This Week in Google 252 (Transcript)

Leo Laporte: It’s time for TWiG - This Week in Google. Jeff and Gina are here. We're going to talk about Google IO, what kinds of things we can expect - including a new Android TV, those self-driving cars, and a whole lot more, including our Google Change log. It’s all coming up next, on TWiG.

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Leo: This is TwiG - This Week in Google, Episode 252, recorded June 4, 2014

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Leo: It’s time for TWiG - This Week in Google, the sleepy eye edition. Sleepy eyed, in Germany, it’s mister Jeff Jarvis from the University, New York. Actually looks like an immenolse gree. You look very serious in your black, and your black headphones.

Jeff Jarvis: I did just get out of the sauna, so my hair's wet.

Leo: You're relaxed, now. You're relaxed.

Jeff: I tried to burn the cold out of my sinuses.

Leo: Is it freezing? Oh, you have a cold. I'm sorry. Well, it’s very kind of you to be with us. You're in Germany for a Google event?

Jeff: A Google Big Tent Event, in full disclosure. They flew me over.

Leo: What is a Big Tent Event?

Jeff: It’s Google trying to make nice with the world. Policy, media, that kind of stuff. And they bring together a panel of discussions. I've been to three or four of them. And they hold them all around, it’s mainly the international side. They've had a few of them in DC. But they'll have discussions about - tomorrow it’s about media and Google.

Leo: The idea, it says, on the Big Tent Event page is to bring together many points of view about the impacts of the internet on society.

Jeff: Right.

Leo: So, Big Tent Event number tw- there are twenty events in Europe, wow. Look, they're all over.

Jeff: Oh, they've got to make a lot of them, yeah.

Leo: And you're speaking about what?

Jeff: I'm doing ten minutes on, kind of Germany, and media, and internet.

Leo: Ah.

Gina Trapani: That should be fun.

Leo: Are you really, really going to rake them over the coals?

Jeff: I'll try to have a little subtlety to it.

Leo: By the way, that other voice is of course the great Gina Trapani, of,, and host (we're very proud to say), host of All About Android on Tuesday nights, on this show, along with Jason. Hello!

Gina: Yes, hello! Thank you, good to be here.

Leo: You're welcome.

Gina: I'll try to be lively, if Jeff is sleepy.

Leo: I thought we'd just do this show in a very low key. I think we should all match then.

Gina: Alright, yeah, OK. I can match. Just chill, it’s very chill.

Leo: Yeah. Don't listen to this show while driving.

Gina: There's a little bit going on. Not really too much.

Jeff: We're all members of the Slow Talkers Of...

Leo: America!

Jeff: America.

Leo: That's a great Bob and Ray routine. Which nobody but Jeff and I are old enough to even know who Bob and Ray are. We just love them. You'll be talking about the -

Gina: I -

Leo: Go ahead.

Gina: I just appreciate that you called us slow talkers. That's why I was laughing.

Leo: Yeah. I'm a slow talker, he's a slow talker. Between the two of us, it’s a mess. It’s horrible. So, Gina, did you get a chance to watch anything of Apple's event on Monday? Cause Google seemed to be the subtext there. Apple -

Gina: I have to say that I didn't. I didn't catch much of it at all, and I read a few summaries afterwards, um. And it didn't sound like there was a whole lot there? I don’t know. What was, how was Google a subtext?

Leo: Uhhh, a couple of ways. Um, you know Apple for a while has been trying to get Google off of iOS, and this disintermediates Google and searches on iOS with Siri, for instance, if you search for something with Siri. Even the search, the web search done with Google, is hidden from Google. Only Google only sees Apple. They're bringing that to the desktop, so spotlight searches now will search everything, not just your hard drive, but search the internet for information. You will be able to speak -

Jeff: Bing, right?

Leo: It will use Bing, in some cases. It may use Google - I guess Safari will continue to use Google. But if you, yeah, if you use the desktop spotlight search it'll use Bing, and even then you won't be visible to Bing. Apple will. But, it will also use Wolframalpha, and Wikipedia, and all sorts of stuff. I mean, it’s very clear, Apple has decided - I think, Apple has decided to market it’self as the antithesis to Google, the privacy and security company. And so they're offering, or plan to offer, iCloud Drive, which will have roughly the same price as Google Drive. It’s going to be very inexpensive. Five gigs free, and I think it’s a buck ninety nine a month for one hundred gigs. Um. They're going to offer app engine style services for developers, so you can put your app on the iCloud, and it'll actually support a surprisingly large amount of data. I can't remember what they said - it was quite a bit of data - for free. It does very much feel like Apple saying, "Alright, Google. Alright, Google - Take this. Take that."

Gina: It certainly sounded like some of the iOS updates were very Android-y.

Leo: And they're doing a lot of the things Android has been doing all along.

Gina: Already doing for a long time, yeah. Duck.Go is now is now an option for private search and Safari, right?

Leo: When you use - It’s not even an option, when you use private search and Safari, it defaults to Duck.Go.

Gina: That's a big deal, for Duck.Go.

Leo: Yeah, it’s good. It’s kind of a pat on the back, for them. Ah, Apple also, yeah, they did a lot of things that Google has been doing on Android. The fact that you can put in Skype, for instance. They showed Skype on third-party keyboards on iOS. To me it’s a big deal, because that was one of the main reasons I left iOS. They're supposedly going to come out with a bigger screen on iPhone, this fall. And if they do, that would be two of the big reasons I left iOS. And they're offering some interesting reasons to go to iOS - for instance, their touch ID, their fingerprint sensor on the 5S is going to have a more open API. Third parties will be able to use it. Which means banking apps, Last Pass, things like that might be able to use it.

Gina: That's really cool.

Leo: I think that's very cool, especially since it works so well. Ah, we were hoping they would do that.

Gina: Yeah, that's big. That's really big.

Leo: Yeah. They are going to, ah, provide a form of inter-app communications, a la Android. You know, when you're on Android and install a new application, it’s added to your share menu. It would be doing that now on iOS.

Gina: That's also a huge drawback on iOS.

Leo: Right! You had Twitter, Facebook, AirDrop, and that was about it. Now you'll be able - And you'll also, as a developer, you'll be able to write extensions, that will then plug into services like not just the shared services. And by the way, as a developer, you'll have to explicitly plug into the shared services, your extensions are a standalone binary that are part of the installation. Um, and I think Apple's really paying close attention to preserving security, by making sure that the inner app communications are very constrained. It locks down. They encourage you, in the documentation, to make it look like the place you're going, not the place you've come from. Things like that. I think they're actually doing it quite elegantly. And somebody said - I'm curious what you think as a developer, Gina, and as an android user. Although also used an iPhone for a long time.

Gina: Mmm-hmm.

Leo: They said that it’s easier, somebody said it’s easier and probably more secure to go from a lock-down state to less lock-down, as Apple has done, than to go in the other direction as Google has done, or Android has done. To go from completely wide open to kind of slowly tightening down the nuts. Like Microsoft, slowly tightening down the nuts. That seems to make sense to me.

Gina: I would agree with that. I would agree with that. And so like, you can lower prices right, but you can't really raise them.

Leo: Yeah. That's a good analogy.

Gina: It’s very similar. This is kind of copy and paste, we're just seeing this happen over and over again, where, you know these basic functions, you know on iOS you had to wait a really long time, but when they came they were done very well. It’s almost like, you know, Android is the canary in the coal mine, and Apple observes and then, you know, does their own take on it. And you know, their take on it is usually very beautiful and very functional. And they have the advantages of sort of learning from other implementations, on what the issues are with them.

Leo: And then they're moving into Google territory with things like home automation. You know Google made a lot of noise about Google At Home, but never really delivered the cube drive.

Gina: Yeah, the cube, mhmm.

Leo: Now I should absolutely point out that everything that happened Monday on WWC was similar, was an announcement of something that was going to come to us. Although we have seen developer release of iOS8 and people are telling me that there are a lot of nice features, and this implementation seems to be fairly solid. Um, but it is a case of Apple saying, "Well, we're going to do home automation." And that's something Google has said too. Microsoft has been saying it for more than a decade.

Jeff: Yeah. Did you see anything at the Apple conference that makes you say -

Leo: No. What they do at WWC is they show , they didn't show, they didn't show any hardware at all. It’s not like Google IO.

Jeff: Right.

Leo: They say, here's the - they say you're going to get, today, iOS8 pre-release, (When I say 'you', I mean developers - it’s a developers show.) And you're going to get OS10, 10.10, which they're calling Yosemite. You're going to get that, you can download that, you can start playing with it. Here's the specs, here's the API, here's some of the new features - not all - and we want you to start developing for it. But they don't say, "Oh, and here's our, here's our Apple at Home device." Now, they do already have ibeacons. And it looks like ibeacons, which is the bluetooth low energy, I'm here I'm here, is going to be used in a lot of interesting ways. I think what Apple said, and again, they've got to implement it, is very compelling. So much so, that I have to say, I think probably come this fall, they may have eliminated reasons for me not to use an iPhone. I might look to going back to iOS for my main.

Gina: Interesting, interesting.

Jeff: Oooh.

Leo: See... They’ve got to get a bigger screen. I can't really use that four inch screen. That's crazy. That's crazy talk! But I, but the keyboard was one of the reasons I was dying too.

Gina: And the notification shade got better. Yes?

Leo: Yeah, yeah. More Android-y, hahaha.

Gina: Mmmhmmm.

Leo: Although it’s hard to say, what is Android's notification shade? Because every - of course if you have a Nexus 5, you know what the pure version is. Every manufacturer, Samsung, HTC, LG - everybody has their own variation on this.

Gina: Right. Well, I just meant rich notifications in that you know, you can add controls, you can reply or tweet or skip to the next song, or pause or whatever.

Leo: Those would be treated, as I understand, as extensions, as another kind of extension.

Gina: Ahh, I see. Interesting, interesting.

Leo: And by the way, that'll go to the desktop as well. Oh, I know another thing they're going to add! Touchless voice, so that you'll be able to say - and I have to say, I like this better than OK Google now - "Hey, Siri."

Gina: Hahaha.

Leo: Don't you like that?

Jeff: That's it. I'm abandoning all Android and Google products, because I can say, "Hey, Siri."

Leo: Hey, Siri!

Gina: Hey, Siri! It’s got a little ring to it.

Jeff: I'm not moving 'til you can say, "Yo Siri."

Leo: Yo, Siri. Hey, Siri. You know what's funny, is it reminds me that I almost always say, "Hey, Siri," anyway. It’s like the episode of Veep on Sunday or two Sundays ago, where he says, "Hey Siri, how many, how many horses died in World War One." He literally said, "Hey, Siri," and I feel like that's what everybody does anyway. That Apple's authors must be discarding the first few words.

Gina: It’s a subtle difference but Siri is like a persona, whereas Google is sort of just the ever present computer. So it’s interesting that you'd say, "OK Google," versus "Hey Siri."

Leo: Hey, Siri.

Gina: It’s more like you're addressing a person.

Leo: Uh, huh.

Gina: Mmmhmm.

Leo: And I'm telling you, if they get Scarlet Johannsen's voice, it is over.

Gina: It’s over. I loved Her, by the way.

Leo: What do you think? Great movie!

Gina: I really enjoyed it.

Leo: Really good movie.

Gina: Yeah, it was beautiful, it was compelling, it was really good.

Leo: And it raises some very interesting issues.

Gina: Yeah.

Leo: Yeah. I think that there are those who have. Hey, if you can marry a pillow in Japan, you can marry an iPhone here. Well... That got dead silence. You can. Hello Jason. Go ahead. Jason's new desk is right behind your head, Jeff Jarvis. So if you see a very tall person just slowly - get your hand outta there! Ha, ha!

Jeff: Syncs. Jason syncs you and me and the rest. Ha.

Leo: We're a little concerned, because at first we could see the top of his head over the partition.

Gina: That's prime real estate right there.

Leo: He lowered his chair - oh, yeah, that's a good seat. That's the good seat.

Jeff: But he can't talk on the phone, like when all the shows are on, right?

Leo: Can you talk on the phone when the shows are on, Jason? I think he's not listening...

Jeff: He's muted now...

Leo: He muted. It’s a pretty directional mic, I bet he could talk like this.

Gina: Yeah, the mic would probably pick it up.

Leo: We have this problem in general. Everybody in the office has to kind of go in the kitchen if they want to talk on the phone. That's OK, we're a bunch of introverted nerds nobody wants to talk on the phone anyway.

Jeff: Wow.

Leo: Alright, I think that's enough, but I just want to bring that up, because it did feel very much like Apple was targeting Google. In a lot of the things that they were putting on the iPhone. And doing I think a lot of the right things to provide an alternative to Google, and not copy Google, but to say, "If you want these features, but you want them where your privacy is going to be kind of preserved, then we're going to provide an alternative."

Jeff: But the whole of the - One second - so, so Apple's going to hide your identity from all of these services, which means you don't get the customization opportunities you want, may want, A. B, who's to say we trust Apple with all this information?

Leo: Right. Well, I'm not saying one does, but if one does, then one would be happier with this. And Apple has -

Gina: Who's to say that anyone trusts Apple can create a cloud experience that actually works. They had a couple of big bloopers here, like when you said app engine on Apple, I was like, "No way."

Leo: But that may change if they can - and you're right, they haven't delivered ever, and they have some horrific failures with mobile means and so forth. One hopes that they will do better, but that remains to be seen. Um, they did call Android a toxic hell stew. Oh, you missed that?

Gina: I did!

Leo: Oh, yeah! I'm surprised you didn't talk about that last night on the -

Gina: I had to miss last night - I'm sure actually they did talk about it, but I had to miss last night. Did they say that that on stage? That's amazing.

Leo: They quoted Adrian Kingsley Huges, who is a ZD net writer. And he says, "Android fragmentation," He's talking about the fragmentation, "Has turned devices..." Here's the exact quote from ZD Net, "Into a toxic hell stew of vulnerabilities." I completely disagree.

Gina: OK

Leo: But they put that quote on a big slide on the screen, and ah... Making Adrian very happy.

Gina: Wow, that's hmm. That's a far cry from things, when they didn't mention their competitors. I mean the one place where Apple has a really long way to go, and a lot of work to do is the developer tools. I mean, iTunes connects the app tools - the tools they give you as an app developer, a mobile app developer in particular - because that's where my skills are, compared to the playstar console, I mean Google is far and away much kinder developers in terms of stats and tools and the ways to, you know, see how your app is doing and improve that. I mean, you know apple has always had extreme empathy for users, right. And I think that Google's core competency is extreme empathy for developers, right? So like, Google makes really great tools for nerds. And you know, apple makes really great tools for humans, but if apple wants, you know, developers to feel better about how we are developing the platform and using things like their version of app engine, I think that they really have a lot of work to do there.

Leo: By the way, last night's episode of All About Android was titled "Swimming in a toxic hell stew" That's kind of a tribute.

Gina: Yeah, clearly, yes.

Leo: So, you're a developer, you've developed for both platforms, it seems to me that you have a good standing to talk about this. Do you think that it’s more pleasurable to develop for Android?

Gina: I mean, I came up, I was for Android first, and I was a java programmer before android, so android was not very attractive to me. I never really got my feet with the objectivity or the way that I would have liked, or the way that I felt that I did with android. And I was developing for android a lot earlier, so I am certainly biased. But I do know the developer tools for android are way better. I do know that you have to test across a lot more devices, and there are a lot more configurations to make sure the app works on Android, than iOS. so There's give and take there. I mean the documentation issue is still an issue. Um, but just talking about purely the tools for uploading your binary and distributing it to testers and seeing, you know, what countries your app is doing well in and how your localizations are doing, and that kind of thing? Google beats Apple's tools, hands down.

Leo: Actually, I think it would be fair to say that Java is a toxic hellstool. Stew, stew... Java script is a toxic hellstool, but that's another... But java and javascript really are somewhat of a hellstew. And in fact, apple - apple responded to that, and I guessed you missed it, but apple has introduced a replacement for objective c. They're calling it swift, they're saying it’s significantly faster than objective c. So that's good news, and it avoids basically what they, I think I can safely synopsise, is what they've done is eliminated downward compatibility, eliminated all the things from c that they put in objective c just so that it would be c friendly.

Jeff: And then you have to rewrite apps though?

Leo: You do not - objective c is not deprecated or replaced, in fact you can write apps in both languages at once. But the idea is that it is a expressive tool for writing code for cocoa and cocoa touch that is desktop and iOS. I think it’s a beautiful language, a very nice language, and they’ve provided something very interesting called playgrounds, which reminds me a lot of, say the python interpreter where you can go in the interpreter and try statements, try code, and see what happens. The playground gives you a graphical interface that lets you try code. It’s really a debugger, because you can use a scrubber to go back and forth in your code, see how it impacts the graphical output, modify it, get instant changes. Very interesting program language that I think developers are going to like a lot. It’s not going to be hard to learn, it’s C like - but they've eliminated some of the things that made c dangerous. They've eliminated some of the things that you don't need anymore, and they've eliminated some of the constructs that were unsafe. It uses not strong typing, it’s typed by inference. Um, but, it is fairly unimutable typing. So variables must be initialized before use. They have built in array and imager overflow checking, instead of garbage collection, which is what java does, they use reference counting. They call it ARC. I think that this might be an interesting - I'd love to get your take on it at some point. I know it’s probably not high on your list, but it reminds me of python or ruby, which I love these scripted languages, but it has the proficiency of objective c because it compiles down to the machine level and you know, I mean, the bench marks they showed were kind of, as usual, carefully chosen.

Gina: Yes, of course. I'm excited about that, particularly around the tools. I think that over the last few years of all these like learning how to code tools, we've seen a lot of sort of interactive editors, and see, you know, as you type, see how your code affects things and I love to see those, but it’s modern. IDE, even something as advanced as hexcode. I mean anything that helps developers be more productive and not have to think about things like memory management and garbage collection, those are good things. It means better apps, it means faster employs, I'm excited about that, I'm definitely going to play around with it, because like I said, I never quite got into objective c. And, I always found it sort of frustrating and foreign, so, yeah, I would definitely check out swift. I'd even rewrite my app in swift, just for the fun of it.

Leo: Yeah I think it looks pretty fun. I downloaded it and started playing with it immediately, because I like to - frankly I think what's interesting about this is it’s going to encourage (By the way, it’s free - everybody that uses a mac can use it, it’s not cross platform - objective c was cross platform, this is not cross platform, this is apple only) but they offer free documentations. 99 bucks to become an apple developer and you get access to a ton of stuff.

Jeff: Whoa, stay on that for a second. It’s never been easy to write apps for both platforms. This would make it yet harder?

Leo: Yes. Absolutely. If you start writing in swift, you're not really cross platform. You're writing to the hardware.

Jeff: That sucks. That really sucks.

Gina: Right, but if you're writing in objective C, you're also writing for the platform too. Objective C, you could write it off the platform, but no one ever. It’s kind of like java now, really, people are building android apps in java, right? Theoretically, surely there are other things you can write java for, but, particularly the android SDK or the whole set of Android's classes that's android only. And there are some frameworks that help you, you know, build an app and deploy to native code on both platforms. I don't know how good they are, but there are people out there trying to solve that problem. But Apple's not going to solve that problem.

Leo: You have to do it at a very high level, and games, there's unity and other things that let you do that, but if you want to - it’s always been the case. I'm sure with two new dot techs you didn't have to share any or much code.

Gina: No, no. I mean The design pattern, sure, like the objects and things, but no. There's no shared code.

Leo: Right. This stuff, by the way, very well designed patterns, a lot of things they've done. Fairly modern, but you know, as people go in the chat room are saying. Go is just as modern, java has fixed many of these problems, um. You know, Apple has no interest in being cross platform.

Jeff: No.

Gina: Right, yeah. It’s not in their interests.

Leo: They're making, yeah, it’s not in their interests. Microsoft, it’s interesting. Microsoft is a little more open to that notion. But, apple is saying, you know. This is, you know, for writing for our stuff.

Gina: Yeah. I think it was Farad Manju was asking, why are companies building new programming languages right now, you know. And it happens not as often as platforms, or apps, but it’s interesting to see like, Go, and Swift, and new languages emerge. Because at some point, you say, like haven't we figured out every way to express a certain thing? I just think requirements change and different kinds of hardware change and the problems become a little more common, and I think certain languages handle them a little better.

Leo: Right. I think also the fads and trends in programming, things like design patterns, often lend themselves better to new languages than old languages. And people write the languages around the trends in programming. I think Go is a good example. I'm sure swift is well - you'll like it that - I don't know if you remember this but apple bought a company called Test Flight, a few months ago. Developers are very disappointed because they used Test Flight to beta test apps for iOS, apple bought them and the good news is they've immediately made it available even under the same name Test Flight, so now you can have a thousand beta testers instead of a hundred on your iOS app. The process is easier, you get a lot. It’s much easier to get feedback and so forth. So, that's also...

Gina: Test Flight was a godsend, yeah. I used Test Flight to do techs. I literally could not figure out how to have people not beta test my app. With android, you like, email the EPK.

Leo: Say, here's the file. Install it!

Gina: Here's the file, install it. Like, maybe you have to uncheck allow unknown sources, in Android, right? But with an iOS app, it’s a whole rigmarole, you have to get the device ID, and allocate licenses. I didn't even understand the steps. You know, I went through the twenty six steps it took to do it, but at the end I didn't really know what I did and I just sort of prayed and it worked. But test flight made that a lot easier. Still, Test Flight was a pain. You had to ask people to join Test Flight and add their device, and then you could issue them. Anyway, this is kind of what I was talking about. And this is just about the issue of having your app distributed only through the app store and approval and all that stuff. So the Test Flight acquisition was certainly a step in the right direction. Test flight is great. But it’s solving a problem that just doesn't even exist in the playstore.

Leo: It’s a problem they created, in the playstore.

Gina: It’s a problem they created, exactly.

Leo: You know, to jailbreak an iphone requires all sorts of maneuvers and hoops you have to jump through and you can't do it with current versions of iOS, etcetera, etcetera. To jail break android phone, you just go under settings and you check the box that says allow third party apps, and that's it. You're done!

Gina: Right, design lug, yeah.

Leo: Yeah. That's all jailbreaking does on iOS, which kind of says something. It’s such a big deal to do that. So, um, yeah, I mean, I think I said this on Monday, there is still a very big gulf between proprietary and open, and there are advantages to being proprietary. As you know, in Germany, the trains ran on time under Musolini. Oh, that was Italy. But sometimes facism benefit’s. But, I think generally I come down on the side of openness.

Jeff: Yeah.

Gina: A little more chaos.

Leo: Chaos, it’s chaotic. It’s a toxic hell stew, and we like it!

Gina: Now we have a title, ha ha. We might have to steal it.

Leo: We like it! Alright, we're going to take a break, come back with more. Jeff Jarvis, poor guy. He just got out of the sauna, his brain is bubbling still. A weinershnitzle in the sauna. That's a recipe for disaster.

Jeff: Not bad, huh?

Leo: He's barely moving. Gina Trepani, do you have a cold, are you a little under the weather too? Oh, my god. It’s the walking wounded here. Well, I'm feeling pretty good, and I had...

Jeff: I had nothing to say about apple developments.

Leo: I guess you're probably right.

Jeff: If I leave, I'm tired and you're about apple stuff, and Gina gets a word in edgewise on this show.

Leo: Yeah, that's good. That's good. And by the way, Ben tells me that in Germany the trains never run on time.

Jeff: They don't, no, the Germans play mightily above their grade.

Leo: They don't now, and that's the point. Was it - I'll move on. We're going to take a break, I don't want to go too down this road. We're going to take a break, and come back in a moment with more. We're talking about, in effect, our Google change log in here, though Jeff will take a little longer than that. Our show today brought to you by our friends at Legal Zoom dot com. Not a law firm, it provides self-help services so that you can get legal work done without paying a high price for a fancy lawyer. Legal zoom dot com. Turns out a lot of the legal stuff you do, including forming a business, can be done easily without a lawyer. America was built by inovators and dreamers, man we are in an age of innovation. And that's really exciting. It’s what makes this country work. And actually, let’s say, the whole world work. We're in an exciting time. Legal zoom celebrating this month - I think it’s like national start your own business month or something like that - with a deal to help you start your own business, to launch your dream, whether it’s applying for a patent to secure your invention, registering your trademark to protect your products, your services, your brand, or corporation or forming an LLC to launch your business for an amazing price. Look at that, ninety nine bucks to start an LLC or a chapter S or C corporation. That's what we did. Ninety nine bucks, we're still using those LLC Papers, the operating agreement I created in two thousand and five. Over a million businesses have started off on the right foot with legal zoom dot com. Legal zoom has received an A+ from the better business burea, and I'm not surprised. celebrate innovation with legal zoom today and get a special price on trademark, copywrite, or provisional patent applications. All you have to do is use the offer code TWIG, at checkout. We'll give you ten bucks off. Legal Zoom dot com. Legal zoom provides legal help thru independent attorneys and self-help services. They're not a law firm. By the way, if you do want legal advice from an attorney, you can get it at a much more affordable price. They've pre-negotiated monthly flat rate pricing with attorneys in every state. You can go on legalzoom dot com, find an attorney profile, read unedited reviews, chose the attorney you need, and then ask them things like, "Should I be a chapter S? A Chapter C? Should I be an LLC? Could I be a non-profit?" Those are the kinds of things that an attorney is very useful for. And then you fill out the forms on Legal zoom dot com. I love it. Get started today, Legal zoom dot com. Use the offer code Twig to get ten dollars off at checkout. We thank legal zoom for their support, not only of this week in Google but really, for making TWIT happen. Legal zoom dot com. Time, ladies and gentlemen, for the Google change log. This is where we, as in Gina Trepani, give you all the things that have changed at Google this week.

Gina: You can tell it’s the month of Google IO, cuz there's a lot going on. So, let’s see if I can punch through this. I guess the big announcement this month is that Google announced that they're working on a new chrome extension called end to end. It kinda sounds dirty, but it’s not. It streamlines the -

Leo: It sounds like the last episode of Sillicon valley, if we're going to be perfectly honest. Oh, that was middle to middle... Different kind of encryption.

Gina: Different kind of encryption, hah. In Chrome extensions, dreamland suppresses using PGP to encrypt your email when you're using Gmail. So the extension actually hasn't been released yet. Google just released the code for review by the community. they want to make sure that it’s as secure as absolutely should be. It’s up on, you can check it out. It’s a chrome extension, so it’s based in Java script.

Leo: It’s very early, you... It’s not on the extension store, because really, they want to have people look at it, and bang on it.

Gina: Right, and this is something we talked about on the show a bunch of times, you know. What are the implications if your email, if your content is encrypted in your browser and you sent via gmail to someone else, they decrypt it on their client. Gmail doesn't see the content, they can't advertise to you, against a bunch of jumbled letters, right? Um, so this is Google at their best. I feel like this is Google really not being evil. And I'm excited, I hope this extension works well. I hope it supports other webmail providers, than just Gmail.

Leo: They say it will.

Gina: Yeah, I - that's an ambitious goal.

Leo: It’s java script, which is great - it uses java script open pgp library, so it’s open. It’s open source, you can look at the source, cause it’s Java script. And it will work anywhere, because it’s, you know, built in encryption. This is exciting, I think this is really the best. I'm thrilled that Google's doing it. I think their attitude is well, most people won't do it all the time, so it’s no big deal.

Gina: Right. Right, right, right. Yeah. I don't think it’s going to be on by default. You know, say I'm sending an email I care about and encrypt this, and hopefully there'll be a button and it'll be just that easy. What else we got? OK, Chromecast - a few new chromecast abled apps, watch espn app. The sportsfan in my house is very excited about this. Watch espn app is now chromecast enabled.

Leo: Just in time for the world cup!

Gina: Yes! A major league soccer via the mls machday app, and mls live. Those are premium services. The crunchyroll video service, which has a bunch of TV and video content also now chromecast enabled. And you can also stream your photos and videos in the Google plus app, to the chromecast. So you can enable that feature you tap the cast button and the photos view in the Google plus app, on iOS or android. Yeah. That's a good one. That's a good one. I want to see pictures of my kid that my wife took all day long, at the end of the day.

Leo: That's nice. I browse Google plus all the time, and if you see something cool, you can say, hey, you know. Let me show you this. That's great. I love that.

Gina: Mmmhmm, yeah. Really nice. What else we got. Oh, Google launches a sixty four bit version of chrome starting with the dev and canary channels. And this is for windows seven and windows eight. So both cases, the sixty four bit version is offered by default. If you're running the sixty four bit flavor of windows, the thirty two bit version of course is still available. The sixty four bit version is just better, better speed, better security, better stability for sixty four bit windows users. Google plus, the Google plus app for iOS is playing a little catchup with android. It just got updated with the stories which came out for Android a couple of weeks ago, and the photo filters. So you can download that now on devices running iOS 6.0 or later. That’s the really cool feature that kind takes your photos and figures out where you were and makes this sort of story you can page thru this story, where you went. And I think Leo, you downloaded a story you made from your one year trips and your pictures, really cool features. Really cool features, iOS users get that now, yeah, automatically, which is awesome. Let’s see. Google's adding a one click hangout button that you can add anywhere on any web page, any app. It’s basically a start button for starting hangouts. And they're targeting, it seems like, companies, enterprise customers, who want to offer customer service hangouts or job interviews or you know, instant meetings and their apps. It’s already been available to select Google enterprise customers, that have used it in a bunch of ways including embedding it into online collaboration files, customer support apps and sales apps and interacting with job candidates so now it’s become available to everyone. So the button is super customizable, you can render it markup, based on java script it’s available in many languages, so you can basically just kick off a hangout from anywhere. Finally, earlier this week, and I'm sure my cohost talked about this last night on all about android. Google posted factory images for the latest build of Android 4.4.3. And the update will allow to Google experience android devices. One of the updates, I think this is a pretty light updates. But one of the updates includes a refreshed design of the dialer app. So you get new color scheme, blue, black, grey, and white. Background went from grey to blue and I think that this is the kind of design refresh we're going to see across a bunch of apps on Google IO, later on this month. So I think we're going to see more of this. And that's all I got!

Leo: And that's the Google change log! I'm excited about the added encryption. I think that's going to be a big deal. Because you can do it now, but you have to install a plugin, and you know it’s just not easy. It’s not for the everyday person.

Gina: And you know, it puts pressure on other webmail providers and actually didn't include it in this, but as part of this announcement about end to end, Google published this transparency report about which webmail providers support which kinds of encryptions and it’s kind of like public shaming as a way to get more providers to support TOS and other kinds of encryptions.

Jeff: Show the screen if you can. I don't know if you have my screen... Oh, there it is. How much email was encrypted in transit, coming from Google, sixty nine per cent of messages from Gmail, other providers, were encrypted. That's great, that's in the last thirty days. The last year, you can see it started sometime between October and January of 2013 2014. But that's a good number, but then if you look at messages coming from other providers, less than half is encrypted on its way to Google. And the reason that's important, is because you might say well, I'm an encrypted connection to Google and nobody can read my email as I compose it, and upload it to Google. But the minute it goes off of Google's servers it’s transported across the public internet, and it’s, you know, in many cases not encrypted. In most cases, you have to agree to encryption. Google obviously does offer that, in its SMTP client. I guess, what is it that they're using - Is it SMTP? I don't even know what they use. But, many many providers don't. So, it is public shaming. It’s saying, lets'... In fact, they have a little add. Let's make email safer. And if you go to this url. you can see how safe yours is, and they have a list of email encrypted and so forth. This is the right answer. And it’s not encrypted because it wasn't originally intended to be encrypted, nobody thought email should be encrypted. It’s only now that we want to do it. Thanks to Edward Snowden.

Jeff: Can you guys hear me?

Leo: Yeah. We can hear you now.

Jeff: My other headset carded out.

Leo: I thought you bought a new one just for the show.

Jeff: I did!

(Yeah, during the add, I muted you because of the headset rustle - um, but, right now we're not getting your video.)

Leo: He turned out the lights!

Gina: I feel like Jeff jumps or leaps tall buildings to do this show and I appreciate it so much.

Jeff: I'm going to hang up and come back.

Leo: Ok. We'll get you back in a minute, Jeff. Google has a very good page, if you go to this Google transparency report,, there's a really good page on how encryption works that explains why this is an issue. Why you should encourage this kind of encryption, from your email provider and so forth. It’s using TLS and it means you've got to use TLS from your server to their server and you have to support TLS. TLS is SSL, it’s the same thing we use to encrypt our transactions to our bank and amazon and so forth.

Gina: Right, it’s the difference between sending - and I think this is the analogy they used - sending a post card, versus sending a letter in an envelope. It’s not fool proof, someone could certainly rip open the envelope, right. But it’s the difference between sending it in the clear.

Leo: They have two beautiful illustrations, one with the post card, and all the bad guys who are snooping on your post card. And then with an encrypted pipe and those bad guys just can't see into it.

Jeff: One other advantage of this kind of encryption is that the argument before was that if you - only the people using encryption were doing suspicious things.

Leo: Right.

Jeff: The more people use encryption the less those who use encryption will look suspicious.

Leo: Exactly. I think that's why I started using PGP and then later, open PGP because I wanted to kind of establish a baseline of encryption. Everyone should be encrypting all the time. It’s not a tacit admission of guilt. It was a funny post on Google plus, this week. Right after wwwdc, it said. Google announces it’s going to spend a billion dollars to buy low altitude satellites, bring internet to the entire world and gets no attention. Apple announces a font change and everyone's like, ooohhh, aaahhh! And I think this might be the underreported story of the year to this point. And it’s an amazing thing, and even I have buried the leaf. Google has said they're going to spend, they are spending more than a billion dollars to put up their own satellites, a fleet of satellites, low orbit satellites, that will bring the internet to unwired regions of the globe. Especially to underdeveloped nations, people who have financial and technical reasons they can't get the internet. This is being led by Greg Wiler, who's the founder of orb networks, a satellite communications startup. And, they've been hiring engineers to work on the project. They've allocated a billion dollars, maybe as much as three billion dollars to do it.

Jeff: Is this satellites, or balloons, or drones?

Leo: this is not balloons, this is not drones. This is satellites. This is something a little more, dare I say, down to earth. A little more stable, that's right. Something better understood.

Jeff: But with more latency.

Leo: Yeah, but I think that the feeling that is if you have got no internet, a little latency is better.

Jeff: You take what you can get.

Leo: Take what you can get, yeah. Um, you may remember that Craig Maccaw, who created cell phones, basically, with cellular one, who really put that on the map. And Bill Gates founded a company called teledezic, more than twenty years ago, to do the same thing, they put LEOS, low earth orbit satellites, for internet service. That thing was a nine billion dollar project that basically flopped. They stopped doing it in 2002. You also may remember irridium, which was a satellite phone service using low earth orbit satellites that went into bankruptcy in 1999, so this is something that's been tried before, but it seems to me that Google has the best shot at it. These are fifteen hundred pound satellites. I'm sorry, I take it back. These are 250 pound satellites, a lot smaller than the traditional 1500 pound satellites, and they want to circle the globe with them, which is quite amazing. 160 satellites, it really could actually solve this problem in such an interesting way.

Jeff: You're basically talking the same thing and they're drones, and the business case for Google just makes more sense to me.

Leo: right. They also say that they think that they can make ground antenna systems much more inexpensive, and traditionally they cost lots of money to get the receiver. We're talking hundreds of dollars instead of millions. I think this is...

Jeff: Here's my other question: Can governments interfere with this?

Leo: Yes, they have. I mean that's the problem, you're going to float a satellite or two or three over every nation in the world, you're going to have some issues. So there is absolutely, there's regulatory issues and so forth. But there would be with balloons, there would be with drones.

Gina: It wouldn't matter what they were. It wouldn't matter.

Leo: Yeah.

Gina: A fleet of pigeons.

Leo: I think these are geostationary, but I'm not sure. No... There just low earth orbit.

Jeff: Why are there regulatory issues? They should understand, the satellite goes straight to your phone, the satellite goes to a ground receiving station to your phone.

Leo: I'm sure it’s not straight to your phone, but I don't know.

Jeff: Ok, that's OK, that's why...

Leo: Right. Right.

Jeff: So what they're eliminating is the line to the pop.

Leo: Right.

Jeff: Right.

Leo: Right. Google has Sherlock Loon, usc waller in our chat and only a bunch of geeks would even understand what that sentence means. Very interesting, I mean really interesting. But I mean, there's a long way to go still. But clearly Google has placed a bet here. They've hired between ten and twenty people, and they're reporting to Craig Barret, who reports to Larry Page.

Gina: Seems like money well spent and money more sensibly spent than a lot of other Google stuff. Right, I mean it makes complete total sense, right?

Leo: It’s good for Google, it’s good for the world.

Gina: It’s good for the world, right, it makes them look - I mean, it’s a win, win all the way.

Leo: Let's take a break. When we come back, I want to talk a little about what we're going to expect from Google IO, cuz now that we've seen the apple, we've got the e3 gaming conference next week, amazon has just announced it’s going to do something in the third week of June. This is a crazy month, but Google wraps it up with Google IO. You're both coming out for it. We'll be covering it, of course, the key notes. What are we going to see? In some ways, how does Google respond to apple? Can they top apple? It’s always risky being the first. Before we do though, I want to show you something Google did that's so cool. And you really should be able to take advantage of it. I think it started when they did chromebooks. They said, you know, they’ve got to get a way to print from a device that is not hooked up to a computer and is traveling all around, and maybe our android devices, same thing. They created a Google cloud print. Which is a very nice solution, easy to set up, easy to use. And, if your printer supports it it’s a step. But what if your printer doesn't? Are you going to buy a new printer just to print from your android device? I can print from here, to my printer at home, over the internet using cloud print. And this, this is the first and only print server officially certified by Google for cloud printing. You see, it says right there - made for cloud print.

Gina: I’ve got to get one of those, because I got the call. I think I told you guys, I got my wife the chromebook. The pixel, she loved it and she used it without any questions or any complaints for many months. But just a couple of weeks ago I got off the call, she said I need to print. How do I print? And I said, oh, can't you just plug the printer? She's like, no. Do you have cloud print? I was like, noooo. So I need to get one of those.

Leo: More than four thousand top brand printers, and you know what's nice about it, there's no software to install, there's nothing to do. You literally, this is it, it’s a small little device about the size of a power brick for a laptop. On one side there's ethernet, power, usb. And that's about it. What you'll do, when you open it up, you plug it in, and it automatically sees all the printers on the network. If you have printers that need to be connected via usb, you can do that directly of course. It’s supports multiple printers, virtually unlimited android devices, allows USB printers to be shared all over the network. Turns any printer, almost any printer. It may not work with your dot matrix printer, but almost any other printer, into a cloud print compatible printer. Such a good idea, and they made one for air print too, that we advertised for a long time. And we got lots of emails from people saying, "I can't believe how easy this was to set up." People in schools and so forth use it, it makes it very easy to make your network cloud print compatible. So I want you to try it. It’s $149.95 - for that you get up to ten network printers and eight USB printers simultaneously. So it’s more than just a household device, it’s every office, every business should have this. Every school. Visit XPRINTSERVER.COM/Twit to find out more. I didn't mention the name did I? It’s from a company called lantronix, it’s the xprintserver cloud print edition. 150 bucks. if you do use the offer code TWIT, you get free shipping. You'll get it quickly. It’s a little weird, because it requires so little configuration. It’s one of those things where people go, "That's it?" Yeah, that's it. They should actually add some steps just to make people feel better. That's it, it’s working. There is no step three. It’s awesome.

Jeff: When you first advertised this, Leo, I ordered while you were still doing the commercial.

Leo: Oh, have you set it up yet?

Jeff: No...

Leo: You got todo that when you get home and do a little demo for us on the show.

Jeff: I think I mentioned, I have a Macintosh now that has nothing but a Google cloud print server. So now I can get rid of that.

Leo: Because it’s sharing the printer... You don't have to keep that mac on all day.

Jeff: So now I can get rid of that. Right.

Leo: Google, according to Gigaohm, will be announcing its android TV, successor to Google TV. I loved Google TV, of apparently we it was kind of a flop. Of course we know the Q was a flop, announced two years out of Google IO. Google is about to open another front, in the war for your living room, ranks janko records. Company set to announce the launch of android TV at IO in June, according to multiple sources, multiple sources familiar with Google's plans. Well, what is Android TV? It’s not a device, it is a platform that others can build a device to. Actually that happened with Google TV, too, didn't it? Lg and other said that we're going to use Google TV on our TVs?

Jeff: Isn't it too late, because everyone has smart TV platforms of their own?

Leo: Yeah, and that's a bad thing, because it means as a developer that you have to develop one for LG, one for samsung, it’s crazy. So one system would be very nice. The company is calling this technology they're using PANO. P A N O. And it’s kind of like zero config for apps. So apps can surface individual pieces of content while in the home screen in a card like fashion, so you can just browse movies and TV shows and other types of media as soon as they turn on Android TV. Content is on a card, this is Googleweb's card, right?

Gina: Yeah, Google's online cards.

Leo: They can be browsed horizontally, each movie or TV episode has deep links to the publisher's apps, giving users the option start playback right away. And I gather from this overall interface, it knows about the apps but focuses on the content. And that's what you want, isn't it? You don't want to have to go, "Well, let me see, is it hulu+ or HBOgo?" Well, let’s go to HBO. It’s not in theirs, then what you want is you want to see all the shows and then you want to say I want to watch that show, and you say, well, OK there's three ways to watch it. Doesn't that seem sensible?

Gina: That's got to be the key, right. So it sounds like this new interface has emphasis on gaming, which makes a lot of sense, because Google has really been pushing hard on giving developers more tools for gaming, and developing games. And gaming is something that chromecast can't do. I mean, I can't really get my head around why you'd have the chromecast which is so great, so successful, and this. I mean it seems like that's more power and better interface, is what this android TV would get you.

Leo: So according to Janco, there are two answers to that question. One is strategic, one is political. Google IO, he says, you're likely going to hear the strategic one. Chromecast is a great, inexpensive device for consumers that want to use their mobile devices to launch content. But due to its aggressively priced, limited hardware, you can't do everything you'd like to. In particular, you nailed it, gaming. So, it would make sense to have a second device that's more powerful, that isn't thirty five dollars. It’s maybe a hundred dollars that can play games, like the amazon fire TV, right? Or as Janco says it, "Oohyah done right," So that's the strategic reason. The political reason, according to Janco, is really about corporate politics. Google TV launched in 2010 is a new product based on Android, but beyond that, didn't share a whole lot with the company's android team. Google TV was based on honeycomb, and it was a separate team, it wasn't the android team. Jango says, "I've been told by sources familiar with these discussions there's some growing discontent between the android team and the Google TV team." As Google TV failed, floundered, so the Android team said, well, "We're going to do it right." And that was the nexus q, which of course was instantly killed, but...

Gina: Right? And the next Q surprised the Google TV team, I don't know if you guys remember. The Google TV team had no idea that the Q was happening. And I think that they were dismayed, and surprised.

Leo: I think they probably said, "What the hell?"

Gina: It’s a little bit like one hand's not talking to the other, and you know, honeycomb always felt like this red-headed step child of a forked branch that they just sort of rushed into production in order to get the tablets faster and the whole splitting off the team. I just don't... It’s just... It feels like mismanagement of the Q.

Jeff: The more I hear about Google, the more it is... It’s so long ago, the biggest problem is Google really becomes this big thing. And that's the problem that it faces today. It’s gigantic.

Leo: It’s a side effect of a positive intention, which is to kind of maintain this start up mentality. By making small autonomous teams, the advantage is they are all run gunning, but the disadvantage is that they're not all run gunning in the same direction.

Gina: And you know the advantage, too, is that they can kill the stuff off that's not working. The wave team, for example, was totally separate, particularly geographically. They were in Sydney, but they were completely separate. They were their own start up, they had incentives built around the acquisition that were separate from the rest of the company. And the idea was that if you don't reach your goal, then we kill the product, right? And that's what happened with the Q, and that's what happened with Google TV. It’s hard, as consumers and developers to be like, "Oh this feels like the same thing, with maybe a different interface," How could this be different this time? What did you learn? And I think what you said, Leo, is true. I just realized that I'm missing the new season of Lilly. I had no idea it was airing, and I wound up just buying it all off the playstore and using it off the Chromecast. Which is a really nice experience. It’s true, I just want to fire up my android TV and say, hey Google knows that I watch Lilly and that I love Lilly, and as soon a premier happens, I'm going to want to know about it and it should just show me. And I'll buy it from wherever, I don't care.

Leo: Content first. We are interested in content. We don't care about HBO or Showtime or anything. We want content.

Gina: Yeah, so Android TV has my Google now open, like the knowledge that Google Now has about the TV shows that I like. Cause Google Now is incredibly good at telling me my favorite show has a new episode, cause I tend to Google a lot while i'm watching TV. You know I look up stars, whatever, plots, whatever. If Android TV has that, that's going to be awesome. I'm going to turn that thing on, and without my DVR, have plenty of content that I'm going to want to watch. Without having to remember the schedule or you know, have a backlog or whatever. That will be a good experience.

Leo: And of course, Google has changed, because Andy Reuben is gone. Sander Patchai is now in charge of both things, right? So, I feel like that some of the silo's walls have been broken down. Um, which means you can have both chromecast and Android TV. I'm sorry, Jeff, go ahead.

Jeff: I forget what I was going to say.

Gina: I think you can miss manage silos, you can mismanage a monolith, right? Like, mismanagement can happen either way. And it doesn't feel like this was mismanagement, but this is Google's way, right? They build stuff, a lot of it fails, a lot of it is wildly successful. They don't know what's going to stick, and they fail fast, and then they start a new thing. You know, so why do things like the Nexus Q feel like this terrible PR blemish. It’s actually just like the way that it works for them, product wise.

Leo: Right.

Jeff: No customer ever bought one, so nobody was worse off.

Leo: A lot of people got free ones.

Gina: It just means a lot of nerdy jerks made snarky remarks around Google IO. I think that they can afford that.

Leo: Oh, no, it looks like another Q.

Gina: A Nexus Q...

Leo: Anyway, so that's something to look for. Now, it’s reminds me similarly there's a standalone box, like a ROKU box, where it’s just a platform that they sell to TV manufacturers that they put in. I would like to see that. God, the apps on TVs... Even within the Samsung line, I have different experiences. You know, it just doesn't make any sense.

Jeff: Yes.

Leo: It’s really a mess. And these guys are not good at developing apps. They shouldn't be in this business.

Jeff: The other thing that I was going to say, the Night Foundation held a meeting at my school a month or so ago and they kind of save public television. People in the room said why. But the thing that struck since is they all said the big screen on the wall, that’s the second screen.

Leo: Yes.

Jeff: Most engaged, the screen is right in front of me. And also, the TV is running in the background, that’s fine. And I think that if you look at it that way, how you tie… the presumption was everything had to get to the big screen. No, not necessarily. And the more you can tie what you’re doing on the big screen to your truly engaged smaller screen, that’s really going to be something here. Google loves signals. Knowing what you watch so as Gina said, they give you cards to say your favorite thing that’s coming on. And here’s some more, here’s where you can find it.

Leo: I see you’re watching TV. Would you like me to help you?
Gina: Clippy for your TV.

Leo: I get that all the time. I see a Panasonic TV is on and on the network. What are you watching? Press this button.

Jeff: Would you like me to send a self-driving car with some cheese to your room?

Leo: Yes.

Jeff: And I’ll use the automatic lock to unlock your house and let the robot in.

Leo: We’ll just put it on the counter. You don’t have to get up. Now Apple let the iWatch stay fallow, on the backburner. No mention at all. So this is an opportunity for Google once again to start talking wearables.

Jeff: But here too, Google’s been talking the OS, not the hardware.

Leo: Yea I think that’s smart. Be the platform, not the solution.

Jeff: Do you think they’ll ever have their own hardware, their showcase?

Leo: Yea, they seem to always for some reason, and I never really understand, Google does like to build hardware. I think the pixel, they’re referencing them in applications, right.

Gina: You want to make it work on the thing.

Leo: Yea.

Gina: Yea, just so people, real enthusiasts and Googlers, can use it.

Leo: So how big will Glass be at IO this year?

Gina: Good question.

Jeff: My instinct says not based on the appearance, but they are behind this thing.

Gina: And they’re pushing out updates like gangbusters.

Leo: Are they?

Gina: They are.

Leo: That’s interesting. That’s the kind of thing you do before an event.

Gina: Yes. One of the more interesting ones is this notification, I think it’s called Notification Glance. So if you get the notification sound and you glance up, it will wake the device and show it to you.
Leo: I love that.

Gina: It’s kind of like, that’s cool.

Leo: Does it kill the battery? Because it has to be watching you all the time.

Gina: That’s a good question.

Leo: How does it know you looked up? It must always be on.

Gina: Yea, some part of it right, has to be detecting that. The Moto X found a way around, they’re always listening, always watching.

Jeff: It’s only when you get an update, maybe it goes on a little bit right then.

Gina: Right, so you get the notification sound, you glance up and you glance down.

Leo: I would like to run this at Google IO. It’s Glass

Jeff: This is going to piss me off.

Leo: It’s a little bash script that looks for any Google Glass attached to the local network and boots them.

Jeff: What an ass.

Leo: Then it puts up Glass Hole discovered, deauthorizing. So it will kick Glass…

Jeff: How about violating somebody’s space and somebody’s privacy. This jerk is the one who’s doing it. Just because I have my Glass on, doesn’t mean I want to photograph you.

Leo: So I think one thing we’ll be seeing at Google IO is a little fist fight between Jeff and Julianne Oliver, author of Glass

Gina: I hear you Jeff. But if you’re the system and you’re the network administrator, you can kick any device off the network. But I agree, it’s the same as walking into a bar with a universal remote that shuts off all the TVs.

Jeff: Or the argument has been way back when, the theaters were going to block cell phones and pagers. You remember those? What if there was a surgeon in the audience that needs this?
Leo: But nobody uses Glass for emergency communications.
Jeff: But what if someone’s in the theater and is using Glass to get subtitles or something? I don’t know. It’s just a jerky thing to do to say I don’t like that technology so I’m going to ban it. I’m so clever. No you’re not, you jerk.

Gina: You get to use a data program, a data connection.

Leo: I don’t know how I feel about this. There are scenarios where you would like to say this is off the record.

Jeff: You’re going to see the person wearing this ridiculously huge thing.

Leo: Then you could say to that person, could you please take off.

Jeff: You know Leo, even without Glass I have things called eyes and ears and a memory. And you have to tell somebody that it’s off the record, based on that!

Leo: Yea, but there’s a big difference between Mitt Romney telling his perspective voters in a private session, 40% of all the elected is freeloading losers. And somebody repeating that, and somebody having a video of it, there’s a big difference.

Jeff: I think it’s all the better if they have the video.
Leo: I guess.

Jeff: I wouldn’t hang your hat on that one, Leo, because that’s a public official.

Leo: So it’s okay to record that because he’s a public official, even though it’s a private meeting? If I’m a public official, anything I do ever can be recorded and put on the internet?

Jeff: Whether it has newsworthy value, yea.

Leo: I don’t know if I want to live in that world.

Jeff: If a candidate for president of the United States calls 40% of the country lazy oafs, that’s newsworthy period. And the same thing, somebody in that room hears them say it and comes out and says you’re not going to believe what he said. And they report that. As a journalist, they support that openness. You happen to also record it? Bonus points, that’s all.

Leo: Here’s one you’re going to love then. Using Google Glass to shoot guns around corners. This is a program called Tracking Point that turns Google Glass into a remote site for aiming around corners. So here’s a guy who wears Glass, he basically used Glass to take a video of what he’s going to shoot at. And then aims around the corner using some software.

Jeff: Of course he can also put a monitor on his gun and look at that.

Leo: It’s dumb. And this almost feels like it’s intent, it’s like agit-prop. Somebody who doesn’t like Glass made this.
Gina: Glass kills.

Leo: To kill people. Is that how you say it, Jeff? Agit-prop? Probably some Germanic pronunciation for it. This will get those liberals scared!

Gina: You can also use it to save lives, right? It’s a tool. You can use it in lots of different ways.
Leo: Glass, I have to say, has been a wonderful magnet for stories, and that’s a good reason to like it.

Gina: It has.

Leo: Diane VonThurstenberg, we know as DVF, is making 13 new ladies frames and shades for Google Glass. DVF made for Glass collection will be out on the 23rd. You can, as a Glass explorer, you can buy them at the official Glass score, or at I’m not going to say sexist, and say Gina do you want these? I’m going to say Jeff do you want these? I think having a designer frame on such a dorky thing… the problem is you can dress up a pig. You can put lipstick on it.

Gina: It’s really nice except for that giant vein over that one eye.

Leo: I love these frames but what the hell is that thing over your temple?

Jeff: And how it makes you jerk your head all the time.

Gina: It would be really nice if the arms bent.

Leo: Firemen can save lives by using Google Glass, or shoot around corners. You take your choice. It’s been a great year talking about Glass. I hope it doesn’t go away. In fact I would like to see Google make a big announcement at IO, something like we’re now ready to start selling Glass as a consumer product.
Jeff: $200 is a lot of money I wasted.
Leo: That’s the price you pay to be a Glass Hole a year earlier than the rest of us.

Jeff: So should I wear my Glass at IO?

Leo: Didn’t you last year.

Jeff: No.

Gina: It’s one of the few places you can wear it and not worry about people not understanding what it is. I always just feel bad that the convention center, every single person has like five devices on them that’s connecting to WIFI.

Leo: I know. Will they give out Glass, free at IO?

Gina: Nah.

Leo: What will they give out? What fun gadgets will they give out?
Jeff: Somebody at Google told me that we’ll be pleased. That’s all I know.

Leo: That’s good. Because one school of thought would be that this is becoming a problem. A lot of losers who aren’t really developers are trying to get into IO just to get free stuff. And maybe we should knock this off and do what Apple does and say hey, this is for developers. You’re here because you want to learn how to develop.

Jeff: T-shirts is not enough.

Leo: Yea, here’s a t-shirt now go away. Could be Nexus 10, long waited not delivered. Could be Nexus 6, or whatever the equivalent phone. It could be Glass.

Gina: Glass, the watch, Android TV.

Leo: Watch, yea. I started this off with watches. Is there a Google watch?

Jeff: The Nest thermostat.

Gina: I’m just hoping a Nest. Hopefully it will be something early.

Leo: Can I ask you a question. I remember this story that went around that Nest was going to put ads on there. I remember Tony Fidel saying we’re never going to do that. That was a bogus story, right?

Jeff: It was. There were two bogus stories at the same time, that Nest has a little bit of a PR issue. I think it was in some kind of filing that he said just because it’s possible doesn’t mean we’re going to do it.

Leo: Everybody and their brother, several times this week on TWiT on various shows I’ve had to say no that wasn’t…

Jeff: There were two bogus stories and you…

Leo: People believed it.

Jeff: There was a big second recall which was only the beurocracy catching up to it.

Leo: That was another one. They fixed that. So both are bogus. That’s a sign of…

Jeff: Jaren Lenyaye wrote a piece of the Guardian saying he likes self-driving cars to be safer. But then of course going into worry about Google. They want them to drive us?

Leo: That’s Jaren who was a virtual reality advocate early on and has a very nice set of dreadlocks. He’s become an anti-technology guy in recent years.
Jeff: He’s a nice guy. I’d rather have Google drive me than Microsoft.

Leo: I have Microsoft in my car, not sure really how happy I am about that.

Jeff: Is that what puts you in the water?

Leo: No, that’s not. That’s QNX. That comes from Blackberry’s Rim. The Audi has QNX as its operating system. The Mustang has Microsoft Car. And actually Mustang works pretty well. And the Audi’s fixed, so there. I’m very sad to see this, Google is going to close the Texas factory in Ft. Worth where they build the Moto X. One of the things I liked about the Moto X is that it was a phone that is assembled in the United States. By the end of the year, they will be closing the factory. Of course, Google has sold Motorola Mobility to Lenovo. I had some hope that the 700 Texas workers who were assembling Moto X phones would keep their jobs.

Gina: That’s a bummer.

Leo: And this is happening before the transition. Google’s doing this. That’s actually not unusual now that I think of it. In the sale a company, you often fire everybody.

Jeff: You clean up your messes.

Leo: And then if the new company wants to rehire, then that’s up to them. But I would guess that Google has already said to Lenovo, do you want to keep this factory? No, fire them all please. Because otherwise, Lenovo would pay the severance and face the lawsuits and everything. So it’s going to be the currently owner that gets laid off. Weak sales, high costs, that’s what they’re saying. At its peak, they employed 3800 people. Today, only about 700.

Jeff: It’s a high-cost enterprise but the weak sales, that’s disturbing for other reasons.

Leo: Strategy Analytics says, now Google isn’t saying how many Moto X’s are sold but Strategy Analytics says fewer than a million. About 900,000. Comparing to the Apple iPhone which sold 26 million units in the same period. The 5S, Samsung will be even more. I liked that phone. I think we’re going to think back and say those were the days, my friends. I guess the Moto X cell phone will be made in China like everything else. Twelve thousand people in the first day, asked to be forgotten in Europe.

Jeff: And by now it is more than 40,000.

Leo: How does Google do this?

Jeff: It’s just ridiculous. And among the ironies, they’ve only made Google more powerful. Because now Google’s going to be the arbitrate of what’s relevant, what’s bad, what’s this what’s that. And it’s just ridiculous. It really is scary and there’s no opportunity for repeal.

Leo: So something like 10,000 requests a day.

Gina: How many take down requests so they get to DMCA?

Leo: Oh, far fewer than that.
Gina: Fewer than that?

Leo: Far fewer than that.

Gina: I hear you and agree that the ruling is troubling. But Google deals with spam and take down requests from big companies all the time.

Jeff: They’ve got to make a judgment, Gina. You have to make a human qualitative judgment, not whether this is infringing material. Was this created by Disney or not.

Gina: I thought they kick it back to the court though if it was unclear.

Leo: It’s up to Google. There is no absolute right to have the information deleted. Google will have to weigh a number of criteria in responding to the request including relevance and time past. This comes from an article in PC World by Jennifer Baker. Google has to work at what a reasonable consumer might found out dated. This is not straight-forward. If they do not anticipate, they will have too many requests. What a mess. I’m a little sympathetic because there are things that I would love to be forgotten on the internet.
Gina: Don’t we all have that?

Leo: It doesn’t have to be untrue. This is just something very important to underscore. It can be true.

Jeff: It’s rewriting history.

Leo: Right. If it’s untrue, you have recourse with a liable and so forth. You can go to the source and say that’s not true, you have to take that down.

Jeff: Somebody just did a comment and I read about this. One step that should’ve been in here is to demonstrate to Google that you went to the source and try to get it down there. And failing that.

Leo: That would be good. Did you try the guy who posted it? Peter,, the European data protection supervisor is happy with Google’s online form. He says yea, Google is organizing itself which is welcome. I don’t know what country he’s from. Because ruling means the search engine needs to anticipate with a reasonable expectation who a consumer might be. That’s a terrible thing.
Jeff: What I pray happens, what I really want to see happen, is that a link to a site gets pulled down and the holder of that site sues. I want to see a ballast and I wanted people to sue to protect their free speech.
Leo: The right to remember.

Jeff: We discussed on this show before. It’s not always going to be in the U.S. All you have to do is go search on, not .de or .fr and you’ll find anything. This only holds in the European countries.

Gina: What somebody needs to do is build an extension or a bookmark that actually highlights the results on that have been forgotten on other search engines. Then it will highlight things of particular interest. But in terms of determining this…

Leo: That’s a good idea.

Gina: It would be easy to do.

Leo: No longer on Google

Gina: No longer on or whatever.

Leo: Oh my god that’s a great idea.

Gina: No one could do anything about that. It would certainly make those results, I don’t know what’s been struck in European search engines. And that would be pretty trivial programming-wise. But in terms of determining relevance, that’s what Google does, right? That’s what Google does every day in every search.

Leo: But it doesn’t do it automatically. This will be a team of people who will review every request.

Jeff: Gina thinks the guy who costs the case, and as John Oliver said, now the only thing the world knows about us is the thing they don’t want to know. So is his foreclosure years ago, what the hell it mean to be relevant. Relevant to whom? I’m going to hire the guy and wonder if I should trust him or not. If I want to give him a loan or go into business with him, then yea it’s relevant to me. If I wanted to go on a date with him, maybe it’s still relevant. But if I want to, you know…

Leo: So there will be…

Jeff: Selling my skis, then it’s not relevant.

Leo: You have to be in the EU and it will only be in the EU versions, the search results will still be available in other jurisdictions including the U.S. There will be a notice at the bottom of each page that will say this was removed under the right to be forgotten act.

Jeff: Oh, that will make it real easy to do what Gina said. All you got to do is do a disk between those two pages then, right Gina?

Gina: Yea.

Jeff: Oh, that’s great.

Gina: It’s literally just like getting rid of URLs and comparing it to URLs on the other. It’s a double-request. And it needs to start. But yea, it would be pretty trivial.

Leo: Google has shared information about what kinds of requests they’re getting. 31% of the requests were for fraudulent or scam-incident reports they want removed. Of course if you’re a fraudster, you would want that removed but I don’t know if that’s in the public interest. 20% were reports of violent or serious crime arrests. 12% are for child pornography arrests. So more than 63% of these are for crimes.

Jeff: Well there’s a different attitude. In the U.S. we take people have been arrested but not charged yet on perp walks in front of news cameras.

Leo: Yea, they do don’t they.

Jeff: In Europe, they block the eyes. And after you’ve served your sentence, you can have it expunged in Europe. And you can have it in some cases in the U.S., you can have it expunged. But the fact of what you did…

Leo: This is fitting. You know who’s on the board, on the advisory board. It will review the process for Google. Jimmy Whales, who himself had a few things he wanted removed. Eric Schmidt, David Drummond, Google’s legal counsel. Frank LaRue, who’s a U.N. special reporter on the promotion and prediction of the right of freedom of opinion and expression. Peggy Valke, director of the University of Leuden Law School. Jose Luis Pinar, the former head of Spain’s data protection authority. Jimmy Whales, an ethics professor at Oxford with Gianna Floriti.

Jeff: They didn’t ask us.

Leo: They didn’t ask me. You want to fill out the form? Let’s fill out the form. You want to just ask for something to be taken down.

Jeff: If you’re going to do something, have you played the John Oliver thing?

Leo: We should play that. That was very very good. I thought it was so far the best…

Jeff: If you want to put forth some effort, fill out the form from the FCC.

Leo: That’s right. Don’t fill out this form. John Oliver did it, and we won’t play it today but I will refer people to John Oliver’s description of net neutrality proposals, but the FCC. I can’t repeat the phrase he used. But cable company F-ery

Jeff: The internet’s not broken and the FCC is going to fix that?

Leo: Yes.

Jeff: He said trolls of the earth, the great funny things you can do with trolls. Now you can use your skills for good. Go troll the FCC and indeed they did so much that tore down the FCC comment survey.

Leo: I’m not sure that’s a good response. Sad to hear. But good on you John Oliver. It took him awhile but a couple weeks after the proposals, yea there it is. It’s on YouTube, search for his new show, Last Week Tonight and his segment on net neutrality.

Jeff: It’s a very good segment folks. Pass it around please.

Leo: It’s got a lot of tweets and so far. Preventing cable company F-ery. I love John Oliver and I’m glad he did that.

Gina: Leo, if you’re in here would you submit to the form the things that you wish the internet would forgotten about you?

Leo: On principle, I would bite the bullet and say, and I know somebody who would. I would bit the bullet and say look, you know. I also understand the other side. A close friend who has spent a lot of time and effort to put other things on the internet so that search results from Google don’t point exclusively to negative reports.

Jeff: I understand the human motive. I just think that the court didn’t balance the rights of knowledge free speech and memory.

Leo: Well, my feeling is if it’s untrue, pursue liable. If it’s true…

Jeff: That varies from country to country. In the U.S., that’s truth, oh you’re right. You also have to prove damage.

Leo: There’s damage. Anyway, I think those are reasonable standards. If you can prove it’s untrue and there’s damage… but the laws exist for that. If it actually happened and there is no damage, I think there’s no right to pull it off the internet.

Gina: So forgetting child pornography and debt and things, and you look at the Snap Chat founder or Zuckerberg saying things when they were 19 or 20 years old, that they wished the internet had forgotten. Them having to apologize as men now for being teenage boys and talking in a way that most teenage boys would just talk in a locker room and there wouldn’t be a record of it. But these folks are very successful founders now and this is sort of on their record.

Jeff: But Gina, it’s our judgment of them as people? I think we’ve had this discussion before.

Gina: We have.

Leo: Who among doesn’t have regrets? We all have regrets about things that happened in the past.

Gina: Absolutely.

Leo: Life doesn’t provide a mechanism to erase those things we regret.

Jeff: I wish I could go to some people that I’ve hurt…

Gina: But life did before the internet.

Leo: No life didn’t. If it was public, it was public.

Gina: But before the internet, the internet is a particular type of memory that has never existed before. Telling stories by word of mouth was a different thing than having a file that lived out there forever, right? Our technology isn’t built to deal with information and past information, saving information, and forgetting information the way that we collectively do as a culture and a community, right? I think that’s the issue, is our technology doesn’t forget. We do forget, we are in this weird space where a photo of someone as a kid doing something stupid looks just as real and up to date as who they are today. I get what you’re saying, Jeff. Of course I’m not going to hold Zuck accountable for the things he said when he was 20 years old. Although I have to tell you, I didn’t forget about that. I forgave but didn’t forget. There was a time when he…

Jeff: Gina, that’s the key. It’s what you do with the knowledge you have. This goes back to what Dana Boyd talked about. It’s not the gathering, it’s the use. And what you’re doing is you’re deciding when to be tolerant, when to look past, and when to find an openness to the knowledge that people make mistakes. And that’s what society has to do. Internet or no, we’ve got to be able to forgive people for screwing up because we all do.

Gina: Right. But it’s about a time right? It’s about time that’s past. If Zuckerberg said those things now, it would be a huge thing for his company. But because he said them a long time ago, people remember them.

Jeff: What if I said something racist? I haven’t, but then 40 years later I run for office. Is that relevant? See, it’s a whole relevance test. At the time, right now, is it relevant? Google could take it down, no the guys not a racist it’s been 20 years, take it down. Then suddenly I’m running for Congress, should I? And history has been erased, and who erased it? This is another digital divide. People have the sophistication to go in and do these things.

Leo: It’s funny, what did I say, 61% were to pull down criminal activities. 39% were from a William G. Gates that just wanted people to forget that he ever posted for this picture.

Gina: But see that’s cute and charming. Today I saw Peter Dingliche’s mullet high school year book picture. It was funny, it was cute.

Leo: But Peter might not think it’s so cute or funny right? He might not like it. And he’d have the right to have you forget it.

Gina: But I think things like racist remarks… it’s tough. And I often feel like our technology didn’t automatically by default remember everything perfectly because our memories don’t.

Jeff: But again I think what we have to do is figure out as a society what to forgive and when to forgive it. And trying to rewrite history is not the way to do it. It creates a tool that has been used by tyrannical governments, to rewrite reality.

Leo: It’s a such a tough one. This is such a tough one. It’s so hard.

Gina: And it encourage intolerance. But I hear you.

Leo: Although I got to say, when pictures of you are posted on Reddit that look like that… it’s cute.

Gina: C’mon, tell me that’s amazing. So somebody posted Lanister on the front and Dothracke on the back.

Leo: God bless you, Reddit. God bless you! Now there’s something he’s guilty of. He really is guilty of, somebody said. I love it. Let us, I’m just looking at what else we have to talk about. But with it, we’re kind of running out of time here. YouTube is also waiting on the net neutrality issue. Of course, they’ll be one of the companies that will be asked for money by ISPs who want to start a fast lane. So they have released a U.S. focused version of their video quality report, which lets you check which ISPs produce the best looking YouTube streams. So I can see here, wow. That after, wow. Looks like it starts to really go up in the afternoon and by 9:00 at night that is a lot of video consumption right there. It says users on YouTube HD-verified network, though this is something new, HD-verified. Should expect smooth playback most of the time. Compare providers in your area. So Comcast is HD-verified. Obviously that means YouTube is paying them money, right? AT&T, YouVerse, SonicNet. Very interesting. The clear point and this is a point of course John Oliver makes in his show, is that over 90% of Americans only have two choices for internet service. It’s not like you have a choice to go somewhere better. Amazon’s going to have a device launch. We mentioned this. They put out an invitation and announcement. Come June 18th, we’ll probably be covering this in Seattle. A 3D display of some kind. According to ReCode, it’s a 3D phone display. Now I thought that the rumor was Amazon was going to do a 3D phone seemed very far-fetched. But apparently that’s what we’re going to see on the 18th. Amazon is not sending invitations, but inviting those who want to attend to watch the people using whatever this device is. Turning their heads.

Jeff: In other news, Amazon released a video where actors act like they’re looking at a product.

Leo: Whoa! One guy’s pivoting on his… pretty damn intuitive!

Jeff: Charlie Rose comes in and says whoa! And Chad, you’re exactly right. There was a great piece in the New York Times this last week about Harvard Business School and I think it was Clayton Christensen, got in a room to record a lecture for online education. He looked around and he saw students were attractive. Really attractive, and he finally just asked are you students? Oh no we’re actors.

Leo: Wow. This is I think really an innovation here. They’re posted on the You request an invitation.

Jeff: Where is it going to be held?
Leo: Seattle. You request an invitation and I’ll fly you out there. And you say, I want to wear my Glass during this.

Jeff: I’m flying enough man.

Leo: Who could we send up there? Jason, you want to go to Seattle on the 18th? Jason should go. Yea, we’ll send Jason. You have three choices, are you an Amazon customer, a developer, or a journalist. And then you can do an optional video submission saying why you should attend.

Jeff: Jesus. Why would you want to go to a flock event.

Leo: And it’s right on the front page of Amazon, there. Would you want an invite to a new device we’re unveiling? This is going to be the phone. Look at the edge of it. This is a phone.

Jeff: Based on what Amazon did to Android and the Kindle, I’m never buying an Amazon phone.

Leo: And really I don’t know why you’d want a 3D display on a phone.

Jeff: You’ll like this.

Leo: So Jesus’ eyes can follow you.

Gina: Yes, there you go. Imagine him wearing Glass and using that.

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Gina: I know, I’m a sucker for Easter eggs. They’re not the most useful things in the world but they’re fun. Google always has a bunch of them. There’s a new one in Google Maps that tells you how long it will take you to travel by lock ness monster. You have to search for directions from a certain Fort Augustus to a certain castle. And then there will be a little egg in the route options area. If you see it, click on route options. And there’s an egg…

Leo: Where? Where? Are you doing it or am I doing it? You’re doing it.

Chad: I’m currently doing it.

Leo: Well I’m currently doing it too, so there. What do I click on, best route, fewest transfers?

Gina: Let’s see, less walking.

Leo: Let’s do less walking. There’s an Easter egg right here and I can go via lock ness monster. What the heck?

Gina: Twenty-eight minutes.

Leo: And if you click the Easter egg you’ll see other ones. It says 28 minutes by lock ness monster. I would like to go by dragon, please. I wonder if Google Earth would actually show Nessie on that trip. No, apparently not. Is that lock ness, you’ll be traveling from Fort Augustus to Erkquart Castle? I like it.

Gina: I thought it was cute.

Leo: Jeff, wake up! It’s time for your number of the week. I’m glad you did this one. You should do this one.

Jeff: I’ll do this one. So Google, to its credit…

Leo: Is that dragon?
Chad: Yea that’s by dragon.

Gina: Nice!

Leo: Where am I going?

Chad: You’re going from Snowden to Brechen-beacons … I’m not sure where that’s at.

Leo: Snowden to Brechen-beacons. Make sure you go with the best route which is dragon. Wow.

Chad: It’s fly-by straight. As the dragon flies. It’s only 28 minutes. If you take a car, it’s three hours.

Leo: Take the dragon.

Gina: Those dragons, they’re expensive but they’re worth it.

Jeff: Self-driving dragon.

Leo: Where your flame-proof underwear. Go ahead, Jeff. Your number.

Jeff: So Google to its credit revealed its diversity numbers, fully confessing they need to work on this.

Leo: It’s not good.

Jeff: 70% male and 61% white. Little more details than that. This is a constant conversation in my field as well in journalism. For example, encourage Rammis City University. You get more, for example, black males, Hispanic males. In my field, you get the diversity, and you put in there as very hard. Given the minorities at Google are international.

Leo: We don’t have any… working here. We have extended job offers to several. They keep saying no. I don’t know why. I think it’s a problem in general.

Jeff: It is. And credit to Google for saying this, because it also influences policy and scholarship funds and schools and things like that to say that Google wants a bigger pool of talent to hire from, as do we. And it requires explicit action.

Leo: It starts in education and opportunities.

Gina: Yea, good for them for publishing their numbers.

Leo: I applaud them, because the numbers were like wow.

Jeff: Yea.

Leo: If I think about it, they probably have Silicon Valley as a general.

Gina: Yea, when folks were saying the TV show Silicon Valley, there’s no women. It’s like yea, it’s making fun of…

Leo: They even said that. They went to Tech Crunch and said guys, the male to female ratio is now 15% female. You got to be careful now, you could lose your heads. There was a picture of the men’s room at the bathroom line and WWDC.

Gina: Oh yea, this is good. That’s one advantage. The bathroom is always clean and empty, when you’re a woman.

Leo: This is the worldwide developers conference last year and then this year was a little bit better. So this is this year’s. Nope, I don’t see any women. Long line for the men’s room. This year, the same picture, a little bit longer line. Here’s the best one. This was last year.

Gina: I’m really happy this conversation is happening and I hope it continues to happen. We got to do better. And that’s been widely acknowledged and this is part of it. And I’m happy. I’m happy when people are talking about it.

Leo: Good, me too. I’m really excited about my tool, something that’s been on iOS for some time and I just got it for Android, and I’m really happy. I think it’s one of the best calendar apps I’ve used. It’s called Sunrise Calendar by Sunrise. It’s now available free on Android and on your desktop which is kind of cool too. Let me show you, I’ll show you on my phone. I don’t know how well you can see my phone. It’s got a very nice user interface. It has month interface, it’s got day, it’s got week. It puts icons next to people’s names and makes the links hotlinks. It puts in maps, it does a lot of very nice things, I think. That make your calendar very pretty and highly functional. These are my invitations that I have not yet said yes to. Here’s the week view, just really nice. And what I really like about it, of course it’s very easy to use with Google Calendar. You just sign into your Google Calendar and it automatically populates. And they have a really nice web-based version of this as well. So if you go to the web-based calendar version which is at And this is free by the way. You can connect with Google, it will download my calendar and it gives you a really attractive month-by-month interface on your desktop. Almost eliminates the need for a desktop calendar app, frankly. I really like it. They’ve done a stellar job, I think. So it’s called Sunrise. iOS, now Android and desktop. That’s my tool of the week. Thank you ladies and gentlemen for being here. This has been a fun TWiG. Jeff, thank you for as always, making the extra effort to be here in a foreign land.

Jeff: I move heaven/earth and sonnet towels.

Leo: Well we’re very grateful to you for that.

Gina: Thank you Jeff.

Leo: What time is it, it’s 11:00 there?
Jeff: It’s midnight.

Leo: Well we’ll get you to bed because you have a speech tomorrow. Give everyone at Google our regards.

Jeff: Will do.

Leo: And Jeff of course Jeff is professor of journalism at Q-NE in New York. On Time Square. You can also read his blog at, and his many books are on Amazon. There’s Public Parts and What Would Google Do. Gina Trepani’s biz is ThinkUp. A great place to get insights into your Facebook and Twitter feed. What if analytics were for real people, she says.

Gina: You know, we’re actually redoing that landing page, Leo. Because it’s terrible. It doesn’t really explain what the product is. And the team was scrambling to get that done by TWiG today. We didn’t quite make it.

Leo: How about if I show my ThinkUp analytics. I always like going through this. When I go to my page, this is the type of stuff I get.

Gina: I think a congratulations is in order, Leo. ThinkUp noticed that you had something very exciting that happened.

Leo: Does it have a thing?

Gina: Well your photo changed.

Leo: This status update got 10 times the likes. 464 people liked that, aww.

Gina: Yea, that’s a good photo.

Leo: That’s nice.

Gina: We’re still in beta!

Leo: It shows you your tweets, and what people like. Actually this is a tweet I might want to mention at some point. Remember I talked about Oyster Books was suddenly billing me monthly on my Google Wallet. So I got on a chat with Google Wallet tech support and they said they couldn’t do anything. They said contact Oyster. So I contacted Oyster and they said no we don’ know anything about it. We don’t use Google Wallet. I said well what am I supposed to do? Oyster Book’s solution was sign up for an account on Oyster Books and then cancel. And we’ll see because they use Stripe I guess so they don’t see any… meanwhile every month I get charged $10. So my point I guess is Google Wallet is not a credit card. There is a credit card associated to it, but it’s not a credit card. If it were, I could just say stop it and they would have to stop it, right?

Gina: Yea.

Leo: But Google Wallet says nothing we can do about it.

Gina: Yea, that’s a bummer.

Leo: So I am going to call the Mastercard associated to my Google Wallet and say can you stop it.

Jeff: Yea.

Leo: And if you didn’t use a Mastercard… and the problem is my Google Wallet is tied to Google Music and my app purchases, so I can’t just get rid of my Google Wallet or not fund it. You cannot fund your wallet, then it won’t… but I’ll lose other things.

Gina: It’s crazy how hard, credit cards are so hard. We had so many credit card failures. It’s still so hard to manage this kind of thing. Even with great tools, like Stripe, and Amazon Payments, and Google Wallet. You still run into these weird situations where it’s like what is going on. I’m sorry, Leo.

Leo: It’s fine. It’s $10 a month, it’s not killing me. But at the same time it’s something people should understand.

Jeff: It’s the time and the irritation.

Leo: No it’s fine, it’s not even there. I let it go for three months before I made any effort. But, you should understand that you are vulnerable if you’re using Google Wallet. They can literally throw up their hands and say yea, contact the company. What if it’s fraudulent, what if it’s not a real company? Can’t help you. That’s not right. I was shocked when the rep from Google Wallet said no, we can’t do anything about it.

Jeff: Well that policy might be changing.

Leo: But I guess because the way banking regulations work, it’s not a credit card. It’s a debit account. It’s not rejected. Back to ThinkUp, I love ThinkUp.

Gina: Thank you, Leo. And our front page is actually going to explain what we do a little more. That will probably be up tomorrow.

Leo: The best thing is to look at somebody’s analytics and see how many things you learned. I tweeted 20 times last week and I can see what my number one tweet was and it’s just really great. Who follows me, what verified users follow me. My favorite one is your retweet garnered somebody half a million users. I like that. Alright, thank you everybody. It’s been so much fun. Gina Trepani, is her blog which she never posts to because she’s busy making ThinkUp better, There is to-do text too, that’s your great to-do list for Android. Thanks for Chad Johnsons. He works very hard each week thinking out what we can talk about.

Chad: As always.

Leo: And thanks to you for joining us. We do TWiG 1pm Pacific, 4pm Eastern time, 2000-UTC every Wednesday afternoon right here. I hope you will stop by and watch live. If you can’t though, on-demand audio and video is always available at, and on our apps. There are apps for every platform. We have third-party developers who take a lot of time and effort to write those and we thank them and tip our hat to them. And of course on iTunes and podcasts. Thank you for watching. We’ll see you next time on TWiG!

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