This Week in Google 270 (Transcript)
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recent blog post by Kathy Sierra. Jeff
Jarvis is here, Gina Trapani. We’ll talk
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It’s time for Twig. This week in Goooogle. The show that covers Google, The Cloud, Facebook, the Twitter
verse and all that jazz. Here they are, our
regular hosts, back again, Gina Trapani from SmarterWear.org. And...that’s her
blog, and of course, Think Up, that’s her product. And, of course, All About Android—that’s her show.
Gina Trapani: Hello!
Leo: Hello!
Gina: Happy Wednesday.
Leo: Happy Wednesday. Jeff Jarvis, from The City University of New York, CUNY.
Jeff Jarvis: Welcome back, mate!
Leo: Hey, thank you. I had said I love London.
Gina: Did you guys have a good time? It looks like you had a good time.
Leo: I had a great time.
Gina: Good for you.
Jeff: What was the best thing you did?
Leo: Even Song at St. Paul’s.
Jeff: Oh!
Leo: So, you know, you go to St. Paul’s, which is the
beautiful cathedral Christopher Wren built in the 17th century. It’s in the Old Town—the city of London. And, it’s just a beautiful cathedral. And then you go up to the dome, which is
really cool and they’ve got a beautiful view. Did a bunch of panos (panoramics). And then at five o’clock they do Even
Song. And I was going to do Even Song
either at Westminster Abbey or St. Paul’s. We were at St. Paul’s, and it was so
neat. So at five o’clock, you know, they
chase the tourists out and I said, “But we want stay
for the service.’ So they said, “Oh yes,
of course.” So you sit there very nicely
and then the minister came over and said, “We’ve got seventy seats in the
quire. You know that’s the wooden—the
Q-U-I-R-E—the wooden seats that the lords and ladies...It was weird that the
royal wedding was held, not Kate and Harry’s, or Will’s or whoever, but where
Charles and Diana’s wedding was. So you remember, probably, that...that...all
the fancy people sitting in these beautiful wooden seats.
Jeff: Uncomfortable, no doubt, but true.
Leo: Yeah, and creaky. But seventy of us got to sit there. And then the boys’ choir comes in,
and they’re sitting there, right there next to you, and singing, and it was the
most beautiful thing.
Jeff: Oh, wow, so....
Gina: Neat!
Leo: Yeah, it was really great.
Gina: Really neat!
Leo: Really enjoyed that. It was very beautiful to hear a boys’ choir, a really good boys’
choir. Also, changing of the guard was
fun, of all things.
Gina: Oh, yeah.
Jeff: You were a tourist there!
Gina: You liked the eye.
Leo: I did all the tourist stuff. I did the Lenin eye. Good.
Gina: I like the eye—I mean—you know
Leo: I love the eye!
Gina: --giant thing in the middle of the—but some incredible
views.
Jeff: I wouldn’t like that at all. It’s like a bridge, a turning around thing.
Leo: It’s not so scary. It merged so slowly that they don’t stop at you to get off.
Jeff: You get stuck up there. My palms start sweating. I’ll be stuck up
there...for an hour!
Leo: you’re not stuck up there. It moves. It’s like half an hour.
Leo: And it goes all the way around.
Jeff: I don’t like these happen slowly, either.
Gina: [laughter] It’s like, right, the do it, move or don’t,
right?
Leo: You know, I am with you. Some comic (I
think it was Jimmy Fallon) said a ferris wheel
combines the worst of both worlds: terror and boredom.
Jeff and Gina: [laughter]
Leo: It was fun. And then The Tower of London. You know, just all
the usual tourist things. It was really
a double decker bus.
Jeff: You really hit it all up.
Leo: we only had four days. I had Toad in a Hole. Didn’t have Bangers and Mash. I had Toad in a Hole, which is
a sausage stuck into a Yorkshire pudding, surrounded by mashed potatoes, so it’s
kind of like everything.
Gina: Wow!
Leo: That’s the only English thing I had. Everything else, we went to French
restaurants. They had wonderful
food. The food in London is fabulous!
Jeff: The food in London now has gone from a horrible,
horrible food city to a great food city. It’s an amazing story.
Leo: Yeah. I had a
great time. I love London, and I
apologize, because so many people so kindly asked to—you know—I got an e-mail
from a guy who drives the tube—drives an underground car, and said, ‘Would you
like to run in front of the train sometime?’ And so many people said, ‘Would
you like to come up in the gherkin or the shard and, you know, we were there for so...for such a short time that we just did the tourist
thing, and that was it.
Lisa and me, just hardcore touristy. The only weird
thing is we’re walking real quickly down the street. We have a restaurant reservation. We’re going
to the West End. And Will Harris is at a bar, just like standing there, the one
guy I know who lives in England. He says, “Hey!” And I said, “Will!” Gave him a hug and then I gotta go. That’s it.
Leo: Ok, let’s talk. Right now as we speak HTC is doing another bizarre event. They’ve
announced a new, is it the Desire I-Phone,
which is an all-plastic waterproof HTC phone.
Jeff: Joule 13 megapixels.
Leo: 13 megapixel out. Remember
now, the HTC I, they made a big deal about having four megapixels, but they’re ultra pixels. Now
they’ve finally realized nobody wanted that. So it’s thirteen megapixels in the back, but also thirteen megapixels in
the front, and flash on both sides, so it’s the ultimate selfie cam.
Gina: Without gimmicks, right? It’s like the ultimate selfie. It’s just a good front-facing camera.
Leo: Right
Gina: Which is all you really need for a selfie. No flip-out screens. No crazy software. Blah blah blah. It’s just a thirteen megapixel camera for front-facing.
Leo: As it should be. You know, HTC is famous for the software that they add in their
phones. You have an HTC I, but you’re
using the Google Play edition, or you used to, anyway.
Gina: I used to. Right. I’ve got the 1+1 right now, but, uh yeah, I was using
the HTC 1 M8. But, yeah, it got
destroyed by the infant I live with. But I loved it. Great phone, great phone. But that, thirteen megapixel front and back, that’s something I really would like. That appeals to a selfie.
Jeff: What did she manage to do to it to destroy a
phone? It’s not actually easy to destroy
a phone, except of course an i-phone,
but…
Gina: It isn’t, and that’s a solid phone, you know. She...I heard her banging something on the
floor, and didn’t look up fast enough.
Leo: Oh!
Gina: In time to catch. Like, she was really like…yeah, and then the screen just never came up
after that.
Leo: Oh, wow. Etta’s
got some real skills.
Gina: Yeah, she does. She’s good. Oh, she loves the phone. She always wants the
phone. She wants the phone. She wants the tablet. But, yeah, we had to have a
few discussions about not banging it on the floor. You know, we naturally sort of used...tend to
handle these devices with a bit of reverence. Even me, I’m against cases. I
feel like these computers are here for us to use. I want for the computer to be there for me
and not for me to adapt to the computer. But I still am very carefully [sic]
handle it. She has no such instinct
about it.
Leo: That’s very telling, isn’t it? Its’ very interesting. Um, HTC also announced they’re going to do new software...new camera software
for all HTC 1 owners. And a new Zoe will
be on i-phone as well as Android. That’s a good idea I think the Zoe, which is one of the
features I love about the HTC 1. It
takes movies and still at the same time. I think it’s a really nice feature and it would be great on an i-phone. So we’ll keep watching
and let you know if anything else is announced, with HTC doing its event right
now. And we’re HTC fans.
Jeff: Is the show still on?
Leo: We were watching before the show, and I just don’t
understand why these companies do this. Who is that to appeal to? You’ve
got 50 tech journalists. They don’t want to see a fashion show—especially bad
fashion.
Gina: Yeah, it doesn’t make any sense. It’s like just get a great speaker with a lot
of personality—someone like you, Leo--who’s got just a great voice and can
project enthusiasm—and but sort of clearly explain something. It doesn’t have
to be the CEO, necessarily. In fact, sometimes I think it SHOULDN’T be the CEO.
Leo: No. No.
Gina: It shouldn’t be! Just get someone good who explains
what the product is and that’s it. Just
show it. Period. It’s weird. I think it’s partially a
cultural thing, too.
Leo: I guess?! I don’t
get it.
Gina: It’s some idea that it’s gotta be a big show.
Leo: Yeah. Mock show. Well,
we’ll try to parse the fashion show and give you the actual tech facts, as they
emerge.
Gina: [laughter] “Parse the fashion show”???
Leo: [jokingly] What are they talking
about? Why are they doing this?
Why??? We could talk phones. Now Moto X, now you guys, you’re still using
the 1+1, and I have to say, I’m really tempted to go back to the 1+1 for one
reason: the battery life! The 20-hour
battery life is so nice!
Gina: Ah!
Leo: This is twelve!
Gina: Oh, no! I’m
sorry, Leo.
Jeff: [whistles]
Leo: Twelve doesn’t make it. I don’t care if you get a leather back.
Jeff; That’s the one thing
they did really well on this thing.
Leo: The one is kind of very generic, right?
Jeff: Yes, yes.
Leo: It doesn’t scream anything.
Jeff: It has no soul.
Leo: It has no soul, but it goes all day.
Gina: [laughter] It has a hacker
soul. Talk to me about the hints. That’s what I want to hear about, Leo. Uh…
Leo: I couldn’t get it to work.
Gina: Oh. Jason had
it last night, but he said, “This has been in Leo’s ear, and I am not going to
put it in my ear.”
Jeff: Ahhh!
Gina: I’ll talk to him about it on Twig.
Leo: So yeah, I got the hint. So of the three I like the
Moto 360 the best. I think it is
the best Smart Watch of all out there right now. The phone, if it had good battery life, would
be good. I did a review on BeforeYouBuy, and I wasn’t
able—I had reprogrammed it to be something like, “Ok, MotoX,”
and it never would, it just wouldn’t wake up. So I went back to “OK Google Now.” Well, it’s still not listening very well.
Jeff: Didn’t you change it to “Wake Up”?
Leo: No I changed it back. It said, “For best results…”
Jeff: Like clear your password, yeah. Is there a way to remind yourself of the word
you put in?
Leo: Yes! Oh no, in
fact they say, they make you enter it in as text before you go on, because they
know that you will forget what it is.
Jeff: [laughs]
Leo: And you know, a lot of the people at Motorola were
going, “Hello, Jarvis.” One thing I’ve learned from the new i-Phone,
you know, the new i-Phone wakes up when you say,
“Hello, Siri,” but that’s only if the new i-Phone is
under power. And one thing I’ve learned
from that, is that’s too short a phrase because it
wakes up when I’m listening to an audio book. It wakes up when I’m
talking.
It wakes up when President Obama says the word “Syria”
on the T.V. Siri goes, “What? What?” So that’s too short, and then they say this on the MotoX when you’re programming it. In fact,
they’ll even say that’s too short. More
syllables is better. And probably
more distinct syllables. But it
doesn’t work very well. And the hint—
Jeff: Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Leo: Try that. ‘Ok, Google Now’ [speaks to phone]. Yeah, there it
worked.
Gina: That’s five syllables, Leo.
Leo: [speaks slowly into phone] Ok, Google Now. Yeah.
Jeff: You count fast, Gina.
Leo: Ok, Google Now. Yeah, now it’s working reliably.
Gina: That’s a lot of talking!
Leo: Well, I know. I
wanted to say, ‘Ok, MotoX.’ That wasn’t very
reliable. But ‘Ok, Google Now’ seems to work. Um, you train it and blah blah blah. Uh, it’s
calling somebody. Oh, no, stop!
Jeff and Gina: [laugh in amusement]
Leo: Seriously, please! It did that…Didn’t it do that to Chad when I was doing the review on BeforeYouBuy? It
started calling. Chad said, “You’re in a
phone call.”
I said, ‘What?” and
I had to hang up. Well, whatever. ‘I’m sorry. Butt dial.’ So, the hint is the earpiece that makes the
full set. You’ve got the watch, you’ve
got the phone, you’ve got the earpiece. You’ve got the full legendary armor set. The
hint is very small. It has no microphone
protrusion or anything. It just fits in
your ear like a little gauge.
Gina: That’s not it.
Jeff: It won’t fall out easily?
Leo: No, this is not it.
Jeff: ‘Is Jason here?’
Leo: No, it doesn’t fall out. It’s pretty good. You just kind of screw it in [grunt, grunt]
and it has a face that will, if you wish, match the back. I got the brown cognac leather, so it matched
it, which doesn’t really make you look more fashionable. It just makes you look kind of weird.
Gina: But not as weird as the generic BlueTooth Dopple.
Leo: And it doesn’t blink blue. It’s pretty unobtrusive. Um, and the sound is pretty good. The problem is the microphone is in your
ears, so it never does seem to respond.
Can somebody go on Jason’s desk and steal my hint back?
John will do it, ‘cause I want to show you. A battery life something the size of a dime
obviously isn’t very long—three hours.
Jeff: Ooh.
Leo: But then you get a container that you put it in that
has two more charges. So you charge the
container overnight…
Find it? Yeah…
And then so when you’re not using the hint, which by
the way will be dead now, because it discharges even when it’s not in your ear…
So you put it in here.
Gina: Oh, so you have to charge it like two or three times a
day?
Leo: Yeah.
Gina: That’s what that blinking is?
Leo: Yeah. That’s
another problem, by the way.
Gina: Whoa! That’s a
battery...that’s a charger. Whoa...so
the charger’s cool. That thing looks
cool, but I didn’t realize…
Leo: It’s a good idea…
Gina: It’s a good idea, but I didn’t realize you have to
take that thing out of your ear and stick it in the chargertwo or three times a day.
Leo: Yeah. Three hours of talk time.
Jeff: It gets all waxy…
Gina: Three hours of talk time. Okay.
Leo: It doesn’t get waxy. It’s not waxy.
Jeff: I’m just joking.
Jason: I don’t know. It looks pretty interesting. There’s something yellow on that.
Leo: No, the yellow is the pogo pins for the...
Jason: Oh, ok.
Leo: locker.
Gina: Oh, we’re getting real…that’s quite a close-up.
Leo: I’m not sure which is the microphone. I think that is the microphone, and the
problem is, that’s in your ear! Um, you CAN touch this, so it will work with
any Bluetooth cable with phone…
Gina: What’s that little jammy on
the little outer, the brown part? There’s like a little hole there.
Leo: I don’t know if that’s the mic or this is the mic. There’s two different ports.
Gina: Ok.
Leo: Maybe that’s just a light. I don’t know.You could tap it and wake up the phone, but you could also, if it’s attached to a MotoX, say, ‘Ok Google Now,’ or whatever your phrase is,
although I never was able to get that working. Uh, because
the microphone’s stuck in your ear. So, then I called my daughter and she said, “I can’t…What? What? Can’t....What? Hello?” So then I think that’s going to be retired.
Oh, and ok, one more complaint. You see, it’s glowing when it’s uh…charging
the device. It goes solid when it’s
fully charged. That’s really
bright. It doesn’t look bright in here,
but in a darkened bedroom that’s a flashlight.
Jeff: [laughing] Oh, no!
Leo: I mean it’s that bright. And so, this....you.
Gina: And it’s the breathing…yeah.
Leo: Yeah, and it’s breathing. That
is not conducive to sleep.
Gina: Yeah, there’s a Mac. I forget, not the recent models,
but there’s a model of Mac that did that when it was charging. It would breathe, and it would make my better
half crazy. She would cover it in
shirts. Like, she would...like...she
just could not be in the bedroom at night.
Leo: You’d have to charge this in another room.
Gina: Yeah…
Leo: But, it makes it easy to find [laughing], on the
bright side.
Gina: [laughing]
Leo: It also senses that it’s in your ears, so you don’t
have to push any buttons. It just makes
some music.
Jeff: Oh, because the thing that upsets me most about
earpieces is that when I’m trying to hold it in my ear so I can hear better, of
course that’s the off button.
Leo: [muttering, trying out the device] It’s telling me, ‘Go to Bluetooth menu
on device to complete pairing.’ So,
because it’s not paired, I’m gonna go to bluetooth and I’m gonna say,
“Pair this.” Search for devices. So that’s the nice thing. Pairing is very easy, very quick. And now it’s going to be paired. It’ll pair to up to two different phones, so
you could pair this if you had another phone. Or, actually I’ve paired it to my computer.
Gina: Hmmm…
Leo: Ok, so now it’s saying, ‘Paired.’ It wants to access my address book. Ok, so let’s just see now. OK Google Now. Eh, it’s working! Maybe I just has a
phrase that wasn’t great. OK Google
Now. OK Google Now. ‘While watch is listening you should speak to
it.’ What?!
Jeff: Ohhh, your watch is what responded,
not the…ho, ho, ho [laughter].
Leo: Oh, I have too many things listening! OK, Google Now. Oh, see, the watch is responding.
Jeff: The watch is doing it.
Leo: Oh, crap.
Jeff and Gina: [laughter]
Leo: Ok, they obviously haven’t fully thought this out
yet. Um, the reviews have been fairly
positive, but I don’t think it’s because…I think it’s because the reviewers
haven’t used it. I don’t think it’s
usable. So that’s too bad, but on the
other hand, remember, when you’re using stuff like this you’re on the cutting
edge. You’re using new stuff and you can
expect some bumps along the way. I
wouldn’t recommend this for somebody who just wants a Bluetooth earpiece. I was listening to an audio book. This was great, because it was just so
small. It just sits there. Um, it’s kinda fun.
Leo: All right, the reason I bring this up is because next
week (Right, that’s the rumor, right, Jeff?) next week Shamu comes out.
Jeff: Rumor, rumor!
Gina: Rumor, mmm—hmm.
Leo: Next is Six, which is rumored
to be an almost six-inch version of this: The MotoX.
Jeff: With…
Gina: Right.
Jeff: great specs.
Leo: Yeah, more RAM. Three gigs of RAM. Bigger screen. 5.9
inch, I think, screen.
Gina: Five-nine!
Leo: It’s pretty big.
Gina: Five-nine!
Leo: It’s still smaller. It’s still smaller than the Mondo Six, right? The i-Phone?
Leo: Yes, it’s still smaller than the i-Phone 6. They have bigg bezzles. I like big bezzles. I cannot lie. Uhm…
Gina: No, no, no… The 6-Plus is 5.5 [inches], isn’t it? I thought that…
Leo: It’s five and half inches, but the total phone size is
bigger than the rumored size for Shamo, because of
the bezzles.
Gina: Oh, ok, I gotcha.
Leo: Anyway, if it has better battery life it might be a
good pick, because I’ll tell you what, if this had the same battery life as the
1+1 I’d say, it’s equivalent to, or even maybe even better because it
listens. You know, I like the little
things that it does. I’m sorry that they
went to 5.5 inches. 4.7 was really
great, but…[tongue smack]
Gina: Yeah, the battery life on the 1+1 is pretty great. I’m
pretty spoiled at this point.
Leo: Yeah…
Gina: Like, I don’t even think about it anymore.
Jeff: That’s the one thing…
Leo: Go ahead, Jeff.
Jeff: No, that was it.
Leo: “That the one thing”?
Jeff: That’s the one thing about the 1+1 I love.
Leo: Yeah! By the
way, the 1+1 screen is, I believe, and others do too, the same part as in the i-Phone 6+.
Jeff: Really?
Gina: Oh, really?
Leo: It’s exactly the same size. It’s definitely. It’s got all the same specs as the same. I think it’s the same part. It’s the in-cell
touch and all of that stuff. So, if you asked me what I should do…what you
should do. I’d say wait for Shamo and see.
Jeff: I think that’s where I’m headed. Yep.
Leo: Not that there’s anything wrong with the 1+1, and for
the price, gosh, that’s the phone to go! And I’m sad to say I was a tryout for the MotoX. I’m gonna keep
using it because hope springs eternal.
Jeff: Can I give you a little watch update?
Leo: Yes.
Jeff: So, if you have the latest update on the watch itself,
you can now turn Ambient back on, and it will last all day.
Leo: I did that, and you’re right.
Jeff: They fixed the battery pretty well.
Leo: Yes.
Gina: Yeah, that lay’s update did really make a huge
difference.
Leo: And then I found a little program called IntelliCon Watch Face. Have you played with some of the third party Watch Face apps?
Jeff: No, not yet.
Leo: This one’s great because it lets you...you could have
a Ferrari logo.
Jeff and Leo: [laughing]
Leo: It adds some features. This is the battery life of the
watches displayed on the watch now. You
could have this stay awake now for five seconds or ten seconds after you turn
it on. That, of course, will kill the battery. And that is, you can, programmable. That is east coast time, you would probably
recognize, since it’s your time. So, and, uh…all of this is programmable. So
you can make any face you want, which is kinda nice.
Jeff: So I want…I’m gonna be in
Seoul next week.
Leo: Yes...?
Jeff: And the LGR goes on sale in Korea on Monday.
Leo: You should pick it up.
Gina: Oooh! Well, you should!
Leo: 250. I think it’s expensive, right? Something like that?
Jeff: Is it? Well, I haven’t bought one yet so you know…I’ve
two free.
Leo: Come on, you better! The LGR—so the round one?
Jeff: Yeah, yeah, and no flat tire problem because it has
the whatchamacallit?
Leo: Well, it has a flat tire. You just can’t see it.
Jeff: Well, yeah, but that’s clever.
Gina: Yeah, the flat tire doesn’t exist if no one can see
it.
Leo: That doesn’t bother me. I would rather see more of the watch and half
the flat tire than less of the watch with no flat tire. In effect, it’s got a flat tire all the way
around. The bezzle’s hiding up.
Gina: ‘Cause it’s a thicker bezzle
Leo: Yeah, all the way around. I think it’s... I don’t know. Okay, so there’s your phone wrap-up. Really, I was just stealing All About Android’s
thunder. I’m sure you talked about all
of this last night.
Gina: We did, we did. We did talk about a lot of it, but,
you know, Android’s Android…
Leo: We’re all interested. We’re interested in Android.
Gina: Mmm hmm, mmm hmm.
Leo: But, let’s talk about Google. Whaddya say? We’re gonna do that
in a sec. We’re going to take a
break. As soon as we come back, we’ll
have some Google stuff, and we’ll have their Google change log. Umm, I want to
ask you about some fascinating journalistic stories, Jeff Jarvis, because
you’re our king of journalism. Uh, did you, I presume you both read Kathy
Sierra’s post of yesterday?
Gina: Yeah,
Jeff: You know I would run to!
Gina: God!
Leo: Ok, while I’m doing the ad, Jeff, run to...What is her
pony?
Gina: Serious Pony.
Leo: Seriouspony.com. Ok, run to seriouspony and read it. She said she is gonna take it down soon, so you might want to read it now,
Jeff, and we could talk about that a little bit, too.
Gina: I’ll drop it in the dock, Jeff.
Leo: It’s more of that troll stuff, Jeff, um…
Jeff: Oyyy.
Leo: and it just, you know, breaks my heart. It just breaks
my heart.
Jeff: I think it may be down.
Leo: Really?
Jeff: Presentation
Skills Considered Harmful?
Leo: No.
Gina: She didn’t link to it from her blog. It was kinda like a hidden link.
Leo: Oh, maybe it’s hidden. Okay.
Gina: I’ll hump it down. You do the reading , Leo…
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Leo: Who is…Tell us who Kathy Sierra is, Gina.
Gina: Uh, Kathy is a technologist and author of many
educational programming books. For years and years and years. Early, early blogger.
Leo: Great writer.
Gina: Yeah, great writer.
Leo: Just a powerful writer.
Gina: Great writer. Great work. Great speaker. A teacher. I would
call her a teacher, but in technology. And, long story short, in 2007 she is...uh...people are starting to pay
attention to her work because she does really good work and she gets trolled by
an infamous troll and, uhm, horribly attacked by
hundreds of people who dox her and publish her social security number and home
address and a bunch of lies about her...
Leo: So sad!
Gina: her family and her kids and her work, and she goes offline because she’s afraid for her safety and for her
family’s safety. And she comes back
online, oh, I don’t know, the last year, 2013, I think…
Leo: Yeah
Gina: under a different handle—Serious Pony. And starts to publish a little bit more. And,
I don’t know, maybe I should pass this over to you. Her troll was involved in a court case…
Leo: “Weave”
Gina: Uh, “Weave.” Uh, right, was involved in a court case.
Leo: And this is the thing. This is where I got in a little bit of trouble because the case against
Weave was terrible. It was another one
of those Department of Justice bogus prosecutions.
Gina: Right. It was a
computer fraud and abuse act. It was
overreach. Right, it was a terrible lawsuit, but this guy’s also a terrible
person.
Leo: But Weave is a hideous person!
Gina: He’s hideous, exactly!
Leo: He was the guy who apparently doxed Kathy Sierra. He admitted it in the New York Times. Now he denies it.
Gina: Yeah, now he denies it. He admitted it.
Leo: Not a nice person. Really, kind of, in many ways, and she talks about this, not just a
troll but a sociopathic troll with real skills. That’s kind of the worst…
Gina: Yes
Leo: possible…part
Gina: Extremely smart, extremely manipulative…Yes, just a
constant liar. You know, what got hard,
what got difficult for her, and what I can’t imagine what must have been so
real for her, is that you know a lot of people in the tech community were
against the case against him, right, because it was a bad case against him,
separate from…
Leo: We were torn!
Gina: what he did to her.
Leo: We were torn because it turned out AT&T had
misconfigured its servers and you could get e-mails of customers—iPad users,
very simply with a script. And so he did
it. He downloaded something like 114,000
addresses, and as far as anybody knows, never did anything malicious with them,
and although given his personality I don’t know—but the prosecution seemed
misguided, and they were really going for the works. On the other hand, it’s hard not to celebrate
getting this guy in jail because HE’S A CREEP!
Gina: Right, right, because he’s a horrible creep. Yeah.
Leo: Anyway what she’s talking about in this—and it’s a
very powerful article—is how—and this happened to her ten years ago…
Jeff: How it doesn’t go away…
Leo: And how it’s gotten worse and worse. She’s making an interesting point because I’m
the one who says, ‘Well, just ignore them. They’ll go away.’ She says it
doesn’t work.
Jeff: She has a great list here. Here are your choices. One: leave. They win. Two: ignore them. They escalate and make life more miserable.
DDOS ruin your career, etc. They win. Three: fight back! If you’ve already hit
the Kool-Aid point, which I’ll describe in a second, see option two: they
win. The Kool-Aid point is brilliant. I
think it’s a real insightful point, which is that it’s not so much that your
troll hates you. The troll hates the attention you’re getting, and you don’t
deserve that.
Leo: Especially if you’re a woman.
Jeff: And you’re all wrong.
Leo: Especially if you’re a woman in tech, then you REALLY don’t
deserve it.
Gina: Right.
Leo: That’s the logic.
Gina: And so this campaign of discrediting, you know,
begins. ‘You slept your way to the top.
Leo: [disgusted] Uch!
Gina: You know, you made all of this up. You’re actually, you know, whatever…All the things. And actually, Anita Sarkisian did this great talk at XOXO about how...the ways in which trolls kind of
discredit women, and all those things were done to Kathy. Just lies, basically,
about her. And things would escalate. Like, she posted this blog comment—a comment on a blog—saying that she
supported people who moderated their blog comments, and that escalated into
this giant lie about how she had issued DMCA complaints against websites and
had people censored, and so she herself was a censor and against, like, you
know, a free and open web, and people would…just these stories would just sort
of grow, and the mime would catch on, and then suddenly she was someone who
hated a free and open web, because she had said in a blog comment she thought
someone should be able to moderate the comments on their own blog. I mean...like…insane,
surreal, I cannot believe what this woman has been through., kind of moments.
Jeff: And, and, I mean it is. It’s surreal and it’s beyond appalling and
disgusting, and she’s felt fear for her life and such. And it’s the extreme.
Leo: Well, but it’s not really an outlier. That’s the point.
Jeff: Yeah, but what I was saying is that it may seem like
the extreme, and there’s a lot of that, but there’s also a lot that’s short of
that is also irritating and difficult, and not good for the net. And honestly…
Leo: Well if you wonder why there aren’t more women in
tech…
Gina: [laughing]
Leo: ‘Cause I think there are very few women—publicly
visible women in tech—who haven’t experienced this in some form of fashion. Am
I right?
Gina: Very few, very very few.
Yeah, you know, one of Think Up’s investors, Diemnian said, “Have you ever experienced anything like this? It just seems like you’re
a little more visible. Is this
common?” And I was like, ‘Ohhh, I can tell you stories.” And I’ve talked about it a
little bit here and I won’t go into my whole thing, but I love that Kathy
made…she differentiated between—and this is something I know that’s subjective
and you know it when you see it, but she differentiated between, like me being
mean to someone, and then stalking them, right? There’s like saying to someone like, you know, “You’re fat and stupid”
online as like someone being mean on the internet. You know, ‘block’, ‘ignore’, whatever. And
then there’s like, ‘I’ve taken a photo of your child and superimposed them on a
porn image and published that. Or, ‘I’ve published your home address and
encouraged other people, egged other people on, to go show up there,’
right? And then there’s a difference
between those two things. A BIG difference.
Leo: She talks about, uh, trolls hosting flashing images in
epileptic forms designed to put people in fits.
Gina: Yeah, to induce seizures.
Leo: To induce seizures. And that’s for the lulls, and that makes it ok. And people go, ‘Oh, boy,
that’s terrible, but that’s sure funny.’ It’s not! It’s horrible. It’s horrible behavior. And the reason I
bring it up, you know, I mean, look, if you’re a celebrity, if you’re a movie
star, this happens all the time. And the
general thing is just not to mention it. And not to—you know—you have security.
You’ll go to the police, you know, if there’s a fear for your life or a
tangible threat, and they will—because you’re a celebrity—they will prosecute,
and we see that happen. But what we don’t see happen is this kind of continuous
drum beat that goes on all the time. What’s changed is, now, first of all, it’s many, many, many more people
are exposed to it, and the tools for doing it, like—and Twitter comes up again
and again in this—and Kathy talks about Twitter—our new technological tools
really facilitate this. And I’m starting
to feel like we’re taking a really bad turn here.
Gina: Yeah
Leo: And it’s not…it’s bad.
Jeff: You know, a couple of weeks ago I said we have the
case of the naked celebrity photos and the beheading videos, and I argued on
the show (I don’t know if it was last week when you were off, Leo), but I
argued that we might be headed to a point where I saw people say it’s wrong to
share them, it’s wrong to look at them, and I saw the beginnings of a norm come
out. That’s among civilized people. There’s a huge swath of people who aren’t
civilized or who are, in fact, and we had this story on in June. Trolls are psychopaths.
Leo: She says that as well. She says that as well—that
Weave is a sociopath.
Jeff: You know, and I’m going to get in huge trouble here, because I’m going
to make an equivalency here that I don’t mean to make at all, okay, and I don’t
also want to mention this guy again at all, but my little mini thing of my
impostor who promised to change the name, Azage, not
a man of his word, he just went into L.O. and used my name there...Uhm.
Gina: [laughing]
Jeff: You know, this is a guy who
has a respectable job and a company with trust in his name. That’s all I’ll say, I can’t trust him. He’s not a man of his word. He’s a lying
little creep. And, umm, we can’t say
that because what’s going to happen? I’ll get crap now for I’m not into
humor and I’m not into this and not into that, if you all. But it’s
just the fact that people think they have the right to irritate other people.
The fact that if you’re in any…the weirdest part of the pathology is
interesting to me is that if you’re the least bit famous, people think that
they can go after you. By “least bit
famous,” now means that you publish anything to the public. That means that you
have a Twitter account. You have a blog.
Leo: And that’s kind of what Kathy Sierra is saying...is
just by sticking your head up in the world means that people are gonna want to try to cut you down.
Gina: Yes.
Leo: And but, especially if you’re a woman who sticks her
head up. That’s REALLY not okay.
Jeff: Right.
Gina: And for the first time in history, in a culture, we
have a whole group of people who are like famous enough to not have bodyguards,
but famous enough to have stalkers. And
the system isn’t built to deal with them. And you know, I went to the police when I had
my guy, and they couldn’t do anything! You know, like you have to have pri—Whatever,
I won’t go into the details, but they basically are just not equipped and can’t
help you unless there a very specific…
Leo: That’s what she says. They’re not interested.
Gina: They’re not interested. They’re not equipped, and you
know, there’s bigger things going on in the world.
Jeff: Couldn’t or wouldn’t, Gina?
Gina: You know, in my situa…
Leo: It’s a little of both.
Gina: yeah, it is. I
mean, Leo, you went through this a little bit...
Leo: I did.
Gina: when the issue happened with your daughter. You know, you have to have a documentation of
a credible threat within your state, and it has to be said in a certain way
that there’s no way that you can be misinterpreted any other way. You know, and these guys know how to, you
know, skirt the line and send you creepy pictures and write things about you
that make you know that they know all these things about you, right, without
making a direct threat. And the police are like, ‘Print out the e-mails and the
Tweets.’ I mean like, literally, that’s what goes on. That’s the level that
they’re at.
Leo: I know, I know. This kills.
Gina: So it’s useless.
Leo: You know, Jennifer Lawrence said it’s a sex
crime. It’s not even a crime. It’s a sex crime.
Gina: That was an amazing, an amazing response. The fact that she said that was a sex crime
and anyone who even looked at my photos without my permission was perpetuating
that crime…that was just such a huge… I mean, she’s the first celebrity. Every other celebrity, and it’s generally
women, right, who has had leaked nudes, have apologized, ‘Oh, it was a lapse in
judgment. I’m very sorry. They were shameful. Scarlet Johansen kind of played it out (Was it Scarlet Johansen?) I
forget which one was like, ‘I know my best angle.” Was kind
of coy about it. I love that
Jennifer Lawrence came straight up and said, “I was about to write an apology
and then I thought, ‘I don’t have anything to apologize for. This was a sex crime.
Gina: That was an incredible...that interview was in Vanity Fair.
Leo: Ironically, owned by the same company that owns Reddit…
Gina: [laughing]
Leo: which I doubt she knew. She might have thought about
going somewhere else to do this. But, nevertheless, it got the attention it
deserved, and you can’t disagree with her. Here’s the reason I bring this up. We had...I had such high hopes for
the internet. As of being a democratizing medium. And
a number of people said, even in the earliest days, ‘Yeah, but it’s going to
give people who shouldn’t have a voice, a voice.’ And I always said, “You know,
but if it’s in the light of day the really bad stuff has to stay under a rock
to survive. In the light of day, in the free agora, in the marketplace, it’ll
go away. It will shrivel up. It will dry up in the sun. And the true
nature of humans will triumph. And I’m afraid I was really wrong. And it’s very
sad to me…
Jeff: Don’t give up. I’m not ready to give up. Not by a long
shot. Again, I point to the Jennifer
Lawrence case. I think the people, all in all, rallied around. You didn’t see
them spread all around. You heard people say, ‘Don’t look at them. That would
be wrong.’ There are always going to be trolls, assholes, sickos, creeps,
idiots, crud buckets in the world. Right? They’re always going to be there. They always have been. They always will be.
Now, you’re right. It’s the point you’re making. The internet makes them more visible. Only because we link to them. Only because we say, ‘Hey,
look at them! Fight, fight over at
that!’
Leo: You said norms would fix this, but norms aren’t fixing
this.
Jeff: Not yet. No, but I’m saying, but this takes time.
Insert Gutenberg lecture here. Uh, a hundred and fifty years
to invent the newspaper. It takes
time for these norms to take over. When I was researching telegraphs, and you
know, from 1858 to 1885, they still hadn’t figured it out.
Leo: Yeah.
Jeff: Even the telegraph was still causing people problems.
They were still, ‘Oh my God!’ People were getting married over the telegraph,
and this is dangerous. Um, women have to stay at or away from the telegraph.
1865: Women have to stay away from the telegraph because it will expose them to
the coarse corners of the world, on New
York Times letter sell.
Leo: Yeah, but imagine what that New York Times writer would think today about the coarse corners of
the world.
Jeff: Yeah, but part of the problem is, so I spent my flight
back from San Francisco last week writing an essay that I’m trying to place
somewhere in German media. I’m starting with the Frankfurt Algemeiner Zeitung. It’s like The German Problem.
And at the end of it I argue we’ve got to have a discussion about the wonder.
And the entire conversation now has been taken over by the techno panics and
the protectionists and the controllers and the negatives and the trolls.
There’s also amazing and wonderful things going on with this net. And I argue
that we outta have a World’s Fair of the net. Yes, there’s crap, but there’s also a countervailing wonder that’s
occurring that we’re ignoring, what I’m talking about. We’re looking at all the bad stuff that comes
up. We’re allowing that to win the
conversation.
Jeff: We’re also…it’s the fault of the public. We’re giving
exposure to trolls, impostors, bozos, et cetera.
Leo: People need to get indignant, and instead of saying,
and Kathy Sierra points this out, there’s just this general, ‘Oh …yeah.’ There
must be some merit to what he’s saying kind-of-a-thing.
Jeff: Right, because you’re public, and public people deserve this.
Leo: Yeah.
Jeff: You put yourself out there, so you’re exposed, so what
happens to slap you in the face, you deserve. I’m obviously wrong, obviously
ridiculous, and we need more discussions. I mean, I’ll make another horrid,
ridiculous equivalency that I don’t mean to make literal. But what do we hear
in the discussion about terrorism and Islam? ‘Why don’t we hear more Islamists...dah dah dah dah dah?’ Well, we
do! But what gets attention is the terrorists. It’s
the fault of media to a great extent. It’s the fault of conversations, and you
know, when you look at... in London there were stories that when the Brit was
beheaded, the Muslim community in the UK expressed outrage. There’s a story
where it got there. You know it’s always been there. You know it’s been, no doubt about that.
Leo: There’s a hash tag not in our name.
Jeff: Yes, right. So
it used the tools to try to turn around and…
Leo: We need more of that.
Jeff: Exactly. And we need the same thing with trolls. The
problem is, this is where you get into the Kathy Sierra, you know, horrible
thing here. The first step is we all
have to ignore them. If you point to a troll, you are equally guilty of
whatever that troll has done, full-stop. You are complicit troll’s crime. ‘Oh,
isn’t that funny?! Look at the fight. Oh, it’s just funny. It’s just lulls.’ No, sucker! You just did it
yourself. You were an accomplice to the crime. If you look at pictures of
Jennifer Morris, you are committing a sex crime.
Jeff: She’s right. If
you can’t look at child porn because it’s wrong, then how could you look at the
stolen photo and say it’s right? You are responsible for the behavior.
So, at a level of ignoring we have to get to there.
Then there’s the question of, ‘Do we get to the level of condemnation?’ Doesn’t
that just give the trolls what they want? ‘Oh, I kicked up a storm.’ Maybe, but
at least we have to get to the level of ignoring and what we have to do is,
rather than shaming the troll, shame the people who point to the troll. And
I’ve done that. And I’ve gone to people and said, “Do you really want to give
that guy attention? Did you really want to do that?” and reasonable people say,
“Ooh, ok. You were right. I was wrong
Leo: And that’s using social norms to correct this.
Jeff: Yes, it’s the only thing that’s going to happen. No walls, no technology.
And if we don’t succeed at this, everybody worthwhile
is going to pull back. We’re going to lose the discourse; we’re going to lose
the potential of the internet. It’ll become a wasteland because anybody who has
any sense will just stay out of the public eye.
Jeff: Yes.
Leo: And you don’t want that.
Jeff: No.
Leo: And you want women in the game industry. You want women in technology. You don’t want
women just to say, ‘God, this is a crappy place to be. I don’t want to
participate.
Gina: Well, you know, that’s funny. That’s kind of the insight that I had about
all this, and I have to say that Kathy’s—that essay she wrote—really was, uh…
Leo: Everyone should read it. If you have any doubt. If you
say, ‘Oh no, this isn’t that bad’ read it, and then decide.
Gina: It was definitely a bit of reckoning for me, right,
because I build a product whose premise, Think Up, whose premise participating
on the public network is a good thing, period, right. And I don’t know. This
situation, the more I think about it, the more I wonder about that. I mean, I do believe it. I want to believe
that, but it gets harder when this stuff happens, and one of the insights that I’ve
had is that when this stuff happens, the social networks that I love and feel
safest, especially around sharing, are not public networks. Like, my favorite
social network is a private mailing list that a friend of mine set up, that is
friends of friends. Everybody knows
someone else through someone on their contacts, and it’s incredible. And I grow from it, and it feeds my soul, and
it makes me feel happy, and it makes me feel safe. And I share.
A similar thing: I subscribe to a friend of mine who
has a tine e-letter, which is like an e-mail newsletter, and she wrote a
response, actually, to Kathy’s post saying that she, you know, she didn’t have
a public response, but these are some of the thoughts that are going through
her head after reading it three or four times. And that was like one of those things, I was like, ‘Yes, this is going
on.’ It was a level of discourse that wasn’t going on in my public feeds. I
mean, part of it is that Twitter isn’t meant for long form. This discourse,
because it’s 140 characters, but it feels like the networks like Twitter and
Facebook are more about sort of public performance; whereas the networks where
I share with my friends and interact and sort of you know, and learn and grow,
are semi-public. Not totally public.
Leo: Google, at least, is responding. A
Google spokesperson. This is in the face of an attorney who sent a
letter threatening a hundred million dollar lawsuit to Google.
Jeff: Does he really represent the stars...[muffled]
Leo: We don’t know who he represents. He may not represent anybody, He might be an
ambulance chaser, but a Google spokesperson responded, saying, “We’ve removed
tens of thousands of pictures within hours of the request being made. We’ve
closed hundreds of accounts. The internet is used for many good things.
Stealing peoples’ private photos is not one of them. Typically they’ll wait until
they receive a copyright notice. In this case, because, it’s a violation of
community guidelines with respect to nudity and privacy, we’re turning this
around in days, in hours…not weeks.”
Gina: Wouldn’t it be nice if everyone got the same treatment
that Jennifer Lawrence gets?
Leo: Well, that’s another point somebody made after Robin
Williams passed away and his daughter was getting horribly harassed. Then
Twitter took action.
Gina: Right.
Leo: Umm, but, uhh…
Gina: because it’s a PR issue for the company.
Leo: because it’s a black mart. But when
normal people complain, no. And the other thing I came away with was,
boy, a HUGE amount of respect for any womean who
dares to raise her voice in public these days.
Jeff: Yes.
Leo: And I just, it makes me so sad, uhh,
you know you could talk about STEM education and all of that, but it has to
start in the public spaces, and it has to be safe.
Jeff: It does. It’s
the responsibility of all of us, and to defend someone. You know, if you’re in
an office place, and you see someone sexually harass a woman and you sit back
and don’t do anything, you’re complicit.
Leo: Yeah
Jeff: Right.
Leo: Just like that.
Jeff: It’s the same in virtual space.
Leo: Just like that.
Jeff: And you know, there’s a
discussion in the chat room about, ‘Well, what about the right to be forgotten,
Jarvis.’ And I was thinking about this today, and my argument was, I spoke to a
bunch of Germans last night about their problems, as far as I was concerned,
and talked about the right to be forgotten, and, umm, my general argument is
that there are already laws in place and we don’t need laws infringing
technologies and changing the technology, and that Jennifer Lawrence’s photos
were stolen, and it violated the rules, and Google takes it down. And there
isn’t a right to be forgotten. It’s just somebody coming along and saying for
whatever reason, ‘I didn’t like this.” And there isn’t a principle at work
except ‘I didn’t like it.’
Now, would it be nice if Weave’s stuff could be erased
all across the net? You could argue yes,
but you’re never going to succeed at that. It’s a whack-a-mole game that’s
never going to end. No erasure, no technology is going to solve that problem.
And there are free speech issues. You
know, we in America let the Nazis march in Skokie, because we know that most
people are smart enough to realize that they are the idiots. The problem, I
think, with the net today, Leo is, your point is—we’re not acting like the
idiots are idiots. We’re celebrating the idiots.
Leo: Somebody’s pointing out, and this happened before in a
very small way—in CB radio. Remember CBs? Record Breaker 1-9?
Gina: Oh, yeah!
Leo: Uh, it’s still around. It’s been re-branded as a family radio service, but if you go to those
CB channels, it’s horrific. It’s awful.
Jeff: Why did that happen to HAM radio?
Leo: Because you have to get a license. Because you had to pass a
test. You had to get a
license. And maybe even more
importantly, and I’ll ask the HAMs because our HAM Nation show is tonight and
they’re coming in the studio. But I
think there’s a very strong culture in HAM radio of following the rules and
doing the right thing, and this is okay,
and this is not okay.
Gina: Mmmm.
Leo: And it’s a culture that is perpetuated by the elders
in the HAM community, and passed along, and it’s…
Jeff: Ok, but stand down for a second, Leo. You could still
have somebody who needs their meds. Somebody who’s
psychopathic. They could pass the test, they’re smart. They could get
licensed, and they could go on HAM…
Leo: And they’ll be very quickly shunned by the Ham
community.
Jeff: Ok, now talk about that. What does that mean?
Gina: Yeah.
Jeff: Why did that happen in HAM? Why not here? Why aren’t the grand elders of
blogging and Tweeting behaving rather than saying, “Ah, fight night!”?
Leo: Well, good. That’s what we need to do. You know, I
don’t know why, but that’s what we need to do. I think partly because
HAMs…there’s something about HAMs. They...the
people who are attracted to HAM radio are often very public-minded. It’s a culture that’s fascinating. I’ve always
been fascinated. They’re...
Jeff: They’re people who wanted to connect with people, and
that was the essence of the net, too.
Gina: But no one had to take a test to get on the internet.
Leo: No, or on CB radio. And CB is useless now, by the way. It’s dead, to anybody except the trolls. This
is what happens with these guys. If you don’t do something about it, if you
don’t weed your garden, then all you have left is
weeds. All the flowers die.
Jeff: Well, that’s Kathy’s point, and I had learned that
lesson when I ran news sites, and I thought all people comment. Just let them
comment. Let it go. Let it go. No, it’s the broken glass problem of poor Guilianni. You do that long enough and people will ralize, ‘Oh, I can do anything here.’
Leo: Right. But Guilianni cleaned
up New York by getting rid of the squeegee men.
Jeff: Yes.
Gina: Right.
Leo: And other minor crimes like broken glass…
Gina: Graffiti, broken windows…
Jeff: I’ll tell you, on 49th Street, the squeegee
men tried to drag me out of my car and put my wife in premature labor.
Leo: Geez!
Jeff: It was not so minor. These were scum bucket people who
were there, ‘Oh, we’re just cleaning your windows...’ No. If you didn’t pay them, they tried to go
after you.
Leo: Wow! Well, New
York went through a real Renaissance after that—after this small policing
effort. Uhh, putting more cops on the street, and not
ignoring minor crimes. And I bring these
up because maybe these are models for what we need to do on the internet.
Gina: Hoh, this is a kind of different thing, though, isn’t
it, right? I mean, there’s no
government. There’s no police force.
Leo: But we can do it. We keep our neighborhood up. We do
this in our chat room, by the way, because you learn very quickly, because if
you don’t immediately ban just the people who are taking the subject off-topic,
the thing just disintegrates.
Gina: Right.
Leo: And most IRC is like that. If you go to a normal IRC
chatroom it’s like [cat growl]. But we got, thank goodness, 12 or 13 or 15 or
20 great moderators—all volunteers—who keep it on point. And that makes a big
difference. And people often
bridle. They say, ‘Well, free
speech. I should be able to get to do
whatever I want.’ And,
um, no.
Gina: Not in your living room. Yeah, not
in your living room.
Leo: No. And we have a goal for our chat. We want it to be
on topic, and to the point, and no ad homonym attacks, and that kind of thing…
Jeff: And we need to do that in general. “Cause look what
happened with the society in Hong Kong, and the young people there. Right? They knew what would come down upon them if they went
over certain lines, and so they self-enforced their own lines and said, ‘We’re
here to make our own point. We’re here to do this and not this. And it was an incredible community
starter. People
showering things and benefitting each other and using technology. MESH
networks, you know, and phenomenal efforts. We are a society on the net.
Now, the net is the whole world, so it’s all the good
and all the bad of society. But we have to set our own rules here. We have to
encourage the good and ignore or discourage the bad or discourage those who
encourage the bad.
Leo: Meanwhile, federal agents are fake-setting up fake
Facebook pages in real peoples’ names using real peoples’ pictures from their
real peoples’ phones.
Jeff: I guess my impostor is a federal agent, then.
Leo: This blows me away. A DEA agent commandeered a woman’s
identity. She was arrested but never convicted of a crime. They got her phone.
They took pictures off her phone. They put them on the fake—some fairly sexy
pictures—on the fake Facebook account.
Jeff: With her child.
Leo: They put pictures of her kids.
Gina: Oh, my God.
Leo: Um, she was apparently sentenced to probation. So she
was convicted, but she pled guilty. While she was awaiting trial, the DEA used this stuff that
They had guarded in the investigation to create a
Facebook page, in which they “friended” felons, but it was a honey pit...a
honey pot. The woman, now 28, sued, accusing him in Federal District Court of
violating her privacy and placing her in danger. The government says, ‘Hey,
when she was arrested she gave express permission for the use of photographs
contained on her phone simply by granting access to the phone and consenting to
the use of that information to aid of an ongoing criminal investigation.’
Whether she actually knew they were going to make a fake Facebook page is in
dispute.
Gina: I’m sure she did NOT.
Leo: I don’t think that’s what she thought [laughing].
Gina: I don’t think she imagined that was going to happen.
Leo: Yeah, or pictures of her kids. Umm…
Gina: Can we just all agree to leave the kids out of it? Can
we just leave the kids out of it?
Leo: [Groans]
Gina: I kind of feel like, ‘Say whatever you want about me.
Photoshop me to your heart’s content. Just keep the
kids out of it.
Leo: That was one of the things Sierra complained about—was
that her family was dragged into it. [sighs] Let’s
take a break. I don’t know. We’ve got to
find something fun.
Gina: Sorry, that was depressing. I didn’t mean to give you
a downer.
Leo: [laughing] You? I’m the one who brought it up!
Jeff: The whole fling.
Gina: I’m glad you did.
Leo: No, when I read that, I thought, ‘We’re talking about
that today.’
Gina: I’m glad.
Leo: Yeah. Hey, I do
want to talk a little bit about what you can tell about you from your Facebook
“likes.” Quite a bit, and we’ve got our change log
coming up in just a little bit.
Gina: Yeah
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for...! The Google Changelog!
Announcer: The Google Changelog!
(music)
Leo: He says it so much better than me. And now ladies and
gentlemen, Gina Trapani with the latest from Google.
Gina: Well, I've run out of things to complain about regarding Google Voice because
the one thing that I've always complained about, I think all of us complained
about, the one thing this would be a perfect product if... is getting resolved.
Google Voice is finally supporting MMS, multimedia messages baby! Photos, in Google Voice, across 100 different North American
carriers. There's a lot. Google's been working with a ton of carriers,
including AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile...
Leo: And as Jeff would say, a really big but.
Gina: There's a big red check mark sized but. It doesn't work on Verizon.
Leo: Aaaah!! 100 carriers, except
Verizon.
Gina: Except Verizon, which is a big except unfortunately. But you know, so you get
many MMS messages, not all of them. Which is an improvement. Before you got none.
Jeff: Well good, you won't go over your bandwidth limits on Verizon then, see?
Leo: What is with Verizon?
Gina: (sighs)
Leo: Alright, go ahead. Sorry.
Gina: I'm going to save that rant for Jeff.
Leo: Yeah.
Gina: But we want to feed the fire a little bit more, the Verizon fire.
Leo: T-Mobile.
Gina: A little update to Google Play, especially movies, you can now pre-order movies
on Google Play. This feature's only going to be available in the US, although
other countries will be added soon Google says. It means if you see a title
that's going to come out on Google Play, you can pre-order it and you don't get
charged until it gets released and you get an email letting you know that the
movie is in your library. They're going to be shooting to offer things for
pre-order that are in theaters now. It should hopefully go somewhere.
Jeff: You know what I want next Gina?
Gina: What?
Jeff: Here's what I want next. When there are some obscure... because I live way out
in the suburbs. When there is some obscure foreign movie that I'm interested
in, that I'm never going to go into Manhattan to watch because I leave
Manhattan to come home.
Gina: Right.
Jeff: And it's not going to be out on video for 9 months, I want to bookmark that in
Google Play. So when it comes out it says “Hello, bozo! It's here! Your stupid boring foreign movie!” And then, you know,
that's actually useful. So next step Google. We're never satisfied.
Gina: Yeah I mean, my tastes are much less intellectual than
yours. But there will be times when I'm like when's the next Hunger Games
movie, just do a Google search for the next Hunger Games movie and sometimes
there will be that Remind Me button. So I'll say okay, yeah remind me. They
always come out in like November and then it's exciting because whenever the
week in November it gets released and it will let you know. I don't know if
that will work with the not huge blockbuster movies though. I don't know if it
will work for your indie foreign films. But that should work for every movie
honestly. Let's see what else we have. Oh, so Google Now can now surface your
past and upcoming bills from your Gmail account.
Leo: That's going to drive people crazy. “What, they know my bills? How could they
possibly?”
Jeff: Yeah.
Gina: The Google app for Android and iOS now has access to your Gmail account because
you gave it access to your Gmail account and if you get an email with a payment
due and an amount, information about a bill...
Leo: That's creepy!
Gina: ...you'll get a card in Google Now letting you know. I need help...
Leo: I love this.
Gina: I automate everything, but every once in a while there's that month where
something happens and I just don't have enough money so I'll take it. I'll take
whatever reminders I can get.
Leo: I think the next step is to pay my bills Google.
Gina: Just do it.
Leo: Just pay it.
Gina: Move the money, do what you've got to do.
Leo: Do whatever it takes.
Gina: Yep, yep.
Jeff: I had a thousand great reasons to get married but number one was my wife
handles my bills now because I was awful at it. You get yourself a CEO as a
girlfriend.
Leo: Let me tell you. Nothing like it. Everybody
that should have somebody that understands money in their life.
Jeff: Who does the money stuff in your house Gina?
Gina: I actually really enjoy the per person finance stuff so I do it.
Jeff: I thought you'd be the one.
Leo: Me too.
Gina: Yeah, I enjoy organizing those things.
Leo: She can do arithmetic.
Gina: Something tells me I'm not as good at it as Lisa, so good job Leo.
Leo: Well, anybody's better than me. Have you ever had your water or your
electricity turned off because you forgot to pay?
Gina: No. Okay, okay. Yeah see you did good.
Jeff: No. You did?
Leo: Oh many times.
Jeff: Huh. (laughing)
Gina: But you had plenty of money. You just forgot to pay.
Leo: Oh it's not that I didn't have the money, I forgot to pay. For
months.
Jeff: Was it that you forgot, or that you said “Oh I'll do it tomorrow.”
Leo: I don't know.
Gina: Who's thinking about your water bill, until you don't have water?
Leo: They get your attention when the water stops. And then you have to go down and
say I'm sorry, here's the money. Please turn my water on. “We'll send a guy out
on Monday!” But it's Friday! “That's when they work.” (fake crying)
Gina: I do pretty much automate everything but every once in a while I get like oh I
have to transfer some money. Yeah, of course.
Leo: I was using a service called Paytrust. I don't know
if they're still … well I know they're still around, I still pay them $10 a
month. For nothing. But they were in Sioux City or
Sioux Falls, Idaho, and I thought why are they there?
And I realized because there's a big prison there, and all my bills were going
to this prison and being entered by prisoners.
Gina: Oh jeez.
Jeff: Oh my.
Leo: What could possibly go wrong?
Gina: What could go wrong? (laughs)
Leo: Anyway.
Gina: Anyway. So reminders about your bills so Leo's water never
gets turned off.
Leo: Thank you Google! If you don't have a Lisa at least you've got a Google.
Gina: Yeah if you don't have Lisa, you have Google Now. I don't know, Google Now will
never be as good as Lisa, but we're getting there.
Leo: No, she's amazing. Never misses a bill.
Gina: A little update to Chromecast. I know, I think Jeff was kind of making fun of
this a little bit last time. I think that we talked about this a while ago that
it was on its way. You could basically set the images that your Chromecast
shows, kind of like a screen saver or slideshow.
Leo: Well it already shows gorgeous pictures.
Gina: It does, it shows some gorgeous pictures but now you can customize them to be
your own photos. Your own photo albums from Google Plus, or you can choose
artwork from galleries in museums, via they call it Google Cultural Institute.
You can choose news and lifestyle images from The New York Times, The Guardian
in the US or you can choose, I like this one,
satellite imagery from the hardest to reach places on Earth from Google Maps. I
like a good Maps slideshow. So in order to do that, in your
Chromecast app open the Chromecast app on your phone or tablet and select
backdrop from the left menu. And then you can choose what images you
want to see. And Jeff I see you just added something to the changelog here.
Jeff: I added something because I don't understand something. Somebody on Twitter,
who was it here, nice person on Twitter, Blankenship I think it was, Brian
Blankenship said there was an update to Chromebook, update makes it easier to
juggle multiple accounts and Brian said we'll let Jeff Jarvis be the judge of
if it's easy to do now.
Leo: But they've always been able to do that, I don't understand.
Jeff: I don't know what's new about this.
Leo: When you first turn on your
Chromebook it shows you the...
Jeff: Well that's not easy... you should be able to go back and forth within in one
session.
Leo: Oh maybe that's what they can do. I just log into my account or there's a guest
account or you can have other accounts.
Jeff: I horned my way into the changelog here.
Gina: I'm glad you did.
Jeff: What is the SAML standard, do you know?
Leo: ASMAL.
Gina: The enhanced identity features primarily focus on enabling the SAML standard.
Used by common enterprise. Oh that's why I don't know what it is.
Leo: It's Enterprise.
Gina: Enterprise Authorization Providers. So it sounds like this is a way for you to
switch between your personal account and your organization's. Your sort of Google for work account. Easily, using that Enterprise Standard. I actually don't
know what SAML is.
Leo: Something security authorization markup language.
Gina: There you go, oh of course it's a markup language. It's a mole.
Leo: It's a mole.
Gina: It's a mole.
Leo: Security Assertion Markup Language.
Gina: Enables users to bring their own Chromebooks to the office.
Leo: I bet you it means you could authenticate with some additional hardware.
Jeff: If you click on the link on the bottom of that. There's a link to the Google
blog post.
Leo: Single sign on solution.
Gina: Right, right. More manageable for IT. Okay, they want
to bring Chromebooks and the enterprise that's already using Google Sign On.
Jeff: Alright, never mind.
Gina: That's neat. No, it counts. It's a change, it counts. Thank
you Jeff. That's all I've got.
Leo: And that is the Google changelog, thank you Gina
Trapani.
(Changelog outro)
Leo: So how much does Facebook really know about you? A study by researchers at the
University of Cambridge gathered data from 60,000 Facebook users and with their
likes alone predicted a variety of personal traits including gender, religion,
sexual orientation and substance abuse. So I thought I'd try this. The article
in sleight talking about this explains something kind of weird. If you like
curly fries you're likely to be intelligent. And that seems counter intuitive
since those things will kill you. But it turns out that people swim in packs
and so at some point somebody who was really smart did a like of curly fries and their equivalently smart friends because smart people seem
to like each other, were influenced by that. They liked curly fries and this is
an actual signal, and eventually enough smart people liked curly fries that it
seems more likely that if you like curly fries you'll be smart. Huh?
Jeff: Well I would say Facebook doesn't know about me.
Leo: Ha, well let me see. Because I ran the program. They
have two versions of this, there's one called youarewhatyoulike.com and one called
applymagicsauce.com. They're both from Cambridge. Apply Magic Sauce gives you a
JSON feed of your traits which you can parse in your brain, but this one is a
little bit easier. So apparently I am conservative and traditional. Not liberal
and artistic.
Jeff: Same here.
Leo: That seems wrong to me.
Jeff: It's way wrong and it says, by the way, that I am
because one of my conservative traditional friends is Chris Hughes.
Leo: Well I've made the mistake of befriending some republicans. There's my problem
right there. By the way Alex Gumple you're my most
liberal and artistic friend as is Will Harris. How about that huh? You're very
liberal and artistic, did you know that Alex? Based on your
likes. I am well organized, apparently Facebook does not know about
those bills.
Jeff: So am I, we just argued against that. We can't even do our bills.
Leo: I am not spontaneous and flexible, I am shy and reserved.
Jeff: I'm shy and reserved too.
Leo: But you notice these aren't overwhelming percentages one way or another. So
it's not a strong signal right? And also how I use Facebook may not reflect my
real personality. I am assertive and competitive.
Jeff: Gina go and do this because you're going to be the
same.
Leo: We're all the same.
Jeff: We're all the same.
Leo: Well we would be because we're in a cohort.
Gina: Yeah it's true, we're in a cohort.
Leo: I am calm and relaxed as opposed to emotional and stressed.
Jeff: Well I'm not.
Leo: Really? What a shock. My most common relaxed friends are Kevin Rose and Steve Wozniack. It says so right here.
Gina:Nice
Leo: Personality twins, Jeff Jarvis you showed up!
Gina: Nice!
Leo: And David Pogue I think. Jeff Jarvis, David Pogue, Carlie Perkins who works for
us, Martin Sergeant from TechTV and Jenny Moyer who
is a friend and then my opposite, Alex Gumple, well
look at him. Dan Farber of Cnet, Kevin Rose, wait a minute he's my opposite? So this is very interesting.
I don't find this very accurate. Who is yours?
Jeff: Randy Zuckerberg.
Leo: Is who you are?
Jeff: My personality twin, yeah.
Leo: Huh.
Gina: I don't use Facebook so much but I really liked analyzewords.com which looks at
Twitter.
Leo: See you do, in fact I saw you or somebody and Neil talking about whether you're
analytics or not. At thinkup.
Gina: Uh huh, yeah.
Leo: So which, analyze words was it?
Gina: Yeah, analyzewords.com. You pop in your twitter handle and it tells you, kind
of gives you a personality analysis.
Leo: This stuff is very close to astrology I think.
Gina: (laughing)
Jeff: Yeah.
Gina: It says I'm very upbeat, very worried and a little bit angry and not so
depressed.
Leo: Well on Twitter I'm extremely angry and extremely upbeat. I'm highly plugged
in, highly personable, I am only an average spacey/valley girl.
Gina: I think I got high on spacey valley girl.
Leo: I think this is so.... apparently my thinking style is very high for analytic.
That's the strongest signal.
Gina: Mhm.
Leo: And look at all the tweets it's analyzed. Huh, then you can analyze a friend.
And compare yourself. I don't know.
Jeff: I'm plugged in.
Leo: You eye. Let me compare myself to infosec Taylor
Swift. She's very angry. (laughing)
Gina: Yeah we were having this discussion about whether or not thinkup is analytics. I mean certainly it is but we were talking more about how that
turns off, because it's a consumer product but it's called analytics, there's
some dissonance there. John Gruber actually said when you say social analytics
I hear tool for d-bags.
Leo: Yeah. It's like a step above SEO.
Gina: Yeah exactly, and he compared it to SEO. Exactly. He
said that there's plenty of good worthwhile SEO but the word has become so
sullied at this point, and that's happened to analytics and we've had a really
hard time explaining what thinkup is, it's not an
analytics dashboard that a brand with a CMO is going to use. It's for regular
people, but regular people aren't asking for or looking for or relate to
analytics. So yeah we changed our taglines to daily insights about you and your
friends.
Leo: Insights are better.
Gina: I think so.
Leo: It isn't exactly analytics because it's not analytical in that sense. You don't
get a graph or anything. It's just little insights, little nuggets.
Gina: Mhm, exactly.
Leo: I have more followers than 89% of the people I follow.
Gina: Mhm.
Leo: That's a new one, you just added that one.
Gina: That is a new one, yeah. So 2,000 of your friends would...
Leo: Would reach a bigger audience if I re-tweeted them.
Gina: Mhm, mhm.
Leo: Hm. And for some reason I reply to that guy a lot. And I don't even know who he
is. Probably a troll. And here's the...
Jeff: What was your percentage Leo?
Leo: Huh?
Jeff: What was your percentage?
Leo: 89%, I have more followers than 89% of the people I follow.
Jeff: Maybe 4%.
Leo: That makes sense.
Gina: Yeah that's like with great power...
Leo: Comes great responsibility.
Gina: Yeah.
Leo: My most popular tweet 4 years ago, one word: Imagine.
Gina: Huh, that must have been...
Leo: It was probably the 20th anniversary of John Lennon's killing. I
would guess.
Gina: That must have been it.
Leo: Or 30th? Yeah it would have been 30th. Holy
cow.
Gina: Yeah, wow.
Leo: Anyway.
Gina: Anyway.
Jeff: I just learned from Gina that I'mReadyForHillary is
following me.
Leo: I'mReadyForHillary. Right on.
Jeff: I am.
Leo: Is that Sir Edmund Hillary, conqueror of Everest?
Jeff: Craig Newmark, wrote a great post yesterday. And my favorite line was
“Not the John Locke on Lost.”
(Leo and Gina laugh)
Leo: Not that John Locke.
Jeff: It was just...
Leo: I like it.
Jeff: So.
Leo: More bizarre news from the HTC announcement. They have announced a new camera
called the HTC Re, I kid you not, this is a little
black plastic periscope. Kind of a go pro, $199.
Jeff: They make a point of saying “If you're going to climb a mountain, use a go pro,
this is just for you nebbishes who don't do anything.
Leo: Yeah if you don't ride crazy bicycles off.... it's a strange form factor there.
Gina: What do you do with that?
Leo: You tap the button on the back to take a still, you long press it to record a
video in 1080p or you front press the button on the device to record in slo-mo. So it's a very simple UI. There's no viewfinder. I
don't know how you then can... oh, the camera can automatically backup to
Google Drive, Dropbox or your phone. When you're connected to WiFi.
Gina: The camera connects to WiFi or the camera's Bluetooth
to your phone?
Leo: This is an internet of things play. You're going to see more and more of this
stuff where this stuff sits on a network and then the intelligence is not in
the camera, it's in the phone.
Jeff: Yes.
Leo: And then they're both on the same network, and then the phone goes “Oh I see my
Re, and let me send the pictures to Dropbox” or whatever.
Jeff: I still contend that you're going to end up wearing your computer. It's going
to be that big.
Leo: Yeah.
Jeff: And you're going to have one computer with a great battery in it and it's going
to talk to peripherals, and everything else in life becomes a peripheral.
Leo: I want to replace my spleen with a computer, can I do that?
Gina: Who needs a spleen anyway?
Leo: You don't need the spleen. It's just kind of extra.
Jeff: Why do I have to vent it all the time then?
Leo: You're venting your spleen again huh?
Gina: I don't know what that means, I don't want to ask.
Leo: No, don't. It's not, it's...
Jeff: It's okay Gina it's okay.
Leo: It's okay.
Jeff: You ever heard that phrase?
Leo: It's okay.
Gina: It's okay.
Leo: He's venting his spleen.
Jeff: Which means you're being a...
Gina: It's a phrase okay.
Leo: It's ranting.
Gina: I was worrying that it was a Jeff medical procedure, I wasn't sure.
Jeff: It's not one of those prostate moments, don't worry.
Gina: Okay. (laughs)
Jeff: But, you know, now that you've raised that, we could go down there but we
won't. We won't.
Gina: Yes, vent your spleen, Google tells me.
Leo: So, James Frey. How do you pronounce his name?
Jeff: I think it's “fry.”
Leo: “Fry” or “fray.” It's spelled Frey. I liked his novel, which was A Million
Little Pieces is that what it was called?
Gina: Yeah, he's the dude that made up a bunch of stuff?
Leo: Yeah he got, it was a really good... it was supposed to be a memoir, but it
really was just a novel. And so for some reason I don't really understand he
got in trouble for that.
Jeff: Because Oprah loved him, and he came on Oprah and then he had to go back on
Oprah and get beat up by Oprah because he lied to Oprah and the world.
Leo: But you know what, it was a really good novel.
Gina: But he went with the marketing part around it being a memoir, he didn't correct
anybody on what they said.
Leo: I guess he's rehabilitated now. Because Google's working with him on a project
which would combine, it's this is all a, what do they call it, transmedia. It
combines interactive novels with augmented reality games. This is the next step
for ingress. By the way you have a bunch of ingress devotees around here. How
many miles have you walked Jeff on Ingress? Like you said you've lost 173lbs or
something?
Jeff: Wow.
Studio: It's always in
kilometers so he never knows.
Leo: We don't know, it's kilometers. How many kilometers?
Studio: 91 in the last
month.
Leo: He said 91 kilometers in the last couple weeks.
Studio: 91 this month.
Leo: Playing that stupid game where you try to take over post offices and IHOPs.
Anyway, so the next thing is going to be Endgame: The Calling. Augmented
reality interactive game, the idea is to build a whole world around these
novels. So they're going to have puzzles but I guess they'll be in the real
world.
Jeff: The video right there, she is not a good actress.
Leo: Okay let's see.
(Video begins)
Girl in video: Dad was
right.
Leo: She's acting right now.
Girl in video: I didn't want
to believe him, but he was right. The world has been mutating.
(Leo, Gina and Jeff
laughing)
Girl in video: The last
10,000 years the world has been mutating and now it's unrecognizable.
Leo: Is it the actor or is it the script, really?
Jeff: I think it's both. On top of each other.
Girl in video: He was always
telling me that I can't help things.
Leo: Okay I can't watch any more, what is going to happen here?
Jeff: She's really, I'm sorry she's bad.
Leo: I'm sure she's a very nice person.
Jeff: I'm sure she's very nice, she's about as lucky as the runway models on the...
Leo: What she's doing is hard though.
Jeff: Hard, I agree.
Leo: It's a terrible script and she's trying to make it real in a camera and there's
like five Google guys looking at her. So it's hard.
Jeff: It's hard.
Leo: She needs a James Cameron to come in there and work with her.
Jeff: It's hard to say the world is metamorphosing and look sane.
Leo: I wouldn't want to be in those shoes. I would be just as bad as that.
Jeff: So they have a site.
Leo: Nyantic labs.
Jeff: It doesn't do anything until you buy the book.
Leo: Yeah.
Jeff: When you buy the book, it's very unclear to me what actually happens here and
what you get.
Leo: Wait a minute now this is at Nyantic project, there's
something called the Jarvis resurrection.
Jeff: What??
(Leo and Gina laughing)
Leo: What?? Let's click on this and see. Parting words number five.
Jeff: That means I'm dead, thank you very much.
Leo: Wait a minute, the Jarvis virus? What the hell is that? It turns all the blue
ones green, it's very rare. Wow. You are a very... oh wait a minute, bring it
back. Bring back the Jarvis virus, there it is. The Google guys, they have
something with the name Jarvis don't they.
Jeff: They do, and it's not me.
Leo: Is it because of Iron Man?
Gina: Yeah it's Iron Man right?
Leo: Oh. Just, that's nothing. Okay, she's still talking but now she's stopped. And
now it's ancient societies. I don't know what it means.
Jeff: The world is changing.
Leo: It's mutating!
Jeff: Dad was right!
(Leo and Gina laughing)
Leo: D... d... dad was.... riiight. Anything
else?
Jeff: I was an unlikable person as a critic.
Leo: Yeah, have you read Mr. Schmidt's new book?
Jeff: I started it.
Leo: I went to speak at Google and all I got was one a stinking book though.
(Gina laughing)
Leo: How Google Works Eric Schmidt and Jonathan Rosenberg.
Jeff: It's very much a managementy book.
Leo: Yeah, see that's not my thing. If they would actually say how Google works I
would read that.
Jeff: Go look up Larry's forward.
Gina: Does he actually talk about, I mean is it just celebrating all the awesomeness
that Google is, or are there any lessons learned, are there any failures, what
they came out of it, or is it just about how great Google is?
Jeff: How you get creative people. No, it's more presumption. Because you want to be
us, you might ask, what would we do?
Leo: (laughing) It's been done.
Jeff: This is how you can do that, this is how you hire really smart people, this is how you do blank blank blank.
Leo: There's chapters called Culture Strategy Talent,
Decisions, Communications, Innovation. The funny thing is the Wall Street
Journal assigned Steven Sinofsky, the failed architect of Windows 8 to the
review. And now we know what Sinofsky's been up to. It's actually the shortest
thing Sinofsky's ever written. They must have had somebody add to it.
Jeff: Let me go to the Larry, I've got it here. Because they did a
half price deal if you pre-ordered it on Play. So I bought it.
Leo: It's not nice to remainder a book before it even comes out.
Jeff: So if you go, by the way, to Jonathan Rosenberg's, or no Erin Schmidt's Google
Plus feed he has a really funny cartoon.
Leo: Alright, alright. I'm up for that.
Jeff: Here's... here Larry says: “Over time I've learned surprisingly that it's
tremendously hard to get hard to get teams to be super ambitious, it turns out
most people haven't been educated in this kind of moonshot thinking. They tend
to assume that things are impossible rather than starting from real world
physics and trying out what's actually possible. It's why we put so much energy
into hiring independent thinkers at Google and setting big goals, because if you
hire the right people and have big enough dreams, you'll usually get there. I
envision this kind of grin now. And even if you fail, you'll probably learn
something important.
Leo: Alright, I'm bored. Moving along.
Gina: I would like them to hire a creative thinker that can come up with word other
than moonshots.
Leo: Yeah.
Gina: Can they really make that happen? I'm tired of hearing moonshot. Let's come up
with a different word.
Jeff: I want them to hire a creative thinker who can figure out how to do multiple
accounts.
Leo: Oh that.
(Gina laughing)
Jeff: When I spoke at Google last week, at the work group and I just said I'm going
to start there, I'm going to berate you people. I want multiple accounts to
work well and it doesn't work well. I'm pissed.
Leo: And what was their response? Did they look at their shoes?
Jeff: That's why they made the announcement today huh? It must have worked.
Leo: Hmmm.
Jeff: Do you also see, interesting too I think Leo, it's similar to the Endgame thing
is Google doing cross media, cross platform marketing for the movie
Interstellar. And this starts to show how Google Plus becomes a monetizable thing.
Leo: Ah, so not an ad, but native content?
Jeff: It's Interstellar.withgoogle.com.
Leo: Interstellar.withgoogle.com that's a good title.
Jeff: There's a story there too.
Leo: So the idea of transmedia, Lucas is a perfect example is you have a world, a
universe like the Star Wars universe but you give people a variety of ways to
get involved with it, not just watching the movie, not just reading a comic
book or a novelization but also action figures, video games, Lego pieces,
whatever you can think of that will get people introduced to the world and then
of course they consume the rest of it. So what do I do? Launch space hunt? Alright.
Gina: I'm going to let you do this. I'm going to watch you.
Leo: What is it? Now what? Here we are at Saturn, distance
from the Earth is ... a lot. If you had to walk here in
Ingress... Star HD 11506
Identified. Oh and now I can download this, is this like a
wallpaper? It is. So is this going to be a movie, Interstellar?
Jeff: Yes.
Leo: So now it's just by doing this it's convinced me to download this crappy
wallpaper.
Jeff: Remember those days when you had wallpaper?
Leo: Wallpaper. Oh wait a minute, back to the moon, what's this? That's not the moon
Leo! Back to the Death Star. The universe is always
expanding, keep searching. Jupiter's red spot is actually a massive high
pressure storm, it's been going on for hundreds of
years.
Jeff: No no, not Matthew McConaughey.
I can't abide him. Have you seen his Cadillac commercial?
Leo: No, it's not a Cadillac it's a Lincoln.
Jeff: See how effective it is? Oh my lord.
Leo: That is a little bit of an annoying commercial. I loved him in True Detective.
I think he's a good actor, but he is kind of an annoying person. I don't know
what this is, and this is, companies every ten years,
companies come back to this. We'll make this mysterious puzzle.
Jeff: You will immerse yourself in us.
Leo: You will immerse yourselves in, and then we can sneak ads onto your system.
Remember the BMW ad that was at the very bottom of the page? And you'd say what is this strange thing? And you'd click it. This has
been going on since the Internet was invented. Now I can hear the golden
record. So some of this is real content. Oh well it
just pushed me to YouTube.
(Golden record plays)
Leo: (laughing)
Jeff: They could have been a little more excited.
Leo: The sounds of Earth.
Jeff: Welcome to Earth it is very boring.
Leo: By the time Vger exited the galaxy we no longer were
using vinyl records so we should have sent a CD.
Golden Record: ...and we
believe this committee...
(Different voice): My dear
friends in outer space, as you probably know my country is situated on the west
coast of the continent of Africa.
Leo: I don't think they know that.
Jeff: No they don't know that.
Leo: I don't think they know that.
Jeff: What's a continent, what's a country?
Leo: Continent? Africa? What's that? Samsung 60% profit drop as sales slow.
Gina: Yikes.
Leo: Yikes! People are finally catching onto the crap that is the Galaxy phone
series. Or no.
(Gina laughing)
Leo: That's mean. I shouldn't say it that way. But I feel that way. Deep down.
Gina: We couldn't tell.
Leo: But that's weird, I mean I thought you couldn't stop them. They were a
juggernaut. They spent more than a billion dollars in ads last year.
Gina: We talked a little bit last night but Android, they're
kind of getting hit by both ends. Their high end phones are available much
cheaper from new manufacturers, the OnePlusOne for
example, and also the iPhone now that you've got a bigger iPhone, people might
be switching to get the big screen size.
Leo: But this happened, oh well no this is a prognostication. It hasn't happened
yet.
Gina: It hasn't happened yet. But it is going to happen. But it's an issue of they're
just not selling phones.
Leo: Right.
Gina: Which is amazing given the amount of marketing and advertising they do.
Leo: Alright well let's take a break, when we come back, are you ready for a tip and
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Gina: So my tip of the week is an Android Wear app, that I really like and I'm
actually ripping this off from Arron Carston who was
on All About Android last night, this was his app in
the arena. It's called Wear Mini Launcher, it's a launcher for all your Wear
apps that you just, you pull over to the side and you get a grid of icons in
order to launch your apps. So by default on Wear, you have to go to okay
Google, and then slide down, and then go through all these menus and go to more
and it's a bunch of swiping and this Wear mini launcher actually just, you swipe
in from the left, you get a grid of icons, you can launch whatever app that you
want and I use the stopwatch, I use FlopsyDroid.
Leo: FlopsyDroid, what's that?
Gina: It's like Flappy Bird but for your watch. I've got Google Keep, your settings,
I've got a baby lock app which is really what I need, and I need to be able to
launch that baby lock as quickly as possible.
Leo: Lock it!
Gina: Yeah, because the Moto 360 will not have the same fate as the M8 had. So yeah I
like it a lot. If you have Android Wear check it out.
And I have to say, I'm backtracking here, I sort of mocked the Apple Watch a
little bit because I said “Oh look at that grid of icons, that's crazy that's
stupid!” I've got to say this is basically a grid of icons of your third party
apps but I really like. It's a really quick way to just launch something rather
than have to go through the regular default rigamoroo.
That's not default Google app that's in a card for Google Now. So that's the
Wear Mini Launcher and it is free in the Play store.
Jeff: Installed, just installed it.
Leo: I really like it. Also, as long as we're talking about Wear stuff. Intellicom makes some customizable watch faces which I
really like on the Moto 360. It comes with its own really pretty nice watch
faces, including a dual face that lets you do two times. But this is from Intellicom, you could put the Ferrari logo or the Google
logo there, I actually have an LCD that shows the East Coast time. I showed
this earlier, battery life on my watch. It's free, it's really great. Intellicom, I think it's called Wear Faces. But I like the
fact that it's really, this is, we're starting to see customizations for this.
For instance you have to download a little program but normally if you say,
take a note it goes to Google Keep, but you can have it use Evernote. Phil
Lyman was on the triangulation on Monday, he told me, it's replaced a little
Evernote stub that doesn't even show up as an app on your app launcher. But
somehow modifies Evernote so that can be the note application. I'd like to see
more of those, that's really great.
Gina: Yeah that's really cool.
Jeff: My watch by the way, nothing happens, yesterday just suddenly I realized I
haven't had any notifications on it all day, and I couldn't get it going. And
it had a little mute thing on, I couldn't remember how
to get it off so I had to rebuild the watch.
Leo: You slide it, okay let me show you.
Gina: Yeah you slide it down.
Leo: You slide it down.
Jeff: What it was...
Leo: Okay you've go the watch face,
two things to know about with the watch face. You already know you double tap
it or just say “Okay Google.” If you press and hold, oops never mind, I wasn't
talking to you this time. This one time! You press and hold, you can change the watch face.
Jeff: I do that, right.
Leo: And if you slide down, you can mute or unmute notifications.
Jeff: Oh. Oh never mind. Well now it's not unmuting. I can't get it to unmute. Oh
okay, got it, alright. Thank you! Never mind.
Leo: I actually am, are you guys liking your Moto 360?
Jeff: Yeah.
Leo: Yeah, when we were in London we used it for navigation. So you could have
Google Maps, you tell it navigate to the tower of London and it will show you
an alert... okay Google, navigate home. It will show you an alert as you get
close to the corner you've got to turn on. Let me just put my home address in
here. And I'm going to navigate, you can choose
driving, bicycling, I'll choose walking. Navigate, and now what it's going to
do is it's going to calculate the route, and as you're walking your wrist will
buzz as it's time to make a turn. It'll even talk to you. So it tells you which
direction to go. And then, you guys with Glass are probably already familiar
with this but I think that's really a good use for the watch.
Gina; Yeah that's me. At first
I was like wait, do I just need to walk like this the whole time? And no.
Leo: It buzzes you.
Gina: Yeah, you walk in the direction you're supposed to go in, and it buzzes you
when you're supposed to turn. It's really nice.
Leo: It was great for getting around London where we didn't know where we were
going, it really worked well. Your number of the week Mr.
Jeffery Jarvis.
Jeff: Oh right, I'm on. Okay so well I'm going to be a boring old poof talking about
my favorite topic the right to be forgotten. Just a little number update here,
so far 135,000 requests representing 470,000 URLs, this is the new part, Google
has refused 30% of them about 50% have been taken down, and the rest required
more details. This comes from a story talking about how some Irish people were
complaining that Google didn't do what they wanted.
Leo: Well there. So there.
Jeff: There.
Leo: My tool comes from Paul Thurott, on Windows Weekly of
all things. It's a Microsoft product that is kind of cool. Microsoft Xim, spelled X-I-M, a free download, it's for Windows Phone
or Android, I put it on my Android and you're going to like this. In fact, if
you check your Gmail, Gina, you might have a Xim invitation.
Gina: Oh.
Leo: From me, what it does is it allows you to share pictures and control that share
on your phone, the other person does not need to have Xim installed. They just need to check the, I can text, or email. And I'm going to
create a new Xim, I can get the Xim from if you show my phone, I can choose it from my camera roll, OneDrive,
because it's a Microsoft product, DropBox, Facebook,
Instagram, I'm going to choose my London slideshow, these are pictures I took
in London. Select them all, I'm going to have them go to Gina and Paul, and
let's start it, and now in theory you don't even have to be in the same network
and you don't even have to have Xim installed, and
you should get a text and it's web based. Oh, I think
we pick them and now it started. And it's web based
and so you'll get a link to a website and then I control the slideshow. Isn't
that cool?
Gina: Hm, very cool.
Leo: Are you getting it? Did you get it?
Gina: I'm trying to find, I haven't gotten the email.
Leo: It would have come to your Gmail, maybe I screwed up. I couldn't get Paul to
see it either but, this is nice because you don't have to hand your phone
around the table, you can just add your friends. If they're in your contacts
list it's quite easy and you can just show them your pictures.
Gina: Weird, I don't see the email.
Leo: I don't know, maybe it doesn't work. It's free to try.
Gina: I tried, I searched, I don't know.
Leo: I might have done something wrong with the address.
Gina: Very cool though.
Leo: X-I-M. Microsoft Xim. Alright, that's it. We're done.
Thank you very much lady and gentleman. No, no iOS, sorry folks. Gina Trapani
is at ThinkUp that's a great place to go where you
get your free ThinkUp trial account and get insights
into what you're sharing on Facebook and Twitter. And make yourself a better
sharer.
Gina: And I'm blogging again at my old old domain which is
new again. Scribbling.net.
Leo: What?
Gina: Yeah, I'm actually doing the Ohm's 30 day blogging challenge, I'm three days in
and actually today I got a pass because my talk from XOXO got released on
YouTube so it's now on my blog so yeah, I decided SmarterWear decided too much like underwear, you got me on that Leo.
Leo: I said that? I'm so mean.
Gina: This is my new site.
Jeff: Oh, cool.
Gina: So my XOXO talk is there on my blog and I've got a transcript of the talk if
you'd like to read and set a watch. A couple other posts,
just little things.
Jeff: What's this, scribbling.net?
Gina: Yep, that was my first blog ever that I started in 2001, the domain was anyway. Going back to old new first principles.
Leo: Very cool. You know, I hadn't mentioned but we had the with known people on and
I actually set up a With Known blog at leoville.net I really like this, the old
idea, this is you post on your own site and then it syndicates it out to
Facebook or whatever and so I've been posting pictures and stuff, there's kind
of like a tumble blog but what's cool about is when you do post something, you
can have it go out to Twitter, Facebook, Flickr and I imagine they will add
more in time and Foursquare you can even do check ins via open street map.
Gina: Yeah, I've been seeing your posts around the different networks and seeing that
they're originating from your With Known site and I've had to say that they're
really, they look really good. They look very native. They don't look like
they're syndicated. I just really like how you've been, how it looks like the
software works really well.
Leo: I think so, I mean it's very early days, it's an open source project but all
you need is a Lamp server and you do have to have PHP 5.4 a fairly recent version, that was a little stumbling block at first, thanks
to Bear who helped me set that up, we were able to get that going. And it is
primitive, it's early days. There's lots of features
I'd like to see, but I like the idea of posting on my site. The pictures live
on my site, the posts live on my site, but they get syndicated out to Facebook
and Twitter and Flickr, and I think that's a good way to do it. Let's see,
we're done. Mr. Jeff Jarvis oh he's gone. Well, bye Jeff.
Gina: I heard the sad hangouts goodbye sound.
Leo: Jeff Jarvis, we hardly knew ye. He is professor of
journalism city university of New York. The author of What Would Google Do?, Public Parts couple of great books. Gutenberg the Geek which is an
Amazon single and he blogs at buzzmachine.com and is really a public
intellectual, somebody who's really out there in the world and talking about
heavy stuff, deep stuff. Even though people may not like it. He's holding his own. Thank you all for being here, we do This Week in Google
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