The Tech Guy Episode 1904 Transcript

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Hi, this is Leo Laporte and this is my tech guy podcast. This show originally aired on the premier networks on Sunday, June 19th, Juneteenth 2022 father's day as well. This is episode 1904. Enjoy. The Tech Guy podcast is brought to you by Peloton. Right now is the perfect time to try out Peloton. The Peloton bike plus is now $500 less it's best price yet, including free delivery and setup. And there are more game changing prices available on the original Peloton bike and Peloton tread. Visit one peloton.com to learn more. And by Cisco Meraki with employees working in different locations, providing a unified work experience seemed as easy as hurting cats. How do we reign in so many moving parts? The Meraki cloud managed network. That's how learn how your organization can make hybrid work work, visit meraki.cisco.com/twit.

Leo Laporte (00:01:16):
Why? Hey, Hey, how are you today? Leo LaPorte here, the tech guy, time to talk computers, the internet, home theater, digital photography, smartphone, smart watches, all that jazz. Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo is the phone number. If you want to talk high tech with me, 8 8, 8 8 2 7 5 5 3 6. That's toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada, outside that area. You could still reach me, but it's gonna be a little trickier. You have to use Skype out or something like, you know, some sort of internet do Hickey to call in should still be free. 88, 88 ask Leo. Of course it had to happen. It had to happen. MEA has decided to have a digital clothing store where you could purchase outfits for your avatar in the all new brand new and shining exciting new metaverse. And these aren't just any outfits. These are designer outfits. They'll be available.

Leo Laporte (00:02:21):
<Laugh> this week, <laugh> the meta avatars store outfits from Balanga Prada, Tom brown fashion names known to one and all don't know how much it's gonna cost <laugh>. But if it's Balanga Prada and Tom brown, you know those red souls on the shoes, those aren't cheap. You know, they don't, you got some, some artisan has to paint those souls red by hand with a little teeny tiny brush. So that's gonna add some to your <laugh>, your meta avatars cost. It'll be an open marketplace. It's so funny how everything new, old is new. Again. you remember a thing called second life like 20 years ago and you'd have an avatar. I was prune faced spatula. I'm proud to say in second life they generated the names for you. Automatically. I think you probably could have changed it, but I was so tickled by the name Pune face spatula that I decided to stick with it.

Leo Laporte (00:03:29):
Pune face spatula was a boring lad where, you know, basic free pants, basic free t-shirt he had no expensive facial hair or, or piercings, but later on second life, you know, there, lots of people got in and I think some people made money. Well, not, not American dollars. They made Lindon bucks, but I think some people made Linden bucks. A lot of people made a lot of Linden bucks selling real estate. This was 20 years ago, kids real estate clothing outfits, including in the later days. And I think this is still the case. Some adult outfits say no more say no more all sorts of goods. In fact, second life was the new hotness 20 years ago at the turn of the century that businesses had stores there. Rock bands performed there. There were even a couple of countries that had consulates in second life. Yes, VR virtual consulates. Now that was the difference. You looked at that on a 2d screen, even though everything was 3d and you could walk around and turn around and stuff like that, but it was still on a screen now, Ooh. Now you can wear a big, heavy visor and do it. Ooh, wait. Not exactly now. I mean, it's actually, I ironically Facebook's environment, isn't quite as good as second lifes was 20 years ago.

Leo Laporte (00:05:11):
You will, you will be able to have your 3d avatar and all the meta properties, Facebook, Instagram, and messenger, as well as well. More expressions, more faces, more skin tones, more accessibility devices and soon clothing from Balanga. I just like saying that Balanga Prada and Tom brown, Tom brown, one of these things is not like the other <laugh> Tom brown sounds so pedestrian compared to Balenciaga and Prada. Tom brown, Tom brown, I think is a British designer. I, I wouldn't know, not Alton brown. <Laugh> he's a chef, Tom brown. There's too many Browns in England. That's the problem Verizon and at and T say, okay, okay. We don't want to crash any planes. We will delay 5g C band deployment for another year. They were gonna roll it out everywhere. July 5th, switching on some wireless towers, near airports. And the fear is some of these older airplanes.

Leo Laporte (00:06:23):
Well, actually many planes, even older ones, they have old altimeters, which are don't have any filters on them. So they are interfered with, by these three 3g, I'm sorry, 5g towers that aren't even anywhere near the frequency. They use, not even close meters away, but these things when they were designed, no one else was using that spectrum. So why put expensive 3 cent filters in these things when you could just, you know, get it all. But now of course, those towers interfere. We want 5g. We want the C band, which is the best 5g. For most people it's not the fastest, but it's the one most people can get. So, you know, remember there was this fight between the FAA and at and T and Verizon. And they're gonna wait a little longer, cuz you know, it's a bad look if you bring planes outta the sky, even if it's the, the airplane manufacturer's fault and the FAS fault, cuz they, they should never, you know, they, they knew this was coming years ago, first union in an apple store, it's happening, apple fought at tooth and nails.

Leo Laporte (00:07:34):
They did not want a union. They did not. They even brought their head of retail, Deidre O'Brien they, they would have a video and played in all the stores and you'd have to go as an employee watcher, say we're like family <laugh> to paraphrase Ronald Reagan. When they say we're like family, watch your wallet. We're like family. And it would just slow us down to have to deal with the union. We'll take care of you. Oh, oh, we'll give you $2 an hour. Raise 22 bucks an hour. That's good pay. Right? But let's point let's point out. These are the most profitable. The only retail establishment, more profitable per square foot than the apple stores in the whole wide world is Tiffany. It's a very profitable enterprise. And if they can do $22, now they could have done it a year ago. They could have done it two years ago.

Leo Laporte (00:08:28):
So really even the threat of a union was enough to get your raise. That's that kind of sends the wrong message. The employees voted it in in fact, two dozen other apple stores are interested in unionizing. There were 65 employees at the apple store in Towson, Maryland. They voted to be represented by the apple coalition of organized retail employees, the a C O R E ACOR, actually 33 voted against it. So that doesn't make sense. Oh, oh 65 voted four. I see. So the total is closer to a hundred. So 65 voted four and 33 against two to one. They'll be part of, they didn't wanna tell them this. <Laugh> they're they're in the apple coalition of organized retail, employers, employees, a division of the international. So innovation of machinists and aerospace workers. Okay. You know, you gotta have something so core. They're gonna call this the coalition of organized retail employees core is now in, at the apple store.

Leo Laporte (00:09:35):
Same thing happened at Starbucks. You know, I think it's probably the case that employees don't normally vote in a union unless they feel like they're getting a raw deal and that the union could do better. Right? Cuz it's not free. You gotta pay dues. If apple were giving them everything they thought they could get with a union, they probably would've lost maybe instead of a video next time Deidra and a $2 an hour raise, maybe find out what the employees wanted and try to give 'em that then they wouldn't vote in the union.

Leo Laporte (00:10:11):
A former Amazon engineer has being is, has been convicted. We talked about this a few years ago, the breach of capital one in 20 19, 1 of the biggest security breaches of the time in the us, a hundred million, 100 million capital, one customers, 6 million in Canada were <laugh> a hundred million in the us. 6 million in Canada were were downloaded and, and sent off to who knows where by page Thompson, a former Amazon software engineer page says she built this tool to scan Amazon web services, Amazon web service. She was an Amazon, Amazon web. So, but like many companies, capital one stored that data on an Amazon server. She found a vulnerability in the Amazon server downloaded the data. She says she was just testing. I was just testing it to see if it was secure. The jury said, yeah, I don't think so. And that's not ethical hacking. So she has now been convicted by the computer fraud and abuse act. She's a hacker. And we'll see, the sentence could be up to 20 years of prison time for wire fraud and up to five years for each charge of ly illegally accessing a protected computer sentencing in the fall. Wow. That could be a long time in the who's gal. Eighty eight, eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number

Leo Laporte (00:11:46):
Operator. She's my operator. Smooth

Leo Laporte (00:11:51):
Operator. Oh, there's another one. <Laugh> Kim Schaffer is our smooth operator. The unbreakable phone angel joins us to answer your calls. You have, that's a mighty big cup of Joe. You got in front of you. There it is. And it says, love you. Aw. Aw. Did someone special give you that? No. It's from your cupboard. <Laugh> it could have been the one from prison and it could have been the one from Clemson. I don't know. I a different mug every time I love our mugs because I don't know where they come from, but people send us mugs and stuff and yeah. There's one from Joliet prison. Joliet prison. Yep. And then one of them says something. I can't even say on the air. I like that one a lot too. That's I'm gonna guess. That's Lisa's <laugh> I haven't seen that one in a while.

Leo Laporte (00:12:32):
I think Burke might have broke it. <Laugh> oh, is it glued together? I haven't seen, we have enough mugs. You don't need AGL together. So happy father's day. I forgot to say that. Happy father's day. Yeah. Happy father's day. Happy Juneteenth. Yeah. Happy. I wanna make a request. From our musical director, professor Laura, if you could play, lift every voice sometime today, that would be great for Juneteenth. Don't play catch in the cradle though. I don't really feel no, that's not good for father's Chan. I don't really crying <laugh> I cry every time and you know what? Come true too. Cuz my son now is such a big star and tick time. Oh I know. I was gonna say maybe salt. Hank will make you surf and turf for father's day. I got a text from him at 2:00 AM. Well of course you did.

Leo Laporte (00:13:12):
<Laugh> saying happy father's day. I figured I was probably out with him. Yeah. He, he was definitely, he hadn't gone to bed yet for sure. Part T that's. All right. You know what? He's living his own life. He's 27. That's what you want. You live their own life, right? Yeah. I, I, I watch him from the sidelines and oh, you're having fun. He's a star. Good way to do it. He's a star still. Hasn't met Duaa though. That's his true goal in life. The whole thing's all about Dupa no, Doja cat. Doja sorry. Lippa Doja cat. I confused the two. Oh my God. You even know be so he would be so disappointed, you know, better than I no. See that's hysterical. <Laugh> you know more about my kids than you than I do. Well, I mean his food. I'm sorry. It's pretty awesome. It, it, it may taste disgusting, but it looks amazing. <Laugh> well, I never know cuz I've never had it, but okay. Well who should I <laugh> no, no, don't get me started. I'm gonna start crying. Who, who should I start the shit flat will get you everywhere. So max in lake worth Florida because of his compliments, he gets to go first. <Laugh> Aw. Always bring Kim a box of candy. Yes. Max in Lakeworth Florida. Hello max. Thank you Kim.

Caller 1 (00:14:21):
Hello? Dear Leo. Happy for this.

Leo Laporte (00:14:23):
Oh, I know you max. Hello, dear max. How are you?

Caller 1 (00:14:26):
I'm doing great. My friend yeah. Was just telling the lovely phone angel that she's getting treaty every time I see her on the screen. So I asked her what's her secret, but she said can D to you, so maybe, you know the secret and maybe you could tell me later

Leo Laporte (00:14:44):
<Laugh> but <laugh> you are just, you know, just adding to the the reputation of Latin lovers everywhere. That's all I can say. <Laugh> what can I do for you? My friend max

Caller 1 (00:14:59):
There was a lady called last week. She had an issue with her Gmail account in the office, I believe in the outlook ReSTOR access it. Yeah, it ask for. Okay. So here's the situation. As you know, Gmail is free, but it's not really free because he wants to read your email and come up with a targeted a

Leo Laporte (00:15:23):
Actually they don't read your email anymore. They stopped doing that a few years ago. They just, they do put ads in there, but the ads are based. They don't need to use the truth, max. They don't need to read your email. Do you use Google for search? They know all about you. So I know they don't really need to read the email. So they stopped. They stopped doing that. Aren't they generous and said, whoa, we don't need to read your email. We'll just give you Gmail email for free. I'm sure about that.

Caller 1 (00:15:47):
Yeah. I'm not quite sure about that, but I, I believe you. So this what happened? I got a 2016 office product. I actually bought it a few years ago and installed it. And he asked me about my credential from my Gmail account. Yeah. And put every, everything was going great. Fine. All of a sudden one day screen came up and says, what is your login and password? I said, why is asking me that? So I put it in and then at the bottom says, Microsoft wants to access. Your email, wants to

Leo Laporte (00:16:25):
Go read your email. Microsoft now is reading your email. <Laugh> I said, what? Well, let me explain this. You check that. I should be expect that I should be clear. It isn't that Google and Microsoft and any email service don't look at your email, you know, they do. And I here's how you know they do. Do they have anti spam features? Yes. The only way they can filter spam is by looking in your email for, for that's correct. Spam, right? For spam signatures. So yes, they that's correct. It's not that they don't read your email. I should be very clear about that. Google and Microsoft, to just say they don't use your email for advertising, but if you want them to do Annie spam or, or organization, you know, Google will sort, if you want sort your email and things like that sort, you have to let them look at it. <Laugh> they won't be able to do that. So almost all every email package I know of does that, I mean, it's just the way it is. It has to, or it's gonna be less useful than you want it to be

Caller 1 (00:17:22):
Correct. But if you do not check that box that says you let Microsoft to read your email, access, your email, you not be able to use the outlook. Oh, with, yeah. That's the problem. So I tried to get around it and I love outlook.

Leo Laporte (00:17:40):
Just let them do it. <Laugh>

Caller 1 (00:17:42):
So I said, it's good because there's nothing really going on here.

Leo Laporte (00:17:46):
If you want them to, if you wanna do it with yeah. You gotta let them because that's just how email works. They couldn't sort it, they couldn't filter it. They couldn't spam. They, you know, there's so many things they couldn't do. So, so yeah. It's but they're not advertising. So I guess it's okay. Leo Laporte, the E tech guy. Yeah. I mean, I feel bad because it would be nice. And there are email services that are private. If you really want a private email service, there's

Caller 1 (00:18:18):
A number of things

Leo Laporte (00:18:19):
You'll pay for it. But, but yes, you'll pay for it. Of course. So the email service that is really private is proton mail. They're encrypted. They don't, but they can't as a result, do any spam filtering. They, they have to leave that up to you and the, and like that. So yeah. There's certainly things you can do.

Caller 1 (00:18:39):
Right? Right.

Leo Laporte (00:18:40):
I don't think micro and Microsoft, you know what Microsoft may be reading your email. It's funny. They used to give Google a hard time about that. Google stopped doing it, but remember, Google has a lot more information they don't need to, Microsoft might need to ironically. Yes. That's correct. Ironically, in order to do their advertising there being advertising

Caller 1 (00:19:01):
That's correct. Also there was a guy called a few weeks ago, he had an iPhone fixed and all of a sudden he would not be able to receive calls or placing calls. Something like, do you remember that call?

Leo Laporte (00:19:14):
Yeah, because he was he had a 3g network that's right,

Caller 1 (00:19:19):
Right. But little bit one beyond that, as you know, since you are the man in the know, you know that the world is analog, digital only small part of it. Right, right. You already know that. So those radios on these phones, you know, they're a fabricated with the very small geometry, right. As the time goes by and the technology improves the analog portion. Part of it, the part of the radio still can be problematic as the radio, as the phone gets older. Right. Sure. And exposed to heat. I mean, you gotta see what people do at the gym. And I don't wanna go to people, bring their iPhone into the steam room.

Leo Laporte (00:20:00):
That's hysterical, crazy platform. That's crazy. Yeah. So yeah. I mean, look, they break any mobile device, even laptops, you know, they're getting lugged around, thrown around. They're gonna break faster than a desktop will cuz you, yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. It could, it could be broken. I think though the iPhone six, because they don't support LTE. They're all now deprecated and they all have to be replaced with LTE phones, unfortunately.

Caller 1 (00:20:26):
So only for more than three years, I would buy a new one that

Leo Laporte (00:20:30):
I agree. They were, yeah. They get flaky. You're right max. I do. You're right. Yeah. And max, we should explain max knows what he's talking about. This guy goes back as an engineer for years. So he's, he's got expertise in this

Caller 1 (00:20:42):
<Laugh> thank you. The last thing a Leo is that I just installed a whole house standby generator in my beautiful home.

Leo Laporte (00:20:50):
Good man. Yeah.

Caller 1 (00:20:52):
So I'm a hurricane proof now. So no matter what the mother nature throw at me, I have power. You know, the good thing is, is, cause I have a natural gas coming to my home. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:21:02):
Yeah. Sense. They, they offer that Generac and others, they offer that a lot of people use that. Generac. A lot of people use that here to have thought about it, but we have solar panels. We don't have hurricanes. So that's one thing. Oh no, no. You know, but we do have earthquakes. So we have solar panels and batteries. And I think that they would survive as well as a Generac would. So I, my, our, my brother-in-law has a Generac. He swears buddy. He loves it. Yeah.

Caller 1 (00:21:25):
Yeah. I mean, so far, I mean, I, I tested myself and all that. He had the wifi tells me about the status of the generator.

Leo Laporte (00:21:32):
Isn't that cool. Yeah.

Caller 1 (00:21:34):
Whole is awesome. Still cost you a free penny. You know, it cost about $14,000.

Leo Laporte (00:21:39):
Oh my God. I didn't realize they were that expensive. Yeah.

Caller 1 (00:21:41):
Because the, I have a 24 kilowat

Leo Laporte (00:21:45):
Do you have to run it? Do you have to run it periodically to keep it?

Caller 1 (00:21:49):
Yes. Yes. Yes. Once every six months, six months. That's not bad. Yeah. Because the oil has oil in it. It has two, yeah. Two cylinder micro cycle engine in it. Right. So you have to essentially

Leo Laporte (00:21:59):
I think our neighbor has one cuz whenever the power goes out, I hear he might have a diesel. I dunno. It's loud. Hey, I gotta run max time for Sam. Yeah.

Caller 1 (00:22:08):
Talking to you. Yes.

Leo Laporte (00:22:09):
Wonderful to talk to you. Happy father's day. Max.

Caller 1 (00:22:12):
Sam.

Leo Laporte / Sam Abuelsamid (00:22:13):
Thank you. Bye. Max is quite the character. I love max area is ladies and gentlemen, our car guy, Mr. Lowrider himself, Sam Abuelsamid. Principal researcher@guidehouseinsightsandthehostofwheelbearingsatgreatautomotive…. Hey Sam. Hello Leo. You survived. The Brickyard you've survived. You were to race the Firestone. Were you at the Firestone 500? What were you at? I can't, no. I was at the the truck grand Prix. That was grand Prix two weeks ago. Two weeks ago. Yeah. And of course the mul grand PR today. So it is fact I think it's going on right now. This is, well, obviously I'm not watching it. Do you have a team? Do you have a team you root for in formula one? I mean when I was young you know, I was a big fan of McLaren. Yeah. You know, they've, they've struggled quite a, I like the scooter year.

Leo Laporte (00:23:12):
I, I was actually the, the, the team I think I was the biggest fan of was tere, which was a small, independent team. They went outta business mid, late 1990s. That's an expensive sport. They're limited. It is know they can't spend unlimited. They only can spend 140 million a year <laugh> well, and you know, back in, you know, when I was growing up watching F1, you know, they didn't spend anywhere near that amount. That's amazing. But there there's a, there's a great saying about motor sports. The the quickest way to make a small fortune in racing is to start with a large fortune. Oh. But it's so fun to watch. I, I just,

Sam Abuelsamid (00:23:47):
Oh, it is. I love watching racing. Yeah. Yeah, but I, I, I always like tier old because they, they did some interesting stuff split that way. They, they built, they built the first six wheel F1 car. What if you've never seen? Yeah, no funny back in the day you know, they were trying to get trying to make the car, reduce the the drag, the aerodynamic drag. So it had two in the front look for, yeah. Looking in the barrel of it P 34, holy cow. So what they did was they, they made the front wheel smaller. They went down to a 10 inch front wheel and had four of them, but because they were smaller, they didn't have as much grip, you know, so that's why they, they went with four instead of two, cuz you know, obviously a larger tires got a bigger contact patch. So it really reduced the grip and it worked pretty well the first year. They actually won a race in the first year. They ran that. Wow. And then after that it fell by the wayside cuz they, they didn't have enough money to keep developing it. And other teams like Lotus came up with ground effects and which overtook it. So but they they've done, they had a lot of interesting innovations over the years that eventually got picked up by other teams. So

Leo Laporte (00:24:53):
Very cool that now I'm gonna look, look more into this te that's really interesting.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:24:58):
Yeah. That I don't was back in the seventies when they, you know, the rules were a little more freeform. Yes. They, they could get away with stuff like that.

Leo Laporte (00:25:05):
I don't wanna sidetrack you cuz I did this last week. And <laugh> you wanted to talk last week about cabin awareness.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:25:12):
Yeah. So when I was visiting Toyota's headquarters a couple of weeks ago they showed us a concept called their cabin awareness concept. It was a Toyota Sienna minivan which was equipped with an imaging radar sensor mounted in the ceiling, in the, in the headliner. And this is a new type of high resolution radar sensor that they're also, you know, it's also being used for driver assistance systems and automated driving systems, but they're using it in the interior to detect the presence of vehicle occupants or animals or whoever else might be in there. And so the, the demo they showed us they had a car seat in one of the seats in this minivan with a doll was a doll is modified to, to simulate breathing. And so they're able to detect with this radar, it's got enough resolution to detect if something is in the, in the vehicle and breathing, you know, so they can tell the difference between just a doll, you know, playing old doll and a baby because they can see the motion of the chest rising and falling.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:26:21):
It's got that much resolution. Wow. And so this, this concept that they built there, it was done in conjunction with the Toyota connected team. And so it detects who's, you know, or detects when there are occupants in the vehicle, whether they're seat belted or not, if everybody gets out of the vehicle and a baby is left behind, which is a problem that we've all heard about, you know, hot baby syndrome, you know, mm-hmm, <affirmative> when you get left behind in a vehicle

Leo Laporte (00:26:47):
Or hot doggy

Sam Abuelsamid (00:26:49):
Gets or hot doggy, it gets very hot in there. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And so what what it, what they had it do was automatically send alerts, you know, after like 30 seconds if the doors are closed and there's still a child left in the vehicle with the windows closed it will start texting, sending an alert to the driver's phone and then start sending a series of cascading alerts to other phones on the contact list that have been set up and then to an Amazon echo show and then to a smart TV. So they had all these things set up there. So you can see the alerts pop up. And if you're watching the video stream right now, you can see the, the message on an echo show, you know, attention Toyota connected intelligence has detected the presence of a loan occupant and your green Toyota Sienna. Please check the vehicle.

Leo Laporte (00:27:37):
That is so great. If it works, that's phenomenal.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:27:42):
Yeah. It, it, it does work. That's so great. If you know, if, no, if none of the people on the contact list respond, then after a couple of minutes or a few minutes, it will, it can send an alert to emergency responders to, to paramedics or police to come in and check on the vehicle and make sure that, you know, everything's okay. So this, this is a, a, I think a great technology. It's something that we should have in vehicles. The cost is, you know, it's gonna be well under a hundred dollars for this, the sunset.

Leo Laporte (00:28:15):
Wow.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:28:17):
And

Leo Laporte (00:28:17):
Is that a hundred dollars to the end user or to the manufacturer?

Sam Abuelsamid (00:28:21):
To the, to the manufacturer?

Leo Laporte (00:28:22):
Yes. The Toyota see that's expensive. So that means it's gonna add up two or three times that cost, right.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:28:27):
Possibly. Yeah. But, you know, I think, I think it's a worthwhile investment. Oh, heck yes. To heck to have that, that peace of mind. 

Leo Laporte (00:28:36):
You know, we don't have, have kids or a doggie, so we turn off the backseat sensor in the car, cuz I always have stuff in the backseat and it bugs me, but that's such an important thing to have. I think that's really great. Yeah.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:28:48):
Yeah. And you know, Toyota also has a version of the Sienna that they have developed that is they call it the Sienna autonom Moss, which is for mobility as a service programs. So for robo taxis and it's all, it's all, pre-wired in everything for autonomous vehicle development. And there's a couple of different companies, Aurora innovation and main mobility that are using these now as the robo taxi development platform. And those also have this sensor in there. So you can, it can detect, you know, when passengers get in or out if they're belted. So if they get in, if somebody gets in the vehicle for a ride until they get belted up the vehicle, won't move things like that. And once, you know, once, once everybody gets out, it'll close the doors automatically. So I think this is, this is a really important technology and we're gonna be seeing these sensors, these imaging radar sensors on a lot of vehicles starting this year.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:29:41):
In fact Viar has a production program with an unidentified auto maker. That's supposed to launch later this year, another company called under working with Magna. One of the world's largest automotive suppliers is going to be supplying a similar type of sensor for the Fisker ocean that is launching at the end of this year. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> they're gonna, they actually have five of these around the outside of the vehicle for sensing. And it gives you data that is similar to LIDAR. It's not quite as high resolution as LIDAR but it's, it's a much more accurate than current radars that are being used on vehicles, much, much higher resolution. So it's you know, this, this is the technology that we're going to be seeing a lot of over the next several years.

Leo Laporte (00:30:27):
Very cool. Yeah. Very cool. I think a good safety feature and I love it that they tied it into the echo show. Would I, I presume Google, they might tie into the Google. Yeah. You

Sam Abuelsamid (00:30:37):
Could tie, you could tie it into to any assistant system, you know, any, any type of

Leo Laporte (00:30:41):
System or even my apple message messages. You might say notifications. Yeah. Yeah. They Toyota probably has an app. All the car makers now have apps that you could put on your phone that would, oh

Sam Abuelsamid (00:30:50):
Yeah, everybody does. You know, most new vehicles are equipped with, with built in sell connectivity. So, you know, you can send all, you know, send a variety of different alerts to drivers or, you know, other people in the family when, when necessary

Leo Laporte (00:31:05):
Very good. Sam bull Sam, he covers cars for us. He's our car guy, principal researcher at guide house insight. So don't forget if you like this and you want to hear more of this. He's got a podcast every week called wheel bearings with Robbie and Nicole. They're great wheel bearings.media is the website, but you can find out wherever you listen to podcasts. Thank you, Sam. Happy father's day. I hope your kids call. Thank

Sam Abuelsamid (00:31:29):
You. And the, and the same to you,

Leo Laporte (00:31:30):
Leah. Thank you, sir. So another recall on my lovely ma

Sam Abuelsamid (00:31:49):
Yeah. You'll be getting an OTA update for that one.

Leo Laporte (00:31:52):
Not a big deal at all. The yeah, the here's what you have to do to get that part to overheat. You have to do a DC fast charging and then drive with your pedal to the metal <laugh> as fast

Sam Abuelsamid (00:32:06):
Everybody does that. Right?

Leo Laporte (00:32:08):
Yeah. See, I know that I'm completely not. That's never, I fairly very, I've never used DC fast charging except once just to show off, you know, on a, on a review of it and cause I charge at home and I never drive with the pedal to the metal. So

Sam Abuelsamid (00:32:22):
I last week when I had the the Rivian R one T and the F-150 speaking of which Anthony's got that video.

Leo Laporte (00:32:29):
Oh, thank you. Oh, I can't wait to see it.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:32:31):
Great. when I had the R one T in, in the video, I do a, a full acceleration test with that thing. It does zero to 60 in three seconds.

Leo Laporte (00:32:41):
Oh my ly. Fast for a vehicle that big. Wow.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:32:46):
Yeah, that's impressive. And the lightning is almost as quick. It's just over four seconds. It's the lightning is even faster than your mock.

Leo Laporte (00:32:52):
Yeah. Yeah. I don't feel the need for them. I mean, when you're merging on the freeway of plenty of acceleration, that's the only time I'd ever need to, you know, get up to speed fast and I'm not doing it for stop anyways, but

Sam Abuelsamid (00:33:04):
Yeah. And I mean, where, where that power is helpful. You, I mean, you don't need that much acceleration, but when you're towing. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:33:11):
That's why have so much

Sam Abuelsamid (00:33:12):
When I first makes sense, when I first drove the lightning you know, towing a 9,500 pound trailer, it didn't even feel like there was anything connected to it.

Leo Laporte (00:33:20):
Wow. Yeah.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:33:21):
Wow. It it is crazy fast. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:33:24):
That's amazing.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:33:25):
So yeah, they're both, both great trucks, not really direct competitors. You know, they're kind of going after different market segments. You know, the F-150 is, you know, the more traditional pickup truck market you know, especially commercial customers, but you know, also retail and the Rivian is more, more of a competitor for something like the Jeep gladiator, you know, offroad you know, adventure vehicle or, you know, or for competing with, you know, range Rover brands like that rather than the F-150.

Leo Laporte (00:33:57):
Yeah.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:33:58):
So, but both, both excellent options and tomorrow I'm heading out to tomorrow morning, I'm heading out to park city, Utah. Oh, fun to drive the new Cadillac lyric.

Leo Laporte (00:34:08):
Those CA some of these Cadillacs look really good. I never would've thought of buying a Cadillac before, but some of those Cadillacs look really nice.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:34:16):
Yeah. The, the lyrics are fantastic looking vehicle. Yeah. Yeah. and the, the new Celest, which they'll be showing

Leo Laporte (00:34:22):
Off, I I'm intrigued by that. When are they gonna show that next

Sam Abuelsamid (00:34:24):
Month? I think next month they're gonna,

Leo Laporte (00:34:27):
This is the one they're hand building, right? Yeah. What's the point of hand building

Sam Abuelsamid (00:34:33):
You know, the, the craftsmanship, you know, part of it is, you know, they'll be

Leo Laporte (00:34:37):
So they can charge custom twice as much. It'll

Sam Abuelsamid (00:34:39):
Be. Yeah. And they'll, they'll be custom built, you know, so customers be able to select, you know, colors and materials and everything they want. So it'll be much more personalized than than a typical vehicle. And it will not be cheap. It, it will be expensive. It'll probably be about $250,000,

Leo Laporte (00:35:00):
250,000. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And you think it's gonna be unique looking? I mean, we've only seen a,

Sam Abuelsamid (00:35:07):
Oh yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:35:08):
A couple of little,

Sam Abuelsamid (00:35:09):
Yeah. I've, I've seen, I've seen, I've seen it. I saw a clay model of it a couple

Leo Laporte (00:35:14):
Years ago. Okay. So you've seen more.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:35:15):
Okay. Yeah. And they haven't, they haven't shown the full thing. They'll be showing us the full thing in about a month or so. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:35:20):
Yeah. All I've seen is a wheel well, so far so <laugh> yeah. You're you're ahead of me. <Laugh>

Sam Abuelsamid (00:35:26):
Yeah. It's I think, I think people are gonna be really excited by this one. Not many people good

Leo Laporte (00:35:32):
For GM. I like GM I'm. I'm happy. In fact, I'm thinking I'll probably, you know what, my, my, when I buy my final car, which will be in a couple of years, it might be, it might just be one of those GM vehicles. They have some really nice ones. I think the tech guy podcast is brought to you by Peloton. You know, you know, as the tech guy, one of the things I'm constantly talking about is staying in shape. Cuz as you know, we tech guys, we sit on our Duffs a lot, but I am happy to say very happy to say that I have the best way to stay in shape. And I use it practically every day. It's my Peloton. Oh, I love my Peloton. I bought, I bought my Peloton years ago, years ago when they first started, I said, this is a good idea.

Leo Laporte (00:36:25):
I love, I love to take in the bike classes. I love going to the gym, but you know, sometimes I'm lazy. It's nice to have something at home. You may not feel motivated often don't to get out of the house or fit a workout into your day. And then, you know, workout classes fill up and you can get shut out. And plus there's all these people who are so fit and I'm not. So I just go and do my Peloton now is a great time to try out Peloton. And you know, when it started, it was bicycle classes. But now holy cow, they have stretch. They have weights, they have yoga. They have all kinds of classes taught by the best instructors I'm team Cody. But there are a lot of other great instructors motivating you 24 7, highly trained fitness pros. They'll they'll, they're fun.

Leo Laporte (00:37:14):
They're entertaining. They play great music. They motivate you through the workout. So even if you're not a gym rat, if you're somebody like me, who just is trying to stay in shape, this is a great way to work out. And if you are in fact, my trainer, you know, I go to the, my trainer's got a barn all hooked up. He's got a Peloton tread and a Peloton bike because it's great. Even for, you know, him, his, his, you know, marathon running wife and all of his students, whatever your fitness level, Peloton instructors, don't just teach. They motivate thousands of live and on-demand classes. You can always keep it fresh, cycling, strength, training, yoga, running experiment with new types of movement, judgment free at a level of pace. It feels good for you lately. I've been playing. They have this game that you play on the bike.

Leo Laporte (00:38:01):
I love this. You know, I love the classes and I have a number of trainers I love, but lately I've been playing this game, they play the music and it's kind of like guitar hero or rock band. You turn the knob up and down. You stay in the lane, you go fast, you go slow. It's a great workout goes by like that. Cuz it's a game. It's fun. I love my Peloton. And if it's not fun, why do it? You're much more likely to stick with a workout you love. Right? So that's why every classic Peloton is fun. And if you're in the mood for a ride full of club bangers, you'll find them an EDM run. You'll find them a yoga flow class with soul music. You'll find it. I was listening to oh, what was, it was great. It was the women of rock.

Leo Laporte (00:38:50):
Oh man, I loved that. That was fun. And, and you know, the, the, the trainers at Peloton often are DJs too. In fact, sometimes the trainer will bring in a DJ, but they love putting the music together for the class. So there's also, Cody's got like, he does some crazy things with his music and I love it keeps you entertained for, makes you forget that you're getting a great workout. They have, by the way, every length of ride from five minutes to an hour, 10 minute upper body stretches, you could do that between calls a 40 minute run before bed. It they're live classes, but you could also watch any class on demand. And so I like, I try to make the live class, especially because like my hundredth is coming up. So I wanna make sure I'm there for the live class so that Cody will gimme a shout out.

Leo Laporte (00:39:36):
I'm counting on that. But <laugh>, you can also, most of the time I do on demand because you know, it's just whenever I wanna do it, right. It's perfect to work into your schedule, whether you have five minutes or an hour and no, no no towel snapping in the locker room either. It's <laugh> well maybe sometimes Lisa snaps, the Dow, I mean right now is the perfect time to try out Peloton the Peloton bike. Plus they just dropped it 500 bucks, the best price ever that includes. And it, you wanna do this free delivery and set up cuz they set it up just right. So it's ready to go. We have a Peloton in the, in the gym and I use it practically every day and it's not just the Peloton bike plus there's more game changing prices on the original Peloton bike, the Peloton tread which I have used many, many times at my trainers.

Leo Laporte (00:40:31):
I love it. They have, you can, you can have, you know, it's a big screen, so you can be running in nature or you can be running in a class. There's all kinds of things. One peloton.com to learn more. O N E P E L O T O N. I had to ask a Peloton is in bike racing when it's a group, it's a clump of bikers, right? It's a, it's your, it's your, it's your peeps. You're all riding together. One peloton.com to learn more. O N E P E L O T O n.com. Just learn more. I've been a Peloton fan. It's gotta be at least three or four years now. And I've been begging them to let me do some ADSS for them because I love them so much. I'm I almost said I'll do 'em for free, but I, I, I got wise PE <laugh> can't do that one.

Leo Laporte (00:41:21):
Peloton that.com to learn more, please check it out. I think you'll like it. Now back to the check on <laugh> Leo happy father, state, Leo Laporte, the tech guy eighty eight eighty eight ask Leo is the phone number, is it is it rude of me to say did you get a little, did you get a little thrill of a little pleasure when you saw that Bitcoin drop below 20 coin dropped below $20,000? This weekend, did it kind of, is it a, is that, should we not? I mean, I'm sure you didn't, if you have some, you know, because it's, that's a third, what it was just a few months ago, but, but you know, it's kind of like, I think all these people are, you know, I'm a, I'm a Bitcoin billionaire. It kind of gives you a feeling of <laugh> it's actually gone back up a little bit. It was down to $17,800. Wow, wow. Going back up, but you know, that's people buying the dip, dips, buying the dip 88 88 ask Leo did I think my bias just showed Lawrence. I'll cover that up. Lawrence from Scott's bluff, Nebraska. Hello, Lawrence.

Caller 2 (00:42:39):
Hi. How you doing?

Leo Laporte (00:42:40):
I am. Well, how are you?

Caller 2 (00:42:42):
I'm doing good. And happy father's day to you. Thank

Leo Laporte (00:42:45):
You. Thank you. What can I do? Happy father's day to you too. What can I do for you?

Caller 2 (00:42:51):
So first I just wanna say something I listened to your show this week in tech. Awesome show. Thank you. I just had one, one request. Yes. Elon Musk band.

Leo Laporte (00:43:03):
<Laugh> I know we're so sick of talking about, I mean, if he, if you, the problem is he's very good at making news. Yeah. And and since he's still trying to buy Twitter, it's hard not to talk. I got a warn you this week in text coming up after this show on the podcast network, there will be a little Elon news, cuz he did have an all hands meeting with Twitter. Yeah. So we'll but that's all we'll do. That's all we'll do and Sam's gonna be on it. So we'll probably talking about other, other things as well, so yeah. But I'm glad you like it. Thank you. Lawrence twits.tv. It's a podcast.

Caller 2 (00:43:34):
Yeah. It's yeah, it's like kind of a reminder because we were him and I, we share a birthday same day, same year

Leo Laporte (00:43:42):
<Laugh> are you wow. So you're the same age and you've accomplished nearly as much I'm guessing.

Caller 2 (00:43:47):
Oh yeah. I've few billion dollars off, but yeah, pretty.

Leo Laporte (00:43:51):
He is the richest man in the world, so yeah, he, you know, he's gotta be a little newsworthy. I agree. I'm getting sick of it too. Believe me. There's a problem. When you cover news of any kind you know, it tends to be whatever is the big story you're gonna be talking about it for a long time. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> the news cycles move quickly, but not not quickly enough sometimes. What, what can I do for you?

Caller 2 (00:44:16):
So I just kind of a really quick reminder, I wouldn't expect you to remember, but a few months back I had called in, told you I'm blind. I just recently went blind.

Leo Laporte (00:44:27):
Oh yeah. I remember. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah,

Caller 2 (00:44:29):
Yeah. And then, so where I'm at right now is 

Leo Laporte (00:44:34):
How's it going first of all?

Caller 2 (00:44:37):
Oh, it's, I'm actually 

Leo Laporte (00:44:40):
You're

Caller 2 (00:44:40):
Justin, this shot I've taken this shot that helps kinda keep things in, you know, from progressing good, which is great. Good. So I take it once a month and so yeah, I'm, I'm completely blind, but I could be completely paralyzed on top of that. So holy

Leo Laporte (00:44:59):
Cow. Okay. Well, you know, there's some things to be grateful for. Yeah. Wow.

Caller 2 (00:45:04):
Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:45:04):
Exactly. Wow. Well, I'm, I'm, I'm glad you're not, but you know, and I, and I'm, and you, I have to say, I remember from the last call you're, you're taking it as well as anyone could.

Caller 2 (00:45:16):
Yeah. So, you know, like I just roll with it. So my question was surrounding <laugh> so I'm always doing something around, you know, I'm, I'm I'm, I'm very hands on. I'm trying to learn things as I go. Good. I'm not afraid of anything. Yeah. you know, just, just like mowing the grass. I try to mow the grass. It's very difficult to try to keep things. I know it sounds crazy, but you know, bacon crop circles is really fun, but 

Leo Laporte (00:45:47):
How do you navigate

Caller 2 (00:45:49):
<Laugh>? Well, what I do is I, I have a fence and I kind of gauge myself going back and forth, but every once in a while I, I lose track of where I'm at.

Leo Laporte (00:46:02):
So you have, you have some vision?

Caller 2 (00:46:05):
No, no.

Leo Laporte (00:46:06):
Well, how do you know where the fence is by sound?

Caller 2 (00:46:08):
Oh, no, I can feel it.

Leo Laporte (00:46:10):
Oh, you're holding

Caller 2 (00:46:10):
It. And then I just, oh, and then I can kind of gauge yeah. By listening, sometimes the sound off of the fence sounds a little bit different and it gets further away, further away things like that. But I kind of given up on that, so it's really hard to do something like that. So my question is, you know, it's kind of like being in somebody's avatar. How is there something that I, I can put on my glasses for a camera? Like a, a webcam, not kinda like a GoPro, but something, you know, like for example you

Leo Laporte (00:46:43):
Need radar, you need something that will beep as you get close to stuff.

Caller 2 (00:46:46):
Well, no, so, so this is what I should, so it, it gets crazy because I have cats and my cats every once in a while cough up hairballs and that's a, quite a surprise <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:46:59):
So don't wanna step in that. Do you?

Caller 2 (00:47:01):
Yeah. Yeah. So every once in a while what I have to do is I, I make a phone call to whoever and do a video call and I use my camera and say, Hey, we're, you know, we're, what's going on over here. I don't know what's going on when I'm gonna step in. Or if I'm missing something, I'll use my camera to to, you know, to kind of see, have that person see for me. Right. And there's, you know, there's an app to, you know, you can call somebody, you

Leo Laporte (00:47:34):
Know? Yeah. Be my eyes is an app mm-hmm <affirmative> then there's a commercial app that our our good friend was telling us about last week. I think it was tech, Julian Vargas, tech, jv.com. He's the guy, by the way, I, I hope you heard him on the show and if not go to his site, tech jv.com, he's got a phone number there. He's got an email. There he is. Gr a great resource for questions like this. Okay. There's another guy who calls all the time and he's, he's, he's a wonderful fellow who is the blind deaf Potter or deaf blind Potter, deaf blind potter.com. He makes something called the Simmi cane, which is a lighted blind cane for blind folks that make it much more visible. And he would, he also has talked about canes that vibrate so that you, instead of just swinging it, you actually can, can, it's almost radar in there.

Leo Laporte (00:48:35):
I bet you there's something you, you would like to wear cameras. And there's certainly eyeglasses with cameras. There are a lot of them infect, snap sells one. Facebook is if they haven't started selling it, they're about to sell one. Those. So that's, you know, that would probably be the one to get is a Facebook camera. Cuz you could have somebody on Facebook watch you and then and then you could be on the phone with them and they could say, turn left, turn left. Yeah. Turn left right now. <Laugh> right, right. That's wild. If you've got somebody to do that with you, I think that's wonderful.

Caller 2 (00:49:07):
Yeah. I just make sure that they're not on my life insurance policy.

Leo Laporte (00:49:11):
<Laugh> right. Situation. No benefit to them for you running into a ditch. I would, I would email tech, JV dot com, Julian Vargas. If anybody knows about technologies to do this, he was on last week talking about a commercial solution. Very much likes be my eyes, but it's because it's paid you can count on these people that be there with be my eyes. You know, you put in a request on the app, you may already know this and then you wait until a volunteer says, oh yeah, I'll help you. And that, yeah, that may or may not happen. I think there's a lot of, there are talking cameras for the blind, which is interesting. Also in our chat room says seeing IA from Microsoft, seeing IA now see that might even be a better solution where it say that's a tree, that's a tree.

Leo Laporte (00:50:01):
That's okay. That's the fence. Seeing AI rather it's on the apple app store, it's an app from Microsoft talking camera for the blind. Its idea is you would aim it at money and it would say, oh, that's four bucks or you name it at a person and say, that's buddy, Joe. It's kind of like be my eyes, but it's done in computers done with automatic recognition. Now that's not quite what you want, but I have to think that there would be things that would say fence <laugh> yeah. Anyway, emailed Julian. Cause I don't know off the top of my head, but you know what? He's a contact you should make anyway. Best of, best of luck. Lawrence. Great to talk to you, Leo. Leport the tech guy, R cam let's look at this one. Chat room is loving this. I just locked my locked, my computer. That was a mistake. R cam let me, let me see that. Unleash your potential. Oh look. Oh, this is interest. Okay. It goes, it's a par it goes in your glasses. It's a wearable artificial intelligence device for people who are blind or visually impaired enable you to independently access the world. It'll read text, recognize faces, identify colors, products, and more. Huh?

Leo Laporte (00:51:41):
Again, <affirmative> again, you know, the, the problem really is Lawrence. I don't know, you know, I'm no, I'm not blind, so I don't know what works and what doesn't work, but Julian is, and he'd be such a good person for you to yeah. To be in touch with. Yeah. But there does look like you can do this and I love it. They, instead of, you know, sitting in, in, in, in a line in bed crying, you're out there mowing the lawn. I think that's fantastic. That's great.

Caller 2 (00:52:09):
Yeah. I think, I think, I think it just gets a little crazy with, there's been a couple times where I've gotten lost you know, walking home, but luckily I can call somebody and

Leo Laporte (00:52:20):
God, God bless you. You down. God bless you. Yeah. I I'm just that's really that's the, that's the a right attitude. I would hope. I don't know if I would, but I would hope I would. I would have that kind of internal strength. If

Caller 2 (00:52:34):
Yeah, yous can't give, I mean, even to the point where I used to ride my motorcycle a lot and I, somebody couldn't, I had to move my motorcycle and nobody knew how to ride it. So I had to ride it blind, but whoa. Somebody was behind me.

Leo Laporte (00:52:48):
Okay. Yeah. If somebody's yeah. Somebody says, yeah. Okay. Okay. Slow

Caller 2 (00:52:51):
It, it was in a, it was in a storage unit area.

Leo Laporte (00:52:53):
Yeah. Yeah. Where I had to

Caller 2 (00:52:54):
From one storage. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:52:56):
But you know, those are adventures and if I think you're taking it in the right spirit, which is let's, let's have some adventures let's let's do some stuff. Mm-Hmm

Caller 2 (00:53:04):
<Affirmative>

Leo Laporte (00:53:04):
Yeah. Good for you. So you could have been parallel. Was this an accident or?

Caller 2 (00:53:09):
No, it was I have what's called DICs disease. It's like Ms. But just super rare.

Leo Laporte (00:53:16):
It's really rare. So sorry. You know, I was at the eye doctor today or a couple of days ago and she said your eyeball pressure's too high. So, oh yeah. Yeah. I have potentially glaucoma <laugh> yeah. That's good. John you're right. John is saying he knows a cure for that. I forgot that's glaucoma. Yeah. But there's also medicines for that. <Laugh> anyway, I'm gonna go back and she's gonna measure it again, but caught, we caught it early, which was good. Yes. So she's they did a scan on my on my Iris and stuff, but you know, we're all, we're all just stumbling. <Laugh> in the darkness together. <Laugh> so Lawrence, you're an inspiration. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Hey yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Have a great day. Hey, you too. Thanks. See you TW on TWiT.

Leo Laporte (00:54:03):
Bye. Well, Hey, Hey. Hey. How are you today? Leo LePort here. The tech guy, time to talk computers, the internet, home theater, smart phones. We've got digital photography. We've got smart watches, you know, all that stuff. Technology, the things that drive us nuts, 88, 88, ask Leo and you know, sometimes bring a smile to our face or a tear to our eye. I could be crying cuz I'm happy or crying because this darn during will not work. 88 88 ask Leo. That's why I'm here. Think of me as as your digital psychotherapist, 8 8, 8 2 7, a doctor Laura for computers 8 2 7 5 5 3 6 website tech guy labs.com. Tech guy labs.com. That's where if I mentioned something, there's a, if there's a link, an article a product we'd all go up there on the website. We also put the transcript of the show, takes a little while to get that done, but a couple of days afterwards and audio and video. So you can search for something in the transcript. Jump to that part of the audio or the video tech guy labs.com. Just look for episode 19 0 4, 19 0 4. Was that the year of the Titanic? San? I have I something about that year. I know it's not good. Paul, on the line. Louisville, Kentucky. Hello, Paul Leo Laporte. The tech guy.

Caller 3 (00:55:28):
Hey, how you doing Leo I'm

Leo Laporte (00:55:29):
Well, how are you, Paul?

Caller 3 (00:55:31):
Just fine. Got a question about whether or not you should persuade me or persuade me from buying an apple cellular, watch the cellular version. And lemme give you a little back story about why I'm interested in that. I currently carry two phones with me, Android Google pixel and the apple iPhone SC that I bought. Wow. 2016, which I've been hearing is going to be losing its support next year. So I would ideally like to just have one phone, you know, like the Google picture.

Leo Laporte (00:56:13):
Why do you carry two?

Caller 3 (00:56:15):
Well, you know, it's come in once in a while it comes in handy. If something doesn't work on one phone, especially like, especially I have the the security at home, like I have this owed security system.

Leo Laporte (00:56:29):
Oh. So it works on iOS, but not Androids. So you,

Caller 3 (00:56:32):
You, no, no, no, it works on both, but sometimes if I, if I'm, if I'm having trouble with an app on one phone, I can have it as a back drum. It's kind of crazy. But anyway I'd ideally like to just have one. Okay. I know that I would have to have, in addition to the watch, I'd have to have a phone. If I had the cellular version, I'd have to have,

Leo Laporte (00:56:55):
Yeah. The cellular in the watch does not replace a phone. Unfortunately with the apple watch, you have to have an iPhone or the, any of the Android watches. You have to have an Android phone. Yeah.

Caller 3 (00:57:07):
But here's the thing.

Leo Laporte (00:57:09):
Or actually you can app use an apple phone with an Android watch. Go ahead.

Caller 3 (00:57:12):
Yeah. So okay. I was just wondering could I get a apple phone se and an apple watch se cellular?

Leo Laporte (00:57:27):
I don't think I might be wrong, but I don't think they sell a cellular version of the se I think you have to get the apple watch six or seven to get cellular in it.

Caller 3 (00:57:37):
Okay. So what are we talking about?

Leo Laporte (00:57:39):
Price wise <laugh> yeah. And I think four 50

Caller 3 (00:57:44):
For, for what? The,

Leo Laporte (00:57:45):
The watch.

Caller 3 (00:57:46):
And then how much was the phone?

Leo Laporte (00:57:48):
The cheapest se is 807. Maybe it's 700. Yeah. So yeah, you're talking a look, apple never said they were the cheapest solution on the market. Right. You can get, certainly get going and going for a lot less with a an Android wear device or a Samsung device. And you know, the Samsung galaxy watch is I think two 50 now. I don't let me think what the cellular price is. Actually, I don't know, off the top of my head. So you could go as some, when somebody, the chat saying, look at refurb and that's true. If you get refurb from apple, it won't be as big a savings, but refurb is risky if you don't get it from the original manufacturer, in my opinion. Yeah. So, but you could save a couple hundred bucks going to apple. Apple has a a refurbed store on their site store, apple.com.

Leo Laporte (00:58:41):
Take a look there. Cellular don't forget if you get a cellular watch, now you're gonna be paying not only for your cellular phone, but you're also gonna be in most cases, 10 bucks additional a month for the cellular, watch the cellular watch. However, you can leave your phone behind. You can take calls, you can make calls soon. That's coming with watch O S nine, the ability to make calls from the watch. You can do a lot of things that you couldn't do unless you had a phone nearby. You can listen to music streaming and so forth over it. So, you know, but it's, it's like 150 bucks more for the cellular capability you have to pay for that se the new se is 4 29. Okay. It's less than I thought it was. And the apple there is. Okay, so I'm wrong. I have to thank you chatroom for correcting me. They do sell a watch se with cellular that's 3 29, and you can get an se iPhone for four twenty nine. So the total there new brand new outta the box, 750 bucks.

Caller 3 (00:59:41):
Yeah. Now what about something like mint mobile? Would that, could you use that

Leo Laporte (00:59:48):
Service? Yeah, absolutely.

Caller 3 (00:59:49):
With the, both the, the cellular watch and the,

Leo Laporte (00:59:54):
I don't know if mint mobile offers the cellular watch. I think you have to go with one of the big carriers. That's yeah, that's a good question. The watch, oh, look at this. Thank you. Scooter X, the apple watch series six, which is last year's model and it's perfectly fine. In fact, that's the one I'm using from the Nike plus line cellular editions $318. Well, that's, you know, still a little more than the, you know, than the regular one, but still that's not bad.

Caller 3 (01:00:23):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:00:24):
Mint mobile does not support the watch. It does support the phone. Yeah. the only, oh, Joe is in the chat boy, the chatroom is great on this. Thank you. Chatroom. Joe says, if you do want to use the watch with not one of the big carriers, Verizon's visible, does support cellular watch and that's that? Yeah. Visible is focused on data. And nowadays we don't make that. I don't know about you, but I don't make that many phone calls. Data is really the most important thing on a watch or on the,

Caller 3 (01:00:55):
What about the app support on the, on the, on the cellular watch? Would I be able to use like, say something like I've got these Arlo cameras that give me notifications

Leo Laporte (01:01:06):
Some, yeah. I don't know all specifically about Arlo, but certainly some cameras do my Google nest doorbell camera. We'll I'll get a picture on the watch. Somebody's at the door and I'll get a picture. Can

Caller 3 (01:01:17):
You sure. Uber, could you get an Uber with a, on a

Leo Laporte (01:01:21):
Yes. Oh no. You know what you could, that was one of the big selling points in the watch for reasons. I, I really don't understand Uber discontinued this watch app a few months ago. <Laugh> okay. Well, that doesn't make any sense to me at all. Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:01:33):
What about a messenger like Facebook messenger?

Leo Laporte (01:01:36):
Would that be, yeah, you can use some, not all, not all messaging programs, but most messaging programs work on the watch. You know, I mean, honestly, you don't wanna enter a lot of texts on the watch, but you can always dictate. They also have, you know, you can send sound files because there's a microphone on the cellular watch and you can also they have a little scribble thing that lets you write one character at a time. It's a little painful, but you can always do that. When I wanna send a message from the watch they give you pre-canned messages, which I use all the time, but usually when I wanna send a message from the watch, I will dictate it.

Caller 3 (01:02:07):
Can I give you a real quick, a bit Orton question?

Leo Laporte (01:02:10):
Sure. That's the password manager. One of our sponsors. Yeah. Right. And the one I use. Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:02:15):
I've got somewhat of a minor security question. I have the bit warden set so that after an hour I have to re-enter the password. Okay. Okay. Now, but here's the curious part. I like to take the, when I launch the bit warden in this, the, the top left hand corner, you can click on that and it'll minimize it so that you can just go down, it comes in handy. If you have to answer questions, you know? Okay. But here's the thing I've noticed that like after I come back to my computer for, let's say, you know, like even the next day that minimized version of bit warden is still enables me

Leo Laporte (01:03:04):
And it's UN and it's unlocked. Oh

Caller 3 (01:03:07):
Yeah. How does it, is there a way around that,

Leo Laporte (01:03:10):
You know, I, that I've never used that minimized version. That's scary. That is absolutely not how it should behave. Let me ask bit warden. Yeah. Because that's something, if you have it set to time out in 15 minutes, I don't do that because you know, I'm not gonna right. Be walking away from my computer, but yeah, if you used it at work and you walked it up a lot, you'd certainly wanted to do that. I, I, that's not good. It should time out the same amount of time on the on the mini version of it. That's not right next day.

Caller 3 (01:03:42):
I go, if I get on my computer the next day there it is sitting there and I able to, to access anything.

Leo Laporte (01:03:49):
That's really not good. <Laugh> yeah. I that's,

Caller 3 (01:03:54):
I'm using the I'm using the the version for the that's on my browser, the browser.

Leo Laporte (01:04:03):
Yeah. Yeah. That's what I, I just, so you pop it out so you can leave it there and copy and paste and so forth, but it does not time out.

Caller 3 (01:04:12):
No, it

Leo Laporte (01:04:12):
Doesn't. I am looking at the time out actions, maybe I would play with some of the other time out actions and see if you can get that pop, the pop out should behave exactly the same as the plugin. I don't, I don't even understand why it would not. So that is a a flaunt, there is a lock now button, you know, you can, you can manually lock it, but boy, that you shouldn't have to yeah. I'll ask him about it. And if anybody knows and says, oh no, you just, this have to turn this on. That's my guess is there's something you just have to turn on. Okay. But point I, I don't know why a pop out would behave any differently. It's it's really the same code. So that's very surprising. That's really surprising.

Caller 3 (01:04:57):
I will ask. I don't wanna get cellular watch. I'll give you a call

Leo Laporte (01:05:00):
Back. Okay. And by the way, it does work with the Arlo. I'm looking at the Arlo website again, thanks to the chatroom. You can receive motion and auto audio notifications in your apple watch. If you're an Arlo smart subscriber, you can even get images preview, and a description of what caused the camera to start recording, not video, but the preview. So that's pretty good. Yeah. Thanks a lot for your advice. My pleasure. Go get it. You deserve it. I carry two phones, but that's cuz I'm the tech guy <laugh> I don't know why anybody else would need to. Thank you. Chatroom on that one. You were stars stellar. Thank you. Scooter X and Joe and everybody was very good. Thank you.

Leo Laporte (01:05:50):
Ooh, that sounds good, Sam. Thank you. I just, the way I make my chilies, very simple. I very simple. I make it so fruited with onion, carrot, celery, olive oil, saute that up. Add the beans black beans. Do about a pound of black beans cover an inch higher than the beans with water. Simm it for, till the beans are soft, add a can of tomatoes, spice, tomatoes can of tomato paste. I like to put in you know, what makes it chili for me is the spices. So, you know, Cuan and put in some paprika or hot, you know, Chipotle smoked pepper stuff like that. Just give it a little heat and a little little flavor, flavor flavor. Sometimes I add beef sometimes not sometimes. I just like make a nice vegetarian chili. It's very good, cus great, really great. And the black beans, because they're a complex carb, they really don't spike my my <laugh> you gonna put that in the show notes? It's very easy.

Leo Laporte (01:06:58):
It's very easy. I mean, it's not, there's no recipe really. I start everything, my spaghetti sauce, everything with SOF. So sofrito is you, you chop up an onion, whole onion, put it in the pot with olive oil and butter. If you want saute it till it's translucent, add carrots, chopped up celery chopped up. I like it chunks, but you can chop it as much as you want saute that. And then that's the sofrito and now you can do whatever, you know, it's put an salt to, if you want and you can do whatever you want. And that's when I add the beans. Yeah. Cuan is the flavor of chili that people kind of think of as chili, you know, I put in whatever I'm in the mood for, you know, I sometimes it's a little cinnamon if I wanna do it. Cincinnati style, sometimes a little coriander, some what else do I like to put? I have a nice some nice chili smoked chilies of various kinds. Oh man. I'd love I would love to get Elton brown in our network. I don't think we can afford Alton brown.

Leo Laporte (01:08:15):
Yeah. I love those collab chilies. I put those, I put those in everything, Kim. Thank you. She got me on Collabion chili and you know, it's funny cuz salt, Hank love. He's a big collab chili guy. Oh, you're gonna make me cry. Leo Laporte, the tech guy. Happy father's day. Dads, Aaron out there in Nashville. Massachusetts is next. Hi Aaron. Hello.

Caller 4 (01:08:42):
Hi.

Leo Laporte (01:08:43):
Welcome to the show. What can I do for you?

Caller 4 (01:08:46):
Well, I've been listening to you watching since sea band satellite days.

Leo Laporte (01:08:51):
Oh my gosh. And that goes back to 1998

Caller 4 (01:08:56):
<Laugh> and over the years, lots of people have called in with problems that were traced to lousy internet because they lived in some place that was nice to live in.

Leo Laporte (01:09:09):
I know it's the greatest it's the greatest disappointment in this country is, you know, the internet service providers UN unlike some countries where the government puts in the infrastructure here it's of course private industry and there's not much incentive for them to do all that digging. Right. If there's only four people per square mile. So the rural areas are often overlooked

Caller 4 (01:09:32):
Where I live we're in one of the larger towns and land area in Massachusetts, but we have a population of less than 2000.

Leo Laporte (01:09:42):
Yeah. Are you in Western pass?

Caller 4 (01:09:44):
Yeah. About, oh, about 15 miles from the New York border, 15, 20 miles. And about 10 or 15 miles from the Vermont New Hampshire border.

Leo Laporte (01:09:55):
Yeah. I love Western Massachusetts. It's it's a beautiful, beautiful area, but yeah, you pay the price cuz all those trees,

Caller 4 (01:10:06):
We're a fifth generation farm family farm here and oh wow. Your, your advice that you're gonna have to move someplace else to good. Get better. Internet is not practical, not

Leo Laporte (01:10:19):
Gonna do well. Here's the good news. You you stay there long enough that things are starting to look up.

Caller 4 (01:10:26):
Yeah, that's right. We've formed a MLP and 

Leo Laporte (01:10:29):
Oh, that was good. That's smart. That's

Caller 4 (01:10:33):
Spread work of a, of a local over, very persistent over the last five or six years. We finally have symmetric gigabit fiber to every house in town.

Leo Laporte (01:10:44):
Oh, that's a great story. And how much does that cost you?

Caller 4 (01:10:50):
$85 a month.

Leo Laporte (01:10:51):
Well, worth it well worth it.

Caller 4 (01:10:53):
And that's, you know, we, we, we had to borrow, I think I've forgotten the exact amount now, but it was close to $2 million to wow. To do the

Leo Laporte (01:11:02):
Build out. Yeah. See, this is why those companies don't wanna do that. That's too expensive for them considering what they're gonna make, but this is great when a community gets together and and creates their own internet you know, you buy, you buy the connectivity wholesale and everybody gets involved. I think this is so great.

Caller 4 (01:11:24):
And it's, it's we got hooked up with an ISP that is also a municipal organization, a Westfield mask called whip city fiber. And they are just a tremendous, nice, best experience I've ever had. I nice. I had a, I had a minor problem or question, you know, one night and I called their tech support, which I usually avoid like a plague. And and the guy was, you know, very helpful and

Leo Laporte (01:11:51):
This is a great, this is a great story and everybody should, could take this to heart. You can do this. I mean, you take somebody fairly technical to kinda spearhead it to get the, get the money together and and spearhead it. And that's a lot of money, but if you get enough people, the guy

Caller 4 (01:12:10):
Who was, he was working from home and, and he you know, the satellite internet just doesn't cut. I suffered through that for 20 years. And but you know, if it would force me to learn stuff that I might not have learned otherwise,

Leo Laporte (01:12:24):
It's great. You're lucky you live in Massachusetts because I would guess that there are some states and municipalities where that's illegal due to lobbying from the big internet service providers, the big telcos who don't want you to do your own thing.

Caller 4 (01:12:38):
This was made possible by Massachusetts building the backbone out the mass pike and then up route 91. Awesome. So a lot of the, of the hill towns around here have that opportunity

Leo Laporte (01:12:50):
Now. Well, my grandmother built a house in, in Lennox and I have such fondness for the area. I just you know, that's one of the reasons I couldn't live there. And now that you've doing that, I'm moving to Ashfield baby field, baby <laugh>

Caller 4 (01:13:06):
There's, there's a lot of, a lot of the neighboring towns are doing the same thing. Now we were one of the first

Leo Laporte (01:13:12):
Awesome. But and yeah, the state is supporting it, which is great. That's, that's kind of an important part of it. Well, that's a very happy, what do you raise, Aaron? What kind of farm?

Caller 4 (01:13:25):
We're we're apple growers.

Leo Laporte (01:13:26):
Oh, I

Caller 4 (01:13:28):
Miss we've got about between 50 and fluctuate between 50 and 70 acres of, of apple.

Leo Laporte (01:13:34):
I miss apples in the fall in new England. That was boy. That's the thing I looked forward to. Yeah. Pleasure talking to you. Leo Laporte, the tech guy. Oh man. Do you let people come out and pick their own or 

Caller 4 (01:13:47):
We're we're almost entirely wholesale. And with all of the food safety rules that oh yeah, I pick your own is, is really,

Leo Laporte (01:13:54):
Is that gone

Caller 4 (01:13:55):
More of a pain and pain than we're willing to deal with?

Leo Laporte (01:13:58):
I used to, I used to love doing that. We would do go ahead. We would do that every fall. We'd go up. Cause I lived, grew up in Rhode Island. We'd go pick your own. And then, and then my favorite part was the apple cider. You bring back big jugs, apple cider. Oh, I missed that. Well,

Caller 4 (01:14:14):
We live in, in apple valley. Believe it or not.

Leo Laporte (01:14:17):
Oh nice. It's

Caller 4 (01:14:18):
Been been apple valley since the 17 hundreds and it's, Ashe's divided into apple valley Baptist corner spruce corner, south as and Watson and, and we're in the apple valley part. And it's it's a great place to live, but it's you know where there's, there's not there used, there was when I was a kid, we were, my father was a dairyman. My uncle was the apple grower and we worked together. Oh, that's nice. The last oh, close to 50 years now.

Leo Laporte (01:14:55):
Are you the Clark brothers orchards?

Caller 4 (01:14:58):
That's right.

Leo Laporte (01:14:59):
Oh man. I might move out there. Do you mind? Do you need a neighbor? You need somebody to pick the apples <laugh>

Caller 4 (01:15:07):
Yeah, we definitely do. We, you

Leo Laporte (01:15:08):
You're living the dream

Caller 4 (01:15:09):
Local people to do it anymore. I

Leo Laporte (01:15:11):
Bet not.

Caller 4 (01:15:12):
Yeah, we have guys. We have guys that come up from Jamaica every year to help us do the picking and

Leo Laporte (01:15:17):
Oh, that's interesting. Huh? Huh?

Caller 4 (01:15:21):
Yeah. It's part the H two a program. Good. Which is a whole other story is one of the reasons we are as computerized as we are. There's so much rookie keeping

Leo Laporte (01:15:28):
To keep. Oh, I bet

Caller 4 (01:15:30):
We had, we had to we borrowed money for the first time in a hundred years to, to buy a $300,000 rating machine because

Leo Laporte (01:15:42):
Oh my gosh. With

Caller 4 (01:15:44):
All the, we sell Mo our main customers, whole foods, and we sell to some other places that we're not allowed to talk about.

Leo Laporte (01:15:52):
What, what variety of apples?

Caller 4 (01:15:56):
Well, we grow about 26 different varieties, but there's only about eight of 'em than in quantities for wholesale. And

Leo Laporte (01:16:03):
What's your favorite

Caller 4 (01:16:05):
One is

Leo Laporte (01:16:05):
Honey, honey. Chris. My

Caller 4 (01:16:06):
Favorite. My favorite is probably McOwen.

Leo Laporte (01:16:10):
Oh,

Caller 4 (01:16:10):
Okay. But we have a new one. We have a new one. That is a honey crisp Fuji cross called ever crisp. I actually, and I think that, I think that has better flavor than a, than a a honey crisp I'll look for honey CRUT to me is a little bland.

Leo Laporte (01:16:26):
Yeah. Unfortunately the, you know, the apples, these groceries buy, they want them to, you know, be perfect all year round. So,

Caller 4 (01:16:35):
And they gotta, and they gotta travel. Well, some of the best, best tasting apples don't travel. Right. Well,

Leo Laporte (01:16:40):
You know, that's why I loved going to pick him in the old days. So you said McAllen or McCowen?

Caller 4 (01:16:47):
Mcallen. M a C O U N

Leo Laporte (01:16:48):
O U N.

Caller 4 (01:16:50):
It was discovered originally in, in Canada. It's regional apple and it's.

Leo Laporte (01:16:55):
Oh, it's like a Mac. It's like a little bit like a Macintosh. Oh, that looks good.

Caller 4 (01:17:00):
Macintosh. It's it's CRISPR and sweeter than a Macintosh. I, I, oh my God. They have just a tremendous flavor, but

Leo Laporte (01:17:06):
I love the Macintosh. My Macin. And we've

Caller 4 (01:17:09):
Had to, yeah. Macintosh is a great apple, but it has a bad reputation because so many poor ones are sold in right in stores.

Leo Laporte (01:17:17):
And I don't think they keep very well, but that's what we would always go to pick as a Mac.

Caller 4 (01:17:20):
Yeah. They don't, you don't keep, but the, one of the best apples you'll ever eat is a Macintosh that's ripened down the tree and ready to fall off. Stop

Leo Laporte (01:17:28):
It. <Laugh> not only you have gigabit of ethernet internet. You got app ripe. Macin apples. <Laugh> I'm so jealous.

Caller 4 (01:17:36):
But honey, Chris is what keeps us in business ISN.

Leo Laporte (01:17:38):
Yeah. Yeah. It's that's all I see at whole foods. Yeah. Yeah.

Caller 4 (01:17:42):
Yeah. Whole foods pays us you know, $27 for a bushel of Macintosh and $80 for a bushel of honey crisp. Holy

Leo Laporte (01:17:50):
Cow.

Caller 4 (01:17:51):
You can see what we're doing.

Leo Laporte (01:17:52):
Yeah. You grow the honey crisp. Hey, I gotta run a pleasure. A pleasure. Thank you, Aaron. God bless you all.

Caller 4 (01:17:59):
When you're, when you're visit your mom or just a cop skipping to jump up the road, come visit us.

Leo Laporte (01:18:04):
I will. I will. Oh man. Clark brothers. I'm on my way.

Caller 4 (01:18:10):
Okay. Thanks.

Leo Laporte (01:18:11):
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Chris Marquardt (01:21:58):
Colorful,

Leo Laporte (01:21:59):
Colorful, colorful, like those beautiful apples from the Clark brothers orchards in Ashfield, Massachusetts. Well, all right. Yes. All right. So have you picked some winners? Oh, sorry, not winners. I

Chris Marquardt (01:22:12):
It's not competition. I have, I've picked the ones that I want to talk about. That's perfect. And this is, well, let's have a look at everyone should see their picture.

Leo Laporte (01:22:20):
Oh, they're very colorful. Look

Chris Marquardt (01:22:22):
At the, a few seconds, very colorful pictures. And a lot of them very happy with every everyone who submitted pictures here and I have taken some time looked through all of them and picked three, the first one by user, March 2, 0 1 9 8, 9.

Leo Laporte (01:22:41):
Okay. Get a better name March. <Laugh>

Chris Marquardt (01:22:45):
Vigorous, tropical vigorous, tropical orange sun page. Beautiful.

Leo Laporte (01:22:49):
Beautiful.

Chris Marquardt (01:22:50):
And it's okay, so, so, so, so we're looking at, well, first of all, a beautiful picture close up of, of flowers, but we're looking also at a challenge that cameras, that digital cameras specifically have when it comes to shooting big swaths of the same primary color. And in this case, it's red and red is kind of the most difficult for cameras. And you can see, you can, you can tell that if you look at the, at the pedals, in the center of the picture, they are red, but they are kind of, they lack texture, right? You see on the left ones on the right ones, there's texture in the middle ones, they are just in some areas, just red. And that's what can happen when you, when you get close to something red and you expose a little bit too high, then only the red part of what the sensor captures is getting overexposed. And that's the result of that. So I tend to, I tend to exposure compensate slight little bit down in these kind of cases. Why

Leo Laporte (01:23:49):
Is, why is red so hard?

Chris Marquardt (01:23:55):
Oh, that's a very good question. I guess it has to do with the amount of energy in the spectrum on that side.

Leo Laporte (01:24:00):
I bet that's

Chris Marquardt (01:24:01):
It. Yeah. And it's

Leo Laporte (01:24:02):
Not just still cameras. It's true of video. All digital is video cameras have the same problem. Yes. They just can't

Chris Marquardt (01:24:08):
Get right. The red channel is difficult. Yeah. Yeah. It's very difficult. But still, I mean the, the cameras usually do a good job compensating for that. And in that case, just out of experience, I would just double it a little bit down in exposure and then it, then it, then it, then it really pops. Okay. Second one by Ron Faren, it's a black and white photo of a VW Beatle. <Laugh> with Coca-Cola on it. This must be people on it.

Leo Laporte (01:24:39):
This must be Mexico. I love it. That's great.

Chris Marquardt (01:24:43):
It's some advertising thing, but it's a black, black and white photo, but you instantly, because it's a brand that's recognized all, all over the world you instantly know what the colors are. So you feel the colors in that picture. I found this interesting, cuz it's a

Leo Laporte (01:24:57):
That's right. Speaking of red, it's probably bright red, right?

Chris Marquardt (01:25:02):
Wow. It obviously has to be. Yeah. So it would be weird if it was green or blue. So I found it interesting that you can actually by, by reminding people of something you can conjure up a color without even showing it so

Leo Laporte (01:25:18):
That it's not Mexico, which is funny, but cuz the VW bugs are all over Mexico and so is Coca-Cola but it's looks like Southern California actually <laugh>

Chris Marquardt (01:25:28):
Probably yeah, yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:25:29):
Yeah. Nice. Okay. And

Chris Marquardt (01:25:32):
Last but not least picture by Smith, J 88. Delicious strawberries. Yeah. And what we, we see a bucket of strawberries and so there are a few things about this picture. If you look at the red in that picture, it is a bit underexposed. Yeah. It's a bit darker than than you would typically see it. And that makes all the red very detailed. So, and it makes actually it helps the color saturation, the perceived color saturation goes a bit up in that case. So

Leo Laporte (01:26:03):
This photographer is sophisticated because they knew to do that.

Chris Marquardt (01:26:10):
Or the camera did the right thing in that context.

Leo Laporte (01:26:12):
Oh, it's an iPhone. The camera in the picture. The camera did it. It's an iPhone,

Chris Marquardt (01:26:15):
But camera did a lot of work on that one. Yeah. Let me check. Oh yeah. Even an iPhone at 11. So not even a current one, but you don't need a current one. No, so

Leo Laporte (01:26:25):
Yeah. Beautiful shot. That's a good test of a camera one and

Chris Marquardt (01:26:29):
It is. And the, and the color contrasts in that are interesting. Cuz of course you have primary colors, red and green and those are, those are complimentary colors. So they work really well together. And it, that's a very satisfying picture to look at also the shine on the, on the strawberries, because the light is coming from, from, well, you're looking against the lights or EV all the reflective surfaces are emphasized and that adds liveliness of the picture. So really good job, everyone colors, not that easy, really? Not that easy. Yeah. But well done everyone.

Leo Laporte (01:27:06):
Wow.

Chris Marquardt (01:27:07):
Fantastic. Good selection of

Leo Laporte (01:27:08):
Fantastic.

Chris Marquardt (01:27:09):
And of course, if, if you look at the, at the, at the, the other pictures, there's lots of bird photos in there and crayons and colored

Leo Laporte (01:27:16):
Pencils.

Chris Marquardt (01:27:17):
Yeah, yeah. Color pencils. And 

Leo Laporte (01:27:20):
I love it that you picked the one of the few black and white photos. There were a couple though. Of course I did. There were a couple that's by

Chris Marquardt (01:27:28):
Tub

Leo Laporte (01:27:28):
<Laugh> and I think you even said, you know, it would be interesting if you could do a black and white photo to, for this assignment and a couple of people took you up on that and I'm glad they did. Those are very interesting.

Chris Marquardt (01:27:39):
So

Leo Laporte (01:27:40):
Yeah.

Chris Marquardt (01:27:41):
There's your photos. And now we need another assignment for

Leo Laporte (01:27:44):
Time to get the fish bowl.

Chris Marquardt (01:27:48):
Here's the fishbowl full of adjectives. And I'm going to pull one without looking and it is, oh, that's a simple one. Beautiful,

Leo Laporte (01:28:01):
Beautiful. Okay. That's kind of generic. That gives you a lot of leeway. You, you know, it could be your beautiful daughter could be your beautiful son, your beautiful wife, your beautiful baby, your beautiful dog, a beautiful tree, a beautiful apple. It could be anything, maybe something re

Chris Marquardt (01:28:19):
Anything. Beauty, do

Leo Laporte (01:28:20):
The

Chris Marquardt (01:28:20):
Challenge. They behold

Leo Laporte (01:28:21):
You did the challenge last time to take a black and white photo illustrating color. Let's take a picture of something ugly. That's beautiful. How about that? That's very an inspiration because the ugliest dog contest is coming up in Petaluma a couple of weeks. <Laugh>, it's an annual thing. And these are the ugliest dogs you have ever seen. But if I could take a beautiful picture of an ugly dog, I might even get,

Chris Marquardt (01:28:47):
Oh, I would, next time I would give you, I would give you bonus points for,

Leo Laporte (01:28:51):
For sure. <Laugh> I don't wanna give you any ideas. The point of this is really just to get you out there taking pictures. You don't have to use a fancy camera. In fact, as you saw an iPhone 11 works just fine. Use your camera, phone, whatever you want. Take a, an image that illustrates the word, the concept, the idea beautiful in your mind. I mean, we're not gonna tell you when you find something you like though, and you could submit this tune be four weeks. So you can submit up to four photos one per week. You wanna upload it to flicker. Flicker.Com is a photo sharing site, free to join cost. You nothing for up to a thousand photos. Chris and I like to support 'em. So we're pro members, but you don't have to be to do this. We have a tech guy group on flicker, you'll know it's to the right tech guy group, cuz there's tens of thousands of members.

Leo Laporte (01:29:39):
Once you get there tag it, it's very important. So we know it's a submission for this month's assignment, TG, beautiful TG for tech guy, TG beautiful and Brene Silverman. Who's the moderator of the tech guy group will accept it in the, for on behalf of the group and all the other groups members will look at it and comment on it's. One of the nice things about flicker is it's a good way to get some feedback. People are generous and gentle and get some feedback on your photography. Another way to get feedback is to go to senday.photo se N S E i.photo marks there along with other photographers, giving you coaching and training and help and support and all of that there's photo workshops soon. You'll be back on the road. I hope. Yes, I'm working on that. I know. I pressure you every time. I'm gonna go to Bhutan. That's all I'm just saying. I'm just saying sensei, S E S se.photo. Chris also has some great photo books and don't forget his podcast. One of the oldest podcasts out there, definitely one of the best TF ttf.com tips from the top floor. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Leah to you.

Leo Laporte (01:30:56):
Nice images. I like that. Appreciate that. I always get a little teary when I hear this happy Juneteenth, eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number back to the phones. We go. David's on the line from another beautiful part of the country. Plattsburgh New York. Hello David.

Caller 5 (01:31:21):
Yes. Good day, sir. Happy father's day to you.

Leo Laporte (01:31:23):
Happy father's day to you too.

Caller 5 (01:31:26):
You need to come up here in September the 11th.

Leo Laporte (01:31:30):
Okay.

Caller 5 (01:31:31):
It's the anniversary of the battle of Plattsburgh and the war of 18, 12th of September 11th, 1814. We have a big celebration up here because we turned back the B big British invasion from Canada.

Leo Laporte (01:31:45):
Awesome. I knew I loved Plattsburgh. <Laugh>

Caller 5 (01:31:49):
Yeah. There's there's a reenactors.

Leo Laporte (01:31:55):
Oh, how fun? Oh, how fun. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I love upper New York state as much as I love Western mass. Those they're, they're kind of related. It's all just beautiful trees and lakes and it's just gorgeous. Just gorgeous. You're practically on the Canadian line.

Caller 5 (01:32:11):
Well, it's about 30 miles. Yeah. And, but I'm sitting right here looking at Lacey, playing out my back window here.

Leo Laporte (01:32:16):
Oh, how gorgeous.

Caller 5 (01:32:18):
And that's it. I'm in Plattsburgh bay is where they had the big Naval battle.

Leo Laporte (01:32:23):
Well, you know, I would love to come out, you know, September 11th. I'll it's an easy date to remember.

Caller 5 (01:32:28):
Yeah. Well they start, they start a couple of days before because there was other stuff moving up to it. You know, they had like 12,000 British troops here. Wow. And, and then they had a fleet come down.

Leo Laporte (01:32:40):
Do they reenact? Is it that big a reenactment? I mean, do they, they don't have 12 reenacters huh?

Caller 5 (01:32:47):
No

Leo Laporte (01:32:49):
Coat

Caller 5 (01:32:51):
Have a nice free about it. And you know, just go on donations, but it tells the history of the battles.

Leo Laporte (01:33:00):
Nice. Did you grow up in Plattsburgh? Are you a native?

Caller 5 (01:33:03):
No, I'm not. No. Just moved here. Nice. About

Leo Laporte (01:33:06):
Five years ago, the Adirondacks are, are totally gorgeous. Really nice. Yeah.

Caller 5 (01:33:10):
It's gorgeous. So, anyway, my problem is I have a, a Samsung G seven.

Leo Laporte (01:33:18):
Okay.

Caller 5 (01:33:19):
And I've lost some text messages. Oh no. I wanted to way of getting them back.

Leo Laporte (01:33:34):
Boy, not that I know of. How did you lose them? Did you delete them?

Caller 5 (01:33:39):
I don't. No. I was very careful about not deleting 'em but they fell off. I don't know how

Leo Laporte (01:33:44):
I just disappeared. Huh?

Caller 5 (01:33:45):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:33:47):
Well you can any Android phone, including the Samsungs. You can connect to a computer. You have a windows PC.

Caller 5 (01:33:57):
Yeah. Yeah. My, my I've got an apple and my girlfriend's got a, got a

Leo Laporte (01:34:01):
It's easier with windows, apple than Samsung.

Caller 5 (01:34:04):
You got. Yeah, she has.

Leo Laporte (01:34:06):
Now it's a little easier with that. Samsung. The windows has drivers for this, for the Android phones on a, on a Mac. You need to download something from Samsung, which is perfectly fine. You can download called keys. K I E S. And it basically is the driver so that you can look at the hard drive as if, or as the phone as if it were a drive. And that's the key because if you can see the phone and you can see it as if it were a USB drive mounted on your computer, then you can do a couple of things. First thing I would do is, is browse around. Look around, there might be a trash bin. There might be other places where that message might be stored. I would, for sure, before you do anything else, copy the contents of the phone preferably with a disc image or something like a Cronus, true image, copy the phone into an image on your drive. That way anything you're gonna do next you won't lose any, any precious data because the next thing you can do, if you don't find those messages is run an UN eraser program. This is kind of more, this is, we're getting a little technical here and I'm not sure how technical you are and how much you want to go in down this road. But that's what I, and you know, if you don't wanna do it, you could bring it into somebody who could do it.

Caller 5 (01:35:23):
Let me ask you a quick question. I can go to your tech guy labs.com and go to show 1904 and get all these instructions.

Leo Laporte (01:35:31):
I'll put, I'll put a, I'll put some links up. I'll put a link to Samsung's keys program, which lets you download the data or ma what you wanna do is Mount the phone as a USB drive. Then you could do anything you would do to a drive that you've lost some data on. First thing, of course stick through it. You

Caller 5 (01:35:48):
Wanna okay? You wanna Mount what?

Leo Laporte (01:35:50):
You're gonna the phone. You're gonna take the phone, get a cable that plugs into the computer.

Caller 5 (01:35:55):
Right? I've got those.

Leo Laporte (01:35:57):
Yep. It probably came with a phone. You plug it into the computer and then you'll see it. And phone will say, well, do you wanna be a MTP or a mass storage device? What do you wanna be? You wanna be a mass storage device? You wanna be a, a drive? Not a, not a phone. Okay. Not a camera storage. So you wanna be a mass storage device and then that'll show up then on your, on your desktop, like another, like when you plug in a USB drive or USB thumb drive, you see that Mount on the desktop. Now you can open it up and you can go through it. First thing I do is go through it to kinda look at what you got. You might also wanna make a copy of it just to make sure you don't lose it. This is what you would do. And you know, but, and if you brought it to the, the geek squad or somebody, maybe there's somebody, hopefully there's somebody in, in Plattsburgh. Who's kind of a, you know, you want the shade tree mechanic of technology. You know what I'm saying? The guy, yeah, they

Caller 5 (01:36:48):
Close. They close the best buy here.

Leo Laporte (01:36:50):
Yeah, of course they did

Caller 5 (01:36:51):
In Burlington.

Leo Laporte (01:36:52):
See if you can find some guy it's better than the geek squad, cuz I don't even know if they'll handle this, but if you could find some guy who's a computer w who opened a little storefront fly speck little storefront. It's been there for 20 years. He's got a computer from 1998 in the front. <Laugh> but he likes taking stuff apart. He will know how to do this. Cuz the next thing you wanna do is is, is, is see if there is, see what the erased files are on there, cuz it's possible. I mean, again, this depends on how much you want this message back, but it's possible if it was erased that at least, you know, the way computers work, they don't erase the data. They just say, Hey, you can reuse this spot. It's not in use anymore. So for, for some time that data will stay there until somebody else reuses the sectors.

Leo Laporte (01:37:39):
So that's why the first thing you do is you make a copy after you'll dig through it and you don't see it. You make a copy of it so that anything you're gonna do with an UN eraser is, can be reversed because sometimes these can be destructive and then you want to go through it and see if you can find it. Oh look, scooter X at, at the ready he's done a little Googling and he's found and we will put this on the website on the tech guy, labs.com a company called Samsung messages backup that can recover deleted messages. Oh my golly. Gosh. So Samsung,

Caller 5 (01:38:18):
Samsung,

Leo Laporte (01:38:19):
Samsung messages, dash backup.com. How to recover, deleted messages on Android without backup using Android data recovery. So they actually, and there's a Mac version and there's a windows version.

Caller 5 (01:38:33):
Okay. Samsung dash message. What?

Leo Laporte (01:38:36):
Samsung dash messages. Plural Uhhuh backup. I mean, sorry. Dash backup

Caller 5 (01:38:45):
Com okay. Minute after messages is dash backup.

Leo Laporte (01:38:48):
Yeah, that's right.

Caller 5 (01:38:50):
Backup.

Leo Laporte (01:38:51):
Yeah. We'll put in the show notes.

Caller 5 (01:38:53):
Yeah, backup. Okay. And then what after

Leo Laporte (01:38:57):
Backup.Com and if you go in there, you'll see, they actually sell a product a backup product, but they also have a page how to effectively recover, deleted text messages on Android. So it's it's in their resources. Easiest thing to do is go to the show notes, take me a little while to get them up there. Micah and our John Ashley, our team will get those links up there before tomorrow or the next day takes 'em a all time. But those links will include a link to this page. And it's essentially what I told you, but it's maybe a little clearer and simpler to follow these step by step instructions. So you can in fact, Mount the phone, treat it as a hard drive, recover, deleted files. And that's what you're gonna want to do. The nice thing about this, you don't have to take it over to some shade tree computer mechanic. You can do it yourself. It looks like they offer the program to do this. This is their program. Cool. Android recovery. They call it. <Laugh> cool. They like the dashes here at Samsung messages back up. Cool. Dash Android dash recovery dot XY. So yeah, it looks like that'll that'll tiny little program will do what you want. 88 88. Ask Leo. Now, you know why we have the show notes? It's much easier. Just put a link up there. Take more of your calls coming up right after this word from your local stations.

Leo Laporte (01:40:38):
Well, Hey, Hey. Hey. How are you today? Leo LePort here. The tech guy, time to talk computers, the internet, home theater, digital photography. We got your smart phones or we got your smart watches. We got all that jazz. Eighty eight eighty eight ask Leo that's the phone number? (888) 827-5536. Toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada outside that area. Yeah, you can still reach us, but it's gonna take some ingenuity. You gotta use Skype or something like that to call using Skype out some sort of voice over the internet solution that will call a landline. And then it shouldn't cost you anything. Once you figure that all out. 88 88 ask Leo back to the phones. We go Naples. Florida's on the line. Carine. Hi Carine.

Caller 6 (01:41:29):
Hey Leo. How are you today? I

Leo Laporte (01:41:30):
Am very well. How are you?

Caller 6 (01:41:32):
Oh, pretty good. I'm playing in the world series of poker in Vegas in a you're

Leo Laporte (01:41:36):
Getting, oh, how exciting.

Caller 6 (01:41:38):
It'll be great.

Leo Laporte (01:41:39):
Is this your first time or 

Caller 6 (01:41:41):
Yeah, first time in the main event. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:41:43):
Oh man. I'll be rooting for you.

Caller 6 (01:41:45):
Yeah. So, you know, I, now

Leo Laporte (01:41:47):
Let me ask you before you get into this. Yeah, yeah. I got all sorts of questions. I watch this, I love the world series of poker. So you're going to Vegas, right? Is that where it is this year or

Caller 6 (01:41:57):
Yeah. Yeah. At valleys

Leo Laporte (01:41:58):
At, at valleys. Yeah, of course. That's where they have the, the whole, the gold watch and all that. Oh, that's exciting. What is, what is the Andy, what do you have to put in to begin? $10,000 to play?

Caller 6 (01:42:11):
Yeah, it's still, it's still 10,000. It's been like that since 1978. They haven't changed it. But yeah, you can win up to 10 million if you get first place.

Leo Laporte (01:42:19):
So fantastic. Now how many rounds, how long does it go on?

Caller 6 (01:42:23):
It goes on for 10 days. Believe it or not

Leo Laporte (01:42:26):
Now, did you get good playing at real tables with real people? Cuz nowadays I think a lot of people playing in the professional poker learned on computers.

Caller 6 (01:42:35):
Well, yeah, so I, I got into it right after you know, the, those sites went down, the DOJ shut down full and all that. Yeah. So I got actually got into it a year after that. Okay. So I, I have nothing but personal. I have nothing, but in person the

Leo Laporte (01:42:49):
Real exper I think I, I don't understand how you could play full till poker and learn how to read players. And I think that's so important, right?

Caller 6 (01:42:57):
Yeah, exactly.

Leo Laporte (01:42:59):
Yeah. I'm not a terrible poker player by the way. I <laugh>, I can't, you know, you could tell exactly what I'm thinking, but are you, do you have some do you gonna wear sunglasses, a cap? Are you gonna

Caller 6 (01:43:11):
No. No, I'm just, I'm just go how I normally play. It's gonna be exciting. There's about 20,000 people from 50 countries or so, so it's gonna be

Leo Laporte (01:43:20):
Fun. I am so excited for you. Yeah. Good luck. I would, yeah. Thanks. It's it's not just luck though. You know, there's a huge amount of skill in

Caller 6 (01:43:27):
This. Yeah, for sure. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:43:29):
For sure.

Caller 6 (01:43:29):
Great. I mean, so there's an off chance that I might get on TV and there's streaming it on paramount plus. Right. Okay. So, so I have parents that are not particularly tech savvy to put a Miley. And I was wondering, I'm not sure this is legal, but I was wondering if there's any possible way I can get that stream off of that paramount plus and put down like a DVD for them, if I'm lucky enough to get on

Leo Laporte (01:43:53):
TV. Oh, interesting. So they're not gonna offer it on demand later. You have to watch it live.

Caller 6 (01:43:59):
Yes. That's

Leo Laporte (01:44:01):
Ah, golly. Oh yeah. There's ways you can, you can I think there's ways you can record it. Let me think. So you're gonna watch it on a Roku or an apple TV. What are they gonna play it back on the computer?

Caller 6 (01:44:17):
Yeah. So I mean I have a friend's house that has, has an apple TV that I can kind of set it up where I can get this downloaded for them,

Leo Laporte (01:44:23):
But you can do it on a computer. Right. Cause if you can then recording, it is easy. If you can do it on a computer,

Caller 6 (01:44:29):
Right. I can. So you can log into paramount plus on a, on a PC.

Leo Laporte (01:44:33):
I think you can, let me, let me just look, but I believe you can. I love paramount. Plus I got into it because of Yellowstone and now I, you know, I can never leave. Oh,

Caller 6 (01:44:41):
That's an excellent.

Leo Laporte (01:44:42):
Oh my golly. Gosh. Yeah. Kevin Costner and, oh my,

Caller 6 (01:44:46):
Oh, he's so good in that.

Leo Laporte (01:44:47):
Yeah. So it's yeah, yeah. I think you can watch it live on the computer if that's the case. Yeah. You can. If that's the case there are numerous programs that will take a live stream coming into your computer and capture him to the hard drive. So that's gonna be trivial. It would be a little harder on an apple TV. Let me see. I'm just gonna plus watch now and okay. Don't miss out on your favorites. Enable notifications watch now. Yeah, you could stream it live. I'm streaming it right now. So that's good. So now all you have to do is capture it and there are lots of ways to capture a screen. You know, honestly, any screen recorder will capture it, but there are even, and I'm not sure what kind of protection paramount plus puts on there. You know, they probably don't want you to capture it, but they're, there's not much they can do cuz it's it's on your computer. So I don't know if YouTube downloader will work. There are a lot of programs. Let me just see if YouTube DL will work. There are a lot of programs that would do this. Youtube DL is YouTube, dl.org. It's free, it's open source. It's designed for downloading from YouTube. But it can download from a lot of streaming sites. This is the kind of thing you're gonna wanna figure out, obviously before you leave, how long before you leave?

Caller 6 (01:46:11):
I leave on July July 4th, actually.

Leo Laporte (01:46:13):
Okay. Wow. I'm excited for you. <Laugh> do you have a nickname or you like the, the kid, the, the, the kid from Naples or something or anything?

Caller 6 (01:46:22):
<Laugh> well, I used to live in Illinois, so I just moved here about a couple years ago. Okay. So, but so if I get, if I make it to day three or four, I think I'll probably be on TV, but we'll see.

Leo Laporte (01:46:34):
Oh, this is exciting. Yeah. Yeah, I would start with YouTube dl.org. It is an open source program, so it's free. It downloads, they say from thousands of sites. That's why they're getting sued in Germany. <Laugh> it's you know, what, if you're paying for paramount plus I don't really see it's the, the illegality is very gray and you certainly aren't gonna go to jail for it. So

Caller 6 (01:47:04):
I'm, I'm just giving it to my parents. I'm not gonna sell that. You yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:47:06):
You're not, if you were that's the that's, what they're scared of is that you're gonna record Yellowstone, burn it to DVDs, put a blanket out on the lawn and sell it and you're not doing that. So I, I think this is harmless. So try YouTube DL, if that does not work, though, there are literally dozens of programs that will record the screen for, cause everybody wants to do this. Right, right. So I, I don't think that's gonna be a problem. The VLC might do it. The that's also free another open source project that I always recommend for playing back videos. There's just a lot of programs for that. And paramount plus is cheap. They, I can't imagine that they care that you're gonna record this for your parents, honestly. That's great. They are, they proud? That's that's really cool.

Caller 6 (01:47:52):
Are

Leo Laporte (01:47:53):
They? What are they proud of you?

Caller 6 (01:47:54):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, this is the first time I'm try. So, I mean, if I get knocked down in day one, I hope I don't do that. I, you know, oh, you know, I have a friend that was the first one knocked out of like 18.

Leo Laporte (01:48:04):
It can happen. Right. You

Caller 6 (01:48:05):
Know? Yeah. So

Leo Laporte (01:48:07):
You draw to an inside straight, you got knocked out on the river and it's all over. Yeah. It's all over. You know, if you're playing at the tables, you know, it's, you can have a bad day, but on the other hand, you wouldn't be putting up $10,000 if you didn't feel pretty confident. So.

Caller 6 (01:48:22):
Right. Exactly. So's so great. We'll we'll see how we'll see how it goes, Leo. I appreciate it. And they keep up the good work.

Leo Laporte (01:48:29):
All right. Carine is that I guess I'll just look for a car. Mine at the tables. There can't be many of you.

Caller 6 (01:48:34):
Yeah. It's there's not too. I don't think it's popular name. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:48:39):
All Carmine, the kid from Moline. We're gonna watch. It's exciting. He's gonna be playing in the world series of poker. It's you know, what's funny. Who would, if, if you'd asked me 20 years ago, you think you'd ever wanna watch poker on TV? I'd probably say that sounds really boring, but once they got those whole card cams and you know what they're holding onto, you can watch 'em bluff. That's fun. That's so much

Caller 6 (01:49:04):
Fun. Yeah. I've played, I've played in a couple TV events where they actually, they have special cards where they have the readers in some kind of type of chip in the card.

Leo Laporte (01:49:13):
I figured now, because I don't see the whole card cam anymore, but they do know what the guy's holding. So yeah, I guess that's,

Caller 6 (01:49:18):
It's like a chip. It's like a, it's like a high tech that

Leo Laporte (01:49:21):
Makes sense. They have the card. Of course there's a little R F I D in there and yeah. And they can read it and they know exactly what you got. That's awesome. Yeah. Cuz sometimes the whole cart came. They do it so fast, you know, <laugh> you can't see what it is. Hey, good luck Carine. That's awesome. I'll be watching. Thanks. And so are your folks YouTube? Dl.Org is a great tool. They are constantly, you know, getting in trouble. It's not illegal, it's not illegal, but they are constantly getting in trouble for a while. Github took 'em down, remember and they put 'em back up and so forth, but it's out there right now. And I think that would probably do it. It really all it's doing, you know, when you're streaming video or audio or anything those packets are coming to your computer.

Leo Laporte (01:50:05):
And the only difference between streaming and downloading is the computer throws 'em out. After it plays it downloading, it can play it or not, but it saves them to the hard drive. So a program like YouTube DL just says, okay I see these packets coming in. Let me just save those to the drive. That's all easy. Easy to do. Eighty eight eighty eight, ask Leo that's the phone number? I'm <laugh>. If you're playing in the world series of poker, if you've got a dog in the kennel club show, whatever, I'll help you. Leo LePort the tech guy, more calls coming up. Space guy, rod pile, just around the corner. I love that call.

Leo Laporte (01:50:46):
I'm playing in the world. Series of poker. Do you play poker rod? <Laugh> not well not, well are you doing, I, you know, we had a neighborhood. It's the most fun thing to do with guys, cuz you know guys, we can't hang out without doing something cuz otherwise well that way we could be revolting with a purpose, right? Yeah, exactly. But I used to love my poker night. We, it was so much fun. I loved that. I'll hop in the car and start driving now. Let's do it. Hey kind of excited about your rebranding going on your album. Art is not gonna change much cuz we just made it. Yeah, no that's fresh, but, but the other stuff looks great. Do you like it? Your logo looks great. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's, you know, it's I love the tech guy. That's my favorite.

Leo Laporte (01:51:30):
Well, and they're, they're bold and simple, which is something that's what we're trying to rebranding efforts. Exactly. And you're trying to explain to other people like, oh, say in certain space non-profits or something you're trying to explain to other people, you know, we need to keep this bold and simple. Not just so it's quick to apprehend visually, but so that you can stitch it on a ball cap exactly. Or whatever you gotta do letterhead. And they're like, yeah, but it doesn't tell the whole story. No, no, I can't. I can't. It's not the purpose. Yeah. When I got that advice from a graphic designer, very like when I was looking for a logo for twit. Yeah. And it was the best advice ever. He said, you know, you gotta be able to put it on a ball cap. I said, okay, I got it.

Leo Laporte (01:52:09):
Okay. And it, and it's not there to, to it's it's it's the TV guide entry or the tweet. Right. It's not the whole story. Right. It's just there to, I elicit the emotional connection and, but that's, what's been fun about doing this album art yeah. Is trying to find and they'll so that we have a great design team clutch they're called and yeah. They have me do like a word cloud of the show and yeah. You were saying that on the twig I think. Yeah. So like this, I said, RKO, you know, gives a radio show and then they looked at you like what's an RKO, right? Wait till you see the twig thing cuz it's very SA bass and I, is it, you know? And I heard you say that and I thought nobody's gonna know what SA bass I know, but you do designers.

Leo Laporte (01:52:56):
Do I think is somebody calling my name? Laura? Did you say Leo? Okay. Nevermind. <Laugh> the old guy. I thought I heard Leo didn't SA bass do the James bun, cable sequences. But the, but he's best known for oh, what did he, you know, it's it like? North by Northwest, I think the right, right. Very stylized. So brilliant. If you look up SA bass you'll see it, but the one anatomy of a murder, the one that when I saw their design, I said that looks like the man with the golden arm. Cause it's got these weird hands in it. And it came from the word cloud was it's like a twig is like a family sitting around a dinner table fighting <laugh> sometimes agreeing. That's pretty good. Sometimes fighting. So they made there's no table, but these it's really, I thought it was so cute and it's very retro, but yeah, we were look, I'm glad you like it. We were looking for something very graphical and bold and clear. And they got it when I said that and they yeah, they really did it. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes we even talk about Google <laugh>. Yeah. Google actually, now that I didn't know this, but they did a Google doodle for SA bass and it's exactly looks exactly like this week in Google. Oh my God. That's perfect.

Leo Laporte (01:54:31):
Love your shirt by the way. Father's a gift from Lisa going bold. Oh, okay. Yep. She knows my taste. Wow. I, I didn't get one yet. I'm gonna have to complain to the management around you. Do you have kids? I forgot. I have a son. Yeah. How old's your son? He's 26. Just like my son and just went off and changed jobs for the third or fourth time. Oh, that's graduated college and these kids big, big fat Ray and now makes more than I do. Oh, which is embarrassing. That's awesome. All right. Be with you in a bit. Is this gonna be about a father? Oh <laugh> this is Juneteenth. It's confusing. It's father's day and Juneteenth. The 19th day of June the day the slaves in Texas learned that they were free and a celebration all over the country. Particularly for people of African descent. But if I think for all of us, we can celebr. Freedom's a good thing to celebrate. Yeah. 88 88, ask Leo 88, 8 8 2 7 5 5, 3, 6, toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada. Cheryl's on the line. Our next caller from marina valley, California. Hello Cheryl.

Caller 6 (01:55:44):
Hi Neil. It's not really bothering me, but it's bothering me. Okay. I got it. Right.

Leo Laporte (01:55:52):
But you know what, before you go on

Caller 6 (01:55:54):
<Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:55:55):
A little bit of a bother is a big bother.

Caller 6 (01:55:59):
Yeah. And

Leo Laporte (01:56:00):
We, and we with computers and technology, especially, there's always these little niggling problems that kind of are there and they bug you and then they, and then it's like death by a thousand cuts because you get one and two and three and they're too small to fix, but they annoy you. And pretty soon you just not having any fun. So let's fix

Caller 6 (01:56:19):
This. You just gotta call you.

Leo Laporte (01:56:20):
Then you call me. That's what I'm here for. Yeah.

Caller 6 (01:56:23):
Yeah. Okay. I remember long time ago, the phone, some kind of phone you could PA like almost, almost touch phones and the phone number. The first you could get it on your phone. You didn't have to actually you

Leo Laporte (01:56:36):
Just like press the number two the long and then pound sign and it would dial their number speed dial. Okay. Is that what you're talking about?

Caller 6 (01:56:44):
No. Well, that's not what happened to me, but that's little baby kind of, I took the Uber ride and it was like a Indian guy. And when I got the, my appoint, I had another Uber, same thing got home. And my whole phone was in Hebrew.

Leo Laporte (01:57:07):
Wait, wait a minute. Wait a minute. You had a phone. It was in English. You got an, got an Uber ride. And when you got home, your phone was in Hebrew.

Caller 6 (01:57:15):
Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:57:17):
Now did he get ahold of your phone?

Caller 6 (01:57:20):
Well, he I'm old. So sometimes I don't.

Leo Laporte (01:57:23):
Oh, so he said, well, let me see this ma'am and I'll figure out where you're going.

Caller 6 (01:57:27):
He might have said, let me put my number in your phone so I could call, oh,

Leo Laporte (01:57:31):
That's hysterical. So I have a friend I used to work with. We would do round table shows and he would sit next to me and say, Hey Leo, can I see your phone? And foolish me? I'd say yes. Every time he changed the language on my phone every time. And sometimes he would change it to non Roman characters like Hebrew or Russian and CLIC, which makes it really hard to get it back because you don't know what you're looking at. If it's French, you might be able to figure it out. But good luck with Hebrew. First of all, not, not only is it not a Roman alphabet. It's right to left. It's backwards.

Caller 6 (01:58:08):
It's squiggles.

Leo Laporte (01:58:10):
It's backwards. Squiggles. Yeah, it used to, it just drove me crazy. It drove me crazy and he did it every time and I fell for it. That's the sad thing I fell for it every time now. <Laugh> I doubt this driver. Did he have the phone for a long time?

Caller 6 (01:58:25):
I don't even, I don't really think he did because I now I think I'd remember that. I think I would.

Leo Laporte (01:58:31):
Yeah. What kind of phone is it? One of them.

Caller 6 (01:58:35):
It's a government phone. A WinCo. W I K O

Leo Laporte (01:58:39):
W I K O. Okay. And it's but is it a smartphone? Does it have like a screen on it or, yeah. Yeah. It's a smartphone. I wonder. I mean, it would be, it would <laugh> it's possible. He was punking you <laugh> oh cause it takes, these are Android phones. You certainly can go in the settings. What's interesting about these WICO phones is it's a French company and they're very popular in Israel. So it might be that he didn't do anything, but somehow triggered this phone to go into, into Hebrew. That's hysterical. That is Hyster. I mean, not hysterical to you. You can't use it right? Can you use it?

Caller 6 (01:59:38):
Well, I, what I saw, I knew my mind is okay. So I went into the languages and I put English all good. Good. And everything was but not Google, Google, Google

Leo Laporte (01:59:54):
Still thinks you're in Israel.

Caller 6 (01:59:57):
The answer would be in Hebrew.

Leo Laporte (01:59:59):
<Laugh> okay. That I can fix. Oh, who?

Caller 6 (02:00:02):
Well then I did, I went to language as a kid, but I went to Hebrew and like I was pretending I could be Hebrew and wanted to switch the Hebrew English and it clears it up. But is there a, have to be heard of anything like

Leo Laporte (02:00:19):
That? Yeah. Well, so Google, if it gets confused about your location, I think this comes down to the fact that it's this week of phone and and it's widely used in the middle east. And I so Google, when you, when you when you if you were, for instance, if I go to France right now and I go to google.com, Google looks at my internet address and goes, no, no, you are in France. You need Google. And it will suddenly they'll be in French. So that's that Google will do that. There is, if that happens@thebottomofgoogle.com at the page, there is a way to change that to your country of origin. So if it was just Google, but I think the phone

Caller 6 (02:01:03):
Scary

Leo Laporte (02:01:04):
<Laugh> it is, you know what, it's a it's I don't think he did it cuz that's why would he do that? That's crazy. And was he, was he from Israel?

Caller 6 (02:01:13):
Well, yeah, he, well, I don't know where he was from, but he, you know, looked Indian or

Leo Laporte (02:01:17):
Okay. So that's really fascinating to me. I think it's a bug in the phone car.

Caller 6 (02:01:23):
Do it, could a car do it. I mean

Leo Laporte (02:01:27):
Yeah. I mean, what if your phone? Yes. You know what it could, what if, I mean, this is a very complicated scenario, but if he had in his phone a he had a wifi in his car coming off, say his phone hotspot. He did. Did you join his wifi?

Caller 6 (02:01:48):
Well, I'm, I'm sure they did because you know, they have to,

Leo Laporte (02:01:52):
Yeah, he might. So he might have, as a convenience, the customers have wifi in his car and it might be that that wifi was using something called a VPN, which said, oh, you're not in Marino valley, California. You're in Tel Aviv, Israel buddy, in which case the phone would go, oh, that's great. And solo. And here we go. And so it's very possible that that happened. I'm so impressed though. Cheryl, that you figured out, even though the whole phone is in Hebrew, kind of had to figured out how to get it back into English. So it's all better, right?

Caller 6 (02:02:30):
Yeah. It's all better. I just didn't know.

Leo Laporte (02:02:32):
I'm Cheryl a hat. You're a genius. No, it's not a hack. It's just a confused phone. That's all Leo, the point, the tech guy, rod pile coming up. That's hysterical, but you're but I'm so impressed that you figured that out and solved it.

Caller 6 (02:02:48):
Oh, thank you. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:02:49):
That's really good.

Caller 6 (02:02:52):
I'll break the throw against walk.

Leo Laporte (02:02:53):
Well, let me tell you when Devork used to do that though. My phone, I, I would go I'm I don't know what John <laugh>. I would go, John, what did you do? So you could, people could do it as a prank, but I don't think your Uber driver did that. I think somehow the phone thought it was in Israel and because it's a phone that is widely used in Israel it just said, yeah, no problem. We'll just go. We'll just go onto who Hebrew <laugh> and I think, but what's impressive. Is it, to me, is that you figured it out and you got it all working.

Caller 6 (02:03:26):
Oh, and I don't know anything about that.

Leo Laporte (02:03:28):
Well, you can't really, you don't get to say that anymore. I know. You're I'm gonna give you, I have a little stamp here. You are officially the Leo Laporte geek of the week.

Caller 6 (02:03:39):
All

Leo Laporte (02:03:40):
Right. I'm stamping your passport right there. Welcome to the club.

Caller 6 (02:03:46):
That's great.

Leo Laporte (02:03:48):
Very I'm very impressed.

Caller 6 (02:03:49):
So good happen.

Leo Laporte (02:03:51):
<Laugh> Cheryl, such a pleasure talking to you. Thank you. I'm glad you called. That was a that's fascinating.

Caller 6 (02:03:57):
Oh, me too. I had to figure out the phone number. You had to go, you know, the letters and numbers and

Leo Laporte (02:04:02):
Oh, I know that too. 88, 88 ask Leo. I know. I know. Well, I'm glad you did call anytime. Okay?

Caller 6 (02:04:10):
Okay.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:04:10):
Have a all right, dear to you. Thank you. Bye. Thank you byebye. That's the cutest thing I ever heard of. Oh my God. So rod, are you doing anything for a vacation this summer? I am supposed to go up to an Arctic research base in August for three weeks. Can you take my wife? <Laugh> now that's an invitation. I don't think I've heard in a really long time. She weirdly enough yesterday. She said we haven't been in the Arctic circle. Oh no kidding. I said, you mean Antarctica? She said, no, no. I wanna go to the Arctic circle. The Arctic. Yeah. So this is a place, a friend of mine guy named Pascal. We've had him on the podcast is a planetary scientist. And years ago he got some money from NASA and built this Mars simulation base up on Devin island, which is, I guess the largest uninhabited island in the world up next to the north pole.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:05:11):
Wow. So we're gonna go up there for a couple of weeks. How do you get at that's the plan? Oh, you have to take commercial flight to somewhere in Canada. Then you take a puddle jumper up to point resolute and then you or resolute bay, I guess it is. And then you take another flight to none of it. And then you take a military flight up to this place. Holy it's kind of amazing, but you know, I'm not getting any younger. I gotta do these things while I can. I'm so jealous, hitting that check off list. Oh, I'm so jealous. I want you, I wanna do that too. That's cool. All right. We'll set it up for the wait for the next year. Here it is. Whoops. That's wrong? Oops.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:05:48):
Here they are exploring beautiful downtown Nunavut. <Laugh> okay. That's that's actually a different base. Oh, so this one's called the Howton H AU G H T O N. Houghton Mars project. That one's the Mars society. So it's, it's interesting. How, who would've thought there'd be two Mars bases. I know. I know. Well, it's just that good a place, you know, cuz it's a good simulation. <Laugh> cotton Mars project. Yeah, I got it. There you go. All right, here we go. We're just in time. Wow. Wow. And they got like six buildings and ATVs. Is it it cold Rover markup. It is in the winter. In the summer. It can be in the sixties. Oh, I mean warmer every year. Right? I hear Mars as cold as hell. It's also no place to raise a kid. I've heard to raise a kid on father's day <laugh> rod pile.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:06:40):
He is the author of space. 2.0 amazing stories of the space age, the inter planetary robots. He is the author of blueprint for a battle star. This guy writes books like crazy. He's also the inner chief of ad Astra magazine space.ns.org, and a proud Papa. Hello rod and, and a proud member of the, of the twit family on the podcast. You so kindly provided. So thank you this week in Spain. Yes. And last week we talked about the best and worst space shows of all time. You mean like sci-fi space shows. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm hoping to get some interesting fan mail from that. <Laugh> what did you say was the worst people? Oh, I think star lost, which was, it's gonna be hard to pick the worst cuz there's so many bad ones. Well, I mean there's homeboys outer space. You can kind of figure that one out right up front.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:07:36):
But there was this show, nobody called cart, fresh prince of bell air meets the homeboys of outer space meets plan nine from outer space and together it's a show, but so star lost. Nobody saw it. It was the first appearance of cure delay. After 2001 space odysey was terrible. Oh. But radar men from the moon when you and I were little, which was a bunch of, you know, two or three model shots and then half an hour of guys running around would SNB those 30 eights and fedoras. It was just miserable, but that's not what we're here to talk about. Well, well wait, you can't stop now. What was the best? Oh, I think you know, star Trek Battlestar. Galacia the reboot? Not what about the new apple TV? The expanse. Oh, for all mankind for all mankind. Is that in there? So for all mankind.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:08:24):
Oh yeah. Yeah. And that's Ronald D. Moore who is also the key force behind some of the star Trek iterations and Battlestar Galactica. So it's kind of a continuum there for all. Have you watched any for all mankind? Yeah, I started the first season. It kind of slowed down. Apparently it's gotten really good in season three. So here I have a, I have a little bit of it. We can, we can play a little bit of it while you're, while you're talking. We're looking at is radar in for the moon. Amanda Cody. Yeah. I remember this, that my childhood dial on it that says up down and off <laugh> there's only, there's only three directions when you're radar man, for that simple. I remember this was a serial, I think when I went to the movies. Yeah. I think it was a serial that it was yeah.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:09:12):
Commander Cody and the lost planet airman. And it's amazing when something's boring, even when you're eight years old, you know <laugh> and I remember as a kid thinking this isn't how space works, but anyway, you here talk about something, vision to space history. So yeah. That's why it's kind of interesting or alternate, not alternate alternate, you know, its kind of interesting, but anyway, that's enough of that. You listened to this in space. You can hear the whole discussion twit I t.tv/t WWI S and in a couple of weeks we're gonna be talking to a guy who's a big honcho in the web webspace telescope. So that'll be neat. Oh, you had buzz Aldrin's son a couple of weeks ago. You, you really, yeah. You know, might have a good time. So speaking of a good time. Yes. <laugh> segue. Gills has been rolled back out to the launch complex, the space launch system Artemis one.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:10:08):
So they started another wet dress rehearsal last night. So that's the fueling of the rocket and everything up to the 10 seconds of last countdown so far it's working. So I'm crossing all my digits. I think that's good luck if you cross all, you know, both hands of both of you. Yeah. And you can actually watch that live. There's not much to see right now, but once they start fueling, you'll be able to see all the vapor, will they actually light it on fire and set it up? No, no, no. This is just this. Just making sure everything works. Cuz we had the, the previous wet dress rehearsal wet six weeks ago. Right. And it sat there for the better part of a month and you know, it wasn't working out. So they think they've solved their problems. They're hoping to launch in late August, early September, probably September I'm I have a, a bet going with, with Tark that that will be as late as Christmas, but that's just me cuz I'm a cynic.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:10:59):
So that's good. Spacex has some news coming up. They got a preliminary sign off the FAA for this licensure review they've been doing for their Texas facility called star base. We've been waiting on this for gosh, eight months now. I think there was a bunch of stuff that the FAA had to look and, and check off before Elon could do his orbital test of Starship. So there's a conditional nod, but they still have 75 items. They have to close most of us, small stuff. But most of it is about how it impacts the community and the environment. Cuz he, you know, every time he's gotta test this thing, he's gotta close a bunch of roads and put up all kinds of blank. Wait, is that something interesting? And I think I fall pray to this too. He you mean Elon? Yeah. Sorry. So this is a problem in the, in my opinion.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:11:52):
And I, I, by the way I do this too, and I just noticed you doing it and I think, oh I think I do it too. Spacex is not Elon Musk. It's not he right. Well, he owns it. Now. That's an interesting point because that brings us to the next story, which is SpaceX and volatile bosses. So did you see the story that the verge broke about? The, the letter everybody signed? Yes. And then got fired? Well a handful of them. Yeah. In this case he fired them. Well he had his president, Gwen Shotwell fired them. Yeah. But I think it came from, oh, I think so. So you know, but, but I mean, you're talking about, you know, identifying a company with this one guy, Elon Musk. Yeah. This kind of cements that in a way, doesn't it? Because you can't criticize the fearless leader, at least 400 employees said, look, this, this guy, when he acts out in public, it's embarrassing to us.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:12:45):
It sets us back. You know, we're not on board. So 400 employees signed this letter, public open letter saying Elon you're embarrassing us. Yeah. And there's some question whether it was intended to be public open letter or not, I've, I've seen two different versions of the story. One says it was just posted internally and of course got leaked and spawned. So Mr. Free speech, Elon Musk, Hey, you know what, he didn't file 400 of them. He just that's true. He fired the instigators. And there's a question as to whether or not this is a, like a workplace law violation. And I don't know enough about that type to say, but oh wow. There was also some discussion of harassment of various kinds. Well that was another thing because there is a story going around that the Elon paid a settlement. We don't know if it's true.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:13:34):
Allegedly paid a settlement to somebody a a flight attendant on a SpaceX private plane that he right. Allegedly and I'll emphasize allegedly harassed. Right. He did offer to buy her a horse. So, you know, that was nice. It, it, on the other hand, you know, anybody of allegedly offered to buy a horse, right. <Laugh> and, and anybody of prominence is, is of course gonna get sued, right. Left and center. Yeah. Settlements are not uncommon even when it's not considered a legitimate suit because you know, the companies often just wanna move along and get past it. So who knows, you know, I don't want to besmirch either side of the discussion, but I just wish, you know, I wish that would go away. Whether it's behavior issues or, or the loss or whatever, I wish Twitter would go away. It's just all a distraction.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:14:22):
Get back to doing what he does so well. And we've talked about this society, this notion of the great man hypothesis. We love the idea that it's one person it's Thomas ed and it's Henry Ford. It's Alexander the great it's this one, great man who does the whole thing and gets all the credit. And of course it's never, that's never the case. No. We love that notion of a great man, but none of those great men had Twitter. I don't know. <Laugh> I don't know if they would've been as great. If we had seen these tweets, you know what I'm saying? Can you imagine Benjamin Franklin tweeting? I mean, that would've been relief. Oh, he would. He got, he would've gotten in trouble, but they would've been great reads. Oh, it would've been great. But yeah, we know he was a rascal. Yes, he was <laugh> so last thing, and this is small, but it's also SpaceX.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:15:11):
They've launched now three times within 36 hours. That hasn't been that's impressing by anybody. Yeah. Yeah. Two from KSC one from Vanderberg all the first stages flew back successfully. Wow. And the Friday launch was the 13th time that booster had been used. So that's, that's really great. They're setting up so far for one, an average of one launch per week for this year, he's doing a great job. No, they're doing a great job. Yeah. And there's a lot of this. That's a really good point. Yeah. There's some really, really talented people he is and they work really hard. He's just the guy in the big hat. Yes. Thank you. Rod pile. He doesn't have a yellow shirt. So to hack with him, it's basically, it's not an it historic, this is my father's day gift. Thank you. Yeah, I like it. Is it linen?

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:15:57):
It looks like Ren linen or silk or something. It's a very interesting technology. It's stretchy. I don't know what it is. Might be weigh on. I don't know. Stretchy shirts and I get along well. Yeah. You need stretchy for obvious reasons. Yes. Yeah. It's got a texture. That's really cool. I don't, it does. It's kind of like a, I don't know what it is. Rough weave or something. Well, anyway, you will never get struck down in traffic enough. She get, gets these shirts for me that she likes interesting textiles, but so do I, cause my mom was a Weaver, so she gets me these shirts with fascinating textiles and I, you know what, I'm embarrassed to say. I did not look. It might be bamboo. I don't know. I don't know what it's oh yeah. It could be bamboo.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:16:41):
Well, I just realized I I'd muttered earlier. I didn't get a father's day present yet, but I just remembered Sherry did promise me an iPhone 13. Promax so I shouldn't, that's a hell of a father's day present. Yeah. Well it's probably father's day and birthday, but that's okay. <Laugh> that's a very good one. Cause I'm still using an iPhone eight and it's probably coming. Yeah. It's time. It's time. Yeah. I will find out the fabric. <Laugh> get back to <laugh>. It's not, not urgent. Yeah. I like, oh and by the way weird PDOs oh, thank you. Yeah. This is silk. Yeah. Ran, I guess. Yeah. I returned my awful 16 inch MacBook pro I nine to Costco and they smiled and said fine. Good. I was so nervous. We were gonna say, now you gotta pick get now M two, if you can get one they're you know what?

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:17:30):
I, I spent 600 bucks to get my, my 13 inch MacBook probe screen fixed, which irked me a little bit, but at least not works. Yeah. And you know what? It's gonna be good for a couple of years. I think when these errors I a forgot, I liked me. These M two MacBook errors are available. That you should look at those, cuz those are gonna be faster than that. I nine light light. No fans just really they'll be really perfect. Well this, this M one I've got now. I mean I, oh, that's an M one, one, the one you got fixed. Oh no. M one's great. Oh, you wouldn't notice. I heard the only time I ever heard the fans was when I was running be diagnostic. It was so funny. It's like, oh, oh, has fans? I didn't know that. Yeah. I gave Lisa my 13 when I got the 14.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:18:09):
And so do you find the 14 to be the, the right, the optimum combination of, of size and weight and all that? Cause the 16, the new 16 is a brick. It's a battery. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it just really depends like you know, I even have a 17 inch, five pound laptop that I use in certain circumstances. So it just depends. I think the MacBook air, which is their best selling computer is really the, is really the sweet spot. It's pretty darn good. And I'm certainly fun to handle. Yeah. It's light. It's thin carry it everywhere. Battery life is mind boggling. Although your thirteen's even better actually. So it's not bad. And I was astonished that a new MacBook pro, even though it's an I nine, three and a half hours and the battery was done, like 10% thought, how could this I know.

Leo Laporte / Rod Pyle (02:19:00):
Well, no were awful because they're Intel. That's why. Yeah. And it was volcanically hot. Yeah. No, you, you I'm whining here, but it was, those were notorious. No, no, no, no. It felt like a back to the future moment. I, cause that's what my son is using for his tos. And I, I ordered a knew the new, you know, max studio, max or studio ultra. I ordered for him from a company called simply Mac that just went bankrupt. So you were way better dad than I am <laugh> well, I really wanted him to have this for his tos, but they, you know, the funny thing is I had ordered it in April and about three weeks ago, I finally said, you know, this is, I sent him a noticing what's going on? They said, well, we just don't know when we can get 'em. I said, can you re cancel my order and refund? I know it's not your fault, but I give my $5,000 back. Oh, okay. Two days later they filed chapter seven. I got whoa. I escaped by the skin of my, who was that simply Mac. Wow. And I, cuz I'd be a debt. I'd be a creditor right now trying to get my money back. All right, rod Costco. <Laugh> wait a minute. Daddy. Couldn't read. Daddy couldn't write. But one thing he could do was swear.

Leo Laporte (02:20:14):
<Laugh> that's that's dad's everywhere. Leo Laporte, the tech guy. Thank you to professor Laura for entertaining us all day with both songs for Juneteenth and father's day. Great stuff as always. I love it. When we give professor Laura a challenge, she rises to the occasion. She's great. I declare, I declare one thing he could do was swear eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number. Charles is on the line from Altoona PA. Hello Charles.

Caller 7 (02:20:49):
Hi Leo. How are

Leo Laporte (02:20:50):
You? I'm great. Welcome to the show. What can I do for you today?

Caller 7 (02:20:53):
Okay. I have a, an old laptop. I bought off a QVC. I don't know if I can say that, but anyhow.

Leo Laporte (02:20:59):
Yeah, of course. You could say anything you want. Yeah. <laugh>

Caller 7 (02:21:02):
Well, okay. It's an answer and it's probably over five years old, less than 10. And I think it's getting on its last leg, but anyhow, I got a subscription from windows office with it, you know, I didn't, I was included in the price. Yep. And, and now what I was wondering, all the newer laptops, the things I've seen on TV or, you know, in the stores, they include like windows 365 for like one year and then you have to pay.

Leo Laporte (02:21:30):
That's pretty typical. Yeah.

Caller 7 (02:21:32):
Is there a way you can get that included as one shot? You know, like,

Leo Laporte (02:21:36):
Well, you know, that's just something QVC does. That's the kind of thing they do to, you know, as a little sweetener, oh, we're gonna throw in, you know, office. 

Caller 7 (02:21:45):
But now, now that's only just like from one year and then you have

Leo Laporte (02:21:49):
To pay. And partly that's because Microsoft that's Microsoft's plan is to get you to subscribe to office instead of to buy something called they call it now the perpetual license. And that's what you got was a, not a subscription, but a perpetual license. My argument for going for the subscription is, you know, for the consumer subscription, it's my, I pay eight bucks a month and I think five people, you could use it on five, five or six computers. And at eight bucks a month, times 12 is less than a hundred bucks a year. If you get the perpetual license, if you were to buy it off the shelf you'd probably be paying several hundred bucks. So I think in the long run, it's kind of, I think they've priced it cleverly. So it's about three, three years. You know, you take three years to amortize the cost of the perpetual license, three years of subscription. And the advantage of the subscription is that whole time, that whole three years are getting updates automatically. You know, it's improving automatically. But if you wanna get, you know, the full office installed and own it forever, the perpetual license, I think you're gonna be looking at somebody like QVC. I don't know if retailers you're right. That because Microsoft doesn't want them to sell the perpetual license. I don't know if, how many retails offer that.

Caller 7 (02:23:10):
Can you go into it like a store and buy the yeah. The program?

Leo Laporte (02:23:16):
Yeah. You can get it without it and just buy the program with, you know, buy the perpetual version of office. Yep.

Caller 7 (02:23:22):
But you're saying that,

Leo Laporte (02:23:24):
But I think honestly the subscription's not, it's not more expensive. Let me see Mike best buy. Let me see. They I'm, I'm looking for one that sells it with more than just a year of office looks like best buy might. Well, no, you see, cuz I think honestly Microsoft's probably telling these guys not to, right? Yeah. Because they want you to subscribe. They, they, they, the, you know, why the stock market likes it. The stock market would far prefer Microsoft have a lower monthly fee than one big lump outright sale. And and and you know, these companies care about the stock market office personal pre-install no one year subscription you're right. Most of them are one year subscriptions. Looking for perpetual version. Let's see if we can see I'm doing some searches. I, this is the kind of thing QVC always does. Right. Because they, they, yeah. They need a sweetener. So they often say, you know, and you get office forever free, things like that. I don't know, off the top of my head. Now here's some other things you might think about, first of all, you can always use office on the web for free forever. So that's one thing just to try to see if it has the capabilities. What do you do? You use word? What are you using?

Caller 7 (02:24:54):
I use pretty much Excel and word. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (02:24:58):
Excel. You, we got, it's not gonna be as quite as full featured word there's some of the higher end features are missing, but everybody should look at the web version first, cuz that's AB free forever, absolutely free. Then there are free open source offices. My favorite is called Libre, L I B R E office. And that is a Microsoft office clone. That is downloadable. You don't have to be online to use it. There's no subscription. It's completely free. And it opens Excel files and saves them and opens word. It was based on open office. It's called Libre office now. I, you know, these are even Google docs, which is free forever is worth taking a look at if it'll do what you need to do.

Caller 7 (02:25:43):
Yeah. I don't do a whole lot of I'm pretty much technically challenged these days. So I,

Leo Laporte (02:25:47):
Yeah, I don't feel I don't. So I think people don't even know that Microsoft office offers this web version of office. I didn't know that. Yeah. And and honestly it looks the same. It does almost everything exactly the same. You need a Microsoft account, which is free and what, and then it's office.com and I use it I use OneNote that way cuz I don't own a copy of OneNote. And it works great. They have word, they have Excel, they have PowerPoint outlook and it's all completely free. I'm not sure why Microsoft gives it away like this <laugh> it's not, it's not normal for them, but, but it is certainly a way to get people into the office ecosystem, try going to office.com. See if it'll do what you want. You can buy you can buy and I'm seeing on the chat room. They're saying you can buy a the simple version, the personal version of office for 150 bucks. So that's actually at that price probably worthwhile

Caller 7 (02:26:46):
Probably. Yeah. That's not bad. Okay. Yeah. I'll but you, they can, they might have that best buy

Leo Laporte (02:26:51):
Or yeah. I mean you, you might not be bundled with a computer, but the computer will cost 150 bucks less <laugh> yeah. Cause I guarantee you, I guarantee you. They're not they're not given it away really.

Caller 7 (02:27:04):
<Laugh> yeah. They're gonna get you. They're

Leo Laporte (02:27:06):
Gonna get you QVC, you know, 37 month payments, easy payments of 1999 and, and it's yours. So I, I suspect that they're getting the money out. Oh, look at this stack, social.com. They're offering windows office professional for 50 bucks, normally 350 bucks. Boy that's I don't know anything about this company. That's something the chat room found, but that's interesting. You get office professional 2021 for windows, lifetime license for 50 bucks. That can't be that can't be <laugh> that can't be right. Yeah. I'd be, I'd be careful of that one. It's being sold by somebody called nerd used, you know, maybe don't get that one <laugh>

Caller 7 (02:27:50):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:27:51):
But if you get it from best buy they'll stand behind it. And and, and you know, then you price it out the price of the computer, plus 150 bucks for office. That's your actual price. I think that's probably the best way to go.

Caller 7 (02:28:04):
Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:28:05):
All right. And I would, I would take a look at the web version. I think the way most people use Microsoft office the web version has all the features you need. In fact, some of the features in the web version, aren't in the desktop version, weirdly enough. What they do is they take out stuff that businesses need mail merge or you know, document revisions and things, things that are kind of higher end. But if you're just using it to write, you are using Excel to do your bank account or, you know, simple spreadsheets like that. I, I suspect the web version be better choice, to be honest or go back to QVC, ladies and gentlemen, this concludes this thrilling gripping edition of the tech guy show. I thank you ever so much for joining me. Thanks to professor Laura, our musical director, doing a Yemen's job on this father's day in Juneteenth.

Leo Laporte (02:28:59):
Thanks to Kim Schaffer, our phone angel she's in a cool blue mood today. Look, you, you look very, very cool and refreshing. We got the, we got <laugh> I'm D I'm talking about you. What? Thank you, Kim. Thank you. I'm just saying thank you. And you're welcome. Thanks. Thanks to all the hello. Wake up. Thanks to all the folks who listened and called I'm Leola. Port your tech guy, have a great geek week. We'll see you next time. Well, that's it for the tech guy show for today. Thank you so much for being here and don't forget twit T WWIT. It stands for this week@techandyoufinditattwit.tv, including the podcasts for this show. We talk about windows and windows weekly, Macintosh, a Mac break, weekly iPads, iPhones, apple watches on iOS today. Security and security. Now, I mean, I can go on and on and on. And of course the big show every Sunday afternoon, this weekend tech you'll find it all@twi.tv and I'll be back next week with another great tech guy show. Thanks for joining me. We'll see you next time.