This Week in Google 662, Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for TWIG This Week in Google the whole gangs here, Stacey Higginbotham's back Ant Pruitt's back. Jeff Jarvis is here a little bit more about Elon Musk turns out his whole plan is just to flip Twitter in a couple of years. We'll also talk about working from home versus working in the office and why Airbnb's new policy is great. A look at internet access from T-Mobile and Verizon. They've got it in for Comcast and the origin of the word sneeze. It may surprise you. It's all coming up next on TWIG.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:00:36):
Podcasts you love, From people you trust. This is TWiT.

Leo Laporte (00:00:39):
This is TWIG. This week in Google episode, 662 recorded Wednesday May 4th, 2022: Made with Lard.

Leo Laporte (00:00:57):
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Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:07):
I miss y'all but I'm glad to be back today.

Leo Laporte (00:02:09):
I love your red coral necklace.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:12):
Oh, I'm trying to spice it up.

Leo Laporte (00:02:14):
It does look like little tiny spice chilis, but it's not. I can tell it's coral, right?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:19):
It is. It is coral.

Leo Laporte (00:02:21):
<Laugh> yeah, it does like little chilis. Glen Fleishman, your neighbor filled in for you last week and

Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:27):
Thanks Glen. It was fun. Lots of typography talk?

Leo Laporte (00:02:30):
Yeah. Uhhuh. Oh boy. You didn't miss a thing. <Laugh> Hey, and Ant's back too Ant Pruitt. We missed you too. Oh, thank you. It was a tough show with no Ant no Stacy TWiT.TV/HOP That's right. He was going around the other day taking 8 K videos of people. Beautiful. 8K from cannon. I think of the bags that are my look at that bad. They sure do on the 8K though. Well, that's what's

Stacey Higginbotham (00:02:55):
You look much better on this particular

Leo Laporte (00:02:59):
In 720P

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:00):
And in whatever we're in here.

Leo Laporte (00:03:02):
Yeah. Let's stay with 720 P <laugh>.

Ant Pruitt (00:03:05):
Hey, we put it in the slack that we're gonna upgrade the cameras here at TWiT,

Leo Laporte (00:03:08):
But no 8K please! It's official. Oh my God.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:11):
If we wanna see what Leo would look like after the zombie apocalypse and possibly when he's I'm gonna go with near death from a lung infection. Yes.

Leo Laporte (00:03:20):
That's. That's what I look. That's the image that's exactly. Also from the beautiful New Jersey. <Laugh> the Leonard tow professor for journalistic innovation at the Craig Newmark graduate school of journalism at the city, university of New York, Mr. Jeff Jarvis.

Jeff Jarvis (00:03:41):
And I want credit for having brought Glenn on the show. Love Glenn bought his book.

Leo Laporte (00:03:46):
Ooh, London Kearning

Jeff Jarvis (00:03:47):
Little book, but it's a, a typographical tour of London.

Leo Laporte (00:03:50):
Oh, how fun he is so nerdy actually. Yeah. We're gonna have him back. I think he's gonna be on TWIT in a few weeks cuz I'd never met him.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:00):
No, he's really kind. When I first started out as a journalist working like in the tech press, he reached out for something or he commented on one of my posts. He did, he knew a lot of wireless stuff and I was gonna be in Seattle and I was like, Hey man, you wanna meet up? And he just was so kind, he walked me through some technology stuff. I mean just a genuinely nice person.

Leo Laporte (00:04:22):
Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:04:22):
Opposed to us, I guess she's saying. But

Leo Laporte (00:04:24):
Yeah. No, but I agree nicer than nicer than you and me that's for sure. Jeff. Yeah, it was, he was really great. We had a great time. We were talking about thongs.

Jeff Jarvis (00:04:31):
He's meant for he's meant for the TWIT network.

Leo Laporte (00:04:33):
Yes. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:04:33):
But don't steal him from TWIG.

Leo Laporte (00:04:35):
No, no. Well he, he

Jeff Jarvis (00:04:37):
Could be other grown

Leo Laporte (00:04:38):
Up table. He could be other shows. You're back here too. Yeah. Hey,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:41):
Hey. I personally think this show is the grownup table.

Leo Laporte (00:04:44):
I agree. I

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:45):
Don't care what anyone else says.

Leo Laporte (00:04:46):
I agree with. Thank you. This is where the grown ups sit.

Jeff Jarvis (00:04:49):
This is where we talk about the boring things.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:51):
Yes. On Sunday night, you're only gonna catch.

Leo Laporte (00:04:54):
We could change that actually. Have you ever done TWIT Stacy? Yes. I think she has.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:58):
Right. I've done it once I say no,

Leo Laporte (00:05:00):
You say no. Cause I hope we ask you cuz I just oh yeah,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:03):
No, no I, but that's I'm I'm like I choose this table. It's the table.

Leo Laporte (00:05:08):
Well, you can't do it this Sunday. It's mother's day. So I won't I'm

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:12):
Actually working. I'll be at a conference

Leo Laporte (00:05:13):
Really? Oh

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:15):
Yeah. I know

Leo Laporte (00:05:16):
You gotta, you know what? You're going back to a lot of conferences. All of a sudden, now that things have opened up,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:23):
It, it is possible. I am vaccinated. I'm triple vaxed. I'm gonna get quadruple vaxed, but I'm waiting. I don't know when to get anyway. Bottom line. I'm going to a conference next week. That week's that after that one's at the next week is in Vegas. Oh, fun. Siemens realize live. I will be the MC y'all.

Leo Laporte (00:05:41):
Oh, how fun. Oh, okay. Nice. They gonna dancing now. Siemens is famous for making SCADA devices. They're a German hardware company. What is this about though?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:53):
This is their OT technology conference, but you know what they also make. Oh wait, I should double check this.

Leo Laporte (00:05:59):
Every time I see seen is I think, I think they made infrastructure.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:03):
Yeah. They make powered infrastructure and I think they make the Washington state fairies.

Leo Laporte (00:06:08):
Oh wow. Really? Wow. Yeah. They're one of those like, like Hyundai. Conglomerates they're, Giant German

Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:16):
Company. Yes. Siemens makes the Washington state fairy boats. Wow. Possibly other fairy boats. But definitely I, I just remember walking by the ferry one day and being like what Siemens here. Huh?

Leo Laporte (00:06:29):
So let's see. This is like fun Siemens realize live. Okay. And it's gonna be mostly IOT things. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:36):
Yes. It's industrial IOT. Okay. My next conference is in Dallas, which is less of an exciting place, but the conference is gonna be more exciting. It's gonna be about smart homes.

Leo Laporte (00:06:45):
Oh, wow. Matter. See mom and dad.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:49):
No mom and dad live in Houston.

Leo Laporte (00:06:51):
Look there she is. That's Texas right there, here in the speaker section that look at that host moderator. How fun Ooh, I got it. Oh, look at it. Wait

Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:02):
I'm wearing the same necklace

Leo Laporte (00:07:04):
<Laugh> I want you to talk to the head of strategic partners of red bull racing. I'm a that's that's the that's the, is that Horner on there that no. No. It's Zoe Chilton. She must work with him. But red bull of course has the champion. Matt, stop him racing for them. He's really good. Yeah. Gosh. He's cause he's so good. Yeah. anyway, great to have everybody here. One of the reasons Stacy wasn't here last week is she did not want to talk about Twitter <laugh> I did.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:07:44):
It's true. I was like, oh goodness.

Leo Laporte (00:07:46):
I did. Were you? I screwed up ant. I forgot to call on your piece that you sent on DM. I oh, I was looking forward to it. The Twitter troubles continue with Elon Musk. The staff is up in arms, as you might imagine. Part of the problem is if you take it public their compensation, which is based on stock suddenly becomes a little iffy. Private Elon's private. Yeah. Take it private. You said if

Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:11):
He take it public private

Leo Laporte (00:08:12):
Public vice versa. Yeah. Although the reason I was thinking that is cuz Elon, who's trying to get the rest of the money together has been, he has like

Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:20):
In a couple years, I'll make it public. He's been

Leo Laporte (00:08:21):
Reassuring investors. Don't worry. Don't worry. We're gonna, we're gonna go public in three years. Like oh great. That's good. After what happens. So he's basically saying, yeah, I know I can't make any money on it, but we're gonna, we're gonna shine it up. Polish it up. We're gonna sell it back to the stock market. And then new kitchen counter would be beautiful. Was a lot more. Yeah. Yeah. He's basically flip Twitter saying he's gonna flip Twitter. You nailed it. Flipping Twitter show title. There should be a new discovery, TV show, you know, social media flippers. <Laugh> Parag Agrawal had to reassure the staff, which who said they, he seems very, very tired and unhappy.

Ant Pruitt (00:09:05):
Well, I mean he just got the gig.

Leo Laporte (00:09:07):
Well, wait a minute. This stuff

Jeff Jarvis (00:09:09):
Is happen. Hey, everybody's

Leo Laporte (00:09:10):
Insulting at, he's got a golden parachute, I think $44 million. Oh

Ant Pruitt (00:09:13):
Um yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:09:15):
He's gonna be okay. Right. Would you be sad and tired if you knew in a six months I got $44 million and a lot of time on my hands, <laugh>

Ant Pruitt (00:09:25):
Miserable, a miserable.

Leo Laporte (00:09:28):
For the most part, he stuck to the script, says platformer, this Casey Newton's blog. This was a simple business deal designed to provide the most benefit to shareholders. At one point he apologized before once again using the word fiduciary <laugh>

Ant Pruitt (00:09:41):
Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:09:43):
Excuse me. I'm gonna use the word fiduciary again. He said he began by saying, please stop leaking to the press. <Laugh> he made a lowkey effort to rally the troops while acknowledging he had little idea how Musk might change the company. Newton writes. We don't know the specifics of change. I don't want us to go in believing nothing will change. He, he quotes him. Here's the company's current employees to stick around <laugh>

Ant Pruitt (00:10:14):
Is it

Leo Laporte (00:10:15):
Please? Don't leave.

Ant Pruitt (00:10:16):
Is it unfair to, to assume that Musk is, is going to make that a better business, Twitter, a better business that

Leo Laporte (00:10:23):
Some say Musk may lay off more than half the staff in an effort to cut costs,

Ant Pruitt (00:10:30):
But Twitter is a business, right? I know we use it as a social media

Leo Laporte (00:10:34):
Platform. Yeah. But some money losing

Ant Pruitt (00:10:36):
Business, but they're right. So, but

Jeff Jarvis (00:10:37):
Fashion doesn't actually lose money. Right? I mean it,

Leo Laporte (00:10:39):
Well, it doesn't make money.

Jeff Jarvis (00:10:41):
The cash. Well, hold on. Well, are they, are they, do they report Twitter? Well, they just reported. They just

Leo Laporte (00:10:46):
Reported. So let's see what the Twitter, oh, let's see what the Twitter results are. The stock is up to $49, which tells me the market. Doesn't believe they're gonna get $54 a share from Elon stock. I'm looking for the quarterly results. Do you have 'em

Ant Pruitt (00:11:05):
Somewhere still underperforming? 

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:07):
I thought they just released it. I'm looking for it.

Leo Laporte (00:11:10):
All right. But

Ant Pruitt (00:11:11):
I'm looking

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:12):
Twitter, latest violated bits, losing advertisers on tech crunch.

Leo Laporte (00:11:17):
Okay.

Jeff Jarvis (00:11:18):
May three. Okay,

Leo Laporte (00:11:22):
So they're losing advertisers. Let's see what else is going on <laugh>

Ant Pruitt (00:11:27):
But again, it's, it's still a business. What is wrong with someone saying, Hey, my business is failing and I'm trying to make my business better. So if someone wants to buy this business and make it better and have at what's,

Leo Laporte (00:11:40):
This is just an S sec filing it's S SEC's filing. Yeah. It's not a, not a quarter results. It's core advertising business could now be at risk as a result of Musks take over in addition. Yeah. Employee hiring and retention efforts and other factors at risk. Yeah. <laugh> so it's, so it's a business that never historically has made very much money. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> it has a lot of mind share that's the value, right. Is the brand is worth something. Employees are upset and possibly leaving for a variety of reasons. Partly

Ant Pruitt (00:12:12):
Because has like any other business

Leo Laporte (00:12:14):
<Laugh>. Yeah. But you complain, would you spend 44 billion of your money on it?

Ant Pruitt (00:12:19):
No, I, no. This feels like, what I'm saying is, is look at like, like Dell and all of those other companies that they, they went through some form of a transformations. Yeah. Dell,

Leo Laporte (00:12:28):
Michael Dell

Ant Pruitt (00:12:29):
Took it better.

Leo Laporte (00:12:29):
Took Dale private. Yeah. You

Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:31):
Know, Dale took him private though. He took a private with the strategy. His strategy was convergence and he's actually implementing that strategy executed on mm-hmm <affirmative> and sorry. Thank you. Executing on that strategy. Well, but is perfectly fine. I was just, it's all good. I was just trying to fill up

Leo Laporte (00:12:48):
A blank, but your, your,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:50):
Your blank was right. <Laugh> my blank is just blank.

Leo Laporte (00:12:54):
And by the way, did the same thing because he took it private in 2013 and five years later, put it back on the stock market.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:00):
Yeah. That's I mean, that's what you do. He basically wanted to take it out of the public yeah. Out of the public eye, but

Leo Laporte (00:13:07):
Oh, I see the idea being, you know, we're gonna like put a big sheet over it and fix it and then flip Vale.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:13):
It flip his, his, no, his concern was wall street had such short term thinking yes. That they were not valuing the company's investments properly. Okay. And I mean, sure. Every CEO thinks that. Right. <laugh> I'm sure. But he actually had a plan and ATRA cuz his whole thing was building out a converged computing strategy for cloud infrastructure. Although, and he actually has done that.

Leo Laporte (00:13:38):
I do remember in 2013, when he did that, people were saying always over extended mm-hmm <affirmative> this isn't gonna work. This is a really risky move. People were just as

Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:47):
Skeptical. Didn't

Leo Laporte (00:13:48):
Skeptical didn't they were just

Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:49):
As skeptical. I said that

Leo Laporte (00:13:50):
He, you thought he would do well and you were

Stacey Higginbotham (00:13:52):
Right. I knew exactly what he was doing. Cause we could see

Ant Pruitt (00:13:54):
It. So miss Stacey is the problem that this is Elon Musk does taking this. Would people say the same? If it were say, I don't know. What's his name? Buffet.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:06):
Elon doesn't seem to have a plan like Michael Dell came in with a plan that he articulated and had been articulating for months ahead of time. And the other thing is, I'll just be honest, Elon must does not have the gravitas. Right. And, and not even this like theoretical gravitas, this man's like a total. You cannot take him seriously with a lot of things Uhhuh. And there's also the fact that he's got multiple other businesses to run and historically his businesses have not met their deadlines in some of the execution has not been awesome. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so like, and I drive, I mean, I drive a Tesla. I was excited about Starlink, for example, I, you know, I'm not denigrating Elon Musk for being a visionary and lots of things that he does, but I also don't think he's the, he's not someone I'm like, oh yeah, that's a guy who's gonna turn around a struggling social network. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, you know,

Jeff Jarvis (00:15:11):
Well, it's worse than that. He's he's said things that we know are gonna be damaging, you know, take off the moderation that, that gets it to be finally a, a decent place invite back bad people do things like require identification, which hurts the vulnerable. But what about open source in the algorithm? Is that a bad thing? Yes. well what, what is that just

Stacey Higginbotham (00:15:30):
Silly?

Leo Laporte (00:15:31):
Doesn't mean, first of all, Elon has no idea what open source means. Because back in the early days of Tesla said, we're gonna open source our car. He did not open source it. He just essentially said about, I, he had licensed it. He doesn't understand what opensourcing means, but you wouldn't want to, first of all, you probably couldn't open source the algorithm he's saying it's like, Coca-Cola, it's just the secret recipe Uhhuh. It isn't that simple. But even if you did the real beneficiaries of that, in my opinion, and others is the, is the spamers who would then gain the algorithm. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, it's the same reason Google doesn't open. Doesn't tell people. Right, right. How it works Facebook doesn't tell people how it works. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> because all that does is encourage gaming. It gaming

Jeff Jarvis (00:16:10):
The system. Okay. Yep. Fair enough. Yep. So it's a different matter. I mean, but, but, but a better answer to your question and this is why I keep harping on blue sky, because that is a plan that says let's make Twitter and other social media into a protocol so that people can post wherever they want. Hello, Kevin Marks. And then we could come along and say, oh, I'm gonna find all the good people talking about cameras. I'm gonna find about here and here and here and here. And I'm gonna use these criteria and put it together in a new value added and social world mm-hmm <affirmative> camera thing. Right? Mm-hmm now that's a strategy. That's more than just saying, oh, I'm we can open doors.

Leo Laporte (00:16:47):
Well, and it's interesting. Cause we talked about that on Sunday, Corey doctor O and Owen Thomas and Tim Stevens were on TWI on Sunday mm-hmm <affirmative> and Corey said, I asked about blue sky and Corey said, it's interesting, cuz the way blue sky is structured, Elon does not control it. It is already funded. So Elon cannot take the funding away and there's no guarantee,

Jeff Jarvis (00:17:07):
Oh, I didn't

Leo Laporte (00:17:08):
Know that. But yes. And there's no guarantee that what blue sky does would end up being under the ages of Twitter anyway, mm-hmm <affirmative> they, you know, so blue sky is, is kind of a, you know, skunkworks R and D project that is really gonna be out of it's a hedge. It's gonna be out of Elon's, which is good. Cuz blue sky looks to me a lot more like Mato on, we were talking about Federation. Yeah. Yeah. And Mato on, which is we run a Mato on server, one of thousands, twit.social, everybody. So you couldn't steal, you couldn't take mastered on cuz you'd have, you know, there's nobody owns it. Right. You know, Eugene who does the software is a, so you know, independent software developer in Germany, I guess you could buy him mm-hmm <affirmative> but the software's open source.

Leo Laporte (00:17:53):
Somebody would for keep it going. Yeah. And because this is the beauty of a federated server, like blue sky or Mastadon each server owner, me and the case of TWI do social, decides what cos and what doesn't go. Right. And if you don't want to, if there are some servers I don't like on gab, for instance runs on Mastadon. Yeah. So I don't, I can say, I don't wanna see anything from gab. They can moderate it any way they want mm-hmm <affirmative> but if I don't wanna see it, I just say in my settings, no gab, and then nobody, but your users, I sign up for, for TWIs. No, you could do it in, this was an in eye server land. It is at server level. Yes. I, I actually don't federate with gab, so, but I, I might turn that back on because it turns out you can also do it as an individual, so you can be on any server and say, but I don't wanna see traffic from server X, Y, or C. So you really have total control over what you see. I think it's a really, it's a beautiful system. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> let me see if it's,

Ant Pruitt (00:18:56):
If it's here, I've been getting a lot of notifications for people following me on Masteron and I just want to say here that folks, I, I hardly ever hop into TWI do social <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:19:07):
Well, come on in, come on in. We have a nice day

Ant Pruitt (00:19:10):
Group. I spend more time in twi.community.

Leo Laporte (00:19:12):
Well, that's a good place too. You know, that's a forum that's I love both

Ant Pruitt (00:19:15):
Of them spend more time. So jump over there. Twi.Community. It's it's free. Just sign up and somebody I known sitting next to me, he'll walk you through the approval process. Yeah. Just like Macedon.

Leo Laporte (00:19:25):
Yeah. I I am a fan of Federation in general. Yeah. And that's what blue sky's about. Corey was very strong. Although there was a funny little twist because when the Supreme court decision was leaked a number of people pointed out that all justice Alito is saying is, well, cuz Corey was saying just like the United States is a Federation. Yes. And each state has its own rules. And Corey said, and this was before it was leaked. You just move. If you don't like the rules of your state, you move to another state with different rules. So if you don't wanna be in Texas, you moved to California or right. Washington state, as you did. I don't know why. I don't think it was because of that Stacy, but, but that's actually it was okay. It wasn't, no, it wasn't sold because of Napa.

Leo Laporte (00:20:12):
But sadly, when the decision came out, it became very clear, not that's a kind of a luxury to say, well, I'm not gonna live in this. Yeah. You can't just be like, y'all I don't like world here. Just move if you don't like it. Yeah. Doesn't work for most people. Right. especially the people who are, you know, most deeply disadvantaged by this. But so it was kind of a little twist on this idea of Federation, but you know there, there, there are reasons that the United States is strong. We do have a federated union and each state does get to make a lot of its own rules. And I, in fact, think that's not a bad thing necessarily anyway, not to get political and not to get into Twitter. <Laugh> sorry, Stacy.

Ant Pruitt (00:20:53):
Talk about Google on this show folks. I promise

Leo Laporte (00:20:55):
You. Is there any Google at all? <Laugh> we

Stacey Higginbotham (00:20:57):
Always get to the

Leo Laporte (00:20:58):
News log. Actually. There's a gala lot of Google because Google's quarterly results came out this week or last week and Google IO. We're gonna do Jeff, thank you for joining us. Yes, can't wait. Yes. So the Google IO keynote is I,

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:11):
I don't get to be there with Jason and, and having the snacks. I don't get any free phone or anything, but I'll have

Leo Laporte (00:21:16):
You, well, that's not our fault. That's Google in their infinite wisdom. Decided not to invite the press, I guess. It's kind of a weird hybrid IO this year, but the only people in person will be Google's employees and carefully curated. Hmm. Will, will there be

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:34):
Nothing but cheers

Ant Pruitt (00:21:35):
As, as it sounds like the apple kind of thing, right? Yeah. Yeah. You know,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:21:40):
I thought there would be a couple, I never mind. I don't know.

Leo Laporte (00:21:44):
I, I, I mean, I'm not invited. Yeah. N none of nobody I know is invited, so <laugh> figuring nobody good could possibly be going. It will be May 11th through 12th, both live and online, and we will be covering the keynote at 10:00 AM. Pacific 1:00 PM. Eastern 1700 UTC on Wednesday, a week from today, a week from today, May 11th.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:22:10):
Do you wanna say what? We're looking forward to?

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:12):
Very sick

Leo Laporte (00:22:12):
Of me. Yeah. Jeff Jarvis and Jason, how, and I will be doing the play by play. You could join us if you wanted Stacy, but I figure you'll probably,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:22:21):
I think I'm doing my job. Yeah. My other job.

Leo Laporte (00:22:23):
Yeah. I think you, you're not available. That's

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:25):
I think I'm doing that thing. You know the thing actually, sorry, Leo. I got

Leo Laporte (00:22:29):
A thing. I got a thing I'm washing my hair. I can't couldn't but other, you know, love to, but husband

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:36):
Don't I have a thing.

Leo Laporte (00:22:37):
I have a thing. What's that thing. Oh yeah,

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:39):
Yeah. That's right. We're doing, I have a thing.

Leo Laporte (00:22:41):
We're doing that thing.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:22:42):
I'll B emptying my conference now.

Leo Laporte (00:22:44):
I know, I know. We know, we know you already told us ahead of time, so you're covered. You're safe. What will we expect at Google IO? I think a pixel watch

Stacey Higginbotham (00:22:55):
Pretty safe. I'm excited about the watch, the final bringing together the Fitbit acquisition, the hardware, the software integration. Oh. Way to look at it. Yeah. Everything related to that.

Leo Laporte (00:23:07):
I mean, from what we've seen, it's actually a really attractive watch. Don't you think?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:23:13):
It's I mean, all watches are too big for me. Yeah. That's just,

Leo Laporte (00:23:17):
You know, it's the floppy house

Stacey Higginbotham (00:23:18):
I've got floppy wrists. <Laugh> I can <laugh> delicate wrists. They can't support a watch.

Ant Pruitt (00:23:23):
And that's one thing I have to never say about these watches is most of the time, they're always a little bit too small. It's nice to see these larger

Leo Laporte (00:23:30):
Face for a big guy. Like you,

Ant Pruitt (00:23:32):
His hands are big.

Leo Laporte (00:23:33):
Oh, jeez.

Ant Pruitt (00:23:34):
Something like that looks okay. You know, this one

Leo Laporte (00:23:37):
Is that the picture

Jeff Jarvis (00:23:38):
Picture watch. Can you and Leo put your hands up next to each other. I'm curious to compare

Leo Laporte (00:23:41):
This. You don't even, you don't even want, you don't even want I'm like a child. Oh, wow. Like a child. <Laugh> child's hands. Little tiny baby hands. Oh, Mr. Trump.

Ant Pruitt (00:23:54):
This is why I actually

Leo Laporte (00:23:56):
Use these. How tall

Ant Pruitt (00:23:56):
Are these old mice too? Cuz cuz these old mice actually fit my hands better.

Leo Laporte (00:24:01):
Oh, that's interesting. How tall are you?

Ant Pruitt (00:24:03):
I'm just six. Two. I'm not very tall.

Leo Laporte (00:24:05):
Just six, two. Okay. That's like the average height. So your hands six foot are not out of

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:10):
Five. 10 is the height of the average man?

Leo Laporte (00:24:12):
That's my height

Ant Pruitt (00:24:13):
States. Yeah. You're not five 10

Leo Laporte (00:24:15):
<Laugh> I was before I got old, I used to read

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:22):
Who's reading about this surgery. You could do you're $75,000.

Leo Laporte (00:24:26):
Huh? You get three gained three inches. Huh? Goodness. My hands would then even be smaller. Yeah. Relatively. It'd be like really tiny.

Ant Pruitt (00:24:36):
I'm sorry. Chad room. I thought six two was roughly an average. Isn't

Leo Laporte (00:24:40):
He? Isn't he sweet. Bless his heart. Yeah. Six, two. That's that's the average guy? Six, two, right? I thought so. And, and your hands,

Ant Pruitt (00:24:47):
My hands are really big. I I,

Leo Laporte (00:24:49):
So are they bigger than like a normal six two person?

Ant Pruitt (00:24:52):
I think so. I've always been

Leo Laporte (00:24:54):
Told. They seem pretty big. You know, you have puppy, dog hands where's Jason, get Jason in here.

Ant Pruitt (00:24:58):
Football catching hands. How old is

Leo Laporte (00:25:00):
Six? Six right

Ant Pruitt (00:25:02):
Now he's six, eight he's

Leo Laporte (00:25:03):
Six, eight mm-hmm <affirmative>. And have you compared hands with him or anything else?

Ant Pruitt (00:25:07):
I

Leo Laporte (00:25:08):
Wait. No <laugh> no,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:10):
I will hang up

Leo Laporte (00:25:12):
In that direction. Me Jason.

Ant Pruitt (00:25:12):
Excuse me, sir. I don't have to, to let's

Leo Laporte (00:25:14):
See. Let's see Jason's in the house. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. It's like real. So their hands are the same size. He's a little smaller. Yeah. It's slightly smaller. Slightly smaller. Yeah. Oh, come so you're taller here. Jason got mega. Ham's got hands. He's got really big hair is like it's stretched. Good job. <Laugh> thank you, Jason. How thank you

Ant Pruitt (00:25:39):
Producer Jason. How Mr. Raygun.

Leo Laporte (00:25:41):
That's yeah, it's nice. We have people in, in house. It's really nice to have people around. Really. It's great. Sorry.

Ant Pruitt (00:25:48):
I'm

Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:49):
Sure. I'm sure our listeners really appreciated the,

Leo Laporte (00:25:51):
The,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:25:52):
The hand comparison,

Leo Laporte (00:25:53):
Especially the audio listeners, but actually exactly. They're like, if you're listening in audio, you're probably imagining giant hands. Like, you know the imagination,

Ant Pruitt (00:26:02):
You're not wrong. And then I walked through

Leo Laporte (00:26:03):
The door wrong. You're not wrong. So this is a what lost. It was a lost pixel watch was left in a bar like

Ant Pruitt (00:26:12):
The iPhone.

Leo Laporte (00:26:13):
Yeah. Except that, that seems a little far fetched, I think probably intentionally left behind by a Googler. In fact we know who left bit behind now. I think they, they found out, oh, they did. Yeah. But this is, these are pictures from, I think it was Android police that, that got the pictures. Yeah. I think it looks pretty good. Yeah. I dig it. Yeah. Yeah. It will be obviously Android where Google, this is the thing that's amazing. Google's never made a watch. I stunned. No.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:41):
Have you tried Andrew? Where or sorry, Android where it's

Leo Laporte (00:26:44):
Terrible. Yeah. Well, I bought the first

Stacey Higginbotham (00:26:45):
One tell Google's never made

Leo Laporte (00:26:46):
<Laugh> remember the Moto 360. I really liked it. I liked it. It was, yeah. I have the new Samsung galaxy four classic, which is that weird Android wear slash Samsung ties, but it ties in, but it's Android wear. And it's quite good. So the big, big battery, the battery in my galaxy watch is 247 milliamp hours, according to nine to five, Google 300 milliamp hours for the Google pixel watch.

Ant Pruitt (00:27:15):
So, but what does that mean in, in days, weeks?

Leo Laporte (00:27:18):
Probably not more than all day battery life, really? You know, but I'm okay.

Ant Pruitt (00:27:22):
So we'll see for people that want to get these watches and, and sleep in them for sleep tracking and things like that. What's the point?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:30):
Well, so Google's so here's where I'm excited. Sorry. I'm I I'm interrupting. I'm sorry. No, you're

Leo Laporte (00:27:37):
Doing all I said is Nest. Does not qualify for interruption. You can talk whenever you want.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:43):
Google has the nest to hub with the solely radar for sleep tracking. Oh, okay. So it's possible. Google could be like, Hey, you get the watch. You get this guy. You charge your, watch. This guy watches your sleep, Uhhuh, compile all the data. You get it. It's great.

Leo Laporte (00:27:58):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> well also what a lot of people do with the apple watch, which also is only all day, is it charges fast enough that you could wear it all night and charge it while you shower and get ready for work. Okay. And then put it back on. That makes sense. So they charge within under an hour. Okay. So I think that that's another solution. So I read, somebody said that of all the sleep trackers, they tried, the Google nest hub was the best you used that. Right?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:23):
I, I ha I don't have it. I'm not using it right now, but when I used it, it was very good with my it compared well with my Fitbit.

Ant Pruitt (00:28:32):
Mm-Hmm

Leo Laporte (00:28:32):
<Affirmative> do you have to have the one with a camera?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:35):
No. It's with the solely, I mean the little, they all have cameras.

Leo Laporte (00:28:39):
No, no. I have one that doesn't have a camera, but it might have the solely.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:42):
Oh yeah. It's only the only sleep tracking. One is the nest hub. Second generation I can show. Well, no I can't.

Leo Laporte (00:28:48):
Yeah. Yeah. I see it. I have it right here on the, on the so that's not a camera. That's that's the solely.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:54):
That's also a camera. No, there, the solely, I think is actually one of the others.

Leo Laporte (00:28:58):
Oh, okay. Or

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:59):
To both of the others.

Leo Laporte (00:29:00):
I can't remember. So that's part of the problem is a lot of people don't want a camera in their bedroom watching them fair

Stacey Higginbotham (00:29:05):
Enough. But you can physically turn the camera

Leo Laporte (00:29:07):
And it will still work with this sleep sensing.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:29:10):
Yeah. Cuz the sleep solely is a radar. Right? Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so they're using RF, not a camera to track your, they, it tracks your respiration.

Ant Pruitt (00:29:18):
Right. Does it also record audio to

Stacey Higginbotham (00:29:22):
It? Does it records,

Ant Pruitt (00:29:23):
Records. They want to listen.

Leo Laporte (00:29:24):
We will know if you snore, right?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:29:26):
Yeah. It tracks your snoring and it records it and does all of the data processing locally on the device. Okay. And then it'll just send you and you can, I believe store the recordings of your snores. Okay. But you don't like, so if it hears other things in the middle of the night, like my dog's collar jingling, it did not pick that up. Or if it did pick it up, it didn't record it or do anything with it. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:29:51):
So I am gonna,

Ant Pruitt (00:29:53):
Are you ordering in already?

Leo Laporte (00:29:54):
I, yeah, because I have so many sleep trackers and I, I wanna compare them. So I have the but what is, this? Is the Serta or Beautyrest or something? Sleep tracker. That's from motion X in bed. That's under the mattress. Yeah. The paddle. I have my eight sleep mattress. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> which is cover. That's gonna be like next to my, that should be the most accurate. I, I just ordered this. I have, I guess I thought I had it, but I guess I have the first generation. So I ordered the second generation to replace it. They're only 99 bucks. It's not,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:30:27):
You have to install Google fit right now. You have to use Google fit to get that data. Just so

Leo Laporte (00:30:33):
You know, got a pixel.

Ant Pruitt (00:30:34):
I never liked the Google fit app. Like all of the other third party apps gave me more information than Google fit.

Leo Laporte (00:30:41):
Did Google, is

Ant Pruitt (00:30:42):
It updated and

Leo Laporte (00:30:43):
Well I've, I've used, I think Amazon health, Google fit and apple health are all pretty comparable. They're all. Okay. But you're a fit. You're actually a fitness guy. You might have a different opinion.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:30:53):
I did not like Google health

Ant Pruitt (00:30:56):
Or sorry,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:30:56):
Google fit before.

Leo Laporte (00:30:58):
Yeah. And it, it, it kind, the real key for me on all of these is that they connect with enough devices. Yeah. Cause I have like all the different things that you know,

Ant Pruitt (00:31:07):
So yeah. And it's given you a daily steps. See, it didn't do that before. Yeah. All right. Maybe I should't stop.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:12):
Well, but it tracks your steps and stuff only from your phone, not from your watch.

Leo Laporte (00:31:16):
Well, it might, if you had a

Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:18):
Well that's and so that's why we're getting excited. <Laugh> but the other thing,

Leo Laporte (00:31:22):
It doesn't work with a Fitbit.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:25):
You can pull in fit actually. Can't you for like the last time I checked, it would not let me do it.

Leo Laporte (00:31:32):
That's sad. Well, now that it,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:33):
It does work with my, this was right after they bought it actually. But now that it, it does pull in my Nike training workouts, which I feel that are hard. Those workouts are hardcore enough for you. And mm-hmm

Ant Pruitt (00:31:45):
<Affirmative>

Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:46):
I feel like you'd be like, oh, well this is, this is sort of challenging because they absolutely break my body. <Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (00:31:52):
I'm just like, nah, don't no

Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:54):
More.

Leo Laporte (00:31:56):
I'm I'm measuring my heart right now. But putting my finger on the camera

Ant Pruitt (00:32:01):
That doesn't works

Leo Laporte (00:32:01):
Really? That doesn't work. Look, it looks pretty good. It's like a, it's like a sign wave. It's pretty good.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:32:10):
Does it match your heart rate on your

Leo Laporte (00:32:12):
Watch? Well, I'm gonna find out. So that's why I wanna try all these devices and see, which is the most accurate. I also wear the aura ring. You won your purpose for sleep tracking.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:32:21):
Yes. I, your heart rate, man,

Leo Laporte (00:32:23):
I'm doing a freaking TV show right now. He up please

Ant Pruitt (00:32:28):
On air.

Leo Laporte (00:32:30):
Well, that went

Ant Pruitt (00:32:31):
Seated. I getting upset. Now you guys are so

Leo Laporte (00:32:36):
Mean.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:32:37):
No, I just I'm worried about shooting.

Leo Laporte (00:32:39):
Well, my, my resting heart, rate's like 56. So don't worry about me. I'm okay. I'm good. Okay. Nice. Let's like <laugh> I know it feels like I'm calm, cool collected. When I do these shows, I'm relaxed, but actually this is hard work. You guys are tough. The watch says I'm 78. Maybe I down.

Ant Pruitt (00:33:01):
I just installed.

Leo Laporte (00:33:02):
Oh no. Now I just went up to 81. <Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (00:33:05):
Blood pressure.

Leo Laporte (00:33:07):
82. It's going up. Let's see. I think the apple watch has been the most accurate cuz I compare it with like one of those polar straps, which I think is right. You know, that's probably the most, most, most accurate. Yeah. And it's always the same as the polar strap. So nice. I feel like the apple watch is very accurate. I've got the aura ring. I've got oh, so many sleep trackers and they all say something different

Ant Pruitt (00:33:31):
<Laugh> which is not good. If it's supposed to be tracking one person.

Leo Laporte (00:33:34):
Well, it makes you wonder, is this just a made up number? Like

Ant Pruitt (00:33:38):
These algorithms, right?

Leo Laporte (00:33:39):
Yeah. My 80. Let me see what the I'm 58 right now. 58. You don't look at day over 70.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:33:46):
Oh your heart rate.

Leo Laporte (00:33:51):
That's not nice.

Ant Pruitt (00:33:52):
Jeff. I don't know how to track my heart rate on here. I have to figure that out.

Leo Laporte (00:33:57):
Your heart rate is 58 right now. Yeah. I just took it. Yeah. That's not

Ant Pruitt (00:34:01):
Possible. That's impressive. You are the coolest cat on

Leo Laporte (00:34:04):
This. That's that's not. That's like he's. Well,

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:06):
Cuz I'm bored by this talk cause I'm not in, I'm not in shape. So I dunno what to do with that.

Leo Laporte (00:34:09):
How can it be 58

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:11):
For the next topic? Well,

Leo Laporte (00:34:12):
I can try my, I am too high.

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:14):
I'll try my cardio. Let's see

Ant Pruitt (00:34:17):
Cardio. Yeah. Yeah,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:18):
Those are oh that's yeah. That's actually truly accurate

Ant Pruitt (00:34:21):
A live core, right?

Leo Laporte (00:34:23):
Oh man. I, I didn't realize my heart rate was so high.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:28):
Yeah. My, my, my 68 right now,

Leo Laporte (00:34:31):
So I've got a dry cough. I got a bad heart rate. Yours is 68.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:36):
Yeah. See, but my resting heart, rate's like 53

Leo Laporte (00:34:39):
People don't realize how hard it is to host a show with you. Clowns.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:45):
I know. And you know my heart rate when I'm on stage, walking around giving a speech. Yeah. But it's for that amount of time, it's sustained like at like 80.

Leo Laporte (00:34:54):
Yeah. So that's

Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:55):
I have to stand up for that.

Leo Laporte (00:34:56):
Well, I don't have to stand is 59, 59. Wow. Jeff. I would work.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:02):
That's just like,

Leo Laporte (00:35:02):
That seems very calm.

Ant Pruitt (00:35:04):
Mine. Mine is hired in y'alls. Mine is 92. See,

Leo Laporte (00:35:07):
I know he's working. That's why,

Ant Pruitt (00:35:08):
But I get no you're making

Jeff Jarvis (00:35:09):
Nervously though.

Ant Pruitt (00:35:10):
I get excited. I get fired up being on. Yeah. So

Jeff Jarvis (00:35:14):
Yeah, just, just, just talking moral panic and then see what happens. I'll check

Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:18):
It again. <Laugh> yeah. Just we'll check in on Jeff's heart rate later. When we talk about,

Leo Laporte (00:35:21):
Do we do we think Google will announce a pixels six a

Ant Pruitt (00:35:27):
Why not Wednesday?

Leo Laporte (00:35:28):
You already

Ant Pruitt (00:35:28):
Hit it. Why not hit

Leo Laporte (00:35:29):
It? It's about that time. Right? So a new phone and a new watch. 

Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:35):
Jeff, you wanna, you wanna hope for your new notebook? <Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (00:35:40):
Forget.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:40):
Probook.

Leo Laporte (00:35:42):
It's not gonna happen.

Ant Pruitt (00:35:43):
That's done.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:45):
I just, I want Jeff to have something nice in his life. Thank

Leo Laporte (00:35:48):
You.

Ant Pruitt (00:35:50):
And I'm assuming they're gonna talk more about the air quotes improvements to the Android operating system.

Leo Laporte (00:35:57):
Yeah. Cuz we saw Android 13 start the first preview of that come out last

Ant Pruitt (00:36:02):
Week. Oh you mean the one that started wiping phones? Yeah. That

Leo Laporte (00:36:06):
One <laugh> well, Hey look, you know, it shouldn't have to be said if you are downloading the very first public beta it's of a and I was it even public beta or dev beta. I think it was developer beta of an operating system. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> you're not putting that on your main phone. I hope

Ant Pruitt (00:36:23):
Mr. How I felt so

Leo Laporte (00:36:24):
Bad. Did it happen to did really Jason? Oh wow. Well Jason,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:36:30):
I mean that's his,

Leo Laporte (00:36:30):
That's his job. That's his job. That's job.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:36:33):
But dang.

Leo Laporte (00:36:34):
So pixel six, a pixel watch. We had rumors last year that Google was gonna announce a folding.

Ant Pruitt (00:36:42):
Oh that that's right? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:36:44):
And it sounded last year, like they were close to doing it. So you don't think so?

Jeff Jarvis (00:36:48):
I think we would've heard something. I think we would've heard folding jokes. We heard something. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:36:52):
Didn't we get a didn't we get a folding phone leak of something just like yesterday.

Jeff Jarvis (00:36:57):
Yeah. Oh well maybe they all changed my mind then,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:00):
But maybe it was a Samsung one. I just remember it was like, it was a folding phone leak.

Leo Laporte (00:37:04):
Well, you have a folding phone. So you, I

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:06):
Do have

Ant Pruitt (00:37:06):
A folding. I thought it was, we saw in these leaks in like

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:10):
Google's first foldable.

Leo Laporte (00:37:12):
What does, what does it say?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:15):
She's are we asking? Yeah, one

Jeff Jarvis (00:37:16):
Day ago on

Leo Laporte (00:37:18):
You.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:19):
Oh, okay. Google's first foldable smartphone will have a rather compact cover display.

Leo Laporte (00:37:23):
Okay. but we don't know when I don't

Jeff Jarvis (00:37:26):
1400 bucks. We B

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:29):
Shh. Stop

Leo Laporte (00:37:32):
Last night. Jason's saying the guest on all about Android had a pixel six, a case that was shipped to him by accident. So that sounds like the six, the six a is definitely on for Wednesday. I'm sorry, but this is from Tom sky. Jeff. All the things Google will not announce on Wednesday. No, not in 2022, a pixel book. A pixel slate. <Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (00:37:57):
That taste?

Leo Laporte (00:37:59):
Nothing.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:59):
You're not traveling much yet, right?

Jeff Jarvis (00:38:03):
No, but

Ant Pruitt (00:38:05):
Just wants a nice work. I

Jeff Jarvis (00:38:06):
Go out to the deck and work.

Ant Pruitt (00:38:07):
Yeah. He won a nice

Leo Laporte (00:38:08):
Work. And Hey,

Jeff Jarvis (00:38:08):
Do you think, I mean, I have my go. I just it's nice. I like it.

Leo Laporte (00:38:12):
I just did a dumb, dumb thing. I just bought a Google nest.

Ant Pruitt (00:38:16):
Hubub

Leo Laporte (00:38:18):
It's five days a week before. They're probably gonna ship a new one.

Ant Pruitt (00:38:23):
A new one here. Cancel order. Have you

Jeff Jarvis (00:38:25):
Opened it yet? Yeah. Cancel.

Leo Laporte (00:38:27):
I just order it literally on

Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:28):
The show. Literally just ordered

Ant Pruitt (00:38:29):
It. Yeah. Cancel order. Oh

Jeff Jarvis (00:38:30):
Then the

Ant Pruitt (00:38:31):
Order you got time.

Leo Laporte (00:38:33):
You think I should?

Ant Pruitt (00:38:34):
Yes please.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:35):
Yeah. Wait a week, dude.

Leo Laporte (00:38:37):
<Laugh> cancel it now. But I want,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:39):
I mean, well that's what I'm saying.

Leo Laporte (00:38:40):
Also if I order it now it's more likely Google update it on Wednesday. All right. Let me cancel my order.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:46):
It's a hundred bucks. You can always use another Google display. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:38:52):
Probably went oh, quick ship. It <laugh> quick. Before he found schmuck, we found another one selecting a reason. I'm a schmuck order. The I'm a schmuck. Yeah. I never know what to say on the reason, cuz it's never matches my real reason, which is well,

Jeff Jarvis (00:39:09):
Plus that. Oops. Only some of them are acceptable too. So that's the other

Leo Laporte (00:39:12):
Problem. Okay. I canceled. No,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:39:14):
They're all acceptable. Just some of them won't give you your money back. <Laugh> right.

Leo Laporte (00:39:17):
That's true. I canceled it. Yeah. So we're good. We're good. Thank goodness. So now that puts, it's like Shing your scat because when I had ordered it, then it for sure meant they would announced something next week. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> now I've canceled it. What has happened? Has it killed the pixel nest hub? They're probably gonna just talk Waymo next week. Waymo. No funny. Wouldn't that be funny? Let's talk about self-driving right. It so funny. Be so funny. Well, I'm excited. We haven't had a real Google IO in a while. We still can't gather. I have such fond memories of getting together. Jeff with you and Gina TRPA at Google IO some years ago. That was so much fun. It was so much fun. We used to battle over. We did

Jeff Jarvis (00:40:01):
The show from, we did the whole show from,

Leo Laporte (00:40:02):
We did the show from down there. Yeah. I, I remember you guys. Jason's done that several years in a row with all about Android. So cross your fingers, cross your fingers.

Jeff Jarvis (00:40:10):
I like the, the dried fruit was very good. They had good chips.

Leo Laporte (00:40:15):
Oh God. Yeah. Remember the, the first time they did a shoreline, they had like a whole campground set up with yeah. Oh exactly. All these little tents and booze and you got to choose a little button with your pronoun. It's great. Interesting. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:40:30):
You got a free phone.

Leo Laporte (00:40:32):
Yeah, that was the good stuff.

Jeff Jarvis (00:40:34):
I mean, I, I, I we're old enough to remember IO. When was it? Chromebooks that gave out originally there were the applause from the OSCON center nexus

Leo Laporte (00:40:42):
Sevens.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:40:43):
I was like, I got the nexus nexus, the nexus two nexus, one nexus, something that they handed out.

Leo Laporte (00:40:50):
Yeah. I remember those.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:40:51):
Those, those were nice. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:40:52):
Google cardboard caused much joy even though it cost a dollar 98.

Leo Laporte (00:40:57):
That was really fun though. Yeah. And you had used that to distract yourself while coming over the golden gate bridge. Yes. So he assembled his cardboard. So in the what's new keynotes, which are after send Che's keynote they will be covering Android fire base, learn how to build and run apps. Users love with fire base flutter, which is another nice cross-platform framework for developers, web learning. How Google is investing in the web platform. AR lot of be there's a lot of AR interest right now between meta and apple. I wonder if Google will respond to any of that. They've kind of had a Rocky experience solely, which shows up in the nest hub was their AR solution for the phone, but they decide they decided not to put it in the phones, Google play Chrome OS Google home and Google pay. That pretty much covers it all. But of course there's no leaks about what they might announce, but I think that's a pretty good guess.

Leo Laporte (00:42:02):
Wednesday's take Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday. Let's take a little break. Come back with more. It's great to have the gang all together again, Stacey. Higginbotham from Stacey on iot.com. Pruitt from hands on photography. Jeff Jarvis from Craig Newmark. <Laugh> our from the loins thereof. Yes. Loins of Craig Newmark spring Jeff Jarvis with his heart rate. Well on 60 <laugh> our show today brought to you by privacy.com. I'll tell you what brings my heart rate up is buying something online with a credit card. And I, I can't even count the number of times that number's been stolen and somebody else has bought something else. And I've had to cancel the card. That's a pain. You gotta get a new card for the last few years I have. Anytime I'm buying online, used a card from privacy.com. Let me tell you why privacy masks your real bank information and creates virtual credit cards for your use online.

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Leo Laporte (00:44:45):
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Leo Laporte (00:45:27):
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Leo Laporte (00:46:01):
She said, you're buying. I said, that's even better. I love that. And sharing it with her was so easy. You it's, I don't have to mail her a number and you know, or text it to her. None of that's secure. You actually just create the card and privacy on the website and you say, share this. You give him, I give my mom's email address and that's it. They handle the rest. It's very easy. She doesn't have to have an account to use it. She's got everything she needs. It's I just love it. You get a full activity summary. You can tag purchases. So it makes it very easy to filter by date or by how much you've spent or by tag. It's great for budgeting. I just think this is a no brainer and I want you to do it. You should check out the various levels.

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Jeff Jarvis (00:47:30):
<Laugh> that's funny. Isn't it? This

Leo Laporte (00:47:32):
Is why I think this is why Elon buys Twitter, right? It gives him a little cache. Parliament wants him to discuss the future. Oh maybe this is not, maybe this is not,

Jeff Jarvis (00:47:43):
It's not much fun.

Leo Laporte (00:47:43):
That kind of invite. You're

Jeff Jarvis (00:47:45):
Gonna get rid of moderation. No, no, no. Nore about taking

Leo Laporte (00:47:48):
The woodshed. Oh, we are interested in the developments. You propose in particular your intention to rule out verification for all users, echos our calls on the UK government as part of proposed legislation. Hmm. He also wants to know about misinformations Julian Knight member of parliament, chair of the DCMS committee, the digital culture, media and sport committee. We'd also like to know how

Jeff Jarvis (00:48:14):
Did the jocks get into this? How do you

Leo Laporte (00:48:16):
Cricket minute?

Jeff Jarvis (00:48:17):
Why did a camera flip the me

Leo Laporte (00:48:20):
<Laugh> how did the jocks like this? Let's go to one

Jeff Jarvis (00:48:24):
<Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:48:27):
I therefore wish to take this opportunity to invite you, to speak upon our committee and discuss your panels in more depth. I look forward to hearing a response in discussing your plans for the future of Twitter and committee near future. Your sincerely Julie night. Yes <affirmative>. Yes. Well, I don't know if Elon will accept, but he,

Jeff Jarvis (00:48:47):
I have my

Leo Laporte (00:48:47):
Doubts. He has the invite anonymous,

Jeff Jarvis (00:48:53):
The fee, the fee we're gonna, you're gonna be paying for Twitter.

Leo Laporte (00:48:56):
Well, he said a small fee for commercial and government users, but we already pay, I already pay three bucks. We all pay the saying that

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:04):
Think it'd be a little less small than that. Yeah. But

Leo Laporte (00:49:06):
You think it'd be more than,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:06):
Did he talk about it being like a set amount per follower account?

Leo Laporte (00:49:12):
Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:13):
Kind of like a mail Chimp idea or did I, that's

Leo Laporte (00:49:16):
Not nice to call him a Chimp. A slight, he says slight Twitter fee for commercial users.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:24):
Like every thousand followers cost you a dollar a month.

Leo Laporte (00:49:28):
Yeah. Doesnt say mean some revenue is better than none. He says.

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:31):
So Nike,

Leo Laporte (00:49:32):
I don't think he even knows about Twitter below. No, he doesn't mean he doesn't even know about

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:36):
It's like, oh, good, good. Keep him away.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:39):
I don't, I don't know if anyone else knows about it either. It's just the four of us

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:43):
Supporting all the players of us. <Laugh> X day on the ULE.

Leo Laporte (00:49:52):
I think all of this is because he needs to raise money because his stake in the 44 billion, which is 21.

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:58):
Well, he, he is reducing that now he's trying to get other people

Leo Laporte (00:50:01):
Clint. Yeah. Oh yeah. So he's gotta get people to lend him money cuz he doesn't have 21 billion in cash. So I think that's why he's saying things like, and we could go public in three years and we're gonna develop new ways to monetize tweets. He also says'll crack down an executive pay to slash costs. I think there's a, a legitimate and serious concern that he's also going to lay off a lot of people It's business and

Jeff Jarvis (00:50:28):
The wrong people by that. I mean the function, the

Leo Laporte (00:50:30):
Functions that the moderators doesn't care about. Yeah. 

Jeff Jarvis (00:50:34):
Journalism relationships, that kind of stuff will go,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:37):
Oh no more Twitter.

Leo Laporte (00:50:39):
Thank you. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:42):
I was like, oh, we're getting into it. Didn't y'all get into it last week.

Leo Laporte (00:50:47):
Yeah. He was at the met gala. Will that make you happy? You wanna see his outfit? Oh

Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:52):
No.

Leo Laporte (00:50:53):
<Laugh> he's wearing looks like white tie.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:59):
That was the theme or not the theme.

Leo Laporte (00:51:01):
That's the theme was Giled age, but yeah. I mean he took it pretty pretty,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:05):
No serious. You, the dress code was white tie. Ryan Reynolds was also wearing white

Leo Laporte (00:51:08):
Tie. Oh, okay. That's yeah. Doesn't you know what? Elon get a tailor. The collar is way too big. Your next rattling around in there. Well,

Jeff Jarvis (00:51:18):
They were out on the, at the Reynold place, you know, they just didn't have a size. That's

Leo Laporte (00:51:21):
Fine. Richest man in the world can't get a fitting suit. It looks, you know, this is very Hotty. Who's he with? Who's that? It's not crimes. Oh mom. Oh, isn't that

Jeff Jarvis (00:51:35):
Sweetly not crimes. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:51:37):
Well you never know. Somebody said, I thought he looked like a conductor <laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (00:51:45):
<Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:51:47):
Oh yeah. Anyway, there you go. That's Elon Musk at the met. See that's nice. That's nice with his model mother. He at the, as speaking there, he said that the reach of Twitter is only niche and but he wants a much bigger percentage of the American population to be on it.

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:11):
Well, having everybody yell at everybody is not the way to do that. Elon.

Leo Laporte (00:52:14):
That's the thing. I don't think people understand that moderation is the key to growing. You can't, you can't have a yes. If you just let everything go. It's four Chan and four Chan is not big. It's full of awful people. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> who can say anything they want and it is not a successful enterprise in any respect. They don't make any money. Maybe

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:33):
He'll talk to the Reddit people cuz they've done a pretty decent job of yeah. Corralling the

Leo Laporte (00:52:40):
That's I love Reddit. It's my social network. I read it more than anything. What is it that bakes red at work? Because there's bad. They do have moderation. Moderation. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:49):
Well I and each community's very moderation. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:51):
Yeah. It's each community sets the standard

Leo Laporte (00:52:54):
And it's kinda like

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:55):
Very rarely. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:52:56):
Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:57):
Very rarely do community level. There was actually a really interesting article on slate about how the prepper community kept downvoting women's like issues that women think about for like prepping, right? So things like birth control after these Obi apocalypse, right? Like how do you manage that? And they were like, eh, not important. So then the women just were like, well screw this. And they created their own prepper community. So that's also,

Jeff Jarvis (00:53:24):
It's it's walking dead. We're seeing it before our very eyes. They're gonna go and war each other. That'd be that'd be fun. Be a good

Leo Laporte (00:53:30):
Show. I, I, I think actually though you nailed it, which is that each section is moderated in separately with its own rules and I only follow or appropriate. I only follow subreddits that I like mm-hmm <affirmative> and if it's, if it's outta control, I don't follow it so much more so than anything else. Cuz Reddit, unlike Twitter or Facebook or anybody else, doesn't push subreddits into your face that you aren't a member of. Right. You see just what occasionally they'll promote it. I always turn that off when they have, Hey, here's a subreddit. You might turn that off immediately. So you only see what you wanna see mm-hmm <affirmative> so it's very much

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:04):
It's like use net, but better.

Leo Laporte (00:54:05):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look you, we know how hard it is to do a social network without moderation. Usenet went down in flames for a while, literally in flame wars.

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:18):
Well, I also, I, I had to, for the, for the book I, I had to add in something about the well, and I was never a well guy. I thought there were a bunch of snots. Hey, but

Leo Laporte (00:54:27):
I was on, well, I

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:28):
Didn't really <laugh>. I don't even know what day I

Leo Laporte (00:54:31):
About yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:33):
The

Leo Laporte (00:54:33):
Whole earth electronic link. It was run out of a little houseboat in Sausalito for some years. Very big with the derate in bay area and Stewart bra started it. Okay. It was, what did you say about it in your book?

Jeff Jarvis (00:54:50):
Well, no, the FA the fascinating thing about I was talking about the lessons learned in the early days of the internet. And so, so I put that in there plus the reviewer of my, of my manuscript thought it would be good to talk about it. And I, he was right. So I did what I, what I didn't realize was number one, wired called the most influential network on earth. And it had only 10,000 members make

Leo Laporte (00:55:12):
Fun of really small. And it really small. Yeah. No. And it was, but it was influential people for its time. Oh yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:55:17):
Oh yeah. And, and they made the, they, they gave it, they, they charged, they made it free. That's right. For

Leo Laporte (00:55:21):
Journalists.

Jeff Jarvis (00:55:22):
That's right. But what was fascinating about it was, I didn't realize that there was a case Katie Hener I think wrote about this. She wrote a book, I think

Leo Laporte (00:55:29):
Later where the wizards stayed up late was her book about the internet where wizard stayed up

Jeff Jarvis (00:55:33):
Late. And she wrote about, about the, well, and there was a, there was really bad trolling not just kind of generic people coming in now and getting, getting,

Leo Laporte (00:55:44):
Oh, she wrote a book on the, well you're right. I, I did not read this. I have to get this book.

Jeff Jarvis (00:55:48):
And so they came in and there was one guy who, who died, what kind of on the, from trolling to get killed? No. Oh, okay. And, and, and he had a relationship with a woman on the, well, and it turned bad and they each had problems and it was, so it was a very early example of trolling and the problems that if you don't watch it, yeah. The well was famous for saying, you could read this three ways. You own your words,

Leo Laporte (00:56:15):
Right.

Jeff Jarvis (00:56:16):
That was, you have a copyright to them. It was also early section two 30. Hey, not our problem. You better watch it out. But it also said you're responsible for them, which I, which I liked that as a, as a, a motif that Facebook should have said from the beginning, Twitter

Leo Laporte (00:56:32):
Should have said, by the way, the well still exists. It's not the same. Yeah. It's well.com. Wow. Yeah. I was on the, well for a few years and it was weird.

Ant Pruitt (00:56:42):
Never heard

Leo Laporte (00:56:42):
Of this, but it's the first experience I had of the internet. Cuz you could drop through the well software into the, into the internet. So it's how I got online on the internet. Cool. I'm gonna have to read Katie's book by the way speaking. I did not, this is, this is a sign of the times marque Brownley was at the met.

Ant Pruitt (00:57:00):
Where were you? Leo? Good on him.

Leo Laporte (00:57:03):
And that is a, not a white tie. It is a black tie. <Laugh> it's not a white tie. But he looks pretty darn good. Good on

Ant Pruitt (00:57:09):
Him. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:57:10):
It's grow. That's a sign of the times, right? That a, a YouTube star is at this a geek

Jeff Jarvis (00:57:17):
Use tube star. Even

Leo Laporte (00:57:18):
That yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:19):
The geek YouTube. I mean cuz there there's been influencers last it's the met is co-sponsored by Instagram.

Leo Laporte (00:57:26):
Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:57:27):
So there have been influencers there.

Leo Laporte (00:57:29):
Oh it is. Co-Sponsored by Instagram as well. Oh I didn't know that. Okay. Okay. Cool. I'm just

Ant Pruitt (00:57:38):
Mark Little master class now by

Leo Laporte (00:57:39):
The way he does mm-hmm <affirmative> oh wow. He is a star. I can't believe we had the toity to offer him a job and

Jeff Jarvis (00:57:47):
<Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (00:57:50):
Did he even respond?

Leo Laporte (00:57:51):
Yeah, he said, well, I'd like to keep going to college. Thank you very much. But what he was thinking is are you kidding? <Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (00:57:57):
I'm

Leo Laporte (00:57:57):
Gonna be big. Are you kidding me? Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:58:01):
Yeah. And he's still fully independent, right? He still owns

Leo Laporte (00:58:04):
This. Oh yeah. All he's doing very well too. Yeah. He barely gave us time of day at CES. He, he, he said I well he was

Ant Pruitt (00:58:12):
With, yeah, he was with that crowd that's they were hurting him and a couple other people, but he knew he did stop and speak

Leo Laporte (00:58:19):
With me for a second. Yeah. He hear you were no idea who I was

Ant Pruitt (00:58:22):
<Laugh> <laugh> he didn't know who I was. I'm some old ball dude saying, Hey young man, I like your tech videos. I have really big heads. You should wave at me.

Leo Laporte (00:58:34):
Here is this is this is what my two favorite people, the stars of succession wore to the met gala. <Laugh> wow. Wow. Wow. Is right. Holy cow. Oh the fingernails too. Look at the hand. Yeah. That's curing. Cuan who plays? Karen Calkin. Who plays? Roman. Roy, the youngest cion of the, they, they killed Roy empire.

Ant Pruitt (00:58:56):
Those parts, man. They

Leo Laporte (00:58:57):
So and Kendall, Kendall, Roy on the left there. I can't remember the actor's name, but he's great. Jeremy, Jeremy Strong, strong that's right.

Ant Pruitt (00:59:05):
The accent

Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:05):
Brain. Just like a bunch of bottle caps on his

Leo Laporte (00:59:08):
Lip. That's a really weird outfit.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:10):
Like

Leo Laporte (00:59:11):
I think it's what's going on there. I think it's like a little bit like a teenager saying okay. If you want I'll wear white tie. Okay. If you make me okay. Go ahead. Did you get yours? Did you order your

Leo Laporte (00:59:27):
Your new selfie drone yet? I did. I ordered two, two,

Ant Pruitt (00:59:31):
Please know.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:59:32):
So aunt can have one.

Leo Laporte (00:59:33):
Please know. So, so snap is selling something called the pixie drone $230 selfie, drone. It's kind of a neat idea. Why are you skeptic? You like real drone? Not at all. I'm not. I, I was talking no, no, no. But ants going on. No, no, no. And you have to understand, I cannot. I'm not allowed to operate a drone. No,

Ant Pruitt (00:59:53):
You are not. But

Leo Laporte (00:59:54):
So this is a drone. I don't have to operate. I don't know exactly how it works, but I get the impression you just kind of throw it, throw it. Well, they've got a video showing how to do it. Oh, all right. Let's do it here.

Ant Pruitt (01:00:04):
I just don't think this is worth $230.

Leo Laporte (01:00:06):
Well, that was the funny thing. Cuz then the chat room said, oh, don't get that. There's another selfie. Drone does exactly the same thing. Yes. For half the price. Right?

Ant Pruitt (01:00:16):
It's not 200. That's not worth $230. That tech, that they're

Leo Laporte (01:00:20):
TDY. Oh. So I bought the other one too. And we're gonna do a head head and you're gonna be the guy in charge. Okay. Oh gosh. Oh my gosh. You're gonna be, you're gonna be.

Ant Pruitt (01:00:27):
And another thing here in Petaluma, have you, you go outside, you see how windy it is? Every dad gum thing. No,

Leo Laporte (01:00:34):
But this should work just fine cuz I can't control it. So the idea is you release the drone and it has three modes. One is it takes a selfie. One is it follows you around and one, it kind of goes around you, right? Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and then you just hold out your hand and it lands in your hand after taking the picture. It's like a pet look, look, watch. So she's she's I don't know how she gets it to launch. Oh, she presses a button. Okay.

Ant Pruitt (01:01:01):
All of that is great. Just not $230. It's

Leo Laporte (01:01:04):
Not, you think that's too exp. How much did you spend for your most recent drawing

Ant Pruitt (01:01:08):
For something like that? It a hundred, 150.

Leo Laporte (01:01:12):
Okay.

Ant Pruitt (01:01:13):
Because you're not gonna get the best of image. Quality. It it's

Leo Laporte (01:01:16):
It's yellow. And then it's

Ant Pruitt (01:01:18):
Gonna bust.

Leo Laporte (01:01:19):
One of the questions is if you can post it to something besides Snapchat or can it only go to Snapchat

Ant Pruitt (01:01:24):
And that would be no,

Leo Laporte (01:01:25):
It's just so the other one I got, you could post to anything. Probably this. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:01:29):
Well that's probably a more practical.

Leo Laporte (01:01:31):
Yeah. It's the same model of thing probably is from the same. I'm

Stacey Higginbotham (01:01:34):
Sure. Steven has, you know, and I would just say to you remember the flip camera?

Leo Laporte (01:01:39):
Oh, oh boy. Was that a life changer?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:01:41):
Right? I mean, it was easy and you could just, so this is like makes drones and turns it into kind of something so easy that you can just use whenever you want. So I, I agree with you that it's not like the

Ant Pruitt (01:01:55):
Best. Yeah. But drones are already pretty easy to use now at that price point that are way better quality at that price point.

Leo Laporte (01:02:03):
My question is, do I have to learn how torque

Ant Pruitt (01:02:07):
Why

Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:08):
Please? Don't

Ant Pruitt (01:02:09):
What were you saying? This is hidden bathroom

Leo Laporte (01:02:11):
<Laugh> but I, if I wanna be an influencer don't I have to do the influencer little dances like she's doing

Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:20):
That's he? No. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:02:22):
Oh gosh. <Laugh> I think it's gonna be super cool. I'm hoping it comes in time. I just, for our Alaska cruise with Paul thro, cuz I'm gonna do a lot of

Ant Pruitt (01:02:31):
Next thing.

Leo Laporte (01:02:31):
Pictures,

Ant Pruitt (01:02:32):
The battery on that. How many batteries are you gonna have with you? Because you know, that's not gonna fly for more than 10 minutes tops.

Leo Laporte (01:02:40):
Well, that's fine. How many is selfies gonna propagation? Yeah. Right. There's one, the one, the other one that I got has a little battery thing. You like pouch, you stick it in that, charges it some more. What's the name of that other one?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:56):
I think this will be a good present for Christmas of 20, 22. And I say this because we're gonna get a lot more awareness from it now. Okay. We're gonna be actually out in public with places and, and I'm thinking about for kids and like for people who just wanna have, and the price point will come down or will find I hope or we'll we'll find I hope so. Right. One and for like 150 bucks to give someone like a little drone and I know they've been out, I won

Leo Laporte (01:03:21):
Walk. Well, get this instead. I'm square with it. There're apparently quite. Yes, exactly. Won't that be fun? So this is the illegal, the air selfie air selfie, camera.com. This is only 150 bucks. Okay. And doesn't it look exactly the same. I think it's probably the same right. Hardware. Right? Does the same kind of

Ant Pruitt (01:03:38):
Thing. That's what I'm saying. You, you can, that's a more reasonable price for that piece

Leo Laporte (01:03:43):
Of equipment. Two, two K HT video. Okay. I don't know how

Ant Pruitt (01:03:49):
Frames for a second. That's that's good. All of that's that's legit for

Leo Laporte (01:03:52):
112 megapixel camera, not 274 degree field of view. So it's slightly wide can go 60 feet. It weighs these things. Weigh nothing, nothing less than two ounces. Yeah. So I could have it.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:06):
I could carry them in my hands with my gloppy wrist, your

Leo Laporte (01:04:09):
Floppy wrist land. And

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:09):
I wouldn't suffer.

Leo Laporte (01:04:11):
Well anyway, I ordered one of each. There are, it turns out, I didn't know this because I was so impulsive, but there's quite a few selfie drones in the world.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:22):
There are. Yeah. I just, I feel like that's why I feel like the snap pixie is kind of fun because it could kind of drive. Yeah. Attention. Like there's nothing right now. Like they exist, but yeah, no one's really using them or excited about them. And I think something like this might help with that.

Leo Laporte (01:04:38):
Well, and federal law prohibits me from ha operating a drone, but this way I'm not actually operating it itself. I couldn't possibly

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:46):
It's operating itself.

Leo Laporte (01:04:47):
It's operating itself. It can possibly screw it up.

Ant Pruitt (01:04:50):
Well, judge, I was not operating.

Leo Laporte (01:04:53):
No,

Ant Pruitt (01:04:53):
It was all on its own. I know it hit that kid in the eye, but I didn't

Leo Laporte (01:04:57):
Do it. It's 13 weeks out. So I'm not gonna get it probably till August. So it'll be a while. But

Ant Pruitt (01:05:04):
I love drones and, and this, this sounds fine. They just overpriced it for what it's

Leo Laporte (01:05:10):
Capable of. So you're not a snow, a drone snob or a snow drop. <Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (01:05:15):
Drop you. You

Leo Laporte (01:05:16):
Are. It's not that you're snobby about it. It's just, you think it's too high. It is price

Ant Pruitt (01:05:20):
For what it's gonna offer you. Do you, you see those tiny sensors image, sensors, and

Leo Laporte (01:05:25):
It's not gonna be quality. You're gonna get well, it'll be like, you don't think it'll even be camera, phone quality. No. Oh, most of the time.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:31):
Do you know what we're sticking in our camera phones

Leo Laporte (01:05:33):
Today. That's true. Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:36):
Okay. Was like this couldn't run that kind of processing power even if it wanted to.

Leo Laporte (01:05:39):
Yeah. All right. Well I wanna say I was the second. That's another

Jeff Jarvis (01:05:45):
$239. You've

Leo Laporte (01:05:45):
Wasted. I did it for you. I'm gonna get both of 'em. You can review 'em we can review 'em together, whatever you want.

Ant Pruitt (01:05:50):
Yeah. Here's a headline. Don't buy this thing. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:55):
I'm excited. I will look forward to that review because I'm

Leo Laporte (01:05:59):
Here to see, I think this would be a good thing for your gift for your kid, but don't don't get this, the pixie. Get the other one. Cuz it looks exactly the same.

Ant Pruitt (01:06:06):
All right. Now, did they mention any type of AI for recognizing pets?

Leo Laporte (01:06:11):
Pets? No. This is for your influencer channel. Oh,

Ant Pruitt (01:06:15):
Okay. Well pets are influencers. Well

Jeff Jarvis (01:06:18):
Pets are influencers.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:19):
Yeah. Yeah. My, my niece has an influencer dog. It has a cereal box ad.

Leo Laporte (01:06:25):
Really?

Ant Pruitt (01:06:26):
That's awesome. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:06:27):
Your wait a minute. Your niece's dog is on a cereal box.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:32):
Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:06:32):
What's cereal.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:34):
Magic

Leo Laporte (01:06:35):
Spoons. Oh, I like magic spoon. They wow. Magic spoon is the keto cereal.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:41):
Yeah. Is it? They're not on the box. They like did some photo with the box with the dog. I don't remember what

Leo Laporte (01:06:47):
That's like an a cause they're doing a lot of ads. Yeah. Cause a box has a cartoon on the cover. Well, that's pretty cool. Outstanding. That's really cool. Yeah. Magic spoon. It tastes like styrofoam, but it is keto. So, oh,

Ant Pruitt (01:07:01):
So it's

Leo Laporte (01:07:01):
Legit and it costs like $40 a box.

Ant Pruitt (01:07:03):
Okay. So it is legit keto. A lot of stuff has keto name on it and it's

Leo Laporte (01:07:08):
Not. It's sort of ketos five net carbs, no sugar. Most of the carbs are fiber. Okay. It's high protein. Okay. But like I said,

Jeff Jarvis (01:07:16):
This is the selfie drone of cereals.

Leo Laporte (01:07:17):
It's the selfie drone of cereals. Well, they got more flavors though.

Ant Pruitt (01:07:21):
If it doesn't taste good, it's probably keto.

Leo Laporte (01:07:24):
Yeah. Bacon tastes. When was GTO. I ate it because I thought, well, I should have a treat, but anyway air. So Apple's interesting people coming back to work, right? Maybe this is a premature. We're still waiting to see the COVID levels are starting to spike in areas like where you are. Jeff. Yep.

Jeff Jarvis (01:07:44):
It is they're

Leo Laporte (01:07:45):
Spiking here, sir. Are they spiking here now? Mm-Hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative> we are going to an indoor concert tomorrow. Is that a mistake? Yep.

Ant Pruitt (01:07:53):
I have no comment.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:07:55):
Are you gonna wear your mask?

Leo Laporte (01:07:57):
I'm gonna wear a mask now. Yeah. yes I am. We're going to see

Jeff Jarvis (01:08:03):
Offy got her third case of COVID at the white house correspondence dinner.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:10):
And we all knew that was gonna happen. Like oh yeah. They were on stage. Joking about it. I'm like

Leo Laporte (01:08:15):
Yeah. Super spreader event.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:18):
I was like germs. Don't recognize irony. Y'all

Ant Pruitt (01:08:20):
In 95, sir.

Leo Laporte (01:08:21):
<Laugh> yeah. Well I'll wear a mask. Good. Thank you for the suggestion. Cause I don't want, I don't wanna bring it back and yeah. A lot of people I know are starting to get it. So maybe it is. Yeah. In any event or

Jeff Jarvis (01:08:30):
People now I know more people now who have it than

Leo Laporte (01:08:33):
I've ever me too. Me too. Yeah. Isn't that interesting still? I still haven't gotten you. None of you haven't gotten it. Jeff. You haven't gotten it. You haven't gotten it. Stacy knock wood. We're all the paranoid types. I guess.

Ant Pruitt (01:08:46):
Fortunately

Jeff Jarvis (01:08:46):
I, well I live at a cave.

Leo Laporte (01:08:48):
Oh, that's it. We don't go anywhere, right? Yeah. I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:52):
Have places

Leo Laporte (01:08:53):
We are ask. Yeah. You are gonna be in Vegas next week. I know. Will you wear a mask?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:59):
Not when I'm on stage. Everywhere else. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (01:09:01):
I'm usually outside when I go somewhere. I

Leo Laporte (01:09:03):
Think you're safe on stage.

Ant Pruitt (01:09:05):
I'm usually fine. Outside.

Leo Laporte (01:09:06):
Outside.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:07):
Yeah. I mean it depends on the ventilation and the

Leo Laporte (01:09:08):
Hotel. We haven't been to an indoor concert in two and a half years. So this will be interesting.

Jeff Jarvis (01:09:14):
Who are you going to see?

Leo Laporte (01:09:16):
Anne Wilson of heart

Ant Pruitt (01:09:18):
And Sunda percha.

Leo Laporte (01:09:20):
<Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (01:09:21):
Guess we can Google. She's

Leo Laporte (01:09:22):
Gonna sing crazy on you. Anyway, it's gonna be fun tomorrow for CCO de Mayo, but maybe now I have, well, we'll see. I promise to test before I come back,

Ant Pruitt (01:09:35):
Enjoy it in 95.

Leo Laporte (01:09:37):
But what I was saying is people are starting to come back to work except they don't want too many cases. Now the estimate is that many is half of the apple employees. Who've been told they have to come back to work at least several days a week. At least half of them are thinking of quitting, quitting their job at apple rather than come back to the office.

Ant Pruitt (01:09:58):
That's nothing wrong with that. They

Jeff Jarvis (01:10:00):
Get job.

Ant Pruitt (01:10:00):
If they, if they can get another gig somewhere,

Leo Laporte (01:10:02):
They probably can. Right.

Ant Pruitt (01:10:04):
You know, Hey, they,

Leo Laporte (01:10:07):
I think they're hoping that if best

Ant Pruitt (01:10:08):
Value

Leo Laporte (01:10:09):
For themselves, if they say that that maybe apple will rethink it, they should apple like many companies says no, no, we, we gotta all be together for the collaborative aspect. No,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:17):
No. They actually have legitimate because they develop hardware. And because they've got such a culture of secrecy, they kind of do have a legitimate argument for putting people in place. That's

Leo Laporte (01:10:27):
True.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:28):
That's in an office, but

Jeff Jarvis (01:10:29):
There was a really good BBC comedy show that, you know, people who have been spar the last two years, staring at a screen and their home are now ordered to come back to a larger building, to scare at a screen. Exactly.

Leo Laporte (01:10:40):
And to spend hours of their day driving to and from, and many, many dollars on gas. Yep. I understand why Airbnb just said, you know what? You don't ever have to come back. It's a good policy. I think this is smart. Get me

Ant Pruitt (01:10:58):
Where the country wants you to be on site for certain task or duties or whatever. But the world has proven to us over the last two years that most of these onsite yeah, jobs were not required so much business was still able to get done from the comfort of your couch.

Leo Laporte (01:11:18):
Yeah. Or

Ant Pruitt (01:11:20):
Bed

Stacey Higginbotham (01:11:20):
Or wherever your home office working. Yeah. Well, and they're, they're redesigning, like there's been enough stories now about like home builders and talking about like how homes are shifting because people, more people are going to work from home. And I

Ant Pruitt (01:11:34):
Do think private rooms, right?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:11:36):
Yeah. Smaller private rooms. More flexible space. I mean our guest room is also my husband's office. So

Ant Pruitt (01:11:44):
Mm-Hmm, <affirmative>, You know, I, it, and I know I'm different from most people, but when I was working in a, in a day, day to day job in an office, I hated, hated being there because I couldn't get anything done because of all of my coworkers. Yeah. As bad as that sounds,

Leo Laporte (01:12:04):
They come over and they would say, Hey, what?

Ant Pruitt (01:12:06):
I never got any of my work done because people kept visiting all the time. And my superior at the time was, was like, wow, I got this email from you at, you know, 11 o'clock at night. Thanks. Why are you working? And I'm like, cause it's the only time I could get something done. And then that discussion later turned into why not? You just stay home. And I'm like, thank you. <Laugh> this works. And I worked from home for most of my professional career and it, and I loved it.

Jeff Jarvis (01:12:35):
So everybody has interesting twist on this too, so that you could work anywhere in the country. You want, you could go into an office or not, but you could also work up to 90 days a year in any of 170 countries. Nice. Very, very Airbnb, obviously. Right?

Ant Pruitt (01:12:52):
Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:12:52):
Yeah, I guess just places where you probably can't get arrested for working there like Russia, you can't go to, but, but 

Leo Laporte (01:13:00):
Why would you wanna, you go to Barbados. That's where I'd be right now if I were for Airbnb, but my boss won't let me leave the office. <Laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:11):
20 plus countries offer remote work visas and more are in the

Leo Laporte (01:13:15):
Works, which our biggest is one of them. We killer

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:17):
For Airbnb's business.

Leo Laporte (01:13:18):
One of the one of the, one of our sponsors I won't say who, but he was in Barbados for at least a year on a, a special visitor visa for COVID. Wow. Loved it. The Internet's very good there. They all speak English. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> it's it's beautiful. It's not in the hurricane zone.

Ant Pruitt (01:13:37):
Nice.

Leo Laporte (01:13:38):
Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (01:13:39):
If you can get the gear

Stacey Higginbotham (01:13:40):
Hurricane,

Ant Pruitt (01:13:42):
Well, again, the folks said apple, if you can find another gig, that's gonna give you the quality of life that you feel, you, you you've earned, then go for it. Tell apple to kick rocks. Yeah. You know? Yeah,

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:53):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:13:53):
Yeah. Phoenix warp says he annoys his coworkers by listening to TWI at the office. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:14:03):
Sorry, Phoenix warp <laugh>. I know who you work for too. Let's take a little break. We have lots more big announcement from T-Mobile. They had a big event today. We'll talk about that. Actually. I wanna ask Stacy a little bit about it, cuz it's kind of an IOT story, but first a word from red hat and their newest podcast. Compiler. We've talked about compiler before. It's a really cool idea. It comes to you from the makers of command line heroes. Another one of our sponsor and another podcast. I love listening to this new one. Compiler is hosted by Angela Andrews and Brent semio. And it's a brilliant idea. And I can just see them coming up with this. So red hatters, you know, red hat, which is one of the great Linux distros, it's a great company to work for. They do wonderful stuff.

Leo Laporte (01:14:54):
Red hat has an internal. As many companies do kind of in company forums where they have fascinating discussions. When you get a bunch of smart people talking about stuff, it's fascinating. And I think they said, you know, this should be a podcast cuz essentially each episode covers a big question in technology and then they ask different red hatters. What they think, what are tech hiring managers looking for or a good one. Do you have to know how to code to get started in open source? Or how much should managers be coding? Do you need to code? If you're a manager episode two, what can video games teach us about edge computing? The internet is of course a patchwork of international agreements and all kinds of infrastructure, but there's something coming to change. The way we connect in this episode of compiler hosts, explore what edge computing could mean for people who enjoy video games and what this form of entertainment could teach us about the technology.

Leo Laporte (01:15:50):
And actually I was really thrilled to listen to this because this is something I've been saying for a while is that this gaming at the edge is really just the predecessor to computing at the edge that I cannot imagine Microsoft at some point, won't just say, Hey, don't buy windows, don't buy, just run it on your cheap, low and slow hardware on your Chromebook or whatever we'll manage it. We'll run it out of our, so I can't wait to, you know, see what the red hatters think about this. Cuz of course you could do the same thing with Lennox. Episode nine, how are tech hubs changing is right up the alley. What we were just talking about used to be, you'd have to move to a tech hub, right? If you wanted to work in technology, but nowadays you could be in Barbados.

Leo Laporte (01:16:30):
So for this episode, the host of compilers speak to a few of the change. Makers were thinking outside of the physical and social dimensions, we've come to associate with innovation. So these are new episodes. I loved the first season new episodes of compiler. You can go to red hat's website, R E d.ht/twit. That's the short form, R E d.ht/twi. You can go and listen there, but of course you probably should just subscribe in your favorite podcast client anywhere you listen to podcasts, listen to compiler, apple podcasts, casts, Spotify Google podcasts everywhere. And we'll put a link just to make it easy on this episode's show page as well at TWI. Thank you compiler for making a great, I'm always interested to hear what other people are doing. You

Ant Pruitt (01:17:24):
Think managers should know how to code? I remember having this discussion

Leo Laporte (01:17:30):
I think they should have been coders at some point, but I, but the, the, and the thing they talk about in the episode is fascinating. Some managers, some managers say fine, I don't have to do this anymore, but some of 'em say get outta my way. And this is where you gotta watch out. Get outta my way. Let me write that. Right. Terrible idea. Don't do it. Yep. That was a fascinating conversation. And I think the idea of not having to be in San Francisco or Austin or, or New York city to participate in the tech revolution is a big, big idea. That's an episode of you

Ant Pruitt (01:17:59):
Mean I can be in Calhoun falls, South Carolina.

Leo Laporte (01:18:01):
You have to sit right here next to me. Don't you be going anywhere? Where would you go? Calhoun falls. Calhoun

Ant Pruitt (01:18:08):
Falls, South Carolina.

Leo Laporte (01:18:09):
It sounds like something from Rocky and Bullwinkle.

Ant Pruitt (01:18:11):
Oh, it is about as big as this TD booth.

Leo Laporte (01:18:14):
If you could be anywhere, that's where you would be Calhoun falls. No, no.

Ant Pruitt (01:18:17):
<Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:18:18):
No. Where would you be? If you could be anywhere right here. Okay. Thank you. Right? Good answer. Stacy, if you could be anywhere, would you be in, you know, on the island?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:18:31):
No. No. I would be in a, like a waffle house.

Leo Laporte (01:18:35):
<Laugh> it is good answer. And you know, they never close. They never close

Ant Pruitt (01:18:41):
Love waffle house. Yeah. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:18:43):
How come? The welcome to Calhoun falls sign is a gravestone. That seems kind <laugh> kind of counterproductive. Stayed. It's the gateway to lake Russell.

Ant Pruitt (01:18:56):
Oh man. He pulled up Calhoun falls on twig.

Leo Laporte (01:19:00):
Ah, did. Oh boy. <Laugh> have you been to the blue hole?

Ant Pruitt (01:19:04):
I have not.

Leo Laporte (01:19:06):
Richard B. Russell lake and damn overlook. <Laugh> <laugh>

Ant Pruitt (01:19:10):
Cattle falls is a town I have driven through.

Leo Laporte (01:19:14):
Okay.

Ant Pruitt (01:19:14):
In a matter of

Leo Laporte (01:19:14):
Seconds, there's only 1,800 people in Cal falls. That's tiny, tiny little town. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:18):
That's smaller than my town. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:19:21):
What are the restaurants there? I wanna look this up. I wanna, can we go to Google maps and see what, what apparently only three destinations. <Laugh> the blue. Is there a

Stacey Higginbotham (01:19:28):
Waffle house?

Leo Laporte (01:19:29):
You know what? I bet there is

Ant Pruitt (01:19:30):
A WAFF. Definitely not. No, definitely.

Leo Laporte (01:19:32):
We don't have waffle houses out here. Do you miss waffle houses?

Ant Pruitt (01:19:34):
Yes, I do.

Leo Laporte (01:19:35):
I have never been to a waffle house. All we have is IHOP and I don't think that's the same as a waffle house. No,

Ant Pruitt (01:19:41):
I went, when I went back for to visit my mom, was it last year or year before last I went to the waffle house. I took my uncle to the waffle house with me. Was that scene

Leo Laporte (01:19:50):
And what makes it so good?

Ant Pruitt (01:19:52):
It's just cuz they cooking LA

Leo Laporte (01:19:55):
Lord. Yeah. The secret is LA

Ant Pruitt (01:19:58):
They're cooking LA, but I remember sitting there and, and just having a good time talking with him and they brought the bill out and the bill was like $25.

Leo Laporte (01:20:07):
Oh nice. And I'm Mars cheap.

Ant Pruitt (01:20:08):
Oh man. I missed this stuff.

Leo Laporte (01:20:11):
<Laugh> so the nearest w I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:12):
Was gonna say that's that's a high end bill right there. How many people do you have?

Leo Laporte (01:20:16):
The nearest waffle house to me

Ant Pruitt (01:20:17):
Know how much

Leo Laporte (01:20:17):
Much I eat to us is Goodyear, Arizona.

Ant Pruitt (01:20:20):
It

Leo Laporte (01:20:20):
Was so we have to go to Arizona, Arizona. So there's is there a waffle house? There's not one in, in Seattle either. I'm sure.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:27):
Oh God, no, no, I don't. I don't.

Leo Laporte (01:20:29):
It's a Southern, it's more of a Southern thing.

Ant Pruitt (01:20:31):
They cook in LA and they give you the, the pecan pie. This I said, pecan. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:20:36):
I love pecan pie, baby. They put

Ant Pruitt (01:20:39):
A little butter on the top bowl

Leo Laporte (01:20:40):
Butter. Well, you, there's not enough fat on your pecan pie. You gotta little butter on it. Gosh,

Ant Pruitt (01:20:44):
That's the best egg I've

Leo Laporte (01:20:46):
Even wait a minute. You know,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:47):
Pie. Isn't fatty pecan pie is just

Leo Laporte (01:20:50):
Sugary

Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:51):
To sugar. Cook it and carro.

Leo Laporte (01:20:52):
Oh, that's that's right. It's all carro. That's right? Yeah. You heard the John Oliver waffle house choke. No. Oh, we're gonna see if we can find it. <Laugh> 

Ant Pruitt (01:21:01):
Oh, chicken, a 21. Yes. Apple butter. Yes. Apple butter.

Leo Laporte (01:21:05):
There is a something called the waffle house index. You know about that, right?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:21:09):
Oh yeah. Everybody knows

Leo Laporte (01:21:10):
About that because waffle house is never closed. Right? They're open 24 7. If a waffle house is closed, that means is a disaster. So there's three levels in the waffle house index green, where there's a full menu means a restaurant is power and damage is limited. Yellow limited menu means no power. Only power from a generator. Food supplies may be low red. The restaurant's closed indicates severe damage or severe flooding.

Ant Pruitt (01:21:37):
It's usually flooding. This

Leo Laporte (01:21:39):
Is, this is all this left of a waffle house in Biloxi, Mississippi after hurricane Katrina,

Ant Pruitt (01:21:45):
Biloxi. Oh, geez.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:21:46):
Yeah. Biloxi. That's where all my family's from really

Ant Pruitt (01:21:48):
Poker

Stacey Higginbotham (01:21:49):
Town. Every single member of my family.

Leo Laporte (01:21:51):
I'm sure they've rebuilt the waffle really. So sorry. So was that the hardest hit by Katrina?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:21:58):
Yeah. That's where Katrina made landfall. Oh, I know that. I know that Eric, like Louisiana had, you know, new Orleans had their issues, but Biloxi where it hit,

Leo Laporte (01:22:06):
The amazing thing is this waffle house was only yellow. It wasn't red. Right? They were still giving you some food.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:15):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:22:16):
Wow.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:17):
They, they, they they're right there in the, in the thick of things. It's from a hurricane.

Leo Laporte (01:22:21):
So I am, I am like, this show is taught me about Popeye's fried chicken. <Laugh> about, you never have Popeye's. I have, now

Ant Pruitt (01:22:30):
He is now.

Leo Laporte (01:22:31):
Thanks to convince me.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:33):
Do you bring him a, the chicken

Leo Laporte (01:22:35):
Bowls? No, the chicken Bowlus.

Ant Pruitt (01:22:36):
He wanted to get the chicken sandwich.

Leo Laporte (01:22:38):
You ever been to a Stuckey's?

Ant Pruitt (01:22:40):
I did not go to a Stuckey's. Okay. Did not go to Stuckey's. I've seen, so

Leo Laporte (01:22:44):
FEMA actually uses the waffle house index unofficially, but they do use it, which is wow. Wow. concede defeat says Jeff Jarvis. Oh, time to surrender. Wake up, Jeff, wake up, Jeff. Get that heart rate up to 70. Yeah. Geez. 65 65 says concede defeat to bad speech. What do you mean, Jeff?

Jeff Jarvis (01:23:11):
Just that it's always gonna be around. We're putting all this resource and all this effort into it. It's it's getting all the attention. It's it's thus doing the job of the bad guys. We're we're painting good speech on the internet with the rush, the tar of bad speech. We should be putting resources into finding good speech.

Leo Laporte (01:23:32):
I completely agree with you. Wow. I think you're right. I think we overreacting to disinformation. Think we bad speech. Check your blood. Look, don't get rid of it. Don't get rid of it. Still

Jeff Jarvis (01:23:44):
Worry about this information, but treat it like spam.

Leo Laporte (01:23:48):
Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:23:48):
It's just gonna be

Leo Laporte (01:23:48):
There. It's gonna be there. Ignore it. We're never gonna defeat spam. Exactly. It's a human condition.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:23:54):
I disagree in the sense that there's so many, if you have bad speech with an agenda. So you think about like the bot armies that China and Russia, and probably to be honest, we probably do it too. In other places mm-hmm <affirmative> I think that no amount of just ignoring that or ignoring that is kind of silly and naive and you know, we kind of ignored like things like QAN on. And those have unfortunately real world impacts because they still reach so many people. And so I, I agree that we should be promoting good speech, but I also think that's kind of what we're doing with some of the things like, remember the COVID 19 banners. I think they're still around for some sites. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so I, I'm not a, I agree with you, Jeff, but I'm also like, I don't think that's enough.

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:41):
Yeah. I'm not saying you get rid of the efforts that there there's so many efforts going on. They're not gonna go away. They're there, but now let us turn some resource and attention to promoting good speech, but also supporting it right as, as art. The story, I, I always love to tell about this and I'm telling my book coming out next year is that in 14, 70 decade and a half after Guttenberg there drink <laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:07):
Nickel OTI said to the Pope, you've gotta appoint in a C cuz, cuz this, this you've gotta approve the stuff of the press. It's all a mess. But he wasn't asking for a sensor. He was asking for quality control. He was asking for editors and publishers. He was asking for new institutions that didn't exist at the time to try to support and assure quality. When Harpers came out in 1850, they kind of did the same thing. They said, oh, there's so much stuff coming out now cuz of faster presses and we got tons of content, we're gonna create a whole magazine. That's gonna try to bring you the best of it. That's what I'm trying to suggest. Heres. And until we start trying to promote art and, and intelligence we're not gonna get any of it. So I'm just trying to urge investment there too. That's it?

Leo Laporte (01:25:51):
I think you're right. I do. I think this is kind of a, this it's a specific instance of a, kind of a larger case where we sometimes miss the forest for the trees. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> where we get so concerned with something else that distracts us from, I think that a lot of the respects, a lot of the complaints about the internet in general, this is I'm starting to turn into Jeff Jarvis <laugh> oh,

Jeff Jarvis (01:26:17):
Huh.

Leo Laporte (01:26:20):
Distract us from the benefits the world. Because we're so worried about trying to do something about the harms,

Jeff Jarvis (01:26:26):
Which we're not gonna ever Stacy's absolutely. Right. We can't, we can't completely ignore them. We can't take down. It's like it wouldn't be like saying Matt cots don't bother us spam anymore. No, no, no, ignore it. No, you still gotta do what we do.

Leo Laporte (01:26:38):
You point 'em out. Point it out. Yeah. You point it out. You say, yeah, that's, it's kind of like, and this seems discredited now that the old antidote to bad speech was more speech.

Jeff Jarvis (01:26:49):
Right. I don't think it's discredited at all and it's Brandice it, it, it, it was the best proponent of that. And in fact I was just, I was just editing that chapter or I mentioned three efforts to, to disagree with that and say, well, it's just proven. No, I don't think in the long run. That's true. I read John Ariel PICA, the famous defensive free speech that argues that in the long run, the truth will out in the short run. It won't, I, I, I, I quote a book from, from the 1970s where, where rabbi L Feld, the father of a famous New York journalist, New York times journalist said it in the short run truth. Won't win either, but in the long run, it will. And we've got to try to keep that in mind, not to, not to give up now, but to try to put our resources and our attention to what's good or else we're not, not gonna get it. That's all.

Leo Laporte (01:27:46):
Yeah. it has been used in some negative ways. Clarence Thomas cited brand Brandiss counter speech passage when he in Laurel ARD versus Riley, when he invalidated a number of restrictions on tobacco advertising. Thomas said, if you're right, if the state of Massachusetts concern is that tobacco advertising communicates a message with which it disagrees, it should seek to counteract that message with and then quoting Brandis more speech, not enforced silence. That's an example where <laugh>, I agree with Stacy, you know, the tobacco advertising, you, you could stop that. You could stop that. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>.

Jeff Jarvis (01:28:28):
So Tim woo asked whether the first amendment is obsolete. That scares

Leo Laporte (01:28:34):
Me. Oh

Jeff Jarvis (01:28:35):
Wow. Oh man. Phil Napoli, who's a, who's an academic. I respect a great deal. Wrote a paper saying what if more speech is no longer the solution? Just to this point my online friend, Ian begot who's brilliant is Washington university now wrote a piece in the Atlantic saying what do people shouldn't say is so much, and shouldn't say it to so many so often. And I get that. That's a point of advice. Like, do you really need to add a hot take though? I find it ironic. This comes in the Atlantic, which is nothing about a hot water flow of hot takes. But anyway yeah, we, we, we've got a meter of what we do as well online yet. Where are the patrons of the arts in this world? Right? Where do we gotta get more TikTok musicals to irritate? And that's what I want. No

Leo Laporte (01:29:18):
<Laugh> is it, is it binary like that? Is it like, no,

Jeff Jarvis (01:29:22):
No. You

Leo Laporte (01:29:23):
Have free speech or no, you have, it's not binary crap.

Jeff Jarvis (01:29:27):
No, not at all. Okay. It's just, it's just that we, we are, so Monomania right now about all the bad stuff that we're giving attention to the bad guys, which is what they want,

Ant Pruitt (01:29:36):
What they want playing

Jeff Jarvis (01:29:37):
In their hands. And we're, we're, we're harming the freedoms of the internet overall is my fear. You know that about me. But again, it's, it's about, it's kind of about investment. Where's the person who's gonna support. So the press comes out and there's a lot of junk in the world, but who's supporting Michelangelo.

Leo Laporte (01:29:50):
Right. You know, that's all, but Stacy, are you worried that that kind of doctrine is gonna encourage just more encouraged, just more hate speech

Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:01):
I'm I'm not worried about hate speech. I'm worried about weaponized misinformation. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. That's I mean, yeah. That's, that's what I'm worried about. I mean, I'm sad about hate speeches

Leo Laporte (01:30:12):
Person. Well, that's the thing, I mean, especially as a woman, I mean, you get, you are much more the target of this than any guy online. Yep. And as, as a black person, you're probably much more the target than any white person online. So I can understand how if, if you're the target of this stuff, you might say, well, there, you know, we gotta do something right. It's easy for me to say, oh yeah. And Jeff two old white guys to say, absolutely. Yeah. You know, go ahead, let let a thousand flowers of bloom. But and

Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:41):
I think I, I would say, and I don't know how aunt would respond, but like if I received a lot of hate speech on Twitter, which I, I don't, you

Leo Laporte (01:30:49):
Don't actually, which is weird.

Jeff Jarvis (01:30:52):
Don't encourage

Leo Laporte (01:30:53):
It. <Laugh> no, I'm not

Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:55):
I'm, I'm not, I'm not, I'm like, I'm okay with that. Nobody needs to, I'm not. Yeah. But if, if I received it, I would just leave Twitter and yeah. Presumably I mean, would I be sad, not sharing pictures of my dog with everybody. Sure. Would it have a noticeable impact on my business?

Leo Laporte (01:31:14):
It might

Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:15):
Probably not. No,

Leo Laporte (01:31:16):
Really it's a promotional. It has promotional

Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:18):
Value. It has promotional value, but I mean, worst case scenario, I could always, you know, have I have a buy count account if I wanted to do that or something. Yeah. I mean, but I would just basically, you know, I would basically tweet out only my stories and not engage with people. And that would be that,

Ant Pruitt (01:31:34):
But that's what a lot of the bigger companies are doing. Anyway, you look at somebody like Nike. Yeah. That's the first company comes to my mind. They have a Twitter account, Facebook account or whatever, and they post something, Hey, we stand with so and so, or, Hey, this is the new shoe. And then it's, they're, they're done. They're gone. They don't come back and do comments. They don't do anything like that. It's just sort of

Leo Laporte (01:31:56):
Just, well, and that was Elon Musk complained about the top 10 Twitter users like Taylor swift. She just promotes, she doesn't hang around.

Ant Pruitt (01:32:02):
Why should she she's just gonna get,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:04):
Why should she, yeah. She's yeah, she's done. She has no

Leo Laporte (01:32:07):
There's no, he

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:08):
Wants her to engage. Yeah. He needs to set up some different rules. Yeah. I mean, she's just

Jeff Jarvis (01:32:12):
The real Twitter

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:14):
That's and also

Jeff Jarvis (01:32:15):
That's a mass way to look at it is if you've gotta have 8 million people to be real. No.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:20):
And Taylor swift probably doesn't wanna engage on Twitter because why would you wanna talk to that many people? You would

Leo Laporte (01:32:26):
Never yeah. Breaking news.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:30):
We were gonna talk about T-Mobile. No, we're

Leo Laporte (01:32:32):
Not. Yes. I will get to that. But this is breaking news. T-Mobile's is also, but less important. Cameo just laid off. According to YCO records, writing a protocol, your friend, Yoko Yako. Who's great cover of cover of media. He was a variety. I'm glad to see he's kind of protocol protocols. Protocol. Yeah. They're doing a

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:49):
Great, he was one of the original protocol.

Leo Laporte (01:32:51):
Was he? Oh, he went back then.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:53):
No, he's he's been at protocol for

Leo Laporte (01:32:56):
Oh, he was? Yes. Cuz they're new. That's right? Yeah. Yeah. Relatively new cameo lays off, close to 90, including the CPO CTO and VP of marketing cameo. I, I don't know how you lose money on this. They are the company that charges. Yeah. That lets celebrities come there to charge, you know, 50 bucks, a hundred bucks, 500 bucks to do quick greetings. Yep. It was huge during the pandemic.

Jeff Jarvis (01:33:21):
Well that's probably your answer <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:33:24):
Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:33:25):
We get tired of things. It was, it was cute for a while. But then, then Rudy Giuliani shows up. There goes the neighborhood.

Leo Laporte (01:33:31):
Yeah. This is what they're saying. The Steven Galles, the CEO says we hired a lot of people quickly. <Laugh> and market conditions have rapidly changed since then. Accordingly we have right size to the business to best reflect the new realities.

Ant Pruitt (01:33:50):
That makes sense. People aren't spending money on stuff

Leo Laporte (01:33:53):
Like that on stupid stuff like that. <Laugh> you know, just,

Ant Pruitt (01:33:55):
It's not this money's tight

Leo Laporte (01:33:56):
Nowadays, but it's but you can get last minute delivery from mother's day. Get the perfect gift for mom <laugh> Oh, a mother's day gift. She'll never expect and never forget.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:10):
You know what your mom wants. Your mom wants you to call

Ant Pruitt (01:34:13):
Me your phone,

Leo Laporte (01:34:14):
Call you to spend,

Ant Pruitt (01:34:15):
Pull something off like that with

Leo Laporte (01:34:17):
Not someone famous.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:18):
I'm imagining my mom getting like a thing from whoever's on there. And she'd just be like the heck Stacy. I want you to talk to me.

Leo Laporte (01:34:27):
Wouldn't you like? Wouldn't your mom like the bachelor to say hi

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:31):
Mom, my mom doesn't know the bachelor is good Lord.

Leo Laporte (01:34:34):
That would be the, really the height of dumb to send her something like that. And she goes, why is this strange person? <Laugh>? Who is this saying hi to me? What's going on? Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:44):
My mom is a science fiction. Loving day trader she's.

Leo Laporte (01:34:47):
Oh, let let's see what we can find for mommy. Yeah. Let's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:49):
See if you got Neil Gaon to do it. She

Leo Laporte (01:34:51):
Be excited. Yeah. I don't think Neil needs to let's you Howard?

Jeff Jarvis (01:34:55):
Well, for charity, he

Leo Laporte (01:34:56):
Might. Yeah, he might.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:57):
Oh, hug Laurie. She, she would do. Is he only good

Leo Laporte (01:35:00):
Lord? No, I said Hugh Howie, but Hugh Laurie would,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:03):
I was like, Hugh Laurie should do it is kind of like his character house.

Leo Laporte (01:35:07):
If, if you're a Hollywood celebrity, it's kind of like appearing on the love boat. Right. It's kind of like a sign. Oh, it's below that kind. The love it's below summer theater. Yeah. Tuscaloosa,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:20):
Laurie Bergner

Leo Laporte (01:35:21):
Singer in the Laurie Bergner band. She's only $125. You want her? I can, I can arrange for her to say hi,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:28):
But my daughter loves actually her music was lovely. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:35:31):
Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:31):
She does kids' music. So you can do that for your kid's birthday that

Leo Laporte (01:35:35):
Oh yeah. See, that's cute. Yeah. You could see the problem here. Act part of the problem is also actors are going back to work. They are no longer sitting around the house. Wishing they were working. They actually can go do some movies and TV shows. And

Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:48):
Why don't you get on cameo and see how you do. I'd be so curious.

Leo Laporte (01:35:53):
What, what should I say is not what

Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:55):
You they'll tell you what to say? They tell

Leo Laporte (01:35:57):
You what you say you. Yeah, but don't you wanna have like your trademark thing that you say, Hey, Hey, Hey, <laugh> how about if I pay them? I'll pay you to take my video. How about that? Yeah. The only thing I'm famous for is saying, screw you to Mike Arrington. I could do that. Oh no. I saw that. Yeah. That was hilarious. <Laugh> apparently we have some stickers. You'd bring the stickers in. Could, would you go, go get, go get, would you go get me that sticker? Whatever happened to Mike Harrington, he

Stacey Higginbotham (01:36:35):
Move to like Washington state question and now he's in

Leo Laporte (01:36:37):
He's around somewhere. Yeah. He's like hiding out last time I saw him. He wouldn't shake my hand. Not cuz he doesn't like me, but because he was germophobe. So these stickers, this is gonna be my new cameo thing. I think do the sticker. The, we made stickers out of this uncle. Leo one is in there. Is it? Oh look at whoa, John, you got a lot of stickers. This is a ton of small, holy cow. John's been collecting stickers, but this is my favorite that's it says, remember kids, uncle Leo says, screw, you put that on your cameo. <Laugh> except that here's the problem. I just did that cameo for free <laugh> yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:22):
He lives in Miami.

Leo Laporte (01:37:24):
How his works here's in Miami what's is he writing?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:27):
He has a crypto fund.

Leo Laporte (01:37:28):
Oh, of course he does. Of course he does. If you can't do cameo do crypto, right. Clearly.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:35):
Yeah. He doesn't. I mean he's oof. This is not a flattering picture of him on tech ES site. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:37:42):
He was the founder for those who don't know, he was the founder of tech crunch, a lawyer and the tech crunch in the early days of.com was huge. Big. Yeah. That was how you found out who the next big thing was. I had, I had very

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:54):
Long conversations with him, trying to, he was trying to understand what, what do I do with this thing? It's it's taking off.

Leo Laporte (01:37:59):
Yeah. Yeah. It was a huge success. I think you,

Jeff Jarvis (01:38:02):
But why did you say screw you to him? What was

Ant Pruitt (01:38:04):
The, oh, I remember.

Leo Laporte (01:38:05):
Do you wanna watch a video?

Jeff Jarvis (01:38:07):
Sure.

Leo Laporte (01:38:10):
Let me see. I bet you, I could find it.

Ant Pruitt (01:38:12):
I mean he basically called you like a shell.

Leo Laporte (01:38:15):
Yeah. He called me a shell. We used to do I used to host the Gilmore gang. This was 13 years ago on on twit. So so that was Steve Gilmore and then Mike Harrington was on a bunch of other people were on it and I was doing a review of the new Palm

Ant Pruitt (01:38:39):
Palm pre

Leo Laporte (01:38:40):
Pre, which I really liked.

Ant Pruitt (01:38:41):
A lot of people liked it.

Leo Laporte (01:38:43):
Pre

Jeff Jarvis (01:38:44):
I don't you

Leo Laporte (01:38:45):
Are you happy with it? Love it. It's it's quite impressive. Well, you know, I, I thought that Kevin Marks hold on

Jeff Jarvis (01:38:51):
There. It was like it young Kevin Marks

Speaker 6 (01:38:53):
The pre like let's get the disclosures outta the way right

Leo Laporte (01:38:55):
Away. This is a one week review unit. I couldn't get one. And unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to get, I was gonna go out and get one this afternoon. But

Speaker 6 (01:39:01):
So you got a free pre you're. One of the very few people that got a pre

Leo Laporte (01:39:04):
Review. Not at all. I think they're quite a few reviewers. Yes Scoble has I'm I've Mike that's BS. And I'm really pissed off that you would imply in some way that this free quote free pre that I send back in seven days. But in any way, predispose me, screw you. What are you gonna do about it? Mike? You are such a troll. Screw you. Okay. It gets worse from there.

Ant Pruitt (01:39:21):
It does pause for a second. Look right there in the bottom right corner on the screen. I know that guy. That's Lauren, right?

Leo Laporte (01:39:29):
Oh yeah.

Ant Pruitt (01:39:30):
I'm just watching Lauren the whole time. He's

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:33):
Oh, Kevin left. He is the troll. He is the troll of trolls. He trolled me for years.

Leo Laporte (01:39:38):
He did he did puppet thing, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He's still around doing puppets. Yeah. I

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:43):
Don't want to know.

Ant Pruitt (01:39:44):
Lauren just sits there. I'm looking at looking at his expression while all of this is

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:48):
He. Well, look, he loves, loves his fights. He loved Kevin

Leo Laporte (01:39:50):
Just ran. Kevin just ran. I'm

Jeff Jarvis (01:39:53):
Not kidding. I would run too. I'm with Kevin. I'd be like, oh yeah, this is upsetting. I'm sorry I asked you. Okay, let's go. Let's go back to happy news.

Leo Laporte (01:40:02):
<Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (01:40:03):
I thought that was funny.

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:04):
Everybody thinks, oh, the internet used to be really nice. And people all go

Leo Laporte (01:40:08):
Along. That was 2009. That was 2009.

Ant Pruitt (01:40:11):
I thought that was 13 years ago. Cause you went off. Didn't know

Leo Laporte (01:40:14):
I lost it and I felt bad about it. In fact, I called Mike later and apologize and I apologize to Steve Gilmore, but I stopped doing no, you were right. Gilmore king <laugh> yeah. And king. Yeah. Well it was with that look. It had been a, it wasn't that incident. It was a series of incidents of him. He was, that was one of the things he really liked to do was needle needle people and insinuate without coming out and saying it. Yeah. And after several months of that, I fi that's when I finally blew, but there's no, I

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:46):
Actually liked spike.

Leo Laporte (01:40:47):
I did too. That's very

Jeff Jarvis (01:40:48):
Smart guy. He was doing two things smart, but he, but he just, he just, he had a Fang. He had to be difficult.

Ant Pruitt (01:40:53):
You wanna know something? He's blocked me on Twitter.

Leo Laporte (01:40:56):
Good for you.

Ant Pruitt (01:40:58):
I don't even know the cat. Why the heck

Leo Laporte (01:41:00):
Did he? I wonder if he blocked me <laugh> I I'm not gonna

Ant Pruitt (01:41:03):
Take the time. I remember he blocked me. I remember finding that he blocked me a couple years ago. I'm like, I don't even know this guy. Why, why am I blocked?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:41:09):
How do you find when someone blocks you

Ant Pruitt (01:41:11):
When you go to look them up and it shows

Leo Laporte (01:41:13):
<Laugh> it's yeah. If you look their name and I'll say you're blind, it'll say it. He's probably blocked. Anybody who has anything to do with me? I would imagine

Ant Pruitt (01:41:19):
Maybe that's it

Leo Laporte (01:41:21):
Amazon responding to the Supreme court potential Supreme court decision on Roe V. Wade says we will reimburse employee travel for

Stacey Higginbotham (01:41:31):
Abortions. That is such, here's why, if you wanna take a stand against abortions, if you really believe that this is a big problem for your company, you say, Hey, I'm not gonna have my operations in a state with just

Leo Laporte (01:41:49):
Move as go, move out,

Ant Pruitt (01:41:51):
Hit him. The

Jeff Jarvis (01:41:52):
In every state now is the problem.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:41:54):
They're not well, they are, but do it that way.

Leo Laporte (01:41:57):
They'd have to move out

Stacey Higginbotham (01:41:58):
And tell the people who live.

Jeff Jarvis (01:41:59):
There's what Stacey, that doesn't make this bad. That doesn't make. Should they do more? I agree, but that doesn't make this itself

Stacey Higginbotham (01:42:07):
Bad. This itself is bad because already

Jeff Jarvis (01:42:10):
Company's come out to say

Leo Laporte (01:42:11):
Anything. It's kinda like greenwashing yourself.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:42:12):
No Levi, Straus, Levi Levi's also has come out. But, and we'll see more. I mean, a, this isn't an actual opinion yet, but B saying, you'll look out for your employees. Half. The reason America is dealing with like issues associated with like healthcare and costs. Like many of our costs are associated with this is because we're reliant on our companies to pay for things. Yep. Like this. Yep. We don't have a social network that be Holdens people to these companies for all kinds of things that really the government probably should provide. I personally,

Jeff Jarvis (01:42:48):
I understood why companies don't aren't saying exactly what you said Stacy mm-hmm <affirmative> because why should they want to pay this? I've never understood why they weren't the ones fighting for single

Stacey Higginbotham (01:42:56):
Pay. It was a deal. So it was a deal way back. Oh, how did this start? There's a really good book. I'm not gonna make this up, but sorry. No,

Jeff Jarvis (01:43:06):
Go ahead. Make it up.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:43:07):
Go ahead. Now. Stacy does

Leo Laporte (01:43:09):
Stacy does. Stacy's a journalist.

Jeff Jarvis (01:43:12):
Oh

Leo Laporte (01:43:12):
Geez. He's not a hot taker

Stacey Higginbotham (01:43:15):
Basically. When they were coming up with Medicare Medicaid and all of the social security programs basically the government did this thing. They basically agreed with the big industries of the day that they would provide health insurance. And I can't remember reason why, but

Leo Laporte (01:43:32):
Well, it's shameful in a company like Walmart doesn't pay as employees sufficiently. So they have to be on food stamps and get government healthcare. That's basically Walmart leaching on the us government. You think mm-hmm <affirmative> I don't think the government expected that. Did they?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:43:49):
No. And I would also argue <laugh> that if you look at where the Republican party seems to be going both with how they're, I mean,

Leo Laporte (01:44:00):
Well, don't get us started on this. Sorry.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:03):
Sorry. The

Leo Laporte (01:44:04):
Cy looks where the Republican party is going is, is a conversation domed

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:09):
To <laugh> sorry. The cynic in me looks at some of the policies and says, Hey, many of the policies that we're enacting as a country really just create a more indentured population that requires them to have these low wage. That's absolutely

Leo Laporte (01:44:25):
That's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:25):
Right. Crapp jobs. That's right. And capitalism originally was built on slavery

Leo Laporte (01:44:29):
And those chickens are coming home to roost. I have to say. Yeah, between income inequality, ridiculously low minimum wages wage, slavery, effectively, lack of healthcare. Now this latest pending decision from the Supreme court, which is an assault on women where I can't believe that we're gonna go on like this. Something has to snap.

Jeff Jarvis (01:44:53):
Oh, we are.

Leo Laporte (01:44:55):
I don't think we are. People

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:57):
Are not snapping. People are going to their jobs and doing everything because, and that's, I mean, what are we doing right here right now? Leo, we are talking about technology. Yeah. We're not. I mean, honestly, I'm,

Leo Laporte (01:45:10):
If there were a general strike though, I was, I was thinking about this last night. If, if, if, if we're agreed, we're gonna do a general strike on Friday. I would go dark. We would go dark in this station. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Stacy,

Jeff Jarvis (01:45:22):
I put that story in there. Cause it's the only story I could find that was related to the abortion decision and tech.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:45:28):
Oh, oh, you didn't see, you didn't see the story about, you know, governments potentially looking to buy data, location data.

Leo Laporte (01:45:35):
Oh, isn't that? You know,

Jeff Jarvis (01:45:36):
I,

Leo Laporte (01:45:36):
I, where's a story positive

Jeff Jarvis (01:45:38):
Side.

Leo Laporte (01:45:38):
Right. But that's in fact I saw somebody saying, you know, if you're using a menstrual application to monitor your menstrual period, you should stop because that could be used against you if abortion becomes illegal, that data could be used against you. And then this story that in fact who is it selling this information?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:01):
Protocol?

Jeff Jarvis (01:46:01):
Well, Peter teal was supposedly involved in one of them.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:03):
I'm trying to find well, that's the CDC story. Safe graph

Leo Laporte (01:46:07):
Says Mr.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:08):
Rayer, safe graft that's who it's

Leo Laporte (01:46:10):
Safe graph is selling information about who visits Abortion, abortion clinics, both coming and going on sale by a data broker in including information from planned parenthood. And guess what? Hey gang, it's only $160. Oh my gosh. <Laugh> this is ridiculous. It's only, and this comes from your phone records, right? This is real.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:34):
And this is, this is one of those things, okay. This is not

Leo Laporte (01:46:38):
Actually, by the way, credit to vice who got this story they actually paid the data broker 160 bucks for that information.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:46:45):
Yeah. And vice actually did a story earlier about the CDC getting location data. Okay. On people following COVID C

Jeff Jarvis (01:46:53):
Anyway, which in the wrong hands.

Leo Laporte (01:46:55):
So here's terms of a couple hours ago. It says they have stopped selling. Oh, they got caught. So they stopped.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:00):
Yeah, they got caught.

Leo Laporte (01:47:01):
Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:01):
This is, we need new cat. So like there are rules in place for personally identifiable information PII, right. PII. And we need to include location data as PII because there's no way you can anonymize a person's location, data period. You know, where they go, you know, where they live, any location map can be attributed to an individual very easily. And that I, I know it sucks. You know, we love location data. The entire ad industry is like salivating, but we have to actually classify that as P E II. And we have to have really strict rules about who can access it and how

Leo Laporte (01:47:45):
For a long time I've been defending the invasions of privacy saying, well, where's the harms. I wanna see the harms. It's just selling ad tracking. It's just selling for ads. And I now see the harms and it's we add it is very clear how this could be misused

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:02):
If your state. So one of the, in the period tracking data is interesting because a, there's been several stories over the last couple years, about how much in, they haven't really gained like outrage and traction, but those apps take a lot of data and then they also sell it to a lot of people. So that's, that's a problem. But then if you are looking at some states are looking at like, Hey, could we maybe prevent abortion and like Sue people or at their stuff, or get, could we get,

Leo Laporte (01:48:33):
Let's get other people want,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:35):
Yeah. They want jurisdiction over people who are not in cuz you know, if you're murdering babies, the next state over, that's a

Leo Laporte (01:48:41):
Problem. Oh, I gotta get you.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:42):
Yeah. So they're saying, Hey, if you conceive in our state, then you're also under our jurisdiction and you can't get an abortion, which is an interesting idea. And the only way you could figure out if someone's conceiving in your state is combining that sort of now they're not doing that now. And if you were a lawyer, you know, but, but yeah, we have to be aware of how much data we're giving these companies and how it's, I mean, it's, it can be used by the states. They've already talked about using it in ways that are really creepy. And we can't wait for the courts to come in and say, this is bad because by that time someone's lives probably many people's lives have already been ruined.

Jeff Jarvis (01:49:25):
Well, Stacey, I think it's gonna be worse than that. If you look at the, at the Alito opinion, what he's basically killing is the made right to privacy mm-hmm <affirmative> so it kills a lot of things and it kills, I think the principle to stand on to do, which is what you just asked for the courts will start throwing that out. If we lose the right, cuz there's no right to privacy in the constitution. It was created out of the, for out of various parts. I wrote about a whole book about this. And if that, if, if the rug gets pulled up underneath that, it's not just this, it's obviously all the issues of, of, of who you choose to sleep with and who you choose to marry. But it's everything else too, it's it goes into privacy in the internet and says that any data can be grabbed up by government.

Leo Laporte (01:50:04):
Yeah. You have. I mean, honestly, the reason I was so Sanquin about data collections. I thought, well, the government would never do that. <Laugh> I'm naive clearly. Well was it naive to maybe not, maybe it was optimism, Uhhuh, but I really thought we lived in a better place where government wouldn't do that, but it's clear that some state government certainly will and 

Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:29):
Some people want that.

Leo Laporte (01:50:31):
I mean, they want that

Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:32):
The issue. Yeah. The issue is when the state has access to this information, they can punish you. Yeah. And I mean, hello, 1984.

Leo Laporte (01:50:40):
Yep. So 

Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:41):
Okay. I'm too incensed. We gotta,

Leo Laporte (01:50:43):
No, I am too. So what's your heart rate now? Yeah, really? Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:46):
Really?

Leo Laporte (01:50:47):
<Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (01:50:48):
Like checking

Leo Laporte (01:50:49):
T-Mobile here's some T-Mobile news and this is actually IOT. I think IOT interesting news. I Verizon and T-Mobile both offer residential internet using their 5g networks. Yeah. Which unless you are near I think a 5g tower with ultra wide band, the, you know, mid band mm-hmm <affirmative> the low band, I don't think is fast enough. That's just LTE or maybe you're luckily, and you've got the millimeter wave, but if you're near a fast enough 5g tower, these are pretty good deals. My daughter lives in Marin mm-hmm <affirmative> and I noted, I brought, I had a Verizon phone there and I said, wow, you're really you're right. You're getting ultra wideband and it's fast. So when it was time to get her internet for a new apartment, instead of getting Comcast at 60 bucks a month, I already have a Verizon account.

Leo Laporte (01:51:34):
I was able to get 25 bucks a month. Get these Verizon wireless, a Fintel sales. No. Yeah. It's it's it's not a femto cell cause it's not for your cell phone. It's a, it's a little wifi receiver that uses the 5g, but it's 380 megabits down and I've been doing tests all through the day. Why? Yeah. 19 megabits up for 25 bucks a month. Why not? Yeah. Now there's a couple of catches. One is it is not as maintainable or, or as there aren't as many settings. For instance, I don't I for to protect my privacy, I use a next DNS mm-hmm <affirmative> for my DNS provider and do a lot of blocking mm-hmm <affirmative> at the house. You can't change your DNS provider. Verizon clearly wants all that private. Oh, that's information. There's a good data in there. That's data and it's pretty clear. Verizon doesn't want you to modify the DNS settings. So it's a very limit. It's not a great but it's

Jeff Jarvis (01:52:30):
On your phone.

Leo Laporte (01:52:31):
No, no it's cuz you know she's on her. Yeah. Know what I'm saying? If

Jeff Jarvis (01:52:34):
You Verizon phone, could you modify it?

Leo Laporte (01:52:37):
Well, I don't know about the phone, but you could certainly, if you're using this thing on each computer that connects to it, you could use next DNS individually. Okay. So you can't modify it the router, but nevertheless, even if you do, Verizon knows it's you and they know what you're doing. So yeah. You know what? Verizon's got a lot of information from that. T-Mobile just announced. Now one of the things Verizon said is this is an introductory rate. We reserve the right to increase it. Okay. T-Mobile just said, that's

Ant Pruitt (01:53:04):
What they normally do.

Leo Laporte (01:53:05):
Right? We're gonna give you in home internet. They ask this today for $50 a month and we're never gonna change the price. Oh. And if you're already a customer $30 a month. Oh geez. So this is disruptive, I think. Oh now Stacy you're thet expert shots five. But I do feel like if you live in an area with 5g ultra wideband, or as T-Mobile calls it ultra capacity, this is a very good choice for that price.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:31):
Yeah. Sounds like a good, I don't know how it deals with IOT, but it does deal with broadband, which, well,

Leo Laporte (01:53:35):
These are IOT devices really? Right?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:38):
No they're routers <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:53:40):
Well, I call a router. I may, this may be a nomenclature issue, but I think anything that goes on the internet that is not a computer come on is an I IOT device, but okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:50):
Oh, you're one of those people.

Leo Laporte (01:53:52):
Oh man. That's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:55):
This is sorry. Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:53:57):
I mean,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:53:58):
If you, from a broadband perspective, yeah, this is good. Huge

Leo Laporte (01:54:01):
It's competition

Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:02):
Issue. It's competition. It's also, so for this, is, are they using 28 megahertz? Is, are they using the mid band for this?

Leo Laporte (01:54:12):
They must be because my daughter, like I said, 380 megabits down, 19 up rock, solid day and night. Even during commute hours. She's near highway 1 0 1 mm-hmm <affirmative> I imagine they have towers right there. So she's fair. Probably very proximate to a 5g UW tower. 

Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:30):
Yeah, sounds good. You should buy it

Leo Laporte (01:54:31):
Only and you should, that's what you should do. You should check T-Mobile or, and Verizon make sure you're getting that 5g. I'm not now T-Mobile's offering 15 day home trial and

Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:41):
I did, I, I thought that was actually pretty disruptive cuz it's not like you can normally test broadband. How

Leo Laporte (01:54:45):
Else would you know? Yeah, yeah,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:54:47):
Yeah. So now you can actually just very easily bring this in and be like, Hey, is this gonna work for me? Boom.

Leo Laporte (01:54:52):
They lock it in for life, for both home and business. The $30 a month is not, I note locked in, but it's for existing mag agenda, max T-Mobile customers, they will also give you $50 off any streaming device, including apple TV. So it's kind of an encourage that they give you 50% off YouTube TV for a D D year. So they're really, this is a arrow aimed at the heart of the cable companies. I, and they give you they'll they'll help help you cancel your oh, cause existing leave some fees up to $500 an early termination fee coverage. Yeah, that's right. This is like Comcast come and get us direct

Ant Pruitt (01:55:35):
TV did this year. Years ago too. Yeah, right. Yeah. When they came in that's right. They said, you know what? We'll

Leo Laporte (01:55:40):
Pay your termination just oh yeah. Good move. So I think this is pretty amazing. You should check to see if you're eligible. Verizon did not charge for the router or the equipment. There was zero cost for that. Same with T-Mobile go ahead.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:55:59):
I was gonna say, I was just look at the reviews for how it behaves like in rain and other kind of events. Yeah. If they're in the mid band, they should be fine. But that's just something to think about. Cuz as you get up into those higher spectrums, it, they attenuate faster. Yeah. So if they don't go through as many walls and bushes and trees,

Leo Laporte (01:56:18):
Well then Verizon does want you to put it near a window. Although oh yeah. I tested in a variety of positions in our apartment. It was cl it was worked fine. Worked the same. Almost everywhere. Let me just let me just do a, a, I've been doing speed tests on it. I can do remote speed test on. I've been doing speed test on it just to see if it's affected by time of day. Cause that was the other concern is that mm-hmm <affirmative>, you know, maybe who's on. Yeah. Maybe if you know the commute hour and everybody's on that tower, maybe that's not so good. Let me, so I'll just run a quick speed test while we're talking about my T-Mobile signal is not very good and my neighborhood. Yeah. And it's that you'd have to be somewhere and that's mostly urban areas where you're gonna get high speed. This, this motivates them to put in more. Well, they are rolling. Everything

Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:07):
Clean. Yeah. I was gonna say this isn't the same as your Mo I mean, am I, I don't know if they're using the same spectrum for their mobile five are mobile 5g. You

Leo Laporte (01:57:17):
Think they're not? Oh, that's interesting.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:19):
Yeah. I thought they were doing something

Leo Laporte (01:57:22):
Different. Huh?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:23):
Their mobile 5g is actually in the lower megahertz cuz they were using so the, but I don't, I don't remember. So,

Leo Laporte (01:57:30):
So here's the deal Verizon I don't know about, but I do know a lot about T-Mobile cause I'm a T-Mobile customer and my main phone, they rolled out the 700 megahertz 5g. Almost universally. Yeah. But that's at TV speeds

Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:44):
And no, no, no, no. Okay. Okay. But that spectrum is gonna be way better. It's more crowded and they have tinier channels. So they do, they are doing it at LTE speeds, but that's because their channels aren't wide

Leo Laporte (01:57:57):
Enough. Oh. So they could be faster down the road you think?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:58:01):
Probably not because they don't have like it's 700 megahertz. I think your channels are limited either 10 or 20 megahertz wide. Right. So, but for the in-home I, if they're using the mid band, then they're gonna be using 28 and those channels are freaking huge because no one's there. So then you could have a hundred megahertz channel and then that means you can pack as many bits as you can in each of those megahertz. Right. Right. So, so when you say LTE speeds, that's sort of true. But the underlying technology, like, I mean 5g is actually really LTE release, like 15 through 20. Right, right. So

Leo Laporte (01:58:41):
I have noted though, when I get the UW six 5g UW on my Verizon phone or the 5g you see on my T-Mobile phone, that's when I get those speeds. So I mean maybe someday they'll be on the low band as well, but I really think it's the mid band that they're using for both.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:05):
Well here we should be able to find that out.

Leo Laporte (01:59:08):
Yeah. Would you, cause I'm curious, it's a really, I mean, it's kind of very easy to set up it's you can see the signal strength of it. You know, on the, on the app you can, I mean, it's really kind of an amazing, it has ethernet ports. So I connected her iMac directly to it so she could get the highest speed possible. It's it's but the, the limitations are,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:30):
Oh, here it is. Go ahead. Their home internet is 1900 megahertz. It's oh, they're using okay. 1917, 700 2100 606. So and 2.5. So there's just the average. So they're actually, they're actually, most of it's low band.

Leo Laporte (01:59:51):
Interesting.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:59:52):
So interest it's all the same, so good for them. So, and I'm wondering how many channels, how many megahertz they have at the mid band?

Leo Laporte (02:00:03):
I, so again, three, I was getting pretty consistently about 380 megabits down in 19 up, which is honestly, so yeah, three 20 down. I just did the test. 19 three up latency's a little high 20 milliseconds latency. Ooh.

Ant Pruitt (02:00:18):
So you couldn't do the show from

Leo Laporte (02:00:19):
It? Well I don't know what the jitter is. I get worse. Twenty's not awful milliseconds. That's you know, that's one 50th of a second. Download again, three 20 upload 19 threes. Yeah. Anyway, I think this is actually, I'm thrilled to see it. I really feel like, you know, T-Mobile's heralding. It is internet freedom day <laugh>, but I really think it's a shot against the cable companies. People are starting to cut the cord and this, this gives them a way to do that. I think that's great.

Ant Pruitt (02:00:51):
I'm still gonna stick with the stupid cable

Leo Laporte (02:00:53):
Companies. Well, I have to too, cuz I don't have yeah I do too at home. I don't have anything like that.

Ant Pruitt (02:00:57):
Personally, I'm I'm spoiled by the speed, the download speeds and being able to watch these streaming services that I watch in very, very high quality is quite nice. So there's value in it for me.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:14):
BA BA

Ant Pruitt (02:01:17):
<Laugh> what's that? What was

Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:19):
That's that's just me singing.

Ant Pruitt (02:01:24):
It's good thing. You're good.

Leo Laporte (02:01:27):
Deep, bad day

Ant Pruitt (02:01:29):
That

Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:29):
Was receiving. I was sorry. That was, that was my excited. Like I got to nerd out. I feel, I feel like I offer the most value, but I'm like, oh, here's a deeply nerdy topic I can offer

Leo Laporte (02:01:40):
S that's why I brought it up. Change, change the subject. Thank you. Make you feel better

Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:44):
That in that, in pointing out that routers are Nott devices.

Leo Laporte (02:01:47):
I think they are with

Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:49):
This.

Leo Laporte (02:01:49):
Is that not an IOT device?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:01:52):
Okay. Look, if we define everything is not being a computer, then we have to say, well, what's a computer. I mean, my nest thermostat is actually like a server cause it's making, I mean, so basically when I think IOT devices, I think more modern.

Leo Laporte (02:02:08):
No, everything's a computer, but I'm saying no, no display, no keyboard, no mouse, no direct user interface. I guess that' service staff has a year user interface. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:18):
Yeah. I mean sure. If you wanna call it an IOT device, but I certainly don't write a letter.

Jeff Jarvis (02:02:24):
Go ahead. Be wrong. Go ahead. Be a fool. It's all right with me.

Leo Laporte (02:02:28):
Doesn't don't you know, I think my, my sense of it calling an IOT device comes from more about security.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:35):
Yeah. The security people do this all the time and it kind of drives me nuts because they're like OT devices are a huge problem in people

Leo Laporte (02:02:44):
It's really routers it's you know my,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:45):
Yeah. They're like my light bulbs and I'm like, it's not your light bulbs. It's your 20 year old network DVR your 15 year old printers. Yeah. And your 10 year old routers that are the issue. So I feel like,

Leo Laporte (02:02:57):
Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I am going to declare victory over Facebook. You can thank me later. Facebook has pulled the plug on their podcast business. <Laugh> Woo. After a year they will end the short form. Audio features shut the audio hub. No more

Jeff Jarvis (02:03:17):
Works for the pivot to audio.

Leo Laporte (02:03:18):
Yeah, they were. That was a big deal. Right? They were gonna do audio, right?

Jeff Jarvis (02:03:22):
That was, yeah. You make fun of Google for dropping things. Google at least waits a few years and forgets about it. Facebook drops it in no

Leo Laporte (02:03:27):
Time. Yeah. That was the big mark Zuckerberg thing among other things we're gonna pivot to audio. Anyway. I, I Spotify your next. We have out, we have outlasted Facebook. Oh no. That I don't think is gonna happen. I think Spotify's really moving in hard and fast. Let's do a quick change log and then we'll get your picks of the week.

Jeff Jarvis (02:03:49):
The Google change log,

Leo Laporte (02:03:55):
Google TV announces favorite channels for its life. <Laugh> don't sound so excited, sir. TV.

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:06):
So they already have something, but now you can kind of see what's live now at some difference. I don't use YouTube TV. So I

Leo Laporte (02:04:11):
Have no idea. I used it this morning. I pressed the button on the YouTube. No, this isn't YouTube TV. This is Google TV, Google TV. Right. I pressed the button on my Google TV remote and I played David Bowie and Freddie mercury under pressure. Okay. On YouTube music. And then I went to work. Excellent. That's a favorite channel now the perfect use for Google TV. Yeah. I think it's pressure under pressure. Goo. So that's why. Well

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:38):
Your heart rate up. That's the problem.

Leo Laporte (02:04:40):
<Laugh> yeah. I was dancing around the house.

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:41):
Tell yourself something

Leo Laporte (02:04:43):
Google play system and updates for may bring nearby, share to self <laugh>. I don't know what that means. Well,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:04:54):
That's what they were talking about. When we got on, they were talking about nearby share self sharing.

Leo Laporte (02:04:59):
I know what nearby share is. It's like Apple's airdrop.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:02):
Yeah. This is now you can share between your devices on your

Leo Laporte (02:05:06):
Oh, I see. So you would share to another device that you own. Okay. Right. Like me, why would I share this fo photo to myself? I'm here. Right? I don't

Jeff Jarvis (02:05:15):
Here's the funny thing I could swear. We talked about this last week and it's so lacking in

Leo Laporte (02:05:20):
Vulnerability. We did. We talked about Newby share coming. Yeah. Now it is here. Now it's here.

Jeff Jarvis (02:05:25):
It's a change loss

Leo Laporte (02:05:27):
And a redesign for Google help and a lot more. And yeah, if you watched all about Android, you'd know all about that. Yeah. Nearby share, lets you move files across all your Android devices. So that's very cool. There it is. All your Android devices, hassle free Google assistant and Chrome powered by duplex can. Now uhoh auto change, stolen passwords. Ooh. Okay. That is how does

Stacey Higginbotham (02:05:56):
It, how does it work?

Jeff Jarvis (02:05:58):
I hope it tells you what your password is.

Leo Laporte (02:06:00):
<Laugh> no, it'll remember it, but you have to use Chrome for the rest of your life. You just can't

Jeff Jarvis (02:06:04):
Be. You're gonna start responsible. I'm not gonna let you in this.

Leo Laporte (02:06:07):
So if a password you just logged in with, so I just logged into a site. It was found in a data breach, you know like have I been POed mm-hmm <affirmative> Google assistant and Chrome will offer to change your password automatically. It'll pop up and then you'll get a blue button. See it says it right here, change your password. Now Chrome found the password and data breach. Your assistant can change your password automatically. You press the button change automatically. And the process begins. It will navigate you to the change password page. And then the assistant will generate a suggested password. You'll have to do you'll have to interact a little bit. You'll to say yes, I want that. And you, and it will save it to your credentials manager in Chrome. At any point you could take over, if you say, I wanna do this myself. That's A's I think anything that encourages people to change your password it's bad. Password is a good thing and that's free. Yep. Comes with your Chrome

Jeff Jarvis (02:07:06):
Howard by duplex. I'm not sure how that

Leo Laporte (02:07:08):
Works. Yeah. Cuz duplex is the thing that calls and makes a reservation for you. Yeah. Yeah. I don't get that, but well I guess they're calling AI. It's like everything's IOT. They're calling every everything with AI. Everything's AI, all it's all AI. It's all duplex maze, pixel six and six pro update is out my major improvement only to haptic feedback. There's some minor little hahas just three fixes, total fixed for occasionally causing a display to wake without user interaction. Actually my Google nest hub does that every once a in the middle of the night, big, bright white light will come on. Really? Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (02:07:47):
Should it's not security camera.

Leo Laporte (02:07:48):
No, no, no. It's just like the, you know, that, that hub thing maybe. I don't know. Maybe it thinks I'm snoring and is trying to wake me up. I don't know. <Laugh> and there's a fix for an issue causing launcher crashes after restarting roll over. Roll me over in the Clover. Get ready. Google Chrome OS is gonna be rebranded to drop the space.

Jeff Jarvis (02:08:14):
What space <laugh> in between the what?

Leo Laporte (02:08:20):
There is no space.

Jeff Jarvis (02:08:22):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:08:24):
I don't know. Okay. The system officially is Chrome's space OS. Although it has often stylized lowercase C no space. That's all I ever see. But the official name is Chrome space OS I know. Oh, okay. Oh yeah. I know

Jeff Jarvis (02:08:40):
Who made a million dollars for that brilliant

Leo Laporte (02:08:42):
Move. We're going well, think of the money. Google saving by eliminating all those wasted spaces. True.

Jeff Jarvis (02:08:47):
Well, it used to be, you had to have lead spaces. Yep. Yep.

Leo Laporte (02:08:53):
So, yep. There's that's the kind of thing we talk about right here on the Google change log.

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:02):
Glad you asked for it. Riveting.

Leo Laporte (02:09:07):
Let's take a break. And then the picks of, if

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:10):
I mentioned one thing before

Leo Laporte (02:09:11):
You wanna do ATIC TikTok last, go ahead. You can do a TikTok. No,

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:14):
No, no. Well you could do that. I just wanna mention last week we talked, you talked about the Theranos swag,

Leo Laporte (02:09:20):
Swag. Did she get something?

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:21):
And there's a, there's a story in here on 1 46 about It's Bloodlust

Leo Laporte (02:09:27):
Blood lust, Theranos merchandise on eBay. According to the guardian sparks, blood lust among Elizabeth Holmes fans. Well or people who collect memorabilia from failed companies like our friend, Christina Warren. I wouldn't assume that she's an Elizabeth Holmes fan.

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:44):
No

Leo Laporte (02:09:45):
Five pins. Are

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:46):
These

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:47):
People who are excited because of the show?

Leo Laporte (02:09:50):
No, I don't think we could take full like the dropout. Oh, maybe <laugh> I thought you meant a TWI.

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:56):
The, our show. You egotist you.

Leo Laporte (02:09:59):
I don't, I don't think we should take credit for

Jeff Jarvis (02:10:02):
This. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (02:10:05):
Right. So they're probably more Amanda safe Reed fans or fans at the Hulu show.

Leo Laporte (02:10:10):
No, they're $150 for three Theranos pens. I think it's no, I think it's more

Jeff Jarvis (02:10:18):
Failed company.

Leo Laporte (02:10:19):
Yeah. I think it's Christina Warren stuff. I think the guardian got it wrong. I don't think this is Elizabeth Holmes fans.

Jeff Jarvis (02:10:24):
No, no.

Leo Laporte (02:10:25):
This is people who like Christina want a theos pop socket to put in their collection. Right. We talked about this last week. A great story about Christina Warren on NPR, NPR doing all that. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (02:10:38):
All right. I just wanna

Leo Laporte (02:10:38):
Mention that. No, that's a good one. I guess there's a few we should throw in rate. My Skype room has a book coming. His name is Claude Taylor. I didn't, I you knew that that's his name? Yeah. That's reason. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. How to zoom your room? Talk about cashing in. Yeah. Is this a, how, how long is the book? Is it 10 pages? <Laugh> you could write this book. I mean, you should have written this book. Yeah, but you don't have that room. Raider brand. No.

Jeff Jarvis (02:11:06):
Well they have Connie Schultz. They,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:13):
Oh, the former

Jeff Jarvis (02:11:14):
Reporter caricature of her

Leo Laporte (02:11:15):
Room. Oh

Jeff Jarvis (02:11:17):
For I. So I'm jealous as heck. I mean, yes. I got a

Leo Laporte (02:11:19):
10. You got a 10. I should have a caricature of your room. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:24):
Is it a caricature? Is it like a diorama? It's it's a, I don't understand.

Jeff Jarvis (02:11:28):
It's a, it's an illustration.

Leo Laporte (02:11:30):
I mean good love. We're gonna have to get that book. All right. There are other

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:36):
Short now. Oh, wait for Twitter. Yeah. Elon. So a lot of people like rate my dogs, etcetera. All the merchandise you get from having a successful Twitter account. Yes. Rate my room. Yes. Maybe he should take a cut of that.

Leo Laporte (02:11:49):
Oh, like a percentage?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:52):
Yeah. Like a platform B

Leo Laporte (02:11:56):
You owe me big time, buddy.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:12:01):
All right. That's that's my free idea of the day. Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:12:03):
It's worth

Stacey Higginbotham (02:12:03):
Exactly what you pay for it.

Leo Laporte (02:12:06):
<Laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (02:12:07):
Leo was your video ready yet? <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:12:11):
Google. I was gonna show a behind the scenes video. I shot of my son. It's so funny. Cuz every time I launch it says your video will be ready soon. It shows just one frame watch. Oh, I didn't do it this time. It shows one frame. And then it says, well, no, your video's still not ready. Wow.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:12:35):
You should probably stop that. And re-upload it. My friend.

Leo Laporte (02:12:38):
It's fine. On apple photos. It was there a couple days. I was showing how salt Hank shoots his chicken par with the vodka Cappen sauce with his cannon, a

Jeff Jarvis (02:12:50):
Salt Hank. Is that his

Leo Laporte (02:12:51):
Apartment? It's posted on my net. Instagram. I could put it on my, I could go on my Instagram. Yeah, no. So he, he, this is great. He just moved his apartment. Cuz he didn't like the kitchen in his apartment. Wasn't photogenic lot. It wasn't. Well, it wasn't photogenic.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:13:07):
I mean that's his job, man. That makes sense. He

Leo Laporte (02:13:09):
Needs yeah. He needs to shoot it. So here is the here is the video. Oh I should turn the sound. This is this is, I got okay. Wait, wait for it. Wait for it. When it plops into the cuisine art. Oh son of a, we need to work on your Instagram. She, how does social media work here? I posted the behind the scenes. This is of him making the the thing where the, this

Speaker 7 (02:13:40):
Has salt. Hank sets up a shot. Alrighty. The key is now you're using the cannon R six N R six. Exactly. For video. Yep. And, and a weirdly named Mike the KAA coma, but gets the job done.

Leo Laporte (02:13:53):
It's good enough. It's not KAA. It's comic comic

Speaker 7 (02:13:56):
Really important. Huh? Most important. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:13:59):
Is he getting proposals from the show?

Leo Laporte (02:14:01):
He's writing a book proposal right now. I meant like wedding. Oh yeah. Tomatoes like to get married, like to marry him chicken sandwich. Oh yeah. He gets a lot of attention.

Speaker 7 (02:14:13):
Butter, garlic

Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:15):
Attention.

Leo Laporte (02:14:16):
<Laugh> from me. I'm trying to say it without, it

Speaker 7 (02:14:19):
Always has to have a little bit of salt.

Leo Laporte (02:14:22):
Hang

Speaker 8 (02:14:22):
At a plug. The plug

Speaker 7 (02:14:26):
Ohian peso salt baby. <Laugh> it's all. Hang.Com. Hang com. And of course he's wearing his cuts. Oh

Leo Laporte (02:14:32):
Yeah. This is another advertising cuts. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:14:36):
<Laugh> tough. All right. I'm gonna, I'm gonna stand back and let all right.

Leo Laporte (02:14:40):
You, this whole thing set up for one second. The plop of the sauce into the CUAs art. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:14:48):
What happens if he messes it up? He has to take it all out and wash

Leo Laporte (02:14:50):
The que art. Start over. <Laugh> it's all about the plop baby.

Speaker 7 (02:15:00):
Hey, this

Leo Laporte (02:15:00):
Is about sauce. Anyway, that wasn't about, I respect. That's fun. I totally respect that. He he loves what he's doing. That's the, that's all I care about. He's he's become well.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:15:11):
You, you might care that he can also afford a place to live. That's not your

Leo Laporte (02:15:15):
Basement. Well, I, like I said, he's moved into a, he doesn't live in the basement. <Laugh> he's moved into well,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:15:20):
No, I know. That's what I'm saying. Although

Leo Laporte (02:15:21):
I'll be honest. That kitchen is his mom's it's not. And he's been shooting there a lot because so he is got 2 million followers. Now this is the video that he was making 1.2 million views on this video. This is and wait, wait for the plop. Cuz it's really good. You're gonna hear it. Sound is his thing now.

Speaker 8 (02:15:41):
Yeah. It makes a difference.

Leo Laporte (02:15:46):
Hear that? Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:15:47):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:15:51):
He's got lot.

Speaker 8 (02:15:54):
I love his edits.

Leo Laporte (02:15:58):
You know what I realize he doesn't crossed the line. He's actually, I don't know if he knows this or not. What do you mean? I was when I did the thing I'm walking around him. Right. I didn't do any cut. So it wasn't a problem. But his angle on the whole thing is the same. Yeah. He's always coming in from the left always. And I realize if he can, if he switches the way at one at all, he'd be crossing the line and make people uncomfortable Oriented. I don't think he knows that rule. Maybe he does. He studied it in college. It probably does, but

Ant Pruitt (02:16:29):
That's freaking beautiful.

Leo Laporte (02:16:30):
I probably shouldn't assume this is all instinctual. He's he's obviously knows what he is doing.

Ant Pruitt (02:16:35):
I love it. I just don't like what TikTok is doing with him, for me as a follower.

Leo Laporte (02:16:42):
I never see his videos. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (02:16:44):
Get

Leo Laporte (02:16:45):
Weeks. What do I have to

Ant Pruitt (02:16:46):
Do? They're weeks old. When it, when I get the, the alerts

Leo Laporte (02:16:50):
From him. Yeah. That's how they do it. Yeah. I'm like that's

Ant Pruitt (02:16:52):
I follow, follow him actively. I know.

Leo Laporte (02:16:54):
Why are you? Well, what you have to do is what I always do, which is go to his name, search for him and, and watch the videos. That's how I always do it. Yeah. His biggest video, I think 30 million, 30 million views. Geez. But he tells me it's not the views. It's the likes.

Ant Pruitt (02:17:11):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:17:12):
It's not the views. You got 34 and a half million likes.

Ant Pruitt (02:17:14):
That's

Leo Laporte (02:17:15):
Awesome. That's a good

Ant Pruitt (02:17:15):
Number of likes. Mr. Jarvis. Did you see that? I actually did a TikTok. No.

Leo Laporte (02:17:20):
Wow. Fucking

Ant Pruitt (02:17:21):
Show. I I, well, I, I shared it with you on Twitter.

Leo Laporte (02:17:24):
What's your handle on TikTok?

Ant Pruitt (02:17:26):
Yeah. It's probably still ant underscore

Leo Laporte (02:17:28):
Pruitt. It's it is everywhere. Isn't it?

Ant Pruitt (02:17:29):
That's what I tried. Anyway.

Leo Laporte (02:17:32):
Maybe let's see. There's a chase Pruitt.

Ant Pruitt (02:17:35):
That would be no <laugh> or just ant Pruit. One word. Maybe

Leo Laporte (02:17:39):
You don't even know your handle, do you?

Ant Pruitt (02:17:42):
No. Kind of no. I mean there's how many ant Pruitts are out there?

Leo Laporte (02:17:46):
Apparently none. <Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (02:17:47):
<Laugh> that's sortable. I just did this thing and I thought about Mr. Jarvis when I did it and I was

Leo Laporte (02:17:54):
Like, there's a Hannah Pruitt.

Ant Pruitt (02:17:55):
Yeah. It is ant underscore Pruitt.

Leo Laporte (02:17:57):
It is well, see another thing to screwing up. Oh, I have to view all results. There you are. So it wasn't that wasn't the first one. It was showing me. Wow. Is this the new one? This first one here?

Ant Pruitt (02:18:09):
Yeah, that

Leo Laporte (02:18:10):
One of the,

Ant Pruitt (02:18:12):
Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:18:13):
Oh yeah. Yeah. You're doing a, a video of our sponsor blue lands container, which you're making it look better than they make it. Look, you probably should sell this to them. <Laugh> you're li you're lighting it from within and all that stuff and it's

Ant Pruitt (02:18:26):
Pretty cool. Well, you were like, you need to do a hands on photography for product shots. So I was rehearsing. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:18:32):
That's

Ant Pruitt (02:18:32):
Cool.

Leo Laporte (02:18:33):
Let, how did you get the green light? Is that behind it?

Ant Pruitt (02:18:35):
That's actually part of my pick of the week.

Leo Laporte (02:18:37):
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Stacey Higginbotham (02:23:04):
She's got a

Leo Laporte (02:23:04):
Waffle. Oh good. Who?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:23:07):
Someone, someone on the chat caught me during, during my little waffle interlude

Leo Laporte (02:23:11):
Waffle express <laugh> land shark got a waffle for you. So Stacy's pick of the week. This week. Your thing,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:23:23):
This is actually a thing it's it's from our site. So it's Stacey IOT. Kevin did a review of the what's it called? Thele he, he always calls it schlog so I've always

Leo Laporte (02:23:34):
Had to like, like how do you say I've always wondered. Sole is the lock maker SLE. Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:23:40):
Yeah. It's slag. It's just Kevin

Leo Laporte (02:23:44):
Bela, this encode plus smart Wey lock.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:23:50):
So I have the encode plus wifi lock, but this is one with home key and I'm not a home kit person,

Leo Laporte (02:23:56):
But home key, lets you open the door with your iPhone.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:24:00):
Yes. Or your apple watch

Leo Laporte (02:24:01):
Or your watch. Oh I gotta do this.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:24:04):
So yes is so this is why we're so I didn't try it because I'm not an apple user. So Kevin did for us and he loves it. He loves it and his family loves it. His family are a hard sell. Think

Leo Laporte (02:24:16):
It's safer cuz it's it's NFC, right? It's not Bluetooth. You actually have, it

Stacey Higginbotham (02:24:20):
Is NFC. Yeah. It's apple. They have, they have a Bluetooth radio in there too, but

Leo Laporte (02:24:23):
I would turn that off. Use NFC off. I, I get really nervous about the Bluetooth, but if it's NFC, that means I have to touch it. Like apple pay. That's very secure.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:24:31):
So yeah. So this, this particular lock is 2 99 99. Thele encode wifi lock is 2 49 99. So if you don't need home kit, you're the home key functionality then you know, you don't have to do that. But these are good locks. I, I mean, mine is done well, I've granted mine's on my front door and we don't use the remote unlock feature all that. Often we mostly unlock it with the keypad, which still the power draws, moving the motor to move the deadbolt. But the locks or the batteries lasted for like, I think almost a year, like 10 or 11 months.

Leo Laporte (02:25:08):
Oh. So it, which is

Stacey Higginbotham (02:25:09):
Pretty good.

Leo Laporte (02:25:10):
Even though it's on wifi, pulling the Dr. Pulling the dead bolt back. Wow. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:25:14):
Okay. So this is a good lock. It works. It has a keypad for everybody who wants a keypad and this particular one has home key. And there you go. Yeah. I don't know if you can buy it just yet, but you should be able to buy it soon. And then a reminder.

Leo Laporte (02:25:28):
Yes.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:25:29):
Sunday is mothers day yell.

Leo Laporte (02:25:32):
And you say that as a mother?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:25:35):
No, I just, you know, I feel like

Leo Laporte (02:25:37):
<Laugh> just,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:25:39):
No, I just, I, I, you know, I always, you never wanna forget your mom.

Leo Laporte (02:25:44):
No. You know, I, I told you, I gave her a June oven for mother's day. She said, oh Leo, you shouldn't gimme a June oven. You already gave me. I forgot what it was. Something stupid. That's what she said. No that's yeah. Something stupid, something dumb. I forgot what I gave her. I said, no, mom, you need a real mother's day present. That was weeks ago. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:06):
Oh, here's an update. I think it's good that we were called out, says AR Hoffman, the CEO of location, data provider, safe graph. He told this to protocol

Leo Laporte (02:26:17):
And I think it's good that we got caught selling wills.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:21):
He he's basically saying we were not aware of this. And

Leo Laporte (02:26:23):
I'm like, oh, they didn't know. Okay. Oh, that that's interesting.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:30):
Yeah. So there you go. Sorry. Little update there.

Leo Laporte (02:26:34):
They didn't know. Ooh. Well thank you for keeping, keeping us up to date on that. And thank you. Sunday is not mother's day in the UK. It says John a oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:46):
Okay. See, I'm totally not listening to you. I'm reading this article. And he said, okay, already researchers are complaining that we took this data down because they actually wanna see if these laws dampen family planning, visits, twist. I would argue, that's why we need to have good regulations around this data in how you access it. Who gets to access it in what they can do with it.

Leo Laporte (02:27:10):
I agree. Okay. I agree. Sorry.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:12):
I agree. Just one update. Yep.

Leo Laporte (02:27:14):
Thank you. And by the way, Sunday is not mother's day in the UK. <Laugh> sorry. Sorry. If you build

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:21):
In the UK, this is us centric.

Leo Laporte (02:27:22):
We already had it in March 19th. <Laugh> but thank you to all the mothers in the us of a, and now it's time for a number from Mr. Jeff Jarvis.

Jeff Jarvis (02:27:34):
Well, I I'll give you a little short one for so after last week's show our new friend, your new friend, my longest standing friend Glenn Fleshman tweeted this online 1 62. Someone is selling a picture of me on eBay.

Leo Laporte (02:27:50):
<Laugh> what? So for $20

Jeff Jarvis (02:27:53):
Or 20 $20, my brother wouldn't buy it. $20.

Leo Laporte (02:27:58):
20 bucks.

Jeff Jarvis (02:27:59):
Pretty

Leo Laporte (02:27:59):
Much. Where did they get it?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:01):
<Laugh> where did they get it? Photo?

Jeff Jarvis (02:28:04):
I wasn't happy obviously.

Leo Laporte (02:28:05):
Oh, damn. They ruined it. But the ball point pen by circling your name. Yeah, man.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:28:11):
Why did they keep it? I love that. It's a historical image too.

Jeff Jarvis (02:28:14):
I know. I know.

Leo Laporte (02:28:15):
Do you think if I buy it, it will have that water mark on it. Cuz that's ugly. Notice this is best offer no offer. Offer. Look don't

Jeff Jarvis (02:28:24):
Don't do this to me.

Leo Laporte (02:28:26):
Oh, look bought it. It's from historic images.com. Oh, let's make an offer. Best what sure is. No, let me don't don't show my log suitable

Jeff Jarvis (02:28:37):
For framing,

Leo Laporte (02:28:40):
Man. That is oh man. I'm sorry. I wasn't logging Py eBay ahead of time.

Ant Pruitt (02:28:46):
It is 4 99.

Leo Laporte (02:28:48):
Well that's fine.

Ant Pruitt (02:28:50):
So

Leo Laporte (02:28:50):
2 cents, what should I offer? Make an offer. Can you offer $0? Hey, catch you a PIP. $2. Maybe,

Jeff Jarvis (02:28:59):
Maybe to

Leo Laporte (02:29:00):
Take it. Similar items sold for 12 to $16. Oh

Jeff Jarvis (02:29:03):
Jeff Jarvis. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:29:06):
Oh, you're going all the way up to 10 betting against yourself, man. I'm gonna start at 10. Will you autograph it? If I buy it? Oh

Jeff Jarvis (02:29:15):
Yes. Oh yes.

Leo Laporte (02:29:15):
This is suspenseful. Give the seller a day to review your offer. If it's accepted. Oh, it's coming to to four days. Make your payments. You'll

Ant Pruitt (02:29:23):
Get a notification right

Leo Laporte (02:29:24):
Now. I didn't do buy it now.

Ant Pruitt (02:29:26):
No, no, no. Some the notifications coming back from the seller. Oh, somebody made an offer. Let me please dump this.

Leo Laporte (02:29:32):
<Laugh> oh, I see. So it's like fine. Now it's not an auction. If I make an offer, then he has to say, Hmm.

Jeff Jarvis (02:29:40):
Yeah. Yes or no. I wish gonna jump on it. You're gonna be stuck on this photo

Leo Laporte (02:29:43):
Down.

Jeff Jarvis (02:29:44):
Just like

Leo Laporte (02:29:45):
J I am framing it on and hanging. Stick it on your desk right here. Oh, I'm gonna put it right on the desk. I am so excited that wasn't my number. Okay. That wasn't my number.

Jeff Jarvis (02:29:58):
So you know how, if you go, I'm gonna guide you through this. If I'm mainly wait

Leo Laporte (02:30:02):
A minute, if you go, we found another picture of you on eBay. Oh

Ant Pruitt (02:30:05):
Man.

Leo Laporte (02:30:06):
And this is you with some other guy that's that

Jeff Jarvis (02:30:09):
Was the publisher. But that was my nemesis. The publisher of oh

Leo Laporte (02:30:12):
My goodness. What is this? The same seller.

Ant Pruitt (02:30:17):
Oh, the other guy brought the value down. Apparently

Leo Laporte (02:30:20):
It's only 13. Why are you with Billy crystal though? I don't understand. What, what are you doing with Billy crystal? That's hysterical. Somebody got a whole trove of Jeff Jarvis pictures. He's the same guy. I've

Jeff Jarvis (02:30:36):
Got a box of stuff over there. I got a box of them over there. I should. I should I?

Leo Laporte (02:30:40):
No, it's a different, it's a different seller. Oh, Jarvis. It's a different seller. This one came from historic images. Oh three. And that one's from our fleet junior. <Laugh> better of the, the ENMA. That's great.

Jeff Jarvis (02:30:53):
That one has a nice kind of smirk on it. I think though.

Leo Laporte (02:30:56):
Oh, I know. I'm kind of sad. I bought the wrong one. <Laugh> it's too late. Maybe I just buy both of them. I don't want Clingman in mine or Klingle Smith or <laugh>. I could just, I could put my face on cling Smith's face. Oh, well, make it awful. Make it so make it awful. Suffer. Wait a minute. Now he's only asking 1399. So I should do 10, 10, 10. Save some money. Okay. Send that along. This is suspenseful. I might have two Jeff Jarvis pictures. Your email. I'm very concerned about

Jeff Jarvis (02:31:36):
Y'all.

Leo Laporte (02:31:36):
There might be more. If you are selling a Jeff jars picture on eBay, you oughta we manage your buyers. <Laugh> wow. What's the number Mr. J. Well,

Jeff Jarvis (02:31:50):
Well, sorry. I gotta get my eyesight back laughing. So you know the long S this is about typographical moment, you know, the long S how he says Congress, if you go to line 1 67.

Leo Laporte (02:32:01):
Okay.

Jeff Jarvis (02:32:03):
And to refresh everybody's memory.

Leo Laporte (02:32:05):
Oh yeah. We were talking about the United States. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (02:32:07):
Like it says Congress, GRE

Leo Laporte (02:32:10):
Congress, every school kid is seen this it's

Jeff Jarvis (02:32:13):
Round desks.

Leo Laporte (02:32:14):
Congress. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (02:32:15):
Right. Yeah. And so this confuses the heck out of everybody who sees this, but for years and years and years, Ben Franklin was one of the ones who said, get rid of it. It's ridiculous.

Leo Laporte (02:32:22):
So well, does it represen a double S when is it used?

Jeff Jarvis (02:32:25):
No, it's not. No, it's just another S and I don't even know the pattern of why one goes in one place. One goes in the other place, but it's just another S it's a long ass or a short ass. Ugh. No difference. No difference. So now go to line 1 65. This is what you learn on Twitter. If you can,

Leo Laporte (02:32:44):
Yeah. You found it. Yeah. Technically we should be ING <laugh>.

Jeff Jarvis (02:32:49):
Yes. So actually says Susie dent to Dennis Duncan who wrote a wonderful book about the index, the history of the index, that it, that it actually is not sneezing. It's sneezing. Oh. That it was a long ass to confuse somebody. And it wasn't an F it was an S so the actual word is to SNE. And if you then go to the next line, Leo,

Leo Laporte (02:33:12):
Oh my God. This is like a scavenger hunt. Yes.

Jeff Jarvis (02:33:18):
Oh, it's true. So, so Dennis Duncan who wrote this wonderful book called index a history of yeah, which is wonderful. It's brand new one out. You probably enjoy it. It's about the history of the index. So this is Caxton, who was the major. It was the first printer in English. And so you'll see there. It says sneezing, sneezing. Oh. And try to pronounce God. Za

Leo Laporte (02:33:39):
ETH. Whenever it was ETH or ETH, he make it to faith. His faith in the sign of the, oh

Jeff Jarvis (02:33:50):
My. So for now on. And the reason, by the way, this is a little piece that explains why you should say God bless because it was the plague and you were trying to not get die with

Leo Laporte (02:33:57):
The plague. Oh, and

Jeff Jarvis (02:33:57):
It's now you no longer sneeze. You please sneeze.

Leo Laporte (02:34:01):
Ze.

Jeff Jarvis (02:34:03):
That's a show title, please.

Leo Laporte (02:34:07):
God bless you. Oh my gosh, please, please. Well, there you, it

Jeff Jarvis (02:34:15):
Sounds like it, right? Right. It

Leo Laporte (02:34:16):
Sounds brought more ESE.

Ant Pruitt (02:34:21):
Oh my gosh. Has miss Higgin bothered, left the building yet?

Leo Laporte (02:34:26):
<Laugh> she? She still aunt give us something. Am I zoning out? Yes. Yes. Weren't you fascinated by that on,

Ant Pruitt (02:34:34):
Hey, take a bow, Mr. Jarvis. That, that was next level

Leo Laporte (02:34:37):
There. If you were wondering how aunt got that beautiful sheen on the blue land bottle, <laugh>,

Ant Pruitt (02:34:45):
It's a very, very inexpensive light. I got off Amazon. I don't know how it's

Leo Laporte (02:34:49):
Called the it's like,

Ant Pruitt (02:34:51):
It's super duper cheap, but it's, it, it really works well. There's only 30 bucks and we have it in the show notes, L E D light. You can change the colors of it, change the color temperature. And if you're doing product photography, you can hide it in your seam to help separate your product. Oh, that's from the background.

Leo Laporte (02:35:10):
So you get different colors in your, oh,

Ant Pruitt (02:35:12):
And if you want to just use it for portraitures of people or video, whatever, you can use it as a hairlight or something like that, or it it's, it's super useful. And you can just charge it up with the USBC charger and, and,

Leo Laporte (02:35:24):
You know, what'd be fun to do with this is time exposures in the dark. You could write

Ant Pruitt (02:35:28):
Things, light

Leo Laporte (02:35:28):
Paint, light paint. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (02:35:30):
It's and again, it's only about it fits in the size of my hand. So I guess it's roughly five inches.

Leo Laporte (02:35:37):
<Laugh> so foot by foot. Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (02:35:41):
So it's roughly five inches, but nice little light. But that's, that's the first thing, but my main picks of the week is to tell everybody, to take care of themselves.

Ant Pruitt (02:35:52):
Pick number one, I went to have my physical, not too long ago. And the doctor was just like, wow,

Leo Laporte (02:35:59):
Blah, blah, blah. I've never seen such big hands in my voice. <Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (02:36:03):
And he's, he's like, well, what are, what are you doing? I said, I'm the most healthy, unhealthy person that you'll meet, but I take care of myself by taking supplements such as good old

Leo Laporte (02:36:13):
Fish oil, fish oil. Good for you.

Ant Pruitt (02:36:15):
So take fish oil. It's not expensive. It's really, really helpful for your heart. I also take garlic tablets. That's helping with cholesterol.

Leo Laporte (02:36:25):
And I actually notice I've purchased this fish oil six times. See,

Ant Pruitt (02:36:29):
Hey,

Leo Laporte (02:36:30):
So there you go. So take care. I'm with you on that people and you, and you eat garlic in a bottle.

Ant Pruitt (02:36:35):
Yeah. Cuz I don't like garlic, so I take the

Leo Laporte (02:36:37):
Tablets and it upsets some people's stomachs as well.

Ant Pruitt (02:36:40):
That's true. Yeah. So I just get you some fish oil, get you some garlic to help take care of your blood and cholesterol and your heart and all of that. Nice. And lastly, this is may

Leo Laporte (02:36:51):
I love it. This garlic is called Purtons pride. Purton pride. <Laugh> from pur. Oh, okay. The Purtons would've been so proud, right?

Ant Pruitt (02:37:01):
This is may and it is mental health awareness month. And so to shout out mental health awareness month, I wanted to mention a book with Ms. Jennifer Lewis. She's called the mother of black Hollywood. And you may have seen her on a couple different movies and TV shows, but she,

Leo Laporte (02:37:18):
Oh, she's a star of Blackish. Yes.

Ant Pruitt (02:37:20):
Yes. And she's, she's an hilarious woman, but she has had a, a really interesting history in Hollywood, but some of the way, the things that she dealt with being treated as a woman and then she battled mental health problems. And in this book she just comes straight out and tells you all of her struggles with mental health and says, Hey, if you need help, go get help. And if you need medication, go get the medication and take your medication. Stop with the stupid stigmas of people being on medications for their own mental health. Okay. So check her out. Ms. Jennifer Lewis, the mother of black Hollywood at memoir.

Leo Laporte (02:37:56):
And you want to hear her voice cuz it's

Ant Pruitt (02:37:58):
Good. Oh, it's funny.

Leo Laporte (02:37:59):
Listen.

Speaker 9 (02:38:04):
Pickable voices in Hollywood, but I'll be damned if now at the moment of truth, I could remember one line of the script I had studied.

Leo Laporte (02:38:13):
Oh, what a voice. I love her. Jennifer Lewis, some other black Hollywood. My pick of the week is this photo of Jeff jar. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (02:38:22):
Offer you own it yet.

Leo Laporte (02:38:23):
This is no honest. This is another one. This one comes from vintage press photos. And it has a red dot on the back. But I think it's kind of, no, it's not the same. Is it? You're now in a plaid suit.

Ant Pruitt (02:38:40):
Oh my, he

Stacey Higginbotham (02:38:41):
Still looks just as cranky check resting bitch face.

Leo Laporte (02:38:46):
But why are there so many, eight by tens of Jeff Jarvi bay? The world wants to know how long has it been there? Should I buy it too? No. I only two is more than I need. Who is more than needed? Yes. You think <laugh> third?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:39:03):
I actually think you should buy as many as you can find

Leo Laporte (02:39:07):
Walter order the parking

Stacey Higginbotham (02:39:09):
In Jeff's house when he goes outta town and just like have him come home. Yes, it would be

Leo Laporte (02:39:14):
Amazing. All right. Well just all I'm gonna make a $5 offer just in case <laugh> okay. Oh. Oh,

Ant Pruitt (02:39:21):
They turn it

Leo Laporte (02:39:21):
Down. They say Jeff Jarvis is worth more than $5. Five 50 <laugh> whoa. Wow. Take that. That was pretty damn quick.

Ant Pruitt (02:39:33):
Five 50.

Leo Laporte (02:39:33):
The guy said no, absolutely

Ant Pruitt (02:39:35):
Not. Unless my final, they,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:39:36):
They probably have a

Leo Laporte (02:39:37):
Floor on it. Yeah. They have a floor. So let's find out what it is. You can't by the way, keep doing this. You get a only have like one offer left. So let's try eight. Now. He's gonna, I'm gonna say not well, $15. Yeah. Eight that's more than half. There you

Ant Pruitt (02:39:50):
Go.

Leo Laporte (02:39:52):
Yeah. Let's see. He wasn't rejected outta hand. Oh yeah.

Ant Pruitt (02:39:56):
There we goes. They want their money.

Leo Laporte (02:39:59):
They're not taking a penny last.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:40:01):
They feel that Jeff

Leo Laporte (02:40:01):
Is 1499. They've seen there's a rush on it. They see there's a market now. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (02:40:07):
You're betting against

Leo Laporte (02:40:08):
Yourself. Now they're checking on the other ones. Jeff jar's futures are all up. I'm telling you. All right. Let's see if he'll take, will you take 10? Oh yeah. He'll take 10. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (02:40:20):
You? $10 is the

Leo Laporte (02:40:21):
Cost of it. Nell only wasn't accepted. It was accepted right away. I now own this. I gotta pay him. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (02:40:28):
What if you have to pay all the others? Is that a better one than the other one?

Leo Laporte (02:40:32):
You can't reject the acceptance. You stuck, right? No, you're stuck.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:40:36):
Well, no, if you don't pay them, they just won't

Leo Laporte (02:40:38):
Send it to you. My order's in. You should get it by May 14th. <Laugh>

Speaker 10 (02:40:44):
Yes.

Leo Laporte (02:40:45):
Yes. You can take it on the cruise with you. Oh, I will. I'm gonna have it on my, under my pillow. Are you kidding? I am so excited

Ant Pruitt (02:40:53):
Under your pillow on the mirror.

Leo Laporte (02:40:56):
Oh, everywhere. <Laugh> yeah. Oh yeah. We'll make a little TikTok of me shaping or Lisa looking at Jeff <laugh>. This is like flat. What's it flat? Flat. What's his name?

Ant Pruitt (02:41:06):
Flat Stanley. Was that it

Leo Laporte (02:41:08):
Flat? Flat Stanley you that's thing. Flat Jarvis. Yeah. Yeah. I love, you know, flat Stanley, you know, you don't know that it's a flat pick. It's a flat thing of a guy and people take it around. Take pictures with it.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:41:23):
I see it. Okay. It's a it's based off of the children's book.

Leo Laporte (02:41:26):
Yeah. I'm surprised you don't know that. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:41:28):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:41:29):
So now I have to order a bunch of frames for my collection.

Speaker 10 (02:41:32):
<Laugh>

Ant Pruitt (02:41:38):
Oh man, I I'm up. And it says sold when I look for it. This,

Leo Laporte (02:41:43):
So our morning conversation at breakfast is usually alright. I have a payment here for $1,500. Oh yeah. That was that laptop. Okay. I have three payments to eBay for $10. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (02:41:57):
Wait, are these on your business account? Oh

Leo Laporte (02:41:59):
Yeah. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:42:00):
Excellent.

Leo Laporte (02:42:01):
Oh, of course. It's tax deductible. Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:42:03):
I was about to say, oh, you're gonna expense Jeff.

Leo Laporte (02:42:05):
Of course he think no way. I wouldn't detect that. And if the IRS comes here,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:42:14):
Hey, we talked about it quite a lot.

Leo Laporte (02:42:17):
Gold.

Ant Pruitt (02:42:18):
It was worth

Leo Laporte (02:42:19):
Gold. Jeff Jarvis is the director of the town night center for entrepreneurial journalism at the Craig Craig, Craig Newmark, graduate school of journalism with the city university of New York. And he adorns my wall, former brunette, Jeff JF, former brunette. Thank you. Jeff buzz, machine.com for his writings at Jeff Jarvis. If you wanna join the battle on Twitter. Mm mm mm. And put the hands on photography. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> you're gonna do that product shot thing this week, or 

Ant Pruitt (02:42:56):
No. Got something else going on

Leo Laporte (02:42:58):
This week. You've been talking to some really great

Ant Pruitt (02:43:00):
People. I got to sit down with a very, very popular NFL photographer.

Leo Laporte (02:43:07):
I know. We're so jealous that you got to talk to this

Ant Pruitt (02:43:09):
Guy. It's gonna be gonna be great. Yeah. Yeah, but just go ahead and subscribe to that TV slash hop hop. I'm still rehearsing how I would like to do the product photography. So that's what, what you saw on TikTok is me going through rehearsal.

Leo Laporte (02:43:25):
You are also a master at advance tomorrow. <Laugh> the TWI clubhouse. That's

Ant Pruitt (02:43:32):
Right.

Leo Laporte (02:43:32):
Scott Wilkin

Ant Pruitt (02:43:33):
Question

Leo Laporte (02:43:33):
In. That'll be fun. And ask me anything at 9:00 AM next week, father Robert mm-hmm <affirmative> Stacey's book. Club's coming up June 16th. You have time still. I think to read termination a shock by Neil, Steve.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:43:44):
Oh, I don't know. That's

Ant Pruitt (02:43:44):
A long book book.

Leo Laporte (02:43:47):
I'm start. I'll be starting it tomorrow.

Ant Pruitt (02:43:49):
Jamer B and I have been having some conversations long.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:43:52):
I really struggled with this one. I was sad when y'all chose, when they chose it, but

Ant Pruitt (02:43:56):
It's all Jamer B listen

Leo Laporte (02:43:57):
To that. John has written read it all the way through and has started over and is now 40% on his second read.

Ant Pruitt (02:44:02):
Yeah, he's saying he's trying to catch up with me on his second time. Around ahead

Leo Laporte (02:44:08):
Of him. <Laugh> oh

Ant Pruitt (02:44:09):
Gosh.

Leo Laporte (02:44:10):
He's

Ant Pruitt (02:44:10):
Slapped you. Yeah. It's it's this book is so

Leo Laporte (02:44:13):
Long. If you are not a member of club TWI, you really have to join. It's so much fun. The discord is great, but there's more to it than just the discord ad free versions of all of our shows, the TWI plus feed with many of the things that don't happen in the podcast including some shows, we don't put out like the untitled Linux show, the gizz fizz mm-hmm <affirmative> we launched this weekend space in the club. Thank you, club, TWI members. And we are gonna launch a new show soon. I'll give you details about that very soon. We're very excited about this one. I think you will be too. All it is is seven bucks a month. Just a couple of lattes. Go to twi.tv/club. TWI. Your support is very, very much appreciate. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much. Stacey, Higginbotham Stacey ont.com. We will miss you next week. I'm sorry, but have fun.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:03):
What? I'm gonna be gone the next

Leo Laporte (02:45:04):
Week too. I know they already told me they try to warn me ahead of time. I, however he can't get rid of me. He tries no you're gonna be gone in, in two weeks. Bad penny. I might be. I don't know. Yeah. I'm gonna be all alone in two weeks.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:18):
Oh yeah. Cuz that's the week. I'm not gonna be there that week too. Cuz I'm in Dallas.

Ant Pruitt (02:45:21):
Yeah. Have fun with that. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:22):
Sorry.

Leo Laporte (02:45:22):
<Laugh> are you gonna be here aunt?

Ant Pruitt (02:45:24):
I don't know.

Leo Laporte (02:45:25):
You better be <laugh> it's gonna be Ann. Leo show. Have no

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:28):
Idea. No, by then your photo of Jeff will be here. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:45:31):
I'll just put a photo right up. Oh, you know what? Now, wait minute. Does eBay have any pictures of you Stacy? Cause I need you good, Jeff. No, no. I'll I'll just tape it to the TV here. Let us go to eBays. Gorgeous recruit

Ant Pruitt (02:45:44):
Theater. That's

Leo Laporte (02:45:45):
Great.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:45):
<Laugh> I'm gonna assume they don't have it. Although. And how old are you? May I ask? I mean, I can

Ant Pruitt (02:45:51):
Ask. I am over 40. I'll say that.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:45:54):
So I noticed that Jeff's photo from 1980

Leo Laporte (02:45:58):
In. Wait a minute. That's 40 years ago.

Ant Pruitt (02:46:01):
Thanks

Leo Laporte (02:46:01):
A lot. That's 42 years ago.

Ant Pruitt (02:46:05):
No,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:46:05):
It's not. It's like <laugh> 90. Were you bored when that photo was taken? <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:46:11):
No, 1990. Oh 1990.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:46:13):
Oh, okay. I was like, man, bad enough. That's Stacy. Wow. I feel better now. Sorry. Sorry. Shock.

Leo Laporte (02:46:22):
Like you enjoyed that Stacy. You enjoyed that far too much. That was not a jab. That was a left hook. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:46:29):
I was just like, oh my God, Jeff, you look amazing. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:46:34):
It's enough to make you fan I'd look just as old as I am.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:46:36):
Yeah. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:46:38):
Thank you all for being here. We do this week in Google. Every Wednesday. You see, you don't wanna miss an episode. Yeah. Who says this is not fun. Talking about Google for three hours is a great show. We barely mentioned Google. <Laugh> oh, we didn't even get to Google's quarterly results. That's how little we care. Yeah. All right. Oh no, we do this show. Oh, we'll do it sometime. Yeah. It wasn't good. Let's put it that way. We talked ironically, we talked about it on, on windows weekly. We, we talked about on this week in tech, but we didn't talk about on this week on Google. Cause we got bigger Phish to phonies. We do this show Wednesdays 2:00 PM. Pacific 5:00 PM. Eastern 2100 UTC. Watch live at live. Do twi.tv. You can listen. Live to chat, live@ircdottwi.tv. That's open to all. You can get every show at our website, twi.tv/twig. Best thing to do, be subscribe. Get it in your podcast catcher. And you can listen whenever you're in the mood for a deep and profound discussion about ING and waffles. Thanks everybody. We'll see you next time on twig byebye.

Speaker 11 (02:47:50):
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