The Tech Guy Episode 1870 Transcript

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Hi, this is Leo Laporte and this is my Tech Guy podcast. This show originally aired on the premier networks on Sunday, February 20th, 2022. This episode 1,870. Enjoy.

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Leo Laporte (00:00:56):
Why? Hey, Hey, how are you today? Leo Laporte here, the Tech Guy, time to talk computers, the internet, home theater, digital photography, smart phones, smart watches. We're gonna talk tech for the next three hours. I know your worst nightmare. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but I'll try to make it easy on you. Try to do it in English and help you understand. I mean, after all this is changing all of our lives some way, somehow, even if you, if a true technology you avoid it, you still can't right. It's in, it's in, it's in there. It's all built in. If you wanna talk high tech with me, I have a phone number, eighty eight, eighty eight. Ask Leo it's the phone number? Yes. Even that's high tech. It's a all digital. Now it's all packets. It's going over the, the internet and all that stuff. 88 88. Ask Leo. Yeah, I think a lot of times now when you use the phone, you actually are using the internet internet. So, so to speak, Sometimes it's a private network. Sometimes it's a voiceover IP, 88 88, ask website techguylabs.com. That's free no signup. And there will be audio and video from the show after the fact, including all the silly things I do in the commercials.

Leo Laporte (00:02:19):
You'll also we put a transcript up there so you can find what you're looking for and jump right, right to that part of the video. There's time codes in there. And of course links all the links. All the links the team is is, is listening and writing it down. As we go, techguylabs.com. That's free, no signup. I'm waiting for the, I'm waiting for the announcement to hit. And I'm waiting for the wave of disgruntlement. When people realize that you will not be able to use windows 11 without having a Microsoft account and without signing in online, which really raises some interesting questions. It's the only desktop operating system Linux doesn't do it. Even apple with Mac OS will allow you to create a local account and not sign into the internet. It's the only desktop operating system. I know that you have to sign into the internet. Now, this is true on our phones. We're used to that. I understand you have to sign in, but cuz you can't really use a phone without connecting it to a network of some kind. But up till now you could use a computer without connecting to a network

Leo Laporte (00:03:33):
Like the home edition of windows 11, the pro edition will now require an internet connection and a micro have to count during setup. Now

Leo Laporte (00:03:42):
There are, I think kind of hacky workarounds. I wouldn't recommend 'em, but I think they're out there, not the easy one that used to be. You could just unplug the internet and it would see that you didn't have the internet and say, okay, fine, fine. Just log in. Okay. Create a, just create a local account. Okay. Not anymore. It's gonna say you have to log, you have to connect to the internet, which seems odd to me that you would. I, I mean, it's, it is the case. A computer without the internet is kinda like a Phish without a bicycle. I mean it needs, they, they, they go together. But at the same time, there are people who don't want to go on the inner internet or want to go on the internet, but do so anonymously privately, not anymore. So the best advice I guess from the experts is create a dummy Microsoft account, set up your windows online and then create a local accountant and just, you know, sign outta that Microsoft account. Don't throw it away. You'll still need it someday.

Leo Laporte (00:04:50):
Now this is not yet in the public build. So I may be, I may be premature, maybe at Microsoft will hear us going what and change their mind. It's possible. Well, it could happen. It does happen. We'll see. We are according to the rumor mill 16 days away, two weeks and two days away from a new apple iPhone, the iPhone se successor, the little Inex, relatively inexpensive iPhone, which I recommend to a lot of people don't wanna spend a thousand bucks or 800 bucks on an iPhone. The iPhone se is a, is a good choice. And it's a, it's the most compact iPhone and it's pretty darn good. And apple sells a lot of 'em I think. So they'll be updating that. We're pretty sure also updating the iPad if you're in the market for an iPad or that might be a good choice, I would wait, you know, and see what they do.

Leo Laporte (00:05:41):
The question is will they announce a new Macintosh on March 8th? Well, first of all, we're not sure that it's March 8th, all this is rumor, right? Speculation. No one knows what Apple's really gonna do, but the rumor is pretty strong. And in the Russian FCC, the central Asian FCC, you know, apple did post four new computers running Mac OS one, at least one of them's a laptop. So usually this happens shortly before an announcement. So let's, let's we'll be interested to see my prediction of Mac mini an updated MacBook air, maybe even w the M two chip in a MacBook pro I don't know. One thing I would like to tell those of you who are interested in Mac Kato is I know that's a small number, but those of you who are see, I covered windows now, cover Mac have Linux news next.

Leo Laporte (00:06:38):
No, I won't. Maybe I will I'll look those of you who use max or are waiting for a Mac should know there's the M one chip and the M two chip and you might reasonably say, well, the M two chip is, is better, right? It's one better. Yeah, no, this, this is gonna be a little confusing. I'm I'm hoping apple adopt some other nomenclature to make this clear. The M two chip is yes, a newer chip based on the chip in the iPhone 13, the a 15 chip, but it will be the low end version of that chip, which will be slower than the high end version of the M one. So the pros will want the M one pro or the M one max or what I'm hoping. And I doubt this is laughing. I'm hoping they'll introduce a third variety of the M one.

Leo Laporte (00:07:32):
There's the pro there's the M one pro the M one, max, we need a third one, like super max. I don't know, some, some third high even higher end, or what they'll do is put multiple M one maxes or something in this mini. Anyway actually the rumor I saw said there will just be an M one pro in the mini, but that faster than the M two, if that makes any sense at all, the M two is initially just as the M one was for the low end. I'm gonna stop right here. This is just, I'm digging a deeper and deeper hole when it comes out. I'll explain it, Sam apple salmon car guy coming up in just a little bit. He will probably mention the good news that the NITSA, the national highway traffic safety administration is about ready to legalize something they have in France, something they have in Japan. What could it be? They've had it for nearly two decades in Europe and Japan, active headlights.

Leo Laporte (00:08:43):
Apparently the federal motor vehicle safety standards only allow for high and low beam headlights, you know, pointed straight ahead. But we have some pretty cool new technology. Audi built it into one of their, I saw it at CES two years ago that is very cool. The adaptive beams use like a projectors and they can be shape the beam. So as you're going around a curve, they could, they can lead you around the curve. They could put a line on the road. They can stay bright without, but leave a little hole for the oncoming driver so that you don't blind them, but you don't have to turn down your high beams. Ooh, Ooh, we're catching up. I was very impressed with that. The e-tron the e-tron actually projected like the line on the road ahead kind of, so you could see where you were. It was very cool. It's very cool. Takes a while. Toyota petitioned NITSA in 20 13, 9 years ago. That's when they began the according to Ars Technica laborious in lengthy, federal government rule making, I guess we don't wanna rush into these things. Right. You know, so I understand Volkswagen in 2016 applied for an exemption 2017 BMW did Nisa. Didn't do nothing except deny it. But now I think Tuesday I'll ask Sam they'll they'll they'll announce. So your next car might have smart headlights instead of the same old dumb ones,

Leo Laporte (00:10:25):
Eighty eight, eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number. I wanna talk high tech with you, you and me together in this. I am your personal Tech Guy. If you've got a question, a comment, a suggestion, give a holler. We'll go to the phones right after this, a smooth operator. That's Kim Shaeffer, our phone angel. Hello, Kimmy.

Kim Shaeffer (00:10:46):
Good Sunday to you, sir.

Leo Laporte (00:10:48):
A good Sunday to you mania. Ah, here we are again. Yeah. Nothing to say about that just is

Kim Shaeffer (00:10:56):
I know there's no like big event today that I know of.

Leo Laporte (00:10:59):
No big event tomorrow is president's day. Yes. Do you take that day off?

Kim Shaeffer (00:11:05):
I take every day off. I'm just a figment of your imagination.

Leo Laporte (00:11:11):
Are you taking today off

Kim Shaeffer (00:11:13):
Mentally,

Leo Laporte (00:11:14):
Mentally? Are you not here? No, I'm here. So president's day, which used to be, remember, you know, you probably not old enough to remember Lincoln's birthday and Washington's birthday being celebrated separately.

Kim Shaeffer (00:11:27):
I never got these days off. I'm in radio.

Leo Laporte (00:11:29):
No radio. You work.

Kim Shaeffer (00:11:30):
I never, I

Leo Laporte (00:11:31):
Never it's. One more excuse. Come into the office. Yeah. So it's Washington's birthday. Not really, of course. Cause you know, the date moves around, right?

Kim Shaeffer (00:11:41):
It wouldn't just be that Monday. Yeah. In February.

Leo Laporte (00:11:44):
Right? That would be, that would be strange. That would be strange birthdays float. It was it used to be February 22nd on a regular basis. And then in 1971, you may remember the uniform Monday holidays act. Oh no, you weren't even born. Which, because they wanted, we wanted three day weekends. They made it three day weekends. So your whole life you've known about, you know, three day weekends when I

Kim Shaeffer (00:12:08):
Was in school. Yeah. I was aware of a three day weekend,

Leo Laporte (00:12:11):
Three day weekends. Now every day is a three day weekend. Well now every

Kim Shaeffer (00:12:14):
Day is a who weekend? What

Leo Laporte (00:12:16):
A life I I'm envying your life.

Kim Shaeffer (00:12:18):
I'm kidding. Kind of kinda kind. Well, I thought we'd start you out. In case you were groggy. I am. You won't be anymore. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:12:27):
Look. Who is it? Mr. Coffee guy. Is it my favorite coffee? Achiever. Thank you, Kim. You're welcome. How many, how many cups in are you Chris?

Caller #1 (00:12:37):
Well, actually I just spoke to Kim about this. I'm real proud of her today. She's in about two cups. Easy. So you can't go wrong there. Two cups. Do we

Leo Laporte (00:12:47):
That's do I count? So I have a cappuccino of a morning. Does that count? It's only a little cup. It's in one, those little Demi tus little tiny little cup. I

Caller #1 (00:12:56):
Like those.

Leo Laporte (00:12:56):
I love those. Yeah. I could drink those those a day. Yeah. See I, but I find one is enough and then roundabout, roundabout, noon, lunchtime, maybe one I'll go out and make another cup of I it's disappointing, but I, but we have, you know, it's see it's it's an office. So we, we not gonna have sure. You know, good co well actually we do. We have a nice espresso machine, but it's too much work. So I use the Keurig. I'm I'm embarrassed. I use the pods, put it in there. Makes it, makes it perfectly kind, fine. Cup of fresh brew. At least it's fresh. It's not remember the old days in the office. You'd go and they'd have the bun coffee maker. That'd been sitting there since 4:00 AM and it's all stick the bottom boy, every radio station I ever worked at, no, no DJ ever make coffee in, in, in their life. It always was the old coffee. Right. Kim, have you remember that? The

Kim Shaeffer (00:13:44):
Old, yes. Gross. Gross.

Leo Laporte (00:13:46):
The old burnt, burnt coffee in the bottom.

Kim Shaeffer (00:13:49):
I prefer the curing

Leo Laporte (00:13:50):
And you're so desperate that you drink it anyway and you really regret it. But yeah, the kegs, that's what that solves. That's why we have the keg to solve that. Anyway. What can I do for you, Mr. Chris, from Miami,

Caller #1 (00:14:03):
Chris from Miami, you know what I gotta say? Last night, I'm gonna try to move. I'm gonna move it along here. Of course, because we a lot more collars that are gonna be coming inbound that interview with, with her last with 

Leo Laporte (00:14:16):
Oh, I, yeah. Isn't she great. So I should give that a little plug, cause that was not on the radio. I have, as some people know a podcast network as well called twit@tit.tv. And yesterday we did a one-on-one interview. I used to do those every week. We called the show triangulate for reasons unknown, cuz there's only two of us, but we stopped it cuz nobody listened to it. I, I am not Joe Rogan. Unfortunately I don't have his money, his looks or apparently his brains. So we stopped doing the one on one interviews, but I had to do this one cuz Amy Webb is a good friend. She's a professor business at NYU's stern school and what we call futurist. And she has written a book about synthetic biology, a world we are heading into it's called the Genesis machine.

Leo Laporte (00:15:11):
It's you know, we're it's she thinks that I think she's not alone. Bill gates used to say this. I remember a lot of people saying this, the next we we've. We had the industrial revolution in the 19th century, in the, in the 20th and 21st century. We've had the information revolution with computer technology, digital technology. The next big revolution is imminent and that's the IO revolution where you'll be able to not just pick the sex of your baby. You'll you'll be able to pick how smart they are, how fast they can run. She says, be careful though, you can't, for instance, you can't pick a six foot five child say I want a tall child, but I want them to have very petite feet cuz they'd fall over you. Yeah. So, so that's a good point. That's a she's thinking, see she's using her Nagan but there are things that are coming that are both terrifying and incredible, but we're just not, we're not really thinking about it and it's just gonna happen.

Leo Laporte (00:16:07):
Just gonna happen already in China, a physician modified embryos in, in, in the embryo embryo, before they were born to make them HIV resistant and the Chinese government pretended to censor him because the whole world community was up in arms in the gas. This was the kind of editing she called germline editing. You heard her talk about the, that, which isn't just a change to the child. It's a change to their, their future children. Like it changes the whole line of DNA and we can do it. So while it's considered to be not legal globally, the international communities agreed. We shouldn't be doing that. You know it's gonna happen. So there's all sorts of things coming down. The, the pike. It was fascinating. Thank you for that plug twit.tv/uh I think what is it? John news or events? I can never remember twit dot TV's slash events and you can watch or listen to that interview with Amy Webb, her new book. I recommend it.

Caller #1 (00:17:11):
Was that good? Good. It was

Leo Laporte (00:17:12):
That good. Thank you for, give me a chance to plug that.

Caller #1 (00:17:16):
Oh, you know what? It's absolutely perfect. I mean, I've seen it three times already and I book

Leo Laporte (00:17:21):
You watched it three times.

Caller #1 (00:17:23):
It was real. Cause we don't do triangulation anymore.

Leo Laporte (00:17:26):
You drink too much coffee and it was it's hard to follow.

Caller #1 (00:17:30):
No, it was really good. Actually. You're very easy to follow and show. Well, I bought them book 27 93. It'll be here on Feb 21.

Leo Laporte (00:17:37):
Good. You're gonna, I think you're gonna, it's one of those books that it's one of those books that really is a page Turner. Believe it or not, it's not a dry science book. It's a grip it's gripping and fascinating. And there's a whole section where they imagine a future world you know, all these different things happening, what it might mean, including Ted Cruz in his 55th year in the Senate, because we will not age anymore. And so this is all very, I think very interesting. Anyway, did you have a question cuz we only have 30 seconds left, but thank you for the plug.

Caller #1 (00:18:13):
Well, you know what I like to pitch in. I like to support the team. Thank you. And I, I love what, so I'm gonna send you an email because I'm gonna be getting the new, the new Mac mini cause I don't know what modern good

Leo Laporte (00:18:23):
You and

Caller #1 (00:18:23):
I, I did get

Leo Laporte (00:18:24):
In when that comes out, March 8th, let's do a thing on it cuz I'm I'm also in line. I've been saving my pennies all year. Cuz that's the one, the next Mac. I want Chris always a pleasure. Sorry to have to cut you off. Coming up. Sam will Sam. We talk cars. I'm sorry Chris, but you know what? I appreciate you took one for the team. You didn't get to your question cuz you gave me a chance to plug that interview. So thank you.

Caller #1 (00:18:55):
So we do here at twitn.

Leo Laporte (00:18:56):
That's what we do. You're part of the fam we do you're in the fam now. Thank you sir. That's the thing, everybody. That's the young people. They call it the fam Hey fam the fam my son does that on his TikTok. I said, dude, I'm your fam. They're not your fam. He said, no, they're all the fam. Okay. Okay. What can, what did you want to talk about? You said I see a Sonology in here.

Caller #1 (00:19:20):
Yeah. Well I did reach out to them. I got a wonderful fellow on the phone. He was 10 star and I said, I don't know what to do. I said, but I do need to get back to Leo Laport at twit. I got that's what I do. He's like he is the boss man. I said, you know, if I have any questions,

Leo Laporte (00:19:34):
He knew who I was.

Caller #1 (00:19:35):
Everybody. He knew who you were. Cause he listened.

Leo Laporte (00:19:37):
Oh that's nice. Hello? Sonology guy. That's very nice. Yeah. Hello.

Caller #1 (00:19:41):
Hello. I don't know what to get the D he said start simple D you know, get too draws. But I said, suppose I want to expand. And I said, you know, this is a little bit beyond me. I says, I'm gonna just take some information and throw back at Leo and then he'll know what to do.

Leo Laporte (00:19:54):
Sonology has an interesting naming scheme. That is very strange, strange. So it starts with the year of the model, right? So if you get a and then, or rather it starts with a number of drives, it will support if you add an extension. So there's the number of bays built in, which I think is the, should be the number, but no, they, so for instance, there's the DS two 20, which came out in 2020 and supports two drives. And there's the four 20 and et cetera, et cetera. I have a 1519, which came out in 2019 and does not support F 15 drives unless you buy the extender. It has five pill, 10. The problem with doing buying a, a NAS like that with all of those drive bays is its you gotta put it in the drives if you have drives lying around. Okay. But it's a, you know, the cost of the device is 600 bucks plus five drives. So the nice thing about five drives or four drives is you really get a lot of capacity. I would, if I were you, I would look at the nine 20 plus you want the plus cuz those have better CPUs.

Caller #1 (00:21:04):
Okay.

Leo Laporte (00:21:06):
It to be depends how much you wanna store? Are you putting movies on it or

Caller #1 (00:21:10):
No, no movies. Just really photos. We're you know, we're getting into photo editing, just a lot of photos, you know, backup break with files information.

Leo Laporte (00:21:16):
Well he's right. Two, two drives would probably be enough. Cuz that's, you know, nowadays drives are so huge. You're gonna get 16 terabyte drives. I mean 32 raw and then you have to save some for redundancy. That means you'll probably have 25. They have a little calculator on here, but 25 terabytes. I don't think you're ever gonna take enough pictures to fill that. Okay. So because drives are so big now. Yeah, you can, you can go really big. Now the advantage of having a five bay is that I can have two redundant drives and that's what I do. So three drives plus two redundant drives. So you get less storage, but you get mu you two drive up to two drives, can fail simultaneously without losing any data. I like that. Oh, okay. I like that. So it depends on, you know, how much money and then you can also, and I did the little SSD in the bottom. That speeds up small file rights. It's a cash. Okay. So that's, you know, you can,

Caller #1 (00:22:18):
It much to learn. I got too,

Leo Laporte (00:22:19):
It's a lot of money. Really. It depends on how much you wanna store and how much you wanna spend. Hey, I have to run something

Caller #1 (00:22:25):
To move forward.

Leo Laporte (00:22:25):
It's a pleasure talking to you. Are you so you can get the mini, see, I think this will be a good combination with the mini cuz then you can get a cheaper mini, right? I'm only gonna get a five 12 gig mini because I'm gonna use external storage and backup on the NAS.

Caller #1 (00:22:39):
Interesting. Okay. That's really good. Yeah. I'm tired of them. I like the IMAX, but the problem is you can't really move them. If you have to bring 'em in or whatever. If I have a problem, I can just

Leo Laporte (00:22:46):
The minis. You could practically put it in your pocket. Yeah.

Caller #1 (00:22:49):
Yeah. That's my whole idea to kind of modernize a lot more, but kind of just keep it, slim it down a lot more by have you

Leo Laporte (00:22:55):
Know, little it easier. Exactly. Okay. Hey, take care. Yeah.

Caller #1 (00:22:59):
All right. You too. My friend. Thanks. Thank

Leo Laporte (00:23:00):
You. Thanks Chris. There he is. His little coffee can steering wheel driving down the Boulevard, bouncing up and down. It's our own low rider. Sam boo Sam. He is a principal researcher at guide house insights. He also does the wheel bearings podcast. You can find it on all the podcast platforms or@theirwebsitewheelbearings.media. Hello Sam, how you doing? Hello Leo. How are you this morning? I am great. We got our car back. The Lisa decided to keep still working the mini Cooper. It's is it still working? It's still working. They replaced everything. The battery it's like getting a new car and it looks beautiful and it drives fine. The only weird thing and she kinda wishes they'd looked at this is the seatbelt light comes on when there's a ghost passenger. There's nobody in the passenger seat, but she can press on the seat and then it goes away. So it's obviously a, a flaky sensor, but she loves her mini. She loves her mini really. So I'm she's decided to keep it. And we'll, we'll cross her things

Sam Abuelsamid (00:24:03):
Probably less hassled than going through the lemon loss.

Leo Laporte (00:24:07):
Exactly. Well, well just, you know, if, although, you know, if it breaks again and then we have the, then we do have the lemon law to protect us, but she zips around town. It's so cute and a little,

Sam Abuelsamid (00:24:18):
They are a blast to drive. Yeah. I, I I'm actually, I, I haven't actually driven the, the current jet generation mini electric yet. Got one of those coming later in March, but I've driven multiple minis over the years and you know, they're like little go-karts. Yeah. You know, especially

Leo Laporte (00:24:37):
An electric mini, I mean literally

Sam Abuelsamid (00:24:40):
The funny thing, I mean think, think about how small that car is. Yeah. Okay. Seems compared to your Machy it's it's pretty tiny. Yeah. Have you ever parked one of those next to a classic mini?

Leo Laporte (00:24:52):
They're even smaller. They enormous

Sam Abuelsamid (00:24:53):
Compared to the classic minis

Leo Laporte (00:24:55):
And now they're gonna do a Clubman that's as big as a SUV.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:24:59):
So, well, it's not, it's not that big. I mean, it, they they've had the Countryman for the country for about almost 10 years now. Yeah. And you know, it's, it is quite a bit larger, but it's still small by modern standards. Right. But the, the classic minis, the pre 2000,

Leo Laporte (00:25:14):
The Austin Powers minis. They're very small.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:25:16):
Yeah. I mean, those things were just, I, I don't even know how tall people can get in those. So this is

Leo Laporte (00:25:21):
The nice thing about her mini which is a S electric. I fit in it just fine. Six foot fine. It's not, I wouldn't wanna sit in the back seat, but the front seat's perfectly comfortable. So

Sam Abuelsamid (00:25:32):
If you, if you need to carry a couple of extra adults, you definitely want to get the

Leo Laporte (00:25:35):
We're not gonna do that longer. I'll use we'll drive the Mockey if we're, if we're taking adults with us.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:25:40):
Yeah. You got, you got lots of room in that.

Leo Laporte (00:25:42):
So speaking of adaptive headlights, I see behind you the view from that Audi e-tron.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:25:50):
Yeah. So this is something as, as you were mentioning, I think adaptive headlights is actually a technology that's been around for a while in Europe and, and other markets and automakers have been trying to get NITSA the national highway traffic safety administration to change the headlight regulations for quite a while now, almost a decade to allow these new, more modern headlamps and, you know, NITSA is, you know, they take a very deliberate approach to changing, changing safety regulations. They, it's a very long slow process us and that frustrates some people like Elon Musk. But it also, it also frustrates, you know, traditional automakers when they want to have newer technology like this. I remember back in the 1980s you know, up until that time up until about 1985 in the us we were only allowed to use so-called seal beam headlights, the, the, the classic either rectangular or circular seven inch circular headlamps, that those things were just terrible.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:26:59):
I mean, they, they didn't put out much light. They had terrible lighting pet outs and, you know, they had already had, you know, the flush Mount headlights that we're all used to today had been common in Europe for decades before that. And it took until 1985 to get those approved here in the us. Now they're changing the, the rules again to allow for these adaptive headlights and the, the thing about these makes them so different up until now, even, even with the latest generation, most modern headlamps that we have today prior to these adaptive headlights, it's basically amounted to some sort of light source which could be either a halogen bulb an L E D miter or some, you know, or in some case is even a laser emitter combined with a reflector and a lens in the front, pretty tree straightforward.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:27:52):
And you had two beams, low beam and high beam, and you could either switch them manually. Lot of modern cars have automatic switching between high beam and low beam, cuz when you're using the high beam cars to 'em towards you or cars that you're following can easily get blinded by those high beams. They, you cuz they're shining basically right at eye level with, you know, it's great for you if you're driving at night, especially in a rural area because you can see way more, but it's not good for other drivers. So what these adaptive headlights do is they can line in most cases, some sort of matrix lighting source. So instead of just a single bulb, a single light source, you have multiple light sources it's usually a matrix, an array of LEDs or it may be it may actually be a again a single L E D but combined with something like a MEMS, like a DLP, if you remember the old projection TVs, the rear projection TVs. Yeah. They oftentimes used a DLP. So

Leo Laporte (00:28:54):
These are really projectors, a little mirror. They're gonna

Sam Abuelsamid (00:28:57):
Be, they are

Leo Laporte (00:28:57):
Projectors. Wow. Yeah.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:28:59):
And what it, what it allows you to do is to change the lighting pattern dynamically as you're driving. So for example, you're driving down a dark road coming up to a curve. The, the lights can automatically bend into that curve. So you can see actually where the road is. They,

Leo Laporte (00:29:17):
They, they kind of go ahead of you as you turn, they go ahead of you. Yeah, that's cool.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:29:21):
Yeah. but you can also, they can also, when another, when a, a sensor detects another vehicle coming towards you or you're following another vehicle, it can automatically deem dim or dip down the, the, the, the pixels. Cause basically what you're doing now is you're casting an array of pixels instead of just one single pattern of light. So you can deem dim the, or dip the pixels that are shining at that vehicle so that you can have

Leo Laporte (00:29:48):
So still bright everywhere, but there's a little kind of hole where the person is.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:29:52):
Yes, exactly. Nice. Or you can also have it be much brighter on certain parts of the road. Oh. So, you know, if you're watching the, the video stream right now, you can see an example where it's lighting up the, the, the lane that we're driving in. And the other thing you can also, you might also notice in there is markings or there's some, actually some dark patches where, what it's actually doing is projecting where your tires are, where your front tires are pointed. So if you were to turn the wheel, you would see the, the, you would see the lane lit up more brightly than the surroundings, the lane that you're in lit up more brightly than the surroundings, but you'd also see your tire marks going off in a different direction. Wow. so you, so it's

Leo Laporte (00:30:36):
A safety feature too. It's really great.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:30:38):
A lot of extra situational awareness. Yeah. and to somebody in music to my soul mentioning that headlights bending into the curve. Yeah. We already do have that. It's still the, it's the it's,

Leo Laporte (00:30:50):
It's mechanical

Sam Abuelsamid (00:30:50):
Though, lighting sources, but it's a, it's a mechanical thing that is turning the lamps towards the curve. This is actually changing the, the, the dynamic light pattern. You can also do things like when a cameras detect a pedestrian it can actually put light on the light up the pedestrian, so you can see the pedestrian better or an animal.

Leo Laporte (00:31:12):
That's amazing. That's really

Sam Abuelsamid (00:31:14):
Interesting. Yeah. This is the kinda of thing that can be a really important safety benefit going forward now,

Leo Laporte (00:31:18):
Will they be finicky or they gonna be hard to maintain? And course what's the cost to replace. They've gotta be more expensive, right?

Sam Abuelsamid (00:31:26):
The, there shouldn't be any maintenance required. I mean, you know, and these are all using modern light sources like LEDs or

Leo Laporte (00:31:31):
Which longer than Ines

Sam Abuelsamid (00:31:33):
That should last the life of the vehicle. So that part is, shouldn't be a problem. Nice. The replacement cost, though, if you get an fender, bender is probably gonna be pretty hefty. Although, you know, the, the, the current lamps are pretty, pretty expensive as well. And Audi is already equipping their vehicles. They already have these matrix lamps on their VE on many of their vehicles that are sold here in the us. They just don't have them programmed to do the

Leo Laporte (00:31:55):
Adaptive. So you might get it after the fact you might get 'em turned. Yeah, next

Sam Abuelsamid (00:31:58):
I, I talked to Audi this week. They couldn't confirm yet if they're going to update existing vehicles, it's gonna depend on how the, the final regulation is actually worded. So there's a chance that, you know, existing Audi owners might get an update that enables this, but certainly new Audis will, will get this capability.

Leo Laporte (00:32:15):
Sam will Sam principle, researcher guide house insights podcast is wheel bearings. Thank you, Sam.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:32:21):
Thank you, Leo.

Leo Laporte (00:32:26):
I can't wait. My next car will probably have that, right.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:32:29):
Very likely. Yeah. Yeah. And it's gonna start off on premium models. You, because they are, they are gonna be more

Leo Laporte (00:32:39):
As you know. Yeah,

Sam Abuelsamid (00:32:40):
Yeah, of course. But you know, as, as they proliferate through the market, the cost will come down and you will eventually start to see them in more mainstream vehicles as well.

Leo Laporte (00:32:51):
That's really interesting. Wow. Wow. Yeah. I, I realize I, I I only have two years left on my Mockey lease it's time to start thinking about the next one kind of sorta.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:33:04):
Yeah. You know, but if you order, now you might, you might just be able to get an F-150 lightning plan.

Leo Laporte (00:33:12):
Yeah. That's a good point. I probably will order in a year. Right. Cuz it,

Sam Abuelsamid (00:33:17):
If yeah, well this is something I've been telling people a lot recently, you know, with the, with the chip shortages is, you know, if you do anticipate that you're going to need to buy a new vehicle sometimes soon

Leo Laporte (00:33:29):
It's

Sam Abuelsamid (00:33:30):
Well, you know, go ahead and place an order, a factory order from the dealer, you know, the, the traditional model in the us has been people going into a dealer and they just buy something off the lot and drive away that same day. Right. it's, it's generally not being that way in Europe at, in other markets, you know, it's usually you, you order what you want and then when it comes in, you, you get the car. But here it's, it's predominantly been, you know, buy something out of inventory, buy something out of the dealer's stock. And, and that is also part of the reason why we have so many white and gray and silver that

Leo Laporte (00:34:08):
Black, the dealers order, that's there's

Sam Abuelsamid (00:34:11):
Least defensive, you know, dealers order all lows. Cause they figure they can move those faster. Yeah. And so, you know, if you anticipate, especially like re for the remainder of this year, if you anticipate that you're gonna need to order a new vehicle go ahead and do your research, figure out what you want, you know, see if you can get a test drive in one and then go ahead and place a factory order, cuz that way you can get exactly what you want with the exact combination of options and color and everything that you want. You don't have, have to rely on whatever the dealer might have sitting around and, you know, in the back of the lot and you'll, you'll also, you know, be guaranteed that when that car comes in, it's allotted to you. You're not, you know, waiting in line right.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:34:55):
You know, with, with everybody else that needs to buy a car. Now, when it, when it, when that order arrives, it's yours. And, and hopefully you should also be able to lock in the price as well. You know, instead of, you know, that way you, you don't have to deal with the with the dealer markups that a lot of dealers are doing right now because of the low inventories. Right. So go ahead and, and order, you know, and it, depending on the vehicle, it might take to six weeks or in some cases, you know, for some things like the, like the lightning that I mentioned might take a lot longer, but generally it's about four to six weeks from the time you place an order. And you know, what we're seeing is, you know, manufacturers now are seeing a lot more customers, much higher percentage of customers are ordering their vehicles.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:35:41):
And I think we're gonna see that continue even after the chip shortage subsides because the, the dealers like it to some degree the manufacturers like it because they don't have to over build stock. And then you don't end up with, with a lot of excess vehicles on the lot. They don't have to do discounting you know, the, it's an advantage for the dealers as well, because the, the way it works, dealers are actually buying these cars from the factory. They have to finance them until they sell them. Right. So they're paying interest on those cars. Right. and so you know, they, they like, they would, I think a lot of dealers would like to have less inventory. So they're not paying interest on those cars. You know, they, they know that whatever comes in is already sold.

Leo Laporte (00:36:23):
Sam, you wanna stick around for the top of the hour.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:36:26):
I will

Leo Laporte (00:36:26):
Do that. It's up to you. I'm not gonna make you, then you can talk about the lightning if you want. Okay. Or I'm sorry, the Homa, the humer Hama. Yeah. Homa, Homa. Hamama all right. Thanks Sam. Leo. Leport the Tech Guy, eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leah the phone number. Misha's on the line. I'm sorry. Micah. Not Miesha. Micah's on the line from Maine. Hello, Micah.

Caller #2 (00:36:49):
Hi Leo. It's great to talk to you. And I'm really glad that get got a chance to get in while Sam was still around, because I'd love to get his opinion on this story. I wanna bring up to

Leo Laporte (00:36:59):
You. You still here,

Sam Abuelsamid (00:37:02):
What's up Micah,

Caller #2 (00:37:03):
Sam. I know you sometimes listen to the airplane geeks. And every week we covered a, we covered a story this week with about the suit that's going on against the former seventh or Boeing chief pilot to 7 37 max and the court dropped two charges against him for about falsifying information about parts on the 7 37 max. And they dropped those charges because they said that the legal definition of M a, which is the maneuvering characteristics augmentation system, cause it's software. It's not a part. So therefore he didn't falsify anything about information, about a part. It was software. Now, if software isn't a part,

Leo Laporte (00:37:51):
What is it

Caller #2 (00:37:52):
True legal ramifications in terms of not just aircraft, but self-driving vehicle. Yeah,

Sam Abuelsamid (00:37:58):
I, I think the, I think the court made a, a huge mistake on this one. I think software needs to be considered a part, a component of the vehicle. And in fact, previously it has been in legal cases most notably the Volkswagen diesel gate case. You know, if you look at all the, the documentation, you know, all the, that the whole case, they, it all, it talks about Volkswagen Volkswagen group installing a defeat device, which, you know, you think the word device that, that implies a part, but there was no actual physical component. It was all done in software. So I, you know, I think, you know, as, you know, as systems, you know, whether it's cars or aircraft become more and more software defined, we have to, we have to consider the software to be a part or a component because it, it is a, it is a component of the system of the overall system.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:38:51):
The system doesn't work with the software, the software doesn't work, work without the hardware. So, you know, if you're falsifying documentation about the software that's, that is effectively not, not any different from falsifying documentation about how the brakes work or how the flaps work or the engines or anything else, it's it, it absolutely needs to be it apart. And, and this, you know, I think the, you know, the auto industry needs to, as well as other aircraft manufacturers need to take that lesson from the 7 37 max case that, you know, we need to do a much better job of validating these complex software systems and making sure that the operators, whether it's pilot or drivers understand how they work and what they can. And can't do,

Leo Laporte (00:39:40):
Sounds like the law has to be updated as well to accommodate modern vehicles,

Sam Abuelsamid (00:39:45):
Not necessarily I mean, the

Leo Laporte (00:39:47):
Courts could say, but they didn't. Yeah. I think it's more softwares part, but they didn the

Sam Abuelsamid (00:39:51):
Courts need to interpret it differently.

Leo Laporte (00:39:53):
Yeah. Well, the, you, you can't do anything about the courts. You have to do it through legislative process.

Caller #2 (00:39:58):
According to this, to the, just judge R O'Connor. I have this right here wrote that because M a is not an aircraft part as defined by chapter 18 of the us code, subsection three, four, blah, blah, blah. The indictment fails to allege that the offense defendant fails to allege and that the defendant violated

Leo Laporte (00:40:17):
That's. That means the law has to be updated if there's that ambiguity. Of course the courts could go either way, but if, but that's the point is there's ambiguity and that needs to be very clear that no, a software is a part and it's gonna be more and more the case as we get more self-driving vehicles and more driver assist technology software is become a bigger, bigger part of our cars, right. Sam.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:40:40):
Yeah. And as even, you know, even the vehicle regulations, the ground vehicle regulations did not specifically call out you know, things like emission control software, cause

Leo Laporte (00:40:49):
They were written in the fifties probably,

Sam Abuelsamid (00:40:52):
But, but the courts, you know, actually did rule. Right. You know that, yes. You know, this is a defeat device. This, you know, this is a component of the system.

Leo Laporte (00:41:00):
If there's wiggle room, you need to rewrite it.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:41:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:41:05):
Hey Mike, a pleasure. Yeah. Tell, give us a plug for the podcast.

Caller #2 (00:41:09):
Well, it's the airplane geeks podcast that we recorded every Monday night. It comes out every Wednesday night Wednesday morning. And the last show that we just was with the Portland, Maine jet port director about the closing down of her one runway for coming up for about six weeks so they can resurface it. And I know that sounds like it's not very technical, but you'd be surprised how amazing it was. Sam. I don't know if you heard it or not

Sam Abuelsamid (00:41:32):
Yet. I, I haven't listened to it yet. It's in, it's in my queue.

Leo Laporte (00:41:35):
Nice. It's the only problem nowadays. There's too many darn things, too many good darn things to listen to. There's none enough hours in the day. Thank you, Mike. It's a pleasure talking to you. Thank you. Good one take care. Richard's next on the line from west LA. Hi Richard, Leo Laporte, The Tech Guy.

Caller #3 (00:41:53):
Leo. Good to talk again.

Leo Laporte (00:41:54):
Thanks for calling.

Caller #3 (00:41:57):
I just got a new television Samsung and I have two count them quote, soundbars. I don't think they're as good as your guess whose name escapes me for the minute

Leo Laporte (00:42:13):
Wilkinson our home theater geek.

Caller #3 (00:42:16):
Yes. I listen to you guys every week.

Leo Laporte (00:42:18):
I should know that you no, that's right. I forget too. So is this the soundbar that's built into the Samsung?

Caller #3 (00:42:24):
No, it's,

Leo Laporte (00:42:25):
External's, it's one you've had all along or a couple you've had all along.

Caller #3 (00:42:29):
Two of them. One is called an S a K do big dot B as in Bravo, S as in Sam, it's fairly not fairly it's, it's big, but it is not as big as the the other one, which I can't find the name of, of course it's a longer one. Oh, here it is. No, the other one was the smaller one, Z as in zebra, V as in Victor, O X AQ, voice TV speaker.

Leo Laporte (00:43:01):
Where'd you get these outta curiosity? Well, it

Caller #3 (00:43:05):
Was this truck.

Leo Laporte (00:43:07):
They fell off. Huh? The sack ops. That's what they do is soundbar. I'm not familiar with the 

Caller #3 (00:43:16):
The ZV ZV O X was advertised in the Los Angeles times. Zox and it seemed to be right. I'm not, I don't need anything. Perfect, wonderful. The way Scott and you talked

Leo Laporte (00:43:29):
About that's that's all it really matters is how they sound to you. Right.

Caller #3 (00:43:33):
Right. But you have

Leo Laporte (00:43:34):
Anything Zox is designed. Yeah. So Zox is specifically designed for people who have trouble hearing the dialogue.

Leo Laporte (00:43:42):
Right. And as we get, there's two things going on. Of course, as we get older, you know, I do it and my mom doesn't and we turn up the TV, cuz it's hard to hear, but there is very much so going on in Holly would an issue with dialogue mixing. And there's a lot of reasons for it. I quoted an article some weeks ago from slash film about why this is happening. And there are a number of causes. Actors are mumbling more, believe it or not sound recordists are not as valued on the set as they ought to be. And they're not as willing to up and say, look, I didn't catch that dialogue. And often directors say fine, we'll do it in ADR. We'll do it later. We'll we'll dub it over later. There are a lot of reasons. And there's also a directors.

Leo Laporte (00:44:26):
Chris Nolan is one of them, very famous guy. Does the Batman movies very famous, who doesn't want the dialogue to be as crystal clear as as you and I might want it to be. He kind of says, no, it should. And Robert Alman very famously director mash Nashville his, his movie McCabe and Mrs. Miller kind of set this, this tale for this, you couldn't understand how F of Warren what Warren Beatie was saying, but that was intentional because Alman and Nolan sense have both said, oh no, no. That's how real life is.

Caller #3 (00:45:00):
But it's well, my problem is often that some of live people on television, I'm thinking of a guy in a late afternoon on MSNBC. He says something and then he drops voice.

Leo Laporte (00:45:12):
Yeah. People complain about that with me too. He sent me an email saying

Caller #3 (00:45:16):
I have to put the sound the sound

Leo Laporte (00:45:18):
Way up. So you might wanna, you might wanna use the Zox cuz that's what it does. That's the whole point of Zox is they make soundbars designed to improve the dialogue. Now a, you know, any surround system has a centered channel discrete center channel for dialogue that you can turn up. And that's what I do at home. I give it a couple of DB boosts and you can do that in the settings of most receivers. And then I can hear the dialogue better. But if that's an issue for you the Zox might be the better choice. Both of 'em the SAC ops is fine. They're actually quite high fidelity, which every you like better and more importantly, whichever satisfies you as far as dialogue. That's what you should go with. Leo Laport, the Tech Guy. Yeah. I mean that's, that must be why you bought it right? The Zox originally. Oh, he is gone. Nevermind. Nevermind. I don't want to talk to you after all. Okay. Hey Sam, that means it's all yours for the rest of the, you got like 10 minutes. I'm gonna go get a cup of coffee.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:46:20):
Thank you, sir. Thank you. So yeah, I think Fred S was asking him to chat about my thoughts about NASCAR's new new cars this year, so called NextGen cars. And so I think that, you know, I, I, I'm not particularly a NASCAR fan. I generally don't watch stock car racing. I'm more into sports cars and Indian formula one. But I do think that you know, they they've finally made some really good changes to to the new NASCAR formula. I think the, the cars are definitely way better looking. I think the, I thought the last generation of cars were not at all attractive and didn't really look much like the, the vehicles that they were, that they were badged as they, they had some very strange proportions. But I think these new cars, you know, they have a longer wheel base.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:47:12):
They, they're definitely much better looking and they're much more technologically up to date than prior generations of cars, of NASCAR cars. They've gone to a larger wheel, an 18 inch wheel as actually formula one is finally doing this year as well. With just a single center lock hub instead of five log nuts as we have on most road cars they're, they're now fuel injected. They actually have been fuel injected for, for a little while now. But cuz they were, they went a long time without without updating to modern fuel injection systems from carburetors. I think they have independent rear suspension if I'm not mistaken at a bunch of other updates that, that make them much more contemporary. They should also be safer as well than the prior generations of cars.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:48:05):
So I think, I think it's a, it's a big improvement. They're, they're at least a lot better to look get than they have been in the past. Also let's see, somebody was talking in the store about or in the chat about vehicle app stores Tesla wanting to have an app store. This is something that most manufacturers are doing moving to this idea of having apps in the vehicle. And in fact you know, Tesla is the only major automaker that is not supporting either Android auto, Android auto or apple CarPlay but what we are seeing, they, they do everything themselves, but what they are doing. It is what other manufacturers are doing is they're increasingly adopting Android automotive as the operating system. So currently most, most of the infotainment systems are using either Blackberry's Q and X or Linux as the operating system for the for the the infotainment system.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:49:11):
But we're seeing a number of vehicles now coming out with Android automotive based systems which is different from Android auto Android auto is kind of like you can think of it like a windows device driver layer where the apps are actually running on your phone and they're being projected to the screen in a car. The the Android automotive is a full blown operating system. It's, it's a version of Android that is optimized for use in the vehicle. And as with phones manufacturers have the option to just use the open source Android automotive, or they can also get Google automotive services just as on the phone on phones manufacturers have option to use Google mobile services, which is the, the suite of, of close sourced apps from Google things like the play store, play services Google maps Google con your contacts, calendar podcasts YouTube music and have all that on there, you know, and, and also the play store.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:50:13):
So you can download other apps. And this is the approach. I think most manufacturers are gonna be doing going forward. Volvo and pole star were the first to launch it. GM is launching vehicles now that have Android automotive, Ford is adopting it next year. Honda is bringing it out next year in Europe, Reno has it. And Stant also has Android automotive for their Uconnect five system, but they are not using Google automotive services. They're using Tom, Tom for maps and Alexa for voice services. The the others that are using Google automotive services. When you get in the vehicle, you it's just like having an Android phone in your, in your dash, they all have different user interfaces. Just as you know, different Android phones have different UIs but you can log into your Google account and then you can access the play store and download apps like PocketCasts or Spotify, or, you know, various various messaging apps and have those actually running right on the infotainment system rather than running in on the phone.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:51:28):
So you don't even have to connect your phone to it at all. They, they do still have they do still have support for apple CarPlay as well. So if you do want to use your, your iPhone, you can do that as well. See somebody here in the chat mentioned I has an ancient version of regular AOS P on, on, on their Honda. Yeah, our, our 2017 Honda has the has a, an infotainment system that is actually running. If you dig down into the system settings, you will find Android 4.2 running under there. It's got Honda's own skin on it and their own user interface, but it's Android 4.2. And in fact you can, and I have just as an experiment installed other app other Android apps on their side, loaded them on there.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:52:21):
And there's even actually from the factory, it has the ancient Android AOS P browser in there. So if you are near wifi and connected to wifi in your garage or something, you can actually open up the old AOSP browser and browse the internet in there. Newer Hondas are now using Android six and Android six based system. But next starting next year, they will be adopting Android auto motive which is actually supported by Google. Whereas the, the older system was not supported by Google. Let's see music to my soul says Volvo finally announced the replacement for 3g modem and then put the brakes on their solution because I guess it wasn't working, right? Yeah, this is, this is gonna be a challenge for some automakers. Some, you know, everybody's trying to come up with solutions to upgrade 3g modems because 3g networks are being turned off over the next few months.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:53:22):
In fact, I think this week at and T is shutting down their 3g net. We're starting to shut down their 3g networks. And I think I talked a few weeks back or a month or two back about what Audi's doing Audi is actually partnering with a company called mojo to develop they developed an adapter based on, on Mojo's technology that plugs into the diagnostic port and integrates with the infotainment system in the Audi. So it can get vehicle data. It's got a 4g modem in there. So if you have certain recent Audis you can go to your Audi dealer and order that see redact, it says can I order a car directly from the company, or do I need to go through dealer? Unfortunately for the legacy automakers that have dealers, you, you have to go through the dealers.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:54:12):
And this is because of the franchise laws across most states that prohibit the manufacturers from competing directly with their dealers. The, the dealers, you know, bought and paid for their state and got these laws in place. So you do have to go through a dealer. Although increasingly manufacturers have portals that are creating portals where you can actually do the online ordering Nissan's got one, various other companies are doing this, so you can actually go online and place the order. And then at the, the last stage of the process, and this is the way GM is selling the Hummer as well at the last stage of the process, you select your local dealer which is where you'll take delivery. And they'll actually take care of the, the final transaction so you're, you are technically buying it through dealer. But the, the OEMs, the man auto makers are providing the portal that lets you do your configuration, order the car and then figure out, decide which dealer you want it to go through. Let's see S is Verizon's the only holdout for another year? Yeah, that, I think Verizon's 3g is still the old CDMA network. So

Leo Laporte (00:55:26):
Got that lead from a T what is it at T T-Mobile T-Mobile I think

Sam Abuelsamid (00:55:33):
About 3g

Leo Laporte (00:55:36):
2, 2 22, 22. Yeah. Turning off. Thank you, Sam.

Sam Abuelsamid (00:55:40):
All right, I'll talk to you

Leo Laporte (00:55:41):
Next week. Have a good one,

Sam Abuelsamid (00:55:43):
Right? Bye bye.

Leo Laporte (00:55:45):
Well, Hey, Hey. Hey, how are you to day Leo Laportert here. The Tech Guy, time to talk computers, the home theater, digital photography, the internet virtual reality, augmented reality. Real reality, smart phones, smart watches. Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo is the phone number (888) 827-5536. Toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada, outside that area. You can still reach me, but you're gonna have to do, you know, something special to get through you Skype out. Something like that. The day is nine. The end is nine. I should have a little poster, a little sign. The end is nine for 3g. Maybe you got a, your letter in the mail. I got mine. They waited to the very last minute I got one on Friday from at, and he saying your your phone's not gonna work. By, on coming up Tuesday, Tuesday, it's not gonna work anymore.

Leo Laporte (00:56:50):
I said, what? They're turning off the three G towers. Now you may remember, you may remember in the early days of cell phones, we had a variety of other technologies right now. They call it 5g. Before that it was LTE before that it was 4g before that it was 3g third generation before that, oh, I don't even remember two G first iPhone in 2007. Didn't even support that. It supported the really of the old. Now these were data systems by the way. And the calling systems have always been until recently separated from the data systems, but that's changing and at and T on February 22nd of two days from now, as I speak is shutting down their 3g towers. Verizon's gonna wait till the the end of the year. T-Mobile maybe the summer, they're a little little vague about it. So you'll have to have a phone that supports 4g or LTE now's for data, but it turns out that the calling also is gonna be going through the, so there, even though you may have a phone that supports LTE or 4g, it may not work. If the call signaling doesn't go through the data.

Leo Laporte (00:58:18):
So there will be, you won't get texts, you won't get data and you won't get phone calls. So this is a big, big change. You probably have received a letter or an email. I got a letter like in the mail from at and T saying, you know, and they, they even told me this phone, number's not gonna work anymore. And it's an old number that isn't really on a phone must have been on an old iPhone or thing like that. So we, we are entering the future and they're disconnecting these old towers. So just a word of warning. It's also, and Sam has mentioned this a couple of times, our car guy, it's also gonna affect telematics in a lot of vehicles. And so you should check if you have on star, something like that in your vehicle, you might want to, with your your dealer or your manufacturer to see what their plan is.

Leo Laporte (00:59:11):
It may just not work anymore. This is what happens in technology, you know things get obsolete. And and this is, and this is the change that's coming. All three major us carriers are gonna shut down their cell 3g networks. What happens is you know, they're, it's ex you know, they're running extra towers, extra antennas, but they're also using spectrum that they would like to allocate back to 5g. So according to at, and T only 1% of consumers, I'm one of them have devices that depend on 3g. Maybe it was that old fours, the iPhone four S I don't know. So if you're in that group, you're gonna have to look at a new phone. And and you know, it doesn't have to be a fancy brand new, modern phone, but it has to be one that supports 4g or LTE or 5g back to the phones we go using modern technologies. Nancy's on the line from Largo, Florida. Welcome Nancy.

Caller #4 (01:00:18):
Hello? How are you doing?

Leo Laporte (01:00:19):
I am, well, how are you?

Caller #4 (01:00:22):
Oh, I'm doing pretty good being tax season. And I'm a bookkeeper.

Leo Laporte (01:00:25):
Oh, are you busy? Busy, busy, busy, like a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs, as they say,

Caller #4 (01:00:33):
Yeah, you got that right? Your QuickBooks decides not to work anymore.

Leo Laporte (01:00:37):
Oh, no.

Caller #4 (01:00:40):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:00:42):
Oh, no. So you were using not QBO QuickBooks online.

Caller #4 (01:00:50):
I was using for the Mac.

Leo Laporte (01:00:51):
Yeah. You were using the software that you install on the Mac and you up. And what happened? You upgraded your Mac.

Caller #4 (01:00:58):
Yeah. Yep. And that was a big mistake. But what I thought I could do is go on to QuickBooks, online to recover the file or convert the, to a windows version. Cause my sister-in-law has QuickBooks for windows.

Leo Laporte (01:01:13):
Yeah. Didn't didn't work. It didn't work. Didn't work.

Caller #4 (01:01:17):
No, it could. It tried to convert it. But then when you opened up the file, there's nothing there

Leo Laporte (01:01:24):
Be. So QuickBooks wants into it, which makes QuickBooks, wants you to buy a new version every year. You've probably noticed that. Yeah. In fact, they have a, they now have gone to a subscription model even for the desktop software. I know 350 bucks a year. So I probably, what happened is you upgraded your Mac to Catalina, which is a couple of versions ago. And you had an old version of QuickBooks. You hadn't been upgrading it. That was 32 bit is my guess. And as a result apple has, you know, announced that they're not gonna support 32 bit software from Catalina going forwards. So as a result, it won't work anymore. Right. I just charge each of your customers a dollar more and buy the new QuickBooks. I mean, it is a business expense. Right? You put it on your schedule. C am I right? Am I right? Am I right?

Caller #4 (01:02:23):
Yeah. But the problem is, is I don't have that many clients, so yeah. Re I'm rebooting my business. So I haven't really,

Leo Laporte (01:02:32):
I see anything. Yeah. You're kind of caught in this. I really dislike this. And honestly quick, doesn't even want to sell you the Mac version. They really want you to go to QBO.

Caller #4 (01:02:43):
I've noticed that. Cause I think their newest version is they're pushing. You have to be on the internet to use it. Like you were just talking with about Microsoft.

Leo Laporte (01:02:52):
Yeah.

Caller #4 (01:02:53):
They, you have to be on the internet to be able to use their

Leo Laporte (01:02:57):
Software. It's it's stay. But every software manufacturer is going to this subscription model cuz they make, you know, they make more money and customers this way. If you do the subscription model, this doesn't come up because you always have the newest version. And honestly, you know I don't know about taxes. I mean, I do know taxes change every year, but I don't know about, I think double entry accounting probably hasn't changed since 1923, but for some reason you gotta have the new version of the software. So I don't, so what, how old was the software you used? Which version? Okay.

Caller #4 (01:03:36):
That's embarrassing. It was 2016.

Leo Laporte (01:03:39):
Okay. That's at old honestly, you know, we buy things. No. Yeah. I mean I'm sitting, you know, in a chair that should probably work even though it's six years old, you know? Right. My coffee mug is probably 10 years old. It still works exactly the same. Software's not quite like that, unfortunately. So I'm not sure. Sure. But it may be this isn't unusual that you have to find an interim version. Your, so your sister or a sister-in-law her, her windows version is probably up to date.

Caller #4 (01:04:15):
Yes. Yeah. She even gave me one of her old computers that has,

Leo Laporte (01:04:19):
Oh, isn't she sweet? That's so nice. So,

Caller #4 (01:04:21):
So that was 2019 and that still didn't

Leo Laporte (01:04:24):
Work. Yeah. So maybe I'm not, I don't know, but it may be that they are so anxious to have you upgrade every year that the import of data doesn't go back that far, that you need an interim version. Like you need the 2017 version and then the 2018 version to slowly step it up. You see what I'm saying?

Caller #4 (01:04:45):
Yeah. Well that's I had that on my sister-in-law had that on her old computer

Leo Laporte (01:04:49):
And it still didn't work

Caller #4 (01:04:51):
17. Yeah. I started with 17. Tried it with 18. Tried it

Leo Laporte (01:04:54):
With 19. Oh it should have worked. Okay. So my theory thesis is wrong. Right. Did, did you use the export or just try to read the data is, is

Caller #4 (01:05:04):
I tried to do well, you do it in the export and it says, oh, this is a Mac version. Do you wanna switch to, do you wanna make it a windows version? And that's what it was trying to do. And it goes to the whole process, but it failed. It's converted.

Leo Laporte (01:05:16):
Oh it

Caller #4 (01:05:17):
Fails. And when you open it, there's nothing there

Leo Laporte (01:05:22):
Sound I'm I hope you have a backup of this data.

Caller #4 (01:05:25):
Oh it has. Yeah, I do, because

Leo Laporte (01:05:27):
It's,

Caller #4 (01:05:27):
It doesn't like my backup. It doesn't like,

Leo Laporte (01:05:28):
Yeah. It sounds like I'd be careful. I'd keep a backup that you don't let anything look at the windows version. Look at, cuz it sounds like it's damaging the file.

Leo Laporte (01:05:39):
Yeah. So somebody just put in the chat room, a link to intuits support article that says all 64 bit versions should in, you know, in work with, in importing the old 16 bit versions. So QuickBooks desktop, 20, 22 can restore a backup made with a previous version of QuickBooks, desktop 32 bit. That's what you have. You know, I, I, it, it's not a real test until you buy the new QuickBooks and try it. I, they might have a trial version. They don't, they don't of course not. That would be too easy. Wouldn't it?

Caller #4 (01:06:23):
Yeah. And their, their, their support is so horrible.

Leo Laporte (01:06:28):
I mean, yeah. What are you paying for if they're not getting good support that's that is aggravating.

Caller #4 (01:06:33):
Well, actually I haven't paid anything.

Leo Laporte (01:06:37):
Well, you bet no bought it in 2016. That's fine. You paid for something. It was expensive. This is a constant, they're

Caller #4 (01:06:43):
Not paying for something now they don't wanna have anything to do

Leo Laporte (01:06:46):
With it. Yeah, exactly. This is a, I hear this complaint all the time, especially about QuickBooks. And I just, you know, this is, I think they're, they're really coercing people to bit up to date. It should be able to read the old data. So I'm worried that your old data has somehow become corrupted. You can't really roll back your Mac, unfortunately, if you could get,

Caller #4 (01:07:12):
I can try to do that.

Leo Laporte (01:07:13):
Yeah. You can't they don't want you to do that either. Right. So if you could find somebody with an older Mac, what I wanna do is make sure that that data is okay and try to read it on the old QuickBooks on the old Mac and make sure it's okay. And then export it. Did you export it before you tried all this? You couldn't right? Cause it didn't run.

Caller #4 (01:07:33):
Right. It

Leo Laporte (01:07:35):
Wouldn't work. So that's what I think you need to do is somehow get, get to the old version and export the data and then it should be readable. It may just be that it can't be read as it is that it has to be somehow bundled up for reading. Does that make sense?

Caller #4 (01:07:52):
Yeah, I understand. But I don't think I'm

Leo Laporte (01:07:55):
And they, and you call them and they don't, they don't have any help for you.

Caller #4 (01:07:59):
Nope.

Leo Laporte (01:08:00):
That's very frustrating.

Caller #4 (01:08:02):
They're all just pushing you to buy the newest version and saying, oh yeah, you gotta do that. And I even signed out for the QuickBooks online just to see if I could get it to work and it wouldn't work.

Leo Laporte (01:08:13):
So keep those original files and keep 'em kind of away from any of this process. You want one copy that you haven't tried to open? Cause it might be damaging it in the process. Just keep it somewhere. It's kind of too bad because QuickBooks is really the Dom. We use QuickBooks in our business. My wife is a QuickBooks online expert because that's a, you have to, you have to use it and doesn't mean have to like it. But it's what everybody uses boy, this disappointing. Yeah.

Caller #4 (01:08:40):
Yeah. I've been using it for probably 15 years.

Leo Laporte (01:08:44):
Yeah.

Caller #4 (01:08:45):
So I don't think I will be anymore.

Leo Laporte (01:08:50):
Yeah. And there are other, you know, there's, there's all the names, you know, from the good old days, they're still around great planes and stuff. But boy, oh boy, this is really frustrating. 

Caller #4 (01:09:03):
Yeah, you're telling me

Leo Laporte (01:09:05):
Will QuickBooks desktop for Mac 2016 run on Mojave? It will only support 10, 10, 13. Yeah. It doesn't, it doesn't go up to even Mojave 10, 14. You have to have at least QuickBooks for Mac 2020, but that doesn't, I'm just looking at the QuickBooks article on this, but it doesn't help you with the issue of how do I get my data reported over.

Caller #4 (01:09:36):
Right.

Leo Laporte (01:09:38):
I don't have an answer for you. I'm sorry to say. I only have commiseration. I feel bad for you. This is terrible. And, and it's not the first time. And I, you know, honestly, Intuit has really not done a good job of supporting their, their customers. It's it's shameful, frankly. Yeah. Because there's so anxious to get you on that, you know, subscription plan.

Caller #4 (01:10:00):
Exactly.

Leo Laporte (01:10:01):
Let me let me keep digging. Maybe somebody will call some way that we can get the data files from QuickBooks 2016 Mac into a more modern version, ideally into windows. Cause you've got a windows machine now.

Caller #4 (01:10:15):
Right?

Leo Laporte (01:10:16):
All right. We're gonna keep, keep, keep listening. We're gonna find the answer to this. Leo Laport, the Tech Guy. It's very frustrating. It may be that going from Mac to windows is the problem.

Caller #4 (01:10:31):
Yeah. Well I used to be able to convert it with no problem before. Cause I went from windows to, oh,

Leo Laporte (01:10:36):
You did. So you have done that. Oh, okay. So it was, I'm worried that I'm actually where your data is damaged. When was the last time you used it?

Caller #4 (01:10:44):
About a week and a half ago. Okay. And, and I did, I probably went to Monterey about three days later.

Leo Laporte (01:10:51):
Yeah. And that's when it stopped working. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So everything was fine when you used it last.

Caller #4 (01:10:58):
Right. Luckily I'd already planned on being out of QuickBooks and putting things on spreadsheets. So I'd already had probably 60% of the information on,

Leo Laporte (01:11:10):
Oh hell. Oh yeah. Well that's better than nothing

Caller #4 (01:11:12):
Because I have to go to an accountant to take all this stuff over.

Leo Laporte (01:11:15):
Right. And they just

Caller #4 (01:11:16):
Hand them a little thumb drive with everything on it and they do their thing.

Leo Laporte (01:11:19):
Nice.

Caller #4 (01:11:21):
So, so I'm just doing my husband's is the worst because he sells antiques and collectibles. So he does these handwritten receipts that have purchases and sales on them. So I have to go in oh, play around and cause I have to pay the sales tax first. So I have to do all of that and then purchase it. Yeah. I had all of that already in QuickBooks before.

Leo Laporte (01:11:45):
Oh, how frustrating.

Caller #4 (01:11:46):
So this is my nightmare. Everything else I'm fine with.

Leo Laporte (01:11:49):
So it's that data you don't wanna redo the, the data entry. Yeah.

Caller #4 (01:11:53):
Yeah. Which, you know, I'm gonna do all throughout the year. Anyway, like I was doing, I just won't do it in QuickBooks. But so

Leo Laporte (01:12:01):
If you could find somebody with a Mac that's pre Catalina you know, somebody running Mojave 10, 14 or earlier and then you could put your software on it and copy the data over and see if you can open it. Then I think you would have the option to export it at that point. And if you export it into a format, you know, that's kind of generic, you know, you, you, at least you've got it.

Caller #4 (01:12:32):
Right. Right. Well, all I was gonna do was just pull the reports off of it, of certain things. Right. And then I was gonna be done with it. I was gonna take it off on my computer. Cause I was just so over.

Leo Laporte (01:12:43):
Oh, frustrating. You're gonna have to look around for somebody. There's gotta be somebody in Largo who has an older Mac that they haven't upgraded. Yeah. This was a, you know, apple warned everybody and said, look, we're, we're gonna, we're gonna leave that 32 bit stuff behind. So fix it but quick. And what QuickBooks should have done is told you, you know, very, in no uncertain terms you can't upgrade or some, I mean they need, you know, so 

Caller #4 (01:13:14):
I know, know why wouldn't they warn you though? I mean,

Leo Laporte (01:13:18):
Well they did, but it, you know, it probably, you know, they did. Yeah. They warn and they weren't intu it. But Intuit said we don't care because we're, you know, they should be using a newer version. Anyway. See if there's a Mac shop in town that has an older version and maybe they can help. Maybe they can help.

Caller #4 (01:13:36):
Well, I have another and sister-in-law which of course is her twitn sister that I gave him that mini to

Leo Laporte (01:13:43):
Tell her, I might just do not upgrade.

Caller #4 (01:13:47):
I know

Leo Laporte (01:13:47):
Exactly. Do not upgrade.

Caller #4 (01:13:49):
Use QuickBooks. This one doesn't use QuickBooks.

Leo Laporte (01:13:51):
So, so this is how Intuit says, if you wanna go from, to windows, update QuickBooks to the latest release first, And then you know, all that stuff, select reports and all that stuff. Right. Boy, this is really ridiculous. This process, this is a terrible process.

Caller #4 (01:14:13):
Totally agree with you.

Leo Laporte (01:14:15):
Holy cow. I

Caller #4 (01:14:16):
Knew you would feel my pain.

Leo Laporte (01:14:18):
Holy cow. And of course this is a common process because the people using it on the Mac might be sending to an accountant as you are with windows. So you've gotta do this whole conversion thing. Right. And then they modify it and then they have to send it back to you. Oh my God.

Caller #4 (01:14:35):
Right? Exactly. They have to convert it.

Leo Laporte (01:14:37):
A nightmare. An

Caller #4 (01:14:38):
Accountants. Copy that I can convert it.

Leo Laporte (01:14:40):
Oh, I'm so sorry. Terrible, terrible company. I'm gonna put some links in the show notes. We're getting, there's a company called Saun. S a S a N T, which can convert. Maybe they have some software. I do have to run to the next caller. I'm sorry. Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo's the phone number? Kelly on the line from Palm Springs. Hello Kelly.

Caller #5 (01:15:05):
How are you?

Leo Laporte (01:15:06):
I'm good. I hear you. Great. What's up?

Caller #5 (01:15:09):
You were my constant weekend. I listen to you all the time. I all my chores. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:15:15):
Yay. Thank you, Kelly. That's very nice. Thank you. Come

Caller #5 (01:15:18):
Out the garden, playing the pool with us. Oh man. I look forward to you every weekend. So

Leo Laporte (01:15:24):
I, I was gonna retire in Palm Springs and now I don't have to, I just gonna be on the radio with Kelly. That's perfect.

Caller #5 (01:15:32):
So I just left my dad.

Leo Laporte (01:15:34):
Oh, I'm sorry.

Caller #5 (01:15:36):
77. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:15:36):
I'm

Caller #5 (01:15:37):
Sorry. No, it it, well, no, no, I didn't lose him. I left him. I, I was visiting them. He had some illnesses and he has hearing aids that are Bluetooth to his phone of which he's fought with all weekend. That's a different issue. My concern is that his phone buzz all weekend long and I said, dad, who's calling you. What's going on? And he says to me, he's like, it's the darn text messages. I'm all. What do you mean? And

Leo Laporte (01:16:06):
Oh, it's garbage. Yeah. It's a, it's all spam.

Caller #5 (01:16:10):
It's it is, you know, it's like within me, I, so I spent a half hour doing the stop. Opt out, stop opt just manually.

Leo Laporte (01:16:19):
No, that's not gonna do any good. That's not gonna do any good. Now it depends on the kinda spam. Is it political spam? Is it pornography? What is the kind of spam he's getting? It is just a variety.

Caller #5 (01:16:30):
It's political spam. And then it's please help.

Leo Laporte (01:16:34):
So the opt outs will work. The opt outs will work with political spam. I once got a phone number from a guy who had donated to a political campaign and the phone would not stop buzzing with texts from every other related campaign saying, well, you gave him money, give us money. Those you can't opt out. Cuz those are legit. It mailers. If it's, if it's spam in the sense that it's, you know, illegal stuff, there's nothing you can do to opt out, but you're you can't opt out of the political stuff. So do that for sure. But if it's, if it's promoting a website or a miracle cure or an adult site or whatever, those you might as well just ignore. That's it's just a it's it's kind of a feature of the modern landscape. You should check his carrier to see what kind of blocking they have. You don't get it cuz you probably have a better carrier than D does. Hey, hold on a second. I'm gonna, we both talk, I'm gonna talk to you off the air, but cuz I have to take a break. Okay. Leo Laport, the Tech Guy,

Leo Laporte (01:17:39):
I think it's getting worse because I get calls every weekend now. And it's often from older folks who are just getting bombarded by this stuff. So you're the same carrier.

Caller #5 (01:17:52):
Yeah. So he's Verizon, I'm Verizon. He has an iPhone and, and this is something that I noticed on his phone. He has the first generation of phones that don't have the.at the bottom. Does that make sense? I forgot. I, I made a note at the note, I'm driving home from Phoenix. I'm gonna call you nothing else to do. Right. And it, I got halfway to Blyth where there's no service. I'm like, oh I didn't.

Leo Laporte (01:18:16):
So he has, he has an iPhone, but it doesn't have the fingerprint reader anymore. It's a face ID. So he is got a fairly modern iPhone.

Caller #5 (01:18:23):
Correct? Yeah. And what I noticed is that, and I never, and I, and I'm lucky I've had the same phone number and for his phone number is just as long as mine for 25 years. Wow. We both have long standing phone numbers. And what, what the difficulty is, is like, because he has these hearing aids, Bluetooth in it's pinging his hearing

Leo Laporte (01:18:44):
Aids. Oh, how annoying? Oh my gosh, is that annoying? I feel so bad for this. So the first thing you can do turn off notification. So that's the first thing. There's a couple of ways you could do that. You could put it and do not disturb and it won't Bing at all. So, and if he's, if he's been keeping his phone up to date, now they've renamed it to focus, but you could put it into focus mode, which is, do not disturb. And it won't Bing at all. You can also, and this might even be easier. Go into the mess into settings on the iPhone and then go down to messages. And you could say, I don't want notifications and it'll just stop notifying you. Now he may say, but I do want notifications. Then you should use do not disturb. And whenever you listen to music, just put it and do not disturb. And it won't Bing him anymore.

Caller #5 (01:19:29):
So here's, here's something I notice on his cell phone. And I don't know if his cell phone is and I'll keep this brief and I've never noticed it on my text messages is that when I went into his phone and I was like trying to figure out how to block them and opting out and just, I was so upset on his behalf, cuz it's all day, he has three different pages of filters on text messaging bundle and he has unknown senders. He has known senders and then all and he can filter through the street. So at least he sees his own.

Leo Laporte (01:20:02):
He has a more up to date iPhone than you do. That's part of the that's part of the new iOS

Caller #5 (01:20:09):
He's oh, is

Leo Laporte (01:20:09):
It? Yes. So he's kept his iPhone up to date. Good man. But if he,

Caller #5 (01:20:15):
So that's why he was like, I don't even care about that. I just said I, cause he's doctor's appointments. They text you.

Leo Laporte (01:20:21):
He does. Yeah. He wants, he wants those. Yeah. Yeah. So he can do all message known centers or unknown centers, but he can also, and you can even fine tune this in, in the settings. He can also go to messages. One thing he'll wanna do is make sure that you can always get through, do not disturb. So he should make sure you're in his favorites, but you can go into messages and you can set, you really can control this. There's a notification setting you off notifications. You could say, I only want notifications from family members, that kind of thing. And it takes a little futsing around, but he can, are you gonna go back to Phoenix at some point and do this or yeah,

Caller #5 (01:21:00):
I'll be back there in like four more weeks. Okay. So then, so I'll just go into settings and toggle. So it's not alerting him all the time. Right. But there's no app that I can download or there's nothing I could do. Maybe I could check with Verizon.

Leo Laporte (01:21:12):
There is you're in luck. Verizon has a call filter. They call, they have a funny text messages. Well they, they let's see call filter for robo calls. Let's see if it does text messaging. I believe they have O text messaging. They call it smishing. I've never heard that. Okay. So let me, there is an article@verizon.com account security. How to block spam text, by the way it says don't unwanted suspicious text. Not even to say stop because yeah. Anyway, I have to run, but I will at the Tech Guy lab site put a link to this Verizon article on what to do is that Tech Guy labs.com. Thank you, Kelly. I I'm glad I go gardening with you. That's the only time I get I get outside. All right, bye. Bye. Every, I always get excited when I hear this music, cuz I know it's time for Chris mark order or photo guy, except not this week.

Leo Laporte (01:22:17):
He's visiting as folks probably setting up the phone so they don't get unwanted spam messages. This has obviously gotten to be a big, big, big, big problem. You know, robo calls last year, right? And then the phone companies at the behest of the FCC started to do something about that. Now they're gonna have to do something about spam text messages. Verizon has a page. They call it smishing. I think they're the, I've never heard that before is I think they made that up. S is a term they say use to describe fishing attempts, fishing. I know that's when you get something that purports to be from your bank or you know, your credit card, but isn't it's from a bad guy. That's called phishing. Smishing are scams and phishing attempts that use text messages, SMS as the primary attack platform. Verizon, you made that word up. I don't SM it's a good word though. I'm gonna use it. Smishing is used to gather different types of personal inform. Now this is important. Understand this. They're trying to gather personal information which may include credit card information. Spam texts also known as phishing texts are messages sent by hackers, which attempt to get you to click on a link or divulge personal information. Scam types says Verizon, but they'll all attempt to rope you in with lucrative offers or scare you dangle fake information. I get a lot of, 'em say we couldn't deliver your package. That kind of thing, smishing.

Leo Laporte (01:24:01):
So if you Google Verizon and smishing, since they that word you'll probably go right to this article. Some common examples of smishing include spam text messages about bank notifications, smishing, text messages about package updates, spam text messages about act now coupons and urgent warnings. If you receive any of these from unknown number is be suspicious, especially for financial texts. You should be suspicious no matter what unknown or known numbered they, those numbers are meaningless. Now, unfortunately here's the, the, here's the part of the article that talks about how to stop this blocking spam texts is one of the best ways to prevent future spam texts. Well, duh, we'll be discussing ma don't respond unwanted, suspicious texts. Not even to say stop, you know, it's very tempting. Oh, maybe they'll listen. No, if they're bad guys, they're not gonna listen. In fact, it's the worst.

Leo Laporte (01:25:02):
If you say stop, they go, oh, we got a live one here. They're just doing completely random numbers. It's not like they're calling you. They're doing one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten one two three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine eleven. You know, that kind of thing. Reports spamers to Verizon. There's not enough time in the day to do that. Filter potential spam techs with tools like call filter, which is a Verizon tool. And, and then you can block specific. Spamers in your, my Verizon account. Don't bother unless it's somebody, you know, harassing you because the spamers the SMS. If you will never use the same phone number twitce. So you can't block 'em. But if it is somebody you knows, like using their phone to bug you, that's, that's what you should use that for. If you're on an iPhone, you can filter unknown messages. That's what her dad was doing, which is, which is good. You do wanna make sure that, you know, he'd wanna make sure that Kelly, his daughter is in the address book as a you know, a known contact so that her messages get through. So what that doesn't, it's very useful. And I turn that on is I don't get messages from somebody who's not in my address book.

Leo Laporte (01:26:14):
And they, so they go to unknown, which is what I want that unknown center's tab. And then I never look at 'em you kind of want it there. Just like you want your spam for in your email. Just so once in a while I could check, make sure you're not missing anything important on Android phones. Tap on settings enables spam protection. This is for Verizon customers. Actually it looks like Android actually has some more choices, but Google smishing. Let me just see if anybody's else. I gotta do this. Has anybody else ever used the word smishing? Oh, it's in the Oxford dictionary. Oh, well I guess they didn't make it up. There's a whole bunch of articles on smishing. I just I'm. I'm not behind the times. I'm behind the times. Little did I know? It's clever. I don't I'm wonder when it was first used. Oh, it's been around for a while. Here's an article from 2018. What is smishing from Norton? Hey Norton. Oh, and there's vishing smishing and vishing V I S H I N G. Now I I'm gotten outta rabbit hole. What is smishing? Phishing and fishing. Did you think you'd learn about that today? What is phishing?

Leo Laporte (01:27:33):
What is smishing? I'm trying to find the, what is phishing section vishing or oh, voice phishing. Okay. Well that's why they call and say hello. I'm calling from window. You have a bug on your computer. That's a fishing scam. All right. Fishing, smishing and fishing. I dunno why I never heard those phrases. That's new to me, Andrew in Winslow, Arizona. Hey Andrew.

Caller #6 (01:28:07):
Hey Leo. How you doing?

Leo Laporte (01:28:09):
I'm great. How are you?

Caller #6 (01:28:11):
I'm doing great. I'm just calling, trying to help that lady a couple calls ago, having issues with the QuickBooks.

Leo Laporte (01:28:17):
Oh please. Hallelujah.

Caller #6 (01:28:19):
Yeah. I actually work for QuickBooks accountant care. So, oh, help you with this kind of every day.

Leo Laporte (01:28:24):
Can you give me your number and I'll have her call you.

Caller #6 (01:28:27):
I wish

Leo Laporte (01:28:28):
Get that all the time. So you work at customer service for QuickBooks. So you understand the problem. She had QuickBooks 2016 mistakenly upgraded her Mac past Mojave, 10, 14, suddenly she can't access the, the program won't run anymore. She was hoping she could take her data file and just bring it over to a windows machine. But it's apparently, even though it's churned on it, empty, what's going on.

Caller #6 (01:28:53):
So my question to her would be which data file she trying to take her working file or her backup file.

Leo Laporte (01:28:59):
Mm.

Caller #6 (01:29:00):
Cause she, if she has a QB B file, which is the backup, which is what she says she has, she should be able to take that to any desktop version and be able to do whatever she wants.

Leo Laporte (01:29:11):
So look for the QB B file.

Caller #6 (01:29:14):
Yeah, the QB B and you were right. We do have trials available for desktop. I going back to 17, ah, 17

Leo Laporte (01:29:23):
Too. So she should get a a trial version that works for Monterey, which is what she upgraded to, which is probably 20, 22 install that. And at least she can open that file. Can she print a report out then?

Caller #6 (01:29:36):
Oh yeah, yeah. She a report. She can export it to wherever she wants. Do what she wants. She could even take it online.

Leo Laporte (01:29:42):
Andrew. I'm so glad you called.

Caller #6 (01:29:45):
Yeah, I was freak. I was freaking out when I heard, I was like, she can fix this

Leo Laporte (01:29:49):
Good. Well, that's what, you know what, that's why we have a phone and I'm so glad you called. I, and I'm sorry, she didn't get you when she called customer service. Cuz it sounds like you're, you're the good guy and you could have helped her, her.

Caller #6 (01:30:02):
Yeah. I would have her call tomorrow because we're gonna be open tomorrow. I'd have her call tomorrow. Okay. And try to, you know, get a trial version. I mean she can Google it too. Just QuickBook on top trial. Yeah. It'll pop up for her. But yeah, she should be able to do that.

Leo Laporte (01:30:19):
And you know, in your defense, in, in the, into its defense, you really do need to, if you're especially a production machine with stuff that you use for work, you really gotta keep it up today. She had, I, it sounds like she had stopped working in in bookkeeping for a while and was, and was starting up again. And that's why it wasn't up date. So this is,

Caller #6 (01:30:41):
And as you know, as, you know, as a security thing and I mean, yeah, she, she can get it done. It's just, she's gotta go through the steps to do

Leo Laporte (01:30:48):
It. I take back everything I said about QuickBooks. We are happy QuickBooks customers. So yeah. I really appreciate your doing that. Andrew, you went, went the extra mile. I know you're not on the clock. Thank you. I really appreciate that. Yeah.

Caller #6 (01:31:01):
You're welcome. I'm always here for the bookkeepers. They help everybody else.

Leo Laporte (01:31:04):
I agree. Especially at tax time. Oh yeah. All right. Hey, I hope you have a great day. Thank you, Andrew. Really appreciate it.

Caller #6 (01:31:13):
Thank you, Leo. All right. You too.

Leo Laporte (01:31:15):
It's a girl. My Lord and a flatbed forward look. Oh, I'm sorry. I just went over here. Wins lawyer, Arizona. I, that song goes through my head. Leo Laportert the Tech Guy more calls right after this. Just a quick note. Before we get back to the show that our annual survey is on for the next eight days, but at the end of the month, that's it it cutting it off. We do this once a year to get to know you better. It helps us do a better job for you. It also helps us with advertise, go to twitt TV slash survey 22. Shouldn't take more in a few minutes. I've already heard from a few people who said, cuz one of the things we say is what's your primary operating system. And somehow I don't know how an error on the factory floor.

Leo Laporte (01:32:00):
They left out Linux. So I apologize for those of you who, who day to day are Linux users. I don't know what the answer. I think you have to answer it to go to the next question. So just, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to say. I'm sorry. That was my, my mistake. I didn't review it before we put it out. I should have that's the one flaw in there. So go to twit.tv/survey 22, maybe at the end you can write a note saying I'm a Linux user twit.tv/survey 22. And by the way, thank you. It really helps us out. Leo Laport The Tech Guy, eighty eight eighty eight ask know the phone number Jeff on the line from Santa Clarita, California. Our next caller. Hi Jeff.

Caller #7 (01:32:44):
Hi Leo. You know, I always thought AMI was a scar that you got from a bad, so fight.

Leo Laporte (01:32:49):
It's a SM I got a SM on my cheek. It's very handsome. Yeah. Isn't that funny? I never heard that word, but I guess it's it's I don't wanna say common used, but it is used by some,

Caller #7 (01:33:02):
One of the new terms. Yep. I'm old school. So I don't know these things,

Leo Laporte (01:33:06):
You know, fishing though. Right. And things like that. Oh yeah,

Caller #7 (01:33:09):
Yeah. Oh yeah. I can't believe how much of that is happening. Yeah. I've had so many things. You've been billed $990 for this. Yes. Click here. This is incorrect and yeah. Yeah. Thank

Leo Laporte (01:33:20):
You. I get that email daily now. Thank you for your order.

Caller #7 (01:33:26):
Yeah. Yeah. I've been going through email conundrums of late and let's see. One of them goad recently wrote to me and said, we're changing the way our email works. And about 30 years ago I signed up with go goad because I was getting tired of changing my E email address and informing everybody it's Comcast, no it's road runner. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:33:56):
I actually recommended that for years, get a domain, you know, your last name or whatever. Leport family.com, whatever it is and use that, then you can just change it easily. Yeah.

Caller #7 (01:34:08):
And I've been doing that now for almost 30 years and I've been using outlook express. If you remember that to do my backups and I can get any of my email going back for 20 years, the

Leo Laporte (01:34:19):
Late lament outlook express Microsoft had a perfect, literally had a perfect program and they killed it. It's

Caller #7 (01:34:26):
It's it's great. I still run it on my windows 2000 machines Backups, and I have it all, you know, categorized. Wow. Wow. Now they're writing to me saying they're changing their settings and they're, I'm only gonna be AC be able to access through a browser. So I wanna,

Leo Laporte (01:34:43):
Oh, that's terrible.

Caller #7 (01:34:46):
So I wanna seek a new domain host and I wondered if you had any suggestions that would still do pop three.

Leo Laporte (01:34:53):
Yeah. Oh, you want pop? You wanna stick with pop three?

Caller #7 (01:34:57):
Yeah. If I can,

Leo Laporte (01:34:58):
That's a little tricky. Almost everybody's moved to IMAP and honestly IMAP is better in every single respect. So pop three, the old post office protocol really came from an era when mail providers, it was chiefly your internet service provider at the time didn't wanna waste store on your old mail. So the way pop worked was kind of a store and forward system where they would get the mail stored for you until you collected it. Just like the mail, just like the post office. And once you collected it, they'd erase it on the drive. And that was really for their convenience, not yours. Ima keeps it on their drive cuz it's hard. Drive space is cheap now. And that has now because of that. And that's how Gmail works and outlook mail works. And a lot of, lot of kind of mainstream mail systems now almost, I think everybody uses IMAP.

Leo Laporte (01:35:51):
And the reason is we now have multiple ways of accessing mail. You might have a phone, a laptop, a desktop, you might have one work. We one at home and you want that mail to be the same. If you collect all the mail at home, you won't be able to get it at work. So the IMAP server keeps the mail there you use. And by the way, all modern email clients will work with this except outlook express probably. But I can't promise you outlook express will work, but if you use a modern email client it will then appear the same everywhere you can cash it. So it's faster. You don't have to redownload it every time. But that's really a better way to do it. And then if you add a folder it's added everywhere. If you delete a folder, if you move a message, all of that is propagated to every system you use. So I don't

Caller #7 (01:36:38):
Go. One thing I don't one thing I don't like about all that is I don't like having all my personal information stored, filed somewhere.

Leo Laporte (01:36:46):
I understand that of that.

Caller #7 (01:36:47):
Yeah. Cause I've like bought property in New Zealand and my passport goes through there and all that. Yeah. yeah. And I guess the other question is how do I have make a copy that's on my drive so I know I'm never gonna lose it. I use IMAP. Is there a way to make a mailbox out of that and store it?

Leo Laporte (01:37:07):
Yes, absolutely. In fact outlook will export it as a, you know, a, a backup and that kind of thing. Gmail still supports Gmails free, still supports both pop and IMAP, but like most of the people who are support pop, they support it as a way to get mail. So you can still use outlook express for instance, but they are keeping a copy on their server. They, and I don't know of anybody now who deletes the mail in the server. That would just befuddle people since you like outlook, outlook.com, which is Microsoft's Hotmail, they replace Hotmail with outlook.com also supports pop Yahoo mail does problem.

Caller #7 (01:37:42):
Yeah. I had a problem with Hotmail last week where they changed their server settings and I went through, I was able to let's see, I was able to receive mail but not send it

Leo Laporte (01:37:54):
Frustrating. So I, so I will, I will tell you If you're willing to pay for it, I will tell you the best service out there.

Caller #7 (01:38:03):
Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:38:04):
But it's not free.

Caller #7 (01:38:06):
And, and will it still have my domain name? Yes, I can move my domain there. Yes. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:38:11):
It's what I use. And I, I just wanna make a plug for paying for your email part of the reason. I mean you did it go daddy, but part of the reason, you know, it's email is so disrupted is because it's, they're mostly free services people are using and you know, free isn't well supported. It's not, you can't count on it. Cetera, et cetera. So I like to pay emails important enough to me that I pay and it's not expensive. I mean, I don't know what it is. $10 or $30 a year. I don't know whatever. So the one I use is called fast mail. It's an Australian company, but they're very good, fast mail.com. They support pop. But like all of these other guys, they're still gonna keep a copy on the server unless you explicitly delete it, but they do have, you could set. They have very, so you can say, I want this mailbox to be emptied every 10 days or 30 days or 90 days or whatever you want. So you can have it automatically erase if for security.

Caller #7 (01:39:08):
Well, I like it when I download it to my client that erases at that point, I don't

Leo Laporte (01:39:12):
Know.

Caller #7 (01:39:12):
I don't have a bunch of devices that I'm okay. You know, I can, I can lead it as well. I can go back and

Leo Laporte (01:39:18):
I, I, they have a pop server. You'll have to see if you can have it delete on download. You know, what, if they have a pop server, you probably can. The other thing that they do is they also will do domain hosting. So what I generally do is I'll have, I have many email domains hosted by a fast mail. I'll move the 'em over to fast mail for the hosting. And that gives you a lot of the high end email things for authentication like Deim which, which validate that you actually are the sender. There's some really nice features. I'm just a big fan of, of fast mail. Okay. And they do support pop. Yep. And you can use IMAP and they have a web interface. I do have, you know, just like you, I don't want to have Leo fastmail.com as my address cuz what if I move? So I have all my domains go there and that's another nice thing you have unlimited aliases. So, okay. For instance I have an email at a, let's say it's LePort family.com. I can use any, every time I sign up for something. If I sign up for Verizon, it's verizon@leportfamily.com. If I sign up for you know Amazon it's Amazon at, and that's really nice, cuz it helps me filter it all keep track of it. It's a very good way to do it. I really like fast mail, well worth

Caller #7 (01:40:40):
It. I've been paying go daddy all these years and I've never even built a site there. I use it just for the email yeah. Domain name.

Leo Laporte (01:40:45):
Yeah. And our, our, one of our sponsors hover does that as well. Hover.Com. You register the domain name and they'll set up email for you and it's fairly inexpensive. They also offer pops. So that's one to look at. I use fast mail because they have very sophisticated filtering tools that I I have elaborate scripts, filtering my email,

Caller #7 (01:41:09):
My Hotmail account.

Leo Laporte (01:41:12):
Hello, uhoh his phone. I bet you, his battery died

Speaker 13 (01:41:23):
Or

Leo Laporte (01:41:23):
He just accidentally accidentally hung up. I think email is worth paying for. I do not think it's a good idea to erase your email. I understand for privacy purposes, you might want to, but remember you there's no copy of it anywhere else. Gmail kind of inspired all this by saying, Hey, we'll give you so much storage. You'll never have to erase it. And I use email as a database. I forgot what I talked about with somebody or with some of these email address, I can search it. Leo Laport, the Tech Guy demos. They approached me when so tech T when Comcast bought tech TV they brought a new program director Vinnie, Longo Baro I had already left the screensavers kind of in a contract dispute and blah, blah, blah. And, and you know, so this all went down in 2004.

Leo Laporte (01:42:20):
I had taken the radio show back, cuz I had heard that tech TVs for sale. I was very nervous about the future. So when KFI called me in January of 2004 and said, would you like to bring your radio show to KFI? I said, yes. So I was now working seven days a week. So that's why I thought, ah, when I went back to the screen savers, after a little contract dispute in April, I said, ah, I'm gonna stop doing the screen savers. I'll just do call for help. Then when Comcast bought Vinny called me into his office and said, Leo we're canceling call for help. And I said, okay, fine.

Leo Laporte (01:42:54):
Basically, I got nothing for you. And they didn't bring anybody over 25 down to LA. They really, you know, they, they had a different vision for the network and and the, you know, two most popular shows in the network apparently didn't fit that vision. So but he said, but he was trying to make me feel better. We're canceling your show. I hate to do it. We're canceling your show. By the way, there was then a massive letter writing twittter campaign. And it wasn't twittter in those days, but whatever it was and later he called me at his office said, can you please get these people to stop bugging me? I said, no,

Leo Laporte (01:43:35):
That's nerve you fire me. And then say, please have everybody stop bugging me. But when he fired me, he said, but the Canadian affiliate thinks call for helps a great show and they wanna keep doing it. So he sent me up to talk to G4 tech TV, Canada, which was independent of Comcast, was just kind of like an affiliate. They were taking the shows and they were disappointed because call for help did well for them. So I went up and talked to them and they said, would you like to come? We, it has to be Canadian content. So it has to be produced in Canada with a Canadian staff. And in fact you can, you're the only American who can work on the show. Otherwise it's not Canadian content. I said, well fine. I'll go to Toronto for four days a month and tape 15 shows and that'll be called for help Canada.

Leo Laporte (01:44:31):
So, well, Hey, Hey, Hey, how are you today? Leo Laportert here. The Tech Guy, time to talk computers, the internet, home theater, digital photography, smartphone, smart watches, all that jazz. Eighty eight eighty eight, ask Leo the phone number eight eighty eight, eight two seven five five, three, six free from anywhere in the us or Canada outside that area. It still reaches, but you'll have to use Skype or something like that. 88, 88 ask. There shouldn't cost you anything. That's the good news anywhere in the world. And we do get calls. We had call from Sydney, Australia yesterday. We do get calls from all over the world. Brian's on the line from my old stomping grounds, Lincoln Rhode Island. We were just talking about the cranberry bogs. Hi Brian.

Caller #8 (01:45:17):
Hi, thanks for taking the call as always. And you do a great job and you make it look easy.

Leo Laporte (01:45:23):
Oh, thank you. Well, I've been doing it for a while. It kind of gets, you know, it's like riding a bike. If you had to think about it, you probably couldn't do it, but

Caller #8 (01:45:33):
Well, I've gotten many great recommendations from you. Not the least of what is to to only buy a new computer with a solid state drive. Yes. That's the advice I've had in a long time.

Leo Laporte (01:45:44):
Yes. Good. So you did it.

Caller #8 (01:45:46):
So I did. Yeah. Good. And it's blindingly fast. But the, the reason I'm calling has to do with another recommendation of yours, that was wonderful. Is you in buying a drone, you suggested to buy as a starting drone, a DJ I ma minis. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:46:04):
Yeah. A year

Caller #8 (01:46:05):
And a half. Two years ago. Yeah. And I bought it, loved it and do love it and flew it for about a year and a half. And in order to control it, I use a pixel three, a phone. And when it updated to Android 12, the D I fly app, stopped working

Speaker 15 (01:46:26):
What, and

Caller #8 (01:46:28):
Turns out best I can tell from the web and from DJ I, that they stopped some reporting, a number of Android phones when they went to Android 12. So without that I can't fly the drone. And the one piece of advice that I found was that it apparently it's possible to download the Android 12 app directly from B I, but not through the play store. Cause it,

Leo Laporte (01:46:57):
Oh, that's it. So you have to side load it. Yeah. I'm looking on the DJA website. They do support Android 12, but you have to get this beta version from D i.com. I wonder why that is.

Caller #8 (01:47:12):
Well, apparently they support a number of the more popular Android phones, but not some of the others.

Leo Laporte (01:47:18):
Which one do you have that it doesn't work with.

Caller #8 (01:47:22):
I have a pixel three, a

Leo Laporte (01:47:24):
Ah, so that's interesting. You'd think, you'd think it would support the pixels. Right? Cause those are the Google phones. Those are the ones apparently doesn't work with the pixel six either, which is really surprising. That's the latest pixel. Yeah.

Caller #8 (01:47:41):
Well, well, it, it, it worked beautifully for a year and a half and I know that you, you know, it just, I guess my concern was, it doesn't seem as if D I is gonna update the app such that I can use it, but, but if I side load it, is that safe?

Leo Laporte (01:48:02):
Yeah. From the, as long as get, as you get it from D it is I'm but I'm puzzled and I'm reading through this thread on the D I forums. I'm very puzzled that it doesn't work with a Samsung S 21 apparently. But they have been updated. Okay. So yeah, I would get it from D I, they and side loaded, you know, how to side load

Caller #8 (01:48:29):
I've never done before.

Leo Laporte (01:48:31):
Yeah. So you'll have to go into settings and turn on a setting that says, allow third party app stores, and then you'll wanna do this on the phone, go to the website on the phone and click the link and download it. You'll download a file. That's a dot APK file, which you can then tap on a low open up and install just like you got it anywhere else. That setting will turn itself back off, which is a good thing, probably cuz you do wanna be very thoughtful when you download from anywhere, but the Google play store in this case. I think it's safe. It does seem odd that DJ and I'm not sure what's going on. We're remember DGI is a Chinese company. Google does not do business in China. You can't get those pixel phones in China. Although you could get a Samsung phone.

Leo Laporte (01:49:24):
So I'm not sure exactly what's going on. It looks like with a Samsung firmware update, people have got the S 21 ultra to work with the DJ fly app. So maybe Samsung had made it could change there maybe because they can't get the pixel phones. They haven't developed for the pixel phones. I'm not sure. It does seem like DJ should do something about that. Remember they also sell a remote, you know, that you can use with your Mavi you know, that you don't have to use a phone. And so maybe they're less IETT to make a third party phone system work with it. I don't know.

Caller #8 (01:50:04):
Would, would, would that remote actually work with mini? I didn't know.

Leo Laporte (01:50:08):
I don't know why it wouldn't, but I would, I would check. Okay. Yeah, they are now offering new Mavic three. My son used the mini for a while. I really love, I love it's easy to fly. That's the thing. But what's interesting about this business. The drone business is they get easier every year. You know, it's, it's real, really remarkable. So as long as yours is working fine, there's no reason to get a new one, but yeah, they're up to the Mavic three now.

Caller #8 (01:50:34):
And well, the only thing I would say was it's been so much fun to have, and it was a great recommendation, but I'm nearly your age. I've listened to you for many years. And if I had gotten this device, when I was the youngster, I would've, the

Leo Laporte (01:50:49):
You're more disciplined than I am. As you know, I don't allow myself the pleasure of droning cuz I've lost far too many and they're far too expensive to throw away like that. But my Mavic went overboard in the Caribbean and sank. And that was that. So

Caller #8 (01:51:08):
Yeah, as you remember that, so, but, but apparently just, just for other people, it seems almost as if DJ, I would just prefer that you use an iPhone and be done with it. They seem to support iPhones very well.

Leo Laporte (01:51:21):
Isn't that interesting? Yeah, the, it is difficult. This is a mild defense. There are so many Android phones. It's a lot easier to develop for the iPhone cuz that's, that's one manufacturer, one line it's a lot easier with an Android phone. You know, they support it, but it has to work for hundreds, if not thousands of different models and a model they can't actually get in China. Maybe that's really the problem. I don't know. Make sure you have the latest firmware on both the phone. I'm sure you do for security reasons. Although three a is pretty old and and on the ma itself. Okay. Yeah, I, yeah. And then, yes, it's safe to side load it. Abso if you're getting it from D I directly.

Caller #8 (01:52:09):
Okay. That's super. That's what I needed to know. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:52:12):
It says they support. I'm looking at the, the chat room has posted a list of all the phones they support. And it does say it's compatible with the pixel three XL, but not the doesn't mention the three a so that's interesting.

Caller #8 (01:52:27):
Hmm. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:52:28):
Hmm. Three. A's basically a three. It was absolutely. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure why it looks like it works with a pretty large number of Android funds, but not all of them. Cuz there are, as I said, thousands, thousands. Hey, enjoy your drone. Don't crash it. Stay away from stay away from catamarans in the Caribbean. That's all I can say. Thank you so much. Have a great one. Enjoy your day in Rhode Island, 88, 88. Ask Leo. If you've got answers to questions, you can help us out. If got your own questions, you can help either way 88, 88, ask Leah Leo. Leport the Tech Guy more calls right after this. I saw that yaw. I'm sorry. I'm boring. You you,

Rod Pyle (01:53:22):
How you doing?

Leo Laporte (01:53:23):
I'm great. How are you?

Rod Pyle (01:53:25):
I'm good. Hey, it's the 60th anniversary of John Glenn's flight today.

Leo Laporte (01:53:29):
Oh well that's we gotta celebrate that.

Rod Pyle (01:53:31):
Yeah, we gotta talk about him cuz he's

Leo Laporte (01:53:33):
He's the right stuff, man. He is a Steeley missile man.

Rod Pyle (01:53:38):
He is. And that movie kind of mythologized everybody, but Glen really was that much of an all American boy. Yeah. I mean, when you really read about his life, I wrote a book a couple years at 2019 called heroes of the space age and his chapter was like number two, I think. Oh and when you look at this guy, I mean he, he bled red, white and blue. I mean it, it is just it's corny, but it's amazing and really inspiring. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:54:05):
Yeah. He's yeah. He's a boy. He was amazing.

Rod Pyle (01:54:09):
And married to this, to the, the love of his life that he met

Leo Laporte (01:54:12):
When he was a toddler. Aw. They were married all their lives.

Rod Pyle (01:54:16):
Yeah. I admire that. I didn't do it, but I admire

Leo Laporte (01:54:19):
Yeah. I admire it from a distance. Yeah. I'm on my third wife now rod. So I'm going to hell,

Rod Pyle (01:54:27):
I'll see you there.

Leo Laporte (01:54:29):
Yeah.

Rod Pyle (01:54:30):
I mean I honestly, well, we should be careful what we say, but, or wish for it, but it's gotta be more fun out there.

Leo Laporte (01:54:39):
All the best people. But I remember from, we won't meet any SEAI missile men, but 

Rod Pyle (01:54:43):
You know, are you kidding? All those guys went there. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:54:45):
They were pretty bad. Come think of it except for yeah.

Rod Pyle (01:54:48):
But the rest of them.

Leo Laporte (01:54:48):
Yeah. Glen was the boy scout. Literally

Rod Pyle (01:54:50):
You remember the scene about the cookies,

Leo Laporte (01:54:52):
The right stuff. Oh, I totally do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I I am a big fan of the right stuff. That was one of my favorite movies. It

Rod Pyle (01:55:03):
Was fun. I think we talked about a little bit, you know, I gotta say I loved a lot of things, the movie, but I think my favorite scene of all is when Sam shepherd rides up on the X, the X one, and it's just sitting there kind of burning off some excess fuel in the desert and there's nobody around. Yeah. That kind of spooky sunset scene.

Leo Laporte (01:55:22):
I

Rod Pyle (01:55:23):
Love that. That was really something.

Leo Laporte (01:55:24):
Give me a stick. A beamage love that. Love that you ran fun, gray rid. And of course nobody better than Sam. She to play that way. Geez Louise.

Rod Pyle (01:55:35):
Yeah. And you know, I really wanted to love the the net geo series that geo Disney series they did. And I, and I worked on the nonfiction version of that thing, but the dramatic show

Leo Laporte (01:55:48):
It was, you know,

Rod Pyle (01:55:48):
It

Leo Laporte (01:55:49):
Was

Rod Pyle (01:55:49):
Different. It for what it was. I thought it was good, but it wasn't as much fun as the movie.

Leo Laporte (01:55:53):
I haven't seen it. So I, you know, I yeah, it's not enough. We've done. Well, not enough time in the world to watch all the things I'd like to watch. Unfortunately,

Rod Pyle (01:56:04):
ER

Leo Laporte (01:56:04):
Crater in the Winslow, Arizona, have you ever been there? Big meteor. Yeah. Yeah,

Rod Pyle (01:56:09):
Yeah. It's cool. Yeah. It's, it's kind of weird cuz they've got a little they, they, they thought they were gonna get a bunch of meteor or out of it. They didn't realize most of it vaporized and fractured when it right. But there's a little mining station down the by I think it's still there. I haven't been there for a while.

Leo Laporte (01:56:25):
Oh. So they were trying to dig it up. Oh, that's interesting.

Rod Pyle (01:56:27):
Yeah. They thought, oh there's gotta be all kinds of or down there. Oh no, there's not

Leo Laporte (01:56:31):
What would it, would it be just, just iron, right? What is, what would it be? That would be so

Rod Pyle (01:56:38):
Valuable. It depends on the meat, but yeah, it would've been just iron cuz the other, I think the carbon types would probably fracture and vaporize. So if it was a, an iron, if it was an iron versus a Stony, there'd be ironer there. But you know, iron's not that hard to find. Yeah. So it really was kind of ill advised in the beginning. No gold. Sorry.

Leo Laporte (01:56:58):
Yeah.

Rod Pyle (01:56:59):
How did that come up? Were you talking about it earlier?

Leo Laporte (01:57:01):
We had a caller. It was a long dis dis you know, dis it was a long you know, thing, a rat hole.

Rod Pyle (01:57:11):
Oh, a

Leo Laporte (01:57:11):
Rabbit hole. Well, no, I can't remember the word. It was a long digression. There you go. There you go. But it started a guy called from wins, lawyer, Arizona. And I said, oh, it's a girl, my Lord and a flatbed Ford. And then it turns out I looked Winslow Arizona. Right. And it turns out they have a park called standing on a corner and there's a mural there. But also then somebody said, well, you've been to the crater. Right. And I said, I never what crater? They said, how can you never, oh, you haven't gone. Well, I am from the east coast. We don't go to Arizona. Yeah.

Rod Pyle (01:57:41):
That's well, you don't go.

Leo Laporte (01:57:42):
Just to look, I've been to the Plymouth rock, the cranberry bogs. I've seen the statue of Liberty at night. I mean, no, I haven't seen the big hole in the ground where the Brock hit. All right, here we go. Here we go. I'll talk to you in about 15. Okay. Leo Laportert the Tech Guy? Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number. Everybody's favorite comedian, Arizona. Lou on the line. Hi Arizona. Lou.

Caller #9 (01:58:11):
Hey howdy. I climbed down that hole when they were still allowing it media crater.

Leo Laporte (01:58:17):
You've been in Barringer crater down into, into it. Huh? How deep does it go

Caller #9 (01:58:22):
Into oh, about that far?

Leo Laporte (01:58:28):
Yeah, we were cuz we had a caller from Winslow, Arizona and then the chat room saying, well you've been to Baringer crater. I said, well, no, but see I'm not from around here. So you know that's

Caller #9 (01:58:39):
Meteor. Yeah. How about that? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:58:42):
So what's up in Arizona? Lou's life here.

Caller #9 (01:58:46):
Well, if rod is still around, I have a quick question. Then I have a question about email. That's about to make me crazy.

Leo Laporte (01:58:53):
Well, rod happens to be here. He's getting ready for his segment. A little later on he's in the capsule, rotating around Mar is what, what, what is that Mars out your window there. Rod. It looks like that's Mars. The, the red planet. Yeah. I don't think we call it rotating. I think in the space talk it's orbiting, but you know, you'll get the idea. So what do you wanna know from rod?

Caller #9 (01:59:17):
Well, I have, do you recommend I on my, you next comedy tour, I'm gonna be driving a minivan. Don't believe what you hear about the old guy in a minivan. Anyway. Anyway, I'm just, do

Leo Laporte (01:59:29):
You have, do you have free candy written on the side? Cause I,

Rod Pyle (01:59:32):
I, I knew you were gonna go there.

Caller #9 (01:59:36):
I don't have candy. All

Leo Laporte (01:59:38):
Right. Okay.

Caller #9 (01:59:41):
On, on my way, between home here in Phoenix and doing the comedy in El Paso, I can stop by spaceport America. Have you ever been there? Do you recommend stopping by there? This is Rick Bronson's thing.

Rod Pyle (01:59:58):
I haven't been there. You're not talking about the the facility that by Johnson space center. Are you

Caller #9 (02:00:05):
No. I'm talking about no, it's not between Phoenix and, and El Paso taxes. It's there truth are consequences in New Mexico.

Rod Pyle (02:00:13):
Oh, oh,

Leo Laporte (02:00:13):
Oh space port

Rod Pyle (02:00:14):
America.

Leo Laporte (02:00:14):
Yes. formally the Southwest regional space port.

Rod Pyle (02:00:18):
Yeah. So you know, a couple years ago, I wouldn't have given it strong thumbs up, but now that Virgin Galactic's operating out of there, there's more to see, but you have to have an organized tour. So I would call ahead to make sure you can get the tour cuz you can't just stroll around. You gotta, you gotta sign up.

Leo Laporte (02:00:35):
You should also supposed to be, there's a space port America podcast now. So you can, you can get ready before you go. And that's where the thunder board Thunderbirds try. So you might, you might see some Thunderbird, which is always exciting.

Rod Pyle (02:00:47):
The Virgin's got all their stuff down there. That's where they're flying out now. So yeah, that, that would be worth and the architecture is really cool. It's one of those, you know, they sprayed a bit or they inflate a big mushroom shaped balloon and then spray concrete over it. And so it it's a very cool looking place. Oh my.

Leo Laporte (02:01:04):
But launch is not open to the public at this point. You have to arrange a tour ahead of time.

Caller #9 (02:01:09):
Yeah. Cause

Leo Laporte (02:01:10):
You know, it's an act that says this on the website. It's an active test facility. You don't, you don't wanna just wander wander in there.

Caller #9 (02:01:17):
People messing around. No, no. And then between El Paso, Texas and Dallas, I'll be, I can stop by blue origin, their near van horn Texas.

Leo Laporte (02:01:29):
Is that is that Boca Chica?

Rod Pyle (02:01:32):
No. That's van horn. So's

Leo Laporte (02:01:34):
Where Bezo

Rod Pyle (02:01:35):
Yeah. That's where the new shepherd launches out of. Yeah. You know, I would, I would definitely call ahead there because I don't think unless you're a member of the press, I'm not sure you can get a tour of that facility and there's not much there. You know, it, it's not like a, it's not like SpaceX is operation. It's kind of a, a lonely, a lonely launch pad with a bunch of stairs, up to a gantry and a couple of buildings. So they do have a, a, a test of manufacturer facility there,

Leo Laporte (02:01:58):
I think. But look for a guy in a big cowboy hat, you might, you might get lucky a bottle of champagne just ready

Caller #9 (02:02:06):
Can say I've been there.

Leo Laporte (02:02:09):
Yeah. I mean, you know, I I'm with you Arizona, Lou, you know, you're driving there, you got a van you know, drive by anyway. Wave, take a picture. Look. Yeah. It, I think that sounds like fun. I mean, how often you gonna get to Vanhorn, Texas? Let's be honest

Caller #9 (02:02:25):
In a van.

Leo Laporte (02:02:27):
Yeah. In a van van, van horn important. Apparently. Now what was your email? Thank you, rod. We'll talk to rod more about, Spacey's a big anniversary today. Actually we'll talk to him in just a bit, but what was your email question look?

Caller #9 (02:02:38):
Well, I, I'm not sure where email resides as

Leo Laporte (02:02:43):
It lives in the ether. Like all of us, it resides in two places. The company providing the email has a copy of it. So it floats through the you know, the internet until it gets to often, by the way, email passes through a variety of servers on the way to you. So you send an email and it goes out, it goes through a variety of servers, just like your your rousing does as you search for a website eventually gets to the server that hosts your email. It sits there on their hard drive. When you use your email program, we were talking about this earlier, when, when we were talking about pop three and the old days when hard drive space was expensive, they'd expect you to download your mail and then they'd delete it. But nowadays they keep it with most email servers and you have a cashed copy on your hard drive. So and you,

Caller #9 (02:03:35):
So when I went, so when I went from GoDaddy, from my web host to host Gator, did my email location move.

Leo Laporte (02:03:47):
It did not. Your old mail mail received at GoDaddy stay at GoDaddy. It did not move over unless you explicitly said, get my old email. And there, there often ways to do that. For instance, you move off Gmail, you can have Gmail send your email to your new provider, but unless you explicitly do that, no, the email that you received at GoDaddy stays at GoDaddy. Eventually they delete it.

Caller #9 (02:04:11):
And then since I changed to host, Gator is my email now being,

Leo Laporte (02:04:16):
It's living at host Gator, that's right. It's living at, even if you had a domain name registered at Godad, the host is where the email lives. So, you know, you probably still do have an email domain from GoDaddy, but that's just really a phone book directory that says when email arrives at this address forwarded on to that server. In fact, I don't think even it goes through goad anymore, it doesn't even go through goad. Yeah.

Caller #9 (02:04:43):
The question of the day is I'm trying to get, I created a new email address at host G and I wanna get it forwarded to goad and I

Leo Laporte (02:04:56):
Called crossing the streams. And it's very dangerous. No, I'm just kidding. So why, so you do you, do you, so you wanna create, you want a, a domain name from host Gator, but why, but you, but you don't get email at GoDaddy anymore. I thought,

Caller #9 (02:05:12):
No, no. I, I, I, I do all my email through G email. Ah, so I went, I went to Gmail and said to their section that says mail forwarding and stuff.

Leo Laporte (02:05:27):
Yes. So that just sends it along. It's almost as if you manually forwarded it and said, send it to this server too. So they keep a copy and then they forward it off to somebody else. Sometimes it bounces off. Depends how you set it up.

Caller #9 (02:05:41):
I want everything to show up with just one email account, go to the Gmail and I see everything.

Leo Laporte (02:05:49):
Okay. So that's what you do. You'll set up the GoDaddy account and the host skater account to forward the Gmail. And then that way it's all in your Gmail inbox. What's nice about that is that the sending email address will not change. So you can actually even filter it. You could have a box that says, this is the email that was sent to my address at GoDaddy. This is email that was sent to my address at host cater. And this was sent to me at Gmail. And you can actually have different mailboxes for all three that's. That's just a filter though.

Caller #9 (02:06:19):
Now I'm looking at the screen that says, add another email address. You own.

Leo Laporte (02:06:25):
There you go. It

Caller #9 (02:06:26):
Says the S MTP server.

Leo Laporte (02:06:28):
That's the outbound server address. So you'll have to ask GoDaddy or host skater. They'll have a page. We'll describe all their different servers. And that's where that information lives. Leo Laport, the Tech Guy. So does that make sense? Let me look at Gmail. I don't, I don't remember how you sort

Caller #9 (02:06:45):
Of, yeah, yeah. And then it has user name.

Leo Laporte (02:06:48):
Yeah. Cuz you can't just say SMTP is used for outbound, so I'm not sure why they want the SMTP. That would be, if you were gonna send the mail from host Gator or go down, normally you'd send, oh, you do want that. You want,

Caller #9 (02:07:02):
I want any Inma email that rises. This is info Arizona, lou.com. Right? I didn't wanna say it while you're on the air. So I assume that the SMTP server means go daddy.

Leo Laporte (02:07:18):
Yeah. Cuz Gmail know is its own SMTP server. That's the outbound mail server. Obviously Gmail doesn't need to ask you about that and thoses. So use your name. Is this under, is this under forwarding the forwarding thing at a forwarding address?

Caller #9 (02:07:36):
No, I think it is.

Leo Laporte (02:07:37):
Let me just check here. Yeah. So yeah, they may, in order to access those outbound servers, you nowadays, most SMTP servers are locked down because they don't want spamers to use 'em right. So in order to use it, you have to authenticate with your password and login and then it'll go, oh, oh, Arizona lo has an account with us. It's okay. He can use our SMTP server.

Caller #9 (02:08:03):
Now the password is my

Leo Laporte (02:08:05):
Go daddy passwords. Yeah. Whatever the other company is. Yes. Not your Google password. It's so you can authenticate with the outbound mail server. So wherever that outbound mail server is, it would be your login and password for that company.

Caller #9 (02:08:20):
Everything I've tried, I've gotten a authentication fail. Please check your username password.

Leo Laporte (02:08:28):
Okay. So you gotta, so what the

Caller #9 (02:08:32):
Username I have is

Leo Laporte (02:08:34):
Don't you don't have to tell me that's not, I don't need to, I don't. I need it. Ha okay. I don't need to know it except is it a host skater?

Caller #9 (02:08:43):
That's that's the email I had, but I've tried several things there, so I'm

Leo Laporte (02:08:47):
Not okay. So you'll need to, do you have sec, two factor authentication turned on with either of these?

Caller #9 (02:08:55):
Don't think so by I never get a screen asking me.

Leo Laporte (02:08:58):
Well, that's the thing. If you have two factor turned on, you usually can't just use your password cuz it wouldn't have a way of doing the second authentication. So in those cases you have to make a custom password. An they call a application specific password. So briefly you're on Gmail, but you want the outbound mail to go through host skater. Is that correct?

Caller #9 (02:09:26):
No, I, I, when I send mail, I just wanted to go either from my Gmail or my at Arizona Lou email.

Leo Laporte (02:09:36):
Oh, you want it to, okay. So that's different. You want Gmail to send it? You want use a a personality in effect that says you want everything to have the Arizona Lou email address on an outbound address on it. Right? That's that's the issue.

Caller #9 (02:09:53):
What, with the option of doing the Gmail? Either one.

Leo Laporte (02:09:56):
Okay. so that, that you can set up with Gmail as an alias. So that's very common. So for instance, I have leo@leoville.com. I don't want mail coming out from Gmail to be Laport, gmail.com. That's my Gmail address. I want it to be leo@leoville.com. That's a setting. You don't need to do anything about logging into the host skater or the Godad server. As long as you own those domain names. It doesn't matter. All you have to do is tell it when I send mail out from this account, make the return address. It's under accounts and import send mail as, okay. And then you can see, you can add another email address. It has to be one your own obviously. And then you can put in Arizona at whatever you, whatever you want to use and make that be the default alias for all the outbound email. If you want.

Caller #9 (02:10:59):
Now, if I might be related, try, this has taken so long, might be related. If I do from my Gmail compose, then I have a pop down.

Leo Laporte (02:11:11):
That's why you have a pop down. That's what that's for. Yep.

Caller #9 (02:11:15):
But I see everything I want except the info.

Leo Laporte (02:11:19):
Yeah. Well you have to add it. And that's in the accounts and import section send mail as I think it's gonna be a very short time before rod piles here, spaceman extraordinary. The author of first on the moon, all about Neil Armstrong space. 2.0, he's the editor in chief of the national space society magazine. I astra@spacedots.org. He is our own space guy host of this week in space succumbing, soon to a podcast client near you. Great to see you. Hi rod.

Rod Pyle (02:11:54):
Well done. Great to see

Leo Laporte (02:11:55):
You. Thank you. Did I get all the plugs in?

Rod Pyle (02:11:57):
I think so. Yeah. I don't think you missed

Leo Laporte (02:11:58):
A thing you and te Mallek do that. He's with, from space.com all about, I mean, the basically it's the long version of what you do every week on this show and I love it. And we're doing we're beta testing it right now in private that you guys can kind of spread your wings without a lot of people staring at you. And then I think in the next couple of episodes, we're gonna release it and all the old ones will be available too, unless they're terrible. Unless you say no, but they're not. Nah,

Rod Pyle (02:12:29):
I think we, we TARC and I have known each other for, I don't know, 10 or 12 years now. And he's the executive of editor over@space.com. So what I have to do every quarter, he has to do

Leo Laporte (02:12:39):
Your friendly RALS. Is that it? Yeah. Well,

Rod Pyle (02:12:41):
Well not really, cuz he's gotta do it 24 hours a day. I don't oh yeah,

Leo Laporte (02:12:45):
That's right. Quarter.

Rod Pyle (02:12:46):
Yeah. He's got a whole website.

Leo Laporte (02:12:47):
Yeah,

Rod Pyle (02:12:47):
Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. The guy is just, he's a monster. We love

Leo Laporte (02:12:51):
Space.Com. I mean, it's really funny

Rod Pyle (02:12:52):
And he's a sweet guy. Yeah. And it's, you know, it's, it's good for, for everybody. I mean, there's something for everybody there. So I really love what he does. So nice. Yeah. We've had a lot of fun,

Leo Laporte (02:13:00):
Big anniversary today. I am excited.

Rod Pyle (02:13:03):
Yeah. Yeah. 60 years ago today, John Glenn flew three orbits and this was the American response to Urie Gagarin and the Soviet union who had flown one orbit almost not quite 10 months prior. And the us had flown in the interim two suborbital flights of about 15 minutes, but we were really quite embarrassed by the, the Soviet success of that first human space flight. And so Glen was charged with kind of reclaiming American valor and you couldn't have picked a better guy, you know, as we discussed before if you ever saw the original right. The right stuff movie or read the book, the right stuff by Tom Wolf, that was John Glenn.

Leo Laporte (02:13:43):
He had the right stuff. He was,

Rod Pyle (02:13:45):
You had the right stuff

Leo Laporte (02:13:46):
In every respect, a Naval aviator. He had iron, you know nerves, but at the same time was a human his wife, is it Annie? I think it was Annie. Right? Annie Glen, Annie Glen his childhood sweetheart. Of course

Rod Pyle (02:14:03):
Eventually's sweetheart actually

Leo Laporte (02:14:05):
Toddlerhood sweetheart.

Rod Pyle (02:14:06):
Yeah. That's really

Leo Laporte (02:14:07):
A childhood sweet long time. And of course he eventually who became a Senator much respected Senator from Ohio. Really an amazing, I never met him at, did you ever meet John Glenn?

Rod Pyle (02:14:17):
I didn't. No, but, but he also, it's important to remember flew again on the space shuttle in 19 in his 1998 was

Leo Laporte (02:14:25):
Like his eighties, right? He was 77 seventies. Okay.

Rod Pyle (02:14:27):
But he held the record as the oldest flyer until Wally went up and new shepherd. But the thing about Glen, so, you know, a lot of test pilots, a lot of astronauts had the right stuff, quote unquote, but Glen also had tremendous humility. He was a world war II flyer in the Pacific. Almost lost his life there. A couple of times his plane was shot up very badly. He flew in north China after the, the under world war II. Then he flew in Korea during the Korean war. Almost didn't get accepted as an astronaut because he had enough credits for a master's degree, but he had never gotten his bachelor's.

Leo Laporte (02:15:02):
Ugh.

Rod Pyle (02:15:02):
So he is this close. Yeah. To not getting that flight. And when he flew in, in 1963 

Leo Laporte (02:15:11):
It

Rod Pyle (02:15:11):
Was, it was very touch and go the Atlas rocket. So this was the first time we'd flown a human on the Atlas rocket because it was, it was a nuclear bomb carrier. It was an ICBM had about a 50% success rate when he went up and the, the tank sides were so thin that if it wasn't fueled, it would collapse under its own weight. So there are a lot of downsides, you know, you put that much thrust under something that's as thin as a bunch of wet chopping bags and it's concerning. So, but he had the courage got up. There was in orbits. He was gonna go for eight orbits, but they cut it short because they, he had erratic thruster firing the automatic attitude control system was, was having problems. But more importantly, as you remember for the right stuff, the had gotten an indication on the ground that his heat shield had come loose, cuz it was designed to detach just before splash down to cushion the landing, not, not the best idea for design and they were concerned the heat shield was loose and when he reentered that he'd burn up.

Rod Pyle (02:16:08):
So even though there's nothing they could do about it, they wanted to bring him back early big curfuffle there because didn't tell him what was going on until finally one of the other astronauts got on the microphone and said, look, here's what's happening. Turned out. The doctors were afraid to tell him, cause they thought, you know, man in space might panic because he's in space, not

Leo Laporte (02:16:27):
John Glen

Rod Pyle (02:16:27):
Man, not John Glen man. He's a

Leo Laporte (02:16:29):
Steeley missile man. You can't rattle him.

Rod Pyle (02:16:32):
But you know, so While all this is going on at the same time, his lifestyle, he's a devoted husband, father of I think three kids, you know, all the other astronauts are as you know, kind of, you know, moving beyond their marriages a bit here

Leo Laporte (02:16:46):
And wild men, most times wild.

Rod Pyle (02:16:48):
He wasn't, they're driving covets in Austin, Healy sports cars and he's driving a 600 CC NSU princes. So ask, ask Sam about that next time it was a pathetic little 35 horsepower car, you know, he never showed off. I mean he was just, and he was like the ultimate Patriot. He bled red, white and blue, just amazing guy. He's

Leo Laporte (02:17:11):
Really our model. When, when I think of astronaut in my head John, Glenn's the model for that Neil Armstrong too, who very much followed in the same vein really did of these quiet, humble, but very brilliant steely explorers, the kind of people you kind of want to be pushing the envelope for mankind and I, and I, yeah, he's just we should, we should. And then that's why I always got a little annoyed when Jeff Bezos called his flight and you know, saying he's an astronaut that's, that's not an astronaut John Glen, that's an astronaut, you know? 

Rod Pyle (02:17:47):
And I mean just to add a little more color to his profile know besides football and basketball in high school, he was in the glee club Because that's where Annie was. We wanted,

Leo Laporte (02:18:00):
Oh, he wanted close to Annie? Yeah. That I did not know that's hysterical.

Rod Pyle (02:18:02):
And, and in terms of his scientific curiosity when they do you know how they had to do their survival training in the desert to be an astronaut. Yeah. And he had been in, you know, he been the Marine, so it wasn't a stranger to, to difficulty, but he went to the doctor and said, you know, I'm really fascinated by dehydration. How about, I don't drink any water for the first 24 hours

Leo Laporte (02:18:20):
Just to see what happened. Doctor

Rod Pyle (02:18:21):
Said, yeah said, are you crazy? He said, no, I just wanna see what, so he did that and almost killed himself. So that was a learning experience, but just how he was. And he was gonna major in chemistry originally. But as a kid got interested in flying and you know, it's a typical story of, he got involved with the local flight club while he was in college and so on and just couldn't get out of his blood so nice there

Leo Laporte (02:18:45):
He was nice. Yeah.

Rod Pyle (02:18:46):
What, what a, what a,

Leo Laporte (02:18:47):
How long was that first? You said how many orbits? Three orbits,

Rod Pyle (02:18:50):
Three orbits, about five hours.

Leo Laporte (02:18:52):
That's all which,

Rod Pyle (02:18:53):
Which is short. But if you've ever looked at a, a mercury capsule, that's a long five hours.

Leo Laporte (02:18:58):
They're very, I have, they have one at the oar hazy center. Don't they hazy. Yeah. Yeah. At this part of

Rod Pyle (02:19:06):
Knee are under the console and it's tiny, the actual instrument panels, maybe, I don't know, 18 inches from your face. It's

Leo Laporte (02:19:11):
If you get a chance,

Rod Pyle (02:19:12):
Tiny window to

Leo Laporte (02:19:12):
Go out to DC and you get to go by the way that wood hazy is amazing. But look at it. It is mind boggling cuz I, I remember seeing it and thinking that's how big it is. It's no wonder. They said we don't wanna be spaming a, can they, they were, yeah. They, but they at least got to fly a little bit and that's 

Rod Pyle (02:19:32):
And the first two flights didn't have a window. Could you imagine? Wow.

Leo Laporte (02:19:37):
Wow.

Rod Pyle (02:19:37):
I mean, I get claustrophobia anyway, but can you, they had a little Periscope you could peer through, but could you imagine being closed in that thing for hours and hours and hours? No window

Leo Laporte (02:19:50):
Truly, truly amazing. One of the great 60 year and it's hard to believe it was really wasn't that long ago. It was only 60 years ago. The first American to orbit the planet and and a great man to, to boot John Glen and, and

Rod Pyle (02:20:08):
The first American in, in space in longer weightlessness, more than 15 minutes at a time when we were still afraid that, you know, human beings, that they might suffer separation anxiety from earth and go insane at orbit or they wouldn't be able to swallow or their hearts would start, stop beating. I mean, we were terrified. So it was, we didn't

Leo Laporte (02:20:28):
Know. We just, we just didn't really know. Yeah. Thank you. For that commemoration, it was great. Rod P

Rod Pyle (02:20:33):
Thank you so much. Leo Laport,

Leo Laporte (02:20:35):
The Tech Guy. So the friendship sevens at the national Aaron space museum. I correct. Stands corrected. I thought it was at the UDAR hazy that's

Rod Pyle (02:20:46):
But I thought they had another mercury capsule at the UDAR hazy.

Leo Laporte (02:20:48):
Oh, they do wait a minute. They do. No, it is at the UDAR hazy. Somebody's corrected me. Yeah, it is. Okay. it's a Boeing aviation hanger at the UDAR hazy center Chan and that's the one he was in friendship seven. Yeah. Oh, wait a minute. Sorry. Now I'm confused cuz now it says it has been exhibited in buildings on the national mall ever since. So I'm this is

Rod Pyle (02:21:17):
I'm well, they may have moved it around a bit. I maybe they

Leo Laporte (02:21:20):
Have, yeah.

Rod Pyle (02:21:20):
I know GRS capsule is at the

Leo Laporte (02:21:23):
It says now it's it's now at the UAR hazy, but this is, and I

Rod Pyle (02:21:27):
Actually, I haven't actually been out there yet. I'm going to DC. You

Leo Laporte (02:21:30):
Haven't seen it.

Rod Pyle (02:21:32):
I I've seen other ones, but I haven't been to the, We did a

Leo Laporte (02:21:35):
Did from, we did a tech TV. Did a show from there. Oh really? Oh my God. It's it's they've got a, you know, a black Hawk in there. They've got, yeah. You know, I mean, they've got a Boeing airliner in there. It's huge.

Rod Pyle (02:21:49):
Got an Sr 71. They've got, I think, oh, that's where you Ole gay is too,

Leo Laporte (02:21:53):
Right? Yes, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. And it's all endorsed. It's these big, these big hangers cuz it's out by the airport.

Rod Pyle (02:22:01):
Yeah, really. And I've been to national aid space museum a few times with the last two times I was there. I did a talk out there about two years ago and two thirds of us closed cuz they're remodeling. They've been remodeling forever. So you go in there and I remember it being large and I'm in this one room looking around thinking this isn't this music. Oh I see the rest

Leo Laporte (02:22:19):
Of us closed off.

Rod Pyle (02:22:20):
Yeah. And it still will be, I guess when I'm there in may, but oh, well

Leo Laporte (02:22:25):
There are, there's a, the UDAR hazy website has some very good pictures of the friendship seven. So you get a sense of yeah. How historic, just unbelievable. Unbelievable.

Rod Pyle (02:22:36):
Well, and, and you know, supposedly the selection of the astronauts, a deep slate and always maintained us just a rotation and there's no favoritism and all that, but you had to know no, You know, Glen, I mean it's funny cuz Glen was kind of the underdog in that first group of seven only because he was so puritanical and did tend to shake his finger and people's noses a bit. But what a perfect choice. I mean, shepherd was the perfect choice with the first flight and Glen was the perfect choice.

Leo Laporte (02:23:06):
Respect for all of them. I'm yeah,

Rod Pyle (02:23:08):
Absolutely.

Leo Laporte (02:23:09):
I just these guys had the right stuff. They really

Rod Pyle (02:23:14):
Did look at that thing 3000 pounds. Incredible anything.

Leo Laporte (02:23:17):
Yeah. This is smaller than a humer battery and yeah,

Rod Pyle (02:23:23):
I

Leo Laporte (02:23:23):
Think you're right. You know, I know.

Rod Pyle (02:23:25):
And pretty, yeah. Pretty brilliant.

Leo Laporte (02:23:26):
Look at it. That's an antenna, all

Rod Pyle (02:23:28):
Those hand braised welds and

Leo Laporte (02:23:29):
Everything. Yeah. This is the UHF rescue antenna. Yeah. Oh my God. Look at that.

Rod Pyle (02:23:38):
It's just, and, and the thing is it all worked, you know, there are problems here and there, but especially in these early flights of mercury and Gemini, everything

Leo Laporte (02:23:46):
Thing

Rod Pyle (02:23:46):
Worked. Yeah. And we had no idea what we were doing.

Leo Laporte (02:23:48):
It's incredible. Yeah. It was, I think, far riskier than we really knew at the time, you know?

Rod Pyle (02:23:55):
Yeah. They were a little short on facts. Yeah. On the public relations side sometimes.

Leo Laporte (02:24:00):
Yeah. Really cool.

Rod Pyle (02:24:01):
Look at that. Look at wiring. All those analog gauges. The electromechanical age, Leo.

Leo Laporte (02:24:06):
Oh my God.

Rod Pyle (02:24:10):
Can't we do this for another 40 minutes. Oh I

Leo Laporte (02:24:12):
Could easily. Thank you rod. I really appreciate it. Nice. Take care. Yeah. Go out to go out to the UAR hazy and the, I will it's out by Dallas. It's mind blowing. Just incredible. Now be an Arnold out there. I'll make a trip. I tired. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic. All right, sir. Take care. Yeah. Yeah. Like, well, Shackleton's pretty amazing. Yeah. I'm not gonna deny that. Leo Laportert the Tech Guy. Thank you for letting me be your Tech Guy today. Thank, thanks to professor Laura, our musical director. Great job again, Laura, as always you missed you missed one cue. We could have played the Eagles Winslow, Arizona. Just a, just one little cue you missed, but that's okay. That's okay. We can do it next week. Thanks to Kim sheer, our phone angel for answering the phones. Thanks. Most of all, of course, to those of you who listen to the show, I really appreciate it. And everybody who calls if it weren't for you, I'd be working at a target. I think, I don't know. I don't know what I'd be doing. I don't. Liz is on the line from San Jose, California. Hi Liz.

Caller #10 (02:25:24):
Hi. my QuickBooks runs really slow and I've called QuickBooks several times to troubleshoot and they recommended cleaning cookies out, which we did. And I do my own bookkeeping and then I have an accountant, but I do the real basics stuff. Yeah. So in other words, when so I started using incognito, which they recommended. So apparently they get a lot of calls about this because they're recommending that the users log in using incognito.

Leo Laporte (02:25:56):
That's weird. That's really strange. So is this QuickBooks online? Obviously?

Caller #10 (02:26:02):
Yes. It, it looks online

Leo Laporte (02:26:04):
And so your computer itself is not slow. It runs fine.

Caller #10 (02:26:08):
It runs fine. I'm I'm a block from the fiber optic hub in downtown Santa

Leo Laporte (02:26:13):
Fe. Oh, so you're on fiber. You're on a very high speed connection.

Caller #10 (02:26:17):
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And then I had my tech person come in and check, you know, do the cookie clean out. He installed some kind of a cookie cleaner on my web, on my computer.

Leo Laporte (02:26:29):
I have no idea why QuickBooks once a week thinks this is I relevant issue cookies should not affect the speed of your browser. Maybe they have a problem of some kind that I don't know about. It's too bad. I don't know if you heard, but we had a guy from QuickBooks customer service call. And if he's still listening, but I don't know why quick cookies would have anything to do with this. Do do any other sites run slow?

Caller #10 (02:26:53):
I mean I, no,

Leo Laporte (02:26:54):
No. Everything's snappy and you're using Chrome.

Caller #10 (02:26:58):
Yes, yes, absolutely. I'm using Chrome and then logging in now with, within cogni, like they said now once I even let one of their agents take access of my computer and she went in and checked all the cookies and it was all, she seemed to think it was cookies,

Leo Laporte (02:27:16):
Have nothing to do with speed unless they know something. I don't know. I don't understand why they're so obsessed with this cookies are just small bits of data stored on your computer. Things like what page you're on or what your, what your password is and all that. Now I am I, I mean, obviously they know something, I don't know, try clearing, not the cookies, but the cash.

Caller #10 (02:27:46):
I think we, she did both when she had logged into my computer, we did both.

Leo Laporte (02:27:51):
So another thing then would be to completely uninstall Chrome. This is gonna be a little bit of a pain, cuz you're gonna have to reinstall the extensions and so forth. You have to re-log in, but I, the, the idea cookies should not have, have anything to do with it. Cash very well. Could cash is a portion of the hard drive, put aside to save time by pre-loading images and things like that. And a corrupted cash could absolutely slow down any website. So that might also be part of the problem. And I'm glad she cleared it, but if clearing the cookies and the cat, it's weird that they say going in Cognito mode, I have never heard any website. Oh yeah. Say that.

Caller #10 (02:28:32):
No, I, I just called the other day and they told me again to only log in within Cognito and, and you know, so if I'm,

Leo Laporte (02:28:40):
So this is something probably wrong with their software. Cause probably cause that doesn't make any sense. There's no website should rely on, should have be impacted by cookies one way or the other. I think you might try using Edge instead. They will work with other browsers. You are in Windows. I presume.

Caller #10 (02:29:03):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:29:05):
Yes. Edge is Microsoft browser and that's basically based, based on Chrome. So it has the same capabilities and I would try you know, they, I know QuickBooks recommends Chrome, but I would try Edge Edge is a very nice browser on windows. My Microsoft's really put some effort into making it fast. So I would, I would try Edge. They recommend, I know they recommend Chrome for QBO. My wife uses Chrome for QBO, but it, but it will work with Edge and Edge before. One thing, none of those cookies from Chrome go over to Edge. So the very, okay, very quick way just to see if Chrome is the problem or cookies is a problem or, or cash is a promise to use Edge. Cause none of those cookies will be there.

Caller #10 (02:29:54):
I've used Firefox and I have used other browsers and the same thing happens. What, so I have to log out during a QuickBook session. I probably am on QuickBooks about an hour a day. I have to probably log out 10 times and log back in to, to get into some

Leo Laporte (02:30:11):
Of those. It just sounds like QuickBook, which terrible software that just sounds like terrible, terrible, terrible software. They in fact do recommend, I can see that you use incognito, which to me makes no sense whatsoever.

Caller #10 (02:30:27):
Nd it doesn't work the worst part and it doesn't solve it. Isn't any better

Leo Laporte (02:30:38):
Try Edge, maybe he'll call back,

Leo Laporte (02:30:40):
Try Edge and maybe he'll call back. Yeah. yeah. You know, this, I hope this doesn't become the show where you call getting QuickBooks support instead of calling QuickBooks. But I can kinda understand how frustrating, I mean your whole business is run. Our whole business is run on QuickBooks. You, this is not something, you know, this is not, you know, I can't read the New York times. This is, this is important. I'm baffled that they requiring I Agni mode. I don't understand that. Try Edge. If anything, Edge is gonna work better, it'll be a completely fresh version of the cookies, a completely fresh see I feel anything, anything is slow is really there on their side. In my opinion, that's really, what's slow. Their software is slow. It's not responsive. In fact it says QuickBooks should online should load in 10 seconds. I have to tell you most, if a website takes 10 seconds, hello, I'm gone. I'm gone so quick. Intuit needs to work on that. That's that's a problem on their side. I think Tom Avada, Colorado last call of the day. Hi Tom.

Caller #11 (02:31:51):
Hi Leo. Thanks for taking my call. Thanks

Leo Laporte (02:31:53):
For calling. So

Caller #11 (02:31:55):
Sure. I'll tell you, this is not so much online banking as how best to receive my bills. I've 

Leo Laporte (02:32:05):
Yeah. Who wants to get paper bills anymore? Right.

Caller #11 (02:32:08):
Well, I, you know, I do because I'm, I'm kind of I'm afraid I'll lose it in my normal email that will get, you know, barriers and I'll do two delete delete. And

Leo Laporte (02:32:21):
For years I use and I they're still around, although I don't know if I'd recommend 'em anymore. I used a company called pay trust and pay trust.com. And I would have all my bills sent to them in Sioux city, South Dakota. And they would have, I believe it was my understanding. They would have federal prisoners enter the data. I think now they probably scan it, but it's electronic. So the bills don't go to you, they go to, and they're stored. And so you have a digital copy of the bill and you can pay your bills. They'll pay 'em automatically, or you could set it up. I used it for years. I don't do it anymore because my companies now I have auto pay. I don't even, I, you know, if I had to pay bills, my lights would be out by now cuz I'm just yeah. Bad at that. So you could also get a scanner that would help, you know, if you got paper bills, scan them,

Caller #11 (02:33:17):
How about setting up a separate email account solely to receive my bill,

Leo Laporte (02:33:23):
Another way to do it another way to do it. That's a good idea. In fact, many email providers will let you create alias accounts. You can do it with Gmail. For instance, if you use the plus sign and you can have, have it filter automatically. So you can have, you know, Leo plus bills@laport.com and the plus sign is ignored. Anything after the plus sign is ignored, but it becomes like a unique account. So that's another ways. Look, talk to your email provider about creating an alias. You don't even have to have a whole new address. Actually what I do is I set up a bill with a company's name.com that saves a lot of time. Leo Laportert the Tech Guy. Yeah, I'm sorry. I kind of ran outta time, unfortunately, cuz I, I think this is an interesting topic. So you are currently receiving paper bills, is that right?

Caller #11 (02:34:18):
I am. And I've, I've just been very 

Leo Laporte (02:34:21):
Your reluctance is if you got 'em an email, you might miss them.

Caller #11 (02:34:25):
Exactly. And so I'm in the process of, I just thought, well, why don't I just set, set up, you know my name at, you know bill, me, Tom bill. Yeah. Yahoo.Com. Yeah. And then I get the photo when I get a Kohl's or target. I can move those 

Leo Laporte (02:34:44):
Great idea once they're

Caller #11 (02:34:46):
Into the folder. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:34:47):
That's a great idea.

Caller #11 (02:34:49):
Am I making this more complicated? Should I just say you guys go in and here's my routing number and everything. You just go out and take it. I'm afraid.

Leo Laporte (02:34:58):
That's what I do. Cause I, like I said, how many times have I just forgotten to pay a bill? It's not even that I didn't have the bill. It was in an inbox. I just never got around to paying it and then lights go off and I go, what the heck? So now I pretty well for one thing, my wife won't let me pay the bills anymore, but any bills I do have are automatic. They go, they, they, they automatically debit it and I don't have to think about it. And for the most part that has worked perfectly well for me,

Caller #11 (02:35:29):
Well between the two should, you know, cause the one, obviously I think it's kinda my trepidations of just letting him go into my bank account, but maybe that's not a big threat or

Leo Laporte (02:35:43):
I don't think it is. I mean, you know, I wouldn't do it with you know, hacker weekly.com, but you know, if you're going, you know, you're, you're electricity bill and all that stuff. They love it. If you set that up, of course. And for me, that's just, it saves me a lot of energy and time thinking about it. I like your idea though, having a unique account, having all your bills, go to that, then you have a record of everything.

Caller #11 (02:36:10):
Right?

Leo Laporte (02:36:10):
It's funny. It's been so long. Like I said, the last time I did this probably was 20 years ago and they would, they would send all my bills to South Dakota where the prisoners would enter in the data. That's how primitive it was. They didn't have a way to get, get it in automatically. What other ways would there be to do this? So everybody you deal with now sends email for bills.

Caller #11 (02:36:39):
No, I'm I, I have had paper bills. Yeah, forever. I'm I'm, that's

Leo Laporte (02:36:44):
The problem.

Caller #11 (02:36:45):
And I'm kinda very tech savvy, but I'm also very conservative in you know, my money holding on stuff. I wanna see how much it is before I pay it, rather than just

Leo Laporte (02:36:57):
So another, another way to do this would be go through your, so almost all banks. I know my bank of America and my S a, a account both will allow me to have bills sent to them and paid automatically by them. And so that would be maybe another way to do it. And they keep an image online, as I remember so I can click the image. It's there, it's stored in a separate place check with your bank. Most banks now do bill pay. And you know, if you're going through the bank, if there's, if there's an issue, you certainly can dispute it.

Caller #11 (02:37:28):
Sure, sure. Yeah. Well, and the other nice thing about setting up the individual email account, because I told my wife, I said, we both can get into this. If there's a cold bill, Kohl's bill, which she usually pays. I'll see if it's,

Leo Laporte (02:37:43):
That's a good idea. I like your idea. Yeah. Yeah. Total. I think that's a great idea. And it's free, you know, you Yahoo or Google, they all have, I would probably use Google, not Yahoo. I don't know what the status of Yahoo's gonna be going forward. They keep getting sold. But you, but use Gmail. You can use Yahoo if you like Yahoo. And it's easy to set up another account, easy to do.

Caller #11 (02:38:06):
Maybe I'll do that and give you a call. Let you,

Leo Laporte (02:38:08):
Yeah. Lemme know how it works. I'm the last person you should ask. I am not kidding. I'm terrible at this. Lisa said you're not paying of bills anymore. That's it? Fortunately, I'm married. I'm married a CPA, so I don't have to worry about it.

Caller #11 (02:38:25):
I'm not quite that lucky. I married a teacher. She's very sweet.

Leo Laporte (02:38:29):
Aw. Yeah, no try. I would I would create your bank. Lot of B of a was amazing with this and I would check the bank and can get probably 90% of your bills handled through the bank directly and they'll pay it directly.

Caller #11 (02:38:43):
That's

Leo Laporte (02:38:43):
A good way to go.

Caller #11 (02:38:46):
Well, thanks for the information.

Leo Laporte (02:38:47):
Hey, a pleasure talking to you, Tom. Thank you.

Caller #11 (02:38:50):
Yeah. Enjoy the rest of the weekend. You too.

Leo Laporte (02:38:52):
Take care. Well, that's it for the Tech Guy show for today. Thank you so much for being here year and don't forget. Twit T w I T. It stands for this week at tech and you'll find it@twit.tv, including the podcasts for this show. We talk about windows and windows weekly, Macintosh, a Mac break, weekly iPads, iPhones, apple watches on iOS, today's security and security. Now, I mean, I can go on and on and on. And of course the big show every Sunday afternoon, this week in tech, you'll find it all at twitt TV and I'll be back next week with another great Tech Guys show. Thanks for joining me. We'll see you next time.