Home Theater Geeks 473 Transcript
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00:00 - Scott Wilkinson (Host)
In this episode of Home Theater Geeks I talk about a lawsuit brought against Hisense from a disgruntled consumer. Does he have a case? Stick around Podcasts you love From people you trust. This is Twit. Hey, there, Scott Wilkinson. Here the home theater geek.
00:35
In this episode I'm going to talk about an article I recently saw in my newsfeed. One of the newsletters I get the industry newsletters is called Display Daily and in it last week was a story about a lawsuit that kind of piqued my interest and tweaked my anger. The article is called Lawsuit Alleges Hisense Misled Consumers with QLED Marketing, and we're going to put a link in the show notes to that article so you can see it. The suit was filed in US District Court for the Southern District of New York and it was brought by a guy named Robert Macios, or Macioche, I think. I'm going to say Macios, just because I don't really know. That's kind of what it looks like. He claims that Hisense USA engaged in false advertising and deceptive business practices regarding its TV products. Macios had bought a 43 inch Hisense QD5, which we can see in the first graphics just just a picture of the QD5, which is a fairly low end Hisense TV, which is a fairly low-end Hisense TV. He bought it in November 2024 for $160 from Best Buy. Now they market the QD5, along with the QD6, qd65, qd7, u7, u7n and other models as featuring QLED technology, models as featuring QLED technology. Now, qled technology QLED stands for Quantum Dot, light Emitting Diode, and Hisense claims that it, quote dramatically increases the color space and improves color saturation, allowing consumers to see color like you've never seen it before. Yeah, okay, typical marketing hype. You've heard it before a million times.
02:57
Now Masios contends that these televisions either do not contain QLED technology or contain it in such negligible amounts that it does not meaningfully enhance the display, the performance as advertised, including a permanent injunction preventing Hisense from continuing this allegedly deceptive practice. Actual and punitive damages, of course, and more. He also demands a jury trial. He wants his day in court. Now, in my opinion, this is a totally bogus lawsuit. Now, in my opinion, this is a totally bogus lawsuit. Assuming that the QD5 and other Hisense QLEDs do in fact contain quantum dots, which I have no reason to believe they don't. Negligible amounts, as he claims in his lawsuit, makes no sense at all. So I want to explain how QLED TVs work, and we're going to look at a graphic and I'm going to tell you how it works Now.
04:13
This looks very complicated, but I've circled the elements that are the most important for us to look at and consider. At the right you have blue in this graphic, mini LEDs. They don't have to be mini LEDs, they could be regular-sized LEDs, but you have blue LEDs. That's the backlight. You might have a diffuser plate which diffuses the light from the LEDs and makes it more uniform. Then the blue light hits a QDEF, otherwise known as a quantum dot enhancement film, and this is a film of plastic that is saturated, impregnated, if you will, with red and green quantum dots, get hit by the blue light, blue photons are absorbed, some of them not all of them, but some of them are absorbed by the red and green quantum dots, which then re-emit photons at the red or green wavelength.
05:17
Now, when you combine the red and green from the quantum dots and the blue from the backlight, you get white quantum dots and the blue from the backlight, you get white. So the white light then goes through a bunch of elements, a bunch of layers. It hits the liquid crystal display, which is the actual element that makes the image. Each subpixel in the liquid crystal layer has a color filter, a red, green or blue color filter that displays the red, green or blue part of the image, and then that finally gets displayed and it's a full color image. The lower element, the lower picture here, the quantum dot enhancement film, qdef, is combined with the diffuser plate. That's the only difference between these two graphics. So the important thing to remember is blue backlight passes through a QDEF which generates some red and green. Some of the blue gets through without being converted, that forms white, goes through the liquid crystal, the part of the display which forms the image, then through color filters which separate out the red, green and blue parts, but that all gets combined by your eye, finally in the end in the display. So that is how Quantum Dot QDEF, qled sorry, works. It has a QDEF in it which is saturated with quantum dots. Now you can't have a negligible amount of quantum dots in that QDEF. I know this is a bit of alphabet soup, so forgive me, I even get a little confused myself once in a while. The quantum dots are embedded in the QDEF and if it has a negligible amount of them, then too much of the blue light is going to get through and not be absorbed by the quantum dots to form red and green and if you do that, then you're going to produce a very blue image.
07:37
I'm going to show you a picture of the CIE diagram, which is how color television works. You can see the triangle is what the display can reproduce. So you see blue in the lower left, you see green at the top and you see red at the lower right. Hopefully you can see a point in the middle called D65. That's the ideal white point. That's the target of where the white light coming off the QD EF should be. If there are very few quantum dots in the QD EF, more blue will get through than should and pull that white point towards the blue and the picture will look blue. So Hisense would have a lot more problems, a lot bigger problems than this lawsuit, if that's what was happening. So it can't be happening, it just can't. So Hisense says that QLED dramatically increases the color space and improves color saturation. That QLED dramatically increases the color space and improves color saturation, allowing consumers to see color like you've never seen it before Typical marketing hype.
08:56
As I've said before, all TV manufacturers do this to one degree or another anyway. And is it really true? Well, it's slightly true. Qds quantum dots do provide a wider color gamut and a larger color volume, but not by all that much. R-t-i-n-g-s dot com.
09:30
I went to their site and found a comparison between a regular LED TV without quantum dots and a cued LED TV with quantum dots, and I looked at their color gamut and color volume, and so I'm going to show those to you now. The Sony X900H is a regular LED and a Samsung Q90 is a QLED. So here is the color gamut of the Sony, which does not have quantum dots, and you can see it doesn't quite reach out to the ends the blue, the green and the red corners of the triangle. And if we look at the next picture, which is the Samsung, which does have QLEDs, that doesn't reach out to the ends, at least in the green either. It gets a little better with the blues, but not tremendously more. Better with the blues, but not tremendously more. Now, as I recall, looking at the write-up that they had there, the Sony color gamut is 85.7% of what's called DCI-P3, which is the color range of modern 4K TVs, and it's 63.4% of BT 2020, which is the ultimate, and almost no TVs reach that. The Samsung color gamut is 89.1% of DCI-P3, so a little bit more, and 67.2% of BT 2020, which is a little bit more Not tremendously, but a little bit. Ok.
11:11
Let's take a look at color volume, which measures the colors of a TV at different luminance, different luminance levels. Graphics 6 shows us the normalized coverage of DCI P3 for the Sony. The wire diagram is is sort of the target and the colored area or volume is what the TV produces. And here's the Sony, and then the next one is the Samsung, and you know, you can see they're a little bit different. They're a little bit different. The Sony's normalized coverage of DCI-P3 color volume is 76.1% and the Samsung's 85.2%. Okay, so that's more.
12:01
But QLED, while it does increase color volume and color gamut and thus saturation, but I wouldn't call it dramatic and it shouldn't be. For a good picture, these must conform to a standard that has been set, like DCI-P3. And so if they can get there, great, they shouldn't go beyond it, because then it would be inaccurate. Is this color like you've never seen before? No, but plenty of companies make similar claims and, besides, they can't possibly know what you or I or anyone else has ever seen before.
12:50
Now, the QD5 is probably not a very good performer. It's an entry-level low-end set. Artratingscom has not reviewed the QD5, but they did review the QD6, which is a step-up model from that, and it didn't score very well. It got a 6.9 overall, which is in their average category, and all the scores were in the mediocre range. And the QD5 is even lower end. And what do you expect for 160 bucks? I mean, come on Now.
13:28
I'm sure all of you know that Hisense is not alone in being hyperbolic in its ad marketing language, and if you're going to sue the company over it, you're going to have to sue all TV manufacturers and many others. I suspect that Masiosi is actually just disappointed in his purchase and he wants to blame Hisense, so he's filing this BS lawsuit. I want to say that it's up to us, up to consumers, not to fall for the ubiquitous language that all companies use and do your due diligence, read reviews, listen to experts that you trust Hopefully I'm one of them and make your decision based on that, rather than the marketing hype, and then blame the company when the marketing hype and then blame the company when the marketing hype doesn't meet your expectations. So that's what I wanted to say about that. Now, if you have a question for me, you can send it right along to HTG at TWITTV. I love to answer these questions and I will do so as often as I can right here on the show.
14:54
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