iOS Today 821 Transcript

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Mikah Sargent [00:00:00]:
Coming up on iOS Today, it's time to talk about Siri AI, and I've got a great guest who can tell us all about it. Stay tuned.

Matthew Casinelli [00:00:10]:
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Mikah Sargent [00:00:17]:
This is TWiT. This is iOS Today, episode 821, with Matthew Casinelli and me, Micah Sargent, recorded Tuesday, September 22nd, 2026. for Thursday, September 24th, 2026, teaching Siri AI to use your apps. Hello and welcome to iOS Today. This is the show where we talk all things iOS, iPadOS, watchOS, HomePod OS, sort of. I am your host, Micah Sargent, and I am joined this week by, well, a former co-host of mine, the wonderful, the brilliant Matthew Casinelli.

Matthew Casinelli [00:01:00]:
Hi. Hello, Micah. It's a pleasure to be here.

Mikah Sargent [00:01:03]:
Pleasure to have you. My God, look at that beautiful office. That looks great.

Matthew Casinelli [00:01:08]:
Thank you.

Mikah Sargent [00:01:09]:
Yeah, that's a shot and a half. I don't know if they still do that Shot Rater or whatever it's called, Room Rater. I don't know. But you, 10 out of 10 on my books.

Matthew Casinelli [00:01:17]:
Appreciate it.

Mikah Sargent [00:01:18]:
Yeah, absolutely. So I want to sit on that couch. It looks comfy. Anyway, let's get into it. Very, very excited because of course Apple has released its software updates its 27 releases. And with those come a new beta that exists that is Siri AI. It's been out now for about a week. And I think it's fair to say this is the first time in years that people may be at the very least interested, if not excited, to talk to Siri.

Mikah Sargent [00:01:58]:
I know at least that was the case for me. There was one journalist, David Pogue, who ran 125 tests on Siri and said it was a phone changer, like a game changer, but for a phone. Some of them, some of the sort of things that you're supposed to be able to do, he struggled with, but a lot of it was working and a lot of it was impressive. I felt the same way. I was surprised that it was possible to do so much with Siri these days. And part of that we're going to learn comes by way of what developers are doing to make it so that Siri can interact with them. Joining, as I said, us today, and I'm really excited to be able to talk to you about this, Matthew, is Siri AI and App Intents. I was hoping that we could start by talking about, you know, for anyone who has not ever written? Well, actually, no, let's, let's wait for the questions.

Mikah Sargent [00:03:04]:
I want to get your first initial take. First of all, have you, were you running the betas over the summer? Have you been trying Siri AI? And what is your take on where Siri AI is for you?

Matthew Casinelli [00:03:17]:
Absolutely. Uh, I'll say the very first thing is just finally, because this has been something that they announced in 2024 and we've been waiting for this new Siri with deeper understanding and personal context, and she can take actions within your apps. The overall broad Siri experience is definitely just on a base level much better. Using the word broad is in my mind because she has what's called broad world knowledge now, where it's basically instead of saying, I'm sorry, I don't understand that, and trying to look something up and just handing you Google search results, she can actually go look up that information and return it to you in the conversation. So at a base level, I think one of the first tests I did was I was outside on my scooter, and there's a series of button taps that you have to press to change it between fast and slow mode, but I just didn't remember. So I asked Siri, and she went and looked it up on the scooter website and told me the correct instructions. And then I could just move on with my moment rather than sitting there and looking through web pages to find out what the answer was. So at a base level, she can just understand what you're saying a lot better and then get some basic answers for you.

Matthew Casinelli [00:04:33]:
And that is just like, wow, you finally reached the bar of what we expect from Siri this entire time. So I think that's something I'm trying to be super honest about when talking about the Siri experience is just everybody's experience before is super valid that it can be pretty frustrating. Or when you just hear something like a digital assistant, it's like, yeah, it should be able to do things on your computer. And there's a lot that Siri couldn't do before. Mostly because in a lot of ways Apple came from a world of every app was its own silo and never interacted with anything else.

Mikah Sargent [00:05:09]:
For security reasons, right?

Matthew Casinelli [00:05:11]:
Totally. And now we're in like almost the exact opposite world where now anything your app does should work with Siri AI and every single feature or screen should be— you should be able to like ask Siri what's on the screen or open to it or take action on what you're seeing there. So it's a huge paradigm shift for— in a lot of ways. But I think that does mean that there's growing pains. There's— right now Siri only has, I think, 12 or so domains, which is a set of areas where she can like really understand what's happening because the App Store is like an infinite realm of possibility. So just to have her immediately be able to understand everything on the App Store. is a huge challenge. And rather than saying, hey, we'll do that, Apple's like, it only works with these things well the most, so you can rely on those.

Matthew Casinelli [00:06:06]:
And the rest, there is a Siri experience that can be had, but it's not perfectly seamless the way that we want now. So just to say, like, Siri AI, there's sort of this first year that you might not be able to do everything that you expect, but at the same time, she can do significantly more than she did before. And it's also up to developers to add support. So there might be certain apps that could add support but just haven't done it yet this year versus there's other ones that can't add support. And so there's a little bit of a give and take. But as always, ask your developers to add support for it because now they can. And that's a good— that's a huge difference.

Mikah Sargent [00:06:49]:
That was going to be my next kind of curiosity was what you ask, uh, or what people can do if they want the app that they use to be able to work better with Siri. Um, getting into it, the beta, uh, Siri AI as part of the sort of in its beta phase has been around since September 14th. It came to the English language first. French, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, and Spanish are supposed to be coming in October with the launch of 27.1. There's personal context, on-screen awareness, world knowledge, and of course, app actions. And the standalone Siri app, which I don't know, I'm still kind of eh about the Siri app. It has like all of your conversation history, it syncs through iCloud, and it doesn't, like, I don't know, I thought there'd be more going on in the Siri app, to be honest with you. But it's more just a place to kind of look back and see where there have been successes and where there have been failures.

Matthew Casinelli [00:08:01]:
Mm-hmm.

Mikah Sargent [00:08:02]:
There were some app actions that hit at launch, including WhatsApp and Audible. And there are, you know, some big apps that are on their way, include Microsoft Outlook, Notability, and Tripsy. may have seen some changes there as well. And then I wanted to mention, of course, that this is the Apple Foundation Models. Those have been built with Google's Gemini, and they work both on-device and through private cloud compute. Interestingly, those Foundation Models are also part of macOS. And I had a heck of a time because you can actually, if you open up your terminal and you're running GoldenGate, if you— type in FM and hit enter, that's for foundation models. It'll tell you you have to agree to the terms of service.

Mikah Sargent [00:09:00]:
It's a special terms of service specific to the foundation models. And then upon doing so, you can type in FM spacebar chat, enter, and it opens up a chat box with the foundation model. And boy howdy, is that thing stupid. I was, uh, I, I, you know, just wanted to see what it was able to do. And there's one thing that it does where it's— it can tell you, like, it tells you how many tokens a spe— you know, a specific sentence or phrase has, right?

Matthew Casinelli [00:09:34]:
Mm-hmm.

Mikah Sargent [00:09:35]:
And, uh, I asked it a simple question, um, and it was able to answer the question, which is funny. Uh, but then I said, how many tokens are there in this phrase. And it said, I think it said, I think it said 8 tokens in the phrase. And I said, okay, that's interesting because there are only 7 words and there's no punctual— I didn't add any punctuation or anything like that. It was just the 7 words. I said, could you give me a breakdown of that? And it literally said 1, and then it showed the word 2, and it showed the word 3, and it showed the word all the way down to 7, and it showed the word. And then its next response to me was, There are 8 tokens. And I said—

Matthew Casinelli [00:10:20]:
The 8th token was that there are 8 or no? Yeah.

Mikah Sargent [00:10:23]:
It didn't even say that. It was like, it just showed a count of 7 and then it goes, see, there are 8 tokens or something along those lines. And I said, explain yourself. And then it did it exactly the same way again. And so then I was like, okay, this is silly. Real quick to requirements. It does require an iPhone 15 Pro or later, an M1 or Uh, or later iPad or Mac, also iPad mini. That's the A17 Pro.

Mikah Sargent [00:10:49]:
That also means, um, that older devices do not have access to Siri AI. It's not available on iPhone or iPad in the EU at launch, but I think the Mac has it.

Matthew Casinelli [00:11:01]:
Yeah. Which is interesting. Because the Mac isn't essentially, isn't popular enough to reach gatekeeper status in the EU.

Mikah Sargent [00:11:08]:
It's got a platform god in it.

Matthew Casinelli [00:11:10]:
Yeah. So, so that is a major thing that developers can at least test there, and it is basically the same experience. The only real difference is like you'd have to make a macOS version. Maybe, I mean, you could do like the iPad version on Mac, um, but that is— that does help a lot just because it's really the issue that I see is even though you can build the support for developer parts now and then just add the Siri AI part later, unless people actually have that end-to-end experience, they don't really like see the vision and adopt it, actually. Like, it's an interesting thing because my whole premise for developers is that you have been able to add basically full support for the last 2 years, except for the part where Siri can understand it. But until that actually happens, like, people aren't actually motivated to move forward in a lot of ways. So that's a little odd for developers, but it's a human thing. It's like, until it actually works, why would you add the full support? is pretty natural.

Mikah Sargent [00:12:14]:
Yeah, that seems fair for sure.

Matthew Casinelli [00:12:16]:
Yeah.

Mikah Sargent [00:12:17]:
Um, let's see.

Matthew Casinelli [00:12:19]:
Well, let's talk about the foundation model part because the— what is important is that the way it's named is intentional for Apple, that they've started with the foundational tasks of AI and have tried to solve those at the smallest levels on the device rather than going for frontier world knowledge where they can understand anything and solve like mathematical proofs. They're like, how do you— if you take a text, a block of text and summarize it, can we do this accurately? And so specifically for developers, a lot of what they're supposed to do is take in a large amount of information, split it out into what are just foundational tasks of doing simple summarization, and then merging those back together into a larger AI response. So something like doing them, accessing the models directly in the terminal, it's if you're trying to do something that is essentially like 4 tasks in one, it won't be able to handle it because it's designed to be chained like a workflow in a lot of ways, like shortcuts as a specific task. So even for a simple way that users can apply this in their own methodology is in shortcuts. There are Apple Intelligence Actions that let you tap into both directly use model, which you can do cloud, and then a new Cloud Pro that's even smarter on device, or even third-party AI assistants. Like there is an extension for ChatGPT now, and we have seen, there's someone on Twitter, I can find it and put it in the show notes in a second. It's PDFU who does like Mac rumors, forum stuff has found the Claude extension for macOS.

Mikah Sargent [00:14:06]:
Oh.

Matthew Casinelli [00:14:07]:
Behind a bar. So like, it is— Siri will be a front end for any AI experience, is sort of— that's how Apple's like sits on top and wants to basically own every opportunity, just like they kind of do with the App Store as well. Um, because it's like, if you're going to use the iPhone, we need to make sure it's secure. But to go back to the Shortcuts actions, they also have all the Write with Siri functionality as like Adjust Tone, Make List, Make Table, Proofread, Rewrite, Summarize. And actually my favorite, inside Summarize, there's a feature called Create Key Points. And what it does do is if you give it like a 100-page PDF and you said Create Key Points, it will comprehensively make a list of every single key point, which is something that—

Mikah Sargent [00:14:58]:
That's cool.

Matthew Casinelli [00:14:58]:
I don't like about meeting summarization tools is they'll like summarize all the points, but I'm like, those 10, those like the 25 points that we actually made are all important and every single point needs to be captured, not a summary of those.

Mikah Sargent [00:15:13]:
Right.

Matthew Casinelli [00:15:13]:
And so like even just in your shortcuts, you can manually create like a better version of what you would want the AI to respond with by chaining together like proofreading summarization, take all the key points and then make a comprehensive list down below. But then we have a summary up top And stuff like that. So it's, it's cool that Apple, both in the terminal and in Shortcuts, gives you access to these models.

Mikah Sargent [00:15:38]:
Yeah. In fact, one of the things that I did early on, I liked that— I liked the idea that Microsoft had with Windows Recall. I liked the idea. obviously did not like the execution and the implementation.

Matthew Casinelli [00:16:00]:
Totally. And it was something that, you know, the screenshots in a local folder on your computer. Yeah, exactly.

Mikah Sargent [00:16:06]:
Bad, bad, bad. And so I, I, I don't want to use the word. I don't like vibe coded. I think it sounds so silly, but I vibe coded a much more privacy focused, much more security minded version of that that I called Mac Recall. And part of what it did was it had all— like, I'm not going to get into it because it had all these things that sort of gated certain apps that they weren't even included as part of the, the, you know, pulling. But the most important thing and the thing that made it worthwhile was that I was able to use the foundation models like what you're talking about there to do, you know, near bare metal AI processing of these images in a special encrypted location. that would look at the photo and do that image analysis. And then what came out of all of that was processed by Claude so that it was not, A, using up as much of the usage and all these other things.

Mikah Sargent [00:17:13]:
But it was— I, I was really impressed with how much, how much like practicality is built into the foundation models. That was a really cool thing and that so much of it can happen locally on device and doesn't need to go to the cloud.

Matthew Casinelli [00:17:29]:
Totally. I think in the long run, that will be a very, like, almost one of the most important things possible about what Apple's doing, even just to, like, not to bring data centers into it, but, like, there is a huge part where more and more the foundational tasks will become much bigger tasks than simple summarization, and things will happen locally on our devices where we don't need to go out to a frontier model. And as especially with the distribution of iPhones, like everybody just using foundation models can like make a big difference in the how much we rely on third-party servers and things like that that we have to call out to. So, and I think it's since the launch of this originally, like these are in many ways still the foundational tasks from 2024, like with better models behind them now. But we're seeing a lot more advanced— I mean, AI changes every single week in a lot of ways. And so Apple's schedule is the other weirdness, as like they're sort of doing things year over year, which is like, a year is a long time. It's like dog years with AI.

Mikah Sargent [00:18:41]:
Yeah.

Matthew Casinelli [00:18:41]:
There's 7 years per year here. And like, so like Apple's, even though they're like now caught up, even in the last week, they're, they're now what, 4 months behind in dog years? Because Jev just came out. I don't know. There's so many tiny, like, so many optimizations, but the more and more that goes local, the more and more powerful your iPhone will be able, like, to be with all these, especially when having a whole plugin ecosystem through the App Store. Um, there's so much. Um, even so, just the other point about you're saying about Microsoft Recall, that's in a lot of ways what personal context is with Yeah. And just, it's the simplest way to think about it is the actions from your app are the App Actions part. And then just the data that's in your apps is your personal context.

Matthew Casinelli [00:19:34]:
And App Intents is designed— I guess I haven't— we haven't said App Intents too much, but it's almost— that's the developer term for it. It's almost not relevant.

Mikah Sargent [00:19:42]:
I was wondering why App Actions was this sort of—

Matthew Casinelli [00:19:45]:
It's just engineering.

Mikah Sargent [00:19:46]:
It's new to me.

Matthew Casinelli [00:19:47]:
Intent is like, what are you planning to do? What you do is you take action. It is an action. Like, this is— it took me so— like, just connecting the basic terminology. This is actually why I joined Workflow originally.

Mikah Sargent [00:20:01]:
Oh.

Matthew Casinelli [00:20:01]:
Was like, how do you translate what these variables and things in workflows are to normal people? It's like in the same way, the intent of what you do in an app is just a generic word for action. But it's like more accurate in engineering terms. And even if you like look at AI research, like that's what LLMs are doing is trying to understand the intent of your words.

Mikah Sargent [00:20:25]:
Yeah, yeah.

Matthew Casinelli [00:20:26]:
So like Apple was playing in this space intentionally for years. It just didn't really look like it because it came out, like the developer stuff came out in 2024. It's always been called Custom Intents before that. So like, but the personal context part is your, on the developer side, it's called App Entities. This is why we don't, They call it personal context. It's way smarter.

Mikah Sargent [00:20:48]:
Oh.

Matthew Casinelli [00:20:48]:
Because entity is just a generic term for any type of information. Like content is not accurate because that is like a format version. That's like describing the format. And so, like, as an abstract word, an entity can be anything. So it's more like in your apps, what can you do and what data is there? That's the basic things that Siri needs to understand in order to interact with your apps. And then the on-screen awareness is just like when you're looking at something, what entities are visible? Is it just one or is there multiple? And so then she can, as long as developers declare like, hey, here's what you can see on screen, then she can be like, oh, okay, I'm looking at a note. I know what to do with notes. here's a— there's a bunch of apps that provide notes functionality.

Matthew Casinelli [00:21:42]:
If you always use Bear, or like you specify Bear, or I can always ask which one did you need, then Siri can take it and put it into that correct spot. So it's a very like— the engineering part, it is like so over-engineered and just very specialized to make any app on the App Store have all of their actions and data available. But in order to do that, they essentially had to like thread the needle through App Intents. And then on the other side, you get that full Siri experience of— it's, it's like, it is just Siri Shortcuts, like what they launched years ago, but with AI on top. And then Siri can take all of the actions and weave them together like your AI agents can. And a lot of this just wasn't really even like good enough until last November for most AI tools. And especially for the bar that Apple wants to set, it needs to work and not fail and not ruin the iPhone experience too. So they kind of did take time to make sure it really was reliable.

Matthew Casinelli [00:22:52]:
Like your phone and the battery life and all that is, is different than the desktop app. calling like ChatGPT servers, they— that can handle a lot more bandwidth than your phone can. Um, so it's really like the technology did just catch up to the right place, and Apple's been laying out the pipelines for all the developer stuff for years. Um, but it's the same even at a meta level. Like, it— well, yeah, not, not Meta Muse, but, um, just the problem that weirdly had is like, I have a weird relationship in this entire ecosystem by being the Shortcuts guy and like trying to get developers to adopt it. But it wasn't really good on the developer side early on. And then it's like, I was like, hey guys, App Intents is really cool. And people are like, okay, Matthew, like have fun with Shortcuts.

Matthew Casinelli [00:23:45]:
And I'm like, no, this is like what Apple Intelligence is going to be. And the entire Siri AI experience. You called it. And it also, it's just because it is literally Siri Shortcuts with AI too. So like the weirdest part is that anytime you take an action in Siri, you should like be able to open up Shortcuts and search for that action by name and find it from your app. And the whole describe a shortcut experience is just like you asking Siri to complete an action and she will go combine it, the steps inside Shortcuts now with AI and figure out from your apps what's there and make you a shortcut or an automation too. So like, it's, it's the best of both possible worlds, but it's sort of like I've been saying, I'm the boy who cried wolf and now like the wolf is here and people are like, all right.

Mikah Sargent [00:24:38]:
Like, yeah. Yeah. Um, let's talk a little bit about some of the stuff that people have been doing thus far.

Matthew Casinelli [00:24:48]:
Sure.

Mikah Sargent [00:24:48]:
First and foremost, I mentioned David Pogue's piece. We'll include a link in the show notes. But David Pogue was able to, for example, get restaurant recommendations out of old texts, get gift ideas out of notes, reminders of what people are waiting on. So you can kind of get, oh, what have I missed? What have I not missed? I think a big thing that'll make a difference, it makes me talk to Siri more, compound commands. First, put it on my calendar and email Jenny for a follow-up. And then those on-screen requests. So, hey, can you take this recipe I'm looking at and make me a grocery list out of it? Really nice. Now, Uber and Venmo, there was an old version of Siri that could interact with those apps, those services directly.

Mikah Sargent [00:25:45]:
And so because of that, it's a little bit different now. Um, they don't, they don't quite work like they used to. And perhaps that's still kind of in the works, uh, going forward. And of course, uh, the Health app doesn't have the full wiring yet, uh, which I think is interesting. Um, you know, privacy concerns obviously are an aspect there. Um, there's also a great guide that we'll include in the show notes, uh, from 9to5Mac, a list of 100+ things that Siri AI can do. So if you're looking for sort of inspiration, You can check that out as well. All right.

Mikah Sargent [00:26:22]:
In a minute, I'm going to ask Matthew some different questions regarding his work and thoughts on where things stand with Siri AI and App Intents. That is up next. All right. So, Matthew, we've talked about what App Intents are now, App Actions are, how they work. I wanted to ask you first, In the transition from kind of old-school Siri with these wired-on modules for things like Uber and Venmo, why do those commands now kind of break? And from your work with like the workflow team, for example, do you know like who is there— whose job is it to fix that stuff? Should people expect that that's going to come in like a point update, or is this something that could happen on the backend to get that stuff rolling, or do you know?

Matthew Casinelli [00:27:24]:
Yeah, I think those original parts you're referring to were SiriKit specifically, which is the pre-App Intents way to do it, where they essentially almost did the same thing for a specific set of domains, but it just wasn't built to be expanded upon. So they did have a lot of those like ride booking, um, the Venmo things. I still— it still might be there in form because they can ride off the back of what Apple Pay is doing. Um, I also think— I don't remember if SiriKit is fully deprecated yet, just because it's not, it's not necessary to kill it until it's actually got a proper replacement. Um, There was also just a level of like Uber in particular's motivations might have changed around supporting that fully as opposed to like, 'cause they were really early on, like not like riding off of the app, like obviously Uber doesn't make sense without the iPhone in most ways, but I think they just had a closer partnership, whereas like Uber's a very mature, even though it's, I don't know, I still think of it almost as a startup, but like they're still— a massive, massive company. So that there— a lot of times what happens with even the Siri AI experiences now is like the political motivation to adopt it, or just like the business strategic one, isn't necessarily perfectly aligned with Apple wanting you to do everything in their service all the time. Just because even something like Venmo is like, maybe part of the experience of seeing the feed is really important to like creating long-term user experience versus just being a place to transact or something like that. Um, I do— I think it is accurate that health, finances, travel are not domains that are supported at all right now.

Matthew Casinelli [00:29:21]:
So even like David Pogue stuff is like, while he, while he correctly expects anything to work, like Apple's response would be like, it is that he got like the exact amount correct because those other parts aren't supported. There's no health domain, there's no finances one. I think in the biggest— my like basic thing that I've been saying to people is if Apple gets those wrong, it will be a bad time. If Siri spends $1,000 that you don't have, like that's not good. That's a huge, huge issue. If she gives you incorrect health information, you could die. Like, they're not going to do those lightly.

Mikah Sargent [00:29:59]:
Yeah, yeah.

Matthew Casinelli [00:29:59]:
Travel also is just like, you're in the wrong country. Like it didn't book. Like there's just every like nightmare PR story or just—

Mikah Sargent [00:30:07]:
Yeah.

Matthew Casinelli [00:30:08]:
Not just their motivation isn't PR, it's also just humans and like not creating a bad experience that can have significant impact on your life. So I do think those, like while every company is motivated to have their thing work with Siri AI as soon as possible, I understand why they didn't do those domains right away. Um, yeah, like Tripsy is actually one of my clients and they don't have— they have— what's even more confusing is like the app, the domains part is only for app actions. Personal context and on-screen awareness can all be adopted by any app right now.

Mikah Sargent [00:30:44]:
Hmm.

Matthew Casinelli [00:30:45]:
It's whether or not she correctly can then take that on-screen item and pass it into an app action is like not exactly there. But there's a lot more that developers can do even than it seems because that domain limitation is on the action side, not the entity side. There's so many— I'm trying to not overstate things too simply. No, that's fine. What's confusing about App Intense is every single developer thing, it comes in from a different angle while not necessarily all accounting for each other on the developer side. Like, Apple's own implementations are solving specific problems versus like, it probably does need a bit of like a wrap-up around the whole thing in future to make it simpler so that these things, like if you add on-screen awareness, you get this for free sort of stuff. Um, because it is, it takes a lot to adopt this properly right now. So even that, you— some people might have one detail of App Intents incorrect in their implementation, and so it seems like Siri can't do this, but they— it could have if they got it right or whatever.

Mikah Sargent [00:31:56]:
It's a—

Matthew Casinelli [00:31:56]:
that's what I was saying, it's a big shift, and I feel like it will settle by the time Siri is fully out of beta. And even things like, there's a rumored HomePod with the screen coming out that Yeah. Will probably use App Intents. There's a feature called interactive snippets that to me— I mean, there's been the rumor mill for the home pop-up screen for a long time. And then when I see the developer session where they're like, here's basically an on-demand widget where you can go through the different interactions in one experience, I was like, wow, this would work really well if you had a screen that popped up and you could just interact with this app. And you're never even— not even on your device at all. It's a really weird thing to think about for developers that it's technically taking your iPhone app and sending it off to another screen remotely. But that's totally enabled by something like App Intents and Siri AI that was just never possible before.

Matthew Casinelli [00:32:57]:
She even explains they can't release it in September because no developers. have adopted it yet, but in October or November we might get it. And then all these apps have been running into all the issues with Siri AI for the last month and fixed it all and kind of got it all ready, and then it should all just work sort of thing. So it's a cool experience. It's, it's a very, very powerful thing, but it's very hard to figure out.

Mikah Sargent [00:33:24]:
And that's where you come in with, with App Intents optimization. Uh, do you see App Intents Optimization, AIO, is the new SEO.

Matthew Casinelli [00:33:35]:
Maybe. I was—

Mikah Sargent [00:33:36]:
I—

Matthew Casinelli [00:33:36]:
that's, uh, on my website. I think I was trying to do— I'm trying to like brand a little bit. Uh, there's also— I've seen, um, I mean, like the Agent Score is another thing that for websites who have like MCP or apps, um, how well they adopt all the features. I've sort of been trying to figure out the same thing for iOS that is just like You need to make sure that this is all correct. Otherwise, if someone is asking Siri and then they want to use your app, but they have another third-party app that does it better, it'll go to that app and they'll create all new relationships with different services that did it better or just were there at all. If you're not playing in the AI space, you are invisible in a lot of ways, especially on mobile. Whether or not that's a good thing overall for like the app economy is, I'm not sure, but it's still like competition creates better experiences for users. And I've been living in the world of Shortcuts for 10 years and wanting all of this this entire time.

Matthew Casinelli [00:34:42]:
Like Shortcuts and Workflow provided the kind of, specifically there's actions called Find in Shortcuts where you can have a bunch of filters for my calendar events from in between 2007 and 2022, but only Wednesdays. And like those kind of deep filters you— we've had available in workflows and Shortcuts for over 10 years. And that's the kind of what really powers the deep context understanding of Siri AI now.

Mikah Sargent [00:35:13]:
Mm-hmm.

Matthew Casinelli [00:35:14]:
So like for people who have ever been interested in Shortcuts, like this is almost like the start of where it should have been if we weren't— like, didn't already exist by acquisition. That Shortcuts now and what Siri enables is full access to all your apps and all the functionality from everything on the App Store. And it's a super rich, powerful experience that also, like, is secure and you have control over it, but there isn't— someone else poking into your operating system and pulling all this data out. Like, this is why Apple has been scared about the EU trying to get them to add, like, enable OpenAI to have full access to your app intents, because then it could just literally query everything in all of your apps and, like, put it onto their servers. Versus what I was mentioning before, like, the Claude on macOS thing is it's a handoff experience. where you can, instead of using private cloud compute, you use OpenAI or Claude or Fable, like whichever model you want, but it's still handed off through the system through something like App Intents. And that gives me, like, I can sleep at night knowing about this. Even because, like, the weird literal part that I think is just fun to share for people who don't know is the people who built this from the Shortcuts team who are much smarter than me.

Matthew Casinelli [00:36:44]:
Like, I did the marketing, and I still am to some degree. But, um, they— the team that made App Intents also originally has left Apple and went to OpenAI, and they are behind computer use and a lot of the advanced functionality right now.

Mikah Sargent [00:37:01]:
Yes.

Matthew Casinelli [00:37:01]:
So it is like we're seeing the same thing from multiple companies. And, and like Siri can't do computer use yet, But like, it's, it's all built off of the technology that they knew about because it's Apple's accessibility APIs are what makes it possible. Or there's a new Safari MCP. So like, it's very interesting to see where Siri will go. It— the— I think it is like we're in the weird chicken and egg situation right now though, where like developers are still like— I mean, Siri's the— I don't know, that metaphor is immediately going to break down, but, um, Siri, Siri is just like got people there in a way that wasn't— there wasn't motivation to do this at scale, and there just wasn't the agent part. Like Siri can be an agent across your apps now, and she's not as intelligent as all of the latest models that get released every week, but there you can extrapolate into the future that like what I said for the last year is I'm like we have ChatGPT in cloud code over here right now. Like, the technology exists. This isn't theoretical anymore.

Matthew Casinelli [00:38:08]:
It is like whether or not it's in Siri and she's doing it yet can also come down to Apple's schedules and things like that. But the way they have their hooks into all of mobile, and also like people are using AI to build iPhone apps, that's the other part that's funny to me.

Mikah Sargent [00:38:28]:
Mm-hmm.

Matthew Casinelli [00:38:28]:
And like, why aren't— but I understand that this whole whole API and even just the opportunity of App Intents as something like MCP is for every other AI tool. Or I don't know, that's not the end-all be-all, but it's very much the same opportunity for mobile. And but developers need to like go all out on it. And the, the one specific thing that is sort of why people didn't do it is the interim strategy of Siri from 2022 to 2026 was App Shortcuts. It's an instance of an app intent that's already created. It's very much like— I've called them Matt Shortcuts because this is what I would do, is I would take all these app actions and go make a bunch of shortcuts and give them to people so that they're already available to Siri. And instead of you having to go make shortcuts, developers would just predefine a version of that that is available in Shortcuts and Siri. And but like They didn't tell anybody.

Matthew Casinelli [00:39:27]:
It was never said outside of the developer sessions or into the keynotes, except for the last few, that like, this is how Siri works. And also just like wasn't good enough is probably why. Like you had to specify, say, do this in this app. And if you didn't say the exact phrase or in this app, it just wouldn't understand still. So like it was a bridge in between there and now.

Mikah Sargent [00:39:51]:
Mm-hmm.

Matthew Casinelli [00:39:53]:
But it's all the same tech under the hood. And it's— there's 45 ways you can build into your app right now that people are— the App Store specifically recommended you only do your key features. And now it's like, do everything. And that, that is holding people back because they come in now and say, I'll just do my key features with Siri AI. And it's like, no, you should be able to— like in Notes, you can change from the grid view to the list view with Siri as opposed to like— people are like, why would you add that? And it's like, because I want to do it. Like, I always hate that with developers is it's like, I don't know if people are going to use this. It's like, you don't know until you make it for them and let them try.

Mikah Sargent [00:40:34]:
Right.

Matthew Casinelli [00:40:35]:
And now it's like Siri will do it. Like, that's the big part is it's not on a user to figure it out. She'll in the moment be like, oh, this would work better in the grid view and like switch it for you. And like, that's the cool That's the cool part too. It's funny you can build them in Shortcuts and manually choose it, which you can't do with other AI tools.

Mikah Sargent [00:40:54]:
Like, it's funny that you bring up— I was going to ask you sort of what, what are some of the mistakes that you see developers make, but you're kind of touching on sort of mistakes, I think, on both ends. I wanted to ask you because you just took a trip, and can you tell us about the work you were doing?

Matthew Casinelli [00:41:15]:
Sure. Um, I just spoke at NS Spain, which is a developer conference in Logroño, Spain, which is a— I don't know, I don't know if it's a small town necessarily, but it's about 4 hours away from Madrid. Um, first of all, I will just say like this city is incredible. They, they always host this conference on the week of the San Mateo Wine Festival, And so at the end of the conference, I have a video where we literally go into a town square where they shoot off rockets and play amazing Spanish music, and everybody throws wine in the air and starts cheering. And everybody wears white shirts because they're all going to get covered in wine. And there's a whole weekend of drinking and having great food, and it's actually fantastic. But it's a whole developer conference just around different types, like any developer conference would be. But I've been going for the— I went 2 years ago and did a talk called Preparing Your App for Apple Intelligence.

Matthew Casinelli [00:42:18]:
And then this year I gave a talk called Preparing Your App for Siri AI, with the headline being like, trust me guys, it's really here this time. Because it was a lot of what I said 2 years ago was the same that I'm saying now of you need to build everything in your app out for Siri AI. And you can— then it was like, you can do this now and you'll be ready. And I will say, like, Tripsy was my client and they did have to just do minimal updates rather than understanding from scratch how do you add trips, rides, all these different things into the app intents experience. Yeah, I've been trying to tell developers how to do it because there's so many different levels. There's so many features that even just came out this year to make it all work for the whole series-specific experience. Um, I have a framework that's called CRUDFun that's in many— in any service and software application, CRUD is called— it's a framework for like create, read, update, and delete. That's what you're doing with most services.

Matthew Casinelli [00:43:28]:
And then those find and navigation, like open and search options, that's the FN. And then the U was just sort of like your app's unique functionality. Plus, at a meta level, it's like some of this is crud you have to get through, but there's fun on the other side also, um, as long as you do it. And it's true too that agentic coding makes a lot of the problems with App Intents a lot easier. There— it still doesn't design them correctly. That was one of my major points, that how you do something like an add action, if you have 5 different types, you need to have a specific way to set it up. Otherwise you end up with like 200 actions, and that's just not useful to anyone. There is a specific way to make them dynamic.

Matthew Casinelli [00:44:16]:
You kind of have to go through the eye of the needle to get back out to the other side with app shortcuts or all of your personal contacts from your apps, that can all be made available to Siri too, but you have to do it in the right way. And then, yeah, otherwise it's just sort of about picking a domain that's available to you now or otherwise adding all the support that you can, just except for those domains. And then as soon as the domain hits, you just apply it to your existing apps. actions and it'll all work. Um, so particularly developers just don't know that you can do things like Apple Pay in App Intents. You can buy things in your apps. You can have order confirmation. People can choose and pick between different options.

Matthew Casinelli [00:45:09]:
That's like— I am seeing now AI tools are trying to figure out how to provide these same type of experiences To anyone. The whole world of AI and just all software is much broader than the specific ways that Apple software works. But in a lot of ways, you can build a lot more great experiences in Siri AI now than people realize, even without having— Siri can't understand some of the domains yet, but whatever all those finance travel actions, you can still design that all. Now. So yeah, it's super exciting. The trip to Spain too was super nice. All the people are incredible. I would say if anyone's ever— if you're a developer, you should sign up and go.

Matthew Casinelli [00:45:55]:
There's already one for next year. And then also, if anyone's interested in speaking, they're great at helping both experienced speakers and new ones get a chance to sort of tell their story and get on stage. It's pretty cool to be an international conference speaker. Like, I'm always just like, hell yeah.

Mikah Sargent [00:46:13]:
Yeah, that's absolutely cool. All right, let's see, moving along, give us a quick pitch for, hey, the Vibe Coders and the developers who watch this show on what you can help them do.

Matthew Casinelli [00:46:34]:
Sure. I mean, in a lot of ways, I found myself waiting for everybody to add shortcuts for it. And I was like, wait, I should just go help the developers directly because that makes a lot more sense. I can help build App Intents end to end. In a lot of ways, I spent hundreds of hours figuring this all out. And my goal is to just save everybody time and effort and really just know what you're doing is the correct choice. Also, that's something that AI can't necessarily— like, it'll confidently tell you that it got it right, but whether or not that's true is, uh, I can tell you also. So like, I think that's something that is unique now about that.

Matthew Casinelli [00:47:15]:
Um, but yeah, no, the— I— the other part that I'm currently in the process of is making a platform so that I can look at a code base and have my own agent go and build App Intents. Like, if I'm gonna get— if AI is gonna replace me, I might as well replace myself with my own AI that does this for everybody also. So like, I've been trying to teach it everything I know about App Intents so that it can go through and do what I do as a service, but just like in 10 seconds with AI rather than handheld through the whole process. But there's a— I'm trying to get that shipped to people too, and I'm also looking for like early design partners. So if anybody's interested in testing that out with me. But otherwise, as a service, I can help pretty much any company. Um, enterprise stuff is a bigger deal, but that's also something I've been sorting through. And yeah, my company is called Supercomputer.

Matthew Casinelli [00:48:07]:
Uh, supercomputer.tech is the website, and there's a basic process for like getting in there now. But yeah, I'm open to helping anybody if you need to make your app work with Siri AI.

Mikah Sargent [00:48:18]:
Beautiful. For those of you who are considering trying Siri AI, be aware that it does have a waitlist. If you have not gone in to ask for access, you go Settings, Siri, Try Siri AI Beta. Sometimes you'll get in within minutes, others it could take hours or days. It's sort of a variable waitlist. There's been some digging into it. You do get a notification when you're approved, and then at that point, the Siri app should install on its own. I wanna remind you though, If you're going back to older phones, you don't have access to it.

Mikah Sargent [00:48:56]:
So you do need to have an iPhone 15 Pro or later in order to make use of Siri AI. So even though they can update to the latest models or the latest versions all the way back to the 11, that does not mean that you have Siri AI support. There are some daily usage limits. It's kind of hard to tell exactly where they are. Apple hasn't published hard numbers yet. In fact, it says that limits vary depending on the feature that you're using, how complex the request is, and also system demand. If you do hit a limit, you will get the opportunity to come back to it after a timeout. So you can, you know, check it out again.

Mikah Sargent [00:49:43]:
Siri AI is part of this, of course. Intelligent photo editing, that's cleanup and extend and spatial reframing, Image Playground, and the Cloud and Cloud Pro models and Shortcuts are part of that with Apple's foundation models. And then of course, third-party apps that use Apple's foundation models, you are the one who is limited over a period of time. Soon there will be paid increased access options, but we don't know yet what the prices are going to be. Apple did say that higher iCloud Plus tiers would include increased access, and we'll have to kind of keep an eye on that. As far as where Siri AI doesn't work yet, of course, not on iPhone or iPad in the EU at launch, but the Mac, it does work. Not in China, still waiting for approval there, and not for users under 13. It's still English only for now.

Mikah Sargent [00:50:41]:
In October, that will change, and so we'll take a look then. Wait, I can hear the music. It's time for Shortcuts Corner. Welcome to Shortcuts Corner, the part of the show where you write in with your shortcuts requests and typically Rosemary Orchard, our shortcuts expert, provides a response. This week, things are a little different. I thought it'd be fun to have Matthew test out Siri AI and its ability to create shortcuts. Because Matthew, you are famously known for being someone who had thousands of shortcuts, and we used to talk about that regularly. And so I thought we could work on a shortcut together.

Mikah Sargent [00:51:35]:
Now, I was going to do it on my device, but I am running beta software, and Matthew has made me aware of the fact that it does not currently support the sort of full access to creating shortcuts that you get elsewhere. So because that's the case, Matthew, I'm going to ask you to do it on yours.

Matthew Casinelli [00:51:59]:
Sure.

Mikah Sargent [00:51:59]:
And I'm trying to think of something to do. So let me ask you this. Is it currently the case that your supercomputer You haven't— let me ask, like, if we go to your website, Supercomputer is not yet up, or is it?

Matthew Casinelli [00:52:20]:
You can't get the product as a service yet.

Mikah Sargent [00:52:23]:
Okay.

Matthew Casinelli [00:52:23]:
Um, no, it's in testing. I just like, I have a high bar, like I want it to work exactly well. And so I'm not— and it's just like, I've also vibe coded a lot of it. So I've been working with a team to make a proper version.

Mikah Sargent [00:52:37]:
Absolutely. So what if we did this? What if we made a Siri shortcut that was an automation that once a week visited— and to be clear, just for people who are listening, Safari offers this feature built in now, but we're going to build it as a shortcut instead.

Matthew Casinelli [00:53:00]:
I see what you mean. I see where you're going.

Mikah Sargent [00:53:01]:
So what I wanted to do is check your website once a week. for changes to the supercomputer page and then send a notification if, uh, it looks like— and I'm like, literally that— if it looks like the supercomputer, uh, supercomputer has launched. Do we think that that's something that we could ask Siri? I mean, it's definitely— no, it's an— ask Siri to do, but will it work? We'll see.

Matthew Casinelli [00:53:29]:
This is a great example. I mean, so So just so people aren't confused too, the Safari feature, you can like highlight parts of webpages and be like, hey, like let me know if this changes. So that's just a great thing in iOS 27. But I think what is confusing about Shortcuts is you do have to prompt it correctly. And so like the way that you said that, first of all, I'll say too that you can add automations in Shortcuts specific, like inside a shortcut. That is one thing that's very confusing about iOS 27 is The, the automations live in the shortcut that runs them themselves rather than being a separate part. But this is incredible because it means you can actually share automations now. And you know, that was never possible before.

Matthew Casinelli [00:54:13]:
It's like a 17-step tap process and just like telling that to someone, they're like, I'm not, I'm not gonna do that. Um, now you can share a shortcut and it'll just have that automation trigger in there. But so ours would be what you kind of said was like a time-based one where just once a week. We like check. So I'm going to dictate this prompt to Describe a Shortcut because I think that's where how you tell it what to do matters if it can understand what the task is.

Mikah Sargent [00:54:45]:
Definitely.

Matthew Casinelli [00:54:49]:
I'm going to start dictating now. Given the URL supercomputer.tech, Check for the main button, become a build partner, and whether or not it has changed. I'm stopping dictating just to aside say, like, I don't— prompting this in real time is also a challenge. It's difficult.

Mikah Sargent [00:55:16]:
Yeah, absolutely.

Matthew Casinelli [00:55:16]:
And so, like, who knows what it'll do, but I think I'm going to give it more instruction given that I know more About shortcuts. Download the webpage and look for the button in the HTML and then check if it contains the text become a build partner. Schedule this as an automation once a week and send off a notification if the website has changed. This is a great— I'm trying it now. This is a really ambitious, I will say, but like—

Mikah Sargent [00:55:56]:
It is.

Matthew Casinelli [00:55:57]:
Technically, technically it has all the primitives to be able to do something like that. Okay. At 9:00 AM weekly, it just took 3 seconds, by the way, and is now done. Get contents of supercomputer.tech. Check for a become a build partner text. Compare with previous state. Notify if changed. We might actually— you know what? Ooh, this is even— Micah, you're a genius.

Mikah Sargent [00:56:19]:
I'm a genius?

Matthew Casinelli [00:56:21]:
Yeah. Well, there's a new function in Shortcuts called storage that allows it to store like information in the shortcut itself rather than like— you could always write to iCloud or something, but like managing a file through the— I don't know, it starts to get messy.

Mikah Sargent [00:56:36]:
It's like a little database built in.

Matthew Casinelli [00:56:37]:
Yeah. So now it can get the supercomputer tech button state and if it's available, it will— it will like not do it. And if it's not there, it will. Let's see. Okay. Let's just check it. What it did, right— I don't know. It's the very basic flow is like at 9:00 a.m., get the content of the URL.

Mikah Sargent [00:57:00]:
Uh-huh.

Matthew Casinelli [00:57:00]:
Get the text from the URL. Match the word become a build partner. And then it's get the state. If the state is found, send the alert. If not, don't send the alert. I will say it probably isn't going to get it correct. Let's just check.

Mikah Sargent [00:57:18]:
Oh, do we have to remove the if 9 AM part since it's not 9 AM currently?

Matthew Casinelli [00:57:22]:
No, no, no, that's fine too. I was just like, whether or not they can find the direct text, what I would do as a developer is Like match it, like looking at the HTML and checking for the actual button existence versus like just the word on it.

Mikah Sargent [00:57:41]:
Yeah, I thought it was interesting that it said just find the text, but it did find it.

Matthew Casinelli [00:57:45]:
Yeah, no, it said that the button is found. I can't really like change it on the website. So let me say like, I'll just change the looking for the word live now. And if it doesn't show, Then it should like fail.

Mikah Sargent [00:57:59]:
So before you do change, let me ask you this.

Matthew Casinelli [00:58:01]:
It's now not found. Yeah. So it does.

Mikah Sargent [00:58:04]:
Yeah. So great.

Matthew Casinelli [00:58:04]:
It did do it.

Mikah Sargent [00:58:05]:
Did it do a good job on its own before? And let me, well, 2 questions. First of all, did it do a good job of translating what we were looking for into actual actions and also the right actions based on your expert knowledge of, of, of shortcuts? And then secondarily, How much easier was it afterward to make the slight adjustments that were needed versus having to just create it from wholesale?

Matthew Casinelli [00:58:32]:
I'd say it did do the correct, like, logical flow of steps. It didn't do the specificity that I would do as a developer in order to, like, make sure this doesn't break just from, like, a simple thing. But that's like, no, no, like, normal person would also think to do that. But in order to change this, unless you already knew this, you would not know how to change it correctly. But you can just prompt it to change it if it isn't working correctly. So that is what's cool is you can keep asking it to change itself if it's not working right. What is funny is the way it does some of the programming doesn't take advantage of like the capabilities of Shortcuts.

Mikah Sargent [00:59:20]:
Ah.

Matthew Casinelli [00:59:20]:
It, it builds it like a logical programmer would using text variables, but in Shortcuts you don't need to like get text out of an existing variable because it already is text. And so it can— you can— it adds in steps that I remove because Shortcuts like can account for it. And even like manually declaring variables at all isn't necessary because it can find them directly. But like, there are times where you would want to within it. Like, this is what I'm saying right now is 100% the reason I haven't made YouTube videos about shortcuts enough, because I'm actually just like explaining programming, not shortcuts.

Mikah Sargent [01:00:03]:
Right.

Matthew Casinelli [01:00:03]:
In a lot of ways. And it gets really confusing. But at the same time, this is a good example, like with AI, is it's like, like, it's done. It took 3 seconds. You didn't need to be me spending 10 years learning shortcuts in order to figure out how this works. It can do the thing immediately, like, and get essentially, like, to a good enough state, which is— I will say, like, the— there's a phrase, the Pareto principle is the 80/20 rule.

Mikah Sargent [01:00:30]:
Uh-huh.

Matthew Casinelli [01:00:30]:
And, like, this is 80% of the way, so it's good enough. Like, the last 20%, you could spend 80% more time optimizing on, but you would still only get it a little bit better versus like, this is sufficient. And as long as you have like a specific goal in mind and like might understand the limitations of the website changing and stuff, then it's like fine. But like, yeah, no, this, in order, this would, like, I didn't understand how to do logic like this for a while. And so like, it is the base level of doing this is there. I just specifically like, I wish I could help them because I was like, you guys need to take advantage of magic variables. Why are you declaring text in between them when the content graph allows for the variables to get the text directly from the variable? But like, so like it doesn't, but it's also like, I'm now even the guy who's like telling an AI that it's not using tabs versus spaces when it's like, who cares?

Mikah Sargent [01:01:32]:
That's right.

Matthew Casinelli [01:01:33]:
better in the long run.

Mikah Sargent [01:01:35]:
It works, yeah.

Matthew Casinelli [01:01:35]:
It's more just like, if this is— they could do it better based off of what it has. And then I think just the, like, getting it to— it'd be like, hey, just so you know, this might not be reliable because the text— like, I don't know, the other, like, context around how you program would be nice so that a normal person wouldn't, like, think about that. I would say, like, just in a literal way, like, use the Safari feature for this type of automation also, because it will do a better job of, like— it's essentially doing this already under the hood. I'm curious if it is literally doing its shortcuts, like App Intents flows under the hood there. That would be fascinating. But, like, the other thing too is you had a specific thing in mind that I think think is a lot of people have trouble coming up with an idea. Um, but what's cool is when you're in Shortcuts and you do like enter into create a new shortcut mode, it just gives you ideas right now. Like it says draft a journal entry about my weekend, read me— remind me to read this article later, summarize my day every morning.

Matthew Casinelli [01:02:47]:
So like it gives you prompts about what you can do. And then I'm assuming when there's third-party apps. It might also like be like, hey, save this article to Bear. Like, it can give you ideas. Um, and I still do have my website of like, come look at my website for ideas and you can figure out— like, people sharing these is going to be the coolest part because now there's almost no cost to build anything that's really powerful and it's just shareable immediately with an iCloud URL. And I'll say, oh my God, Micah, The, the Open Graph tag for Shortcuts URLs has been blank for the last 10 years. So when you shared a shortcut on social media, it looks like butt. It just is not attractive.

Matthew Casinelli [01:03:31]:
Nobody wants to click on it. Now there's the Shortcuts logo, and it's— I was just like, thank God. Like, I needed— I literally made my own website and had a whole— my whole career is based off the fact that you can't easily discover shortcuts online. And like, now you can. And so it is. I've both been replaced by Describe a Shortcut and soon by AI for the App Intents part. But that's why I'm like, I just— who cares? That's the point, is I always wanted you to be able to do this anyways and not need me. Like, that was the point of me handing over Shortcuts rather than trying to like have you learn the per— like, you shouldn't have learned how Shortcuts work until now because it's too complicated to figure out even some of that visual flow.

Matthew Casinelli [01:04:12]:
But like, now I'm like, let's go, let's go forward. Let's— you can use every app with App Intents for Siri AI or Shortcuts, and you can build them all immediately. I want Apple to make Describe a Shortcut more efficient and things like that, plus just have better access to all these apps. And like, it's so cool. Like, you can do that. You can build your own apps in Shortcuts. You, you can vibe code. You don't have to like like, go build the UI for all those other— like, the vibe coding part is still a pretty high bar to make anything good.

Mikah Sargent [01:04:48]:
Mm-hmm.

Matthew Casinelli [01:04:48]:
And Shortcuts is like, now you can, you can remix your apps together. Like, this whole part of actually doing it yourself and not just like throwing it off to the AI that— who will then do it once and you'll never come back to that. Like, Shortcuts is a cool way to sort of capture that automation value and then reuse it. And it also works across all your devices. It'll probably come to Apple TV or the HomePod too. So like, this is like the empowerment and being able to create your own personal software is like, I've been living in that world for 10 years, but it's been a hard slog. And like, sometimes Shortcuts was just buggy. That now too, there's more like diligence on that side of Making sure just if you're gonna send millions of people to the Shortcuts app, make sure it works also.

Matthew Casinelli [01:05:41]:
So yeah, I'm super stoked. This Describe a Shortcut part though is like, I think that's the most accessible way for most people. And it's automated. The automations in there now is so sweet. So like just having AI that are automations that run and you don't have to do anything with it is great. It'll just improve your life without you trying.

Mikah Sargent [01:06:02]:
I agree. All right, folks, this has been a wonderful and informative episode of the show. Matthew Casinelli, if people would like to, A, keep up to date with the work that you're doing and follow along, where are the places they should go to do so?

Matthew Casinelli [01:06:21]:
I'd say the best right now is actually my Twitter account because I've been trying to figure out with my website how to change my blogging process. But then also supercomputer.tech is my company and you can hire me at— we can do it super fast and get you a great Siri AI experience. And then yeah, matthew@supercomputer.tech is my new email address for that.

Mikah Sargent [01:06:49]:
Wonderful. If you are looking to follow me online, I'm @micasargent on many a social media network, or you can to chihiwahua.coffee, that's chihiwahua.coffee, where I've got links to the places I'm most active online. Be sure to check out the other shows that I have on the network, including Hands On Apple, Hands On Tech, Tech News Weekly, and the upcoming Hands On AI show as well. And of course, although Rosemary Orchard is not here, you can follow Rosemary as well. And next week, Rosemary will be joined by Dan Morin for a couple of episodes as I will be out of office. Thank you all for being here, and we will catch you again next week for another episode of IOS Today.