (00:47:54):
Hi. And do you believe in sec, I don't wanna make you reveal anything about your home. Do you
Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:58):
Believe in security security
Jeff Jarvis (00:47:59):
Stuff?
Ant Pruitt (00:48:00):
Well, I'm, I'm sort of like what Ms. Stacy says. I think there are a bit of a waste and let's
Ant Pruitt (00:48:08):
Cuz most of the time, by the time they go off, it's too late, you know, they've already done the damage if you will. But it's nice to be able to try to minimize the damage. So there's that. But yeah, for me, I definitely have the cameras around here just to keep an eye out on things because there's a lot of homeless people that roam around and they've been quite curious, I've seen it with my own eyes and I've seen it on camera and you know, fortunately it it's, it hasn't been a bunch of times, but it was enough times for me to, you know, notice it.
Jeff Jarvis (00:48:45):
We used to
Ant Pruitt (00:48:46):
Having a dog named Kylo.
Jeff Jarvis (00:48:48):
Yeah. That, that helps. That helps.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:48:51):
Yeah. I think a dog is probably more effective than a home security system in any
Jeff Jarvis (00:48:55):
Cases <laugh> mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. A cat. However it doesn't do Jack
Ant Pruitt (00:48:59):
<Laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (00:49:00):
Jack goes right under the bed.
Ant Pruitt (00:49:02):
But then, well I must give biscuit some credit too. Biscuit is the tiny one of the bunch, but a biscuit hears anything in these barking, which can be annoying. But at three of the morning, when I hear him barking, it's usually for a reason.
Jeff Jarvis (00:49:17):
Cause he, he, he protects you.
Ant Pruitt (00:49:19):
So he
Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:20):
People stole my Adirondack chairs off of my porch in one of my house. No like an old house. Not, not, I don't have more than one house, but like older house and my dog slept through the whole thing. I walked out on the front porch and I
Jeff Jarvis (00:49:33):
Was like, ha ha
Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:35):
What happened? And then I was like, oh it must be, this is, this is my brain. I was like, oh it must have been my dad. I was expecting him, my parents to show up this morning. They must have gotten here early and he moved it to prank me. So I walked around in the house looking for the chairs cause I was like, surely they're here.
Ant Pruitt (00:49:48):
Well, that's what the dog was thinking too. Oh, they're pulling that prank. All right. I'm just gonna sleep.
Jeff Jarvis (00:49:53):
Yep. Yep. My job. I don't care. I don't care. Alright so we, so we on big stories, let's, let's just take democracy to this level here. You guys pick which one we wanna talk about. We should probably talk about a few big stories here. We got the Elon report of the week, miscellaneous on news. We've got Trump and truth, social the problems there related. We have Google and some controversy, interesting controversy around whether political emails go to spam. We have a little bit on January 6th and how that's been kind of made for the internet. And we have Instagram looking at young people's faces to figure out how old they are with technology.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:38):
Which one of those man, they should not do that. This is where audits come from. We'll talk. I'm like I'm ready on Instagram.
Jeff Jarvis (00:50:44):
Okay, fine. Go, go, go. Did you look
Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:47):
At that story? This is an example of like, you know how I said, like you could infer someone's pregnant. They're inferring someone's age based on data. And when you're dealing with inference and that's really all. I mean, when people say AI, they're basically saying, yeah, we're gonna infer some. We're gonna infer something about something based on what my computer thinks. And those things can be biased. They can be wrong, which is why we need audits as part of all of this and for a company. I mean, for a company it's less problematic. I mean, it just means that you won't get on Instagram, I guess, but basically these are stupid and you have to prove they work. And right now we do the opposite. We throw them out into the world and you have to prove they don't work and that's not right.
Jeff Jarvis (00:51:31):
I have, I have Asian friends, particularly who constantly get told, oh, you, you look so young and get mistaken and get carted and so on more and yeah,
Ant Pruitt (00:51:41):
There is that phrase. Black don't crack, sir. I'll go ahead and say yeah,
Jeff Jarvis (00:51:44):
Well there's, there's that too. Thank you. <Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:51):
Yeah, I wasn't going there.
Jeff Jarvis (00:51:53):
Yeah. And, and is only 21 and look at the career he is already had. It's amazing.
Ant Pruitt (00:51:56):
Yeah. Queen Peru gets carted all the time. Really? yeah. Carted all the time and thinking Instagram would get that right? No, no shot.
Jeff Jarvis (00:52:07):
No, no. Especially not. No, no. So, so yeah. Did this, did this trip, your creepy alarms? So wait, I guess we should do a little more of the story. So Instagram is contracted with a company. Where is it now here? Oh, Christ. I can't cut it up. I forget this part of Leo's job is to actually talk about the story. He is ready to go part of few facts. Yeah. Oh, silly me.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:30):
You gotta orient all of us cuz they not, everyone reads the stories.
Jeff Jarvis (00:52:33):
Yeah. I know. I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't. Yeah. Well fire me, just fire me right now. You can take it. It's a, it's already an anarchy. What are you could take over and it's fine.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:42):
Wait, I, that we're not gonna fire you. It sounds like you're trying to abdicate
Jeff Jarvis (00:52:46):
<Laugh> yeah. <Laugh> I will not be king. Nice. So the company is called Yoti, Y O T I it finds that it is less accurate for female faces and yes. People with darker skin and that for under 20 fours, its estimates can be off by two and a half years. However, if the tool is making broad guess about user's age, it's accuracy improves 1 20 20 analysis of yo V system by a third party. Nonprofit found that it was 98.8, 9% reliable in guest people's age. All right. So, but the point of this is larger it's and it goes to what you said earlier, Stacy, about, about, about the federal privacy regulations. Instagram says you have to be 13 to be on Instagram. What the hell can they do about it? Now we get pissed off. The kids are on social media. We get legislation and regulation aimed at saying you're you're, you're going after children and you're addicting them. So do they need to do desperate things like this is, this is
Ant Pruitt (00:53:45):
The thing, Instagram can't win in this. You no, we're gonna, we're gonna bitch and moan about them. Not having these types of measures in place, but yet when they're saying, Hey, we need to try to address this. There's not gonna be a proper way for them to do this. I don't, I don't think there is cuz anybody can go in there and just put in the wrong information, which is what all teenagers do anyway,
Jeff Jarvis (00:54:08):
Which they do. Of course.
Ant Pruitt (00:54:09):
Yeah. Yeah. So it's, I mean, they're damned if they do damn, if they don't.
Jeff Jarvis (00:54:15):
Yep. Stacy, as a parent, would you have welcomed this when your daughter was 12? I know she
Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:24):
I would not let my 12 year old be on Instagram, but that's
Jeff Jarvis (00:54:27):
What I'm saying. Would you, would you have welcomed this, prevent her from being on Instagram?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:31):
I feel like with a 12 year old, you probably have enough control over their devices still to not have to rely on something like this at 15 or so. It becomes a little bit more problematic.
Ant Pruitt (00:54:43):
I can, I concur.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:46):
That's really tough. Like, I mean, I wanna say that people probably should be slightly more active parents at that age, but
Ant Pruitt (00:54:56):
Like, oh, oh wait a minute. <Laugh> go step on some toes there. Miss Stacy B. Well,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:01):
No that's but that's so I'm like, but is that is well I'm like, is that fair? Cuz there are some devious children running around out there. <Laugh> yeah.
Ant Pruitt (00:55:09):
Oh yeah. No. Would also, I agree with you. So I'm not worried about that. I agree with you a hundred percent, but every time I've admit I've said that same statement people have come at me hard.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:19):
What do you do
Ant Pruitt (00:55:20):
You think? You're a better parent. And I'm like, no, I'm not thinking I'm the better parent, but I'm thinking most parents, especially people in my age group are pretty crap parents. And we just don't do a good job of managing and handling our
Jeff Jarvis (00:55:33):
Kids oh. Ever of us, our kids,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:34):
You know, <laugh>, I, I, well, I think, I think we have to be more proactive with technology. I, I won't say you're a crap parent. I'll just say, I think as parents, we have to be more proactive
Ant Pruitt (00:55:45):
Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:45):
With technology and that's hard and it sucks, but we, we kind of have to do it.
Ant Pruitt (00:55:51):
<Laugh>, it's awesome that, that our, these kids are quote unquote smarter these days and can figure out a lot of the tech that's available to 'em. But at the same time, they're a little bit too smart for their own good. And that's when the parents have to step in. And, and like I said, be more proactive on this stuff
Jeff Jarvis (00:56:11):
Back to our top story. I can imagine a Z's prosecutor demanding data on people under the age of 18 searching on abortion.
Ant Pruitt (00:56:22):
Ooh.
Jeff Jarvis (00:56:22):
Or talking about it or things like that. I can imagine, you know, lots of ways without proper care. This could use also look in the UK, they're gonna require age verification to look at porn. You gotta go to the pub and get certified that you're old enough. Oh, isn't that right. That enough used to go to the Walgreens and say, where are the count condoms? You know, now you gotta go in the pub and say, well, I wanna look at porn. Can you, can you verify me? Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so you can see how this is gonna get used elsewhere another way. Well,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:56:55):
I think, I think you could actually use something like that to normalize, going to the pub to get age verified, to be on the internet, which means then you could also look at porn, but you wouldn't be stigmatized because you'd be looking at Instagram as well. What if you look at
Jeff Jarvis (00:57:11):
It like that, so Instagram could verify you to get, look at porn. I
Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:15):
Hmm. Well now what I'm saying is you go someplace and you say, Hey, I'm gonna get a verification of my age from someplace. Maybe it's my direct DMV. So if your site requires me to be 16, so if more sites require someone to be a certain age to collect data on them, for example, then you could say, this person is 16 and here's the verification data that says that. And then as they age up, then they've already become verified and then they can become, they can look at porn, whatever it's appropriate.
Jeff Jarvis (00:57:47):
Yeah. I mean, the other, the other issue here is for, for like kids who are non-binary, who are looking for a place it's, you know, the anonymity, Jeff Costa, who wrote the, the key book on, on section two 30 also wrote the United States of anonymity, which is a new book, which is very good. And, and, you know, as we often point out, it's the, it's the vulnerable in society, you need to be able to use anonymity and age verification cuts that. Right. Cuz you're, you're verifying who you are and how old you are in one fell swoop. So,
Stacey Higginbotham (00:58:19):
Well, that is true. Yes. All right. Well put it on the blockchain and that'll solve everything.
Jeff Jarvis (00:58:24):
Yeah, exactly. Alright. And you, you marked one of the stories here in democracy day for Netflix.
Ant Pruitt (00:58:31):
I did. And with that, I'm not an, I'm not an adage subscriber, but I was curious because we talked about Netflix month, couple months ago, noticing how their numbers are sliding from the subscription side of things. And then they mention, okay, well maybe there should be an ad version of it. With them speaking with Google, allegedly is this just to say, Hey Google, what are you doing? Can we get a little bit of your secret sauce and put this into our platform? Or I, I, again, I'm not subscribed to ad age that, that San there, right?
Jeff Jarvis (00:59:05):
I couldn't get into it either. Yes. I, but I should have found a different, different link. But yeah, so they're talking to Netflix is talking to two companies and I forget who the other one is right now. But, but primarily Google's the most interest as to whether Google can just get us in the ad business overnight. And so Netflix could say to, to Google, you sell our ads, you take all the stuff. What kind of revenue can you give us? What kind of data can we give you about entertainment? It's a really interesting potential lash up there. Do you, do you subscribe to Netflix? Stacy?
Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:36):
I do subscribe to Netflix and I actually subscribe to a bunch of places and I subscribe and pay more like on Hulu to avoid ads.
Jeff Jarvis (00:59:45):
So you wouldn't care. Netflix was
Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:48):
So if ne I would just spend more money to avoid ads.
Jeff Jarvis (00:59:51):
Yeah. So to avoid the ads
Ant Pruitt (00:59:53):
You would, but then there's also the other five people or so that are asking to use Thena and password which is still not helping Netflix. Right?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:05):
Well, but Netflix is chomping down on those. What is the word I'm looking for? <Laugh> Netflix is trying to stop
Ant Pruitt (01:00:12):
That. I love that word. Clamp chomping
Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:13):
Clamping down, clamping
Jeff Jarvis (01:00:15):
Down.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:16):
This is just gonna be an exercise and translating Stacy's like post COVID brain lapse here.
Jeff Jarvis (01:00:22):
Do you really feel, do you really feel a difference, Stacy? Do you really,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:25):
Do you think about, no, I thought I was having a heart attack on Monday. I did a workout on Sunday and I was so sick afterwards and my, my doctor was like, okay, you should stop. And now I'm, I'm trying to be better, but my brain is totally, I'm having a lot of hard, a lot of hard time with words. Oh
Jeff Jarvis (01:00:42):
God. Wow.
Ant Pruitt (01:00:45):
This is an uncommon,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:46):
You, you may be grateful that I'm not on the show for two weeks, but yeah. So I'm a Netflix subscriber. What, what did you ask <laugh>
Ant Pruitt (01:00:54):
If you're a subscriber and would you pay more and
Jeff Jarvis (01:00:57):
Yeah, so, and, and you're not a Netflix subscriber, so that's why you're interested. Get it. You
Ant Pruitt (01:01:01):
Are, I am. But I'm thinking about it from the standpoint of, of I'm thinking about it from the standpoint of YouTube, cuz I'm a YouTube premium subscriber as well. Cuz you don't get ads on Netflix right now. So it doesn't cross my mind. But I think about every time that my card has expired on YouTube and I go to and watch YouTube and these really annoying ads pop up and it really freaks me out it's totally worth that extra, however much I pay a month. I don't even remember how much I pay, but it's totally worth that extra couple bucks to get rid of those ads all at the same time while making sure the creators are still being supported. I just wonder, you know, do people even think about it that way from the Netflix side of things, cuz they never really saw ads to begin with, you know, other than it was just their own house content that they were promoting.
Jeff Jarvis (01:01:57):
Right?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:01:59):
Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (01:01:59):
I, I, I don't know. I, I think, I think I'm, I'm, I'm doing a project about magazine history right now. And so one of the other magazines, I don't know which one it was, it might have been ladies home journal. One of those offered you a club plan where if I subscribe and then I get you to subscribe, Stacy, you to subscribe ant you get cheaper prices and I get a cheaper price and we've all benefited because you turn me the customer into your sales agent. Yeah, yeah. Right. Which, which I think was what could have been done with the likes of Netflix is fine. Sell it to 20 people, but then it's in your interest to make an, be honest and not pass your password around to a hundred more people. And you get a better rate because you sold to an
Ant Pruitt (01:02:41):
Okay wait,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:41):
Did you just turn Netflix into a multi-level marketing
Ant Pruitt (01:02:45):
Scene? MLM?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:46):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> brilliant. That what just happened?
Jeff Jarvis (01:02:49):
Yes. Kinda brilliant.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:52):
No,
Jeff Jarvis (01:02:52):
The Amway of entertainment,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:55):
The Amway title Netway way. <Laugh> all right.
Jeff Jarvis (01:03:03):
All right. All right. Well related to this, I found it interesting that just right before we got on the air snap is thinking about now a premium layer. Everybody's trying to get subscription revenue and if they have subscription revenue, they are, they're all trying to get ad revenue and vice versa. And there's only so much to go around in both cases. I have you guys used snap and recent history.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:30):
No,
Jeff Jarvis (01:03:31):
No. And no you're hipper than us.
Ant Pruitt (01:03:35):
Wait, wait. You think I'm hipper
Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:36):
And you do photographs <laugh> yeah. You got not do aunt. Aunt is not, he is not hipper than I
Ant Pruitt (01:03:46):
Not even.
Jeff Jarvis (01:03:46):
Oh, oh, it's competition.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:48):
<Laugh> I'm like, hold on a sec. I'm not saying that he's, he's not, you know, sort of with the times, but I I'm gonna disagree.
Ant Pruitt (01:03:58):
No. I only open up Snapchat to check on the hard head. One of 'em uses it fairly often.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:05):
Active parenting
Ant Pruitt (01:04:07):
That's that's it. I just check in and, and, and, and I'm out, that's it? I wanna say my profile on there even has like in the, the text, I do not use this app because I used to get all of these notifications of people. Want me to friend them and <laugh> and all that stuff. It's like, I do not use this app. So, but I only open it up to check on hardhead and if everything looks okay and not a bunch of foolishness, then I close it. But if there's something he's doing stupid, I'm gonna call him out. But yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (01:04:38):
So snap is pricing at 3 99 a month, a subscription geared toward quote, the people who spend most of their time, communicating with their closest friends on snap Snapchat plus is mostly a cosmetic upgrade. The notable features included the ability to change the style of the apps icon. We see who rewatched a story and pin one of your friends to the top of your chat history as a BFF. Yes. That last one gives me MySpace vibes too. Says the author on the verge. You think there's any chance that a hard head would pay, pay for this and
Ant Pruitt (01:05:14):
Nope.
Jeff Jarvis (01:05:15):
Nope. I
Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:16):
Wonder if like, people like to see, to see who rewatched your, your, like, if you got, you know, how LinkedIn's like you got 217 people checked out your profile, see
Jeff Jarvis (01:05:26):
Who they are, pay us to tell you who that's money. Yeah. Which I don't do
Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:31):
Work. No. Maybe
Jeff Jarvis (01:05:33):
I
Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:33):
Don't care. I'm a journalist.
Ant Pruitt (01:05:39):
I mean that those analytics are useful for people that are getting paid from Snapchat, some kind of way making money off of this stuff. So I get it, but oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:50):
I wonder if you do it, if you like were in like, what if you just broke up with an X and you wanted to see that's what they should do. All the social media should create a breakup package. And when you break up, they offer all this. So you can see if your ex is stalking you
Jeff Jarvis (01:06:04):
<Laugh> aunt you're right. She is a spy.
Ant Pruitt (01:06:07):
Yes.
Jeff Jarvis (01:06:07):
She thinks like a spy. She acts like a spy. Where,
Ant Pruitt (01:06:11):
Where is this coming from?
Jeff Jarvis (01:06:12):
Yeah. Geez. What
Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:13):
Is brilliant, man? They should, they should pay me to think of these ideas. It's brilliant.
Jeff Jarvis (01:06:18):
Jeez. I think the Amway of Netflix is smarter than that. I don't know. <Laugh> you about you about to market?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:25):
I don't know anyone in the chat that discord y'all wouldn't pay for, for an expo. Well,
Ant Pruitt (01:06:30):
Well look, I, I look at that type of information on Instagram because I'm, I'm trying to figure out how to get the most outta Instagram for my business, you know? So I'm gonna look to see how many people are looking at this, this story who is actually tapping and replying so on and so forth. Cuz it's, that's useful information. Fortunately, I'm not paying a, a dollar for it. I'm just paying for through Facebook's data collection. You know, I just don't think anybody using Snapchat is going to do that unless they have some sort of monetary gain coming from it. Yeah. An investment. If you will.
Jeff Jarvis (01:07:09):
I wanna go back to, this is on Snapchat.
Ant Pruitt (01:07:11):
Yeah. There are businesses on there. That's what I'm saying. If anybody's gonna do that, it would be the brands possibly because they're looking at, it's just a more analytics for them to figure out their next campaign. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:24):
No, that makes sense. I didn't realize brands sponsor.
Jeff Jarvis (01:07:26):
I, I get so frustrated to Stacy's business. So Stacy, how long have you been married now?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:32):
20 years? No. 20, 20 years. 20? I
Jeff Jarvis (01:07:36):
Think so. So post internet, you got married
Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:42):
Here? Oh yeah. Yeah. We got married in 2003, 2002.
Jeff Jarvis (01:07:46):
I,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:47):
We have a cake slicer that has our wedding date. I don't know when it is.
Jeff Jarvis (01:07:50):
<Laugh>
Ant Pruitt (01:07:50):
You
Jeff Jarvis (01:07:51):
Don't know the romantic. Why am I not surprised? Stacy's not the romantic is Andrew romantic.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:59):
I mean, he's a little bit more sentimental, but I don't know if he knows.
Jeff Jarvis (01:08:02):
Okay. All right. All
Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:03):
Right. Maybe we're on our 19th. What year is it?
Jeff Jarvis (01:08:07):
<Laugh> <laugh> all right. Now aunt. How long you been married?
Ant Pruitt (01:08:13):
Oh man, this is easy for me. I could just look down here at the date and do the math and it's 21
Jeff Jarvis (01:08:20):
ROI.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:20):
Wait, wait, do you have the date somewhere?
Ant Pruitt (01:08:23):
No, I just look at the year. That's all
Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:26):
21. You know what year you were married in
Ant Pruitt (01:08:28):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative>
Jeff Jarvis (01:08:29):
Oh
Ant Pruitt (01:08:30):
Man. It was really easy. It was the best year of my life.
Jeff Jarvis (01:08:32):
They're all. Oh, what a husband? Wait, you
Ant Pruitt (01:08:36):
Have that's real talk.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:37):
What about them? Huh?
Ant Pruitt (01:08:39):
That's that's real talk. No, I'm dead serious. Two. The year, 2000 was the worst year of my life in year 2001 was the best year of my life. That's real talk. Whoa. And my family knows that cuz I've given them the stories. <Laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (01:08:53):
All right. So now what I wanna know is Stacy's business has <laugh> I know the answer to this is yes. In all cases, did you look up X's me? Have you looked up X's yes. You
Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:06):
Okay. Hold on. This is super personal. It is.
Jeff Jarvis (01:09:11):
That's why it's fun.
Ant Pruitt (01:09:12):
He warned you
Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:14):
<Laugh> no I'm so you can breathe X, like I've only dated like two people, three people of my life. Oh. So this I'm like I got, I was a child bride. I got married when I was 23, so oh. And I, 43, I got married when I was 20, 20 years ago.
Jeff Jarvis (01:09:32):
<Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:33):
Anyway, I might be 44.
Ant Pruitt (01:09:37):
Well we, we literally just like
Jeff Jarvis (01:09:40):
Brain affects all kinds of things.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:43):
I just, I just don't have a sense of time. I mean, anyway, the point is so my big X, there was no Facebook. There was no social. I mean right. Maybe we had MySpace. Yeah. I got married in 2003 or two.
Jeff Jarvis (01:10:01):
One of those. So what I'm where I'm going, is this, if someone looked up you, would you find that charming or creepy and you ended contact, you said, oh Stacy, I wondered how you're doing. Oh
Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:17):
Oh, an X.
Jeff Jarvis (01:10:18):
Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:20):
I mean, no, maybe I don't, I'm not good at social things.
Jeff Jarvis (01:10:30):
<Laugh> or math <laugh> or math because like, or
Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:35):
Math or time or words, I'm really just bad at everything today.
Jeff Jarvis (01:10:39):
<Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:41):
But you're clean. You're
Jeff Jarvis (01:10:42):
Very clean and I
Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:43):
Appreciate that. That's true. I just shower <laugh> yeah. So I'm thinking back. I mean, I think my ex from high school reached out on LinkedIn like 10 years ago and that wasn't creepy.
Jeff Jarvis (01:10:59):
Okay. That's good.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:11:01):
So, but I like, it's only right after like a breakup that I think you would be weird.
Jeff Jarvis (01:11:08):
Well that's where goes back to your business. So there's a, there's a certain time when you, you want to, when you want to spy on somebody then
Stacey Higginbotham (01:11:17):
Go or don't. I mean, isn't that a thing that people do. They're like cyber stock, their ex, just to, to see mm-hmm
Ant Pruitt (01:11:22):
<Affirmative> they do,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:11:23):
This is all theoretical to me because I, again, don't interact with people this way.
Jeff Jarvis (01:11:29):
<Laugh> an, what about you? Did you? What about me? I remember look you up. Did you look up anybody? Your
Ant Pruitt (01:11:36):
I people, I, I, I would get notifications that, so, and so started following me and in a little, you know, light bulb off like, wait a minute. I remember that name. And then I had to go back and look. And most of the time I was just sort of smiling to myself, snarky, if you will. Because those people that really didn't care about me back in the days. Anyway, they usually talk crap about me, but yet now you're following me. Ha ha ha. I'm not following you. It was, you know, that kind of stuff for me.
Jeff Jarvis (01:12:06):
Yeah. All right. Different story here. So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna pick this one. I'm fascinated by Google and campaign messages in spam. So a bunch of conservatives went after Google saying that you're you're you are discriminating against us because we're right wing. You're putting our stuff in spam and God bless Mike Masick the, the magnificent Mike did a great story about this, looking into it further and finding that it was victory, the same company that Facebook hired to go after TikTok. And what Mike says is basically they're really bad at email. And they tried to make an issue out of not being their, getting through for their client, the Republican clients. So they made it into an issue because they like to complain that Silicon valley is not fair to them. And so they went after that. So then Google comes back and says, oh, oh, okay. We're gonna propose a policy to keep campaign messages out of spam. Okay. Then what happens? Then the Democrats say, whoa, if, if the other side sends a whole bunch of spam crap, they should be in spam and you just, yeah. Kneel to them far too soon, you should hold on more. That's the thing. It's another example of they, they can't win.
Ant Pruitt (01:13:36):
Well, that's the thing. Where do you draw the line on this? Cuz I, I, was it Jim? What's his name? Jim Norman. Jim, whatever his name. What's the guy, Jim Jordan, Jim, Jim Jordan. I remember seeing him on, on the screen fussing about this stuff. And ah, at the time I was thinking to myself, well maybe your email is just bad. But then again, this is, this is a problem. This could be a problem for everybody. Not just the Republicans and the right. This could be a problem.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:08):
They should listen. They should listen to the users like right. I mark, I can't tell you, like I love Beto, but dear God, his campaign sold my email to everybody and their freaking dog. Or maybe it was act blue. I don't know. Yeah. I they're now all spam, all spam. And if Google tries to take them outta spam, I will be pissed.
Jeff Jarvis (01:14:30):
<Laugh> yeah. Yeah. I think that's what so well, but I'll have, you know, by the way, I just received invitation to the official 2022 Republican advisory board. Wow. I'm sure they want to hear the advice I have for them. Jeff,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:43):
Don't go. This is definitely they're. They're bringing you in to do something bad to you. <Laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (01:14:49):
All I have to do is take a survey, take the official survey. Yeah, I'm getting it from all over. Some, somebody, some, some wa signed me up for Trump email long ago. Right. And, and thank goodness for Google. It puts it into it doesn't put it in spam or there maybe more in spam, but it puts it in my what do you call it? Promotions,
Ant Pruitt (01:15:09):
Promotions, promotions, or something other,
Jeff Jarvis (01:15:11):
Yeah. As, as we're just
Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:12):
Absolutely moved move to everything. Everything spam.
Jeff Jarvis (01:15:15):
Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:15):
Oh no. So of my emotions are great,
Ant Pruitt (01:15:17):
But at the same time, there are some people that support those campaigns that wants to see that communication.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:25):
Well, I actively mark minus spam.
Ant Pruitt (01:15:28):
Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:29):
Don't I mean, so I feel like that's was
Jeff Jarvis (01:15:31):
It disappear then?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:33):
What goes into spam? I don't open my spam.
Jeff Jarvis (01:15:35):
Oh for you obviously. Right? Well, well, but when they go around, when they go to the next trick or the next email address or the next candidate or the next whatever, are you regularly marking things for spam?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:45):
No, no, no, really. It took a while won. Well, I don't wanna say I've won yet, but yeah, I think so. Whoa.
Jeff Jarvis (01:15:53):
Wow. Whoa. How about you aunt? Do you get political spam?
Ant Pruitt (01:15:58):
Not as much as I used to. Thank goodness. Thank goodness.
Jeff Jarvis (01:16:04):
Oh, I got tons and, and, and you're right, Stacy. I get it from candidates. I have nothing to do with in places far, far away. You know, I've gotta give to my own congressman's campaign, which I haven't done yet, which I will do tonight. I gotta remember to do that tonight. Tom Malinowski is a good guy. But I'm getting him from like Nebraska. Why would I give to Canada, Nebraska? You know, it cost
Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:28):
Of nothing. Think act blue act blue is kind of, if you ever donate through act blue, I think that's an issue. Oh, I'll
Ant Pruitt (01:16:35):
Be honest. How did, how did you track it down? Did you do like this is what I do for a lot of stuff that I sign up for. If I'm signing up for a service and it's asking for the email address, because I have my domain, I will call the email address, service aunt pruitt.com. And so when I see that pop up later on in spam, I just, I check, okay, this came to what email address. Okay. So service just sold my information and then I usually cut ties with them or whatever. Is that how you
Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:08):
Figured it out? Like, yeah. Signing up as Stacy plus blah, blah, blah plus, you know, at blue Edy mill. Yeah. Yeah. So yes. Basically creating a custom like Aus if you will. Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (01:17:25):
So here's more details of the story. Go ahead, Stacy,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:28):
Go you first. Oh no, go ahead.
Jeff Jarvis (01:17:31):
No, I'm just gonna go into the details of the story.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:33):
I wanna hear the details. What if that change? You know how like details before I comment, I wanna know what I'm talking about. No,
Jeff Jarvis (01:17:39):
No, this is, this is anarchy. We're reversing everything. It's upside down day. We do the blather first, then the facts. So Google's plan, which was first reported by Axios says the verge would allow candidates, political party, committees, and leadership, political action committees to apply for a special pilot program that would make their messages exempt from Google's spam detection system. What's what's that's privileged me about this. It, it is. And the idea was proposed to the federal election commission in a, in a June 21st filing, asking for their approval. Now I don't know why they would have to approve this. Google could make a policy. I'm not sure. And so the Google is making their request to the F FEC Greg's Doy, S T E U B E. Republican, Florida. I have no idea how to pronounce his name. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> was the first Republican to suggest the G O P campaign emails were wrongly flagged as spam.
Jeff Jarvis (01:18:36):
My parents have a Gmail account. Aren't getting my campaign emails. He told the Sunar Pacha during a high level executive. This is just your Republican. She was raised once again. Exactly. after a North Carolina university study found that Gmail was more likely to mark Republican emails as spam. Well, because they send out 20 times more. That's why. Oh, I, I, well, based on what I get it's they're, they're, they're just constant. Well, especially Trump, the Trump stuff is just funny. You were getting the Eric Trump stuff and it was, it was hilarious. For a while you've been selected. You could have, you could go to golfer, round a golf with dad. Who's only five miles away right now. I wanted it by the way I wanted on Twitter. I wanted to go this is a quick January 6th moment. I wanted to get, believe it or not, there are Hines adult ketchup costumes I wanted to get. That's why you treat costume and, and go March in front of Trump's golf course, which is five miles away from me. I thought that would be amusing. Wouldn't be one of my proudest moments in life, but be in a ketchup costume.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:47):
Huh? Do it. And you'd have a Halloween costume.
Jeff Jarvis (01:19:52):
Oh my professor. Yeah, yeah, no. Can do it. No, but I like the idea. It was funny. So anyway, so then the Democrats are saying, no, Google, you're buying them, hit hook, line and sicker. They're just whining. You're doing this. You shouldn't do this. So Stacy, what I'm hearing from you is if you end up getting the spam you've, you've gotten rid of back in your email, you're gonna be pissed,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:16):
Super pissed. I worked really hard to mark a lot of stuff. A spam.
Jeff Jarvis (01:20:21):
Yeah. So that's where that story stands. All right. And, or Stacey? No, Stacey's turn so, oh you can pick another one than one you've already marked or I can pick one of the ones you've marked it's up to you.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:36):
Let's see. What did I mark? Carbon footprint footprint in cloud. Yeah. Oh no, no. The Google queue. Oh, oh no. I love
Jeff Jarvis (01:20:45):
That was more Stacy bait. Yes. I knew you'd like this one
Ant Pruitt (01:20:48):
<Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:49):
I went, I went to this launch event. <Laugh> I'm like, oh, the nexus few. Oh
Ant Pruitt (01:20:56):
Man.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:57):
I was so glad 10 years in. So that verge headline is Google's worst hardware flop was introduced 10 years ago today, the nexus queue, which was a streaming device. Now I had a couple issues. One is, would you say the nexus queue was the worst Google hardware failure? Well,
Jeff Jarvis (01:21:20):
You know what I'm gonna say was the
Stacey Higginbotham (01:21:22):
Worst Google glass
Jeff Jarvis (01:21:22):
Was glass, but they said at least glass got released and is, is used in some ways. I agree. As soon as I saw that headline, I said, no, it's class,
Ant Pruitt (01:21:32):
This sworn, I've seen one of these in the TWI host office on the back shelf.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:21:36):
Oh yeah. They, they handed them out when they launched it. So a couple of like, I gave mine to one of, at the Chis at giga. So Janko our, our online video recorder was the guy who reviewed it for us. But it's, it was so weird. It was such a weird shape. It didn't seem like it would fit on your, you know, it, it was before we had all these rounded and friendly devices. So you were like gonna put this round device somewhere in your stack of like VCRs and hubs and Rokus and soundbar. I mean, it was
Ant Pruitt (01:22:10):
Just silly. It was ahead of his time. <Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:13):
Yeah. I mean, sometimes it, yeah. And it was, it only worked with Google stuff. Right. It was really weird
Jeff Jarvis (01:22:24):
And it never came out to the market. Right. So, so you gave away,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:27):
But they physically made them,
Jeff Jarvis (01:22:30):
Well, you gave away a collector's item.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:32):
Well, yeah, but I gave it away to another journalist. So maybe he still has it. I don't know.
Jeff Jarvis (01:22:37):
Let me see, is
Ant Pruitt (01:22:38):
Chat room Virgil confirmed that Mr. Howell does have one. So I did see it in the TWI host office here recently.
Jeff Jarvis (01:22:49):
You
Ant Pruitt (01:22:49):
Can for
Jeff Jarvis (01:22:50):
50 bucks on eBay. No, no. That was only the, like the manual 220 bucks. Why is or best offer on eBay? I don't know if Leo were here, we'd get 'em to buy it.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:23:04):
They learned, I mean, they learned a lot about it. They built the Chrome cast after this. The design is actually now something we see in our home. I mean, like, this looks like an echo four in a lot of
Jeff Jarvis (01:23:16):
Where did this fit in versus Alexa and everything.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:23:19):
Oh, this was way before the timeline. They launched that Alexa, Madame launched the echo launched in 2014 in December. You could pre-order it. Or like it was like invite only when the Amazon in 2014. And then it came out to everybody and they added, they started doing the smart home stuff in March of 2015. The Google stuff didn't come out. Like the Google home didn't come out until 20 17, 20 16,
Jeff Jarvis (01:23:47):
Which is so weird. Cause so they had the beat on this. They were ahead. Is this one of those corporate cases? This, this was a beat. Oh yeah. We tried that. It didn't work. It was video.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:23:55):
He was only for playing video. It wasn't for SP it wasn't like a smart speaker.
Jeff Jarvis (01:24:00):
Oh, wait. I've got a really dumb question. How did it play video? What? Didn't have a screen.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:07):
It was like a, it was, you plugged it into your TV.
Jeff Jarvis (01:24:10):
Oh, so it was Chromecast like
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:11):
Streaming device.
Jeff Jarvis (01:24:13):
Yeah. All right. So it was head of Chromecast. All right. Alright.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:18):
Oh, the Google home launched in November of 2016.
Jeff Jarvis (01:24:21):
That's way ahead of,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:21):
Yeah, this was like an early, this was a weird looking Chromecast cast.
Jeff Jarvis (01:24:27):
What was I'm forgetting this who had the first Chrome cast?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:32):
Ooh,
Jeff Jarvis (01:24:32):
I think there was apple or, oh, no fire. What about no, there was, I
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:38):
Thought TV. Was
Jeff Jarvis (01:24:39):
It the RO den fire? Was it Roku? I mean, well, Roku had its own kind of box.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:45):
Yeah. But then
Jeff Jarvis (01:24:46):
They built
Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:46):
Google it first Amazon fire. Okay. Hold on. Release date for the fire. TV was 2014 and Google's Chromecast came out in 2013. There you go.
Jeff Jarvis (01:24:57):
While speaking of the fire TV, that happens to be in the rundown because Amazon has to go to, has to face in court, a trademark defense against fire TV, a porn service F Y R E TV. And the court is saying, yep. Oh, people could get confused. So Amazon could find themselves in a bit of a mess because they have the brand fire TV. That's not much more to say than that, but I was just saying, all right, all let's see what, and it is here next Elon, we gotta do a quick Elon update. We make, this is like the, this is, this is like the must. We <laugh> it's it's no different from the change log. It's the Elon log. The eLog.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:25:47):
Why do we, Ugh. All right, go check.
Jeff Jarvis (01:25:50):
I'll make it quick. So, so he asked for data from, from, from Twitter to, to prove his case about, about bots. They gave him data, he got confused. It wasn't enough. So they gave him more data. They just smashed data on him. Tons of data for Elon. That's one Elon point. Elon has passed over a hundred million Twitter followers, but Elon has basically stopped tweeting. He hasn't tweeted much at all in the last, ever since the, the SpaceX letter about him ruining the company with our tweets. But here is my favorite Elon story of the week. You remember how Elon said all you, people have to come back to work. You lazy sobs. You gotta come back to work. You gotta be here. Cause that's all it matters. Yeah. Guess what? They don't have enough desks.
Ant Pruitt (01:26:35):
<Laugh> for real.
Jeff Jarvis (01:26:39):
Yeah. And, and the wife wifi two week to work. Yeah. <laugh> okay. I laugh. I don't
Ant Pruitt (01:26:49):
Know. I imagine the eon segment has been more entertained in the last couple of weeks.
Jeff Jarvis (01:26:54):
Yeah. It's it's it's it's it's it's the eLog log. The eLog what do you think you're making it a regular feature of the show. I think the e-log. Ugh.
Ant Pruitt (01:27:05):
I wonder if it, you know, him not tweeting right now, was this something that someone whispered in his ear or is he, is he feeling well? That kind of thing, you know, I wonder
Jeff Jarvis (01:27:16):
Do I care? No, I think it's. I think it's because he was getting in trouble with,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:20):
Yeah. I think lawyers probably were like, buddy,
Ant Pruitt (01:27:23):
That hadn't stopped him in the past.
Jeff Jarvis (01:27:26):
No, that that's true, but
Ant Pruitt (01:27:28):
Never
Jeff Jarvis (01:27:28):
Did awards.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:31):
Who knows the stock prices. Maybe he's on a vacation.
Jeff Jarvis (01:27:35):
Could you imagine Elon with a no. Alright. Here was other Stacy beat that you didn't mark, but I'm gonna ask you for it, Stacy, cuz you wrote about this as Stacey at IOT on IOT, Amazon being able to turn dead loved ones, voices into your digital assistant. Ooh. What did you guys
Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:55):
Think for that? So yeah, Amazon last week at the Mars, the re Mars festival the guy who's in charge of their AI efforts basically said, Hey, if you give us a minute worth of someone's audio data, we can make, you know, we can basically do anything with that data and make speak in that person's voice. And the example he then showed was a Ted grandmother, reading a child, a bedtime story.
Jeff Jarvis (01:28:25):
<Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:26):
And I really feel like, I don't know what anyone was thinking when they thought this would be a good idea, but sure. And so like from an AI perspective saying you give me a minute of someone's voice and I'll get the pro, is it prosy is that prosy
Ant Pruitt (01:28:44):
Pros say the
Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:45):
Word Prity the intonation and all of that. Correct. And be able to like figure that out just based on the minute long segment is pretty freaking cool. So I get why they were like, Ooh, this is exciting. We could make Samuel L. Jackson and only a minute. But the idea of having your dead relative speak to you is kind of everyone was like, and I wrote about this cuz I posity, what is it?
Ant Pruitt (01:29:10):
Oh, he just, it for us
Speaker 6 (01:29:13):
Posity posity
Jeff Jarvis (01:29:15):
It's spelled with a D but pronounced with a T. So now we don't. Thank you, Google. There
Ant Pruitt (01:29:18):
We go. Thank you. <Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:20):
So tell you, was that I ask my kid cuz like maybe they're a little bit more up on the up and up and would think this is cool. But they were like, that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And she, they were like, how is Amazon doing this to like make money? How are they making money? Are they gonna sell this to people? And I was like, oh you are really cynical. <Laugh> wow.
Jeff Jarvis (01:29:41):
Wonder where she got that <laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:44):
I don't know. But yeah, they were like, this makes no sense because I was like, wouldn't you like to hear my voice if I died and they
Jeff Jarvis (01:29:52):
Were well, yeah, that's the thing. It's kind.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:53):
It's not you. No, they were like, it's not you. Why would I want a robot version of you? It's not what you're saying. And they found it utterly creepy because they basically thought of it as commercializing someone's memories and I'm with them.
Jeff Jarvis (01:30:09):
How about you aunt?
Ant Pruitt (01:30:11):
It's totally creepy. I, no, I want no part of that at all. On the record I still have voicemails of my dad, but those are things that are on demand for me. If I want to hear his voice again, mm-hmm <affirmative> not well and it's
Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:29):
Actually him,
Ant Pruitt (01:30:31):
Right? Yeah. And it's him, you know, not something that was synthesized to just be around, you know, whenever I feel like hearing the latest Brian Culbertson song or something, you know, just it's no think it's creepy. No.
Jeff Jarvis (01:30:47):
What about so I've, I've, I've seen tombstones, which, which talk
Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:55):
Original tombstones.
Jeff Jarvis (01:30:55):
Yeah. Would you want, would you wanna do that for yourself? Would you wanna live on
Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:00):
No, I wanna be cremated. My ashes dumped in the ocean and all of the audio and video of me basically dumped
Jeff Jarvis (01:31:06):
<Laugh> no, you can't take away the twigs <laugh> no.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:12):
What if my child like turns back and sees me unable to freaking remember how old I am and when I was married, I mean like that's
Jeff Jarvis (01:31:20):
Or you're married's the bigger one
Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:23):
You're could be like, oh, my mom was
Jeff Jarvis (01:31:25):
Such an idiot. Well that's one. Well, I found, I found when she started downhill boy, it was early.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:30):
Yeah, really?
Jeff Jarvis (01:31:31):
<Laugh> it was in 20.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:33):
This better stay funny in a few months. That's all I gotta say.
Jeff Jarvis (01:31:37):
<Laugh> alright. I, you know what I loved that you asked your daughter. I, I think that was a great angle to do. And, and you're careful about using your daughter in that way, but I think it was the perfect perspective to hear
Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:53):
Why just, you know, cuz sometimes I'm like, is, am I getting old? Is technology just move it too fast for me. But, and they're really not a good person to ask because they're kind of a tech note, not a techno phone, but they, they really spend more time in the real world than I think many of their peers do. So I don't know.
Jeff Jarvis (01:32:14):
Right. Yeah. As
Ant Pruitt (01:32:16):
Away from screens, what do you mean by that?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:20):
They're almost 16 and they don't bring a phone with them everywhere. Like I have to remind them really I'm like bring your phone. I know it's so weird. Really?
Jeff Jarvis (01:32:29):
That's that's weird,
Ant Pruitt (01:32:30):
Much respect, much respect.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:32):
It's not, I didn't do it. Like they just are not like, and like their friends will text them. I mean, and they just don't it's just not their jam. <Laugh> I don't. Wow. I mean, they they're on TikTok, you know, we, we can talk about videos and they do text and they do all this, but they just huge portions of their life. Take place with the phone,
Ant Pruitt (01:32:56):
No addiction to it. Not around basically.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:59):
I
Ant Pruitt (01:33:00):
Love that respect
Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:03):
Again. I can't take any credit
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:06):
<Laugh> <laugh> I thought we had a story in here about a, about a legislation. Well, oh yes, here. It was a Republican FCC commissioner and this guy goes after everything once and was
Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:20):
A branded car.
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:21):
Yeah. It's BRN car. Exactly. It's BRN car it's BRN car strikes again. One and Mike SICs going berserk on it. Wants to tell Google and face an apple to remove TikTok because it's addictive to children.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:35):
It's addictive to adults.
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:38):
Yeah. It, I didn't plus plus date
Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:41):
Data. I,
Jeff Jarvis (01:33:41):
It was data. No, no you're right. It data practices. That's a different
Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:44):
Story. Okay. I, I you're right. I thought he was doing it because of those, the, the, the talk there was the per was it Buzzfeed? Did the story about listening to 80 hours of TikTok executives talking about data gathering? Yes. Yes. Oh, I, so that was, that was the complaint is that TikTok is actually gathering all this data, but Facebook and Google are also gathering all this data that just happened to be us companies. So, and you know, I'm, I'm shrugging on that if it were, because it was addictive to children, then I'd say, sure, go ahead. Let's, let's talk about how let's do a big conversation about dark patterns on the web. But I, I don't think that's what we're about to do. So,
Jeff Jarvis (01:34:28):
So that was a different
Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:29):
Story and it would be the FTC, not the FCC. He has no jurisdiction on this.
Jeff Jarvis (01:34:33):
That's true.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:34):
That's true. That's the other thing.
Jeff Jarvis (01:34:35):
So the story I confused is that California is talking about this is, this is line 1 0 4, which you already had on as if we talked about it an they could face civil liability if held to addict children in California, meta and TikTok.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:54):
How do you define addiction? How do you find yeah. Addiction,
Jeff Jarvis (01:34:59):
Right. And what if they read books all the time? Are they addicted to books? This is, well, this was the fear. I, you know, Guttenberg moment I gotta have one is by a show today. <Laugh> all they want. Oh, I'll find with you. SW. So people feared that children were gonna be addicted to books that women were gonna be addicted to fiction that it was gonna ruin their morals. It's I mean, sorry, is get ready, get ready, get by your button, get ready. It is a classic moral panic
Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:30):
Panic.
Jeff Jarvis (01:35:30):
Well done. Well done. Well done.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:33):
I say I am addicted to fiction and books. Yeah,
Jeff Jarvis (01:35:36):
Exactly. It's a choice we make. And so it it's, it's the demonizing of it. So, so to, to step in and say that you're gonna Sue the companies, cuz they're addicting children, it's just using children to be, it just strikes me that way. I don't know that. I,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:56):
Again, if we wanna talk about dark patterns and things that help get children addicted, mm-hmm, <affirmative>, let's do it, but I, I don't see that happening in everything else is just stupid politics, stupid politics.
Jeff Jarvis (01:36:09):
Okay. It is, it is. Well, speaking of stupid politics, I'm gonna go down. I'm gonna steal one of my numbers for myself. All the way down to my numbers. JRB, you'll see a story about off come, which is the British regulator that is soon going to be regulating based on the UK's harmful content law, which is gonna be enforced by the end of the year and off come regularly does surveys of the world of online. And so they did want, and, and I dug into it at some length and what was fascinating to me. So they asked people about 20 potential harms encountered in the past four weeks. So number one, 27% scams fraud in fishing. Yes. I also get that on my phone. I get that in the mail. I get that everywhere. Then number two is misinformation. Well, should we try to define that? What do you call misinformation? Yeah. Number three was offensive or bad language, bad language. I could, I could get Jamer B nervous right now by using a few words, but I won't you know, that's, that's seen as a harm using the S word is, or BS is a harm. <Laugh> trying to figure out what the S word was. Weren't you,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:25):
You know, I've tried to remember my child what's came home and said that they were probably like six years old and they're like, they said the S word at school today. I was like, holy cow. Really?
Jeff Jarvis (01:37:37):
<Laugh> and holy yes. They said
Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:40):
Said, no, they said stupid. And I was like,
Jeff Jarvis (01:37:45):
Oh, oh God, that's bad. That's bad. Yeah. unwelcome fellow friend requests, you ignore them. What's the, the harm. So then there, then it goes things that are harmful in fact, or, or another one is content is content encouraging gambling. That's legal in the UK and every single most major newspapers make money off of it by encouraging gambling. Now there's things that are, are serious here, right? Trolling, hateful, discriminatory content against against groups, depicting violence. Well that's entertainment kind of that objectify to means or otherwise ally portrays women. So, and I'm not saying there's not serious stuff here, but you're getting, when you get down to that, you're getting down to 8% of the people said that it was a problem. So then you look and say, well, how many people complained 15% were really bothered. Then you say, then off come to its credit. I asked people about the positive end of the internet. I was, I was impressed with that. Right? So the statement being online has a overall positive effect on my mental health. Only 14% disagreed with that. So the fast half be British. Wow. Most people
Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:53):
Are Dom scrolling in the afternoon,
Jeff Jarvis (01:38:55):
But they're not, they're saying it's, it's it. Most people say, yes, it has a positive effect on my mental health. Then how about this? Well, how about addiction? It's
Ant Pruitt (01:39:02):
Fascinating.
Jeff Jarvis (01:39:02):
We just talked about
Ant Pruitt (01:39:03):
People on Twitter.
Jeff Jarvis (01:39:05):
Well, actually there is part of that in the survey, but I don't have that in my post. So you gotta ask the question. I don't have the answer to thanks a lot. Thanks a lot. <Laugh>
Ant Pruitt (01:39:12):
Good job Ann. Well, but I mean 14%. That's I know that's just a lot of people. This is yeah. Yeah. You know,
Jeff Jarvis (01:39:20):
For only 14% disagree, the rest say it has a positive effect on my mental health. Then how about the
Ant Pruitt (01:39:27):
Statement? A lot of people that that's fine with this. I, and again, if I open Twitter right now, which I've, I've had to slow down a bit on it the last week and a half or so. There's so much anger in, in hate. Rightfully so. There's no way I would've assumed 80, 86% was like, yeah, my mental health. Great. Right.
Jeff Jarvis (01:39:49):
Well, it's actually about half half here. It's it's so small. I can't see 40% shrug it's icks doesn't matter. But 33 plus 10 43% said, yes, it has a positive effect of my mental health. Next one is the statement. I feel I have a good balance between my online and offline life. Oh yeah. People just cannot get rid of this stuff. Right? 74% said, yes, I have a fine balance. Thank you very much.
Ant Pruitt (01:40:15):
Narcissist their lines.
Jeff Jarvis (01:40:17):
Oh, aunt. I have
Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:18):
A good balance between my online and offline
Ant Pruitt (01:40:21):
Life. They are lying me too.
Jeff Jarvis (01:40:24):
I can share opinions and have a voice 44% agree with that. I feel more free to be myself online. A third agree. Almost a fifth disagree. Alright. Many people
Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:37):
Self online. Jeff.
Jeff Jarvis (01:40:39):
I feel, I feel free to be myself online. Yeah. Yeah. Are you, what else do I do? Geez, aunt, do you feel free to be yourself online?
Ant Pruitt (01:40:49):
I'm a, oh yeah. I definitely feel free. People don't agree with it, but that definitely.
Jeff Jarvis (01:40:53):
So Stacey, we don't know the real, you then,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:56):
You know, a, I mean, you know, an accurate and authentic version of me, but you do not know me. Me. I would never, I would never bring my whole self to the internet
Ant Pruitt (01:41:07):
For oh, okay.
Jeff Jarvis (01:41:08):
Right. That she's a spy.
Ant Pruitt (01:41:12):
She's a spy. <Laugh> that's
Jeff Jarvis (01:41:13):
True. The COVID is making her admit it again and again and again, but she's a spy she's telling us it's a fake Stacy. See
Ant Pruitt (01:41:21):
If, if, if miss Stacy is saying, you know, I share a lot, but I'm not gonna share everything then. Yeah. That's me, you know, I'm, I'm not telling the whole
Jeff Jarvis (01:41:29):
In it. No, I don't whole
Ant Pruitt (01:41:30):
Private life. No, but for the most part, well,
Stacey Higginbotham (01:41:33):
There, there
Ant Pruitt (01:41:33):
Definitely standpoint. You get me, you know, from a personality standpoint, you're going to get amp Pruit.
Jeff Jarvis (01:41:41):
So then the question is, do people feel like they're, they're, they're overwhelmed by the internet? How much confidence do they have? Is it internet user, right. So they're asked, do you, do you have conf overall confidence as an internet user, 79% call themselves very fairly confident as internet users? Only 8% said, eh, not so much. What about percent advertising
Ant Pruitt (01:42:04):
Guy? Every Saturday and Sunday?
Jeff Jarvis (01:42:06):
<Laugh> yeah, they are Leo's audience and let's not make fun of them. So then about online advertising, are you confident that you could recognize online advertising? 78% said yes. 7% said no. Well, data data's a problem. Right? Surely they feel they've lost control of that. A majority of 58% said they are confident managing their data. 18% said no news. Do you feel confident judging the truthfulness of online information? 69% said yes. 9% said feel otherwise. So then we get
Stacey Higginbotham (01:42:39):
My father doesn't believe in the election that, that Biden actually won the election, but he's also, so he thinks
Jeff Jarvis (01:42:45):
He responsibility. He's confident that he's got it right. Yeah, exactly. So, but here's the interesting thing to me that, that, that, that then it comes around all that is asking about you, UK citizen. How do you feel about you and the internet? And people feel pretty good about themselves on the internet. It's useful. They feel in control. They're confident. Then they asked about the others agreement with the statement that internet users must be protected from seeing inappropriate, offensive content. Well, there, the third person effect comes in because most people say, oh yeah, they need help. I'm fine. But they need help. Which is the third person effect, which is I'm okay. But, but surely we've got to regulate for others. What this says basically is this becomes the basis for regulation is well I'm okay. But what, we gotta do something about everybody else. And I was fascinated by this cuz the off comes data and I'm right. I'm, I'm, I'm reading in a snarky way cuz that's me. Cuz I feel okay to be myself online and I am snarky is saying that there isn't this crying demand from the citizen saying I'm overwhelmed, we're being screwed up. You've gotta do something. You've gotta regulate the internet for us. Most people said, yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine. Okay. I found that fascinating, but
Ant Pruitt (01:44:04):
That is again, but what I'm seeing is my view of the internet. And I have to forget that you know that the internet is vast. I have to remember that the internet is vast. It's not just my view.
Jeff Jarvis (01:44:17):
So true. Everybody sees a different internet. Absolutely. Everybody sees a different internet. All right. We should go back to our friend Leo over to you, Leo.
Leo Laporte (01:44:28):
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Leo Laporte (01:45:12):
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Jeff Jarvis (01:46:53):
Thank you, Leo. And I'm still worried that Leo doesn't know where he is. Do we know where Leo is?
Ant Pruitt (01:46:59):
That dude? He barely knows his schedule. Remember having remember last week he thought it was Tuesday while we were doing the show. He's never done twig on a Tuesday,
Jeff Jarvis (01:47:07):
So oh,
Ant Pruitt (01:47:07):
Why would he expect, why would
Jeff Jarvis (01:47:09):
We use all I know, but Penny's on the, he said he is on the boat. I don't know. That's Leo was confused.
Ant Pruitt (01:47:14):
Have you seen the mock I guess it does, but like a boat cabin on the inside, right?
Jeff Jarvis (01:47:19):
<Laugh> so you marked a story that I found interesting too. Google looks to reduce pushback bias in developer's software code review. And I didn't, I I'm not a coder. I didn't really understand that there's anonymous or there there's there's there's software review where people judge your stuff and that they're finding that when people know it's black, Latinx, Asian women face more code pushback than white male engineers. And as a result, it costs more money to go back and, and, and deal with all of these reviews. So they're thinking of switching to anonymous review. I found that interesting to say the least.
Ant Pruitt (01:48:05):
I saw that and I, I guess I was a bit naive <laugh> assume that a code review was, was code reviewed. You know, I've been in that, what is, what is it called? A S D E L C software development life cycle where the developers, they put their code in, in place and so forth and they have to test it out. And then it goes through a code review from one of their peers, a group of their peers to make sure things are right. And there's a lot of back and forth on that. So I just assumed that it's a situation where everybody's on the same team and has the same goal of, we want to get this, this product out and, and successful and, and bug free. Of course it's never gonna be bug free, but they're
Jeff Jarvis (01:48:51):
Is
Ant Pruitt (01:48:51):
Bug free,
Jeff Jarvis (01:48:52):
Right? Everything's politics, everything's politics. The numbers of the story
Ant Pruitt (01:48:56):
From I had no idea that it was like that. And I totally
Jeff Jarvis (01:49:01):
Commended make sense when you know it
Ant Pruitt (01:49:03):
<Laugh>.
Jeff Jarvis (01:49:03):
Yeah. So the numbers are this to do this. They found that at Google women face 21% higher odds of pushback than than men during code review, black developers, 54% higher than white developers, Latin X, 15% higher, Asian, 42% higher given a high population of Asian developers. This is shocking. Is it, and, and I'm not surprised once I know it. I got surprised once I know it, but it's everywhere. It's everywhere.
Ant Pruitt (01:49:39):
I, I was totally naive. I would've never guessed it. But, but again, that's me looking at, looking at the world, my own view because of the situations I've been in. And in those, in those different offices and departments, it was, it was a legit team effort. Just like if I were playing
Jeff Jarvis (01:49:58):
You didn't feel, you saw
Ant Pruitt (01:50:01):
Not
Jeff Jarvis (01:50:02):
One time Stacy, what about it from editing
Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:04):
From editing? I definitely,
Jeff Jarvis (01:50:06):
Yeah. You feel you got treated differently?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:09):
Yes. Sometimes. I mean, it depends on the editor, but yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (01:50:12):
Yeah, sure.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:13):
Yeah. I mean, and I also got treated differently when I was editing someone and how they would react to my edit mm-hmm
Ant Pruitt (01:50:22):
<Affirmative> oh yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:24):
Oh,
Jeff Jarvis (01:50:26):
So what Google's thinking of doing is switching to an anonymous system and, and I'm, I'm not really in the ADE, right? I'm gonna impose Europe. I'm a faker, I'm just a journalism professor. But my new book coming out Guttenberg parenthesis is being put out by an academic press. So it was sent out for review and I was nervous as hell what was gonna happen. And it was sent out to, I didn't know who was sent back to, I got a note back, which was, which was helpful. It was, it was supportive, but also critical in some areas. And I deserved the criticism in those areas and I've, I, I changed the book as a result. And then interestingly, the reviewer decided to out himself and somebody I respect greatly, I knew of. And he did that. I thought was a very generous act because then that allowed me to have a conversation with him about the book and ask questions in greater detail. And, and so, but I always hear in the academ, you always hear the joke about reviewer. Number two, the reviewer number two basically is gonna tell you that you didn't cite my book. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, but I'm not saying it's my book cause I'm anonymous, but I'm gonna tear you over the polls cuz you didn't take my book. And so anonymity has its political issues too, but I think this makes perfect sense given the data here that geez, they should switch to anonymous Stacy.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:40):
Well, it's possible depending. I mean like as an editor, like or as a writer and as an editor really knowing whose work I was editing or whose work I was, who, who was editing my work. I could, I mean, I'm not gonna lie when I was at fortune. Some of my editors had no freaking clue about what I was writing about and, you know, I tried to explain it and I would always try to take their like, oh, I clearly did not explain this well, but you know, there were some things that I was just like, oh God, you don't know what you're talking about. Okay. Yeah, no. And I would, I, I could easily figure that out based on who was editing me. I, and I don't know if that's good or not. Now that I think about it, I'm like maybe my would've been a better writer if I had just said clearly I'm not making my point across to everyone, but can you, I don't.
Jeff Jarvis (01:52:29):
I have become E editorially feral blogging did it to me. Right. I don't, I don't want edit. I
Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:36):
Can't imagine when you were not feral when you were C
Jeff Jarvis (01:52:39):
Straight. Hey, Hey. Yeah. No, in fact, I'm, I'm nervous about the book because I, I almost wish there were another reviewer cuz I, cuz it's a big project and I don't wanna screw up. And so I want that, that, that backup. But yeah, when it comes to just basic, I have pulled magazine pieces because they butchered them and I said, no, I'm not doing it. Just not doing it. I'm I'm too old now. Bye I'm I, then I go Meow under a porch somewhere.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:05):
Well, yeah, I mean I've, I've AR I'll argue with people. But I I'm typically like, I love, I love my editors. I think they're the best people on the planet most of the time. So,
Jeff Jarvis (01:53:15):
But you've had some bad tell me you've had some bad editors.
Ant Pruitt (01:53:19):
I've had terrible editors.
Jeff Jarvis (01:53:20):
Oh
Ant Pruitt (01:53:20):
Yeah. But looking at code review versus you all in your, your yeah, yeah. Writing that code is either gonna run or it ain't. And if it does run, can it run more efficiently if you have right. Specific calls and stuff like that. That's why I was. So that's why I was so naive to all of this because I figured, you know, when the, the review comes in and the reviewer reviewing team says, you know what, maybe you should look at this function or maybe you should look at this call, whatever. I figured that's just for the better of the, of the team. I would've never assumed this was, oh gosh, this woman doesn't know what she's talking about. Look at this. She doesn't understand inheritance and whatever, you know, I would've never thought that.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:05):
But would you, would it matter if like someone was an expert in go versus, I don't know, Ling or Java or, you know, like that's when the, who might matter in a code review, but I don't really know if you're just saying, Hey, does it work or not?
Ant Pruitt (01:54:22):
Yeah, I don't. Yeah. I
Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:27):
Know <laugh> of which we are not any
Jeff Jarvis (01:54:29):
Well, exactly. Leo as a coder would be able to say better. Yeah. I guess one of the issues, does it run or not as key, is it efficient and elegant or not efficient or not is a key efficient, elegance is a whole
Ant Pruitt (01:54:42):
Another thing. Yeah.
Jeff Jarvis (01:54:43):
Right. Well, that's, that's better coded documentation. Yeah, I think I sympathize with you an it would seem to be, these are more rational things, which is why, again, the data bias is never surprising, but bias in this area at that level is kind of surprising just because it's people going after people. But you know, technology's funny thing when I worked at time, Inc. We had fights over what, what editorial systems to buy. And I was in the middle of those fights and I was, I was always amazed how people could, could, could spend political capital over something so boring as what computer we wrote on, but people just get, they use any opportunity to, to, to be over somebody else and use power in that way. And it comes out in all kinds of weird ways like technology. So Stacy, you mentioned a story earlier that, that you, you, you, you then and decided to do a different story, but I'm, I'm, I'm curious about this one, the story about Google telling you how much carbon footprint you have in your workspace.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:55:55):
Oh yeah. So this is, if you, this is basically more of you. Remember how Google was like, Hey world, we're gonna show you the most efficient way, like in maps or give you when you do, when you Google for flight information, we'll show you the most carbon neutral carbon efficient. The one that uses the least amount that emits the least amount of carbon dioxide into the air. We'll show you those and rank those for you. They're starting to take that to cloud computing workloads. So you can actually, in workspace, if you have a Google account and a Google cloud account, you can build your jobs and assess how carbon neutral or carbon, how much carbon they emit. That's really what they're doing. So, so
Jeff Jarvis (01:56:41):
Here's my question about this one. Go ahead. No, go ahead. You gimme your examples first.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:45):
Oh, it was, it could be things like, Hey, where is this located? Where, where is the data center located? How efficient are the servers in that data center? It, I don't know if it looks at your code or not. I thought it might. So, so those are the kind of things that's looking for,
Jeff Jarvis (01:57:01):
But here's what got me about this. If isn't that really a matter of Google rather than the user. In other words, if Google used 100% renewable energy, then this wouldn't be an issue. It's an issue because Google doesn't yet use a hundred percent renewable energy.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:20):
Well, Google can't use a hundred percent renewable energy everywhere because we don't have that. So even in its most renewable friendly places, it's still like if you're computing something, if it's a workload that's happening in the middle of the night and there's no solar power, then it's not running on renewables. So, and then there's always okay. Decisions on. So it may be like, what time can this workload run only during the day, maybe, you know, so it's basically just trying to make a lot of that more transparent. And this is a little bit greenwashing. I'll be honest. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> but we're also seeing with the ESG goals of companies being reported to the S E C just more attention on this overall, the entire accountability industry. We're starting to see a lot of things happen around that. And it's really fascinating. So this is an effort from Google. We'll probably see similar efforts from other cloud providers and we're seeing it all over the place. And I, I think it's kind of cool because we're starting to externalize some of the costs associated with things that are not just based on like ROI. So not just like the cash outlays it inlays. Right. we're starting to think about how this affects the environment. So it's kind of positive. It's greenwashing, but it's also a little bit positive.
Jeff Jarvis (01:58:44):
Okay. But it should, but, but, but at some level, the big decisions here are not the users. The big decisions are Googles.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:58:52):
Well,
Jeff Jarvis (01:58:52):
They're gonna have the most
Stacey Higginbotham (01:58:54):
Impact, but if Google can tempt you to do a more, like more efficient code, they should
Jeff Jarvis (01:58:58):
Like a power company. You're right. Okay.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:01):
Yeah. Yeah. Or, Hey, what if you ran this over here? It's a much cleaner data center. I mean, some places they have sh not great data centers because they, they don't have a, like, that's the closest they can get. And that's what they could get. You know? Like you can't just pop a data. It's not easy to build a whole new data center somewhere. Cuz they consume a ton of power. They require lots of water and resources. So sometimes you just gotta work with what you have.
Jeff Jarvis (01:59:31):
Got it.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:32):
Oh, here's a whole thing on Google's. Let's see. Oh they say they have a hundred percent renewable energy for all cloud regions. Look at
Jeff Jarvis (01:59:39):
That. Well, that's what I thought. So how I don't understand. I'm confused again.
Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:45):
I don't believe them.
Jeff Jarvis (01:59:47):
Okay. Maybe that's what its
Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:49):
Fair enough. I don't believe you Google. Let's see. <Laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (01:59:57):
You find anything in there?
Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:59):
Maybe it's oh this could just be a sales tool. Like don't host it yourself. Work with us. You'll save this much in carbon.
Jeff Jarvis (02:00:06):
Oh I see. I thought it was much. I'll never mind then I just gave them free publicity. Speaking of which it's a vote, do we do a change log or not? I like
Stacey Higginbotham (02:00:16):
The change log.
Jeff Jarvis (02:00:17):
Do it. It's still Google do it all. Let's hear the trumpets. The Google change log. See here's the confession I have during the change log. I don't get any waffles, but I do kind of take a breath. I figure Leo's gonna go through it. He's gonna explain it all to us. And I don't pay a lot of attention. I don't. I read everything most, everything else in the rundown. I don't really pay attention to the changelog but today I have to pay attention to the damn change log and you just made me do it cause it's democracy. <Laugh> okay.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:00:52):
Sorry. Jeff's gonna hurt you.
Jeff Jarvis (02:00:54):
It, it does. It does so good. This one, I put this one in here. So I find this interesting. So I'll start here. Google is paying than comedian foundation for better access to information. What this story is really about is Wiki media has created a, an enterprise version of itself that yes you can scrape Wiki media. Yes it's it's the, the license allows anybody to take it. You can make books out of it. If you want, you can do whatever you want. But now Wiki media is doing a premium version for companies. And if you want to get better access to their data, then you can use this. And it's a way for Google to then say, well, we don't pay for content. We're paying for the executive plan, which, and I think everybody wins here. Wikied is something we love. Wikipedia is something we love and they're getting more resources as a result for being used, even though it's free and you can use it for free, you don't have to pay. But we're giving you a way you can, if you want to, which I think is smart. That's that way. So that's the problem with the change log. There's not really a lot of discussions. Kind of okay. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:52):
Hang out. Sinces in November. I am sad. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (02:01:56):
Just please continue. That's <laugh> all you. Well, we,
Jeff Jarvis (02:01:59):
You jumped ahead of the change log Stacy. You jumped ahead here.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:02):
Oh, we don't ever cover all the stories or go in order.
Ant Pruitt (02:02:07):
That's true.
Jeff Jarvis (02:02:07):
We don't. That's true. Actually, you know what? I'm sorry. I screwed up that one. Wasn't even in the change log. That was
Ant Pruitt (02:02:12):
It. Wasn't in the change log, but it is now.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:15):
I was like it's right there. It's screwed. 9 1 50.
Jeff Jarvis (02:02:17):
I, I was looking at the Google section. All right. No. Now, now Chromebooks. Well, I care about this one too. Chromebooks in the new OS 1 0 3, which I tried to get today and I didn't have all kinds of new neat features, which, because Chromebook people even smarter than we already were. One screen casting officially arrives in Chrome OS 1 0 3. I didn't know it wasn't there before, but that's fine. That's a nice thing to have two use nearby share to get a Chromebook online. What does that mean? I don't even know.
Ant Pruitt (02:02:51):
Not sure.
Jeff Jarvis (02:02:52):
<Laugh> this is one for Android users, cuz it's not supported by iOS. I think you could use it for your phone. Okay. recent phone photos appear on your Chromebook. Which if you have the way my phone is set up, my phone photos appear in Google photos anyway. So they do appear on the Chromebooks. I'm confused there, but fine. Zip file. Extraction works as it does on other operating systems. Good. But nobody should use zip anymore. Why does anybody use Zippy? Where I hate zip?
Ant Pruitt (02:03:22):
Why? Why not use it?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:03:22):
So that's yeah. Why not use it? Is it just cuz you hate it?
Jeff Jarvis (02:03:25):
Yeah, it's just cause I hate it. Cuz we're just send me the files. I pick the files. I've gotta break it up into the files and I gotta figure out where they are and all just send me the files.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:03:33):
This sounds like a biased code review. <Laugh> yeah. I'm like what is happening here?
Jeff Jarvis (02:03:39):
I, I don't, I don't like zip. Zip is zip is so 2002.
Ant Pruitt (02:03:44):
It's a pain in the butt, but I get,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:03:46):
Are you sure? You're not thinking of zip drives? Like the little funky. Oh,
Jeff Jarvis (02:03:50):
I omega things. Grandpa.
Ant Pruitt (02:03:52):
No grandpa moment.
Jeff Jarvis (02:03:55):
Yeah. play store search in Chrome OS luncher I just don't care. I just don't care. So I'll keep going. And I have a Chromebook guy. I don't care. Save virtual desk templates for later use.
Ant Pruitt (02:04:10):
I'm trying to figure out where the heck you are.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:04:12):
Where are you getting
Jeff Jarvis (02:04:13):
This from? I'm in the story. I'm the about Chromebook story from our friend Kevin. Oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:04:19):
Oh, okay. So
Jeff Jarvis (02:04:19):
Number seven, updated terminal for Linux on Chromebooks. Well, Kevin likes that
Stacey Higginbotham (02:04:27):
And I think cuz he comes on his Chromebook.
Jeff Jarvis (02:04:29):
Yes, exactly. And Bluetooth fast pair is coming to Chromebooks. Okay. So we've done that. So Kevin, thank you for that. You made that as easy as he could have made that back to the rundown Google Hangouts are shutting down in November. Okay. There we are. Now finally, how many times have we done this story? How many times have we talked about Hangouts and chat and all this stuff and, and how many times has it counted? And, and, and the joke is it would happen sooner, but the Google people can't agree, which communications application to use to talk about it. Cause they have too many names. That's funny. <Laugh> it's funny. Not my joke is somebody else need a rim for that jam would be. Yeah, exactly. Gmail gets material, you web redesign and Gmail only view without chat or meat. Oh, I like that. I find that irritating. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:20):
You complain about that a lot. So.
Jeff Jarvis (02:05:22):
Yay. Yeah. So that's good. That's fine. Okay. That's good. All right. So yeah. Well, alright. And then closing it out here actually. Okay. Chrome for iOS is getting better protections against malicious sites. I don't care. I don't care. That's the end of the change log. Oh wait. Oh no, it's not. Okay. Wait, wait. So Stacy wait. Oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:45):
Oh, it's too late.
Jeff Jarvis (02:05:47):
Wait, go ahead. Stacy.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:50):
Scooter X through something in there. That's worth mentioning in the, in the IRC. He's got a nine to five story about how to download your Google Hangouts data before it shuts down for good.
Jeff Jarvis (02:06:00):
Oh, oh
Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:01):
Good. Yeah. So if you're, I mean, if you want to grab your Hangouts data, which feels like a lot, you have to go to Google takeout, you have to use the web. So you can't do this like on the mobile, but go to the, well, you can't do it on a mobile, but anyway, you go to Google takeout and then you will, they
Jeff Jarvis (02:06:18):
Give you a zip file,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:19):
Deselect, everything except for your Hangouts data and then export it and create the file. And voila, you have everything TA I've never used Google takeout have y'all
Jeff Jarvis (02:06:31):
I have, I
Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:31):
Didn't even know that existed.
Jeff Jarvis (02:06:33):
Yeah. Long. It's a, it's a long time ethical things they do. Yeah. It's, it's a good thing to have. Well thank you. So now there's some government we're gonna end the change log again, Jeremy. Otherwise the universe would not be in order. We can't do
Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:50):
Change. You don't wanna talk about FIA being on the nest hub, max, after all this time we spent go for it, speculating on FIA.
Jeff Jarvis (02:06:57):
And it actually exists as a, as an operating system. Talk about it.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:00):
Well, we knew it was, I mean we knew they were making it and we knew it was kind of for things is what we figured out. It's for running on all kinds of things, a wide variety of computing platforms, which is important for IOT. And now they're making it available for people on the nest hub. Max, if you want to use it. So people had you, your first gen desktop hub is probably running on Fusia today. And now you can now put it on your desktop hub X, if you want.
Jeff Jarvis (02:07:32):
So Uhhuh, what will it enable you to do that you wouldn't otherwise have able to do?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:38):
No one knows,
Jeff Jarvis (02:07:40):
Oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:40):
<Laugh> you have an operating system. So
Jeff Jarvis (02:07:43):
What's the useful future gonna be? Why are they doing it? Is this this?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:48):
So you build easily so you can build software. So in operating systems, that's on your hardware in ties your software. That's like your applications. It lets them it's an abstraction layer. So all kinds of applications can run on the hardware, right. And make use of the hardware resources a computer has available to you. So Fusha is normally you build an operating system for like phone only, right? That's or computers only is historically what we've done or weird embedded devices only. And so what's happening is you want things to run on a phone or on a computer or on a thermostat or on a display or on a smart TV. And so Fusia is designed to be an operating system that can span all of those things. So you could build an app that could run on all of those things without you having to do with like an Android app or a nest home hub app or Chromecast app. Did that help?
Jeff Jarvis (02:08:48):
Yes. That is. Thank you. So queen of IOT you're probably gonna say, oh, this is, this is stupid. Jeff, why did you put this in here? It's so passe and so mean this, but I'm curious what you say about the finger bot line 1 66.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:03):
The hell is a finger bot. Oh no, I just,
Jeff Jarvis (02:09:04):
Oh, I gotcha.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:07):
You got me
Jeff Jarvis (02:09:07):
Finger bot and I it's, it's only a tweet, so it doesn't take longer to read into it. A tweet with a little video here of Mashable. We gotta go through the ad a finger, but let you turn on and off traditional things. It's just simply a button pusher.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:23):
Oh, it's like a switch
Jeff Jarvis (02:09:24):
Button. Button pusher.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:25):
Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, so there's a million of these.
Jeff Jarvis (02:09:28):
There are, that's what I was gonna ask. Okay. There are, do you actually use
Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:31):
This? This is a pretty one. It is. I, I don't because I don't have anything that really, most of the devices I've bought lately,
Jeff Jarvis (02:09:39):
You've already are a generation beyond. Yes, you don't have.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:42):
Yeah. But, but peasants, like if you have a, a popular use case would be like a coffee machine. So being able to set a timer for your coffee machine, cuz a lot of people have coffee machines that, you know, even if you turn it on, you have to press a button for it to actually go. So that would be useful for those people.
Jeff Jarvis (02:10:01):
Hmm. Okay.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:10:03):
They look stupid though for things like light switches. Oh my God. If you're gonna do that, just pay the money and just install a connected light switch. But you know, if you like your coffee machine or if you have like a cool bespoke kind of device, then yeah. These make sense.
Jeff Jarvis (02:10:17):
All. Alright good. So I've never been a gamer. I don't care about games, but I guess we should note that this is Atari's 50th birthday.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:10:27):
I thought it was Nintendo's 50th birthday go Atari. <Laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (02:10:32):
Atari was, does it just mean anything to you have your childhood?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:10:37):
Yeah. We had a notar.
Ant Pruitt (02:10:39):
I remember the neighbors had one and then we got one the following year. It was pretty, pretty badass. Loved it. Absolutely loved it.
Jeff Jarvis (02:10:50):
Why
Ant Pruitt (02:10:50):
Did it combat
Jeff Jarvis (02:10:52):
<Laugh> what went wrong with Atari? It was Nolan Bushnell. It was the hot thing. It was everything. P it was the, it was just, just, you can't be on top forever or what went wrong?
Ant Pruitt (02:11:04):
Was it innovation? I don't know, because after that, everything went into those eight bits and, and you know, higher graphic games where Atari was nowhere near that. Maybe that's what it was. They just didn't innovate. I don't know.
Jeff Jarvis (02:11:22):
Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (02:11:23):
I don't know those. Yeah. I was a kid. I know Steve jobs was there, but that's about it. And swindled, Mr. Wosniak Atari Wasniak did he?
Jeff Jarvis (02:11:36):
Oh, that's right. They worked in the, they worked in the there. Right. You know, that's where Steve didn't bathe. Unlike Stacy. Who does Steve? All Dave
Ant Pruitt (02:11:44):
Just
Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:44):
Constantly bathing.
Jeff Jarvis (02:11:45):
Yeah. <Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:48):
I mean, I know Nolan Bushnell left or after Atari, he started Chucky cheese,
Jeff Jarvis (02:11:52):
Chucky cheese. Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (02:11:53):
Oh
Jeff Jarvis (02:11:54):
Boy. He Chucky cheese, which no longer has animatronic animals. Right? The naked rid
Ant Pruitt (02:12:00):
Creep, all the kids out
Jeff Jarvis (02:12:01):
<Laugh> I've seen great pictures of them in found in junkyards. That's just the most dystopian thing you can imagine is a Chucky cheese character torn apart in a junky. It's it's beautiful. I, I would, I want one produced for that or I'm gonna do a story. That's gonna make J be all nervous and it's gonna make his head explode, but don't worry. J B we're not gonna say any dirty words. This is line 1 72. This is compound pejoratives on Reddit. And so it's a data set of putting together bad words. Right. Cause we all like to do that. So like you jerk head. So it's like things we used to do in second grade. You snot wagon camera be still nervous. I'm gonna say something bad. <Laugh> so far I haven't,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:12:49):
I'm nervous because I'm thinking of snot wagons gross. <Laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (02:12:54):
So there's a, there's a nice matrix of per here where you can put together words. Now I think the challenge we should have here for just a moment here is to, is to come up with bad words that do not make J ever be nervous. Like I'll start. You are dip waffle.
Ant Pruitt (02:13:16):
<Laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (02:13:20):
Okay. You try one. Now find one from column a and one from, from the X and one from the Y that doesn't make chamber B's head explode.
Ant Pruitt (02:13:28):
I, oh gosh. I don't know, dude. You
Jeff Jarvis (02:13:30):
Can do it. It, you can do it.
Ant Pruitt (02:13:32):
I'm not clever enough.
Jeff Jarvis (02:13:34):
There's no
Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:35):
Soup noodle.
Jeff Jarvis (02:13:37):
That's there you go. A soup. Noodle's not, oh, you're cheated. Stacy. You're cheating.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:42):
How is that cheating? It's harder to come up with things like soup noodle without a matrix.
Jeff Jarvis (02:13:47):
Well, you're
Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:47):
Just in current state. It's yeah. It's very easy.
Jeff Jarvis (02:13:52):
Actually. You need a chart. Yes.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:56):
Yeah. I don't know where we are in the, the
Ant Pruitt (02:13:58):
Such a big Trump lit <laugh> I
Jeff Jarvis (02:14:01):
Don't know. You scroll down. That
Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:03):
Is, that imply that Trump's an insult.
Jeff Jarvis (02:14:06):
Yeah. Which I
Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:07):
Liberals create this. Jeff,
Jeff Jarvis (02:14:10):
You you're just a poop Golan. All that was
Ant Pruitt (02:14:14):
Hundred percent chart.
Jeff Jarvis (02:14:16):
There are. And so many words we can't say so many words. Should everybody sitting over there saying, please don't say it, please. Don't say it please.
Ant Pruitt (02:14:21):
Don't please. Don't please. Don't
Jeff Jarvis (02:14:22):
Please. Don't you are a scum sucker now that's one. That's kind of known, right? You're a dirt face. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> alright, well we'll we'll end this right now. So
Ant Pruitt (02:14:36):
<Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:37):
Can we call someone a wake nozzle?
Ant Pruitt (02:14:40):
You can't even say that nozzle? I don't think so. Not anymore.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:43):
Is wake nozzle? Not, I don't know
Jeff Jarvis (02:14:45):
You can't.
Ant Pruitt (02:14:47):
I don't. Well,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:48):
I could call someone a scum nugget. Oh, I kind of like that one. I'm gonna
Jeff Jarvis (02:14:51):
That's nice. That's nice. A scum nugget. <Laugh> see, I knew you'd like you said a scum. I knew you'd get into it. <Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:58):
All right.
Jeff Jarvis (02:14:59):
All right. There's there's a hundred show titles that we shouldn't use either. Can you explain this one? To me ant the rise of the 0.5 selfie.
Ant Pruitt (02:15:09):
No, because I don't like selfies. He
Stacey Higginbotham (02:15:11):
<Laugh>, people are taking ugly selfies done.
Ant Pruitt (02:15:15):
I don't like soothing right along at all. I am so against selfies. I don't have a problem with self portraits, which I've done a whole episode on, on hands on photography. But yeah, no, I don't know what this,
Jeff Jarvis (02:15:29):
Well, they're just used the wide angle lens to take a selfie, which makes it look stupid.
Ant Pruitt (02:15:33):
That's the worst thing to do. Those lenses have so much distortion in them. Don't don't do that. That's
Stacey Higginbotham (02:15:40):
I had a photographer at my wedding, which we're unclear how many years ago it was <laugh> but my mother-in-law really wanted her entire family, like a photo of their entire family at the wedding. And my mother-in-law is very like studio portrait. And my photographer at my wedding was a photojournalist because I wanted those like real candid, like truly candid, but pretty right. So my, I love them. My mother-in-law hated them. And then when she got to the photo of the like portrait of her entire family stuck together, because my photographer was not like, she didn't do that sort of thing. She used a fish eye,
Ant Pruitt (02:16:20):
Whatever it looks so terrible. Oh no.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:16:23):
Oh no, no, not a fish eye. A wide angle lens. Is that a
Jeff Jarvis (02:16:25):
Fish hunt? White?
Ant Pruitt (02:16:26):
No. Well, it's a wide fish has even wider in the wide angle. Yeah.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:16:30):
Oh yeah. Well, cuz it was a huge group of people. Like all just standing there
Jeff Jarvis (02:16:34):
Like this. So you were all distorted.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:16:38):
I mean, it didn't bother me at all, but she was like, I can't use this. I was like, sorry. <Laugh>
Ant Pruitt (02:16:44):
Oh man. Oh,
Jeff Jarvis (02:16:49):
Well. Oh, well alright. I think we're heading toward the end here, but what else do we see on the, what, what have I missed? What have we missed here on the whole rundown? Anything that excites you? Waffles.
Ant Pruitt (02:17:02):
We've covered a good, good day. We
Jeff Jarvis (02:17:04):
Covered a fair amount today. We covered a fair amount. Well, we have the burger that Instagram built. We didn't do that one.
Ant Pruitt (02:17:11):
Oh, that was a Stacy story. I
Jeff Jarvis (02:17:12):
Believe that's a Stacy story.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:14):
Did I
Jeff Jarvis (02:17:15):
Heard Monty's you, you, you put your initials by it. It's yours now. You can't you break it. You bought it
Ant Pruitt (02:17:21):
It now. <Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:24):
Okay. What about this
Jeff Jarvis (02:17:29):
Monte good burger uses LA in LA.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:31):
Go ahead. It's an LA burger chain that uses vegan or vegetarian burgers or burgers without meat, meatless burgers. And basically the three founders. I thought this was the stupid story. I think that's why I marked it. I was like this silly, but basically of course they're friends with the people who do Coachella. So they had a lot of famous people eat at their place. And when famous people eat there, they're like, these are delicious. I'd love to take a picture. And so then they share that with their sizable audience and voila. Monte is now famous
Ant Pruitt (02:18:02):
Easy advertisement basically.
Jeff Jarvis (02:18:04):
Yeah. Free advertising, absolutely free use celebrities to eat your burgers. By the way, you know, I, I I'm okay with the, the, the new meatless burgers I've had them. I had 'em in San Francisco. I think they're fine. But I think that when I see veggie burger on a menu, I want a black bean burger. I don't want a burger that thinks it's meat. When it's not. If it says of burger, want they be a veggie burger?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:33):
No, they sell. They bring you like, no, they, they tell you it's a black bean burger or they say it's an impossible burger or they don't, you, you don't just, no one puts a veggie burger and gives you like an impossible burger.
Jeff Jarvis (02:18:48):
It's hard to find black bean burger anymore. Just pissing me off. Cause I like a good black bean burger.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:54):
Oh well you should come live in the west coast because they're everywhere here.
Jeff Jarvis (02:18:58):
Oh they are?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:59):
Yeah. Are you just by like a Boca burger if you want 'em one home.
Jeff Jarvis (02:19:04):
I know. Oh, well I was amused by this one. The maker board a NFTs is suing an artist for profiting off copycat images. Like you can't just make a stupid picture of a stupid ape. Anybody can, you don't own the idea to make dumb apes, but now you're saying, but I didn't realize that that sometimes these things are used for a course added benefits and people think they're gonna get the added benefits. So I don't know, Anne, are you doing NFT still? Or you find that still useful?
Ant Pruitt (02:19:41):
They're out there, but I'm not pushing them. Just, I'm not pushing my, my audience I've as I said before, they want the physical piece of art in your hand. So as you see in that lower third, they aunt pruitt.com/prince is where you can get some old school in it.
Jeff Jarvis (02:19:59):
Well done. Well played PR well played. So this is related to another story which I found amusing. The times called them accidental media critics of YouTube, which is basically people saying that they're using YouTube to criticize. They're not accidental. They're not media. They're just people on saying what they gonna say cause he can now. But the funny thing is going after yes, after Gary Vanderchuck because he's an easy target. He makes himself such an easy and I, I know Gary, I like Gary, but yeah, he's an easy target for criticism because he's made himself into such a GU a board ape character himself. Right. He's just, he's, he's, he's, he's kind of a made up human NFT at this point. So people are spending a whole hour critiquing Gary V online, which I I've gotta watch now. I haven't watched it, but I, I found that amusing
Ant Pruitt (02:20:54):
So well again, it it's, they have the platform with YouTube. It's free to do you got your voice. You can clearly have edit that's the beauty and the sometimes sad part of the internet. <Laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (02:21:10):
They call Vayner Chuck, the youth pastor of capitalism, which is pretty funny too, I think. Oh, that is hilarious. Isn't it?
Ant Pruitt (02:21:17):
You know
Jeff Jarvis (02:21:18):
How often that's
Ant Pruitt (02:21:19):
Not on
Jeff Jarvis (02:21:19):
Insult table?
Ant Pruitt (02:21:21):
I respect exactly. Vayner, Chuck. I can never say it's last thing I respect. That's
Jeff Jarvis (02:21:26):
Why it's
Ant Pruitt (02:21:26):
Scary. I never really totally signed off on the whole hustle. Don't sleep narrative. Yeah. But I do believe in hustle. I do believe in putting in the work and grinding. I just hate the fact that he seemed to be the person that originate the, the message of all of you people out there wanting to be, be entrepreneurs, need to work 80 hours a week and don't sleep and end up having serious mental health problems because things aren't going the way you, you thought they would go. And you know, it it's, I don't think that was right. And I don't know if he ever really changed that narrative of about hustle don't sleep, but I, I couldn't totally sign off on that.
Jeff Jarvis (02:22:11):
Yeah. There's other people online before we got to YouTube, there are, there are all these people who write sales books, how to sell mm-hmm <affirmative> and it's and it's and they just come up with those lines and you write down those lines and think your life is changing. I'm I'll be rich now. And you it's it's it's it is a genre of human beings. I, I love this line in the New York times story. Cause I wanna make fun of it. Even in a world with no gatekeepers and limited moderation, a certain savvy will assert itself like, oh yes. Even if you don't work for the New York times, you can be savvy.
Ant Pruitt (02:22:38):
<Laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (02:22:40):
Alright. I'm getting grumpy now. I think it's
Stacey Higginbotham (02:22:44):
Time for Cacho Pepe. What do you think
Jeff Jarvis (02:22:47):
Stacy pause right now we're do that. But I think I'm, we're heading into anything else here. I think we've done it all. We've done it all wherever you are. Well we've, I mean,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:23:00):
We've been, we've been doing this for two and a half hours, so it's, you're not, this is not like a sad show.
Jeff Jarvis (02:23:05):
We're not shirking. We're not shirking. I mean,
Ant Pruitt (02:23:07):
You nothi plow through a lot of stories, sir. I mean,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:23:11):
I think we've
Jeff Jarvis (02:23:12):
Actually never it
Stacey Higginbotham (02:23:13):
Together. Wood with Leo.
Jeff Jarvis (02:23:14):
We all did it together. Yeah. This
Ant Pruitt (02:23:16):
Is, this is the succinct
Jeff Jarvis (02:23:18):
All. So we're gonna, and I'm gonna start with you for your thing
Ant Pruitt (02:23:23):
To pick
Jeff Jarvis (02:23:23):
Whatever of the week. Yes.
Ant Pruitt (02:23:26):
All right. Well, my first one is Aero cor Aero Corte this past weekend. Yeah, I think it, yeah, it was this weekend. I shot some video and went to pull it off of the, the, the SSD to put it on a computer so I could do the processing and whatnot. And the very last file on the card was corrupt. Just totally bizarre. I could see it when I dragged it to the computer. It showed that this thing was, you know, umping gigs in size as it should have been, but it would not play. And I put it on my camera and it would play on my camera. So I'm like, something's really odd with this. And I couldn't figure out what to do. And the TWI it guy gave me several suggestions to try Mr. Burt gave me several suggestions to try, but I ended up stumbling upon disservice Aero, quarte.com.
Ant Pruitt (02:24:19):
And I think it's called treasured something other. And they have this utility that allows you to, to see if they can recover your busted video files. You, you upload it and if they can fix it, they tell you yep. We can fix it. If they can't. They tell you they can't and they'll give you a quote to fix it. And it was, I ended up having another solution right after I <laugh>. I found that <laugh> but it was but I thought it was brilliant. And I was like, oh, this is great. Because a lot of those things, you buy the software and didn't end up it still didn't work, you know, because it was another problem.
Jeff Jarvis (02:24:56):
Yeah. Did they give you a
Ant Pruitt (02:24:57):
Price and you looked at pardon?
Jeff Jarvis (02:25:00):
Did they give you a price? What would the price have been?
Ant Pruitt (02:25:01):
Yeah, they gave me a quote and for mine, it would've been like $70, something like that, which was totally worth it for what it, for what the footage was. But for example, our very own Mr. Steve Gibson, he has that utility spin. Right? After speaking with him, spin, right. Wouldn't have worked for me. It was just, I would've paid for it and it wouldn't have done me any good. I still wouldn't have been able to get to my data, but this one here, it, it was, it was totally worth it. And I didn't have to pay anything, but it's nice to know that they were like, Hey, if we can fix it. Yeah, we got you. But if not, here's, if we here's your quote and if not, you go on about your day. So I like that. And my next pick is neon.
Ant Pruitt (02:25:45):
They announced a new camera bright, bright, and early over there, but it was actually more like last night here. It's a new mirrorless camera, an APSC crop sensor. It's the Z 30 or Z 30, depending on where you live. This is budget friendly. You can get it, you can get the body. And a kit lens, I think is a 16 to 55 millimeter kit lens for 846 bucks. They're trying to push this towards the bloggers. It's got, I believe it's got a 20 megapixel sensor for still shoot 11 frames for second, if you wanna do somewhat high speed. But video, you get up to 4k at 30 frames per second. So again, because this budget, you're not gonna be able to get 4k 60 or four 4k, one 20, but you can get HD in 120 frames per second, if you wanna do slowmo. So that's my other pick.
Jeff Jarvis (02:26:38):
Good Stacy.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:41):
I'm going with cooking and I'm sorry, I haven't been doing a lot of connected devices. One. I haven't been trying a lot of them cuz I've been kind of, this is a travel season for me,
Jeff Jarvis (02:26:49):
But, and you've had a few difficult weeks of disease.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:53):
Oh, well, yeah. But, and also is that I'm just kinda
Jeff Jarvis (02:26:56):
Being stuck in hotels for a while. How long, what was the total amount of time you were stuck in hotels between the two
Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:02):
Episodes I 14 plus 7 21.
Jeff Jarvis (02:27:06):
<Laugh> that's that's
Ant Pruitt (02:27:08):
Amazing.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:09):
21 or 22 days. Oh no. I forgot about the additional two days. So 23 days in a hotel.
Jeff Jarvis (02:27:16):
Geez. Geez. Thank you to hello.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:21):
Alright. My pick is what I, it's another gift I got for my husband for father's day. I'm just rolling through these out, but, but this one is the June egg pan. You have to have a June oven actually. Maybe you don't. I don't know, but if you have a June oven, God get this thing. It's maze balls. You can make perfect sunny side up eggs. I know you can put 'em in a fry pan, but like I always have a little issue, like they're slimy on top, but they're too cooked on the bottom. Sometimes this doesn't happen. Yeah. And
Ant Pruitt (02:27:53):
Nice.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:54):
And wow. And here's the secret thing instead of it, doesn't just do eggs. If you put muffin batter in it, it makes only muffin. Tops, muffin,
Jeff Jarvis (02:28:02):
Tops. That's right. Muffin, tops, muffin, tops. They have ruined the marketing of this. It should be the muffin top pan. Oh, by the way, I could do X.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:12):
Yeah. Well completely wrong.
Jeff Jarvis (02:28:13):
Probably it's the Seinfeld pan Seinfeld
Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:15):
It's well, that's like of a generation that is we're on the wane. Oh,
Jeff Jarvis (02:28:21):
Oh that you're calling me old for it again. I know.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:24):
I know what you're talking about
Jeff Jarvis (02:28:24):
Too, but okay. All right. All right.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:28):
I said we we're on the wane. We, yes. And my daughter used it to make, this was so genius mini cakes. So she made like put cake stuff in there. And so she made three cakes and they, she stacked them up as a layer. So she made chocolate cakes and she stacked. Well, that's cute. Thin chocolate cake and then iced it another one, another one. And then she iced around the whole thing and poof and yeah, that's really cute.
Jeff Jarvis (02:28:55):
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, what what's for her tonight?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:01):
Oh, I made meatballs. So we're we thought out some frozen, I made meatballs. Like I make a whole bunch at once and then we freeze them. So we're having panini
Jeff Jarvis (02:29:09):
Are these like Swedish meatballs or Italian meatballs?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:12):
They're Italian meatballs. It's panini. So we'll stick some
Jeff Jarvis (02:29:15):
Frozen. Oh, I see. Oh, okay.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:16):
Do some bread. That's
Jeff Jarvis (02:29:17):
Good. That's good. We can go back to the sandwich guy we did last week. Alright. So here's my number. Google and meta are losing their dominant position in the digital ad market. The two companies will account for 50.5% of digital ad spending this year, which is huge, but that will slip to 48.7% by 2023 and 47.7 by 2024, because it has all kinds of new competitors. Tiktok, Amazon, Walmart, apple, they're all taken ad share. So it's not an oligopoly a duopoly anymore. Well, it is right now, but the track is down. Now, mind you, the ad business is going up. It's a 13.2% increase, 359, 9 billion. And I would think the ad market would be going down because people can have direct relationships through all these other platforms. And there's so much competition. Nonetheless, it's going up. But, but the market share for the big guys is going down and I'm thinking of doing this for dinner tonight. So there was a little local story guy, fi guy FII right. Diner is, was it mm-hmm, <affirmative>
Ant Pruitt (02:30:28):
The, the guy that most people love to hate. And I don't know why he does a lot of good stuff.
Jeff Jarvis (02:30:32):
He's great. He's great. I've come to love. I go to sleep by him every night now put him on cuz they rerun him on TV, like crazy. He goes and he cares about, about foods that other people wouldn't care about. He's not a snob. He loves the chefs and he loves all,
Ant Pruitt (02:30:45):
He does a lot of philanthropy, a ton of it.
Jeff Jarvis (02:30:48):
Yeah, he's great. I like him. I like him. So there was a little news story that he came into town nearby and went to a restaurant. Well that place he's gonna get jammed. So I think I'm gonna go they're night cuz you know why they have black bean burgers and there are not easy to find out here. <Laugh> I think tonight is a black bean burger night.
Ant Pruitt (02:31:08):
You gonna scratch?
Jeff Jarvis (02:31:09):
That is the story outside. Yeah. Nice little cheddar. Little, little, little Trump ketchup on there.
Ant Pruitt (02:31:20):
That's okay. I will continue to eat cheese on your black leftovers. Applewood. Oh yeah. To meat <laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (02:31:26):
Spoke
Stacey Higginbotham (02:31:26):
Last night we had quinoa and sweet potato burgers and they were delicious with avocado.
Jeff Jarvis (02:31:34):
I was thinking about
Stacey Higginbotham (02:31:35):
And homemade aioli.
Ant Pruitt (02:31:37):
Oh.
Jeff Jarvis (02:31:38):
Oh. Did you home make the buns too?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:31:41):
No, I didn't do any of this. My husband.
Jeff Jarvis (02:31:43):
Okay. Oh I see.
Ant Pruitt (02:31:44):
Oh, okay. That as well. Everything else?
Jeff Jarvis (02:31:47):
One of my, one of my Twitter friends shows off making the looks like the best hamburger buns you've ever imagined, but we can't have,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:31:53):
I don't think my husband is like, if a recipe says you have to do something one way. That is the way he will do it. Whereas I'm like, oh aioli. That's just Mayo. I don't need to make that on my own. But he does it all.
Jeff Jarvis (02:32:06):
Got it. Got it. All right. Well you've made it through if you made it this far. Congratulations. Thank you. You get absolutely nothing for it. But you get the P a badge on saying I made it through a twig without Leo. And I'm grateful that you were all here. I'm grateful to the co wonderful. Co-Host who all jam be, who is behind the scenes.
Ant Pruitt (02:32:26):
Mr. Bonito, Mr. Beto
Jeff Jarvis (02:32:29):
Jam, brand new brand new Bonitos on the staff getting trained today. We didn't drive him crazy. And I want, how do you all, oh, that's true. We might have <laugh> so we got, oh, we got, we got a plug. We got a plug. So Stacey is Stacy on IOT. Anything to plug any events? Are you going to par? Why do you go to Paris?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:32:47):
I'm speaking at the Laura w world expo next week.
Jeff Jarvis (02:32:50):
Whoa, yay.
Ant Pruitt (02:32:52):
Outstanding.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:32:53):
And yeah, sign up for my newsletter. It's free. It's fun.
Jeff Jarvis (02:32:57):
What's your topic of speech?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:33:01):
Oh, good infrastructure is open infrastructure.
Jeff Jarvis (02:33:06):
<Laugh> I feel it's like a, like an etiquette talk from aunt Stacy. It,
Ant Pruitt (02:33:11):
No, wait a minute. You say open, open as an open source. That, that what you mean? I'm not sure.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:33:16):
Oh, see, half the speech is defining the terms.
Ant Pruitt (02:33:20):
Okay.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:33:20):
Cause open source does not. I mean, it doesn't have to be open source to still become good infrastructure. It
Ant Pruitt (02:33:26):
Helps, so. Okay. True. You need someone to carry your bags in Paris?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:33:32):
Yes. Yes I do. You wanna come aunt?
Ant Pruitt (02:33:34):
Yes please. Yes, please. <Laugh>
Stacey Higginbotham (02:33:37):
My, my, my family's gonna show up later. Oh, really? There to carry my bags. Oh yeah. They're they're gonna join me.
Jeff Jarvis (02:33:44):
Are you an oyster eater?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:33:46):
I love oysters.
Jeff Jarvis (02:33:47):
Yeah.
Ant Pruitt (02:33:48):
That's best
Jeff Jarvis (02:33:49):
Taste. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It has the best there. I've opened
Stacey Higginbotham (02:33:52):
Up something by that. I'm spoiled. Cuz I live right next to the most delicious oysters in the world.
Jeff Jarvis (02:33:56):
That's right. Yes you. Yes but no Paris does a pretty good job.
Stacey Higginbotham (02:34:01):
You gotta, I've never had, I've never had Perian oysters.
Jeff Jarvis (02:34:04):
Well, we'll have to see your, your, your ruling next in, in, in a month. When you return, when you were return, how long are you gone?
Stacey Higginbotham (02:34:09):
Two weeks. I'll be gone for 10 years.
Jeff Jarvis (02:34:11):
Again again, she goes again. Just
Stacey Higginbotham (02:34:14):
ID and I love gets C and I have to stay with them in a hotel. <Laugh>
Jeff Jarvis (02:34:18):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah. That's true. You get, you get points there. I can't yell right with that. And what do you wanna plug? Hop, hop on photography. Hop, hop,
Ant Pruitt (02:34:26):
Hop on. That's check out. Hands on photography. Hands on Twitter
Jeff Jarvis (02:34:30):
TV slash H O
Ant Pruitt (02:34:32):
H O P. Yes. Check it out.
Jeff Jarvis (02:34:34):
And pruit.com. Prince that's right. Get this virtual stuff by the real ant. The ant you can that's watch and hang and look at friends and say, where'd you get that? Don't forget to join club TWI. Where ant is the club director. He'll take you around the cruise ship and do shuffle board with you and everything. It's a lot of fun. I still, oh,
Stacey Higginbotham (02:34:59):
Hey, our book club book is Clara in the sun.
Ant Pruitt (02:35:01):
Oh, that's right. We do have, where is it announced? We need to figure out the date. I will email miss Stacy eventually to figure that out. This
Stacey Higginbotham (02:35:10):
Way every week we can talk about it. We'll just be like, here's some new drips of information. It won't be anytime soon.
Ant Pruitt (02:35:15):
Teasing it. Keep teasing it joint
Jeff Jarvis (02:35:18):
January 6th hearings. Yeah. Keep on stretching it out there. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much. I think that's it. We're done and I'm grateful and goodbye. And we'll see you next week. Bye.
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Hey, I'm rod pile editor of ad Astra magazine and each week I'm joined by TARC. Mallek the editor in chief over@space.com in our new this weekend space podcast, every Friday Tark. And I take a deep dive into the stories that define the new space age what's NASA up to when will Americans, once again set foot on the moon. And how about those samples in the perseverance Rover? When do those coming home? What the heck has Elon must done now, in addition to all the latest and greatest and space exploration will take an occasional look at bits of space flight history that you probably never heard of and all with an eye towards having a good time along the way. Check us out on your favorite podcaster
