Ask the Tech Guys Episode 1993 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
Hey, hey, hey. It's time for Ask the Tech Guys. I'm Leon LaPorte coming up, Micah and I have our new iPhones. We'll take a look and at the new fine woven case

Mikah Sargent (00:00:07):
And I'm Micah Sargent and we help a listener who says, why can't I stream to my stereo paired home pods without turning on the tv?

Leo Laporte (00:00:15):
Then Dick d Barolo will show you how to slime your Barbies. DOLs not included. Ask the Tech Guys is next podcasts you love

Mikah Sargent (00:00:26):
From people you trust.

Leo Laporte (00:00:29):
This is [00:00:30] TWI Twit.

This is Ask the Tech guys with Micah Sergeant and Leo LaPorte. Episode 1993 Recorded Sunday, September 24th, 2023. Three story shoebox with a tandem garage. Ask the Tech Eyes is brought to you by our friends at IT pro TV now called a C I Learning. Keep your IT team skills up with the speed of technology visit Go dot ACI [00:01:00] Twit listeners receive at least 20% off or as much as 65% off an IT Pro enterprise solution plan. After completing their form, you'll receive a proper quote based on the size of your team. Well, hey, hey, hey, look who's here, Mr. Mikey, Sergeant without his hair

Mikah Sargent (00:01:20):
As well as Mr. Leola port with his hair.

Leo Laporte (00:01:23):
Did you go to Barack Obama's hair at Barber?

Mikah Sargent (00:01:25):
Might as well have been. She is a fantastic barber. One of the best fades [00:01:30] I've ever had for a long time. Yeah. Where'd you go? Well, she comes to us. She

Leo Laporte (00:01:35):
Comes to you?

Mikah Sargent (00:01:36):

Leo Laporte (00:01:37):
How nice.

Mikah Sargent (00:01:38):
It's a nice house visit.

Leo Laporte (00:01:40):
There's a woman on the Boulevard who has a barbershop and she doesn't take appointments but she has in front of the barbershop a glass window and markers, dry erase markers and you write your name on the window and they add it to the list. She comes out and erases a name. She calls your name [00:02:00] and come in from the bar next door.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:01):
Our barber works at the place downtown called the Shop.

Leo Laporte (00:02:05):
Oh, the shop's

Mikah Sargent (00:02:06):
Good. Yeah, they also do, they do good stuff. They do a list there. They don't have it The marker. They do. There's several of them there who do good work and she's one of them. I

Leo Laporte (00:02:14):
Am Leo Laport.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:16):
You are?

Leo Laporte (00:02:16):
Yeah. I don't think I mentioned

Mikah Sargent (00:02:17):
That. I did. I mentioned you and I mentioned that you have your

Leo Laporte (00:02:20):
Hair and this is the show where Yeah, I'm more than my usual amount of hair, which is why I'm slicked it back to do the Pat Riley because [00:02:30] I missed my haircut last week or two weeks, maybe three ago. So it's getting a little shaggy.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:36):
Oh, are you going to

Leo Laporte (00:02:37):
Here? I'm going away with Go away.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:39):
Away with your shaggy.

Leo Laporte (00:02:40):
Yeah, going to Green Bay, Wisconsin to show off my hairdo. This is the show where we answer your computer questions and technology questions and all that at seven two four two eight eight four. That's a phone number. You can call that with a phone. Imagine that. Wow.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:57):
A phone making calls. [00:03:00] Also with your phone you can open up that browser and go to call TWIT TV and when you go there it'll pop you into a Zoom waiting room where you can then be brought live on air to join us and ask questions here on Ask the Tech guys. That's call TWIT tv. Your microphone and your camera right there on your phone will serve as your means of being able to communicate

Leo Laporte (00:03:27):
With us. We also are capable of ignoring your email and [00:03:30] ATG twit tv and we don't intentionally ignore it, but there is quite a stack

Mikah Sargent (00:03:39):
Of emails. That's a lot of email and if you call during the week, so whenever we're off air at that 8 8 8 7 2 4, what happens? You got busy signal. You don't get a busy signal, you get to leave a voicemail where we'll be able to listen to that and answer your question during the show.

Leo Laporte (00:03:53):
Why do they put this? They do this on purpose so far back.

Mikah Sargent (00:03:58):
We need to get a little rolly cart to put it [00:04:00] on for you. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:04:00):
Okay. Yeah. Let's get the show underway with a little conversation about our brand new Apple regalia.

Mikah Sargent (00:04:11):

Leo Laporte (00:04:13):
Brand new Apple regalia has arrived. That would be a phone, that might be a watch

Mikah Sargent (00:04:20):
For some of you. Yes,

Leo Laporte (00:04:21):
Yes. I got the new Apple Ultra you want to see and that is the new watch face there. Oh gosh, there it is. [00:04:30] So it's just a watch face. What happened is though, they go farther the edge, so now they can have, these are seconds, but you could also have it be depth. Yes. Then I thought, well I'm going to leave it seconds. I rarely get underwater.

Mikah Sargent (00:04:47):

Leo Laporte (00:04:47):
Enough's the bathtub, but a lot of complications. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 complications. For some reason the date complication is bigger than the time I got to work on that. Yeah, that's a little frustrating, [00:05:00] but it's nice. It's pretty much the same.

Mikah Sargent (00:05:03):
Have you been gesturing?

Leo Laporte (00:05:04):
Oh, I forgot. So what do I do? I forgot. I could do that.

Mikah Sargent (00:05:08):
One thing you could do is go into the music app or something that plays media and they

Leo Laporte (00:05:14):
Changed by the way. They changed. Used to be you swipe up to get to your settings, swipe, swipe up to get to your notifications, which is fine.

Mikah Sargent (00:05:22):
Yeah, it's a little widget screen that has kind

Leo Laporte (00:05:24):
Of your, now you press this to get the settings size is okay and all of those settings [00:05:30] are there. So if I play some music on here, maybe?

Mikah Sargent (00:05:33):
Yes. I think if you launched the music app,

Leo Laporte (00:05:35):
Alright, let's or Audible, audible would

Mikah Sargent (00:05:38):
Work. Audible would probably work,

Leo Laporte (00:05:39):
But we don't know. Let's do the music app just to make sure I music. Alright and now I'm going to listen now to something fine. Where does it want to play? I don't know.

Mikah Sargent (00:05:55):

Leo Laporte (00:05:55):
Guess play on the iPhone. That's fine. Okay, now it's playing. [00:06:00] By the way, that music interface now is album art, which is kind of nice. I'm playing a whole lot of love now. What if I do

Mikah Sargent (00:06:06):
In theory now you should be able to pinch to a double and this is why we say in theory, I wonder if it's a feature you have to enable. Please, please. Let me pause.

Leo Laporte (00:06:21):
My muscles are getting sore from all this. Nothing's happening. Well that's fine. That was a lot of fun. I'll do that again some other day. It's one of those

Mikah Sargent (00:06:29):
Weekly [00:06:30] you can showing us

Leo Laporte (00:06:31):
The time where they put a new feature in and everybody gets all excited. Oh, that's cool. Looking good like that. And then nobody ever uses it.

Mikah Sargent (00:06:39):
Yeah, I think that this could end up being a cool feature, but I don't know if it's supposed to happen automatically

Leo Laporte (00:06:47):
Or why. Maybe I need to turn something off.

Mikah Sargent (00:06:49):
Oh, this is why Apple isn't launching double tap and no wearables right away, but says the feature is arriving in October. It's

Leo Laporte (00:06:58):
Not there. [00:07:00] So I bet there's people all over the world going like this.

Mikah Sargent (00:07:04):
I'm sure they are uselessly. I'm sure they are

Leo Laporte (00:07:06):
Unnecessarily, yes. There's another thing they didn't release, which I'm disappointed. So they now have, instead of the silent button on the phone, which I really liked, it was the last phone that had a physical switch. Phones used to have that, a lot of 'em, but they took that away. Now it's just an action button. What I very quickly found out that you could still silence [00:07:30] by tapping the bell in the control center. So that's good.

Mikah Sargent (00:07:33):
People who've used an Apple Watch and silenced it or an iPad and silence it will be familiar with that in control center, the way we've done it there.

Leo Laporte (00:07:41):
So now you can assign, and it's kind of fun because they, boy, they really went all out. They did on the animation.

Mikah Sargent (00:07:49):
The interface for it is kind wild

Leo Laporte (00:07:50):
On the action button. Here's the interface and you can choose different things. Now another thing that's not coming yet is the translation [00:08:00] button, which I think if you're traveling, that would be super cool. You could go, wait a minute, hold on, Tito para vore and then press the button and say, now talk and it would translate. We'll see, that's not out yet. So for a while I thought, well, I'll leave it on silent mode. But then I found the control center thing. Look at that, that animation is that silly?

Mikah Sargent (00:08:21):
Yeah, there's no reason. There's

Leo Laporte (00:08:23):
No reason for that. But I mean I guess they thought they could do that. So I was looking at then I thought camera, [00:08:30] but

Mikah Sargent (00:08:32):
It's easy to get

Leo Laporte (00:08:33):
To get the camera and the volume controls still work as a shutter button, so you don't really need it as a shutter button. So I decided note to

Mikah Sargent (00:08:40):
Self, I like that

Leo Laporte (00:08:42):
Peanut butter raisins. And now I can, when I press it, I press it. You have to hold it for a bit to say this wasn't accidental and now I'm recording and I did that apparently earlier I noticed I was recording and And then you press it again to stop, which is kind of cool. I've taken a note to [00:09:00] self.

Mikah Sargent (00:09:01):
That's a handy one. I've seen several folks who have already started to create a little contextual action buttons. I think Mark Germond ended up being one

Leo Laporte (00:09:11):
Who with a shortcut.

Mikah Sargent (00:09:13):
Yeah. Originally he thought it was going to be for him the get to your favorites contacts and place a call. So I guess he's still someone who calls people weird, but he ended up switching it to an action button where when it, [00:09:30] he's away from home, then it can open the garage door as he gets home. And then once you get inside,

Leo Laporte (00:09:37):
Yeah, because shortcuts can say where you are, you say, oh, I'm by the garage door. Okay, do it. So you could do different things. Yeah, you

Mikah Sargent (00:09:44):
Could say, when I to my home wifi, then I want the action button to do this. That's

Leo Laporte (00:09:48):

Mikah Sargent (00:09:49):
Yeah. So that's I think one of the things that we will hear from Rosemary on Tuesday about I have to tell you that I'm a little sad Leo,

Leo Laporte (00:09:58):
You don't like your new

Mikah Sargent (00:09:59):
IPhone. It's [00:10:00] not that. Well, I don't like the one I have because there's something wrong with it. What happened? I have spent the whole weekend when I wasn't asleep trying to get it to work and I think I got a lemon.

Leo Laporte (00:10:16):
What do you mean it won't work at all?

Mikah Sargent (00:10:19):
Because remember we had the call about the restore process and you and I both talked about how easy the restore process is.

Leo Laporte (00:10:24):
That's normally the phone to phone is the way to do it. I couldn't, I gave away my phone a week ahead of time. That is not [00:10:30] a pleasant thing. I had to call T-Mobile to get this EIM activated. Oh lord. And then he said, well, I have to send a text message to your phone. I said, well, you can't, it's not activated. He said, well, you have other numbers. I said, yeah, one's my son in Italy, the other's, my daughter in Rhode Island. You could send them a text message, but I don't. And then he said, well, we'll have to escalate this. So this was problematic given my phone away. Fortunately, I texted my son in Rome and he was up at two in the morning and he said I could do it. So [00:11:00] I was able to get it activated. Oh good. But then I had to do an iCloud Restore, which worked

Mikah Sargent (00:11:05):
Fine. Yeah. So I tried to do the phone to phone transfer. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:11:09):
That's the one we recommend, the

Mikah Sargent (00:11:10):
One we normally do. And it just stalled out. I waited many hours thinking, because this is what I talked about. I preached patients and on iOS today leading up to this, you just let it take its time. Maybe something shouldn't take too long. It shouldn't take too long.

Leo Laporte (00:11:25):
But I thought should take about half an hour.

Mikah Sargent (00:11:26):
Exactly. I thought, you know what? I'm just going to give it time and it wasn't working. And then [00:11:30] I restarted everything and decided to do it just straight up from an iCloud backup didn't work. And then at that point I wasn't even able to get it just spinning. It was spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning. Saying it's the part where after you put in your Apple ID information, then it says activating the phone. So I am trying again this, I was trying again this morning after having done a device firmware [00:12:00] update.

Leo Laporte (00:12:00):
You did the disc F

Mikah Sargent (00:12:02):
U Exactly. The disc. F U. Yes. And that's what I call

Leo Laporte (00:12:06):
It the device for D F U. Yes.

Mikah Sargent (00:12:09):
Yeah. Device, which is the,

Leo Laporte (00:12:10):
So there's a number of resets, but that's the hardest core one. You the hardest. You got to do a little two step, the apple, two step, deep. Deep, perfect timing. But you did that because that's what I was going to suggest.

Mikah Sargent (00:12:20):
Yeah, I did that. That's like

Leo Laporte (00:12:21):
Starts from scratch and you have to download new firmware from there on your Mac,

Mikah Sargent (00:12:24):
And now the screen is just black with a spinning circle.

Leo Laporte (00:12:29):
Your phone [00:12:30] is screwed up.

Mikah Sargent (00:12:31):
Yeah. So I think I ended up getting go to the Apple store. What's next? I'm sorry, I'm bummed. I wanted to, you haven't had

Leo Laporte (00:12:38):
A chance

Mikah Sargent (00:12:38):
To play with it. I haven't had a chance to play with it

Leo Laporte (00:12:40):
Here. You can touch mine.

Mikah Sargent (00:12:42):
No, please. I just want to feel the, what's it

Leo Laporte (00:12:44):
Called? The titanium,

Mikah Sargent (00:12:47):
The moment of inertia.

Leo Laporte (00:12:49):
Yeah. And do you notice? I didn't notice. I mean if you hold both phones you'll notice it, but I didn't notice it. Really

Mikah Sargent (00:12:55):
The smooth edges. Did you see the conversation about how [00:13:00] because they've rounded the glass, apparently the glass is easier to break now. Oh dear. Somebody was doing some drop tests and the drop tests were, they didn't last as long as before, so I don't know. It could be get a case. Get

Leo Laporte (00:13:19):
A case, which is why titanium is silly. People complain that you can scratch the color off on the colored ones. Also that there is a discoloration from titanium, from fingerprints. [00:13:30] Apple admits to that. They say, but you can clean it off. You're the first person to actually touch this. Oh really? I put this in a case immediately.

Mikah Sargent (00:13:38):
Oh wow. Wow.

Leo Laporte (00:13:39):
And this is the fine woven, which really, I think they took basically women's nylon stockings and just wrapped it around a case. That's what it feels like. But you're telling me it's really fine. Super

Mikah Sargent (00:13:51):
Fine. It is incredibly fine.

Leo Laporte (00:13:53):
And then I got this mag safe wallet thing, which is cool because it sees it when you put it on, it goes, oh, you just added your wallet.

Mikah Sargent (00:14:00):
[00:14:00] Yeah, I

Leo Laporte (00:14:00):
Love that. And it will know if you left it, which actually was always a concern about using this as it might fall off, but now it'll say, oh, you dropped your wallet. So this is a pretty nice, you can't do obviously MagSafe charging. I'll have to say the biggest thing, I'm really thrilled. I can now charge this phone with my type C cables, of which I have many, many, many. And so that's a revolution for me. I still have the AirPods and the AirPod Max [00:14:30] that I have to charge with lightning, but I have a little drawer called lightning cables, little drawer. It's like your hardware rack where you have screws and nuts and bolts and lightning cables. And that drawer was getting pretty empty now it's pretty full.

Mikah Sargent (00:14:47):
It's just completely chalk full.

Leo Laporte (00:14:50):
I just took 'em all out and put 'em in the thing. And so now anybody wants a lightning cable.

Mikah Sargent (00:14:56):
Be my guest. I got 'em. Can you show the [00:15:00] I fixit blog with some of those zoomed in photos? Yeah, it is. So it's under the news section. So I think if you go to i, you'll find it. Usually it's under the teardowns, but they didn't do that here this time. And it's called Unweaving, the mystery

Leo Laporte (00:15:17):
Unweaving. The mystery apple's fine woven case. So they say they sold this, they said, this thing is an amazing, okay, [00:15:30] it's 60 bucks.

Mikah Sargent (00:15:32):
It's very, that's the same price that they were charging, right? For the silicone. So that's

Leo Laporte (00:15:40):
All Apple stuff is expensive. So here's 52 x magnification. So these really are fine. And each one is multiple fibers like a rope.

Mikah Sargent (00:15:51):
Yes. And if you like me, are grossed out by human hair, just prepare yourself. There will be a human hair and that rod there, black rod is someone's [00:16:00] human hair,

Leo Laporte (00:16:00):
That's hair. And this is the

Mikah Sargent (00:16:01):
Nylon. And see those thin threads that make up each of those weaves, I think it says in the paragraph below, the average width of a human hair versus that. So yeah, 72 microns, six

Leo Laporte (00:16:15):
Microns is a 12th. The width of a human hair. Wow. Groups of these fibers that make up the threads are 150 microns thick, which is like two hairs thick. [00:16:30] I don't know. Very cool. This is the problem is you get excited about this process and you don't see the forest for the hairs. Is that okay? Fine. But it's a $60 case that plus it's scratches. But now these scratches that you've been talking about, and by the way, I've seen pictures of the apple store of rows and rows of cases with these scratches on 'em. Yeah, but you're saying it's not breaking the fine woven.

Mikah Sargent (00:16:59):
Correct. [00:17:00] If you scroll down, it's just

Leo Laporte (00:17:02):
Looking bad. It's

Mikah Sargent (00:17:03):
Basically basically rearranging those fibers.

Leo Laporte (00:17:06):
Well, now I've screwed it up my casea.

Mikah Sargent (00:17:07):
Oh no.

Leo Laporte (00:17:08):
So you can brush it it with a fine.

Mikah Sargent (00:17:11):
Yes, take a fine, not a fine tooth comb, but take a cloth and kind of run the cloth along there, back and forth. Microfiber is what I'm talking about, or something like that. And it should help to kind of rearrange the fibers because essentially what it's doing is pushing them around. It's not working for [00:17:30] you.

Leo Laporte (00:17:30):
Lemme take a, oh, here's, this is like a shank. A shank carpet rug cloth. All right. Yeah. It's not fixing.

Mikah Sargent (00:17:41):
No, no.

Leo Laporte (00:17:43):

Mikah Sargent (00:17:44):
Oh, that's too bad.

Leo Laporte (00:17:45):
I've ruined my case already. So it's just rearranging the fibers in. So it was reflecting the light differently. It's not, but it isn't aesthetically

Mikah Sargent (00:17:53):
Pleasing. No, it's not. And so that argument is incredibly legit. The people who've said it doesn't look good. [00:18:00] Now I agree, it doesn't look good. The

Leo Laporte (00:18:01):
Verge, the reviewer had the case that Neli Patel had when he first got it, he scratched it. She says, it's still scratched. I can't get rid of Eli's paw prints on this. What else do I need? A toothbrush? Maybe if I use my Sonicare electric toothbrush, I'll bring it to Dr. Mike. Maybe Dr. Michael have something at the dentist office.

Mikah Sargent (00:18:24):
Spray it with this. Yeah. So there's one more photo I wanted you to see. [00:18:30] If you scroll down once or past the

Leo Laporte (00:18:32):
Key, see that's the problem right there. We're showing you the scratching.

Mikah Sargent (00:18:35):
The photo on the left is how the fibers look. Normally the photo in the middle is taking a knife to the fibers don't do that. The photo on the right is what it looks like fingernail after a fingernail. So you can see it's kind of pushed those weaves, those individual threads to the side and kind of rearranged them. And that's what ends up making it look like it does because of how the light reflects.

Leo Laporte (00:18:56):
By the way, that happens with leather too. I mean, we're not saying, so [00:19:00] I usually use a leather case, and that's one of the things I like about leather. It gets a patina of wear after a while, but it is bad for the environment, not just the, I saw a lot of people saying, well, yeah, cows are bad for, it's not the cows. Well, it's partly the cows, but they're going to be probably consumed in other ways. It's the tanning process. Tanning process is not very nice. But I imagine making all these nylon fibers isn't so good for the environment either. That's the problem with greenwashing [00:19:30] is that a lot of times the solution is not better. It just shifts the burden

Mikah Sargent (00:19:35):
To somewhere else. Somewhere

Leo Laporte (00:19:35):

Mikah Sargent (00:19:36):
Yeah, they think so they burned the material to try to determine what it was, and they think it's some sort of polyester, if I remember

Leo Laporte (00:19:45):
Correctly, it looks like nylon

Mikah Sargent (00:19:48):
Based on the scent and the way that it burned.

Leo Laporte (00:19:50):
And they tried to stain it as well with Cheeto fingers.

Mikah Sargent (00:19:53):
And the one thing that really did not go well, actually there were two things

Leo Laporte (00:19:58):
That didn't go on there, the Cheeto fingers.

Mikah Sargent (00:20:00):
[00:20:00] So that's actually hot sauce. And the vinegar actually did damage to the threads, whereas the other stuff, it just kind of sat on the threads, the vinegar and the hot sauce actually did damage.

Leo Laporte (00:20:13):
I have already seen enough, don't buy this case.

Mikah Sargent (00:20:17):
That's where I

Leo Laporte (00:20:17):
Ended up under any circumstances for $69, get a $7 plastic case. We'll protect it as well. And yeah, okay, after eight months it'll look a little yellow and you can get a new one. But this [00:20:30] is a ridiculous choice by Apple.

Mikah Sargent (00:20:33):
I think we're going to see a different thing going forward.

Leo Laporte (00:20:36):
Yeah, fine. Woven my,

Mikah Sargent (00:20:38):
I mean it's certainly fine and it's certainly woven, but fine woven. I don't know,

Leo Laporte (00:20:43):
Was there any other news this week that we haven't covered? I haven't. I mean that Apple thing is a big deal that we'd mentioned. The watch we mentioned the new phone.

Mikah Sargent (00:20:53):
Yeah, I would say,

Leo Laporte (00:20:54):
Oh, I know this is the big one, and I'm sure you'll be very interested in this. Tinder has now unveiled a new service. [00:21:00] Tinder Select.

Mikah Sargent (00:21:01):

Leo Laporte (00:21:02):
So Tinder. Tinder, the high-end Tinder Plus, or sorry, Tinder Platinum is $40 a month. So you pay $40 a month to look for swipe left. Right. Looking for a mate. Tinder Select is $500 a month.

Mikah Sargent (00:21:21):
What you

Leo Laporte (00:21:22):
Must really want to get a date,

Mikah Sargent (00:21:25):
I'm sorry,

Leo Laporte (00:21:26):

Mikah Sargent (00:21:27):
If my date tells me [00:21:30] that they found me through Tinder Select, I am leaving. I don't want someone,

Leo Laporte (00:21:36):
I'm sorry. I think that's the premise is you will only meet other people

Mikah Sargent (00:21:40):
Who would pay 500. I pay other

Leo Laporte (00:21:42):

Mikah Sargent (00:21:44):
So you would meet other crypto bros, is what you're saying.

Leo Laporte (00:21:47):
I can't imagine

Mikah Sargent (00:21:48):
This self-select,

Leo Laporte (00:21:49):
There is this kind of notion, in fact, there are these special dating sites that high worth individuals are somehow better than you and me.

Mikah Sargent (00:21:56):
Yeah, well the idea, I

Leo Laporte (00:21:57):
Don't want them to reproduce.

Mikah Sargent (00:21:59):
I don't want [00:22:00] somebody who's going to be into me only because of my money. I

Leo Laporte (00:22:03):
Don't want anybody poor.

Mikah Sargent (00:22:05):
That's what it really brings up to,

Leo Laporte (00:22:06):
Because then I'll have to buy dinner at time.

Mikah Sargent (00:22:10):
I like that. It's called Tinder Select, because you self-select. That's what this is. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:22:15):
Yeah. Tinder Self-select. Alright. There is, by the way, before we got the iPhones, and by the way, maybe this is what you forgot to do, you have to do 7.0 0.20,

Mikah Sargent (00:22:26):
I did that.

Leo Laporte (00:22:28):
Point one.

Mikah Sargent (00:22:29):
Do this, do this. Yes.

Leo Laporte (00:22:30):
[00:22:30] Point two. Because there are three zero days that have been patched on your iPhone, on your Apple tv, on everything on your max everywhere.

Mikah Sargent (00:22:39):
Updated all folks.

Leo Laporte (00:22:40):
Updated 'em all to your latest, what is it? 13.6, 12.7, 16.7, 17.0 0.1, 17.0, 10.0 0.1, all of that. Get 'em all updated and then I guess before you install your [00:23:00] phone do too. That's funny. So you got a little notice that said, oh, you got a new phone, huh? That's nice. Would you like to join Tinder Select? That's hysterical.

Mikah Sargent (00:23:10):
Oh wow. I'm sorry. I'm are

Leo Laporte (00:23:14):
You're still stuck on the slide.

Mikah Sargent (00:23:15):
Yeah, I'm just trying to think of, I don't know if I want to read it out loud, but Dr. Mom had a really good note in the I R C, so if you're there, you can check that out.

Leo Laporte (00:23:25):
She said stock up on Ceftriaxone. Okay. I don't know [00:23:30] what that means, but it's good to know.

Mikah Sargent (00:23:32):
But what is Tinder's? Why are they doing, I mean, I understand it makes money.

Leo Laporte (00:23:39):
You're really fascinated by

Mikah Sargent (00:23:40):
This. It makes money. I get but does this, it's a

Leo Laporte (00:23:42):
V I P matching service.

Mikah Sargent (00:23:44):
Does it push it? Push. It's only

Leo Laporte (00:23:46):
Available to a small number of highly active users. Oh. And it'll eventually be rolled out to larger number of users.

Mikah Sargent (00:23:53):
Oh my goodness. So their top users are getting

Leo Laporte (00:23:55):

Mikah Sargent (00:23:56):
Hey, pay us more money.

Leo Laporte (00:23:58):

Mikah Sargent (00:23:59):
Okay. This is sad. [00:24:00] I think

Leo Laporte (00:24:02):
You get access to v i p search and match and messaging options.

Mikah Sargent (00:24:08):
What I wonder what that even means.

Leo Laporte (00:24:10):
Well, if you have to ask. Yeah,

Mikah Sargent (00:24:12):
Exactly. If you then

Leo Laporte (00:24:13):
Perhaps you $6,000 a year to get v i p search.

Mikah Sargent (00:24:20):
That is just wild to me. There it was. Was Jerry rig everything? Yeah, that's who did the glass back

Leo Laporte (00:24:26):
Fracture? Fracture. I don't trust. Okay, I'm going to go, I know people love [00:24:30] Jerry Rig and everybody else. I don't trust anything a YouTuber says ever. That's fair. And I'll tell you why. Because YouTube has strongly incented these people to do sensationalistic coverage. Often as a result, you get stuff that isn't really reliable and trustworthy. Now people might say, well, you're just jealous, Leo. Hell yeah. No, but honestly, I don't think that YouTubers a, most of them don't have the same journalistic [00:25:00] ethics or background. Even if they had the ethics, they don't have the understanding, and B, they're strongly incented by the way the YouTube algorithm works. Same with TikTok to do stuff that's sensationalistic. So honestly, people are constantly coming at us with, well you know what they said on, I won't name names, and I say, well fine, they said that, but it's not. They have a different goal in mind there go. Our

Mikah Sargent (00:25:28):
Goal, the goal

Leo Laporte (00:25:29):
Here [00:25:30] is to inform you with the best factual information. So don't expect a lot of reporting on my shows anyway. You can do whatever you want. But on my shows anyway from YouTube channels, who I think, yeah, fine, that's a scientific drop test,

Mikah Sargent (00:25:48):

Leo Laporte (00:25:49):
We now know for a fact I don't

Mikah Sargent (00:25:52):
Buy it, but

Leo Laporte (00:25:53):
You see how it gets in the consciousness. People at some point detach the source from the fact and then [00:26:00] everybody says, well I saw somewhere, I can't remember, but it must be true. I keep

Mikah Sargent (00:26:03):
Seeing it and yeah, I had read it on nine to five Mac and they for me are a more trusted source. But now looking back at the article, this was just from that video.

Leo Laporte (00:26:14):
So look, I love these videos and I know you guys do and you all watch 'em, but I'm not going to report stuff from those sources. Linus tactic has gotten in a big trouble because it's not right. So I'm just not going to do it anymore.

Mikah Sargent (00:26:29):
Yeah, that's

Leo Laporte (00:26:29):
Fair. [00:26:30] We'll look for reliable sources and that's frankly, that's our job. Since we don't do a lot of reporting, I'm not going to drop my precious iPhone for nothing. So we have to go out and look at what other people are saying and I trust I fix it for instance. So we vet people and we always have done that. We always will consider the source before we do it. So I think we've wasted enough of your time. Who's coming up on the show today? Anthony Nielsen filling in for John Ashley [00:27:00] got a lot of callers, but besides callers, do we have any Dickie d Dick D Bartolo at the top of the hour? MAD's Madis writer coming up. We will get to our calls. We have lots of callers. Thank you all. We appreciate it. Thank you. But before we do that, I think it would be good to talk about a c i Learning our show today brought to you by those great folks at a c i Learning, you know the name it Pro.

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Dr Mom (00:32:41):
Hear me?

Leo Laporte (00:32:42):
Yeah. Hi Lillian, how are you?

Dr Mom (00:32:45):
I'm fine.

Leo Laporte (00:32:46):
I put up the picture of the needlework. When did you do that for me? Ages ago.

Dr Mom (00:32:52):
Ages ago. It was after you did that webinar and you got mad at one of the other hosts and told him, I'm not [00:33:00] going to repeat the words. What did he do

Leo Laporte (00:33:01):
With himself? Oh, Mike Harrington. Screw you. That one.

Dr Mom (00:33:05):
Yes, I made you that. After that you made

Leo Laporte (00:33:06):
That. That was way back in the cottage days. That's wild. Wow.

Dr Mom (00:33:11):
It was things you could say on the air that the F C C wasn't going to get mad at you about.

Leo Laporte (00:33:14):
Yeah, because it's a podcast. I could say anything I want. Nice. Not in a million years. Loser. Go fly a kite, get bent. Where did you find that pattern?

Dr Mom (00:33:26):
A designer called Raise the Roof design. She went out of [00:33:30] business but she was known for doing designs like that.

Leo Laporte (00:33:32):
It's so fantastic. I still have it by the way. It's in my house though. I put it on the door to my office,

Dr Mom (00:33:40):
Believe it or not. I have a question for you, something I don't know and I need you to help me spend money. Yes. My old Pixel book is finally dying. The battery's no longer holding a charge and I'm noticing a little bulge in the keyboard, so I think it's just going.

Leo Laporte (00:33:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The battery's dead. Yeah,

Dr Mom (00:33:56):
And Google's not making pixel books anymore. I need one for business [00:34:00] so it doesn't have to be a super high resolution screen, but I need a fast processor. You

Leo Laporte (00:34:05):
Want a Chromebook again?

Dr Mom (00:34:07):
Yeah, because it's perfect for when I'm traveling and I have to access patient confidential information. Nothing is stored on it. Oh, that's

Leo Laporte (00:34:14):

Dr Mom (00:34:14):
If I lose it, I send the white command to it. The second somebody else finds it, picks it up and turns it on, connects it to the internet, it's gone. All my data's gone off. So it's the best security choice.

Leo Laporte (00:34:27):
First of all, Kevin Tofus about [00:34:30] is a great place to go for reviews. He tries a lot of different Chromebooks. I know that he likes the Acer Chromebooks a lot. They have a wide range of choices depending on your budget, but he likes the spin, which is their top of the line. $700 Chromebook, a solid aluminum body. It has a Ryzen five processor, which is not of course top of the line, but you don't need that in a Chromebook. Eight gigs of memory. That's fine for a Chromebook, although you can get more I believe for a little bit more money. [00:35:00] 120 gigs of storage. Nice 10 80 p screen. It's a touch screen so I know that's one of the ones that he's for years recommended and we've talked to a lot of people who really like the Acer Chromebook spin.

Dr Mom (00:35:13):
We'll take a look at it then.

Leo Laporte (00:35:14):
Yeah, the problem is nothing is as good as the Pixel book. Google made those and they were a thousand bucks, right? The price was no object. They had a real Intel processor, they had a lot of ram. My daughter still uses hers, it still works, but in March it's going to [00:35:30] expire. It's going to run out of a runway. That's why I was very glad to learn, and I'm sure you probably heard us talk it that Google with going forward with all new Chromebooks, whoever you buy it from, you're going to get 10 years and that's because schools were complaining that after six years their Chromebooks weren't getting security updates and what are we going to do with this thing? So now it's 10 years, which I think is plenty of, that's a good thing for support.

Dr Mom (00:35:59):
For me, the Chromebook [00:36:00] is the ideal travel laptop because if something happens to it, you lose it. You can secure the information, you can just get it off

Leo Laporte (00:36:09):
There is the thing that's closest to the Pixel book is from framework. Now we've talked about framework before. They're the ones that let you do it yourself and replace pieces. I love my framework laptop. In fact, I just ordered the 15 inch or the 16 inch that will be coming out soon and these are [00:36:30] nice because they are hardware upgradable, unclear about the Chromebook. It's basically the same framework laptop. So they have a really nice three by two screen, which I prefer, frankly very good keyboard, but it's a thousand dollars. So it really is going to depend on what your price point is. You can configure this as you would like. One of the things framework does is it lets you have different expansion cards. So you can have [00:37:00] a display port or HT M i, you can even have ethernet. I don't think anybody makes a Chromebook with ethernet, so that's nice. You can also expand storage if you want. So I love these because these parts are replaceable, but it's unclear on the framework, on the regular framework, windows, laptops, or I guess I should say PCs because I run Linux on my, you can actually even replace some other board when a new microprocessor comes out, you can upgrade it, things like that. And they've stood by that promise. [00:37:30] A thousand bucks is a lot for a Chromebook. You're going to get a 12th generation Intel processor. That's probably the fastest processor anybody puts in a Chromebook.

Dr Mom (00:37:40):
I'm not concerned with the speed because I'm not doing graphics on it. I'm accessing databases and such, so I don't need the super high speed or the SER high quality graphics processor. I just need a good solid workhorse.

Leo Laporte (00:37:53):
Yeah, I mean I guess if price is an issue, Acer has a full range, their aluminum body, [00:38:00] which is nice. If you want to get probably the best Chromebook out there, I'd say framework. I really like what Framework's doing and I'll

Dr Mom (00:38:07):
Take a look at

Leo Laporte (00:38:07):
It. I have a framework laptop, but it is, it's a lot of money. It's a little bit expensive. Does somebody, Joe, you have one? Somebody in our I R C I think says he has one of the framework Chromebook. He says that he likes it. It's nice.

Dr Mom (00:38:25):
I'll go take a look at it. Just, I loved that Pixel book. It was wonderful and when it started [00:38:30] to go, I'd go back on Google and I'm making 'em anymore. No,

Leo Laporte (00:38:33):
And that was a great laptop. My daughter's still using it. She loves it. I gave her a Mac, she said, no, no, I like the Pixel book.

Dr Mom (00:38:41):
It's so easy. I'm going to plug in the new one. Sign into it and everything I had on the old one's just going to pop right over.

Leo Laporte (00:38:46):
Yeah, yeah.

Dr Mom (00:38:48):
It's a really, Joe

Leo Laporte (00:38:49):
Does not have the Chromebook version. He has the regular PC framework. I have a framework as well, so I agree with you Joe. Those are very nice. Yeah, I mean what's unclear [00:39:00] is because Google has to certify it as a Chromebook, even though technically that would be upgradeable and I guess if you want to make it a PC then you don't have to think about that. It's really unclear what they've done with these Chromebooks or how locked down they are and so forth. And I think some of that's just Google's requirements. Of course Google does make the Pixel book go. I'm not underwhelmed by that.

Dr Mom (00:39:22):
I took a look at it and I said, that's not what I need a good solid keyboard. I need a good processor to deal with databases. [00:39:30] I said, I mean the ethernet port would be nice, but I have a U S B ethernet adapter

Leo Laporte (00:39:35):
So you don't care.

Dr Mom (00:39:35):
And I just plugged that in as long as

Leo Laporte (00:39:37):
I've got. Acer is really in this business for the long haul. If Upgradeability and Replaceability is not an issue, frameworks are super repairable, but you pay the price for it

Dr Mom (00:39:48):
Right now. Question, what did you think of the new Amazon Alexis thing? They announced,

Mikah Sargent (00:39:53):

Leo Laporte (00:39:57):
You weren't invited to the event were you

Dr Mom (00:39:59):
Should be. No, I [00:40:00] want for you to, so much of it's vaporware. I mean it exactly,

Mikah Sargent (00:40:05):
But this was the first year I talked about this a little bit on Tech News weekly. One of the things that I did like about this is the company didn't do what they normally do with announcing a bunch of ways to beta test by selling products to people. They have done that way too much and I think that it is dishonest. I mean [00:40:30] to be frank, it's honest in that they're saying, Hey, this is a beta test, but there's a little bit of dishonesty in the practice of making people buy your product and then asking for you to say what's wrong with it. And they've done that so much with these spaghetti projects that end up the product just stops working or if it works, it works at a much less useful way. So I was happy to see a little bit more focus this time and [00:41:00] I am curious to see the impact that the generative AI with the large language models is going to have on ALE X a's ability to understand our intent. That could end up seeing me using a voice OSS again for the first time in a long time because up to this point that stuff just continues to disappoint me.

Leo Laporte (00:41:24):
So this is something by the way, Google's going to do with Google Assistant. The rumors are Apple's working on an L L [00:41:30] M to enhance Siri with, did Amazon say when they're going to add AI to

Dr Mom (00:41:37):
No, it's going to be rolling out. I signed up for the early, remember that's how I got an Amazon. You know what I think six months before you did I hit the lottery with getting an early access to the old Pringles Can one. Yeah. I like the fact that they're moving with some of the screen ones to be able to control it with eye motion and such, which is really important for people with disabilities. That to me is important, but I have to see it rolling out, but to me it's like [00:42:00] the newly announced euro. They don't have F C C approval for it.

Mikah Sargent (00:42:04):
You're kidding. I didn't know. Wow. We

Leo Laporte (00:42:06):
Said flat out this is the wifi seven version of the Euro,

Dr Mom (00:42:10):
The wifi seven. They do not have, I'm assuming F C C approval is going to come unless they did something very strange and the hub to me is disappointing because they left out.

Mikah Sargent (00:42:21):
Yeah, they should have. I agree. They should have continued with the protocols that are already there. Just as a background, they're

Leo Laporte (00:42:26):
Going with threat and matter as opposed to

Dr Mom (00:42:28):
Z Wavery. They went with Fred, they went [00:42:30] with Matter, but I don't know if you've ever noticed, ZigBee has a tendency to sit on top of your wifi networks,

Mikah Sargent (00:42:36):

Dr Mom (00:42:37):
Yes. And so I have a smart home where you walk into rooms, lights turn on off, all sorts of things. My cat litter box, the second the cat gets out of it, a fan turns on in the room for 10 minutes to vent the room out. Everything is either wifi or Z-wave. I do not use ZigBee because I had a couple of 'em and it just messed up with the wifi. They kept colliding with each other.

Leo Laporte (00:43:00):
[00:43:00] I will be very interested to see what happens as the current guy running the division is leaving and Panos pane is moving over from Microsoft to run that Echo division and the hardware devices division. So that's another big question Mark, what will Panos do when he gets in there? Will he change everything around? I think that's one of the reasons Amazon is a little hesitant to actually announce these products or to ship these products.

Dr Mom (00:43:29):
Well they had one, I think [00:43:30] my gut feeling is they should have announced it later in the year for the holiday presents. They have their version of these tiny echo dot with a screen for kids

Mikah Sargent (00:43:39):
To market Disney to kids. Right?

Dr Mom (00:43:43):
Right. What I'm saying it's a kids designed Echo device, but if you look at all this, they say if you want to use Z-Wave, you got to put another hub on it then what do I need this for?

Leo Laporte (00:43:56):
Yeah. As Amazon admitted that they lose billions of [00:44:00] dollars every year running the Echo service because it didn't pan out that people bought stuff with it. So I think the whole thing is you've got a new leader coming in. There were rumors that perhaps they would start charging for use of Echo. My concern about adding a large language model AI to this or any of these voice assistants is they're going to get Gabby and I don't want that.

Mikah Sargent (00:44:25):
So this is what I hope happens and what it [00:44:30] appears is happening and it's something that I think I first heard about Apple doing this and it seems like the other companies are catching on because we had Google and Microsoft who rolled out a chatbot and what comes with that are a whole host of issues where the chatbot does something that you don't expect and then you have to explain why your company is saying that some lunar landing module happened that didn't actually [00:45:00] happen. But what Amazon appears to be doing is something that Apple reportedly told is doing internally and that is using the large language models, not as a way to create a chatbot, but as a way to make it so that what we tell the system to do the system can understand. So it is processing our language and then turning it into computer instruction [00:45:30] and then it is my understanding that outside of the work that they're doing on the voice of the assistant to make it feel more engaging and less robotic, that it is still going to be doing the normal stuff that it's done thus far, but it'll finally be able to understand and I don't have to talk to it in its specific diction so to speak.

I don't think it's as far as dialect tell,

Dr Mom (00:45:55):
I have two grandchildren, a three-year-old and a five-year-old, and I find it understands them very well and if you've ever [00:46:00] talked to a three-year-old, even though he's a very verbal, it tends to be, yeah, grandma honey want to do this. In other words, they don't speak adult English and I find it's pretty good they can control it.

Mikah Sargent (00:46:14):

Dr Mom (00:46:16):
They put stuff on it. You're not going to be able to email things, send emails to it with your calendar. It's going to add it to a calendar and inform people and stuff, but it surprised me how much of this was vaporware. This was like, [00:46:30] we don't have approval, we don't have it yet. This is what we're thinking about.

Leo Laporte (00:46:34):
Yeah. It's also they have a problem, which is it's a money losing division and what else are you going to add to this? Well,

Dr Mom (00:46:42):
If you saw the guard is now going to guard plus and you have to pay for it.

Leo Laporte (00:46:46):

Dr Mom (00:46:47):
The old security where it would listen if you heard glass breaking in the house, let

Leo Laporte (00:46:51):
You know pay for that. I think we're going to see more and more of that as they try to monetize

Dr Mom (00:46:55):
And they're supposedly going to map your house to control it. I dunno how they want to do [00:47:00] that. If you only have one in the house, unless they're going to look at every smart device and say you

Leo Laporte (00:47:03):
Got a robot, you to buy a IRO Roomba. And then when everything's smart, I remember I'm less and less impressed by all of these devices. My mom has an echo and we set it up for her and that way we can call, ask it to remind her of things. Those simple useful tools are probably all you need to put in one of these things. I don't know how much smarter you [00:47:30] want it to be to be

Dr Mom (00:47:30):
Honest. My daughter uses, I got her one when I traded in, a bunch of old ones had some credit and I got her a 15 and they use it for the family whiteboard, in other words, put on the kids' gymnastic thing put on and there's a button there the boys can use to say, we need to call mom if she's not home and they'll tap on it.

Leo Laporte (00:47:46):
Oh, that's nice. I tried the dickens to get everybody in the family to go echo add mayonnaise to my shopping list, which it does very well. And we have that sticky note printer, which will print the shopping list with little check boxes and all that stuff. [00:48:00] They did it for a couple of times and now they're back to writing it on a piece of paper which is hanging next to the refrigerator and it works and they're happy with it. When they want to go to the store, they tear it off, they put it in their pocket and they go. And I think what's happening is people are just going, that was a gimmicky, that was cool. But except for people, early adopters like us, the three of us, I don't know if this is going to take the world by storm and then there's this additional issue where do you want a microphone in your house listening to you that's run by [00:48:30] some big tech company.

Mikah Sargent (00:48:33):
Despite my knowledge of how the tech works and knowing with certainty about it, not listening to you at all times or at least not collecting the information. We know it's not right. My partner's family, when they come over to our place, I unplug everything because they are uncomfortable being home with

Leo Laporte (00:48:54):
It. I think we're about to see a big tech lash. People are done with subscriptions. They're tired of [00:49:00] nickeling and dimming me to death. They're done with these big tech things that they have to spend a lot of brain cycles not only to figure out but to maintain and keep operating. I suspect a lot of people are going to start ripping this stuff out of the house, putting it on the curb and saying, let's go back to the old way of doing things. Maybe that's just an old guy, but I really think people are kind of fed up with the promise. Big tech has

Dr Mom (00:49:23):
Given. I mean, I went over a lot of this stuff. I mean most of the thing I use my smart home for now. Like I said, the cat sandbox [00:49:30] is in a small room that is a ceiling fan venting and second that sees motion in there. Motion detector turns fan on for 10 minutes,

Leo Laporte (00:49:38):
But you're a geek. No one else in the world is going to do that.

Dr Mom (00:49:42):
The other things, I have a refrigerator in the garage. I have an open and closed sensor on it. If it doesn't close properly or it's left open, it's good. I get a notification. I mean to me that's useful tech or like the patients I deal with who have physical disabilities where they can voice unlocking

Leo Laporte (00:49:58):
Doors of having

Dr Mom (00:49:59):
To handout.

Leo Laporte (00:50:00):
[00:50:00] Yes, people with disabilities love the echoes and for a lot of different reasons. That makes sense and that's

Dr Mom (00:50:05):
Why I like where they're going to do it, where they can track the eyes better and you're going to be able to command it with the eyes. You have people who are quadriplegic. Right, and

Leo Laporte (00:50:13):
No, that's a very good point.

Dr Mom (00:50:14):
Understand the voice fine, but if it can track the eye movements and sit there and say, okay, I'm looking up this way. Turn on that light. That's a huge plus for these people.

Leo Laporte (00:50:24):
Dr. Mom, is that an operating room light you have over your head? Are you in the ER right now?

Dr Mom (00:50:29):
No. [00:50:30] It's a magnifier because

Leo Laporte (00:50:32):
For needle

Dr Mom (00:50:33):
Work, I'm going to make Micah happy. I'm knitting a La Shaw. Oh

Mikah Sargent (00:50:37):
And a green. That's such a pretty

Leo Laporte (00:50:38):
Green. Very pretty. Yeah.

Dr Mom (00:50:40):
Color stripes in

Leo Laporte (00:50:42):
His first.

Dr Mom (00:50:43):
I love it,

Leo Laporte (00:50:45):
Dr. Mom, always a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you for your call. She's our echo expert. We appreciate it.

Dr Mom (00:50:51):
If I ever get my hands on any of these pieces of vaporware, I'll let you know.

Mikah Sargent (00:50:54):
Yes, please do.

Leo Laporte (00:50:56):
Yeah. I love your reviews, so when you do let us know, please.

Dr Mom (00:50:59):

Leo Laporte (00:50:59):
Got it. Thanks [00:51:00] Dr. Mom. Okay, thanks.

Dr Mom (00:51:01):
Thank you. Take care. Thanks. I'm about to go buy a Chromebook now.

Leo Laporte (00:51:03):
Yeah, let's go buy a nice Chromebook. Yeah, give us a review once you get it.

Dr Mom (00:51:08):
Will do. Okay. Bye.

Leo Laporte (00:51:09):
Dick d Barolo. MAD's Mads writer just around the corner with his gizmo or a gadget of the week in just a bit. Micah, Sergeant Leo LaPorte, you're listening, watching Ask the tech guys.

Dr Mom (00:51:25):
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Leo Laporte (00:52:25):
Texas cops searching for brisket. Bandit who strolled out of Walmart with over $200 [00:52:30] worth of meat.

Mikah Sargent (00:52:32):
Sorry, did you say Walmart?

Leo Laporte (00:52:33):

Mikah Sargent (00:52:34):
Okay. Because I thought maybe there's a different place I don't know about.

Leo Laporte (00:52:37):
Okay. Hey, Texas, you want to have a nice barbecue? Don't get your brisket at Walmart.

Mikah Sargent (00:52:44):
Amen. Agree. What

Leo Laporte (00:52:45):
Are you doing? I mean, what are you doing Mr. Dick d Bart MAD's, Mads writer and our gizmo wizard. Whoops. Yep. Gizmo, are you there? Dicky? I thought I heard his [00:53:00] voice. I am. Whoa. He's here. Tell us

Mikah Sargent (00:53:05):
I'm here and I have a very weird screen coming back from you. I'm seeing 10 different screens. Oh, that's cool. Ah. What about now? Still 10. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:53:16):
Dick, just close your eyes when you talk to us. That's okay. We see you. We do see all that matters. Okay, that's fine.

Mikah Sargent (00:53:22):
That's fine. Okay, I see you, but you're this big, but [00:53:30] in my heart, you're way bigger than

Leo Laporte (00:53:33):
Now. You've been into technology going way, way back. You got the first answering machine, right? You and,

Mikah Sargent (00:53:40):
Yeah. Yeah. With reels.

Leo Laporte (00:53:41):
Yeah. With reels, yes. So you have been a fan of this stuff. Do you think I'm off base When I say Pete, there's going to be a backlash. People are going to get like, this stuff's crap. Get it out of the house. We're done with it. We were sold a bill of goods by big tech. It doesn't [00:54:00] work. We don't like it.

Mikah Sargent (00:54:03):
Do you ever get

Leo Laporte (00:54:04):
To that point?

Mikah Sargent (00:54:05):
I am to the point where things are just too complicated. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:54:09):
And it's not age. They're too complicated.

Mikah Sargent (00:54:12):
Yeah. The funny stories I saw was at c e s one year, I forgot the company. You went up to the trash can and it opened automatically because it saw you put your hand like that. And I thought, oh, this is good. You approach it, your hands are full. And the following year he [00:54:30] said, Dick, you like that? I know you did a review and you said you liked it. We have the automatic paper roll dispenser now. Come on. I said, okay. So I walk up to it. I said, well, it hasn't done anything. I said, go into the menu. Do you want one sheet or two

Leo Laporte (00:54:51):
Sheets? That's great. Just what we need. No, you just go crimp.

Mikah Sargent (00:54:54):
Yeah, exactly. Stacey.

Leo Laporte (00:54:56):
Stacey, he could bother as a faucet that you put a glass [00:55:00] there, say Give me five ounces of water and it will go for five ounces. It's like, come on on, man. I think we're going to see kind of a swing of the pendulum in the other direction. It's gone too far. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:55:15):
Importantly, I think because if you hear this, what you're saying out of context, it could give the impression that you're saying that all of the technology is going to go on the sidewalk, but what you're saying is this technology that is [00:55:30] sort of newer and is trying to solve problems, we don't have the echo. Those are, they're

Leo Laporte (00:55:36):
Trying to continue to expand at the rate that they were expanding and make more and more and more money. And where does that money come from? Out of our pockets for products of dubious merit.

Mikah Sargent (00:55:49):
I will say one of the newer sort of gimmicky things I do like my robo vacuum that I don't have to vacuum. My florist is quite nice. Oh yeah. Well that makes sense. And of course we [00:56:00] look at the accessibility angle there as well.

Leo Laporte (00:56:02):
Accessibility is a different matter and mom was right to bring that up. If you're disabled or you have a disability in some form or fashion, they're definitely, these tools could be very handy. But that's a specialized market. I think the general market, and look, I'm going to do twit unplugged in about a year and we're going to get rid of all this stuff and I'll just shout and anybody within the sound of my voice, you'll be able to do the [00:56:30] show

Mikah Sargent (00:56:31):
Extra. Extra.

Leo Laporte (00:56:32):
We had a Roomba and I got the idea, but we still had to vacuum it. The Roomba would vacuum, but we still had to vacuum.

Mikah Sargent (00:56:40):
It didn't do a good enough job.

Leo Laporte (00:56:41):
And it's like, well, if I still have to vacuum, what do I need? This thing. And it would wake up in the middle of the night. I've told this story before it would go and then there was a hutch in the living room that was just a little too small and it would go under it and then get stuck and go bonk Bon [00:57:00] at three in the morning bonk me. Finally. I just took it out and I put it under the wheel of Lisa's car out in the garage. But unfortunately she saw it before. She dang crushed it, but I think she got the message because the Roomba is gone.

Mikah Sargent (00:57:13):
Oh my gosh. Oh

Leo Laporte (00:57:14):
My. Anyway, Dick, give us a gadget that will be putting on the doorstep.

Mikah Sargent (00:57:18):
Okay. So there were two events earlier this month with announcing gadgets. Well, mainly toys. They expect to be big at Christmas.

Leo Laporte (00:57:28):
Nice. It's time.

Mikah Sargent (00:57:29):
As [00:57:30] you would've

Leo Laporte (00:57:30):
Been putting up Halloween, we've been putting up Halloween decorations like Halloween. It seems like we just took them down. Okay.

Mikah Sargent (00:57:37):
Yeah, it's fall folks. It's fall. It's fall. So no surprise. There is a lot of Barbie stuff on list.

Leo Laporte (00:57:47):
Well, everything's pink these days, isn't it?

Mikah Sargent (00:57:49):
Yes. Alright, so the Barbie Dream house, wait a minute. 2020.

Leo Laporte (00:57:54):
It's smaller than, it's bigger than a small child. This thing is grown.

Mikah Sargent (00:57:59):
Yes. [00:58:00] This thing is almost a foot and a half wide. It's huge. It's five feet long and it's almost four feet high. It's bigger

Leo Laporte (00:58:10):
Than some apartments I've had. Yes,

Mikah Sargent (00:58:13):
I am living in that.

Leo Laporte (00:58:16):
It's kind of slide.

Mikah Sargent (00:58:19):
Yes, exactly. It's a dream house. That's true. It has integrated lighting and it has an elevator.

Leo Laporte (00:58:27):
You know what? It doesn't have dolls not included.

Mikah Sargent (00:58:30):
[00:58:30] You are absolutely

Leo Laporte (00:58:32):
Right. There's no dolls. Absolutely.

Mikah Sargent (00:58:34):
There are no dolls. It comes with a doggy. Okay. But no dolls, but it has sound effects. The microwave mixing noise and the bell rings when it's ready and the toilet flushes. I'm sorry, it's kind of fun. Just sound not, I would've been the kid disappointed that you couldn't put water in it and make it actually fresh.

Leo Laporte (00:58:54):
You don't how many plastic bags you could make from each and every one of these Barbie dreamhouse.

Mikah Sargent (00:58:58):
Maybe it is made from plastic bags.

Leo Laporte (00:59:00):
[00:59:00] Oh, maybe it

Mikah Sargent (00:59:00):
Is. It could be. Could be.

Leo Laporte (00:59:02):
As long as it's not version plastic.

Mikah Sargent (00:59:05):
Okay. Then something I thought Mattel would never agree to, and even in their commercials they don't show it happening, is there's something new called the Bobby Hop Reveal root series. That's a

Leo Laporte (00:59:21):
Long, what the hell? Hell is that?

Mikah Sargent (00:59:23):
Yeah. Yes. Even in the photo they provided the doll's not in it. The doll's not included. The doll goes into [00:59:30] a glass, you get a straw when you pop the straw through, the barbie doll gets slimed. Okay. Excuse theory. So many

Leo Laporte (00:59:43):

Mikah Sargent (00:59:43):
Yes. Now you'll see, they show you the doll, they show you the slime. They do not show you the

Leo Laporte (00:59:50):
Doll and the

Mikah Sargent (00:59:51):
Slime. Yes. And when I was at the show, the woman said, I'm going to do a clean demo for you. And I thought, what is this nude Bobby? What is [01:00:00] she talking about?

Leo Laporte (01:00:00):
A clean, a clean demo.

Mikah Sargent (01:00:02):
A clean demo was not to pop the slime to spill on the doll. Okay. Does the cup become a normal cup that you can drink out of afterwards? No. You've got slime in it. Well, you could wash it and you can wash it off. Bobby changes colors with the slime. There are other little toys in the bottle.

Leo Laporte (01:00:24):
What Mattel has realized is if they do an ad on for children [01:00:30] that they will pester their parents endlessly until they buy them this piece of crap. Bobby

Mikah Sargent (01:00:35):
Pop fruit series, Bobby Pop

Leo Laporte (01:00:37):
Fruit series do, and then three days later it's, it's

Mikah Sargent (01:00:41):
Done. Why don't you

Leo Laporte (01:00:42):
Play with that slime ball thing I bought you at great expense. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (01:00:46):
It's terrible. And then finally from Bobby. Bobby Monopoly.

Leo Laporte (01:00:51):
Well now you're talking.

Mikah Sargent (01:00:53):
Okay. Okay. So I love it. Be anything you want to be. As long as it's one of the six [01:01:00] occupations that we have cards for in this game. So she has her own money. And the funny thing about it is the four corners are the original four corners of all of us who have played monopoly. The get out of jail, the free card, I forgot what the other coins

Leo Laporte (01:01:18):
Are. The Barbie jail is not like Rikers Island. I mean, it's a nice

Mikah Sargent (01:01:21):
Jail. If you go to Barbie jail, it's pink. You get slimed. You all lucky if you get in there? Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:01:28):
Yeah. I want to go to Barbie jail. [01:01:30] Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:01:31):
And then the other thing,

Leo Laporte (01:01:32):
I love the cards. You have some examples of the, I guess they don't call 'em Chance and Community Chest anymore.

Mikah Sargent (01:01:40):
Oh no, I think they're big dream. What are they?

Leo Laporte (01:01:42):
Dream closet and dream per year.

Mikah Sargent (01:01:44):
Yes. And that's kind of interesting that they equate that, isn't it? Do you want a dream career or would you prefer a dream closet?

Leo Laporte (01:01:54):
And you have on your page at Gizz as an example of one of these cards. Your mic [01:02:00] goes out during your sold out Dream Pink concert. Go to jail.

Mikah Sargent (01:02:04):

Leo Laporte (01:02:05):
That's not illegal because

Mikah Sargent (01:02:06):
My mic went

Leo Laporte (01:02:07):
Out. My mic went out.

Mikah Sargent (01:02:09):

Leo Laporte (01:02:09):
Wow. Well, alright, so is this aimed at young girls? Is that really?

Mikah Sargent (01:02:16):
Yes. Okay. Well you know what? First of all, I love the movie and I thought, I can't imagine the meetings that went on between Mattel and the people who wrote the

Leo Laporte (01:02:29):
Movie. Do they license [01:02:30] this stuff? You think?

Mikah Sargent (01:02:32):
You know what Mattel sale, I got this little report from one of the, yes, they have gone up 25% since the movie opened.

Leo Laporte (01:02:44):
Even I, Justine, speaking of YouTube Stars is wearing pink now and she's selling pink u s b cables on her site

Mikah Sargent (01:02:57):
After I spent so much money on the green [01:03:00] cables for the mutant turtles that I thought was going to be a big hit. Wow.

Leo Laporte (01:03:05):

Mikah Sargent (01:03:06):
Alright. And then one other thing, and this might be good. It's Hot Wheels Rift Rally. Okay. So it's not like the old fashioned Hot Wheels. It's from Hasbro, which is now part of Mattel, by the way. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:03:23):
Really? Oh

Mikah Sargent (01:03:25):
Yeah. So the car has an AC camera in it, and it comes with these [01:03:30] gates and then it's mixed reality. You raced the car, but on your Oh, that's kind of cool. Yes. On your, let me see what it looks.

Leo Laporte (01:03:40):
So you put on a helmet and you're seeing the car's

Mikah Sargent (01:03:43):
Pov, you'll just see it on your screen. It also, yeah, it works with the PlayStation, the iPhone or the iPad or there's H C M I out. If you want to run it back to, you might have to get this Mike. That's kind of cool. I think [01:04:00] what I like about it is when you see the commercials, you see cars sort of sparking and doing that. And then when you get the real cause at home, they don't do any of that. Now when you play at home on your screen, the wheels are sparking. Ah. Right. And you see a living room, but there's another reality over your living room. Okay. So it's like an AR experience. That's exactly what it is. And if you want, you can hit a [01:04:30] game where monsters will come down and try and grab your car. This sounds fun. Yeah. I think this is going to be a big hit for them.

Leo Laporte (01:04:40):
Is it expensive?

Mikah Sargent (01:04:41):
Yes. Well, I dunno what you call expense. It's $129 for the regular kit and there's a special kit for 1 49 that has a customized Hot Wheels in a little case, and they think it was a big deal. I don't know the company, [01:05:00] it's the Land studios. Evidently they make a lot of video games, so they did. This is pretty cool software.

Leo Laporte (01:05:08):
This is cool. And this, I could get into mixed

Mikah Sargent (01:05:10):
Reality gaming. Hot. Let's see, so that's Hot Wheels RIF Drive.

Leo Laporte (01:05:15):
We're going to look at the commercial here. Oh, okay, good. So we could see the sparking happening. Yeah, so you have a PlayStation, so you can put it on your big screen tv. Use your PlayStation controllers to drive it. So it's a video game, but there's actually [01:05:30] actual vehicles that you're driving around the house.

Mikah Sargent (01:05:33):
Yes, yes. I like that. It's kind of neat, isn't

Leo Laporte (01:05:36):
It? Yeah,

Mikah Sargent (01:05:39):
I can see they get into this. They add that sparking stuff on your screen. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:05:43):
Because on the screen it looks like a video game except there's little, I guess you could get rid of the

Mikah Sargent (01:05:49):
Cars and then you can really scare the cat. Yeah, the cats can. Or race your rumba. Yeah, there you go.

Leo Laporte (01:05:55):
That's kind of cool. And you could design your own vehicle.

Mikah Sargent (01:05:57):
Okay. And so it's really a [01:06:00] video is what it's, it's putting the car in front of the car. You're actually driving around, right? Yeah. That's cool. And you customize the car. There are 140 ways to skin it to do whatever you want with it. That's

Leo Laporte (01:06:14):
Very interesting.

Mikah Sargent (01:06:14):
So those are expected to be big for the holidays.

Leo Laporte (01:06:16):
Oh yeah. I think this might be for a lot of people. And of course Barbie, it's going to be a Barbie Halloween

Mikah Sargent (01:06:23):
Too. Oh yeah, absolutely.

Leo Laporte (01:06:24):
That's true. That's going to be pink everywhere, everywhere the eye can see. [01:06:30] I mean, you're wearing your lumberjack shirt. Do you have a Barbie shirt of some kind? You

Mikah Sargent (01:06:35):
Could. No, no, no. Pink flannel. No. We might have to get to some. Oh, okay. Okay. Are you guys retailing that on the

Leo Laporte (01:06:44):
Side? Maybe that's our new thing.

Mikah Sargent (01:06:46):
Yeah, ask the pink guys. Oh, okay. We

Leo Laporte (01:06:49):
Should. I have mentioned, because you weren't here when he was here last Micah, but he showed us the double bubble blast.

Mikah Sargent (01:06:59):
Oh no, you're going to [01:07:00] make me spend more money.

Leo Laporte (01:07:00):
Yes, I know you love the bubbles.

Mikah Sargent (01:07:03):
Yes. My niece is the biggest bubble fanatic. Oh, check that out and out if it's still available. 30 bucks. They were closing them out I think for 20 bucks. Oh good. Because just Twin Motors and it takes the whole bottle of bubble solution inside with a little drop in plastic tube. So you can just go out. Yeah, you can just keep going. Oh yeah, keep going. Yeah, [01:07:30] you might have to need that too. Need that. I got her one of those. You showed those really great toys. There were I think three that were STEM toys where they both worked as kind of a little car. Oh yeah. So like a truck, but it was also binoculars, A bunch of tools. Yeah. She likes water. So I got her the water one where you can look underneath the water with it and she loved that. Oh, that's neat. That's great. That's

Leo Laporte (01:07:51):
Great. Dickie D, go to GIZ whizz biz. That's the website. Click the button that says the Gizz visits the tech guys, and you can see links [01:08:00] to all of these fabulous products. He's also got a button for his appearances on World News now and A B, C and the, what the heck is it Contest? It ends end of October. What

Mikah Sargent (01:08:16):
Is Don't look too closely. It'll hypnotize you.

Leo Laporte (01:08:18):
Wow. It's like an optical illusion monocle or something. How could that be? Why don't you check? Oh, are you giving us a hint? It's a Halloween-y kind of a thing.

Mikah Sargent (01:08:29):
No, but [01:08:30] I was just thinking it fits in with Halloween.

Leo Laporte (01:08:32):
It does. You have till Halloween to identify this. There's up to 18 autograph copies of Mad Magazine for the winners. Six for the correct answer. Up to 12 for the cutest wrong answer. And Judges' decisions are final. All of that is at Gizz biz gizz tv for Dick's weekly Gizz show that he does with Chad Johnson. Thank you. Dickie

Mikah Sargent (01:08:56):
D Thank you. You guys are great. Thanks so much.

Leo Laporte (01:08:59):
We'll see you

Mikah Sargent (01:08:59):
In a month. [01:09:00] See you next month. Okay, take care. Bye bye. Okay, bye. Pink flannel.

Leo Laporte (01:09:04):
Pink flannel. Just think pink. Just think pink. Everything pink. Are you going to do something for Halloween? Do you dress up?

Mikah Sargent (01:09:12):
Sometimes I do. I might do something this year because I have something that I could do, whereas last year I didn't do anything. I just didn't get it done in time.

Leo Laporte (01:09:23):
I think with that haircut you could be Barack Obama.

Mikah Sargent (01:09:26):
Just go around

Leo Laporte (01:09:26):

Mikah Sargent (01:09:27):
America what we have today. Very

Leo Laporte (01:09:29):
Good. [01:09:30] I think you're good. I think you got it. Alright Anthony, give us a call. What do you say? Wireless caller. How about a wireless caller?

Mikah Sargent (01:09:38):
Wireless caller

Leo Laporte (01:09:39):
On the phone now they press star six as soon as we bring you into the zoom room and that will unmute star six. We'll unmute and you can say hello our caller. Hello caller.

Mikah Sargent (01:09:50):
What has happened to your little models?

Leo Laporte (01:09:54):
Oh, they got, wow. They were some ones floor. Oh my goodness. [01:10:00] Little Leo's got Hun,

Mikah Sargent (01:10:02):
Halle, Leo,

Leo Laporte (01:10:03):
Huh? Hello? What's your name and where are you calling from?

Caller Kevin (01:10:07):
Hello? Is it me you're hearing?

Leo Laporte (01:10:08):
Yes, it's you you're hearing.

Caller Kevin (01:10:10):
Oh, excellent. My name's Kevin. I'm in Colorado.

Leo Laporte (01:10:13):
Hi Colorado. Kevin. Thanks

Caller Kevin (01:10:15):
For calling First time caller.

Mikah Sargent (01:10:17):
Oh, welcome. Play

Leo Laporte (01:10:18):
The trumpets. We love that. Welcome. Yeah,

Caller Kevin (01:10:21):
Absolutely. So my buddy says, because my wife and I don't have kids that I get obsessed about other stupid things and idiot really irritated about [01:10:30] crazy things, but I don't see why the whole world is not irritated about this one. What is the deal with the iPhone? When I can be driving down the road with my earbuds in and talking on the phone and my wife drives up next to me and all of a sudden phone next to the car and she's talking to the person I'm just talking to.

Mikah Sargent (01:10:50):
First of all, I love the idea that the two of you go cruising in your own vehicles enough near each other that this is a problem and that it hasn't only happened once in your life. [01:11:00] This is just a great, let's go for a cruise in separate cars. But yeah, I think it kind of speaks to the quality of the Bluetooth radio and the iPhone because I was just thinking about how I can have my iPhone all the way upstairs on the third floor. It sounds swanky. It's not. It's a shoebox. But on the third floor of where I live, and then I can be all the way down in the garage still listening to my audio books. No problem.

Leo Laporte (01:11:25):
It's pretty amazing, isn't it? Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:11:26):
The Bluetooth is quite

Leo Laporte (01:11:27):
Powerful, so

Caller Kevin (01:11:29):
It is very [01:11:30] good.

Leo Laporte (01:11:31):
She must've have paired at some forth on their own at some point. She must've paired her AirPods to your phone, right?

Caller Kevin (01:11:38):
Well, yeah, it is paired because we share the car, but same thing happens. If I'm mowing the grass and I have my earbuds in and then I get too close to the house and all of a sudden something else decides to attach.

Leo Laporte (01:11:48):
It's a convenience. It can't. This is for your convenience.

Mikah Sargent (01:11:54):
So here's what you need to do. You

Caller Kevin (01:11:55):
Have to stay on what it's paired

Mikah Sargent (01:11:56):
To, right? Because basically what's happening is it's an [01:12:00] auto pairing feature. So the second the device, whatever it happens to be, it's not the iPhone's doing this, it's the car or the other Bluetooth device. Those devices are set to auto pair. And so the second that they hear the connection, they see the connection, so to speak, of your iPhone. The Bluetooth radio is within range. Then it does an auto pairing process. So what you need to do is if the device supports it, and this is the problem, is that some don't have the little [01:12:30] toggle turned on in the Bluetooth profile that lets you turn this off. But if you can find it, oftentimes cars at the very least will have this in their settings, just turn off the auto pairing feature. And then what that does is even if it sees that there's a Bluetooth radio nearby, it won't automatically pair, but you can still pair with you in control of it by going into the Bluetooth settings and pairing it.

Now again, I can't speak for something like an inexpensive shower speaker [01:13:00] or something like that. They often don't give you access to turn off auto pairing, so you might have to move those in-house speakers, so across the way or something while you're mowing. But in terms of the car, I feel pretty good about saying that the vehicle probably has the ability to turn that off. Sometimes it's named different. It could be called Auto Connect, it could be called auto pairing. They all have different names, but I would even just looking up your car's model and typing [01:13:30] in auto pair would hopefully give you the ability to not have that happen. But yeah, it does. It speaks to the strength of that Bluetooth signal. At least.

Leo Laporte (01:13:41):
This is a very common issue and it does seem to be, I have to say yes, it's those devices, but it does seem to happen more with Apple stuff and I think it's because Yeah, that's what I think too. They want it to be easy to use, so they want it to be more aggressive. In fact, I [01:14:00] remember they did an update on the AirPods of firmware update on the AirPods and one of the things they said was, makes it even easier to switch devices. And I thought, well, is that solving that people have or is it making it too easy? Is there a way to stop them from being so I don't think so. I think that's in the nature of their

Caller Kevin (01:14:23):
Business. I just want it to be whatever. I get it paired up to something. I want it to stay there until [01:14:30] I stopped or stopped that. In fact, being on hold for this call and the thing is disconnected three times compared to my headset from my phone. Is there any only

Mikah Sargent (01:14:41):
Switch it back again. The only way I know how to do that is from the other devices side to turn off auto pairing. Yeah. I don't know of any other way because it's simply just that device communicates with the Bluetooth radio and says, oh, I see that you are available, let me connect to you [01:15:00] and then it does it. And so it's just being kind of ham fisted. I guess so, but outside of that I don't, yeah, the iPhone itself doesn't have a setting that says never connect to anything else other than, I don't know, buying U S B C to headphone jack adapter and just plugging in headphones. Do

Leo Laporte (01:15:21):
Other Bluetooth. I see. I almost always just use AirPods, but do other Bluetooth devices, if I had [01:15:30] somebody else's earbuds, would they have the same

Mikah Sargent (01:15:33):
If I am in, so we have a tandem garage, which means that one car drives in and the other one drives in. There's not space for two again shoebox. And so that's what they

Leo Laporte (01:15:45):
Call it, a tandem garage. I

Mikah Sargent (01:15:47):
Like it. So one person has to back out if the person, and so I will go to my car and if I'm listening to something with my AirPods, the moment I turn on my car and the [01:16:00] car play system gets up and running, it's going to switch to that. And I've had issues before where I sat in my car and was trying to just do a call from my AirPods, but then my car ended up taking over so it switches over. But the same thing applies if I am listening to something just playing out of the speakers of my iPhone and then I turn on the ultimate ears boom speaker that I use. The moment that the ultimate ears boom speaker senses the Bluetooth [01:16:30] radio,

Leo Laporte (01:16:30):
So it's doing the same thing.

Mikah Sargent (01:16:31):
It just changes to

Leo Laporte (01:16:32):
That. It's not just Apple stuff. Yeah, it may be a failure in the way Bluetooth works. I agree.

Mikah Sargent (01:16:36):
It's just overly Yeah, that's what you're saying. It does it too much and you kind of wish it would be worse at it. You

Leo Laporte (01:16:42):
Should say stick with what you got. Unless I specifically say it's time to move over.

Caller Kevin (01:16:48):
Well, what I read online is that people with Android phones don't have this problem, but people with Apple phones are pretty vocal like I am about, I

Mikah Sargent (01:16:56):
Would've to test

Caller Kevin (01:16:57):
That. I was hoping it'd be something

Mikah Sargent (01:16:58):
I'm dubious. Yeah. I haven't tested [01:17:00] yet myself. Yeah, I hear you. I'll have to test that a little bit more. But one thing you can do, it's not convenient, but it would this from happening is every time you're done using the device, you completely remove the pairing. Yeah, that will do it. It's not great, but that will do it.

Leo Laporte (01:17:21):
Yeah, that seems maybe Apple. We can get Apple to work on this. It should be a button that says

Mikah Sargent (01:17:26):
Stay stick. Yeah, stay right there. Pin your Bluetooth. [01:17:30] Sorry

Leo Laporte (01:17:31):
We weren't much help, but I hope you'll call again.

Mikah Sargent (01:17:33):
Yeah, I'm going to check. Thank you. Flesh this out with the thank.

Leo Laporte (01:17:36):
Appreciate you listening. Yeah, that's an interesting question. Does it happen with other devices? I feel like Apple's stuff is more promiscuous. It might be. Yeah. And I think it comes from Apple's kind of philosophy that it should just work. So we're going to try to figure

Mikah Sargent (01:17:52):
Out what you're doing. Yeah, I really am going to test this to see though, because this feels anecdotal so far and I don't,

Leo Laporte (01:17:58):
There also should be maybe a way [01:18:00] true determination. I don't know. It'd be nice if you just had a button that says stay here.

Mikah Sargent (01:18:04):
Stay. That really would be nice. Sit, sit, sit. Bu

Leo Laporte (01:18:07):
Do not move on. Alright, time for another. Should we do a voicemail? We haven't done one of those in a while. I know you've got 'em racked up. Sure, sure. Let's play a voicemail.

Caller Mark (01:18:19):
My name is Mark. I'm in New Haven, Connecticut. Hi Mark. I have a question about ubiquity access points. I understand you have ubiquity in your house. I do. I was wondering if you could [01:18:30] help. Yes. I just upgraded to the use six enterprise AP and I can't get my brand new iPad Pro six generation to connect to the six gigahertz band. I was wondering if you could help. Thank you. Bye-bye.

Leo Laporte (01:18:49):
Okay. Mark has these new U six devices, which are wifi six, which means they have not only 2.4 gigahertz and [01:19:00] five gigahertz, but they now have six gigahertz. But your iPad does not have six gigahertz. Think so. So that's why it's actually really simple answer is this wifi six is so new. Very few devices support it and I don't even know if any iPads support it. Maybe the new iPhone. The iPhone 15 I think has the latest.

Mikah Sargent (01:19:27):
I'm looking at connectivity for [01:19:30] the, oh, wifi. No, it's wifi six E. So that's still not,

Leo Laporte (01:19:34):
Yeah, six E is the six gigahertz.

Mikah Sargent (01:19:35):
That's right. Oh, it is. Well then, yeah, the most recent iPad Pro supports wifi six E.

Leo Laporte (01:19:41):
Well, it should work. Why would it not? If you, that's the thing is check the specs. He said what model was and I couldn't.

Mikah Sargent (01:19:50):
Yeah, it's the ubiquity U six Prise. No,

Leo Laporte (01:19:54):
Which iPad model? Oh,

Mikah Sargent (01:19:55):
I think he said just the most recent iPad Pro.

Leo Laporte (01:19:58):
Excuse me. Most recent iPad [01:20:00] Pro is from 2022. 2021. It's pretty old.

Mikah Sargent (01:20:04):
It does have wifi six though, according to the text. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:20:10):
In which case I don't have an answer for 'em as long as it's capable of that. Let's see. iPhone wifi specs. This is for the iPhone. It also does what's called 8 0 2 point 11 ax.

I'm wondering, [01:20:30] remember the higher the frequency on these wifi access points, the higher the frequency, the easier it is to block. So 2.4 goes the farthest, that's the original wifi. And then they came out with five gigahertz, which we often recommended because it doesn't really go through walls very well. So you're much less likely to have interference with neighbors. Six is going to be even worse because it's such a high frequency at six gigahertz, you should see if you can pair [01:21:00] the iPad when it's next to the access point. If it's next to the access point and it still can't pair, then I don't know. But if it's in another room, that could very well be why, and you probably shouldn't. Now the good news is, at least with my access points, it doesn't just support six, it supports 2.4 and five. You can, if you want, name your, here's what I did, and maybe this is the

Mikah Sargent (01:21:25):
Thing. Apple has a guide on this by the way, that we'll link in the show notes for using wifi succeed networks with Apple devices.

Leo Laporte (01:21:30):
[01:21:30] Oh, okay. So there's something special.

Mikah Sargent (01:21:32):
Well, just to get the best performance they talk about, but continue, I think what you're about to say is what they're suggesting.

Leo Laporte (01:21:37):
What I often do, and they can do this easily with U Ubiquiti software, is turn off different radios depending on what I want to do. So for instance, I have my iot network, and that's all 2.4 because a lot of older iot devices don't even support higher frequencies, but B, it travels farther and C, that's going to [01:22:00] be kind of the network that's for those low bandwidth devices and it preserves the five, and if you have it, six gigahertz bands for the computers that need all that bandwidth. So that's one way to do it is to turn off the five and six, turn on the 2.4 pair your iPad and then turn by the way, you don't have to leave it off, then turn it back on. The iPad will work fine with the 2.4. It's going to be plenty of bandwidth and it will work through walls and things like that. Now what does Apple say about getting wifi [01:22:30] six devices to work?

Mikah Sargent (01:22:31):
So Apple actually says that it prefers if you have a single network name across all bands.

Leo Laporte (01:22:40):
You know why? Because then it will use the two four automatically if you can see it and can't see the six.

Mikah Sargent (01:22:46):
It says if the router isn't using the same name for all bands, your device, the iPad identifies the network as having limited compatibility. It then finds the name of the corresponding five gigahertz network and asks whether you want to join it for better compatibility.

Leo Laporte (01:23:00):
[01:23:00] So have one name and that's actually I do. I don't have a six and a five and all that. I have all one name, which is better for all the devices. It's more flexible that way.

Mikah Sargent (01:23:12):
Oh, and there is a mode, so make sure you have that turned on. I imagine you do. But settings, wifi, tap the name of the network that you're connected to and it has

Leo Laporte (01:23:21):
A six

Mikah Sargent (01:23:21):
Mode, and then tap wifi six E mode.

Leo Laporte (01:23:23):
Ah, that's interesting.

Mikah Sargent (01:23:24):
And make sure that that's

Leo Laporte (01:23:24):
Turned on. They may not want to turn on that six gigahertz radio unless you have support for it.

Mikah Sargent (01:23:28):
That's probably what it's, yeah, it's probably more battering. [01:23:30] Right?

Leo Laporte (01:23:31):
So yeah, that's the first thing to check. Go into your setting your wifi settings and enable six E mode. You have to do that in the actual network you're on.

Mikah Sargent (01:23:41):
Correct. And if it detects six hertz, yeah. If it detects that you can support wifi six E with that network, it should have it on automatically. So it's not an opt-in thing. It's an opt-out thing. But if you did have issues with your network in the first place, it might not be turned [01:24:00] on.

Leo Laporte (01:24:00):
So the fourth generation iPad pro supports it and 11 and 12.9, the sixth generation, 12.9 inch supports it. So those pros do support it. That's interesting. I do not have a wifi six or six E network.

Mikah Sargent (01:24:16):
Same. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:24:17):
Yeah. Do your eeros don't.

Mikah Sargent (01:24:19):
I guess the Mac studio. Oh, you mean network? Yeah. No, the euros I have currently do not. I've been eyeballing this new one that Amazon just came out with. I wouldn't

Leo Laporte (01:24:28):
Rush out to get just [01:24:30] for the six capability.

Mikah Sargent (01:24:31):
I agree. It'd be a future-proofing thing and in my case, wait

Leo Laporte (01:24:37):
Until it's time to buy. Yeah, exactly. Because after all, you live in a three story house with a tandem garage. Do the listing say that

Mikah Sargent (01:24:45):
When you tandem garage? Yes, it does. Yeah. Three

Leo Laporte (01:24:47):
Story shoebox with tandem Garage.

Mikah Sargent (01:24:50):
That's exactly what, do you have one and I I'll take that. That

Leo Laporte (01:24:53):
Sounds good. I don't know what it

Mikah Sargent (01:24:55):
Is. It does have one now. Yes. It's a town home. Not quite a shoebox, [01:25:00] but sometimes it feels like one

Leo Laporte (01:25:02):
Honest, we pay him. I swear to God, we pay him. It's

Mikah Sargent (01:25:06):
Just California. It's

Leo Laporte (01:25:07):
Expensive here.

Mikah Sargent (01:25:08):
Just the other day I was talking to somebody and I didn't realize it. She's like, yeah, I live with my mom because I live in California. I was like, I wish I could do that.

Leo Laporte (01:25:18):
I feel really bad for your generation and people younger than you because houses are too expensive. Even rent's too expensive for most jobs.

Mikah Sargent (01:25:29):
It's wild. Yeah. Luckily [01:25:30] blessedly, I can afford to live here. So at the very, yes, I'm paid fine. But you

Leo Laporte (01:25:36):
Look at that shoebox and you say for that amount of money in St. Joe.

Mikah Sargent (01:25:40):
Yeah. I had a three home in Missouri that cost me one third of the price of this. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:25:48):
That's why our 20 year old wants to move to Green Bay, Wisconsin.

Mikah Sargent (01:25:51):
I don't

Leo Laporte (01:25:52):
Blame him. That's why I said we should bring him there. When it's snowing before, then

Mikah Sargent (01:25:55):
He'll change his

Leo Laporte (01:25:55):
Mind. Alright, we'll have more calls in just a bit. You're watching. Ask the tech [01:26:00] guys, what else do we got? What else do we got? Should we maybe go to, how about Dan? How about Dan? How about Dan? Let's say hello to Dan who's marching through the woods into the woods. Oh, I like it. Dan likes to, am I

Caller Dan (01:26:18):
Unmuted? Yes,

Leo Laporte (01:26:18):
You are unmuted. Dan likes to go on a hike when he's talking to us. You said what? It was a three or four mile hike. It's a long hike.

Caller Dan (01:26:26):
Yeah. This time I think I'll squeeze in about five. My friend Autumn showed [01:26:30] up yesterday.

Leo Laporte (01:26:30):
Yeah. I love Autumn.

Caller Dan (01:26:32):
Right? With Autumn came the rain. It was actually kind of beautiful. Where are you? Just to have the rain show up again in the Pacific Northwest.

Leo Laporte (01:26:40):
Okay. So pretty. So pretty. Yeah. Gorgeous. What can we do for you, Dan? Man, I'm, I'm bragging about that cellular connection. My goodness. I know.

Caller Dan (01:26:48):
Well, I got this fancy new phone, so maybe I could hit you up three quick questions. Sure.

Leo Laporte (01:26:55):

Caller Dan (01:26:55):
Silly one, a serious one and a sonology one.

Leo Laporte (01:27:00):
[01:27:00] That's good. The three, yeah.

Caller Dan (01:27:02):
Real quick. Little alliteration here. So silly question. You've been off terrestrial radio now for not quite what, nine months or so? Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:27:13):
Since December 18th.

Caller Dan (01:27:16):
And I was just wondering, during your terrestrial radio days, were you ever baba bui?

Leo Laporte (01:27:22):
Yes. Oh, cool. Yes, I was. So Howard Stern would encourage his listeners to make prank calls [01:27:30] and at the end of the call, go Baba buoy to you all. Baba Buoy was his producer's name. I got one or two. I did. But there've been some very famous ones during the OJ Simpson car. Chase, one of the very serious network anchors was talking to a fellow who said, I see oj. He's driving by and at the end of the call he goes, I have a recording of it. I should play it sometime. Baba Bowie to you all. Oh my. [01:28:00] And the very serious network anchor says that is, I believe Al Michaels, it was Al Michaels. You've heard it says that is I believe a prank call. Totally

Caller Dan (01:28:09):
Farcical. Totally farcical.

Leo Laporte (01:28:11):
It's so bad. Michael should have known. Anyway, lemme

Caller Dan (01:28:16):
Just say Howard has his good and bad periods in history and we'll take the good with the bad. I don't know. He's funny.

Leo Laporte (01:28:24):
Jeff Jar as much

Caller Dan (01:28:25):
Anymore. Jeff

Leo Laporte (01:28:26):
Jar is a huge stern fan. He's been on Stern many times [01:28:30] and I don't get it. It's not my kind of humor. But lately Stern's been doing serious interviewing and I think that he's actually a pretty darn good interviewer. So Well

Caller Dan (01:28:41):
He's in the news because the most famous whack packer of all criticized him in the media.

Leo Laporte (01:28:47):
Oh really? The

Caller Dan (01:28:47):
Most famous of all the Whack Packers was Donald Trump. And he's now criticized him in the media because Howard had some not so nice things to say about the, well, let's not talk politics. That was my silly [01:29:00] question.

Leo Laporte (01:29:00):
Okay, that was good. I like it. How

Caller Dan (01:29:02):
About my serious question? Yes, let's do it. I got the new iPhone Pro Max.

Leo Laporte (01:29:06):
Congratulations. Beautiful phone. Did you get it on Friday?

Caller Dan (01:29:09):
I did. I did. Nice. And the only hiccup was when I tried to activate it, I tried to activate it as a new phone because I didn't want to bring all my old apps over with me. I wanted a clean interface. I wanted one screen, maybe two screens that I could foot between. I've got what at least a decade worth of built up apps that are used and unused and [01:29:30] who knows what. And there doesn't seem to be a clean way of just cleaning out apps in one fell swoop. You can go through and long press them and all that kind of stuff. But that gets to be quite a chore when you've got I don't know how many 8, 10, 12 pages of apps that I have.

So I tried to set up as a new phone and during the process I learned that, that I didn't care about any of the data that was in my iCloud backup except for my messages. [01:30:00] And I found that when you set it up as a new phone, it does not bring over your iCloud or your iMessage history. It really wipes those out as well. So there's no option there just to say, Hey, I don't need all those apps. I would like to have all that other stuff like my email configuration, my message history, some of those components. It's like if you do an iCloud backup, you get everything or you get nothing.

Mikah Sargent (01:30:27):
So what I would recommend is [01:30:30] that if someone wants to do this, they do the full restore, the full transfer with those apps that you're talking about. And then after you're done, you plug your phone into your Mac, you get a nice little application called iaz and imazing will allow you to select the apps that are on

Leo Laporte (01:30:48):
Your iPhone. Another reason is imaz

Mikah Sargent (01:30:50):
And right click and remove them. What's the

Caller Dan (01:30:53):
Windows version of that?

Mikah Sargent (01:30:55):
I'm amazing.

Leo Laporte (01:30:56):
It's Mac and pc.

Mikah Sargent (01:30:57):
Mac and pc. Yep. It works on Windows as well. [01:31:00] Yeah, it is a nice way to configure that stuff. You can add apps if you want to remove apps if you don't want them. Excellent. And set it up exactly how you want.

Caller Dan (01:31:12):
Well, that's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks Micah.

Leo Laporte (01:31:14):
Yeah, I think sometimes I like to do a clean install, but of late, it's so easy to do a phone to phone transfer. I just figure, well, I'm going to do that and then I'll uninstall by hand. But it's nice to know that you can still use it. You'd have to hook it up to the computer, right? [01:31:30] Yes. Yep. Yeah. And do the backup there. Just a warning, other

Caller Dan (01:31:33):
People I tried to set up as a new phone decided that wasn't going to work for me. So I tried to go back and then go through this setup process again and then I couldn't activate the phone. Oh dear. So the next hour and 45 minutes of calls to Verizon through two sets of tier two support, and I finally did get it connected to the cellular network. But something about that process [01:32:00] of me deciding to not do it according to oil.

Leo Laporte (01:32:04):
Yeah. It's eim. They

Mikah Sargent (01:32:05):
Talk about the convenience of eim. But yeah, I get nervous every time the new phone thing happens now because of em. I

Caller Dan (01:32:13):
Spent, I always my

Leo Laporte (01:32:14):
Own 90 minutes online with T-Mobile because I didn't have the phone to transfer it over. And meanwhile, because U P S came with three phones on Friday because Michael decided [01:32:30] to get the new iPhone and Lisa gets it too. So meanwhile they're over there and it's just swimmingly going along. It's a beautiful

Mikah Sargent (01:32:37):
Day in a neighborhood.

Caller Dan (01:32:40):
I just set up two new phones for my mom and my sister and it went so smooth and so easy. I didn't even think twice about it when I got my new phone and there I was the guy, I was the guy on support for an hour and 45 minutes. I'm not supposed to be that guy. Leo.

Leo Laporte (01:32:55):
I think there's some percentage of people are that guy no matter what.

Mikah Sargent (01:32:58):
You heard all my issues [01:33:00] with mine. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:33:00):
This was your year.

Mikah Sargent (01:33:02):
I don't know what I'm going to get

Caller Dan (01:33:03):
Home to professional.

Leo Laporte (01:33:04):
Yeah. I was impressed because when I gave my sister my 14, which was in E sim, I forgot and it is better, right? To get the sim pop route, you move the sim over. It just happens. And she had a phone with a sim and I was really impressed that her carrier, I think it was T-Mobile also said, well, you want to move this number over. And they said it did it all automatically without contacting T-Mobile and all of that. So I [01:33:30] was all set for a very simple thing, but because I didn't have that old phone, I couldn't do it.

Mikah Sargent (01:33:34):
Yeah, that was not good. I

Leo Laporte (01:33:37):
Had to do an iCloud Restore too, which worked all right. I mean, phone to phone's better.

Mikah Sargent (01:33:41):
Yeah, phone toone is better, but iCloud is not bad. Question. Third question. Oh, beautiful

Caller Dan (01:33:46):
Bridge real

Leo Laporte (01:33:47):
Quick. Oh, nice. I'm so jealous. What a nice, I kind

Mikah Sargent (01:33:50):
Of want to go hiking.

Caller Dan (01:33:52):
Yeah, this is the Riley. It used to be a big suspension bridge in one of these huge Doug furs fell down and just totally wiped out this historical [01:34:00] suspension bridge that was really cool and historical and magic. But they replaced it with this be myth that's going to last forever. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:34:09):
It'll never

Caller Dan (01:34:10):
Eye beams.

Leo Laporte (01:34:11):
Yeah. That's not

Caller Dan (01:34:11):
Going to pre taking this thing out.

Leo Laporte (01:34:12):
Trees could fall all over that sucker. What's the park? What's the park?

Caller Dan (01:34:17):
This is Tryon Creek State Natural Area in Portland, Oregon. Nice. And it's just a two minutes drive from my house. So this is my So cool. I get out here three, four times a week, which is, I'm really lucky.

Leo Laporte (01:34:30):
[01:34:30] Yeah, no kidding. I It's a little damp. It's kind nice. It's kind moist out

Mikah Sargent (01:34:35):
Love. Yes. I love that. And the smell petro.

Caller Dan (01:34:37):
Here's my Portland joke. Portland has the best summers of anywhere I've ever lived. Can see other 11 months of the year, that

Leo Laporte (01:34:44):

Caller Dan (01:34:45):
And that not totally true ottoman beautiful here, but it is kind of dreary when you get around April, may, June and it's still raining and waiting for the SUNOLOGY

Leo Laporte (01:34:57):
Side. I got

Caller Dan (01:34:59):
Brand new 1522. [01:35:00] I've been running a, what, four 18 for a while with four drives. I've got the five drive, 15, 22 plus got five matching 18 terabyte drives. Except they weren't matching. One has four K native. I'd never heard of four K native. Have you,

Leo Laporte (01:35:16):
What's four K native?

Caller Dan (01:35:19):
Exactly. My point. Leo four K native. I got the CK XOs enterprise drives, same serial number. Pop 'em all into the sonology. [01:35:30] Super excited to set this thing up. And then all of a sudden it says, when I'm going to create the raid, all drives must be four K native or no drives four K something message

Leo Laporte (01:35:44):
Like that. How frustrating is that?

Caller Dan (01:35:46):
Since I got one that was four K native, which I don't know what that means. I have to send. Oh, it's using

Leo Laporte (01:35:52):
A native. It's using a four K block size. Okay. So usually what happens is you trick the hardware about the block [01:36:00] size four K native means instead of having to take a smaller block size and pretending it's four K, they actually are 4,096 sector sectors on the drive.

Caller Dan (01:36:14):
I'm kind of surprised Sonology can't create a raid then with five drives or 18 terabytes or Seagate exos. It's just one bit that's flipped somewhere. That's calling it four K native and there's no software setting it seems. So I cannot create a [01:36:30] raid with all five of those so I can send it back. That's fine. But

Leo Laporte (01:36:34):
That's really interesting. I hadn't really even thought of, I mean four K native is more modern and supposedly more efficient, better. But yeah, I guess it depends on how synology ISS doing that raid. They must be doing something.

Caller Dan (01:36:54):
They have all their different flavors of raid from let's say tar one and two and all the [01:37:00] raid numbered raids. You just can't do a raid that includes

Leo Laporte (01:37:06):
That. Yeah. This scooter X is giving us the synology language, quote four K native drives should be run and managed separately from hard drives in other disc sector formats when created, repairing, expanding and migrating any volume disc group rate and L. Yeah, I don't know if there's a technical reason [01:37:30] for that or what. I mean, and

Caller Dan (01:37:32):
I'm not looking for an answer. I just wanted to throw it out there.

Leo Laporte (01:37:34):
That's it. I had never even heard of this and so I'm glad you called. And that's something to look for if you either all or nothing. Either all four K or no four K. There's no middle ground.

Caller Dan (01:37:47):
Remember when we had those little plastic hearts that we had to move to make a drive slave or master?

Leo Laporte (01:37:53):

Caller Dan (01:37:54):
I was thinking, okay, somewhere in here there's a switch

Leo Laporte (01:37:57):
To turn off the four K. Yeah,

Caller Dan (01:38:00):
[01:38:00] There's a little dongle or a switch or a little dip switch. Some way to change this around. But that's the thing about sonology. You're supposed to be able to mix and match all your drives.

Leo Laporte (01:38:08):
That's one of the benefits I guess

Caller Dan (01:38:09):
All your old external, throw 'em all into a big sonology and mash 'em together in

Leo Laporte (01:38:14):
Drive. And it's true. I mean I have the same as you, the 1522 plus and I have all different drive because it's just leftover drives, right? All different drive sizes in there. One thing you found, the one thing that doesn't work, but you cant fix that there. That's [01:38:30] a hardware setting. So there's nothing you can do reformatting the drive or rep partitioning. Now, well

Caller Dan (01:38:36):

Leo Laporte (01:38:37):
You might try, here's a guy in our I R C says I had the same problem. I just plugged in the four K drives and they worked despite the warnings.

Caller Dan (01:38:48):
Spent some time with it yesterday. You just cannot advance the creation of the

Leo Laporte (01:38:52):
Raid. It'll stop you. No, he may have an earlier D SS M version that allowed that. Exactly. And then Sonology said, we better not allow that because we can't guarantee the [01:39:00] integrity of the resulting raid.

Caller Dan (01:39:03):
Well I've been running the other one for years and it's just been so rock solid and I love it. Oh no. I think it's just such a beautiful little device. Yeah. So I went to upgrade to the next bigger one so I can back up my existing one on site. Yeah, I do the same thing.

Leo Laporte (01:39:17):
I keep waiting for the other shoe to rob with every other company. Seems like goes downhill so far. Knock on leather. They haven't. They have a niche. They have a niche and they do it the best. They're [01:39:30] really fantastic. Yeah,

Caller Dan (01:39:32):
No doubt. No doubt.

Leo Laporte (01:39:33):
Well that's good to know. Thank you for tipping us off. I appreciate it.

Caller Dan (01:39:36):
Hey Leo?

Leo Laporte (01:39:37):

Caller Dan (01:39:38):
Papa Bowie drew you.

Leo Laporte (01:39:40):
I knew it. You got me. You got me. I was all a prank. He's not really in the woods. That's a green screen. I was looking for this. My

Caller Dan (01:39:49):
Hate phenology.

Leo Laporte (01:39:53):
I was looking for the Al Michaels bit. I know I have it somewhere here in my collection of sound effects. If I can find [01:40:00] it, I'll stick it at end of the, I'll stick it at the end of the podcast because it's pretty long bit.

Caller Dan (01:40:05):
Oh, that would be epic. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:40:06):
It is pretty long. And at the end, Baba, I see OJ and the best. Yeah, I see OJ and it's a little racist, but okay. And at the end of it, it's just hysterical to hear Al Michaels. I think Al did not figure it out then somebody, or no, the announcer didn't figure somebody. Al Michaels was the one who said, just so you know, that was [01:40:30] a prank call.

Caller Dan (01:40:31):
Absolutely. The guy

Leo Laporte (01:40:32):
Who was talking to him didn't know.

Caller Dan (01:40:35):
He's like, just let me interrupt here for a second. If Oh it's lemme just say that's a totally farcical call. Totally

Leo Laporte (01:40:42):

Caller Dan (01:40:44):
That is a word that is indicative of a certain radio show host. Oh, I want

Leo Laporte (01:40:51):
To find it now. Now you got me. I really want to find it. I have it here somewhere. I've got a lot of stuff. Hey, thank you. You almost the 20th, the dancing ETOs. [01:41:00] Yes. Wow. We are going back in time now. I appreciate the call. Enjoy your walk. Yes. Cheers. So great to talk to you. Yeah, so all drives are physically four K sector nows, but most support five 12 E, which is an emulation of 512 byte sectors, which is how old drives used to work and a lot of hardware. For a long time bios couldn't figure out what a four K sector was, so they had to do this emulation.

Mikah Sargent (01:41:28):
So then if you have a new enough drive, [01:41:30] it might just be stuck in five 12 emulation. And

Leo Laporte (01:41:35):
So this is hysterical. And by the way, thank you for reminding me user 20 24 66. It was Peter Jennings who was on the phone with a prank call Peter Jennings, the A b C news anchor had no idea what was going on. And Al Michaels has to come in and says, got it. Okay, Peter, that was a totally forcible call. Let's do another one. Speaking of farcical calls, [01:42:00] who do we have?

Mikah Sargent (01:42:02):
We have Cameron.

Leo Laporte (01:42:03):
Cameron. Hello Cameron.

Caller Cameron (01:42:10):

Leo Laporte (01:42:10):
Hello. Hi Cameron.

Caller Cameron (01:42:13):
I called in last week asking about how to make a burning ISO onto a desk. Yes, I figured it out.

Leo Laporte (01:42:22):
Oh, tell us how you figured it out.

Caller Cameron (01:42:25):
So the issue was that I was unable to do it through [01:42:30] my Chromebooks Linux part.

Leo Laporte (01:42:34):

Caller Cameron (01:42:35):
Interesting. So I figured out that there was a home brew application that you can install if you have your laptop in developer mode as I do called Chrome Brew.

Leo Laporte (01:42:47):
Chrome Brew Chrome Brew. That's nice. I love Home Brew on the Mac Chrome brew. I love it.

Caller Cameron (01:42:54):
So it just uses a little shell script and crash.

Leo Laporte (01:42:58):
And were you able to install Etcher that way? [01:43:00] Or what did you install? Yeah,

Caller Cameron (01:43:01):
Yeah. So it has Belina Etcher in its repositories and now I'm looking right now playing a RU like on my computer.

Leo Laporte (01:43:12):
So yeah, that's one of the limitations of using that crouton on Chromebook to make you do a Ute Linux running on it. It's not a real Linux. So that's interesting. So you couldn't get at your installed normally, but you were able to do it with Chrome Brew. That's a good tip.

Mikah Sargent (01:43:30):
[01:43:30] They even call it the missing package manager for ChromeOS. Just like the missing package manager.

Leo Laporte (01:43:35):
Yeah, there's Brew for Home, brew for Linux. Home Brew for Mac is a best known and this is a really useful tool. Thank you.

Caller Cameron (01:43:43):
And it's available for Chromebook. Very nice. So I do have a question though here. I don't know if you guys are going to be able to answer it. Well,

Leo Laporte (01:43:53):
We tried last time and I gave a long explanation of how to use dd, which I deeply regret, but now go ahead.

Caller Cameron (01:44:00):
[01:44:00] I figured it out. So I'm looking at my launcher menu right now. Now I changed a couple of different icons names here just so it works with my, I've got several widgets that use the names from the programs. So for example, I changed my Chrome icon, but it's appearing as Chrome, which is the one I created [01:44:30] and it's also appearing as Google Chrome, which is the default menu. So I don't know if there's a way to delete that When I open K D E menu editor, it doesn't show two separate things.

Leo Laporte (01:44:45):
Oh, because you renamed it. You've got two, huh?

Caller Cameron (01:44:49):
Right, right.

Leo Laporte (01:44:51):
I don't know. I have no idea.

Caller Cameron (01:44:55):
Fair enough.

Leo Laporte (01:44:56):
I wonder if it reinstalled it when you did a package upgraded. [01:45:00] It said, oh, you don't have Chrome here. I don't know. I really don't know. Yeah, I can't help you on that. Fair enough. Keith five 12 says you might have two dot desktop files in the menu folder and so you should only have one. And the reason you're seeing duplicates is because you have two that's worth a look. Let's see. Look for your DOT desktop files

Caller Cameron (01:45:24):
And then I have another one. I might just pop open my I O C right now and

Leo Laporte (01:45:30):
[01:45:30] Yeah, talk to Keith. He's a very smart user. One of our smarter users. They're all smart. Yeah, he's even smarter. We love you all. You're all smart. You're all smart users.

Caller Cameron (01:45:41):
Alright then. Thank you Cameron.

Leo Laporte (01:45:44):
I just

Caller Cameron (01:45:45):
Check it out. Mainly wanted to provide update and share. I

Leo Laporte (01:45:48):
Appreciate that. It's great. Thank you. Cameron. Yeah,

Caller Cameron (01:45:50):
Chromebook. And then I don't know if Dr. Mom's still in the house chat. Yeah, [01:46:00] in the house. But I was thinking somebody was saying in the I R C, that cloud ready or Chrome oss, whatever it's called at this point.

Leo Laporte (01:46:11):
Yeah. Cloud ready, which is their Chromos installer on top. Her problem is a hardware issue is worn out so you can't putting Yeah. Which

Caller Cameron (01:46:21):
Somebody said putting it on an old laptop that she wouldn't need anymore.

Leo Laporte (01:46:27):
Oh yeah. Turning it. I see what you're saying. Yeah. Cloud [01:46:30] Ready, which was originally from Neverwhere. Google bought them, allowed you because CH Chrome oss like Chromium is an open source project. So it took the chromium OSS and made an installer that you could put on old PCs. Didn't work on all machines. Some machines. It worked very nicely when it did. It's great you got a Chromebook out of an old laptop that you might not really want put anything more modern on. Yeah, she could do that. But I think she knows about that. Yeah. Never wear Chrome.

Caller Cameron (01:46:58):
But my issue is that it [01:47:00] doesn't have Christine or Arc Plus. Plus. So she's

Leo Laporte (01:47:05):
Stuck. Yeah, you can't run. Yeah. That's good to know.

Caller Cameron (01:47:11):
I would imagine in her line of work

Leo Laporte (01:47:14):
She might want that. She

Caller Cameron (01:47:16):
Would use that. That is an option. However, I don't think it would work for

Leo Laporte (01:47:21):
Her. Is that you McKenney or are you in the I R C? Yeah, that's

Caller Cameron (01:47:24):

Leo Laporte (01:47:25):
I see you talking to Dr. Mom. There you go. Hey, it's great to talk to you Cameron. Have a great one. Thank you Cameron.

Caller Cameron (01:47:30):
[01:47:30] Alright,

Leo Laporte (01:47:31):
Take care. Talk to you

Caller Cameron (01:47:32):

Leo Laporte (01:47:33):
Good. He and Dr. Mom are in dialogue. Oh good. In our irc, which is IRC TWIT tv. We've had that for the longest time. Really? I started using I R C back in the radio days in the early nineties and Robert Scobel was the original chat moderator. We've gone through quite a few since then. It's kind of a burnout job. Scooter X, you've done it longer than anybody else. I think If you [01:48:00] want to join us, use your web browser. Point two. IRC TWIT tv. It is irc. So you can use an IRC client, but you can also use your web browser club. TWIT members of course have access to something a little more modern, which is our wonderful discord. If you're not a Club twit member, I got to ask why not? Why not? A mere $7 a month. What do you get ad free versions of all of our shows.

You get access to the Discord, which is more than just a chat [01:48:30] room. It's really a community of people, smart people. It's kind of the Tinder Platinum, the Tinder selects of chat rooms because it's only high value people who have $7 a month to spend on Twitch. They're not after your money. No. It's great conversations during the shows but also on all sorts of topics. Not related. We've got some big events coming up in the club. Twit Discord. You're going to do the escape room with us, right? Oh absolutely. I'm looking forward [01:49:00] to that. I'm so looking forward to doing the escape room. We also coming up, if you go to the Discord, I don't have it in front of me, but we have Ant was asking us to plug. We've got Lou Marca, Luca Lu from twt this coming Thursday. Thursday 9:00 AM Pacific and then John Scalzi, the sci-fi author.

We have the old farts round table. There's a lot of events we put together. Thanks Kruger. Stacey Club's still going on. Yeah. Community manager. [01:49:30] Yeah. So Lou Mariska 9:00 AM on Thursday Pacific time if you want to talk to are. He's actually got a lot to say. He's a very nice, interesting person. Not just the host of ttw. That should be a lot of fun. The escape room we're going to do. So Lisa took her entire continuity team and you and me. I dunno how you got involved, but somehow you got extra. She didn't even tell me she was doing it. She took them all to an escape room and it was fun.

Mikah Sargent (01:49:59):
Oh my gosh. [01:50:00] I had so much fun.

Leo Laporte (01:50:01):
So the people who did that escape room have an escape room in a box that they bring to your office. So is it October 26th? I think that's when we're going to do it. It

Mikah Sargent (01:50:11):
Is, yeah. I think it's

Leo Laporte (01:50:12):
The Thursday. She's going to bring the escape room in a box to our studios.

Mikah Sargent (01:50:17):
October 26th. You got it right.

Leo Laporte (01:50:18):
You and I And Jason Howell

Mikah Sargent (01:50:20):
And Ant and Ant. And maybe you can have up to six. I believe so.

Leo Laporte (01:50:25):
We have a few more. At least those four. Maybe a few more are going to do it on camera live. Yes. [01:50:30] So you can watch us be really stupid all at

Mikah Sargent (01:50:34):
Once. I at least some of us are going to be wearing costumes. Given how close it is to the 31st.

Leo Laporte (01:50:38):
Oh, I guess it should be our Halloween thing. Okay. I'll wear a costume then I'll wear a costume that's particularly ungainly and makes it impossible for me to move. Let's

Mikah Sargent (01:50:46):
Move around. So then if we don't do well, you can use that as an excuse.

Leo Laporte (01:50:50):
Yeah. It was just was my costume ruined

Mikah Sargent (01:50:52):
It first. The costume did it. I will say the person we're working with, she's very good. Even while we were doing it at [01:51:00] knowing when someone is truly stuck versus knowing when the group might just need a little bit more time to get it.

Leo Laporte (01:51:06):
I don't like help. I like to do it on my own

Mikah Sargent (01:51:08):
Saying we didn't help either. And so she was very good about not giving us help. The only time that there was kind of a cut in and she could tell we were a group that didn't really want help was when you had solved something and then something seemed a little bit off and you're like, is there more to it than that? And she was able to say,

Leo Laporte (01:51:23):
She would say, no,

Mikah Sargent (01:51:24):
You got it all. You're good to go there. Let's keep moving. Good. So yeah, I'm looking forward to working with her. I can't, great. This's going to be a

Leo Laporte (01:51:29):
Lot of fun. [01:51:30] So you need to be a club member to see that there's also a feed of special other specials and stuff that happens before and after shows and so forth. I think we decided we really want to make this worth your $7 with you. There's lot of subscriptions out there, but I think this is really well worth it and it makes a big difference to us. We are not making our ad sales goals this year. Next year looks even more bleak. I don't want to shut anything down. I want to keep it going, but as you probably know, we don't have investors. [01:52:00] I don't have deep pockets. We can only do whatever we have money to do, and so your $7 a month, it literally makes the difference. So please, if you're not a member, twit tv slash club twit and I thank you in advance.

Mikah Sargent (01:52:16):
Let me keep my tandem garage and shoebox. Please.

Leo Laporte (01:52:19):
Look, that's good. From now on, our ads going to be, this man will have to move out of his shoebox and tandem garage unless you [01:52:30] go to twit tv slash club twit and subscribe today. Do you want to see this man evicted from his shoebox? Do you? I ask. We buy the phones because we have to. It doesn't come out of the TWI money. That's part of our job. And Michael comes out of his Safeway earnings. Good for him. I did not pay for his phone and Lisa paid for hers. And yes, twit paid for this one and [01:53:00] yours, but that's, that's part of the job. We have to do that. So your $7 a month doesn't go to our iPhones. Don't worry. It goes to keeping the lights on. Let's do another phone call. What do you say? Yeah, who do you have? Oh

Mikah Sargent (01:53:16):
Darn. We lost. There was a person who had been, we got

Leo Laporte (01:53:19):
A rich Oh, you brought 'em in. Okay, good. Bring 'em into the star gate. I thought

Mikah Sargent (01:53:23):
We lost you, rich. I'm glad you're here.

Caller Rich (01:53:25):
Alright, I'm here. Hey, thanks for having me on guys. Hey Rich,

Leo Laporte (01:53:29):
Thanks for joining us. I always think [01:53:30] of you as Dick d Barolo, Jr. Am I wrong? Am I wrong?

Mikah Sargent (01:53:34):
Do you have any gizmos or gadgets for us?

Caller Rich (01:53:36):
I don't have any for you, but I do love Dick segments. I've been listening to you for I think since about 2009, 2008, something like that. I've loved listening to Dick the whole time. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:53:48):
Yeah, that's kind of when we got going. Yeah,

Caller Rich (01:53:51):

Leo Laporte (01:53:52):
What's up?

Caller Rich (01:53:53):
So I've got a friend, you actually touched on this real briefly when you were talking with Dr. Mom earlier. We have a friend [01:54:00] whose mother is in her mid eighties, starting to have some cognitive decline and she would like a solution where there is some sort of device in her mom's house. That's kind of a one way thing. So she can call it, our friend can call her mom, but her mom doesn't have to do anything because she would like to have a video chat so that if her mom has something, she can hold it up to the camera [01:54:30] and she'll be able to read what's on the paper to help her understand it. This happened with some spam that came in the snail mail and she didn't know what to do with it, and our friend wanted to help her, but she didn't know what it was. So it had to wait until the next time she was at her house. And the problem is that she doesn't want something where her mom is going to see it and go, what is this? And throw it away or try to do something that it's not designed for or whatever. So she just wants to be able to initiate [01:55:00] something with a static device in the house. And I was

Leo Laporte (01:55:04):
Wondering if I'll tell you. Yeah, I have a great answer for you. I'll tell you my mom who's 90 and yeah, it gets confused sometimes. Loves having that echo sitting there. Now, what I did so that she wouldn't throw it out is it is on our account and it has a slideshow of when we were little and when she was young and she just loves those. For her, it's a little slideshow thing, but Amazon supports something called [01:55:30] drop in, which allows you to drop into that echo and just appear like the Wizard of Oz and say, hi, what can I help you with? So she doesn't, her friend doesn't have to do anything. She can just drop in at any time and appear.

Caller Rich (01:55:49):
That sounds pretty much exactly like what she's looking for. What model is that? I know they have a bunch of different products. We don't have any,

Mikah Sargent (01:55:56):
Any of the shows, so

Leo Laporte (01:55:58):
Has to have a screen. That's what makes it a show.

Mikah Sargent (01:56:00):
[01:56:00] Yeah, if it has show afterward, that'll be it. There's the Echo Show eight and the Echo Show 10, I believe right

Leo Laporte (01:56:05):
Now. There's also one, and this is one I got and I kind of think it's cool that will face you.

Mikah Sargent (01:56:10):
Oh yeah, that's right.

Leo Laporte (01:56:11):
It rotates around. It's more expensive. I think it's two 50 bucks, but it seems like a live object in some respects. So when you talk to it or when you do a drop in and she responds, it will turn and face her.

Mikah Sargent (01:56:24):
Yeah, that's the Echo show. Ten third generation. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:56:28):
That's a very cool, now it's a lot more expensive. [01:56:30] The good news is the eight, the new eight is under a hundred bucks, and so very affordable given that. But you can do audio drop in as Dr. Mom is pointing out in the chat room on any Echo device. It's just, if you want the video, if you want the camera and you want her to hold up the spam and say, what is this? Then you need one with a screen on it. But you can do audio drop in too, which is actually a little creepy. Do that. Yeah.

Caller Rich (01:56:57):
Well, that's my other fear. So having had [01:57:00] a parent who went through cognitive decline, you never know what the response is going to be. You can say something or they can see something. People would give us suggestions all the time. Oh, well you should do this. Yeah, but have you thought about what if they do this with it? You end up going down a dozen rabbit holes every time one of those things comes up. But it does sound like the show was what she was looking for. I looked it up real quick because I remembered that name and it seemed just to my eyes confusing [01:57:30] for somebody. But it sounds like from what you're saying, you can set it up in a way that it really won't necessarily be confusing. It's just something that's there and our friends can just drop in and it'll be fine.

Mikah Sargent (01:57:42):
You can kind of essentially disregard all of the interactions. Just make it that photo frame, except whenever the friend wants to drop in. And plus Echo has two different modes. There is a mode that is specifically for elderly care, and then there's a mode that is for [01:58:00] kids. And so it's possible that your friend could enable one of these modes and that could be helpful in this situation because each of them can provide limitations to the system and also kind of change the size of things on the screen. So if there was interaction that the person wanted to do, they could, but ultimately if you just kind of say, Hey, this is a picture frame that will show these photos or whatever, and then I can also talk to you through it and kind of keep it at that as opposed to introducing if you want to, you can get the news on [01:58:30] it. It also play music, right?

Caller Rich (01:58:31):
All the functions. Yeah. Alright, well that sounds perfect then. Just when I saw it on the Amazon page, I thought it looks like too much. It's

Leo Laporte (01:58:38):
Complicated for your friend, but not for her parent.

Caller Rich (01:58:43):
Yeah. I have a feeling that what they'll do is if they get something like that, they'll set it up in Call House

Leo Laporte (01:58:47):

Caller Rich (01:58:47):
Yeah. They'll set it up with us first on their account and we can try everything out and figure out how she's going to set it up

Leo Laporte (01:58:53):
Over there. The only hitch in the whole get along for us was the first one I gave her. I set it up on [01:59:00] my account, then I can put pictures on it, I control it. And she said, I don't want to see your calendar. And she on her own changed it away from my account to some other account. Oh wow. And that kind of screwed the whole thing up.

Caller Rich (01:59:14):
Yeah, no doubt.

Leo Laporte (01:59:15):
More recently, I sent her another one that was on my account. This is many years later and she has not changed it. And the nice thing about that is because it's on my account, I can put pictures on there. If I want to share an audio book with her, I can say, mom, [01:59:30] you can listen to my audio books and all of that. So that's really nice. And that drop-in is important. You need to know, it doesn't have to be on your account to do the drop-in. You can drop in on anybody. I could drop in on Micah as

Mikah Sargent (01:59:42):
Long as the

Leo Laporte (01:59:43):
Contacts. It's in your contacts, so they need to know about that. But I think it's handier if it's in her account, she

Mikah Sargent (01:59:50):
Has, yeah, it's easier for setup and yeah, when they're firmware updates or whatever,

Caller Rich (01:59:54):
Virtually certain that's the way she's going to want to do it. But she does have a brother and so I think that that might, as [02:00:00] long as he's aware of it, that might be something that they could do

Leo Laporte (02:00:04):
For a while. Instead of using FaceTime, we were using the Echo Show to have video calls, but for some reason mom really likes FaceTime and we reverted back to FaceTime. I think she likes to have you on her iPad.

Caller Rich (02:00:15):
How's she doing? Didn't you just go out there?

Leo Laporte (02:00:17):
She's doing great. Yeah, we put her in assisted living. She has a really cute apartment. She calls the nurses and the aides, her servants. I said, mom, whatever rocks your [02:00:30] boat. She says, yes, my servants come and they give me my medication and then we go down and I have the cook makes me a meal and she's very happy. That's good. She's living in, I was really worried. I was really worried she would hate it. So I want to be back in my house. She's a beautiful house, but it was very hard for her to take care of herself and my sister. There was a lot of burden on her. So it's been a great solution all around and we go visit her. That's why I'm going to go out more frequently and I'm setting [02:01:00] up a studio in her, in mom's old house. I just got the Insta 360 link. They're little beautiful four K camera. I have lights. I'm going to set it all up and then I'll have a studio there and I can do the shows from the house, which means I'll be able to go visit without any burden on the show. Yeah.

Caller Rich (02:01:20):
Oh, that's great. I'm glad she's doing well. I know that she's 90 or 91. She's

Leo Laporte (02:01:24):
90. That's great. She should be 91 in January. Yeah, she's doing great. She has a little cognitive decline, [02:01:30] of course, loss of mobility at her age. She's doing great. We're really, she says every time I talk to her, I don't feel a thing that may have something to do with the handles of Johnny Walker. I bring her out. But no, it's really interesting to watch this process with somebody so close to you. I know many of you have already gone through this in your lives and it brings home our mortality and everything, but I want to make sure she's as happy as can be and as comfortable [02:02:00] as can be and she seems to be. So

Caller Rich (02:02:01):
I'm very, yeah, before we moved on down to assisted living, I looked at I think seven different places out here in Tucson. You

Leo Laporte (02:02:07):
Got to find the place. That's right.

Caller Rich (02:02:08):
Yeah. They're all different in one way or another, and I think we found a good one. So yeah,

Leo Laporte (02:02:13):
I think we did too. Doing well. I think we did too. That's great. Thank you. Thanks for asking. Alright,

Caller Rich (02:02:17):
Thanks a lot. We'll definitely look into the show.

Leo Laporte (02:02:19):
Yeah, take care. Good luck. It's been great. My mom, she really loves it. Good, good. It was her servant before she had servants. All right, we're going to take [02:02:30] a little break. You're watching, ask the tech guys with Micah and Leo and I have a message on my watch for you right now. This Packer game is epic. Okay. Wow. Okay. Lisa's having a good time watching football. Sunday is a very special day in the LaPorte household and Lisa's quite enjoying.

Mikah Sargent (02:02:57):
Who are the Packers playing?

Leo Laporte (02:03:00):
[02:03:00] They're playing the Saints. The Saints, the Nolan Saints. Oh wow. Oh yeah. Very exciting. I won't say a word. Just exciting. It's worth watching. I watched a Formula One race this morning as well, so it's been, it's a sports marathon. Sporty day. Sporty day.

Mikah Sargent (02:03:20):
Should we get an email?

Leo Laporte (02:03:22):
I can reach back since I'm such an athletic person. Sports. [02:03:30] Oh, again, with the upside down. Ask the tech guys question. Duplicate cards in Apple Pay. Mark says, I have four different accounts at the same credit union. I have a debit card for each. I have the four debit cards saved in Apple Pay. Do you know of any method to make the card show up uniquely otherwise, other than memorizing the last four digits of the card? Oh, that's really

Mikah Sargent (02:03:55):
Interesting. They all look so similar.

Leo Laporte (02:03:56):
Yeah, they all look similar. Image. And the way Apple Pay works, [02:04:00] you can't really give it a name and you can't even give it a special picture as far as I know.

Mikah Sargent (02:04:06):
No, because yeah, that's all part of it. So the one thing, you'll have to do this for me, Leo,

Leo Laporte (02:04:11):
So I can see the last four. That's the only way I know, right?

Mikah Sargent (02:04:14):
Yeah. Launch the shortcuts app for me.

Leo Laporte (02:04:16):
Oh, okay. Yeah, sure. Shortcuts. So you think there's a shortcut you could use?

Mikah Sargent (02:04:24):
I think we might be able to, I'm trying to remember if it is just Apple Pay. So tap in the middle button at the bottom, which is automations, [02:04:30] and then hit the plus button.

Leo Laporte (02:04:33):
Okay, we're going to start a new script

Mikah Sargent (02:04:35):
Here and then look. Apple Pay

Leo Laporte (02:04:40):

Mikah Sargent (02:04:40):
Transaction. There it is.

Leo Laporte (02:04:42):

Mikah Sargent (02:04:42):

Leo Laporte (02:04:44):

Mikah Sargent (02:04:44):
Okay, so when I tap and then choose a random card.

Leo Laporte (02:04:48):
Okay, let's say the platinum card. Okay. Oh, wait a minute. I guess

Mikah Sargent (02:04:53):
They're all

Leo Laporte (02:04:54):
Selected. Same. They're all selected. So it's unselect the ones you don't want

Mikah Sargent (02:04:57):
And then leave the category. Oh, you [02:05:00] can? Yeah. Yeah, we can. And then hit next.

Leo Laporte (02:05:02):
Okay, so I'm now choosing this platinum card,

Mikah Sargent (02:05:05):
And then so when I tap my platinum card and do search and just type in notification,

Leo Laporte (02:05:12):
Oh, I can have a little notification pop up.

Mikah Sargent (02:05:14):
Yeah. So what would happen is you would tap on the card and then you could have a popup that says the name of the card. Right? Whatever the, I think it's alert. It might be alert. Alert instead of notification. Do

Leo Laporte (02:05:25):
Alert. Yeah, be alert. We need more alerts. Nope, it's not alert either. It [02:05:30] should be. How about,

Mikah Sargent (02:05:34):
Oh, I know why. What's happening? So it is doing a search for a shortcut that already exists. So what you'd want to do instead,

Leo Laporte (02:05:43):
Oh, it you'd go into this thing here.

Mikah Sargent (02:05:45):
So you'd want to create a shortcut. So basically what you would do is you would have four shortcuts, right? For each

Leo Laporte (02:05:52):
Of the cards,

Mikah Sargent (02:05:52):
One for each of them. And all the shortcuts says you can have the actual actions be buzz. My phone, I just like [02:06:00] that. It lets me know that it's actually doing it. So it vibrates the phone and then alert me and a little notification will pop up at the top and it would say whatever you want to name the four cards. Let's say it's personal account, work account, pet account and savings account. This is

Leo Laporte (02:06:14):
A good little hack.

Mikah Sargent (02:06:15):
And then it would boop pop up and let you know which of the four cards you're choosing. Then all that Leo would do is find that shortcut that he created for that card. Then do the next one. Find it for that. The next one, find it for that. The next one, find it for

Leo Laporte (02:06:27):
That. Well, I can't find the alerts, but I can have it call me when I tap the [02:06:30] card. Yes. And then I'll,

Mikah Sargent (02:06:31):
Because again, this is finding shortcuts that have already been made. So you need to make the shortcuts. Shortcuts first one. I see. And then you'll be able to get it.

Leo Laporte (02:06:39):
Oh, so I get it. So I would make a shortcut that pops up an alert saying platinum card. Yes. And now I'll attach, when I tap my platinum card, it'll pop up Platinum

Mikah Sargent (02:06:47):
Card. Yes, correct.

Leo Laporte (02:06:47):
Will that inhibit the ability to use it

Mikah Sargent (02:06:50):
For Apple pay? No, because that'll still be that transaction or will be able to take place in the background. It's just you tapping on that card would do that. Now, [02:07:00] presumably you haven't set a default card because for me, I use the same card all the time.

Leo Laporte (02:07:07):
Pretty much. The Apple card is the default

Mikah Sargent (02:07:10):
Card, right? And then occasionally I'll go in and tap, but yeah, that would work. You would tap on the card and then, excuse me, a little notification will pop up and I go, okay, I know this is

Leo Laporte (02:07:17):
The thing, so I'm going to make a new shortcut and I'm going to say this shortcut will be an alert.

Mikah Sargent (02:07:24):
So you can type in notification or alert, either will

Leo Laporte (02:07:26):
Work notification, [02:07:30] a show notification. Okay. And it's going to say you

Mikah Sargent (02:07:35):
Would tap on that where it says hello world on that text

Leo Laporte (02:07:38):
There. Yeah, I have it say Amex card, right? Yeah, Amex card is active. I'm going to make it very clear. Beautiful.

Mikah Sargent (02:07:48):
Okay, now choose. Done.

Leo Laporte (02:07:49):
Now that's a shortcut. Yep. So I'm going to go back to my,

Mikah Sargent (02:07:53):
Now, right now you've named it show notification, but you might want to call it like Amex card or something. Otherwise you can

Leo Laporte (02:07:58):

Mikah Sargent (02:07:59):
Show notification. Show

Leo Laporte (02:07:59):
Notification, [02:08:00] but I could have a notification. Let's see. Oops. Ification show. Should I type show maybe? Yeah. Okay, so you want to name it something unique obviously Show code scanner. Show remote show notification. So now when I tap my platinum card,

Mikah Sargent (02:08:20):
Show that notification.

Leo Laporte (02:08:21):
Show that notification. Yeah. Okay,

Mikah Sargent (02:08:24):
So now let's try it. Shall

Leo Laporte (02:08:25):
I try

Mikah Sargent (02:08:25):
It? Let's try

Leo Laporte (02:08:26):
It. Okay. That's all I have to do. It's done. Do

Mikah Sargent (02:08:28):
You have any do not disturbs [02:08:30] or anything like that turned on right now? Is your phone in a quiet alert mode?

Leo Laporte (02:08:35):
Yeah, it probably is. Let's turn that all off. Go down to this and yeah, no focus,

Mikah Sargent (02:08:39):
No focus mode. Okay, so that's

Leo Laporte (02:08:41):
Good. No focus. Okay, good. So let's try it. So let's try it. So I'm going to double tap here and I'm going to go to my platinum card and I should get a notification. Nope, but I'm sure I did something wrong.

Mikah Sargent (02:08:55):
Wait, let's swipe down from the top now and let's see if

Leo Laporte (02:08:58):
I got a notification. It was a silent notification [02:09:00] maybe.

Mikah Sargent (02:09:01):
Oh, maybe. You know what? I bet it doesn't let you, what did

Leo Laporte (02:09:05):
That say? That wasn't, that wasn't

Mikah Sargent (02:09:06):
Not interest. I wondering if it doesn't let you see notifications while you're in the wallet.

Leo Laporte (02:09:11):
I think it may be the case.

Mikah Sargent (02:09:14):
I thought this would work.

Leo Laporte (02:09:17):
So let's see how we do. How would we do that? You have a default card, so you always know that's one of those four. Debit cards is the default. If you set that, but you'd like to know which of those four different cards you're going to have to memorize [02:09:30] the four digits.

Mikah Sargent (02:09:31):
Yeah. I can't think of any other way to make this work, which is really unfortunate. I'm really surprised that didn't work though,

Leo Laporte (02:09:38):
Honestly. Well, maybe I did it wrong. Try it. Yeah,

Mikah Sargent (02:09:41):
There some notifications will happen without alerts, so you need to make sure that you choose to have it bother you. There's a little doggle

Leo Laporte (02:09:49):
And it may be that when the apple, I wouldn't be surprised when the wallet is up that you can't get a notification that would impede you.

Mikah Sargent (02:09:56):
Yeah, I guess it's right. Afterward you get the notification [02:10:00] that says that you just paid with it, but that's probably after you've popped out of that

Leo Laporte (02:10:03):
Wall. That's already done. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (02:10:04):
Yeah. Maybe you could have it. This is really silly, but you could have it if you had a beep or something. Vibrate. Yeah, or beep. And then it's one beep for the first guard, two beeps for the second. You know what I mean? But that's a lot.

Leo Laporte (02:10:19):
Yeah. Interesting question.

Mikah Sargent (02:10:21):
It is. And yeah, I never thought about having four cards with the same artwork on them.

Leo Laporte (02:10:26):
There was a recent article about how Apple has [02:10:30] tried and tried again to make programming easier on its products and has failed and failed again. And they include shortcuts as kind of a failure. It's an interesting

Mikah Sargent (02:10:42):
Piece of going back to what? Like Apples script?

Leo Laporte (02:10:45):
Yeah. Oh gosh. Yeah, exactly. HyperCard let, I mean it goes back a long inside. Let's see, where is it? No, that's not it. Oh, well it's an [02:11:00] old article a couple of weeks ago, but I thought it was quite interesting that while Apple is trying to try it again to make it, and I honor this, very easy to control its devices with HyperCard and then Apple Script and then Automator and eventually with shortcuts. You saw it's a little bit still not

Mikah Sargent (02:11:21):
Easy. No. Yeah, it still involves lots of stuff.

Leo Laporte (02:11:26):
Yeah. Mike b says automator, could you do it in Automator?

Mikah Sargent (02:11:30):
[02:11:30] No, because that's on the Mac.

Leo Laporte (02:11:31):
Oh, that's right. They never put that on the iPhone, did they? Yeah. I think you just have to learn the four digits.

Mikah Sargent (02:11:38):
Yeah. Yeah. I'm frustrated now. I want to, you should be able to get how that, yeah, make that work.

Leo Laporte (02:11:46):
Maybe that's a little piece that's missing. There may be a security reason for this too. The image of the card is going to be from the company.

Mikah Sargent (02:11:54):
I was thinking that. Yeah, the company

Leo Laporte (02:11:56):
Probably and maybe they don't

Mikah Sargent (02:11:57):
Want, and during the little kiss it probably.

Leo Laporte (02:12:00):
[02:12:00] Yeah. Oh look, I could get a bagel reward. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (02:12:06):
And what about want to change that automation to a different card? No, no,

Leo Laporte (02:12:14):
We've done enough.

Mikah Sargent (02:12:15):
Yeah, fair enough.

Leo Laporte (02:12:16):
I could explain how DD works, but let's not. No, I think that, you know what? Watch iOS today maybe.

Mikah Sargent (02:12:25):
Yeah. On Tuesday this is going to haunt me, so

Leo Laporte (02:12:27):
Ask Rosemary how you can do this. Yeah, [02:12:30] I bet we could do it. We weren't prepared. That's the thing about this show. It's out of the

Mikah Sargent (02:12:35):
Blue. It's live baby. We we're doing it live.

Leo Laporte (02:12:39):
We don't know what's going to happen. I'm going to do one more mail.

Mikah Sargent (02:12:41):

Leo Laporte (02:12:43):
Larry. Hi Larry. Longtime podcast listener here. Thank you Larry. Finally set up a domain name forward to a fast mail account. Nice. But to add my wife's email forward to Fast Mail, I had to get her own fast mail account [02:13:00] if she wants the same. So let's say I have and I want Lisa to have I would just say set it up in my fast mail account. I would set it up so that if mail comes to that Lisa address, it forwards to the email service she uses. Only I need the FastMail account. In fact, I have it set up that way for a lot of family members.

Mikah Sargent (02:13:30):
[02:13:30] So it's a mail forward setting within FastMail as well as from the domain side.

Leo Laporte (02:13:35):
You make a rule in FastMail, so FastMail lets you associate any domain name with FastMail. They're actually the D N Ss for almost all my domain names.

Mikah Sargent (02:13:44):
A sponsor on the network, by the way.

Leo Laporte (02:13:45):
Sponsor then. So I have, let's say I don't have, but if I had, I could associate it with it and I can tell FastMail should come to me. [02:14:00] I could also have a rule that says anything to gets forwarded to Lisa's gmail. What she uses.

Mikah Sargent (02:14:08):
Would you still have access to that

Leo Laporte (02:14:10):
Email? I would not. It goes right through. It bounces so the privacy is preserved. So every member of my family could have a email address without me seeing their mail.

Mikah Sargent (02:14:23):
If you are last name is LaPorte, reach out to Leo and he'll get your, I'll

Leo Laporte (02:14:27):
Glad to do that for anybody because I don't have [02:14:30] So the one issue is, of course, if I'm a bad actor, I could say send it to her, but keep a

Mikah Sargent (02:14:37):
Copy but also keep a copy.

Leo Laporte (02:14:39):
But unless you do that, it's just, it's going to bounce around. It's never going to get stored in your inbox. Okay. Yeah. I mean you could if you want. Make sure it's somebody you trust.

Mikah Sargent (02:14:50):
Yeah, don't contact a stranger about it.

Leo Laporte (02:14:52):
Who else should we talk to? Anybody? Anthony, you got somebody for us?

Caller Neil (02:14:56):
Yeah, let's go with Neil.

Leo Laporte (02:14:57):
Neil. Hello, Neil Line. [02:15:00] Neil's on the line,

Mikah Sargent (02:15:03):
Ain't it? So

Leo Laporte (02:15:03):
Divine call. Hey

Caller Neil (02:15:05):
Leo, how are Mike? How are you guys doing? We're great.

Mikah Sargent (02:15:07):
How are you? Well, Neil, thank you.

Caller Neil (02:15:10):
I'm great. I'm in Arizona cooling down, so it's only like 95 during the day. Oh my God. I like 70 at night, so it's actually pretty nice. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:15:18):
Winter's coming. What is winter in Arizona? How cold is it at the coldest time of year? At noon?

Caller Neil (02:15:27):
Well, I'm trying to think. It can get down into the [02:15:30] forties or fifties.

Leo Laporte (02:15:30):
Yeah, overnight because the desert gets cold, but in the middle of the day, older

Caller Neil (02:15:36):
Than you would think.

Leo Laporte (02:15:36):
Yeah. Okay.

Caller Neil (02:15:38):
It can get to the forties, it can get down to age of the fifties. You get where? Get a jacket.

Leo Laporte (02:15:44):
So that's why when it's winter, you go even further south

Caller Neil (02:15:50):
As far as I can, but if I went further south, I'd be in Mexico.

Leo Laporte (02:15:54):
Right. What can we do for

Caller Neil (02:15:56):
You, Neil? I went much further south. Okay. Well, by the way, I just [02:16:00] joined the Clubfoot a few months ago just to

Leo Laporte (02:16:02):
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for buying me and my family and Micah's iPhones.

Caller Neil (02:16:09):
Well, I have been watching your shows. We've talked many times before and I've been listening with you since the radio days. I know it's been a long time figure. Thank you.

Leo Laporte (02:16:17):
I appreciate it. I really appreciate it. Thank you.

Caller Neil (02:16:19):
My pleasure. And I saw your mom, the other, she looked great. She

Leo Laporte (02:16:23):
Adorable. She was on the event right before the event. That was awesome. Apple event. It was really nice to get [02:16:30] her on. She'd been on many times on iOS today she's getting on a little bit, so she's not quite as vigorous as she was back in the day. But yeah, it's really, she's a sweetheart. And what's interesting is she's an entertainer because she says, I tell jokes to everybody in the home, and I think it's just a matter of time before she's doing comedy, standup comedy at dinner. I could see where I get it from. Let's put it that way. She really likes to entertain, so thank [02:17:00] you Neil. Yeah, I'll give her,

Caller Neil (02:17:01):
But I do have a question for you, but I do have a question. So here's what I've got. I use a real simple setup. I have a pair of original home pods in my living room with a stereo pair that are also paired to my Apple TV four K. And I use that for TV sound and I use it throughout the other music or whatever podcast and things like that. I also have an own pot mini in my bedroom for listening. I like audible audio books. [02:17:30] I got listening to you in 2011 when I first signed up. It's in that thank you hundred 70 books.

Leo Laporte (02:17:37):
Yeah, I do the same thing. I listen to books, Lisa and I'll listen to books in the evening. It's a nice tradition on our, we have the big home pots. Now here's the problem. Yes.

Caller Neil (02:17:48):
Here's the problem on the little Home mini, if I want to pass the slice of the home mini speaker, it's better than the phone, the iPhone itself. So I easily can hold the phone over the, [02:18:00] and it hands

Leo Laporte (02:18:00):
It off

Caller Neil (02:18:01):
And it'll, it hands it off. But the problem is the handoff in the living room. Now, I went through Apple. I was on a phone with Apple yesterday and after resetting the home pods and everything, it seems to clear up the problem until I reintroduce the Apple TV into the mix now. And I realize that when you want to pass the audible audiobook on, you have to connect to the Apple TV and then it will [02:18:30] connect through the speaker. In other words, it launches. It actually launches the TV

Mikah Sargent (02:18:35):
Turn, it turns on the tv.

Leo Laporte (02:18:37):
So once you pair to the Apple tv, those speakers are no longer available as Bluetooth. It's one

Mikah Sargent (02:18:42):
Of the most annoying things as

Leo Laporte (02:18:44):
Bluetooth speakers to the rest of the house or airplay speakers to the rest of the house. They're only available through the Apple tv.

Mikah Sargent (02:18:51):
Yeah, it's a particularly frustrating thing, especially I have now what used to belong to Leo, a projection screen, [02:19:00] and you

Leo Laporte (02:19:00):
Have to turn it on in order to,

Mikah Sargent (02:19:02):
That whole thing comes on in order to, I wish

Leo Laporte (02:19:04):
You could just say to the Apple tv, no, no, I don't need the screen. I don't

Mikah Sargent (02:19:07):
Need you

Leo Laporte (02:19:08):
Just make music. But for some reason Apple TV says, no, no, I'm not going to work unless the TV's on

Mikah Sargent (02:19:15):
Because of the fact that it's not just a stereo pair, but it's a stereo pair connected to the tv. Yeah. Honestly, this is something that I just think needs to be fixed. I think that part of the problem, they're doing a lot of clever stuff all [02:19:30] at once. And so to try to sort between that is I'm sure not easy because especially if you have the Arc two stuff turned on where you can actually use those home pods as the audio output for other devices that you have, you still have to turn on the TV though. Yes, exactly. That's the problem. Yes. And so because of that, I think that that plays a role in why the Home pods essentially are as if they're physically connected [02:20:00] to the tv. I don't know of a way to, I don't think there's a solution for this other than them figuring out a way to make it so that the Home Pods can work separate from being connected to the television. I lied. The fly is back. So yeah, it's frustrating.

Caller Neil (02:20:19):
Yeah, well that isn't even the biggest problem because once it starts to play, the ACT decree goes blank. It'll still be on, but it's not, it's a flat thing. [02:20:30] It's not going to drive them a tower as long as it works. But I was sitting there yesterday listening to the audio book with this going on and it would play for a while and it seems like it's going fine, and then it stops and the TV goes back to the Apple TV screen and then the audio. I try, okay, go back my audiobook back on. And that was bad enough. But then it would jump back to the prior chapter where picked where I listening.

Mikah Sargent (02:20:54):
Oh, this is a

Caller Neil (02:20:54):
Separate thing. It doesn't mean its place. Yeah,

Mikah Sargent (02:20:56):
This is a separate thing. This happens to me with Audible, [02:21:00] actually quite not super often, but basically there is. So Audible is sometimes doing some of its own clever stuff in the way that it does audio streaming. And because of the way that it does the audio streaming, it doesn't play 100% nice with Apples. As an example, a thing that you download, let's say a podcast app that you download, a third party podcast [02:21:30] app, many of them are using the straight to apple bare metal version of audio streaming. They're using everything that Apple says you should use with that audio streaming. And so it's rock solid even whenever there's a new update out, however, audible and sometimes other, especially audiobook apps, because the way that they have to do decompression and what is the word I'm looking for? They have [02:22:00] everything locked. Crypto protection. Yeah, the copy protection.

Yeah, the D rmm, all of that is happening on the fly. And so they're not doing the straight to bare metal streaming of the music or of the audio. And so I have this issue all the time when Audible comes out with a new app update or when iOS comes out with a new update for the operating system for a while, audible will just stop playing sometimes. Most recently, the issue that I've had is something that you were just talking about where it'll bounce back to the chapter before. So audible's having [02:22:30] some issues right now with the sinking of the last played position. But I will say this, to give Audible credit, who also has been a sponsor in the network before, they just came out not too long ago with this thing called The Listener Log. And it's what I have wanted my whole life because what's that with Listener Log? It will look at your past actions and it will keep track of them. So what does this mean? It means that when I turn on my sleep timer at night, it logs [02:23:00] that, it's almost like an auto save. And then when the sleep timer ends, it logs that when I play or pause, it logs that. And so when I wake up in the morning having fallen asleep while I was listening to the audiobook, I can look back in the listener log and find my place right where I was.

Leo Laporte (02:23:16):
Oh, that's nice.

Mikah Sargent (02:23:16):
Isn't that so nice? This

Leo Laporte (02:23:18):
Is that in the Audible

Mikah Sargent (02:23:18):
App? Yeah, so if you're in the Audible app and you start playing something in the top right corner of the three dots, and if you tap on the three dots, you will see a new setting that says listening [02:23:30] log. I said Listener

Leo Laporte (02:23:31):
Log. Oh yeah, listening log.

Mikah Sargent (02:23:32):
And then you'll see, oh, it's per book. Per book. Yeah. So when you pause last, when you hit play, when a new chapter started, when you turned on the sleep timer, it's got everything in there and that helps me go back and find where I was. And so I think that that new feature, all of that is playing against us and that's causing your most recent issue with the, so it's two separate issues, the thing you're talking about where the TV ends up turning on, but the reason it was [02:24:00] stopping playing randomly, look at this. I believe that's on the audible side of it. This is really, check that out. Isn't

Leo Laporte (02:24:04):
It awesome? The book I was showing earlier, I just started, so it only had two entries. Here's a book I've been listening to for some time, and it's quite a few entries and you can figure out and it'll jump to that part of the book. So if I said, oh, I didn't hear it last night, let me jump back to where I started from. How clever is that?

Mikah Sargent (02:24:23):

Leo Laporte (02:24:24):
Love it. Thank you, audible. I didn't even know about that. That's

Mikah Sargent (02:24:27):
Great. I just found out about it two days [02:24:30] ago.

Leo Laporte (02:24:31):
Another option, which I also frustrated by some of this weirdness is to buy the books in Apple's books. But I did notice that a book, for instance, that Audible charges seven 50 for Apple charges, 25 bucks for, it's like buying it from a regular bookstore instead of from Audible. And that's, and then you can't use the credit. Yeah, that kind of put me off. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (02:24:57):
Yeah. It's unfortunate that, [02:25:00] but

Leo Laporte (02:25:00):
Because I'd like to be able to, one thing you can't do with Audible is say, Hey, s I play my book. You could do it with an Amazon Echo device because Audible's an Amazon company, we can't do it. So I thought, well, if I buy it, maybe occasionally I buy a book from the Apple store, I can listen on my home pods.

Mikah Sargent (02:25:19):
Yeah, interesting. What I'll say is that you'll probably see this start to get ironed out, the thing where it's just stopping randomly as far as the home pod. That is just the way [02:25:30] things are right now.

Caller Neil (02:25:33):
Well, thank you. Making the call at least gives the answer to the question what's probably happening. So I appreciate you taking the call.

Leo Laporte (02:25:39):
You know you're not alone from you. Mike is suffering too. Hey, I appreciate the call. Thanks so much.

Caller Neil (02:25:45):

Leo Laporte (02:25:46):
Have a great day. I think that's our last call of the day. We get ready for this weekend in tech coming up in about half an hour. We do ask the Tech Guys Sundays we start around 11:00 AM Pacific, that's 2:00 PM Eastern [02:26:00] Time, 1800 U T C, and we go till We're Done, which is almost always 1:30 PM Pacific, four 30 Eastern 2030 U T C. And the only reason I mentioned that is because you can watch us do it live. In fact, that's really the best way to call in because if you call in while we're on, you could talk to us directly. The live stream is at twit tv slash live. Logically enough, of course, you don't have to watch Live. You can watch On Demand because we're a podcast. So you can find [02:26:30] the as you always have. You can also subscribe in your favorite podcast player.

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Mikah Sargent (02:27:22):
Yeah, I think you covered it.

Leo Laporte (02:27:24):
Did I just give the whole thing? I didn't give you any chance to say a word's.

Mikah Sargent (02:27:28):
There was not a word that needed said other than, [02:27:30] again, join club twit t TV slash club.

Leo Laporte (02:27:33):
Definitely do that. Don't forget Lou Mariska. Ask me anything on Thursday. I am going to go to Green Bay for the week. You

Mikah Sargent (02:27:40):

Leo Laporte (02:27:40):
Yes. And I will not be back till next Sunday.

Mikah Sargent (02:27:42):
No. So

Leo Laporte (02:27:43):
You're going to be taking over some of my shows.

Mikah Sargent (02:27:45):
I'll be filling in on Mac Brick Weekly and Windows Weekly.

Leo Laporte (02:27:48):
Jason Howell, Jason Howell

Mikah Sargent (02:27:49):
On Security Now and Twig and Twig.

Leo Laporte (02:27:52):
Alright, some good shows coming up. I'm sorry I can't be here for them, but I will be back next Sunday for Ask the [02:28:00] Tech Guys. In the meantime, I'm Leo LaPorte.

Mikah Sargent (02:28:03):
I'm Micah Sergeant.

Leo Laporte (02:28:04):
Have a great Geek week.

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