MacBreak Weekly Episode 813 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for MacBreak Weekly. Rene Ritchie has the week off, Andy and Alex are here. We've got rumors, rumors about a new Mac mini coming, maybe even before WWDC and the Mac world is a Gog with news about a new Apple charger. Hard to believe Apple says, well, he, Steve, Mr. Germs, there has no blood watch pressure tool for this year. Maybe not even for next year and a new privacy browser for Mac just out. It's all coming up next and a lot more on MacBreak Weekly.

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Leo Laporte (00:01:54):
It's time for MacBreak Weekly. The show we cover the latest Apple news. Rene Ritchie has the day off, which usually means there's new Apple news. I don't knows exactly, exactly why. I think maybe he's getting briefed in the new final cut pro. He tweeted a little bit about that. So maybe that's what's going on, but we do have our usual stalwarts here from oh nine. Oh.Media and office Mr. Alex, Lindsay. Hello, Alex. Hello? Hello. Good to see you. Good to be here. Yes. And Andy Ihnatko w GB H in Boston. Good to see you either. Hi, the hoer that's always 15 minutes ago. We got this tweet, this cryptic tweet from Rene Ritchie final cut pro 10.6 0.2, duped it sector ML, background, noise detection reduction, optimized FAC one max ultra, which kind of would explain the benchmarks we were talking about. Yes. Sunday from DP review, which said was it, was, was it on Mac brick quickly? No, I think it was Sunday DP review, which said that the even in file cut the ultra wasn't much faster than the one max, all the eight K all of it says Renee also compressor also motion. I presume he means releases new releases of compressor in motion. Do you know anything about this, Alex?

Alex Lindsay (00:03:17):
I know nothing. I know. No, I know. I know nothing. I, I really don't. I don't have any insight information here. I I have yeah, yeah. I, I think that when I'm talking so freely on another show, like you, I, until I can talk about it, I don't wanna know anything because I smart I'll accidentally say

Leo Laporte (00:03:33):
It. I never sign NDAs. I'd same, same thing. Yeah, because

Alex Lindsay (00:03:37):
I'm afraid. Well, and I we're, all we're talking about is stuff like final cut, two hours a day, at least. And I can get myself into some. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:03:46):
It's not just you that's right? Yeah. You gotta an

Alex Lindsay (00:03:48):

Leo Laporte (00:03:48):
Well, one thing you can tell the world off Apple has announced a new version of IMO with some, I think significant features. That's why they call it IMO 3.0, story boards and magic movie are the things they are so excited about. This is not gonna excite anybody like Alex because he's trained professional.

Alex Lindsay (00:04:11):
Well, I mean, I, what I will say is that the big thing about storyboard, I, I haven't seen the I movie one, but the big thing is, is that for a lot of filmmakers, having something that they don't know how to use final cut, and they don't know how to use something else and being able to just throw storyboards together is a, is a big thing, cuz they're trying to think about a scene and keeping it simple and, and easy to work with would be

Leo Laporte (00:04:30):
Huge. And of course, because it's Apple, you're gonna choose from 20 different storyboard types about me celebration cooking day in the life, DIY gaming makeover, how it works, that's something some of our Y might wanna do Q and a, there's a film storyboard. And this is what a storyboard looks like. You get to choose a style. And then I guess I presume, let's see this animation maybe is is all about storyboard. Let's do this one. Yeah. Once you choose a style, then we're just watching the video on the Apple newsroom site where they publish this stuff. And I guess, so really it's a backbone for people who the problem with backbones is they tend to be cookie cutter. Right. So you'll know immediately when you see something done in IMO on the other hand, but yeah,

Andy Ihnatko (00:05:19):

Leo Laporte (00:05:19):
Fine for family. Right.

Alex Lindsay (00:05:20):
Well, and also for schools, I mean like the other thing is, is that when you think about a lot of these, you know, being able to have a teacher, not have to think about how I'm gonna do the, the design and the kids don't care. Like, I mean, if you're doing something good, they just want the contents.

Andy Ihnatko (00:05:32):
Yeah, absolutely. It, it really does point out to how different iMovie is as far as who's gonna be using it and what they're using it for. It's no, it's, you're not getting templates for here is how to do a birth. They party here's how to do a graduation celebration. It really is all about it's a, it's a component for the kids who are using iPads and education who are giving their reports, giving their presentations in form of video. And also people who are trying to get started. They're, they're influenced by all the videos they're watching on Twitch and on on YouTube and on TikTok. And they wanted to start doing that themselves. Yeah. So yeah, this is it's it's, it's interesting to think that now all the home videos, I'm sorry, know, I'm starting a little bit I, that all the home videos that we're doing are now basically just shot and edited directly on phone. An IMO has almost become an afterthought for what it was originally used for.

Alex Lindsay (00:06:21):
And the other thing is we, we do use templates a lot, except we call 'em recipes. Right. So, so it's not like, like if we had to come up with everything we were going to eat, it would take a long time. And that's the problem for a lot of people making medias, they, they don't have any recipes, right? It's like here's some raw, raw Rob fly hour in salt and you gotta figure out what to do with it. You know, it'll be

Leo Laporte (00:06:39):
Interesting Apple, doesn't say whether this capability is there, but it'd be interesting that third parties could provide storyboards.

Alex Lindsay (00:06:46):

Leo Laporte (00:06:47):
There are 20 different that new ones. As I mentioned, each storyboard, I'm reading from the press release has a shot list that organizes clips to tell a specific narrative. Each placeholder also is an illustrative thumbnail along with a tip that asks a question or makes a suggestion for how to shoot that clip to make it more interesting. So it's just prompts really.

Alex Lindsay (00:07:06):
And, and my, you know, my again, it's like a recipe, you know, this is, this is, you know, just add the sugar and add this and, and so on and so forth. You end up with a, with a reasonably good con you know, is it going to get you a job at a Michel, your restaurant? No. Right. But isn't going to be a good meal that you could have to every day. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that my kids just were, they were just in, for spring break, they were down with their grandmother and what they do three times a, a week when they're there, there is go to the Apple store and learn something. And they made a trailer in the Apple store. Oh fun. And and they have a trailer template and they just follow the trailer template. It's really funny. And it's really good. And it, and you don't need it to be any more than that.

Leo Laporte (00:07:42):
Yeah. It's, I mean, it's the fifth time or sixth time you've seen it. You might go, okay. That, yeah. But it's, it's a start and, but

Alex Lindsay (00:07:49):
Again, train wheels and, and then you learn that and then you go, as soon as you feel limited, you have a IMO, you can just go do it yourself. And then, and then all the tools are, or for you to just keep on building. It's great to give people

Leo Laporte (00:08:02):
As, as they say,

Alex Lindsay (00:08:04):

Leo Laporte (00:08:04):
Just talking about that. We're just talking about that. There's a second feature magic movie Apple says helps create beautiful custom videos, complete with titles, transitions in music and a few taps. So what you'll do is you'll select an album or group of photos or images from your photo live library, magic movie instantly Apple says identifies the best parts of the footage and creates the project. So it's kind of like photos already has that kind of memories feature sounds like kind of memories on steroid.

Alex Lindsay (00:08:32):
I was amazed. I, I have never used the thing where basically, if you scroll down every day, there's like a little, I love that, you know? Yeah. And I, I, I have never tapped on it until yesterday. And my daughter, I saw one of my daughter and said, Hey, look, and I tapped on it. And it played like this great little movie. It found images and videos of her that I did not know were on the phone. Like I was like, it was like this random, like I was like, that is so cool. And so scary all at the same time.

Andy Ihnatko (00:08:57):
But that that's, that's, that's really the next big thing. One of the great advances of Google photos and Apple photos was we're always taking all these photos, photos, photos, photos, and they kind of were backing them up diligently, but we're not doing anything with them. And so Google photos and Apple photos, occasionally resurfaces, all old photos, not not only just saying, oh, here's, here's what you're doing five years ago today. But also here's images around the theme of your family during springtime. And you suddenly realize these things. So imagine when once it becomes less expensive to do this kind of processing on every single video that hits the server, imagine how cool it's going to be when all those things, not only get resurface, but also get repackaged into an automatically edited video with a share button that's already, pre-loaded underneath it for you. That's gonna be amazing.

Leo Laporte (00:09:44):

Alex Lindsay (00:09:45):
And, and I can say just using the albums inside of my, my photos library, I have pictures of the family, tons of them that I just throw into that folder. And then my, anytime my TV goes to sleep, they, it all there, my wife loved that, you know, that a nice feature. And I have another one of production that I have here on one on my screen. So anytime my, my computer goes to sleep, I look over and there's all these memories of all the, you know, sometimes gotta be careful. Most of gotta

Leo Laporte (00:10:05):
Be careful with that. Of course 

Alex Lindsay (00:10:08):
You eat albums and put things in the albums that you, that you that you want. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:10:15):
Look, it's like you can rearrange your delete. It's very similar. It looks like to the, the, for U tab in I photo you can, styles can be added to change the look and feel of a video like storyboard videos. Magic movies can be shared from iMovie via messages, mail, and on social media. So this is one of those things, this final cut and IMO probably coincidental they're both released at the same time or no, you think they're related.

Andy Ihnatko (00:10:45):

Leo Laporte (00:10:46):
Hmm. I, I doubt it's the same team.

Andy Ihnatko (00:10:49):
Yeah. Well, they're refreshing a lot of things. Remember they, they also refreshed pages. I think the first pretty big change they've made on pages in, while's mostly, mostly adding mostly by adding scripting, but some other things too. I mean, it, see, I, I really do think that every time you see updates to Apples, free apps like that, it really is all about education. And rather, rather than about actual consumers. So I think that that really shows how serious they are still about education. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:11:15):
Yeah. Anyway, come well, there's a couple of news items today on MacBreak Weekly. How exciting is that? So we'll keep an eye and I'm sure when Renee is back probably next week, he can tell some more about final cut pro 10.6 0.2. I'm guessing that's where he is right now. I'm just guessing he's that, or he's just playing with it could be. Yeah. Yeah. Not, not sure. There are rumors of float, including today something about a new Mac mini, our favorite Digger, Steve Trouten Smith tweeted today. The rumor is a little unclear as to what new max are imminent for what it's worth. There is one concrete clue. The shipping studio display firmware only cow the firmware and the new studio to display references and unaccounted for mystery machine.

Andy Ihnatko (00:12:18):

Leo Laporte (00:12:19):
Mac mini 10, one and trout and guess is probably accurately. I would guess an M two, there have been rumors, two about an M one pro or even an M two pro. So yeah, that's,

Andy Ihnatko (00:12:36):

Leo Laporte (00:12:36):
Really good. Maybe, maybe he says, I'm gonna revise the guest before it gets baked in a Mac mini 10 X with both M one pro and M one max.

Andy Ihnatko (00:12:46):

Leo Laporte (00:12:47):
I know it's true. You know how I know it's true. I just bought a Mac mini M one.

Andy Ihnatko (00:12:51):
There you go. You, you are the, you are the Schrodinger of the Mac of the Apple industry. God, as soon as soon as, as soon as as soon as Leo's MasterCard observes, something that causes that all the real to resolve to resolve, I did it it's my fault, but, but yeah, I I've, I'm really kind of at a loss to figure out how they're gonna position the Mac mini in a than which the, the Mac studio exists. Because as, as I said at the time when, when the Mac studio was first released, this is pretty much everything I want. I was looking forward to and wanting in an updated Mac mini meaning I want more ports. I want more power. I want the ability to even as a bill to order to get more storage and all that other cool stuff. 

Andy Ihnatko (00:13:35):
I'm not sure what would happen if a Mac mini that had the, the same sort of think, think about the changes they made between the MacBook pro the first M one. Again, the, the basic proof of concept, all we did was put the same same, same chip set in both the MacBook air MacBook pro in the, in the Mac mini the first time M one cam on the scene. Now, now imagine the, the, the leap they made between that MacBook pro and the current MacBook pro, which was like into a much, much higher orbit, lower orbit to higher orbit. Now I CA I, I would imagine that the next step up the natural step up for the Mac mini would be the, make the same sort of transition, meaning again, more, more, more op, more built to order options more connectivity, more screens, all that kind of cool stuff, but that seemed to be everything that they gave us with the Mac studio. So I don't know, I don't know if they're gonna start saying that the Mac mini is sort of the nerdier version of a more powerful desktop Mac, or if they're gonna basically keep it as, this is the one that you can absolutely afford, we're gonna keep the, we're gonna keep the price line really, really low. So it's a low barrier to entry it's

Leo Laporte (00:14:43):
It's it is on isn't it because they don't, there's not because the mini and the studio looks so much alike. There's not that much distinction, maybe price will be the, the ultimate decision. Well, it need

Alex Lindsay (00:14:53):
So much cooling. Yeah. The cooling, and, and I think that there's a lot of, I mean, I, I don't know if they'd put, it'd be interesting to see, I think they can't put the one, either the ultra or the max in there. Maybe, maybe the, maybe the max, but not because it's already being used in the, in the laptop. So, but the Ultrapro, they can't go into that package. And so I think that it's gonna be really interesting. I, I think that, I don't think that they're gonna try to hold back too much in the Mac mini trying to differentiate products. I think they just wanna put out the products there as, as fast as they can put out in that package, you know, in that form factor. Because I think that they're in kind of a competitive area where they have a lot of advantages and the Mac mini still has, you know, a ton of utility. I mean, now the M ones are just amazing. And being able to rack them is, is distinct from the, from the, the studio really is something you're gonna put on your desk, the, the Mac minis being able to do and put two of them into every one U that you have somewhere. I mean, we've in the past with even the older ones had as many as 10 or 12 of them all in just racks, you know, that we could use for processing. So it's really powerful. I

Leo Laporte (00:15:55):
Bought the mini because I wanted to replace my 2014 iMac in my in my other studio. And I realized having already bought the Mac studio, I didn't need all that. The M one single core was the same across the board. So I didn't need to spend 3000 the dollars on a studio or even, you know, 2,500 on a studio. I, so I bought a, I think I upgraded the Ram, so it ended up being seven or 800 bucks, but I ended up buying a a Mac mini and pairing it with my own monitor. And it's been great. It's been really good. Yeah. The only issue I had was getting the dual display working, cuz it has HTMI and then Creek, which everybody knows, I think, but you gotta get something. They'll take that Thunderbolt port to display port. And we were using adapters, which I think were just Thunderbolt two adapters.

Leo Laporte (00:16:42):
I don't know what was going on, but it just wouldn't work. So finally I just went and bought a, a type C Thunderbolt, I guess it's Thunderbolt three to dis full size display port. And that works fine. It also gives me the refresh rate that I wanted. So that's a little caveat with a new, with the old M one Mac, many, but a very nice machine. And I, you know, using the studio at home, the M one MacBook pro at at home, the, the pro I guess is someone and pro and the M one, nothing at work. They're all the same. I don't notice a huge difference in speed for the things that I do. So I think that's probably a good, good thing to know. M two, as Renee has told us would probably be an, a 15 based processor, same pro process are used in the iPhone 13 these days. I'm not sure what that would get you though, in terms of speed,

Alex Lindsay (00:17:42):
What we have to find, you know, we'll

Leo Laporte (00:17:43):
Find out yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:17:44):
More pro more, you know, it depends on how many cores and so and so forth that are there. I mean, that's the, that's gonna be the big thing thing. They're

Leo Laporte (00:17:49):
Not gonna modify too much the a 15, I mean, they didn't modify the a 14 all that much.

Alex Lindsay (00:17:54):
Yeah. Right.

Andy Ihnatko (00:17:56):
I mean, it's, it's not just the process of design. It really is all the stuff that you put around

Leo Laporte (00:18:00):
It yeahs it. Yeah. Right.

Alex Lindsay (00:18:02):
So, I mean, like the, I, I have to admit, I finally started doing some Apple pro stuff on my studio. I got the little studio, the studio max, and it rendered the first thing so fast that I thought something was wrong with the file.

Leo Laporte (00:18:13):

Alex Lindsay (00:18:13):
I was,

Leo Laporte (00:18:14):
That's a nice feeling. It was

Alex Lindsay (00:18:16):
Like this 4k render. And I looked, I, I put it outta motion and I, and I looked over, I looked back and I was doing something, I looked back and I was like, what? And it was, and, and I opened the file expecting to be broken. And it was fine. I was just like, wow. Okay. So I stopped doing, like, I was doing some production. It was nice to have a, some other machine doing the production while I was working on other things. And I'm like the ultra, I was just like, okay, that's doing all the work from now on. I'm not gonna hand it off to the other

Leo Laporte (00:18:39):
Computers when the, a 15 came out there were a number of sites that did benchmarks and stuff. And again, I, these synthetic benchmarks, I really hate to use them. Yeah. But there's definitely a difference. It's not so much in single core performance, but in GPU performance battery life, not so much. So, you know, there are some differences maybe not massive differences. So it may really well be the system on a chip and, and how that's conforms that makes the big difference between and M one and M two. Well, we just have to wait and see, I, I wonder though with all this noise and all this stuff going on, if it may not, and the fact that Renee is not here, it may not, they may not wait. You think to WWDC, they may, they may slip stream this one out. You think they

Alex Lindsay (00:19:27):
Very well could. They've done that in the past with, with computers. I mean, all they're getting close enough to WWC. It kind

Leo Laporte (00:19:32):
Of feels like two months. That's

Alex Lindsay (00:19:34):
A long time. It depends on what I think it would tell us what they, if they had a big announcement for WWDC, let's say that they're close enough with some kind of AR thing. They may put things out early to get them out of the way, because they just wanna focus on the one like this is if, whenever they end up doing some kind of AR real AR execution, they're I think they're gonna want to clear the deck. Like, they're not gonna wanna have a bunch of other things they're announcing, you know, during them, because this is gonna be the biggest thing that they've done since the iPhone. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:20:04):
It's no fun being a tea leaf watcher. We just, and yet it's also no fun waiting on Tenter hooks to see you mentioned an update for what I used to call. I work page's keynote in numbers that came out a few days ago as well, version 12.0 for numbers. Copy of snapshot of table sales without formula edit fonts, semore per create formulas quickly feels you can use voiceover.

Alex Lindsay (00:20:38):
It looks like automation. Wasn't thing that they had automation,

Leo Laporte (00:20:40):
Pages improvements for publishing books with larger file sizes. You can now go up to two gigabytes insert page numbers, anywhere, edit font size more. It's, it's a lot of small, small things, but you mentioned Annie that they're, they're more scriptable.

Andy Ihnatko (00:20:57):
Yeah. Now you can create docu you can, you can create documents. It works with workflows a lot better. It's not nothing magical. It's I was, I was reading through like, what's what it's capable of doing now that it wasn't able to do before. And we're talking about some pretty basic stuff, but in, in terms of using pages as a, a way of, of like a classroom, being able to create ver create different versions of templates for individual students, that's now very, very doable in terms of being able to collect data from other sensors from, from outside the Mac and basically build reports automatically. That's very, very doable. Again, I'm kind of prejudiced in that if we were, if we were talking about something closer to a Microsoft office, I would be thinking about, well here's, there are a lot of lot of jobs entail creating standardized reports from basically data that can be simply slurped in from from sensors and from other servers. And that's what a lot of automation is used for here. I keep thinking about how will this assist people in education? It seems like a simple bit of changes, again, not revolutionary, but just the ability to do things you couldn't do before with automation is a pretty big deal. It it's, it's, I'm surprised that that's this stuff wasn't in there from two years ago when they first acquired workflows.

Leo Laporte (00:22:14):
Yeah. Nice. That'll be very nice. I do notice by the way, a lot of sale prices right now in the Mac mini of course, maybe that's maybe I'm noticing that because I just bought one again. Yeah. But, but I do notice there are discounts up to $300 if you show up around. So maybe, maybe there is maybe that is an indication that a new Mac mini is on its way. I don't know. Maybe they're clearing the decks.

Andy Ihnatko (00:22:36):
Yeah. It's especially notable when Apple does it, because they don't, this isn't, this isn't a case where people can wind up with lots, lots more stock than they that they anticipated. Yeah. This is really is like a, a ma to order so old order thing. So the fact that if peop, if if retailers are offering really good discounts on Apple hardware, it's because Apple has offered those retailers a huge discount on acquiring them, which means that, excuse me, which, which leads one to suspect that Apple really is trying to clear the decks,

Leo Laporte (00:23:07):
Or they just saw that I bought one and they wanted really stick it,

Andy Ihnatko (00:23:11):
Trying to, you know, you hold up one laptop at one keynote

Leo Laporte (00:23:15):
For the rest of your life. Hounded hounded says,

Andy Ihnatko (00:23:18):
This says more about you Apple than it says about Leo at this point,

Leo Laporte (00:23:23):
Incidentally, if you're having trouble updating your studio, display firmware. I think I think I reg the note from an, he said, I can't join the show today. I'm trying to update my my iOS and my studio display. That actually was a problem. But they have fixed it, but they did not fix the camera. Don't get your hopes up. But there is an update to firmware 15.4. It's almost as if they, I updated iOS and they forgot that the studio is playing. And they said, oh, oh, oh, oh, here. And then a lot of people, and I saw this all over the place said, I can't, the update can't be completed. There's a problem for some reason. It does now work. It does not fix the webcam. Apple says they're still working on that fix. We don't know what the new firmware does, except that maybe it's just trying, they're trying to keep it on a parody with everything else, I guess. Right. 

Alex Lindsay (00:24:21):
I would say it's not, it's not coming out as smoothly as they,

Leo Laporte (00:24:24):

Alex Lindsay (00:24:24):
A, it's very much a version one. Like that's like with any hardware, it's really hard until people start banging on it. But I think that this is oftentimes Apple gets a little, it has a little rough time with the very first version,

Leo Laporte (00:24:36):
Kind of glad I didn't buy it to be honest with you that I canceled that order. I'm kind of glad it got,

Andy Ihnatko (00:24:41):
You know, it, I only, only this week that I start thinking that we all know at whenever Apple or any other company is preparing to ship out a product. They're always as the, as the day and date looms, there's the list of they, when they find problems, some are on the deal breaker list mean we absolutely cannot ship with this fault intact. And then they're the ones that are like, okay, this is bad to put it, but it doesn't turf the product. We can ship it and then apply a patch like later on and fix this little problem. Now that now that you have a, a monitor, a screen that runs iOS, how many basic features are being fed by iOS. And now how many times are they gonna be shipping a piece of hardware that says that, you know what the camera stinks, but you know what? We can fix that in a month. Let's, let's meet our target ship date. It's I, I wonder if that's gonna be the vector for this, for this product moving forward.

Leo Laporte (00:25:34):
Yeah. scooter X is saying, saying, what happened is they accidentally stopped signing 15 four when 1541 came out, that's the version on the display. So that's why they had to quickly update it. And they, and that's why the update didn't work, but it is working now. So there you go

Andy Ihnatko (00:25:50):
Wasted by your own

Leo Laporte (00:25:51):
Guitar. Ironic. they're also noting in the chair. I mean, this is really interesting if you customize your Mac studio at this point, if you don't buy, if you do any BTO options, 10 to 12 weeks for delivery, 10 to 12 weeks, they're not even giving you a date really well, actually, here's the date. If I pick it up in the store, July 21st,

Alex Lindsay (00:26:13):
Holy I'm not, I'm not sure that I have had so many friends by the same computer at the same time ever before. Yeah. Maybe when the new iMac or the new Mac pros came out like that, weren't all messed up. The I think that that might have been where a lot of us were kind of hanging on for a while and jumped over. But, but I think that there's a lot of pent up demand for, for this. And I think it's a good in between. And you know, I, I think that the interesting thing is it's so powerful. I think only a handful of people are really gonna need the pro it's. Right. You know, if, if you get this,

Leo Laporte (00:26:47):
The max, you mean the ultra

Alex Lindsay (00:26:49):
You mean, well, what I'm saying is the pro in the fall ultra, I think right. If people went, if people went down the path with an ultra, I think they're gonna be, there's gonna be a little bit of a, well, they'll be happy for a while. I mean, we always run out of room. I mean, we always want something faster eventually, but, but I think this is gonna be a very serviceable computer for a very long time. It's, it's really powerful. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:27:09):
Well kind of confirming that while overall PC sales dropped in the first quarter of the year, Apple Mac sales grew exactly the opposite and there's two different analysts reporting this on Sunday. IDC said the global PC market shrank in Q1, but Apple continued to see growth. Gartner said Apple shipped 7 million max. Again, always an estimate. Apple, doesn't say max and MacBook in the first quarter, which is a year on year rise from 6.4 million a year ago of 8.6% IDC said 7.2 million. That's a 4.3% year on year increase of their number. So Apple market share drum. Can I have a drum roll for this? We're gonna look at the tote board. Apple market share is now 9%. Hey, 9% in the PC market,

Andy Ihnatko (00:28:04):
High single digits.

Leo Laporte (00:28:06):
Very nice.

Alex Lindsay (00:28:07):

Leo Laporte (00:28:07):
I remember the day when it was 4% last year it was 7.7%. So, but that confirms exactly what, what your anecdotal report is Alex, which is, oh,

Alex Lindsay (00:28:19):
And I

Leo Laporte (00:28:19):
Think people are buy, not buying PCs Lenovo down 12.6%, HP down seven team points percent. I'd

Alex Lindsay (00:28:27):
Love to see someone peel. I'd love to see someone try. I don't know how you get this data, but I would love to see someone peel out personal purchases versus corporate corporate purchases. Because I think that that skews everything towards the PC, the corporate, you know, is, is kind of leaning that direction. Although, you know, in a lot of companies, like, I mean, there is when you work in some companies, all you see are max, you know, so, so it just depends like when the, especially when the users get to choose, you know, so when the employees get to choose what they're gonna buy or what they're gonna get from the store, you know, the, whatever the company store you know, you see a lot of Mac, a lot, a lot of Mac pros.

Andy Ihnatko (00:29:00):
Yeah. That, that's why I think it's, it's easy to read too much into a stat like this. It is significant, but the Mac, I think the Mac market is the Mac market. And the PC market is the PC market. That, that there are way, way more forces that apply to the purchasing decision inside the window space than it does in Apple. You Apple could release a brand new Mac that is radically different from the previous months, and that will absolutely explode sales. It doesn't necessarily mean it's more interesting to look at numbers about how many people are, how many windows shops are turning into Mac shops, how many windows, consumers are turning into Mac consumers.

Leo Laporte (00:29:37):
Yeah. It also, I mean, let's be fair. It shows how well Apple is marketing it and how yeah. Has created a product people want, whether, I mean, and I think, you know, I mean, people are excited about still Apple Silicon that's for sure. I think they like the form factor, which is maybe a little surprising Apple probably thought, mm let's wait and see how they like this fat boy. But, but the fat boy's nice fat. Boy's a good choice works. Well,

Alex Lindsay (00:30:06):
I think just a lot of people, like things that just work, you know, like they don't have to be, they don't have to be, you know, like they just, you know, there's, I know that I always get people arguing with me, but I have, you know, PC's and max, and there's something that turn on the Mac just turns on at works. And the PC sees there's, there's literally always something with

Leo Laporte (00:30:23):

Alex Lindsay (00:30:24):
Some of it is,

Leo Laporte (00:30:25):
I think some of it is people not liking windows when Microsofts

Alex Lindsay (00:30:28):
Can, but I mean, its reputation in the market, I'm gonna force an art. Like, like what, how I stopped using Oculus was that, you know, I kept on getting updates from, I know from Microsoft and then it would break Oculus and then I couldn't use it and then I'd put it down and come back to it. And I was just like, okay, I know. And I just, I just took it apart and took it outta my office. Cause I was like, I don't wanna deal with this anymore. Yeah. You know, and I waited for the quest to show up, so I didn't have to have a PC.

Leo Laporte (00:30:48):

Alex Lindsay (00:30:49):
So just,

Andy Ihnatko (00:30:50):
Just, but just to play devil's advocate, that's, that's been true for a long, long time. And if Apple were gaining on, if Mac were gaining on windows, be because it, the thing just works, we'd be in the 20% margin. We'd be, that's

Leo Laporte (00:31:01):
True. That's a good point. Yeah. Windows. Well, I think

Alex Lindsay (00:31:04):
The problem

Leo Laporte (00:31:05):
Less though, than ever before, so,

Alex Lindsay (00:31:08):
Well, no, no, I think, but I, but I think the thing is, is that we all kind of knew that you, our computers aren't as fast and they're not quite as, you know, they, they're not as sporty. You know, they don't do zero to 60 and 2.6 or whatever, but they're, they're comfortable and they, they work and they, when I turn the at, it's always there. And so I think that one of the big changes is Apple really got the performance working. You end up with people. I don't think this is the only reason, but you know, there was a lot of things that were kind of holding Apple back because of the performance, you know, where we would put up with it, not being as fast for ease of use, but now you don't really have to do that. And I think that that is going to keep on expanding, you know, the, what their what they're using. Yeah. And I think that also just continuing fragmentation of the market across Android and, and windows, which makes everything hard for everybody, you know? And so that, that, that fragmented market is just a really hard thing to develop for. It's a hard thing to use. It's a hard thing to have things work. And that's something that you don't see as much on the Mac platform. And people finally just get tired of it

Leo Laporte (00:32:01):
Reporting over from the other side, cuz I do a show called windows weekly. There is a definite move of foot, Microsoft desperately trying to get some parody with Apple's continuity features with they have something called your phone, which they've now renamed my phone, which

Speaker 5 (00:32:19):
Make, make your decision, make a decision, make a decision whose

Alex Lindsay (00:32:22):

Andy Ihnatko (00:32:22):
Is it is

Leo Laporte (00:32:22):
Confusing. Whose phone

Andy Ihnatko (00:32:24):
Is it anyway? Why? I mean, if, if, but if Microsoft is calling your phone, my phone, aren't they saying that my phone is there? Their phone's my phone, whose phone

Leo Laporte (00:32:33):
Is it? So, but what it will do is show your Android phone and it only unfortunately works well with Samsung. But anyway, I have a Samsung so I can see it shows your Samsung screen on the window, notifications messages come in, it has continuity style clipboard, you know, parody. You can run, well, this is kind of cool. You can run Android apps from the Samsung's phone on, in a ver in a VM, but you don't know it's a VM, but that's, I think what is happening on your windows machine. So you can actually get your Android apps running. Microsoft has said, we're gonna add the Android store's Amazon's Android store to our place, to our Microsoft store. So they, they definitely, it's hard because they don't own Android, but they definitely wanna have that kind of compatibility between phone and time.

Alex Lindsay (00:33:19):
And the problem is, is that both platforms are fragmented. So who's using what right. And then because you Don own all the pieces, right? And this is where Apple is really forcing everybody to play a game that they can only like, it's like, I'm the only one with the bat. And I'm the only one with the glove, but let's all play together and see how this turns out. It's definitely

Leo Laporte (00:33:37):
Microsoft saying, yeah, that that's something people want. And I guess we're gonna try to figure out how to make it work, but since they don't make the phone, well, they kind of do, but

Andy Ihnatko (00:33:46):
It's, it's, it's not as big a as big a deal as that though. Because if you look at the, if you look at the markets market ownership Samsung essentially is Android. I mean, when, when an Android fan talks about, oh, but at least on Android, we have choice. It's like, but, but it really is like almost every phone sold in the United States and across the world is a Samsung totally dominant. And, and when you get, when you get down to number two, now you have Google's phone, the one that they make themselves. And then there's a big drop off for, for number three, right? So if you do, if you do just target Samsung, you're certainly targeting all the phones in a business person's pocket. And so if you're talking out a company that's running enterprise apps and you want to be able to be able to run that on the desktop as well, that will serve that, that will, that will do for Microsoft so long as it makes their business users happy. As long as it keeps them buying Microsoft services, that's good for them.

Alex Lindsay (00:34:35):
The hard part is there's just so many companies that aren't not upgrading. They're not upgrading their, you know, their, their devices. They're not upgrading their computers. And so you just get into this, this, this situation where there's a huge number of computers out there that just that won't work with. And no one's doing anything about it.

Leo Laporte (00:34:51):
Let's take a little break. And when we come back, Apple is coming back to work. That is, but first or else or else. Yeah. Or else

Leo Laporte (00:35:02):
It's really interesting to watch companies struggle with this, come back, please come back. You must look at this. This is such a cute little soft, rounded little box. These are my ultimate ears. My UE fits, which are my favorite new ear butts. Now I gotta tell you, I, for years in television and here on the podcast have worn custom fitted in ear monitors. A lot of TV people do too. But the problem with this is expensive. You have to go to an audiologist who pours some weird silicone stuff into your ear. You have to sit there. I actually had to hold the Popsicle sticks in my mouth. So I wouldn't either open nor close my mouth fully, kind of, oh, your ear. And you hit there for a few for like three or four minutes while it hardens. And then they have a string on it and they pull it out with the most appalling suction sound in your, in your ear and all that to make a mold for in ear monitors.

Leo Laporte (00:36:01):
Wouldn't it be cool though? I mean, the nice thing about in ear monitors that are molded is they're custom. They fit your ear. They're perfect. Wouldn't it be nice if you could do the same thing without all that trouble and expense you can. These are my new ultimate ear UE it's, which this is show the video. This is the wildest thing. It go, you, you take 'em out now. They're sealed when you get 'em in the box. So no light can expose, be exposed to them. Once you open 'em up. Now you put 'em in your ear and you, you have to use the app to do this. Us. You press a button it's called light form technology. They warm up a little bit. Not, not a lot. They don't get hot and they will mold themselves to your ear. I've never had, except for these, you know, audiologists, molded, earbuds.

Leo Laporte (00:36:52):
See, there it is. It's molding it to my ear and it fits perfectly. It gives now I'll tell you, there are a couple of reasons you want this with earbuds, the better, the seal, the better the base, the better the sound and these seal beautifully. They also seal out all the ugly noise around you. So they have, that's kind of called passive background noise, you know, re although this will also do they, have, they have EQ presets. They have all sorts of tricks to give you very and really good sound. Of course, many, many musicians use ultimate ears with a molded earbuds. Now you can do it yourself. Wait till you see the price on these. They're really quite remarkable. Earbuds that fit you. The second reason you want 'em to fit you is cuz no one else can steal them, which is always a good thing.

Leo Laporte (00:37:50):
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Leo Laporte (00:38:49):
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Leo Laporte (00:40:07):
Apple's coming back to work. Today's the day Woohoo in person work began actually Monday Apple set the date, change the date, set the date, change the date. But officially April 11th was set last month for return in person, corporate employees are now required to work at least in person one day a week, May 2nd. They'll have to go two days a week. They're GRA they're gradually easing you in may 23, 3 days a week. However, I'm not sure if they're ever gonna get to four and five days a week. This is their new hybrid work plan. Tim cook says it's a pilot, so they may change it. We don't know.

Alex Lindsay (00:40:53):
So everyone will be there from Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.

Leo Laporte (00:40:56):
Yeah. You wanna have long weekends, right? Yeah, we do. We do a, we change to a four day work week, but we are still hybrid. People can, if they feel uncomfortable coming in can stay home. So it's but it's nice when everybody, I have to say, it's nice when everybody is in the studio together. I like that.

Andy Ihnatko (00:41:15):
Yeah. It's, it's gotta be tough all flow because you're one of the problems of getting getting employees back in, is that, do they now have, do they have their health? Do they have their childcare lined up again after two years of right. Of basically having their kids at home. And there are people who once, gosh, how you gonna, how are you gonna keep them down in the office after they've tasted the, the joys of, you know, what I'm getting so much more done and I'm no longer stressing out. And, and I mean, the, the ability to that, like having to have a dental appointment, not screwing up my entire week is such a boon, et cetera, et cetera. So it's, it's, it's amazing how every single company's facing this kind of, and they're basically having to threaten and, and, and treat their employees to come back to the actual office.

Alex Lindsay (00:42:00):
And the hard part is a lot of employees are just, they're prepping to leave. If they're getting forced to come back, you know, like they're just, you know, they're looking for the right opportunity at that point. And, you know, and I think that that's the hard part of forcing them to come back is gonna be, you know, it's it just gonna be more expensive to hold onto the talent so you can see them throwing, you know, you'll, they'll be throwing more stock at people. They'll be throwing higher salaries at people they're gonna have to because people there's a lot of people that don't want to to be there, you know, and they, and then, and then there's tons that will want to come in. They don't have the other side of this is that in Silicon valley, a lot of people bought apartments are not bought, but lease apartments, lease houses that were designed around the idea that they're gonna be at the office all the time, they're gonna be workaholics. And so for them, they're, they're ready to come back because at home they're really stuck in a small little box, you know? And so I think that that's, that there are people that want to come back. It's not that nobody wants to come back, but there's a solid probably 20 or 30% don't

Andy Ihnatko (00:42:55):
Yeah. That, that, that conversion fan isn't quite, so isn't quite so enticing when you actually have to spend 18 hours a day and like, get all your work done in that same place with your spouse.

Alex Lindsay (00:43:05):
I had a friend that, you know, halfway through COVID, you know, just moved back to moved back to where they had a house because they, because it was just like, they were in this little box because they were always working or all, always traveling. And suddenly that wasn't the case and it was no longer sufficient.

Leo Laporte (00:43:21):
Well, you're, you're never going, ever going back into an office. Right.

Alex Lindsay (00:43:26):
Probably not. No. I could see myself going to an office, you know, if I was doing the right thing, I, you know, I might go with the office for a couple days a week or something like that. Or, you know, if, if it needed it to be, you know, there are things that you need to do in an office. Yeah. You know, there's, there's things that I work on that you need to see it with. What you're working on. You need to look at. What's actually happening on, on, on use hardware that I don't have at the house or at, at our studio. But I go and I go into our studio now we're doing a lot of work there right now. And so I'm, I'm there three or four days a week. So I, when I say that, but I'm not there the whole day I come in in the afternoon and kind of work with everybody on what we're doing. And, and then there's just some days that I'm there the whole time. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:44:03):
I, I here's from Bloomberg a week before its tribute to remote work, Apple gave its own workers a timeline, but which they'd have to return to the offices to some, including the 7,500 of Apples hundred 65,000 employees who belong to a slack room dedicated to advocating for remote work. It was bruising. They are trolling us. Right? One wrote others, call the ad distasteful and insulting the underlying message. Apple knows corporate employees using its product as tools can capably work from home. So why can't its own staff, people, some people, some people will not come in. I really think that that's

Alex Lindsay (00:44:45):
Well, I, I don't know again, what I've heard mostly is, is not just not an Apple, but, but at other companies is the they're, they're not saying I'm not gonna come in. What they're looking for is an opportune place to go, you know? And so, and, and again, they're not quitting or, or holding, you know, a lot of them are, they're just looking for somewhere to go next, you know, and they're kind of much more open and it's just a, it's a really hard, that's almost worse in some ways, because you know, having employees that are ha you know, a one foot in one foot out is a, you know, just not, it's not as very productive, you know, because, you know, and, and they're constantly looking at every person they meet, they're looking at, well, maybe I would go jump at that company. And maybe I jump over here. Part

Leo Laporte (00:45:20):
Of the problem, of course, though, is some employees who are productivity focused, hate all the meetings and the, the nut jobs who come over and bother you at your cubicle and suck you. So not going your attention away. And there's about off. And there, there are plenty of people who say, oh, I, I miss that. I love that. But there is some percentage, and I don't know what it is of people who say, I am much more productive at home. And to add on top of this, the cost of gas these days, the commute is getting to be something nobody wants to do so

Alex Lindsay (00:45:51):
Well. And, and the thing is, is that, is that I think 90% of the managers love to be able to yell over and ask questions to the engineers. And 90% of the engineers would like be left alone, you

Leo Laporte (00:45:59):
Know, like want it right.

Alex Lindsay (00:46:01):
Yeah, exactly. There's

Leo Laporte (00:46:02):
Also this issue. We built this giant donut. We gotta have some people in it. I

Alex Lindsay (00:46:06):
Think that though, the big thing with the donut is, is that there's all that open a big reason. I think that employees, dont, I want to go back is the open office. The open office concept was

Leo Laporte (00:46:15):
Disaster. Oh, I agree.

Alex Lindsay (00:46:16):
It was just the dumbest. It was, it was done to save money and it was done. It was justified by saying, everyone's gonna collaborate more, but what it was done to save, pack more people into a smaller space. Right. And, and the thing is, is that it is, it. People just

Leo Laporte (00:46:31):
Hate it. Like they

Alex Lindsay (00:46:32):
Hate it, you know? And, and they hate, and, you know, just ever, always feeling like there's someone right over your shoulder and always feeling like, you know, you know, it's just, it's not something that they enjoy and you constantly get out, they pick up the phone and they go walk somewhere else and they go talk because it might be security. It might be personal. It might be whatever, but they they're constantly walking away from their desk because they just don't wanna, you know, deal with that. And so it's just not a it was never very great. Good. And I think that you could take a lot of these buildings that, that no less people wanna come back to and make them into either cubicles or offices, you know, all, all together. And more people would wanna come back if they had their own office. And they had, you know, they, that's a, that's a compelling thing to do cuz now it's a quiet time instead of being at home with the kids. I, and, and, and I will say, I'm saying that for a lot of people, I actually, I mean, during COVID I was, I was in my happy space. My wife was working at home. My kids were home. I think most of the

Leo Laporte (00:47:23):
People, yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:47:23):
Who loved having lunch with everybody.

Leo Laporte (00:47:24):
I mean, everybody who works on TWI, I mean, all the broadcast ones were all working. I'm the only one who comes in to the studio, cuz I like, I guess I'm, I'm that weirdo. Of course. So I only like it, cuz there was no one here. So in a way this was my home. It just had better equipment. But, but every, all of our, you and, and Andy and Paul and Mary Jo and I mean, all of our hosts are work from home, have, have been for years. So this was just business as usual.

Alex Lindsay (00:47:53):
And, and I think that the problem that I have now is that I've scheduled my life so tightly that I, you know, driving somewhere is a thing like it's like suddenly it's just like, oh my gosh, I, I don't know what, like, how am I gonna deal with all this time that I'm losing by being in a car? You know?

Leo Laporte (00:48:09):
Well, yeah, not to mention like $6 a gallon or something.

Alex Lindsay (00:48:15):
And I mean, I, I, I do, I do lose all of the practice time of singing stone, temple pilots, but yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:48:21):
But I, that's a good point. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:48:24):
Downside. My, my, my, my development of of interstate love song now is, is install. It was, you

Leo Laporte (00:48:30):
Know, you're getting so good too. I,

Alex Lindsay (00:48:32):
We know exactly.

Leo Laporte (00:48:38):
Apple is according to mark Garman, gonna bail on blood pressure for the Apple watch this year, next year. Yeah. Maybe, or even maybe to 20, 25, according to people with knowledge of the matter. This is what Gorman writes. A company has been has teams working on an updated sensor and software for the Apple watch that would determine if a user has high blood pressure. But accuracy has been a challenge during testing. I think they probably watched the dropout and they realize that there's so risk in telling people they have high blood pressure pressure. If they don't, I don't know.

Alex Lindsay (00:49:15):
Well, anytime you see Apple having trouble, you realize this is, this

Leo Laporte (00:49:18):
Is a hard, hard problem. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:49:19):
This is not easy.

Andy Ihnatko (00:49:21):
No blood blood pressure and blood sugar are the, are two, the PO prizes and wearable. Right? And there's in terms of blood pressure, as far as te geez. At the last time I was taking a look at this a couple months ago, the only one that, that has a lot of research behind it, a lot of faith behind it is this idea of your imaging pulse. You're imaging, not pulse, but wavelets inside the blood bloodstream and look at at the period at this periodic nature of it. And that can give you a very, very good sense of changes and blood pressure, but even that sensor right now, there's more faith in not being able to give an accurate reading, but to simply have a, a, a dashboard light that says, Hey, your blood pressure has changed quite dramatically during this time period. And even, and in the discussion in papers that I've been reading about this, even that would be very, very useful to not just simp, not simply say, Hey, warning, your blood pressure is way, way high, but simply while you sleep during the day over the course of weeks and weeks and weeks saying, here is our period, your, your blood pressure appears to be consistent.

Andy Ihnatko (00:50:24):
We noted, we noted eight different events in which your blood pressure dropped way, way low went way, way high, but it's it certification and reliability is really, really the big deal. Fitbit only recently got certification for ECG for arrhythmia detection on their own devices, even though they've had sensors that are pretty much capable of, of it for the past few years now.

Leo Laporte (00:50:48):
Yeah. the way the Apple watch and all these devices measures, they sh they kind of shine a light into your blood vessels, right? That's what that green light is. And I'm guessing more and more as we do these quantified self measurements. They're gonna rely on machine. They're gonna say, okay, here, here's all the readings we got from these 5,000 people. Here's their actual blood pressure cuff measurements using AIG OME, doing it. Right. See if you can correlate. And if, if you can't, then you're screwed. Cause they're not measuring real blood pressure. They're trying to correlate these wavelets with actual blood pressure. And if there isn't a correlation, if machine learning can't do it that's, you're exactly right. For instance, heart rate variability is easy, cuz they can measure the pulse. They see the pulse, they know the pulse is working. So a lot of, lot of things are, I just got an alert that my heart rate variability is, is going way down over the last eight DS. Whether that means anything. I don't know, ECG, I guess again, you're measuring the various electrical signals from the heart that they can measure. Right. so I think some things are hard and blood sugar, of course, hardest of all without actually dipping into the blood and getting

Andy Ihnatko (00:52:05):
Some, yeah. That's, that's why, if you, if you if, if you have diabetes, there are wonderful sensors, but they involve like once a month, like sort of shooting this filament into your arm that makes the, that makes the radio connection. Does the actual blood, blood sensor, blood reading, and actually sends it to the device? I don't the last time I did a really in-depth look into seeing whether or not this was actually feed feasible was last year and this is still kind of a moonshot sort of thing. Yeah. There, there are some, there are some studies that say that, Hey, there seems to be something there in terms of being able to photo image a blood vessel and get some idea of blood sugar from that. But it's basically a, a roadmap towards research as opposed to a roadmap towards a working sensor.

Leo Laporte (00:52:52):
According to Germin the feature's been planned for at least four years, but it's probably two years away from hitting the market. It may even slip until 2025, which means they don't know. Right. I mean I watched the Theno show. I know they don't know it just, you she's saying Walgreen's December. Can we do it in December? I don't know.

Alex Lindsay (00:53:14):
It's complicated when you have something that could kill someone or have them make a much

Leo Laporte (00:53:18):
Better. You don't wanna make a mistake. Exactly.

Alex Lindsay (00:53:20):
I mean, even now, even now I'll be watching the, I, I, you know, I get these warnings from my watch. I'll be watching a Steeler game and they'll say your heart rate's really high, but you're seated. Are you okay? You know? And so it's like, I'm fine. That's

Leo Laporte (00:53:31):
A useful one. Just, I'm just a little excited.

Alex Lindsay (00:53:34):
Sorry. Yeah, exactly. I just wish the defense. I wish they fixed their safety problems.

Leo Laporte (00:53:40):
Did you watch, did anybody watch Apple's first night baseball last Friday?

Alex Lindsay (00:53:46):
Did we? Yeah. yeah, we did.

Leo Laporte (00:53:49):
What'd you think?

Alex Lindsay (00:53:51):
The announcing was really bad. Awful. You know, it was, it was just awful. And I thought we talked about this was that two weeks ago or was it, did we talk about no, it

Leo Laporte (00:53:58):
Was last, it was April eight. We

Alex Lindsay (00:54:00):
On our show maybe. Yeah. So yeah. So the, the, I think that the, the announcing was like, was just like people weren't was like talk, listening to someone who didn't really care about the game. I think that was the issue. It was just lots of chatter. It was, it was like going with your friends that aren't really into the game and having them talk amongst themselves and sometimes inter interact with the game and sometimes not. And so I think that I only watched about 20 minutes of it. That's about all I could take. And, and so I think that it was, I mean, you know, you get started and you're experimenting and you know, I think that the they're trying to match certain targets and so and so forth. And so they're trying to figure that out, but it was not a good thing. And I did like the, I, I thought there's a lot of complaints about the graphics. I thought the graphics were, I like,

Leo Laporte (00:54:35):
I like graphics. So they're doing a very simple, and by the way, if you have Apple TV, plus you can watch, you could still watch the games. And they also have a lot of extra of highlights and features during this yeah. Week, but you could still watch at least when I, cuz I missed the game live, but I watched it later. Apple's very much changing the style of presentation they've got, I think very simple, clean graphics. What I didn't like Alex was, they kept playing cheesy stock background music. Every time they pull the graphic up,

Alex Lindsay (00:55:04):
Like that's not need that. Well, what

Leo Laporte (00:55:06):
The hell is that all about? I see that a lot with millennials and, and, and younger where I, maybe we used to call it the MTV generation. Obviously it's not that anymore, but it's like, we don't trust your attention span. So if we're, if we're showing a graphic, we're just gonna play some music. So you feel good because we just don't trust that you're gonna be, you know, you're gonna change the channelers. I don't understand it. And everything, it's a YouTube. Maybe it's a YouTube generation. Everything does it. Now there's lots of background music behind stuff, and I'm not a big fan of that. And really the baseball, the background music is the roar of the crowd, the guy saying BHA, you know, the crack of the bat, the smell of the pine tar that's. Well,

Alex Lindsay (00:55:48):
And, and I think that there's, I think there's such an opportunity for multiple streams of audio. We were talking about this on office hours.

Leo Laporte (00:55:55):
We did talk about that. We were talking last week about

Alex Lindsay (00:55:57):
What they were about possibility. Yeah. So I'd love to see them, but the I'd love to see them get aggressive about making it customizable, at least through the audio. You know, and, and, and I will tell you, I've gotten, I've had the, to watch some games where I'm listening to the coms and watching the multi view of the, you know, that the, that the, the truck's using. And I could watch that all, like it's an entirely different example. Yeah. It really

Leo Laporte (00:56:21):

Alex Lindsay (00:56:21):
Really, I pay money for that. Cause you just listen to it. You just listen to them. Talk

Leo Laporte (00:56:25):
Apple's idea of a big experiment was having a woman do the play by play, which to my knowledge has not yet been done in major league baseball. It's definitely a, you know, a, a sexist man's sport. So they had a color was done by a, a former player who was, who wasn't really not, was very confident. Yeah. And that's okay. You kind of expect that, although you also expect them to do a lot of rehearsals, they should have been doing all summer doing play by play. I mean

Alex Lindsay (00:56:52):
On when a pro goes for most like major networks, my understanding is when a pro goes from being a football player, to being an announcer, there's six to 18 months of them getting trained because it's, it's a, it's a hard, it's not like they just come out of it and start talking about it, get,

Leo Laporte (00:57:07):
And its even harder for the play by play folk. I'm gonna say folk, even though they're guys, I know you know, I have good friends who do play by play and I have good friends who are coming up and play by play. Most of them end up going to Syracuse cuz they have a very good school where you can learn, play by play. And then you do the same thing. The ball players do you go to single a ball, you go to double a ball. My friend who's the son of Hank green wall. Hank green wall was the giants announcer for decades. His son wanted to get into this, went to Syracuse, just like Hank did and has been working his way up. And the same time he's doing play by play single a ball. He's selling the ads. He's sweeping out the, I mean it is a grueling years process and he still hasn't made it to the majors. It's been more than 10 years. So, and we, it takes time.

Alex Lindsay (00:57:55):
We see this all the time when we're doing live streams with corporations and they want their, their seat level people to do the show or, or, or a marketing person to do the show. And I'm like, why don't we get an answer? Like, you know, I think that we could let's call solo that O'Brien yeah. Let's call Leo, let's call, let's call somebody that we can have that has done a thousand of these because it takes a thousand of these to get good at it. And it, and it, and it's just a, you have to move the understanding of what you're doing from your frontal lobe to your lower brain. And, and that just takes time so that you're things are just coming out of your mouth while you're watching. And it just is the proper thing. And it's really hard, you know, I think they underestimated it.

Andy Ihnatko (00:58:31):
I, I think the big disappointment here is that why, gosh, if you're doing this through an app where you can do anything you want as a, as a content creator, why are you just simply trying to replicate the TV experience? Are you saying that the, the way that sports is being broadcast on television is the, it can possibly be improved upon? And I think we talked about this before a couple weeks ago where I would love it. If they simply said, we're gonna get four, we're gonna have four different commentary tracks, depending on what you want. If you, we will, we will get the, a long time. Whoever has the RA who has whoever has the radio has radio experience in that local market will get the, the home team. Whoever has radio experience in the opposing teams market will get another feed.

Andy Ihnatko (00:59:11):
We will have, we will we will have a minimal talk sort of thing where someone just says, and that says two balls, two, two balls, two strikes. And, and now was Ferguson coming to replace place a lefthander because it's, it's like the, the number of times where I have I'm, I'm watching a lot of women's college softball on YouTube, cuz I came again, the algorithm recommended like a random like broadcast. And I, I just love it. Not only because the level of Fu and the level of play is so high, but also because it's not these, they're not trying to razzle dazzle. This is like a college like college like a TV station. And they just like give you the information you need. They give it to you in a way that's pleasant, but it's not like there there's, there's no like, and now let's have some, some wing guitars wing, a picture change. It's like, no, we, you can, you can hear people shout in the background. That's fine. Give, give

Leo Laporte (01:00:05):

Andy Ihnatko (01:00:05):
Silence. Let me have my own experience.

Alex Lindsay (01:00:07):
We did a test with golf where it was, it was for VR and you could just watch the clean aperture, you know, nothing on the screen and you could turn the announcer on and off where you just listen to the crowd and everything else. Yeah. And then it put the scoreboard on the other side, you just look over and see the scoreboard, you know, see what the leaderboard looked like. That's

Leo Laporte (01:00:25):
Apparently what they did at the masters.

Alex Lindsay (01:00:27):
Look. It was so

Leo Laporte (01:00:27):
Great. Cause in our chat room user 88, 27 said the master's live stream was great. This year, you could turn off the commentary. It was just the sounds of the golf course, the birds, the winds, the crowds and the sound of the swing. They,

Alex Lindsay (01:00:39):
Their app was actually pretty interesting. So the master had a map out that that was running during the, during it yesterday two days ago. And they let you look at groups of holes as well. So you didn't, you could just go, I just wanna watch where this is now. I didn't see any place where, and you could also go back and look at the, the last time a tiger woods or whatever was swinging. You could just follow along and look at all, all of their, all of their hits. So it was really interesting, you know, to put that together, they had a little bit of a, you know, they were playing it safe. So they, they did this thing where they had ten second segments, which, which means that there's a big delay. Every time you change feeds. But, but outside of that, it was a pretty interesting approach to, to a sport. And I think golf in general has been doing F because it's so, there's so there's so much time to do other things. It is I think it's, it's innovated a lot RNA that does the open in, in the UK has been doing like live streams to the, everyone at the location for over a decade.

Leo Laporte (01:01:36):
Now I will say the video is great to watch it in 4k. And I mean, that was really nice. So maybe the, you know, the announcers are new, I don't know where they came from. Just maybe it's gonna just take a little time for them to settle in. I have also have to say I'm often dis very dissatisfied with play by play announcers in and in major league baseball and NFL. Some, some of these people are terrible, it's they, I guess it's like getting a good quarterback or a great pitcher. There are few and far between, and when you, the Vince Scullys of the word world that don't come along all the time.

Alex Lindsay (01:02:12):
Yeah. I mean, think that

Andy Ihnatko (01:02:13):
The reality of silence,

Leo Laporte (01:02:14):
Yes. There's a rhythm to pay, play by play.

Alex Lindsay (01:02:19):
Well, I think that, I think that there's a lot of, I mean, I I, I know that for me, when I watch a football game, I, there are certain people that I'll watch just because they're calling the show. Like I, I watch a steal game obviously, and I'll put up with whatever, you know, shows up as an announcer. But if I see I just on a Sunday, if I feel like watching a game, I just look where Tony Roos Roos Or Chris Collins last

Leo Laporte (01:02:40):
Two recently, I'm not a fan of Collinsworth.

Alex Lindsay (01:02:42):
Oh, I like him. It took me a while. Yeah. I didn't like him at birth. It took there's

Leo Laporte (01:02:45):
Michaels. That's the problem is that they're these greats and maybe we're just used to 'em, you know, so maybe that's all it is, is what

Alex Lindsay (01:02:52):
We're, I don't think that's his role. I think that are two different roles. Cause now Michael is really calling in play. Chris Collinsworth is his color. So he's so, you know, it's a different, different approach to it. But I love, I love the, that Tony roo gets so excited and he's, and then he know

Leo Laporte (01:03:05):
What he's talking about too, which he does helps

Alex Lindsay (01:03:09):
You're fresh out of the, out of the system. And I mean, that's what John Madden kind of that's right. Pioneered.

Leo Laporte (01:03:14):
He was great too. Although I know people, my wife who hated him. So again, it's a very personal, very personal thing. The reaction as one would expect from fans and from sports talk was pretty negative. But you know, some of it's cuz they, because one of the games had a female play by play announcer and that's very uncommon. You know, I think that, I think I was watching, I I'm see know if you've seen the new Adam McKay, Sean HBO winning time about the LA Lakers of the of the eighties, but chick Herns in there. Of course the great LA Laker play by play guy and he he's kind of a jerk. And when you know, he gets a, a, a partner who who's gonna, well, I won, there's no spoilers. I won't tell you what happens to the partner eventually. But he says, okay, see this hand when it's a fist, you stop talking, partner's doing the color.

Alex Lindsay (01:04:09):

Leo Laporte (01:04:09):
You stop talking. And he goes all the time, right in the middle of the, you stop talking. But chick Hern was a legend. There's a legend, but he doesn't come off very well on that show. I think I, I liked Madden a lot. I really liked Madden a lot. Yeah. Anyway, I just Apple, you know, I don't know where they would go to get somebody better. I mean, all the everybody, you know, is taken. I don't know if there aren't any free agents

Alex Lindsay (01:04:33):
Again, I think that they just have to work out, you know, the, and, and look at what, what their value proposition is. We did, we did some parallel streams. We've done these second year experiences where we bring people in. It's just a different format. Like we don't even try to call the show. We just let you, it's like sitting around with a bunch of pros that are people who used to play the game, all sitting around, talking to each other about the game is really fun. And, and that's just one of the audio tracks, you know, it can just be like, you could literally take the two, the two teams and just put the player players from both sides sitting in there and just talking about the game. And there's a lot of people, I, I would listen to that because these are people who actually were on the ground at that level, talking about like what they're noticing or, oh, that guy was always this way or look at what he's doing with his leg. You know, I would never do that. You know, he can't pick up, can't pick up your leg when you're swinging, you know, like, you know, know, and, and they're, and they're just, you know, going back and forth and you get true, like real, no, I don't know. True. But you get the feeling of inside baseball. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:05:24):
But really, yeah. Yeah. It's a hard thing you to do. I'm not, you know, I would never attempt to.

Andy Ihnatko (01:05:31):
Yeah, no, ju I was just gonna say, just, just the commentators who know the relationship between the catcher and the umpire who says, oh, who, who, who know what the, what the, what the catcher is doing to that specific umpire to make the strike zone a little bit bigger. That's the sort of stuff that, that gets makes into a huge fan of a commentator as opposed to just the game.

Leo Laporte (01:05:50):
Yeah. Yeah. I felt like these guys were reading you, you, you, you always, one of the things, you know, I've watched, I've spent a lot of time in play by play booths. You have statisticians, you have helpers, especially in broadcast television, you have lots of people who are giving you cards and with stats on 'em and you could tell the announcers that was, they were just getting fed the lines. They were just reading the lines the whole time. That's fine. But yeah, I

Alex Lindsay (01:06:15):
Think, I think, again, this is the first time they're gonna do it every week for, so I'll, I'll judge them more. Like I might come back in 12 weeks and see like, okay, now, where are they? Did they do anything? Yeah. And, and even the first season may be hard. I mean, the whole, whole first season may, it's really hard to change gears in the middle. So it may be one of those things, like they're gonna learn a lot and then next year will look

Leo Laporte (01:06:33):
A lot different. Yeah. and is it four? Okay. I think it is. It sure looks

Alex Lindsay (01:06:39):
Like, I, I think that it's actually sourced in 10 80 and it's getting scaled up.

Leo Laporte (01:06:44):
Oh, scaling

Alex Lindsay (01:06:44):
It. I don't think that, yeah. I don't think that it's for actual 4k. I would be excited if it was, and I think that that's where Apple, you know, what this provides is a weekly platform for Apple to go to 4k, able to go to high frame rate exactly. For Apple to go to H eight K high frame rate, you know, like, so you could, you know, Apple can play with all these things because all the TVs are all one 20. Right. And so it's, you know, you, it is just a matter of releasing a new Apple TV that could do it, do it. Yeah. And then Apple could put out, so we may be seeing them just experiment. And then, oh, by the way, here's eight K. Cuz that would be, that would be really hard for, I mean, I can just, I've seen a lot of sports at AK one 20 and I've seen baseball at AK one 20. And I can tell you that once you see it, it's really hard to go back. Like it is like, cuz it just looks like a window, you know, like right in front of you and it is it's, it's amazing. And so like I don't, I'm not proposing that film should be 20. They should be stay at 24. Yeah. But the, but live live events at, at AK one 20 S and now they have a platform to do it with and all they gotta do is put the cameras out

Leo Laporte (01:07:45):
There. Yeah. It did crash too, by the way in the middle of,

Alex Lindsay (01:07:49):
I didn't see that. I guess I didn't

Leo Laporte (01:07:50):
Talk about it. I didn't see it either. Yeah. Cuz I was watching replay where it did not crash. So maybe a lot of people were watching. I,

Alex Lindsay (01:07:57):
I jumped on it live and I, and as a person who does live, anytime someone does something for the first time I kind of expected to crash. I expected like a long wait. And so when it popped right up and it was playing well and I was like, they did a pretty good job. Those guys must know what they're doing. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:08:11):
Yeah. What a surprise. You know, I, I think on balance, you're exactly right. This is a great opportunity for Apple and to do something interesting. So it's worth it and I'll be, I'll be watching again every week cuz I think the picture quality, the graphics do make it fun. And you can always turn this out if you want or pull up the radio. If you want the play by play from the homers

Alex Lindsay (01:08:35):
Problem. I think that with streaming, we put so much buffer into it. You would be hearing what happened like 30 seconds before.

Leo Laporte (01:08:41):
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. In fact I had that question on the radio show. How do I synchronize? And what I would used to do is I would pause my TiVo on the backtrack and then wait a tune in, caught up and then press play.

Alex Lindsay (01:08:55):
And then you got 'em all because

Leo Laporte (01:08:56):
Tunein was really delayed as well. So it was actually, audio was actually behind the video on TuneIn. That probably would, I don't know. I'll have to try it. I'll I'll let you know

Alex Lindsay (01:09:06):

Leo Laporte (01:09:07):
I'll let you know. Let's see, what else is what else is going on? Hmm, zero day exploits, which were found in and fixed in Monterey were have still yet to be fixed. We reported this last week and the, and it's still the case yet to be fixed in big certain Catalina. I, I, I wonder if we're gonna see updates for those two or if Apple's just gonna really say you need to be using the latest version and if you can't as I couldn't on my 2014 IMAX, guess what? We've got these fine Mac minis and Mac studios. You think you're gonna love them? I think you're gonna love them

Andy Ihnatko (01:09:50):
A $679 security update. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:09:55):
It is the case that because Apple hasn't announced new hardware and got weeks that the Apple press is going crazy over these leaked images of a 35 wat dual USBC power adapter. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Okay. Wow.

Andy Ihnatko (01:10:15):
Again, I allow me to give you a couple of Amazon links to several chargers of that capacity with,

Leo Laporte (01:10:23):
But this, these are from Apple. These are from Apple unlike Apple's current 20 wat charger, foldable prongs. It's just amazing. Apple's this is to me a test money of how much Apple has captured people's attention. And if they just is a possibility they're gonna lease a new charger.

Alex Lindsay (01:10:46):
Well, I think the issue is crazy. A lot of us try to buy other things, you know, we, and I have third party stuff, but a lot of us buy third party accessories and they're all a little, I mean, almost anchor makes a little longer. So what these are probably it's using these good ones. Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:10:59):
They're using the gallium nitride technology that anchor and others are using, which means you can get, you know PD high, high watage power delivery on USBC in a small, small package. And that to me looks like kind of what this might be.

Alex Lindsay (01:11:15):
Yeah. But so I think people get excited though, because you know, it's kinda like there's lots of iPhone adapters that do H D I and power and everything else, but we've all decided just to use the Apple ones because the other ones are all wonky. Yeah. Like they're all, they're all, they're some wonky problem with them all the time. And so I think that a lot of times people get excited about it cuz they're like, oh finally, we'll just get what we're, we'll get one that just, again, that just works. And it just ties into the ecosystem.

Andy Ihnatko (01:11:37):
I, I, I just think that this is what, this is what we get when we're looking at like the Apple fan base, which is, oh my God, new Apple product. Oh my God.

Leo Laporte (01:11:43):
New charger. And there, and there was, I saw

Andy Ihnatko (01:11:47):
And I saw the, I saw the excitement like about headlines, like, oh, break, breakthrough change, upcoming iPhones. Like you're you really went with that headline for a new charger. And of course, of course, no, one's gonna get it free with the iPhone. It's gonna be a product. But but I'm, I'm, it seems like an odd thing for Apple to be making a product that's so well covered by third parties, probably just as well with but for like 20 bucks less. But the same at the same point is one of my complaints about when Apple decided to stop, including chargers with phones, it's really, really important to know that the consumer has at least one charger that is absolutely safety rated. That is not like a knockoff charger. They bought at a drug store that as soon as you throw it into a situa a situation that is not completely nominal for us line current, you could have a fire hazard for, for a device that will often be plugged in and then left to its own devices. So to speak for, for hours at a time UN unabsorbed, there are good. It's not as though people are buying need to buy 50 or 60 of these chargers over the, over the course of the iPhone. So if they walk out there spending an extra 50 bucks for one, one charger that they know is gonna work, as Alex says, is gonna be able the fast charged the device safely, but also they is least likely to start a fire. I think that's a that's that's peace of mind worth what paying for

Leo Laporte (01:13:03):
Apple's very careful activation lock of course keeps people from stealing iPhones. They're very careful about making sure that a iPhone or an iPad when it transfers to a new owner you know, it's been released by the previous owner. And I understand why they do that. Apparently though, it's causing problems for some retailers who take back AirPods. They are not, they remain linked to the previous owner's iCloud account, even after a factory reset. It's kind of like the activation lock for an I iPhone or an AirPod. Apparently one refurbisher of AirPods go TG has a stockpile of 30,000 AirPods over the, just the course of the past few weeks. The the chief sales officer says the told business insider the issue effects about eight and 10 AirPods that come through the company's facilities. If you get one of these EarPods and you try to open it up, you know, you bought one and you try to open it up on your iPhone, you'll get a popup message that says EarPods mismatch.

Leo Laporte (01:14:08):
The ear earbuds of your EarPods are linked to a different Apple IDs possibly because one of the earbuds is mixed up with someone else's EarPods. And there isn't really any good solution. So there's, they've, they've actually been unable to resell these these AirPods often returned through retailers like Walmart. I guess it's gonna be up to Apple to figure this figure this out. Patrick Wardle, who does the you know, objective C very useful tools says he thinks it might have been set up on purpose by Apple as, as kind of a activation lock. The main way of course is to have the, to avoid this, to have the original owner, just like with your, your iPhone and your iPad, unlink it from your iCloud account before you recycle this. But most people do not do this. Yeah. IFT capital might well say this is a feature. This is intended.

Andy Ihnatko (01:15:08):
It certainly it's also certainly makes it more difficult. Makes people more wary of buying things on the secondary market. Right. I mean, remember, remember, remember a time where it used to be used to be able to buy a, a second, a secondhand iPhone without really worrying that much about it. Even if you, even if you knew that you're not buying a stolen product now, what are the chances to know that look, this person has definitely deactivated the phone. This is definitely go. I can definitely attach it to a new iCloud account without getting a screen saying, Hey, I'm sorry, this is return this to so and so I'm not, I'm not necessarily thinking that Apple's doing this deliberately, but I think that that's a factor in how much they think that, oh my God, we absolutely have to let's we need, we need to cancel the Mac pro project. We need everybody on this, on this re relink, all the old AirPods problem solving.

Leo Laporte (01:15:55):
Do they, Apple doesn't have any intentionally doesn't have any way that you can solve this with an iPhone or an iPad. There's no website. You can go to saying, Hey, I bought this iPad and I can't get in because it's linked to somebody's account. Can you release it? I have been told by various Apple employees at retail that you can bring it into the Apple store. And if you can prove ownership that they can unlock it, but they do it through a website now. But that website is not open to the public. Obviously it's only Apple genius as fair. You can do that. Yeah. Yeah. It voids theft and it certainly was effective. Remember, before activation lock, there was a very brisk market in stolen iPhones.

Alex Lindsay (01:16:36):
They've taken all the fun out of it, all the fun out, stealing your Apple products.

Leo Laporte (01:16:40):
Not good anymore. Exactly. But, but at AirPods, maybe there should be a way to kind of release them. I don't know.

Andy Ihnatko (01:16:47):
It would. Yeah. Particularly if, if, if I, if you hard docket to a device that is known to Apple so that you can, well, okay, we will let you re reassign this to this new iCloud account, but of course, there's going to be a record that the air, that AirPods with this serial number has been found and is now being used by this Apple user. Maybe that's a compromise, but the hard

Alex Lindsay (01:17:08):
Part, the hard part is is that even at the level of a laptop, if it's stolen, you're never getting impact. Like, you know, the thing is you just can't get the police to even act on it. So something like an AirPod no one's gonna go after them. So, no, that's true. The only way you can, the only way you can do it is stop it because it's just not, it's not gonna rise to the level of, we're gonna do anything about this, you know? And I think that's the, that's the challenge. You have to make it hard.

Andy Ihnatko (01:17:29):
It could be enough to know that yes, someone on who's living on your floor, the dorm took it, or some, one of your roommates or one of your kids took it. He's not, is not own owning up to it.

Leo Laporte (01:17:39):
In, in my case, it's actually my kid, because for some reason, Henry, when I gave him my AirPods, renamed it to some other person's name and I saw it on, I fine mine. I said, Henry who's, did you lose your ear pie? He says, no, no, that's me. I just wanna use a funny name.

Andy Ihnatko (01:17:58):
His secret Instagram. Yeah. You know his secret TikTok. Yay.

Leo Laporte (01:18:00):
Yeah. She calls himself Chicago, Dave. So, so I'm looking, I'm seeing, is he,

Andy Ihnatko (01:18:07):
Is, is he a poker house?

Leo Laporte (01:18:09):
The, I don't know what it's, I'm lucky. And I see Chicago Dave's AirPods and I'm thinking I called Henry. I said, well who's did you lose your AirPods? He said, no, no, that's me Chicago. Dave, call me Chicago, Dave,

Andy Ihnatko (01:18:22):
Either a gambling hustler or he is coming up with his own line of like barbecue sauces.

Leo Laporte (01:18:27):

Alex Lindsay (01:18:30):
The funny thing, the funny thing there is, is that my, you know, I, I look at my amplifier or whatever that I have in my house. And, and I just saw a name, a name that I didn't recognize. And I just took it off the internet. Like I just took it off the, this just device. My daughter came in like five minutes later. She, can you put me back on the internet?

Leo Laporte (01:18:45):
I'm like, can please do this.

Alex Lindsay (01:18:46):
I was like, I was like when did I turn you off? And she goes, you just did. And I was like, oh, that's

Leo Laporte (01:18:51):
Your name? That's who that

Alex Lindsay (01:18:51):
Is. Okay. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:18:53):
I don't know if you remember. But way back when Henry was on MacBreak Weekly, he was back in the Scott. We were a Scott born studio and I interviewed him. He was like, I don't know, 12 or 13. And we were talking to him. I said, do you have a a a Twitter account? He says, yeah. He says, is it Henry Laport? He says, no, it's a Ray danger. Ray danger has been on Twitter since 2008. And and that's, and that's that's my son right there. He follows me. Henry's a strange fellow. Strange, strange anyway. Oh, there is, there is a Chicago, Dave, apparently he's an old college friend of Stan on, on, I don't know. That's from American dad, the south

Alex Lindsay (01:19:44):
Park or

Leo Laporte (01:19:45):
The American dad. Yeah. I don't, I don't know if Henry watches American dad I'll have to ask him. Okay. Maybe that's where she, Chicago. Dave now explain where Ray danger came from. Apple has restored the Nial app to the app store. Google did it. So, so both Google and Apple had apps that were created by supporters of opposition critic, Naval, who was first poisoned, recovered, and now is jailed by the Putin government. When the elections were coming Russia said to both Google and Apple take down that app, they did, they did Google put it back shortly after the elections. Apple has now just now reinstated the app into its store

Andy Ihnatko (01:20:31):
And to, and to make sure we all mentioned that the, that the government was actually threatening Apple and Google employees who were inside Russia, basically saying that they, there was the story was detailed last month, about how as soon as Google, as soon as Google's employees found out about usher to remove this app, they moved they moved that Google employee to a hotel outside of her outside of her home, outside of her office. And then the next day a knock on the door, the hotel was a police officer saying, hi, we're wondering what, how your work on removing that app is, oh, so they were, they were, they were, they were threatening employees on the ground. That's one of the reasons why Russian other countries have the, these laws and say that if you're gonna be operating, you have to have a local office and local employees,

Leo Laporte (01:21:12):
Somebody we can arrest.

Andy Ihnatko (01:21:14):
Right. But it is, it is interesting that Google reinstated, it looks like pretty much as soon as, as soon as the elections were over. Whereas Apple only did it recently. I don't know that that means anything, but that is

Alex Lindsay (01:21:25):
Interesting. I think it was after Apple got their employees though. I would

Leo Laporte (01:21:28):
Guess the Apple employees are gone now. Yeah,

Alex Lindsay (01:21:31):
I would guess. But I think it was, they were once they were extracted, I think that they were,

Leo Laporte (01:21:34):
We should point out everything. You do have an option. Not ha just say, no, we're not gonna have employees in country. And, and then if Russia says, okay, then you can't Apple stop selling iPhones in Russia right after the UK.

Alex Lindsay (01:21:46):
Well, I think that, I think Apple I in or many corporations in Russia is probably a long way, way. Yeah. Like it's this is becoming untenable. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:21:56):
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Leo Laporte (01:25:20):
Ooh, NSO group added again, senior EU officials targeted with Israeli spot. I wear now. Oh, but wait, we don't sell this to anyone. Besides good, good people, good people. Reuters reporting that senior officials at the European commission were targeted last year including two EU officials, Didier renders, who was a senior Belgian states, European justice commissioner since 2019 for the commission staffers also targeted. The commission became aware of the targeting. Following messages issued by Apple to thousands of iPhone owners in November telling them they were targeted by state sponsored attackers. If you get that message, take it seriously. This was we reported this when it happened the first time Apple had ever sent a mass alert like this good on Apple for catching it and reporting it. I guess there's not much I else to say about that, except these, you know, these guys are supposedly gone, but maybe not, maybe

Andy Ihnatko (01:26:29):
Not maybe. I just, I, I remember coming across an article I think that in the financial times saying that the private they're being sued by a bunch of people, which means that there's a lot of different discovery happening in the United States Supreme court and in the, in London court system. And one of them was that the private equity valuation of the company is essentially zero. Yeah. So, or essentially valueless. So you got, you gotta wonder, this is, this must. This must be like when like the German rocket research team broke up after world war II that

Leo Laporte (01:27:00):
Theirs going Down's who got burner V bra, our German son, our Nazi scientists are better than your Nazi scientists. Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:27:06):
Paper clip two Clippy. Yeah. Operation Clippy.

Leo Laporte (01:27:09):
Yeah. What was, what was that from the right stuff? I think it was our, our Nazis are better than your Nazis

Alex Lindsay (01:27:17):
As, as from the right stuff is the right. Our Germans, I think our Germans are better,

Leo Laporte (01:27:20):
But we knew they were Nazis. Yeah. Apple business essentials are now available for small businesses. This is something that was in beta is now public, according to Apple's newsroom thousands of small businesses in the Apple business essentials, beta reported significant time savings and renewed ability to focus on their mission. Hmm. Device management, 24 7 Apple support and iCloud storage.

Alex Lindsay (01:27:48):
Yeah. I think, I think it's a good, it's a good step. That's like halfway between what we had before in champ. So it's like, it's

Leo Laporte (01:27:55):
Says, Hey, well, you know, we're thrilled that they're doing this. This is adjunct to what we already do. Cause they do a lot of management stuff. Yeah. it doesn't seem to

Andy Ihnatko (01:28:03):
It's supposed device management. Those people gonna went from that. Right.

Leo Laporte (01:28:06):
Right. The Apple support app has been updated with support for business essentials customers with Apple care plus. So check that. And there is we had mentioned before tap to pay on iPhone, which is coming later this year, Apple has some new partners in that light speed commerce and new store. Okay. So you can, this is so you can, as an iPhone owner accept payments,

Andy Ihnatko (01:28:42):

Leo Laporte (01:28:43):
Kinda like your square,

Andy Ihnatko (01:28:45):
Right. Exactly. Square without only without external device,

Leo Laporte (01:28:47):
Without any other external device tap to pay on iPhone will work with contactless credit and debit cards from leading payment networks. I think that we're, we're a ad a Adden a, Y I'm probably saying that wrong a Y is gonna offer, tap to pay. I'm not sure what add Y is.

Alex Lindsay (01:29:07):
I think we're just gonna get to watch this over next couple years, Apple just, you know,

Leo Laporte (01:29:11):
You wanted them to be a bank.

Alex Lindsay (01:29:13):
Like just, I, not too funny. I'm not saying, yeah. I'm not saying that I wanted to. I just think that they will yeahm mean, I think that they're, but they, the way to do it is to do it by the way you're doing it here, which is just keep on adding some before. And then when you step over to being the bank, it was like a little step. It wasn't a jump or a, a jog or a, a flight. It was just like, oh, and now we're gonna, you know? Yeah. Cause you're almost there. I mean, you're just so close right now.

Leo Laporte (01:29:37):
Da da go has shipped the, their new browser. You, you know them as a search tool, but there is now do dot, go for windows, Mac, and Linux based on Google's chromium, but it is de Googled of course, and has built in privacy protections, private search tracker, blocking website, encryption HTTPS everywhere and email protection. So I, I haven't tried it, but it's based on chromium. So it it'd be probably a good alternative for people who want to use Chrome, but don't want to give up their privacy.

Andy Ihnatko (01:30:10):
It's, it's nice to have a one step recommendation for people because the, the, the plugins that you need to have in in any chromium or safari browser in order to get those kind of protections, it's a lot more than a lot of people willing to, to deal with. If you're just, even if they know that privacy is something they need to protect, it's like how much trouble are they willing to go through? And also how much trouble are they gonna willing to go through on a day to day basis accessing websites. So that's why it's great to have this one, this one company that we kind of trust doing this one thing we can say, well, look, it's at least have two different browsers on your desktop that you use by default, which is privacy oriented. And then if there's anything that doesn't work with that fine drop back into safari.

Leo Laporte (01:30:48):
Yeah. it, oh, wait a minute. It is I'm sorry. I apologize on the Mac. It is not chromium based. It uses. Yeah. Oh, so this actually might be a really good alternative if you want to use WebKit you want to use S but you want to use APRI more private version of it. Oh, that's oh, really interesting. Okay. Okay. So good. And I actually, I'm, I'm very nervous about chromium completely dominating the world through Google Chrome and it's and it's adjuncts. And so it's not, I, I use Firefox it's I want a little more diversity. This is another way to get some diversity into the ecosystem. You're not using Chrome. DTA go for windows is coming soon. I'm sorry. It's not out. Quite yet. Mac first came out today. Apple TV has made a deal with Tom Hanks. AONE did you see Greyhound? It was a really, really good dramatic movie. I liked it. The story of a world war II, Andy submarine, boat captained by Tom Hanks. Apparently they're gonna make a sequel to Greyhound it's in development. Finch was the other movie they got from a Playone and I think,

Alex Lindsay (01:32:06):
I thought, I thought fi was, I thought Finch was better.

Leo Laporte (01:32:09):
I thought it was, oh, really? I love Greyhound Finch. I thought was right. You like fi that's

Alex Lindsay (01:32:13):

Leo Laporte (01:32:14):
But you have kids. I think kids probably love

Alex Lindsay (01:32:16):
Fi yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:32:20):

Andy Ihnatko (01:32:21):
This, I mean, this, this is gonna be, this is gonna be a great buy for their for like a documentary style like not non documentary style content because they Playone is buying a lot of books. A lot of like biographies, a lot of historical books. So that's, it's, it's a pretty good deal. It's a pretty good face. And it's also, Tom Hanks is not gonna get into trouble for content,

Leo Laporte (01:32:41):
Right. He's a safe, he's a safe bet. Actually, this might be kind of the fallout we were talking about with Apple winning an Oscar for Koda Hanks had rid done Greyhound for Sony pictures and Finch for universal Apple bought them this time. Platon is gonna make it as an Apple or original film and will be available only on Apple streaming. Apple is also Hanks tapped Hanks as executive producer, actually a show he'd been working on called masters of the air. You remember? He was he was a, a fan of was it bro brothers in arms? What was

Alex Lindsay (01:33:17):
Banded bro band band

Leo Laporte (01:33:18):
Of brothers. Really great.

Alex Lindsay (01:33:19):
He was, he was one of the, I think he came out of doing yeah. Saving prior Ryan and just wanted to really dig into that. And so this incredible series, by the way, this is

Leo Laporte (01:33:27):
A yeah, must see. And a brother he's not in it, but he produced it. I don't think he'll be in this either. He's executive producer, masters of the air, a world war II, epic 10 part series about the eighth air force. He did the Pacific after the band of brothers, which was not as good as band of brothers. But masters of the year wrapped filming late last year budget in excess of 200 million for the 10 part series premier date yet to be announced. But Apple TV also will have the exclusive on that one.

Alex Lindsay (01:33:59):
And I wonder if he knew if they, if they, if that was a I guess my, my question is is whether that was something he knew was gonna be Apple TV or they sold it to them later. And the reason for that is that the approach to shooting will be much bigger if you know, you have a big budget. Yeah. Like, so you, yeah. You know, there's, there's different ways you'll approach it. And you can start to see some of that with some of the Apple content is that they are you when they, when they know they're shooting it with Apple and Apples, put the money into it, the, the, the fit and finish is higher than when, when they did

Leo Laporte (01:34:29):
Any of you watch severance Ben Stiller's series on Apple TV.

Alex Lindsay (01:34:33):
I, I haven't watched it yet.

Leo Laporte (01:34:35):
Oh my God. Well, just finished, just wrapped. And it was a first, it was it's so claustrophobic. I wasn't really getting into it, but by the end and the way they ended. Whew. And by the way, it's very frustrating cuz they ended kind of in the, you know, one of these things they do now in the middle, you gotta wait for season two. And I'm just, I'm biting my teeth. My, my nails until season two comes out. So that's worth watching. I think, I think that's a good show. Different, but good. Interesting. Yeah,

Andy Ihnatko (01:35:08):
It, it, this is, this is becoming kind of a factor. I was just a couple, just the other day was announced that there was a really, you're familiar with the graphic now Pona it's a really, really, really cool graphic novel came out like five or six years ago. A animation studio associated with Fox picked it up for to make it into an animated feature. Then Disney bought Fox and suddenly Disney was like having problems with a lot of the content because there is like a, there is like a, a same sex romance inside. It is a is for like kids and teens, but it's just, you know, it's a fairy tale and to the, and two of the characters happened to be men who were in love with each other and they kiss and Disney was saying, Ooh, we wanna tone that down.

Andy Ihnatko (01:35:48):
Oh geez. And this, for this and another much of reasons, like it was clear that Disney was kind of putting it into like the bin and then Netflix of course picked it up and they're probably gonna success with it, cuz it is like a it's in the past five or six years, it's become a classic. So if Apple and other streamers can take advantage of mistakes that other streamers are making, that's probably a pretty good deal. That's prob it's probably something that would attract someone like a Tom Hanks saying that we are not going to, we're not gonna have problems with super, super conservatives being upset that putting the we're putting the Apple TV name to again, people who are in love, being in love with each other.

Leo Laporte (01:36:23):
And I'm sure though, Tim cook being the best known out CEO in, in the world is also reluctant to get, make Apple TV be kind of the place for gay dramas either. Right? You don't want to kind of get that label, but well

Alex Lindsay (01:36:39):
They have a lot of, I mean they have a lot of content in, in there already. That's leaning, you know, that, that direction. So, so I don't think they're that afraid of it.

Andy Ihnatko (01:36:46):
Okay. I I'd be surprised if that was a concern, you know?

Leo Laporte (01:36:48):
Okay, good. There

Alex Lindsay (01:36:49):
There's, there's definitely some, a fair bit of content actually that that's there. So I don't think that they're afraid of that.

Leo Laporte (01:36:55):
10 episode workplace comedy starring may Ru awful debut Friday, June 4th on Apple TV. It's called loot loot. You know, we've been over the last few weeks, there's been a lot of Apple TV stories. They're they're cranking out stuff like crazy, all of a sudden good for them. I

Andy Ihnatko (01:37:16):
I, and I'm, I'm glad to working with Maya Rudolph she's she's, she's, she's incredible. And in a, in a more enlightened world that in a more MERITO world, she would've like already been too expensive for Apple TV. Like five years ago.

Leo Laporte (01:37:28):
Apple TV also has a podcast, a true crime podcast because that's really what podcasting's all about is true. Crime run, Bambi run an Apple original Laurie Bebe was a Milwaukee police officer and Playboy club bunny before being arrested for the murder of her. Husband's ex-wife. Now that's a show you can't miss.

Alex Lindsay (01:37:56):
Really I do think that I do think that there's there's Apple, none of the streamers have really taken advantage of the potential convergence in, you know, between podcasts and, and different social networks and, and just extras, you know, that, that there's so much there. And, you know, Disney kind of did it with Mandalorian where we gave, they gave us kind of an overproduced UN to informed behind the scenes. But I think that there's a, there's no reason there's, you're not trying to buy for time. Right. And it's not in the grand scheme of things. The behind the scenes is not that expensive. And I just feel like they absolutely, they really miss the boat because if you're trying to have people think, oh, this is worth it. And they put out between all the Manda, I mean, you could literally do Mandalorian and every week between of Lian break up, how many the last season got done, you know, to just to fill time, cuz people would stick around, you know, that like it, you know, and so I think that there's just tons of extra content there. That is a 1000th cost per hour than, than the actual content that is just extra content that people are watching. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:38:54):
They've done behind the scenes for, for all mankind and foundation. They have a podcast for the problem with John Stewart. I don't know if it's the same show or a different show. The line, the big

Alex Lindsay (01:39:05):
Thing is,

Leo Laporte (01:39:06):
Is that wild things and hooked. So they have, it's not their first podcasts.

Alex Lindsay (01:39:09):
Yeah. I think that there's just so much that can be done there, you know, and especially when the sets are up, like for instance, I would be building extra content from those sets and those actors while I was, you know, while you have the whole production crew, we're gonna cut, we're gonna do two or three minutes of something or take the stuff we cut out. But, but also two or three minutes that is designed only for the online. And if you watch the regular show, you'll completely get a great experience, but you get all these little, extra little bits that they decided, oh, we're not gonna put that. We, you know, because you always have to cut, you know, the pod race was like 22 minutes long when it first, when it was the first edit, you know? And by the time it got to the film was seven minutes. And you know, I think that you,

Leo Laporte (01:39:47):
Those extra 15 minutes

Alex Lindsay (01:39:49):
Or, you know,

Leo Laporte (01:39:51):
Wanna know what happened 20, 22

Alex Lindsay (01:39:53):
Was really long, but 11 was great. Like seven was too short in my been so, so 11 was, there was an 11 minute version. That was fantastic. Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:40:01):
That's that's, that's, that's just what I, I'm sure there's a way to do that. Well, but oh my God, that's kind of one of my buttons saying that don't don't, if it, if it's important film it, and if it's important to this, you find out if six months later it still seems important. Put it in the actual thing. Don't film something and say that don't, don't put me in a situation where like a movie later, two movies later, or like five episodes later, say what? Who is that person? And why did oh no, no, I don't think you should. Why do they seem so familiar? It's likes songs. You, yeah,

Alex Lindsay (01:40:31):
I think it should be a complete movie. Like there shouldn't be things that you had to go out and get. It's just that there's all kinds. There's always all these extra things. Like, again, the pod race is what it is, but if you, if you it would be great. Like, well, one that's the biggest one that I've seen. So recently has been the last, the first Hellboy with the new actor. And I can't think of the, you know, the, the, the last Hellboy, there's an extra in the DVD, if or in the Apple TV, you know, thing, there's an extra, that's a different open that changes the meaning of wow. The entire film. Yeah. Like, like it is like, watch it. And you're like, whoa, like, like your brain just kind of opens up like open, you know, like it's, it's a, and they, you know, obviously they decided for whatever reason and for business reasons or for whatever, we're not gonna do it that way. And so they had done everything and they got cut out of the movie, but they put it back, they put it back in and it is the, it is the biggest doozy, except for maybe like the end of Ronan, like a multiple there's different ending. But those are like the two biggest ones. Like, it just completely changes the whole movie.

Leo Laporte (01:41:29):
You don't like that. Andy, when they do that,

Alex Lindsay (01:41:31):
I love that. Oh, so,

Andy Ihnatko (01:41:32):
So, okay. So long as this long it's presented, as here is a waste, here is a dumpster full of stuff that we threw out for very, very good reasons here. We made choices every time that we, we, we put cut one of these things, if you would like to see what back to the future might have looked like had Eric stole retained the retain the role of as Martin McFly. Great. He, here it is. It's, it's fun. We enjoy it. We, we we're thirsty for more sometimes, but don't, don't, I, I think it's a mistake when you're saying that our original idea was to make, to make Marty actually be, always be from a hundred years in the future. And he's the person who's always been like showing the a showing doc, like what to do and kind of him towards this thing, cuz there's something that's gonna happen in the year 3000 and we need time travel the 19, 1980s and 1950s to make it happen.

Andy Ihnatko (01:42:21):
Now at that point I'm like, okay, but now you're basically complicating the main story. You're basically trying to create almost trying to create a divided timeline. Maybe part of it is because I've been burned by this like so many times on like Disney and Marvel properties, but I'm, but I'm saying that at some point you have to commit to, this is what the story is. We are not gonna, we're not gonna show you an apocalypse now, it's it. It's cool to find out that that that Martin sheen and his crew like stole stole the surfboard from from, from the ranger ranger, Colonel. And now that there's a big thing with the trying to find it again, but I kind of, could I kind of, I kind of could gun without knowing about that. It's, it's a fun piece of footage, always good to see more footage of Martin sheen, but it's like, don't contaminate me with knowledge of, oh, actually between these two scenes in this perfectly structured and pace movie, there is this like eight minute scene of garbage. That is fun to look cat, but doesn't act that actually kind of takes away from the building drama intention.

Alex Lindsay (01:43:19):
Yeah. I, I think that like again, in the Hellboy one, it was a perfectly good movie and I, I enjoyed it by itself. Like it, it didn't need, you know, the, the new open, but the new open was like, oh, I won't even spoil it. But if you have the Apple TV wonder you have the DVD or Blueray, you need to, if you looked at the, the other, the alternate open, you need to see it. Cuz it's the thing. Yeah. I

Leo Laporte (01:43:41):
Think that what it's really speaking to is the, is like the super fan nor normal people wanna see the movie as edited as in the theaters or the TV show. But the super fans are like, I gimme all the extra stuff behind the scenes I can and you're, I can handle you're

Alex Lindsay (01:43:56):
Generating when you're doing a production, you're just generating enormous amounts of data, you know? And you, you, a lot of times for a lot of these big films, now they have behind the scenes shooting all the time. Sure. And they, you know, and I think that Peter Jackson did a really good job before the, the Lord of the rings of, you know, giving us little tidbits of what's going on to get people excited about it. And I think that I just, I just think there's such an opportunity to do cuz again, we, there are so many things that we cut out of movies that I've worked on, that we just, you know, we just decided for time, like there's only so much you can do in two, two hours and 10 minutes or whatever you've decided is the number. And you know, and that number for by the way has to do with how much money you're gonna make, because how many times can you turn the theater over? Right. So, so the you know, you start going longer and you start, you can get away with it for some films, but it, it can be, you can really cut a third of your, of your revenue out of the opening weekend. And so, so the so the, that number is, is important. And so then you start making you first, you cut all the fat out, but then you start cutting muscle and it would just be great if the muscle showed up somewhere, that's

Leo Laporte (01:44:56):
All. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (01:44:57):
You spent a lot of money on it and it's all it was all done. Yeah. You know, a lot of times, yeah. Sometimes not sometimes it's still just like the, a animatic version of it, which is still

Leo Laporte (01:45:05):
Cool. Well, there's different kinds. I mean, so if you shot a different opening and it didn't test, well, I think that's a interest if you, if you shot eight minutes and, and Francis says, yeah, that really slows us down. It doesn't get us anywhere. Throw it out. I still would wanna see, but sometimes wanna see it after I saw the original. Oh

Alex Lindsay (01:45:25):
No, absolutely. I don't think you should put it out ahead of time. I think you put it out two weeks later or a month later or whatever, like it be time to watch it, but then there's just, you could just be trickling out all this extra little, you know, these extra little bits and again, even just the behind the scenes, I mean, there was so many hundreds and hundreds and thousands of hours shot of S SW one star wars you know, the the episode one and the I, I had to go through some of it. Cause I had to figure out, I had to figure out where to put the pond racers in the, in, in the where, you know, in Maas anyway, I had to put the pod racers in a place and I had to figure out where they put them in. And so I was looking at all the behind the scenes to kind of triangulate where all the pods went. It was just the most fascinating thing. It's George, George Lucas and John, no walking around talking about shots.

Leo Laporte (01:46:10):
Oh yeah. You've seen stuff. That's none of us. Oh yeah.

Alex Lindsay (01:46:12):
I've seen, Yeah. I saw hours of that. I came like, like hours and hours and hours looking for certain things and I would just watch it and, and

Leo Laporte (01:46:20):
Real fans went on

Alex Lindsay (01:46:21):
And then Ts, right.

Leo Laporte (01:46:22):
I would like it all. It is,

Alex Lindsay (01:46:23):
It is the best. Like, it is better than like that, those hours that I spent watching to try to get the data that I needed with some of the, the most interesting, like it's a master's course in filmmaking, cuz you just get this, these kind kind of raw raw takes on, well, we're gonna do this and this is how this is gonna work. And you know, George, you know, just asking questions and John matter of fact, just

Leo Laporte (01:46:42):
How come they have that on film? Oh, cause they had a behind the scenes crew,

Alex Lindsay (01:46:45):
They had a crew follow George for S w one for every moment that he interacted with someone like it was, they have all that footage sitting there and it was,

Leo Laporte (01:46:53):
Did they ever release unbelievable of any 

Alex Lindsay (01:46:55):
There's little bits and pieces, like little bits and pieces of it, but they could have been, they

Leo Laporte (01:46:59):
Document somebody needs to do that documentary. Oh yeah. Probably George is stopping him or Disney or somebody.

Alex Lindsay (01:47:04):
I don't know. I don't know. I George

Leo Laporte (01:47:06):
Still own episode one. I can't remember. No Disney has it now.

Alex Lindsay (01:47:08):
No Disney hasn't yeah. Yeah. But it's it was just, it was and they, and you know, you could do that with every film and it's, it's one person walking around. It was John shank walking around behind him with a cam with a camera and shooting what's going on. It was almost never more than one person. And so you just, you have all this, all this data, you know to, to, to, to work with him.

Leo Laporte (01:47:26):
Hardcore fans love that, that

Alex Lindsay (01:47:27):
Stuff. Oh yeah. That

Andy Ihnatko (01:47:29):
That's, that's different. I, I absolutely, I absolutely agree with you on that point. It's my, my, my usual, my, my, the only problem where I, I really wish that the director hadn't done that or the producers or the owners hadn't done that is when, like my favorite example is probably Amadeus where one of the things that makes that movie so brilliant is that you think that this is, is a battle between soar and Mozart, but it isn't, it's a battle between soar and God soar is not, is not angry with Mozart as far ass's concerned. He made a deal with God. When was a little boy to give me this an amazing gift. And in turn, not only he gave him just enough talent to, to be able to see genius and others. And he, and also put Mo put Moar like right next to God also made sure that moat start would be inside so's orbit.

Andy Ihnatko (01:48:18):
So you can see he'd what a vulgar, UNC coth rude monster that he put this talent in instead of himself. So he's angry with God. But when you look at there was a restored version, that's usually the one that you bought you get when by a brand new DVD or Blueray that also adds a few scenes where solidarity is attacking Mozart directly. One, which he basically tries to basically tries to blackmail stanza Mozart's wife, and go look I'll, I'll help your I'll help Mozart get this job, teaching this kid, but you gotta sleep with me. And that changes everything because now again, now he's why is he, why is he trying to hurt Mozart? Why is he trying to hurt? Well, it does his

Leo Laporte (01:48:58):
Doesn't he kill Mozart at the end effectively by

Andy Ihnatko (01:49:01):
No, he's he's he's killing God's God's creation. It's not, he's not like nothing.

Leo Laporte (01:49:06):
He's not anti Mozart. Just right.

Andy Ihnatko (01:49:09):
No, exactly. That's and that's why it's so, so when you, that's what I'm talking about, when you talk, when I talk about they, they filmed all these scenes at some point when they're looking at the entire movie. Yeah. They decided it, it doesn't just make the movie longer, but it also removes the focus. Well, that

Leo Laporte (01:49:22):
One one's complicated cuz it's based on a play. So there is in fact a canonical script for it, which they deviated from. Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:49:29):
So, but that's that's but that, that's what I'm talking about as a viewer. I don't like it when, later on I'm saying, oh, well actually we didn't tell you the entire story. Here's some stuff that was also happening between these two characters. And you suddenly I've taken this with you in my mind. It changes me. Star memory has gone down to three stars cuz okay. That's very cheap and that's very Todd, I don't, I don't know what so was up to you right now. And that's that, that is so often what happens with the star wars movies with the Mar Marvel movies. It's like, okay. I don't not only did it, was I not informed during the, when I was watching the actual movie itself, did I not know what was going on? Because I didn't see this other thing that I'm expected to spend an extra $8 a month or whatever to see, but also it changed.

Andy Ihnatko (01:50:07):
I, I walked away with a diminished, excuse me. The, the stuff of this, this movie that I thought was very good actually now I don't think was very good because you've made this really, really confusing. You you've got, you've added this anyway. I, I just think that buying the scene stuff is always great when you're adding more content to just because you're saying, Ooh, let's have extra scene with these characters. They'll eat it up. Maybe people will enjoy that. But you're basically now watering down this Beau, what could have been a beautiful two hour, 10 minute movie and turning into like a four hour experience. And I don't wanna see an experience. I wanna see a movie. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:50:44):
We were talking earlier about 10 to 12 week at delays. If you want to get a Mac studio, maybe we now know why this just came in Shanghai and Cun, both locked down due to COVID 19 brand new, as you know COVID 19 restrictions in China, which means Pegatron, QA, and Compal have all suspended factory activities that could have a lot to do. Pegatron makes 20 to 30% of all iPhones and the new iPhone plant in India has not yet begun operation.

Alex Lindsay (01:51:16):
I think that this is the, the long effect of this is going to be diversification from China for a whole bunch of, you know, like this is like, you know, the fact that, and this is a really hard thing for China. Be shutting that down. I mean, I know they're really committed to the zero COVID thing, but it's the, the, the issue that they're gonna have is that, that everyone's realizing between the shutdowns, as well as this, you know, the concern that they're gonna try to do the same thing that Russia is doing in Ukraine, in Taiwan. It just doesn't, you know, because what happens if you're to get at leave China? Like that's a real problem for a lot of these countries. Yeah. And so this is just a preview to that problem. And I think that it's going to have all the companies looking at how they, they reallocate their

Leo Laporte (01:51:57):
Resources. Quant makes MacBooks and also makes Dell and HP laptops and others 20% of its total notebook capacities in Shanghai and has been shut down is also halted activities and coun, they make iPads. So yeah, this could be, this is, this is, this is not yet built into those lead times. So

Andy Ihnatko (01:52:19):
Yeah, the, the shutdown in Shanghai is pretty severe. There's a lot of people who are really going through very, very bad situations. I mean, we're not, we're not talking about, oh, businesses are shut down. People are being encouraged to like stay indoors. Oh no. Is no people are being trapped inside. They they're

Leo Laporte (01:52:34):
Being welding shut. Yeah. Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:52:36):
They're, they're only getting supplies that are being provided to them by the government. And sometimes it's inadequate sometimes it's, it's just very, very hard living inside Shanghai so much sympathy.

Leo Laporte (01:52:45):
Yep. All right. Let's take a little break picks of the week. Gentlemen, coming up next first to word from Z doc. You know, there's some really amazing doctors out there, but the only ones that matter are the ones that take your insurance, right? I mean, if you, if you can't afford to go to that doctor, what good are they with Zach doc? You can, some doctors who are in network find a doctor who can, who can both take your insurance and is right for you. No more wasting time hunting down, aunt Shirley's cash, only chiropractor or the dentist, your coworker recommended who's not taking new patients. No one knows what you're looking for in a doctor better than you. And no, one's better at giving at tools to find the perfect doctor. Then Zoc Zoc D C the people who created Zoc realized there were some major pain points in healthcare.

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Alex Lindsay (01:55:34):
All right, I got a, I got a free one for you, but may everyone may not be able to get it. This is from, this is reality scan. And this is from this is from app actually they're owned by epic now. So epic bought them as part of epic is not only, you know, doing, you know, games of course, and they have unreal engine, but they're building all the feeder systems that go into unreal engine. And so one of the things that they've purchased is this company called reality scan, which a lot of us knew about in the past. We've used it in, you know, for photogrammetry and so on and so forth. And now they're releasing an iPhone app. If you're listening to this, they said that the first 10,000 people that want to go to Tesla and get it can be part of it.

Alex Lindsay (01:56:08):
It's been, it came out last week. So I don't know how many you're left, but what it does is lets you start to take photos here. Let me show you. Let's see here. So if I cut to this, this is the app and what I can do is you can see my, my little my little dude there and I can start taking pictures and you'll see it. It kind of, it's kind of cool. It shows you in AR you're you're seeing the photos. Oh, that's neat that I'm taking pictures. So you get, and if you pull back, you can see where the

Leo Laporte (01:56:35):
Photos are. It looks like a bunch of Polaroid.

Alex Lindsay (01:56:37):
Yeah. It's like, it's like a shooting little Polaroids of, of, of our subject here. And you know, we can keep on and, and at some point it's gonna start giving us a preview of what, what happens when I get to a certain level here is that we

Leo Laporte (01:56:53):
Want a 3d rum SL.

Alex Lindsay (01:56:55):
Yeah, exactly. This, this one will not produce it. Cause I'm trying to show, I'm trying to just get it to

Leo Laporte (01:56:59):
Roy is unfortunately surrounded by switchers. But other than that, yeah, exactly. The valley of switches,

Alex Lindsay (01:57:05):
He has control of the switchers. He's taking the switcher room. So he will soon find his, his, his query

Leo Laporte (01:57:12):

Alex Lindsay (01:57:12):
Be the trash gun

Leo Laporte (01:57:13):
Factor though.

Alex Lindsay (01:57:14):
I'm not sure. Anyway. So what happens normally? And I don't know why, I'm what, I'm something about me doing it the way I'm doing it. You can't. There we go. That's what I was trying to get. Oh, so here's, what's cool about this is start saying, okay, I know of that. I know where all this stuff is, and this is all like AR stuck to, you know, stuck. You can see that it's like, it's stuck to the, the scene, right? Yeah. Now what, what it is is that the red area say I don't have enough data yet for that the green area say I've got plenty of coverage. So

Leo Laporte (01:57:40):
You areas take picture of the red and yellows.

Alex Lindsay (01:57:42):
Yeah. You keep on wanting to coverage it, you know? And so, and as you, as you add more, it adds more detail says, okay, well, and you, it's a really cool little app. And then what happens is, is that there there's, there's like a box there. Then I can go to inspect. And this is my, this is the, and this just shows you kind of a rough area. So you can go, you know, there's a lot of this I don't need, or, you know, I'm not interested in, can kind of pull this touch. I only wanna build a model of, of that. Yeah. Like a little garbage mat now I'll show you another. So that was that then what, what that does is you export that to sketch fab. So those boxes are just there to give you a guide of, of the, of the area that you're working with. And then if you look at this, this is something I shop in my living room. My, and so this is the actual 3d model. Wow. That's really, you can see that. There's amazing.

Leo Laporte (01:58:31):

Alex Lindsay (01:58:31):
Yeah. So it, it took like an hour for it to do this, but it, it is it's really detailed, you know, like it's, it's so this is and this is the advantage of using photogrammetry as well as LIDAR. The LIDAR helps with all of that AR that we were just doing, but then the photogrammetry really takes over for the detail, you know? And, but that guide is just super valuable of it showing you where what's working and not working. I just kept on looking at areas that were red or yellow and just kept on giving it information that I needed to do to do it. But it's, if you look at these, especially if you start to look at the the part, the parts you wanna look at are like the silhouette right here is that, is, that means that there's real geometry there. You know, that's not like just a ball, you know, with some stuff that's actual, you know, that's, that's a, that's a really, so

Leo Laporte (01:59:18):
Alex can tell AATE airplay as well as everything else. Yeah. You are, are just, wow. Wow.

Alex Lindsay (01:59:25):
Anyways, so so

Leo Laporte (01:59:29):
Slip that one in didn't you,

Alex Lindsay (01:59:31):
So, anyway. Yeah. Nice. So, anyway so, so that, that is, it's a really cool it'll app. If it's still available. I mean, if it'll be available, I'll, we'll pick when it's out.

Leo Laporte (01:59:40):
Cause it's specializing, this is a fairly specialized thing. Not everybody's

Alex Lindsay (01:59:43):
Gonna, so there may be some, some spaces left and maybe, I don't know, maybe they're making up the 10,000. I don't know, but, but I would highly recommend playing with it. It's a really fun app. And you just get a little, you get an account on sketch fab and you get this and then it'll just upload. 'em Don't take any, I don't know where the I'm not taking geometry of things that matter, like or things that are important to me secret, cuz I'm putting on sketch fab, but, but I am, but as a test, I mean, this is gonna be a big part of the future is being able to generate these, this geometry from just a photo and you know, Apple has its own stuff. Real, this reality scan is coming out. And what typically happens with epic is they don't charge you for any of it because they're, you know, their model is making people successful in the metaverse right? So they turning real objects into what you, you wanna wear or not wear, but put in your scenes is, is important to them. So, so I think that they're just gonna, I, I don't expect this to ever suddenly turn into something you have to pay for. So it's a, it's pretty, it's pretty slick little app

Leo Laporte (02:00:35):
Reality scan. There's a test flight. So you need to go to, I guess capturing Beta is full. Yeah. The beta is now is beautiful. Oh, well I think we mentioned this before. Didn't we, I, I, I don't think we, I know I seen this. I know I've seen this armchair before, so yeah. Right. You do.

Alex Lindsay (02:00:54):
Maybe we talked about it last I

Leo Laporte (02:00:56):
Don't and we might have filled it up last week. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (02:00:59):
I'm, I'm glad you showed off the, the detail because when I look at photogram three apps and they, the wonderful demo object that they put on the website, they, they put for manipulation. Sometimes the question is, okay, how much of that is actual 3d vertices based polygon detail and how much is just simply that you caught the shadow when you took the, when you took the, the image, the color, the light balance off of that, cause then you look to the 3d object itself and it's like, okay, there was actually no puckering in that seat. Okay. You didn't actually get that crack in that surface there. So yeah, that's, that's very, very encouraging.

Alex Lindsay (02:01:35):

Leo Laporte (02:01:35):

Andy Ihnatko (02:01:35):
Say, I gotta say you're, you're influencing me because I have yesterday, I was working at one of my two or three favorite libraries that are not the Boston public library. And, and I, I find the great thing about like old libraries in new England is that there's always a back room that doesn't look like it's, it's part of the public area, but it actually is. If you just ask the library and Hey, where's the qu and you find yourself in this Oak infused like boardroom environment where they have like marble busts that like were donated by some dower 1917. And so as I'm working, I'm looking at this bust of Athena, I'm thinking, you know what? The, the Boston public library would probably not allow me to have direct accent to like pull something down and put it on table. But I bet these librarians would say, no, absolutely go I'm sure. Let me get a ladder. Yeah. I like that would probably be a good thing for photogrammetry

Alex Lindsay (02:02:24):
And yeah, absolutely. Well, we have a, there's a millennium Falcon sitting in our, in, in the hallway, in our office and that someone built really high res and we're gonna take it off by talking to the person who made it and we're gonna take it off and take, do a test with this to see how far we can push it. Wow. The to, to this we we'll talk about that and when I do it, but this is the geometry, so this is yeah. Like you can really, those are all the boxes you see. Yeah. Yeah. This is, well, this is just polygons. I mean, it's just an incredible amount of data, you know? It's yeah. So, and that's obviously, when you look at it this way, you can see it's been decimated a little bit, so it's, it's even doing it relatively efficiently cuz otherwise it'll all be, you know? Yeah. This would all be the same if it wasn't decimated. So it's decimated it down to what it thinks it needs for the, for the detail. Anyway.

Leo Laporte (02:03:08):
Very cool. Andy and NACO is apparently an RSS queen. Go ahead.

Andy Ihnatko (02:03:17):
I've just, I'm I've I've been re-looking at them workflows. I've been doing obviously a lot of my work is keeping on top of like so many like feeds and sources to just in the morning, find out that what, how is my, how is my afternoon going to be disrupted by the fact that oh, something new happened that's totally throughout three weeks worth of research and work. And I have to talk about it in five hours. And so I've been reevaluate my RSS feed readers. And so I have two picks. One is sort of a re-validation of one of my favorite iOS apps or my favorite iPad apps, reader reader, R E E D E R. It is, it's one of those apps that justifies having a really nice iPad because it will just paste in the URL or whatever, what site you want to you want to get the fee from, if there are syndication fees from it, it will find them, make it very easy to say, here there we found five feeds.

Andy Ihnatko (02:04:10):
Which ones do you wanna subscribe to? And what folders do you wanna put them in to organize them inside inside the reader makes it so easy to quickly go through like every morning I'm my eyeballs are on about 500, at least stories every morning and makes it really, really quickly to go between level one, meaning here's a headline about some sort of a business deal that I don't care about. Scroll, scroll, scroll. Oh, here's a headline about some sort of technology about a non-invasive blood pressure reading. Like I actually want to see what that's about and seeing like the first paragraph and then realize that yeah, actually that is something interesting. Then going to the actual article itself to read the entire article and then level five, which is, Ooh, this is so valuable that I want to like highlight this as something in the afternoon.

Andy Ihnatko (02:04:54):
I really want to dig down to and take notes on. And so then putting it into whatever my bookmarks manager is, whatever my pocket reader is, even exporting it as a PDF integrates with a whole bunch of other services. But on top of everything else, the it, the iOS, the iPad version works in such great harmony with the Mac version always syncing through iCloud. So it really is almost the exact through the same experience, but it is such a comfortable experience for again, in the morning I'm sitting in, I'm sitting on the sofa and I'm just tapping and scrolling, tapping, and scrolling, tapping and scrolling. I'm not yet at my sitting upright using my spine and my back muscles and actually typing and working mode. The other recommendation was I was also, I also took the event, the opportunity to look at other like web little web-based readers.

Andy Ihnatko (02:05:39):
And I kind of, I found out about IO reader, I N O R E a D E R which is an improvement on on Feedly, which was my, my current service because it has a free tier, so you can test it out very, very easily, makes it very, very easy to ingest whatever your subscriptions are from or wherever else. But I like the fact that it has a lot more powerful features for taking those 600 600 news articles in the morning and automatically like bubbling some up to the top based on search criteria, based on conditions, based on authors sending you alerts that, Hey, something just came across you. We actually wanna take a, take a look at right now. Haven't really played that much with 'em that far I've tried a couple of different things. I, I imagine that if I were using this for another couple of months, by the time we get into like June or July, a lot of the time that I spend glancing at stuff that I'm not interested in will be replaced by always having my attention focused on the really, really cool stuff.

Andy Ihnatko (02:06:38):
They, lot of different membership levels of the free tier is like a hundred feeds and not all the features for something like $20 a year. You get, they remove the ads, they give you a couple extra features. The, the, the, the premium version is the pro, which is like eight bucks a month. That that's where you get, like all these, like roll your own alerts, roll your own, like priorities, your own stuff that gets pinned to the top. I, I don't like it enough, the, the, where the only place where it kind of falls apart for me is the desktop reader, excuse me. And the device reader, aren't nearly as good as reader. Our E E R that is reader is such a beautiful, targeted to iOS targeted to touch. It's not designed to be, well, we have to have an interface that will work well on a website has to work well on all these other different targets.

Andy Ihnatko (02:07:28):
I just, I just really enjoy using readers. That's always gonna be the, the focus of my reading, but it is, it is a great tool. I think, think a lot of people forget that RSS like site education is an actual thing. And the reason why they don't like wind up spending a lot of time, just covering a lot of different sources and getting a lot of different sources from different information is because it's just so hard to manage all that sort of stuff, but it'll take you a while to get into it, but eventually with a good app, like reader, you will find yourself not getting overblown by information, but just casting a wider net and getting more treasure.

Leo Laporte (02:07:59):
Yeah, I've been actually paid subscriber to in reader ever since Google reader kind of went away because it's, it's very handy for me. I, as like you, I'm always scanning through stories. This is my tech news feed. And all I have to do is star a story and it automatically goes to our pin board. So there's, it's a very fast way to do story triage. For me, this is one of many modes. This is kind of the magazine view, but they have a lot of different views. Yeah. I think this is a I, I agree reader is much more Mac you know, more aply, but sometimes just the web, I need the web cause I use a variety of different tools. Yeah. That's,

Andy Ihnatko (02:08:38):
That's, that's, that's what disappoints me. It reader does interface with Feedly. So what I've been using, I've been, I I've, I've been trying to figure out a better way to integrate those two because I, I still, I still have a Chromebook. I still use it for a lot of stuff. There's still, and there are times where I'm just not in front of a Mac or a, or an iOS device. So I, I'm trying to make that a little bit, little bit less friction between going between those two surfaces. But like I said, the, the experience of, of reading on an iPad with reader is so good that I really, I really wanna keep that as the, the center of my

Leo Laporte (02:09:09):
Experience. Yeah. I think you're right. Absolutely. Two very good choice is thank you, Andrew, Andy and OCO is on w GB H in Boston, every week, Friday, this week,

Andy Ihnatko (02:09:19):
Friday 1230, go to WW GB H I will not be in the library, but you can always go to that site to either stream it live or listen to it later, or any of the past shows I've done every week.

Leo Laporte (02:09:31):
I H N a T K soon to be C revital

Andy Ihnatko (02:09:38):
Looking, looking, looking to install the pipeline between people's wallets and my bank account. That's, that's a long pipeline.

Alex Lindsay (02:09:45):
That's a good

Leo Laporte (02:09:47):
Pipeline. Keep that pipeline flowing. That's what we have club TWI for. Also Mr. Alex, Lindsay office is the place to go every morning and really all day long for information about, well, it's almost impossible to categorize. It started about being about streaming stuff and production, but now it's everything

Alex Lindsay (02:10:08):
It's so much. Yeah. We're just wandering around. We spent an hour on Friday, last Friday, talking about calf tape.

Leo Laporte (02:10:14):
You're kidding.

Alex Lindsay (02:10:16):
No, no. We like, if we don't think we get spent an hour talking about GA tape, someone ask, do you think you could spend an hour about cable management? I'm like, we just spent an hour talking about GAFE tape. We

Leo Laporte (02:10:24):
Can talk and the title, we

Alex Lindsay (02:10:25):
Can spend an hour talking about crafty

Leo Laporte (02:10:26):
On sticky issues.

Alex Lindsay (02:10:29):
Yeah. So, so it's, it's a, and, and, and the today we talked about iPhone actually phone, well phone, but it really became an iPhone discussion about phones in production, like how we use phones in production. Yeah. Nice. And how you can build content and rigs that we use and that type of thing. And then tomorrow we're actually talking about the app that I just showed. So the photogrammetry stuff is stuff we're gonna cover this and many other apps, this, one of the things that we're gonna talk about, but how photogrammetry really works and, and so on and so forth. And we'll have a discussion answer questions. And it's a, it's a lot

Leo Laporte (02:10:59):
Of fun office hours dot global. And you can join the conversation or just watch there's a YouTube channel, but it all starts at office hours, not global on the whip. You

Alex Lindsay (02:11:08):
Do wanna find your way to discord. Last week we had, we, we shot a concert. It was a test concert and this test stage that I have, and, and so it's got, you know, all the lights and everything else. And we had the, the woman who cuts the, the, the shows for like the live shows in the concert, you know, in, in an arena for like Metallica and Paul McCartney and others like that. And we had her calling the show from Omaha, Nebraska. So she's calling oil and, and we're, we're cutting it locally. And we've got the audio being managed from Manila and the lights being managed from Delaware. And what we let everyone do is listen to the coms. So you just listen to her, cut the show. Like, I need you to do this with the cameras. And it is a master's course on how to shoot, shoot a concert. And we didn't, I have to admit in that case, cause we don't know what we can do until we do it. So there was just like a post discord, like, Hey, by the way Marcia is Marcia's cutting. And it was kind of like the, that, you know, Morpheus is fighting Neo. Like it's suddenly the whole place just fills up, you know? And and everyone got to watch and, and listened to her. Cut, cut the show. It was amazing.

Leo Laporte (02:12:08):
Very cool. Very, very cool. Yeah. If you wanna know more office hours global and if on hire Alex oh nine I'm sure Rene Ritchie will be back next week. Youtube.Com/Rene Ritchie. I hope you will. As well. Members of club TWI can join us in our discord chat. We have our own as well. Lots of fun in there. Animated gifts galore. All you have to do is go to TWI. You also get ad free versions of all of our shows and access to the TWI plus feed, which will probably this week featuring feature the magical rising table. I believe that will. I believe we've already, we've already earmarked that for a special, special clip on our TWI plus feed club.

Andy Ihnatko (02:12:57):
The, the, the, the Oak, the, the, the Walnut veneer pipeline has exploded. The, the studio is flooding with Oak veneer. Keep your head above

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