The Tech Guy Episode 1917

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Leo Laporte (00:00:07):
This is TWIT. Hi, this is Leo LePort and this is my tech guy podcast. The show originally aired on the premier networks on Saturday, August 13th, 2022. This is episode 1,917. Intro. The Tech Guy podcast is brought to you by UserWay.Org. Userway is the world's number one accessibility solution. And it's committed to enabling the fundamental human right of digital accessibility for everyone. When you're ready to make your site compliant, deciding which solution to use. It's an easy choice to make. Go to, and you'll get 30% off UserWays. AI powered accessibility solution. Well, Hey, Hey. Hey, how are you today? Leo LePort here. The tech aisle. Yeah, it's tech guy. Time, time to talk computers, the internet home theater, digital photography, smartphones smart watches. Augmented reality. Bitcoin. Oh, <laugh>

Mikah Sargent (00:01:10):
Sorry. You shocked me though.

Leo Laporte (00:01:12):
Nfts lo and behold look lucky. It's Mikah Sargent. Mikah Sargent is here. It's so nice. I missed you over the last several weeks. I, in fact, I haven't even got a chance to thank you for doing the show for me while I was out getting COVID on the cruise. <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (00:01:27):
So I appreciate I'm sorry that happened to you, but yes, it was a good time filling in for you. I had a lot of fun. I rang the cowbell a few times, so it was a blast.

Leo Laporte (00:01:35):
What's the, oh, you have that cow

Mikah Sargent (00:01:37):
Cowbell. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:01:38):
Why'd you ring it.

Mikah Sargent (00:01:38):
Well, cuz the cowbell kept coming on to the air and I thought it'd be so fun to ring a cow. Oh yeah. When that's happening. So the second time I came on, I brought that over to the desk and

Leo Laporte (00:01:47):
Ding, ding and dinging D and ding, ding. I thought we should have a bell as you know for whenever we get the answer, right? Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:01:55):
You had a, you really had kind of a, it'd be the little,

Leo Laporte (00:01:57):
Little bell like to have at the front desk of the hotels and the old movies. Ding, ding, ding, ding <laugh>. But

Mikah Sargent (00:02:02):
Celebr the answers. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:02:04):
But then that would highlight how little we get

Mikah Sargent (00:02:07):
<Laugh> it's like, are we gonna ring the go? Yeah. Yeah. No, because it's another H D M I CEC question, which?

Leo Laporte (00:02:12):
Oh Lord. Oof. Hey, happy lefthanders day. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (00:02:15):
Is that today? Yeah. What is it? 6%.

Leo Laporte (00:02:19):
I don't know. There's a hundred percent in this room. There

Mikah Sargent (00:02:21):
Is a hundred percent lefties of this room.

Leo Laporte (00:02:23):
<Laugh> and my wife's a lefty. So

Mikah Sargent (00:02:26):
Percent of lefties in the world, I'm pretty sure it's like 6%. Okay. Now it's about 10%. Oh, that's of the world population is lefthanded. Oh, that's interesting. We're vastly outnumbered,

Leo Laporte (00:02:36):
Vastly outnumbered, but

Mikah Sargent (00:02:37):
We're very special.

Leo Laporte (00:02:38):
<Laugh> happy. Lefthanders day to you

Mikah Sargent (00:02:42):
And to

Leo Laporte (00:02:43):
You. I was thinking after, after I retire, I might open a left-hander store out there at pier 39 or something.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:49):
It would be fun to have one close. Cause I had a friend who was also left-handed. She used to always go to those left-hander stores when she would take out vacation. And she'd always bring me back something from the, the lefty store.

Leo Laporte (00:03:00):
Honestly, the only thing I do is I mouse. Do you mouse left?

Mikah Sargent (00:03:04):
I do not.

Leo Laporte (00:03:04):
Yeah. My wife mouse is right. I guess it's because you sit down at other people's computers and their mouse is on the right. And you just get used to using

Mikah Sargent (00:03:12):
In school in school. Yeah, we, we did it with our right hands.

Leo Laporte (00:03:15):
Yeah. We didn't have mice in school. We, we had Abacus, but 

Mikah Sargent (00:03:18):
I think and good mouse traps apparently and do

Leo Laporte (00:03:20):
Very like to no mice. So I think that I just kind of, because I, I was an adult when I first used my first mouse mm-hmm <affirmative> and I'm a lefty. So I just put it on left hand that choice. But you know, a lot of mice are don't like, like this is a right-handed mouse, I'm using it, but it's this still mouse has, it's not symmetric, you know, it's different on ones. It, it fits your right hand better than your left hand. That bothers me guards. That's annoying. Yeah. There are a lot of things like that in the world. Just unconscious. Right? Ah,

Mikah Sargent (00:03:51):
I didn't know. Bill gates was lefthanded.

Leo Laporte (00:03:53):
Oh, all the best people are. I think honestly I do remember that lefties tend to be, you know, how there's a bell curve of intelligence. You've seen, heard that phrase, the bell curve where it looks like a Liberty bell because at the low ends and at the high ends is a very shallow and then it gets higher in the middle. There just the average, the bell curve for intelligence for lefties tends to be more like a bell dip, far more of us at either end of the spectrum, either super bright or not so bright and less in the middle. Interesting. So I don't know which side you're on, but I know which side I'm on.

Mikah Sargent (00:04:27):
<Laugh> <laugh> no. Have you ever met a person and you knew they were left handed, they left handed just, just from their personality.

Leo Laporte (00:04:33):
No, but I, this is a weird thing. I do notice when I'm watching TV or, you know, when bill Clinton would sign a bill, I got lefty, Uhhuh Obama was a lefty. I go lefty. But 

Mikah Sargent (00:04:43):
You do call it out. I mean, there're all you do

Leo Laporte (00:04:45):
You see for some of us? Yeah. It's one of one of us. Yeah. So I gotta warn people. It it's happening again. And it's just, it's all the time now. And it's just awful. A good friend of mine got a text message saying you bounced a check in Texas and call us. And she did and

Mikah Sargent (00:05:02):

Leo Laporte (00:05:02):
No. Yeah. Now she's gonna have to go through a bunch of, you know, identity theft, pre precautions, and so forth. We are in a really nasty time where there's just almost seems like every day. In fact, I'll just let me just open my phone. I

Mikah Sargent (00:05:17):
Was gonna say, I could show you a couple on my phone.

Leo Laporte (00:05:19):
Yeah. That just every day there's a text message that goes hi. Or a lot of times what they do now, which is great is they say, oh, I'm not gonna be able to get to work today. So please can you get my shift covered? And then you being a nice person say, oh no, no, you must have the wrong number because you better, you know, you better tell your work. Here's one. Hey Alan, what do you plan to do tomorrow? Go to the movies together. Question mark. That's not from somebody trying to get ahold of Alan.

Mikah Sargent (00:05:49):
No, it's not. They wanna get ahold of you so they can crypto scam you.

Leo Laporte (00:05:53):
They seem to be mostly crypto scans these days. Yep. I don't know why, why that is. There are other scams though. There are more and more of them all the time. Yeah. Once your, your friend suffered as even more involved. Yeah. Yeah. That's a terrible one. And there have been more and more. Well here's one, if you're a windows user, first of all, my deepest sympathies <laugh> and Microsoft has sent out an emergency patch because there is a bug in one of their tools that if you can get somebody to run the tool you can then inject anything and take over their computer. And so what this opens up is somebody calling you up. It's called dog walk, dog, walk, dog, walk, Microsoft urges, urges my friends, windows, users to patch your windows for the dog. Walk zero day exploit.

Leo Laporte (00:06:52):
Despite previously claiming the dog walk did not constitute a security issue. Microsoft now says, well, I mean, it's high severity. So it's in the Microsoft support diagnostic tool, something you probably never run and you don't have to worry about it if you, if you don't run it. But imagine let's say you get one of those popups. We all do that says, oh, you know, this is Microsoft mm-hmm <affirmative>. And you've got a there's we see there's a problem with your windows. Please contact us immediately. We can help walk you through it. And of course you call and you say, wow, what? And they say, well, we'd like you to run the Microsoft windows support diagnostic tool. That sounds like the kind of thing they would do. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> but then they say, okay, now you have to visit this website or open this document, which I'm gonna send you a file.

Leo Laporte (00:07:42):
And then they're in and it's over. And it affects all windows versions, latest client server releases of windows 11 windows server 2022. They've known about it since January, 2020, but Microsoft damn man, we didn't think it was a problem. <Laugh> God, what do you think it was a problem? I, you know, first of all, of course, if you're running any operating system, I won't just, I won't pick on Microsoft, although they deserve it. But I, if you're running any operating system, you ought to always, when there's a patch, when there's a fix emergency or not, you ought to apply it. You gotta do it. But second of all, this really underscores the importance. We've been saying this again and again, of being really cynical. And, and when you get a text message from some guys saying, Hey, I can't make it to work today. Don't call 'em back.

Leo Laporte (00:08:37):
When you get a popup on your, on your screen that says, this is Microsoft you got a problem. We gotta fix it. Call us don't <laugh> when they end tax time coming. You're gonna hear from the IRS boy. Yep. You're probably gonna hear from the quote and I'm putting an air quote, C D oh, there's COVID problems. Or, you know, you've been exposed call this number really, really important. It just to, instead of being a nice person, a good person, which we all wanna be, you know, if I were a nice person, I'd reach out and say, oh, you know, this is an Allen. I'm sorry. Don't don't don't block. 'em You, there's no point they're not using a real phone number. Actually. They probably are, but there's still no point in blocking. Cause they'll just use another number tomorrow and just please, you know, here's one. How are you? That's that's that's a low effort attack. <Laugh> yeah. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:09:33):
I got one the other day. Hey Ted. It was so nice meeting you the other day. Perfect. Right. And then I would say, I got your, why didn't meet you the other day

Leo Laporte (00:09:41):
Or I've got your sweater. Yeah. You left it at my place. You want it? And then you have to say, well, I, oh, I'm sure Ted does, but I'm not Ted. Right. And then they go, oh, what's your name? Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and then you start, I look forward. Begin. Yep. So I just, I, I feel like every, every day, every week I should come on, we should come on and say, don't be fooled. All of this is just an attempt to scam you.

Mikah Sargent (00:10:08):
And it's so frustrating because of how it plays on those instincts that we have to be good people. Yes. That's what really frustrates me about all of this. Yes. Is how it uses that to its advantage. And then if it's not that, then it's using fear to, to cause you to act. And it's just so gross and so wrong. And it's very frustrating. I wish I could just wave my hand and make all of that horrible stuff go away.

Leo Laporte (00:10:38):
It's sad that that people use our best inclinations to take advantage of us. Exactly. It's really low. And these are low people. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> I mean, that's, you know, and they're they're and they're out there sad. I'm sorry. Sad to say. They're out there. So just God, I mean, I hate to tell people, oh, be cynical, be a, you know, be skeptical, be a bad person, but you know, maybe you should, maybe we need to all need to, especially when it comes to technology

Mikah Sargent (00:11:02):
And te are vulnerable. We skepticism first.

Leo Laporte (00:11:05):
We are vulnerable. Makes me sad. Makes me so sad. All right. Let's go to the phones right after this. Okay. She does not sound like that though. <Laugh> I just wanna say

Kim Schaffer (00:11:30):
I can't get that high

Leo Laporte (00:11:31):
<Laugh>. Hi Kim. Hi Kim Schaffer. The unbreakable phone angel. This is your theme for the week. Okay. Selected, carefully selected by the trained professionals in Sherman Oaks, California at the massive iHeart media studios. Beautiful downtown Sherman Oaks. <Laugh> 

Kim Schaffer (00:11:50):
Mikah is snickering back there. What does he, what does, does he know about Sherman Oak? That I don't? No, it's just

Mikah Sargent (00:11:55):
Funny that I

Leo Laporte (00:11:56):
Good names.

Mikah Sargent (00:11:57):
I'm really belaboring. It's less. And that's my kind of humor,

Leo Laporte (00:12:00):
But it's, you know, it's a, it's a part of LA is Sherman Oaks and that's where the beautiful iHeart media building is. See he's doing it. That's down Sherman Oaks. So like

Kim Schaffer (00:12:11):
The crystal could three draw. I don't right. I doubt.

Leo Laporte (00:12:15):
Well, I,

Mikah Sargent (00:12:16):
The Taj Mahal downtown Sherman.

Leo Laporte (00:12:18):
No, it's beautiful. It's a beautiful place. It's beautiful county. Carson spent a lot of time building up beautiful downtown Burbank. You might remember. Oh yeah. If you've ever, if you've ever been there. Yeah. Yeah. So Kim Schaffer is the person who will answer your phone calls. I don't know if you've noticed this. But we have been, we've been saying we want new people. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> for the last couple weeks and it's been great.

Kim Schaffer (00:12:41):
It's been very nice talking to people that I've never talked to be.

Leo Laporte (00:12:44):
Yeah. And a lot of the people who've been calling and just saying, yeah, you know, I never tried before, but now that you, so let's, let's keep doing that. I like it.

Kim Schaffer (00:12:52):
Yeah. I think there's, we've got three Nubes on the phone, right? <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (00:12:56):
Yeah. Some advice for the listeners out there. If you have called like once before it's

Leo Laporte (00:13:01):
Okay. Not, yeah. Once is okay.

Mikah Sargent (00:13:02):
Do you don't have

Leo Laporte (00:13:03):
To tell us and you don't have to tell us that we don't wanna know.

Kim Schaffer (00:13:04):
Yeah. Don't tell me actually, if I don't recognize your voice, it's gonna be to your benefit.

Leo Laporte (00:13:09):
It's if we recognize your voice, if we know your name yeah. We know where you live, then that's you know who you are, know <laugh> we

Kim Schaffer (00:13:16):
Know who you

Leo Laporte (00:13:17):
Are. Who should I, who should I start this line?

Kim Schaffer (00:13:20):
Let's go to Ivan in west Covina, west Covina. Like I had it's spelled in John pointed out to me a few

Leo Laporte (00:13:27):
Minutes. Well, that's the Irish

Kim Schaffer (00:13:29):

Leo Laporte (00:13:30):
Oh, Covina. Hello? Ivan from west Covina. How are you? Welcome to the show. Thank you, Kim. Hey

Caller 1 (00:13:37):
Leo. Hey, how should I say, say, should I say dev? No.

Leo Laporte (00:13:41):
Oh, there's a flash in the past. No one knows what you're talking about. When you say that. Yes.

Caller 1 (00:13:47):
Only me. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:13:48):
This was a character that I did for MSNBC, Manny moons ago. Like more like 1996. So that's

Caller 1 (00:13:57):
That's how far back we

Leo Laporte (00:13:58):
Go? Yeah, 26 years. And it was all because NBC executives didn't wanna see me on TV. So they put me in a suit of, with a weird hooked up to a computer and I became a weird barista and sold it at O'Brien would talk to me. And I was talking a terrible voice, but I wanted Emmy. So the hell with them.

Caller 1 (00:14:19):
That's right.

Leo Laporte (00:14:20):
Yeah. So what can we

Caller 1 (00:14:22):
Happy lefty day.

Leo Laporte (00:14:23):
Hey, happy lefty day. Are you a lefty too?

Caller 1 (00:14:25):
Yes, I am

Leo Laporte (00:14:26):
Nice. Oh, Hey, this is it. Kim. Let's only talk to lefties

Mikah Sargent (00:14:29):
<Laugh> oh,

Leo Laporte (00:14:30):
My, the smartest bestest people

Mikah Sargent (00:14:32):
Narrowing it down.

Leo Laporte (00:14:33):
Yeah. Ivan, what can we do for you today?

Caller 1 (00:14:36):
Well first off I have a corrupt SD card out of my camera that has images on it. Okay. And it was, it was suggested to me to format the card. No. And then use software to try to recover those images.

Leo Laporte (00:14:51):
Why would they say format the card? That's an interesting suggestion.

Caller 1 (00:14:56):
So that you could use some UN formatting software to

Leo Laporte (00:15:00):

Caller 1 (00:15:00):
Format. Bring it back.

Leo Laporte (00:15:02):
No, you don't need to. I mean, I come maybe there, you know, this is a fine art, this, this rec data recovery. And it may be that at some point you'd wanna format the card. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> probably, you don't need to do that. There is software to do this specifically ease us E a S E office mm-hmm <affirmative> offers a free program that will do it. Okay. The folks who run sea cleaner, you probably heard of them. Everybody uses windows. It's about sea cleaner. They have a program. I, I like cuz the name is recover. R E C yeah. Recover. That's also free. Both, both of these will work on SD cards. But I have to tell you SD cards fail. They are, I know they're, it's not at all unusual. In fact, many cameras. Now the high end cameras have two cards and if you're shooting a wedding as a photographer, for instance, you will set it up and all these cameras will allow you to do this to, to make a copy, to, to literally do a backup. The minute you shoot. Wow. In case one card dies, cuz it happens. And if you're shooting a wedding, you know, that's no excuse your card card died. So I would try it. Yeah.

Caller 1 (00:16:12):
Yeah. I backed up half of it, about half of the card. The last time I backed up and then I'd shot after that. And I just wanna see if there's anything there that

Leo Laporte (00:16:22):
Yeah, there probably is. Yeah. And, and, and we've said this before, but you know, erasing file on any computer system, doesn't actually erase the data unless you use some sort of secure erase, it just releases that area of the disc for reuse. That's why I'm nervous about formatting. Any writing to the disc is potentially risky because the data's all there still, if you don't write to the disc, the minute you write to the disc, it could be overwritten. Formatting's pretty safe. Cuz really all formatting does. Especially a quick format is is redo the, the table of content. But there's no point in it because it's not looking and seeing what's on there. It's just making everything it's saying everything is empty and available. So I don't understand the point of reformatting. 

Caller 1 (00:17:08):
Well that's why I thought I'd call the man.

Leo Laporte (00:17:11):
Maybe they're saying is too. Yeah. Maybe the men maybe they're saying, and this is, this is perhaps the case that if you maybe the card's dead, if you try to format a card, that's dead. It won't format. And maybe that would be the signal that it's time to not test. Basically not, not spend more energy on it, but try recover or ease us. I can't remember the name of their program. I li I'm certain kind of these days of fan of ease us is stuff. B a S E

Caller 1 (00:17:37):
Okay. Thanks.

Leo Laporte (00:17:37):

Caller 1 (00:17:37):
You. Thank

Leo Laporte (00:17:38):
You. Great to talk to you west Covina west

Leo / Mikah (00:17:43):
Here they will. These are your tech guys.

Leo Laporte (00:17:45):
Scott will gets in coming up.

Mikah Sargent (00:17:49):
Scott O

Scott Wilkinson (00:17:50):

Leo Laporte (00:17:50):
Scott. Hello, Scotty.

Mikah Sargent (00:17:53):
Scotty. I just there was a TikTok the other day where someone was doing actual physical recovery from an SD card. Yeah. They have to not even SD card, a micro SD card. They had to not DeMel, but whatever those devices are that are kind of like drums that basically can like cut away plastic by revolving. So it was cutting it away until all the pins were exposed on the inside. Oh, that's great. Cray. And they put it in the middle of this thing that had all these little arms that came out and touched each individual part right of the card. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that was because the, the interface between the memory context of context basically were broken. Yeah. It was really cool.

Leo Laporte (00:18:29):
That actually is great. That's the kind of thing you have to do to become a YouTube celeb.

Mikah Sargent (00:18:33):
<Laugh> exactly TikTok. I mean I've rewatched the video like four times. Yeah. You have,

Leo Laporte (00:18:36):
You have to, you have to go the extra mile. You have to have a thing with arms. Hello Scotty.

Scott Wilkinson (00:18:42):
Hello Leo.

Leo Laporte (00:18:42):
There it is. Oh, there he is. E us data recovery, SD card, data recovery software. Scotty. You got a cold.

Scott Wilkinson (00:18:50):
Oh, have you got like cold? Have you? No, no. I'm just in LA.

Leo Laporte (00:18:54):
Oh, there you go. That's the problem. That's

Mikah Sargent (00:18:55):
Why you saw a little

Leo Laporte (00:18:56):
Difference. What are you doing down there?

Scott Wilkinson (00:18:59):

Leo Laporte (00:19:01):
Oh, geez. I'm turning off your mic. <Laugh> holy moly. You need a, a cough button.

Scott Wilkinson (00:19:07):
Well, I, I do have one at home, but I don't. I do have one here. I'm using a new headset, Mike. Let's see. Does that work test 1, 2, 3.

Mikah Sargent (00:19:15):
Oh, he's just coming

Leo Laporte (00:19:16):
In phone. No, it didn't mute it. That's hysterical. <Laugh> now you're muted. No, you're not saying anything. It's okay.

Scott Wilkinson (00:19:23):
Now I'm unmuted. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:19:25):
There you go. That muted it. Okay. After the test, 1, 2, 3, that whatever you did, that's fine. Don't worry about it. Don't mute it. It's fine.

Scott Wilkinson (00:19:31):
All right. I'll be careful. Anyway, I'm here for my 50th high school reunion.

Leo Laporte (00:19:36):
Oh my, oh my God. Oh my God. My 50th is next year, but I'll be going to Santa Cruz for that.

Scott Wilkinson (00:19:43):
You will. Well, I hope you come visit or I'll come

Leo Laporte (00:19:45):
Visit you. My 50th high school reunion. Are you kidding me?

Scott Wilkinson (00:19:49):
Are you? I still have friends from high school, man.

Mikah Sargent (00:19:52):
That's awesome.

Leo Laporte (00:19:53):
Well, let me think who would be there? Not my first girlfriend, cuz she was a year ahead of me. Mm. Not, yeah. People. I remember <laugh> from that time. I don't know.

Scott Wilkinson (00:20:08):
There, there are probably five or six people who are

Leo Laporte (00:20:11):
Gonna be here. I don't want them to say Leo, you look so old and fat

Scott Wilkinson (00:20:15):
<Laugh>. Yeah, but they all look old and fat too.

Leo Laporte (00:20:17):
Oh, that's true. That's

Scott Wilkinson (00:20:18):
True. They all do. Yeah. And, and if, if, if they say, if anyone says that to me, I'll say, Hey right back at you, but

Leo Laporte (00:20:24):
I catch you. But, but do you have fun memories of high school? Cause I think that's the other, I do. That's the other problem I do. Okay. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:20:30):
Many people don't many

Leo Laporte (00:20:31):
Do I do not? Yes.

Scott Wilkinson (00:20:34):
I actually have fond memories of high school. So to tell you the truth, it happened to coincide with I'm, I'm getting a dental implant as well and it coincided with that. So I said, okay, I'll come and I'm doing it down here. Cuz I like my, yeah, my periodontist down here.

Leo Laporte (00:20:50):
Nice. Okay, good. Yeah. <laugh> the sin song ever. What is hip

Scott Wilkinson (00:20:57):

Leo Laporte (00:20:57):
And that's Mr. Scott Wilkinson home theater geek. He is hip. And of course he is the star of his very own YouTube show at forum. Mr. Wilkinson a good day,

Scott Wilkinson (00:21:12):
Mr. Lahar.

Leo Laporte (00:21:13):
So we had last week, the results of the value electronics shootout, which is the you know, kind of the, I think it's the crown jewel, isn't it in TV testing.

Scott Wilkinson (00:21:25):
It is. It is. It really is. It's been going on for almost 20 years and they deal with flat panel TVs. Yeah. Right. So, and we talked last week about how the new technology Q D O led won the day.

Leo Laporte (00:21:40):
Big winner, big winner. Yep.

Scott Wilkinson (00:21:42):
Big winner, big winner chicken dinner. <Laugh> <laugh> the, the week following, there was another shootout for ultra short throw or T projectors.

Leo Laporte (00:21:58):
Oh, I have one of those don't I

Scott Wilkinson (00:22:00):
You do you have one from high sense? It's now quite a few years old. Sorry. <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:22:06):
We watched, we watched the Niners game yesterday on it. We had a lot of, so

Scott Wilkinson (00:22:09):
It's great for football it's hundred

Leo Laporte (00:22:11):
Sports inch proje, you know, screen, you have to use a special screen cuz a projector is right in front of it. And so the screen has to be able to

Scott Wilkinson (00:22:19):
The light shoots up at a, at a really steep angle and it, and it has to be reflected out into the, into the room. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:22:26):
But I think it's a very nice, yeah. I mean they've gotten better and better since, but I think it's, it looks still looks great. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> it's it's got two lasers, not three and that kind of thing, correct?

Scott Wilkinson (00:22:36):
Yeah. Yep. What organization did this shoot out? It's a website called projector and it's, it's primarily a sales site. They sell projectors and screens, but it was put on in conjunction with a, another site called projector, which is a review site. So they, they did this together and they did a very similar thing to value electronics where they lined up a bunch of UST projectors on the same screen playing the same material, using actually some of the same hardware that was used at value electronics to make sure that all the projectors got the same signal and they were all calibrated and put on a level playing field again, like value electronics. And there were several judges there, six judges I think who were looking at the same sorts of picture quality characteristics, like flesh tones, skin tones, natural VI color, color, volume, shadow, and black detail and, and that sort of stuff. So, and they looked at it in three different ways. They looked at it with the lights on, as you would like you did probably with your football game, you know, you have the lights on, you got people over, it's a football party, whatever.

Leo Laporte (00:24:01):
Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:02):
And, and UST projectors are good for that because the screens, in addition to reflecting the light in a special way, also reject ambient light.

Leo Laporte (00:24:11):
Oh that's interest. I didn't thought about that, but yeah, it's in a great room where we can't control the light very well and right. It was a day, day day-ish game sun hadn't gone down. So yeah. But it looked great. Right. It did look better. It got darker, but it did look fine. It was usable.

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:24):
Let's put it, it was usable. Yeah, exactly. With a regular screen and a regular projector that would be so washed out. Yeah. You, you could hardly even see anything. Right.

Scott Wilkinson (00:24:33):
So they did it in a bright room. They did it in a dark room, both with standard dynamic range material. And then they did it in a dark room with high dynamic range material. And as we know, projectors, don't do high dynamic range as well as flat panels cuz they can't get as bright, not nearly as bright so that they're, they're more challenged in that way than flat panels. Still in all, they, they put these projectors up, they've divided them into two groups, the ones with a single laser and ones with three lasers, a red, a green and a blue laser. Hmm. Yours has two and it, it derives the third color with a phosphor. I believe <laugh> in any event. So they,

Leo Laporte (00:25:20):
I, I don't notice the difference, but yeah, it did. I mean, it was sad when the third laser version came out, <laugh>

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:25):
Came out like the year after you got yeah. The brand. Yeah. Right, right, right. So in the triple laser category, the winner was a big surprise for everybody. Yeah. It was it was a, a brand that I've never heard of. And nobody had heard of called four movie F O R M O V I E. That's the name of the company. It's a Chinese company and the projector model is the theater. So it's the four movie theater and it's less expensive than a lot of the other ones on the list. It's the least expensive of the whole lot. Oh that's I love that

Leo Laporte (00:26:06):

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:06):
I love that. Yep. Yep. Yep. Not only that, it's the only projector I know of. And I was shocked to learn this, but supports Doby, vision, high dynamic rain.

Leo Laporte (00:26:17):
Interesting. Which is what you want. Right. Is that

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:19):
That's, which is what you want. Yeah. You, you do. But up until now, projectors have not supported it because Dony vision, Doby, tightly controls, Doby vision, and they up till now having it on a flat panel is fine because you can determine what the peak brightness of a flat panel is. No matter where it is with a projector that depends on the screen you're using. And you could use one of several different kinds of screens. So companies anyway, that make different UST screens with different gain values and so on. So having Doby vision on a projector, this is the first time I've ever heard of it.

Leo Laporte (00:26:57):

Mikah Sargent (00:26:58):
Forgive me for asking what is probably a stupid question, but

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:02):
No such thing.

Mikah Sargent (00:27:03):
Okay. No such thing. Okay. Why? So one would think that I would think not one, but I would think that the reason to get a projector is so that you could have a bigger viewing area. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:27:17):
I would think that two,

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:18):
Right? Yes. And, and you would be correct. <Laugh> but

Mikah Sargent (00:27:23):
You have to buy a screen for it as well. So why not just buy a TV if you have to buy the projector? How much and the screen, why not just,

Leo Laporte (00:27:32):
You can't get a hundred inch TV for less than a million dollars, right.

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:36):
Oh, okay. Well you, you can get it for less than a million. But think about this, this, this four movie

Leo Laporte (00:27:41):
Theater for most people, $60,000 in a million, this

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:45):
Might as well be

Leo Laporte (00:27:46):
A million. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:47):
<Laugh> no $3,000 for this projector. Plus maybe another thousand or two for a screen for a hundred inch screen. Maybe not even that much. And, and you're we spent,

Leo Laporte (00:27:59):
We spent 10. I hate to admit it, but we spent, I think 10,000 on the high sense, but the screen press projector

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:05):
So well, and that included the screen.

Mikah Sargent (00:28:07):
Just do the wall.

Leo Laporte (00:28:07):
Yeah. Screen press.

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:08):
No, no, no, no, no, please

Leo Laporte (00:28:10):
Can't please. You can't. You can't you need AEL. Well you need this Nel. Well,

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:14):
No you can't. You're right. Because the

Mikah Sargent (00:28:16):
Reflection because of it's an ultra. Okay. So that's

Leo Laporte (00:28:19):
AEL lens. It bounces the, it, it actually correct.

Mikah Sargent (00:28:22):
I got an angle.

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:24):
Okay. And an angle. It has to bounce it at a weird angle. It's a

Leo Laporte (00:28:26):
Special ricochet screen.

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:28):
Got it. Correct. A normal projector. You could use the wall, but I always recommend strongly against it because the wall can't be flat. It, it, it, it, you can't have the right color white, unless you paint a special,

Leo Laporte (00:28:41):
There's special paint. You can buy, there

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:43):
Are special paints you could buy. And that, that works better.

Leo Laporte (00:28:46):
But that does not work with a short throw. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> that's the that's the key. Got it.

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:49):
Yeah. Correct. Correct. Muno. So this four theater, four movie theater projector. One number one. I was astonished among the three. How much was it?

Mikah Sargent (00:29:02):
Half the cost.

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:03):
$3,000, including

Leo Laporte (00:29:05):
The screen.

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:06):
No, no, not including the screen.

Leo Laporte (00:29:08):
How much was the screen? You said a thousand.

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:11):
Yeah. So rough

Leo Laporte (00:29:12):
To 4,000 total.

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:13):

Leo Laporte (00:29:14):
That's pretty

Mikah Sargent (00:29:14):
Good. And the runner up is just for the device. $6,496. So like, so this

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:24):
G, which is a well known, well

Leo Laporte (00:29:26):
Known for movie company, don't be selling a lot of now there are things with projectors. You should be aware of. This is laser

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:33):
Correct. Three laser.

Leo Laporte (00:29:35):
And you want that three laser technology. Do you want,

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:37):
You want three laser technology? You

Leo Laporte (00:29:38):
Don't want a bulb because they burn out, correct? Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:41):
Correct. And very few. I mean, projectors are, it is some projectors, still have bulbs, but a lot of 'em are using lasers now. Yeah. Okay. And that's 10, 20, 30,000 hours of use.

Leo Laporte (00:29:50):
Wow. F what's the website four move four.

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:55):
No, 4, 4, 4 movie, I guess. I don't know.

Leo Laporte (00:29:58):
We'll find it. We'll we go

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:59):
To projector,

Leo Laporte (00:30:01):
Oh yeah. Actually read the review. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I, yeah, exactly. Scott Wilkinson. Thank you. Leo Laport. Mikah Sargent Moore calls right after this. Wow. Four movie. Who are they

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:16):
Heard of? 'em Before.

Leo Laporte (00:30:17):
Never heard of them. That's that's actually the only thing you amazing. You

Mikah Sargent (00:30:20):
Can't test it. A shootout is how long the product will

Leo Laporte (00:30:23):
Last. Right? It might be a crappy product. It might be

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:25):
Correct. It might be. It might be. That is true. I mean the build quality. How good can it be? It's the least expensive projector in the whole shootout.

Leo Laporte (00:30:36):
How good could it be?

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:38):
Yeah. How long will it last? I mean, it was good to know. Yeah. Yes. It, it, it looked great. The judges all, you know, thought it ended up being number one, the pick of the, of the bunch. But how long will it last? Oh, it's even a regular review. Can't tell

Mikah Sargent (00:30:54):
Speckle elimination technology.

Leo Laporte (00:30:57):
Well, you don't what? Spec?

Mikah Sargent (00:30:58):
I don't even know

Leo Laporte (00:30:58):
What that's you want spec.

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:00):
Okay. Well, that's that has to do with the fact that it's lasers laser. When you use laser illumination, you can get a, an effect, an artifact on the screen called speckle. Oh, which, which is little tiny. Looks like speckles. 

Leo Laporte (00:31:17):
Wait a minute. Four movie there's speakers or Bowers and Wilkins.

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:23):
Are they really? I hadn't, I didn't

Leo Laporte (00:31:25):
Wait a minute. I'm just looking. I should never just look at the chat room and <laugh> assume that they're talking about the same and

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:30):
A lot of these, a lot of these ultra shark throw projectors do have built in sound

Leo Laporte (00:31:34):
Mode. Yeah. That's not unusual, right?

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:36):
That's not unusual at all. And in this projector shootout, that was, they were not taken into account.

Leo Laporte (00:31:40):
Right. Mine does as well, but I never use it cuz I always know. Yeah. Right. Wow. Exactly. Yeah. The four movie has Doby, Atmos sound provided by Bowers and Wilkins. That's that's pretty

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:50):

Leo Laporte (00:31:51):
Because that's the, that's the premier brand

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:53):
That that's a premier British brand. Absolutely. Absolutely. I would. Wow. so yeah, now it says here that it it's lagged. It's not, it's not really

Leo Laporte (00:32:04):
A game. Oh, wait a minute.

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:06):

Leo Laporte (00:32:06):
Twisted. Mystery says Samsung has the rights to use the B w name <laugh> so it's probably Harmon speakers or something like that.

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:15):
Well, Harmon is owned by Samsung, right?

Leo Laporte (00:32:18):
So they have the B BMW rights farfield voice of Google smart home. That can be controlled hands free. Wow. Maybe I should. So here's the question. Should I replace the high sense with the four movie?

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:33):
Well, yes.

Mikah Sargent (00:32:34):
I, let me be the grim of worm tongue here.

Leo Laporte (00:32:36):
You know why cuz you would get the, you would, would get the high sense. That's why you're saying that. I know why you said that. No,

Mikah Sargent (00:32:42):
<Laugh> there's no room in my house for a screen.

Leo Laporte (00:32:44):
It would ruin your house. It's huge.

Mikah Sargent (00:32:46):
Yeah. If I could just project it on a wall, I would beg you for it. But I can't, I don't have a way to do shortterm

Leo Laporte (00:32:51):
But, but they see this why this is better cuz you don't have to find a place for the projector. The projector goes with a TVs. It goes,

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:58):
It goes right up it near very near the wall. Otherwise

Leo Laporte (00:33:01):

Mikah Sargent (00:33:01):
They make screens that don't have to have like a pole underneath

Leo Laporte (00:33:04):
Them? There's no pole it's on. It's mounted on the wall. Oh you you

Mikah Sargent (00:33:06):
Mount it on the wall. Oh, okay. Well that suddenly that changes

Leo Laporte (00:33:08):
Everything. In fact, you don't want the, the screen on the wall. Cause it can't the screen and the relationship between the projector and the screen is, is very precise. You can't move either one. What do you

Mikah Sargent (00:33:16):
Do? Do you, can you dust it or will that ruin things?

Leo Laporte (00:33:18):
You can dust it, but you can't wipe. Oh you

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:20):
Have to be really careful. I would just, I would air dust it really?

Mikah Sargent (00:33:23):
I like to throw tomato sauce around my house. Can't do that. So I should probably I'd have to stop

Leo Laporte (00:33:27):
Doing, I can't mine's been nudged a few times. And so it starts, you know? Yeah. How do

Mikah Sargent (00:33:31):
You pack it away?

Leo Laporte (00:33:32):
You don't pack it away. You have to, you don't we had very carefully

Mikah Sargent (00:33:37):
Anthony, it comes full

Leo Laporte (00:33:38):
Nielsen and a couple other people came over to adjust. It rolled

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:41):

Mikah Sargent (00:33:42):
Okay. So it can roll.

Leo Laporte (00:33:43):
Yeah. But, but it gets mounted on the wall, but you

Mikah Sargent (00:33:45):
Should. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:33:46):
It's fabric. Okay. But it, but it has a frame and then you Mount it and then it has

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:49):
The hundred inch screen that was, that was used in this shootout is 1400 bucks from, from projector,

Leo Laporte (00:33:59):
I am waiting for the micro L E D screen.

Mikah Sargent (00:34:05):
Well from which company,

Leo Laporte (00:34:07):

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:07):
Nobody Sony, Samsung, LG. Several of them do. But, but those are in the million dollar range.

Leo Laporte (00:34:14):
Now. That's what I'm saying. Oh I see. I'm not gonna replace it to them. You wanna stick around for the top Scott?

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:19):
I can't. I gotta run.

Leo Laporte (00:34:20):
All right. Have a good one.

Mikah Sargent (00:34:23):

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Now back to this room, Leo LaPorte, Mica Sargent your tech guys, phone number eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo. We'd love to hear from, if you wanna ask a question or talk eye tech or you know anything Shirley for instance in mountain view, Shirley's here. Yes. Hi Shirley. How are you?

Caller 2 (00:40:23):
Okay. Leo, I hope you can help me. I'm sure with your area of expertise, your depth of expertise. This will be simple. I hope so. Okay. Okay.

Leo Laporte (00:40:32):
So your hopes are my hopes.

Caller 2 (00:40:34):
Okay. About a week ago, my Yahoo account was hacked and I couldn't get into it because when I put in the username, it said in red, sorry, we don't recognize this email address. So the locked Yahoo.

Leo Laporte (00:40:56):
Yeah. Hello?

Caller 2 (00:40:57):
Yes. Excuse me. The lock Yahoo. Yes. Account gives me the option to, to choose a new username. If I do choose a new U username will my information. That is to say my contacts on my files be automatically given to that new username.

Leo Laporte (00:41:19):
Now this is very interesting. This is the

Caller 2 (00:41:21):
First question.

Leo Laporte (00:41:22):
So, so you go to your login window. Yeah. And you put in what you believe to be it's your Yahoo email, right? Your username.

Caller 2 (00:41:30):
I put in my Yahoo email.

Leo Laporte (00:41:32):
So it's Shirley Something like that. Yes. And it says, don't recognize that name.

Caller 2 (00:41:38):
It says, I'm sorry, we don't recognize this as a, an email address. And that was just after I got hacked. They're they're simultaneous. Okay. and so I, what I want, but it does give me the option to click on something and change the username. I didn't wanna do that because I didn't know what that might mean because what I'm concerned about is getting all my information and my context. Yeah. Okay. So that's the first part.

Leo Laporte (00:42:06):
Well, I understand your question, but I'm, I'm trying to figure out why it doesn't recognize your email name.

Caller 2 (00:42:14):
Well, you see the thing is I've had this account for years and a couple of times I've been hacked and all I have to do is choose a new password. So I thought the same thing would happen here, but no, it's not the password. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:42:28):
No. And I don't think it's related to hacking you, you, for some reason, Yahoo has decided that your E your normal login is no longer valid.

Caller 2 (00:42:38):
Yeah. But

Leo Laporte (00:42:38):
Hackers don't change that hackers don't change that because the whole point of hacking email is to get your email. They don't change. So they don't change that. And I don't think they can change that. So now I'm I'm thinking that what really happened was that Yahoo killed your account, but why, in which case creating a, well, I don't know why. I mean, why would they, why? Because Yahoo is now owned by Verizon and they hate the world. I don't know why. What's funny is I saw, I'm starting to see ads for Yahoo again, as if Yahoo exists. Yahoo has been sold two times. Yeah. Since you created that account, I don't really know what's happening here because that's, it's very suspicious. It's very suspicious. This is, this does not sound right. And by the way, Yahoo in the past has, has it could be now it could be that somebody doesn't like you and then just deleted the account.

Caller 2 (00:43:35):
Okay. Could I add the rest of the story? And, yeah. Okay. So I, I also opened a Gmail account because for recovery and I, then I talked on the phone endlessly with the Yahoo people, and they said that they would send me a link so that I could chat with somebody online. They did that. So I clicked on the link and it's impossible to get through you know, they're always 10,000 people waiting <laugh> so it was very, very frustrating. Yeah. However, this is what I would like to know, because I understand that Yahoo gets hacked a lot. So should I just give up on Yahoo the lot? Well,

Leo Laporte (00:44:21):
Yes. Ultimately,

Caller 2 (00:44:22):
Should, should I just give up on Yahoo because trying to get help, help online is impossible. I spent hours.

Leo Laporte (00:44:28):
Yeah. Free email is worth every penny you pay for it.

Caller 2 (00:44:31):
Yeah, exactly. Okay. So what I should wonder is that since I spent, I was trying to get through, should I just give up on it and go to the Gmail account as my regular account?

Leo Laporte (00:44:42):
Well, by the way, that's also free email and has equally stellar support. In other words, none. So, well,

Caller 2 (00:44:48):
I would know that this, I was told it was better at Google.

Leo Laporte (00:44:51):
Well, it is better. Yahoo is, is kind of old by the way, 10% Verizon now 90% by a, an equity fund, Apollo global management. And of course you can bet they care about your account. Oh Lord. You might try this thing. Look at this point, it's, it's likely that whatever mail was there is gone, but you, if they say, would you like to try a new name, try it. It it's PO I don't know what's going on here, but it's, if that's somehow tied to your account, it's possible that then you will be able to log in and, and see your stuff. I think it's highly unlikely. I think that accounts gone is what I,

Caller 2 (00:45:28):
I do too. Yeah. So therefore my question is how do I transfer my contacts on my files from the locked Yahoo account? You don't, it's gone to the new Google account.

Leo Laporte (00:45:40):
You don't, it's gone.

Caller 2 (00:45:41):
Wait a minute. I thought there was a way you could I thought there was something called AIAN or something. I don't know what the name is that will, that will transfer everything from one email attach. It

Leo Laporte (00:45:52):
Would, if you could get into it, but you can't get into it. So in order to do that transfer, it has to be able to log into that account. It has to be able to get the data and you no longer have access to that data. So the real, the real thing that's worth trying, if you care is somehow getting into this Yahoo account which may mean calling support. One thing you could try, somebody suggesting this Jeremy's kind of interesting is create a new Yahoo account with your old email address and see if it lets you one thing that Yahoo does. And that's, I don't like it, but they do. It is when a, after an account is unused for a period of time, it releases that account. It, it releases it to somebody else can use that account. And that is a bad thing to do because you know what, if you, but you, it sounds like you log, you used to log in regularly, right? When when's the last time you were able to log in?

Caller 2 (00:46:42):
Well, the thing is, I don't actually have a computer in my apartment, but in our apartment, apartment complex, there is a, there is a computer lab. So I use those that, and I don't go on very often.

Leo Laporte (00:46:57):
Yeah. I'm wondering if Yahoo, because you know, when you get owned by an equity fund yeah. It's all about money and you aren't paying for a Yahoo account. I'm thinking, right. They do have paid accounts, but you weren't paying for your Yahoo mail. Right.

Caller 2 (00:47:12):
So I don't pay for it, but I understand that you can get something called Yahoo plus or something

Leo Laporte (00:47:17):
Like that. They, they do have a paid version which is certainly gonna be better because at least this, this, this evil equity fund is making some money off of you. I could totally see Apollo global management, some, some bean counter there saying, what are all these free accounts dump them.

Caller 2 (00:47:34):

Leo Laporte (00:47:35):
I mean, I don't know what happened. It's your account is your email. W if it does not recognize that and make sure caps lock is off, you know, on that machine that, you know, you really are entering it correctly, in fact, type it into notepad or something, make sure it looks right and then paste it in. You really wanna make sure you're using the exact right account.

Caller 2 (00:47:56):
Yeah, no, I I've done it on several computers now. Okay.

Leo Laporte (00:47:59):

Mikah Sargent (00:48:00):
Surely there's there is one thing I would try to, I just I have an old Yahoo account and I went to my Yahoo login and assumingly. What you do is you type in Shirley or whatever it is. Yeah. Instead of putting part at the end, leave that off. Yeah. She said that the name on its own and your password and see if you can get in, because there could, it's just a, it's just a suggestion to see if that might sort

Caller 2 (00:48:25):
Of, I've already tried that

Mikah Sargent (00:48:27):
You did try that. Okay. Was

Caller 2 (00:48:29):
Sometimes both ways and it doesn't work. That's unfortunate. What I wanna, what I wanna do is get my information.

Leo Laporte (00:48:35):
I don't blame you. I don't

Caller 2 (00:48:36):
Blame you. And you're saying, I'm trying to clarify what you said. So you suggest that I put in is a new password, not the new password, the new username, the same one that I have now. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:48:47):
Just see, see what happens. See if you can create Canada that before you do that, though did you ever tie a mobile phone to that account or a number to that phone number to that account?

Caller 2 (00:48:56):
No. You're gonna be, not believe this, but I don't have a mobile phone. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And

Leo Laporte (00:49:01):
So, so, so it is really you, don't your, it's your username or your email, both of which are your email address. Yes. if that it does not recognize it as very strange. Did you do the forgot username bit?

Caller 2 (00:49:16):

Leo Laporte (00:49:16):
I don't. That's part of the login. I have to run, unfortunately, hold on a second. Leo LaPorte, Mica Sargent, the tech guys, let me don't go anywhere. Cuz we just had to take a break, but hold I'm I'm wondering cuz it does. It does. As I look at the Yahoo login. Yeah. It does say forgot your username. I don't know what good that's gonna do, but it maybe it's

Caller 2 (00:49:44):
The, I, I think that's what I'm talking about. There was a little box there. That's just something about the username. Yeah. And, but I was concerned if I, if I clicked that at what would happen, whether I then would obliterate.

Leo Laporte (00:49:58):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's gonna try, this is an account recovery process, but unfortunately I'm looking at this. Let's get you into your account. Tell us one of the following to get started. Sign in email address or mobile number. We already tried to sign an email address and you don't have a mobile number. I do not. You never attached a recovery phone number or recovery email address to this?

Caller 2 (00:50:21):
I, well after I got hacked I did ah, create the Gmail account.

Leo Laporte (00:50:28):
And did you attach it to the Yahoo mail account? Did you say, did you say, Hey, here's my

Caller 2 (00:50:33):
Recovery. Yes, yes, yes. And they sent me a link to that account, the Google account on which I, which I could then hopefully talk to a, or have a chat with one of their tech people. But they give you very, these very strict hours. Believe it or not 6:00 AM <laugh> Western time. So I'm right there at 6:00 AM. Logging on. I mean, clicking on that and you have to wait and wait and wait in it because I sent,

Leo Laporte (00:51:00):
But was this with Google or Yahoo?

Caller 2 (00:51:02):
Yahoo. That Yahoo sent me a link to my Google account by which I could get ahold of Yahoo help.

Leo Laporte (00:51:10):
So, so here's the question. I'll ask it again. You are able, when you have a Yahoo email account to attach for this very purpose, either a phone number or another email address, not a Yahoo address, but another email address to the account for recovery purposes.

Caller 2 (00:51:28):
But I didn't do that until after I was I didn't, I didn't have another account.

Leo Laporte (00:51:33):
I understand you. So the first, when you were hacked, last time you created the Gmail account,

Caller 2 (00:51:37):
Did you? No. No. You mean no. In the past, the couple of times I was hacked and all, all I had to do was put in the different password this time. It it's the username, not the password. That's the problem.

Leo Laporte (00:51:51):
Yeah. I understand. Did you, when you created the Gmail account, did you attach that as a recovery email address? Yes. You did good news.

Caller 2 (00:52:00):
I mean, I told, I told Yahoo about it. Is that all right? You mean by

Leo Laporte (00:52:04):
That? So go, so go back down to the computer center and when you try to log into Yahoo at the very, at that very point, there is forgot my username.

Caller 2 (00:52:15):

Leo Laporte (00:52:16):
Go through that. And it says, let's get you into your account. Tell us one of the following to get started. One of the choices is your recovery email address. Now you can enter your Gmail address. Yes. When you do that, it will send an email to the new Gmail account. Yes. That tells you how to recover your Yahoo account.

Caller 2 (00:52:36):

Leo Laporte (00:52:36):

Caller 2 (00:52:37):
Okay. Now let's let's let me be sure. I understand. So I should click on a thing about a new user a new username

Leo Laporte (00:52:45):
Say no, no click on the thing that says I forgot.

Caller 2 (00:52:47):
I forgot my username. Yep.

Leo Laporte (00:52:49):
And then it will say, it'll take you to a page that says let's get you into your account. Yes. And that's good. Yes. And then it says, tell us one of the following to get started. And one of them is recovery email address. And so yes. So you, last time this happened, you gave them an email address for this purpose at Gmail. Yes. So you are gonna enter that Gmail address. Yes. If that was in fact given to them as a recovery address, yes. Yahoo will send an email to the Gmail address. Yes. Saying here's how you get your account back. It'll have a, probably have a link, that'll say, enter your PA your new password or something like that. But that's good that you gave them that recovery email. You have a phone number at all. You must have a phone number. I'm

Caller 2 (00:53:33):
Gonna have landline.

Leo Laporte (00:53:35):
Yeah, that's fine. You can use that as a recovery phone number. So what you wanna do with any account, like this is give them additional ways to help you get back in. If it's, if it's screwed up and one is a recovery phone number, it can be a landline. They'll actually call the landline or a recovery email address. And it sounds like you might have done that with a Gmail. If you did, it will use that address. See they need to reach you. Right.

Caller 2 (00:53:59):
I know. Well, they, they

Leo Laporte (00:54:01):
Need to reach

Caller 2 (00:54:01):
You. I already reached me. Yeah. With this link.

Leo Laporte (00:54:04):
Well, where did they send that link?

Caller 2 (00:54:06):
To my Gmail link.

Leo Laporte (00:54:07):
Oh, so you have done this,

Caller 2 (00:54:09):
You sent it. I, they sent it and when you click on it, you have to start immediately because it starts at 6:00 AM. So I click on exactly at 6:00 AM and they already have everybody busy. Yeah. I can't get through. I've spent hours for the last week. Yeah. Trying to get through to them. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:54:28):
Well, that's your only your only recourse. You have to get that account back before. You'll be able to get your data out of it, including your contacts, your calendar and your email.

Caller 2 (00:54:40):
Okay. Now I, because I was unable to talk to a person ever. I actually am thinking about going down to Sunnyvale. No, no. I'm, I'm pounding on the door and asking

Leo Laporte (00:54:51):
That. Yeah, no, won't do you any good? Really? First of all, they're not in Sunnyvale anymore. Second of all, it's the Apollo equity company. You don't care. They don't care. They're, it's a free, anytime you get a free service, you're gonna get support to match.

Caller 2 (00:55:05):
Yeah. Every time you have a, he had a free service. You're the pro you're the

Leo Laporte (00:55:09):
Product. You're the product. Yes. Yes. That's right. And so they don't, they don't, they're not gonna spend money on phone. Support's very expensive chat. Support's a little less expensive, but still they have to pay somebody to, to man it, and that's why there's three people handling millions of, so you just gotta get through. And at that point, if, if the account still exists, the thing that's puzzling to me, that's very unusual. It's much more typical to have what you've had in the past, which is you enter your account and they say the password has changed. Yes. This is weird because your email no longer exists. That's puzzling. And that means, I don't know what somebody deleted your email account. Now, what I'm hoping is that Yahoo can help you get it back. But if, if they can't, then all that data is lost.

Caller 2 (00:56:01):

Leo Laporte (00:56:02):
God, I know. I'm sorry. But, but you really that's the, the method that you just described, which is you, you give 'em your Gmail address. They send you a link, see if there's any other way you can contact them.

Caller 2 (00:56:14):
I've tried every possible thing I've called. They, they have, I've called four, four different 800 numbers. Yeah. And talked to four different people, women from the Philippines, right.

Leo Laporte (00:56:25):
The cheapest possible phone support. And what do they say to

Caller 2 (00:56:28):
You? And then she goes and checks with the, she chats with a tech person. And then she gets back to me, but they all have different answers and none of them work

Leo Laporte (00:56:37):
And none of them work.

Caller 2 (00:56:38):
No, no. I mean, I literally spent hours.

Leo Laporte (00:56:41):
How important to you is this data that is in that,

Caller 2 (00:56:44):
It's all I terribly important. It's all of my friends and my businesses I communicate with. It's all, all the data that I have. It's on that. I'm so sorry. And I don't have it otherwise.

Leo Laporte (00:56:55):
Yeah. I'm so sorry. Yeah. That all you can do is hope and pray that you will eventually get somebody who can help you.

Caller 2 (00:57:04):
I can't, I've given up, I already spent, well,

Leo Laporte (00:57:06):
Then you're at, if that's, if that's the case, you're outta luck because there's, that's where the data lives. And if you can't get into it, there's no, there's no third party that can get you into it. You, you, you have to get them to let you in. Sounds like, you know, they're terrible. And and I agree. And, but without their help, there's no hope there's no third. There's no program you can run or anything. It's it's you gotta be able to get into that account to get the data back.

Caller 2 (00:57:34):
So the, so you're suggesting, going back to what you said before that, when they said that when they, the me the opportunity to select another,

Leo Laporte (00:57:47):
Well, it sounds like you actually did that. You gave them the Gmail account. They send you a link. That's where they say 6:00 AM. Cuz they wanna work in Philippines time. That's, that's what they, that's what you're doing. You're doing the thing I said to do.

Caller 2 (00:58:00):
So I shouldn't not put anything in as a new username for you.

Leo Laporte (00:58:04):
No, that's not gonna help because, well, I mean, you can look at this point. I try everything they give you. Right. What else can you do?

Caller 2 (00:58:10):
Well, this is a thing. What, what I was afraid of is I put it in a new user name. Then that will obliterate the

Leo Laporte (00:58:16):
First. It won't obliterate. It'll just create a new account, which won't have the data, but maybe I don't understand their system, honestly. Okay. So maybe, I mean, it's worth a try. You've given up support for them.

Caller 2 (00:58:29):
Yeah. I mean, I, I spent probably 40 hours online. I'm not on the phone and I spent at least at 10 hours on. So

Leo Laporte (00:58:38):
You should get what, what you should get their telling me when you give them that Gmail address in that I forgot my username is not a link to chat, but a link to, I have to run unfortunately, but a link to recovery. So there should be a link that you would follow that would then let you enter new information. That's what you want. I'm sorry. That's all I have time to do because we gotta come back. Well, Hey, Hey. How are you today? Leo Laport. Mike a Sargent, your tech guys, two on the radio to help you with your problems. 88 88, ask Leo. We were talking with Shirley. I spent another 10 minutes with Shirley trying to figure out what happens. Let me use poor Shirley <laugh> as an example and tell you, you know, she, she told me that everything or all her friends, email and phone numbers, everything is in that Yahoo account, which she's now lost.

Leo Laporte (00:59:40):
She has no other copy of it. So there are a couple of lessons, so important. A, when you're using a free service, don't expect support. Yeah. Every support com phone call costs 20, 30 bucks. You've given them no money. Where's that money gonna come from the 20 to 30 bucks, the advertising revenue they make on you? $10, $20 a year. No. So there there's no incentive for them. That's why you get phone support. People who really don't know what they're doing. They have a notebook in front of 'em. They have no, they don't even understand what they're telling you. Literally. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:00:17):

Leo Laporte (01:00:17):
They're just reading off a page or checking a box on a computer and they can't help you obviously. And that's what you get. That's free support. So I've said this before, if you care about email a it's worth paying for it, whether it's, I mean, Yahoo's a premium email. I think Yahoo, honestly like AOL I know you've been there years and years and years. Just going time, time to move, time to move on as somebody that's why Gmail would be better, even though it's still free. At least Google still has a company.

Mikah Sargent (01:00:48):
I'm not super Shay about things, but my friends who have, you know, mentioned they have a Yahoo account, I will shame my friends for that.

Leo Laporte (01:00:54):
Well, you're doing, 'em a favor.

Mikah Sargent (01:00:55):
It's exactly.

Leo Laporte (01:00:56):
Get off the AOL account. Good off the Yahoo account

Mikah Sargent (01:00:59):
Have to,

Leo Laporte (01:00:59):
And ideally you'd pay for email. I mean, I pay for email. Yeah. It's not cheap. You and

Mikah Sargent (01:01:03):
I both fast mail,

Leo Laporte (01:01:04):
Right? Yeah. But then you have somebody to call and because you're a customer, they they'll, they'll, they'll more likely help you. The other thing that's really important is never trust any one system for vital information. You must always have multiple copies. You know, if at worst case you download it and print it out or you copy it to something, your phone, or you put it somewhere having a single copy of anything and you know, really it's not your fault. Surely the, the problem is that the, that the modern times made you a promise, which they could not keep.

Mikah Sargent (01:01:37):
What advice do we give somebody who doesn't have a computer of their own, especially I think the, what you mentioned earlier, printing it out is one option.

Leo Laporte (01:01:44):
If you can, if the computer lab has a printer writing it down, writing it down, you know, put it in a unfortunately I think the, the, and I take some blame for this. We've sold everybody, a bill of goods about the digital era that somehow this is gonna be better than pen and paper. Life is changed in many ways. It is. But along with that comes a requirement that you, I think have, you know, when we talked at the beginning of the show about hacks and, and people taking advantage of you, you're, you, you are now entering a whole new world that you know, nothing about. And it's as if, you know, we've said, Hey, life inside the zoo is gonna be great and forgot to say, but don't go in the lions cage. Yeah. You know, we, there's so much additional stuff that comes along with this digital era. And, and for most of us, it's mysterious, unknown, and we get into trouble. And so many people are getting into trouble, smart people. It's not a question of intelligence.

Mikah Sargent (01:02:49):

Leo Laporte (01:02:50):
Not at all. It's, it's, it's a question of of information. And frankly, the digital era is about a thousand times more complex, you know, surely probably had a phone book at one time. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> I remember I used to, my grandma used to have, I used to love

Mikah Sargent (01:03:04):
It. Yeah. My great-grand granddad did. I did.

Leo Laporte (01:03:06):
Did, was it okay. Now tell me it was a, it was a metal thing and had a slider and you'd put it on the letter and you'd press a button. It would open to that letter. Oh, oh. Was that fancy? I remember when I was a kid, so <laugh>

Mikah Sargent (01:03:17):
My great-granddad just had tabs. It's just

Leo Laporte (01:03:20):
A T it's like tabs. It's a paper book, but this has, but this is the same idea, except that it had mechanical system that would open up on the tab. That's

Mikah Sargent (01:03:26):

Leo Laporte (01:03:26):
Yeah. It's stupid. But anyway,

Mikah Sargent (01:03:29):
I like it, but

Leo Laporte (01:03:30):
That, but it had, it had some advantages now one disadvantage, if you lose it, it's gone. Yeah. Right. And so that's kind of the analogy to the digital world. If you lose access to that account.

Mikah Sargent (01:03:41):
Yes. Think of it the same way it's gone. Way gone. Yeah. You need to have your fireproof chest that you have a

Leo Laporte (01:03:46):
Copy somewhere. Yeah. You know, so that you can you can, you know, some, if the worst happens and the worst will happen when it comes to digital technology, let me tell you, yeah, they still sell 'em. I'm looking on Amazon. It's called the <laugh> the home X retro style flip, open a to Z address book, $13 man, or the classic flip, open a to Z phone directory. They still make 'em and it's not a flip phone. It's a, it's an address book.

Mikah Sargent (01:04:18):
And this is a, this is a good everybody out there who is listening right now. We are talking to you. You should. Yes. You have not backed up your data somewhere. If you have not found another way to make a copy of things. I'm we're not saying you need to buy the home X retro style, flip, open a Z address book.

Leo Laporte (01:04:36):
That's not a bad idea, not a

Mikah Sargent (01:04:37):
Bad idea, but you should go after listening to the show and make sure that your stuff is at least one other place, at least one other place.

Leo Laporte (01:04:46):
Yeah. And writing it down is fine. In fact, maybe better. I have in my I've mentioned this before I have in my drawer, a piece of paper that says in the case of my death or incapacitation and in it is the, a, the passwords, the links, the logins, all that stuff. And it's on a piece of paper written down because you know, pieces of paper survive.

Mikah Sargent (01:05:11):
I've got a drawer in which there are different printed out items that say, yeah, here's the password to my one password. Here's this, here's that in the event that I were to, you need

Leo Laporte (01:05:22):
That go away. I'm glad to hear you as a young guy. Yeah. Even as a young, I am on death store. So it's understandable. But you, as a young person do that, that's so smart. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:05:31):
You don't, you don't have to be old to confront your mortality. That's all I'm saying.

Leo Laporte (01:05:35):
Yeah. Kim is asking which drawer of the desk is that

Mikah Sargent (01:05:38):
I, Kim, I plead the fifth on the grounds that you might incriminate me.

Leo Laporte (01:05:43):
<Laugh> that's okay. We'll send in the FBI. We can find anything. James, on the line. Compton, California. Hi James Leo and Micah. Your tech guys. James. Hello? James.

Mikah Sargent (01:05:56):
James is getting closing that drawer. That's got his yeah. Passwords hidden

Leo Laporte (01:06:00):
In, come to the, come to the phone. My Beamish boy. Hello, James. He's. I can hear him rattling. Like he's he put down the phone? Cause we kept him on hold and now he's just kind of wandering around the office sadly

Mikah Sargent (01:06:13):
Soon. I'll pick up the phone and hear we're still not on here. You think I should

Leo Laporte (01:06:16):

Mikah Sargent (01:06:17):
Try it,

Leo Laporte (01:06:18):

Caller 3 (01:06:20):
<Laugh> well, thank you.

Leo Laporte (01:06:22):
<Laugh> works.

Caller 3 (01:06:24):
How we going?

Leo Laporte (01:06:25):
<Laugh> hello, James, what can we do for you? Leo and Micah. Your tech guys. We're great. How are you

Caller 3 (01:06:32):
Doing great. Doing great. Just working as usual. I'm know.

Leo Laporte (01:06:36):
Hey, we're all working. Although you know this isn't exactly, you know, a tough job, but we're working. We're working. What can we do for you?

Caller 3 (01:06:44):
Well, the thing is I'm shopping for a digital camera.

Leo Laporte (01:06:48):
Oh, how nice. Yes.

Caller 3 (01:06:50):
Thank you. And I'm kind of an old school. I still have a can on T 90.

Leo Laporte (01:06:55):
Love that. Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:06:57):
Oh man. I know I'm not gonna get much for that, but I have no intention of selling it,

Leo Laporte (01:07:01):
But you want to get something a little more modern

Caller 3 (01:07:03):
<Laugh> <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:07:05):
Is that right?

Caller 3 (01:07:07):
The old camera trying see, you know, image up upside down, you know, they still around, so wait, why should I, why shouldn't I kick my too? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:07:16):
Now does your T nine, did, did you get any lenses, additional lenses for it or you just use the lens that came with it?

Caller 3 (01:07:24):
I think I bought like a 200 millimeter lens for it.

Leo Laporte (01:07:27):
Okay. Okay. So you might want a camera that can use that lens. Huh?

Caller 3 (01:07:32):
I could still use it in certain cameras.

Leo Laporte (01:07:34):
Yeah. Canon, Canon, as far as I know has not changed the lens map. Let me see what, what, which model you said it's it was an EOS, right?

Caller 3 (01:07:44):
T 90 T 90

Leo Laporte (01:07:45):
T 90. Yeah. It's in the cannon camera museum. <Laugh> oh

Caller 3 (01:07:55):

Leo Laporte (01:07:56):
It's from 1986. They might have changed the lens Mount. That'd be interesting to see if they have, because if they have then yeah, you can't use the lens, you know, let's let's get, do you want, do you want interchangeable lenses or do you care?

Caller 3 (01:08:13):
Well, maybe see the thing is right now while the way my job is set up right now, you know, we have to take pictures and then attach 'em, you know, with different things document.

Leo Laporte (01:08:25):
I mean, I'll be honest. The camera a whole business has changed dramatically. Thanks to camera phones. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> many people and I'm, I hate to say, but I might even include myself in this no longer carry our cameras around because camera phones are so good that do you have a smartphone?

Caller 3 (01:08:45):
I have a smartphone. 

Leo Laporte (01:08:47):
It's honestly better than the T 90. I hate to tell you a little bit, it's probably better than you know, many of the can point shoots that were sold for so long. The big difference will be zoom. You know, the, the high end modern camera phones usually have two or three lenses. One of which is a zoom lens, but they don't have the same degree of zoom. They don't have the same control. So probably for the pictures at work a can, a smartphone would be fine. Any smartphone would be fine.

Caller 3 (01:09:26):
Smart. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:09:27):

Caller 3 (01:09:27):
You save money. I have a a same song. I think I had 20 S I think, and then something happens

Leo Laporte (01:09:35):
DS twentys

Caller 3 (01:09:36):
Excellent or something like that.

Leo Laporte (01:09:38):
Yeah, that's excellent. Or you can get the new ones, the S 22, they just introduced a couple of folding phones. I don't recommend those are overpriced for what you get, but almost any Samsung late model, Samsung phones gonna have a very good camera. The S 20 had a zoom as well as a, a wide angle. Honestly I think, I think unless you need a lot more control than most people do you know, the ability for instance, to manually set the focal length or to change the exposure so that it's darker or brighter. And even those things you can do with a camera phone, unless you're a, you know, a real artist I think you probably just continue to invest in your camera phone cuz honestly, so you said the S 20 broke. Do you have, what do you use right now?

Caller 3 (01:10:31):
Right now the phone, I think it's Samsung S 20 E O 20 D, but I had a 20 S and I think I accidentally went over the

Leo Laporte (01:10:44):
Well do, what do you, what's your,

Caller 3 (01:10:46):
In my, my over it and then cracked.

Leo Laporte (01:10:48):
Oh, no, well, that's probably the end of that. Yeah. If you drove on it. Yeah. Usually phones don't survive. Yeah. But so what do you, but what do you use day to day for your smartphone these days you're using a Samsung?

Caller 3 (01:10:58):
I think I, right now I'm using the the Samsung, I think S 20,

Leo Laporte (01:11:03):
That's a

Caller 3 (01:11:04):
Very, something like that. Maybe

Leo Laporte (01:11:06):
The Fe the fan edition the S 20 F Fe. Maybe these are very good. Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:11:12):
It's kind of, it's kind of old. It's about nine it's about maybe two

Leo Laporte (01:11:15):
Years old. I would take the money that you wanna spend on a camera. You're gonna have to get a phone anyway. Yeah. If you got a Mo for instance, excellent phone it's out right now from Google, the pixel six, a absolutely unbelievable camera better in most respects. Unless again, unless you are a pro and you really taking, you know, paying close attention to what you're doing, and you're, you're looking for special effects and stuff. If you're just, if you just want a camera, you whip outta your pocket, you take a picture and the picture is great. The pixel six a is a phenomenal choice. Couldn't recommend it more highly. In fact, I think they still sell the five a, which was also an excellent choice. So, and this is around 400, 500 bucks. I think that's, you know, you need a good phone anyway, you're gonna be spending the money on that. I would try that before you go crazy buying a standalone camera, by the way, that's why this market is dying. It is dying point and shoot cameras are pretty much gone. The only market left is for the very high end professional cameras for commercial photographers, an artist pixel six, a starts as 450 bucks. That's less than a decent, much less than a decent camera would cost. And it has an amazing camera.

Leo Laporte (01:12:38):
Yeah. I think the six a would be as good as almost any camera.

Mikah Sargent (01:12:42):

Leo Laporte (01:12:42):
You would buy these days, you know, an EOS rebel or you know, if Ken is still, so they suppose they do the G nine and something like that, but you know, you're gonna spend a thousand bucks for a point and shoot for a, a point and shoot doesn't make it doesn't make sense.

Mikah Sargent (01:13:01):
Not these days,

Leo Laporte (01:13:02):
It's sad, but I think we've actually hit that hit that cliff on, you know? Yeah. And if you, yeah, if you need a 200 millimeter lens, which he had, mm-hmm, <affirmative> you know, you're shooting, if you're shooting tigers and you don't wanna get too close. Okay. But I have to say the Samsung S 22 zoom.

Mikah Sargent (01:13:25):

Leo Laporte (01:13:26):
Good. Amazing. Really amazing. No, if you have a pixel five, I'd stay with a pixel five. You don't wanna go to six a no, not, yeah. Shoots the wrong word. No

Mikah Sargent (01:13:44):
Shoot cap tigers taking photos of take photos of, yeah. Cuz capturing, could also,

Leo Laporte (01:13:50):
Can you believe this?

Mikah Sargent (01:13:51):

Leo Laporte (01:13:53):
My grandma's was avocado green. Aw. And it had the slider on the outside, but it's the same idea and it's just a tabs directory. See, there's this thing is just a like mechanical tab holder.

Mikah Sargent (01:14:06):
Yeah. one of the callers the first week that you were gone he was a mechanic and he was talking about how that was a frustrating thing for him. How you know, back in his day when something was broken, you could just open it and fix it, see what was wrong and fix it. Yeah. So

Leo Laporte (01:14:22):
Actually you can't even do that with a car anymore. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:14:24):
So the second time this I did the show instead of starting out with a news item, we did tech therapy

Leo Laporte (01:14:29):

Mikah Sargent (01:14:31):
I talked about how, Aw, there's so much blame that we give ourselves. That's so cute and others and how we shouldn't because at fault is in so many cases, the technology and the way that you know, it's understandable why you would have frustration because if my sewing, machine's making a weird noise, I can open it up and fix the bobbin cuz that's, what's messed up with it. Right. But I can't, I can't fix the bobbin of an iPhone and there's a lot, that's just obscured to try to make it easier, but ends up making it harder.

Leo Laporte (01:14:59):
That's right. That's right. I always said, it's not your fault. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> they've made this stuff too. Darn complicated. How hot is it down there? Laura? In the Sherman Oaks, iHeart media building. <Laugh> beautiful. Downtown. It is so hot. She says so hot,

Mikah Sargent (01:15:26):
Beautiful Sherman

Leo Laporte (01:15:27):
Oaks, beautiful downtown Sherman Oaks, California, phone number eighty eight eighty eight, ask Leo 8, 8, 8, 8 2 7 5 5, 3, 6. I hope you don't feel like we make fun of you. We're not, we are very sympathetic. Well like surely I'm not. Oh no. It's not her fault. It's not, it's terrible. We're not making fun of you. We're not, I don't think you're you know, inept. A lot of times this is this isn't helpful. Geeks, engineers, computer nerds, whatever you call 'em who understand this stuff, don't understand people <laugh>. And so they blame you. They go, oh, well, come on. It's easy. You just kinda don't and then they type real fast and they go see, I fixed it Mimi. And then they wander away without

Mikah Sargent (01:16:15):
You go. Why anything? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:16:16):
What did you do? Yeah, man. It's just simple here. So that's not helping.

Mikah Sargent (01:16:21):
Yeah. Our job is to translate that geek into stuff that can be helpful for, to slow it down. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:16:27):
Cause sometimes it's just slowing it down. Yeah. There are people in the world who understand this in their deepest genes, you know, and their, to their cellular level mm-hmm <affirmative> and they don't understand how people could not understand

Mikah Sargent (01:16:40):
It. That's it? The, the lack of empathy.

Leo Laporte (01:16:42):
Unfortunately, those people <laugh> are the ones who write all the software, design the man. Very

Mikah Sargent (01:16:48):
Good at what they do.

Leo Laporte (01:16:49):
They're the ones that do it all. And so they're not, you know, they, they don't understand a normal person Dan, on the line, San Diego, California. Hello Dan.

Caller 4 (01:16:58):
Hey Leo, how

Leo Laporte (01:16:59):
Are you? I'm well, how are you?

Caller 4 (01:17:02):
Okay. I'm working with a company that is building a 100% electric carbo.

Leo Laporte (01:17:09):
I want one

Caller 4 (01:17:11):
<Laugh> and we have videos and we're trying to figure out how to make live links on our Instagram feed.

Leo Laporte (01:17:21):

Mikah Sargent (01:17:21):
What's a live link.

Leo Laporte (01:17:22):
So you wanna stream live video?

Caller 4 (01:17:27):

Leo Laporte (01:17:28):
Or you just want the video that you've made to show up on your Insta.

Caller 4 (01:17:32):
Yes. To, to play if possible.

Leo Laporte (01:17:36):
Well, yeah, you just post it <laugh> right. Yeah. I mean, am I wrong? I'm looking at Instagram, you press the plus button, create new posts, drag photos and videos here. They're not gonna be served from YouTube. Obviously you have to upload them to Insta from the computer and then they will show up as videos. In fact, Instagram, the good news really wants you to do this. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative> they, they, they are, they are suffering from massive TikTok jealousy.

Mikah Sargent (01:18:02):
You'll be prioritized in the algorithm for uploading

Leo Laporte (01:18:05):
Video. Yeah. So you'll see at the top, when you go to your Instagram, you see those circles, which is people's reals, or they used to call 'em stories. I think this everything's reals nowadays. Right? You click that and you're gonna see now, I guess it's still stories, but they really prefer video. They want you to post video. They think video's the hottest thing since since Facebook and they're desperate to get your videos. So I don't think there's gonna be any challenge now. If you do this, if you click, click the plus button and, and you drag the video there and it says something like, oh, it's too big or it's the wrong format. You might want to, you know, change the format, but you shouldn't have any trouble. And I think this is the best way to get your hang on the line. Cause I wanna buy an electric boat. Leo Laport, mic Sargent, your tech guys, electric carbo. What's the, what's an electric. Yeah. What's an electric car boat. As opposed to electric boat.

Caller 4 (01:19:02):
This one you can, you can drive on land and drive right into the water.

Mikah Sargent (01:19:07):

Caller 4 (01:19:08):
Has. It has hydrofoils. So it gets up on stilts.

Leo Laporte (01:19:13):
Okay. So what is the problem you're having, getting the video on there? I don't,

Caller 4 (01:19:17):
Well, I, I think we were posting links where the videos were.

Leo Laporte (01:19:22):
Oh yeah. FA so Insta doesn't want links. No Insta doesn't want links. Insta wants you to put your video on Insta, but the good news is you can just like, you would put it on YouTube. They don't, they, they won't let you click links. You can't even click links on Instagram unless they've changed that Lincoln

Mikah Sargent (01:19:38):
Bio Lincoln,

Leo Laporte (01:19:38):
Bio Lincoln bio. Yeah. You have to put it in. The bio is the only place. And then you can only put the link to your main website. What's your website.

Caller 4 (01:19:48):
It's start

Leo Laporte (01:19:53):
I want So I could drive to the beach and then I could just drive <laugh> into the water,

Caller 4 (01:20:02):
Drive into the water.

Leo Laporte (01:20:04):
What it, oh, look. It's so futuristic looking too. So you're you're, you're raising money for this right now.

Caller 4 (01:20:13):
Yeah. We have the designs. We have an engineering team with years of experience in amphibians gas powered amphibians. And we are redesigning it as a three Wheeler, like an appera but it has hydrofoils, so, oh, neat. It'll do 200 miles of range and a hundred miles an hour on land and then 40 knots and 60 miles of range on water.

Leo Laporte (01:20:37):
<Laugh> I want this

Mikah Sargent (01:20:37):
So is really cool.

Leo Laporte (01:20:39):
I want the, so this video that you have on your start engine page. Yeah. Do you have the original video of this?

Caller 4 (01:20:47):

Leo Laporte (01:20:47):
So just go to the Instagram and drag it into the window. If it rejects it, it would be because it doesn't understand the format or something, but if

Caller 4 (01:20:57):
It's, is there size limit?

Leo Laporte (01:20:59):
No, I think nowadays they really, how long is this video?

Caller 4 (01:21:05):
About two minutes, I think. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:21:06):
Yeah. That's so you have it on, it looks like Vimeo right now. Is that right? Or no? Yeah. Yeah. It is on Vimeo. So yeah, you can't put a Vimeo link on Instagram. They don't, they don't want you to do that. You could put it in your bio and I would, you know, if you have a Poseidon AMIB works Insta that make sure that your bio has this, this page in it, but okay. Yeah, that's for sure. But then you can actually, what I would start doing is shooting little videos. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> you know of the factory floor of the design interviews of the designers. Insta will tell, tell you when you drag it there. Oh, it's too big. They'll let you know what the limits are. I don't remember. Let me see if I can find it somewhere.

Mikah Sargent (01:21:48):
Yeah, I've got it in the show notes.

Leo Laporte (01:21:49):
Instagram video requirements. Oh, good. Are, do we put So you just have to make sure it's not too big. It's you know, it's MP4 MP five, that

Mikah Sargent (01:21:59):
Maximum file sizes 10 minutes or less and 650 megabytes.

Leo Laporte (01:22:05):
So you might have to recompress it. Yeah. has a page on videos. And what, what the videos requirements are. I think this is a great idea. I mean, this is the way to publicize it, right?

Caller 4 (01:22:18):
Yes. Because it's visual. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:22:20):
Yeah. Oh my goodness. You th when, when you think if you get enough investors, you're trying to raise oh, I, this actually is investors. So you can actually buy stock in this.

Caller 4 (01:22:31):
Wow. Yep. I'm a stockholder.

Leo Laporte (01:22:33):
Nice. It's so cool. Looking.

Mikah Sargent (01:22:36):
It is really cool. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:22:37):
I want it.

Caller 4 (01:22:39):
Thank you.

Leo Laporte (01:22:39):
Yeah. Well, good luck. We'll put a link in the show notes to the page so people can see it.

Caller 4 (01:22:46):
Oh, outstanding. Thank you so much. You're

Leo Laporte (01:22:48):
Welcome, Dan, have a good one.

Caller 4 (01:22:50):
You too.

Leo Laporte (01:22:51):
San Diego. Perfect place to own that

Mikah Sargent (01:22:53):
Is puttering around on my Poseidon, right into the water.

Leo Laporte (01:22:56):
Well, it fits right into my personal vision of my life. <Laugh> there you go. That five years

Mikah Sargent (01:23:03):
With so much Dustin.

Leo Laporte (01:23:04):
So what'd you say, what'd you say John?

Johnny Jet (01:23:06):
I said you don't want to hear me sing <laugh> oh,

Leo Laporte (01:23:08):
You are a little gravelly. Hello? Johnny jet travel guru. Johnny joins us every week to help us travel better with technology, Johnny jet dot coms. His website. Hello, John.

Johnny Jet (01:23:20):
Hello? Am I a little gravelly? Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:23:22):
A little

Leo Laporte (01:23:22):
Bit, a little bit. Have you been

Johnny Jet (01:23:24):
I just woke up from a little nap. Oh, oh. That's you're good.

Leo Laporte (01:23:27):
So jealous.

Johnny Jet (01:23:28):
Well, I have two little kids and they come in, you know, in the middle, you know, middle of the night, early in the morning. Last night, our smoke alarm went off at three 30. Oh no, just cuz the battery. I thought the battery is bad now, but I replaced the battery. I was like, I had faulty batteries. It turns out I didn't. My neighbor said they had the same problem. Oh no. It so hard. And it has like a whole building. Yeah. Yes. Eight. So anyway,

Leo Laporte (01:23:52):
Did it go off like, like alarm or did, was it beeping? The random, just a

Johnny Jet (01:23:56):
Beep deep.

Leo Laporte (01:23:56):
I hate that random chirp. I hate that. You

Mikah Sargent (01:23:59):
Go, what does that even mean? Oh,

Johnny Jet (01:24:01):
And it's hardwire. It's like, why does it even need batteries?

Leo Laporte (01:24:03):
Yeah, my RS too. And but that's a backup, the

Mikah Sargent (01:24:06):
Backup battery

Leo Laporte (01:24:07):
And then oh, I hate that. And my, and

Johnny Jet (01:24:09):
It has an eight. It has a seven year warranty, I guess. And this was eight, eight years.

Leo Laporte (01:24:14):
Well, that's another problem. By the way, people don't know this smoke detectors wear out.

Mikah Sargent (01:24:19):
You gotta replace 'em after a while.

Leo Laporte (01:24:21):
So that means it's time to get a new one, John. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:24:23):
And I'm gonna have to do it for every single room. Every

Leo Laporte (01:24:25):

Johnny Jet (01:24:26):
Room. I'm not gonna mess around waking up at three 30 in the morning again. Anyway,

Mikah Sargent (01:24:31):
If you have high ceilings, that's even worse. <Laugh>

Johnny Jet (01:24:33):
A couple places. Yeah. But not too bad. Yeah. Anyway, that's why I'm sounding a little rough,

Leo Laporte (01:24:39):
A normal smoke detector as a lifespan of eight to 10 years after that, you gotta it because you know, use a little radioactive a little metal in there to, to detect the smoke.

Johnny Jet (01:24:53):
Okay. Well it's good. I had no idea. I had no idea that they wore out.

Mikah Sargent (01:24:56):
I've thought about writing a book on those things. Cause a lot of people don't know that you have to drain your hot water heater once a year. Almost

Leo Laporte (01:25:03):
The sludge,

Mikah Sargent (01:25:04):
The stuff in the bottom sludge baby and the sacrificial rod that's in the middle of a hot water heater goes bad after a while. It

Leo Laporte (01:25:10):
Stops sacrificing after

Mikah Sargent (01:25:11):
A while. Quite literally it

Leo Laporte (01:25:12):
Does. It says I'm not doing this anymore. It's it's over.

Mikah Sargent (01:25:14):

Mikah Sargent (01:25:16):
Lots of those little things. Anyway, anyway, that's

Johnny Jet (01:25:18):

Mikah Sargent (01:25:19):
Of the, that's not travel travel,

Leo Laporte (01:25:21):
But you know, when you listen to this show, you learn, you learn. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:25:24):
Yeah. Actually speaking of learning, when I went away for seven and a half weeks, I came home and my car wouldn't start.

Leo Laporte (01:25:29):
Oh yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:25:31):
And my car was, you know, parts into the garage of front first. And I was like, how am I gonna get the battery started? Yeah. Anyway, my neighbor came over with this little thing. I just bought one. It's a, it's like a, it's a charger that you put that you normally would charge your devices with, but you can actually connect yes. Jumper cables

Leo Laporte (01:25:48):
Right. In these sufficient cranking power

Johnny Jet (01:25:52):
To, and he was like, I'll just jump it. And he just put it on right there. Aw and boom. Yeah. Yeah. So I just bought one yesterday at Costco. They sell him on, on Amazon. Costco had 'em yesterday for like $49. But yeah. And it's

Leo Laporte (01:26:05):
Great lifting my on batteries, but they, but you can't just use any old device. It has to have enough cranking power to, to turn over the alternator or whatever that I'm making things. Right.

Johnny Jet (01:26:14):
Well, it works. It works like a charm.

Leo Laporte (01:26:17):
Yeah. It's good.

Johnny Jet (01:26:18):
So anyway, it's a great little device for anyone traveling by car. Yes. Yes. And cause is it

Leo Laporte (01:26:25):
A battery tender? Tender? Which one did you get

Johnny Jet (01:26:28):
A battery tender?

Mikah Sargent (01:26:29):
Yeah. Those are really what you wanna use whenever you go away. Cuz they, what they do is they keep your battery trickle it yeah. Up and running so that you don't have to jump it

Johnny Jet (01:26:39):
For joining cut.

Leo Laporte (01:26:40):
I need one here on the yeah, you

Johnny Jet (01:26:41):

Mikah Sargent (01:26:42):
You should absolutely get a battery tender since you're

Johnny Jet (01:26:45):
We, we, will you put that in the show notes or tweet it out so I can, I will do that for you. Tech

Leo Laporte (01:26:49):
Ilab.Com <laugh> please.

Johnny Jet (01:26:50):
Yeah. And I do have some travel related, more air travel related. The us state department came out yesterday or two days ago saying they're launching a new program to renew passports online and they're taking the first 25,000 in August. So if you need to renew it, do it now because they're taking 25,000. I put it in the chat room. I'll tweet it out. But wait. But

Leo Laporte (01:27:13):
My mind doesn't expire to 2025. Could I go there and renew it

Johnny Jet (01:27:16):
Now? Now? No, no, no, no. It's it's is usually a year. So within a year. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:27:21):
So I have to wait until 20, 24 and then I can renew. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:27:24):
So I set reminds, but this is

Leo Laporte (01:27:25):
A pilot program by then. It'll

Johnny Jet (01:27:27):
Be, well, they actually

Leo Laporte (01:27:28):
The real deal,

Johnny Jet (01:27:29):
Right? They say it actually would be done by the end of the year. So I'm thinking December they're gonna launch it. Good. So you don't have to worry about that. Cause

Leo Laporte (01:27:35):
It's boy go doing that in person is a lot of work.

Johnny Jet (01:27:37):
It's only for renewing not to get a brand new one. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:27:40):
Or mailing. Mailing's another problem

Johnny Jet (01:27:42):
Too. And you have to be 25 years or older.

Leo Laporte (01:27:44):
Okay. That leaves Mike out. Yeah. Okay.

Johnny Jet (01:27:48):

Mikah Sargent (01:27:49):

Leo Laporte (01:27:50):
I'm not far off,

Johnny Jet (01:27:52):
But it's a great little program, you know? I, I, we wouldn't need it. I mean, it's such a pain to print up the forms and mail 'em yeah, yeah, yeah. And I've had multiple readers comment yesterday on my newsletter and saying that they did it took 15 minutes and it was great. So good. I'm just letting people know that it's a great little jump start. Good to 

Leo Laporte (01:28:10):
When you get your passport, couple of questions when you renew or get it for the first time. Congratulations. Young traveler. Do you recommend getting the passport card and do you recommend getting the extra pages?

Johnny Jet (01:28:23):
Definitely. So no longer. It doesn't cost anything more to get the extra pages, 52 pages. So always check mark that box.

Leo Laporte (01:28:30):
It's aspirational. I'm gonna be going in so many countries that I'm many extra pages, but that's makes you feel good.

Johnny Jet (01:28:37):
It does. But you know, just in case you start, you get a new job or whatever and you start traveling

Leo Laporte (01:28:41):
Around mean I have to. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:28:42):
I I've gone to the embassies in other countries. I've been in Thailand and hungry to get, to get extra pages added. They don't do that now. So you're just gonna have to get a new one that

Leo Laporte (01:28:54):
Happens. I, I was going to Canada so much and my, I ran out of pages for stamps on my passport. And at the time you could send it in, they'd add pages, but they don't do that anymore. So get, get the,

Johnny Jet (01:29:02):
I don't think Canada, I don't think they stamp anymore. If you have nexus, cuz I go to Canada all the time and I'm

Leo Laporte (01:29:08):
Pretty sure I love getting stamps. I always want stamps. Sometimes I get illegal stamps. Like you go to Machu and you go macho Pichu. They'll stamp your passport with little rubber stamps. Why is match Machu? Why is illegal John?

Johnny Jet (01:29:21):
It makes your passport invalid. Why? So? Because if you rip a page out or, or write on it, I'm not gonna rip a piece. It's not official.

Leo Laporte (01:29:30):
I went to WIA UIA down in south America, the, who was the Southern most post office and the continent and I got a little, they gave me a little or maybe it was the Faulkland islands. Anyway, they gave me a little stamp on my passport. You're saying that invalidated it.

Johnny Jet (01:29:46):
It does there's context.

Mikah Sargent (01:29:47):
I'm missing here. Why? I thought you had to get a stamp in every

Johnny Jet (01:29:49):
Place you could. No, no, no. These are places that are aren't official. You're not no countries. Oh, well these are like tourist destinations, tourist attract. Oh, okay. They did that once to me or in Fiji. They tried, we're not in Fiji. In the cook islands, you smash a foot island. You go to this island. You're like, would you like your passport stamps? I'm like, no, no, no, no. I mean,

Leo Laporte (01:30:07):
But really, I mean, how hard how hard, you know, would the border patrol have to be to TA say, well, you can't get, come back in the country. You've got Machu Pichu stamps.

Johnny Jet (01:30:18):
You know, it all depends on the country and the agent I've,

Leo Laporte (01:30:21):
That would be pretty tough.

Johnny Jet (01:30:22):
I've had, I I'm not too long ago. I was flying from like Portugal to middle east, via Germany, Frankfurt, and the agent in Frankfurt, couldn't find my entry stamp. And I had a, my passport, you know, a few years ago, you

Leo Laporte (01:30:37):
Can't be here. You never came in. He's

Johnny Jet (01:30:38):
Like, he's like, I don't see the entry stamp. He kept looking at everyone. And the, and the reason why is cuz I ended up seeing that the person who stamped it, it was so light. Oh that you can't. And when you have a book full of stamps, good

Leo Laporte (01:30:51):
Luck finally.

Johnny Jet (01:30:51):
So always mark, where, where they do it and look and make sure that there's a really good, legit dark stamp when you enter a country. Right. Because

Leo Laporte (01:31:00):
Somebody suggesting

Johnny Jet (01:31:01):

Leo Laporte (01:31:01):
In the chat room and I think I'll do this from now and bring your old passport, you know, one with the whole punched in it and have them Machu Pichu stamp that one <laugh> yeah. Or the world's Southern most post office stamp that one. So now should you get the passport card? Cuz that's an additional fee.

Johnny Jet (01:31:16):
It's I think it's 25, 30 $5. Yeah, definitely. I mean, it's nice to have a little backup. You can drive to Canada with that.

Leo Laporte (01:31:22):
They need a passport it's but it's a real ID, right? So you can get on a plane. It's

Johnny Jet (01:31:27):
It's a real ID, but you can also go to Canada, drive to Canada and, or,

Leo Laporte (01:31:31):
Or walk to Mexico. Yeah. You're allowed. Yeah. You can't

Johnny Jet (01:31:33):
Fly. You can't fly. You can't fly. Which is weird.

Leo Laporte (01:31:36):
Yeah. My daughter had to actually fly to Ensenada, get a, get a Uber to the bridge, walk over the bridge into Mexico using her PA cuz she didn't have a passport Tijuana, Tijuana, Tijuana. And yeah, she flew to San Diego, took it an Uber to the bridge. Took Tijuana, walked to Tijuana and walked into Tijuana and then took, got on a plane for Tijuana to go to the rest cuz she had the car, but didn't have a passport. Wow. There's a lot of extra work, but still I haven't. It worked cuz she had the card.

Johnny Jet (01:32:02):
Definitely. And I, you know, by the way I haven't been to that Tiana airport, but I've heard, it's great. Especially for people in San Diego, it's so much cheaper and if you're flying to Mexico, you know, you walk across the border and then fly within Mexico.

Leo Laporte (01:32:15):
Well, I, we just used up all your time, but I thank you Johnny I'm sure there's lots of great stuff that he was gonna talk about and all be at the website. Johnny Thank you Johnny.

Johnny Jet (01:32:25):
Thank you.

Leo Laporte (01:32:27):

Johnny Jet (01:32:28):
That's about all I was gonna talk about

Leo Laporte (01:32:30):
<Laugh> she couldn't fly back. She had to then do the same thing to get home. Wow. She had to fly to Tijuana. She was in Cabo. She'd fly to Tajuana and walk across the land bridge into San Diego.

Johnny Jet (01:32:40):
Did she have a passport and just didn't

Leo Laporte (01:32:41):
Have it with her? No, just now, now she applied for replacement passport. She had a wait in line at the passport office. And you have to make an appointment. It's a complicated thing anyway. Yeah. I like the passport card. I carry it in a separate, well that I think it probably also helps you get a replacement. If you lose your password, right? I

Johnny Jet (01:33:01):
Would. Well, you should have a scan of your passport.

Leo Laporte (01:33:03):
I always do

Johnny Jet (01:33:04):
My card and keep it somewhere handy. So in case your passport does get stolen. Exactly. I was traveling in central Europe with my buddies and he left his passport in the safe. And this is like 15 years ago. I think we were going from Budapest to Vienna and back then they used to go. They used to the guard, used to come on the train when you were crossing the border and then he's like, Hey

Leo Laporte (01:33:27):
Bus please.

Johnny Jet (01:33:28):
Yeah. And I was like, you're joking. You forgot it. Oh anyway, what did he do? They actually, the, the guy was nice. He'd let him slide for, he gave him like a, I think he said you had like eight hours to have it FedExed or something or the next day. And he called the hotel in the hotel

Leo Laporte (01:33:44):
Sunday. Oh, that's nice. Whew. When we were when my daughter was in high school in France, we went to, to visit her and Jennifer left her passport in the bathroom. She went to the bathroom to left it on the thing it was gone of course. But I think it was all arou just to get a few extra days in Paris. <Laugh> cause

Johnny Jet (01:34:01):
I feel like I would get

Leo Laporte (01:34:02):
Henry and I went home and Jennifer just, you know, had to wait till the us embassy opened in Paris. Wow. Which was like, it was for the weekend or something. So she had to wait a few days.

Johnny Jet (01:34:12):
This is a whole nother segment, but us passports can go for about $5,000 on the blackmail.

Leo Laporte (01:34:17):
Yeah. Yeah. Don't don't be

Johnny Jet (01:34:18):
Very, do you don't wanna lose it? And my wife lost on her once. <Laugh> keep it in there. Remind me at tiny of time. My wife lost hers in Estonia. Where bike riding.

Leo Laporte (01:34:28):
Yeah. Oh that was what happened.

Johnny Jet (01:34:30):
I, I was a nightmare.

Leo Laporte (01:34:32):
It's my nightmare though. I would lose my passport. That sounds terrible, but okay, so here's the question. Yeah. You're in a, in a foreign land. Should you carry your passport with you as you walk about? Or should you leave it in the hotel safe?

Johnny Jet (01:34:44):
It all depends on the country. Like some countries like Russia, you need to, and we were, we were on a cruise, we were on a Seaborn cruise. We

Leo Laporte (01:34:49):
Have to have it with you.

Johnny Jet (01:34:50):
And they for, well, for Estonia, they told us to bring it. Yeah. So not that other countries. We didn't need it. This

Leo Laporte (01:34:55):
Is why cruises. Cuz they, they assume you're an idiot and they will tell you, which is good, what you need to do in every country.

Johnny Jet (01:35:02):
But the problem is they do that. We got back onto to cruise and we said she can't find her passport. Ooh. They said, they said you can't sail our next destination's Poland. And they won't allow anyone. And otherwise they'll get fined like a million dollars. Holy. So we, she had to run to the Canadian embassy. The first one's like, we can't issue a new one. We can only give you one for emergency travel. You have to go right back to Canada tomorrow,

Leo Laporte (01:35:23):
Tonight. Oh my God.

Johnny Jet (01:35:25):
It's I mean it gives me goosebumps talking about yeah, because I'm getting goosebumps too. The story is insane. The whole way, way when and it's has a happy ending though.

Leo Laporte (01:35:33):
Well, what was the happy ending?

Johnny Jet (01:35:36):
It's it's a longer story. But anyway, it's like, I wanna tell the whole

Leo Laporte (01:35:38):
Thing. She now lives in Canada. <Laugh>

Johnny Jet (01:35:40):
So no, no. She called the woman called the police station for the second time. Right before she was gonna avoid it. And she said, you must have a guardian angel because it just

Leo Laporte (01:35:49):
Returned. They found it.

Johnny Jet (01:35:50):
Someone just returned it.

Leo Laporte (01:35:52):

Johnny Jet (01:35:53):
There's a, there's a whole nother story. I'll send you the link to her post on it.

Leo Laporte (01:35:57):

Johnny Jet (01:35:58):
But it was incredible. There are some really good people out there. So don't believe everything.

Leo Laporte (01:36:03):
Post the link in the chat room. We'll put it in the show notes. We yeah. Let see if a little traffic to Natalie's website. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Wow. Well, wow. Don't lose your passport kits.

Johnny Jet (01:36:14):
Do not and guard it.

Leo Laporte (01:36:17):
God, that's kind of scary. So usually I'll leave. It just I'll leave it in the hotel in the safe, because I don't wanna drop it.

Johnny Jet (01:36:25):

Leo Laporte (01:36:29):
But sometimes you need it.

Johnny Jet (01:36:30):
I, I, I don't, I don't take it with me while I'm

Leo Laporte (01:36:32):
In other countries. And then except if I need it, I wear my Scott Eves and put it in the secret, super secret pocket

Johnny Jet (01:36:38):
It's or, or a money belt.

Leo Laporte (01:36:40):
Yeah. Somewhere, no one can steal it when they make a record and they do it a lot where you're at a party mm-hmm <affirmative> right. Marvin gay, whatever this is <laugh> do they actually have a party in the studio and record that?

Johnny Jet (01:36:56):
That's a good question.

Leo Laporte (01:36:57):
Or are they

Johnny Jet (01:36:58):
Taking a bunch of different things?

Leo Laporte (01:37:00):
I, you know what I think layering. They find everybody who's hanging around. Come here, come, come here, come on, come on, come on, come on in. Okay. Now pretend you're having a good time, cuz that's really what it sounds like. IM prompt them. And then they stand in front of a microphone and go, ah, and that's it. That's the story. Maybe see, I ask the questions that others

Johnny Jet (01:37:19):
Are too afraid

Leo Laporte (01:37:20):
Are too afraid to even think of <laugh> 88, 88. Ask Leo. That's the fun number. You know what I haven't mentioned the whole day, we have not mentioned mic Sargent the the website and you, and you put so much effort into putting stuff up there that everybody should know. Tech guy It's free. We don't do it because you're gonna be charged or you have to sign up for an email so we can send you, you know, invitations to buy cookware. It, we don't do any of that. <Laugh> we just, we just have to have it somewhere so you can go. You don't have to remember anything. And there's all the links there. All the information. Micah puts those there. We also put a transcript of the show, audio and video as well. So it's, you know, takes a couple of days to get everything up there. But once it's all there, that is the compendium. All the knowledge for episode 1,917 that you'd ever want. Next call is Mike from Rockville center, New York. Hello Mike.

Caller 4 (01:38:19):
Hi Leo. Hi Micah. How are you

Leo Laporte (01:38:21):
Doing well, thank you. Welcome. Great. What's up?

Caller 4 (01:38:26):
So longtime fan back to the screensavers I'm thinking about dabbling more with Lennox. Oh, and I'm trying to decide between the system 76 laptop or the framework laptop.

Leo Laporte (01:38:42):
Oh wow. Now this is a question.

Caller 4 (01:38:43):
Give me one way or the other

Leo Laporte (01:38:44):
Right up my alley since I have both <laugh> so the screens you meant thank you for watching all those years ago. I think probably screensavers was alive. Call help shows. It was very much like this, but it was on TV. It was on a cable channel called tech TV from 98 through 2004. And I think we take, we can take credit for being the very first and probably the last national television show to install Linux live on the air. Wow. I think anybody's ever attempted that before or since. But that's how far back my relationship goes with Linux. Linux is the third operating system. Actually, nowadays you have to say it's the fifth operating system because you've got Mac, you've got windows, but you also have iOS and you also have Android. Those are the dominant by far 99.9% operating systems. But there are people out there who prefer a free open source operating system created in the early nineties by Linus to vaults called Linux.

Leo Laporte (01:39:47):
It's a, it's a actually quite a beautiful, elegant operating system that over the years I think has become more polished and very usable. I think it's every bit as good as windows are Mac and it's my preferred operating system. So in all over after all those years, so you, you, you, you ask an interesting question. What kind of hardware should I get to run Linux? And the truth is almost any computer that can run a PC will run Linux just fine. I very often will buy windows PCs from companies like Dell and Lenovo. And after I tire of windows, which depending on the year may take a year or five minutes <laugh> lately it's been, you know, pretty short <laugh> and then I can put Linux on, or you can do even do a dual boot, which is nice. Then you have windows and you have Linux and you choose when you first turn on the machine, which you want to use.

Leo Laporte (01:40:37):
So any of those will work framework is I really like this company. They make a repairable laptop that you can add components to you. Can you, they just recently, you know, I got the first one had the 11th generation Intel processor. They just recently put up for sale a new motherboard that will go in exactly the same. Everything else is the same with the 12th generation Intel. I mean, that's, that's incredible mouse fail or track pad fails. You can buy a new one, open it up, put it in a new one, all the pieces replaceable. And it's a great laptop. It's one of my favorite laptops. There is only one negative and it runs Linux. I use Manjaro, but it runs Debbie. It runs most versions of Linux. Fine. In fact, the Manjaro that I use is my preferred Linux. Even the fingerprint reader on the framework works with, it took a little bit of little mental fiddling, but not much.

Leo Laporte (01:41:30):
And it works. So it really is beautiful. The only negative is at least on the one I have and I, most people complain it's battery life, a few hours, three hours, four hours. There is some evidence that with the new 12th generation chip that they're now selling the 12th generation Intel, that you'll get better battery life. Cuz the Intel is a little bit more efficient system 76 makes doesn't sell windows machines framework does framework. You can get it with windows or nothing. You can put Linux on it. If you want system 76 is a company that sells Linux laptops and desktops. They're great. I didn't know they had desktops. Their desktops actually are the best choice because they make them themselves. The laptops they buy from a company called Cleo, which is a Chinese company that white labels, laptops to a lot of people and they're okay.

Leo Laporte (01:42:16):
They're not great. Honestly I think Adele is a very good choice. Dell even sells laptops, developer, XPS laptops, with a Buntu on them. You can put any Linux of course on afterwards. Lenovo's famous for making great laptops for Linux. That's changing a little bit, thanks to something Microsoft's introduced called Pluton which like Pluto, the dog is a little bit goofy. It is a security chip, but on the latest Lenovos just a couple of models. It does seem to block Linux. So don't get one with Pluton, but any of the other Lenovos would be excellent. And, and a lot of Linux developers and oddly enough, another operating system, a Unix operating system called BSD. A lot of their developers use Lenovos. So they're very compatible with third party operating systems. So I think, I think I would, I like the, if you can live with the not great battery life, I like the framework. Cause I love their philosophy. I wanna support 'em but I have many systems, 76 laptops. They're great. If you want a desktop, their theos are amazing. Looking, not cheap. They do look really cool. <Laugh> they are, they've got wooden, you know, outsides and stuff. They're really like, nice. Are you looking for a laptop, Mike?

Caller 4 (01:43:32):
Yeah. Yeah. That's everything I do is on laptop.

Leo Laporte (01:43:36):
Yeah. That's normal. That's normal. I wouldn't get a system 76 laptop to be Frank because they, they don't make 'em themselves. And so they're, they're kind of, I think the framework is probably a better choice in laptops and I love the fact you can upgrade it and you could choose what modules you have and so forth. It's a, those are real.

Caller 4 (01:43:54):
Yeah. Do you have any recommendations on which with which devices to sticking towards ports use the,

Leo Laporte (01:44:02):
I, you know, I've I, when I got mine, I got it with an HTMI port, which I never used. So I replaced that with the one terabyte SSDs, you can get a little extra external SSD, not fast enough to run the computer, but great for backup and things like that. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> you, you certainly, you know you want at least one Thunderbolt slash USB C port, because you'll use that for charging. I it's nice to have one on each side. It give you four ports. So I had two type CS, a type a cuz I thought, well, that's nice in case I ever want to use an old, old school USB key. And then I replace the Thunderbolt with the flash drive, but they have, they're getting more all the time and what's cool is they don't, they're not proprietary. So they're letting third parties make these modules. And you're gonna start seeing some very interesting stuff. If you use ethernet they don't offer one, but I think there's a third party that's making, starting to make an ethernet module for the framework. I'm I'm a fan of the framework. I think they're affordably priced. I think battery life is getting better. I love the upgradeability. I think that's fantastic.

Caller 4 (01:45:08):
And I know Corey's a big fan too.

Leo Laporte (01:45:10):
Yeah. Lots of people are well, you know of course Cory doctor O was a Lenovo guy and now uses frameworks and Linus from Linus tech tips. LTT the YouTube superstar is actually an investor in framework. So he liked it so much. He, he bought part of the company. So I I'm with him. I think we need repairability and it's great to support repairability so that, you know, the time comes the idea that you could replace the processor. And that framework is very exciting to me. You know, if when, if you know, the 15th generation Intel is suddenly, you know, amazingly better with great batter life, you could put it in there. That's incredible. Incredible. So framework gets my endorsement. Which Linux are you thinking of using?

Caller 4 (01:45:55):
I was thinking of Papa west, but then maybe

Leo Laporte (01:45:58):
That's very good. Look at Manjaro that's that would be my choice. Thanks Mike. Leo Laport, Mike, a Sargent, the tech guys and Linux enthusi. <Laugh> have you I mean, pop is very, very good and it's, that's one thing I, I appreciate system seven, six doing is, is, is doing that, cuz they've really put some money into it and it's a really nice OS. I, I think it runs well on the framework. I think I installed it as well at one point it's Debbie and based Debbie and Ubuntu pop OS. And the reason I use Manjaro is it's arch based. It's a rolling distro, so it's gotta have more up to date apps and they'll be kept up to date, which I app I appreciate. That's the only reason I use Manjaro and it runs very nicely on the framework.

Caller 4 (01:46:48):
The only other one I was thinking of was mint,

Leo Laporte (01:46:52):
Minsk, beautiful too, also in a Buntu derivative, like Papas, I would go to the framework forums because there are framework users. Who've used all the different Linuxes. In fact, now I think now that it's been a year, they have sections for most of the Linuxes and what you need to do to get 'em to work and how fully they work and so forth. I think almost everything works with it. Fine framework. Really their intent initially I think, was to make windows machines. They're not specifically for Linux, but you can get 'em without any OS, which is right. Very nice. Yeah. I don't know. Golia got a framework she's in our discord chat. Do you love your framework? She says Ray framework, technically you can carry an extra battery and switch, not the best solution. And then she's talking about something else. <Laugh> trains <laugh> but you, yes. She says she likes her framework. I I've seen a few people. There's a Reddit subreddit slash R slash framework. Right. And I would read that there are some people who are unhappy with their frameworks. There are some potentially some issues. Some people don't like the squeaky hinge that early frameworks came with. I don't have that problem. I haven't had any problems in the clinic. It's been stellar.

Leo Laporte (01:48:13):
Cool, Mike, I appreciate it. A great question. Great.

Caller 4 (01:48:16):

Leo Laporte (01:48:16):
A lot. Leo take care. Bye-Bye

Leo Laporte (01:48:21):
So how did you start the show when you hosted it? Hello friends. How are you today? Oh, I like that. Hello? Friends? Yeah. Hello friends. Leo LaPorte, Mica Sargent. We are your tech guys for the day. The special this week is how to get off Yahoo mail. <Laugh> indeed eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo as the phone number (888) 827-5536 that's to free from anywhere in the us or Canada. Could we do is it possible that, can you make a QR code that has a phone number? Oh yeah, yeah. Can we put like a, put a big QR code on screen and people would just take a picture with their phone and they press a button and it would automatically dial us. Yeah. Seems like a lot of work. That's not, I could generate it in four seconds. Oh, all right. There you go.

Leo Laporte (01:49:05):
Right now, 88, 88, ask Leah. We'll put that QR code up for the, for there are people, you know, it's funny cuz I remember when QR codes started barcodes and stuff and I thought, no one's ever gonna do that. They're back, baby. I thought that's crazy. Wait, I have to wait a minute. You're telling me I have to take out my phone. In those days, you had to have a special program. You had to download to read them. I'm gonna take out my phone. I'm gonna launch that program. I'm gonna aim the camera at this, you know, add on the wall and get a QR code and I'm gonna click the link just to go to that website. You think that's what I'm gonna do? And I thought that's ridiculous. And of course that's all everybody does now. Now. Yeah. QR codes. They QR codes are in come back. Yeah. 8 88, 8 2 7 5 5 3 6. He's making the QR code as we speak Tim on the line from Oak Hills, California. Hello Tim.

Caller 5 (01:49:53):
Hey, good afternoon, Leo.

Leo Laporte (01:49:55):
Thanks for calling.

Caller 5 (01:49:56):
Hey, thank you. And thanks Micah. Great job in your solo career the last few weeks. Great.

Leo Laporte (01:50:02):
Thank you. Well, I'm getting on. I gotta, you know, I gotta think about, you know, the future, the younger generation and all that. So

Caller 5 (01:50:08):
Believe me. I understand. Yeah. And anyway, thanks as always. I have a couple old windows, seven machines that I keep around the house for different reasons and here's my dog barking. He loves you too. <Laugh>

Caller 5 (01:50:21):
One of is windows, windows, seven professionals. So I use the virtual XP part of that for a couple of just really cool XP programs that I use. Right. And I was doing that, doing that last Sunday, listening to your show. And when I went back to windows seven out of the virtual XP, it said windows has updates available. I'm like, well, I thought that hasn't been around for, you know, a couple of years, so sure enough, it, it installed new windows, seven updates on that, on that old machine, which, which brought me to my question today. I have another machine. That's an HP, it's a DV seven series. So it's a few years old. I came with windows seven and it busted. So I, I had the HP replacement discs, which restores it, you know, to factory windows seven. But that, that machine and one other that's in the same situation, just ReSTOR the original HP factory just to windows seven. I can't get it to update at all windows seven, not even to, to, you know, to get the edge when they threw a edge to windows seven users for a bone. It, I, so I guess my question is, is there a site where I can get the last rights of windows seven updates?

Leo Laporte (01:51:30):
<Laugh> yeah. Wouldn't that be great? It's all clear. Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Where can I get the updates to get me at least? So windows seven went outta support a couple of years ago. They don't right. They don't offer support. You're right. Occasionally Microsoft will be very ENT and offer you well, okay. You windows seven user usually it's because there's such a horrific bug that they've just got to fix it or they're gonna be so embarrassed.

Caller 5 (01:52:01):
That's what happened to that one machine then? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:52:02):
That's probably why you got an update to that, but why you might ask don't they offer a roll up of all the windows, seven updates to at least get it to the most up to date you can get

Caller 5 (01:52:15):
Yeah. To at least the last stuff that they offer before they cut us off. That's that's where I wanna

Leo Laporte (01:52:19):
Get to. Yeah. Yeah. Is there such a thing Michael windows seven update roll up is what you would want. Not a fruit roll up an update, roll up.

Caller 5 (01:52:27):
Yeah. Even a zip file or some kind OFC file that I could, you know, install to get me up. Cause when I try to even install edge, it says that I don't have the service pack update, updated enough to get the edge that they threw us. And then I try to, well say, okay, well I'll go get that. And then there's no place to update that.

Leo Laporte (01:52:44):
I'm on the website for windows seven convenience, roll up update for windows seven and I'm looking at it, but I don't see link anywhere. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> to the convenience roll up. My guess is Microsoft has decided let's see here's the M then it sends you to the Microsoft update, catalog this by the way. Ah, yes, you can get it. This is something that it professionals use. It's called the update catalog. You know, normally when you run windows update, you run, you know, you, you go to this control panel, you run update, right. And, and it will do it on the fly. But if you think

Caller 5 (01:53:26):
About, and when I try that, of course it says,

Leo Laporte (01:53:29):
Yeah, that you won't even, that server's gone. Right. And the reason Microsoft offers this catalog is if you're an it guy with a thousand machines, are you gonna go to every machine and do that? No. What you wanna do is download a file that you put on your server and then all those machines log into the server and do it. They still offer this. Now this one is last updated on May 17th, 2016. <Laugh> it's the update for windows seven for as X it's KB 3 1 2. So here's my suggestion. It looks like you can go to the Microsoft update catalog, which is catalog dot, and search for windows seven updates. And they still are online. Some of them, so, okay. So what you're gonna wanna do is go and find whatever the last roll up is. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> it looks like 2019, December security and quality rollup. No that's dot net, but you can see when you go to the catalog, there's a ton of them and you just

Caller 5 (01:54:34):
Fool. Yeah. Fool around with that then would I have to update to the latest service pack? Yes. The factory dis probably brought me back to probably 26.

Leo Laporte (01:54:42):
So you're gonna, that's the first thing you're gonna look for is get to the latest service pack. You might have to do SP one and then, you know, whatever, I don't know what the latest one was, but the last one was okay, but you'll see, I'm, I'm looking at I'm surprised, but there are a lot of, and these are just downloads that with exe files that you run

Caller 5 (01:54:58):
Very Coolio. If, if there's any way you could put that in the show notes. I'll

Leo Laporte (01:55:02):
You got it, all done. Tech guy,

Caller 5 (01:55:04):
You guys are awesome. Have a wonderful rest of your weekend. I appreciate it all the time. You're

Leo Laporte (01:55:07):
Welcome. Yeah. As well, this is a really good thing to know about for everybody who uses windows. And I'm sad that you should even have to know this, but it is a good thing to know because it's not unusual that you go to the control panel. Right. And it says, no, you're not gonna do it. Right. And if you know, you can go to the Microsoft update catalog and download that as a standalone update. Often that works.

Mikah Sargent (01:55:29):
If I went to this website and didn't hear from you to go to this website, I would think it was a fake website. It looks terrible.

Leo Laporte (01:55:34):
Yeah. But

Mikah Sargent (01:55:35):
Looks like it's not a good, I mean, it is, you

Leo Laporte (01:55:37):
Know, you know how you, you know, how you click the little padlock and you make sure that this, this, that this is from Microsoft mm-hmm <affirmative> so you, and I'm looking connection security. It says verified by Microsoft corporation. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and then you can actually look at the certificate and you always wanna do that.

Mikah Sargent (01:55:52):
And also the base URL is com com. There's no zero in place of the O or anything like that.

Leo Laporte (01:55:58):
Well, and sometimes that's hard to see, right. It could be yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:56:00):
Copying and paste in that

Leo Laporte (01:56:01):
Can be. Yeah. So it's a very good idea to, to click that little padlock on your browser and look at the, if you're at all nervous, cuz the last thing you'd want to do is up download one of these from a malicious server. Exactly. Cause it'd be pretty much guaranteed the end of your your windows machine. So I'm looking right now at the security information on that site and you know, it says verified by Microsoft. You can view the certificate, you can make sure it really is Microsoft. And it is, and then it's safe to download any of those updates and run. 'em That's a really handy thing to know when I searched for windows seven, it said your search resulted in over 1000. <Laugh> matching updates only the first thousand in returned. So there's,

Mikah Sargent (01:56:45):
There's a lot specific if you can.

Leo Laporte (01:56:47):
There's a lot. I'm actually surprised. I, I was prepared to tell a Tim that no. Why would Microsoft offer any updates? They don't want you to use windows seven, but remember Microsoft sees job one as supporting corporate users. Mm-Hmm business users. And a lot of them are still on older

Mikah Sargent (01:57:05):
Machines as Mary Jo and Paul have both said all those dentists out there whose yeah. Whose offices are running on windows seven. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:57:12):
<Laugh> there's a ton of them. Alright. Let's see. I don't think

Mikah Sargent (01:57:17):
Don't don't there's time,

Leo Laporte (01:57:17):
Time. So let's take a break.

Mikah Sargent (01:57:19):
I did get your QR code.

Leo Laporte (01:57:21):
You did? Yeah. When we come back, I'm not gonna tell you the number anymore. I'm just gonna flash it. Your no, I will. Cuz it's a radio, but Richard hang on the line. Say odd Jack. You're all coming up. Leo LaPorte, Micah Sargent your tech guys. 88 88, ask Leah, ah, the last windows seven ISO you'll ever need how to slipstream the convenience. Roll up. That's a good article.

Mikah Sargent (01:57:50):
What words does sound like?

Leo Laporte (01:57:51):
Yeah. When I think people thought, when I said roll up that I was joking

Mikah Sargent (01:57:54):
Slip stream, the convenience rollup

Leo Laporte (01:57:57):
That's that's actually what they call it. And this is a good article. We'll put this in the show notes as well. Apple rollups are my favorite. Thank you Mars room. This is from how to geek and what it is really is you get the windows seven ISO and then you can insert in the ISO the update. So that essentially your installer now, ah, is the up to

Mikah Sargent (01:58:16):
Date version. Clever. Clever. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:58:18):
So this is a very useful, but it's a little,

Mikah Sargent (01:58:20):
Yeah, a little complicated, but if you follow through all these steps,

Leo Laporte (01:58:23):
How to geek is a great site for this stuff. Thank you. Mars

Mikah Sargent (01:58:28):
Worm to integrate a 64 bit package.

Leo Laporte (01:58:32):

Mikah Sargent (01:58:32):
Use this terminal command.

Leo Laporte (01:58:34):
So the words slip stream and roll up. Are your words of the week?

Mikah Sargent (01:58:41):
The letter of the week is

Leo Laporte (01:58:44):
S S four slip stream slipstream

Mikah Sargent (01:58:48):
Or south Paul. Eh.

Leo Laporte (01:58:52):
Oh, look at that. Our QR code. Let me try it.

Mikah Sargent (01:58:56):
Yeah. Hold up your iPhone. Where'd you

Leo Laporte (01:58:58):
How'd you make that?

Mikah Sargent (01:58:59):
I just went to a, a site that has QR code generation cuz phone numbers are one of the basic end codings that you can do and I've already checked it. It only has your phone number in there.

Leo Laporte (01:59:09):
<Laugh> that's very cool. Very cool. Very, very, very, very quiet. I'm hunting. Rabbits. Could you tell that was my password <laugh> there's probably somebody out there that's

Mikah Sargent (01:59:35):

Leo Laporte (01:59:35):
Who can use that to

Mikah Sargent (01:59:36):
They actually in the latest version of iOS, there is a new feature that shuts down an a third party apps. Well, any app actually outside of the app that you're using from turning on the microphone while you're typing in a code of any sort for that very reason. I mean, it would be ridiculous. I'm sure with some machine learning work, you could feed a bunch of information that changes the sound of what's being typed based on how far away it is from the microphone. And the vibrations that it might make in the phone based on where you're tapping. But in order to circumvent that apple has set it so that it disables the microphone while you're typing in a password.

Leo Laporte (02:00:20):
Oh, that's very clever. Oh look, it works 8, 8, 8, 18. That is so cool. That's pretty cool. We gotta do that. We gotta put that somewhere. Stick that somewhere. Should it, we should I print it out and we could put it behind me.

Mikah Sargent (02:00:37):
<Laugh> that's true. <Laugh> instead of the tech guy logo, it's just a

Leo Laporte (02:00:41):
Cure. It's a QR code

Mikah Sargent (02:00:42):
Or you could, can you put it on the other end? Left side? Is that right? Side is QR code.

Leo Laporte (02:00:47):
Yeah. John let's do it. Make it. So that's actually actually is handy.

Mikah Sargent (02:00:53):
Yeah. Cuz with most modern phones they just do

Leo Laporte (02:00:56):
This. That's a lot easier automatically. So yeah. Wow. Oh, you don't have to even launch your camera. Now you have to,

Mikah Sargent (02:01:03):
You do have to launch your camera, but yeah, it used to be where you had to say, I'm trying to scan QR code. Now you don't have to do that.

Leo Laporte (02:01:09):
And look, it's calling. It's incredible.

Mikah Sargent (02:01:12):
You know, I've never called the number. I don't even know what it happens whenever you do.

Leo Laporte (02:01:17):
That's what happens? That means what does that mean? With that sound, that means there's no lines available for you. The fast busy means the trunk is full. Yep. Or is that a regular busy?

Mikah Sargent (02:01:34):
I'm not a phone hacker. So I dunno.

Leo Laporte (02:01:36):
I don't know. There's a fast busy, which means the trunk is full. Do do do. And then there's a regular busy, which means there's no lines. So there's a line. Now let me try it again. This is great. I don't have to dial the number anymore. Not that I ever did. And hold that, that hit comes up. Leo Laport <laugh> oh my God. I'm calling myself. I know <laugh> do not use this. I'm QR coded and tail Laport, micro mic Sargent. And we do, we have a QR code now which I just tried and I called and it said my name on the, on the right Kim that they did. That means it's so you know that I'm calling so you can just ignore it. <Laugh> is that the point? I would never, you might wonder why is Leo calling himself? It's pretty

Mikah Sargent (02:02:39):
Funny. I got a question.

Leo Laporte (02:02:40):
Yeah. Got a question for, I got a question for that would be inception <laugh> it would weird. How would I answer my question? Oh, good. If I, well, depends on what the question is.

Mikah Sargent (02:02:49):
Yeah, yeah. Can you ask a question that even you wouldn't know?

Leo Laporte (02:02:53):
I'm sure he could. It's the resilient class paradox. Can

Mikah Sargent (02:02:56):
God? Yes. What does it make? A Boulder that even he couldn't care. What is the

Leo Laporte (02:03:01):
Thing? Well, as there's the liar one where a liar, you ask a liar, are you a liar? And he says, yes.

Mikah Sargent (02:03:07):
He says, no, I'm Amanda Lane.

Leo Laporte (02:03:09):
<Laugh> but I'm Richard. That was very good. Thank you, Richard and west LA, I just got it. Hello Richard, Leo and Micah, your tech guys. And punksters highly

Caller 6 (02:03:20):
Greeting some west Los Angeles with the temperatures. 80 degrees with a nice

Leo Laporte (02:03:23):
Breezes. Very pleasant

Mikah Sargent (02:03:24):
Rancho must be a meteorologist

Leo Laporte (02:03:26):
That's yes.

Caller 6 (02:03:28):
Okay. Question. I bought a Samsung 55 TV. It has QED on it. Ooh. It says when it first starts. Yes. What is QED? It's

Leo Laporte (02:03:39):
A quantum L E D. So it's still an LC D TV. And by the way, this is very confusing. And I think Samsung does this on purpose cuz Q led looks just like O led with a little tiny little thing on it, but it is not related to O led. It is an L C D TV using a special kind of backlight. It's an L E D backlight using quantum dots, which, you know, in theory gives you more accurate red, green, and blue light. So the way LCD TVs work, it's like the LCD is a little shutter that opens and closes very, very, very, very fast. And let's in the red, green or blue light or a mixture thereof. And as you know, if you mix red, green, and blue, you can make any color. So quantum dots are a better kind of backlight, I guess, really more important to that.

Leo Laporte (02:04:34):
And it's probably also on the box is something called fault. And Scott Wilkinson has taught me this F a LD stands for full array, local dimming. When you all LCDs have back lights. In fact, in the old days they had fluorescent tubes. In fact, you may remember on some, you know, like bad TVs or computer monitors, there'd be kind of a glow around the edge at the top and the bottom. That's actually the fluorescent tube light leaking around the screen. Nowadays they use LEDs, which are that, that was a big breakthrough. It used to be in the old days, LEDs could only be red when they discovered how to make white LEDs, huge breakthrough. And so they started using LEDs. They're much more. They last a lot longer than fluorescent tubes. They could be more color accurate. They use a lot less power. Then the next step was to start putting more than a few LEDs in there and full array. Local dimming usually means there's hundreds, sometimes thousands of LEDs with dimming zones. I think Apple's latest monitor. What did they say? It had like 10,000 yeah. Leds. and they had 2,500 zones. The reason you want that is then instead of lighting up a, a, a white area and then having it bleed over into the black area, you could make it much more local. So the white can be white. The black can be dark. So it's much more accurate. F a L D is what you want Q led or not.

Mikah Sargent (02:06:05):
Let's have just throw thrown out the TV time. I get a new

Leo Laporte (02:06:07):
One. It's out the window. <Laugh> is that over? Did I over answer that apparently? Oh, man. He fell over and then hung up. Oh no,

Mikah Sargent (02:06:17):
I hope Richard's okay.

Leo Laporte (02:06:18):
I hope you're okay, Richard. I hope that wasn't you. Wow. Maybe he fainted from the,

Mikah Sargent (02:06:24):
It was a lot of

Leo Laporte (02:06:24):
Taking over. That was a lot. I over answered that, but that is, that is the answer that

Mikah Sargent (02:06:31):
Is indeed. The answer can confirm.

Leo Laporte (02:06:33):
Yeah, you can, if you, if you're really curious look up quantum dots on the internet and there's a very nice article much. I could have been, let's put it this way. I could have been much worse.

Mikah Sargent (02:06:46):

Leo Laporte (02:06:46):
If you go to the Wikipedia quantum dots or semiconductor particles, a few nanometers in size, having optical electronic properties that differ from larger particles due to quantum mechanics, there are a central topic in nanotechnology and on and on and on, but really all it matters is it's a little bit better. L E D. Right. And it's not really, I guess the point I was trying to make so much how good the L E D is, is how many there are mm-hmm, <affirmative>, that's really more important more to the point. Sayad in Toronto. Canada is, is that, is that how you say your name? Say odd?

Caller 7 (02:07:22):

Leo Laporte (02:07:23):
I got it. Yeah. It was a good guess. Welcome. Yeah.

Caller 7 (02:07:27):
Oh, thank you. I'm just trying to spell to tour

Leo Laporte (02:07:32):
Framework on a framework. How do you, first of all, how do you like your framework?

Caller 7 (02:07:35):
Pretty good. I'm a big fan of legal. So I just, first thing I tried is him.

Leo Laporte (02:07:40):
Oh, thank you. Yeah. I'm, I'm a happy framework customer. So tour. Yeah. How, how deep do you want to go into this ramp? Yeah, don't make anyone else faint, please. <Laugh> good. Short for the onion router and it's a, it's allows more anonymous, not fully anonymous. You should be aware of that. Sad. Yeah. More anonymous

Caller 7 (02:08:02):
Communication. I'm more for privacy. So yeah. Yeah. I'm using tour on it.

Leo Laporte (02:08:05):
Easiest way to use tour is just to download the tour browser, cuz then it's built in

Caller 7 (02:08:12):
But I have it on a USB stick and that's the thing I'm trying to get into load the browser from that.

Leo Laporte (02:08:17):
Ah, so you, so you have to have a portable version of the tour browser. Are you running? What, what operating system are you running?

Caller 7 (02:08:25):
I'm running a Bluetooth.

Leo Laporte (02:08:26):
Okay. So the key is, and I would imagine I'll, I'm looking right now. I'm not sure if, if this is the case to get a a portable version. So, you know, when you install software, sometimes you install it on the internal hard drive. It puts parts of itself all over the place and it knows where those are and it can run. But if you want it to be portable, if you want it on USB stick, it has to put everything that it needs to run on that USB stick. Right? It doesn't

Caller 7 (02:08:55):
Install. It's on the persistent file. So every time I plug it out, it goes back to the normal computer, whatever it's running on and then back and forth, back and forth. So I saved it on the persistent file.

Leo Laporte (02:09:07):
Yeah. that way I understand why you're doing this now. So you have a USB key when you're using a computer and you wanna have a private browsing session, the best way to do this is exactly what you're talking about. Have a portable version of a tour browser on a USB key and have it save everything about your visit to the USB key. So nothing of your, nothing of your browsing session is saved on the hard drive. That's great. If you're at a library or using a friends, computer, it's totally private. And then when you unplug the USB key, you take everything with you. I am not enough of a tour expert to know. Let me see if I can look up portable tour browser, cuz that's what you portable is the term that you need. It means.

Caller 7 (02:09:55):
Yeah, because it, it runs fine. Like it, it doesn't like compatible with the browser that's on Ubuntu it just since I load it, the tour comes in and it makes you go through like a whole operation system.

Leo Laporte (02:10:08):
Yeah. Yeah. You don't, you only wanna do that once. So thank you. Scooter X in our chat room has given us an article from the tour project make tour portable. And it explains what you need to do. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> to put it on a USB stick or an SD card and run it from there 100% and then you're a hundred percent private. This is a, I think this is a great thing to have a highly recommended. Great for banking. Great. Anytime you just don't want anybody to know it's you we'll put a link in the show notes, tech guy

Leo Laporte (02:10:43):
So it's in the tour browser manual Syed and it, if you just Google make tour browser portable, those four words, you'll probably get right to it. And there is, you know, there are a few things you need to do. You plug in the media format, it navigate to the download page. You download the tar file ver when the download's complete extract the archive under the media, actually it's very simple for Linux. It should just work off the media. It is portable I guess. Yeah. But the key is to extract it directly onto the media. So all the files are there and then make sure that it's writeable, which may be part of the problem that has to, everything has to be writeable. Oh, okay.

Caller 7 (02:11:21):

Leo Laporte (02:11:21):
Hey, it's nice to talk to you. I'm glad you're a Leo fan. And so your framework, you're happy with it.

Caller 7 (02:11:27):
Oh yeah. I'm a big Leo fan from eighties when you used to do CBT. So from G four tattoo.

Leo Laporte (02:11:35):
Oh yeah. With met with Amber MacArthur and Andy Walker. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. I made a lot of friends. I loved going to Toronto. I did that every month for a couple of years. I loved it. It was so much fun. Used to stay down there on queen street. The Drake hotel. I loved it. Yeah. So much fun.

Caller 7 (02:11:52):
I'm a, I'm a big fan of Michael too. Yay Sargent.

Leo Laporte (02:11:56):
Oh, that's right. Mr. Sargent has a fan in Toronto. Have you ever been to Canada? I've not been to Canada. Oh man. I love it's on my list.

Caller 7 (02:12:02):
I'm a big fan. Like I'm like an apple apple fan too. So I'm

Leo Laporte (02:12:06):
A yeah. I mean I have to be honest what Apple's doing with its processors beats, anything in tell Scott, so yeah, if you really want battery life, I mean, there's just no question.

Caller 7 (02:12:17):
Apple's the way to

Leo Laporte (02:12:17):
Go. Yeah. Apple's the way to go. Yeah. Do you do any coding say odd? What do you do? What do you do with your computer?

Caller 7 (02:12:25):
I, I just download play games on it. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:12:28):
You're honest. So

Caller 7 (02:12:30):
Yeah, I, I, I push the F to the Mac so good. You get good friend. You got good. Fpss out of it.

Leo Laporte (02:12:40):
Yeah. Can you good? Oh yeah. Yeah. Cause it does

Caller 7 (02:12:43):
Good. I got a G I got a G4 fan hooked up to it, so.

Leo Laporte (02:12:47):
Oh, nice. Keep it cool. So,

Caller 7 (02:12:50):
Oh yeah. What kind? And I, I do a lot of cryp on it too, so.

Leo Laporte (02:12:54):
Oh, nice. What kind of battery life are you getting? On your framework?

Caller 7 (02:13:01):
I get out of it. I get like a good 48 hours because I use it for 

Leo Laporte (02:13:05):
Oh, that's sleeping. Yeah. That's one of the problems it's had and I think they've, they've gotten better at fixing that. So it doesn't drain

Caller 7 (02:13:13):
First. I, it, I use it for I use it for mining too, so,

Leo Laporte (02:13:17):

Caller 7 (02:13:18):
And gaming. So, ah,

Leo Laporte (02:13:19):
What are you mining? E

Caller 7 (02:13:24):
I, I in Bitcoins too. So BTC. Okay. I'm trying to get out of it now, but I used to like do Bitcoins with it too. So

Leo Laporte (02:13:31):
Nice. Hey, say I gotta go, but it's great to talk to you.

Caller 7 (02:13:35):
Yeah, me too.

Leo Laporte (02:13:36):
Keep listening. It's a real pleasure. Oh yeah. See you later guy.

Caller 7 (02:13:40):
See you later. I'm a good fan.

Leo Laporte (02:13:42):
Thank you. You are obviously it's great. Thanks. See ya always nice to hear from my friends in Canada loved Toronto. The Vancouver is beautiful too. Someday.

Mikah Sargent (02:13:57):
Someday somebody is

Leo Laporte (02:13:58):
Someday. My goal is to take the trans Canada railway.

Mikah Sargent (02:14:01):
That would be really cool.

Leo Laporte (02:14:02):
It's luxury, man. Then Lisa says I don't wanna live, be on a train all that time. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (02:14:08):
Oh. But you can move around around

Leo Laporte (02:14:09):
And stuff please. Pete. I only married her cuz she liked to travel. <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (02:14:16):
That's the only reason.

Leo Laporte (02:14:17):
The only reason. Oh, look everybody dial in.

Mikah Sargent (02:14:24):
I wonder if it can still do it with the, with the Alta. Oh, I'll try it. Does

Leo Laporte (02:14:27):
It not work with that? There's with

Mikah Sargent (02:14:29):
The always error prevention built into QR codes. Yeah. Oh yeah. It still works.

Leo Laporte (02:14:34):
Still works,

Mikah Sargent (02:14:35):
Man. Oh, John generated a new one.

Leo Laporte (02:14:37):
Mine does not work.

Mikah Sargent (02:14:39):
Mine was working from here and I know it's a new one because it has the one in front.

Leo Laporte (02:14:44):

Mikah Sargent (02:14:44):
Mine did not have the one in

Leo Laporte (02:14:45):
Front. Oh Donald, do you need the one? Like maybe you do.

Mikah Sargent (02:14:49):
I guess if you're international,

Leo Laporte (02:14:50):
If you're not a cell phone, you would need it to not on cell phones.

Mikah Sargent (02:14:57):
Yeah. Cause

Leo Laporte (02:14:58):
They, you need the area code. They've got 9 88.

Mikah Sargent (02:15:00):
Now that thing built Chan yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:15:02):
9 88. Good to know hop the world world is to the hippity hop. Leo Laport Myung. The tech guy. Was that was that what was that? It was Sugarhill gang. Ah, it was Sugarhill gang. Yeah. the hop hop hippie hop Jack on the line from San tuck. Clorita California. Hello Jack?

Caller 8 (02:15:32):
Yes. Hello Leo. Welcome a long time listener. Long time listener. First time I've had a need to call you. I'm stumped.

Leo Laporte (02:15:41):
<Laugh> oh, well I'm glad you did.

Caller 8 (02:15:44):
I have a galaxy a 51. It's been working fine. The only problem I have is I can't seem to access the internet ex unless I'm on wifi.

Leo Laporte (02:15:59):
Hmm. So your, your cell service data is not working. Wifi's fine.

Caller 8 (02:16:06):
Wi WiFi's fine. Cell service data. It it's logging data used by the operating system. And I think it has some used by messages, but anything, anytime I try to use internet access, it says E ever internet disconnected. Huh?

Leo Laporte (02:16:29):
Did you get it from the cell carrier or did you buy your own and then get a SIM card? This

Caller 8 (02:16:34):
Is actu this is actually a Tracphone.

Leo Laporte (02:16:38):
Okay. So, and you're using track phones, you know, make sure you bought data.

Caller 8 (02:16:44):
I, I did. Okay. In fact, early on, I discovered I must have left an apple open or something and it drained my data account.

Leo Laporte (02:16:52):
Yeah. Cause it's, it's limited. Yeah.

Caller 8 (02:16:54):
It does have a couple gigabytes data available. It says

Leo Laporte (02:16:59):
Okay, good. So you bought it and it's not. So there is an thank you, scooter X in our chat room. I always thanking him. Apparently a a known problem. You said it was an a 51,

Caller 8 (02:17:13):
A 51.

Leo Laporte (02:17:14):
Yeah. mobile data not working. We'll put this link to the show notes there, cuz there are quite a few, it looks like quite a few settings that you have to look at. Have you gone into the in your settings app, have you gone into the mobile networks settings?

Caller 8 (02:17:37):
I went into the mobile networks. Yeah. I believe it says track phone. Yeah. And there's a, then there's a tab up there. It says ad.

Leo Laporte (02:17:45):

Caller 8 (02:17:46):
I a local looked at this and it says, oh, it won't let me add anything.

Leo Laporte (02:17:53):
Ah, so yeah, that's a trick that might be a track phone

Caller 8 (02:17:58):
That I think that's a track phone,

Leo Laporte (02:17:59):
Track phone issue. Sounds like, let me see. Now here's another thread. This is from the Samsung forums. Make sure you have the right APN settings. That was the first thing I was gonna say. But usually if you get it from the vendor, you know, the, the mobile company they'll make sure the APN settings are correct. That's the access point.

Caller 8 (02:18:22):
They, they were correct at least at the beginning. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:18:25):
And it

Caller 8 (02:18:25):
Was working

Leo Laporte (02:18:26):
Have you tried turning on roaming? And then one thing that I'm seeing is make is on network mode to try GSM only

Leo Laporte (02:18:40):
There are, as you probably know, there are a variety of different data protocols. There's very commonly CDMA and GSM and CDMA is long gone. GSM is mostly gone. It's LTE now, but on the a 51, cuz it's an older phone. They oddly they have settings for w C DMA and GSM. You definitely wanna make sure that it's GSM only. Okay. There, there are like 20 fixes in this article, so mm-hmm, <affirmative>, we'll post cause there are other things to go through. And have you called track phone? Do they have support at all? <Laugh>

Caller 8 (02:19:23):
<Laugh> yeah. That's the problem. They have a lot, lot of, they have a lot of automated. 

Leo Laporte (02:19:29):
Yeah. They don't want to talk to you. Yeah.

Caller 8 (02:19:30):
They don't, they don't want to

Leo Laporte (02:19:31):
Talk to me. Yeah. They're low cost.

Caller 8 (02:19:33):
They lead me in, in a lot of circles and they say, I'm sorry, we cannot find anything wrong.

Leo Laporte (02:19:38):
Oh please.

Caller 8 (02:19:40):
And just one time I got it to say, oh gee, we can't locate your problem. Is it okay if we call you on another line? And I gave them another number and of course never heard anything.

Leo Laporte (02:19:55):
Yeah. I, you know, could be so many different things at this point. You've turned the phone off and on again. Believe it or not. Yeah. That's one thing several,

Caller 8 (02:20:06):
Several times.

Leo Laporte (02:20:07):
Yeah. Good. <Laugh> that's the standard it answer. Have you tried turning it off and on again? <Laugh> it could, you know, I mean literally it could be just something wrong with the phone. Did it ever work?

Caller 8 (02:20:20):
Oh yes. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:20:21):
Oh, it just stopped working at some point

Caller 8 (02:20:24):
I listened to my grand nephew's baseball game from UCLA. Oh nice. On the way home one <laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:20:30):
I hope they won. That's

Caller 8 (02:20:32):
Good. They did very well. Nice. and 

Leo Laporte (02:20:35):
So that's interesting. So

Caller 8 (02:20:37):
I would usually use it that much. I use when I'm on the road to check traffic. So

Leo Laporte (02:20:41):
It worked and then at some point,

Caller 8 (02:20:43):
At some point

Leo Laporte (02:20:44):
It just stopped working and it wasn't a, at a time when you had just gotten an update or, or something like that. I mean, honestly, phones break. It could be anything. Remember there's a, there's a separate antenna for data and it could be that, that antenna's connection to the phone broke. And it's just like, I can't get online

Caller 8 (02:21:01):
Except that I, if I look at mobile data, it does say that it's using it.

Leo Laporte (02:21:06):
Yeah. That's interesting. That's interesting. So then this sounds like it is more of a setting issue than anything else. In fact, if you look at your bill, do you see that in fact mobile data is being used on that?

Caller 8 (02:21:22):
Well if I, oh,

Leo Laporte (02:21:24):
Look at this, here we go.

Caller 8 (02:21:26):

Leo Laporte (02:21:27):
I'm passing. This is from may of this year. I'm passing this along case. Other people have the same problem. Samsung pushed out the upgrade to Android 12 today on my a 51 phone. So I went and installed it afterwards. I discovered my phone had no data turning. Oh, good Lord. Well, we'll put this in the show notes, but I'll tell you what it says by turning on developer options. Oh no. And then turning mobile data, always active. He was able to get it working. Once the data is working again, you don't need to let that leave. That setting turned on. So it sounds like maybe in the Android update, which, and this right around the timeframe, this happened to you, it sounds like it, it turned off that battery, that radio and forgot to turn it back on again. So that's interesting.

Leo Laporte (02:22:16):
This seems to be a particular issue. We'll pull Do you have it right? Mic the track form phone forum. It does look like this is a weird thing to turn on. Developer options in Android is very weird. You have to tap yeah. A particular part of this settings menu nine times, and then it will turn it on. It's like a, it's like a secret code, secret handshake with your partner, secret handshake. <Laugh> Howard forums also has a post, which I'm looking at. That's more that's about the APN issue. But the, yeah, you have the proper APM and that wouldn't have changed in all likelihood. So I think that this Howard forums post is not gonna be we'll put, we'll put links in the show notes, cuz it's gonna take you trying a few different things, but it does sound like there is a bug that happened when the, when an update was pushed out a couple of months ago. When did this happen to you Jack?

Caller 8 (02:23:19):
I, you know, I

Leo Laporte (02:23:20):
Don't rough. Yeah. Cuz you don't use it all the time. A couple of months. Yeah. So this I'm I'm gonna go with this this article from track phone, the track phone forums, cuz it sounds like this really is the issue. I'll check that out. Track phone's response is I'm track phone, Maria. We're sorry to hear. You're having a problem. <Laugh> who would like to further investigate and nothing after that I've texted. You've talked to her track phone. Maria. Yeah. Track phone. Maria is never helpful. I don't know. I got ING can get somebody else in there anyway. Try this looks like this might do it. It is a complicated thing. Turn on developer options. Turn on this weird.

Caller 8 (02:24:01):
You get what you pay for right?

Leo Laporte (02:24:03):
You get what you pay for. Hey, if we can get it working, you're getting a good deal.

Caller 8 (02:24:06):
Oh it's a great

Leo Laporte (02:24:07):
Deal. Thank you Jack. All right. Thank Leo. Laport. The tech guy mic Sargent Dick Bartolo coming up.

Leo Laporte (02:24:26):
Hmm? Hello Dicky day. Leo. How you doing pal? I am well, my friend. How are you? You sound good. I'm good too. Thank you. I'm feeling fine. Hey, that best thing about getting sick is feeling better afterwards. Hey, do you, did you ever have one of these phone cases where you, you put the oh yes. Remember those? Oh my gosh. <Laugh> those were the, the days they're so tricky. Yeah. Yeah. It was very clever. It was like a Rolodex. Well they still sell 'em on Amazon and then, and no, but I noticed. Yeah, but I notice on my cell phone is when I, when I hit S with my finger, usually R comes up. Oh yeah. It's impossible. Yeah. Yeah. It's you have to have pointy fingers. <Laugh> yeah. Yeah. So, so I'm gonna buy one of these well quick and I don't wait. There's only 19 left in stock. Oh my

Dick DeBartolo (02:25:22):
God. God. Yeah. I'm gonna have to Scott shape it to the back of my phone. <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (02:25:27):
Oh, that one that's wireless. Now. It you not,

Leo Laporte (02:25:30):
You got, you got a phone without a wire.

Mikah Sargent (02:25:32):
Yeah. I remember last

Leo Laporte (02:25:33):
Night. Oh, like a real phone? Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (02:25:34):
That Verizon landing. Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:25:36):
Yeah. I remember that. Oh yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:25:37):
Picture, picture. It's working out. Good.

Leo Laporte (02:25:38):
That's working out.

Mikah Sargent (02:25:39):
What are we doing? And Dick shot. There's a picture and picture. See in the top, right? Oh

Leo Laporte (02:25:43):
Yeah. Look.

Dick DeBartolo (02:25:45):

Mikah Sargent (02:25:45):
It goes Aw. Da do wipe it off. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:25:50):
You can't get rid of it.

Dick DeBartolo (02:25:53):
Oh, that's so funny.

Leo Laporte (02:25:54):
It's it says zoom one. TWI. Ricardo,

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:02):
That sir.

Leo Laporte (02:26:03):
How do, how do you stay alive? You're gonna live to 180. I could tell you just got so much Verve. How do you keep so

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:14):
Energy? Because I went disco dancing last night.

Leo Laporte (02:26:17):
Did so that's your trick is you stay young. You dance. Yeah. I know you work out. You're you're very fit,

Mikah Sargent (02:26:23):
But he hardly sleeps.

Leo Laporte (02:26:25):
You hardly sleep, but I don't sleep either. He

Mikah Sargent (02:26:27):
Sleep at like 3:00 AM. Was it?

Leo Laporte (02:26:29):

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:29):
He, so I go to bed at two 30. Woo. But I don't get up till 10.

Mikah Sargent (02:26:32):
Oh, okay. Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:26:33):
So he gets his, he gets his beauty rest.

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:35):
That's good. Seven and a half hour. If that's plenty. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:26:38):
Oh, here's his song. You should play. Laura, next time. Oh, can name's blocked on, I can't play this. I mean you YouTube won't let me play it in discord. That's hysterical. Oh, well nevermind. It's called.

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:57):
Yeah. I sent John A. Little 17, second disco video for gizz fizz. You know the silent disco. It's great. They do it at Lincoln

Leo Laporte (02:27:05):
Street. Oh, I love the silent disco. Yeah. Then we don't have to hear it.

Dick DeBartolo (02:27:09):
Exactly. And people go by and stare like

Leo Laporte (02:27:13):
Why? Why are they dancing? So seriously, you have a, you still, you have so much energy. And I just wanna make sure that I just gotta do whatever it is you do. Do you drink green juice?

Dick DeBartolo (02:27:25):
No. I drink a lot of coffee. No, not a lot of coffee. I drink two big cups of coffee a day.

Leo Laporte (02:27:30):
That's normal. That's not large.

Dick DeBartolo (02:27:33):
Okay. Play, play with my trains in the backyard. I walk a lot.

Leo Laporte (02:27:36):
It's just good jeans maybe. Yeah. I think you walk a lot.

Mikah Sargent (02:27:40):
I think I was gonna make the same joke if you didn't <laugh> so I was gonna say Levi's

Leo Laporte (02:27:55):
This is disco, baby. Leo LaPorte, mic Sargent your tech guys on the radio. Joining us right now. Disco, Dick D Bartolo, Mads maddest writer and the GI Wiz dancing in, in his beautiful satin shirt with his, I like those high heeled white boots. You're wearing. Those are

Dick DeBartolo (02:28:16):
Yeah. They have fans in them.

Leo Laporte (02:28:17):
Nice. Why? It's

Mikah Sargent (02:28:19):
Cool. You down while you're on the

Dick DeBartolo (02:28:21):
Keep my heels cool. When I'm oh, just go dancing.

Leo Laporte (02:28:23):
You don't want hot heels.

Dick DeBartolo (02:28:25):
<Laugh> you don't want hot heels.

Leo Laporte (02:28:26):
Hell Dick. Is this how you got to be a gizmo wizard? Is things like that?

Dick DeBartolo (02:28:32):
Yeah. I, I, there was a place called Hemker Slimer. I mean, it's still around

Leo Laporte (02:28:36):
Love Hemker slimmer.

Dick DeBartolo (02:28:37):
Yeah. And I just was

Leo Laporte (02:28:39):
It's like a poor man. Sharper image.

Dick DeBartolo (02:28:41):
Yes, yes. Yeah. And, and that's how I got started. I, my office was full of that stuff and one of the produ I was working for Goodson Toddman and one of the producers from, to tell the truth left to go over to a magazine show and she called up and she said, you know, you have all those gadgets in your office. Would you ever consider showing them on television?

Leo Laporte (02:29:03):
Oh, perfect.

Dick DeBartolo (02:29:04):
Go. Alright.

Leo Laporte (02:29:07):
<Laugh> and what show was that?

Dick DeBartolo (02:29:09):
It was called Saturday morning live and it was an hour show and they had the pet person and the Handman. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:29:17):
Yeah. And I know you were on live with a Regis and Kathy Lee for

Dick DeBartolo (02:29:20):
Years. Yeah. They, they, they watched that show and then they said, if you're not under contract to Metro media,

Leo Laporte (02:29:25):
Come over. So, and, and then of course you still do ABC's world news now. And you show up on this, you know, small, little known radio show every once in a while too. No,

Dick DeBartolo (02:29:35):
This is good. No, I love, you know, there's nothing more different than network and TWI <laugh> because at a network, he'd go, I wanna show this and they go, well, I don't know.

Leo Laporte (02:29:49):
Oh no, no, we don't care. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:29:51):
At, at TWI

Leo Laporte (02:29:52):
We have no standards. Is that what

Dick DeBartolo (02:29:53):
You're saying? This is no, no, this is my funniest memory of twit is when TWI, by

Leo Laporte (02:29:57):
The way, I should explain for people listening to the radio show is the podcast network I run, which is, this is also on the podcast network. So, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And Dick has a show on the podcast network and so forth.

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:07):
So I was out in San Diego. I had one to think pot award and I came up and I remember opened the brick house early. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Lisa was saying my wife, I forgot who was producing it. Jason, how old to what what's

Leo Laporte (02:30:25):
The second? No, no, no, no, no. It was the Jason plant. This yeah, yeah,

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:29):
Yeah. Jason, how right.

Leo Laporte (02:30:30):
Yeah. But before that, well, there was another Jason, but anyway. Oh,

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:34):
Okay. Okay. she said, where, where are you gonna do Dick's show? And he said, we haven't picked it out yet. And she said, you have two hours.

Leo Laporte (02:30:42):
<Laugh> all the time in the world.

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:43):
If that was a network two years, wouldn't be, oh

Leo Laporte (02:30:46):

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:46):
Oh no. Anyway.

Leo Laporte (02:30:47):
But partly the reason I started the podcast network was in response to having worked in network television for so long. Yeah. I just, I just didn't like the constraints. So we free you. And as a result, you bring us a crappy gadget every week, which

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:01):
Is, well, no, this is spike. My, the name. Yeah. No, you know the name capo,

Leo Laporte (02:31:07):
Capo. I

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:08):
Know. Yes. Capo. Okay. Okay. Now I assume Mike is not a big coffee drinker is that,

Leo Laporte (02:31:13):
Oh, you would assume wrong. My friend assume incorrectly. He loves his coffee. He is a coffee. He's actually a snob. He's the guy who brought the scale in yeah. To weigh the shot of coffee before he makes it. So it has exactly the right number of gram. How many grams?

Mikah Sargent (02:31:30):
It's 18

Leo Laporte (02:31:31):
Grams. 18 grams of perfectly gram coffee. So he is absolutely a coffee drink.

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:38):
Wow. Well then this will

Leo Laporte (02:31:40):
This will not the vintage tool. Yes <laugh>

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:44):
But it's great fun. It was the new product show from a couple weeks ago. And compressor was showing the H two O glass select electric water kettle. Oh, with L E D light.

Leo Laporte (02:31:57):
Oh, anything with LEDs? Dick likes that. Yes.

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:00):
Oh my gosh. So,

Leo Laporte (02:32:02):
And it has direct poor. I think every kettle should have direct poor.

Mikah Sargent (02:32:06):
What does that even mean? <Laugh>

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:09):
It's great. So the lid, you go over to the faucet and you start to faucet. Yeah. And the weight of the water just opens the

Leo Laporte (02:32:15):
Lid. Oh my God. You don't have to open the lid.

Mikah Sargent (02:32:17):
Listen to this new Yorker, talking about getting water directly from the faucet. We have to filter

Leo Laporte (02:32:22):
That stuff. Oh, we don't drink water from the faucet.

Mikah Sargent (02:32:25):
We would have mercy.

Leo Laporte (02:32:26):

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:26):
So, and when you, when you pull it back, it automatically closes. And then you,

Leo Laporte (02:32:32):
Oh, so the idea is you don't have to have a special lift up thing to open it up, to put water in and closes it so you can pour it. It just knows.

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:40):
It knows. And it's a great capacity. It's a half gallon. How

Leo Laporte (02:32:43):
Does it use the, oh, that's good. Half gallon. Yeah. How does it use the lights though? What do they do

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:48):
At the, at the top? When you put water in, you can either hit, just boil. Or if you're doing different teas, you can hit one 60.

Leo Laporte (02:32:56):
What, what temperature do you need for your coffee?

Mikah Sargent (02:32:58):
Well, for coffee 200. It also depends. You typically want boiling, but for tea, you can go all the way down to 1 65 at the low end.

Leo Laporte (02:33:06):
Yes. Yeah. So you need this. How many need this? How many buttons does it have?

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:11):
There are five buttons. Okay. And one of them is for people who bake, because I didn't know this evidently yeast needs 110 degree water. Yes.

Leo Laporte (02:33:22):
Okay. So it can do that.

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:25):
It can do that. Oh, you can incredible hit where you can hit. Remember? Yes. And it'll keep it at that temperature for 30 minutes.

Leo Laporte (02:33:33):
Oh, I might have to get this

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:36):
Leo it's 50 bucks. I remember. What did, what were you,

Leo Laporte (02:33:40):
What was we had gravel ke Kele. We used

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:42):
Bra. Wasn't it

Leo Laporte (02:33:43):
Like hundred, 10, 250. No, they're very expensive. We have one at the studio. Micah uses it for he's 18 grams of coffee every day. 

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:52):
This is 49 99.

Leo Laporte (02:33:53):
This is nice.

Mikah Sargent (02:33:55):
I use a gooseneck. Kett

Leo Laporte (02:33:56):
At home. Oh, wait a minute. You do pour overs. Yeah. He's a pour over guy. Yeah. Can you, can you attach a gooseneck to this? <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (02:34:05):
Really cool though. With the, LED's kind of giving you an indicator of it's pretty temperature. It's

Leo Laporte (02:34:08):

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:10):
And it has auto shut off and boil dry protection and

Leo Laporte (02:34:14):
Compressor makes a lot of coffee machines. Right? That's that's their, they

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:17):
Do. Yeah. They, they

Leo Laporte (02:34:18):
Do. And some of them are very high end. This is nice. Yeah. This is nice. I would get this.

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:25):
Okay. Heats very fast. 1500 Watts.

Mikah Sargent (02:34:28):
Oh, nice.

Leo Laporte (02:34:29):
Yeah. So how do you find out more? Well, you go to Dick's website, G Iz, w Iz dot B Iz, And you click the button that says the GWiz is the tech guy and, and there's a whole, Dick has a whole video of this links. Are they selling it now?

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:47):
Yes, it's

Leo Laporte (02:34:48):
Available now. It's huge is huge. Now that I see it in your hands, it's a big guy. Yeah. That'll boil enough water for an army. <Laugh> or Micah on a, yeah, this is good. And you have it at home now, so they are selling it.

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:00):
I do. Yeah, I do.

Leo Laporte (02:35:01):
Very nice. Is it in the Hamer Schlemmer catalog?

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:05):
It's on Amazon. It might be in Hemker Schlemer

Leo Laporte (02:35:07):
I don't know. It doesn't matter. I'll go to your site and click the link. That's the best way to do it. Then Dick gets a little little fee or two from the affiliate thing. 49 bucks, Now, when you're at, do not end your visit with, with the simple purchase. No, no, no. Play the what the heck is it game a chance to win an autograph copy of mad magazine. This one's good through the end of the month. So you got two more weeks to figure out what that thing is

Mikah Sargent (02:35:36):
For holding your loose leaf tea before you dip it into that

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:40):
Kettle. Excellent answer. Excellent answer.

Leo Laporte (02:35:43):
We solved it. You'll be playing for this edition of mad magazine. He's here, the para abnormal issue and there are six autographed copies of mad magazine for the right answer up to six, 18 autograph copies for the wrong or 12 for the wrong answer. But judges' decisions will be final and there's rules and stuff at the website, kids Wiz dot BIS. Also lots of other great stuff, mad memorabilia match, game memorabilia, books, and hats and things. You can buy Dick, always a pleasure,

Dick DeBartolo (02:36:16):
The same pal.

Leo Laporte (02:36:17):
Take your fan loaded disco boots and

Dick DeBartolo (02:36:21):

Leo Laporte (02:36:21):
Dance on outta here because the show's over.

Dick DeBartolo (02:36:25):
Okay. Very

Leo Laporte (02:36:26):
Good. Thank you. Dickie D thank you, Mike. A Sargent. You're welcome. It's much easier to do this show with you here.

Mikah Sargent (02:36:31):
It just, it just rides along like Dickie D it's. So on his roller skates.

Leo Laporte (02:36:35):
Yes. So much fun. <Laugh> we will put the show notes and by we, I mean you, yeah. That's where all the links will be the transcript of the show, video and audio after the fact tech guy episode 1917 where, oh, mic Sargent does a bunch of other shows by the way a wonderful show about iOS iOS today. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>

Mikah Sargent (02:36:57):
As well as hands on

Leo Laporte (02:36:59):
Map, hands on Mac for the Macado.

Mikah Sargent (02:37:01):
Yeah. Tech news weekly,

Leo Laporte (02:37:02):
All of that at That's the podcast site. Thank you all for joining us. I'm Leo Laport your tech. I also do a few shows over there at the twit but I will be back here next time. I hope you will too. Have a great geek week.

Leo Laporte (02:37:17):
Well, that's it for the Tech Guy show for today. Thank you so much for being here and don't forget twit T W I T it stands for this week in tech and you'll find it at, including the podcasts for this show. We talk about windows and windows weekly, Macintosh on Mac break, weekly iPads, iPhones, apple watches on iOS today's security and security. Now, I mean, I can go on and on and on. And of course the big show every Sunday afternoon, this week in tech, you'll find it all at twit TV and I'll be back next week with another great tech guy show. Thanks for joining me. We'll see you next time.

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