This Week in Google 666, Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for TWIG This Week in Google, Stacey Higginbotham's back. Jeff Jarvis is here. Ant Pruitt is here and there is a lot to talk about right before the show began. Meta made the announcement that their chief operating officer Cheryl Sandberg is stepping down after 14 years. What does it mean for Meta and Mark? We'll talk about the Supreme court rejecting the Texas social media law, at least for now. And then lots of fun with TikTok giant lobsters and a Google change log that isn't awful. It's all coming up next on TWIG.

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Leo Laporte (00:01:59):
It's time for TWIG This Week in Google, the show where we cover ieverything, but Google and intense, intense inspection of all stories with the fabulous Jeff Jarvis, who is the Leonard tow professor for journalistic innovation at the Craig Newmark graduate school of journalism at the city, university of New York. Hello, Jeff? Hello. We're sending you a new camera. Well, you asked us about this Illumina camera. I

Jeff Jarvis (00:02:31):
Asked about a new camera and I thought you guys cuz you know everything I thought you'd know. And, and then next thing I know you're sending one my way, which not my intent. I swear, but thank you.

Leo Laporte (00:02:39):
No, I knew about it cuz it was a Kickstarter or an indieGogo or something and I looked at it and then apparently they, they you're gonna get a complimentary and I can't wait. I wanna be to fly on the wall for this

Jeff Jarvis (00:02:50):
One. I, I should, yeah, I should record it. Like no, no, no. You're still pink. Complimentary broken our camera.

Leo Laporte (00:02:55):
Yeah, let's see if they can get Jeff looking right. If

Jeff Jarvis (00:02:58):
They get this

Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:59):
Balance, he looks good today.

Leo Laporte (00:03:01):
Hey, wait a minute. Holy cow. It's Stacy. Higginbotham there. She as I live and breathe and, and so does

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:07):
She hello? Y'all

Leo Laporte (00:03:08):
She lives and breathes. Welcome back. We missed you. So darn much. Stacyoniot.Com is the website I'm thinking of you. She was stuck at the hotel Frisco <laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:21):
That was the it's the Omni hotel in Frisco.

Leo Laporte (00:03:24):
But the hotel Frisco sounds so much better.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:26):
It does sound so much better. You're

Leo Laporte (00:03:28):
Right. For two weeks quarantining, but now you're, you're safe to be out and about.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:36):
I am. I, well, I hope so. I've tested negative.

Leo Laporte (00:03:39):
Yay. I've just so we're so we were worried you really actually got, and I, you know, I, you don't have to talk about it if you don't want to.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:48):
I don't mind. I mean, I was tweeting throughout a huge portion of it cuz I'm like, I am so alone. I'm

Leo Laporte (00:03:53):
Not revealing. You were lonely in there in the, I mean, how many times can you watch the office from beginning to end? You've got it pretty bad though. You had a serious fever, lost your sense of smell and taste and, and this is and you're and you're vaccinated, right?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:07):
I, yeah, I'm triple VAX. I actually wore a mask and

Leo Laporte (00:04:11):
So just

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:11):

Leo Laporte (00:04:13):
Must be where

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:14):
Nice. I still have a sinus infection. So y'all I sound so bad.

Leo Laporte (00:04:17):
You too could be stuck for two weeks in the hotel. Frisco <laugh> yeah, it's an Eagles song. It's good. You'll like it <laugh> yeah. 

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:28):
Thankfully I made it out and

Leo Laporte (00:04:29):
We also welcome back. It's been a, it's been a little bit of a dry spell here, Aunt Pruitt, back from Hands-on Photography. Hey, Ant!

Ant Pruitt (00:04:37):
Hey sir. How you be, sir?

Leo Laporte (00:04:39):
It's good to see you Ant has actually outsourced and found soundproofing materials in the Clemson colors. So that's pretty cool. <Laugh> I don't know how you did that

Ant Pruitt (00:04:50):
Soundassured.Com. Oh nice. Val. There you go. Nice. Nice value sound, acoustic foam

Leo Laporte (00:04:55):
You know what? It sounds really good. It sounds sounds like you're just in this like chamber this soundproof chamber. <Laugh> it sounds really good.

Ant Pruitt (00:05:04):
Plus there's no dogs in here snore next to me. So that helps

Leo Laporte (00:05:06):
With, that helps

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:09):
Actually Ant Pruitt coming from the void.

Leo Laporte (00:05:11):
Yeah, he actually sounds better there than he does when he is in studio. <Laugh> that's kinda depressing. Oh, well, well big story broke at one o'clock this afternoon, just an hour ago, Sheryl Sandberg posted on Facebook. She is leaving Meta after 14 years today, I'm sharing the news that after 14 years I'll be leaving Meta. She, she says she didn't plan to stay this long. When I joined Facebook, I had a two year old son and a six month old daughter. I didn't know if this was the right time for a new and demanding role, but I wanted to give it a try. She said, I, you know, I didn't expect to stay more than five years, but she's ended up there. Chief operating officer at Meta. Mark Zuckerberg's right hand woman for 14 years she went through of course the passing of her husband Dave you know, some real ups and downs. And of course the, the challenge of running a company that's under constant scrutiny from the feds and from the public, the whistleblower and all of that survived. All of that.

Jeff Jarvis (00:06:22):
If she had left after five, six years, she could have got off lots of other things, but now she has kind of Facebook, cooties.

Leo Laporte (00:06:29):
She wrote a book called Lean In.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:31):
Like she has to work again.

Leo Laporte (00:06:32):
No, in fact, no, just in case you're interested. That's not what she's when I took this job in 2008, but I would hope I hoped it would. I would be in this role for five years, 14 years later. It's time for me to write the next chapter of my life. I'm not entirely sure what the future will bring except giant bags of money. I have learned no one ever is. <Laugh> no kidding. She didn't say that I have learned no one ever is, but I do know it will include focusing more on my foundation and philanthropic work, which is more important to me now. Cause I

Jeff Jarvis (00:07:03):
Have giant bags of money to give away

Leo Laporte (00:07:04):
Now than ever given how critical this moment is for women. And I think that the timing may have something to do with Roe V. Wade. I don't know. Also she's getting married in the summer. She says as Tom and I get married this summer parenting, our expanded family of five children who our next few months Mark and I will transition my direct reports. I'll leave the company this fall. She will stay, stay on the

Ant Pruitt (00:07:28):
I'm gonna run for office

Leo Laporte (00:07:29):
Y'all oh, that's

Jeff Jarvis (00:07:31):
What I was wondering. Do you think she can, do you think she gets, she has too many Facebook Cooties?

Ant Pruitt (00:07:34):
Yeah. no, she'll go some COOs or a thing.

Leo Laporte (00:07:39):
She missed the California primary, so she won't be on the ballot. Oh, she's got,

Jeff Jarvis (00:07:44):
But it just takes time. It

Leo Laporte (00:07:45):
Would've to be a national office. It would've to be, she could be the

Jeff Jarvis (00:07:49):
Replace Diane

Ant Pruitt (00:07:50):
Senate. It

Leo Laporte (00:07:51):
God, that, that might be the past because Diane Feinstein is getting on and it might be that she retires early and Gavin Newsome who I'm sure Cheryl Sandberg has very good ties with, would appoint her and that would eliminate an election. And then she'd have a couple of years to serve in the Senate before she had to run for office. That would be very interesting. Huh. Do you think she might, I

Ant Pruitt (00:08:18):
Don't think there would be as such thing as Facebook cooties as Mr. Jar. I don't think so mentioning no. I mean, considering how the rest of the, the governing bodies have been put into office here, regardless of their history and past or whatever, none of that stuff matters. It's just, you know, can you scratch the back of the right lobbyist at the right time kind of thing. And

Leo Laporte (00:08:40):
Also name recognition is

Ant Pruitt (00:08:42):
I was gonna say she has

Leo Laporte (00:08:43):
Name recognition. That's probably more important than anything, especially with women lean in, was a very popular bestselling book about how, how women should you know, forward, get moved forward in business and the world. So yeah, I do think politics is in her future. So what of

Jeff Jarvis (00:09:02):
One more form or another, she should, she could also get, be appointed to some federal position, you know, ambassador to somewhere or something. I think she wants something more than that. I think she wants something with some clout.

Leo Laporte (00:09:14):
Well, we could look up because it's public record Cheryl Sandberg's political contribution record.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:09:23):
Mm. Survey says, well, well it's, I mean, we could Facebook's most of Facebook's lobbying efforts are very right wing. So I would, it would kind of be

Leo Laporte (00:09:33):
Interesting. She she contributed quite a bit to Nancy Pelosi to women making history 2016, Lofgren, act blue, Amy Klobuchar, Hillary victory fund, very Democrat Bennett, Colorado victory fund Lehe for Senator committee. This is, this is just in 2016. I think the total is more than half a million. I'm sorry, is that right? 729,000 dollars in wait a minute. I can't. The dollar sign is in a strange position on this. I don't cause

Jeff Jarvis (00:10:11):
It's so far away from the

Leo Laporte (00:10:13):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:14):
There is. And you seen that many, like I donated $72.

Jeff Jarvis (00:10:18):
You broke it

Leo Laporte (00:10:20):
A hundred. I get it 171 donations in 2020 totalling 729,000 2018 for 25 the year before half.

Jeff Jarvis (00:10:28):
So 2020, I'm curious to see what, what

Leo Laporte (00:10:29):
Was that? Should we look at 2020s? All right. I have to move ahead. 1900 in January 1st, 1900. She gave money to think an hour <laugh> there's some, there appears to be an error in this database

Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:47):
<Laugh> it's database.

Leo Laporte (00:10:49):
Wow. 20, 20.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:51):
He was not adapted for Y two K.

Leo Laporte (00:10:52):
Yeah. Wow. I clicked the link. I clicked the link. Anna Shu. Who's Democrat act blue with Democrat. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:03):
SSU is that district mm-hmm

Leo Laporte (00:11:04):
<Affirmative> Tina Smith.

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:06):
Very trying to go after tech.

Leo Laporte (00:11:07):
Yeah. These are all, you know, the maximum, by the way, 2,800 bucks. She gave the Facebook pack, some money Nancy Pelosi. So yeah, very much liberal women vote Chris Koons in Delaware. So, yeah, but I don't see though, interestingly, Gavin Newsom but maybe I'm looking in the wrong year is just federal

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:30):

Leo Laporte (00:11:30):
It's everything. This is political. This is, you know, it's all public record.

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:34):
I know, but is it just, is there a separate listing for local, for state?

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:40):
There's separate reporting.

Leo Laporte (00:11:42):
This all is state, so I don't, but no, this is all over the country.

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:46):
Let me see. No, but I'm saying these are federal offices as

Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:49):
Opposed to those are federal offices as opposed to state

Leo Laporte (00:11:52):
Offices. Oh, I see. I see what you're saying.

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:53):
So there may be separate reporting for a state office, state

Leo Laporte (00:11:56):
Office. Okay.

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:58):
I don't know.

Leo Laporte (00:11:58):
Jackie spear people for Ben anyway. Ben who? Ben and Jerry, come on. Get with it. <Laugh> we only need first names here. She talks about mark throughout her post and Tom, her fiance who at first I thought was my space, Tom, but it turns out

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:18):
<Laugh> well, who was it? She was dating. Who was, who got in trouble recently, but she

Leo Laporte (00:12:24):
Was trying to full stories. Yeah. the what's the name? The CEO of activism.

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:29):
Activation. Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:12:30):

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:30):
That was not meant to be,

Leo Laporte (00:12:32):
She is engaged and we'll marry Tom Barenthal. Who is Bernthal who's the founder of a marketing company. Kelton global. She met through her brother-in-law Rob they'll have a blended family of seven.

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:46):
Brother-In-Law being

Leo Laporte (00:12:48):
Dave's brother

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:50):
Dave's brother.

Leo Laporte (00:12:50):
Wow. Her ex's not ex or her, her late husband's brother late.

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:54):

Leo Laporte (00:12:55):
So that's kind of nice. That's kind of nice. They got so

Jeff Jarvis (00:12:59):
Did you read Mark's post yet?

Leo Laporte (00:13:01):
No, let's see. What is

Jeff Jarvis (00:13:02):
Mark's he, I put up there it's it looks like a consolidation of power. He's not gonna replace Cheryl. It'll be a COO, but not a Cheryl COO, a pure revenue COO more stuff reports to mark.

Leo Laporte (00:13:14):
Remember when Nick cl took over global affairs we kind of thought, oh, this is a triumvirate. Mark runs runs the the technical side. Cheryl runs the operations and then Nick runs the outward facing governmental relations. So that's interesting without Cheryl

Jeff Jarvis (00:13:33):
He, yeah. So it's joined consolidation of power with

Leo Laporte (00:13:36):
Mark. I was only 23 years old and I knew barely anything about running a company. Cheryl architected, our ads business hired great people, forged our management comp culture taught me how to run a company.

Jeff Jarvis (00:13:47):
<Laugh> Seymour of mark Zuckerberg. Try logging in or creating a new account. Leo.

Leo Laporte (00:13:53):

Jeff Jarvis (00:13:54):

Leo Laporte (00:13:56):
No. Look how big that is by the way. That's that takes over half the

Jeff Jarvis (00:14:00):
Page slap.

Leo Laporte (00:14:01):
This is for those just listening. I, I am, I am reading a Facebook post, but I do not have an account. So Facebook is 

Jeff Jarvis (00:14:08):
It's a lower third is literally a lower third of the really yes. Sign in, sign up, be

Leo Laporte (00:14:14):
Schuck. One of the greatest legacies, the incredible team Cheryls built Nickle is president global affairs. Jennifer Newstead chief legal officer Javi, which is Javier Olivan. He runs let's see. Or

Jeff Jarvis (00:14:31):
He's for Instagram and Facebook. It looks

Leo Laporte (00:14:32):
Like, okay. Yeah,

Jeff Jarvis (00:14:33):
He's the revenue guy. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:14:35):
And actually he's, he's been in the news lately with Instagram. He'll become the next COO where he lead to the integrated ads and business products in additioning to leading infrastructure, integrity, just a little, just a little job analytics, marketing, corporate development and growth teams. Boy, geez. Hobby. I'll be getting a big,

Jeff Jarvis (00:14:53):
He's not Cheryl.

Leo Laporte (00:14:54):
Yeah. Yeah. But this role will be different from what Cheryl has done. It'll be more traditional COO role where he'll be focused internally and operationally. I think mark really has already moved his attention to VR to the metaverse and diverse. And so I really think that who's running the old legacy business is no longer that important to me. I would, I would guess as part of this Molly Cutler, our VP strategic response will join Ho's team and report to Naomi gly. Justin O Osofsky will report to Chris Cox who you remember came back was one of the founders of Facebook. So it is a bit of a reorg. This will happen this fall, but I really wonder how much mark worries about Facebook anymore, you know, is how important is that he's or cause

Jeff Jarvis (00:15:42):
It has COOs,

Leo Laporte (00:15:43):
Right? He spending,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:15:44):
He should worry about it because it's, it's gonna generate all of his revenue. Yeah. It's like AOL was which surprisingly, but what about, but we

Leo Laporte (00:15:55):
Do you think, I think maybe Cheryl and he kind of planned this saying, Cheryl's saying, you know, we're gonna wind down Facebook met a, the book meta the metaverse the next big thing. I don't wanna really kind of start up in that project. Why don't, why don't you give ha the day to day operations, you can focus your, what are they did they say 18,000 engineers and 10 billion a year building this new metaverse focus on that. And ha will, you know, keep things, keep the, keep the engine running. So we continue to have funds Nick will off.

Jeff Jarvis (00:16:29):
So Stacy, I think, you know, do, do they recognize just to what you just said a minute ago? Do they recognize that maybe it is AOL? And the, the smart thing to do is to

Leo Laporte (00:16:36):
That's what I think

Jeff Jarvis (00:16:37):
Is to just let it, let it kind of just like AOL, keep bringing in some money, lots of money, but it's gonna feed their next ambition.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:16:47):
I mean, yeah. And AOL still had to manage the, the dialup business as it were. So

Leo Laporte (00:16:53):
They still do. I think technically

Jeff Jarvis (00:16:55):
My father still pays 4 95 a month to them. I'm scared of canceling. Yeah. <Affirmative> yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:17:02):
So yeah. So yeah, this is a, yeah, it's a big change. I, I have to think this is not a surprise to mark and that this is probably something they planned. Yeah. And maybe even is a beginning of a, but she

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:13):
Stayed on the board. That's very important.

Leo Laporte (00:17:14):
She's still on the board. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:15):
If you're doing something like this, she probably told him like a year ago. Hey. Right, right. I'm getting itchy feet. Let's figure that. I mean, when you're the CEO, you or CEO, when you're part of the Trent, you have a plan.

Leo Laporte (00:17:28):
I've always thought that mark wanted had political ambitions, but Cheryl makes much more sense really? Oh yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:34):
Yeah. She she's

Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:35):
Much more palatable than mark.

Leo Laporte (00:17:36):
Yeah. She feels like she likes people for instance, <laugh>, you know, I'm sorry, Anne. I, she

Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:41):
Identifies as a person.

Leo Laporte (00:17:42):
Yes. She identifies as a, as a person, human

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:46):
Human would the operations

Ant Pruitt (00:17:49):
Officer deal a little bit more tightly with the general counsel because you know, there's more stuff probably just out in, in someone's hidden newsfeed that says, Hey, we caught so and so doing this on that platform, we caught this executive leaking. I

Leo Laporte (00:18:09):
Probably Nicks does runs interference with government. That's really his

Jeff Jarvis (00:18:12):
He's policy and comms. Yeah. Plague

Leo Laporte (00:18:14):
Is and, but you're right. Javier would have to, you know, keep he on that. Yeah. He'd have, he'd have his eyes on that, but

Jeff Jarvis (00:18:23):
Probably would policy would prob policy probably wouldn't come from him in this structure. It would come you're right. Aunt to focus on, on chief council.

Leo Laporte (00:18:30):
What do you think Elon Musk should buy Facebook would be more than 40.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:35):
If I Musk should not do anything else, he needs to take a nap.

Leo Laporte (00:18:39):

Ant Pruitt (00:18:40):
Take a nap.

Leo Laporte (00:18:41):
Lord, Lord. Like a toddler. You need to take a

Jeff Jarvis (00:18:44):
Out. Stacey, you missed two key Elon weeks. Boy.

Leo Laporte (00:18:46):
Oh man. Good.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:47):
I was so glad. I was just like, oh, I'm gonna wake up. This is all gonna be over, but it's still

Leo Laporte (00:18:52):
Happening. Oh yeah. It never ends. It's still

Stacey Higginbotham (00:18:54):

Leo Laporte (00:18:58):
Yeah. But you saw the memo that he sent up to executives. <Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (00:19:04):
I haven't been online for the last 10 to 12 days.

Leo Laporte (00:19:07):
What have you been doing?

Ant Pruitt (00:19:08):
Tell you anything. No. Came. I've been, have you been in a Cola? Been watching, watching reruns of Archer and parks and ranch.

Leo Laporte (00:19:16):
Oh, I'm so jealous.

Ant Pruitt (00:19:16):
I, I did. I did my very best to disconnect cause I was supposed to have been working a gig and no gig got canceled. So I said, I'm gonna disconnect. I didn't even watch the show last week, even though I normally would, but I was like, I gotta step away from work. And I couldn't tell you the first thing that's been really going on other than all of the violence and stuff that's been happening recently. But I

Leo Laporte (00:19:36):

Ant Pruitt (00:19:36):
I don't need to tech news.

Leo Laporte (00:19:38):
Yeah. We we've been trying to avoid talking about it because it's so horrific and it's so depressed. It's I notice I wake up every morning depressed. It's just mm-hmm <affirmative> so I understand. I really understand. I'm jealous that you got to unplug. Unfortunately, you don't really get to unplug, do you? That stuff follows you around.

Ant Pruitt (00:19:57):
Yeah. So I, I worked really hard. <Laugh> yeah. To try to disconnect these last couple days and I felt bad thinking, oh man, my first day back to work is the day of TWIG where I'm supposed to be reading. Oh no, no, no, no. All of this work information that Mr. Howell has put into our rundown that you never even

Leo Laporte (00:20:16):
Get to, you do not need to read it. I just want your deep heartfelt reaction to anything we say. And if it's bless, didn't bless his heart. That's fine. <Laugh> this

Jeff Jarvis (00:20:27):
Is evil episode. You know, this is the

Ant Pruitt (00:20:29):
Evil episode and see 6 66. I

Jeff Jarvis (00:20:32):
Put that. Oh

Leo Laporte (00:20:33):
Yeah. Oh my God.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:20:36):
I'm glad I came back for this.

Leo Laporte (00:20:37):
<Laugh> thank God that Friday, the 13th then we'd really be

Jeff Jarvis (00:20:41):
Zhan is gonna take over Leo's chair any

Leo Laporte (00:20:43):
Minute. Yeah. I'm Goza the key master <laugh> well Elon has a message for you aunt. Oh boy. Remote work is no longer acceptable. This is a boy email sent to the entire staff electric. Got it. Anyone who wishes to do remote work must be in the office for a minimum. And I mean, minimum of 40 hours per week or depart Tesla, this is less than we ask of factory workers. If there are particularly exceptional contributors for whom this is impossible, I will review and approve those exceptions directly.

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:18):
Wait, wait, you're supposed to work 37 and a half hours. He's asking for more time than people should put in as a minimum.

Leo Laporte (00:21:24):
Moreover, the office must be a main Tesla office now or remote branch office is unrelated to your job duties. For example, being responsible for Fremont factory human relations, but having your office be in another state. Thanks Elon. Second email subject to be super clear.

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:43):

Leo Laporte (00:21:45):
Every, by the way he said, you know, I only spend 5% of my time on, on Twitter. Yeah. <Laugh> so clearly he's got, you know, he's got the bandwidth to be writing this. Everyone at Tesla's required to spend a minimum of 40 hours in the office per week. Well, this is kind of reiterating the more senior you are, the more visible must be your presence. That's why I lived in the factory so much so that those in the line could see me working alongside them and saying, he's still here. Get rid of him. If I had not done that Tesla long ago, would've gone bankrupt. There are of course companies that don't require with this. But when was the last time they shipped a great new product, it's been a while. Who's he talking about? Oh boy. Yeah, it

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:24):
Has has Elon. It's been a while.

Leo Laporte (00:22:25):
It's been a, nobody has Shipp shipped a great new product in ever Tesla has and will and create and actually manufacture the most exciting and meaningful products of any company on earth. This will not happen by phoning it in.

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:41):
He is scared,

Leo Laporte (00:22:42):
Scared, or angry. I think he needs a nap. I think Stacy's right. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:48):
He's just,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:22:48):
He looks like someone who is going a little unhinged and I, I don't mean

Leo Laporte (00:22:53):
Slightly he's no, no that's serious. And I worry about him cuz you're right. I dunno if

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:58):
I'm worried, but I do.

Ant Pruitt (00:22:59):
I give him credit in one of his close friends out there and, and, and saying, look, this, this is what we require. We, we, we want our folks here. We're not doing hybrid. We don't, we're not doing remote. This is it. Bottom line. So it's not all wishy washing anything. Especially when people are looking for work, they know what the expectations are. And for some people it's a very small percentage of people. They're they're fine with going to the office

Jeff Jarvis (00:23:24):
Says aunt. Yeah. That's true. Who's remote today.

Leo Laporte (00:23:27):
<Laugh> who's at home. Oh, by the way.

Jeff Jarvis (00:23:29):
Yeah. Just, just, just for those who are listening, that's where aunt is just so you know. Yeah. <Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (00:23:37):
I didn't say I wasn't necessarily. No,

Leo Laporte (00:23:38):
We're very easy going here. You're never gonna get a memo like that from me. And we, we have a four day work week and we're still pretty much, you know, hybrid. It's up to you. And Binance had, I did Binance had a job listing. Let me see if I can find it because

Stacey Higginbotham (00:23:59):
You wanna work for Binance.

Leo Laporte (00:24:00):
I think it says, I think it says it I think it says it all here. Let me see where I can find it. <Laugh> <laugh> no, I don't. In fact, after reading this job listing, I'm afraid. I'm very afraid. Oh, I'm not gonna be able to find it, but it basically said, you know, kind of what Elon just said, really? Don't don't think you can, you can work here, work a 40 hour week, you know, that's, that's not how we that's the

Jeff Jarvis (00:24:25):
Old, the old Disney

Leo Laporte (00:24:26):
Joke. What was that? We

Jeff Jarvis (00:24:27):
Don't come in on Saturday. Don't bother coming in on Sunday.

Leo Laporte (00:24:30):
Yeah, exactly. <Laugh> do you think that's necessary? Do you think that that really makes a difference? I mean, apple, does it technology companies do it historically share

Jeff Jarvis (00:24:41):
Cheryl told story her post. Go ahead, Dan.

Ant Pruitt (00:24:44):
It depends on leadership. There's some folks that feel like you have to have these, you know,

Leo Laporte (00:24:50):
Is the leader, right?

Ant Pruitt (00:24:53):
No. If, if they have the proof and the put in that says, Hey, being here is been productive and allowed us to produce X product with X amount of return on investment, yada, yada, yada, and sure. But

Leo Laporte (00:25:05):
You're very, the last two

Jeff Jarvis (00:25:06):
Years. Give lie

Leo Laporte (00:25:07):
To that. Yeah. I think that's, I think that that's an a fantasy and I think there's a lot of evidence that in fact working that hard does not, does not promote, you know, better work or don't agree.

Ant Pruitt (00:25:19):
Americans can really go ahead. I'm sorry, miss Stacy. No,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:24):
You go ahead. You go ahead.

Ant Pruitt (00:25:26):
No, I was saying, I agree with, with Mr. Laport, that, that it's a bit of a fantasy, but at the same time, I also respect the fact that someone could say, Hey, these are my values for the workplace. And you know, if you wanna work here, we're heavy, heavy, but yeah. You know, but if you don't want these, then

Leo Laporte (00:25:43):
I can completely agree. It's their right. Yeah. It's their right to say that. I just don't know if it's, if they are right. <Laugh> to say that. Yeah. <Laugh> Stacy.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:51):
I was gonna say, I think it function. It's kind of a function of how productive you want to be as a company. Obviously, if you are working. I mean, yes. There's a point where it stops, but like, like I don't work 40 hours a week anymore, cuz I don't have to, to make what I feel is a decent living. And I would say, yeah, the compromise there is if you're a company that's like, yeah, I want my company to be okay, it's gonna grow at this rate. I'm cool with that versus a more hard driving culture. And honestly, I don't think Americans are really the right people to talk to about this because we have been, yeah. Doctrinated our whole life into like, we are really crazy. Like when I talk to my friends it almost anywhere else with the exception of like my friends in China. And some of them in Japan, they're just like, what is wrong with y'all

Leo Laporte (00:26:40):
<Laugh> yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:26:41):
Yeah. Here is here's the Binance from the recruitment site about the company at Binance, we don't work. We live it. No one ever asks you to work overtime or checks. If you show up late in the morning, those concepts don't apply it Binance. We do whatever it takes to get whatever needs getting done. It ends up being a lot of overtime. We are always working. There's no off switch. If you have your sleeves rolled up and ready to sweat it for the long haul and be part of a team that will help to define finance for the world tomorrow, then read on, if not, you can save you lazy bums and reading. Wow. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:24):
Part of that is like run crypto is kind of like a weird cult mentality anyway. So that kind of ties into that, you know,

Leo Laporte (00:27:33):
By the, you

Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:33):
Know, worldview,

Leo Laporte (00:27:34):
I guess if you're gonna get stock options and get rich, you might be willing to sacrifice your family life, your, your humanity, your sleep for something. I mean, you get rich, I guess, start that mentality. Right. And then yeah, for some people it's like creating the, the next, you know, creating the Mac or some great thing. But for most people, all they're doing is giving up their family life, their, their real life, their world that's so somebody else can get rich. Right,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:01):
Right. Yeah. That's that weird American, like they have a calling to do this and you know, very few people, very few jobs are a job that you could say have a calling. Right. but we tend to want people to work like that. I think actually at a certain point in time, it might work for a lot of people like when you're young and hungry and coming out. And if you're like really interested and learning a lot really fast, I think that fits. But I don't think that that's how everyone would like it to be. And I think if that's the way the world were for everywhere and everyone that would be

Leo Laporte (00:28:37):
Horrible from Isabelle, Asher Hamilton writing today in business insider, Elon Musk said working from home during the pandemic, tricked people into thinking they don't need to work hard. He's dead wrong economists say working from home does not make workers less productive. According to three economists, the insider interviewed the only constraint on productivity was when workers had children at home, they needed to look after there's a lot of evidence. In fact, that working at home Mo here's the Natasha postal, Vene and economic and financial historian at the London school of economics. Most of the evidence shows that productivity has increased while people stayed at home. Yeah. People spent less time commuting so they could use some of that time to work. They got to spend more time with their family and sleeping, which meant they were happier and ended up being more productive.

Jeff Jarvis (00:29:28):
You know, I I'm reminded Leo of, of when I last had a salary job and it was a really good salary. I will say, I would sit there some days and this is really why I chose to quit. I would sit there some days and I would say, I haven't done much of anything of value to this company today paid me this much money today. And I didn't actually do anything cuz I had to sit here on my rump. Right. Because that's what we do. And that was, that was sold disturbing. Right. As opposed to thinking, I can get something done,

Leo Laporte (00:29:55):
Who hasn't had, who, who working in an office hasn't had, hasn't had that experience where you know, first, some guy comes over, asks you how your weekend was and then you gotta go to a meeting in which you have nothing to add. And then, and then it's lunchtime and you got a couple martinis because the boss, you know, was drinking back in the day. Yeah. Boy, by the end of the day you go, what lunch

Ant Pruitt (00:30:16):
Meetings were great.

Leo Laporte (00:30:18):
<Laugh> you missed that part. You did miss it. We had Korean, we had Korean for lunch, but you could have had Korean handy come on in. Yeah. That's our, that's our way of bribing people to get them into the <laugh>. Lisa likes to have people around. She's very social and she, and it, for her in the work she's doing with the people she's working with our sales team, our marketing team, our continuity team. Yeah. Having them there so that there's some back and forth and she could say, what's this. And it's, it's, it's more efficient for her. And I under, I understand that I don't think our hosts work better here than they would work at home. Our producers don't work better here than they work at home. Our editors need the equipment here, but they, but they've been working at home a lot and it's been working fine. So for, for my

Ant Pruitt (00:31:01):
I'm way more productive here in my studio.

Leo Laporte (00:31:03):
Yeah. Well I would think so

Ant Pruitt (00:31:04):
Way more productive.

Leo Laporte (00:31:05):
Yeah. Yeah. So mean we missed talking

Ant Pruitt (00:31:08):
To you most of my adult life, you know, it's, it's, it's just sort of built

Leo Laporte (00:31:13):
Into when you worked as in it, you kind of have to be there. Right. You know, unless all the servers are in your house.

Ant Pruitt (00:31:21):
I was gonna say, oh, I mean, that cable

Leo Laporte (00:31:23):

Ant Pruitt (00:31:25):
I was at home most of the time in, in my, in my it world because everything was really connected. If I needed to there,

Leo Laporte (00:31:31):
You, you go, you didn't need

Ant Pruitt (00:31:31):
To be again, I got more done because I didn't have people walking up asking me if I watched the game when they know I already watched the game. Right. You know,

Jeff Jarvis (00:31:39):
You told that story about, about, you're convincing your boss, let you go home and work and it worked better.

Ant Pruitt (00:31:44):
Yeah, I did. I did. And the boss was like, well, well, okay, well, since you're sending me this email at two in the morning, I

Leo Laporte (00:31:51):
Guess that's proof to stay home. I always, I always send out you emails in the middle of the night

Jeff Jarvis (00:31:57):
And you learn how to put the time to email. That could be it. I'm such a good programmer that I learned to send the email out while I was snoring. But yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:32:04):
My I work for, you know, I work for iHeart doing the radio shows by premier and my boss. Who's the president of premier. I I'm I'm baffled. I will send her an email. I sent her an email Memorial day at 11:48 PM. <Laugh> before midnight she'd responded. I mean, within minutes she responds instantly and I'm almost now it's almost a game. And I think that's partly cuz the CEO of iHeart, Bob Pitman is kind of that kind of guy. Yeah. Where he is. Yeah. If

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:34):
You didn't, I used to work with him.

Leo Laporte (00:32:35):
Yeah. Right. I sent you an email where you didn't respond. Are you work? What are you doing?

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:39):

Leo Laporte (00:32:40):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> sleeping. He's a mogul. There

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:42):
You go. Yeah. It's mogul moments.

Leo Laporte (00:32:44):

Stacey Higginbotham (00:32:45):
He's one of those people who only need four hours of sleep and don't understand everyone else.

Leo Laporte (00:32:48):
And I loved Julie. You would love Julie cuz she's a country they're outta Nashville and she's very relaxed and friendly and country. And she's just the sweetest person. And I kind of feel bad for her because I I'm sure. She'd like to have a min Jewelle about 5:30 PM. Just for the last Kentucky, sir. Yeah. That's Kentucky. Oh, that's right. What do they drink in Tennessee? Oh good. Old Jack Daniels. I'd like a little, I like a little, yeah, little Lynchburg Lynchburg lick and just relax. Put my feet up on the, on the barrel and watch the hand dog sleep. Okay. Unbutton the top button on the bridges.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:33:27):
I don't know if you've ever been to Nashville man. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:33:30):
No, I know. It's not like that at all. I know. I know. N Vegas is more like yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Everybody's making it. Everybody's doing it. They go, eh, all right. Let's take a little break then we will talk about another huge story. This, you know, it's funny. This is normally a dead season, like because of summer breaks and stuff, but some of the biggest stories of the week have come out in the last couple of days, Supreme court rules on the Texas social media law. We'll talk about that in just a little bit. And then of course we're gonna spend an hour and a half talking about Johnny DEP and Amber herd, but next no, no, no, no, no, no. Just teasing Eaton Musk. But actually Elon Musk is the deaf herd trial of the tech industry. Isn't it? It's the thing that you can't look away from.

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:18):
I did. I'm I'm proud. I did not. One minute. Not one minute. Did I watch it? Well, you were, you were imprisoned Stacy. You had else to do you know what?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:27):
Oh no, but I avoided it like the plague. Yeah, it was hard, but I did.

Leo Laporte (00:34:31):
Yeah. I can't wait. We are going on a cruise. I'm I'm I'm I'm it's gonna be fun to Alaska with the twit fans, a hundred strong it's a, a little more than a month, about six weeks off. And I don't know about you, but when I'm going on a cruise, I start to think about my wardrobe and that's why I went to our sponsor in doo and I got myself some cruise wear <laugh> I have, I, I almost don't wanna say it for those of you who going on the cruise. And I know few of you are in our chat room and our club TWI. I have some of the things I got from endo. I can't wait to, I have a purple velvet dinner jacket with, with satin Bo lapels. It's so beautiful. I can't wait a tuxedo. I'm gonna wear a tuxedo.

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Leo Laporte (00:36:11):
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Leo Laporte (00:37:09):
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Leo Laporte (00:38:52):
Endo Don't forget the offer code. T w I T I was really surprised when the news across the wire yesterday that the us Supreme court halted that horrific Texas social media law instead of just one justice, it would've been it could have been shadow docketed. And I think it would've been justice Alito that would've could have said, no, we're not gonna review this. So just to refresh your memory Texas legislature. Thank you. Yes. Oh, it's a horrible bill, Texas legislature approved this a court blocked it. Then the, then of course the leg Texas appealed, the attorney general appealed and a, the fifth district court unblocked the block. Now, if you wanna know more about why this sex social media law is so bad, you gotta just read Mike Masick on tech dirt. In fact, let me pull up some of his articles on this. It was

Jeff Jarvis (00:40:05):
Always so brilliant

Leo Laporte (00:40:06):
And stuff. It, it, it's one of those laws that essentially, well here's, here's his headline. Just how incredibly Ft up is Texas social media content, moderation law. He points out. Let me tell you <laugh> let me tell you <laugh> he points out for instance, remember in Buffalo a couple of shootings ago, it's just hard to keep track. I know but the guy who did this was streaming it on Twitch. Masek says Twitch could have been sued for taking the stream down. It opens a social network with more than 50 million average us users to lawsuits by anybody for any kind of moderation. It litigator Ken white did a great thread on Twitter, which a week commented on a week ago, I think, or two weeks ago. And I think we've probably gone through this. It was in fact, in effect until yesterday when the us Supreme court actually reversed the decision of the fifth th circuit. Jeff, were you surprised? I was surprised. I did not expect that.

Jeff Jarvis (00:41:19):
Yeah. I thought it was gonna be a Alito just saying, nah, well, well let know just saying, eh, we'll, we'll let it be, but the, the decision itself and who voted, which way

Leo Laporte (00:41:27):
That was a real surprise.

Jeff Jarvis (00:41:29):
Yeah. I still can't figure

Leo Laporte (00:41:30):
Out. I, I don't understand. So just to be clear there is a, there is a trial going on this, this was a preliminary injunction by a lower court saying, no, no, no, no. Until this is resolved, this law is not enforceable. The fifth district said, oh yes, it is it's enforceable. The Supreme court has merely said, no, no, no, no enforcement in this law until the, the case works its way through the court so that the law is not gone. The right now what's happening is there will be a, there will be a court case and that will be decided. And you know what, at that point, it may go back to the Supreme court. So it's kind of unclear. Exactly. You know, Google said the measure would unconstitutionally bar platforms from removing neo-Nazi and KU Klux, Klan crap or Russian propaganda about Ukraine. Sir, was

Ant Pruitt (00:42:18):
This, this measure brought up just because they felt the tech companies are,

Leo Laporte (00:42:23):
Are yes. Screwing with freedom speech. Yeah. And you remember the Florida law that initially exempted Disney <laugh>. Oh, right. Okay. And then, and then after Disney, after governor DeSantis decided Disney was a woke corporation. Yeah. We're gonna include Disney on this one, which just shows just as pure politics. Both of them really were Republican legislators saying to, in effect to Twitter, you should never have banned Donald Trump now. See what happens. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so it was really about con conservative legislators saying big tech, particularly Facebook and Twitter are, and actually Facebook. I think, I don't know. I think Facebook may or may not be, it's not liable in Florida now. Cause it's it's net worth has gone down, but I think it's still liable in Texas. These guys are left leaning and they, they have, they have to be held accountable for their moderation decisions. But what it really does is opens up all moderation decisions to, to suit. So the U us Supreme court in a, it was, it was a five, it was close. It was five, four said, no, no, we're gonna block this law until it works its way through the courts. And, and,

Jeff Jarvis (00:43:37):
And Eric, a Cohen, I put in a thread, a Cohen says that there's also thinking that the Florida, the status of the Florida law does also have impact here. So it's both together. And it also means the court is gonna take this up.

Leo Laporte (00:43:49):
Ultimately they will. It's

Jeff Jarvis (00:43:50):
Gonna be treated

Leo Laporte (00:43:51):
Seriously. Yeah. Ultimately I think this is, is in a way saying, yeah, just hold on. We're gonna rule on this, but in the meanwhile, cuz it's clearly, at least in my opinion, and I'm not a lawyer, but Kathy Galles who has felt this way too. It it's unconstitutional. It's, it's a yeah. Government telling private, but

Jeff Jarvis (00:44:08):
Wes, what the

Leo Laporte (00:44:09):
Constitution is. Well I know. So the dissent, the people who said no, no, this law should stand. Were Neil Gorsuch, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, the very reliable so

Jeff Jarvis (00:44:21):
Far, not

Leo Laporte (00:44:22):
Surprising, right wing judges and Elena Kagan and Elena was Kagan

Jeff Jarvis (00:44:28):
Was procedural in a way that I don't understand. I,

Leo Laporte (00:44:30):
I haven't said we don't know because that there was no written dissent. We don't knowing

Jeff Jarvis (00:44:34):
Someone was trying to speculate why it would be based on her prior. And I still don't understand it.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:44:40):
Well, the government does order private businesses to serve citizens under like ADA and things like that. Maybe there's something like that. I'm really stretch it. I don't know.

Leo Laporte (00:44:50):
It it's just unknown. <Laugh> let me look at Ari's thread here.

Jeff Jarvis (00:44:56):
It's it's complicated.

Leo Laporte (00:44:57):
I mean, oh, they did a spaces. So decisions comes on the heel of the 11th circuit's ruling Florida's law also violates the first amendment. Yeah, I don't know. Do they consider, and by the way, that has not been appealed to the Supreme court yet. And that's Clarence Thomas who will decide that one the votes to grant the applications to vacate the fifth circuit's decision law enforcement of the law in favor were justice Roberts. Okay. Bear buyer Brier, rather you'd expect that Soto. Maor you'd expect that Roberts is kind of a swing, but so that's two liberals, the chief justice and Kavanaugh Barrett, the two newest Supreme court justices,

Jeff Jarvis (00:45:38):
The, the Trump IST of them all. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:45:42):
There wasn't Alito dissent. I should, I should say there was a dissent by Alito, but Kagan did not join that dissent. So she never talked about her reasons.

Jeff Jarvis (00:45:51):
Again, I, in a sense, it says here at number four was, was extensively procedural. They argue that the plaintiffs says are a, haven't demonstrated a substantial likelihood of success on the merits because it's quite unclear where their existing law supports their challenge. So it's, it's a, it's a hall of mirrors here that that will triple, quadruple negatives. It's hard to figure out

Leo Laporte (00:46:11):
<Laugh>. Okay. Yeah. Well, so I think you're right. I think I mean, I, I'm not really equipped if Kathy were here, maybe she would be to, to go through this thread. They but I think the issue is end up gonna end up in the Supreme court again, it's just gotta work its way there. Once the courts in Florida and Texas, what's

Jeff Jarvis (00:46:40):
Scary about the, about the courts is the fact that this didn't get shot down once. And for all at the first level of court to say, this is patently ridiculously unconstitutional.

Leo Laporte (00:46:48):
And the fact that it got through the fifth circuit, but see, they were just, it was, they were just ruling on the injunction. So we haven't yet heard a court rule on the law itself, actually just the injunction. No, we have not. We'll see. Anyway, kind of a surprise from the Supreme court. You just never know what those, those nine, those wacky

Jeff Jarvis (00:47:06):

Leo Laporte (00:47:06):
Whacky folks, whack robes are gonna do, gonna do. Yep. Just never know.

Jeff Jarvis (00:47:15):
I love this moment. Leo's looking down the list thinking what,

Leo Laporte (00:47:18):
What gonna do, what what's it gonna be?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:47:21):
Well, let me ask y'all. So we we've had court decisions around like, is it fair for like the president to block people? So a politician, is he okay for that person to block people on like Twitter or other social media sites? He's official with something like this.

Leo Laporte (00:47:36):
Well, remember they ruled that president Trump could not block right. People on Twitter because he was on his, on his feet as POTUS,

Jeff Jarvis (00:47:48):
You know, as Potti yeah. As yeah. As Donald Trump, he could, but

Leo Laporte (00:47:50):
As POTUS as pot, you couldn't because, okay you can't, you, you know, you're supposed to listen to

Jeff Jarvis (00:47:54):
The people you're using a governmental instrument,

Ant Pruitt (00:47:57):
Crazy thought,

Leo Laporte (00:47:58):

Ant Pruitt (00:47:58):
You're supposed to very small detail. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:48:01):

Jeff Jarvis (00:48:01):
That would be like blocking your phone number from calling the white house. You

Leo Laporte (00:48:05):
Can't do that. That's a better way to do that. Yes. We don't want to hear from that anymore. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:48:09):
For a long time though, you know, and I know that we now have separate accounts for certain elected officials, but, you know, well, I guess we're just figuring out never mind.

Jeff Jarvis (00:48:20):

Leo Laporte (00:48:21):
Big I think very interesting letter from some of the most renowned and respected technologists in, in the world, including Bruce Schneider, who we've had on this show is a very top level security guy. Miguel de Kaza, who was at Microsoft. He very well known programmer principal engineer at Google cloud Kelsey high tower saying <laugh> watch your, watch your wallet, blockchain in the burgeoning cryptocurrency industry should be regulated, should be regulated,

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:02):
Danger, danger. They say

Leo Laporte (00:49:03):
Danger danger. The Schneider says the claims that the blockchain advocates make are not true. It's not secure. It's not decentralized any system where you forget your password and you lose your life. Savings is not a safe system.

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:19):

Ant Pruitt (00:49:19):
Yep. But that's decentralization, right?

Leo Laporte (00:49:23):
The crypto industry. So what they're essentially writing is a counter to the lobby crypto crypto industry lobby, which spends millions of dollars getting Congress to support the crypto industry. They're saying, well, we wanna provide a counter argument. We' counter lobbying. I'm sorry. And you, you said that decentralization and

Ant Pruitt (00:49:45):
Well, I was saying if, if you lose your password because there's nobody else keeping track of your passwords, allowing

Leo Laporte (00:49:52):
You well, that's right. Problematic, the

Ant Pruitt (00:49:54):
Forgotten password. That's, that's part of it being decentralized, right? Isn't that what you sign up for?

Leo Laporte (00:49:59):
Well, Schneider says it's not decentralized. And I think, you know, that might be referring more to NFTs, which okay. Are in theory decentralized, but in fact, open sea, but

Ant Pruitt (00:50:08):
That's open

Leo Laporte (00:50:09):
Sea. In fact, we already saw that because when open sea decided to block an NFT to take it off the 

Jeff Jarvis (00:50:15):
But open C just last week said that they were gonna shift to a protocol like blue sky shifts social to a protocol. So there is, there is that movement to go the other way, but you're right, aunt, if it's totally decentralized, there's kind of no appeal to control it as a result. So yeah, this is, this's kind of both sides of the coin here. It is decentralized ergo. It's hard to protect people. It's not decentralized in the sense that open sea can still be a single point of failure for at least gen FTS. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:50:45):
The letter goes on to say, crypto assets have been the vehicle for unsound and highly volatile, speculative investment schemes that are being actively promoted to retail investors who may be unable to understand their nature and risk. I've been saying this for a long time. And further they go on to say crypto and blockchain tech serve no real purpose. Now I have. And I think Stacy, you have been in a number. I know aunt, you have, we've been saying, well, maybe the underlying technology, like blockchain has some value. They don't even mm-hmm <affirmative> they don't even acknowledge that Miguel, they Casa said the computational power equivalent to what you would do in a centralized way, you know, through a bank with a hundred dollars computer, we're essentially wasting millions of dollars worth of equipment because we've decided we don't trust the banking system.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:33):
Oh, well, that's again, that's only for financial stuff. So I would take that with a grain of

Jeff Jarvis (00:51:38):
Stuff. Right. Good point.

Leo Laporte (00:51:40):
Although these guys, I, you know, Schneider for sure, by the way, Tim bra, who was also one of the signers, this is the, the letter is at and it's to Schumer McConnell, Pelosi McCarthy, all the leadership in the, in Congress was also signed by Tim bra who will be on tech news weekly, tomorrow. Good. Get Mike, a Sergeant, good guy to get. Tim's nice. Tim's a great guy. Corey Dr. Row signed it. I'm you know, I would've signed it. I kind of agree. I think there's a he's

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:13):
Caution in financial. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:52:15):
I agree. Molly white, the famous now famous creator of web three is going great. <Laugh> that website? Jamie who Zinsky, who was a developer at Netscape? Very well known in the in the business model.

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:27):
Molly white signed the letter too. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:52:28):
I see. Yeah. Molly white. Yeah. and you can sign it too, if you want a concerned dot tech. I think they really just want to counter a lot of lobbying from companies that stand to gain a lot of money, as

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:42):
Stacy would say, if I may Stacy, this is something we have to discuss. We, we, we can't just rush into it. And I'm, I'm, I'm all for mm-hmm <affirmative>, let's try out the internet and see what it is. But when it comes to people's life savings, you gotta be a little, a little more deliberate.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:58):
Well, and part of it is, I mean, we're, we're a nation of people. I mean, especially in the us of get rich quick schemers, I mean yep. Good Lord. Yeah. So I, I feel like some of this feels so uniquely American and weird because of that, but yeah, you're right. Anyone saying I'm gonna put my money in crypto, that's just psychotic, but it's not psychotic. If you know, six months ago you said it and you were walking away with, you know, an extra 40,000 on $40. So I sort of get it, but I'm also like, no,

Leo Laporte (00:53:35):
He says blockchain solutions are often, I'm talking about Bruce Schneider here. This is a wired opinion piece. He wrote in 2019, there's no good reason to trust blockchain technology. He said blockchain solutions are often, much worse than they, what they replace. He, he says if you know, the, the interesting kinds of blockchains include, you know, currency, a digital token, he says the, there are private blockchains, but they're completely uninteresting. <Laugh> they're just, he says, they're not anything new. They're distributed to pen only data structures with a list of individuals authorized to add to it. Consensus protocols have been studied in distributed systems for more than 60 years. You know, he says the only reason operate one is to ride on the blockchain hype, but the public blockchain, he says, is it actually good for anything while it's all a matter of trust? 

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:35):
There have been efforts to say that journalism should be there because it can't be erased then, but that's the other issue. That's, that's part of Anne's point about being distributed. It's distributed in a way that there's stuff you might wanna take down and you can't then cuz it's too distributed.

Leo Laporte (00:54:49):
Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative> well you were that's

Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:52):
Again. I think that's just knowing the trade offs. I mean, I feel like as human beings, you talk about this, we do a terrible job in politics in media of explaining these things. Like this is good for this thing. Right. But it's not good for everything. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:55:07):
She says what blockchain does is shift trust in people in institutions and banks to technology. You need to trust the crypto, the protocols of software, the computers, the network, and you need to trust them. Absolutely because they're often single points of failure. We've seen this lately in a lot of ways when that trust turns out to be misplaced, and there is no recourse. If your Bitcoin exchange gets hacked, you lose all your money. If your Bitcoin wallet gets hacked, you lose all your money. If you forget your logging credentials, you lose all your money. If somebody steals

Ant Pruitt (00:55:42):
Your, but call to Verizon and, and say that I am Leo Laport, can you please send me a text and verify,

Leo Laporte (00:55:48):
Well, that's, that's right. You have to, but he does point out. And I think this is true that these systems, these, these other non blockchain systems, there's been a lot of work to make 'em secure. There's you know, there's a there's laws and regulations. There's backstops that limit risks in the case of fraud, there's anti counterfeiting technologies, there's internet security technologies. So, and the institutions have a reputation to maintain. So I think he makes a, a, a, there is no reputation to be maintained if the, if the protection of the blockchain fails, which it keeps doing time and time again at, and you gotta acknowledge that there's no recourse. Look at Seth green. Yep. Byebye board, right? Yep. Byebye. Right, right. 

Jeff Jarvis (00:56:36):
So, but centralization two has problems. Centralization means you're in the control of one Elon Musk, right? Or one mark Zuckerberg centralization means that you can become control controlled by the Chinese government. There's no ideal here. And you know, Jack Dorsey tweeted a few weeks ago, right before the announcement of, of the Musk efforts, that centralized identity was a mistake and he felt responsible for it. And that's that I think blue sky. And, and, and so we gotta find middle grounds and I think Stacy's exactly right. It depends on the use one, one, what is good one or what is good for the other still,

Ant Pruitt (00:57:13):
I still stand by NFTs being cool for artists to be able to get paid. 

Leo Laporte (00:57:20):
I just think if you wanna get paid some, sell something, that's one, ask somebody to donate your money. I don't know that need the NFT. I don't know what the NF,

Ant Pruitt (00:57:29):
Right. You don't need the NFT, but, but what I'm saying is it's nice knowing that there, there is another option out there beyond the world of PayPal, beyond the world of, Hey, buy print from But unfortunately there's scammers out there that sort of screwed all of that up. And there's people out there just making these eight bit pieces of, of art in selling them for a gazillion dollars, for whatever reason that I've never really agreed with. But then there's the other end of the spectrum of someone like Elise SWS, who's made some just beautiful art using her phone, and she's made a nice chunk of change off of it. And she continues to just do it and get paid and not really be all scammy about it. You know,

Leo Laporte (00:58:11):
I would submit that if somebody donates to you through an NFT, that their chief interest is not your art, their chief interest is special on your art <laugh>. And if they really loved your art, they, they would buy your art or they would donate to you with a Patriot or something like that. And you could do fine. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> if the only way you're selling your artist is through an NFT, then that's because people think it's gonna be valuable. I mean, it's, it's true of fine art as well. You know, that's how mm-hmm <affirmative>. Yeah. I mean, that's how the art market is got famous and rich and died, but yeah. Anyway, I think that I think it's important discussion. I honestly, these are people I respect to the ends degree confirming my bias <laugh>, which I've had I've, you know, has changed. My, my views on this have changed is I've watched this kind of fall apart. But,

Jeff Jarvis (00:58:58):
But let's even say Bitcoin though. I mean, if you're, if you're, if you're in the United States and you got family back in Columbia, if you had to go through Western union, you lost a huge amount of money into that. You could now transfer money from dollars to Bitcoin, to pesos for next to nothing.

Leo Laporte (00:59:14):
Not at all a minute. There

Jeff Jarvis (00:59:15):
Are other uses say there other

Leo Laporte (00:59:17):
Uses not at all. It costs you far more than Western union. It does the gas fees.

Jeff Jarvis (00:59:22):
That's right. It does though. Didn't in the beginning. Put

Leo Laporte (00:59:24):
It now. And it's much slower. It's unpredictably slow unless you pay a lot of money for the gas fees. Yeah. And finally, the risk of getting ripped off is

Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:34):

Jeff Jarvis (00:59:34):
Yes. The risk, the risk of it, of it being involved while you're doing that even is bad. All I'm saying is well,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:39):
And you alternatives and you also look at, oh, go on.

Jeff Jarvis (00:59:42):
Just, just alternative. It is worth exploring alternatives to the present Fiat currency system. I'm not against that. I'm just not saying that blockchain gravy makes all meat off taste. Good. Sorry,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:53):
Stacy. Right. And I would say that there, anytime you explore alternatives to the current status quo, be it blockchain, be it some magical sticker based economy that, you know, a bunch of seven year olds come up with the, if it catches on the PA the powers that be will seek to capitalize on it for their own benefit. And because they have attention, they have money, they have lobbying power, they will be able to do it. And I mean, I, I've never bought into this like decentralization equals automatic good and automatic to the peop power to the people. And I think a lot of people did and they looked at it uncritically for things mm-hmm <affirmative>. And that's why I appreciate this, this letter. So I don't know. Yeah. The only thing I think people watching is good for is automated contracts for like machine to machine, but that's just,

Jeff Jarvis (01:00:51):
Yeah. There's uses of it. It's a clever technology, but it doesn't, it, it doesn't bring a determinism either way, unless you're Madison coauthor.

Leo Laporte (01:01:02):
Oh, I don't wanna do that story. So somebody in the chat room is pointing out that lightning is a free to do Bitcoin and that's true. There is a lightning network and cash app is using it. Oh yeah. But that's called recentralizing

Jeff Jarvis (01:01:17):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:01:19):
Right. Right. And

Stacey Higginbotham (01:01:20):
That's the problem. You've gotta make it easy for people.

Leo Laporte (01:01:22):
<Laugh> that's that's not now

Stacey Higginbotham (01:01:24):
That's one of the trade

Leo Laporte (01:01:25):
Offs, right? Yeah. Suddenly you are reliant on a third party. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so I think when Corey, Dr. O was on, we were talking about the idea of putting your, a car repair information on a blockchain so that when you bought a car, you would know exactly what had been through. And he said, how is that any better than the system we have? It requires whoever does the repairs to do it. If they don't, it's still not there. It's not an improvement. It's, it's just this fairy dust that we're waving on stuff to get people to go, oh, Ooh, that's new. And, and cool. And neat. That must be better. It's not, it's just not. And it's, and it's causing a lot of people to lose a lot of money. So, and by the way, this has nothing to do with my Bitcoin wallet. <Laugh>, I'm completely happy with my Bitcoin wallet. It's fine. We know you don't care about that thing. I don't. And, and, and honestly it would, if I had unlocked it, it would be, had been sold long ago. I just gonna hold onto it. Maybe if Bitcoin ever goes back to E more I'll I'll cuz I know I can unlock it. It's just a matter of sitting down and doing it. I'm not, it's not has no issue with, with that. Sure. I have not been, are you

Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:37):

Leo Laporte (01:02:37):
Yes. I'm absolutely. I'm not have not been ripped off in any way. 

Jeff Jarvis (01:02:43):
Leo, do you, do you object fine. So cyber currency, danger, danger. Will Robinson, do you think that to Stacy's point that blockchain has good uses?

Leo Laporte (01:02:54):
I think that remains to be seen. I Bruce Schneider doesn't and I think he's a lot smarter than I am.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:01):
Yeah. But he has blinders just like everybody else. I mean, there are things I think are a great idea or things I think are terrible that still come to pass and I'm like, oh, oh, that didn't work out as badly as I thought it might,

Jeff Jarvis (01:03:12):
But don't have a security risk that currency has.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:15):
Oh, see, currency has a security risk too. Yeah. If somebody sense, if you,

Leo Laporte (01:03:22):
If you go to the, at ATM and pull out a thousand dollars and give it to somebody <laugh>, it's gone, there's no recourse. The bank will give it back to you. There's no recourse. It's gone. So,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:33):
Or you just drop it on the ground and someone finds it. Right.

Leo Laporte (01:03:39):
Alright. Yeah. I don't wanna do the

Jeff Jarvis (01:03:43):
That's fine. Well, just, just the fact that he's

Leo Laporte (01:03:46):
Of course he is. So is everybody, they're all scammers. Let's right. They're all scammers. Let's let's talk about. Cause you did a, actually a tweet about this this morning, which I thought was good. Let's talk about star wars. Yeah. OB won. Oh.

Ant Pruitt (01:04:07):
Oh, that was yesterday. Your Twitter's outta whack.

Leo Laporte (01:04:10):
<Laugh> I choose not to follow the latest tweets, but the best tweets. I see

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:16):
You are the cream rising to the top there. End

Leo Laporte (01:04:19):
You have risen to the top. Thank you. So what is the controversy? It's this casting, this what do they call racially blind casting. 

Ant Pruitt (01:04:32):
Mo Moses Ingram. She's a key key actor in, in this new series. Kanobi she's a, what do they call it? A Jedi hunter essentially. And she's a black woman and no,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:47):
She played Joe lead in the queen gambit.

Leo Laporte (01:04:51):
Oh, there you go. Yeah. Okay.

Ant Pruitt (01:04:52):
Oh, she was in Queens GA.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:54):
She was, she was the, the black best friend from the orphanage who everybody loves.

Leo Laporte (01:04:59):
Oh, I loved her in that. I

Ant Pruitt (01:05:00):
Totally forgot about that. That was her

Leo Laporte (01:05:03):
Too. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:04):
I was looking at her face and I'm like, that woman is familiar.

Leo Laporte (01:05:08):

Ant Pruitt (01:05:08):
She, she has been getting a lot of backlash. People sliding into her DMS star wars, fans, quote, star wars fans, and just attacking her and basically telling her how horrible she's been for that role. And she shouldn't have been there, no talent, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and racist, this and racist.

Leo Laporte (01:05:25):
It was more about her being a black person in a role that they thought should be

Ant Pruitt (01:05:29):
White, should have been somebody else, a white person, you know? So one of my friends, you know, she brought it up. She says, you know, it, it it's, it's the typical equation of she's a woman and she's a black woman and she's already got those chips stacked up against her. Yep. But it it's unfortunate, but she's killing this role. I mean, she's absolutely crushing this role, but I feel like star wars has then come back and said, you know what? We are, we are behind her. And if you wanna be a racist, you know, don't be a racist. We got 20 million different species out there, something along those lines in those tweets. And I appreciate the fact that they stood up for her and, and publicly made a statement about, Hey, we, we back her up and you McGregor, he went online and did a video as well and said, Hey, I got her back too. So screw the rest of you. Racists folks,

Leo Laporte (01:06:23):
Star wars tweeted. There are more 20 million sentient species in the star wars galaxy. Don't choose to be a racist. I think that that's fair. That's fair

Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:34):
Line. Well, it's unique because after what was the movie with? I it's the only star wars movie I really thought was awesome. Well, the one with Kelly Tran and John

Leo Laporte (01:06:43):
Boyega. Oh, that was it. It was real. Oh, you're gonna get in trouble here, Stacy. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:47):
I know. Know

Leo Laporte (01:06:49):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:51):

Leo Laporte (01:06:51):
Go to Stacey. I

Ant Pruitt (01:06:52):
Would say not us Stacy

Leo Laporte (01:06:54):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:55):
They did not. Disney did not. I mean, John, John Boyega, is that how to say his name? I don't know. He actually said that he felt like Disney didn't stand up for him against all this. So apparently Disney's like, oh, well we can't do this a third time. I mean,

Leo Laporte (01:07:09):

Ant Pruitt (01:07:10):

Leo Laporte (01:07:10):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:12):
And you know what? That other star wars was amazing. And then they like did the third episode of it and they were like, yeah, we're gonna take all that. Goodness. We threw out away because everybody complained so much. Those old star wars look.

Leo Laporte (01:07:26):
Yeah. Where's is Kelly, Kelly trans gone? They, they haven't done anymore with her or him. Didn't she die? His name? Yeah. Maybe she dies in die. I don't know. I don't, I don't watch star wars that intently intently

Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:41):
Anyway. Well, well good for good for them for standing up for her.

Ant Pruitt (01:07:46):
That was part of my, I need to step away from online.

Leo Laporte (01:07:51):
I kind of got that feeling when I saw you. <Laugh> all I'm. Well, you like hashtag Sweden gate trending on Twitter right now. It turns out Swedish people as a rule, don't serve food to guests.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:09):
I, I asked a friend about this and she told me that was totally true. And I just was like, I just, are you serious? Like, I'm trying to imagine the situation. Well, and apparently some households in Sweden when you would, and I think it's mostly kids, I guess they'd be playing over at their friend's house and the family would eat dinner, but they wouldn't invite the friend. The friend would stay up in the playroom or somebody's room.

Leo Laporte (01:08:33):
Oh, that's just rude. And

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:34):
We would eat and send it back. <Laugh> well, I asked my friend about this and she's like, she grew up in Sweden. She's like, yeah, if you spent the night at someone's house, like even in the morning for breakfast, like your friend would go down and have like eggs or cereal or something, you would just be up in their room. And I'm like, did you pack your own snap? I mean like,

Leo Laporte (01:08:56):
<Laugh> they as a, this is this is an article in the independent by Linda Johanson. She says as a child growing up in Goldenberg, I remember not really caring at all that I wasn't being fed. I just kept playing and had a nice quiet time while the other family had their dinner is because they didn't wanna mess up my family's plans. They figured, well, your family probably gonna feed you dinner. So <laugh> have to eat dinner with us. It's just cultural. Tell you it's just cultural.

Ant Pruitt (01:09:25):
I gotta tell you. Did

Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:26):
You get the, no, that's just weird.

Leo Laporte (01:09:27):
Is that how they do it? In the, in the south KAK?

Ant Pruitt (01:09:31):
I've been in similar situations in, in my little black communities in south KKI Lai and the, the parents would literally come to the door. Hey, y'all come eat. Well, aunt, I don't know what your mom or your grandparents that's rights doing. So you just, they, because my mom or my grandmother would fuss about food being wasted. That's

Leo Laporte (01:09:51):
Fair. So, cause we know your parents are gonna feed you so, you know, go home <laugh> or you send the map,

Ant Pruitt (01:09:59):
Call your mother or call your grandmother and see if it's

Leo Laporte (01:10:03):
That you eat. Oh, there you go. I like that. Well, yeah, we,

Jeff Jarvis (01:10:06):
Yeah, that I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:06):
Got too like that. Yeah. But you'd invite you. You'd be like, I, you know, you'd come down and you'd be like, Hey mom can so and so stay for dinner and she'd be like, sure. Or no, we don't have enough. I mean, that was totally a legit thing to do. But then you go up and you're like, all right, you gotta go home for dinner. Yeah. You didn't leave him sitting upstairs.

Leo Laporte (01:10:23):
That's pretty funny.

Jeff Jarvis (01:10:25):
So I put the mask

Ant Pruitt (01:10:26):
Later, you left me sitting outside a time or two with the baseball or the

Leo Laporte (01:10:30):
Basketball. Yeah. I could actually actually remember that. Yeah. <laugh> yeah. I didn't even grow up in Sweden. All right. Where's the map. What line? So

Jeff Jarvis (01:10:35):
The bottom of the bottom of other and the rundown is somebody did a map about this as to what usually happens. Oh, so all of Scandinavia, including Denmark and Iceland is no food for you. Get your old loot. Fisk. What? As somebody said on Twitter,

Leo Laporte (01:10:50):
What? So,

Jeff Jarvis (01:10:52):

Leo Laporte (01:10:53):
So the red ones are very unlikely to give you food Sweden's in there. The pink ones are unlikely to give you food, the blue ones more than things. But notice it's the Southern Europe where they're almost always, you know, in Italy and Spain, they're gonna make you eat, eat, eat. They're gonna make you <laugh>. I don't care if you've got dinner waiting for you. You're eating now. <Laugh> so might really have more to do with climate. I don't know. I don't that's culture. I mean, it's culture.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:11:27):
I guess culture. I just, I can't imagine eating in front of someone and not offering them food. That is just

Leo Laporte (01:11:34):
Shoot <laugh> I can just selfish. So <laugh> I I'm telling you the warmer, the climate, the more likely you'll be fed. So in Texas, you're gonna be fed yeah. In Canada. Not so sure. What is it? Canadians. We have a lot of Canadians Canadians in the chat room, Canadians and club TWI. What happens when you, when you were a kid and you went over and you visited, would you, would you get food? Would you get fed? It's probably a kindly worded debate. <Laugh> some food never happened. I'm so sorry, but we

Jeff Jarvis (01:12:11):
Can't feed. So, so Wally se explains on, on Twitter, it's it's a link at the bottom of that story that in Norris culture, hospitality, providing food drink, lodging was a duty of higher status individuals toward people of lower status.

Leo Laporte (01:12:26):
Oh, so the act

Jeff Jarvis (01:12:27):
Of receiving hospitality created an obligation or debt on the part of the recipient who couldn't afford it

Jeff Jarvis (01:12:34):
To my parenthetical. So hospitality not only brought honor to the giver, it had the potential to bring shame to the recipient. Norris culture progressed through the middle ages was incredibly personally violent. There's that too? You took my Luke FIS and didn't give me any P off of your head, right? So I've seen people fought jewels, violently extracted deaths and squeezed render as all this from Wally SI on Twitter. One of the challenges, the Protestant church in Scandinavia post 30 years war was to create a culture that tamped down on personal violence. Cuz as somebody said to me some time ago, I read something that said, you know, Sweden, you know, ransacked all of Europe and today they're Sweden. So people change. So they tried to change the culture. But the root of a lot of impersonal violence was the competition for status and extraction of payment. That's really interesting. Isn't it?

Leo Laporte (01:13:23):
So in a way it would be implying that I am higher status than you to invite you to eat.

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:30):
I give

Leo Laporte (01:13:30):
You, I give you food. Probably true. Well that's true. Cause I have, yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:13:34):
When I was growing up, I would have friends who like my parents tracked who I ate, you know? Cuz like as a kid you don't necessarily know, but they had a definite reciprocity thing that

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:47):
We owe somebody that other

Leo Laporte (01:13:48):
Friends of mine. Oh, oh yes. So that's,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:13:51):
That's interesting. But like my friends who, like I had a friend who was Filipino and God help us. We could not go to that house without like there was food

Leo Laporte (01:14:01):
Always. I'm telling you it's climate <laugh> so this

Jeff Jarvis (01:14:05):
Is, this is another great tweet here from him. The church with the framing of early Protestant humanists began to promote the ideal of the free member of society. EY, no one and owed nothing. If the culture could get rid of the interactions that caused friction, people could live more peaceful lives.

Leo Laporte (01:14:23):
So you're proud and you owe you, we're gonna just, you go have your dinner at your place. Cuz I, I don't, you know, it's just, it's cultural. It's fine. I

Jeff Jarvis (01:14:33):
It's cultural

Leo Laporte (01:14:34):
Its now meanwhile Tim Hortons <laugh> <laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (01:14:40):
Tim thought Canada was cool.

Leo Laporte (01:14:41):
He, well, they did get caught by Canadian watchdogs. Tim Horton's app tracked people illegally. According to Canadian watchdogs, the app would show where users lived, where they worked and the probe showed no legitimate reason for the tracking. The company was told today to shut off that capability. After an investigation by federal and provincial authorities found

Jeff Jarvis (01:15:06):
That at two Timmy at

Leo Laporte (01:15:08):
Two, found that Tim Horton's app misled many users to believe information would only be accessed when the app was in use. Nope. As long as the device was on the app was continually collecting location data. It, it, the app used location data. It generated an event. Every time users entered or left a Tim Horton's competitor,

Jeff Jarvis (01:15:29):

Leo Laporte (01:15:30):
A major,

Jeff Jarvis (01:15:32):

Leo Laporte (01:15:32):
Major sports event or their home or workplace

Jeff Jarvis (01:15:36):
Tim Timmy, Timmy,

Leo Laporte (01:15:38):
Timmy, Timmy. This was first came to light two years ago when a story by the financial post it took a while for the government, you know, the wheels to turn, but Tim Hortons continued to collect quote, continued to collect vast amounts of location data for a year after shelving plants to use it for targeted advertising. So they weren't even gonna use it for targeted advertising. Tim Horton's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:04):
Did they? Oh, go on. What did they, I was like, how did, what did they say as to why they were doing this?

Leo Laporte (01:16:09):
They say, oh, sorry, sorry. We'll implement the recommendations in the report right away. <Laugh> they included deleting any remaining location, data directing third party providers to do the same establishing and maintaining a privacy management program and reporting back to the authorities with details and the measures it is taken to comply with the recommendations. We're so sorry.

Jeff Jarvis (01:16:29):
Donuts for everybody.

Leo Laporte (01:16:30):
We're sorry. 10 bits for all.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:33):
You know, I was really disappointed when I went into Tim Horton's

Jeff Jarvis (01:16:36):
Oh yeah, I agree.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:38):
I was, I thought it was gonna be this like awesome experience. It's like a Duncan it's

Jeff Jarvis (01:16:44):
Bad dunking and donuts. Oh yeah. I agree. Which

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:47):
Is so

Leo Laporte (01:16:48):
Like, wait, wait a minute. Are you, are you implying that Duncan is not great?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:52):
Duncan is horrible. They're bad donuts. Terrible

Leo Laporte (01:16:55):
Coffee. Oh God.

Jeff Jarvis (01:16:56):
Yes. I agree.

Ant Pruitt (01:16:58):
No, I still love dunking donuts. You do. But I love my reg. I still, I still love dunking donuts, but I definitely hit up the local homemade donuts. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:08):
We have some pretty good shots. Shit. Pleases are way better. Crispy cream, way better. Don't get and taste than I'm saying a

Leo Laporte (01:17:14):
Crispy cream. I'm a southerner. Oh no. You know what? Crispy cream is a Trojan horse. Cause crispy cream looks great. It's light. It's fluffy smells great. You taste it. You eat it. Your mouth goes, oh my God. That's great. And then it lands and explodes. <Laugh> in your stomach. It is a, it is a stubby Bob, which is one of them, 12 of them. It it's a, it wear so light. You just shoveling.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:40):
Do you, do you agree

Leo Laporte (01:17:40):
With me? You feel terrible almost instantly. Right? Almost instantly.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:17:45):
I feel if you only eat one or two it's okay. Now I used to eat like six and then suddenly I'd be like, oh man sugar, what the hell? <Laugh> then, then I'd be better. And I'd be like, oh, I shouldn't do that.

Leo Laporte (01:17:57):
I'll always remember you, Stacy is the woman who taught me what meat sweats meant.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:06):
Please put that in my obituary. If I was I watched that. That was a great moment.

Leo Laporte (01:18:10):
Yes. Well, if I, if I get the honor of doing your eulogy, I will in fact tell that story. I promise.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:17):
There we go.

Leo Laporte (01:18:18):
<Laugh> no, there's no, there's no brisket in heaven. There's none. <Laugh> alright, let me take a break. I think, I think timing wise would be a good time to pause. And then Jeff is gonna tell me all the TikTok stories. Sure. including I put together a little lobster lobsterman. Wow.

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:44):
I also put together a little trio of stories about celebrating identity on the net, which iLIGHT

Leo Laporte (01:18:50):
That sounds good. That's still to come. And we can't call it Fang anymore. It's man. <Laugh> right.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:00):
Wait, what? They mangled Fang.

Leo Laporte (01:19:02):
Mangled Fang on us. Well, it used to be Facebook, Amazon, apple, Netflix, and Google Fang. But Facebook is changing its stock ticker to metal. All right. So now it's main surprise. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. What are you gonna do? Ah, now that Cheryl's gone, it's all gone to hell our show today brought to you by it. Prot V if you are gonna get in an it you're gonna quickly, I mean you, I mean, you're watching our shows that we know you're a techn technical enthusiast. You know your stuff. You're probably the person, everybody around you asks for tech advice. But if you want to get that job in it, none of that's gonna matter. You're gonna have to get those certs. The certifications that tell your future employer, you got the right stuff. So almost invariably, when somebody wants to get into it, they find a school to learn this stuff or they buy books or whatever.

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Leo Laporte (01:24:05):
Stacey, I don't, I don't know. Are you a top? No. <laugh> so Val Kilmer, as you know, who was in the original top gun is also in the, he

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:14):
Didn't ask me. He knew the answer.

Leo Laporte (01:24:15):
Yeah. Did you go see top gun?

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:17):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:19):
I mean, I had COVID the whole time it was out,

Leo Laporte (01:24:21):
So no, it just came out, but it's, it was huge. It broke huge Val Kilmer and an Iceman of course is in the new top gun. And, and it turns out in the way they handle this. Cause Kilmer had, I think throat cancer, so he can't speak mm-hmm <affirmative> but he did have a line of dialogue in the sequel. How did they do it? AI, AI. But AI is bad. Mr. Leport not this AI. This is good.

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:55):
It's a deep fake, it's a deep, we won't know what it's real now.

Leo Laporte (01:24:59):
So, so NTIC who used

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:01):
To be

Leo Laporte (01:25:01):
Real. They used a voice engine to teach the AI voice model, how to do an accurate impression of Val Kilmer. The engine unfortunately did at about 10 times less data that would've been given in a typical project. That wasn't enough. So they had to come up with better algorithms that could produce a higher quality voice model because there wasn't a lot of Val Kimmer tiller to train it. I guess

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:24):
It wasn't there wouldn't there be tons. He was in showbiz.

Leo Laporte (01:25:27):
I was,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:25:28):
Well, he did, I guess like, think about when he was Jim Morrison for the doors. Did he sound just like, he sounded when oh,

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:34):
That's yeah. That support.

Leo Laporte (01:25:36):
Yeah. Plus, you know, he was only Iceman, you know, in the one movie, you wanna hear it? You wanna hear the synthesized voice? That'd

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:44):
Be weird for him. I would,

Speaker 6 (01:25:45):
We all have the capacity to be creative.

Leo Laporte (01:25:49):
You missed it. Cuz you were talking, we're

Speaker 6 (01:25:50):
All driven to share our deepest dreams and ideas with the world.

Leo Laporte (01:25:53):
Well, that's pretty good. That is really good. Or

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
When we think of the most talented creative people, they speak to us in a unique way. A phrase we often hear is having a creative voice.

Leo Laporte (01:26:10):
So if you didn't, you know, if you saw that in the movie and you, I don't think you'd know it was synthesized.

Ant Pruitt (01:26:16):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:26:16):
Well, you wouldn't expect it to be, I mean, aren't you creeped out by the fact that after you're dead, they could like recreate you.

Leo Laporte (01:26:22):
I hope they do. I creeped out <laugh> where do the Royal checks go? Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:26:27):
I'll I'll bother

Leo Laporte (01:26:28):

Ant Pruitt (01:26:29):
Leo's voice miss Laport I'm

Stacey Higginbotham (01:26:32):
But you could be advocating

Ant Pruitt (01:26:33):
From coming back as dev Noel.

Leo Laporte (01:26:35):
Yeah. There's a lot of video me as a virtual character. I'll be better looking better looking this time. <Laugh> you may remember the NFT insider training issue with open sea department of justice is, has charged an ex open sea executive with insider trading. That's the first time they've pursued insider trading with crypto.

Ant Pruitt (01:26:59):

Leo Laporte (01:27:00):
Oh Nate. Chestain the open sea staffer who quit after an insider trading scandal in September is now in the crosshairs of us authorities. He was charged today with wire fraud and money laundering. This, this, we, we had the story a couple of weeks ago before the NFTs were offered to the public. He was buying 'em up and then flipping them dozens of NFTs, deciding which he got to decide, which ones were featured on the website. <Laugh> so he would make 200 to 500%. Boom, just like that. Oh yeah. And of course he hid his purchases using anonymous digital currency, wallets and anonymous, open sea accounts. Not anonymous enough, apparently

Ant Pruitt (01:27:44):
Air quote anonymous.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:47):

Leo Laporte (01:27:49):

Ant Pruitt (01:27:51):
That's your own saying though, right, sir. Make sure you're not the last person holding the bag. Yeah. Just be the next to the last

Leo Laporte (01:27:57):
Person. Yeah. So open sea said it investigated once it found out about his actions, asked him to resign. His behavior was a violation of employee policies. He's actually currently working on a new NFT project called oval. He was arrested this morning in New York. So maybe that's gonna be on hold if you are in France, do not call it Lu streaming. <Laugh> you, if you are a streamer, you are not a stream Lu streamer and you are a streamer. You are Zu and direct and eSports is your video. The competition.

Ant Pruitt (01:28:40):
Oh, it's not

Leo Laporte (01:28:41):
Lesbos, not Les. The Ebo.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:44):
And you know, a computer is not a computer. It is LA net too.

Leo Laporte (01:28:49):
Lo net too, say

Ant Pruitt (01:28:49):
A computer LA net

Leo Laporte (01:28:50):
The computer. So the changes were made in consultation with France's ministry of culture. Do they still have

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:58):
Those people?

Leo Laporte (01:28:58):
What was it called? There was a name for the people who were responsible for keeping the French language pure.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:05):
Yeah. It's like the, yeah, it's the language. Oh it's

Leo Laporte (01:29:07):
Oh, it's a whole, it's an organization. It's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:09):
It's yeah, they have, it's like their literature college, but it's, it's basically their language

Leo Laporte (01:29:16):
Process. I don't know if they were involved in this. But 

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:21):
They had to be involved. That's the only way it happens.

Leo Laporte (01:29:24):
<Laugh> the, and that, well, they have a reasonable thing. It's concerned that English terms could become a barrier to understanding for non-gamers oh academy. True. False says that's what it's called. That's thank you. Yes. Yeah. Francis language keepers, LA academy, Paul says, has also expressed concern about English jargon and gaming. So they were the ones who proposed the alternate French terms back in 2017. This

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:52):
Is, this is the language that gave us fat too. Jogging FDU, Chaing.

Leo Laporte (01:29:56):
Yeah. And Louis play two shopping. Yeah. And little weekend. Little

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:58):
T-Shirt. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:29:59):
Low weekend. So I don't blame 'em they want to preserve. So for a while they tried to stop wifi. That's a French guy. Yeah. They tried to stop the word wifi, which by the way, the French pronounced Wey, which is not we. Yeah. Which is, I love it. Heard that a lot. So I heard that a lot. Wey yeah. Academy SFI. They tried to get the French people to say Intel net. <Laugh> like Intel net, but, or Intel net. I don't know. It didn't work. So there doesn't always work. But in this case you are a hunter act and a video on for cloud gaming. NOJ in the cloud video game, in the cloud video on, oh, <inaudible> we already enjoy that from, from <laugh>. Did, did we do this story? No, I guess we did it on Sunday. You know? Halsy do you like Halsy I like Halsy I like her work. Did we do this story last week? Jeff? Sure. No, no idea. So she has a new

Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:19):
Re Jeff know who Halsy is.

Leo Laporte (01:31:20):
Do you know who Halsy is? You would like her music kind of I'll play a little here. Listen, here's a little bit her music. So this is a TikTok that she posted. I'm not gonna play the whole thing, cuz I don't want Halsy to get mad at me, but she, she posted TikTok. Now, maybe this was a publicity stint. I stunt, I don't know she's so she's playing the song and then you know how they on TikTok the text over it. Basically she wrote, I have a song I love, I wanna release ASAP, but my record label won't let me, I've been in this industry for eight years. I've sold over 165 million records. And my record company is saying, I can't release it until they can fake a viral moment on TikTok. Everything is marketing and they're doing this to basically every artist these days.

Leo Laporte (01:32:07):
I just wanna release music, man. And I deserve better TBH. I'm tired. In fact after this, a lot of others artists said, yeah, that's right. Our labels say go viral on TikTok or we that's not a single Gavin MC D degra in shared a parody version of his 2003 hit singing. I don't wanna be on TikTok, but my label told me I have to <laugh> English songwriter. FKA, twigs said her label was not only making her create and post TikTok videos, but they wanted her to post videos multiple times a day.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:49):
That makes sense. So what the heck is Lizzo doing on TikTok? A cuz she's got like the song you can't escape, but B Liz's always on TikTok. Well, she responds to everything that like she likes, she just like, okay,

Leo Laporte (01:33:01):
She likes it and she's even got a TikTok dance. So yeah, this article in T TNW says Lizzo regularly shares, memes, vlogs and recipe videos. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> on TikTok and heavily promoted her most recent release. It's about damn time. She

Speaker 7 (01:33:20):
Please don't do your head. I,

Leo Laporte (01:33:22):
I can't do

Speaker 7 (01:33:22):
The head. <Laugh> geez. Can you do it ahead?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:27):
Just let Lizzo do it. No, just

Speaker 7 (01:33:28):
Let Liz. No, I cannot. And I'm not gonna try. I

Leo Laporte (01:33:31):
Wanna be able to

Speaker 7 (01:33:32):

Leo Laporte (01:33:35):
I can't let's get you

Speaker 7 (01:33:36):
Get a

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:37):
Actually here's here's what you do for that. You do. It's about damn time.

Leo Laporte (01:33:42):
It's about damn,

Speaker 7 (01:33:43):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:43):
That's actually the

Leo Laporte (01:33:44):
Move. Here we go. Ready? Yeah. Turn it up. Here we go.

Speaker 7 (01:33:47):
It's about damn time. There

Leo Laporte (01:33:49):
You go. Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:33:51):
Geez. All

Leo Laporte (01:33:52):
Right, everybody do it that damn time. It's about damn

Speaker 7 (01:33:56):
Time. You go in a minute

Leo Laporte (01:33:58):
In a minute

Speaker 7 (01:34:00):
In a one minute.

Leo Laporte (01:34:01):
In one minute.

Speaker 7 (01:34:03):
I'm Anita.

Leo Laporte (01:34:04):
I'm Anita

Speaker 7 (01:34:05):
In woman, man, a woman old woman, man or woman, woman, not man or woman, man or woman, man, or woman to pump me up to pump me up. Okay. Tell me I'll be going. Oh, me up. Pump me up. Pump me up. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:34:22):

Speaker 7 (01:34:23):
This is in my, this is how you do the dance.

Leo Laporte (01:34:27):
I love Lizzo. And by the way,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:30):
I, I was waiting for you to do your

Leo Laporte (01:34:32):
God bless her because she's not wearing any makeup or anything. She looks great. I just love her. She's real.

Speaker 7 (01:34:38):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:39):
Well she's playing her, her. I think her internet persona is close to who she is. And she has created an authentic person,

Speaker 7 (01:34:48):
A face. You know what gets me with this story is what Y

Leo Laporte (01:34:58):
Fuck is this? No, don't do that. Melissa CLIC C

Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:05):
You, you gotta end it. You, you kept going. That was not right. I

Leo Laporte (01:35:08):
Love her. I love her 23.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:12):
She just check her. She, she can play the flute, which I knew, but

Leo Laporte (01:35:15):
She's a very good flat.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:16):
She really can play the flute.

Leo Laporte (01:35:17):
Did you see her at the met gala? She has her flute. She throws off her Cape plays up and she says, that's all you're getting and <laugh> smart, smart.

Ant Pruitt (01:35:26):
You gotta pay for

Leo Laporte (01:35:27):
This. You gotta pay for this. You

Ant Pruitt (01:35:29):

Leo Laporte (01:35:30):
What, what,

Ant Pruitt (01:35:30):
What I get about this story is there are artists that are in that position of saying where the labels tell 'em they need to go viral on TikTok, but there's just as many artists out there that sort of live the whole democratization of creative arts where they're, that's a good point going to TikTok first.

Leo Laporte (01:35:47):

Ant Pruitt (01:35:48):
A good point. And then the labels are coming to them after, you know, it's like, they have the leverage then. And I've I've I don't get why they want to just why they won't just do this themselves and say, you know what? I'm just gonna build a bigger audience because maybe another label is gonna come to me because of my following. Not saying I have to have a certain type of following,

Leo Laporte (01:36:10):
Like this guy, or like you're the main lobster man.

Speaker 8 (01:36:13):
So this is quite possibly the biggest lobster that we have ever caught. And the only reason we were able to catch it is because he had a small claw at some point in his life, he lost his claw and he grew back some new ones. So unfortunately,

Leo Laporte (01:36:24):
Oh, I thought he was gonna sing or something. Jeff, but Jeff, Jeff put this in. He he's a hundred year old lobster. He's be Tony it, throw it back in

Ant Pruitt (01:36:34):
That. Can't be good. Think

Speaker 8 (01:36:35):
About it. My father is very likely caught this lobster at one point in his life. So is my grandfather

Leo Laporte (01:36:40):

Speaker 8 (01:36:40):
And possibly my great grandfather. What caught it, if you wanna get crazy, it's possible that my great, great grandfather caught that lobster when he was the baby. They've all fished the same area for years.

Leo Laporte (01:36:51):
Well, that's kind of cool. Been

Speaker 8 (01:36:52):
De migrate through the same

Leo Laporte (01:36:53):
Areas, but, but your great-great grandfather when he caught it, would've had it. A lot of people didn't really understand it.

Ant Pruitt (01:36:59):
How could in

Speaker 8 (01:37:00):
Grandfather have caught it? They would've been legal size, but

Leo Laporte (01:37:04):
See, 90 years

Speaker 8 (01:37:05):
When he was young

Leo Laporte (01:37:07):
Could have been too small or too big. This

Speaker 8 (01:37:09):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:09):
Would've been, oh my God, lobsters look so much like spiders and I cannot.

Leo Laporte (01:37:13):
I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. Anyway, at the end he gives it a fish and sends it on there. He gives it a fish. Aw. He feeds it. He says, here you go lobster. I'm sorry. I scared you. And go have a fish. He's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:26):
Pretty healthy though. Let's say someone rocks into your house, pulls you out at like gun point. I know. And totally traumatizes you fish, fish have

Leo Laporte (01:37:34):
Fun. Like who cares? Wouldn't happen in Sweden? They wouldn't give you a fish. <Laugh> they just throw you. You say lobster you're on your own. Just throw you back. Don't I thought

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:46):
Someone else was cooking you food lobster. Go on. Piss for you

Leo Laporte (01:37:52):
Is nasty. <Laugh> the joy of watching this is,

Jeff Jarvis (01:38:00):
Oh, this is fun. This is fun.

Leo Laporte (01:38:02):
This is another Jeff I'm mourning you. Yeah, it is. It is the joy of watching a movie. <Laugh> okay. All right. I love this. See his Snapchat filter. So what he does is he's watching there will be blood great movie, very serious. Is it Daniel Day Lewis? Who's in it. Who's in it. It is. Yes. His Barry, you know, he'll drink my milkshake. I drink your milkshake. So he decides to filter him through the Googley eyes, Snapchat filter <laugh> and it's not, it's not quite the same. Let's turn on the sound here. Get the full effect it.

Speaker 9 (01:38:39):
Now I am a sinner. I'm a say it louder. I am

Speaker 10 (01:38:44):
A sinner. I'm a sinner. Louder. Daniel.

Jeff Jarvis (01:38:47):
That's creepy. I'm a sinner.

Speaker 10 (01:38:48):
I am a sinner. I am sorry, Lord. I'm sorry, Lord. I

Leo Laporte (01:38:52):
Want, oh, that's just creepy.

Jeff Jarvis (01:38:55):
Creepy, creepy.

Leo Laporte (01:38:56):
There's other stuff.

Jeff Jarvis (01:38:58):
Oh yeah. Go up, up or down. This is the second one of the thread.

Leo Laporte (01:39:01):
What, what movie is this? <Laugh> so how do you do that?

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:05):
On there's some dirty words there.

Leo Laporte (01:39:07):
Oh, I'm not gonna play the sound. I don't wanna take to. How do you, how do you do this? You just you point your, your camera. Well,

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:14):
So it's a new filter. The article below says, this is a, this is, I forget what they call it. It's a certain filter.

Leo Laporte (01:39:18):
It's like a go filter.

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:20):
Dunno, know how we then watched the movie through it?

Leo Laporte (01:39:23):
<Laugh> I'm gonna watch everything. Yeah. You know, this is the greatest, you know what this, you know, what's gonna sell. I've been wondering what the killer app for years, what's gonna be the killer app for virtual reality or augmented reality glasses. Imagine your augmented reality glasses could make everybody you meet. Look like that. Yeah. <laugh> as you're walking down the street, right. Life will be

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:46):
Either way more fun or way more creepy.

Leo Laporte (01:39:50):
Oh yeah. Wow. So what's the name of that filter? Cuz I wanna

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:54):
It's the next line below. It's called the, I should have remembered that it

Leo Laporte (01:39:57):
Looks like a there it's it's a here's the good news. <Laugh> the good, the bad, the ugly Eli wall twentie would, may be the best. I don't know how to describe this. This cut. Ecstasy of gold.

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:12):
<Laugh> sorry. Audio people. 

Leo Laporte (01:40:19):
So we gotta put, we gotta put up a, how do I do this filter?

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:22):
Well, hold on. What what's what does it say there?

Leo Laporte (01:40:24):
Well, let me see here. What's the, what's the name of the filter. So

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:27):
It's called the shook.

Leo Laporte (01:40:30):
Shook. Okay. Let me see if I can cast this. Oh, I found it. Hey kids.

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:43):

Leo Laporte (01:40:45):
I gotta, I gotta airplay this.

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:48):
Oh, that's amazing. No.

Leo Laporte (01:40:50):
Do you see it now? Do you see me now?

Ant Pruitt (01:40:52):

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:53):
There you are.

Leo Laporte (01:40:53):
I look like Gary Vayner truck.

Ant Pruitt (01:40:56):
<Laugh> oh my God. <Laugh> oh, so not

Leo Laporte (01:41:00):
Good. Okay. Let's see what? Oh, geez. Let's see what Jarvis looks like. Actually that's that's something we can do here. Let's see what? See Jeff Jarvis. Hey Jeff. <Laugh> wait a minute. Stacy. Stacy.

Ant Pruitt (01:41:15):
Super disturbing. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:41:22):
There. Oh, that's more like, oh, there we go. That's more like it.

Ant Pruitt (01:41:25):
Oh. I was like, I ha I have a wig like that.

Leo Laporte (01:41:30):
So I, oh yeah. I think with the, with the Haye coming outta your mouth, but I don't know where shook it. Oh, look at that. Oh,

Ant Pruitt (01:41:38):
Oh. Oh, wait a minute.

Leo Laporte (01:41:41):
Let's see if I could fix Jeff. No, this can't help you at all. It doesn't help you at all.

Ant Pruitt (01:41:48):
There's no help. Or it's kind of pretty. Oh, well, no, that got better. That it's

Leo Laporte (01:41:52):
Kind of pretty <laugh> all right.

Ant Pruitt (01:41:55):
I have frequency separation. Oh, oh wow. Dude. I look Asian smooth, very different. I almost looked like Filipino. Like Joe coy. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:42:09):
There you go. That's your Cadillac. That's it

Ant Pruitt (01:42:12):
Right there. <Laugh> with the hay seed. I tell you what <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:42:17):
So I gotta find,

Ant Pruitt (01:42:19):
What about I want, I want Jamer B Jamer B you gotta walk over there for Jamer B, come on over here, Mr. Jamer B

Leo Laporte (01:42:25):
Let me find us. Let me find a good one for Jamer B though. How busy he says he's busy. This is so much I got,

Ant Pruitt (01:42:34):
I got one. I'm trying to manage

Leo Laporte (01:42:36):

Ant Pruitt (01:42:38):

Leo Laporte (01:42:39):
You know, this is so stupid. This is so stupid.

Ant Pruitt (01:42:43):
God bless the internet. Folks. Bless be internet.

Leo Laporte (01:42:46):
Oh, leave Jamer pee

Ant Pruitt (01:42:50):
Alone. You remember leave them alone? No, <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:42:59):
I can't find that.

Ant Pruitt (01:43:00):
Stacy says I got off my sick bed for this.

Leo Laporte (01:43:02):
I can't. I wanna find the shook Snook one. Although I think all movies. There we go. There we go. There we go. Let's see Jeff Jarvis. Now wait a minute. I gotta flip you around here. Let's see Jeff Jarvis now. <Laugh> oh boy.

Ant Pruitt (01:43:18):
Oh my

Leo Laporte (01:43:19):
That is that's the, that's the inner Jeff channeling channeling right through that one. This is so childless.

Ant Pruitt (01:43:25):
It's like seriously disturbing.

Leo Laporte (01:43:26):
It's so childish. <Laugh> do.

Ant Pruitt (01:43:29):
Oh gosh, run. Oh God. It gives you chin.

Leo Laporte (01:43:35):

Ant Pruitt (01:43:36):
Was worse than the spider lobster. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:43:39):
Okay. Oh

Ant Pruitt (01:43:41):
See, thank you TikTok for showing

Leo Laporte (01:43:43):
Us. Thank you, TikTok. And thank you Snapchat.

Ant Pruitt (01:43:47):
Thank you internet. Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:43:48):
See, they want the bad guys. Wanna shut this all down. <Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (01:43:54):
Mr. Jarvis, I've been sharing to TikTok more often. Have you noticed that? Have you,

Leo Laporte (01:44:00):
What do you put on there?

Ant Pruitt (01:44:02):
Just random. The same stuff that I would sort of put on Instagram reels. I just put it on. Tiktok is,

Leo Laporte (01:44:09):

Ant Pruitt (01:44:09):

Jeff Jarvis (01:44:10):
It's nothing to follow you. I don't. They don't you and salt. Hank. I don't see.

Leo Laporte (01:44:13):
Yeah. It's all imaginary following. Right? You just have to search for them basically. Oh, you're putting a lot of stuff up there. A lot of stuff.

Jeff Jarvis (01:44:21):
Were you singing a dancing ant?

Ant Pruitt (01:44:23):
That would be no.

Leo Laporte (01:44:25):
An the musical.

Ant Pruitt (01:44:28):
Well, I've just been noticing some, some weird activity with Instagram. So I said, I'm gonna start checking out TikTok to see if I get the same type of performance. Cuz I'm looking at analytics. Not that I'm salt tank or anything, but you know, I don't, I only have like a hundred or so followers on TikTok and I'll get three, 400 different views.

Leo Laporte (01:44:49):
Oh this is the minor top. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

Ant Pruitt (01:44:52):
You know, versus Instagram stuff is barely getting seen. Everybody

Leo Laporte (01:44:56):
Loves a dog, 1200 views on that one.

Jeff Jarvis (01:44:59):
What's your handle again? It's

Leo Laporte (01:45:01):
An underscore point. Can

Ant Pruitt (01:45:03):
Underscore proof

Jeff Jarvis (01:45:03):
Underscore, right? Yes, sir. There you are. There you are. Oh, I thought I already followed. I don't know if I didn't follow you. I follow you now. Okay. Oh,

Ant Pruitt (01:45:11):
But I've been playing with it just to see how it's going to pan out from an analytics standpoint. Cuz it seems like Instagram they're doing changes with how they're trying to prioritize things. So they want you to do more reels. And then I saw that what's his name? Maor Adam, Missouri to pronounce his last Sur

Jeff Jarvis (01:45:29):
Adam Maari.

Leo Laporte (01:45:31):
He Instagram guy.

Ant Pruitt (01:45:33):
Yeah. The potential of having more vertical photographs show up on the regular feed versus it just being inside of the story. So I've even changed how I put my images on there. Cause I used to do 'em in a one to one aspect ratio. Now I do. 'em In a four to five aspect ratio. Cause they're a little bit longer just to see how it performs there. And it's still weird cuz it seems like my reach is going down in Instagram, but my reach is going up in TikTok. Even though I have, you know, like 3,500 followers in Instagram versus a hundred followers. And this

Leo Laporte (01:46:08):
Is the fascinating thing about TikTok and it's the thing. My son is always trying to figure out and study and he does AB experiments. He does all sorts of stuff to see what generates more traffic. He tells me it's the likes, not the

Ant Pruitt (01:46:21):
Views. Yeah. And I'm getting now I'm getting likes in TikTok. My phone is always saying so and so liked me. Not, not that I'm getting more followers, but there's always

Leo Laporte (01:46:29):
Like, and the likes are important. I think he says that's a signal to TikTok. And of course the ultimate goal is to get TikTok, to promote it. Then it shows up, see the in the four U

Jeff Jarvis (01:46:38):
Page people's four U

Leo Laporte (01:46:39):
Pages. Yeah. Which is see no the who you follow doesn't seem to do anything. But for U page is critical. No. So yeah. State

Jeff Jarvis (01:46:46):
Tartar 7.1 million views

Leo Laporte (01:46:48):
For way. Geez to go. Yeah. He's 2.1 million followers. Now he's not posting a lot lately. I don't know. Maybe he's gotten, he got busy. I don't know. He went to New York. He's probably talking to the agents and all that stuff. I don't know. He's got a book

Jeff Jarvis (01:47:01):
He's too big for you

Leo Laporte (01:47:02):
Now. He's I don't even talk to good for him. It's like, who are you good for him? I have to get his agent on the line and say, can I you're

Jeff Jarvis (01:47:09):
You're the Jod VO of, of TikTok. Yeah, the

Leo Laporte (01:47:12):
Cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon, little blue and the men moon. Google docs. Oh no, this is the change log. Should I do a changelog this week? What do you think

Jeff Jarvis (01:47:21):
You didn't do? Well,

Leo Laporte (01:47:22):
Sure. I didn't over last week. Cause it was so lame. It

Jeff Jarvis (01:47:25):
Was lame. No, no, no name of a bad word.

Leo Laporte (01:47:28):
Jasons is lame. A bad word. Can I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:30):
Say that? Lame is a bad word. Yes. Damnit LA is, is technically

Leo Laporte (01:47:32):
It was so pathetic. Can I say pathetic?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:34):
Amber Ruffin? Yes. You can say that Amber Ruffin did a really good thing on words that she's like retiring. This was like two years ago. And it's a really good little bit.

Leo Laporte (01:47:43):
I'm never gonna

Jeff Jarvis (01:47:44):
Say if somebody calls himself that you shouldn't, you shouldn't use it in a deprecating fashion.

Leo Laporte (01:47:49):
Lame means halt that you have a limp you're halting. Yeah. Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:54):
Well and you're it's derogatory if, I mean, when we use lame, we use it. Not like you can say this horse's lame

Leo Laporte (01:48:00):
Then because it really is totally fine.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:02):
Right. But you're describing someone

Jeff Jarvis (01:48:04):
Who you can say a person is lame because they're they're limping it. Yes. But, but if you use it as an insult, it's a problem. Or use it as a negative. It's a derogatory term.

Leo Laporte (01:48:12):
See, I understand that. Cuz it's you don't want to put down somebody who has a limp, but honestly this is lame <laugh> so I mean it's it's it's the change

Ant Pruitt (01:48:22):
Log is

Leo Laporte (01:48:22):
Limping along. It's limping along. I mean it, I think

Jeff Jarvis (01:48:25):
It's now right now you're insulting Jason, how that's the problem? It

Leo Laporte (01:48:28):
Is an appropriate. We are now it's a metaphor. It's a metaphor. It's not trying to put somebody down. It's just a metaphor. I understand. I won't use it, but I do. I worry that at some point we're gonna not have it

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:39):
Really think. No, I, I really think you're reaching here because okay, so this one is limping along. You could just say it's limping along, but when you say lame like that, you are saying something derogatory about a change log. You're not saying that the change log can't walk. Once you move to the metaphorical space, you're really on.

Leo Laporte (01:48:58):
Can we see that facial expression again?

Jeff Jarvis (01:49:01):
Can I see that on the,

Leo Laporte (01:49:03):

Jeff Jarvis (01:49:03):
Filter please? That's where I really wanna see it.

Leo Laporte (01:49:08):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:10):
I'm sorry. It's true.

Leo Laporte (01:49:11):
No, it's good. I'm really trying to figure it out. This is a trash it's okay to say this

Ant Pruitt (01:49:15):
Is a trash change log. Is

Leo Laporte (01:49:16):
It okay to say that? Yeah. You just say it's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:18):
A trash,

Leo Laporte (01:49:19):
But you can't say it's trailer trash change log. No don't say, cause that would, that would then be insulting to trailer trash. Yes. Like if there's a person associated with the insult, then you can't use it.

Jeff Jarvis (01:49:34):
That's pretty much. That makes

Leo Laporte (01:49:35):
Sense. Okay. That makes sense. Okay. I am glad I'm an old man, because I I can get away with this. They just say, oh, okay. Boomer. This change log is compost. It's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:48):
Compost. Just say

Jeff Jarvis (01:49:49):
This is,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:51):
This is a terrible change look.

Jeff Jarvis (01:49:52):
But does he even know yet?

Leo Laporte (01:49:54):
Terrible means last week's was what does terrible mean? Literally terrible means

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:57):
This is a dull change log.

Leo Laporte (01:49:59):
Dull is so is it dull is dull. Okay. It's a dull is a dull adjective, dull. So, but I'm gonna work harder to be a better writer. And I'm gonna come up with a good word. This change log is lamb bent,

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:13):
But you're talking about last week's change log. Do you know that this week's is bad

Leo Laporte (01:50:16):
Yet? No, I haven't even looked at this one yet.

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:18):
That's the thing. So you're being triple unfair.

Leo Laporte (01:50:22):
No, I was, I was saying something nice about it. It's lamped I

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:25):
Now can't see your face

Leo Laporte (01:50:26):
Is a

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:27):
Sticky. It's gonna pop out

Leo Laporte (01:50:28):
And googleize a weird

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:30):
Mouth. It it's ruined for me.

Leo Laporte (01:50:32):
Jason says as long as there is a change log section in the document, I will continue to fill it with terrible news.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:43):
Thank you, Jason.

Leo Laporte (01:50:44):
Thank you, Jason.

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:45):
We could make fun of them about me knowing we can't do anything until we are we gonna play the trumpets

Leo Laporte (01:50:48):
Or not? Yeah, go ahead. Play the trumpets. All right.

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:51):
The Google change log number 1 0 9.

Leo Laporte (01:50:56):
No, this is a big story actually. Yeah, actually this is so again with the messaging, Google is changing things up and the

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:03):

Leo Laporte (01:51:03):
Wrong one. John, this one, what the hell's going on?

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:07):

Leo Laporte (01:51:09):
When did I lose control this one in front of me? Google is combining meat and duo into a single app. They're gonna call it deep or is it Moo? I don't

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:20):
Know. It's even dumber than that. They're gonna call it meat, but it's actually built on

Leo Laporte (01:51:24):
Duo. It is duo, but they're cha so basically they're changing the name. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They're cha by the way, I love your nails.

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:32):
The nails are great. Yeah. Those are those

Leo Laporte (01:51:33):
Are cool. Is that something you did while you were Duris

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:35):
Care at isolation?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:37):
So this is actually the day before I tested positive. It's so old. And you can tell if you see how much my nails have grown out. Oh. But I just kind of got lazy. I didn't have nail Polish.

Leo Laporte (01:51:46):
No, I like that color. It's kind of a light blue it's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:51:49):
Yeah. It's cool.

Leo Laporte (01:51:50):
Blue Google is, oh God, pretty soon. There will only be Google meet, but it will be duo.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:52:03):
Does this mean I have to invite everybody onto duo again, cuz you know, it's hard to convince people in the first place and they just,

Leo Laporte (01:52:12):
Ugh. So duo, which is like FaceTime, right? It's like it's for video calls. I use it with my daughter cuz she's an Android user. It's great. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> in fact it has that nice feature where you knock. So when you call somebody, if you want, it will show your video. So the person can, without answering it can see that you're calling. So you can kind of ha you know, talk to me, please. I beg of you that kind of thing. It's. So meet, which is their zoom. Right? I don't know if they're gonna add zoom, like or meet like features into duo. It's not clear. It's just, it's very it's as usual. It's so

Ant Pruitt (01:52:51):
Google. It is

Leo Laporte (01:52:51):
So, so Google, Google is gonna this is from the verge. As the two services become one. Google is leaning on Duo's mobile app. As the default, pretty soon the duo app will get an update that brings an onslaught of meat features into the platform. Later this year, the duo app will be renamed Google meat. The current meat app will be called meat original <laugh>

Ant Pruitt (01:53:17):
And then there's Google. Is this a, is this a nice way of saying they're killing duo?

Leo Laporte (01:53:21):
No, they're killing meat,

Ant Pruitt (01:53:23):
Killing meat. It's just like the only thing I use on a regular big

Leo Laporte (01:53:28):
Love meat, but, but you can continue to use meat and it, and, and it'll have some, I

Ant Pruitt (01:53:34):
Dunno, big, no sense.

Leo Laporte (01:53:35):
The duo mobile app, according to Dave's Citron, the director of product for Google's video products, the dual mobile app had a lot of sophistication, especially. Yeah. He's gotta explain this. Especially under the hood, especially in emerging markets where network connectivity with sparse are highly available variable on the web. It's different me is much more developed web. So it forms the base of the new combined system. But in both cases, the idea is 100% of the functionality combined forces and no users left behind. That's the, the, the line today. Anyway, what is wrong with these guys?

Ant Pruitt (01:54:16):

Leo Laporte (01:54:17):
It feels like every time there's a new manager, they, they, they put their mark on it and they change it. And then they, then a year later, it's another thing. This

Ant Pruitt (01:54:25):
It's canine editing. You, you lift your leg and this is when

Leo Laporte (01:54:29):
You're there. I like that canine editing. I know what you're saying.

Ant Pruitt (01:54:31):
This is when Patia, wait, are we insulting dogs?

Leo Laporte (01:54:34):

Ant Pruitt (01:54:36):
<Laugh> this is

Leo Laporte (01:54:39):
The Google change log leg lift edition. What did you, what did you ask aunt? You said something. I

Ant Pruitt (01:54:46):
Don't know. No I'm saying shouldn't put Chi step in. I mean, this, this is the type of stuff that a CEO should sort of reign in and be like, look, we need to get our crap together.

Leo Laporte (01:54:55):
Yeah. And leadership focused clearly there is none. Yeah. And I, this is Mike Egan's contention is that Pacha is not a very good leader. And I have to say, I think so, right. Google docs is getting a, now you can do this one, a big upgrade in formatting. You could change multiple blocks of text at once. Oh, this is pathetic.

Ant Pruitt (01:55:16):
<Laugh> if

Leo Laporte (01:55:19):
You have big upgrade,

Ant Pruitt (01:55:20):
Leo, it's not just an upgrade. It's

Leo Laporte (01:55:21):
A big upgrade. Let's see. Here's project black prior. So you have these two blocks project overview and market trends. And you wanna change the bold on both. So it's, you can select both and change. Yeah. Change them both to bold. And they both get changed even though they're discontinuous, discontinuous blocks of text. So you hold the command or control key holding it down, select the other bits. You kinda understand how to do that. That's that's always been a way to say getting

Jeff Jarvis (01:55:48):
All of those word power users hyped up.

Leo Laporte (01:55:51):
Right. And maybe, you know,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:55:53):
I could, I could use that. So

Jeff Jarvis (01:55:56):
Yeah, I could too. I could use

Leo Laporte (01:55:57):
The book. And if you have the paint brush, you know what you could do is get one of those exactly. As you wanted here, he is changing all the fonts and everything and then making really ugly, making it so ugly and then selecting all the other ones and making 'em the same.

Jeff Jarvis (01:56:10):
It's just, it's just a formatted payment. Isn't that? The format payment in

Leo Laporte (01:56:14):
Word. Yes. Right. Very similar. Google says the feature will gradually roll out to everybody's account for the next 15 days. So look for it in a Google doc near you,

Jeff Jarvis (01:56:27):
By the way, can I, can I just interrupt one second here? Cuz it's what I do. So I just had to send out invitations to an event I hope to have COVID willing at the end of the month. Yeah. And to send out 40 emails because of my bere beloved Chromebook. And I could save up to five things, separate things and then insert them. Whichever one I wanted. Right. That Chromebook feature that came out a couple years ago. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was heavenly. I saved the to do I saved the names. I saved the subject line. I saved the body of the email. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. It's wonderful. Good. That's possible because you have Chromebook. I just wanna say that I just haven't

Leo Laporte (01:57:04):
That's power user Jake. What's

Jeff Jarvis (01:57:06):
The Chromebook. What

Leo Laporte (01:57:07):
Is that? Youtube for Android and iOS

Jeff Jarvis (01:57:12):
Guy ant

Leo Laporte (01:57:14):
Can now connect to your TV for easy commenting and sharing.

Jeff Jarvis (01:57:20):
I have no idea what that means. Oh

Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:21):
Great. This is exactly what we need in the world.

Leo Laporte (01:57:28):

Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:31):
Easier commenting and sharing on YouTube.

Leo Laporte (01:57:34):
Oh, okay. Fine. I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:35):
Don't know what from my

Leo Laporte (01:57:36):
Television and from your TV, I guess that's the idea, right?

Jeff Jarvis (01:57:38):
That's the idea.

Leo Laporte (01:57:39):
Yes. by the way, Google has launched a new app in the app store in iOS. Google TV has a, is a, is a new app. The Google TV app, Google iPhone users can get recommendations from across streaming apps, a watch list for the discoveries, a four U tab with watch lists from their favorite stars on the go content library. The ability to rate movies and shows all the latest info, their favorite content, as well as the option to use their photos, their remote for Google TVs and other Android TV ice devices. The only thing you can't do is actually watch any of these shows. <Laugh> I dunno, can you, they don't mention that I'm this kind of replaces, Google play movies and TV, I guess. 

Jeff Jarvis (01:58:21):
But it's really built on duo with a touch on Google talk. Yes. And Google play movies, which was dead. Cuz it's now YouTube movies. We're gonna build it on the Google play with some Google. Plus

Leo Laporte (01:58:33):
If you had the Google play movies and TV app on iOS and you didn't delete it when they, you know, deprecated, it, it will turn into the new Google TV app. I was remiss. I should have downloaded this on iOS before the show and I forgot. I meant to, I wanted to you

Jeff Jarvis (01:58:51):
Bring an apple product to this

Leo Laporte (01:58:53):
Show. I do as well as a pixel six. I got 'em both. Okay. Alright. Okay. Don't worry. All right. Just relax. It's funny, cuz it's thinks I've already downloaded this. You know how you get the, like you already downloaded. It's not a new one. So I don't maybe that's cuz I had play movies and TVs before. That's interesting. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> search across streaming, but I, I, I wanna check this cuz my, my question is can I play something but maybe I don't know, welcome to Google TV. You can tell it what you subscribe to do. Huh?

Jeff Jarvis (01:59:26):
Do we care? No. Let's change. Lock. Keep

Leo Laporte (01:59:28):
Going. I care. I care. I just, it seems like it's kind of silly if all you can do is search for stuff

Jeff Jarvis (01:59:35):
As he Stacy's head going down.

Leo Laporte (01:59:36):
So let me wa let me, let me watch something. Let me, he says move along, move along. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, but when you say watch, now it then opens up the other app or the web. So it is just really kind of a search thing. All right. This is for you, Jeff. You better enjoy it. Chrome OS 102 is rolling out SBC cable alerts.

Jeff Jarvis (02:00:05):
Oh, you bought the wrong cable. You idiot.

Leo Laporte (02:00:08):
Yes. It'll yes.

Jeff Jarvis (02:00:09):
That's actually what

Leo Laporte (02:00:10):
It does. That's fantastic. It'll alert you when USBC cables don't support a display or quote isn't performing ideally for your laptop or if it doesn't support USB four or Thunderbolt three standards, if, and that your Chromebook does et cetera, etcetera. So this is great. This is thank you. Benson Leon, who is the guy who remember this was reviewing types of cables. He was cup. He was the, yeah, the USB cup on Amazon. He was saying, this one doesn't work. This one does. He is a viewer. He is in our TWI social Masson instance. And I thank he very much. This is his awesome.

Jeff Jarvis (02:00:46):
And Glen Fleishman is an expert in USB as well. Our new friend.

Leo Laporte (02:00:49):
Yeah. Benson says all USBC cables, even those without logos. And that's the big problem they're supposed to put logos on there, but they never do identify themselves to the computer. Precisely using PD. My team reads that in front. Now we eliminate a silent failure failure. When the user uses a USB 2.0 cable with a DP Docker monitor, we can give you a warning. Thank you, Benson. That's good.

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:14):
I was surprised somebody didn't come up with a hardware device so you could test your USB cable.

Leo Laporte (02:01:18):
Well, you have one now it's called a Chromebook

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:20):
Or, or yeah, I don't have one. See, another reason another reason to get a Chromebook

Leo Laporte (02:01:25):
Will this, okay, so will Chrome S 1 0 2, probably won't be on. Will it be on all Chromebooks? Have you updated

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:32):
Yet? I'm I'm it's updating right

Leo Laporte (02:01:34):
Now. Good.

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:36):

Leo Laporte (02:01:36):
Very excited. That's nice. Double tapping on a zip will. Now add extract all option in the menu. That's kind of what happens on a desktop, you know, normal computer. Good, good. This is good. Chromeo S 1 0 2. Thank you. See

Jeff Jarvis (02:01:55):

Leo Laporte (02:01:55):
New. And that's the Google changed. See that wasn't anything painful. That was regen. It wasent was good. It was Reul.

Jeff Jarvis (02:02:12):
I think Websters is taking all of that.

Leo Laporte (02:02:15):
I've got this Asuras open and I'm not afraid to use it. Dot dash Meredith targeting print investments.

Jeff Jarvis (02:02:23):
So this is interesting as, as you know there dot dash Meredith also time, much of time, Inc. Is there killed my baby entertainment weekly in print along with eating well and other magazines in print. And now, and, and, and there was a report two weeks ago. I don't think we mentioned on the show that people magazine might actually go out of print.

Leo Laporte (02:02:43):
We did mention, mention that on the show. That was a big story. Yes.

Jeff Jarvis (02:02:47):
And they lowered the, the circulation from three and a half, 3.2 million to 2.8 million, which is amazing. So now what they're saying is, eh, you know, this mass stuff, these big print stuff. Yeah. We're not so much interested in that, but little tiny niche stuff in print works. So it, it, to me, it marks once again, the end of the era of mass media is the print. It doesn't support, you know, you gotta, you gotta bribe people with, with premiums and all kinds of stuff to get 'em subscribe to a magazine, just so you get advertising. You can't get it anymore. That market is gone. But witness this company enthusiast stuff they're saying still works in prince Leo. I think you should come up with the, the TWI magazine. That's what this says.

Leo Laporte (02:03:27):
Yeah. That's interesting enthusiasm stuff. I think they mean putting Harry styles on the cover of better homes and gardens is what they mean. <Laugh>, that's what they're really saying. This is an Axio story by Sarah Fisher. Thank you, Sarah. There is a typo Sarah, because it says the company has several core print titles, which it does not which

Jeff Jarvis (02:03:49):
Mean that we're immature. We

Leo Laporte (02:03:51):
At they're they're actually well, and your spell checker would not actually say tit is bad is not a word, cuz it is. It's a jot in a tittle people, better homes and gardens, real simple cotton wine. It's it's a, it's a Bible thing. You just wouldn't understand. Travel and leisure. All recipes, Magnolia and Southern living are core print tittles for <laugh> <laugh> is the name of the company dot dash Mary?

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:18):
Yes, it is. Yes.

Leo Laporte (02:04:20):
What's with the dot dash.

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:21):
That's the, that was that's that's the, the the successor to all the stuff that Barry Diller put together and, and he, and he, he rebrands stuff like Google does. And he named it's all content factories and he named it dot dash includes college humor. I think still I forget what all,

Leo Laporte (02:04:38):
So one of the things dot dash put out business was brides in 2019, but now they're thinking of bringing it back because that is I guess, which

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:46):
I used to work on.

Leo Laporte (02:04:47):
Really? It is. Oh yeah. Really? Especially

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:50):
To Seeb

Leo Laporte (02:04:51):
Did you write five pieces? Every true. So absolutely must have. So they're gonna add small pieces of print, not economically relevant to some of our other print brands, according to somebody. This is interesting. They're just basically trying to save the magazine business, but when they put Harry styles on the cover of better homes and gardens, which does not compute really what is normally on the cover of better homes and gardens

Jeff Jarvis (02:05:23):
A home,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:24):
A garden fruit

Leo Laporte (02:05:25):
Cakes, cakes,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:26):

Leo Laporte (02:05:26):
Houses. Yeah, not, not. I

Jeff Jarvis (02:05:28):
Say it's normally houses,

Leo Laporte (02:05:29):
Not rock stars

Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:30):
Or something. Porches.

Leo Laporte (02:05:31):
The company took a big gamble last month by putting Harry styles on the cover of better homes and gardens. But it paid off the first day of the Harry styles issue. We did not put a link of how to buy the magazine online anywhere. And we sold 15,000 co copies.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:48):
Well, we've always known that famous people sell magazine covers. Yes. I mean, that's not new

Leo Laporte (02:05:53):
B H and G, which is how I called the Tittel used to have 7 million subscribers. It's now 4 million used to back.

Jeff Jarvis (02:06:03):
Well, part of our, part of this too, is, is you're getting rid of junk circulation, some circulation for expensive, and it was worth it when you had the ads, right. But when the ads go down, it's not worth it to support the junk circulation anymore. So they've got all kinds of bread. They have eating well, food and wine,

Leo Laporte (02:06:17):
The more niche,

Jeff Jarvis (02:06:18):
All recipes.

Leo Laporte (02:06:19):
It's funny, cuz that's exactly what Ziff Davis did. When they got on the computer magazines. They, they went more, you know, left some of the mainstream titles behind and went more narrow. Speaking of Harry styles, the Jonas brothers are backing a new subscription media biz for celebs

Jeff Jarvis (02:06:36):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:37):
Why does that have to do with Harry

Leo Laporte (02:06:39):
Styles? I don't know. He's kind

Jeff Jarvis (02:06:41):
Of celebrity famous person

Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:43):
Was Harry style. Like what was he,

Leo Laporte (02:06:46):
What was Harry styles in?

Jeff Jarvis (02:06:50):
Wasn't boring right now he was, was interviewed

Leo Laporte (02:06:52):
By Howard. He was in a band. I don't under the Harry styles thing is kind of beyond me, but it's just definitely. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:06:58):
Was he in a band?

Leo Laporte (02:06:59):
I maybe not. I

Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:00):
Think he's his own. No, he, he went on the XFactor.

Leo Laporte (02:07:03):
Oh, so

Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:04):
He's just his own.

Leo Laporte (02:07:05):
He's just his own thing.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:06):
Oh, he was in one direction.

Leo Laporte (02:07:08):
That's what I thought. One direction, one direction, one direction. I remember them. Anyway, Harry has nothing to do with this story. <Laugh> the Jonas brothers, which I don't, you know what it is in my mind, the Jonas brothers and one direction and BTS and things, things you're too old for all these boy bands are kind of similar basically in my mind. Same thing to you, right? Yeah. They're all the same to me. 

Stacey Higginbotham (02:07:32):
Is that the Jonas brothers? Weren't they much earlier than one direction though?

Leo Laporte (02:07:35):
No, maybe. I don't know. I don't know the chronology.

Jeff Jarvis (02:07:37):
Do we care? I care, yes. They sell magazines. Jeff, you should give

Leo Laporte (02:07:43):
A damn. So the Jonas brothers are launching a new subscription media company called it's called subscriber that allows celebrities to charge their biggest fans for exclusive contents via text messages. Would you subscribe who's who's your, who's your heart

Jeff Jarvis (02:07:59):
Story? Oh my God. It's like cameo with

Leo Laporte (02:08:01):
Like words. Yeah. With text messages it's and it, because it's text messages, they don't need an app. They don't have to go in the app store. They don't have to pay 30% to Google or apple mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. 

Jeff Jarvis (02:08:12):
My old employer advance did a company like this and they, and they used, for example, in Cleveland where you could get exclusive texts to you for the, from the sports columnist inside stuff, as the game is going on, things like that, they

Leo Laporte (02:08:25):
Estimate that the super fans represent about one to 5% of the total celebrities fan base. So it's the top 1% of your fans

Jeff Jarvis (02:08:34):
We'll find every way we, every way we possibly can yeah. To get money out of

Leo Laporte (02:08:37):
Them. But the Jonas brothers, as an example, have 50 million Instagram followers, if just 1% subscribed, that'll be $30 million a year for the Jonas brothers. Right. So interesting. This users can subscribe by texting, go to a phone number provided by the celebrity on social media unsubscribed by texting stop or cancel. You could set up recurring payments via apple pay or credit card. You'll get exclusive material behind the scenes videos. I think it's gonna be very successful.

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:07):
Yeah. It's kinda like a news set. Leo, you're gonna start a text subscription. I should do this. The magazine.

Leo Laporte (02:09:12):
Yeah. Yeah. I should do this.

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:15):
I think ed could seriously super serve his fans that's is that way.

Leo Laporte (02:09:20):
Well, and, and it follows in a trend cuz Twitter's got the super follows. Right. And yep. Tiktok has subscription support. Instagram's doing subscriptions. So kind of, this is kind of the the trend, you know, we were a little ahead of that with club twit. We said, you know, we think our super fans and it's, it is about 1% maybe I don't know would pay seven bucks. And we thought initially that was the big come on with no ads, but really it is about the community and about getting to talk to always talk, talk to the people and, and, and have a side conversation, things like that. So I guess that makes sense.

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:56):
I, a story I wanna hear that Stacy's take on is the Roomba operating system. You killed Stacy gain. Who killed her? I feel so bad. I think she inhaled it. I'd you have to bring that up. Her beat. Sorry, Stacy. I won't say it again. I'm sorry. I'm very excited about it. So excited. I can't breathe. Oh my God. I'm not making fun of you. Okay. I'm actually worried. Are you okay?

Leo Laporte (02:10:32):
But that's why I just might caution that your, your go-to reaction, which is maybe <laugh> maybe dangerous.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:10:42):
It is true. It's

Leo Laporte (02:10:43):
You're not wear beads. Make sure your earrings are well attached. No,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:10:48):
It's it's I can't breathe in very deeply still.

Leo Laporte (02:10:50):
Oh, I see.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:10:52):
So whenever I try to breathe in deeply, I end up not being able to. And then my body's like crap, we can't breathe. Anyway.

Leo Laporte (02:10:59):
<Laugh> room bar, Stacy. That's good. And we don't laugh. They have a new, they have something now is this different? I mean, they, of course it was always running software and, and an operating system is

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:09):
This their new robot operating system, by the way, we're gonna have, oh, it's not robot operating

Leo Laporte (02:11:13):
System. Irobot OS they call it

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:16):
Irobot. Yeah. Cuz there's actually a robot operating system. That's an open source. Robotics like industrial robotics OS. That's pretty cool. And then Apple's gonna launch their reality OS we're gonna have a lot of our OSS, not our O U S's.

Leo Laporte (02:11:29):
Mm that's gonna be confusing.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:30):
But Roomba and there I robot operating system is awesome because I think it is going to do what I, I actually wrote about it just a couple weeks ago. I was so pissed off cuz our smart home is just these like disparate pieces. And we get like Amazon coming in here with Astro, their little robot thing. And I'm

Leo Laporte (02:11:52):
Like, are, do you have an Astro?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:55):
No, I don't have an Astro. If I had an Astro, I would totally show you guys,

Leo Laporte (02:11:58):
Man. Yeah. Hello. Are you gonna get Astro? Are you, are you interested?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:12:03):
No. I mean it doesn't, it doesn't have hands. It

Leo Laporte (02:12:06):
Doesn't work. I don't do nothing.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:12:07):
It doesn't do anything.

Leo Laporte (02:12:09):
<Laugh> unlike the iRobot, which you, so

Stacey Higginbotham (02:12:12):
Yeah, I argue. Yeah. That your smart home is the robot. And this actually this software is what Roomba's trying to do is picture its little vacuum cleaner is part of this like property of other items in the home. And it's got, they mentioned it's air. Purifier could be part of this, but once you have matter and Roomba is participating in it, you could actually pull in data about all the other devices plus their camera. And then if you actually have an OS that makes those work together and it would probably be very privacy preserving because Roomba has been focused on that in ways that,

Leo Laporte (02:12:47):
Well, they got in trouble because they were mapping people's houses. Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:12:51):
So they didn't, they got in trouble because people thought they were mapping people's houses and giving that data to Google. But that's not actually what they were.

Leo Laporte (02:12:59):
They kept it on Roomba.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:01):
They kept it locally. Okay. Yes. So people in, they, they mapped your house. They have asked

Leo Laporte (02:13:05):
You that's part of the deal. Was that a moral panic per chance?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:10):
<Laugh> oh my God. It was

Leo Laporte (02:13:11):
Inaccurate recording it. It happens. Yeah. 

Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:16):
Anyway, so I'm really excited about this. As you can tell by me, like not

Leo Laporte (02:13:20):
Being it, all your choking, you can, you can talk to it through echo or Google assistant or Siri. You could say clean the living room.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:29):
Well, you could do that today. Oh, okay. So what this, this is the next level of that is kind of this next layer of context and integration is what they're working on today. They have like the beginnings of that as part of, I think they call it their genius OS is what it is. And it does things already. Like my Roomba will tell me, it'll be like, Hey yo, I see that your kitchen counter area has lots of crus. Do you wanna write over here by the kitchen counter? Do you want me to create a special cleaning spot for that? And I'm like, holy cow. Yes I do. Thank

Leo Laporte (02:13:59):
You Ruby much. Oh. And you could clean up every morning after breakfast or something like that. Yeah. It would be smart enough to do that.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:04):
I mean, I have a dog, so it's not an issue, but

Leo Laporte (02:14:07):
Well, they also say that you can during pet shedding season mm-hmm <affirmative>, which is right about now you can have the Roomba do extra cleaning where the pet hangs out. So my only complaint we've had many Roombas. They don't do a very good job. Are they doing a better job now? I do. You use Roomba?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:27):
Yeah. We, I mean, okay.

Leo Laporte (02:14:28):
You still have to

Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:30):
Actually talk a lot about this on my show.

Leo Laporte (02:14:31):
Here's my point. You still have to vacuum, right? It doesn't eliminate the need to vacuum.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:36):
I don't have to vacuum my hard floors. I do have to, well, I do vacuum my carpeted floors once a week. Actually. I don't. My husband does. Okay. Actually. And he may not vacuum all.

Leo Laporte (02:14:50):
Is that cuz the Roomba does not do get them.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:54):
Well. Yeah. I mean you just want a deeper clean,

Leo Laporte (02:14:56):
Right. But if you strong enough, okay. Yeah, that was my question. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:15:01):
I mean it picks up lots of stuff. It does not, and it picks up a lot of pet hair and the pet hair. It doesn't pick up, it, it kind of creates into these little balls that like hang out and then you're just like, oh there's a pet hair ball and

Leo Laporte (02:15:14):
You pick it up. Well, and the beauty of this is the Roomba will actually drive around animals like in this video. <Laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:15:24):
Yeah, my dog and the Roomba get along just fine.

Leo Laporte (02:15:26):
The dog is apparently getting a back, scratch from the dog's like it's going right around that. Went around the nose. It's going down the legs. <Laugh> and I think the dog's enjoying it. Is it gonna do a Tubby rub Tubby rub? It's trying to go in there. Oh yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh almost <laugh>. Oh, oh. Oh. He

Stacey Higginbotham (02:15:47):
Must have trained this dog

Leo Laporte (02:15:49):
So well, I was like, appreciate it. Oh, thank you. Thank you. That was good. Oh, that was good. That was good for me. Was it good for you? That was good. So I maybe we'll get a Roomba. I don't know. Lisa loved the Roomba and she used as evidence that the Roomba worked. She would say, well, look, look at all this stuff. It picked up. I mean it's working, but I noticed that.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:16:11):
So yeah, it does pick a lot of stuff.

Leo Laporte (02:16:12):
Yeah. But we still have the vacuum. We have a, we have a lot of carpets and, and area rugs and stuff. And then I've told the story before the Roomba would get stuck every night. Do you do your Roomba at night or do you do it during the, because you're not supposed to do it when people around. So

Stacey Higginbotham (02:16:24):
This the hardest part about all of us working from home basically. Yeah. Is when do you run

Leo Laporte (02:16:30):
The room? When do you Roomba?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:16:32):
So we usually the way we don't schedule, we just, my Roomba's name is Terrence. So I'll just say, Hey Google. Tell Terrence to vacuum the master bedroom. Oh, oh, Terrance. Terrance about wait Terrance. Sorry. Stop. Stop.

Leo Laporte (02:16:45):
Stop. Terrance is running. All right. There I go,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:16:48):
Boss. Oh, Nope. Now my phone. Hold on. Okay. All right. Sorry.

Jeff Jarvis (02:16:52):
This is life with Stacy.

Leo Laporte (02:16:54):
Well, and another famous problem with Iruba is that it would forgive me, but that

Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:00):
To do that

Leo Laporte (02:17:01):
Pet poop.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:02):
It, it has now since learned. Oh good. I mean that's, that's the beauty of these learning systems. Software update

Leo Laporte (02:17:09):
Will. Yeah. 

Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:11):
I love my Roomba, so I mean, we use it every day and

Leo Laporte (02:17:17):
$850 for the new one, the J seven plus.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:21):
Oh yeah. But it comes with the thing, it comes with the sucker. Thater

Jeff Jarvis (02:17:24):
The thing, you know, it has the

Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:26):
Thing sucker, uper

Jeff Jarvis (02:17:27):
Not have

Leo Laporte (02:17:27):
The thing. What sucker upper.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:29):
See that big thing that's attached to it

Leo Laporte (02:17:31):
That you don't need it.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:34):
Yeah. Oh, it sounds like a jet engine going off. Yeah. But you only empty that once every two months. So, ah, so basically we just have this vacuum and like our dog sleeps under our bed and you can't vacuum under the bed really? So like all that hair gets picked up. We vacuum like once or twice a day live in the Pacific Northwest. Our laundry room is just this constant source of like, imagine your house the day after Christmas or the day after you take your Christmas tree out. There's just pine needles and mud everywhere. <Laugh> it takes care of

Leo Laporte (02:18:07):
All of that. Oh, that was a big problem. In fact, that killed our Dyson cuz it got all the Piney needles, got all glued together in there. We had to go yeah. Really clean it out. So, but I have, should we get a new Roomba? I mean, I, I, you know, I'm the one who kicked the Roomba out. I feel bad. Maybe we should get a Roomba.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:25):
Well, if you have, I mean, what kind of carpet we have Burber carpets. So if you have really long haired, shaggy kind

Leo Laporte (02:18:30):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:30):
Maybe it wouldn't

Leo Laporte (02:18:31):
Work. Yeah. The bedrooms.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:32):
Yeah. It works really well in the burs. Yeah. You need new

Leo Laporte (02:18:34):
Carpet. Yeah. Yeah. And I, yeah, I called shag.

Jeff Jarvis (02:18:38):
Carpent went out about 1978

Leo Laporte (02:18:40):
Leo. Well, I got it. I went out, I got it. Not in the Laport house. Yeah, I got it. Alright. Okay. Apparently the verge has a review that it doesn't do a great job avoiding poop. And I'll tell you why that's a big deal. <Laugh> if it doesn't avoid it. Yeah. Do you really wanna share it out? It's problematic. Wanna share? It's just a mess. It is quite problematic.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:19:04):
Yeah. That is a problem. Yeah. So that was also part

Leo Laporte (02:19:08):
Time. We don't have a huge issue with that. I mean we have cats, but they don't, they don't go in the house. So I guess it's okay. Are there other better robots than the iRobot?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:19:22):
There are plenty of robot

Leo Laporte (02:19:24):
Cleaners. I know it's very competitive

Stacey Higginbotham (02:19:26):
Field. Yeah. Evacs has a cheap one. Why does even came out with one? Wow. 

Ant Pruitt (02:19:32):
I saw the one for wise. And when, when it was sent to the email, I, I, the first thing I thought was, well, anybody

Leo Laporte (02:19:39):
Just came in of all of never again. No, I

Ant Pruitt (02:19:41):
It over, oh,

Speaker 11 (02:19:43):
When I left one day, I don't,

Leo Laporte (02:19:45):
I, I put it under your wheel, but you didn't drive over it. You smart enough to catch it. It was

Ant Pruitt (02:19:51):

Leo Laporte (02:19:51):
<Laugh> Roomba. You tried to get her to murder your Roomba. The Roomba I've told this story. Haven't I told this story, the, the Roomba, we did it. We ran it at night and it would it would get caught every night. It would get caught. There's one like side dress, side thing, side board that was just high enough for the room to kind of get under it, but not, and then it would go, boom, boom, boom, boom. Right. So every night out here, da, da, da, cuz it makes music when it starts,

Ant Pruitt (02:20:28):
It gets caught in an endless loop.

Leo Laporte (02:20:30):
Yeah. And so I pick it up and I put it back on its little charger and then next night at 3:00 AM, same thing. So eventually instead of picking up, putting on his charger, I pick it up and put it under releases tire, but she <laugh>,

Ant Pruitt (02:20:45):
Sir. That's that's just flat out evil. She

Leo Laporte (02:20:48):
Didn't. Yeah, that is, she didn't actually drive over it. I don't think she thinks she did. Maybe she did. I don't know. It disappeared to

Ant Pruitt (02:20:55):
That. That's evil.

Leo Laporte (02:20:57):
Those are expensive too. That was

Ant Pruitt (02:20:59):
Spoken like a Coon

Leo Laporte (02:21:00):
Box. Yeah. <Laugh> I took that room and I pulled it under the thumbs. That room now sleeps with the fishes. Alright. Alright. All all. Alright. Is there any

Ant Pruitt (02:21:15):
Of you? I like the idea of that tick. I just want one of those things to actually have legit suction, you know?

Leo Laporte (02:21:21):
Yeah. I agree

Ant Pruitt (02:21:22):
Way we have these

Leo Laporte (02:21:24):
Help point. Prove it about this. This is the 10 minute robot manicure. You put your fingers in.

Ant Pruitt (02:21:31):
Oh dude. Yeah. <laugh> yeah. So, sorry. Sorry honey. You've been replaced. That's that's a sore subject right there, sir.

Leo Laporte (02:21:40):
You have to go to a, a target in Minnesota. So it's not yet a threat. 10 minutes for $10. You pick one of the 25 colors offered. You put your fingers in the machine. One by one, the machine scans, the nail paints it starting around the edges, working to the center, applies two coats at once. And it works

Ant Pruitt (02:22:02):
At one. Oh no.

Leo Laporte (02:22:03):
Well, you know, it's got two nozzles or something. I don't know what that means.

Ant Pruitt (02:22:07):
It's the worst. You know, the, the benefit of having a queen per manicure is you get to see her smile and face and you get to,

Leo Laporte (02:22:16):
I know. And you could talk

Ant Pruitt (02:22:17):
And massage. I was

Stacey Higginbotham (02:22:18):
About say you get to talk to

Leo Laporte (02:22:19):
Queen Pruitt. What about that? She's fine. Harry styles and all that stuff. So yeah. This is from a company called clockwork and it paints your nails right in there. I don't know. Wow. It seems like I could do. It's not a manicure. That's just a nail nail painting. Nail power. Seems like I could do that. It looks like your finger is trapped and you can't get it out. I know it's pandemic. Not an episode of saw Mr. Jarvis. <laugh> yeah. Yeah. Alright. I think I've done the change log. I think we almost killed Stacy. I think it's time to do the final. Get your picks of the week. I don't think there's much more we can do<laugh> here today. Our show today brought to you by new Relic. If you're a software engineer, you've been there. 9:00 PM, midnight, maybe you're unwinding, you're relaxing.

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Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:29):

Leo Laporte (02:26:31):
<Laugh> COVID 19. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:34):
I got COVID 19. It's no, no I've <laugh>. I was like, oh I have, I have many

Leo Laporte (02:26:41):
Guest. What do you sitting? Well, you don't have to give us a thing, but what are some of the things you're looking at? You're working on, you're preparing for the future.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:50):
It's okay. Sorry. Doesn't have to be. I can tell you the Stacy. The thing that I have been recently watching

Leo Laporte (02:26:59):
Is that's good

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:01):
Bo Burnham's inside. He just put out the outtakes just a couple days ago and I really enjoyed those 

Leo Laporte (02:27:07):
Who is Bo Burnham.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:10):
He is a comedian Stacy side eye there

Leo Laporte (02:27:14):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:15):
You're asking. No, I I'm like, oh, are you, are you really asking,

Leo Laporte (02:27:18):
Oh, wait a minute. This, so he does he the piano? No, I know he is. He does Netflix comedy specialism like that, but this video is behind the scenes.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:27):
Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:27:29):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:30):
So it's, it's the out, there's a couple outtakes that are funny. And you know, they're all outtakes, so they're not only a few of them are very polished, but a lot of this is creative

Leo Laporte (02:27:41):
Process. Had you seen inside before?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:43):
Oh my God. Yes. So as a person who makes content for people on the internet in somewhat of a void, because I don't, I I'm my own person. Right. And as someone who is also, you know, definitely depressed, I, when I watched inside, I was like, oh my God, this guy is speaking to me. I mean, I'm

Leo Laporte (02:28:03):
Well, normally you hide this. My mother always said, if somebody's a really good cake, a baker it's because they put so many cakes in the trash, you know, they mm-hmm <affirmative> they only show you their best stuff. So normally, and I, I know exactly what you're talking about. Stacy, you'll watch a talented performer and you think I can't ever do that. They're perfect.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:21):
Yeah. So you see that, especially in the way. Yep. Yeah. It all, I mean, I feel like a lot of us probably could identify with this. And you think about like Anthony Bourdain, you think about Kate spade. There's a, a huge number of highly successful on the outside. People who I think experience a lot of self doubt as part of their creative process and it wears on them. So I, I liked the parts where he's kind of, you see him trying to struggle to make something, it felt real.

Leo Laporte (02:28:50):
So, and he did start on YouTube. So I mean, he's kind of, you know, he's familiar with his yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:54):
He started on YouTube way back at the beginning, in the beginning. He's one of the first viral YouTube people in like 2006.

Leo Laporte (02:29:01):
So you probably would say watch the Netflix special first inside. Oh

Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:06):
Yeah. Yeah. If you haven't watched the, I mean, I feel like if you haven't watched the Netflix special, it's, it's excellent for anybody who spends a lot of time on the internet. So, and then it's, it's pretty,

Leo Laporte (02:29:18):
I gotta, I gotta watch this. I tried to watch. Have you never seen it? No,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:22):
I tried. Neither am I. You should check it out. You know? Why, why? Yeah, I will. He did all of this himself and the lighting and the camera work is awesome. Like, oh, nice. Really creative. Like you'll and he did it all himself. So

Leo Laporte (02:29:35):
It's not, it's not a standup special inside. No, it's what is,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:39):
Well, I didn't realize you hadn't

Leo Laporte (02:29:40):
Seen it yet. Never heard of it even it's

Ant Pruitt (02:29:42):
No, I hadn't seen it. It recommended it to me, but I hadn't watched

Leo Laporte (02:29:45):
It yet. Yeah. Let me say you should really,

Ant Pruitt (02:29:47):
Netflix recommended it to

Leo Laporte (02:29:49):
Me. I tried to watch Ricky your face perspective last night and it was awful.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:29:53):
No, go watch inside. You enjoy.

Leo Laporte (02:29:55):
It's so awful. I love Ricky Chavez. I love the office, but I'm sorry. I don't love him anymore. What a jerk <laugh> okay. So good. So I need something to watch something. Com it's is it's comedy though, right? I mean, I'm not

Stacey Higginbotham (02:30:09):
It's it's hilarious here. If you do. Google, welcome to

Ant Pruitt (02:30:13):
The interview is a funny Mr. Jarvis.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:30:15):

Leo Laporte (02:30:16):
Just do the, I have it. Do

Stacey Higginbotham (02:30:17):
The YouTube version of welcome to the internet.

Leo Laporte (02:30:19):
Well, I just have the whole, this is the Netflix. I mean, I won't play it, you know?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:30:22):
Oh no. Do do the polished bit. Just like

Leo Laporte (02:30:25):
This is the polished one. Oh yeah, this is it. This is bill Burnhams. I'll just jump to just so we can see the lighting. Oh, so he's in his house. He's playing songs. Yeah. He's he's doing what a YouTuber does. Yeah. Is it, is it funny or is it music? What is it?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:30:39):
It is both. It is all of the above. Oh, see, that was welcome to the internet right there.

Leo Laporte (02:30:43):
Yeah. Oh, okay. So I'll watch this. This is 4k and high quality and polished and all that stuff. A couple of hours, but then watch the outtakes cuz then you'll see that he goes through the same struggles we all do. Except he has an air conditioner. So

Stacey Higginbotham (02:30:59):
He does have an air

Leo Laporte (02:31:00):
Conditioner. Yeah. Yeah. So that's maybe, maybe one little difference. Wow. He, so this is interest sounds like he's very creative, very talented. There are tons of creative people on the internet. That's amazing. Perhaps

Stacey Higginbotham (02:31:13):
We can see them. There are.

Leo Laporte (02:31:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this guy's probably not a guy who would've gotten a network television special. No.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:31:20):
He went viral and he actually talks about that on the thing. I'm sorry. I'm good. I just jumping all over you in my enthusiasm.

Leo Laporte (02:31:25):
Don't fall over me, baby. It's fine.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:31:28):
Oh, oh.

Jeff Jarvis (02:31:29):
Oh you call her baby. No, I

Leo Laporte (02:31:30):
Didn't call her baby mean that I just, you just okay. My friend. Oh no. I just meant it's okay. I would've said that to anybody. It's okay. If you've gotta have, I

Stacey Higginbotham (02:31:41):
Believe it that's exactly how I would react and be like, oh,

Leo Laporte (02:31:45):
I don't mean

Jeff Jarvis (02:31:46):
Literally Leo lessons. It's not lame and she's not a baby. Certainly

Leo Laporte (02:31:54):
That grand jump all over me friend. There. That's no better jump. I don't mind if you jump in, please. I appreciate your enthusiasm.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:32:02):
There, there you. Yeah. Okay. All right. Someone else goes so we can get out in time. <Laugh> like, this is awkward.

Leo Laporte (02:32:11):
Jeff, you got a number for me.

Jeff Jarvis (02:32:13):
Well, honey 

Leo Laporte (02:32:15):
Sweetie cookie <laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (02:32:17):
I I'm gonna do this one. So one of my contentions in defending the internet and trying to explain where it fits in the world is that each new medium since print. Yes. I'm gonna Gutenberg moment. Take your gulp. When it brings more people into the public conversation, those who controlled it before, resent it and resist the reformation meets the counter reformation. And, and, and, and what's happened on the internet these days is that people who were not at the table to set norms and decisions and power are now there. And it peeves the people who were there, but we've gotta not lose sight of this magnificent diversity of creators and talent that we see coming on. So there were three stories that just came out of absolutely out of everywhere else, but I put them together in one place because I thought they were, they spoke to this.

Jeff Jarvis (02:33:09):
One is about the people at the center of black Twitter. One is about TikTok honoring the class of 22 LGBTQ trailblazer blazers. Another one is the LA times talking about the old guys TikTok and how they become incredibly popular. And it just reminds us that this is the value of the net of social media, of creation. There is the voices who were not heard in mainstream mass media run by old white men look like me, but they're less pink. And, and, and we get that value out of them now. So if you look at the, at the, the people on, on black Twitter,

Leo Laporte (02:33:47):
I'm completely lost here. So every time you do this, you always have a bunch of links and I'm listening and trying to figure out which of the links is he going to, but I don't. I was about to do that. I'm well, wait a minute. I'm seeing Pitney Bowes, Amazon stuff. No,

Jeff Jarvis (02:34:01):
No, no. It's up

Leo Laporte (02:34:03):
Ignored, discover bigger. And how much companies pay? This has nothing you

Jeff Jarvis (02:34:08):
Ignored. I, I tried to, I did a teaser earlier. I wanted to celebrating identity on the night. And so they're in green at line 40

Leo Laporte (02:34:17):
Blind, 40 way up there.

Jeff Jarvis (02:34:19):
<Laugh> I went back because you let me do my story that I wanted to do. Cause it's not a democracy after all. Oh.

Leo Laporte (02:34:24):
So I just decided to be Anur. I'm sorry. You did. You I'm okay. Let's do it now. That's fine. And we'll save, that's what I'm doing. We'll save Pitney post for another day. <Laugh> 

Jeff Jarvis (02:34:34):
Well, yeah, the Pitney bow story was boring

Leo Laporte (02:34:36):
Is cold stuff. Yeah. Which, which one should I, so you wanna do 

Jeff Jarvis (02:34:40):
Line 40

Leo Laporte (02:34:40):
Line 44 are the people at the center of black Twitter, black

Jeff Jarvis (02:34:43):
Twitter. Right. And it's a great list. Now some of this is stuff that they don't want me watching. They wanna do what they wanna do.

Leo Laporte (02:34:49):
I subscribe to a lot of these people. I actually asked lovey. I said, who should I follow years ago? On Twitter. And she gave me a whole bunch. And a lot of these people, although it's always growing, which is fun.

Jeff Jarvis (02:35:01):
It, it is. It's great. Yeah. And I, I follow a lot too, but I added a few more today. This is,

Leo Laporte (02:35:06):
This is a good list. So these are

Jeff Jarvis (02:35:08):
Some, I'm not welcome to, to join in on, they're having a conversation among themselves and that's fine. Well,

Leo Laporte (02:35:12):
You don't have to say anything. Can you, can you listen?

Jeff Jarvis (02:35:14):
Yeah. Yeah, of course. Of course you can. But some of it's not meant for me. It's it's, it's, you know, I always, this is the moment when I always praise the book of distributed blackness by Andre Brock, Jr. Which I highly recommend and black software by Charlotte McElwain about this, creating a space for a community online, which you can do. You don't have to be mass. You don't have to talk to everybody. You can talk among yourselves and that's the beauty of the net. So, and a

Leo Laporte (02:35:38):
Lot of these develop people don't have a huge number of followers then they don't need to. Raven only has 4,000 followers. Don't you know, that's great. Before

Jeff Jarvis (02:35:48):
The steam powered printing press, the average circulation of a daily newspaper in the United States was 4,000. It was big enough to be a newspaper. Then it's big enough now.

Leo Laporte (02:35:56):
Yeah, I think, yeah, absolutely. I don't judge somebody by the number of followers they have. 

Jeff Jarvis (02:36:01):
So then next we have teen Vogue with the

Leo Laporte (02:36:05):
LGBTQ who has become very much a political force in this world. Absolutely.

Jeff Jarvis (02:36:09):
Absolutely. So the LGBTQ trailblazers on TikTok and we don't have to go through these particularly, but it's just, just making the point again. But then I would go to the next story of the LA times about the old guys. And there's one video in there, cuz it's really charming.

Leo Laporte (02:36:23):
It's always pride on old gaze TikTok.

Jeff Jarvis (02:36:27):
So these four guys are on TikTok all the time. They come across my feet regularly and there's one video sample of them in there. They're great.

Leo Laporte (02:36:34):
This one with Rihanna, the music from

Jeff Jarvis (02:36:36):
Rihanna. Yeah, the hanana one. Yeah, yeah. Is

Speaker 12 (02:36:37):
Following you really? Oh, you're kidding. Oh my God. So much really? She's she's the queen. She's one of men, such a beautiful, talented woman. You got Rihanna. You got good taste. My son, I was gonna say said, thank you. Well, I would such a beautiful, talented woman of Rihanna be watching us because we're entertaining. Aren't we Han or maybe it's because she hates this well

Jeff Jarvis (02:37:05):
That's that's. That's great. It's just

Speaker 12 (02:37:07):
<Laugh> and do y'all know her nickname? No, no, not that no Rek what

Jeff Jarvis (02:37:14):
Rere and I've read.

Leo Laporte (02:37:17):
So they obviously have somebody egging

Stacey Higginbotham (02:37:19):
Is your that's everybody's parent. We wee.

Leo Laporte (02:37:22):
We <laugh> really, is it really? So there's obviously somebody egging them on. And so what I get from this really is there's a kind of younger guy behind this. Well,

Jeff Jarvis (02:37:32):
That happens a lot.

Leo Laporte (02:37:33):
I gotta you on TikTok.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:37:34):
No, there's not. They do their own thing. I mean, yeah, they do. There might be younger people involved, but they have their own like

Leo Laporte (02:37:41):
Anyway, nice. It's their show. And you wanna see 19 million views on TikTok here. <Laugh> oh, geez. <Laugh> maybe I'll stop now. How about that? No, go ahead. Go ahead. They're dressed in bunny suits. I it's not playing for some reason. Here we go. Let's try it again. Oh, oh, they're dancing to Michael Jackson. What? That's a lot of views for four guys in the bunny ears and and, and sequin blue sequin shorts there. So the

Jeff Jarvis (02:38:21):
Only is God bless the internet. Just

Leo Laporte (02:38:23):
Outta curiosity.

Jeff Jarvis (02:38:24):
Be themselves.

Leo Laporte (02:38:24):
Are these guys my age? Is that curiosity? <Laugh> I think they probably is this

Jeff Jarvis (02:38:29):
Sandy LA time story held there.

Leo Laporte (02:38:31):
They probably

Jeff Jarvis (02:38:32):

Leo Laporte (02:38:33):
See a number. Oh my God. I feel like

Stacey Higginbotham (02:38:34):

Leo Laporte (02:38:34):
Older than that. I hope they are. I think so. Praise the Lord. I hope they are. They don't. I don't, I don't think they oh, wait a minute. A can director slash stylist slash social media manager. A a 35 year old's named Ryan's push for TikTok was driven for, by a desire to give people behind the scenes. Look at the old gaze. So yes I was right. There is a 35 year old media guy who said, oh, I got a handler, a handler.

Jeff Jarvis (02:39:03):
Did you see the, the, the Holocaust survivor who just came up with a book? Her grandson or great grandson interviewed her regularly on TikTok. And then he just came out with a book and it made the New York times bestseller list. Wow. This is what's happening on TikTok. That's cool.

Leo Laporte (02:39:16):
So she's

Jeff Jarvis (02:39:16):
90. Like

Leo Laporte (02:39:17):
Two of the guys are older than me. There's 2 78 year olds, one guy's mind, age and the other one's a couple of years older. So

Jeff Jarvis (02:39:26):
You have 'em there made a buddy suit. Try to get attention before you

Leo Laporte (02:39:30):
Know it. Ah, thank you, honey. All right. Let's move on to Ant Pruitt and his picture the week.

Ant Pruitt (02:39:38):
Okay. My picks are cuz I didn't do too much research, but I did know about Cannon's new are seven and R 10 cameras. The R 10 is an APSC mirrorless camera. Oh where they're basically just, just saying, you know what? All of those DSLRs are dead. So we're trying to bring people into the mirrorless world,

Leo Laporte (02:39:59):
But with a smaller

Ant Pruitt (02:40:00):
Of their

Leo Laporte (02:40:00):
Budgets, a smaller sensor and a smaller price. Yeah. Thousand bucks smaller

Ant Pruitt (02:40:04):
Sensor. So this one's a thousand bucks. Yeah. then they have the R seven, which replaces

Leo Laporte (02:40:09):
The, this is the one Henry wants. Yeah,

Ant Pruitt (02:40:12):
No, no, no. This, this is replacing the old seven D oh, which was another APS

Leo Laporte (02:40:17):
CSR. Okay, good.

Ant Pruitt (02:40:19):
So, but it was a little bit more expensive. This one is about 15 hundreds because you're gonna get 4k 60 furniture, second over sample 32 megabit megapixels sensor. So it's got a little bit more beefier specs, but it's still a smaller sensor. It's not a full frame sensor where there's nothing wrong with an APSC sensor. It just depends on what you're trying to, what you want to look to look like. But yeah, they announced those last week and you can pre-order 'em whenever you want to, you

Leo Laporte (02:40:47):
Probably ant too young to remember a film camera, the Olympus, om one. Do you remember that? It

Ant Pruitt (02:40:54):
Was I've I've seen the lore

Leo Laporte (02:40:56):
<Laugh> it's a, it was a classic actually. You could still, you know, buy 'em on eBay and and Amazon, they were beautiful. Here's one for 250, $2. Classic. I loved them. This was my, I think one of my first 35 millimeter cameras. I think I had that too. Yeah. Oh it was a, and this was back in the seventies I think. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (02:41:15):
Yeah. The, the NECON my grandmother had that I broke, looked like that. Yeah. It was an old film. Is that how you

Stacey Higginbotham (02:41:21):
Say it?

Ant Pruitt (02:41:23):
Yes. NECON most people said,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:41:26):
Oh, I had no idea. I did. Yes. I'm like, oh my gosh. I've been saying it wrong my whole life. Thank you. Yeah. Sorry.

Ant Pruitt (02:41:31):
No, no judgment. It's it's alright. But I've been around them enough and they always hit Yukon, Yukon, Yon. But yeah, that one that my grandmother had looked like that and that I broke. That's the one that really got me into tinkering with stuff. Cuz I broke it and didn't want her to know I broke it. <Laugh> so to put it

Leo Laporte (02:41:49):
Together, it's I think the 50th anniversary of the original om, one film camera and I think this is kind of a nice tribute. The folks, you know, Olympus, ah,

Ant Pruitt (02:41:58):
DP review.

Leo Laporte (02:41:59):
Yeah. Olympus sold the om series, their micro four thirds series to a company called om system. And they've released their first one on the anniversary of the Olympus. Om one. And they're calling it the O om, one, one the last one with Olympus. But of course it's digital with a, it's a micro four thirds. I Lisa loved her old Olympus a MFT cameras. We have a lot of those lenses. So

Ant Pruitt (02:42:28):
As did Mr. Scott born? Yep.

Leo Laporte (02:42:31):
Yes. He was a big fan. I, I think he still is mm-hmm <affirmative> because he said my arm,

Ant Pruitt (02:42:35):
He still likes them.

Leo Laporte (02:42:36):
Yeah. My hand was getting heavy on the big heavy cameras and these are really amazing cameras, so they just released us. I thought I'd get it for Lisa before the cruise. So don't tell her, but it just, it just came out and I think it's quite a beautiful camera, but we'll do a review that way I can write it off. So there you

Ant Pruitt (02:42:53):

Leo Laporte (02:42:53):
There you go. No, we will do. Cause I know other people interested, you know who else, Andy and NACO loves it. Did Scotte stop shooting Olympus

Ant Pruitt (02:43:02):
To an extent because he's doing more video now. Oh, so he had to so he had to pick up the Sony Fs FX six, right? He was doing video with that, but he's also a big proponent of iPhone video. So he and Mr. Jefferson Graham are doing more with iPhones and video. Interesting and started a new show on that and oh, interesting. He's done a lot of good stuff with it.

Leo Laporte (02:43:24):
So this does pretty good video too. Actually, he might be interested in it. They've improved the video a lot. They stack the sensor and, and all that aunt's pictures are, as we mentioned earlier on Instagram and underscore Pruit. Yeah. And TikTok, give

Ant Pruitt (02:43:38):
Me a follow there. Give me a follow there folks. Aunt underscore Pruit. And if you check out that last reel, I did, we talked about lighting in that last reel. I just did a little bit of behind the scenes on, on coffee, how I created a shot cuz I was struggling creatively and went out to my, to my garage slash lab and threw some lights up and figured out a way to

Leo Laporte (02:43:59):

Ant Pruitt (02:44:00):
Put a little shot together. Fun. There's a key light right there over the top. And then I put another light in the back corner to give it a little bit of a Sunray and then just grab my cinema camera shot some random footage.

Leo Laporte (02:44:14):
Very nice.

Ant Pruitt (02:44:15):
Cause I have no life

Leo Laporte (02:44:17):
<Laugh> no, those are be, look at this. Oh man. The last shot, the last image was so gorgeous. I guess that's oh, well you just have to follow

Ant Pruitt (02:44:25):
It's the photos.

Leo Laporte (02:44:26):
Is it in the photos? I

Ant Pruitt (02:44:26):
Posted it on the photo

Leo Laporte (02:44:27):
Too. Okay, good. I'll go

Ant Pruitt (02:44:29):
Back, go back in the post photo tab

Leo Laporte (02:44:32):
And such a gorgeous shot. Look at that.

Ant Pruitt (02:44:34):
Thank you.

Leo Laporte (02:44:35):
Yeah. And of course every week Regals us with his photography tips and interviews on hands on photography, Twitter, TV slash he's also our community manager. You're gonna be doing the book club in about 10 days, two weeks. How far have you gotten <laugh>

Ant Pruitt (02:44:55):

Leo Laporte (02:44:56):
I just started it. I love it. Oh,

Ant Pruitt (02:44:58):
I love I'm gonna see this now. I'm I'm struggling with this book right now because I've been in such a foul mood.

Leo Laporte (02:45:04):
Yeah. It doesn't help your mood. Doesn't it's about climate change. I'm not, I'm only about a third of the way through termination shock by Neil Stevenson. He's one of my favorite authors. You don't, it sounds like you don't like it either. Stacy, I'm sorry. It's your book club.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:18):
I didn't, I didn't enjoy the book, but everyone was like, let's watch. I was like, okay, fine. Neil Davidson needs an editor.

Leo Laporte (02:45:24):
Yeah. You know what I like about him? And I really enjoy about this book is his research, his air edition. So you always learn a lot about the most.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:34):
Yeah. You know what? The better climate change novel is ministry of the future by Kim Stanley Robinson. But both of these books

Leo Laporte (02:45:40):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:41):
Have a plot problem.

Leo Laporte (02:45:44):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:44):
They're just boring ass plots.

Leo Laporte (02:45:47):
Yeah. Nears famous also for poor endings. And, and John tells me that the book doesn't have the best ending either. Oh yeah. That's terrible. <Laugh> oh, this will be a great book club coming up. <Laugh> well, we can, you know, we still join the club. They don't have to all be still join the club. Yeah. Join the club. Well, they

Jeff Jarvis (02:46:04):
Can, it's fun to listen to comp have admit a critic. It's fun to listen

Leo Laporte (02:46:07):
To complaints somewhere I'm coming in to defend it. I'll come in to defend it. Cuz I, I, yeah, cuz I, I,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:46:12):
You know, I really loved the, the whole thing about the sing or yeah. The seek religion. Sorry. Not the same. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:46:18):
That was religion. Fascinating. Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:46:20):
I enjoyed it. Punjab. I had two friends who were seek growing up and I was just like hot damn there. They are. Look at them looking like bad at SIS. I was really excited

Leo Laporte (02:46:30):
For them. <Laugh> well, we'll talk about it. That's Stacy's book club. That's June 16th. We also have Alex Lindsay gonna ask me anything next month and I imagine a few more events coming up. Lots of great shows.

Ant Pruitt (02:46:44):
I'm I'm actually working on a event with some, with some of our members. I'm going to figure out a time to get all, get all of them together.

Leo Laporte (02:46:54):
Oh. I'd like to meet some of these people that we've been talking

Ant Pruitt (02:46:57):
Behind the scenes. I'm gonna do a bit of a fireside chat with them. Good. Just again. I'm I'm working on, I was off last week and I refused to do work so let's gimme some time.

Leo Laporte (02:47:08):
Yeah. <laugh> yeah. Good. I look forward to that. That will be very fun. One of many things going on in club TWI, if you are not a member yet go to TWI seven bucks a month gets you a free versions of all the shows entrance into this most exclusive club and the TWI plus feed, which is always, always fun.

Ant Pruitt (02:47:31):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative>

Leo Laporte (02:47:32):
Thank you, Ant Pruitt. Stacy Higginbotham said Stacey, You

Jeff Jarvis (02:47:36):
Made it Stacy. You made it. Geez.

Leo Laporte (02:47:38):
I bet.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:47:39):

Leo Laporte (02:47:39):
A soldier. Geez. You are. What? A camper? Tough. You are tough. You put up with me. You sit here for hours guessing about nothing.

Ant Pruitt (02:47:49):
We appreciate fighting off COVID

Leo Laporte (02:47:51):
She's got a much better podcast with Kevin TOEFL. It's fantastic. You'll find, the IOT podcast and any events coming up, Stacy, you probably wanna rest for a while.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:48:04):
I'm doing it next week. I am in Wisconsin in green bay. Aboutt security.

Leo Laporte (02:48:10):
Oh my God. For all right now. Hardest woman, hardest working woman in show BI lazy gentlemen.

Jeff Jarvis (02:48:16):
So it's

Stacey Higginbotham (02:48:17):
ISS all about security.

Jeff Jarvis (02:48:20):
You don't regret going to the event in San Francisco or do you,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:48:23):
It was the event in Dallas. Oh, is that

Jeff Jarvis (02:48:26):
Right? You were in Texas, right? A good event. I'm sorry, did you I'm sorry. Did you regret going to the event?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:48:31):
Oh no. It was actually a really good event up until getting COVID. I enjoyed, it was a smart home event held by parks associates, so nice. It was good for a bunch of reasons. The, the number one reason was I got to see like all the people from the smart home industry and pass them COVID and I got to <laugh> like have this event with parks and I had a weird history because they kicked me out of one of their shows a couple years back. So it was my first time back

Ant Pruitt (02:49:01):
With them. Ooh,

Leo Laporte (02:49:03):
Kicked you out.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:49:04):
They kicked me out because I kept noting that every panel was really a manhole and I found that up upsetting and frustrating. And they were like, could you just, oh,

Leo Laporte (02:49:14):
I remember this. I remember this. You were tweeting about it, right?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:49:19):
Yeah. I was, I was miffed, but

Leo Laporte (02:49:22):
Respect. They

Stacey Higginbotham (02:49:24):
Had women this time.

Leo Laporte (02:49:26):
Good. See,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:49:27):
And it wasn't just me. Yeah. So I was like, mm-hmm <affirmative> I gotta give 'em credit. They, they brought me back and they were like, all right, we got, we got women.

Leo Laporte (02:49:34):
I totally remembered that. That was a, that was a big furor. And I was proud of it.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:49:39):
Wast a fur Fuer. It was just,

Leo Laporte (02:49:41):
Oh, it was a Twitter

Stacey Higginbotham (02:49:41):
Fuer. It was surprising. No one's ever kicked me out of an event. I felt like truly an awesome journalist. I was like, yeah, I've made it now. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:49:50):

Stacey Higginbotham (02:49:50):
Truth to power. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:49:52):
Hey, unlike me, they invited you back after they kicked you out. Right? Jeff Jarvis, ladies and gentlemen. He is the director of the town night center for entrepreneurial journalism at the C Newmar graduate school of journalism, Newmar at the city, university of New York buzz What's the story with your book?

Jeff Jarvis (02:50:14):
I mean, I haven't really announced it anywhere yet, but it's but Guten the Gutenberg parenthesis will be published by Bloomsbury as academic and trade book coming out by the start of the next year. I hope

Leo Laporte (02:50:27):
That's really good news. Congratulations.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:50:29):
Congratulations. Thank you.

Leo Laporte (02:50:30):
That's a very

Stacey Higginbotham (02:50:31):
With muzzle

Leo Laporte (02:50:33):
That, well, I'll be the one to say congratulations, baby. Well done, honey. See don't ever let him tell you just cuz you're a pretty face. You can't write mm-hmm <affirmative> oh man. No, actually that's a very prestigious publisher. I know you were looking. You got a good one. That's good.

Jeff Jarvis (02:50:52):

Leo Laporte (02:50:52):
Try. That's a big deal done. Thank you everybody. It's good to have you all back now. You're not gonna be here next week, right? Stacy?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:50:59):
No, I'm I'm at, I'm in Wisconsin talking about IOT

Jeff Jarvis (02:51:02):

Leo Laporte (02:51:03):
Again again. Well I'm

Stacey Higginbotham (02:51:04):
Probably, I'm gonna tour Lambo fields. Is that a thing?

Leo Laporte (02:51:07):
Oh, I'm so jealous. Yes you man. Oh my gosh. I'm a green bay fan. Oh, Joe is a huge green bay fan. Our son Michael. He has yes, he is an owner. He has a share in green bay Packers. He's cuz it's the only NFL team that the fans own. They own the stadium do in public. Yeah. It's a wonderful oh, I'm so jealous. How fun and there's cheese. Yeah. There's lots of

Stacey Higginbotham (02:51:30):
Cheese. I'm very excited about the cheese.

Leo Laporte (02:51:32):
Lot of cheese. A lot of, oh, I wish I could go. I know we were gonna drag Michael to the Niners green bay game in December. I, I was gonna make him pay himself green and gold and say, <laugh> take off your shirt, but cooler heads prevailed or warmer heads in this case. Cheese heads prevailed. Well have fun. Stacy. We'll see you in two weeks. I hope. Jeff, are you going anywhere that we should know about, you're gonna be rough for a

Jeff Jarvis (02:52:00):
While. No, I'm going to Virginia next week, but then I'm driving back early in the morning so

Leo Laporte (02:52:04):
I can be here. Oh, thank you for the show. Thank you. Cause yes. And, and you'll be here next week. Yes sir. All, I think we're talking

Jeff Jarvis (02:52:12):
Is very hard sometimes to replace you. You should know

Leo Laporte (02:52:14):
It is. We have to work really hard, but we are on somebody. Yeah. We're yeah. Jason works.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:52:20):
Is it because y'all are trying to not make it a manual?

Leo Laporte (02:52:23):
That's exactly right. <Laugh> no manholes here. Yeah we, yeah, but I think we we may have a, a fella on next week if we can't get the gal that we're trying to get. Cause cause

Jeff Jarvis (02:52:37):
How can you replace Stacy?

Leo Laporte (02:52:39):
It's possible. Can't and that's the truth. Yes. I mean, I'm glad you didn't die. Me too. Yeah, really am.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:52:45):
And I'm I'm especially glad I did not die in Dallas at the official hotel of the Dallas Cowboys

Leo Laporte (02:52:51):
Cuz and the Frisco, the Frisco, Texas Omni hotel hotel. How

Jeff Jarvis (02:52:56):
Was the takeout? But you didn't care the

Leo Laporte (02:52:58):
Room for you couldn't taste tacos, but they couldn't taste the

Stacey Higginbotham (02:53:01):
Tacos. They had some of my favorite taco restaurants and I did get the, and I got case I could actually taste Kaso. That

Leo Laporte (02:53:07):
Was taste so good.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:53:09):
Cause it's basically like creamy and then I'd add like a lot of spice to it. Yu and then I was like, oh this is spicy creamy. Delicious.

Leo Laporte (02:53:16):
See if they have Kaso in Wisconsin,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:53:19):
They have cheese curs.

Leo Laporte (02:53:20):
<Laugh> no there's fried cheese curds. My man. Oh fried cheese, curds, squeaky squeakers. Oh, it's the

Stacey Higginbotham (02:53:27):
Best I can't wait.

Leo Laporte (02:53:29):
<Laugh> thank you everybody. We do this. Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:53:32):
I'm really excited.

Leo Laporte (02:53:32):
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