The Tech Guy Episode 1921 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:13):
Hi, this is Leo Laporte and this is my tech guy podcast. This show originally aired on the premier networks on Saturday, August 27th, 2022. This is episode 1,921. Enjoy the tech guy podcast is brought to you by UserWay. Dot org UserWay is the world's number one accessibility solution. And it's committed to enabling the fundamental human right of digital accessibility for everyone. When you're ready to make your site compliant, deciding which solution to use is an easy choice to make. Go to for 30% off UserWays. AI powered accessibility solution and by Cachefly. Deliver your video on the network with the best throughput and global reach making your content infinitely. Scalable. Well, practically go live in hours. Not days. Learn more at Why? Hey, who are you laughing at? Well, Hey, Hey, it's time for the tech guy show. I thought I'd try something new, but I guess you don't like

Mikah Sargent (00:01:24):
It. It's it felt a little odd. <Laugh> I'll say that

Leo Laporte (00:01:31):
Leo Laport here, your tech guy, Mikah Sargent, your tech guy, you got double the tech guys. Double your fun on the tech guy show today. What do we talk about? What do we, what do we talk about computers? Oh yeah,

Mikah Sargent (00:01:42):
The internet. Oh yeah. Home theater.

Leo Laporte (00:01:44):
Oh, definitely. That

Mikah Sargent (00:01:45):
Smart wearables

Leo Laporte (00:01:46):
Smart wearables. Yeah,

Mikah Sargent (00:01:48):
Because it watches their rings.

Leo Laporte (00:01:49):
Oh, I was thinking more like diapers like this,

Mikah Sargent (00:01:51):
Like close. There are smart diapers.

Leo Laporte (00:01:53):
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. All

Mikah Sargent (00:01:54):
Right. How many times has baby done a Dodo?

Leo Laporte (00:01:57):
You're kidding.

Mikah Sargent (00:01:58):
I'm not kidding.

Leo Laporte (00:02:00):
Oh, my, you know, parents like to having been a parent I believe you don't really need <laugh> to, it's pretty

Mikah Sargent (00:02:08):
Obvious. I think hundreds of years of our history.

Leo Laporte (00:02:11):
Yeah. I think we know don't really need that. I think we know what baby's up to <laugh> but you know, maybe if you're not, maybe this is the new parenting where, you know, you give babies some space, man. <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (00:02:21):
Baby. You do

Leo Laporte (00:02:22):
Your thing. You do your thing over there. <Laugh> okay, fine. That's fine. Yeah, we'll talk about that. <Laugh> I guess <laugh>

Mikah Sargent (00:02:31):

Leo Laporte (00:02:33):
Micah is an expert in all things, iOS, apple windows. That's pretty much everything, I guess, on the internet.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:40):
I do my

Leo Laporte (00:02:41):
Best social you're reassuring me. Cause I'm scared. Instagram's been following me around. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:48):
Yeah. This is a, a new you might see this post pop up on Facebook or Instagram, which happened to be owned by the same company, meta where it says warning. Instagram is, is tracking your location with precise location. And there are a couple of memes that are going around. There are these text memes that you see, and it's just a text wall that's trying to spread fear and panic. And is

Leo Laporte (00:03:09):
It not true?

Mikah Sargent (00:03:10):
It is. Okay. So this is the thing, the, the delivery of it is inaccurate. It is true that there is a feature called precise location and that it is sort of the way that we've always done things in terms of location tracking on our mobile devices apple recently, well, actually not. So recently, iOS 14 introduced the ability to sort of cut back on how precise someone is able to track you. An app is able to track you, right? So they give you give the app a more general location,

Leo Laporte (00:03:43):
Which is basically cell tower instead of,

Mikah Sargent (00:03:46):
Yeah, exactly. And so this is now a feature where whenever you give an app, your location information, it says, do you wanna give it to your precise location? Right?

Leo Laporte (00:03:56):
Or just you get the choice. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:03:57):
You get the choice, but someone at some point misunderstood this. Oh. And thought that it meant that now Instagram was starting to use precise location, even though that's the way that it's been for years, the new version, it's nothing new. In other words. And they are claiming that it's helping criminals stalk you on Instagram.

Leo Laporte (00:04:17):
Well, does Instagram strip out the information in the photo about your location? Cuz you know, people sometimes will post photos that have their GPS COOs. So the corners where the like, I don't take pictures of my house for that reason.

Mikah Sargent (00:04:30):
Right. Well, so this is, this is the thing, it's a choice that you

Leo Laporte (00:04:33):
So that's also, but you know, that's in the photo too,

Mikah Sargent (00:04:36):
Right? Yeah. Yeah. The it's within the metadata. If you choose, you can go into Instagram setting and say don't, don't show that,

Leo Laporte (00:04:42):

Mikah Sargent (00:04:42):
That. Okay. And actually if you, if I were to go and download a photo from Instagram by doing my right click hacker magic and saving the photo. Yeah. It would not have that metadata in there. See, okay. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:04:52):
And when you post on Insta, cuz I'm a, you know, as you know, big Insta

Mikah Sargent (00:04:56):

Leo Laporte (00:04:56):
I'm not big with the kids. Yeah. You post on Insta, you can choose a location and usually I'll choose like generic, like I'm in

Mikah Sargent (00:05:02):
Petaluma, Petaluma. Yeah, exactly.

Leo Laporte (00:05:04):
Just to be best, to be safe. Does that override any additional information that's floating from

Mikah Sargent (00:05:10):
It? So it doesn't make a change to the photo. Everything that's built into the photo kind of gets stripped away because Instagram is processing that

Leo Laporte (00:05:17):
Photo way. They take it anyway. Yeah. You know, I mean, honestly I the other day I probably shouldn't say this on the air, but I I did one of those you know, they have sites where you can do background checks and I thought I should do background check on myself. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, you know, she would've been up to yeah. In case I did anything when I was, you know, sleep or something, <laugh> it knows not only where I lived today, but everywhere I've ever lived, every phone number I've ever had, all the people I've ever like had a relationship with new kids, everything it's like this thing. And as far as I know, I never went to jail Uhhuh <affirmative> okay. But they, they said I never went to jail. There's no liens, no tax liens. Yeah. I guess that's what you use that stuff for.

Leo Laporte (00:05:56):
But I was kind of stunned that in the public record, if you're a movie star, I, I looked into this. I thought, well, how would you prevent that? Cuz real estate transactions for instance are public record. Right? And if you're a movie star, it's a complicated process. You hire somebody, you form an LLC. You can't be a member of the LLC because that then becomes public information. And so they can tie the LLC to you, to your house. So you hire a guy or gal to be the LLCs sole member. You better trust that person, person was gonna say, they own your house.

Mikah Sargent (00:06:34):
Trust this person.

Leo Laporte (00:06:36):
You probably have a side agreement with them. If there are lawyers saying, Hey, you don't own this house. I own this house. But nevertheless, that's the length you have to go to. You can't own it if you own it outright.

Mikah Sargent (00:06:47):
So just don't buy a house is what you're saying. Never buy a Hills.

Leo Laporte (00:06:50):
Yeah. Well I was thinking, you know not that a lot of people showed my front door or anything, but I was thinking, what if I didn't want this to be in the it's in the public record, you know, really is. And anybody who's curious, there's lots of sites where you can look yourself up and see the horror. Hey, did you see did you listen to the three hour Joe Rogan interview with Marcus Zuckerberg? I, speaking of meta,

Mikah Sargent (00:07:13):
I, I did three hours. All I heard was that he was complaining that it's like he wakes up and gets punched in the stomach. He says

Leo Laporte (00:07:18):
Being, being the owner of meta is like getting up every morning and being punched in the stomach. He then clarified. Well, it's not, it's not, not that it's a bad thing. <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (00:07:29):
I love getting punched in the stomach. It's my

Leo Laporte (00:07:31):
Thank it's just that he wakes up and there's a lot of text messages that he, you know, emergencies. That's true of anybody. I imagine who's a big company or as a CEO there's a lot of emergencies. And as a result I have, I feel like I'm being punched in the stomach. I'd like a punch, you know, he's like one of the richest men in the world. I'd like that punch to take.

Mikah Sargent (00:07:56):
That's surprising to me. Would

Leo Laporte (00:07:58):
You be willing if you were, let's say I'd, I'd say, okay, you're now worth 50 billion. Okay. Would but, but every morning when you wake up, you have to feel like you were punched in the stomach. Would you take that offer?

Mikah Sargent (00:08:10):
I think, I, I think I'd like to believe I would, but man, would I be unhappy? I think,

Leo Laporte (00:08:15):
Yeah. That's not bad for him. Maybe he says I'm not unhappy. I just, that's how I feel.

Mikah Sargent (00:08:19):
Maybe it's more of a change in, in the sort of way that you interpret things you have that much

Leo Laporte (00:08:24):
Money. Maybe life becomes.

Mikah Sargent (00:08:25):

Leo Laporte (00:08:26):
I think it's, I think it's, I've always, I've find, I think when you have, when you're that rich, it isn't as fun as it sounds like.

Mikah Sargent (00:08:31):
Yeah. It's like on the Sims, if you use the cheats. Yeah. And then there, that takes a level of fun outta the game because suddenly you it's too easy. Just

Leo Laporte (00:08:38):
Do everything. God mode they call. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Mark is God mode. He also is has taken up mixed martial arts. He's punching other people for that way. <Laugh> in the stomach, which I think is compensation. I'm just saying there was, was some stuff about hunter Biden's laptop. Yeah. That people were a little upset that face the parent mark said the FBI called and said, Hey, can you, can you take those posts? Can you limit the exposure of the story? Cuz the election's coming up. Be aware of polarizing content. He said the FBI's legitimate institution. Well thank you mark. I'm glad to appreciate that.

Mikah Sargent (00:09:22):
I feel legitimate. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:09:24):
And the warning prompted him to take that seriously. However, the story was allowed to remain on Facebook, but with limited exposure, FBI says is provided companies with foreign thread indicators to help protect their platforms and customers, but it is not allowed to ask direct companies to take action on information received. And thank you mark for calling us a legitimate institution. We really, really appreciate now they didn't say that part. The FBI routinely notifies us private sector entities, including social media, priv providers, a potential threat information, but then it's up to them to decide what they're gonna do about it. Meta responded on Twitter, which is weird. I

Mikah Sargent (00:10:08):
Don't understand on Twitter. Yeah. Huh?

Leo Laporte (00:10:12):
That they, they tweeted. Cuz I guess they figured more people would see it if they tweeted. I don't know. The FBI shared general warnings about foreign interference, nothing specific about hunter Biden. So they confirmed, they, they said, yeah, the FBI that's what they said was right. So I think, I don't even think it was specifically about hunter Biden anyway Zuckerberg said we're gonna release a new virtual reality headset in October.

Mikah Sargent (00:10:42):
Yeah. Right around the corner. I wonder if October

Leo Laporte (00:10:44):
It'll have a few big features quote, including I and face tracking. So people's VR avatars can accurately mimic their facial expressions and users can feel as if their avatars looking directly at another person's social avatar. But it won't let you comment on the fact that they have no legs. It's not you can't, you can't, you can't say that. Not allowed.

Mikah Sargent (00:11:05):
They will let, they will just mute boo.

Leo Laporte (00:11:07):
<Laugh> can't look at his legs. Don't look at his legs. <Laugh> I'm making a joke because the horizon world that's, Facebook's creepy, really creepy virtual social environment. The people are walking around, but it's only from the waist up. The rest is there's nothing. There's nothing there, no legs or anything else below the waist.

Mikah Sargent (00:11:28):
Yeah. I think that they, they, at some point someone tried to explain why it was that way and it now escapes me. Oh it's because your car, well, and down the line, they want to be able to track your face and its emotions. And so they are sort of prioritizing the parts of the body that they want to actually have show up in the, in the virtual space versus your legs where they're not going to be tracking those so that the, you know yeah. Doing that movement and trying to get that right. Would just end up looking goofy, I guess, more goofy. They feel than just not having them there at all. <Laugh> yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:12:06):
There's three hours. So there's probably a lot more <laugh>. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:12:09):
Thank goodness for the folks who went and listened to it. <Laugh> and so missed it for us.

Leo Laporte (00:12:15):
Zuckerberg touched on algorithms and content moderation, according to CNN, as well as lighter topics like his morning routine and his family's love of jujitsu. According to Zuckerberg, jujitsu is a big part of who I am, which is hard without legs.

Mikah Sargent (00:12:31):
Yeah. That's

Leo Laporte (00:12:32):
True. Yeah. So he no jujitsu in horizon world

Mikah Sargent (00:12:36):
<Laugh> well only karate

Leo Laporte (00:12:38):
Chops. He gave up jogging for jujitsu that's must. He says you wanna know why he gave up jogging?

Mikah Sargent (00:12:44):
Oh wait, he actually did. I thought that was more of a joke about new

Leo Laporte (00:12:46):
Legs. He used to jog, but he said, the problem with running is you can think a lot,

Mikah Sargent (00:12:51):
Oh, apparently

Leo Laporte (00:12:52):
Not interest in thinking

Mikah Sargent (00:12:53):

Leo Laporte (00:12:53):
He doesn't want to think. That's what cuz he cuz getting punched in the stomach, he didn't wanna prolong that. So he switched to something in which he couldn't think that

Mikah Sargent (00:13:02):
Sounds like, you'd think that the, somebody who has that much money could pay for several therapists.

Leo Laporte (00:13:07):
I wake up in the morning actually. How does mark talk? I wake up in the morning, look at my phone. You get like a million messages of stuff that come in and it's usually not good people reserve the good stuff to tell me in person. So it's almost, I don't think he really talks like that. Does he? So it's almost like you wake up and you're punched in the stomach. So it's like, okay, now I need to go reset myself, reset myself, reset myself, and be able to be productive and not be stressed out about this. I used to run, but with running, as you think a lot, he likes surfing. He likes foiling. Remember that Instagram post from a 4th of July last year where he was riding a thing sort of weird, weird foil in the air with the American flag and zinc oxide over his face. So he looked like essentially a surfing mime, a surfing Patriot mime, eighty eight, eighty eight ask Leo's her phone number. That's a bad image. He had legs in that 180 8, 88. Ask Leo, if you want talk high tech, ask Leo and Micah, you could dial a full number if you want. We're gonna take your calls right after this.

Leo Laporte (00:14:31):
It's E L O hello on the telephone line. That's Kim Scheffer she's on the telephone line. Awaiting your call. She's what's on the other end of 88, 88. Ask Leo and Micah, which actually works. Oh yeah. You can dial all those numbers if you want. If you wanna take the time

Mikah Sargent (00:14:52):
Out in. Oh

Leo Laporte (00:14:53):
Yeah. We thought about that ahead of time when we got the number 20, 20 years ago, right. We thought, you know, someday there'll be a Micah. So let's get Micah was even born. It

Mikah Sargent (00:15:03):
Wasn't a twinkle in the eye.

Leo Laporte (00:15:05):
So this show I, at the end of the year, actually January 4th of next year, it will be will have been doing this show for 19 years. Wow. 19 years ago. What were you doing? Micah?

Mikah Sargent (00:15:17):

Leo Laporte (00:15:17):
Fourth grade.

Mikah Sargent (00:15:18):
I was toddling third

Leo Laporte (00:15:19):
Grade. You're in third.

Mikah Sargent (00:15:21):
Third. Okay. I guess. Yeah. A little

Leo Laporte (00:15:22):
Bit old. Third grade. Wow.

Mikah Sargent (00:15:25):
<Laugh> oh yeah. See. Wow. I had a moment there where I thought I was younger than I am, so I was

Leo Laporte (00:15:30):
Coming back. He was going backwards. Wow.

Mikah Sargent (00:15:32):

Leo Laporte (00:15:32):
Yes. You were merely a twinkle. So Kim mm-hmm <affirmative> did you have a good week? Yeah. How about you? Eh, overnight? I don't remember it though. I don't remember. I dunno. I don't know. I think it was good. It is all a blur. That's all a

Mikah Sargent (00:15:45):
Blur, a blur.

Leo Laporte (00:15:46):
I started making chicken soup last night, about 7:00 PM. That was a bad idea. That's that's a really bad idea. Yeah. I'm going isn't it. Wasn't done till 10. I'm going to bed. Lisa said your soup's still cooking <laugh> and I said, oh and I, I ran out there. Fortunately it was fine. I mean, you know it stock. So it takes a while to kind of cook down. And then this morning I kind of, I, I made the, some chicken to put in it and Dr. Mom's gonna send me some Moss of balls and we will have soup. Yay. Yeah. That's a project. You start more like seven in the morning. Yeah. <laugh> I know what was thinking. You wanted soup. You got, I wanted soup. I was in the mood. I had a chicken and a big pot and some water. I thought I'll make soup. Who should we start this show with? Let's go to Jane in Manhattan beach. Oh, I think you might be helping her spend some money soon. Oh, Ooh. Ooh. Thank you, Kim. You're welcome. Hello Jane Leo. Leport Mica Sergeant your tech guy too. Welcome to the show.

Caller 1 (00:16:45):
Thank you. Hi, Leo and Micah. Hi Jane. I remember a couple of Saturday ago that the topic was Mac mini. So this is an apple question.

Leo Laporte (00:16:59):
All right.

Caller 1 (00:17:00):
One. Okay. but I really want both your opinions. I believe at that time that Leo had said only get Mac mini with one terabyte, which I agree with getting the largest amount of memory there. And then Micah had had said, do not use Mac mini plus one terabyte external.

Leo Laporte (00:17:25):
Oh, I think what we were talking about is the Mac mini. By the way, you should probably know apple has an event coming up. It's official September 7th. They will not announce new Mac minis. Then they will announce new iPhone, apple watch new AirPods probably, but it's widely believed they will announce new Mac Macintosh computers, including perhaps an upgraded Mac mini in October. So that's data point number one, but we're referring to the M one ma the current Mac minie, the not the Intels, but the higher end Mac M one S and what we're AB I think we've observed and been told by others is the internal storage on M one computers, not Intel, but on M one, max is much faster than external storage, even with Thunderbolt four. So if you need, if you have a need for speed <laugh>, if you are the Tom cruise of computing, then it is a good idea to get as much internal storage. It doesn't have to be a terabyte, but as much as you're gonna need or you think you'll need, cuz that will be faster if you, I mean, it's okay to put data on an external slower drive. I've always done that with the Mac M doing it right now. Yeah. But the stuff that you wanna be fast video that you're editing photos and of course the applications in Mac OS should be internal. So a terabytes, a good size. You don't probably need

Mikah Sargent (00:18:44):
More. Yeah. Terabyte is exactly what I have on the Mac studio I have at home. And that's, it's fine. Yeah. But having external storage where you're just storing files, things like that. That's that that could be external. Yeah. Notice a difference. Yeah. It's just nice to not have to think about it. That's why I always say get as much storage as you can afford. Cuz then there's no management,

Leo Laporte (00:19:02):
But I, but I, I would reiterate Jane that you might just wanna wait if you can, another October month or so. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> cause I, the new Mac mini's rumored to have the M two chip might have a lot of new features and if not, the old ones will be cheaper. Leo and Micah, your tech guys. So we just, we had to break there Jane. Sorry, but we're still with you.

Caller 1 (00:19:26):
Oh, thank you. Good. I appreciate,

Leo Laporte (00:19:29):
I know cuz you only got the first part of your question out, but yeah.

Caller 1 (00:19:32):
Yeah. at the moment financially, it it's a cost savings to get the Mac mini plus a sand desk, one terabyte external. And I, you could

Leo Laporte (00:19:45):
Get, I mean, honestly it would be fine to get 2 56 or five 12 internally. It's just about speed. So unless, I mean, what are, you're probably not doing anything you need a lot of speed are or what are you doing with your computer?

Caller 1 (00:19:58):
Oh right. I'm mostly doing documents, some photos, et cetera. And I can get the five 12, but my I'm transferring from my older iMac to this one and I've used almost by 12.

Leo Laporte (00:20:17):
Ah, but that, that means you would have to get another drive an external drive for the Mac, many the thing, I think what we were, what we're saying really is just, it's good to know that the internal storage is significantly faster than any, any external storage. So that doesn't mean that you have to get it <laugh> it just means if, if you have an urge, if you need a lot of speed, let me look at the prices for the Mac mini. So the, the base model 6 99 comes with 2 56. Obviously that's not gonna work for you to transfer everything you've got over. You'd have to get right. You'd have to get an external drive. And then you'd also have to probably most of what's on that five 12 though, is data not programs and Mac O S almost. Certainly not.

Mikah Sargent (00:21:03):
Yeah, probably your photos. If you've got them downloaded entirely and you're not using iCloud photo library, other documents that you've created over time.

Leo Laporte (00:21:10):
That's what's huge. Yeah. So what I would suggest it budgets, you know, cuz it's 200 bucks more to get five 12, and it's even more to get more than five 12. So get the 2 56. That's what I have right in front of me right now and set it up. Don't copy everything over. Just set it up with the Mac O S and your applications. There's a, when you first get the new computer, it says you want to copy from the old computer and you say yes, and then it shows you all the stuff. Just check the box that says apps, leave the other boxes unchecked. So that will leave you plenty of room on 2 56, and then you will have to buy an external drive, but they're not expensive. They're under a hundred bucks for an external terabyte. And copy that date over. That'll be nice, cuz then you'll have much more room than you you'll have double the space of your old system more than double.

Caller 1 (00:22:05):
And I'd still get quote the speed with

Leo Laporte (00:22:09):
How the speed really is important for the operating system and the apps

Mikah Sargent (00:22:13):
Absolutely. That they're reading right there from it. And I've included a link. It'll be on the website, tech guy, that talks all about migration assistance. So good. I'll be able to see, oh, this is what I'm supposed to do. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:22:26):
Cause you'll have to then manually copy everything else that, that basically your home folder onto the external drive, you're gonna put everything, but the home folder on your, on your internal drive, it's a little more complicated actually. It's kind of advanced because you want the home folder on the internal drive, but you wanted to refer to stuff that's on the external drive. You could do that with aliases. If you want apple, the Mac will handle that. Okay. It's probably not ideal to put the home folder. You can tell apple, oh, you know, you have to do some advanced stuff. Yeah. That

Mikah Sargent (00:23:04):
Gets a little

Leo Laporte (00:23:05):
Complicated. You could tell it that your home folders in the external drive, but I've been told by a number of people that's actually problematic because some apps assume that it's on the internal drive.

Mikah Sargent (00:23:12):
Luckily you can, it again, the migration assistant actually lets you break it down so you can sort of choose to have your user account put on there and then you just deselect some of those things. So you would deselect. Oh you can. That's

Leo Laporte (00:23:28):
An example. Okay. That's good. So there's a lot of granularity.

Mikah Sargent (00:23:31):
Yeah. Migration. Assistant's gotten a lot better.

Leo Laporte (00:23:32):
Jane, call us when you get it. And we'll talk again and we can walk you through this and I have to break because Scott Wilkinson's here. It's time for that home theater geek himself. Mr. Scott Wilkinson. He is he is a well, besides being an expert in all things, big screen TV and surround sound. He is a podcaster. His show sponsored by the AVS forum is at forum. In fact, I heard you had a, somebody, a little bird said you had a wonderful show last week.

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:05):
Well thank you. Yes. Yes we did. The guest was John Carin. Who's the CEO and co-founder of light field lab.

Leo Laporte (00:24:15):
Oh we were talking about this years ago. A year ago.

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:18):
Well months, months ago,

Leo Laporte (00:24:19):

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:21):
Ages ago, time flies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He he, this company is doing a remarkable thing, making true holographic displays and you know, 3d has come and gone and the glasses are stupid and all that stuff. <Laugh> you, you know this so well, <laugh>,

Leo Laporte (00:24:41):
I've, I've been saying it since day one.

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:44):
Exactly. And you're right, it's it, it, you know, it's not true 3d, it's fake 3d, but holography is true 3d. Now normally we think of holograms as being based on lasers. You have to use lasers to make them, but you don't. And light field lab actually has a flat panel display that recreates exactly how light behaves in the 3d world. As we're out in the world, looking, looking at stuff light from the sun, hits it, or maybe there's a light source. It reflects off of plants and cars and people and whatever, and comes into our eye. And it comes in really from all different directions and that this is what glasses based 3d can't do. It's basically presenting each eye with a 2d image, but with true holography, which light field lab is doing, it recreates the light beams coming from all different directions, just as it does in real life. And so as you move around a holographic object you can see different sides of it. And it looks exactly like it, it did in real life. So we had a wonderful discussion hour long discussion explaining exactly how that works. And I was so happy to see a number of, of our own chat rumors in there. And

Leo Laporte (00:26:15):
So how does it, does it work well? I mean you've

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:17):
Oh yeah. I've seen it.

Leo Laporte (00:26:18):
It's kind of a limited, I mean the demo is in a limited environment, right? You,

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:23):
Well, they're in their early stages of development. Yes. But there's a there, their demo is a, is a chameleon.

Leo Laporte (00:26:31):
I love how these technologies go from early stages of development to the dust bin so quickly, but okay. Okay. I'll I'll give, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt,

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:42):
But not every single time.

Leo Laporte (00:26:44):

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:44):
It's true. There are some technologies that go from early development to wow.

Leo Laporte (00:26:49):

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:50):

Leo Laporte (00:26:50):
I'm trying to remember, but okay. Yeah. I'm sure that's

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:53):
Happened. There must be. It has happened. It has to have, do

Leo Laporte (00:26:56):
You don't have to wear glasses for this? No, no. But tell me, so you've seen the communion I have, do you have to sit in a special seat?

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:04):
No, you can be

Leo Laporte (00:27:06):
Anywhere, anywhere in the room, in the room. Okay.

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:10):
Anywhere you, anywhere you want and you walk around it and, and it actually occludes physical objects behind it. That is it. There's enough light there that if there's something behind it, it blocks it. You can't see

Leo Laporte (00:27:25):
It. Does it look a little ghost like, or is it pretty solid?

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:28):
No, it's very solid.

Leo Laporte (00:27:29):
Wow. Okay.

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:30):
It's very

Leo Laporte (00:27:30):
Solid. And how, and tell me how, what's the process of making this hologram?

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:34):
Well, it's pretty complicated. You have a bunch of light sources that go through a bunch of processing and then through a very complex optical layer that has a lot of what are called nano lenses, tiny, tiny, tiny little lenses that shoot the light Ray in the appropriate direction.

Leo Laporte (00:28:00):
So do they think this will be a technology like you'll have in your home or you'll have in a theater or will just be for specialized applications?

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:08):
Well, they, they've got a whole rollout strategy and it's gonna start with commercial applications like as in

Leo Laporte (00:28:19):

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:20):
Advertisements. Oh, telepresence. Okay. Telepresence. Yeah. Google

Leo Laporte (00:28:25):
Was tabletop off something like that. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so you're, there's your zoom call would be more realistic tabletop. Yeah. So I could have princess Lea standing on my table top going we one Kenobi,

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:36):
We talked about the princess Lea effect and what's interesting is that could happen. That could have happened. You remember it was Luke and OB one and R two D two throwing the, the light onto a onto the floor, essentially

Leo Laporte (00:28:49):
Who forget.

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:50):
Yes. Who could forget? Yes. If that, if the light source had been the table that actually could happen, it, it couldn't happen by R two D two throwing the light from a lens because you can't stop photons. That's basically what, what it was, it was physically impossible. Creating an image while stopping the photons in midair. But if the light source, if the image source had been the table shooting upward, you could actually see it. Hmm. So this was very interesting.

Leo Laporte (00:29:25):
It's obviously it's early days and you know, it's very early. I shouldn't be skeptical. <Laugh> you know, you just had, you've just had some disappointment I've in the past, I've been hurt in the past.

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:34):
You've been hurt in the past and you wanna be careful. You wanna protect. Heart's

Leo Laporte (00:29:37):
Been broken. I, I have a Panasonic VE in my house that behind it has two pairs of USB connected 3d glasses. <Laugh> with about an inch of dust. I was gonna say, they must on them. Never, never used, you know? Yeah. And every once in a while the TV says, do you wanna watch this in 3d? And I say, no, you say heavens. No. I say, heavens stab Betsy. Say, first of all, it's not 3d. You're just confused.

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:05):
<Laugh> that's right. That's right. This is the real

Leo Laporte (00:30:07):
Deal. This is the real deal.

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:09):
If you ever get a chance, I really will come all the way down to San Jose.

Leo Laporte (00:30:14):
You I'm gonna send Micah,

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:15):
You send Micah, I'd be happy to meet him there. And I can set it up.

Leo Laporte (00:30:19):
As it turns out, he's gonna be down there. Cuz he got an invitation to Apple's event next door. Oh man. As it turns out, he might be that in that area. So maybe you can,

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:27):
Well, if that's the case, maybe we'll set something up two step.

Mikah Sargent (00:30:30):
We we'll we'll we'll chat after the show.

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:32):
<Laugh> okay. Very good.

Leo Laporte (00:30:33):
Very good. So this is cool. I mean, it's not something you're gonna see. What's their timeframe. Do you think?

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:38):
Oh, probably in, for a home theater thing at least five years. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:30:44):
And, but that's it's way too early to speculate on cost, right?

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:48):
Oh yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:30:49):
Oh yeah. We don't know.

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:50):
Definitely. Yeah. We don't know.

Leo Laporte (00:30:52):
They didn't say anything.

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:54):
No, no, no. You don't at this stage of the game. Yeah. In any event,

Leo Laporte (00:30:58):
Do they have a lot of funding? Who's who's bond.

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:01):
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. They got a lot of funding. I don't know. Who's be, I don't know who has provided the funding venture capitalists. Some but some venture capitalists somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. They got a lot of funding. Good, good. And so there

Leo Laporte (00:31:11):
What's intriguing, isn't it?

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:13):
Yeah. It's very intriguing.

Leo Laporte (00:31:15):
You and I have been talking for years about 3d mm-hmm <affirmative> you know, the whole history of the development of displays is to make it more and more like real life and correct up to now that's been higher resolutions. So it's, it's approaching the resolution and it's been higher quality lighting. So that it's approaching the, the, the, you know, the, the bandwidth of the eye in terms of brightness and darkness. Yeah, the <affirmative>. Yep. But one thing is still missing. Although I have to say, when you get to really high quality, eight K with HDR, it feels 3d. It

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:54):
Feels, it, it has a depth to it a bit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's true. But

Leo Laporte (00:31:58):
That's the one thing, you know, li well is the world. We look at 3d. I mean, we kind of, it is.

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:04):
Oh, absolutely.

Mikah Sargent (00:32:05):
That's a good point though, because it's

Leo Laporte (00:32:07):
Sort of, there's nothing you can't simulate in 2d. Yeah. Like moving my head. I know that, you know, cuz of perspective.

Mikah Sargent (00:32:14):
Yeah. What is 3d?

Leo Laporte (00:32:15):
What is 3d? <Laugh> you've got 30 seconds.

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:19):
<Laugh> I got 30 seconds. What is 3d? Well, again, it is light coming at you from many different directions as

Leo Laporte (00:32:27):
In the real world.

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:28):
Two eyes.

Leo Laporte (00:32:29):
Yeah. Yeah. As in the real world,

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:31):
You know, it's like 3d sound sound is coming at you from all different directions. It hits your two ears. Good. And the, your brain sorts it out and says, oh, the sound is coming from over there. Your brain sorts, the visual out and says, oh, the, the light's coming from over there.

Leo Laporte (00:32:46):
You did that in less than 30 seconds. I'm impressed. Now <laugh> tell us what love is. And you've got, oh, sorry. We're out of time. Too late. Scott Wilkinson home theater geek, Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:05):
You're an iron,

Leo Laporte (00:33:06):
This infinite universes. Alright. You want to talk to the peeps or do you gotta get going here?

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:14):
No, no, I'm I I'm home. I'm ready to talk.

Leo Laporte (00:33:16):
I'm home. He says home home is where the hot is.

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:21):
Yep. I am going back out in September. I, I won't miss a show, but Harmon has invited some journalists down to LA to see their latest and greatest. Nice. So I'm gonna be doing that. Good. And I did wanna mention, I'll mention to the peeps here in the chat room and on, on the stream that I just posted a home theater the month.

Leo Laporte (00:33:45):
Oh, fun. Fun. It's

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:46):
A really, really good

Leo Laporte (00:33:47):
One. Fun, fun.

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:49):
And what's cool about it is it's it's almost exactly the way I would do it. See it look. And it's the,

Leo Laporte (00:33:55):
This is like in the, in with the communion. See, it's floating around. <Laugh> play on the chameleon. Yeah. Let's play the chameleon. Bring in the time. And now watch as the time goes through,

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:12):
Floats around the chameleon. Woo.

Leo Laporte (00:34:15):
See, it's including the chameleon. <Laugh>

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:18):
Now, now look, you know, that chameleon is completely holographic, but it is occluding actual objects behind it. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:34:27):
But it's kind of sparkly. It's not like

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:29):
It's okay. So it's a little sparkly. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:34:32):
It's not quite the resolution of the rest of the world. It looks like kind of princess later. I mean, it looks like it's kind of

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:42):
Artificial. Yeah. Well, yeah. But whereas a 4k TV has 8 million pixels and an eight K TV has 33 million pixels. Yeah. Cammi has several billion, like 10 billion.

Leo Laporte (00:34:58):
Yeah. That's kind of amazing.

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:59):
Yeah. And that's just, that's just one little thing coming from one little panel. And then ultimately you can scale that because the panel is tiltable so you can just put a bunch of them together and make a wall size display. Wow. For $30 billion.

Leo Laporte (00:35:17):
Well, yeah,

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:20):

Leo Laporte (00:35:20):
Which will come first micro L E D or 3d.

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:25):
Oh, micro L E D will come first. Cuz it's already here.

Leo Laporte (00:35:28):

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:29):
Yeah. You, you can buy a micro L E D display today. Right. And you, you know, you spend close to a million bucks on it. Right. And it's 2d. Right. But it's, it's wonderful. It's incredible. That's gonna be the next thing. Yeah. AF after QD O

Leo Laporte (00:35:45):
Did they, have they solved the issue with the borders? Cuz I remember the tile borders, it was problematic.

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:53):
Really did. Well, it de in some cases you can see those borders with some lighting or some imagery, like for example, space scenes, dark space

Leo Laporte (00:36:05):
Scenes. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:06):
Yeah. You can sometimes see those borders.

Leo Laporte (00:36:08):

Leo Laporte (00:36:09):
But it's not bad.

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:10):
It's not bad. Okay. It's not bad. And some are better than others. Right. 

Leo Laporte (00:36:15):
I figured I'm not gonna L E D I'm not gonna get a big screen until such time,

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:21):
Such time as it

Leo Laporte (00:36:22):
Becomes. I can have it in my, to replace the,

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:26):
To replace. I sense. Yes. The next, by speaking of which the next podcast, which is September 6th is going to be some of the people from the UST shootout, which I spoke about last time I was on the show. Yes. We'll we'll get deep. We'll get deep into that

Leo Laporte (00:36:43):
Deep man. Deep man. Good. Do you wanna stay for the top of the

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:49):
Hour? Happy to do so.

Leo Laporte (00:36:50):
Oh, aren't you nice. Aren't you kind,

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:53):
I'm always happy to do so when I can. Yes. Thank you, Scott. Yes. You bet.

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Mikah Sargent (00:40:36):
Just, yeah. You think they, they might've to have to some special

Leo Laporte (00:40:38):
Yeah. Maybe some chapstick chap

Mikah Sargent (00:40:39):
Stick on. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:40:40):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so I, I kind of leaked it. I guess I might as well refer to it Apple's event September 7th. They sent out an invitation that looked like, I don't know. I said far out, far out it showed stars

Mikah Sargent (00:40:57):
Night galaxy.

Leo Laporte (00:40:58):
Yeah. I don't know. Cuz of course I didn't get one, but you got one. I'm glad to see that.

Mikah Sargent (00:41:02):
It, it was yeah, it was a little shocked. I,

Leo Laporte (00:41:06):
Did you get it in your email or did they did a courier deliver it to your door?

Mikah Sargent (00:41:09):
Yeah. Someone knocked on my door. They, they whistled a little tune and then they gave no it was actually a, a, a somebody else who covers apple was saying, oh, the event announcement is out. And I was used to getting the one in my email that says like, oh, tune in to

Leo Laporte (00:41:25):
The live show. Don't you wish you could watch this in person, right? No.

Mikah Sargent (00:41:28):
And so I just read,

Leo Laporte (00:41:29):
I didn't even get that by the way. I just wanna point out, oh, I got nothing.

Mikah Sargent (00:41:32):
Maybe they didn't do do that this time.

Leo Laporte (00:41:33):
I've been searching my email for Lauren Lee

Mikah Sargent (00:41:36):
<Laugh> oh, for the last

Leo Laporte (00:41:39):
Four, five days. Just it's okay. You know, honestly, I would stay here anyway, cuz we have to, we have to do our snarky thing. Yeah, yeah. But I'm gonna, I'm gonna have you go down, you know, why it's good to go down? Well, a couple of reasons, first of all, I thought it was very interesting. The invite said at the Steve jobs theater.

Mikah Sargent (00:41:57):

Leo Laporte (00:41:58):
Yeah. So indoors as opposed to their last event, which was held outside mm-hmm

Mikah Sargent (00:42:03):
<Affirmative> they're doing some interesting. They're doing some COVID stuff. I've gotta be tested. I think up

Leo Laporte (00:42:10):
Three. Oh, they told you

Mikah Sargent (00:42:12):
Up to three days

Leo Laporte (00:42:12):
Before you gotta be test negative.

Mikah Sargent (00:42:14):
Prove that I'm negative. So

Leo Laporte (00:42:15):
You have to have a letter from the, from your principle and,

Mikah Sargent (00:42:18):
And they're working with, you know, a company to do all of the behind the scenes stuff there. Good.

Leo Laporte (00:42:22):
There's a big gap by the way. I just wanna point out 72 hours. It easy to catch COVID I know, right after that test three days later, give it to everybody at the event. So yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:42:34):
I'm, I'm planning on doing time test the day of the exact time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just to, to be safe and I, I don't know. I that's all I know about that. I don't know if they want, you know, tests from your doctor versus at home tests or how that all works. So there's a, I won't find that out

Leo Laporte (00:42:47):
Until close for the cruise. We, you do a proctored test. So you get on a, a, like a zoom call and they watch you stick the thing up your nose and then, and then they say, okay, fine. Put the test where we can see it.

Mikah Sargent (00:43:01):
Oh wow. So they just

Leo Laporte (00:43:02):
Watch it the whole time. And well, they re what they, they go away, but they record. So you're using your phone and they record the 15 minutes and then they can scan through it to see if you touched it, changed it to anything at the end. And then you show them where the result and then you get, you get an official email or

Mikah Sargent (00:43:18):
Something. Interesting.

Leo Laporte (00:43:19):
So Apple's gonna announce we pretty sure the iPhone 14, they don't say ahead of time.

Mikah Sargent (00:43:24):
No, no.

Leo Laporte (00:43:25):
I had some, I had some interesting thoughts because one of the stories this week and we'll get to the phones again and I'm sorry, I just, I thought we should talk about this is that T-Mobile is gonna start using SpaceX star link for a satellite to cell phone connection sometime next year. And there's been this rumor for some time that apple would put a satellite connection into its phone. So when I saw this space picture and I saw the title far out, I, well, I thought, I wonder if they're indicating subtly that maybe they'll be satellite connectivity in the phone this year.

Mikah Sargent (00:44:03):
Yeah. That's that's one of the things another was that they would have improved night photography. Yeah. 

Leo Laporte (00:44:10):
Although I have to say, now that I'm looking at the video that apple sent out, it could also be that they've invented a new kind of fizzy tablet that looks like an apple that you drop in water,

Mikah Sargent (00:44:21):

Leo Laporte (00:44:22):
Tablet. Yeah. An effervescent. It could be just like the new Pepto BI. I don't know it's I mean, cuz it's, it could be stars, but it also could be bubbles. I'm just saying

Mikah Sargent (00:44:31):
Yeah. I, the sort of reading into the, the, invite's always a lot of fun. Yes. but I, I don't know. I, I will have to see

Leo Laporte (00:44:39):
How much of it is talking. I'm thrilled that you're gonna go and at the event, not only do you get to be in the Steve jobs theater, which is, you know, each seat is $14,000, so be gentle. Okay. I will do my best please. But you get to test out the equipment afterwards. They have a demo room.

Mikah Sargent (00:44:53):

Leo Laporte (00:44:54):
The big thing. And of course that's where you will learn if it's as bad, a fingerprint magnet as your,

Mikah Sargent (00:45:00):
As your pad.

Leo Laporte (00:45:00):
Oh my word Mac. The

Mikah Sargent (00:45:02):
Patina of fingerprints. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:45:04):
Yeah. YouTube star mark has Brownley noted that at the demo thing. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:45:09):

Leo Laporte (00:45:10):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I expect you to report back.

Mikah Sargent (00:45:13):
I will do my best to find the fingerprint magnet of the phones. We don't know what colors they'll be. That kind of thing. Yeah. And get a chance to, to chat with the folks and ask them questions.

Leo Laporte (00:45:21):
So, so that is coming up a week from Tuesday and that following Saturday, two weeks from today, Micah will have the hands on for whatever apple announces. That's pretty exciting. Back to the phones. We go here. Alan in semi valley, California, did you get an invitation, Alan? Because I think everybody, but me got an

Caller 2 (00:45:42):
Invitation. No, no, no. Oh good. But I don't, but other than my phone, I don't own any apple equipment.

Leo Laporte (00:45:49):
Oh, interesting. Apple's always thought, well, once you get the phone we got, but no, no, no, no. Alan is no fool. What, what can we do for you, Alan?

Caller 2 (00:46:01):
Well, I bought a new computer. Yes. Dell. Yes. And with windows 11 and I have spent days trying to stop these popups telling me, let's get you set up and ready to use Microsoft teams. <Laugh> and the one thing I found that word in any way was to totally wipe out all cookies. And then these seem, these popups seemed to have stopped, but then various things like Chrome says, oh, well you can't log in without, without cookies.

Leo Laporte (00:46:39):
Oh you're so you're so outta luck. <Laugh> and then believe me, if you're using Chrome Microsoft's gonna nudge you every single time saying, you know, edge is a better browser. Edge is a better browser. Edge is a better browser. Would you like to install edge? It's a better browser. Microsoft has gotten to be nudgy nudge is a good word. Very nudgy. So what does he do? Micah, is there any way to,

Mikah Sargent (00:47:00):
I haven't gotten as many as this,

Leo Laporte (00:47:02):
I think at some point <laugh>, first of all, one thing you could do is uninstall teams. I think if you do that, it probably could. Well, I did that and it still, and they still urge you

Caller 2 (00:47:12):
And it still, it still comes up like, like right now on the screen, it's it. It's saying start a quick call just by sharing a link. Let's get you set up. Ready to use Microsoft team. All right. Leave

Leo Laporte (00:47:24):
That up there. You're looking at that right now.

Caller 2 (00:47:26):
Yes I am.

Leo Laporte (00:47:27):
Okay. So, and Microsoft does this, some has done this before with a dark, what we call dark patterns. So the big obvious button is okay. Let's go, right? Yeah. Are there any other buttons or even text that you could click on that screen?

Caller 2 (00:47:43):
Well, certainly up on the there's no X in the, there there's

Leo Laporte (00:47:46):
No X. Right. Okay. Okay.

Caller 2 (00:47:47):
And the only button I see is the one that says continue.

Leo Laporte (00:47:51):
There's nothing else. There's no, there's no like in fine print at the bottom. No, I never wanna see this again. Go away. Anything like that?

Caller 2 (00:47:59):
Nothing like that.

Leo Laporte (00:48:01):
Oh, that is, that is offensive.

Caller 2 (00:48:03):
Well, it is. I'm I'm, I'm sort of sitting here thinking, oh, well I guess I'm going back to windows 10 for

Leo Laporte (00:48:09):
No. Yeah. I mean, I have windows 11 and I no longer see that. I can't remember what I did. I might have just said, I just might, there must be

Mikah Sargent (00:48:17):
Setting called get tips, tricks and suggestions. Ah, turn that off as you use windows. Yeah. If you turn that setting off called get tips, tricks and suggestions, it seems to be you launch the settings app. You go into notifications and actions and deep underneath the notifications area. There is a setting that says get tips, tricks and suggestions. As you use windows, if you UN toggle that, then it should stop teams from being suggested at something.

Leo Laporte (00:48:48):
And, and incidentally, while you're doing that, <laugh> yeah. You might wanna remove ads <laugh> as well. Oh yeah. <Laugh>

Caller 2 (00:48:56):
I, I had, I thought I had done that, but I've been bouncing around so much that, you know, it, it, it gets

Leo Laporte (00:49:04):
So you could turn off personalize your lock screen cuz that's another, get fun facts, tips, tricks, and more on your lock screen. Oh my Lord. So just doing what you said, Micah, I think still leaves it on the lock screen. So you have to go into personalization and lock screen and uncheck the, get the fun facts, tips, tricks, and more on your lock screen. You can also in the start menu, remove ads. I tell you what, let's put a big long article for windows central on how to turn off as many of these as possible. Cause I find this extraordinarily annoying Leo and Micah, your tech guys, more calls right after this. So annoying and you know, windows, ten's gonna do it too. It going back to windows 10 in the long run, probably won't make a difference. This is, this is the new Microsoft. A, this is just, this is just what they want to do. The worst thing that they started doing, we were talking about this on windows. Weekly is there's ads in outlook, but now they're making the ads look like email.

Mikah Sargent (00:50:05):
Oh no, sort of native advertising. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:50:08):
Horrible, horrible.

Mikah Sargent (00:50:11):
Where's this window central.

Leo Laporte (00:50:12):
So I'm gonna paste this in. I'm just opening up chat now. I dunno why it was, I had it open. It must have closed it back. So,

Caller 2 (00:50:19):
So where you said you were gonna post an article, where would I look for that?

Leo Laporte (00:50:23):
Tech guy I'm posted the wrong link though. Sorry, I'm gonna click that again. It, This is episode 1921. There will be links there from the shows and definitely dis disabling the ads, disabling the tips, tricks and features disable. All you can kind of is the rule. Yeah, yeah,

Caller 2 (00:50:49):
Yeah. Yeah. I kind of went through and tried to unfortunately

Mikah Sargent (00:50:53):
They've got them in so many places. It could be that a few of those got,

Leo Laporte (00:50:56):
Well, that's what I thought was interesting. Cause so you talked about how to remove that tip tricks and help boy features, but it didn't get rid of it on the lock screen. That's a separate setting cuz you know, they, they really want you to have to do this in. I'd rather you keep it on <laugh> they'd much, much prefer. Yeah. It's very frustrating. I, I I, it's not like they're not making any money. I don't. Oh yeah. I don't understand the, the need for this. You know, we bought the, you got us. We bought it. We're using it.

Caller 2 (00:51:26):
Yeah. Oh dear.

Leo Laporte (00:51:29):
Anyway. Okay. Thank you, Alan.

Caller 2 (00:51:32):
Okay. are you, do you have time for a wow from me?

Leo Laporte (00:51:36):
Yes. Gimme a wow.

Caller 2 (00:51:38):
Okay. local public library in thousand Oaks is slowly disposing of their CD collection. Oh wow.

Leo Laporte (00:51:47):

Caller 2 (00:51:48):
I picked up a, a great record with stuff going back to 19 49, 19 50. And it says on it how, and it says on it that these recordings were, you know, enhanced using the theater system and it's brilliant. Like it really sounds so. What's

Leo Laporte (00:52:07):
The feeder. Do you know what that is? Scott? Have you heard of that? The feeder? No. How, how well how's it spelled? F E E D E R?

Caller 2 (00:52:15):
No, Cedar, C E D a R like the tree Cedar.

Scott Wilkinson (00:52:19):
Oh yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:52:20):
You know that

Scott Wilkinson (00:52:21):
Audio rest. That's an audio restoration program. I've heard of

Caller 2 (00:52:23):
That. That's right. That's

Leo Laporte (00:52:24):
Right. And they sound good. Huh?

Caller 2 (00:52:26):
I was really impressed. Yeah. This is, this is

Scott Wilkinson (00:52:29):
Yeah. Noise reduction and pop, pop removal, that sort of

Leo Laporte (00:52:32):
Thing. Cause these were probably originally records.

Caller 2 (00:52:35):
Well I'm sure.

Leo Laporte (00:52:36):
Yeah. Yeah. There's also a cool thing that you interviewed a guy Scott used on tapes like miles Davis kind of blue is recorded on reel to real tapes. He mm-hmm <affirmative> he used the bias tone and the tapes to eliminate. Wow. And flutter. I remember. Yeah. Yeah. So there's some interesting stuff being done to get this old stuff

Scott Wilkinson (00:52:58):
Back sounding good. Yeah.

Caller 2 (00:53:00):
Yeah. Yeah. So this is a very young Victoria de Los Angeles

Leo Laporte (00:53:04):

Scott Wilkinson (00:53:05):
Oh man. Wow. Did you hear speaking of this? Did you hear that? That they just recently released some Selena tracks in which they aged her voice.

Leo Laporte (00:53:18):
Oh, that's weird. Selena Gomez.

Scott Wilkinson (00:53:20):
No, no. Selena. Oh the, the, the tech not,

Leo Laporte (00:53:26):
Yeah, she, she was murdered. I remember her. She, yeah,

Scott Wilkinson (00:53:29):
I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, they, they, they had a bunch of unreleased tra no, no, I take it back. It was, it was classic tracks.

Leo Laporte (00:53:36):
The queen of Tejano music

Scott Wilkinson (00:53:38):
Tejano. That's the word I was thinking. Yeah, exactly. And they, they released a bunch of her classic tracks, but they aged her voice as, as if she was, you know, 20 years old.

Leo Laporte (00:53:50):
She died at, at 23. Yeah. Murdered in Corpus Christi and yeah. So we'll never know what she sounded would sound like now. Right. How interesting.

Scott Wilkinson (00:53:59):
But they, they tried to simulate that and her family okayed it and her fans are all up in arms. I just heard this on the radio yesterday. Yeah. her fans are all up in arms of what are you doing? Yeah. That's ridiculous. And what do they did really was EQ her voice.

Leo Laporte (00:54:17):
The vocal. Yeah. I think that is kind of silly. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:54:19):

Leo Laporte (00:54:19):
Silly. But I like the idea that you could use Cedar and other technologies to get these recordings old, as good as possible. Cause that's all, there's never gonna come back. Right, right. Yep. Miles won't be recording kind of blue anytime soon. <Laugh> he's playing it up in heaven.

Scott Wilkinson (00:54:35):
That's right.

Leo Laporte (00:54:36):
That's right. Well, Alan, I appreciate that was a good, wow. Thank you. Great. Have a great day. Thanks for your advice. Take care.

Scott Wilkinson (00:54:44):

Leo Laporte (00:54:45):
Scotty, you've got four minutes and 45 seconds.

Scott Wilkinson (00:54:49):
I thank you captain. So hello everybody. Let's see. Itech says late to chat, but if done, right like avatar, 3d, especially in IMAX, I think is great. A lot of people like it.

Leo Laporte (00:55:06):
I wish I seen top gun Maverick in IMAX.

Scott Wilkinson (00:55:10):
Yeah. That probably would've been awesome.

Leo Laporte (00:55:11):
We watched it last night on our, you know, big screen, close up with good sound. And it was amazing in, in

Scott Wilkinson (00:55:17):
HDR. I haven't seen it yet.

Leo Laporte (00:55:18):
Beautiful movie. Yeah. And actually surprisingly good. I thought it wasn't bad at all, but I would've loved to have seen an IMAX cuz the, the flight stuff I hurt.

Scott Wilkinson (00:55:27):
You's incredible. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I have not been back to the theater mean

Leo Laporte (00:55:32):

Scott Wilkinson (00:55:33):
Since pandemic time. Sadly and now I'm not close to to a good Doby cinema or an IMAX gotta go up to San Jose that I'm going to I'm going to see if I can see if I can make, if, if I'll I'll Michael, I'll talk to you off stage here and see if we can meet up in San Jose and you can see Cammy. Hey, Laia always great to see you. Web 73 50. Have you received the new sambar yet? Yes I have. And I will be talking about it on a upcoming show right here, the Visio M series elevate and so far. I'm very impressed. Very impressed. I'm liking it a lot, but I will tell you more later. Hey, compter gum bees, exit stage lift.

Scott Wilkinson (00:56:39):
Let's see tabla, nice screen name. What streaming service is the best quality to watch top gun Maverick? Well, I mean, I think it's, isn't it only on one streaming service. I don't know which one it is. I can't imagine that it's on multiple streaming services. So it, it is what it is. Stimson, what type of camera set up is needed to capture 3d effect to display on a display? Well, if you're talking about conventional 3d, that is where you have to wear glasses. You need two cameras separated by the distance, the average distance between two eyeballs. That's what you need for volumetric capture for the capture that you would use with this new light field lab, solid light technology. You need a lot more <laugh> you need cameras all over the place to capture all the different light rays that come off of an object in all different directions so that when you walk around it, it will change its perspective.

Scott Wilkinson (00:57:55):
As if you're looking at a real object. Now there are such capture rooms, obviously it's very difficult to do outdoors but you can do it in a room. But you need cameras basically all over the room to do it. So that's a little tricky beat master did the light field lab guy what did he think about pets? You know, we, I think we actually talked about that of, of making a hologram of your pet that had passed away. And so you could have a, you could, you could live with your pet, even though they were gone. Which was an interesting idea. I thought I can't so many things go wrong at home that displaying holographic material and dogs and cats jumping at it. <Laugh> oh, I see what you mean. I see what you mean that you have a hologram in your house and the, and the dog and the cat try to interact with it that we didn't talk about. It's a very interesting question. I hadn't thought of that before, but we did talk about holographically resurrecting, your pet <laugh> yeah. Beat master. That's I, I didn't understand it first, but now I do. Let's see. Yeah, there you go. I wanted a dumb TV strengths says, so I bought a 48 inch computer monitor. Yeah. Computer monitors are dumb.

Leo Laporte (00:59:30):
Thank you, Scotty.

Scott Wilkinson (00:59:32):
My pleasure. See you next week.

Leo Laporte (00:59:36):
Well, hello. Hey. No, that's not gonna work either. I'm trying new, you know, new things. It's fun to try new things. Well, hello? Hello. Hey there if you bought there, I Leo Laporte. Yeah. That's not gonna work either. I'm Hey, Hey. Hey. How about that? How are you today? Leo? Leport here. The tech guy. Time to talk with Mica Sergeant your tech guy too. Taught computers, the internet, home theater, digital photography, smartphone, smart watches, all that stuff. All that jazz. 80, all that jazz. 88. Ask Leo jazz hands. <Laugh> I everybody dance now. Oh, I I, oh my computer's. I said no, I'm just gonna play that. No sound for you. No sound effects. No. let's go back to the phones. I thought that was a wallpaper, but no, just a video 88 ask Leo is the phone number and on the line. It's Joey from San Diego. Hello, Joey.

Caller 3 (01:00:37):
Hey Leo. How you bro? How you doing bro?

Leo Laporte (01:00:39):
We're great. How are you, sir?

Caller 3 (01:00:42):
I'm glad to see you got Michael. Sorry today. You got some young people there

Leo Laporte (01:00:45):
Finally. Right? Finally got some. I'm trying to listen. Young blood in the house, old people, all these old people. <Laugh> what could Leo know? What could he know about anything? He's not a ticker.

Caller 3 (01:00:58):
Hey, I can't laugh at you, Leo. I can't laugh at

Leo Laporte (01:01:01):
What's up, Joe.

Caller 3 (01:01:03):
You, you mentioned top gun Leo. I, I saw,

Leo Laporte (01:01:07):
Oh man. It's in insane. Takes place in Coronado, right?

Caller 3 (01:01:10):
Yeah. But what? You never replaced the original Leo.

Leo Laporte (01:01:14):
I thought it. Okay. So I'd watched top gun Maverick last night. There's an original Micah Sergeant. I didn't realize that Micah hold Sergeant time out. I thought that you were saying that top gun alone was a replacement for it even. No, no, no. Earlier top gun. I understand the top gun matter. No, no, <laugh> no top top gun. And then the Maverick, which just came out by the way, speaking of old folks, Tom cruise, 60 years old, but looks great. Can fly like a Demonn the funny thing about Maverick is it's the plot of star wars <laugh> really, but other than that,

Caller 3 (01:01:51):

Leo Laporte (01:01:52):
Yeah. Right. Cause they have to fly down the trench and then drop the bomb right? In the whole, in the, the vent. It's like, but

Caller 3 (01:01:59):
You know what? You know what Leo, Leo, Leo, I don't know if you felt this way, but I felt they screwed up. They had to put Kelly McGills in the movie somewhere.

Leo Laporte (01:02:06):
I know I was a little disappointed. They got Jennifer con lays the love interest instead.

Caller 3 (01:02:10):
She was the

Leo Laporte (01:02:11):
First I completely agree. I completely agree.

Caller 3 (01:02:13):
She was the movie.

Leo Laporte (01:02:14):
They were, they were both good movies.

Caller 3 (01:02:17):
Got a quick joke for you. I got

Leo Laporte (01:02:18):
A okay, Joey,

Caller 3 (01:02:19):
You're not gonna like this. It's a political joke, Leo. Oh, it's I'm gonna say another name for the January 6th committee is a committee to, to prevent Donald Trump from running in 2024.

Leo Laporte (01:02:31):
That's not a joke. I think that's I'll think that's true. Don't think it's a and some people would not laugh. Joey, did you have a computer question? <Laugh>

Caller 3 (01:02:43):
No, I don't. I kind

Leo Laporte (01:02:44):
<Laugh> well, I'm gonna move on then. Cuz there are people who do I thought you wanted ask about Teslas. Do you don't wanna ask? I do. Oh, oh. That's like a computer question that Tesla's a computer,

Caller 3 (01:02:53):
But I, but I, I wanna talk to you too, but

Leo Laporte (01:02:56):
I know. I know, but yeah, yeah, yeah. If it's just a Leo and Joey chat Fest, nobody's gonna listen to that. I wish they would. No, we

Caller 3 (01:03:03):
Can't be doing that.

Leo Laporte (01:03:03):
That'd be, but you know what, Joey, when I retire, I'll tell you where my bench is. You can come sit next to me. We'll talk.

Caller 3 (01:03:10):

Leo Laporte (01:03:11):
<Laugh> it's like I'm in San Diego. We'll do it right by the, where the sailor and the, and the nurse are kissing right by the

Caller 3 (01:03:18):
Okay. Right quick. I just wanted your opinion on the Tesla. Cause I'm thinking about getting, I quit with gas cars. I quit

Leo Laporte (01:03:24):
Good for you. So is the state of California say you're 20? So I've had a Tesla. I had a model X. I currently have a Ford ma we are an all electric family. My wife drives a mini Cooper S electric. And our 19 year old has a Chevy bolt. Love all three of them. I don't think there's anything wrong with the Tesla. Every Tesla owner, I talked to loves the Tesla.

Caller 3 (01:03:53):
So I took a Tesla drive and I was blown away.

Leo Laporte (01:03:56):
The, I think the first thing I would say is everybody loves electric vehicles generically the first time, because there's thing about things about an electric that is different from a gas vehicle, chiefly that the electric engine has a hundred percent torque from the moment you touch the pedal, what does that mean? It means there's you know, when you push the pedal on a gas car, there's a little bit of a lag, you know, it has to build up mm, electric vehicle, instant torque. And that's why it can pin your head to the back of the back of the seat. And that's why they have such fast zero to 60 times. They have race car fast, zero to 60 times, depending on your Tesla. It might be as fast as four seconds, zero to 60 miles an hour. So, right. I mean, you're never gonna use that, but, but that, but that's the

Caller 3 (01:04:49):
Well think too, I'm an old per I'm an old person, Leo. I just want to drive for me to be, I don't want to.

Leo Laporte (01:04:53):
Yeah. Yeah. So that's the other thing people like about electric? There's no, basically electric motors are maintenance free. You still have to bring it in to rotate the tires cuz rubber wears and to make sure your fluids are are topped off things like that. But I, you know, that's

Caller 3 (01:05:10):
Hey Leo. Yeah. How, how much does it cost to charge you from at home? I mean we,

Leo Laporte (01:05:14):
Well, we, this is okay, so this is a good charging is a good question. A lot of people ask, first of all, range, how far can you get, what are you gonna do when you get to the end of the tank? And you're not at home. Most people don't drive that much day to day. So they charge at home. Then the question is, well, how much is that gonna cost? And in California we have very expensive electricity, right? Joey so you should contact your local electric company. Many of them have special rates for EV owners. Oh of course the EV

Caller 3 (01:05:45):
I can give you a special rate at midnight.

Leo Laporte (01:05:47):
Yeah. Well, that's fine because you don't care about that. The EV I, we are our peak hours up here Northern California is 4:00 PM to 9:00 PM. It's probably something similar for you as well. Cause people go to bed and then they don't need as much electricity. So I just tell the car do not charge between four and 9:00 PM. We have solar panels. So we're generating in effect generating our own electricity. So, but that's, that's a big expense. So not everybody will have solar panels, but I would say, especially with gas' expense of it is as it is the, the chances are it's gonna be very similar to the cost of driving a gas vehicle and probably less over the life of the vehicle due to a number of things like maintenance. So I, I think there, I think, you know, this is something you have to look at your own rates, call your own electric company to find out.

Leo Laporte (01:06:42):
But I, my, my experience has been it's cost us very little to keep those three cars now really charged. And it sure is nice not to stop at the gas station. You know, I don't, I don't. So I think that I understand the issues people have, frankly, with electric vehicles, there's concern about what the burden will be on the grid. There's but people don't drive as much as they, maybe they think they do. If you, you know, I, if you commute to work back and forth, I think that's probably the, you know, most of the time and that means you're gonna charge at night. So it means you can always have a full tank every morning.

Leo Laporte (01:07:22):
I don't, I don't wanna proselytize for electric vehicles, but I put my money where my mouth is. I think Teslas are very good. I'm not, I didn't wanna model three because I didn't, I like more controls. I like buttons, knobs styles, you know, and then model three moves a lot of those onto the screen. So just, but I think the model, three's a great car. A lot of people like it. It's funny. I, my, my last checkup with my physician would go through all the things he says, turn your head, cough the whole thing. And then he says, Hey, I got a question for you. Should I get a Tesla or a mock <laugh>? So I gave him the same speech I'm giving you. I, I stopped buying Teslas cuz I was concerned about the company. I was concerned about repairs. At the time this was a couple years ago.

Leo Laporte (01:08:05):
They were having a hard time getting extra parts. I also wanted to buy a car from a car company and Ford's a car company. Yes. as Sam, I both Sam, our car guy calls him a metal bender. And I think there were certain advantages to getting it from a car company. They didn't have the experience though that Tesla has, Tesla's got a lot of experience building electric vehicles and they are the number. They're not number one anymore. The number two electric vehicles seller in the us. So the number one is a company in China. Really? Yeah. They are the number one in California, right? Oh yeah. Well up here in Northern California, every third car is at Tesla. That's true. So certainly Tesla owners love them. I just think that Tesla owners love them is often because it's their first electric vehicle and that love really would spread to almost any electric vehicle.

Leo Laporte (01:08:49):
They're they're really fun to drive. I've never driven one. Oh yeah. I see. I have to Tesla drive. I'll throw you the keys. Oh no. I'm not driving your to your electric vehicle. Sure. Ever. Sure. No, no, no. I used to take fans would come to the studio. I used to take 'em for rides in the Tesla in the in the insane mode. Oh, I ride with you in it. I just, I stopped doing it because like top gun, I almost blacked out cuz you're there's so the GS you're pinned against the, and I just, I thought if I'm black out, this could be bad. That could be very bad. So I stopped doing that. Yeah. but a couple of our fans, no 88. Anyway, Joey, you did a test drive and you enjoyed it. Yes I did. Yeah. It's a little more, it's more electric vehicle. Start out a little more expensive cuz you have to buy the batteries. Although the, the bolt very inexpensive after the rebates, we got our Chevy bolt for 20 grand really? And it's been a great vehicle with great range. It's a the kid loves it. It's a great first vehicle. So I, I right. I think they're great,

Caller 3 (01:09:55):
Man. I, yeah. And you know, you mentioned that you, you, you stopped buying the Tesla too because they had parks problems. Yeah. I don't know. That was probably around the time too when they lost the billion dollars in the one quarter too. Yeah. Or

Leo Laporte (01:10:06):
Almost, I think they I've they've turned the corner on that. I love their model. I think the negative of buying the four as you go through dealers, dealers are awful. Are, they don't know how to fix the car. You know, people say, I keep getting you know, every three months an oil change <laugh> certificate from my dealer. They don't understand, I don't have oil, dude. I don't need an oil change. You know, I think dealers have a way to go to get up to speed. The EVs Tesla, obviously that's all they've ever sold so that you're gonna get, I think they know more. So there's a, I, the buying experience was fantastic with Tesla and and they were very responsive. Anytime I had a problem. Sometimes the, the 12 volt battery, there is a, there is a traditional car volt battery led acid battery in the car died very early on, on the Tesla, six months in I think, and they sent a guy out in a truck replaced.

Leo Laporte (01:10:58):
It didn't have to go anywhere. They didn't have to pay anything. That was, that was a good experience. So then there were weird things. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative> like the model X Tesla's a little strange. They designed the front and back tires to be different. So you can't rotate the tires. <Laugh> now that's a dumb move, right? That's a very dumb move. And a car company would never have done that. But Tesla, you know, plus they have some strange features. You can annoy pedestrians with flatulence. The kid loved it when he was younger, the turn signal, instead of going click, click went,

Mikah Sargent (01:11:33):
Oh, that's,

Leo Laporte (01:11:34):
What's gonna disgusting

Caller 3 (01:11:35):
Paper Leo. Yes. But Leo, the cars drive themselves. I don't care what nobody says.

Leo Laporte (01:11:39):
They do not drive themselves. Joey. I want you to, I don't, I don't want you to trust that car. It

Caller 3 (01:11:45):

Leo Laporte (01:11:45):
As soon as you get one, you will know,

Caller 3 (01:11:48):
Hey, Hey Leo, you could, you could buy a gadget. You put on the stern wheel.

Leo Laporte (01:11:53):
I know, I know there are people who love those things. But you still trust me. Don't relax. Your vigilance self-driving vehicles at some point will try to do something bad and you've gotta be there to go, oh, Nope. Not that way. There's a curve I know on the highway 1 0 1, every time I'd drive down and it, it, it just fooled the Tesla for some reason. And it would try to pull into the median, you know, and run into the concrete. And of course I knew it. So I'd keep my hands and I'd say, no, no, I gently nudge it back into the lane. The other thing is it had a lane changing feature and it would always, it was very aggressive. And I feel like it was cutting the cars off. So I, I stopped using that. And then one little problem. I, this probably is fixed, but Tesla and I've heard others report this.

Leo Laporte (01:12:42):
The car has built in features to stop you from running into stuff. But sometimes it sees things that aren't there. So you're suddenly the brakes get jammed on and that's not good. So yeah, I, they look, Elon is a huckster. He's a marketing guru. He's the PT Barnum of our era. <Laugh> and he's overselling the capabilities cuz it's good for marketing. Eighty eight, eighty eight ask Leo that's the phone number? Micah and Leo are here to answer your calls. After the show, I'm giving you the keys. You've got to drive an electric vehicle, Michael, at least once in your life, <laugh> more calls after this. Why don't you go now? <Laugh> I'm not driving your car. Why don't you go now? Come on, man. It's insured.

Mikah Sargent (01:13:30):
I would consider putting it around the, the parking lot.

Leo Laporte (01:13:33):
Well, yeah. That's yeah. Okay. That's a start. That's a start. That's a start.

Mikah Sargent (01:13:46):
I didn't know. The bolt was so affordable.

Leo Laporte (01:13:48):
Yeah. so the median for electric vehicles, like 59,000, but that, that really fools you because that's the median. Yeah. Bolt is a great deal. Yeah. We're gonna have Mike a live stream. <Laugh> as he, as he drives down the road, why are you, why do you not wanna look at that? An F 1 50 0 to 64.3 seconds. And it only burns a gallon of gas to do it. That's amazing.

Mikah Sargent (01:14:16):
Oh, I thought that Binky was talking about the,

Leo Laporte (01:14:18):
He doesn't have the lightning. I don't think. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:14:26):
Oh my goodness. That reminds me of when I had to Uber and a Tesla showed up and I didn't know how to get into the car <laugh> I was like, what do I do at the handle? And it's like, you have to push on the side of it. Okay. It's got the reason like waving in front of it for

Leo Laporte (01:14:46):
Aerodynamics. They don't want any gaps in the panel. So it's flush. Yeah. Yeah. You press it. It goes, I don't like that either. So, but of course the Ford is even weirder. It's just a dot. You touch the dot. See? There's no hand. Oh my God. Yeah. There's no handles. There's no handles at all. There's no.

Mikah Sargent (01:15:01):
What does the, does it have some mechanism that pops it out? What if that mechanism dies?

Leo Laporte (01:15:06):
Well, you see the front door has a little handle a little mini. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (01:15:10):
Okay. So you do have a

Leo Laporte (01:15:10):
Little thing that you could pull on. That's good. Yeah. I mean these things are very dependent on their circuitry.

Mikah Sargent (01:15:21):
Yeah. That's the, that's the troubling thing, but

Leo Laporte (01:15:23):
I mean, some of the modern vehicles are kind of modern, modern ice vehicles are too. Really?

Mikah Sargent (01:15:28):
Yeah. I mean that's I, my my vehicle's from 2004 and

Leo Laporte (01:15:34):
I oh yeah. You, you don't even have seat belts. Do you?

Mikah Sargent (01:15:36):
<Laugh> exactly. Yeah. In fact, I have to go and dig up some dinosaur bones every morning in order to power

Leo Laporte (01:15:44):
It <laugh>. Oh, you have the Mr. Fusion version. That's good. That's nice. No, I I love electric vehicles. I'll never drive anything else. And Lisa feels the same way, even though, you know, she's had some interesting challenges with

Mikah Sargent (01:15:59):
Her. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:15:59):
She has. But it's been fine.

Mikah Sargent (01:16:00):
She's still sticking. Yeah. Yeah. I think that speaks to how much she likes it.

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Mikah Sargent (01:19:06):
This one, this song's kind of whining modest mouse, isn't it? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:19:12):
Is that who it's think to be, Hey Leo Laport Mikah Sargent the singing tech guys. Boy, that would really, oh God. Which would be worse. The singing tech guys are the whistling tech guys.

Mikah Sargent (01:19:25):
It depends on who you are.

Leo Laporte (01:19:27):

Mikah Sargent (01:19:28):
I probably the singing.

Leo Laporte (01:19:29):
If it were James Gordon, it'd be like, oh cool. That's good. He can sing. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:19:33):
Yeah. Yeah. I think the singing tech guy,

Leo Laporte (01:19:35):
But on the other hand, you wouldn't want Beyonce to fix your computer. <Laugh> that's true. Yeah. So it's okay

Mikah Sargent (01:19:40):
That we, we can't

Leo Laporte (01:19:42):
Each to his own. Yeah. Phil is on the line from Stevenson ranch, California. Our next call. Hi Phil.

Caller 4 (01:19:48):
Hey thanks for taking my call. And first time caller.

Leo Laporte (01:19:52):
It's so great to have you. We love our first time callers.

Caller 4 (01:19:57):
Well, I had a media center. It was a Mac mini and I've got some apple TV spread around the house and the Mac mini finally croaked. Aw,

Leo Laporte (01:20:06):
I don't. What software did you use on the Mac mini to make it a media center? Did you have some special software? No, no,

Caller 4 (01:20:12):

Leo Laporte (01:20:13):
You just use iTunes and let it run. And, and then the other machines that see it.

Caller 4 (01:20:17):
Yeah. Okay. now I, I have a Sonology ah, for 19 slim.

Leo Laporte (01:20:24):
Nice. And

Caller 4 (01:20:26):
I've got a backup of my media center on that. Sonology

Leo Laporte (01:20:30):
The content. Well, I, yeah.

Caller 4 (01:20:32):
Yeah. So I would like my apple TVs to see the Sonology and act like a media center.

Leo Laporte (01:20:39):
I'll tell you my favorite way to do this. Sonology does support. So apple, it looks like Apple's not running a server when they're running iTunes, but they are, there is a, there's an apple media server. So that's what iTunes is. So that's why I can serve obviously Plex isn't a, an apple device, but they do support the file, the, the apple media server system. But I would recommend a, a piece of software called Plex from Plex TV. Okay. And so it, it Sonology has it in their store. It's you can install it on your Sonology with one click and you will then point it at the folders where all your media lives. It does some very nice things. It gets album art, it will organize videos. It'll do some really nice things with it. And then, but you do, the only drawback is you do need on your other apple devices to have the Plex app.

Caller 4 (01:21:36):

Leo Laporte (01:21:36):
But they have a Plex app for apple TV, for Roku, for fire TV, for iOS, for Android, for Chromecast, for PlayStation, for Xbox, for TVs, from Samsung, LG, and Visio. So you can pretty much put Plex everywhere. And that's actually nice. Cuz now you're, you don't even have to have a, a Mac or an apple device to see your media. You could play it on your TV or your stereo or et cetera, et cetera.

Caller 4 (01:22:00):
All right. Well that sounds great. So I, I just go into like the Sonology

Leo Laporte (01:22:06):
The marketplace download. Yeah. it, the package manager, I can't remember if it's in the main package manager or third parties, but if you just you know, it is, it looks like it is part of the DSM packages. It's an add-on package. It's called the Plex media server. There. You can use it for free. It probably is worth buying a subscription for the additional features. They stream a lot of content. There's a lot of stuff you can do. In fact, you can even make Plex visible when you're not at home. So that a lot of people who own Plex do this, they, they, they, as they travel, they can watch their media or they share it with other Plex users. And then you can have kind of a group of people sharing media.

Caller 4 (01:22:46):
All right. Do I need to take all the media out of the iTunes folder? And

Leo Laporte (01:22:52):
You may have to, you may have to put in a special folder. I can't remember if you can just point the Plex server at it. I think you can, but you'll see, it'll be clear. Johnny jet travel guru coming up out of home Plex is, is, is one of the paid services. But in your home you don't need to pay for it. I, I think it's worth it cuz they have a lot of other stuff, including streaming content. Yeah. I'm pretty sure they

Mikah Sargent (01:23:23):
Had used Plex.

Leo Laporte (01:23:24):
Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. I didn't know you were Plex. Oh, I'm sorry. I would've shut up. No, I didn't know you were a Plex user.

Mikah Sargent (01:23:28):
I know we both are. And I, I think that they will index your iTunes folder where it is. If I remember

Leo Laporte (01:23:33):
You could just say this is where all the content is. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure that that's the

Mikah Sargent (01:23:37):
Case. As long as it's not apple music content, you know that it's actual stuff that you own, then they can

Leo Laporte (01:23:41):
Show up. Yeah. Not copy protected or, you know, and remember you're streaming stuff that you, you know, cashed doesn't count, but anything you bought

Caller 4 (01:23:50):
All of my media, it's mostly videos and movies. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> things like that. I'm not concerned about the music so much because you I've got an apple plus subscription for that. Perfect. It's just a, I've got the, you know, probably, you know, you know, maybe three or four terabytes of movies that I've ripped from flex

Leo Laporte (01:24:13):
Incredible for that because it will, it will organize it. It'll say, you know, the date of the movie. I, it makes it look like it's the iTunes movie store. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> I mean, it really does a nice job. All right. You'll probably want to Google an article that says, you know, moving my iTunes media to Plex because you may have some renaming to do or try.

Mikah Sargent (01:24:34):
I got one for you. Oh good. Tech guy And it also, I didn't realize this. You can integrate it with your photos library too.

Leo Laporte (01:24:41):
Oh yeah. So you can have a slideshow. I mean it's Plex is very mature, very smart. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> it really works quite well.

Caller 4 (01:24:48):
Yeah. I I've got, you know tons and tons of photos that, you know, perfect. I've got 'em in the cloud. I've got 'em on my PL or my Sonology and all that because, you know, I I'm just totally paranoid about having backups and yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:25:03):
Good. That's good. So <laugh>, there used to be, you know, more of these kinds of apps, Plex kind of one basically. It's just so good. It was it was based on the Xbox what was it called? Xbox media server or something. It has an interesting history and there was missed TV. There were a whole bunch of these originally, but

Caller 4 (01:25:31):
Plex. I remember myths

Leo Laporte (01:25:32):
TV. Yeah. You remember myth? Yeah, that was an ex, so it was XPM C and then it got renamed to Cody. But it was written for the Mac originally. So it's very Mac friendly. So I think it's a good choice. I think it's a really good choice. I

Caller 4 (01:25:49):
Will. Yeah. I appreciate the help.

Leo Laporte (01:25:51):
You're very welcome. Enjoy. Let us know how it works.

Caller 4 (01:25:54):

Leo Laporte (01:25:54):
Will. Thanks for calling bye. Yeah. Perfect. For video, right? Mm-Hmm

Mikah Sargent (01:25:58):
<Affirmative> Plex is amazing. And I said, listen, it is time for Johnny jet. Yeah. He's been everywhere. He's been in the mountain air and everywhere in between Johnny jet, the travel and guru is here with us today. Hello, Johnny jet.

Johnny Jet (01:26:18):
Hello? How are you? Two doing? Great. Doing

Mikah Sargent (01:26:22):
Great. Yeah. Oh, that's a cool shirt.

Johnny Jet (01:26:25):
You know, I went through my closet. I was like, I, I don't think I've ever worn this one.

Mikah Sargent (01:26:29):
Yeah. I like it. It's got, it's

Johnny Jet (01:26:30):
A little tight on me, so I don't like public.

Leo Laporte (01:26:32):
You look very manly. <Laugh> you look like Sylvester Stallone.

Johnny Jet (01:26:36):
Yeah. Film in the news this week.

Mikah Sargent (01:26:39):
Wait, so let's just Stallone in the, oh, it's got no movie. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:26:44):
Now he's getting divorced. This is what I saw and got

Leo Laporte (01:26:46):
A new movie. He's I choose to look at the prices.

Mikah Sargent (01:26:49):
Have both. Yeah. Yeah. If he wants to do a new movie, he's gotta have time for it. So sort of, yeah. Anyway tell us about travel <laugh>

Johnny Jet (01:26:56):
Hey, so prices are starting to go down. Airports. I think today was, yesterday was 2.2 million in 2019. It was 2.6. So we're still lagging, but it's because the airlines have cut back. They just don't have enough staff, pilots, gate agents, every kind of agent. So we're still behind, but the planes are gonna be full. And, but this is a good time to buy. Actually, I was looking at tickets to come back to go to Hawaii for over new year's. You can, after January fir like maybe it's like the fifth or something 1 29 each way. And actually I found a ticket to go to Hawaii right around that time for like 1 51 way. So there's good prices. If you're, if you're thinking about flying, you know, in the fall, in the spring start booking or at least set a fair alert. So I sent a newsletter this week saying set a fair alert, cuz someone's like, is it too early to book? It might be too early to book. Just know what the price is for wherever you're going, if you know that price. And if it drops below it, grab it. So that's why I tell people, set a fair, a free, fair alert. A bunch of companies do it. I'll Google's one of them kayak, fair compare. I'll put the I'll put my post in the chat room. I'll tweet it out. I'll put it in my newsletter. And so that, that's definitely the way to go. If you're trying to save money on looking plane,

Leo Laporte (01:28:25):
I subscribe to the Johnny jet newsletter. I

Johnny Jet (01:28:28):
Find that I have a daily travel tip and I have a weekly newsletter. So I just sent the daily travel tip today was about airport. You know how to get through airport security quicker. And then tomorrow is my Sunday one. It's a main newsletter. So I'll have a Roundup of all my tips from the week in case you don't want to get inundated with a daily travel tip.

Leo Laporte (01:28:46):
One of the things you said, I thought was interesting. You said you have, you should have your electronic devices fully charged before you go to through security. Why is that?

Johnny Jet (01:28:55):
Yes. Why is that? Well, certain airports, especially in the UK. So let's say you do a long flight and you're connecting through the UK, the UK, when you go through security there, you gotta take out everything I'm talking. I take out all my electronics, all the cords. I even take out my lip balm because if they pull, pull your bag over, you might have to wait 30 to 45 minutes just for them to check it. And we've had times where we almost missed our flight, but also because I don't know when they implemented this rule, but if they cannot power on your device, you cannot bring it through security.

Leo Laporte (01:29:28):
Oh, oh, cuz it could be a, you know, not a device. Exactly. It could just be a shell around something sneaky.

Johnny Jet (01:29:35):
So I actually, I learned that this week from an influencer in the UK who posted it on Instagram or TikTok. So I, and I looked it up and sure enough, there are the rules in the UK government

Leo Laporte (01:29:46):
It's been years, but I have had them turn, ask me to turn it on. But it's been a long time since they've done that in

Johnny Jet (01:29:53):
The UK, UK, you were here because cuz the us, they actually had had a rule too. I, I sent the email to the TSA and it's just not clear. They still do, but they

Leo Laporte (01:30:00):
Can. I think they reserve the right, you know exactly. Yeah, cuz I always take my laptop out my iPad out. I actually take all my electronics out. Cuz sometimes they say, oh, if it's smaller than a tablet, you don't have to take it out. But then they sometimes go, well like once a camera lens, BU them take

Johnny Jet (01:30:19):
It all out. Listen. So

Leo Laporte (01:30:20):
I take it all out now. Yeah. I take it all out.

Johnny Jet (01:30:22):
Especially going through,

Leo Laporte (01:30:23):
Take it out, take all out out.

Johnny Jet (01:30:25):
Yeah. But even here, you know, if you don't have TSA, pre-check I take it out. But you know, I do have TSA pre

Leo Laporte (01:30:32):
If you have lip balm, will they make you eat it just

Johnny Jet (01:30:35):
Yes. So make sure you get the fruit flavor. <Laugh> I'm kidding. The best travel tip.

Leo Laporte (01:30:39):

Johnny Jet (01:30:41):
No, but you'd be surprised at like just the little things in the UK. I'm talking like I had like a fingernail tip of a, like a liquid lip balm and they're like, Nope,

Leo Laporte (01:30:51):
No. What what? Cause it wasn't in the original package. Cause

Johnny Jet (01:30:54):
No, because it wasn't in a bag. You had to put it in a clear

Leo Laporte (01:30:57):
Bag. As long as it's under, what is it? Three and a half ounces.

Johnny Jet (01:31:01):
Three, the 3, 1, 1 rule.

Leo Laporte (01:31:03):
But, but I always thought it had to be like in the original, it can't just be like a vial of liquid. It has to be in the original packaging. Right? So they know what it is.

Johnny Jet (01:31:13):
Well they still, still they'll still meet pass through, even though it was not in the clear plastic

Leo Laporte (01:31:18):
Probably was also cause you said I have a bomb. I have bomb here. I have bomb here

Johnny Jet (01:31:23):
Would ever do that. Don't do that anywhere. You will definitely go to jail. Really? Nobody

Mikah Sargent (01:31:27):
Said BM B a LM lip.

Johnny Jet (01:31:30):
BM. Yeah. I would even

Leo Laporte (01:31:32):
<Laugh> I think they still go to jail.

Johnny Jet (01:31:33):

Leo Laporte (01:31:33):
It wast joke. It's not don't joke. Don't joke. It's not a joke. It's not funny.

Johnny Jet (01:31:37):
I'm a joker, but I, I, when you go through airport security, you don't joke. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:31:41):
I would be as quiet as

Leo Laporte (01:31:43):
Possible. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:31:43):
And you know, talking about international airports, you know, from Britney Griner, we learned, I mean,

Leo Laporte (01:31:48):
Oh no marijuana, no

Johnny Jet (01:31:50):
Marijuana. Not just, just not marijuana. If it's legal here doesn't mean it's legal. That's there. That's right. That's right. You need to know the rules. I mean, there was once a, a, a UK passenger passing through Dubai and he literally had a seed caught underneath his seat his shoe. So, and he got flagged and he went to jail for, I don't know how long few years a seed is in from some random plant or like M for marijuana, a

Leo Laporte (01:32:15):
Marijuana that's,

Johnny Jet (01:32:15):
There's no tolerance. And I mean, when you land in Singapore, they say, if you have any porn on your computer, it's, you know, you can go to jail for that. So you're like what? I hope my friends didn't send me anything. And 

Leo Laporte (01:32:27):
Yeah. I mean, some of that stuff, you're not really in control of. It could be in your,

Johnny Jet (01:32:29):
You can't even bring Tylenol to Japan. Wow. So there's different and, and, and some over counter to the medicine. So always make sure you know what you're bringing.

Leo Laporte (01:32:38):
Wow. I need to learn about Tylenol in Japan. I didn't know about that. And

Johnny Jet (01:32:43):
I, I mean, I've had, I keep Tylenol my bag and I've had it in my bag where I'm like, you know, luckily they didn't flag it, but you know, I always travel with Tylenol in case I get a fever, but I don't travel with a huge bomb

Leo Laporte (01:32:56):
Of them. I was many years ago, my book publisher had an event in The Bahamas, which beautiful. And we flew in and they had the dogs and they actually pulled one of the authors aside, strip searcher. She, we, we all went on. She didn't show it back up for hours because the dog smelled marijuana. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> she had none on her. But the theory was that the person who sat in the airplane seat before her had marijuana rubbed the smell, rubbed off the dog, smelled it. And as a result, she was thoroughly strip searched. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. You know, really terrible. Now I don't know if that's still the case in The Bahamas. This was a long time ago, but yeah, it, it can be bad. It can be

Johnny Jet (01:33:41):
Bad if you're going to other countries where drugs are illegal, which most of them are, do not do drugs even a couple days before you're going, there was a story. What

Leo Laporte (01:33:49):
Will they will they test

Johnny Jet (01:33:50):
A year ago? I, I have to, I have to look up the story, but I remember it was, again, it was Dubai. This one where someone fell sick, he was sick. And they, I think he had like a gold bladder problem and he tested positive for marijuana.

Leo Laporte (01:34:05):
Makes just wanna stay home. Hasn't it? Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:34:07):
<Laugh> no, you don't wanna stay home. Listen, I've been all around the world. I've been to, you've been everywhere. I've never had knock on world. I haven't been everywhere, but I've been to a lot of places and I've never had any problems. And I just remember, I wish to be afraid to fly afraid to leave the house and afraid to leave the country. Yeah. And I, once I left America and I was full of fear, I realized I actually felt safer outside of America. Yeah. So don't, that's funny. I, I don't want people to like, not travel internationally because

Leo Laporte (01:34:31):
No, I went to, I went to, we visited Istanbul even after seeing midnight express, it was okay. It was okay. We didn't have to go to a Turkish prison. It was great. It was fun. Even, you know, I think sometimes people are afraid of going to areas where politically it's maybe more repressive like Turkey or hungry or even Russia. And you're a guest there and it's at China. I've always had good experiences in those countries.

Johnny Jet (01:34:55):
I wouldn't be going to Russia right now.

Leo Laporte (01:34:57):
Maybe not Russia. <Laugh>, we'll leave out Russia. But I've always had great experiences because you're, you're a guest and they, and they don't want you to just don't, you know, just observe the local customs

Johnny Jet (01:35:09):
And the people are amazing. Like, you know, people

Leo Laporte (01:35:11):
Are great everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. They are everywhere. Everywhere. Johnny jet go to Johnny That's his website, his newsletters there free. You can also follow him on Instagram and Twitter and every week right here. Thanks Johnny.

Johnny Jet (01:35:24):
Thank you.

Leo Laporte (01:35:25):
Love ISTE. Yeah, I do too. Yeah. The blue mosque cheap.

Johnny Jet (01:35:32):
It's cheap. The

Leo Laporte (01:35:33):
BOS Sophia, the PSUs. You can, you can go to Istanbul and be in Asia and Europe in one step. I

Johnny Jet (01:35:40):
Did the

Leo Laporte (01:35:40):
Ferry. Yeah. So that, that way the

Johnny Jet (01:35:43):
Ferry, I don't think it's one step.

Leo Laporte (01:35:45):
Well, if you somewhere there's gotta be a land border.

Johnny Jet (01:35:48):
No, I,

Leo Laporte (01:35:49):
No. You have to take the ferry across the Bo SPUs.

Johnny Jet (01:35:52):
I think so. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:35:53):
Asia's on one side and Europe's on the other side. So you can, can get two continents in, in one. Correct.

Johnny Jet (01:35:59):
And Boro. I mean, BOM's just, I'm sure you've been to Boger and it's amazing place. I

Leo Laporte (01:36:04):
Don't what you, what did you say? No, I've been to the top in

Johnny Jet (01:36:07):
Palace beach

Leo Laporte (01:36:07):
City. Oh no, no. We were just an instant bowl. Beach town. We never, never left. Yeah. Okay. It's like, it's like seas. It's a sea chase for, for Barcelona, which is a beautiful beach town. Outside of Barcelona.

Johnny Jet (01:36:19):
I never just got back from Turkey like a month ago. And she said she loved it. Although she did a hot air balloon. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:36:24):

Johnny Jet (01:36:25):

Leo Laporte (01:36:26):
Kasia. Yeah. She went to Kapai Kaia. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:36:28):
Pronounce it for anyway, you pronounce the basket, hit the car bumper on the, on take off. And the light exploded and it went into her leg and she was bleeding profusely.

Leo Laporte (01:36:40):
<Laugh> okay. That's what we call a freak accident.

Johnny Jet (01:36:43):
She still, she still went up. They, they, I mean, they all went up. They wrapped her leg.

Leo Laporte (01:36:47):

Johnny Jet (01:36:48):
And then she had to go to a hospital.

Leo Laporte (01:36:50):
Oh my word.

Johnny Jet (01:36:51):
I mean, wow. What? She's 80 years

Leo Laporte (01:36:53):
Old. Oh.

Johnny Jet (01:36:56):
She's like, I don't care. I'm going

Leo Laporte (01:36:57):
Good for her. She's amazing. I love travel. Good. Cuz I'm hoping, you know, I'll be 80 in 15 years. I'm hoping I can get some travel in before it's too late.

Johnny Jet (01:37:07):

Leo Laporte (01:37:09):
Yeah. I have to be back though on Saturday so I can only go somewhere. It takes two days <laugh> to visit. You really should just like take, I don't know, six months off. Take a week off. No. Like six months go to

Johnny Jet (01:37:21):
Your travel. We can do a lot in a few days

Leo Laporte (01:37:23):
At some point. So I'm, I'm, you know, I always wanna do a world cruise now. I'm kind of backing off on that. Lisa says I can't be gone that long. So I'm thinking we do like, they have great voyages where it's like only it's a month or two. That would be you just string a few of those together over a few years, you get to see a lot of stuff

Johnny Jet (01:37:39):
That way. I do miss home. When I go

Leo Laporte (01:37:41):
Away. I know after a certain period I know. And now

Johnny Jet (01:37:45):
Burke, I don't wanna, usually I don't wanna leave my house. And once I leave, I usually don't want to go home <laugh> until like a

Leo Laporte (01:37:50):
Month. And now Burke is bringing us a puppy, right? Burke. Oh boy. So my kids been asking for a puppy and they're oh, don't get a puppy. You never, you can't travel. If you have a that's what I'm saying. I think we travel

Mikah Sargent (01:38:02):
From me has two dogs.

Leo Laporte (01:38:03):
It's very, you never go anywhere. No. So be Burke. The new plan with Lisa is when the puppy, when your parents bring the puppies up, Burke's getting one of them. What are they Burke? They're like they're very cute. They're so pretty. Just

Mikah Sargent (01:38:18):
Keep growing.

Leo Laporte (01:38:20):
When they're in Texas. I know, but what they're not called Texas dog <laugh> but anyway she's gonna bring the puppy over to see how the cats react.

Mikah Sargent (01:38:29):
Okay. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:38:31):
And if the cats can handle it, then I have a feeling cuz she really wants a dog.

Mikah Sargent (01:38:35):
Yeah. I know. She's been saying that.

Leo Laporte (01:38:36):
Will they be will they be potty trained Burke

Mikah Sargent (01:38:39):
<Laugh> yeah. They breed that in these days.

Leo Laporte (01:38:41):
How about my kids? They're toy. Poodles. Your kids are not potty trained. No, no. In fact, I remember when we, we always said when those kids are out of diapers, then we know <laugh> we're on our way. <Laugh> that was a great day. We just probably trained my three year old recently. Oh yeah. That's that's a, that's fun. You just put some newspaper on the ground, right? Yeah. Yeah. <Laugh> we had toilets all around the house. Oh God. I remember that. Yeah. For my boy. Yeah. For my grand, we also said we're gonna get new furniture as soon as the kids stop peeing on it. And then now we say we're gonna get new furniture. Soons the cat stop claw it. So we're gonna get a puppy. So it's over. Yeah. Forget it. Restart. I'll have to get all new shoes. Thank you, Johnny. Have a great week. Have a good one. You as well, take care. See you.

Mikah Sargent (01:39:27):
Oh, too soon,

Leo Laporte (01:39:29):
Too soon

Mikah Sargent (01:39:29):
Too. Yeah. I was doing a gesture to go with the lyric, but the lyric doesn't come in yet.

Leo Laporte (01:39:33):
Yeah. So, okay. So if you wanna do this show, I gotta warn you. You gotta practice talking up to the, the vocals. It's very important. DJ technology. <Laugh> DJ DJ tech, eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number. Leo and Micah here. Taking your calls. Megan's online from San Memorial. San Diego. I love it. Hi Megan.

Caller 5 (01:39:54):
Hi Leo. Thank you so much for taking my call.

Leo Laporte (01:39:56):
Thanks for calling.

Caller 5 (01:39:59):
I have a question regarding apple and iTunes.

Leo Laporte (01:40:02):
That's for this guy right here. All right. Mike is our apple expert. Go ahead.

Caller 5 (01:40:07):
I've just come across a situation where I can no longer purchase songs from iTunes. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:40:13):
Tell me your credit's. No good here. Young lady. <Laugh>

Caller 5 (01:40:16):
I know it's like, no, I, oh my gosh. I updated my apple ID. I don't have apple music. I just have, you know, iTunes Uhhuh because I I'm running a window seven on my computer and I just, all of a sudden, it just asks me for additional verification and it says click billing info, Uhhuh, nothing happens. The song won't download. I talk to apple support back and forth. They keep calling me back all day. You know?

Leo Laporte (01:40:47):
Well, at least they're at least there's some human they're talking. They

Caller 5 (01:40:50):
Really have good customer support,

Leo Laporte (01:40:52):
Even if they don't fix it

Caller 5 (01:40:53):
Coming back, but they don't have a solution. And so then they're sending codes, text codes to my phone, I'll type in the code. And all of a sudden this song will start to download and I get so happy. And then that verification required comes up again. I hit billing info. That's so

Leo Laporte (01:41:08):
Frustrating happens.

Mikah Sargent (01:41:09):

Leo Laporte (01:41:10):

Mikah Sargent (01:41:10):
So frustrating. So this sounds like I I've had this. Some, a similar thing happen to me in the past. And when it happened, I was trying to buy an app and I had a credit card in my account that had expired and I didn't know it. And it caused an error at that time. And then because of the way the whole system worked, it kept just kind of re looping over. Even

Leo Laporte (01:41:33):
Though you gave it noon for

Mikah Sargent (01:41:35):
Info. Once I went in, cuz I didn't realize that that's what it was. I didn't realize that it was because the card had expired. So what I had to do was go to my iCloud account online, which you can do by opening any browser. And you can go to apple ID dot,

Caller 5 (01:41:54):
That's what I did. Yes. And my, and my, my credit card had not been expired or anything, you know, cuz they verified that through, through, you know, talking to them, they said, well put in a different credit card mm-hmm <affirmative> and we did that same thing and they, and they went onto my computer and they, they don't understand this little gray box with the additional verification. And so then they texted me codes and the songs are downloading. So it wasn't the credit card. I went to the apple ID. 

Leo Laporte (01:42:21):
How did apple leave it after all of this?

Caller 5 (01:42:24):
Yes. Apple left it with, I need to talk to my the people who run my security on my computer.

Leo Laporte (01:42:31):
Does somebody run the security on your computer security?

Caller 5 (01:42:34):
No, I told them not to. They said, oh, open your computer in safe mode. We're gonna go there. I said, you know what? I'd rather talk to my internet security provider

Leo Laporte (01:42:44):
Before. Okay. So tell me, tell me about this. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> who, who you tell me about your security? How do you have an internet security provider?

Caller 5 (01:42:52):
May I tell you who it is? Yes I have AVG.

Leo Laporte (01:42:55):
Okay. Take that right off right now. Immediately. <laugh> take that right off. You do not need any security on a Macintosh. Is it a Mac? It's

Caller 5 (01:43:04):
Not a Macintosh. I'm running. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:43:06):
You're running windows. Okay.

Caller 5 (01:43:09):
PS, you know it's

Leo Laporte (01:43:10):
Yeah. So I'm not a fan of security software of any kind cuz of things like this. However, I understand why people will use windows, wanna run it. You're you're kind of in a mine field. The good news is what version of windows? Windows 10 windows, 11

Caller 5 (01:43:26):
Windows seven.

Leo Laporte (01:43:28):
Whoa. There's your problem right there. I

Caller 5 (01:43:33):
School. I mean, I've got, I don't want apple, anything. I always, God is a nano and a, you

Mikah Sargent (01:43:37):
Say your old mini shop. What that means is you're using an unsafe operating

Leo Laporte (01:43:41):
System. Windows seven is never gonna be okay.

Caller 5 (01:43:44):
Windows seven. I, because I, I was always very happy with windows

Leo Laporte (01:43:47):
Seven. I know, but Microsoft no longer supports it.

Caller 5 (01:43:49):
Oh I know. That's why AVG is supporting it for me.

Leo Laporte (01:43:52):
No, they're not.

Caller 5 (01:43:53):
Oh, okay.

Leo Laporte (01:43:54):
<Laugh> no, they're not. Okay. So you need to go to windows 10. I'm sorry.

Caller 5 (01:43:58):
Windows 10. Oh, I was afraid of that. Cause I didn't wanna like the last call. I didn't wanna keep getting those. I hope through those settings is those

Leo Laporte (01:44:05):
You're running a 15 year old operating system and it no longer is supported. My guess is the certificates mm-hmm <affirmative> that are required by apple are not there. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, now I understand the problem. Of course, apple can't help you with windows cuz they don't know what's going on.

Caller 5 (01:44:25):
They no, in fact, and I, I talked to someone who said, oh, well we don't even have a good relationship with windows 10 operating with iTunes. He was honest. He was very, very cool.

Leo Laporte (01:44:34):
Yeah. I don't like using iTunes on on windows at all. Apple, apple is not incented to make that a working a good situation.

Caller 5 (01:44:41):
Right. And I, I, I, I heard about, you said like music monkey. I looked at that episode and I thought I could just gonna change iTunes. But the problem is a lot. I rather buy the CD personally, but sometimes now you go to buy a song and it's only available through digital downloads. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:44:58):

Caller 5 (01:44:59):
And I hate that.

Leo Laporte (01:45:00):
I hate, you know, what is even worse pretty soon. You're not even gonna be able to buy the song. You're gonna have to rent it. That's rent it. Yeah. That's basically what streaming music is. As long as you keep paying your monthly fee, you got access to all the music.

Caller 5 (01:45:12):
Is there any way that I can purchase music and I don't have Spotify? I'm not even sure if I can do it with yeah. Yeah. Windows

Leo Laporte (01:45:20):
Seven. So you can still buy digital music from other vendors. Okay. I think the problem is that it's a very old version of iTunes. They don't have up to date, version of iTunes for windows seven. Okay. And it's not, it does not have the certificates that modern iTunes needs. I don't know why apple didn't tell you that

Caller 5 (01:45:36):
They didn't, they didn't.

Leo Laporte (01:45:37):
They should. Yeah. They should have told you, they

Caller 5 (01:45:39):
Here both of you. I'm so

Leo Laporte (01:45:40):
Happy. So that's the problem. Now, if you don't want to go to windows 10, there's certainly other places you can shop for music where you can basically in the equivalent of buying the CD except it's digital. So there's comp there's websites. Like I tracks, I R a Oh, are they outta business? No, they're not. They're still there. These are high definition albums. I track, I tracks, but there's lots of places. Amazon still sells digital music. Okay. And almost any, yeah. I can't guarantee you everything that you could buy mm-hmm <affirmative> on iTunes will be there, but almost certainly on yeah. On Amazon. It will be,

Caller 5 (01:46:19):
It will be. And then what kind of library do I need to store them in? Okay. I won't be able to use iTunes. Obviously

Leo Laporte (01:46:25):
You can use iTunes to play it once you've bought it

Caller 5 (01:46:28):
So I can move it, you know? Absolutely. On it. Tracks just

Leo Laporte (01:46:32):
Import it from iTunes.

Mikah Sargent (01:46:33):
Yeah. There'll be that file import option that you can use. And you just say, Hey, this is where this music is stored. It'll import it in and you will be able to play it back. Cuz it's not trying to download from the iTunes library.

Leo Laporte (01:46:44):
There's a IX records. I'm actually, I'm giving you a list of super high quality music. If you just want regular CD quality music, Amazon's probably the best place to go. Oh

Caller 5 (01:46:54):
That's that's that's that's fantastic. And then

Leo Laporte (01:46:56):
Once you, yeah, once you buy it, you'll download the album. Okay. And, and then just import it into iTunes. You won't have any of this problem.

Caller 5 (01:47:03):
So I won't have a certificate kit problem. No,

Leo Laporte (01:47:06):
No. It's just first my library. Yeah. It's for the secure transaction, but I gotta warn you. This is gonna become more and more of a problem because windows, you know, you can't, you, you won't be able to get a modern browser. And at some point Amazon's gonna say, well, I'm sorry, but you can't go to our site in this browser. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:47:22):
Slowly but surely all of the apps that you use will start to fit, fiddle out. They'll start to not be able to work.

Leo Laporte (01:47:28):
And AVG does not protect you. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> against exploits that mm-hmm <affirmative> are not being patched. So for instance, there are a number of just recently patched windows exploits. That means you can go to a malicious website and it'll, it'll take over your computer and AVG won't even know it happened.

Caller 5 (01:47:50):
Oh yeah. I don't, I don't even search the internet really, except for the iTunes part on, on the

Leo Laporte (01:47:55):
Computer. So you, if you're just using as a music, computer to search, you know what I would suggest make the, you can continue to just take this computer offline. Okay. Make it your music player, computer. Okay. By the songs somewhere else, or only buy songs on that computer that I'll simplify it. That's what I don't do anything else for that. Then it's fine. Then it's safe. Take AVG off. You don't need that. That's not the problem. Okay. It's not gonna protect you, but if you only go to Amazon and you only buy music there, and at some point when Amazon says you can't do that, even buy it on a different computer, put it on a thumb drive, copy it over to this computer. It's completely safe to continue using this computer. As long as it's not online, it's the online part. That's dangerous.

Caller 5 (01:48:37):
So if I can buy the music and then the iTunes library itself, I can just move it in. And I don't have to worry about any of this certificate. Exactly.

Leo Laporte (01:48:45):
Exactly. Leo and Micah, your tech guys more calls right after this. Yeah. It windows. You can, you know, you can use anything obsolete a as long as it continues to work for you and you don't go online. There's no security problem. The security problem entirely comes from going online.

Caller 5 (01:49:04):
Yes. Well, I thank you so much.

Leo Laporte (01:49:07):
Oh, I'm so glad you, you called and I'm sorry that that apple didn't really understand this.

Caller 5 (01:49:13):
No, I didn't. And I really certificates issues. I totally didn't think of it, but I'm I get, I'm running windows seven. So I'm not the biggest.

Leo Laporte (01:49:21):
Yeah. Once you said that, I understand. So what is what's going on? What browser do you use?

Caller 5 (01:49:26):
Well I, well, I only browse on my Chromebook.

Leo Laporte (01:49:30):
Good, good. And then I go

Caller 5 (01:49:32):
Good. I, my big do computer. If I find a song I like, and I try to buy it through iTunes. So it is like a big kind

Leo Laporte (01:49:40):
Of, it's a jukebox, that's a jukebox. That's fine. It

Caller 5 (01:49:43):
A jukebox, every

Leo Laporte (01:49:44):
Theme. So buy music, if you really wanna be safe, buy it on the Chromebook, put it on a thumb drive or download it to a thumb drive, put it on your your windows, computer, and just disconnect the internet. And I think then it's a perfect usage for that computer. Yeah. That's great. Right. It's awesome

Mikah Sargent (01:49:58):
That you found a way to use one of these old machines.

Caller 5 (01:50:01):
Yeah. Oh, I, I have, well, my dad was a computer engineer. I miss him so much of the Leo. Thank you for being there because,

Leo Laporte (01:50:07):
Well, I'm glad I could

Caller 5 (01:50:08):
Of yours. And

Leo Laporte (01:50:10):
What was his name?

Caller 5 (01:50:12):
His name is John.

Leo Laporte (01:50:13):
Oh, I bet you miss him. Yeah,

Caller 5 (01:50:16):
He, he was yeah. Might save you so much and goodly. It's really cool to be able to talk to you. And my,

Leo Laporte (01:50:22):
I wish I could have met him. Oh,

Caller 5 (01:50:24):
He loved you. He totally loved you the weekend. It was little port,

Leo Laporte (01:50:29):
You know, he made you listen. Huh? I'm sorry, Megan. I'm

Caller 5 (01:50:31):
So I loved it too. I was like, you totally daddy's girl, you know, kind of, and I wanted to learn everything that he learned, you know?

Leo Laporte (01:50:39):
Oh, I'm so I'm so glad that

Caller 5 (01:50:42):
His old system, I try to keep all of his systems going and oh, and

Leo Laporte (01:50:47):
<Laugh> I'm gonna cry.

Caller 5 (01:50:48):

Leo Laporte (01:50:49):
No, no, you're fine. You know what, Megan? You're so sweet. And if I were your dad, I'm sure he is looking down. He's he's very happy problem. He's very happy. Oh yeah. I think that's great. Yeah. Keep that going. Just disconnected from the internet. Use your Chromebook. You're so smart to do that. That's your secure stuff. That's always gonna be safe. Yeah. And then you can, you can use iTunes is fine. If you like iTunes just to import those songs and they'll play in the library. It's what it probably is, is that iTunes is using an old technology called TLS 1.2 mm-hmm <affirmative> and they no longer supported at apple and nobody supports it. It's been deprecated. Yeah. So cuz it's not secure, not as secure as the modern ones. Wow. And this is a, this was kind of a, an ongoing tsunami that has finally come to a head, I think. And you're seeing this more and more

Caller 5 (01:51:37):
Now. Exactly. Cause we can't even find decent, you know, ways to have many players or digital players anymore. And I don't wanna walk around with a disc man. <Laugh> I have, I have like an old nano and a, and I mini shuffle, but I can't even get those to, I what's on them is on them right now. That's it? You know, but I can't even find a digital music player. That's decent. So

Leo Laporte (01:51:58):
What do you, so you want something that's as small as a nano kind of

Caller 5 (01:52:01):
Well, well, no. Yeah. Nano size, but I don't want, I don't want everything on my phone. You know, I don't want

Leo Laporte (01:52:06):
So sand disk still makes little music players.

Caller 5 (01:52:10):
I saw that, but I was trying to order one through radio shack. That was my favorite place.

Leo Laporte (01:52:14):
Oh, they're gone. <Laugh> there is, there is gone as that window seven installed. It's

Caller 5 (01:52:18):
Dream about working at radio shack. My dad and I wanted to open a franchise.

Leo Laporte (01:52:21):
Oh my gosh.

Caller 5 (01:52:22):
So, but they don't make the, the sand disc. 

Leo Laporte (01:52:26):
Amazon sells it. Amazon sells it. Yeah. Amazon sells. Yeah. It's the, it's called

Caller 5 (01:52:31):
The best option for me.

Leo Laporte (01:52:32):
Yeah. And do that on your Chromebook. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> they, they actually have a lot of good MP3 music players. They're small. They're cheap. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and you plug in headphones and you know, they, the one to get is the clip, just like the nano it's basically the copy of the nano

Caller 5 (01:52:50):
With a clip. That's cool. Yep. Yeah. Cause I also wanna, you understand, I don't want everything to be controlled by my phone. No,

Leo Laporte (01:52:56):
I understand that

Caller 5 (01:52:58):
Because it seems like the guy who puts the, the chip in his hand, like open his door and open. I don't want all that. I like things to be separate, you know, kind of autonomous. Yeah. You know, it seems easier to manage <laugh>. Yeah. Even though there's more devices

Leo Laporte (01:53:11):
When we were on the cruise to Alaska of the nerds with me, we're so excited because there was a radio shack. Oh. And, and they all went there and they all bought stuff. And I guess there's still a few radio shacks left. I don't think there's any radio shacks in the Southern California though. <Laugh>

Caller 5 (01:53:27):
Oh my goodness. There's so many stores that I miss, but radio shacks.

Leo Laporte (01:53:30):
I know about them.

Caller 5 (01:53:31):
I know. I love them. They were really good service and you know, like put, put the batteries. They used to put the batteries.

Leo Laporte (01:53:38):
Yeah. The battery club in for you. I asked them, I said, did you, did you say you remember the battery club? Did they ask for your phone number? <Laugh> well, no,

Caller 5 (01:53:44):
You gotta get your phone, your phone number, but you know that's that was, that was the go to place for, you know, for so long. Isn't it for? And then I missed tower records cuz it was so easy. Tower

Leo Laporte (01:53:55):
Records. Yeah.

Caller 5 (01:53:56):
You buy, you bought it by, you

Leo Laporte (01:53:57):
Bought music. You

Caller 5 (01:53:58):
Got a record. Oh God.

Leo Laporte (01:54:00):
You're an old soul. You're like mic. You're an old soul. Yeah. Yeah.

Caller 5 (01:54:04):
Well my goodness. Well you, I, I'm not kidding. This has been what? A joy.

Leo Laporte (01:54:09):
Oh Megan, thank you so much like

Caller 5 (01:54:10):
This. And and now my dad's looking down. He's so happy.

Leo Laporte (01:54:13):
Oh John, we love you. You your daughter's great. Well done. Well done.

Caller 5 (01:54:17):
Well, you're wonderful. And I just thank you again for all of your help. Sure. And sure. And stay well and healthy and keep on rocking the free world. You're my superhero leave. Oh my God.

Leo Laporte (01:54:29):
I love Neil young too. Good. All right. Good. We got, we got a connection there.

Mikah Sargent (01:54:32):
Thank you Megan.

Leo Laporte (01:54:33):
Thanks Megan. Take

Caller 5 (01:54:35):
Care. You too. Take care. Thank you. Bye-Bye

Leo Laporte (01:54:37):
<Laugh> yep. The tower on sunset.

Mikah Sargent (01:54:41):
I feel like I need to get one of these sand desk clips just because it's

Leo Laporte (01:54:45):
It's just so

Mikah Sargent (01:54:46):
Cute. Yeah. It's so cute.

Leo Laporte (01:54:47):
I think I have one somewhere. Good little idea. I mean, I don't know. You know, it's an MP3 player. It's not gonna sound like oh,

Mikah Sargent (01:54:53):
It's not Neil

Leo Laporte (01:54:53):
Stereos. What is, it's not the Pono. I have Pono back here for you signed by Neil. Where's my Pono. Oh, here it is. No you're gonna inherit all this too. Oh Lord. <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (01:55:09):
You've gotta take your, you need to do your world trip. Even if you have to do it alone, you need to do your world trip.

Leo Laporte (01:55:17):
It's signed by Neil.

Mikah Sargent (01:55:18):
That's really cool. Like on the back,

Leo Laporte (01:55:20):
Did you?

Mikah Sargent (01:55:20):
Oh, good. It's I was gonna

Leo Laporte (01:55:22):
Sign. Yeah. It's not that kind of signature. Its good. Yeah. I got the, that was the original Kickstarter. How

Mikah Sargent (01:55:26):
Much does it have music on it right now?

Leo Laporte (01:55:28):
Probably we should charge it up and see.

Mikah Sargent (01:55:30):
Yeah, we should USB micro. And does it have an S St SD card slot micro

Leo Laporte (01:55:35):
SD here. I'll I'll give you let's give, like get a cable here. I have so much old crap. I don't know. You know, what are we gonna do?

Mikah Sargent (01:55:49):
Oh, even as out.

Leo Laporte (01:55:51):

Mikah Sargent (01:55:51):
Yeah. Is there, what, is there a D in this?

Leo Laporte (01:55:53):
Yeah, there's a very good D and a very good amp. That's what made its special was the what's what the hell is this plugged into? <Laugh> goes back into the back of the drawer shots. Look at me. Oh, don't do that. Leo. He's gonna go into the desk next.

John Slanina (01:56:12):
I think that's just his power. I don't think it goes to your computer.

Leo Laporte (01:56:15):
No. Well here I'll plug it into this. We'll see if it gives power even.

John Slanina (01:56:21):
Well, that's the whole point of it being

Mikah Sargent (01:56:23):

John Slanina (01:56:24):
Is it still plugged in? Yeah. Excellent. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:56:27):
That's a whole charging charging. The Pono player.

Mikah Sargent (01:56:30):
Pono charging,

Leo Laporte (01:56:31):
Pono charging.

John Slanina (01:56:32):
I found a very interesting line in singularity trap.

Leo Laporte (01:56:36):

John Slanina (01:56:37):
That you can read out of context.

Leo Laporte (01:56:39):
I'm reading it right now. They just discovered something. I know what it is too. And since the human brain is a dog's breakfast of emergent properties, it's slow going. I love, I love dogs breakfast. You've never heard that before. No. Oh, it's a British a dog. It's just a mess. It's a dog's breakfast. What? By the way, what is this? A dog's B looks like a key cap. It says BGR

Mikah Sargent (01:57:07):
Boy genius report.

Leo Laporte (01:57:09):
Boy. Genius report key. Anyway. So the Pono, I wonder if this'll turn on a dog. See there's it's the Neil young limited edition 250, 1 of 500 Pono Playa. It probably has rock rock rocking in the free world on it. Is this the burger button? <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (01:57:36):
Burger button.

Leo Laporte (01:57:37):
I could use a burger run.

Mikah Sargent (01:57:39):
I am burger myself.

Leo Laporte (01:57:40):
I am the burger button. Press me and have a burger pop out. I

Mikah Sargent (01:57:45):
Don't. Was it just sitting on your desk or did you find

Leo Laporte (01:57:48):
It in a drawer? If I was sitting right here. Oh, I fell off or something. Something I don't know that it's

Mikah Sargent (01:57:57):

Leo Laporte (01:57:58):
So this is strangest beast.

Mikah Sargent (01:58:02):
Hello? And oh, am I muted? No, I'm not welcome back to the tech guy radio show with you're trying out. You're

Leo Laporte (01:58:12):
Trying out and starts different opens too.

Mikah Sargent (01:58:14):
Huh? Now? Yeah. Leo Laport and Micah Sergeant. Well's good. Ready? TOA. Oh yeah. Don't say that.

Leo Laporte (01:58:19):
Oh yeah. He owns it. <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (01:58:21):
Nevermind. Hi. Hi,

Leo Laporte (01:58:23):
That's Micah.

Mikah Sargent (01:58:24):
Oh, that's Leo. And we are your tech guys. Yeah, we answer your tech questions. See 88 88

Leo Laporte (01:58:30):
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Caller 6 (01:59:36):

Leo Laporte (01:59:37):
Hello, welcome.

Caller 6 (01:59:40):
I have a problem with Mozilla's Firefox

Leo Laporte (01:59:43):
Me too version. Oh, go ahead.

Caller 6 (01:59:45):
<Laugh> version 1 0 4. Broke the picture and picture what? On, in YouTube down. Timer's up blanking to blanking the screen.

Leo Laporte (01:59:53):
So the P I P and YouTube specifically, or all picture and picture for

Caller 6 (01:59:58):
Video, all picture and picture. When you run it on the browser,

Leo Laporte (02:00:01):
Huh? Let me just see which version I have running. Cause I use Firefox. This is my browser of choice. Yeah, it has lots of good blockers. It's a nice, nice piece of software. I think. I am running 1 0 4. That's the one you're running. That's the current version, huh?

Caller 6 (02:00:21):

Leo Laporte (02:00:22):
Any Micah has been Googling. Yeah. I'm I'm looking, don't see anything. Don't see any complaints. So what happens? You're in a video you push the button that makes it P I P that little weird square with the arrow or whatever. And it goes down. It shrinks down or no, nothing happens.

Caller 6 (02:00:41):
It goes to full screen and 180 seconds later. It blanks out and leaving. He was just listening to soundtrack

Leo Laporte (02:00:47):
Exactly. 180 seconds later. Yeah. You timed it

Caller 6 (02:00:52):

Leo Laporte (02:00:53):
Reliably. That three minute market goes. Yeah, you're done.

Caller 6 (02:00:57):

Leo Laporte (02:00:57):
That's weird. I don't have three minutes to do this, but I wanna <laugh>. I'm I'm gonna, so it, so you didn't pop out the video, you didn't do the tri the thing with the arrow, you did the full screen.

Leo Laporte (02:01:11):
Cause full screen is not the same as picture and picture, picture, and picture is small screen, little screen while you're looking at other stuff,

Caller 6 (02:01:18):
But, but it can be full size screen. Cause you resize it to that.

Leo Laporte (02:01:21):
Oh, I guess you're right. So you're doing okay. So yeah. I'm just trying to recreate your your situation here. So you're doing you, you've got a picture and picture and then you decide to expand it. Oh no, that, that takes it outta picture and picture. So I'm putting in picture and, and picture again and then you stretch it to full screen. Why do you do that? Just outta curiosity. <Laugh> I mean, why not just go full screen?

Caller 6 (02:01:49):
Well, when I'm watching Turner classic movies. Yeah. I don't like all the other stuff that comes up across the bottom of the screen all the time. Got it. Well, this one needs it reliably a clear screen.

Leo Laporte (02:02:02):
Okay. So I've got picture and picture and then I'm gonna zoom it to a larger thing without a lot of junk on the bottom. Do you, do you hide Firefox? Do you hide it so you can just have the desktop in the picture or do you not do that?

Caller 6 (02:02:17):
No, it just, it just lays over top of Firefox.

Leo Laporte (02:02:19):
Right? It's over on top of everything. So you're manually stretching it open.

Caller 6 (02:02:25):
Yeah. I have a go to, to full screen and using oh,

Leo Laporte (02:02:30):
Oh, chat room. Might have it. Clever chat room.

Caller 6 (02:02:33):

Leo Laporte (02:02:34):
Cause it's you said exactly at three minutes, they're wondering maybe your screen savers kicking in.

Caller 6 (02:02:40):
Oh, oh,

Leo Laporte (02:02:42):
Oh. You know, cause that's that's on a timer,

Mikah Sargent (02:02:45):
Right? Yes. And if you don't do full screen, then the computer doesn't know that you're playing a video. It goes. And so it thinks you're just going to sleep. Versus if you go into actual, full screen, any application is going to tell the computer, Hey, I'm watching a video full

Leo Laporte (02:02:58):
Screen. I'm watching here. Yeah. Oh, I bet you that's what it is. So you have a couple of choices. You could disable the screensaver, but you could also set up a hot corner, a place where you move the mouse to disable the screensaver. And that way it won't kick in. Even if you're not active. I think, I think that's a clever solution. Thanks to bill and Michigan in our IRC who suggested that you could also get a mouse. Jiggler remember, remember Dick Bartolo, the mouse jiggler will keep, keep your machine from sleeping. It

Mikah Sargent (02:03:30):
Is odd that it's only started as of Firefox 1 0 4. So there could be a bug in it. That's preventing Firefox from saying, Hey, I'm playing a video telling the computer. Hey. Yeah, because it

Leo Laporte (02:03:39):
Worked before. Didn't it? Yeah. I'm working here. I'm watching. All right. Well give that a shot anyway. Take a look at that and see if that's it. And if it's not, I don't know. Why do you use, why do you use Firefox out of curiosity? Tom, what, what is it about Firefox you like, instead of say Chrome or edge or internet

Caller 6 (02:04:00):
Explorer, if it can, it doesn't need you 10,000 advertisements.

Leo Laporte (02:04:03):
I agree. <Laugh> I agree. I love it. Do you run a ad blocker in addition to Firefox or just use its own blocking? No. It's enough its own. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I agree. I'm and it's it's to me it feels fast. I'll tell you the other reason I like Firefox Chrome is eating the world, right? Mm-Hmm <affirmative> every browser. There're really only two browsers now left in the world. There's Chrome and everything from internet, from edge Microsoft's browser to Vivaldi, to everybody's using Chrome or brave is another one. Or if you're on apple, you're gonna be using web kit, which is Apple's safari engine. But I wanna make sure there's competition out there. I wanna make sure there's a third and Mozilla is open source. I wanna support them. So I really, I, I use Mozilla as much of as a political statement, Firefox as a political statement as a, as a browser.

Leo Laporte (02:05:00):
And it happens to be a very good browser. I do run an ad blocker with it. You block origin as my AdBlocker of choice. It also blocks I run it in strict mode. If you go in the settings, you'll see, you can turn on strict mode which breaks some sites. That might be another thing to check, to try stepping the privacy protections down if you have it in strict mode. But I like that because it, it turns off all trackers, cookies, tracking, content, crypto miners, finger printers, all of that stuff is blocked. And even has a sandboxes, Facebook like buttons and things like that. So you're not sending a signal back to Facebook that you're you're there, you know, you're on that website and I don't, I don't have a Facebook account, but even if you don't have a Facebook account, Facebook kind of tracks you through those thumbs up buttons all over the internet. So that's what I like. Firefox. What do you use Micah?

Mikah Sargent (02:05:52):
I mostly a safari guy because you're a Mac. It works across all my devices. Yeah. With Firefox as my backup browser for when I need to, especially for Google meet and all that kind of stuff.

Leo Laporte (02:06:01):
Safari has many of the same blocking capabilities. My problem with is it's apple only. Yep. And it's great. If you only use apple devices, the bookmark sync, everything syncs, it works fine. It's a very fast it sips on batteries. So it's great for laptops, but because I also use windows, Linux, other machines I use Firefox cuz it does sink across all sinking all of those.

Mikah Sargent (02:06:21):
Yeah. If I have to bounce between devices as well, I will use Firefox because of how well it sinks.

Leo Laporte (02:06:27):
Another thought from Burke he says, if you're BA this three minutes is the clue, right? That happens precisely at 180 seconds. If you've got if you're on battery power, it could be your power, your battery savings, power savings could be doing that. So you might check those power saving settings. But again, and this is what we're always looking for. When we, we take your calls, always looking for that little clue. And we said it happens in 180 seconds.

Mikah Sargent (02:06:53):
Yeah. Good for you for measuring that thinking measure. That's yeah. That's

Leo Laporte (02:06:56):
That is a sign as something something's happening every three

Mikah Sargent (02:06:59):
Minutes talking to us

Leo Laporte (02:07:00):
Today, something's talking to us. We just

Mikah Sargent (02:07:01):
Gotta pull on that.

Leo Laporte (02:07:02):
Stop talking. <Laugh> I'm working. I'm watching here. 88, 88. Ask Leo that's the phone number. If you have a question, a comment, a suggestion. When we come back, I will talk a little bit about last pass. If you use it as your password manager you might be interested to know there was a breach, but you'll also be relieved to know it doesn't seem to affect your security. We'll talk a little more about that. When we come back Leo and Micah, your tech guys note the time check event viewer. That's good too. Rinardo that's a good, good, always a good idea. Leo LaPorte, Mica Sergeant your tech guys. 88 88. Ask Leo Tom's on the line from Carson city. Oops.

Mikah Sargent (02:07:49):

Leo Laporte (02:07:49):
Done. He's gone. We did Tom. We've got, now we got Matt in SIM valley. Sorry about that. Hi Matt.

Caller 7 (02:07:56):
Hey, I got a quick question. I'm trying to get a doorbell, but I don't wanna have monthly subscription. So I've been looking,

Leo Laporte (02:08:03):
I don't don't blame you.

Caller 7 (02:08:04):
Yeah, the G4 unify, but I don't know what else to buy with it to make it work.

Leo Laporte (02:08:09):
Oh, you need a lot with that. You dependent. <Laugh> so G the G4 unify, which is a great video doorbell, it's part of a home security system created by ubiquity. So they are gonna expect you to have a ubiquity router. They're gonna expect you to have something called P OE power over ethernet. So that means you're gonna have to get a Poe device on the other end. That's what powers the doorbell? That's a little complicated. It's a little complicated. I, I use ubiquity at home. I love ubiquity. I don't have any hesitation recommending it, but you're gonna now need to have a new router in your life.

Caller 7 (02:08:48):
Is there any other options that you recommend that don't require a monthly subscription that can have local storages that I can access I'm west coast and east coast. Are

Mikah Sargent (02:08:57):
You, are you an apple user or are you an Android user?

Caller 7 (02:09:00):
Android. Okay. And apple, I have an iPad and that'll

Mikah Sargent (02:09:04):
Work. Okay. So yeah, there are two options that you could use. There's a, a device from Logitech called the circle view doorbell. And there is a device from net atmo that is just called the smart video doorbell. Each of these works with apples home kit, secure video. And so this type of, of storage system it's local. So it would work with your iPad in this case, and it doesn't require a monthly subscription in order to use it. So even though Logitech and NetApp mode probably both offer a subscription service, you don't actually need those services in order to use this camera. Apple does a very has a very clear rules on these devices being able to be used without needing to even download the third party app. So this would let all of that kind of happen locally on your network. And you wouldn't have to worry about that external storage. The only thing that you'd need to be aware of is that it's not going to keep that video forever and ever, and ever, it sort of has a pocket that it keeps that will continually get updated. So if you're wanting full and complete control and regular sort of backups, then yeah, that ubiquity options,

Leo Laporte (02:10:18):
There's one other product that doesn't require home kit that I comes from a company I like called UFI EU. Oh yeah. FY that that's their division of anchor, which makes some great stuff. UFI has a video doorbell that doesn't have have a subscription because it, you get a base station and the base station has 16 gigabytes on it, of local storage. So that's what it's connected to. It doesn't continuously stream. But it will record when there's motion, you know, you see something there, somebody rings, obviously somebody rings the doorbell and they say, you know, you can do 90 days of recordings. If you do 25 recordings a day, each lasting 15 seconds, I would certainly check out the specs of, of either of these, but the UFI does not require. And I like, UFI good. Company's

Mikah Sargent (02:11:10):
These are new. I didn't know that it's a base station doing doorbells.

Leo Laporte (02:11:12):
That's great. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody's getting into this business. Yeah, go ahead.

Caller 7 (02:11:16):
Do you know if any of these are remote accessible? Are they all remote accessible? Cause it's for a house that I have on the east coast and then, ah, the west coast

Mikah Sargent (02:11:25):
U fees, definitely remote accessible Logitech. Would probably, I, I would hesitate with the other two because they're probably going to require you using the app, but from what I'm seeing here with the UFI yeah, it is remote accessible as long as you've got that that the base station. Yeah. The base station. Thank you.

Leo Laporte (02:11:42):
So the that's the reason you pay a subscription for the rest of these is they put it on their servers and you're paying, you know, I have a hello doorbell from Google's nests division. I've used the ring doorbell. In both cases, you can use the ring doorbell without a subscription, but you won't have access to any recordings cuz that's what you're paying for.

Caller 7 (02:12:01):
One other question is if I decided throw the towel and just pay for the subscription, which one would you recommend? I

Leo Laporte (02:12:06):
Like the hello from Google very, very much. And they have a fairly, if you do other nest cameras they have a one, one size fits all subscription. That's not too expensive. And you, you know, I have multiple cameras, both here in the studio and at home. I have a doorbell, so there's a lot of stuff going on. It also, I mean both Google and Amazon's ring. Yeah. You know, there's this issue of they hand over or might hand over videos to law enforcement, if they're, you know, properly. If, if you ask 'em pretty please they there may be some privacy issues with the Google. Hello? Because it does do face recognition. I like that because it ties into my Google nest home hub, the screen, the Google assistant screen. And it'll actually say, you know, Joe's at the door and show me a picture. It'll say, Hey, there's a package been left at the door and I can see the package. So there's some advantage to that. So you're using it for home security when you're not in that house. Is that it

Caller 7 (02:13:06):
Right? Yeah. I just want be able to occasionally see if the yard guy came by and did the mowing.

Leo Laporte (02:13:12):
I think this U fee's probably a really, really good choice. There's some really nice features. It has two cameras. One of the problems with a lot of these doorbells is they have this super wide view. And it's kind of fish eye. This has a package camera as well as that big wide view. I don't know if you care about that. And it will alert you and yeah, you can do it over the internet. So I, I guess that's probably everything you'd want. It looks pretty good. I haven't, I haven't tried it. I've tried the ring in the hello.

Mikah Sargent (02:13:39):
This is looking pretty good. This might be the, the one that I go with, it's also got,

Leo Laporte (02:13:43):
We should, we should get it and, and review it is what we should do. So if you wanna get this, let me know. It's

Mikah Sargent (02:13:47):
Got radar motion detection in it, which is nice. So, which is cool back on the amount of times, it bothers you, which

Leo Laporte (02:13:53):
Is great. Yeah. Delivery guard. Get notified. You're not gonna get any packages when you're not home. I presume you just wanna know what the garden using Gardners

Caller 7 (02:14:00):
Up there. Repurposed old cell phones.

Leo Laporte (02:14:02):
Oh, that's interesting.

Caller 7 (02:14:03):
They would overheat and then shut down. That's right. And then I couldn't restart. That's the app when I was away. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (02:14:09):
That's right. 2.4 gigahertz is one limitation. It doesn't do five gigahertz. So it will connect to your, your wifi router. You don't have to hardwire it to the base. I think it's a, I think it's looks like a pretty good. I love it. That you don't have to have a subscription. 

Caller 7 (02:14:25):
And that's the UFI one

Leo Laporte (02:14:27):

Mikah Sargent (02:14:27):
Yeah. We'll include a link in the show, along with links to the other offerings, including the one that Leo mentioned, that's now called the nest doorbell no longer called the

Leo Laporte (02:14:37):
Hello. They don't, they call hello anymore. I thought they stopped calling it nest. Okay. Now it's, I'm very confused. It is

Mikah Sargent (02:14:42):
Very confusing.

Leo Laporte (02:14:43):
<Laugh> why w Y Z also makes doorbells. They make a lot of cameras that usually record locally. I don't know if their doorbell reports

Mikah Sargent (02:14:51):
Locally. I just hesitate to recommend, recommend anything from they

Leo Laporte (02:14:54):
Had a security problem, which they kept quiet for a while, but you know, I think they've been chasing <laugh>. That would be another one to look as the wise video doorbell. I don't know if you need a subscription for that. It's an optional, let's put it that way. It's an optional subscription.

Caller 7 (02:15:11):
Thank you very much for

Leo Laporte (02:15:12):
The information. A pleasure. Thanks for calling. That's what we're here for. If nobody calls, we've got nothing to do. <Laugh> 88 88, ask Leo we'll put links to all this stuff at the website. As I mentioned tech guy labs, as Micah mentioned, tech guy This is episode 1921. When you go to tech guy, you're actually, we shut down the old site. You're now going to our podcast site. You'll see it automatically redirects to And while you're there, look around cuz we have other shows. We have Micah's show, which is all for, for people who love iOS iOS. Today. He does that with a wonderful Rosemary orchard. We you also do tech news weekly, a weekly news show. We have a news round table this week in tech Mac break, weekly windows, weekly, a lot of podcasts for you. All of that at tech guy Leo and Micah. We're gonna take a break, come back with more calls in just a bited storage and advanced AI detection with subscription. Yeah. I'm sure that they, they they've moved kind of to that subscription model. Yep. Unfortunately, unfortunately unfortu, oh, time saying the same thing as, as the cop king <laugh> unfortunately everything's going <inaudible>

Mikah Sargent (02:16:34):
<Laugh> yeah. Apps and apps too. Like

Leo Laporte (02:16:38):
Every, I didn't mention this week in Google. I didn't mention security now, nor did I mention this week in space. Spank me nor did I mention hands on Macintosh,

Mikah Sargent (02:16:48):
Hands on windows,

Leo Laporte (02:16:49):
The untitled Linux show and the GI fizz. No. Did I mention any of that Pono powered by eh,

Mikah Sargent (02:16:59):
Powered by Neil himself?

Leo Laporte (02:17:00):
Neil powered by the young. Hello? Hello Pono.

Mikah Sargent (02:17:08):
A Y R E is

Leo Laporte (02:17:09):
Out that. Yeah. Hello? Puno where you have good eyes. Youthful eyes. <Laugh> here we go. It's putting up. Here we go. It's putting up. Haha. Ha is

Mikah Sargent (02:17:21):
It Android?

Leo Laporte (02:17:23):
No, it's got its own. Oh, scanning music library, right? Oh, it's got its own operating system. Actually it might be Android. Actually. I think it might be you're right. Look at this. Nothing. Can't be right

Mikah Sargent (02:17:40):

Leo Laporte (02:17:40):
There's some music, no salt, no songs, no playlists, nothing. Oh, did I take the I might have taken the thing out. Yeah. There's no problem. Oh, that's why I <laugh>. I took the, I took the S micro SD card out.

Mikah Sargent (02:17:57):
Mom. You

Leo Laporte (02:17:57):
So there's nothing on it. Would you like to borrow it?

Mikah Sargent (02:17:59):
I would like to borrow it. I'd

Leo Laporte (02:18:00):
Well, there you go. You Pono play

Mikah Sargent (02:18:04):
Info in

Leo Laporte (02:18:05):
Firmware high quality. I'd listen to no, it's the Ivan hole. D DBA Pono music. 2014 to 2015 from 1 0 6. Oh, I wanna, I dunno if it's got update, update hack. I know, right? I Apache license. Wow. So I don't think it is

Mikah Sargent (02:18:22):
Yeah, that doesn't sound

Leo Laporte (02:18:23):
Like it. I don't think it is. I think it's its own open source thing. Huh? Anyway, here you go. Ladi. Here's the porno player for you. Thanks. I'll put some, some music on that there.

Mikah Sargent (02:18:42):
Oh, there is one song. Heart of gold from Neil young.

Leo Laporte (02:18:44):
It comes with yeah. Neil young. Wait a minute. Revealer. I think the whole album's on there.

Mikah Sargent (02:18:49):
Oh, is that an album?

Leo Laporte (02:18:50):
I I think or no, maybe just one song. That's hysterical. Wouldn't that be funny? What's revealer. Revealer. Heart of Gould. Yes. Just one song. Oh, what switch? Resolution lossy. Compressed file. Oh, this is to, oh, this is so you can see the difference. It has all different versions of the that's. Cool. Song's so you can listen to it and see if you can tell that's. That is cool. Yeah. That's what he used. When he was pitching this, he'd go around to musicians in his electric Cadillac and say, would you like to listen to some music? <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (02:19:32):

Leo Laporte (02:19:32):
Yeah. Let me see what the, I put no

Mikah Sargent (02:19:34):
Fun of music on here.

Leo Laporte (02:19:36):
Pono player, firmware lossless stream studio. I own a pero player, which is great when it comes to sound but has crappy firmware. <Laugh> my idea is to craft a fake update file, huh? Oh, interesting. Maybe the Pono is Android. It's gingerbread. Oh, Ooh. That's not good. That's not good. How to upgrade Pono latest firmware. 20, 22. Yeah. Oh yeah. There is up 2 0 2, 2 0 1. Do you know this song? No.

Mikah Sargent (02:20:22):
Okay. Actually I might know this song, but oh yeah, of course. I know this song. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:20:26):
Oh, scoop there. Hey, scoop. It's that ice cream song.

Mikah Sargent (02:20:30):
It's not scoop folks. It's whoop <laugh> w H O

Leo Laporte (02:20:35):
O P <laugh>. I'm glad they brought those guys back to do that. Commercial. Ah, scoop. Daddy is LA

Mikah Sargent (02:20:44):

Leo Laporte (02:20:44):
Chocolate chips.

Mikah Sargent (02:20:45):
Oh my God.

Leo Laporte (02:20:47):
<Laugh> 88 88. Ask Leo. You know, it's funny. I can vividly remember this commercial, the song, the whole thing. I have no idea. What was a commercial for no idea. Do you mm-hmm you remember the commercial though, right? No. Oh, you don't what

Mikah Sargent (02:20:59):
You're talking about. I have no idea

Leo Laporte (02:21:02):

Mikah Sargent (02:21:02):
You're talking about. Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:21:04):
88, 88. Ask Leo. If you would like to have an idea of what we're talking about, give us a call and ask

Mikah Sargent (02:21:11):
And tell us what

Leo Laporte (02:21:11):
We're talking about. Tell us what we're talking about. Let's see. We're gonna go now to kava Michigan. Nathan's online. Am I saying that right? Kava Calva Calva Calva yeah. Calva Calva Michigan among all the states has the most cities that you can't pronounce unless you are from Michigan.

Caller 2 (02:21:29):

Leo Laporte (02:21:30):
Is that a test

Caller 2 (02:21:31):
Around here?

Leo Laporte (02:21:32):
I think that's a test, right? To see if you're a Michigander

Caller 2 (02:21:35):
<Laugh> yep, yep. Goes through the territory.

Leo Laporte (02:21:38):
<Laugh> it's Mackinaw buddy. Get outta here. So what can I what can I do for you, Nathan?

Caller 2 (02:21:44):
I am irritated, but this phone that I have, I had a iPhone 11 first time ever own an apple product. I was always an Android guy, long story short. My daughter talked me into, you know, signing up for the Verizon buy or get one, whatever. Anyways, I got an iPhone 11. I lost it couple weeks ago. My cousin, let me borrow his old Motorola C4 or something. It

Leo Laporte (02:22:12):
Was, oh my goodness.

Caller 2 (02:22:14):
Yeah. Yeah. I used that for a couple days. Got another iPhone 11, but this was the pro that I got now that I'm talking on. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and my question is my I, my first iPhone 11, I never dropped hardly any calls anywhere I was at. And I'm in a rural area up here. And it was great for service. Great for internet had no problem getting on the internet. No problem. Calling people. This one I got right now, I'm surprised I'm talking to you to tell you the truth. Cause every time I call it drops, I can't call like 80% of the time. I cannot get on the internet unless I'm on wireless wifi. And I don't know if it, would it be the phone or it shouldn't be a set.

Leo Laporte (02:23:01):
It would. It would be the phone was,

Mikah Sargent (02:23:03):
Yeah, it

Leo Laporte (02:23:04):
Would. It's this old G4 that you got. That's not a very good phone. I mean, it's just outta date.

Caller 2 (02:23:09):
Oh, I got, I, I got the new, I got it. New iPhone.

Leo Laporte (02:23:11):
Oh, you got a new one? What'd

Caller 2 (02:23:13):
You get? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. My iPhone 11. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:23:16):
You got another one. You got a new 11. Okay.

Caller 2 (02:23:18):
Yeah. Well

Leo Laporte (02:23:19):
Then on that, I don't know, was

Mikah Sargent (02:23:20):
The iPhone 11, the one that had the two different models secretly where one was CDMA and the other one was, you know, depending on which one, because what I'm wondering is you said the iPhone 11, the non-pro one worked fine. You were able to get a connection, get a signal and service and all of that. Yeah. You you've got this pro now I think it was either iPhone 10 or iPhone 11 where apple had two different chips, depending on which carrier

Leo Laporte (02:23:45):
You were with, they had Intel or Qualcomm or something like that. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (02:23:48):
Yeah. And that could be, what's causing the difference here.

Leo Laporte (02:23:51):
Who's your carrier. First of all,

Caller 2 (02:23:53):
That Verizon,

Leo Laporte (02:23:54):
Verizon. And okay. So Verizon's usually pretty good.

Caller 2 (02:24:00):
And I took the chip from that Motorola that was in

Leo Laporte (02:24:04):
Index. Okay. So the first thing I would do is first thing I would, it does work, but the chip, which is your so-called SIM card identifies you, you do want a chip. That is, that has all the capabilities. That phone is capable of. It's the same chip you're using in the old iPhone 11.

Caller 2 (02:24:22):

Leo Laporte (02:24:23):
Okay. Go into the Verizon store.

Caller 2 (02:24:26):
That SIM card. I lost all that.

Leo Laporte (02:24:28):
Oh yeah, yeah. That's right. You lost it. Of course. Go into that store and get a new SIM card. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>

Caller 2 (02:24:33):
SIM card. Yeah. That's what I was wondering. But I went to the Verizon store the other day and the girl kind of act like I was dumb or something like that. Wasn't gonna make a difference. And she said, well, we'll reset that that's probably the problem. So they did a reset, I guess, which I'm not a text savvy guy. I don't know about

Leo Laporte (02:24:54):
All this. Yeah. But that's no excuse for her being rude. That's terrible.

Caller 2 (02:24:57):
Well, that's what I kind of thought. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:25:00):
No, she, she should be helpful. You're spending a lot of money for Verizon. It's the, it's the, you know, champagne of cell phone carriers.

Caller 2 (02:25:09):
Well, that's what kind of irritated me. Yeah. You know, I, I was I was like, I, I, I don't even want it no more to that point. You know that I, I, every time I I'm in my truck right now I'll pulled over because every time it seems like I move. Yeah. It drops the call.

Leo Laporte (02:25:27):
So understand that cell phones, you know as you drive, you're handing off and if it doesn't have great coverage in your area, it could drop. But, but you didn't have this problem on the old Motorola or your old iPhone. Right. So, no, it's and you're in the same area. So I'm really do think it's the phone. The reset was a good start. I would go in and demand. 

Mikah Sargent (02:25:48):
Yeah. If you kind of go in saying, I need a new SIM for this.

Leo Laporte (02:25:51):
Yeah. So we already reset it. Didn't fix it. I'm still getting a lot of dropping. I'm thinking of changing carriers and then they will, then they will do something I think cuz that

Caller 2 (02:26:00):
Yeah, you mentioned that there was different two different chips or something. Do I have to tell them don't

Leo Laporte (02:26:07):
One? I wouldn't worry about

Mikah Sargent (02:26:08):
That was kind of a, that was just a, an observation we needed to make for the sake of kind of narrowing down what it could be. I, yeah, you, that's something you, you wouldn't need to worry about here.

Caller 2 (02:26:18):
Okay. All so yeah. I'll start there then. I guess, all right. Yeah. It had me be welded. Like I, they

Leo Laporte (02:26:27):
Should, I mean, look, it's their job. You're spending a lot of money with Verizon. It's their job to make your phone work and you, and you're always, you've always got the option of saying, you know, I'm about to give up Verizon because of this. I, you know,

Caller 8 (02:26:40):
And that's the, that was my next step.

Leo Laporte (02:26:42):
Yeah. I hope you don't get the same customer rep that you got last time. That's the other thing, you know, maybe she was having a bad day.

Mikah Sargent (02:26:49):
Yeah. Sometimes it's the person

Leo Laporte (02:26:50):
That you talking about. Maybe she's just not very good. Maybe she didn't know what was going on. Maybe get another person, keep going back till you get it fixed cuz you, it should, you're paying for it. It should work.

Caller 8 (02:27:00):
I appreciate it.

Leo Laporte (02:27:01):
Yeah. And I, and by the way, long time, user of Verizon with an iPhone 11, a 12 and a 13 <laugh> and I haven't had any problems with it. So I think it's, I think it's, you've just gotta get that working. Right.

Caller 8 (02:27:14):
Okay. All right. I really appreciate it.

Leo Laporte (02:27:16):
All right. Hey, it's good to talk to you. Yeah. We you know, I have one of the reasons I have all carriers is so that I can, you can talk about it. Yeah. This iPhone's on a T-Mobile but Lisa's iPhone is on Verizon and she loves it works great. So I, I think it's probably the phone, not the, not the carrier. So Mackinaw Sue, Saint Marie Onin. Whoa, Charlo, Charlo. Doah Jack <laugh> Okas IPS. Salanti <laugh>

Mikah Sargent (02:27:54):
I'm just, okay. These are starting to sound like curses or

Leo Laporte (02:27:56):
Something. Yeah. Yeah. It's Michigan. The names of Michigan towns and landmarks are just difficult or streets, even

Mikah Sargent (02:28:03):

Leo Laporte (02:28:03):
Even. Yeah. M I L a N Southeastern city in Michigan.

Mikah Sargent (02:28:08):
It's not Milan.

Leo Laporte (02:28:10):
No, it's Milan Milan.

Mikah Sargent (02:28:12):
Milan. Oh my Atlanta,

Leo Laporte (02:28:14):
I think. Oh my Atlanta 88, 88 ley. I think <laugh> but I know now it's Veva. Okay. Got that one. Got that one, right? Yeah. Ignore that E yeah. Nor ignore the E is silent or something. <Laugh> Hamtramck. I did know that one. Hoping that sounds like a con like a muscle can Hamtramck is good. Yeah. I don't know. There's no. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Hamtramck. Gaylor, not gay Lord. Nope. Gay. Shaer <laugh> not showing our, you know, you just gotta get him right. 88, 88 as Leo is the phone number who's coming up. Oh, before we go to that, I did say we were gonna talk about last pass. Oh yeah. That's right. Last pass. They took a couple of weeks. Bleeping computer said I've heard their last pass was hacked. Took 'em a couple of weeks to confirm it.

Leo Laporte (02:29:04):
But just the other day, last pass did say yes, somebody got into last pass. They got source code, which is the code for the software. They did not last pass says as far as we can tell, get passwords, password vaults, anything that would affect your security. So as far as we know, and as far as last pass says if you are a last pass customer, it's the number one password manager. You're okay. And we'll certainly keep our eye on that, but they say no passwords were stolen in the, the data breach. They didn't access passwords. They didn't access vaults. They got source code have fun with that. <Laugh> Dick de Bartolo Mads writer and our gizmo wizard will disco dance hiss way onto our floor in just a moment.

Leo Laporte (02:30:06):
Here he is boogieing across the floor. <Laugh> what, what, where did the word boogie come from? I wonder boogie book, Dick bogie, boogie, boogie, bogie, woogie. <Laugh> that doesn't really answer the question. Dick, Dick D Marto. That's true. True magazines. Mad writer. And our boogie woogie bugler boy <laugh> joins us every week to give us a gizmo or gadget. That's why we call him our gizmo wizard or GWiz. Hello? Dickie D Leo. How you know, I just came up with a new term. Yes. A new tech term. Yes. So when, when a company is hacked. Yeah. But they don't get passwords or information from customers that's called breach light breach light. <Laugh> it's a breach light. Yeah. It's a, it's a breach, but I don't normally report on breaches because there's so many of them mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. You know, it's almost not worth even, you know, mentioning, but because last pass is, you know, a lot of people's huge. Yeah. They're the number one password manager. And a lot of people rely on 'em for security. I just wanted to reassure people at least so far. Doesn't look like there's any problem. Yeah. Yeah. So what's up in your world? Oh, well, you know, Leo, I have a, a neat little gadget compliments of

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:18):
Sound core. Now they released,

Leo Laporte (02:31:21):
We were just talking about anchor.

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:22):
Oh, you have them

Leo Laporte (02:31:22):
Too. Well, no, but I know, I know anchor's stuff. We were talking about UFI and sound core. They have they've spun out these brands. And I think they're good. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:32):
A week ago we went to a press briefing on these new earbuds and they were released on Thursday and Friday, about eight in the morning. Fedex rings my bell and they said, well, now you can try them yourself. And they're called the space a 40, the smallest lightest earbuds that sound cores ever made. I put him on my scale, the earbuds themselves, I don't have a very accurate scale. It keeps going between 0.03 ounces. Wow. And 0.04 ounces. <Laugh> wait a minute. So the earbuds

Leo Laporte (02:32:09):
That's like a butterflies wings.

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:11):
<Laugh> that is they're tiny guys. Wow. So now the earbuds, so you even can even shield them in your

Leo Laporte (02:32:19):
Ear. Do you know you're wearing them?

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:22):
Y you know, you wear them only because they are the tightest fitting earbuds I ever had.

Leo Laporte (02:32:28):
Actually. That's good. I know that sounds bad, but that's actually good, right?

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:31):
Yeah. And there's six mics in there for automatic noise reduction. Oh. So it's almost like putting on noise reduction headphones. Ah, but there is in the app, in the app, you can hit transparency mode, if you want some outside noise in there while you're walking on the streets the whole package with the charging case and the earbuds weighs four ounces.

Leo Laporte (02:32:57):
Wow. Wow. Yeah. And the charging case gives you how many hours?

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:02):
Another four times. So it's 50 hours total. Wow. And now is in the year. <Laugh>.

Leo Laporte (02:33:08):
Wow. That's a lot. Isn't

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:09):
It? That's a lot. That's

Leo Laporte (02:33:10):
Like a whole it's worth of listening.

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:12):
Yeah. And the chase, the, the case is USBC or wireless. Oh. Lies. And just, just the last I stood it on my standup phone charger and it charged the case. Oh. So that's, I was going, I was going to dig out an old flat pad. You get five, it, it comes with the mediums already inserted into the earbuds, which turned out to be exactly what I needed, but there's four are the pair from, yeah. This is a love, extra small.

Leo Laporte (02:33:45):
This is so important. Yeah. Cuz the seal determines how good the base is. If you ask me, I think. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:51):
Yeah. Now this, they were talking about this being a very special thing. AAC, L DAC,

Leo Laporte (02:34:00):

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:02):
<Laugh>. Okay. Available only to Android. So it's the first time that Androids have something that I guess iPhone doesn't 99 bucks, 99, 99. And they went out,

Leo Laporte (02:34:19):
See, that's a great price. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:21):
Two 40. I think it is

Mikah Sargent (02:34:23):
For Apple's version.

Leo Laporte (02:34:24):
Airpod pro with noise cancellation 250 bucks. Yeah. Yeah. This

Mikah Sargent (02:34:28):
Is a really good price. So it sounds like a budget friendly option for folks who want to have that active noise cancellation. If you're on Android, then you can use that. Basically it's a higher quality Bluetooth codex so that you can hear the music a lot better. Well, you know, some say <laugh>

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:45):
And yeah, yeah. I know they were pointing out. The only other headphones that have them, that they knew of was Sony at 2 49 and techniques at 2 29. So they, the first to get it on earbuds under 99, 99 black Navy and white are the choices.

Leo Laporte (02:35:04):
Nice. Now, if you wanna know more about these Dick's got a link at his website, GI whiz, G I Z w I Z dot B I Z. That's a site click the button that says the GI whiz visits, the tech guy, that's a big blue button on the right. But you can also go there and see the stuff he shows on world news. Now I bet you'll show these on world news now at some point, these these are pretty

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:28):
Yeah. Probably for Christmas, for holiday shopping. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:35:31):
Yeah. He also has a fun page called what the heck is it? We are almost to the bitter end.

Leo Laporte (02:35:39):
Yes. On this night stick or whatever it is. <Laugh> it's something it's a closeup of a gadget or a gizmo. You have to the end of the month, three more days, four more days to identify now. Here's how it works. There's full rules on the website, but essentially he's got 18 autograph copies of mad magazine. And he'll give six for the correct answer up to 12 for the best wrong answer, the funnest wrong answer. And if they're more than a, that they'll have, you know, a drawing or whatever, and you're playing for this edition of mad magazine, the Poltergeist edition here. Oh, I get it. This is probably like the October issue. Huh?

Dick DeBartolo (02:36:22):
That is correct.

Leo Laporte (02:36:24):
I get, sir. So you're playing now for well, but you'll get it as soon as

Dick DeBartolo (02:36:30):
That's that's what will, yeah, we'll be sending him out. Nice. September 1st or second,

Leo Laporte (02:36:35):
I always ask Dick. Dick's been in every copy of mad magazine for the last, how many years? 50 years.

Dick DeBartolo (02:36:42):
51 years.

Leo Laporte (02:36:43):
Wow. So I always ask, what, what do you have in this one?

Dick DeBartolo (02:36:47):
I think I have four things in there, but I can't remember. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:36:51):
That's what happens after 51 years

Dick DeBartolo (02:36:53):
And yes. And in December. Yeah, there will be some original material because December mad marks, 70 years of mad.

Leo Laporte (02:37:07):
Wow. Wow. Wow. Did you do the parody of the, the shining called the Shiner? No, I know you do movie parodies. I did a, I did a, I did a parody of, oh, there, there was a, a TV show called medium tedium. You mean <laugh> yes. So, well that that's was my tech TV. Medium was, was a show about a, a medium who would help solve crimes, help the police. I think I've seen that show. I told it, I, I love, so I guess I just have one thing in that issue. I grew up on mad my whole life. I've read this guy. And and didn't even know that someday I would get his rejected gadgets. <Laugh> Dick did. If only I'd known as a small child forking over my 35 cents for mad magazine. Yeah. That would be working together for 18 years.

Leo Laporte (02:38:08):
18 coming February. My word, February 20, 20 goodness. 18 years. Dick has a great podcast,, weekly podcast. And of course don't forget lots of other stuff on his website, including mad memorabilia and match game memorabilia, GI Thank you, Dickie D thank you, buddy. I'll see you next week. I'll see you next week. Don't forget to play the, what the heck is it contest last chance? The time is ticking. Hey, speaking of time, ticking, I think the clock on the wall says, huh, says <laugh> it's well, it's over your shoulder. That's why you can't see. It says it's time to go. Oh, Micah Sergeant you'll find his shows on, including the iOS today show at two TV slash iOS mm-hmm <affirmative> and tech news weekly And of course he joins us every Saturday to back. Stop me to help me get it right. Thank you, Michael, for being here. You're very welcome. Appreciate it. Thanks to our musical director, professor Laura Kim Scher, our phone angel. Of course, thanks to you for being here. Couldn't do it without you. Thanks for calling and listening. I'm Leo LaPorte, your tech guy. We'll see you next time. Have a great key week. Goodbye.

Leo Laporte (02:39:26):
Well, that's it for the tech guy show for today. Thank you so much for being here and don't forget twit T I, it stands for this week at tech and you'll find, including the podcasts for this show. We talk about windows and windows weekly, Macintosh, a Mac break, weekly iPads, iPhones, apple watches on iOS today. Security and security. Now, I mean, I can go on and on and on. And of course the big show every Sunday afternoon, this week in tech, you'll find it and I'll be back next week with another great tech guy show. Thanks for joining me. We'll see you next time.

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