The Tech Guy Episode 1863 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:01:29):
Well, Hey, Hey. Hey, how are you today? Leo LePort here. It's tech guy time in the USA and Canada and all over the place. Thanks to the internet. Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo is the phone. If you wanna talk high tech, we're doing it next three hours. So this is a good time to ask your questions, make your comments, make your suggestions. 8 8 8 8 2 7 5 5 3 6. Okay. Toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada, outside that area, you could still call, just use Skype out or something like that. 88 88, ask Leah website tech guy labs.com. I mentioned that, cuz we'll put links there to anything I mentioned. You won't have to write 'em down. They'll just be there. There's a transcript to the show a couple of days after the fact there's also audio and video a couple of days after the fact. So it should all be there.

Leo Laporte (00:02:24):
If you're looking at techguylabs.com, this is episode 1,863. Got a message from the boss this week saying, can you believe it's been 15 years? Wow. 15 years. And actually that's since syndication, I will was doing the tech guy on KFI in Los Angeles for three years before that. So 18 years <laugh> a child born. The day I started would be an adult today. <Laugh> anyway, that's pretty cool. I I never that's who, who I never thought I never expected. So thank you. I owe it all to, to you. And of course, to Robin BECI the program director at KFI who had the good sense, the priest spec Caity the vision to say you could be a tech guy. Okay. I'll do it also of course all the folks of the premier networks who are so great and so generous and so kind including my the boss, the big boss, Julie, thank you for being so Julie Albo is is kind of amazing down there in thank you for being so tolerant of this foreign language programming <laugh>, which is kinda what it is. Isn't it we'll try. I'll try to speak English instead of geek. I sometimes lapse into geek if I do. Okay. If you've been watching what's going on with Spotify. Wow.

Leo Laporte (00:04:01):
Wow. So this, our story begins Spotify, which is little was a little company outta Scandinavia. Nobody ever heard of for a long time. I remember when it kind of started from Sweden, they were started in 2006 by a guy named Daniel E eek. And they slowly, you know, took over the world. They are now the number one streaming music provider in the world. They have 33, I'm sorry, 3,380 1 million monthly active users and of those about half pay. So, you know, it's a good amount of, of money coming in there. All the kids love Spotify except Spotify a few years ago set aside half a billion dollars to get into podcasting. And they bought a few podcasting companies like Gimlet and one and wonder no wonders, Amazon Gimlet and they bought anchor and they they brought over, they hired up the top podcaster in the world, I guess Joe Rogan, no one knows exactly how much it's estimated about a hundred million.

Leo Laporte (00:05:15):
Put it in perspective. That's a only a quarter of what Howard stern got when he moved to satellite, but it's, you know, nothing to be sneezed at paid another 60 million for the host of call her daddy another very popular eye here podcast with the young people. And of course everybody wants the young people, right? So there's a problem with the Mr. Rogan. However, actually, you know, there could be a problem with a lot of these guys cuz podcasts are not regulated in any way, shape or form there's, you know, there there's no FCC rules for podcasting. It's the internet, there's no rules. So podcasts can do all sorts of things. And, and some of these podcasts in fact, Spotify says we've removed 20,000 of them, our little odd a little strange and particularly Joe Rogan this week 270 of physicians, epidemiologists and scientists wrote an open letter to Spotify saying, you gotta, you gotta do something about this.

Leo Laporte (00:06:13):
Joe Rogan, he's spreading conspiracy theories, not true stuff about COVID. And Spotify basically said, yeah, we're no, we're not gonna do anything. We're not gonna do anything. So along comes Neil young, who is, you know, I mean the Youngs don't probably know who Neil young is ironically, but my gen you know, he was much revered artist, singer, rocker, rock, rock, wrong in, in the free world. You know, I mean you know, people, he was very, he's made a lot of money. He said, all right, fine Spotify. If you're not gonna do anything about Joe Rogan spreading miss information on COVID, I don't wanna be on Spotify. I'm outta here. And so Spotify took all his music off. You can't listen to Neil young on Spotify. Spotify probably felt like, well, we're gonna call his bluff. Cuz who cares? He's you know, he's an old, old school guy, right? We don't who cares Jonie Mitchell, another old school gal. In fact, I think they used to date didn't they? Anyway, she also said, yeah, I I'll, I'm gonna do the same thing. Well maybe there is a consequence at the end of the day on Friday, the stock market punished Spotify. I bet you, this is temporary. You know how the stock market is. They get all, skitish losing 4% I'm sorry, 12% of its value on the stock market, 4 billion on the stock market.

Leo Laporte (00:07:49):
You, you might see on TWiTtter and other places like it makes any difference. Hashtag delete Spotify, hashtag cancel Spotify instructions. How to get, I think we've seen this before. Remember the hashtag delete Facebook didn't didn't harm Facebook. I think the fear maybe is it's not just Neil young or Joni Mitchell. Maybe others will follow suit. I don't know. I don't know. And actually I am, I've mixed feelings about the whole thing. Certainly it's it's Joe Rogan's right to say dumb things on podcasts. God knows. I do. I mean, it's, <laugh>, I don't say anything that dumb, but you know, he can say he can spout conspiracy theories. What is Spotify's responsibility if they didn't own him, if they hadn't paid a hundred million for the exclusive rights to his shows zero, right. Apples still has Joe Rogan shows on there, although to be fair, other podcast networks, iHeart, and apple, and others have pulled down podcasts where, you know, they were so, you know, controversial or problematic or racist or whatever, they've pulled them down.

Leo Laporte (00:08:55):
Very famously Alex Jones, you know, podcast is pulled pretty much everywhere, YouTube, apple. So I guess spot, I mean, Spotify could do something, but they've spent a lot of million, a lot of millions on Joe Rogan. So, and I, you know, I don't, I don't know, maybe put a warning on there. I have a very mixed feeling as a, as a podcaster, as a broadcaster. It's different on broadcast, you know, cuz we're regulated by the federal communications commission, rightly so because radio stations use public airwaves to broadcast. So we are licensed and you know, there's all sorts of requirements. Radio stations have to follow and <affirmative> you know, we have a public file. Every radio station does of the stuff we do for the community, et cetera, et cetera. And of course we can't say the seven bad words and you know, all that's, I think completely appropriate.

Leo Laporte (00:09:45):
We're using the public airwaves and that's, you know, that's part of the deal, but the internet is not the Internet's just the internet, no regulations at all. In fact, one might say the government can't regulate the internet because of the first amendment they can reg see like regulating highways. You can regulate highways cuz you built them <laugh> and you know people have a, it's a privilege, not a right to, to drive privilege, not a right to use for the radio station to use the airwaves. So you can regulate that, but not, not the internet cuz of the first amendment. So it's up to the companies to decide what to do government can't say right now, anyway, can't say to a and I don't, I think this is right. I don't, I think it's important. We preserve the first amendment. Can't say to a company like Spotify, you gotta stop that. Knock it off. No, they can't do it protected. So I don't know. I just don't know. Spotify said it has removed 20,000 podcast episodes related to COVID 19 since the start of the pandemic. That's a lot, but we, you know, and we, and when we first got Joe Rogan on, on our, on our podcasts we did pull down some stuff. We pulled 'em off of YouTube and we pulled down. I think it was 40 shows that we don't, we don't, you know, we don't distribute says Spotify cuz of the content

Leo Laporte (00:11:14):
Rogan has 11 million users in episode now to fair Neil young apparently has 6 million listeners a month user, individual listeners. So it's, you know, it's not, it's actually not, not an uneven fight. I don't know what, I don't know what to think. I do not know what to think. Maybe put a little thing on it saying, you know, and Joe, you should do this. I'm talking to Joe. Like he listens Joe, my buddy, Joe never met the man. You should do this. You should just put his claim. I'm not a doctor. I'm a comedian. What you hear on this show is comedy. If you want medical advice, go somewhere else. Say that. Of course he sells vitamins. He sells lots. This stuff. He, the, the controversial podcast was one he had on new year's Eve this year where he had a doctor on who says, who claims a to have part, part inventor of RNA vaccines.

Leo Laporte (00:12:09):
I hear, I haven't listened to this, Joe. So this is, this is hearsay. He invented them, which he, I apparently did not. I don't know. And then B that they're no good. And we're being hypnotized. <Laugh> into taking them. It's all hypnosis. That's what kid rock says too. Kid rock is still on Spotify. My dad, I don't know. I don't know just many battles going raging now on the internet north Korea's internet was taken down by this is, there were two cyber attacks this week for political reasons, which I find fascinating north Korea's internet brought down shortly after they launched a missile by, was it a government or was it, I don't know, suspected cyber attacks just for a few hours. And then ransomware hackers took credit for bringing down the Belu Bellus train system because the Russians were using it to transport military gear to the front in Ukraine. And so they, they ransom where the train system in be Russo, shut it down. This is interesting hacktivism. I don't know what to think of that either 88, 88 ask Leo. But that's why you're here. You, you can tell me what to think. 88 8 8 2 7 5 5 3 6. Or I'll help you with your printer. I can do that too. Leo Laport, the tech guy. We're gonna go to the phones next. Scott, Wilkinson home theater guru coming up.

Leo Laporte (00:13:52):
I don't believe they ever said that vaccines would prevent it from being spread, but maybe they did. Obviously we are learning all the time and we know no, that's not true. I'm still checking my PCR results, looking, searching. They said by noon, no tech, you know, this mini story has gotten worse and worse. So they towed it finally. But we bought it in Marin at mini Marin and apparently they have no idea what's wrong. So they sent it to many of San or no BMW of San Francisco. I I guess because the mini is basically BMW I three with a mini body on it. Anyway, they never, they didn't even look at it like BMW people got it. They don't care. They're just, they, we didn't even buy it from them. So they just put it in the back lot and let it sit there. Finally, they looked at it, I think on Friday and said, well, we, we we ordered a part. It might be a while. <Laugh> like probably be three to six weeks.

Leo Laporte (00:15:00):
So it's just sit. It's sitting in San Francisco. Unbelievable Lisa doesn't. She says, I'm, I'm, I'm selling it. I don't want this thing anymore. You know, but I have to say every, everything breaks in the world, right? I mean, it's not unusual for things to break. It's how the company responds when they break. And this has not been a good, not been a great experience. So it's not a lemon law yet. Right. Lemon law, you have to, has to keep breaking and blah, blah, blah. Although I get, guess it might qualify if they, if it's months that you can't get the use the car because they can't fix it. I guess that would be a lemon law. She might have to invoke that. Well, don't listen to Rachel Maddow for your medical advice. It is, it was the case in Delta. I think that, that it did, we did think that, or they did think that it it would make you less likely to spread it because you wouldn't get it. And again it's a novel virus. We're are learning about it as we go. I think it's, I don't think it's correct to say that the vaccine doesn't work and I, and I really think it's, it's inappropriate to say don't, don't get it

Leo Laporte (00:16:32):
Way. Webb book supposed to arrive February 15th.

Leo Laporte (00:16:40):
I know. I think listen to your doctor. That that's good advice or doctor, mom <laugh> I just wanna say as a married man, I have never looked at your eyes and I have no idea. You overt your eyes. I overt my eyes <laugh> but apparently professor Laura thinks you've got them and there she is. Lazy gentlemen. She like green eyes, I guess. Do you have green eyes? That's greenish blues. A that's good. It depends on what's color wearing it adapts. I'm like a, does it really? You're like your chameleon. Irish is wow. I just have mud brown eyes. I got nothing. I got nothing. I, in case you have, you've never looked in my eyes either. I never looked at your not I can't. Yes. I look into your eyes all the time. We are, we, we have an appropriate relationship here in the workplace and I mean, we're not even in the same room.

Leo Laporte (00:17:29):
We're not even in the same ladies and gentlemen. We're not even, I get so nervous. I, I don't know why I do, but professor Laura, you, this, this climate, it's the climate. It's the climate. Speaking of climate change. <Laugh> so I am here. I am not, I did not get COVID 19, even though our son did. I'm glad I had a test tested three times now waiting for the last PCR test, which is the most sensitive. And if, if that's clear, I'm gonna come breathe on you. Oh no, I won't. I won't do that. I could use a vacation. <Laugh> yeah. So who should I talk to? Let's go to Tommy. He spies something on your desk and he wants to know what it is. How could he, Tommy? Does he have a camera in my office? You do? You've got many of them. What? You've got many. What? Thank you, Kim. Hi, Tommy from Macon, Missouri. Hello, Tommy.

Caller #1 (00:18:21):
Hi. How are you? Thank you for being well, and thank you for being on 18 years of. Can you believe that? Yeah. That's old folks. We all gotta watch each other's back. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:18:33):
It creeps up on you. Doesn't it. Tommy, you can vouch for that.

Caller #1 (00:18:37):
And I have one more good.

Leo Laporte (00:18:38):
One day your at your high school prom, the next day, they're giving you a gold watch.

Caller #1 (00:18:43):
Yeah, I've done that. Done that a long time ago. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:18:48):
What would you like to know about my desk?

Caller #1 (00:18:51):
That device that you have your phone setting on? Is that a fast charger?

Leo Laporte (00:18:56):
It's a regular old everyday charger. But I like it a lot. My favorite it's a wireless charger. You did identify that correctly. My favorite kinds of ch wireless chargers are ease stands because you know, if it's just a, a, a, a slab or a puck or a thing, you gotta get it just right. And it can easily be knocked off an ease stand has. Yeah. You know, it's, it's, you know, it's charging, but also it, you, you can look at your phone. It's like, it's an ease. So this is a, I've had this for a long time. This is, this is called the, the tilt, I think T Y L T wireless charger. And they're not expensive. I bought a bunch of them when they had a deal on Amazon, I think. And I'm, I'm sure they stills sell 'em.

Leo Laporte (00:19:43):
I just, you know, charging mats were just kinda not so great. Now, the problem with Chi charging, that's what this is wireless Chi and most phones that are wireless will do G charging is it is slow. So you ask about the fast charger. It's like the old five wat you know, little wall wars that you plugged into. It's slow. Yeah. Yeah. They do make faster chargers. Usually you have to get it from the company that made the phone because the standard for fast wireless charging is it's not as well. Understood. I guess. I don't know, but Apple's wireless chargers are faster. I think they're closer to 33 Watts. Samsung makes. And what kind of phone do you have?

Caller #1 (00:20:23):
I just got an apple. Apple 13. Yeah, my first, first cell phone.

Leo Laporte (00:20:29):
Nice congratulate. How do you like it?

Caller #1 (00:20:31):
I, you loving it.

Leo Laporte (00:20:33):
This tilt charger works just fine with an iPhone 13. It just isn't the fastest ever. But I have to say about fast charging. That's hard on batteries. And most of the time people like you and me, we charge all night. Right? You put, you go to bed, you put it on the charger and you leave it, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, so fast, you don't need fast. So these are fine for overnight charging. In fact, my phone, if it, if I come in here with 50%, by the end of the radio show, it's fully charged. So that's fast enough for me. I don't want anything faster, but if you want something for faster, apple does make, I don't actually Apple's chargers are more expensive. And I don't think it's functional, but this one is from tilt T Y lt.com and they make all kinds of cuckoo chargers.

Leo Laporte (00:21:20):
I don't know if they still make the, the easel stand, but they make all kinds of cuckoo chargers. They have one that looks like a bowl. <Laugh> I dunno, I guess, for your, your living room here, charge on my bowl. Oh, you can put your keys and stuff in it. And then, and the phone on top of it, it's called the bull wireless charging pad. Not recommended in my opinion, I would. And, and you know, this one says 10 wat fast wireless, which certainly is better than five wa it, but I think you can get fast wireless up to 30 Watts. That's what I think.

Caller #1 (00:21:52):
Oh, cool. And I have one more comment to you. Go, yes, sir. Go, go. Your 49ers. Oh, we are

Leo Laporte (00:21:59):
All, I forgot to wear my gold jacket, but we are all excited about tomorrow. 

Caller #1 (00:22:05):
You're gonna play out. You're gonna play us in the super bowl. So who

Leo Laporte (00:22:08):
Is us?

Caller #1 (00:22:09):
Patrick Mahomes. All

Leo Laporte (00:22:11):
Right. You're a KC fan. Yes, sir. Oh, that is, you know what? I'm terrified of the chiefs. We probably will play 'em if we win and they'll kill us. <Laugh> Leo Laport. The tech guy, Scott Wilkinson coming up. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. KC looks so good, man. They really look good. Holy

Caller #1 (00:22:29):
Cow. Well, I was originally, I was originally a Rams fan cause I was originally born in Los

Leo Laporte (00:22:34):
Angeles. Oh, nice. Well, we just Rams are our, I guess, natural hereditary enemy. Yeah. And we've been kind of beating 'em up on them this year, but you know what? Staffers good. I'm not. The Rams are favored. I, I can't believe we got this far, to be honest with you. I thought I thought Aaron Rogers Acus.

Caller #1 (00:22:55):
So the Rams took out Brady and I was happy about

Leo Laporte (00:22:58):
That. Yes. I am happy about that too. It's time for a change maybe. Yeah. Maybe we can take out Mahomes. That would be wow.

Caller #1 (00:23:07):
Maybe go down to the last 13th when I fell asleep last. Oh no, you missed it.

Leo Laporte (00:23:12):
Oh, you missed it. You can't go to sleep in these games. So many of them think four of 'em were won by field goals. In last seconds. I know.

Caller #1 (00:23:20):
Incredible. The announcers were going well, it's all over <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:23:24):
Oh, I love it. When they do that and it's not, Hey, a pleasure talking to you, Tommy. Thank you for asking

Caller #1 (00:23:30):
I, and I'm a discord member too,

Leo Laporte (00:23:32):
So. Oh, good. I'll see you in the discord. In fact, the discord they've put a link to the Amazon to this tilt charger. That's still on Amazon. Oh, great. Yeah.

Caller #1 (00:23:41):
I'll I'll look forward in Amazon. Hey, a pleasure meeting

Leo Laporte (00:23:44):
You. Thank you. And I'm glad you're well, oh yeah. I am. Thank goodness. Knock on wood. Yeah. Well, I we've done it for two years now.

Caller #1 (00:23:52):
Yeah. Survived for two whole years holy moly I'm at that age where they, you got me right in. Had both my shots

Leo Laporte (00:24:02):
And the boosters. Good man. Yeah. And you haven't gotten sick?

Caller #1 (00:24:05):
No, I

Leo Laporte (00:24:06):
Don't go anywhere. Yeah. That's my secret. Stay away from people <laugh> stay home. Well, I had to go to the grocery store shopping. Yeah. There's some, yeah. You could still get it. There's some places. I mean, but, but it was amazing, you know, masking, washing all the things that we know they do work. Our son was in the house with us, you know, and we just ice lay to them and fed him through the door and all that. And did they have it very bad? No, it was like a really bad cold headache. Oh, that's good. Sore throat. Very stuffed up. But that's it just a bad cold he's he's also boosted just before two weeks before he got it. So, you know. Oh, that's good. He had maximum protection. Yeah. Thank goodness. Well, you stay safe and it's great to hear, hear from you. I'll see you in the discord.

Caller #1 (00:24:48):
Yes. I'm TDD,

Leo Laporte (00:24:50):
TDD test driven design. All right. Yes. <Laugh> take care. Tommy. Where's Scott. There's Scott. Hello, Scott. Hello, Leo. How, how are you? My friend. Very good.

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:02):
Good. Thank you. I sent you a photo by to celebrate the 18th anniversary of being you're being on the air

Leo Laporte (00:25:10):
With. Can you believe that? When did you, you were with me on the very first shows. Weren't you

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:15):
Like one of the very first

Leo Laporte (00:25:17):
Yeah. At CES. And that was 18 years ago. And, and

Scott Wilkinson (00:25:20):
That photo is from that.

Leo Laporte (00:25:22):
Oh, I got a lemme go to my email. That's awesome. That's awesome. He's on a hip trip. He's Scott Wilkinson our home theater geek joins us every week. Being hip, being a hipster to talk about big screen TVs, surround sound, all that stuff. Hi Scott. Hey Leo, how you doing? I'm great. You sent me a picture. I did. I was I don't like to do this. I was, but I got an email from the boss Juliet, who said, can you believe it's been 15 years? You've been on the premier networks. And I said, yeah, it's amazing. And then I realized I, I, I was on local radio for three years before that on KFI in Los Angeles. So it's really been 18 years. And, and behold who was on the very, very first or may I think it was the second or third show.

Leo Laporte (00:26:13):
Second show. Yeah. Yeah. I was at CES in Las Vegas, walking the halls, this cat right here, man shows up. <Laugh> says, Hey, I'm Scott Wilkinson. And I said, Hey, I'm desperate. Be on my show. And there we go. There we are. And you could tell it's the olden days. It 18 years ago. Cause one thing my hair's brown a little bit. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and another thing behind us is an old analog device that we used to used to get back to the radio show called a a Zeer cuz it floated. And then the best thing though is I had a paper. Daytimer a

Scott Wilkinson (00:26:53):
Paper. Daytimer

Leo Laporte (00:26:54):
Look at that and look at the phone on it. The old NOIA phone with some sort of weird, this show predates the eye phone. That's how long you've been doing it. Oh yeah. So it's great to thank you for sending me that picture. Wow. That is sure. That is fantastic. Yeah. That's so those were the days. Those indeed were you were a redhead.

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:15):
I was <laugh> yes. I was.

Leo Laporte (00:27:19):
Well that's you know, that's how long ago? 18 years ago. So hello. Hello. What do you wanna talk about today?

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:28):
Well, what I wanna talk about today is the Olympics in 4k.

Leo Laporte (00:27:31):
Oh, it's coming, boy,

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:33):
It's coming. The opening ceremonies are next week.

Leo Laporte (00:27:36):
You know, it makes me breaks my heart cuz these super bowl will not be in 4k. NBC says we're not gonna do that. I don't know why, but

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:45):
I don't know why either, because it's, NBCs the Olympics, the Olympics as well. And they're doing tons

Leo Laporte (00:27:50):
In now. How do we watch in 4k though? Because broadcast is not 4k. No,

Scott Wilkinson (00:27:54):
That's correct. You have, it's mostly it's streaming or certain cable providers are doing it as well. I have to tell you, I found in my research for today, I found a really great website that has a lot of information about this called the streamable.com the

Leo Laporte (00:28:14):
Streamable. And of course the streamable. What more would you wanna stream than the Olympics today? Anyway,

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:20):
Well, most of the, most of the articles about for the Olympics in Fort K are just basically a press release from NBC. But these guys went into some serious

Leo Laporte (00:28:30):
Details. Oh boy. And they cover a lot of stuff. How to watch WW E Australian men's open how to stream NHL games, how to stream NBA games. Yep. So they tell you the dates about getting the Olympics in 4k right

Scott Wilkinson (00:28:47):
Now, if you scroll down a bit from their homepage, you see a, a, a matrix basically of all the markets in the us. Wow. Albuquerque, Atlanta, Austin, so on and all the different sources of 4k. Okay. And the primary ones, our Comcast Xfinity and YouTube

Leo Laporte (00:29:08):
TV. Oh, so now isn't it gonna be on peacock as well? Cause it's NBC. No,

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:14):
It's not gonna be in 4k on peacock.

Leo Laporte (00:29:17):
Well, that's a streaming service. Why? I, I

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:20):
Know, I know. I can't believe that. And I learned that on this article from the streamable. Okay. If, if you have Comcast infinity, which <laugh> believe it or not, I will have in Santa Cruz, but I'm arriving there the day after the Olympics close <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:29:37):
Oh, wow.

Scott Wilkinson (00:29:40):
But it's available in most markets on that have Comcast Xfinity, not

Leo Laporte (00:29:44):
All it's because peacock is, is at least streaming in real time, you know, like yeah. At the, at the actually live, but they're not streaming in 4k HDR. Correct. So the HDR coverage will be Cal Comcast Ts, which is Optum online, Verizon, which is only new, only in New York. Yeah. FUO and YouTube TV. Now I subscribe to YouTube TV. In fact, I pay 20 bucks extra mm-hmm <affirmative> 20 bucks, extra for 4k streaming, which is not so, but

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:17):
You'll be able to see the Olympics in 4k and a lot of it they're doing a lot of it this year. Well that's goodness. It's the, it's the very first winter Olympics in 4k HDR. And we have to make sure that we emphasize that it's Al not only 4k resolution, but HDR high dynamic,

Leo Laporte (00:30:33):
Right. That snow is gonna be blinding

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:36):
Blindingly white <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:30:39):
I'll be fun. Great. When it comes to action, especially sports frame rates also important,

Scott Wilkinson (00:30:48):
Very important. I don't think I haven't read anything about they're doing it in high frame rates.

Leo Laporte (00:30:53):
It'll just be the standard. What is it? Standard 30 frames and broadcast is it's 30. Right. And in sometimes you can get 60 P progressive 60, it

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:06):
Would be better frames per second would be much better,

Leo Laporte (00:31:08):
Much better. You know, it'd be better than that. 120. Yeah. True. But nobody's, nobody's gonna do that. <Laugh> because the higher, the frame rate, the more data and so, and the high, the more bandwidth, more bandwidth it uses. Yeah. Correct.

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:21):
So I, if they were to do it in 60 and I, I don't know for sure if they, if they are, but if they were then all the sports stuff would look amazing. Yeah. Yeah. I I'm, I'm totally into high frame rate. I, I, you know, me

Leo Laporte (00:31:34):
Too, it's more to me it's even more important than 4k. Both is nice. Yeah. But if you can if you can get HDR, high frame rate 4k, well, they all go together. You can't get, they all go together. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:31:46):
They really do all go together. Yeah. Well you can, but you probably won't. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:31:51):
<Laugh> all of NBC's 4k cameras. All of them are in China. That's why they're not doing the super bowl in 4k. Cause they send 'em all to China. That's

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:02):
Right. Yeah. That's wow. I hadn't realized that, but that's, that's certainly true because the super bowl is during the Olympics, right?

Leo Laporte (00:32:11):
Yes. There's yes. Same time. So now another interesting thing, Comcast of course owns NBC. So they own the Olympics. But when you say they'll be streaming 4k at Comcast, you don't mean on your cable TV.

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:24):
Well, here's the interesting part. Comcast Xfinity cable TV is actually IP TV. It's delivered over the internet.

Leo Laporte (00:32:35):
What? Well now. Yeah. Okay. If you have one of those X one systems, it is correct. Correct? Correct. So that's the key, if you don't have Comcast's fancy Dan set top box, the X one, you won't C 4k.

Scott Wilkinson (00:32:52):
That's probably true. That's probably true. And I have to say, I'm gonna have the X one and, and I'm

Leo Laporte (00:32:56):
Yeah, I got rid of my X ones cuz they were awful. Oh really? Well, I don't like them. I like Tevo but I, but there's an example. I can watch the Olympics on Comcast on Tevo it will not be 4k. Correct. You have to watch in the X one and I'm thinking you have to stream, you can't turn to the NBC channel in your area and see it as 4k.

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:18):
Well, you know, that's a very interesting question. I don't know the answer to

Leo Laporte (00:33:21):
That. That's how it was in previous Olympics. I have. And by the way, in the old days it didn't stream all that. Well <laugh> I think we've, I think we've solved that it's probably much better. I mean we're talking, I don't know, eight years ago, but oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think it's probably better. And I had high, I had a lot of bandwidth, but Xfinity couldn't keep up with it. I think cuz a lot of people were trying to watch, right?

Scott Wilkinson (00:33:46):
Yeah. Yeah. Well that's true. So

Leo Laporte (00:33:49):
You need, if you, if you have an X one box, I believe this is the case, correct me. Anybody knows better, but if you have an X one box, there will be a, a, an Olympics cha stream channel on it and that's you watch streaming channel on. Okay. Don't go to your NBC channel and expect to see that in 4k, that TV.

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:05):
Well, that's a very good, that's a really good point. I hadn't thought of that. I'll I'll have to look into that, but

Leo Laporte (00:34:10):
I'm gonna watch on YouTube TV. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:34:12):
Youtube TV. That's really, I think the

Leo Laporte (00:34:14):
Best way to do it cost as much as a cable subscription, actually $85 when you get the 4k option, but then you, I, and I don't know. Will I go to the Chan to the NBC channel? Probably not. I'll probably have to. I don't know how it's gonna work. It's still a mystery. <Laugh> it's still a mystery Scott Wilkins and there's no mystery here every Saturday. And you can find him@techhive.com. Thank you, Scott. You bet soon to be in Santa Cruz. So xfinity.com has a website where they probably make this all as clear as mud mud. Let's look, let's look at, see. Yeah. Let's look. See. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here we go. 4K sports. Yes. Says X one, right? 4K sports available on Xfinity X, one live check her schedule and then some games which are all over there's some on college football, which is all over major league baseball. Definitely all over. Yeah. So you need the B cause I think

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:23):
This doesn't sound, you know, I hadn't thought of that, but you're right. You're

Leo Laporte (00:35:26):
Right. I'm pretty sure cuz they don't cause the,

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:29):
Yeah, they're not gonna the X one. I am. I did get the X one. So you know, and, and I was told that it was, you know, that the, the content, even the regular, what you would normally see as cable TV was delivered over IP. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:35:47):
I'm gonna run and get a cup of coffee. This is all you.

Scott Wilkinson (00:35:49):
Oh yeah. Thank you. Hello everyone. So nice to see you all. Let's see. Yeah. Mike B says all the 4k cameras <laugh> are over in China. So no 4k for the super bowl, which is fine with me personally, cuz I don't even know who's playing in the super bowl. I'll be watching the puppy bowl. PC guy, 80, 88. Nice name said I didn't watch the summer Olympics for the first time. Probably gonna skip the winter games. I, you know, I enjoy watching the Olympics at least some of 'em my wife and I really get into the figure skating. We enjoy watching that. I typically don't watch curling <laugh> although it's kind of interesting. It's so weird. It's just bizarre. And I kinda like bizarre. So let's see. What do they say is gonna be in 4k?

Scott Wilkinson (00:36:54):
They do say that peacock will offer fans the ability to livestream 2,800 plus hours. Although it's not gonna be in 4k so nuts to them. Let's see here. The, the, the streamable a article is just great. It just has air everything in it about this. Oh it doesn't say which events are gonna be in 4k. I'm sure. Figure skating will be let's see. No, I can't easily it, oh, here we go. Yeah, figure skating snowboarding. It's gonna be, it's gonna look really good. I might just have to, I don't have YouTube TV 4k. I might, I just might have to get it though. Let's see. Got a bunch of comments here. Haw, mania. I don't know if you've seen the new HBO series, the Giled age, but I was watching and I could be wrong, but the 4k makes it look quite fake.

Leo Laporte (00:38:16):
Yeah. Lisa, I, this problem on our LGS as well. It isn't a setting. It's just that we're

Scott Wilkinson (00:38:22):
Not used to 4k. You're not used to 4k. It looks,

Leo Laporte (00:38:25):
You can tell it doesn't look as real. It looks too

Scott Wilkinson (00:38:28):
Real. I mean, it doesn't look as too real. It's hyper real hyper real. Yeah. Do you do you remember when HD first came out and

Leo Laporte (00:38:35):
Newscasters were all upset? Yeah, because you could, you could see every wrinkle in their face and they had to change their makeup. Yeah. We now it's even worse. Well, yeah. You know, I think they gave up on the makeup change when I first started doing Regis saying that Kelly. Yeah. And they started oh, I didn't find it in time. I'll find for you for the winter Olympics. There's a new event that you'll like as a puppy bowl. Oh yeah. It's called, what is it? Kitty curling. And I'll tell you all about that. <Laugh> he's rocking in the Rogan free world. Leo LePort <laugh> he tech guy? 88. Can we play that? I guess we can. We're not spot Neil doesn't mind.

Leo Laporte (00:39:19):
I interviewed Neil di Neil diamond. I also interviewed him, but Neil young, I interviewed a few years ago because he was all excited about and still is. In fact that's one of the things he says. I don't mind being off Spotify. Music sounds terrible on it. Anyway, he's all about high resolution music, you know, higher bit rates. In fact, he had a whole Kickstarter thing, which I fell for and I bought the Pono player, which was a a competitor for the iPod that played high quality, high bit rate music. And he said, this is our music sounds to us, is the musicians. And this is what I want you to hear. So I have a, actually an autograph Pono player somewhere in my it's in my museum with a lot of other stuff. What came out in 2015.

Leo Laporte (00:40:14):
And I, you know, I, I, I like listening to high resolution music and there are some services that will do that. Apple now does it title does it. And I, you know, I, you know, I don't know if I can tell a difference at my age, but I like the idea and I understand what Neil was saying. He's, he's quite a character he wants to get perfect sound. He had giant speakers, their side of a lake <laugh> and then he took, I can't remember who it was. He rode somebody out, some rockstar out to the middle of the lake, and then he played this music real loud. <Laugh> Ponos still around, I think is a service. I think you can download music from Pono. He just doesn't like he doesn't like the low quality, highly compressed music of iTune store and Spotify and things like that. So I understand that 88 88 ask Leo, Leo, LePort the tech guy back to the phones. We go Eric on the line from Egan, Minnesota. Hey, Eric,

Caller #6 (00:41:18):
Leo, how are you talk to you? I am doing well. So some history here, I got my first iPhone in 2005 and then I started listening to you. Wow. And now you've been on the air a long time. Yes <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:41:38):
But, but we, neither of us a year older than we were in 2005 God, or at least we're better looking at <laugh>

Caller #6 (00:41:46):
Here's my situation. Yes. So I have a Lenovo yoga. That's eight years old and now I have it running fedora. Nice. Which is working beautifully. You

Leo Laporte (00:41:56):
Put Linux on it, the free operating system. That's a really excellent, I think alternative to windows. Yeah. Yeah.

Caller #6 (00:42:02):
And of all of the options I tried fedora worked the best. Good. Well, Buner just sucked it down. Yeah. Fedora is doing well. Yeah. But I need to buy a new computer and I don't wanna buy a new computer for another eight years. So <laugh>, I, I, I, I look at these Chromebooks and it's from 1.39 to a thousand dollars. Yeah. So I'm wondering if I shouldn't just buy a Mac.

Leo Laporte (00:42:33):
What happened to the Chromebooks? <Laugh> you took a left turn on that one. No, I looked at Chromebooks and now I'm wondering if I shouldn't buy a Mac. No.

Caller #6 (00:42:41):
Gonna spend a thousand dollars on a Chromebook. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:42:44):
Well, you don't need to spend that much. So okay. Where do I start? First of all Lenovos are a very good choice for a windows machine. If you think you're gonna put Linux on it, when it gets old are because Lenovos and Lennox go together very nicely. As you have already discovered I too have an a superannuated yoga not as old as yours. Mine's about six years old, I think. But yeah, they run, they run Linux beautifully and that's one nice thing, max do not. It's a lot harder to get Lennox working on a Mac on the other hand.

Caller #6 (00:43:12):
Well, you think I shouldn't run away from windows. Well, you

Leo Laporte (00:43:14):
Should run away from windows. That's interesting that the, your choices that you've described, the three choices, fedora Linux, a Chromebook and Mac are all based on the Unix operating system. Two Linuxes cuz Chromebooks are Linux and Mac is based on BSD free BSD. So they have as their heritage, something, I think that's superior to windows and has a long standing tradition of rock solid performance. Most that's why most servers run on a Unix like operating system, whether it's Lennox or Unix itself it's just, it's solid. So I think what you're detecting with your experience with fedora is maybe you wanna be in a more solid world. A Mac is a good choice. However, the, the negative about the Mac and to some degree, this is true of Chrome as well, is the lock in to a big company apple. And by the way, most successful company in America, in the world, probably in history, they had an amazing quarter. Again, they just put out their quarterly results. They're racking it up, rolling it in max are selling better than ever. But one of the ways they succeed is by making an ecosystem. That's kind of like, it's like a gated community that works best. If you're in the apple ecosystem, apple phone, apple, computer, apple, watch apple speakers, apple, everything, apple TV, then everything works nicely together. But it is really in my opinion, that kind of lock in is more for their benefit than yours.

Caller #6 (00:44:48):
It's so Chromebook. So

Leo Laporte (00:44:50):
Chrome look to some degree has the same problem cuz it's Google, but it is Linux. Really what it is, is the Chrome browser on top of a lockdown Linux operating system. But Chromebook, you can get Linux running on. You can also put Android apps on it. So it's not as locked down as it used to be. It's for people who don't want the complexity and the security problems inherent in the general purpose operating system like Linux, windows, or Mac in order to be general purpose, it means you can install on the app. It'll run anything, including malware. The Chromebook is intentionally designed to not run malware, to lock it out. But as a result, it's not as flexible. It is basically designed to do anything you would do in a browser. And that's it.

Caller #6 (00:45:33):
So maybe some more information. I mean, I'm on a computer all day. Like many people

Leo Laporte (00:45:37):
Are it really? It depends what you wanna do. What do you do with it?

Caller #6 (00:45:41):
What we need is like you said, living in the Chrome browser.

Leo Laporte (00:45:45):
If your email is in the browser, is your email in the browser. You like to use that.

Caller #6 (00:45:49):
It is. I mean I use outlook and I have a Gmail account as well, but I

Leo Laporte (00:45:55):
Mean everything, if you use outlook.com, you can use that just fine Gmail. Just fine. Yeah. If you don't, in other words, wanna use outlook, the standalone application, cuz that will not run in a

Caller #6 (00:46:05):
Chromebook, a Chromebook that's $140 in a Chromebook that's

Leo Laporte (00:46:11):
I would say you don't have to spend a, tha those are really ridiculous. But I think 500 bucks is about right. The sweet spot for Chromebook Chromebooks don't need as much memory as much storage as fast, a processor as these general purpose operating systems. So they can be less expensive. But what you don't wanna sacrifice, you know, to get 'em down to 150, to $200, you sacrifice on the keyboard, the track pad and the screw. I would look at an, I would look at an Acer sweet spot. Say again.

Caller #6 (00:46:39):
Oh, you were just giving it to me. I'm sorry. I would say

Leo Laporte (00:46:42):
The AER spin is a very good choice. They range around five to 600 bucks. They have aluminum bodies. They're very much like a real laptop, but they're more secure more. Yeah. If you live in a browser and you always want to use Chrome, you don't wanna use Firefox safari, some other browser, again, corporate lock in, but there's a lot to be said for Chromebook. I think most people who think they need windows or Mac really should be buying a Chromebook. It's so much more secure.

Caller #6 (00:47:14):
That's awesome. Yeah. Thank you, Leo.

Leo Laporte (00:47:15):
You're welcome. I, you know, I'm glad you asked cuz this is complex. If you were gonna do video editing or you were a photographer and you wanted to use Lightroom and Photoshop, I wouldn't recommend it. You need to have a more powerful, you know, general purpose computer. But if you, you live in the browser, absolutely get a Chromebook. It just so much less overhead. It's just a better way to go. I thank you for I'm glad you asked Eric. Yeah, no, I happen to have all of the above <laugh> I like 'em all, but that's kind of my job. And iPads. I shouldn't mention iPads again. Apple ecosystem. That's the downside. The positive is also very secure, very reliable. And for a lot of people, an iPad is a good choice as kind of their primary machine. It's a little more capable cuz you not only can use the browser. You can also use apps and there's a very large array, a variety of available for the iPad. So that's another good choice in terms of security and simplicity, Chromebook, then iPad then probably Linux, Mac windows, the least Leo Laport, the tech

Leo Laporte (00:48:28):
And now Leo and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages. Oh I was gonna get you. I was gonna find you. I will find this right now. The new sport. That is all the rage. <Laugh> all over the world. Yes, yes. You're gonna love it. Here it is. It's called kitty curling. Kitty curling. Yes. Yeah. Watch that. He throws the cat. Yeah. And the nice thing is it comes right back for more <laugh> I thought you might enjoy this. Yes. That this is this is the puppy bowl for the winter Olympics. <Laugh> kitty curling, curling <laugh> and if you think it's cruel and you hear us and you're not seeing the video, I think the cat seems to really quite enjoy it. <Laugh> yeah, yeah. Yeah. Keeps running back for more.

Leo Laporte (00:49:32):
Okay. Oh that's awesome. All your, that is awesome. I just had to show you that <laugh> yeah. Thank you. Since you're a puppy bull fan, I am a puppy bull. Are you gonna have a dog or a cat in Santa Cruz? No. No, I don't think so. Oh, allergies or you just, you just don't want the trouble. No, I don't want the trouble. Yeah. I'll enjoy other people's uhoh Micah says I need kitty curling. <Laugh> I need kitty curling. All right. Let me find the, find the link for you. Micah. Kitty curling. <Laugh> it's on imager and I will put it in chat and then I will let you have the floor. Well, I thank you. Okay. Actually I'll let you have the floor now. You just won't have the clock yet. Cuz I'm trying to still that's fine. I copy. Copy. Somebody told me, somebody

Scott Wilkinson (00:50:27):
Said in the chat room that their Visio died and they bought an OED, a 48 inch OED, Costco. And should they open the box? And the answer is absolutely. Should

Leo Laporte (00:50:38):
They like they won't open the box unless you say it's okay. <Laugh> that's cool. That's good.

Scott Wilkinson (00:50:44):
No, no you should absolutely. That that's gonna so much better than the Visio even when the VI was working <laugh> yes. You were talking about high re music and I've got some pretty strong. I know you

Leo Laporte (00:50:57):
Do <laugh> I could tell I almost potted you up then. I thought, well we only have 10 minutes, so yeah. Yeah,

Scott Wilkinson (00:51:03):
No, that's fine. I, you know, the high res music, it makes no difference. You won't hear any difference at all unless you have a system capable of reproducing. Well,

Leo Laporte (00:51:19):
That's true. That's why I made the Pono that's cause they had a good deck and a good amplifier. It was designed for playing back high-res music. Not merely coding it, but actually sounding good.

Scott Wilkinson (00:51:29):
That's right. And on a, on a, on headphones, it, it, most headphones can reproduce the frequencies and the dynamic range necessary to appreciate high, high risk music. But if you're listening to it on a speaker based system, not only do you have to have, you know, an a player, an amplifier speakers that can go beyond 20 K, you need to have a room that has a very low noise floor.

Leo Laporte (00:51:59):
And then you also have to have ears that can distinguish

Scott Wilkinson (00:52:02):
Well there's that too? <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:52:05):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative>

Scott Wilkinson (00:52:07):
<Laugh> so, so assuming you have ears that can distinguish, if you have a system that can reproduce frequencies above 20 K, then now can you hear that? No, but there are various theories about frequencies above 20 K being conveyed. In other ways I heard I've heard theories that, that it somehow impact your skin and, and you can, your sensory system sort of notices the difference. I did a, I did an admittedly non-scientific experiment on AVS forum some years ago, quite a few years ago. Now where I, I sent out I was, I had the help of mark Waldrip head of IX records and he records in high risk. He records a 24 96, 24 bit resolution, 96 kilohertz. And he gave me three recorded tracks that he had recorded at 24 96. And he gave me two copies of each one. One of them was native at 24 96 and one of them was downshifted to CD quality, 16 bits, 44.1 kilohertz, all level matched and everything.

Scott Wilkinson (00:53:27):
And I just labeled them randomly a and B for each track. And I put 'em up on the website and I said, download these, listen to 'em and tell me which ones high risk. And also when you, when you send back your info, your votes for which one is high re for each of these three tracks, tell me what system you were listening on. And so I got back, I don't know, a hundred, a hundred re replies, maybe 80, something like that. And interestingly, the the people with systems that were not high risk capable, they, they got a, a correct rate of 50%. Exactly. As you would expect from just random guessing those who did have high risk systems got a correct rate of 80%. So there's something to it. It, this was non-scientific, it was not controlled. I trusted people to be on the honor system, not to go look at the files in some audio analysis system software, where you could see which ones had higher than 20 K energy in them.

Scott Wilkinson (00:54:45):
So, you know, take it for what it's worth, but I, I tend to think there is something there, but you have to have the right environment. The thing that kills me the most is Sony for a while was really big into high re audio in the car. Now high re audio in a car makes no sense to me whatsoever because I don't care how I don't care if you're in a Bentley or a rolls or something, it's not gonna be a quiet environment that that is required to hear the dynamic range of high risk audio. It's simply not. So why put high risk audio in a car? It makes no sense. Now on headphones, it makes more sense because you're, you don't have to have a quiet room. If you have good isolating headphones, most of them can reproduce above 20 K. And there your ears become more of the issue. <Laugh> your hearings system network. Hey, the Sue, the writers in the chat room. Hey, the Sue, the writer. Good to see you. Let's see. Mike B says, oh, there's a Gizmoto article about don't buy what Neil young is selling Neil. Oh I assume you mean high re audio.

Leo Laporte (00:56:12):
Yeah. They review the Pono, but you know, that's kinda link link, baby. I don't. Mm, okay. I don't trust those either. I think it's more complicated than that, but the ni the Naqui theorem says you, you, there's only a certain number of bits you need to accurately reproduce

Scott Wilkinson (00:56:29):
Up to a certain frequency. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:56:31):
Yeah. That's correct. Any excess bits above that, in fact may introduce distortion and harmonics that make it worse. Not better. That's true.

Scott Wilkinson (00:56:42):
That's true. Although that, and that's, that's one reason why one theory about why high res audio, you might be able to tell the difference is those higher frequencies. You might be hearing, interact other stuff and create difference tones garbage down in the

Leo Laporte (00:56:54):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, I think it's reasonable to say that you want something better than, you know, 16 bit 44, 1 K Hertz, but I don't think you need to go too far. I think maybe 90, what is it? 96, 24. Something like that. I,

Scott Wilkinson (00:57:10):
I, myself record when I'm doing my own music recording, I record in 24 bit 48 kilohertz.

Leo Laporte (00:57:16):
Right. Actually I asked Joe Walsh once and he said, yeah, I don't require recorded a a high it rate because I it's too. I mean, I, he does 24 bit, but I don't record it a high sample rate. Cause the files are too big. So I think he probably does something like 48, 24, 48, 24. Yeah. And that's gonna be pretty close to perfect even though it's digital. Yeah.

Scott Wilkinson (00:57:40):
I, I agree completely.

Leo Laporte (00:57:41):
Yeah. But again, unfortunately my ears aren't good enough. Although I have to say I have good headphones and I can. I like it when it's better. Yeah. I know. I think MP3s and AACS are not good. At least you lossless at least right.

Scott Wilkinson (00:57:59):
I agree. I agree. Completely. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:58:01):
All right, Scott, you next week. Have a great, well, Hey, Hey. Hey. How are you today? Leo LePort here. The tech guy, time to talk computers, the internet, home theater, digital photography, smart phones, high quality audio, high quality video. You know, everything with a chip in it. This interesting, challenging, strange world. The world that we are living in today, the information technology revolution, 88 88. Ask Leo, if you wanna talk about it with me website tech guy labs.com has all the links, including yes. Kitty curling. <Laugh> well, thank you, Micah. He's gonna put a link up there. <Laugh> give us some time. Sometimes it's takes a little while to get everything up there. Tech guy labs.com audio and video from the shows will be there as well. Tech guy labs.com. Let's go back to the phones. And today we're going to Beneby British Columbia where Trevor is hanging out. Hi Trevor.

Caller #6 (00:59:05):
Hi long Tom note here.

Leo Laporte (00:59:06):
Good to talk to you. I miss BC. My sound call.

Caller #6 (00:59:10):
How's my audio quality.

Leo Laporte (00:59:12):
Excellent. Superb. I'm using

Caller #6 (00:59:14):
A, I'm using a road go too, ah, on my computer just, but I'm ordered a PR 40

Leo Laporte (00:59:21):
Nice gold for a phone call the road would be fine for, for podcasting or broadcasting. I use HES and I think you'll like them a lot. Yeah, yeah,

Caller #6 (00:59:32):
Yeah. But the point of my call is that my 2019 iMac, I went to, I pressed updates, 12.2 went for a map, came back. It was dead. Oh no, it was just dead. Like, oh, I tried to power it up. Oh no. And after like 30 seconds, it just loses power

Leo Laporte (00:59:57):
Really well. Now tell me what it looks like when it loses power does or does it just suddenly turn off,

Caller #6 (01:00:05):
You know, the, my Microsoft and tele, you know, from 2001 loses power and that's how I can tell. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:00:13):
Interesting. So you have an optical mouse and the, and the red light goes out. Yeah. Interesting. So that's your USB. I use a track pad. Your USB power is out. And the screen goes blank as well.

Caller #6 (01:00:29):
I'm using a TV. So, cause I can't see this 27 inch and we never got it set up. Right?

Leo Laporte (01:00:35):
No, there's nothing wrong with that. So the TV, what does it say? Does it say, I can't see anything on the HTM I port.

Caller #6 (01:00:42):
Yeah. Well, it's not gone into the, it's not gone into boot sequence, but it gets worse. So we take it in, well, my mom takes it in cuz I'm in quarantine, in a facility.

Leo Laporte (01:00:52):
Okay.

Caller #6 (01:00:54):
And more on that later, but what happened is, is that okay? I took, it, took it in. We did. Cause I did all this testing with him on my, and like through support, like yeah, yeah, yeah. If you can't, it was flashing and just dying. Yeah. So they're luckily I have apple care. Okay. And what I'm gonna do, what it's like. Okay. I took it in, this could take 12 to 14 days. I have my mom's old map book. Cause she upgrade to the new one. This you nice

Leo Laporte (01:01:23):
Have heard it, lend that to you.

Caller #6 (01:01:26):
Oh actually this is before the issue. Yeah. But guess what? What I woke up this morning and this MacBook was powered

Leo Laporte (01:01:33):
Dead. Oh, interesting. Do you have it plugged into the wall or do you have it plugged into a power strip? What do you have it plugged into power strip,

Caller #6 (01:01:40):
Which I think is somewhere into the, into the ups, but it's

Leo Laporte (01:01:44):
Oh, you have a ups on it. You do have a ups on it. Yeah.

Caller #6 (01:01:48):
Okay. Well my second battery, but then my gaming machine in the last two months has been dying out.

Leo Laporte (01:01:55):
So the place, the place where you're living may not have great power 

Caller #6 (01:02:01):
A new complex from 2016 and I have a, oh and there's just two, couple more things. I have two 1400 BTU ACS running on all this too Uhhuh.

Leo Laporte (01:02:15):
Yeah. So you're drawing a lot of power. Those air conditioners, especially drawing a lot of power. I'm thinking you're getting brownouts. So here's so there's different kinds of you. You said ups, I'll tell people that's an uninterruptable power supply. There's different kinds of uninterruptable power supplies. The least expensive are failover devices. The idea is if the power goes out, if you have a blackout, the ups, which has a big battery in, it will take over and give you some time to shut down or continue to running. If you've got a really big one. But that's the least expensive and not the kind you probably need what you want. Especially if the AC comes on and Browns you out, brownouts are actually terrible for hardware. We always think of surges like suddenly spiking as being the deadly thing to your computer or your TV or your, you know, your electronics.

Leo Laporte (01:03:08):
And that's true. <Laugh> I'll never forget. I was on the phone with my collaborator, my first book, Gina Smith. And I heard a pal and I said, what happened? She said, we just got hit by lightning. <Affirmative> even though she had uninterruptable power supplies, everything died, including her appliances in her kitchen. There was so much voltage that came from that. Lightning strike it, jumped across any fuses, jumped across any UPSs and fried everything. <Laugh> sometimes the reason to get a ups is for the insurance. <Laugh> not cuz it can't protect against anything, everything, but that spikes that's less common. Sometimes you get a spike. If there's a blackout and the utility then gets the power back on. Sometimes there's a, a spike of electricity that thats back to the normal voltage. But even maybe more common. And I think in your case, especially a brownout, low power and low power can be just as bad for electronics as overpower as a spike.

Leo Laporte (01:04:08):
But for that, you're gonna need to spend a little extra money on your ups because you want one that instead of sitting there waiting for the power to go out, you want one that you're running through. In fact, laptops, in many cases run through the bad batteries. So your laptop is powered by the battery. The battery is being charged when it's plugged in, but you're still running off the battery all the time. That's kind of what you want. You want a ups where you're gonna run off the battery all the time. Okay? You might even want a ups with a voltage regulator or even a power conditioner. And then all of these get more and more expensive <laugh> so it's also it's you know, gonna depend on your budget, but because you've got these big AC units the place where you're living may not have the best power anyway, you know, sometimes older buildings, that kind of thing.

Leo Laporte (01:05:02):
Maybe there's a lot of people sharing just to, you know, you said you had a hundred amps. That's a lot. If you got a hundred amps going into your apartment, that's a lot of power. That's more than you need, but maybe it's not consistent. Maybe it drops down. Maybe when the air conditioners come on, there's a brown out. So you might wanna look like something, look at something that's gonna give you online. Voltage regulation, power conditioning. Those are the three steps. Reccon five in our chat room who is an it guy and works with this says you need a Furman. <Laugh> F 1500 uninterruptable power supply with power conditioning and voltage regulator. I wonder how a, how much a Furman F 15 hundreds gonna cost <laugh> runtime is, you know, is gonna depend on how much you are running off of it. Just a few minutes. But the idea of these things is if there's a blackout, you're gonna shut down. It just gives you the chance to in orderly shut down. I'm just curious what the price is of this. Let me, let me, let me look on Amazon. If they sell it, cuz it, I, you know, usually when you see something like this, <laugh> it's yeah, a little expensive, like $1,800 cost more than the computer.

Leo Laporte (01:06:24):
But on the other hand, that's that, you know, so that's the level you're we're talking about. You probably have the least expensive up. So the cheapest thing is a surge suppressor, which is just a fuse. Then you go to ups, which has a battery and is there in case power goes out and then it's, then there there's in milliseconds, it switches over to the battery. Then next step up something that you run continuously. Then the next step up is voltage regulation and power conditioning. You may need all of that to really have reliable. And you know, if your stuff keeps dying, that may be an indication that you, that you do need to spend some money on this. I would talk to the people who own the facility and say, Hey dudes, <laugh> you gotta do something here. You're killing me. You're killing me. Furman does make, you know, other, you know, power conditioner without a battery for 580 bucks. You could add that to your existing ups. The power conditioning is probably what you need. Not the, not so much the ups, but the power conditioning. The ups will help though, if they're brownouts. So it's complicated, isn't it? 88, 88 as Leo Laport, the tech guy, the chat room's coming up with all sorts of solutions, including a $270 trip light which is actually pretty good too. Pretty good too. More of your calls coming up. Leola port the tech guy, a Furman.

Leo Laporte (01:07:50):
You need a Furman, a Frenzel holler. A me caller Furman dollar. Yeah, the MacBook battery will keep it running, but see if it was affected, then maybe you have really dirty power, really dirty power. Nate's not good. Five cups already in the wahoo afternoon of Chris in Miami wahoo. It's Lisa's birthday today. Everybody say happy birthday to her. And it's our anniversary cuz I thought foolishly <laugh> as it turned out, I thought I'm gonna save on the whole present conundrum. If we get married on her birthday, then I can combine. But no, no <laugh> it just makes it even more important. Greg. The mini's dead is a door now and will be weeks before they'll get the part. They, they finally looked at it. They sent it to San Francisco.

Leo Laporte (01:08:56):
Yeah. Well I'm not forgetting this day. That's for sure. So we're gonna go away next. Tuesday and Wednesday. I won't be here. We're gonna go to go for a little jaunt away for next week. And I've got presents for her today. I sent her flowers. I think I'm okay. Oh, I should make her a cake. Oh, German chocolate cake tonight maybe. Huh? Yeah, that snowstorm. My, my sister sent me a video from Rhode Island of the snow of the blizzard coming down. Leo LePort the tech guy, 88 88. Ask Leo best wishes to all our friends in the Northeast who are blizzard it out. Yikes. hope you're hope. You're staying warm. My family in Rhode Island, my friends in Massachusetts to one Brian who works in the Providence journal building in Providence downtown there. I remember that building. Nice old building. 88 88. Ask Leo, stay inside, listen to the radio. It's a good thing to do now, Dave, on the other hand is probably having a heat wave. He's in Melbourne, Florida. Hello Dave.

Caller #6 (01:10:14):
Hey man. How's it going? Are you having

Leo Laporte (01:10:16):
A heat wave? A traffic? 

Caller #6 (01:10:20):
Yeah. Well it's gonna be at most 50 today. It's gonna be 32 tomorrow. It's

Leo Laporte (01:10:25):
Oh, it's freezing. It's chill. Holy cow. And not only that

Caller #6 (01:10:29):
Spacex seems to have once again canceled their launch for today. At least they have a new time for some time tomorrow. So new to Melbourne and I thought, well, this is good. I should be able to go out about 6:30 PM and be able to see it. Cause it's about, you know, 40 miles salsa. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:10:45):
That's cool. You picked a good place to live. You can watch the launches.

Caller #6 (01:10:49):
It is really good. And you don't have to drive up there and get stuck in the traffic. You should be able to see it unless a person is clouds in the way. But yesterday I guess there were clouds. So they canceled yesterday's but two days before I think it was too windy and also completely overcast. You couldn't see a darn thing. So, and they've got some Italian satellite that they're launching on this particular launch. That's either coming up.

Leo Laporte (01:11:10):
Yeah. Down, down that Cape Canaveral. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Rod and I are gonna come out. We're we're planning to come out later this year for the, the, I can't remember. There's a big launch of some kind and rod wants to go out and see it. But I guess the no,

Caller #6 (01:11:25):
No one of the men launches or something maybe

Leo Laporte (01:11:28):
Artimis yeah. We wanna watch Artemis get launched. So maybe we will be out your way.

Caller #6 (01:11:35):
Right? Cool.

Leo Laporte (01:11:36):
When you come out, I'd like to do the, I'd like to do the show from out there. It'd be really fun. We'll have to talk to NASA. So

Caller #6 (01:11:43):
I think that that awesome would be really

Leo Laporte (01:11:45):
Great. Wouldn't that be kind of fun? Yeah. Like Walter Cronkite, we're sitting here waiting for the Artemis to be launched. It'd be fun. I grew up

Caller #6 (01:11:54):
Watching. Well, I think must be part of the backroom crew. That'd be good opportunity to go with oh gosh. Shoot, Mr. Bandstand who? 

Leo Laporte (01:12:03):
Oh, Dick Clark. Yeah. Used to work for Dick Clark

Caller #6 (01:12:06):
Because yeah, and I had actually, I was a real estate broker in California and a couple of my clients, one of their wives was part of her, his production group. Ah, and she used to go out every year for the dropping of the ball and rock

Leo Laporte (01:12:21):
It new year's Eve rocking new year's Eve. Watched it every year for years. Yeah.

Caller #6 (01:12:24):
Yeah. Sounds so good. Did you

Leo Laporte (01:12:26):
Go to times square for that? That's nuts.

Caller #6 (01:12:30):
I, well, you know what? I, every once in your life you have to go do it. I, my son out with me, he was eight then. And we did the whole thing. My parents were on Cape Cod in Yama the time. So we

Leo Laporte (01:12:41):
He'll never forget it though. I bet.

Caller #6 (01:12:44):
No, not at all from, you know, from Boston to JFK and then took the bus in. So it's fun. And that after that, obviously you rent the car. So you know people in California. Oh, you always take the car. No, we're actually gonna walk once we get to grand central station. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:12:58):
Yeah. You can walk to times square. No problem.

Caller #6 (01:13:01):
Yeah. And yeah, we did the whole thing. We did the rock AFE center and skating there and

Leo Laporte (01:13:06):
All that. Isn't that fun like that. See the tree. Yeah. So much fun. And

Caller #6 (01:13:10):
You all this stuff, it's just, there's a really great experience. So

Leo Laporte (01:13:12):
I think they got 18 inches of snow last night. And of course it's gonna be in the fifties in a couple of days, it's all gonna melt, but it be, but that's one time to be in New York when the, when the fresh snow and it's quiet and it's kind of an amazing experience

Caller #6 (01:13:27):
And the snow is clean and white.

Leo Laporte (01:13:29):
It's only clean for about five minutes, but, but boy, it's nice when it's clean. Yes. <Laugh>. What can I do? What I do for you today, Mr. Cape COTA in snowbird in Melbourne.

Caller #6 (01:13:40):
Exactly. Well, anyways, here's the deal. I have a Motorola G seven power with the great battery that last

Leo Laporte (01:13:49):
Excellent. Love those

Caller #6 (01:13:50):
Phones long as I can. Yeah, it's great. I love the phone. I wish they'd make a new one.

Leo Laporte (01:13:55):
Well, they did. They made the Gina. No, they've updated it.

Caller #6 (01:13:58):
I didn't even notice that that's this is I, well, would you know what Android, the new one is? This one was Android 10, so it's

Leo Laporte (01:14:05):
Probably 11, but it's certainly not 12, but it's probably 11 by now. Yeah. I, I, my daughter goes through phones like cotton candy. She, you know, every few months I have to buy her new one and those are about 200 bucks and they're great phones. She loves 'em. So I, I keep up with the G nine or the Motorola power series. Absolutely. And great battery life, as you said.

Caller #6 (01:14:26):
Oh exactly. That's one of best features anyways, but I'm wondering this is more like a software connectivity issue. Every time I get something that I need to print that I do on my phone. And then it's always like this big hassle, how do I get it from the edge of my printer? I have to take the files or whatever, and email them to myself and set down

Leo Laporte (01:14:45):
Google. Google had such a good system that used to work really nicely. Cloud cloud print, most print manufacturers built cloud printed to their compu their printers. You have, I presume a wifi enabled printer, right? Yes I do. So, but unfortunately, Google disabled cloud print or, or last year they'd killed it, which is so Google of them. I just, I hate them for that. And they didn't really give us a bit of altern. Most printers will offer something called wifi direct so that you can print directly from your phone to the printer, basically turns the printer into a wifi access point. Yep. And then your phone, you choose the printer on your wi on your wifi and you could print that way. Otherwise both, if both the phone, the printer on the same wifi network, you should be able to print to it as well, but it might be a little easier to do the print direct.

Caller #6 (01:15:39):
Yeah. Well, this is the same thing too. I'm wondering because I also have an OTC scan tool. OTC is now a Bosch company and they used to be, I think it was probably the same thing since that oil also had a base Android operating system, but it's Android, you know, when they use these things in OEM applications, you never really get the newest one. I think it was Android. 

Leo Laporte (01:16:03):
So this is, this is for your car.

Caller #6 (01:16:06):
Well, yeah, that is two separate issues. This other thing is, it's a tablet, but it's made by OTC. Oh, okay. And it runs and it runs Android. It does have a direct USD connector though, but I don't know if anybody bothers to write a drive. I think they used to use it.

Leo Laporte (01:16:19):
Probably not. They probably use cloud print. Yeah. <Laugh> I think if I were a manufacturer, I'd be so irritated because everybody bought in the cloud print and then Google randomly just dis discontinued it. It's incredibly frustrating

Caller #6 (01:16:33):
Probably overnight. It 

Leo Laporte (01:16:35):
Well they warned people, but you know, you make these OTC tablets or you make these printers. You're not, you know, you're not, everybody's not gonna buy a new one next month just cuz of this. So it's very right. Exactly. It's very frustrating and Google

Caller #6 (01:16:49):
It well and it's bad enough cuz it cost us like $795 a year for us states like quarterly to the software and whenever there new drivers for O B D two and all the rest of,

Leo Laporte (01:17:02):
Yeah. Are you, do you have a repair shop? Why do you, or you just a, a car buff?

Caller #6 (01:17:06):
No, I just, I just do a bunch of my own stuff and I like having a lot of advance capabilities that they have at the garage.

Leo Laporte (01:17:13):
It's pretty. It's very cool. Yeah. You got all the diagnostics and everything. Yeah.

Caller #6 (01:17:17):
Yeah. You put and what's so cool. Not true. You didn't have to put the VIN number in anyways. It reads the in from

Leo Laporte (01:17:22):
Whatever. Yeah. The OBD two port probably has it. So there are some companies that have E up to try to offer similar cloud print stuff. Haven't tried. 'em There's direct print.io and paper cut.com. I, you know, I don't know if I recommend him though. Leo Laport, the tech guy. Very frustrating. What, what Google has done is just made life worse for everybody. And I, it, it's just very annoying. I think I'm, I think we're all souring a little bit on Google.

Caller #6 (01:17:54):
Well, a company's gotten too big

Leo Laporte (01:17:56):
<Laugh> I don't know what it is. It's they just don't they just they've they short attention span or something. I don't get it. So I think the best, your best bet is to, especially for the OTC tablet, your best bet is to see if you can get your printer to do direct. It'll be in the land setting.

Caller #6 (01:18:16):
Probably just plug it in and see what happens. And I guess, is there a good printer then for connecting printers from just regular foam to you see what happens? I'm not that familiar with messing around with the inners, that particular operating system.

Leo Laporte (01:18:32):
So have you ever printed from the OTC?

Caller #6 (01:18:36):
No. I usually take the report and just email it. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:18:40):
Yeah. I wouldn't guarantee the O OTC would ever work your phone should be able to print either wifi direct or it there, Google has some weird same

Caller #6 (01:18:55):
Wifi network too.

Leo Laporte (01:18:56):
Right? You should. Yeah. If they're on the same wifi network, I think the phone should see it.

Caller #6 (01:19:01):
Okay. I I'll have try that right. The moment I extended say America out here, I'm in the middle of saving. So, so

Leo Laporte (01:19:10):
Do you still, do you still live in Cape cot or you, are you moving to Melbourne or are you just visiting?

Caller #6 (01:19:15):
No, I still have no, I'm moving to Melbourne. Actually I'm moving to, well, I'm moving to Melbourne via Huntington beach and Boca Raton in Florida. Nice. And but I know the place on Cape Cod. We still have, in fact, I have to spend in time. That's dang it updated.

Leo Laporte (01:19:33):
Oh, I love Cape Cod again, my my aunt, Jenny and uncle Bob used to live up there. I used to love go visit them when we were in Providence. Oh cool. And

Caller #6 (01:19:42):
So getting into Providence now and everything, they've got all best. Dave investors and everything.

Leo Laporte (01:19:47):
When we visited my mom last time we brought Michael with us, I guess he was probably seven 16. Or he lived at Dave busters. <Laugh> yes, we were in the hotel attached to Dave busters. So it was winter, but they walked over the bridge and lived at Dave busters. Yeah. Lisa drank those weird big drinks that they have there. And while Michael played video games, Hey, I better run. I gotta get ready for Johnny pleasure. Pleasure to meet you fellow weekend, man, fellow new England. Enjoy your exactly. Visit to Florida park the car in the garage, the car in the garage there. Take care, Dave. See ya. All right. Thanks man. Hello Johnny.

Johnny Jet (01:20:29):
Hey, another new Englander, another

Leo Laporte (01:20:30):
New England. You're a Kinetica QTA Southern new England, Southern new England

Johnny Jet (01:20:35):
Speaking, new England. You saw Tom Brady just retired.

Leo Laporte (01:20:38):
I saw cha arena. The cherm told me, I thought he

Johnny Jet (01:20:42):
Was gonna do it play

Leo Laporte (01:20:43):
Till 15 fire. I'm very disappointed. I was hoping we could get him over at the Niners. Well he had a couple of good years at Tampa bay and this means gro can retire too. And yep. Yep. Wow.

Johnny Jet (01:20:55):
So are you going for tomorrow? I'm kidding. I know.

Leo Laporte (01:20:58):
Are you a Rams fan?

Johnny Jet (01:21:00):
Well, I'm a giant fan, but I am a Rams fan tomorrow. No,

Leo Laporte (01:21:04):
No, no. I'm gonna, I

Johnny Jet (01:21:07):
Blow actually I think their, I think their run is done for the 49ers.

Leo Laporte (01:21:11):
I'm blowing my sacred trumpet goers.

Johnny Jet (01:21:16):
Will you go to the super bowl? Yes,

Leo Laporte (01:21:18):
Really? If they're in it, Lisa wants to super bowl fun, happy birthday to Lisa and anniversary. Thank you, Henry is at the game tomorrow. He and his buddies bought four tickets for an exorbitant amount of money, cuz it all, I

Johnny Jet (01:21:31):
Think they say right now it's the highest tomorrow's game is the highest price game ever or the

Leo Laporte (01:21:36):
Definitely 65% San Francisco Niners fans in the stands look for a sea of red. Really that's disappointing 65% they say, but I did

Johnny Jet (01:21:46):
Think it was lame of the Rams to try and block 49ers from paying the big money. Ha ha.

Leo Laporte (01:21:52):
All right, here we go. Hello, Johnny jet traveling guy. Johnny is at Johnny jet.com. He's Johnny jet on the TWiTtter in the Instagram and he's our traveling guru. He helps us travel better with technology every week. Good to see you, Johnny. You too.

Johnny Jet (01:22:09):
My Trippi reminders reminded me that I had a flight last night from New York to LA. I was supposed to be at a conference yesterday. Fortunately. I mean I pulled out cause I wasn't gonna, I wasn't comfortable going to a conference with people from around the world, which they still, they still had it. Yeah. but anyway, my flight would've been the second to last flight out because I just looked all of Americans. GFK lax was canceled after that and all day today

Leo Laporte (01:22:34):
Cause of snow, big snow.

Johnny Jet (01:22:37):
I grew up in Connecticut. I'm looking at the numbers. 97% of flights outta LaGuardia canceled 90% outta Newark. Boston's getting hammered 92%. So if your flight has not been canceled by chance, my recommendation is unless you really have to be somewhere, you know, save yourself the aggravation and just postpone it. They let you do it for free. And, but if you can't just make sure you bring some snacks and obviously pack your patience. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:23:03):
Hey, I like your pillow behind you. I see a pillow. You've got airport three letter airport designations on it. That's

Johnny Jet (01:23:10):
Cool. You know, the company sent this to me years ago and I got this from my wife and she doesn't like it. 

Leo Laporte (01:23:17):
Toronto's Y Y Z. I know because I've used to fly there every, every month. S from SFO from Toronto. Yeah. Is why

Johnny Jet (01:23:24):
I got it. Yep. But the reason why I put it there today, cuz it reminded me I'm sure you've seen Wordle. I mean, unfortunately love word, love it. I love Wordle too, but I don't like seeing it on my TWiTtter timeline.

Leo Laporte (01:23:35):
No, it's really clogged up TWiTtter, but you know what, what doesn't clog up TWiTtter after all, but I love

Johnny Jet (01:23:41):
Word. Yes. And so anyway, Scott's cheap flights created portal. Oh I love it. So it's three. It's a, I just put it in the chat room. I'll tweet it out. Oh fun. So it's a three code

Leo Laporte (01:23:55):
Actually pretty easy actually.

Johnny Jet (01:23:56):
Right. You know the first time I did it, I just actually, the first time I did it did really well. The second time I do, you have to

Leo Laporte (01:24:02):
Took me six tries. So here's the question. Do you have to know the, the name of the city or just a three letter code? Nope. Just a three letter. See? Yeah. That would be tough if they did it that way tries. Yeah. Oh how fun? How fun? I mean portal and if you want the link go to Johnny jet.com. He's got it up there on his on his website.

Johnny Jet (01:24:20):
Yeah, it's a, it's a, I mean it's fun. I mean it's and then what I like about Wordle and this portal is that's not a giant time suck. It's not like spider solitaire, which I had to delete off my computer. You

Leo Laporte (01:24:30):
Know, know what they did smart with. You can only play it once a day. So it's like, you're

Johnny Jet (01:24:33):
Done two minutes. You're done. Or five minutes or however long it takes you. So 

Leo Laporte (01:24:37):
Portal, how fun. So you have to make up just some, anything to start.

Johnny Jet (01:24:43):
Yep. You want me to give you what I told?

Leo Laporte (01:24:45):
What happened? No, no, no. My start and let's just see, I got none of them. This is hard because it's only three letters.

Johnny Jet (01:24:51):
I know I got it in two today.

Leo Laporte (01:24:54):
What? Oh, give I'm giving up right now.

Johnny Jet (01:24:57):
Put in E R I, I always go with a lot of vows,

Leo Laporte (01:24:59):
Which I remember I do. Yeah. Just like word Gary,

Johnny Jet (01:25:01):
Pennsylvania, which I used to travel to all the time.

Leo Laporte (01:25:03):
I never heard of that one. I just found out pedal a oh, look

Johnny Jet (01:25:08):
At that. So then you can figure it out from there.

Leo Laporte (01:25:10):
Oh man. That's easy. Yes. that's Newark, right? E w R right? Yeah. They should make you though. You should have to know the town cuz then cuz then you,

Johnny Jet (01:25:22):
Oh, I, I don't. I mean <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:25:25):
Cause then you'd have to be an expert or have a pillow like Johnny jet has <laugh> <laugh>

Johnny Jet (01:25:31):
That's true. Speaking of security, by the way or numbers at the airport, TSA security, they were up and down this week. I mean, they had the lowest number in almost a year, really? This March on Tuesday, but Tuesdays is always a, a slow travel day, but this was almost under a million. But then yesterday the numbers were higher than 2019 by a hundred thousand. Huh? So I was like, really? So it was one point six yesterday in 2019, it was 1.5, but

Leo Laporte (01:26:02):
I don't like to do this, but I'm gonna, I would be in Hong Kong right now. Yeah, I would be, but you can't even. It's good. They, they canceled the trip because

Johnny Jet (01:26:11):
You can't get into Hong Kong right now. So we'd have a three week quarantine, which means the trip would be over before we'd get out. So that's not gonna work well in my Facebook memories today, I, I posed a question two years ago saying I of around the world trip. Should I go? I was in Hong Kong, Singapore, Bangkok. Oh Finland, you got me. Got me. I'm so jealous. Excuse me. But I had so many comments where 98% of the people were like, do not go including Asian airline executives. That's where I was like, I'm not going, but, but people who said yes, go. I'm like, I'm not taking their advice anymore. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:26:42):
It's, it's called. You got a little filter here. Anybody said you should go, okay, that's it. You're done. <Laugh>

Johnny Jet (01:26:49):
That's Hyster. And this week I got an email and on my phone it looked like it was from American airlines. It said that someone is pretending to be you and you need to change your, oh, you know, you need to change your password or whatever. And I'm me say, so I logged on, on my computer and I looked and I, you know, I, I hovered over the email and also the link. And I could see it was a total scam, but on your phone, it really

Leo Laporte (01:27:12):
Looks like that's why they do it on the phone. And, and plus on the phone, you can act quickly without thinking, you don't have to sit down at the computer, you just click that link. Oh, bad.

Johnny Jet (01:27:24):
People do not click these links. No. And let's say American airlines really did send you one. Don't click the link, just go directly to aa.com.

Leo Laporte (01:27:32):
Type it in manually. Yeah. Yeah.

Johnny Jet (01:27:34):
And whatever website they do, cuz I mean, they'll do it for every airline. Yeah. Just not picking on American. But I just happened to be in American earlier that day. And I was like, wow. Someone may be you know, truly fished me. But anyway, so, or

Leo Laporte (01:27:48):
Scammed me mm-hmm <affirmative> fished me. They scammed you

Johnny Jet (01:27:51):
Or tried to did not. They tried

Leo Laporte (01:27:53):
Failed. Aren't there's so many of 'em now. It's amazing. I just, every day there's another scam coming in over the port, over the transom people just have to. Yeah. They're very clever. You just have to Gur your, you know, skepticism and you know, be careful.

Johnny Jet (01:28:10):
Definitely. I mean, if my dad could see and, and be on the computer, like he used to be man. Oh yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:28:15):
He would be really. That's why they, they go after older folks. Yep. It's terrible. Yep. It's really terrible.

Johnny Jet (01:28:21):
Yep. So this week Rome luggage, I talked about them once before where you can customize it. I think you might even did it. You can change different colors. R O a M yep. Rome luggage,

Leo Laporte (01:28:32):
Rome luggage.

Johnny Jet (01:28:32):
Okay. It literally takes two minutes, but you can choose the backside, the zipper

Leo Laporte (01:28:36):
Color, the, because every bag looks the same coming on that that conveyor belt, you just, all, they all look the same,

Johnny Jet (01:28:42):
But mentioning them because through February 1st or up to 40% off, which is a good deal, cuz they're not cheap bags. Normally they're about $500. So if you are gonna get one, this is a good time. Good. what else can I tell ya?

Leo Laporte (01:28:57):
<Laugh>

Johnny Jet (01:28:58):
I ran, I ran through all kinds of stuff. I got some more news TSA. I like

Leo Laporte (01:29:04):
Theses numbers. These are, these are cool. They really have all sorts of interesting colors. Yeah. And they have

Johnny Jet (01:29:09):
Backpacks too. Is it?

Leo Laporte (01:29:10):
It's hardside hard sided luggage. Yeah. No, they

Johnny Jet (01:29:13):
Also have, now they have backpacks as well, but it's mostly hard sided. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:29:17):
What do you, where do you come down on that hard sided versus soft sided luggage debate.

Johnny Jet (01:29:23):
I prefer soft sided. I, I usually travel with just a little Briggs and Riley roller bag. Cause

Leo Laporte (01:29:28):
You can jam more in and then you can jam it in the overhead.

Johnny Jet (01:29:31):
Well, the roller bag goes underneath my seat or, and then I have a roots duffle bag, which I can just cuz I, when I travel by myself, I do not check bags. But if I am travel with my kids, I do bring the Rome. Does the

Leo Laporte (01:29:42):
Duffle bag have wheels?

Johnny Jet (01:29:45):
No, I just, so you just have to on top of my, no, I use something called the Lu buddy. I put it on top of my bag and I put a STR it's a bungee cord over it so I can just strap it to the thing. And I can just cruise through airports.

Leo Laporte (01:29:58):
A Lu buddy.

Johnny Jet (01:30:00):
Yeah. I don't think they make 'em anymore. Unfortunately I bought a bunch of them when they were

Leo Laporte (01:30:05):
They're like bungee cords for luggage basically.

Johnny Jet (01:30:09):
Yes. I don't know why they stopped making them because it was the best invention and flight at attendants would be like, I love that. So you know, maybe you and I have to go

Leo Laporte (01:30:17):
Backs. Let's go, let's go in the Lu buddy business.

Johnny Jet (01:30:20):
I mean it's, it's, it's just a, really a Bunge chord. So if you have a Bunge chord yeah. That's what holds

Leo Laporte (01:30:25):
It together. The Lu buddy had this kind of fancy do Hickey on one end. It was, you know, they had some, some stuff, but all you could find now if you search for Lu buddies, a lot of people saying how great it was. Oh,

Johnny Jet (01:30:37):
Okay. Well there, there, there is, there is a competitor or not a competitor there. Someone made something similar, but it's not as good as

Leo Laporte (01:30:44):
A Lu buddy. No, it's no. See, I always like to ask you for luggage tips as if I'm going somewhere, which I'm not, although you know what, we're going to Carmel next week. I we're gonna go down. We're gonna have a nice meal. We're gonna stay in a hotel for two whole nights. Have dinner with Clint. Have to say hi to Clint, Leo appoint the tech guy. <Laugh> I like Carmel. I used to work in Pacific Grove in Monterey. So I we used to go there all the time. I

Johnny Jet (01:31:12):
Told you I wanna take my kids to the aquarium, the Monterey aquarium. Well, I think that's

Leo Laporte (01:31:15):
What we're gonna do. Oh, it's the best aquarium I've never been. Yeah. So I think that's probably what we're gonna do is we're gonna drive down there. It's gonna be challenging cause we're gonna drive down in the electric and the hotel we're staying at does not have chargers, but there's a, there's a charger, a couple of blocks away, crossing my fingers and get over there, get it charged up. Cuz it's gonna use all the juice just to get there. But then I, the next day we wanna drive up to Monterey, go to the aquarium. I could show Lisa the radio station I used to work at in can around cannery row you know, have, you know, day trip.

Johnny Jet (01:31:46):
I spoke at a conference at the Bernardis Bernardis lodge or something. It was really nice Bochy courts outside. It's like right in a little

Leo Laporte (01:31:53):
Winery. Yeah. Carmel's pretty, pretty nice area. I think the place, the hotel we're staying in used to be like a fancy home that they turned into a hotel. There's a lot of that. I think there's a lot of that in Carmel <laugh> I'm sure. And then there's a, there's a Michelin restaurant cuz we're trying to hit all the Michelin restaurants in Northern California, one by one. So there's a Michelin restaurant we're gonna go to on I think Wednesday night anyway, it's gonna be nice. It's our, it's our anniversary trip. You know, we were gonna be, like I said, in Hong Kong and Vietnam and Thailand and Singapore that we were, we were gonna be in Hong Kong today and get on the boat tomorrow. I was gonna spend Lisa were on the beach birthday in Hong Kong.

Johnny Jet (01:32:37):
We were on the beach yesterday and beautiful day. Not before.

Leo Laporte (01:32:40):
And so you live in paradise and that's the thing I, I realize we do too. People come from all over the world to go to the wine country. Definitely. So we should just enjoy our locals

Johnny Jet (01:32:50):
Local side. But we lived near lax. You could see the planes taken off and we saw Singapore airlines taken off and it was going to Tokyo then on the Singapore and I asked my wife, I said, would you like to be on that plane right now? She's like, Nope, no, no. She'd rather be in Manhattan

Leo Laporte (01:33:02):
Beach. It's we're almost over. I, I, I, I have no evidence to believe this, but I feel like <inaudible> is the last gasp. And it's gonna be back to normal by by July when we go to our Alaska cruise. I hope so. And I did book a river cruise for 20, 25. Hoping that it would by then. <Laugh>

Johnny Jet (01:33:22):
I read in the news today. They're actually talking about doing a river cruise along the floor to inner coastal. Ooh,

Leo Laporte (01:33:27):
That would be nice. Which is

Johnny Jet (01:33:28):
Brilliant to, I don't know why. No one never thought of, I mean my sister used

Leo Laporte (01:33:30):
To live. How far is though? Is it long enough to do a week? You can go. Yeah, you can go up. You can, we're doing two weeks. We start in Minneapolis and the TWiTn cities and we go all the way down in a Orleans on Viking two weeks. It's gonna be awesome. I mean, that's gonna be amazing. See America first and it's Viking. So it'll be a nice, it'll be nice. It's not like a paddle Wheeler or

Johnny Jet (01:33:49):
Something. <Laugh> no, it will definitely be nice. <Laugh> Viking does a great job. Yeah, I

Leo Laporte (01:33:53):
Can't wait that'll

Johnny Jet (01:33:55):
And by the way, real quick about the crystal cruises, we talked about it last week. Did anybody buy it? I've heard. I don't. I think someone will, but I heard one of my readers said that they got a refund from crystal good right away, which I was impressed and surprised. Yeah. But go after your credit card, if you have it go after your credit card company right

Leo Laporte (01:34:12):
Away, get it as quick as you can. I hope somebody buys 'em they won't buy their debts. So, you know,

Johnny Jet (01:34:18):
I mean they had that crystal plane. I don't know if you remember that thing. That thing

Leo Laporte (01:34:21):
I would say. Cause I always wanted to go on crystal bill handle used to tell me that's the best cruise line. He said, you gotta go on crystal. I just never did. No, I never will. I

Johnny Jet (01:34:29):
Mean, they had a plane. The red Sox rented out to go to the, to London when they played against the Yankees. Wow. It's

Leo Laporte (01:34:34):
Incredible. That's why they're broke by the way. <Laugh> okay. Hey, thank you Johnny. Have a good one. Take care. I, I get a little weird when I hear this song because for some reason, something was wrong with my iPhone a couple of years ago. And every time I got in the car, it would play foreigner. I don't, I couldn't figure out why every time I got in the car, you know, cuz it's supposed to pick off where you left off. But I, and I guess once, once I had listened to some foreigner and, and then the iPhone just decided, well you must like foreigner. Let me play that every time you get in the car <laugh> or maybe the car was trying to tell me something. I don't know. Leo Laport, the tech I George on the line from Brooksville, Florida. Hello, George.

Caller #3 (01:35:22):
Hello Leo.

Leo Laporte (01:35:23):
How are you?

Caller #3 (01:35:26):
I'm Samsung 21 ultra

Leo Laporte (01:35:33):
A Samsung 21 S 21. The latest greatest phone. Although February 9th, it will no longer be the latest greatest phone, but you got a couple of weeks left. What's going on with your Samsung S 21 ultra.

Caller #3 (01:35:47):
Well, it's not the greatest. I <laugh>,

Leo Laporte (01:35:51):
They lied. What's a matter.

Caller #3 (01:35:58):
I took one of 'em into the ages that I purchased it from today to have it set up and transferred from my old S 10.

Leo Laporte (01:36:10):
Okay. That's a nice, that's a nice jump in capabilities. Thats 10 to the S 21.

Caller #3 (01:36:17):
It looked, but after three hours and the multiple restarts and trying to figure out different ways to transfer, I finally gave up and told her, I just wanted to get my Tim back. And

Leo Laporte (01:36:36):
<Laugh> so she couldn't figure out how to do it.

Caller #3 (01:36:39):
She could not get it. It was so slow. It was unbelievably slow in transferring. She was blame. She went, blamed it on wifi first decided it was probably a, a glitch with Samsung that maybe

Leo Laporte (01:36:55):
Did she try using the cable that came in the S 21 box? Yes. And that's. And that didn't work either, huh? No,

Caller #3 (01:37:03):
No, because wifi and the cable, neither one of 'em seemed to work.

Leo Laporte (01:37:08):
Huh? That's weird now, honestly you don't really, especially with an any Android device, you don't really need to do that. If you, what I would suggest on your old, 10 is you log in, do you have a Samsung account log log to Samsung your Samsung account? There's a backup setting there. And then if, of course you're logged into a Google account, there's a backup setting there. If you make sure both of those have done their backup job, you can then just take the S 21 start from scratch. You just don't don't won't do any copying over start from scratch, log into your Google account, log into your Samsung account. It will restore many of the things that you're trying to copy over directly from those accounts. If you're backed up, what is it that you most want to get? Is it music? Is it photos what's missing?

Caller #3 (01:38:00):
Well everything's missing now cause she,

Leo Laporte (01:38:03):
But what is it you want

Caller #3 (01:38:04):
<Laugh> I want

Leo Laporte (01:38:05):
That you wanna, I actually, I often when I set up a new phone, don't do that. All, all these phones have some sort of thing where it says, do you have a, an older phone? Would you like to copy your data from over from it? That's what's not working? I'm not sure why. It's probably a, I'm gonna guess it's a ton of data. Do you, did you fill your phone up? Do you have a lot of pictures? A lot of music.

Caller #3 (01:38:30):
No, no pictures. I don't have.

Leo Laporte (01:38:35):
Well, if you use, if you use Samsung's photos, you know their gallery or you use Google photos, all of those will be backed up to that. So you don't need to copy those over. In fact, I don't usually recommend you do that. Sometimes people want their messages and stuff. Is it, is it like that you want your, your Android messages, text messages?

Caller #3 (01:38:55):
I did have a lot of messages and I had her to cut it down to just the last six months.

Leo Laporte (01:39:03):
I'm wondering. And, and the, and the woman who's doing this is she has a cell phone repair business, or what does she have?

Caller #3 (01:39:10):
She's got a at and tios in Fs club.

Leo Laporte (01:39:14):
Okay. So you might, I try somebody else. <Laugh> she may not be the most accomplished phone person. They don't think they give them a lot of, a lot of training. That's where you got it, but you can, you know, I generally recommend not a certainly not a kiosk in a mall or in a store. And probably not the company stores like the at and T company stores, the generally the smartest guys and gals out there are the independent third party cell phone stores. You know, the one, you know, they have a turtle or a duck or a frog as their logo and they sell everything at and T Verizon TMO. They sell 'em, all those guys tend to be cell phone hackers. They <laugh>, they whenever I have trouble, we have one down here they're smart. They know their business. And because they don't sell any one carrier, they sell, 'em all, they tend to know a lot about their phones, my experience, even in the company phone stores, they're not the, you know, the they're sales people.

Leo Laporte (01:40:19):
And certainly a woman at, at the kiosk at Sam's club is not gonna be the expert you want. So the fact that she's having difficulty doing this, I would say, bring it to an independent cell phone store if you really want to. But again, I never do this. I like the fresh start. You have a lot of storage and that 21 ultra, I don't think there's anything wrong with the S 21 ultra. I would just try, instead of trying to copy everything from the old S 10, just make sure the S 10 S backed up to Samsung and Google log into those accounts on the new phone. And, and it will automatically restore all that stuff. You might miss a few things like messages. I don't think message. I can't remember if messages copy over. Yeah, they should. That may be a function of who your carrier is at and T may not do that, but I think that's the best way to do it honestly. Instead of just, you know, doing the copy thing, the copy is slow and yeah, I, I agree. Not always the best Trey and font. Sorry, Troy and Fontana, California. Hi, Troy.

Caller #4 (01:41:22):
Hi Leo. How you doing?

Leo Laporte (01:41:23):
I'm well, how are you

Caller #4 (01:41:25):
Doing good. Doing good. Hey, so I need some help with our church projectors. We have to two of the Panasonic PT, R Z seven seventies. They're 7,200 lumen projectors. Nice. So they're decent projectors. We get really good picture out of it, but for some reason they keep dropping signal. 

Leo Laporte (01:41:47):
And H DMI, I

Caller #4 (01:41:49):
Have it's H I connected to the wifi ANet extenders. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:41:55):
So you're using balance to extend the cuz that's one problem with H DM. I, it sounds like there's a very long throw. It's a long distance between the projector and the computer. Yes, sir. Yeah. And so that's a good way to do it. You have an ethernet cable and at each end of it, it has a device that's converting it kinds of bits that can go over the ethernet cable. Maybe those are not high powered enough. How far is it going?

Caller #4 (01:42:24):
I would say probably about 80 to a hundred feet. Oh yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:42:28):
Yeah. So you, you probably tried H DM. I actually can't even get a hundred foot H DMI cable. So right. Are you using balance? What are you, did you buy a special cable? What did you, what did you get for the ethernet?

Caller #4 (01:42:41):
Yeah, so I the ethernet, I built the cable it's cap six. I tested it on both ends with my tester. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:42:47):
You, yeah. You, you know what you're doing?

Caller #4 (01:42:50):
Yeah. And the ATM, I extenders, we bought an off brand and so we used to a trip light. And so I on, so there's two projectors. I dropped in the trip light, the old one that we had onto the right side to try to test, maybe it was my ACMI extender. And the trip light still did the exact same thing. So I'm wondering if it could possibly be a video card issue or what would be dropping this? Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:43:13):
That's interesting.

Caller #4 (01:43:16):
Fades to a different color and then drops up and we just had our youth conference and it was, it

Leo Laporte (01:43:20):
Was, oh, that's bad. I'm gonna guess. It's not the video card I'm gonna guess interference. So be first thing trip. Light's good, but I always get cable matters stuff. They have HTMI standards. I would always go with cable matters. Just the best cables out there. They're not expensive, a hundred bucks per P for a pair. They go 300 feet, but I'm gonna guess more. The problem is interference somewhere along the way. So make sure that your ethernet, cable's not going near power adapter power is the biggest problem. 60 Hertz cycles getting in there. I think for that distance, that's most likely what's happening. Leo Laport, the TECA, you maybe go fiber optic. That's an interesting idea. I didn't even think of that.

Leo Laporte (01:44:16):
SDI, there's another option. That's what we do. We convert that might be a better choice for you also. We we have, we probably go John that farm, right? I mean a hundred feet anyway, way further than that. So what we do is we have from black, their HTMI to S D converters serial, do we buy black magic ones, John or, yeah, we use black magic's micro converters about 50 bucks. And they use USB power use cables or and then they, well, STI is not like E it's serial digital interface. And I think it's probably more robust. God knows. We run those wires. All they go up through the ceiling, there's all sorts of other stuff. Interference. Have we ever had any color drop out or anything? John? I think they're very reliable. Not with STI. So that might be the other thing to look at.

Caller #4 (01:45:08):
What about running them? Are they sensitive? I mean, cuz we gotta go through these you know, up the wall, down through the attic, down across

Leo Laporte (01:45:17):
That's exactly what we're doing. <Laugh> so the camera I'm looking at, right. Now's going up into the ceiling, it's got an H DMI micro converter to SDI the SDI. What does STI look like? Does it look like ethernet John or it looks like coax, right? Yeah. So it's like a coax. It's going up into the ceiling. It's going down. It's going over. It's looping. There's monitors right next to it. There's power supplies right next to it. It doesn't seem to care. STI works very well.

Caller #4 (01:45:46):
Okay. That then I'll definitely, it's probably more pricey

Leo Laporte (01:45:49):
Too. Right? Well the converters are only 50 bucks each, so it's a hundred bucks for the both ends. How much is S D as the SDI cable? It's just coax. Right John. So it's cheap.

Caller #4 (01:46:00):
Okay. And then you just get the connector kit to build the cable or, or do you buy 'em? You have to, I

Leo Laporte (01:46:05):
Would, well, you could they're terminated, but you can make your own coax. So you making your own ethernet cables. It's no different than making your own co yeah, I think it's easier cause there's no, there's not enough to match the wires up and all that stuff. You just it's just, you know, there's, it's one wire basically it's, it's two wires, it's positive and negative. So get along, you know, get a bunch, you can get coax cable on big reels. Yeah. And the so black matching micro adapters, 50 bucks, one on each end and they take it from H D I on both sides. And then, and how do you split it?

Caller #4 (01:46:41):
Cause we split it straight from the computer and it goes to a, you know, the monitor above my head at the machine. So I can see a local view of what's going on the screen. Does it have all that functionality?

Leo Laporte (01:46:54):
You could do that in HTMI with a switcher.

Caller #4 (01:46:57):
Okay. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Understood. Hey, real quick. I called I've called you a number of times. I called you last time about broadcasting, our church on livestream. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:47:06):
How's that working?

Caller #4 (01:47:07):
You know what? I ended up going with radio.co. Okay. The and it works perfect. I can put it on a webpage, put it you know, lock it down or unlock it. However we want to do it. I see all across the country. Who's listening in. So radio dot, I mean it's 30 bucks a month, but oh, that's not bad as a broadcast. Only solution. I love it. That's

Leo Laporte (01:47:31):
Not bad at all. That's a, that's great. R a D I o.co. So basically you're making an internet radio station.

Caller #4 (01:47:39):
Exactly. Yeah. Nice for broadcasting church service. Perfect.

Leo Laporte (01:47:42):
Yeah. It's so much easier if you just do an audio, everything's easier. <Laugh>

Caller #4 (01:47:48):
Yeah. And I, I didn't like mixer. That's the one we were using. Yeah. It just didn't have

Leo Laporte (01:47:54):
I, what do we use now, John? For our audio streams. Do you know? I can't remember what service we use

Caller #4 (01:47:59):
In and you use use 

Leo Laporte (01:48:01):
Well, it ends up on tune in, but our, but oh, okay. Yeah. I think we have a, a, yeah, we're using ice cast, but is a, there's a service that's doing that. I think, remember talking to I can't remember Russell set it up so we don't know. <Laugh> also, I would love to send you to Alex Lindsay's daily show. It's called office hours. Go to office hours, dot global experts in all this. And if you've got a thorny problem, you can go in there. They're all sitting on zoom all day long. And you can just ask questions. It's like having the smartest people in the world, just waiting for you to ask. 'em A question in this area.

Caller #4 (01:48:43):
Yeah. Cause <laugh>, cause I I'm like the multi hat tech guy, tech guy for everything in the,

Leo Laporte (01:48:47):
I can tell you're doing it all. Yeah.

Caller #4 (01:48:50):
Yes, sir. Good. Sound.

Leo Laporte (01:48:53):
Do they appreciate you? I hope they appreciate you. Oh

Caller #4 (01:48:56):
Yeah. Oh yeah. Good. You know, I, I keep myself busy and I love

Leo Laporte (01:49:00):
It. That's great. Troy. You're doing God's work so that's good. Even if they don't appreciate you down here, somebody up there will.

Caller #4 (01:49:08):
We were lucky to buy these projectors when, before COVID hit and they, the prices jumped up. We got 'em for $5,500 each. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:49:15):
All this stuff's gotten more expensive cuz people are trying to do remote and everything. Yeah. Yeah. They're beautiful. Good on you Troy. Well done.

Caller #4 (01:49:23):
Thank you, sir.

Leo Laporte (01:49:25):
Take care. All right.

Caller #4 (01:49:27):
You too. Bye. Bye.

Leo Laporte (01:49:30):
Boom, boom. These are the black magics we use. So they just have HTMI on one side and coax on the other.

Leo Laporte (01:49:47):
It's got in and out. Oh nice. It doesn't need a PSU cuz it uses USB power. Right? Right. Everybody's got a millions of those lying around. Oh nice. Is that good or bad? Oh <laugh> right, right. It says, oh I see something on you as B. Oh are you kidding? Oh, that's hysterical. So it goes up into the roof. Comes down here and then do you have another converter box from here? So it's STI in and out there. Oh the patch, the patch panel's over here. Oh this underneath. I didn't even know there was a patch under here. Oh yes. So there is <laugh> I'll be damned. <Laugh> what happens if I pull all these cables out and show 'em ha ha <laugh> we, we should take pictures, all that stuff and put it online so people can see what we're doing. You guys are amazing. They figured us all out. Man. They're talented, talented. A bunch of people talented. I'm telling you, man, it's talented, man. They're good, man.

Leo Laporte (01:51:26):
I get to go home and give Lisa to her presents. Yeah, we should really, we haven't done that in a long time. Wizarding. There's a lot of, a lot of technology under the, under the hood here. I should take a something for the club. I should take you underneath with a light. You'd have to have a light. I could take a picture. Oh I can airplay my phone. All right. Okay. Let me see here. This is Trixie. Okay. First gots to airplay airplay one. Okay. I'm tapping it. Nothing's happening. Okay. It says I'm mirroring to airplay one, but I don't see it.

Leo Laporte (01:52:16):
Okay. Now let's you don't see it either. Do you? Okay. Okay. So there's my feet. And then here is what John was talking about. So that's that's just a big patch bay with coax. What's going in here is that ethernet and the internet and the SDI is on those coaxes there. Oh the live wire also goes, that goes through ethernet, right? Yeah. That's on cat six. So the audio goes through cat six and the video goes through the coax and of course there's the internet. Hey, that's cool. I didn't know I could do this. I can give you a little tour. You wanna see the com Rees and now me. Well, Hey, Hey. Hey. How are you today? Leo LePort here. The tech guy, time to talk computers, the internet home Theo, digital photography, smart phones, smart watches. Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo that's the phone number? (888) 827-5536. Toll free from anywhere in the us or Canada outside that area. You could still call, but you'll have to use Skype or something like that. 88 88. Ask Leo back to the phones. We go mark on the line from Los Angeles. Hello mark.

Caller #5 (01:53:49):
Hey Leo. Hey. Oh, I, you know, I, I, I wanna discuss one thing here. It's the internet. We have two rivals here. We have meta

Leo Laporte (01:54:02):
Meta, the old Facebook, the artist formally known in is Facebook. Yes.

Caller #5 (01:54:08):
Yes. Yes. And there was one before that, that started in 2008.

Leo Laporte (01:54:13):
I'm gonna guess second life. Is that who you're talking about?

Caller #5 (01:54:17):
No, I'm on my other verse.

Leo Laporte (01:54:19):
Other what's the other verse. Yes,

Caller #5 (01:54:21):
Yes, yes, yes.

Leo Laporte (01:54:22):
Was it a metaverse like thing?

Caller #5 (01:54:26):
It's a exactly. Just like it. And it started with you. It's not, it's not O but you other verse. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:54:32):
<Laugh> making it a little harder to find. Okay. I searched for you O other verse. Now it's a dating network. Yes. Every avatar you meet in other verses another real person, but it's kinda like second life <affirmative>

Caller #5 (01:54:48):
Yeah. Oh, well, no.

Leo Laporte (01:54:49):
Have you, have you used it for dating? Mark? Have you used it to meet people?

Caller #5 (01:54:54):
I did use it back in the day. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:54:56):
It's still around

Caller #5 (01:54:57):
It. It, it, I'm telling it's a carbon copy of what meta

Leo Laporte (01:55:01):
Isn't that hysterical. It does look kinda like it wanted

Caller #5 (01:55:04):
To bring that. Yeah. I wanted to bring that attention to it and it, the site is still there, which is amazing. I was like, whoa. You know? Yeah. But however, yeah, I think Zuckerberg is, I'm surprised they didn't buy it. You know what I mean? Well,

Leo Laporte (01:55:18):
So this is the interesting question. You know, mark clearly wants everybody in the metaverse to be using his Facebook averse, but there are, as you point out, there are many others, not just other verse and second life, there are plenty of others. And so that's the question like you know, when you talk about the metaverse in the, in fiction and movies, it's always one thing, and everybody who uses it can meet together. Right. kinda like the internet is today, but it's not owned by anybody or is it,

Caller #5 (01:55:55):
Or I don't know. They were, they were trying to sell it like a couple years ago, I believe. But 

Leo Laporte (01:55:59):
In ready player one, it is, it's owned by a big evil corporation. Right. Actually originally owned by the guy. Let me, I'm trying to remember the plot originally owned by the game designer. But then the big evil corporation, which had a competing metaverse took it over and it was, that was the whole story. Wasn't it?

Caller #5 (01:56:17):
Yeah. Yeah. What the carbon copy. I mean, they, they were settling land just like me is trying to do. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:56:23):
Yeah. And not just laying virtual goods. That's where the money is. Yeah. Yeah.

Caller #5 (01:56:27):
And apartments and everything. So I, I believe it's a car copy. I just wanted to bring that to people's attention, you know? So Zucker bring like a, he didn't

Leo Laporte (01:56:36):
Invent it the old he didn't invent it. Yeah, yeah.

Caller #5 (01:56:40):
No, no. He didn't invent it. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

Leo Laporte (01:56:42):
He just wants to own it. <Laugh> mark. I appreciate, I've never heard of other verse. Yeah,

Caller #5 (01:56:49):
Yeah, yeah. It's a yeah, take it. It's been around for a long time, man. It's

Leo Laporte (01:56:52):
Kind of more adult now. I would say, you know, cuz oh yes, definitely adult, but see that's what happened to second life too, is it became kind of more adult. Sometimes it's kind of depressing. That's what happens in the world. <Laugh> it all becomes adult, you know it's now a elder versus a 3d social center meet real people register now make real friends party the night away, there are free virtual events. I'm reading the website and online activities happening 24 7 with millions of profiles that thousands of 3d. It does sound kind of like what Mark's thinking. Yeah. But

Caller #5 (01:57:29):
Yeah. Yeah. Check, check out that date when it started. Believe me, trust me. I I'm surprised that Zuckerberg didn't buy it up already. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:57:36):
He might not other verse where all the men are handsome and all the women <laugh>. Well, okay. See for yourself. <Laugh> thank you more. Yeah, of course. Mark Zuckerberg. Didn't invent this. And it's clearly a land grab. I'm sorry, but I'm not the most, I'm not a big Z fan or of a Facebook fan for that matter. And I, you know, the idea of a met averse, a virtual world that you could enter that would be, you know, almost as good as real life, maybe better in some ways has been around in science fiction for decades. And it's very attractive, very appealing. Although I have to point out in almost all the science fiction novels where it's a metaverse, whether it's ready player one or the original crash by Neil Stevenson or, you know, the cyber punk novels like neuro answer from William Gibson in every case that virtual world that you put on the visor, you wear a special suit or whatever to go into, or sometimes in neuro you actually Jack in, you have a, a hole in your neck that you plug into just like the matrix in every case and the matrix too, for that matter, the world you're escaping from the real world is horrific.

Leo Laporte (01:58:55):
It's a dystopia. You go into the metaverse cuz the real life is terrible.

Leo Laporte (01:59:01):
So that <laugh> so is that what Mark's Zuckerberg is saying is like yeah, we know it's gonna get pretty bad out here. So come on and, and visit us. And don't you think if you were gonna make a metaverse you'd want a metaverse like one me, I would think you'd want one metaverse at every like the internet, there's one internet. If, if something's on the internet, you know, you can go see it, right. You don't have to, well maybe that's not the case. I mean, certainly that's not how Facebook works and for a lot of people, I mean, certainly this was Facebook's plan to make it the internet for most people, you know, everything you wanna do on the internet, you do ins side of Facebook, but you need a Facebook account. So I guess that's what he's planning with a metaverse I kinda like the idea of a free and open place where you can make your own world and you know what? Yeah, there's gonna be adult stuff, but you don't have to go there <laugh> you could stay away from that and hang out with the, with a good people. The nice people, the fun people, 88 88, ask Leo the phone number Steven in LA is next. Hi Steven Leo Laporte, The Tech Guy.

Caller #6 (02:00:11):
Hey, Hey, thanks for taking the call.

Leo Laporte (02:00:13):
Thanks for calling.

Caller #6 (02:00:14):
Um well I appreciate your being there. So I have a question about updating the apps on my phone and I have a quick comment about updating to upgrade each to 11, which is kind of scared my pants off, but <laugh> my problem, a galaxy with 128 gigs of the thing. And so I get these updates and I don't just like blanket update everything. Cause a lot of the apps I don't even use. So I try to look to see, well, what do you want to update? And a lot of it even were apps that I do use it's like, I don't need to share with this or that or

Leo Laporte (02:00:45):
I don't need, oh, I so agree with you. So nowadays people make apps for, to kind of get more information about you. That's the real payoff for these apps. In many cases,

Caller #6 (02:00:57):
Facebook and messenger. It says no information from the developer. So I don't wanna increase, I don't wanna use up my 128 gigs of storage, especially for something that I don't need. So a lot of the apps even are the ones that I do. I just choose not to update them. The only thing I can think of is that like for security, but basically if it's telling me,

Leo Laporte (02:01:19):
Do you launch them? Do you ever run them or you just leave them there?

Caller #6 (02:01:22):
No, I, I, most of the apps I don't use and, and the ones that

Leo Laporte (02:01:27):
I well get rid, first of all, I would just get rid of apps you don't ever use. Okay. Anything you have installed on any device, whether it's a laptop, a phone, a computer mm-hmm <affirmative> brings in the potential of security flaws uses up space. If you're not using it, uninstall it. If it's an app and there are many Samsung apps, for instance, you can't uninstall, you can't disable them in the app settings. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> I would Uhhuh <affirmative> because even if you're not updating it, it's still in many cases able to look at your location, look at what you're doing. If you want real privacy, get rid of anything you don't use for sure. And then I think, I think not updating it is perhaps more risky. The good news, both Android and iOS now will tell you when you install a new app, Hey, this app wants permission to, and it will tell you what it's doing. And, and sometimes now the app, if you say, no, I don't give you permission. Won't run.

Caller #6 (02:02:29):
But well, I, I don't even, I don't even click update. I just look at to see

Leo Laporte (02:02:33):
And I would update. I think I you're asking the question, are you secure? If you use an app, keep it up to date. As soon as you launch it, you wanna keep it up to date. But you're right. Sometimes these updates do not improve these apps. So I guess I kind of understand, in fact, a lot of times it doesn't improve. It, it makes it worse. Or as you say, maybe starts spying on you more or ask for more permissions asks to be one of the things that everybody should be aware of is when it asks to look at your contacts in almost every case, it means it's uploading your entire contact list to their computers. So you're, you're kind of outing all your friends. You're sending your friends name, address, phone number to some third party. That's not nice. So yeah, I, I agree. That's a, even,

Caller #6 (02:03:23):
Even like the calculator app, it'll say you can now do this or that. So why don't need to do this or that?

Leo Laporte (02:03:28):
Well, you're in, you know, so this is I think an increasingly popular position enough already is the position <laugh> wait enough, stop. It's good enough. Do not fix it by making it worse and still updated. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it's not really a security issue. I guess a lot of times these apps will just stop working. If you don't update them, you know, you'll have to have the latest version to use them, but for the calculator app. Yeah. I don't see any security issue. Keep an eye. You know, you can look at the update, it'll tell you if it's fixing a security problem. If it is, then you definitely want it. Right.

Caller #6 (02:04:08):
Okay. Now, as far as when I upgraded to, I didn't hear your show about leaving 10 alone. So I went ahead into the 11 upgrade and then I got the scare of my life because when I went into my contacts, like to look up companies to pay bills and stuff, I, I, when I do the search, it would say no results found. And, and that lasted for about a week or so, where, and then, so I had to recreate passwords and stuff like that, but it's like, I could scroll down far enough to find it, but

Leo Laporte (02:04:37):
Oh, that's interesting. So that's one of the issues with upgrading an operating system. It can break things and because windows 11 is merely a cosmetic updated. It adds no new features take some features away, but mostly it's all about rounded corners and centering the start menu. There's no incentive to get windows 11 and there's some dis incentive. Cause I might break things.

Caller #6 (02:04:59):
But it eventually came back because it took a few weeks. Okay. But when I went in there, searches would come up. So apparently someone hollered and they went, oh, they need to search for their stuff.

Leo Laporte (02:05:11):
That's hysterical. So they broke some features. Yeah. Windows 11 when they first released, it really was not on, it's funny that you mentioned this. Cause I had this conversation. I do a windows podcast called windows weekly. I'm just the guy there. Paul throt Mary Jo Foer, the host they're the experts. But I raised this question with him. I said, I get calls all the time from people say, should I upgrade a windows 11? Especially now that windows 10 is bugging me to do so that's the new thing. And I said, what's your advice? <Laugh> and they hammed. And they hauled. Paul said, yeah, upgrade. It's not, it's mostly harmless. But it, and Mary Jo said, well, you know, windows, ten's gonna be secure through 2025. You can, when you see that popups prompting you to go to windows 11, look around on that window. Apparently there's a menu there. Three dots says that you can click that says stop asking me. I don't wanna see that anymore. If you can turn that off, I would live with windows 10, unless you have a really good reason to go to 11. I am on Al windows 11. It's pretty. I like how it looks. Didn't break anything for me. Didn't I didn't have search issues like you had.

Leo Laporte (02:06:21):
So, you know, I'm kind of equivocating. I don't. Yeah. If it's okay to upgrade a win as 11, but you don't have to. And there may be some good reasons not to. So unless you really say, yeah, I like how that looks. I wanna try it coming down the road in a, in six months, actually. I think next there's gonna be some feature updates to windows. 11. It may come to the point where you say, oh, I really would like that new thing. They now have a new media player. For instance, maybe I want that updated notepad. Maybe I want that. In which case it's okay to upgrade. It's safe to upgrade. Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo the phone number to Leo Laport. The guy, the GIW coming up more of your calls too. Gimme a ring. Let's talk.

Leo Laporte (02:07:21):
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Caller #1 (02:08:10):
Hey, how you doing? I'm good.

Leo Laporte (02:08:12):
How you doing?

Caller #1 (02:08:14):
I'm right. So I've got a comment for the, for the gentleman that have important issues. Yeah. For his new iPhone 13 or for his new iPhone. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:08:21):
He wants to move the, move his date over from his Samsung. S 10 to this S 21. Yeah.

Caller #1 (02:08:28):
So, so the people at when I went to, when I went to Verizon, I'm going at and T today. But when I went to Verizon, they told me to go to best buy people. They're the best. And they, and they are, they are the best.

Leo Laporte (02:08:41):
Okay. So the geek they call 'em the geek squad. You're recommending the geek squad. Yeah,

Caller #1 (02:08:47):
Well, yeah. Yeah. they, and they sell and they sell multiple brands of phones for multiple carriers.

Leo Laporte (02:08:53):
Now how much did they charge you to do the port? <Affirmative> nothing. Nothing. Oh, that's nice. I like them more now. Good. So there that's a good recommendation. Many people have best buys in their neighborhood that, that they've become the kinda go-to place for tech support more. Yes.

Caller #1 (02:09:12):
I got one more. One more. If you find a manager you find a manager that works for at and T. I got four brand new phones from, at T to the today. And they charge me only taxes and I got the new iPhone 13. I got the and I got three new S 21 ultra phones. You

Leo Laporte (02:09:35):
Got 4,000 do worth of phones for nothing. What did you give them your first born or you just have to be a customer for the next hundred years.

Caller #1 (02:09:45):
Just a

Leo Laporte (02:09:46):
Customer. That's good. You are, you, you must be, oh, were you on Verizon? And they woo you over

Caller #1 (02:09:54):
Well and my wife she's on. She's on, but we're all going over. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:09:59):
That's why you're bringing them a windfall. Yeah. Yeah. You're gonna be paying a hundred bucks a month for the next 20 years.

Caller #1 (02:10:08):
That's all right though.

Leo Laporte (02:10:09):
No, it's a good deal. You got, you got the, how much I'm paying. All of them are advertising that. And I always wondered, do you really get the free iPhone? That seems like a, so boy, not only do you get a free, fine, you got some, how much

Caller #1 (02:10:18):
I'm paying. Do you know how much I'm paying with Verizon for just two services? My phone and my tablet. How much I'm paying 180

Leo Laporte (02:10:26):
O I, I know cuz <laugh> I have, I have an account with Verizon at and T T-Mobile and sprint. I don't know what's happening to that and no more Google fine. I have and mint mobile, but that's cuz I re you know, I have to play with 'em all and review 'em all, but you're right. I think you can get a better deal, especially if you're bringing that whole crew over with you. Of course. That's that's great. So <affirmative>, you know, it strikes me like if, if probably it's a two year deal, I would guess maybe if every two years you just said, me and my family we're coming over, you'd get free phones. I mean, you're paying for it. Of course. Cuz they're, you know, putting that amount of money in, in your monthly fee. Well, interesting inter I was one I've I've seen the ads, you know, with the lollipops, we're gonna give you a big lollipop and you a big lollipop. They all say that Verizon says it too. Existing customers and new customers. And I always wondered, well, is that, what do you get really? You get like a $20 Samsung phone. The a 32 that no one, no, sounds like you're getting a good phone. Leo Laport, the tech guy,

Leo Laporte (02:11:50):
Leo Laport, the tech guy, eighty eight, eighty eight as Leo. The phone number, the GIZ DeBartolo coming up in just a minute. Well 10 anyway, Jeffrey on the line from Los Angeles. Hi Jeffrey Leo LePort here.

Caller #6 (02:12:06):
Hi Leo. Hey, it is so good to talk to you again. I talked to you a few years

Leo Laporte (02:12:11):
Ago. Nice to talk to you again then

Caller #6 (02:12:13):
And you have turned me into a complete geek and I appreciate it. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:12:17):
It's the triumph of the

Caller #6 (02:12:19):
Geeks. Hey, you know what I just did. I first talked to you about trying to power a a laptop from the car directly. Oh yeah. Okay. And I gave up on that, just use the power Inri and give up on it. Yeah. basically my question right now is I've just to inform you, I took two different Chromebooks and put Lennox on 'em alongside of Chrome OS and I'm so happy.

Leo Laporte (02:12:45):
Did you do the dual boot or did you use the Croton method? The built-in method.

Caller #6 (02:12:50):
I did one on one and one on the other, the Croton method works. Excellent. And it puts you BTU on there? Yeah. Yeah. And it's excellent. And I did it on an AER C 72, 20 and a, a Chromebook 11 G4. Nice. And I had to use a different script for each one cuz the regular Cuan would only work on the C 20, a different one worked on. And I just did this yesterday and today. This is

Leo Laporte (02:13:18):
The Croton is the approved, the Google approved method for adding Linux to a Chromebook. And it's kind of, it's running in a, what they call a little Charu. It's running in a little kind of world of its own on the Chromebook. And it's actually a great way to add some interesting features to it. And then, you know, dual booting, well now you have a computer that does either. Or the, the thing about the Croton method is the Chromebook is already running Linux. So it's not such a big deal to, to make it run a full version of Linux as well. And then if you know it, you know, not enough to do that, then you have a real computer. You

Caller #6 (02:13:53):
Know what I love it. What I'm trying to do right now is modify it so I can get a a USB or an SD card to boot a different form of <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (02:14:04):
Oh, you're a, you're what we call a hacker Jeffrey. I'm

Caller #6 (02:14:08):
Working on it right to the point, not waste too much of your time. Okay. I have a Lenovo N 23 that apparently is a windows machine with was built with slightly different. It looks like a Chromebook if you take it apart. But I think it's got architecture that's meant for windows.

Leo Laporte (02:14:28):
Oh, I'm sure it is. I mean, Lenovo does sell computers with Linux on it, but I think they're, they're the same really as the computers they sell with windows on it, you said it's an N 23. Is that what you said?

Caller #6 (02:14:40):
Yes, sir. And my question would be to you is I don't have the, the password cuz I bought it from somebody else or the, to go into the F two menu to get to the I can't from USB. So I can't put Linux on it. So

Leo Laporte (02:14:55):
It is, it is a it is a Chromebook.

Caller #6 (02:14:59):
It is, isn't it? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:15:01):
So but as with many Chromebooks you could run either Lin, Linux, windows, or Chromebook, you know, Chromeo S on it, the issue with the Chromebook is there is a sometimes it's a physical switch sometimes is a software switch that locks out other stuff. So that, and that's part of the security feature so that you, you can't somebody can't compromise your boot system. So you have to figure out how to disable in effect, put it into developer mode. That's what they call it. If you could put it into developer mode, you should be able to do anything you want with a including put Linux on it. You already know that cuz you did it with your other

Caller #6 (02:15:36):
Chromebook. Yeah. 23. Can I do that?

Leo Laporte (02:15:39):
I'm gonna get, you know, I think that's a feature of all ChromeOS devices. This one's intended for schools. It's kind of a, dare I say it kind of a cheapy

Caller #6 (02:15:49):
There. Can I just ask you this specific question? Yeah. some of these people have put on the internet that you can short two on startup. You can short, I would rather use a 220 own resistors to short the two pins on the chip and then that'll let you go into bias and then 

Leo Laporte (02:16:10):
Be careful <laugh> if you don't have the password as a Chromebook, I think a good power wash it. 

Caller #6 (02:16:17):
Know that's really a, a Chromebook Chromebook it's been set up so that

Leo Laporte (02:16:21):
Yeah, it's a school. Somebody had it at school probably. Yes. And it was locks down. Yeah.

Caller #6 (02:16:27):
And can I short something out or yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:16:30):
Yeah. It's you know, sometimes they, so you've seen this a lot of times they'll have little jumpers, just two little prongs and there's little plastic clip. That's basically where you're doing it. You're jumpering part of it. I would, you know, I mean, you're getting it from the internet, so it's gotta be right. Right. Well,

Caller #6 (02:16:48):
Here's what my problem is for $30 on eBay, you can get the motherboard and supposedly it wouldn't have a code on it. And I'm thinking about doing that. Well, I would

Leo Laporte (02:16:59):
Try the jumper method first. If you can replace the motherboard for 30 bucks, do the jumper method. I've done everything. Oh. And it didn't work. It doesn't work.

Caller #6 (02:17:08):
Ah, I see. But you saying, when you say the jumper method, are you talking about what I was talking about? Well,

Leo Laporte (02:17:14):
You said CPU, is it really putting a resistor on the traces of the CPU?

Caller #6 (02:17:18):
Well, no I'm saying use a resistor instead of shorting it so that you don't blow the chip up.

Leo Laporte (02:17:23):
No they're designed. I think if it's a prong that sticks up, it's designed to be jumper. It's not, oh, it's not is

Caller #6 (02:17:32):
The bias ship taking the two pins and shortening

Leo Laporte (02:17:36):
'Em out. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. How about taking out the battery and letting and seeing what happens after a little bit does not work. Doesn't work either.

Caller #6 (02:17:45):
I tried it for 24 hours and shorted it out and everything.

Leo Laporte (02:17:48):
I'm not an expert on how you recover this. I would you're gonna have to trust the internet <laugh> but since it's only 30 bucks to replace some motherboard, I'd try everything else. First before, before you buy a new motherboard, you might have the same problem with a new motherboard.

Caller #6 (02:18:04):
That's correct.

Leo Laporte (02:18:05):
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's somebody like you who got this thing, maybe get at it as, from a school that had a hundred of 'em. They were decommissioning. Couldn't figure out what to do with it. So is selling the motherboards on eBay. You may just be buying somebody else's unju motherboard. Yes. Yeah. Right. It's not a great, it's the screen's not touch. And they're selling these for 75 bucks. Right? Okay. This is not a honestly we've had this conversation too on our windows weekly show. I don't think anybody is that you're doing anybody a service by selling something that cheap, that junkie, because it's, it's like, it's not gonna get used. It's gonna be a very bad experience. And it's gonna sour people's experience so much the, it, they may say, oh, I hate computers. I hate 'em. They're awful.

Leo Laporte (02:18:54):
How can anybody ever use one? We've seen this happen? What happened with netbooks? When for, for a while, the PC industry decided, well, everybody wants a $200 computer. Well, I guess we could put windows XP on. It was terrible. And it soured a lot of people's opinions of computing, the Vic 20. Remember that back years ended up in people's closets, cuz it just was so underpowered and so useless. So while I hate it that, you know, computers, you, you really need to spend a few hundred bucks for a computer, but that's the case. And, and you'd be better off, you know, going to the library and using the computer at the library. If you can't, cuz you're just wasting your money, you're throwing your money away in my opinion. And it's not doing anybody, any service, you know, we had this debate. I mean, I understand there's other points of view.

Leo Laporte (02:19:40):
Some people say, well, you know, if people can't afford it, at least there's a, you know, there's a $75 computer out there they can get. Yeah, I guess so <laugh> I guess so is it, is it you know, if you buy a hammer, if you can't afford a good hammer, so you buy a hammer, that's just a rock attached to a stick cuz it's you can afford it. It's cheap. And then the minute you use it, the rock flies off and hits you in the face. Did, was that a, was that a good economy? Was that a good savings?

Leo Laporte (02:20:18):
I mean I'm, I guess this Lenovo N 23, ain't gonna fly off and hit you in the face, but you might <laugh> it might be just as unpleasant. It's sad. You know, the reason this came up as Microsoft is selling a $200 windows device, cuz they wanna compete with Chromebooks. Again, it's a, you know, slow, hard to use bad ergonomics, but it is a computer. And if you, I guess if you can't afford anything else, it, it doesn't actually fly off and hit you in the head. I just, I, I, you know, there's just is a $200 car. If that's all you can afford, is that better than nothing? I don't know. I don't know. 88, 88 Lia. We are gonna find out what kind of junk you can buy for a couple of bucks by talking to the GI with he's coming up, he's famous for the in GMOs and the gadgets. We'll see what he's got for us this week. Leo LePort the tech guy stay right here.

Leo Laporte (02:21:28):
Well, you can, by the way I, you know, this song is forever spoiled for me because the red cross says that's what you should be singing when you're doing chest compressions. So you do it at the right speed. Oh my goodness. Yeah. But now I hear the song and I think I'm, somebody's dying. Oh, I see. It's time. Have you, then you're staying alive. See you get it staying alive. Yeah. I, I, I do get it. Yeah. It's Dickie, Bartolo mad. Magazine's mad writer and a disco man to his very boots. He's wearing snow boots today cuz he's in New York city. Exactly. Hi Dickie D how are you? I'm great. Sun shining. Yeah. We had was a little frosty. Last night was a little chilly. We didn't have any snow though. How much snow did you end up getting? Let's see in the backyard right now is about 10 inches. Wow. so it is wow. Well they were saying one to two feet. So

Dick DeBartolo (02:22:25):
10

Leo Laporte (02:22:26):
I'll I'll think. Okay. It wasn't as bad as it could have been, I guess.

Dick DeBartolo (02:22:28):
Yeah. but who I feel sorry for is I went to my first show in two years Thursday with Dennis

Leo Laporte (02:22:36):
Show. What do you mean show musical a boat show.

Dick DeBartolo (02:22:39):
A boat show. Boat show. Oh yeah. The boat show. Okay. You know the jabs before you can even enter you average, you have to show the vaccination and photo ID. And I, I figured the boat show was gonna be on the small side, which it was the amazing thing. Leo, I would've run into Johnny jet because the travel show would be running at the same.

Leo Laporte (02:23:00):
Unfortunately of course he didn't go because you know, no.

Dick DeBartolo (02:23:04):
And, and also they pushed the travel show off, I think for two weeks, I'm surprised

Leo Laporte (02:23:08):
They did the boat show.

Dick DeBartolo (02:23:09):
Yeah, I was too. And I figured I'm just gonna go. I said to Dennis, if we go and it's crowded, we just, you know, get a lift and, and go back home. Right. But it, the plenty of, plenty of room for walking, but I found something. I know you said earlier that always the cheap stuff. Right? So this is cheap. Yeah. Compared to what you can buy at the boat show. Oh, all right. That's

Leo Laporte (02:23:33):
I want a boat, you know, I've always dreamt of having a boat. I

Dick DeBartolo (02:23:35):
Know this is not, this is not big enough for you. Okay. <laugh> but it's a very interesting concept. So you know, the company called C do.

Leo Laporte (02:23:44):
Yeah, of course they make ski skidoos. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:23:48):
Yeah. Personal watercraft a little bit. Okay. So I go to this, I'm walking by the sea, the sea do booth and I see this big pontoon boat in there. And I said to the guy, are you making this? And he said, yeah. I said,

Leo Laporte (02:24:01):
You know, I wanna I'll take a pontoon boat. Those are fun.

Dick DeBartolo (02:24:04):
Yeah. I'll I, I go up and he said, well, it's a, Tripo

Leo Laporte (02:24:09):
Tripo is one better than a pontoon. It's a trim. ITTO it's a trim. It's what it is.

Dick DeBartolo (02:24:16):
What it is, is that the center section is based on a personal watercraft. And so it's very speedy.

Leo Laporte (02:24:25):
So it's like ski, like a jet ski engine. Yes. And then they built a thing around it.

Dick DeBartolo (02:24:33):
That is correct. And it has a jet ski steering wheel, which is actually a steering ball.

Leo Laporte (02:24:39):
Oh, I could see it. The guy he's actually looks like he's riding a motorcycle on the that's exactly. Right.

Dick DeBartolo (02:24:44):
Exactly. Right. And the interesting thing about that is in a boat, you can have three to four and a half turns on a steering wheel to go from port to shore

Leo Laporte (02:24:55):
With this it's

Dick DeBartolo (02:24:56):
Easy. Exactly. Yeah. And he said, so this eliminates one thing, people who are buying a first boat, worry so much about being able to dock this would

Leo Laporte (02:25:06):
Be easy to drive cuz you know how to drive a bicycle or a motorcycle or, or a jet ski. Yes, exactly.

Dick DeBartolo (02:25:12):
But the other clever thing is the guy said, and the deck think of it as a set of Legos. All the furniture has a little lock on the bottom. Yeah. So you can put the chairs any way you want. Oh I

Leo Laporte (02:25:24):
Like that. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (02:25:25):
Everything except the helm is movable and, and it starts at I wrote down the price here. It starts at about $18,000 with a hundred

Leo Laporte (02:25:37):
For a jet ski. It's like 10,000. So

Dick DeBartolo (02:25:41):
Yeah, no absolute. And you can ski you off this. You can bring family

Leo Laporte (02:25:45):
Members. I, you know, what would make this a no brainer? Cuz my wife likes to jet ski. She she's a standup jet skier. She's crazy. If I could detach the jet ski from this thing for her and then put it back in the pontoon boat for me,

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:02):
You know, they should it consider that.

Leo Laporte (02:26:04):
Yeah. It's like a convertible jet ski.

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:07):
<Laugh> that, that, that would be

Leo Laporte (02:26:08):
A good idea. That's too hard. Maybe it'd fall apart when you were sailing around at I that's

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:12):
Probably, especially if you're gonna go water skiing, you don't want it to suddenly disconnect at the wrong time. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:26:20):
Oh, Hey, this boat you thought you were in. It's now a jet ski. Everybody. Hold on. Yeah, you're right. That's not gonna work.

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:27):
Where's the family. I that's not, I was pushing the family around and now I'm by

Leo Laporte (02:26:31):
Myself. Pontoon boats are fun though. They're fun. They're easy. They're yeah. Nice.

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:37):
Nice. And so the shipping them they just started building, we said three weeks ago. So the shipping to full LA right now because they can buy them right away. Sure. What's the

Leo Laporte (02:26:47):
Top speed on that thing?

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:50):
It can go up to the big one can go. I think he said 43 or 42

Leo Laporte (02:26:54):
Miles an hour. Yeah. Miles or not. Miles. Miles still. That's fast.

Dick DeBartolo (02:26:59):
No, that is fast. Whoa. Well you can get up to a 230 horsepower engine. So these guys are, are

Leo Laporte (02:27:08):
Nice. Yeah. Well there you go. I know I'm gonna run out and buy this $18,000 gizmo, if you wanna see more about this, got webpage GI wiz.biz. G I Z w I Z dot B I Z. And if you go there, you'll see a blue button on the right. Says the GWiz visits. The tech guy, lots of other buttons though. Gadgets. He shows every month on ABC's world news. Now, what are you? What are you doing that next?

Dick DeBartolo (02:27:35):
Let's see. We're working on it only because toy fair just got canceled. Oh, so I, that was supposed, when

Leo Laporte (02:27:41):
Will life go back to normal Dick first?

Dick DeBartolo (02:27:46):
They can't, you know what I, I know I am getting very depressed because now this is two years,

Leo Laporte (02:27:54):
Two years without toys. This is insanity. <Laugh> think of the children. Bring the toys back. <Laugh> I guess you're gonna have toys without toy. Fair but toy for so much fun for the grownups to get to play with toys for

Dick DeBartolo (02:28:08):
Work. No, I'm gonna miss that. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:28:11):
You can also see the, what the heck is. It's a chance to win an autograph copy of mad magazine by identifying these little green looks like maybe washers for a hose. It's the anti leak device for a hose. How about that? You so you could send that in. Yeah. So here's the deal. You there, there's up to eight. I'm sorry. Six mad magazines for the right answer, but there's up to 12 for the wrong answer. So never answer right. You double your odd if I'm not mistaken. No you yes. Stupidity counts. <Laugh> Dick also has a great podcast. The GIZ whiz podcast@gizwhiz.tv with his friend, Chad Johnson, the old redhead and you and you and what do you, so when it snows 18 inches in New York, what do you do? Do you just stay inside? You said you walk down to the boat.

Leo Laporte (02:29:05):
Well, no, there's no Marine anymore. No boat anymore. Oh you sold all your boats so you don't have to go anywhere. And the Marine is abandoned. Yeah. Really build a new one. The whole Marine is, oh, that's right. They're gonna build a new one. They're gonna build a new one. Yeah, no, I just went down to see the kids SL it and yeah. Thinking it's fun also to walk down right down the middle of Broadway, just right, right down the center line. There. Nobody around it's empty. Except for that. It's the 1 0 4 still running. I would not do that for you. <Laugh> especially. <Laugh> the 1 0 4. The bus. Is that the, the bus? The bus? Yeah, the bus. And then the eight, the snow driver, snow plow, drivers driving 80 miles an hour. Cuz they got a lot of snow to plow. Exactly.

Leo Laporte (02:29:47):
Dick DeBartolo, the Giz Wiz up is thank you. Dickie D. Okay buddy. See you next week. Have a wonderful week. You too, sir. Take care. I want to thank,uall of our huge, vast team that makes the tech guy possible. There's professor Laura, our musical director and there's Kim Shaffer, our phone angel and there's our studio manager, John Lenina. And I also wanna, I, I, this would be a good time celebrating 15 years,uuwith the premier networks, the syndicated show, the tech guy show in 18 years with KFI in Los Angeles to thank Robin. Bertolucci a KFI for giving me a shot and uJulie Alba at premier networks for,uletting me go big time. I appreciate it. It's been,uit's been a good run and it's not over yet. I hope lots more. <laugh> lots more to come.

Leo Laporte (02:30:39):
Lo Laporte, The Tech Guy. I want each and every one of you to have a great geek week, stay safe. We'll see you next time. Byebye. Well, that's it for The Tech Guy show for today. Thank you so much for being here and don't forget. Twit T W I T it stands for This Week in Tech and you'll find it at TWiT.tv, including the podcasts for the show. We talk about Windows and Microsoft on Windows Weekly, Macintosh on MacBreak Weekly iPads. I iPhones Apple watches on iOS. Today's security on Security Now. I mean, I can go on and on and on. And of course the big show every Sunday afternoon, This Week in Tech, you'll find it all at TWiT TV and I'll be back next week with another great Tech Guy show. Thanks for joining me. We'll see you. Next time.