Ask the Tech Guys Episode 1979 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
Why? Hey, hey, it's time for Ask the Tech Guys. I'm Leo LaPorte coming up, rod Pyle and I talk UFOs.

Mikah Sargent (00:00:06):
Ooh. And I'm Micah Sergeant, and I'm going to give you three things you need to do when you first get an iPhone. Oh, that's

Leo Laporte (00:00:12):
Good. And I'll explain why there is nothing intelligent about artificial intelligence. Ask the Tech Guys is next

Mikah Sargent (00:00:21):
Podcasts you love from people you trust.

Leo Laporte (00:00:25):
This

Mikah Sargent (00:00:26):
Is tweet.

Leo Laporte (00:00:30):
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Mikah Sargent (00:01:58):
It's time for ask the Tech guys the show where we take your questions live on air and do our best to answer them. I am one of your hosts, Micah. Sergeant. I'm

Leo Laporte (00:02:08):
Leo LaPorte as one is want to say Hey. Hey. Hey, <laugh>. Hey. Hey. Somewhere on the set, if you're watching the video, I have disguised, I have hidden Oh. Something that we're gonna talk about in a moment. But first, let me tell you, coming up, we're gonna talk about space with Rod Pyle. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. We're gonna talk about photography with Chris Marwat. We're gonna take a lot of your calls and we're gonna hear from the guy who started the Reddit revolt. But first, here it is. It's so thin you can barely see it. You might have thought why that's merely an artifact <laugh> on the television screen, but no, that is the 15 inch MacBook Air God is so big. Wow. That when you hold seat on the side, it seems really extra thin. Yeah. And I heard people say, boy, that seems light. It's 3.3 pounds. It's not light by any means, but Oh, yeah, because it's so big. You feel like that's, that's light. It's

Mikah Sargent (00:03:03):
Pretty light. But yeah. I I expected it to be lighter. It is heavier

Leo Laporte (00:03:07):
Than I, yeah. No, it's 3.3 pounds. It's not a, you have the 12, what is it? The 14 and 13 inch 13 Yeah. Version of this. Here, put it aside by side so you can see. I'll bring it over. So it's not that much bigger. I like a 15 inch screen in every other way. This is identical to that. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, same processor, same guts. It has two extra speakers. Oh, you know what? Well, we can't, it won't really work, but I was gonna play some music on this. And you play some music on that, I imagine. Yeah. This is somewhere in between that which has, doesn't have the greatest music reproduction and the MacBook Pros, which actually sounds so good. Quite good. I kind of wanna listen to music on them. This is pretty good. <Laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (00:03:47):
This is, I it's

Leo Laporte (00:03:48):
Pretty good. It's, I good enough, I think. But you know what they didn't do with put the speakers?

Mikah Sargent (00:03:54):
Yeah. There are no speaker grills on it. Are there. So

Leo Laporte (00:03:56):
I think that might be one of the reasons it's impeded also not better Battery Life, because the larger screen takes battery away. So as a result you get no net gain. It's 18 hours of watching a Apple tv. Does

Mikah Sargent (00:04:12):
That have a screen notch or the bezels big enough that it, it has a, it doesn't. It has. Okay.

Leo Laporte (00:04:16):
It has a nichey notchy. Let me let me open something that's not in dark mode, because that's why you can't see the notch. Well, actually you probably couldn't. No. Yes, you can't. Because the notch is, they're very, very clever about, they're very clever about it. It's up here. And I use Hidden Hidden Menu, or Hidden Bar. I, it's called. Got it. Okay. So that I squeeze my, my menu bar down. It's over here. Squeeze it down so it doesn't impede the notch. Doesn't impede. I, you know, I, so I was all excited. Do you have my over the shoulder? I was all excited because I thought, oh, this is really a nice screen. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and then Paul Stama STAI, we call him on on Mastodon, said, well, how's it compare to the MacBook Pro with the XDR display? So I went and got Lisa's very fancy. M two Max MacBook Pro was 64 gigs of Ram Uhoh. And now I don't like my, oh,

Mikah Sargent (00:05:12):
Come on,

Leo Laporte (00:05:13):
<Laugh>. It is not as good as the xdr, I have to say. Now I am running this. They want, so the, the native resolution is 28 80 UHHUH by 1964. Okay. Okay. And they want you to run it at not exactly half, but at 1710 by 1107. That's the default. Which I found to be a little small. And it's weird because it's not, you know, normally when you do you do the resolution, you wanna do half of the native resolution so that you don't have jaggy. But I guess apple's so good at it or something that they don't have that problem. So they can recommend 1710 by 1107, which is a weird aspect ratio.

Mikah Sargent (00:05:56):
That is odd.

Leo Laporte (00:05:57):
But you get 10 80 p I guess so it's for high def video, but I understand I'm running at 1440 by 9 32. Cause everything's a little bigger, a little bit easier to see. So as a result, I only get a little bit more screen real estate than you do, but enough, I like it. It's nice. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:06:16):
It sounds like you're not so sure that

Leo Laporte (00:06:18):
No, I do it. Thank you Stai for making me hate my screen. <Laugh>. I don't hate it. It's still nice. It's very nice. It's, it's like your screen.

Mikah Sargent (00:06:26):
I mean, I, this, this particular laptop, I really love the, for me, the, the th the 13 inches fine, the size, the weight yeah. And I, I've been surprised with how powerful this is despite being a max. It's plenty air,

Leo Laporte (00:06:41):
It's plenty. M two is plenty. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> it maxes out at 24 gigs of Ram, at least as I said, 64, 15

Mikah Sargent (00:06:49):
Inch. Can it run to two screens, two external screens? It's the same exact. Okay. So it's exactly the same. Okay.

Leo Laporte (00:06:56):
Yeah. Unfortunately, I thought it might be more. So now I'm thinking. Well, and you know what's interesting? That's a little too small. This is a little too big. Lisa's was 14 Right in

Mikah Sargent (00:07:06):
The middle 14,

Leo Laporte (00:07:07):
Just right. Yeah. So now I'm thinking I want the Pro XDR display. So I'm gonna wait till the M three comes out. There you go. And I've been cautioning Mac people. The M two was an incremental improvement on the M one. We expect a lot more from the M three, cuz it's the new three nanometer process from tsmc. And it should be a good leap forward from the M one and M two. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And so I'm thinking, well, next year I might be getting myself

Mikah Sargent (00:07:31):
14 inch, right?

Leo Laporte (00:07:32):
14 inch GM three. It's

Mikah Sargent (00:07:33):
The Goldilocks for you.

Leo Laporte (00:07:34):
And then this will go in Leo's garage. So you know, what I should do is my box of the garage sale items is in the back of my car.

Mikah Sargent (00:07:39):
<Laugh> you're carrying with you. I

Leo Laporte (00:07:40):
Should. It would be fun someday to bring that in before I show it to the staff. Oh, yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:07:44):
That would be cool. And

Leo Laporte (00:07:45):
Show you what I'm getting rid of. Yes.

Mikah Sargent (00:07:47):
<Laugh>. Yeah. And, and Oh, remember this? Yeah, that'd be fun actually. So the

Leo Laporte (00:07:52):
Reddit revolts is heating up. Somebody's gotta zip up. Steve Huffman, the c e o of Reddit's mouth just keeps

Mikah Sargent (00:08:00):
Talking and saying all the wrong things. He

Leo Laporte (00:08:02):
Gave three or four interviews on Friday that were, I think counterproductive would be a nice way to say it.

Mikah Sargent (00:08:11):
I, yeah. I would even describe them as unhinged <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:08:15):
He compared Reddit's mod. Okay. So we gotta understand, if you don't use Reddit, Reddit is software. It's like, kind of like forum software that lets users create what they call subreddits discussion areas, subreddits. And then you, you would, you generally, people would volunteer to moderate it, to keep it clean, to keep it on topic. Somebody's gotta, it's a lot of work to moderate it. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, they don't work for Reddit. They just users. And then people like you and me read and post to it. And over the, how many years has Red been around eight years, something like that. It's maybe a little longer. 13. It's become a great repository of information because if you go to, actually this is in Reddit's own advertisements, the maple syrup, subreddit, <laugh>, you will have people who live their lives to find the best maple syrup.

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And you can say, what's the best maple syrup? And they will give you like, good information. Much better than Google. Right? Like, great information. So it really is kind of in the spirit of the traditional web, like Wikipedia was, blogs were where people who are obsessive about a topic will post and help and talk about it's huge value read at his gain. Now, all they did is made make the software, it's all Steve. He wrote it, by the way, in the early days, he wrote it and gotten rewrote and since, but he wrote the first version along with Alexis Ohanian, the founders, and Aaron Schwartz, the founders of Reddit, the early guys. But now Steve, you know, CEOs have come and gone. And Steve, for some reason came back as c e o and he's changed. He's not the guy he used to be. And and he seems to think that the most important part of Reddit is the software underneath, not the moderators and the people who put the content there. But as anybody who uses Twitter or any social network knows that's what's strong. That's

Mikah Sargent (00:10:11):
What makes it worse. Going

Leo Laporte (00:10:13):
To, that's what, right. That's the value of it. And so now Steve Huffman is saying so remember they wanted to turn off the third party apps mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. And they did it only slightly worse than, slightly better than Twitter. Twitter just cut him off. <Laugh>. Elon just come and apparently Huffman is a fan of Elon's. He says, I like his management style. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (00:10:34):
Lovely.

Leo Laporte (00:10:34):
Yeah. So <laugh>, so instead of cutting him off, that's a full answer. They did a kind of a backdoor thing where they raised the cost of the API so high that third party apps couldn't afford to exist. You can't, you know, use the API to get the data from Reddit and display it. And Huffman's point of view is, well, they're just, these apps are doing the same thing we're doing except they're charging for it and making money on it. And, and we are providing all the horsepower for those apps and not seeing any of that revenue, which is not unreasonable. Right. It's not unreasonable to say we don't want any more third party apps. There's a problem though, because the moderators, the unpaid volunteers also use third party apps. So there's some difficulty there. In any event, the decision to do this and do it in such short notice, it ends at the end of the month. The new API goes in effect, has really consternated users and third party app developers who several of them have said, we can't keep going this, it's too expensive. Reddit is fun. Riff on Android is one of them. But the most used app, the one I use, the one I love is Apollo. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> by Christian Selick. You talked to him on Thursday.

Mikah Sargent (00:11:42):
I did. I had the opportunity to talk to Christian Selig. I wanted to keep having a conversation, but, you know, we didn't have too much time, but one of the questions I asked, because it's something that I'd seen other kind of wondering about, and I think what was kind of important for Christian to be able to explain is, you know, why not simply raise the price of Apollo and use that to fund the app and keep it going? And this is what Christian had to say.

Christian Selig (00:12:13):
So the first one is it doesn't seem to me like at this point through the actions Reddit have taken have indicated that they want third party apps around in any capacity anymore. So it would be one of those things where like, if, if you're going into work every day, knowing your boss kind of hates you and is trying to figure out a way to get rid of you, it's not an environment that is super productive to work in. I would say. And I, and I think like Reddit's actions, even through how they've kind of indirectly tried to kill third party apps, but even beyond that, like, there's been weird allegations where they said, I've like tried to blackmail them and stuff, which thankfully I recorded the call <laugh> and said, showed there that wasn't the case at all. So there's like kind of just this bad blood aspect where they really seem to hate third party apps for some reason.

(00:12:56):
And then, so I guess that would be reason one, reason two would be even just like, okay, just charge everyone $5 a month if they, if they wanna stay around. Like, the economics of that are really tricky because the way Reddit chose to do this is based on a per API call basis, which isn't inherently weird or anything, but at the price they chose it, it, it changes the calculus a little. So like unsurprisingly, like a free user typically uses less API calls than a paid user. So they cost less. So the average subscription user at Apollo currently uses about a little less than 500 requests per day on average. So when you do the math, that works out to about over the course of a month, it will cost about $3 and 60, 60 or 70 cents to keep them around. So if I charge them $5 after Apple takes their cut, you're looking at like $3 and 50 cents less to the left of the developer. So I'm at like 10, 20 cents in the red on your average user.

Leo Laporte (00:13:52):
And the problem, the other problem he didn't, I'm sure he talked about later on the show mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, was that many users are brought grandfathered in at a lower cost.

Mikah Sargent (00:13:59):
Yes. That was his that was part of the, the second thing, and

Leo Laporte (00:14:02):
I paid Christian, or I paid Christian every year mm-hmm. <Affirmative> to keep Apollo Premium and all of that stuff. I also paid Reddit, by the way, Reddit has a premium thing and I value Reddit so much, I paid for it. So by clamping down, Reddit has, in effect, not only chased away Christian mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, but chased away moderators and users. Look at this is R slash pics, which wa used to be a place where they'd display pictures. It was one of the most popular subreddits. Now they're only displaying pictures of John Oliver, <laugh>, all John Oliver all the time. Time. that's it.

Mikah Sargent (00:14:42):
And is this, is this because of Reddit's more recent decision to say that if moderators aren't going to open up their subreddits, then we're going to assign new moderators. So this, at least this

Leo Laporte (00:14:54):
Is the worst thing. Yeah. So moderators

Mikah Sargent (00:14:56):
Keep going

Leo Laporte (00:14:57):
Slash r slash iPhone r slash music and others are shutting down. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> moving people to Discord in other places. So Reddit reasonably wants to reopen them. They're the worst. The slimiest thing Steve Huffman did is say, well, we're gonna give users the option to vote out their moderators, and if you don't like it, if you want to keep your subreddit open, you can always throw them out. Evil man. He call, he says something about peasants and gentry. Yeah. He says that the, that the moderators are acting like landowners. Well, so Steve, you are in fact acting like a landowner. This is the same rhetoric by the way that, sad to say Elon Musk used about blue checks on Twitter. Of course. And this is the tone deaf Silicon Valley thing that is frankly gonna kill the free and open web. You know, they see this really as a place to colonize and make money on. Absolutely. And, and they forget that it's made of people and we're the people.

Mikah Sargent (00:16:01):
Yeah. And in this case, you have people who are like France, they are protesting. I I always think of France, like every little thing that changes in that country, you've got protests going on. I, I do wanna point to everyone should go check out that interview because I also asked Christian Selig, what would it take for you to keep Apollo running? You know, what would be the sort of pie in the sky reason that, that you could keep it open? And what could Reddit do to kind of fix things? And I thought that it was a really interesting response. So you can check out, oh,

Leo Laporte (00:16:36):
You're not gonna tell me how this is probably a long response. Yeah. you know, Reddit was headed towards an I P O. I have to think that that's kind of scuttled at this point. Huffman has so interest. Think so. Oh yeah. Well, would you buy No,

Mikah Sargent (00:16:51):
<Laugh>,

Leo Laporte (00:16:51):
The future of Reddit is unknown and unclear. Huffman says he's probably right. This will blow over, but it won't blow over without long-term damage. And I really think there's long-term damage already in the first week of the boycott, 10% drop in usage. I just, I feel like it's the end of the line for Reddit. Just ver very much the end of the line for Twitter. It's not that they're going away, they're just not this not what

Mikah Sargent (00:17:12):
They were not what they were. Yeah. Do you think could, if they had waited until after the i p O to do this, that everything might've been different? I just think it was an odd choice to risk doing what's happened now before they did the I P O. But did they need to show this extra source of money's problem before they can even do the

Leo Laporte (00:17:31):
Ipo? The Reddit has never made money. They've only lost money all this time. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And so it's hard to sell an i p maybe not in this world stock market, but I think the thinking was, well, we can't do an IPO if if we don't have some sort of path to profit. So this is their path to profit. But I think here's, look, they have the right to do this. And, and companies of course have to make money. You can't be profitless forever. But I think you have to really consider what makes Reddit. Reddit. And it's the users. It's the people. And if, and you can't, if you cheese them off, you're, you're outta luck.

Mikah Sargent (00:18:08):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:18:08):
Our phone number is (888) 724-2884. We are live between two and 5:00 PM Eastern time on Sundays. You can call then and get, we will get you on the air. If we can't if we can't, you can call during off hours and leave a message. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, we are gonna play back some voicemails we got this week. We also have emails, atg twit tv and you can zoom. We like the zoom. In fact, we've got somebody on Zoom I want to get to in a second. Who's playing his guitar. That Zoom call is call.twit.tv.

Mikah Sargent (00:18:42):
So many ways to reach out to us.

Leo Laporte (00:18:44):
We love it. We keep making more ways.

Mikah Sargent (00:18:46):
Yeah. Soon we will also have a network of carrier pigeons around the us

Leo Laporte (00:18:50):
<Laugh>. I like that. Wouldn't it be funny? That'd be so cool. It'ss time for another pigeon and pigeon flies in that

Mikah Sargent (00:18:55):
Be

Leo Laporte (00:18:55):
So thing off and read it. Let's do that.

Mikah Sargent (00:18:56):
Let's just carve a hole.

Leo Laporte (00:18:58):
Let's do, that's do, how do we, how do you do carrier pigeons? We'll have

Mikah Sargent (00:19:00):
To, we'll have to hire someone, a specialist, as soon a

Leo Laporte (00:19:02):
Specialist. And we'll have to have a hole in the roof, as you say. Cuz it's like owls and Harry Potter. They have to be able to fly

Mikah Sargent (00:19:08):
In. They have to find to fly in. Wait, where did, how does Santa get in here?

Leo Laporte (00:19:11):
Oh, we have a Chi chiney.

Mikah Sargent (00:19:12):
We can find the chimney. Yeah, there's a

Leo Laporte (00:19:13):
Chimney somewhere.

Mikah Sargent (00:19:14):
Repurpose it.

Leo Laporte (00:19:17):
I think I wanna do an ad before we do our first

Mikah Sargent (00:19:20):
Call. Not a bad idea. Not a bad idea. Okay.

Leo Laporte (00:19:22):
And then we're gonna talk to Adolph, who's gonna play the guitar for

Mikah Sargent (00:19:24):
Us. I'm so excited.

Leo Laporte (00:19:25):
Are you gonna play for us, Adolf? Yes, he is. He's playing right now.

Mikah Sargent (00:19:30):
<Laugh>. Very well, it seems. I'm seeing those fingers. So either it's all just a, a really good boy. Or

Leo Laporte (00:19:36):
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Mikah Sargent (00:20:11):
My God. Just everything, all the time.

Leo Laporte (00:20:14):
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Mikah Sargent (00:23:47):
<Laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:23:47):
They were getting free ads before that. Fastmail.Com/Twit. Please use that address so we get credit FastMail. All right, now I want us, oh, do I Now AOL's red. Does that mean you did it or do I need to do it? I'm gonna pick him up. Let's, I want to hear some guitar. We have a lot of musicians in our audience. Did you notice

Mikah Sargent (00:24:10):
That? Yeah. Yeah, we do.

Leo Laporte (00:24:12):
I think there is a natural affinity

Mikah Sargent (00:24:13):
Pianists

Leo Laporte (00:24:14):
And between

Mikah Sargent (00:24:16):
Composers,

Leo Laporte (00:24:17):
Coders, and geeks and musicians, I think same part of the brain. Hey Adolph.

Caller Adolph (00:24:24):
Hello.

Leo Laporte (00:24:24):
Wait. Welcome. It's great to see you. What are you playing on your guitar today?

Caller Adolph (00:24:31):
Oh, I can't I don't see you, but I see me.

Leo Laporte (00:24:37):
Well, I don't,

Mikah Sargent (00:24:37):
We might be able to address that.

Leo Laporte (00:24:39):
I don't see that.

Caller Adolph (00:24:40):
Oh, I see you. Can you hear me now? Yeah,

Mikah Sargent (00:24:42):
We can hear you.

Caller Adolph (00:24:44):
Okay, welcome. Thank you. I'm the reason I have a guitar is I'm practicing while I'm waiting to come on the air. So smart. It's a gypsy jazz guitar.

Leo Laporte (00:24:56):
Oh, I love gypsy jazz. I

Caller Adolph (00:24:59):
Love it. Yeah, there you go. I've been studying for the last eight years and it takes a lot of study and I've been playing guitar all my life. Like all of us our age.

Leo Laporte (00:25:08):
Yeah, we all did, didn't we?

Caller Adolph (00:25:11):
Cause Oh, but anyway, my my question is yes superseding that my, my my practice and that is this weekend on Friday. In fact Louisiana put out a a notice on Friday that our Department of Motor Vehicles has been hacked.

Leo Laporte (00:25:29):
Oh my God.

Caller Adolph (00:25:30):
All of our information Oh, that we give dmv.

Leo Laporte (00:25:34):
Oh God. Which is everything except for credit cards. Although I suppose they even might have that.

Caller Adolph (00:25:39):
Yeah. I don't think they have credit card information. But so they went online and they went on the newspaper and say, oh, you gotta go in and freeze all your credit and change all your passwords and do this and that. Well, I learned from the last time when the Equifax thing happened that I did freeze all those smart man credit reporting. Yeah. but I'm wondering to what extent I should go in and change every password. Cuz basically, if they already have my social security, which I wouldn't be surprised they had anyway changing all my passwords at this point. I mean, they're, well, they're gonna go in and try to do what they're gonna do anyway. So changing. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:26:21):
So getting your DMV record doesn't give them anything but maybe your DMV password. Right. And if DMV is done right, it wouldn't even give them that. It would give them a, a hash hash. So

Mikah Sargent (00:26:32):
I think it, I would, I would almost argue that we, they are making the assumption that many people who have an account with the DMV in Louisiana are using the same password elsewhere. So they're just trying to blanket statement, change your passwords because you're probably using the same password. If you aren't though, then that probably is not going to apply to you because to, just because I have someone's social security number that would take a massive amount of social engineering to, you know, go through every single person on that list and try to, I don't know, hack somebody's Gmail by contacting and doing all that. They

Leo Laporte (00:27:04):
Call it credential stuffing. When if you get somebody's login and password, you try it on a bunch of other sites because most people, and you don't do this right, Adolf reuse their password over and over and over again, or some variation thereof. It's folks, that's why you have to use a password manager. And every password has to be unique. This is you, this is this, this is the, in a nutshell, the perfect example. So you said you'd already freezed your credit.

Caller Adolph (00:27:29):
Yeah. The, the thing is I don't think I even have a D M V password cause well, I'll, I'll check and see. But I may have renewed online or, or something like that. But other than that I, I check with my credit cards. I checked with Social security and, you know, even alerted them to say, well, there's been this breach. And if anyone tries to go in, I wanna make you aware of that. I put two factor on a couple of things here and there. Good. The things that are important, like the bank, like social security, like place where you have your CDs, you know, have very unique passwords. Right? I mean, I'm thinking something like Amazon, you know, is it or a couple of sites should I worry about that kind of a password? Especially for

Leo Laporte (00:28:17):
No, no. I don't think it, I don't think your passwords are vulnerable. If you've been using unique passwords, this is why that hygiene is so important. And two-factor. Also turn on two-factor at Amazon, if you have unique passwords for every site and two-factor that protects you against these breaches, you can't, you can, if you wanna go to, have i been phoned.com? You can see they have a password section. Have I been PW n e d.com. Troy Hunt does it. It's very secure. It's okay to give it your password. You can enter that password and and see if that password has been breached. And I bet you the Louisiana breach will be in there quickly. He, he's, he picks up all the breaches as quickly as he can and then goes out to the dark web and finds the fi you know, cuz usually what happens after a breach is somebody starts selling that information.

(00:29:07):
So he'll go see if that information's available and add it to his database. According to nola.com no signs that the hackers have started to sell, sell, use, or released that OMV data. Nor have they contacted <laugh>, anybody in this, in the state government. I think the most important thing you, you could do is do a credit freeze. Go to nerdwallet.com and look that up. Everybody should have a credit freeze on all the time. The only people it's hard for is young folks like Micah who might be applying for Right. To rent an apartment or buy a car or get a loan. And, and then you have to unfreeze it temporarily. The good news is, the feds a few years ago made it illegal to charge for a freeze unfreeze. So it's free, it will be free to unfreeze it. And it's, it's a little, sometimes a little tricky that they don't, the credit bureaus don't want you to do this, but it's worth doing. It sounds like you already did that, Adolf, that's, that's the most important thing you did. Cuz that's what bad guys do would do with a social, is they apply for credit, they try to get a credit card and that and all that DMV information would set them up for that. They've got your name, address, birthdate, and social. Well, that's all you need to get a credit card in your name. And so having a freeze is the single most important thing.

Caller Adolph (00:30:23):
I I tend to differentiate between things like getting into my, on my American Express account or getting in on my bank account versus getting into things sites where there's no money involved. Yeah. I

Leo Laporte (00:30:36):
Understand. My New York Times password's pretty weak, for instance. Yeah.

Caller Adolph (00:30:40):
Because who cares? So that, that, that's an OK way to think about it. Things like that.

Leo Laporte (00:30:44):
Well, the, the No. Yes, but my strong suggestion, and I should do it too, I'm with you is to start using a good password manager, then it's just easy. It's a good habit to always generate fresh passwords. You don't have to think about it. You don't have to think about it. And it's all stored and then it doesn't come up. I should probably, and a good password manager will tell you, you've reused this password 24 times. I should go through all of those places where I use monkey 1, 2, 3. That's what I've had to do in the past and fix those. But as, just as you say, Adolf, who cares if somebody reads my New York Times? I mean, it's not <laugh>, it's not the end of the world. When I used to get a newspaper, they would steal it from my driveway. Likes that. Right. <laugh>. So.

Caller Adolph (00:31:24):
Well that, that's the thing between you Uncle Leo, I've been watching since call for help and thank you. And way back when. Thank you. Still got my tech, tech TV hat. If you haven't done this yet, <laugh>, then I, I don't

Leo Laporte (00:31:37):
Feel, yeah, don't feel bad. No. I'm as bad as everyone else. Hey Lisa, I wanna come to the Jazz festival. You recommend it?

Caller Adolph (00:31:45):
Absolutely. Do come to the jazz festival. Do come to the French Quarter Festival. Do come down here in March. Do come down here in October. Weather's better. And the Festival of Music is fantastic.

Leo Laporte (00:31:58):
When we were in New Orleans, it's, we, we chewed bourbon Street and went to is it Frenchman Street? Absolutely amazing clubs. Every single club. Just incredible musicians. Really enjoyed that. Yeah. I really

Caller Adolph (00:32:14):
Enjoyed that. I'm playing there on Wednesday. Wow. And a couple of clubs around town. So

Leo Laporte (00:32:18):
I love that. Wow. So are you a Django aficionado?

Caller Adolph (00:32:23):
I am. I have been studying that for the last eight or nine years. Nice. That's the last peg I had to hit. Jazz on guitar. And that's a great way in.

Leo Laporte (00:32:31):
Oh, I love it. It's the best. It's so good. I love gypsy gypsy jazz. That's amazing. We stayed one year in Sam, your son in just outside of Paris, which is where Django grew up. And they have all these memorials and they have a Django Festival and stuff. I, I just love it. Django Reinhardt the great. Oh, this is the

Caller Adolph (00:32:48):
Time of the year for these study festivals. There's a Django in June in Massachusetts. The Samo in Europe. And there's these festivals all over Europe. Yeah. Next year. I think I'm gonna go to one of those.

Leo Laporte (00:32:59):
Yeah. San Juan's beautiful. Highly recommend it. It's about half an hour, 45 minutes by train to Paris. It's a wonderful place to stay. We really enjoyed, it's right on the river. Hey, a pleasure meeting you Adolph. Nice to meet you. And thanks for raising the alarm. If you are living Louisiana. <Laugh>. Yeah, I'm looking@nolan.com. They say yes. You should absolutely change all your passwords. I I I don't That's good. You don't need people change your passwords too much. If you have good passwords, you don't need to change 'em. Yeah. Turn on two factor. Great idea. If you haven't reused them, you're okay. I would say protect your tax refund. Well, that's a good point because your social security number is is what you often use to

Caller Adolph (00:33:40):
And social security, they, they're concerned about that. Either people who get it or people who haven't. Got it. So I trying to spoof you to get

Leo Laporte (00:33:46):
It. Yeah, yeah. No, your social, unfortunately it can be changed, but it's hard to change. And it, it is. Should you know, the government says never use this for ID except they do. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:33:58):
<Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:33:58):
So many places. Everybody wants you to use this. Everybody does. Yeah. Never use it for Id. Well, yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:34:03):
Except here and here and on this form and here.

Leo Laporte (00:34:05):
Yeah. Yeah. So it's unfortunate. But that's that's the biggest thing to protect. Do the credit freeze though. Everybody should do that anyway, because that just prevents all Thank you much. Hey, great to talk to you. Keep practicing. Great question. It's great he didn't play. Thank you. Take care. I was helping him all.

Mikah Sargent (00:34:19):
Little bit. Little bit.

Leo Laporte (00:34:22):
We have a few minutes before. Is it gonna be rod first or Chris first? Rod first. Rod first. Rod Py will be joining us soon. I see a hand raised. I don't see a name, but I'm gonna push the button and see what happens. Oh, you know what I've lost. I think I've lost control. We're outta control. I've lost control. Who's driving this thing longer? No longer have control. Alright. And John's not here to refresh it, so I don't, something

Mikah Sargent (00:34:49):
Happens to do. So I think we may soon have audio. Yeah. We're gonna have audio from Trevor here in a moment.

Leo Laporte (00:34:54):
Oh, okay. You know what's going on?

Mikah Sargent (00:34:58):
I can, can you hear

Leo Laporte (00:34:58):
Me? Yeah, we can hear you. Hi Trevor. Welcome to Tech Guys. That's a tech guy. And I'm a tech guy. There's two Whoa.

Caller Trevor (00:35:10):
I, this, this, this last three years has been very hard on

Leo Laporte (00:35:14):
Me. Oh, I'm sorry. And

Caller Trevor (00:35:16):
I really, I got my contract unit for my annual, for my RingCentral. And now I have 10,000 to three minutes a month.

Leo Laporte (00:35:25):
Hey, that should be enough to do that. Show you wanna do.

Caller Trevor (00:35:30):
But haven't started the show yet. And I was looking, I just posted on the SBS storage on my server at like five, 4 cents a gigabyte. Cause I have 10 terabytes of that way.

Leo Laporte (00:35:48):
That's fine. And if you stay small, that's fine. But that's what we learned in the earliest days of twit where we did the same thing and it got expensive fast. If you're suddenly successful, that could be expensive. But I think for now, that's probably a great way to start. And then, because it's easy to move the feed Right. That's true to another location. That's not a hard thing. Yeah.

Caller Trevor (00:36:06):
That's the last part I work is figure out where I'm, where host the feed.

Leo Laporte (00:36:10):
Right. well, I would say you could continue to host it where you're hosting it.

Caller Trevor (00:36:15):
I haven't started yet.

Leo Laporte (00:36:16):
Okay. But generally, when people, and I've told you this before, when I, when people say I wanna start a podcast, I used to say Anchor fm, which is now part of Spotify, still an, an easy, inexpensive, free place to do a podcast. Well, I

Caller Trevor (00:36:30):
Already have a web server, so I just for the files on the web server, the

Leo Laporte (00:36:33):
Problem. No, it's fine to do that. But, but the problem is that you will find, if you start growing, it's fine if you have a hundred listeners or even a thousand listeners. But as soon as you, but remember

Caller Trevor (00:36:42):
I have 10, I have 10 terabytes of monthly bandwidth on that server.

Leo Laporte (00:36:47):
That's bandwidth do. But af But you said after a few gigabytes they start charging you or no, no. Oh, 10 terabytes is quite a bit. I, I,

Caller Trevor (00:36:57):
I pay, I can store the files on an sbs.

Leo Laporte (00:37:01):
I see. That's storage. I get and see Yeah, there's bandwidth and storage. Storage about, yeah.

Caller Trevor (00:37:06):
I think it's sat at about 0.06 cents a gigabyte. Yeah. Or is 4 cents a gigabyte?

Leo Laporte (00:37:15):
That's for storage, not not for bandwidth. Right.

Caller Trevor (00:37:18):
Yeah. Okay. So that's not that, that's not a big deal.

Leo Laporte (00:37:21):
Sounds like you're good. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:37:22):
Did you have a question?

Caller Trevor (00:37:23):
Yeah, yeah. What I'm thinking of doing right now, cause my depression is so bad and my disabilities and all that is, well, how can I open up my line? Just be, just to talk.

Leo Laporte (00:37:37):
Oh, I love that idea.

Caller Trevor (00:37:38):
Like, I have 800 number now.

Leo Laporte (00:37:39):
Yeah. We've talked about this before, Trevor.

Caller Trevor (00:37:42):
No, no, no, no. But I talking about like, just opening it up just so I can Well,

Leo Laporte (00:37:45):
How do you let people know that you're doing it? Yeah. I don't. Yeah.

Caller Trevor (00:37:49):
Cause that's, is this, this chat? It's not, it's not recording. It's not public. It's

Leo Laporte (00:37:53):
Just I love that. Well, and you know, you've, you've, you've seen people do that on our shows. Like yeah, like Owen JJ Stone just puts his phone number up there and stuff. I think that's more for texting. How would you public, that's a good question. How would you, if it were you, how would you publicize? Like I want people to call and talk.

Mikah Sargent (00:38:13):
I think that's, that's just a matter of putting it on different social

Leo Laporte (00:38:17):
Medias services forum. Yeah. Go to Reddit and Twitter and different forums and say, Hey, I'm Trevor. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> I suffer from depression. You're, you're treat you're getting treatment for that. Right Trevor? And you have, you're on medication for that. Nope. Why not? Nope.

Leo Laporte (00:38:32):
It's, it's treatable facts. It's, yeah. I'm sorry about that. But it is treatable. I thought you were living, I thought you were living in a, in a home.

Caller Trevor (00:38:42):
Yeah. And I don't qualify for mental health hours. I don't qualify this. Oh, I don't qualify for that.

Leo Laporte (00:38:47):
Like, it's a shame in this country. We don't do a better job of that. I

Caller Trevor (00:38:51):
No, that's in Canada.

Leo Laporte (00:38:52):
Oh, you're in Canada. God, I thought they did a good job there. Yeah. Let me talk to Canada. No, I'm disappointed Canada on the phone. Let's call that Justin Trudeau and get him on the horn. And that's too bad Trevor. I'm sorry. You're falling through the cracks cuz it, depression is treatable and you really should take it seriously. Well

Caller Trevor (00:39:07):
That's only one of my disabilities I have. I know, I know. I'm legally blind. I'm evenly impaired. Yeah. Which then complicates everything else. Cause I also have mild cerebral palsy. I have autism, I'm autistic, I have Asperger's syndrome, morbidly obese and deep depression.

Leo Laporte (00:39:26):
Oh man, you got a whole, you gotta tell a bad hand, didn't you Trevor? But you know what's amazing? You're calling us mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, you're trying to do something.

Caller Trevor (00:39:35):
Well I thought maybe if I could give you a nu audience, the number they might have people who are just likely,

Leo Laporte (00:39:42):
I worry, I worry that you'd be harassed. I mean, you're, I'm willing for you to do that. But remember, you know, not everybody in the world is nice. I know. Call

Caller Trevor (00:39:49):
Block. Remember that RingCentral does have call block on it.

Leo Laporte (00:39:52):
Yeah. Yeah. But that's, that is a

Caller Trevor (00:39:54):
Good feature.

Leo Laporte (00:39:54):
Yeah. But it's not necessarily perfect because people change. Okay,

Caller Trevor (00:39:59):
Now you got my attention.

Leo Laporte (00:40:00):
Give, give out. Well, because spoof people spoof their numbers. You can give, I don't mind if you give it out. Yeah, fine. It's just warning you that. But just be prepared because some of the calls may not be wholesome. Some of them may, many of them probably will be. There's a very caring group of people listening. So what, what, just be aware that it's a, you know, just hang up on somebody if they're rude. Okay? Mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. Don't let em,

Caller Trevor (00:40:23):
Don't

Leo Laporte (00:40:23):
Let em get to you.

Caller Trevor (00:40:26):
Security ideas. Cause I can't get into getting the, I don't know, I talk about trying to get the thing for getting it on the air with that.

Leo Laporte (00:40:34):
Yeah. It gets complicated. But I think if you just talk to people, I think that's great. And I bet you people would love to talk. Yeah.

Caller Trevor (00:40:39):
It's, I'm feeling down. Yeah. And then my longer term goal right now, or I could do this as soon as possible. It's to start these meetings every day for just checking in and talking to a human. I agree. So that you can

Leo Laporte (00:40:53):
Absolutely. I agree. You

Caller Trevor (00:40:54):
Could just be, ah,

Leo Laporte (00:40:55):
You should

Caller Trevor (00:40:56):
Now for

Leo Laporte (00:40:56):
The day, you, you should pursue this because I think that given that you're not getting the treatment you deserve, you could at least do something for yourself. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. That would make better.

Caller Trevor (00:41:05):
Better. Another 16,000. Two 50 a year. $200 a year. Yeah. Net, net, net. So I'm thinking may charge five a month or something like that for the thing where you can come in is I can have up to a room of 200 people.

Leo Laporte (00:41:20):
Trevor, I'm, we have to run cause I got rock rob coming up. Okay. Sorry. Apologies. But I would love talking to you and I want to encourage you, I think it's really important that you continue to pursue this. That there are caring people out there. Do you wanna give out the phone number or not? Sure, go ahead.

Caller Trevor (00:41:38):
Eight, seven. Seven three. One one. Four. Four. Eight. Eight. And I do have the ability to kill the line.

Leo Laporte (00:41:49):
Two. That's nice. Three. One one. Four. Four. Eight. Eight. And it's toll free 8 77. That's great. Thank you Central.

Caller Trevor (00:41:55):
What happened to meet your, what happened to your 88 number by the way?

Caller Trevor (00:42:00):
88. Ask

Leo Laporte (00:42:01):
Leo. They, they just discontinued it, but we have a new one, which isn't as fun <laugh>, but it is toll free. (888) 724-2884. So you can call that number too. Wait, so who's

Caller Trevor (00:42:12):
Gonna, who's gonna take over the old line? One, they're gonna be be getting all these weird,

Leo Laporte (00:42:14):
You want it? You can have it. <Laugh>, <laugh>. We, I think we just stopped paying for it. I don't think

Mikah Sargent (00:42:20):
Probably went back out into the world.

Leo Laporte (00:42:22):
Yeah. Because you know, you doesn't have to. That

Caller Trevor (00:42:23):
Be interesting.

Leo Laporte (00:42:24):
Yeah, that's a good question. I wonder now I'm

Caller Trevor (00:42:26):
Ss why don't call it selling it.

Leo Laporte (00:42:27):
Call it and let me know what happens. So

Mikah Sargent (00:42:29):
Curious

Leo Laporte (00:42:29):
Happens. I think you'll probably get a busy thing.

Mikah Sargent (00:42:30):
It's funny we didn't try it. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:42:31):
Hey Trevor, a pleasure talking to you. Good to

Mikah Sargent (00:42:33):
Talk to you.

Leo Laporte (00:42:34):
You hang in there dude. Love you. You're gonna be fine. Okay. Just hang in there. Okay.

Caller Trevor (00:42:41):
Hope I get the calls.

Leo Laporte (00:42:42):
Get call Trevor and see later. Bye. Yeah. Thank you Trevor. I'll be bye-bye. S bye. Yeah, I've talked to Trevor for many years on Ask the tech guy. He's been trying to set up a podcast and stuff and

Mikah Sargent (00:42:53):
I think I remember calling before about doing a call in kind of show. So

Leo Laporte (00:42:58):
Yeah, I think just the idea of, of talking to people. Uhhuh <affirmative> not a bad idea. I agree. Man, I feel for him. I, I don't know what we could do to help. But do you have a voicemail we can handle real quickly before, cuz Rod's just minutes off?

Mikah Sargent (00:43:15):
Yeah, we got a thumbs up voicemail coming in. And if you wanna leave a voicemail, it's 8 8 8 7 2 4 2 8 8 4 during the week outside of our hours for the show.

Leo Laporte (00:43:25):
Oh. And Happy Father's Day. Oh yeah. Happy father. How children do

Mikah Sargent (00:43:28):
You have? Do you have I I have no children. Okay. Because I read that poem.

Leo Laporte (00:43:32):
Yes, do not. And I have two.

Mikah Sargent (00:43:35):
Yes. Happy Father's Day to

Leo Laporte (00:43:36):
You. Yeah. And I just got a message from my son. My daughter sent me a lovely message. So texting is really better than a card and a lot better than a tie.

Mikah Sargent (00:43:45):
I don't dunno if it's better than a card, but certainly better than a tie. <Laugh>. I

Leo Laporte (00:43:48):
Don't know a card. I don't know a card. This is, in some ways it feels more personal, right? Oh really?

Mikah Sargent (00:43:53):
Yeah. I feel like if it's handwritten, if you add to the card that

Leo Laporte (00:43:56):
Makes, he says, happy Father's Day Pops. I like that.

Mikah Sargent (00:43:59):
Pops. That's

Leo Laporte (00:44:00):
Good. Would've never made it this far without you. And I appreciate that every day. Love you dad. Aw. Aw, that's nice. Called you, but I think you might be doing Disneyland. Nope, that's Tuesday. Oh, it's coming up. I'm working. Damn. Why? The one thing my kids never really figured out is that I work every Sunday for the last 25

Mikah Sargent (00:44:19):
Years. Okay. I have that issue too now with my kids, but with people that I know very well. Like my schedule never changes <laugh>. And yet you never know. Every

Leo Laporte (00:44:26):
Sunday I

Mikah Sargent (00:44:27):
Work. You always calling whenever. Yeah. Every Sunday. You have always

Leo Laporte (00:44:29):
Works. Always works. Sunday. Yeah. All right. Let's hear that voicemail.

Caller John (00:44:33):
Hey Leo. Hey Micah. Name is John, last name. Our city is NYC John nyc. The question is, I get the error messages from Apple of the machine shutting down automatically allows me to send a report in, but it's gibberish that I'm trying to understand it. <Laugh>, it's gibberish. Is there another application that can actually decipher it and make it into something that I can understand what's causing the crash of the computer? I think I figured it out, but I rather see what the technical specs are. I asked Apple to send me to tell me what's going on and I get crickets. Okay. Have a good day. Bye-Bye.

Leo Laporte (00:45:12):
Thanks John. Yeah. John and nyc this is a perennial question cuz for some reason both Apple and Microsoft give you when there's a hard crash, all this information that's useless mm-hmm.

Mikah Sargent (00:45:23):
<Affirmative>

Leo Laporte (00:45:24):
You can't do nothing with. And, and people think, well, gosh, if they're telling me this, I should be able to do something with it.

Mikah Sargent (00:45:31):
Yeah. Unfortunately that information is for people who have developers, the knowledge of developers, what's going on there. Yeah. That's causing the crash. Yeah. I think that, so there a, a few few that you can do, John to kind of test things out to what's going on. One is to launch into recovery mode, which you do by on modern. There, there are a few different ways. So we're gonna link in the show notes, but essentially you can launch in recovery mode and get some help there. It can kind of look at your system, but there's also a diagnostic modes diagnostic mode. And a lot of people don't know about this. The diagnostic mode gives you some information that you might be able to actually decide. I

Leo Laporte (00:46:10):
Don't, I'm gonna, there's nothing wrong with my beautiful new MacBook, but let me get into that. How do

Mikah Sargent (00:46:14):
I do that? Yeah. So on an Apple, silicon Mac, it's different. For an Intel Mac, you press and hold the power button on your Mac and

Leo Laporte (00:46:20):
As you shut it down first. Yes.

Mikah Sargent (00:46:22):
Yes. So make sure, sure

Leo Laporte (00:46:23):
It shut down. But if you've already crashed, I guess you don't if

Mikah Sargent (00:46:24):
You've already crashed and shut down <laugh>. Yeah. and then as you continue to hold the power button, your Mac turns on and loads startup options. Yeah. When you see options, you're going to release the power button, Uhhuh, and then you're going to press and hold command D on your keyboard.

Leo Laporte (00:46:39):
Okay.

Mikah Sargent (00:46:40):
So essentially press command D, command D for

Leo Laporte (00:46:43):
Diagnostics. Diagnos. Yes. Okay.

Mikah Sargent (00:46:46):
So you wait for the startup to happen. You wait for those options to appear and then let that go. And then hit command D.

Leo Laporte (00:46:52):
So that's different. It used to be you'd press command option R or command R on reboot. Yeah, you

Mikah Sargent (00:47:02):
Do it on

Leo Laporte (00:47:02):
Reboot. That was in the intel max. But now you just press, I'm gonna do it right now. Cause I sh I shut it down finally. Oops, oops, oops. <Laugh>. It's coming back on. Let me stop it again. Lemme shut it down. Don't, don't turn on. If you press and hold the power button long enough, it turns itself off. Yes. Now I'm gonna press and not let go. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:47:20):
Keep holding it until you see options.

Leo Laporte (00:47:21):
Press and not let go until I see options. Oh, I hear the dong. It says continue holding for startup options. You don't have an over shoulder shot of issues with the routing. It's not the R.

Mikah Sargent (00:47:32):
And then as soon as those options appear, you can release the power button

Leo Laporte (00:47:36):
Voting startup options. Can I release it now?

Mikah Sargent (00:47:38):
It says when you see the options. When

Leo Laporte (00:47:39):
You see the options. So not yet. Oh, oh, oh,

Mikah Sargent (00:47:43):
Oh. Now you can let it go. Now I

Leo Laporte (00:47:44):
Can let it go.

Mikah Sargent (00:47:45):
And then hold down. Command D.

Leo Laporte (00:47:47):
Command D

Mikah Sargent (00:47:48):
Now. Yeah. Press and hold. Command D,

Leo Laporte (00:47:50):
Command D now. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:47:51):
Now that

Leo Laporte (00:47:52):
What it says, continue holding to start diagnostics. Oh, it's

Mikah Sargent (00:47:55):
Working. It

Leo Laporte (00:47:56):
Worked. <Laugh>. Look at that. So now it's going into some sort of weird

Mikah Sargent (00:48:00):
Special test mode where it'll actually run a diagnostics test on your Mac. And at the end of the diagnostics test, it's going to show you some reference codes instead of that long line of everything that happened on the

Leo Laporte (00:48:15):
System. Well, look, it asks first what language I want it to be in.

Mikah Sargent (00:48:18):
Probably Spanish.

Leo Laporte (00:48:19):
Very Yes. Verifying network. Downloading initializing. So you have to be on a wifi network. If you are not, it won't. So run diagnostics. Okay, let me read you. In order to investigate your issue, apple needs information from your system, such as device identifiers, hardware and software specifications and usage information. Right. Even as a barcode of the serial number. Oh, wow. Look at that. By selecting I agree. Or pressing the return key. You acknowledge that Apple can col Oh, this is just, so if you don't opt on Apple to collect this information, run diagnostics offline. Oh, you could do that too. Now. you're gonna get stuff that you still can't use.

Mikah Sargent (00:48:58):
Well, but it, it will show it in plain language as opposed to it being the, just the the random. Okay.

Leo Laporte (00:49:04):
You know, this is new. I don't remember ever doing this before. This

Mikah Sargent (00:49:07):
Is nice. So yeah, this was, I learned this back whenever my MacBook Pro stopped working. I took it to the Apple store and we got a new one and I had all these issues with it. And that's when I learned about diagnostics mode. Right. And was able to find out what was going on. So it's

Leo Laporte (00:49:22):
Checking my Mac right now.

Mikah Sargent (00:49:24):
Yes. So it's gonna go through this whole process

Leo Laporte (00:49:25):
Of this probably takes a

Mikah Sargent (00:49:26):
While. This is something that they will actually do at the Apple store. So you can do this even before you have to go there. Oh. To, to test it yourself. So

Leo Laporte (00:49:34):
Joely, if you're getting those hard reboots like that, that usually means not software, but hardware. Right. It's probably not a bad idea. And Apple will make you do this at some point to reinstall the operating system. Just to see if it's some software. But it's almost certainly not. It means there's something physically wrong with your machine. And usually that means a trip to the Apple store for repairs. There may be an issue with the PowerPoint. What?

Mikah Sargent (00:50:00):
Wait, you're getting

Leo Laporte (00:50:00):
That? Yes. Reference code. P p P 0 0 1.

Mikah Sargent (00:50:06):
Oh.

Leo Laporte (00:50:07):
To learn more about the <laugh>. This is brand new. There better not be an issue with a pa. Okay. Apple diagnosis. P p P 0 0 1. Now they're giving you all the pp. There may be an issue with the power adapter. Make sure you're using the correct power adapter. Oh, well I'm not. I'm not plugged in at all. Maybe that's why if this disconnect the power adapter from the cue to peer while I then reconnect, then run the test. Oh, you're supposed to be plugged in when you're running the

Mikah Sargent (00:50:32):
Test. That's

Leo Laporte (00:50:33):
Okay. So if this code appears, again, further troubleshooting may be required. Contact Apple or take your computer to an A A S P authorized Apple authorized service professional or Apple Store to learn which services and support options are available.

Mikah Sargent (00:50:48):
So yes, they think that you're not getting any power and that's fine. Which is right. Yeah. Cuz you're not getting any power <laugh>. Yeah. <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:50:54):
Good job Apple.

Mikah Sargent (00:50:55):
Yay. The diagnostics

Leo Laporte (00:50:56):
Test work. So it does, it gives you information. You actually have a kind of a mini operating system installed cuz I'm running safari.

Mikah Sargent (00:51:03):
Yeah. As opposed to it being a you know, the, the engine code that you have no idea what it means. And you have to take it to a, you can at least kind of translate that in theory into something that you can, that becomes more actionable

Leo Laporte (00:51:15):
For That's a nice feature I have to say. But in to be more general, those blue screens of death on Windows or kernel panics on Mac there, that information you get is not of much use. Right. Even for a technician, it's usually not usable. But they don't want to just say, well, something's wrong. Yeah. Take it in

Mikah Sargent (00:51:36):
Good luck. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:51:37):
But it usually means there's a hardware issue. And, and on most Apple devices, there's no user serviceable parts inside. You can't just fix it. So I would say you probably a trip to the Apple store has indicated if it's a new machine it'll be under warranty. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. That's good news. And of late after I spilled coffee in my MacBook Pro, some about eight months ago mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, I've been buying AppleCare for <laugh>

Mikah Sargent (00:52:02):
I've been buying Yeah. Not a bad idea. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:52:04):
It's expensive. It's a few hundred bucks for this thing. But I just figure

Mikah Sargent (00:52:09):
Less expensive than I've

Leo Laporte (00:52:11):
Learned my lesson

Mikah Sargent (00:52:12):
Replacing the whole insides. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:52:14):
Hey, it's time for the Space Force seam space. Rod Pyle, our space guy is here. He is the host of this week's space with Te Mallek. And he is not in space this week. He is in the beautiful San Diego Harbor. Hey Rod. Oh no, sorry. It's Long Beach. I see. That's Long Beach. I see the Queen Mary behind you. Look at that. Yes. What a few. How about Christina? Huh? Yeah. Not bad. How are you? Also, he's also the editor in chief of Ved Astra Magazine, the National Space Society's official publication. The author of many wonderful books including First on the Moon, which I really love. On the 50th anniversary of Apollo we're great. What's going on in space? Well, there was an interesting study that came out. You know how I love to quote studies, and this will resonate with you because it's about Apollo 11. A group looked at the quarantine procedures for the Apollo 11 astronauts that also applied to Apollo 12 and I think 14. So when the astronauts came home for those missions, they were carrying hundreds of pounds of moon rocks. And there had been some concern based on a 1965 research project

Rod Pyle (00:53:24):
That was done that they might be carrying dangerous germs. So, although nobody really believed that in the community, they said, we gotta set up quarantine procedures. So if you remember when the Apollo 11 astronauts came hurdling back into the ocean and their command module, when the frogmen swam out, as they called them at the time, and their little raft to pick up the astronauts from the capsule, they opened the catch, threw some bio quarantine suits in, sprayed the edges of the hatch down with some disinfectant. Then those poor astronauts got in those suits, had to wear them until they got onto the aircraft carrier. And then they were stuck in a, in an airstream modified <laugh>. Her hermetically sealed Airstream trailer, but it was sealed. I

Leo Laporte (00:54:07):
Remember them talking to President Nixon through the window Yes. Of the Airstream. Yes. Kind of crowded into the

Rod Pyle (00:54:13):
Wives and everything.

Leo Laporte (00:54:16):
How long were they toed for?

Rod Pyle (00:54:18):
So they transferred them from that trailer to a facility at Johnson Space Center. So a total of 21 days. However, while it was thought to be unnecessary in, in, by the general scientific community, the astronauts did say later, you know, it was a really much needed break. After the mission of immediately afterwards, they took a tape be set by the press. Yeah. And they had to do a month long worldwide tour. Yeah. They had to take, however, if you remember, and I remember thinking of this when I saw this mission as a kid, you and I were the same age. The second they opened that hatch, quarantine was broken. Right, right. Because the atmosphere of the module or the command modules coming out, had it been something that could have interacted with and survived in the earth's oceans, we would've been in trouble. So, and and also something I didn't know till this study came out was that 20 total of 24 other people, NASA employees and technicians were also exposed. So they were quarantined as well. Well, so

Leo Laporte (00:55:12):
It was quarantined theater is what you're saying.

Rod Pyle (00:55:15):
That's exactly what they called it in the article. <Laugh>. And,

Leo Laporte (00:55:19):
But

Rod Pyle (00:55:19):
I understand way

Leo Laporte (00:55:20):
Because we wouldn't, if there were something that could survive the harsh lunar environment, it could be dangerous to us. So I understand why they wanted to be extra cautious. They didn't do quite as good a job. They should have had a tunnel. They should have sealed the capsule hatch. Yes. Had a tunnel going from the capsule hatch into some other sealed quarantine environment. Yeah. But they didn't.

Rod Pyle (00:55:42):
But worse than that, what the study also said is, you know, the, the quarantine facility itself, the lunar receiving lab, while tens of millions of dollars were spent developing it, it was woefully inadequate to the task. It was not like the bio bio quarantine facilities we have today. So that wasn't very good either. So while it did serve for quarantine theater, as you call it, it was not quite up the task. It certainly wasn't the Andromeda strain. And interestingly, since all this took place, in more recent times, we've discovered new forms of life called Extremophiles. We've talked out about that before. They lived down by hot vents on the ocean. They can live under the surface of rocks in Antarctica. They actually digest the chemicals that come through the surface of the rock. So there are plenty of things that are thought to be able to survive in harsh environments. And indeed, some new work says there may well be microbial life on the moon. And the moon aside, you know, we're bringing back samples now from asteroids. We'll soon be bringing back samples from Mars. So this becomes increasingly important of a larger concern. So it's a very timely thing. This came out

Leo Laporte (00:56:51):
Jeopardy question for you, <laugh>. Okay. What US government agency did the astronauts have to submit to upon their return to earth?

Rod Pyle (00:57:02):
They had to submit forms for reentry in the United States with what agency would

Leo Laporte (00:57:09):
That customs be? Custom? Yeah. Customs custom.

Rod Pyle (00:57:10):
Yes. Custom forms.

Leo Laporte (00:57:11):
Customs. They had to go through customs. Wow. They

Rod Pyle (00:57:14):
Had to state what they were carrying on their persons <laugh>, which was you

Leo Laporte (00:57:18):
Have more than $10,000 <laugh>

Rod Pyle (00:57:21):
Pound 810 pounds of moon rocks rock, which is rock. We brought rocks, which something hard to qual quantify. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:57:26):
Outstanding

Mikah Sargent (00:57:27):
Bureaucracy

Leo Laporte (00:57:28):
Beats all that. So, so

Rod Pyle (00:57:29):
Government, isn't it? Yeah. <laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:57:32):
Quarantine theater. And you gotta go through customs <laugh>. So Wow. Yeah, I remember my dad, who's a geologist oh, that's

Rod Pyle (00:57:40):
Right. Yeah. He was a professor.

Leo Laporte (00:57:42):
Right. Knew a professor who worked on the team that analyzed those moon rocks. And I remember seeing one of the moon rock samples, very tiny sample enclosed in plexiglass when I was a kid. Which,

Rod Pyle (00:57:53):
And you still have it at home, right?

Leo Laporte (00:57:55):
Yeah. I stole it. No, I didn't. But cuz no, it was very, no, he didn't, it was very pr No, I didn't <laugh>. It was very well protected in case

Rod Pyle (00:58:01):
Anybody's listening. Yeah. No, he didn't. But

Leo Laporte (00:58:03):
They were still nervous about it containing anything. Dangerous. Yeah. You know, and, and so, yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. Was

Mikah Sargent (00:58:10):
There concern about radiation rather than germs?

Leo Laporte (00:58:12):
Well, that they could detect right away.

Rod Pyle (00:58:14):
No, it was germs. The radiation is, is more a problem while you're out there. Yeah. Radiation levels are actually pretty low. Yeah. But story,

Leo Laporte (00:58:21):
I

Mikah Sargent (00:58:21):
Realize I've asked a stupid question, <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:58:24):
No, not at all. Radiation. Have you ever ever heard of a Geiger counter <laugh>?

Mikah Sargent (00:58:28):
I, but I mean, what about radiation? We didn't know about, you know, a kind we didn't

Leo Laporte (00:58:32):
Know about?

Rod Pyle (00:58:32):
Well, that's the problem. But Leo, I have just for you, I have another story that I know you'll love. Okay. Cause it's about UFOs.

Leo Laporte (00:58:38):
Yay. Yes. By the way, are you now? Yes. There is a whistleblower who who says, yes, the government has parts of these vehicles and some alien bodies stored away at Area 51.

Rod Pyle (00:58:55):
That's news, huh?

Leo Laporte (00:58:58):
Yeah. Yeah. So, well, and actually the New York Times had an interesting opinion piece, which said, I, we think the government wants us to think there's aliens, right? Because what? They're really

Rod Pyle (00:59:07):
Hiding. So they think it's misdirection, right? Yes.

Leo Laporte (00:59:10):
What are they really hiding?

Rod Pyle (00:59:12):
They're what I read was that they are, what they are allegedly really hiding is the threat from foreign actors. Yeah. And super secret, which may, may, well airplanes and some things be something because we, we've talked about that before. You know, if you wanna see what a Pacific Battle Group is gonna do, if they're attacked, what do you do? You spoof 'em with something. So it could be a radio signal, it could be drones, it could be a lot of things. And you ping that at them, and then you see how they respond and how they fire up all their radars and the ships and the planes, and how they scramble jets and all that. That's very valuable to know if you are, oh, I don't know, China or Russia, maybe to see how we would respond to an attack. So that may well be the, the root of a lot of this, which is one reason why there's kind of all these security concerns, rather.

(00:59:57):
I, I'm sorry, I interrupted your, your story about No, that's okay. Well, so it's similar. So last year NASA set up this study. First time NASA's ever looked at UFOs in a quantitative fashion. They've always kind of said, eh, we, we don't see it. So last year they set up a study, a hundred thousand dollars, not a lot of funding. 16 people on a panel very well qualified number of astrophysicists people from Princeton and Harvard homeless security officials, NASA policy wonk, sinus science journalists, legal experts, planetary scientists, on and on to look at the issue, but only to look at declassified data so they can be completely transparent about it. And they weren't, this wasn't Project Blue Book again. They weren't looking to try and figure out what these things were, what they were doing was looking at it, say, okay, how can we study this better?

(01:00:46):
So it's not this long series of almost ad hoc studies, which is what the Department of Defense has been doing for, oh gosh, 60, 70 years now. And their primary finding was the data's not good enough. Yeah. To withstand se serious scrutiny. Because you want two or three sources, at least for each observation. And you want good at calibrated instrumentation. And it's usually a, a jet aircraft radar or a ship radar or something. But at most they found most of these had two sources, say a, a jet and, and a ship. And you really need to be able to correlate optical and radar and spectral data and so forth to be able to try and figure out what these things are. And there's still a number of them that are unexplained, but it's a problem. One other problem they identified very early on was the second they announced the study, the people on it started being harassed by the public and possibly in some cases by a few peers.

(01:01:43):
What, for doing this work? So there's still this stigma, which is kind of ironic cuz the public is screaming, we wanna know what we want to know. And yet there's the stigma from other members of the public saying, you shouldn't be doing this. It's a waste of money. What are you? Crazy. So that's part of the problem. And, and it it goes on. So the ultimate conclusion was we need better data. And I think very intelligently, cuz this is a question I've had for years. They said, you know, there's billions of instruments out there called cell phones smartphones, where you can take great pictures, you can take great video audio recordings. You could even record, I guess magnetic fields from some of the, from the more robust smartphones out there. And so if you could calibrate those properly and get that data, that could be really valuable. So this is citizen science we're talking now. So they're developing apps with a couple of small app developers to be able to send to people so that all of us can be part of this data collection group. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:02:43):
UFO reporter for iOS <laugh>. It's true though that the number of reports has been skyrocketing of late. Yeah. probably because everybody's got a camera in their pocket and there's a lot of videos of strange phenomenon. There isn't. Well, and you were talking about Roswell. I think you're talking about Tim Burette, who's the Congress member from Tennessee, who says, I 100% believe the government is covering up since 1947 in, in area 51 Roswell. The military said, we've recovered a saucer <laugh>. And then the next day they dropped the poor officer out and he claimed he holds up a piece of hot, I can't read this, I don't know the fraction sometimes. And he claimed he holds up a piece of a hot air balloon, says, no, it was a hot air balloon. And I don't bel I don't believe it. <Laugh>. So here's a, there's a, you would know this, you probably studied this in school, logical fallacies.

(01:03:43):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, it's hard to prove a negative. Right. Virtually impossible. You could prove a positive. Like, yeah, we found something and it's a hot air balloon, or it's a flying saucer. But it's really hard to prove No, we, we didn't find any flying saucers. <Laugh>. It's very hard to prove. And that's why I think probably some people are complaining about this commission. It's like, what do you expect the result to be? Unless you think it's gonna be, they say, well, you know what, we do have alien bodies down there in Roswell, and, and we found them. Ta ta-da. My theory is if there was, if there was anything mm-hmm. <Affirmative> Yeah. Donald Trump would've announced it. That's is true. You, you, he even said, I'm gonna look. Well, you think he was stopped?

Rod Pyle (01:04:31):
No, because who would care? And imagine the funding that NASA would get if something

Leo Laporte (01:04:38):
Says Right. He would love to announce this. He would've imagined to announce this, how much he would've loved

Rod Pyle (01:04:42):
To have been the guy. Right. I am the guy. I am

Leo Laporte (01:04:45):
Gonna tell you that keeping a secret all this time. I'm the guy that

Rod Pyle (01:04:48):
Blew this

Leo Laporte (01:04:48):
Open now maybe. And in the

Rod Pyle (01:04:49):
Midst of all this, a new hoax comes out. Right. So we're, we're trying to get through this, this morass of data and hoaxing from the past. And in the middle of this on, I think it was TikTok, this report comes so well that

Leo Laporte (01:05:03):
Means of family. Yeah. Doesn't

Rod Pyle (01:05:05):
It? Yeah. So well talk about, you know, Chinese perpetrators. So, so a, a family member called in, I think it was in rural Washington, saying, Hey, there's aliens in my garden. So the cops come out, other people come out, and then this video gets posted on TikTok of this really creepy looking 10 foot alien crawling around in somebody's backyard. <Laugh>, I sent, I sent it to, to John earlier. I dunno if you've got it or not. There it is. It's a cool looking video. But it was done in blender and it was, you know, clearly identifiable as, as a visual effect.

Leo Laporte (01:05:37):
Fake. Yeah.

Rod Pyle (01:05:38):
Right. But this isn't helpful, you know,

Leo Laporte (01:05:41):
Et full home.

Rod Pyle (01:05:43):
If if people would just kind of get with the program, we might actually figure something out. But as, as Leonard David, who we had on the this Week of Space podcast on Friday, said, you know, do we really, going back to the Roswell crash, I love this

Leo Laporte (01:05:55):
Quote. Really think this is a great quote.

Rod Pyle (01:05:57):
Go ahead. That these aliens, you know, cross 80 or a hundred light years of space of these massive high tech star ships, and then forget to put the brakes on and crash into our <laugh>. They're trying to

Leo Laporte (01:06:06):
Serious. They are, they are traversing vast amounts of space in probably faster than light vehicles. But somehow they can't navigate <laugh> the atmosphere on earth. Those last

Rod Pyle (01:06:18):
Few feet, those are the ones

Leo Laporte (01:06:19):
Of always

Rod Pyle (01:06:20):
Ner, right? <Laugh>. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:06:22):
You know, on

Mikah Sargent (01:06:23):
Of that they most crashes happen close to home. So Yeah. Call close to your

Leo Laporte (01:06:26):
Destination. That's right. That's right. So

Rod Pyle (01:06:28):
Don't forget your seatbelts and how many people do they have to abduct to figure out where our food goes when we're done with it? I mean, this is not difficult stuff to understand,

Leo Laporte (01:06:37):
But, but Rod, I've asked you Yes. You believe in, you believe in this, you believe that there are aliens. No,

Rod Pyle (01:06:42):
No, no. I don't. I believe that there's a high likelihood there are other life forms out there in the universe. Right. There's some people that still push back on that. By the way one of our guests has a kind of famous n equals one talk that he does about the Drake equation. But no, I, given what we're finding, I mean, recently they just announced that they were looking at some old Cassini data from I think 2009 that was the Saturn orbiter, and found that there are these huge levels of phosphates in the, in the waters under the ice cover in on Ellis, the moon of Saturn that completes that chain of habitability requirements that they had. So includes carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, sulfur, oxygen, and now phosphates. They're saying they're 500 to a thousand times, which you find in earth oceans. And they got this from the plumes that come off that moon spread out into what's called the earring about Saturn. So, you know, they're not saying there's life there, but they're saying there's everything needed to support life there. So do ocean. They call it kinda like Mono Lake and Northern California. So, you know, even just within our own solar system, we know there's at least now CELs, Mars and Europa that probably could support life. So, you know, it's, it's not a stretch to say that they do now that's probably microbial. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:08:00):
Yeah. It ain't, it ain't martians, it ain't <laugh> 10 foot tall orange people with a single eye in

Rod Pyle (01:08:08):
Forehead, you know? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:08:09):
Yeah. My favorite Martian. Yeah, we love these stories. We really love these stories. They're fun just like, you know, fairies and, and knight and shining armor, <laugh>, they're fun. But so far no evidence. You know, the three body problem is coming to Netflix soon. They just released the first trailer today. Yeah. I

Rod Pyle (01:08:28):
Haven't, I haven't seen anything on that. Have you?

Leo Laporte (01:08:31):
I saw the trailer this morning. It looks pretty good.

Rod Pyle (01:08:33):
What did you think?

Leo Laporte (01:08:34):
Yeah, I read the book the first of the three. I didn't get to the rest. The whole premise of this is we con that we find out there are aliens and we contact them mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and th and was that a good idea? <Laugh> <laugh>. Right. and I won't say the rest, but it's an interesting, and of course a lot of science fiction is dedicated to what they call first contact, the first contact of alien species and stuff. And it's a fascinating, it's a really fascinating subject. And, you know, I think part of it is we don't really like the idea that we might be here alone.

Mikah Sargent (01:09:08):
That, and there's the theory that essentially every time a a human or I mean an alien race gets to the point where they could create faster than light

Leo Laporte (01:09:20):
Travel. They do what we've

Mikah Sargent (01:09:21):
Just done. They always end up killing themselves before they

Leo Laporte (01:09:23):
Break

Rod Pyle (01:09:23):
Down filter. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:09:25):
Oh golly. Yeah. And

Rod Pyle (01:09:26):
We're, and we're at a comparatively young part of the galaxy. Yeah. And we're not one of the oldest galaxies. Yeah. So when you think of it that way, we could be, you know, amongst the last survivors hanging on and we gotta start over. It's, it's a but of course there's always new stars being born, so it's not like there wouldn't be others to follow us. But yeah, I've always found that kind of an instinct idea that, you know, when you reach a certain technological level,

Leo Laporte (01:09:48):
That's the end of it. It's great, it's great philosophical fodder. And I love the unequals one issue too. You know what, this is why you should watch this week in space because not only is there this kind of stuff, there's also a space race going on. And, and you know, it's fascinating as we get closer and closer to launching rockets, to send people to the moon Mars and beyond. To, to keep an eye on this, this week in space, twit TV slash TWIs, the wonderful Rod py from the national Space Society and author many great space books. Thank you sir. Hosts with tarek mallick of space.com. Your numbers are going up and up and up. More and more people. Hey, you're the only show on the twit network that is gaining audience. Congratulations, <laugh>. We're working on it.

Rod Pyle (01:10:32):
And Happy Father's Day if I didn't already say

Leo Laporte (01:10:34):
It. And same to you. Happy father's. Same to you.

Rod Pyle (01:10:36):
Thank you. I am a father.

Leo Laporte (01:10:38):
Yes. Yes. You're a a mother father. No, no, that's wrong. You're a father, father. I was. Thank you

Mikah Sargent (01:10:44):
Rod. Daughter, father, father, father.

Leo Laporte (01:10:46):
Thank you, sir. Thank you Rod pile. We always my

Rod Pyle (01:10:48):
Always great pleasure your show, by the way.

Leo Laporte (01:10:50):
I miss talking to you every week. I really, but every month we get Rod and that's, that's, I guess gonna have to do. Yeah. Yeah. It's great to talk to you, rod. Thanks. Thanks so much. Thanks.

Rod Pyle (01:10:58):
Thank you. Thanks. Take

Leo Laporte (01:10:58):
Care.

Rod Pyle (01:10:59):
Bye guys.

Leo Laporte (01:11:00):
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Caller Lisa (01:15:11):
Hey guys, this is Lisa from Austin, Texas. Hi, Lisa. Lisa. He's formerly from New York. Okay. I am calling to ask, Leo mentioned that he doesn't like Hibernate or Sleep or Fast Boot, but he didn't explain why this is on Windows System. I use Hibernate all the time and I wanna find out why is it bad? Thanks guys. Thank you <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:15:33):
Great. Questions a good question. I love it. <Laugh>. So if it's working for you, fine, go ahead and use it. The, the reason I have these issues with Hibernate Less so sleep a lot with Fast Boot is because I get used to get, and probably still will get calls from people who are using it, who have problems. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, the reason Hibernate, what is hibernate? Hibernate is a low power, non-power mode where the computer saves out everything in Ram to hard drive. So it takes up a, you know, as much hard drive as you have Ram nowadays that could be quite a bit right? Saves that all out and then turns off, it's off completely. And then when you come out of Hibernate, that's good because it's low power, right? It's not using any juice at all. When you come out of high hibernate, it reloads the contents of Ram from the hard drive and then jumps to where it was in hopes that everything's gonna work frequently.

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That is not successful. And then you got, you know, kind of a messed up computer and you're operating, but you're not operating well and all sorts of problems can occur. So I never use hibernate. Low power I think is sleep is fine. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and I use sleep on most of my machines, but you probably heard us, we had a caller who was having trouble with sleep. There's not a, sometimes, depending on your bios version, you might be having trouble with sleep. It's always a good idea if you're gonna use Hibernate or sleep. It's always a good idea to keep your bios up to date, check with the manufacturer periodically, make sure you've got the latest bias. Frequently there are fixes to sleep and hibernate of the two. Sleep is much better. I, I always recommend using sleep. In fact, I prefer sleep to turning the machine off.

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Those are your three choices, right? Hibernate, sleep or off when you're not using it. Actually, I should be clear on a couple of my machines. My Mac Studio for instance, I always keep it running cuz it's got servers running on it. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and I just have it turn off the screen. And I think that's a, the screen is using more power than anything else. Nowadays with solid state drives, Ram, those are the things you're using. Memory or power rather to refresh the memory and keep the solid state drives alive. It's a few watts. It's not terrible. So probably in many cases, simply turning off the screen and leaving the computer awake would be fine. But again, that's only if you have trouble. If you have trouble, if you don't have trouble and hibernate's working for you, Lisa, go ahead and keep using it now.

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<Laugh> Fast Boot, bad <laugh>, fast Boot. Bad idea. Microsoft should never have shipped Fast Boot. The idea behind Fast Boot is to save time. You know, remember Microsoft for a while was really getting hit a lot by boot times. People were complaining, it takes me a minute to set, get my machine up. So all of these are really responses to users saying it takes too long to get started. And fast Boot skipped some, I think important things <laugh> important processes to get up and running again faster, including writing out to the hard drive. So Fast Boot will much more likely get you in trouble. Certainly if you're gonna use Linux on a machine, you should disable Fast Boot. I think all Windows users should disable Fast Boot. That's, that's a, a strong feeling because Modern Machines Boot fast enough. Ssds have really solved that problem.

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Fast Boot is a solution to problem that no longer exists and it does it in a way that I think is unsafe and not ideal. If you want, we can go into more details about the Fast Boot process. Probably easiest thing to do is Google it and, and you'll see all the things that it does. And it's, and it's, it's, I think it was ill-advised when they did it mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and it's a source of a lot of problems. So my preference definitely turn off Fast Boot. Most people should turn off Hibernate. Sleep is generally fine unless you have problems with it. And if you do, then either turn off your machine. I understand most people don't want to or just turn off the screen when you're not using it. And that saves enough power for most people. Lisa, a great, a good question. Absolutely.

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Yeah. And if I were more prepared, I could go through all the things Fast Boot does. I don't want, I don't wanna do it off the top of my head. Yeah. But it it's not, it's not a good idea. You know what I'll ask Paul, what he does Yeah. Would be would be curious to hear that. Yeah. Fast, fast Startup. If you just Google it, you'll see articles like this <laugh>, this is for make use of what is Windows Fast Startup and why you should disable it. <Laugh>. And again, it's an answer to a question that Nobo, you know, is no longer really being being asked. You know, one of the things Microsoft does, it drives me crazy to make you think the machine has started very early in the Windows process. It'll throw up the, the desktop and the icons.

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But you may have noticed you can't do anything <laugh> because it's still starting. Apple has started doing this too, and it drives me crazy. That's frustrating. I will try, you know, most people don't turn off their machines, but I will turn off a machine like mine is off right now. Turn it on and that the desktop's up and the menus are there, the doc is there. I go, oh, I can do something. Nope, nope. I'm still starting stuff, still launching stuff. Don't do do anything. So it says Fast Boot uses an ear different approach to Windows shut down in earlier versions of Windows, the operating system closes all the programs and shuts down at the time of the shutdown.

Mikah Sargent (01:21:01):
As one would imagine, as

Leo Laporte (01:21:02):
One would expect. Yeah. With Fast Startup enabled a PC logs off, the users hibernates all the files, and on the next startup it simply resumes work from where it left off. It's basically

Mikah Sargent (01:21:13):
Hibernate, then

Leo Laporte (01:21:14):
It's like hibernate, but not exactly. It's like the next step down from Hibernate and it has the same problems that Hibernate has. And by the way, you have to have Hibernate if you're gonna be using Fast Boot. You don't, you, you don't. A fast startup is unnecessary and it causes issues. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, bottom line.

Mikah Sargent (01:21:38):
I I think that it was my understanding that most non-techie people turn off, they, at the end of every session, they shut down their computers. Anecdotally,

Leo Laporte (01:21:50):
I never turn off my

Mikah Sargent (01:21:51):
Computers. I as a person who, yeah, I don't. But anecdotally I I've seen that the average person is a person who, when they're done with their session, cuz there's so much like they think that you know, oh, we shouldn't run this and the power here and the this and the that, and it's making the machine get older. Oh, we've gotta turn it off. I've always seen people shut them down. So that's why I can understand why something like Fast Boot and Hibernate is something that these folks are using because they're so used to shutting everything down with the understanding though that yeah, these can cause some issues.

Leo Laporte (01:22:24):
Well, one of the issues is, you, you can't do Windows update when you're hibernated. You have to be fully shut down. So it isn't a bad thing to fully shut down. And I personally think even today a lot of computers benefit from rebooting. Yeah. Like cleaning out the Ram. Even the iPhone. My wife is a is who is also a Lisa. Lisa is a, is a firm believer that if anything goes wrong on her iPhone reboot.

Mikah Sargent (01:22:48):
Yep. She was just talking about that yesterday. Turn

Leo Laporte (01:22:50):
It off, turn it on again. That's, she does that almost daily. I haven't rebooted my iPhone in quite a while, <laugh>. But it's true that computers can get, it's, you know, all of this comes down to computers getting confused. Mm-Hmm. They're easily confused. Don't confuse your computer.

Mikah Sargent (01:23:12):
Yeah. I I remember doing that with my Windows 98 pc shutting it down after I was done. Yeah. With what I was doing. It's kinda old school Uhhuh. It wasn't until I switched to the Mac that I

Leo Laporte (01:23:26):
You needed to do that.

Mikah Sargent (01:23:27):
Exactly. You actually needed to. You gotta shut that thing down.

Leo Laporte (01:23:30):
Let me open the mailbox. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (01:23:31):
What's in the mail?

Leo Laporte (01:23:32):
What's in the mail? Here we go.

Mikah Sargent (01:23:34):
We showed like a song for the

Leo Laporte (01:23:35):
Mail. By the way, as you may have noticed, we do not pre-screen calls. We do not pre-screen voicemails. We do not pre-screen. We

Mikah Sargent (01:23:42):
Never know.

Leo Laporte (01:23:43):
We don't know. We like to be surprised. Or do you

Mikah Sargent (01:23:45):
Like to be surprised? I do. I do. I like to be surprised. I like to be surprised. I have occasionally like to know that we have people asking the same questions so that we can kind of address those. Yeah. But outside of that, I like being surprised.

Leo Laporte (01:23:57):
Well you'll like this one from Paul. I'm guessing we'll

Mikah Sargent (01:24:00):
See

Leo Laporte (01:24:01):
In Green Bay, Wisconsin. Paul, we're gonna be visiting you cuz our son Michael Lisa, Lisa's son. My stepson Michael. Oh, I already know he's a Green Bay Packers fan. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And we are gonna go visit Green Bay. Now there's a little dispute in the family. Lisa says we're going in September. I we're going early. I said no, no, you can't go to Green Bay game. You gotta go to Lambo Field in December. Or even better January when it's 40 below and snowing and you have to paint your body green and yellow and take off your shirt or you're not a fan. <Laugh> Michael Dear, dear, you should see his man cave. He's got a room in the house, right? You've seen it? Yeah. It's Green Bay everywhere.

Mikah Sargent (01:24:40):
It's everything everywhere.

Leo Laporte (01:24:42):
He's a part owner of the team cuz I gave him a share last. That's

Mikah Sargent (01:24:44):
A really cool,

Leo Laporte (01:24:45):
I thought that was cool. He now has a bumper sticker that says Owner Green Bay Packer's owner. Anyway. Hi Paul. He says I'm 64, just bought my first cell phone. Oh, but he got a good one. 14 Pro Max iPhone connected it to MIT Mobile without issue. Nice. One of our sponsors. What's the next, oh, this is for you Micah. What are the next three things I should do, set or verify? Ooh. With my brand new iPhone. What a great

Mikah Sargent (01:25:13):
Question. The next three things you should

Leo Laporte (01:25:16):
Do that presupposes that there are three things, right? <Laugh>, you should do <laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (01:25:21):
Okay. So you've got cellular service. That's great. I think the next thing you should do is give, and I'm, I'm also thinking about your age. Given your age, I have a feeling that you are a person who probably does phone calls. You probably, wait a minute.

Leo Laporte (01:25:40):
He's two years younger than me. Uhhuh. <affirmative>. And I never make phone calls.

Mikah Sargent (01:25:43):
Yeah. Okay. Let me,

Leo Laporte (01:25:45):
My daughter calls me all

Mikah Sargent (01:25:47):
The time. Yeah. Oh wait, but is it she don't to text? Is it FaceTime or is it sometimes

Leo Laporte (01:25:50):
She'll FaceTime. Okay. She says, I don't like to text because

Mikah Sargent (01:25:52):
I've seen, again, anecdotally, people younger than me love to FaceTime. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:25:56):
There is a lot

Mikah Sargent (01:25:56):
Of FaceTime. Do not like to call for the most part. I,

Leo Laporte (01:25:59):
Okay, Paul, this is the first thing you should not do. Don't use your speaker in public <laugh>. I went, we went in, Lisa and I went to an antique store yesterday and there's a woman talking like this. And I can hear, oh, that's miserable. And her friend is saying, where are you? And I'm in an antique store. Where are you? Oh, I'm down the street. Well, I'm gonna go outside and wave. Okay.

Mikah Sargent (01:26:20):
Miserable. Don't

Leo Laporte (01:26:21):
Do that. Don't

Mikah Sargent (01:26:22):
Do that. What I was gonna say though is you should make sure your voicemail is set up. Because that is, I imagine you'll be taking phone calls, getting phone calls. So you wanna make sure that your voice

Leo Laporte (01:26:31):
Voicemail is set. Oh yeah. That's the first thing you do.

Mikah Sargent (01:26:33):
And depending,

Leo Laporte (01:26:34):
I don't know how Mint does it, it depends on your carrier. Exactly. But many of them you go in there, you set up a a Hi, this is Paul. Go, go Packers and leave me a message. By the way, what do you Youngs do for voicemail messages? Do you mine, have you learned the lesson us olds have learned?

Mikah Sargent (01:26:51):
Which is not to say I'm not at home right now, that thing. Is that what you're talking about? Just

Leo Laporte (01:26:54):
Keep it short.

Mikah Sargent (01:26:55):
Oh, mine is just whatever. So in the phone app on the iPhone, you'll see down at the bottom, in the bottom right-hand corner, there's an option that says voicemail. In the top left of that page, you choose greeting minus set to default. So it's not my voice, it's not anything to do with me. It just has the thing that says, this person is unavailable. Leave a voicemail. You can choose custom and record your own voicemail. But ain't nobody got time for that <laugh>. So,

Leo Laporte (01:27:20):
So you don't have a custom voicemail?

Mikah Sargent (01:27:22):
Heavens no.

Leo Laporte (01:27:23):
Oh wow. That is what, I guess what the Youngs do. So it just says hello, I am a robot.

Mikah Sargent (01:27:29):
Yeah. Essentially this

Leo Laporte (01:27:30):
Is somebody's, I doesn't say names.

Mikah Sargent (01:27:32):
This is anyone's calling me. They are already do. I don't know them because why are they calling me? They know better people don't call me. I don't answer them. So why would you call me? Wow. so I just leave it to de default. But anyway, imagining you'll get calls out. I'm voicemails the next, now

Leo Laporte (01:27:45):
I'm wondering what my voicemail is.

Mikah Sargent (01:27:47):
Yeah. What is it? Where where is where you go launch Phone. Phone. Go to voicemail at the bottom. Okay. And then greeting in the top left.

Leo Laporte (01:27:54):
Okay. Voicemail. Oh, oh, you mean the phone app?

Mikah Sargent (01:27:57):
Yeah, the phone app.

Leo Laporte (01:27:58):
Oh, okay. Voicemail at the bottom and

Mikah Sargent (01:28:00):
Then and greeting in the top left at the

Leo Laporte (01:28:02):
Left. I wonder what my, and then

Mikah Sargent (01:28:03):
If you have default, then it's, I have default. Oh, then you've also got the robot. What

Leo Laporte (01:28:06):
Does default say? I don't, I think I never said this. I can't play default.

Mikah Sargent (01:28:12):
Yeah, I think you'd have to call, I, I don't remember what iPhones is. It's just

Leo Laporte (01:28:16):
Specifically Oh, it's just that I'm curious. Oh, so this is not from your carrier? This is from the iPhone. Yeah. Huh. Let's see. Play. Apparently it's nothing <laugh> for nothing. For the love of God play. It's silence. It's not, it, it is not playing. So I guess I can't figure that out. Custom you can record something.

Mikah Sargent (01:28:35):
Yes, exactly. So if you want to do your fun thing I used to have, when I was in college, it you know, you'd hear the beep. To actually remember, man, do you remember a

Leo Laporte (01:28:47):
Day ever in your life where there was no answering machines?

Mikah Sargent (01:28:51):
That's a good question.

Leo Laporte (01:28:52):
No, you probably don't. So in the old days, <laugh>,

Mikah Sargent (01:28:55):
I remember have switching out little tapes. That's probably as old as it got for me. Yeah. Was voicemail.

Leo Laporte (01:28:59):
But

Mikah Sargent (01:28:59):
You had answering machines. Yeah. In

Leo Laporte (01:29:01):
The old days, if somebody called and you weren't there would just ring and ring and ring and then they'd hang up. Cuz they couldn't leave a message. When answering machines came in probably in the seventies. Uhhuh, <affirmative>, maybe sixties. We thought it was so cool to leave elaborate messages. Oh. So the family would gather. We would sing, we'd go Hi. Hi. Hi <laugh>. And you'd leave this long elaborate message cuz it was new. Yeah. Yeah. Now it's like, you know what to do.

Mikah Sargent (01:29:27):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:29:28):
Leave

Mikah Sargent (01:29:28):
A message. Be leave a message. What

Leo Laporte (01:29:31):
Do you do? You have is that the Seinfeld, believe it or not, that George is not home. He had a singing answering machine. You

Mikah Sargent (01:29:39):
Remember that? Where could I be? Yeah, that's what I'm seeing there. I I did not, I didn't watch that show. Mine was leave a message after the sound. The tiny truck.

Leo Laporte (01:29:49):
This is from Seinfeld.

Answering Machine (01:29:58):
Must pick up the phone. Where could I be? I'm not home.

Leo Laporte (01:30:08):
That's

Mikah Sargent (01:30:08):
A great,

Leo Laporte (01:30:09):
It's funny, you can stop it now. It's funny. Hey. But we thought cuz it was new. Yeah. That was funny and cool. Yeah, it is the first time.

Mikah Sargent (01:30:21):
Right. But every time

Leo Laporte (01:30:22):
Call, so I'm, I'm just assuming your generation has learned because, because you've always had a voicemail. We did the fake. You didn't have to do that fun thing.

Mikah Sargent (01:30:29):
Our thing was to fake people out. You, your voicemail message would be, oh, I hate that. Hello. How you doing?

Leo Laporte (01:30:34):
I hate that. And then pause.

Mikah Sargent (01:30:36):
And then pause.

Leo Laporte (01:30:36):
Yeah. And they start talking. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And you go, this is a voicemail.

Mikah Sargent (01:30:40):
You didn't that you did that I did it. Yeah. <laugh>. And so I realized no people will call me. That's, that's not man are like coming from a professional setting that needs to change. So that I went to the default. Well

Leo Laporte (01:30:50):
That, okay. So that's a good point. So people, doctors, dentists will call mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. So you should leave us at like, this is Leo, I'm not here. Well, I, you don't have to say I'm not here obviously.

Mikah Sargent (01:31:00):
Yeah, exactly.

Leo Laporte (01:31:01):
So you say what do you say? This is Leo. Leave me a message. Yeah. Beep.

Mikah Sargent (01:31:06):
You don't really need much more than that. Which is why I just leave it at the default. <Laugh>, this person is unavailable to take your call, leave a message after the beep boop. And then it does. So,

Leo Laporte (01:31:14):
Okay. It's much better.

Mikah Sargent (01:31:15):
We've done phone. So you've got your voicemail set up. The second thing I would do, yes. Is make sure that your messages are set up correctly. Because youre going to have lots of options there. And you, if you've got a family who also have iPhones, you wanna make sure that you have your iMessage set up correctly. This was an issue that I saw early on with some family members where they were texting me. It appeared as if they were coming to me from their email. And so I won't go into so much depth. But essentially in the messages section, there's an option called send and receive. Make sure that you have the option called start new conversations from sets to your phone number. Because otherwise anytime you start a new message, it's going to appear as if it's coming from your iCloud email account. And depending on how you have used this, these services in the past, it may choose that email as default. So make sure your phone number is set. So that's number two. And then number three, I'm gonna say get your backup situation squared

Leo Laporte (01:32:21):
Away. Ah, turn on iCloud.

Mikah Sargent (01:32:22):
Yeah. Yeah. So in the settings, once again in iCloud you will see an option for doing backups. And even if you're just using the sort of the free storage that's available, which is only

Leo Laporte (01:32:36):
What five gigs,

Mikah Sargent (01:32:37):
It's not very much at all. Honestly, I would, you know, start to budget out to get a little bit more storage because that iCloud backup is going to be the way that you make sure that every photo that you take, all the messages that you send, all the stuff that you have is there. If something should happen to this device that you have. So voicemail messages for texting and your backup squared away I think would be the first three that you're going to do.

Leo Laporte (01:33:05):
I would also perhaps given that we are a little older going into accessibility maybe Great idea. A screen. There's a great idea. You have a choice of screen zoom. You know, I would zoom, I would have the larger icons. You might wanna set the text this under display and text size, set the text a little bit larger. Those things just, I, you know, I've, this is a lesson I've learned. I used to strain mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and I realized no, I can have big text. I don't have, there's no reason to suffer. So I set a bigger text. You, you know

Mikah Sargent (01:33:38):
What I've learned? I hold my phone too close to my face. Yeah. I've enabled that setting that's coming in the next version of iOS where it'll use the front facing camera to say, Hey, that phone's too close to you. What's

Leo Laporte (01:33:47):
Too close? Why is it too close?

Mikah Sargent (01:33:49):
So if you're holding your phone too close it, it leads to myopia, it leads to, oh, I already got

Leo Laporte (01:33:55):
It. Your side of this I, what I do is I pull my glasses down and I, and I get this close. Like

Mikah Sargent (01:34:00):
I was at an event recently where a guy kept looking over and his phone was like, right here.

Leo Laporte (01:34:05):
Yeah. That means he's my already got myopia.

Mikah Sargent (01:34:08):
Yeah. And so it just, it it popped up and says, Hey, move it back.

Leo Laporte (01:34:11):
Apple. Like maybe Tim Cook had had to get glasses cuz Apple all of a sudden is worried about how much time you spent out in the sun. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, which is also for myopia because you want to fo change your focal lengths. I would, now he's probably wondering, backup was really important and I might even go into my photos and see if they're backing up to the cloud. Yes. Cause one of the thing people sometimes do with their phone is just store their photos locally and then run out of space. I actually had somebody call me a couple of years ago saying, I need a new phone. I said, why? Oh, I run outta space in my old one. I said, what? She said, yeah, I have too many pictures. So I sh I told, I told her about iCloud photos. Let the iCloud storm. This is why you might wanna buy iCloud photos. It's, it is much cheaper than buying a new phone. And cuz you don't need to store it on your, on your phone. You still get thumbnails. If you wanna see a picture, you tap it, it downloads it. He's probably thinking what's the security thing I should do? And there isn't, you don't need an antivirus. Don't get, don't get suckered.

Mikah Sargent (01:35:08):
Right. Oh my God. Yeah. Please don't download any antivirus. You don't need any

Leo Laporte (01:35:12):
Security

Mikah Sargent (01:35:12):
Software. No, no storage. Like no cleaner software. Really. none of that is going to help you on your iPhone. And you know what the, if, if I can add my fourth one, it's going to be consider watching iOS today on Tuesdays.

Leo Laporte (01:35:29):
Oh, that's a very

Mikah Sargent (01:35:29):
Good one. It's got a lot of great advice

Leo Laporte (01:35:31):
There. I'll give you a couple from our Discord chat from hmi. I think he's absolutely right. Set up wifi to connect only to your preferred network. Never let wifi connect to random ones. Yes. That's a sort recipe for disaster. So that's a setting, but the default setting is, you know, connect wherever you see wifi, just join it. No. and Scooter X says turn on. Find my Completely agree.

Mikah Sargent (01:35:55):
Yeah, absolutely. Oh my goodness. Yeah. That is actually, I believe part of the startup process. Don't skip that. Give it the always

Leo Laporte (01:36:01):
Turn that

Mikah Sargent (01:36:02):
On location services to do find my,

Leo Laporte (01:36:04):
And then he suggests, I think he's right. Secure your Apple ID with two factors. I

Mikah Sargent (01:36:08):
Think if you create an Apple ID these days, you have to use two fa Yeah, yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:36:13):
And, and even create a separate password recovery process. Maybe a phone number or an email losing your Apple ID is is pretty catastrophic. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, you really wanna make sure that that's backed up. But that's the security stuff that you should do. I don't think you need to any third party security solutions. The, the reason you get an iPhone is because it is very secure out of the box. You probably already set up face id. We're gonna assume that you've done all that.

Mikah Sargent (01:36:38):
That reminds me at the talk show event John Gruber asked Craig Federighi, the guy who had in charge of software at the company about Joanna Stern the journalist for wall Street Journal. Wall Street Journal, thank you. I was thinking Washington Post for some reason. Wall Street Journal about her piece where she talked about people shoulder surfing, basically getting someone's code and then after that taking their phone and then having access to so many things. Because then you've got access to your email, the phone. Yeah. Everything's there. And Craig Federici said, first of all, we're very aware of that. Secondly, that's been a problem for as long as phones have existed. But third, he said, we are working on some ideas. Oh good. So I thought that was really if

Leo Laporte (01:37:24):
You're concerned about that, like you hang out in bars a lot <laugh>, then it, it is possible instead of using a six digit unlock code to use a full length password, which would be more, you know, more secure but also much more inconvenient. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> because face ID doesn't always work. I find I'm entering that six digit code at night when I'm in bed and various times. And so you know, maybe the other thing you probably, you may or may not wanna spend time depending on how geeky you want to get with the focus settings because it is possible to have a number of different settings. When I get to work, for instance, my ringer turns off. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I find that great. You know, I don't get text messages. There's no beeping coming from my phone. There may be situations you go to church, you may not want that to happen. So you can set up based on location. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>,

Mikah Sargent (01:38:10):
Time of day, time

Leo Laporte (01:38:11):
Of day, variety of things. You say every Sunday between nine and noon, I don't want my phone to ring. That's, that's a very nice setting. Yeah. So that's a focus. Then those can be completely automatic. It

Mikah Sargent (01:38:20):
Took me a while to build up the like energy and desire to do them, but once I did lot of fid, I'm very happy. Yeah. But it's very fiddly. But if you're a fiddly fiddler, then you will probably enjoy that. And great question. Yeah. The, that's an incredibly great question.

Leo Laporte (01:38:35):
No, I had mentioned when I got the, the new Mac that I would show you my set it up right. Setup process and, and I, you know, it's probably too lengthy. I have a notion, the reason I put this in Notion, notion.so is because the very first thing I do is I log into Notion and now I have my whole setup process for a variety of machines. Not just Mac, but also Windows and Linux as you can see here. And I can go to those and set up, you know, my machine the way I like it. Linux, windows 10 and Mac os. And there are a couple of things I do on Mac Os right away. Like set up a backup account. I call it Ghost. So that, and never use it because a lot of times the troubleshooting on the Mac, you wanna see is this in only in my profile. Right. So having another admin account you can log into, but if never used, so it's Pristine will tell you if that's unique to your profile or it's machine wide. I always make the cursor bigger. I don't know about it. You probably don't do that. I, I, yeah. I always tear my control key into a, my caps lock key into a control key. I hate caps lock. Ah, I hate caps lock. These are things I do cuz I know I'm gonna want it.

Mikah Sargent (01:39:45):
How now how, let's, let's ask that. How does one reroute a key? It's

Leo Laporte (01:39:49):
Insistent preferences in the keyboard settings under keyboard shortcuts. You have to go deeper now in the mod. More modern on Ventura and then there's modifier keys and you can set up all your modifier keys to do different things. Different things. Yeah. But I don't like caps lock. Yeah. I hit it by accident and I hate it

Mikah Sargent (01:40:07):
When you reroute it. Does the light still come on when you press it? No, when it's command it just leaves. Leaves the

Leo Laporte (01:40:12):
Oh it does. Yeah. I guess it does. Caps

Mikah Sargent (01:40:15):
Lock. Come on. Well that's a, that's a Windows machine. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:40:16):
No Wonder <laugh>. I haven't. You can do it in Windows is a lot harder. I'm glad Apple builds that in. I

Mikah Sargent (01:40:23):
Am curious if

Leo Laporte (01:40:23):
Lights, I'm think not light comes on, be cool. I'm thinking the light no longer comes on. Yeah, it just disables that feature and you can make it be something else. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> if you want. I have it be a,

Mikah Sargent (01:40:32):
I've never thought of doing that and I definitely don't use CAPS lock.

Leo Laporte (01:40:35):
I like a big control key cuz I use well I use emax. I'm sorry. I also then will install brew. Yep. Home Brew is what we call a package manager. Windows now has one with Win Get. Linux has always had one. The nice thing about Package Manager is you can then use it to install everything you use and with one line update everything. Not just your system apps. Not just your system, but everything you bought in the Apple Store.

Mikah Sargent (01:41:07):
Even Mac App store. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:41:08):
Because there's a program called MAs, Mac Apple

Mikah Sargent (01:41:11):
Store. Store. Yeah. You taught me about this and changed everything. In

Leo Laporte (01:41:13):
Fact, the best thing to do is I did a whole hands-on Mac.

Mikah Sargent (01:41:18):
Yeah, that's right. And those are available to

Leo Laporte (01:41:19):
The public. Yeah. On Brew. And, and then I use Brew Bundle, which is an even more advanced thing with brew. So Brew, let me install everything, but you can save a single file called the brew file that has, I'll, I'll show you my brew file here. As an example, here's a brew file, it's a text file and it has everything that's in installed on my Mac.

Mikah Sargent (01:41:47):
Nice. So you can make sure it gets,

Leo Laporte (01:41:48):
So I've saved it all. And then, and then I just, so I will literally run this file, then go have a, go have a cup of coffee, cuz it's gonna take a while. But this will install everything that I normally install on my Mac even. And I'll scroll down a little bit. Even stuff I installed from the Mac store, I'll have to scroll down a lot. I have a lot of stuff, but the thing is my Mac is now ready to go. There's a lot of fonts. There's all the fonts.

Mikah Sargent (01:42:15):
Oh, nice. It even does fonts. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:42:16):
Sure. Well cause Brew has everything. Right? This is all using Home Brew. And then these are actually Mac Mac store apps that I install. And so that once I've run this program in the background, takes a while I'm ready. I got everything on here. That's fantastic. Yeah. And and that's, that's a really nice way to at least get it 90% of the way. Then there's a lot of fussing that you can't automate. I did send you, there's a guy who wrote a yes script. It turns out a lot of the things that you set up on a Mac can be done from the command line. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But there, there's kind of super secret wizard codes. And so there, there's a guy and at some point, maybe you'll do a hands on Mac with this Uhhuh. But I have, he's written a shell script, which I took and I've added more commands to it.

(01:43:02):
So I can run one script in my, in my terminal that, that does everything else. Hides icons from the dock, you know, changes the size of the changes, everything. And almost all that, including by the way you could, you, there is a command for making your caps lock a control key. Nice. So all of that stuff can be changed in the command line. So my idea, I think this is the goal and should be the goal for all computers is automated setup a reproducible, well they call it a reproducible bill. That's the geeks call it. So that it's a setup that you, when you get a new computer, you know, you can run these programs, these scripts and by the time it's done, that computer is identical to your old computer. Yeah. And you and I use enough new computers that this is something we have to do.

Mikah Sargent (01:43:49):
Exactly. And it's so nice to just go, okay, I've got everything I need with a new machine. I remember asking, cause we got this question and it was about a Windows machine a question about can I just use a new machine and have it be the exact same as the old one and like sync between them. And I remember asking Paul Throt about that and he was kind of wasn't sure about a way to do that on Windows. And of course on the Mac we can get a little bit closer. But it sounds like with this script, you pretty close go pretty close almost all

Leo Laporte (01:44:17):
The way with it. And, and now, so there was always a, there were always similar programs for Windows not quite as thorough. Chocolatey was one I would use, but now Microsoft actually has one called Wing Get and they're supporting it. And so Microsoft understanding the value of having a package manager that can be used to update everything and keep it up to date and, and set up a new machine is moving in that direction. So Wing Get is, is, is has gotten much better now. That's good. Yeah. you know what? I can't live without my e-bike. Ah, ask the Tech Guys is brought to you by Electric E-Bikes. Thank goodness for electric. L E C T R I C E-bikes for Father's Day. You know, what you could do is you could go to electric e-bikes, get one, I mean get a certificate or something and then just print out the order.

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And there it is. This is, this is, this is the greatest bike ever. This is one of my leg. I have two, this one folds up. And so right in the middle there, there's a little lock you can un and it folds up. I can put it in my trunk. And the reason I do that more and more these days is cuz I feel unsafe biking on the streets. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But with my, here we go with my electric e-bike, I can I can actually put this in my trunk and go somewhere. Nice. Now this is the electric E-bike. Cargo bike. This is amazing. It has extra torque. So if you've never ridden an electric bike, you might not know what we're talking about. I think this is the future of mobility, to be honest. I love bicycling. Anyway, what you get is a pedal assist motor in the back hub that uses a battery.

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So you're carrying a battery on the bike and it makes the bike go when you pedal, you have five settings of pedal assist for actually six if you turn it off so you can turn it off and it's a regular bike. Get watch out that I'm gonna lose that that, did you see that that box bumped? It's kinda Oh no. Oh no. Where it goes. Every time I lose that box every time. <Laugh>, who cares? Anyway, the, the now the other thing I like about electric e-bikes. Not only e-bikes do this, it has a throttle too. So if you're stopped at a stoplight, you you can just press the throttle and go and it and it, and you don't have to pedal. You don't have to get up on your pedals to get going and you just smoothly go. You might say, well, are you getting exercise?

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You bet you are cuz it's a Burke. Dropped all the boxes. Burke. That was a special delivery. Now let me show you how I get this out. This, if you're watching the video, you can see this is, this is the fantastic folding electric e-bike. I just love this one cuz I could take it to a park, a bike path, unfold it, lock it all in. It's just like a regular bike. Once you've locked it all in, it has all the same features. And what a great bike to ride. Let me just actually, if you're watching the video, I'll show you the the console. The, the, it's a bright LCD display. Seven speed gearing live pedal assist. Five of 'em. See? So you can change that pedal assist there with a button. The lights on the back and the front are connected to the batteries.

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Skip the plate out gifts and give the gift of adventure for yourself or dad, electric e-bikes. Visit electric e-bikes dot com to learn more and explore the epic models they have to offer. I am a huge fan. L E C T R I c electric e-bikes dot com. This is a revolution, frankly, when we're in Rome. You know, Rome's famous for Vespas. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, those, you know, two stroke engines is pump fuel into the air. And yes, they're dangerous. I saw more and more e-bikes and I think it's such a great thing. They're silent. They don't, they pollute. And you get around and I'll tell you what, 28 miles an hour. You're never going fast than that in Rome. Anyway, it is really amazing. I love,

Mikah Sargent (01:49:53):
There's so much fun. There's swim through your

Leo Laporte (01:49:55):
Hair. Wasn't that fun riding? Yeah, it was. Did you get one yet?

Mikah Sargent (01:49:58):
No, not yet.

Leo Laporte (01:50:00):
You should take one home. I,

Mikah Sargent (01:50:02):
I should. Cuz I'd like to try them at a, so great. We've got a bike park nearby.

Leo Laporte (01:50:06):
Well, you know what I just found out, I'm very excited. You know, we're, this is, nobody cares about this, but you and me, <laugh>, maybe the studio staff, but they're widening our two-lane stretch between Petaluma and the next city down in Marin, which is Nevada. The highway widens up there. They're gonna build a bike path. Oh, really? All the way from Petaluma to Novato. 14 miles. I'm gonna be on that every Oh, that'd be perfect. Yes. Perfect. On my e-bike. Oh, you might say 14 miles on a regular bike. I don't know. But on an e-bike, you just go, yeah, I, no problem. Let's go down to Novato.

Mikah Sargent (01:50:37):
And after a question from last week about charging an e-bike at a at a, you

Leo Laporte (01:50:42):
Know, one of those, they charge it anywhere. I mean, super Chargers, they charge up fast on your regular, it's not like a car. They charge up fast on your, on your plug. So I just, I plug it in when I get home. It's always ready to go. Nice. Long, long range. Too easily can go to Novanto.

Mikah Sargent (01:50:54):
That's what I was wondering if I could make it all the way.

Leo Laporte (01:50:56):
That's nothing.

Mikah Sargent (01:50:57):
Noise.

Leo Laporte (01:50:59):
You know, Harry McCracken told me he rides his e-bike all the way. He lives in like Palo Alto all the way up to San Francisco and back. That's his exercise. <Laugh>, I'm telling you

Mikah Sargent (01:51:11):
More than I'm doing.

Leo Laporte (01:51:12):
Get an e-bike. Yeah. I think it's Chris Mark. Work time or no? Yeah. All right. I think it's time to talk photography with our friend Chris Marwat. Hello. Chris Marwat. Hello.

Chris Marquardt (01:51:25):
Michael. Leo. Hello.

Leo Laporte (01:51:27):
You're not on your mic, you're on your, your laptop Mike on this?

Chris Marquardt (01:51:31):
No,

Leo Laporte (01:51:33):
He sounds like he's under very roomy. He's in a tunnel under the seat

Chris Marquardt (01:51:37):
Microphones.

Leo Laporte (01:51:39):
Oh. There we go.

Chris Marquardt (01:51:41):
Is it better?

Leo Laporte (01:51:42):
Yeah. All better. Hi Chris. You got that? Good mic. You want to use it. <Laugh>. Chris Marquardt is a professional photographer. He writes about photography. He's got great books on film photography, wide angle photography, and he does the oldest photography podcast known to man tips from the top floor@tfttf.com. Chris is

Chris Marquardt (01:52:03):
A, I'm a

Leo Laporte (01:52:03):
Fossil, you're like me an an original podcaster. In fact, that's how we met it. The podcast ex one of the first podcast expos. Every month Chris gives us an assignment and reviews the effects of our previous assignment. What was our assignment this month?

Chris Marquardt (01:52:20):
Well, the assignment was dull, but we didn't get dull photos. We actually got some interesting ones. So d u

Leo Laporte (01:52:26):
L l doll. Like boring. D u l L. That was a brave assignment. All right. Well, it,

Chris Marquardt (01:52:31):
It was pulled from the fishbowl. What can I do <laugh> other than putting it in there in the first place, of course. So yeah, we had 15 people send sending in their pictures and I've made a choice of three again. And the first I wanna show is this one. Byron Amin Amin writes under the photo, our library's dull. I felt this famous one in Dublin under repair looks dull without the books taken in the book of Kels.

Leo Laporte (01:52:59):
Oh, that's a shot That's empty shelves inside

Chris Marquardt (01:53:01):
The library. I think that's have any books in the shelves.

Leo Laporte (01:53:05):
Wow. That is

Chris Marquardt (01:53:06):
Dull. So yeah, that makes, that makes for a doll library,

Leo Laporte (01:53:09):
Doesn't it? But it's actually a beautiful library, isn't it? Yeah. My goodness. Not as dull as it could be. Yes. Wow.

Chris Marquardt (01:53:14):
Yes, it is. Wow. So that was the first one. The second one came from Doug Bura title Dull. There's a little description here, rain Splashes and the Dull Thud of Hail. I love it. Initially I thought, what's thought about this

Leo Laporte (01:53:31):
Photo? Oh, it's not boring. Dull. It's no dull.

Chris Marquardt (01:53:35):
It's the sound. So what we are, what we're seeing is a black and white photo off some surface with water on it. And then something apparently hail hits it and the splash and Doug captured that splash of water going up in there. Nice thing here, photographically is the sh the focus is exactly where it needs to be on that. Splash's not easy, I guess. He might have dropped something in there and measured it up front. We, we, we'll never know. And the other thing is that the splash has a nice contrast to the background, so you can clearly see it. It's, the background is dark, the splash is bright, so that gives it, that's, that makes it stand out.

Leo Laporte (01:54:12):
Those tiny little lines that you can see in the darker part

Chris Marquardt (01:54:16):
Is

Leo Laporte (01:54:16):
Just exceptional. I I also, there's a story that you kind of see when you're looking at this, because I think about Doug, he's behind a window. It's hailing out. He's not gonna bring his camera out there in the hail. And he must have shot a thousand pictures to get that one perfect shot of the hail landing.

Chris Marquardt (01:54:35):
That's the good thing about very modern cameras. Lets have a quick look what camera he used. Used the Pentex. K 20 d I dunno how fast that is, but modern cameras have like, fast, fast chatter speeds. And

Leo Laporte (01:54:46):
That's a classic old camera,

Chris Marquardt (01:54:47):
10 or more frames per second. So you can shoot whole bunch and

Leo Laporte (01:54:51):
Great shot. What a great shot. Great one. And then he chose to put it black and white, which I thought was a good, a good aesthetic choice. Yeah.

Chris Marquardt (01:54:59):
Looks nice. Yeah. Yeah. And then last but not least, Jamie, Len again coming up here. The Empire of Sucks is the title Watching Paint Dry. So this is, this is desktop photography or tabletop photography.

Leo Laporte (01:55:14):
Oh, it's a little storm Dripper Fiig action figure.

Chris Marquardt (01:55:17):
It's a figurine that, that holds a brush, a real size paint brush. So it's, that's, it's as big. That's terrible as the figurine. And there's a logo, I think it's the Rebel Alliance logo. Uhhuh. And, and yeah, the storm tripper is,

Leo Laporte (01:55:31):
I think it's his job to paint that out. Yeah, that's what I was wondering. It's like I gotta cover up the graffiti demi. That's such a great picture. That's a really good picture. Yeah, I love that. So there we go. She must have just watched Andor, right? Probably. Yeah,

Chris Marquardt (01:55:44):
Possibly. Possibly. But, but of course you also have to have a a, an action figure and a pretty detailed like that.

Leo Laporte (01:55:50):
She's, she's a collector. Yeah. Nice.

Chris Marquardt (01:55:53):
That's the three pictures I chose. Those are

Leo Laporte (01:55:54):
Great. I love those. I love all of our photographers. Thank you for participating. 75 of you. That's wonderful. But it's not over because the fishbowl's not empty. <Laugh>

Chris Marquardt (01:56:06):
The fishbowl still has plenty of stuff in it. And I will draw one from the fishbowl and it is oh, oh, oh. We are going to see a whole bunch of food photos next time. Tasty. Tasty's

Leo Laporte (01:56:19):
Tasty.

Chris Marquardt (01:56:21):
That's, that's nice. I like

Leo Laporte (01:56:23):
That. Renee Silverman has put at the, as the photo at the top of the tech guy group, something that would easily qualify for this. A peanut butter and jelly sandwich. <Laugh>. I love your sense of humor, Renee. Nice job. Tasty. Look at that. So

Chris Marquardt (01:56:38):
Do we have one minute for three little food photography tips? Because there will be a

Leo Laporte (01:56:42):
Lot of that. Oh, we have plenty of time. That's the beauty. This is not a radio show anymore, Chris. There's no, there's nobody tapping a sign saying Wrap it up <laugh>.

Chris Marquardt (01:56:51):
That is cool. So three little tips. Let's see. First of all, a lot of people will shoot with a smartphone. If you shoot with a smartphone, use the telephoto lens, the one that zooms in the, the, the long lens as we photographers call that. And you don't need the whole plate on the, on the picture. Just, just go right in and cuts something out with the picture. It's okay if it goes over the edges of the frame. Gives it a bit more. Yeah, it's closer. And if it will feel closer. Second tip is you can use raw. If you, if your smartphone allows you to switch to raw photography, that will give you better colors typically. So especially in like artificial light environments. So do that. And the third one, if you can shoot using daylight. Mm-Hmm. Like if you have l e d bulbs or even old fluorescent bulbs, turn those off. Avoid direct sunlight. Indirect window light is amazing for food photography. So if you put that plate next to a window Hmm. And it's, and the sun is not shining directly at the food, and you go close with your, with your long lens, with your telephoto lens in the smartphone, that's when you will get the, the keepers.

Leo Laporte (01:58:07):
I think that's exactly how they do this. Peanut butter and jelly sandwich <laugh> probably looks like daylight, doesn't it? It's beautiful. Did we get any AI submissions? I know you were worried about people generating ai.

Chris Marquardt (01:58:21):
Let's have a look. I don't see any,

Leo Laporte (01:58:23):
I think

Chris Marquardt (01:58:23):
We did any No, I did. I I I went through them in detail. We have l All natural photos. Yeah. Of all natural photos. And I've seen this recently on a workshop where I, I was expecting AI to be a real, a real big topic. And for an entire week of a workshop was a long one. I think AI came up once the rest was photography. People want to do photography.

Leo Laporte (01:58:48):
I wanna take pictures. That's enough technology. I don't need more. I really, it's a wonderful aesthetic process. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> to use your eye, to think, to compose, get a shot. And then when you get a great shot, it's just the best feeling. It feels good. Yeah. There's pride there. Yeah. And you don't, I, I feel at least you don't get that same feeling

Chris Marquardt (01:59:06):
With and then if, and then if you get the, your photos to talked about here on the show, then hey, that's

Leo Laporte (01:59:12):
Glory. Exactly. Glory. Hallelujah. So here's how it works. We're gonna give you a month, four weeks before Chris returns. He joins us every month on the, is it the third Sunday of the month? The

Chris Marquardt (01:59:25):
Third

Leo Laporte (01:59:26):
Sunday. Third Sunday of the month. So you have till the next, till the third Sunday of July. We want new pictures. Cuz really the purpose is just to get out and take pictures. Not to go through your old ones, but get out and take some new ones. You're looking for some tasty, by the way, as you saw with Doll. Tasty doesn't have to mean tasty food. Who knows what tasty means. You get to decide that you're the photographer. If you get an image, you go, Hm, I like that. You can do this up to once, once a week. So if you start now up to four images you need to upload 'em to our Flicker group. Now Flicker is a free photo sharing site, flicker.com. Once you join Flicker, if you're not already a member, join the tech guy group and you'll know you're in the right group. Cuz we are almost to 14,000 members. In fact, I guess by guess by next week be, or next time you're here Chris will be at 14,000 members. Wow. Wow. 7,700 photos. This group's been a group since 2007. We've been doing this. Chris, can you believe that? That's a 16

Chris Marquardt (02:00:26):
Years, very long

Leo Laporte (02:00:26):
Time. May 25th. We just celebrated our 16th anniversary. If you go there and wanna upload a photo, make sure you tag it. TG Tasty. And if you do do an AI photo, just make sure you tag it. TG Tasty ai. So we know, cuz we don't want ais to com to compete with real photographers, but we do wanna allow AI images, so TG for Tech Guy Tasty, and then add AI if it's an AI photo. Renee Silverman, our wonderful moderator. She does such a good job. Yeah. Already updated the flicker page. Already has the tasty word in there. Yeah. Oh, she, she's watching. She's good. She's great. She's, she's good. I Renee. So make sure that you thank her because she works, you know, like all of Reddit mods for free just out of the love of photography. She's a great photographer herself. In fact, check out our pictures. Renee will say, okay, thank you. Got the picture. Thanks for the submission. And and then cross your fingers that next month Chris will say, that was tasty. That was very tasty. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>

Chris Marquardt (02:01:31):
Tasty. That's, that's how I choose. That's how I choose pictures. I look at the thumbnails. I pick the ones that I think are tasty. And this will be definitely.

Leo Laporte (02:01:40):
Yeah. There's gonna be a lot of tasty stuff. Make sure you eat lunch

Mikah Sargent (02:01:45):
Before. Yeah, exactly. It's like, don't go grocery shopping Hungry. You

Leo Laporte (02:01:48):
Can find Chris on Discover the top floor.com. That's his one of his many websites. That's the one though where you could see what projects he's up to. And especially what workshops he's working on. The Eastern European Tesla tour. Does it have any seats left? <Laugh>

Chris Marquardt (02:02:05):
One, one on the way from Berlin down to Transylvania. Still open.

Leo Laporte (02:02:11):
Okay. So it's a great chance to travel with him with a pro photographer and other photographers who, you know, love what they're doing. Stopping. The best travel ever I've done is with photographers cuz they stop at the, anywhere there's anything interesting to see, they go pull over, there's a cow <laugh> and we all bundle out of the car, take pictures, then we bundle back in. It's so much fun. It's so much fun. You will really love it. Thank you Chris. You're the best. Discover the top floor.com.

Mikah Sargent (02:02:36):
Thanks so much.

Leo Laporte (02:02:37):
Thanks for having me. Have a great month. Take care. You too.

Chris Marquardt (02:02:40):
Take care.

Leo Laporte (02:02:45):
Where do we stand here, Mr. Producer, man? Oh, we have a we have a phone call over. We have a phone call. Call. We

Mikah Sargent (02:02:51):
Have a phone call. But do we have an ad first and then we have a phone call?

Leo Laporte (02:02:56):
No, I just did an ad. Oh, you did? I think. We'll, I think we'll do an ad in a minute or two. Which one do you want me to take? Neil? I

Mikah Sargent (02:03:01):
Think we, yeah, Neil the phone. Phone. So somebody who called (888) 724-2884.

Leo Laporte (02:03:07):
Hello, Neil. Press star six to unmute if Hey Neil,

Caller Neil (02:03:11):
How are you doing? Hi.

Leo Laporte (02:03:12):
Nice.

Caller Neil (02:03:12):
Hi Mike. How are you doing?

Mikah Sargent (02:03:13):
Doing well, thank

Leo Laporte (02:03:14):
You. Welcome. Thanks for welcome. What's up?

Caller Neil (02:03:17):
Well, well a couple things. First of all, I do remember your first, you talking about the answer machine earlier? I, the first one I saw cause I think we're similar. First one I saw was a mechanical Asher machine. Was probably, was probably a kid. My a friend of mine and his father was a plumber and he had an at machine. Literally had this sat under the phone. The phone sat on top. It literally lifted the receiver up and saved little steep gave.

Leo Laporte (02:03:41):
Whoa.

Caller Neil (02:03:42):
I thought that was a,

Leo Laporte (02:03:43):
Wow. I don't know if that was saw

Caller Neil (02:03:45):
An, an answering machine.

Leo Laporte (02:03:46):
I don't know if that was very wide spread. It actually, it had an arm that picked up the phone.

Caller Neil (02:03:53):
Yeah. I mean it must have become from Bell System. Right. Cause you couldn't use any other equipment. That's right. Days they had at the time it literally lit, lifted up the receiver. It literally tape. I remember that distinctly as a kid.

Leo Laporte (02:04:03):
Hysterical.

Caller Neil (02:04:04):
Yeah. So it was probably in the sixties.

Leo Laporte (02:04:05):
Yeah, that's a long time ago. Rub

Mikah Sargent (02:04:07):
Goldberg voice.

Leo Laporte (02:04:09):
It really did change things when, when you didn't have to call back. <Laugh> not, not necessarily for the best <laugh> come to think of it. Well, what can we do for you, Neil? Right.

Caller Neil (02:04:20):
Well I was thinking about this because there's a lot of news lately about artificial intelligence. Not a redundant question, but I was wondering, I'm trying to understand what exactly it is. I mean, I know you talked about the chat gpt, you talked about photography and so forth. What exactly is artificial intelligence? Is that a new type of computer or something? Or you know, is it like this, maybe the enterprise computer, shall we say, for lack of a better way to describe it, is that artificial intelligence, I

Leo Laporte (02:04:48):
Think by meaning such an important question. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, that doesn't get asked enough. I think mainstream press, you just go, oh, you know what it is ai. And they talk about it. And I think the biggest problem with even the phrase artificial intelligence is the implication that it's intelligent. Which it's absolutely not. Right. And in fact, a lot of our language and even the way they've set up things like chat G P T is designed to make you feel like it's a person that it's thinking chat. G P T will use pronouns. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, oh, I'm sorry. It's not an i it's not, it's not a, it's a machine. It's a machine that is pretty much like that bell system. <Laugh> pick up the phone answering machine. You would never say that thing was thinking. Would you, you would never say that's an I right.

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That machine. Would you you would never say, oh, it hallucinates It's not hallucinating. It's not thinking, it's not intelligent. And I think it's very important to, to clarify this language because unfortunately, or, and I think probably intentionally, these companies are kind of trying to make you think it's like science fiction. Like it's Hal 9,000 from 2001 that, I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that. That it's got will that it's thinking. It's not. So really what is the difference? This is a, a, a question a computer scientist might ask between a traditional Von Neuman machine program and these more modern programs. It's a program by the way. What is the difference? So when we write computer code by hand as a coder you know this cuz you studied a little python. You're giving the computers step by step instructions. A Von Neuman. Von Neuman was a, was a brilliant thinker.

(02:06:49):
There's a wonderful book about him. I just read who, besides doing things like inventing atom bombs, also did early thinking about mechanical computing. And he came up with a notion, he was the first to think of it. That a computer should have storage where can store the program it's working on that there be sequential instructions in that program. It have a processing unit, it have output. And it was all kind of like an assembly line. You know, pulls in the program, takes a step, outputs it takes another step, outputs it, that kind of thing. It was very much linear assembly line. That's to this day, how programming works. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, it's a linear assembly line. What's different about, and I'm gonna use machine learning instead of ai, cuz really a better description, it's machine learning is still a little know quite. Right. I know.

(02:07:40):
I was thinking about that too. About machine learning. What it's doing is it's writing its own instructions. See how we humanize this? It's not, it's not, it has no will of volition. The programmer has set it up. Instead of me telling you what to do, I want the machine to look at a lot of examples and using some very well known technologies like neural networks, genera generated adversarial networks, some very well-known techniques. Take this body of information and generate its own instructions. Its own rules. That's the only difference. Instead of a human doing every step of the way, the machine can generate its own rules. Often those rules are a black box to us humans. It's not expressed in a way a human can look at and go, oh, I see what its rules are. It's doing it in a way that it understands, but it's still, and this is important, mechanistic, deterministic rules.

(02:08:39):
It's just generated its own from a body of information. So chat, g p t, that's what it's done. That's what all of these systems have done. You give them a body of information. In the case of chat, g p t, it was the entire internet. In the case of stable diffusion or mid journey, the image generators, it's all the images it can find on the internet. Right. All the public images it, it, it ingests those and makes rules based on that. Oh, well, when I see the word the, it is frequently followed by a noun. And this is the nouns that are, you know, these are the nouns that I have seen. 150,000 of them or whatever. And then it will probabilistically. This is kind of a, a simplistic way of thinking about it. Predict which one is the most likely to come up.

(02:09:36):
But it's gonna vary them cuz it wants to give you a different answer every time. So it's taking from, and the same thing with stable diffusion with an a with an image generator. It says, well, when you see this, you usually get this, or this seems to go well with this. What it's really doing, if you think about it, is what do humans do when given this input? What are the, what's the next thing that a human does? It isn't human. It's just predicting probabilistically what a human would do in this situation. And then does that, and that's it. That's <laugh>. That's the entirety of it. It is, it is probabilistically. It's it, you know what, you're already used to this with something called autocorrect. When you have a a, a suggested next word in your, on your phone as you're typing in your text message that suggested next word is exactly the same process.

(02:10:35):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, it's not quite as sophisticated, but it's the same thing. In fact, you remember we used to play a game where you would pick the next word. Yep. The next word, the next word. And you'd generate sentences. They were actually very much like chat g p t sentences. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, they're very similar. So it's not intelligent. It's not even artificial. It's a way of creating a computer program that the programmer doesn't have to write all the steps. In the early days of of this, Eliza you might remember, since you're an old timer back in the in the earliest days of computers, in fact you still have Eliza around, if you search for it, it would have a computer psychotherapist where you would say, I am having bad dreams. And they would say, well, tell me about those dreams. It, it was doing exactly the same thing, just in a somewhat less sophisticated way.

(02:11:21):
In fact, the early Eliza programs were those first style programs. Or the programmer would write every bit of it. So we'd say, well look for a word, a noun in there. Oh, dreams. Now take that noun and put it in this sentence. Tell me about those dreams. And that was all in the program. There was nothing generated any other way. It was all human written. So that's the biggest step we've taken, is instead of humans creating this code, machines create this code based on an analyzing human content and saying, well, a human would do this next. Is that thinking? No, because it doesn't understand the words it do. This is really important. It doesn't understand what it's saying. This is why it can be counterfactual. It can lie because it doesn't, it's not saying, well, is that true? It doesn't even know what that is.

(02:12:12):
Right. It doesn't know what refrigerator is. It only knows that when you see the word refrigerator, you frequently proceed it with opener. Close. Doesn't know what open or close means, doesn't know what refrigerator means, doesn't know, doesn't understand, isn't thinking. It's merely a set of probabilities that when you see the word refrigerator, these words come before it and after it. That's it. So we explanation. It's pretty simple. It's really the thing that people have to understand about computers. It's all computers are just a box of rocks and we put electricity into it and it does operations because we've got channels for the electrons to go in. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And that's all. And basically it's adding, subtracting. It doesn't even, many of the early computers didn't divide or multiply because subtraction, multiple subtractions are dividing and multiple additions are multiplying. So it didn't need to, it adds subtracts stores moves and then it can make decisions if then decisions like it can choose different branches.

(02:13:21):
But it does all of that. That's all. And that's all the way a by the way, all modern computer does too. It does that so fast. It looks like it's thinking <laugh>. It isn't. It's a electrified of rocks. And AI is just a very big electrified box of rocks. People who are worried about machine. It's crazy that these smart AI scientists are saying there's an existential threat from ai. You wouldn't say, well, there's an, you know, if you've got a machine that act that predicts what the next word's gonna be, we're in deep trouble. You wouldn't say that you, it, it isn't an existential threat. It's barely a threat to jobs. It's a threat to jobs. Only if your job is putting one word after another <laugh> in a proper order, or putting one brush stroke after another in a predictable order. In other words, if you're a mediocrity, if you do the same thing that most other people do, if you write a lot of cliches, you paint a lot of pictures of, of hobbit houses with big forests behind them, then you can be replaced by something that's doing it automatically.

(02:14:28):
But it's really important. And, and I don't, I don't think we as the media in general, tech media should do better. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, but general media either have done a good job of explaining this and, and playing it down. When Kevin Russ writes in the New York Times chat, G p t fell in love with me. He is putting fuel on that fire that shouldn't be burning at all. That is not, he did not fall in love with you. It's putting one word after another based on probabilities. It learned from digesting a lot of words. We shouldn't even use it. I, they, it think none of those words. There's no intelligence. That's the answer. I don't Does that, does that make sense to you, Neil? Is it

Caller Neil (02:15:18):
Absolutely. No, that's a great explanation. That's what you don't get from television so far. You know, when they talk about, well, his lawyer got in trouble cause he used t to write his you

Leo Laporte (02:15:29):
Got in a lot of trouble too, didn't he? <Laugh> you couldn't use auto. Correct. You should not use auto Correct. To write your legal pleadings. So replace wherever you see AI with auto. Correct. Yep. <Laugh>. That's, that's a great way to think of it. <Laugh>. And then you won't be so scared about it. You know what, here's the problem. We're human. We love stories. We love sci-fi. We love fantasy. We love imagining. Oh, how it could be, it could be magical. It could be amazing. And so we want these, we wanna imbue these. It's a normal thing. Yeah. All in animated objects. We try to imbue them with psychologically Yeah. We anthropomorphize. Yeah. Human attributes. It's just a box of rocks doing auto correct. Well,

Caller Neil (02:16:15):
Thanks. Taking my calling. Appreciate

Leo Laporte (02:16:16):
Great question. Absolutely wonderful question. And I, you got me off on a little philosophical tangent. I'm glad you tangent though. But we, but I, I think that that's kind of the best way of thinking about it because we give it too much credit. Computers have done amazing things because they're so fast, but they're just doing fast math, fast branch prediction, that's all they're doing over and over again. And there's a big gulf between what we as humans do and what machines do. And I just, I feel like I don't wanna take the magic out of the world. Yeah. People sometimes say, well, if you don't, you know, anthropomorphize, if you don't say rocks are alive. If you don't, then you're taking the magic outta the world. I think there's so much magic in the world as it is that if you look at this amazing creation that surrounds us, the fact that a, a bunch of cells

Mikah Sargent (02:17:18):
<Laugh> Yes.

Leo Laporte (02:17:19):
Could self-organize in such a way that I can de have that in my mouth

Mikah Sargent (02:17:23):
Yes.

Leo Laporte (02:17:24):
Is mind boggling. There is plenty of magic all around us. We don't need to make more up.

Mikah Sargent (02:17:31):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:17:32):
We don't need to imbue rocks with special magical powers. It's amazing what it exists. And so let's celebrate that. That's all we really need to think about. We wanna do another ad and then maybe wrap things up. I hope you aren't Sorry, Neil, you got me started on that. I just, I I've been thinking about it a lot because I see some things and I go, what are they talking? Why

Mikah Sargent (02:17:59):
Are they talking about it like that? What is why, who is, why are you saying the things that you're saying that are so inaccurate? Yeah. And yeah, there's so much misunderstanding and misinformation and in some cases disinformation out there.

Leo Laporte (02:18:13):
This is why I think it's important to learn to code. By the way, I encourage you to learn Python and I still do. Yeah. I know you've got crocheting and other <laugh> hobbies. Many, many in your way. But every, every kid should learn to code, not because they're gonna be coders, but because it's important to have a kind of intimate knowledge of what's going on inside these things so that you don't think, oh wow, this is smart. Or thinking, yeah. Somehow magical. It's not it's barely magical. You're magical. You're magical. That

Mikah Sargent (02:18:38):
Is true.

Leo Laporte (02:18:39):
This is something that us as magical beings created,

Mikah Sargent (02:18:42):
Created. We

Leo Laporte (02:18:44):
Made it. It's a box of rocks with electrical ions going through it to simulate stuff. <Laugh>, we are the miracles. You know what else was a miracle? I had a very nice night.

Mikah Sargent (02:18:56):
Amen.

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Mikah Sargent (02:22:27):
I so you're supposed to change them once a week. That's

Leo Laporte (02:22:31):
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Mikah Sargent (02:22:40):
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Leo Laporte (02:22:42):
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Mikah Sargent (02:22:46):
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Leo Laporte (02:22:50):
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Mikah Sargent (02:22:53):
No. That's why I, I had to do three loads last night to do everything that I had. Oh

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Leo Laporte (02:23:05):
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Mikah Sargent (02:23:08):
For the sheets. I would do that. Bring

Leo Laporte (02:23:09):
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Mikah Sargent (02:23:16):
Oh my God. Lisa. Just scream special.

Leo Laporte (02:23:19):
That would be the new benefit on Club Twi. But I don't know, maybe we, we maybe we won't do that. Club Twit is our our patron patronage system. Yeah.

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More and more I'm of the opinion that if we wanna keep doing what we're doing and grow and add shows, we need this. We need the listeners to support us. I wish we didn't, you know, when we first started we were ad supported and ad support works great. We love our advertisers. But a number of you have said, I don't want the ads or I don't want the ad tracking. I understand that. That's actually why we started this. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But then more and more I think wouldn't it be great if the people who like the shows support the shows And that makes us able to do more shows. And this has worked out very well. Two years old now. We started Club Twit. It's only seven bucks a month. So it's, it's, we wanna make it affordable of that. We get a little more than five bucks.

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You know, the cut goes to the, the processors, the credit card companies and stuff. But five bucks the money we put in our pocket, if, if if 5% of our audience subscribed we could get rid of advertisers. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, we I don't necessarily want to get rid of 'em cuz I like the idea of offering free shows to everybody. So that's what we're gonna keep doing. Free shows if you want ads. But if you want to be in Club Twit ad free all of our shows plus special shows we don't put out anywhere else. Stacey's book club's coming up with the Terraforms. That's June 29th. I same day we are gonna interview, actually Ant's gonna interview the author of Did you, have you watched Silo yet on Apple tv? I

Mikah Sargent (02:24:50):
Watched TV's

Leo Laporte (02:24:50):
Really good. Well there it's based on the beloved books from Hugh Howie, the Wool series. And frankly people say it's very accurate. So if you love silo, you should listen to this interview. An scored, he got fireside chat at 1:00 PM on the 29th with Hugh Howie. That's part of our kind of trying to create a special events just for the club. We have an inside twit alcohol fueled coming up next month. Rod piles doing a fireside chat next month. We have special events all the time. Community manager, aunt Pruitt does a great job putting this all together. You get chat rooms dedicated to all the shows, but <laugh> get over here. But also chat rooms dedicated to nerd topics like comic books. Oh look, there's a new Blue Sky conversation that's new. I bet there's a Reddit one too. Linux I OT Pets.

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No, there's not actually. But pretty much all of these subjects are all the subjects you might talk about on Reddit, photography travel science and sci-fi. So you get the Discord, you get free versions of all his shows. You get special shows. We don't put out anywhere else. Like Mike is Hands on Macintosh. Paul TH's, hands on Windows this week at Space started launched, if you will, in the club. Then moved out of the club because we were able to launch new shows. We're working on an AI show. I'm very excited about that. Yeah, I think Jason Hell is gonna host that. So this is all a way of us getting more to you and having you be part of our community. If you wanna do your laundry at my house, <laugh>, go to Twit. No, don't

Mikah Sargent (02:26:23):
Say that. It's not true. Go to twit.

Leo Laporte (02:26:26):
I sh I shouldn't lie.

Mikah Sargent (02:26:28):
Well, I could. No Leo. No, he's not doing it. Don't

Leo Laporte (02:26:31):
Do your laundry at my house. You to do laundry. Wants to do their laundry at my house. Twit tv slash club. Twit twit tv. You can Michael. Thank you. TWIT TV slash club twit. We invite you to join and we thank all of our wonderful club TWIT members.

Mikah Sargent (02:26:48):
Yes, thank you.

Leo Laporte (02:26:49):
Because you make this all possible. We, we, we literally would not have launched as the tech guys if the club didn't exist because we didn't have any ads at first. Now we do. Thank you. You made it possible. We are kind of out of time to say it.

Mikah Sargent (02:27:03):
There's always

Leo Laporte (02:27:04):
Really need to say it. There's so many calls and

Mikah Sargent (02:27:06):
So many calls, so many voicemails, so many emails.

Leo Laporte (02:27:10):
So if you are wanna ask a question, do leave us a voicemail. We'll get to more next week. And that number is 8 8 8 7 2 4 2 8 8 4. You can email us and I got some more emails in the back, so we'll, we'll answer more emails. Atg twit tv. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. If you wanna zoom us cuz we like seeing you,

Mikah Sargent (02:27:28):
We do. Call.Tv is the place you go. You can do that on your phone. That's what we really like if you do that, cuz it's very easy from there. You've got the camera, you've got the microphone all built into one place. <Laugh>. It's not too finicky. But you can, you can call, call us from your computer as well. <Laugh>.

Leo Laporte (02:27:49):
I, all I can say is thank you for watching the show. It's really fun to do it with you. Micah, thank you for being here. We will be back next Sunday from two to five Eastern. That's 10:00 AM I'm sorry, 11. 1111. We'd like to start at 1111 11:11 AM to 1:30 PM Pacific Time. That would be about 18 utc. Thank you all so much. Thank

Mikah Sargent (02:28:11):
You

Leo Laporte (02:28:11):
For joining us and a the tech guys. I'm Leo La

Mikah Sargent (02:28:13):
Port. And I'm Micah Sargent.

Leo Laporte (02:28:16):
Have a great week, week. Bye-Bye.