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Tech News Weekly 390 Transcript

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0:00:00 - Mikah Sargent
Coming up on Tech News Weekly. Scott Stein of CNET got a chance to try out the Nintendo Switch 2. He shares his first thoughts on the device after playing a whole heck of a lot of Mario Kart World. Then Amanda Silberling of TechCrunch stops by to talk about Reddit suing Anthropic for scraping a bunch of data. Afterward we talk about how Amazon is working toward bringing humanoid robots to package delivery, before we round things out with Christopher Lawley, tech YouTuber, who will be at WWDC and gives us a preview of Apple's yearly developer conference. All of that coming up on Tech News Weekly.

This is Tech News Weekly, episode 390, with Amanda Silberling and me, Mikah Sargent, recorded Thursday June 5th 2025. Nintendo Switch 2, initial impressions. Hello and welcome to Tech News Weekly, the show where, every week, we talk to and about the people making and breaking the tech news. We're kicking things off a little differently this week because we are kicking things off with an interview. Joining me to talk about some time spent with the Switch 2 is Scott Stein of CNET. Welcome back to the show, Scott.

0:01:23 - Scott Stein
Hey, thanks a lot Thanks for having me again.

0:01:26 - Mikah Sargent
Scott Stein of CNET. Welcome back to the show, Scott. Hey, thanks a lot. Thanks for having me again. Yeah, thank you for being here. I know you are being asked by everyone across the world about your impressions and thoughts about the Switch 2, so I am honored that you chose to take some time to join us today. You know, to kick things off you, in writing this piece, talk a lot about Mario Kart World, as this was kind of the hands-on you got to do. Spent hours with it. Hands-on time with the Switch 2 itself. For listeners who have yet to catch up, can you talk about the key takeaways, about what is new in this generation? What makes it the Switch 2 as opposed to the Switch?

0:02:00 - Scott Stein
Yeah, so they did a lot of under-the-hood stuff which is different. And, starting with the chip, there's a new NVIDIA chip inside and there's a lot of claims about AI upscaling and improving graphics. It can run 4K and higher refresh rates on a TV. It's got a. The system itself has a 7.9 inch 1080p screen. It's LCD, but it looks good that can run higher refresh rates.

You know the Joy-Cons are redesigned so they have more rumble and they also magnetically snap on. But you know a lot of the stuff that's going on with this. Also, it works with cameras in an interesting way, which I'll get to in a sec. It can split your faces up and put it into the game in a way that's pretty clever. And it adds this game chat feature which is a live onboard. You know four to 12 player audio slash video chat thing, and those are the new things. But you know a lot of those potentials are still kind of unknown. You know, right now we're right at the beginning. Nintendo has a couple of exclusive games, a lot of ports and updates to some games and it feels a little more like a pro-ier Switch than it does a completely new thing, like kind of by design.

0:03:17 - Mikah Sargent
Understood. Now. You did mention and I think this was one of the most interesting things leading up to it we saw like a new button right on the controller, and then we heard about game chat. You describe it as Nintendo's audio video hangout zone. How does it actually work in practice? And, I think more importantly, how big a shift is this from Nintendo's previous approach to online multiplayer and online multiplayer conversation?

0:03:44 - Scott Stein
Yeah, Nintendo's always been pretty locked down on online stuff and it can be frustrating for people who are used to a deeply online gaming life. They've gotten a lot better. In the Switch years A lot of that chat stuff was always offloaded to the Nintendo phone app and I think people kind of found their own way. You might have just done Twitch or something else if you wanted to chat. You might have just done Twitch or something else if you wanted to chat.

But now this is something that's built in and you have to connect through friend codes and invitations, so you have to still very deliberate thing where you're inviting people in and then inviting them into the chat and it's pretty instant. Once you do that, it starts as audio. You can also add video if you have a camera and it was pretty seamless in the demos we tried with Nintendo. I'm still getting on my feet with it now because we did not have early review units. We just picked them up on Wednesday and you have to have other people to do game chat Right Switch too yeah so we're just kind of getting on our feet with that.

But I think it's a good move. And what's interesting is that it is definitely designed to not have to be playing games together. It starts as just hey, we're all chatting, then you can do on, you can connect with the games you're playing and play. But it starts as kind of like a party group and I think that's pretty common. I mean, I know with my kids that's kind of how they're playing all the. They start with a bunch of chats and they're talking with friends and then they play, and I think it probably is pretty generational because it's not what I'm doing.

But I don't know how flexible it's going to be and how frustrating that might be for people. And also, what's interesting is when I set up Game Chat, it asked for my phone number to authenticate. So I'm not quite sure what that means, because I didn't know that that would be part of it. And then it, you know, does that mean that every person who's doing game chat needs a phone number? In which case, what does that mean for kids? Um, does it mean with? I mean, there are kid accounts and it might mean that the parent can then authorize it, but uh, I don't know is the answer, but I just thought that was a little bit of a surprise yeah, that, actually that really surprises me as well.

0:05:50 - Mikah Sargent
Um, I suppose, from the aspect of maybe making it easier to uh track and ban accounts that are offenders, uh, that could be a good feature. But yeah, if, if you've got multiple because I'm immediately thinking about when I've needed to sign up and create accounts on any website and need to make more than one for whatever reason work stuff or whatever and the second account, I go to type in the phone number and it goes well, you've already done that with a different one. So what if you have two kids? Is that going to all work with the same phone number? People could have to get these. Yeah, that leaves a lot of questions to be answered and before I ask you the next question, I want to follow up there. You said I don't know. Could you give a little bit more context about the situation when it comes to the review of the Switch 2 across the entire industry of? You know journalists who are writing about this thing.

0:06:43 - Scott Stein
It's been very on the fly. You know, I think you know we didn't get early review units. Apparently, there were some software updates that were needed. You know, we had early demos. We had a demo all the way back in April when they were doing the tour, and then we got another opportunity a week ago to spend more time with some of the key features and kind of get explained some of the stuff that we did already know, but in a little more detail. But what we didn't know was how it would feel once you're setting it up and using it. So we're in a hot situation now where we're using it on the fly, just like a lot of people who bought them.

I think it further reinforces to me that it's kind of a soft launch of the Switch 2.

I mean, it's a big launch in that I think they're going to sell a ton of them, but this is something that Nintendo is going to be getting on its feet over the course of the next year, because the Switch is already so popular that the Switch 2 doesn't need to be an instant hit and a lot of people are probably going to wait a bit.

And so as features roll out, as maybe kinks get worked out as more games arrive. I kind of expect it to be a rolling start. Um, and that's how I'm treating it, cause right now, like I don't know for instance, I don't know how fast it is to charge I was just sharing this on blue sky, but it seems like it's charging slowly and someone at the verge, uh, chatted back and said, yeah, they saw the same thing. So all those questions, things that are important, we're learning. So it's going to take a good week. Usually I take a good week or more to review something, ideally, and you know I'm on day one and a half at the moment, while also coming on shows like this to talk about it.

0:08:24 - Mikah Sargent
Yeah, exactly.

0:08:25 - Christopher Lawley
It's pulling you away from the game time.

0:08:27 - Mikah Sargent
One of the things you talked about, camera-connected features something kind of interesting floating live video faces in Mario Kart World. I mean that's fun, but it does seem technically ambitious. What did it actually feel like using that feature in real gameplay? What?

0:08:44 - Scott Stein
did it actually feel like using that feature in real gameplay? So it's kind of impressed upon me that the camera which I was feeling pretty dismissive of with the first Nintendo Switch event because they were showing it mainly with Mario Party Jamboree, with some fun but gimmicky things that felt like you know memories of PlayStation Eye, microsoft, kinect, all these things from the past that you might remember, and I thought, okay, you know they're kind of doing that, but I think they're going to be doing a lot more with it. First of all, it works with the game chat and it can actually do some interesting kind of green screen-y stuff of your face and zooming in. But the camera-enabled modes can separate out four different people at once from the same camera, which I'm not.

I'm not, I'm not studying camera tech all the time, but that felt like a magic trick even to me. Having seen a lot of this tech. That felt pretty new and, um, and I think it's a trick that the uh processor is able to pull off too. So you know it will, you'll pre-identify which faces to to keep in frame. Uh, I'm not sure how good the tracking actually is, but at least it keeps it in frame.

0:09:47 - Christopher Lawley
You may have to move your head in that zone.

0:09:54 - Scott Stein
But the point is it will then cut out and live feed your faces into the game. So as you're driving the Mario Kart, you can look up ahead and I can see my colleague Ahmad all the way up in first place, like I did yesterday, and it's live. You know it's it's like slow refresh rate a little bit, but you know you can like taunt someone, make a face that's super cool it is cool.

It also lets you know. It lets you know where they are too, because there's a lot of times when you're playing these games, like smash brothers or um or mario kart where you're kind of like where are they again?

0:10:25 - Mikah Sargent
and yeah, who is who?

0:10:26 - Scott Stein
yeah, exactly you're and now you're like I'm gonna get him or no, I'm not, I'm gonna lose, but I think it added a lot to the fun and I think it it it really turned us into a like oh, maybe I need to get the camera. So, at 55 for their camera, you can also plug in your own USB-C cameras, apparently. But as someone was asking me, they wanted my thoughts on that and I haven't gotten there yet, so I don't have a lot of cameras lying around. Um, that is an interesting question.

0:10:54 - Mikah Sargent
I you know how well you could just plug in your own, but I think it's a really interesting feature yeah, absolutely, and what I love about Nintendo is the novel ideas that the company seems to come up with that are quirky, but then you go. You know what the delight makes the quirkiness just work. You did speaking a little bit more about Mario Kart World. You did talk about playing with 24 people. That's pretty wild. 24 people, that's pretty wild. What makes that scale of multiplayer so different and engaging versus?

0:11:33 - Scott Stein
playing against Princess Peach Robot. It feels like Mad Max. You know, I felt like when we were playing with the 24 gaming journalists and tech journalists in that demo and you're playing in, like the tracks feel pretty wide open too to accommodate those number, because that gets pretty. You get pretty bottlenecked. It just reminded me of like Fury Road, with like all the cars going at once and you're like things are firing and you're like how do I get out of this? I think it changes the strategy at that scale. But also there's a new mode that I think really makes great use of it.

That knockout tour, which a lot of people are saying is kind of like could have been the name someone said this online like that could have been the name for mario kart world. Um, I think that's that's true where, um, kind of like a 99 player, you know, kind of survival mode. This is like every race, every one of the courses, they'll cut you off. You know you have to make it to 18th place or out. You have to make it to whatever 12th place or out.

Yeah, and it adds an extra pressure, but not like, oh, I have to get in first place right now, but I better not fall too far behind pressure. But not like, oh, I have to get in first place right now, but I better not fall too far behind. And I think it works really well for that large, chaotic group. I think that's a really good fit because you lose track of and also getting into first place feels almost impossible with 24 people, but you could try to be into like a top group and then see how luck plays out once you get down to like eight, you know, maybe you catch fire. So I think that's. I think it's great use of it and I don't want to go back. You know it hooked me on the large player size.

0:13:16 - Mikah Sargent
If I can find other people online, yeah especially this early on, right, Right, so let's round things out here. After two extended demo sessions, you still weren't fully convinced. You mentioned that the Switch 2 is a must-buy right here at launch, that people need to run and go grab it as quickly as possible. What do you think would need to change or what software would need to arrive to tip the balance into the go-grab-it-now situation? Or is it just a matter of let's just wait and see?

0:13:47 - Scott Stein
I think it's like it depends on the audience too. You know, I know a lot of people like I know a lot of dads that are running out and getting it anecdotally, you know, and I think, like, if you have the money, if you have a large Switch library, if you like the idea of again the pro appeal, where it's kind of like the PS5 Pro, where you're like, oh, I have a huge library and I think upgrading all these games in my library matters to me, but for somebody else who's thinking about spending money on this, it's a significant amount of money. There are more expensive things in the world, but $450 is not cheap and I think it needs to develop a bigger unique library of games to justify that they're leaning on the Switch library. But right now you just have Mario Kart World and this Welcome Tour little thing which is cute but it should have been free, but then again it's only $10. If you, it's like a tour of the Switch 2 and its features and multiplayer. I think if you're really starved for extra things to show off the mouse functions like it's probably worth throwing $10 at it. But it feels like Nintendo is trying to just like get a few extra bucks out of you and I think I think that some of the ports, the new ports, like Cyberpunk 2077, which I'm still going to be getting into playing they show a lot of potential for where it could be like a Steam Deck and play more things like PC and PS5 and Xbox. But we have to kind of see how that plays out, see how really capable it is, and I want more Nintendo whimsy actually.

So, speaking of which, I was a little let down by the whimsy approach. I wrote a piece saying I was expecting even more wild cards. I know they come out of left field with things. Those may still come. Sometimes Nintendo gets burned on those like Labo, the cardboard folding thing they did a number of years ago, which I still think was genius but was probably too ambitious. And then they have some other interesting accessories and things. And while the mouse feature is fun it's a mouse like you can use the Joy-Con, it's okay and the camera thing is fun, but again it doesn't work when you're in handheld mode, so that's like you have to be docked in front of a TV. I'm mostly a handheld player, so I really like Switch in that mode, so I think it needs I'm looking forward to a little more.

Also, indie game from Nintendo. Whimsy, Nintendo often would take shots in different directions with games. You go what the heck is this? And right now they're leaning on some pretty safe franchise moves Donkey Kong, mario Kart kart, more of the things you like. Um, I I think they need to take some swings in like what is this? What is this? You know crazy frog thing that I don't know. Like you did surprise us, like pikmin, when pikmin first came out around animal crossing. You know, I think that'll come, but it does seem like right now, in 2025, Nintendo is looking for smooth continuity with what they've already got understood.

0:16:46 - Mikah Sargent
Well, uh, we will continue to watch. Uh, what what makes its way out there, as everybody at the same time is getting their hands on this and, as you mentioned, you know kind of figuring out people, what issues people are running into. If people want to keep up with what you're doing, where should they go to do that?

0:17:04 - Scott Stein
You can follow me on Blue Sky. I'm on there a ton. You can also check out all my stuff on CNET, which I am always on and on CNET's YouTube channel, and those are pretty good places to start.

0:17:16 - Mikah Sargent
Beautiful. Thank you so much, Scott, for joining us today, and I'm sure we'll see you again soon.

0:17:21 - Scott Stein
Thanks a lot. Yeah, I'll be playing.

0:17:25 - Mikah Sargent
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All righty, that means. Now it is time to introduce my co-host this week. It's Amanda Silberling of TechCrunch Joining us. Welcome back, Amanda.

0:21:03 - Amanda Silberling
Hello, I am here.

0:21:06 - Mikah Sargent
You are here and, as people have, you know, gotten used to, I think, by this point. This is the part of the show where we have our stories of the week, the stories that we find interesting going on in the tech news cycle, and you want to talk about some interesting stuff going on with the. What is it called? What does Reddit call itself?

0:21:29 - Amanda Silberling
The front page of the internet right, the front page of the internet, which could also be because Dig is coming back, so maybe Dig will be the front page of the internet again. But that's a different story. That's not what we're talking about this week. We are talking about how Reddit sued Anthropic for allegedly not paying to license its data for training and still training its AI on it anyway is especially interesting because google and open ai both have deals with reddit to use reddit's content to train their ai on, which, in some ways, is a good idea because there's a lot of information on reddit.

But then sometimes, uh, as we speculate, this may have been the cause. There are circumstances like when, uh, google's ai tells people to uh put glue on pizza to get the cheese to stick better, which that probably came from people trolling on Reddit. But in most circumstances, this is data that companies really want to use to train their AIs because they need lots and lots of things. But apparently Anthropic, according to Reddit, allegedly was scraping content from Reddit, despite Reddit's own guards against that content being scraped without permission. So now, as the tech bloggers commonly say, the girlies are fighting say, the girlies are fighting.

0:23:02 - Mikah Sargent
And here's what's interesting to me. If you have ever and I'm sure you have and I'm sure many people have if you've ever went and tapped on a Reddit link, you know the ridiculous process that is required to actually see what is on the other side of that Reddit link if you don't have the Reddit app. Or if you do have the Reddit app but for some reason your phone is not detecting that you do. It's already really difficult to see Reddit threads and Reddit sort of responses as it stands. So I'm kind of impressed with Anthropic allegedly being able to scrape this data at all, because it's so difficult to even view anything on Reddit these days because of the different protections that the company has in place.

I think that part of what we're seeing here in particular is a little bit of precedent setting. That took place already with OpenAI and Google being able to, or rather, I should say Reddit convincing OpenAI and Google to work on licensing deals and to make money that way. And once somebody realizes that what they have is valuable, then they're going to fiercely protect what they have to make sure that they can make money off of all the platforms. I do wonder if, up to this point there weren't those licensing deals in place. If Reddit would have as much of a case against Anthropic for again allegedly scraping its data because you wouldn't necessarily know that this was something that you could ask for until you have made that possible. Yeah, there's a lot going on.

0:24:47 - Amanda Silberling
Yeah, like I think a lot of these legal things like people get confused about it rightfully so, because a lot of it does not make a lot of sense because there just are not laws that address, like, what is copyright in the context of is using content as material for training and ai?

Like, is that a violation of copyright in the same way that it would be if, like you wrote a book and then I was like cool, I'm gonna print out Mikah's book and sell it because the, the people that wrote the copyright laws, were not prepared for AI. And then I mean, this even comes up with like podcasting where, like a lot of newer media has this issue where it sort of just ends up with some companies sue each other and then they figure it out in court and then whatever the courts decide kind of sets a precedent. But that creates a lot of issues with just how we know what you can and can't do. But in the world of the move fast and break things and get sued, they're just accepting that they'll try things and then maybe get sued things and then maybe get sued.

0:26:04 - Mikah Sargent
Yeah, that's, and that is the way of of big tech. Absolutely. There's kind of a little bit of the detail here. Reddit claims that Anthropic continued to scrape the data from its platform more than 100,000 times. To be clear, it's not that it scraped like 100,000 pages. No, they say they scraped the platform more than 100,000 times after it had already attempted to block its bots in 2024.

Now here's another aspect of this and I've talked about I think we've actually talked about this on the show before robots.txt. There's this file that exists on many a web site, essentially on the server for the website that has instructions in it and sort of requests in it that say hey, it's a sort of demure little text file. Please don't look at me, I just don't. I really don't want you looking at me. And the reason why robots.txt exists is because back in the early days of the internet, what would happen is somebody's random blog, somewhere that had very little bandwidth, very little sort of data viewing ability, would get indexed by a search engine and then would get hit boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Over and over and over and over again, and it would take down the site. So people came through with robots.txt and it was just a thing that said, hey, if this says please don't scrape this site, then don't. And the Internet kind of, at the time, kumbayaed and collectively agreed that they would be on board with this. But it's not official, it is not. It is just a gentle person's agreement, if you will, and that's the extent of it. And so I wonder, whenever Reddit is talking about blocking its bots in 2024, if it's talking about throwing the new thing into robots.txt that says, hey, if you're AI, don't scrape this. Because that, again, is not something that is an official agreement, it is just a we all sort of nod and say, yeah, that's how we're doing things. Situation. So is that enough to be legal standing?

And then there's the aspect that very little of what exists on Reddit is produced by Reddit. Almost everything that's on there is produced by people who don't work for Reddit but who are individuals. And, yes, you agree when you sign up for the site that the stuff that's there Reddit has, you know, a license over. But that does play a role, and the fact that it is public, that I can go there I can see what's on the site, I think, also, in my opinion, plays a little bit of a role when it comes to this, but this also isn't the first sort of litigation over training data. The New York Times, of course, sued OpenAI and Microsoft. A bunch of comedians sued Meta Musicians, authors and publishers have also filed claims against AI companies, but it is the first time that a big tech company if we consider Reddit to be big tech legally challenged. They're public.

0:29:33 - Amanda Silberling
You can buy Reddit stock. I guess they're big, I mean, who knows? Yeah, that's true.

0:29:36 - Mikah Sargent
I guess if you buy their stock, yeah, that's fair. But this is the first time that it has challenged the AI model provider over its training data practices, so we haven't seen that before. It's kind of been publishers and individual creators that have all kind of gathered together Big thing here looking for an injunction. But I don't know. I don't know what we're going to have, because Anthropic says hey, we disagree with Reddit's claims, we're going to defend ourselves in court and that's that on that.

0:30:12 - Amanda Silberling
Yeah. So I guess with this lawsuit and all the other lawsuits you mentioned, we just kind of have to wait and see. And it sucks when wait and see is pretty much all you can do. But we have to wait and see.

0:30:26 - Mikah Sargent
Yep, yep, it's another wait and see. While we wait and see, we're going to take a quick break before we come back with my story of the week.

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All righty, we are back from the break, as we say, and I want to tell you about my story of the week. Amazon is preparing to test humanoid robots that could one day deliver your packages, stepping out of the back of a Rivian van and walking up to your door. At a San Francisco facility, the company has built a humanoid park, which is a test course for robots to navigate obstacles, simulate deliveries and collect data. It's the next phase in Amazon's long-standing automation push, but this time the goal is to replace not just warehouse labor but the entire last mile delivery process.

This is this confused me at first, I'll be honest, Amanda, because I thought about how we have these human beings who are working very hard and very quickly to deliver packages to us quickly to deliver packages to us and I thought about every single humanoid robot demo that I've seen and the way that the robots move so stinking slowly as they try to not fall over, and then sometimes they get pushed and they sort of regather, but they're not holding packages in their hands while they're doing it. And the shadow had already gone back past my window, because when I looked outside, I looked to the right, where I thought the shadow would be, and no, the Amazon driver was already almost all the way back to their vehicle. So that's my first issue with this is how is this going to be time saving? But let's talk about what's going on here. So Amazon is reportedly developing its own AI software to control humanoid robots, but it's going to not develop its own robotic hardware. It's working with outside vendors.

There's actually a prototype testing area that we talked about, the humanoid park, and this area includes a Rivian electric van.

It's about the size of a coffee shop and what the company hopes to do is have humanoid robots that ride inside of delivery vans, hop out at each stop and bring packages to the door, and the way that this is supposed to work to actually be time-saving in theory is the human being, not the humanoid being, but the human being drives the Rivian truck very important Rivian truck up to a stop and the human gets out and delivers packages to one house, while the robot unfolds itself out of the back of the truck and lurches toward another house and delivers a package Again.

I can already see the human being going up delivering the package to the doorstep, coming back. By that time, the humanoid robot has just gotten out of the truck and has the package in hand, so the human just grabs the package out of its hands and takes it to the other house because it's so much faster. But apparently it's going to be trained like self-driving cars are, were, I should say, in the first place. They work on a closed course at first and then they get to work in the real world, and they're using LLMs to help the robots understand physical environments and reason about objects and instructions. So yeah, perhaps one day I could see this being a real thing. But I want to hear your thoughts on this, Amanda, and if you kind of feel the same way I do about the speed of robots and the sort of plight of the human delivery driver.

0:37:04 - Amanda Silberling
Oh man, I'm just imagining like there was a story a couple years ago where a guy in Florida shot a Walmart delivery drone out of the air because he thought it was like a threat. And I'm like they're going to shoot the robots they are the air because he thought it was like a threat and I'm like they're gonna shoot the robots like they are. They are gonna invest so much money in making these robots and then I'm I'm I'm like scared about safety for this, like I don't know, but I I guess I just don't really get the point of it. I'm also imagining someone out there with like a ring doorbell camera and they just see a robot like slowly walking up.

0:37:46 - Mikah Sargent
Oh yeah, that is. That does not sound fun. Um, again, we I talked a little bit about how they aren't using their own um, their own hardware. Apparently they're looking at uni tree robots. Those are super popular among developers because of their $16,000 price, so much less expensive than some of the other models.

0:38:09 - Amanda Silberling
And then someone shoots your $16,000 robot. Can you imagine?

0:38:13 - Mikah Sargent
And that's an instant felony, I'm pretty sure on multiple ways, because that was one of the big things about the guy who shot the Thing out of the sky is like he didn't realize that ended up being a felonious act, and so when the police officer arrived, he completely admitted to having done it, not realizing that that resulted in him going to jail right away.

Oh, my god do not pass, go, do not collect $200. And then also, agility robotics has a digit bot and those are already at use in some warehouses. They have flamingo-like backward bending knees and were previously tested to remove boxes. Um, so amazon's working with the latest version of the digit. I'm not surprised, given its little astro robot right, it didn't do very well.

But those are cute, though they are very cute in comparison to a creepy, creepy humanoid robot. What the company eventually aims to do, according to the information, is, once they have mastered these training courses, we need to get them into the real world, because they can fail in unpredictable locations, with sidewalks and stoops, and so they are working toward getting into real world, testing basically delivering to actual homes, navigating public streets to see how they work. Here is the big issue. Ultimately, aside from sort of the issues involved with like replacing human beings, blah, blah, blah, there's kind of this question of what makes more sense an industrial robot or a humanoid robot, meaning a robot designed specifically for package delivery. Think about those robots you sometimes see at restaurants, where they have openings on their back, essentially, and they look like a Roomba with a tower on top.

0:40:01 - Amanda Silberling
Those are also kind of cute though.

0:40:02 - Mikah Sargent
Yeah, see, and those are the good ones because those are more industrial. They're designed specifically for the purpose of delivering the food, but we want to do these cutesy-bootsy humanoid robots that remind us of ourselves, and we ourselves are not really designed for package delivery. We have been able to adapt to that. So the argument is let's not do a robot that looks like us because it's going to be walking slowly as it's trying to come and deliver the package. Let's do the classic style of Roomba with a tower or Roomba with arms that can deliver a package and do it well.

Yet Amazon does seem to still be working toward the humanoid side of things. Now. We don't know when it expects these robots to be operational and what the plan is ultimately for this. I think, as far as it seems, right now, the company is solely just testing if this is even possible as something that could save time where a human and a humanoid are working in concert to deliver packages. But I think what we can tell so far is that it's a ways off and we won't be seeing that right around the corner. But yeah, I don't know, between drones and robots that walk up to your house, which would you rather have delivering your package, do you think?

0:41:31 - Amanda Silberling
like the industrial machines versus the humanoid robots, where I feel like I would rather have a drone because that actually could have utility If, like, let's say, somebody needs medicine very abruptly and maybe going through the sky via a drone from a nearby facility would be easier than having someone drive up with a car. Like there are circumstances. Or like if you're in New York City where, like, getting anywhere via car to make a package is just difficult because traffic Like. I don't love the whole drone thing but you could see that it has some potential. But, as you were saying, it's like, do we really need like, a slow guy walking up with the package? I don't.

0:42:19 - Mikah Sargent
I want a fast guy walking up with the package like I don't. I want a fast guy walking up with the package.

0:42:22 - Amanda Silberling
I I guess I'm thinking like just generally about like the times in which tech tries to emulate real people, where it makes sense that, like chat, gbt does this, because the whole thing is that it wants you to be able to be like hey, um, what should I make for dinner tonight? I have like some spinach, but also like this like, but also this sausage, but is my sausage still good? And then ChatGPT can puzzle out what's going on there. But I feel like that is not necessary with the robots, because we don't gain anything from them looking like humans, except that people are going to freak out and maybe shoot them.

0:43:00 - Mikah Sargent
Amen, amen, and I think that's where we will wrap up today, because that's the perfect end cap there.

0:43:06 - Amanda Silberling
Be nice to your robots.

0:43:07 - Mikah Sargent
Be nice, don't shoot them, because then you're going to be out at least $16,000, perhaps more, when you have to pay for bail as well. Amanda Silberling, thank you so much for joining us today. If people would like to follow you online, where should they go to keep up with your work?

0:43:26 - Amanda Silberling
I'm mostly on Blue Sky. Right now I'm at Amandaomglol, which, whenever I say that URL, I feel the need to be like yes, that is a URL that I own for some reason. Collecting URLs is fun. And I have a podcast Wow, If True which is about internet culture, and it is on the internet wherever you get podcasts.

0:43:48 - Mikah Sargent
Beautiful. Thank you, Amanda so much, and we'll see you again soon. Yeah, thanks Bye, all righty. Beautiful. Thank you, Amanda so much, and we'll see you again soon. Yeah, thanks Bye, alrighty. Let's take a quick break so I can tell you about the very awesome Zscaler who's bringing you this episode of Tech News Weekly.

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All right, we are back with the show and, as you all know at least I hope you know WWDC Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference is right around the corner Monday as we record this show right, and so I thought it was a good opportunity to bring on someone to give us a little preview of what we think we can expect from WWDC. Joining us today is Christopher Lawley of the Untitledsite, or Christopher Lawley at YouTube. Welcome to the show, chris. How are you doing?

0:46:53 - Christopher Lawley
Pretty good. Thanks for having me on. I'm excited to be here and chatting about WWDC at YouTube. Welcome to the show, chris. How are you doing? Pretty good Thanks for having me on, I'm excited to be here and chatting about WWDC, yeah.

0:46:59 - Mikah Sargent
So, first and foremost, I have to ask are you planning on being there in person this year?

0:47:09 - Christopher Lawley
Yes, I will be. I will be there in person. I'm going to get there on Sunday and I'm staying through Tuesday. So if anyone in the audience is there and you see me walking around, say hi, I'll have the Ford hat on.

0:47:16 - Mikah Sargent
Awesome, awesome. So this is, of course, the time where Apple announces its announces and sort of previews its plans for its latest software. It's also the time where the beta versions of this software tend to ship, giving developers the chance to try out the software and make sure that their apps are working perfectly by the time the phones hit later in the year. But this is also the time where we're getting a peek at what's coming next from Apple, and I thought it'd be great to talk to you about that. Perhaps we could start with iOS and I know this is a little different this year, because what's happening to one is happening to all, so maybe you can touch a little bit on that. But what is rumored to be making its way to iOS? Maybe? In particular, what has you interested? And I've just thought about this, let's combine for now, ios and ipad os. What's existing in that space?

0:48:13 - Christopher Lawley
gotcha. Yeah, no, that's that's uh smart um I. I mean the big thing, like right off the bat, is it's been rumored for a couple months now that this year will be focused on a redesign, a big redesign, probably the biggest since ios 7, and that it's more focused on the idea of having a vision OS style like kind of like transparent, you know glass, like frosted glass style windows and buttons and things like that, and I'm very interested in what this will look like. You know I have ideas in my head. I've seen better designers than me mock up concepts on the Internet and stuff like that.

But you know we really designs and stuff like that don't ever really get leaked ahead of time, so we don't really know what it's going to look like until Monday, you know, 10am Pacific, when the keynote kicks off. So but like, if you look at Apple's invites and some of the teasers and stuff that they've been putting out, a lot of, it has that frosted glass design and I'm very curious as to what this is going to look like. You know there's some UI elements that have also been rumored that like a lot of things are going to be moved, like there's going to be like floating tab bars at the bottom of the iPhone and stuff like that. And yeah, I think the design wise is probably the biggest thing to look out for this year.

0:49:35 - Mikah Sargent
Absolutely yeah. This is, I think, going to be something that reshapes the way that we look at the platform, what it does, and how Apple kind of views everything, given what we have heard is supposed to be cohesion across the board. What we have heard is supposed to be cohesion across the board. With that, though, there is some question of how much separation is going to continue to exist between iOS, ipados and the Mac. What are the rumors there? Is the Mac going to become more iPad-like? Is the iPad going to become more iPad-like? Is the iPad going to become more Mac-like? Are we going to continue to see what Apple at one point said would always be a separation?

0:50:21 - Christopher Lawley
between these two platforms. I am the first person that doesn't want a separation between the two platforms. I want the Mac to get touchscreen. I want the iPad to become more Mac OS-like. I am the first person that doesn't want the separation. But no, it kind of sounds like through various different reports that we've heard that the iPad is going to be shifting more towards the Mac, especially if you're using something like a hardware keyboard and trackpad or mouse, that this essentially we should be getting stage manager 2.0, really technically 3.0, because 2.0 was in uh, uh, 16, 17, uh, anyways, we don't need to get hung up on that. But it sounds like through some different reports that, um, the cursor could be changing to a more traditional triangular cursor. Uh, it sounds like there might be menu bars coming.

Uh, more free-flowing windows, like when you you go to resize a window. It's going to be a little more free-flowing. Like the Mac. You should be able to move windows around.

One of the things that really bugs me about Stage Manager on the iPad is you can't take windows and stack them on top of each other.

There always is going to be a bit of another window peeking out behind it. Stage Manager on the iPad is a little bit or not a little bit, and it's kind of stage manager on the ipad is a little bit or not a little bit. It's very on rails and it sounds like this is going to go from being a train to being more of a car. Where you can, it's a little more free moving and you can kind of go, uh, where you want with it as far as window resizing and window placement and things like that, um, which sounds very interesting to me.

I'm very curious about that and how that'll pull off. There was a report a couple months ago and I think it was just like a one random, one-off report that we heard about and then there hasn't. Really I haven't heard anything about it since, but there was a rumor going around that iPhones with the USB-C port will be getting stage manager like, will get support for plugging into an external monitor and then you can use, basically like iPadOS, stage Manager-esque setup that way, so your iPhone could essentially be a desktop computer at that point.

0:52:26 - Mikah Sargent
Wow, that would be interesting. Now, one of the big hyped features across everything as of last WWDC was Apple Intelligence, and over the course of time, we have seen some interesting conversations surrounding Apple Intelligence what has shipped, what has failed to ship, how the company has handled the shipping of these products. So tell me, what are the rumors when it comes to Apple Intelligence this year, and will we finally get personal context, or is that still a while away?

0:53:07 - Christopher Lawley
It kind of sounds like this is going to be an Apple Intelligence light year. We know that there has been some shakeup in the Apple Intelligence leadership. It's now under Craig Federighi. It was under I cannot pronounce his name John J, jim, andrea, I think. I'm sorry, I can't do it. I just my mouth cannot make those words.

But so who Apple intelligence used to be under it's not there. It's under Craig Federici now. So it sounds like they might be taking a back step, but I wouldn't be completely surprised I would be shocked actually if there was nothing labeled Apple intelligence in this keynote. We know there's some stuff coming about battery management, and I think this all has to do with the ultra air light phone that might be coming out in september that there could be some ai battery management into, like how it handles you know, you know battery usage throughout the day and stuff like that.

Um, but the the apple intelligence-esque thing, the rumor that's going around that has me kind of like lifting an eyebrow, is actually about the shortcuts app. It sounds like it's going to be kind of getting some kind of prompt support so that apps can hook into shortcuts a little bit better and that a user can say like, hey, I am using to do list and fantastic, how make me a shortcut that both creates tasks for these projects and, you know, a calendar appointment, and that shortcuts should auto generate this shortcut. You should, you don't need to sit there and manually create these actions, which would be really interesting. I think this would solve a lot of problems for to get people into the door to shortcuts, because I think a lot of people see shortcuts and they see this block based editor and they're like, oh, I don't even know where to start, so I'm good. But if you could just sit there and type to a computer and tell it what you wanted and it generated that for you, that is really interesting to me.

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Absolutely. Now we're hearing that macOS will get a name still, even though they are reportedly changing the naming scheme to the sort of next year model, so Mac OS 26, watch OS 26 to go along with the year. That'll be coming up a little bit like vehicles and that would be Tahoe. That's kind of fun. I'm glad that they're keeping around that naming scheme. But I wanted to talk to you about your thoughts specifically on this change in the numbering, given that you are someone who regularly, just like me, talks about these platforms and needs to remember what version of iOS, iPadOS, et cetera that we're on. Are you excited about this rumored change to the year as opposed to doing? You know, this is version 18, then 19, et cetera, et cetera.

0:59:35 - Christopher Lawley
Oh yes, this is long long long overdue.

I have the hardest time remembering what version we're on. And then you throw in stuff like watch OS, which is not synced up with iOS, mac OS not synced up with iOS, and vision OS too, so you have like three different platforms that aren't synced up. And then the weird thing is tv os is synced up and it just skipped a whole other bunch of versions. So, like they it. It's all confusing. I have no idea. I barely can remember what number we're on anymore. Um, so, yes, the year thing is good. Uh, when this rumor dropped, I was kind of confused for a second because I actually it made me think it was 2026, um, and I was like, wait, no, it's 2025. That doesn't make sense. Why is it coming out? But then, when you really think about it, these os updates aren't, they're not coming out in june. They're, they're not being released in june.

There's yes, there's a beta you can install. Whether you should or shouldn't't, that's up to you. I'm not going to tell you whether you should or shouldn't, that's on you, but they will officially be released in September. Sometimes certain ones can get delayed iPadOS has been delayed, macos has been delayed in the past, stuff like that but usually they're released sometime between September and October. By the time auto updates and stuff kick in, most people will be getting them October, november, things like that. So it makes sense that it's actually the next year that they're being based on and I'm OK with that. But I'm so glad they're all going to be synced up and based on year and it's going to be so much nicer to remember like, ok, this is what we're on. Two years ago, was this? Oh yes, I'm very excited about that.

1:01:17 - Mikah Sargent
Nice. Now why don't we round things out here with kind of a quick little rundown of anything else you specifically are looking for, hoping to see, as WW wwdc makes its way to us very soon, uh, sort of the checkbox of yep I thought that was coming and I'm so glad that it is that we haven't mentioned yet yeah, so I I have a laundry list of things, especially for ipad os, that I'm hoping for.

1:01:45 - Christopher Lawley
I'm hoping to see some big updates to apple's uh pro apps on the ipad. I know logic just got one, but Final Cut did not get an update around the same time, so I'm hoping. I'm wondering if they're holding out a big update to kind of announce in the keynote for Final Cut Pro for the iPad. There are some things I would like to see for the iPad, like the ability to do customizable keyboard shortcuts, set up time machine backups I used to I recently just got off of it, but I used to do all my creative work on the iPad and the fact that there wasn't a proper backup system made me nervous um, files improvements and things like that. There's all sorts of things that we can uh see.

One thing that I would love that would make my life so much easier, but I don't think Apple's going to gonna do it.

They're required to do it in the eu because of the dma, but it would be give us the ability to run chrome or chromium browsers on the ipad. Uh, let us just let us do that right now, no matter what web browser you install, if you're in the us and actually really anywhere, because as far as I know, there isn't even chromium browsers in the eu. But if you install a browser from the App Store right now, it is using the WebKit engine. Doesn't matter if it's Chrome, firefox, vivaldi, safari, whatever. If you're running a web browser on iOS or iPadOS, it is using the WebKit backend, and I have a couple of services that just require Chromium. Whether it's Chrome or Edge or whatever, it just requires that Chrome engine. So that's a big one. I'm really hoping that Apple kind of realizes like hey look, we tried to make WebKit like the big thing, but Chrome won the internet and there's just certain things that their platforms cannot do on the web because you don't have access to Chrome.

1:03:34 - Mikah Sargent
Yeah, I'm 100% there with you. I would love to see that happen and, for you know, there are now so many different services that exist online that I have to have Chrome for, and that means having to go back, so it would be great to see that for sure. I'm really looking forward to seeing your coverage of what you learn and see at WWDC. If people would like to keep up to date with the work that you're doing, where are the places they should go to do that?

1:04:27 - Christopher Lawley
Yeah, you can find me on YouTube. That's where I publish all my stuff. It's I'm just Christopher Lawley, l-a-w-l-e-y, or you can go to the Untitledsite. It has links to everything that I do podcasts, youtube channel. All the stuff will be there and I will be in person at WWDC. So I'm going to be making a bunch of videos next week about all the stuff that's happening and OS updates, and if there's hardware, I'll cover that too. Like you, I'll cover that too. I like you, I'm not entirely convinced that there's going to be hardware next week. I think it might just be software only. But if there is hardware, I will cover that as well.

1:05:02 - Mikah Sargent
Awesome. Christopher Lawley, thank you so much for taking the time to join us today and give us a preview of what's going down. I wish you safe travels there and back and we going down. I wish you safe travels there and back and we'll see you again soon. Thank you so much for having me Talk to you later. Bye-bye, all righty folks. That brings us to the end of this episode of Tech News Weekly.

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