The Tech Guy Episode 1899 Transcript

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Hi, this is Leo Laporte and this is my tech guy podcast. The show originally aired in the premier networks on Saturday, June 4th, 2022. This is episode 1,899. Enjoy. The Tech Guy podcast is brought to you by Userway is the world's number one accessibility solution. And it's committed to enabling the fundamental human right of digital accessibility for everyone. When you're ready to make your site compliant. Deciding which solution to use is an easy choice to make. Go to for 30% off UserWay's AI powered accessibility solution. And by Melissa. Poor data quality can cost organizations and average of 15 million a year. Make sure your customer contact data is up to date. Get started today with 1000 records, clean for free at and by Acronis. Keep your digital world safe from all threats. With the only cyber protection solution that delivers a unique integration of data protection and cyber security in one, Acronis cyber protect home office, formerly Acronis true image. Go to Well, Hey, Hey. Hey, how are you today? Look here. It's Mikah Sargent. Hi and Leo Laporte. You're tech guys. You got two of 'em today on the radio talking tech, answering your questions at 88 88. Ask Leo, what is tech

Mikah Sargent (00:01:46):
Tech is all things with microchips. Is that what we, oh, but the internet doesn't have a micro trip.

Leo Laporte (00:01:51):
Yeah. I, you know what? It was a lousy definition when I came up with it,

Mikah Sargent (00:01:55):
Your honor.

Leo Laporte (00:01:56):
Remember, I've been, I've been doing this since 1992, so, and we didn't even mean the internet was just a twinkle.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:03):
That was a special year for me.

Leo Laporte (00:02:04):
92. Was that the year you were born may

Mikah Sargent (00:02:07):
Of the year sports.

Leo Laporte (00:02:10):
Oh, I just got very depressed <laugh> so, so that, so that means I have cell phones older than you. No, I don't. <Laugh> don't children than you, but the radio show is as old as you. And back then there was an internet, but no one, you know, you couldn't access it. So we didn't really talk about that so much. It really was stuff with chips in it. Got it. Now it's not, you know, now it's, I mean the internet requires chips. It's not just some puffy cloud in the sky.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:39):
Although some people like to think so the cloud, but

Leo Laporte (00:02:41):
Yes, they

Mikah Sargent (00:02:41):
Call it that servers and wires. Do you

Leo Laporte (00:02:45):
Ever wonder why they call it the cloud? I

Mikah Sargent (00:02:47):
Don't know who came up with that.

Leo Laporte (00:02:48):
You have a theory. I know, but I, oh, you do. I don't know who came up with it, but I could tell you what it means. It's because when you're drawing a circuit diagram, usually, you know, everything, you got lines, wires, transistors, diodes, all of those symbols. Right. But then <laugh>, it goes out the door and into some unknown. Oh. And then it comes out of the unknown back into those circuit diagrams. So on the, on the circuit diagrams, they represented that internet. That unknown actually was, it could be also the network as a cloud, cuz we don't know you

Mikah Sargent (00:03:21):
Could have made it so it could have been the fog. The ma could been

Leo Laporte (00:03:24):
A lot of things. Just unknown.

Mikah Sargent (00:03:25):
Okay. The cotton candy,

Leo Laporte (00:03:27):
The hereby monsters kind of a, I love that. Yeah. Kind of a thing. So I I'm pretty sure that's where the idea came from. Who made that up? I don't know. Probably some guy who was designing these, these little these little things.

Mikah Sargent (00:03:41):
The internet with a, a quick glimpse. Oh no, no. That's cloud computing was Eric Schmidt. So that's

Leo Laporte (00:03:47):
Different. Oh Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google at the time. Yes. Hey, so really a couple of things we gotta talk about day after tomorrow. You and I will gather to watch a YouTube video <laugh> presumably live from the apple campus as apple beat kicks off it's worldwide developers conference. It's been very interesting over the last few days. I don't know if you've noticed this.

Mikah Sargent (00:04:09):
I know exactly where you're going with this because yes. I feel the exact same way

Leo Laporte (00:04:13):
You tell me

Mikah Sargent (00:04:14):
There. Have I have realized if we're talking about the same thing that apple has actually invited quite a few press people to this

Leo Laporte (00:04:23):
Lots of people we know not you lots, not me. Not, not us. You didn't get an invited. I did

Mikah Sargent (00:04:26):
Not get an invite.

Leo Laporte (00:04:27):
Then I would really feel terrible. Exactly.

Mikah Sargent (00:04:29):
We gotta get you that tour.

Leo Laporte (00:04:30):
The, I already feel terrible. <Laugh> that's actually not what I was thinking, but you're right. A lot of press will be there. In fact they have a whole tour schedule. Yeah. And they have three tours they have to choose from. There's a tour of the great outdoors. <Laugh> there's a tour of the gym. I don't know why you'd want that. And then there's a tour of something else. I can't remember. Yeah. I

Mikah Sargent (00:04:53):
Don't recall. And

Leo Laporte (00:04:54):
You have to choose one and we know this cuz the journalists are starting to post this, this itinerary on Twitter. But that was not what I was thinking. Okay. What I was thinking is, I don't know if you have noticed this, but I certainly have, and this comes from apple, apples. Subtly puts out the word they talk to journalists. Is it just off the record? Just between you and me? Don't tell anybody you heard it from me, but they've been lowering expectations now that you have must have

Mikah Sargent (00:05:20):
Noticed. Yes, yes,

Leo Laporte (00:05:21):
Yes. Because we thought, oh, they're gonna announce all this new, what we're gonna AR advisor.

Mikah Sargent (00:05:26):
Yeah. Advisors. Exactly

Leo Laporte (00:05:27):
It MacBook air M two chip. We thought unreasonably. They would. And I think it's probably due to the supply chain shortage and the 63 day shutdown of Shanghai, which has ended now for COVID. So stuff's getting out. I had a laptop I ordered from Dell back in April and they said, we don't know when we we'll try to get it to you in June, but we don't know really. We don't know. Because it was, I I'm assuming it was made by a company probably Quanta, which makes Apple's laptops too in Shanghai and nothing was coming or going, nothing was going or out. So I think what Dell was saying is, well, we finished the laptop it's built, but we can't, we don't know. We won't even give you a tracking number till it arrives in the us. Cuz we just don't know when it's gonna be released from Shanghai. Well, it finally was guess when two days ago when the, when the Shanghai lockdown ended, so that laptop's coming today, by the way. Oh, nice. Very excited to here or to your house. No, to my house. That's good. Anyway so I think that all of that has really thrown a monkey wrench into the gears. Now, if you've ever had gears and you've front or monkey wrenched, what, you know, you,

Mikah Sargent (00:06:37):
You would be very aware.

Leo Laporte (00:06:39):

Mikah Sargent (00:06:40):
Messes things up.

Leo Laporte (00:06:41):
So I think apple has then this past week, you know, there was no announcement from apple mm-hmm <affirmative> but I've heard a lot of journalists say, well like mark Erman, the rumor guy Renee Richie, who is our co-host on Mac break weekly who cannot say anything. He did not say he was invited. He's invited for sure. Cuz he's not gonna be around next week. Wonder why. Hmm. He also said, you know, maybe don't get your hopes up too high. He said, I'm not getting my hopes up.

Mikah Sargent (00:07:13):
Mark Gorman though just 17 hours ago is back on the MacBook air train.

Leo Laporte (00:07:17):
Oh see the little birds from apple probably called him and said we got it.

Mikah Sargent (00:07:20):
He said, I think the only way he first he said the new MacBook air has been planned to launch a WWDC. I think the only way it doesn't is if the China factory shutdowns created such a supply and release date gap, that it wouldn't make sense to announce it on Monday. So, so,

Leo Laporte (00:07:34):
So there's some things to think about in that. Mark's an interesting rumor monger because he works for Bloomberg Bloomberg blue news <laugh> and Bloomberg has rules. They have journalistic rules. Mark can say, according to sources who refuse to be named mm-hmm <affirmative> he can say, I have heard, he also can say, but I think, and when you see, I think he's, that's not based on anything he's heard according to, you know, the tea leaves. But if he says I've heard, so I'm gonna read that. As in the past, he had heard that apple were releasing M to MacBook pro and now he's or MacBook's error, I think, but now he's saying it's it's I think it's gonna depend. I still think that that's him saying lower your expectations mm-hmm <affirmative> cuz it was locked down until three days ago.

Mikah Sargent (00:08:26):
Yeah. I, and honestly this is where I fall on the whole WW WWDC thing. I get so excited every year for all of the operating system stuff, they're going to announce all they will do all software features. Yes. They're gonna do that. I never count on WWDC as a hardware event. And so this sort of, this sort of group think idea that if they don't announce hardware, it's a flop. Is I disagree with that because

Leo Laporte (00:08:49):
No, no, no. It's for developers.

Mikah Sargent (00:08:51):

Leo Laporte (00:08:51):
However, about almost exactly 50% of the time they release hardware. Yeah. At WWDC, the home pod, you know, 2017, the home pod, the iMac pro if you go back to 2018, nothing 2019, the Mac pro the pro display XDR 20, 20 M one, the Silicon transition. But they didn't announce any products last year. Nothing. So you go back interesting. And over the years it's been about 50 50. So I would say no don't and then that way you'll be pleasantly surprised. That's

Mikah Sargent (00:09:27):
<Laugh> yeah. I, I fall on the side of no hardware and that's okay. Because I cannot wait to see what they release in terms of home

Leo Laporte (00:09:34):
Stuff. The reason I bring it up is for the last month I've been telling people, wait, don't buy any apple stuff until after June 6th.

Mikah Sargent (00:09:41):
Yeah. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Because you know, we kinda have to go,

Leo Laporte (00:09:44):
Well, well you still, I would still, I mean, you can wait a couple of days, right. But I would wait, but don't, it may not make any difference. And you may want to run to the store and buy something Monday afternoon. <Laugh> yeah. Although you've been waiting

Mikah Sargent (00:09:56):
If if they still haven't gotten all the supply that they need to hold up the current amount. So you might wanna wait anyway, until they've got more max for you. That's true.

Leo Laporte (00:10:04):
Actually purchase. What may happen is they say, we've got, we're gonna be doing a Mac two MacBook air, M two. It's gonna be available for pre-order in August shipping in September. The reason they might not wanna do that is cuz they're still selling the M one Mac repair. They don't wanna cut sales off. Very big news in the world. The, you would think with something like two dozen states considering right to repair bills, laws that would make it your legal right to get instructions and parts for the stuff you own, whether it's a, a car, a tractor or a laptop or a phone, you would think with two dozen states looking at that for the last two years that somebody would've passed a law. No, the first right to repair law has finally passed in New York state. It's the very, very first one. Governor ho Hoku, whatever ha says she will sign it.

Leo Laporte (00:10:57):
This is huge. Our friends at I fix it, call it one giant leap for repair kind. Kyle, we find Kyle wins, who is their CEO and founder. And we love this guy cuz he's really been fighting mm-hmm <affirmative> in fact he's started right to because they sell parts. They sell and you know, they have, they wanna call 'em. They call themselves the repair manual for the internet. They, they have all these free repaired guides. He said the passage of this bill means that repairs should become less expensive and more comprehensive people who wanna fix their own stuff can whereas before manufacturers could push consumers to use manufacturers authorized shops, now they have to compete. Of course you had a different experience. Hmm.

Mikah Sargent (00:11:40):
This is a little upsetting for me. We wanted to do a repair of an iPhone or in this case it was a battery replacement just to give Apple's new self-service repair program, a try. And it was an absolute nightmare because the company that apple uses it's called spot that they've hired to do the whole process. So you work with spot directly. They're the ones who ship out the tools and the parts. And so you go to the company and you say, Hey, I wanna rent these tools.

Leo Laporte (00:12:12):
And by the way, they come in two giant cases,

Mikah Sargent (00:12:15):
Two huge Pelican cases. They're

Leo Laporte (00:12:17):
With 76 pounds.

Mikah Sargent (00:12:18):
Yeah. 76 pounds of tools. And you, they, they cost like $1,100 total, but you can rent them for a week and

Leo Laporte (00:12:27):
For 49 bucks,

Mikah Sargent (00:12:27):
$49 for a week. And but one, one would think one would think that if once you have everything, then the countdown starts. But if you get the tools before you get the part, then the countdown starts from the time that the tools arrive on your doorstep. That meant that because it took longer for ups to ship a battery as Andy and NACO pointed out on Mac break weekly, I think this is why because a battery has to ship via ground, right? It keep, go on a plane. That took so much longer that there was literally two hours of a window to be able to do the full repair before they,

Leo Laporte (00:13:03):
You called spot and said, Hey, can I have it for an extra day? Cuz the battery's not here yet. And they said,

Mikah Sargent (00:13:08):
And they said, no. They said, in fact, this is how I know. They said there is a problem with our policy. That means that other people ah, had called and had the same issue and they are acknowledging the fact that their policy needs to change. So this, this, the person on the phone is acknowledging. I, I doubt, you know, the further up the line that that's how they feel. So

Leo Laporte (00:13:27):
This could be something apple MIS you know, didn't know and will fix or hopeful

Mikah Sargent (00:13:31):
We fix

Leo Laporte (00:13:32):
It. I mean, I think the whole process of renting this equipment, getting it shipped, the whole thing is their way of saying, well, well, well this is what it's gonna take if you really insist. Yeah. If

Mikah Sargent (00:13:41):
You really want to do this and by the way, that's

Leo Laporte (00:13:43):
Gonna have to be, do you save money doing this? No,

Mikah Sargent (00:13:45):
I would've saved money if I went to, I fix it and got the entire thing from there. In fact,

Leo Laporte (00:13:52):
And if you wanted apple to do it, it would cost roughly the same. Yes.

Mikah Sargent (00:13:55):
That's also true. Yes. Instead

Leo Laporte (00:13:56):
Of having to get all this stuff

Mikah Sargent (00:13:57):
Applecare on your device than it's even less it would cost even less. So

Leo Laporte (00:14:01):
It's my opinion. This is intentional. That apple just doesn't want. But this is how people watch because now that the right to repair is will soon be the law in New York state. I think companies are gonna all do this. They're gonna say, oh good thinking apple. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:14:15):
<Laugh> yeah, exactly. We've got this all figured out.

Leo Laporte (00:14:19):
Eighty eight, eighty eight. Ask Leo that's the phone number. If you wanna talk to me and Michael and ask questions or talk about tech, we're here to do it. 8, 8, 8, 8 2 7 5 5 3 6. The tech guy too up.

Leo Laporte (00:14:42):
Yes. So I very nice call with Scott's wife. Yeah. And she we're gonna meet again in a month, but she told me a lot of useful stuff. In fact, I brought my bioTE dry mouth moisturizing spray.

Mikah Sargent (00:15:03):
What does it have in it?

Leo Laporte (00:15:08):

Mikah Sargent (00:15:09):
Oh, okay.

Leo Laporte (00:15:10):
So what it does, it coats your mouth and stuff and keeps it moist. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and there's some xylitol, which she

Mikah Sargent (00:15:16):
Says, that's what I was wondering if there was xylitol to help Mo cuz that makes your, your salivary glands

Leo Laporte (00:15:20):
Activate. Yeah. So there's xylitol and glycerin. Yeah. I can feel it.

Mikah Sargent (00:15:24):
You can also, I don't know if she suggested this. At night they have these xylitol tablets, they have this kind of it's light glue. It's like a star based glue and it sticks to your tooth. And so while you're asleep, your mouth is automatically producing saliva and it helps keep things moist while you're asleep.

Leo Laporte (00:15:42):
That's disgusting. <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (00:15:44):
Well, no, it's, it's better because that's a

Leo Laporte (00:15:46):
Problem. I don't have dry, particularly dry mouth. That's good. I have a very moist mouse. In fact, I Dr. <Laugh> so, oh, well

Mikah Sargent (00:15:53):

Leo Laporte (00:15:53):
Good. I don't think I have to worry. She had me do all sorts of things like scales with my head D really my head tilted and stuff. I might have to. It was good. You should do it. Cause you're a singer and

Mikah Sargent (00:16:04):
It's well, not really, but what I, I used to do vocal training and I have not in such a long time. Yeah. I'll have to

Leo Laporte (00:16:12):
Reset. Scott's in the chat room, Scott, about that. Is he gonna be on today?

Mikah Sargent (00:16:15):

Leo Laporte (00:16:16):
Think so. He's just in the chat room. I think

Mikah Sargent (00:16:17):
It's a couple of weeks

Leo Laporte (00:16:17):
From now. So he, oh yeah, we gotta do the second segment first. Yeah, he she didn't gimme any vocal exercises, but I sent her some YouTube videos that I've been using and she said, those are fine. Just be careful. You don't go too high outta your range. Oh. Or too low outta your range.

Mikah Sargent (00:16:36):
Well, she determining your range in that first call. She did. Oh, that's so fun. I need to, yeah, I should

Leo Laporte (00:16:40):

Mikah Sargent (00:16:40):
It was fun. She's got room.

Leo Laporte (00:16:42):
Oh she does. And it was, you know, you don't have to do many sessions. You do a single session to consult. So I'm I did, I did the, I did, the mother made me match. My M and Ms. Mother made me match. My mom, mom made me match my M and MSS. Mama mom made me match my MN. Ms. And mom, mom, mom, mom, mom, mama, and up the scales and down. And then,

Leo Laporte (00:17:13):
And then what else? Yeah, that's all. And then, oh, and then she has me read copy. So I do that for five minutes to get loosen up. But the thing I'm not trying to sing, I'm trying to, to talk. Right. So she said, okay. The other, the thing that was most valuable to me is as you get old, you relax and you're VO and you go back down into your chest. You know how they're always saying, stay outta your throat, produce from your diaphragm and just mm-hmm <affirmative>. She said, that's fine. When you're young professionals are trained that way, she said, but when you get old, it's very difficult for them to remember. That's that's when you're slumped your dad.

Mikah Sargent (00:17:47):

Leo Laporte (00:17:47):
And as you get older, you wanna bring it back up into your throat and bring some energy back into your voice. So I that's what I have been doing, cuz people say I've even gotten emails from people say, you know, at the end of your sentences, you just drop off and I can't understand what you're saying and that's cuz I'm old and tired. Interesting. So, and I always thought, oh no, that's good. My voice sounds deep. Yeah. That's not deep, but

Mikah Sargent (00:18:08):
It's not good for

Leo Laporte (00:18:08):
Your voice then. No. Yeah. So you wanna ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. So anyway, I do that. She says do that after you work out though, because you want to get your whole body going, your blood blown blood flow going and then you do the vocal stuff and time out. Yeah. You gotta work. <Laugh> dang it. LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA.

Mikah Sargent (00:18:32):
I need someone to tell me to work out. So that's actually that

Leo Laporte (00:18:35):
<Laugh> well, the other thing I'm doing well, I'll tell you about this later. Okay. Is we're coming back. Oh, oh. But now I think I want to sing. It'd be fun to sing. Yes. Actually I got in trouble for calling someone baby the other day. So I'm not gonna call you baby. I'm just gonna say hello, Kim Schaffer. <Laugh>

Kim Schaffer (00:18:59):
I'd like to hear that.

Leo Laporte (00:19:01):
Story's tell me

Kim Schaffer (00:19:02):

Leo Laporte (00:19:03):
Yeah. Hello Kim. Sheer phone angel.

Kim Schaffer (00:19:06):
How you doing?

Leo Laporte (00:19:07):
I I'm good. How you doing? I'm good. How you doing? Good. Good. So we went to the movies last yesterday.

Kim Schaffer (00:19:14):
We did

Leo Laporte (00:19:14):
Well, two days Kim and I had a date two days, day, two

Kim Schaffer (00:19:16):
Days with me there with it was like 13 other people. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:19:20):
So John, our studio manager found out that you can rent a whole theater. Yeah. For like 200 bucks.

Kim Schaffer (00:19:26):
It's a good deal. If you

Leo Laporte (00:19:28):
Get enough, enough people in here and he rented a theater and took all of us to the movies. Very nice. Which was great. Cuz I haven't been to a movie in two, two years since March, since February, 2020. So it was, and had you, had you been to a movie

Kim Schaffer (00:19:40):
Since? No, I haven't. And I can't even remember what the last movie I saw in a theater, but, but probably was in 2019 to be honest, honest, honest with you. I don't even think I saw one in 20, 20. It might little longer for

Leo Laporte (00:19:49):
Me. Yeah. Yeah. So we all went to see Dr. Strange in the temple of doom and it was so exciting. It's a lot going on actually, you know, what's funny. Maybe it's cuz I haven't been a movie in two years. I, I really enjoyed it. I'm not,

Kim Schaffer (00:20:03):
But CG was pretty amazing.

Leo Laporte (00:20:05):
I'm not a fan of Marvel comic universe at all. Neither mine. I'm a Batman guy.

Kim Schaffer (00:20:10):
I loved Deadpool.

Leo Laporte (00:20:11):
Deadpool was funny.

Kim Schaffer (00:20:12):
That was funny. Well the, and funny that's probably why I liked it,

Leo Laporte (00:20:17):
But this, I thought this was quite enjoy enjoyable. Yeah. And I like Benedick Comber bond. I think he's really you know, talented. 

Kim Schaffer (00:20:26):
If you watch the credits at the end, the Chinese guy's name was also Benedict. Like how odd

Leo Laporte (00:20:31):
Is that? Ben. Ben

Kim Schaffer (00:20:33):
There's two Benedicts in one movie. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:20:35):
He, by the way,

Kim Schaffer (00:20:36):
A bad American accent though,

Leo Laporte (00:20:38):
To say, oh Cumba. Yeah. Cumba is that's what ruined the power of the dog for me, it was like, you are not a cowboy, sir. <Laugh> I'm sorry. I, you know, it's like we didn't see each other for years here. I'm let's, let's not pay attention to ourselves, but to our lovely audience, who should we address first instead of Jake and Piqua, Ohio Piqua, Piqua, Ohio, Ohio. <Laugh> thank you, Kim. Hello, Jake and Piqua.

Caller 1 (00:21:07):
Good morning. Good morning. New, new listener. First time I called what luck? Wow. I'm not really a there's

Leo Laporte (00:21:15):
There's people who've been listened for 20 years who are really mad at you right now. Cause they can never get in. Oh he gotta end. Darn it. Good job.

Caller 1 (00:21:22):
I don't had to call 12 times, but oh

Leo Laporte (00:21:24):
Yeah, he worked. You earned it. <Laugh> so what, what can we do for you?

Caller 1 (00:21:29):
All right. I got my old home computer snow office computers, a Dell Plex, nine 90 and piece by piece, updating it to gaming. But I was following your advice for keeping it up to date and it doesn't want to and I'm not sure what on it is holding it back. What the lowest common denominator is to get it into the

Leo Laporte (00:21:57):
What here on windows 10. I'm taking, I take it.

Caller 1 (00:22:02):
Yep. It's on 10, but there's another update to another version of 10. Apparently

Leo Laporte (00:22:07):
It won't do 11 probably because you have, there's a couple of things that Microsoft just arbitrarily, by the way. There's no technical requirement. Arbitrarily said you have to have an eighth generation processor from Intel. So does your Intel processor, your I seven dash. Does it begin with an eight?

Caller 1 (00:22:27):

Leo Laporte (00:22:28):
Okay. But what's the B before that I eight

Caller 1 (00:22:32):
Intel core I 7 2600.

Leo Laporte (00:22:37):
Okay. There should be. Anyway. I think, I don't think that that's look it up if you would. Cuz I don't think that's eighth generation, but that would keep you from eight. The other thing that keep you from eight, the Dell might not have TPM 2.0 mm-hmm <affirmative> in any event you don't wanna go to a windows 11 anyway, that doesn't matter. Windows 10 is good through 2025. And for gaming, you probably wanna, well there's some advantages to 11. Are you getting a, a special gaming card for it?

Caller 1 (00:23:05):
The one I got in there now is a gigabyte G4.

Leo Laporte (00:23:10):
That's the mother

Caller 1 (00:23:12):

Leo Laporte (00:23:12):
Okay, good. Yeah, you're gonna, that's fine. So you have a, yeah, that's a second generation Intel. So it's pretty old. So yeah, you should be able though to continue to update windows 10 and keep it secure. That's the main reason Sandy bridge. Yeah. Through through 2025. And that's what I'd do. Leo Laport mic Sergeant the tech guys. Second. So hold on. Cuz we had, we have to take a government mandated break, but you are still on the radio or on the air? On the podcast. So yeah, 2,600 is second generation. Wow. <laugh> wow. So that's why you'll never put windows 11 on it. Actually you could technically you, there are ways to, to get around that I wouldn't bother. Do, is that what you care about is getting to windows 11?

Caller 1 (00:24:04):
Yeah, just sticking with I've lived under a rock for 20 years. So <laugh> 

Leo Laporte (00:24:10):
Yeah. I mean, if that's what you're worried

Caller 1 (00:24:11):
Podcast and

Leo Laporte (00:24:12):
Yeah, you do want, so the thing to look at is to, you know, fi so hit the windows key and and see what I, what do you type about? I can't remember. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and then

Caller 1 (00:24:26):
Reading all this off of,

Leo Laporte (00:24:27):
Yeah. And then it'll say what version of windows, tell me what version of windows you have.

Caller 1 (00:24:32):
It says is windows 10 pro

Leo Laporte (00:24:34):
It doesn't give you a number or anything. I'm just curious. What update you have? You, you want to be 21 H two.

Caller 1 (00:24:45):
That's the one pending that's the update that's okay. Suggesting, but it won't allow it,

Leo Laporte (00:24:49):
It won't allow 21 H two. Okay. That's key because that means there's

Caller 1 (00:24:55):
Does not meet minimum system or

Leo Laporte (00:24:56):
Yeah, that's an age thing. You're cool on. So that means you probably have, I'm not, I don't know what you have. You might 1909. Is that what it says? I think you probably have 19, 19 0 9. Okay. Which is gonna be okay. The end of life on windows 10, 19 0 9. Is oh, was about a month ago. <Laugh> oops. Oh, Mo that's about right. Okay. So you've been getting warnings saying you need to update.

Caller 1 (00:25:33):
I've been ignoring all those. I just went on after a last podcast to see if I could update.

Leo Laporte (00:25:37):
Okay. That's the problem. I can't. Yeah, because 1909 is 29 is September, 2019. And then after that there would be 20 oh, is there 2004? Yeah. You could maybe get to 2004 mm-hmm <affirmative> if you can get to 2004, that would be good. Or 20 mm-hmm <affirmative>. Oh, not two that two, what do they call the 2000? The fall 2000. Get as far as you can, but it sounds like, sounds like for some reason,

Caller 1 (00:26:11):
Yeah. It only offers 21 H two, but it 

Leo Laporte (00:26:14):
And that's the only one it's offering and you can't go to that cuz that's yeah. I'm puzzled now. I don't know. I guess it's the a, it really is pretty old. It's a 10 year old machine.

Caller 1 (00:26:24):
Okay. So new processor and try again.

Leo Laporte (00:26:29):
Yeah, the problem is at this point, when you get a new process, you're gonna have to get a new motherboard. And at this point you're only keeping the case <laugh> yeah, the costume set up. So at this point it'd probably be cheaper and better to buy all new. I mean, you could keep the case, I guess. Try update. I want you to update, you might be able to update if you got a clean install of windows, not to TW you probably, you know, I'll have to look and see what the restrictions are on 21 H two, but be my guess that that's because of the age. I know. Let me see what the requirements are. Oh, sorry.

Caller 1 (00:27:09):
21 H one is what I'm on.

Leo Laporte (00:27:11):
Oh, well then you're golden. Stay with it. Stay with it. Okay. You're golden. That's gonna be good for another couple of years. You're good. Okay. Just do those. When they get critical updates, you know those security patches, you want those? Mm. Right now, but other than that, okay. Hey, thanks for the call. It's good to talk to you. Glad you got in Jake. Keep listening. Thanks. Bye bye. So that one, the end of life on 21 H one is

Leo Laporte (00:27:49):
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Leo Laporte (00:29:32):
It changes colors. Now you've got your Pantone color for your business. Of course we do too. Doesn't change that, but it adjusts hu and luminance. So it's easier for people with vision issues to read. So UserWay will generate all tags. That's one of the reasons it needs AI. It can actually see the picture and generate an all tag that matches the picture automatically. You can go in if you want, you can modify it. Of course it fixes violations like vague links, fixes, broken links makes sure that your website uses accessible colors and you'll get a detailed report of all the violations that were fixed on your website. So you know exactly what it did. Plus you can work with it UserWay, integrates seamlessly with your site builder software, let UserWay help your business. Meet its compliance goals. Improve the experience for your users UserWay can make any website fully accessible, ADA compliant and everyone who visits can browse seamlessly, customize it to fit their needs.

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Scott Wilkinson (00:31:34):
Hey Leo, how

Leo Laporte (00:31:35):
You doing? I am wonderful. Also his good his podcast every other week at forum. The AVS forum I've recommended for years as the place to go to get information about all kinds of. I first discovered them when I was hacking TiVos

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:54):

Leo Laporte (00:31:55):
Back in the, in the TiVo series one day.

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:58):
Oh man. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:32:00):
<Laugh> but, but now they're a little, little more up to date. I mean, they still cover TiVo of course, but a lot of other theater stuff, good

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:06):
Place to go. Well, it's, it's a great place to go for. Like-Minded hobbyists people who are really into, into home theater and, and a and audio and video a and V

Leo Laporte (00:32:17):
A and V

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:19):

Leo Laporte (00:32:20):
I used to shop at the a and V. So what do you wanna talk about today?

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:26):
Oh, well I got a, I got an email from a fellow who goes by Dr. Mcintosh in the chat room, so, oh yeah. I'm not sure if he's in there right now, but he has been in the past. Yeah, sure. He he's a cord cutter. He doesn't even have a TV. He wants, he watches on his computer, but he said, I'm finally kind of getting around to the idea of getting a TV. And he said, but I think I really want a projector. And I say, okay, great. And he's looking at the Samsung, what's called the freestyle, which is a portable projector. Huh. And he, he likes it cuz it's portable. Sure.

Leo Laporte (00:33:07):
People wanna hide those projectors. They don't wanna make, 'em a big part of the, of

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:11):
The room. Well, that's true. And they maybe want to use them in different rooms. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:33:15):
Or outside

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:16):
Or outside weather stars night under the stars kind of thing. Oh yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well his first question is, do they still need a green screen or is that something from the

Leo Laporte (00:33:28):
Past? <Laugh> do not get a green screen. <Laugh> they

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:30):
Don't need a green screen. They never need a green screen.

Leo Laporte (00:33:33):
Please do not get a green screen,

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:35):
But no, they need a white screen.

Leo Laporte (00:33:37):
Yeah. But, and, and you probably should get a good white screen, a good like screen cause they reflect right. They're they're bright. They

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:44):
Reflect the light very well. Yeah. And, and correctly, you know, optimally, I should say, but those

Leo Laporte (00:33:50):
Aren't portable. Well, you can get 'em you can get 'em that you can, you

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:53):

Leo Laporte (00:33:54):
You can. I had one like that. Remember in don't you remember in junior high school, the Asian squad would, would come and they'd set up the screen and the

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:02):
Would pull up from the bottom

Mikah Sargent (00:34:04):
It to my friend's house. And I bring my giant projection screen instead of a tiny little affordable

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:11):
Right now there's a problem with portable projectors. And that is that they're very dim. They're not nearly as bright as, as one that you plug in. Another problem here I is with the, the freestyle specifically, a lot of portable projectors can run on batteries, rechargeable batteries. The freestyle does not. You have to plug it in. It's also like twice as expensive as many others. Hmm. So if he's got the money to, to buy a freestyle and he wants any, he can plug it in and that's really kind of where it's at. I would recommend getting something like the Ben Q which is the company's called Ben Q B E N Q. It's the HT 2050 a it's it's actually classified more like a home theater projector, but it's small for a home theater projector. It's not one of those giant ones that, that you were thinking about, you know, where you have to permanently install it.

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:14):
You can pick it up and move it around, go from one place to another it's much brighter. It's color is more accurate. It's it's, it's just a much better product overall, much better projector overall. If he really, really, really wants a portable that that he can move around. I would say you want one with a battery and you can spend like half as much almost on, on one. That's gonna be as good. It's not gonna be as good as that Ben Q or, or another permanently installed, not permanent, but I mean a home theater projector.

Leo Laporte (00:35:50):
I had a projector from anchor that I really like called the Nebula. Have you ever looked at that? That's

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:55):
The one and I have not personally, but CNET counts it as the best portable projector.

Leo Laporte (00:36:01):
I like it. Cuz it has Roku built in, you know, it has the software built in

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:05):

Leo Laporte (00:36:07):
You know, they have little ones. They have, they have a variety. It's a whole line. They do. Yeah. They do a laser one. Yeah,

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:14):
They do have, I, one of 'em has, is laser I think.

Leo Laporte (00:36:16):
And they're really for beach parties or camping, they're really designed eggs. They even have speakers built in.

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:23):
Yes. Correct. Most the home theater. I mean portable projectors have speakers built in some of them you can even use as a Bluetooth speaker.

Leo Laporte (00:36:31):
Yeah. The little Nebula looks like a Bluetooth speaker. <Laugh>

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:34):
I know, I know. It looks like a soda can almost.

Leo Laporte (00:36:37):
Yeah, yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:38):
But there's the anchor Nebula capsule, which is the little one CNET Jeff Morrison on CNET, who I've worked with for many years has this list go to and look for, you know, best portable projector for 2022. And you'll see the anchor Nebula, Mars two pro is identified as the best portable projector.

Leo Laporte (00:36:59):
And that's not that expensive. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:37:01):
Or 130 bucks at Amazon.

Leo Laporte (00:37:03):
The, they also have a LA as, as you said, like a laser, but that's a lot more expensive. That's 1700 bucks on Amazon, so right. Yeah. But I, I don't know if you need the latest,

Scott Wilkinson (00:37:13):
You don't really need the latest, although it'll be brighter.

Leo Laporte (00:37:17):
It runs Android, not Roku. I said, Roku, I met Android, it runs Android. So it's got Android T Google TV with Android and all that. So pretty cool. Right. You don't even need, you know, you just need to, you don't even need software or anything, you know, don't have to bring a DVD player with you just need internet access.

Scott Wilkinson (00:37:33):
That's right. That's right. So I do not recommend the Samsung, the freestyle because it's too expensive. Doesn't go on batteries. It

Leo Laporte (00:37:42):
Kinda looks dopey. It looks like a, one of those, you know, like a picture light that we would put on the floor to light up, you know, it's kinda weird. <Laugh>, it's kinda

Scott Wilkinson (00:37:51):
Strange. Exactly. So anyway, that's that's my advice for, for Dr. Mcintosh. Good.

Leo Laporte (00:37:59):
Yeah. I liked the, I had the original Nebula when it first came out and I, it was really cool. It was it was a neat idea. It was portable. Had decent battery life. You could at least watch a whole movie anyway. Did it die? Yeah. I have it somewhere. Oh, I might have put it

Scott Wilkinson (00:38:13):
Out in the closet. Well,

Leo Laporte (00:38:15):
You know, I might have also put it out at Leo's garage sale. I do for the company, I bring an, all my old junk it on the longevity conference room table. I think maybe at one point that's where it ended up somebody has it. Right. Somebody in the company has it, but they won't tell me cuz I can't they'll think I'm gonna ask for it back. <Laugh>

Scott Wilkinson (00:38:32):
Yeah, I want that back.

Leo Laporte (00:38:33):
No I don't. It's okay.

Scott Wilkinson (00:38:35):
<Laugh> now Dr. Mcintosh also had another very interesting point here. He said he is prone to seizures. And so he's never gotten into AR VR because he's heard that that can induce seizures and maybe TV's can too certain content anyway, flashing lights, that sort of thing. And that may be a good reason to get a projector rather than a TV, because it's not as bright. Even the brightest projector is way less bright than the dimmest TV almost

Leo Laporte (00:39:04):
I'd consult your physician though. I mean, obviously, well

Scott Wilkinson (00:39:06):

Leo Laporte (00:39:06):
Course, I don't know anything about, you know,

Scott Wilkinson (00:39:08):
Of course your

Leo Laporte (00:39:09):
Particular case. And it did say when we went into Dr. Strange in the multiverse of Indiana Jones,

Scott Wilkinson (00:39:16):
That madness of mul. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:39:18):
Yeah, yeah. Whatever it's called that there were flashing lights and you should be careful if you're epileptic. Ah, so

Scott Wilkinson (00:39:24):
Ah, if you're photo sensitive photosensitive,

Leo Laporte (00:39:26):
Is that what they call it? Yeah. Photo.

Scott Wilkinson (00:39:27):
That's what they call it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, wow. It's interesting that you went to see that movie and you're not really a Marvel fan. I know that.

Leo Laporte (00:39:35):
No, I, but it was good. I am. Did you like

Scott Wilkinson (00:39:36):
It? I am. I haven't seen it yet.

Leo Laporte (00:39:38):
Oh, it's quite good. Well, it's gonna be leaving theater soon. <Laugh> going to Disney plus you can watch, it's funny. We watched top gun last night to kind of get, get in the mood for top gun Maverick. And we had the choice of watching it on the hundred inch projection screen in the living room.

Scott Wilkinson (00:39:53):

Leo Laporte (00:39:53):
Or on the O lead, the cozy lead. And we ended up watching in the bedroom and the cozy O lead

Scott Wilkinson (00:39:58):
On the cozy O

Leo Laporte (00:39:59):
Because it looks great. And you know, the version on apple is is HDR, which is surprising. That must have remastered it cuz it was a I'm sure. Came out at 86. It must have been a film.

Scott Wilkinson (00:40:10):
Oh yes. Correct. Yes. And you can remaster a film to, to be to be HDR. No

Leo Laporte (00:40:16):
Problem. That's how, you know an old guy, I call it a film <laugh> <laugh> Scott will gets an home data geek, watch his show, forum and join him here each and every week. Thank you, Scott.

Scott Wilkinson (00:40:29):
You bet

Leo Laporte (00:40:32):
Dr. Strange in the multiverse of seizures.

Scott Wilkinson (00:40:35):

Leo Laporte (00:40:36):
<Laugh> you know, it's funny. I actually, I did like the first Dr. Strange a lot.

Mikah Sargent (00:40:42):
I did too. I like the first a lot. Great. I, this one just, it's just a little long for me.

Leo Laporte (00:40:47):
It's long and it's complicated. It's very, and there's a lot of crap going

Mikah Sargent (00:40:50):
On so much going on <laugh> I was telling, well,

Scott Wilkinson (00:40:53):
It's go

Mikah Sargent (00:40:53):
Ahead, Mikah. Sorry. I was just gonna say like, there are some comics that I think make great movies and there are some comics that because of the nature of the, the superpowers that they have, they end up having to make kind of messy movies because you've got these two reality bending individuals. I won't say, you know, who all is involved, but you've got actually, you know, different reality bending

Scott Wilkinson (00:41:14):
Individuals. So there are a bunch of Marvel characters in this movie.

Mikah Sargent (00:41:16):
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I do. Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:41:19):
So, well wa it's big. Wanda's big if you haven't seen the w division

Scott Wilkinson (00:41:22):
Show. Oh, wa division is

Leo Laporte (00:41:24):
Hilarious. It'd be confusing. But if you saw and liked wand division, I think you would like this movie, especially.

Scott Wilkinson (00:41:29):
Well, I, I was also a little put off by some of the early reviews that said, this is Marvel's first horror

Leo Laporte (00:41:36):
Movie. It is well, Sam Ramey

Scott Wilkinson (00:41:39):
And I'm not a horror movie.

Leo Laporte (00:41:41):
Sammy's a great horror director. It's not horror it not,

Mikah Sargent (00:41:43):
I wouldn't go horror, but there are a few, not won't say of course, but there are a few moments that I thought I would not want anyone under like 18 seeing that

Leo Laporte (00:41:52):
Happen. Little scary. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> you mean when Dr. Strange is just his skull is like, his face is rotted away. That's

Mikah Sargent (00:41:57):
That's spoilers, but that's not a spoiler. That's no, it's the brutality of, of someone kills the worst is the killing deaths were pretty brutal. That's what I'm

Scott Wilkinson (00:42:04):
Saying. Yeah. Yeah. Brutal, brutal killings. I'm not into is, is the, is the Dr. Strange moment? Like the Indiana Jones face melting. Is that kind where we're going there?

Leo Laporte (00:42:15):
Yeah. It's more prolonged, but yes.

Scott Wilkinson (00:42:17):

Mikah Sargent (00:42:19):

Leo Laporte (00:42:19):
Sam Ramey is a horror guy and so he definitely a horror guy. Definitely got some of his style mixed in with, yeah. Hey, thank that. Thanks for lending me, your wife. That was really great. She was very helpful.

Scott Wilkinson (00:42:31):
I'm so glad

Leo Laporte (00:42:33):
Now Chan take up a singing career. So I'm very

Scott Wilkinson (00:42:35):
Excited. Exactly. Exactly. Well, this is her specialty. Exactly. She's great. Exactly what you, what you went to her

Leo Laporte (00:42:40):
For. So, and you can tell her, I got my bioTE spray, ah, with xylitol.

Scott Wilkinson (00:42:48):
<Laugh> that's good. It works. She might, she might be watching right now. I told her that we were talking about your yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:42:54):
If she is, I will

Leo Laporte (00:42:55):
Be reaching out. Mike is next.

Scott Wilkinson (00:42:56):
Yep. Mike is next. We'll

Leo Laporte (00:42:58):
Get the whole company trained up.

Scott Wilkinson (00:43:00):
I like it.

Leo Laporte (00:43:00):
She has a good idea. I should offer that to anybody. Anybody at Twitter who wants to do it, I'll talk to Lisa and see if she wants to do that.

Scott Wilkinson (00:43:07):
Oh, fantastic.

Leo Laporte (00:43:08):
Cause it is good. You wanna take care of your voice. Exactly. But what she told me, which I thought was really interesting is that older voices, the rules are different. You know, when you're young, you're told, get outta your throat, come from your chest where you could produce and your diver, she said, yeah, but as you get older, you slump into your chest and you start to sound like this. And she said, you don't wanna do that. You wanna bring it back up into the throat and get more activity and throat <laugh>. So, so that's what I've been doing. And then I 

Scott Wilkinson (00:43:36):
Well good for you.

Leo Laporte (00:43:37):
And then I, oh, she's also in chat. And then I did my vocal warm up today. And what was it, mom? What was it? Mom made me match. My M and Ms. Mom

Mikah Sargent (00:43:45):
Made me match. My

Leo Laporte (00:43:46):
Mom made me match my M and S <laugh>. I sent her a couple of links there. A lot of vocal training on YouTube. Huge amount.

Scott Wilkinson (00:43:57):

Leo Laporte (00:43:57):
I was really surprised.

Scott Wilkinson (00:43:59):
Yeah. Yeah. A lot. Lot of people put those things out and I think Joanna would say, some of them are well, that's a problem are good. And some of them

Leo Laporte (00:44:06):
Aren't, that's why I said are a few length saying, are these okay? She said, why? Don't just be careful. Some of them, the range is way too high for you. And you'll hurt yourself. <Laugh> mm-hmm <affirmative>

Mikah Sargent (00:44:15):
Let's she just cringed.

Scott Wilkinson (00:44:21):
Well, yeah. Hey, if you can, if you, if we can get some some twit folks over there

Leo Laporte (00:44:26):
To, I think that's a really good idea. I'm gonna talk to Lisa and see if she wants to, for her

Scott Wilkinson (00:44:29):
To help.

Leo Laporte (00:44:29):
She, we all use we're voice people. We should all should all learn how to do it. Right. So it

Scott Wilkinson (00:44:35):
Would be cool. Exactly. So warming up is really important.

Leo Laporte (00:44:38):
Yeah. I've never warmed up in my life. <Laugh> that's the first, today's the first day I warmed up

Scott Wilkinson (00:44:43):

Leo Laporte (00:44:44):
All right. You wanna hang around for the top?

Scott Wilkinson (00:44:45):
Sure. Happy to

Leo Laporte (00:44:46):
Thank you.

Mikah Sargent (00:44:48):
Oh, such a good song.

Leo Laporte (00:44:54):
Butter baby bitch. Just to lit me. So how do you know this song? This was like 30 years before you were born. This is what my mom and I used to listen to in the car. Always. These it's also in a movie allies, wasn't it in a movie. Build me up butter. I feel like some recent movie. Anyway. That's professor Laura, our musical director, keeping us entertained and amused while we answer your questions. Leo in Anaheim is next. Hi, Leo.

Caller 2 (00:45:20):
Leo. This is Leo OI.

Leo Laporte (00:45:24):
Yeah. Hi Leo. OI.

Caller 2 (00:45:28):
You know what? I've got several things I wanna talk to you guys about, but I'm so glad I waited for Scott. Scott, are you aware that dish is playing SFL in 4k HDR on channel

Scott Wilkinson (00:45:40):

Leo Laporte (00:45:41):
No. Oh yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:45:42):
They've been, I was not aware of that.

Caller 2 (00:45:45):
They've been showing all the USFL games in HDR, 4k. Oh,

Scott Wilkinson (00:45:52):
And they're

Caller 2 (00:45:53):
They're so, so brilliant Scott to, to have those play out and I'm watching them now on my brand new 77 C2.

Scott Wilkinson (00:46:03):
Oh, El

Leo Laporte (00:46:04):
L LGO led

Scott Wilkinson (00:46:06):
So awesome. Yeah.

Caller 2 (00:46:10):
Leo it's so it's so funny to watch you guys on TV and have you playing in my headset on for the radio. It's like watching a Japanese version of God

Leo Laporte (00:46:24):
UA. It's him. Yeah.

Caller 2 (00:46:26):
Yeah. That's right. You're talking four seconds later than what I

Scott Wilkinson (00:46:29):
Actually hear. Oh man.

Leo Laporte (00:46:32):
Oh, the lip. Sync's a little bit off. So the USFL is an upstart football league, us football league. And they do record in 4k. They've done some really interesting things too. They use drones and the drones hover. They're not 4k, unfortunately, but they hover in and among the huddles. Well,

Scott Wilkinson (00:46:48):
The whole, are you sure they're

Leo Laporte (00:46:50):
Not 4s. Maybe they are, could be 4k. There

Scott Wilkinson (00:46:52):
Are 4k drones. Well,

Caller 2 (00:46:53):
Lemme forget. The reason I'm calling is because I'm having a blooming issue with my C2.

Scott Wilkinson (00:47:00):

Caller 2 (00:47:00):
How you get rid of

Leo Laporte (00:47:01):
Blooming? What is blooming? First of all, Scott.

Scott Wilkinson (00:47:04):
Well, it's, it's when you get halos around bright objects in, in an OED, you shouldn't, you shouldn't really see,

Leo Laporte (00:47:11):
I could see that as a backlight problem, but there's no back light in the

Scott Wilkinson (00:47:14):
There's no back light in, in an OED now. What picture mode have you selected?

Caller 2 (00:47:20):
Well, I've been watching standard.

Scott Wilkinson (00:47:23):
I would go to movie or cinema mode.

Caller 2 (00:47:26):
Yeah, but it's so du

Leo Laporte (00:47:28):
<Laugh>, you know what, okay. This

Caller 2 (00:47:31):
Is, it has a yellow tint to it and it's, I don't care for it.

Leo Laporte (00:47:35):
I don't know about the yellow tint, but I can address the dull part it's as if you were eating, you know, hot sauce, your whole life. Right. And then somebody served you Phil Minn or some delicious meal. And you said it's so boring. It has no flavor. <Laugh> you gotta get off the hot sauce.

Scott Wilkinson (00:47:53):
Yeah, you do. 

Caller 2 (00:47:54):
Scott, that's true. So, so so you can find the 4k, a SFL it's on channel five 40. It's not up

Leo Laporte (00:48:04):
There. I should tell people. It's not just dish. Fox is streaming it that way as well. So,

Scott Wilkinson (00:48:09):
Well, that's good because I don't have dish anymore. I used to have dish. Yeah. But when we moved, I

Caller 2 (00:48:14):
Remember you telling me that I remember you saying dish, you had dish about three months ago. Correct. And they used to broadcast 4k, but it wasn't an HDR and it had kind of a yellow haze to it, but now they're HDR. Oh, that's interesting. And they're so nice. But back to blooming Scott, is there any way to get rid of it?

Scott Wilkinson (00:48:35):
Well, I would say turn down the turn down the contrast control for one thing

Caller 2 (00:48:41):

Scott Wilkinson (00:48:42):
Did do that. Have you okay. And didn't do that. Okay. And, and perhaps even the brightness control, but the contrast control is probably the one that's causing the blooming. It's probably not blooming. It's probably what's called clipping, which means that it's trying to get up to, to, to high, to its highest white. But if the contrast control is too high, then it, it gets to that brightest part before the signal does. And so everything above that gets at gets clipped to that level, to that brightness. So turn down contrast, I would highly recommend that you get a disc. Do you have a, a Blueray player or an ultra HD Blueray player?

Caller 2 (00:49:22):
I sure do.

Scott Wilkinson (00:49:23):
Okay. Then I would get a disc. Is it ultra HD? Is it UHD? Blueray

Caller 2 (00:49:30):
It's ultra it's the highest quality you can get.

Scott Wilkinson (00:49:33):
Excellent. Wonderful. Get the Spears and monil HD benchmark ultra HD Blueray setup disc it's probably 30 bucks. And, and go through that and set your basic picture controls if you like standard mode. Okay. Go to standard mode, but set your brightness and contrast controls using that disc. And I would wager that that will solve the problem.

Caller 2 (00:50:05):
Well, I have a tech coming out next week to look at it.

Scott Wilkinson (00:50:09):

Caller 2 (00:50:10):
So I don't know if they can adjust it themselves, but

Scott Wilkinson (00:50:14):
If it's a, if it's a, if it's a good tech, he'll, he'll have that disc and he should be able to do it. Are you having it fully calibrated?

Caller 2 (00:50:21):
No, I don't think I need that. The, the picture Scott, you know, this, this TV is so choice.

Scott Wilkinson (00:50:28):
Oh yeah. Oh man.

Caller 2 (00:50:30):
But when you're watching a, a scene, that's not black in the background. There's no blooming with that. It's just when there's a scene where there's a figure in,

Leo Laporte (00:50:41):
Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute. When you say blooming, I'm thinking now, Scott, it's only when it's a, when there's a solid black that you see that. Yes. And do you see gradations? Like it's it's instead of being a solid black it's, it's almost like it's, it's black than blacker than blacker than blacker and different in 

Scott Wilkinson (00:51:05):
In other words, can you see boundaries?

Leo Laporte (00:51:07):
It's like watercolors. Yeah. I think this may be a compression issue and not a TV reproduction issue. If you've got a highly what you're right. Well, they call it macro blocking. In fact, here's what you do. Leo, you go Google, macro blocking, see cuz. So you can see some examples of it on, on a and I bet you, I'm not saying that's what it is, but that's certainly something to be aware of. And that's nothing the TV can do. It's reproducing the highly, the compress bad compression that it's getting. Yeah. And if you're trying to stream 4k on a satellite, I wouldn't be surprised if it's highly compressed.

Scott Wilkinson (00:51:42):
That's that's a good point. Very good point.

Caller 2 (00:51:44):
Well, I get, I get it. If I'm watching YouTube or Netflix.

Leo Laporte (00:51:48):
Yeah. So I, you,

Scott Wilkinson (00:51:50):
If there's a, if there's a black background, is that what you're saying?

Caller 2 (00:51:53):
Well, yeah. I mean, there's, you know, several scenes where somebody's sneaking up on somebody in the background,

Leo Laporte (00:51:59):
You're gonna see the you're gonna see that macro blocking that's that's a, that's an artifact of compression. Same thing. If you have a big, big blue sky, the blues will not be consistent or won't be a smooth grade, it'll be layers of blue. And that's that's, you know, just a problem with compression. That's not your TV. It's it's compression. That's why I think it is a good idea to get a U H D D V D, which won't be nearly as compressed. Correct. It's gonna be very high quality and that you shouldn't see any macro blocking. I don't think you know. No, that's

Caller 2 (00:52:31):
Correct. Leo. You you've given me a lot of time, but could I talk to Scott off the air?

Leo Laporte (00:52:35):
That's up to Scott. There's no way I can do that. I sure.

Scott Wilkinson (00:52:39):
I don't have any problem

Leo Laporte (00:52:40):
With it. I don't have the technology to do that. If you're on the phone, you're on the air. <Laugh>

Caller 2 (00:52:44):
I, I understand that, but let's put somebody else on and I appreciate your time.

Leo Laporte (00:52:48):
Oh, Hey. It's great to talk to you. Yeah. That's something to be aware of this compression issue. I'm excited. You're exactly right. I'm excited. There are some more FL games coming up because it's kind of a poor man's NFL. They can try stuff. I remember. I, I, I didn't realize you were doing 4k HDR. Somebody said, if you have 4k in your YouTube TV, you could see it. It Fox Fs one is streaming it in 4k. So look around. But one of the things they're doing, I will never forget this shot. They had the drone up in the broadcast booth and when they went to it, it's zoomed, it's soared out of the broadcast booth down over the crowd, onto the field, behind the quarterback right there. Amazing shot. And I think the networks are probably watching this with interest, but they're doing a very good job Fox are doing a very good job of producing this. They're gonna do more stuff in 4k because they've got the stream, right. That's right. So they're doing NASCAR races. I think now we may have, they may have only been a couple of the SFL games. I don't know if they're all they're still playing, but I don't know. It looks like they only, they ended up doing HDR only in the games that end through may. So, you know, it's expensive. They've gotta bring out all those cameras and the tr you need a special truck to do four.

Scott Wilkinson (00:54:08):
You need a, you need a 4k capable truck too.

Leo Laporte (00:54:10):
Yeah. It's hard to do.

Scott Wilkinson (00:54:11):
And more compression. Cause there's more data.

Leo Laporte (00:54:15):
Leo Laport, the tech guy. Thank you, Scott. Scott, you bet more calls coming up. Apparently the LG has a macro blocking filter, which really interestingly that might create what's looks like blooming.

Scott Wilkinson (00:54:39):
Correct? Right. Oh, you know, that's a very good

Leo Laporte (00:54:42):
Point. Might be smoothing out the macro blocking and as a result, giving you a really horrific <laugh> Nicky looking screen.

Scott Wilkinson (00:54:51):
So yeah, I gotta tell you though, when, when we find the house that we're gonna buy and, and live in for years to come, the 77 C2 is my next TV, the, the exact TV that he bought.

Leo Laporte (00:55:06):
All right. I'm gonna put him on hold and it's up to, it's completely up to you, but we'll get I'll get Kim to get his number and, or email or something and you guys can yeah. Emails. I don't think it's a good idea to get in the habit of letting people call you. <Laugh>

Scott Wilkinson (00:55:24):
Well, no, no,

Leo Laporte (00:55:25):
No. Cause don't

Scott Wilkinson (00:55:26):
Give out my phone number because

Leo Laporte (00:55:27):
I think people, I think it will be a problem. Yes. So maybe just give him, give him what email address should he give? Should she

Scott Wilkinson (00:55:34):
Give him asks well, Scott

Leo Laporte (00:55:37):
There you go. Scott@Twit.Tv. Two

Scott Wilkinson (00:55:39):
Ts. That's easy. Yeah, exactly. Joe is asking, what's the name of that calibration disc it's called H D benchmark. The, the actual publisher of the disc is hand forged video. I believe it's, it's produced by Stacy Spears and Don Munk Spears and Munk. So if you look, if, if you Google Spears and Munsell HD benchmark, you'll find it it's available on Blueray and on H U HD Blueray they're, they're slightly different. They're not exactly the same, but the if you have an, a UHD Blueray player like Leo has, then that's definitely the one to get and you set your basic controls, primarily contrast and brightness using the test patterns on that disc. And that will get you a goodly way towards the right setting, the right, the, the optimum picture. Now it won't get you to the right color temperature.

Scott Wilkinson (00:56:43):
And that's what Leo was complaining about. He, he went to the movie mode and it looked dim or dull, and Leo was exactly correct. And it's a great analogy. I'm gonna use that by the way. You know, if you eat hot sauce all your life, which is like what the brighter are more colorful modes are. Then when you look at, when you eat something that's, as it's supposed to be, then it, it tastes dull. Well, similarly, you look at a picture in a TV picture in standard, even mode or E worse vivid mode game mode. It looks like a cartoon, but you get used to it. And then you look at something like what the actual movie creators intended for it to look like, and you go, oh, that's, that's dull. And it's reddish. I, I don't know where you got the yellowish part, but the, the typically the movie mode at first looks a bit reddish.

Scott Wilkinson (00:57:43):
And when, when you look at that at first, you go, oh, I don't wanna look at that. Give yourself a little time, wait, just keep it there for a week or so. It's what the directors and the content creators intended, their content, which they spent hours and hours and weeks, and months and years on it. It's what they intended it to look like. And ultimately it is the best experience. Now I will admit, I know some people, or I've heard of some people anyway, that say I've done that I've waited a week or two, and I've looked at that and I still prefer vivid mode. Fine. If you like vivid mode, put it in vivid mode and enjoy, but be aware that that's not what the content creators intended. It's not what it's supposed to look like. If you like it better that way, go for it. Eat hot sauce on every meal and more power to you.

Scott Wilkinson (00:58:47):
Let's see, Mike guys. Yes, exactly. C2 or the Sony or the Samsung Q L E Q D O L E D. After what we saw at display week. I'm in for Q D O L E D. Yes, I agree. And, and I had forgotten that. And if I, I believe the Q the Samsung Q D O led only goes up to is only available in 55 and 65. And if I were limited to 65, yes, I would probably get that one, except for the fact that Samsung doesn't support Doby vision that's to me a kind of a big deal. They support HDR 10 plus, which is very similar to Doby vision high dynamic range in that it has dynamic metadata that changes throughout the movie, but there's far more content encoded in Doby vision than there is in HDR, 10 plus. Now, will that change in the future? Who can say, but for now Doby vision is, is the, by far the more prevalent format for HDR than HDR 10 plus, which is why I would probably tend to go with ELG. Now, the QOLA did look fantastic. It looked amazing if Samsung were to, you know, finally change its tune and, and implement Doby vision, I'd be all in.

Scott Wilkinson (01:00:18):
Let's see, Joe says both the PS five and Xbox series X have test patterns and calibration guides. Is that not good enough? Yes, it is probably. I've never used them actually. So I can't say for sure, but I would suspect probably. So, so if you have a PS five, or as long as they're in 4k and HDR does the PS, and I know the PS five and Xbox series X are 4k, and I'm pretty sure they're HDR. So probably okay. Mike man. Hey Mike man. Good to see you go to picture. Picture mode, settings, EG noise reduction. Exactly EG noise reduction. EG noise is another name for macro blocking or that's one macro blocking is one type of EG noise and EG noise is what happens when you compress something. Mike man knows this all too well, since he is a colorist and ionist so yes, exactly. Right. That's where you go.

Scott Wilkinson (01:01:27):
Let's see. Mike B I remember SD always felt SD was very dim. Vivid HD looks a lot more realistic in my humble opinion. And I'm old enough to remember before cable TV existed. I I'm, if you know, again, whatever your preference is, if you like hot sauce all the time, go for it. If you like vivid all the time, go for it. I will tell you this in, in whatever objective terms one might use, it is not more realistic, but if you like it enjoy let's see, Phoenix warp one. The only question I have is with that logic is why would, why do you think some TV manufacturers set their TV mode to be what the directors intended? Not very many do most of them out of the box set it to vivid mode. Why? Because they don't know which of their TVs that go to a man that go to a dealer is gonna get taken out of the box and set up on the show floor. And on the show floor, you want the TV to be in vivid mode because it's gonna attract more eyeball attention, but your sh but your living room is not a showroom. The lighting is completely different. So that's why most TVs come out of the box, not in calibrated or cinema mode.

Scott Wilkinson (01:03:03):
Let's see twisted. Mr. Did I see the HDTV test video re Samsung's color tracking scandal? Are you talking about the sub arrangement in the QD?

Leo Laporte (01:03:18):
No. They were changing the way the, the monitor looked if they thought you were taking. Oh,

Scott Wilkinson (01:03:24):
Yes, yes, yes. It, it, it looked correct at 10% and 20%. Yeah. But if you put it, if you put in 11%, it was totally wrong. Yeah. I did hear about that. I haven't read, read much into it if that's true, then man, that's, I, that would turn me off to Samsung big time. That's I did hear about that just at, at display week. That was the first time I'd heard of that. And I, I have to look into that. I haven't had a chance to do that yet, but that, that is really bad. That's almost like the Volkswagen diesel scandal or not diesel. The smog smog control smog test scandal where, you know, they would, they, they jacked the, the software so that it would test well for the smog check, but then afterwards it would emit bunch more.

Leo Laporte (01:04:18):
Thanks, Scott. Well, Hey, Hey, how are you today? Leo Laport here, the tech guy with tech guy too. Michael Sergeant. Hello, eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number (888) 827-5536. I feel kind of bad. We have a friend, so I use soda stream. You use soda stream, right? Right. Yes.

Mikah Sargent (01:04:46):
Yes. I

Leo Laporte (01:04:47):
Like the idea. I don't want plastic bottles. I'm trying to get rid of single use plastic in everything, you know, mm-hmm <affirmative> and the idea of soda stream is you have CO2 cartridges and you make your own soda water, and you can add flavoring and so soda and you don't throw away the bottle. It seems like a good idea. It's

Mikah Sargent (01:05:03):
A good idea at the time. <Laugh> until you realize it's like buying a printer, <laugh> because the cartridges are very expensive to refill. It's

Leo Laporte (01:05:12):
Still cheaper than soda,

Mikah Sargent (01:05:13):
Cheaper than soda. But the other problem is that they are especially difficult when you are trying to find the company that you're supposed to go to. And the, the store that you're supposed to go to. And they're out of them. Sometimes it's, it's

Leo Laporte (01:05:25):
A house. I just do it by mail, but still our friend who is a very big geek, Steve Gibson said, what are no, don't do that. He got a 70 pound CO2 canister, like, you know, human sized <laugh> and a special spigot. So he can recharge the little cartridges that the soda stream uses. He says, oh, Leo, it's so much cheaper. You just get them to recharge it. And you know, it's pennies. It's, Penn's something. Yeah, pennies. It's just pennies. It's pennies. It's nothing. It cause nothing. So I foolishly this was my mistake. I believed him and I bought the spigot and I bought a canister. And then I found out that no one will fill up my canister. Yeah. We

Mikah Sargent (01:06:09):
Thought, because there are lots of breweries around us that one of the breweries would gladly give us some CO2 for pennies, pennies, home

Leo Laporte (01:06:17):
Brewers, you know, use it. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so Mikah, you know, Mikah said, good. We'll share it. You know, I'll leave it in the office. Mikah runs outta gas for his soda stream coming up, fill it up. So I gave up I've I've I've I called around. Nobody would take it, you know, there's exchange programs, but then I would, you know? Yeah. So I just put it at Mikah's

Mikah Sargent (01:06:38):
Desk, just sort of left, left

Leo Laporte (01:06:40):
It there. And, and he said the other day, did you, did you leave that there for me? I said, well, I'm not gonna use it. So maybe you would like to use it now. I feel guilty because I kind of dumped it on you.

Mikah Sargent (01:06:49):
I have found a company though, so I'm gonna reach out to them because they don't put their prices online. You have to actually call them for the quote, but we're gonna see what that is. And if if there's nothing there, then I guess Leo's garage sale will feature a giant

Leo Laporte (01:07:04):
Empty, empty canister, canister, suitable for filling with any, you know, the gas of your

Mikah Sargent (01:07:08):
Choice. There you go. AR on. I don't,

Leo Laporte (01:07:10):
I think it could be anything.

Mikah Sargent (01:07:11):
Yeah. Nitrogen. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:07:13):
Back in Philly, in our char room says he gets his filled at air gas.

Mikah Sargent (01:07:17):
That's that's the company. Yeah. That's the one I

Leo Laporte (01:07:18):
Was talking about. So if, if you can see companies don't want the liability though, of you bringing your own

Mikah Sargent (01:07:23):
Own canister,

Leo Laporte (01:07:24):
Canister, they want to have the ones that just like the propane exchange where they, you know, they, the blue rhino or whatever, they test it. And they, you know, they use their canisters. So it

Mikah Sargent (01:07:33):
Needs to be food grade CO2. Someone had mentioned going to a paintball store

Leo Laporte (01:07:37):
Or a welding store. No.

Mikah Sargent (01:07:38):
Yeah, no. We need food grade CO2, which is what Airgas does provide. Good.

Leo Laporte (01:07:42):
And there's an air gas and

Mikah Sargent (01:07:44):
Yeah. And a surrounding city. Okay. Like, you know, 10 minute drive or something,

Leo Laporte (01:07:48):
So. Okay. Well let me know. We could, yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:07:49):
We'll we I'll figure it out for sure. Because if you figure it out, I don't know if we it's still in. If you want change. Yeah. We can still keep this little this little operation rolling.

Leo Laporte (01:07:59):
I don't know why we start talking about that, but we did 88 cuz that's me. Cuz I am a little a ADHD. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> that's I think the truth or a D D cuz I'm not hyperactive. I'm just, I just my attention wanders.

Mikah Sargent (01:08:12):

Leo Laporte (01:08:13):
Do you, did your attention wander? I was diagnosed with that back in college. Yeah. I, yeah, officially I think everybody's attention wanders these days. That is also true. Everything is in little. You watch YouTube. It's all little chunks. Tick tuck 30 sec like that. We're we have no attention. The future is going to be a very interesting thing. It's be quick. Wait, that's a good news. It'll be over fast. <Laugh> elbow, Monte Belo, California. Hi elbow. Leo LaPorte. My Sergeant. Your tech guys.

Caller 3 (01:08:40):
Yes. good morning guys.

Leo Laporte (01:08:42):
Hmm. Good morning.

Caller 3 (01:08:44):
Thank you for taking my call.

Leo Laporte (01:08:45):
Thanks for calling.

Caller 3 (01:08:48):
I have a HP spectra laptop and of course I love

Leo Laporte (01:08:55):
Those. Do you love it?

Caller 3 (01:08:56):
Yeah, but until I install the windows 11 ohoh

Leo Laporte (01:09:00):
<Laugh> that's always the problem. Those are beautiful. Those are beautiful though. Spectras but windows 11 also beautiful.

Caller 3 (01:09:08):
Yeah. To the point where it doesn't wanna shut down.

Leo Laporte (01:09:11):
Oh nice.

Caller 3 (01:09:12):
So it stays on no matter if I program or tell it to shut down on, on the lid and the button. Yeah. It turns on within five seconds.

Leo Laporte (01:09:20):
Turns back on. Yeah, this is actually a boy. This has been a problem with windows for about 20 years. You'd think they'd have fixed this by now. So a couple of things you

Caller 3 (01:09:29):
Could looked at all the, the websites and all the fixits and some of the options, the panels that they say that are on there are not on there. So I can't fix it. I can't change the, the settings of the window.

Leo Laporte (01:09:42):
First thing I turn up, turn off is fast boot fast. You turned turn that did fast startup. You turned, turned that off.

Caller 3 (01:09:49):
Yes, I did do

Leo Laporte (01:09:49):
That. That's something Microsoft should never have allowed. It causes problems in all sorts of areas, but you turn that off. You're not using hibernate. Make sure you've got the latest bios. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> the other reason the windows will reboot is cuz it thinks you want to <laugh> it it's got stuff to do,

Caller 3 (01:10:13):
But after I shut it down,

Leo Laporte (01:10:15):
Yeah, it says, oh no, no, no, you didn't wanna shut it down. So it's a good idea to look at what processes and services are running. You can probably the, there's certainly an easy way to do it with the task manager, but there's a really wonderful free program for Microsoft called process Explorer. It's part of their CIS internals packages. So if you search for process Explorer, Microsoft, you'll find it very quickly. You can download it, it's free and it tells you what's running in the background.

Caller 3 (01:10:50):

Leo Laporte (01:10:50):
And what you can do as a kind of exploration of what's keeping what's keeping your windows up at night is shut down processes before you shut down the computer to see if it fixes it and you might have to, you know, shut down half of 'em see if it fixes it, then shut down the other half. And then if that half does it, then narrow that down. You're gonna narrow it down to the thing that's doing it. There may just be one thing that's doing it. So somebody suggested trying to shut it down from the command line. Well, yeah. Tell me how you shut it down. I should have asked that. Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:11:23):
Well I pro I program programmed it to shut down when I closed the lid. Okay. It shut down, shut down. And I programmed it to shut down when I pressed the, the power button. So either way

Leo Laporte (01:11:35):
You sure it's shut down and not sleep?

Caller 3 (01:11:37):

Leo Laporte (01:11:38):
No. Okay. So you see it shutting down, you see it shutting everything down, the lights, all go out, it's got a dark screen and then a second later it goes Bing and starts up again.

Caller 3 (01:11:48):
Five, actually six seconds with the lid closed and the power button light turns on. And the annoying part is that I have the Bluetooth on for the Bluetooth mouse and also a Bose speaker that have hooked up to it. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:12:01):
There's a couple more things to try. I need to connect now that I know you have those things connected in the bios. There's some settings, one called wake on land that will actually turn the computer on with land activity. We wanna make sure that any wake on settings, you might even have a, I've seen this in some bios wake on Bluetooth and it may be that that device is waking it up, believe it or not.

Caller 3 (01:12:25):
Okay. But the, the way I've solved the problem temporarily is is I shut off the Bluetooth on the laptop. So it,

Leo Laporte (01:12:34):
Oh, that's interesting. Yes. And that fixes it. I'm sorry. And that fixes it.

Caller 3 (01:12:40):
Well, no, the computer stays on cause it still turns on it just doesn't do the, the speaker anymore or the speaker doesn't go at, at late at nine in the middle of the night, you know, ready to connect

Leo Laporte (01:12:50):
Here is thank you. PC guy, 80, 88. Who's really quite sophisticated. He's given us lots of great answers over the years. There is, believe it or not a command line. I don't know how, I guess with all this troubleshooting, you're probably familiar with the command line now mm-hmm <affirmative> that will tell you what things will wake your computer up. It's a power config program. P O w E R CFG space dash device query space, wake underscore from underscore any. Now I'll put this in the show notes, but you could type that into the command line and give you a list of devices that can wake it up. We'll also give you a command that will shut it down with extreme prejudice <laugh> and see if that works. But I I've seen this before. This is, I'm not kidding. When I say this has been a windows problem for decades and there are a variety of causes. Most of them dopey.

Caller 3 (01:13:51):
Well it's it was all fine. 10 until I updated. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> to 11 and then it all, the little problems started coming up. And this one that I'll go from a full battery charge the night before to the morning. Yes. And it's dead.

Leo Laporte (01:14:06):
Something's running in the background. That's probably the thing. That's also waking it up. Mm. Yeah. There's some, that's why this process Explorer might be a, might be interesting. Okay. I'll wait for the show notes. Cause <laugh> we gave you a lot of stuff there. There was a lot of notes there. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I hope we can help you tech guy. And if somebody's listening and says, oh, that happened to me. And there are lots of different reasons. This can happen in lots of solutions. So we want to give you a pretty good range of these. The website is tech guy This is episode 1899. We're gonna be in the 20th century next time, 1899. And it's free. There's no sign up that does take a while to get the notes up there. They won't be up there until tomorrow or the next day. But once they're up there, you will, should be able to find all this stuff. And if anybody hears something or knows something, let us know. 88, 88, ask Leo more calls still to come. Johnny Jetar travel guru as well. Stay tuned. Leo and Mikah. Your tech guys continue right after this.

Leo Laporte (01:15:17):

Mikah Sargent (01:15:19):

Leo Laporte (01:15:20):
Mr. Petant is back in the house. So it's the Nick tomorrow. Well, I didn't say tomorrow. Did I? John? I just said we'll be in the 19th, 20th century soon. Did I say tomorrow? Maybe I was, maybe I was referring to 1901, which is next Saturday. <Laugh> you ever think of that? <Laugh> but you're right. I was thinking it tomorrow out of date. Bios could do it. All right.

Mikah Sargent (01:15:51):
Yeah. That's what I saw in some of the 

Leo Laporte (01:15:52):
Update your bios

Mikah Sargent (01:15:54):
Help documents. But even after some people updated their bios, it still wasn't fixing

Leo Laporte (01:15:59):
Cole says I cannot stress enough. How much out of date bios would impact his issue? Thank you, Cole. I cannot stress it enough. I cannot stress enough. How much an updated bios.

Mikah Sargent (01:16:15):
I think you are stretching. Stressing your voice. If I do, I am. It does sound a little stress.

Leo Laporte (01:16:20):
It's strained,

Mikah Sargent (01:16:21):
Strained. That's the word? That's the word? Listen to those vocal

Leo Laporte (01:16:25):
Chords stretch. I did tell her that I like to do accents. And she said, what accents do you do? And I said, well, all kinds just depends on my mood. <Laugh> she says, when do you do it? I said, whenever I feel like it.

Mikah Sargent (01:16:37):
Sometimes when I'm talking to

Leo Laporte (01:16:38):
Myself, sometimes when I all the time, when I, oh, you should hear me. When I'm talking myself. I took sometimes the Russian. Yes. Yes. Hey. Sometimes I, I do the Irish thing. Oh, I feel like it's a

Mikah Sargent (01:16:48):
Very, I do like a

Leo Laporte (01:16:49):
Bro. And then when I'm tired, I get very Southern <laugh>. Cause a draw is easy to do. Now. When, where you grew up in Southern, Missouri,

Mikah Sargent (01:16:59):

Leo Laporte (01:16:59):
Missouri. Yo you're Northern Missouri. Cuz Southern. Missouri is the south.

Mikah Sargent (01:17:03):
It is the south, my family. I, because I've listened to them so much, obviously I didn't realize this, but they do have access. Yeah. when Sebastian first met them, he was like,

Leo Laporte (01:17:13):
Whoa. Now what does the sound like?

Mikah Sargent (01:17:15):
It's it's it's not quite LA Savannah or anything like that. And

Leo Laporte (01:17:21):
It's Savannah is S very nice. Very

Mikah Sargent (01:17:23):
I do like,

Leo Laporte (01:17:24):
I, my favorite it's Texas is more hard edge.

Mikah Sargent (01:17:28):
More like this, more like that.

Leo Laporte (01:17:30):
Yeah. Yeah. But

Mikah Sargent (01:17:31):
Maybe not as obvious. But they say, you know, some of them say war instead of wash.

Leo Laporte (01:17:37):
War is yeah. That comes from the MidAtlantic thing. Cause my mom says Washington in DC and wash rag. She doesn't talk. Yeah. Wash rag. Gonna do the wash. I sometimes I say sometimes sound like fog horn leg horn. I say I'll sit.

Mikah Sargent (01:17:53):
Yeah, I don't my, my youngest brother has it the worst. <Laugh> iactually say the worst, but for, for some reason, my youngest brother has a

Leo Laporte (01:18:01):
Very I regional accent to continue. Yeah. Does he use skull chew and tobacco?

Mikah Sargent (01:18:07):
He, he doesn't. Thank God. Okay. 

Leo Laporte (01:18:09):
Because that, that will make it kind of sound well, if you have a little, little pinch between the cheek and gum, it will actually give you that,

Mikah Sargent (01:18:15):
Like, instead of saying stupid, he says stupid, stupid,

Leo Laporte (01:18:18):
Stupid. Are you stupid? Yeah. I got a little pinch between the chick and gum and that makes me sound like this.

Mikah Sargent (01:18:23):
Almost what you to expect. Oh, huckleberry. Finn to sound like, I'll

Leo Laporte (01:18:28):
Say, oh, huckleberry Finn. Oh, he sounds like this. He's kind of more like Andy Griffith.

Mikah Sargent (01:18:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:18:35):
That's yeah. That's more an Andy Griffith kind of a sound. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:18:38):
I think that's where

Leo Laporte (01:18:39):
Is Mayberry? RFD? I know what state is that in news? I say news news. I say which and cool whip and news.

Mikah Sargent (01:18:52):
For some reason, a lot of Midwesterners, they put an L in the word both. And I used to do that as well. Both. They would say both instead of both <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:18:59):
And wow. That's

Mikah Sargent (01:19:00):
A good one. That was actually my, my awakening was when someone said, why are you saying both? And from that point on, I that's, when I started to shift was like in high school and I of shift my focus.

Leo Laporte (01:19:10):
Both of you.

Mikah Sargent (01:19:10):
Yeah. And instead of like, if you're talking about the number 10, we would say 10, 10, 10.

Leo Laporte (01:19:18):
I would love to work with a dialogue coach sometime and learn all of those. Cause that's really fascinating,

Mikah Sargent (01:19:23):
Especially when they can shift so quickly.

Leo Laporte (01:19:25):
So fascinating. Oh

Mikah Sargent (01:19:26):
Yeah. I love watching those videos.

Leo Laporte (01:19:27):
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Mikah Sargent (01:23:08):
Six chickens apart. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:23:10):

Mikah Sargent (01:23:10):
For Petaluma.

Leo Laporte (01:23:13):
88, 88, 88. Where you know what we're missing right now?

Mikah Sargent (01:23:16):
Oh no. Is there another festival? Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:23:18):
The big devil egg testing tasting is going on the contest, the deviled egg contest going on down at the, at the barber sellers right now interesting 65 people. Each of them cooking three dozen. What's

Mikah Sargent (01:23:31):
The devil temperature outside deviled

Leo Laporte (01:23:32):

Mikah Sargent (01:23:33):
I'm a little concerned for people's stomachs

Leo Laporte (01:23:34):
And the noon to two noon to two. We're missing it right now. We go, do you like deviled

Mikah Sargent (01:23:40):
Eggs? I like deviled eggs, but I'm trying to think of how you sort of change. What all can you do to a deviled egg to make it unique?

Leo Laporte (01:23:46):

Mikah Sargent (01:23:46):
Yeah. When does it stop being a devil deviled egg is what I'm wondering. Well,

Leo Laporte (01:23:49):
I think anytime you take the yolk out of a hard boiled egg and mush it up with other stuff, that's deviled.

Mikah Sargent (01:23:54):
Okay. So I could make like a, oh yeah. You put all, some truffle truffled butter, all

Leo Laporte (01:23:59):
Sorts of truffled butter devil day Damian on the line. <Laugh> who's and I'm probably pretty sorry about it too. From, is it, how do you pronounce that? Chey Washington

Caller 4 (01:24:09):
Chi Chiney Chiney Washington. I'm over near Spokane Washington. And by the way, it's Washington, not Washington,

Leo Laporte (01:24:15):
Not Washington. It's not Washington. No Sur,

Caller 4 (01:24:18):
No. And, and by the way, pet that I love Lennox, the little guy on your desk, you know,

Leo Laporte (01:24:25):
Who made that before you say anything bad about it that was made by Mikah. He, he crocheted that with his own little hands. Howdy.

Caller 4 (01:24:33):
Good job. Thanks.

Leo Laporte (01:24:34):
Yeah. And look, the hat comes off. It's a real hat. It's a little penguin with a yeah, yeah, yeah. You like that?

Caller 4 (01:24:40):
Yeah. That's a good, a nice little it's good job.

Leo Laporte (01:24:43):

Mikah Sargent (01:24:44):
Talent, some wise and the voice there makes me think it's gonna go a different way with

Leo Laporte (01:24:47):
That. Yeah, I know. I thought I wasn't gonna like it. So that's why I warned him. Good. Well, you like it. Good. Thank you, Damian. Yep.

Caller 4 (01:24:52):
Yeah. Yeah. And long time washer up quality in a Walter. I've called in a few times.

Leo Laporte (01:24:57):
Nice. Well, welcome back. Good to see you again. Yep. Yeah, what's up.

Caller 4 (01:25:02):
So I have a settlement that I won and I'm some B in. I like

Leo Laporte (01:25:09):
Congratulations. I think that's awesome. I'm sure it's compensating you for something horrible though. So I'm sorry about that, but I'm glad you got some compensation.

Caller 4 (01:25:21):

Leo Laporte (01:25:21):
So what,

Caller 4 (01:25:22):
So I like to get, I would like to get me a good laptop that I can just get and go pick up, pay for it and be done

Leo Laporte (01:25:30):
For, to what end? What do you want to do with this thing?

Caller 4 (01:25:34):
I want a, a, I do a lot of video editing.

Leo Laporte (01:25:37):

Caller 4 (01:25:38):
Okay. I'm not a gamer. I'm not much a game. I do play Minecraft, but I, I I'm, I'm more of a video editor audio editor type guy.

Leo Laporte (01:25:47):
Nice. Yeah. You can play Minecraft on anything. That's not a very demanding game. Yeah,

Caller 4 (01:25:50):
I know. Right. I

Leo Laporte (01:25:51):
Tell you so, but video editing sure. Is what program do you use for video editing?

Caller 4 (01:25:57):
Be one and only Adobe premier premier.

Leo Laporte (01:26:00):
So my son, the TikTok star uses. It's what we use here at twit for all of our all of our shows. Premier will run on Mac as well as windows. In fact, Adobe has made the premiere and M one compatible program. So it runs quite well on the Mac. Would you consider a Mac,

Caller 4 (01:26:19):
Have a Mac, but it does need to be updated. It's an old Mac. It's a good laptop. I got it for free from a friend of mine. The only problem with that Mac is that the battery is totally toasted.

Leo Laporte (01:26:30):
You want the longest battery life of any laptop sold today?

Caller 4 (01:26:35):
I, I wouldn't mind considering a Mac, but if I'm gonna get a Mac, I want one that can do two video screens out.

Leo Laporte (01:26:43):
Okay. All of them can do a second screen. So that's the good, you want two external screens or one external and one internal.

Caller 4 (01:26:53):
Two external.

Leo Laporte (01:26:53):
Okay. So yeah, that's gonna, that is gonna limit you. I would wait. Yeah, I know to see if apple announces the M two tomorrow, apple has done a strange thing or not tomorrow day after tomorrow, Apple's done a strange thing with video on their M one chips. I don't think their video capabilities are as good as they used to be with Intel. Yeah. So the M one MacBook the early original M one MacBook could only drive one external monitor. The new ones can drive two. And if I were you for video editing, I'll tell you what we gave Anthony, who is our kind of, one of our most productive editors. I don't wanna say that. What, how he's he? Cuz we have other editors who are just as productive. Yeah. He's just, but he's one of the most creative of ours. Creative. Yep. We gave him the 16 inch MacBook pro with the M one.

Caller 4 (01:27:41):
Oh, that sounds

Leo Laporte (01:27:42):
Good. M one pro in it. So it depends on how much money you have to spend for battery life. No, plenty good. Congratulations. I guess. I mean, hopefully you're the, the good guy in the <laugh> the only settlement I ever got was from pop chips and all I got was a bag of pop chips that would not buy me a laptop. But no that won't, although some, by the way, Google's paying a hundred million dollars to residents of Illinois because of violating their biometric anti regulations. So I heard about that. Yeah. Yeah. Some people in Illinois are gonna get a pretty good settlement. I would definitely battery life, video editing, even with premier. I would say that the MacBook are absolutely amazing with the M one. See what happens Monday? I don't think they're gonna announce a power M one. They're probably gonna announce a entry level, M two, but I think the M one pro or the M one max on a, if you really, if you wanted to max it out MacBook pro 16 with an M one max 32 or better yet 64 gigs of Ram two terabyte hard drive.

Leo Laporte (01:28:50):
Of course you'd be spending 5,000 boring now, but you'd have a beautiful machine. Beautiful machine. Yeah.

Caller 4 (01:28:57):
Yep. Well, thank you very much there, Leo. I do have another question for you very quick one.

Leo Laporte (01:29:01):
Sure. I got 20 seconds. <Laugh>

Caller 4 (01:29:04):
Yeah. Are you gonna be open for allowing guests in your studio during the

Leo Laporte (01:29:09):
Weekend someday soon if COVID goes away. Yes, but okay. Yeah. And I would love to see you Damien. We'll let you know. Don't worry. Leo Laporte Mikah Sargent, your tech guy, Johnny jet coming up. Oh yeah. If you go, oh, okay. Let's look at the clues. Let's look at the clues. <Laugh> he's got a trampoline behind him. It looks like oh. There's people on the trampoline. He's out in the patio. It is patio weather in Toronto. So it could be Toronto ding, ding, ding. Nice. That looks pretty out there. You having fun?

Johnny Jet (01:29:58):

Leo Laporte (01:29:59):
Is it great to be back?

Johnny Jet (01:30:00):
Yeah. They're having Natalie's friends are having a party for her right now

Leo Laporte (01:30:04):
And oh, I'm sure they're thrilled to see her.

Johnny Jet (01:30:06):
Yes. You wanna be on, this is her. This is a host this with the mostess.

Leo Laporte (01:30:10):
Hi hostess.

Johnny Jet (01:30:12):
They're saying hi. So yeah, they're having a party. That's a clue. And I was like, I need to take, I need to turn the music off for 10 minutes. Just so I do

Leo Laporte (01:30:22):
A oh, that's thank them very much for that. I appreciate.

Johnny Jet (01:30:26):
Hey, thank you, Karen. Yeah. So anyway, we got up there and we're, we're fortunate. We had smooth travels. I mean, not everyone's having smooth travels these days.

Leo Laporte (01:30:38):
That's nice. I'm glad. Yeah. Cause you had the kids and everything.

Johnny Jet (01:30:42):
Let check and see what the stats are for. I mean, American airlines had a terrible day yesterday. All the airlines had a terrible day on Thursday.

Leo Laporte (01:30:52):

Johnny Jet (01:30:53):

Leo Laporte (01:30:53):
Now there's okay. Are you wanna know what the winning word and the script spelling B was? Oh

Johnny Jet (01:30:59):
Yes. I watched it.

Leo Laporte (01:31:01):
Oh, then you know how to spell more? He

Johnny Jet (01:31:04):
Actually, no, you know, I saw the, I saw this easy.

Leo Laporte (01:31:07):
That's not a hard word. Mohen Mohan. I don't know what, even what it means.

Johnny Jet (01:31:13):
I don't either.

Leo Laporte (01:31:14):
You know how they do it. They go what's the country of origin. It's English. Give me the definition again. A hand that lives on the MOS. Oh, Mohan, M O O R H E N. Oh, I would've thought M O O R E H E.

Johnny Jet (01:31:35):
Me too.

Leo Laporte (01:31:36):
Can you use it in a sentence? I got more hen than Mikah <laugh>

Johnny Jet (01:31:42):
I, I, you know, did you watch the, it came off to like a spelling off. Did you see how fast they were going?

Leo Laporte (01:31:47):
No, they moved fast.

Johnny Jet (01:31:49):
They had to do like, well, this one girl did 21 words, I think in a minute. No

Leo Laporte (01:31:52):
90 seconds. Whoa.

Johnny Jet (01:31:54):
90 seconds. It was insane. I was like, I don't even know what the word it was. I would've gotten one. She got 21.

Leo Laporte (01:32:00):
I know some of those words are so hard, so hard, but Mohe seems quite easy to me.

Johnny Jet (01:32:06):
I'm like when I was growing up, the spilling bee was like spaghetti.

Leo Laporte (01:32:10):
Oh, I see how they're doing.

Johnny Jet (01:32:11):
They words can

Leo Laporte (01:32:12):
Pronounce. You can't do any of the any of that. Say it in a sentence during the speed RA. You just have to do it. They're gonna go more hand MLR, Hank again.

Johnny Jet (01:32:20):
<Laugh> yeah. That's it? That it was like a FedEx commercial. Yeah. Old one.

Leo Laporte (01:32:22):
Oh, I wanna see that. I'm gonna watch that.

Johnny Jet (01:32:25):
Actually. It's on my, if you look at my Twitter feed, I retweeted it early this morning. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:32:29):
Nice. I had no idea. You were a fan

Johnny Jet (01:32:34):
I'm I love playing Scrabble.

Leo Laporte (01:32:36):
Oh, so does, so does Lisa she's

Johnny Jet (01:32:39):
I used to be, she lives. I haven't played in a while, but I, I used to, I used to make some money playing Scrabble.

Leo Laporte (01:32:43):
What, why wedding Scrabble? You were a Scrabble hustler.

Johnny Jet (01:32:48):
Well, I used to read the Scrabble dictionary, so I knew all the two letter words.

Leo Laporte (01:32:51):
Oh, so you would challenge?

Johnny Jet (01:32:53):
No, I just, you know, I put words down there and be like, that's not a word. I'm like, it's a

Leo Laporte (01:32:57):
Word. I bet you 10 bucks. That's a word. <Laugh>

Johnny Jet (01:32:59):
Ah, X Xi is a word

Leo Laporte (01:33:02):
Xi. I know, I know all the QI Xi. I know all the two letter weird ones. Of course. Yeah. You have to. So playing Scrabble. QI is one of my favorite. Cause if you get a Q and you don't have a U you don't have a lot of choices.

Johnny Jet (01:33:16):
Our Q a T that always gets

Leo Laporte (01:33:18):
Challenging. Always good. Yep.

Johnny Jet (01:33:21):

Leo Laporte (01:33:22):
Yep. I know all the Q by itself words

Johnny Jet (01:33:24):
Or Zach's I think it's Z a X. I

Leo Laporte (01:33:27):
Haven't Zach's

Johnny Jet (01:33:28):
Zach's it's a roofing tool.

Leo Laporte (01:33:29):
Roofing tool. Of course. Hold on a second. Here we go.

Johnny Jet (01:33:34):

Leo Laporte (01:33:35):
Of course. It's a roofing tool. Oh, he's been everywhere, baby. He's Johnny jet. He's breathing the mountain air out there. I don't know where he is. Hi, Johnny. Our travel.

Johnny Jet (01:33:48):
Hello? Leo. Mikah. Hello,

Leo Laporte (01:33:50):
Scott. His name is Johnny. Oh my God. What was I thinking?

Johnny Jet (01:33:54):
<Laugh> I'm I'm reading

Leo Laporte (01:33:56):
An email from

Johnny Jet (01:33:57):
Scott looking behind me. That's my fault for 

Leo Laporte (01:34:01):
No. Hey, hello. You know he is Johnny. I do know he, hello, Johnny Jed. How are you? You are in somewhere different.

Johnny Jet (01:34:07):
I am I'm in Toronto, Canada.

Leo Laporte (01:34:10):

Johnny Jet (01:34:10):
Just came up on a Wednesday with my family from New York.

Leo Laporte (01:34:14):

Johnny Jet (01:34:15):
And flew out LaGuardia's new terminal B, which is one of my new favorite terminals. I never thought I would say LaGuardia is one of my favorite airports now, but

Leo Laporte (01:34:24):
Laguardia is, I like LaGuardia, cuz it's easy to get into town.

Johnny Jet (01:34:27):
Totally. But I mean, they've done an amazing job with these terminals,

Leo Laporte (01:34:31):
Which airline were you on?

Johnny Jet (01:34:33):
We were on American, but Delta just came out with their new one. Yes. Two days ago actually, while we were there, all the media was here. I was like, why are they here? For the different terminal in

Leo Laporte (01:34:41):

Johnny Jet (01:34:42):
Yes. So this, so I I'm like I'm

Leo Laporte (01:34:45):
Gonna fly to tur party next time I go to New York. That sounds great. Definitely.

Johnny Jet (01:34:48):
Yeah. That mean I'll post some things on Instagram, but they have a, they have a fountain where they're doing all kind of digital stuff. It shows New York shows taxis. It has, it has a New York, New York song. It's a really great, I mean, flight attendants were stopping and recording it. That's how good it was.

Leo Laporte (01:35:04):
Wow. Awesome. So Johnny, did you, one of the things that I suppose we should talk about is that all these airlines are canceled. How many flights did Delta cancel last week? Like a thousand, right.

Johnny Jet (01:35:16):
Well, I think it was combined like 2,400. All these are so they're having problems. I mean, Delta announced last week that they were gonna cancel a hundred flights a day, starting July 7th for the or July 1st to August 7th. And they're gonna keep doing it. And now Americans having problems. They had case

Leo Laporte (01:35:33):
Over to tell me what flights you're gonna cancel before I buy a ticket. If I would like that, I don't understand.

Johnny Jet (01:35:40):
But the thing is, if they do cancel your flight, you get a full refund. There's no ifs, ands and buts. So don't let them try and give you a voucher. If they cancel it, you're entitled by law for a full refund. But yeah, right now American has over 140 flights canceled today.

Leo Laporte (01:35:56):
I don't want, I want to go where I'm going.

Johnny Jet (01:36:01):
But the so Americans' pilots are actually telling their other passengers just don't fly American. They're saying flight Delta reunited, which is insane because they're saying that the they're they're they're their, their execs are not treating them well. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:36:13):
Is that why they're canceling flights or the pilots not showing up or

Johnny Jet (01:36:17):
Yeah. They're staffing issues. They're and then

Leo Laporte (01:36:20):
So, so how much of this is COVID? How much of it is economic? Do we know?

Johnny Jet (01:36:25):
I think part of it is COVID but the major part is just everyone. Every industry right now is having trouble finding workers and airlines, especially because they don't pay a lot. And you know, no one wants to be trapped inside a metal tube with people who are misbehaving <laugh> and you know, and most lot tenants don't get paid until they push back. Yeah. We talked about that last week.

Leo Laporte (01:36:46):
Yeah. so

Johnny Jet (01:36:49):
You know,

Leo Laporte (01:36:49):
It doesn't strike me flight out as a bad job, but I, I mean, that's the thing. It seems like it would be a

Johnny Jet (01:36:55):
Good, it's not as glamorous as it used to be. Yeah. Maybe that's their layovers are a lot shorter. Yeah. You know something now, you know, there's, there's long cues to get, go through security. Fortunately flight crew can cut the line, but it's not just happening in the us, by the way, this is all over the world.

Leo Laporte (01:37:10):
Now how much somebody's asking in the chairman? How much does it cost of jet fuel impact? This

Johnny Jet (01:37:15):
It's not a lot actually, because

Leo Laporte (01:37:16):
Gasoline's expensive, but they do futures right? For their jet fuel.

Johnny Jet (01:37:20):
No, I mean, they do some, they used to hedge, but they're not, I don't think they, I don't think many of them hedge anymore. Maybe Southwest and Delta created, bought their own refinery like years ago, but that's not the problem. The only thing the jet fuel fuel's doing is hurting the airlines bottom line. It's not, it's not really impacting fairs as much because so many people want to get out, see their friends and family like we are now. And so they're flying. I mean, 2.3 million people went through security checkpoints yesterday in 2019, it was 2.6.

Leo Laporte (01:37:49):

Johnny Jet (01:37:49):
We're right. It's not as we're there, but they don't, but it's less, less flights and less staff. And it's creating chaos. And again, all over the world. Ireland, my buddy showed up to the airport in Ireland the other day in Dublin, three hours early, his flight was at 6:00 AM. He showed up at 3:00 AM and he showed a picture. It was a zoo. It took over an hour to check in in morning. Yes. So yikes. My advice by the way is we, we took the first flight out at LaGuardia the other day and we had smooth trail travels. It was at eight 30. We missed traffic, which airline and there was no American actually. Okay. And flying didn't have long

Leo Laporte (01:38:28):
To to Boston end of the month. You think I should worry?

Johnny Jet (01:38:33):
I wouldn't worry, but if you really need to be there like a hundred percent need to be there, book another flight on another airline three hours later. So that way, if JetBlue, for some reason, has some staffing issues or pilots or call in sick, you can least go on United or, or American,

Leo Laporte (01:38:49):
But what do I do then? Can I get out of that ticket if I don't need

Johnny Jet (01:38:52):
It? Yeah. So make sure that, make sure it's refundable, don't buy the oil. Yeah. You can get it refundable and that's a lot more, but you can also just don't buy a basic economy fair. And that way, you know, if you're on the plane, call up American or just get on their website and just, or, or whatever airline you are and just cancel it before you take off. And, and like, you know, 10 minutes before Americans flights take off, just know, know the airlines rules because everyone's different. Some

Leo Laporte (01:39:15):
Of American don't give you cash backs, they give you credit. They'll

Johnny Jet (01:39:19):
Give you credit. They won't give you cash

Leo Laporte (01:39:21):

Johnny Jet (01:39:22):
Unless they cancel, they canceled. They have to give it to you. But that's, that's, that's like a, basically a nuclear option if you really need to do.

Leo Laporte (01:39:29):
I don't have to be my daughter and I flying back to see my mom. So I guess I could go the next day. I mean, I'd have my hotel reservation, but I can cancel that, I guess so.

Johnny Jet (01:39:38):
Well, that's usually two days in advance. So you gotta, you gotta to

Leo Laporte (01:39:41):
Hotels. Are they a little bit understanding if you say, Hey I can't help it myself

Johnny Jet (01:39:45):
All depends. Yeah. It all depends. I mean, it depends if you have loyalty. 

Leo Laporte (01:39:50):
I have no loyalty. I am <laugh>. I am promiscuous.

Johnny Jet (01:39:54):
There's one. There is one way around that, by the way let's is, let's say, let's say, if you can't do the hotel, you call 'em up and say, Hey, I know I'm, I'm within the I'm not within the cancellation period. Can I book it for two weeks from now? Oh. And then, and then you can call up a week later and cancel it, which is kind of cheesy, but I mean, people do that.

Leo Laporte (01:40:12):
Yeah. Well that's a little trick. It's good to know. Yeah. It's a little trick. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:40:18):

Leo Laporte (01:40:19):
Wow boy, I it's it's at the same time as we all want to get away for the summer, you know, and for the first time in years, literally years it's also a little nerve wracking, so just be chill, be calm, be cool. Be ready for anything.

Johnny Jet (01:40:35):
And, and, and do I have a time to give one more quick tip,

Leo Laporte (01:40:38):
Please? You have min two minutes.

Johnny Jet (01:40:40):
Okay, good. So I wrote a post today because a reader sent in saying, Hey, they just made this mistake. They went on Google and they searched Charles to go hotels cuz they're they have a layover at Paris's CDG. Right. And you know, they they've, you know, when you do a search like this, a lot of the ads show up and they were on some res website called according to this reader. And, and they're like, you know, they held my money. Hostage, never book it like that. If you're gonna book, you know, first of all, use a reputable site. So if you're gonna book third party, use Expedia or or SkyScan or something that, you know, and then always check that hotel directly. So if you're booking like person book, the

Leo Laporte (01:41:24):
Marriot, she didn't book directly with a, it was a Shean she didn't book directly with Shean. She did it with some third party. I've had that happen, happen. I've had that happen where you get to the hotel and they say, oh, we don't honor that.

Johnny Jet (01:41:36):
Well, they should, but this there's a lot of scam sites out there too. Right. But always try and book direct. So, you know, you can look at Expedia, find out what the cost is. If it's much cheaper than book on Expedia. But if it's not book direct, because that way you'll either you'll get your points. Number one, you'll get free wifi. Usually you'll get your you'll get a better room. And if something happens, you need to cancel. It's a lot easier to cancel through directly. Same thing with airlines than doing it through a third party.

Leo Laporte (01:42:03):
This is actually a very good warning in general. When you search for something, be careful what you click in the results. Not all results are equal. Some are paid ads, some are bogus, some are Charlotte's and you know, Google does its best to prevent that, but they are not a hundred percent successful. They're not, it's true for searching for anything. Mal any malware software, Microsoft windows updates. You've gotta be careful with those search results. Great advice.

Johnny Jet (01:42:32):
I did that for a ho. I think I was looking at a hotel phone number and I just did quickly. It gave me a number to some third party, 800 number. I thought it was a hotel. It was wasted. My time,

Leo Laporte (01:42:43):
Johnny That's the website. There's an article there. There's lots of good stuff there. Sign up for his free newsletters and join him every week right here. Thank you, Johnny safe travels.

Johnny Jet (01:42:53):
Hey, thank you. Goodbye Johnny. Goodbye, Johnny,

Leo Laporte (01:42:56):
Johnny more

Johnny Jet (01:42:59):
There, Lisa.

Leo Laporte (01:43:00):
All right. Thank your wonderful family for allowing us time with you today. Appreciate it. Well,

Johnny Jet (01:43:08):
Listen, my, they love it when I'm on.

Leo Laporte (01:43:11):

Johnny Jet (01:43:11):
Drives traffic to the website. Yeah. And they

Leo Laporte (01:43:14):
Daddy daddy's gut needs new shoes. Yep. <Laugh> good. Maybe needs new shoes. Thank you, John. Have a great time. How long are you gonna be up there?

Johnny Jet (01:43:23):
Just a, just a, like a month or so.

Leo Laporte (01:43:26):
<Laugh> just a month.

Johnny Jet (01:43:28):
I'm kidding. We're going somewhere in between, but yeah, we're here for a while.

Leo Laporte (01:43:32):

Johnny Jet (01:43:33):
It's been three years. Here's my wife right here. Say hi Natalie. Hi Natalie.

Leo Laporte (01:43:40):
I know you haven't been here in so long. Oh, it's so great to be back.

Johnny Jet (01:43:44):
She said it's so great to, to be back in Canada.

Leo Laporte (01:43:47):
Yeah. I miss Canada. I'll be moving there. After November. I'm moving, but by the way, I, she got, my wife got flagged when we came in first, you know, if you're gonna fly to candidate, come in the morning, we landed around 10 30. Yeah. We did not have any long queues. Like everyone's been talking about good to not, but she did get pulled for secondary. She got for no, she got a random, no, she got a random COVID test. Oh, that's interesting. So when we walked up, when they, they that's fine. I'll take a free COVID test. Anytime if you gotta wait. Yeah. It took eight minutes and the next day we found out she's negative, a free PCR test. I was like, that's beautiful. Great thing. I, I wrote a post about it. I'll sign up for that. Yeah, totally. Totally. I, Mikah, we've run through all our free tests almost cuz we take, we do 'em all the time just to, you know, just to make sure. Yeah. And if you do go to Canada, everyone has to download the IRI. Arrive can app or website. I'll talk about it next week. Okay. John, you're the best. Give my love to everybody. Have a wonderful time. All right. See you travel byebye byebye. Thank you. Bye. Bye boy.

Leo Laporte (01:44:55):
You know that. Love you. Leo Laport, Mikah Sargent, your two tech guys on the radio. Hello? Hello? Hello. Hello. 88. You better get used to this. Say the number 88 88. Ask Leo. Wow. Mikah and Mikah. You could type it all out. You can works. Apparently that works. 88 88 ask Leo and Mikah, which is how's your translation? A oh golly. 88, 8, 8 27. It's it's actually written on the phone here. I don't know either. I just read it off of that. So 8 2 7 5 5, 3, 6. Mike is gonna be soloing in a month. Yes. And we want to get him prepared to host the show all by himself, July and everybody be nice. It's gonna be, be nice to Mike A. Day. <Laugh> on July 16th and 23rd. Yes. Is that right? I wanna say yes. Now you should say yes. I will say yes. Cuz those are the days.

Leo Laporte (01:45:49):
Yes. Right? I hope you get 'em right. <Laugh> I'll be here. I will not be here. I'm gonna be on a cruise with our new drone, TWI fans. We're going on a cruise to Alaska, which seems a little crazy, but yeah, we're gonna do that and I think it'll be all right. I don't think, I think we're, I think we're done selling, but you go to cruise dot TWI, do TV. If you wanna know more and maybe we have some cabins left, Those very nice people at travel store will tell you if we do Ryan on the line from Denver, Colorado. Hello Ryan.

Caller 5 (01:46:24):
Hi. It's actually a real honor to talk to you, Leah. Oh, I appreciate you taking my call.

Leo Laporte (01:46:28):
Hi. I am honored to talk to you. Thank you.

Caller 5 (01:46:32):
I just wanted to say you're a huge inspiration to everything I do. I actually have been listening for a real long time and work in the TV studio for my school, trying to finish up a degree in that and nice. Yeah. Tell all my customers at best buy cause I work there. I tell them all about your show and try and spread the word, but also hi to mic too. That's pretty cool. <Laugh> yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:46:54):
Hello. We're all tech guys here.

Caller 5 (01:46:57):
Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. I did have a question though. When it came to trying to get I'm been starting out doing a YouTube channel and I've been trying to figure out low cost ways you could say to get backup for my video content just cuz you know, files are huge these days and I've been using a Mac pro three one, a 2008 model with multiple hard drives in it and just backing up to that. But I feel like all the file protocols are too slow and seeing if there was like a software alternative or something that you knew that would be better.

Leo Laporte (01:47:38):
You wanna save the originals before you upload 'em to YouTube? Is that it?

Caller 5 (01:47:43):
Yeah. I mean, it's just nice to have the full, the full files. All the RA files. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:47:47):
We do that. So with with our podcasts, we call, I call 'em. I don't know if I made this up or this is actually an industry term, the mezzanine files these are the full quality after editing full quality versions of the shows we're gonna put online and we save those those get that is not what we upload. In fact, when you upload a YouTube, you might, you might upload the mezzanine file, but YouTube then in fact, it's kind of amazing will compress. 'em All for a whole different variety of devices. They make, I think, dozens of different versions. So, but you wanna keep that high quality version. So if you had to re-upload it, for instance, you'd have the full quality to re-upload and just for your own archival purposes, I'll tell you what Alex Lindsay does. Cuz he does a lot of video <laugh> he, he buys cheap, hard drives and hard drives are cheap nowadays.

Leo Laporte (01:48:42):
You could just get the bear hard drive, get it, get a get an enclosure or, you know, they even have like little toasters where you stick a hard drive in it for your Mac. Plug that into the back. USB's fine. And fill it up, you know, store it on that external hard drive. Then he wraps them in bubble wrap <laugh> and sticks them in a closet. Now a hard drive's gonna last, if it's not used, it's gonna last around five to 10 years, you know? So if you wanna keep it past that point, you're gonna want to go through them. John, that's kind of what we do. Right? We have all these hard drives. We don't do the bubble wrap <laugh> we have styrofoam containers. That's okay. That's good. That'll work too. Keep 'em in the kind of temperature controlled area that where it's dark so that you don't have to worry about any kind of aging and that's gonna be archival for some time.

Leo Laporte (01:49:34):
Cds will last, even longer. Dvds will last even longer. If you burn 'em to DVD, those will last about 15 years, but there's no medium that you could put it on, you know, physical medium that you could put it on that won't that'll last forever. So yeah, if you wanna save it forever, that's when the cloud is your best friend, because the cloud if you have a cloud storage provider, you know, it's their job to keep it up to date, to keep it backed up, to keep it in good shape. There's a fairly cheap one called wasabi, w a S a B I they're kind of like Amazon S3 storage, but they have a flat fee model. So you don't have any surprises and they have a, a cold storage solution. That's kind of like as Amazon's glacier, which is similar glacier from Amazon is designed so that it's cheap to store. It's expensive to download it. And the presumption is and slow by the way, that's what they call it. Glacier. The presumption is mm-hmm <affirmative> you're never gonna need this, but if you did, at least you could get it so

Caller 5 (01:50:41):
That, yeah, no, like I've been paying for four terabytes of iCloud storage at the moment, which is too expensive. Now it just

Leo Laporte (01:50:49):
Too, too, too expensive. Apple is very expensive. So look at Amazon glacier is one to They were, they were founded by a friend of mine that used to be a sponsor, in fact, and they have a variety of ways of lowering their costs compared to Amazon, but Amazon's cheapest storage, which is glacier S3. Glacier is pretty cheap. It's pennies. You know,

Caller 5 (01:51:19):
How would that compare to like using that macro of mine as a NAS?

Leo Laporte (01:51:24):
You know, that's another way to do it. And the nice thing about using a NAS is most of them will use raid, which means you'll have multiple drives, storing the data so that if one drive fails you don't lose the data. If you I'll put it all in one drive, then it's all dependent on that drive. So yeah. NAS is not a bad, yeah. You could take that Mac. I, I don't know what the NAS software is for Mac OS. There's free NAS for, for PCs, F R E E N a S that's open source NAS software. Yeah. And since you have the Mac say again,

Caller 5 (01:51:59):
I guess I could always run it on a windows operating system. Cause I mean, it's still versatile.

Leo Laporte (01:52:04):
Yeah. It's an, it's an Intel. Yeah. It's actually, you wouldn't need windows. It's a Linux. So it probably would work on the Mac come to think of true. It's called true NAS. Now I see they've changed their name or no, they still offer freeness. So freeness probably you could install that on that Intel Mac. You're right. It's a Linux. And so that's kind of the idea is to turn an old PC into a network attached storage with redundancy. How many drive bays do you have on that old Mac?

Caller 5 (01:52:39):
I converted the CD drives. They have, I have let me see. Six, four terabyte drives

Leo Laporte (01:52:48):
Through. Oh, perfect. So you could use raid, you could use a high level raid to make sure that even if two drives fail you wouldn't lose any data

Caller 5 (01:52:59):
Now is I was set up, but I, that's kind of where I hit the wall on, like what I knew I was doing versus going into experi.

Leo Laporte (01:53:08):
I would look at that remember that you're gonna have to maintain it. You're gonna have to keep it up to date. If there's a fire, it's all in one place versus a really cheap cloud storage like Amazon glacier which, you know, might cost you 10 bucks a month or 20 bucks a month, but you would never have to think about it.

Caller 5 (01:53:29):
Yeah, yeah. That that's for sure. What's

Leo Laporte (01:53:32):
Your totally. What's your what's your podcast or your YouTube gonna be about

Caller 5 (01:53:40):
It's all it's called robots tech room. And it's been, I've been building it. 

Leo Laporte (01:53:46):
Is it up yet?

Caller 5 (01:53:46):
You know, like another, yeah, I got a couple videos that I've already finished. I recently did a classic Mac unboxing in the TV studio. I'm a technician.

Leo Laporte (01:53:54):
Oh, fun. Are you getting some of the students to help you?

Caller 5 (01:53:58):
Yeah, actually I got a couple students I've tied in and they're we're all now paid employees by the school, so nice. We've been getting this studio up and running and it's nice to train them and like have just,

Leo Laporte (01:54:11):
I'll put, I'll put a link up in the show notes for you. Leo Laport, Mica Sergeant, the tech guy, that guy guy. What's the, what is it? Robots. Tech room.

Caller 5 (01:54:24):

Leo Laporte (01:54:24):

Caller 5 (01:54:25):
It's a robot within an apostrophe robots tech.

Leo Laporte (01:54:28):
Oh, it's like the robot owns it. Yeah, I see it. Nickname. I see it. We'll put a link in the show us, we'll get you some subscribers. That's nice.

Caller 5 (01:54:38):
Wow. I appreciate it.

Leo Laporte (01:54:40):
Yeah, it's really cool. Robots tech room. I love it.

Caller 5 (01:54:44):
Yeah. I've been trying to learn I'm working on so many projects, like some documentaries and other stuff, and I've been doing that on the side. So just really busy in video production. And then someone recommended doing editing through DaVinci resolve not too long ago. So I've been learning that too. And gosh, the so much, so much stuff you have to learn to really do this all on your own. And I'm sure you can, you can relate to that, huh?

Leo Laporte (01:55:10):
Yeah. I've forgotten all that stuff. Thank God. I got John and Burke and the whole team to do this now. Russell.

Caller 5 (01:55:18):
That's cool. Yeah, no, it's really cool to talk to you. I've actually been, I listened. I keep TWI live on on the tune in app on all the Google homes in my house. Usually. 

Leo Laporte (01:55:29):
Oh, nice. You let us invade your life. <Laugh> that's

Caller 5 (01:55:34):
Awesome. Well, I mean <inaudible> and it's really, really, I follow everyone. I watch Renee Richie's stuff on. Yeah, he's great of all those things, so, oh, that's so nice. And you guys are really spread across the internet and I think it's really good stuff.

Leo Laporte (01:55:51):
Right? A pleasure meeting you. Thank you for calling.

Caller 5 (01:55:54):
Definitely. It's been really awesome to talk to you and you'll probably hear from me again. I

Leo Laporte (01:55:59):
Hope so. I count on it. Definitely.

Caller 5 (01:56:02):
Well, we'll talk to you later.

Leo Laporte (01:56:04):
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Mikah Sargent (02:01:07):
I'm glad you pay attention to that. I pay attention. I feel like I'm the only person who does some

Leo Laporte (02:01:10):
Between you and I. I mean between you and me, I pay attention to that. 88 88, ask Leo the number Mica is a Arian and an expert on all things I would say certainly Mac and iOS got

Mikah Sargent (02:01:23):
Both of the phones here

Leo Laporte (02:01:24):
Too. You got an Andrew. Which phone is that? A, this is the

Mikah Sargent (02:01:26):
Pixel six. I didn't know you, not the pixel six pro but

Leo Laporte (02:01:28):
The pixel six. Yeah, yeah. He turned me onto this really cool program camo. Yes, really like it. I was, you know, trying to find a way to do zoom calls at home with a better camera than the camera. That's on the laptop, especially on, on apple devices. The cameras are terrible, but a lot of laptops have terrible cameras. And I borrowed cameras from work and stuff. They kept dying. I don't know why every time I borrowed a camera from work would die. Finally I just got, threw my hands up in the air and you said, well, use your iPhone. I said, I, I wish I could no camo. So you put camo on your iPhone or Android phone. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and then you run the camo software on your Mac or your PC. They see each other and the software then will put it into zoom or Skype or teams or whatever you use. And it works really

Mikah Sargent (02:02:20):
Well. Yeah. I spoke to the developers who created the app and one of the cool things that they do that a lot of other ones don't is they're using the built in technology that apple uses to make these devices show up in QuickTime. And so this is like the purest stream that you can get from the iPhone. Yeah. Where some third party companies that have done this, where they're using like NDI and those sorts of technologies. They it's a little bit, it's a hacky. Way's getting the video out obscured. Yeah. Yeah. So this is as pure as you can get. It's

Leo Laporte (02:02:49):
Still looks <laugh> a little beautified know it does it does your skin looks smoother than it really is. And all that. I don't know if there's a,

Mikah Sargent (02:02:58):
I think that's the image signal processor.

Leo Laporte (02:03:00):
It's what the iPhone's doing. I think mm-hmm, yeah. Isn't that interesting. Still much better than most cameras. It's certainly better than any laptop. Camera have used 88. So thank you. Camo is not at camo dot coms. The, a weird is

Mikah Sargent (02:03:14):
Rein incubate because they made software before they started making camo for sort of backups and, and things like that. To pull stuff out of your iPhone backup and you go all the way back to Blackberry, they were doing backup extractions,

Leo Laporte (02:03:28):
Rein We'll put a link in the show notes, tech guy Let's go on with the calls. Mico. Joshua was I'm sorry. Jessica's on the line from O Claire, Wisconsin. Hello, Jessica.

Caller 6 (02:03:40):
Hello, welcome. So I am calling to encourage you to not give up on your soda stream. I have, I have a solution for you. And

Leo Laporte (02:03:50):
So we were talking at the very beginning of the show about, I love my soda stream, but I buy the little bottles. Right. And Mike and I both have decided they're too expensive. So we were gonna buy a big carbon dioxide canister and fill up the little bottles, which seemed like a good idea until I couldn't find anybody to fill up the big bottle. So how what's, what's your solution, Jessica?

Caller 6 (02:04:11):
So I have the cylinders and what I do is I get dry ice, break it up and then I use an immersion blender and just put the dry ice in cylinders. And as it, once you put the top back on it compress yours, or however you

Leo Laporte (02:04:30):
Say, yeah, cuz there's building up. That seems a pretty risky thing to do. <Laugh> wait minute. How, first of all, how do you open the cylinder?

Caller 6 (02:04:41):
It's pretty tough the first time.

Leo Laporte (02:04:43):
So those screw open

Caller 6 (02:04:46):
Mine does.

Leo Laporte (02:04:47):
Oh, I didn't know. So the soda stream cylinders, you can unscrew them, you put dry ice, which is just frozen carbon dioxide in there. And what do you need the immersion blender for? To kind of break it up?

Caller 6 (02:05:00):
Yep. Because the hole isn't the biggest, yeah. I

Leo Laporte (02:05:04):
Oh, just to get it small enough to put into the hole. Yeah, sure. Yeah. And then you fill it up and if you do you fill it all the way to the top

Caller 6 (02:05:13):
You're supposed to, or I guess you can measure it, but I just

Leo Laporte (02:05:18):
So dangerous. So you put it in there and the dry ice sublimates it turns from a frozen state to a gastric state. And as it, as it does that, of course there's a lot of pressure building up, cuz there's a lot more in the UN frozen state. There's a lot more volume. So it's, it's pressurized just like a CO2 container. B

Caller 6 (02:05:36):
And I know the, I know the newer bottles or the newer canisters have like a emergency like relief that,

Leo Laporte (02:05:44):
Yeah. That's, that's probably a good idea. Cause if it got cause I can, I do not. Yeah. By the way, I am not recommending this. I don't want anybody to do this, Jessica. I love it that you do it. But I don't want to get sued by anybody cuz if you did it wrong, it would be, you could blow up the canister we used to. And again, I wouldn't recommend this, but when I was in college, we were talking earlier, oh dear. About how I think before you're 21 as a, as a, certainly as a young man, young women, I don't think they have this problem. But as a young man, you there's a part of your brain that's missing. It's called the frontal lobe. <Laugh> it's the part of you that says, oh, that's a bad idea. Oh, don't do that. Young men like to take chances.

Leo Laporte (02:06:26):
We were talking earlier about my son's first viral video, which featured hoverboard jousting. My stepson's brush with death segue, jousting with pieces of wood. I was gonna say that's a bit of a pun brush with death. Yeah. Woo. And and when I was in college now I never did this, but my roommates, you know, there would be fire extinguishers on every floor of the dorm and they were, they were just pressurized water. They weren't fancy fire extinguishers. Oh, okay. So what they would do is open 'em up cuz you could, I guess and put in dry ice and more water and then seal 'em up and oh, I forgot to tell you the most important part. They would then tie a string around a rubber bands around the trigger and have the trigger be held open with a piece of wood or something which was attached to a string.

Leo Laporte (02:07:19):
Then they would go put that fire extinguisher in downstairs <laugh> and then they would go up the stairs and tug on the string after a suitable amount of time because it pressure's building up in that fire extinguisher and man, the, the fun and would ensue who, because a fire extinguisher would have highly pressurized liquid in there, much more than normal. And it would, we act like a rocket chip. So it would spin around and go client could make lots of noise as it was in the stairwell and things. Well, it was in a stairwell. You probably chipped a few things. Nothing, nothing. Anyway, I don't recommend that. And Jessica, I thank you for the tip, but use it your own risk. I don't want anybody to get hurt. It's an interesting idea. Yeah. Did you see that, Jessica? Did you see that on a YouTube video or something like that? Life acts life hacker. 

Caller 6 (02:08:10):
Well I had called gear or air gas. Oh by me.

Leo Laporte (02:08:15):
And they told you to do that.

Caller 6 (02:08:17):
Well, no. I had asked if they fill the bottles and they had said no, oh, the guy does paintballing and that's what he does.

Leo Laporte (02:08:27):
I see.

Caller 6 (02:08:28):

Leo Laporte (02:08:29):
That's even more frightening when you're in paintballing. You might trip or something and hit that. Oh boy. Yeah. So, but see, that's why we were gonna get the big canister cuz the little canisters, you know, that's not worth it. But if you had the big canister that you could then fill the little canisters with yeah. You know, for a few bucks you could fill that big canister and fill the little anyway, we have a friend that does that, but I, we have yet to maybe air gas that I think I'm wondering if air gas will fill the big one, the big one because their website suggests yeah. That it would, but, and then by the way, somebody said that welding CO2 would actually be better quality because you don't want any impurities in your world. Well, the impurities at all. So yeah. But anyway, we're not recommending any of this and I wash my hands of the whole thing, but thank you Jessica.

Leo Laporte (02:09:12):
<Laugh> I washed my hands with CO2 <laugh> I appreciate it, Jessica. That's great. Thank you. Oh she's she's I hope I didn't make her. Yeah. I hope I didn't anger her. I just, my fear is, you know, I don't oh no. Let's litigious country. Well, even if it wasn't a litigious country, no one wants to be responsible for having someone's hands. Get blown. Imagine you know, these are they're intended for holding high pressure, but if you exceeded their pressure, I'm glad they have release valves. Yeah. But if they didn't have a release valve and you exceeded the pressure or something went wrong, that metal canister blowing up would not be ideal. No. Even soda stream tells you to replace the plastic bottles that you use once a year because those, those could blow up. Can blow up when they're just getting pressurized. All right. CO2. Anyway, this has been fun. 88. <laugh> next? How to make a bomb? 88. No, no, we're not gonna do that. 88 88. Oh my and mic Leah. It's your fault. I blame you Leo Laport. What the guy, how did we, how did this happen? Leo LaPorte tech guy with Mike Sergeant, the tech guy too. And your call is Richard on the line at 88 88. Ask Leo from west LA. Hello Richard.

Caller 7 (02:10:40):
Hi. How are you? Leo?

Leo Laporte (02:10:42):
We're great. Thank you. How are you?

Caller 7 (02:10:44):
Well, I'm a little frustrated. I've set my Google password a few times. And about every 3, 4, 5 days. It asks me to do it again.

Leo Laporte (02:10:55):
That's annoying. That's very annoying. You mean change it or enter it? Log in.

Caller 7 (02:10:58):
No, just put it in the old one and it works fine. And I get to my, my Gmail. No problem at all. Did it this morning.

Mikah Sargent (02:11:07):
So this, yeah. So what you're saying is every every five or six days, you have to type in your password. Again, even though you just logged in five or six days ago, this is actually a thing that annoys me as well, because it always happens to me when I am recording on Tuesday's iOS today. And you have

Leo Laporte (02:11:23):
To in

Mikah Sargent (02:11:24):
Your password, the middle of the show, and it doesn't matter what you're doing. If you're in the Google sheet or whatever it will have, have you retype in your password. So Google has a protection in place as it sees it to make sure that you are you and that you regularly type in your password to reconfirm that you are you and you can change your security settings. However you want to. Cause I looked into this. It doesn't matter. Google just has. I think it's, it's five to seven days. It's got

Leo Laporte (02:11:51):
A little

Mikah Sargent (02:11:51):
Timer. It's just a little timer that's built in. And so you, the only way to change when that happens is by waiting to type into in your password until later, which I cannot do because it is in the middle of one of my shows. So Richard, unfortunately, this is just a quote unquote safety feature that Google has. That's making you have to type it in again and again. And from all the research I've done, there's no way to shorten or lengthen the time at which it resets and makes you type things in again. And

Leo Laporte (02:12:20):
I would argue, you kind of wanted to do that. Richard, because access to your mail is probably the, besides the bank, the most, the second most important thing, you wanna protect people, get access to your mail. They can go to other sites, including your bank and say, oh, I've forgot my password. Send me a new password or send me a password reset. And if they have access to your mail, then they're, you know, then they have the keys to the kingdom. The other thing that can reset that password, Google sets the password, using a cookie all the sites that have passwords that remember that you've logged in before are doing that. They're using cookies. So when you Facebook, same thing. When you log into Facebook, it sets a cookie that is unique token for you. And when you go back to that page, it says, oh, let me see if that token's there. Oh yeah. Good. It's Richard's token. So we don't ask him for the password again. Now you might be used to Facebook, not asking for the password very often at all. Maybe not even yearly. I don't know. I haven't used Facebook in a while, but Google's trying to be a little bit more secure, but it will step. It will happen again. If you clear cookies or if you don't, do you, do you have any Andy cookie software on your system or anything like that? Richard?

Caller 7 (02:13:31):
Not that I know of, no. Okay. But you know, you mentioned my bank, my bank never asks me to re connect my password,

Leo Laporte (02:13:37):
But do they ask you for a second factor or something or you just, when you go to the bank, it just opens up.

Caller 7 (02:13:44):
I go to the app type in my ID type in my O password and it works. Oh

Leo Laporte (02:13:50):
Yeah. Yeah. But you do type in your password each time. So what are you saying? Google's asking you to change your password.

Caller 7 (02:13:59):
Haven't changed my password in a very long time.

Leo Laporte (02:14:01):
Yeah, but I'm asking for Google. I mean, your bank asks you every time. Google only asks you once a week, right?

Caller 7 (02:14:09):
A little more frequently, but yes, roughly that, yes.

Leo Laporte (02:14:12):
Okay. That's why your bank asks you every time. It wants to make sure it's secure. Are you getting a message from Google to PA change the password?

Caller 7 (02:14:20):
No, it just says we want just what you said before, we wanna make sure it's due.

Leo Laporte (02:14:25):
Yeah. Yeah. So the bank does it all the time.

Caller 7 (02:14:28):

Leo Laporte (02:14:29):
So Google's doing it less <laugh> because it's slightly less important to secure your email and your Google access than it is your bank. So that's exactly right.

Caller 7 (02:14:39):
Okay. Well, as long as it's normal, I it's completely normal. I screwed it up somewhere.

Leo Laporte (02:14:42):
No, no, no, no. It's completely normal. And you want that, but you're right. Some sites you, you know, you may say, well, why is Google asking me weekly? When Facebook hasn't asked me in months, some sites don't take security as a higher a priority. Google's pretty careful about security. I think Google and apple, both I think are maybe a little more proactive about asking for passwords than I would like, but they do it because they wanna keep you safe. So it's fine. It's normal, Richard.

Caller 7 (02:15:10):
Okay. Well, thank you. Sure.

Leo Laporte (02:15:11):
Yeah. Very good. And then the second most important advice that we, I should always mention, turn on. Two-Factor two factor. You have that with Google, you have that with your bank. That's gonna more than double your security. Why? Well, if you if your password gets out, let's say you use the same password on multiple sites. One of the sites is, you know, the Marriott hotel, which gets breached, then the bad guys are gonna try that password everywhere else, including your bank in Google, if it's the same password they may get in. So a second factor, even if you don't reuse, passwords is really important. The second factor is the another way of identifying who you are. So that's what a password is, right? It's something, you know, and in theory only, you know, so that's a, that's one factor, something, you know, and only, you know, another factor might be something you have like I use for instance, a key that I keep on my key chain.

Leo Laporte (02:16:13):
It's a USB little USB key. That's called a UBI key. It's something I have when I go to particularly secure sites, I'll give it my password and they'll say, okay, now put your key in the USB port and press a button. And that really proves it. Not only do I know my password, I'm the only one in theory who does, I'm the only one who owns this key. Another way to do that, that doesn't involve something on your key chain is with an authenticator on your phone or sending you a text message. I'm sure you've experienced that where the bank says, all right, you logged in, but I just sent a message to your phone. What's that six digit code. That's something you have your phone. That's a second factor. There is, it's possible. I have three factors, something, you know, like a password, something you have, like your phone or something.

Leo Laporte (02:17:00):
You are something biometric like your fingerprint, your face ID, your Iris scan. If you combined all three and some super secure places will that pretty much guarantees. You're not a bad guy. You're you? And the nice thing is it's pretty easy to turn on. Two-Factor Google will do it. Your bank will do it. Many sites will do it now, Twitter even does it turn on the two factor? The first time you log in from a browser, it'll say, okay, what's that second factor. And sometimes you can do a text. It's better not to do text cuz you can be your phone number can be spoofed. It's better to run a program like athe a UT H Y or Google authenticator or Microsoft authenticator on your phone. It'll generate those one time codes, those six digit codes. So if I log into Twitter on a new browser that I've never used before I say, okay, thanks.

Leo Laporte (02:17:53):
That's the password, but what's your authenticator code? And I'll open up my phone. I'll open up athe and I'll look at Twitter and it'll say 6, 2, 433. I enter that in. It logs me in. Usually it only does that. The first time you use a new browser, there's usually a checkbox that says you want me to remember that? If you're on a browser at a library, of course you wouldn't want to. And whenever you use a new computer or a new browser, you'll have to do that again. That's a minor inconvenience that adds a major amount of security. So if you haven't turned on two factor on your Google, please do yourself a favor. Do that. There's one more thing to do to secure Google and many other accounts. If they ask for a backup email or a backup phone number, give them that. Cuz if everything else goes south, at least you can have 'em call you and verify your you. And they'll let you back in Leo Laport and Mike Sergeant, the tech guy.

Leo Laporte (02:18:49):
Yeah, Mac file. I should have bought soda sense. A lot of people have told me soda sense is better than soda. I that too. But I didn't know at the time, I didn't know. I gave the soda stream to Lisa for Christmas taking the chance. She'd never asked for it, but she, she drinks a diet Pepsi and I hate seeing those bottles. Yeah. You know, get thrown out and we've been trying, we've done a pretty good job. Now we have recycling, compost, recycling and Petaluma. So we we're getting, getting down there to very little waste and we don't want those single use plastics ever is professor Laura playing this is this a request for, I did

Mikah Sargent (02:19:26):
Request some golden oldies.

Leo Laporte (02:19:27):
Yes. That is a golden oldy who sings that Laura? That's the Marvelettes. Oh wow. That's awesome. That's going before postman who sings? It sounds like Mr. Postman sounds exactly like Mr. Postman. I'm gonna guess it came out about three months after Mr. Postman. Because the guy with a cigar in the record company said, you need another hit girls. Rob's on the line from San Pedro, California. Hi, Rob Leo and Mikah. Your tech guys.

Caller 8 (02:19:56):
Hey Leo. It's an honor talking to you.

Leo Laporte (02:19:57):
Well, it's my pleasure. Thank you.

Caller 5 (02:19:59):
I've been listening to you for probably since I was 10 years old. You're 12 years old. My dad loves your show. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:20:05):

Caller 8 (02:20:05):
That's great. I have a suggestion for you. It's a little bit safer than shove and dry ice and soda stream.

Leo Laporte (02:20:10):
Thank you. Okay. Okay.

Caller 8 (02:20:13):
Home brewing supply stores, they will fill it up with food grade, carbon dioxide for like four or five bucks.

Leo Laporte (02:20:19):
Yeah. That's what the, my original thought was. And we live in beer, land USA. I mean, Lago is around the corner. There're four or five breweries within a square mile of the studio. 

Caller 8 (02:20:30):
Maybe brewery, but somebody who mean

Leo Laporte (02:20:33):
For home brewing like a home brewing supply. I think there is one of those. I talked to our our chief engineer Russell. Who's a great guy who makes his own beer makes very good beer. And he said, yeah, they won't do it because they don't trust your canister. Do you do a canister exchange Rob with the brewing people or?

Caller 8 (02:20:53):
No, my fiance goes to one local to here and they get it. And actually our sister does it too. They get it filled up. They trust them.

Leo Laporte (02:21:00):
Ah, are they attractive young ladies? <Laugh>

Caller 8 (02:21:04):
I would say both of them are.

Leo Laporte (02:21:06):
Yes. That's the, that's what I need.

Mikah Sargent (02:21:07):
Yeah. We gotta find

Leo Laporte (02:21:09):
<Laugh>. Cause if Mike or I go in there, they're going, no buddy. Get outta here. So maybe I'll have Lisa do it. She, she should, she could sweet Drucker way into that. I bet that's the trick.

Mikah Sargent (02:21:19):
Yeah. Cuz I, I just looked at the closest one and it says CO2 tank exchange, but nothing about filling.

Leo Laporte (02:21:26):
Yeah. And I don't blame 'em they don't know where this tank came from. You know, they don't know if it's been tested it's brand new from Amazon. I think that was my mistake. We'll just go over there. We'll say, but then you have to put a special soda stream nozzle on it. Right. Do you do this Rob or are you a brewer home brewer?

Caller 8 (02:21:43):
I, I, I brew my own beer.

Leo Laporte (02:21:45):
Nice. What do you brew?

Caller 8 (02:21:49):
Anything. I like to try my favorites. I made a really good milk St last time. Nice. And

Leo Laporte (02:21:53):
I love milk stacks.

Caller 8 (02:21:55):
Yeah. Blue and clone. Wow. And yep. Yeah. I was part of a blue brew. Sorry. Brew brewing club in college. So fun.

Leo Laporte (02:22:03):
Now you gotta keep the temperature just right, right. I mean it's actually fairly technical.

Caller 8 (02:22:07):
Yes, it is a hundred percent. Yeah. any little variation will throw everything off.

Leo Laporte (02:22:12):
Well, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. I think Russell made a you know, the famous beer around here is the Russian river brewing companies. Plenty. The I can't remember if it's the elder, the younger

Caller 8 (02:22:25):
From plenty.

Leo Laporte (02:22:25):
The younger plenty. Yeah. And Russell's made his plenty clone. That was pretty darn good. Okay. Hey, nice. Thank you Rob. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. I didn't know. This show would become the quest. I know. I love it for carbon dioxide.

Mikah Sargent (02:22:39):
We're gonna figure it out by golly. We will,

Caller 8 (02:22:43):
You know, I driving around Rob errands today and I turn you on

Leo Laporte (02:22:46):
And thank you. Oh, I appreciate it, Rob that. That's awesome. I really appreciate it 80. And thank you for listening all these since you were 10, huh? Yep. I don't even want to ask you how old you are.

Mikah Sargent (02:22:57):
You see if it was 10 Pedro, California. He said 10 and not 10, 10.

Leo Laporte (02:23:01):
<Laugh> thank you, Rob. I appreciate it. Thanks for listening all these years and keep listening. I appreciate it. Thank you. The quest for CO2

Mikah Sargent (02:23:10):
<Laugh> I was just looking if there were some laws or something in California that prohibited it. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:23:14):
Maybe that's it.

Mikah Sargent (02:23:16):
The California thing, but I haven't seen anything so, well,

Leo Laporte (02:23:19):
As long as we're talking, Ryan also has a suggestion. Hi Ryan. <Laugh> from Upland. Hey, you know, I forget this tech guy thing. We're gonna do a beer show from now on what can we do for you, Ryan?

Caller 8 (02:23:33):
So I've been doing this a while and I went the route of filling the large canister and buying the adapter where you can, you can fill it. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:23:42):
That's what I got. That's

Mikah Sargent (02:23:43):
What Steve investment.

Leo Laporte (02:23:44):
Who's in Irvine. He says, there's a guy in Irvine. He'll do it for him.

Caller 8 (02:23:48):
Yeah. I have a place here. I I'm in, I'm in the machine shop business and I have a, ah, a welding supply place or any place like that, that sells food grade. Or welding grade, like all that type of stuff. You could fill these things for about, it's like a scuba tank. Can you fill it for 20 bucks? Right.

Leo Laporte (02:24:04):
Wow. And it goes forever. Right?

Caller 8 (02:24:06):
You fill, you could. Yeah. I, I re I fill a hundred of those, the little

Leo Laporte (02:24:10):
Canvasers, a hundred of them

Caller 8 (02:24:11):
Get done with it. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm guessing, but so

Mikah Sargent (02:24:14):
You're able to just walk in with your tank and say, Hey, I would like to do a refill. And then they do they do the filling or do you have to walk up to the tank and do it yourself? How does the process actually work?

Caller 8 (02:24:24):
So I went to the place and they actually will sell you the large tank and they will refill them. It's like a tank exchange.

Leo Laporte (02:24:32):
That's what I should have done is, is go there and say, I'll buy a tank. Yeah.

Caller 8 (02:24:35):
And then if you buy it from them, it's their product. And they will actually, and they trust like, yep, exactly. And then you just want, my wife does it. She just drives up to the place. She, she hand it to them. They, they gave her new one. It's I think it went up a little bit later. Cause,

Leo Laporte (02:24:50):
And we bought on, I bought on Amazon cuz Steve told us to do this. There's a little adapter you put on the tank so that it can fill the Soer stream.

Caller 8 (02:24:58):
Yep. That's what I,

Mikah Sargent (02:24:59):
So maybe you can return your tank

Caller 8 (02:25:00):
Has a little, it has a little pressure gauge. You can see how, how, how much how much gas you put in.

Leo Laporte (02:25:07):
This is the ultimate cheap skates guide. Yeah.

Caller 8 (02:25:11):
Are expensive man. And we

Leo Laporte (02:25:12):
Are, they do add up if you, yeah. If you use a soda store they're way

Mikah Sargent (02:25:15):
Overpriced, I think is the big

Leo Laporte (02:25:17):
Thing. Yeah.

Caller 8 (02:25:17):
We use 'em all. We use it a lot. We use it every day. So it started getting price. I'm like, I gotta find a better, better way for that. And the crushed ice thing to me. I don't think you can ex I don't think you can put enough ice in those to actually create an issue. But it seemed a little,

Leo Laporte (02:25:32):
That's a good point. You, you probably can't over pressurize it with.

Caller 8 (02:25:36):
Nah, I don't think, I don't think you can.

Leo Laporte (02:25:37):
No, that makes that's a good point.

Mikah Sargent (02:25:39):
But no one try. We're not challenging everyone.

Leo Laporte (02:25:42):
Just besides you can burn yourself with dry. I mean, it's just not a, you know

Caller 8 (02:25:46):
Yeah. I know. That's like the last thing I wanna say

Leo Laporte (02:25:49):
<Laugh> well, it's not too far off from something that a lot of people do, which is refilling their ink cartridges and you know, I've we, for years, companies tried to get on this show saying, Hey, we sell these refill kits. And I said, no, I, I just don't want people. You

Caller 8 (02:26:06):
Work very good for a long

Leo Laporte (02:26:07):
Time. Yeah. And you get all inky. And it's like, I understand inkjet cartridges are overpriced, but boy, that seems like a something

Mikah Sargent (02:26:15):
I wanna recommend past. And it, sometimes they won't even work because of the little chips that are inside of the ink cartridge. So it's not, yeah,

Caller 8 (02:26:22):
Not a great, they never worked for me. I always had a problem with them.

Leo Laporte (02:26:24):
There you go. So I was right to refuse their advertising. Indeed.

Caller 8 (02:26:29):

Leo Laporte (02:26:29):
Yeah. But I did, I did take Epson Zco tank. Cause that was a good idea. Right. And then you just have one segue.

Caller 8 (02:26:34):
Leo. Good segue.

Leo Laporte (02:26:35):
Yeah. If only I had, if only they were still advertisers, I'd be happy. <Laugh> thank you, Ryan. <Laugh>

Caller 8 (02:26:41):
Bye buddy.

Leo Laporte (02:26:42):
You too. Take care. I think we, maybe we should cha maybe the,

Mikah Sargent (02:26:46):
I was gonna say we really hit it. Hit them out.

Leo Laporte (02:26:48):
I'm just thinking the show. We gotta stop doing the computer stuff. <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (02:26:51):
Who needs chip? What should

Leo Laporte (02:26:53):
It be? Should be the life hack show.

Mikah Sargent (02:26:54):
Maybe that's what it

Leo Laporte (02:26:55):
Is. You know? Good friend of mine. Gina Trapani started life hack life, Wait, that

Mikah Sargent (02:27:00):
Was, that

Leo Laporte (02:27:01):
Was her. Wow. Yeah. Many, many hackers ago.

Mikah Sargent (02:27:03):
First site I went to on the web.

Leo Laporte (02:27:04):
Is it still around? It is life hacker. Do everything better. It's been sold a couple of times. Gizmoto owned it. Oh, I guess I still do own it. Now I see that there are a lot of other sites associated, so maybe some big conglomerate website conglomerate owns it, but yeah.

Mikah Sargent (02:27:21):
Sort of a maker slash

Leo Laporte (02:27:23):
Hacks. It was all this stuff. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I love life hacks. Maybe that's the next show. We'll do a life hack show. That could be fun actually. Yeah. Mike and I are always looking for other shows to do so in our in our discord chat LA a lady in Montana says I go through about a soda stream canister a month by myself. That's not too bad. It wouldn't be worth, probably

Mikah Sargent (02:27:44):
I've stopped using mine because I don't have any CO2 and I don't wanna buy it from, but you have a

Leo Laporte (02:27:49):
Giant tank under your table.

Mikah Sargent (02:27:50):
I know. Joined empty tape and no one trusts. They look at that. They say, get at

Leo Laporte (02:27:54):
It's so shiny and new though. She says instead I just started brewing kombucha. Wow. That's another thing I wanted to do. What is

Mikah Sargent (02:28:02):
It? The Coley?

Leo Laporte (02:28:02):

Mikah Sargent (02:28:03):
Mother, the mother. But there's a, there's

Leo Laporte (02:28:04):
Another, no, there's another another name for that. There's an acronym for that

Mikah Sargent (02:28:08):
Kombucha mother.

Leo Laporte (02:28:09):
It's Scooby Scooby

Mikah Sargent (02:28:11):
Symbiotic culture of bacteria and yeast.

Leo Laporte (02:28:14):
See, I don't think I want to grow that in my

Mikah Sargent (02:28:16):
House. I don't wanna Scooby in the

Leo Laporte (02:28:17):
House. Lisa won't let me do it. She said, no. I

Mikah Sargent (02:28:20):
Feel like it'll be funky. Nope.

Leo Laporte (02:28:22):
Nope. Not gonna do it.

Mikah Sargent (02:28:22):
You already did your bread.

Leo Laporte (02:28:23):

Mikah Sargent (02:28:24):
Your bread SCO.

Leo Laporte (02:28:25):
Hey, guess who's coming up. Dick D Bartolo. The GIW he'll probably have a life hacker two for us or at least some

Mikah Sargent (02:28:31):
Something we should buy

Leo Laporte (02:28:32):
Silly gizmo or gadget coming up next on the tech guy,

Mikah Sargent (02:28:41):
SCOBY, Doby,

Leo Laporte (02:28:42):
SCOBY. I really wanna make kombucha, but so Lisa is not a fan of fermentation.

Mikah Sargent (02:28:49):
I made root beer that way. One time. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:28:51):
It'd be delicious.

Mikah Sargent (02:28:52):
When I was in I'd love to do this. It was a Christmas present one year long ago.

Leo Laporte (02:28:55):
What a good idea. Do that again for Christmas,

Mikah Sargent (02:28:58):
It was, it was fun, but it was the problem is it's for me now. I don't, I don't eat or drink anything that has added sugar. And so I, oh, I'd have to make it for, does

Leo Laporte (02:29:08):
Sugar get consumed? I guess you wouldn't want sugar free root beer.

Mikah Sargent (02:29:12):
Yeah. So

Leo Laporte (02:29:13):
Kombucha's not very sweet. Usually it's probably still some sugar

Mikah Sargent (02:29:16):
Still added sugar. Yeah. But

Leo Laporte (02:29:20):
Do you make kombucha Dick in gland?

Dick DeBartolo (02:29:24):
We're making it right

Mikah Sargent (02:29:25):
Now. How many scobies do you have?

Leo Laporte (02:29:27):

Mikah Sargent (02:29:29):
Actually, what's the, I don't

Leo Laporte (02:29:29):
Mean, I don't mean in your refrigerator. <Laugh>

Dick DeBartolo (02:29:35):
No, I was just filling my soda stream from my scuba tank.

Mikah Sargent (02:29:39):

Leo Laporte (02:29:40):
There you go. There you go. It's time. He's dancing in. I love it. Dick DeBartolo. He's got his satin shirt on his tight white pants, his platform shoes. And of course he's got that little necklace with the little corn on it. It's disco, Dick DeBartolo, MAD's maddest writer and the GIW. He joins us every week to talk about disco mad magazine.

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:06):
<Laugh> the

Leo Laporte (02:30:06):
Match game. The most importantly, gizmos and gadgets. Hello? Dickie D Leo.

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:11):
How you

Leo Laporte (02:30:11):
Doing? I'm great. How are things in Disneyland? Are you getting spring? Like weather in Manhattan?

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:17):
We are, we are finally, today is a beautiful day and which is why I have started seeking out fun gadgets to help keep you cool.

Mikah Sargent (02:30:30):

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:30):
And I have two very neat pocket fans <laugh> and when I, when I first read about this, I thought, how could a fan fold up and fit in your pocket?

Leo Laporte (02:30:41):
Folding pocket fan? They

Dick DeBartolo (02:30:44):
Think, well, wait more than that. Yes. More than that. I have two of them. This is the three in one. So the pocket fan, the first one has a 4,800 milli battery. Wow. So it has charging out it's in case <laugh> yes. In case you need help. That's

Leo Laporte (02:31:00):
Cool. Nice.

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:01):
Okay. It's like a battery. It has a, it has a built in flashlight and then it has like two blades that sort of hang down. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:31:09):

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:09):
It is. But when you turn the fan off, it

Leo Laporte (02:31:11):
Looks D droopy, but then it wakes up

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:14):
It ins. Yes. And what's neat about it is if you accidentally touch it, it just stops

Leo Laporte (02:31:19):

Mikah Sargent (02:31:20):
Droops again. Nice

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:21):
It Dr. It DRS back. But wait, there's more, it has a built in flashlight

Leo Laporte (02:31:28):
Story of my life

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:29):
And a flashlight on without opening the cover. And I realize it can be used as a tasklight also wait

Leo Laporte (02:31:35):
A minute. No.

Mikah Sargent (02:31:37):
When you're working on your car, you can cool off and have

Leo Laporte (02:31:40):
The, and have a light

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:41):
And have a light. Or if you fold the cover all the way over,

Leo Laporte (02:31:45):

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:45):
A minute, becomes weight

Leo Laporte (02:31:47):
Flash. There's more, it's eight in one. How much is this amazing miracle device? You

Dick DeBartolo (02:31:53):
Know what it is? I'm looking, let me just see, because the price keeps changing. I think it's under 15 bucks.

Leo Laporte (02:31:58):
I, I feel like when you recommend it on the show, that immediately goes up Uhhuh

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:01):
<Affirmative> it does go up. It it's 16. It's 16 bucks.

Leo Laporte (02:32:05):
The, the Amazon people know

Mikah Sargent (02:32:07):
Made by Jesus life.

Leo Laporte (02:32:09):

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:10):
It's no it's Jesus

Mikah Sargent (02:32:12):

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:13):
Jesus. It is

Leo Laporte (02:32:16):
You it's some Chinese only name. They try to come up with an American name and they fail. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:23):
Yeah. Now that's only one.

Leo Laporte (02:32:26):
What? There's more, but wait, there's more.

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:30):
The other, I bought only course. I, I thought, how could that be? Has the same kind of fan that it, it, you put it in your pocket. The blades are droopy until you turned it on. Yes. This one has a, has a Misty, a Mister it's.

Leo Laporte (02:32:43):
That's what you sign. That's exactly what you need. Because if you spray yourself from condensation property and that, what is it called? The, the condensation property property. Wow. That's the way to be cool. And

Dick DeBartolo (02:32:56):
Yes. So this, it can just miss straight on. Or if you put it on with the fan, it's very clever. It does three seconds of missing and then stops. And then does another three seconds of missing that way you can get an hour to an hour and a half out of the little tank that's in here.

Leo Laporte (02:33:15):
Is it noticeably cooler than the plain old air fan?

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:19):
You, you know what? If you hold it. Yes. If you hold it close, it's

Leo Laporte (02:33:22):
Great because you gotta get the mist on you for it to

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:25):
Yeah, exactly. Cause it's not gonna air condition. You

Leo Laporte (02:33:27):
Could just spritz yourself and then

Mikah Sargent (02:33:30):
Use you have two devices.

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:31):
Yeah. But then you have two things.

Mikah Sargent (02:33:32):
Yeah. I like this. It's all built in. This is made by hun. Hey

Leo Laporte (02:33:36):
Hun. Hey. Hey.

Dick DeBartolo (02:33:37):
Hey hun. Hey. Hey. It should be the other. It should be other way around hun. Hey hun. Hey hun. Hey hun, you got the, the Mista for me.

Leo Laporte (02:33:45):
I have, I have, I have a theory that all of these, all of this stuff that you see on Amazon and Alibaba and everything, it's all made by the same company in China. And they have somebody, some poor guy stuck in a room and they say in Chinese, come up with 23 American sounding names. <Laugh> and he doesn't speak English. So this is what you get. Yeah. I'm gonna

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:08):
Tell Chad had to good. You know, our, our friend, Chad Johnson. Yeah. He said that when they come up with a new product, they sit in front of the computer and they slam their head into the keyboard smash. The, and that's the name? There you go. I'm

Mikah Sargent (02:34:21):
Gonna put carbonated water into the misted

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:23):

Leo Laporte (02:34:23):
For oh yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:25):
Oh, wow. Wow. Right

Leo Laporte (02:34:27):
Now you, I think Dick, I don't know. You might have missed this show cuz it's been going on for three hours, but this has been the soda stream show you, you were the first personnel. Tell me about a soda stream. I think you still use

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:38):
Yours. Yeah. Well, yes. Well, yes. The thing is here in the city. Believe it or not. Zbars upstairs is a big appliance place. Oh, and you bring in your, they did they'll

Leo Laporte (02:34:51):
Exchange it.

Dick DeBartolo (02:34:52):
They exchange it's $15. You drop it off in a new 1, 15, 15 for 15

Leo Laporte (02:34:56):
Expensive for a few dollars more. You could get a 70 pound canister

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:00):
That last for like

Leo Laporte (02:35:01):
A year, a CO2 that would last you all

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:03):
Year. Yeah. And then it'll I have to rent another apartment. Any room for

Leo Laporte (02:35:07):
That's a good point. It is New York city after all, if

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:10):
You want, I could either have that or refrigerator. <Laugh> well you got

Mikah Sargent (02:35:16):
Your MIS fan now, so you don't, you

Leo Laporte (02:35:18):
Don't need, you don't need

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:19):
Anything else. Just

Mikah Sargent (02:35:19):
Run that on your, on your <laugh> your Turkey and

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:23):
Your chick

Leo Laporte (02:35:23):
Jake's website. He's what are you eating from? Zbars right now. You ha you're eating a pot.

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:28):
Key lime tart. Oh

Leo Laporte (02:35:29):
Man. I'm so

Dick DeBartolo (02:35:30):
Jealous with Graham crack crush.

Leo Laporte (02:35:32):
Oh gosh. <Laugh> GizWiz do is the website G Iz, w I Z dot B Iz. He is the gizmo wizard or the GizWiz for short. If you click the button that says the GizWiz visits, the tech guy you'll find all of the little products he's mentioned on the show over the years, while you're there, you might want to click the button that says, what the heck is it? Cuz that's the, what the heck is it contest a chance to win an autograph copy of mad magazine. You have to the end of the month to identify this blob. If you do so correctly, there are for the correct answers. Six autograph mad magazines for the best cute wrong answers. There are 12. So do the math and pick a cute, wrong answer. And all you have to do well. Just go to the website. All the rules are there and then follow those rules there. <Laugh> that'll be a lot of fun. Do we know yet what mad we're playing for Dick or is

Dick DeBartolo (02:36:30):
That yes, we're playing for the actually it'll be out I think next Wednesday so I can show it probably next weekend. Oh good. All right. And you you'll be getting yours shortly.

Leo Laporte (02:36:38):
I I have the, I have the last year or last month's what the heck is it? Contest mad magazine with the rock on the cover. Thank you. Dicker. Dick Dier. Dier D Dicky. Dar. Thank you, sir. <Laugh> I appreciate it. How long have you working together? I'll get your name. Right?

Dick DeBartolo (02:36:55):
One of these years long, 2006. We still

Leo Laporte (02:36:58):
Wow. 16 years together. Dick also does a great podcast with Chad Johnson. The four mentioned Chad Johnson. It's If you love silly gadgets, it's loaded with silly stuff. Thank you, Dicky D appreciate. Okay buddy. Thank you so much. Thank you, Mike. A Sergeant. We're gonna start this new life hack show next week. <Laugh> forget technology. Forget computers who needs life. Monday. Apple makes some announcements. Mike and I will, will kind. We do our little kibitzing thing. We'll sit in our studio, play the apple thing and we'll talk about it. What do you think? Commonary something exciting new you, you said you're excited about iOS 16 and I am Mac OS 13 and all that. Yeah. I can't wait to see what they do with the lock screen. That's apparently getting an update. Oh, lots of fun stuff for the lock.

Leo Laporte (02:37:51):
We gotta that point now in, in smartphone where there's nothing really right. Nothing hardware to do. Yeah. But software they're already perfect. So, oh, we're gonna change the lock screen. Ooh. <Laugh> how exciting. I'm hoping for some new max, but we shall find out. Thank you all for joining us. Thanks to professor Laura, our musical director. She played some good stuff. Beautiful work today. Your requests many. Yes. Thank you. Thanks. Also to Kim sheer, our financial, she answers the call, but most of all, thanks to you. Those of you who put up with us <laugh> every week, bless your hearts. Bless your hearts. Thanks for the everybody who called in and everybody who listens thanks to you, Mikah. We will see you next Saturday. I hope yes. Preparing Mikah for his solo solo. He's gonna be soloing, July 16th and 23rd. You've got the dates.

Leo Laporte (02:38:41):
Yes. I'm very excited. Have a great geek week, everybody. And we will see you next time on the tech guy. Show goodbye, Bob. Bye. Well, that's it for the tech guy show for today. Thank you so much for being here and don't forget twit T w I T it stands for this, including the podcasts for this show. We talk about windows on windows, weekly, Macintosh on Mac break, weekly iPads, iPhones, apple watches on iOS, today's security and security. Now, I mean, I can go on and on and on. And of course the big show every Sunday afternoon, this week in tech, you'll find it and I'll be back next week with another great tech guy show. Thanks for joining me. We'll see you next time.

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