This Week in Google 669, Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for TWIG This Week in Google, Stacy, Jeff and Ant are all here. Lots to talk about. We'll give you some book recommendations, tell you what Elon Musk wants to do to Twitter. He's become a little clearer on that. Twitter's new notes feature. And Amazon says, if we keep hiring at this rate, we're gonna run out of people. It's all coming up next on TWIG!

Narrator (00:00:28):
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Leo Laporte (00:00:37):
This is TWIG. This Week in Google episode, 669 recorded Wednesday, June 22nd, 2022. Mommy Made Me Match my M and M's. This episode of This Week in Google is brought to you by New Relic. The next 9:00 PM call is just waiting to happen. Get New Relic before it does, and you can get access to the whole New Relic platform and 100 gigabytes of data per month. Free forever. No credit card required. Sign up at and by Policy Genius. If someone relies on your financial support, whether it's a child, aging parent, even a business partner, you need life insurance, head to to get your free life insurance quotes and see how much you could save. And by Blueland, stop wasting water and throwing out more plastic. Get Blueland's revolutionary refill cleaning system Instead, right now you can get 20% off your first order when you go to it's time for TWIG this week in Google, the show we cover the latest news from the Google verse, the Twitter verse, the metaverse and the metaverse one is a trademark <laugh> metaverse. And the other one is the generic metaverse Stacy Higginbotham is here.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:03):
Hello everyone!

Leo Laporte (00:02:04): Still the best place to learn about IOT, the IOT podcast with Kevin Tofel get the newsletter. It's free. Good to see you today. Looks like a nice bright, sunny, second day of summer in your area.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:20):
You know, yesterday was summer, but today it's, it's skirted back into, you know, winter, you know, but it's coming

Leo Laporte (00:02:26):
Pacific Northwest one day of summer about all you can expect.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:30):
<Laugh> yeah, we always have a joke is summer gonna fall on the weekend this year?

Leo Laporte (00:02:34):
<Laugh> you can only hope it was 101 degrees here. Yesterday 38 degrees for our friends above the 49th parallel. That's very hot. It's a little cooler now. I think it's only 90. That is ladies. Gentlemen, the professional barit baritone of Mr. Jeff Jarvis buzz, The Leonard tower professor for journalistic innovation at the Criag Newmark graduate school of journalism at the city, university of New York. Hello, Jeff.

Jeff Jarvis (00:03:08):

Leo Laporte (00:03:08):
Good to see you. What was that?

Jeff Jarvis (00:03:13):
That's one of the,

Leo Laporte (00:03:14):
Do you have a new thing you can do from the new camera? He's doing a little trick. All right. We'll talk about your new camera and your little camera tricks in a second. But first obnoxious

Jeff Jarvis (00:03:23):

Leo Laporte (00:03:23):
I can do <laugh> is pretty obnoxious. Yeah, it is. First let's say hi to hands on photography host. He's sitting in the dark, ladies, gentlemen, Ant Pruit, and then the lights come on. There it is.

Jeff Jarvis (00:03:39):

Leo Laporte (00:03:39):
One. We forced him to do that. Twit.Tv/Hop Hey, can I say how much fun I had last week doing your book club, Stacy.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:50):
Oh, thank you. I had so much. I was so glad that you came and I can't wait to, oh, I guess you can't find out.

Leo Laporte (00:03:56):
Can I come some more?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:58):
Yeah. You are always welcome at the book club.

Leo Laporte (00:04:00):
Oh good. Cuz I, I actually, nobody would ever let me be in their book club.

Jeff Jarvis (00:04:06):

Leo Laporte (00:04:06):
Why is that?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:08):
Did you like Neil

Leo Laporte (00:04:08):
Stevenson? Because I talked too much. <Laugh> and I'm afraid I did that again on Thursday, but did you,

Jeff Jarvis (00:04:14):
Did you get the pick for the basketball teams? What scream <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:04:22):
No, I'm a nerd. Of course not. I was always last pick. Go. No on that one. Yeah. I was always last pick, but I don't get how that's germane.

Jeff Jarvis (00:04:29):
Well, you don't get picked for the

Leo Laporte (00:04:30):
Book club. Oh yeah, no, I, I lost on both ends. You're just out and everything. I didn't get the nerd pick either. Yeah, you're right. That's kind of rude. That,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:38):
That doesn't for both. So I can't, I can't

Leo Laporte (00:04:41):
<Laugh> yeah, I bet you were, are you tall?

Jeff Jarvis (00:04:43):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:44):
You tall? I for, yes. I, I was five nine when I was in seventh grade. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:04:49):
That's tall. I never,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:50):
Yeah. So I was less impressive as

Leo Laporte (00:04:53):
Do we know yet? What book we're gonna do? You're gonna do next.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:57):
No, we so far we got until Friday to vote.

Leo Laporte (00:05:01):
Where is the vote taking place?

Ant Pruitt (00:05:05):
It is in our discord under the book club channel.

Leo Laporte (00:05:07):

Ant Pruitt (00:05:09):
Actually I could probably pin it if I didn't

Leo Laporte (00:05:10):
Pin it up. No, no, that's all right. It's so the reaction vote buttons on this vote to post, so Waste Tide Binti or Klara and the Sun, Klara and the Sun is pulling away, but that's cuz you sold it. I, you sold it by the same guy.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:26):
It's it's also short. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:05:27):
Yeah. Well this other one was so long. That was like eight book clubs worth of Stevenson. <Laugh> all right. Good. All right. So we will we will continue the vote till Friday and then announce the next Stacey's book club. They're always sci-fi right?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:45):
Yeah. So sci-fi book club, but we do try to pull in authors from like different parts of the world or different points of view. So it's nice. We, we really try to get a variety in

Leo Laporte (00:05:56):
There and it is for Club TWiT members. I'm sorry. So you have to go to if you're not a Club TWIT member,, you do get a lot of other benefits, but this is one of the benefits is the Stacey's book club. And then you go to the book club, book, conversation in our discord, and you can vote there and do so quickly. I was really fun. Anyway. Thank you for inviting me. Thank you for, for letting yeah. You were great. Letting me be in there. You

Ant Pruitt (00:06:21):
Didn't, you didn't talk too much as I'm assuming that's what you were thinking. But I, I just liked the fact that you sold me on giving the book. Another try

Leo Laporte (00:06:29):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:30):
You did El you know what

Leo Laporte (00:06:32):
Else, man? That's

Jeff Jarvis (00:06:35):
Last was

Ant Pruitt (00:06:37):
It last? Well, I know a pitch man

Jeff Jarvis (00:06:38):
You did.

Leo Laporte (00:06:39):
<Laugh> go ahead.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:41):
Oh no. I was gonna say last week you did you convinced me to pay to stick with cloud cuckoo land and I did. And you were right

Jeff Jarvis (00:06:51):
These words,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:52):
But yes.

Jeff Jarvis (00:06:53):
See, I knew, I knew the sci-fi. I don't wanna, I don't wanna ruin for anybody, but there's it turns into sci-fi which is what's so neat about it because the future stuff is, is there,

Leo Laporte (00:07:03):
I don't think I convince you cuz I haven't read it.

Jeff Jarvis (00:07:06):
Oh, okay. Then it was Jeff that I'm sorry

Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:09):
You were right. Holy

Jeff Jarvis (00:07:10):
Holy. Get the history books out folks and add a line. Woo.

Leo Laporte (00:07:17):
So I should add that to my to my my book subscriptions as well. I think actually I it's on my wishlist. I think. Yeah, it is. Cuz of you. Yeah. So that's worth see it reading. All right. Good.

Jeff Jarvis (00:07:29):
Well, Stacy I'm I'm impressed. You stuck with it. Cause that's that's yeah, I was a little dubious for a while too, but then I, then I got into it.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:36):
Yeah. After I got the 12%, the way through then I was like, boom I'm in it.

Leo Laporte (00:07:41):
Yeah. Sometimes books are like that. You have to read enough. Oh, I have two new credits.

Jeff Jarvis (00:07:47):

Leo Laporte (00:07:48):
It's the 22nd. Oh I love oh, happy day. My favorite time of the month when I get two new credits on Audible. Oh yay. Good. Now I, I guess I'll add cloud cuckoo land and oh no, but I gotta wait cuz I don't know yet what the book club book will be. Oh,

Jeff Jarvis (00:08:05):
You could always buy extra credits, you know, as I do constantly.

Leo Laporte (00:08:08):
Yeah. You're a reader. I am actually reading and I highly recommended it to anybody. Who's a geek. The biography of John von Neumann. I recommended

Jeff Jarvis (00:08:16):
That to you.

Leo Laporte (00:08:17):
Yeah. Did I think I'd figured it was cause it was yes, it was on the list. It's quite good. Thank you. That is,

Jeff Jarvis (00:08:23):
It explains things very well, which is which

Leo Laporte (00:08:25):
A lot of is hard. Yeah. A lot of physics in it, but it's also, I mean he is in many respects the father of modern computing. We often call our computers Von Neumann machines, The Man From the Future by Ananyo Bhattacharya.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:44):
He's computing. And the, I always think of him as the hardware side of computing. That's right. And then Claude, Shannon as computing is in information Science and Computer science.

Leo Laporte (00:08:55):
But Von Neumann also designed the Atom bomb and more particularly the hydrogen bomb. He did a lot of stuff. He was very political. So it's very interesting in, in it's a good story. And and I think about Achar makes a good case for him being kind of like from Mars, <laugh> like so brilliant that he's almost an alien. There was a whole, it was interesting cuz there was a whole group of Hungarians from the twenties who were like brilliant mathematicians. There was this whole Renaissance coming out of Hungary and, and it kind of addresses this a little bit. Why was it the schooling? What was it? The, the culture, cultural environment. Most of them were Jewish. You know, and course a lot of them had to flee because of the AF during world war II. It's very interesting story. That's where Andy Grove came from the one of the founders of mm-hmm <affirmative> Intel CEO. Intel. Yeah. Anyway, can

Jeff Jarvis (00:09:56):
I recommend a few war books since I've had two successes in a row

Leo Laporte (00:09:58):
Here? Yes. Always interesting

Jeff Jarvis (00:10:02):
Trust by Hernan Diaz <laugh> is a novel about what was that Trust by Hernan Diaz ? From the gilded age period and a a story told from four perspectives and the audio book has four narrative. So it's quite

Leo Laporte (00:10:19):
20 days. Yeah. Nice. the Giled age. Fascinating. I find the Giled age. Fascinating. I don't. I do too. I do too.

Jeff Jarvis (00:10:26):
That's why. And, and it's part of the, one of the books I'm working on. So that's why I've been

Leo Laporte (00:10:30):
Researching the the, the early part of the 20th century, particularly in the us and you know, the Rockefellers and the Morgans and the, you know, the

Jeff Jarvis (00:10:40):
AST better than the HBO show

Leo Laporte (00:10:42):
Actually like the HBO show, but you're right. There's more to it, you know, it's basically E Wharton, just read S Wharton, go ahead. What was the other one city

Jeff Jarvis (00:10:49):
On fire by John Winslow? Not my kind of novel normally, but it's really good. It's a crime novel. Oh, I loved on

Speaker 5 (00:10:56):
Windlow. He's

Jeff Jarvis (00:10:57):
So great. Yeah, this, this new one is good sitting on fire. It's amazing. And the audio version is really good at the accents and voices. And I coming from Jersey. I can tell you, even though it's Massachusetts, it's kind of the same thing. <Laugh> <laugh> sentenced by Daniel genius. G E N I S. Guy who was a schmuck and he got sentenced to 10 years in prison and he read a thousand books while he was there. 

Leo Laporte (00:11:22):
10 years, a thousand books. I might skip that. Wait,

Speaker 5 (00:11:25):
Did you read the sentence?

Leo Laporte (00:11:26):
Wow. By Luis Urich, Urich is sentenced the sentence. No I

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:30):
Haven't yet. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:11:31):

Speaker 5 (00:11:32):
Really good.

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:33):
Yet. Newspaper access, the newspaper axis, little more historical here, but it's the, the bad newspaper moguls in the day who were against FDR and I created with award.

Leo Laporte (00:11:45):
I suddenly realized why I have so many books in my wishlist. It's your fault. <Laugh> it's totally your fault.

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:53):
I just candy house. I talked about last week,

Leo Laporte (00:11:56):
Clearly, which

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:57):
Book? Candy house I talked about candy last week

Leo Laporte (00:12:00):
Was very good. I added that one. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:02):
And then I, I just started meet me by the fountain, a history of the mall.

Leo Laporte (00:12:08):
Oh God.

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:09):
I find fascinating.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:10):
Oh, I have that. That's a, I just, that came in from the library for me. I'm really excited about that one. Yes. Cuz I'm a child in the eighties in nineties, it's

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:17):
More academic in the sense that it's, you knows thorough and so on, but it's but it's gonna be an interesting topic.

Leo Laporte (00:12:23):
Wow. Malls are, are malls gone? They're

Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:27):
Yeah. They're now open areas. Shopping kind of S

Leo Laporte (00:12:29):
I mean, there still is the mall of America and stuff. I mean, they, they exist still one in Santa Rosa, so yeah. Well

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:36):
They're still around. Did I tell you my story about

Leo Laporte (00:12:38):
Dying? Almost just

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:39):
Economically. I was almost a partner in a mall in New Jersey.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:45):

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:46):
Guy came to me and he said, I gotta talk to you. I gotta talk to you. I read your book. What will Google do? We gotta find out what Google would do about shopping. And he's a brilliant guy. He used to be president of a major mall company. And he had a whole new concept for malls, which is, which is that it wasn't for fulfillment. It was for marketing. And I was, that's like the biggest story did in New Jersey and politics got in the way

Leo Laporte (00:13:12):
Shocking. Hmm. You're probably better off <laugh>. <Laugh> just thinking

Jeff Jarvis (00:13:19):
This book begins with, with, with the disaster, that, that it is the mall. Cause they made it into a Xou into a standard mall and it's a mess. Yeah. It's gonna go

Leo Laporte (00:13:28):
Bankrupt. But his idea is I, I think not wrong, which is right. We no longer, longer need stores to go get stuff. It's really, they're gonna be more place to get to learn about things. More of a social experience. Really. That's

Jeff Jarvis (00:13:42):
That's, that's rescued best by now.

Leo Laporte (00:13:44):
So you go there and you have a cup of coffee and

Jeff Jarvis (00:13:47):
Talk. No, you don't have a cup of coffee, but you, but, but the, the brands rent space. Yeah, yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:13:51):
People there. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:54):
Yeah, yeah. That was so the beta store pioneered that they asked to actually since shut down because COVID just

Jeff Jarvis (00:14:02):
Killed really? I didn't know that, but

Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:04):
Yeah. Yeah. It was really sad. Like probably four months ago. I wanna say they shut down

Leo Laporte (00:14:10):
February. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:11):
The idea was, oh, there you go. Oh, that was four. Wow.

Leo Laporte (00:14:16):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:18):
That's so yeah, it was really a bummer cuz I really loved going in there and like playing with stuff and seeing all this kind of crazy stuff. But

Jeff Jarvis (00:14:24):
Did you ever buy anything there?

Leo Laporte (00:14:25):
That's the problem

Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:27):
I bought? Well, no, cuz their whole business model was actually predicated on marketing. Like the stuff like the companies would pay to show off their stuff for the real estate. And then they pivoted to like video online video sales during the pandemic, like live video demos. And that didn't do too great. But yes, I did

Jeff Jarvis (00:14:51):
Buy there one more. Are you fans of libraries? Do you like libraries?

Leo Laporte (00:14:55):
I already have that book. Oh,

Jeff Jarvis (00:14:57):
Is it the library by Susan? Orlene no, the library by Andrew, Andrew pedigree and Arthur.

Leo Laporte (00:15:03):
Yes. I ordered it because of you what's it mean? And and ire is my

Ant Pruitt (00:15:08):
Academic hero and yet to read

Leo Laporte (00:15:10):
It, no I've read, I haven't finished it yet to finish it because I had to read something else. But <laugh> termination shock. Yeah. But you know, between you and you Jeff and any Inco, that's my whole wishlist, but the library of fragile history, I do have it and I still have 14 hours and 21 minutes left <laugh> but I really, no I did. I started it and I really liked it. I just, like I said, it's a fascinating, there's too many good books and I, unlike you, I don't have time to, to read as much as you do. Why

Jeff Jarvis (00:15:43):
Go while I'm driving?

Leo Laporte (00:15:44):
Oh and you drive places. Yes. You don't drive places. I miss

Ant Pruitt (00:15:48):
That. That's what gets me is I know you don't have a lot of time yet. You're still able to get all of these books in that just blows my mind. It makes me feel

Leo Laporte (00:15:56):
Audio books for me is the savior because I can listen while I'm doing other stuff.

Ant Pruitt (00:16:00):
That's the thing. I, I do audio books. That's pretty much the only way I can consume books. Yeah. And I'll try to do it while I'm out on the walk or, or doing some chore or shooting or what have you, and still end up not having as much time as you

Leo Laporte (00:16:15):
Should. Well, you shouldn't actually read books. You should listen to podcasts. I, I do a lot of that. I realize we're really shooting ourselves in the foot. In fact, I got an email from, somebody said that too. I haven't heard you show a long time because you introduced me to audible and frankly I don't. And I, I knew that though. I mean, you know, look, I'm not gonna, I listen

Ant Pruitt (00:16:33):
To a lot of podcasts. I usually tweet what I'm listening to to try to help spread the gospel of podcast

Leo Laporte (00:16:40):
We live in. I, I, there can't have ever been a moment in history where there was this much content available at our fingertips. I know there never has been anything like this. No,

Jeff Jarvis (00:16:50):
Absolutely not. Absolutely

Leo Laporte (00:16:51):
Not even

Jeff Jarvis (00:16:51):
Close. You know, I'm working on a project about magazines and, and it occurs to me that, you know, writing used to be something that was a special skill, not forever did writers get paid, but once they started getting paid and became commercial and became companies and so on. And so on that that's going away. Cuz now in a world of abundance, the value of writing is going toward an

Leo Laporte (00:17:14):
Ill. Yeah. Especially when Lambda and G P T three starts writing. <Laugh> they take over. And 

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:22):
Have you played with GT three?

Leo Laporte (00:17:24):
No. Have you?

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:25):
You can. Did you know that it's on the rundown

Leo Laporte (00:17:28):
From open AI? This is one of the the, the artificial intelligence is, and we've been talking about Dolly from open AI, which you have to get on a list to play with, but you can play with G P T three. Now, how do you do that

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:43):

Leo Laporte (00:17:44):
There. Okay. Well

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:44):
Where did I put it?

Leo Laporte (00:17:46):
So beta,

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:46):
I don't know the number for you.

Leo Laporte (00:17:48):
You can can

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:49):

Leo Laporte (00:17:50):
That's alright. I'm just Ort com it's 1 56, 1 57.

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:55):
Thank you. I, there was a TikTok of a guy got G PT three to take, take an S a T test question.

Leo Laporte (00:18:03):
Oh, that's interesting here. Let's watch that. Oh, I don't have audio turned on. Here we go. And I still don't have audio. <Laugh> why? What do yeah, there we go. Okay. Play it. Now

Speaker 6 (00:18:16):
We're gonna find out if an AI can take the S a T in the past year or so you may have heard of a tool called G PT three that's we're gonna use it sounds more complicated than it is. And let me show you why it's not, this is the G P T three open AI,

Leo Laporte (00:18:28):
By the way, ground. This is guy is my mom's vision of what a nerd looks like. I

Jeff Jarvis (00:18:33):

Leo Laporte (00:18:35):
To say, this is, this is it right there. You

Speaker 6 (00:18:38):
Friendly, especially for beginners, as you guys describe what you wanted to do. And it doesn't, which is great because I'm way too lazy to actually code this anyway, taking the S a T means answering questions. So we're gonna find some open eyes, really good at reading. So we're gonna

Leo Laporte (00:18:51):
Give it some reason. This is one of those two minutes, 51 second

Speaker 6 (00:18:55):
Practice guide that the college board put up, and then we're gonna be

Jeff Jarvis (00:18:58):
Summarize it for you about the questions four seconds.

Leo Laporte (00:19:00):
So what happens?

Jeff Jarvis (00:19:02):
He puts in reading comprehension, he gives it two sample test questions to make sure that, that it knows what's supposed to do it. Didn't do the ones in order cuz the first two were a and a is the answer. So he didn't do that. Then he puts in a question and the next questions that gets it. Right. And does it in format?

Leo Laporte (00:19:18):
It does it right.

Jeff Jarvis (00:19:18):
So I went on and played with it.

Leo Laporte (00:19:20):

Jeff Jarvis (00:19:21):
And, and it's. And so I blaze ARA <inaudible> from Google responsible AI team. Yeah. An essay in, in, in the Atlantic. I'm sorry, the Atlantic. Yeah. In the economist last week. So I took his scenario from that and I asked GT three similar questions. 

Leo Laporte (00:19:42):
This is the one also asked it where he did the, the Daisy and the three kids in the playground and all asked that. Exactly. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:19:48):
So I asked, I asked G D three. I said, Jeff talks a lot about moral panic and media coverage of the internet. Stacey always disagrees <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:19:56):
Who's right. <Laugh> and then he answered,

Jeff Jarvis (00:20:00):
Let's say it is no right or wrong answer to this question. It depends on each person's opinion. Which sounds very much like Stacy.

Leo Laporte (00:20:07):
Okay. That's alright. So you can do this at You do have to create an account, which I'm doing right now and then sign on

Jeff Jarvis (00:20:18):
With Google.

Leo Laporte (00:20:25):
Oh yeah. And then you can, what? You can give it prompt and then, and have it. Yeah. And then why wants to know? I'm exploring a personal I'm a journalist. There you go. No, no, no, no. Don't do that. Then

Jeff Jarvis (00:20:34):
They have to then go back, go back, go back. <Laugh> go back.

Leo Laporte (00:20:39):
Go. Oh, Hey, Hey. Oh, you know, oh, exploring this. I'm suddenly not a journalist. I'm exploring personal use who? This is who that was, this journalism. That was a close one. I'm a, now I'm a lying journalist. Thank you very much. All right. Did we just do that on air? That's hysterical. You

Jeff Jarvis (00:20:59):
Say journalism,

Leo Laporte (00:21:01):
You know, they always told me you never, when you're crossing into a country say on your passport that you're a journalist, that's just, you know, you're gonna get arrested, thrown into Gul

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:10):
AI, Silicon valley, which is another

Leo Laporte (00:21:11):
Country. It's a different Gulag, I guess. But it's the same thing. <Laugh> well, that was fun. Probably better than the top story of the week, which is Elon, Elon, Elon. Let's talk about, instead of Elon, we'll get to Elon later, let's talk about VidCon, which is Wednesday information article, right? Yeah. Starts today in beautiful Southern California, Anaheim. Jeff. You're the one that turned me onto VidCon. This is where you discovered the new media is going guns. Great guns created by the greens really for YouTube creators initially it's now really a TikTok

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:50):
Show and sold to Viacom in the meantime too.

Leo Laporte (00:21:53):
Yeah. And I noticed Jim latterback is no longer running. It. He's a consultant. He left in April. Right? Talkers, talkers everywhere. Writes the information.

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:03):
Germs, germs everywhere is my

Leo Laporte (00:22:06):
<Laugh>. Although YouTube's still there and you know although Susan Waki is not they, they sent a couple of other people. Oh wow. The lower down. That's new. Yeah. head of talent development. She's snaps still pat YouTube. Oh yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. She's lost. She's done great. She's longevity. They're thrilled with her. Are you kidding? She's done great. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:28):
Oh yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:22:30):
But it is no longer YouTube's rodeo and there are considerable warnings that the recession is gonna cause a little bit of a shrinkage for creators. And I think that that's probably the case, although they say, you know, it's interesting. The they quoted Ezra Stein who is president of Mr. Beast's talent management company. He says buckle up because tough times are ahead for content creators because

Jeff Jarvis (00:23:03):
The AEs are gonna go down

Leo Laporte (00:23:04):
The line. Yeah. Cuz advertisers are taking longer than usual to ink sponsorship deals. Brands are thinking twice and some are canceling sponsorship deals. And they're pointing out that the recessions, we gonna put a lot of people out of work who will then turn to content creation. <Laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (00:23:21):
How competition.

Leo Laporte (00:23:22):
So there'll be a lot more competition. Some people are gonna try to pursue content creation says Jenny Lou, a partner at early stage fund Mac venture capital. This could be a vital new channel for them to grow a career. So expect a, a little bit of a squeeze in the creator economy going forward. Recession is not good. No, I

Jeff Jarvis (00:23:45):
Have been the rundown. Go ahead Stacy.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:23:48):
Oh, no. I was gonna say, I feel like we dodged a bullet with COVID. So we got a few extra years in there cuz really, I thought like everything was gonna go to hell once the pandemic started two

Leo Laporte (00:23:57):
Years, this is just long COVID that's all <laugh>. This is I'm

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:00):
Like, so, you know, we got a little bit of a break

Leo Laporte (00:24:02):
At it. We, we suffered considerably from COVID initially and it came back around. It started to come back around fourth quarter of last year. But I think that it's, you know with a very high inflation collapsing stock market and recession looming you know, I think that it's probably that it'll get tough again.

Jeff Jarvis (00:24:25):
You know, this drives me nuts these days we've got clear causes for all of that, right? We've we've been through a pandemic. We miraculously did well. Employment is phenomenal. Supply chain is messy for all kinds of reasons, including consumption. And there's a war defending democracy. And rather than talking about the necessary sacrifices we need to make for that. And the, and the blessing we have of having survived so far with a million people lost survived. So I use that with, with caution. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> a pandemic that the economy is still working and so on instead, no it's wine, wine wine, all gas is a little more, it's just driving me nuts. So lack of generosity

Leo Laporte (00:25:09):
World war II, people were, you know, metal drives. They were planning, victory gardens buying war bonds. We had ration books. They knew that this was a sacrifice that this was tough, but, but there was this feeling in the country of, this is what you do. You, you hold together, you hang tight

Jeff Jarvis (00:25:28):
In the 73 oil Embarker, which I covered as a cover reporter. My first big story in the business we had rationing and, and price controls. You could only get $3 worth of gas for a time. There were huge lines. Everything's the gas price was just decided it is now everything's better than then

Leo Laporte (00:25:46):
People, people did people in the gas

Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:48):
Y'all are getting into old, man.

Leo Laporte (00:25:51):
I remember when gas was she telling her gallon? Actually I remember when gas was 33 cents a gallon <laugh> that's how old I am. Holy cow. And you could make a phone call for a nickel. Elon Musk says he wants Twitter to become the WeChat of the Western world. Elon met last week with employees of Twitter, incredibly rude because he called in on his phone. It was, it was just so rude. You better give me my 40 hours in the office. Oh my gosh. That's what you gonna do

Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:31):

Leo Laporte (00:26:33):
Well, he did say it in, he, he phoned it in, he phoned it in and lemme see, like I had an image. This is not the, the image of him on his phone, although <laugh>, that's pretty good. It's kinda like that somewhere, somebody, because I imagine this was a closed meeting, but you know, you have 8,000 employees on it. They're gonna, maybe it was Casey Newton on platform or that had it. But he said, you know, if you're an excellent employee, maybe we can think about you not working on prem. Oh geez. <Laugh> if you're an excellent, if you're an excellent employee, he wants, he has plans to be as big as WeChat, WeChat as a billion, monthly active users, he says Twitter should have a billion, monthly active users don't know exactly how he plans to get those extra 750 million. But that's, that's his goal.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:30):
Yeah. Wechat is in a country with a lot more people too. It's a platform for so many other things. So exactly.

Leo Laporte (00:27:38):
Well, he said that, I mean, he said you live on WeChat in China cause it's so helpful. So useful to daily life. I think if we achieve that or come even close to that with Twitter, it would be a success. So does he, is he gonna add WeChat like features? That would be interesting.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:53):
I don't know if I would pay for things via Twitter or want to buy things on Twitter. I mean, you sort of see that happening. Like you can buy things through TikTok or Instagram and there are people who buy things through Instagram,

Leo Laporte (00:28:09):
Everything, <laugh> everything. I don't even like Instagram anymore. You know, it's become a video platform. They're so, so they're suffering so badly from TikTok envy that they're trying to turn into TikTok and they're just kind of a bad TikTok.

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:25):
Yeah. Be what you are. Don't don't

Leo Laporte (00:28:27):
Try to, it's disappointing to me cause I really liked WeChat. Here's the image of, of how Elon phoned it in he's like what is in a hotel room, somebody behind him, dude, you could have been there. <Laugh> that

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:46):
Justly like he's in the breakfast room at a

Leo Laporte (00:28:48):
Day in and, and the general reaction. Exactly. Probably. Maybe you, that actually is where he is. Wait a minute. He's not

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:54):
In the days in y'all

Leo Laporte (00:28:55):
That guy's getting his egg is

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:57):
Making pancakes in machine. You know, those machines are really neat

Leo Laporte (00:29:00):
Days in, I think you're right. Well, we know he doesn't have a house he's gotta live somewhere.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:29:07):
Oh, he lives in a friend's house in Austin.

Leo Laporte (00:29:09):
Oh <laugh> but I don't own it. So there he says a lot of things, the basic reaction, according to Casey Newton, the BA his platform or sub, is it a sub stack platform? Or I wanna say subst stack his platform or newsletter. Casey who got a lot of inside stuff said that the basic reaction from Twitter employees was that was, was just disjointed and <laugh> and you know, here's the three words he says. If I were make a word cloud of employee responses, some bigger ones would be incoherent, rambling uninspiring. At one point Musk mentioned he has seen no evidence of alien life and no one knew what to make of that. <Laugh> outta, outta nowhere.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:30:07):
That's fair.

Leo Laporte (00:30:09):
I have seen no evidence of alien life just in case you wanna know. I think he's still gonna buy it. I mean, you know, meeting with the staff kind of implies that

Ant Pruitt (00:30:21):
Someone was pushing for the, the, the purchase to go ahead and follow through. Was it a shareholder or?

Leo Laporte (00:30:27):
Well, everybody is Twitter's suing or shareholder suing rather, but I think Twitter's insisting saying no, no, you, you said you were gonna buy it. There's a Le there's legal recourse for them, right? Yeah. 

Stacey Higginbotham (00:30:41):
You break it, you buy

Leo Laporte (00:30:42):
It <laugh> yeah, yeah. <Laugh> yeah. There's the motto right there. Hey, what, what, there's a poem there somewhere, you know, like pretty to ha pretty to look at something to hold, but if you break it, it's sold. There's a poem in there somewhere <laugh> Twitter's losing money, says Elon, and that's not a great situation. Oh analysts think he's gonna cut as much as 20% of the workforce. He, you know, oh, but he didn't, he wouldn't say he's got a

Ant Pruitt (00:31:15):
Lot of debt to pay off of this

Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:16):

Leo Laporte (00:31:17):

Ant Pruitt (00:31:19):
So cut 20% of the workforce yet work them like crazy to add more

Leo Laporte (00:31:24):
Features and grow to a billion grow, quadruple the size. I love Casey doing Casey writes sure about that. Musk offered bong rip platitudes about the future civilization <laugh> quote. I want Twitter to contribute to a better long lasting civilization where we better understand the nature of reality, man.

Ant Pruitt (00:31:49):
Oh, well, I mean, I was gonna ask a minute ago, what is stopping Twitter for, from becoming the next WeChat? I mean, yes, we're, it's here in the us, but if they put these features in and get the masses interest in it, it seems like it could totally take off. Right. But then you said you do a cut 20% of the staff. I don't know about that.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:32:10):
You do a lot in China with QR codes. So you can use WeChat to open and pay for things via QR codes, like everywhere in China.

Leo Laporte (00:32:17):
Mm-Hmm, <affirmative>, it's not hard to imagine how you could add all those features to Twitter. But the challenge is if you do that, will the existing user base stick around, let alone, will you gain 770 million new users? This is the problem. Always with Twitter to adopt you as a standard for transactions. Well, that's true too. You've gotta make the deals. Although Elon, I mean, if anybody could make the deals, it would be Elon. So, I mean really? Yeah. Really?

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:43):
Who would trust Elon?

Leo Laporte (00:32:45):
Well, that's a good point. Apparent

Stacey Higginbotham (00:32:47):
If you had like square, if you had the Jack Dorsey square angle with Twitter, then you could do kind of, you could do something like that. So maybe

Leo Laporte (00:32:55):
Yeah. Cuz as Bo and our chat room points out quite accurately, we WeChat's a payment platform. That's the real, you know, secret that's I mean, apple messages or Facebook messages could, is more likely gonna be a WeChat than Twitter. Twitter's not something you, you know, you have on your keep on your watch or your phone ready at, at any time. Twitter is so in historically Twitter's been slow to add features because there, if you get too complicated, part of the, part of the success, or at least early on in Twitter was it's simplicity, right? Yeah. 180 characters. It was all messages simple. And it's gotten more and more complicated over time. And there's the risk like the like, you know, Instagram I think is, is, is really running that risk by adding all this stuff and crapping itself up instead of being what it is natively Twitter did add a feature today, which is interesting. Twitter notes. Remember Twitter bought a newsletter company. I think just the second in size two subst stack. I can't remember its name now, but review. Yeah. Review R V U E that's right? Yeah. they are good

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:09):
To have somebody young here who has a

Leo Laporte (00:34:10):
Memory. You can remember stuff, Stacy, I like that about you. <Laugh> you can now write or will be it's rolling out to some people initially, eventually to everybody a note, not just a 280 character tweet, but a note which will then a note,

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:29):
They show it on the web interface, not the mobile interface,

Leo Laporte (00:34:31):
Right. They'll have a link on the mobile interface. So this is their way. I think this is actually pretty smart of, of becoming a newsletter platform, right? People are already doing this with tweet threads, which is ridiculous.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:44):
No, cuz we pay to watch ridiculous. We have the option because we, we spend money on Twitter blue to see our tweet threads hide.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:55):
Okay. You're just in that kind of mood today. I

Leo Laporte (00:34:57):
Hear it. No, I'm always, I'm always no, no, no. I'm consistent on this. I've always said if you're gonna write a blog post, write a blog post don't divide it up into 20 separate tweets. That's ridiculous.

Jeff Jarvis (00:35:09):
I an art for you form of its own sort.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:13):
I, I think it's great for like, I love tweet threads for like events. Like if you're at an event and you're like, oh, oh that's different. It's kind of like a more fun

Leo Laporte (00:35:21):
Block. Yes. That's different because you're life blog it. But, but, but why would somebody take a medium post? I also like shop it up and then go one slash two slash three. Yeah. Just put that in medium. That I agree with you on that.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:34):
I do it for little silly stories.

Jeff Jarvis (00:35:37):
Yeah. Right? Yeah. There's suspense. You can build up. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and, and, and, and I can link to, or like just one idea in the thread. I often do that. I often say, oh, this is the essence of, this is what I wanna point out. You can't do that in point.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:51):
It was like, this is your lead right here, baby journalist. <Laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (00:35:57):
A nut nut graph. Nut

Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:59):
Graph. Oh my God. Did we jinx each other?

Leo Laporte (00:36:02):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:36:03):
On nut graph. Oh no.

Jeff Jarvis (00:36:05):
Oh no.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:36:08):
So Jeff and I might be on the same wave lane.

Leo Laporte (00:36:11):
Cranky. Do you think that this will eliminate tweetstorm and threads or no. No. People still do the threads. Cuz you could really do a thread as a, as a note, a Twitter.

Jeff Jarvis (00:36:23):
But you could add a thought later. I mean do it all the time where, you know, sometime later, oh, I found the answer to that or somebody you could

Leo Laporte (00:36:29):
No, that's a

Jeff Jarvis (00:36:30):
Good point. Somebody says that

Leo Laporte (00:36:31):
If your thread is a conversation. Yeah. That's okay. That's a good point. Each, each item in the thread then people can respond to and now you've got a conversation starter and, but that makes it even more, you know, just use

Stacey Higginbotham (00:36:45):
Notes for apologies. That's when you wanna say something like, oh, yesterday I said something on a podcast that wasn't clear or I didn't realize

Leo Laporte (00:36:58):
What do you think of this idea though? This Twitter, right? Idea that it's like a blog basically turns Twitter into a blog kind of right. You could, you could make your blog be on Twitter.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:09):
No, no one's

Jeff Jarvis (00:37:10):
Gonna Dave. Winder's very happy about this. He's been, he says you waiting for this.

Leo Laporte (00:37:15):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:16):
I like that you have so many platforms to communicate on. Like I feel like, like I've got, you know, I am on Twitter a lot. I'm I'm do news letters. I do blog posts. I do threads. And every now and then I write an actual art article for magazine and they're all very different. Like I, I instinctively know which platform to go to for different things. So I feel like, I feel like all of these are useful,

Leo Laporte (00:37:42):
I guess. Yeah. As long as you, and then you you're, you're saying there's a kind of a native, there's a place for each of these. There's a native way of writing to each of them. You wouldn't, you don't do what a lot of people do, which is unfortunate, which is write a blog post and then kind of copy it to 18 other places or write a tweet.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:59):
Copy. No, I can't even copy my blog post to

Leo Laporte (00:38:01):
Like, that was the, that was all the rage for a while. In fact, hoot suite and a bunch of apps were created so that you could write one message and then have it go to everywhere. And I always felt like that was kind of cheating. Right?

Jeff Jarvis (00:38:15):
Well, I cheat <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:38:17):
Do you

Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:17):
Do that? Yeah. I was like, I actually, I use it to publish, like I get everyone. I mean I published something that says Stacy published. I tweet my stories via an automated thing.

Leo Laporte (00:38:27):
Well, yeah, no that's fair. That's a public that's publicity. What I'm saying is you write one message and, and use Hootsuite or something like that to post it to FA there's, you know, fewer platforms now, but post, I mean, probably you a, you do it to Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. Right. But it used to be a lot more places.

Ant Pruitt (00:38:44):
I typically, I will, I will share to Twitter and link Finn depending on what the message is just through one service buffer. And it does it automatically throughout the day. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and like I said, yeah, that's cheating, but it also helps me from a promotional market and standpoint and freeze up about two hours in a day.

Leo Laporte (00:39:07):
Yeah. And that's probably what I don't like about it is it really is just a market is people who use it are marketers. It's gonna be a marketing message basically. Yep.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:39:14):
Well, but some people are on Twitter, just like plenty of people like LinkedIn, especially I would say I check their once a day, maybe just to see what's filtering up in like the people are talking about in my thread. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:39:29):
I want it to be, so I actually think is what I want. I want to be you in your sandwich or whatever. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:39:35):
I mean, it's still authentic. I still wrote something. I'm basically like minor. Just like, Hey, I wrote this thing. It's about this.

Leo Laporte (00:39:42):
Well, and to be honest, I mean, that's the only way I use Twitter. I don't put anything authentic on there, but I, for instance, as an example, I wouldn't, I would say if you post something on mast on, on, you should post something different on Twitter. But most people don't do that by the way.

Ant Pruitt (00:39:57):
Like, no,

Leo Laporte (00:39:59):
To me, that's different audience. It should be a different thing.

Ant Pruitt (00:40:03):
Right? You should write that. And I, I do that. I do that with some of my content too. Some things don't go to LinkedIn that goes to Twitter in my automation process, all contention. I also agree with you with authenticity, cuz there are times where I will directly go to Twitter to post something. Yeah. You know, and not have it all scheduled out because yeah. You, you, there has to be an authentic version of me out there too. Not just the autopilot version,

Leo Laporte (00:40:30):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:40:31):
Oh yeah. I mean I would never like not, I mean y'all, if you follow me on Twitter, you know that I am like, most of my stuff is me and not my content or it's me OIM about weird stuff, like smart pans. <Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (00:40:47):
<Laugh> in case. So,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:40:50):
And Kaso

Ant Pruitt (00:40:51):
Delicious case. So <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:40:57):
Alright. So is, so now are we thinking positively about Elon's interest in Twitter or no, no,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:04):
No, no. We're still not. We're not thinking ly. I mean, if it happens it's gonna happen. I don't think his plans for WeChat, with the WeChat ation of Twitter are going to be, I don't think that's the right way to go necessarily. I also don't know how he could achieve it. 

Leo Laporte (00:41:22):
I think the way Elon works and this is a perfect example is he just says stuff. I don't think he has a, like a plan <laugh> no, no. At the moment that seemed like a good idea. And tomorrow it'll be something else which is part of the problem. If you wanted to turn it into WeChat, you would actually have to do a lot of stuff. He could just a lot say it.

Ant Pruitt (00:41:45):
He won't, but do it again to his credit. He's he's got a history of putting in the right people in the right place at the right time. Sure.

Leo Laporte (00:41:52):

Ant Pruitt (00:41:53):
Although I can't count him out, even though he sounds like he's talking at the side of his neck a lot of times, I, I can't count this guy out.

Leo Laporte (00:41:59):
You did see the open letter from SpaceX employees who said Elon was an embarrassment and distraction and oh right. Yeah. Frequent source of distraction and embarrassment through his public actions. They also said the space flight firm wasn't living up to either it's no asshole mantra or a zero tolerance policy on sexual misconduct. Elon fired I think at least four people. Well he didn't yeah. His head of his CEO at SpaceX fired at least four people for creating the letter. But apparently hundreds of employees signed on to it. Not all of them were fired. So

Ant Pruitt (00:42:45):
Isn't there some sort of labor law regarding retaliation, but I guess it varies from state to state.

Leo Laporte (00:42:51):
No. Yeah. I, you know, there's some question about whether that was legal and we'll see, but and whether it was actually you can't fire people. Right. But if you're just a complaining. Sure. Right. Yeah. I think you probably can. But again, I've seen that question a raised by a number of people. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> who apparently know what they're talking about. The document claims that employees, this, the verge got a hold of it. It was not, I apologize. It was not an open letter. It was a private letter, but I think done on the company

Ant Pruitt (00:43:20):
Slack or something.

Leo Laporte (00:43:22):
Yeah. in the internal chat system, employees are being encouraged to sign onto the letters, suggestions either publicly or honestly the, with the signed version of the letter to be delivered to the desk of SpaceX president, Gwen Shotwell the document claims that employees across the spectra, across the spectra of gender, ethnicity, seniority and technical roles have collaborated on writing the letter. They say it's not known who wrote the letter. The verge says, although I believe there were at least four people fired at probably after the ver wrote this article. This is June 16th. You know, so I think UN it's unfortunate because if Elon just shut up for a little while <laugh>,

Ant Pruitt (00:44:11):
It's impossible. Just a

Leo Laporte (00:44:12):
Smidge, it's a smidge. Sure. We wouldn't be talking about,

Ant Pruitt (00:44:17):
Be a chess master and he will,

Leo Laporte (00:44:18):
He will be a chess master successful, good advice. Be a chess master. If you're Magnus Carlson the champion of the world, you don't go around saying, here's what I'm gonna do in my next game. You just do it.

Ant Pruitt (00:44:33):
You just move the pieces,

Leo Laporte (00:44:34):
Just move the pieces. Microsoft meta and others are founding a metaverse open standards group, apple and Google. Notably not yet members. They will focus on pragmatic action based actions like hackathons

Ant Pruitt (00:44:58):
<Laugh> you couldn't even get through it like <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:45:03):
Hackathons. Well, wow. You're talking and prototyping tools for supporting common standards. They also wanna develop a consistent terminology for the metaverse.

Ant Pruitt (00:45:15):
Well, who wants to trademark?

Leo Laporte (00:45:18):
Right? yeah. Worldwide web consortium is involved. I don't know though. It sounds a little, it doesn't sound like a standards, body kind of thing. If you're saying, well, we just have to agree on the words. It's not like you're saying let's, let's be interoperable, which is really what I would expect. You don't wanna be, oh, you're gonna join a metaverse but you gotta decide which one is it? Is it metas? Is it apples? Is it Googles? Is it Microsofts? Who's metaverse you're gonna be in cuz that's what I thought. The word it's messaging all over again. Right where? Right. You've got these silos, but that doesn't look like that's what they're gonna be working on. Oh, you might be excited about this. Also joining Invidia, Qualcomm, the makers of the chips, the hardware Sony unity, the software used widely by metaverse creations and lamina one, which is a blockchain payment startup co-founded by Neil Stevenson.

Ant Pruitt (00:46:16):
Ugh. Yeah. Yeah. Yay. <Laugh> just, don't have I right about it. This will be waiting forever and ever to get the conclusion

Leo Laporte (00:46:26):
I'm disapp. I'm a little disappointed in Neil. I have to say it'll

Ant Pruitt (00:46:30):
Take, it'll take months to clear up transaction.

Leo Laporte (00:46:33):
Well, the good news is no transactions will ever finish. So you never

Ant Pruitt (00:46:37):

Leo Laporte (00:46:39):
Snow crash author, Neil Stevenson. And by the way, termination shock author, Neil Stevenson is building a free metaverse called lamina one.

Leo Laporte (00:46:48):
He actually was. I think, I think he's one of the main reasons. All these people are, want, wanna make a metaverse cuz snow crash describes such an incredibly interesting metaverse he was really the very first to do it, I think. And and a lot of people were inspired by that. That's great. Yeah. He certainly in crypto county talks about cryptography. So it's not surprising that he might be interested in cryptography. The project describes itself as a free metaverse aimed at helping get artists and other value creators paid properly for their work. So we like that helping the environment it'll be provably, carbon negative. That's one of the big issues people have with cryptocurrency is so how do you, how do you do that? I don't know. And <laugh>, you're asking me, I, I host a podcast. I don't know this stuff <laugh> and, and seeing a truly open metaverse gets built and see, this is exactly what I was talking about. I, instead of seeing the metaverse vision co-opted by monopolies. Okay. So that takes us back to silos then, right? No, it takes us away from silos. A truly open metaverse getting built instead of seeing it co-opted by monopolies instead of having meta apple coop web five. Gotcha. Okay. It's what, okay.

Leo Laporte (00:48:06):
Web five web five. That's the Jack Dorsey. Jack Dorsey. Yeah. I think we show, we tried to show you the PowerPoint, but we, we got hopelessly lost somewhere in the middle.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:48:19):
So this is not Facebook's vision. Well, it like, let's let's think about this, right? If you're gonna do a metaverse there's so many layers, you could be open up. Right? You could have all your hardware work together. You could have like one or two operating systems on which you build things. Do you want to have the same vector kind of models for things? So you could interchange like art from

Leo Laporte (00:48:44):
That would be good

Stacey Higginbotham (00:48:45):
Place to another. Right. So that's us. But then if you think about that,

Leo Laporte (00:48:49):
They don't want that

Stacey Higginbotham (00:48:50):
You make money. Right? Right. So, I mean, in, in somewhere what 10, we used to like build all the way up and it was super cool right. On the web. And then we got kind of too aggressive and built too far down and then we had no interoperability. So I think we'll probably move a little bit kind of in the middle here. And maybe that's what this'll be, but I have my doubts. I think everyone just joined it for

Leo Laporte (00:49:12):
Publicity. The other thing that lamina lamina one Stevenson's thing is saying is a, not merely a kind of a standard format for stuff, by the way, those formats exist. There's, you know, apples, U SD Z there's, which is an open format. There are a lot of formats for 3d objects. So that's not so hard, but payments, they can't be a meta buck and a, and a Google buck and a Microsoft buck. There should be one common payment platform. And that's why he's saying you need blockchain because there needs to be one decentralized way of accounting so that you don't

Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:48):
Need a decentralized payment platform for the metaverse the credit card processor works just

Leo Laporte (00:49:54):
Fine. Well, that's what Cory, Dr. Rose said, isn't it? When he was on Twitter, he said, we we're solving all these things. And we already have solutions for that are perfectly sane and sensible and work. Anyway. you can, if you're interested in lamina one, you can join their discord every time you say that. I think you're saying, hum one, Hey, why don't you? And I start a cryptocurrency called hum. Yeah, it's going to moon to moon. All right. I'm gonna join Lamma. Oh one because why not? There's only 3000 members. So this is get early.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:31):
You've add it to your Mata Don.

Leo Laporte (00:50:32):
You're getting in early. I'll add it to my Mata Don. Let's see. Let's see. So anyway that, you know, I don't know. We'll have to watch and see what this, you know, metaverse open standards group is, is up to the w three C's involved, which is a good sign. That worldwide web sort.

Jeff Jarvis (00:50:50):
Well, so to Stacy's point, if I buy my designer clothes on the Facebook metaverse

Leo Laporte (00:50:55):
Can you wear them? Can

Jeff Jarvis (00:50:56):
I wear them

Leo Laporte (00:50:57):
In the Microsoft?

Jeff Jarvis (00:50:58):

Leo Laporte (00:50:59):
Good question right now, if this is no one knows, cause it's all made up

Jeff Jarvis (00:51:04):
Facebook, Facebook is gonna let that's what people think, quote,

Leo Laporte (00:51:07):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:08):
People think that's a standard, right. But you would have to standardize on so many different, like that's all the way up. Sorry. Application layer, right? Yeah. Like even beyond the normal applications. So like part of this that gets, so it's like marketing, BS is like, oh, we'll create a standard. And they may, but cons the, the tech standard and the consumer understanding of a standard are very different

Leo Laporte (00:51:34):
And also frustratingly. So yeah. Oh yeah. And a standard, especially as like somebody like the worldwide web consortium, w three C who sets the standards for HTML five and all sorts of web standards that we all use. I mean, that's a very complicated technical thing. You want everybody, you want all the stakeholders involved in the conversation. It's not clear to me that this is exactly what they're, they're trying to do by the way. Apple's not a member. As I mentioned, Google's not a member Niantic. I mean it, which is doing, you know, probably the most aggressive right now, AR stuff, Pokemon go and Roblox. The other one is huge. None of them are members. Maybe they'll join. You need

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:12):
Unicode, fashion, Unicode

Leo Laporte (00:52:14):
Luxury. Fashion's what you need. Exactly.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:16):
For the metaverse

Leo Laporte (00:52:17):
Exactly. Ike

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:21):
In here that you can buy now designer fake clothes. This is consumerism gone to its extreme.

Leo Laporte (00:52:28):
Well, are they fake? If Balanga says they're not?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:32):
Yeah. I mean, that's just art. If you think of fashion as art, then they're just doing art in two or 3d for the metaverse. I mean, I,

Leo Laporte (00:52:45):
No, this is gonna it's silly. This is gonna happen today. It happened on second life as you, you, you said the words, Lindon dollars. It happened in second life.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:54):
It happens in Minecraft and what's what's

Leo Laporte (00:52:57):
Fortnite. Absolutely huge. It's billions and billions of dollars. Meta is launching a digital clothing store where you could purchase outfits for your avatar, from designers like saga Prada and Tom brown. They're they're involved.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:13):
Oh, I recognize the Tom brown once. They're

Leo Laporte (00:53:15):
The one with the stripes,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:16):
The edge, the gray one. The, the Stripe, the tailored outfits.

Leo Laporte (00:53:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's Tom brown for sure. That,

Jeff Jarvis (00:53:21):
That looks like somebody who got fired from United airlines and

Leo Laporte (00:53:25):
Look like a story happening.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:27):
Tom Brown's clothes are amazing. Do not mess with it.

Leo Laporte (00:53:30):
Okay. <laugh> yes. Ma'am how do you feel about Balanga?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:34):
I don't like Lanci

Leo Laporte (00:53:35):
No. And then the middle one is Prada. It looks like I like Prada. Tennis don't fit me. We're going to play tennis old for PR champion or Russell on there. No, not yet, but you know, I <laugh> can imagine there will Nike. I'm sure there will. They're holding out, you know, they're waiting to see who the big metaverse is and they want go with the, yeah, of course. They wanna go with the winner. Yeah. Blue Ray versus HD, D V D Tom brown. I, I was very tempted by the Tom brown Samsung watch and Samsung ultra and S 22 ultra and all that. They do the Tom brown versions of their stuff. Well, he likes the stripes and apparently feels that men need to wear bikini tops.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:24):

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:24):
The nipple it's a man's ear.

Leo Laporte (00:54:27):
Is that, why is this like to say, do you

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:29):
Remember that from Seinfeld?

Leo Laporte (00:54:30):
Yeah. The man's ear. I don't think I'm just looking at this guy. I don't think he needs a man's ear. No, he

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:36):
Doesn't. Well, but you know,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:37):
Tell you it's it's about not showing the nipples

Leo Laporte (00:54:39):
Nipples he's got nipples. Yeah. No, but wait a minute. There's his nipples in the picture right above. He took off his man's ear. So, well

Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:48):
See in this one, no, one's wearing a top.

Leo Laporte (00:54:51):
That's very confusing in the swimwear. His is hers and hers is his. They say that's yeah. Yeah. That's not very modern. I don't see it's there's no. Is there no color at all in this stuff?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:06):
No, he, his last show was awesome. It was like a toy story. Theme show. It was gray, red, mostly reds and grays. Some blues. It was very cool.

Leo Laporte (00:55:15):
Yeah. A lot of

Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:16):
Tom brown is

Leo Laporte (00:55:17):
Yeah. He's yeah, no, I kind of like it. It's a little pricey <laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:25):
Oh yeah. He's he's he's a fancy designer. Fancy

Leo Laporte (00:55:28):
Like a, the good stuff usually is I think you should get these shower sandals ant for $650. <Laugh> what, what, how about this? T-Shirt $420. Got a strip. You don't

Stacey Higginbotham (00:55:43):
Buy Tom brown. T-Shirts you buy the suits or the dresses?

Leo Laporte (00:55:47):
Oh yeah. Let's get this suit. That's nice. I like that. The suits that I always wanting to wear shorts with a suit. You look like Angus, you look like AC DC. What the hell? Okay. I'm sorry.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:56:01):
Y'all are y'all are just

Leo Laporte (00:56:03):
We're that's your crew's wear. Oh, you're right. I need to get that for the cruise. The cruise

Jeff Jarvis (00:56:14):
For the captain's dinner.

Leo Laporte (00:56:16):
Oh, I would wear shorts to the captain's dinner and he'd say, well, you can't wear shorts in here. I'd say, but this is Tom brown.

Ant Pruitt (00:56:24):
No, they probably say, can you take table 20? I give up their caviar.

Jeff Jarvis (00:56:28):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:56:29):
Okay. Do you remember Oscar Isaac's outfit at the met gala?

Leo Laporte (00:56:32):
I, that was Tom brown. Wild

Stacey Higginbotham (00:56:35):
Lizzo wore Tom brown,

Leo Laporte (00:56:37):
Lizzo, Lord Tom brown. Then I, then I'm all over Tom brown. I am a Tom brown guy now on all stripes everywhere.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:56:46):
It's nevermind.

Jeff Jarvis (00:56:48):
<Laugh> course. Lucy she, she gives up Philistine, fashion, Philistine.

Leo Laporte (00:56:52):
We are, we are fashion Philistine. Oh man. I, I actually love Lizzo. Could see her

Ant Pruitt (00:56:57):
Give up right

Leo Laporte (00:56:58):
There. Here's Liz, O's Tom brown outfit and she, and in, in she actually played the flute, like four notes. That is beautiful. Look at that. Tom brown just took that off the bed, wrapped it around her and said, there we go. You're on your way. Oh

Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:13):
My gosh. It's pretty. I'm done. I'm done.

Jeff Jarvis (00:57:15):
I am done. And you could use it as a drapery afterwards. It'll be very nice.

Leo Laporte (00:57:21):
Here's Christine Bransky and Tom brown also at the met gala.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:26):
Look at that cloak. Look at how clean those lines are. It

Leo Laporte (00:57:30):
Is beautiful. It's yeah. It's classic. It's elegant.

Jeff Jarvis (00:57:35):
Yes, it is.

Leo Laporte (00:57:35):
It's used Stacy

Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:36):
And it's, it's very, it's it, it tends more masculine and I just, I like it. It's clean. It's nice. If I'm gonna buy like an investment piece. That's

Leo Laporte (00:57:46):
That? I he's a yay. AB I second in his Tom brown. It looks like little bees on his jacket. That's cute. And he's also got tails. Look at that tails. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fancy

Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:59):

Leo Laporte (00:58:00):
Mac Williams in her Tom outfit.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:58:05):
So yeah. Okay. See,

Leo Laporte (00:58:07):
See, oh, look at that. Oscar, Oscar, Isaac wearing his skirt. That

Jeff Jarvis (00:58:12):
Is your

Leo Laporte (00:58:13):
Look, Leo that's me. I'm going to the captain's dinner like that. <Laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (00:58:18):
I am worried a skirt.

Leo Laporte (00:58:20):
He is a brave, brave gentleman. He really is. Okay.

Ant Pruitt (00:58:23):
I have no problem with kilts.

Leo Laporte (00:58:26):
Is it a kilt though? Or? I think it's more like a minikit

Jeff Jarvis (00:58:30):
It's well, that's a middy. It's

Leo Laporte (00:58:31):
A middy. M I D I,

Jeff Jarvis (00:58:34):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:58:35):
Okay. We are not this fashion. Thank God,

Jeff Jarvis (00:58:39):

Ant Pruitt (00:58:40):
Aren't you grateful

Jeff Jarvis (00:58:43):
Be near us right now. Little rub off on her. I don't want any of this on me. Says Stacy.

Leo Laporte (00:58:49):
I'm like, look at this. No one Jordan Roth's Tom brown creation.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:58:54):
Okay. So that looked a lot like his, his Coutour show from

Leo Laporte (00:58:57):
Look at that. Was it, is that a hat? Yeah. Is that a giant hat?

Jeff Jarvis (00:59:01):
<Laugh> that's

Leo Laporte (00:59:02):
Hysterical. Yeah. No, it's funny. I love it. High fashion is, is interesting.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:08):
It it's

Leo Laporte (00:59:08):
Art. It's art. It is art's art. It is art. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:13):
All right. Moving right along. Let us,

Leo Laporte (00:59:17):
This is fun. Travis Barker,

Ant Pruitt (00:59:19):
Wait, gimme some Halston or

Leo Laporte (00:59:21):
Elsa par. Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:23):
I had ELs. I had ELs it's

Leo Laporte (00:59:24):
Like Fred Gwen from the Munsters on the left there. Who is that? <Laugh> I just like it. That he's got tattooed hair. <Laugh> the only problem with tattooed hair is you have to keep shaving your real hair in order to see it. On the other hand, if you decided you didn't like it, you just grow your rear eye. I see. And I wouldn't know that you've got a tattooed head of hair.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:46):
It's not a problem for long.

Leo Laporte (00:59:48):
That is a very look. It's a look. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, that was the fashion segment of this week in Google. Let's take a little break. <Laugh> love it. I love it. I think it's fascinating tomatoes at they're speakers right now. I know, but I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:07):
Know they're like fast. How long are they gonna be talking about this

Leo Laporte (01:00:09):
Fashion? Well, it's also how did very visual and I apologize to our audio list, but you can imagine. Yeah. How,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:16):
How did we get on Tom? Oh, cuz the meta or meta. Oh, we went from meta to met

Leo Laporte (01:00:22):
Meta to the met.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:23):

Leo Laporte (01:00:26):
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Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:26):
Hide every scalable platform yeah. To people.

Leo Laporte (01:04:30):
Do you, do you remember? I certainly do back in the 19 hundreds when the phone company said, if it keeps up, we're gonna have to hire every woman in the world to work as operators <laugh>. Cause at the time it was a manual process, right? Yeah. And you know, number please. And you had the person had a patch bay and they would connect the two numbers and you could talk, but that was not scalable. Eventually they came up with automated switching equipment and eventually we went digital and solved it entirely. So there are well Amazon,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:00):
Oh, today they did launch their first autonomous robot.

Leo Laporte (01:05:04):
There you go for the warehouse. What do you think in the rescue? There's the answer? So in this report, which was leaked recently, but was written in mid 20, 21, they talked about six levers. Amazon could pull to, to, to delay the labor crisis by a few years, raising wages was one of them. Oh, what a thought

Ant Pruitt (01:05:25):
<Laugh> imagine

Leo Laporte (01:05:26):
That, imagine that they did. I mean, you

Jeff Jarvis (01:05:29):
Could argue that Amazon is a major factor in inflation because a wage inflation, because they raised their, their salaries to $15 and it forced others to do so too,

Leo Laporte (01:05:38):
But $15 trickle down so low.

Jeff Jarvis (01:05:41):
I know. I know. So, but imagine what it was

Leo Laporte (01:05:43):
Before. Yeah. Apple raised their 7 25 starting wage at the apple stores from 20 to $22. And that was to discourage unionization. But the first apple store was unionized this week in thousand. Maryland's,

Ant Pruitt (01:05:54):

Leo Laporte (01:05:55):
It's happening. Yeah. The other way, one of the other levers increasing warehouse automation. So there you go, Stacy. That's why the robots, of course, it's a lot better to build robots than to pay people more money <laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:09):

Ant Pruitt (01:06:11):
It depends on you're paying people to

Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:13):
Build your robots.

Leo Laporte (01:06:16):
Internal models you're showed that the company was expected to exhaust its entire available labor pool in the Phoenix area. By the end of 2021 in the inland empire region of California, by the end of 2022, there must have done something to fix that. Amazing. Right? That's yeah. That's scale. I'm not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, but wow.

Ant Pruitt (01:06:48):
And when was this? This

Leo Laporte (01:06:49):
Document was written in 2021, but Recode just got it. So that's why we're talking about it today.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:58):
We just found out it's news to

Leo Laporte (01:06:59):
Us news to not to us. Not apparently to Jeff Bezos though. You knew all along, you know

Ant Pruitt (01:07:09):
I haven't heard anything about that news, Amazon CEO, I guess things are just slim. Andrew

Leo Laporte (01:07:14):
Jazzy. Andy glassy.

Ant Pruitt (01:07:17):
Jazzy. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:07:19):
<Laugh> oh yeah. That's his Sarah that's glassy. His name is must be doing

Ant Pruitt (01:07:23):

Leo Laporte (01:07:24):
Wow. You think so? Right? He did immediately change some things, right. Start to be a little bit less of a scary corporate culture. I've heard. I don't know.

Ant Pruitt (01:07:36):
Oh, that's right. Yeah. Being a little bit more friendly to the warehouse folks, if you will.

Leo Laporte (01:07:42):
Yeah. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (01:07:43):
Not necessarily.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:44):
Do they get air conditioning? What about actual pee breaks? Anything? Anything, are they still managed by automated systems?

Leo Laporte (01:07:53):
Yeah. I just saw a story that you can actually be fired without any human intervention at all. <Laugh> based on metrics based on, you know, production, productivity and stuff.

Ant Pruitt (01:08:06):
I thought that was last.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:07):
I mean, you could be fired it.

Ant Pruitt (01:08:08):
Oh boy.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:09):
Yeah. That was last year.

Ant Pruitt (01:08:10):
That's that going on?

Leo Laporte (01:08:12):
Well, how come I just saw it, man? I think I saw it on Twitter.

Jeff Jarvis (01:08:17):
Oh boy.

Ant Pruitt (01:08:21):
But again,

Leo Laporte (01:08:22):
The media companies

Jeff Jarvis (01:08:23):
Out, if you don't get enough clicks you're out.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:26):
Yeah. I mean,

Leo Laporte (01:08:27):
Yeah, but you're not out fired by a machine still. There is some human intervention

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:32):

Leo Laporte (01:08:33):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:34):
That's that's been around for,

Leo Laporte (01:08:35):
I guess it doesn't really matter enough

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:37):
Burgers. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> yes. So your boss that doesn't care about you tells you, I mean, yay.

Jeff Jarvis (01:08:44):
GE Jack Welch. Supposedly the brilliant CEO. Yeah. Screwed up the company, you know, every, every year you fire the bottom 10%, something like that.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:53):

Leo Laporte (01:08:55):
And you're right. These are all FRA guy. We actually, the first story about this was from April, 2019. So nevermind. I don't know. Maybe I just noticed it recently here

Ant Pruitt (01:09:05):
In Twitter, there was coverage is a little outta wax

Leo Laporte (01:09:07):
There. Yeah, that's right. I, we even, I even covered the story. I should know. We even talked about it. This show,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:17):
This is like the 600 and something episode of this show. So you're forgiven for not remembering everything. We

Leo Laporte (01:09:24):
Talk about everything everything's new under the sun. You

Ant Pruitt (01:09:30):
Just gotta be on Twitter more so it can serve you, you know, things

Leo Laporte (01:09:34):
That are fresher stuff. Well, that is one thing I don't like about Twitter. And I is that there's the algorithmic feed. You get stuff. That's a day old. It really bothers me. Yeah. I always switch it to latest whenever I

Jeff Jarvis (01:09:46):
See. I, because it tells me who I missed.

Leo Laporte (01:09:48):
Well, and that's the other side of it. And so sometimes I do wanna see that you're right. Because it's people I care about generally. Right?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:56):
You should create identical accounts, different names, but following the same people and then just

Leo Laporte (01:10:02):
Wait, you can go back

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:03):
Algorithm making one

Leo Laporte (01:10:04):
Timeline. Yeah. You can go back and and forth. No, no. Is that too much trouble?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:08):
I'm just saying, if you, if you don't want to, if that's too much trouble for you, separate accounts,

Jeff Jarvis (01:10:15):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:16):
A lot. Oh, you know what? I'm excited about a story on here.

Leo Laporte (01:10:19):
Where did it go? Oh, before you do that, let me do an ad. Okay. So we can all prepare ourselves for Stacy's excitement. Wait,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:25):
We, we literally okay.

Leo Laporte (01:10:27):
You feel like we just did an ad

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:29):
Didn't we just do an ad. Did I just blink and miss an ad?

Leo Laporte (01:10:33):
Oh, let me go check. Cuz I'm not supposed to do him too close together. Yeah. We, I did it 10 minutes ago. You're right. <Laugh> nevermind.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:40):
<Laugh> I'm like, oh my God. I'm losing time.

Leo Laporte (01:10:43):

Jeff Jarvis (01:10:45):
Terrible. Still. Hold on. Is that the tease? Find out what excites

Leo Laporte (01:10:47):
Stacy. No, because I, I can't do ads that close together. They get angry, angry ads. So go ahead, Stacy. What are you about?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:57):
I, okay, now, now I've lost what I was saying.

Leo Laporte (01:11:01):
People wanna shoot down Android. Amazon drones.

Jeff Jarvis (01:11:05):
Is that it?

Leo Laporte (01:11:06):
No, Lockford California's gonna be the first to get drone delivery. Some locals <laugh> say not mountain Montana. I'm all shooting down.

Jeff Jarvis (01:11:16):
I read a 1909 New York times story today that said that farmers were shooting Ottowa and one actually fired at it. Ever us

Leo Laporte (01:11:25):
Farmers were shooting. What? Shooting? Ottowa. What?

Jeff Jarvis (01:11:28):

Leo Laporte (01:11:28):
What's in OTs.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:11:29):
This is from 1909. You think your total feet old?

Leo Laporte (01:11:32):
Jeff is drivers an 82 year old woman who lives directly across the street from the under construction drone facility. Amazon's building in Lockford. She lives there with her dog, horse, two ponies and a small herd of goats. No, no, this is not a New York times story. It's the Washington post said no one had mentioned Amazon's plans to her. The same went for two brothers, basically converting the neighborhood winery. They recently purchased into a marijuana farm.

Jeff Jarvis (01:12:01):

Leo Laporte (01:12:02):
A man at a local archery shop. That'll help commented jokingly target practice. When he found out we have our headline, they're gonna shoot at it. Nope, that's it? Yeah. That was the, that was the headline for what?

Jeff Jarvis (01:12:17):
Sensational anti

Leo Laporte (01:12:20):
Practice. They're not gonna shoot at some guy at an archery shop. Jokingly said target practice. Suddenly locals wanna shoot them.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:12:29):
What, what if you shoot somewhere? Surprise. Have we figured out what? Airspace above people's home. Like

Leo Laporte (01:12:35):
You cannot shoot down a drone anymore than you could shoot down an airplane. I don't care whose airspace it is. The drones are big though. It could be easy to hit six and a half feet wide, four feet tall.

Jeff Jarvis (01:12:44):

Leo Laporte (01:12:45):
They're supposed to drop the packages on a predetermined spot.

Jeff Jarvis (01:12:49):
Noisy. It's

Leo Laporte (01:12:49):
Gonna be from four feet. So don't order a TV with it.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:12:54):

Leo Laporte (01:12:56):
Oh, wait a minute. They don't. They don't even have, they don't even have permits from San Joaquin county yet. And they don't have sign up from the federal aviation administration. Oh, wait a minute. Here's somebody, what? Here's somebody who's gonna shoot it down. They're invading our privacy says Tom, Blaton a cement contractor who doesn't even live in Lockford he once threatened to shoot down a neighbor's drone. <Laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:25):
I hate my business. God, I hate

Leo Laporte (01:13:26):
Them. He's worried about Amazon cameras seeing into his backyard. But anyway, he should do

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:34):
With there, Tom, you shouldn't be, doing's not worried about the person hiding in the back

Leo Laporte (01:13:37):
Back woods. Anyway. I'm not an Amazon guy. I think they're gonna wreck everything. Amazon is cooperating with local authorities. However, I'm still looking for somebody. Who's gonna actually shoot them down. Is she gonna shoot 'em down? She looks like she

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:53):
Telling you the guy in 1909 did actually

Leo Laporte (01:13:55):
Shoot. He shoot an NIST.

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:57):
Yes. He shot an NIST.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:13:58):
Yeah. I mean someone, someone has shot drones down before and that's a thing. Okay. I found out what I was. I remembered what I was so excited about when we're done talking about shooting things.

Leo Laporte (01:14:08):
How much longer do I have to do this story before Stacy forgets again? That might be a, a worthy, oh, that's subject for your wagers. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (01:14:16):
Challenge accepting

Leo Laporte (01:14:18):
Former flight assistant Che skis.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:21):
<Laugh> so

Leo Laporte (01:14:23):
Meche, skeet. See if your name is Skee, you don't wanna talk about things being shut down. Former flight assistant Che ski has spoken out publicly about his safety concerns regarding prime air. No one has so far though, in this article, this entire article actually proposed some guy once shot his neighbor's drone. Another guy says it'd be good for archery practice. Some Lockford residents said it could make sense for them. I've got a lot of room. Why not? At Tracy Clark, a local Amazon customer.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:00):
Like she wants to buy more stuff. Cuz she has a place to put it.

Ant Pruitt (01:15:04):
That makes no sense. George car got a lot of room.

Leo Laporte (01:15:07):
<Laugh> what did it stop? I need a place for my stuff.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:11):
Or is she thinking like she has a lot of room for it to land? What is

Ant Pruitt (01:15:16):
Maybe I think it's landing.

Leo Laporte (01:15:18):
We got a lot of room. It's not gonna land. It drops it from four feet. You don't have to have anywhere for it to land.

Ant Pruitt (01:15:24):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:26):
Oh, but you have to have, I mean, if it's six, you have to have a clear spot. That's like six or seven feet wide across. If it's six and a half feet,

Leo Laporte (01:15:33):
Here's one person Nadine cost her. She says that drone will frighten the animals.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:39):
So that's a lot of people are legitly

Leo Laporte (01:15:41):
Concerned about. Yeah. And this is a very rural area with lots of animals. Lot of ranches. Amazon's says the company's work to reduce noise and we'll work hard to minimize any potential disruption. Lockford resident joy, Huffman earlier pictured said her daughters O order so much from Amazon that she gets a package delivered almost every day. It's rain,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:04):

Ant Pruitt (01:16:05):
And again, these, these fine folks need to understand it. Everything is not gonna come on a dadgum drone. You can

Leo Laporte (01:16:13):
Or oh yeah. No on it's very limited. Yeah. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (01:16:15):
But everything is not coming from a drone. It's not someone should educate them.

Leo Laporte (01:16:21):
Okay. So in this entire article, Carolyn O'Donovan who is mad because she was actually probably sent to Lockeford to collect these quotes. <Laugh> no one has said no one said they wanna shoot him down. Not one, one jokingly, one, one Archer said, jokingly, it'd be good. Target practice. Another guy who doesn't even live in Lockford said I shot a neighbor's drone once and that's it. Yeah. I thought, you know what? I don't know, editors. That's not. She was sent poor woman was sent all the way to San Joaquin valley to Lockford to wander around the town. Look, here's a store selling psychic crystals. She was wandering around trying, trying to find somebody who'd say anything like they'd shoot it down. And I obviously she didn't write the headline. Right. Jeff, somebody else writes the headline. Right.

Ant Pruitt (01:17:17):
But even

Leo Laporte (01:17:17):

Jeff Jarvis (01:17:17):
She probably saw it and said, Hey, my story didn't say that you shouldn't do that. But no

Ant Pruitt (01:17:22):
She's well, she probably didn't have any pool either.

Leo Laporte (01:17:25):
Maybe they mean metaphorically. They want to shoot him down. They wanna shut the idea down. No, it says some locals want to shoot. <Laugh> all right. I don't know. Don't shoot drones

Ant Pruitt (01:17:38):
In America.

Leo Laporte (01:17:39):
Don't shoot drones. You know what you could do though? You could set up a net like a giant net with what lead weights on it and capture it that'd be a mini or an EMMP. That was the best part of that book. By the way, termination shock was the little mini EMP. That was clever. Wasn't a nuclear explosion. It was collected the harvested energy from its dissent into the atmosphere, through the atmosphere.

Ant Pruitt (01:18:05):
Haven't finished it yet, but I'll take your word for it.

Leo Laporte (01:18:09):
Yeah. You know what? You don't have to finish it now. It's okay. You don't, you really don't. I know. I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:15):
Really don't think you're gonna get the value out of it that you think you

Leo Laporte (01:18:18):
Are. So of all the

Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:19):
People I'll reimburse you.

Leo Laporte (01:18:21):
Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. I forgot. And maybe she did too. What? I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:25):
Had a story that I wanted

Leo Laporte (01:18:26):
To talk about the story. Yeah. What are you excited about?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:30):
I'm excited. And I think you will be too the NPR smart audio report came out. So every year NPR teams up with Edison research to talk to people who own smart speakers and people who don't. And I thought the most interesting bit of this report, which I should put in the rundown for you.

Leo Laporte (01:18:50):
No, I can. I can Google it. That's all right. I'll find it. Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:53):
That's true. Google that

Leo Laporte (01:18:54):
The smart audio report here, it is

Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:57):
About my favorite thing to talk about, which we don't talk about enough is Amazon and Google devices talking back. So there's, there's a lot in here, like ownership and blah, blah, blah. But it, I don't know about y'all, but I get a lot of like pushback from Alexa lately. And it's like, by the I'll be like, what's the weather and it'll tell me the weather. And it's like, by the way, such and such, you know, toilet paper is 50% off. Would you like to add it to your shopping list? And I'm like, I hate you go away. And I hate it. And it turns out that there are people who don't mind that <laugh> and I, that was

Ant Pruitt (01:19:36):
The most, but wasn't that the whole plan of Madam a and Amazon was to be able to give you that one little extra in to make you hit by now our add to heart.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:49):
No, it was supposed to be a voice interface for, for doing things. It was just a new computing part. I mean, I

Ant Pruitt (01:19:54):
Figured I'm sorry. I just,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:56):

Ant Pruitt (01:19:56):
Figured that they would, cause that was the first thing that came to my mind years ago when I saw that it was Amazon, you know?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:02):
Well, I don't, I don't think people like listening to they're smart speaker that way. Cuz you're trying to do something quickly in stopping that process with an ad seems really rude. But when smart speakers were offering, like when they offered you more information than you requested, 40% of people were not bothered at all 42% were bothered a little when it recommended a feature without your prompting, like, Hey, by the way, if you'd like to learn about your commute, you can ask me blah, blah, blah. It, that didn't bother 39% of people at all. And it only bothered 37%, a little. And suggesting you purchased something without your prompting, 33% of people were bothered a

Leo Laporte (01:20:53):
Lot by, yeah, I don't want then telling me to buy stuff.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:57):
But 40% of people were like, eh, it's not so bad. It only

Ant Pruitt (01:21:01):
Bothered. You're saying what you said 33% were, were bothered that it was suggesting the shopping just 33%,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:21:09):
Just 33, only a third of people were pissed. When it suggested that you purchased something without their prompting,

Ant Pruitt (01:21:17):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:21:17):
You? I was like, that should be like two thirds.

Ant Pruitt (01:21:19):
Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:21:20):
I hate it. Like you're like, like this happens to us like once a week I'll be like Madame, a set an alarm for seven in the morning and it's like alarm set for 7:00 PM or 7:00 AM tomorrow. Would you did

Leo Laporte (01:21:34):
You know way I could do something else that you don't want me to do? <Laugh> I hate that. And I swear at it every single time that probably doesn't help. I don't, I don't chatty chatty Cathy on my speaker. I this does it bother you that the, this is from NPR and they spent so much time talking about advertising on smart speakers. <Laugh> a significant portion of this was about advertising.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:00):
No, only like, I mean a significant, I thought this report was actually hilarious cuz it really shows how stagnant the speaker market is. And then it had these hilarious how it started, how it's going memes in there that

Leo Laporte (01:22:14):
It's not that stagnant. I mean it's growing a 35% of, of Americans own a smart speaker. That's pretty good.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:21):
Yeah. But if you look at the increase, so in, in part of this is, you know, increasing from a small number, but in 2017 to 2018 they saw 13% increase. 2018 to 19 was 16, 19 to 20 was 29%.

Leo Laporte (01:22:36):
That's I have that graph here. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:37):
Yeah. And then, but in the last year, 21 to 22, it was suddenly a 9%. So we've we've stopped increasing

Leo Laporte (01:22:44):
Itself. Growth is slowing. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (01:22:46):
Yeah. But what doesn't that make sense considering is not like a smartphone, which even with smartphones people, aren't buying those as often because they send, they tend to last up to a certain extent with the speaker. How often do you expect to buy new speakers that that are assistant capable? Cuz they're just,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:23:07):
Yeah. I think a lot of the growth happened early on is people tested one, they bought one and tested and then they were like, okay, I'll put

Leo Laporte (01:23:13):
Three of these. That's interesting.

Ant Pruitt (01:23:15):
Four or four. Yeah. I'll buy some more.

Leo Laporte (01:23:16):
And I, I guess this is one of the things you're laughing at. The reasons people got a smart speaker in 2017 are identical to the reasons they got it in 2022 that has not changed. Number one, listen to music. Number two, ask questions without needing to type number three. Seems like a fun new gadget.

Jeff Jarvis (01:23:33):
How often in a day do each of you use your smart

Leo Laporte (01:23:36):
Speaker every day? Wow. Many times every day

Stacey Higginbotham (01:23:40):
They actually have a sta here and I'm

Ant Pruitt (01:23:44):
I don't own one. What if I wanted to use that type of capability? I use the pixel.

Leo Laporte (01:23:50):
Yeah, but you don't have a Madame a device or a Google.

Ant Pruitt (01:23:54):
No sir.

Leo Laporte (01:23:55):
I have

Ant Pruitt (01:23:56):
Wait a minute. They sent one of them, little freebie things and I think the hard has hardhead has it somewhere, but I don't use it.

Leo Laporte (01:24:04):
And did you know that 86% of Americans agree? Smart speakers allow for a more convenient living experience. <Laugh> did you know that

Ant Pruitt (01:24:11):
<Laugh> 86%.

Leo Laporte (01:24:15):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:16):
Actually there's so if you don't have one, why don't you have one

Leo Laporte (01:24:21):
And what did they say?

Ant Pruitt (01:24:23):
I never really never just sought a need

Leo Laporte (01:24:26):
For it. Oh, you're not worried about privacy then it's not a privacy issue.

Ant Pruitt (01:24:30):
Okay. No, it's not a privacy, but according to this for me, because I have a Daum smartphone. I know that.

Leo Laporte (01:24:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They listen to,

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:36):
I have it and I never ever, ever use it. It's the most expensive clock.

Leo Laporte (01:24:40):
Oh, I use it. I use it first thing in the morning. I say, Hey, what time is it? And then, and then I say, oh crap, I gotta get going. What's the weather gonna be like? And then I go in the bathroom and I say

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:56):
A minute, a long time ago called her watch.

Ant Pruitt (01:24:58):

Leo Laporte (01:24:58):
I don't wear a watch in bed. And I don't ask my wife because she'll say it's seven ish. So I wanna know. So, so, so I, so it tells me, look, it's the best thing you could just say, Hey, you know who, what time is it? And by the way I have Amazon, I have Google. I have Siri in my bedroom right next to my bed. I have all of them everywhere in the house so I can choose

Ant Pruitt (01:25:23):
Your thought. Today was Tuesday.

Leo Laporte (01:25:25):
Well that you know, but other than that that's cuz nobody was here for me to ask. I, I, I get in the bathroom. I play music or I do my vocal warmups. I say, Hey, go play the 10 minute vocal warmup. Wait, wait,

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:38):
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, we gotta hear you do vocal warmups. I need to hear this.

Ant Pruitt (01:25:44):

Leo Laporte (01:25:45):
Why would you want to hear that?

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:46):
Oh, I want hear this. I definitely wanna hear this. It's

Ant Pruitt (01:25:48):
A nugget.

Leo Laporte (01:25:49):
Okay. I'll play.

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:50):
Be my ring tone.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:25:52):

Leo Laporte (01:25:55):
My okay. I'm gonna I'll this is the one I do. And this is what I, and the Google speaker will play it for me out of here. Ready? We are starting with the hump <laugh> but then my favorite. Oh my favorite is mommy made me match. My met M and Ms. Mommy made me match my M and Ms. Mommy made me match. My M and Ms made me match my M so I'm so sorry. Mommy made me match. My m&m mommy made me match my, I do it every day, except Monday, because Sunday I do so much talking mom, but the best one mm-hmm <affirmative> there's one that you go, they go and now go, go, go, go, Google, go, go. Cool, go, go Google. Anyway. That's my 10. Okay. So that's planned through my Google speaker. Oh. And the report house is just like, huh? It's Tuesday. You know, I don't feel so bad about Lisa or Michael cuz they kind of know, but I do feel bad for my neighbors cuz the windows wind up. <Laugh> mommy. They might think, I think they probably think they'll live next door to an opera singer is what I think. And I

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:23):
Had a neighbor in my name.

Leo Laporte (01:27:24):
That's what you hope. They think

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:26):
Who did nothing but play the scales of the piano. Nothing never

Leo Laporte (01:27:30):
Attuned, but they're good at the scales. Only

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:33):

Leo Laporte (01:27:33):
Scales mommy made me watch my M and MSS Mo mash. I can't do it without the guy. Th say mommy made me match my M and MSS. Sorry. How confused

Jeff Jarvis (01:27:47):
Does that video

Leo Laporte (01:27:47):
Have? Oh, a lot. There's but by the way, this is not the only one on, on YouTube. There's dozens of these. This one has 5 million, 572,000 views. But remember there's only about a hundred people using it. They just use it every day, but there's all sorts of them.

Jeff Jarvis (01:28:06):
Are you gonna do this on the cruise?

Leo Laporte (01:28:08):
I have to do it every day. My vocal coach told me to do it every day.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:14):
Is this so you sing better or is this for talking?

Leo Laporte (01:28:16):
It's for talking. Okay. You know, I use my voice. I talk every day.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:19):
I don't, I don't know how to use any part of. I was actually going to like try singing.

Leo Laporte (01:28:25):
I'll be, I'll be honest with you. I never did for 54, almost 50 years as a broadcaster. I never did, but I was starting to worry that I didn't wanna sound like Jeff as I age. So I was starting to, Hey, no, I didn't. I was afraid I wanna keep doing this. Right. I don't want, I don't want my voice to deteriorate. And I was starting to worry that maybe it would, I don't smoke. I don't do a lot of the things. What do

Jeff Jarvis (01:28:53):
You sound like Larry Kinger or something?

Leo Laporte (01:28:54):
What, what do you mean? I don't wanna sound like Larry King. No. my daughter got nodes, vocal nodes. And so that's what made me aware of it. And we were talking about it and she's and so I thought, oh God, you know, maybe I haven't been treating my voice. Right? You are hypochondriac. I no, no, no, no, no. This is professional training. So I talked to Scott Wilkinson's wife who happens to be a vocal coach. This is what she does. And I said, I I'm most particularly interested in not having my voice get sound. Oh, I don't wanna sound like an old man as I get older. I mean, I guess it will. It's the substance of what you say that makes you sound old you, but go ahead. Well, that's true. <Laugh> that I give you here's that I'm gonna

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:30):
Let Jeff and Sobo. Cause

Leo Laporte (01:29:31):
That was pretty brutal right now. There's no, there's no, there's no cure for that one. Mr. Ottos, but Guttenberg Guttenberg Guttenberg but it, so she told me, you know, there's a few things I need to do and and all of that and no, so it's good. I think it's good. I should take care of my voice. I mean, I, I feel bad that I haven't all this time. I mean, I, this was a reveal. I like that. Yeah. So anyway, so that, okay. Then I go in the kitchen. We were no, we're only beginning his, oh, this is my day with my voice assistant. I go in the kitchen, I say Madam a play, my flash briefing. And so she plays the news. We, you know, you, you could set up all the news things you want to hear.

Leo Laporte (01:30:15):
Lisa's always listening to her flash flash briefing or when I'm, you know, cooking something, I might say you know, set a timer for three minutes for mash potatoes or whatever. And then your, in your wonderful machine in my machine, I don't have to set the timer because oh, I see. Okay. It plays little musical tunes. It does everything. Yeah. The Thermo mix is a amazing piece of sorry, Stacy technology. There's a, there's a new there's a new Thermo mix in town, by the way. There's a comp competitor. That's less expensive. That looks like is even more one. I can't remember the name. Somebody who was showing it to me. I'll try to remember. Oh, Leo <laugh>. Oh man. I wish I could. I think Dick. Oh, I could find it. Dick T Bartolo mentioned it on orate on the Gimi on the GI.

Leo Laporte (01:31:04):
His toe. No, no. I'll find it for you. Cuz I, I GI Dick was talking about, I said, well, that's just a clone of the he does this on the radio show. He, he brings gadgets. I said, that's just a clone of the Thermo mix. But instead of 1500 bucks here it is the cooking pal Molto oh, I see. I said Malto did you say the Malto? Yeah. Say that. I said Moto. Yeah. This looks just like a thermal mix. Basically. It does. Yeah, it does bucks. It's it's a chop sautes needs steams boils, whisks ways it emulsifies blends greats. Mommy made me match my M and

Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:44):
It doesn't have cookie do as its

Leo Laporte (01:31:45):
App. You know what? That is actually a flaw in the Thermo mix. I have to constantly re-log into cookie do and you pay 30 bucks a year for it. And even though you paid all that money for the hardware, but this looks kind of neat. So yeah, I would look at it's about half the price too, I think. All right. Yeah. Actually I would love it if you got one and then you could tell me if it's good or not the Moto. Okay. The Moto intelligent cooking system by cooking pal. I think these are all European. Yeah. 9 99 instead of 1500 bucks.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:19):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative>

Leo Laporte (01:32:19):
Mm, you

Jeff Jarvis (01:32:20):
Could buy it on on time $91

Leo Laporte (01:32:22):
A month. Yeah. It, and it like, these are exactly the same attachments. It looks just like a Thermo mix. So I think it's the same thing and it one advantage. It has, it has a tablet separate from the, see an AR sure. You, oh

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:38):
My God. It comes with its own tablet. That's kind of weird.

Leo Laporte (01:32:41):
Well, yeah, I need this. The Thermo mix. 

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:45):
God, it's huge.

Leo Laporte (01:32:46):
Oh God. The wait till you see the Thermo mix.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:49):
I've seen the Thermo mix.

Leo Laporte (01:32:50):
Well, this is even, but this has, what is this smoke stack in the back? <Laugh> that worries me a little bit. <Laugh> yeah. I don't know. That's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:02):
You and my space.

Jeff Jarvis (01:33:03):
My space is gone.

Leo Laporte (01:33:05):
No, my space space. Oh,

Jeff Jarvis (01:33:07):
I see. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:33:11):
You already ordered this. No, I don't need it. I have a Thermo mix. I'm trying to sell Stacy on it.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:16):
He's trying to convince me that I don't spend a thousand dollars to stop talking to my significant other.

Leo Laporte (01:33:20):
No, it's all. That's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:21):
Expensive. We, we have deals.

Leo Laporte (01:33:22):
Yeah. <laugh> no. And as you should, I mean, that's a lot of money, but if you tell 'em it makes the best money. It's like a whole

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:29):
To brown pair of flats. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:33:34):
I get this. Instead of those, she's got priorities folks here comes the sun to end civilization. Here's an uplifting little story from wired little moral panic here about the sun. Any moral here. This is just panic, panic. Oh, okay. Because you know, you know about solar spots and you know, about sun storms and all of that stuff and how they can cause problems. But this just one more thing to worry about. If you're worried about a giant comment hitting us, this is just one more thing like that. Every once in a while, the sun will send out a blast of plasma. It always, you know, almost always doesn't go towards the earth. It's a, yes, a CME, a Corona mass ejection. But if it did hit the earth, of course Jamer knows it. Oh yeah. Jamer V's all over this. And it didn't it didn't get bounced away by the Earth's mag magnetic field because they could be opposite polarity. So it's a lot of ifs, but it would basically blow out all the electronics in the world. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:42):
There's also a super volcano under Yellowstone.

Leo Laporte (01:34:46):
Oh wow. Is that what old faithful is, is just the tip of the super volcano.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:51):
Old faithful is not the tip of the super volcano, but there is a potential super volcano under yellow

Leo Laporte (01:34:56):
Stuff. Wow. So there is a deep space climate observatory, which is a satellite about a million miles from the earth that analyzes the speed and polarity of incoming solar particles. And if the cloud's magnetic orientation is dangerous in heading towards the earth, we could get an hour of warning before impact. What do we do? Unplug everything that won't help. <Laugh> wrapping Tim foil. I don't know. It is possible to shield stuff. Most stuff is not shielded. The biggest issue is it could knock out the electrical grid. We have a lot of transformers, especially old transformers that would be very susceptible to this and they would blow and it could in effect render us without power for months in the United States. Imagine how that would be how much fun that would be in the summer of 2012 during the historically quiet cycle, 24 to mammoth Corona, mass injections, narrowly missed the earth. So, oh boy, just something more to this sort of cheery. Thank you. Wired. I particularly like the headline here comes the sun to end civilization <laugh> yeah. Matt rebel writing in wired magazine this week, but the sun, the sun gives life. Yeah, it does. And

Stacey Higginbotham (01:36:28):
It takes it away.

Leo Laporte (01:36:29):
Yeah. Oh, we did it again. Stacy. What's that? What'd you do

Stacey Higginbotham (01:36:35):
Jinx sing again?

Leo Laporte (01:36:36):
Yeah. Same thing. You said the same thing. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:36:41):
I don't know, man.

Leo Laporte (01:36:42):
All right. Now I think I better do a little break here. Although Stacy, I actually liked this smart audio report. I feel like we didn't even really 62% of adult Americans use a voice assistant.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:36:56):
My favorite stat was that the number of people like the number of tasks people complete, we actually went through like you were doing Kevin and I, we talked about this on my show. We went through and figured out what we talked to our voice assistants to do. And surprisingly, we had a hard time getting above 10. We made it, but we actually only do a few things with

Leo Laporte (01:37:19):
These that's. I think that's really common. I mean, I, I think playing music and setting timers, you know, is like kind of for most people mostly what they do. We ask, we ask about the weather, you know, before we're, you know, before we're going out before we're getting, deciding what to wear Lisa, or I will say what's, what's the weather gonna be in Petaluma? And because I have Samuel L. Jackson on my Amazon echo, as well as Melissa McCarthy, depending on my mood, I might say, Hey Melissa, what's the weather gonna be? Or Hey, Samuel, what's the weather gonna be? And he swears by the way, when he tells you what the weather. Yeah, he's really good. It's really funny. <Laugh> and then we could set alarms. Oh, we'll you know, frequently we say Hey, Siri, play ocean sounds when we go to bed and there's a nice pleasant ocean sounds coming. You know, we have sir apples, little speakers by the bed and we listen to music and stuff. We use quite a bit. And unfortunately they are constantly beeping and booing at us. They're triggered accidentally all the time, so right.

Leo Laporte (01:38:25):
That's a, you know, I mean, and, and they mention that in this, in this study a surprisingly large number of people, even those who have smart speakers are worried that they're, they're listening in <laugh> so,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:39):
Yeah, but that's shocking. Every, everybody worries

Leo Laporte (01:38:41):
About that. Yeah. We're just always worried about that. Right. 

Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:45):
We always think we're so important and people wanna talk to us

Leo Laporte (01:38:48):
47% of smart speaker owners worry that our smart speakers always listening wow. 43% worried that the smart speaker could allow the government to listen into our private conversations, but 58% agree that the companies are gonna keep your information secure wrong. <Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (01:39:14):
I never really had much success with the assistant stuff. Maybe it's because I'm on Android and it's not as great as the Madam maze and Siri, but I just never really had to desire to do anything other than ask for the weather, or I think maybe play a song. But most of the time when I ask it to play a song, it struggles to find a song that I'm just looking for. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so I don't, I hardly even use it. And I just pick up my phone and type in what I want to do.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:42):
Google actually was the worst when it came. So I've got Spotify integrated and Google, Spotify API was terrible in the beginning. It's much better now. Okay. It used to always play the karaoke version of things. 

Leo Laporte (01:39:55):
That was a big problem. Wasn't it? There's a lot of gamification on Spotify where people will put stuff, cuz you're gonna get money for the play. So they'll put stuff hoping to get you. And and, and there's a lot of crap on Spotify taking advantage of that. Maybe Spotify's fixed that. I think there must be Spotify, right? I think the more you use it,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:17):
You ever ask it was Google working with it was the API Google doing it the way they had set up their API is what I heard. Interesting. I'll be right back.

Leo Laporte (01:40:24):
The number of speaker owners who listen to a podcast on their smart speaker, by the way, something else I do in a typical way, increase 22% over the past five years. So it's now 39% of smart speaker owners. Listen to podcasts. I do that all the time,

Ant Pruitt (01:40:43):
But see, I wonder what that number is that says from 2017 to 2022, what is it from like 20, 20 to 2022? I bet it's more significant then.

Leo Laporte (01:40:52):
Right? Maybe it increased over the past five years, but yeah, I don't know. Yeah,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:59):
I mean, I'm sure you could ask NPR for the

Ant Pruitt (01:41:01):
Property. Cause I bet most of it happened during 2020 to 2022 and I'm, I would assume that 27.

Leo Laporte (01:41:06):
Oh, when we were stuck in the house,

Ant Pruitt (01:41:07):
19 was, oh,

Leo Laporte (01:41:08):
You're right. Cause you were listening to the car mostly. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (01:41:11):

Leo Laporte (01:41:12):
<Affirmative>, it's certainly something we're aware of. You know, we do, after every show we do a flash briefing snippet from the show and make that available to echo users. And we definitely think that for podcasting, one of the, always one of the issues, the podcasting at the early days was how hard it was. Like you had to jump through hoops to listen. So I've, I've always said if soon as it's as easy to listen to a podcast, as a radio show, we will do better than radio. And I think that that's come true. And a lot of that is do to smart speakers. You know, just the ease of listening you can, by the way you and cars, but you can do yeah. Cuz easier in cars too. Now, cuz your smartphone is already connected to your car, right? So you can easily listen to a podcast, but just for people, listen, you can ask for TWIG, you know, you can say play the latest, play the latest this week in Google podcast. And almost all of them will do that correctly. You can listen to twit live our live stream. Amazon echo used to call it twit live. I don't know if they fixed that or not.

Leo Laporte (01:42:11):
I'm good with that, man. I'm good

Ant Pruitt (01:42:12):
With that. And maybe I'll try this assistant stuff a little more over the next week or so, but I, I just never really had any interest. The only thing that I can say I use regularly is if I have those pixel buds in and the little notification chime goes up, right? And so then I'll just tap and hold and listen to the notification. But that's about it. Cuz when I try to respond to say a text message, it's a crap

Leo Laporte (01:42:39):
Show. Oh I do that all the time. When I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:42:40):
Do you have any smart stuff in your home aunt, do you have any smart light bulbs or anything like that? So that, that might be like probably half of my things are instructing my oven debris heat or my thermostat to go or my lights to turn on or doors to lock. So

Leo Laporte (01:42:57):
I just, I, every night when I go to bed, I say, Hey, go turn the lights out. And the hue lights that I have that are hooked up and, and connected to the Google, those are it's about nine lights to turn off. That's a nice, that's a very nice thing. You know,

Ant Pruitt (01:43:11):
It's a nice feature.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:43:12):
You should have a good night routine. Leo, why don't you advance yourself a little bit, add in your door locks. Be like

Leo Laporte (01:43:18):
I don't have automated door locks. So

Ant Pruitt (01:43:21):

Leo Laporte (01:43:22):
I don't think could check the garage

Stacey Higginbotham (01:43:24):
Door and make sure it's

Leo Laporte (01:43:25):
Closed. It could cuz I have a, I have a smart garage door. So it could do that. I actually have a routine where I walk around the house, make sure all the windows and doors are closed. I check the garage and then I'll lock the door. And as I'm going by the, the last stage I say, Hey, go turn out the lights. And that's the last stage before I go to bed. So that's a, I mean, so that's the last thing

Ant Pruitt (01:43:44):
You're telling me. You don't do a vocal warmup to go to bed

Leo Laporte (01:43:46):
Or no, no. You only do that once a day. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:43:51):
After you work out, when you do your pushups, I want you to go. Mommy made me match my and MSS. <Laugh> here's one reason. I think there's some growth in this small kids. In fact, this was the number one reason for wanting a smart speaker was to interchange children and that's increased 36%. Actually. It's not the number one reason. The number one reason is discover new songs. But the fastest growing reason is entertain children. And that makes a by the way, podcast is number three. So thank you. But that makes a lot of sense. Everybody I know has a young kids complains <laugh> cuz they're young kids will say, you know, play baby shark, baby shark over and over and over. Oh yeah. Kids love it though, because they've got something that they can boss around authority over. Yeah, yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:41):
Yeah. Well, and like if your parents don't let you have access to a smartphone, I mean, if you think about it, kids, it's greater variety than like those toys you used to punch for. Like, you know, you'd punch something at a play a little song and you'd have like three options, right.

Leo Laporte (01:44:56):
A busy box. Yes. You

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:57):
Can tell it to do whatever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I liked it because it did give my daughter when we got the, it gave her the ability when she was about six or seven to control things in the house that she, and play her music in a way that she couldn't because everything was digital by then. Because if you think about it, I mean, I had a radio, right. And I had a record player. So, but she had none of that.

Leo Laporte (01:45:25):
No. When my son got outta college, you know, you would give him a stereo maybe, or you know, something like that. I gave him the Google home max, that's his music. It's a great little speaker. He could, it does everything. He it's a great choice I think. And now he carries out, you know, he doesn't carry it around, but he, every time he moves, he brings his his home max. That's his stereo. That's his stereo. Yeah. I think I makes a lot

Jeff Jarvis (01:45:49):
Player. Your SOS.

Leo Laporte (01:45:51):
Yeah. But they they're just so stupid. <Laugh> told you. They're so smart speakers. Huh? I'm just disappointed. I think Sonos missed, honestly, the Google hub max is a better choice. I put Madame on my Sonos, but for some reason it stops playing after 15 minutes or not even that long, maybe 10 minutes. It'll just stop. Oh, that's another thing

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:14):
My Madame did that for a while.

Leo Laporte (01:46:15):
Yeah. Did you ever figure out why?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:17):
Nope. I just threw it Madame away. Yeah. I mean, I put her in the storage

Leo Laporte (01:46:21):
Closet, put her in the closet. That's all Madame deserves.

Jeff Jarvis (01:46:23):
I can't play a whole symphony. All I can ever get is one

Leo Laporte (01:46:26):
Of those stupid, oh, a movement. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:46:28):
Movement for people who don't like classical music. I don't know how to do it.

Leo Laporte (01:46:33):
You have to ask for the album.

Leo Laporte (01:46:37):
So you want Deutche grandma phone Opus number 37. The Moza INAC line knock. Yeah. You on the albums. They never mention movements. And I think about it. Yeah. You ask for the album. I think I'll play the album album thing. Okay. Yeah. what was I gonna say about Sono? Do you have, so you have Sonos Stacy or no,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:58):
I got rid of most of my Sonos. Yeah. But I still have, I still have one. I don't have the, I was gonna get with the one with the voice assistant just to test it

Leo Laporte (01:47:05):
Out. Yeah. I have the moves or the more Mo most modern ones. And mm-hmm <affirmative> so those are you. They charge it on a charger, but carry around. And those do Madame or Google or Sonos voice assistant. But and they sound good. I mean, they're good speakers if I can, if I could get it. So it didn't stop. That's another thing by the way, listening to audio books as well as podcasts. So if you have a Madame and you use audible, you can, you could just say, literally read to me and it will pick up wherever you left off. That's most of how I listen to Neil Stevenson, you know, moving around the house and stuff. All right. Now I really do have to take a break because otherwise this show is gonna be eight hours long and Stacy's gonna kill me. She's gonna kill me.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:48):
I'll just leave it. I'll be like, which

Leo Laporte (01:47:50):
Always make this. I thought you did. Actually, when you said I have to go, I thought you would never come back

Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:54):
To be honest. No. I had to, my, my husband was running out the door and he asked me if I wanted something. So I, I wanted him to go pick up some fruit for

Leo Laporte (01:48:00):
Me. Oh, isn't that nice. Sorry. Oh yeah. Sons has its own voice assistant, which didn't we just find out is the voice of the, yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:08):
They developed it. They launched it at the beginning of this month. Yeah. And they developed it all on their own. It only works with music. But it is supposed to be much better for music and not have, oh, I'll to try it that we

Leo Laporte (01:48:20):
Complained about. Oh good. And it's the guy from breaking bad. Somebody told me

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:25):
Yes. And what's interesting. They actually didn't. They had a couple of him recording things, but they had him record a whole bunch. And then they actually computer generated. Yeah. 90 or 5% only. Like the

Leo Laporte (01:48:37):
That's how Google does it too. Yeah. Yeah. Breaking GCAR Esposito's voice. They synthesized it. They call it Esposito. AI <laugh> he just has to do enough. He has the prosy records, the prosy and then then they can they can modify it. I, now that I know that I'm gonna definitely turn that on. That's pretty cool. Esposito's voice may eventually converse in more languages than English is English and Spanish. In fact, they just added Ukrainian. Which is really cool. So as long as they have the prosy, I guess they can apply it to other languages. You might be speaking it kind of in a non-native way.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:23):
I would be speaking it in a non-native way anyway, though.

Leo Laporte (01:49:25):
Well, but you should get somebody who's a native speaker, right?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:31):
Well, they're not gonna have a person. They're gonna have an AI. Yeah. They're gonna essentially have

Leo Laporte (01:49:36):
A deep fake using the pros of a native speaker is what I'm saying would be better, but who knows what they're gonna do anyway, let's take a little break. Come back with more Stacey. Higginbotham Stacy on Wonderful. As always to have you. I always worry. Every week, every Wednesday I walk in and say, is Stacy gonna be here? Is she gonna be here? Then there's Jeff jar. Do

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:58):
You wonder what color my hair's gonna

Leo Laporte (01:49:59):
Be? What color is it today? Purple.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:02):

Leo Laporte (01:50:02):
Purple. It's very nice. It's a subtle purple. It looks more like a sheen, like, like,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:09):
Oh, it's

Leo Laporte (01:50:09):
Very purple. Is it? Maybe is the, camera's just not catching

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:12):
My, my lighting is your jacket there? Leo?

Leo Laporte (01:50:15):
Yeah. My tux like your touch jacket. You like you like my purple

Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:19):
It's purple velvet tux.

Leo Laporte (01:50:20):
Yeah. Did you like that? That's Jeff Jarvis buzz is <laugh>. Okay. So he is got a new camera. We sent him, what did we send you? I can't remember the name of it.

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:33):
It's called the Lumina,

Leo Laporte (01:50:35):
The Lumina. It was a Kickstarter I think. And the idea is, oh, this camera is gonna be great. It's gonna be as good as a DSLR, but it's, you know, it's a webcam and I think it is good. I think it looks good. It solved some of the problems, but what are those two Hickey?

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:50):
You can just add a few. There's only like six

Leo Laporte (01:50:52):
Up. Oh, it's a, it it's like, oh,

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:56):
It's AI. It could do things like that, but I can, I can also become very, very sharp.

Leo Laporte (01:51:01):
Yeah. Don't make it sharp. Cuz that actually made you soft. That was an, you want UN sharp so you can

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:08):
Blur any amount I want.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:10):
It's the Baba

Leo Laporte (01:51:12):
Wawa. Yeah. But it's all done in software. This is powered by AI, which means, you know, it's software, the Baba Wawa

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:18):
Stuff. And I

Leo Laporte (01:51:19):
Can, it's cool looking,

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:20):
But yeah, it seems to be it's it's it's 4k.

Leo Laporte (01:51:23):
Well, and it's really wide. So you have it zoomed. In fact we could zoom in a little more.

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:27):
I mean I'll zoom out first to show how wide it goes.

Leo Laporte (01:51:29):
It goes really wide to work. Yeah. But you can zoom in a little bit. That'll be good if you have like few not at your window. No stop stops. Well,

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:38):
That's what we want right there.

Leo Laporte (01:51:41):
I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:43):
Oh, if you're listening on audio, be thankful.

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:45):

Leo Laporte (01:51:46):
Finally, a reason on audio, our show today brought oh and aunt Pruitts also here of course from hands on photography and Mr. Moru panic that's song truth cycle. I love that. That's a, that's a better trick than yellow hands clapping.

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Leo Laporte (01:55:10):
Huh? That's that's the lower quarter, lower half <laugh> oh I, you know, actually I have a, a whole section that we're gonna start doing from now on called on the market off the market, off the market. So off the market, sorry, actually, lemme do on the market first, cuz this is the good news. Rupert Murdoch is on the market. <Laugh> his short lived marriage. Well, six, seven years. That's not bad to Jerry Hall. Four, his fourth wife, Jerry Hall, former spouse of Mick Jagger. So she had the qualifications. She was used to wrinkly old men. He's 91. She's 65 may. December just didn't work out. I thought

Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:01):
He was married to Wendy dang or something

Leo Laporte (01:56:03):
Like that. That's the old one. That's not wife. Number three. Sorry, but, but Hey, good news on the market. Bad news off the market. Bill NY, the science guy just got married. Congratulations too. Oh, I know. I thought he'd never get married. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:21):
I didn't really think about it being married or not, but you know, no, I hope he's happy.

Leo Laporte (01:56:25):
<Laugh> yeah. 66 years old. So, you know, he married journalist Lisa Monday. She's 61. The ceremony was officiated. I love this by an actor from star Trek. <Laugh> of course. We Neil Agra Tyson. No, I don't think so. Robert Picardo who plays the doctor on star Trek, star Trek, voyage

Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:50):
Bill, bill NY and Neil Degrass. Tyson might have like this fun rivalry. Isn't

Leo Laporte (01:56:53):
That fun? I'm sure they do. But Neil Degrass Tyson has bill on his show on his podcast. Yeah, but I have to say this Neil Degrass Tyson is a scientist bill Knight, just a science guy. He is not a trained scientist. He's just a, he's really a host. He's a communicator. He's as much a scientist as I am a scientist <laugh> he's media. He did wear a bow tie, black bow tie with white shirt and orange flower on his lapel. According to the daily male Pete Suza, another celebrity, former white house photographer for the Obama administration was the wedding photographer. Pretty nice. Pretty, pretty nice. So I'm very happy for bill got bill NY, the science guy, his new wife wrote the book code girls, the untold story of the American women Codebreakers of world war two. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. In fact that's how they met because in the book she mentions bill N's mom, who was a crypt in that analyst, Jacqueline Jenkins. I, he emailed her, they developed a rapport, they started dating and now the end is nine

Stacey Higginbotham (01:58:06):

Leo Laporte (01:58:10):
Jamer V hit the rim shot. Another weird thing I learned that Jerry Hall's marriage to Mick Jager was a nud

Stacey Higginbotham (01:58:26):
They were married forever.

Leo Laporte (01:58:27):
I know. I didn't know. You could, I have to ask Padre about this <laugh> I didn't know. I thought you had to be in mean like you didn't consummate it or like it was under false pretenses. I don't know. Yeah. They, they were together forever, huh? Hmm. Anyway no, no word. The, by the way, the story about Murdoch and Jerry Hall is, is still just rumor. But I hear it. Oh, what?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:58:56):
We don't report rumor. You reported that like it's fact.

Jeff Jarvis (01:59:01):
Well, if you

Leo Laporte (01:59:03):
Get 'em let me see. Where, what authoritative,

Jeff Jarvis (01:59:07):
According to two people, with knowledge of the decision,

Leo Laporte (01:59:10):
Two people, knowledge speak

Jeff Jarvis (01:59:12):
Only anonymously to discuss a personal matter. That means that Rupert and Jerry told him, but don't quote us.

Leo Laporte (01:59:18):
Yeah. And she gets nothing. It's unlikely. According to the New York times to alter the ownership, this is why it's news because you know, he's got Fox news, the wall street journal. It is unlikely to alter the ownership structure of business. He holds stakes in how they would know this well, cuz Rupert told him the <laugh> the Murdoch family shares in the companies reside in a strictly managed trust, voting rights or split with his four oldest children. Lockline Elizabeth, James, and prudence just like the TV show succession and has arranged them so that he can never be outvoted <laugh>.

Jeff Jarvis (01:59:57):
But so, so the, so when Rupert goes, which may happen, never cuz he's a vampire Locklin is not gonna take over, but there are rumors that James would manage a palace coup given the Fox structure. Wow. At that point, right. And could change Fox news. You know, my, my, I wanna, I wanna add this in my father, my 96 year old father who I loved dear used to be a Fox news watcher and everything that came along with that then in the pandemic, his hearing aid basically broke which we didn't really fix until we do that and got him up here. And so he didn't really watch Fox news for two years. It, it, it, it, it cured him. He has said, Joe, Biden's doing a good job. He says

Leo Laporte (02:00:40):

Jeff Jarvis (02:00:40):
Donald Trump is a problem. And he is glad he

Leo Laporte (02:00:43):
To see here.

Jeff Jarvis (02:00:44):
It's amazing how it can happen if we could just

Leo Laporte (02:00:47):
Turn. Cause his hearing aid broke

Jeff Jarvis (02:00:49):
Pretty much. I think

Leo Laporte (02:00:52):
By the way, let's give full credit to bill NA. He is a mechanical engineer and worked at Boeing, invented a hydraulic resonance suppressor tube that is used on the 7 47. Yeah. You

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:01):
Tried, you tried doing that Leo

Leo Laporte (02:01:02):
In 1986. Yeah. So he's not like us, but wait. Yeah. But wait <laugh> but wait, in 1986, I'm not a scientist in 1986, which is if I'm correct, like 40 years ago, he left Boeing to pursue comedy writing and performing for the local sketch television show almost live where he regularly conducted wacky science experiments. So <laugh> that

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:27):
He was serious.

Leo Laporte (02:01:28):
He, I guess, yeah. He's an engineer. He has an engineer, mechanical engineering background. I don't know is mechanical engineering. Is, is science or is it yes, yes. It's Applied's close enough. It's close enough. It's more than I have. I have a Chinese, I don't even have a degree. I studied Chinese, so nothing. I got nothing. Anyway, so I apologize, bill ni for besmirching you, he is a science guy. I'm avoiding the other depressing story, which is that

Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:06):
Hack Jacuzzi's

Leo Laporte (02:02:07):
Yes. How did you know <laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:11):
I, you know, as someone who is very excited about hot tubs, I was like, oh no hack jacuzzi. Well, don't worry a particle boards inside.

Leo Laporte (02:02:18):
There's not much they could do to you if they hack your jacuzzi, but they, they can apparently, you know, get your name, address, and phone number. That's about it. Yeah. It's not the worst. Yeah. It's not the worst.

Jeff Jarvis (02:02:31):
Well, what, what story were you avoiding now?

Leo Laporte (02:02:33):
I was gonna be talking about the one where that turns out that aviation fuel for small planes is still lead and has been yeah. That's for years, which is incredibly depressing. Especially

Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:43):
My IQ is like seven points lower cuz I'm a child of the leaded gasoline area.

Leo Laporte (02:02:48):
Oh my God. Well, that's a relief because if you were any smarter

Jeff Jarvis (02:02:52):

Leo Laporte (02:02:53):
Terrified you

Jeff Jarvis (02:02:54):
Would be Alexa ni you would be lamb jobs.

Leo Laporte (02:02:58):
Lot of, lot of small airports though are near residential neighborhoods. And this lead is very much a reason why children have lower IQs health problems. It's not a good thing. And of course lead gasoline was eliminated years ago, but apparently not. There's a flying over a 190 jets

Jeff Jarvis (02:03:18):
Or is this just

Leo Laporte (02:03:18):
Small? No, it's small planes, 192 million gallon a year loophole. This is quartz, which kind of discovered this. If you're a piston engine airplane, there's 170,000 of them. You are because you need the compression ratio of lead. In fact they really haven't found a, a solution for it. They're still trying to make a gasoline that would work in these small planes.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:03:44):
600 tiny hamsters.

Leo Laporte (02:03:47):
Yeah. <laugh> courts just published a six month investigation about how aviation fuel is poisoning a generation of Americans. And after decades of delays and resistance by oil companies, aircraft manufacturers, even federal agencies, there may be a solution in ADA, Oklahoma. So thank you courts. And of course they have video, small planes flying over playgrounds because wait,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:04:12):
What is the solution?

Leo Laporte (02:04:14):
A new kind of I guess gasoline. Oh, okay. Not its like the hamsters. Yeah. No it's not hamsters <laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:23):
Would you fly in, in a, in an electric powered plane? Yeah. Yes. Does that sound freakier or

Leo Laporte (02:04:28):
That's no, no, no, I I'd do it. Yeah. The problem is is distance of course. Yeah. because the batteries are very heavy and they, you know, you can't carry enough. Batteries go a long way. I think actually there are I'm not a fan of hydrogen fuel sells for personal vehicles. Although Mike Ganson loves his Toyota Mariah, cuz he lives next door to hydrogen fueling station, but there's a

Stacey Higginbotham (02:04:54):
Hydrogen plane and termination shock. Remember she had to like land every a hundred something

Leo Laporte (02:04:59):
Miles. Yeah. Right. But it does fuel cells make more sense for long distance trucking for things that need to a lot of energy in a small space and airplanes. But yeah, but you don't, we don't have the infrastructure yet. She had to land all the time. It was very frustrating. Let's see. You ready for the top 50 most popular websites for news in the world. I don't care if you are Jeff Jarvis's and and here they are. I bet you put this in here, right? No I didn't. Oh, I must have done it for you. No, maybe, maybe, maybe Jason

Ant Pruitt (02:05:33):

Leo Laporte (02:05:36):
The top. Oh no. You know, maybe it was me. Maybe it was me. I saw this and thought of you New York times. You're on your growth. Oh I know why I put this in here. 36% this year. Why Wordle? Wow. Wordle. They bought Wordle for not a lot of money. Six figures I think is the low, like low millions. And it has powered 301,000 new subscribers in the first quarter alone.

Ant Pruitt (02:06:10):

Leo Laporte (02:06:11):
Subscribers to news. It's yeah, no it's subscribers to Wordle and that's gotta use the new Wordle. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. Isn't it? I,

Ant Pruitt (02:06:19):
I play it, but I don't pay for anything. It's am I still considered a subscriber?

Leo Laporte (02:06:24):
You playing Wordle for free? No, you're what we call a free loader. Oh, I didn't know. You could play it for free. All right.

Ant Pruitt (02:06:30):
Yeah. I haven't paid for anything. I still play it. When I remember you were giving them my information.

Leo Laporte (02:06:37):
Number two,

Ant Pruitt (02:06:38):
Which just says New York at times in the URL,

Leo Laporte (02:06:41):
In terms of fastest growing sites, New York post report, Murdock, New York post daily mail, number three, Murdock daily mail, both tabloids. And you talk about junk Number four. Wow. I tell you what I, I know exactly how get windows 11 and you'll see how it's foisted upon. Everybody wants windows 11. Oh it's it shows up in all the wrong places. If you move your mouse to the left, if you do a search. Wow. MSN and it's terrible. It's the worst CNN flat year on year growth, CNBC flat Fox news down a percent. That's the Trump effect, right? Finance, Yahoo, finance down 5% Washington posts down 6% uhoh and that's 7% down for Anything to say by now,

Jeff Jarvis (02:07:42):
This is the 20. I think I'm not at an event just today that I was invited to, to mark the 20th birthday of Google news, crystal

Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:50):

Leo Laporte (02:07:52):
I like Google news compared to MSN or apple news. Google at least gives me, you know, mm-hmm <affirmative> pretty good stories. They stopped the ti your top five though, which I'm disappointed. I like that Google

Stacey Higginbotham (02:08:02):
News there every time. Oh, sorry. It's talking to me. Every time I search something new, it decides that's my new favorite thing. And I'm like,

Leo Laporte (02:08:10):
Oh, I know they're a little too much on the stop algorithms. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (02:08:14):
It has a new, it has a redesign today. We could have, that could be a change log. I don't know. I don't wanna ruin you change

Leo Laporte (02:08:19):
Log. Oh, I have no idea. What's in the change log. I don't pay attention to

Stacey Higginbotham (02:08:22):
<Laugh>. Wait, why is Jeff? The human DDoS? Are you overwhelming us? What are you over? What?

Leo Laporte (02:08:31):
Where are you getting up from the chat? Oh, Burke. Don't listen to Burke. So SpaceX, here's the pick for you from Google news? Actually there's a good pick from Gizmoto SpaceX says 5g interference could make Starlink internet unusable. Why do you think they might say that? Oh boy. Oh gee. If the telcos start offering high speed land based internet

Stacey Higginbotham (02:08:54):
Risk, Verizon already does. T-Mobile already does. Yeah. They both have 5g based.

Leo Laporte (02:09:01):
And I have to say, I bought Verizon for my daughter. I've mentioned this before. They're they're home based 5g. It's fantastic. And it's inexpensive cuz I'm already a Verizon customer. It's 25 bucks a month for unlimited. Now that could change anyway.

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:16):
Any complaint from her?

Leo Laporte (02:09:17):
Anything? No, she loves it. She's got a hard wired into her iMac wireless throughout the apartment. It's fantastic. And she now the point is she's near a freeway, so she's near a 5g tower, but she's getting 150 megabits down and 30 or 40 up rock solid consistently. It's very good. All right. Very good. For 25 bucks a month. That's why that's why space. That's the interference. Spacex is talking about <laugh> SpaceX is raised its price. Now it's $110 a month here. I, that was, those were growth. I didn't finish the top 50 English language news sites in the us by number of visits. Number one, CNN. Yeah, they didn't grow, but they are number one. Then the New York times then MSN that's totally because of windows. Then Fox news,, Yahoo finance, Washington post New York post daily mail, CNBC rounded at the top 10

Jeff Jarvis (02:10:13):
Guardian used to be top 10. That's now 16.

Leo Laporte (02:10:15):
Oh, that's too bad. Cuz I really like the guardian USA today. 13 14. Do you think closing the magazine down will impact that. I wonder if it'll go up or down wall street. Journal's only 17, but it's paywall. It's expensive for

Jeff Jarvis (02:10:31):
Well, there's a lot of there's stuff. There, there they're gonna start like they're a wire cutter. They're doing more. Yeah. Stuff outside the pay wall to try to go goose the audience.

Leo Laporte (02:10:39):
That's where the times did a very good job. Right? Cuz word's free. But actually I don't know what, what <laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (02:10:48):
Cause, cause they want people to yeah. Martin Holtz, who was the first VP of, of news at the times, people went after him and said, it's original sin. You give away the content. And he said, we hadn't done that. We would never be as big as we are to convert 2% to paid.

Leo Laporte (02:11:02):
Right. That's the key is you gotta convert a certain percentage. Is it only 2%? No. Yeah. More roughly

Jeff Jarvis (02:11:10):
Two to 3% of, of paid news out of the total audience, the total audience is huge. But that's a lot better than any other news site. If you go to the, you know, the Podunk daily disgrace in any Metro area, conversion is, you know, 0.3% and the audience

Leo Laporte (02:11:27):
Is I'm. I subscribe your daily dis

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:29):
I subscribe to my

Leo Laporte (02:11:30):
Daily dis daily disgrace is very, very, I pay for the daily disgrace. You do too. Stacy.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:37):
I pay for three day. I pay for my city paper at the Bainbridge island review.

Leo Laporte (02:11:42):
Is it, is it called the boot? It should be called the Banbridge bugle. It's not

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:46):
It's it's the Banbridge island review. I pay for the Kitsap county sun and I pay for the Seattle times.

Leo Laporte (02:11:52):
Good for you.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:53):
And I pay for the wall street journal and the New York times.

Leo Laporte (02:11:56):
Oh yeah. I, I stopped paying

Jeff Jarvis (02:11:57):
For the wall street.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:59):
Oh God, no, no.

Leo Laporte (02:12:00):
Why? No, it's all digital. <Laugh> I just subscribed

Stacey Higginbotham (02:12:04):
You with a print paper.

Leo Laporte (02:12:05):
I just subscribed my first subs stack and I, I, it, it made me feel weird, but I really wanted to read this. Do you know Seth Abers? Abraham Abers Abramson.

Jeff Jarvis (02:12:16):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> by of them. Yeah. Proof

Leo Laporte (02:12:19):
He's he's kind of an independent investigative reporter. It's only, you know, five bucks a month.

Jeff Jarvis (02:12:24):
He kind of backs up as conspiracies.

Leo Laporte (02:12:26):
He's got a million, almost a million subscribers though. So that's a lot of money. Wow. Geez. Is it a, is it a, is it a conspiracy thing? No.

Jeff Jarvis (02:12:35):
No. It's he he's on the edge of, of

Leo Laporte (02:12:38):
He's left. W he's like the left-wing Drudge.

Jeff Jarvis (02:12:42):
Yeah. That's one way to put it. Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:12:45):
But I like that.

Jeff Jarvis (02:12:45):
Don't say he is wrong. I'm just saying that he, he he's out there farther.

Leo Laporte (02:12:49):
I feel like he's actually manic <laugh> because he, there, like, there's some people that just there's so much content and I, he must be like never sleep. He has a whole page of people who notable people who subscribe, you know, there's

Jeff Jarvis (02:13:10):
That his, his Twitter feed is still

Leo Laporte (02:13:12):
Constant. Yeah. Well that's how I got into it. Cuz he he was very smart. He teased, he had a Twitter tweet storm about January 6th. And he said, if you wanna read more, it's all in proof. That's how he got me. That's how he got me. And I probably, you know what, it's probably a waste of money, but cuz I probably never read it. But you could see. So John, you subscribe no Twitter. Oh, you're aware. You're aware of it. Oh cuz of his Twitter feed. And he says in his Twitter feed 930,000 a month subscribers a month. So at five bucks each that's a pretty that's you're making some money that's you know, year ago, right? Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:57):
So there, oh Leo, you did a horrible disservice on this basics. Dish

Leo Laporte (02:14:04):
Let's do it.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:05):
5G story

Leo Laporte (02:14:06):
Spacex. No, no I did. I was just, that was called a hot take from reading the headline.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:12):
Oh no. Okay. So here's the deal. They're fighting over 12 gigahertz spectrum. So both of them, well dish is like we can share. And SpaceX is like no we can't because our satellite dishes currently, the way they're designed there will be interference with the 12 gigahertz spectrum. So basically this,

Leo Laporte (02:14:33):
So this is just dishes. This is just dishes. 5G. Not anybody else's 5g.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:37):
Yeah. This ISS 5g. Oh. And it's dish doing a spectrum grab or rather trying to do one. So in, in has done this before, I should never have said that cuz Charlie Ergen will come after me. <Laugh> go on.

Leo Laporte (02:14:53):
But dish says, but this is the opening. The 12 gigahertz range to 5g represents a win-win for all involved.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:15:00):
Okay. Yeah. So this is, this is straight up. We had this with like remember the DTV transition. Yeah. Back in 2008. I mean, this is, this is very common. So what's gonna happen is the FCC is actually gonna have to do its job, which it's actually really good at. It has the technical expertise to, to assess this. There is probably interference. It's probably an issue of like, Hey SpaceX, you're gonna have to put more shielding on your dishes. It might narrow the capabilities of SpaceX to do this. Additional, have to do something with like probably guard bands to help reduce that interference. But this is actually an interesting and meaty story.

Leo Laporte (02:15:38):
Thank you. Okay. Go on. Thank you. No, I'm glad you looked it up. I mean literally I didn't even know about it until I looked okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:15:44):
I read the article

Leo Laporte (02:15:45):
<Laugh> and its analysis, SpaceX claims. And again, the FCC will be the ultimate arbiter here. Spacex claims some amount of harmful interference from terrestrial mobile service within the 12.2 to 12.7 gigabits giga gigabyte hurts.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:16:01):
Giga hurts.

Leo Laporte (02:16:02):
Yeah. There's an extra B in there in this and this might be a typo, the 12.2 to 12.7 G H Z. It should be not GB. HC spectrum would occur about 77% of the time, which could result in full Starlink outages. Three quarters of the time.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:16:19):
Yeah. But this is an issue of like, is this real interference or did you just design your equipment badly? Right? Like remember all the

Leo Laporte (02:16:25):
Wireless. Well that's the altimeter problem, right?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:16:28):
Exactly. It's the altimeter problem. It's the wireless mic problem. And to be fair, you design for the cheapest constraints you have to work with. Right? Yeah. And so if there's nothing in that band and then what always happens is when you start using that band for everything else, you're like, oh crap. Yeah. So,

Leo Laporte (02:16:45):
So, so yeah, so

Stacey Higginbotham (02:16:48):
That's it. I just,

Leo Laporte (02:16:50):
No, no, go back. Count on. Always like I count on you for that. No, thank you. I appreciate it really important. I didn't wanna misrepresent it. I just, you know, I could see why they might not like Verizon doing it, but dish doesn't even have a product yet. This was part of the T-Mobile sprint merger. T-Mobile promised that. Oh no, no, don't worry. You're not gonna lose a carrier. You're gonna gain dish as a 5g carrier. Dish had no infrastructure. Hadn't set it up at all. Now they're rushing to set it up, which is good, I guess. Except that sounds like they're doing so in a way that is potentially bad for others

Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:32):
Dishes only 5g phone right now cost $900. Yeah. It's the motor alleged plus that's crazy dish. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:17:40):
That I think this was a bill of goods that T-Mobile sold the sold the FTC to allow them to merge with sprint and it, and I think it was a, it was a bogus, I don't think dish really ready to do it.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:53):
Dish is always okay. Charlie Ergen, who is the chairman of dish?

Leo Laporte (02:18:00):
I know. Well, I've been on, I've been on Charlie's show

Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:04):
<Laugh> he has a show.

Leo Laporte (02:18:05):
Charlie chat. Yeah. I was a guest on Charlie chat. I flew out to Denver and everything. Wow.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:13):
Wow. I I've done something for dish, but I did I meet Charlie? I don't know. I can't remember.

Leo Laporte (02:18:18):
That was many years ago. This was when dish was just getting

Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:22):
Started. So dish is trying to cover 20% of the us and they're gonna do that. They think people but this additional stuff, Charlie is very famous for just

Leo Laporte (02:18:35):
He's a tough guy. Could he's he's

Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:38):
Ballsy. He goes through the FCC. He does it. Yeah. So he's, he's one of those folk. So this does not surprise me.

Leo Laporte (02:18:45):
They were actually in a fight with T-Mobile because T-Mobile wants to shut down the 3g network and and <laugh> and dish was fighting with him and I was just, and has hasn't it been shut down by now? Yes. they shut it down on March 31st, like fairly recently, right? Yeah. Yeah. This recently this story came out today, I think. Oh no. On February dish appears to be mending fences with T-Mobile. Ergon also said in February, at and T will still remain our primary vendor. And the one we work with on a day to day basis, dish had struck a 10 year 5 billion wholesale deal. Oh, there are gonna be an MV O for at and T dish owns boost, mobile ting, mobile and Republic wireless that I didn't know. They've been buying up ting. They, I tht used to be two cows. They've been buying 'em up. They own boost mobile ting, mobile and Republic wireless. Wow. Okay. Wow.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:19:50):
Oh, ting was sold in August of 2020.

Leo Laporte (02:19:52):
Yeah. Yeah. They weren't advertising provides for a while. Yeah. Yeah. in fact, we still use ting for my father-in-law dish confirmed it sunk about 250 million into cost related to the CDMA shut down fiasco. So,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:20:12):
All right. Sorry. I just had to circle back on that cuz I was like, wait a second. Okay. Much respect if there's one thing I know it's spectrum

Leo Laporte (02:20:22):
<Laugh> T-Mobile was supposed to help dish create a competitive replacement for sprint, but they've been fighting ever since to sell regulators in their 26 billion mega merger T-Mobile and sprint executives told anyone who'd listened. The deal would provide near miraculous benefits. Economists were, were warned that you know, us telecom, mergers are problematic and promises or historically meaningless. And that the reduction in overall competitors was sooner or later result in higher prices. And job cuts us antitrust enforcers concocted, an elaborate work around this is from the verge. They would erect dish network as the nation's new fourth major wireless carrier under the planned dish received some T-Mobile spectrum. They that's how they got boost mobile. And the insurance at T-Mobile would help dish run a mobile virtual network operator. But then they got in a fight and now they're replacing T-Mobile with at and T what a mess. You don't want to be a telecom reporter.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:21:24):
I was a telecom. I know it was super fun.

Leo Laporte (02:21:26):
Was it? Gosh, it seems like

Stacey Higginbotham (02:21:29):
There are such characters.

Leo Laporte (02:21:30):
Love they're characters. Yeah. That's right.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:21:33):
<Laugh> I mean, I don't know the other it's way more fun than being like a social media reporter.

Leo Laporte (02:21:39):
Yeah, I agree. No I no. And it's, it's chewier. There's more to, and

Stacey Higginbotham (02:21:44):
There's physics and you can't argue with physics and I love that. Cause people will be like, we're gonna do this. And I'm like, how would you do that? Right. That doesn't make sense.

Leo Laporte (02:21:53):
Right, right. Let's see. Oh my God, we gotta get going here. Let's try. Let's do the change log. Why don't we do that? Let's for time, time sake. You remember this? We used to do this all the time.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:22:09):
The Google change log.

Leo Laporte (02:22:14):
Yes. Google news is 20 years old and you're right. It is part of our change log today because, but it's only on the desktop. The redesign has a new fresh look and a brand new briefing and customized topic. Shall we try it out? Da da, da, da, da, da. Oh, that's yeah. Looks just like the,

Jeff Jarvis (02:22:39):
Ruin it with

Leo Laporte (02:22:39):
Dark mode. Oh, okay. Let me see if I can change that for you. Geez. Keep it on dark mode just for, yeah. Let's see. Oh, I can't. You care about your eyes. Never, never dark theme. Oh, so bright and there be light doesn't that hurt your eyes painful. Just painful. So yeah, the battery life slipping. Was it foolish of them to do the top of your top five stories? Cuz I like that feature. They don't do that anymore. I do think that Google, you know what? I am gonna use this page more. I do feel like this is a good summary of kind of the things that I, you

Jeff Jarvis (02:23:18):
Know, what I have to do. I don't know if it's gonna be better now when, when I, cause I, when I do my research to, to clutter up the rundown every, every week I go in and I used to type in Google in Google news and I got, eh, that's that's better now. Cause what I, if you actually just search for the word Google and then go to the news tab, it's better. It's much. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:23:46):
It's different. That's the old, that's the real original Google news.

Jeff Jarvis (02:23:50):
Yes. I hope they don't deprecate it cuz sh something Google didn't kill yet.

Leo Laporte (02:23:56):
So what do you do? You search for

Jeff Jarvis (02:23:58):
Search for the word? Google.

Leo Laporte (02:23:59):
Google you search Google. You're an idiots for Google, but you hit news.

Jeff Jarvis (02:24:03):
Click on news.

Leo Laporte (02:24:04):
And this is the old Google news.

Jeff Jarvis (02:24:06):
This is the old Google news. Much better on the, on the search. You

Leo Laporte (02:24:09):
Yeah. Much better. No, this is news about Google. I like this dude. This is not

Jeff Jarvis (02:24:13):
Well, no, that's what I meant. It's news about Google.

Leo Laporte (02:24:16):
<Laugh> it's not what Google news is.

Jeff Jarvis (02:24:18):
Well no, no. Then put in Facebook. This is how I get a better search on Google news. Cuz the Google news search is sucky.

Leo Laporte (02:24:29):
Who's on first. So you're saying if I go to, as I am now news, do and search for Google. Google,

Jeff Jarvis (02:24:37):
You gotta, you got a yucky search result.

Leo Laporte (02:24:40):
I don't know. Looks pretty good to me.

Jeff Jarvis (02:24:42):
Well, but it's not very deep. If you now go to the other one, it has a lot more.

Leo Laporte (02:24:47):

Jeff Jarvis (02:24:47):
And also also brings them into the, into the clusters of stories.

Leo Laporte (02:24:51):
It's you know, it's brave of Google because I mean, among other stories it's like is Google dying from the Atlantic? The

Jeff Jarvis (02:24:58):
Atlantic hot takes from

Leo Laporte (02:24:59):
The Atlantic hot take get 'em while they're hot, Google faces second fine in rush, over band content. You know, yeah. They leave all this, they leave all the stuff and good for them. I like

Jeff Jarvis (02:25:10):
Also Google news is back in Spain. After an eight year

Leo Laporte (02:25:13):
Hiatus, I saw that they made a deal it's

Jeff Jarvis (02:25:15):
Siesta. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:25:16):
They're happy. So there is a for UAB in the new Google news. Let's just see what they think I'd be interested in. <Laugh> see how accurate here's what? The nothing phones. Real lights. Rear lights do. Okay. A Sonoma town hit 106 degrees yesterday. Yeah. I'm I'm interested. Oh hot. Are you? And then, oh boy. The, the, every everybody Daisy and Gary shock everyone at the below exhaling yacht season three reunion. It's gotcha. Who knows? They know me. Flight drops the mic. I'll pretend I'm not reading that story later. Flight cancellations, weather and staffing. Yes they know because Google knows that I am flying next to you. I'm flying. They know that. Right. Google password manager now is an Android home screen. Shortcut. Wait a minute. They that's. That should be in the change log. Yeah. And reviews the map book pro Tesla. So they're pretty, that's pretty good actually. And knowing what I'm interested in, a lot of local stuff there.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:14):
Wait, what? What's happening with the queen?

Leo Laporte (02:26:17):
<Laugh> no, that's my news. Not yours. All right. You wanna know?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:20):
Oh, I guarantee the Queens on my news.

Leo Laporte (02:26:21):
Yeah. Where you saw queen Elizabeth appears to have gotten a post platinum Jubilee haircut. Oh

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:30):
<Laugh> I, I thought, you know, maybe she had

Leo Laporte (02:26:32):
Got a haircut. Aw. This is people magazine.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:36):
I don't need to care about the haircut

Leo Laporte (02:26:37):
By the way I have, did they ever put the episode that we played the Paddington, the bear clip with queen Elizabeth in? Did they ever put loud that back on YouTube or is it still blocked? No, they took that down. They took it down. No was taken down. Okay. So kidding. There were two people were mad at us demolition man. Cuz I played a little clip of demolition. Ma'am you may remember there's three weeks ago. But we said no, no that's fair use. And they said, yeah, I guess nobody's watching the movie. So okay. And, and by the way, all I don't understand why they would even want us to take it down. I played literally 10 seconds that makes people watch the movie that doesn't replace watching the movie. What are you nuts? Yeah, but I did play in full patting to the bear taking tea with the queen. Cause I thought that's newsworthy and surely everybody else is playing it. It got us. Not only we didn't get a strike. Right. They took it down. Bam. But it's here

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:35):
Now. Geez.

Leo Laporte (02:27:36):
I see it. Yeah. Is it back? Oh good. Thank you studio canal. They own Paddington, but I, so I hope they're not gonna take down the Queen's new haircut. I think it just looks like she kind of brushed it back a little bit. That's all it actually doesn't look like a very good haircut. It looks like a terrible haircut. Yeah. No

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:53):
That's all. Okay. She's 96. Just we don't care. She's you know,

Leo Laporte (02:27:58):
Apparently moving on people really care. I love the queen. God bless her.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:02):
Oh yeah. I'm I'm just like, we're not gonna just harsh on an old woman's haircut. No,

Leo Laporte (02:28:07):
It's beautiful. It's it's beautiful. Did to our queen. Yeah. No she's she's awesome. She's fantastic. Every comp country should have billionaires in running them. I think. Think I just, you know, it's a good thing. Google's password, man. Wait a minute. How did that happen? Google's password manager now has an Android home screen shortcut. Yes. Google news knew. Is this a, is this a widget? I guess it is. Google play service has got an update. You can access your passwords. See, I don't put my password manager on the front page cuz I feel like that's just asking for trouble.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:50):

Leo Laporte (02:28:50):
Right? Pretend you don't have one. Don't make it too easy. Wait,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:55):
Is this the Chrome password storage that you're not supposed to be using anyway? Or is this, does Google have their own like last pass service?

Leo Laporte (02:29:02):
Oh I 

Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:07):
I'm sorry. You're gonna have to read the article. Leo <laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:29:11):
<Laugh> yeah, no it's not Chrome. It's there is a pass go to settings. Privacy autofill service from Google passwords, click the gear, add a shortcut. 

Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:29):
No Google password manager is what they're storing your stuff in Chrome in. Okay. So this is Google pet. It's the same thing. So if you store something in Chrome, you end up storing it in your Google password manager. So it's giving you the link to

Leo Laporte (02:29:42):
That. You can go to and see them. They have on device encryption don't which got added. Don't do it though. Right?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:51):
Well I guess if there's on device encryption, I mean they do make you add like before you can see any of your passwords, you do have to

Leo Laporte (02:29:57):
Verify, right? Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:58):
Put your,

Leo Laporte (02:30:00):
It used to be, you could see it in the clear in the browser and Google's answer to that. Yes. Really. This was not too long ago. Google's answer to that is, well you, you know, you're on the device. Of course you can like, well you must be authenticated. Yeah. That was not a good answer. So obviously they've taken it more seriously cuz yeah, it used to be in the clear, which was really a good reason not to use it. Oh here's the answer to your question. Chrome 1 0 3 replaces built in password list with Android's default manager. So Android does in fact have a password manager separate from Chrome.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:30:37):
Oh my God.

Leo Laporte (02:30:39):
But it's only on Android.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:30:41):
This explains why I'm always and I switched to last pass, but God, everywhere I'm at, I'm just constantly entering passwords, pass keys. Like

Leo Laporte (02:30:50):
That's my I'm hoping my whole life I'm praying PA keys just takes over the world. Although yesterday on the security now Steve Gibson, once again raised issues with PAKEs the chief of which is, and, and the final Alliance says, yeah, we haven't really figured out how to do this. It's non portable. So if you set up PAs keys with your apple device, you're stuck, you can't move to an Android device and vice versa. And they, and, and the, the final Alliance says, yeah, it would, would be insecure to allow exported passport passwords. So we're not gonna cool, but every password manager does allow exported passwords for this very reason. I think it's a very important feature. So here I am, I went to and these are passwords saved in my Google account. And they are to apps as well as to webpages mm-hmm <affirmative> so that's good. There's only

Stacey Higginbotham (02:31:42):
Of, you're not supposed to use those.

Leo Laporte (02:31:43):
I mean, oh, I don't. This is from old. This is old. Let, this is like,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:31:47):
You can do it for things like your jacuzzi because that's insecure anyway, but don't do

Leo Laporte (02:31:51):
It for like your banking is nuts. It's already insecure. Yeah. Your fried anyway. So that's in Chrome, 1 0 3 Google password manager. Wow. This whole show's about it. The whole change log, Google password manager starts offering on device encryption. I just mentioned that on Android, iOS and Chrome. So it is cross platform. Maybe this isn't a bad choice.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:32:18):
No, the issue is when things are stored in the browser,

Leo Laporte (02:32:22):
But they're not, this is, this is, this is a new thing. This is not Chrome's password manager. This is a new thing.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:32:31):
Okay. Maybe I don't know.

Leo Laporte (02:32:34):
Yeah. And it's done on a device. Well, yeah, because it's, it's not just in Chrome is the point. 

Stacey Higginbotham (02:32:40):
Cause what is it? The emotive net or something. What virus emote to net browser,

Leo Laporte (02:32:47):
The encryption key used to access your passwords is safely stored in your Google account. So Google has access to it and Google then uses this key to decrypt your passwords on device encryption cannot be removed once, set up and can be enabled on multiple devices.

Leo Laporte (02:33:05):
I, you know, we got, I have to investigate this more, but it sounds like Google has kind of beefed up its its password manager beyond Chrome. It's now, you know, device wide. It has on device encryption sounds pretty good. At least it's a, yeah, this does sound. It's a choice. It's better. Let's put it that way. I mean, I think you're right to use last pass or bit warden, our sponsor or some third party, but Google TV profiles are here. I sign in my Google TV this morning and it said, Hey, profiles are here. Who are you? And I said, I'm Leo. And I said, good. <Laugh> now you can click, switch account and add other people to your profile. And they can have their own settings and their own memorized shows and so forth. And so on. I actually quite like Google TV that's in the newest Chromecast and I think it's quite good. I'm very happy with it. It's just like what the other apps are doing except yeah. Everybody else does it have a platform, right. Right,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:34:09):
Right. Although it's super fun to like totally mess with your family. Like how, how many of y'all will watch something like Bridgeton on my husband's Netflix? Oh

Leo Laporte (02:34:19):
My God. Oh, that's so mean stop. Oh my gosh. Ooh. That is mean, oh, you know, you might wanna watch episode four, a Bridgeton. You've been enjoying it so far.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:34:29):
Good. How do you feel about Outlander? And then he's like, oh, this looks interesting. And then he is like, oh,

Leo Laporte (02:34:33):
It's a romance show. Really? Do you? I just watch like housewife period, period piece romance shows. That's your, that's your jam.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:34:42):
It's not my only jam. Oh, okay. Yeah. I am like sci-fi period romance. Yeah. British murder mysteries.

Leo Laporte (02:34:49):
Me too in spectrum

Stacey Higginbotham (02:34:51):
And spectrum <laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:34:54):
If there were a TV show about don't forget the chips, radio frequency spectrum. It would be a hit with one person <laugh> Stacy hanging about them. Finally. Google maps, dark mode appears broken on Android. Auto. Yay. God. There is a God <laugh> come on. When you're in driving in your car, you want dark mode. You don't want the don't it'll blind you at night. It no, no. Yeah. You, you don't want that at night. Mr. Jars, that blind. You really bad. Actually. You're not gonna like this because it's, it's broken in the sense that it's stuck in dark mode. <Laugh> I never put it in

Stacey Higginbotham (02:35:31):
Dark, like happen

Leo Laporte (02:35:32):
To me. Oh, okay. All right. Well I I don't use the Android auto anyway. I like my CarPlay. I admit it. I admit it. And that's the Google change line. And just for Stacey, why America will lose semiconductors, tangible bipartisan solutions for solving a national security crisis. Stacey. Hi bought them. Has the story.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:36:08):
I put that in their no, I Don

Leo Laporte (02:36:10):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:36:10):
Why? Why bring politics into snake? Knucks? They're so pure and good.

Leo Laporte (02:36:15):
Oh, that's true. So we really have been do I did not know this, but we have been dominant up to now all the, not only the, the, you know, the companies, but the, the the conductor semiconductor equipment companies, the design companies, the software companies, all us based the biggest ones. The best known ones.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:36:37):
Yeah. We got really worried about it. And that's why we, we started to see equipment manufacturing go overseas. Right. We freaked out. We created Subec. And that was in the what? Late eighties, early nineties. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:36:50):
That dominance is shifting away rights. The author of this Subec piece, Dylan Patel to the two countries oppose as geopolitical risks, us share of chip manufacturing is an all time low, thanks to TSMC and Samsung and others. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> the us will lose the semiconductor industry unless immediate action has taken, this is a national security crisis.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:37:14):
So, so the reason we lost it is because it is so freaking expensive and wall street, punishes companies for investing in these long term. I mean, this is like basically saying, yeah, capitalism is dumb when it comes to R and D and that's gonna cost us in the long term. Capitalism is bad for long investments.

Leo Laporte (02:37:35):
Yep. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:37:35):
We suck at that.

Leo Laporte (02:37:36):
Yep. He that's, by the way, that's what he's saying. Us private market of venture capital and angel investing is completely off its rocker, investing in software platform based tech companies, you know, the Ubers of the world while this type of investing is fine. These same venture capital and angel investors have completely ignored the semiconductor and hardware space. Well, that's you reap what you sew.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:38:06):
Is it waffle time?

Leo Laporte (02:38:08):
Yeah, sure. Let me do the the final space is like advert and then we can do picks of the week. Yeah, I apologize.

Ant Pruitt (02:38:17):
I have a great pick stand corrected. I thought our show was from three weeks ago, but it was actually

Leo Laporte (02:38:23):
Two weeks another

Ant Pruitt (02:38:24):
Week. So it's still, it's

Leo Laporte (02:38:26):
Still, it's still, it'll never come back Paddington. Yeah. When it comes to business, geez is a shark. Sorry. I'm

Ant Pruitt (02:38:33):
Sorry. I think I might have gotten you to play that.

Leo Laporte (02:38:35):
I'm sorry. No, no. You know what? I play it. I, I knew no that that could, but the problem is I don't like the chilling effect of this content ID. And so I'm not gonna play that game. Yeah. And the good news is we're fortunate because we don't, the bulk of our revenue comes from sources other than YouTube. I mean, we take a financial hit, but it's not a, it's not a huge one. And I, you know, it's a few thousand bucks and I don't for me I far prefer not to not to count outta the chilling effects we do. And all of our producers yell at me. You know, everybody yells at me. They say, don't play that. You're gonna get us taken down. No comment, but that's, I'm not gonna bow to that kind of BS. It's we have a fair use, right. To play it. It's news coverage. We're covering that story. And it's fair use, but you know, that's not how content, I think most

Ant Pruitt (02:39:27):
Of the time the appeal works.

Leo Laporte (02:39:29):
Most of, most of the time it does. And if somebody like this you know studio canal, if they said, Nope, take it down. Did we take it down? I don't know. Did, did we get a strike? I don't think we got a strike, but

Ant Pruitt (02:39:40):
I think they did take no, sir, no

Leo Laporte (02:39:41):
Strike. That's the thing that really has a chilling effect, cuz three strikes and you're out. And that would affect not just this show, but all of our shows. So that would be bad. Ladies and gentlemen, I wanna show you something really awesome that saving the planet, saving my wallet and giving me a great product. I love. And I'm talking about blue land. Did you know that an estimated 5 billion, plastic hand soap and cleaning bottles are thrown away every year and they live in the landfill forever. They don't, they don't biodegrade. You can't recycle 'em wouldn't it be cool if you could order beautiful high quality bottles for your cleaning products and refill them time after time. So you don't throw them out. Well, that's what blue land does. Furthermore, blue land helps the planet because in almost every case, these cleaning products are 90% water.

Leo Laporte (02:40:35):
So we're trucking around water for no reason at all wasting energy wasting resources. All blue land does is, you know, you buy the beautiful bottle Instagramable bottles. This is the multi-surface cleaner, nice lightweight plastic bottle, good cleaner bottle, right? Or for the hands up. They're beautiful heavy glass because you don't want 'em to fall over. When you pump 'em you, you buy the bottles you use 'em forever. And when you run out, they send you, this is the active ingredients, a little tablet. You fill the bottle with warm water. You put in the active ingredients. It fizzes it dissolves. Now this is exactly the same. It is a high quality cleaning product, but you didn't ship all that water all around the country and you're not throwing out these beautiful bottles. Blueland was founded on the belief and I I'm a hundred percent.

Leo Laporte (02:41:26):
But with them that a cleaner planet starts by eliminating plastic waste. We're trying to do that throughout our lifestyle and by creating powerful, effective cleaners for the entire home, there's really no reason to do it. They have toilet bowl tablets you put in there. They're so good. We use their laundry detergent, their little tablets for that, no plastic. We use their their hand soap in every sink of the house and they smells great. By the way, there's some wonderful sense. Iris agave, lavender, eucalyptus and they have special sense for seasonal holidays and so forth. They smell so good. They do the job. They have scent free. By the way, we use their scent free laundry soap. They have dishwasher, soap. They have dish was detergent. All of this without the waste, these beautiful high quality forever bottles start at $10. When you buy a kit, they're meant to be reused forever. The refills are $2 and less. That's all for a whole fresh new bottle. Compare that to what you pay in the store.

Leo Laporte (02:42:33):
The it saves you all. The only thing you're gonna throw away is your, your outdated notion that earth friendly stuff doesn't work. It works. It works and it works great. It saves you money. I love this. I love this blue land. B L U E L a N D. A great housewarming gift. You know, you could give it to dad a late father's day gift Right now you get 20% off your first order. Blueland.Com/TWIG, 20% off your first order of any Blueland product. But you know what? Mom we'll love this. We love it. We use it throughout the Laport house. We even use it in our bathroom here. Blueland.Com/T w IG. I love a blue land. You will too. And you will love the feeling that you get from doing the right thing. Stacey H is so excited. She's so excited about her pick of the week, this week. What is it?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:43:37):
It is not connected. Y'all

Leo Laporte (02:43:39):
It's unconnected.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:43:40):
It's my husband. Yeah, it's unconnected, but it's my father or it's my husband's father's day present. 

Leo Laporte (02:43:46):
What did he get?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:43:47):
So I played with this at a friend's.

Leo Laporte (02:43:50):
I hope you didn't give him a vacuum cleaner or household cleaners.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:43:53):
<Laugh> no, I'm gonna, so here's

Leo Laporte (02:43:55):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:43:55):
The device.

Leo Laporte (02:43:56):
Oh, wait a minute. Take what is that? Don't tell anybody what it is. Let us guess.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:44:02):
Okay. Yeah, this one's, I've

Leo Laporte (02:44:04):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:44:04):
Seen it because

Leo Laporte (02:44:06):
You know it,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:44:07):
If you, I, I, this time I actually did plug it in to the thing. 

Leo Laporte (02:44:13):
Is it a waffle maker?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:44:15):
It is not.

Leo Laporte (02:44:16):
It is. Is it a hammer? <Laugh> is it a meat grinder? It looks like it turns sleek. Oh, oh, it's a shave ice maker. So you put that in your KitchenAid. Oh, I have to have this. So, oh my God.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:44:36):
Because most shaved ice. And I'm gonna talk about the downsides. So most shaved ice is real

Leo Laporte (02:44:43):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:44:44):
Too. Chippy,

Leo Laporte (02:44:45):
Too. Chip chippy. Chippy.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:44:46):
Yeah. Like the ice is not the right consistency.

Leo Laporte (02:44:48):
No, they do it somehow in Hawaii. They do it. It's soft. It's beautiful.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:44:52):
So, yes, it's, it's a fi they have a blade in here that's just for the fine ground and it's softened.

Leo Laporte (02:44:57):
It's fluffy

Stacey Higginbotham (02:44:59):
And it, it does make it that way.

Leo Laporte (02:45:01):
So that is the best father's day gift I've ever heard of.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:05):
It is $99.

Leo Laporte (02:45:07):
Did you give him a fun array of father's flavors? Like, yes, I did tobacco and leather. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:14):
Oh, wait, no

Leo Laporte (02:45:16):
Leather. I got, what flavors did you oh, nice. You know what I would want though, is kind of like, can I use like regular, real fruit and stuff instead of like sugar syrup and things? I guess I could, you

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:28):
Could, I mean, it's ice, you can

Leo Laporte (02:45:30):
Dump. It's just ice. Just ice. Yeah. This is so cool. Stacy. I'm buying this right now. Cause we have a, so here everybody should have a KitchenAid. Everybody I'd like to

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:39):
Have one of those. Do you wanna know the bad? The bad of it?

Leo Laporte (02:45:42):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:43):
Okay. The bad is you have to use these. It comes with four little cups. These are special

Leo Laporte (02:45:48):
Molds. Oh, they have to go on it.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:51):
Yeah. And you have to freeze to, they have to freeze for like 12 to 24 hours. Oh. And there's only four of them. And I feel that if you have a large family or want more shaved ice, you're

Leo Laporte (02:46:02):
Gonna need more. That's a negative. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:46:05):
So that is, that is the downside.

Leo Laporte (02:46:08):
Well, that's why they do this. So there won't melt.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:46:12):
I mean, it's shaved ice

Leo Laporte (02:46:14):
It's but wait a minute here. She's shaving it into a regular bowl.

Jeff Jarvis (02:46:17):
No, no, no. It's the ice. That being

Leo Laporte (02:46:19):
Shaved. Oh, the ice has to be. Oh, I see. Yeah. Cuz they have to fit in. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it was the bowl. Oh. So you're just gonna run outta shave ice when you, when you do all of these,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:46:28):
See, see that. But there's only four of those in there. Oh. And so you can only make four kind of small issue.

Jeff Jarvis (02:46:33):
Could you freeze a bunch of them in advance, Stacy?

Leo Laporte (02:46:36):
Yeah. There you

Stacey Higginbotham (02:46:37):
Go. Oh yeah. I got, oh, look at you, Jeff.

Leo Laporte (02:46:40):
<Laugh> Mr. Logical

Stacey Higginbotham (02:46:42):

Ant Pruitt (02:46:43):

Leo Laporte (02:46:45):
Shave ice. So there you go. For the whole family. I love it. I mean, it's such a funny it's I mean, it does one thing itself and one thing only it shaves ice. Yes. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:46:58):
But okay. But no, the Snoopy, okay. This is like a better Snoopy cuz the Snoopy is too chippy.

Leo Laporte (02:47:05):
No, I had this when I was somebody saying, oh wait a minute, you just get the Snoopy snow cone machine. But that's the difference. That's a snow cone. A snow cone does not equal a shaved ice.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:47:16):
And this will make that by the way.

Leo Laporte (02:47:18):
<Laugh> one. It has a snow cone setting.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:47:20):
Yeah, it does. It has two settings. One is the, like the softer one and one is the

Leo Laporte (02:47:24):
Yeah. Shave ice is a very different beast and I love shaved ice. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> see. That's a snow cone. So you could see the ice crystals they're larger. And then the shave ice is more like that. See that? Oh, shave ice

Ant Pruitt (02:47:36):

Leo Laporte (02:47:37):
It's better than it's like sherbet almost right. That's

Jeff Jarvis (02:47:42):
So what, so you mix, I think

Ant Pruitt (02:47:43):
Last year he got something risky related. I'm I'm I'm pretty jealous

Leo Laporte (02:47:48):
Stuff. He's very to Stacy,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:47:50):
A decent gift

Leo Laporte (02:47:51):
Gift. He's the luckiest man in the world. Are you kidding me? Yeah. So you only get four of these for freezing the ice. That's that is a little,

Jeff Jarvis (02:47:57):
But you just, you just freeze them and put them

Leo Laporte (02:48:00):
Back. But as Jeff Jarvis is pointed out, you could make, you know, hundreds.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:48:03):
Jeff. That was brilliant. I'm I'm definitely like, oh, why didn't I think of that? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:48:07):
My book

Jeff Jarvis (02:48:07):
Recommendations and my ice recommendations cannot be beat. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (02:48:11):
Good work.

Leo Laporte (02:48:15):
So that's my thing. And if you don't have a KitchenAid, you need to get the KitchenAid not included. So you gotta get, yeah, you gotta get the KitchenAid. This is, which is like 400 bucks, but okay. Nevermind. It's cheaper than a Thermo mix and that's what really counts and they never break by the way I've had, I've had my KitchenAid for 40. I'm not kidding. 40 years. It's so old. It's avocado colored.

Ant Pruitt (02:48:36):
Mm that's an

Leo Laporte (02:48:37):
Old one. That's an old one.

Ant Pruitt (02:48:39):
<Laugh> that's an old one.

Leo Laporte (02:48:40):
That's how you know you're old. When you have burnt orange <laugh> kitchen, avocado

Ant Pruitt (02:48:45):

Leo Laporte (02:48:47):
Jeff Jarvis. Do you have a number for us?

Jeff Jarvis (02:48:51):
Oh yeah. I got various things. I didn't know that there was once a paint made from mummies, but I'm not gonna do that one.

Leo Laporte (02:48:59):
Ooh, what color is it?

Jeff Jarvis (02:49:00):
Kellogg's breaking up is interesting, but I don't think that fits audio book growth by 25%. Who cares? I think the TikTok Italian sandwich guy.

Leo Laporte (02:49:12):
I knew you'd get the tick. Not related. <Laugh> Doto

Jeff Jarvis (02:49:18):
Go, go to the one. Forget the first three. Go to one. Of'em where he is just making a sandwich. That was whether he's got a piece of his hand on

Leo Laporte (02:49:23):
Bread. Okay. Just go

Jeff Jarvis (02:49:24):
To one. Just go to one

Leo Laporte (02:49:27):

Speaker 7 (02:49:28):
Oh yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:49:30):
Ah, yeah. Huh. So he is in a shop. Green tomato ham. You know the trick on this is just a beautiful piece of French bread. The olive oil

Speaker 7 (02:49:55):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:49:55):
It's not French bread. It's gotta be

Leo Laporte (02:49:56):
Italian bread. Well it's tight, obviously. French crunchy Italian bread. That's it.

Speaker 7 (02:50:01):

Leo Laporte (02:50:01):
At another. It's not exactly salt Hank, but okay. Okay. Yeah. I know. There's a nice peasant loaf though. That's a beautiful loaf. Look at that. Oh, is that beautiful? Oh, isn't that beautiful? I need that. Mm-Hmm oh, this is good. I don't care what you put on that. You could put shoe leather on it. It's gotta be delicious straight sandwich. Oh my God. What is that?

Jeff Jarvis (02:50:21):

Leo Laporte (02:50:21):
Maybe I never saw anything like that. This looks like fish skin and then all little Bera, something like that.

Jeff Jarvis (02:50:30):
Mozzarella mozzarella we

Leo Laporte (02:50:32):
Say, yeah. Can I sell, send salt Hank over to that's it. It's not fancy. That's it. It's not a fancy sandwich. One

Jeff Jarvis (02:50:39):
More. Just do one more.

Leo Laporte (02:50:40):
It just stuff, stuff on bread. Okay. That's a melon. That's not bread or a squash.

Jeff Jarvis (02:50:48):
It's cheese.

Leo Laporte (02:50:49):
Squashes. Squa. It's a squash it's cheese,

Speaker 7 (02:50:54):

Leo Laporte (02:50:55):
Oh, it is cheese hold you. Oh, I'm moving to Italy right now. Right now. Never coming back. Take me with you. Oh, the best food in the world. Oh my. I want to go to this guy. I like how it takes the soft bread. Stacey's ice. Yeah. Oh, I don't know what that is, but there's 

Stacey Higginbotham (02:51:14):
Is that a top and Nu,

Leo Laporte (02:51:15):
I don't know what the hell that is. The onions. It looks like. Maybe I love, he just throws his stuff on. Even doesn't lay it on. He's not, no, this is not fancy. This is not Chrissy. This is a sand witch. How do you say you want to go?

Jeff Jarvis (02:51:30):
There you

Leo Laporte (02:51:30):
Go. Oh, that's perfect. That's perfection. Isn't

Jeff Jarvis (02:51:33):

Leo Laporte (02:51:33):
Isn't it. Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:51:34):
You, I think it does need a spread of some sort.

Leo Laporte (02:51:37):
That's the olive one.

Jeff Jarvis (02:51:38):
He has a pesto on one of them put a lot of pesto on one of

Leo Laporte (02:51:41):
Em. Oh, okay. Oh, all right. I'm sending this to Hank. Oh, because Hank's got twice as many followers, but Hank's gonna say amateurs. Amateurs, amateurs. <Laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (02:51:52):
Well, the t-shirt and the accent

Leo Laporte (02:51:53):
Help. He doesn't edit. It's just one shot. But given that he doesn't really put any work into it. He just got half million followers. I think it's, he's doing okay. He

Stacey Higginbotham (02:52:01):
Doesn't look like a man who edits

Leo Laporte (02:52:03):
<Laugh> looks like a man who flings me. I'm not editing this. I'm not editing. That's awesome. Mr. Aunt Pruit, your pick of the week.

Ant Pruitt (02:52:14):
All right. I if you're looking at my camera right now, I have what's called a pro missed filter on the lens. Oh. And what that does is basically soften my image because yes, we want a lot of pretty pixels and the image to be crispy and so forth. But some of these cameras, they have you a little too sharp. Yeah. Yeah. And this filter will just soften it a little bit. And it'll also help the lights bloom such as that one behind me makes it bloom a little bit and it'll look a little bit better and you can get this one from Tiffin. That's the one that I use and yeah, they're not cheap. I recommend the one eighth. If you go with one fourth or, or, or bigger, it starts to get a little too sort of hazy looking. And for those that said, Hey, that thing is too expensive moment. As recommended by one of our club ti TWI members, he recommended the moment CBL, which looks like it does the same thing when it's, and it's just a couple bucks cheaper. So

Leo Laporte (02:53:15):
Well, moments are made for camera phones. Well, they

Ant Pruitt (02:53:18):
Have some they have DSLR bar,

Leo Laporte (02:53:21):
Like, oh, they do. Oh, alright. I can know that. Oh yeah. Look at that. So it gets the lights to bloom more. I find if I just breathe on my lens a little bit, it's gonna look like that. <Laugh> rub

Ant Pruitt (02:53:32):
A little, sometimes that helps, but when it's a hundred degrees outside,

Leo Laporte (02:53:36):
It doesn't matter. Nice. Yeah. I think too sharp is not, we're getting used to the too sharp though. I mean, that's kind of the style now. Everything's

Ant Pruitt (02:53:44):
Well, it's like camera that I got. Yeah. It was just,

Leo Laporte (02:53:47):
You could go

Ant Pruitt (02:53:47):
Really high

Leo Laporte (02:53:48):
On sharp. Yeah. It's too sharp. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (02:53:50):
Mm-Hmm I demoed, it was one of the caning cameras last year and it, it, it hurt me pulling the, the video up into the editor. I was like, man, that's just way too crispy.

Leo Laporte (02:54:01):
Isn't that funny?

Ant Pruitt (02:54:02):
It's cuz I didn't have any type of filter on the front of it to, you know, cut it back some,

Leo Laporte (02:54:06):
So get a missed filter

Ant Pruitt (02:54:07):
Next. Yeah. Missed filters. They're highly underrated. In my opinion. Next is the folks at Adobe had their summer premier pro update. They basically tried to make it easier to do workspaces and, and create vertical video in your workspace. Like right now I had a preset built in because I know I'm gonna work on something. That's a square video versus something that's a, a real, I just have little presets already built in and it's like, you know what? This is the future. Let's just go ahead and put these presets in there for everybody. So that's one thing and they had us some performance updates and whatnot, but I thought that was cool. And lastly, capture one is an Adobe Lightroom alternative in the photography space. They had some updates including wireless tether tethering, an iPad app and a, a, a tandem app that allows you to share your live shoot with a client that's on set or even online. So they can see some of the shots and make suggestions to your frame in and stuff like that.

Leo Laporte (02:55:15):
Very nice aunt Pruitt, aunt Pruitt on Instagram and underscore Pruit Pruit. Yep. Make sure you get the underscore aunt for his NFTs. And of course, O P. Why you laughing?

Ant Pruitt (02:55:32):
No, no, no, not the NFTs. The, the old school NFTs aunt

Leo Laporte (02:55:38):
Prince. Oh, you mean like you could hang him up on your wall,

Ant Pruitt (02:55:41):
Old school Ft, man.

Jeff Jarvis (02:55:43):
You actually own something.

Leo Laporte (02:55:44):
It's a guy on Twitter who tweeted. I have a bunch of NFTs. Of course I I right. Clicked and downloaded them, but <laugh> is yeah. Well, that's probably just as good. Sorry to keep you so long. What a fun show though, as always, I hate to, I hate to end it aunt Pruit. <Laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (02:56:07):
Yeah. Let's keep going for another hour.

Leo Laporte (02:56:09):
I could

Jeff Jarvis (02:56:10):
Portrait station. I

Leo Laporte (02:56:11):
Love y'all, but I, I wouldn't do it for her. Don't hate

Stacey Higginbotham (02:56:13):
Ending the show at five 20 in

Leo Laporte (02:56:16):

Jeff Jarvis (02:56:16):
Afternoon's past my dinner time

Leo Laporte (02:56:17):
Here. Oh, I'm so sorry guys. I apologizes aunt Pruitt is our club leader at club twit. He he hangs out in the clubhouse, sets up things like we got a couple coming up, like our members fireside chat moved to July 28th coming up in a couple of weeks, Alex Lindsay and asked me anything Stacy's book club. The voting is on now, ends Friday. So get on over there and vote of course, the main benefit of club TWI is the ad free versions of all of our shows for that. It's just a mere seven bucks a month and then throw in the wonderful discord channel where great conversations are happening. All sorts of benefits in their access to our two TWI Minecraft servers, the untitled Linux show we've got the GI fizz. So the shows that we do live in the club will also end up in the trip plus feed like Stacy's book club, and that's another benefit.

Leo Laporte (02:57:10):
So there's a lot for seven bucks a month, we think it's a good deal. And it is one of the ways we are hedging against inflation and recession, both of which are headed our way <laugh> we can see the lay at the end of the tunnel, and unfortunately it's the oncoming train of recession. So please help us out. TWI do TV slash club TWI Jeff Jarvis. Thank you for being here. Director of the town height center for entrepreneurial journalism at the Craig Newmar graduate school of journalism. New at the mommy matched my PE city university of New York. Thank you, Jeff. Always a pleasure. You look good. I like this camera piece. Mommy may me match my mm, Ms. Mommy may, may match my nevermind match

Jeff Jarvis (02:57:57):
Or match

Leo Laporte (02:57:59):
<Laugh> you know, know, I think it's match. I think if you do it properly, something say mash. I hadn't heard mom made me mash Miami and I I'll mash Miami and button on that remote. Let's mash that remote mash, that button mash that remote and Stacey Higginbotham from Stacey on at giga Stacey on the Twitter box. She's also got that great podcast with Kevin TOEFL, the IOT podcast, and she is a purple haired amazing spectrum person. <Laugh> thank you, Stacy. Go enjoy your waffles, everybody we'll be back next week. Wednesday 2:00 PM. Pacific 5:00 PM. Eastern time, 2100 UTC live We'll see you then byebye. Mommy made me match my, I

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