MacBreak Weekly Episode 802 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for MacBreak Weekly. Alex, Andy and Rene are all in the house. We're gonna try to figure out what Apple might announce in the next couple of months, what they're gonna announce in the June timeframe and what they are gonna announce in the fall. Our Peerless prognosticators will give you their predictions in just a little bit. The story of the air tag that uncovered a secret German intelligence division, and what's gone wrong with iCloud sync. It's all coming up next. I'm MacBreak Weekly podcasts. You love from people you trust. This is TWiT.

Leo Laporte (00:00:37):
This is MacBreak Weekly episode 802 recorded Tuesday, January 25th, 2022. The pepper grinder Mac. This episode of MacBreak Weekly is brought to you by ITProTV. Are you looking to break into the world of it? Get the introduction you need with ITProTV, visit it pro.tv/MacBreak for an additional 30% off all consumer subscriptions for the lifetime of your active subscription. Just use the offer code MacBreak30 at checkout and by imperfect foods, imperfect foods is catching the food. That's falling through the cracks of our foods system. By sourcing quirky at delicious foods. Right now imperfect foods is offering our, our listeners 20% off your first four orders. When you go to imperfect foods.com and use the promo code MacBreak and by Melissa, the us postal service processes more than 98,000 address changes every day is your customer contact data up to date, try Melissa's APIs in the developer portal. Easy to log on, sign up and start playing in the API sandbox. 24 7 get started today with 1000 records cleaned free at melissa.com/twit it's time for MacBreak Weekly. The show we talk about the latest news from Apple. The news is next with Andy Ihnatko from GBH Boston and, and point east. Hello Andrew.

Andy Ihnatko (00:02:08):
Hello Leo.

Leo Laporte (00:02:09):
He's stock piling COVID tests. <Laugh>

Andy Ihnatko (00:02:13):
Not in case not, but, but, but not for sale profiteering. I'm I'm only, I'm only exchanging them for favors. That's totally different thing.

Leo Laporte (00:02:19):
Uh okay. <Laugh> I don't know if favors means what you think it means anyway. Rene.

Andy Ihnatko (00:02:29):
No, no, it's exactly what you think it means. It means that when I'm calling, when I, when I call an electrician to say, you know, maybe he'll come over. Maybe he won't say, well, gosh, maybe, maybe you would like the extra, an extra COVID rapid test, actually take home with you.

Leo Laporte (00:02:40):
It's like cigarettes in prison. I mean, this is the currency of the age. It's good to have. Rene Ritchie also here, youtube.com/ReneRitchie. Hello?

Rene Ritchie (00:02:50):
Not as, I'm not doing as well as Don Andy, with his bag of COVID tests.

Leo Laporte (00:02:56):
Don Andy!

Rene Ritchie (00:02:57):
Uh oh, it's on my mind. Cuz I went in for a rapid test this morning cuz Michael, our son has has it, but he's on the hope he's feeling better. He's feeling well, not much better. He sounds like he has a cold. It's all like this. I.

Rene Ritchie (00:03:11):
It's like it got everyone at the last minutely. You're like all my friends on twittter at the last minute. They're like, oh, we're.

Leo Laporte (00:03:16):
Almost made it this close Alex Lindsay's also quarantined at home, but everybody comes to him with office hours. Do global. Hello Alex. Hey, how's it going? Good to see you. Good to be you, you got the world in your studio. Basically. They come to you, you know, it's just, it's

Alex Lindsay (00:03:35):
Really well set up and it's nice. And it's the

Leo Laporte (00:03:37):
<Laugh> it's the future. You much in the future. You're like you're like JT and a blade runner. You just got like all your little <laugh> all your little friends, you know they

Alex Lindsay (00:03:49):
It's it's it. You know, when you

Leo Laporte (00:03:50):
Come in, when the studio does these office hours wake up and go good morning. Good morning. Good morning, Alex.

Alex Lindsay (00:03:55):
It is pretty much like I, I go, I get up, I get up early. I kind of read the news a little bit and, and it's somewhere between five and five 30 in the morning. I just turn on. People are already in conversation. They're all like do do do. And I just like, and sometimes I just listen for a while and I'm met. I'll just listen because I don't want to interrupt anybody. I just kind of sit in the back and then when it gets quiet, I'm like, hi everybody. And then we start talking and nice. And the whole thing's the whole thing goes until nine. It's a

Leo Laporte (00:04:16):
Lot of fun. That's really, cool's very relaxed. Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (00:04:19):
It's good. Alex, do you ever, do you ever wonder that maybe you've got a fight club thing going on here where there's actually part of your personality. That's running the show. When you think that you are asleep,

Leo Laporte (00:04:29):
It's quite in it. I have to say I've gone in there and Alex is always there. Something called Alex

Andy Ihnatko (00:04:34):
Only. They're calling you Tyler for some reason.

Leo Laporte (00:04:36):
<Laugh> Tyler dirt. There

Alex Lindsay (00:04:39):
Was funny. I, I leave it, I leave it on like radio. So I, I just listen a lot of the time. So I'll be working and I just listen to cause office hours runs of after hours runs 21 hours a day. The time that office hours isn't running. And so I just listen to after hours, like anytime I'm not in a meeting and I'm just working on things like I, I just play it in the background and then I can just jump in and say something, you know, like it's, it's, it's like listening to really cool radio by really smart people where you can actually contribute if it makes sense. And then you can go back to what you're doing. Sometimes it's only a couple words, you know? So

Leo Laporte (00:05:10):
I poor Mike as Sergeant our producer and a host of iOS today has been putting an extra hours, trying to find anything, anything to talk about our top story this week. How to clean the polishing cloth? No, no <laugh> boy can't no, no, you got two. That's the only I got that's thing. Only thing I can say can't on the show. Wait, that's how big they are. This is how big Theyre they're tiny for 19 schmucks,

Alex Lindsay (00:05:38):
But, but they're so nice. These were only 10. These were only nine 50. Oh the, the official Apple ones. No, these are them. These are the official ones. Did they have the

Leo Laporte (00:05:45):
Little Apple in Boston on it?

Alex Lindsay (00:05:47):
Yeah, right there, right there.

Leo Laporte (00:05:49):
That's how big they are.

Alex Lindsay (00:05:52):
These are, so what happened was is that I ordered like, I don't know what happened, but I ordered these. I was like, I have to know what this is. Like, you know, like I have to have a understanding of this. I can't be left out of the club here. So, so I, I ordered one an Apple the next day said there's something wrong with your shipment. We're gonna send you another one. Like just like, oh nice. We'll send you another one. Then they both showed up. So they're, you know, so anyways, so I've got extra one I'm

Leo Laporte (00:06:13):
To see, I will say, are you sure they're not $19? Cuz that's what, there's a list prices. Maybe you got a

Alex Lindsay (00:06:17):
Deal. They are, they, I bought one and they, oh, I get it. It's through some kinda chicken era just immediately. You got a Bo like it was like, there was yeah, there was like Apple, the app store. I gotta tell you the Apple store they've really figured this out. I mean, I order, I order a Mac mini and it showed up at my house and an hour and a half. It would take me longer to drive to Cordo Madera and

Leo Laporte (00:06:38):
Coing coing

Alex Lindsay (00:06:39):
Them. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Anyway,

Leo Laporte (00:06:41):
So this was just so you know, hand wash the polishing cloth with dish soap and water rinse thoroughly, then allow it to air dry for 24 hours says so right here. So there you go. Make sure you do that

Alex Lindsay (00:06:53):
Since doing little. I'm doing a little ASR.

Andy Ihnatko (00:06:57):
Is this, is this a, you know, those are twitce the performance of Android clots. <Laugh> the funniest thing is yes, but, but I'm op I'm open to wipe my mouth with it

Alex Lindsay (00:07:06):
If I want to. But if you listen, if you listen, so here's the microfiber

Leo Laporte (00:07:12):
Sounds like erod

Alex Lindsay (00:07:14):
Exactly must be different. Then

Andy Ihnatko (00:07:15):
These were hand skin by Johnny ive in a forest. Okay. They're a boreal Wonderland.

Leo Laporte (00:07:20):
I I'm honestly perturbed that. They're that small. The, the ones that come, but that's how you handle them. Leo. They're the ones that come with the XDR display. Are they that small as well? Didn't they didn't the MacBooks used to come with big, like eight, eight by eight clauses or, you know, those are under

Alex Lindsay (00:07:36):
All you need smaller is all put your, you <laugh>. I mean, you only use like a corner of it at a time. You're like, I guess it's so you

Andy Ihnatko (00:07:44):
Use them for oven Miz, Andy, sorry. Alex

Alex Lindsay (00:07:46):
Use 'em proven MIT. No, I've not used them as oven Mitz because then I would have to wash them by hand again. They, they, they don't beat me office. It's

Leo Laporte (00:07:51):
Kinda like baseball, gum baseball cards used to come with a big stick of gum. And over the years it got smaller and smaller.

Andy Ihnatko (00:07:59):
They called it gone. I D they called it. It was

Alex Lindsay (00:08:01):
What we call. Yeah, we got you. Got you. Got you got, but you still got the retro NFTs, otherwise known as the cards. Yeah, you did

Leo Laporte (00:08:08):
Get the retro in the GF of NFTs. All right. Well that's our top story. Thank you everybody. Everybody, Alex, Lindsay, buy one, get one Apple polishing clause. There is a course from mark Urman and you know, you, you always say this Rene, so I'll, I'll, I'll save you the trouble. This is Mark's speculation. Not based on information. Is that, that the non, the

Andy Ihnatko (00:08:33):
Non Bloomberg, the stuff that Bloomberg wouldn't put in the, in, if you put

Leo Laporte (00:08:36):
It as newsletter. Yeah. He deserves

Andy Ihnatko (00:08:38):
Platform. Bloomberg is super stringent. Mark on nine to five was so much fun. Mark on Bloomberg is very blue is very like big journal. Yeah. So it's I like that. He has some fun on the newsletter. Yeah. Yeah. Well ever, ever since Bloomberg announced, announced that a, a, a, a, a hostile nation had already embedded invisible tracking chips in every piece of communication equipment that nobody in America was able to find, even though they were looking for it. I, I, I hope, I, I believe that I believe they, they pursued a once burned twitce. We twitce maybe thats the new,

Leo Laporte (00:09:12):
Yeah. The new, the new chase and bloom Berg. So some of this I think is rumor. Some of it is speculation. Apple's big event, actually, first of all, he says, and this is, he thinks this is gonna be the biggest year for new products, you know, in ages for Apple 20, 22, a lot of this won't be out in the spring, but there is I think, widespread belief for good reason that Apple will have a spring event. There was no spring event in 2020 because of the pandemic, but they did release. Yeah, it got canceled. They did release MacBook errors and iPads in the March of that year. Second generation I iPhone se in April and a 13 inch MacBook pro update in may magic keyboard. Yeah. Last spring, they did have an event April 20th earth day. Remember it was air tags, M one the first M one products, including iPad pro no, no, no, this wasn't the first ones. It was the, the second generation, the iMac, the colorful IMAX. So

Speaker 4 (00:10:14):
Purple iPhones, air tag,

Leo Laporte (00:10:16):
Ours technic has put together a list of past years, April 20th, March 25th, March 27th, March 21st. I'm thinking we should see something in March, right? Rene.

Speaker 4 (00:10:29):
I mean, the sooner, the better for me, I just want, I wanna get this year started already. And I, and I, I say that is like 20, 20, like 2020 was so slow, 20, 21 and 20, 22 feel like the weeping angels from Dr. Who every time I blink a month gets closer. And if I blink again, the month gets even closer. So I'm, I'm hesitant about it going past too, going, going on too fast. But I just, I like that something will get going again. And these are not the most AUD like these aren't the most challenging of products, VR headsets and things like that are way more and dubious or, or, or way more challenging an iPhone S se with 5g. I mean, they can ship that, right. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:11:03):
On too hard. And, and there is there, there are besides speculation on Garmin's part, there seems to be some reliable reports about an iPhone 5g se the Russian,

Speaker 4 (00:11:13):
The Russian registry leaked, Russian

Leo Laporte (00:11:15):
Iphones and iPads, and the Europe in economic commission their their radio and tele phone Telegraph. I dunno, do they, are they still telegraphs? Their radio and Telegraph commission says a bunch of new iPad models we think are on the way.

Alex Lindsay (00:11:31):
Apple also, I think in, in this spring, one sometimes often thinks about education, you know, in that area, because this is when people are making final purchasing decisions for the fall. And so we could see, you know, iPads that are kind of leaning towards that. I think we could possibly see some movement in the U S D Z process that, you know, Apple's slowly rolling the U SD Z out to everything. This would be the best time if they want schools to think about it, to, to release it for, you know, something like keynote and pages and stuff like that. So so it'll be interesting to see if they do anything in the S D Z slash photogrammetry route. But they usually want to get educators excited as well as part for, for this specific event.

Leo Laporte (00:12:10):
Ours points out the iPad air hasn't been updated since late 20, 20, and not unusual for the air less. Yeah, it comes. Does is the pro typically the, the, the leader in this,

Speaker 4 (00:12:22):
The pro was every 18 months until last year when it was 12 months, but it feels like it's gonna go back to 18 months, like towards the end of the year when M two is ready, but the iPad air and the iPad mini have been you know, years here. Yeah. Two and a half years there. The mini I think was the most egregious recently, the, the baby iPad, the iPad the, well, I forget what they call it now. The ninth generation eighth generation, those have been every 12 months, every September they've had one for the last four years is just the, the middle range.

Leo Laporte (00:12:47):
Is it tied to the chip? Is it tied to the chip? Like when they have a new chip, do they have an, a, they have a 15 in the pros and the mini has an, a 15.

Speaker 4 (00:12:57):
Yeah. And it's in the mini and it's gonna go into the air this March,

Leo Laporte (00:13:00):
April that's. So that's kind of the laggard. So if you were to, if you were to see where the, the chips were and then who's got 'em and then who doesn't, then that would be the next one, which is, well, I think

Speaker 4 (00:13:10):
Like the mini was really popular for a while. And then like, it led, I phones iPad sales for a while enough that it actually destabilized the larger iPads, but then when the phones got bigger, people started choosing bigger phones over smaller iPads and going back to the larger size iPads. And we got the pros and the movement went back in that direction. And I think the mini was just on the back burner, like Apple, Apple has a small teams approach where they have limited bandwidth for a certain amount of products every year. And the mini just fell lower, lower on that list. Like what the Mac mini does, unfortunately. So often it's not the most, it's one of the least popular of those

Leo Laporte (00:13:40):
Products. Geez. You think the Mac mini be more popular? Honestly.

Alex Lindsay (00:13:44):
It's I think that the M one has changed the Mac. The M one has changed the Mac mini completely. Like it, it is it's different.

Leo Laporte (00:13:51):
It is potentially could be, I mean, with a high end M one with an M one X could be the real, see, I, I mean, it's a, it's

Alex Lindsay (00:13:57):
Very powerful desktop with M one max, right? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:14:00):
It's just that desktops. Aren't that popular Apples. That's the problem consumer. Yeah. Mainstream consumer laptops, especially the air when

Leo Laporte (00:14:08):
The mini Mac mini was first announced. It was, the idea was if you're a developer and you're in windows, you could, you know, kind inexpensively. Cause it was about 500 bucks test. Yeah. And developed for the Mac. You just put, in fact, I think they even like showed it sitting on a PC tower <laugh> yeah. Like it would be very easy for you to just have that that's those days nobody's doing that, or is, well,

Speaker 4 (00:14:30):
We're supposed to get the pro version of that this spring too. Like we're supposed to gets Mac mini with the M one max. That's what the one on this would be a hell of a machine.

Alex Lindsay (00:14:37):
Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm doing I'm. It used to be, we used to, I mean, I've at any given time had a lot of Mac minis cause we use 'em for glue, like, oh, I need a little thing to do this, or I need a little thing to do that. I'm now using them for playback systems to resolve cinema 40 final cut motion. Like all of those things are working on the Mac mini because I have the M one and that's even with, does that lower or

Leo Laporte (00:14:57):
16 gig? Does that lay lower and M one have the pro R playback

Alex Lindsay (00:15:00):
Chip? No, no, no. So the hardest part for me has been waiting for that because I don't need a laptop anymore. I don't travel enough to make that worth it. And so, so I have, I have lots laptops you're I don't need a new one.

Leo Laporte (00:15:11):
You're going in the other direction.

Alex Lindsay (00:15:13):
Do you think that's a lot of people are pros. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of us there's just more and more people. I mean that are going to work virtually they're working, you know, they're working on those things for, so why have a laptop

Leo Laporte (00:15:23):
Or, you know, maybe have an, a air MacBook air and have a, something more powerful with the desktop.

Alex Lindsay (00:15:30):
It's just the pro price. It's so inexpensive and so powerful that if we get, if we get a Mac Mac mini with a max that's at 9 99, it would be, you know, you just get so much power and so much connectivity on the back end. You have ethernet cables. <Laugh> you have H DMI and BCS and SBAs and you know, all of those things are all there for you. And then it's nice compact, you know, it doesn't take up your desk space, you know, as well. So, well, let me ask, it's just an amazing little box.

Leo Laporte (00:15:58):
All three of you are Peerless prognosticators, Mac mini this spring, iMac 30 inch this spring, or this fall Rene spring or fall. What I'm putting on the he's doing the Carnac <laugh>

Andy Ihnatko (00:16:11):
This,

Speaker 4 (00:16:12):
I think, I think we'll get the iPhone se we'll get the iPad air, we'll get the Mac mini. And then I would love to get the, I think it's 27 inch iMac is what they've fallen on, but it's, and their, the latest rumor is that it's gonna have a 12 core version of the M one max chip set available at the ultra high end, instead of a two dive version. It'll just have extra, extra performance core, which will, you know, help some pro workloads. But it sounds like that is less certain, like whether that'll be ready and time is less certain. So I'm gonna leave that as my bonus round

Leo Laporte (00:16:40):
Bonus is chip shortage, somewhat of a issue still, does it make it somewhat it's it's not so much

Speaker 4 (00:16:44):
A shortage is that there's like the shortage is always on the legacy nodes. It's like, that's why cars are such a trouble. It's like on the big nano meter processes, Apple pays so much money and buy so much in advance that it's just, and they're the only, they ship more premium devices than the next, I dunno, three or four big companies combined. So they have unlimited, unlimited use of that node. But just that note itself is limited. And Apple has to prioritize like the iPhones are getting chips first. Right. And then when like, and then like things fall down in stack behind the iPhone. Well, good news, cuz

Leo Laporte (00:17:12):
It's on that process. Big plant in Ohio in a couple of years, they'll be making Apple chips

Speaker 4 (00:17:17):
And TSMC though. They're going all in on TSMC until they do that. So they're gonna make TSMC even bigger to compete with

Leo Laporte (00:17:22):
A couple years. Yeah. We'll talk about that. I read be Thompson's article. It was very interesting. Andy and ACO, Peerless prognosticator. <Laugh>

Andy Ihnatko (00:17:31):
I, I would, I'd be shocked if there weren't a new Mac mini in the next couple. Oh good. Because one of the things that we're looking at is that remember that Apple said that the transition to M one, the, the transition to Apple Silicon would be complete in two years. So that means that by the end of this year, they're, they should at least announce new Mac pros. We haven't heard anything about what a new Mac pro with Apple Silicon is gonna look like. So you would think that you'd, we would've heard something by now if they were gonna be doing something in March or April and it would make sense for them to say all the people who are kind of hot and bothered to get a, get in a, to get a Mac many let's get their money first and then let's, but let's not, if we don't the macro early

Leo Laporte (00:18:13):
Release with a mini.

Andy Ihnatko (00:18:14):
Yeah, exactly. And so it, it would be, I mean, it would be awesome if the idea of a, if, if it were difficult to choose between a high end Mac mini with Apple Silicon and a low end Mac pro with Apple Silicon, but that's the reason why I'm gonna wait until the end year before I make a desktop purchase. Yeah. But yeah. Mac mini, I think for sure. Cause that little

Leo Laporte (00:18:32):
Cheese grater looks so cute. <Laugh>, that'd be so cute. Well, you want the PCI slots, right? I mean, that's gonna be the big, hopefully that'll be the

Andy Ihnatko (00:18:38):
Big, you know, I think, I think, I think they're gonna go for, for a hybrid design between like the, the linical tower and the cheese Gras gonna be the pepper grinder. <Laugh> MacPro

Leo Laporte (00:18:50):
<Laugh> okay.

Andy Ihnatko (00:18:52):
And can't innovate my butt and Mac

Leo Laporte (00:18:54):
Pro. I think we, Rene mentioned this last week, but it seems like they might preview that in June for release in the end of the year. Yeah. That we might see some details anyway, by they did the last two times they've got to because we're, you know, developers need this Leo, they need this we've a long three years. We need this Alex Lindsay, your Peerless prognostication.

Alex Lindsay (00:19:16):
I think that the se and the, and the iPad have a lot of possibilities. I think though those are pretty core. Do they put the Mac mini out in the spring or in June I think is the question or, you know, they may roll out a lot of hardware in June and not as much in the spring. So that, that might be one thing to kind of track. And then the other things that we're gonna be tracking, what do they talk about with education? Education is explosive right now. Just because there's so much movement. So there's a lot of, lot of people paying attention to education at the moment from, from a business perspective. And then the other thing is whether unity shows up on, on the, you know, stage. So you know, unity is finished, it's purchase of Weta. They just bought some more stuff this week. And it'll be interesting to see if Apple includes them as, and that will be kind of the, the, the solution, the final movement from epic <laugh>, you know, into something new is unity actually being on stage. And that's gonna be, you know, a lot of, I think a lot of folks in my world or paying attention to whether Apple really starts to embrace unity or whether they just stay neutral and we'll, we'll find out in a monitor,

Leo Laporte (00:20:18):
Well, they're not exactly neutral <laugh>

Alex Lindsay (00:20:20):
Because, well, they're not, but what they, what we haven't seen, we, we we've seen not, not get along with unity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We haven't seen a lot of unity on, on stage and that's, that's the thing is that, but unity now bought we a digital you know, they, they really ought, you know, buying up, Unity's buying up like a technology. I think it's a dub dub thing, but I, but they, for a while, they were showing epic, every single show, every single keynote epic was showing up. Yeah. So the fact that they're not, I think, has been, I think that nothing that's showing up is a, is a function of Apple re gearing. They used to

Leo Laporte (00:20:52):
Show an epic cab every, every time and Pokemon goal uses unity. So they could just go back to that. <Laugh>, that's fine. It's interesting because the gaming world is now rapidly changing, thanks to Microsoft's intended acquisition act, vision blizzard, putting them really in a sweet spot also for mobile gaming because there's call duty mobile. They got, they get king with that, which is candy crush. And I, I wonder if gonna ignore it and say, okay, fine. We're doing fine. We don't need to worry about it. Or if they're gonna try to push, well, they crush that's core Apple's business. Yeah. I think money for Apple. Is it <laugh>? Yeah. Right now there's make so much money. I think that's why Microsoft's paid so much money. Part of the reason, many, many reasons to do it, but getting into mobile in a strong way is good for Microsoft.

Alex Lindsay (00:21:44):
Go ahead, Alex. Well, and also getting into NFTs and you know, that type of thing, you know, these, these games all have things that are digital assets that they game pay attention to. Yeah. In game purchase is something that I think a lot of people are really interested in. I think that, oh, there's a lot of

Leo Laporte (00:21:56):
Reasons why this makes sense. If we wanted to talk about it eSports, a cloud, I mean, on and on and on in fact it's good for Mac. It's good for Mac. And I guess I, in some too, because because of Microsoft's game pass and cloud-based gaming business you'll be able to play in the safari. So it's good for that too. I mean,

Alex Lindsay (00:22:18):
If you look at, if you look at Microsoft's purchasing over the last five years or, or, you know, five or five years or so, it's been amazing. Like they, their very acquisition very well, very or big, big purchases, like big, yeah. Big buys. They they've, you LinkedIn and yeah. Like just so many things that are really putting together a very, very complex. And it's something that I think that is one of Apple's weaknesses is that they don't, they don't acquire more. Now

Leo Laporte (00:22:44):
They do a lot of, they don't like that. They do do they've. They don't like they don't do large cultural. It's difficult culturally for them. Yeah. That's why they don't do big ones. They do hires more.

Alex Lindsay (00:22:54):
Well, they do a lot of acquisitions in the sub 500 million, you know, like there's, there's a lot that happens down there, but not, they don't get into the, the very few, once you go over a billion, there's very few that Apple, Apple acquires. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:23:05):
This Microsoft's acquisition is nearly 70 billion. If nearly, if you, if you can ignore 1.3 billion <laugh> yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:23:13):
And you know, kids wanted

Leo Laporte (00:23:15):
69. That was exactly number that they totally skipped. I mean, but this is the game of deal. Huge, huge. But I

Alex Lindsay (00:23:20):
Mean, we're charging most people, 72, but we're going to 70, 69

Leo Laporte (00:23:23):
For you. The, the fact that E as big as that is big as acquisition ever, a month's worth of revenue for Microsoft, half of their cash position. And there's still, and it still looks like a good business deal. It tells great business. I think it is good. And as they're happy to tell regulators, they're still smaller than Sony and they're still number three. <Laugh> right after 10 sentence Sony. Yep. Right. So I think there seems some consensus that we will see some very interesting things. March, April, we may see, we need your picks. Leo. We need your P oh, you didn't me. I'm not a Peerless P pro. I'm asking you I'm merely your host. <Laugh> <laugh>. I can tell you what I hope I, the sooner, the better for a Mac mini cuz I would love to see a high end M one max Mac mini with 32 gigs or better even 64 gigs of Ram. That would be a one, one. I don't even need one. I'm not gonna buy one. I don't need one. I'm gonna buy one. Exactly. No. Yeah. That's so excited. I got a 55 inch O lead display, just waiting, just waiting to plug

Andy Ihnatko (00:24:20):
Into it. You know, that's that, that that's hits the head of a, with the Mac mini it's. It's not, so it's not E even all about the power. It's about the, be the ability to use the accessories you want have the layout you want. Exactly. But for me, it really is about, I want a, I want a triple screen set up. I want three identical screens. And like, and if I, in the near future, I buy a huge like Samsung curve display, which is I keep Luing after. Like that's, that's the sort of thing I wanna be able to do. You, I don't want to hit these limitations of, of this was designed to be sort of a laptop in a box. So you can hit one or two screens with it and try not to get more than this much of ethernet traffic, because it doesn't like that. This is the sort of stuff we want this. This is, this is, this is what we'll define the difference between again, entry level back pro super, super Matt out Mac mini.

Leo Laporte (00:25:07):
Are we just weird? Because you just said Alex and I think you're right. Nobody buys desktops anymore at all. Four. All four of us. Maybe not you Alex. Well, no, not right. We're all looking at desktops again. We're not normally over. We're not normal. That's all.

Andy Ihnatko (00:25:19):
Yeah, we're purely. I'll just, I'm sorry, go ahead,

Leo Laporte (00:25:22):
Please. Go ahead.

Andy Ihnatko (00:25:24):
I'll all I wanna say is go, oh, go. Good. Good, good. I think I, I, I think that I, I have something very quick to say. So I do think that that that's one of the things that delineates the differences between the Mac market and the PC market that the PC market is heavily, heavily, heavily desktops. Whereas the Mac market, it's nice. It's a big chunk of it, but it doesn't define the, the space. So I think that that's, that doesn't, that doesn't define a worldwide trend. It defines one of the differences between Mac markets and PC markets.

Leo Laporte (00:25:51):
I think we'll definitely see an a 15 iPhone S se 5g. That's pretty obvious. That's in March iPad air. That's pretty obvious that's in March. I agree with all you guys. The real question, the only real question mark is what are we gonna see with M one? What we see something in my arch. I'm thinking not I'm thinking now they're gonna hold off till June, do the well, but then they don't want the mini to overlap at any way, even with a preview of the Mac pro. So that's where the mini, I think comes out this spring, the mini up the Mac pro gets previewed. I'm trying to the iMac and the Mac pro are different

Speaker 4 (00:26:25):
In kind. So those can like, they've done that before 2017, which we got the, the iMac pro and then we got the, you know, it's just, it works. It works

Leo Laporte (00:26:32):
Leo. I'm just trying to suppress my dis not, not mingle my desire for a minute to come out in March or April, March. <Laugh> I think with, with, with the actual facts of the matter, I

Alex Lindsay (00:26:43):
Think the Mac pro's gonna, I don't think we're gonna hear about it until October. Really?

Leo Laporte (00:26:46):
Not even a preview in June. Well,

Alex Lindsay (00:26:48):
It wouldn't be, I don't think so. Yeah. They have so much to release. They have so much to release have, so they have so many things that to, to, to release. There's no reason to, and IM announce something.

Leo Laporte (00:26:58):
That's not gonna come out. I Mack pro in June Mac mini in, how about this mark Mac mini I'm Mac pro June, October, let us

Speaker 4 (00:27:06):
Organize it. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:27:08):
Let us

Alex Lindsay (00:27:08):
Do it, do it. We're

Leo Laporte (00:27:10):
The big piece we're missing is we have no idea where any of these products stand, whether they're ready. Yes. They can get the chips. We have details

Alex Lindsay (00:27:17):
Where they're gonna present from, I mean, are they gonna do it from San Diego or are they gonna do it from Monterey or they, they were

Leo Laporte (00:27:22):
Rotate, but then they stop in the last one. They didn't, I was really hoping they'd like, do the world next. You know, they're pretty committed

Alex Lindsay (00:27:28):
To California. Depends

Leo Laporte (00:27:29):
How long this all goes on. Oh, it's only a matter of time before the great wall. If the

Speaker 4 (00:27:34):
Pandemic lasts another two years, they'll be on the great wall. So fast

Leo Laporte (00:27:37):
<Laugh> Meow. 

Speaker 4 (00:27:40):
Just adds a little bit of context to this. I was, I was having a conversation once one of the people on, on Apple's teams and talking about external displays, you know, cause I, I really want Apple to go back to making an affordable, external display. And just like the numbers I got for how many, like if I ask on twittter, 95% of people will say like external displays and external display support is the biggest thing that they want in iPad. OS if they on the Mac, many, all of these things, the, the amount of people who actually use external displays on, on iOS is low single digits. And on Macs, it's like mid teens. So like the, the difference between like our tech world and what mainstream people do, who just open up their MacBook air and type in the coffee shop, vastly different worlds. And I think we get shuffled in behind those big products. So they have like theirs, but

Alex Lindsay (00:28:24):
A year I'm down to seven. I mean I'm down to seven screens. So I feel, I feel very proud.

Leo Laporte (00:28:29):
Yes, Lisa, so iMac. So Lisa's iMac, superannuated, it's really time to get at home. It's time to get her new one. And she has it paired with that screen that you want Andy, the 49 inch curved wide screen. It's really kind of UN gainly as she that's how she likes to do it though. And I'm, and I just told her, we get you a mini, you can have 2 49 inches splice <laugh> yeah. And go all the way around you.

Speaker 4 (00:28:53):
You could have NASA like yeah. I saw,

Andy Ihnatko (00:28:57):
I, I saw someone with a setup where it was two of those screens stacked on top of each other with a webcam in the middle. And I'm like

Alex Lindsay (00:29:04):
Aspirational.

Leo Laporte (00:29:05):
That's big. Basically what I have Samsung one with the 50, the 55 inch is 2 49 stack, but there's no bezel. It's just, it's the size of 2 49 S one on top of the other. It's great. You don't have the big curved gamer display. I don't have a game. I don't have a curve. Just like a giant TV.

Alex Lindsay (00:29:19):
I'm yeah. I'm a big fan of 20 fours because I just put more of 'em up. Yeah. <Laugh> you know, like I just a little, a little modular it's like

Leo Laporte (00:29:27):
Legos. Have these feelings. Cause the visuals help with organization. Cuz with that big display, there's just windows everywhere. Floating around.

Alex Lindsay (00:29:34):
I think that's yeah. I mean, for me it's like with synergy, you I'm just like, I just drag my mouth over. You have different

Leo Laporte (00:29:39):
Computers and all those

Alex Lindsay (00:29:40):
Displays. Oh yeah, yeah. I'm I have like, I have a bunch of different, I have like, you

Leo Laporte (00:29:44):
Know, four, four computers and is Apples synergy not still not

Alex Lindsay (00:29:48):
Out. Right. I have it on I'm using synergy now. No, no Apple version universal control university. Oh no, no. But, but the problem for me is that I'm universal control I think is really it's I'm mixing and matching a lot of stuff so that it's not, you

Leo Laporte (00:30:00):
Want windows and yeah, yeah. No I've used synergy for years.

Alex Lindsay (00:30:03):
Yeah. I know. It's really, I learned it from you.

Leo Laporte (00:30:05):
<Laugh> I'm glad they still make it. I mean, I, I feel like it's kind of always,

Alex Lindsay (00:30:09):
It's gotten, it's gotten better and better actually. It, yeah. It's really smooth. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:30:14):
It's it's going over the network, which is yeah. Really weird.

Andy Ihnatko (00:30:20):
Yeah. No, I, I, I, I love, I actually have like four the identical like Dell mid range monitors cuz 24 inch monitors. Cause I'm I'm I'm with you, Alex. The only thing is I just don't wanna look like a day trader when people come in

Leo Laporte (00:30:33):
<Laugh> no, you do. Do you say diamond hand, diamond hand stock to the, to the, to the Berg terminal they're buying themselves sell they're selling the bye. Bye synergy is from now from SIM less S Y M L E ss.com. And the nice thing is this cross platform. I didn't, I didn't see this works on a raspberry pie too. So you could have one of those screens could be, you know, you could move it over to the little pie screen. So yeah, that's a, that's a really good solution. I agree with you, Alex. I'm glad to know it's still working for you. I still

Alex Lindsay (00:31:04):
Have a, I still have a KVM just in case every once in a while energy comes up and it doesn't really sink. Right. And you have to go in and touch something. Yeah. So, so I still have the KVM in the system, but, but I but I just generally use,

Leo Laporte (00:31:16):
Now I'm gonna throw monkey wrench into all of our carefully laid prognostications. What about at some point this year, Apple is supposed to announce a VR headset. When do they, where do they, I really

Alex Lindsay (00:31:30):
Thought about it. I think, I think we maybe a little early, I think we maybe be a year early year, 15 months early. I think. I mean, I think that I think it might take more time. I think it could come out. It'll come out in at WWC. So it'll either, we'll either see it in June or we'll see it the next June. I think that it's definitely within one, you know, within this year or next year, but I'm not sure. If they're, if they're really ready to do it, there's a bunch of things. Again, there's a bunch of parts of that runway that they still need to construct like a wider solution. So one of the problems with AR is not just the AR it's creating the content for AR and a lot of us deal with this of all the, it's still a pretty rough system to build the content that you will see.

Alex Lindsay (00:32:09):
It's fine for people to buy all these things, but they have to have something to do with them. And so, and right now most of the 3d software programs don't really do U S D Z very well, and that's a core piece of AR working. And so I think that could be a chance that in addition to hardware and other things that they're sorting out that having a little bit more runway into 2023 would allow them to kind of fill out that and really where that would happen again is putting U SD Z into the office apps. Because what it'll do is it'll drive demand for the, for the geometry. And then that builds this huge area. All that stuff will be available. The millions of models will be available in 15 months if they put it into keynote.

Andy Ihnatko (00:32:50):
Yeah. I, I think that I, I, I agree. I, I wouldn't necessarily say that I wouldn't put money on them not releasing something or sh off something in 2022, but I don't think it's imminent. I don't think there's any rush for Apple to get involved in this. I think that the earliest, we would see something is a developer announcement at WWDC and not availability to consumers for quite a while. After that, I, I, I, I keep thinking that I can't see this happening other than Apple releases, super expensive headset that is really attended just for developers and just for researchers to, to, to lay, to lay the ground because this is, remember they are, they're not, they're, they're gonna go for something a lot more ambitious than what Oculus is doing right now. Meaning here is a blank canvas developers by all means, put your games P put your VR experiences here.

Andy Ihnatko (00:33:41):
I really think that they're gonna want to come up with a paradigm for virtual reality computing. And this is gonna be a lot like how, what is the language going to be? What is the interface going to be? How do you switch between apps without making people feel as though they're being thrown into a ditch? And I think that that's gonna take a lot of time and they, they might even go as far as to make, do sort of an OS 10 sort of release. If you remember how that one rolled out, where they, it was a public thing, they couldn't hide it. It was a public beta first. And then it was 3, 4, 5 additions before. Yes. You could print. Yes. You could access, you could access file volumes. Yes. It, it was basically stable. Yes. We're, we're done messing around with the interface now MES 10.4 or 10.5.

Andy Ihnatko (00:34:23):
Maybe this is finally the, we had to build this thing from the ground up and now we're done building, it took us two or three years. So yeah, I, I, I hope that Apple is looking forward to creating like the next 30 billion of app store revenue. They're not just trying to sell hardware that really it's like an, it's like an Oculus only 10, 10 times more expensive, but you get a much better, much better frame rate, much better resolution. They really need to, if they, they really need to wait until they can emphatically create an Apple device, not just a, a, an also ran device.

Alex Lindsay (00:34:56):
Yeah, I think that they, I think there's a clear understanding of why it's taking so long is that there's a clear understanding that it has to come the, the launch just to go perfectly. Yeah. You know, cause everyone's already failed so many times <laugh>. Yeah. And so I think that that is gonna be a real key piece. And if, if they really do hit 60 or 120 frames per second, at eight K per eye, it's gonna be, I mean, it, it, that those kinds of frame rates and resolutions are completely different experience than anyone has seen by any other headset. So it'll be really interesting to see if they're able to actually pull that off.

Andy Ihnatko (00:35:24):
Yeah. It's still gonna be very difficult though, because I, I, Apple, I think has done one of my biggest complaints about Apple historically is almost inoperative at this point where they used to five as late as five years ago, their motto seemed to be go, go be poor someplace else that it would be, it would be a missed opportunity if they decided to create an aspirational piece of technology, a brand new paradigm for people who can afford to spend $3,000 on a pair of miracle goggles. The, of, I think the Apple watch the big, the biggest thing they ever did with it was to F figure out a way to manufacture it. So that's competitive, not just with other other other watches, but other fitness level things, not just here is a here's, Garmin's $500 GPS driven of a smart watch.

Andy Ihnatko (00:36:12):
Here is a hundred dollars band. Here's $150 band. Here's $180 band to the, a color screen. And Apple is competing very, very well with that. They're making phones that compete extremely well with Android space, which is a hell of a thing, a hell of an accomplishment. So I, I would be, I would be very, I would very pleased to see them come out with first, a version of AR VR that really, really works well. And emphatically states. Here's why this thing is not just a mindless gadget would be not completely satisfied until two or three years later when they come out with the version, the air <laugh> the $400, $500 version where it is conceivable vision at most. Yeah, exactly. <Laugh>

Alex Lindsay (00:36:50):
Right. I think that the, the, the problem is to do it the way at the resolution and, and the market for reasonably good headset is pretty, desaturated at $300 <laugh>. And so the, the issue is, is that, is that with the quests and with the, and those are really good, it's, it's really hard for them to distinguish themselves there. I think that the, my guess is the first headset will be somewhere between two and $3,000. And if, if they, if Apple makes a headset under a thousand dollars, I'd be blown away. I just don't think that they can distinguish themselves from the, the, the stuff that's already there. And I think that that's what they're gonna want to do. And so I, I think that this is that's my guess is that it's not gonna ever go below a thousand, you know, I'd be blown away if they did. I mean, they that'd be kudos to them, but I think that they're not gonna be able to do the low frame rate or the, I mean, and so I think it's gonna be one to 3000 is probably the range forever. You, you got,

Andy Ihnatko (00:37:35):
I have a guess. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Very quick. You, you, you gotta be thinking about how, what in the lead up for the, the launch of the iPad, nobody thought, oh, $999 cheapest. And then when they broke that by $400, that was the gasp in the room. So always prepared to be surprised. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> yeah, go ahead, Rene.

Speaker 4 (00:37:53):
Yeah. I was just gonna add that Apple typically introduces products that they, that are higher more the premium category, because that lets them put tech technology in the market. They couldn't afford to otherwise and then pay it down. And as they pay it down, they push it down to lower end products, but it was a great vice article. I think it was today or yesterday that was showing Apple compared to Android phones. And when you look at an iPhone, even a thousand dollars iPhone that gets software updates for five years has a chip set that can last five years, the cost of owning, it ends up being like a hundred something bucks a where the cost of much cheaper phones can be 200, $300 a year, cuz they only last you three years. So I think that's, that's how they get, they provide value to the premium market. But then also use that as a way to drive costs down, to have a more mainstream product, cuz they won't make money just selling premium headsets. That's not a, and I scalable business for them.

Alex Lindsay (00:38:36):
And I think it's less about recouping. I think there was some articles that it might have been from Mr. Durman about them trying to recoup all their R and D and I don't think that's really the point. I think that for Apple, the, the rejection rate is so high on some of these on, on Apple products. Yeah. I mean there was some point, you know, so that what happens is when it first comes out, it's, you know, they're just trying to figure out how to actually produce it. And so it gets really expensive because they're actually turn throwing away, turning recycling, all of these parts that aren't coming out as good at, at to the level at what Apple expects. And so I, I think I heard a there was a point where the, the track pad, the new track pad that Apple had designed the return rate in the factory was 40%. Yeah, yeah. You know, like it was and, and so it was, you know, and that's the, those are the kind of things that I think that's why these start pretty expensive is just that they're make they're so inefficient about it. And then they get more efficient 

Leo Laporte (00:39:29):
GRS piece last week in Bloomberg said it would be delayed probably even as, as into next year. It was originally targeted for WWDC in June, followed by a release later in the year. But development challenges, I'm quoting Garmin's Bloomberg piece, but development challenges related to overheating cameras and software have made it harder to stay on tracks at the people who ask not to be identified because the matter is private that could push the announce. And until the end of 20, 22 or later with the products hitting the shells by 23, I

Alex Lindsay (00:40:02):
Don't, I don't see any, if it, if we don't see it in June, we're not gonna see it until the next June. Like it's you have to, you have to release it for developers, tele for conference. Yeah. And I,

Leo Laporte (00:40:10):
And there's no hurry. Let's get it right. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (00:40:14):
When absolutely when the Apple watch was first announced there was before, before it came out, like, again, none of this happened with the iPhone. Nothing was like, oh, there's a fierce battle between P one and P two, Steve scratched the screen develop like, like all this drama happened, but it just wasn't widely reported. But by the time of the Apple watch, it started to be, and it was like, oh, the battery life isn't long enough. Apple's not able to do, they're not meeting their deadlines on this. And then Apple announced it. And it was, they announced it in September and it came out the following March and that gave them six months of sort of buffer to get it out. And I'm sure they're gonna have, we're gonna have reports like this up until they announced it. And then after that, we're gonna see the, the first version is not gonna be good. Like it's not gonna be great. It's gonna be like the original iPad, the original Apple watch. And then version two is gonna be way, way better. The way the iPhone 3g at 3g was iPad. Two was, and the second Apple watch was,

Andy Ihnatko (00:41:00):
Yeah, mm-hmm, <affirmative>, I, I think they're gonna have to really manage expectations if, if, if I'm right in my, what I see as the roadmap for this product and that they decide that we're gonna have an, we're not gonna care so much about the expense. We're going to be putting this in the hands of people who wanna write software for the next generation of stuff. So as they say that, look, we are not pretending that this is going to be, there's gonna be a classroom full of classrooms full of 20 to 30 students each with an Apple VR headset on that the, we are, this is the first generation of stuff that's still experimental. They, even, if they were to say, this is a hardware beta you are participating in a program, you have to be a, you have to be a registered Apple developer in order to even order these. I, it's not, it's not so much that it would give them extra room for making mistakes, but it would also tamp on expectations. So people would, you would see all these YouTube videos of these wonderful experiences and people would have these hands on experiences, one on one with these things, but they would not be thinking, oh my God, 3000, $3,000. And I can't even, I can't even like side load my own, my own MP four file to watch my own movies on the thing. What are they even thinking?

Alex Lindsay (00:42:04):
Well, and I, and I do think that the at $3,000 they'll sell as many as they can make. <Laugh>, you know, it's, it's, you know, it'll just be as many as they can push out, the people will buy and they'll become developers just to buy in, you know, be Apple kind,

Speaker 4 (00:42:17):
Demand, Apple fan Casper. The other, the other thing is that this is not a, this is like an Apple TV and the glasses are gonna be like an Apple watch. Neither of these are an iPhone or a Mac. They're not gonna be large scale developer platforms. Like they're gonna be very focused, like, like the VR is gonna be very focused on entertainment and experiences. This same way the Apple TV is. And the glass is gonna be very focused on convenience and notification and glanceable data, the way the watch is. And neither of those are anywhere, nearly the size of the developer platforms that the iPhone or the Mac is.

Leo Laporte (00:42:43):
Yeah. It's, it's, there've not been a lot of apps developed exclusively for the watch,

Speaker 4 (00:42:49):
But because the watch is like a two second experience. Yeah. Like you, and it's hard to develop for a two second experie

Alex Lindsay (00:42:54):
And we can't design the watch face. Like the watch face would be a huge market and right. We're not allowed to design for the watch face

Speaker 4 (00:43:02):
It. You're still stuck in WatchKit and Apple uses you like it. So let's take a little break. Glass is gonna be worse. They're not gonna let you have you like it on the glasses. You think they are. If you have a bridge, sell you yeah.

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Leo Laporte (00:47:09):
So Apple is trying to deal with the you know, a unfortunate backlash over air tags. They have now launched a new, personal safety user guide. What you need to know about device and data access when your personal safety is a risk. If you have time to read this before you get mugged good <laugh> but

Speaker 4 (00:47:34):
You, but, well, one of the other, I mean, like we, we've heard a lot about the stocking issues with air tags. And once again, just point out on <inaudible> that people are discovering these because of Apple system, like, like air tags are the dumbest way, right? Yet to track somebody use a use a galaxy tag, use a tile, use a GPS kit. But the other problem that people have is like, there's some people who are really angry that the theft protection isn't stronger. And that was a deliberate choice by Apple. Like these are not, these are supposed to be find my lost stuff. Not, not track somebody, not stalk somebody, but also not track down your stolen stuff. There is a huge problem and it's not new of these hero complexes. Well, where people get something stolen and then they track them down, get killed or hurt in a secondary encounter. So it would've been just like, it's just stuff. It's your w it is just like we, we saw like, we, we there's there's headlines this week too, about people using it to recover trucks and recover all this stuff. Leave that to the professionals, please. Yeah. Like your life is way more, more important than any bubble that you might have attached in air tag.

Leo Laporte (00:48:32):
It's unfortunate that Apple's gotten so much attention cuz as you, as you point out, the reason people know they have air taxes cause of all the safety features Apples put into it, there have always been ways to track you better than more accurate, more invisible than what an air tag is. So I don't think this is an UN an new problem and I don't think it's a problem unique to Apple by any means, but good on them. The personal safety guide actually yeah. Is timely because it's, it's much more than just air tags. It is, it is you know, safety and privacy tools. How not to get fished you know some really important stuff that I know no one will read, set up to factor authentication, set up an account, recovery contact, you know, block calls and messages. It'd be nice if you could just get, you know, everybody in your family to read this before they bug you, we just have a Clippy,

Speaker 4 (00:49:23):
An Apple privacy Clippy that pops up on your device and walks you through half stuff because it's so non-obvious most of these features. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:49:31):
Just read the whole darn thing they do at the end, which is good. They have checklists. So you can kind of maybe that's a good way to get people into it. How to, what to do. If you think someone may have access to your device or accounts, I get a call almost every week, usually from a woman with a, you know, bad acts who's being talked, you know maybe he got into their phone and is still in their phone. Things like that. This is really good advice. I guess. Now I have somewhere. I can send people how to stop sharing your location with people and apps you previously shared with down the same lines, I think and how to stop sharing with somebody. Let's see that's the same. Isn't it? Wait a minute. How to stop sharing your location, ah, with people in apps you previously shared with and then how to stop sharing with someone you previously shared with, I guess, sharing other stuff. I, I hope they beef this up. You can download as a PDF, but it's also an Apple support page. I think if you search for personal safety users guide user guide Apple, you'd find it pretty quickly. Good idea. Apple let's let's enhance it though. There should be more here and send it to all your friends and family. That should be

Andy Ihnatko (00:50:44):
A living document. Yeah, it'd be, it'd be nice if it, if it were even part of a, if it were available on iBooks as

Leo Laporte (00:50:49):
Something you could just simply download there's a PDF so you could download it and put it into iBooks. Absolutely. Yeah. That's a, that's a good, good idea. They offer it direct link to a PDF. Apparently there's a problem with cloud syncing. There has been since day one since mobile me since, since

Speaker 4 (00:51:09):
Mobile, me and the flame, Steve Jobs's flame thrower,

Leo Laporte (00:51:10):
Steve Jobs's flame thrower. <Laugh> this is from yesterday's nine to five Mac iCloud syncing issues are plaguing third party apps as Apple stays silent.

Speaker 4 (00:51:24):
This is a pitch you on something Leo. Yes, I have this idea. So I, I spent any amount of time that you spend on slash you know, slash R slash Android or slash R slash Apple is, is too much in many, many ways, but I was just going over the list of persistent bugs that exist in Android and iOS, things that like DS on pixels and iCloud syncing issues, things that just go on and on and on for like an unbeliev amount of time. We need a project Z for annoying persistent iOS and Android bugs. Like just some, someone at Google who goes through and documents these. And if you don't fix 'em in 30 days, they nasty blog you all over the internet. There's a

Leo Laporte (00:51:59):
Regular that like there's a regular post on slash R slash Android slash R slash pixel six saying, guys, Google may not be reading this. You probably should put it on their bug tracker. <Laugh> you know, like they have a place to tell you Google about this stuff. Not Reddit.

Speaker 4 (00:52:14):
I keep filing. I keep filing every week. I just file away.

Leo Laporte (00:52:17):
But I agree that, you know, there's a, there's a they call it responsible disclosure. There's a clock that starts ticking. When you disclose a security vulnerability, why isn't there a clock that starts ticking when you disclose a stop and bug, or

Speaker 4 (00:52:30):
Even just anyway, show stoppers because like, yeah, annoyances like frustrations are the thousand cuts. Like yes, a crasher is bad, but like Apple and Google are really good at checking their metrics on Crashers. They, they check all the time, but the frustrat are the ones that really wear you down over time. Just a, like, I, you try to search for an app in spotlight. You don't get the, and you know, the app is there and it doesn't up. And spotlight's been around since like what iOS three or something. It's

Leo Laporte (00:52:52):
Just, it's calling well. And cloud kit has been around for the forever and ever, and I even remember in the early days of cloud kit, many developers saying, oh, don't whatever you do do your own syncing. Don't rely on cloud kit. Cause it's unreliable. It seems to have gotten better there, but maybe not. Good, good notes. Just posted as an example, this support article. Why does my iCloud sync show a request failed with a status code 5 0 3 error? <Laugh> apparently we're getting many reports. They say of the error lingering on causing sync failures. The issue is not apparent to us and we've escalated. The case to Apple technical support seems it's happening to other apps as well. In fact, there's a big, long thread. <Laugh> on cloud kit service, unavailable error, 5 0 3. So if you're getting it, don't don't blame the dev don't blame the app, I guess file a, you know, file a bug report, I guess.

Leo Laporte (00:53:51):
I don't know. R IP radar. Yeah. Do a radar. Yeah. do we know what this is about? Do we know this is why this is happening? Doesn't seem to be universal. Have any comments? Yeah. <Affirmative> I did get somebody calling the other day saying my iCloud, maybe this is related. It keeps asking for my password. And I, he said, I brought my phone to the Apple store and the genius said yeah, your iClouds corrupt. Bye <laugh>. He said he didn't try to fix it. He didn't help you fix it. No, he just told me what he was. That that's not good. That's not bad genius. Bad genius. Yeah. Sub genius. <Laugh> so yeah, I wonder, I don't know the cloud, the cloud, the cloud, the cloud.

Speaker 4 (00:54:44):
Yeah, there was this I'm having where, sorry safari no longer supports dragon drop in the YouTube customizer. So like, if you wanna go and move around your YouTube homepage, it just selects the text and graphics instead, which is super annoying. Works fine in chromium does not work in web kit. I filed a bug with Chrome, the Chrome team. I filed a bug with, you know, radar. And it's just like, Google's like, yeah, we just don't care that much about safari. And I mean like, I appreciate your frankness, but that's the only browser that everybody on iOS uses and that's not an insignificant platform. And Apple's like, we don't have anything to do with YouTube. And I'm like, I appreciate your frankness, but you know, YouTube is still a website you're responsible for, for rendering. And that's just like the world we live in and I'm like, you got have users like, like it's just get the stuff fixed.

Leo Laporte (00:55:31):
I guess nothing much to say about this is just, you know, it is, it is what it is, but just be aware of it. It complain. Yeah. Hit mark has

Speaker 4 (00:55:41):
To tweet about it. And then the whole thing

Leo Laporte (00:55:43):
<Laugh> scooter X says the latest tweet bot for iOS added an I out sync status page just rather than them saying, we know, we know we can't do anything about it. We're sorry. They actually put a page up. This here's the status. It's not just you. Number of countries now as we mentioned last week are pushing Apple to a offer. Third party app store payments. A Dutch regulator has responded to Apple's attempt to solve this saying it's not enough. Apple has failed to satisfy the requirements set by the Netherlands authority for consumer and markets regarding payment systems. This is following an investigation to an Apple statements of January 15th. Apple now has to pay ACM the first penalty payment of 5 million euros. This is the the dating apps. <Laugh> this is somebody,

Speaker 5 (00:56:40):
The, the Dutch need to date the Dutch. And this is stopping reproductive reproductive.

Leo Laporte (00:56:46):
I think it's app providers efficiency among the they're the ones who complained. So ACM the authority for consumers. There was an

Speaker 4 (00:56:53):
Amazing tweet yesterday about this saying, you mean Apple has failed to satisfy the, the very obscure requirements of a company. You won't tell them what they need to do to actually fix the situ and just demands that they do it immediately.

Leo Laporte (00:57:05):
Yeah. I thought according to the ACM, the most important failure on Apple's part is it's failed to adjust its conditions as a result of which see if you can follow this dating app, providers are still unable to use other payment systems. At the moment, dating app providers can merely express their interest. So in other words, they didn't implement it. They just said, Hey, let us know if you'd like to though.

Speaker 4 (00:57:28):
That's that's like a very short timeline to implement all of each other.

Leo Laporte (00:57:30):
Okay. In additional Apple has raised several barriers for dating app providers to the use of third party payment systems. That too is at odds with ACMs requirements. For example, Apple seemingly forces, Apple providers to make a choice, either refer to payment systems outside the app or to an alternative payment system that is not allowed. Providers must be able to choose both options. Apples informed ACM is informed Apple at statements do not satisfy the requirements. They're still obligated to respond if they fail to do so, they'll have to pay get for this 5 million euros a week up to a maximum of 50 million euros, Tim

Speaker 4 (00:58:10):
Bucks, coffee budget. Come on. I know it's like, it's

Alex Lindsay (00:58:13):
Like, that's like a, it's like a day in the nether in the Amsterdam store, you know, like

Leo Laporte (00:58:17):
It's okay. So you think that they're not ignoring it, obviously they it's just not happening as fast as are they gonna pull

Speaker 4 (00:58:24):
Dating apps from the Netherlands, is their response. Are they gonna just take their ball and

Leo Laporte (00:58:27):
Go home? That would be interesting. Wouldn't it? What, what a response that would be <laugh>. Cause then, I mean, then I guess what'll happen is some other app will come along and say, well, it's us too. And then they'll the whole thing begins again. Well, they

Speaker 4 (00:58:40):
Had no video games in Brazil for a while because they couldn't they couldn't adequately address. Brazil's required minutes for rating systems for video games. And that caused huge amounts of piracy, but they just effectively could not have video games in Brazil. Ization. The internet was this big international thing, Leo and we had all these companies for a while that were just working completely internationally. We all had the exact same features in every country and now regionalism is gonna make nobody know exactly what service or, or, or goods they can actually get anywhere ever again.

Leo Laporte (00:59:08):
Yeah. Okay. But it <laugh> all right. I don't want to get in this conversation. No, like Apple

Speaker 4 (00:59:14):
Should just solve this internationally. Like they're gonna play, they're gonna play like games in, in Japan or Korea. All the country can do. Just let us go. Websites

Leo Laporte (00:59:21):
Is say we have a problem. They can't. Yes. There's no global mechanism. I guess there kind of is, but there's not much of a global mechanism for doing this. So all automat can do is say, Hey, you gotta fix this. We're gonna find you. Yeah, I just,

Andy Ihnatko (00:59:38):
I just seem to remember more than once I Apple waving away a certain, certain PR problems by saying we, we obey whatever the local laws are in the countries in which we operate, unless

Leo Laporte (00:59:49):
It costs us unless we don't like it, unless we don't like it then. Well, unless it's the hot, it's the

Speaker 4 (00:59:54):
Dutch purchases. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:59:56):
If it's the Dutch, well, hell Erickson is suing Apple in three German courts. Then, then the lens and Brazil, this is a 5g patent issue. Ericson says we have the patent to this technology and Apples file a counter complaint with the ITC, the International's there's the international there, it straight international trade commission, over three patents and all of a sudden, the itself, a big fan of the United States district court for the Eastern district of Texas, aren't they using

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
Qualcomm modems. Like, I don't understand why this is an Apple thing. Yeah. They're using, they finally moved to bog standard, Qualcomm, X 60 and X 55 modems isn't Ericson's beef with Qualcomm and very confused.

Leo Laporte (01:00:39):
I don't know. Are they FRAND? I

Alex Lindsay (01:00:42):
Think they're trying to get up. They're trying to go up the food chain, you know, like they're not get money from Apple getting through Qualcom. Yeah. Well, they're trying to get Qualcomm to give what they wanted by going through to

Leo Laporte (01:00:50):
Apple. Oh, going through Apple. Oh yeah,

Alex Lindsay (01:00:53):
I think so.

Leo Laporte (01:00:54):
I don't know. Erics, according to fo patents would have no benefit whatsoever from disrupting Apple's business through injunctions. It just wants to be paid reasonable royalties on its patent portfolio, taking into account what others are already paying Erickson. Apple by contrast pays only a very small amount of patent royalties on each iPhone. It sells with Qualcomm getting far more than anybody else through it though. It's patent portfolio is not even battle tested. So I don't know if this is through qu this is a Qualcomm remember friend,

Alex Lindsay (01:01:25):
But I think that it was never, but I think this was part of that negoti, the, the other lawsuits with Qualcomm that did, that did end up limiting what Qualcomm got. So I think this is a chain reaction from Apple's victories with Qualcomm. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:01:38):
They're also suing in the Western qu Erickson's also throwing in the Western district, but Apple likes the Eastern district.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
<Laugh>, it'd be nice if we had these companies that we, that we like, they, the whole idea of FRAND was that you have technologies that we can choose to use to make the infrastructure of the entire global communications network, but in, so doing, you've gotta make them available to everybody else. If we choose you, it comes with responsibility. Everyone's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, choose us. It'll be great. We promise it fine. And then they just, the minute they get chosen, they Sue everybody.

Leo Laporte (01:02:08):
Yeah. I almost don't even wanna report on it, but I, I guess we, we have to could

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Nationalize internationalize.

Leo Laporte (01:02:14):
I refer you to fo patents.com. If you really want the, the, we get to,

Alex Lindsay (01:02:19):
We're get to give you check-ins every, every couple months for the next three years.

Leo Laporte (01:02:22):
God. Yeah. At least three, another speed bump for Apple's self-driving car project. So deep within mark Herman's newsletter, which I don't subscribe to. So I'll just have to it's I'll paraphrase. You only,

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
If you subscribe, you only get the, the, the the, the peasant version. You have to also subscribe to Bloomberg

Leo Laporte (01:02:45):
To, I know I get description, subscribe to Bloomberg. I get the peasant version, the other in the other direction, so, oh, okay. Yeah. I don't know. I have so many subscriptions <laugh> did, here it is, dejavu, Apple loses another car team manager. Joe Bass was head of the software engineering program for Apple's car team until recently with Bass's departure rights, Carmen, nearly the entire Apple car management team in place just one year ago is gone. Of course, Doug field, the, the best known and and Lynch took over for Doug bass had reported to field before moving under Kevin Lynch. So where's bass heading Facebook. I'm sorry. Meta platforms along with more than a hundred of his X Apple peers over the past several month. That's why Apples put in out those stock bonuses, trying to keep people from departing and yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:03:46):
Goodness gracious. I think I, I think one of the, one of the largest, most powerful vectors for COVID in the Silicon valley is just engineers being poached from company to company on, on

Leo Laporte (01:03:54):
A different AI project. If you poach them properly COVID is is killed. I believe you

Andy Ihnatko (01:03:59):
Gotta hold them at 1 65 degrees for at

Leo Laporte (01:04:01):
Least 10 minutes now. Ah, it's the old Sovi technique. Yeah. Yeah. So Garman writes, what does this mean for Apple's car project? Well, it cements my theory that 2022 is a make or break year. If the company is set on unveiling its plan for a fully autonomous car by 2025, they're gonna need at the ball rolling with few additional mishaps or departures. That makes sense. Right. Takes three years. They

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Still have Dan Dodge, Leo.

Leo Laporte (01:04:29):
Okay. I don't know what that means, but I'm, I'll take the founder of

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
QNX. He went there to work on okay. On realtime

Leo Laporte (01:04:35):
Software for the Apple car. So they still have Gand Dodge. It sounds like a star. I'll be honest. It sounds like a star wars reference. That's all still have rum SL.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
So Dan Dan Dodge was the, the founder and president of QNX Blackberry bought them. He went to Apple to work on the car, his vice president, Sebastian, Mario mess, went to Apple, worked on security. And now he's doing device intelligence know really,

Leo Laporte (01:04:55):
Really good. He's like too much top people stuff, obviously.

Alex Lindsay (01:04:58):
Well, I also think, I, I also think that the, the future of self-driving cars keeps moving too. So I think that you're kind of going through. Yeah. Like we think that this is there. I mean, I think what's next. The, the consensus is starting to really build around the fact that Google was way out ahead of everybody is that you're not gonna really want a driving space. You just want a going a sitting space or a hanging out space and not really having a, you know, and, and Google's been talking about that for, you know, a long time. And everyone thought they were crazy, but it's starting to become more and more like do people who want self-driving cars really want to actually get behind the wheel, you know, is that the, when you're, cause you gotta throw the ball to where the re receiver's going to be five from now <laugh>, you know, like, so it's, it's a, you know, it's a complicated and very expensive endeavor. So it's, it's gonna be really interesting to see. And I think that as they move through that, and also as you change the upper part of a management system, like putting Lynch in, you know, what happens after that is oftentimes a fallout of the fo folks below because they weren't put that in that position or they don't like the way, the direction that the new man, the new leader is taking it.

Leo Laporte (01:06:08):
It's kind of a light week this week. Let's take a break and then we'll talk about Amy Klobuchar. How about that? I need a fresher, but before we talk about antitrust action, cuz the bill is now headed and, and I'll give you time to look up what comes next after it it's voted out of the judiciary committee.

Alex Lindsay (01:06:27):
It's one of the bills, right? Not both of them.

Leo Laporte (01:06:29):
It's one of the bill it's the Senate bill has got, has now been approved by committee. So what's next? I don't know. Oh, I think what has to happen is Senate Lee leadership has to bring it to the floor for a vote, debate them, Googling how a bill becomes up. Yeah. Will you please

Andy Ihnatko (01:06:44):
Basically basically got it, got the, the committee marked up and now put now moves forward to the, to the whole Senate toward,

Leo Laporte (01:06:50):
But leadership has to approve it. And so exactly.

Andy Ihnatko (01:06:53):
But the fact, the fact that it made it out committee means that, okay, this is serious. It's it's it's it's, it's it like? Okay. The, the da has, has, has formally charged you. Now we actually go have to go forward with this and decide whether this is a good idea or

Leo Laporte (01:07:06):
Not. And the, and this is the law. This is the one that says companies cannot favor their own stuff over other companies, competing companies. And this particularly would affect Apple's app store.

Andy Ihnatko (01:07:17):
Yeah, there there're seven, I think seven specific callouts in the bill and each one of them seems to have like seems to be specifically directed at here's Amazon. Here's what we want you to knock off Apple, knock off this, Google, this crap with prioritizing, like prioritizing your own products and search over others is gonna stop. So yeah, this is bad for everybody. This is, this is why it's being so heavily lobbied. This is why forgot. Forgot it takes Ted Cruz got 40 minutes with Tim cook. He heed him on the

Leo Laporte (01:07:46):
Phone the day before I have to think he Harang him for 40 minutes, 40 minutes with Tim cook. What, what are you by the way? A CEO's time. Yeah. Is very, very valuable. I don't know how many hundreds of thousands of dollars in time is, but what was he saying? Ted Ted. You, you can't Ted. You can't vote for anyway. It was 16 to six. I think Ted did vote for it. The American innovation and choice online act now moves to the Senate floor where it will probably die in ignominious death with all the other bills on the Senate floor. But we'll see, we'll see, functional democracy was so over this, this one has bipartisan support for various reasons, but it has some support. So this is, this is the spanking. It's got a lot

Alex Lindsay (01:08:29):
Of money, a lot of money

Leo Laporte (01:08:30):
Behind it. Yeah. It's the spanking of the tech industry is what it is.

Alex Lindsay (01:08:34):
It's the yeah, big tech. The Fe fleeing the fleeing of the tech industry is what I would call it. Yeah. <laugh> so you, you gotta get, you got, you gotta campaign. You're coming up. Gotta, gotta fill those coffers.

Leo Laporte (01:08:44):
Oh, you think that's what it's all about? Oh yeah. Don't I by my vote

Alex Lindsay (01:08:48):
They're all buying. They're all, all the votes are bought. Yeah. So by my vote, in this case, I mean, cuz

Leo Laporte (01:08:53):
If we were talking about things that pins now, if we were talking about

Alex Lindsay (01:08:56):
Things that actually affected people, the cable companies would be up there like cuz it is I, they are, they are functionally slowing the entire country down. Like literally during COVID people can't go to school. They can't go to work. They can't. And why? Because of the cable companies, but what are we talking about? Something that doesn't affect the average person. That's a, like, you

Leo Laporte (01:09:16):
Know, the, and the

Alex Lindsay (01:09:17):
People behind this, them

Leo Laporte (01:09:18):
Are a lot of small tech companies like proton and Sonos and who small I small I not tiny.

Alex Lindsay (01:09:24):
Not small. Yeah. Yelp not, yeah. Small. I say yous

Leo Laporte (01:09:28):
Not Lamborghini. You know, Yelp says Google favors. It's it's recommendations. So these

Alex Lindsay (01:09:33):
Aren't small companies, these aren't like when people think small, they small shops, these are still hundreds of millions or billions of dollars a company. You know, this is, this is, this is a complaint from people, you know, this is like, you know, actors and baseball players wanting to get paid more, not like union workers at the, at the w <laugh> you know, at the warehouse.

Andy Ihnatko (01:09:49):
So yeah, the only difference is that the FCC already has regulatory authority and they already basically have, they they've made the same announcements that Luchar has been making, right. As head of antitrust. So it, it's not quite as imperative. And there is a lot of motion to get, make sure this gets done before midterms, because if all I gotta, if five or six seats move one way or another, the, the ability to get some, an agenda item Mo move to the forefront or banish to the land of of ghosts and winds per go permanently. It could flip in a second. So I don't think it's quite as quite like that, but it's, there is a lot of impetus on both sides to get this done. There is no love for big tech. Any company that makes more than 500 million is worth more than 500 million. There's not a whole lot of love for it on in Congress right now. But that's

Alex Lindsay (01:10:33):
The people who are, those are the people who are complaining about it too. <Laugh> like, you know, the people are, are trying to get in or the $500 million, the,

Leo Laporte (01:10:39):
The legislation as marked up, cuz they did modify this, applies to companies with a market cap greater than 550 billion and more than 50 million monthly active users. Yeah. 

Andy Ihnatko (01:10:51):
And that any determination that they, they basically own a platform that they, they, they control a dominant platform. So it's not, you've really have to, you really have to be in the, in the golden tea, the golden double diamond tier in order to be subject to this

Leo Laporte (01:11:06):
Thursday, there was a modification that appeared to respond to Apple's concern about, you know, Apple has been telling the senators, Hey look, you're, you're gonna, we, we have this very popular feature where people turn off ad tracking, you're gonna make it impossible for us to do that. So they marked it up and modified that there's a new provision that says platforms are not liable for requiring consent before allowing access to user data that's in. That makes sense. Why should a platform <laugh> be liable for requiring consent before allowing access to my data? They should always ask that anyway. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> another one exempts a fee for service subscription like Amazon prime or presumably Apple. One further hearings on the bills should have been held before the vote said several senators that measure would require changes to secure their support on the Senate floor.

Leo Laporte (01:11:58):
So it's not, it's not a, a done deal. Support is the bill met with white house officials Wednesday to to get support there. But the Biden administration has not yet taken a position on the matter, speaking of government Biden just signed an executive order supporting right to repair. Not sure what the weight or force of that is, but his, his heart's in the right place. He signed it with a lop screwdriver. <Laugh> that's perfect. <Laugh> okay. Okay. Let's take a little break. Come back with more. Our show today brought to you buy our food box every Thursday. I love it. Oh, I love it. It's imperfect foods. I actually look forward to coming home. There it is on my, on my porch, the imperfect foods box, by the way, we recycle that, which is nice. They're very good on packaging. That's one of the things food box is always made me nervous with all that packaging.

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Which makes me really wonder grocery stores are, are, are not selling this cuz what it's that broccoli is too small. Give me a break. It tastes better. Pantry staples, yummy snacks too. Order of arrives on the same day, every week, as I said, ours is Thursday. That's that? That's nice cuz we know our shopping is done. On average imperfect foods, customers save six to eight pounds of food with every order and that so lower emissions, lower waste and say goodbye to packaging. Guilt in perfect foods is the only national grocery delivery company that makes it easy to return your packaging after every order. So it comes in a nice cardboard box. I break it down, they take it back. We recycle that that there's not a lot. There's not of plastic bags in there or anything like that. A lot of the produce is loose.

Leo Laporte (01:15:29):
I just really like it. It's just a great experience and great food and you'll feel good. Imperfect foods is right now. They're offering our listeners 20% off, not just your first order. Your first four orders go to imperfect foods.com. The promo code is MacBreak 20% off your first four orders. That's up to the $80 value imperfect foods.com. When you use the promo code MacBreak M perfect IM P E R F E C T foods.com. I think they're perfect. I think everyone is a perfect little snowflake. I love them. All imperfect foods offer code is MacBreak , imperfect foods.com. We love it. We've been very, very happy with it. <Affirmative> uhittle time to go back to the news. The news of the day epic games is appealing. Surprise, surprise, surprise. <Laugh> they, hhat appealing Leo. They they're, they're very appealing. They're filing, hhey're filed with the, hnited States court of appeals for the ninth circuit.

Leo Laporte (01:16:34):
Both Apple and epic have decided to appeal <laugh> neither company was satisfied with the outcome, which tells me it was perfect, but okay. Epic games wanted the court to force Apple to support 30 party app stores that did not happen. Tim Sweeney, the CEO said ruling, wasn't a win for developers or for consumers. We knew they were gonna appeal. Epic games asked whether judge Rogers, Gonzales, Rogers had made mistakes with some of her findings, including the finding that Apple's not a monopoly. So we shall, they're more of a candy land. Yeah. <Laugh> so the opening brief is out. If you wanna read it, don't expect me to, I I, no, not, not gone to it.

Alex Lindsay (01:17:18):
I just think that because whatever they thought that they were going to get out of this, they got nothing. No. Well, and the thing is is that after the dust is settled, if, if Apple truly does partner up with unity and as they go into the next platform <laugh> the the, whatever they were gonna get out of this lawsuit is will be, you know, I mean, if, if, even if they won five years from now, the amount, the, the billions that they lost in between probably won't make up for whatever they thought they were gonna shave off. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:17:51):
I, I, I guess I could do this Michael put it in the list. I think it's interesting what happened. This is in CNET, Andrew Hoyle writing one, my M one max MacBook pro met a $60,000 camera. He's talking about the phase one, which is a, a medium four camera he's I guess a professional photographer. So this, we bought one I haven't heard yet. I bought this M one max loaded for Anthony. Right? Has he said anything yet? Has he even come to work yet? Is he gone? Has he moved to Montana? What's going on? He's probably still him with it. <Laugh> I don't, I don't blame him. Awesome selfies. Yeah. Alex sent him a photogrammetry project. We never saw him again. Well, that's kind of

Alex Lindsay (01:18:40):
Actually, I was like, don't come back until you finished it.

Leo Laporte (01:18:41):
That's kind of what Andrew did. So Hoyle took 28 full resolution images from his phase one 11 key gigabytes and loaded them into a Photoshop. Each one with its own masking adjustments and other effects, a behemoth of a Photoshop document. He wants to composite all of these images. He said, working on the MacBook pro felt swift. The camera was tether USBC. Oh, he was taking it into that. He was using capture one to take it into capture. One is nice cuz it's M one native, which is great. He says it was Zippy with no noticeable lag, which is a big problem. I'll be honest with you in some software especially with these big raws when making adjustments to the images, Adobe, Adobe. Yeah. That's the one light room is so awful, but you know, I have to say the native Adobe stuff is really sweet when flicking between the shots I'd taken.

Leo Laporte (01:19:42):
No, no noticeable lag. This alone was a relief. <Laugh> initially exported 45 full resolution images in phase one's I I Q Q format into one image stack on Photoshop, took two minutes, 44 seconds to load the images into the document. He did the same thing on a 13 inch M one last year's with 16 gigs of Ram. It struggled, crashed multiple times before taking eventually, almost exactly five minutes to load the stack so slower, but also struggling. He's tried the same input with the I nine MacBook pro took four minutes, 43 seconds. So you know, this is twitce as fast. I guess

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
What I saw that was really interesting too, is that marque famously was traveling around MKBHD, was traveling around with an iMac pro in a, in a suitcase to all the events because he just couldn't enter on a laptop. And he said, he's just, he's back to editing on a laptop. And that's AK red raw footage. Nice. Which is like, he's now more easily doing on a laptop, what he was doing on an iMac pro. Just what two, three years ago,

Leo Laporte (01:20:48):
Alex, did you get any one Maxs

Alex Lindsay (01:20:51):
You didn't? No, no, I'm still waiting for the, I just don't. I just couldn't justify the, the cost for the amount of time I spend where I need a lab and, and this is, this is also, you know, I don't even take my, so all of my hardware, I have a lot of hardware, but all of it sits in one room in my house. And when I walk out, the only thing that leaves with me is potentially an iPad and maybe my iPhone and or my iPhone always walks out with me, but the iPad is the only other thing that I really take out of the room. And the reason for that is also just from a lifestyle perspective, I just like to walk out, be able to walk outta the gear room and have it not be techy. And so so anyway, so I so I, I Don I just don't need a laptop. There's just no reason for me to do that. And so I just couldn't justify buying it. I really want the max chip. And I've been really close, but I have other things to spend money on right now. <Laugh> so Anthony,

Leo Laporte (01:21:40):
Do you like it? <Laugh> I'm telling you, I don't think I'm ever gonna see him again. <Laugh> but good. I'm glad, you know, it's awesome. It's awesome. Let's see, just go kind of the seeds and the stems at the bottom here. Apple may use optical audio transmission from ARV R headset to AirPods. At least they applied for a patent. They don't think a patent means anything. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (01:22:13):
One of them does

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
The E 500,000. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (01:22:15):
<Laugh> the Erickson suit is a good reason to why you just write patent. So if someone comes up with something and you go, Hey, that might be a good idea. We don't know if we'll use it. And we'll give you, you know, the engineer gets a little bit of money and, and so, and then we'll write the patent, you know, and, and you give it to lawyers. And I think they it's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of patents a year, maybe thousands of patents a year, but a lot of it's to protect yourself from ideas in the future. And just to be able to say, you know, prior art, prior art, prior art, prior art. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:22:44):
Prior art. So we, we thought of that. We already thought of that. I already thought of that.

Alex Lindsay (01:22:48):
It also blocks everybody else,

Leo Laporte (01:22:50):
Right?

Andy Ihnatko (01:22:50):
Yeah. The physicist of Richard Fineman in his, in his memoirs biography tells a great story about how he has like half dozen of the most basic patents on nuclear energy, out of sarcasm <laugh> because he was working, he was working on some government project and there was a memo that went that the directors went asked, Hey, if you have any ideas for how we could use this nuclear energy that we're theorizing about, you know, write them down. Cause we we'll get patents on it. And he bursts and Fineman being young and being full of beans. Oh, this is stupid. Like there's just too many ideas like, oh right. Well give me some examples, like, okay, fine. Put a nuclear reactor in a submarine, use the heat to use the heat, to like heat up heat up water and make a jet in the back.

Andy Ihnatko (01:23:30):
Boom, nuclear submarine. Okay. nuclear reactor heats up air and mix it thing. Boom. You got a nuclear jet. And then he got a like, then he got like a letter, like three weeks later. Okay. two of the, two of the eight IDs, he came up with his already been patented, but the other six are yours. <Laugh> so out of, of sheer sarcasm. Because like you said, at certain point you just can patent basic ideas if you're, if you're there first and it's not terribly obvious. Yeah. So this is, this is why, this is why the looking at patent filings are always interesting, but never definitive.

Leo Laporte (01:24:00):
I think Anthony likes the new MacBook. I'm not sure. He just responded a discord. Yes. Exclamation more. I don't know what good question he was answering. <Laugh> that mean? You're being held hostage and Anthony. Yeah. Anthony tug your ear if you're being held hostage. Okay. we'll. We'll, we'll get,

Andy Ihnatko (01:24:17):
I've never asked this, but when, when, when hardware comes into the office, do you put like a barcode on it? Some sort of a tracker just to make sure, you know, little, little clipboard signing it, finding him out?

Leo Laporte (01:24:27):
No, only in the equipment rooms, not the laptops. John says the laptops, you know, here he comes. Do you like it, Anthony? Yeah. It's great. Is it fast? Yes. Is it all you'd hope it be very quiet. Also very quiet fan doesn't come on. Does it? No. But also,

Speaker 6 (01:24:44):
I mean, I haven't done a crazy project on it yet. Like even scrubbing through, you know, 10 big 4k footage graded. Like it's

Leo Laporte (01:24:50):
Just, you scrub right through it. Scrub right through 4k. Good. That's a, I just good. Glad to see you. <Laugh> I thought you'd gone to Mexico. I wasn't sure <laugh>. I would have. I'm just saying I would have that's if I had had the chance $4,200 laptop in hand I, the only, you know, I really love the, for, I got the, the 14 inch M one pro and it's really fast. The only, yeah. Hard stuff I've done with it though is like computer programming. I did a actually I have a pretty good score on my my path finding we, we we're all doing that advent of code thing. And I got like down at giant, like, I can't remember it was thousands of cells, you know, a grid of a million cells or something. 2, 2, 2 seconds. Just like that. It's really good. So very happy, very happy. It's fast. Make a world joke for a minute. It's so it solved my world. Problem like that. Yeah. <Laugh>

Andy Ihnatko (01:25:50):
God, what, what I can't, I can't even think about what computer science students are, are, are going through and, and solving their, solving their assignments. That there's so many things that like, when I was going through computer science, you could not, of course we be impossible to brute

Leo Laporte (01:26:03):
Force. This solution. Come up with an algorithm cycle actually. Now on my phone, I could brute something for a second. Yeah, exactly. Might be clever. Yeah. Yeah. This is no, this, this runs pretty quick. So I'm, I'm a, I'm I'm a happy with it. Apple is get your gentlemen. Start your Apples, looking for your best iPhone macro photos for Apples shot an iPhone challenge. I think it's because we saw so many cat photos with the pixel six on the subreddit <laugh> that they've decided holy cow is at a pretty shot. So the challenge starts today. Runs through February 16th. Winners will be in April. I think you get, do you get anything? Probably. You know, you got Peter McKinnon judging this year. Yeah. Ooh. Okay. hashtag typically I think people get

Alex Lindsay (01:26:53):
Paid for it. I mean, if they, if they use 'em, if they, yeah. If they

Leo Laporte (01:26:56):
Use 'em they pay 'em for it. Yeah. The winning photos will be celebrated the gallery on Apple's newsroom, Apple, Instagram, and other official Apple accounts. Probably if you get celebrated, you don't get anything. But if you appear in digital campaigns, Apple store location, no, there

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
Was a big controversy. A couple years ago. They didn't announce payment and people got really angry and Apples. Like of course we're paying people,

Leo Laporte (01:27:14):
The press. Okay. Good, good, good. Yeah. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (01:27:16):
They're they're that's the whole shenanigan. They're they're definitely

Leo Laporte (01:27:19):
Paying everybody. Yeah. Why not? And this is good for them. You can also share your favorite macro photos on Instagram and twittter hashtag shot on iPhone and iPhone macro challenge. That's how you submit, but don't those don't those sites crush those photos somewhat. Maybe not.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
Yeah. They make you cry like twittter is congressional make you cry. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:27:41):
<Laugh> this is a mushroom that looks like a celestial body. It looks like a celestial, you know, two, two centimeter focal length here are blueberries and cream. Yeah. Nice. So yeah, a non-pharma national geographic Explorer apex mocker commercial photographer, owner of the house of pixels, Peter McKinnon, well known filmmaker, YouTube creator, breakout YouTuber of the year in 2019. But what have you done for me lately? And Patty Chao. These are all the judges photographer who specializes in capturing life's moments on iPhone and Y ke Lee, urban photographer from Singapore is a big list, long list, nice Bella Huff,

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
Who runs Apple's photo program. She, all of the people who involved in Apple's camera technologies, they have Instagram accounts and they are some of the most fantastic photographers I should follow. I've seen D yeah. John McCormick. They're all terrific.

Leo Laporte (01:28:46):
You can also post it on WBO. But I would bet the people who really care about their images will email the highest resolution to shot on iphone@Apple.com you, but there's a whole big thing using the file form at first name underscore last name underscore macro underscore iPhone model subjects must be shot an iPhone macro challenge, submission, blah, blah, blah, straight from the camera edited through Apple's editing tools in the photos app or edited with third party software. Oh, so you are allowed to tweak it. You have to be 18 to participate, not open to Apple employees, or are there immediate families? I always enjoy those shot on iPhone shots. They're always amazing. Yeah. Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:29:27):
Especially when it's clear that the, the people who win, I I'm glad it's open to everybody. Cause it shows the, the, the prowess of the iPhone as a camera system. But I love it when it's just the, the, the description is no, I was just out for a walk and that's what the first picture I took and like two weeks, and it just came out really nice and it's and people said, oh, you should, you should enter it. You should enter it. Cuz it really does show you how good a picture can be with just somebody taking a walk with their phone in their pocket.

Leo Laporte (01:29:51):
Lillith Whitman is a German citizen who has used the Apple air tag to discover a hit tother, two unknown German inspire agency. <Laugh> the Punta service tele this is in German. So for those of you who don't speak German, including I shall go to the Apple CI piece, she says she uncovered Germany's little known federal telecommunications services, actually a camouflage authority for a create intelligence agency in her blog post, she explains how she was able to do this with the air tags. Yeah,

Andy Ihnatko (01:30:33):
It's, it's, it's a great story where she all, she it's it's it was, this is like the second part of like a two month, like little like investigation where she all, she was just like going through a list of government agencies, looking for ones that seemed interesting, that she'd never heard of. And she came across this one that just seemed like a harmless, like telecommunications thing. Oh, well gee, I wonder where it is. And every time she tried to find out like where it is or where it was, whether she phoned somebody or whatever, she goes, came, came to dead ends or hi, remember we sent you, please get rid of it cuz it doesn't exist anymore. Or people like hardly hang up the phone. So this was like the two month, the second month of her investigation, she was trying to figure out if this agency was, she suspected that it was a sort of an, a part of an intelligence arm, the way she could prove it is if, well, if I send a piece of mail to this innocuous communications division, it winds up in the build in the building or the neighborhood where our big intelligence apparatus is that would be an indication of something interesting, wouldn't it?

Andy Ihnatko (01:31:30):
And so she got a travel magazine, hollowed out a core into it, dropped an air tag into it, mailed it off and sure enough, it wound up it wound up where she thought it was. She

Leo Laporte (01:31:39):
Mailed them an air tag. It appeared at the office for the protection of the constitution in, in cologne. Which of kind of interesting name for what is apparently that's

Andy Ihnatko (01:31:50):
That's inte euphemism.

Leo Laporte (01:31:51):
Yeah. Yeah. She says <laugh> in her latest post, she says the intelligence service can keep the ear tag. I heard they're supposed to be very expensive. So they <laugh>.

Andy Ihnatko (01:32:03):
But do we know if like, if she actually tracked something or they just detected electronics and goes, Nope, Nope, Nope. We're sending this to the federal ALIS and then it got redirected for oh, maybe that's

Leo Laporte (01:32:12):
Or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's possible. I guess I'm sure it's not a sext

Andy Ihnatko (01:32:15):
Story.

Leo Laporte (01:32:16):
You never know what this stuff you're you're thinking you doing your thinking, Apple music, the world's second, most popular music streaming service. This is this is according to a meet M I D I a media research post Spotify, 31% Apple music, 15% by Amazon, 13, 10 cent, 13, YouTube, eight net six D two. Yex two. I'm sad about title. It doesn't even show up. <Laugh> other 10% that divide among a lot of people. I actually paid for title just cause I wanted to hear their press streaming, but

Alex Lindsay (01:33:00):
I was excited. I, I, I got on title to listen to the spatial. And the problem is, is that the registration was so difficult. I couldn't get it working on Michael that's on my Apple TV. And I was like, okay, enough, forget it. You know?

Leo Laporte (01:33:10):
Yep. I did the free subs, you know, one month or whatever. I'll probably cancel anyway, just where Neil young tells me, nobody obviously says how well they're doing, but this is this is MEIA research's conclusion based on their research. That's for Q2 love last year. And it's global by the

Andy Ihnatko (01:33:30):
Way. Well, Pono player is still a fine product.

Leo Laporte (01:33:33):
I lo I was listening to Neil young this morning and man, I, I, you know, my Pono is now in the museum, but it's still <laugh>

Andy Ihnatko (01:33:43):
If you, I, I, I like that. He's still a hippie. I like that. He's still trying to say Spotify. You, you can't have any, my didn't he say like this morning, like take everything off of my off. You have Joe Rogan. You don't have me because yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. He says, all

Leo Laporte (01:33:56):
Right, it's me, me or Rogan. I like that. Meanwhile, Eric clapped of saying, we're all hypnotized to there, go to get the shot. So, you know, you can pick your rocker, pick your rocker, whatever you believe you pick the rocker that goes along. How about science?

Andy Ihnatko (01:34:09):
How about I don't pick any of them

Leo Laporte (01:34:10):
And I just pick science. How about science? I just got my test results back. I am still negative. Yay. I've a test. So our son 19 year old contracted COVID a week ago. It's been a week now and he's been sick. Poor kid. He's not dying or anything. It's like a really bad cold, basically. He's sore throat. He's stuffed up. He's got a bad headache. So we locked him in his room and Lisa and I have immediately tested negative, but we're both boosted. And of course, so was he, but we're both boosted and we've been doing all the right things, washing our hands, feeding him through the door, that kind of thing. <Laugh> and 

Andy Ihnatko (01:34:47):
Doing his TikTok while HES sick. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:34:49):
Keeping his channel going. Not that son, the other one, Michael I TikTok or he works through COVID he's been, he's had COVID twitce now. Henry has. And he just, he works right through it. He doesn't <laugh>, he's a Le port. He's a Le port. He works through it. But so Lisa and I keep getting tested and so far so good negative. I just tested this morning. Wow. So good news. It's possible to care for somebody with COVID. If you're careful and you're willing to lock them in the room, in their room, you need a special Rapunzel sealed room.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
Do you have like hazmat suit still? You don't have like a hazmat,

Leo Laporte (01:35:25):
Like when you open the door, we wear masks and I don't put a face shield on, but we wear masks hazmat. Maybe you should have a hazmat suit. How many times do

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Many, how manys do you get to buy a hazmat suit? That's all

Leo Laporte (01:35:37):
I'm saying. That's a good point. Should I get one with an oxygen bottle attached? Oh,

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
Mandalorian armor. Leo. This is your big fan, full Mandalorian armor.

Leo Laporte (01:35:46):
Somebody's pointing out that, that, that pie chart does not have Pandora on it either. Wow. But that means Pandora's under 2% of the total market globally. Yeah. Maybe Pandora is bigger in the us. Maybe it's not such a big global thing. Well,

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
Some of 'em aren't available in, in, in, in as many markets. There are very few of that. I think that's to Apple music in like a hundred Mar 150 markets. I think when they,

Leo Laporte (01:36:07):
I think that's, that's unusual. Yeah. Apple. I don't know what this means. You're gonna explain it. Apple delays. In-App account deletion requirement extends IEP exception for group services. In order to provide more time for you to update your apps. We've changed the following requirement deadline at June 30th 

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
App. Yeah. Those, the Agon that they announced that 

Leo Laporte (01:36:33):
To make it easier to delete your account is that it, the, these are the requirements when updating your app, the account deletion options should be easy to find. It's insufficient to only provide the ability to temporarily disable or deactivate an account. People should be able to delete the account and their personal data apps and highly regulated industries may need to provide additional support flows, to confirm and facilitate the account deletion process, follow applicable legal requirements, et cetera, et cetera. But they that's why a dark pattern

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
Provision, ah,

Leo Laporte (01:37:05):
Good. It was gonna apply to all app submissions by the end of this month, due to the complexity of implementing this requirement, we've extended the deadline of June 30th.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
That seems to happen a lot. It does. Doesn't, it's much easier to say you have to do this than it is for the risk, actually do it. Yeah. But I like that Apple puts a firm date down because if they didn't, it would take literally forever. It'll

Leo Laporte (01:37:24):
Take as long as Apple gives them, right? Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
Yeah. Well, until a majority of important apps, I think that's the worst. The barometer, like no one wants to have to eject Instagram or something from their platform. So you give 'em as long as it takes the major apps to move over, then anyone else gets sort of cut off.

Andy Ihnatko (01:37:39):
Yeah. Historically developer houses, it's thing work to work that they do on an app to comply with app store regulations are always like less lesser priority than work to do, to fix problems that exist in the app and work to do, to add features to the app that your users are, are looking for. People are not looking for. Hey, I, I, I, gee, I'd really love to use this to-do list manager, but I'm not sure if it, if it works with the GDPR disclosure compliance regulations that were just updated in the, the EU last month, like no, they said, I really want to be able to do multiple selections and then to be able to pass that on to Evernote quickly. So this is why you really do. They really do have to have their arms twitTed in order to do these things that the user is never going to really appreciate, but it's gonna take time away and money away from actually making the, the app visibly better.

Speaker 4 (01:38:31):
But I do love this because like, there are so many places, especially traditional media, let's wear it's one button to subscribe, take your credit card information and start billing you 818 phone calls. Yeah, exactly. To

Leo Laporte (01:38:40):
Get it cancel. Yeah. <Laugh> yep.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
Including a mandatory, like talk with their, with their retention department, which tries to guilt. You like a grandparent, like why, why are you, why are you

Alex Lindsay (01:38:51):
Moving? Your subscribe is the worst. This is why I love finding things to the app store the way I'm so sensitive to it being fragmented out. Because right now I just go, oh, I don't wanna subscribe to that anymore. Like I just don't, you know, like in, in the back end, I actually

Leo Laporte (01:39:03):
Completely agree with you. That is the single most valuable benefit of the app store. Just nowhere else. Is it that easy to do to review

Alex Lindsay (01:39:10):
What you've subscribe to and, and, and, you know, that'll be gone. <Laugh> if we, like, if we do party, like it's, it's gonna that all of that'll be gone and we'll be back to like, well, it's good incentive

Leo Laporte (01:39:20):
To stick with the app store and, and, you know, I mean, that's a big,

Alex Lindsay (01:39:24):
What will happen is, is the big companies. These are not, again, these aren't the small, these aren't, they're smaller than Apple, but still we're talking about people who want to go from the gold to platinum. <Laugh> like, you know, and so, so, but they will eventually only make their apps available on you know, for these outside of this and outside of the realm. And so we, as users will have to do that if we want Netflix or, or something like that, or they'll go outside of it and give, you know, say, well, it's less expensive, but eventually that outside price will go right back up to where, where it is right now in the Apple. And then users will just pay 30% more. And so the so the thing is, is that, is that, you know, that's, that's why, you know, there'll be a lot of one stars. If, if I see <laugh>, if, if we see it show up, so, and I've gotten a lot of followers based on that. So I think that it won't be just one. So anyway,

Leo Laporte (01:40:12):
I wish my name were Leo day. Cuz then I could get leo.day, felicia.got felicia.day,

Speaker 4 (01:40:18):
Felicia day. Teon the

Leo Laporte (01:40:19):
Teon got Teon doon.day. Today is the.day. According to Google, Google apparently owns the dot D ay domain. They're launching that domain today, but you have to be in the early access program day, which by the way, Felicia day is, is <laugh>. So congratulations, Felicia day has her actual name as a domain. That's awesome. There's wedding.day by the not Valentine's day.day, valentines.day by FTD. I think of all those people that collected all those dot coms. <Laugh> like, like, you know, whoops. Yeah. If you can just mint them, that'll be fine. Starting. You can register your own.day. Domain is part of our early access program for an additional onetime fee. The fee decreases according to a daily schedule through the end of January on February 1st at, at 8:00 AM day, domains will be publicly available at base annual price through your registrar of choice. So Google's holds on. Yeah, I can get it at hover, but not until February 1st. And by then all the good days will be taken <laugh>

Andy Ihnatko (01:41:26):
I Don the good days are ahead

Leo Laporte (01:41:28):
Of us Monday. Tuesday's gotta Wednesday all gone. <Laugh> Thursday, Friday. So Saturday, Sunday, payday, payday, payday. Ooh, I like that. Yeah, that'll be gone. That'll be gone. All the good ones will be

Speaker 4 (01:41:39):
Gone if you search Wordle on Google. I dunno if you saw that or not Leo, but if you just search for word on Google

Leo Laporte (01:41:44):
It's it's the best thing. Well, let me do it right now. I did play Wordal already this morning. Wordle. Okay. Yeah. Just let this search run. I'm not, oh, look up at the top. It's doing Wordle. It's playing a little Wordle. That's so nice. That's nice.

Andy Ihnatko (01:42:01):
Did you do, did you try Googling? Betty White?

Leo Laporte (01:42:04):
I did not. Shall we try? Let's have some, we should save all this for tomorrow. Betty White, nothing. Huh? Huh? What did you get? What did you get? They're supposed to, I

Andy Ihnatko (01:42:19):
Got, I got like a rose pedals tumbling down from the top of the screen followed by. Thank you for being a friend. Maybe, maybe they,

Leo Laporte (01:42:27):
Maybe they probably stopped. They don't that's really sweet. Good for them. There's no Google doodle today. That's weird. It just says Google is that right? You know, it's opposite day. Maybe that's why

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
<Laugh>, there's a, a YouTuber Julie Noki who got famous for making this series called explaining the pandemic to my past self. And she basically goes back in time and tries to give her information about what's happening for the next six months. And this the last weeks one she comes and she goes, so Betty White was trending again. And then I just had to stop the video. I couldn't <laugh> couldn't continue. That was just peak 20, 22 for me. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:43:06):
Couple more stories in video looks like they're gonna abandon their arm acquisition $40 billion acquisition. That was a complicated one. Yeah. Microsoft to buy. Yeah. Lot of, lot of conflicting yeah, a lot of direct direct competitors using the same technology that they're buying. That's a, it's a rough one. And for those of us who still think app Katie cotton is Apple head of PR. No, Tom dolling is not there either. Right? Gone. Steve. Yeah. Steve dolling Apple has a new head of PR Stella low who's served as Apple head of worldwide corporate communications since may, has now been replaced by Kristen. We're gonna have to learn how to pronounce this UA who get quail. I'm just gonna call her KQ. She's legit. Awesome. You know her? Have you met her?

Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
Yeah. Well, I mean, I, I know her as well. I know

Leo Laporte (01:44:00):
Went at Apple. She's a long time company. Spokes got a fun,

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
Phenomenal reputation. Everyone seems really happy

Leo Laporte (01:44:06):
With her. And she's been with the company. It seems like,

Speaker 4 (01:44:09):
Wow. Yeah. Like they tried to go. Sometimes they try to go outside of Apple, like brow and paper maker and Stella low. And then like six months later, they're like, no, no, no. We,

Leo Laporte (01:44:20):
They want the culture. Yeah. Low came from Cisco. Yeah. Yeah. Her new gig starts in, came from

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
CNBC I think. And he worked out great.

Leo Laporte (01:44:29):
It's just not always like, oh, I remember that. Yeah. That right. Yeah. Yeah. She will report directly to Tim cook. Her new gig starts immediately. It's interesting. Usually there's a little transition. Maybe not <laugh> Stella

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
Here's well, she was already there working like she was,

Leo Laporte (01:44:43):
She knows stuff. She's ready.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
And that's the PR people that, that Tim deal, like, Tim's not, well, I'm sure he deals with product PR, but like corporate coms is what he, he does all day. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:44:52):
Apple said Lowe is departing to spend more time with her family. It's always,

Alex Lindsay (01:44:57):
That's always the,

Leo Laporte (01:44:58):
Wow. You think they come up with something else? She,

Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
She tweeted that. But though she tweeted that this morning, she said it's like hashtag is part of my family time. I don't know my son has. I got COVID now. So I guess that's how I's

Leo Laporte (01:45:08):
I completely understand that. You know, if I could afford to spend more time with life family, actually, when it's, I don't like when it's a politic, maybe not. Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:45:16):
When it's a politician who got caught doing something that will affect donations for the campaign or support from their party. That's, that's the one

Leo Laporte (01:45:24):
That's that's.

Andy Ihnatko (01:45:25):
But, but, but somebody in a job like that, it's like I could under, I could totally understand the idea of wait a minute. I just, I just remembered how much money I have and that I don't have to do any of this right now. <Laugh> yeah.

Alex Lindsay (01:45:36):
Yeah. I mean, if you've been there, if you've at Apple, that's Apple as a job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's a real, I mean, most, most of things, I mean, Apple is not, definitely not the same. It's a little heavier from what we hear than, than, you know, some of the other companies. And so you know, you, you get, you know, I think there's a lot of people working pretty hard there, especially when you get into that altitude. I think it's pretty, yeah. It's pretty

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
Rough place. And the teams are still so small comparatively.

Alex Lindsay (01:45:59):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:46:01):
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Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
So I've got two of them and they're both videos. Now. One of them is incredibly long and I have to admit, I have not been able to make it all the way through Ru, but it just keeps getting recommended to me. And it's a video's

Leo Laporte (01:50:10):
It's 18 minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:50:11):
Holy. Yes. And even then it doesn't address everything because there's a lot of it deals with NFTs and the problem surrounding NFTs, what what's, what solutions they provide, what are those solutions are new and novel? What difficulties or problems that introduce it, doesn't get into the legal ramifications, which are huge, which we, things like, you know, we bought a dune book with our DOA. Now we're gonna make a movie about it, which has tremendous legal ramifications beyond just the technology involved and this at least so far. And based on everything that I've seen from everybody who's watched it to completion is just an incredibly good, reasonable, thorough, balanced sane look at what the technology actually is, what the problem space that addresses is the realism surrounding it. And, and I, it was pointed to me because right now there's a part of my twittter timeline that vehemently adamantly believes that if you're not all in, on NFTs and DOA, the AOS and blockchains and all this, that you are beyond a ludite and you're being left behind. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:51:07):
You know, who says the, the

Speaker 4 (01:51:08):
Graveyard, yeah. People

Leo Laporte (01:51:10):
Who are speculating in crypto and NFTs who desperately need a market to exist. Totally.

Speaker 4 (01:51:16):
But they're speculation. The other part of my timeline are people who are like, this is the worst techno techno FIAC pyramid scheme I've ever seen. And they both threatened to block each other all the time. My twittter timeline has never been more hostile. Yeah. Nobody argued about web two. Like nobody argued about oof and CSS and, and AJAS the way that they argue about these technologies. So, but this again is, is a very sane deliberation of the technologies. My personal belief is that these are gonna be building blocks of future products. Mainstream people shouldn't care about them until they're actually embedded in apps. Like nobody cared about Ajax before it became Google maps and Instagram and Facebook. And nobody cared about oth until it became sign in with twittter or sign in with Google or all those things. So they, they like, it really is just really fetishizing technology at this point, but it's really good to, to know and to understand it. And my second pick is another video called,

Leo Laporte (01:52:11):
Let me just give people the location for this. So the, the channel is folding ideas and and it's on YouTube line goes up. I'm not sure what that means. The problem with NFTs should be easy to find 1.8 million views in the last five days. That's pretty good. Two hour video for a two more than two hour video. It's pretty good. Yeah. folding ideas is the channel. It looks like he's got a lot of other interesting content on there. All right. Part two

Speaker 4 (01:52:39):
Part two is just a, a very adorable video called finding X. And it's just because it's, it's animated math videos, which I love those I thought was the adorable concept. Yep. And it's just because everybody's always solving for X, but what about ex Leo? How do we ever stop to think about it? How does X

Leo Laporte (01:52:55):
Feel about the whole thing? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
Are you doing okay X? Yeah. Like, you know, like a little health check but it is so gloriously animated and the, the YouTuber who did just blanking on her name right now, but it's just gorgeous, gorgeous work. It's the kind of thing that makes me smile in the morning and I need those smiles.

Leo Laporte (01:53:12):
Very cool. Finding X entertainment, a mathematical short film by TBS ort.

Speaker 4 (01:53:19):
Yes. That's it?

Leo Laporte (01:53:20):
Yes. Very cool. Ado. There's X on the beach. <Laugh> oh,

Speaker 4 (01:53:25):
They found him maybe 20%. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:53:29):
Andy ACO pick of

Andy Ihnatko (01:53:30):
The week simple, but really, really useful app for the iPad and the iPhone called Vire all it is. It's an infinite canvas sort of idea board where it's just, as I said, it's an infinite canvas where you're gonna import paste, take pictures, whatever and basically drop these on this board wherever. Oops. Wherever you want them to go. Your own personal

Leo Laporte (01:53:54):
Pinterest.

Andy Ihnatko (01:53:56):
Yeah. Well, see, the, the idea is that oftentimes like your org, it's when you have a collection of images, like in this case, like every time I see a, like an oil painting or something that I really like, like, I, I, I, I dump it into I dump it into an album and I have so many of them that now I kind of need to organize them. Like if I figure out what do I duplicates of and what are like, what and what cases do I have artworks that's are that are being done by the, not just by the same artist, but here's the same model that did both of 'em. And the ability to simply splat a PPLA an image is just anywhere you want to, and then just like, move it around wherever you want to. And then

Leo Laporte (01:54:36):
This vision board we're looking at

Andy Ihnatko (01:54:38):
<Laugh> I wish this is because, because these are all like really, really talented people that kind of in kind of inspire me. But I, I can't see the it's it's so good because it is so simple that the idea that, and every one of these is being imported, like at full size. So if I, even though with this, like a little tiny thumbnail, if I double tap on it, it will just automatically zoom out to maximum size. I've used this a lot, like when either a organizing a whole bunch of images, there are times when I'm trying to write something, I need a whole bunch of different different pieces of information, visual pieces of information that I don't know how to organize inside my head. And I don't wanna take the time to simply take this chart that I grab from some place.

Andy Ihnatko (01:55:23):
And then I type out, well, the trend, the hockey stuck trend towards this is leading towards 20, 23. It's much easier to simply say, look, I'm gonna use this at some point. I'm just gonna do, I'm gonna drop this here. I have tools that, that will let me do that. In other apps, like Scrivener does that. And some note takers will let you import things as pictures, but this is just simply like you, you got, you clear everything off your desk. You, you just put all these things down there. You keep sliding them around, like someone in a, like a detective at a 1993, nighttime cop drama on TV. Like there's got to be a connection between these three receipts and this security camera photo, and these lab results. It's not for any one thing. It's the, so it is one of my favorite is of apps.

Andy Ihnatko (01:56:02):
It's an app that you have installed on your phone or on your or on your iPad. And then at some point during life, you realize that, oh, I'm doing this the really, really hardware by trying to organize this through Omni outliner, I can just dump these all dump all these pictures into this big canvas, and then just drag them around until they make sense to me. Awesome. And it's not, it's not expensive. It's like 3 99. There's a separate version for the iPhone. There's a separate version for the iPad. And I, I got this a few weeks ago and you, you, you can create multiple of these of these image boards. And I now have like four or five and two of them are kind of important now. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:56:38):
Very nice. And nowadays and gentlemen, I give us the most expensive of guy in the shop on this shop, I guess it,

Alex Lindsay (01:56:46):
I guess it will be the most expensive today. Cause everything else has been pretty, it's pretty cheap, expensive. Andy's four

Leo Laporte (01:56:51):
Bucks, dude. The others are free.

Alex Lindsay (01:56:52):
What do you got? Yeah. So what I'm recommending, cause I've been using it now for a long time and I'm pretty happy. I just got a second one. Is the Viva, this is a tablet Mount and I was gonna show you how I use it. This is oops, wrong, wrong button. Let's see, here. There we go. So these are the, these are the tablet mounts, and you can see two of them here. And you know, what I can do is I have these on arms. These are just monitor arms. So what these are is these, these are mounts that hold my, this is a WM tablet. So this is how I, what this is gonna do. This is how I draw, you know, over top of things. And so, but, but what I found was is that I needed, this is where I started with it is I needed to be able to move it around.

Alex Lindsay (01:57:35):
And so I didn't want it to just be sitting on my desk cause it was taking up too much desk space. And then I, oh, I need my iPad to go somewhere too. And so I put, put these on here. So what's nice is I can kind of move them in and out and get 'em to exactly, you know, where I want some other that's that's not, that's just a monitor. But anyway, so, but what's really nice is that they, they, they act as a visa amount. So any, any arm that you have, like this, that, that would have, that would take a monitor, you can simply attach it to it and then you can put tablets or whack 'em tablets or other things on them and kind of keep the 'em all moving. And so and a lot of my arms are kind of that way. They kind of all, there's, there's one waiting for a monitor right now. Anyway, so so anyways, it's just a really real, I, I bought a lot of these over the last couple years, and this is the best one so far I've probably bought, I don't know, 15 of them. They're not expensively, not particularly expensive. 35. Yeah. They're not, of course you

Leo Laporte (01:58:27):
Have to have a visa arm to, to

Alex Lindsay (01:58:28):
Put it on which, which are like, yeah, the visa arms are gonna be more expensive. I mean, you know, the, the ones that I have are probably 80 bucks each. Yeah. And the, but they can get up to being expensive if you really want nice ones. And so mine are the least, almost the least expensive ones, but they're solid. Anyway, so, but they're yeah, they're great. They're great little mounts. And if you're trying to figure out, like, if you get some mobile mounts, like with arms that can move and then you start putting tablets or stuff on it. It's it's nice.

Leo Laporte (01:58:57):
So everything's on arms in your studio. I bet everything.

Alex Lindsay (01:59:00):
Mo almost everything is on arms. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like I have if you you know, if you, if you look at my, my studio here, the <laugh>, you know, these are, these are, these are the two here. This one, this one's on an arm. This one's, this one's on an arm. This one looks

Leo Laporte (01:59:15):
Like even the S are on everything's on arms. It's all on arms. Yes.

Alex Lindsay (01:59:19):
It gives you flexibility. As you go, you go like, oh, I wanna move this up here, down there. You have that. Even this is even my mic is on an arm. Yeah. Fighter

Leo Laporte (01:59:26):
Jet cockpit moment where you sit down and then you swing everything in,

Alex Lindsay (01:59:31):
You know? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's a, it's a, it's good.

Leo Laporte (01:59:35):
Is that a, what? Tell me about your tin cup that looks like you're 

Alex Lindsay (01:59:38):
Drinking. Oh, that's, that's a I have two of

Leo Laporte (01:59:42):
These. Oh, it's an Ember. I didn't know. They made metal embers.

Alex Lindsay (01:59:45):
That's not. Yeah. My mom got 'em for me. And, and so I, I, two of them RB,

Leo Laporte (01:59:48):
I have a S one that's nice.

Alex Lindsay (01:59:51):
This is the first hour. This is the second hour. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:59:54):
They're USB charged coffee mugs that keep your coffee warm. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (01:59:58):
And so they, they sit over currently, you know, there's two of them folks. That's all, I'm there him for two hours, like, and for office hours, what's nice is that they stay warm. So I drink one. Yeah. And it's nice and warm. And then I get to the second hour. I don't have to stand up. I have a nice warm coffee. Get another ready, still warm. I have some more PG tips waiting for me right there. And nice. Good to go. Yeah. So,

Leo Laporte (02:00:17):
And just cuz somebody asked your microphone is a Noman TLM

Alex Lindsay (02:00:23):
One oh two, two. Yeah. The 1 0 2 is like six or $700. The 1 0 3 is like 1200 or $1,300. Yeah. Oh and, and, and by the way, since we're looking at this stuff, there's, there's the rock collection. My, my daughter made me a couple new ones. I love those Sarah look at face invader. She's good.

Leo Laporte (02:00:37):
Wow. I love she is. She's got some, does she find the rock somewhere? Does she ship 'em in, did they're outside in front of

Alex Lindsay (02:00:42):
The house? Oh, she just, she just goes out. We have a lot, whoever owned the house before had a lot, I mean, thousands of round rocks. So she just goes out and picks the rocks that she needs and brings 'em back in.

Leo Laporte (02:00:51):
They're called river Cobbs and yeah. Yeah, exactly. And she's loaded with river

Alex Lindsay (02:00:55):
Cobbs. Yeah. They're she's 10 feet. All she gotta do.

Leo Laporte (02:00:58):
<Laugh> thank you, Alex. Lindsay office hours done at global. If you wanna join that coffee fueled extravaganza. It goes 24 7, but the, the morning is when the you know, the official office hours goes on. 

Alex Lindsay (02:01:14):
It's it's a lot of fun. I mean, it's still every, every morning it's just something new. Like we get to talk about something new that's related to it. And so we were talking today just about all the AV issues that you might have a week ago, by the way, when we were talking about NFTs we had Elizabeth Strickler on from, from from she she's a specialist and she teaches classes at you know, on, on NFTs. And, but she's not like someone really promoting it. She just answered our questions about this is what you wanna think about when, when you're talking about it. And so it was good, but we range everything from NFTs all the way through to like, what kind of wiring should you use? And, and yeah, so, and tomorrow and Thursday we have a, some, a great artist coming on. And so, so there's just a lot of, lot of different things. So it's, it's a lot of fun and

Leo Laporte (02:01:59):
There's also Sabado GTE with cooking and music and conversation. We're

Alex Lindsay (02:02:05):
Constantly figuring stuff out. You know, the what's what's really happening is somewhere in the primorial Oze of this, of this or organization is coming out new ways of doing online events. Yeah. You know, and new ways of doing broadcasts. That's really interesting. Yeah. To have a, some thing that you can imagine, the, the chaos that would normally happen, but we have, you know, anywhere from 10 to 20 people on the panel, any, any given morning. So it's amazing. It's a, and, and it works seamlessly. It's

Leo Laporte (02:02:29):
A big, just one big zoom call. You can find out more by going office hours.global, including getting an invite. And of course there's a YouTube channel as well. If you wanna hire Alex, oh nine oh media, that's his

Alex Lindsay (02:02:43):
That's his, I mostly specialize in, especially if you have something that you think might work in live that has never done been done before. That's kind of, most of my job, he likes to do crazy stuff is what he, I do mostly crazy, crazy stuff, stuff.

Leo Laporte (02:02:55):
No everybody says you can't do that. Can't do that.

Alex Lindsay (02:02:58):
We help launch plot platforms. That's kind of what we nice. That's what I do anyway. And the company does lots of different streams, lots of different streams for, you know, Marvel and other folks. But you know, most of my focus is on the kind of bleeding edge stuff.

Leo Laporte (02:03:11):
Mr. ANCO w GBH next

Andy Ihnatko (02:03:14):
Thursday Friday the usual day, a little bit earlier 11:40 AM go to U G B H news.org to stream it live or to stream it

Leo Laporte (02:03:23):
Later. And any any information on the grand in NACO project as it is it coming along, I've

Andy Ihnatko (02:03:32):
Had it's, it's coming along. As a matter of fact, I've accidentally gotten like a, a, a gotten like a, a <laugh> extra motivation because on, on the radio last week so, oh, a reader asked, oh, I understand. You're working on something. I was like, oh yeah. And, and it was one of those, you, you, you do radio, you know, that like when you drop on, so, oh, by the, we we're, we're 30 seconds until commercial, but Hey, what? What's that like? Yeah. Quick, I I'm I'm relaunching stuff. Stay tuned is nothing to announce yet, but yeah, definitely, definitely check back later. I'm like, oh, okay. I guess, I guess I really do have to do this in the, on my, on the, a little bit on the regular timeline. Yeah. It's, it's great. It's great. When you just have this private thing that you're working on and that you don't, you're not gonna take the reps off it's but at some point you do have to publish. I understand. So, yeah. It's it's coming along. It's coming along

Leo Laporte (02:04:17):
Publish or perish. Andrew.

Andy Ihnatko (02:04:21):
Good, good art. What it's Steve jobs said. Good artist. Great artist

Leo Laporte (02:04:25):
Ship. Actually. Good artist ship. Great artist steel. No, no. That's something else. Commercial

Andy Ihnatko (02:04:31):
Artist shipped commercial, commercial artists, subcontract <laugh>. There

Leo Laporte (02:04:36):
You go. Rene Ritchie of course has his own YouTube channel, youtube.com/Rene Ritchie, where he is working all

Speaker 4 (02:04:44):
The time to create great content for you. Anything else? Anything coming up, but you got, you did the product shocker. We saw that. Yeah. I, well, I've been working on my animations now because I wanna do a better job explaining things to love that most recently I've been doing a and YouTube is interesting. I spend most of my day figuring out how to take educational videos and wrap them up in YouTube candy. So people will actually click on them and then gimme a shot at, at, at explaining things. So I did like a big Bluetooth explainer, and then I did a big lightning versus USBC versus mag safe explainer. And then yesterday I did my biggest one, I think ever, which was an OED versus mini L E D versus micro L E D Ooh. Problems with all of them, but also like the technologies and hopes for the future and how you mitigate them and where they use them. And it was a lot of fun for me. Oh, that's cool.

Leo Laporte (02:05:29):
What are you using to the animation

Speaker 4 (02:05:32):
I'm actually doing 'em straight and final coach. I know it's gonna make Alex so disappointed in me because I'm not even doing them in keynote or in motion, I'm doing them straight and final cut because I'm an old timeline animator that's. But I, I like, I have like, like you see, like the subpixels I have like RGB Stripe, Apple's weird Apple watch version of Stripe. Samsung's S Stripe, the the what do they call them? The penile you kind of need

Leo Laporte (02:05:55):
Illustrations. You can't talk about that stuff. You have to actually show it. So this is a perfect, and I perfect place to do this. I do like really

Speaker 4 (02:06:02):
Fake simulations of what it looks like when all that pixels decay and the blue pixel decays faster <laugh> you know, or, or things bloom or why burning happens. All those things. It's a lot of fun.

Leo Laporte (02:06:11):
And he even labels 'em fake simulation. <Laugh> super fake simulation.

Leo Laporte (02:06:16):
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