Home Theater Geeks 512 Transcript
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Scott Wilkinson [00:00:00]:
In this episode of Home Theater Geeks, I chat with my good friend Mike Heiss about over the air tv. So stay tuned.
Michael Heiss [00:00:11]:
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Scott Wilkinson [00:00:27]:
Hey there, Scott Wilkinson here, the home theater geek. In this episode, I have as my guest my good friend Michael Heiss, who is a journalist, consultant and jolly good CDF fellow here today to talk about over the air tv. Hey, Mike, welcome back to the show.
Michael Heiss [00:00:47]:
Oh, thanks for having me back on, Scott. Always great to see you virtually and last week in person.
Scott Wilkinson [00:00:54]:
Yeah, how about that? I was in la. We had dinner together with your wife and my wife. It was great.
Michael Heiss [00:01:00]:
So let's go, let's go.
Scott Wilkinson [00:01:02]:
We're talking about over the air tv, which you might, some people might think what that was generation ago, that, that, that's not a thing anymore, is it? Well, yes, it is, isn't it?
Michael Heiss [00:01:17]:
Well, yes, it is and it should be. And I can give you two very current instances, especially now that people are using not cable as much as they used to, although I'm still a, you know, cable guy, if you will. You know, YouTube TV and similar types of things.
Scott Wilkinson [00:01:35]:
All these streaming platforms.
Michael Heiss [00:01:37]:
Yeah. But a funny thing happened on Father's Day morning. Some clowns said, you know, everybody is cutting power lines and whatnot for the scrap value of the copper. And some people up here in the San Fernando Valley cut some overhead wires thinking it was copper. Well, they clearly don't watch home theater geeks because it's all fiber. But they cut 13 main fiber trunk lines and virtually all of the spectrum. Internet service in parts of Los Angeles and Ventura county was out. My Internet was out for up to 18 hours.
Michael Heiss [00:02:20]:
And if I wanted to. Yeah, and if I wanted to watch TV like no bueno. But fortunately, as you will show later, I have an outdoor antenna. So to you. So that's one thing, you got to have a backup these days when the Internet goes down. But the other is all the blackouts of YouTube TV. You know, having a little fight with Disney and FUBU. Almost had a fight.
Michael Heiss [00:02:46]:
They solved it at the last minute with NBC Universal and Telemundo. And if you remember, I think it was last year Fox had a to do again, I think with YouTube literally up until an hour before the super bowl, which meant that people wouldn't have been able or YouTube TV has been able to watch the Super Bowl. They, they solved it at the last minute. Lots of pressure. But for many of the reasons that we'll talk about OTA over the air TV lives and will continue to live.
Scott Wilkinson [00:03:18]:
Yes, and rightly so.
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Leo Laporte [00:04:43]:
And now back to the show.
Scott Wilkinson [00:04:46]:
Now another issue that I think a lot of people these days would be interested in is that OTA over the air TV is free.
Michael Heiss [00:04:58]:
Free.
Scott Wilkinson [00:05:00]:
Now you don't get many things that are free these days.
Michael Heiss [00:05:04]:
No. And, and it's free. And some might say it's not only free, but if you consume a lot of sports, local news, you know, late night talk shows before they're like gone or you still watch, you know, I still watch like real TV or my wife and I, who I only know enough Korean of the five words I've learned listening to the in flight announcements on on Asiana Airlines. But we watch Korean soap operas, K drama. And how do we watch that on an over the air digital sub channel. And it's free.
Scott Wilkinson [00:05:45]:
Yeah, it's all free. Even more important perhaps is it's better quality than most streaming services.
Michael Heiss [00:05:55]:
Well, because there is depending upon whether you're ATSC 1.0 or 3.0. There might be some compression, but nowhere is near what the cable and the streaming services provide. And there's no latency. So if you're having a football party game thing, where you got a bunch of people in different rooms in the house, if people are watching on different streams or different devices, you'll hear somebody in one room going, whoa, touchdown. And the other guy's going, like, what, what, what? Because I didn't, you know, I have my Hawaiian shirt on today. I have a T shirt I picked up at a trade show once. Games don't kill people. Latency kills games.
Michael Heiss [00:06:46]:
Yes, latency, you know, is a factor because as the signal goes from the originating TV station through the different places, that has to go to on a YouTube TV or a Hulu TV or a Swing TV, which I use those. Or even when I watch cable using the Spectrum app, See, and if somebody's got the regular TV on in one room and I'm watching it through an app or through my God rested soul, my tivos, you could get up to a minute's delay between the live transmission and what you're watching on any device.
Scott Wilkinson [00:07:25]:
Wow, that's a lot.
Michael Heiss [00:07:28]:
Yeah. And if you're having, again, if you're having, you know, it's playoff season, whether it's, you know, eventually for the, you know, for college football or the pros, you're having a party and people, you just. The latency, latency kills good tv.
Scott Wilkinson [00:07:47]:
Another thing that, another advantage I think that's important that maybe not a lot of people know about, is the fact that you can get many more channels than you used to be able to over the year.
Michael Heiss [00:08:00]:
Many, many more channels.
Scott Wilkinson [00:08:02]:
Tell us about that.
Michael Heiss [00:08:03]:
Well, when they went to, from good old fashioned NTSC analog to ATSC 1.0, the original digital transition, the increased bandwidth and making it a digital signal enabled them to squeeze more channels, more virtual channels into one physical channel. So there's one. Now, these are not all HD because you got to squeeze some stuff, but there's one physical channel in the Los Angeles market that I think has about 13 or 14 actual virtual channels. All of them are in languages I don't understand. But that's not the point because there are people, Los Angeles, there are people that speak like 170 different languages. So if you want programming in Mandarin, Cantonese, Japanese, Tagalog, Armenian, more Armenian, more Armenian, more Chinese, or different religious broadcasts, or 14 different home shopping things, or if you just like, I can't stand looking at the news anymore, things like Antenna TV and MeTV and Catchy Comedy. This weekend, Catchy Comedy ran 100 episodes of Dick Van Dyke show in honor of Dick Van Dyke's 100th birthday. And that's really cool.
Michael Heiss [00:09:29]:
And some of those are carried by the cable and streaming services and a lot of them aren't. The KLX, a KXLA TV 44.1 that I watch my Korean and Japanese shows on, is on the cable, but it looks a lot better when I watch it over the air. And I have an over the air recorder and I don't, I pay for it once. And one of the ones I have Zapperbox, you pay for the subscription service. But Tableau, who I've long been a fan of T A T A L B O. Tableau. T A B L O. Yeah, that too.
Michael Heiss [00:10:12]:
It's been a long day, Scott.
Scott Wilkinson [00:10:13]:
Yeah, I get it.
Michael Heiss [00:10:14]:
Tableau. Their new 4th gen things have the subscription to the guide is included and they have memory built in. So I've got a tableau hooked up to my outdoor antenna or at some point to an indoor antenna, and I can watch all the over the air TV I want and I can record it for free and I don't have to worry other than about the limitations of the storage. Although you can add more. I don't need no stinking cloud. And if you have one antenna, which kind of is the norm, but with the tableau, the way the tableau works is you connect it to the Internet via WI fi or wired and you connect it to your antenna. So in my particular situation, the antenna drop is actually right down there under my desk. But I can watch Tableau anywhere in the house.
Michael Heiss [00:11:11]:
But I just go to my connected TV and I go to the Tableau app and that's cool. And I can access the dvr. So that kind of thing is cool if you're only going to have one antenna and if you're in a newer residence that might not have an antenna connection in every room. That's another benefit of over the Air.
Scott Wilkinson [00:11:31]:
We have a graphic that you took a screenshot of your TV with all the, what do I want to say? All the physical channels and virtual channels. Yeah, here it is.
Michael Heiss [00:11:44]:
So there you go. So there are 36 physical channels in the United States pared down from the old days, some UHF, some VHF. So if you go 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, there's nothing there except the physical channels themselves. Right. But there's nobody using them. But physical channel 7 will start with that has KABC, good old KVC 7.1 but then they've also got 7.2, 7.3, 7.4. But thanks to the digital technology, they've also got three streams from what used to be in the analog days, channel 62. But if you go over to the right side of the screen, RF physical channel 30, that's where I watch 44.13, 4 6, 7, 8, 9441 is my KBS America.
Michael Heiss [00:12:47]:
But then they've also got a gazillion on channel 57.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 12 and more. So that scan, which I did over the weekend, I get 157 finger quotes channels, even though there aren't that many. There aren't 157 TV stations. Right there, 157 virtual channels off, whatever the number, if we count them up on the physical channels.
Scott Wilkinson [00:13:21]:
Right. And physical channels are those that are actually getting broadcast over the air physically with electromagnetic radiation and exactly. At different bandwidths and so on.
Michael Heiss [00:13:33]:
And that's why you might occasionally want to re scan, because if you look at channel 7 and channel 9, the physical channels, the old channel 9 and channel 7 are still there. But where's, you know, where's channel 4? Well, channel 4 lives on channel 36, down at the bottom of the right column, and that's channel 4.1, 4.2, 4, 3, 4, 4.
Scott Wilkinson [00:14:02]:
Okay.
Michael Heiss [00:14:03]:
And then thrown in for good measure, channel 13.3. Because if you go over now, bear with me there, folks. If you go over to Physical Channel 13, good old KCOP or whatever they they call it now, that has.
Scott Wilkinson [00:14:22]:
13.1.
Michael Heiss [00:14:25]:
Right. But 13.3 lives on channel 36. But you don't care because when you do a scan, whether it's the internal tuner on your TV or an external tuner box, it goes. Because for the last, oh, I don't know, 70 or 80 years, I used to do this for a living. Local stations have spent tens of millions of dollars over the decades to create a brand identity, you know, eyewitness Channel seven. Right now they're actually on channel seven, you know, news for you. But they're not on Channel 4. But you don't have to know that.
Scott Wilkinson [00:15:03]:
Not anymore. But you don't have to know that.
Michael Heiss [00:15:05]:
Because the TV set still presents it as you're clicking up through the channels. 4.1, 4.2, 4.3. Because it was very important to the broadcaster to maintain their identity again, that they've built up over the years.
Scott Wilkinson [00:15:23]:
Yeah, yeah. So let's take a look at how you can actually do this. We've sort of been alluding to it, but let's get into it deeply. You need an antenna, right? I mean, it's over the air, right? So you need an antenna.
Michael Heiss [00:15:39]:
You know, coat hangers just don't cut it anymore.
Scott Wilkinson [00:15:42]:
Coat hangers don't. Don't cut it anymore. Rabbit ears with aluminum foil just don't cut it anymore.
Michael Heiss [00:15:46]:
Well, no, you can go. You know, I had a picture, the original resolution wasn't good enough that I was going to send you that. Best Buy still sells something that, dagnabit, looks like your grandma's rabbit ears. And a couple of years ago, I mean, this is now maybe six or seven years ago, when one of these big blackout reaches called retransmission consent, where the cable companies at that point were arguing with the broadcasters as to how much they would pay to carry their signals. The then Time Warner, help me with that. Gave out rabbit ears like your parents used to have on top of the TV set. You could drive to the Time Warner store. And I have it in the closet somewhere.
Scott Wilkinson [00:16:27]:
Oh, you, you actually got a pair of those.
Michael Heiss [00:16:30]:
It was free.
Scott Wilkinson [00:16:31]:
Yeah.
Michael Heiss [00:16:32]:
And something free from the cable company. But who could think that, who could imagine that? But, you know, but you do need an antenna. And it clearly depends on, you know, what channels you want and where the, you know, where's the, as the broadcasters say, where the stick is. So here in Los Angeles, it's on Mount Wilson. The very famous one is in San Francisco, Mount Sutro. That tower is that three, you know, triangle thing. That is a famous landmark or quite frankly. And again, there's, you know, a bit of unfortunateness to this in New York.
Michael Heiss [00:17:09]:
It used to be on the Empire, and then they moved to World Trade center, you know, unfortunately, after 9, 11 and they did scramble, but CBS channel, channel physical to WCBS actually still had their backup transmitter on Empire and. But if you're in an area where the main stick is not in one place, you have to be careful about where you place your antenna. So. And maybe you might need an amp if you're a little bit further out. You in the boonies, where are the stations for where you live? Do you get the San Francisco stations or you for south?
Scott Wilkinson [00:17:49]:
No, I think, I think we're a little farther. Far away. There are some hills around Monterey.
Michael Heiss [00:17:55]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Scott Wilkinson [00:17:56]:
Which is probably where they are. I haven't actually done a deep dive into that yet.
Michael Heiss [00:18:00]:
Well, you got to get some over the air stuff there, Scott.
Scott Wilkinson [00:18:03]:
I do, I do, I do. I admit I'm, I'm behind The times in that regard, you're ahead of the.
Michael Heiss [00:18:09]:
Times, behind the times, at the same.
Scott Wilkinson [00:18:11]:
Time, at the same time.
Michael Heiss [00:18:12]:
But you need an amplifier and you might need an amp to go with. You need an antenna and maybe an amp. And there are not Titan tv. There are a number of websites that will tell you if you put in your zip code and it knows where you are, it'll tell you, you know, sometimes when I'm out on the road and you look out the hotel window, you can see there's a TV tower here and a TV tower there and a TV tower somewhere else. And in the old days you'd need a rotator and a big antenna. But the new antennas, the one that I have is not only unobtrusive, it works really well as witness the number of channels you see that I get.
Scott Wilkinson [00:18:54]:
Yeah, yeah. Well, you can get an indoor antenna. And I gave a couple, I shown a couple examples of that here in some graphics. This is the channel master flat tenna, which goes on your window. And it can be either passive or powered. It can include an amplifier if you're getting a weak signal. There's also one from a company called mohu.
Michael Heiss [00:19:19]:
I also have one of those and it works very well. And there's the amplifier there.
Scott Wilkinson [00:19:23]:
Yes. And this is a curved one. You don't have to attach it to a window. You can just have it on a tabletop stand and it's kind of curvy and cool.
Michael Heiss [00:19:34]:
Or I have one in my office similar to that, that suction cup to the east facing window because that points it to Mount Wilson.
Scott Wilkinson [00:19:43]:
Then there are outdoor antennas of which you have one and we have actually a picture of it. You walked outside and snapped a picture.
Michael Heiss [00:19:51]:
I lost the file I was going to send you this afternoon and I said, the heck with it. I ran in. My office is in the front of the house. I ran outside and I took the picture. And it was easy than going into my servers to find a bloody picture.
Scott Wilkinson [00:20:07]:
And we have that picture. There it is.
Michael Heiss [00:20:10]:
There you go. And that's not your, you know, not your grandpa's yaggy. Now it looks, you know, it looks like something that George Nori would have, you know, to contact the aliens. Now I have it mounted above the eavesdrop because otherwise it would be too low and pointing at my neighbor's house. So you could turn that U shaped thing around and mount it under the eaves. But it doesn't make it look like, you know, Ozzie and Harriet live there.
Scott Wilkinson [00:20:39]:
Right.
Michael Heiss [00:20:39]:
You know it, it's reasonably modern. And it comes with an amplifier, and that's how I get 157 channels. These were actually originally designed by or brought to market this particular one for people that had DirecTV and Dish where they wanted over the air. So you'd run it down the same lead as the DISH signal. Ah. But it's a great. You know, it's inobtrusive, and it works really, really well. There's a lot of NASA kind of stuff in this thing.
Scott Wilkinson [00:21:12]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I meant to say that the. Those indoor antennas were in the, you know, 30 to $50 range, which isn't bad at all.
Michael Heiss [00:21:23]:
That one's a little bit pricier.
Scott Wilkinson [00:21:24]:
It's more. More in the $100 range, I think.
Michael Heiss [00:21:27]:
Right. But that would work for. If you're familiar with Los Angeles. I'm. I'm sort of in the western San Fernando Valley. But if I were to move up to Calabasas or Oxnard or places like that, you'd need one of those. An indoor antenna would probably not have the gain to get me something from Mount Wilson. And again, your mileage may vary wherever you live.
Scott Wilkinson [00:21:52]:
Exactly. And this is. That one that you have is from a company called Tel Avivs, which I looked up. Not Tel Aviv, Tel Avivs, which I looked up. It's spelled T E L E V.
Michael Heiss [00:22:04]:
E S. And they do a lot of. They really do a lot of aerospace rado. That is, as you can see from that picture, that sort of radomish kind of technology. And, you know, and again, this way, the neighbors don't, you know, give me a funny look, say, you know, what's Mike up to now? Or quite frankly, if you're in a. In a controlled community, that's an easier thing to sort of clamp on to the railing of your balcony if it points in the right direction. Although you are allowed by law, unless they've, you know, discontinued it, you are allowed by law to put up an antenna like that on your balcony, even if you're in a condo or something.
Scott Wilkinson [00:22:52]:
With homeowners association, something.
Michael Heiss [00:22:54]:
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. You know, and. But again, that'll just keep them. That'll keep the, you know, the NIMBYs in the. On the condo board from giving you a hard time.
Scott Wilkinson [00:23:04]:
Right. Okay, so you got an antenna. You need a tuner.
Michael Heiss [00:23:09]:
Now, if you have a tv, by definition, you have a tuner.
Scott Wilkinson [00:23:12]:
Right.
Michael Heiss [00:23:13]:
You know, give me a tuner on toast, you know, but, you know, I get. You do a Jack Nicholson, you know, just hold the tune, and I just want toast. You Need a tuner. And, and by, again, by definition, by law, and this came during the digital transition, you know, 20, 25 years ago. Now, to call something a television, it must have a tuner, otherwise it's a monitor. Right. Now the question is, and again, it depends on your building and where you live, your house, whatever. You may not have an antenna drop or a decent antenna because the landlords may not be keeping it up in every room.
Michael Heiss [00:23:48]:
But the advantage of something like a Tableau or a Zapper Box or a Zinwell, which we'll talk about at a future point, that once you have one of those, you're good, you're good to go. The tableau, you access it through an app, you hook it up to the antenna, and you're good to go. So you don't have to worry about having an antenna drop at each tv. But the tuner in your TV is fine.
Scott Wilkinson [00:24:11]:
Right.
Michael Heiss [00:24:11]:
And I use that as well. I mean, you know, I do what I do.
Scott Wilkinson [00:24:14]:
Right, right, right. You, you sort of do both, I'm sure. And so you, you can get an external tuner such as we've been talking about. Tableau, Zapper box. There's the table, there's.
Michael Heiss [00:24:28]:
There's the tableau. And I think they have a deal where it actually comes with an antenna. If you're on a budget, if you go on, you know, online, I won't mention any people because something in my office will start talking to me if I use the wrong word. If I use the A word.
Scott Wilkinson [00:24:46]:
Yes, let's not do that.
Michael Heiss [00:24:48]:
No. But the little boxes that they brought out in the digital transition, you can still pick Those up for 30 or $40 online if you like. I'm using a 34 inch monitor for my computer. If I wanted to have a digital TV, I could just buy one of those for 30 bucks and hook it up to the other one of the HDMI inputs.
Scott Wilkinson [00:25:12]:
Right. On the other hand, the Tableau or the Zapper Box also give you, as you were mentioning before, DVR capabilities. You can record off the air for.
Michael Heiss [00:25:23]:
For the most part, for free.
Scott Wilkinson [00:25:26]:
For free.
Michael Heiss [00:25:27]:
The Tableau includes, I think 128, 64 or 128, I don't recall offhand. It includes memory and it includes the subscription guide which, the original tableaus, you had to pay extra. Zapper, you still Pay, I think $39.
Scott Wilkinson [00:25:43]:
A year, a subscription box. There's the Zapper box.
Michael Heiss [00:25:47]:
Right. And I have one of those, no surprise. And it's an amazing product which we'll talk about Again in, in a future episode. But they have also along with that a gateway box. So that I put that. The one that I have that you just showed lives in my office and the coax runs, you know, around the desk. But then I've got their mini, much like the late lamented. But they still work tivos as a box in the den so that it can see the other antenna.
Michael Heiss [00:26:22]:
And by the way, although TiVos are not being made anymore, the over the air capable tivos, if you really want to go cool, you can pick up a used TiVo on eBay or wherever you buy used stuff. And if you find one with a lifetime subscription, the one that I. One of the ones I have, which I use with cable. But if you had the off air version, it has a two terabyte drive and six tuners. So if you're a sports fan during, hey, it's coming up in February, you know, March or in March, March Madness. You can record six different games at once on the same device over the air. Because NBC Universal, they spent tens of billions with a B. Billions of dollars for sports rights.
Michael Heiss [00:27:16]:
Half their schedule is, is the NBA or the NFL. And a rumor has it there's this Olympics thing coming up in February.
Scott Wilkinson [00:27:26]:
Oh yeah, I heard something about that.
Michael Heiss [00:27:28]:
Yeah. Somewhere in Europe. And then, and damn it, there's another one that it's I think going to be like here in 28. And if you want to watch it uncompressed over the air, man.
Scott Wilkinson [00:27:41]:
Yeah, yeah, for sure. And another, another point you made is that the TiVo has, that you have has up to six tuners. These other newer ones, Tableau, Zapper box. Tableau can come with two tuners or four.
Michael Heiss [00:27:55]:
And Zapper's got one coming out with four also, right?
Scott Wilkinson [00:27:58]:
One, two or four. They're a little more expensive. The Zapper box, they're in the 2 to 350 range.
Michael Heiss [00:28:05]:
There's a reason for that. Which is Next gen.
Scott Wilkinson [00:28:08]:
Which is Next gen, which we're going to get into in the next episode.
Michael Heiss [00:28:11]:
Yes.
Scott Wilkinson [00:28:14]:
Okay. So the. You had mentioned to me something about cheapo tuners. I guess that's what you meant with, with the, the old converters that are still available right back.
Michael Heiss [00:28:27]:
Well, and they're still available new. I just don't want people to be confused.
Scott Wilkinson [00:28:31]:
Understood.
Michael Heiss [00:28:32]:
Back in the, back in the day, in the late 90s, if you remember then the government, in order to not disenfranchise all the people that are watching over the air TV, everybody got two $40 coupons that you could take to at the time, you know, rest in peace, Circuit City or Best Buy or wherever and buy one of these little off air tuners and those devices are still available and now you can't get them for free. But if you have an old TV or I know people with one of the really great guys in the consumer electronics PR world, a fellow named Dave Arland is a TV set collector and he has a fully restored RCA CT100 which was the first color TV and he has an external ATS which is from like 1953 and it has an external tuner box connected to it so he can watch digital TV on his 72 year old TV. Wow.
Scott Wilkinson [00:29:38]:
Wow.
Michael Heiss [00:29:39]:
I mean, and he does it for fun. I mean that's, he's in business too. But it's, it's cool to see this old big wooden, you know, honking piece of console TV.
Scott Wilkinson [00:29:49]:
Yeah, yeah.
Michael Heiss [00:29:50]:
Showing next, not next gen but ATSC 1.0 TV.
Scott Wilkinson [00:29:55]:
That's right. Well, speaking of next gen and ATSC 1.1.0 and 3.0, that's the subject of our next episode. So stick around while we reset and set up and get ready for another episode of over the Air Madness with Michael Heiss.
Michael Heiss [00:30:16]:
Thanks Scott.
Scott Wilkinson [00:30:17]:
Thanks so much for being with us. For now, why don't you tell people where they can find you online?
Michael Heiss [00:30:22]:
You can find me online@michaelheist.com my crazy website. Hey, if you're in the neighborhood, I'm a notary, but you can my short story. My wife is retired now, but she's a licensed California and used to have a New York architectural license as well. And you used to have to stamp the plans. I said damn it, I want to be able to stamp things too. So I became a notary so I could stamp stuff.
Scott Wilkinson [00:30:49]:
Right.
Michael Heiss [00:30:50]:
But you can find me at Restech Residential Technology Today, restek today.com or hiddenwires.co.uk and in fact I just did some articles about this that are, are in both of those magazines.
Scott Wilkinson [00:31:04]:
Well, very good. So we can get even more detail.
Michael Heiss [00:31:07]:
About more than you want.
Scott Wilkinson [00:31:10]:
But you know, if you want to save money and you want to be up on the times, that's the way to go, I think. Yep. Okay, cool man. Well, listen, stick around. We're going to do another episode and thanks so much for being here.
Michael Heiss [00:31:23]:
See you around the channels.
Scott Wilkinson [00:31:24]:
You bet. Now if you have a question for me, I do hope you will send me a note by email to htgwit TV and I will answer as many as I can right here on the show. And if you have a home theater that you would like to share with the world, I'd like to hear from you. Send me an email at again htg twit TV with some pictures, some a few sentences about about your theater and why it's so cool and hopefully we can get you on the show and and feature your theater right here. Until next time, geek out.
