The Tech Guy Episode 1914

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Leo Laporte (00:00:02):
Podcasts. You love from people you trust. This is TWIT. Hi, this is Leo Laport and this is my tech guy podcast. This show originally aired on the premier networks on the Sunday, July 31st, 2022 episode 1914. Enjoy. The Tech Guy podcast is brought to you by Noom. With their psychology first approach Noom Weight empowers you to build more sustainable habits and behaviors. I love it. Sign up for your trial at And by ClickUp. The productivity platform, that'll save you one day a week on work guaranteed. Use the code tech guy to get 15% off. Click ups, massive unlimited plan for a year. Meaning you can start reclaiming your time for under $5 a month. Sign up today at But hurry, this offer ends soon. Well, Hey, Hey, how are you today? Leo? Leport the tech guy, time to talk computers, the internet, home theater, digital photography, smartphone, smart watches, augmented reality, the technological world around us, which is really frankly becoming, you know, subtly slowly without, in some ways, us noticing more and more weird.

Leo Laporte (00:01:28):
<Laugh> 88 <laugh>. I mean, honestly, if somebody from the fifties came to the modern times, a lot of things would look the same. Our cars might look more futuristic, but they're essentially the same. And then they'd see the smartphone and the internet and computers and they'd go, whoa. And our giant TVs and they'd go, whoa, whoa. 88 88. Ask Leo. That's the number? It's okay. It's okay. I'm your tour guide to the 21st century 8 8 8 8 2 7 5 5 3 6 tollfree from anywhere in the us or Canada outside that area. You could still call, but you have to use Skype out. Whoa, you can call. You can call essentially for free any phone in the world.

Leo Laporte (00:02:19):
Whoa is right. I mean, that was, that was used to be like a big deal. You'd call a friend in Europe. You'd go. There's call em, cost me $8 a minute. <Laugh> let's get this. Let's get this over with now. It's like, eh, video audio. Remember for a while everybody thought in the sixties, I remember going to the 1964 New York. World's fair. Where at and T showed off a video phone and we thought, oh yeah, the, you know, by 1990 everybody, all the phone calls, <laugh> be all. Be video phone calls in 2001 is space Odyssey. You remember that movie came out in the seventies, right? In 2001, a space Odyssey. Our hero, Dr. Floyd makes a phone call from the moon. The BA there's a moon base makes a phone call from the moon base. Actually it's the late sixties, 1968. So it was four years after 18.

Leo Laporte (00:03:18):
She showed that video phone. Dr. Floyd makes a phone call. He gets in a booth. He still a phone booth in the, in the future. Apparently in the moon, he goes in a booth and there's a big screen. And I, I suppose for 1968, that was a huge screen. It looks like, you know, sideways computer monitor was, but it's like about the size of the screen and the Tesla. And <laugh> yeah. If you had said, you're gonna have a screen like that in your car, you don't need to go to a booth. People would go, no, come on, man. That's nuts. Who wants to watch TV in their car? Well, that's a whole nother story. He goes in there. He makes a phone call to his wife and daughter on earth to wish his daughter happy birthday, happy birthday, dear. And they, you know, they sang and all that and, oh, that's the future.

Leo Laporte (00:04:05):
And then a funny thing happened. It didn't happen for a long time. In fact, I remember saying on this show, I've been doing this show for 18 years. So, you know, back back 18 back when you were, you know, when you were not even born yet, some of you I remember saying nobody wants to make it turns out. Nobody wants to make a video phone call. We have Skype, we have ways to do it now. No one wants to do it. And I, my theory was, nobody wants to do it because you don't, you know, you, you don't wanna put on nice shirt and you makeup brush your hair. You don't wanna do all that to make a phone call. You just wanna, you know, make, be a slob and make a phone call. Then something happened. And I think I think the big change, the big transition for everybody, it all started, you know, maybe five or six years ago, Apple's FaceTime and so forth.

Leo Laporte (00:04:55):
But then COVID, and we were all working at home and suddenly we're getting, you know, every call is a video call. We're zooming, we're zooming all the time. We're zooming, whom whom, zooming, whom back and forth. And suddenly we're used to it. And yeah. Yeah. Maybe you put your face on and brush your hair a little bit, make your bed before you do the phone call. Sometimes you don't just get used to it. And now it's kind of de regur. In fact, I don't know. You tell me, does this feel a little weird when you make a phone call and it's just a voice <laugh> ah, hello. I'm calling from Paris. It's like a little, it's a little old fashioned. So that's what we talk about on this show. How times is changing all around us, without us even knowing 88, 88, ask Leo until you sit back and go dial a phone.

Leo Laporte (00:05:48):
When's the last time you dialed a phone, right? <Laugh> but yet, and this is always cracks me up on the, on all of our smartphone, which look like wedges of glass. They don't look like phone phones. The icon for dialing a phone is what, it's a handset. When's the last time you saw a handset, you know that thing, you put up to your ear and there's a, there's an earpiece and there's a, a microphone and they're separated by a big P what did you know? Kids must think. I don't know about mom and dad. They St <laugh>. They seem to be worshiping ancient artifacts. <Laugh> it's a it's iOS and Android. It's a handset. I'm gonna dial a phone call on my handset. There was an article, actually an interesting article in the New York times this week about bringing back the landline. Yeah. Like that's gonna happen.

Leo Laporte (00:06:49):
Oh, but she didn't really bring back the landline. She <laugh>, she spent a considerable amount of money buying one of those old plastic phones. You know, the ones used to have the Western electric. They weren't even, plastic was like hard resin. I don't know what they, they didn't even, I don't think they'd invented plastic yet. <Laugh> they're so ancient. Remember those? Maybe you don't. They had handsets. She got one of those. I probably bought it on eBay or something. This is an article in the New York times in the New York times. She bought one of these and then got some sort of it's called how to relive the pleasures of the landline.

Leo Laporte (00:07:34):
How crazy is that? I'm sorry. It wasn't the New York times. It was the new Yorker. Oh, well ho it was the new Yorker with the help of an old rotary phone and a Bluetooth hookup to Dadd there's this there's the giveaway. You too could feel like rock Hudson gabbing in the bathtub says Rachel Simon, she bought. So she bought, you know, on eBay a phone for 20 bucks. She said you could find far price or vintage phones in that site. Retro phones on Instagram, friendly colors, avocado green, Barbie pink. You know, what do you ever, did you, do you remember nobody I'm I'm showing my age here. Do you remember the princess phone that had light lit up dial? Remember that? Yeah. You could still buy those and then you hook it up to your, what cell phone through a Bluetooth gadget. She says it doesn't really work very well.

Leo Laporte (00:08:28):
I note this setup is not without its quirks in order to get my old rotary phone to ring using the cell two Jack, I can't believe I'm even reading this in the new Yorker magazine of all places using the <laugh>, the sell to Jack <laugh>. I had to pry open the back and switch the bias spring to low position. This is like you <laugh>. This is how things have changed, right? This is the kind of article you, you, you would have in, you know, bite magazine or PC magazine compute. You know, you set the bias spring, low position, some guy, you know, in a short sleeve white shirt with big dark glasses, big, you know, thick rim, black glasses, usually a complicated set of instructions. So the clapper is sensitive enough to function. Usually the sell to Jack. No, it's in the new Yorker, the guy, the mag, the magazine of literary <laugh> upscale college, educated America.

Leo Laporte (00:09:32):
Merca how to relive the pleasures of the landline. What a world, what a world we live in. So that's what we talk about. 88, 88. Ask Leo. Yeah, I can help you relive the pleasures of the landline. Although why? I don't know the same reason people buy vinyl records. Right? Look, honestly, I don't care what your audio file buddy says. They do not sound better. Okay. That's in his head or her head. That's imaginary. They scratch, they click, they warble. They wow. They do not sound better. It's a, it is just this kind of odd nostalgia. Isn't it? That we have because everything's moving just a little too fast and let's go back to the good old days. Laura professor Laura asked me just before the show began, you ever see a movie called Logan's run. I said, oh yeah. Oh yeah. That was kinda one of the science fiction classics.

Leo Laporte (00:10:37):
When did that come out? My God. A long time ago, 1976, Laura, you weren't even a twinkle. God, your dad probably wasn't even born in 1976. No, he was okay. Michael York. It's a, it's a 23rd century in which, and it's, it says it's an era in which, in order to keep the population low, you only get 30 years and there's a little du Hickey you have on your hand, that lights up when you get to be 30 and then the Sandman comes to terminate you. <Laugh> it was okay. Interesting story. Probably a great sci-fi story. Cornball beyond belief. The other day, I, I, I wanted to watch soy green cuz soy green, another, you know, classic sci-fi movie, Charlton Heston takes place in 2022. And I thought, oh, that's interesting. I wonder what they think. 2022 is like in the, in the distant past. <Laugh> well, let me tell you.

Leo Laporte (00:11:38):
It's not good. It's not good there. There's there's food riots there, there I will, I'm gonna spoil it here. This is back in 1973. I'm gonna spoil it. The food that they eat is called soiling green and it's made of people and they round up protestors with bulldozers. It's a very strange movie, very cornball and Logans run. Same thing. The future is nothing like we imagined not even like 2001 a space. Ossey nothing like, first of all, we don't have in 2001, we didn't have moon bases in 2022. We don't have moon bases. <Laugh> so, you know, we do have camera phones. We do have video phones though. Yeah, no. We eighty eight eighty eight ask Leo the phone number (888) 827-5536. Mike who's in the char he's a ham says I have a bake light phone. Yeah, that's what it was before plastic bake light phone that's wow.

Leo Laporte (00:12:39):
That was that hard. It was like kind of like almost a brownish rubber, his great aunt. Got it in 1948 and rented it till 1982 and the famous Carter phone decision someday. We'll go. We'll talk about that. That's a, that's a case classic case in antitrust history that, that proves that breaking up. These big trusts is a good thing, but that's, we'll save that for another day. There are hard rubber ones. They're black and the bake of light is kind of dark brown. Yeah, that's right. I knew that. I knew that cuz I had them cuz I'm old,

Leo Laporte (00:13:21):
Old, old,

Leo Laporte (00:13:22):
Old. Hello there. My good dear friend.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:13:26):
Hello Leo. You sound much better than you did.

Leo Laporte (00:13:28):
I am much improved. Took two tests. Negative tests. I should take another one though. Now that I see that president Bidens relapsed

Sam Abuelsamid (00:13:38):
Should probably did you and Lisa get Paxil vid?

Leo Laporte (00:13:40):
No. And I think Paxil Vi's what did it right?

Sam Abuelsamid (00:13:44):
It, it appears that it does in many instances cause rebound cases.

Leo Laporte (00:13:48):
That's what I've heard. Although it's, you know, this is also new. Nobody really knows anything. However, I do have jury duty tomorrow, so I will, before I call, I will test to make sure I don't bring the whole courtroom down.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:14:03):
That would be that would be a good

Leo Laporte (00:14:05):
Thing. Yeah. I already put it off once. Cuz they scheduled during the cruise anyway, I'm home. I'm back. I'm feeling better, much better.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:14:14):
Did you at least have a good time on the boat?

Leo Laporte (00:14:17):
No <laugh> I

Sam Abuelsamid (00:14:18):
Mean I did. When, when, when did, when

Leo Laporte (00:14:20):
Did you guys first few days? Well, so I started feeling, you know, a scratchy throat and I thought, oh I hope this is a cold. And by Thursday I was kind of losing my voice and I thought this isn't good. So at that point I thought whether I got it or not, I'm I'm gonna, you know, hang out in the room. Yeah. And and so I'm, you know, and we didn't do any, we only did one excursion cuz I didn't wanna be stuck in a bus with people and all that stuff. So anyway it wasn't as much fun as it could be. It's nice to have, you know, your food made for you and your bed made for you and yeah, I like, you know, we had a nice we had a, a nice deck out at the cabin so I could sit and watch, you know, the glaciers go by and stuff like that. So that was, oh, that's good. Yeah. It was fun. You know, we did it for the people more than for us. It wasn't you know, we had to work too, cuz we had to, you know, manage 111 people. So

Sam Abuelsamid (00:15:13):
It was, oh that's why you had Paul along.

Leo Laporte (00:15:15):
Yeah. Right. <Laugh> AF after we got back the the people who booked the whole thing said, oh, we should have provided you with a cruise liaison on board. Since you had so many people and we said, well, thanks for telling us now <laugh> yeah, cuz we were the cruise liaison port Lisa. So it was great. We did it because we wanted to, you know, hang out with the fans and that was really fun. Met some really neat people. We have wonderful fans. They love you. Oh thank you. Yes. so it was really great and we got some great you know, photographers on board and I saw wonderful pictures and stuff, so it's fine. Yeah. It's fine. We, we had, I had a laugh. I'm a big last California. Yeah. I forgot you were out here. Like we missed you.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:15:59):

Leo Laporte (00:16:00):
Did you have a good time? I

Sam Abuelsamid (00:16:01):
Waved and said hi as we drove by, you know, on 1 0 1.

Leo Laporte (00:16:04):
Yeah. Great. Yeah. I forgot that you were here while we were gone.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:16:08):
Yeah. Nice. Tony's seafood was amazing.

Leo Laporte (00:16:11):
Oh good.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:16:12):
We had a wonderful meal there.

Leo Laporte (00:16:14):
Oh, I'm so glad. All right. Well we'll talk in about 10.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:16:18):
All right.

Leo Laporte (00:16:22):
8, 6, 7, 130 5,022. Don't call that number. Hello, Kim Shaer phone angel.

Kim Schaffer (00:16:29):

Leo Laporte (00:16:30):
Oh, look at that. <Laugh> you're in my screen now. And

Kim Schaffer (00:16:34):
Then your screen

Leo Laporte (00:16:35):
That's so we can be sort of in the same room. So this is like

Kim Schaffer (00:16:38):

Leo Laporte (00:16:39):
Dr. Lloyd on the moon base. <Laugh> Dr. Floyd, whatever his name was calling his, you know, this is like the video call. We're kind of used to that. Do you make, when you call your friends and buddies, do you use a phone? Like just audio only?

Kim Schaffer (00:16:55):
Yes. I actually really, I hate when people FaceTime me. Oh see, because it's not usually in a good time. Right?

Leo Laporte (00:17:01):
You haven't made your bed put on your face, brush your hair, right? Put on a lovely little frock. You haven't done any of that. This is the

Kim Schaffer (00:17:07):
Same reason. I don't use facial identification for my phone because you don't, I don't need my phone telling me that it's not me. And it's not gonna open.

Leo Laporte (00:17:16):
Wait a minute. When you use face ID, it doesn't work.

Kim Schaffer (00:17:19):
No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying what I look like. What I wake up is probably not what I look like a few hours later.

Leo Laporte (00:17:26):
<Laugh> so I have a bad habit, which I'm really trying to break of looking at my phone in bed at night. Right? Use four. Am you go? Oh, I can't sleep. I'm gonna look at my phone. It never recognizes me then.

Kim Schaffer (00:17:35):
Yeah, no, I just prefer the pin code. It

Leo Laporte (00:17:37):
Was think, cause my face is squished up. Like Mr. Potato had in the middle of the night. Who's you're at her as somebody. Oh, squished up.

Kim Schaffer (00:17:46):
Yeah. I don't need my phone saying access denied. <Laugh> <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:17:50):
Actually I bet you use texts more than anything else I do. Yeah. Yeah. That's what the kids use.

Kim Schaffer (00:17:55):
I, I, I, I don't like phone calls for the most part.

Leo Laporte (00:17:58):
<Laugh> yeah.

Kim Schaffer (00:17:59):
Yeah. Maybe it's cuz I take so many of them here.

Leo Laporte (00:18:00):
I dunno. Yeah. Who should who should we start this so phone

Kim Schaffer (00:18:04):
Let's talk about phones. Lawrence has some questions on his Samsung galaxy.

Leo Laporte (00:18:10):
Okay. From Scott's bluff Nebraska. Thank you, Kim Schaffer. Hello Lawrence.

Caller 1 (00:18:15):
Hey Leo.

Leo Laporte (00:18:16):
Welcome to the show.

Caller 1 (00:18:18):
The blind guy, the Black's on the lawn.

Leo Laporte (00:18:21):
You're the only blind guy who listens to this show. No, that's not true. Not true. Hello. But I know you Lawrence. What can I do for you today?

Caller 1 (00:18:30):
Yeah, so lot to unpack here. Just wanted to say, I hope you get to feeling better and I'm glad to hear you back on.

Leo Laporte (00:18:38):
I feel fine. I've recovered from COVID so that's good news. Very,

Caller 1 (00:18:43):
Yeah. You kind of have that deep very well.

Leo Laporte (00:18:45):
I have a little bit of a, Hey baby. Hey baby. You know when a man and a woman? Oh no, I won't do that to you. What? <Laugh> what, although I should record my album now, right?

Caller 1 (00:18:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This would be best name. Yeah. So

Leo Laporte (00:19:02):
So songs to get COVID by, by Leo Laport. Anyway, what can I do for you Lawrence?

Caller 1 (00:19:10):
So I'm looking at trying to upgrade a phone and I was trying to do some reviews and heard some things about on a budget and I don't know what the pros and cons of going with an older phone. And I was reading some reviews about the Samsung galaxy S 20 F Fe.

Leo Laporte (00:19:35):
Yeah, the F Fe's are great. In fact, we had a, a phone company guy call. He works in a phone store say, I don't know why people don't recommend the F Fe, which stands for fan edition more so that's a two year old Samsung galaxy, but the fan editions even less expensive good choice. I think not a bad choice at all. I would also consider in fact to me right now, the best in, see, it depends what you think of as inexpensive. The best relatively inexpensive phone is Google's new pixel six a but that may even be too much for you. That's 450 bucks. You wanna spend less 200.

Caller 1 (00:20:11):
That's actually that's, that's actually in, within my price. It was just,

Leo Laporte (00:20:16):
That just came out. So instead of getting two year old technology, you're getting the latest with pixels at Google's tensor float chip and all of that an amazing camera and the reviews, if you'd look around, cuz it just came out, but the reviews are very positive. The pixel six a and you can either get it direct from Google many phone carriers will also have it. I think this is probably a good choice.

Caller 1 (00:20:43):
No, as far as like, so I know that this and I was doing the research on the Fe the size is kind of the it's a little bit on the smaller side. On the

Leo Laporte (00:20:55):
Side, this is a normal, I don't know how big it is. Probably 5.7 inches. Here's the most important thing with any Android phone it's secure and because it's a Google phone, it's going to get all the Google updates for the next three years, at least. And honestly that's the more, more than anything else. Number one, concern about an Android phone. So if you can afford it, get it, don't get a two year old model. Leo accord, the tech guy, ladies and gentleman, boys, and girls, children of all ages. It's time to talk automotive technology with Sam abbu will Sam principal researcher at guy's house insights, whatever that means and podcast you're. I know that, you ever listened to a radio show on your phone, you will wheel Hello Sam.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:21:44):
Hello Leo. It's good to be back with you again.

Leo Laporte (00:21:47):
Oh, I missed you. You were in town three weeks and I wasn't yeah,

Sam Abuelsamid (00:21:50):
I was, I waved as I drove by with my wife, you know, as we were heading up further north up to Santa Rosa and then west.

Leo Laporte (00:21:56):

Sam Abuelsamid (00:21:57):

Leo Laporte (00:21:57):
Great to great to have you on. So I see you're sitting in a field with two electronic vehicles, the Ford lightning F-150 and the Rivian one RT or whatever they

Sam Abuelsamid (00:22:12):
Call it. R one T yes,

Leo Laporte (00:22:13):
R one T we actually just put up a piece you did on that, on our podcast

Sam Abuelsamid (00:22:18):
Site and, and that's why I figured I'd talk about 'em a little bit today. I had, I had these two trucks together at the same time for a few days back in early June. And after Anthony finally dug out from under his workload that you guys keep piling on him, he, he edited together. The, the

Leo Laporte (00:22:36):
Anthony shot our super super editor. Yay.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:22:39):
Anthony does a great job on that stuff. He does. He's a fantastic editor. Yeah. and so yeah, that, video's up now on the, the TWI YouTube channel. And there'll also be a a written version of that coming up on Forbes wheels in the next day or so. Nice. So, so

Leo Laporte (00:22:56):
These are the two main competitors for pickups. Although I understand GM's EV Silverado is selling like hot cakes too. It's not out yet.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:23:04):
Well it's being pre it's pretty preorder preserved like hot preordered, like hot. It doesn't come out for almost another year. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:23:10):
So these are the two you get today.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:23:12):
Yeah. These, these are the two that are technically on sale right now. And if you ordered one, you know, a year, two, three years ago then you, you could, you could get one you know, about now or, you know, sometime in the coming months. But if you, if you go and try to order one now, unless you find somebody that has one that's willing to sell it you're probably gonna be waiting until well into 2023 to actually get your hands on one, if you order one now, but the, these are the two, the two electric battery electric pickup trucks that are on the market today. And they're both really good trucks in their own ways. You know, they, while they, they both cost a similar amount particularly the ones that, that I had the, the, the lightning that I had was the platinum, which is the highest trim level. It, it came to a grand total of about $93,000. Yikes. although,

Leo Laporte (00:24:08):
But you can get, but people buy trucks, I guess that's not an

Sam Abuelsamid (00:24:11):
Absurd. Yeah. Well, this is the, this is the luxury version. Yeah. you can also get, you know, they start the, the lightning pro interestingly, unlike apple when Ford calls something pro that's actually for their commercial customers and it's usually actually much cheaper. And so the lightning pro is actually the cheapest version of the lightning. And it it's, you know, it's their work truck, but although it's better equipped than their standard Excel gas trucks, which are their, the base work truck versions of their gasoline trucks and it starts at $40,000. And then, and then it goes up from there through the various trim levels. So I had the, the lightning lightning platinum and the R one T launch edition which, you know, it was also about $90,000. And although these are both pickups that both have a range over 300 miles, a hundred thirty, one hundred thirty kilowatt hour battery pack.

Leo Laporte (00:25:06):
Those are big, big battery packs, bigger than

Sam Abuelsamid (00:25:08):
Big battery packs,

Leo Laporte (00:25:09):
Bigger than you'd get in a standard EV because they're big, bigger to vehicles, they're bigger

Sam Abuelsamid (00:25:14):
Heavier vehicles. Yeah. And they, they need, plus

Leo Laporte (00:25:15):
You need 'em for towing and for payloads, right. Mm-Hmm

Sam Abuelsamid (00:25:18):
<Affirmative> right. And the lightning will tow 10,000 pounds. The Rivian will tow 11,000 pounds. And I haven't, I haven't done towing. I didn't get a chance to do any towing with the Rivian, but I've, I've done some towing with the lightning I've towed, a 9,500 pound trailer with the lightning. And even with a 9,500 pound trailer, that thing will still spin its wheels. If you step on the accelerator part. <Laugh>, I mean, it's, it's phenomenal.

Leo Laporte (00:25:42):
There's a lot of torque in electric vehicles and it's a hundred percent torque from the moment you step on it, unlike a gas vehicle, which ramps up. Yeah. So yeah, you can spin those wheels easy.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:25:53):
Yeah. Right. And, and the Rivian is smaller, quite a bit smaller than the lightning. It's about 16 inches shorter. It's really more of a mid-size truck. It's it's closer in size to a Ford ranger than it is in F one 50. Okay.

Leo Laporte (00:26:06):
Yeah. The F one 50 S are big aren't

Sam Abuelsamid (00:26:07):
They? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's, it's actually almost exactly the Rivian is almost exactly the same length as the Jeep gladiator. So that's the pickup truck based on the, the Wrangler. And it's really designed more as a lifestyle vehicle. So, you know, Rivian competitive set is really more people that are looking at high end Jeeps range, rovers, land rovers, that sort of thing. Whereas the, the F-150 is for anybody interested in a traditional full size pickup truck that happens to want an electric one. And so it's bigger. It's got the, the bed in the F one 50 S a lot larger but it only in the versions that they currently sell, it's only got nine inches of ground clearance. So it'll, it's four wheel drive, it'll go off road but not over big boulders and things like that. Whereas the Rivian has an airs springing suspension. And you can, if when you put it in offroad mode, it'll lift up to 15 inches of ground clearance. So you can go the kinds of places where you would go with a Jeep with a four wheel drive Jeep. And it is you know, it's, it's a, it's a much more capable offroad vehicle.

Leo Laporte (00:27:17):
Do you, I worry a little bit sometimes with my battery electric vehicles, because the batteries on the bottom mm-hmm <affirmative> it's. And I worry that if I, you know, to puncture that it'd be problematic

Sam Abuelsamid (00:27:32):
If you punctured it, that would be problematic.

Leo Laporte (00:27:34):
Yeah. so what do they do to prevent that when you go off

Sam Abuelsamid (00:27:36):
Road, they put a big giant steel plate all the way across the okay. Essentially from, from axle to axle, there's a big steel plate. Okay. That you were, you would have to like basically, you know, lift it up with a helicopter and drop it onto a really sharp Boulder puncture

Leo Laporte (00:27:53):
It. Okay. So don't do that. That's good. Yeah. I'll make a

Sam Abuelsamid (00:27:55):
Note and yeah. So yeah, you definitely don't wanna do that, but aside from that you know, it's, you know, I mean, if you're, when you go offroading in vehicles like this, and I I've, I have done it in like the Jeep grand Cherokee four by E, which is the plugin hybrid of the grand Cherokee. You know, it's kind of, it's kind of funny going offroading in a vehicle like that in electric mode, cuz you don't, there's no engine noise, you know, all you hear is the sound of the tires and, and occasionally the, the skid plate scraping over a rock, you know, as you're going over this stuff and it's, and then, you know, the sounds of nature around you which is pretty cool. And so if what you wanna do is go offroading you know, more of a lifestyle adventure vehicle, then the Rivian is probably your better choice.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:28:42):
But if you want something that, you know, has the capabilities that you expect of a traditional full size pickup truck, then the lightning is, is your best choice. So there really for, you know, it it's, you wanna pick the right tool for the job, you gotta figure out, okay, what is the job I want this truck for? And the, then you pick the, the one that best suits that so the, in the review I talk about that in the video review and in, in the upcoming written review, I talk about that a lot about which one is right for which customer. So they're both really good. One thing I do like better about the F-150 besides the fact that the cab is especially the back seat is quite a bit roomier. Is the, the, the area that would traditionally be the grill, you know, the area, that area between the headlights on the F-150, that's actually attached to the hood. So both both of these have a, a big front trunk but when you open the front on the, on the Ford, that part comes up. So you have a much lower lift over height to load stuff in. So you've got a little bit more space in there, 14 cubic feet, and you, you only have to lift it over the bumper. So it's a lot easier to load stuff up.

Leo Laporte (00:29:47):
Plus it tells you that that grill is completely foe. There is,

Sam Abuelsamid (00:29:51):

Leo Laporte (00:29:52):
It's just a fake grill cuz they don't need the, the air flow that a

Sam Abuelsamid (00:29:55):
Right gas. And then on, on the Rian that whole front FAIA is fixed in place. So you have anything you wanna load in there. You have to load over

Leo Laporte (00:30:02):
Little things like that can make a, I make a big difference. There's a, you know, we only have a few minutes to talk about it. If you wanna see Sam's more than an hour long review, it's our tech break and it's tech break episode 7 3, 5, 6. I'll put a link in the show notes. Thank you, Sam.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:30:22):
Thank you. Leo.

Leo Laporte (00:30:26):
Tick break. Do you wanna stick around a little bit? Talk to the people folks.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:30:37):
Sure. I can do that. Oh

Leo Laporte (00:30:38):

Sam Abuelsamid (00:30:38):
Bad news. Michelle Nichols died.

Leo Laporte (00:30:40):
I saw that in the chat room. Yeah. Yeah. The good news is you can watch strange new worlds and see the, you know, Aurora when she's young.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:30:48):
They, they did a really fantastic job with that show.

Leo Laporte (00:30:51):
It's a good show. Isn't it? Yeah.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:30:52):
It's, it's a lot of fun to watch if you like classic star Trek. It's it's great. And the, the cast, the casting they did is really fantastic in that. Yeah. Anson Mount is, is captain pike. And the actress that plays 

Leo Laporte (00:31:08):
Araura is very believable. Even the Spock. I mean you totally think. Yeah. That's that's young Spock. You bet.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:31:14):
It's a shame they killed off hammer though.

Leo Laporte (00:31:17):
I haven't got there yet. Spoiler alert.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:31:20):
Sorry. I don't

Leo Laporte (00:31:21):
Know. I,

Sam Abuelsamid (00:31:22):
I shouldn't have said that.

Leo Laporte (00:31:22):
I don't even know who that is. So anyway, <laugh> was he wearing a red shirt at the time?

Sam Abuelsamid (00:31:28):
Not at the time. No.

Leo Laporte (00:31:29):
No. Okay. <laugh>

Sam Abuelsamid (00:31:34):
Alright. Let's see. Let's ask, answer some questions here. Let's see. Web rats comment 37 and Raptor real offroad. I'm not sure what he means by that. But I, I do expect that at some point in the next couple of years, Ford will probably build an electric Raptor an electric version of the Raptor. So that will be, you know, more competitive with, with what Rivian got see a certain YouTube truck channel just did an expedition. Oh yeah. TFL truck. That's they do great work Micah and, and Andre and the rest of the team there do some fantastic videos. And yeah, they, they did an expedition they're based in in Colorado and they drove an F-150 lightning all the way up to PTO bay, Alaska. Wow. And it's quite an adventure.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:32:26):
They, they, they do they're putting out a 30 minute video every Saturday of the high, you know, of, you know, longer videos of some of the stuff. And then they're during the course of the week, they put out some shorter videos. And so if you look for TFL truck on on YouTube, you'll find them. And they, they do some fantastic stuff. One of the, one of the things that, that those guys do that I think is, is really great. And they, you know, this is their, their specialty because they're based in, in Colorado, they they're not far from the Eisenhower tunnel. And coming down from the Eisenhower tunnel, there's a long, I think it's like a seven or eight mile stretch of highway with a 7% grade. And they do something that they call the Ike Golet.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:33:11):
So they take trucks and they go up to the, the tunnel, the Eisenhower tunnel, and they start off going down from the tunnel towing a trailer you know, usually a seven to 8,000 pound trailer or, or heavier. And then they turn when they get to the bottom, they turn around and go back up. And when they're going down, one of the things they're looking at is they have the trucks in tow hall mode. And one of the things when, when you're using a truck, that's got towing capability and has tow hall mode. Typically what it's doing, what it does is it takes advantage of when it's got turbocharged engine using the, the turbo to generate extra back pressure on the engine. So, and, and downshifting. So to help control the speed. So you don't have to use the brakes as much because when you've got a long downhill grade like that, one of the problems is if you're on riding the brakes all the way down, by the time you get to the bottom, actually usually way before you get to the bottom of something like the, I you're going to overheat the brakes and then you're gonna have no brakes left and then you're just gonna keep accelerating.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:34:12):
And so they, one of the things they do is they measure how many times do you, do you have to apply the brakes going down that hill? And then going back up they're measuring, you know, can they, they do it at an average speed of I think it's 50 miles an hour going up the hill. And they, you know, they wanna see if they can do it in six minutes or less. And they did this with the F one 50. They've done it with the Rivian. They've done it with a bunch of other trucks. You'll

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Caller 2 (00:38:49):
Hey Leo. Hi. Good to talk to you again. Hey, appropriate that you played herb cuz I'm an old trumpet player, but

Leo Laporte (00:38:55):
Ah, I love it. Well, we must have known somehow. That's great.

Caller 2 (00:38:59):
And, and I'm sorry I missed you last week. I happened to be passing through Petaluma. We spent a night at the Koa there in our

Leo Laporte (00:39:07):
RV. Nice.

Caller 2 (00:39:08):
I rode my bike over to your

Leo Laporte (00:39:09):
Oh yeah.

Caller 2 (00:39:11):
I knew it was closed. I knew it was closed cuz of COVID and stuff. But I did take a selfie in front of the twit logo.

Leo Laporte (00:39:16):
Oh man. And

Caller 2 (00:39:17):
I said

Leo Laporte (00:39:17):
Hi to you. I'm sorry. I wasn't here. You know, a lot of times I'll see people doing that through my window and I'll run out and say hi and stuff. So next time and that Koa is supposed to be pretty nice.

Caller 2 (00:39:28):
Oh yeah, man. They've improved it through the years. I've been coming up there for years. Visited you a few times and it's really, if you have kids, that's the place to go?

Leo Laporte (00:39:38):
Oh yeah. They got a playground, a pool. It's really amazing. We actually had our daughter's 16th birthday there <laugh> oh, cool. Spent all our friends spent the night, her mom and I kind of spent the night in nearby cabin chewing our nails. It was fun. Yeah. It was fun.

Caller 2 (00:39:55):
So along with my traveling, I take a lot of pictures and I like to do make videos so that I can remember our trips. And I currently have a iMac 20, 27 inch, but it's late 2015. Hmm. Nowadays when I try to make a movie and I go past the 30 minutes in the rendering I don't know. I, I Mac you don't call it the blue screen of death, but I, it dies on

Leo Laporte (00:40:23):
Me. It dies. Okay. Yeah. There's a me, it sounds like a memory leak. What program are you using to do that? Imovie

Caller 2 (00:40:29):
Yes, sir. Eye moving. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:40:31):
So Apple's not perfect. And I I've had this problem with photos for instance, too many photos after a while. Well, what a memory leak is, and usually this is the, what happens when you get a crash after a period of time, a memory leak, is it, it allocates memory that it doesn't release and pretty soon it runs outta memory, even though it's not using all that memory, it crashes. And I think that's probably what's happening. Would it be better on a more modern Mac? Not necessarily if there's a bug in it, but what version of Mac O S are, are you able to use on that? Not the latest and I'm thinking you should check the iMovie version. You're probably not using the latest version of iMovie either.

Caller 2 (00:41:13):
I I'm using Monterey. Oh. And as this one movie I'd have to, I'll have to look.

Leo Laporte (00:41:19):
That's pretty, that's, you know, we're in Ventura territory coming up, but Monterey's the latest right now, so that's good. Yeah. Yeah. And so that probably means, you know, make sure you've updated. I movie that sounds like that's a bug in eye movie. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Caller 2 (00:41:34):
But I know I'm looking at a seven year old. 

Leo Laporte (00:41:39):
It might be time to get a new one. Yeah.

Caller 2 (00:41:41):
And that, that's my second part of my question. I'm looking at I wish they had the 27 inch. I max again, they

Leo Laporte (00:41:48):
I'm convinced they will. But they haven't yet. They only have the 20 fours and those 20 fours are really not very powerful. They're based on the M one, they're kind of more like an iPad on a stick than they are a real iMac. The rumors are that they will do this year, an iMac pro and a 27, or maybe even it'll be larger 30 inch iMac, cuz they're gonna get rid of some of those BES. But right now what you probably should look at, if you're in a hurry is a Mac mini with a with, and you do your own monitor. I'm doing that right now. The M one Mac mini is fairly inexpensive and gives you all of that power. Or if you can wait a little bit there will be, I think by the fall M two based devices, maybe even an iMac, the, I mean, if you wanna spend a little more money, it really depends on your budget.

Leo Laporte (00:42:38):
The, I thought when they came out with the Mac studio display and the Mac studio computer, that that was their iMac replacement that I was thinking, oh yeah. Instead of having a, you know, one device that has a computer and the screen, and even I was thinking, you know, I don't sure I want to tie the screen to the computer cuz computers get updated at different kind of tempos and screens. Maybe they keep the screen longer, but you'd wanna update the computer. You can't with an iMac, they're all tied together. So I was thinking separates might be a better way to go. Anyway. Remember in stereos, we did that too, right? Your stereo used to do it all. And then, you know, if you got more advanced in high-fi, you'd get separates, you'd get components. And I think the same holds true for computing. So you might wanna look at either a Mac mini if, if the budget's a little tight and a nice monitor or a Mac studio display and a nice studio, rather in a nice monitor, not the Mac studio display, that's overpriced

Caller 2 (00:43:33):
Right. Followed you for a long time. And I know you're not in favor of those, I am looking at the Mac mini. I was kind of leaning that way.

Leo Laporte (00:43:40):
Now the one thing you're gonna give up and I don't think it's a problem, but you should know is 5k those iMac monitors? I think yours is, is it 5k might not be

Caller 2 (00:43:50):
I no, no.

Leo Laporte (00:43:52):
I don't think so. Yeah. Round about that time they started selling five K IMAX. So you're not giving up anything. You won't, you really don't want to get a standalone 5k monitor. I don't think it's a good idea. They're way over next. Right. So just get a 4k monitor, which is fine with a Mac mini or a Mac studio depending on your budget.

Caller 2 (00:44:12):

Leo Laporte (00:44:12):
It may fix this problem, you know, it's gonna have more Ram it's gonna it's, you know, it's a different operating system. Really iMovie for M one is very different than iMovie for Intel. So you may, I would guess this is gonna fix the problem.

Caller 2 (00:44:27):
Yeah. When I build the, the, the video on my wife's MacBook pro laptop, it works fine.

Leo Laporte (00:44:33):
Oh, and, and what, what vintage MacBook pro does you have?

Leo Laporte (00:44:38):
Is it still an Intel? 

Caller 2 (00:44:41):

Leo Laporte (00:44:41):
Yeah. Okay. Well then maybe. Okay. Maybe then it's not four years old. Maybe it's not a memory leak then maybe it's something else. Maybe it's an interaction between the computer and the, and I movie, but yeah, I think getting, I think I have, I have to think getting a newer Mac is gonna help and boy, you'll see some big differences in speed.

Caller 2 (00:44:59):
Yeah. Can you recommend a, a display?

Leo Laporte (00:45:03):
Well, so I'm sitting in front. I mean the good news is displays are a lot cheaper than apples. <Laugh>, I'm sitting in front of a Samsung, which is 300 bucks for a, I think 20, no, I think it's a 32 inch display. I think Dell is the one I would go to. They make very good displays in a variety of prices. What you'll be able to do because you're, you're buying the display separately is get a bigger display. So I think it's great to go with a, you know, a 30 or 32 inch display. It makes a big difference. Yeah. I, the Samsung I got was, is curved and I didn't know when I bought, I wasn't paying attention, I would not recommend a curve display, but 32 inches out there. Yeah. For 300 bucks. I mean, I I'm very happy with it. There are a lot of good monitors. I would say the Dell is probably the best price performance mix. They sell a lot of them and they're very good. LG makes excellent monitors as you might expect. There are a lot of companies making very good monitors. So, you know, you're not, I

Caller 2 (00:46:03):
Know you, you, you spent a lot of time with me. One of my problems with the Mac mini is the size of the hard drive. I guess I need to learn to have multiple exterior.

Leo Laporte (00:46:15):
Well, here's the interesting story on the M one S on the new apple Silicon devices and Alex Lindsay, who one of the hosts of our Mac break weekly show was the first to point this out internal storage on everything, except these new M twos, which they, in which they put bad, hard drives, but <laugh> so, but on an M one, the internal storage is much faster even with Thunderbolt four than anything external. So definitely get enough internal apple overcharges for it. I know they do. That's the apple tax. Yep. But get enough internal to do what you want. Don't skimp on the internal, because it is noticeably faster than anything you could do external. So it's fine though, to say, I'm gonna get a, let's say a terabyte internal cuz that's gonna be my operating system, all my applications and the, and the video files I'm working on for this particular edit and then have an external drive that you store stuff, you know, for backup for offline purposes or whereas speed isn't as important. But for, for raw speed, remember that those internal drives on the M one, all the M one devices are significantly faster than the external drives.

Caller 2 (00:47:26):
And I believe they offer a, a single

Leo Laporte (00:47:28):
Terabyte. I don't know if they do. Oh yeah, they do. Yeah. Don't get two that's expensive, but two, one would be more than enough single and I should correct myself. It, they, it was only the base model M two max that, that use kind of crappy SSDs. But I would look carefully at the benchmarks and there does seem to be a big difference on those internal drives compared to the externals. Hey, I appreciate the call. Great to talk to you. I want make some movies for us. <Laugh> Leo, LePort the tech guy and now Sam was cement the car guy.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:48:11):
Hey, so before, before I dive back into the, the car stuff, I just wanted to say I actually, I have two of these mono price, 35 inch, those curve monitors, those. Yeah. they're normally 3 99. I've bought two of them on sale. 2 99 a piece. I have one and I'm sitting in front of now and the other one's upstairs in my office. And I really like these monitors. I mean, they're not, you know, they're not color perfect necessarily, you know, you're not gonna do color grading on these, but they've got, they're nice and big. They've got a lot of real estate and for my work that I do, and then when I'm doing stuff like this, you know, I can have multiple windows up here and, and see them at the same time. That, that nice big clean real estate is very, very handy. Yeah. That's nice. And, and they're, they're, they're cheap, you know, for, for, even, even at their regular price of 400 bucks. It's, it's a really nice monitor. Good. Hey,

Leo Laporte (00:49:03):
What so the infrastructure bill includes a return of the EV tax credit. Now it's not been signed yet, but presumably it will

Sam Abuelsamid (00:49:14):
Be, well, it, you know, assuming that Kirsten cinema doesn't, you know, oh, is this one that submarine? The whole thing?

Leo Laporte (00:49:21):
Oh, this is one that has not yet passed. There was another, it has not

Sam Abuelsamid (00:49:23):
Passed yet.

Leo Laporte (00:49:24):
Oh yeah. Yeah.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:49:25):
I still has to go up from

Leo Laporte (00:49:26):
I'm real reluctant to probably this

Sam Abuelsamid (00:49:27):

Leo Laporte (00:49:27):
Yeah. Yeah. This is the one that Chuck Schumer made a deal with Joe man with

Sam Abuelsamid (00:49:31):
Joe mansion. Yeah. Yeah. And there's still, there's still an opportunity for cinema to, well, I'm not gonna say

Leo Laporte (00:49:38):
One of the things mansion got him to do, and I don't think this is inappropriate is to have income restrictions on the credit. Right.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:49:44):
And, and actually that's something that I have been calling for for a long time both income restrictions and also price caps on the cars. So, you know, I mean, nothing personal Leo, but you know, if you can afford a hundred thousand dollars car you know, you

Leo Laporte (00:50:00):
Probably thing was

Sam Abuelsamid (00:50:01):
Really need a tax break. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:50:02):
But I didn't,

Sam Abuelsamid (00:50:03):
I mean, you know, you're your Tesla, you know? Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:50:05):
Yeah. That was crazy. Wasn't that? But in the early days it did fuel growth of the EVs and you can argue, oh, you shouldn't have subsidized you know, companies like Tesla, but I think it was important to get EVs off the ground. It's less important now maybe.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:50:21):
Yeah. I mean, it's debat. I mean, the, the people that were buying them, you know, it's debatable whether they wouldn't have bought them anyway, even without the incentives. Right. But that's true, you know, to really start making these things mainstream, you, you need to start getting them into, you know, into middle class consumers. Yes. and you know, for those people, you know, the thing, the thing that, that those consumers look for when they're buying a car, one of the first things they look at is what is my monthly payment gonna be? You know, I mean, they have a limited amount of ex disposable income every month, you know, that they have to distribute between rent or mortgage and how, you know, transportation and food and everything else. And, you know, so they're looking at, okay, I can afford $300 a month, car payment, or $400 a month car payment when with the way the system was structured up until now as a tax credit where you buy the vehicle.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:51:10):
And then you file for this tax credit next year on your, on the following year, on your tax return. And if you don't have enough taxable income, you don't even get it. You know, there was no real benefit to a lot of mainstream consumers. So what they're do, what they're doing in this bill is changing that to a point of sale rebate. So when you buy the vehicle, it gets taken off the price at the time of sale. And so it lowers your monthly payment right away, which is really important. And then they're limiting it, you know, based on income, it's $150,000 a year for a single filer, $300,000 for joint filers. And then there's, it's also capped for for cars at $55,000. So anything below $55,000, you get a break on it. And then for trucks and SUVs, it's up to $80,000.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:52:04):
Which both of those things I think are, are really good things. And there's also a $4,000 rebate for used DVS. And that's also really important as well because the vast majority of people in the us never actually buy new cars. We sell about three to four times as many used cars as used car, as new cars every year in the us, most people get by with, with used cars. And you know, there's still a lot of concern about what is the condition of the battery at the end of that, you know, when I'm buying a used EV how, how long is that battery gonna last me? So taking $4,000 off the price of a used EV is, is important. And then there are, you know, companies that are working on ways to measure the health of the battery like Cox automotive which owns Manheim auctions.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:52:55):
They're I think one the biggest, if not one of the biggest used car auction companies that when you, when cars get traded in or sold to dealers, they go to, to an auction place like Manheim and they get sold or off lease used cars come in, they go through typically through Manheim or one of their competitors, and they get sold to, to car dealers to then get sold onto consumers as, as used cars. What Manheim has done is they bought a company that has developed ways to do health testing on the battery. So they with used DS. Now they provide a health report on that battery. So you can have more confidence in the condition of that battery and that's, that's gonna help a lot as well. But to so in the, in the chat user 27 49 is asking, will Teslas be included in the eligible car.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:53:45):
So the EV credit yes at least some, some will, depending on the price point. So things like you know, model three up to up to $55,000 would be included. So lower end model threes, not ne not a model three performance and then model wise you know, up to that $80,000 price point, they start about 63 64 now. So the, again, the entry level model wise would also be included something like the, the model S plaid or model X. You're not gonna get a tax credit on those. And, and frankly, I'm fine with that. Same thing with, you know, Porsche Tycon, you're not gonna get a tax credit on that. But you know, the, the, the more affordable vehicles will definitely continue to get get the tax credits, assuming this passes it's still you know, they still have to get 50 senators to actually vote for this thing.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:54:37):
And there's still no guarantee that that's gonna be the case depending on what Ms. Cinema decides to do. So let's see yeah, the, the part about the the part about union made vehicles that was not what this user 27 49 says earlier in development, the bill was written to cover only union made vehicles. No, that's not true. They had incentives for all vehicles, but there was extra incentives for union, for vehicles that were built in north America, and then an additional incentive for vehicles built in, in UAW plants. That's gone now it's just vehicles that are built in north America. So that's the other part of this. They have to have a certain percentage of north American content to qualify. And again, Tesla makes a lot of their vehicles here in the us in California and a handful now in, in Texas.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:55:28):
So those, those would all qualify if they meet the price targets. Let's see, there was also a question in the chat about battery recycling. That is something that is happening already and it's going to be accelerating dramatically over the next several years up until now. There's been limited opportunities for re recycling because they're, frankly haven't been that many VE EVs that have reached end of life with batteries to recycle but Redwood materials which is started by JB Strobel, the former CTO of Tesla. They they've been recycling battery materials for a couple of years now. And what they've been doing is they've been collecting used consumer electronics batteries from phones and computers and all kinds of other devices, as well as getting scrap material from the production of batteries for Tesla vehicles in Nevada, as well as from the battery plant that produces the batteries for the Nissan leaf in Tennessee.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:56:24):
And they produce currently about they the recycling process basically gets gets you back to the raw materials needed to build new batteries. And it's it's actually a surprisingly efficient process. And they're producing right now about six gigawatt hours worth enough materials for about six gigawatt hours worth of new batteries. And then after that, it it goes to or they're, they're planning by 2025 to grow that to a hundred gigawatt hours, 500 gigawatt hours by 2020 by 2030. And then there was a question about rejecting the battery when it's full. This is something I talk about in the video and it's something that Tesla or Ford and Rivian do differently. Rivian when the battery is full it simply stops reining. And if you, even if you have it in one pedal mode you don't get as much deceleration when you lift off the Ford and some other vehicles like GM vehicles and Ford vehicles and, and some others, when you when the batteries full, it just automatically starts blending in the friction breaks. So you get consistent performance. And I think that is a much better solution and that's the way everybody should do it. So

Leo Laporte (00:57:31):
Have I love my one

Sam Abuelsamid (00:57:32):

Leo Laporte (00:57:33):
Behavior. My one pedal driving is the place.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:57:35):
Oh, it was great driving through the, the Christy roads and love in Russian river valley, along the coast. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:57:41):
Tvs are the greatest. Hey, thank you, Sam. Have a great week.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:57:45):
I'll talk to you next week, Leo.

Leo Laporte (00:57:47):
Why? Hey, Hey, how are you today? Leo LA port here, the tech guy, time to talk computers, the internet, home theater, digital photography, smart phones, smart watches, all that jazz. Eighty eight eighty eight, ask Leo phone number eight eighty eight, eight two seven five five three six S toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada. If you're outside that area still, still, you should call. You should just use Skype out or something like that. 88 88, ask Leah website tech. I We always put the links to everything. You know, that shows up on the show up there plus audio and video from the show and a transcript two that takes a couple of days, but we'll get that all up there. This is episode 19 14, 19 14 tech I'm looking at my text messages and I've got a few weird ones that say, are you home? Or how are you with a number?

Leo Laporte (00:58:50):
I don't recognize this is the new text scamming. And you should be aware of it. If you get text from a ostensibly a wrong number article from NBC news written by Kevin Collier, he says, he talks about a text message. He got that said, unah good evening. Tomorrow morning. The contract time of 10:00 AM has shifted to 3:00 PM for signing. I don't feel well. I need to go to the hospital tomorrow morning to see the doctor. Now you, you might, if you're a good Samaritan, you might think, oh, wow, that's an important message. I'm not Unna the person sending it probably should know that Unna didn't get this. I did. So you might respond and there would be your mistake. Callier says I'm not Unna, but I'm sorry to hear that then gets in a conversation with the person eventually, which says within a few minutes, she was offering to help me invest in cryptocurrency.

Leo Laporte (00:59:49):
They seem like such nice people. And of course, I, most, most of us are cynics <laugh> and we're gonna look at that and go, yeah. All right. And I'm not buying crypto from you. Yeah. Right. But this is the problem. There are lonely people out there, especially older people who relish the chance to have a conversation, even though it's with a stranger and it doesn't take long for the stranger to gain their confidence and then take advantage of them call your quotes. The deputy district attorney in charge of high tech crimes in Santa Clara county, accidental text messages have become one of the most common, new ways to CR to trick people.

Leo Laporte (01:00:37):
And they come in and they sound like they're. This is where they're really, you know, I can ignore something that says, Hey, how you doing? But if it says, Hey, can I make an appointment for my dog at your salon? Or, you know, something that sounds important, or I'm not gonna be able to make it to work. I hope you can get my shift covered. And you might feel like, oh wow. You know, that's some nice young person who's, you know, being a responsible employee. I better let them know. I don't want 'em to get in trouble at work. No, it's not. <Laugh> it's not, it's not what you think it is. It's some scammer probably oversees you know, trying to take advantage of you. So, and you know, I think anybody, I think those of you who listen to this show know better, right?

Leo Laporte (01:01:22):
You're not gonna fall for that. I get a, I it's, this all started in the last few weeks. I've starting to get a lot of these. Just, hello? Are you there? What's up, but they're getting more sophisticated now, you know? Oh, man, last night was amazing. I have your coat. I'm sure you would like it back, but that's not me. We might wanna check that number cause I that's just, I'm not no. Mm, no. So just a word of warning. And I know most of you are smart, not gonna fall for that, but tell your friends and family, you know, tell the older, lonely people in your, in your life who might just be lonely enough to get in a conversation with some stranger on text messages. That's a bad idea. That's a bad idea. Eighty eight eighty eight, ask Leo. That's my phone number back to the phones. We go and on the line from Hollywood. It's Jim. Hello, Jim.

Caller 3 (01:02:25):
Hi. It's a pleasure to speak with you after all these years.

Leo Laporte (01:02:28):
Well, I'm glad you called. We're trying to get more first time callers. So I appreciate, I appreciate you doing that.

Caller 3 (01:02:33):
Yeah. Some weeks ago you had a caller said he was a dinosaur because he knew F as well as Fortran. Yes. On that time scale, I guess I'm a blue green algae. Oh, my late fifties. I was involved in computer hardware development back when they still used vacuum tubes.

Leo Laporte (01:02:48):
Wow. Where were you working?

Caller 3 (01:02:50):
It was at UCLA.

Leo Laporte (01:02:51):
Fantastic with the great late great John postal. <Laugh> wow. That's so fantastic. Those were the days, you know, I, I was listening. I just read a book about John V Neman who was kind of created the blueprint for a modern computer. And they talked about the early days of Enoch and Leo, which was a very early computer. Fascinating, fascinating and exciting time.

Caller 3 (01:03:16):
Yeah. This was a swag SW I can still read hoists off a punch card.

Leo Laporte (01:03:22):
Hold what? No, really?

Caller 3 (01:03:23):
Yeah. And of course you'd have a box of 2000 of them. And if you ever dropped it, you had the floor sort to deal with.

Leo Laporte (01:03:29):
Oh, the floor sort that, that leaves 52 pickup. And the dust when it comes to no fun. The standards, Western automatic computer. That's it? Harry Husky's SW. Yes. Oh man. And, and, and were you wiring those those tubes up?

Caller 3 (01:03:47):
No, it was already built. I was an undergraduate. Then I got a job as a technician to move it from the north end of campus to the south.

Leo Laporte (01:03:54):
Oh man. 2300 vacuum tubes.

Caller 3 (01:03:58):
Yeah. It had a high speed memory that had 256 words. <Laugh> of <laugh> of 37 bits. Each. It had a 64 microsecond access time. It used five inch CellScope CRTs to store the data as, and little piles of electrons.

Leo Laporte (01:04:19):
Oh, wow. Did you, did they did they ever did you ever play space wars on those ASCI scopes? I think

Caller 3 (01:04:25):
Actually we had programmers who wrote a moon Lander program.

Leo Laporte (01:04:29):
Oh, fun.

Caller 3 (01:04:30):
And since there was an audio monitor that you could put on various circuits, they wrote music for it.

Leo Laporte (01:04:36):

Caller 3 (01:04:37):

Leo Laporte (01:04:38):

Caller 3 (01:04:39):
Yeah. And you had to walk lightly, you jumped up and down. You could gets loose. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:04:44):
Those vacuum tubes would work their way out as they heated and cool. You probably never turned off for that reason. 

Caller 3 (01:04:52):
It wasn't turned off a lot. Yeah. 20 tons of air conditioning.

Leo Laporte (01:04:58):
Oh my goodness. By the way. And I'm looking at the Wikipedia article about it in 1952 Rael Robinson used it to discover the five Mercent primes.

Caller 3 (01:05:09):
Yeah. It, it held the words, the world's largest Mercent prime record. Amazing.

Leo Laporte (01:05:14):
Amazing. And it did the calculations involved in the analysis of the structure of vitamin B12, awarding as a result, awarding Dorothy Hodgkin and Nobel prize in chemistry in 1964. That is amazing. Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:05:27):
First use was calculating ballistic tables for the Navy. Sure.

Leo Laporte (01:05:30):
Like all computers that's the, the first use of them during world war one and two was to not one world war II was to figure out where that Shell's gonna land <laugh>, which is not, not an easy thing to do. Ah, this is cool. Was it how big was it? Was it the size of a, a

Caller 3 (01:05:48):
Well, it, it was the size of a, I'd say a van,

Leo Laporte (01:05:53):
A van. Okay.

Caller 3 (01:05:54):
It wasn't the size of a semi truck,

Leo Laporte (01:05:56):
Not so

Caller 3 (01:05:57):
Big. And in fact, if you wanna see it, it actually played the maniac in the magnetic monsters, starring little Richard Carlsons

Leo Laporte (01:06:07):
<Laugh> it was in the movies. Yes. It was a movie star <laugh>

Caller 3 (01:06:11):
Yes. It, it absolutely was. And that was sort of a rain very strange predecessor to my running off to Hollywood where I've spent the last half century plus.

Leo Laporte (01:06:23):
And what have you been doing in Hollywood?

Caller 3 (01:06:25):
Recording actor's voices. Nice. And I,

Leo Laporte (01:06:29):
So you work on the sound stage, your sound recordist or is it after?

Caller 3 (01:06:31):
Yeah, I'm, I'm a production sound mixer. Oh, nice. Yeah. I got to work on the last three years of the first avatar.

Leo Laporte (01:06:38):
Oh, wow. Fun.

Caller 3 (01:06:39):
Absolutely amazing.

Leo Laporte (01:06:40):
I bet. Three years.

Caller 3 (01:06:43):
Yeah. It took five years. Holy moly. And they kept their production sound mixers kept aging out, going off to other shows. So

Leo Laporte (01:06:52):
It's like, I can't do this anymore.

Caller 3 (01:06:53):
Yeah. Oh no. It was just incredible. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:06:56):
We can. We have, we can have many, many conversations, including, you know, a conversation that happens a lot on this show. Why can't I understand the vocals on movies anymore? How come I, I can't understand the actors

Caller 3 (01:07:09):
That has a, that has a very simple answer. The director, the editors, the producers have been working on that movie. They know the dialogue by heart. In fact, if you cut the dialogue track out, they'd still hear the word. Aha. So when they're doing the rerecording mixer, when they take the sound effects and the music and the dialogue and put them all together. Yeah. The effects people are all there. The music people are all there. The production mixer is never there

Leo Laporte (01:07:35):
And that's who should be there. Cause he's the one who's gonna say.

Caller 3 (01:07:38):
That's why

Leo Laporte (01:07:39):
It's inaudible.

Caller 3 (01:07:40):
That's why they bury the dialogue. Yeah. And if you're doing a comedy, they don't have a candle laugh track to put in on the stage as a result. They don't boost the dialogue after the punchline. And so it gets lost too because the audience hopefully is laughing and right.

Leo Laporte (01:07:58):
And stuff. It gets drowned out. If it's a good comedy <laugh>

Caller 3 (01:08:03):
If you do, you do have a sound bar and you have control over the relative levels. You can boost the center channel

Leo Laporte (01:08:09):
Dialogue. That's exactly what I do. Big help. Yeah. That's exactly what I do. But wait a minute. Now you called for me to give you some help. So maybe it's my turn to help you.

Caller 3 (01:08:17):
Sure. in the early eighties I wrote my first textbook. I see no reason to take my secrets to the grave. I used a brother WP, 80 and 85. Wow. A good word processor. Yes. It was great. It had keys for cut and paste and insert. It

Leo Laporte (01:08:30):
Was like a typewriter, but it had a screen, right? Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:08:33):
Yeah. It had, it had a built in Daisy wheel printer. You could put a stop code in the file and change the font and you could do diagrams and stuff. That way.

Leo Laporte (01:08:42):
I remember Steve Martin telling me he wrote cuz he's a computer buff. He wrote the three Amigos on a very, a similar, old word processor. And he said, if I moved a paragraph of text, I'd have to get up and go get a cup of coffee while I waited for the machine to reorder the text.

Caller 3 (01:08:59):
Yeah, no, no. It was fast. That way the problem was to use it used floppy. Mm. So I wound up for my first book having to put one chapter on each floppy. Oh my anyhow, I'm now writing my Magnum Opus. Oh good. We've got newcomers. Come in. We have no more apprenticeship programs and everything. And it's currently over 1600 pages and 600,000 words.

Leo Laporte (01:09:20):
Oh this will be a classic though. This is so important. Oh my God. When it comes out, I want to interview you. I wanna talk about this.

Caller 3 (01:09:27):
Yeah. My first, my first book using time code in the real world. And that was our E E L made it to a third edition before the knowledge was widespread enough that they didn't need it anymore.

Leo Laporte (01:09:37):
And then the reels went away and <laugh> yeah, exactly. Well, that's the problem. It moves constantly. I, I, I wanna read this book, so how can I help you? This is important. Okay.

Caller 3 (01:09:46):
I'm using word. Yeah. And everything was going fine. And like autopsy, my file kept growing and yeah. Word started slowing down. Right. I was started with word 2016 and I thought, oh, it may be a computer problem, but, well, I got 20 gigs of Ram and I've got an M M two, two terabyte memory. I've actually got two of them in there with a file in one and the program and the other, I went online and I found out word doesn't like big files. Yes. And it, it, anything over 20 megabytes has got a problem. I was over 30 that's right. Well, I Dre all the images here.

Leo Laporte (01:10:21):
You're, you're back to a chapter <laugh> of floppy disc.

Caller 3 (01:10:24):
I really don't wanna do that because of the interactive table of contents and everything. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:10:28):

Caller 3 (01:10:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I upgraded to word 2021 that actually ran a little bit slower.

Leo Laporte (01:10:35):

Caller 3 (01:10:35):
Lord. Yeah. I, I tried defragmenting the file. It made a slight improvement, but I've been online looking, trying to find a professional word processing program cuz by the time comes, when I need my interactive index this one will, I will have to go have dinner while it does stuff. Right. And I cannot find anything that any review says is any better than a word.

Leo Laporte (01:11:01):
Well, everybody uses word. Is it, are there things better? Yeah, I think so for in the problem is of course the additional stuff you wanna do, like the automatic indexing. But if you were to write in a simpler program, a text focused program, for instance, and then put it in word and go to dinner while it's doing the hard stuff, you could get kind of the best of both worlds. There are some things you can do to speed up word. And I have an article that I'm gonna put in the show notes, things like disabling graphics, acceleration. Why is that on? You don't need that. You know, deleting your temporary file sometimes, you know, keeping track of those can really slow downward. And of course you can and you probably already are doing this periodically optimize the document to make sure that it's fully indexed and that will speed things up as well. So I'll put this in these show notes.

Caller 3 (01:11:55):
Yeah, please do. I'm aware of either of those two.

Leo Laporte (01:11:58):
Yeah. Optimizing by itself would make a big difference. But then the other thing you might wanna look at is just, you know, you're gonna think I'm nuts. I use EAX you'll remember that it came much later than the swag, but I use a text only editor because it's better at handling large documents. Text is much simpler, right?

Caller 3 (01:12:21):
Yeah. Can you structure it in an outline form?

Leo Laporte (01:12:24):
Yeah. Well, you know what, the thing that's interesting about Emax which has been around since 1971 is it's modern, even though it's a text interface and it doesn't seem modern. It is so widely used that people have really kept it up to date and yes, with org mode, for instance, there's a lot of outlining capabilities. There's a lot of structure in there. I'm not gonna recommend EAX cuz that's a steep learning curve. You won't be able to finish the book in, in time, but stay, hang on the line. Cause I'll, I'll help you a little bit more off here. Sure. Thank you. Leo Laport, the tech guy are you in a Mac or a PC? I guess that's the first thing.

Caller 3 (01:13:04):
You're gonna hate me. I'm a PC person.

Leo Laporte (01:13:06):
I don't hate PC people. That's okay.

Caller 3 (01:13:08):
Yeah, because a lot of programs I need you can't get in Mac.

Leo Laporte (01:13:12):
Yeah. so let me think on the PC, you know, on the Mac, for instance, there's a really good program called BB edit, which is a text editor thing is that text editor. Isn't gonna have all the features you like, but there's no reason you couldn't write chapters in text and then put 'em in that word document. You don't want, what you don't want is the slow down while you're writing, right?

Caller 3 (01:13:35):
Yeah. because sometimes it will freeze up on me. Yeah. 

Leo Laporte (01:13:40):
So you wanna be able to write as fast as your brain works <laugh> but you don't. I think you probably don't mind after you've written a chapter or two cutting it and pasting it into word and, and you know, not as long as you're not writing in word, you still want those word features. I think. Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:13:57):
Yeah. Well see one of the problems is some of the information is spread out over the entire length of the

Leo Laporte (01:14:03):
Exactly. So it needs access to the whole thing. When

Caller 3 (01:14:05):
I read part of it, I say, oh, I gotta go back to this chapter and you know, fix, fix that. So it'll be consistent then go back where I was with the interactive TC. 

Leo Laporte (01:14:18):
Let me give you a recommendation that may or may not work for. You can try before you buy it's designed for exactly what you just described. It, it, the idea is you take notes, you keep the notes, you are able to refer back and forth to the notes, all of that stuff. And it's free to try. So I would at least open it and try it's called Scrivener. It's really designed for writers to do this. And I think it might be the solution for you. It's from a co the website is literature and <laugh> but if you search for Scrivener, yeah. The name should tell you this is made for writers, but it's made for writers that do a lot of research. So it side by side has it, it, it, it completely organizes it. I think you could write the whole thing in Scribner, to be honest, it has your notes available to you. Just take a look at it on the website. And it's really designed for very long 1600 pages is long, but it's designed for that.

Caller 3 (01:15:23):
Yeah. I don't need separate notes. I just need the ability to find stuff. Right. You know, I, what

Leo Laporte (01:15:29):
Happens though with Scribner is you keep it open as you're doing whatever research you need to do. And you write the research in Scrivener, not as part of the book, but as a separate part that is then linked to the book so that you have it there. If you don't need it, you don't have to use it. But it will, but you can have photos. You can have PDFs, you can have text all sorts of stuff, but I think it will especially well handle super large files. It does then export to word format. So you wouldn't, you wouldn't be left out of word and you may well wanna use word for the final index and TC and

Caller 3 (01:16:03):
All that. No. Can I import a word document in the

Leo Laporte (01:16:07):
Scrivener? Yes, I think so. Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:16:08):
Okay. I certainly will check that out.

Leo Laporte (01:16:11):
I think that's that's it was designed specifically for what you just described, which is huge amount of text, cross referencing searching. You can com you know, you compose the sections you wanted really as fast for reordering or rearranging. I think this is kind of what you want. When, when do you think this book will be out?

Caller 3 (01:16:36):
Well, I, I had hoped to finish the first draft by the end of last year, but the technology is expanding exponentially and I have to go back and keep rewriting stuff with all the new

Leo Laporte (01:16:47):
Gear that it changes constantly. Yeah. Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:16:50):
I tried to write this book throughout my entire career and I was working so much. I couldn't keep up with the time. I bet I've been working on it now for over two years because of COVID cuz I've got this time,

Leo Laporte (01:17:01):
Time. Perfect time. Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:17:02):
Yeah. You know, I'm I'm in my eighties, fortunately, my brain still works.

Leo Laporte (01:17:06):
You sound sharp as attack. Absolutely. Hey, I have to run. Yeah. Jim let's stay in touch though. All right. Thrilled about that project. Thank you so much. All right. Take care. Scrivener. It's about when the SW computer <laugh> came out, Leo Laport, the tech guy. I love it. Love it. It says let's get a little Glen Miller on there. Eighty eight, eighty eight ask Leo's the phone number. I spent a little more time talking with Jim. He's got that big book, project, 1600 pages everything, a, a modern day sound record us needs to know mixer needs to know to make a movie or a TV show. Man, this is gonna be good. What? I didn't ask him. I bet he has a clever title cuz his last book had a clever title. <Laugh> so I bet you, he, I didn't ask him, but we'll find out I'm gonna stay in touch.

Leo Laporte (01:17:52):
Ended up and I think some of you might be interested in this answer. He's trying to do it in word. Word is just a pig. Let's face it. It is. It always has been. And you know, this is a problem with modern day software in general, the designers can start to assume, oh, you've got huge amounts of memory, huge amounts of processor. You fast, fast, hard drive. You're not gonna have any problem handling my pig of a program so they don't optimize it. They don't improve it. They just make it bigger. They add features cuz that's how you sell stuff. These days is having all those features and you just get a bloated pig, slow piece of software. And I think that's what's happened with word. I mean honestly, how many, how many new features does a word processor need? Right? It doesn't. But in order to keep selling word 20 16, 20 18, 20, 20, 20, 22 and keep, they gotta keep adding something.

Leo Laporte (01:18:48):
If you're using 2016, how are they gonna get you to buy 2022? We've added the super new self writing feature. Never write a word again, let word do it. They they're ma you're making stuff up now, but everything they add slows it down. And of course they never take anything out. So it's just bigger and slower. There are, as a result, there are quite a few programs now designed for writers to get out of the way things as simple as typo, which is just a blank screen of paper. You've probably seen that or the bear on the Mac or IA writer. But the one I thought he maybe should take a And it's a program called Scrivener. And it's really designed for writers who are gonna write something giant, something big, lots of words, but also have research and notes. They want indexes tables of contents. They wanna rearrange and it does it all super fast. So I think that's the one to take a look at Scrivener Leo Laport, the tech guy now with a super pine flavor. Super pine centered. Hello Chris. Marwar

Chris Marquardt (01:20:12):
Hello? How are

Leo Laporte (01:20:13):
You? I am great. How are you?

Chris Marquardt (01:20:16):
I'm doing good. I've used Scrivener to write two books.

Leo Laporte (01:20:19):
Oh, there you go. <Laugh> I don't say no more. Say no more.

Chris Marquardt (01:20:25):
It's good. It's good. It's good. It's a bit of a learning curve, but it is, it it'll handle the load for sure.

Leo Laporte (01:20:32):
Yeah. I mean what's the longest book you've written

Chris Marquardt (01:20:38):
350 pages. Something

Leo Laporte (01:20:40):
Like that. Yeah. Yeah. He says his is 1600 pages

Chris Marquardt (01:20:45):
Now. Yeah, no problem. It'll it'll handle that.

Leo Laporte (01:20:47):
It's designed to do that. Yeah. It's now I've never used the windows version. But the me neither, but the Mac version is, is just a classic. And I imagine if they're put and they are putting out a windows version that it must work well,

Chris Marquardt (01:21:01):
What I really like as you said, easy re resorting of things, but what I really came to love is the sort of built in lightweight project management. Yeah. Like you have an instant overview of how far you are with which part.

Leo Laporte (01:21:13):
See, I think he'd really appreciate that without slowing it down, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think this is,

Chris Marquardt (01:21:21):
You gotta spend some time with it though. That's

Leo Laporte (01:21:23):
To get, get, to get going. Yeah.

Chris Marquardt (01:21:26):
To, to get used to it and everything, but

Leo Laporte (01:21:28):
It's not word you have the

Chris Marquardt (01:21:29):
Structure in there.

Leo Laporte (01:21:30):
Think him out how much time he had to spend to get to used to word used to word <laugh> word is nuts. We just it's

Chris Marquardt (01:21:38):
Isn't isn't that amazing word had Al has always been so bad at more than, I don't know, a hundred pages or something. Yeah. And it never became bad. Never

Leo Laporte (01:21:47):
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Chris Marquardt (01:24:54):
I missed you. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:24:55):
Man. My personal photo sensei at sensei photo S E N S E I that's where he does coaching. And he also of course takes beautiful images. You could find him on flicker and of course, links and and writes books, his film book and his wide angle photo book are class spec. You're updating the film book now, which is great.

Chris Marquardt (01:25:17):
We're working on that. Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:25:19):
And does photo workshops and blesses us each week with his appearance? It's time to review the photos.

Chris Marquardt (01:25:30):
It's time to review the, let me check the beautiful assignment. Mm.

Leo Laporte (01:25:35):
The one that we

Chris Marquardt (01:25:37):
Drove from the fishbowl and I'm so happy. We have 44 people who contributed to that. And this was a difficult one because you know, if, if you ask for beautiful pictures, there could be beautiful pictures of things of anything, or it could be pictures of things that those people like and find beautiful. And that is of course in the, the eye of the beholder. So making a choice between different things is really difficult. And I ended up choosing things that I like because that's the easiest. But all those pictures are beautiful. Just need to get this out of the way first. Amazing photos. Everyone did a, did an awesome job. So I've made a choice of three. And the first one I chose because it is it is generally considered one of the most beautiful birds photo of a peacock Scott mag lain. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:26:35):
Nice. That

Chris Marquardt (01:26:37):
And it, yeah, it, the only, the only, the only critique I might have is that I kind of wanted really centered, really symmetrical slightly to the sides. Yeah. That's but that is just

Leo Laporte (01:26:52):
You very, you could fix that. That's easy to fix.

Chris Marquardt (01:26:53):
You could fix that. You could fix it. You CRO you could crop that. But I like the, the way the Scott filled the screen with it, there's no background that distracts from the peacock mm-hmm, mm-hmm, <affirmative>, it's it's filling the filling. The, the frame with things is usually a good idea, especially when you wanna be really clear on what that thing is about. So Scott,

Leo Laporte (01:27:18):
Nice job love peacocks. We have them in our backyard and they're the, the picture, this picture is the reward for a year long. They're very noisy.

Chris Marquardt (01:27:32):
Yeah. I've, I've been around peacocks and yes they

Leo Laporte (01:27:35):
Are. But, but when the males are displaying, man there, that is beautiful. Wow. Yeah. Very nice.

Chris Marquardt (01:27:42):
And second one is by Gerald Wiley,

Leo Laporte (01:27:45):
Who a macro

Chris Marquardt (01:27:46):
Photo. It's a very beautiful macro photo of a yellow rose with a lady bug on it. And everything about this picture is great. There is a neutral background in this case, a black background. So there's no distraction there. The, you, you have a slight out focus, which really, which really leads your eye to where the focus is, and that is on that lady bug. And that's, it's a good one. It's a good one.

Leo Laporte (01:28:16):
No, I love the texture of

Chris Marquardt (01:28:17):
Really happy about

Leo Laporte (01:28:18):
The pedals is so beautiful. Yeah.

Chris Marquardt (01:28:20):
It doesn't, it doesn't say what camera Gerald used. I'm I'm suspect that it might even be an iPhone in portrait mode, but that doesn't really matter cuz it's a beautiful photo. That's right. The, the color contrast is unusual. Normally you would contrast something red with something green. So here it's both on the warm side of the spectrum, orange and red, but still, I mean the, maybe that, that, that's what I think makes it interesting. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so mm-hmm, <affirmative> really good job. Really good job. And last but not least Marjorie, no Mitch, M Mitch.

Leo Laporte (01:28:56):
I know this guy. It's mark. Yes. In fact, this is from our cruise.

Chris Marquardt (01:29:01):
So you were there. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:29:03):
I have this picture. I know this exact glacier in glacier bay. And and mark came up to me and said, Hey, what camera are you bringing? I said, well, well you know, I've got my Sony, what do you have? He said, I have the new Nikon Z seven. And he took some amazing pictures. Gorgeous, gorgeous pictures. Well,

Chris Marquardt (01:29:26):
It is so, so I, I, I picked that because I'm just, I love the ice.

Leo Laporte (01:29:32):
I've you're

Chris Marquardt (01:29:32):
A nice guy. I've been in places like that, straight in at the edge of a glacier ownership. So that is just something very special. And what mark did here is, and he, he, we did a few things here. First of all, he, the picture's nicely structured. So we have this strip of background on the top and then we have the, the glacier itself in the middle and then a strip of water on the bottom. And then there is just to give you a better idea of the size of things. He has put a boat there, or the boat has been there, but he he composed it. So the boat is there. Sit, the boat sits nicely at the right bottom. Very well spaced feels like a very deliberate composition. And and that that's gives the whole thing perspective. You know, you, you, the, the size of that glacier snaps into focus, so to speak, it is a very good photo.

Leo Laporte (01:30:27):
You wanna see the same boat, same glacier from my camera. <Laugh> go

Chris Marquardt (01:30:32):
Ahead. Go

Leo Laporte (01:30:33):

Chris Marquardt (01:30:34):
There we go. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:30:35):
There we go. Yeah, it was that's the Marjorie glacier in glacier bay and that boat very timely appearance on that boat because it did

Chris Marquardt (01:30:44):
Help and you shot that with a wider angle. You shot that with

Leo Laporte (01:30:46):
A wider yeah. I wanted to get more because folk length. Yeah. Cuz the cloud, you

Chris Marquardt (01:30:50):
Added a lot more context,

Leo Laporte (01:30:51):
Right? Yeah. I wanted to see the mouse choice. Different choice. Yeah. But that's the beauty of it. Right. You know, everybody, and I think I have some that are exactly like his, to be honest with you. <Laugh> I took a lot of pictures of that glacier because I was stuck in the room and staring at it for a couple hours. But it

Chris Marquardt (01:31:09):
Was so you shut out of the window.

Leo Laporte (01:31:11):
No, no. I was on the deck. I was on the deck. Oh, you went out there? Yeah. We had a little balcony. So I went out on the balcony to get it. And when this boat showed up, I was extremely happy because I knew that you couldn't really get a sense of how big that glacier is unless you had a little tiny boat in front of it. So that's pretty cool. Yeah. Very nice. Mark. You should see. And mark send Chris some of his other pictures. He got pictures of bear eating salmon. He got pictures of I mean gorgeous shots. Oh, I could show you a couple with that a new Nikon mirrorless, which is, I think quite a nice, quite a nice camera.

Chris Marquardt (01:31:51):
It's a, it's a, it's a, it's an amazing

Leo Laporte (01:31:54):
Camera. They did. 

Chris Marquardt (01:31:55):

Leo Laporte (01:31:56):
A great job. So time to go to the fish bowl and pick a new adjective.

Chris Marquardt (01:32:01):
Yes. Fishbowl and will pick another word. And the new word is oh, friendly.

Leo Laporte (01:32:10):
Oh, I like it. Friendly, friendly. I like

Chris Marquardt (01:32:14):

Leo Laporte (01:32:14):
Too friendly. Now, mark, you don't get to use any of those old pictures. You gotta start all over again and take new pictures. True. Illustrating the word or I'm so glad mark submitted that though. That's great. Illustrating the word concept, the idea friendly, whatever that means to you. We're not gonna tell you and the way this works, you go to, which is a wonderful photo sharing site, tag it, TG friendly. So we know this is for the the Tech Guy show and Renee, and then submit it to the Tech Guy group Renee Silverman. Our moderator will say, oh, thank you. Very nice, very eyes. And she'll she'll she'll post post it and then about a month, we'll go through 'em and you wanna see another one of Mark's pictures by the way? I'll just, there's so many amazing pictures he

Chris Marquardt (01:33:02):
Got, oh, look at that.

Leo Laporte (01:33:03):
These are two bears fighting over, probably over a salmon. So he did a beautiful, yeah, he did some really amazing shots. I think he had a long lens with that. 

Chris Marquardt (01:33:15):
You'll need like a, for that. You

Leo Laporte (01:33:17):
Don't wanna be up close to

Chris Marquardt (01:33:18):
A, but six to 800 millimeters. You don't wanna be, be

Leo Laporte (01:33:22):
Next to a, a bear

Chris Marquardt (01:33:23):
Or it's nice and cuddly as they look, they are dangerous

Leo Laporte (01:33:26):
Or a bald Eagle either. They, they look a little, little cranky too. <Laugh> all right. We've got it friendly. Is the word friendly? What illustrate that, that idea, that concept you could do it uploaded to flicker TG. Friendlys the tag. And in four weeks, Chris Marwar will be back. Well, he'll be back next week as a matter of fact, but he'll be back in four weeks to

Chris Marquardt (01:33:48):
Review. That's the plan. Yes. Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:33:49):
Hey, thanks. Chris is the place to find his work and his workshops. And of course you find him here every Sunday. Leo LePort the tech guy. Yeah. I'm let me find the, my favorite though. Mark's getting a lot of credit cuz I've been, I've been talking about Mark's pictures. This is another one. Just amazing. Yeah. I mean, I think that that camera and he uses DX O well,

Chris Marquardt (01:34:23):
You know, it's, it's, it's the camera, but it's good timing. Also what, where you pointed at when you press the shutter button, how you compose, what you include, what you leave out. Yeah. So yeah, there's a lot of things that you still have to do to get a good photo. Camera's not gonna do everything for you. It's still fun. Great toy. And the very, very capable camera

Leo Laporte (01:34:42):
We did. And I'm really glad we did. And a lot of people have submitted to it a a Google album. So people have submitted their pictures to it. So everybody gets to see the fun and so forth. That was, that is nice. A lot of fun. That was a good way to do, do it. Cuz now we have a ton of pictures, including marks. Oh there's an, you know what? I bet he got a peacock picture too. <Laugh> I would think so. Yeah. <laugh> that looks like it's in Victoria, British Columbia. All right, Chris. Wonderful to see you again. I missed you. It's great to have you back and we'll see you in a week. Glad to be back. See you then take care. Care. Bye bye Baba. Bye.

Leo Laporte (01:35:29):
Yeah, don't don't get right up in there with the bear. I would say <laugh> you wanna, Hey, wanted to use a telephoto on on those bear pictures. We have some great people on that trip. It was so much fun and I feel terrible that I I ended up missing the last event cuz I thought, eh, I don't, I don't feel so. Very good. I think I didn't feel awful, but I just didn't wanna risk anybody. So like at this shot also from mark and his his Nikon, I got a Nyon camera crystal clear, just crystal clear. Just amazing. Leo LaPorte think deck guy <laugh> I confess and Lisa was getting really tired of it. My wife, I did sing this song a few times when I <laugh>. I was trying to scare away bears. I thought that's a good way to do it. Mike's on the line from Yakima, Washington, Leo LA port, the tech guy. Hi Mike.

Caller 4 (01:36:41):
Hi Leo. Hold on. See, lemme turn the radio down. Sure, sure. There we go. Okay. Leo or should I say Leo?

Leo Laporte (01:36:49):
Leo. Leo. Oh no. What did I do wrong?

Caller 4 (01:36:53):
A couple of minor mistakes, little small errors, small errors. I don't think it'll affect the outcome of the game, but just little errors. <Laugh> first of all, forgive me if you someone's already called in and correct you on this because I'm an hour behind. Cause I listened on the radio and the radio station. I listened to ha runs the show an hour behind.

Leo Laporte (01:37:13):
Oh, so you're responding to something that happened an hour ago. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough.

Caller 4 (01:37:18):
Something related to that. While he is waiting on the line, I was listen on the radio to the car guy. I know it's listening on the phone to the photo

Leo Laporte (01:37:26):
Guy. Very confusing. <Laugh> <laugh> time. Time is just a time is just a fiction is don't take it too seriously. Right,

Caller 4 (01:37:35):
Right. Okay. 2001.

Leo Laporte (01:37:39):
A space Odyssey.

Caller 4 (01:37:40):
Odyssey. Yes. <Laugh> that film came out in 1968.

Leo Laporte (01:37:45):
I did correct myself. You must have missed it. Oh, cause I looked but only cuz I looked it, I said seventies and I looked it up in the Wikipedia and I said woo 68. <Laugh>. Yeah,

Caller 4 (01:37:55):
But that was the same year as Apollo eight. Wasn't it?

Leo Laporte (01:37:58):
It might be Apollo of course Apollo 11 landed on the moon in 69. So 68 would've been a year before we actually landed. But we had probably in, in Apollo eight gone out. And of course that famous of the big blue.

Caller 4 (01:38:13):
Yeah. Yeah. Right. I always like to pull away because they, even though they didn't land on the moon, they they got that gorgeous picture of the earth from incredible. Just over the crest of the moon there. And the let's see,

Leo Laporte (01:38:31):
What else did I get wrong? It's Dr. Floyd, right on the moon. Yeah. Yes <laugh>

Caller 4 (01:38:35):
Yes. I didn't, I,

Leo Laporte (01:38:36):
I didn't, I haven't seen the movie since 1978. So you got the 10th anniversary. So you know,

Caller 4 (01:38:41):
It's on cable like a couple times in year.

Leo Laporte (01:38:44):
I, you know, sometimes I watch those movies and that was such an important movie to me as a kid. And I'm hesitant to watch 'em again, cuz they're a little corny, you know, when you see him now.

Caller 4 (01:38:55):
Oh 2001 holds up. Oh good. It really does. Oh good. Until you get to the psychedelic part, like

Leo Laporte (01:39:01):
When you, well that was always weird. <Laugh> that

Caller 4 (01:39:03):
Was always weird. And but

Leo Laporte (01:39:06):
At the very end, the

Caller 4 (01:39:07):
Film ages as the film ages and gets further in the further than the past, I find that part harder and harder to watch. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:39:15):
That's interesting. I okay. I I'll stop before the end then

Caller 4 (01:39:18):
I don't wanna take a bunch of your time cuz I don't have a question. The only other correction I have is I believe, I think Dr. Floyd was still on this, the space station. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:39:29):
You're right. He was on this way to the moon. You're right? Yeah. That was his first stop. Wasn't it?

Caller 4 (01:39:35):
Yeah, because

Leo Laporte (01:39:36):
Where the stewardist walks upside down in her in her friction slippers <laugh>

Caller 4 (01:39:40):
Yes. He walked into the phone booth while he was still on that curvy floor. That's

Leo Laporte (01:39:47):
Right on the inside.

Caller 4 (01:39:47):

Leo Laporte (01:39:48):
It was it a holiday end? It was, it was a, it was a current American hotel that he was in on the space station or whatever.

Leo Laporte (01:39:57):
I feel like

Caller 4 (01:39:57):
I can't remember what hotel it was.

Leo Laporte (01:39:59):
Let me let me play some actual history since you mention Apollo eight. Okay. Re and I don't know if you remember, but Carl Sagan said as soon as we see a picture of the earth from the moon, our whole attitude towards the earth will change because we are on this little small planet floating in the void and maybe we will stop waring against one another and start considering the planet as our home on the whole, the astronauts, it was Christmas Eve. You might remember.

Caller 4 (01:40:30):
Right? Right.

Leo Laporte (01:40:30):
The astronauts read this Christmas Eve message

... (01:40:36):
Where now approaching lunar sunrise. And for all the people back on earth, they prove Apollo eight have a message that we would like to send to you in the beginning, God, God created the heaven and the earth and the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters and God said left there be light. And there was like, and God saw the light that it was good and divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light day.

Leo Laporte (01:41:26):
Jim love and

... (01:41:26):
The he called night and the evening and the morning with a first day and God let there Bement in the midst of the water and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firm and divided the waters, which were under the, the waters, which were above. And it was so, and God called the firm and the, and the 14th was the second day.

Leo Laporte (01:41:56):
Quite amazing. I mean, there AF they're basically in the moon and looking back at the earth and God

... (01:42:03):
Dad left

Leo Laporte (01:42:03):
The water there Frankman third estimate together

... (01:42:06):
Into one plate and left the dry land. And it was so, and God crawl the dry and earth and the gathering together of the waters called east sea. And God saw that it was good. And from the crew of Apollo, we closed with good night, good luck, a Merry Christmas, and God bless all of you, all of you on the good earth.

Leo Laporte (01:42:35):
I will never forget that moment. I was. What about 12 years old?

Caller 4 (01:42:40):
I'm I wasn't I was only six.

Leo Laporte (01:42:43):
Yeah. Christmas Eve, 1968. Unbelievable.

Caller 4 (01:42:47):
Really aware of it at that point, but yeah, so many times they repeat that and it's always kind of amazing. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:42:54):
Just, you know, and unfortunately <laugh> Carl Sagan was a little bit wrong. We <laugh>, didn't really kind of get the message that we're all won on this big blue marble. But maybe someday.

Caller 4 (01:43:09):
Yeah. And we shouldn't and we won't have wars anymore, I suppose, I suppose there's hope yet.

Leo Laporte (01:43:14):
Of course there is. You know, I think that it's just, we just have to remember that, you know, here we are in that pale blue dot and and I could play the Carls egg and quote too for that matter, but I won't I've I've already but he said essentially you know, we gotta remember here we are all together on this pale blue dot that we call the earth. I think that picture that everybody has seen was actually not from Apollo eight, but from Voyager some years later. Oh really? Yeah. But we'll, you know, that is the picture. If it was the, I remember vividly of course the whole earth catalog had that picture on the front of it. And Sagan wrote a book called peril, blue dot based on that image he said, look again at that dot that's here, that's home. That's us on it. Everyone, you love everyone, you know, everyone you ever heard of every human being, whoever was lived out their lives, it's kind of hard to believe. Isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I thank you for correcting me. Yeah. Dr. Floyd was in the, was in the holiday Inn, not on the moon.

Caller 4 (01:44:24):
<Laugh> gentle correction

Leo Laporte (01:44:26):
Correction, but you remember that video phone booth, right? <Laugh> yeah. That was, that was the future in 1968.

Caller 4 (01:44:34):
Well, I, I just thought of something you could play to complete the 2001. Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:44:41):

Caller 4 (01:44:42):
If you could find you have your me music person find the blue Dan.

Leo Laporte (01:44:46):
Oh yeah, sure. That was the music of course, that they played at the very beginning of the movie, a, a beautiful waltz. As you watched these giant spaceships moving silently gracefully slowly through the atmosphere.

Caller 4 (01:45:01):
Yeah. Most of that was being played while the, the, the

Leo Laporte (01:45:06):
The apes through shuttle, the shuttle was docking. That's right. Docking

Caller 4 (01:45:09):
With the ring space station

Leo Laporte (01:45:12):
That, you know what, now you make me wanna see the movie all over again. Thank you for reminding me. I and it's and you say, you can see it everywhere, but remember it was in Cinemascope. It was like super wide as I remember. So I'm gonna have to find, I'm gonna find a big wide screen and somebody playing it back in 4k, cuz that's the way it deserves to be seen. Hey, I, I appreciate it's great to talk to you, Mike. Leo Laport, the tech guy. Why? Hey, Hey, how are you today? Leo Laport here, the tech guy. It's time. Once again to talk high tech, eighty eight eighty eight, ask Leo the phone number eight eighty eight, eight two seven five five three six, toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada. If you've gotta comment a question, a suggestion. You wanna correct me about my <laugh> my memories of 1968. You could do that too. 88, 88. Ask Leo website where we put links to all the things we talk about. Tech guy tech I So please give me a jingle or not Jim on the line. Wait a minute. Didn't I just talk to Jim from San Clemente. No, I talked to the other, Jim. Hi, Jim.

Caller 5 (01:46:24):
Clearly there.

Leo Laporte (01:46:25):
Yes. It's Jim too. Hello, Jim. Hey, I talked to Jim from Hollywood. You're Jim from San Clemente.

Caller 5 (01:46:31):
I am good to talk to you. I'm sorry. I'm not doing some yard work while on hold.

Leo Laporte (01:46:34):
Are you raking? What are you doing?

Caller 5 (01:46:37):
Ah, you know, weed clipping. No.

Leo Laporte (01:46:38):
Oh, okay. Sounds like you might be digging a grave to be honest with you. So <laugh> yard work can mean many things to many people, so <laugh> so what's up long,

Caller 5 (01:46:49):
Long, long time listener. But first time caller, I was listening yesterday and you were looking to do

Leo Laporte (01:46:53):
Blood. I, I appreciate that. Thank you.

Caller 5 (01:46:57):
So I'm compared to all your other listeners, I'm a little bit behind everybody. My wife kind of controls my computer light. So my question is I don't take a lot of photographs with my iPhone eight.

Leo Laporte (01:47:12):

Caller 5 (01:47:12):
When I used to it would go right over the cloud and go right into my, at the time desktop and now laptop.

Leo Laporte (01:47:18):
Yeah. Yeah.

Caller 5 (01:47:19):
And so a few upper two or three updates later, it stopped. Right. But I'm even paying, I'm paying apple a bucket month for storage.

Leo Laporte (01:47:27):

Caller 5 (01:47:28):
So is it something real stupid? So no,

Leo Laporte (01:47:30):
No, no. Unless you've run out of storage, it's just a setting. It's in setting. Yeah. So the trick,

Caller 5 (01:47:38):
My, my Knowit all wife doesn't know how to do it. So

Leo Laporte (01:47:41):
<Laugh> so you called your Knowit all radio host. That's good. Yeah. So it's, it's called iCloud photos is what you want. And there, there are a number of different settings associated with this. So now on your iPhone eight, you're probably not running iOS 15. You're probably running an older iOS. So I'm not sure exactly how to describe it for the older version of iOS. But if you go in the photos settings, you'll have to dig around. Cuz I can't give you a direct link, cuz I'm still on. I I'm on iOS 15. What version of iOS are you on? Do you know off the top of your head? Probably.

Caller 5 (01:48:20):
Oh no. Just gonna ask you, do I go the settings on my,

Leo Laporte (01:48:24):
On your

Caller 5 (01:48:24):
Phonebook or my phone

Leo Laporte (01:48:25):
On your phone and you'll go into the photos and you'll see there's some different settings and photos for how storage is the very first setting, at least on iOS 15. And I suspect it's similar on the older iOS is iCloud photos and you'll see the text says automatically upload and safely store all your photos and videos and iCloud. Oh. So you can browse, search and share from any of your devices. So that's the most important switch. Turn that on. You get to decide in the next box. And I, again, it might be different on iOS, whatever the version you're using, iOS 10 or whatever. But you'll, there's a choice between keeping all the original photos in your phone, or once you're uploading it to the cloud, just, just keep thumbnails of those photos, which saves you space. And I bet you on an older iPhone, you're kind of running outta space. So that might be a good thing to do is turn on optimized phone storage. That way you,

Caller 5 (01:49:28):
Yeah, it's it's checked.

Leo Laporte (01:49:30):
Okay. And is iCloud photos turned on?

Caller 5 (01:49:33):
Icloud photos is turned on. Everything needs

Leo Laporte (01:49:35):
To be turned on. So then that's this good news. That means you are currently uploading it next step to make sure you are, is to log in on your computer, to and just look, there's a photos icon there and just make sure that the latest photos on your phone are there. If they are, then it's just a question of telling your computer, <laugh> now doing the same kind of thing in reverse. Ah, yes. Keep all of those photos that are in the cloud. Keep them on my computer as well.

Caller 5 (01:50:04):
So you think maybe an update messed that up?

Leo Laporte (01:50:07):
Yeah. It's easy. Yeah. This is not unusual. The updates maybe changed some settings or this was something apple added after the iPhone eight came out. So it might well be that, you know, it sounds like your phone set up properly, so yeah. I would look in your desktop to make sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Caller 5 (01:50:22):
The photos work. Great. So

Leo Laporte (01:50:23):
It's a three step process. One is your pictures from the phone are getting uploaded. We just verified that they are step two is to make sure go to the website that you've got them. Maybe you ran outta room, so it wouldn't be uploading anymore. You know, if you've got enough free space, it should be uploading them. And then step three is to look on your computer to make sure that it's downloading.

Caller 5 (01:50:40):
Yeah. I, I mean, I'll take four pictures a month. My 23 year old drive. It's a hundred a day. Oh yeah. Makes

Leo Laporte (01:50:46):
Sense. Yeah. Why you you're a laggard here for a month. Come on, man. You gotta get going. They're cheap. They're free. You can have them

Caller 5 (01:50:53):
Free. Last question before. Yes. it's been going on. I, I listened to you. I backed up. I'm on yay. What you gonna call it? I, oh my gosh. What's the back call

Leo Laporte (01:51:06):
Right? One. Oh, the old, the old ad sponsored. I drive

Caller 5 (01:51:09):
The old sponsored I drive.

Leo Laporte (01:51:10):
I drive. Yeah.

Caller 5 (01:51:11):
Yeah. 20 years ago. 15 years ago we had a external hard drive and then we had, that's fine. Hundreds, maybe thousands of pictures. Yeah. Now it's trapped in there. It's consider in a closet.

Leo Laporte (01:51:23):
Oh, and you want 'em now? Sure.

Caller 5 (01:51:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, no. We tried years ago and a guy tried to get in there. He goes. Nope, can't do it. So is it, has the technology gotten better where I could take it to somebody?

Leo Laporte (01:51:34):
Yeah. I mean, first of all you did. So you, so you have, you were storing him, you were backing up to an external drive. You put it in the closet. Nothing else has happened since then, right? Correct. Okay. Drives do age, but that isn't long enough for the drive to be completely broken. It either the guy who was doing it lacked the expertise. Yeah. Or, you know, just bring it to another guy. That's unless the guy who original guy screwed it up, there are a couple things that can happen. There's something when hard drives sit around for a while, the old spinning ones, there's something happens called stiction. The head of the drive starts to adhere to the platter of the drive. And there is a solution for that. This guy may not have known. You take a screwdriver and you whack the drive real hard. <Laugh> I'm not kidding. You think I'm joking? I'm not kidding. I kinda

Caller 5 (01:52:27):

Leo Laporte (01:52:27):
A young guy might not know about that, cuz it doesn't happen anymore. But but somebody, my vintage will say, oh yeah, it's a, you just got a little percussive maintenance and it is gonna spin. So he is gotta

Caller 5 (01:52:40):

Leo Laporte (01:52:40):
Yeah, exactly. It's in the mail. Military manuals, percussive maintenance. So that's or there may be, may be that they were, they stored on a Mac or a PC

Caller 5 (01:52:54):
PC at the time.

Leo Laporte (01:52:55):
Okay. So usually now sometimes on a Mac because it uses a, you know, the Mac file system, you bring into a guy who put, tries it on. Windows says, I can't see nothing here because he's using windows. But if it was stored on windows, geez, unless this guy is a Mac only guy, which is unlikely he should have been able to see him, but, and yes, there's software out there. I don't think we've made massive progress. Nothing that this guy didn't have access to. But you know, maybe this guy didn't know everything. I would try another guy. All, all you really need. You could almost do it yourself. You're not you. You don't wanna understand. And you're probably right. Not to, but you could go out for 40 bucks. This guy should have it buy a little thing. You take any hard drive.

Leo Laporte (01:53:36):
You take it out of the K now is it's a USB drive. So one thing he wants to do and this guy probably didn't do it is take it out of the USB enclosure. So you get the bear hard drive the way it looks when it's in the machine with the circuit board on top of stuff that eliminates the problem with anything going wrong on USB. Look at that drive. And then you get a $49 device that lets you plug it into a computer or you have a tower case and you put it in there. If he couldn't read it, I'll be shocked. I think this guy just wasn't an expert.

Caller 5 (01:54:04):
Yeah. This is a, this is a long time ago. I think there's a lot of more sharper people out there. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:54:09):
It's probably, you know, this is, this has always been a problem. If you're really good at technology, you're getting a, a six figure job at a company like Google. You're not, you're not sitting under shade, tree fixing people's computers. So what you, what you hope to find is some guy who really knows his stuff and he is just doing it for fun. Maybe he's retired. Maybe he just likes fixing people's computers, but you, you, you need a guy. The problem is somebody with those skills is very valuable. Right? <laugh> so yeah, if he's not young, then you have a better shot at <laugh> cuz he he's not taking a job down there in Silicon valley. I think you can get it back. I hope you can. That that's really valuable. You don't wanna lose it.

Caller 5 (01:54:48):
I agree. Yep. Thank you very much. Appreciate

Leo Laporte (01:54:50):
It. My pleasure. Thanks for listening. Good luck with that grave or what, whatever you're digging up. <Laugh> have a, have a great day. Take care. Leo Laport think tech guy, eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number. Gary's on the line from Los Angeles. Hello Gary.

Caller 6 (01:55:10):
Hello Leo. How are you doing?

Leo Laporte (01:55:12):
I am very well. Thank you for asking how are you? Well

Caller 6 (01:55:16):
Fine. Good, fine. Good. I had a question about vintage max and PC.

Leo Laporte (01:55:22):

Caller 6 (01:55:23):
It turns out that for the lucky few who still have held on to their early max. Yes. There's a big payday at the end of the day.

Leo Laporte (01:55:34):

Caller 6 (01:55:36):
Well, you know, if you are an owner of a Lisa one. Oh, well

Leo Laporte (01:55:41):

Caller 6 (01:55:41):
Or a an early one of the, the Mac, what is it? The apple one.

Leo Laporte (01:55:46):
Oh yeah, that wasn't a Mac, but if you have an apple one, you bet hundreds of thousands of dollars in your future,

Caller 6 (01:55:52):
Right? Yeah. So what I was wondering,

Leo Laporte (01:55:54):
That's the funny thing about computers. They're very expensive when you buy 'em they almost immediately drop in value to nothing after 10, 15 years. And then 50 years later, suddenly there was something again.

Caller 6 (01:56:07):
Yes. So what, what I was wondering from you is what is the value of, or what kind of computers, if you wanted to start collecting these ah, vintage feature? Well, first

Leo Laporte (01:56:21):
Of all, you should be under 20 <laugh> because they're not gonna be valuable in your lifetime unless you are right. I mean, yes, those leases came out. When did the lease come out? 19 78, 79. Right. So 45 years ago and when they came out, they were expensive. They were $10,000. I don't know how much a Ali would go for today on eBay, probably not $10,000. And remember $10,000 in 1978 money or 1980 money is a lot more than $10,000 in 2020 money. So you gotta figure that too. Let me just look up eBay, Lisa computers, just to see if it were working. I think there'd be somebody who'd want that cuz it, that was a computer there's

Caller 6 (01:57:10):
Right. But 

Leo Laporte (01:57:11):
Here's one for $500. No bids <laugh> so, okay, so now, but, but a, you know, there is a big auction going on right now for the very first apple computer, which was a wire wrapped computer that Steve jobs brought around to the bite shop in Cupertino and said, Hey, if <laugh>, if, if we could give you these to assemble for hobbyists, would you buy 'em? And that is the original apple. And that is currently being auctioned. And I think the current price around $300,000. So there's some money, but there's only one of those in the whole wide world.

Caller 6 (01:57:50):
Right. But what I was wondering is let's say on the PC side, would a, for example, a PC junior or no early IBM.

Leo Laporte (01:58:00):
No. So here's the other side of that equation. And you know, this from things like baseball carts, right. If millions were made, even if it's 50 years old, if one exists, okay, now we're talking. And so that's why that original apple, we don't even call it the apple one, the apple a was so valuable and, and people have been selling their apple ones for, in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. But you know that's because there's so few of them around, I think there's eight, something like that, apple one's around, right. Originally sold for $666 <laugh> cuz Steve jobs had a puckish sense of humor. Now at auction, I think it's current price. It's not been auctioned off yet, but I think it's well over 300,000. So, but I wouldn't go out and say, oh, let's get some PC juniors. Somebody's gonna want that. They made millions of them. Right. Got it. I have

Caller 6 (01:58:56):
Also trash millions of them.

Leo Laporte (01:58:58):
Yes, that's right. For good reason. They were terrible computers <laugh> so this is always, you know, I mean, remember the beanie baby craze and you know, there were people I bet, you know, some who bought beanie babies and never took 'em out of the box, you know, and said, someday, these are gonna be worth something they're still waiting.

Caller 6 (01:59:16):

Leo Laporte (01:59:16):
They're still waiting. I think it's very much connected with how many were made and Mo and any computer of the modern era. And I include the PC, the original IBM PC from 1981, the PC junior from a couple of years later, there were so many made of them that there's, there's no rarity. If you found a HAIs Wagner baseball card, one of five, oh, then you got something. But I don't think a PC junior is worth much.

Caller 6 (01:59:39):
Yeah. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:59:40):
Sorry. Bad news. Do you have any of these?

Caller 6 (01:59:44):
You know, no, I don't, but I have friends of mine who do have some of these computers, but you know, the, they don't have the, the very first version of, yeah. They may have like a fourth or fifth version

Leo Laporte (02:00:01):
Of, we used to, I used to have a very large studio, a 10,000 square foot studio with 10,000 square feet in the basement. We had a huge studio. And so as a result, I started collecting these things. I had Elise, I had a original Commodor. I had the Osborne, I had something that is kind of worth some money now, which was the 20th anniversary Macintosh some really, you know, classic computers

Caller 6 (02:00:24):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative>

Leo Laporte (02:00:26):
In aggregate not worth what we had paid for. Wow. It was fun to have 'em it was cool. People brought me these old computers. So some of 'em I got for free, but in aggregate, not, you know, we, I think we ended up giving away most of it. I don't think we, we didn't bother putting it up for auction or anything like that. Collecting, collecting this stuff, unfortunately is so it's, there's so many of them that I don't think there's that much value to it. The first Lisa was January, 1983, one. That's funny. Cuz my Mac came out one year later. I, I assume the Lisa was much older than the Mac, but no, I guess not. It was only a year older. I do remember pressing my nose against the glass at the computer store in San Jose, looking at that Lisa for $10,000 thinking, oh man, I wish I could afford that. Fortunately, a year later I could afford a Macintosh cuz that was only 2,500 bucks. What would that first Mac be worth today? Couple hundred bucks at most unfortunately.

Caller 6 (02:01:25):

Leo Laporte (02:01:26):
Well. Oh well it was a good idea. It's you know what? Probably be better off buying Bitcoin. No, no, no. I'm just co I'm just joking. Just, just teasing ya <laugh> you know know yeah, maybe just, you know, I don't know what I, I think it's the, the word is speculative, right? Whether it's Bitcoin or old computers or beanie babies it's speculative. And what that means is you're making a guess a speculation that this thing, which is worth $1 today is someday gonna be worth $10. It rarely pans out, I guess <laugh> I guess that's the answer, Leo, LePort the tech guy more of your calls coming up right after this, we have this, you know, it's very nostalgic. There's a lot of nostalgic value to it, but yeah. Nostalgia only gets you so far. Oh, I have a slide. I have a number of slide rules. In fact you can't see it. I wish you could. I have a, somebody sent me this. This is actually a cool

Leo Laporte (02:02:51):
Memento. See if I can get it off the wall. Unfortunately we've only,

Leo Laporte (02:03:08):
We've only put

Leo Laporte (02:03:09):
It <laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:03:11):
We've only put it somewhere. I can't really get to it. And you can't see it. Look

Leo Laporte (02:03:15):
At that.

Leo Laporte (02:03:22):
No, it's not a shuffle board.

Leo Laporte (02:03:24):

Leo Laporte (02:03:28):
Oh no rod, Laura. You know that I know. Yes, no Rodrick, no space today. Kids. Do you remember how a slide rule works? That's what this is for, by the way, this is for the classroom where your teacher can demonstrate how a slide rule works this in kids before calculators and after Abacus, somewhere between Abacus and calculators, this little baby, which is based on this principle, the mathematical principle that if you add the log Aari of numbers, it's the same thing as multiplying those numbers. So what's on here, it's upside down is a logarithmic scale. And if I wanted to multiply two numbers, you know, something like this is additive, right? So I, I I put the cursor, let's see, put the cursor on two and then I forgot how to use it. And then what do I do? I put the, the 

Leo Laporte (02:04:36):
Oh, I forgot how to use it. No, I put the, put the four at the origin, right? And then put the cursor on two and it should be eight. No, I forgot how to use it. <Laugh> it's only been 40 years, 50 years, 50 Leo. Leport the tech guy skating and bouncing eighty eight eighty eight ask lay on the phone number during the break and the chat room had to watch me do this. I was trying to remember how to use this. This is a slide rule in the days before pocket calculators, 50 years ago, we would use these to do multiplication and division a crazy idea kind of somewhere in between the Abacus and the calculator. <Laugh> what's the slide rule. I, I was thinking about this because I saw the other day that there are still people who make calculator games teams.

Leo Laporte (02:05:38):
Now, if you, our kids, when they were in high school, we had to go out and get 'em a ti 81 graphing calculator, right. That was, that was, you know, like buying a school book, you had to buy this calculator, man. I bought a few of them cuz they kept losing them. And and they, you know, this was something they could do in the math class and then they could take it if they wanted to, they could they could take tests with it because it was so limited. You know, it was designed specifically in fact, so that you could you could bring it into the test and not, and not you know, not cheat, didn't have internet access <laugh> you couldn't Google anything you, but people still have them. There are quite a few of them. They're not expensive.

Leo Laporte (02:06:19):
They have no collectors value whatsoever. But these graphing calculators are very popular. Still apparently to make games, a website called polygon, which is a gaming website had an article this week make meet the developers, still making games for your calculator. A look at the thriving community, developing games. You can play in class. What? And of course you've gone a little way behind the beyond the T 81, Texas instrument, 81. They've other companies like Casio and sharp and HP all make even more powerful calculators. And a lot of these games are really designed for those. But it's funny because it's a cat and mouse game because Texas instruments, which makes the ti actually tries to, to take these down. They don't want anybody putting games on their calculators because then it causes problems when it, when it's test time and their people that figure, if you're putting games on there, you're jail breaking.

Leo Laporte (02:07:21):
'Em Maybe you're putting answers on there too, which is hysterical. They are trying to block these game developers, but they're out there. What are the games silly? They're not, you know, you could play PAC Pacman. <Laugh> popular game apparently for the T 84 plus CE is called Bangor legend of the hell spawn, which I think maybe over exaggerates the playability <laugh> of the game is not house bond. Yeah. There's just little red icons marching around on the screen. But I guess, you know, it's kind of cool. It's kind of fun for the people who design these games. It's a real challenge. They have to really kind of cuz you know, there are no manuals to tell you how to do this. They have to figure it all out. Kind of cool. Can't do any, but this is the beauty of a slide rule. You can't no games available. You no, you can't even turn it upside down and make it spell bad words Jack on the line. Riverside, California. Jack's next? Hey Jack Leola port, the tech guy can't

Caller 7 (02:08:25):
Even turn it upside down.

Leo Laporte (02:08:26):
Oh, turn down your radio. You're gonna get very confused. I'm well, how are you?

Caller 7 (02:08:31):
I'm okay. Got it. Question on an HP printer.

Leo Laporte (02:08:34):
Yes sir.

Caller 7 (02:08:36):
HP told me that I had too many IP addresses. They said I had nine <laugh> all I asked the guy was, how do I, how do I change my setup? What does

Leo Laporte (02:08:50):
That even mean? You have too many IP. It's a printer for crying out loud.

Caller 7 (02:08:55):
And he went into my system log and said, oh you got too many, too many IP addresses. Yeah. I got they wanna remove the link from the IP addresses. No,

Leo Laporte (02:09:07):
No stop. Stop

Caller 7 (02:09:08):
From the survey.

Leo Laporte (02:09:09):
What a nut from the server. Okay. Let me ask you a little bit about your setup. So you're on the internet, obviously when you're on the internet, your internet service provider gives you one and only one IP address. Cause it's like a phone number. You, you know, there can't be duplicates, but in order to have multiple devices in your home network, you use a box called a router. Do you have a router?

Caller 7 (02:09:31):
Yes, sir.

Leo Laporte (02:09:32):
And that what that router does is it takes your one and only one IP address. And then assigns local only IP addresses. They you'll know they're local cuz they begin with 1 92, 1 68 or 10 zero. Those are not routable. They don't go out on the internet. They're only visible locally. Now their same rules apply though. Every device in your house has to have one and only one of these IP addresses. If, if it's not that it can't have more than one, but it can't share an IP address with another device. Because then the router would say, well, I don't know where to send this data. There's two devices with the same IP address. But you let the router choose IP addresses. Right? You don't assign IP addresses manually or do

Caller 7 (02:10:18):
You what eight? He said. And he said I had too many. 

Leo Laporte (02:10:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what they said, but it doesn't sound like you're the kind of guy that's going into the printer saying, well, your address is gonna be 1 92, 1 68, 1 43. You don't do that. Do you?

Caller 7 (02:10:33):
I don't think so.

Leo Laporte (02:10:34):
No, you, you don't do that. You let the router decide and the router is designed and very carefully. So to only assign one IP address to each device, including your printer. So when you set up your printer, no matter what kind of printer, if it's an internet connected printer, you go in the settings and you have a wifi setup page. Right? Have you done this? Do you remember doing this? And you say, yes, I do look for wi my wifi device. It finds the name of your device. You know, the mighty Quinn, the Eskimo or whatever you call it, you say, yeah, that's it. And it says, well, what's the password. And you enter in the password and that's all you do. Because at that point, the printer goes to the router and says, what's my IP address? And the router says, okay, you get a very special one. You're the only one in the house that is this address. You don't have nine IP addresses. I don't know what this guy is talking about. That's

Caller 7 (02:11:31):
Well, I understand. And instead I, I need to remove the gateways from my server,

Leo Laporte (02:11:36):
This guy.

Caller 7 (02:11:37):
And he was,

Leo Laporte (02:11:38):
Is literally making things up now.

Caller 7 (02:11:41):
<Laugh> I thought so then again, he wanted to charge me 300. Oh

Leo Laporte (02:11:46):
Yeah. You gotta remove the, how did you get this guy's number?

Caller 7 (02:11:50):
I called HP and this the guy I got

Leo Laporte (02:11:54):
You need. I need to <laugh>. Oh no. Yeah. Forget it. Okay, exactly. Yeah. Forget it. And it is probably not. What is your, what is your printer saying when it won't print? Does it give you an error message?

Caller 7 (02:12:08):
No, no. It prints. All I was trying to do is when I scan something, it goes to photos and I wanted to go to D <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (02:12:16):
Oh my God. The guy you talked to was a first class moron. So here's how you change that. That's in, that's all done in software. It's in. So when you scan you and then this is gonna vary for everybody who different software, but this there's a scanner driver or there's a scanner program. I think HP gives you a program in the settings of the program. You have all sorts of settings. What dots per inch you scan at? Is it black and white? Is it color? All of that stuff. And one of the settings is where do you want me to put it? You tell it which folder it goes to. I, for instance, always have it go to the desktop because when I scan something, I wanna find it immediately and then move it. So that's in the settings of your printer. Okay. It's very simple. <Laugh> Mac or PC,

Caller 7 (02:13:07):

Leo Laporte (02:13:08):
PC. So it's gonna really vary. It may be in the PC settings. Let me just let me just see what, where it shows up for me. If I look under printers and scanners in the control panel, I believe it's gonna show up cuz each printer has its own settings. So go into the HP printer settings and it, you may you'll, there'll be a, there'll be scanner setting separately. And one of the things, every scanner has, this is where do I put the scan? And it's default is photos, but that's you don't want it there. You want it somewhere else, right?

Caller 7 (02:13:46):
Correct. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:13:47):
So there we have a chat rooms come up with a link to the HP documentation. I can't believe you called HP. And this guy was such an idiot that he said, well, you have nine, nine IP addresses. That's the problem, buddy? No, there's very simple change. Default, save location for scan document. We're gonna put that in the show. Notes. Tech guy, labs dot coms. Easy. What a, what a numb skull. I can't believe. Oh, you've got to remove the gateway. You told him. All I wanna do is change where the thing goes,

Caller 7 (02:14:23):
That's it?

Leo Laporte (02:14:24):
Oh my God. Well, never, ever, ever call that number again that guy's caught. Could break your whole system. It sounded like, you know, I mean literally, I mean, he was telling you to do things that could take you offline and that wasn't the problem,

Caller 7 (02:14:41):
But it was only $300 an hour.

Leo Laporte (02:14:42):
Yeah. Good. I'm hope you didn't give him any money.

Caller 7 (02:14:45):
<Laugh> no, I don't.

Leo Laporte (02:14:46):
That that advice was negative amount. He should pay you to give you that advice. So it's, it's really simple. It, it may be that this HP software doesn't have a way to do that. I would be shocked, but you've gotta just look around in the settings for your scanner and see how it decides where to put stuff. And every scanner I've ever used has a setting where you say here's where it goes. Why the guy went down that road of nine IP addresses and you need to remove your gateway. That's beyond me. And he did get onto your computer, huh?

Caller 7 (02:15:26):
Yes he did. He was in system properties and saying, oh, we gotta, we gotta do this. We gotta do this.

Leo Laporte (02:15:30):
It scares me a little bit. So where did, how did you get the number?

Caller 7 (02:15:34):
I just Googled HP printer. Oh, oh. Called some call center. Oh, called me back. Oh, logs into my

Leo Laporte (02:15:41):
System. Okay. So here's, here's some risk here. If you Google HP printer and you don't get, but you get some other site that says here's the official HP support number. It may not be. It may be. And if this act, this sounds like it, some clown in India, who's really just trying to get into your system. So be very, very careful about Googling phone numbers, go to first and then get the number from there. So I want, I would very much encourage you to check, you know, where that number came from. And if it wasn't, you know, you may have got somebody who does not work for HP. Sounds like it. Cuz that's completely idiotic nonsense. He was spouting and often scammers, spout nonsense and say, well, I need to get into your computer. And that's where the that's where your heartaches begin. So if he, if he had access to your computer, God knows what he did in there.

Caller 7 (02:16:44):
And he put a, he put a note on my computer and just said, oh, this is what you gotta do. You've got too many. I remove links from IP, remove gateway from service.

Leo Laporte (02:16:54):
Yeah. Yeah. That had nothing to do with anything that sound that's such gibberish

Caller 7 (02:16:58):
One hour, 2 99, 99.

Leo Laporte (02:17:00):
Yeah. Let's hope that that's all that deal was. Cuz by the way, if you had done what he said, you would've needed him because you would've completely screwed yourself up. And, and maybe that was the, the game, right? The game was, oh, let's let's get this guy a $300 support contract. What he was telling you was literally nonsense had nothing to do with the problem. So, so for future reference, never, ever Google for support numbers always go to the site, in the case of HP, go to the company site and go to the support page. And that's where you get the number from. If you Google it, what bad guys do is they go out there and they Google bomb and they make sure that when you search for HP support, you get a phony number. And I'm very concerned that that's might be what happened to you. Let's hope nothing bad happened. And he just gave you bad advice because he was trying to get you to give him 300 bucks. Cause had you done what he said you would've needed him. You would've needed him.

Caller 7 (02:18:05):
Glad I unplugged after I got up.

Leo Laporte (02:18:07):
Yeah. Yeah. Only. So go to and, and get that customer support number. That's the number. In fact, just as a curiosity, I would call and ask them the same question. I bet you get a very different answer

Leo Laporte (02:18:21):
Anyway. Thank you. I hope it all works out. Thank you. Wow. Thank you for letting me be your tech guy again. Leo LaPorte, the tech guy, thanks to professor Laura, the musical director, playing those great tunes. Cheering me up every break. Thanks to Kim Schaffer, our phone angel, doing a great job, getting all first time callers today. I love that. Most of all. Thanks to all of you who listen. All of you who call all you try and can't get in. Couldn't do it without you. I really appreciate your support. Thank you. It's great to be the or tech guy. I spent a little more time with Jack and now I'm concerned cuz I w the, the answer. So Jack, you may remember our previous call has an HP printer. He didn't want it. When he scanned on the printer, he didn't want it saved to his photos directory. He wanted it save to a different folder.

Leo Laporte (02:19:19):
Now that's actually something you could do in the settings. For the HP scanner, simple, he called now, this is the problem I said, where'd you get that number? He said from HP. I said, okay. I, after, during the break I dug a little deeper. I said, well, how'd you get that number? I Googled it. HP support. All right, this is a mistake. And everybody should know, this is why I'm repeating it. Do not Google for support numbers because bad guys play a game with Google to get their phone numbers in there. And to have them show up. When you Google, you go to, instead, you go to the manufacturer's website, In this case, you click the support tab and you go there and you get the number that they offer. They have chat, they have self-help. They have an 800 number for support that's or you look in your manual that came with the PR, but you don't look on the internet because there's a real risk.

Leo Laporte (02:20:09):
When you Google something that you're gonna find something malicious. The fact that he got such a nonsense answer, I mean, literally a nonsense answer to his very simple question. Worries me. What worries me even more is that the next step was the guy said, let me have access to your computer. He gave it to him. And the guy started messing around, came up with this nonsense answer. You have nine IP addresses. You need to delete the gateway. That is a dangerous thing. And it's my hope cuz they charged you $300 an hour, a minute, no an hour might as well be a minute charge you $300 an hour for support. My hope is what the scam was. Oh, we're gonna mess up this guy's computer real bad. If you had deleted that gateway, you would've been knocked offline. You would've said, oh no, you would've called them and said help me.

Leo Laporte (02:20:52):
I here's 300 bucks. I'm hoping that was the scam. If so you dodged a bullet, you didn't do what they said. Thank you. You called me. It's in the settings. Do not delete your gateway. You do not have nine IP addresses on your computer or in your printer. That's nuts. It's nuts. And it's very suspicious. <Laugh> such a weird answer that it makes me think this was a scam and, and, and really important. Do not give people access to your computer unless you are absolutely 100% sure that that's who you talking to. And by that you, the way you do that is you go to You look for the number on the website. You make sure that's the HP website. You look at the top of the page is at HP. Yes, it's HP. You write that number down you call and, and boy be very, very careful when you Google phone number for support. Cuz that ain't it. Whew, scary. Eric San Antonio, Texas. Hi Eric, Leo Laport. The tech guy.

Caller 8 (02:21:53):
Hey Leo. Long time fan. I've been watching it since I was 11 <laugh> TV days.

Leo Laporte (02:21:58):
Wow. And how old are you now?

Caller 8 (02:22:01):
34. Oh my

Leo Laporte (02:22:01):

Caller 8 (02:22:02):
<Laugh> oh my God. It's been a while. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:22:05):
Thank you. Thank you. I'm so grateful. Thank

Caller 8 (02:22:09):
You. So I, I had a question about network storage solutions apple used to have the time capsule. I'm sure you're aware. Yep.

Leo Laporte (02:22:19):
Stop selling it. Yep.

Caller 8 (02:22:20):
Long, you know, long discontinued. I, I really don't know what other solutions or alternatives are out there that are similar to it that play friendly with max? We have a few at the house here. My wife's a photographer, so she has a bunch of raw photos in, in backups. But she has to plug in every time. So I'm trying to find something that's wireless.

Leo Laporte (02:22:43):
Okay. Wireless is a little less desirable. I mean, it will be wireless, but it has to be on your router just like the time capsule. Okay. So you can use wifi, but at some point you want this thing to be plugged into the back of a router.

Caller 8 (02:23:01):

Leo Laporte (02:23:01):
Is that okay? Can you do that? Yeah. Yeah. Your you rather most routers have a few extra ethernet ports just for this. And this's how the time capsule worked. I mean, it was a router with a built in hard drive, but ultimately that was exactly what it did now, once it's, once you've got it connected your router it's on the wifi and you can absolutely use it via wifi. What you want. It sounds like is something called network attached storage. There are cheap solutions, you know, Western digital and others sell kind of not so good solutions. I, this is not gonna be a cheap solution because you need to buy an enclosure that can support at least two drives, probably more for redundancy. That way. If a drive fails, you don't lose your data, you know, a single drive. Right, right. And then, so you buy the enclosure and then you have to buy the drives.

Leo Laporte (02:23:50):
You're gonna be spending some, some money on this, but if you're a photographer, every photographer I know uses this. So it's an NAS is the technical term network attached storage. And that's all that means is it's a big old computer, mostly hard drives attached to your router. That's visible then on the network and can be seen from everywhere. You can back up from everywhere. People use it for other things. You can use it as a server. Some of them will let you, for instance, have a photo server. So you can duplicate Google photos or a iCloud photos on your own storage. You don't have to upload it to some third party. That's nice. The only company I recommend for NA is Sonology okay. S Y N O L O G Y. And they have a big range of stuff. I use their five drive enclosures and, and I said it so that if two, as many as two drives fail, I still don't lose data.

Caller 8 (02:24:43):

Leo Laporte (02:24:44):
And that way you're gonna get a lot of storage. You can put two terabyte drives in it. You can put 16 terabyte drives in. It depends how much you wanna spend.

Caller 8 (02:24:52):
Oh, perfect. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:24:53):
Yeah. You get a lot of storage. That thing is visible to every computer Mac or PC on your network or Linux. I use all three. It's visible to all three. Sonology has a broad range of other software, including email servers, backup servers. Photo has a very good photo solution note taking solution. They even go so far as to have kind of like a Google docs solution with word processor, spreadsheet presentation manager. In other words, you could do everything you could do do in the cloud, but it's on your cloud in your house.

Caller 8 (02:25:27):
Gotcha. Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:25:28):
Highly recommend the Sonology. When you go there, you you'll see there's everything from two drive to I don't know. The largest is like 30 drives is huge. <Laugh>, you know, figure out something in between. Obviously it's really depends how much money you wanna spend.

Caller 8 (02:25:41):
I dunno. Yeah. Yeah. I think she she's using a two terabyte drive right now, but you know, has to stay plugged in and

Leo Laporte (02:25:49):
Yeah. And if it fails, yikes. I, the way I've got it set up, I have a Sonology at home and a Sonology at work. They duplicate each other. So that gives me local backup plus offsite backup. If there's a fire here, I've got it at home. If there's a fire at home, I've got it here. It's, you know, photographers, especially. Yeah. You know, really need to protect their stuff. Oh

Caller 8 (02:26:11):

Leo Laporte (02:26:11):
Yeah. I think everybody does, you know, even family photos are precious, so yeah. I have no hesitation. I've been using Sonology for years. We use it here at work. We use their sec. We were talking about this yesterday on the show there's security cameras that you can use anything you can put on a hard drive, basically ology cells. And that includes security. So I think it's a good, a good company.

Caller 8 (02:26:32):
That sounds great. Is do you know if there's any issues with cuz we have iCloud photo library turned on? Yeah. She doesn't use that for her professional photos.

Leo Laporte (02:26:41):
No, it's too expensive. It's great for family, but yeah, it's expensive.

Caller 8 (02:26:45):
Is there any sort of compatibility issues by doing the NAS

Leo Laporte (02:26:50):
And iPad? Not at all. You could back up to both there's all sorts of things you can do. You know, our former sponsor iDrive has a Sonology app, so you can have cloud backup for your Sonology. There's all it is a whole world will open up for you. And I'm there are other companies that make these that are very well known, like QNAP. Sonology is the only one I recommend.

Caller 8 (02:27:15):
Thanks so much, Lee. I appreciate it.

Leo Laporte (02:27:16):
You're welcome. Thanks for joining us. Thanks to all of you. What it's not. Is it done? How could it be done? All right. Well, I'll have to come back next week and so will you, right. All right. <Laugh> I'm gonna count on that. All the things we talk about, I put links up on the show notes, tech guy,, along with the transcript and audio and, and video of the show. So you can download it. If you miss an episode tech guy This episode 1914, I am Leo port. I am honored and privileged to have been your tech guy, have a great geek weekly. Well, that's it for the tech guy show for today. Thank you so much for being here and don't forget twit T w I T it stands for this, including the podcasts for this show. We talk about windows on windows, weekly, Macintosh on Mac break, weekly iPads, iPhones, apple watches on iOS, today's security and security. Now, I mean, I can go on and on and on. And of course the big show every Sunday afternoon, this week in tech, you'll find it all at twit TV and I'll be back next week with another great tech guy show. Thanks for joining me. We'll see you next time.

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