Ask the Tech Guys Episode 1976 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
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Mikah Sargent (00:02:13):
And this dapper gentleman over here and the green is Leo LePort Formula one racer.

Leo Laporte (00:02:19):
This is Aston Martin Green. And you see I have Fernando Lanzo, number 14. Ah. And he signed it. You can't tell cuz he, but his signature has an arrow.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:29):
I re That's a very fancy signature.

Leo Laporte (00:02:31):
Well, he's been in Formula One for more than a decade. He's had time to perfect

Mikah Sargent (00:02:34):
It. I'm trying to imagine how long it takes to shade in the arrow tip

Leo Laporte (00:02:37):
At the end. I am an Alonso fan cuz he's the old man in Formula One. Okay. He's 42.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:42):
Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:02:42):
Wow. Yeah. Do they usually That's the old man on this show. <Laugh>. I should support the old man on that show. Do they usually

Mikah Sargent (00:02:48):
Stop sooner because of Oh yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:02:49):
It's a young man's story. Reflexes, yeah. Reflexes.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:52):
Yeah. Mine are already shot. Throw something at me. Catching your

Leo Laporte (00:02:55):
Reflexes are shot. I'm

Mikah Sargent (00:02:56):
Kidding. Maybe that's pathetic. I don't know. Let's try <laugh>. I saw, I saw what, before we get into it, I did see them do one. Yeah, they

Leo Laporte (00:03:03):
Do the tennis ball thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:03:04):
I wanted to try, you should try that. I was a little bit worried that I was going to find myself disappointed at my reaction time. So I

Leo Laporte (00:03:11):
Saw somebody holds, do tennis balls and then you

Mikah Sargent (00:03:15):
You, you put your hand, I put my hands on top of

Leo Laporte (00:03:17):
Linda's on top of mine. That's it. And

Mikah Sargent (00:03:19):
Then he drops them at some point and you have to catch 'em. And I have to go underneath and catch 'em.

Leo Laporte (00:03:22):
That's a lot of reflexes. Yeah. We used to play that. Just slap hands. Yes. Yeah. But

Mikah Sargent (00:03:28):
They do tennis ball. Did you know there's actually a professional hand slap or face slapping group and they take turns slapping each other's faces.

Leo Laporte (00:03:37):
It's, it, it, arm wrestling wasn't enough. <Laugh>, we had to take it to the next level. Petaluma and people had concussions from that. Yeah. That's a very poor sport. Yeah. Do not participate. Not for me. I've seen people severely injured because I of course watch face slapping <laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (00:03:52):
Clearly in my spirit, I've seen people severely,

Leo Laporte (00:03:54):
Severely injured.

Mikah Sargent (00:03:56):
Back in minded. Did

Leo Laporte (00:03:56):
You have a butterfly keyboard back in your day?

Leo Laporte (00:03:59):
I did. Yeah. So Apple is finally gonna set, you know, pay the settlement. But so this is, this has been going on for, as all of these, there was a class action lawsuit. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, people who had their butterfly keyboard repaired, wanted money from Apple. Apple said fine. They settled and said fine. And then a couple people who never had their butterfly keyboard repaired, said, well, what about us? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, we had to suffer with it. Isn't our suffering good for something at

Mikah Sargent (00:04:28):
My fingers? They don't even work anymore.

Leo Laporte (00:04:30):
To which the judge said, no, <laugh>, your suffering doesn't count. And so you're gonna get the 50 million settlement divided among all the people who had to do repairs, which means you'd get a buck 50 each. I don't know. I think it's actually more than that. It'll be decent. Did you watch the Ron DeSantis on Wednesday? We did this live on this week in Google. His announcement running for president in 2024.

Mikah Sargent (00:04:57):
I tried watching it on Twitter. You did

Leo Laporte (00:04:59):
It on Twitter. We tried as well. Right, aunt? Oh, you weren't there. You were on vacation. You lucky boy. C Messina and Mike Elgan filled in with Jeff Jarvis and me, and there was echoing. There were sounds. So it turns out, you might wonder why, why did it not work? Because at its peak, I think they had 700,000 people trying to listen. But Twitter spaces had done more than a million in the past. I was

Mikah Sargent (00:05:22):
Gonna say, that actually doesn't seem as much.

Leo Laporte (00:05:24):
No, it wasn't that many. And the, in fact, they eventually, they could only get about 300,000 in there. Then he was able to do his announcement. They had to kick people out and stuff. Wow. It turns out that Elon fired, there were a hundred people on the Twitter spaces team. He fired all but three and I guess <laugh>. Oh, those three didn't know how to fix it. So <laugh>,

Mikah Sargent (00:05:42):
That's what happens.

Leo Laporte (00:05:43):
That's what happens. Wow. Speaking of shutting things down Apple. Now I asked you about this before the show, and you didn't, you didn't have an opinion. Apples,

Mikah Sargent (00:05:53):
It didn't, it didn't raise my blood pressure.

Leo Laporte (00:05:54):
It didn't raise your eye ire. So Apple had a service prior to iCloud called my photo stream. Yeah, you remember that? Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:06:03):
It was essentially kind of the stop gap before iCloud came along, where when you took a photo in one place, you could see it in all of the other places that you were logged in. So if I took a photo on my phone, I could see it on my computer, I could see it on my Apple tv. But what was weird about it is that after a period of time, those photos would disappear from your photo stream. You think of like a stream. It

Leo Laporte (00:06:26):
Wasn't permanent. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:06:27):
You put a leaf in there, you see it for a moment, it'll go away. After

Leo Laporte (00:06:29):
Was 30, the last 30 days of images mm-hmm. <Affirmative> up to a thousand. And then it it did, it was using, effectively using iCloud to do it. Yeah. But you didn't have to pay anything for it. It was just a free service because

Mikah Sargent (00:06:40):
It also downscaled the images. The resolution was less, the size was less.

Leo Laporte (00:06:44):
I think it was a nice service. Apple's killing it. It will stop June 26th, about a month from right now. Images remain in the cloud for 30 days and then it'll be dead gone. Yeah. And

Mikah Sargent (00:06:56):
The the other thing that was kind of troublesome about my photo stream is if you used the photo stream, you essentially had to take the photos from the photo stream and tell it that you wanted them to also be saved in iCloud. Ah. And so if you didn't, then they would go away.

Leo Laporte (00:07:12):
It was confusing. Same time. Yeah. Yeah. That's reasonable. So they want you to use iCloud photos. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, but, and so I've heard some complain, well, I don't have the bandwidth for iCloud photos. This isn't as good for me. Whatever. just a little heads up if you're using the photo stream. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:07:26):
And that's something, you know, if Federal and others is kind of going, oh gosh, what if I'm, it's probably the case that you're not, because after Apple introduced iCloud photo library and all of those features, that photo stream stopped being enabled by default. Yeah. So you literally had to go in and say, I want to use photo stream and do it on multiple devices. Holy God. And opt back into it. Holy cow. So crazy. You probably aren't using it, but it's worth checking to make sure that you have kind of switched over to the other

Leo Laporte (00:07:54):
System. Now that I'm thinking about it sounds like it's a good thing that they're shutting this down. Yeah. It probably was confusing people.

Mikah Sargent (00:07:59):
Incredibly confusing. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:08:00):
Okay. That's good. All right, then. I'm not gonna be mad. I'm not angry anymore. Good. I feel much better. I'm so glad. Okay. Except Uhoh, the FDA has just given approval for Elon to put a sensor in your brain. I'm not gonna do this, I just wanna go on record. This is neural link. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> Elon Musk's company to, cuz he wants to do vr, not with, not with a nerd helmet, but with a <laugh>

Mikah Sargent (00:08:27):
Implant. Actually, it

Leo Laporte (00:08:28):
Would be most initially, mostly useful for people with various brain injuries. Yeah. to kind of en enable them to talk or to move things and you know, do stuff. So that's cool. I think that's probably why the fda has approved it. There have been issues for instance animal testing with Neuralink. Elon's been accused of some cruelty there. I there's an investigation going on there. Department of Tra transportation is investigating Neurolink to see whether I, this is weird. Illegally transported dangerous pathogens. What? On chips removed from monkey brains without proper containment measures. Don't know why that's D o t, but it is. So, okay. Also, the Department of Agriculture is investigating those animal welfare violations. But the FDA says, that's all right. Just put it in your brain. <Laugh>, are you gonna volunteer? Heaven's known. Okay. Just thought.

Mikah Sargent (00:09:28):
No, this is, I, this, I'm actually doing a marathon right now. Rewatching the Jurassic Park films. And this, this smells of thes,

Leo Laporte (00:09:38):
It's quite a marathon in the sense, how many of those are there? There

Mikah Sargent (00:09:40):
Are six films. Six of them? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:09:42):
Isn't there a line in the first one? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Where the tall guy, what's his name, says, oh, it's

Mikah Sargent (00:09:48):
Jeff

Leo Laporte (00:09:48):
Goldblum. Jeff Goldblum says, just cuz you can do something doesn't mean you should. Something like that.

Mikah Sargent (00:09:52):
Yeah. The scientists never stop to think if just because you can do something that you should do something. And that's kind of,

Leo Laporte (00:09:57):
That's a great line in that movie. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:09:58):
And what, what is it? It's, it feels like, you know, you're, you're saying you have the people that are coming and their job is to make sure that you're following procedures and following all of the science. And then the person at the top goes, ah, we're doing it anyway. And that's how you get

Leo Laporte (00:10:14):
Really, that's what Burke has decided that I'm doing it. I saw that Anyway. You seen that? He says, I'm getting that.

Mikah Sargent (00:10:17):
Oh, you're getting it. I'm gladly

Leo Laporte (00:10:19):
<Laugh>. So that, okay, so we were doing good news, bad news, good news for Elon. So there, the, there, the bad news was Twitter, Uhhuh <affirmative>. The good news was Neurolink. Is

Mikah Sargent (00:10:27):
It

Leo Laporte (00:10:27):
<Laugh> ish? Not for Elon. It's good news. This is even better news. The world's best selling car.

Mikah Sargent (00:10:34):
This is

Leo Laporte (00:10:34):
Wild. In the first quarter of 2023, the Model y, the Tesla Model y. First time an EV has ever been the best selling car in the world.

Mikah Sargent (00:10:43):
What qualifies as best selling? It means that it's sold more models than others. Or it's sold at a faster rate than others. Because that was my, you know, kind of curiosity is what, what, what do you get? What do you have to do?

Leo Laporte (00:10:56):
Asking a difficult

Mikah Sargent (00:10:57):
Question. I know. I'm sorry. I had to do the probing questions. Model.

Leo Laporte (00:11:00):
Why sales. But is it dollars or units? Is it's gotta be

Mikah Sargent (00:11:05):
Units. I'm imagining it's units

Leo Laporte (00:11:06):
Because dollars, you know, you cheap car expense car. That wouldn't make any sense. Bestselling vehicle last year in California and Europe, fourth bestselling in China. This was last year. The number. But Tesla's number one sales model Y had two. Yeah, it's unit sales. 267,200 sales in court q1 in 53 markets. That's ahead of, what do you think the number two car is?

Mikah Sargent (00:11:36):
Something from Toyota.

Leo Laporte (00:11:37):
Yeah. Toyota Corolla. Very good. Toyota Corolla. 256,400 squares. This is

Mikah Sargent (00:11:44):
Cool though. We've got an EV that's taken the top spot. They, that means that, you know, people more than ever are, it's good news. Generally interested in

Leo Laporte (00:11:51):
EV's. Yeah. we have a very packed show today. Dick de Bartolo is coming up and we have our new phone number. So I really want everybody to try this out. Last, last week we got five calls. In the last five minutes, which it was too many, we couldn't, so we had to put some people on hold. But here's the number. It's 8 8 8 7 2 4 2 8 8 4 8 8 8 7 2 4 8. T t G. Of course you could still use our Zoom, which is called Twit tv. So just open your phone, open your browser on your phone, and type in call TWI tv. That'll open Zoom or do Zoom in the browser. And of course we also have emails. We have video emails, we have phone voicemails. It's like crazy. You're out here. Yeah. Thank you. It's gone crazy. ATG Twitter tv is the email. You see it at the bottom of the screen if you're watching the video.

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But the phone number is great because that means people who listen to the old radio show who've been kind of, I think disenfranchised cuz it's so complicated to use Zoom now. Can just use a phone call. Now here's what'll happen though. It's a little weird when you call in you'll hear my voice saying, Hey, hi, how you doing <laugh>. And then we'll transfer you into the room where you'll start hearing the show. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And then at some point we hope we'll get to everybody. We'll go to you. And at that point, you unmute yourself by pressing star six star six, you're muted when you go in. Otherwise everybody would be talking. It'd be crazy. So you press star six when we say hello, welcome and so forth and so on. So you wanna try a call? Right now's I have a phone call. Let's, yeah. I see there's a phone call. I think Bernie's on the line. Let's try Bernie. I'm gonna send him in now. Once he's on the phone. Actually no. Cuz we can take as many calls as we want. We can take as many calls. Bernie, are you there?

Caller Bernie (00:13:35):
I'm, I'm here. You

Leo Laporte (00:13:36):
Press the stars.

Caller Bernie (00:13:38):
You

Leo Laporte (00:13:38):
Press stars. Hey Bernie, where you calling from?

Caller Bernie (00:13:41):
Lakewood, Colorado.

Leo Laporte (00:13:42):
Lakewood, Colorado. Welcome. What can we do for you?

Caller Bernie (00:13:47):
Pardon?

Leo Laporte (00:13:48):
What can we do for you? Oh, what can I do you for? As they say in Lakewood. <Laugh>

Caller Bernie (00:13:54):
<Laugh> I have a, an a IAC A 2017 iac 27 inch. And it's, you know, 5K screen and so forth.

Leo Laporte (00:14:04):
Oh yeah. Those beautiful 5k imax. They were so nice. Yeah.

Caller Bernie (00:14:08):
Yeah. And in any case, the in the 5K resolution settings, things are pretty small on the menu bar. Yeah. And also some of the other things that, that you look at. And I've been able to make them somewhat larger by going through the proper procedures, but they're still really small. And so I'm wondering if, is there an app that can make that kinda stuff larger?

Leo Laporte (00:14:31):
First of all, and don't let Mike handle that. But first of all, you never wanna run the 5K monitor at 5k. Yeah. Because not only if everything's too small, it's everything's small. So if you go to display control panel, or it's system preference pain for the older Mac os you'll see that it says, it used to say resolutions. Now it just says best for monitor <laugh>. Choose best for monitor. And what is, what that is, is a screen doubled. So instead of being 5k, it's two point 5k. So everything's twice as big as it would be if it were native resolution. And you might say, well, what did I buy a 5K monitor for <laugh>? Well, when you do photos or movies or editing, there are a lot of situations where the screen will display at 5k. The times you want it to, you don't care if the menus or the icons are 5k. And in this case, you don't want 'em to be, cuz they'll be too tiny. So the first thing to do, and it may still be too small for you, I I'm not saying it's not, but the first thing is to make sure you're on in, in the system preferences. Best for what I, is it best for monitor?

Mikah Sargent (00:15:31):
De It's called default now, but default it used to be best for

Leo Laporte (00:15:34):
Monitor. Yeah. So if that's still too small, there's there's way you can make it even bigger.

Mikah Sargent (00:15:38):
Yeah. And the first thing I wanna do is tell everybody about a little secret tip. Typically when you open the displays menu on your Mac, you're going to see three or four little thumbnails. There'll be one that says larger text. There'll be one that says more space, one that says default. And then there's one in between larger text and default. If you right click while you're over any of those little thumbnails, you'll see an option that says Show list. I recommend everybody choose show list because when you do, it will give you all of the available resolutions for the display. And there's actually a toggle that pops up that says, show all resolutions. So by default it's gonna show you some resolutions that kind of make the most sense for the display. But if you turn on show all resolutions, you can suddenly get that screen pretty big. I can go all the way down to nine 60 by 600. And

Leo Laporte (00:16:29):
When I, everything would be giant. When

Mikah Sargent (00:16:30):
I click on that, everything is gigantic. I can see everything on the screen. I could be very far away and still see everything on the screen. It's quite nice. So I recommend doing that first before you go with anything else. Start there. After you have, have tried to kind of switch it to that smallest resolution where the, the everything is bigger that's where you wanna start to employ some of the built-in technologies in the accessibility menu. We talked before about on an iPhone or an iPad using magnifier. There's a similar ability to see things a little bit clearer on your Mac. It's called Zoom. And so in the accessibility menu you'll see a feature called Zoom. There's some different options. I'm not gonna go through all of the options, but by enabling it, you can then set up keyboard shortcuts. Or if you've got a track pad, you can also use the track pad. I like the double tap three fingers to Zoom. And that's going to let you zoom in on any part of the screen. Now it's a little bit different from magnifier on the iPad or iPhone. And that's why I like this more because what happens with this is that it will actually zoom in on a portion of the screen entirely. It doesn't show up just in a little box. So again, let's start with in displays showing all the resolutions. Try that first.

Leo Laporte (00:17:58):
Do default first. Yes. See if it's okay. Choose

Mikah Sargent (00:18:00):
Default and then go down from there. And then if you don't want that, that's where the accessibility setting and we will we'll

Leo Laporte (00:18:05):
Come in handy twisted. Mr. Asks a question a lot of PC users ask in our IRC chat. He says, harumph, <laugh>, <laugh> on a pc you can scale stuff. Why doesn't he says, doesn't Mac have scaling like windows? You're better off running in a native resolution. And this is the problem on a pc. You might have been used to native resolution on the Mac. You don't Go ahead. Bernie, what, what did you wanna say? Yeah

Caller Bernie (00:18:35):
Basically I've got bootcamp on, on this. Ah, you

Leo Laporte (00:18:39):
Also, you didn't mention Windows and

Caller Bernie (00:18:40):
Everything is wonderful in, in Windows <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:18:42):
Yeah. So make sure in the Mac that you're in default. Yeah. Windows lets you choose the dpi. Which is, you know, I guess if you understand what DPI is, dots per inch, you can, you know, set it like a 96 DPI and that'll be legible. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> normally on that 5k Mac, I always would run default because what Apple's doing is, is, is, is they're doubling the size of everything except when you want that resolution, which is in photos and videos, I said. And so that's what, that's Apple's way of saying, you shouldn't have to think about this, just run it the way we set it up and everything will be fine. You'll get the native resolution when you want it and you'll get bigger menus and icons when you, when you need it. Having said that, they do offer you different scaling solutions and they off, but I think what happens is people start messing with that. Yes. And then it gets all messy. Best thing to do is, is just let it take the defaults, run it all in default and see if you can see the menus and the icons and everything's normal. And that way you'll get the best of both worlds. Was that your concern, Bernie? Is that you might be losing out on the 5k?

Caller Bernie (00:19:48):
Yeah. I was hoping there would be an app that would fix it for me. There is, I could give you an app other times and apps for these other questions or other problems I had that were available.

Leo Laporte (00:20:00):
I can give you an app. Switch Res X I've used this on the 5k. This is hysterical. I it gives you even more resolutions than Apple does. Yeah. Because Apple's trying to give you resolutions. They're gonna look good. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (00:20:14):
What were you gonna say, Bernard?

Caller Bernie (00:20:15):
I actually have that app and I, and I that's how you in trouble from you.

Leo Laporte (00:20:19):
That's how you got in trouble. <Laugh> <laugh>. Because if you run it at 5k Yeah. Everything's really tiny.

Mikah Sargent (00:20:25):
And, and see this is where you heard me not talk about an app. And the reason for that is because to the best of my ability, I want to give people the solutions that are as close to the metal as possible because I find that they provide the best experience. That's where I think that Zoom accessibility feature would come in handy for you because it's temporary. It lets you see that part of the screen that you're trying see and then go back to the re resolution that Leo's talking about. It is in effect an app. It's just built into the system. It's not necessarily, not necessarily that we need to have some third party solution if the features are built into the system.

Leo Laporte (00:21:01):
Yeah. You used to need switch Res X. That's an old recommendation of mine. Your longtime listener, Bernie. I love that. <Laugh>, I, I think that you can get in trouble with switch res x I I used it when I first got a 5K just to see, well, what if I run a native resolution? And you were right. You can't see anything. So even when you're using Windows, you're telling windows to probably to double, which is normally what you want to do. Ideally you would do it in factors of two because then it doesn't have to do aliasing to get, you don't get jaggies. So, you know, if the no nominal resolution, I forgot what 4K is, 20 by 2160 lines. If that's the nominal resolution, then half of 2160 would be what you would want to do. Which is, what is that 10 80, right? Yeah. And then half of 10 80 would be the next one. Which is what? Five 40 and then half of that and half of that. Those would all give you a, a kind of a better picture than doing a third or an eighth. Apple. We'll give you a third and eighth on this

Mikah Sargent (00:22:04):
Scaling. Are there? Yeah. per that suggestion that I made, and I want to point out thank you Scooter X for that reminder. Also in that display accessibility menu, there is an option to just change the menu bar size from default. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:22:20):
You could just change that.

Mikah Sargent (00:22:21):
So you could also just make that menu bar larger. If, if your biggest concern is the menu bar size.

Caller Bernie (00:22:26):
I, I did that, but it doesn't, it doesn't make it that much larger.

Leo Laporte (00:22:29):
My bet Bernie, is that you used switch Res X back in the day and you screwed it up. <Laugh> <laugh>. So, so you're probably right. So go back. I, I can't remember what the default is. I think the default is half, which is 10 80 and I can't remember what the width is. On the, on the 5k.

Caller Bernie (00:22:51):
5K it's gonna be something slightly different.

Leo Laporte (00:22:53):
Well if it were 40, you're right. 4K 2160. You're right. It's 5k. Yeah. So whatever it is yeah, I think it's 1800 maybe or 1620. I can't remember any event. Ideally it might be too late for this cuz you've messed with it so much. <Laugh>, you wanna use the default. And I think for most people that's fine. If you have low vision, of course. That's when, that's what that why it's an accessibility. It's for people with low vision mm-hmm. <Affirmative> who wanna make a bigger menu bar. So if you have low vision Yeah. You may wanna make it bigger

Mikah Sargent (00:23:23):
Even. Yeah. If you wanna install, if you've got that Switchers X installed, if you wanna install that first and then go into just the display menu, it actu it says which one is the default. So you can just choose the default start there.

Caller Bernie (00:23:36):
So I'll, I'll try all of your suggestions and let's see what happens.

Leo Laporte (00:23:40):
Yeah. Always go default.

Mikah Sargent (00:23:42):
We'd love to, to hear how that works out

Leo Laporte (00:23:44):
For you. Here, here Scooter is always on the money. He says the default on the 5K is 25 60 by 1425 60 by 1400. That sounds like the, that sounds like 5k. So maybe, maybe, well, I don't know. Try that. See what happens. See what happens. You don't want Oh great. Well I, you've got a great Mac. I I gave up all my 5K max. I'm sad because I wanted to go get off the Intel platform. But that monitor is fantastic. Yeah. Hey, great to talk to you

Caller Bernie (00:24:16):
Again. I'm happy with it. Okay. Anyway, thanks again for all. Appreciate your

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Caller Richard (00:28:50):
Let's go to the, the Zoom calls.

Leo Laporte (00:28:53):
We got a zoom call. We got a Richard on the line. Let's cuz we wanna see some video. That's what you wanted, didn't you? You wanna see a, a picture? Yes. Let's see. We're gonna get to Susan too in just a second. Stay on there. Susan. I see you. Richard. Are you there? Are you there, Richard? Oh, might it might be. Yeah. Was it a flicker? There was a, was there a flicker flick? I'm sorry

Caller Richard (00:29:16):
About that hat. The mic muted.

Leo Laporte (00:29:18):
Oh, easy peasy. What's up Richard?

Caller Richard (00:29:24):
My main, my main question is around, around certificates and in

Leo Laporte (00:29:31):
Perfect timing

Caller Richard (00:29:33):
In inter-organization security. I understand this importance and significance of having TLS certificates. TLS certificate.

Leo Laporte (00:29:42):
Oh, that kind of certificate. Okay. Browser certificates. Yes. Yeah.

Caller Richard (00:29:48):
However, I'm a little perplexed as to actually, how old do I go about getting it? I don't, I need to purchase. I need to purchase one. You in the organization, you

Leo Laporte (00:29:59):
Don't actually, so let's talk about this. Oh, so the way search work in your browser, it's a public key crypto, right? There's a public key, there's a private key. Every site you go to these days should be using encryption t l s and you'll know cause it says H T TPS S and there's a little lock. Or now they've changed the lock on some browsers mm-hmm. <Affirmative> to people in a sleeping bag. I don't know why <laugh>, but nevertheless, you should know that it's a site is, is secure. You also asked though about inter inter intranets in inter-organization stuff like that. You still wanna have security. What we do, so for instance, let's give you an example. There's a couple of kinds of certs. There's, there's a there's a specific cert for a specific domain. And, and then there's also wild card certs.

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Now, for a specific domain, you could go to Digit Cert GoDaddy or any number of certificate authorities and buy a cert. They only sell them now for a year. They used to sell 'em for three years. For security reasons because it's hard to revoke assert they're solder for a shorter period of time. But you can buy three years and then just kind of renew it automatically, but not fully automatically, but renew it. The, the single cert though, the best thing to do is the free certs from Let's Encrypt mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and many, many sites, many, many places that you might want to have a cert for will have an automated system. I run a script, for instance, on my website that automatically every three months, cuz let's encrypt only lasts three months. Every three months updates. It's it's certificate. So it's always secure and it's free.

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You may also do that on a Sonology nas or a nas. If you have a NAS that's open to the world, you definitely want encryption turned on. So your sonology NAS has a setting for generating you can do. So you can, you can get a real cert from a certification authority. Let's encrypt counts. You can also do in sonology allow you to do this. A self-signed cert. That's, that's the cert. You get <laugh> when you go there in your browser that says, you know, this site is not necessarily safe. Are you sure you wanna go ahead with this? You get the warning. Now, you may not mind that on a, on a nas for instance, if you're logging into a network attached storage, cuz you know, you're logging into your, it's you logging into your server. In fact, you even can in that browser say yes, accept that.

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And, and from now on, that cert is good in this browser you can kind of authenticate it and say, I don't want to get, I don't wanna see that warning ever again. So then there's another, the final kind of cert that's the most expensive is the kind we get, for instance, on twit tv, which is the wild card cert. The wild card cert means you can have, you know, for instance, when you call our Zoom, it's call TWIT tv. So we have twit tv, but we have a wildcard that can be anything in front of that. And all of those are automatically certified. That's more expensive because you can have basically an infinite number of sites. We do, you know, we have a lot of, if you go to Club TWIT tv, that's the, that's the sign up for Club twit, things like that. So that's a wild card cert.

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Those are more expensive. And then there used to be, and I don't know if this is still around, there used to be an even higher level of certification where they authenticate it, they call you used to be browsers who show that as green. We've talked about this on security now. In fact, if you really want to get into the, the weeds on certs, security now has a number of episodes in which Steve talks about that. You could just go to grc.com and search the transcripts for TLS or certification or certificate authority. You'll see he talks about this a lot. These higher level certs, they actually call you, I think this, I can't remember if this is what we use. They actually call you to verify it's you, it's called the enhanced certification. And that, you know, if, if I were a bank or a cer e-commerce site, I might want to have an enhanced, most of them do.

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Because then you then it's like even more sure that you're calling, you're, you're visiting the site that you think you're site service. Cuz they call up and say, are you really legal Laport? Yes I am. Can you show me your driver's license? All of that stuff. They go through extra steps. Actually, it's not really that, it's not really that good. <Laugh> So does that, that's kind of the rundown on certifications. They're giving you a private certificate certificate and a public key that you can, that people can then verify. They have the public key in their browser and then they go and they verify and you say, yep, that's us. That's us.

Caller Richard (00:34:33):
Okay. Does

Leo Laporte (00:34:34):
That answer your question?

Caller Richard (00:34:37):
Yes, it, yes it does. Although I do have, I do have indeed one more thing clarified. Sure. when I get the op open SSL cert, that will be the main cert, the subordinates ev basically everything cascades down.

Leo Laporte (00:34:59):
That's right.

Caller Richard (00:35:00):
If, if I want to implement, say email encryption. That's right. I can do that

Leo Laporte (00:35:04):
Through That's right. Once you have, through a, yeah. Once you have your, your domain certified, you can, that will cascade down uhhuh. Now there are other authentication systems with email like D Kim, you know, this and SPF and stuff. So those are mm-hmm. <Affirmative> an additional layer of security. That's, that's a little more complicated. I I let Fast mail our sponsor Fast Mail handle that for me, <laugh>. But I do have, so, so for my website, Leo do fm, I have a Lets Encrypt script that runs It does it automatically, it's totally free. That is now getting a certification for Leo do fm that covers anything including email to leo.fm. And it's all certified. It's not encrypted. The website's encrypted. Email's not, but it's certified. You know, they, they can verify that I am leo.fm, in other words.

Caller Richard (00:35:55):
Okay. Ciph and for instance our, my my company's Microsoft 365 instance.

Leo Laporte (00:36:05):
That's an interesting question.

Caller Richard (00:36:06):
That would be a separate incident. A separate separate certificate. I think it's like a X 5 0 9. Or maybe I'm looking one

Leo Laporte (00:36:13):
Thing that's interesting. I am not an expert on that. If Russell Ark I were here, he could tell me how to do that. You would of course still get a certification for the top level to domain. Right. My company.com. And I believe you get an X 5 0 9 certificate that you can then apply. I believe you can get that from the certificate Authority. Yes. But I'm, I'm not sure, to be honest, I've never done that. So that's a good question. That's a question. Probably. You're doing your own it. This is why I have Russell, I'm, I'm <laugh> Russell's the Wizard pretty

Caller Richard (00:36:56):
Much. I'm, I'm, I'm helping out at a local high school and

Leo Laporte (00:37:00):
Oh, that's nice.

Caller Richard (00:37:02):
Security is very lax. Everything is just unencrypted and it's bothering me too. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:37:09):
I don't, I don't blame you. I don't blame you. But yeah. For instance, the site. Yeah. So they have Microsoft 365 and they have kids using their, their browsers to get in and yeah, you definitely wanna apply that. I think the X 5 0 9 is the cert that you get. I think you can get it from the certificate authority and apply it somewhere in those settings for your Microsoft server. That's a, that is a question I do not know the answer to. If somebody knows, if we got somebody who's used to running this, ant gives it the seal of approval <laugh>. But, but his, his seal of approval is good. Good for, good for help in the high school, which I agree. Yeah. Thumbs up on that. Yep. but I don't know. Absolutely. I don't know if I know enough. This is the problem, you know, you know more than anybody at that high school knows, but you still Exactly, you're still in a little mystery about what what am I doing here?

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I'm not sure. I'm not getting, I'm not getting any help from the chat room. Let me ask Russell, next time I see him, I see him every week. He comes by, he's our M msa. Yeah. I'm sorry. M s p he is the guy who sets this all up for us. You know, I initially in the early days, I set up the certificates for twit. I don't do that anymore. <Laugh>. I do it for myself, but I don't do it anymore. Yeah. I don't know if Let's encrypt would be right for the school. But the good news is certs have gotten less expensive. I think, and I think what you go is you go to, we get, I used to go to DigiCert I really like Digit Cert. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, Steve uses Digit Cert. But Russell said, you know, GoDaddy's cheaper and as much as I hate GoDaddy asserts, cert doesn't matter. And so, so we save money by going to GoDaddy. But if you go to Dig Cert or GoDaddy and look through the menus, there will be information about what you do. If you wanna cert, get a cert for your m m 365 instance, I think you'll, I think as part of getting the cert, you'll get the, the, the thing that you need. That X 5 0 9.

Caller Richard (00:39:11):
All right. A actually, Leo, I would like to thank you for your years of service. I've, I've been listening to Twit since the days of the Microsoft Zoom.

Leo Laporte (00:39:22):
Oh, my <laugh> somebody, somebody found a video we made of, when you remember they said you could squirt your Zoom songs mm-hmm. <Affirmative> to another person. Yes. We had somebody saved a video. Just recently posted a video of that somewhere in our forums. Hey, I, I really thank you for the kind words. I, I, I blush. Yes sir. I'm not very good at taking.

Caller Richard (00:39:45):
I've learned a lot.

Leo Laporte (00:39:46):
Thank you. I we're, we're really grateful to you and to all of our listeners all over this time. I mean, you know, our mission really is to support you and make it so that you can do the things you're doing, for instance, for your high school. So thank you for paying it forward and thank you for letting me know, cuz it makes me feel good. That's, that's the real reason we do it. Have a great day. You're quite

Caller Richard (00:40:11):
Welcome. Thank you.

Leo Laporte (00:40:12):
All right. Take care. Now let me see here. I think we have time for one more. We can go to Susan. I want to go to Susan. She's been very patient. She's got her hand up. Susan, we're gonna bring you in via the magic star gate. Yes. And get you on the show here. There, Susan. Hi Susan.

Caller Susan (00:40:36):
Hello.

Leo Laporte (00:40:36):
Where are you calling from?

Caller Susan (00:40:39):
I am in Longmont, Colorado.

Leo Laporte (00:40:41):
Nice. Our second Colorado of the is now Longmont up in up in the mountains there. You at a high altitude?

Caller Susan (00:40:49):
No, I'm about 20 minutes north of Boulder.

Leo Laporte (00:40:52):
Oh, I love Boulder Boulder's amazing. My kid went to school there. I really love Boulder. Nice.

Caller Susan (00:40:57):
Yes, I recall you saying that. Yeah, yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:40:59):
Yeah. Beautiful area. See

Caller Susan (00:40:59):
You at Boulder. Yeah, it's lovely. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:41:02):
Well, what can we do for you?

Caller Susan (00:41:06):
I retired about a, a year ago in January from a career in local government. And now I'm reinventing myself, <laugh> as a photo manager. And I recently got a request from a friend, longtime friend to come and photograph their family reunion. My friend is turning 80. Oh wow. And she would like me to just capture the weekend of events and then I suggested to her, cuz I always wanna provide more, wouldn't it be great to capture their stories? So I used to live on Maui for about 12 years. Wow. So she's paying my way back there to capture all this. And I said, why don't I interview you and your siblings and you can tell me what it's been like, you know, to grow up on the islands and, and whatnot. So my question has to do with the best way to capture these videos while I'm there.

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In, I've got a, I've got two cameras, an I Icon D 500 and a D eight 50. I haven't decided which one I'm, I'm gonna take with me yet, but I'm wondering if I need like an at AAM Mini and perhaps a video assist to help me see very clearly what I'm capturing, save it on a SD card perhaps. And or do I use the eight 10 Mini with O b s studio and capture it right to my MacBook Air? So I'm just trying to plan ahead. I I have played with the eight 10 Mini in a in my previous career. But it, it wasn't a lot. So I, I have the basic idea of, of how that all works.

Leo Laporte (00:42:50):
You're so, this is exciting. Amazing. You're such a good friend. You excited to tearing up Yeah. <Laugh>. Yeah. And what a great project to get these people. You're not gonna do a multi-camera shoot though, right? You're just gonna have one camera.

Caller Susan (00:43:01):
I I would like to bring two cameras. I also have a little Sony a 6,300. So I just wanna capture that. And I have a, a lapel mic and I also have a, a stick mic that can go on one of the

Leo Laporte (00:43:14):
Cameras. So you're gonna do this TV style, you're gonna have a picture of the person you're interviewing, a shot of you, maybe a wide shot of the two of you. And then Well, I don't

Caller Susan (00:43:23):
Need to be in it.

Leo Laporte (00:43:24):
Okay. So

Caller Susan (00:43:26):
So I, I wanna, I wanna have this where, you know, I, I pose them the questions and then maybe they repeat the question for the camera. Yeah. And you know, maybe I have a long shot, you know, maybe I sit all of the, the siblings on a couch and have a wide angle and then a zoom or something. You know, I, I I'm concerned. I'm

Leo Laporte (00:43:45):
I'm concerned that you're, cuz you're doing it all yourself or you're not gonna have an assistant for this, right?

Caller Susan (00:43:50):
Not unless I can grab somebody while I'm there. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:43:53):
Yeah. I'm concerned that you, the switcher is gonna take your concentration away. The AEM mini is a switcher. So you have several cameras and you can switch. My real concern on that is you're paying attention to this. I know have as somebody who switches his own show sometimes in fact in the beginning all the time that it, it takes a little bit of your attention away. Now I've gotten so I can do it. Okay. But it's, you really, I think for this, you want your full brain focused on what they're saying, what you're getting, what you're thinking. So my suggestion is not to use the aam not to worry about, cuz the reason you do as a switcher is so that you can get something that's done. Yeah. At the end of the interview it's done. And what I would suggest is you record on all the cameras iso that means they're each recording their own thing the whole time.

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Then at your leisure, you get home, you fire, fire up premiere or final cut and you've got the tracks and now you do the switching. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> because Gotcha. You've got the interview in, you know, you're really focused on listening to them. And cuz one of the most important things is you're gonna have those follow ups, right? You're gonna say, well, am am Matilda, you remember the time you went down to the sugar plantation and they gave you a cup of honey from the bees and you, and they, she starts talking and you're listening and she says something that triggers mm-hmm. <Affirmative> something you don't wanna be gone. Let me sweep camera one, camera two. You don't wanna be doing that. You wanna be listening and saying, oh, well tell me more about that. And, and, and you're gonna wanna watch the faces of all the people cuz they're gonna give you input when a's about to tell that story. She's gonna tell this story. You wanna know, you don't wanna be gone. There's that camera one, camera two. So record all of 'em. Right? I

Mikah Sargent (00:45:44):
Agree a hundred percent.

Leo Laporte (00:45:46):
Now this means more work for you in post.

Caller Susan (00:45:49):
No, and I I get that.

Leo Laporte (00:45:50):
Yeah. But that's better. I, in my opinion, than trying to do all. And what

Caller Susan (00:45:54):
About the video assist? Would that come in handy? At least on one camera.

Leo Laporte (00:45:58):
Yeah. So all the cameras have a way of seeing what you're seeing, right? So I don't think you need a video assist. I have a video assist. I I rarely use it. Right. Aunt you what? It's, it's really for a, a director <laugh> sitting there to see what the cuts are, but you're not cutting. Yeah. So you're gonna be able to see what each camera's getting and you're, I would suggest you set that all up ahead of time. Yes. And, and then you can just sit down and really look at them and focus on what they're saying and just, and just say, well, unless they move <laugh>, if they move, you're gonna have to say, hold on, I gotta move the camera. But as long as they stay where they, you know, roughly where they were, you can check from time to time. But I think if it's just you, the way I would do it, that's where an assistant might be helpful, is if you say, Hey cousin, cousin Ed, could you just make sure if anybody moves that we've got the camera pointed at their face. These are the three cameras. That way you can pay attention. Cousin Ed can make sure he is got the shots and that everything's recording. I, I would say as little challenge during the recording as possible.

Mikah Sargent (00:47:08):
Yeah. And, and I think if you're going to allocate any of this budget that you're thinking about allocating it would be to a good audio record recorder,

Leo Laporte (00:47:16):
Audio key.

Mikah Sargent (00:47:17):
So yeah, you know, you're thinking about using the lapel mic and another mic. Make sure that the audio that you're capturing not necessarily into the camera but to its own device, that way you do have that audio that's separate. So even if something were to God forbid go wrong with the video, you would have that.

Leo Laporte (00:47:35):
Well and even and even then, good, good video requires good audio. Absolutely.

Mikah Sargent (00:47:41):
People

Leo Laporte (00:47:41):
Are listening to what Anne Ethel's saying. That's more, that's, IM the most important thing. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, what I would recommend looking at Zoom makes a variety of really useful tools. I have. And I I, I have it at home. The Zoom F three, this is for two microphones, but they make, that's only, that's 300 bucks. But they make an F five for more microphones. And this is just an audio recorder, but it's a 32 bit float audio recorder. And we've talked about that on the show before. You cannot overdrive it so you don't have to worry about how loud they are. You can overdrive the microphone. Maybe not, I don't lapel Mikey. I guess that's all right. But gen but these require professional mics. You know, the cannon plugs, the plug in. You can get zooms that have multi-directional microphones when all about Android went down to Google.

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That's right. For that interview. <Laugh> it case everything else failed. We had a zoom with, with multi-directional microphones on the table so we'd at least get the audio. And that does a pretty good job. It's gonna have a lot of room sound in it. So the close, the lapel mic would be better. You know, notice how we do it. We have these big fat mics in our face, <laugh> and that's cuz I hate TV audio. I never knew how bad t dv audio was until Meet the Press. Did a podcast, just an audio podcast and I listened to it.

Caller Susan (00:49:08):
Well, I'm hiding mine.

Leo Laporte (00:49:11):
<Laugh>. Yeah, you sound really good. I know you know what you're doing. So you know, I would even consider doing something like this, you know, sitting him down and having good microphones connected to a Zoom field recorder. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Now you're gonna have superb audio and you're gonna have video of all of them.

Mikah Sargent (00:49:31):
And all of the applications that are out there, there's these big applications. They all have features built in that help you with this multi-cam thing. You may already be aware of this. So syncing it up will all kind of, it almost is always automatic, which is great. Maybe some slight adjustments that you make. And also we'll include in the show notes and his linked to a video that he did about Multicam editing in Premiere. So if you choose to use Premiere aunt Pruitt can help you out with that, with his video. So

Leo Laporte (00:49:59):
Both Final cut, that would be great. Let you do multi cam as if you were sitting there after the fact. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:50:06):
So you can switch.

Leo Laporte (00:50:07):
You got all the videos and now you can focus on the switching without an 18 minute, you do it at your keyboard, but you can go, okay, camera one. Okay. Now camera two Oh here. Ka Ethel camera three. You could do that too.

Caller Susan (00:50:19):
Great. And then since an is around maybe he can guide me is the D 500 or the D eight 50, what would be his preference that I take? They're both 50. And then the other smaller one I would do is the Sony a 6,300. I'm seeing

Leo Laporte (00:50:34):
Thoughts

Caller Susan (00:50:36):
8 50, 8 50.

Leo Laporte (00:50:37):
He says he likes the, the bigger the number the better. Right. <laugh> <laugh>. Better sensor. Better sensor. It's a better sensor. And I think they both do good video. Remember you don't, on a full frame sensor is more than 4k, so you've got extra pixels. So even an APSC is gonna give you excellent video. Okay. I think you're, I think all and either of those or both with, I would say bring all three of them. And then you have, you, you need tripods. So spend money on tripods and sound put 'em on the tripods and then make sure I

Caller Susan (00:51:14):
May see if I can find a place out there to rent them for the day or something. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:51:18):
Yeah, yeah. You don't wanna ship tripods. I, I had a good friend of professional photographer who said, I don't ever bring a tripod with me. I buy the cheapest tripod I could find and I leave it by <laugh> <laugh>. Cause a tripod is just something to hold. It's steady, you know, it doesn't really exactly need to be carbon fiber lightweight with a head and all that. So yeah, I think setting up, say three cameras and having them sit on a couch, say, don't move too much. Lapel mics are fine. These kinds would be even better. And and the problem is of course, you know, lighting, you don't wanna make it too unnatural of a setting or they get really self-conscious. So do it during the day maybe even outside where there's nice, nice natural lighting or at least big windows so you can get a lot of light in there. I think you're gonna have something very special. You're already doing a better job than most people. And what

Susan Partner (00:52:11):
I dunno about it, doing it outside in Maui with all the

Leo Laporte (00:52:14):
Wind. All the wind. Too much wind, huh? So, yeah. Yeah. Natural light, but indoors. Yeah. Big light. Maybe they have a bay window somewhere, and you can sit 'em, not in the bay window, but you want the light coming in from the side next

Caller Susan (00:52:25):
To, yeah. So I'll, I'll have to plan that a little bit. What she's planning to do is she's, there's a new campground, which didn't exist when I, I lived there. I, I left in 93, so I've actually been in Colorado since then. But it's, it, it has a bunch of tens, so it's not glamping to that extent. There's cots and then you have a, a wooden canopy, kind of.

Leo Laporte (00:52:51):
Nice. Is that on North Shore? Where is that?

Caller Susan (00:52:53):
In Ola Wall. Oh, nice. So it's in between Laina and Malia. So

Leo Laporte (00:53:00):
Really nice. Maui is, oh yeah, Maui. I was thinking Wahoo. Maui. Maui's fantastic. Yeah. Laina, I love that area. Yeah.

Caller Susan (00:53:08):
So it's, it's gonna be a new experience for me as well. But she's renting 11 of them and bringing all her, her her family together. And so it's gonna be amazing. I just can't wait, you know. Nice. It's gonna be

Leo Laporte (00:53:21):
Awesome. Yeah. Look at Zoom. Ideally you'd like a separate audio track, each person. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> separate microphone for each person, and a separate camera for each person. And then now you get to completely control what you get after the fact. In fact, you can silence everybody else if they're, or you could turn 'em up if they're laughing. You know, you can re you can really control the thing. That sounds wonderful. Sounds really great.

Caller Susan (00:53:44):
Okay. Well, good. Best. I was a little hesitant to, to take my eight 50 just because I, I use it in my camera scanning setup for my, my photo management company. So, yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:53:55):
That's your work camera. That's a good camera.

Caller Susan (00:53:57):
That's my work camera.

Leo Laporte (00:53:58):
Yeah. Very good. Camera. So when you say photo management you're talking prints of art and stuff, or?

Caller Susan (00:54:06):
No. so I help people do a lot of things as far as organizing maintaining digitizing archiving, backing up their photos, whether it's a print collection, negative slides. I also can help people, you know, declutter and de-dupe their, their current photo libraries, whether it's Apple or Android. Oh, how great. What a great service. That's great. Great. It's the organized, sort and backup. Basically. You're still three steps

Leo Laporte (00:54:37):
That I You're still doing public service, aren't you? Yeah. Really is. That's really great. I love that.

Caller Susan (00:54:41):
Yeah. Well, you know, media is starting to degrade and That's right. People are save it. Are losing their tapes. Yeah. So I also do video conversions and things like that. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:54:53):
That's really great. That's great. Well, it's so nice to talk to you, Susan. Thank you so much. Thank you. You wanna put out, give out your your, do, are you interested in more clients? You have a website you wanna promote for people on Longmont? Oh, yes. Yeah.

Caller Susan (00:55:08):
I would love to do that cuz I'm, I'm always able to help people wherever they are, you know, with remote technology today. Cool. So my business is save a memory photo.

Leo Laporte (00:55:22):
Save a memory photo. What a great address. <Laugh>. All right. I just typed it in. Look at that. Good for you. This is a great little business you got here. Maybe not so little. This is a great big business you got here. This is great. We need this. And I, you know, after doing this radio show for 20 years, I know how much people want this. This is, we're all sitting on boxes of photos and, and stuff that

Caller Susan (00:55:48):
We wanna say. Well, and to see my client's face and reaction when I give them back this nice package. Like you just passed that screen there. Where it, I took all those photo albums out of the, out of those photo albums. I, I used my camera to capture them all. I do photo editing, color correction, wow. Cropping. And then they go back into those archival quality boxes. And so when I show people that, you know, I've added the metadata, I, I backdate the scans so it comes in, in the thirties or the forties. Oh, that's

Mikah Sargent (00:56:23):
Awesome.

Caller Susan (00:56:24):
So when they upload it to any current library structure, you know, they can go back and see their, their photos from any, any generation. How did

Leo Laporte (00:56:32):
You get into this? This is really interesting.

Caller Susan (00:56:35):
It just ties my, my my love for photography and my background in, in it. So I've been in it well over 30 years. I taught myself graphic design in the nineties and then web web design from H T M L and oh my goodness. And then I became the city's webmaster for 24 years. And that's what I retired from. Wow. But then it also included learning video, social media accessibility, just you name it. So I'm now taking all those skills and massaging it into this photography organization management.

Leo Laporte (00:57:15):
This is why I love our audience. I am amazed. Isn't it amazing? Yeah. Susan, thank you Susan much. Save a memory. Dot photo is her website. I bet you're gonna be a few people calling you. That's really great.

Caller Susan (00:57:28):
Glad. Thank you so much. I've been watching you since probably 2007 or eight whenever you got started. Nice. So well

Leo Laporte (00:57:35):
I got started in 1883, but

Mikah Sargent (00:57:38):
We got some photos from back then. You could send Susan's wife.

Leo Laporte (00:57:41):
We did, you know, my sister and I did this with our family photos. We had slides. My, my mom and dad loved taking slides. So we had carousel after carousel or maybe 30 different Kodak carousels. And, you know, my mom had 'em in the closet and we would have slideshow once every fun 10 years, we'd have a slideshow. So I said, mom, you know, can I please take 'em? She said, no, no, no. Finally my sister came over, she said, I'm taking them. Got 'em scanned. Everybody has 'em. Everybody in the family has 'em. They got nicely cleaned up. And then the latest thing I did, my mom's 90 now, is I got her a nice big screen Amazon Echo, and I set it up so it's on my account so that it has all of those, there's more than a thousand photos. That's great. And, and, and every time I call her, she said, I just saw a picture of you, <laugh> and your sister when you were four. She loves them. She, it's for her at her age. Cuz her memory's kind of going, just having that continuous slideshow. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> of memories. I just warms her heart and it makes me so happy. So this is a great service you're providing. I think it's so cool.

Caller Susan (00:58:47):
And with the new AI features in Lightroom and, and Photoshop, and I have some other software I use, I can even take, you know, scans of negatives and slides that we thought back then were like, lost the bomb diggity. Right? Yeah. You know, they were so sharp and clear. Oh. But yet they weren't <laugh>. Yeah. They're terrible. But now I can sharpen your faces and just make it look like it was taken yesterday with an iPhone. So

Leo Laporte (00:59:12):
This is one area where AI is really remarkable. Yeah. And Adobe's firefly, and they're, they've just added now new AI features

Dick DeBartolo (00:59:20):
Generative

Caller Susan (00:59:20):
Fill.

Leo Laporte (00:59:21):
Generative. Yeah. Yeah. That is incredible. You can outhill mind blowing pictures and stuff. This is really a good use of ai, I think. Yeah. Yes. Thank you, Susan. Thank you.

Dick DeBartolo (00:59:31):
Let us know how it

Leo Laporte (00:59:31):
Goes. Send us some Right. You're bomb diggity. Yes. You're bomb diggity. Thank you, Susan. All right. I tell you what, that was a nice, that was great way to do a call. And now we're gonna bring in another bomb Diggity <laugh>. Our, our our own Gizz whizz himself. Dick de Bartolo, mad Magazines Mattis writer. He does the Gizz Fizz every Wednesday after this week in Google. Wednesday evenings around 5:00 PM Pacific, 8:00 PM Eastern Time. And he joins us every month with a gadget or a gizmo. Hi, Dickey. D

Dick DeBartolo (01:00:07):
Hello Le. How are you? I'm showing you off my new mic here. <Laugh>. This is the <laugh> Professional, the pro mic. Wow. Yeah. It's, it's pretty interesting. Pro Mike X It's, it's, it's a prototype. No, that's the plus. Oh, that's Proli

Leo Laporte (01:00:23):
X was, it's just 45 degree difference. I like

Dick DeBartolo (01:00:26):
The cord. It's Braided Brady.

Leo Laporte (01:00:28):
Oh, all Dennis upstairs with that. What do you do with that?

Dick DeBartolo (01:00:31):
Exactly? Yeah. You know, I used to use string, but it's amazing when you switch to a thicker rope <laugh>, the quality goes, did you

Leo Laporte (01:00:39):
Do that as a kid? Even as a kid, I thought this is the dumbest thing ever. You take two tin cans and connecting with string and you talk to 'em. Oh, I did. Did you ever do that? Yeah, I, yes, you did that too.

Dick DeBartolo (01:00:51):
Absolutely. I, yeah, I, all those little tricks and things I would see in little

Leo Laporte (01:00:55):
Magazines and I, I always wanted a walkie talkie. I was always Oh, I

Dick DeBartolo (01:00:58):
Had that too.

Leo Laporte (01:00:59):
Yeah. I was always more and

Dick DeBartolo (01:01:00):
A, and a CB radio

Leo Laporte (01:01:02):
CB breaker breaker one nine <laugh>. Well, what do you got? What am I gonna spend money?

Dick DeBartolo (01:01:07):
I have I two. Are you gonna, you are gonna wanna buy this first gadget. Okay. So pep com, two weeks ago, pep com had a show here in a city called Home Now, well, now with gadgets for the home in the bedroom and the, do you know the company Zox?

Leo Laporte (01:01:25):
Yeah, I know that name. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (01:01:27):
Oh, okay. Zox bills, they originally were doing hearing aids Yes. Where they could take conversation and blur the background noise. And then one time the c e o Tom said, you know, if we made a soundbar using this, people could hear dialogue in the movie and then suppress the background and hear dialogue

Leo Laporte (01:01:50):
Better. Oh. I get so many calls from people saying, help me. I can't hear what's going on.

Dick DeBartolo (01:01:55):
Well, this is why this is especially good for you. So when Covid started, what do you,

Leo Laporte (01:02:00):
What do you mean for me, <laugh>?

Dick DeBartolo (01:02:03):
No, no, you'll listen to the rest of the story.

Leo Laporte (01:02:06):
Go ahead. Covid started. Yes,

Dick DeBartolo (01:02:08):
Tom's mother is in her nineties. And since they were not seeing each other in person Yeah. He sent her an iPod.

Leo Laporte (01:02:16):
Very nice.

Dick DeBartolo (01:02:17):
Okay. And they would talk and the mother kept saying, I love seeing you. I have trouble hearing

Leo Laporte (01:02:24):
You. My mom says the same thing.

Dick DeBartolo (01:02:26):
So he said, let me,

Leo Laporte (01:02:28):
I got her headphones and I always have to say, mom, use the old iPad that has a headphone jack. Oh, wow. Because she has a new one. Doesn't have a headphones Jack, when we talk on FaceTime, and she can wear the headphones, but you know what, this might be better.

Dick DeBartolo (01:02:41):
So he said, let's take the technology out of the soundbar. Yeah. And build a little cordless Bluetooth speaker.

Leo Laporte (01:02:49):
I'm sending this to mom right now. Oh.

Dick DeBartolo (01:02:51):
Because it's not, this is great conversation Boost feature. Got it. Exactly. Exactly. It also has a hardwired input if you need it, but it's Bluetooth. I've been using it just for a week now, and I love it. So I have two ways for you to get discounts on this. Okay. Okay. It, it's $99, however, right now, if you buy it, you can get free earbuds with Accu Voice built in, or headphones. Both of them will be $99. Or you can wait till June 1st. And on their website only, it's going to be 59 point 99. Oh. For this, for the speaker itself.

Leo Laporte (01:03:35):
Oh, I'm, I'll just wait a couple of days. That's not, that's good.

Dick DeBartolo (01:03:39):
Not far away. Yeah. And, and also Tom told me that Home Shopping Network has it on their website for $65 plus some shipping. So it's called, so

Leo Laporte (01:03:51):
You pair this via Bluetooth to your device, your iPad? Yes. Or whatever. And it, and it's a speaker, but it's a speaker that, that focuses on the voice

Dick DeBartolo (01:04:02):
Of Yes. And, and a built-in mic. So you just, okay, so it's like a headset, but speaker instead of the headset. Exactly. So when you phone rings, this rings, and then you just to, you don't have to pick your phone up, you just talk through Oh, this. Oh. So it's kinda like a conference phone, but yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:04:19):
Just small. The Amazon listing says it's the Zox AV 70 speaker phone with hearing aid technology, microphone, conference speaker, rechargeable battery, wireless Bluetooth connectivity to listen to movies and music from tablet, iPhone, laptop, or tv. Would you say that's accurate?

Dick DeBartolo (01:04:33):
I would say that that's accurate. Okay. But don't buy it there if you want the

Leo Laporte (01:04:36):
Discount. No, I'm gonna save 30 bucks. Yeah, yeah. No,

Dick DeBartolo (01:04:39):
Yeah. AB absolutely. Save 40 bucks. I think it's 59 point 99. Your,

Leo Laporte (01:04:43):
Your math is better than mine. Yeah. Very good. Very

Dick DeBartolo (01:04:46):
Good. Now the other thing, I'm just telling you this because you're not gonna run out and buy this. There was a company there called Bright Selling the $7,000 mattress. Okay. Wow. With 90 pods inside. Well,

Leo Laporte (01:05:07):
If it's got 90 pods, I'm in <laugh>.

Dick DeBartolo (01:05:10):
What do the pods do? Dickie d Well, it will, as you shift around the pods can level your body back out again so that your shoulder doesn't hurt or what? It can do a bit of lifting if you start snoring. Oh, it said that there's a third party app that you can use that will tell the mattress when to start lifting your body. You can fall asleep to sounds. And if you want, the mattress can also make motions that match the sound.

Mikah Sargent (01:05:44):
Oh wow. So wait a minute. Back on a wave in the ocean. Wait a

Dick DeBartolo (01:05:47):
Minute. <Laugh>. <laugh>. Well, you only have, I believe you only have 45 pods. So

Leo Laporte (01:05:54):
Really it's, these aren't pods. These are magic fingers. It's got 90 magic fingers in the bed. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (01:06:00):
Well, they look more than fingers. They're quite, you know, they cover the whole mattress. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:06:05):
90 magic fists. There's the title

Dick DeBartolo (01:06:08):
<Laugh>. Exactly. There you

Leo Laporte (01:06:09):
Go. Wow. Yeah, but that's expensive. Six. Did you buy one?

Dick DeBartolo (01:06:13):
No. What are you kidding? That would take a, I would have to move the furniture outta my house. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:06:18):
Get, it'd have to take the roof off and lower my crane.

Dick DeBartolo (01:06:21):
I, I, I, I, I said to the guy, I said, I'm very interested in this. If you can build one no bigger than this <laugh>,

Mikah Sargent (01:06:30):
Just for your head

Leo Laporte (01:06:31):
Just

Dick DeBartolo (01:06:32):
For your head. Couple.

Leo Laporte (01:06:33):
Did you get on it though? Did you try it?

Dick DeBartolo (01:06:35):
I did not. Oh, there were people jumping on it constantly. Yeah. So I, I just, I I just spoke to the guy. Yeah. but also there were five cities. It's, it's on the company website and the the link to their website is on my website. There are five in five cities now, there are some high-end hotels that have these in the rooms. So if you wanted, oh, I'd

Leo Laporte (01:06:58):
Like spend Oh, to try that.

Mikah Sargent (01:07:00):
I would like, yeah. Yours

Dick DeBartolo (01:07:01):
Com Spent a night on one. Can

Leo Laporte (01:07:03):
You see the mattress moving? I mean, does it look like it's alive?

Dick DeBartolo (01:07:06):
No.

Leo Laporte (01:07:07):
Oh, no. Oh God. They

Dick DeBartolo (01:07:09):
<Laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (01:07:09):
It would be a little scary. You'd see this undulating.

Leo Laporte (01:07:11):
Honey. Yes.

Dick DeBartolo (01:07:12):
Yes. It, yes,

Leo Laporte (01:07:13):
Yes. It would be, those are little magic fists in the beds. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (01:07:16):
Here. Oh, use SoFi. Okay.

Dick DeBartolo (01:07:17):
Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:07:18):
Well

Mikah Sargent (01:07:18):
That's a really, what's SoFi? Sofi is a, an audio service that you can listen to music that's got, you know, the binaural audio and all that magic. So it looks like it's pairing with them or partnering with them to provide the sound. And then of course, doing those motions.

Leo Laporte (01:07:35):
You didn't know that. Maybe you did Dick, but this guy here, Mr. Micah Sergeant is a kind of a sleep boss.

Mikah Sargent (01:07:41):
I, I see

Leo Laporte (01:07:42):
He's a big fan of the sleep.

Mikah Sargent (01:07:44):
I do a lot of research on sleep. Okay. <laugh>. I used to have a subscription to the Journal Sleep. That's how much I was to it. Wow. Oh my

Dick DeBartolo (01:07:51):
God.

Mikah Sargent (01:07:52):
Really? Sleep is,

Dick DeBartolo (01:07:53):
I subscribe to that because I would read it and fall asleep on the second page. <Laugh>. It works.

Leo Laporte (01:07:58):
It does work. Dual action. Yes.

Dick DeBartolo (01:08:00):
Magazine. Exactly. I

Mikah Sargent (01:08:02):
Once thought about just reading it very quietly for a podcast, but then I thought the copyright issues would be <laugh>. I don't wanna mess around with that.

Leo Laporte (01:08:09):
Smr, sleep Journal. <Laugh>, I you know, 6,300 for a mattress sounds like a lot, but actually high-end mattresses, like Tempur-Pedics are that expensive. I mean and this So is it, it's it's electronic.

Dick DeBartolo (01:08:22):
Yeah. A a Absolutely. Absolutely. And of course, the app keeps track of everything you need to know in your sleep. I think

Mikah Sargent (01:08:31):
Got them in San Francisco, so

Leo Laporte (01:08:33):
I don't Yeah, I wanna try it.

Dick DeBartolo (01:08:35):
There you go. I

Leo Laporte (01:08:36):
Wanna try. There you go. I don't, it might get in a fight with my h sleep. You just like, no, no. I'm in charge. No, I'm in charge. Yeah,

Dick DeBartolo (01:08:43):
I imagine can be your mattress <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:08:46):
You have to pick one Sleep technology and stick with it. Very cool. Very cool. Excellent. We all, isn't it some, it's telling that we're all looking for better night's sleep. Uhhuh, <affirmative>.

Mikah Sargent (01:08:55):
I mean, it's

Dick DeBartolo (01:08:56):
Absolutely third of our

Mikah Sargent (01:08:58):
Life. We spend sleeping a quarter, something like that. That's a

Dick DeBartolo (01:09:02):
Sleep age. 16, 24 or third. If you get eight hours sleep. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:09:08):
Dick d go. If you wanna know more about either of these things, go to his website. In fact, he's got that coupon for the Zox. You gotta get it there. G I z w I z.biz GWiz biz. That's not the only reason to go to gwiz.biz, though. He also has the what what the heck, heck is it contest A chance to win an autograph copy of Mad Magazine. And this one ends at the end of June. So you end of

Dick DeBartolo (01:09:36):
June. Have some time.

Mikah Sargent (01:09:38):
I know what this is. No you don't. Yeah, it's an earlobe. Piercer.

Leo Laporte (01:09:41):
Oh, that's handy. You just push. You never know when

Mikah Sargent (01:09:44):
You there. And yet

Leo Laporte (01:09:44):
People come over and you just pierce. Seriously.

Mikah Sargent (01:09:46):
Sometimes people won't through Ear Pierce. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:09:48):
We all have two of them. <Laugh>, you know, just gimme

Mikah Sargent (01:09:51):
One. Just gimme one ear.

Leo Laporte (01:09:52):
Just take, all I need is one ear. Okay.

Mikah Sargent (01:09:54):
You can try it on your nose. I don't know if it'd work.

Leo Laporte (01:09:57):
Oh yeah. Don't Only ears, please. <Laugh>. No, I don't think that's

Mikah Sargent (01:10:02):
What that is. It's not what it's at all.

Leo Laporte (01:10:04):
I don't, it It looks electrical.

Mikah Sargent (01:10:07):
It does.

Leo Laporte (01:10:07):
Looks like it's got a smile. I don't know what it is, but that's what the, that's

Mikah Sargent (01:10:12):
Fun. The heck is it? I don't know. The

Leo Laporte (01:10:13):
Fun of it is, what the heck is it? Get the right answer. Y or the wrong answer, actually. So the way it works is there are six autographed mad magazines for the right answer. And if more than six people guess it, then he'll do a drawing. But there's up to 12 for the wrong answer. If it's funny, judges' decisions are final. All the rules, the information, the picture, and how to play@thewebsitegizz.biz. So viz click the giz whizz visits the tech guys for the information about the mattress and the speaker and the, what the heck is it? There's also other stuff that the gadgets dick shows on the world news now. And Dick's got all sorts of fun merch, including Mad Magazine and Match Game Collectibles. And there's a link there also to his fabulous show, GIZ Show with OMG Chad at GWiz tv. There's a ton of stuff. Looks like you were just on ABC again recently. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (01:11:11):
Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:11:12):
Okay. What'd show?

Dick DeBartolo (01:11:14):
Let's see. Last time I cannot remember how, you know, I could go to

Leo Laporte (01:11:17):
The website and find out <laugh>. Yeah,

Dick DeBartolo (01:11:19):
Exactly. <Laugh>. Shall

Leo Laporte (01:11:21):
I check for

Dick DeBartolo (01:11:21):
You? Oh, look,

Leo Laporte (01:11:23):
A portable baby rocker fits any Oh

Dick DeBartolo (01:11:26):
Yeah. Yes. That's looks like

Leo Laporte (01:11:27):
A rocket. Okay. Yes. Then to go along with that, whoosh. Which is eight sounds of whooshing. The whooshing, the whoosh. A pepper Mill. Ooh, this looks good. Oh.

Dick DeBartolo (01:11:38):
Ooh. You better, that's clever. Yeah. That's what you, you say?

Leo Laporte (01:11:41):
Yeah, you had me at Mill two for the barbecue. Look at that. They look like fish skeletons, but they're not. Oh, you're doing all sorts of fun stuff. It's a summertime gadget thing.

Dick DeBartolo (01:11:54):
That, that was summertime right now I'm doing next time. It's outdoor gadgets and then gadgets to make your life easier. Oh. So I started doing two ga, two spots at one time. That way you only have to go in every other month because it

Leo Laporte (01:12:08):
Is the middle of the night. Right?

Dick DeBartolo (01:12:09):
Yeah, exactly. Oh, and well, middle of the night's good for me.

Leo Laporte (01:12:13):
<Laugh>, he stays up.

Dick DeBartolo (01:12:14):
He's, well see that's cuz you don't have the 90 mattress.

Leo Laporte (01:12:16):
Fists need the mattress with fists.

Dick DeBartolo (01:12:18):
Yeah. Yeah. <Laugh>. Exactly.

Leo Laporte (01:12:20):
Thank you. Dickie D Buddy is.

Dick DeBartolo (01:12:23):
Thank you. Good talking to you guys. Guys. See you Wednesday, you next month. Bye. Bye. Bye. I'll see you Wednesday. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:12:28):
I see you every week. Yeah. Okay. Bye. Bye. Bye. Yeah. Don't forget our show today brought to you by Look Out. Look

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Caller Paul (01:14:57):
Hey, Le and Micah Paul here from Brooklyn, New York. Okay, quick question. Yes. I just purchased an apartment here and Brooklyn for being here for almost 20 years. And the apartment doesn't come with an oven. Before I put one in, I wanted to get us a countertop oven and I like the June oven, but it don't seem to be for sale anymore. I believe they were purchased by Weber. I was wondering if you knew anything about them. And it you had any other recommendations for a smart countertop oven? Possibly one that could be bread. Great. Bye. This,

Leo Laporte (01:15:32):
I'm so glad, Leo, you're here because you like all these fun. I had two in my life. Goofy. Two different June ovens, <laugh>. I have the latest, I think they're still for sale. June oven.com. So the idea of this is it's an oven with Android you know, a toaster oven. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, but it's got Android built in and it's got a camera in there and it's got all, it's got little scales in the feet. It's got, it's got a little probe. So it's a smart oven's. The idea, oh, they're sold out on the site. All three models are sold out the site. Oh, I'm sure they'll get more. You know, I had to wait. They're expensive too. Although the prices dropped considerably from when I bought my first one. First one was 1500 bucks. Who I think the last one I got is half that.

(01:16:19):
But now here's a cool thing about the June. It does a lot of stuff. It's not just a plain old toaster oven. They have fans in there. So it can be in a convection oven, which means it can also be an air fryer cuz that's all an air fryer is, is a convection oven <laugh>. But they have you, you can get special grids to hold the food and pl like if you hadn't been nu nuggets, you, you put the trays in and the things with the nuggets in the thing, the nugget tray and then it blows the air around. I see. You can even make like dried fruit. You could use it as a dehydrator that, I guess you know it cuz it's got very precise temperature control. The camera's nice. I could actually show you. Oh, is there something I can show you a video of what was cooked last in my June oven. I don't know what it was, but it takes videos of everything you cook and then you can, you can replay them. Time lapses them,

Mikah Sargent (01:17:12):
Which is useful because

Leo Laporte (01:17:14):
No use whatsoever. It is kind of fun to see at least whatsoever. So let's see. The last thing we did was we toasted some bread this morning at eight 13. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (01:17:23):
So you're using this regularly?

Leo Laporte (01:17:25):
Oh yeah. It is your oven. It's a toast oven. Look, I can watch the bread toast. Wow. How is isn't that great? There's

Mikah Sargent (01:17:30):
Not a speed up or do you watch it in slowmo? It

Leo Laporte (01:17:32):
Took 11 minutes. Well that seems like a long time. That's a

Mikah Sargent (01:17:35):
Long time. My toaster taste. That

Leo Laporte (01:17:36):
Would be the negative. It is, it is. That was the speed up. I guess. It is. Somebody's eaten. The toast is gone. You pulled it out. That is the negative of this. It toaster is a faster thing to toast. Don't get it as a toaster. I gave one to my mom though because she can put in like fish sticks and it's, look, it has a camera and it says that's fish sticks. Oh, okay. And then do you want me to cook fish sticks and you say yes and you push. Okay. And it knows how to cook. Fish sticks. Sometimes it'll say move the move the grill. What do they call that? Oh, that's smart. Insert the

Mikah Sargent (01:18:08):
Tray.

Leo Laporte (01:18:09):
There's a name for that. I don't know. Oh, the rack. The, the rack. Thank you. Oven rack. Move the oven. <Laugh>. I'm such an idiot. You know what, the ti hat's so tight. That's what it is. It's cutting off circulation in my brain. Anyway. You put the rack in the middle, it'll tell you. Sometimes I'll put it to the top. Sometimes they'll say stick in the probe. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So like if you're gonna roast a chicken, you put in a whole chicken. It says, oh that's a chicken. Yes. Yes it is. Do you wanna roast that chicken? I do. And you say Yes I would. It says well then take it out. Okay. Put the rack on the bottom. Okay. Now it preheats. Cuz that's why I wanted to take it out cuz go preheat the oven and then it goes, says okay now stick the probe in the chicken and put it back in.

(01:18:49):
And then it does the whole thing automatically. Wow. Best thing for some reason unknown. Lisa likes Brussels sprouts. Unknown. Why? I love Brussels sprouts. But she likes some roasted Right. Cut up some Brussels sprouts. Put 'em in there. It says zep Brussels sprouts. You say. Yes. Absolutely. It's absolutely it is. And it cooks it perfectly every time. So there is an advantage to the June. The disadvantage is its price and then you can't get them right now. But I think that's probably a temporary cuz they still have the website up. It, it does everything you'd want. You can even get a pizza stone for

Mikah Sargent (01:19:22):
It. Would you recommend this over just getting a standard oven? No around the same price. Get,

Leo Laporte (01:19:26):
Get a, get a get a real oven. Get a Breville toaster oven. That's what we have here. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Do you like our toaster oven? Yeah. Have you ever used it? Yeah. Yeah. I've

Mikah Sargent (01:19:34):
Reheated things in it. I would get

Leo Laporte (01:19:35):
A standard toaster.

Mikah Sargent (01:19:37):
So you think that, that this person should not even go forgetting? It's

Leo Laporte (01:19:40):
Pretty expensive.

Mikah Sargent (01:19:41):
Well, no, I'm saying go buy an actual real oven

Leo Laporte (01:19:45):
That Well it sounds like he doesn't have, you know. Oh, you think there's

Mikah Sargent (01:19:48):
Brooklyn's a space?

Leo Laporte (01:19:48):
Okay. Have you ever been to a kitchen in New York? No, I have not. They're this pig. You should ask Dick next time. Dickson. We'll say show us your's. Your oven. He says I can't, it's my bathroom. <Laugh>. It's their kitchens in New York. Notoriously tight. Got it. And so maybe he doesn't have an oven at all

Mikah Sargent (01:20:03):
Because there's not even room.

Leo Laporte (01:20:04):
The June is, the June is big. It's than the Breville. It's bigger enough to put a small chicken. Or you could roast a a, a dinner in there. What is John? What do you wanna

Mikah Sargent (01:20:14):
John likes air fryers.

Leo Laporte (01:20:15):
He, it's a good air. You could get an air fryer problem. It's a counterspace, right? Yeah. So he wants to get one thing that's gonna do it all. That's the June. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. It's a little gimmicky. I mean, but

Mikah Sargent (01:20:26):
At the same time, the fact that he, okay, so when you first said the camera, I thought, okay, that's a little silly. But it's actually recognizing food. It

Leo Laporte (01:20:31):
Recognize it and cooks it appropriately. Yeah. That's handy. Same thing with you know, dehydrating and other things. And they get, they have new recipes all the time. I've actually cooked a steak in there as an experiment cuz I really prefer to grill steak. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But as an experiment. And it, and you can get, it's an added price for the accessory. But they have a thick iron, cast iron Oh. With, you know, ridges, Uhhuh <affirmative> thing. So it's like

Mikah Sargent (01:21:00):
For grilling Actually.

Leo Laporte (01:21:01):
For grilling, yeah. And you put the steak in the camera, says that's the steak. You wanna cook a steak and you say yes. Well let's take it out. Put in the, the, the, the cast iron grill accessory. It gets it really, really hot. Right. Heat sit to like 400 degrees. Then it says stick the probe in the steak. Okay. Put the steak on there and it goes immediately sizzling like you're grilling it. That's cool. So you get, you get that effect. Like, what is it? The mak the ma maur mal mau myar myar effect. That's the myar effect. You Mau effect <laugh>. The Maui effect. You get the myar effect, which is, you know, when it, when it cooks the fat and stuff and it gets crispy a little bit on the outside. And then it tells you, it says flip it over now has a nice little chime. Uhhuh <affirmative>. You flip it over and then because it's got a probe, it knows when it's exactly right. So you told it by the way. I told it. Rare, medium, rare. Well done. So it knows exactly. And actually it was pretty good. It's not as good as on a grill cause you don't have the smoke. But it was perfect. The, my artifact was perfect. It really did a nice job. So yeah. I like the j like

Mikah Sargent (01:22:00):
And if you make a lot of bread, it's also a proofing drawer for it

Leo Laporte (01:22:04):
To be. Yeah. It's really, the funny thing is, the thing we use it most for is toast. And it's not great for toast <laugh>. It's 11 minutes. One

Mikah Sargent (01:22:11):
Thing you,

Leo Laporte (01:22:12):
The one thing it's not great for is toast because it's just toasting toast. And a toaster oven is slow. Yeah. Compared to putting in a toaster. So if, if you have enough counter space, get a toaster too. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And then if you really, if you eat a lot of hot dogs, those little things where you put the hotdog in and the buns in and it cooks it. Yeah. That's a good thing to get. And then if you're getting that, you should probably get the popcorn Popp.

Mikah Sargent (01:22:32):
And you might as well get a SousVide

Leo Laporte (01:22:34):
Tank. <Laugh>. No. The June oven. If you're gonna get one thing that's gonna do everything for you, except for anything you do on a stove top, that's pretty good. You might then want to get, and you can get these, an induction, a single induction

Mikah Sargent (01:22:47):
Burner. Yes. Let's get an induction burner. I've got one of those that I whip out all the time. Yeah. Even though I've got my full stove and oven, I whip out the

Leo Laporte (01:22:54):
Fast way to boil water. Super. That's what I use. The

Mikah Sargent (01:22:57):
Pasta. Yeah. Or some other thing that needs

Leo Laporte (01:22:59):
To boil. So maybe. And then you've got, you've got a pretty complete kitchen with this June oven and a induction. What about that

Mikah Sargent (01:23:05):
One thing you've got? It's sort of triangular and she can you put the tank in the middle of it? The Sermo mix? What is that? What does that

Leo Laporte (01:23:12):
Do? Don't get me started.

Mikah Sargent (01:23:13):
Oh boy. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:23:15):
Lisa thinks I have too many kitchen gadgets. Every once in a while I come home and one will be missing. <Laugh>. Oh

Mikah Sargent (01:23:20):
No. Sacrifice. And I'll

Leo Laporte (01:23:22):
Say, honey, where did the where did the Instapot

Mikah Sargent (01:23:26):
Go? Now suddenly you want to make what only can be made in the, in instant Pott. Honey,

Leo Laporte (01:23:29):
I cannot make rice without the rice cooker. And she'll say it's in the clubber over there. <Laugh>. So she's slowly, she's, she hates it. Cuz I have so many gadgets. Thermo mix is cool, but it's $1,500 so pricey. Oh Lord. So I'm not gonna recommend it. You know what, who, you know who's the pusher man here? Stacy Higginbotham this week in Google, both the thermo mix and the June oven.

Mikah Sargent (01:23:53):
Stacy for recommendations of Stacy

Leo Laporte (01:23:55):
Pushed on to me. So, and I'm a sucker for this stuff.

Mikah Sargent (01:23:58):
Oh, now there's an Umma pizza oven too. I have an

Leo Laporte (01:24:01):
Umma as well.

Mikah Sargent (01:24:01):
Oh, of course. He's got an umma.

Leo Laporte (01:24:03):
But my umma is an outdoor umma. Oh. They now have indoor omas. Or you can pipe 'em to your gas line. Umma actually makes real pizza cuz it gets to 750 degrees. Ah, so the way the Umma works, it's just, it's this small little pizza oven kind of looking thing with a chimney, but it uses wood pellets.

Mikah Sargent (01:24:22):
Oh nice. So

Leo Laporte (01:24:22):
You put pellets in and then you let it go. And it's got special ribbing. It's like a Formula one car underneath. It's got special ribbing and then the, so that the flame goes like this and it gets really, really hot. Which is what you need. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And it's got a built-in stone. So you, you put the pizza in there. Oh nice. And it literally, and it took me a while to figure this out. Kept coming out burned. It takes one minute or less to cook a beautiful pizza.

Mikah Sargent (01:24:46):
Are you kidding

Leo Laporte (01:24:47):
Me? One minute. The uma's great. Highly recommended. Lisa won't let me use that either.

Mikah Sargent (01:24:53):
Well, next time I need to make a pizza, I guess I'm coming over.

Leo Laporte (01:24:56):
You wanna make an umma? Come on over. Because they're not big. You can't mine anyway. It's not super big. So you can only make kind of like a, a small pizza. So you just make a bunch of them. Cause they're only a minute. They're really good.

Mikah Sargent (01:25:10):
And I'm getting another recommendation from Anthony Nielsen who says that he likes his ANOVA Precision oven, which ANOVA is known for. Sovi.

Leo Laporte (01:25:20):
I have an Anova Sovi,

Mikah Sargent (01:25:21):
But they also have a precision oven. Oh.

Leo Laporte (01:25:23):
So yeah, the guy was asking for other choices. So Anova looking at what June has done and I've heard good things about the anova. And they make very good they make great sovi thing. So they have a combi C o m BI oven. Let's find that. Here. There it is. The precision. No, that's the precision oven. Not the com. Yeah. A combi oven. 700 bucks. I think this is probably very much like the June. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:25:47):
Look it dehydrates, it proves it air fry a convection bakes. It does. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:25:50):
June was the first and I think they set the standard. Since this is still in stock, this might be the one to get.

Mikah Sargent (01:25:58):
And if you like, you can use A L E X A to control it.

Leo Laporte (01:26:02):
Yeah, well I would that,

Mikah Sargent (01:26:03):
Hey, get my oven started. It's like

Leo Laporte (01:26:05):
That part of life. Look, I'm gonna get up in half an hour. Start the toast

Mikah Sargent (01:26:09):
<Laugh>. You

Leo Laporte (01:26:09):
Know this, you know what? And Anthony, you have one. Okay. So maybe instead

Mikah Sargent (01:26:15):
Oh, and this is a steam

Leo Laporte (01:26:16):
Oven. Oh. Which is

Mikah Sargent (01:26:18):
Apparently restaurant's best kept secret. Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:26:21):
You do need steam for bread.

Mikah Sargent (01:26:23):
Maybe I want to try this.

Leo Laporte (01:26:24):
You do need steam bakers have little steam injectors in their ovens

Mikah Sargent (01:26:29):
Because if there's one thing I don't like, it's how variant my oven is when the temperature calls for three 50. Mine. Yeah. Yeah. I said it to three 80. Cuz I know that the three fifty's not

Leo Laporte (01:26:39):
Hit. That's the, that's really what's new about these ovens is they're very precise and Innova's known for it's very precise SousVide. Cuz that's what a SousVide does. All right. So we've really killed this subject. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:26:51):
Sorry.

Leo Laporte (01:26:52):
Any other, any other recommendations? Anything else? Okay.

Mikah Sargent (01:26:56):
Yeah. You can dry your clothes in the end, Nova. No, don't. You could

Leo Laporte (01:26:59):
Actually. Oh boy. Just put it on Dehydrate. There you

Mikah Sargent (01:27:01):
Go. <Laugh>. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:27:03):
And they'll taste like prunes, but they'll be dry.

Mikah Sargent (01:27:06):
Dr. Mom, I have a, a temperature, an oven thermometer that I've bought separate to put inside mine. So that's how I know that it's never the right temperature.

Leo Laporte (01:27:13):
Ovens are never the right temperature. That's, this is notorious. You have to learn what your oven is actually gonna do. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:27:20):
It's like three 50. Okay. It's a 300. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:27:22):
I gotta,

Mikah Sargent (01:27:23):
Anyway

Leo Laporte (01:27:25):
B Jones in our discord says that he uses a dutch oven for his baking. And that's what I do too. To solve that steam problem. Yes. I have a special, of course, I couldn't use just a regular Dutch oven. So I have a special French

Mikah Sargent (01:27:38):
Clay. Now I'm starting to be on Lisa's side. <Laugh>. Yeah. Before I was

Leo Laporte (01:27:41):
Born. You don't, I have, I have a wheat mill <laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (01:27:47):
Do you have a butter churn in your backyard? <Laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:27:49):
That's a, that's a good

Mikah Sargent (01:27:51):
Idea. Oh God. What have I done?

Leo Laporte (01:27:52):
That's a good idea. I don't buy mayonnaise anymore. You make it. I make my own. And you are

Mikah Sargent (01:27:56):
Perma mix or it's

Leo Laporte (01:27:57):
Never make mayonnaise. Never buy. I never buy mayonnaise. Always make it. You got an egg.

Mikah Sargent (01:28:02):
That's so much egg white though.

Leo Laporte (01:28:04):
No, no, no. You use the whole egg.

Mikah Sargent (01:28:05):
You can now

Leo Laporte (01:28:08):
You got mustard, you got

Mikah Sargent (01:28:09):
Egg. Of course.

Leo Laporte (01:28:10):
You, you are good. You got a little garlic. You want a little aioli? Go ahead. Live it

Mikah Sargent (01:28:15):
Up. Blow

Leo Laporte (01:28:15):
Olive oil. You know what you need though? What's that? Yeah. And then you need oil. Don't use olive oil. It's flavorful. You wanna use the blandest oil. Otherwise it tastes like olives.

Mikah Sargent (01:28:22):
Safflower. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:28:23):
Safflower is good. Canola something really bland. And then you need an immersion blender. So you get a jar that's like, you could actually, I use, use a mane jar cuz then no one knows that I've done this. <Laugh>. You get your, you get your helmets. Ja. As long as you get to fit the immersion blender in it. Yeah, the whole thing. Sirius eats.com. They'll tell you how to make mayonnaise. He's got it all down. He's the guy can't be off. He's serious with this. He's, he's great. Should I don't soon. Isn't there somebody wants to talk to us and get

Mikah Sargent (01:28:50):
Me off of this? God, you got me starting. There's someone waiting who looks starting to get a little impatient. Maybe <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:28:55):
Oh, who should this?

Leo Laporte (01:28:58):
Is that Josh?

Mikah Sargent (01:28:58):
Yeah. Deep red shirt.

Leo Laporte (01:29:00):
Josh. Let's go. I was just teasing about the impatience. Let's, let's go Josh Tea. He's been very patient's hand raised. Very, very impatient. His arm is getting, he's going like this. I can't Mr. Kata. Mr. Mr. Kata. <Laugh>. Did you ever see that show? I only know it as a reference from the office. Benny Boomba. Hello there. Josh.

Caller Tyler (01:29:18):
Hello, Micah and Leo, how are you? Well,

Leo Laporte (01:29:21):
Thank you for saving us from that Fugue state I was in. Where are you calling from?

Caller Tyler (01:29:26):
I'm calling from Tyler, Texas.

Leo Laporte (01:29:28):
Nice. Nice. What can we do for you?

Caller Tyler (01:29:32):
Well my wife is an attorney and she is striking out on her own practice. She currently works with an attorney, but he's semi retiring, so they're separating their businesses. Anyway, this is all to say that I'm her IT department, <laugh> and I, I'm trying to find a way to, she's, she's going to be paying rent and utilities to the other attorney who owns the building. And there's already internet in there. So I'm trying to find a way to use that internet and segment it. And I, I wanted to get your advice on how to do that. I I, I bought an Express V p N brand route, coast Express VPN built in mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. And I just wanted to see your, your thoughts on that. I assume that there, it's, it's, it's double naing. And if that's an issue and just kind of see if there's a better way I could be going about this.

Leo Laporte (01:30:34):
So the existing internet, do you have ethernet access to it? Or only wifi access to it?

Caller Tyler (01:30:41):
Ethernet. Yay. But it's, but it, but we're not like, you know, at the Gateway, it's like the Ethernet's coming into

Leo Laporte (01:30:48):
It's coming out office, their router,

Caller Tyler (01:30:51):
And then they have their own router. They have their own Yeah. Table modem and router that routes the ethernet to the different rooms.

Leo Laporte (01:30:57):
Yeah. So you're basically on their network. Yeah. You need something to isolate it from their network. I think the t I think the express VPN n would work. You are gonna do double nap, but I don't think that's necessarily the end of the world. That's how you have to isolate it. Right. The other way to do it would be if you had access to their router mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, and you could set up a VLAN with their router. But I doubt they're gonna let you do that would be the best way to do it, by the way of so many routers more high-end routers will let you set up a virtual land or multiple virtual lands and they are invisible to one another. So that would secure your land from their land. But I'm thinking they're not gonna let you do that. Right.

Caller Tyler (01:31:37):
I I mean that, that probably wouldn't be ideal anyway. Because, because then our, our segment wouldn't be completely isolated. I mean, we'd have to be the admin for the router that controls the traffic to the whole house.

Leo Laporte (01:31:56):
Yeah. Well, somebody would have to be, obviously somebody would have access to it. So Yeah, that's, yeah. If you put the, yeah. Let me think about this. So, you know, Steve Gibson's three router system. I'm, I'm thinking this is similar to that. So he, this was an alternative. Steve came up with two, having VLANs VLANs is the professional way of doing it or segmenting out your architecture. But he came up with this, if you couldn't do a vlan and, and until recently VLANs were not common on, on consumer grade routers, you would have three routers, <laugh> one connected to the internet, one for your Internet of things devices and one for your computers. And I'm thinking that has to have, that has to be double netted. What, what he's talking about, and it is a reasonable question, is normally you have on any system, on a network, you have one guy in charge one, one router doing the network address translation.

(01:32:58):
That's the nat saying your 1 92 0.1 68.1 a hundred, your 1 0 1, your 1 0 2 assigning local IP addresses to all the devices. If you have two of those, it's a little weird because now you're the owner of the building's router is gonna assign to your router and address that's now your gateway address for those devices. And they're gonna assign a local addresses to your devices only. I would suggest perhaps, I don't think this will make a difference. I'll tell you what I'm gonna send you to Steve's page. This is the way to do it. And just do what he says with the three routers. Except you're not gonna do three, you're only gonna do two. Okay. So let me find this for you. Grc, the three routers three dumb routers. He calls it actually he did a whole, he did a whole security now <laugh> on this some, some years ago. Three dumb routers. Let's see if he has the this is the this is the transcript. I think he has a whole page devoted to this and how to set it up. I is

Caller Tyler (01:34:09):
Is the p n service necessary? I mean, I was thinking that, that

Leo Laporte (01:34:13):
Way. No, you don't need the, the whole idea is that if something is on your separate router Yeah. You don't need the express VPN n router. You could use any router for this. Something's on your router. It's traffic. Actually, maybe you do want the p n because Steve's not assuming that the, the main router is adversarial. Right. But you're pointing out that they could be. Right. You have to, as an attorney has to protect your clients. So you have to assume that that, that the owner's router is not secure. So yeah, you want the V P N, but then it would be secure cuz it'd be going from the VPN on your router out to the outside world. No matter what the owner of the system is doing, they can't see what you're doing. So yes, you do know you do need it.

Caller Tyler (01:35:01):
I I have one brief follow up to that, which is, I, I have that set up and it's, it's working. But an a strange thing that I noticed is I typed in 1 92, I typed in, you know, the, one of the defaults and it looked like I was able to see the building router. So I was going through the air cove router with Express

Leo Laporte (01:35:23):
V. No, that's right. You would be able to see their router. Yeah. Because it's

Mikah Sargent (01:35:26):
So local on in that instance. Yeah.

Caller Tyler (01:35:30):
Okay. So the tunnel. So, so when you're on, you can't see

Leo Laporte (01:35:33):
You, you can see him not tunnel. That's the Okay. That's what you've done. There is a whole forum thread at GRC asking questions about this the three dumb router solution. So I, I would recommend checking out grc.com, search for grc.com and three dumb routers. And you'll find a number of pages, his initial description of all this, and then more recent posts around this. That would, that would perhaps give you some insight. I mean, his intent is not to protect one of the ba one of the branches of the tree from the root. That's your intent. But it does, it does, it would have, if you use the express p n router, it would have that effect.

Mikah Sargent (01:36:19):
Yeah. I I almost, this is an obviously not an ideal situation in the first place that, you know, this lawyer doesn't have, in this case, your wife doesn't have your own connection with the I S P directly. Just because I'm just thinking about, you said you were able to see the router by typing that in. Did they just have admin and password as the login for that router? You know what I mean? They're all of these concerns that kind of go along with this. So

Caller Tyler (01:36:51):
I I, I was just surprised that I was able to see the, I guess it's called the gateway router at all. Because I would've thought that Express VPN just sends a tunnel directly to their server and that I wouldn't be able to see anything on the, on the main network at all. That it would just be creped encrypted Gobbilty book all the way to express VPNs.

Leo Laporte (01:37:11):
No, you can, you have to, your router has to be able to see their router in order to do it. So yeah. It's a gateway to a gateway <laugh>. So yeah, you can see it, right? You're right. You wouldn't be able to watch their traffic, I don't think. Well, yeah, I think that,

Caller Tyler (01:37:23):
That they wouldn't be able to come upstream through their router and see anything on, on our VPN n router.

Leo Laporte (01:37:31):
No.

Mikah Sargent (01:37:32):
No. At least not when. Right. But LAN

Leo Laporte (01:37:36):
Perhaps no. Cuz the VPN is no express VPN's running on all ports. Okay. Is protecting everything. The other thing you might wanna look at, I'm not sure this is a good solution since you have ether, this is why I asked if you had ethernet. There are travel routers that are designed to handle this. Oh yeah. And somebody in our chat room said, look at the GL net travel routers. These are good travel routers. So the idea of these, I have one of them, the idea is you are pro, and by the way, these usually have a VPN built in as well mm-hmm. <Affirmative> for the same reason you want the express V VPN n on the router. So these are designed to do exactly what you're talking about, which is join a network but have protected conversations of your own on that network. So you know, you're in a hotel or a coffee shop and you connect it, and you can use these with ethernet as well as with wifi. That would be another way. But I think what you've got the express VPN router is exactly what you need. The only issues are that, as you're right, that double netting that can be concerning. And so I would read up on it. I mean, as

Caller Tyler (01:38:38):
Long as we don't wanna access anything on the main, I think

Leo Laporte (01:38:40):
That's okay.

Caller Tyler (01:38:41):
Yeah. Then it's okay.

Leo Laporte (01:38:42):
Yeah, I think so. You know, I mean, ideally you'd get your own internet.

Mikah Sargent (01:38:46):
That's, that's ultimately, that's Yeah. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:38:49):
One thing that you might consider, I'm not sure what it's like in Tyler, but both Verizon and T-Mobile now offer, I consider very good hotspot residential gateways that use the 5G network in your area. So if you have good 5G from either Verizon or T-Mobile at her office, those are inexpensive. You know, my, because I'm a Verizon customer, I was able to get my daughter the Verizon hotspot for 25 bucks a month. It's very fast. It's about 130 gigabits down or megabits down and about 30 up very reliable, very consistent. So if you do have a, a choice of that, that might be another way to go. Then she, then you don't have to worry at all. I was

Mikah Sargent (01:39:30):
Gonna say then you don't have that in the back of your head going Yeah. Is there, is there a possibility for them to access this? Yeah. Yeah.

Caller Tyler (01:39:36):
Yeah. I checked with T-Mobile and we, I mean, we have 5G coverage, but they don't, they haven't deployed

Leo Laporte (01:39:41):
The Yeah, they have to deploy it. Wifi

Caller Tyler (01:39:42):
Hotspot

Leo Laporte (01:39:44):
Yet. Yeah, I haven't. So when they do, that's the one to jump on. T-Mobile or Verizon acquire with from Verizon as well. Both offer residential gateways. They're, they're, they're doing so well that Comcast is losing business <laugh>. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. It's actually it's starting to eat into the big cable companies. Internet service business. I like them.

Mikah Sargent (01:40:07):
All right. Thank you

Caller Tyler (01:40:08):
For your call. Well, thank you both.

Leo Laporte (01:40:10):
I thank You're doing a great job. Your your're congratulations to your wife on branching out on our own and and give her our best. Good luck. Yes.

Mikah Sargent (01:40:18):
Best

Caller Tyler (01:40:18):
Of luck. Oh yeah. Thanks so much. That's

Leo Laporte (01:40:19):
Great. Alright. Right. What do we gotta do now?

Mikah Sargent (01:40:22):
Need to go to an ad break again,

Leo Laporte (01:40:24):
Don't worry. Dr. Mom is saying, don't forget that Netflix sent out emails this week not to share your password. And if

Mikah Sargent (01:40:32):
You do, it's 7 99 a month for any additional user. So they have essentially started to institute their new password sharing settings where you can share your password with family members. But if they can determine that it's not you who's logging in from a different place, they will sort of recognize that as a third party account that's accessing it. And therefore add a 7 99 a month charge to your bill. So

Leo Laporte (01:41:01):
I'm gonna test this cuz my daughter uses mine. Good. Yeah. Yeah. And she's in San Rafael, so she's not nearby. Oh

Mikah Sargent (01:41:06):
Yeah. That'll be great to test it that way.

Leo Laporte (01:41:07):
Yeah, we'll test it. See if I get a bill and then I'll have to decide what to do. 7 99 is not so

Mikah Sargent (01:41:14):
Bad. No, I I mean it's, it's less than what an absolutely new user would be. Right.

Leo Laporte (01:41:19):
Did you see what Blockbuster's subtweet was?

Mikah Sargent (01:41:22):
No. Blockbusters still tweet.

Leo Laporte (01:41:23):
Remember Blockbuster? Yeah. They're still tweeting. I don't think they have any stories. I

Mikah Sargent (01:41:26):
Remember this. I there's

Leo Laporte (01:41:27):
One left in Oregon. Blockbuster. Blockbuster said, you know, when you rented a VHS tape from us, we didn't care who you shared it with. You just had to bring it back in time.

Mikah Sargent (01:41:36):
<Laugh> be kind. Rewind. There's

Leo Laporte (01:41:37):
Stuff that he's still running Blockbuster social.

Mikah Sargent (01:41:40):
That's amazing. I love it.

Leo Laporte (01:41:42):
<Laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (01:41:42):
Bless. Bless you. Whoever you are out there. Bless

Leo Laporte (01:41:44):
You. You know I am not gonna set up a VPN between me and my daughter <laugh>. I think we'll just do a test. We'll just

Mikah Sargent (01:41:51):
Do a test. Yeah. I'd love to hear if you end up getting

Leo Laporte (01:41:53):
Pinned. Yeah. Now, if, if, if this was the week thought, by the way, this really frustrated me, uhoh, that HBO o decided, oh, we don't need that HBO o we'll just do

Mikah Sargent (01:42:01):
Max. And they make a new app.

Leo Laporte (01:42:03):
Well, and my mom, mom emails me. She says, I'm not gonna be able to watch succession. What happened? I said, mom, I know this is crazy. You gotta download the Max app. I

Mikah Sargent (01:42:14):
Hate that.

Leo Laporte (01:42:14):
And if you do it on an Apple tv anyway, that's what I did it on. It will see the old hbo. So do it before you delete the old app.

Mikah Sargent (01:42:23):
Okay. That's good. That is a good

Leo Laporte (01:42:24):
Download the new app and it will pick up the credentials from the old app. So you won't have to re-log in then you can delete the old app for what we did all this. I don't know,

Mikah Sargent (01:42:34):
Just let the, just keep the same app update the name

Leo Laporte (01:42:37):
Lisa's saying to me, well do you think like they're changing providers or something? Or

Mikah Sargent (01:42:42):
It could be a new team that's a new development team that's taking over, I guess.

Leo Laporte (01:42:46):
Yeah. I mean this is, so this is just another reason why they shouldn't have changed the name.

Mikah Sargent (01:42:52):
Just leave it.

Leo Laporte (01:42:53):
Remember it was, it was, first it was HBO O Go. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Then it was HBO O Max and now it's just Max. I wish they'd go <laugh>,

Mikah Sargent (01:43:00):
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Mikah Sargent (01:45:54):
Do an email? Yeah. We don't wanna forgot. We haven't done an

Leo Laporte (01:45:56):
Email ever. Yeah. ATG at twit tv. Let's do an email.

Mikah Sargent (01:46:00):
If we check the in the mailbox.

Leo Laporte (01:46:02):
Oh, is it in the mailbox?

Mikah Sargent (01:46:03):
Is it in the mailbox, John? No. Oh, I thought I heard you print them out earlier.

Leo Laporte (01:46:07):
Yeah, there's a mail in here. Actually. This is the one we never got to from last week.

Mikah Sargent (01:46:11):
Oh, I thought that was the voicemail transcript.

Leo Laporte (01:46:14):
Our first, oh, we did that. That was the one man dog walking business. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:46:18):
Okay. In the future we will have them in the mailbox. I thought I heard that this morning that we spent

Leo Laporte (01:46:23):
A lot of energy lighting this mailbox so it would match my shirt.

Mikah Sargent (01:46:28):
So we did get <laugh>. We did get someone who wrote in to ask about malware. And this is kind of an interesting question. So, Jason has written in and said this, I'm just wondering if you installed a free trial of antivirus software, then ran it and it quarantined some malware, what happens to the quarantine? I, I saw

Leo Laporte (01:46:54):
This. If you, that's such a

Mikah Sargent (01:46:55):
Great question. If you uninstall the software after the trial period ends, do they get restored or did the software actually remove that malware from your system?

Leo Laporte (01:47:04):
That's a hysterical question. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So I would guess it de it depends on the anti virus. That's

Mikah Sargent (01:47:09):
The answer. It depends. Yeah. But

Leo Laporte (01:47:11):
Any good antivirus, it's gonna stay in the quarantine. What is a quarantine? You might ask. Well, they take it outta your system so it can't run. And they put it in, you know, it, think of it as a zip file. They put it in a thing that it can't run out of. Now, one of the reasons they do that is they're gonna send it back to the home office for an analytics. Right. So often they do that, but it has been removed from your system. The reason they also do that is so that if that breaks something, they can back out. But it's gonna stay. I can't imagine any antivirus software would be so mean

Mikah Sargent (01:47:46):
Worth it. Salt so

Leo Laporte (01:47:47):
Evil to say, well, if you don't want us, I'm gonna remove it from quarantine. So there no, it's, it's in effect, in a zip file. Can't harm your system. It is still on your system, but it's harmless. I would think if you check the antivirus website, you know, when you're removing this trial versions of McAfee, Symantec, in fact, I recommend you do this anyway. You go to the website and they have a removal tool that goes above and beyond on installing, cuz antivirus is hooked deep into your system. So I would use that removal tool, and I'm gonna bet dollars to donuts. It also removes the quarantine that, that's part of the, the full removal. So get the removal tool from the site of of your trial wear and and run it and really remove it. Scrub your, scrub your system there. Scrub it. The That's a great

Mikah Sargent (01:48:38):
Question. Yeah. I really is. Cuz I can imagine many people trying that and going, well is it gonna still be after I'm done?

Leo Laporte (01:48:45):
Wouldn't that be mean? If it had, it would be mean activated.

Mikah Sargent (01:48:47):
It would absolutely be mean.

Leo Laporte (01:48:50):
That would be so mean.

Mikah Sargent (01:48:51):
Alright, one more. This was kind of a back and forth. Someone had reached out asking,

Leo Laporte (01:48:55):
I am feeling by the way, very fit, very vigorous.

Mikah Sargent (01:48:59):
You feeling sw?

Leo Laporte (01:49:00):
I am feeling good. I'm starting to look like Anne. Aren't I Uhhuh,

Mikah Sargent (01:49:03):
<Affirmative>. Look at that muscle. Nice try.

Leo Laporte (01:49:05):
<Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (01:49:07):
The shade. <Laugh>. so somebody had written in and they said, I currently am in a nursing home and I rely heavily on my Google Mini. However, lately it has been getting stupider and

Leo Laporte (01:49:18):
Stupider. It is, it's so stupid.

Mikah Sargent (01:49:20):
The things that used to do perfectly right. It no longer does. And my son tells me that Reddit forms are filled with people complaining about the same thing. It is becoming useless. So I reached out and I said, we would love to help you with this, but it would be helpful to know some of the examples of how it's gotten stupider so we can kind of address directly. Oh, good. Follow up. Yeah. So the individual did follow up. By the way, mark mark said it's a Google mini, and for example, I will say sit, and by the way, I, I sh I was shook at the time. Mark says it's a Google mini and for example, I say set an alarm for four 50. Yeah. It says your alarm is set for four 50. Yeah. And then two hours later, mark will ask how long until the alarm goes off and it replies. You have set an alarm for four 50 <laugh>. Previously it would actually say to Mark it's one hour until the alarm goes off or whatever amount of time it had, that was left. And Mark proceeded to say, after that, my son has helped me by getting me an echo <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:50:17):
That's one solution.

Mikah Sargent (01:50:19):
Yeah. So

Leo Laporte (01:50:19):
Echo's gotten dumber. I

Mikah Sargent (01:50:21):
Think they all

Leo Laporte (01:50:21):
Oh, sirs gotten dumber. Google's gotten dumber. I think echo's the least Getting dumber.

Mikah Sargent (01:50:26):
Yes. Because that is the, the one, one system that has such a heavy focus. I think Apple and Google have their eyes on so many different things that those kind of are secondary, tertiary, et cetera. But with this, we do see Google or excuse me, Amazon actually kind of keeping focused to some extent. I, I am curious as to what does cause this loss in so, so to speak, intelligence because yeah, you, you count on these features that at one point worked. Is it that the telemetry is suggesting that people aren't using features like this? Is it that you've at one point installed some plugin that now is sort of taking control of that question that you're asking? And so it's not getting that answer back. What's happening in the system that's causing it to change? It's all up in the air. And I think that's part of the, the loss of value that one can experience with these smart

Leo Laporte (01:51:22):
Speakers. Amazon we found out earlier this year loses about 10 billion <laugh>. Excuse me. Is it, is it 10 billion?

Mikah Sargent (01:51:31):
That's a lot.

Leo Laporte (01:51:32):
It was 10 billion a year. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (01:51:34):
On that money. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:51:36):
That's a lot. It's a lot. And I imagine Google and apple probably have similar numbers. These are very, and you might say, well, why does it lose money? Cause they don't make any money on the devices. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, they sell those roughly at cost. And the service costs 'em a lot of money to run. You know, they have that constantly cost server running in the background. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and I think Amazon at least thought we were gonna make more money off of it because we were gonna, people were gonna buy stuff. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:52:04):
People would order from the device that we would be, which people

Leo Laporte (01:52:07):
Mostly just set timers. They

Mikah Sargent (01:52:08):
Just set timers. Occasionally their kids lost. What's the weather to play the shark sh on Yeah. Yeah. Or frozen <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:52:15):
Yeah. So

Mikah Sargent (01:52:17):
<Laugh>. Yeah. And they don't, so

Leo Laporte (01:52:18):
I think they probably are cutting out services. Yeah. Bit by bit. They're starting to, my brain is going. But there's also, somebody's saying this in the, in the discord. I agree. A little bit of a holding pattern going on because we're waiting to see if any chat G p t style feature generative

Mikah Sargent (01:52:37):
AI get

Leo Laporte (01:52:38):
Added. Now, the problem with generative AI is very expensive. Uhhuh <affirmative>. And it's very chatty.

Mikah Sargent (01:52:43):
Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:52:43):
You saw the, and it makes stuff up. You saw the story. It was a big story this week about the lawyer oh boy, who used chat G p T to write a lawsuit pleading. And the judge said, well, wait a minute, where you cite six cases here, I can't find them. So the, the <laugh>,

Mikah Sargent (01:53:02):
The lawyer, the lawyer

Leo Laporte (01:53:03):
Went back to chat G P T and said, these these these cases, can you gimme the link? And it made up

Mikah Sargent (01:53:12):
Links, made up references. It

Leo Laporte (01:53:14):
Made, it was, first of all, it was made up precedents. And then it made up the links and the judge of course clicked the links, says there's nothing here. So he's being censured, the lawyer's being censured for being a lazy son of a gun. <Laugh>. that's the sort of the problem in general. Honestly, I'm not sure because of the expense, Amazon, Google or Siri or Apple are gonna add these G P t like features. They've got to figure out a way to do it. That's useful.

Mikah Sargent (01:53:44):
Yeah. And it suddenly occurred to me too, Leo, that you were talking about the expenses of having this go off to the server. A lot of these companies are trying to save on costs by pivoting to local processing. I

Leo Laporte (01:53:56):
Think that's what happened

Mikah Sargent (01:53:57):
To these. That's what's making it more stupid, so to speak. Is there, I don't know that local chip doesn't have everything that it needs to, to do what it Yeah, there goes, I dunno. I have an alarm. There's an alarm here. Is that what you're asking? I

Leo Laporte (01:54:08):
Dunno what time it's now.

Mikah Sargent (01:54:09):
<Laugh>. Which way did it go, George?

Leo Laporte (01:54:11):
It may also have, this is, I think cuz you're in a nursing home, more likely intermittent internet. So the way it would know how much time is left on it doesn't know what time it is. By the way, I don't know if you've noticed this, but if your internet's off and you ask one of these devices what time it is, it says, I don't know. So if you had internet that was intermittent and the.at that moment wasn't a dot was a mini Right. And the mini at that moment couldn't tell what time it was, it wouldn't be able to, that's a good to tell you how long there

Mikah Sargent (01:54:38):
Was that it would just go, well, I can tell you about an alarm and it's going to default to trying to give you some answer. Right. And for just not saying anything or saying the, I don't really know. So it's gonna do, its best to give you some answer. So there, it's just so many behind the scenes reasons why that was happening. I hope that the echo works better for you though, mark.

Leo Laporte (01:54:58):
It may, you know, it may be the same problem just because spotty internet is is death for these things. Yeah. more, more. I want more questions.

Mikah Sargent (01:55:07):
More. Well, do we wanna go to the calls then?

Leo Laporte (01:55:09):
Yes. Let's say hello to William. Hello William. We will welcome you. Welcome to our star gate. Come on down. You

Mikah Sargent (01:55:20):
Are the next contestant on Ask the tech guys <laugh>.

Caller William (01:55:22):
Hey Leo. How's it

Leo Laporte (01:55:23):
Going? It's great. Where are you calling from? William

Caller William (01:55:26):
Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

Leo Laporte (01:55:27):
Beautiful. They're bald. Tall, my friend. <Laugh>.

Caller William (01:55:32):
Yeah, we've actually met several times. I actually was up at the, we we went to the twit house. My wife and I, who I remember refuses to walk around and get on camera. And my son, we, we also met at South by Southwest. Nice. Years ago at Dation.

Leo Laporte (01:55:47):
Oh, you weren't one of those people with hands Hands on my, you had it was you. I know it was you. <Laugh>.

Caller William (01:55:54):
So my son still comes over and he goes, dad, do you remember when we hoisted Leo? Yes. Son. We, so that's a, that's a yearly thing we talk about.

Leo Laporte (01:56:02):
That's what I should explain for people who are wondering what the hell you're talking about. Is that South by Southwest Dation, which was Kevin Rose and Alex Albert's wonderful podcast. Late LA podcast had a live event at Stubbs Barbecue. Thousands of people. It felt like it was just jammed in there. And I came up on stage and I don't know if it was Alex or Kevin, but somebody suggested I crowd surf. I had a backpack on that was streaming live video back to the home office. Wow. I had a camera on a, like a gandolph staff. It was a monopod. So I could walk around at South by Robert Scoble said Go to South by, but it's all about the parties. So go. So you can go cover the parties. So I had this staff and so they said just leap into the crowd. Now in hindsight, this was a stupid thing to do because it is not unusual for people to leap in the crowd and not be caught Yes. And have severe injuries. Yes. And I did not know that. Or I would not have done this, but thank God you were there, William. Cuz I lept into the crowd. And your son was too.

Caller William (01:57:06):
My son and wife. We were all in the crowd hoisting. Oh.

Leo Laporte (01:57:08):
So I did. And I was carried a loft in this most beautiful fashion. It is one of the experiences of my life I will never forget. And I'm live streaming this. I'm holding the camera like this. There's video on YouTube if you, if you care. Anyway, thank you for not letting me drop. They got me all the way to the back of the auditorium and then I left <laugh>. Yeah, just run it right away. Oh yeah. Here it is. There it is. There it is. Are you visible in this video?

Caller William (01:57:36):
We right in the front. We were right in the front row. I think I was wearing a red t-shirt. Oh my God. That was years ago.

Leo Laporte (01:57:43):
So thank you for catching me. Oh my goodness. That's the backpack. And now you can't tell. But I am now being held loft and I'm holding the camera in my hand. Just a slight panic in your eyes. Mostly. I, I swear. Thank you for doing that. That was the, a huge gift for me. Yeah, no, that was a lot of fun. That was amazing. Amazing. Yep. Anyway, what can we do now? I owe you. Well, here's

Caller William (01:58:08):
My question. I need you to help me not spend a bunch of money <laugh>. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:58:12):
No. But we're bad at that.

Caller William (01:58:14):
So I, I do photography as a hobby. I've done it for years. I've had D S L R cameras and pretty much these days my camera is just my me too 14 promax. Right.

Leo Laporte (01:58:27):
It's so

Caller William (01:58:27):
Good. But it's so good. But the thing is, I absolutely love watching camera podcast. Me too. And Crew. It's a great, does a great podcast. And I love camera gear.

Leo Laporte (01:58:38):
Yeah, you're gonna, you gotta be careful. They'll give you gas. <Laugh>.

Caller William (01:58:42):
Oh, oh. And I have

Leo Laporte (01:58:43):
You acquisition an syndrome. Ah, oh, it's terrible.

Caller William (01:58:47):
I have an old Nikon D 80 in the closet that with about 10 20 pounds of like lenses. Oh, filters. Tripods, monopods. So I kind of want to ask, what do you use, I know you've traveled recently and you know, I I, I'm, I'm debating, do I want to go down the road at looking like some, at some of the Sony Alpha cameras? That's

Leo Laporte (01:59:09):
What I shoot.

Caller William (01:59:10):
Great. Mirrorless cameras.

Leo Laporte (01:59:11):
Yeah, go muralist. Although, because you have that Nikon glass, you could go Nikon, get an eight 50 for instance, like we were talking with Susan. And you would be able to, now in most cases, do you know an if Nikon has changed the mount for the older Nikon lenses onto the new muralist bodies mounts mirrorless. Now there's the same mount, so he might need an adapter. Just get an adapter for me. You might need an adapter. The nice thing about mirrorless, because the the mount is so close to the sensor adapters work really well. In fact, I have adapters on my Sonny to use like a lenses and other lenses and they're really very, very good. But I think you can use your Nikon lenses with an Nikon camera and that would be really the best way to go. I have Sony, cuz I, here's the thing

Caller William (01:59:59):
Though. The, the Go ahead. The, the, the thing is, is my wife and I are taking a trip to the, at the end of the year, and I've done this before where I'll go get camera gear, camera bags, I know all this stuff. And then when I go on vacation, I'm like, why am I dragging around all this camera gear?

Leo Laporte (02:00:14):
I, so in this last vacation, when this is in my pocket Yep. Three weeks in Europe. We went to Lisbon, went to Rome, went to Barcelo, went this, this wonderful trip. I thought, I'm gonna do an experiment and I'm gonna do it for you. <Laugh>. I did for you, William. Yeah. I did not bring, I was just curious to, I did not bring my Sony, I did not bring my, like I didn't bring anything. I brought my ace, my, my iPhone. I actually brought an S 23 Ultra two a Samsung. Mm. And I did bring the Insta 360 360 camera thinking I'll get that. I hardly used anything, but my iPhone and my pictures are fantastic. Yeah. It's all I need. Now. It does not satisfy my gas, my gear acquisition syndrome. It does not. But I'm trying, you know, like I just released the q3, the successor to my beloved, like a q2.

(02:01:02):
It's $10,000. Oh no, thank God. Because otherwise I could, I might have thought about buying it, but that's re that's insane. I don't know what they're thinking. I guess there's Leica people out there who don't care about money. But I, I think if you were gonna buy a new camera since you've got Nikon Glass and you don't want, if you've, if you have a significant investment in it, you should probably look at the Nikon muralists, which are very, very, very good. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, nothing wrong with them. I am a Sony guy. I love the Sonys. I have a lot of Sony glass. I had a lot of camera cannon Glass, a lot of camera lenses. And so I should have pro, but, but Canon at the time when I switched to mirrorless, did not have a mirrorless solution. Maybe if they'd had their very good mirrorless solutions, I would've considered that, but they didn't.

(02:01:52):
So I started over with Sony Glass, and I've now spent a lot of money on Sony Glass. The good news is I gave my Cannon system my fived Mark four and about, oh, I don't know, huge amount of lenses to my son. And that's how he got started as a TikTok star. He used that for all of his TikTok videos. So it worked out. But I, it, it, so it depends on how attached you are that Nikon glass. If you really like your Nikon glass I would say get an adapter and keep using it on a Nikon, actually. Yeah. Truth is You could, oh, hi. My wife. I, I, I convinced my wife to come say hi. Can I ask you where my wallet is? Because I, I <laugh>?

(02:02:32):
No, just, well, she's giving me the okay to buy whatever camera gear to want. Oh, what a nice person. I don't know if I want, you can stick with iPhone. So you, you can use the, the Nikon glass with an adapter on the Sony, the Sony's work. Just, I'm using my like a, you may or may not get the electronics of the lens, however. So things like, if the lens is doing the auto focusing, things like that, you might lose some of those features. I would look into that. We have a link to put up in the show notes.

Mikah Sargent (02:02:57):
I really feel like all of this boils down to mentally making the decision that you're not going to have sort of the fomo or the fear of regret that you say I am okay. That my iPhone is the camera that I'm taking with me. And I'm not going to spend the time looking at these photos and going, if I had only taken it with this camera, if I had only taken it with that camera. Yeah. Because that's really what it boils down to. I hear Leo every time he comes back from a vacation, the best shot I took was with

Leo Laporte (02:03:26):
This it's often with my phone.

Mikah Sargent (02:03:27):
Phone or with this iPhone. Yeah. Yeah. And if you can say, I, it's, it's, it's us in our heads where we go, oh, if I had only brought those cameras with me. And so then you end up bringing them, but then you don't use them or you use them very rarely. That is the best.

Leo Laporte (02:03:41):
Exactly. My problem. Well, and I'll tell you something, you already know William. It ain't the camera, it's the photographer. Right. that's true. You know, they don't Charles Dick, they didn't say to Charles Dickens, you know, if you had a better quill pen, right. Those novels would be better. It's not the tool, it's the tool user. So you, you, you have a good camera, you can keep using it. If you ha wanna satisfy your gear acquisition syndrome, you could get a Sony. I think the Sonys are remarkable. But I don't think it's gonna make you a better photographer. And I, I mean, you want remarkable, the iPhone's remarkable. Here's what you give up, really by using a camera phone. And I was willing to do that. You give up some of the creativity mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. So with a camera phone, you just take the picture.

(02:04:24):
You're there, you take the picture, you know, you could shoot video, you could, you, you, you're there. You take the picture with your camera and with my camera. You now you stop, you think you compose. You're putting energy into that, getting that perfect shot. Now that's maybe something that's really satisfies you, in which case, you know, you're gonna be giving that up a little bit. You still do composition with the phone. You also give up the, the long zoom. You can zoom, but you know, you really only can zoom effectively to about three x. So you're given that up. But honestly, I did not. I feel, I feel like I got as many printable pictures with my iPhone as I would've gotten had I brought a better camera and I was more present the whole time. So I, I think you're fine. I mean, I know that's not, you need a new hobby. Have you ever thought about F1 racing <laugh>?

Caller William (02:05:17):
Oh, oh, yeah. F1 was in Austin a couple years ago. It was, man, I wish it would've

Leo Laporte (02:05:22):
Went. It's coming again.

Caller William (02:05:23):
We're in Miami this year,

Leo Laporte (02:05:24):
So it's, no, it's gonna be in Austin again. And it's, we're going to see, it's gonna be in Austin again. Yeah, it is. And we're going to Vegas to see it in November. Nice. So yeah. That's a, that's a nice expensive hobby you could pick up instead of cameras or, you know, less expensive one crochet <laugh>. See, I am gonna, I am gonna bring my long lens to the F1 race because those cars are distant and they're going by very fast. And the camera phone would not get the job done. Exactly.

Caller William (02:05:50):
Yeah. But anyway, guys, thank you so much for my call. Leo, we love you. And thanks for doing what you're doing. Thanks for

Leo Laporte (02:05:56):
Lifting me up, <laugh>. When

Caller William (02:05:58):
We when we, when we can, we're gonna come see you again. Please do. At the at the new, the new digs.

Leo Laporte (02:06:03):
We'd love to see you.

Caller William (02:06:04):
Awesome. Thanks.

Leo Laporte (02:06:05):
Thanks. Thanks. Now, I, I have to, you know, obligation to say we are not open to the public, but you know, if you come and you knock at the door and I recognize you, I might give you a little tour. Just shoot between me. I wish we could have a live studio audience still, but it's too expensive. Frankly. We need, I mean, we can't have an here all the time. <Laugh>. Can we just get a, I feel really safe with you here, though. I must say it. We get a cut out of ants. Yeah. Just like a little cardboard just stands in the ants standing there at the door like this. Yeah. And, and you are and you want <laugh>. All right. We have time for more. I wanna do more. Yeah. Do we want to take one more ad break though? I think we got one more.

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The Brick house here. It was the Cottage. It was that long ago. Wow. That was an amazing technical feat. Thank you John. Yeah. Seriously, thanks to Colleen Kelly cuz she designed all of that stuff to make it all work. It was amazing. It was amazing. And, and she designed my, my Mono Pie staff. My, my my Wizard staff camera. I, that's kind of amazing that that all worked. I like this guy right here. I want to talk to the guy who's, who's just outside of Planet Earth. Is that Vidak? I don't know. I'm gonna pick up Vidak here and see if it's him. No I don't. That's above, that's above, that's above space. I'll take above space in a little bit. But let's start with Vidak. Vidak. Join us in the or V Dac. Join us in the Stargate. Stargate. He's not in the Stargate. Hello? Hello. Hey, Videk, are you calling from Monte Negro?

Caller Vidak (02:11:13):
Yes, I am. My camera is not working, unfortunately. Sorry. That's

Leo Laporte (02:11:17):
All right. I know what you look like.

Caller Vidak (02:11:19):
<Laugh>. Yeah, <laugh>. I haven't changed much since the last time you saw me. Well, you sound great. How are you doing guys? What's

Leo Laporte (02:11:24):
Up? We're great. How are you?

Caller Vidak (02:11:26):
I'm doing good. Well, oh boy. Where do I start? Uhoh, since the last time we talked, a lot of stuff has happened, including, I switched jobs and instead of working for one radio station and I work for two simultaneously. Whoa.

Leo Laporte (02:11:43):
Double your pleasure. Double your fun.

Caller Vidak (02:11:46):
Yes, correct. As a producer. Great. and congratulations. I am looking. Thank you. Thank you. I am looking for some recommendations on studio monitors. I work from home. I don't work at an office, so I have some gear that I use, but I need some studio monitors.

Leo Laporte (02:12:10):
You mean audio monitors or video monitors? Speakers. Speakers. Speakers. Yes. You know, for years when I looked in, worked in radio, everybody used J B L centuries. They were the classic speaker. Yes. I bet you some of the stations you have worked at have had JBLs.

Caller Vidak (02:12:26):
Yes, that's right. In the studio. That's right. I don't, I'm not looking at centuries per se. I'm looking at the series three or seven reference monitors.

Leo Laporte (02:12:38):
Think they're very good, JBL l In fact, the centuries were ver were not a good choice because JBL had a very characteristic sound. They bumped, and this is true of all speakers. They bumped, you know, every speaker has a different characteristic and they bumped it kind of, you know, that made it sound better than it was <laugh>. They kind of gave it loudness in the low end. They had really tight, low end and a little bit of a high end. I was just the other day at the big recording stage that Lucas Sound uses. You and I were both there. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> in, in this is where they record bands. They record albums. They record Grammy winning albums, but they also record huge symphony orchestras for video games and movie soundtracks. And I asked, what is that? What's, what reference monitors are you using and they use, and this isn't gonna make you happy. Videk, they use powers and Wilkins monitors those beautiful b and w speakers. And they are, yes. If

Caller Vidak (02:13:36):
They, if they only were in my budget <laugh>, they

Leo Laporte (02:13:39):
Are very expensive, but they sound unbelievable. They told me an interesting thing though cuz you know, b and w started shipping diamond Wolfers Wolfers made out of diamonds. And I said, oh, did you get the diamond wolfers? He said, we did. And we sent 'em back. We don't like them <laugh>. He said, I said what? He said, yeah, they were way too harsh. He said, the problem is we're sitting, these speakers we're sitting in front of 'em all day and they were hurting, they were hurting our ears. The high end was so bright that they were hurting our ears. Yeah. So sometimes perfect accuracy isn't the goal. Right. Right. The other thing he said, which I thought was interesting, is that we aim them over our head. We don't. I said, yeah, these speakers look high. He said, yeah, we don't want to be sitting in front of the speakers.

(02:14:21):
In fact, in many studios you'll see the speakers are in fact, above your head. Correct. Because he said you don't want the sound hitting you. You want it going by, going by you. And again, that's for listener fatigue as much as anything else cuz they have to sit there with fairly loud speakers all day. So all of that placement, the quality of the room and so forth, all of that makes a difference. I'll tell you what I use. I think these are very inexpensive and very good. I use 'em at home. You've heard them. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> for my stereo. They're from a American company. Now, I don't know if this is the best choice for Montenegro cause I don't know what the shipping and all of that would be, but it's E L A C, elac and it was Scott Wilkinson who told me about these, the folks at elac. The, these, the speakers I use, the debuts were designed by a legendary speaker designer, Andrew Jones. I think he infected work at JBL for a while. And these, even the bookshelf speakers are really accurate, sound really good. And they're very inexpensive given how good they are. The debut two s are what I have. They also make an excellent subwoofer. And you can see their bookshelf size. They're not huge. Although I have tower debuts as well. I have

Caller Vidak (02:15:36):
Heard of them. I just don't know if I can get them in Montenegro.

Leo Laporte (02:15:39):
Yeah. I don't know. And so that's gonna, that's gonna condition it. But this is a, this is an American brand that I think is quite good and very reasonably priced. What did we get for you, John, that you like? Do you like your, your speakers at home? Yes. Oh, very much. Yeah. We got John Jammer Beast. Is it? I d Dine? The Dine audios. Those are a little more expensive. How do you know that Bonino

Mikah Sargent (02:16:07):
Benito's a music music artist too. Yeah. What, what? Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:16:10):
Well, well Bonino, who does music in his spare time? He's making music every night. What do you like?

Mikah Sargent (02:16:17):
So he was talking about those those five inch JBLs. That's actually what I'm using in one of my studios. I have two at my house, but like, that's one of the, one of the pairs I'm using in Montenegro. I'm assuming you'd be able to get the A Yamahas as well. Those Yamahas HS five s I think they're called. Those are supposed to be pretty good. But the most important thing, those, the most important thing really, is speakers that you know.

Leo Laporte (02:16:38):
Yes. Because you know what their color, what they're doing to it. Exactly. Yeah.

Caller Vidak (02:16:42):
I have used the three series into seven series from JBL before, which is why that was my initial thought. Oh, let's get those. I'm having a little trouble sourcing them here. But

Leo Laporte (02:16:57):
Amazon sells the YAMA HS five s for 200 bucks.

Caller Vidak (02:17:02):
Yes. If only Amazon would deliver here. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:17:05):
You don't have Amazon.

Mikah Sargent (02:17:06):
Those are singles for 200, just

Leo Laporte (02:17:08):
Or is it Yeah, it's probably each. Yeah, of course. But still. And that's the little ones. They show two, a pair of them. I don't know. Either must.

Caller Vidak (02:17:18):
Yeah, I think I can get, I can get these.

Leo Laporte (02:17:20):
Oh yeah, that's a monitor. Okay. A pair would be, let's see what the pair is a little more expensive. 3 99 for the pair. That's not, that's not bad. That's not bad. Of course. A lot of people swear by K E F for studio monitors. What do you think of those bonito?

Mikah Sargent (02:17:37):
I personally have no experience with them, so I wouldn't know They're

Leo Laporte (02:17:39):
Expensive. That's probably wild. Okay. Well,

Mikah Sargent (02:17:41):
Yeah, they're probably good then. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:17:42):
I, I think these are often considered to be the diamond standard for reference monitors for accuracy. Right. You'll often hear people audio files compare their, you know, the accuracy of a, of a speaker set to Kes. Oh lordy. The price. <Laugh>. Okay, nevermind. Forget I mentioned it. You have, the good news is you, there are some very good speakers for very relatively inexpensive, like those yamas.

Caller Vidak (02:18:13):
Somebody suggested, and I, this is a brand I never heard of, apparently is a, it's a sister brand of J B L call Cali Audio. I don't know how to pronou. They're

Leo Laporte (02:18:23):
All sister brands. Cuz JBL is owned by the big I think it's Deni Moranz now, right? JBL L's owned by the big boys Collie. Let me see.

Mikah Sargent (02:18:32):
I have heard of Cali and I've heard good things about them. I haven't no experience with them myself, but I've heard good things.

Leo Laporte (02:18:37):
I love it that we have expertise. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, Cali Audio. Yeah. This is awesome. K a l I JBL Drug Laboratories. I don't know if I wanna go to that. That search result. <Laugh>. yeah. The, the problem is, you know, there's so many audio files in the world, <laugh>,

Mikah Sargent (02:18:57):
And they all have thoughts. They

Leo Laporte (02:18:58):
All have thoughts

Mikah Sargent (02:18:59):
And they all share their thoughts. <Laugh>.

Caller Vidak (02:19:01):
Yeah. This has been, this is exactly why I called this show cuz every YouTube video I watch everybody's some experts saying, oh, these are bad. Oh, these are good. Oh, these are, I don't know, they mud, mud, the sound or whatever. I'm like, just give me a recommendation for two speakers, <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (02:19:18):
Well, we've given you more than a few. Yep. Sorry.

Caller Vidak (02:19:21):
Yes. Thank you.

Leo Laporte (02:19:23):
I think those Yamahas, have you heard those bonito?

Mikah Sargent (02:19:26):
I have. And those are supposed to be like the, the replacement to the old Ns tens, which were the old studio standards.

Leo Laporte (02:19:31):
Yeah. Yeah. And there is a reason to kind of go with a studio standard because even though all speakers color the sound, you want something and nothing's, nothing's perfectly flat, but you want something that meets people's expectations. Right. And so if every, if everything is mixed to these Yamahas for instance, then you're gonna mix it in this in, and it's gonna sound like what people want it to sound like. Expect it to sound like. Right. Because there isn't a, there isn't, there's no perfect sound. Right. So

Caller Vidak (02:20:04):
I know. So basically, whichever ones I get, either the JBLs or the Yamahas, I'm not gonna make a mistake. Is that what

Leo Laporte (02:20:11):
You're Yeah, I think that's what we're, that's gonna be

Caller Vidak (02:20:12):
Perfect.

Mikah Sargent (02:20:13):
Yeah. With no issues. Okay. And

Leo Laporte (02:20:15):
I like it Bento that you like those JBLs. That's good.

Caller Vidak (02:20:18):
Yeah. Those Can I ask another

Mikah Sargent (02:20:19):
For your now? Yeah.

Caller Vidak (02:20:22):
Ask, go ahead. Another question, which is not, we're switching to film photography now. Okay. I know you like

Leo Laporte (02:20:29):
That film. Film. Yes. That's Chris Martz. He wrote a whole book on film photography. He's the guy who Yes. And I suckered me into getting a film camera. Did he really

Mikah Sargent (02:20:37):
<Laugh>?

Caller Vidak (02:20:40):
I, I kind of dabble in it. I like doing stuff with my hands in, which is not click o there's the photo. I like thinking about it.

Leo Laporte (02:20:50):
That's the only reason to do it that way. Yeah.

Caller Vidak (02:20:52):
Right, right. And I'm now looking for scanners that can scan film. I am looking at the Epson V 600 and the Epson V 850 Chrome. I

Leo Laporte (02:21:07):
Think they're very good. That, that's what I've always used. Epson's got good sc remember a film scanner is the opposite of a paper scanner because instead of bouncing right off of it, there's shining light through it. And so it has to have a slightly different configuration. I think those epson's do both. They come with nice little holders. I think they're very good. I I've always thought Epson did the very good job with those.

Caller Vidak (02:21:31):
Here's my, here's my dilemma though. I am having, it's, it's a more complicated process. If you want to get in eg. If you wanna get the v eight 50. Yeah. I can get the V 600. Will I be losing something if I got the lower

Leo Laporte (02:21:49):
Grade? No, no, no. Get the lower grade. Whatever. That's fine. It's slower. That's all.

Caller Vidak (02:21:53):
It's lower. Oh, I don't care about speed. I mean, as long as it does it. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:21:57):
No, no, it's

Caller Vidak (02:21:58):
Fine. As long as it's skins.

Leo Laporte (02:21:59):
I think it's just a little slower. I think the optics are the same.

Caller Vidak (02:22:02):
All right. That's thank you very much guys.

Leo Laporte (02:22:05):
Good to talk to you. Take care of Vidak. Thank you. Take all, we gotta take care before we go. We should go. We're way over time. But I gotta go to space. To

Mikah Sargent (02:22:11):
Space. The final

Leo Laporte (02:22:13):
Frontier to space and beyond. Which one is that?

Mikah Sargent (02:22:15):
I don't see names on this. Ah, so I couldn't tell you.

Leo Laporte (02:22:19):
Okay. Douglas Ferguson.

Mikah Sargent (02:22:21):
Douglas Douglas Ferguson.

Leo Laporte (02:22:23):
Come on down. Well, no, no. Stay up there. Stay in space. Don't come down yet. I like the space. Hi Douglas. Welcome to ask the tech guys.

Caller Douglas (02:22:36):
Hi, Leo. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:22:38):
Oh,

Caller Douglas (02:22:39):
Oh. I got a, I got a tough one for you.

Leo Laporte (02:22:42):
Oh, shoot. <Laugh>. It's about printers. It was freezing. I have

Caller Douglas (02:22:45):
Good, so hot printers. It's not printers. Don't worry. Good. I have a Nikon D five D 5,300. And this past week I just bought a Sigma one 50 to 600 millimeter lens. Now I took it out to an air show yesterday and I found out that when I was trying to shoot planes in the sky, it wouldn't focus and it wouldn't, the shutter button wouldn't trigger.

Leo Laporte (02:23:12):
Oh shoot.

Caller Douglas (02:23:13):
So I put the, I put the, I put the, the, the lens into manual focus and set it an infinity. And I actually got some really good shots with that. Gimme a second

Leo Laporte (02:23:26):
Here. That's the best fix, right? It's not ideal, but that's the best fix. Sometimes, yeah. I guess those Sigmas is a third party lens that Sigmas didn't support the Nikon Electronics. Let's see, I don't know

Caller Douglas (02:23:36):
If you can see.

Leo Laporte (02:23:37):
Oh, look at that. Wow. Some Is that the Blue Angels you got there?

Caller Douglas (02:23:41):
Yeah, that's the Blue Angels. They were there. Nice. so it's, it's that's, so I also played around with another lens that I had, which is, by the way, they're,

Leo Laporte (02:23:50):
They're going hundreds of miles an hour <laugh>. So that's a really great shot. You must have had a ver you weren't following it. You had a high shutter speed.

Caller Douglas (02:23:58):
No, I was following it, but I, wow. I'm trying to get used to handling the big

Leo Laporte (02:24:03):
Very nice,

Caller Douglas (02:24:04):
The big camera.

Leo Laporte (02:24:05):
That's very crisp. That's really well done. That's impressive.

Caller Douglas (02:24:08):
Stop sharing this. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:24:10):
Yeah. I mean obviously it's a little less than infinity <laugh>.

Caller Douglas (02:24:14):
Yeah. But it's, it was close

Leo Laporte (02:24:16):
Out really.

Caller Douglas (02:24:16):
It came out really, especially

Leo Laporte (02:24:18):
If you shoot it as a higher aperture, it's gonna be crisp enough. Yeah. That's beautiful.

Caller Douglas (02:24:21):
Yeah. I didn't know if there was anything special I need to set on the on the camera for a, cuz this, this lens has auto focus built in. So I didn't know if there was anything, I mean, if I shoot something on the ground, like the, the, the distance something, it was sharp as could be. It focused and shot, but it

Leo Laporte (02:24:43):
Was just, oh, it just didn't do a, so that's interesting. And maybe there's a switch on that Sigma. Some lenses have a switch for the focal range. Like you could, so that if you're doing it closer, I know many of my longer lenses, I,

Caller Douglas (02:24:56):
There's a switch. There's a, there's a, there's a switch for the, for the focus. Yeah. You could either have it be the full auto focus or 10 meters to infinity. Right. Or 2.8 meters to 10 meters. And

Leo Laporte (02:25:06):
You had it set properly but it was still wasn't focusing.

Caller Douglas (02:25:09):
Yeah. But I mean I couldn't even trigger the, the, the shutter button wouldn't work. So I missed a couple of good

Leo Laporte (02:25:15):
Shots. Oh, that's annoying. It may And is it, do you know Oh that's interesting. Cuz it's because it's up against a blue sky. There may or not have been a, it may not have been able to focus. Depends on how it was doing the focusing.

Caller Douglas (02:25:31):
I, I actually tried it today again with my, my regular 60 to 300 zoom lens that I have and it wasn't doing it either. Yeah. So I don't know if there's something in the camera that I'm not setting. Right.

Leo Laporte (02:25:43):
I think it's Sigma. Honestly, I think it's, it's a mismatch between the 5,300 and the Sigma.

Caller Douglas (02:25:48):
Well, I mean the, the, the lens is shooting fine if like I, you

Leo Laporte (02:25:51):
Know Yeah. But it's the electronics. Right. It's not the optics, it's the electronics that are mismatched Edmonton. Oiler guy says the 5,300 needs a G type lens. I don't know. A G type lens. Yeah. Okay. It may be that, that you need to look at the Sigma site and say, I need a lens for specifically this camera. Cause what it is the electronics have to have to interface properly.

Caller Douglas (02:26:12):
I, I looked around and they said it was compatible. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So, and it wasn't a cheap lens either. No,

Leo Laporte (02:26:18):
I bet not. No. Do you have any thoughts? It's, yeah, that's an old camera, old camera processor. An old processor. So it's maybe not. You wanna be slow, might not fast. Slowly focus. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I think you did the best, the best thing, which is a focus on infinity or just slightly lessened and and set it to a high aperture, high shutter speed. You got a great shot.

Caller Douglas (02:26:44):
Yeah, I, well I got a bunch of great shots. Yeah. So the the, today I went out and tried to shoot at my model airplane field. I tried to shoot some, some pictures. But shooting model aircraft is not easy.

Leo Laporte (02:26:57):
<Laugh>. They're little <laugh>.

Caller Douglas (02:26:59):
Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, but I, they're

Leo Laporte (02:27:00):
Little and they're fast

Caller Douglas (02:27:02):
<Laugh>. So the other thing I did today was I ordered the USB doc for the, for the lens. So I'll try updating me ah, from where? Firmware on the lens. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:27:14):
That could be. Or Yeah. Or the firmware on the camera. It may and Ant just thinks it's, you know, that's his, that's the best you're gonna be able to do with that lens on that body.

Caller Douglas (02:27:26):
Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:27:28):
That's a tough as if you think about it. That's a very, that's the toughest kind of focusing. You're focusing on blue sky at an infinite distance. It's not gonna focus. I frankly, many of, yeah. Many of my lenses won't focus on a blue sky. You know, cuz it's just debating. It's nothing to focus on. I dunno.

Caller Douglas (02:27:46):
Yeah. So, yeah. But I mean, the shots that I took came out fantastic. I think

Leo Laporte (02:27:50):
That's what you do. Just do what you did on everything else is gonna be fine. Anything that you can, it can focus on. But there's nothing for it to focus on the, on the blue sky. I think it's just not able to

Caller Douglas (02:28:00):
Yeah. Well there's, there's, there's airplanes for it to focus on. I got some really, really great shots. Hold on, I'll show you one more.

Leo Laporte (02:28:04):
Were you able to focus, like if an airplane was at a great distance and you could focus it then and then keep that focus, maybe that would work. I don't know.

Caller Douglas (02:28:12):
Yeah. I just, I just said it to infinity.

Leo Laporte (02:28:15):
Infinity

Caller Douglas (02:28:16):
And left it there

Leo Laporte (02:28:17):
To Infinity and beyond.

Caller Douglas (02:28:19):
So there's another one.

Leo Laporte (02:28:20):
Oh, look at that. Look at that. How long is that lens?

Caller Douglas (02:28:25):
The, the max on it is, is 600 millimeters.

Leo Laporte (02:28:28):
It looks like it

Caller Douglas (02:28:29):
<Laugh>, but it's because I have an APC sensor, it's actually 900 millimeters.

Leo Laporte (02:28:33):
900. Wow. And it That's beautiful.

Caller Douglas (02:28:37):
The, the, the with the lens was I couldn't go wide enough sometimes when they did the maneuvers where they would like Right.

Leo Laporte (02:28:45):
So long

Caller Douglas (02:28:45):
Where they would like break off. Yeah. And I couldn't One

Leo Laporte (02:28:49):
Goes this way and one goes that way.

Caller Douglas (02:28:51):
Yeah. I couldn't do that. So but

Leo Laporte (02:28:54):
Great shots,

Caller Douglas (02:28:56):
You know, these are, these are just

Leo Laporte (02:28:59):
Wow. That upside down. That's incredible. Yeah. If you ever get a chance to see the Blue Angels, they are something I yeah.

Caller Douglas (02:29:06):
This was the first time I've seen the Blue Angels. I've seen the Thunderbolts. The Thunderbirds before. Yeah. but I personally think the Blue Angels are better. I

Leo Laporte (02:29:13):
Love 'em. I got offered Ooh, that's two times shot, twice got offered to go for a ride with those guys. I said no, both times.

Caller Douglas (02:29:21):
You're an

Leo Laporte (02:29:21):
Idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. But I don't like roller coasters. So my, my partner Patrick Norton went and yeah, he passed out. I say, did he pass out or

Caller Douglas (02:29:31):
Throw out? But the, the, the, the funny thing is I was thinking when the show was over, I was thinking, these guys are thinking we get paid for this.

Leo Laporte (02:29:37):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:29:39):
Yeah, they get, they have fun don't they? But it's risky. Those guys are really taking their life in their hands. Yeah.

Caller Douglas (02:29:44):
They also had a I got a really good shot here. This was a oh, world Wari

Leo Laporte (02:29:52):
Look at that. A world wari.

Caller Douglas (02:29:53):
Oh.

Leo Laporte (02:29:54):
I love this lens. I'm happy with this lens. Do not send it back.

Caller Douglas (02:29:59):
This is a World War ii vampire. A World War II jet fighter.

Leo Laporte (02:30:04):
Wow. Look at the clarity That is spectacular.

Caller Douglas (02:30:08):
Somebody was commenting that they're, they're flying 80 year old planes. I said, well, the B 50 twos 60 years old and we're still flying that. There you go. So but you know, I mean I'm, I'm, I'm pretty happy with the pictures I got. Yeah. You shoot, it's just a little frustrating. Yeah. but when I was playing around with the lens, like, you know, shooting things at a distance on the ground, it was focusing fine.

Leo Laporte (02:30:29):
Yeah. I think that's it. It's just not, it can't get the, it can't get grab

Caller Douglas (02:30:33):
The focus. Yeah. I, I talked to other people who've, who've I'm listening to from other people who photographed aircraft and they said, it's not easy.

Leo Laporte (02:30:38):
It's not easy is right. That's why those are great pictures. Yeah. You really did a great job. You got the Air Pruitt seal of approval, my friend. We gotta run. Thank you Douglas.

Caller Douglas (02:30:47):
Well thank you very much and I'm a recent Club Twit subscriber and thank

Leo Laporte (02:30:51):
You support. Thank you.

Caller Douglas (02:30:53):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:30:53):
Really appreciate it.

Caller Douglas (02:30:55):
I've never used Discord before, so I'm trying to get used to that

Leo Laporte (02:30:57):
<Laugh>. It's a, you know, I know sometimes a lot of times people join the club and they don't end up in the Discord. And that's a shame because the, the, the, the community in there is fantastic and it goes all the time, not just during shows. So we're, I'm right now in the, in the Asthe tech guys Discord, but there's Discords about photography too. Oh yeah. There's all sorts of stuff.

Caller Douglas (02:31:17):
It's kind of funny. My son uses Discord. Not your Discord, but he uses

Leo Laporte (02:31:21):
Discord Kids, the kids know Discord. Yeah.

Caller Douglas (02:31:23):
He plays Dungeons and Dragon. It's funny, my son's six now, but you know, at one point he was like about 14 and I was at his computer. I said, what are you doing? He says, oh, I'm updating Malware Bites. And I'm like, where did you learn this <laugh>? I fantastic. I you know, I

Leo Laporte (02:31:40):
Smart kid, the,

Caller Douglas (02:31:41):
The the program that lets you switch, I forget what it's called lets you switch scenes and everything. Yeah. os I mentioned that. Yeah. Ab O bs. I mentioned that to me. Oh, I've been using that for a year. Ah,

Leo Laporte (02:31:55):
Okay. But the program dad, come on. So

Caller Douglas (02:31:58):
He's, yeah, he streams on Twitch. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:32:00):
Nice.

Caller Douglas (02:32:01):
He just, he graduated from this past year he graduated from a school called Joe Hubert. It's a art school. A lot of Ghanaian people know it. Wonderful. and he's been hunting for, been hunting for a job as a graphic artist, so.

Leo Laporte (02:32:17):
Wow. Best of luck. That's

Caller Douglas (02:32:18):
Fantastic. But

Leo Laporte (02:32:20):
That's what you wanted to do. That was, yeah, that's what I originally went to school for. See, see what happened to Micah. So you never know. You'd never know.

Caller Douglas (02:32:27):
Yeah. He's been getting, he's been getting commissions. The funny thing is he did a logo for my website and then he charged me for it.

Leo Laporte (02:32:33):
Good for him. Smart kid. That's exactly what he should do. No freebies for you. Dad. dad, thank you so much for the call. Great to talk to you, Douglas. We really do have to run. We're way behind. But it's so great to see you. Great shots. Oh, that's okay. Thumbs up.

Caller Douglas (02:32:47):
I think I'll just have to deal with it as it is and yeah,

Leo Laporte (02:32:50):
I I don't, I wouldn't return it. I think it's working as, as photos. Incredible photos. Yeah.

Caller Douglas (02:32:56):
I have another air show in two weeks and we'll see how that goes. That's not Jets, that's the mainly just regular aerobatics and some World Two plane.

Leo Laporte (02:33:06):
Good. Call us back. Show us what you, what you got.

Caller Douglas (02:33:09):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:33:10):
All right.

Caller Douglas (02:33:11):
I got some, I've actually got some interesting video

Leo Laporte (02:33:14):
Shot. Won't you won't be very good on the Chris Marwar photo assignment though. It's dull. I don't think he's gonna do well on Dull. Yeah, you can't do any dull shots can you, <laugh>? Hey. Thank you for joining the club. We appreciate it. Seven bucks a month. I'll give it a little plug. Twit TV slash club twit. Not only the Discord, you get ad-free versions of all the shows you get. Shows we don't even put out in public. Like Micah's Hands on Macintosh. The brand new home theater geeks with Scott Wilkinson and it really helps us develop new stuff like this show. This show wouldn't exist without the club. Please. We appreciate it. Tweet that tv slash club to it. We are at it. We are way out of time. Way outta time. We are 20 minutes over so it's time for me to say thank you Micah, Sergeant and thank you Leola Port.

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Thank you to Dick d Bartolo. Next week I'm gonna show you, I've got the new Amazon Kindle scribe, which is their notebook with a pen that you can write with. So I'm gonna compare that to the remarkable two. Excellent, which we've played with, and an iPad note taking on an iPad. So three different note taking devices, which one's the best for you? We'll talk about that next week. Of course, we'll take all your calls to, if you want to email us, ATG TWIT tv, leave us a voicemail, 8 8 8 7 2 4 28 84. And of course, call twit TV next week during the show. I'm Leola Port. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next time. Have a great geek week. Bye-Bye.