MacBreak Weekly Episode 815 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for MacBreak Weekly. Andy, Alex, and Rene are here. There is news. The new studio display finally gets the update. We've been waiting for Mikah Sargent will demonstrate the new look camera. We'll also talk about the future of Twitter, of course, and all the rumors about the iPhone 14. It's just around the corner. So is MacBreak Weekly. Next.

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Leo Laporte (00:00:38):
This is MacBreak Weekly episode, 815 recorded Tuesday, April 26th, 2022. Now with less potato, this episode of MacBreak Weekly is brought to you by eight sleep. Good sleep is the ultimate game changer and nature's best medicine. Go to eight. Sleep.Com/Macbreak to check out the pod pro cover and save $150 at checkout eight. Sleep currently ships within the us Canada and the UK. And by Wealthfront to start building your wealth and get your first $5,000 managed for free for life. Go to and buy it pro TV. Give your team in engaging it development platform to level up their skills volume discounts. Start at five seats. Go to it. Pro.Tv/MacBreak, and make sure to mention MacBreak 30 to your designated it pro TV account executive to get 30% off or more on a business plan. It's time for MacBreak Weekly. The show we cover the latest new news from Apple and I am assured that there is news from Apple. We'll see <laugh> Alex Lindsay is here from he taking a break from office hours global, the 24 7 Sabado jute. Hello Alex.

Alex Lindsay (00:01:58):
How's it going? We, we recover in NEB yesterday and we just oh yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:02:01):
That's right. When did it start?

Alex Lindsay (00:02:05):
It started on Saturday. I think it started Saturday and then the expo I think, opened on Sunday and we just had some folks that a couple weeks before decided, Hey, we're just gonna go and cover it. And so office hours ran, I think for three extra hours or four extra hours yesterday. And they just roamed around and, and showed us stuff that was there. And some of it was great. And some of it was a little rough, but it was all, but the funny thing is I got a, I got a comment from someone said, yeah, it's a little, it's a little rough around the edges ago, but it's better than everybody else's stream. <Laugh> like, it's more interesting. Yeah. There's a bunch of geeks all geeking out and talking about it, content wise, it was great contents

Leo Laporte (00:02:38):
All matters.

Alex Lindsay (00:02:39):
Yeah. And but, but it's like, it's like a team of like 20 people around the world, like running this little show. And so it was so we're, we're already warming up for the next one. It was a huge success. I

Leo Laporte (00:02:47):
Will be querying you later on the highlights so that yeah. You know, those of us who don't wanna watch an eight hour presentation must get the five minute prese. Andy Ihnatko is also here. Speaking of pre C, he is, he is precious. He is at w GB H in Boston and is a regular right here. Hello, Andrew. And of course, hello.

Andy Ihnatko (00:03:10):
I've been called precious in quite a while. Thank you very much. This

Leo Laporte (00:03:13):
Is he's my precious pretty kind. We, we likes him. My precious and Rene Richie is here, which is a good thing because Richie, there is a breakthrough, a breakthrough in the Apple studio, display firmware. And I know about it because Rene tweeted it moments ago and update to the studio. Firmware is now available with today's beta release of Mac OS Monterey 12.4. This beta update is refinements to the studio, display camera tuning, including improved noise reduction, contest and framing. So yes, yes. Have you installed already?

Rene Ritchie (00:03:54):
I, I couldn't because it would've stopped me doing the show.

Leo Laporte (00:03:57):
No, go ahead. Because you,

Rene Ritchie (00:03:57):
You have to go through a

Leo Laporte (00:03:59):
No, go ahead. Do it right now. <Laugh>

Rene Ritchie (00:04:01):
I, well, I'd have to say you have to, you have to, you have to have the beta. I don't have the beta running on my production machine, so I'd have to get a Mac that has the beta on it. Oh. And then update the beta of Macs and then update the studio display. Yeah, it was a little bit like I would've done it if it was just like a, you know, a couple button push.

Leo Laporte (00:04:14):
I know who could do

Rene Ritchie (00:04:15):
It. Meltdown

Leo Laporte (00:04:17):
Mic. A Sergeant has the studio display. He's sitting at home and nothing to do, just watching this show. Micah, why don't you do it? And then you could call in and show us the brand new look on the camera. <Laugh> yes.

Andy Ihnatko (00:04:29):
Yeah. They, they, no, no. One's had, it looks like no, one's had time to actually install it yet. But Apple confirmed to the verge that the, the main thrust of this is to fix both the quality of the camera and the of center stage and how well it tracks and follows people. So essentially it's this thing that we promised you wouldn't suck will now suck less.

Alex Lindsay (00:04:49):
I, I, my only request is that there's a headroom. I just need a, a headroom slider, like less headroom, you know, for the,

Leo Laporte (00:04:56):
Oh yeah. The center stage always puts you stage,

Alex Lindsay (00:04:58):
Got a headroom center.

Leo Laporte (00:05:00):
Is that what it's doing? Center

Alex Lindsay (00:05:01):
Center, but it's just like,

Leo Laporte (00:05:02):
So that's, if I were down here.

Alex Lindsay (00:05:04):
Yeah. <Laugh> yeah. I mean, it's, it's always, it's always centering the, when they say center stage, they mean center stage. It's like the center of the stage of, of the

Leo Laporte (00:05:12):
Center. I know, cuz I use it to, I use my iPad pro to talk to my mom and I'm constantly tilting it forward and then it slides me back down. Oh yeah.

Rene Ritchie (00:05:20):
Know where it wants you

Leo Laporte (00:05:22):
So frustrating. But

Rene Ritchie (00:05:23):
Once, once they were done with the verge, I gotta speak to them very briefly as well. And the, my takeaway, my total extrapolation, not, not putting it on them is that it has got the same hardware and the same software as the, and the same chip set as the iPad nine. And it'll finally gonna behave as though it has the same camera and the same chip set and the same software where as the iPad nine.

Leo Laporte (00:05:43):
So that's pretty, pretty good.

Leo Laporte (00:05:45):
Right. Yeah.

Rene Ritchie (00:05:46):
It was buggy in that, what it was doing was over expul. Like it basically wasn't allowing any contouring, any con like what they call contrast. It was just image, stacking, all the shadows away, all the highlights away. So you looked completely flat and it's fixing that it was similar to the fix. I believe with the iPhone 10 S when that first came out. Oh. And we had like smooth gate where everyone felt like they were beauty filtering them, but it was really here's,

Leo Laporte (00:06:04):
Here's a, the example from NELI Patel's initial review of it and you can see how soft it is. In fact it's so soft. It makes that model three on it. Shelf look like a cyber truck. It's that bad. Yes. So, yeah. So we'll see Neil, I'm sure we'll post updates. You have to have the, a beta of Monterey on your system. Is that right? And then you can update your display by going to software update. You'll get firmware version 15 dot five. And then if anybody in the audience does it, <affirmative> go to, or go into our discord and say, I did it. Let me show you. And you can put, give us some pictures. Cause I'd love before the show's over. And God knows you have five or six hours before the show's over. I would love it. If you I've

Rene Ritchie (00:06:51):
Thought an office hours, Leo,

Leo Laporte (00:06:52):
I mean, oh, only too, but you

Rene Ritchie (00:06:53):
Have more viewers in CNN plus like we're not

Leo Laporte (00:06:55):
Office hours. Holy cow, who doesn't. Right, right. <Laugh> who doesn't. So she

Andy Ihnatko (00:07:00):
Fixes the lighting problem, but I hear that now everybody gets a synthetic D scar.

Leo Laporte (00:07:04):
<Laugh> wouldn't that be funny? Just a little Dan cheek, you know? Yeah. Glad

Rene Ritchie (00:07:10):
They totally could.

Leo Laporte (00:07:12):
You know, this is an Apple show and we're gonna talk 99.9% about Apple. Oh the wait a minute. The public Mac beta is not out yet. Oh, Micah says he's downloading it. Cause he must have the dev version. Okay.

Rene Ritchie (00:07:27):
I would not be surprised If they, if they front load as many of the betas as possible just to get people in trying this out. Yeah. So like just keep checking.

Leo Laporte (00:07:34):
So Mr. Mic is

Rene Ritchie (00:07:36):
All the betas are out too. Thank

Leo Laporte (00:07:37):
You, sir. He's taking a big chance. He's putting, he's putting the beta on his beautiful new me studio and he's gonna, and

Rene Ritchie (00:07:46):
He's an actual good looking person. So like he, like, if this does badly by him, it's gonna be,

Leo Laporte (00:07:49):
That's a good point. You

Rene Ritchie (00:07:50):
Know? He's not like us. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:07:51):
That that's a good point. He's almost as good looking as Kneely Patel. So,

Rene Ritchie (00:07:56):
Oh, he's way. Come on Leo. Like

Leo Laporte (00:07:58):
If I was gonna scale it, like

Rene Ritchie (00:07:59):
Mike is a good 10 above. Most of us humans.

Leo Laporte (00:08:01):
Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. We went to the butter and eggs day parade together on Saturday Mike and I, yeah.

Rene Ritchie (00:08:09):
People SW like he watched

Leo Laporte (00:08:11):
People, he got all the attention. Yeah. It's like, I didn't exist standing next to him

Andy Ihnatko (00:08:16):
Last week. That fellow from the roto GRA viewer was his butt all way through that Easter parade made the rest of us who will put just as much effort into it. Feel like we've been slighted,

Leo Laporte (00:08:26):
Frankly. Smile for the bird. Am Mr. Sergeant. I'd like to put your image into tomorrow's bulletin. Alright. Since, since we are gonna talk more about Apple stuff and we will, I hope before the end of the show have some images from the update. May I indulge you because I'm just dying to ask everybody I see on the street. What do you think I was all week, last week saying, oh, Elon doesn't want TWiTtter. Why would he want TWiTtter? He's either trolling us or pumping and dumping so he can make more money on his stock. And lo and behold, over the weekend, Elon Musk buys TWiTtter.

Rene Ritchie (00:09:04):
You think he baked, bought TWiTtter? Is that what you're saying? Leo? Like, he just like, he's like, I'm gonna buy TWiTtter. Oh, oh no. I bought,

Andy Ihnatko (00:09:09):
It was, you know, it was, it was the fact that he said that he said last week that his one and only offer ended in four 20 on the week of four 20, I'd say, okay, Elon got bored and decided he wanted a little bit. You could, you wanted some more attention cookies. And but yeah, but now yesterday it's like, oh, I'll be damn. He, the bastard actually managed to actually successfully put in that bid. Do

Leo Laporte (00:09:33):
We think he can he's spent spending, what 43 billion do we think he can leveraging himself? He can, he's taking it private. Yeah. All the shareholders will get $54 and 20 cents per share.

Rene Ritchie (00:09:47):
No equity for employees with stock options

Andy Ihnatko (00:09:49):
Though that,

Leo Laporte (00:09:49):
Well, yeah, the stock options they say, we'll continue to vest over the roughly six months. It'll take to close the deal. But at that point, what, you gotta sell it before you, before you turn off the lights that night. 

Alex Lindsay (00:10:02):
I, I think that's probably the biggest challenge that he has is, is maintain, is yeah. Is hand, is man maintaining his employees because they're

Leo Laporte (00:10:08):
Compensated with options in the bay

Alex Lindsay (00:10:09):
Area. Yeah. In the bay area, you, I either have to pay people a lot more or you have to give them stock options. And so lot of people may become mobile pretty quickly. And that's, that's, that's gonna be a, a problem for, for him. I mean, I, I think that there are places that he could, you know, I think that there's some stuff you could do to TWiTtter that would make it better to read. I don't know if it would make a better business, but I think that, you know, he's talked about confirming every post is done by a human which will drive some people crazy. You know, I think that he may close up a lot of the APIs and automatic stuff that, that TWiTtter does because that makes it easier for bots to get in. And so I think that there are, there are some things like, I, I personally think that I've, I've often said that I think they should put two factor authentication on every tweet. Like, Hey, you really wanna tweet, probably be good for people who are, who are you know, drunk tweeting, because they would they wouldn't be able to figure out how to make it work. So so I think that, but I think that making it a little adding friction, I think would probably improve the conversation though. It may not it may not be a good business model.

Leo Laporte (00:11:08):
Yeah. He may not care. He may just say, well, I wanna own it. I'm not gonna make any money on it. That's $43 billion down the drain. But now I can make TWiTtter. Well, I always wanted, but the problem is

Alex Lindsay (00:11:19):
It's not 43 million. Now that right there is a run cost. <Laugh> You buy it like you, you do have an overhead to it. So,

Andy Ihnatko (00:11:26):
But, but it, but it, it could be a good thing if it means that he's willing to run it at a loss long, it's a manageable loss. I mean, he's gonna make re he wants to make revenue from it, but it's okay if it's not, if it's not pleasing, it's not performing at, at the level where it would be pleasing stockholders because the TWiTtter has not been making any money whatsoever, which means that at some point it was going to be attractive to a company like, Hey, how about time Warner? Right?

Leo Laporte (00:11:57):

Rene Ritchie (00:11:58):
Let's make it the

Andy Ihnatko (00:11:58):
Latest, Hey, we, or, or Google say, Hey, well, we've got a great plan for TWiTtter or, or Microsoft, all these companies that will buy something, thinking that will give them something that they're missing, but they will then put their own management on it. Try to turn it to something it is and run into the, or into the ground. Then wind up selling it for parts for like $8 million for people who just want all the data that's been collected from it. If I'm worried that he doesn't understand what content Mo how important content moderation is that what he calls, you know, restrictions to free speech is actually just what we've learned in the past, in years, about, about the, the danger and the contamination that happens when you have no rules on what you can say and how you can say it and how

Leo Laporte (00:12:42):
Long he get away. It had a great takedown before he bought it on Friday. Elon Musk demonstrates how little he understands about content moderation in which he basically says, Elon's gonna throw out everything that TWiTtter's learned over the last 15 years start with the same plan that they started with originally. And it's, it's gonna be a disaster. I mean, I, I see a lot of people with hair on fire saying, it's gonna be a disaster. I mean, I'm willing to watch and see it'll be an interesting garbage fire. It always has been, it's interesting, frankly,

Rene Ritchie (00:13:10):
It's interesting to me because like, he's pinning this, he said that he doesn't care. It's gonna take it private making money off. It is not important to him. He believes that free speech is fundamental to democracy, which is a throwaway line because he's not a dumb person. Like he's, he's also talking about

Leo Laporte (00:13:24):
Spacex, no real champion about Tesla of free speech. Let's put out

Rene Ritchie (00:13:27):
No, his free speech is very like, but like either he doesn't understand what it means and that I don't think he's dumb enough to not understand what it means be cuz when you press him, he'll say, yes, I understand that speech has well, here's

Leo Laporte (00:13:38):
What Mike different countries. Here's what Mike Masick says. He says, you can say free speech and long, long as doesn break the law, but I don't want spam. He says that's directly contradictory. Spam does not break the law,

Rene Ritchie (00:13:49):
Which is why the telephone companies have to allow spam calls, right? Like, because there's the first amendment in the United States. So,

Leo Laporte (00:13:54):
So in, in the, his one interview he did with, with Ted, with Chris Anderson at Ted, he demo in says completely contradictory proposals, no span. So

Rene Ritchie (00:14:03):
My concern about that speech is my concern about that is he's demonstrated that he's not dumb about it, that he does understand the nuances when press, so that feels like it's just like something cool, like a meme that you say to your friends to get like clout on TWiTtter. And then the other part of it, race says like open source and algorithms was transparent. You don't, that's not how that works. Like you can just publish the algorithm. Doesn't have to be open source or not. Like you could do that in a second. So that just seems like another weirdly weird meme, Lord thing to say it's and none of that

Leo Laporte (00:14:28):
Sense. Good. And then the ano and then as, as Andy said the anonymous, no more anonymous accounts FF takes that one on saying besides the fact that, and I don't think you have to have anonymous accounts on TWiTtter, but somewhere you have to have anonymous speech to protect users that don't align with those in power blowers,

Rene Ritchie (00:14:48):

Leo Laporte (00:14:49):
And S says, and this is I think the important paragraph, there's little evidence that requiring people to post using their real names, creates a more civil environment and plenty of evidence that doing so can have disastrous consequences for some of the, I will most vulnerable users.

Alex Lindsay (00:15:04):
I will no, I, I think that there's a valid reason to have anonymous posts. So I think that absolutely for whistleblowers, for a whole variety of reasons, but, but they're, they're fundamentally wrong in saying that, that it doesn't make a more civil speech. It absolutely. I mean, I've worked with engineering teams talking about this when you give people real names and you say that they're really who they are. It absolutely.

Leo Laporte (00:15:26):

Alex Lindsay (00:15:26):

Leo Laporte (00:15:26):
That what higher

Alex Lindsay (00:15:27):

Leo Laporte (00:15:27):
Facebook does?

Andy Ihnatko (00:15:28):

Alex Lindsay (00:15:29):
To some degree, but, but it's, but it, it is, it absolutely.

Leo Laporte (00:15:32):
Hasn't worked on Facebook, <laugh>

Alex Lindsay (00:15:34):
It? It, well,

Leo Laporte (00:15:36):
There's plenty of people who are willing to say bad things, their own name,

Alex Lindsay (00:15:39):
But look at how many negative things are on LinkedIn. Very few only crazy people do that because it's AC they're actually accountable for it. Right. You know, like, like that affects your job. <Laugh> so, so it's, it's, it's it's whether people think it's important or not,

Andy Ihnatko (00:15:51):
You know, no, that it is an important thing. There there's a lot of variables in this calculus. And one of them is, as you say, when people say, when people use their real names and it's a verified name, it does lead to people being a lot more, a, a lot more cogent, a lot more thoughtful about the repercussions, about what they're saying. However, we are also know that there are, there are so many different categories of people that if they, if they were forced to speak out under their own names, not only not their, their political lives are in danger, their physical lives are in danger. All the way from people who are enemies of a certain government are perceived at an enemies of a government to just people who don't want their parents to know that they're gay or that they're trans, you know, it's they it's, it's a complicated thing that, that I, I have more faith in, in 18. That's been doing this for 10 years than in somebody who says I'm, I've had it with this write check, write, check, write, check, sh there go. I'm going to all of everything by making this the most free speech. He,

Leo Laporte (00:16:56):
So we,

Andy Ihnatko (00:16:56):
We Don we don't know, we don't know what he's gonna do yet, but I'm, I'm hoping that he doesn't, I'm hoping that he takes the advice of people who've been doing this for 10 years. Who've been running TWiTtter specifically for 10 years and who understand that there are reasons why we threw Trump's, but off of this service, and we're not inviting him back. I

Leo Laporte (00:17:12):
Really liked, you know, the, the quote that they put in the PR release from TWiTtter yeah. Is you know, at first, at first glance I went, oh yeah, that's great. All of that's great. It's only when you dig deep that you see that there are problems free. This is what he said. Free speech is the bedrock of a functioning democracy check. Twittter is the digital town square where matters vital of the future of humanity are debated check. I also wanna make TWiTtter better than ever by enhancing the product with new features, good. Making the, a algorithms open source to increase trust. Initially, that sounds good. Defeating the spam bots and authenticating all humans. Oh, that sounds great until you start to dig and that's when, and this is the problem is these are exactly the things <laugh> Jack Dorsey said when he founded TWiTtter and F Williams, when they founded TWiTtter, when mark Zuckerberg founded Facebook, these are the words that taking a page from Mike book, the Silicon valley said, when they launched these social networks, here we are a decade and a half later. It ain't that easy. It's

Alex Lindsay (00:18:17):
On fire. Yeah. And, and I, I wanna clarify that. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have anonymous accounts. Of course. I'm just saying of that, that, that the statement of that, it, it doesn't prove to the first thing we do when we, when we put on a forum, like if I'm brought engineer something, it's immediately real names. Like we just immediately turn that on because I'm not trying to be the town square. I'm trying to have this conversation go well. And we know we've known that for two decades, that you put real names in there and you attach them to spec specifically to real IDs. And you will absolutely have a, a cleaner conversation. Like, so it that's a, just an in, I was just talking about that. That's not valid as, as a them saying, there's no research. I don't know if there's any academic research. I don't really, oh,

Leo Laporte (00:18:57):
There's a ton of it. Here's one I'm

Alex Lindsay (00:18:59):
Saying, this is someone

Leo Laporte (00:19:00):
Who does this. This is the best known. This is Nathan, Mattas the real name fallacy. I'll give you some links. I'm not sure. I don't,

Alex Lindsay (00:19:06):
I don't really care what researchers think. So, so the I'm just someone who builds these for the last 20 years. I can tell you that there's an absolute connection to real names. I'm not saying that that's what we should do. I'm just saying that, that we all, everybody who does this knows that you put real names in. So I'll give you some stats, change

Leo Laporte (00:19:22):
Your environment. It may be more important. I think Alex than the real names thing, I'll give you some stats. Half, roughly half of all us adult victims of online already know who their attacker is. That's a fact

Alex Lindsay (00:19:35):
So, well, I'm not talking about attackers. I'm just talking about conversations. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:19:38):
I'm saying online harassment is one of the reasons why you wanna have real names.

Alex Lindsay (00:19:44):

Leo Laporte (00:19:48):
Identity protections, a first line of offense for people who face serious risk on online requirements of so-called real names, misunderstand how people manage identity across multiple social contexts. I can give you the whole thing. You should read the article. I understand you're empirically saying that that's worked. And in fact, I agree with you. But we, I don't enforce real names on the chat room on TWiT forums or on our Mastodon, because I think people like handles. They like using handles, and there are lots of good reasons to use handles. What we do enforce is rules. And because it's a small scale operation, we can moderate it. And so we don't have those problems on those three platforms due to moderation. Not because they're using real names or not using real names, requiring real names. I decided against it for this, for these reasons requiring real names on any of these platforms doesn't necessarily make it better and definitely makes it worse. Now you're not doing a public platform. You're talking about office hours, you're talking about other things. And I agree with you. And I think it's the environment as much. And the, and the social norms as much on your place, by the way, social norms are super important. We don't have to moderate very much on the forums or on right. Mastodon because of the norms, the environment people will really shout you down. If you start acting like a jerk.

Alex Lindsay (00:21:01):
Right. But I, I do think though that, I mean, again, in discussions with lots of teams that build these things, we've, we've definitely found that that, that calms the conversation pretty quickly if people, and it depends on, on how much leverage there is. So for instance, LinkedIn has probably the most leverage and you see almost yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:21:18):
Because your employer is looking at what you post,

Alex Lindsay (00:21:20):
Well, not just your employer, your potential future employer and your potential and the, and the mistake people make is actually TWiTtter

Leo Laporte (00:21:26):
Wouldn't have that necessarily, right?

Alex Lindsay (00:21:29):
Yeah. No, I, I, I'm not saying that they do. I'm just saying, I just, I just think it's funny when people, when people say that, that, that that's the case, because all of us that do this for a living know that, you know, real names make a huge difference in what we do. And and real IDs and everything else definitely change the tenor of, of everything that's going on. And but I, I, I'm not saying that I don't think TWiTtter could do it because everyone's got all these handles now. Like there, there,

Andy Ihnatko (00:21:52):

Leo Laporte (00:21:52):
Don't, I know how,

Alex Lindsay (00:21:53):
How he put my own name. I put my own name in everything. Like I don't, I just here's. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:21:57):
I do too. Here's what he'll do is he'll say, well, we're gonna have a check mark for people who are authenticated. Right. But, and then you don't have to follow anybody. Who's unauthenticated that I, I know from experience, at least to not following somebody who's harassing you doesn't help the problem at all. <Laugh>

Rene Ritchie (00:22:13):
We feel that this will end Elon. Like this is too big. Like he's taking on something that is cuz a lot of the people who've spoken out say that this has ended them like, like Zuckerberg apparently meditates in the morning. And like all those, I

Leo Laporte (00:22:23):
Wish Eli would stick to the things that are changing the world for the better, like

Rene Ritchie (00:22:29):
In the Roadster, how much further does this push the hybrid truck in the Roadster, down the

Leo Laporte (00:22:32):
Road. He may be bored with that. I don't know. You know, I mean, people are saying his Walter Isaacson who is of course the, the oligarch's favorite biographer pointed out that he was taking a 10:00 PM engineering meeting at SpaceX last night after, you know, announcing the takeover of TWiTtter. Yeah. Great, wonderful. <Laugh>.

Andy Ihnatko (00:22:51):
But that, that points out another potential sticky spot where his, his life is not TWiTtter. Zuckerberg's life is Facebook. You know, he doesn't have all these other commitments. He doesn't have all these other other huge corporations that he's trying to promote and trying to keep running keep expanding. What happens if Elon Musk decides that, Hey, I know that Republicans are really upset with TWiTtter because they think that conservative speech is being censored. I can really get a lot of friends inside Congress if I were to give them some privileges that if we were to say, oh yeah, the old, the old guard, the old algorithm was definitely, oh, you are absolutely right about this. And don't worry. We're gonna be making sure the conservative voices are gonna be not only, not only, not, not censored but promoted. And what if I mean the 

Rene Ritchie (00:23:42):
Or China charge. Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (00:23:45):
The chin, the Chinese communist party has been known already to be trying to influence world conversations, to make sure that the, the messaging that they have about what their what's happening inside their company, their country is happening inside movies, inside social media, inside everywhere. What happens when Elon either on his own initiative, thinks that, Hey, the friendlier relationship that, that I, that TWiTtter has with China to meet their goals, the easier it's gonna be for me to say, Hey, look, we're all friends here. Why don't, why don't you let me put a couple more plants, a couple more Tesla plants here. Why don't you put me in priority for manufacturing, manufacturing, resources here or there, if there are a lot of things we're gonna have to figure out or we're gonna have to do discover rather as things play out, as we're helpless, I, he gets mad at people. Anything but observe. Yeah, exactly. But he's

Rene Ritchie (00:24:29):
Gotten mad past and said like, like he loves free speech, but he's like, oh, you complained about the Tesla. So I'm canceling your order. Let's those are not synonymous with free speech.

Andy Ihnatko (00:24:39):
Let, let let's talk about the labor issues inside Tesla. Let's also talk about racism inside employee, employee relations inside Tesla. I have to laugh. Let's talk about panel gaps inside of an $80,000 car. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:24:52):
Let's what happens

Rene Ritchie (00:24:53):
Removing your TWiTtter account right now?

Leo Laporte (00:24:54):
I just, I had to laugh when Jeff Bezos tweets, well, Elon, Elon's gonna have trouble with the, with, with China on TWiTtter. Cause, and then people pointed out Jeff, you know, half of the stuff sold on Amazon is sold to China. You agreed to ban negative reviews of premier she's book in China. Jeff, you're probably not the person to be talking about this.

Rene Ritchie (00:25:17):
And he owns the Washington post, right? Like all this stuff is owned by a cadre of, they had a list of like the 10 richest people and they all own everything that we used to communicate with. Guess

Leo Laporte (00:25:25):
What if you're an oligo, a and by the way, I have decided to call the oral GARS from no one, if you're an Ola, Gar not billionaires Ola, GARS, let's call 'em Las SPTA spade. If you're an Ola, Gar you wanna control the, you know, what, what do you call it? The crossroads of America. You wanna control that? That's that's, that's where all, you know, that's where you rep lives. Of course. And if you can afford it, buy it. Anyway. We, I, I don't want to take over the show with as easily could we'll do this tomorrow on TWiTg. We'll take over the show with it. I guarantee you <laugh>, that's all we'll be talking about tomorrow. It's gonna be very, a very interesting conversation, but I did, you know, when, when those like happens, especially on a day off, first thing I wanna do is run in here and ask Andy and Alex. Yes. And Rene, what do you think? What do you think? That's how this that's how TWiT began is. Yeah. It's like, let's go live. Let's go live. Maybe I will. Maybe someday we should. 

Rene Ritchie (00:26:23):
The Johnny de trial,

Leo Laporte (00:26:25):
Is it, is it politically incorrect to say call a SPUs now I'm thinking maybe it's not about shovels. If that's the case. I apologize. I thought

Andy Ihnatko (00:26:32):
It was about poker.

Leo Laporte (00:26:34):
Yeah. It's about suits. Oh yeah. Heart spades. Diamonds clubs. Yeah. So if they're playing, if it's a queen of spades, you're gonna, you're gonna name right. I thought

Rene Ritchie (00:26:43):
It was about poker.

Leo Laporte (00:26:44):
Yeah. I hope it is. <Laugh> I sincerely confused. I sincerely hope it is <laugh> by the way somebody said that you should call Elon Musk a billionaire because <laugh> bull should be the first, first thing in the, in the word. I'm not sure. Well,

Rene Ritchie (00:27:04):
That was what's his name? 

Leo Laporte (00:27:06):
Neil sidebar. No

Rene Ritchie (00:27:08):
Benedict Evans,

Leo Laporte (00:27:09):
Benedict Evans. The other guy it's so

Rene Ritchie (00:27:10):
Confusing because he he's full he's full of BS, but he's, it sometimes works and that's what confuses us

Leo Laporte (00:27:16):
BS. It works. We've lost Andy briefly. So I'll tell you what, let's take a break and get this, the flavor TWiTtter out of our mouth. So we can go back to talking about Apple, which is what really matters around here. The stuff that really matters. Actually I have a question I meant to ask last week, and I'm gonna ask you Rene particularly, but anybody who knows this eclectic light article blog post, and I trust these guy, this guy that M one Thunderbolt ports, don't fully support USB 31 gen two. And I'm just curious. So prepare your thoughts. Yes. On that while I prepare a good sleep for you with eight sleep. Oh, I love my eight sleep mattress, eight sleep. We actually have a pod pro cover, cuz we liked our, you can buy a cover that goes over your existing mattress or you can buy an eight sleep mattress.

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Leo Laporte (00:29:08):
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Leo Laporte (00:29:59):
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Leo Laporte (00:30:52):
It gets cooler at night deep sleep, and then it warms up in the morning and, and that's when you get outta bed that that's the natural rhythm. But of course we live in climate control environ. We don't get that. So I don't know about you, but you know, for a while I was waking up in the middle of the night, sweating and hot and uncomfortable. That was terrible. Or somebody not gonna name names, steals all the covers and then you wake up and you're going. I don't have to worry about it anymore. The eight sleep, I start it fairly warm. I think it plus two or three, I don't know exactly the temperatures I'll have, I'd have to investigate, but, and then it automatically goes down lower during the night, which means I sleep deeper. I sleep cool. I can't wait till a hot summer night, cause this is gonna be like air conditioning in your bed.

Leo Laporte (00:31:37):
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Rene Ritchie (00:32:49):
Alex eat Andy?

Leo Laporte (00:32:51):

Speaker 7 (00:32:53):
I was like,

Leo Laporte (00:32:55):
Let's talk.

Speaker 7 (00:32:57):
Andy's gone. Let's talk about regulation. Let's talk about

Leo Laporte (00:33:01):
<Laugh> Now. I warn you. I have to channel Annie if he's not here. So be careful. I just have to warn you. That's my job

Rene Ritchie (00:33:08):
EU was hilarious last week. So we, we do have GRA legitimate grounds for inspecting their action.

Leo Laporte (00:33:12):
No, that's okay. I think there's gonna be some action over this. I think what, again, this is another example of hot take. Hey, good idea. Apple removes apps that haven't been updated in a while from the app store. Hot take great idea. And then I start reading about it and thinking about it and go, oh, maybe not such a great idea. Sometimes a program, an app is done, right?

Rene Ritchie (00:33:34):
Or the, all the sticker apps they remove and the stickers are aren't even apps. They're just like pictures. They don't never need to be updated.

Leo Laporte (00:33:39):
So this is Apple says, well, we, this was a policy we established in 2016. 

Rene Ritchie (00:33:47):
And was there so many old Apple apps still on the store?

Leo Laporte (00:33:50):
Yeah. And I understand if the store's junked up with apps that don't run or, or, you know, or hideously broken, but sometimes something's done.

Rene Ritchie (00:34:00):

Leo Laporte (00:34:01):
And it doesn't need to be updated. It continues to work with the existing iOS. Maybe you don't need to update it. What do you think, Rene?

Rene Ritchie (00:34:10):
I think you, you know, a lot of this times these policies are well intentioned and they think, you know, we don't want a bunch of apps that no longer run, like you said, no longer run on the store. But I think sometimes they say stop. They don't do enough repercussion modeling. And like everybody, when you're at a scale that is an Apple or a Google or a Facebook scale, you've gotta do repercussion modeling. You've gotta do outliers. You've gotta see what the reaction this will be. And it could be as simple as saying, Hey, we're just checking in to make sure you're still actively maintaining this. If you don't reply, respond back to us within like three months, then the app's gonna be delisted and then say, no, no, no, it's fine. The app is just done. They're like, okay, flag in the app, we'll check back in a year. Thanks. Like there's a whole bunch of things that you could do to mitigate this. I'm glad they're removing apps that no longer work that are basically abandoned where that's good for everybody. But it's, it's sad that it's trapping a lot of really functional apps, especially sticker apps, which never needs to

Leo Laporte (00:34:57):
Be updated. So they're removing old sticker apps

Rene Ritchie (00:35:00):
That's get get, and from icon factory was complaining about that. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:35:04):
Oh, I have a whole ton of sticker apps that I love. Oh, that's sad if you have it downloaded though, it doesn't remove it from your phone. You just, you can't download it fresh.

Rene Ritchie (00:35:14):
Yeah, yeah. Or if you set up a new device, like, because every time you set up a new device, it's bit code does a translation for the, to match the, the chip set on your device. So you get a fresh copy of the app, which wouldn't work. Right. So it's all these things. It's like your Flay birds. Isn't coming back. Leo

Leo Laporte (00:35:30):
Flay wings,

Rene Ritchie (00:35:30):
Flay, birds,

Leo Laporte (00:35:31):
Flay, bird stickers. Don't say stickers. Yeah. Actually flappy, birds, long con, but the stickers live on <laugh>. Yep. Alright. So Alex, any thoughts? Do you care? Do you, you have any apps in the app store?

Alex Lindsay (00:35:45):
I have apps that I've worked on in the app store. Yeah. But for other people, but I don't have any in my own apps

Leo Laporte (00:35:49):
Sometimes something's done. I mean, especially games.

Alex Lindsay (00:35:52):
I guess the stuff we work on is updated like every three months. Right. It's like, it's just a con because it's, it's usually pushing a little bit of the outer edge. And so we're constantly updating it for the new OS and you know, there's features that we're trying to get working and, and nothing's ever, you know, everything starts with MVP and it's on a constant development. So I don't think that we fit into that, but I, I feel like it, it does seem like things get old and if no, one's updating it for a long time, I don't know. Do we know what the threat threshold is?

Leo Laporte (00:36:17):
They say in this email, significant amount of time, <laugh>

Alex Lindsay (00:36:23):
Significant. So they're not giving a hard number, but they're

Leo Laporte (00:36:25):
Not. But some people

Alex Lindsay (00:36:26):
Who hasn't been updated for two years, I would be kinda like, well, developer may not really care about

Leo Laporte (00:36:30):
That. So here's a developer proto pop games tweeted. I feel sick. Apple sent me an email saying they're removing my free game. Movoto because it's more than two years old. It's part of their app improvement system. That's not cool console games from 2000 are still available for sale. This is an unfair barrier to indie devs.

Alex Lindsay (00:36:48):
But I think all you need to do is just run an update. Like, like, you know, it's it's and Apple

Leo Laporte (00:36:53):
Did say, I think in response, the update doesn't have to be massive or right. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:36:58):
Could just be like, I mean, still there, if someone, again, I guess I would, sayand why they're cutting stuff off. Exactly. I mean, I would just do a pulse and I would just change some of the description text, you know, that SU a

Leo Laporte (00:37:09):
Word that's sufficient Apple

Alex Lindsay (00:37:10):
Said. Yeah. And then, yeah. And then, and then just, and then just hit, it just means that someone's paying attention to it. Otherwise it's kind of a, it's kind of a dead drop, you know, like it, and I, so I think that I see Apple's point. I do think they probably oughta notify the developer like three months ahead, one month ahead, one week ahead, one day ahead and then say, okay, we're, we're taking it out. And if they don't respond, then, then you just, but, but literally all, if all you have to do is change a word again. I sometimes I think, I think developers, you know, there's a reason that they're all you have to do is just run.

Leo Laporte (00:37:41):
I think they gulped is what happened. And they went, what, but Apple said, you know, you could <laugh>. I said, this, Apple did not say this, but I think this was the implication you could just add to the, you know, a line to the change log saying you know, April 26, 20, 22, I'm not dead. And then I think they were just shocked

Rene Ritchie (00:38:02):
At the sudden enforcement because it really

Leo Laporte (00:38:03):
Hadn't been enforced. Yes. Well, this was a theory since 2016, this is the policy,

Alex Lindsay (00:38:08):
But it's, it's, it's in the, yeah, it's in the policy. It's it's there. It's not like it's hidden. Yeah. And so, you know, I think that usually you just gotta find with all things in life, we just have to find the way that wants to work. And then just do that thing. You know, like it's not, it's not like they're doing anything to you. It's

Leo Laporte (00:38:22):
Not chatroom has just handed me this <laugh> bulletin. Air tags are getting a firmware update. Apple today released a new firmware update, build one, a 3 0 1. That's actually a big jump from 29 1. The last update. Doesn't say what the update is. Although Apple has said of late, they are doing more to make the air tag less useful for stalking people. So it might have something to do with that. It might have a bug you can Apple, I'm sorry. Mac rumor says you can get the, for current firmware version through the, find my app, see if you've got it. But there is no way, no known way to force the update. Just put your air tag, Don or your phone. And don't,

Alex Lindsay (00:39:06):
I don't see the air tag. I'm kind of curious if they, if air tags are paying attention to like, if it's a family member that has the air tag, because it's not like our air tags are going off all the time. And I have, you know, my wife has one on her key chain. I have one on the key chain. You know, my kids, you know, have some, and, and it's kind of funny when all three of them are together. It looks like a little family of air tags moving around on the, on the map, right? Like, but ones left behind for a little while and they, oh, they're not gonna catch up. And but I think that they ever go off, like, I've never heard them do anything. And I'm wondering whether they know that they're with a family member of the

Leo Laporte (00:39:42):
There's setting, we can find mine. Cuz there's a setting that says whether you should be notified when it's left behind and you can actually, I

Rene Ritchie (00:39:47):
Drive so infrequently that whenever I get in the car, now it beeps just remind me that I have it in there. Like, cause you Haven, if you haven't, you haven't been in proximity for a few days. It's like, I'm still here, buddy.

Leo Laporte (00:39:57):
It apparently has done some updating because my keys will notify me when I've left them behind from my home or the CAE Panorama deal 14 in Oaxaca. <Laugh> So I'm glad I haven't left my keys there. I must, I, I may have turned that on. I don't remember in the settings. I don't know how you find the air. Oh, there is a firmware. I have 1 0 2 91. Yeah. So it hasn't been updated. So I guess you just go like this. The other thing that, that, that was one of the things Apple said they want to kind of improve on, is those notifications that you've left something behind or things like that.

Rene Ritchie (00:40:36):
A lot of, of times it's stalking me,

Alex Lindsay (00:40:39):
My AirPods pro tell me that they, that they've, that I've, they've been left behind when they're all

Leo Laporte (00:40:43):
The time.

Alex Lindsay (00:40:43):
Yes. Yeah. In my pocket, in my pocket

Rene Ritchie (00:40:46):
Mind say that there's like unidentified AirPods pro with you and I'm like, they're mine. And I'm like, I really gotta clean out the electrical contacts on these things. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:40:53):
Do you think there's a setting or something or you could say no, no, this is, there might be a way that or no, but

Rene Ritchie (00:40:59):
Then people could stalk me with other people's AirPods.

Leo Laporte (00:41:01):
Oh man.

Rene Ritchie (00:41:01):
That's what the sinister. Yeah. You gotta money

Leo Laporte (00:41:04):
Tricky. This all is,

Rene Ritchie (00:41:07):
It is really hard. It is really, really hard stuff with tons of edge cases. It makes nobody happy ever. So it's like, it's good that they're just in there fighting.

Leo Laporte (00:41:14):
So you mentioned trouble in the EU for Apple. There also is in Japan. Apple is protesting a report from Japan. They want Japan is seeking fair competition in the OS market, Apple lodge, a protest today, following the release of a Japanese government report. This is from the Kyoto news that indicated the possibility of regulations being introduced to ensure fair competition in the smartphone operating market. Huh? <laugh> Google said it's been actively cooperating with the government. Mm I'm not sure exactly. I dunno exactly of this means. I don't know what it means. The government will solicit opinions from the public and hold more discussions. <Laugh> that's what it means.

Alex Lindsay (00:42:03):
I guess they, they, they think that they, they, they would like a new operating system that that would be difficult. You know, the funny thing is that's in Japan. What you say is that that would be difficult is no,

Leo Laporte (00:42:12):
That means no. Yeah. That would be difficult.

Alex Lindsay (00:42:15):
OS that would be difficult would

Leo Laporte (00:42:16):
Be difficult. We could, we could maybe get some web OS phones in. We want us to do that.

Rene Ritchie (00:42:22):
Yeah. Talk to LG. They don't even making phones. Anyway. They bought web OS got on TV and got outta the phone business.

Leo Laporte (00:42:26):
I know it's on my TV and I hate it every time it pops up on my TV. Every time I'm talking about TV, birds,

Rene Ritchie (00:42:30):
What are those birds doing?

Leo Laporte (00:42:31):
You know, get outta here, get out, get away from me. Apple has been H so there, you know, there there's a wave across the country of unionization, Starbucks locations now being unionized, Amazon warehouses being unionized and Apple is you know, feeling some of that pressure too. According to the verge, they have hired anti union lawyers to oppose retail workers, unionizing <laugh> it sounds the Pinza hair. <Laugh> Apple is working with anti-union lawyers at LER Mendelson at specifically to to stop and workers in Atlanta at the Atlantas store from having a, a unionizing vote.

Rene Ritchie (00:43:20):
Do you remember how different the labor laws are in Canada, Leo? Like when you used to work here, like it, it is so starkly different than the us. Like there's no at will employment. Like you wanna fire somebody, you better be willing to go through a year long process. Absolutely. And like when you watch all this stuff in America, like here's like, you want to unionize, where do you get your complimentary pen here? Yeah. Is just, it's so different to watch.

Leo Laporte (00:43:38):
Littler is currently representing Starbucks previously helped McDonald's in 2014. Wow. Feels like companies like Apple that make so much money maybe should just say fine union. I nice.

Alex Lindsay (00:43:57):
Well, I mean, I think union unionization is generally what you do when you don't think there's any upward mobility, you know, like, you know, so if you don't think that there's anywhere to go with your job, then you want to join a union to make the best out of where you're at. Or

Leo Laporte (00:44:10):
If the company does things like not pay you for being searched as you leave the store to, you know, there are things that employees quite rightly, you know, yeah. We wanna be protected and the best way to protect yourself against a company that hires lawyers by the dozen is collective bargaining

Alex Lindsay (00:44:30):
On the that's way for the, the company to protect itself from unionized, by

Leo Laporte (00:44:33):
Hiring even more lawyers.

Alex Lindsay (00:44:34):
Well, no, to treat, to treat everybody, to look at what those issues are and pay attention to them and, and to, to address them. Right. you know, you don't need a union if the, if the company's, you know, I, I think that Apple does have the money and they should do what's necessary to have the employees, you know, it, it does create a much more complicated situation for everybody to have a union in, in the, in the mix. But the but I, but I think that it, it happens because you're not doing what you need to do, you know, like you're not, you're not explaining yourself.

Leo Laporte (00:45:04):
You're John,

Alex Lindsay (00:45:04):
You guys taking care of people. 

Leo Laporte (00:45:05):
And I, and, and you don't have to answer this. The N LRB says I can't ask you this question, John, have you good? I started a unionized back in the kitchen back there. I can't let you know. <Laugh> okay, fine. We're gonna get LER in here. Exactly. Oh, I'm a proud member of after sag. My radio show is a union. Yeah. Show. And and I'm happy to be a member of the union. I pay him a couple hundred bucks a year. But there's things for instance, like benefits that in Apple I'm sure has very good benefits. So that's not an issue, but there are, you know, if you're a contractor and you're after in sag, it's a good thing because you generally don't have the same job day in, day out. So having healthcare from the union is a good thing. Having insurance and, you know, pension from the union is a good thing. I'm, I'm not against unions at all. I think unions are a good idea. Unless you guys start to unionize, which case no more free on Wednesday.

Alex Lindsay (00:46:02):
<Laugh> no, I think Amazon people, I think unions are really necessary in a lot of places. Yeah. I agree.

Leo Laporte (00:46:07):
So I think that, yeah,

Alex Lindsay (00:46:08):
But I think that the easiest way for a company to that doesn't have a union to keep a union, keep from people,

Leo Laporte (00:46:13):
Spend that money them well, instead of on lawyers them and Pinkertons

Alex Lindsay (00:46:16):
On people

Leo Laporte (00:46:16):
Spend that money on people.

Alex Lindsay (00:46:18):

Leo Laporte (00:46:20):
So why, I don't know, honestly, what the grievances are at this Atlanta store, but why, what, what if Apple, if they want something, why wouldn't Apple probably pay, right? Yeah. from the start here's, here's a quote from the verge, from the start, this is one current retail employee who says, I'm not gonna give you my name from the start. I thought unionization was a good thing. Pay is so unequal at the stores. There are people who've been roles for less time making more money than people who've worked in the same roles for years. They position themselves as a company. That's opened if feedback, but nobody acts on it. Okay. Last week Apple retail workers at the Cumberland mall in Atlanta filed for a union election with the communication workers of America, CWA. And of course the fear Amazon Starbucks, and now Apple have is if one store unionize, they're all gonna unionize.

Alex Lindsay (00:47:15):
Yeah, of course. Maybe,

Leo Laporte (00:47:17):
Maybe You sure, John, you know, is there anything I can do to make you <laugh> make you happier? Where's that ultra <laugh> you want a studio ultra? Huh?

Alex Lindsay (00:47:32):
Suddenly, suddenly John had some new headphones and a studio ultra and Apple studio and, and, and, and he found that it was very easy to fit into his, his Tesla that was provided by the company.

Leo Laporte (00:47:44):
I think it's, I, I guess it's true that if you, if you did, if you really made sure that pay was equitable, that, that people were treated well, that you had good benefits. And you didn't do one of the things that tech companies do a lot, which is, I think part of the problem is use contract employees instead of full-time employees to avoid paying benefits. Maybe if you're making a lot of money, you did all those things, you took care of your employees. Yeah. That would be the right thing to do. I agree.

Rene Ritchie (00:48:11):
Yeah. There's a lot of contract work done in Silicon valley, which is really disheartening, especially when you see the quality of, oh, here and it's

Leo Laporte (00:48:16):
Off. How much gonna cost you. It cost me Burke to have you move that in there. Oh, Annie. And not goes back. <Laugh> union worker Burke MCWE has just push Sandy back into the studio. <Laugh>

Alex Lindsay (00:48:33):
I see, remember

Rene Ritchie (00:48:34):
That would cost us $300 to have that TV

Leo Laporte (00:48:36):
Hooked up. Yeah, we need, yeah. Wait a minute. Work. You can't touch the camera. You can. You're the monitor movie. You, I do remember that in when I used to do live with Regis and Kelly, ABC studio, there was a union shop and I couldn't UN, I couldn't open the boxes of the equipment that I had sent to me to demonstrate on the show, the, the, a union guy had to do that. There was a lot of feather betting, I think, not a teamster stuff like that. And, and that the, you know, of course there, there was a very active foreman and that part of the part of that is to protect the employees

Alex Lindsay (00:49:09):
Well, and, and, and I get, have to say as, as someone who started with non-union crews and then ended up doing lots and lots of union jobs, is that it, it made me be a grownup. <Laugh> like, you know, like I was running, you know, we'd run crews really long hours with no breaks and we'd do all kinds of crazy stuff. And then we couldn't do that anymore. We gotta take a break every three and a half hours, and there's three to five hours and there's, there's a lunch break and it has to be this long and it has to do these things. And, and if go long and, and what happened was is that I got way better at managing the logistics of my, of my programs because of the rules that, that I now were sitting inside of that I didn't have a choice of.

Alex Lindsay (00:49:41):
Right. Which is part of the deal. Like, I didn't have a weight. I couldn't tell a client, oh, we can't do this. I mean, OSCON, I can't like I have to play by the rules and these are the rules, and we're gonna play with them as, as best we possibly can. And clients just, you know, shrugged it off because that's what they had to do. And, but I applied most of those things to everything after that, you know, like, you know, you, you think about it. Yeah. Everybody benefits definitely made it a better. Yeah, absolutely.

Leo Laporte (00:50:03):
Welcome back, Andrew.

Andy Ihnatko (00:50:05):
Yes. Sorry. Sorry about that. There's some, there's some, I had a conversation with the electricians who are doing like work on the building, whoops, before the show. And they said, Nope, no problem. There'll be no suspension of your electricity. But then they were doing work in the basement and they unplugged my my, my, my my connection to the Fios network. Wait

Leo Laporte (00:50:23):
A minute. Your internet uses electricity.

Andy Ihnatko (00:50:26):
Indeed. It does. We

Leo Laporte (00:50:27):

Andy Ihnatko (00:50:29):
I, I have empirical evidence now that indeed it does. So right now I thought you age, quite Andy, we thought we said some so offensive that you just unplug and walked out on us.

Leo Laporte (00:50:37):

Andy Ihnatko (00:50:37):
No we, but that's see. That's, that's, that's a nice thing about living, like in a, in a quaint, like touristy, like village, because right now I'm connecting to you through like the like $20 a week or $5 a day wifi while we figure out what they need to plug back in. But I, but I'm back in yeah. To, to, to get back to, but to, to, to get back in, jump back into the conversation. Yeah. There's there are bosses who think that, you know what, I, I, I had people working like four or five hours late today, but you know what? I'm such a good boss. I, I paid for pizza say, okay,

Leo Laporte (00:51:12):

Andy Ihnatko (00:51:13):
Because we're a union, you're not paying for pizza. You're paying for double overtime. Yeah. And guess, and guess what, you know, that thing where you stop paying me at five, but you don't let me leave the store until 5 35 until the security person searches. All my belongings, that stuff is no longer something you're gonna be getting away with. So it's even, it's the thing is there, there comes a time when even if the relationship between management and employees is good and it's good that that employees have the ability to just simply be, be to put into an opposing force, equal and opposite to the force of management that it doesn't have to be, Hey, the, we, we guys got together and we had a conversation and we thought we'd bring it to you, the manager to discuss that. Maybe you could talk to your boss to maybe figure out if somehow we don't have to like stick around for another half hour. We asked, okay, well, we file a grievance. We follow the credence with the union, but we, we don't want this to affect our relationship at all. You'll just have to talk, talk to talk to our union about it. So this is what this is why, you know, if people think, if companies think that, Hey, we're all a family here. Yeah. Families sometimes Sue each other because they have to,

Leo Laporte (00:52:26):
If you want your eyes opened. And I have, I've been following the subreddit for some time slash R anti work. Oh yeah. Or R slash anti work, a great Reddit site to just you'll read stuff that bosses are doing to their employees. And you'll just shake your head and go, there are some bad bosses out there. There really are

Andy Ihnatko (00:52:47):
Delta airlines. I, I was reading something the other day that they, they sign in their, in their, in their benevolence. They're gonna decide, you know, the, the, the people who work for Delta, who like get you, who, who like get seated, the

Leo Laporte (00:52:59):
All airlines, all

Andy Ihnatko (00:53:01):
Airlines, all airlines. So they, they don't get paid until the door is closed. So they're basically working for Delta for free every time, like, as your board, as they're getting people seated, as they're hearing people saying, Hey, I'm my my, my kid needs an extra pillow, or I need to, that's

Leo Laporte (00:53:16):
All free

Andy Ihnatko (00:53:17):
People together. That's all free

Leo Laporte (00:53:18):
Delta That stunning. And that now that's,

Andy Ihnatko (00:53:22):
That's like, that was, that's incredible to me that they got away with that for so long.

Leo Laporte (00:53:26):
Yeah. All the airlines do it. And it, the hope is if you follow Heather pool on TWiTtter, she is kind of the, the, the world famous flight attendant. She says, you know, the hope is all airlines will now start to recognize that yeah, they're actually working. <Laugh> welcoming you on board. They're working. Yeah. That's a perfect example, Andy, actually, and that's a unionized position by the way. Yeah. So sometimes the, sometimes it's not enough just to have a union. Well, we're seeing

Rene Ritchie (00:53:53):
Massive unionization amongst like, even just like what I used to do, like bloggers tech, media media in general, they're joining a lot of the writers unions and you look at it and you say like, they frozen salaries on like blog posts, like 20 bucks of which is not sustainable for three years, but the CEO gets a 30 billion,

Leo Laporte (00:54:08):
You know, billion bonus. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I do think this is part actually of a, of a nationwide kind of trend of, of especially hourly employees kind of standing up and saying, you know, we're not gonna take this anymore. So the tech industry needs to, to pay attention. The, the story we were doing Andy is that Apple has unfortunately hired a union busting firm in Atlanta. 

Andy Ihnatko (00:54:34):
They, they're also the company that you hire when, yeah, I'm sorry. I won't get into it. But I did. I was looking into this company and yeah, they're, they're not the company you hire because you're being sued unfairly by your, by your, by, by your employees who are making unreasonable requests. They're, they're the people you hire when it turns out that you're an incredibly sexist organization that has not been promoting any women or non people of, or people of color for the past eight years. And suddenly they've got their suddenly they're, they're, they're suing you for lost wages for lost compensation, et cetera, et cetera. They're, they're not, they're, they're not great people. They're wartime Aries, so to speak, they're you hire 'em for a specific person on the plus side, they didn't, Apple is not hiring Pinkerton men. Yes. You know, they have not, they let's let's let's give them credit. They haven't, they haven't had armed people in bowler, hats and mustaches lined up in front of, in Caltran workers.

Leo Laporte (00:55:26):
Scooter X is reminding me that I said I was gonna ask Rene about this from the eclectic light company. This guy's an artist he's very talented, but he also writes really good pieces on on max. And I read it regularly. And I was a little perturbed by this article from last week. I meant to ask about it and I forgot to last week. So let me not forget it this week, Apple claims he writes that all its new models using M one chips come with Thunderbolt ports, which support USB 3.1 gen two, up to 10 gigabits. However many users are reported. They're not getting that speed. And apparently I don't know if this is confusion over what these terms mean, or if Apple is underperforming currently, he says Apple makes no claim that any ports on its M one model support three, two only the more widespread 3.1 gen two, he says you know, the problem is the speeds. And it's easy enough to check and see in normal testing, five gigs should yield about 500 megabytes per second. He's he did a bunch of testing and got nothing close to that. Rene. I'm sure you, this has been on your radar since last week, and I apologize. Not for not asking about it. What, what are your thoughts?

Rene Ritchie (00:56:47):
I have looked into it. I, I, I'm on a bit of a backlog Leo, because there's been so much of like having to explain how basic basics of computing works. And I don't mind that at all, because this stuff is super complicated. Oh, it is. I know, like you talked about with benchmarks, like you can't just benchmark anything cuz are you hitting a performance core? Are you hitting in efficiency core? Are you hitting a, like an accelerator engine? And then there was a whole storage thing. Like, you know, they're, they're not letting you store stuff. And then there was like, the GPU's are being UN under delivered and they're not, it's just, you don't understand how GS work. And I'm not like this stuff is complicated in several ways because one, they keep changing what USB means. So like us becomes gen the, the labels are outrageous.

Rene Ritchie (00:57:27):
But the other thing is like a lot of the stuff is really complicated and it's almost like not the same extent, but like 5g, they'll give you a speed for 5g, but it really means if you're sitting on the tower by yourself and there's nobody else on it. And the weather is exactly as they measured it, like there. So much of this is dependent on the heat. Like not just the heat of device, but the heat of the environment around you and anything else that's happening. Like is it transferring power as well as data? And is it a bunch of large files? It is a bunch of small files. What other overhead is being done on the computer when it's transferring these stuff? Because it's not raw transfer speed. It has to manage all of that on the computer. And it becomes like yes, theoretically, you can get this, but because of XYZ, number of factors, this is like a realistic ex like expectation for these things.

Rene Ritchie (00:58:11):
And I think like it would be hoof somebody. I hope it's not me, but it would whoof somebody, I think to get like a really good set of explainers out there to say like and this happens, like someone will write like the, the thing that said that Apple was bad at GPS, hacker news just went through bit by bit and said, no, this is how a GPU actually works. And they'll go through and say, no, this is how like USB protocols actually work. Cuz there are a bunch of really smart people. But at first blush it's hard to take very simplified marketing material and then apply it to like your real world conditions. So I always look at it as like an ideal. And then if it's not too, if it doesn't deviate too far from that, it's probably fine. So

Leo Laporte (00:58:50):
Do you think Howard screwed up the benchmarks

Rene Ritchie (00:58:53):

Rene Ritchie (00:58:55):
No. I mean, I think like what he gets on those things is what he gets. I think it's usually expectations and just general awareness. Like I'm sure I haven't had the opportunity to do this yet, but I'm sure like when I talk to a USB Thunderbolt engineer about this, they'll say yes, but like when you look at this test, he's also putting this through it and then like, this is gonna depend on what, you know, what the file system is doing at, at XYZ point. And there'll be a very long and elaborate explanation that no human being ever has to sit through. And I'm not saying Apple, he does say

Leo Laporte (00:59:20):
That he tried the same drives on a variety of machines. And the only one that seems to support the full speed USB three, one gen two is an M one max studio max that the others do not, which is,

Rene Ritchie (00:59:34):
Well, some people say the ultra because like

Leo Laporte (00:59:37):
The thunder on the front, the max is the only one, the front yeah. That doesn't have under bolt on the front. Right. That's

Rene Ritchie (00:59:41):
True. Yeah. But like some people are saying that those are much faster and it, it might just be because they have that IO controller to themselves. Cause you've literally got double the IO controllers. And if you have something else plugged in, you're not sharing any of that bandwidth or any of that

Leo Laporte (00:59:54):
Basically go ahead.

Alex Lindsay (00:59:55):
Is there any external storage that's going over like 2.8 gigs? The reason I asked is that my studio, my studio, the biggest mistake I made with buying the studio I've made, I love my studio by the way. But the biggest mistake I made was I didn't put, I would've spent the extra money on eight terabytes, internal hard drive space because it is so fast. It is five gigs, a second. Yeah. Megabytes, five gigabytes a second. And, and it made a huge difference. I had stuff that I couldn't run. I literally couldn't play it back on my M one Mac mini. I just couldn't play it back. And I put it, I, so I just moved all the stuff onto my, my studio and boom, like butter. And this is, you know, eight tracks of 5.7 K black magic raw. Like it's, it's like

Leo Laporte (01:00:39):
A lot

Alex Lindsay (01:00:40):
Of people be

Rene Ritchie (01:00:41):
Storage. Like even for rendering, you can be storage gated rather than processor gated.

Alex Lindsay (01:00:46):
Yeah. So, so, so the, no, but exactly. And so the thing is, is it wasn't the processor speed? It was the, it was the drive speed. And I couldn't now I'm having trouble. Like my spinning drives will not work with my studio and I don't know why. Like they just, they just don't work. And so I so then I was using MBEs and so on and so forth and then I just moved it over and then it worked fine, but it was, it's a, a tricky, tricky problem, you know, for, for what we were, what I, what I'm working on. And so but I, I realized, I wish I had gotten eight terabytes because I just would've moved whole projects cuz for some reason, most of my projects end up gonna be about six to eight terabytes. <Laugh> like that just what they lived in. I got the eight terabytes. And so, and so I, the that's the big, if you're buying, if you're thinking about a studio, think really hard that there is nothing that I can find in the external world that is as fast as the drive. And that's the first time I've ever had a computer that had a faster internal drive than anything I could buy externally. And I have, I've been, I'm kind of on a search, but the best I can do is about 2.8 with the O WC little, you know, MBME raid.

Leo Laporte (01:01:44):
So Mr. Oakley's recommendation <laugh> is if you have a USB 3.1 gen two device connected to a Thunderbolt, three docs, Thunderbolt, four ports that are having problems. So connected a Thunderbolt three doc, or if you have a studio display, they should work better on the studio, display USB ports. 

Alex Lindsay (01:02:05):
And I have those drives around here. I'll I'll I'll try to do that myself.

Leo Laporte (01:02:08):
Yeah. My problem is I ha I can't remember which or which, you know,

Alex Lindsay (01:02:12):
I specifically bought those drives recently

Leo Laporte (01:02:14):
For that 10 gigabyte.

Alex Lindsay (01:02:15):
Well for gigabit. Yeah. For overhead. Yeah. So yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:02:19):
I'd be, you know, what I'd be curious about Alex is if you could find an external drive that gives you any on a thunder bolt, it would have to be Thunderball three, right? Or Thunderball four that would give you anywhere near the that's what I do the performance adequate performance, I guess nothing. Would've give you the speed of the internal drive.

Alex Lindsay (01:02:34):
No, that's the whole thing. It just doesn't. So I bought, I, I always buy small Arnolds because I'm like, oh, I really want to spend all right. That

Leo Laporte (01:02:41):
Was mistake. So the only takeaway from this is probably don't buy, if you have an M one do not buy USB 3.1 gen two drives, or at least don't expect them to give you the 10 gigabits per second. Super

Rene Ritchie (01:02:56):
Speed. Yeah. And it's possible, there is an error somewhere and that Apple will fix it's just generally like when these kinda articles come out, usually Apple has tested this stuff. Like they, they screw up the studio display so they can screw up anything. I'm not gonna like for sure. But a lot of times it's just, you know, you gotta figure out how it works.

Leo Laporte (01:03:10):
Speaking of which look, who's here on his updated studio display ladies. Whoa. Oh, that is so much better

Rene Ritchie (01:03:17):

Leo Laporte (01:03:19):
You have a face.

Speaker 8 (01:03:20):
I don't know why it keeps changing

Leo Laporte (01:03:22):
Eyes without a face.

Speaker 8 (01:03:24):
So let me, I'm gonna turn off center stage just so you can see what it normally looks like. So this is what center stage turned off, but I have to turn on center stage.

Leo Laporte (01:03:34):
At least the, the quality looks like it's better. It's not as mushy as it was before. Do you feel like that you're

Rene Ritchie (01:03:39):
Not flat

Alex Lindsay (01:03:40):
Still so much headroom.

Speaker 8 (01:03:41):
Yeah. There is still a lot of headroom. I also didn't know that it did portrait. So there's that? Yeah. If you, if

Leo Laporte (01:03:47):
You want, it's doing a nice portrait. Pretty

Speaker 8 (01:03:49):
Good. Yeah. Not a bad portrait, but this is a really good, a little bit clear. I don't look so potatoey as I <laugh>, as I

Leo Laporte (01:03:56):
Use now with less potato ladies and gentlemen,

Speaker 8 (01:03:59):
But it's also worth noting that I've got two very bright lights here, so I'm gonna turn those off and just pretend like I've only got my offices, overhead lights on. So here go without my, oh, I guess not, they don't wanna turn off. That's got my fancy fancy.

Leo Laporte (01:04:15):
It's all Iott. Isn't it. You need a switch, man.

Rene Ritchie (01:04:18):
Rosemary is controlling his lights.

Leo Laporte (01:04:20):
<Laugh> I have to say it looks better now, do you, you don't use that when you do iOS today, right?

Speaker 8 (01:04:26):
No, I do not. So

Leo Laporte (01:04:28):
There you go.

Speaker 8 (01:04:29):
Without the lights which still it's not as sort of grainy and potatoey as it was before. Yeah. There's the kind of comparison they've done a good job of smoothing without opening. Give

Leo Laporte (01:04:38):
Us a profile. Yeah. I think that looks a lot better, honestly. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:04:47):
I wish I could promise you

Leo Laporte (01:04:47):
Have flawless. You have such flawless skin. I'm

Andy Ihnatko (01:04:50):
Not saying

Leo Laporte (01:04:51):
I can't tell.

Andy Ihnatko (01:04:52):
We're not being, we're not being sarcastic. I feel, I, I thought it was a big deal that I shaved before the show I needed a profile. No, Scott you're. You're so

Leo Laporte (01:05:00):
Gorgeous. I know. So frustrating.

Speaker 8 (01:05:03):
Well, that's very kind. I it's all because of the, the updated,

Andy Ihnatko (01:05:07):
It it's starts sarcasm. Just like, just, just like, just like Rene and Alex, like inspire me to like get better lighting and better cameras. You're like, maybe I

Leo Laporte (01:05:16):
Should a better profile.

Andy Ihnatko (01:05:18):
Get the straight, get the straight razor. Just tidy

Leo Laporte (01:05:20):
Up these little, these little

Speaker 8 (01:05:22):

Andy Ihnatko (01:05:23):

Rene Ritchie (01:05:23):
There's nothing we can do. Like, I, I love you dearly, but you or I like, we're pretty much maxed out at this point. Mike has got so much. Okay. So much pretty headroom. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:05:31):
Before I turn so much charisma,

Leo Laporte (01:05:35):
Micah. Hey, thank you very much. Mike is Sarge at the host of iOS today and tech news weekly and producer of this show. And thank you for risking your brand new Mac studio by putting beta. Were you already in the developer

Speaker 8 (01:05:47):
Beta? I was not on the beta. I had to do the whole thing. So holy holy

Leo Laporte (01:05:49):

Speaker 8 (01:05:50):

Leo Laporte (01:05:50):
Welcome. Holy cow. I really appreciate it, but that's but honestly that's why, we're glad you have the studio display and the

Speaker 8 (01:05:57):
Exactly. So I was able to test it. Yeah. And I do think that they did, I, I can see that there was an improvement because as I said to you, I called some folks who are not even techy with the camera, the original camera. And they were like, Hey you know that thing, you always tell us where you tell us to wipe off the, the front facing camera. I think you need to do that. <Laugh> yeah, no, that's just the camera in this thing. No.

Leo Laporte (01:06:17):
Yeah. Thank you, Micah.

Speaker 8 (01:06:19):
No problem. Talk to you later.

Leo Laporte (01:06:20):
Great. Micah Sergeant, everybody legend. That's really great that he was able to do that. And we were able to get that done in such prompts and it's actually fixed. It looks fixed. At least it does big deal. Big story. Let's take a little break. Come back. We have lots more to talk about. You're watching Mack break weekly Rene Richie, Andy and ACO. Alex Lindsay. I do that very fast, John. I'm sorry please. Don't unionize. <Laugh> oh, I don't care.

Andy Ihnatko (01:06:48):
No, no. Raise raise the red flag of revolution. You have nothing it's almost

Leo Laporte (01:06:52):
Day. Any day now, right? Mayday work of the

Andy Ihnatko (01:06:57):
World tonight. Bindings. Yes, exactly. Yeah. I, I I'm at, you know, I'm, I'm going to be in New York city for Mayday. I'm anticipating that the annual big Mayday parade on Columbus avenue is gonna be slightly subdued this year. I'm I'm just guessing

Leo Laporte (01:07:10):

Alex Lindsay (01:07:10):
Just need a little, we just need to get a, get Billy brag up there and we we're good to

Leo Laporte (01:07:13):
Go. We had our big yearly parade on Saturday. And it was like, it was amazing. It was like the last two years never happened. No masks. Everybody's Mike was only guy wearing a mask. Everybody was out there partying. Snogging drinking beer. The day after we had the antique fear was even more crowded. At least here in little old Petaluma, if feels like the last two years are just a bad dream, much like Dallas <laugh> do you? Oh Patrick. <Laugh> one of the one of the things people wondered was why people who lived through the 1918 pandemic never talked about it. And now I know why, because I, I can, I can't even remember what happened between yeah, it was PTSD. It's like, yeah, it was, it turns out you were terrified for two years and you just forget about it.

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Rene Ritchie (01:11:55):
Is that if you don't find a pixel watch in the Bario, is that what <laugh>,

Leo Laporte (01:12:01):
You're referring to something that actually happened. I understand

Andy Ihnatko (01:12:04):
<Laugh> yes.

Rene Ritchie (01:12:05):
Yeah. That

Andy Ihnatko (01:12:07):
De dejavu <laugh> yeah. Yeah. That so the, the pixel watch is gonna be released in three weeks. A para currently somebody had a engineering sample and left behind in a restaurant. Wait a minute. You

Leo Laporte (01:12:18):
Know that it's gonna be announced at Google IO. Is that, is that what you're

Andy Ihnatko (01:12:21):
Saying? It's it, it seems very much. Yeah. I don't know for a fact, but it seems very much like it, there are a bunch of other signs before this, that pointed that out so much so that I haven't even talked about it. I didn't even talk about last week on, on my Google show

Leo Laporte (01:12:33):
Material, but

Andy Ihnatko (01:12:33):
Yeah. So, so in find so, so in and after the thing is what makes it weird is that nobody came to claim it after a few weeks. And so like the bartender had a friend who he knew was like kind of a nerd, so he gave it to him and he think it did that's Hyster. And yeah, I know. And, and, and Android central, unlike, unlike GI Moto, they have a lick of sense. So like this, this person just basically said, Hey, I, I really love Android central. Here's some pictures of, of, of what I think is the pixel watch that someone left behind in a, in a restaurant, so they didn't pay for it. They didn't solicit it. Their hands were absolutely clean, but now looks like, yeah, that's, that's odd. It, it show, it shows if, if, if anything has demonstrate to me that really the thing of it is, is that fact that at this point engineering samples are in the hands of such thunderheads as to a leave it behind in a restaurant and B not to be so panicked about it, that they retrace all of their steps and they didn't immediately get it back within two or three days.

Andy Ihnatko (01:13:35):
That that means that the web of people that are being led in on this are, is about as wide as it gets before release. It

Rene Ritchie (01:13:41):
Was Larry, as you're saying, right. You're just, you're not gonna admit it by telling us it was Larry.

Leo Laporte (01:13:43):
Larry had it again with a Larry. Oh,

Rene Ritchie (01:13:46):
So shout out to foodie from Android central, cuz she's one hell of a reporter. She did really

Andy Ihnatko (01:13:49):
Good job. Yeah, she did. She, she, she, she did a great shout. It, it was so much of a, it was, I know this isn't a Google pocket comparing it, comparing it to, I, I, I think that we can always refer back to what Gizmoto did as absolutely the worst way to do it. Not, not only that, but the, the Gizmoto report about the iPhone four. Was it? Or the, the iPhone four? I think four. Yeah. Yeah. It also didn't they had it and okay. If, if they're going to pay money for a device that belongs to Apple and that they know doesn't belong to the person, they bought it from. If they know they're buying all the goods, who may as well, like get an engineer who knows phones to look at this and say, gee, isn't it weird. I, I think that they're putting the, the antenna on the, on the outside of the case, which is something that they've never done before. All they did was, Hey, look, we've got pictures of the new phone. Hey, aren't we great. Whereas the Android central thing got, got as deep into it as they possibly could given the limited information that they had.

Leo Laporte (01:14:44):
What so I entered my serial number and I'm not eligible. Oh man. It's a good thing, Leo. No, I haven't had any problems. What was, what is the symptom? Your screen goes blank. Yeah. Oh, well, yeah. It's like, that's

Rene Ritchie (01:14:59):
A manufacturing issue.

Leo Laporte (01:15:00):
Yeah. I didn't have that. And it means

Rene Ritchie (01:15:01):
It's significant enough that they're gonna do this because this is like, like all the companies, they have like a series of reporting systems that escalate these issues. When they reach a critical mass, they have like recalls versus like per it in full fix it for you programs.

Leo Laporte (01:15:13):
I guess we should, by the way, Andy, talk about the pixel watch a little bit, because you can use it on an iPhone, unlike the Apple watch, which you can't use on an Android phone.

Andy Ihnatko (01:15:24):
Yeah. It's it's it looks, it looks really good. It doesn't look a piece of trash. What I like about it,

Leo Laporte (01:15:31):
All we know is this one picture from the bar. Well, but it must look hot though.

Andy Ihnatko (01:15:36):
It looks, but it does, but it does, but it does match all the renders we've been seeing. It does for the past year. I like the fact that it, it looks like, it looks like just the round, like watch

Leo Laporte (01:15:44):
Looks like a pocket watch. There's no band on it.

Andy Ihnatko (01:15:46):
Yeah, exactly. There's there's like a metal, the person who had it actually also did a Reddit AMA. And so I heals like a quality object. It doesn't feel like a plastic like fitness watch, but also I like the fact that they're doing this, they stole the same trick that Apple uses where the screen is not, does not go all the way to the edge of the device, but it's inside a black BELE that makes it look like the screen is actually the entire bulge of that surface is one big screen. And with no banding that really shows you there, you with no banding that really shows on the wrist. That could be really cool. Has the, has the scroll, the scroll stem seems to have two two buttons,

Leo Laporte (01:16:23):
Click buttons

Andy Ihnatko (01:16:23):
Above and below it. Yeah. And it seems to have interchangeable bands, although not the stand, the, the, the complaints that people are making in response to this is that, oh, geez. I, I, I wish that used like other fitness, other fitness companies, they have like standard watch bands that were yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:16:38):
Little ding. Those are so hard to put on same company. Yeah. Yeah. There's the button, but that,

Andy Ihnatko (01:16:44):
But, but that, but that's exactly why you're also hearing, you're also hearing people saying, oh, I bet this was planted as a PR stunt that no, I'm, I'm pretty sure. Not because every, everybody who has ever like had advanced hardware from anybody knows that they would not just simply drop it off and then let anybody pick it up and then just let, without any information about it, spread whatever speculation that people want to have about it. If they were to do this, they would like leak it to somebody that they trust. And they <inaudible> is very simpatico with whatever this product is going to be. They would give them a deep, deep, deep training cycle on background. And then like, to make sure that whatever they say about it, it's after two weeks of being coached about exactly what all these features are, why that then, you know,

Leo Laporte (01:17:29):
Here's the, here's what it looks like compared to an Apple watch's restaurant and Marquez's re and the class Samsung galaxy watch. Yeah, it looks great. It looks, I think it's pretty, I like, it kind of looks like it's kind of bulging up a little bit. It looks

Rene Ritchie (01:17:43):
Different. Yeah. It looks like I forget like poco or somebody announced their they're debuting their watch. It looks like the first gen Apple watch you.

Leo Laporte (01:17:49):
Why even bother

Rene Ritchie (01:17:50):
This looks different.

Andy Ihnatko (01:17:51):
It's great. But, but you can tell it's not final, it's not final hardware because I was, I, I immediately like zoomed in the photo to see like what all the writing on the back of it for like, oh, what is it saying about the sensor? Was it thing about this and felt the text, which, which would be, I'm sure the finals gonna be, you know, heart rate, sensor depth. I P 68, whatever, if it's actually Laura, ipsum text it's Greek

Leo Laporte (01:18:13):
Text. Right, right. So <laugh>, so this, that pretty cool. Yeah. This is a prototype I would, yeah. Interesting. Okay. I still think the Apple watch kind of slays all, but

Andy Ihnatko (01:18:22):
No, you're, you know, you, I start somewhere again, getting, again, getting back to Apple, like I'm, I'm gonna buy this because I feel like I have to, as part of, for like my library also, I have, because I bought like $1,100 phone from the Google store. And I get, because I'm a member of Google one, I get 10% back in store credit. So basically I'm gonna be able to get it for like much like $110 off. So that's another reason to get it. But honestly, if this doesn't really do it for me, I'm gonna give up a on, on Android wear or S I'm just gonna say, I don't care how hard it is to, to sync it to my iPhone 10 that spends most of its time, like in a, in a, in a storage closet, I'm gonna just buy an Apple watch and that's going to be my fitness watch. Because like, like you said, there's just nothing that even approaches it. I, I I'm, I'm tired. I'm tired of, I'm tired of having to drive a Traut in the Eastern Germany while all across the border. I see people walking. It is

Leo Laporte (01:19:15):
What it feels like

Andy Ihnatko (01:19:16):
Out in Mercedes Benzs and BB BMWs. You know, you

Rene Ritchie (01:19:19):
Can pull a, leus just have a yeah. Nice

Andy Ihnatko (01:19:21):
One in the door.

Alex Lindsay (01:19:22):
I just don't. You got, see many other watches, you know, it's, you know, I don't see many other watches out in the wild.

Leo Laporte (01:19:28):
There's a, lot's amazing watches out there. You see some Fitbits, there's a lot of Fitbits. Some

Rene Ritchie (01:19:33):

Leo Laporte (01:19:33):
Yeah. A few of those, you must hang out with oligarchs. Okay. And Cassie

Rene Ritchie (01:19:38):
Oligarchs. I love that Leo.

Alex Lindsay (01:19:40):
All my oligarch frames. Yeah,

Rene Ritchie (01:19:41):
Exactly. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:19:43):
You know, this, what what's surprising is Google's never made a watch. You know, we think about Google where, and where OS and where watches, but it was always Motorola or fossil or somebody Google never made a watch watches. Yeah. And I I'm curious what the Fitbit acquisition will, how it will inform what they do with this watch. It could be a really good watch, you know?

Andy Ihnatko (01:20:04):
Yeah. I'm, I'm surprised that they mark, mark Olo, the head of hardware at Google consumer hardware, Rick, I'm sorry. Rick Olo said that we're this year, we're still not gonna see a real result of the Fitbit acquisition. That won't be until like next year, which kind of surprised me because I would've thought that the first thing they wanted to be able to do is let's all this, let's get all this together to all the hardware knowhow with all of the like pixel styling, all the, all the OS knowhow that we have. So I don't know. We'll, we'll find out, but like I said, I'm, I'm done waiting. I'm I'm again, I'm, I'm, I'm driving this two stroke engine made out of compressed cotton and people are on the auto Bon at 180 kilometers an hour with the top down. That's not right.

Leo Laporte (01:20:48):
How much does Apple charge for its Thunderbolt for cable?

Rene Ritchie (01:20:54):

Leo Laporte (01:20:54):
Oh, well, okay. So that much charge your lab on you. I tell

Rene Ritchie (01:20:58):
You something, Leo. Yeah. I, I only buy Thunderbolt cables now because the USBC for standard has become, so unstandardized you gotta,

Leo Laporte (01:21:06):
I don't know what

Rene Ritchie (01:21:06):
Powers need

Leo Laporte (01:21:07):
Thing. No, you gotta max it up. Yeah.

Rene Ritchie (01:21:08):
That's the only way to, to actually know that I'm getting what I need to be getting. Otherwise I have some problem with charging or some problem with speed. It

Leo Laporte (01:21:14):
It's, I might have to order a couple of these this is yeah, 159 bucks, but on this YouTube tear down charger lab, tan down, you maybe will have a better idea of why it's so expensive and actually took it apart. And there's a lot of technology inside these, this watch it's I mean, watch cable. This is kind of amazing. There's a little computer in that little thing that,

Rene Ritchie (01:21:42):
Yeah. You've gotta regulate charging speeds and power outputs. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:21:45):
What is it doing? Is it, I mean, is wow, that's incredible.

Rene Ritchie (01:21:50):
I mean, it's super easy for like the Intels and all the companies to say, oh, well, it'll have alt modes and it'll support this charge and that charge, but like the cable's gotta implement.

Leo Laporte (01:21:56):
It's got an Intel re timer chip for, for Thunderbolt. It reduces signal jitter. There's a chip marked, a tiny little silver chip called three CD. It's a crystal oscillator. So that's for timing. Right? There's an infin on chip there <laugh> is that the, I don't know. Is that the same infinity that just went on at a business? I don't know. 

Rene Ritchie (01:22:19):
They were bought by Intel, right?

Leo Laporte (01:22:21):
Oh, did Intel buy 'em okay. Company that power con converter IC there's look at all this circuits on here. This is incredible, I guess 159 bucks, but do other Thunderbolt cables not have this stuff?

Rene Ritchie (01:22:36):
They're not cheap. Like, even if I was looking through Amazon, cause I, I literally did. I bought Thunderbolt cables for everything. I bought like a dozen Thunderball cables and it was super expensive. Yeah. Even like the cheapest good ones that I could find. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:22:47):
Pretty amazing. So charger lab. Nice, nice job spending 159 bucks and then taking it apart.

Rene Ritchie (01:22:54):
<Laugh> like to Alex's previous point, like I would plug in a cable and I would get like very slow. If I was trying to copy media back and forth, it would take forever. You plug in the Thunderball cable. It just

Leo Laporte (01:23:02):
Works love of shit. She

Rene Ritchie (01:23:04):
Has no, you don't care what USB it is. You don't care what charging speed it is. It just works. So

Leo Laporte (01:23:08):
If you buy the Thunderbolt and this is thunder belt four, by the way, if you buy a Thunderbolt four cable, you know, it will step down with every previous technology. It will support, like it's just gonna support 'em. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Probably worth buying a couple of those. 159. Wow.

Rene Ritchie (01:23:26):
I think I, I bought Thunderbolt three cables. Cause it was, it was several months ago and I don't have any problem with them on Thunderbolt four ports. I don't when get don't don't write me. Don't don't email me. Don't bash me on TWiTtter or for saying that, but I have no problem with them.

Leo Laporte (01:23:38):
Let me just look on Amazon and see, see there's 59 bucks. Anchor has a Thunderbolt four cable for 50, 50 bucks.

Rene Ritchie (01:23:45):
I think anchor's the ones that I got.

Leo Laporte (01:23:47):
I like cable matters, but this is a USB four Thunderbolt for which tells me it's not a Thunderbolt for right. I don't know

Rene Ritchie (01:23:57):
Us. So Thunderbolt USB four supports Thunderbolt or, and vice versa through an alt mode. Like it's, it's, it's way more complicated than any human should ever like

Leo Laporte (01:24:04):
This it's insane. Here's one of the least expensive from other world computing Thunderbolt certified one meter, 40 gig gigabyte gigabits per second, trans data transfer hundred wat power charger. And

Rene Ritchie (01:24:16):
For short cables, it probably doesn't matter if it starts to get the long cables, then that kinda stuff mess starts to matter a lot.

Leo Laporte (01:24:21):
Yeah. Oh, here's the cheapest one. So far 25 bucks. It's <laugh> wait a minute. That's USB four. I don't know that's

Rene Ritchie (01:24:30):
Thunderbolt for, I dunno. I don't buy for brands. I don't know because it's not

Leo Laporte (01:24:33):
Like the frustration. I know. Oh, here's a really cheap one $19. This one doesn't claim certification by anybody plug will makes good stuff there. They have a Thunderbolt certified cable. So I guess if I were really you know, enterprising, I would buy them all test them. Maybe Benson, Leon would will take this on Benson. I'm I'm gonna put it on you. It's your job

Rene Ritchie (01:24:59):
Benson. It also means like, if you're just hooking up something and you don't care, like it's fine. Save some money if you're like Alex and you're streaming the first meeting with the Vulcans on planet earth, you know, he's gonna, he's gonna get the best cable. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (01:25:10):
We do spend a lot of money on cables.

Leo Laporte (01:25:12):
<Laugh> Hey. Yeah. I bet you do. Yeah, I bet you do. And you, yeah, you don't want a cheap cable to, to screw up a big, big shoot,

Alex Lindsay (01:25:21):
You know, you know, and you'd be surprised at how often it comes down to a bad cable somewhere. Right. You know, and, and that's why we not so heavily. And like, it it's like one bad connector, one bad cable. One, someone closed the door on one of my cables, you know, and, and suddenly lost

Leo Laporte (01:25:34):
All of them. No, I'm, you know, Steve Gibson, we were having all sorts of trouble with his connection for ages. And you know, Steve said, well, I buy from level four. I know, I know it's all perfect. It turned out was one bad ethernet cable the whole time. And I, you know, it's hard to find something like that, but,

Rene Ritchie (01:25:53):
And we learned with H D I that even for, they're not well shielded, like if you want like HDR and you want do like, you want Adobe vision and you want Doby Atmos, and it's not a shielded cable. Doesn't matter that it's certified. It's not gonna work. You gotta get the more expensive one that shielded because

Leo Laporte (01:26:05):
Physics is a jerk. Yeah. Mac OS server is, I thought they killed it years ago, but I thought,

Speaker 9 (01:26:15):
I thought I was gone too. I was like, really

Andy Ihnatko (01:26:18):
Told me the Apple Unix is gonna be next to the chopping

Leo Laporte (01:26:21):

Speaker 9 (01:26:21):
I thought was thought that was in, like I thought I went to the funeral.

Leo Laporte (01:26:24):
Yeah. Didn't yeah. Anyway, as of April 21st bookies, Apple has discontinued the $20 Mac OS server. I think you could probably get everything you, you want by just installing some programs into Monterey, but anyway yeah, weird. Isn't it? Makos server. We hardly knew ye

Rene Ritchie (01:26:50):
We pour one out,

Leo Laporte (01:26:52):
Pour one out R I P Apple watch mark. Gorman's doubling down. And he said this on the show a few weeks ago on his prediction that there will be satellite connectivity in the new iPhone. And maybe even in the Apple watch.

Andy Ihnatko (01:27:09):
Yeah. Emergency

Rene Ritchie (01:27:11):

Andy Ihnatko (01:27:11):
I don't like know about this.

Leo Laporte (01:27:12):
Yeah. You wouldn't, it's not, you're not gonna send text messages to your mom this way.

Andy Ihnatko (01:27:17):
Right. Right. The, the, the, the, the company that they, that this rumor is attached to, they make they, they make a battery powered, like they're essentially rescue devices that can definitely connect directly to satellites, but they're only sending like 40 character messages. Like they're sending locations. It's an

Leo Laporte (01:27:34):
Emergency message. Yeah. I'm lost.

Andy Ihnatko (01:27:37):
And so, and, and I can, I can sort of get it if it were, if it were an iPhone feature, I, which then, then we'd have a discussion on, well, what's the point of this? Why is this so important that they'd want to add this, but the, the thing about doing it in a watch, my goodness. I mean, we, GPS works cuz you're just receiving a radio signal. That's cheap power wise, sending a signal to a satellite in a low warning site that is gonna like, do you, do you want to send, do you wanna send your location or do you want to essentially have navigation to try to help you get off this mountain? I don't, I don't know how, how useful that could be on a battery as small. It's what you'd find on a watch.

Leo Laporte (01:28:18):
Yeah. mark does say the iPhone 14 will also feature this emergency satellite con activity features. He has confirmed what go, minchi says that the non-pro iPhone models will be a 15 based. In other words, this year's chip only the new pro models will have the, a 16 chip.

Alex Lindsay (01:28:45):
I think that one thing also with the satellite, I think, I think it definitely would be an emergency as, as Andy's pointing out. And I think that the, the big problem you get into is you have no cellular and your phone actually knows where you are. It just doesn't know where that is. <Laugh> so, so if it, you know, if, if it could just be able to load just enough for you to kind of get a sense of where you are, it would make a huge difference. But yeah, it seems like it would be something you'd turn on the afterburner and got like a half an hour with your phone before it's done.

Rene Ritchie (01:29:11):
Yeah. My understanding is that it's not like a, it's not like a, a new connectivity type it's, it's an extension of the international nine one, one like emergency yeah. Call anywhere thing, because there some places where you're just out of carrier and this will let those SOS messages get sent. Yeah. And it will cost a little bit, but like it's better than freezing to death in the Tundra. Like I worry about.

Alex Lindsay (01:29:29):
And we've had, there have been some people who have had an iPhone that got themselves turned around and didn't have connectivity and died, you know, like in, yeah. In the cars, you know? So, so, so I think that it's it's yeah. It's it. Point what would make a difference,

Leo Laporte (01:29:41):
James Kim.

Alex Lindsay (01:29:43):
Yep. That's what the great

Rene Ritchie (01:29:45):
ING she is now blogging. He's got a medium blog. Like first he was TWiTttering. Now he's blogging. What is everyone who used to just publish his report, supposed to do to make a living now <laugh> who thinks about the bloggers

Alex Lindsay (01:29:55):

Leo Laporte (01:29:55):
First mark Germond does a newsletter. Now goming G there a blog. My God, what's the world coming to I'm

Rene Ritchie (01:30:01):
Medium. If nothing

Leo Laporte (01:30:02):
Else on medium 

Rene Ritchie (01:30:04):
Really geeky

Leo Laporte (01:30:05):
Garman says that beyond an attempt to differentiate the pro models of global chip shortage may be one reason why they are gonna be a little hard to get those a 16 chips Apple. It

Rene Ritchie (01:30:19):
Might also just be the node like, so they're, they even they're having problems like as you get smaller and smaller, it becomes more and more difficult to make these node advances. And they were on a, they were on a five nanometer, which is just a marketing name. It doesn't really mean a measurement. It's five nanometer. And now the current a fifteens are on the second generation and five P node, which is a more efficient version of that node. So they get like five to 10% faster frequencies off of that because of the, the, the increased density and production of all of the, the chips that come off, that node, they're supposed to be moving to three nanometers, but it sounds like that's been delayed. So they're gonna be moving to what they call four nanometers. But it's really like, as we got used to with Intel language over the last few years, it's really an optimized cycle.

Rene Ritchie (01:30:58):
So instead of TikTok TikTok, it becomes TikTok optimize TikTok. So it sounds like the that's what we're getting next. And that means that Apple's not gonna get the kinds of improvements they were hoping for, with a three nanometer, which is a real like shrink down where you can more transistors in the same space or the same transistors in less space. So if, if they have limited capacity, even of that node, like if TSMC says we just cannot provide enough chip sets to make like a full iPhone order, I'll, we'll have to prioritize and say, okay, we'll do the pros on this one. And then we'll, we'll stick with a 15 for now. So

Leo Laporte (01:31:29):
M two is a 15 related based. Yes. Gorman's saying they're also working on an M three, which would be presumably a 16 based IMAX, but that obviously

Rene Ritchie (01:31:42):
It could skip at some point because they're going like every 18 months. And at some point they're gonna skip one, like they did with the, with the ax chips. But yeah, so far it looks like the, a 15 is for the M two and then we'll see what the M three ends up being.

Leo Laporte (01:31:53):
He writes since then, I've heard that the M two chips, aren't the only ones in testing with Apple. And if you're waiting for a new iMac, Garman says, I'm hearing an M three version of that desktop is already in the works. Although I imagine it won't launch it until the end of next year at the earliest. And he still says an iMac pro is coming, just not in my

Rene Ritchie (01:32:14):
Understanding is like, they don't know. And I, I know what people hate that because like mark like nine to five max a at their sources to say, it's not coming, mark says, his sources say is coming. And the answer is, yes, it's, Schrodinger's iMac right now, Apple put out the Mac studio and they're waiting to see how we react to it. And if it covers the same ground that the iMac did, they have no need to release an iMac. But if it doesn't, if people still feel like there's a market for the iMac, then they will, it's not like the iPhone where they have to have one out every year on the year, they can afford to sit back and look at the market opportunities and say what fills that? And maybe it'll be a bigger iMac. I mean, who knows, but there there's, there's no right answer to that yet, because I don't think Apple's decided yet.

Leo Laporte (01:32:48):
He also says a 48 megapixel wide camera exclusive to the iPhone 14 pro and a new notch cons rising a pill shaped cutout for face ID and a circular cutout for the camera. So a dual punch, I guess.

Andy Ihnatko (01:33:08):
Yep. I wonder what what's gonna happen with the rumors about about included Periscope camera on, on an upcoming iPhone next year, because that's, that would, that is gonna be, that will be pretty huge when it actually happens, because that, that means that you now, you now have you now have enough optical distance between the lens and the sensor to actually do a lot of like real book effects to do a lot of real zoom effects that you wouldn't be able to do before.

Leo Laporte (01:33:33):
We've mentioned before that the, the satellite story might be prompted by a satellite company trying to, you know, be E up it's shares global star, which is is the company that most people are quoting, apparently reached an agreement to buy 17 satellites to support continuous satellite services for a quote potential unnamed client paid hundreds of millions of dollars for that. So, yeah. That, you know,

Andy Ihnatko (01:34:06):
And, and that, that would be interesting if that if, if Apple decided that it's within our interest to have our own satellite constellation, what could Apple thinking? What could we do if we have our own constellation to send again, not to, not for access to the internet, but to send short burst of information from devices that don't necessarily have to have like big antennas and big battery packs. I, I would like, I, I, I think Apple would be the company to do thi do things as simple as look they're people who get lost without cell co without cell service, this will help them say get their lives themselves found and rescued. But I also wonder what that would do for like a, an advanced find my network, what that would do for for, for, for a car system, for instance, where if you don't necessarily have to count on having access to a GPS network, don't have to, don't have to have access to reliable digital, inter broad, excuse me, mobile broadband. That's that's interesting. Apple could do something really interesting with that.

Alex Lindsay (01:35:04):
And we have to remember that, that, that getting signals from the satellite is not hard getting signals to the satellite is hard. So if you're, if you have a satellite service, that's only receiving data, you, you know, that's, we get that with GPS. That's what we're doing, we're receiving data. And so, so, so that's, that's a doable thing. And we have lots of tools that we use to, to gather data, which are very small devices that don't require a lot of power to get GPS information out, but, but to send it back up to the satellite is a big deal. So I think that it's less of a communicating up and, or, and more of a getting something to back down again. So

Andy Ihnatko (01:35:37):
It's to

Rene Ritchie (01:35:37):
Be so like, you can send an alert if you're like lost in the wilderness, or if you come upon a natural disaster, you can press a button and help report that there is AEG, legitimate, natural, like it's not supposed to be for trivial, anything trivial other than life and death,

Andy Ihnatko (01:35:49):
Because you talk about the amount of traffic. If there are, there're allow people simply press a button and transmit data on that network, just on a whim, you know, on an iPhone scale. Yeah. You need, you need more than 17 satellites. I think to make that work

Leo Laporte (01:36:03):
Elliot, she was flying home with his new wife, from their wedding in South Africa to their home in the UK, when air Lingus lost their bags, he, he then tweeted perhaps a PowerPoint presentation on the journey. You've set my lost stolen bag on will help. I've told you multiple times where it is and you're doing nothing about it. It turns out he had an air tag in the bag, knows exactly where the bag is. So he posted a PowerPoint presentation. So a Lingus would finally find his bag and get it back to him.

Andy Ihnatko (01:36:48):
Yeah, that's ironic. It's nice. It's nice when you get to be snotty about it <laugh> oh, well, that's funny. Like he's got, and that's not the first person to do it. There are people who are also just on, if there's shippings something, that's kind of valuable it that they feel as though it doesn't, it's not that much that much money to spend, to simply put an air tag inside the package so that if it does get quote lost, or if they say, oh, well, it's it's still in it's it's still in Germany say, well, actually it's according to the air tag that I slipped into it it's actually in Los Angeles. So you don't know where it is to

Leo Laporte (01:37:17):
You, <laugh> you, it ended up, it ended up in in the she's home via courier, a Lingus said he said the bag's stuck in Frankfurt. <Laugh> a Lingus, routed it to London, delivered it to their home address in Sury 10:00 PM. Oh, but wait, there's only two bags. The third, his new wife's suitcase containing wedding cars, handwritten notes from the lodge. They stayed at an order of service and itineraries they made for the guest was at a random address in Pinco in central London. Further messaging <laugh> he tweeted. I love this one message. AR Lingus. Give me my bag back. I've told you where it is. <Laugh> it's now moved a few streets down. You've given my bag to someone else. This is stolen. I filed a police report. <Laugh> you know what? The moral of this story is, put an air tag in your bag. You never mess with Irish, John Ruber <laugh> he does look like John Ruber doesn't he? He does. Let me see here. The CNN travel says let's see. I'm hoping he got it back. Nope. a couple believes it's been stolen and reported at the police and that's the last we've heard of it. So

Alex Lindsay (01:38:43):
We, we had a, which the D we had a GPS tracker on one of our, on one of our shipments. So we had a GPS tracker that someone threw in as a good, just like an idea, like, oh, we'll see what happens. We wanna see what, what happens with DHL takes something to Germany. And they were DHL would tell it was in Berlin. We're like, no, it's in Stu card. <Laugh> and they're like, it's in Berlin. And we're like, it's in Stuard. They're like, we know where that case is. And we sent them a GPS picture of like their warehouse with it, like sitting in the corner. We're like, that's where it is. Like we would like, we need it in Berlin tomorrow. <Laugh>. And so, so they, they sorted it out, but it was funny. Gpss are, are powerful.

Leo Laporte (01:39:17):
As long as we're traveling, let's go to Singapore because we've got a new shot on iPhone short film shot on an iPhone 13 pro Singapore food for the creator of chef's table, David gel.

Alex Lindsay (01:39:29):
Oh boy.

Leo Laporte (01:39:30):
Get ready to get hungry. Talk about it.

Alex Lindsay (01:39:35):
Rogers got direct into an

Leo Laporte (01:39:37):
No, the food in Singapore is amazing because it's an amalgam of Chinese Malaysian. Yeah. Vietnamese, you know, Southeast Asian cuisine. It's so good. Oh, so good. So wow. All shot on an iPhone. Got super. And he's the

Alex Lindsay (01:39:55):
Perfect. He is the perfect person to do it, but oh yeah. He's, you know, he, he did the, you know, hero dreams of, of sushi. So with like a partially with a 5g and a red. Oh, I didn't know that. And then the, yeah, yeah. That's

Leo Laporte (01:40:09):
If you haven't seen that

Alex Lindsay (01:40:10):
Boy. Oh, it's amazing. And then he did the, the first couple episodes, first couple seasons of chess table, and which is one of my were chosen. And, and the first season you could tell he was still using some of his 5g stuff. And then it was like the second season. He was like, and now we'll use Aries.

Leo Laporte (01:40:26):

Alex Lindsay (01:40:27):

Leo Laporte (01:40:27):
Like little money from the old Netflix. Did we?

Alex Lindsay (01:40:29):
Exactly. Now, now we're moving on. So

Leo Laporte (01:40:31):
Here's the making of which is great. There's a three minute companion video where he shows how he made it, shows rig look at this. This

Alex Lindsay (01:40:40):
Is awesome. Apple should do these every week. Just, just the

Leo Laporte (01:40:43):
Making is so valuable because you can get some great ideas yeah. For how to get these shots. Like you said, aler, Tripo he get it locked in. That's hysterical. Oh my gosh. Wow. But you can really get in there. Yeah. I'm not sure it's the best for interviews, but you can really get in there for the food shots.

Rene Ritchie (01:41:02):
My favorite part of the, the table show was when they had like people who worked at the French laundry mat with imposter syndrome. And you're figuring like, like if you have imposter syndrome, there's just no hope for the rest of us. Yeah. Like you're a five, whatever Micheline, Jeff. And you're still worried about your,

Alex Lindsay (01:41:15):
You mean French? Did you say French laundry?

Rene Ritchie (01:41:18):
Yeah. French laundry. Yeah. Is

Alex Lindsay (01:41:19):
That yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:41:21):
I'm so hungry

Andy Ihnatko (01:41:22):
Stuff. Like that's gonna become more and more relevant now that there, now that even in San Francisco, you can't be shooting video with anything that doesn't look like a phone because you're gonna be robbed a gunpoint. Right.

Leo Laporte (01:41:33):
Right. Although honestly, maybe Robb is your phone too. I just read about a guy who, okay. Two 11 year olds ran up, took his phone and ran off. So you're pretty much don't bring anything to San Francisco,

Alex Lindsay (01:41:45):
Especially. I mean, this is a little over the top, but when you think about corporate video, educational video, home video you can take it an awful long way. Just with

Leo Laporte (01:41:56):
The phone. Look, he's doing the rack, focus the, from the chicken to the chef. Oh,

Rene Ritchie (01:42:02):
How that chicken looks. It is

Leo Laporte (01:42:03):
Amazing. And he says, look, these are tiny street hawkers. There's no room in there for a camera package.

Alex Lindsay (01:42:09):
Well, and you're just a, you're a lot of times with, with a lot of the stuff you can, you get a lot less of attention. I shoot with my iPhone all over the world. Exactly. You know, and it's, and it's and it, you can shoot some great footage with it. Absolutely. <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:42:22):
Dribbling another

Andy Ihnatko (01:42:23):
Dope of the

Leo Laporte (01:42:24):
Phone. Oh, it's kind of, he's hand holding the phone for a macro shot of chicken with rice. Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:42:30):
Oh, you know what I was, I, I was just gonna boil some noodles tonight. Get a year old from, from neighborhood restaurant. Yeah. It's a,

Leo Laporte (01:42:39):
Yeah. Or go to go to shuns Chimbu station in Tokyo and get a little sushi. They'd probably get a reservation by now. Look at that. He attached. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Wait a minute. He, I'm gonna have to tell Henry about this top, the record, if want that he, he attached the iPhone to a lever. <Laugh> okay. I'm gonna send this to salt Hank. Right now what's what's

Andy Ihnatko (01:43:04):
The IP rating for like chicken guts. <Laugh> Could be immersed next to like chicken fat for, for up to 30 minutes or, well

Leo Laporte (01:43:12):
Now, given this is I funded by Apple. I imagine he many iPhones as he needed to, to make this make this work with like

Rene Ritchie (01:43:18):
Lindsay, when he fills up an iPhone, he throws up behind him and walks on with an fresh iPhone

Leo Laporte (01:43:21):

Rene Ritchie (01:43:22):
TA's job to get the footage off. Look at

Leo Laporte (01:43:24):
That. He attaches a rig to the tray as he bring, I love the Cleaver shot. That's incredible. This is amazing. All right. Highly recommended. It's all on Apple's YouTube channel. If you want Apple,

Alex Lindsay (01:43:35):
Apple should be these. They should be, they should be every week. I agree. They should be showing one every week. They should take all that footage and put it into final cut and they should, oh

Leo Laporte (01:43:43):

Alex Lindsay (01:43:43):
Release. Just like they do with some of the stuff in logic. The logic team seems to understand this better than the <laugh> the, that the logic you get whole projects from Billy I other folks. So they had to put the whole thing into into final cut and then just release these edits, you know, with, you know, here's the final piece. Here's the behind the scenes, here's the edits. And what I would do is even do like a live Q and a with the, the director, you know, and you know, at some point to just get everyone into it and then let them wanna play with the footage and, and try to do it themselves. It'd be really a good idea.

Leo Laporte (01:44:14):
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Andy Ihnatko (01:47:48):
Mine is something that really helps. It's a it's, it's a development tool that really helps me out because I'm a, I'm a dabbler. When it comes to software development. I have an idea for something that I want to build. I've had, I've built lots of apps, lots of, lots of code, but not enough that I've become proficient at anything. So I kind of have to start from square one, almost, almost, always again. And one of the problems I've always had is dealing with with API servers. Like one of the things I wanna build is I want to build, I there, there are a lot of apps for the phone that will like tell you when the next train is coming or, you know, for transit, stuff like that. I don't want that. I just want one that simply tells me that knows that I'm waiting for this specific train on this line of the commuter rail station.

Andy Ihnatko (01:48:29):
And I want to try to figure out what I want, basically, a, a widget that just simply says here is the track that the, that the train that you're waiting for is gonna be on. And the MBTA system has a really great set of APIs for that, but I'm not familiar with interacting with API servers. So there's a lot of trial and error to figure out just how this system works. So I found this really great tool that's used by professionals called postman. You've go to and it is like a gai for these like API requests. That's

Leo Laporte (01:48:59):
So cool. Wow.

Andy Ihnatko (01:49:00):
So, so instead of, yeah, so instead of like sending this really weirdly formatted curl request in the, in, in the terminal, it is just, here is every, here is the URL of where that API is here is like one variable. Here's basically a table that lists all the parameters you need to feed it. You basically give it the variables that you think is gonna give you the result. You want, you click a button and then it shows you what the server set kicked you back. And so for that, basically what it means is that over the course of maybe one evening, I was able to figure out, okay, if I wanna get this information from the N BTAS API server, here's the request that I have to make. And now that goes into swift, or that goes into my development environment. At least I know that that is a solved thing.

Andy Ihnatko (01:49:39):
If this thing, if this thing is not working, it's not because I don't understand how to send a request. And, and once you start using it and you start realizing that there's you it'll work with anything, but it also has, like, it also knows about TWiTtter's APIs. It knows about APIs for a whole bunch of different services. So if you wanna see GE I wonder what I could do with like, getting alerts from TWiTtter. If I wanna write that into an app, you can just play with it. And it's just so much fun to just figure out that it, instead of using the graphical interface that was provided to you by this service to suddenly build your own tools, even if it doesn't do nearly as much as the TWiTtter client does, it's fun to basically create stuff that that, that, that invokes the genie on your own. So it's, it's free. It's if you, if you're using it for like real app development with teams, it costs money for individuals for quick, it costs nothing. There's a Mac client, there's also a web client. But yeah, it's, if you've ever had a curiosity about how apps talk to services, get information from that service, get, send information to that service. It's a fun thing to play with.

Leo Laporte (01:50:41):
Very cool. What do you, I didn't know, you do this, so you have like a little a box on your wallet that says when the next training is or something like that. Or I

Andy Ihnatko (01:50:50):
Have, I have a little B, I have a little, a little like a handheld, like little square thing with a screen art that I bought from ADA fruit that runs PI that runs Python or circuit Python. And so I've, I've what I, what I want to do is I just wanna have this tiny little poster stamp, little thing that just simply says next, next, next train. On the, on the Providence, Don and line is, is, is at seven 30. It will be, it will be departing on track. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:51:16):
That's so cool

Andy Ihnatko (01:51:18):
Because it, it doesn't give you the thing is the API does not give you the track information, but there is like the, the railroad yard has its own little system. So if you basically do some calculated guesses, you can basically say there's a really good chance that it's gonna be track eight this time. So while, while, while I'm waiting for 20 minutes, I wanna have something to do. So I kind of wanna be like the James Bond or the James Bond villain, who has this little thing in his Palm. That just simply, I know it would be easier to do it as an app, but it wouldn't be as cool as have this device that does nothing, but just gives here's the number here's the, it gives me a P2 B, Hey, I've got the information for you. How funny? It's, it's a, it's a wonderful waste of time and resources. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:51:59):
No. That's, that's what programming. All's very

Andy Ihnatko (01:52:01):
Much my brand. Exactly,

Leo Laporte (01:52:02):
Exactly. <Laugh> that's your brand? <Laugh> postman now I was showing it, it said Linux down, cuz I'm on a Linux machine, but they have it for a Macs for M one as well as Intel. Very cool. Very neat. And there's a web interface as well. Alex Lindsay, your pick of the week.

Alex Lindsay (01:52:19):
Yeah, about once a year, I get to <laugh> recommend some great upgrade from Maxon cinema 40. I've been using cinema 40 on and off for over 20 years now. And it is I think the best all around 3d package, you know, out there right now. And it, you know, there's a lot of great packages. There's really high end stuff in my end, Houdini and so and so forth, but something that's approachable that you can still produce, just incredible graphics on cinema 40 does everything from realistic to broadcast and broadcast graphics. They've kind of taken over by really paying attention to what a lot of us need for, for those kinds of looks. And and so they it's just really evolved and this, they just announced last week, the, the upgrades and, you know, one of the things that they did for people like me who are playing around with photo geometry is that they haven't, they took the Z reme.

Alex Lindsay (01:53:08):
So Maxon of course bought ZBrush. Or, and and so they have now have they've taken what we all use to re basically rebuild our surfaces. So when you shoot something in, in photogrammetry, you end up with way more polygons, way more geometry than you need. And how do you smartly reduce that so that you still have all the detail, but you don't have more, more weight. And so they took we for years. What we've done is we've taken our scans and we take 'em into Z rush and we use the Z reme to, or we we've used their, the Z tools to basically pull that back. Maxon has now put that into cinema 40 so that you can just do it while you're there. They also have, have a lot of upgrades to their cloth cloth simulators as well and Redshift, which is a renderer that they, that they bought as well.

Alex Lindsay (01:53:54):
They're now incorporating to, into everything that they're doing, which just makes it a lot easier to work with the, the best one though, this is, this is not part I said before to you, but I mean, it's, it it's really good is the VFX suite. They, you have to see the video of they. They built, you know, a lot of us, you know, we talk about lens flares and in the old days you'd simulate a lens. You'd create a lens flare that had these little stars and everything else. They now have a real lens flare that actually calculates through different lenses, calculates the light path so that you can get the, the lens flare that matches that lens. You know, like it's a, it's a for people like me, who do, who look at over the top solutions, that's, it's over the top. It's of amazing.

Alex Lindsay (01:54:34):
It's really cool. Yeah. And so, so anyway, it's just you know, and I've gotten to watch, I can still remember there was, they had this little 3d chain that you moved around and we were at Lucas film just going, I can't believe we're doing this in real time on a Mac and was probably 1997. So so that's been a long time, 25 years now. And I think that what I like about it is is that they that, that they, it, they, it's a German company and it's really German engineering when it comes to it. I mean, things are just solid. It takes a long time for them to put out a, a feature and then it just works, you know? And so so it's pretty, it's pretty the you know, it's, they've just progressed very well, you know, and now they're absorbing companies. One thing to note is if you're a student or a teacher, you definitely wanna pay attention to their subscription services. So while it's, you know, they they're doing subscription like everybody else. And for commercial entity, it's, you know, it's expensive if you're do, if you're making money with 3d, it costs money. But

Leo Laporte (01:55:30):
It's actually not that expensive. 7 91 bucks a year is not horrific.

Alex Lindsay (01:55:35):
Yeah. If you get it all at one time, it's not, it's not horrific. No, I'm just saying that it's not, but if you, if you go to look at student teachers, it's $10, every six, every

Leo Laporte (01:55:43):
Six months, it's amazing. $20,

Alex Lindsay (01:55:44):
Super aggressive. And that's for everything. That's max one. That's not just, that's just so very, very aggressive for educators and, and students. And, you know, I think that, you know, there's a, there's a lot of arguments to, you know, get blender and, and so and so forth. And I think blender's a powerful tool. And if you're in a commercial length entity, I think that makes sense if you're learning this and you are a student somewhere, I think you're gonna go a lot further with, with cinema. So, and as, and you can get into it relative, very inexpensively as a student. And even then I think as an all around app, it's probably one of the best out there

Leo Laporte (01:56:15):
How, or the best out strict are they about their definition of student? Like if I'm learning 4d cinema 4d, is that, am I a student? I

Alex Lindsay (01:56:23):
Think that, I think you have to be enrolled <laugh>. Yeah. Like I think they're using a service. So I think that you do have to be enrolled in a, in a school to have

Leo Laporte (01:56:30):
To have an education address or something like that.

Alex Lindsay (01:56:32):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that either teacher and then they, but they they've really done a lot and they do so many videos. Like they're doing videos all this week, you know, they're, they just understand that they have to educate their audio. And so the wetwear development of the, of the, of what they do is as good as the software development they're, they're doing seminars and, and conferences. Like every, it feels like every week. And and then during NAB and C graph, they're doing 'em every day, like all day, you know? And so right now, if you go there, you'll see all these videos that they're putting up on YouTube they're streaming live from the NAB. So it's, it's, it's a really anyway, it's great really well run company, as well as they're and they're really expanding right now. So it's definitely worth checking out.

Leo Laporte (01:57:14):
Nice Rene Richie, your pick of the week.

Rene Ritchie (01:57:18):
So I got a, I got a two for two two for Tuesday for everybody. The first is I love, you know, in creator make really interesting stuff and I love to help them promote it. So MK BHD, marque Brownley has worked with motion VFX, which are some of the best plugins available for final cut and for resolve and for premier. And they've made a set of plugins that help you make sort of MK BHD style videos, which has some pros and cons. I mean, everything defaults to be, you can very much his palette and his style, but they are highly, highly configurable. So if you like certain things that he does, but you wanna put your own flare, your own take on them, you can use those as starting blocks, not have to hand animator. Re-Engineer like reinvent all those wheels. So there's just a bunch of stuff inside here that let you do a lot of marquee sort of things.

Rene Ritchie (01:58:05):
Again like he does it in final cut, but they have it for all versions. And right now, I don't know how long it's gonna last, but they're having a flash sale where a lot of the plugins are 50% off and they make some of the plugins I use all the time. I mean, a lot of YouTubers use 'em all the time. If you're an Alex Lindsay level genius, you could open 'em up in motion and customize them completely. But you can still, even just in your editor, you can do a ton of customization with them. And there's grungy ones and cinematic ones and cyber punk ones and transitions and logo effects. Just everything that they have a bunch of tuber packs where you can get a bunch of buttons that are common for YouTuber things. It's just a lot of really good, really powerful, really effective stuff for not a lot of money and will save you a ton of work.

Alex Lindsay (01:58:45):
So it's all. Yeah, I, this is what I use for a lot of stuff that I do. <Laugh> so like motion VX is the, they are, I mean, cuz you can open it up in motion and all the layers are there and all the bits and pieces and now you have to figure out how they did it because they know motion better than anyone I've ever seen, except for maybe, you know, like Alex for Goldner and Mark Spencer. But outside of that, I don't know anybody that knows it as well as they do. And they, they you know, it's just amazing what they put together, the artwork and the, and the designs are just stunning. If you're trying to find something you just wanted to look professional, you just wanna throw it in Rene's spot on it's incredible value.

Leo Laporte (01:59:19):
79 bucks during the flash sale for the M K B H D. Plug-Ins very cool. And you probably motion's free if you have a Mac or do you have to buy motion

Alex Lindsay (01:59:29):
Now it's $50. It's that's the best $50.

Leo Laporte (01:59:32):
That's as good as free that

Alex Lindsay (01:59:34):
I just build a countdown clock. I build, I build countdown clocks in motion and they take me about 10 minutes to build, but I, I customize 'em so they look exactly that's nice. Like they, they fit into the poster frame that we're using and everything else. And I did it in about 10 or 15 minutes. And I, I was like, if, if motion only sold itself as a countdown clock tool for $50 worth it, you know, like, and then it does all these other things that's that

Andy Ihnatko (01:59:56):
Are great too. It's it's funny. You should mention it. I was, I was banging my head trying to figure out GE you know what I, I, I, I wish there were a real good app. Like I, all I want is a clock app. That will be like a floating window, always on top of everything else. So that when I'm doing a podcast or whether when I'm moderating a panel, like in front of a crowd of people, it will just, I just want like a clear day. What, how much time I've, I've been going on. And then suddenly I realize that, oh, wait a minute. I have motion. So I can just like do a motion graphic of like a timer that it goes from like zero minutes to two to, to like two hours, save that as a video. And then just simply use the builtin, use the builtin, like a, a picture and picture player to simply whatever app I'm using, whether it's on the, my iPad or on the or on the, the MacBook. It will always just be exactly what I want it to be. It's a clock that will be floating on top of everything else. And, and like you said, I, and I'm not a pro I'm not a presentation or a graphics professional. Like you it's just like, I just have motion. It's easy. It's fun to screw around with. It's easy to play around with. And it's the it's

Andy Ihnatko (02:00:55):
Actually, I wanna end it there. It's fun to play with you don't you don't need to have a reason to use it. Just it's like a spirograph. It's like an etch sketch. It's like a light bright mess around with it. Fun

Alex Lindsay (02:01:05):
3D text. That's all I wanna say, 3d. Like I do, I do countdown clocks, and I'm like, I wonder what this looks. Even if I don't do 'em in 3d <laugh> I just like turn them on, like, how about a countdown clock in 3d? And then I, then I go back to whatever I'm doing, but I was like, but I could do it 3d. So it's really good. It's it's incredible app.

Leo Laporte (02:01:18):
Nice. Very fun. Well, I think we've run out of time now. So I guess I'll let you go, but it's been a grand show with only the smallest amount of TWiTtter in it. Rene Richie, Richie. When we're gonna get the Rene Richie motion, VFX kit, I wanna look like you, dude.

Rene Ritchie (02:01:41):
You know, I've actually been experimenting. You know, I talked to you about this. I talked to Andy about this in the past. I did a video last week where there was like nothing. It was pure a roll. I just sat there and talked. I wanna get better at storytelling. And it has like some of the best attention

Leo Laporte (02:01:53):
To any video

Rene Ritchie (02:01:53):
I've ever made. Oh, so like, I love that. I learned B roll and I learned all this stuff, but I was like, I don't have to use it if I can just get really good at all. The well you're, you're like a past master at this Leo just holding people's

Leo Laporte (02:02:04):
Attention. I'm just lazy. I don't want buttons. No, not

Rene Ritchie (02:02:06):
At all.

Leo Laporte (02:02:07):
<Laugh> dials and knobs and no transitions for me. Youtube.Com/Rene Richie. He is far from lazy. I'll tell you that. I just

Rene Ritchie (02:02:17):
Put up this morning. I put up my, I was try to figure out what Apple could actually, cuz the only differentiation for a MacroPro that's left is extensibility expandability. So

Leo Laporte (02:02:26):
John's looking for some, what, what can transitions, John? You have those coins or something fun. We can do you get

Andy Ihnatko (02:02:31):
The, no,

Leo Laporte (02:02:32):
We can sell the Leo port transition kit.

Andy Ihnatko (02:02:35):
It's the, it's the classic Lucas film wipe. That's you, you know, best with, with

Leo Laporte (02:02:39):
A classic, just a slide across the screen. We we just use the standard. Oh, look at that. Huh? Transitions from the TriCaster. And that's about as far as I want to go make it fun. Andy and ACO. When are you gonna be on GBH next?

Andy Ihnatko (02:02:54):
Once again, I'm on a day early this week to stream it live or later.

Leo Laporte (02:03:04):
And we don't mention it enough, but if you're interested in the new pixel watch or anything, Android, Andy has a great Android show called material on relay. Yes.

Andy Ihnatko (02:03:15):
The material podcast, which you do with the, the great Florence ion, which is who's also been on yes. Many Android podcast. You on TWiTtter.

Leo Laporte (02:03:22):
Pretty much all of our staff has a podcast on relay FM. I don't know if I should feel bad about that or not, but <laugh>. Yeah. Very nice. Good, good on you. And it's must must listen. See,

Andy Ihnatko (02:03:33):
For, see that's we, we, we, we stirred up our hopes was that we create a big war between two Titan UN unfortunately the heads, both of these sports are nice people

Leo Laporte (02:03:43):
Who are perfectly happy. Mike Hurley

Andy Ihnatko (02:03:46):
Share their talent. Other

Leo Laporte (02:03:47):
People is good. <Laugh> he's a good man. Thank you. As are you. Thank you, Andy. And of course Alex Lindsay, office is the global nonprofit on X, Y Ooh, the global nonprofit, it hero of anybody who's making content or hamburgers, office

Alex Lindsay (02:04:10):
We're having so much fun. You know, we, we you covered NAB yesterday, just a whole bunch of people just decided they wanted to do it. Like we did a rocket launch a couple weeks ago and then, and then we're looking at new new conferences going forward, but we just decided, Hey, let's call it to go do something together. And we learn so much about production together by working on it. It's just the best way to meet people and runs 24 7. If we're not talking about it in office hours, we're hanging out and talking about it in after hours. It's definitely worth checking

Leo Laporte (02:04:36):
Out office hours, doc global. I didn't get your 

Speaker 10 (02:04:39):
<Laugh> outstanding.

Leo Laporte (02:04:42):
I didn't get your Sunday. I didn't get your nav pre C I'm sorry to say, but you can get it from office hours, do global. And it, I don't know, but it looks like you've got Robert de Niro on the show. So that's pretty exciting. <Laugh> that's that's gonna be good. You and I was like, do you know who I am?

Speaker 10 (02:04:58):

Leo Laporte (02:04:59):
And if you wanna hire Alex to do the best darn productions out there. Oh nine oh media is the place to go. Thank you, Alex. Thank you. And thank you, Rene. Thank all of you for joining us. We do MacBreak Weekly of a two brand 11:00 AM Pacific that's 2:00 PM Eastern 1800 UTC. I mentioned that because you can watch us or listen to us live at It's always streaming something. And when there's live shows in production, you can listen to those people watch live often like to chat with one another. So we've got a couple of ways to do that. Of course, the community run IRC We also have a fantastic discord, but that is that is not free. That is only open to members of club TWiT. Now I think club TWiTs, a great deal. It's seven bucks a month.

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Leo Laporte (02:06:43):
And of course Stacy's book club is coming up a little later in June. Now all of this is available to club members either live or on the feed, the TWiT plus feed seven bucks a month, TWiT all award, everybody. The club TWiT train is about to pull out of the station. <Laugh> if you want, now I have to say we do have free versions of all the shows, ads supported as In the case of this show, B w you can also get it on YouTube. There's a YouTube of channel for this show and all of our shows dedicated, and you can subscribe in your favorite podcast player. And if you do that, you hit it automatically. So you don't have to think about it. If your podcast player supports reviews, please leave us a five star review. Let the world know about MacBreak Weekly since what do you say, Alex? Since 2002, since 2003, since 2004, what do you think was our first, I think 2004. I wanna say

Alex Lindsay (02:07:47):
For back break, MacBreak, no MacBreak. I don't think was until 2000. I wanna say 2005. Okay. I think we were, I think we did

Leo Laporte (02:07:55):

Alex Lindsay (02:07:56):
Minutes time ago. I think we did MacBreak minutes in 2005. And I think our first official MacBreak was two. Those was, I can't remember. It was January, 2005 or January, 2006. I pre

Leo Laporte (02:08:04):
Pre Obama.

Alex Lindsay (02:08:06):
Sure. Someone could tell <laugh>. That was Clinton. First one. The first one was with, with exactly you and I and, and Amber and Emery Wells.

Leo Laporte (02:08:15):
Hey, do you know how Amber's doing by the way? Have you heard she okay. Amber, Amber, not Amber. I Justine, who is also she. Okay.

Alex Lindsay (02:08:24):
Justine's doing

Leo Laporte (02:08:24):
Better. Yeah, she's doing better. Oh,

Alex Lindsay (02:08:25):
Good. Yeah, she's improving. Yeah. We've been

Leo Laporte (02:08:27):
The first audio MacBreak Weekly, the WWDC aftermath with Amber and David Poe, Chris green. And you was August 12th, 2006. So remind me Alex we'll have to have a little party in August.

Alex Lindsay (02:08:40):
<Laugh> yeah, exactly.

Leo Laporte (02:08:41):
Sorry. Our 16th anniversary. Thanks for joining us, everybody. And now, as I have said for the last

Alex Lindsay (02:08:48):
16 years,

Leo Laporte (02:08:49):
It's time to get back to work because break time is over. Oh my,

Mikah Sargent (02:08:53):
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