Ask the Tech Guys Episode 1975 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for us, the tech guys. I'm Leo Laport. Coming up, I'm gonna show you how I could break into TWI using this simple device.

Mikah Sargent (00:00:06):
And I'm Micah Sergeant and we are going to talk to a dog Walker who wants to send videos of the dog walks to their clients.

Leo Laporte (00:00:13):
Plus a visit with photographer Chris Markt. And we debut our brand new phone number. Ask the Tech Guys is next podcasts you love

Mikah Sargent (00:00:24):
From people you trust.

Leo Laporte (00:00:26):
This this is, is twit. Is Twit.

This is asked the Tech guys with Micah, Sergeant and Leo LaPorte. Episode 1975 for Sunday, May 21st, 2023. I'm just playing Snake. Ask the Tech Guys is brought to you by Miro. Miro is your team's online workspace to connect, collaborate and create together. Tap into a way to map processes, systems, and plans with a whole team. Get your first three boards for free to start creating your best work yet at And buy brook linen. Brook linens bundles will help you save time and money. Whether you're outfitting a bedroom, bathroom, or both. For a limited time, go to and get $20 off plus free shipping on orders of a hundred bucks. Plus with the Code Tech guy and buy Mint Mobile Mint Mobile's Secret Sauce is they're the first company to sell wireless service online only. Get your new wireless plan for just 15 bucks a month and get the plan shipped to your door for free. Go to mint and buy fast mail. Reclaim your privacy, boost productivity and make email yours with fast mail. Try it now free for 30 slash well hey, hey, hey. How are you today? It's time. Ask the tech guys. I'm Leon Laport.

Mikah Sargent (00:01:59):
And I'm Micah Sergeant.

Leo Laporte (00:02:00):
And we have a jam packet show for you today. We

Mikah Sargent (00:02:03):
Do. And a and a phone

Leo Laporte (00:02:05):
Number. And a phone number. That's probably the biggest news, isn't it? It's the phone number is one Tug <LAUGH> 72 hot tug one tug. No, it's, well that's how, it's, that's what it spells, but it's not, that's not useful or is it?

Mikah Sargent (00:02:23):
Who knows? But

Leo Laporte (00:02:23):
That's a good mnemonic.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:25):
You can also call 8 8 8 7 2 4 2 8 84

Leo Laporte (00:02:30):
Or one tug 72 Hot tug <laugh>. And that number will, it's a little complicated cuz that number will put you in a a, a a thing <laugh>. And then our producer, John Ashley will, you'll hear a thing that you'll hear of my voice saying, Hey, we're gonna move you. And then we move you to clear the line so we have more people can call in than just one. We'll move you in and there's into the, the Zoom call. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, you don't have to do anything. You'll still be on the phone, you'll hear, and right when you hear us say, Hey, welcome. What's your name? Or whatever, then you'll have to press star six to unmute. Correct? Yes. So remember that Star six to unmute. If you call one tug 72 hot tug <laugh> star six to unmute. This is getting more and more complicated as at by the minute, <laugh>, I

Mikah Sargent (00:03:20):
Think the biggest thing to understand is that you'll be taken care of most of the way. The only thing you will need to do on your end is that star six when it comes time to talk. So worry not, they'll push all the other buttons for you. It's

Leo Laporte (00:03:32):
Just that star six. And I thought radio was complicated. <Laugh>. Oh my goodness. We also have coming up in a little bit about two hours. We're gonna get Mr. Chris Markk. Yes. Our photo guy with a brand new assignment and a, and an assignment review. Rod pile is on a train, so he can't join us as he would normally a space train or a space train. Okay. And I'm gonna show you a it was a Kickstarter, they called it a multi-tool for hackers. Hmm. ooh. Wow. A multi tool for hackers. Now they, they bill it a multi-tool for nerds. It's called the Flipper Zero. And I've been playing with it and it is so much fun. So we'll show you a little bit what we could do with the flipper. Zero. We looking to that card key or something like that.

What else? Oh, news. We, I mentioned radio. Did I have, we mentioned on the show that n there is a movement by most of the car manufacturers to eliminate AM radios from your cars. The EVs have done it earlier. My, just because they say the noise from electric motor is bad for the am you know, AM doesn't have an outside antenna like FM does. Am has a little coil, little copper coil. Is that right? Burke, you probably know all about this little copper coil. And it's so it's ins internal and it, it's more effective because of the frequency. It's more effective.

Mikah Sargent (00:04:52):
I remember someone telling me they used the cars frame to do that. Now feel like they

Leo Laporte (00:04:55):
May actually, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. Anyway Ford announced it first than a number of other manufacturers announced it. Now there's a movement of foot in Congress to, to save AM radio probably I would guess bill sponsored by the AM Radio Stations of America, <laugh>. But there's good reason. There are places you go in this country where you can't get cell signal. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So there's emergency reasons. You might want an AM AM radio, if there's a twister at coming, you might wanna have your AM radio on so you can hear it. Emergencies, things like that. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:05:27):
In fact, I remember reading something ages ago about how there was the ability to access radio from the iPhone and that they had sort of included that because it was a requirement for those emergency reasons.

Leo Laporte (00:05:41):
Right. Many phones have an AM radio in them. Or actually it's an fmx. I think it's, but, and you use the see, here's the problem. You use the headphones jack and the headphones as an antenna. Oh, that ain't gonna work on some of the modern phones. Apple dropped that out. Although it is thought that the hardware may still be in there. There was a big investigation. I don't remember what the upshot of what that was. Yeah. Anyway, we'll talk about, Hey look, we got something new. What's that? We got a mailbox for our emails. Let's see if there's anything in there right now. Oh, look, there is. Oh, my sweatshirt came. Oh, I've been waiting for this. I've been Wait, <laugh>

Mikah Sargent (00:06:21):
Look, the mailbox really wants to be part of the show. It's totally understandable.

Leo Laporte (00:06:24):
This is something I ordered. It's a little, it's a little less timely now than it was. I got this at a fun run. Oh my God. The SVB Silicon Valley Bank run of 2023. Oh

Mikah Sargent (00:06:36):
My God. Isn't

Leo Laporte (00:06:37):
That great? Oh, wow. Isn't that hysterical? You may remember it wasn't exactly a fun run, <laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (00:06:43):
No. There was no fun involved. Was

Leo Laporte (00:06:44):
There? It wasn't that fun. One other piece of business, before we get to our first phone calls, I think we have some phone calls. Neva is shutting down now. You don't know Neva Probably. I,

Mikah Sargent (00:06:55):
I know Neva. I tried it a little bit. I went back to what I was using before, but I know Neva matters a lot to you.

Leo Laporte (00:07:00):
It matters to me. So I was looking for a way to do searches without giving Google all that information. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> I wanted something that worked well. Neva is five bucks a month. Started by one of the lead ad guys who left Google five bucks. It started about five years ago. Five bucks a month. I, I'm not sure where they got their search results from, but it's d Googled. I think it's mostly Bing. And then one of the things they did early on, and you could see it here, is they added AI search results that I thought were quite good. I did a search for ask the tech guys and look at even, you know, this isn't your typical AI where it doesn't know modern times they know about you and me doing. Ask the tech guys

Mikah Sargent (00:07:41):
And they have little links to where they got the information.

Leo Laporte (00:07:44):
Yeah. I really appreciate the footnotes here. See, so does think the Tech Guy's show is still on, which is not so Well it is, but just not with me. Which, you know, rich tomorrow now. So anyway, Neva apparently did not get enough attention. I tried. You did.

Mikah Sargent (00:08:06):
I tried. You sold a

Leo Laporte (00:08:07):
Lot of people about it. And they're shutting down June 2nd. They will refund people's money. And

Mikah Sargent (00:08:14):
They, they, well, they blame it on a changing search landscape.

Leo Laporte (00:08:18):
Well, it's just hard to start a new search engine, which is disappointing to me. I think that's one of the things I would like to see. But Google's got emote even though they put out that <laugh> memo that says we don't have a moat. Oh, they have a moat. <Laugh>. Oh, they have a moat. And it's pretty hard to compete. So it's gonna be, it's gonna, I think gonna end up being Google and Microsoft. Yeah. With their Bing search engine. Brave. Which is, you know, that D Googled Chrome browser and it has very privacy forward extensions built in. Say they have their own search and they say they're doing it all themselves now. They used to contract with Bing, I think. Yeah, I think Bing now might be charging them. They weren't not able to get enough subscribers, Neva. And so they're, they're shutting down. So I'm sorry if I moved you over to Neva with my, my praises, but it's over. Hmm. And it is too bad. I think we need more competition.

Mikah Sargent (00:09:10):
Do you consider Dr Go as competition too? Yeah. Being in Google.

Leo Laporte (00:09:14):
Yeah. Although it is mostly I think they, they use Bing and I think they de Google Start page says this too. Most of the search engines, this is the problem. It's so hard to make a big search engine at Index and it takes so long. Most of the search engines don't do their own. That's why Brave would be interesting. We'll watch what happens. Interesting. With Brave. Now we could talk about that. We could talk about AM radio. We could answer your questions. Again. The number one Tug 72 Hot tug <laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (00:09:44):
Or 8 8 8 7 2 4 2 8 8 4.

Leo Laporte (00:09:47):
It actually does spell 88. 88. 88. 88. 87. 24 <laugh> hot. No, A T T G. We couldn't get, we couldn't get anything really good except one Tug 72 Hot Tug. Whoever was,

Mikah Sargent (00:10:03):
Whoever was the person who said that in the chat, you are in trouble because now Leo's gonna, I'm

Leo Laporte (00:10:08):
Never gonna stop. And that person knows perfectly well

Mikah Sargent (00:10:11):
What they've done. You know,

Leo Laporte (00:10:12):
What they have done. Oh, now good

Mikah Sargent (00:10:14):
Luck with the number

Leo Laporte (00:10:15):
<Laugh>. I don't have John any control uhoh as you, as you've known for years, <laugh>. So I am out of control. So I'm just gonna let, should I let John Ashley do the do the walking,

Mikah Sargent (00:10:28):
Do this walking, do this

Leo Laporte (00:10:29):
Talking. Let John Ashley do the walking in the yellow. Oh, there it is. Oh.

Mikah Sargent (00:10:33):
Suddenly. Suddenly

Leo Laporte (00:10:35):
You see. Shall I start? Let's do it. Our first call today, Michael Price. Sorry Michael, I didn't say your last name. Right. But I'm not gonna say it anyway. Michael

Mikah Sargent (00:10:43):

Leo Laporte (00:10:44):
Ma ha ha. Hello. Come on down. Hello, Michael. Where are you calling from? Muted.

Caller Michael (00:10:49):
I cannot hear you at all.

Mikah Sargent (00:10:50):
Uhoh. We can hear you.

Leo Laporte (00:10:53):

Mikah Sargent (00:10:54):
We <laugh>.

Caller Michael (00:10:54):
There we go. There we go. There

Leo Laporte (00:10:56):
We go. <Laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (00:10:57):
Hi. Hello.

Leo Laporte (00:10:58):
Hey, Michael. Welcome. Where are you calling from?

Caller Michael (00:11:01):
Long Beach, California.

Leo Laporte (00:11:02):
Beautiful. Long Beach home with the Queen Mary. Yes.

Caller Michael (00:11:05):
The once we thought was gonna sink when Mary, but apparently they're gonna put some money. Are they gonna

Leo Laporte (00:11:10):
Fix it? Yeah. Cause it was rusting out and it was about to sink. That's Yeah. What what's going on in your world, Michael?

Caller Michael (00:11:16):
Oh, have a a, a Bluetooth ghost in the machine. Question for you. Two lad. Ooh. So I have a pair of EdFi powered bookshelf speakers in my home office.

Leo Laporte (00:11:26):
I have those too, as a matter of fact at home. Yeah.

Caller Michael (00:11:28):
Yeah. And normally what I do, I use them with a, it's a probably a second gen echo dot. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> went back when it looked like a hockey puck. So it's line out from there. And then RCA jacks into the into the speaker. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. And every, and you can, and you can switch between the two modes. You press and hold the volume button and green light for line in, press it again. Blue light for Bluetooth. And I occasionally use it from my MacBook for kind of some of the more esoteric, you know, pieces of music that I have that are not on Spotify or whatever. Yeah. And so, and Super Bowl Sunday, I remember this is when it happened. I had watched the game in my living room, totally unrelated to these speakers. And I'm sitting at my office afterwards and all of a sudden I hear this cheering and announcers and hear this star Spangled Banner playing on my speakers.

I'm like, wait a minute. It was like, he was great. I don't know the guy, but he was fantastic. <Laugh>. and, and I'm like, you know, echo stop, stop. And it kept going. And I had to like yank every, pull it out. The call's coming from inside the house, right? Yeah. I pulled every, I pulled all the plugs and then maybe about a week later I get these and it, it's been happening since then. These intermittent kind of like garlings of sound from these speakers. And I noticed it's on Bluetooth. So what I'm wondering is, did somebody, did some poor fool watched the Super Bowl or the re because it was the replay. It was after the game. Uhhuh <affirmative>. And you

Leo Laporte (00:12:54):
Weren't watching that in the living room?

Caller Michael (00:12:56):
No, not I was in the living room totally unrelated to these speakers.

Leo Laporte (00:12:59):
So somehow it must be your neighbor.

Caller Michael (00:13:02):
Somebody maybe saw EdFi a Edifier must be my speaker. Yeah. Yeah. And they connected to the bl because it, it's not a smart system No. To speak. You know what I mean? We could see

Leo Laporte (00:13:11):

Mikah Sargent (00:13:11):
Oh, so just, it's just that's normally pair compare.

Leo Laporte (00:13:14):
Yeah. Normally with Pair says, what's the six digit?

Caller Michael (00:13:17):
You know, my, my neighbors are, it's about a, like a, on either side. It's about like a driveways width. It's kind of close, compact. I could

Leo Laporte (00:13:23):
See it. This area. Yeah.

Caller Michael (00:13:25):
So it, and I, I just don't know. Do I knock on their door?

Mikah Sargent (00:13:28):
Stop it. <Laugh>, I think you, if there's, so EdFi probably has a, an inbuilt Bluetooth factory reset.

Leo Laporte (00:13:37):
Yeah. Let me show you. Cuz I have these speakers. Do you have the remote for these speakers too?

Caller Michael (00:13:41):
I, I, I think I do. Yeah. Yeah, I do.

Leo Laporte (00:13:43):
So I guess without getting up, if you took the remote with you, you could turn 'em off. But these, these, you know, I bought these for Lisa cuz I thought, well this will do everything. If you look at the back of it, it will do everything. It has Bluetooth,

Caller Michael (00:13:58):
PC n linens. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:14:00):
You can connect anything to it. And I think that makes it a little bit more complex, which is kind of a, a disadvantage. I and I guess they're probably not securing the Bluetooth as they should. Well, they're letting anybody sees it broadcast to

Caller Michael (00:14:16):
It. The, the thing I've noticed though is so I might be in line in mode, so I know there's a green light. Yeah. But if I send something from my, my MacBook and connect it, it go, it switches automatically to Bluetooth mode. Wow. And it may be that it hangs in Bluetooth mode after that.

Leo Laporte (00:14:32):

Caller Michael (00:14:34):
So I, I'm, yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:14:35):
And you want it to do that? Yeah. You don't, you don't want to have to manually switch it back to line mode every time you're done.

Caller Michael (00:14:42):
Yeah. But it's, it's all of a, I'll be, I'll be in another room out here.

Mikah Sargent (00:14:48):

Leo Laporte (00:14:48):
Awful. Does it stop or do you have to stop it?

Caller Michael (00:14:51):
It's, it's eventually it's gotten to the point it's stopped. And maybe it's been about a week or two. So maybe somebody realized, I think

Leo Laporte (00:14:58):
The neighbor's caught on. I think you're exactly right. And this is, this is a huge flaw in Bluetooth. In fact, I name <laugh> Bluetooth devices now, you know, when you first get a phone it'll say, you know, Leo's 16th iPhone or whatever, I always name them with a code name cuz I don't want people to know what they're seeing on the Bluetooth. But if you, you know, this, this came up. I had a, I have a Bluetooth bicycle helmet. And and

Caller Michael (00:15:24):
Hopefully you would've that What did it, did it

Mikah Sargent (00:15:26):
Have headphones in it or

Leo Laporte (00:15:27):
Something? Yeah, it's lava. L I V A L L. They're great. But anyway and in fact it has a turn signal that's Bluetooths that I could put on my Oh, neat. Yeah. Anyway <laugh>, when I was driving down the street, I, I, I, I wanted a pair to it and I opened up my phone and you see hundreds of Bluetooth signals everywhere you go. Yeah. Bluetooth is constantly broadcasting like this. It's crazy. And it's, you know, it's not insecure except our brains. Except that if somebody like Edifier makes a speaker that doesn't do a pairing mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, then anybody who can see you're EdFi speakers if they're out on the street or whatever, or your neighbors can send something to it. Yeah. That's a flaw. Is there a way to fix it? Obviously that's just, see, cause there should

Mikah Sargent (00:16:13):
Be two different, there should be a pairing mode and then there should be the Bluetooth is on, but it's not

Caller Michael (00:16:18):
Shiny. A smart speaker will have a pairing mode, like will have a pairing mode. My Google Home will have a, Hey, go into this mode.

Leo Laporte (00:16:24):
And if I clearly didn't see, first thing I do is, is look to see if there's a firmware update. That might be, cuz they might have realized, hey, this is a, this is a terrible solution.

Caller Michael (00:16:34):
It's bizarre. And it's, it's so bizarre cuz it happened on Super Bowl Sunday and again. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:16:38):
And they were watching the replay, which is hysterical. Yeah. yeah. I, anyway, and I think they caught on by the way they caught on because they, you know, they, they'd stopped, which meant why don't I, yeah. You know, you could see your neighbor banging his head against the wall saying, why don't I hear the audio? You might, I wanna hear the, I still trying

Caller Michael (00:16:55):
To watch the superpower turn in February. <Laugh> turn the

Mikah Sargent (00:16:57):
Volume up really high on the speaker the next time it happens. Then they'll hear it coming through the wall and go, oh my gosh, those aren't my

Leo Laporte (00:17:03):
Speakers. This is Ed Fire's neighbor introduction program. <Laugh>, it's a way to meet your neighbors. I, you know, I mean, the easiest thing to do would be just as a, if, as a favor to them go over and say, Hey, every once in a while I hear your audio on mice because you don't know which neighbor it is. But I think I might hear your audio, my speaker, I just wanna let know, luckily

Caller Michael (00:17:20):
They're, they're not watching things from their computer, if you know what I mean. No,

Mikah Sargent (00:17:23):
Golly. Can you imagine <laugh>?

Leo Laporte (00:17:25):
I Yeah. Just imagine what could happen. Yeah. And the, and the, and this is why it's a prank thing as well. Yeah. the other

Caller Michael (00:17:32):
Thing, using the old cable remote to turn off your neighbor's tv,

Leo Laporte (00:17:35):
I would look and see in the soft, I, there is no software interface. There's no Edifier app as I remember. You just,

Caller Michael (00:17:41):
And these are older, these are probably from like 2000. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:17:44):
I don't think even mine have, have an app. Cuz these, those are pretty new. I think. Again, I think

Caller Michael (00:17:49):
Otherwise I think it was solved. But, but

Leo Laporte (00:17:51):
I'm curious.

Caller Michael (00:17:52):
No, it's a great, I'm not crazy.

Leo Laporte (00:17:53):
No, you're not crazy. And it's in fact possible in a lot of circumstances that somebody could see a Bluetooth speaker and if those Bluetooth speakers don't have protection, send sound to it. It is exactly why I rename all Bluetooth devices. I can, I don't think you can with the Edifier. Yeah. and if somebody knows the name Edifier, they see it. They say, oh, it's an, there's a, well

Caller Michael (00:18:14):
You can rename it on the, on the device. It's going to, I believe like within your phone.

Mikah Sargent (00:18:17):
Yeah. This doesn't change it on the other end. It,

Caller Michael (00:18:19):
It's, you can't change it from the route is the point.

Mikah Sargent (00:18:22):
The local device records wonder

Leo Laporte (00:18:24):
Though, if you change it locally, if it will. Well,

Mikah Sargent (00:18:25):
The, so the,

Leo Laporte (00:18:26):
You can change your phone's name. I know.

Mikah Sargent (00:18:28):
No. So it's looking at the Mac address of the Bluetooth radio and then it matches. It reams it. Yeah. Yeah. But it's my understanding that that doesn't change it, that doesn't change it. Because if I pull out an Android phone, cause I've done this before with something that didn't end the Android first, the original name. Yeah. Unfortunately. And we're seeing too, cuz I, I looked into Edif Fire's own support and they talk about resetting the Bluetooth chip for the sake of trying to get it to repair again. But everything says to pair, you just go to that Bluetooth setting so there's no turn on pairing option.

Caller Michael (00:19:00):
Come on. I got a listening party going. It's cuz

Leo Laporte (00:19:02):
They were cheap, I think. And didn't wanna put a, didn't wanna do an app or didn't wanna do more. Yeah. they're good speakers and I love all the, all the, all the connectivity that they offer, which is kind of cool.

Mikah Sargent (00:19:12):
What you might do is, instead of doing Bluetooth through the Edifier, why not use the Echoes built in Bluetooth and then do Well I, I do.

Caller Michael (00:19:23):
It's just, it's from my Mac. I can't do it. Cause normally, oh, it's from Mac again. I'll, like, I'll use it for I'll, Hey play KP K oh sorry, aist. It's now called aist. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> or play Spotify. Or I'll send something from my phone or tablet or computer via Spotify to like those speakers. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So again, it's only when I'm playing, if I only use Bluetooth, if there's music on my own collection on my Mac. Got it. That's kind of that I know is not gonna be on Spotify, which is so it's like 2% of the time. I mean, I'm not gonna die. It's just, I wanted to make sure I wasn't going nuts

Leo Laporte (00:19:55):
In, in Siri. You know, once you've paired this is, I think this is a feature of the EDIFIER as it compared to multiple devices. Right? Yeah. So, you know, a lot of devices, once you pair it, it's only gonna speak to that

Mikah Sargent (00:20:04):
Device. That's a good point. This is a feature. Make it so that you can do it with a lot <laugh>. This

Leo Laporte (00:20:08):
Is a feature, so you can have everything speaking to the, it's not a good feature. Do you listen to LA s That's interesting. I've been reading about LA s it's a local Oh yeah, it's local.

Caller Michael (00:20:18):
LA's NPR R Yeah. Larry Mantle on Air Talk. I grew up, I was in New York for many years and we had our own local NPR person there. Or whatever. W N Y C. Yeah. Oh, Larry Mantle is the best heads and tails above this other guy.

Leo Laporte (00:20:35):
This is kpcc. Yeah, but what's but what's cool is, the reason I'm interested in it is this might be the future of local news because, you know, we are having a problem in this world where you don't have local newspapers anymore. You don't have, you know, all the, all those radio stations are using syndicated content. This is the problem with am. Yeah. You know, and this is one solution. I think that's very interesting. Well, I,

Caller Michael (00:20:58):
I think they bought like NYC bought up Gothamist. Yep. it's, it's that network of kind of Yeah. Public radio ish. Local.

Leo Laporte (00:21:07):
Local. But it's a website. Yeah. So you can

Caller Michael (00:21:08):
Listen and, and they, they've merged them in together. So Yeah. I

Leo Laporte (00:21:11):
Think it's, listen

Caller Michael (00:21:11):
Really interest. I don't wanna take too much time.

Leo Laporte (00:21:12):
Hey, great to talk to you. Thank

Caller Michael (00:21:13):
You Mike. And I do wanna say one thing from Micah. I was listening to the pre-show and Leo at one point you said, you know, Micah laid down the bass and I thought I heard a little chameleon. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Herby Hancock, are you

Leo Laporte (00:21:28):
A musician, sir

Caller Michael (00:21:29):
<Laugh>? I am sir. Yeah. Opera singer and et cetera. I

Leo Laporte (00:21:32):
Think we've talked before and you have an excellent, we have excellent microphone before. Hey, it's great talk to you. Thank you gentlemen. Take care. Appreciate it. Thanks a bye. First singer.

Caller Michael (00:21:38):
Have a great show

Leo Laporte (00:21:39):
Opera singer. Boom, boom, boom, boom. I don't know any operas that have a baseline like that. Yeah,

Caller Michael (00:21:43):

Leo Laporte (00:21:44):
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Mikah Sargent (00:25:11):
Supporting us. What the

Leo Laporte (00:25:12):
Actually supporting

Mikah Sargent (00:25:13):
Us Miro board.

Leo Laporte (00:25:14):
Yeah. another call. What are you, what are you in the mood for? I'm in

Mikah Sargent (00:25:18):
The mood for,

Leo Laporte (00:25:19):
I'm in, in the mood for Gary. Calling from just down the road. Hi, Gary <laugh>. Come on down. <Laugh>, did I press the right button? Did I bring him in? I think, oh, everything's kind of whooshed and magic. And now Al Gary is, it's blinking off and on and

Mikah Sargent (00:25:40):
Is thinking about

Leo Laporte (00:25:41):
It. Weird stuff. I brought him in. Do you see it, John? Yeah. You there? Okay, Gary, I think you're in turn on your turn on your camera if you want. You don't have to, but talk to us, huh?

Mikah Sargent (00:26:06):
Yeah, still saying connecting to audio. So,

Leo Laporte (00:26:08):
Oh, it takes a while to connect to audio. I don't understand how the technology works. Did I tell you that? <Laugh>? Could you be my tech guy? Yeah. Well, Gary, I'll tell you what,

Mikah Sargent (00:26:23):
We might have to come back to

Leo Laporte (00:26:24):
You. Well, I have to come back to you, Gary. Is

Mikah Sargent (00:26:26):
There a second, Gary? Because I saw someone else wave whenever you said

Leo Laporte (00:26:29):
Gary. I saw Dog Walker wave. That's Yes. Dog walker. Maybe that's, maybe that's his maybe that's his nickname. I dunno. Gary, I'm gonna move you back out into the other room and we'll pick up Dog Walker <laugh> 42 because that's the answer to the answer to a dog's life. Life. The world's. The universe. Universe and everything. And the dog's. Everything and everything. Hello dog Walker. Hi.

Dog Walker (00:26:55):
Hey, Leo and Micah. How are you? We're

Leo Laporte (00:26:57):
Great. Where are you calling from?

Dog Walker (00:26:59):
I'm calling from St. Paul Minnesota. But I used to listen to you out back in the day on the radio out in la

Leo Laporte (00:27:05):
Oh, we're so glad we could get you on. Welcome to the show.

Dog Walker (00:27:09):
Thank you. Thank you. Well, I'm starting my first business dog walking bus, one man business. Nice. it's been really exciting. It wasn't even a gleam in my eye on April 24th. And then you know, oh, the di the idea started to flow inspiration. And I've gotten so much done in the past three or so weeks. I

Leo Laporte (00:27:29):
Think I saw an email from you. Are you looking for a way to like send your customers video of their dogs going for a walk?

Dog Walker (00:27:37):
Yeah. I had, I got the body camera on Friday. Nice. And the mail. Yeah, it's pretty nifty. It's a little Bob A2 two and I had the fir first I had the idea for giving them a USB stick. I thought it would be tangible and more convenient for them. And then you know, I was in the chat room and someone suggested I I just do like a YouTube link.

Leo Laporte (00:28:05):
That's a great idea. Does the Bob loves Stream? How does it, what is it? What? I don't know.

Dog Walker (00:28:10):
I don't wanna do streaming. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:28:12):
You wanna do it after the fact? So you're recording.

Dog Walker (00:28:15):
Yeah. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna edit it. I want them to have the full thing, you know, that's kind of my

Leo Laporte (00:28:22):
Idea. Fluffy Fluffy's walk today. Yeah, right. That's a great idea. A lot

Dog Walker (00:28:28):
Of, a lot of people assume that it was for, you know, like safety, like for getting blamed for something. It was like, no, I'm like really good with dogs. And I think you know, the, the clients will appreciate that having and be able to see.

Leo Laporte (00:28:40):
Yeah. And if you're a dog walker, you gotta you know, give people some, like why choose you? Right. Right, right. So that's a really nice thing. You know, see a video of your dog's walk every day afterwards. I love that idea. I think it's a great idea.

Dog Walker (00:28:57):
Yeah. Yeah. And I can get pretty animated. I mean, I just love being with dogs. So do

Leo Laporte (00:29:00):
You do just one dog at a time or do you multiple dogs?

Dog Walker (00:29:04):
I haven't opened, I haven't opened up my doors yet. I'm getting it all set up. I'm, I have zero clients right now. Yeah. So

Leo Laporte (00:29:09):
Where's your website? Do you have the dog Walker 40 site yet?

Dog Walker (00:29:13):
No. No. Well, my name is Trent and but the website is carrot top dog walker

Leo Laporte (00:29:21):
Com <laugh>. See, see, that's So you're a look at, you're a marketing genius. You've already branded yourself. He's a redhead. If you're not watching Right. You're a ginger carrot top dog No one's ever gonna forget that. Right,

Dog Walker (00:29:34):
Right. And I came up with the lo, one of the first ideas I had was the logo and I sketched it out. I'm getting my car wrapped with it <laugh>. If, if you look closely on the logo I kind of hid the initial C T D W in the logo.

Leo Laporte (00:29:49):
Yeah. Carry top

Dog Walker (00:29:51):
Dog. So

Leo Laporte (00:29:52):

Dog Walker (00:29:52):
Know, I went really sleek and you know, sleek and simple with the website and the pricing, everything. A lot of dog walking websites I can see are kind of corny and they have all these puns. And so I just went you know as simple as I could and, and you know, try to, you know, I said the premium choice kind of went that route.

Leo Laporte (00:30:14):
This is fantastic. What did you do in a prior life, Trent?

Dog Walker (00:30:19):
I was I was a waiter for 16 years and I was horrible at it and I hated it. And some people are good at it and they're great at it. More power to 'em. But I was just torturing myself for 16

Leo Laporte (00:30:31):
Years. I love this. So you decided to follow your dream And

Dog Walker (00:30:36):
Like, like I said, this wasn't even really a, a dream. I just, I just know I love dogs all the time.

Leo Laporte (00:30:41):
You're following your bliss, you're following your list. I was on this. Yeah.

Dog Walker (00:30:44):
And, and I was, I was on the treadmill. I had this really good founder's membership at Lifetime Fitness that my I was considering signing over to my brother cuz he actually goes, I

Leo Laporte (00:30:56):
Was giving

Dog Walker (00:30:56):

Leo Laporte (00:30:56):
More. This is the, this is the secret of gym memberships. They, they love it. You're right, right. When you don't go, that's the key. Right. <laugh>,

Dog Walker (00:31:03):
I'm on that, you know, I'm on that treadmill and I just felt like torture. And I just, and I went home one day thinking like, how can I, I could, if I could exercise, you know while and make money while doing it. This is

Leo Laporte (00:31:15):
Brilliant. So eventually you're gonna have multiple dogs. Is

Dog Walker (00:31:20):
That Yeah. Yeah. Like I don't have any upcharges for, you know, I don't wanna do more than like three at a time and Yeah. You know,

Leo Laporte (00:31:28):
Bob Lev is a good choice. One client. It is 180 degrees. So you can, you can see, you know, if you had 20 dogs, you'd be able to see 'em all. I think this is really a cool little product and it records it to a little micro SD card. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So you could easily take that off when you get back a little TF card and, and plug it into your computer and upload it to YouTube. Yeah. It could be a private channel because you, you know, if you don't make it a public channel, you, you can actually do it with YouTube. You can make it a public channel. But don't publicize the url. Ge Yeah. Just unlisted videos.

Dog Walker (00:32:02):
Unlisted. Right. I did some experiment. Yeah. I did some experimenting with the unlisted and I don't even have a computer. Scooter X was kind of giving me some guff in the chat room for that, but <laugh> well, what do you,

Leo Laporte (00:32:14):
What are you on right now? You're on your phone?

Dog Walker (00:32:16):
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. Just a, it's just a simple prepaid, like T-Mobile Revel six.

Leo Laporte (00:32:21):
Yeah. We don't wanna, now with dog walking, you wanna keep the overhead down. Yes, exactly. So that's, you don't wanna the USB card ideas it that you're gonna end up spending so much money. Yeah. Yeah. Let's keep the overhead simple. Yeah. But you have to.

Dog Walker (00:32:33):
Right. And I thought, you know, I, I thought, you know, I was going for convenience, but then I thought it's just the YouTube already more convenient. Mm-Hmm. And it's already made for sharing. And and I thought, you know, I could actually see now, after thinking about it, I could be handing these people a USB stick and they've been saying like, well, how do I use

Leo Laporte (00:32:50):
This? Yeah. Yeah. Nobody wants a USB stick. Yeah. Not to mention the cost to you. And,

Mikah Sargent (00:32:54):
And I like the idea of you, you know, they, you're not having to wait for the USB stick. As soon as you're ready to upload that video, you can send that to them. They might be on their lunch break at work and they go, oh, I get to see my dog. You know what I mean? So it's

Leo Laporte (00:33:06):
Right. You have two dogs. Would you wanna see their poop

Mikah Sargent (00:33:09):
If <laugh>? No, I wouldn't wanna see. I would just maybe fast forward through that. What I would love is Okay, if I was,

Leo Laporte (00:33:15):
I'm just curious if I home

Mikah Sargent (00:33:16):
From home, home, if I was on vacation or something like that to get a video that shows me how my dog is doing. That's great. Would

Leo Laporte (00:33:22):
Be awesome. Yeah. Yeah. This is just the beginning of something that's going to get bigger and bigger, I think. Yep. I agree. But, oh, thank you. Yeah. Eventually you're gonna hire people and you're gonna have a whole, you know, team of dog walkers and I like your, your marketing is good. The website is good. And I like this special sauce you're adding of a video of the dog walking. But you gotta get a computer. I'm sorry to say, I don't think the prepaid phone is gonna work for this.

Dog Walker (00:33:47):
Well, I already tested it out. It, it's, it uploaded to I popped the usb I, the micro SD into my phone. And when I turned on Google files and it was right there on top and I just pressed Oh and pressed share.

Leo Laporte (00:34:01):

Mikah Sargent (00:34:02):
I'll be,

Dog Walker (00:34:03):
But you know, I was wondering, I did buy a, this takes a micro V. Right. I was wondering even so I don't have to pry out the, the SD card every time. And it's not a big deal. It's probably, I only have to do it once a day. But I was wondering if I could get it from here to the phone with a micro SB to a u s bbc.

Leo Laporte (00:34:25):
It depends on the phone. I, if you have

Dog Walker (00:34:27):
Input on

Leo Laporte (00:34:27):
That, depends on the phone. This is something called USB to go. Many phones have this capability. I don't know if the the phone you're using does, but Yeah. And you may need a special u SB to go cable that will go from your phones Type C connector to whatever is on the, the Bob Love. I love the name

Dog Walker (00:34:45):
The micro SD Mini USB or whatever.

Leo Laporte (00:34:48):
Yeah. Yeah. And but you gotta, it has to be a to go. Okay. It's, and the reason is, the reason is the phone normally is the source the rather the the hard drive. Yeah. It's the, what are we, we can't use Master and Slave anymore. The main, there's the main com, the computers, the main thing.

Mikah Sargent (00:35:13):
<Laugh> what? Primary and secondary. Primary.

Leo Laporte (00:35:15):
Thank you. The phone is normally a secondary device. If you want it to be a primary device, you have to use U USB to go.

Mikah Sargent (00:35:21):
So what I would suggest is get one of those cables if you get it from, you know, best Buy Amazon or something like that, return it if it doesn't work mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. So then you're not outta the, out the money.

Leo Laporte (00:35:31):
And honestly like card reader's not, so, you know

Dog Walker (00:35:32):
What? The micro SD transfer works just fine. Yeah. And like I said, I'll get with my, all my appointments in the day and I'll do it at the end of the day. Oh, I

Leo Laporte (00:35:41):
Want, I want this to succeed. I just love this. I think that's a great idea that you said. I don't, I don't enjoy doing what I'm doing. I love dogs. Let me do something that I I love doing. And I think that's great. Right. Good luck. Thank you

Dog Walker (00:35:53):
So much. Yeah. Yes sir.

Leo Laporte (00:35:54):
Usually nice to

Dog Walker (00:35:54):
Talk to you.

Leo Laporte (00:35:55):
Thank you, Trent.

Caller Chris (00:35:56):
I love Trent.

Dog Walker (00:35:57):
I love the new show. It's just great.

Leo Laporte (00:35:59):
I appreciate it. Have a great

Dog Walker (00:36:00):
Day. Good job. Micah <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:36:02):
Yeah, he's doing great, aren't we? Aren't we thrilled with Micah? We really love him.

Dog Walker (00:36:06):
<Laugh>. Yeah, he's doing great. Thanks.

Leo Laporte (00:36:07):
I love it. Yeah. Good luck. Thanks dog walk. Stay in touch. Thank you. Yeah, let's email me when, okay. I'll, yeah, let, let us know how it's working for you. That's great.

Dog Walker (00:36:15):
I will. Thank you so much. All I gotta,

Leo Laporte (00:36:16):
Bye. I gotta say hi to my buddy in Miami. Do you mind? I I don't mind. Do you mind? I, not enough. Let many cups of coffee in a way. Talking to Chris in Miami takes the place of a cup of coffee. Yes. Who eats coffee when he got Chris? He gets me going and I, it's like a, it's a contact high. Yeah, right. Yeah. Chris from Miami. Come on down. We'll see how many cups of coffee in he is today. Hey Chris. Oh, we can't hear you yet. Oh, turn on turn. Unmute. Isn't that a good idea? Trent had to. I love that. Walk the dog. Walk the dog in house. I'm

Caller Chris (00:36:52):
Unmuted. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:36:52):
There he is. You are unmuted. How many there I am. How many cups in?

Caller Chris (00:36:57):

Leo Laporte (00:36:58):
Hello. Five cups in. Hi <laugh>. There I am Mo. Oh, it's always a pleasure.

Caller Chris (00:37:04):
There's nothing like seeing me. I'd rather see you guys. I don't want to see me. I see me all the time.

Leo Laporte (00:37:09):
I see me.

Caller Chris (00:37:10):
It's like my, it's like Micah in the mirror every day we look so absolutely amazing. I mean, let's look at somebody else for a few minutes. Where's the dogs? <Laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:37:19):
So what can we do for you, Mr. Chris?

Caller Chris (00:37:22):
Well, I tried to get on, you know, the weekend show with

Leo Laporte (00:37:29):
Mr. Dro.

Caller Chris (00:37:31):
You know, he, he really is such a nice guy. He really is. Oh, I love Rich. I get in touch with Kim first and I get in touch with Kim and he's like, well, whatever. You do a couple of things. First thing is don't talk about coffee

Leo Laporte (00:37:42):
<Laugh>. Cause he's

Caller Chris (00:37:43):
Not Leo Laport. Let's not talk about coffee. He doesn't do coffee. Understand No coffee. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:37:47):
He doesn't, he's trying to keep you in check. That's all. Don't tell him you can't keep a good man down, <laugh>.

Caller Chris (00:37:55):
You can't keep a good coffee cup down, that's for sure. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:37:58):
Amen. You know what we've been drinking lately after we were in Rome, I noticed mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. We went to some really nice restaurants and had really good coffee and it was all lava. So I order ordered some lava and we've been drinking lava. <Laugh> la say lava. And it's been quite good. But, but you, you you have your own brand of coffee, don't you?

Caller Chris (00:38:22):
I I really get my own coffee. Well, my coffee, the coffee I buy comes from Panama and then they bring it into the, to the main headquarter out there in Springville, Utah. So it's the Panama Geisha bean coffee beans. It's one of the expensive coffee beans in the world.

Leo Laporte (00:38:36):
It's fresh. It's delicious. Yeah. Is it roasted? And it's infrared.

Caller Chris (00:38:39):
Cook, not

Leo Laporte (00:38:40):
Roast. Oh, it's in, it's not roast.

Mikah Sargent (00:38:42):
It's infrared because

Caller Chris (00:38:43):
Yeah, it's infrared cook. It

Mikah Sargent (00:38:44):
Saves you from you've told me about this before. There's some I have research that suggests that the roasted coffee might have chemicals in it that ends up causing it could be car carcinogenic, correct.

Caller Chris (00:38:57):
Acry aclimite. Yeah, because you're roasting coffee beans, which is not really healthy for the body to ru Basically you're taking those beautiful coffee beans that people spend a lot of money on. And what they're doing is, well, Starbucks coffee, I mean, that's not real coffee, let's be honest. I don't know what that is. But they take the coffee beans and they flame roast them. So why don't you just get one of those Elon Musk flame thrower and just basically just destroy the coffee beans. So you're saying, completely

Leo Laporte (00:39:22):
Saying, I mean, you're still roasting it with infrared, cuz it's still heat, but there's no flame. And that's the key.

Caller Chris (00:39:27):
There's no, no, and it's on, it's on the sizzle net website. It's about what they do with the coffee. All right. But you don't want to go there. So I can, I, you know, I, I can share, but if people are not interested, then no, I asked if

Leo Laporte (00:39:40):
You the list. It's my fault. Sizzle net. No, there's

Caller Chris (00:39:43):
No fault. I would like you guys to try the coffee. So, but you, it's like, no, go to my website. Yeah, it's

Leo Laporte (00:39:48):
Like a pyramid website. It's like a pyramid scheme. Right. You <laugh> no

Caller Chris (00:39:52):
Multilevel market. No, there's no pyramids here. It's

Leo Laporte (00:39:54):
Multilevel market. No, it's not. It's not. There's

Caller Chris (00:39:56):
Website, there's no pyramids. And, and the pyramids are in Egypt. So let's just gonna be honest. What's

Leo Laporte (00:40:01):
Your, what's your coffee site, Chris?

Caller Chris (00:40:03):
But I like this one. This one's fun. This is a little hard. You see the heart? I like the heart. I've lost him. If you turn it upside down the heart,

Leo Laporte (00:40:10):
<Laugh>, if you,

Caller Chris (00:40:11):

Leo Laporte (00:40:11):
You go. It's a pyramid. Yes.

Caller Chris (00:40:13):
That's, there you

Leo Laporte (00:40:14):
Go. What is your websites pyramid.

Caller Chris (00:40:16):
All right. All right. All right. I'm gonna need another cup of coffee after to talk boss.

Leo Laporte (00:40:19):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Caller Chris (00:40:20):
Okay. So just, it's C as in Chris Uhhuh, S as in Sierra, number seven. So CS seven Uhhuh. Sissel. S I S E L. Net.

Mikah Sargent (00:40:35):
Net. Very

Caller Chris (00:40:36):
Easy. Uhhuh,

Mikah Sargent (00:40:37):

Caller Chris (00:40:38):
You found me. Finally, Leo, after a hundred years.

Leo Laporte (00:40:40):
Christopher Scorns website at independent si distributor. All right. Yes. So is this is the coffee. I might order some of this stuff now. Can you just get a plain coffee or do you have to get it with stuff in it?

Caller Chris (00:40:52):
No, you order what you want. You sign up as a preferred customer because

Leo Laporte (00:40:55):
I don't want an organic cleanse personally. Like you're getting That makes me nervous. The cleanse. Yeah. Where

Mikah Sargent (00:41:01):
Do I find the coffee? There's,

Caller Chris (00:41:02):
I'm detoxing my body. I just got off of a super detox. Actually.

Leo Laporte (00:41:06):
Always, always be detoxing. A,

Mikah Sargent (00:41:08):
B, D.

Leo Laporte (00:41:09):
Yeah. Just outta nose. Be detoxing in. You're right there. Woo. Let's see. Chris, what is your question? Now? You've got your plug. What's your question?

Caller Chris (00:41:19):
Well, okay. I appreciate the plug. Thank you very much. You're very much my question is about the let me get my iPhone hang up for one second because the information's in there.

Leo Laporte (00:41:28):
It's not ready. He he did not. I'm

Caller Chris (00:41:31):
Ready. I'm, I just, you did

Leo Laporte (00:41:32):
Not expect us to say hello to you. You were just, you

Caller Chris (00:41:36):
Were just gonna, well, heres the thing now is, like I said, I I know I'm on probably more than anybody on the planet. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:41:43):
That's why we spread you in now.

Caller Chris (00:41:44):
And I have

Leo Laporte (00:41:45):
Been once a month, but I like my co I like you and I like my coffee hit. But once a month, I'm on my coffee hit.

Caller Chris (00:41:52):
I, I talked to someone the other day about that real quick and I said, you know what he said, what's your relationship with Leo LaPorte anyways? And I said, well, you know what? Before you, before you turn it into, she's

Leo Laporte (00:42:01):
Going around Miami now. Like people are asking all over Miami, what's your relationship? What is it? Because I'm always,

Caller Chris (00:42:08):
Wait a minute, I'm always plugging twit. Anyway, thank you Chris. Cause this is the place to be. Look at, look at Micah, th Rosemary Orchard. I, yeah, but I amazing do. Cause I have a love and a passion for it. Yes. I'm not one of those people. I'm not gonna plug you if I don't like you, but, and I said, you know, gimme one second. Leo. Gimme one second. I think he's leaving. Gimme

Leo Laporte (00:42:26):
One second. He's leaving again. Somebody's trying to break into his house. I'm not He's such a character. He is a character. No.

Caller Chris (00:42:32):
Wait, do they sell? No. Sorry about that. That

Leo Laporte (00:42:33):
Looks like they only sell it ground. I can't find it. Whole bean. Oh, we

Caller Chris (00:42:38):
Have to. No, you know what it is right now? The sorry about that. The instant coffee is out of stock. It'll be back in this week,

Leo Laporte (00:42:46):
But instant. Instant.

Caller Chris (00:42:47):
I'm not No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't. But read about it. Read about it before you go into a face meltdown. I want read about what you got going on coffee.

Leo Laporte (00:42:54):
Do they not

Caller Chris (00:42:55):
Sell that? We don't sell whole being coffee. And if you read, wait a minute now, if you read why there's no hu being coffee, you'll understand the reason why there's no hole being coffee before you jump out there in the middle of traffic and start to play Frogger. Let's learn about what you have your hands on. I don't

Leo Laporte (00:43:12):
Wanna learn about it. We'll do that. Offline. Yes. Offline.

Caller Chris (00:43:15):
We'll do that another time. Still. People

Leo Laporte (00:43:17):
Turning the dial back to Rich de Murrow saying, this is no good. This is

Caller Chris (00:43:21):
No, no. Let's, let's not. No, I talked to him. I called Kim this week and I said, Kim, I said, you're always welcome back at twi. But she said to me, and this is not, cause I don't ever wanna, you're

Leo Laporte (00:43:30):
Offering her a job on our, you're offering her job on our behalf. Is that what you I would

Caller Chris (00:43:34):
Love her to come back. We got a phone number, let's get her back. She'd be happier probably. And she said, well, Chris Rich is kind of particular. He doesn't like to have a lot of the same people, but he doesn't like to have the Leo collars from Twit calling

Leo Laporte (00:43:50):
All the time. Yeah. I don't blame him. Did don't blame him. Experience or so something. No, no. I don't blame him. He wants a fresh start. And that's how it should be. That's how it should be. Which means I'm stuck. I'm over here.

Caller Chris (00:44:01):
Oh really? You're stuck with me. That's, that's how my friend feels about Chris, I'm stuck with you. Don't worry with

Leo Laporte (00:44:07):
You. I'm stuck

Caller Chris (00:44:08):
With you. Chris, you with going anywhere? I, you know what? I, I to a friend of mine day, I said, you know what, it would be my honor and my pleasure and to actually meet Leah Laport for the first time in my life because I think he's absolutely one of the most spectacular real people that I've come to know over the past decade.

Leo Laporte (00:44:28):
And that's when the guy said, that's just my, what's this with you and Leo <laugh>?

Mikah Sargent (00:44:31):
And that's, that's what's

Leo Laporte (00:44:32):
Going on there. What is this story? There's

Caller Chris (00:44:35):
Not a lot of good people on the planet. I'm story start, there's a handful of people, Chris, and then I get to meet Micah. Anyways, here's my question. Question. Here's my question. Yes. Okay. Focus really simple. Yes. rich really was a big help here. I got in touch with the Ring doorbell people. Absolutely. The best customer service. They're very good, very nice people. I'm

Leo Laporte (00:44:55):
Glad to hear that. Yeah. Don't,

Caller Chris (00:44:57):
Yeah. My question with this is that I'm gonna be getting the, the battery doorbell plus for 1 79. I'm gonna get a couple of those little, because

Leo Laporte (00:45:05):
You're in apartment, you can't modify Yeah, yeah. A condo. Yeah. Right.

Caller Chris (00:45:10):
So here's the problem. The way that when you look at the way the door is right now, in the middle of the door above, you have the peak hole and you have the knocker that can come off and then this can go in there. But he was a little hesitant. And he said, Chris, the problem is, is that if you put it on the side of like, like the frame of the door, the camera will stay focused always. Versus putting it on the door where most people put it. Because you're gonna be opening and closing the door, which the doors

Leo Laporte (00:45:40):
Do. Oh, that's

Caller Chris (00:45:41):
Interesting. I don't think that's gonna be a problem. But I said, you know what, I was, that was my question for Rich this week. I left him a message on Instagram, but he's, you know, he's busy doing his own thing. Is that an issue? Most people put them on the door and he's like, well people, I said, but it's a door. You open it, you close it, you open it, you close it. They said, I don't have a home and I don't wanna put it on the frame mm-hmm. Outside my door. So what's the problem with putting it on the door? It's gonna refocus. If it's that good of a camera, first of all, it should refocus.

Leo Laporte (00:46:09):
It doesn't focus at all. It's a question. It doesn't focus. Okay. At all. Everything is always in focus. It's a very wide angle. It's just, yeah. Very narrow aperture lens. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, it's always in focus. So if the door moves, no big deal, you're just gonna get a different picture. The picture you care about is when the door's closed, obviously. Yeah. Right? Yes.

Mikah Sargent (00:46:29):
If you're opening the door, then you're making that choice to open the door. I quite literally have one. I thought it

Caller Chris (00:46:35):
Was silly Mike that he said that.

Mikah Sargent (00:46:37):
Or the Yeah. Mine is that one that goes on the door that looks at the people and yes, it goly will send me a notification if I open the door and say, oh, there's a person there. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Well, yeah, cuz I'm standing there. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But other than that, it works as it always does with the door closed. Okay. Cause it's flat. So Yeah. I, I don't think there's any issue with, with going for that. Especially, I like it better than the doorbell kind because I think people see it more clearly. It's right there in front of their eyes, so mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, you know, to push the button if there's <crosstalk>.

Leo Laporte (00:47:06):
And the other reason people put it on the framed reason I put it on the frame is cuz that's where the wire for the door. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:47:10):
If you're using a wired with

Leo Laporte (00:47:12):
The battery, I think it's fine to put it where you would put a door knocker

Mikah Sargent (00:47:15):
And the battery part is on the inside because people knock, have to open the door. People

Leo Laporte (00:47:18):
Look at where the knocker would be. Right. Yeah. So just go put it where the door knocker is.

Caller Chris (00:47:22):
What about those little devices? I think they're like, I think they're like $39 at Best Buy and $59 on their website, which is you just plug 'em into an electrical outlet. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I don't know how many of these I can put are around in the house. But do either you or Micah use use those where this way when someone rings and,

Mikah Sargent (00:47:37):
Yeah. So it are you multi-floor? This is the chime

Leo Laporte (00:47:40):
Floor. This

Caller Chris (00:47:41):
Is the chime. No one floor. Just just one floor. That's

Mikah Sargent (00:47:43):
The's it. Yeah, the chime. So the

Caller Chris (00:47:45):
Chimer, the chime,

Mikah Sargent (00:47:45):
How big your space is and how insulated the walls are. You might wanna get one. They also will improve. It's pretty loud. Yeah. You're not

Leo Laporte (00:47:53):
Gonna miss it. It's

Caller Chris (00:47:54):
Okay. Well one's good.

Mikah Sargent (00:47:55):
And if you have echoes or anything like that in your home, you can actually set them up to let you know. Don't ring

Leo Laporte (00:47:59):
The doorbell

Mikah Sargent (00:47:59):
Down if the doorbell husband rung.

Leo Laporte (00:48:00):
So, so here is our, wait a minute by the way. You can't, won't work John. It's not plugged in. It's not plugged

Mikah Sargent (00:48:04):
In. So,

Leo Laporte (00:48:07):
But this is like that. This isn't actually from a ring. This is fize, but it's, it's very loud. We have, I, so the story on this is I locked myself out. I went to the bathroom and I locked myself out. And no one, I was pounding and no one could hear me.

Caller Chris (00:48:22):
Oh my God.

Leo Laporte (00:48:22):
And I couldn't get back in. And and I don't remember what show was it? It was Twig or something, and the chair was just empty. And no, no one ever was What happened? Leo's gone. What happened? And I finally, I had, had to go all the way around to the front where there is a doorbell, and ring the doorbell. So then when they put in a doorbell for me, this is the Leo, the Leo chime. If that rings,

Caller Chris (00:48:44):
Wow, you have your own chime. What if

Leo Laporte (00:48:46):
That rings? Well, wouldn't anybody who would lock himself out? But I'm the only one stupid enough to lock himself out. A little later on, I'm gonna show you this happened. I'm gonna show you how I can scary clone Micah's key card, and then I'll never lock myself out again. Chris, don't worry about it. Thank you. That camera, it doesn't focus at all. It, everything is in focus.

Mikah Sargent (00:49:06):
Everything's in focus. And I think

Leo Laporte (00:49:07):
That's perfect place to put it right there where you're not, or you're, you're not. Thanks for

Caller Chris (00:49:10):
Having me. That's always a lot fun, guys.

Mikah Sargent (00:49:12):
Good to chat.

Leo Laporte (00:49:13):
Thank you. This is your brain. Leo, this is your brain. I'm Chris. Right there, right there. Your brain. Stop it. Thank

Caller Chris (00:49:23):
You, Chris. Oh my God. You tour are Aw riot. We

Leo Laporte (00:49:25):
Woke everybody up. <Laugh>

Mikah Sargent (00:49:27):

Caller Chris (00:49:27):
Pleasure. Not such a bad deal.

Leo Laporte (00:49:29):
Not such a bad thing. No. Alrighty.

Mikah Sargent (00:49:31):
Bye-Bye. I ca

Leo Laporte (00:49:35):
You can't resist the guy. No, he's

Mikah Sargent (00:49:37):
A sweetheart. He's absolutely fantastic.

Leo Laporte (00:49:38):
He's a sweetheart. Hey, how did you get your linens

Mikah Sargent (00:49:41):
Yet? Oh my God, I did. So

Leo Laporte (00:49:43):
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Mikah Sargent (00:50:38):
I know there is something about it. It's

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Mikah Sargent (00:52:30):
Or it's it's how, yeah. And it's how much it's, it's woven tightly. How tightly woven. Yeah. See, these are more, more tightly woven. Yeah.

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The Kickstarter for the Flipper Zero was multi-tool device for hackers. Now at the Flipper zero shop, they call it a multi-tool device for nerds that it is true that in some places like Brazil, they've confiscated these as hacker tools. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, they're, I mean, look, you can use any Arduino, right? Any raspberry pie and do the same thing. This is, but let me show you. This is such a cool device. This is the flipper. And, you know they've made it kind of fun. So Flipper, like the dolphin flipper, right? In fact, there's even there's even a, a snake game on here. So if custom says, what is that? You say, oh, it's just my little game <laugh>. I just, it looks like a little game. Electronic pet toy <laugh>, right?

Mikah Sargent (00:55:00):
Where pet stands for

Leo Laporte (00:55:02):
Multi-Tool educational device. This, I would give this to a, a teenager, like a 13 or 14 year old. This is for the 14 year old and me, who is inquisitive mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, they're not gonna be able to do anything awful with it. But they are gonna be able to simulate some bad things, surprise and learn how they work. It's just a USB cable. No, it's not. Here's the flipper. Now, the first thing you're gonna do when you, when you get your flipper <laugh>, try it outta the

Mikah Sargent (00:55:30):
Box. That's the first test. <Laugh>, will you pass the first test and wield the flipper?

Leo Laporte (00:55:35):
First thing you're gonna do is you're gonna download for iOS or Android, the Flipper software because the flipper, flip flipper, the flipper software is how you update the firmware and so forth. And it uses a Bluetooth to to pair it to the device. Okay? Then the next thing you're gonna do, actually, before you even download the update, is put in an SD card. You don't need a big one. Four gigs is plenty. It's just storing a few things on there, like the, like the firmware. So once you've done that, and by the way, every flipper gets a cute name. Mine's Yuki Ox. Aw. But it, they're all random names Once you've done it. Now, let me show you the flipper. What it really is, is a device with a lot of radios. See, it has, there's an infrared port. It's got a lot of radios and it has a G P I O bus.

So there's actually a brisk market in flipper. Zero hats. You know what, like with a raspberry pie, you can like this hat's called the mayhem hat. Oh, my <laugh>, what kind of, it adds a camera. It adds wifi and Bluetooth support. It has a whole bunch of extra stuff. And you just plug that, you see that plugs right into the pins on top here. But the way it comes out of the box, and I think for a kid now, it's a little pricey. 169 bucks. People have been asking me, where'd you get that? I thought you couldn't get it. No, you can get it. I just ordered it and it came like a couple of weeks later. It does have, if you look in the applications folder, it has some, it has a game. You can e you can actually put doom on this <laugh>. I wouldn't, you know, but put doom on this. But, but the, the snake game is what you use. If you, you know, you get, you know, some, some, I'm

Mikah Sargent (00:57:10):
Just an innocent little

Leo Laporte (00:57:11):
Player. If a Mountie comes over and says, what is that

Mikah Sargent (00:57:13):
Playing? Snake is all,

Leo Laporte (00:57:14):
I'm just playing snake. That's all I'm doing. But there is a lot more to this. The main idea of this is the radios. Okay? So it can emulate a Fido u two factor, universal two factor, okay? It can do bad U S B, it can be a button. It can be G P I O. Whoops. Oh, oh, I shouldn't have pressed that button. Flipper crashed and was rebooted. All right. It can be an nfc. You know what? Give me your, do you have your key card to get into the, oh,

Mikah Sargent (00:57:46):
Wait, no, actually

Leo Laporte (00:57:47):
I, I have mine usually do, but I'll do mine. Didn't bring my bag in. I'll do mine. So it's rebooting. Let's go to the 125 kilohertz. R F I D. That's what a lot of these card keys use to get into buildings and stuff. This is why you don't leave your car key lying around. Right? So we use it, we have a little button, but you know, it'll work with anything that's using the 125 kilohertz you can read. So I'm just gonna press read, see it's blinking and I'm gonna put it right there. And,

Mikah Sargent (00:58:19):
And reading, reading,

Leo Laporte (00:58:20):
Reading, reading. Don't move card. Don't move card reading one of two. There it goes. Now it's, read that card. Okay. <laugh>, and I'm gonna save it. Uhhuh. <affirmative>, okay. And now this, it gives it a random name. You can name it whether you want. It's, right now it says concealed conceited portal. <Laugh>. You know, it doesn't matter what you call it, right? It's just so that you could name it, you could name it the card to get into twit. Right? Okay. Now let's exit this menu. Should I go, should I actually go? Let me, can you,

Mikah Sargent (00:58:54):
Can you get into twit

Leo Laporte (00:58:55):
With it? Yeah. Watch. So now, so my keys are gone. Uhhuh, <affirmative>, I only have the flipper. Zero. Okay, let me, let me get up. I gotta disconnect and do this, and I'll go lock myself out. Oh my, I don't have to worry about the doorbell

Mikah Sargent (00:59:06):
Anymore. Yeah, keep that, keep that unplugged. If he can't get in, we're not letting him back in <laugh>. So he better flip or better work.

Leo Laporte (00:59:13):
They call it slipper. All right, let me show you how this works.

Mikah Sargent (00:59:17):

Leo Laporte (00:59:23):
Okay. So let's see. First thing I gotta do is go back

Leo Laporte (00:59:28):
To the 1 25 kilohertz, R F I D. And this time I'm gonna, I'm gonna look at my saved ones. Here it is. Now watch,

Leo Laporte (00:59:39):
I'm gonna emulate that on this door. So don't let me in no matter what I say. Maybe you better it worked. Look at that. So I was able to emulate that door entry key using the flipper zero. You see, it's still blinking. I could get into anywhere that, that door entry key uses. Pretty cool, huh? All right, I'm back. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:00:13):

Mikah Sargent (01:00:14):
Ooh, you did it. It worked. Yeah. That's kind of scary. It's

Leo Laporte (01:00:17):

Leo Laporte (01:00:18):
Pretty, it's actually pretty easy. I'm gonna do something

Leo Laporte (01:00:20):
I haven't tried before. So anyway, it has a, a bunch of different radios in it. Again, I think you could give this to a 14 year old. Yeah. Because it's not gonna do anything that is like

Mikah Sargent (01:00:33):
A 14 year old. You trust <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:00:35):
Yeah, I mean, and do it with them, like, as a parent, right? And say, let's, let's play around cuz 14 year olds are curious and they want to mess with stuff. And this is a relatively benign way to do it. I mean, obviously, could I, I could use this to seal your card key, but, but guys, this isn't exactly the most subtle. Could I

Mikah Sargent (01:00:51):
Change it away from sports at a bar?

Leo Laporte (01:00:53):
Yes. So it, that's why it has this it has infrared. So you could change the tv. It has N F C, so, which is a, a form of R F I D. So you could read N FFC cards. You could actually, you could actually, you know hold it up to, well, I could do this with a credit card. Let me, let me see here. Hold up to a credit card and read some of the card information. Not sufficient. Pro <laugh>, probably not sufficient to steal that credit card. Let me let, do not show the card number. Yeah. Here. But I'll, but I'll I will read the credit card here, put it over the chip and I'm gonna read it. And

Mikah Sargent (01:01:35):
I'm wondering R F I D cards in passports or not?

Leo Laporte (01:01:39):
No, those are. Okay. So this is important. Those are encrypted. Okay. That's actually a great question cuz it does have R F I D in it, but those are encrypted. And so Flipper can read it, but it'll get an encrypted result. Got it. Which is basically useless. You need to have the key. So you can't look it. There are hacker tools out there, plenty of them that will do all of this better, let's put it that way. But this is a great way for a kid or an adult to learn about some of the things. You could use it for pen testing. People have used it to change the price on gas station. But it doesn't change it on the pump, it just changes on the sign. Oh, because the sign is like a tv. It's like remote. The guy Oh, gotcha guy. The guy behind the counter goes, oh, I'm gonna increase the price. So if it's an electronic sign, you can in some cases use it to change the price. Little things, little, little pranks. So that's got infrared G P I. Now let's try this bad U sb. This is actually a good lesson.

Mikah Sargent (01:02:34):
Oh God, where is he gonna play? This

Leo Laporte (01:02:36):
Is a good lesson. So normally with bad u sb, we've talked about this before with bad U S B you would put this on a u sb key and then leave it they call it a candy drop in the parking lot. Somebody find, oh, look, I got a free u sb key and plug it in. And the way bad u sb works, by the way, can't be wiped even by erasing the u sb key is it acts like a keyboard. And as soon as you plug it in the computer, it activates. So let's, let me just you could put stuff on here. I, I wouldn't wanna put a payload. So I'm gonna just do the demo for windows. Okay. All right. Okay. Now it says connect to u sb. You see, it's not very stealth,

Mikah Sargent (01:03:17):
Right? In this form. It's not right. This, this

Leo Laporte (01:03:19):
Is very, I think almost educational. I think a high school teacher should get this. Let me plug this in. Now. This is why you don't kids plug in <laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (01:03:27):

Leo Laporte (01:03:28):
Random Ussb keys. So plugged it in. Let's see. Okay, now I'm gonna run and now it's uploading. And look at my, watch my screen. Oh, wow.

Mikah Sargent (01:03:41):
It's doing stuff.

Leo Laporte (01:03:42):
It's doing stuff.

Mikah Sargent (01:03:43):
A lot of stuff.

Leo Laporte (01:03:44):
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so this is Oh, that's terrifying. Just by plugging in.

Mikah Sargent (01:03:49):
Now it's like moving the page.

Leo Laporte (01:03:50):
Yeah. So obviously the payload could be benign like this, or it could be <laugh>. Look at that. <Laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (01:04:00):
Can you just like, download a file? Join

Leo Laporte (01:04:02):
Hackster. Yeah. It just opened this page. So it could obviously do other things like put a, a malicious pay payload in there. This is why you don't do USB keys. You found lying around. So that we did a demo. And you'll see, actually if I unplug it, you'll see it said it did a hundred. Well, I guess it's, it's clear to, but it's a hundred percent it, it loaded of this demo. Uhhuh <affirmative> do the same thing on a Mac. You know, I I maybe I'll put doom on it. For the, for the next show. I didn't really wanna spend all that energy, but you can play doom on it. Have

Mikah Sargent (01:04:35):
You tried using it with a fob for a vehicle?

Leo Laporte (01:04:39):
Okay. I was about to, one of the things I was gonna demo is me stealing my own car.

Mikah Sargent (01:04:44):

Leo Laporte (01:04:45):
And then Russell, our IT guy said, whatever you do, do not do that. <Laugh>. So the reason is, most of the time on a modern on older car, this would work, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, in fact, I tried to steal your car, but you wouldn't let me. So on older car this would work. But on my more modern car, they do rolling codes and if they sense that somebody's feeding back it, it's doing what they call a replay attack, feeding back an old rolling code, they deactivate the fob. Got it. They deactivate the whole thing and shut down. You gotta take it to the dealer, it'll be a whole deal. And a new fob is a couple hundred bucks. Yeah. So I didn't, I mean, maybe I could, but I didn't wanna take a chance. Yeah. Russell said, you know, maybe think twice. Yeah. I'll just take it as red that you can do this.

It does do rolling codes. So for instance, garage door openers, which use rolling codes. And there are more s and this is the point, you can go right now to a website and download for buy a rubber ducky, which is a u SB key with bad u sb on it. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> you can buy devices that will do all those rolling codes. You can buy all sorts of stuff. You remember the stories about Kia and Hyundai being so easy to steal. This stuff is easily found on many, many sites and can be sold legally. It's illegal to use it to hack, but the devices are electronic devices to be sold legally. This is sold legally. But what I think is, is this educational device, I think this is a very good way for somebody who's curious about what things, because this is, look, this is, doesn't, you know, I'm not gonna carry this around and try to break in stuff.

Right? Right. I'm certainly not gonna do it with a, you know, one of those mayhem hats on there. It's very obviously. Yeah. What does, something's going on. That's not cool, man. But oh yeah. You know, for instance, I could go to a hotel, more modern hotel card keys don't, aren't prone to this, but the next time I'm at a hotel, I'm gonna try this because I think you can also get into somebody's hotel room with that mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, that's now, right. That's not right to do that. Don't do that. But if it's your own hotel room and you're just curious how easy it is to clone a hotel room keys.

Mikah Sargent (01:06:46):
Yeah. It's good to know for yourself. Like, oh, wow. I, I didn't realize that's why

Leo Laporte (01:06:49):
They call it a pen test device cuz it's a way of testing the security. And honestly, anything that you can hack with a flipper zero has very poor security and should be updated. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Right? Like your car keys, like your hotel room key, things like that. Anyway, it, for 169 bucks, it's loads of fun. Better than x-ray specs. <Laugh>. So that is the, the flipper

Mikah Sargent (01:07:12):
Or a Dakota ring?

Leo Laporte (01:07:13):
<Laugh> the flipper. Zero. I might buy some hats I might play around. Yeah, that'd be fun. Add more. It's a educa and that's what I kind of mean. It's a little expensive to give to a 14 year old and I wouldn't give it to him unsupervised anymore and then I'd give 'em a laser. Right. Unsupervised. Right. But what a great learning thing. And this might be the kind of thing that could trigger a kid. I wanna learn more about this. Yep. And and I wanna learn more about coding and maybe I wanna learn more about cybersecurity. And I think that's cool. Right? Flipper? Zero. There you go.

Mikah Sargent (01:07:42):

Leo Laporte (01:07:43):
I can now break in as Micah. Yes. Oh no, I didn't use your,

Mikah Sargent (01:07:47):
You didn't use mine. I'm keeping it hidden in

Leo Laporte (01:07:49):
A box. That's actually good to know because for instance, we don't do this, but I know whose card key was used to enter the building. Right. If I wanted to murder John Ashley, I would use your card key and then murder. And I would say I was never there. Yeah. Right. It was Micah who did the John's wedding. He, he's thank you to John Ashley for helping me by the It was, he was he was the one shooting me as I as I

Mikah Sargent (01:08:12):
Oh, so he was murdering

Leo Laporte (01:08:13):
You? He was shooting you. Where'd my flipper zero Go right now. Where'd it go? <Laugh>. Just kidding. Kind of cool, isn't it? Very cool. Yeah. And I, I think it was a very successful Kickstarter. They raised millions of dollars and they did it and Yeah. You know, one of the things you could do is make a universal remote with it. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. I like that idea of changing the channel. Have fun at the TQ bar. You go into a bar and silence TVs or change 'em to a, to espn. I wanna watch the game. What's that? Emails? Yes. Well, but we do have someone who's been sitting, oh, we have an actual someone sitting phone, phone call. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Which line is the phone call? Do I do that or do you do that button says wireless collar line seven. This is like the real deal. This is like, this is someone who there's no more play radio about the, what is it? 88 star press star six to unmute and say hello. Hello. Caller. Hello Caller. Hello.

Caller Larry (01:09:11):
Hey, it works.

Leo Laporte (01:09:13):
What's your first name? It works. Yay.

Caller Larry (01:09:15):
First name is Larry.

Leo Laporte (01:09:16):
Larry, you're first caller on our phone line. One tutu. What is it? Tug 24. Ha. I forgot what it's who. Anyway, where you, where you from Larry? Huh?

Caller Larry (01:09:32):
I'm about five minutes away. And here Luma.

Leo Laporte (01:09:34):
No, you're kidding me.

Caller Larry (01:09:36):
No, I'm not kidding you. I've spoken to you before.

Leo Laporte (01:09:38):
That's awesome. Well, welcome. What can we do for you?

Caller Larry (01:09:42):
Well, I'm happy to be the first one on the hot tub line.

Leo Laporte (01:09:47):
Hot tub. Hot tub. Hot tub.

Caller Larry (01:09:52):
I've got, I've got an old a eight year old desktop. It's an ACEs. And it's, I think it's starting to give up the ghost, but I wanted to confirm with you, I had I, about a month or two ago, replaced the ssd and then the original hard drive, which was kind of a, a hybrid drive was starting to act a little weird, but I didn't replace it that time anyway. It finally, I think, died cause of the D drive, which was the data drive, which it was the original drive started to not show up on the my pc. This is, these are PCs by the way. So I ordered a new hard drive, installed it and down and downloaded my backup for MyDrive. Thank you for recommending

Leo Laporte (01:10:38):
That. Yeah. Long time sponsor the old radio show, but now,

Caller Larry (01:10:42):
Yeah, now the <laugh> the display is not working. Oh, no.

Leo Laporte (01:10:47):
Oh, that's,

Caller Larry (01:10:48):
That's, and I don't think it's anything wrong. Yeah, exactly. I don't think it's anything that I did in the process of changing the drives. I think. Cause I noticed before, whenever I put it to sleep and I would reactivate it, the screen would kind of go flip off and on maybe three or four or five times. Ah, and I suspect maybe that, that the the video card is going bad. It's got a I believe it's a NVIDIA nine 70 or nine 60 x something like that. Or gx gx.

Leo Laporte (01:11:15):
That's pretty, that's a pretty nice computer you got. It's got discreet graphics. So it could be that you knocked a cable loose, honestly that it might have been a little bit loose. And then when you opened it up, it lo it shook loose and now it's not working at all. So that's one. Here's probably the, you know, so when you're doing this kind of troubleshooting, I always do the Sherlock Holmes method, right. Which is eliminate the easiest Yes. Possibilities and narrow it down till you have only one left and there is your culprit. So the first thing I would try is booting, just to make sure it's not software booting from a u sb key. If you can't, oh, you can't see the screen though, can you? Here's a test. Can you plug in an external monitor?

Caller Larry (01:12:03):
I don't, I don't have another one. Yeah, I I mean the, the external, no, this is the desktop. So the external monitor is oh's

Leo Laporte (01:12:10):
A desktop. Oh, ok. Ok. So, well, ok.

Caller Larry (01:12:13):
Desktop. Desktop. And I should, I should say, regarding the cable knocking loose, it was working after I arranged all the drive, I could actually, I could, was able to access iDrive and download it. It let it go to sleep. The iDrive did something weird. It put it in it, put it on the new drive, but it put it into a, a folder called D. So then I had to take all the data from D and, and put it back and copy it into the route and it was gonna take something like 15 hours or something that, so I just put it, I let it go to sleep. When I tried to wake it up is when I started having to, when it wouldn't work anymore.

Leo Laporte (01:12:49):
Hmm. So that does actually sound like software. Yeah. So what, what you would normally do, you obviously don't have a lot of gear. What I would normally do is go get a different monitor, try a different cable, so eliminate those obvious things. But I, I think it's probably not that. What I want, what I wanna do is boot up into another operating system, be in case in the process of restoring something got overwritten or whatever mm-hmm. <Affirmative> you know, you can download Linux from a, put it on a USB key and boot to it. Anything would do even a Windows installer. And if the, if you boot up from an external device and the screen works, then you know, then you know it's a driver or it's software or something was clobbered when you did the restore. That can easily happen. It sounds like though that the pro that this comes up when you sleep, is

Caller Larry (01:13:45):
That Yes. And, and it had been doing, it had been doing this for probably a month or so even before I replaced the drive. So some whatever was happening was happening before replacing the drive. Yeah. That's why I suspect I I, I did a little online research, which is always dangerous <laugh>. It is. And it, it sounded like it could be the, the the graphics card. So I, there

Leo Laporte (01:14:12):
Any way, yeah. Don't trust, don't trust <laugh> don't trust the online diagnostics. It could be the graphics card, it could be a lot of things. But that's an ex, that's the most expensive thing to fix <laugh>, right? So if can, so if it's, oh I, here's another test. Can you boot into the, you know, the bio setup, the screen before Windows when you, you press F 12 or escape or delete, if I can't what you said it was an Acer

Caller Larry (01:14:43):

Leo Laporte (01:14:44):
Aus. So can you find out what the, a boot into the setup key is? If you could

Caller Larry (01:14:51):
See? Yeah, it's not,

Leo Laporte (01:14:53):
If you can reboot the machine and get into the setup screen, then your monitor's working and your key, your cable's working then you kind of have some idea that is something associated with Windows. Then the next thing I would do in that setup is say, don't use the external, the discreet graphics card. Use the motherboard graphics because in almost every case where you have, it depends how Jesus built this. But almost always you have both discreet, you know, the, the n the Nvidia card and a built-in Iris or some sort of Intel graphics. So you might be able to switch and just see if that works. That would tell if it's a video card. I don't think it's a video card. Okay. I think it's waking from sleep is the problem. The other thing to do is turn off in one in Windows you wanna turn off Fast Boot.

That's always been a bad idea. Thank you Microsoft. And turn off Hibernate cuz there are two ways to sleep. One is you just go in a low power mode, but you continue to refresh the memory. So it takes a little bit of power that's sleep hibernate. You save the contents of Ram out to the hard drive and then you shut everything off. Then the, then to wake up from hibernation is a difficult thing because you have to power up. You have to then load in the contents of Ram from the hard drive. And then in theory everything will work. Normally hibernation is also a bad idea. And so turning off fast boot and turning off hibernation often helps. The problem is if you can't get into Windows at all, when you reboot, does Windows work?

Caller Larry (01:16:27):
Well, here's the thing. I I I, the down the, the transfer of the data from the D this is kind of weird too. The D folder to the root drive, it said it was gonna take like something like 19 hours. So I started it yesterday evening and I left, I left the computer on all night. When I woke up this morning is when Discover the screen wouldn't work.

Leo Laporte (01:16:45):

Caller Larry (01:16:45):
Yeah. It flat but it hadn't woken up. But I had, the point is, I have not restarted. I was gonna do a hard turn off and restart, but I wanted to make sure that that data was transferred before I did that. Oh, I see.

Mikah Sargent (01:16:56):
So wait, since,

Caller Larry (01:16:57):
So I, I think

Mikah Sargent (01:16:58):
Since you did the backup, the, this last backup and now you've tried to put it back on the system with this new s S D, have you been able to do any new of files or anything like that? Or are you still just trying to get access to it now that you've made this change?

Caller Larry (01:17:15):
No, I, I, I, I did the restore. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, all the data was there. It worked. I was able to access my, my doc cause my, my data's on the drive, which is the one that failed Right. Put in the drive. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> it as it was restoring. I would go in and I could pull up my documents. So it was all working just fine.

Mikah Sargent (01:17:34):
Right. but if you haven't done anything, but I wonder though, then I think that it, what I'm trying to get at is maybe doing this restart is okay because if you

Leo Laporte (01:17:43):
Haven't, you still have a

Mikah Sargent (01:17:44):
Backup. Yeah. If you haven't added anything new to this, then your last backup's still going to be good. So, you know, sort of, oh God, trying to restart this process won't hurt anything because your backup is still good. Now if during that process you were going in and making new documents and you're worried about losing those, I understand why you wouldn't want to do the restart. And to go to what you were saying earlier, Leo for Asus it seems to be pressing and holding the F two button while you power down and power back up.

Leo Laporte (01:18:12):
I, I didn't realize you hadn't tried to wake up that you were reluctant to do anything. I think you reboot everything's gonna be fun. Well

Caller Larry (01:18:19):
No I try, I tried, I did try to, I did try to wake up but I haven't rebooted. Yeah, yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:18:23):
It won't wake up. That's just cuz wake, wake from sleep is horrible. <Laugh> Okay. And there and there may not even be any purpose in doing that cuz your s SD drive is not spinning. So all that's happening is it's refreshing memory. It's probably only using a few watts if you turn off io I just turn off the screen and leave the computer running. But wake from, so wake from sleep Hibernate and Fast Boot all are notorious because what happens is a computer has gone asleep and now it's groggy and I can't figure out <laugh>, I don't know what's going on. I can't turn on the computer. The good news is you haven't lost any data. Right. Because even if No,

Caller Larry (01:19:01):
I'm not worried about the date. I just, I just was concerned about having to buy a new computer or replace. I don't start

Leo Laporte (01:19:07):
Replacing Don't just cause it won't wake up now. Cause it can't wake from sleep doesn't mean you need a new computer. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:19:12):
You're not there yet.

Leo Laporte (01:19:13):
Reboot. Yeah. You're not there. We gotta figure out what's wrong.

Caller Larry (01:19:17):
Yeah. I've already replaced two drives and I was thinking I have to replace the the graphic card that it's not worth, it's not worth that.

Leo Laporte (01:19:23):
It's rare that those would go bad. Those generally do not go bad. Multiple. Yeah,

Caller Larry (01:19:28):
That's good.

Leo Laporte (01:19:28):
Solid state. So that's just kind of the rule of thumb is the solid state stuff either is gonna fail early because it's manufacturing defect and heat. You know, it gets heated up and it goes or if it's run for years as yours has, it's very unlikely that they're gonna fail. They're not gonna go bad. Moving parts will. So that's why you're placed spinning drives. But that nine 60, I mean, it, it's experiencing a lot of heat and if your fans, you know, weren't working as a machine gets older, it accumulates dust. Sometimes a blanket of dust covering the cooling vents and the fans and stuff like that. So make sure it's all clean in there and cooling's working. But I think it's just a wake from sleep problem. Not unusual to be honest. And I don't, I don't like sleeping, as you can tell <laugh> I like coffee, drink more coffee, I

Caller Larry (01:20:14):
People <laugh>. I'll not sleep anymore. I promise. And I'm gonna, as soon as we hang up, I'm gonna do a hard shutoff and reboot. Hopefully that'll work. I thought about doing that. I just wanted to wait till I make sure

Leo Laporte (01:20:27):
Data. Yeah, yeah. I completely understand it. And and you're right, your, your hard drive might be in an unknown state, but because you have that backup, you're not gonna, it's, you're not gonna lose anything. The reason I drive, I think put it in the D is cuz it didn't wanna overwrite anything in c you, you know, generally if you're in restoring on an existing system, you don't wanna write the data to the same place it came from. Because then well, no,

Caller Larry (01:20:47):
No, I wanted, I it came from, it came from d i I had a separate drive for the data. Oh, okay. It came from D and it was a clean drive. I asked to go back to D Got it. But for some reason it put in, it was D and then the folder D So my, my my my ears couldn't read it. Yeah. So I had to get it back into the root room. Yeah. So I did a copy just moving

Leo Laporte (01:21:07):
It. Probably most of it moved over and you know. Yeah. And then some of it may not have, some of it may have, but e even if one file it was, it won't go to sleep in the middle of a file. So it went to sleep. I don't, I think nothing died. I think it just went to sleep. And it's hard to get up and <laugh> and what if you reboot it and everything operates normally. Turn off sleep, turn off, hibernate, turn off fast boot, see how it works. The only thing that I sleep now is my screen. The screen is the big juice user. Everything else is pretty, you know, it's a few watts. Okay.

Caller Larry (01:21:39):
That's great. Thank you guys. I appreciate it. Thank you

Leo Laporte (01:21:41):
For calling. It's great to see you Larry. And if you can't get it working, just bring it in. Bring it in here. And that's true. Very close.

Caller Larry (01:21:49):
I was gonna say, if you see me at your front door, I'm either gonna have the machine, some ice cream,

Leo Laporte (01:21:54):
Ice creamer machine is Do you work in an ice cream shop, Larry?

Caller Larry (01:21:58):
No. No, but I'll just bring you something for, for if it, if it works, don't I turn on? Don't, you don't

Leo Laporte (01:22:02):
Have to bring us anything. That's very kind. That's, that's what we do here. Hey, thanks Larry and congratulations. Thank you guys. Our first happy tug. Yes. And that's really good. The hot tub. Hot tub, wherever it was. <Laugh> the goodness is, I've completely forgotten the acronym. Thank goodness. 8 8 8 7 2 4 28 84 to call, ask the tech guys and yes, I think we have another one is which one is that? Is that seven again? Oh, Harvey. Okay. This time we actually have a caller id. Is that seven? Yes. Send to breakout room, right? Or what? What do I do? Yep, that worked. Line seven Harvey. Hi Harvey.

Doctor Mom (01:22:47):
It's actually Dr. I'm calling.

Leo Laporte (01:22:52):
Hello? Yes. So it's Hi Lil

Doctor Mom (01:22:56):
Hi. Just wanted to give you a follow. Remember I called in two weeks ago with that problem with the changing Mac addresses, messing up my system.

Leo Laporte (01:23:04):
Yeah, it, it, it, that

Doctor Mom (01:23:06):
Was it. I I basically ripped the system apart, threw everything with a changing Mac address off it, reinstalled them. Problem went away. Turned it off. That seems to have been the issue. And

Leo Laporte (01:23:17):
You left the rotating Mac addresses off on the Apple devices

Doctor Mom (01:23:21):
And on my Android devices and the Android just left it off and left. Left and left. Stabilized.

Leo Laporte (01:23:26):
Excellent. Hey, I'm glad you used the phone number too. We've got a proof of concept. I

Doctor Mom (01:23:32):
Didn't get, I didn't get a video call because I was gonna show Micah. I just finished another stuffed bird. Oh, another crochet stuffed birds.

Leo Laporte (01:23:40):
Micah and and li are crocheters that we are partners in crochet <laugh>. Yes. Well, next time show us the stuffed bird <laugh>. Show us your bird next time. But thank you for Thank you doc for calling and giving the phone a ring. Yay. It's good to know it's talk you little at work. Yeah, yeah,

Doctor Mom (01:23:57):
Yeah. I just wanted to give you a, if somebody else is having the same issue, take stuff in what was going on.

Leo Laporte (01:24:03):
Yeah. In theory I looked a, after our, your call, I looked into it more. And in theory it's supposed to just turn itself off when you're in the house and it's not roaming. It's supposed to turn itself off the, on the iPhone in, on the Mac. They're not supposed to do that. Apparently they do doing. Yeah. Good to know. And

Doctor Mom (01:24:22):
Thanks. Yeah. It was giving me system a fit. Thanks. Thanks. Turned it off with all words working now. Have

Leo Laporte (01:24:28):
A great day. Thank

Doctor Mom (01:24:29):
You. Okay. Talk to you later. Bye.

Leo Laporte (01:24:31):
Bye. I'm glad that works. That's working. It's awaken. So we got a phone number. 88, no, eighty eight eighty seven. Ha ha. <Laugh>. He's trying to kill me. 88 87 2 hot tug <laugh>. Is that right? <Laugh>? I think it's 88. 87. Yeah. It would have to be two hot tug, wouldn't it? <Laugh> anyway. 8 8 8 7 2 4 2 8 8 4. I think that's probably your gumby. That is not a real thing. Best, best stop it. Best. Yeah. People in our chat room are making up new, new wonderful <laugh> one tut saga tug. I hope that one's real. One tut saga tug would be great. Anyway, anyway, anyway, let me do an ad. Let's coming up in about half an hour, Chris Marwar our photo guy. We're gonna do a review and then give you a new assignment from the fishbowl. Our show today brought to you by our wonderful friends at Mint Mobile.

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Mikah Sargent (01:29:00):
Rumored hearing aid technology where Bluetooth earbuds would send from their microphone to your smartphone where it's processed for your level of hearing impairment and then transmitted back to your earbuds. The theory was that smartphones had much more processing power than self-contained hearing aids. Do you know if this idea was ever implemented? Yes,

Leo Laporte (01:29:21):
Apple did it with AirPods. Yes, they did. And Kevin Tofu wrote a great article and I followed his steps and I did it, and it works. So let me show you where you start. You start with a program called Mimi, which is a hearing test program. It's free, you can download it. You know, look, I wear real hearing aids, the $6,000 models. I've tried Starkeys and currently use resounds. They're very, very expensive. We now have over-the-counter hearing aids, which aren't much less expensive, but they're a little more competition's gonna bring that price down in the long run. But this is a way, if you have AirPods that you can use them. You, I think you could probably use maybe Beats and some other devices, but I know this works with AirPods. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So I put in my AirPods Pro, I downloaded the Mimi Herring test.

When I got my hearing aids, the audiologist did something very similar. I went in a little soundproof booth and, you know, you have a little clicker and you click it if you can hear the sound. This works very similarly. So it was able to listening to tones and you press a button when you can hear it, plot out my hearing. And this actually looks very much like the one I got. This is a hearing curve from my audiologist. Like many older people, my high end has declined when low end's still pretty normal. My high end's declined. And by the way, there's two ears. So that's why there's two little graphs. Now, what's really cool about this, and you can get a little demo from the Mimi app, and all of this was free. I didn't even need to create a Mimi account. You could if you wanted to, but you don't have to. And they also, you know, note that you can get these overtone hearing aids or whatever, but what you can do with your curve is you can send it to Apple Health. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So that's what I did. So let me, let me open health now.

Here we go. And oh, look at that. It was loud. You know what that was? That was American Graffiti Days. Oh, yesterday going down the going down the street, it got to 111 db. This is another thing, by the way, if you haven't lost your hearing yet, Micah, take good care of your hearing. Yeah. And one of the great things about the iPhone and the Apple Watch is they will give you noise notifications and then we'll let you know if you're in an environment that is dangerous to your hearing as this one was. Lisa had her earplugs in. I was very proud of her, but I did not let me see if I can find where this ended up going. It, it ends up going into accessibility, and then you can then, so it's, it's in my it's in my health. And then you can apply accessibility. You can apply it to the sound that's coming from your hearing aids, but in, or your, into your AirPods. But you have to do that in the accessibility settings. Again, I would suggest reading Kevin's article, we'll put a link in the show notes because I'm, I'm running through this pretty quickly, but you can go into your hearing devices.

Where is it? So my problem is I have both AirPods and hearing aids, so I am confused. I believe

Mikah Sargent (01:32:29):
It's accessibility. And then it is let

Leo Laporte (01:32:35):
Me see. Airpods. There it is. Yeah, I found it. Airpods. So I am gonna say my AirPods Pro, and it gives you some settings, but if you scroll down a little bit, it will somewhere.

Mikah Sargent (01:32:46):
Audio accessibility

Leo Laporte (01:32:47):
Service. Oh, there it is. Audio accessibility. It will allow you to get the processing through the phone so that it applies basically that curve that you generated with Mimi to your AirPods. Now AirPods have another advantage for they, they have very good sound reproduction and they have noise cancellation. Be careful when you're doing Mimi to turn off the noise cancellation. Mimi will explain this to you so that you don't have that on during the test. So for, yes, it's for supported Apple and Beats headphones. I can have headphone accommodations. And then you can choose. If you haven't done the Mimi test balanced tone, you can choose various settings. But I have an audiogram, which I imported into Apple Health from Mimi. And that audiogram is now applied to my Air AirPods. And you see it says both for phone and media. So I am now the AirPods are automatically adjusting for my hearing loss. Now, there's one more thing that you can do, which is with the AirPods. I don't know, have you ever done this, Micah? You can use them with the microphone on the phone. Yes.

Mikah Sargent (01:33:58):
And I can't think of the feature now. I had it earlier. It's like follow, listen or listen, I can't remember live. Listen, I think

Leo Laporte (01:34:07):
Is live. Listen, I think you're right. I think that's what it is. So you can turn on live, listen with your AirPods, and now you have a microphone in your phone that then goes to your AirPods with the applied hearing differences. But you don't have to do that to make the AirPods head to be hearing aids in transparency mode. You know, that's one of the settings on the AirPods, maybe not the regular ones. The pros, you hear ambient sounds as well as the music you're listening to. Right? Stop the music, turn on transparency mode. And now the microphones are picking up sound with your curve applied. So you will now hear voices better. You'll hear ambient sounds better. That ambient sound is being the, it's basically equalization curve that it's boosting up from my hearing, the high end so that I'm hearing voices better.

It, it actually works. Here's the downside. You only get about five hours listening time and AirPods, right? When I wear my hearing aids, I wear 'em when I first thing I wake up to the time I go to bed, you know, 16 hours mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, you can't do that with AirPods. Kevin points out. You could. And I, it's not a, I mean, it's still a lot less than $6,000 by two or even three AirPod sets <laugh>, right? Right. And then as the batteries die, you put 'em back in the case, let them charge up. Two would be enough, and then start using the other AirPods and you go switch back and forth. Two AirPods for what that's like 400 bucks less than, is a lot better than $6,000. Indeed. However, it isn't, if you have severe hearing loss, it's not gonna be a good solution.

It's really for people with moderate to light hearing loss, just to make it a little bit better to hear, you know, people's voices around you. The, the transparency mode is, it works. It works quite well. Kevin liked it. I like it. It does work. Here's the downside, the other downside that says battery life is people think you're not paying attention to them because you have your AirPods in. So you have to explain, no, no, I'm using my AirPods as hearing aids now. I think in the long run people are gonna get used to this, but right now, if you're wearing your AirPods, people think you're listening to music <laugh>. Exactly. Not listening to them. So you'll have to explain to people no, I'm using these as hearing aids so I can hear you better. And I'm very interested in what you have to say.

So please pay no attention to this. I think now that more and more people are wearing AirPods all the time, we're gonna get used to this. And I think this is really good. Over-The-Counter hearing aids, AirPods, the truth is that of people who need to wear hearing aids, only about one in five actually get them. And that's very bad because your hearing, when your hearing starts to deteriorate your co there's also cognitive decline associated with it because you're kind of isolated from the world and you go more and more inward. It's a really bad thing. People who need hearing aids should get them not just for your friends and family who are mad that you can't hear them. Not just cuz you turn up the TV way too loud when you're watching it <laugh>, but because it'll help you with cognitive decline as well.

So if you do notice, you can't understand people as well. And when you get to, you know, in your sixties, this is not unusual. You'll probably notice it too, Micah, at some point then it's time to get some hearing aids. I do hope the price comes down cuz $6,000 is ridiculous. And the United States healthcare plans do not usually cover hearing aids. Medicare does not cover hearing aids. So that's a big out-of-pocket expense. This is a good alternative if you already have AirPods and you can put 'em in transparency mode. Do this, download Mimi, go through the test, apply those settings in health, you know, get the audiogram into your health. And then once you've got it in health, you can apply those settings in accessibility and and you'll have some hearing aids. I am glad to see Eric. So am I, I've been worried we were worried about you, Eric. Oh, our truck driver. Our truck driver. So glad you're okay.

Mikah Sargent (01:37:54):
Yes. Glad to have you back.

Leo Laporte (01:37:56):
Yes, he is wearing his his what? That his audio boom headset. So there won't be a lot of background noise. And we were for a long time playing, where in the world was Eric, San Diego <laugh>. Where are you right now, Eric? Where have you, where are you calling us from? He's still muted.

Mikah Sargent (01:38:18):
Yeah. He's keeping his eyes on the road, which

Leo Laporte (01:38:20):
He's driving as he should be, as he should be.

Mikah Sargent (01:38:23):
While we do that, I do have another question.

Leo Laporte (01:38:26):
All right. I gave you the very long answer on the hearing aids, but I think it's really cool. And I, I, again, credit to Kevin Tofl. If you search for Kevin Teo, f e l and AirPods, you'll find that article. It's on Stacy Higginbotham. Stacy on Iott website. You'll find it very quickly. There's Eric. Hello Eric.

Mikah Sargent (01:38:45):

Leo Laporte (01:38:46):
Where are you driving these days? How's it going? Days? Where are you going?

Caller Eric (01:38:49):
I'm going through Vegas right now.

Leo Laporte (01:38:52):
Nice. Oh, it's great to see you. We missed you. We were hop hoping everything was okay.

Caller Eric (01:38:57):
Yeah, my, my my schedule changed around a bit and I had quite a few Sundays off and, you know, spend time with the family. Yeah. The

Leo Laporte (01:39:03):
Last thing you wanna do if you're not driving is call us.

Mikah Sargent (01:39:06):
Exactly. Please. I'm glad you were taking that time, <laugh>. That's fantastic.

Caller Eric (01:39:10):
I, I, I do have a question though. Oh, good. But who do you recommend for recovering a dead hard drive? I know you've mentioned stuff in the past. I can't remember what it is. It's

Leo Laporte (01:39:23):

Caller Eric (01:39:24):
Hard. It

Leo Laporte (01:39:24):
Has to be something you really, really want.

Caller Eric (01:39:27):
No. Yeah. Unfortunately. So there's

Leo Laporte (01:39:28):
Two ways. Hard drives die. There's soft and hard, right? A software failure, it, it's not really a software failure, but the soft is, if you know something, you know, there's an electrical signal that goes through your hard drive and, and it, you know, sprays, ones and zeros across the drive, then some of it may not be legible, especially if it is damaged in the catalog for the driver. Every drive has a kinda like a ca catalog of what's on the drive. So if that's damaged, maybe the, all the data is still there, but the catalog can't be red, so your drive looks like it's empty. You know, that's a software error. And a lot of times you can download software to fix it. If on the other hand the head hits the drive and scrapes it, or there's physical damage, or the actuator motor dies, or the electronics on the D drive dies, then the data may be there.

Much of it, but you won't be able to read it. Even with software, because the drive itself is non-functioning, that's when you bring it to a drive recovery company. There are many of them. The one I've probably mentioned is one just down the road here called Drive Savers. They, they're very well known. They have a, a clean room, right? Because you can't open a drive in the regular air. It's too much dust. So they do it in a clean room. They have all the parts for all the drives. So if, if a actuator motor's dead, they can actually replace that. If the circuitry is dead, they can replace that. But it's gonna cost, you get ready, Eric, I hope you're paying, you're driving, but keep your eye on the road as much as $5,000. Oh my God. To do this. It is not cheap. Okay. there are other companies that do this. They're all about the same price. There's one in LA that when I was doing the radio show, a lot of people referred to, I know, drive Savers and other Drive Savers people. They became well known because they hired a grief counselor for their phone line. Because when people call <laugh>,

Mikah Sargent (01:41:18):
They're usually, oh,

Leo Laporte (01:41:19):
How's my hard drive? Wow. Yeah. This is, this is the lesson you will learn. You will always back up from then on. Right.

Mikah Sargent (01:41:26):
And as far as software goes, is spin right? A good choice for

Leo Laporte (01:41:30):
This? It depends on what the data error is. Spin right. Is very good at one particular kind of thing where maybe the signal on a sector is hard to read, or it's a bad sector spin. Right. Can spin. Right. What all Spin Wright does is, is it's more aggressive in reading the data on the drive. Then your operating system, it won't give up, which means it can take some time, but it'll keep reading that sector till it gets the data. It'll move the data off the sector, and then it'll mark that sector bad, so you never use it again. So, in certain cases, spin rate is a very good solution. Just depends on why the data's mm-hmm. <Affirmative> damaged, and this is the problem. It's hard to know, well, what's going on? You know, sometimes it's just as simple as the circuit. You know, when you look at a hard drive, it's got a circuit card on it. That circuit card could be broken. Right. That's a cheap, should be a cheap thing for Drive Savers to replace. They don't need to open the drive. So, yeah. I

Caller Eric (01:42:20):
I, I have the dreaded clicking, you know, hard drive noise and, and it, and it fails up.

Leo Laporte (01:42:25):
Okay. So clicking usually means the actuator motor has died, or the bearings have frozen up or something like that. Yeah, it in, yeah. It's gonna cost you

Caller Eric (01:42:33):
<Laugh>. Yeah. Unfortunately, unfortunately, I was, I was, I was between backups and I was moving, I was moving from one drive to the other, has a backup. And when I finally got got it over I, it was a brand new hard drive, and it literally died the next day. Ugh. And I didn't have time to make a backup of the backup. So

Leo Laporte (01:42:55):
It's a brand new hard drive that failed. That's interesting.

Caller Eric (01:42:58):
Yeah. It's, it's, it's a drive that I've had for a long time that Oh, I've been, I know it's expensive and I couldn't remember, you know, who you recommended to go to.

Leo Laporte (01:43:08):
Yeah. I've used Drive Savers. They're good. I know the guys over there. It's just really, really expensive. Drive Savers Data

Mikah Sargent (01:43:17):
Perhaps. I got one other thing with, hope yours will be one of the less expensive <laugh>.

Caller Eric (01:43:22):
I, I would, I would hope so. There's some important stuff on it. I know MIT Mobile is a great sponsor. Yours. And I have a unique case here, but, you know, I listen to, I do all my GPS for driving on a iPad mini, and I also use it for streaming, you know, whatever I want. Listen to what I'm driving. And I got a unique deal on T-Mobile, and this was like about a year ago. They had a deal if you were signed up as a business partner, ah you could get a, you could get a data only plan for your tablet for $10 a month. Nice. And they would give you a a free, really inexpensive, you know, Android tablet. But Oh, I remember that. And they would I

Leo Laporte (01:44:08):
Remember that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Caller Eric (01:44:10):
Well, well, the, the tablet wasn't completely free. They would give you credit back to the account each month that she, you know, you had it. Well, I, you, I went ahead and paid off the installment on the tablet, and they're still giving me the credit for the tablet, even though it's paid off. But right now, I have a data only plan with T-Mobile for the tablet, and it costs me a dollar 66 a month. Wow.

Leo Laporte (01:44:33):
<Laugh>, how much data do you use? Typically?

Caller Eric (01:44:37):
I use a ton. And I've never been, and I use a ton on the road, and I've never been throttled.

Leo Laporte (01:44:42):
Where are they regretting selling you that <laugh>? You know, I remember the the, the former c e o of at and t said the worst thing I ever did was offer unlimited data outta iPhone users. When they first got the iPhone. Remember, you could get this mm-hmm. <Affirmative> unlimited data plan. And he said it Practic Randall Stevenson, he said, practically killed us. Fortunately, you know, they phased most of those people out. Their very few people still have the Grandfathered Unlimited data plan. Well, I'm sure T-Mobile would like to phase you out, but <laugh>, I'm glad you got it. That's great.

Caller Eric (01:45:12):
I'm, I'm locked in right now. Now, one other thing for your listeners, I, you know, you probably have a lot of first responders that listened to your show, at least I know they did on your radio show. I retired last year as a deputy sheriff. I was a deputy sheriff for 22 years. I'm now tracking that I was able to join FirstNet. Now, FirstNet is a first responder network ran by at and t and with your credentials, you become a FirstNet at slash at t subscriber, but it's for first responders. But it's everything from fire to police to anything anybody that has anything to do with natural disaster response or anything. Emts, paramedics, anything. And if anything about it is, is you're a subscriber, but you have complete priority on the cell towers. So earthquake, flood any kind of natural disaster when the cell towers get clogged up and they start rejecting all the, all the, all the calls, your top priority and your call goes through also, it's true, truly the only left plan you can buy that's truly unlimited. There's literally, there's absolutely no data gap, no throttle limit, nothing. That's also an option for anybody that your listeners, that may be a first responder that is looking for a really good cell phone plan.

Leo Laporte (01:46:32):
So you can get it as an individual. If you work as an E M T or in some other field, you can just get it as an individual. Right. Oh, that's great. Cool. Yeah, if you're, this

Caller Eric (01:46:41):
Is, yeah. If you're employ, if you're employed,

Leo Laporte (01:46:45):
This is really a, a, a, a great service from at and t. And I wonder if some of this is because Verizon got in trouble for slowing down. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, the first responders were responding to the wildfires a couple of years ago in la

Caller Eric (01:46:58):
Yeah. It, it was a res it was a response to that. But it, it is a contract with the federal government to fema, I believe. Right. That at and t is building out an entirely separate, they're still doing, it's, it's, it's going, it's ongoing all the time. There's, they're gonna build out a complete cell phone network that covers 90% of the land mass of the United States. And it uses ban, I believe it's Band 12. So you have to have a cell, you have to have a cell phone that's banned, I think it's Band 12 or Band 14 compatible. And as long as you buy it from at and t, they almost all are. And then you could be in an area, eventually in theory, where there is no cell service, but you would have cell service. That, that doesn't quite work yet, in my experience. But at and t has the contract to manage and build that network for the foreseeable future.

Leo Laporte (01:47:49):
It looks like eligibility is pretty broad here too. So yeah. You should really investigate this if you are a first responder. This is a really great thing. I, Eric, thank you for telling us about this. Thank you. This, I had no idea. It,

Caller Eric (01:48:01):
It, it does, it does work really, really well. And five 5G for a while. 5G was not, if you are a FirstNet member subscriber, you did not have 5g. That is now not the case. They, you do not have access to 5g. It does work all over the place.

Leo Laporte (01:48:18):
This even

Caller Eric (01:48:18):
Applies to Absolutely

Leo Laporte (01:48:19):
Don't have any civilian law enforcement. This is, this is quite a broad swath of first responders. I think this is really good for at and t for and it's

Caller Eric (01:48:29):
For doing this. It's, and it's very, very inexpensive for what it is. I mean, it's about 50 to $60 a month for an individual, and it's completely untethered, unlimited all you can eat. Wow. You know, and, and your formal work, you know, in a natural disasters.

Leo Laporte (01:48:43):
That's really, really great. You're also a an amateur radio guy, right? You're a ham.

Caller Eric (01:48:49):
Yes. I, I, I'm a, I'm a I am a ham radio. I need, I need to get my, my next license. I just have my, I forget what it is. I think I need to get the general next. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:49:00):
You have the, it used to be called novice, but I think they have a better name for it now. Technician, I think. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. It's well worth doing. Yeah. That's, that's what I, yeah. Well worth doing it. Especially if you're a trucker. If you have a handy talkie that gives you a whole extra means of communicating and emergency. Yeah.

Caller Eric (01:49:16):
If, if, if, if you know how to, if you know how, how to map out all the repeaters. Yeah. You could, you could talk across,

Leo Laporte (01:49:24):
Yeah. Yeah. Your whole time. Much better than cb. Hey Eric. Thank you. What a thank so much. What a thrill to talk to you. We, we see you driving. I'm glad we can get you on this show. One more question cuz everybody wants to know, what's the name of that boom mic you're using?

Caller Eric (01:49:40):
Oh, this is the open shock open com.

Leo Laporte (01:49:45):
Oh, from aftershocks?

Caller Eric (01:49:46):
Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:49:47):

Caller Eric (01:49:47):
Open com.

Leo Laporte (01:49:48):
Yeah. After shock's open com. I've been using that too, cuz after Alex Lindsay recommended, it's all he uses. It's amazing. There's known background noise whatsoever.

Caller Eric (01:50:00):
I, I can't use, I can't talk I anything else. You really need to have voice. All

Leo Laporte (01:50:10):
We're losing the

Caller Eric (01:50:12):
Said oh one sided, but

Leo Laporte (01:50:13):
Yeah. Yeah. This is this is fan. I use it too. And it's fantastic. It's so light and it's not in your ears. So it's safe to wear as a driver because you still would hear as emergency vehicles and so forth. I really like this. I, I got one after Alex Lindsay recommended it. And boy, this is a great test for the noise canceling. It's working. Excellent. Hey, it's great to talk to you, Eric. Have a great day.

Caller Eric (01:50:38):
Thank you. Have a good day. Take

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Chris Marquardt (01:54:21):
He is.

Leo Laporte (01:54:22):
Beep. Mr. Chris Marqui, photo guru, it's great to see you. Hey is at Discover the top He has wonderful, you're getting ready for Eastern European photos. Safari, right?

Chris Marquardt (01:54:35):
Well, that's in September. That's in September. We'll be going down to from Germany all the way down to Transylvania in Romania. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:54:43):

Chris Marquardt (01:54:43):
Wonderful. With lots of photography on the way.

Leo Laporte (01:54:46):
Discover the top floor. He's a great photo coach. Really the best. It's great to see you, Chris. I forgot. Be, it's been a month. What was our assignment this month? <Laugh>.

Chris Marquardt (01:54:56):
Straighten up the tie. See, I still have the the little slip of paper. Fancy.

Leo Laporte (01:55:01):
Oh yeah, Mr. Fancy Hyman. Oh, you're so fancy, Mr. Fancy.

Chris Marquardt (01:55:05):
Yes. Yes. we have a lot of fancy photos. Well, we could have, we've could have gotten a few more, but I've seen this in another photo related thing. I think it's springtime. People wanna be doing stuff that's not

Leo Laporte (01:55:18):
Well, and then we went from the radio to the the internet version of the show. We gotta, we're slowly moving people over. I see. We're here from more and more of the old radio

Chris Marquardt (01:55:26):
Post. I'm seeing the same thing on my side too, so, okay. Okay. It's, it seems to be, it's spring related. Yeah. So anyway, we have photos and I have them here. Our fancy photos. Thanks everyone for handing those in. And of course, I've made a choice of three to look at here. And the first one is by, ooh, blue sky over. Lemme see if we have a title on that photo. A a a six A 3 7 6 0. That's the title of the photo. Well, what, isn't that a beautiful bird? Is that

Leo Laporte (01:56:02):
A negro oron or something? I don't know what it is, but it's gorgeous. Oh yeah. Does it

Chris Marquardt (01:56:07):
Say, doesn't say say No, it doesn't name

Leo Laporte (01:56:09):
No. If he didn't name it <laugh>.

Chris Marquardt (01:56:11):
Well, a it's an a a three seven something.

Leo Laporte (01:56:14):
Oh, that's what it is. Okay, there we go. Yeah, yeah,

Chris Marquardt (01:56:16):
Yeah. There we go. But hey, isn't that a fancy bird and a fancy photo? Cause very fancy. That thing is tech sharp. And, and, and the, the really good exposure, the, I I love how there's detail in all, even on the back of the bird, it's really difficult with white birds over a dark surface like this water surface to get that exposure. Right. And then to nail that exposure, I'm pretty sure that blue sky over aquatic, the photographer has taken more than one picture to

Leo Laporte (01:56:45):

Chris Marquardt (01:56:46):
One. So, yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:56:47):
You know, that's not I can tell because the background's not blurred. That's not one of those panning shots. He had a very high frame rate. Well,

Chris Marquardt (01:56:57):
I'm pretty sure he panned the camera with the flight. Oh. So think the, but the, but the exposure time must be, must be, I don't know, 2000 of a second or 4,000 something really That's beautiful. Really short to freeze the motion. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:57:11):
And I think it's an, I think, I think it's an, it's probably true. I'm not sure. Yeah.

Chris Marquardt (01:57:16):
Second photo, oh, is by Ron Hikes 81 Ron six. And it's a tulip. I can identify that one. That's a tulip <laugh>. And perfect

Leo Laporte (01:57:26):
Time of use for that.

Chris Marquardt (01:57:28):
And it has water on it. Water droplets dripping off it. Let's see if there's a description here. Rainy tulip. That's the title. Thanks. I appreciate putting a title on it. And it's, again, it's a, it's a simple photo. It's a ma a macro kind of shot. So it's a very close up shot. So we have the, the background being completely out of focus, so it's clear where the focus is. The, the color scheme is very typical. It's a reddish flower in front of a green background. So we have this, this complimentary color contrast and lots of nice detail. Again, exposure run, nailed the exposure here and the focus. So yeah, I'm happy with that. Quite fancy,

Leo Laporte (01:58:10):
Very fancy.

Chris Marquardt (01:58:12):
Beautiful. The last but not least is by demi lent es so often <laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:58:20):
Fancy PPE and J

Chris Marquardt (01:58:22):
<Laugh>. I think it is quite fancy. So the, the, we were looking at a peanut butter jelly sandwich and a glass of milk on a table. It's a, it's a nice little studio setup. So there's the light hits it really well. It's, it's, and it's fancy because it's a crustless.

Leo Laporte (01:58:39):
Oh. So oh, oh.

Chris Marquardt (01:58:41):
Makes it even more fancy than a regular one. And lots of peanut butter, lots of jelly on it.

Leo Laporte (01:58:47):
You know what ju Julia Child said? Peanut butter and jelly is actually the perfect sandwich because it has salty and sweet and it's got the tooth that's just perfect when you bite into it.

Chris Marquardt (01:59:00):
You know, the thing is, inger in Germany, peanut butter and jelly sandwich isn't the thing. So,

Leo Laporte (01:59:07):
Wow. What?

Chris Marquardt (01:59:08):
Nope, what? We don't do that. Well, some people do, but it's not a thing that we grow with. Have,

Leo Laporte (01:59:13):
Do you have peanut butter?

Chris Marquardt (01:59:15):
We do, but it's Do

Leo Laporte (01:59:16):
You have jelly

Chris Marquardt (01:59:17):
Staple? Yes, we do.

Leo Laporte (01:59:19):
Do you have bread?

Chris Marquardt (01:59:21):
Yeah. Yeah. Just don't put 'em all together very

Leo Laporte (01:59:23):
Often. Yeah.

Chris Marquardt (01:59:24):
Wow. Not that often. No, really not. But what is, wait, now I have to ask, what, what is the German peanut butter and jelly? Like what? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:59:33):
Kids eat

Chris Marquardt (01:59:33):
Kids snack That you good to. Yeah. Okay. So there's, there's a, there's a, there's a chocolate in Germany called esk sch knik. And it's like thin slices of chocolate that you put put on a piece of bread that has been buttered. So there's bread, there's butter, there is the slice of chocolate on it sounds very healthy. And well ish

Leo Laporte (01:59:55):
Don't, you don't get no dessert.

Chris Marquardt (01:59:58):
<Laugh> chocolate on bread. There

Leo Laporte (02:00:01):
We go. Chocolate on bread. Wow. That's cool. You mean in their lunch? Do German children have lunch boxes?

Chris Marquardt (02:00:06):
Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:00:07):
Sometimes lunch

Chris Marquardt (02:00:07):
Boxes. You get that if it's, that's a fancy kind of kids thing.

Leo Laporte (02:00:10):
Well, there you go. It was fancy three. Beautiful there. Fancy pictures. And now I'm in the mood for pp and J sandwich. But before we do that, let's go to the fishbowl

Chris Marquardt (02:00:22):
And see, let's go to fishbowl and draw a new a adjective. And it is going to be oh, oh, oh, oh. Doll,

Leo Laporte (02:00:33):
Doll, doll. We went from fancy to dull <laugh>.

Chris Marquardt (02:00:37):

Leo Laporte (02:00:37):
Now let me explain how this works. You're gonna go out in the next month and and you're gonna keep in mind the assignment to take a picture. Now it's not a dull picture, right? It's a picture of doll. Is there a, a difference? It

Chris Marquardt (02:00:54):
Could be doll's picture of something doll could be a fancy picture of something doll. It could be a doll picture of something fancy. Ooh.

Leo Laporte (02:01:03):

Chris Marquardt (02:01:04):
To interpret

Leo Laporte (02:01:04):
It. Yeah. We're not gonna tell you we don't, you know, Chris isn't, is, you know, no hint. But here's the thing. You're gonna take that picture and then you're going to, if you find one that really says to you, man, this picture says dull <laugh>. You're gonna tag it TG for tech guy. Dull TG Dull. And you're gonna upload it to Flicker. Actually, when you upload to Flicker, you'll then tag it cuz Flicker allows tagging and then submit it to the tech guy group. Okay? So let's go to the tech guy group right here. You'll know you're in the right place cuz you'll see my smiling face. We are Chris, we're five members away from 14,000 members. Members. That is

Mikah Sargent (02:01:45):
Wild. That is totally

Leo Laporte (02:01:47):
Wild. Five more members. And we'll cross the 14,000. That's a big group. 7,700 photos. There's the, there's the photo pool. When you submit it with the word the tag TG doll Renee Silverman, our wonderful moderator will say, oh, thank you. We'll put that in the pool. And in four weeks, four weeks from right now, Chris will come back. It's the third Sunday in June. And we'll that, that's

Mikah Sargent (02:02:14):
The 18th of June

Leo Laporte (02:02:16):
18Th. We'll pick three photos and give you credit on the air. And we'll take a look at your picture. Dull. Hey, dull. But you may not take an old picture and, and, and send it on. You need to get No,

Mikah Sargent (02:02:30):
It's, it has to be new. All it has to be, you have to photo get off that sofa and move and take

Leo Laporte (02:02:36):
Pictures. That's the point, right? Yeah. Is to get you off the sofa and and, and go get some photos. Chris is at discover the top Chris, always a pleasure. Thank you so much. If you want to thanks for having me find out about those workshops. He's got 'em there. Discover the top and you have also hosted the longest running photo podcast still to this day, going strong tips from the top Thank you Chris. It's great. So much to see you. Now we can get you

Mikah Sargent (02:03:07):
On. Thank you very much.

Leo Laporte (02:03:08):
Cheer. Have a wonderful Sunday

Mikah Sargent (02:03:10):

Leo Laporte (02:03:10):
From now. Okay. Cheer juice. Bye-Bye. Juice. Take care. They don't eat peanut butter and jelly in Germany. No. What a

Mikah Sargent (02:03:16):
But I found the chocolate.

Leo Laporte (02:03:18):
Oh, you found schnitz

Mikah Sargent (02:03:19):
At German shop 24. I found it. I can get some for 2 99 <laugh>. You get eight Stooks Stooks H stooks of of the chocolate. I think

Leo Laporte (02:03:30):
I'd rather have peanut butter and jelly. Me too. What flavor of jelly do you like? When the tradition would be grape,

Mikah Sargent (02:03:35):
Right? Yeah, the ugh, I like blackberry or raspberry or any berry that has seeds in it. So I like preserves more than I like jelly.

Leo Laporte (02:03:44):
No, John Jammer B is saying why give up the chocolate peanut butter jelly and chocolate.

Mikah Sargent (02:03:50):
Chocolate. No, that's fine.

Leo Laporte (02:03:51):
Yeah. Then it's cross cultural extravaganza. This

Mikah Sargent (02:03:55):
Is true. And, and they even have a kind that has hazelnut pieces in it. <Laugh> a kind of s ce schnitt that has I

Leo Laporte (02:04:02):
Like the hazelnut. Yeah. I like a little hazelnut in my

Mikah Sargent (02:04:05):
Age. I also liked as growing up I liked apricot jelly. Okay. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:04:10):
Adam's on the line. Hello, Adam. On our, our special phone line. I'm so excited. This phone line is working so well. And if you want to call in, don't forget it's <laugh>. What was, what was the best one? Eight.

Mikah Sargent (02:04:24):
8, 8, 7. No, no, no,

Leo Laporte (02:04:26):
No. Hot tub. I got one. Oh, there's one. I got the one that's all lettuces. Oh my gosh. All lettuces. Somebody one

Mikah Sargent (02:04:32):
Pound. Six oh

Leo Laporte (02:04:34):
Star. Six one tut saga. Tug a pound. An OC one tut saga. Tug <laugh>. Yes. And and Hello? Adam, are you there? Don't forget to head stars.

Caller Adam (02:04:44):
I'm here. Can you hear me, Leo?

Leo Laporte (02:04:45):
Yes, we can. Where are you calling

Caller Adam (02:04:46):
From? Can you hear me? Leo? Yes. Good. Putnam Valley, New York.

Leo Laporte (02:04:50):
Beautiful Putnam Valley. What's up?

Caller Adam (02:04:52):
Yes. So first of all, you've helped me many a time, so I'm coming to you again. Thank you. Because every time you helped, you definitely were helpful. Wonderful. so here's the situation. I have a a 2,500 square foot house. I have a airport extreme I'm still using since 2014. Within we with another airport, the smaller airport, the what was it called? The Express. Oh, I

Leo Laporte (02:05:20):
Love those.

Caller Adam (02:05:20):
What was it called? The airport. I used

Leo Laporte (02:05:21):
To have 'em all over the place. An airport, extreme base Station. Yeah. And you put the expresses out as the kind of like spread the wifi. And they had extender, extender. And they had, which was unique, not only an ethernet port, but they had a headphone jack mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. So you could plug speakers into it. Yeah. Airplane. And, and, and spend your your music as long with your wifi <laugh> and your peanut butter and jelly. Yeah. Yeah. But that, but Apple stopped making them more than four years ago, right?

Caller Adam (02:05:47):
I think more than four. I think it's closer to 10

Leo Laporte (02:05:51):
Actually. They stopped making 10 years ago. They stopped updating them. Yeah, yeah. This is the problem.

Caller Adam (02:05:56):
Yes, that's correct. Yeah. So for that reason, and also I know I'm missing a lot of the different air frequencies radio frequencies.

Leo Laporte (02:06:05):
You're not getting wifi three, four, or five or six <laugh>.

Caller Adam (02:06:11):

Leo Laporte (02:06:11):

Caller Adam (02:06:12):
Exactly. So even though I was still working, I decided to go ahead and purchase the Google Nest wifi. It was on sale through Amazon. So I purchased two of them. One for downstairs, one for us. My question to you is, was that the right move or should I send these back?

Leo Laporte (02:06:30):
Well, have you set 'em up yet?

Caller Adam (02:06:32):
No, I haven't opened it yet. I see. I want them to hear what you had to say.

Leo Laporte (02:06:37):
I, when they first came out with those, I didn't like them. I thought they were subpar compared to say the Arrow or the Orbis, which are two mesh systems I've really liked. So I gave it to my daughter and she used it and it's fine. Fine for her. Yeah. so it really has a lot to do with how challenging your environment is. I think you will see immediately that they are better than what you were using, sad to say. And I think they work quite well. I think they've gotten better since I got 'em when they first came out. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and they weren't nest yet. And I think they've, I I've heard from all sources that they're much better than they used to be. Wire cutters still recommends the arrows. I think. You recommend the arrows? I do. Okay. and I recommend them as someone who used to do those airports. I I find that the sort of setup process is quite similar. The era folks are former Apple people. Yes. And you can tell, you can definitely tell, because I, that was, whenever you said this, that was my

Mikah Sargent (02:07:34):
Main, you, you went from sort of one company to the other, the opposite, so to speak. And so in that way, I do wonder how you'll feel about the setup process and the continued process of sort of interacting with the, the Google devices. Because that's something that I have not had the opportunity to try was how

Leo Laporte (02:07:55):
You I haven 'em tried 'em lately. Yeah. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (02:07:57):
How you go about modifying the settings.

Leo Laporte (02:07:59):
I think it's pretty good. I have to say. I think, you know, everybody's looked at hero and see how successful they were. The thing I don't like about HEROs, they're bought by Amazon. Right. And it kind of worries me a little bit. Yes. Privacy wise heroes now. I mean the wi the ones you got, I presume are six E. They're compliant with the very, very latest wifi. Did you get the pros?

Caller Adam (02:08:20):
Not I did not get the pros, no. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:08:21):
Okay. You got no. Okay. I think, you know, I don't see any reason not to use 'em. Let's put it that way. I still think I is the, is the kind of the, the top of the line.

Mikah Sargent (02:08:34):
And as far as consumer goes. Yeah. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (02:08:37):
Yeah. I don't use zero at my place either. I use ubiquitous. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (02:08:40):
Yours is like power

Leo Laporte (02:08:41):
Consumer. That's the Yeah. A little bit more sophisticated and also a lot more expensive. I, I hate to say send them back.

Mikah Sargent (02:08:49):
I know once you said I have them, what are your thoughts? That kind of changed things for me. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:08:53):
I, I would say as far as everything I've seen, the latest models are good. And let's

Mikah Sargent (02:08:58):
Fine, I do wanna clarify. Do you have, you do have the Nest wifi, not the Google wifi, which is the older, older model.

Caller Adam (02:09:06):
Yes. No, I have the Nest.

Leo Laporte (02:09:07):
Okay. You just bought them. I

Caller Adam (02:09:08):
Have the Nest wifi.

Leo Laporte (02:09:09):
The one thing I would mention with the arrow, and this may or may not be a benefit, Amazon now is releasing echo devices that work as zero beacons. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, that means that you can get an echo and it will help spread the wifi throughout the house. Now Stacey Higginbotham says she got the latest Echo and was underwhelmed. She couldn't see any improvement performance at all from adding that to her Euro network. And

Mikah Sargent (02:09:39):
What I, so I had a few echo devices that were new enough that they did offer that. What I did like about I was that it actually said, you have enough signal without needing to add this on. Oh, adding this on is not going to do you any better interest. So I think that the honesty there and sort of the, the understanding of how the wifi actually spreads throughout a home was really good and made me feel a lot better about it. But yeah, if you are an Echo household, you may have devices that are new enough that they can serve as essentially beacons, but yet now that you have the Nest wifi in hand, use

Leo Laporte (02:10:14):
It. They're gonna be better than the airports. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, they're gonna be warm to date. Google is definitely gonna keep them up to date and patchy. That's very true. Problems. That's become the most important thing with any router. Right. It supports matter and thread, which are the new standards for home automation. That's good. It means they'll work well with any home automation devices that you get. I, I see no reason not to keep 'em since you already bought them and Okay. And all of that. I I they're certainly not bad.

Mikah Sargent (02:10:41):
No, exactly.

Leo Laporte (02:10:43):
There's nothing wrong with 'em. All right. Good. I think they'll be good. Yeah. I think they'll be very good. And I actually, I'm nervous about Amazon stuff at this point. Yeah. I'm not sure I want it would buy Euros just for that reason. I want, oh, there's one other thing. Right,

Caller Adam (02:10:55):
That's good. To

Leo Laporte (02:10:56):
The Euros have a monthly subscription, which the Googles do not. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (02:11:01):
For, yeah. For added features. Yeah. there is a monthly

Leo Laporte (02:11:04):
Subscription. Yeah. I mean, I, I'd have to look at the, you know, comparison chart to see if you get anything for free with Google that you pay Euro for. But that I think for a lot of people that ad you know, you already got the sticker shock of several hundred dollars for your router. Right. And now you have to pay $99 a year. What are you talking, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? So again, sticker

Caller Adam (02:11:25):
I agree.

Leo Laporte (02:11:26):
Look at, we got five phone calls.

Caller Adam (02:11:27):
Okay. Good deal. Thank you. Right.

Mikah Sargent (02:11:28):
Thank you for calling.

Caller Adam (02:11:29):
Thank you so much. Thank you guys. Thank you, Micka. Take

Leo Laporte (02:11:32):
Care. Bye.

Caller Adam (02:11:33):
Bye. Wayne.

Leo Laporte (02:11:34):
Oh, I just

Caller Adam (02:11:35):
Hung up guys. Big

Leo Laporte (02:11:35):
Show. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I don't know how to, how do I hang up on people?

Caller Mike B (02:11:41):
They're gone.

Leo Laporte (02:11:42):
Oh, <laugh>. Okay. Wow. This was, we've got so many calls. I don't know what to do. There's a guy also in the Zoom who's been reading my book this whole time from 10 years ago. What? Yeah, look at that. The I don't know which one that is, but it's got my face on it. Mike b <laugh>. Is it? Which one is that?

Mikah Sargent (02:12:03):
Oh my goodness. It's Mike

Leo Laporte (02:12:05):
B. Is that Mike B Oh, I got, oh,

Mikah Sargent (02:12:09):
Bring on Mike B so I can pick a bone with Mike B about

Leo Laporte (02:12:11):
Mr. He, he's the one who said it should be his tug. Aha. Yeah. <Laugh>. All right. Okay. Okay. Let's, let's talk to Mike B I don't think I've ever seen a picture of Mike b in my life.

Mikah Sargent (02:12:23):
I, I know I have not. Let's

Leo Laporte (02:12:25):
Bring him into the Stargate. Hello. Welcome.

Caller Mike B (02:12:30):
Can you hear me okay?

Leo Laporte (02:12:31):
Yeah, we hear you. Great. Calling from Jersey.

Caller Mike B (02:12:33):
I am, first of all, for those who are of a certain age, they know what this shirt,

Leo Laporte (02:12:39):
What does it say? I can't say.

Mikah Sargent (02:12:41):
I see. Says

Leo Laporte (02:12:42):
Load Star eight one. Is that how you load a game on Commodore 64?

Caller Mike B (02:12:49):
Very good. For somebody who never owned a Commodor 60. I

Leo Laporte (02:12:51):
Never owned one, but I but I recognize basic when I see it. <Laugh> <laugh>,

Caller Mike B (02:12:56):
Before I get back to my reading, I don't have a question.

Leo Laporte (02:12:59):
<Laugh>, what's the name? Which one is that? I, you know, it's funny. Is your camera cuz it's got the blurring on It does my face, but it blurs the title <laugh>. That's hysterical. It's like you're hiding the title <laugh>.

Caller Mike B (02:13:10):
It's Leo the Port Guide to TiVo.

Leo Laporte (02:13:12):
Oh yeah, TiVo. That was actually a pretty good book.

Caller Mike B (02:13:15):

Leo Laporte (02:13:16):
Unfortunately it was only the TiVo one. It was the fir and they've, you know, they, they screwed me up by adding encryption and none of that works ever Darn ever again. Darn. But I had a great co-author on that who really knew what he was doing. Gareth Gareth Branwin. Is Gareth credited on the front of that Gareth Branwin? I think he is. Yes. Yes, he's good. Yeah, he's really, and your hair

Caller Mike B (02:13:35):
Is still brown too, which is pretty neat.

Leo Laporte (02:13:38):
And the other thing that that book was helpful was there was a really good TiVo forum. I know that you're a big TiVo guy, aren't you, Mike b I am still

Caller Mike B (02:13:47):
Absolutely. I I don't mind the pre-roll ads. You can fast forward through them. There's

Leo Laporte (02:13:53):
A phrase I don't like much, I don't mind the pre-roll ads. Okay.

Caller Mike B (02:13:59):
You can, you you can skip them. Uhhuh <affirmative> and they don't show up on anything that's recorded on premium tv like H B O.

Leo Laporte (02:14:06):
Oh, okay.

Caller Mike B (02:14:07):
Oh, it's not a big deal for me.

Leo Laporte (02:14:08):
I still have a bunch of TiVos with cable cards in them and, and Lisa and I are now really looking at whether we should cut the cord and go to YouTube tv, which is, you know, 73 bucks a month. I'm already paying a Oh, gonna say. Aren't you already? Yeah. Yeah. And I, and her concern was, and we're really hooked on it. Tivo has the great commercial skip button. Don't you use it on this show though, <laugh> and and so do your

Caller Mike B (02:14:32):

Leo Laporte (02:14:33):
<Laugh>. Yes. Mike B do your ads. Mike is Mike do your ads. B he always in the radio show is the guy who's telling me the chair room. Leo, you got running out of time. You gotta do your ads. So I, I have to with Lisa sit down. She says, okay, how do I skip on YouTube? And it's a little, especially on an Apple tv cuz the Apple TV remote's not very good. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But you can tell Siri they skip ahead three minutes. So if you know how long the break is gonna be and, and most shows you kinda learn Yeah. You can actually do a very good skip that's almost as good as the green d skip button on TiVo. But that is the that is the thing keeping us on TiVo. Mike. We we love that. So

Caller Mike B (02:15:13):
Ligo, you do know TiVo has an auto skip. You can send it an auto skip so you don't have to press the button.

Leo Laporte (02:15:19):
I, you know why I don't do that? Cuz I mostly do it on Jeopardy and Oh

Caller Mike B (02:15:23):
Jeopardy. Final

Leo Laporte (02:15:24):
Final's bad for that. On final Jeopardy. We'll skip to the answer, <laugh>. Oh no. And that makes me mad. Yeah. So I don't do that. I manually, I manually fast forward. Tebow's pretty good at fast forwarding. Sometimes it's a great time for a restroom break too. So you don't want it to fast forward. I'm rowing when I watch. I can't, I have to keep rowing <laugh> anyway. Only watches TV while rowing. No, that's, I only watch Jeopardy while rowing. Oh God. That's my, my deal with myself. Your deal with God. I can't watch Jeopardy unless I'm rowing. Got it. And I love Jeopardy and I feel like I'm working out my brains and my muscles at the same time. Just imagine you, I wanna buy a vow. I'm pretty good. No, that's not Jeopardy. That's Wheel of Fortune. You don't watch. Oh yeah it is. No I do not watch Wheel of Fortune <laugh>. I do not. Why wasnt thinking Wheel of Fortune. I'm Embarra Jeopardy. That's the one I'm embarrassed. You know Alex. True. I know. Jeopardy. I was thinking I'm very good at Jeopardy by the way, if you ever wanna, I'm sure you are. You know lots of things. I am very trivial. What can we do for you Mike?

Caller Mike B (02:16:24):
It's a lot of controversy. I think it was Google this week announced that they're gonna support the level domain of zip and Mov

Mikah Sargent (02:16:35):
Mov. Yep.

Caller Mike B (02:16:36):
Yeah. So a lot of people concerned about dot Zipp and mov cuz they're executable files. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, maybe you can explain to me why there is such a big Q and cry over that when we've been using an executable top level domain since the beginning of the worldwide

Leo Laporte (02:16:54):
That's a good point, isn't it? It's browsers in most cases, unless they've been tools onto, will automatically open and zip files when you download 'em, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So it's the combination of the fact that the, the tld the domain is, is zip. So I could have, you know,, you would get to the website, but I could also have the website automatically download a file the minute you got there and then your browser would very conveniently open it un and thinking it was unzipping it, execute it. Now of course it's not a zip file and so that's problematic. Now I have seen some security gurus on Twitter say, oh no, no you don't. You don't have to worry about that. I'm not convinced. And I actually will take you to a website and we can try it. You ready? It's documents. Dash backup. Zip. Now watch when I go there. Oh look at that. I have downloaded a file called zip and in many cases that file is automatically executed and the README would pop up. Now notice my machine, I have configured Firefox not to do that. Yep. But if you go to on your browser, and it and this pops up <laugh>.

Caller Mike B (02:18:18):

Leo Laporte (02:18:19):
Then you auto execute, executed a file from the internet. Not a good idea. What's your Mac doing?

Mikah Sargent (02:18:26):
My Mac first of all says do you wanna allow downloads from this site? Good. And then it downloads it but it does not open it because I have in Safari a very stupid feature that's called and I quote open quote safe files after downloading open safe files after what are safe files. Right. Don't open them automatically. This is the

Leo Laporte (02:18:49):
Problem. And that's on by the fault is to open those files.

Mikah Sargent (02:18:52):
Yes. It is on by the default.

Leo Laporte (02:18:52):
And this is the problem, zips are considered safe

Mikah Sargent (02:18:55):
Files. Yep. Archives are included in that Safe, safe

Leo Laporte (02:18:57):
Moves are probably considered Safe Lives.

Mikah Sargent (02:18:59):
Movies, pictures, sounds, text documents and archives. So there

Leo Laporte (02:19:02):
Is some debate, and I don't think Google would've done this if they thought it really was dangerous. There's some debate over whether this should be allowed too late. It and move have been approved by i a n, those are official d TLDs top level domains and Google's selling them. And you just saw me execute, you know, automatically download a file. So I guess the answer is if you are using a Macintosh turn off automatically open safe files. That's always been a dangerous thing by the

Mikah Sargent (02:19:32):
Way. Yes. I don't know why that's even enabled By default it shouldn't be.

Caller Mike B (02:19:36):
And I also tried it on my Mac, I use Edge cause you know, I'm still a Microsoft guy at heart. And yeah, it just downloaded because I do not have open, safe files upon download turned on. I just

Leo Laporte (02:19:50):
Good. So you got the file on there, which is not completely, that's, that's harmless. Unless that's harmless. Unless you're the kind of person that goes around looking in your download folder for zip files, <laugh> and then opens it. Cuz remember it's not a zip file in, in theory the one that we just did was, but in theory it's a file named zip that actually is an executable. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And so that's why it, calling it a safe file is really inappropriate. Cuz you don't know if it's safe. It, it could be an executable. Anyway, that, I'm glad you asked about that. I have, I have seen people say ex security experts saying, no, no, no, it's not a big deal. I think it's potentially a big deal. It just, I guess the point is you should turn off automatically open files. I don't know. I'm on a Windows machine using Firefox. It did not open it. So I don't, I just don't know. I think it's a bad idea. Google's, I'm not sure what I, if I understand what Google's thinking is I guess, I don't know.

Mikah Sargent (02:20:57):
Hopefully this just means that we'll see these browsers stop enabling that feature by

Leo Laporte (02:21:02):
Default. Yeah, it's the flipper zero of TLDs. Right? <laugh> not, not necessarily horribly dangerous damage. I'm really glad you asked about that Mike cuz it is, you see, you see the problem. Anyway.

Caller Mike B (02:21:13):
And before we get away from the whole Ted conspiracy thing, the last four digits also spelled A T T G.

Leo Laporte (02:21:22):
That's why we chose it. Yes.

Caller Mike B (02:21:24):
Yeah, you figured it much.

Leo Laporte (02:21:24):
Yeah. That's why the very smart jammer B chose 8 8 8 7 2 4 A T T G is our phone number. Mike b it's so great to see you. Thank you for reading the guy to TiVo and have a wonderful night and we'll see you, you soon.

Caller Mike B (02:21:38):
Thank you. Sure. Thank you everyone. Thanks Mike. B

Leo Laporte (02:21:40):
Bye-Bye. Bye-Bye. You'll see Mike B all over the irc, irc TWI tv. I've known Mike since I think he was one of my first moderators on irc. Oh wow. Nice. Going back into the nineties. No, Mike, for a long, long time. I've really mad that we are out of time. I'm really mad. I wanna do so much more. We got Captain Crunch waiting for us in the We

Mikah Sargent (02:22:04):
Do. We've got calls on calls on calls.

Leo Laporte (02:22:06):
Got five calls we go whew. I am so glad you all called in. Me too. Again, we'll be back next week. Same number. 8 8 8 7 2 4 28 84. The emails, atg, twi tv are always welcome. The Zoom is call TWI tv and we will be here for you. I think if these calls, see the whole reason to get the phone was to get the calls going. Yes. And they did. Yes. And it did. Yes. And I think if this continues we might have to make the show a little bit longer. Maybe start a little bit earlier. Y Yeah, we could do that. We could do that. We could do that. Cuz I hate to leave anybody out. So please call next week if you're on the line Now. I apologize that we couldn't get to all those calls. We thank our great sponsors. We thank our great team John Ashley produces this show. Jammer B and Burke are the studio guys. And Lily, let's not forget Lily would couldn't do it without them.

Mikah Sargent (02:22:57):
Benito at the

Leo Laporte (02:22:58):
Board. Benito running the, he's our technical director running the board. We thank you all for being here. We do the show every Sunday round about 11:00 AM Pacific. That's 2:00 PM Eastern Time. We wrap it up around this time, one 30 Pacific four 30 eastern so we can get ready for this week in tech. We've gotta gonna have a great show for you next on this week in tech if you're watching live because we have Harry McCracken in studio, Kathy Gallison studio. She's an attorney and will be talking about the three big Supreme Court decisions this week. Two of which she wrote Amicus briefs for should she? Oh wow. She's really connected writer for Tech Dirt. It's gonna be a great show. I hope you will stay tuned for that. I hope you will tune in again next Sunday. You don't have to watch live. If you want to call in though, it's better to be calling while we're on the air. <Laugh>. Indeed. Well, but I say that. But you can still call 8 8 8 7 2 4 28 84 during the week and leave a voicemail message. Yes.

Mikah Sargent (02:23:53):
Oh yeah, that's right. We've got voicemails

Leo Laporte (02:23:55):
You can leave. So you can also do that. And leave your first name and city and then a 32nd message and we will or less. And we'll get you on the air if we can. Time permitting. I think we're this show, we're gonna have to expand it now. It's gonna have to get bigger. Fantastic. Micah Sergeant hosts a number of shows on the network. Of course, the iOS today is wonderful with Rosemary Orchard this week. You're gonna start early.

Mikah Sargent (02:24:19):
Yeah, tomorrow. We're, we're recording the show tomorrow at 9:00 AM Pacific time. Tomorrow being Monday as opposed to Tuesday. So tune in to watch us live. The show will still publish at its regular time. Yes, actually I will publish it Tuesday at 9:00 AM so Oh, that's good. As if you know, we were doing it right then. So

Leo Laporte (02:24:35):
Yeah. And that's, they're, we're moving them just for the one time only. Just, just because we're gonna be covering the build keynotes at a Microsoft's developer conference. We hear there's gonna be a lot to say. We know there's gonna be a lot to say about ai, but there may even be more than that. So mic Micah will not be on at nine o'clock on Tuesday. I will be with Rich Campbell and we'll be covering the Microsoft build Keynote 9:00 AM Tuesday and 9:00 AM Wednesday. Paul Throt and Rich will join us on Wednesday for those keynotes. What else is there to say? If you wanna subscribe to this show you just go to tech guy That's the show page. That's where the show notes live. You'll all these same old pages always, that's where the show notes will live. You'll also see buttons there for the YouTube channel, which you can subscribe to. And I don't know, what is it? The Bells? Hit the chime, do the thing <laugh> and you can subscribe to that. You could download shows from the website, Twitter tv slash atg or again, tech Guy Labs. Best thing to do is find a podcast client and subscribe That way you get it automatically. You don't even have to think about it. You just have to show them in it. It is available.

Mikah Sargent (02:25:42):
And consider becoming a member of Club Twit.

Leo Laporte (02:25:45):
Oh, I didn't even mention Club

Mikah Sargent (02:25:46):
Twit. Twit.Tv/Club twit is where you go to sign up, starting at $7 a month, $84 a year, you can join the club. When you do, you get a lots of great stuff. First you get access to the members only Discord server, which is a fun place to go to chat with your fellow club TWIT members. And also those of us here at twit. You get every single twit show with no ads. It's just ads the content. No

Leo Laporte (02:26:08):
Trackers you nothing.

Mikah Sargent (02:26:10):
Yeah, no trackers. You are in effect sponsoring the shows. So you get these great shows. You get this warm fuzzy feeling in your heart knowing that you are helping keep this thing rolling along. And you also gain access to the Twit plus bonus fee that has extra stuff you won't find anywhere else. And if you thought, oh, that seems like a lot of great stuff, well it keeps going from there because you also are going to get access to some Club twit exclusive shows as the Untitled Linux Show, which is, as you might imagine a show all about Linux. You get access to Paul TH's Hands on Windows program, a short format show that covers Windows tips and tricks. My Hands on Mac program, that's all about Apple tips and tricks and the newly relaunched Scott Wilkinson's Home Theater Geeks, which is also available.

Leo Laporte (02:26:54):
Micah, that all sounds really great. How much does that

Mikah Sargent (02:26:57):
Cost? That starts at $7 a month. You can choose if you'd like to offer more support, but starts at $7 a month, $84 a year. And we'd love it if you joined.

Leo Laporte (02:27:07):
And where do I go to, to sign up to

Mikah Sargent (02:27:10):
Twit.Tv/Club twit?

Leo Laporte (02:27:14):
We love our club members. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. Thank you everybody. We'll see you next time on As The Tech Guys. Have a great geek week. Bye-Bye


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