The Tech Guy Episode 1927 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:02):
Podcasts. You love from people you trust. This is TWI. Hi, this is Leo Laporte with Mikah Sargent. And this is our tech guy podcast. This show originally aired on Saturday, September 17th, 2022. This is episode 1927. Enjoy this episode of the tech I podcast is brought to you by ClickUp the productivity platform. That'll save you one day a week on work guaranteed. Use the code tech guy to get 15% off. Click ups, massive unlimited plan for a year. Meaning you could start reclaiming your time for under $5 a month. Sign up But hurry, this offer ends soon. Well, Hey, Hey. Hey, how are you today? Leo Laporte here. Mic a Sargent two it's tech guy, time 88, 88. Ask Leo is the tech guy number as we talk about what Micah, what do we talking about? Oh

Mikah Sargent (00:01:01):
My goodness. Only

Leo Laporte (00:01:02):
One next. No, no. Oh, the iPhone iPhone. <Laugh> iPhone 14, pro 14 per max, max, which

Mikah Sargent (00:01:09):
We gold and deep purple

Leo Laporte (00:01:10):
Mine's in gold and yours. Deep. Purple. We will talk about computers, internet, home theater, digital photography. So iPhones and smart watch that, but I think people wanna know mm-hmm <affirmative> now you were smart or not smart quicker on the draw. Friday a week ago, you got yours, like personally carried to you by a uniformed of official of American government.

Mikah Sargent (00:01:32):
Yeah, they, they, they even had a little glass of champagne for me. <Laugh> when they walked up, it was quite nice. No,

Leo Laporte (00:01:38):
I feel bad. It was a FedEx or ups. It

Mikah Sargent (00:01:41):

Leo Laporte (00:01:41):
Ups. Okay. So it wasn't the federal government, it was a guy in brown shorts, but just as good. I feel bad for the ups guys on iPhone day, which was

Mikah Sargent (00:01:49):
Me too. They're just, I mean, stopping every way along. And, and I had four different packages, all that came at the same time. So the guy was like, what you get? He was far back and he's like here. 

Leo Laporte (00:02:01):
I was like, don't breathe on me, but here.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:04):
So I got a case that didn't come until iPhone day. I got the iPhone. Yeah. And then I had also purchased, as I had mentioned, I would, yeah, the replacement tip tips for the AirPod pro second gen to see if they would fit on the first gen.

Leo Laporte (00:02:19):
And did they, they fit, oh, they fit. So your tiny little ears, you shell, like ears now have a tip that fits in them. Yeah. I, does that make a difference for

Mikah Sargent (00:02:29):
You? Well, so I don't use the extra stuff. Oh, you

Leo Laporte (00:02:30):

Mikah Sargent (00:02:31):
No, no, no. But somebody had

Leo Laporte (00:02:32):
Asked that's what was added was the extra small.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:35):
Exactly. Yeah. Extra smalls new. But they, they were curious if they could just use that with their first gen and it appears, so I had no problems. They stayed where they were supposed to, but then they, the fourth thing was that goofy little lanyard that in case made for the new AirPods pro. Oh. so I, does

Leo Laporte (00:02:50):
It come with a, oh, you haven't got your AirPods pro yet? No, those won't come week. This week version duh version.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:55):

Leo Laporte (00:02:55):
Exactly. Do those, they don't come with a lanyard. You have

Mikah Sargent (00:02:58):
To, you have, have to buy a

Leo Laporte (00:02:59):
Then you'd purchase separately. Yeah. Oh my God.

Mikah Sargent (00:03:01):
But you can get one for like 15 cents, you

Leo Laporte (00:03:03):
Know? Yeah. As opposed to apple, which probably charges. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:03:06):
The in case one, I think was 4 95 or something.

Leo Laporte (00:03:08):
What does apple sell? Lanyards? They just put a lanyard

Mikah Sargent (00:03:10):
Hole. Not, not own that's

Leo Laporte (00:03:12):
Circle. They missed a bet there.

Mikah Sargent (00:03:13):
Remember they, they used to for the remote. Yeah. Remote used to have lanyard.

Leo Laporte (00:03:18):
Yeah. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:03:19):
It was expensive though. It was ridiculous.

Leo Laporte (00:03:22):
I'm I have a LA a third party remote lanyard. I might take off my remote and put on the iPhone or the AirPods. So that will the new watch and the tank watch, whatever they call it. The, get in the tank, a hundred meter down. Watch. That's the idea. Ideas, deer pod two will come next week.

Mikah Sargent (00:03:40):
Yeah. Those don't ship until next week is SA same as the non-pro iPhone 14 max. So the larger of the two iPhone 14. Oh.

Leo Laporte (00:03:50):
And the plus is like October the iPhone. Oh yeah. That's

Mikah Sargent (00:03:52):
That's right. It it's not even, not even next week. Not even next

Leo Laporte (00:03:55):
Week. Yeah. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so we actually have two things to report because we also got iOS 16 on our little, the bump is so big on this. It won't, <laugh> won't actually fit on my charging.

Mikah Sargent (00:04:06):
Did you get the, the update the 0.1 update whenever you

Leo Laporte (00:04:10):
Started yours? So that's one thing, you know, usually when you get a new tech device, the first thing you're gonna do is update mm-hmm <affirmative>

Mikah Sargent (00:04:15):
Right. How'd you do your transfer?

Leo Laporte (00:04:19):
This was really easy. So some people were a little bit worried about the EIM, right? There's no more SIM trays in the us. And I had, I was transferring from an old iPhone 12 from T-Mobile and normally what I'd do is poke it,

Mikah Sargent (00:04:35):
It poke it in inside you go stick

Leo Laporte (00:04:36):
It. <Laugh> B it, and then it'd be good. But so what happened? And this, it was super easy. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> it said, would you like to, Hey, would you like to transfer from your old phone that it's, that's not new? And I said, yes. And then it said, oh, you have an account, a T-Mobile account on your old phone, would you like to transfer it? And I said, yes, it activated the phone, the new phone almost immediately deactivated the SIM and said, throw that SIM away. That's no good. No more. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And and then it could, then I did an iCloud download and it was very, it was painless. Oh, nice. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:05:10):

Leo Laporte (00:05:11):
Icloud download. So I, at no point did I you did, you do have to kind of put the two phones together and, and, and authorize it and all that stuff, but it was copying settings and stuff like that. Like my wallpaper, all my wallpapers, I had a, I had made cuz you know, the new iPhone 16 and it took me, I had to be taught this allows you to do new lock screens, but there, and there's a lot of them mm-hmm <affirmative> so I had to be taught that, but all the lock screens I had created, which, and there were quite a few I had came over, which was nice. This is kind of a nice one, cuz it changes every time I unlock it, I get a new picture. Nice of my wife, which is great. This one's kind of fun because it's the earth. It shows our little green dot, oh look, there you are where we are in the, on the big group, blue marble. And so that's nice that came over. Almost everything came over, including which I was really pleased, the T-Mobile activation. So the at, you know, I went, I got mine at the store. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> because unlike you, I slept in on Friday actually. That's not what happened, but the, the system failed.

Mikah Sargent (00:06:18):
Yeah. It's failed a lot, which

Leo Laporte (00:06:19):
Is weird because if I bought two phones, one for my wife immediately, cuz one always does that. Right ladies first, and that one's not coming until the 24 8 I think. Oh wow.

Mikah Sargent (00:06:28):
What color?

Leo Laporte (00:06:30):
Black five 12. Got it. This was all that I, I, so I searched everywhere and I, if I went down to a, the more distant apple stores, not the closest one, the more distant apple store in Marin county, I could get a gold in 2 56. So I did nice big line. Lots of people. Really. It was kinda like the good old days, except that it was a little more orderly. You make an appointment of 15 minute window, you have a QR code, you show it to the nice person at the, the apple store. And they say, okay, getting that line mm-hmm <affirmative> so there you go. Now I'm in another line. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (00:07:01):
So there's two they're

Leo Laporte (00:07:02):
Moving and they go that line and then that line, they slowly one by one take you total time. Eight minutes. Nice. Not bad.

Mikah Sargent (00:07:09):
That's not bad that time. Did, did they offer to help you set it up?

Leo Laporte (00:07:12):
They did. They said, now that EIMS new, would you like us to do it? And I said, no, I think I could figure it out. And as it turned out, there was nothing to

Mikah Sargent (00:07:19):
It. Yeah. And actually I was surprised at how simple it was. I thought it

Leo Laporte (00:07:24):
Was your

Mikah Sargent (00:07:24):
Carrier, my carrier's at and T. Okay. And I thought that there would be a lot of people on launch day doing that. And so I did it the day before the turning my physical SIM into an EIM. And so I went through the process.

Leo Laporte (00:07:37):
Oh, cause your old phone iPhone 13 had EIM capability Uhhuh. So you were able to do it in the phone,

Mikah Sargent (00:07:43):
In the phone. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:07:44):
You didn't need to, as it turns.

Mikah Sargent (00:07:45):
Yeah, it was EAs. Apparently nobody had issues with that. Well, I, I take that back some people, but it was fewer than I was expecting.

Leo Laporte (00:07:52):
I asked Suzanne my, my nice apple lady is this something I have to do online? She said you could do it online or you can call them. I don't think she'd experienced it yet. That's not, you could do it online or call it. And I just turned out, I didn't need to do anything. The new phone said, oh, I see the phone. So the, em, at least in the us, if you're coming from a major carrier, that's what was supports ES I, if

Mikah Sargent (00:08:12):
You're an mvn, if you're on an MV O I've that's where I've heard some horror stories from time to time where they had to call in to support and then have it all reregistered and blah, blah, blah, blah. But if you're on one of the major carriers, the process seemed to be very simple. It's

Leo Laporte (00:08:25):
Gonna be interesting cuz a lot of people are used to this idea of popping out the SIM and SIM tray. There isn't a so in a SIM tray and if you do find little dot on your phone, don't poke it. Cuz that's the microphone <laugh> actually I don't see one there's no there must be a microphone somewhere, somewhere,

Mikah Sargent (00:08:42):

Leo Laporte (00:08:43):

Mikah Sargent (00:08:43):
Somewhere. I probably it's just in one of the speaker grills at the bottom.

Leo Laporte (00:08:47):
It's a I'm I'm kind of happy. I have to say, I'll be honest with you. But can even coming from the 12, which is a couple years, couple of versions ago. Not noticing huge differences.

Mikah Sargent (00:08:59):
Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't feel all. I I'm curious your thoughts on the always on display because I

Leo Laporte (00:09:05):
Don't love that, but I, you do.

Mikah Sargent (00:09:07):

Leo Laporte (00:09:07):
Okay. So if I, and that you need an new iPhone to do, even if you have iOS 16, an older iPhone, because you know, leaving the display on all the time. So I'll I'll I'll go to my let's go to my lock. So I just took a picture <laugh> okay. Now I'm on my lock screen. And at some point this, you know, it takes about 15 seconds. It's gonna go to a slightly darker version and it actually works quite well. You can always see the time. And these are the, the widgets on your lock screen are somewhat configurable. Not as much as Android, by the way, pixel has had this for at least a couple of years. This always on screen. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative> something you can do in the O L E D screen because black pixels take no juice, they just sit there. And these screens now can go down to a very low refresh rate as low as one refresh per second, which means very little battery is used. All it does is update the clock. In fact, you'll notice when it goes dark that some of the features of the, of this live wallpaper even go away and I think it looks, it works pretty well. I, I kind of like the,

Mikah Sargent (00:10:14):
I keep looking over and thinking that I've left auto lock off, you

Leo Laporte (00:10:18):
Get used

Mikah Sargent (00:10:18):
To it. Yeah. That's, I'm hoping, I'm hoping it

Leo Laporte (00:10:20):
Will. I did notice one thing I do notice face ID is much faster. It uses the magic pill. No, I mean the dynamic island <laugh> to do that and it's much faster and much more. It seems to be much more accurate mm-hmm <affirmative> so at least I did, there's a speed bump a little bit from the 12 to the 14, but I, I would reiterate what we said last week, what we suspected last week, which is if you have an iPhone that isn't ancient,

Mikah Sargent (00:10:43):
You probably don't know that

Leo Laporte (00:10:44):
You don't need. Right. Yeah. What, what are you, what are your thoughts on it? 

Mikah Sargent (00:10:48):
I, I, I feel exactly the same way I had no overwhelming, you know, excitement or anything like that. I loved getting to, you know, set up all of the new features and check out what was new. I think one aspect that I found really awesome. There was a, a filmmaker on Twitter. Who's a YouTuber and he had posted a photo of the 13 in the 14 side by side doing, I said photo, but VI I met in video using that action mode and action mode is actually quite incredible. Action mode is the same.

Leo Laporte (00:11:20):
Let me try that. So I'm gonna do a video and jump up and down. So does it do it automatically or do I have to push

Mikah Sargent (00:11:26):
A button? There is an action mode option. Oh I don't, I have not tried action mode myself yet.

Leo Laporte (00:11:31):
Oh yeah. I see. It's got a little it's got a little action mode icon. Oh, I'm in it now who he's says more light required. Oh, there we go. More light required. I think you're too dark for me to do action mode.

Mikah Sargent (00:11:43):
This he was running along. 

Leo Laporte (00:11:45):
So it's for outdoors. That's for one, for sure.

Mikah Sargent (00:11:47):
Definitely taking video and showed the side by side of an iPhone 13 with stabilization turned off entirely and then an iPhone 14 with action mode turned on and the difference was incredible. It, it really does a good job of stabilizing, but yeah, I, it is you can't

Leo Laporte (00:12:06):
Because that's the way it stabilizes is it uses some of the pixels absolutely. To stabilize more light required. How much more light,

Mikah Sargent (00:12:13):
How much do you need? How

Leo Laporte (00:12:15):
Much do you need? The other thing I like studio the selfie cam now focuses on you. Yes. Auto is focus. That's cool. I guess. I mean, what did it do before?

Mikah Sargent (00:12:23):
I, I know, I don't understand how, like, what was the way, was it doing auto focus?

Leo Laporte (00:12:28):
I guess if you're doing portrait, you need the auto. Yeah. I don't know. It was, I tell you what it was. It was such a narrow aperture. Oh. That everything was, everything was in focus. I would guess. That's

Mikah Sargent (00:12:40):
Probably what it was. Yes. I bet you're right

Leo Laporte (00:12:42):
Now you can do portrait mode and and, and make silly faces, which is what I just did.

Mikah Sargent (00:12:48):
I still don't really ever find myself using portrait mode because nine times out of 10, it fails me.

Leo Laporte (00:12:53):
It does, it cuts your hair off. It feels weird. Yeah. Or you have no ear. Yeah. Yeah. Your left ear looks great, but your right ear where

Mikah Sargent (00:13:00):
<Laugh>, I just like to leave the camera alone, not having all the other stuff kind of play with it.

Leo Laporte (00:13:06):
So, I mean, it's hard not to fall into the unfortunate trap of, of, oh, the new iPhone, the new iPhone. But in all honesty, let's try to, let's try to be objective about this. Absolutely. it's nice to get a new thing, but it's also hideously expensive over a thousand bucks. It's also wasteful unless you've got a good place to put the old one, right. Hand me down or trade in. I think it would be PR be prudent not to upgrade mm-hmm <affirmative> until you, you really need to, whether it's because apple stops supporting it with the iOS. That's I think the, you have to get a seven or later now to do that, I think. And then I don't know. What does iOS 16 require? I see. And then you know, maybe it's broken or you just really feel like it's a little slow. I have to say. I mean, it's very nice to get to 14. Well, one other thing, I have an old iPhone 12 case. It fit perfectly <laugh> you may not need a new case. The only thing is the camera bump. I mean, the camera hole of the 12 is the camera bump is bigger. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, it's a bigger island T so I could fit it in just fine, which is good, cuz that's my wallet. And I want to keep my stuff handy. And

Mikah Sargent (00:14:20):
The flash is different too.

Leo Laporte (00:14:22):
Yeah, but the flash is fully exposed by the camera hole on the, this is an iPhone 12 case with an iPhone 14. The only thing missing is this, whatever that is down there is that's

Mikah Sargent (00:14:35):
Where the LIDAR

Leo Laporte (00:14:36):
Is the lidars a little occluded and you can see cut off the LIDAR. The wide is a little bit cut off, maybe this. So yeah, it's a bigger camera bump, but you know, the case itself is the same size, which is very in, I mean the phone itself is the same, same dimension. Do you

Mikah Sargent (00:14:49):
Have problems pressing the side button because the side button is moved in the new phone.

Leo Laporte (00:14:54):
Huh? By the way, that's the always on mode. You can see it's a very slight difference. You can see no one else can see it. It's the radio. Yeah, no, it seems to all work. But anyway, that would probably depend on which case you have 88. So there you go. We will speak no more of this. No, the ultra til the watch next week 88, ask Leo honest. We're not apple fanboys, honest, Leo and Micah. Your tech guys. More calls next.

Mikah Sargent (00:15:25):

Leo Laporte (00:15:42):
Hello? Kim Schaffer. Food angel.

Kim Schaffer (00:15:44):
Hi. How are you

Leo Laporte (00:15:46):
Doing? Doing, see how's your new iPhone? I don't

Kim Schaffer (00:15:48):
Have one. No, <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:15:48):
I know you're a normal person.

Kim Schaffer (00:15:51):
No, I'll get one because I have a very old phone and it's time and it's oh, it's time. It's giving me a your battery needs servicing. Oh, it's a 10 S max, but I'm not like trying to stand in line or order it. So I'll get it in November or December. That's fine. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:16:07):
Yeah. The we checked and the iPhone 16 you need an iPhone eight or later. So eight really is the cutoff. If you have a seven or older, you probably is worth getting a new one. The toes. I like those tens. I really like the tens. I think

Kim Schaffer (00:16:21):
I like it, but yeah, this is, I could definitely

Leo Laporte (00:16:23):
Use, you'll have to touch me, be touch mine because never mind stop still in the eighties.

Kim Schaffer (00:16:30):

Leo Laporte (00:16:30):

Kim Schaffer (00:16:31):
I will check out

Leo Laporte (00:16:32):
Your phone. You have to, because you might say, oh wow, that's too big and heavy.

Mikah Sargent (00:16:35):
Yeah. Which, what size do you rock? The smaller

Kim Schaffer (00:16:37):
I rock the big one. Oh, but I, and it's in almost pristine condition physically. Nice. But 

Mikah Sargent (00:16:43):
Oh, those

Kim Schaffer (00:16:44):
Rounded edges. I love the rounded edges. I don't like the squared off edges. Yeah. So

Leo Laporte (00:16:49):
It's they call that for some reason curve screens. Cuz it's not, it's not really curve, but it's kind of it bubbles up over the screen. <Laugh> a little over the edge a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. You'll have to look at mic as her mine and see,

Kim Schaffer (00:17:01):
I want the T purple one. That purple. I am a purple. I'm a purple girl. And I have a rose gold one here. So

Leo Laporte (00:17:07):
That's very pretty. I have to say. So I only have a minute left. Should I actually take a call or should we, maybe

Kim Schaffer (00:17:14):
You should just wait, just chat, just chat a little

Leo Laporte (00:17:17):
Chat, have some more chit chat. My Scott Wilkinson's coming up. But I feel bad because we've got pat and Andrew and David from IPS LAN. Yeah. Home of Sam, Abel, Sam, all waiting to get on, but we'll get to you in a moment. I apologize. Don't

Kim Schaffer (00:17:32):
Go away. Go away. Don't hang up. Don't get frustrated. Remain.

Leo Laporte (00:17:35):
Yeah. Apple killed the mini mm-hmm <affirmative> who wants that? Well, Jason Snell, our friend from a Mac break weekly. Our, our Mac B is a mini fan. Our

Mikah Sargent (00:17:45):
Continuity team member. Sebastian also

Leo Laporte (00:17:47):
Sebastian's a mini guy. Yeah. Yeah. So I get, maybe they have small hands or maybe they just, you know, don't like, if I, if you wanted a small phone, may I make a recommendation? The Samsung flip mm-hmm <affirmative> is a, is even smaller. Cuz it folds in half. It would fit in your like jacket pocket or you know, your watch pocket. But

Mikah Sargent (00:18:06):
Then you have to be on Android.

Kim Schaffer (00:18:08):

Leo Laporte (00:18:10):
Honestly, it's not that bad

Mikah Sargent (00:18:11):
For fear of people who don't wanna be on. I mean,

Leo Laporte (00:18:13):
No, their apple doesn't make a small phone.

Mikah Sargent (00:18:15):
I will say my pinky has slightly become misshapen from holding these big things. <Laugh> I'm not, I'm not even lying to you. My pinky has a weird

Kim Schaffer (00:18:23):
Minority is I was born

Leo Laporte (00:18:24):
That way. Misshapen pinky, holy cow. That's awful. Lee hill Laport. Micah Sargent your calls later. <Laugh>

Kim Schaffer (00:18:33):
My I've got the pinky. That's always out when I'm drinking. <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (00:18:38):

Leo Laporte (00:18:39):
Well you're a lady. What is hip I'll? Tell me, I'm talking about Mr. Hip himself. Scott Wilkinson the horn man. If you ever need a tuba in your horn section. And honestly I think, I think many, many horn sections should have a tuba.

Scott Wilkinson (00:18:59):
They should absolutely. Without question.

Leo Laporte (00:19:01):
Yeah. Have a bass guitar. Why wouldn't you have a bass horn? Well,

Scott Wilkinson (00:19:04):
Look at the roots on is a jam. They

Leo Laporte (00:19:06):
Have tuba don't they? They

Scott Wilkinson (00:19:07):
Have a tuba. Yeah, absolutely.

Leo Laporte (00:19:10):

Scott Wilkinson (00:19:10):
That's it's carbon fiber za phone. It's really cool. Cool.

Leo Laporte (00:19:13):

Mikah Sargent (00:19:14):
Now I gotta look that

Leo Laporte (00:19:14):
Up. Black carbon. Wow. Okay. I love the roots Questlove. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:19:19):
Oh yeah. Questlove mm-hmm

Leo Laporte (00:19:21):
And he, yeah, he plays some strange instruments himself. He does some weird things, but it's a fun group anyway. That's not the point of this conversation. You are. Our home theater guru is podcast forum. He's the, the podcast hosted AVS forum and joins us every week. You've you paid a visit to a legendary name in HiFi, the original HiFi company.

Scott Wilkinson (00:19:47):
One of them certainly Harmon. You remember Harmon Cardon. I'm sure. Oh yeah. They were, they were really big in the high end high end audio market Harmon. Cardon is still made. It's still a brand, but it's not available in the us anymore. It's mostly in Europe and Asia

Leo Laporte (00:20:07):
Because they got bought by Samsung. Right?

Scott Wilkinson (00:20:09):
Well, Harmon got bought by Samsung. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And but, but some of us, a few of us journalists got invited to a day long tour at the Harmon campus in Northridge, California, down in Southern Southern California. It was really, really fun. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:20:26):

Scott Wilkinson (00:20:27):
We got all kinds of backstage tour things going on. And we started out, well, we, we got some, you know, some presentations of, of various things. We learned about how they start with science. And I do believe that one, one of my first podcast host guests was Dr. Sean olive, who's their chief sound scientist. And he's really, really good. And they always start with how does it measure? And then they take that and go and listen to it. And Sean olive, for example, did something really interesting, which was to try and correlate objective measurements with subjective experience and you'd think, well, sure you can measure something. And it, it might measure, measure what you think is good, but then you put it in a room which is a different environment than an AIC chamber. And maybe people won't like it, but it turns out there's like an 86% correlation from objective measurements to subjective impressions, subjective evaluations. Well,

Leo Laporte (00:21:36):
It's interesting. I'm reading the Harmon story on Wikipedia and way back in 1959, they promoted having amplifiers that would go beyond the, the technical range of human hearing there mm-hmm <affirmative> there's 60 wat Harmon card citation. Two had a frequency response of 18 to 60,000 Herz. Normally mm-hmm <affirmative> threshold of human hearing is, is thought, is said to be 20,020. Yeah. But they said it's because of harmonics and overtones. Yep. That might sound better. Even though if it doesn't measure, you know, it, it doesn't need to measure beyond 20 K. So that's interesting.

Scott Wilkinson (00:22:16):
Yeah. I found it very interesting. Yeah. We got to, we had to tour three of their seven Ana COIC chambers. Have you ever been in an AIC chamber?

Leo Laporte (00:22:25):
I have been in one at Doby and it's weird. It's like the it's like the breath has sucked down of you.

Scott Wilkinson (00:22:30):
<Laugh> yeah. There's no echo in this room. Yeah. That's what Anaco means.

Leo Laporte (00:22:34):
Yeah. It's just dead. It's dead.

Scott Wilkinson (00:22:36):
It's totally dead. You can hear, if you have tinnitus in your ears, you hear that really loud.

Leo Laporte (00:22:41):
Oh, that's not good. I don't need

Scott Wilkinson (00:22:42):
That. Which isn't good. No, but it's a place to measure the performance or how a speaker is doing without regard to the room. And again, this correlation between measuring in an AIC chamber and listening in a room. I found very interesting. I would've thought there wouldn't, there would be much less correlation than, than there was, but huh? That, that was pretty interesting. They spent a lot of time using for tweeters, the high frequencies in their speakers. They, they, a lot of their speakers use what are called compression drivers. Normally a tweeter is just a small little dome or cone, but that believe it or not, it's only two to 5% efficient. Only two to 5% of the electrical energy that's coming into that tweeter gets converted into audio with a compression driver. It's 10 times more efficient. It's 20 to 50% efficient, which I found very, very interesting. They do a lot of CAD modeling of their, of their speaker components and then they get to 3d print them. And if it doesn't quite work, they can just go, oh's just tweak this and re reprint it. Everybody

Leo Laporte (00:23:48):

Scott Wilkinson (00:23:48):
That. Instead of

Leo Laporte (00:23:49):
Weeks, car manufacturers too, you know, you, you sign it in the computer, you use a 3d printer to, you know, manufacture it, see how it works. Yeah, yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:23:57):
See how it works. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Another, we went from the quietest room in the place to the loudest room in the place, the power test room where they put in speakers and they drive them till they fail. Oh

Leo Laporte (00:24:09):
My gosh. I don't wanna be in that room at all.

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:11):
Well, we, we, they gave us these industrial hearing protection things looked like headphones,

Leo Laporte (00:24:17):
But I bet you could feel it in your chest.

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:19):
Oh man. Oh my goodness. And it was so I, I measured 105 DB in there. Another of the journalists measured 112. Wow. And they just do this for like a hundred hours until the thing fails. The thing SELT, SELT like burnt voice coils.

Leo Laporte (00:24:37):
And why do they do this?

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:40):
Yeah. They wanna see where the limit is. Huh. Where is the limit of where this, how, how much power can this speaker handle? And they want to be engineer it to handle more than it's gonna get in a, in a huh. A consumer environment. Huh? So they, they, they exercise it to the point of failure just to see where that point is. Cause they really wanna know. Cool. So it was really cool. That was very cool. They have, they introduced us to the har Harmon university, which is an online university, a learning center basically. And they've got a bunch of lessons about all sorts of various things. They've now got over 5,000 students globally taking these courses. And so that I'm gonna start, they, they gave us complimentary access to this. I'm gonna be looking at some of that stuff. We looked at introduction to compression drivers while we were there, which is actually very interesting compression drivers are, are pretty darn cool. And they're used in a lot of their products. So we also got to look at a bunch of of new products. This was what, what they called a pre CIA tour. Right. Cause CIA's coming up in couple

Leo Laporte (00:25:53):
Of weeks. Yeah. Okay. Quick. See if we, we test, test you, what does CDIA stand for?

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:59):
<Laugh> consumer electronics design and installation association.

Leo Laporte (00:26:04):
Wow. I'm impressed. Send, I thought I'd stump him on that one. Wow.

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:10):
I've been going to that show for 25 years. That's nice.

Leo Laporte (00:26:14):
That's nice.

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:14):

Leo Laporte (00:26:15):
I, Dr. Harmon's kind of a amazing character if you follow his story. So he started Harmon carton with his Powell Bernard card carton in 1953, Bernard dropped out a few years later, but the Harmon company really established high fidelity, you know, by making the first high fidelity receivers, you know, the tuners plus amplifiers in one

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:42):
Plus amplifier. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:26:44):

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:44):
That, as you said, everything was separate. Yeah. You had a separate box. It was a tuner and a separate box. It was an amplifier and a separate box. It was a pre amplifier.

Leo Laporte (00:26:52):
I didn't realize this in 69 they bought JBL, which is at the time. I mean, those were the speakers rock and roll speakers. Every radio station I worked in had JBL C speakers. They

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:02):
Were wonderful. Yeah. All recording studios and all theaters, commercial cinemas as well.

Leo Laporte (00:27:07):
They made the first stereophonic cassette recording deck with Doby B. Oh. And then in 76 he was appointed deputy secretary of commerce under Jimmy Carter had to sell Harmon card. He sold it to Beatrice foods.

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:23):
Oh, what?

Leo Laporte (00:27:23):
Yes. That I didn't know. But then so for a hundred million and then four years later, he bought it back from Beatrice for 55 million

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:33):

Leo Laporte (00:27:34):
And you know, I mean, he, you know, he eventually sold in, in 2017 to Samsung, but he purchased Newsweek for dollar, merged it with the daily beast. He was the chairman of Newsweek until his death. Very, very

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:49):
Interesting guy, man.

Leo Laporte (00:27:50):
Fascinating. Leo Laporte mic Sargent Scott Wilkinson. Thanks. What a story sky was amazing. Dr. Dr. Harmon.

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:04):
Yep. And his wife Jane Harmon ran for some big public office was governor.

Leo Laporte (00:28:11):
Oh, interesting California. Oh, interesting.

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:13):
Senator. Something like that. I don't remember exactly. I, I, you could look it up. It'd be easy to,

Leo Laporte (00:28:17):
It's a familiar name actually, when you say that.

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:19):
Yeah. I think it's Jane Harmon.

Leo Laporte (00:28:22):
Wow. Very interesting. One

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:25):
Thing I didn't get to didn't get to mention is the end of the tour. We listened to their flagship system. They have a whole, they built a theater in, in the facility and they put their very best JBL synthesis, Sy audio system in there, which is about $250,000 worth of equipment. <Laugh> my God. The, the system is a 13 channel around by, by four subwoofers by 13 overhead speakers.

Leo Laporte (00:28:59):

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:01):
Is it, it was

Leo Laporte (00:29:01):
All JBLs. Huh?

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:02):
All J all JBL synthesis. Yeah. That's their super ultra high end, mostly in wall. And in ceiling speakers. They're what are called architectural speakers. So they're, they're designed to be built into the wall. Wow. And oh man, that was, that was pretty awesome.

Leo Laporte (00:29:24):
Very cool. That's fun. I like that kind of stuff.

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:27):
Yeah. Yeah. It was really fun.

Leo Laporte (00:29:31):
You have two minutes and 41 seconds. If you'd like to fill it, can you stick around for the top of the,

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:35):
I would be happy

Leo Laporte (00:29:36):
To do that. Lovely. Thank

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:37):
You very much.

Leo Laporte (00:29:38):

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:39):
Fun. My pleasure indeed. Great. It's I, I I also didn't get to mention the SS w one sub woofer that they showed us is pretty new sub dual 15 inch drivers takes, they recommend 5,000 Watts of amplification. Wow.

Leo Laporte (00:29:58):

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:59):
Weighs 350 pounds,

Mikah Sargent (00:30:02):
5,000 Watts. Does that mean you have to have a special thing to power it

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:06):
In your well, you need to, you need a 5,000 water amplifier. Yeah. Right. <Laugh> it's a passive Suber too. So it doesn't come with its own amplifier built in like most sub Wolfers do this one. You have to pair it with a 5,000 wat sub amplifier which doesn't have to cover the full frequency range. Of course. It only has to cover below 20 Hertz up to up 80 Hertz or a hundred Hertz or something like that. Mike,

Leo Laporte (00:30:33):
He is jealous. You went to dinner afterwards.

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:36):
Oh man. <Laugh> what a great dinner, Mike. You really missed it, man. It was I'm sorry. You had to miss it. Cuz it was really good. It's a place called verse on in north Hollywood Stu to Lu lake really? And dig this. This was so interesting. Each table has microphones above it and a little speaker and it noise cancels. It actively cancels the noise outta the rest of the restaurant.

Leo Laporte (00:31:05):

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:06):
Really cool. And it worked. We, we could actually talk at our table without

Leo Laporte (00:31:12):
Shouting like that. Wow.

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:14):
Yeah. Active noise canceling in the restaurant.

Mikah Sargent (00:31:19):
That's unique.

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:21):
Yeah. Yeah. I'd never seen that before. I'd the

Leo Laporte (00:31:23):
Most restaurants are designed to be loud. Cuz people feel like it's oh this must be the place to

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:28):
Be. This is the happening place.

Leo Laporte (00:31:29):
All the restaurants in San Francisco, you can't hear anybody it's they're so loud. Right? The tech eye podcast tech eye podcast brought to you today by ClickUp, love these guys. This is a productivity app done. Right? Because you know what? It was developed by people who developed something they needed needed. Right. That's the best way to do it. Imagine getting an extra day every week, like, oh yeah, I'm not gonna work five days this week. I'm only gonna work four. That's what ClickUp gives you. That's what ClickUp, gives you more time to enjoy life. You know, go on a bike ride, enjoy some healthy meals, right? Your great American novel ClickUp is the productivity platform. That'll save you a day a week on work and that's guaranteed the whole idea. They began with the premise that productivity was broken, right.

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Leo Laporte (00:34:58):
They had a great horn section or is it Chicago? I sorry. <Laugh> they? They both had horn sections. Did Chicago have a tuba? No, I don't hear it. <Laugh> Leo. This is, does anybody know what time it is? I don't. I'm sorry. I always get fooled by that beginning. It sounds like the blood, sweat and tears. What must goes up must come down. Oh, I love that. So yeah, another, maybe you could play that next time professor and we will then be able to compare and contrast in our Anaco chamber of my mind. <Laugh> 88, 88. Ask Ashley. You know what we haven't done. Micah. I take

Mikah Sargent (00:35:35):
A call. Yeah, <laugh> talk a Tubo player

Leo Laporte (00:35:37):
Player. Start. Let's talk, talking to somebody Pat's on the line. Rancho Palo Verde, California. Hi pat.

Caller 1 (00:35:44):
Yay. Good morning, Leo. Sorry

Leo Laporte (00:35:45):
To keep you on hold so long. I apologize.

Caller 1 (00:35:47):
Oh, well you keep me laughing. I'll tell you that.

Leo Laporte (00:35:51):

Caller 1 (00:35:51):
I have what, hopefully will be an easy question for you. I'm trying to find out. Do you know of, and can you recommend a free PDF file, compare apps or windows PC.

Leo Laporte (00:36:05):
So you have two PDFs and you want to compare them.

Caller 1 (00:36:09):
That's correct.

Leo Laporte (00:36:11):
We call that ding D Fs. Sure. For difference. Right? Mm-hmm <affirmative> so there are there are some online services that will do this. You might, I mean, how often are you gonna be doing this?

Caller 1 (00:36:25):

Leo Laporte (00:36:25):
Yeah. So you might try D, which will let you drag the PDF file, you know, into a window and do the comparison online for you. And you could do that for free. Okay. If you're gonna do it a lot, they have a da desktop app you can download and you can, you can pay for it. But actually D checker is interesting cuz it won't just do PDFs. It does all sorts of images as well. So if you have two pictures and you think what's the difference, you could actually do that. I spy game, you know the computer <laugh> well, I can tell you the differences right now that does Excel spreadsheets it'll you can check folders. So this is kind of cool, but that's a that's for like, if you only wanna do it once, and then there are programs you can download including some free ones that will that will do that. And if you had Adobe Acrobat, you could do it. They have a compare phone

Caller 1 (00:37:17):
Thing. So

Leo Laporte (00:37:18):
Yeah, but you don't need to buy Acrobat. That's expensive.

Caller 1 (00:37:20):
No. And I got a free version of Acrobat and of course there is a compare tool like that comes with purchased.

Leo Laporte (00:37:28):
Yeah. Isn't that nice of them. Oh, it's free unless you want use it. Oh, you want to use it? Oh.

Caller 1 (00:37:34):
So if, if I wanted to download one, just to have it for free, could you recommend one?

Leo Laporte (00:37:40):
Sure. Of course I can. The, I guess the one I would recommend is called well, first of all, the first one I told you D checker does have a downloadable version, but for free free, I don't think so. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:37:56):
They, the ones that are free are because they have a trial, the ones I'm seeing that you can download. Yeah. So you would still end up paying in the end. I, I honestly think that this website is your best bet from

Leo Laporte (00:38:07):
The also will do online checking and you can download it. There is an open source version, which is free, but it may not be the easiest thing to use. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:38:19):
I saw that one

Leo Laporte (00:38:21):
PDF but it looks like D I F F

Caller 1 (00:38:26):
Dash dash PDF PDF.

Leo Laporte (00:38:28):

Caller 1 (00:38:29):
Well it'll, it'll give me a chance to see how good my computer science degree skills are.

Leo Laporte (00:38:35):
Oh, wow. Well, wait a minute. You didn't tell me you were a computer science graduate. We're good. Okay. Okay.

Caller 1 (00:38:39):
But I'm 62. So, you know, it's been a long time

Leo Laporte (00:38:42):
Ago. No, I think I'll also, you know, what I'll do is I'll put a link to article actually, Micah's gonna do this cuz I know he's looking at it right now from make use, which is really great site. And it says the eight best tools to compare PDF side by side. So you'll at least can see what the choices are and if you do end up doing it more than a few times, it probably is worth paying a little bit for not, not for Adobe Acrobat. I think Adobe Acrobat is very expensive. Yeah.

Caller 1 (00:39:11):
I think it's 20 bucks a month. I'm like, you know

Leo Laporte (00:39:14):
Yeah, yeah. It's really, really, they don't even let you buy it outright anymore. You have to 20 bucks a month, 20, 40 bucks a year,

Caller 1 (00:39:20):
Seven day trial. She's

Leo Laporte (00:39:22):
A thousand bucks every four years. That's crazy. Yeah.

Caller 1 (00:39:26):

Leo Laporte (00:39:27):
That's crazy. That's crazy. I don't yeah. Adobe's lost sight of reality I believe. Yes. And that's <laugh>, you know, that's how they can spend so much money buying. This is the, this is one of the big stories of the week mm-hmm <affirmative> they bought a company called Figma for what was it? It was 20, 20 billion, 20 billion, the largest acquisition in history of a web based tool. They're taking that $20 a a month from you. <Laugh>

Caller 1 (00:40:00):
Not me

Leo Laporte (00:40:01):
Putting it into yeah, not me. Not me either. Holy cow. Hey, I hope that helps pat.

Caller 1 (00:40:07):
Absolutely. I appreciate your help. Where'd

Leo Laporte (00:40:10):
You get your where'd you get your computer science degree.

Caller 1 (00:40:13):

Leo Laporte (00:40:14):
Cornell. Wow, awesome. And this and and, and what did you work in computer science for a while or?

Caller 1 (00:40:21):
I used to work. My first job outta college was Hewlett pack

Leo Laporte (00:40:24):
HP. Yeah.

Caller 1 (00:40:25):
HP back in the day. And then I transitioned into aerospace engineering.

Leo Laporte (00:40:29):
Oh my goodness. Have we talked before?

Caller 1 (00:40:32):
Actually we have, but I don't think I told you any of that.

Leo Laporte (00:40:35):
Oh, well now I will remember aerospace engineer pat. Wow. That's super cool. That's awesome. Did you, did you code or did you was it hardware? What, what kind of stuff did you do?

Caller 1 (00:40:47):
No. Well, I did some coding for the shuttle program. They used a very anti, they did use a very antiquated former software, gold loyal, no law exists. Never heard of it. I've worked well. That's there you go. Yeah. I used to work for Hughes aircraft and Lockheed Martin. Lots of different companies.

Leo Laporte (00:41:07):
So cool. Well, I'm getting goosebumps. <Laugh> that's really great. Thanks for, it's wonderful to talk to you. Well, you know, about D then that you probably use diff it back in the day. It's an, a long time kind of Unix Unix tool. So now they have yeah, you do. Yeah. Now they have DS for PDFs. A pleasure talking to you, pat.

Caller 1 (00:41:25):
Thank you. I appreciate all your help and keep smiling and 

Leo Laporte (00:41:28):
And keep listening. And if I ever have any aerospace questions I know to golf. Yes. Wow. Absolutely. That's awesome. Thanks pat.

Caller 1 (00:41:36):
Touche shade. Y'all have a great

Leo Laporte (00:41:37):
Thing. You too. Andrew Solomons, Maryland. Hi Andrew.

Caller 2 (00:41:44):
Hi Leo. So I had a quick question for you. So I'm looking to purchase a new camera for video purposes and I'm stuck between the Sony a seven S three and the Sony FX six. Now they're not that

Leo Laporte (00:41:58):
They're not comparable <laugh> at all. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:42:03):
So one's one is, they're basically they're DSLR. But, but especially the a 70 threes, all the a seven SS are especially kind of crafted to make video. And because you have so many great lenses for that, you really are getting an amazing it's it's this, but it's, it's SLR, it's SLR camera shaped, right? The FXs are video camera shaped and those are, you know, kind of the king of the hill. I think the FX must be much more expensive. Yes.

Caller 2 (00:42:36):
So it's about a thousand dollars difference. And, and here's my real question. It's like, it's about a thousand dollars difference, but they have the same sensor, so, and I'm, and I'm like, is it, is it that much more? In

Leo Laporte (00:42:49):
Fact, they I'm looking, they take the same lenses, so yeah,

Caller 2 (00:42:52):
Exactly. Which you know, all the money's in glass anyways. Right. So

Leo Laporte (00:42:56):
I'll tell you, so cannon does the same thing. They have regular cameras and cinema cameras and a lot of what it is is the features, right. You can connect it to stuff. It has a lot more settings. So what are you making a movie? What are you doing?

Caller 2 (00:43:14):
So I do a lot of video work, right? So like right now I have an Sony, a 6,500 and like I'm looking to upgrade, right. So I'm looking, you know, I like, but

Leo Laporte (00:43:24):
Either would be a massive upgrade, but if, if videos, your total focus, I wouldn't get an a seven I'd get the FX.

Caller 2 (00:43:30):

Leo Laporte (00:43:32):
Because of it's really designed for, for video you know, they make the a seven for people who wanna shoot stills and have a really good video camera as well. It's, it's the best if it's two together. But I think if you have, if you're doing video and you want ultimate control, you wanna be able to have an ex you know, external monitor while you're shooting, things like that. It has different image processing capabilities. I think it, the really the story is Sony makes these amazing FX cameras, which are widely used by filmmakers. And they thought, oh, let's take some of what we've learned. <Laugh> and put it in our a seven line. I would get the video camera. You want the full, full bar thing, if you can afford it, that's the way to go.

Caller 2 (00:44:17):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, Leo. I appreciate

Leo Laporte (00:44:20):
It. My pleasure. Take care, Leo. Laporte my sergeants. Your tech guys DSLRs also tend to get overheated.

Caller 2 (00:44:31):
No, I've noticed that. And that's one of the issues I have this, the the, the, the later Sony models don't necessarily have that, but the a 6,300 I had before. Definitely definitely had that. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:44:45):
Yeah. They don't. I mean, if you look at the body, it's a much smaller body, they don't have, as, you know, these, the FXs are designed for continuous shooting. They're gonna probably do different formats, higher quality, less compression you know, 1422, I mean, sorry, 4 22, 10 bit is pretty good. You can 120 K you know, I think what they've done is, is the same sensor. So I think what they did is say, well, we can we can put a lot of these features into a DSLR or, or mirrorless. What do you call it? Mirrorless.

Caller 2 (00:45:19):
Yeah. Mirrorless.

Leo Laporte (00:45:20):
Yeah. Mirrorless D Uhuh do mirrorless <laugh>. But I think that really, if, if video is your total purpose, I would say you want the FX.

Caller 2 (00:45:32):
Well, thank you, Leo. I've been following you since I was a little kid on tech TV, so, oh,

Leo Laporte (00:45:36):
Oh, wow. That's great. You know, what do you shoot video for? What do you shoot it for?

Caller 2 (00:45:42):
<Laugh> political purposes, you know, we don't have to go down that road,

Leo Laporte (00:45:46):
Campaign commercials, things like that. Exactly,

Caller 2 (00:45:48):

Leo Laporte (00:45:50):
<Laugh> can, so you probably want the FX cuz then you can do the really dark kind of low key, you know scary picture. <Laugh> you? How this person, Senator Einstein doesn't want you to know. Yeah, I think it's perfect

Caller 2 (00:46:07):
On the left. Everything.

Leo Laporte (00:46:08):
Oh, you shoot on the left. Oh, then you're okay. Then I'll give you the good advice. <Laugh> good. Good for you. That's awesome. That sounds like you're get busy seasons coming if it's not there.

Caller 2 (00:46:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's well, that's why I have the money to upgrade to a camera. Nice.

Leo Laporte (00:46:26):
Get a good one. Andrew, do some good, good work. There's a lot to be done before November.

Caller 2 (00:46:31):
Yeah. Thank you, sir. I appreciate

Leo Laporte (00:46:33):
It all. Take care. Bye-Bye <laugh> Senator Einstein. Doesn't want you to know how much money she's taking from the, I don't know. George Soros. Okay. Yeah. Mr. Mr. Wilkinson, take this away please. It's all yours please. 7 27. All yours.

Scott Wilkinson (00:46:54):
Thank you so very much. Everybody always great to see you on a Saturday. I hear there's some rain coming our way and along California. Mike B says, I mentioned in the chat room that Mike Heis asked you know, how the restaurant was and that we went to dinner after the big Harmon thing. And it was fantastic. Really great. And I had a fish that I had never heard of before called CRE B R E E N. And it was really good. Really good. And so let's see, somebody here said sea Bre are also called pogies <laugh> or what are, what were the, I assume you're referring to those little, little animals in the latest star wars, movies, little OUS, always great to see you. I'm always, my heart always warms when I see my favorite fair wench.

Scott Wilkinson (00:48:03):
<Laugh> in the, in the chat room, my wife and I are probably gonna go the Northern fair by the way. Sometime it it's, it starts this weekend. We're not gonna go this weekend, but we are gonna go some weekend. I'm not expecting a, a super great fair experience cuz it's a Casa Deru on, on the way between the five and the 1 0 1 or between the one on one and the five in California central California I suspect it's not gonna be a complete immersion, complete withdrawal from modern life, but what the heck still gonna be fun. I like, I like going to the fair Mac bookie, our TCL TV's reliable. As far as I know they are. I have not heard any reports of lots of failures on them. So I, I think they are, you, you were asking the question before a hundred inch UST or a 98 inch TCL TV both the same price.

Scott Wilkinson (00:49:11):
I, I, I would caution you to think about the price in terms of does the UST come with its own screen? If not, then you have to budget for a screen and that's gonna be another thousand bucks. So maybe they aren't the same price after all. Maybe the USTs a thousand bucks more. If you counted that in and they still are the same price, then I would say the TV is probably better in, in most cases it's brighter. Certainly the four movie theater, I don't remember what the lag time was on that, but you mentioned something in the chat room about lag time for gaming. And I, I would have to research that, to know which one had the better lag time. As I recall from the UST shootout or showdown, they called it that the four movie theater, which won the, the showdown had a pretty surprisingly good or low lag time.

Scott Wilkinson (00:50:16):
So I, I would look into that if you're a gamer certainly the TCL, the TV will be brighter, significantly brighter. Even though us T projector is meant to be used in a room with ambient light and the screen is an ambient light rejecting screen. It's simply not gonna put as much light out into the room as a TV, by a order of magnitude probably, or at least a bunch bookie. Oh good. You gave me some information here. They are the same price with the screen included lag time on the TV is around seven milliseconds. The, the four movie theater is around 30 milliseconds. Well, there you go. If you're a gamer, you definitely want the TV then without question, without question Eric Tuckman. Yeah. Put up Casa DETA visit the Ren fair. Yep. You know, even though it's, it's not gonna be, as I say complete removal from the 21st century, it'll still be fun.

Scott Wilkinson (00:51:24):
Loquacious misses the fair to, yeah. But after it moved outta Calabasas, it wasn't the same. That is also true. I used to, after it moved outta Calabasas I still was playing in it when it was out in San Bernardino and that was pretty good. And then it moved to Irwindale and that became not as good plus the fair people who put it on started allowing very anachronistic music and stuff to go on there. And it, there were food trucks, they weren't even disguised. So it was like, eh Mac booky says, yes, it comes with that. The same price with the screen. 98 TV is around 450 knits. Yeah, I'm sure the the, the us teeth projector on that screen is probably closer to 200, 250 scooter X. Did I party at the Sage brush Cantina after a day at the fair out in out, out in Calabasas? No, I never did. That would've been fun to do. I did party at the fair after hours though. That was pretty fun. <Laugh> yes. Indeedy.

Scott Wilkinson (00:52:48):
Loquacious. Yeah. They did need to try a bit harder to reach authenticity. I agree. I agree. Plus they have all these theme weekends now, pirate weekend and cost play weekend. It have nothing to do with the Renaissance ger. Let's see, Jim Allen, how did, by the way, my, my screen name is without a, an underscore just mash my first and last name together. How did Sony create a master monitor using I P S L C D technology with a backlight all consumer ODS on picture quality? Well, I'm not sure that it beats all consumer TVs but it does better than most LCD TVs because it uses what's called a dual layer, L C D. So it has an L C D panel that forms the actual picture. And then behind it, it has another LCD panel that's only black and white. That basically gives you local dimming at the pixel level. So it gets much better contrast than a consumer TV except high sense. Now uses this technology in their U nine or U eight consumer TV. So there is at least one consumer TV that uses the same technology. And it does give you better contrast, better black levels. But it still doesn't solve. And an IPS panel will give you better off access, but of course a professional monitor is gonna be right on access. There you go.

Leo Laporte (00:54:34):
Hey, Hey, Hey, how are you today? Leo Laport here, the tech guy now fully caffeinated mic Sargent as well. We're taking your calls at 88 88, ask Leo 88, 8 8 2 7 5 5 3 6, toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada. We will do calls today. Yes, we will. Johnny jet though is coming up in about half an hour to talk travel. And of course the Gaz whiz Dick de Bartolo later in the show with his gadget of the day. But on we go with the calls to IPS, Salanti Michigan Sam. Well Sam's neighbor David. Hello, David.

Caller 3 (00:55:10):
Hello there, Leo and Micah. Thank you so much. The issue I'm concerned about right now, our license plate camera readers. They they track the vehicles. We they're

Leo Laporte (00:55:22):

Caller 3 (00:55:24):
Color and obviously the license plate number. Yep. And only four days ago, our city council voted to ban them. Oh. And they're used in our city. Good

Leo Laporte (00:55:36):

Caller 3 (00:55:37):
Them. Our, our township is in favor of using them. So, so they're

Leo Laporte (00:55:43):
Used, you know, of course on toll, toll roads and toll bridges, that's how they do the automatic toll stuff. Right.

Caller 3 (00:55:52):
And there are red light cameras too.

Leo Laporte (00:55:54):
Yeah. Remember that when you're using city streets and highways and all that, you're, it's a, it's that's not the same as, you know, being in publics, why they can make you have a license to drive on it. It is I'm not sure what the legal term is, but it's, it's a, it's a privilege to use them. And so they have the city and the government, the people who built those reserve, the right to do all sorts of things besides monitoring your speed and those cameras, I think are just another way. I mean, they're fully legal. There's no, no precedent for saying they're not you may not like it. I don't like it, but not much we can do about it. I'm glad I'm good that the SIL city council saw the light. I think you're starting to see a lot more all of all over the country, all over the world, a lot more concern for privacy and that's good news.

Caller 3 (00:56:50):
Reportedly law enforcement sees it as a tool to track people down. Of course, self crime. Of

Leo Laporte (00:56:56):
Course you, you're not in favor of criminals. What do you have to hide? David, if you, you know, you're an honest, see, this is, this is the, this is how they get you. They say, well, if you have nothing to, and a lot of people out here, people say, well, I got nothing to hide, so it's fine. But of course it's fine until somebody decides they don't like you <laugh> and then they can use it against you. And it's reasonable. You know, I have nothing to hide, but I still close the door to the bathroom that it's it's reasonable to say, I want some privacy. Unfortunately

Caller 3 (00:57:27):
I have curtains on my window too.

Leo Laporte (00:57:29):
Yeah, you have curtains, right. Unfortunately you're not in your home when you're on the highway, you are in a public space and, and they have the right to do all sorts of things, require you to have a driver's license to drive on it. They can, you know, set speed limits. And these cameras are just more of the same. Sure. I don't think there's, I, you know, unless you get an enlightened local government that says, you know, this, the state of Illinois bans biometric recognition, you can't use face recognition in this, in the state of Illinois. That's enlightened. That's brilliant. But the problem is law enforcement and government say, but yeah, but how are we supposed to catch bad guys, if you take away these really useful tools, and I understand the tension here, and I'm not in favor of bad guys, I'm not against law enforcement, but that's why we have a constitution in the bill of rights and especially the fifth amendment against the constitutional right against unlawful search and seizure. And I think a lot of people see these starting to become more and more intrusive. There is no specific privacy right in the constitution, but it's implied. And I think you do have a privacy, right? You just don't have one on the freeway.

Caller 3 (00:58:40):
There are some devices I have found there are lenses that you can put in front of your license plate, which allow seeing the plate clearly only from a certain angle, such as straight on, I've even seen that there's apparently some kind of spray which you can spray on the plate. I'm not sure that could even work.

Leo Laporte (00:59:00):
I may also be illegal. I might add because they're gonna assert their right to read your license plate. And of course you know, that right exists for law officers, right? You can't, you can't put mud on your license plate if you're about to Rob a bank <laugh> but, but you know, this is a new, this is new territory, these license plate cameras. I completely understand. I mean, but our privacy is being whittled away dramatically, dramatically.

Caller 3 (00:59:26):
There are also devices that apparently there are LEDs, which apparently can spray the, the field with so much light that it, it blurs out your plate and I'm not necessarily condoning any of these, but I'm wondering if, if you know, we're gonna have a patchwork of it's, you know, you're gonna have cameras here, but not here and over there in this town. What, what do we do? Is there a solution to you

Leo Laporte (00:59:53):
Just have to lobby your local representatives? You know, we have, you know, there are privacy rights, the 14th amendment says, you know, what you do in your house is up to you. But you're not in your house. And just like, if you walk into a mall, right, your rights you've diminished your rights. Sometimes they even put a sign up just, you know, a little sign, but a sign saying, you know, we have the right to kick you out for any reason and blah, blah, blah. Your rights are diminished. This is a difficult balance. I think some people are starting to feel like our government is not fully trustworthy and that's really why I think this is starting to come up because you know, there's privacy from corporations. I don't want 'em to know where I'm, you know, what drugs I'm buying.

Leo Laporte (01:00:40):
So they give me a lot of ads. That's one thing, the worst, you know, corporation, corporations don't own tanks and, and missiles and law enforcement. So the worst they can do is, you know, kinda show you ads, but when government gets in it, there, there's gonna do a lot worse. And right now, you know, I think we can say, we're lucky to live in the us where government is constrained somewhat, but there are plenty of countries in the world where it's not, and those kinds of surveillance technologies are used to harass people and to jail, dissidents and so forth. And I would hate to see that come to this country. So best thing we can do vote get your local representatives like the IIL city council to prohibit this stuff. You're right. This, you know, you, you're coming up against you know, the county and the, and the state and federal governments.

Leo Laporte (01:01:28):
And in many cases law enforcement is able to convince these and convince citizens too. Right? there's a guy in our chat room. I lover her says, Hey, I'm, I'm in favor of this because you know, I I was I was a victim of a crime and they used these technologies to capture the guy I was given justice. So I'm all forgetting bad guys. And I agree it's, but it's that tension between how F you know, look <laugh>, if you wanna go all full minority report, you know 1984, we could really catch some bad guys. If we had cameras in everybody's house, there's, there's definitely a limit. If all you wanna do is catch bad guys. Then all of this stuff is, yeah, Bravo. Yeah. The problem is who's a bad guy and in whose eyes, and I think we have all in this country, all had a long, there's a long standing tension between the right to be private and and the need of course, to enforce the law.

Leo Laporte (01:02:30):
And I think we don't wanna push it too far in any direction. And I'm with you. I don't like the idea of these cameras, but right now, unless your government passes a law against it, there's nothing you can do with it. They're completely legal. And I, you know, honestly, what will be illegal is any technological means to bypass it. They'll just make those illegal, right. There are a lot, there's some good science fiction stories about face recogni, you know, face recognition in public's even worsen license plate, license plates issued by the government. So all they're doing is recognizing something. They issued. What happens if you've got face recognition everywhere, they don't just know where you drive. They know where you walk. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, that's coming to a lot of places. That's why Illinois passed that law. That's a real concern. And there are a lot of science fiction stories where people were light collars.

Leo Laporte (01:03:13):
I actually had, one of our engineers was gonna build us one of these because we had somebody didn't wanna be seen and cameras are everywhere in our studio <laugh> and they were gonna, she was gonna make her this collar that would project infrared light, that the camera would just see a ball of light walking around, but humans would wouldn't see the infrared. I think you're gonna see stuff like that. And I also think it's just a matter of time before they make stuff like that. Illegal, cuz they wanna see everybody. This is why you vote. This is why you put a, a limit on what the government can do. And the government is us. I know this is a little bit of a Pollyanna-ish point of view, but the, the in, in theory, and I think mostly in the us, the government reflects society's very real needs and interests and society wants to capture criminals.

Leo Laporte (01:04:00):
I understand that, you know, police have a monopoly on violence. They're allowed to carry guns and Billy clubs, and they're allowed to use those in the pursuit of their job. Whereas we're not right, but it's appropriate for there to be oversight. And if people decide, we don't want face recognition, every corner license plate cameras in every corner, then they can say no and that, but you do that through government, doing it on your, on your own is gonna be tricky. 88, 88, ask you. I'm sorry, Mike. I had that go off on a no, I'm glad you do on a rant. Get up on the soapbox. I'm with you, David. You're lucky that you have a, a enlightened local government in IPSS, frankly, 88, 88, ask Leo, Mike and Leo, your tech guys more calls right after this.

Leo Laporte (01:04:54):
I'll get outta the way. I, I forget sometimes that I I've been doing this for so long all by myself. I forget

Leo Laporte (01:05:02):
There's somebody else here. I apologize. You, you take it from now. <Laugh> I'm just gonna sit back and relax. We're gonna go see Katie Perry in in October and Mike is gonna do the show all by his lonesome again. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:05:19):

Leo Laporte (01:05:19):
You did a great job. Thanks.

Mikah Sargent (01:05:21):
Now let's get you to discuss the merits of changing the clock.

Leo Laporte (01:05:27):
Oh, don't get me started

Mikah Sargent (01:05:30):

Leo Laporte (01:05:30):
Or changing change. He means daylight saving time. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (01:05:34):
Oh. Oh.

Leo Laporte (01:05:37):
I actually softened my stance on that. I used to be, you know, like, why are we doing this?

Mikah Sargent (01:05:42):
What made you change?

Mikah Sargent (01:05:44):
You just

Leo Laporte (01:05:45):
There's counter evidence that says there are some real reasons you wanna do this may not be may not be. Yeah. Corey is coming up on a TWI soon. I am left shark.

Mikah Sargent (01:06:02):

Leo Laporte (01:06:04):
Corey is coming up soon. I don't know. You know, I there's there's yes. Heart attacks and auto RX go up the day. We we set the clocks back, but there's also, you know, you don't want kids going to school in the dark and there's lots of, you know, it's complicated. It's complicated.

Mikah Sargent (01:06:26):
It's complicated. That's a case it's

Leo Laporte (01:06:28):
Complicated coming up. Johnny jet from cranky dork Fest at the, in and out by lax. That's just around the corner.

Mikah Sargent (01:06:37):
But is that a play on UN Don Fest

Leo Laporte (01:06:39):
Went to Don Fest Fu start?

Mikah Sargent (01:06:41):
I don't know if it's an actual real thing, but it is a reference. Oh no, it is okay. Oh, well it might be,

Leo Laporte (01:06:45):
Is that from the office? Yeah. It's from the office. Isn't it? He's kind of a fan of the office. This you should know about Micah. Yeah. 88, 88 ask Leo. He actually did a podcast about the office

Mikah Sargent (01:06:57):
Retrospective rewatch podcast.

Leo Laporte (01:06:58):
Every single did you get through all the episodes?

Mikah Sargent (01:07:01):
No. I ended up having to say I've got too much to do so now my former co-host and Stephen

Leo Laporte (01:07:09):
Hack, they're still doing

Mikah Sargent (01:07:10):
It from relay are doing it.

Leo Laporte (01:07:11):
There's a lot of episodes of the office. So many. And frankly, the last season, you don't want to do that. The

Mikah Sargent (01:07:16):
Last several seasons.

Leo Laporte (01:07:17):
Yeah. Once, once Michael Scott left, it wasn't really the same.

Mikah Sargent (01:07:20):
It was not the same. No, anyone who's a fan of the office will tell you that

Leo Laporte (01:07:24):
<Laugh>, you know, it's hysterical. All those guys now are getting work, doing ads and cameo.

Mikah Sargent (01:07:32):
Yes. Cameo Uhhuh.

Leo Laporte (01:07:34):
<Affirmative>, they're huge on cameo <laugh> we were talking about surveillance. One more thing to say mm-hmm <affirmative>, which I think is important is this technology is moving much more quickly than our jurisprudence and our understanding and our governments, for instance graveyard tuba in our chat room says police have drones in my town. Nobody told anybody, they just put 'em in place. And now drones are seen cruising neighborhoods for no reason. Imagine, imagine that. Right. And then, and again, if you're any crime you say, well, that's good. I mean, I'd prefer to see foot patrols, but yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Technology's giving, just watch minority report. The movie minority report. Pre-Crime oh, pre-crime that's scary. Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo. That's the phone number? For Leo and Micah Scott on the line from Lexington, North Carolina. Hi Scott.

Caller 4 (01:08:33):
Hello, Mr. President. And I, I guess Mr. Vice president <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:08:36):
I don't know. Micah could be chairman. You don't know, right?

Caller 4 (01:08:40):
<Laugh> either way

Leo Laporte (01:08:41):

Caller 4 (01:08:42):
Minister. My question is about, is about zoom and my voice. You know, I I've gotta find camera and I can adjust that, but I wanna adjust my voice. I, I know radio guys, you know how to add base and,

Leo Laporte (01:08:59):
And no, I sound like this normally. What are you talking about? <Laugh>

Caller 4 (01:09:04):
Well, I don't know how to do it and I don't know what kind of equipment I need or if I can do it with software, cuz all I've got right now are USB mics. I'd be happy to buy a a, I don't know ashore MV seven. You've recommended.

Leo Laporte (01:09:18):
That's a great mic, but it's not gonna give you a big bottom. So there's a couple of things. First of all, it is a dynamic mic. So one of the things about dynamic mics, like the one mic and I are using high PR 40 is something called the proximity effect. So I'm about six inches from the mic. But as I get closer, the base gets more pronounced and you see comics use these with the shore SM 50 eights that they care that they usually have at nightclubs built to the, you know, number 53, your pizzas, that kind of thing. And that's, that's the proximity effect. So that's one way is work the mic closer and you'll get more bass, especially with that new shore. Sure. That's a very good podcasting slash zoom mic, but I'll tell you what Adam Curry uses.

Leo Laporte (01:10:03):
<Laugh> you, I don't know if you want him or not. He uses an AFEX oral excite with the big bottom and that's actually a switch. It's a processor and you can get it on the roader if you use if you're doing a podcast and I think that's probably why Curry has it. You can get the roader pro, which is a inexpensive, but very popular mixer for podcasting gives you several mics and so forth. And it has a switch for the big bottom <laugh> and when you turn it on, you sound like this. It's what radio DJs did for years. So if you're really looking for that, honestly, yes, it's a <laugh>. Okay. Who are you zooming with? Yeah, the president and the chairman apparent who zooming home. That's that's, you know, you, you want something, a processor, what it is, what it is.

Leo Laporte (01:11:05):
And there are processors, the AFEX oral excite was the first processor. I remember when people started using it maybe 40 years ago in music studios and you'd say, well, what does it do? And they'd say, well, you, you, I can't explain it, but just listen. <Laugh> but the big bottom is definitely, if you switch it on, you will tell, I'll put a link to a video from road that will give you an audio feeling of what the big bottom sounds like. I once went to a DJ convention the Gavin report, which was the radio magazine, all the DJs go to this. It was at San Francisco at the San Francis hotel. And I'm walking around all these go. W w Y K Y is St. Louis. They're all talking like this. You come hello, Leo. Hello. It's good to see you. Big voice guy. They all were doing that. So some of it you can do with your own voice, but I think having a good mic really helps. Okay. Well thank you guys very much. All right. You're very welcome. Would you like a position in our cabinet? <Laugh> I would

Mikah Sargent (01:12:20):
Be honored secretary of the interior. Is that

Leo Laporte (01:12:23):
What it's secretary of audio. Oh yeah. Okay. The man in charge of the big bottom man. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. It's a pleasure talking to you. Thank you, Scott. Sure. Processing is the key in all radio, you know, and we process a little bit. We use a really not, we have a very good audio system from the folks at tell us called the Axia. A lot of radio stations use it. And the Axia comes with a processor called the Omnia. That is really state of the art. And nowadays it used to be, you know, tubes and nowadays it's very, it's all digital and it really is amazing what it can do.

Mikah Sargent (01:12:56):
Burke, can you turn on my big bottom

Leo Laporte (01:12:57):
Turn? <Laugh> Micah wants a big bottom Burke. How

Mikah Sargent (01:13:01):
Do I turn on the,

Leo Laporte (01:13:02):
The big bottom? We should, we can give you a switch. <Laugh> that would be fun.

Mikah Sargent (01:13:07):
Flip the switch at the

Leo Laporte (01:13:08):
Big bottom. Hi, this is Micah. What could I do for you?

Mikah Sargent (01:13:12):
So are you telling me that all those trailers with those people with the deep voices are probably using a big bottom? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:13:18):
Wow. Oh yeah. You know, world, that guy he's talking, like he talked like this and really the big bottom bundle only 99 Go out and get your apex oil excited with big bottom pro sounds great.

Mikah Sargent (01:13:32):
Oh, I thought for sure, it'd be thousands of dollars. Well,

Leo Laporte (01:13:34):
That's just a software plugin. Oh, okay. Yeah. So you can apply that after the fact. Yes. Dr. Mom is our surgeon general. Absolutely. Absolutely. Get to wear the uniform. Leo and Micah, Johnny coming up in a world. We're one, man.

Mikah Sargent (01:13:53):
Oh, the big bottom is on <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:13:57):
Oh, if forgot, turn

Mikah Sargent (01:13:58):
On my, I should talk normal. I

Leo Laporte (01:13:59):
Dunno if I'm 10, they forgot to turn on my big bottom. <Laugh> in a world. See? Yeah. A lot of that is the proximity effect. If you just work the mic closer. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:14:07):
I'll get a little ASMR

Leo Laporte (01:14:09):
In a world. You know, if they're working the mic too close, you can

Mikah Sargent (01:14:13):
Hear all their mouth

Leo Laporte (01:14:14):
Sounds. Mouth sounds, which is not good. Unless

Mikah Sargent (01:14:18):
It's a thing you like some people,

Leo Laporte (01:14:21):
Some people want the ASMR of juicy mouths. <Laugh> in a world.

Mikah Sargent (01:14:31):
Good question. Scooter. Rex,

Leo Laporte (01:14:33):
How do you spell a S M R R what does as S M R stand for

Mikah Sargent (01:14:39):
Autonomic something, something.

Leo Laporte (01:14:42):
So, you know, when I was a kid, I think it probably was a S M R like sometimes mm-hmm <affirmative> I, I don't know how I could trigger it, but I'd be listening to something and I kind of go in this altered state.

Mikah Sargent (01:14:55):

Leo Laporte (01:14:55):
Yeah. Like you almost like, not like you, you could move, but you'd have to EF effort it Uhhuh. And it was very pleasant. I think that's what ASMR trying to do.

Mikah Sargent (01:15:08):
Yeah. That's yeah, that is, yeah. It's supposed to be kind of a peaceful zoned out

Leo Laporte (01:15:12):
Autonomous sensory Meridian response.

Mikah Sargent (01:15:14):
Do you know what you were listening to when

Leo Laporte (01:15:16):
It, when? Sometimes it's just people talking. Hmm. Like you're a kid you're lying in bed and you hear the grownups talking in the other room, Uhhuh kind of thing. Or maybe my mom reading to me. But I think, I think it was more like that the, the former, it was like that kind

Mikah Sargent (01:15:29):
Of like peanut style in

Leo Laporte (01:15:30):
The back. And I could, I would like to figure that out. No, I wasn't on acid yet. <Laugh> that was later. That

Mikah Sargent (01:15:38):
Was later. How about he

Leo Laporte (01:15:39):
Was a kid that was later. He is everywhere, man. He's not the us postal service, but he's the next best thing. He's Johnny jet, our travel guru, Johnny But I thought you were gonna be at, in and out today, John,

Johnny Jet (01:15:54):
I was, I just returned. I just was trying to save everyone's ears from all the noise. There was a DJ. I was at the cranky dork Fest. It's still going on right next to the lax in and out burger in the park they had, I mean, it was so crowded. I couldn't find parking the first time I had to go drive like around the airport to come back and do a U-turn and

Leo Laporte (01:16:16):
Why that in and out? What's the deal.

Johnny Jet (01:16:19):
Oh, because it has one of the best plane spotting spots in the whole country. It's amazing. I mean, the planes fly right over you. And you know, we were just there. We had a bunch of Asian plates coming in, especially from

Leo Laporte (01:16:31):
Japan. Oh, those big jumbo jets is seven. Oh yeah. Triple seven. S and the a

Johnny Jet (01:16:35):
Three 50 S triple sevens. I like the three 80 today. No, three 80. I didn't see the three. Not, not yet.

Leo Laporte (01:16:41):
Are they still gonna fly those or are they oh

Johnny Jet (01:16:43):
Yeah, no, they're flying. I actually saw, I saw Qantas land yesterday at lax when I was driving by, if you ever

Leo Laporte (01:16:49):
Get chance to fly, fly a three 80, but the problem with the Airbus three 80 is it's, there's different configurations. So you could put a lot of seats in it, and then it's not, you could

Johnny Jet (01:16:58):
Put up to 800

Leo Laporte (01:16:58):
Something. Yeah. That I don't wanna fly in. But some of the, maybe Emirate, some of the higher end

Johnny Jet (01:17:03):
First clause has two showers, has a shower. Five minutes, you get five minutes of water and, and the shower. They're huge. I've been on it. Bad water. Yeah. I mean, that's how heavy

Leo Laporte (01:17:14):
That's the coffee water? The her

Johnny Jet (01:17:15):
Time? No, you don't wanna drink the water.

Leo Laporte (01:17:18):

Johnny Jet (01:17:18):
Drink it. Actually. You don't even wanna, you don't even wanna eat ice on the plane or, or drink tea,

Leo Laporte (01:17:22):
Keep your mouth closed while you're showering on Emirates. Ew. Now you've spoiled it for me, which is good, cuz I couldn't afford it anyway. So, so you went to KKA, donk Fest or whatever. It's called

Johnny Jet (01:17:34):
Cranky dork

Leo Laporte (01:17:35):
Fest, cranky dork Fest.

Johnny Jet (01:17:36):
So it's cranky flyer. He's got a great newsletter, but it's more for aviation geeks.

Leo Laporte (01:17:41):
People like to look at the undercarriage of airplanes as they fly 1500 feet above you or five

Johnny Jet (01:17:48):
They're less than that too. Less it's it's like a hundred to wow.

Johnny Jet (01:17:52):
Wow. Maybe, maybe 50, maybe. Sorry. Maybe 50 yard. 50 to a hundred yards. I mean they're coming, it's close. That's wild. And yeah, I was at a party last night and there was an Australian guy there. He was like, I drive by lax. I see people with long lenses and I just don't get it. I was like, listen, I'm one of those aviation geeks. It just excites me. When I see these big birds flying, I always amaze me that you could get on a plane in two hours. You'd be somewhere completely different. You know, I used to go from freezing cold Connecticut to hot and sunny Florida in the wintertime, literally two and two hours in change.

Leo Laporte (01:18:26):
I think if I were down there live nearby, cuz I, I would love a double, double animal style and then watch some planes go over. That sounds like a little bit of heaven.

Johnny Jet (01:18:36):
Well, you know what? They did have a broadcast booth of some, a podcaster and 

Leo Laporte (01:18:40):
I'm a radio guy. I could go down there.

Johnny Jet (01:18:43):
Definitely. Then they'd get

Leo Laporte (01:18:45):
Thousands of people. <Laugh>

Johnny Jet (01:18:47):
But speaking about Asian, bring

Leo Laporte (01:18:48):
Your wife, bring your pink slip. Bring your checkbook. Come on down to the big Donka Don festival here at, in and out at lax.

Johnny Jet (01:18:56):

Leo Laporte (01:18:56):
I think it's good. I might do that next year.

Johnny Jet (01:18:59):
They would love to have you, but except

Leo Laporte (01:19:02):
You couldn't hear anything cuz it's so noisy. We'd have to stop broadcasting. Every 15 seconds is a 7, 7, 7 goes overhead

Johnny Jet (01:19:10):
Every two minutes. Zip air. Have you heard of zip air,

Leo Laporte (01:19:14):
Zip air? I'm not sure I wanna fly zip air. What is zip?

Johnny Jet (01:19:17):
AIRAH huh? So

Leo Laporte (01:19:19):
They're a zippity Duda air.

Johnny Jet (01:19:20):
Yeah. They're a low for fair carrier. That is a subsidiary of Japan airlines. Oh and they just announced they're flying from San Jose. Okay, California. Okay. Right now they fly five international destinations, Bangkok, Honolulu, lax, and I think and Singapore and sold. Oh, but now they just announced San Jose in December and they have crazy low fares, 4 71 round trip to Tokyo from San Jose. You

Leo Laporte (01:19:48):
Can't get off the airplane. So you meet the round trip because

Johnny Jet (01:19:51):
No, what Japan's opening up. They're gonna make an announcement this week. I think they're gonna make announcement this week.

Leo Laporte (01:19:55):
Oh my cuz. They were very restrictive actually all Singapore, Hong Kong, same thing. Right? They were very restrictive. So they're but they realize they're

Johnny Jet (01:20:03):
They're losing so much and you know, you gotta, you gotta deal with it now.

Leo Laporte (01:20:07):
How much round trip to Tokyo San Jose to Tokyo

Johnny Jet (01:20:10):
Or 71, including all taxes. But this is a better deal. Business class, life flat seat. $1,600 round trip. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:20:18):

Johnny Jet (01:20:19):
It's a life flat seat. I've

Leo Laporte (01:20:21):
Always won. So they leave from lax and SJC.

Johnny Jet (01:20:25):
Yep. But SJC is gonna be starting in

Leo Laporte (01:20:27):
December. Okay. So right now it's LA S you can

Johnny Jet (01:20:29):
Now and they have an introductory fair. So you gotta jump on it cuz that Fair's not gonna last, but you can book it for, you know, see if it's available in the summer. Just keep in mind that these guys are a low, fair carrier. Even in business class, they charge you for all extras, like seed assignments. They'll charge you for food. So keep

Leo Laporte (01:20:46):
That so free.

Johnny Jet (01:20:48):
Actually WiFi's free and they fly 7, 8, 7 eights.

Leo Laporte (01:20:51):
Is that a nice Dreamliner? Nice. It's a Dreamliner. Oh, I've been on that. That's the one where they don't that's beautiful line. You don't close the windows. They just

Johnny Jet (01:20:56):
Exactly press a button. It's 290

Leo Laporte (01:20:59):
Windows are open. It's good. Fresh air. What coming in. So 41,000 yen. If I decide to go to Tokyo from lax on my birthday how much, how many? That's 416 bucks. I think that's nothing.

Johnny Jet (01:21:13):
The yen, I think it was like,

Leo Laporte (01:21:14):
It's a dime, right?

Johnny Jet (01:21:17):
0, 0 27. I, I, you know, it's difficult to convert.

Leo Laporte (01:21:19):

Johnny Jet (01:21:19):
The yen for me because

Leo Laporte (01:21:21):
You know, cause how long is that flight? Oh yeah. It's a long flight. I bet. Is it?

Johnny Jet (01:21:25):
From 20? No, from lax to Tokyo. No. It's 10, 11 hours depending on, oh my God. I'm going to Tokyo. Maybe 12 hours actually. I've done it a few times. I think it's 12 coming back. I've done it in nine and a

Leo Laporte (01:21:36):
Half. Wow. Their cheapest round trip is 255 bucks. 36,500 yen.

Johnny Jet (01:21:40):
That's one way.

Leo Laporte (01:21:42):
That's one way. Okay. But still yeah. Yeah. Still that's

Johnny Jet (01:21:45):
A gr it's a great deal. And Japan's gonna open. So is this a

Leo Laporte (01:21:49):
Low cost airplane airline though. I mean,

Johnny Jet (01:21:51):
Definitely. Definitely. It's Japan airlines. I've heard mixed reviews, but it's a brand new plane. So you're gonna get nickled and dime. Yeah. But listen, just don't check so much luggage. 

Leo Laporte (01:22:03):
Where your short legs don't wear your long legs. Yeah, we can't, you're

Johnny Jet (01:22:06):
Flying. If you're flying business class, you don't need to worry about

Leo Laporte (01:22:08):
It. Oh yeah. That's a good point

Johnny Jet (01:22:09):
For 1600 miles round

Leo Laporte (01:22:11):
Trip. I actually think Japan's one of my favorite places to visit it is.

Johnny Jet (01:22:14):
Yeah. People are so polite. It's so clean. They're so fashionable. The food is fashion. Great. Unless you're my wife's like they they're so fashionable when we went. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:22:23):
Yeah. I was gonna say, I don't think Johnny, your

Johnny Jet (01:22:26):
Tshirt look at me and I look like, I look like king Kong walking around there and my what's

Leo Laporte (01:22:30):
You have planes on your t-shirt. Is that from the BKA Don?

Johnny Jet (01:22:33):
Well, this is from lax.

Leo Laporte (01:22:34):
Yeah. Oh, that's a shirt. Oh, it's got that. Yeah. What did they do? So lax had this kind of iconic restaurant on legs that closed for a while. Is it reopen

Johnny Jet (01:22:44):
Encounter? They encounter, it's not, I don't know if it's gonna re reopen.

Leo Laporte (01:22:47):

Johnny Jet (01:22:48):
But I think they do. They might do like party space. I don't know they,

Leo Laporte (01:22:53):
To me that's LA parties. You know it, that, that is lax. When you see that you go, yeah, I love it. They should put an in and out in there. Really have good views of the birds. Oh,

Johnny Jet (01:23:02):
They have incredible views. Yeah. There's a whole viewing deck up there, but there's a restaurant called the proud bird, which is on the other side of the runway and a little bit further back, but I told cranky he should do it there next year because he need the there's much more parking space. Yeah. He's cranky be cranky or is he nice? He can be, he can be cranky, but he's a nice guy. But speaking of cranky, doing a time American airlines, you know, announced this week that they might be eliminating one of their best online booking features, which is they're the only airline that puts their that allows their customers to put their flights on hold. If, as long as you're booking like seven days or more, I like that for a cash ticket, but they're testing it out for two weeks right now that they might take it away.

Johnny Jet (01:23:42):
And that really will disappoint a lot of loyal flyers because you know, I love to like find flights, find certain seats, put it on hold. You don't need to put a credit card down and then, you know, check with my schedule or whatever, or see if the price goes down or up the next day. And then I'll book it. And so it looks like they're getting away with it, but keep in mind that every airline, no matter if they're foreign or not, if they fly to the us and you book a ticket tour from the us, you have to, they have to give you your money back within 24 hours. If you book a ticket, if you decide not to. So I always set a reminder, say, let's say I'm gonna go to New York next week or even Paris. You have a day or two weeks.

Johnny Jet (01:24:20):
I have, I can book it right now. And I have 24 hours to decide. Yeah, if I not, but other airlines, they make you put the credit card down. So then you have to go into their website and hit, cancel in America. You don't, it just disappears. So Johnny jet, I'm sorry, you didn't bring me some animal style fries, but okay. Listen, I didn't even have time to grab a double double <laugh>. I was like, you know what? I can't do the, I can't broadcast disappears. Maybe the time would be tomorrow to go there. Johnny as his website subscribed his free newsletters. Follow him on Instagram and Twitter. He's the best travel guru. Johnny jet. Thank you, John. <Laugh> thank you.

Johnny Jet (01:25:07):
Oh, you know, I would love to do the radio show for, but it's probably be too noisy to do the show from down there. Huh? You know, if you have the right gear, I think it'll be fine. I need to soundproof booth. That's the right gear. Yeah. It's loud. It's it's loud. They're coming. They're if you look at the, I just, I just tweeted a picture of cranky and I on, on Twitter, the hashtag dork Fest. That's what it looks like people are using. So you can see some of the planes hashtag dork Fest. Well,

Mikah Sargent (01:25:34):
And as Kim points out, they are broadcasting the show live. So there is someone there that's

Johnny Jet (01:25:38):
From a podcast,

Mikah Sargent (01:25:39):
Youtube tubing,

Johnny Jet (01:25:40):
Tubing, it live or YouTuber. Okay. Okay.

Mikah Sargent (01:25:43):
I don't know what that sounds or looks like, but I'm clicking to see,

Johnny Jet (01:25:47):
Well, see on YouTube, it doesn't matter if you've got jets going, but they had some airlines there. Spirit was there and people were like, you know, actually I forgot to grab a spirit bag cuz all that stuff's gonna be collectables. Yeah. They're going, when they go outta business, they're gonna be jet blue. They're gonna be jet blue soon. I know. And oh, he's wearing airlines. A hot

Leo Laporte (01:26:03):

Johnny Jet (01:26:04):
And they just went out. They just

Leo Laporte (01:26:07):
They're gone. Ahas gone.

Johnny Jet (01:26:08):
Yeah. That was a Reno based airline.

Leo Laporte (01:26:11):
That's so funny. We were in Santa Rosa a month ago. They were doing their first flight from Santa Rosa <laugh> and they were at balloons and everything they're gone already.

Johnny Jet (01:26:19):
I'm pretty sure. Let me just double check now. I'm like, but yeah. They're gone.

Leo Laporte (01:26:24):
Let's look at some pictures at dork Fest. Airline. Oh yeah, you're right. There's a there's there's a lot of people. This is a good day to call, you know, tomorrow. I wish you were here tomorrow. Micah cuz now that the NFL is back, once the games start, it gets really quiet in here. Oh, oh, it's really quiet.

Mikah Sargent (01:26:41):
Oh, cuz everybody's watching there. They're

Leo Laporte (01:26:43):
All. They're all listening and watching the football game and not listening to the old, your old tech guy. Pal Perry is on the line from Los Angeles. Our next caller. Hi Perry.

Caller 5 (01:26:53):
Hello. How you

Leo Laporte (01:26:54):
Doing? Well, I'm great. How are you?

Caller 5 (01:26:57):
I'm wonderful. I've been a fan for old Canada time.

Leo Laporte (01:27:02):
Oh yeah. Used to go up there every month for a week to tape shows. Call for help and lab with Leo. Wow.

Caller 5 (01:27:10):
Well, well I am a a deserter of windows and I'm going into using apple. And I bought an M one and I've come across a small problem. I do not know how to make my, if I click on a file, how to make it open with what I want it to open with. There is a right thing and it says open with, and then it says I have programs that use a certain program and it says default. And I wanna change that default.

Mikah Sargent (01:27:47):

Caller 5 (01:27:47):
Open the program every time.

Mikah Sargent (01:27:48):
So this is yeah, I understand why you thought maybe open with, was ready to go. So on any given file you'll write click, and instead of choosing open with you're actually gonna choose get info. When you choose get info, this little window pops up and it shows all sorts of information about the file that you're working with. And under one of those sections is the, is the section called open with you'll hit the little disclosure triangle to bring that down. And then underneath there you will see open with and a set of apps. It'll look just like that open with window from before. But here's, what's different about this version is once you select a different app, a button within that section says change all. And when you click change all, then it will tell Mac O S Hey, I want to always use this application that I've selected for any file that has this extension on the end. So yeah, you just needed to go one step further, you go get info instead of open with, find that open with section, change it to the app you want and choose change. All

Caller 5 (01:28:52):
Bless you. And just to let you know, I'm visually impaired and I'm using an LG 52 inch monitor that I sit about a foot away from. <Laugh> nice. And it works really good with the M one. I'm very happy with that machine.

Leo Laporte (01:29:09):
Wonderful. Yeah. I run a 55 inch monitor myself on my Mac studio and it's, it's great. I have, I agree with you a hundred percent. Yeah. And windows, it's a little more complicated. They have a database of what they call file associations windows. Does it based on the extension, Apple's a little more sophisticated from day one. Apple had a much more sophisticated system where they would they would actually embed in the document attributes of what you open something with. I don't know if they still do that. That's a pretty old school way of doing it. But here I am looking at a PDF and if I go to the info and then look it open with, I can choose a variety of things and you'll get at that point, you'll get a choice of whether you wanna always open it with that. Just press change all. And that will change everything with a PDF extension in this case to whatever your, it becomes a new default app. So you can do it ones Z two, or you can change it permanently. I think that's actually a good way to, to do it. Oh, it's a lot easier to do it that way, I think, than the windows file association system, which is kind of complicated. Does that make sense?

Caller 5 (01:30:18):
That I did what I needed to do? Yeah. You appreciate you. Micah and Leo. You're welcome. Like I said, I've been a viewer since way back,

Leo Laporte (01:30:29):

Caller 5 (01:30:30):
Back Leo. I'm only a month older than you.

Leo Laporte (01:30:35):
So you've been watching since I was born <laugh>

Caller 5 (01:30:38):
No, no, no. I've been watching since, since the Canadian day.

Leo Laporte (01:30:43):
<Laugh> okay. Those were the days I loved going up to Toronto and then later Vancouver, it's a beautiful, beautiful two beautiful cities. It was so much fun. Hey, it's a pleasure talking to you. Thanks. Thanks for calling Perry. I appreciate it.

Caller 5 (01:30:55):
No problem. All right.

Leo Laporte (01:30:56):
Let's see. We have time. I think you ring the bell. Oh, we did it. I don't have a bell. Oh, we, we got the answer. There should be a bell. Wait a minute. I need, I need something that says, wait a minute, here. I, I have a bell. Wait a minute. I do have a be send that out. Matt. Whoop some point and I, I would we're Ark F let's close dork Fest. Yeah. Yay. Okay. <Laugh> now Tom from teen New Hampshire. Hello Tom.

Caller 6 (01:31:20):
Hello Leo. Hello, Micah. How you doing today? We're

Leo Laporte (01:31:23):
Great. How are you?

Caller 6 (01:31:26):
All right. I wanna talk about Andy and Nacho's favorite new feature on the iPhone?

Leo Laporte (01:31:30):
The dynamic island. Yes. What do you have a new iPhone? You, you need an iPhone for,

Caller 6 (01:31:38):
Yeah, I got it yesterday. Good. You got the pro yesterday. Okay. And I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do with this darn thing.

Leo Laporte (01:31:45):
<Laugh> you, you both, you can't do anything with this darn thing. Your app has to do it. I don't know.

Caller 6 (01:31:51):
Right. So when I talked on it earlier, yeah. We opened up the music app. We started playing music right yesterday. I talked on it and opened up my podcast app. So you can't there's, there's no setting for it. You can't choose

Leo Laporte (01:32:06):
It's whatever's whatever. So I'm playing some music and you can see that the, where the pill is, I'm showing this radio. So you'll have to use your imagination, but you

Caller 6 (01:32:15):
I'm blind too, so

Leo Laporte (01:32:16):
Doesn't matter. Okay, good. You're used to it. So you where the pillow is, once I'm doing music, I see it looks like a volume control and an album. Art it's little teeny weeny though. If I tap it, that's the one that goes bigger. And then I get a control. It's whatever's running in the background. See? So, and, and you could tell by, you know, seeing what's running in the background, I've closed music and now it doesn't have that anymore. It has nothing. So it's

Caller 6 (01:32:44):
Not supposed to

Leo Laporte (01:32:45):
Be, yeah, it's, whatever's running. So if you're running a podcast then that, that's what, that's what will show up obviously. And this is, this requires frankly, if requires the, if it's not an apple app yes. That the developer add that. And I think a lot of 'em haven't let's look at pocket casts a

Mikah Sargent (01:33:00):
Little too

Leo Laporte (01:33:00):
Soon. Yeah. See pocket cast doesn't change. If it's,

Mikah Sargent (01:33:03):
If it's media or audio streaming, then it will happen automatically as long as they're using the built in API for that. But yes, there are some third party apps I saw Apollo, the for looking at Reddit.

Leo Laporte (01:33:16):
That's pretty cool. Yeah. They have a little they have a little bug that let make sure I'm it's called pixel pal. <Laugh> welcome to the dynamic island zoo. So you choose, you choose what you want a cat, a dog, a hedgehog, or a Fox or an axle. Lottle what did you pick? Oh, Mike, did you pick a hedgehog? Oh, I picked the dog. Oh, you gotta pay for it. <Laugh> oh man.

Mikah Sargent (01:33:42):
Only the ale lot cost

Leo Laporte (01:33:44):
Only the axil only Axel lottle cost extra. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think you have to,

Mikah Sargent (01:33:48):
That's where you have to pay for ultra, but the dog is, if you have pro then you're good.

Leo Laporte (01:33:55):
Confused. All right. Well anyway, I, I can't show, can I show you? You can. Oh yeah, there it is. You see, it's a little, it's a little tiny doggy <laugh> or in my case, a head Chuck right above. And it walks around, I think, right?

Mikah Sargent (01:34:09):
Yes, it does. It's a kinda like a little Tomagotchi almost.

Leo Laporte (01:34:12):
So I guess I have to pay, I thought I'd paid for this, but I'll, Apollo's a nice Reddit. So the third parties can do it.

Caller 6 (01:34:19):
It goes on and on. You'll get more and more out working.

Leo Laporte (01:34:21):
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I was when apple announced this last week, I was actually pleased to hear that they had created a, what? We call an API, an interface for developers to use it. Yeah.

Caller 6 (01:34:31):
I thought I heard that.

Leo Laporte (01:34:32):
Yeah. So that's, that's the good news and right now, yeah. It's apple stuff. It's interesting choice. You know, they're taking something that they have to do, which is,

Caller 6 (01:34:40):
I didn't remember that thought was there

Leo Laporte (01:34:42):
<Laugh> yeah. Well, that's the nice thing. You don't see it. Do you? Because it's, it's a dark part of the screen. So it's not, it's not like the notch where it's, it's super annoying. I guess if I open something that doesn't know about the notch, it's gonna, it's gonna maybe, maybe show a hole in there. If you show videos, they're gonna be truncated. You know, they won't go all the way to the edge. So some people say, Hey, you're wasting screen, but you need to put that hole in there for the front facing camera for all the, the LIDAR, all this fancy stuff they've got in there. So Apple's embracing basically something they have to do.

Mikah Sargent (01:35:15):
I think because of the initial excitement about the dynamic island, a lot of folks maybe got the misrepresentation that it was this active thing, but it isn't, it is a passive addition. So it's not necessarily something you used to interact with. It sort of sits in the background and just shows you things.

Leo Laporte (01:35:32):
<Laugh> like little people walking around on your pixels. <Laugh> Hey, a pleasure talking to you. Thanks for calling Micah and Leo, your tech guys more to come. This is a Promax I'm looking at. So you can't really see it, but there's in theory. There's a little,

Mikah Sargent (01:35:55):
It is very small. Well, I don't

Leo Laporte (01:35:58):
See yours. Yeah. Well maybe. So I have to go into settings. Where is it? Pixel. Pals. Yeah. Where is it? I paid for ultra. Just to get it. <Laugh> it's your fault. It's there. Oh, there it is. See? Oh yeah, there its it's tiny sea. That's all. So I wonder is it in appearance? Must be in appearance. Can I make the pixel P bigger? Could Lord. There's a lot of stuff here. <Laugh> app icon WBA, dub. Dub. Yeah. No, I don't wanna change the app. Icon filter gestures accounts about,

Mikah Sargent (01:36:38):
I don't know, maybe theme

Leo Laporte (01:36:39):

Mikah Sargent (01:36:40):
Oh no. It's not fair

Leo Laporte (01:36:41):
Theme. Maybe if you're just looking at it and you tap it, you get no, it's just where are you where you pixel? It's really tiny. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (01:36:50):
There it is. It's in general up at the very top.

Leo Laporte (01:36:52):
Oh, of course. It's in general. It's

Mikah Sargent (01:36:54):
The first option.

Leo Laporte (01:36:55):
Pixel pals. Where else would it be? So I picked a hedgehog. Maybe I'll pick a cat instead, since yeah. Cats are bigger. So the cat's sleeping right now. You see little Zs

Mikah Sargent (01:37:06):
Coming, the cat named Hugo

Leo Laporte (01:37:07):

Mikah Sargent (01:37:08):
I've got Rupert the dog,

Leo Laporte (01:37:10):
But it's tiny.

Mikah Sargent (01:37:11):
It's very tiny, but

Leo Laporte (01:37:12):
It's kind of cute. I mean it's

Mikah Sargent (01:37:13):
Yeah. That's, that's all it is. It's just a little fun.

Leo Laporte (01:37:14):
Cute. So I wonder, let's see. It's probably all apple stuff and yeah, you don't notice it unless you're no it's, unless you're looking, it's not really. So if I listen to an audio book, will it

Mikah Sargent (01:37:26):
Yeah, it should. I, in fact, I was just listening to an audio book on the way.

Leo Laporte (01:37:29):
Oh yeah, there it goes. Pops. So Audible's got that. So you

Mikah Sargent (01:37:31):
Can see a

Leo Laporte (01:37:32):
Lit if you, but all it does with audible is open up the the app, unfortunately.

Mikah Sargent (01:37:36):
Yeah. It still up the little, I imagine that that could be added on audible. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:37:41):
Cuz music does that. Mm-Hmm

Mikah Sargent (01:37:42):
<Affirmative> music has a little widget kind of thing.

Leo Laporte (01:37:43):
Yeah. Apple's music.

Mikah Sargent (01:37:46):
I do like with face ID in third party apps. It does a nice little animation at the top. Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:37:52):
I liked that. I like that too. Let's see. I'll go to bit warden. Does it? I think so. See. Yeah. That's cool. Isn't it?

Mikah Sargent (01:38:01):
I like that a lot.

Leo Laporte (01:38:02):
It's really

Mikah Sargent (01:38:02):
Cool. Oh, and interestingly, I, I thought I was the only one I originally got the clear case so that I could show off the iPhone 14 ind purple. Yeah. And I wasn't the only one who had this happen. There's the case. It's edges are kind of pressed away from the device. And so it's like this weird creaking thing every time. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:38:26):
I don't like that.

Mikah Sargent (01:38:27):
It felt terrible. And this is the apple one and it, yeah, it felt like it was gonna fall out because it was not gripping the edge. So

Leo Laporte (01:38:33):
What'd you get instead,

Mikah Sargent (01:38:34):
This is the forest green. Or as some people are calling it, the turtle green,

Leo Laporte (01:38:39):
It's like a very, it's not, there's no forest. It looks like that. No. So I have the nomad case which fits very nicely, but I think it's great. I can use my old case until I get my, my new one, which is also from Davis case, I use these wallet cases, which I like, cuz then I don't have to carry a phone in wallet. This

Mikah Sargent (01:38:59):
Is all in there. Yeah. That's nice. All

Leo Laporte (01:39:00):
Together. All my, all my hundred dollars bills are in there.

Mikah Sargent (01:39:04):
Correct? Correct.

Leo Laporte (01:39:10):
I still haven't added anything to this.

Mikah Sargent (01:39:16):

Leo Laporte (01:39:17):
To what I tell you. Love that one.

Mikah Sargent (01:39:24):
That's that? That's that shrimp in the fridge. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:39:29):
So I'm looking in the fridge and Lisa left her lunch there and I said, oh, I should eat this. It's it's tuna, tuna rice. And Micah says, when's that from? I said, Wednesday. I said, no, no, please don't eat that. Don't eat. Don't eat. Wednesday's tuna. I said, oh, wait a minute. It's not tuna. It's shrimp. <Laugh> oh, okay. Not a problem. Well, Hey, Hey. Hey. How are you today? Leo? Laporte Mike Sargent. Here we are the tech guys. Ready to answer your calls? Talk about anything. What would you like to talk about today? 88, 88. Ask Leo. We've got the new iPhones. We can talk about that. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> you've got a M dot two. Not dot, no dot M two Mac. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:40:18):
Like book

Leo Laporte (01:40:18):
Air in midnight. Blue. Blue.

Mikah Sargent (01:40:20):

Leo Laporte (01:40:21):
Sorry. You could talk about that. We could talk about windows, your all over windows. You've got a blue windows machine as well. Yes. Elvis is all your stuff. Blue.

Mikah Sargent (01:40:32):
<Laugh> those are just the colors that are available.

Leo Laporte (01:40:33):
Oh, okay. Looks

Mikah Sargent (01:40:34):
Somewhat nice. If

Leo Laporte (01:40:35):
You could have any color, you want green, green, everything green, like green,

Mikah Sargent (01:40:38):
Green, green. That's my favorite color.

Leo Laporte (01:40:41):
No one understands. Don't well, green is great. No one understands it. I, you know, it's funny

Mikah Sargent (01:40:47):
Color of nature.

Leo Laporte (01:40:48):
It is the color of nature, but this is not nature. This is technology. So it should be black or gray. Fine. Whatever. Cause there's no nature. You see what I'm saying? No nature here. No nature way back in the day. Before your time. PC manufacturers thought, you know this beige, they were all beige, right? Mm-Hmm <affirmative> these beige boxes. Nobody wants, we want people. We're not going to get Mr. And Mrs. America to buy a beige computer that's for the office. So Acer was the first to do this. They made a computer. It was like colors and swooping lines. And it had holes in it and stuff. They look really good. They couldn't sell 'em. Nobody wanted, they said that's not a computer that doesn't look silly. That's a piece of furniture. I don't. Yeah, it should be gray or beige herbs on the line. Oh no. Herb beer coming up first. It's Ram on the line from Laguna Hills, California. Hi Ram.

Caller 7 (01:41:41):
Hi. How you doing?

Leo Laporte (01:41:42):
We're great. Welcome.

Caller 7 (01:41:44):
What's up? Oh, fun. Prank take. Yeah. I been listening to you on and off for give or take a bunch of years on

Leo Laporte (01:41:51):
And off for give and take. I like it means you've you've heard five shows. Now you take a bunch of years. I love

Caller 7 (01:41:58):
That a bunch. Absolutely. Absolutely. Ever since you, you used to talk about hand radio too. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:42:04):
Yeah, yeah,

Caller 7 (01:42:05):
Yeah. Are you a ham? Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:42:09):
Ah, amateur an amateur radio enthusiast.

Caller 7 (01:42:13):
Yeah. I'm I'm not very active anymore, but 

Leo Laporte (01:42:18):
You know, I, I got the license and I got a general license, got all the equipment and I realized, wait a minute, I talk on the radio for a living. I don't really need to do this when I go home I'm but when I retire, I'm gonna be very Gabby. Very chatty. What's your, what's your, what's your call sign?

Caller 7 (01:42:34):
K six lb.

Leo Laporte (01:42:36):
Ooh, that's good. Did you pay for that? K six lb. Nice.

Caller 7 (01:42:41):
No. Well I paid once, once

Leo Laporte (01:42:44):
Little vanity vanity call sign. I like it. Sorry. I like it like it. Yeah. I have a vanity call sign too. I'm not mocking you I'm w six T WT cuz our podcast network is TWI. Oh yeah. T

Caller 7 (01:42:57):
W2. Well, I was a W2 and then I went to a meeting for work in Philadelphia when I was in Princeton and in the same building was the federal building up on the very top was the FCC. So I kind of climbed up when the meeting became boring. <Laugh> gosh, they can take the extra

Leo Laporte (01:43:19):
To get a K so yeah. Nice. So

Caller 7 (01:43:21):
Yeah. Do you have the advance? I said no. Well first you have to take the advance.

Leo Laporte (01:43:26):
Oh that's so you only get a K if you're advanced. Ah,

Caller 7 (01:43:30):
I took all of them actually, to be honest with you, I didn't have I did not have the California license. Ah sure. New York license at that point. So they said you have a journal. Nope. Says, okay, sure. I walked up to the, went back to the meeting, went up again, took the

Leo Laporte (01:43:50):
Lunch. <Laugh> you know your radio. That's good. I don't know if I, I don't feel like I could take the advance. The good news is, you know, I wouldn't have been a ham 20 years ago. Cause you needed to know Morse code. You no longer need to know Morse code.

Caller 7 (01:44:03):
So I know, I know

Leo Laporte (01:44:05):
That's a big improvement. I think

Caller 7 (01:44:06):
Among the things I was in was the signal core. So I

Leo Laporte (01:44:10):
Ah, you know, your di DITs and and dash

Caller 7 (01:44:14):
That's right? Yeah, that's right. And I practiced a little bit and I figured good for you. Oh, I, if I take them all, all at the same time, I will get to the 20 before I forget it.

Mikah Sargent (01:44:24):
<Laugh> yeah, there you go. There you go.

Leo Laporte (01:44:26):
Yeah. That's smart. What can, what can we do for Iran?

Caller 7 (01:44:31):
Well, you can gimme the seven digits I need for the load in California, but I guess it's

Leo Laporte (01:44:37):
<Laugh> Hey, if I knew, would I tell you?

Caller 7 (01:44:40):
Yeah, I don't know. You can go and get the numbers and just gimme 5% and

Leo Laporte (01:44:45):
Okay. Okay. As soon as they tell me, I'll let you know,

Caller 7 (01:44:49):
Here's the question. I'm looking for a program. Can, I mean a yeah. Software it can be free or it can be some reasonable amount to go through the computer and clean out the junk I had at one time, I forget the name of it and it was quite effective. 

Leo Laporte (01:45:09):
So your windows are Mac

Caller 7 (01:45:11):
That windows. Then I had system mechanics, which merge marginally works. Okay. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:45:17):
People, some people swear by seek, seek cleaner or actually guess see cleaner. Yeah,

Caller 7 (01:45:23):
I have that too. I'm

Leo Laporte (01:45:24):
I'll tell you the truth. My opinion on these is if it it's not gonna do much, it'll delete, you know, temp files, cash files, stuff like that, but it can't be too aggressive cuz it's easy enough to break windows. So most of these don't do anything. I think spectacular. I mean see cleaner claims, you know, it's, it's gonna protect your privacy, make your computer faster, more secure, I guess. I don't know. Mikey, you just did a podcast on your hands on Mac about something for the Mac.

Mikah Sargent (01:45:59):
Yeah. It's called clean my Mac and I wish so clean MACPA actually made clean my PC a PC version of this, but they don't develop it any longer. Yeah. So does

Leo Laporte (01:46:09):
Clean my Mac do more than say see cleaner? I mean, does it do some

Mikah Sargent (01:46:13):
Stuff? Yeah, it, it does quite a bit. That's that's why I end up recommending it because it can also help you uninstall programs entirely rather than just deleting the app file. It can help you run maintenance scripts and clear out the the local cash. I mean it does. Yes, it does the cash stuff, but it does a lot more than that. And that's why I like it. Cuz it's an all purpose kind of cleaning and, and refreshing.

Leo Laporte (01:46:36):
You could use Hillary Clinton's FA favorite hard drive, cleaner bleach bit bleach. In fact, somebody in the chat room is saying they use it and like it bleach bit is for windows or for Linux bleach And it is free because it's open source. I like the idea. I think it's open source. I like the idea that it's open source. Because then you can kind of know what it's doing. Maybe not you, but people are looking at it closely. So I guess if you wanna try one, that's free, I'm looking at the user interface and I like it that it really tells you ahead of time. Look, here's what I want to do. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and you can say, yeah, you better not delete my registry. I think I want to keep that <laugh> kinda need, kinda need that.

Leo Laporte (01:47:25):
So you can kind of vet it preview it before it does anything. And then if you like it you can, you know, uncheck boxes. You don't want it to delete. And if you like it'll delete those this seems like a good solution. This is open source free. I can't imagine it does any less than the paid closed source versions. And I do like it that you can see what it's doing ahead of time, bleach I don't actually do any of this. What I usually do if I you know, feel like things are getting sluggish, which they do, you know, you use windows for three or four years. It's definitely getting bit rot, you know, starting to get more and more sluggish. I like to start over mm-hmm <affirmative> I think the same with a phone, the same with a Mac it's a little more aggressive, but the idea of wiping the drive, reinstalling the operating system in the apps, and then that gives you an opportunity to not install a lot of the apps.

Leo Laporte (01:48:22):
That's one of the reasons things get slow is over years, you've installed hundreds of apps you don't even use. So if you do, I think this is my favorite way to do this. Wipe the drive, reinstall the latest version of the operating system. That way you don't have previous bits of old operating systems lying around and then very judiciously reinstall your apps. And the reason I think that's important, not merely cuz it uses up disc space to install an app that you don't use, but everything you install on, any computer or phone, everything adds the potential for security, privacy and, and just reliability problems. So the less you install the better always. So I think it's a great kind of disciplined it's spring cleaning, right? Mm-Hmm <affirmative> in the fall. Yeah. Yeah. <Laugh> just wipe it and start over to me. That's gonna be your, your best bet on an iPhone. For instance, it's the only way to get rid of all those extra. What do they call that? Yeah. The other files files other files, which no one knows what they are. <Laugh> you really have to reinstall the iPhone to to see the difference. Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number. Thank you for the call. I appreciate it. Ram. We'll get you next herb. And of course coming up about half an hour from now, Dick de Bartolo mad magazine's mad writer and his gizmo of the week.

Leo Laporte (01:49:44):
I'm sorry. I'm gonna let you answer the next one. I, I was able to answer that Mac one with no problem. Yeah, you were good on that. Good. And I didn't know if you knew about some of the other things, but I should just let you do it. I am gonna go dance.

Leo Laporte (01:50:04):
Leo Laport, the tech guy. I sometimes get it wrong. I said Chicago, does anybody know what time it is? It was Saturday afternoon in the park. I said blood, sweat, and tears. What goes real? And it was some other, so, you know, spinning wheel actually ask the name, this the song spinning wheel. All right. She, you still haven't played that for me, professor. Yeah. Where is that song? Yeah. Oops, sorry. You forgot. She forgot. It's okay. 88 88. Ask Leo don't you know, you're our personal juke box herb. Finally. I'm sorry, herb. We apologize. Rancho Santa Fe, Leo Laport mic Sargent your tech guys.

Caller 8 (01:50:39):
Hi Leo. Thanks for taking my call. Thanks

Leo Laporte (01:50:41):
For calling.

Caller 8 (01:50:42):
I've got a Epson five color printer that is starting to get tired and complaining and

Leo Laporte (01:50:49):
<Laugh> what's what is it saying? Oh, oh, I've been this <laugh> I can't print anymore. Yeah, well French.

Caller 8 (01:50:57):
It, it objects to two-sided printing and oh

Leo Laporte (01:51:00):
Wow. Is this two-sided planting Brent. Don't do that crazy. So you want a new one or what's the deal?

Caller 8 (01:51:07):
Well replacement. And my question to you is have you done any research or know anything about the difference in a three color or a five color printer as far as what you see when you print out a picture?

Leo Laporte (01:51:21):
Well, five's two more colors. <Laugh> so I like five color. If, if you're doing photo printing, you need five color. If you're just doing business color, three's plenty.

Caller 8 (01:51:35):
Okay. Well that answers my question. I I'd like to get a, the one with the eco tanks or whatever they call it.

Leo Laporte (01:51:42):
Yeah. The eco tanks are great.

Caller 8 (01:51:44):
Yeah. Except they don't do a five color. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:51:46):
That would be five tanks. Are you sure? Cuz I've had boy Epson was famous for their photo printing. Yeah, I didn't realize they only did three color, huh?

Caller 8 (01:51:55):
Well, they have the old cartridge five color printer. You can still get that it's quite a bit more expensive.

Leo Laporte (01:52:02):
Well, oh yeah. Cuz it's, it's basically a photo printer. Yeah, they do have the exon Epson expression premium mm-hmm <affirmative> that gives that should tell you something <laugh> premium

Caller 8 (01:52:13):
Premium as in big bucks

Leo Laporte (01:52:15):
As in it's gonna, you don't don't ask how much, because yeah, it's over a thousand bucks, so yeah. Three is fine for everything, but photo printing.

Caller 8 (01:52:26):
Yeah. Okay. Can I do another quick question? Yes. I have a iMac 2015 model and it won't take the upgraded program operating system. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and I'm wondering if I should keep the iMac and will it plug into a mini Mac, the will the screen plug in or the monitor plug into a mini Mac?

Mikah Sargent (01:52:55):
Yeah. So you're asking if you can use your 2015 iMac as a display for a new Mac mini, correct?

Caller 8 (01:53:02):
Oh that's yes. That's it. Yeah. Okay.

Mikah Sargent (01:53:05):
Let me check about the 2015 iMac.

Leo Laporte (01:53:07):
So yeah, unfortunately apple used to have this thing called target display mode where you could put the iMac into a mode where it would just see that you had a other computer hooked up to it. I don't think the 2015, I think it is continued it. Yeah. Which is really dumb because here you have this beautiful display

Mikah Sargent (01:53:25):
It's, it's a really fascinating thing. It's you know, of course on the end you go, well, I, I don't care that that's the case, but essentially when apple made these 2015 IMAX and later in order to push the the display that they had, they had to create this special custom system that did all of the video graphics for the left side and right side of the screen independently and made it all one display.

Leo Laporte (01:53:49):
Oh, that's right.

Mikah Sargent (01:53:50):
Yeah. And so if you wanted to be able to do target display mode, you would have to plug in two Thunderbolt cables to be able to make work. So they thought that's not very that's unwieldy, so we're just not going to allow it.

Caller 8 (01:54:02):
That's rude. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:54:04):
Rude it's woo it's. Now there is a way to install the latest Mac OS on that older Mac. It's not a approved <laugh> method, but there is a little driver that you can install and people use it, say it works just fine. So I've never used it. I I'm, I kind of little superstitious about something like that. It's a third party driver that lets you install old, newer Mac O S's on unsupported max older max. So if you, if what you really care about is the is the, is getting, you know, Ventura on there or you know, Catalina, one of the newer ones you can

Caller 8 (01:54:49):
Well non apple programs

Leo Laporte (01:54:51):
With a third party non apple program. Exactly. Yeah.

Caller 8 (01:54:55):
No, but will they work on

Leo Laporte (01:54:57):
Yeah. The people do it <laugh> I, again, I've never had the nerve to, but the people who use it say it's perfectly fine. I think what happens is Apple's setting an artificial switch saying, well, we don't, we really don't wanna support a 20, 15 iMac with the latest Mac OS. Yeah. So we're not gonna, and of course you'll be losing you know, you'll be losing Apple's support. I mean, you can't call 'em and say, Hey, I'm having trouble with Ventura. <Laugh> that's right, right. 

Caller 8 (01:55:28):
What's the name of that?

Leo Laporte (01:55:30):
I'm trying to find it. I can't remember off the top. Do you remember mic off?

Mikah Sargent (01:55:33):
I can't. I know what you're talking about, but I also can't

Leo Laporte (01:55:35):
Remember. I'll find it for you. You could put Monterey on older max. Do do, oh, trying

Mikah Sargent (01:55:47):
To open core legacy. That's open core. Thank you, Doug M in the chat.

Leo Laporte (01:55:49):
Thank you. Open core legacy patcher. It's on GitHub again, not supported by apple but I'm not willing to not recommend it because I I've see so many people using it and very happily using it with Monterey that I think it's fine. So if what your issue is, well, I wanna get the latest Mac O S on there. I know. Are they still doing security updates for a seven year old?

Mikah Sargent (01:56:13):

Leo Laporte (01:56:14):

Mikah Sargent (01:56:14):
Know if it goes back

Leo Laporte (01:56:15):
That far, see, this would be a way to get the security updates as well. So, which is

Mikah Sargent (01:56:19):
Really what

Leo Laporte (01:56:19):
I'm, that's the main thing. Yeah. we'll put a link in the show notes, tech guy It's from a GitHub page, Doria, D O R T a N I It's just, if you goo, if you Google open core legacy patcher you'll see you get, you'll get apples O over the air updates, you know, once you install it and it just tricks. I think it just tricks Mac OS to see a more recent Macintosh, you know, just says, no, no, I'm a kinda impressive that they can. I'm a 2019 IAC. I really am trust me and trust me. And apple goes, oh, well fine.

Mikah Sargent (01:56:57):
Okay. Not three kids in a suit or in a jacket. Yeah. Sitting on each other shoulder, they open core legacy,

Leo Laporte (01:57:05):
Patcher, patcher. Cause you're patching. You're patching it. And I have yet to see anybody complain about it. So I think, you

Mikah Sargent (01:57:12):
Know, I've used it myself personally.

Leo Laporte (01:57:13):
Yeah. We haven't used it, but we, but you know, we're spoiled. We always get the new max. That's true. So we don't we're

Mikah Sargent (01:57:19):
I just, I don't want to like completely go. This is fantastic. We can only speak from anecdotal

Leo Laporte (01:57:25):
Evidence. Yeah. Do says, you know, it'll give you even features like sidecar night shift, universal control stuff that

Mikah Sargent (01:57:31):
I would've used this back in the day. Yeah. Before I got new. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:57:35):
Yeah, yeah. Nothing. I mean, this is very frustrating because a 20, 50 iMac is not really out of date, frankly. And it runs beautifully. Yeah. Runs. It's a perfectly fine Mac and you got that great display. So it's a little frustrating to say, well, I gotta trash it cause I can't get the latest operating system. Hey, I appreciate the call. Mac Leo Laport mikes. I'm sorry. Herb, Leo Laport. Mike Sargent mic us, you know, <laugh>

Mikah Sargent (01:57:58):

Leo Laporte (01:57:58):
I'm not good with

Mikah Sargent (01:57:59):
This. Your tech guys

Leo Laporte (01:57:59):
Coming back after this

Mikah Sargent (01:58:00):
Leon Laport, Freddy you SAR. I don't

Leo Laporte (01:58:04):

Mikah Sargent (01:58:05):

Leo Laporte (01:58:06):
Terrible with names. They they took a lot of care, blood, sweat, and tears in their recording. And I remember in the early days of high fidelity, <laugh> I guess it's still today. You could buy extra special vinyl, right? Like 130 gram vinyl. And they put out a version of this album in that high quality final. And I bought, I think it was my first audio file purchase ever.

Mikah Sargent (01:58:33):
Wow. And

Leo Laporte (01:58:34):
It didn't sound any

Mikah Sargent (01:58:35):
Different. So I was gonna ask, are the grooves deeper? Like what what's the, the vinyls heavier change. So if the vinyl's heavier, what does that mean? More detail in the grooves?

Leo Laporte (01:58:43):
I don't

Mikah Sargent (01:58:44):
Know. Was it all just better? Kind of like a it's

Leo Laporte (01:58:47):
Just better. Mm.

Mikah Sargent (01:58:50):
Yeah. Sounds like an audio file thing. You say

Leo Laporte (01:58:52):
<Laugh> it's

Mikah Sargent (01:58:52):
Just better, man. I don't know. It just is.

Leo Laporte (01:58:55):
Do you have a turntable? Mm-Hmm <affirmative> I thought you might. Yeah. You seem like the kind of TWE, you know, millennial that might have a turntable it's

Mikah Sargent (01:59:02):
Cuz it has to say with my great grandpa. My

Leo Laporte (01:59:04):
Great, great grandpa. Oh, that's different. Huge. Oh, thats. Very different. Are they 70 eights?

Mikah Sargent (01:59:09):
Whatever this one is. Yeah. 40 fours. Yeah. Right. 40 fours. A

Leo Laporte (01:59:12):
Small no, no, no, no.

Mikah Sargent (01:59:12):
44 are the big ones.

Leo Laporte (01:59:13):
40 fives. 45, the little ones. 45 and 33 and a thirds are the big ones. Okay. And then in the really old times, when you said great grandfather, I realized you're so young, your great grandfather's my age. But in the really old times they had 78. They had spin really fast and they were Shelac. They

Mikah Sargent (01:59:29):
Were okay. Then it was,

Leo Laporte (01:59:30):

Mikah Sargent (01:59:31):
Bizarre that standard size. But yeah, he, I, I remember going over to his house and I would he had a bunch of blank tapes and so I would pick different albums out and put them onto the tape, put songs on the albums, onto the tapes. And

Leo Laporte (01:59:46):
Then what'd you do with the tapes?

Mikah Sargent (01:59:47):
I played them at home cuz I had a little play.

Leo Laporte (01:59:49):
Oh, play record. Oh yeah. So you were an early an early music

Mikah Sargent (01:59:53):

Leo Laporte (01:59:53):
Yeah. <Laugh> yeah. Back in the day before Napster. Now we go to mark in Los Angeles. Our next call. 88 88. Ask Leo. Hello, mark.

Caller 9 (02:00:05):
Hey, how you doing? Le Leo. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:00:07):
Leo and Micah. Welcome.

Caller 9 (02:00:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I have two questions. I might forget the other one, but anyway the Motorola, I have a older series, the five mm-hmm <affirmative> do they work off liquid batteries? Cause it's weird

Leo Laporte (02:00:25):
Liquid, no liquid. You have a Moto G five phone,

Mikah Sargent (02:00:29):
A bacterial battery.

Leo Laporte (02:00:30):
Is it a phone?

Caller 9 (02:00:31):
Yeah. What,

Leo Laporte (02:00:32):
What no liquid should be coming out of that phone.

Caller 9 (02:00:34):
No, no, no, not liquid coming out. It's like a compressed well like a pregnant, you know?

Leo Laporte (02:00:41):
Is it swelling?

Caller 9 (02:00:43):
Yes. Yes.

Leo Laporte (02:00:44):
That is very dangerous. And eventually I, if liquid does come out, that is highly toxic. So you D yes. Anytime a battery swells, these are lithium ion batteries. And as they get older or sometimes if they're overcharged or if they're poorly manufactured it can happen to anyone. It happened to apple. It has happened to, you know, many companies, they start to swell. The reason that's problematic is they're in a very tight case. And as they swell, if they, if, and this is why by the way, Samsung had to, had to recall all their, what was it? The galaxy note for? I can't remember their it's been so long exploding phone. Yeah. They had to recall 'em because they had made a, they wanted a bigger battery, but they didn't make the case bigger. So it was too tight. And if it expands too much, it can explode, burst into flame.

Leo Laporte (02:01:36):
Wow. Yes. So, okay. Yes. And that's because when the, when the lithium ion is exposed to oxygen, it go, it, it, it actually starts burning and can release chemicals that are very caustic. So you definitely want to get that outta your house. If you call the company, if you bought it from major carrier, at a carrier store and called them most of the time, they would say, oh my gosh, you know, bring it in, will replace it for free. So the G five's pretty old, but it, it's not so old that they might, you know, that's five years old now they might not because they don't want you to, they don't wanna cause a fire.

Caller 9 (02:02:14):
Yeah. I have two of them and one of 'em did it. And one of them, one of 'em

Leo Laporte (02:02:18):
Didn't yeah. And most phones don't do it, do it. But if one does, don't keep using it and don't keep charging it. The, you know, that's when you get in trouble, it's time to, you know, put it in a metal box. So if it does, you know, get, get what'll happen is they get hot. Then they burst their packaging. The cost liquor comes out and the lithium ion is exposed to oxygen and it starts to burn. And they're very hard to put out by the way, when they, when they what it was the note eight, when Samsung did the recall, I had a note eight. I didn't, I almost didn't want to give it up. I loved it when they did the recall, they sent us all special boxes. And on the side it said, you know, do not, do not, not to go in the air, you know? And they had special handling on this stuff because it was you know, so dangerous. So yeah, a box is Burke. Our, our, our guy, our expert in lithium ion, he's the guy who fixes stuff around here on one of our engineers says, get a, get sand, a box of sand, actually, apple.

Mikah Sargent (02:03:20):
I was gonna say, apple says to do that. Yeah. It that's one of the things they recommend having nearby when you were doing a battery replacement is a little container of sand that you put the phone, the battery down inside of to help snuff out the flames.

Leo Laporte (02:03:35):
Yeah. My note eight never did explode. Oh, wait a minute. There was note seven that exploded. Not the eight. Sorry about that. My seven never did explode. But I certainly took him up on the offer. Yeah. To take it, to take it back, cuz I didn't want to take that chance. It turns out maybe it wasn't quite as dangerous, but you just don't want it to ever happen. And if it does, it's, you know, it could burn a house down. Do you remember? When those hover boards were popular?

Mikah Sargent (02:04:05):
Oh my goodness. And they'd catch on fire,

Leo Laporte (02:04:07):
You know? Yeah. And they were made in China, made in China by, in some cases, less than honorable companies. And there were many fires from these hover boards. In fact, one of our friends are worked at our accountancy. She was, our accountant had a hover board just sitting in the hallway, burst into flames, B caused significant tens of thousands of dollars in damage. They whoa. Yeah. And that was here in Petaluma. So yeah, we had had a hover board. We immediately divested ourselves for that. Yeah. So the Samsung, this was 2016 at first Samsung said, well, and then they said, no, we're gonna do a recall. It came out August 19th. These note seven and they recalled it a month later. They were slow, but they eventually on the 2nd of October they said, you know what they had an informal recall.

Leo Laporte (02:05:04):
And then the formal recall was a couple of weeks later. And that's, you know, that's when I gave it up. I, you know, I can't remember one of our, one of our hosts parents wouldn't Hmm. She said, no, we love this phone. And I had to say, no, no, you must, you, yeah, you have to, it's just not worth it. And I think that after a lot of investigations it seemed to be the problem was they tried to put too much battery in too tight a case. And so even the slightest expansion of the battery, if there's no room for it to expand, can cause puncture of the enclosure and then eventually fire and you know, a rapid, an explosion is merely rapid ation, a very fast fire <laugh> mm-hmm <affirmative> so that's that's too bad cuz it was, it was a very nice camera.

Leo Laporte (02:05:57):
I now have a note in front of me. So note seven, that was what, what do we say? 2016 here we are six years later. This is a note 22. I think they wanted to leave the whole single digit thing well behind them. So nobody would remember that eighty eight, eighty eight ask Leo that's the phone number. So yes. Umm if you, if you or mark, if you have that, get, get it. If, you know, call a manufacturer, call the person who sold it to you, see if they'll take it back, see if they'll trade it in, which would be nice. But don't play with it and don't charge it, you know, just, and if, if you can, if you have a box of sand, put it in there. The problem with burning lithium ion is it makes its own oxygen. So this is why electric car fires are so prob prob problem such a problem for local file departments cuz they don't, you know, you can't smother it. Right? Oof. It'll just keep burning. And and the, and the factories that recycle these lithium ion batteries have frequent fires. It's a frequent problem. Alright. We're gonna take a break when we come back. Dick DeBartolo, MAD's mad writer <laugh> and our GWiz. He has been out and about seeking crazy gadgets. He has one for us. The GWI coming up in just a bit.

Leo Laporte (02:07:21):
Yeah, the shrimp's getting to me.

Mikah Sargent (02:07:22):
Oh boy. Oh no, no.

Leo Laporte (02:07:26):
We're actually going to a very fancy restaurant tonight

Mikah Sargent (02:07:29):
Where you headed

Leo Laporte (02:07:31):
The table. Cut your culture. Provisions the best restaurant in pet. Have you been there yet? So good. So good. We're going with re con five and his wife. Oh nice. Yeah. Should be a lot of fun. Turn the beat around. And what will you see right behind you? Dick de Bartolo disco, Dick MAD's mad writer and our gizmo wizard. Hello? Dickie D

Dick DeBartolo (02:07:59):
Leo. How you doing?

Leo Laporte (02:08:00):
Wonderful. How are you?

Dick DeBartolo (02:08:02):
I'm good. I just heard that menu is that boy that cafeteria in the brick house,

Leo Laporte (02:08:07):
It's actually an AMA. You put in a couple of quarters. Choose

Dick DeBartolo (02:08:10):
Your yeah. It's wonderful. Did

Leo Laporte (02:08:13):
Is the automatic gone?

Dick DeBartolo (02:08:14):
Is the oh

Leo Laporte (02:08:15):
Yes. The Automatic's gone.

Dick DeBartolo (02:08:17):
Oh, I was so annoyed because the, one of the leaders like Mr. Horn and Mr. Hard had said, don't worry, new Yorkers. There will always be an AMA. And then there wasn't

Leo Laporte (02:08:27):
Horn and hard dot that's right. Horn and hard art. That was the AMA. And the whole idea was you didn't see the kitchen. They were behind the wall and they would put food in little holes and then you'd put money in the slot and open the door. Oh yeah. And take your food out the little. Yeah. Yeah. I loved that.

Dick DeBartolo (02:08:46):

Leo Laporte (02:08:46):
Did I. Now we have something sort of like that here. It's called a sushi boat. You're a little river goes by you with little boats and on the boats or sushi. And when you take it, you save your plate and they charge you by the plate. Okay.

Dick DeBartolo (02:08:58):

Leo Laporte (02:08:58):

Dick DeBartolo (02:08:59):

Leo Laporte (02:08:59):
Oh my go. Okay. Yeah. It's a good way to do it. Mr. Dickey, Dee joins us not to talk about strange foods, but to in fact, enlighten us as to a gizmo or gadget he has seen recently.

Dick DeBartolo (02:09:09):
All right. So this you're gonna like it. Probably not gonna buy it, but you're gonna like it. Okay. So yesterday

Leo Laporte (02:09:13):
Don't be so sure I buy everything

Dick DeBartolo (02:09:16):
<Laugh> it would be funny if you bought, this was an event called day of play about new toys and the reason I know you're gonna like it because one year ago they introduced bumper. Cause for kids,

Leo Laporte (02:09:29):
I remember that you

Dick DeBartolo (02:09:31):
Said, you said this is going to be a big seller. Well, it made hottest 10 toys of 2021. So I went by and I said the founder or the CEO or a big rig there, John, I said, so, John, what do you have this year? And he said, remember, last year where people were trying to get in the little kid car. Yeah. I said, yeah. He said, well, we decided we would build an adult version.

Leo Laporte (02:09:59):
Okay. We're buying this for the studio.

Dick DeBartolo (02:10:02):
<Laugh> oh my God. Yeah. I, I put a little video of it and, and me in it in. Okay. So it, it has a weight limit of 200 pounds. Okay. Okay. And I call it the Excel because they found when they were testing it out that two kids could fit in it and they love it because each kid can have a joystick. There's the adult uses both joysticks as one, but the kids can control each one with their own joystick. So it's a 200 pound limit. It has L E D lights in the bottom that shine down on the floor.

Leo Laporte (02:10:41):
This is so cool. Could you drive this around town?

Dick DeBartolo (02:10:46):
No. <laugh> well, you know what? Maybe no, I tell you,

Leo Laporte (02:10:49):
Instead of my Zappy scooter, I think I'm gonna get a bumper car.

Dick DeBartolo (02:10:53):
I, I think the limit would <laugh> the limit would be battery. I, I said, John, on a full charge, he said on a full charge, it's 25 minutes. He said, but 25 minutes, a bumper car, it's

Leo Laporte (02:11:06):
More than enough.

Dick DeBartolo (02:11:07):
Enough for pretty much anybody. And, and of course you could just go by yourself a second battery stick

Leo Laporte (02:11:15):
It <laugh>

Dick DeBartolo (02:11:16):
This guy, this, he works for the company. And we were trying to hit each other head on which we did. It's really it's

Leo Laporte (02:11:23):
We get a seatbelt. I mean, it looks like, yeah,

Dick DeBartolo (02:11:26):
You get a seatbelt because you can see because I, a, our seatbelts are hanging out. You're

Leo Laporte (02:11:30):
Not using your seatbelt. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:11:31):
We're not using our

Leo Laporte (02:11:33):
Seatbelt. No helmets, no seat belts. But boy, this does look like so much fun. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:11:37):
They're gonna be $299 and they'll be John said they'll be available November 1st at Walmart.

Leo Laporte (02:11:46):

Dick DeBartolo (02:11:47):
And it, the company's fly bar. Do you remember? I think you,

Leo Laporte (02:11:51):
The Pogo

Dick DeBartolo (02:11:52):
Stick. Well when yes. Didn't you buy one for you and one for your son? For

Leo Laporte (02:11:56):
My, the

Dick DeBartolo (02:11:57):
Time. Yes. They didn't. They go

Leo Laporte (02:11:59):
Like, they were like, they would go really high. These Pogo sticks were crazy.

Dick DeBartolo (02:12:04):

Leo Laporte (02:12:05):
Do they still

Dick DeBartolo (02:12:05):
Make them? So they still make Pogo. They still make Pogo sticks, but they have gotten big into the bumper. Cause

Leo Laporte (02:12:12):
So basically they make toys for kids, death, defying toys for kids for like, if you don't like, if you don't mind, if your kid goes flying over the fence, this is for you. That kind of thing.

Dick DeBartolo (02:12:27):

Leo Laporte (02:12:28):
Wow. $190 for a Pogo. Well, that's the super Pogo too. That's just that yet that ain't 80 old Pogo stick. That's the one you can literally go flying over the fence. No,

Dick DeBartolo (02:12:36):
I think they, I think they have a new foam Pogo stick for like $15 or something for tots

Leo Laporte (02:12:43):
P. Oh good. Yes. Start for balance, I

Dick DeBartolo (02:12:45):
Guess. Yeah. And then they're refreshing the bumper cars for kids. One model has the spoiler in the back and era flag. I, I, I think they're gonna do really well. A lot of attention at the

Leo Laporte (02:13:01):
Next time you see 'em play event, tell 'em to bring back chemistry sets with plutonium radium. Okay. Gun powder, all that stuff. Cuz I think we need more kids toys, you know, just honor the kids more toxic kids stories, more toxic kids toys. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:13:18):
Well just get a note seven. Isn't that a

Leo Laporte (02:13:21):
<Laugh> very good. Dickie

Dick DeBartolo (02:13:24):
D as you

Leo Laporte (02:13:26):
Need. Yeah. Yeah. GIZ the website GZ w Iz dot B Iz If you click the blue button that says the GWiz visit is the tech guy. You'll find a link to this bumper car. It's cool. But you can also see all the things he's mentioned in the past. You can see all the stuff he shows on ABC's world news. Now there's a button for that. And of course there's a button for the, what the heck is it contest? I'm clicking it right now. Cause I wanna see what it is. This is the new September, October. Boy, I don't know. Maybe that's I don't know. What do you think that is? It looks like a time machine maybe. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (02:14:07):
You think? Yeah. Thinking an extra handle for your bumper car,

Dick DeBartolo (02:14:12):
<Laugh> sort of like slot it in.

Leo Laporte (02:14:14):
So here's why you care. That's good. There are 18 autograph copies of mad magazine available. Six for the correct answer up to 12 for the funniest wrong answer. Dick is the judge of this will be the judge of this. All you have to do is go to and click the what the heck is it? Button. And you have to the to Halloween the end of the month.

Dick DeBartolo (02:14:36):
Yeah. And you're playing for the December issue of mad, which is 70% new material. What

Leo Laporte (02:14:43):
Are they

Dick DeBartolo (02:14:43):
Crazy? It mocks Mads 70th year publishing. Wow.

Leo Laporte (02:14:52):

Dick DeBartolo (02:14:52):
Okay. So I have some stuff in there. I have pictures of Phil gain. Did

Leo Laporte (02:14:56):
They go to

Dick DeBartolo (02:14:57):
The old people have never seen old

Leo Laporte (02:14:58):
Guys and they give us

Dick DeBartolo (02:14:59):
Something new. Yes. They, they went to the core people. The I got three videos and yes, exactly. Exactly. That's

Leo Laporte (02:15:07):
Great. That's what they called themselves. I didn't make that up. Okay. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:15:10):
No, no, no. Usual gang that we are proud to be the usual gang of idiots. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:15:16):
That's a badge of honor. How many of the usual gang of idiots are still alive?

Dick DeBartolo (02:15:20):
Boy, I would say maybe a dozen.

Leo Laporte (02:15:24):
I think it actually makes you live longer. Who have been in that group cuz they're

Dick DeBartolo (02:15:29):
All. Oh, I think so. Yeah. Al Jackie turned a hundred, 101.

Leo Laporte (02:15:33):

Dick DeBartolo (02:15:34):
Yeah. And when I spoke to him, he said, Dick, if you hear of anything work wise, I don't wanna do any more mad stuff. If you hear of anything different, I'm going Al God bless you. You're not joking. Did he? He, no, I'm not.

Leo Laporte (02:15:47):
He didn't do a fold in for for this new. No,

Dick DeBartolo (02:15:51):
No, he didn't. I think they did like his best fold ins from the past 70 years.

Leo Laporte (02:15:55):
Oh man. Wow. He's a legend. He's a legend. Absolutely. as are you Dick de Bartolo, always, always such an honor to work with you. GI Any, did you sell out all of the good days in mad?

Dick DeBartolo (02:16:09):
Yeah, I did. Yes. Thank to you mainly. Thanks to you. I think I had four left and thanks to that. You plugging it. They're gone.

Leo Laporte (02:16:17):
I'm sorry. I feel bad for people who missed that. No, that's good. I warned you. There were count. You did you warned outta the bottom of the barrel so to speak? Yeah. Thank you.

Dick DeBartolo (02:16:26):
Dicky D <laugh> okay buddy. Say you next

Leo Laporte (02:16:28):
Week. He's got a great podcast to it. GI Well, Micah it's time to call it a day for yet. Another thrilling gripping edition of the tech duo. Haha. Duo.

Mikah Sargent (02:16:41):
Yes. I've gotta get off to an appointment in Santa Rosa to pick up my apple watch series eight.

Leo Laporte (02:16:46):
Oh, how exciting. Oh, it's how

Mikah Sargent (02:16:48):
Exciting. Hardly an

Leo Laporte (02:16:49):
Upgrade. Next week. I will have the ultra. Yes, you will. The watch for people who like to do dangerous things. Leo LA port, MikahSargent have a great geek week. We'll see you next time byebye. So you didn't feel like you needed the ultra. We would've bought it for you.

Mikah Sargent (02:17:12):
See, I didn't, I

Leo Laporte (02:17:13):
I was. You did. You didn't want us, you didn't want it. You see, this is why we would get it for you cuz you're thoughtful. <Laugh> anybody else would say? Yeah, I'll take two of each, but no. Mike is careful with our money. I

Mikah Sargent (02:17:26):
Do try

Leo Laporte (02:17:27):
To be. I appreciate, we appreciate that. Well, that's it for the tech eye show for today. Thank you so much for being here and don't forget twit T w I T it stands for this week at tech and you find, including the podcasts for this show. We talk about windows on windows, weekly, Macintosh on Mac break, weekly iPads, iPhones, apple watches on iOS today. Security and security. Now, I mean I can go on and on. And of course the big show every Sunday afternoon, this week in tech, you'll find it all at twit TV and I'll be back next week with another great tech guys show. Thanks for joining me. We'll see you next time.

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