Ask The Tech Guys Episode 1958 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for Ask the Tech Guys. I'm Leo Laporte, coming up the perfect tablet for a four year old.

Mikah Sargent (00:00:05):
And I'm Mikah Sargant. Then we hear from Craig Hawkinberry about the sad end of Twitter.

Leo Laporte (00:00:11):
Terrific. Plus a visit from the GWiz. Ask the Tech Guys is next.

Mikah Sargent (00:00:18):
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Mikah Sargent (00:00:20):
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Leo Laporte (00:00:26):
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Mikah Sargent (00:01:46):
It's time for us to Tech guy. Oh, ask

Leo Laporte (00:01:49):
The tech guys have my favorite time. Who's on the show today?

Mikah Sargent (00:01:52):
Who's on first?

Leo Laporte (00:01:53):
Leo Laport. Uhhuh. I've heard of him. And Mikah Sargant. Oh, I love him. Oh, hello you. Hello You. Hello you. How are you today? I'm opening a present. Ooh. It's some sci-fi books it looks like from the author. I like it when authors send me sci-fi books. Who are we gonna talk to on the show today? I'll tell you one very exciting Giz whizz.biz Dick d Barton will be joining us with his gadget of the week.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:17):
Many gadgets

Leo Laporte (00:02:18):
Actually. Yeah, cuz he's been on for offer a few weeks. Yeah,

Mikah Sargent (00:02:21):
He's got, he's collected a few. And

Leo Laporte (00:02:22):
You, so one of the big stories of the last week was that Twitter had disconnected, oh my Lord. Its third what they call the third party api, which means the ability of anybody to use a program to access their tweets. Not Twitters. And of course this has happened before. Twitter did this once before. But they really didn't completely disconnect these third party apps. People love Twitter riff, which came out I think a year or two after Twitter. They love tap bot's. Tweet bot, they love to was Tusk for Android. There were quite a few third party apps. I use Tweet deck myself, which is owned by Twitter. So I think it's still working. But one of the reasons I like those apps and I love Tweet deck is cuz you don't see any ads. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. It's probably one of the reasons Twitter doesn't like it <laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (00:03:10):
Exactly. And just the lack of control of the entire experience.

Leo Laporte (00:03:14):
Yeah. Well I don't for instance anymore have a I didn't on my third party stuff. A four you tab, which I really didn't want. Yeah. You know, cause that's not people I'm following. And a lot of that stuff just doesn't, doesn't appear in the third party apps. Probably. Mostly cuz the third party app designers are trying to make an app for people who don't want that stuff. Yeah. They want the Twitter wants you to have that. So they, the first thing they did is they just turned it off. That was a week ago Thursday. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And then that puzzled

Mikah Sargent (00:03:43):
People, mind you, suddenly they turned it off

Leo Laporte (00:03:45):
Suddenly. Yeah. That puzzled people a bit. And then then they said a few days later, well, you broke the rules to which all these third party apps said, well, we've been doing this for 15 years. What, what, what rules? And then they couldn't find the rules. So they made some rules mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. And they changed the rules and they said those rules. You talked on Thursday to

Mikah Sargent (00:04:07):
Craig Hockenberry. Oh, I love Craig Hocken, who is one of the founders of the Icon Factory and happens to be at the head of the creation of the first Twitter client. Yes. Twitter did not even have its own client when Craig Hockenberry and team created the first Twitter client, first for Mac and then for iPhone and later for other services as

Leo Laporte (00:04:31):
Well. This was Twitter.

Mikah Sargent (00:04:32):
This was Twitter. Terrific. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:04:33):
Twitter, in fact Craig wrote a very, I think tearful mm-hmm. <Affirmative> Farewell as did it, did all these third party apps, because they're just basically saying, okay, they took it outta the App Store. So we'll have a little segment of that interview that you did with him. Last this past week on Thursday, a week after they were turned off. By the way. Thank you. I have opened my present to Bob Freeman. He is the author of the H two Lift Ships series. And he has now sent me three sci-fi books. No one wanted to be lost, cold and dead in the voids latest ghost ship. Ooh. Well, I'll

Mikah Sargent (00:05:12):
Be reading Sea Shanties are plenty. I'll

Leo Laporte (00:05:13):
Be <laugh>. Do they have Sea Shs in space?

Mikah Sargent (00:05:16):
Sea

Leo Laporte (00:05:16):
Shanties. Hey, hold the space. Ship comes.

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So that was one story, and we'll be covering that in a little bit later. There's a big story going on right now, which is the Supreme Court is expected to rule when it rules. Usually they take arguments in the first few in October through November, December of a year. And then in the spring of the year they start making their, you know, announcing their decisions. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, they are, there's a case they're seeing right now, Gonzalez versus Google. That is a significant case for, and this is a little hard to describe, but I think it's important that, you know, section two 30 of the, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, section two 30 protects, you know, they, they're focusing on big tech, but it protects all tech against frivolous lawsuits. For instance, we have a Discord, we have a chat we have a, we have forums.

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Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, we have YouTube. We have comments on a variety of places we're protected against somebody putting something in there that is bad, wrong or illegal from liability. You know we're also protected from liability for deleting it. We're allowed to delete it and we can't be sued because it was there, you know which seems appropriate to me. Now, the focus, of course, is on, well, well, Google and Facebook should take this stuff down, but it's more than Google and Facebook. In fact, it's very much more than Google and Facebook. It's a lot of little people like us. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> without that Section two 30 liability, if you were to go in our chat room and post a song by let's say Mariah Carey and Mariah Carey's label decided to sue, they could sue us. Not the poster. Now, right Now the judge would throw it out saying, section two 30, they're protected.

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But if section two 30 goes away and that's a possibility in this case then we would have a problem. Because frankly, we, I think most of us would just stop running, have to close things down, have to close those sites. So the Supreme Court is hearing you know, it's an interesting case. It's, it's Gonzalez versus Google. They're being sued by the family of a young woman who's killed in 2015 by an ISIS terrorist group in Paris. Okay. The family's suing Google because they said, it's your fault Google. Because, and this is a subtle difference. They allowed ISIS recruiting videos to be posted. They're protected by the way, section two 30. They try to take those down, but then the family says, but they did something worse. They allowed the algorithm to recommend those videos. And by doing so, they radicalized people. So the Supreme Court is gonna hear this case.

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 I, I, I'm not sure if, I don't think they've heard arguments yet, but people, Google has submitted, meta has submitted, a lot of companies have submitted friends of the court briefs to the, to the court saying, you can't get rid of this. I think there's, frankly, for me, there's less sympathy for Google and Facebook cuz they have the means and the weapons and the tools to moderate. I also, and we got, we got into this on one of our shows earlier, this week's as you know, Jeff Jarvis is a se section two 30, ab Absolutist. He says, under no circumstances should be modified in any way because it does two very important things. It allows, it gets us off the hook so we can run these, you know, discussion groups and allows us to moderate, we're neither liable for letting the thing up or for taking the thing down. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, and this is really important cuz I would, you know, if you posted Mariah Carey's latest hit in the in the chat room, I would take it down. Our moderators would take it down. If you posted a hate speech, we would take it down. We do, we have the right to do that section. Two 30 goes away, the person whose post is taken down could sue us for taking it down.

Mikah Sargent (00:09:12):
So there's no winning without it.

Leo Laporte (00:09:14):
Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:09:15):
It's a, that's the argument. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:09:16):
It's kind of a problem. But I, and this is where we got in a fight, and I'm really curious what you think about this, Mikah. I think that Google should be liable if their algorithm promotes the content that's going a step farther than letting it be on the site or taking it down from the site. It's telling other people, oh, you should, you should look at this. You should look at this isis mm-hmm. <Affirmative> recruitment video.

Mikah Sargent (00:09:39):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I, so I agree with you because first and foremost, I think we have definitely, as a society underestimated the power of the suggestion that exists there. And, okay, so some people end up learning these tools where they are less likely to be swayed by their peers. That peer pressure that that leads you to do something that you wouldn't otherwise do. But the thing about these algorithms is due to the subtlety and the fact that it's not coming from a human being, you are less likely to realize the sort of peer pressure, so to speak, that's involved in that and become susceptible to it much easier. And I think that we have to consider the psychological perspective of this when we're considering it. And I agree that some, a big company like Google that should be taking some of the money that they have and improving upon the moderation that they do and improve

Leo Laporte (00:10:36):
Upon those. And in their defense, they did take those videos down and they say, we always take them down. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> nevertheless, their algorithm, until they were taken, they recommended. So my problem is that these algorithms are created by companies like Twitter, Facebook, and Google to make more money. They're, in this case, somehow, sometimes algorithms are not used that way. But in, in those three cases, those companies promote, and this is that Twitter thing. They promote content because it will keep you engaged in the site. It will make the site more sticky. They promote it. And usually, unfortunately, and it's done all completely automatically, it's not some human saying, well, let's let's radicalize Mikah. Right. It's much more likely they say, oh, well, Mikah spends a lot more time when we, when we show 'em these videos, we don't even know what the content is, so let's show more of them. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And to me, that is an algorithm driven by a profit motive that could easily go away. I don't even, I don't like it. Now, the, the reason this came up is the folks at Reddit, do you know about Reddit? You read,

Mikah Sargent (00:11:30):
Read, I've heard about

Leo Laporte (00:11:31):
Reddit. Yeah. You've heard of Reddit? Have you read it? Front

Mikah Sargent (00:11:32):
Page of the internet? I think, yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:11:34):
I've, I'm a huge Reddit fan. Reddit is a bunch of, it's basically a bunch of groups like forums where people discuss stuff. But, and I didn't really think of this when I was criticizing algorithms. Reddit heavily uses algorithms. In fact, it's not really done by Reddit. It's done by the moderators of each group. Not so much. In fact, I don't think ever to promote stickiness engagement, but because bef there's some automatic stuff like stuff that gets higher voted or is newer. You can choose how to sort your Reddit feed. And, and in every case, Reddit doesn't, doesn't keep it the way you know it wants, it, it lets you choose how you want it. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, but apparently, I didn't know this. Moderators also use algorithms to get rid of bad content.

Mikah Sargent (00:12:19):
Is this through plugins or box or

Leo Laporte (00:12:21):
Something? How, yeah, there's tools provided by Reddit. Okay. that, because it's impossible, you know, to moderate a large active forum Absolutely. Without some tools. So they're concerned that those tools will be hurt if Section two 30 is modified to a, to ban algorithms. So I agree that's potentially a problem. I, and I don't have a problem with that kind of algorithm. I have a problem though, with algorithms that are trying to make more money by keeping you engaged. Got

Mikah Sargent (00:12:49):
It. So for you, there's the human involvement in the algorithms that the Reddit people are using help.

Leo Laporte (00:12:56):
Well, this is the problem is, I don't know if there's a good way to legally draw a line around the bad algorithms. Right. Without getting rid of the good algorithms. Uhhuh, <affirmative> and Al, we kind of need algorithms to some degree. I an algorithm. Oh, an algorithm is a computer program. And the problem with the Google algorithm is just some human said, Hey, goo, hey, you know, Al, go, Hey, you <laugh>, all you gotta do is whatever it takes to get Mikah to watch more. And the algorithm goes, well, I notice when this, this, and this happens, Al Mikah watches more, so we'll do more of this, this, and this. It's not paying attention to content at all. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And so it's, it's neutral in that regard, but it does have this negative effect. Every time we see algos used that way, it has a negative effect.

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I don't know. I, I'm not sure of my position on this. And I think Jeff Jarvis the king of moral panic of anti moral panic. Antioch says no, no, you can't, you can't start chipping away at two 30 because one little chip in the hole facade could fall apart. And I, and I agree. We need section two 30. So I just wanted, I kind of wanted to mention this. We don't normally kind of get into the weeds on this tech stuff, but the Supreme Court is gonna be ruling on it, and it could very much change the internet. Other big story this week. Lots of layoffs. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:14:12):
The death of vr.

Leo Laporte (00:14:13):
Well, that's what I thought was interesting. First of all, so sorry if you lost your job. And Google, I think is firing was it 15,000 people? Microsoft, 11,000. They're big, big layoffs. This thing that's sad on Google, from my point of view, I was, I was watching on Twitter, a number of people have been there 20 years. It wasn't just, that is, ugh. It wasn't just like new people that were

Mikah Sargent (00:14:39):
Hired during the pandemic kind of thing. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:14:41):
Yeah. I mean, that's kind of the justification is well, we double our, our, and that's true. We doubled our personnel over the pandemic. We gotta cut it back a little bit. Okay. I understand that. That, but they're firing people. Not first in, not, not last in, first out, but, well, I don't understand what they're doing. They're, they understand it's their business. They can do it, see

Mikah Sargent (00:15:02):
Algorithms.

Leo Laporte (00:15:03):
But I do think that it's interesting that Microsoft is laid off pretty much everybody doing virtual reality. Microsoft, including all

Mikah Sargent (00:15:11):
Parts of virtual reality.

Leo Laporte (00:15:11):
Yeah. Including HoloLens. They had a virtual reality or a mi they called a mixed reality toolkit. So Microsoft is kind of saying, yeah, this isn't gonna go anywhere. Uhhuh, <affirmative>, meta laying, same kinds of large groups of people from that division off Apple. The rumor is they were planning a VR headset this year and an augmented reality headset next year says, ah, we can do the, we can do the cheap one, but we're not gonna do the fancy one. There's too many technical issues for a few more years.

Mikah Sargent (00:15:45):
We're gonna push it out a little bit. Do

Leo Laporte (00:15:46):
You think that's, this is it for vr, Mr. Ar,

Mikah Sargent (00:15:50):
So here's

Leo Laporte (00:15:51):
<Laugh>. Do you know what all the RS

Mikah Sargent (00:15:52):
Mean? I think that a big part of this is the fact that we had and have this global pandemic. And because there was lots of, there was lots of cash available at the start of it to really kinda let it simmer and let it let it percolate. And now whenever you are looking, you're going, well, I've gotta go back to my, my stalwart and true Clydesdales as opposed to playing around with this, this pony that may or may not result in some financial gains for us. And so I think a lot of companies are just kind of getting into that panic mode and going, we've got to cut somewhere. And we don't have the money to fund all this research to make this technology truly work. So I don't know that it's necessarily that ar vr, MR is not going to work or will never work. I just think it takes a huge investment because it's all so new and bright and needs all of this research put into it.

Leo Laporte (00:16:47):
Apple seemed to really think that that was gonna be the next bit thing. Mesh certainly did. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, Microsoft sort of acted like

Mikah Sargent (00:16:52):
They practically renamed their their company for the fact that they had bet on it. Meta. Meta meta.

Leo Laporte (00:16:57):
Yeah. Because the metaverse takes, in order to be in the metaverse, you have to wear these silly helmets. All right. We're gonna go to the calls in just a second. Calls dot twit tv. It's a little different from the old radio show. There's no phone number, although we gotta look into that. Maybe we should get a phone number. Just make it easy. But it should be pretty easy, even on your phone, if you open your browser works on a smartphone, Mikah showed us how on an episode 1956, if you want, go back and look at that. Just go to your smartphone. Open the browser, enter calls. TWI tv call. Singular. Yes. Like it's a verb. Call what? Call.Twit.Tv. John's doing this, but he doesn't know sign language, so it doesn't make any sense. <Laugh>. I don't either. So <laugh> call twit TV and we will take some Zoom calls. If you do it on your phone, it should just open up. Zoom can download if you want, or if you don't don't want it, you can use your browser and your phone. And we know your microphone camera works. So we think that's gonna be the easiest way to do it. One more thing, do you ever use Amazon's smile?

Mikah Sargent (00:17:58):
Oh, Leo, this broke my heart. Yes, I do.

Leo Laporte (00:18:01):
So smile.amazon.com and every purchase you made on Amazon, a few pennies would go to charity of your choice. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I I did Doctors Without Borders. A

Mikah Sargent (00:18:11):
S P C A.

Leo Laporte (00:18:11):
Yeah. Cuz you like animals. Do I like people? Yes. So it's just a little difference. We have a little difference. <Laugh> Amazon killed it.

Mikah Sargent (00:18:20):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> on a Friday. No, on a Wednesday night after 5:00 PM Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:18:24):
But somebody unread it who used to work in that division said, let me explain why they did Smile and why they're killing it.

Mikah Sargent (00:18:33):
Oh, I didn't hear about

Leo Laporte (00:18:34):
This. So, the big problem Amazon had some years ago was that you would go to Google search for product then. In fact, I bet you still do click the product and buy it on Amazon, which means Amazon was paying Google affiliate fees. Okay. So much so that it was costing them I think millions if not billions of dollars a year. Okay. So, so the, the center that was designed that is in Amazon to increase profitability, not to do nice things for people, but to increase profitability, said, we gotta figure out a way to get people, not to go to Google, but to go to an Amazon thing. So we get all the money and they said, look, what if, if we'll do this, if you go to smiled on amazon.com, we'll donate a percentage, much smaller percentage, and we'd have to give to Google to a charity of your choice. And then we convince people, cuz Smile only works if you go to smiled on amazon.com. So it was really about not putting money in Google's pocket, much less about putting money in charity's pockets. Holy moly. And now Amazon says it's gonna close it in order to quote focus on, its, its philanthropic giving to programs with greater impact.

Mikah Sargent (00:19:41):
Yeah. The, the way that they, they sold this was, we just really think this hasn't had an impact. Yeah. It's all lip service.

Leo Laporte (00:19:48):
It has not grown to create the impact we've originally hoped. Well, what really happened, <laugh>, was people stopped going to Google and started going to Amazon. It's less of a problem. They decided they don't wanna give any money to anybody. Amazon is very focused on profit. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> not so much focused on charity. Right. Bottom line. So, I'm sorry to, I'm sorry to destroy your, your I've kind of broken your hopes, haven't I?

Mikah Sargent (00:20:15):
Oh, a little bit. I I didn't realize that was the, you know, the reason that the thing was founded.

Leo Laporte (00:20:20):
I mean, it's just somebody, it's just somebody posting on Reddit who said it, but I think it was actually actually very credible.

Mikah Sargent (00:20:26):
It's smacks of

Leo Laporte (00:20:27):
Truth. Yeah. And then somebody immediately afterwards said, yeah, I was in that division too. And you're right, <laugh>. Ugh.

Mikah Sargent (00:20:33):
But it makes sense because you also, when you signed up for it, you had to agree to have notifications from Amazon sent to your phone. Yeah. If you turned those off, then they wouldn't let you get the smile. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:20:44):
I feel bad. I mean, I really did like the feeling, anyway.

Mikah Sargent (00:20:48):
I was nice getting that email. I was like, Hey, a million dollars was sent contributing to, how

Leo Laporte (00:20:52):
Can they say a million dollars is not impactful.

Mikah Sargent (00:20:55):
That's what I was saying. How can you say that? I talked about this on Tech News Weekly, and I'm like, even if it's, if it's a small impact, that's still an impact. You can choose to not make an impact or you can make an impact. And, you know, just like the way that water can erode the land bit by face, even small impact. Never

Leo Laporte (00:21:13):
Seen the Grand Canyon baby. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. The

Mikah Sargent (00:21:17):
Grand Canyon,

Leo Laporte (00:21:17):
Let's do a 50. Bartolo is ready to be with us, but let, I really wanna do one call before we do that, if that's okay with you. Only if it's okay with you. Me,

Mikah Sargent (00:21:24):
I'm

Leo Laporte (00:21:25):
Great. You're the boss. Okay.

Mikah Sargent (00:21:26):
Well, let's

Leo Laporte (00:21:28):
Do it. Let's do it. All right. <Laugh>. Now I have to see who's got his his stuff turned on. Didn't we talk to Kevin last week? I think we did. Did we talk to, I wanna make sure everybody who gets, who wants to can get on. How about we'll put Tim on the air. Tim is clearly on his phone, which I really like. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, Tim you're gonna get a little popup as always. It says you you want to talk? You sure you wanna talk? Press that button. Nice. Turn it sideways. Let's see how that helps. See if it, Hey, now your head's even bigger, but you gotta Yep. You, you know, I always, my mom calls me on the I iPad and, and I always say, look, put the point that go, go over to the camera <laugh>. And she, she's got her thumb on it and she's always looking over here where I am. And I said, look at the ca So look at the camera. Tim. Hi Tim. Welcome. Where are you from?

Caller 1 (00:22:18):
Minneapolis, Minnesota.

Leo Laporte (00:22:19):
And is it, are you under six feet of snow?

Caller 1 (00:22:22):
We fully melting. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:22:25):
That's actually worse than the snow, isn't it? The kind of the afternoon.

Caller 1 (00:22:28):
Yeah. The melt freezes and like that.

Leo Laporte (00:22:30):
Yes. Ees. What can we do for you, sir?

Caller 1 (00:22:33):
I was wondering if follow up the budget cuts and tech stuff going on, would did delay certain advancements?

Leo Laporte (00:22:42):
Oh, that's a good question. That's a good question. I, you know, they tech spends a lot of money in r and d mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, and I don't see them cutting that.

Mikah Sargent (00:22:53):
They will choose to make cuts in other places. I think before they cut back on research and development. Because I think companies have to think long term as long as they're able to. Right. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:23:04):
It's a great question. I mean, that's, Tim, that's what these companies are really trying to do with all of this stuff. Like VR and cars and, you know, all the cra ai, they're trying to find the next big thing. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And most of these companies understand, they call it the innovators dilemma that, you know this Clay Christensen wrote this classic book and everybody in Silicon Valley has read it that says, the problem with innovation is once you start making money on a product, let's say the iPhone, it's very hard to change your business model Yep. To do the next thing. And all these companies understand this. So I, the layoffs to me, most of the, look, again, my heart goes out to anybody who's lost their job. I'm so sorry. That's horrible. That's a just a horrible thing in most cases. It, I think when the companies say this is right sizing, they're not far wrong, they, in some cases doubled staffed during Covid mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. And so now they're getting rid of a small percentage of the new hires. So I I it's a good question. Is it gonna impact their ability to

Mikah Sargent (00:24:05):
Innovate? I think it's also, it's not long term that's being changed. It's midterm. An example of this is what we just saw from Apple from, from the sort of analysis of how this all worked out. The thought is that Apple would have released these products earlier in fact at the end of last year. But they waited to release them until the beginning of this year for a couple of reasons. One reason being that they wanted to have the supply in line so that you could order it and get it whenever it was supposed to launch. Cuz the iPhone had a very long lead time on being able to get it. And the second thing was so that they could prop up this quarter in terms of earnings because

Leo Laporte (00:24:46):
They wanted to have a better quarter. Quarter.

Mikah Sargent (00:24:47):
Yeah. Yeah. So those two things kind of work together to have them release the home pod, release, the, the Mac, in

Leo Laporte (00:24:52):
Other words, they play a lot of games.

Mikah Sargent (00:24:53):
You play Exactly. You're playing a lot of games.

Leo Laporte (00:24:56):
I wouldn't, I wouldn't, it's a great question. I wouldn't worry. I mean, where's, where's most of the big innovation ha happening these days? It feels to me it's happening. Oh, goodness gracious. I don't know what's going on. General

Mikah Sargent (00:25:06):
Of

Leo Laporte (00:25:06):
AI feels, feels to me it's happening in ai. Yep. Chat. G P t Sam Altman who is the, the CEO of Open AI that created chat. G P T this week said, don't get your hopes up cuz they're talking about the next version chat, G P T three. He said people think it's gonna be a a G I.

Mikah Sargent (00:25:25):
What does that stand?

Leo Laporte (00:25:28):
Arti General Artificial Intelligence. Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. That's like an think like a human. And he says, don't, don't get your hopes up too high. But they are still working very hard on it. They're gonna get better and better and better.

Mikah Sargent (00:25:38):
And there's money being paid to this. Yeah. More than anywhere

Leo Laporte (00:25:40):
Else. Yeah. I think there's a lot of money. Somebody in our discord oh oh 11. Hello. Oh, oh 11 says there have been no layoffs at Nvidia. What is NVIDIA's business besides graphics cards? It's those processors for self-driving vehicles. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And it's in artificial intelligence. Yeah. No layoffs at Nvidia. So I guess it's the category that you're in that that it really matters. Hey, I appreciate the call, Tim. It's nice to hear from you. Stay stay warm. <Laugh> in the Twin Cities. Should we do a little Dickie

Mikah Sargent (00:26:12):
D Let's do

Leo Laporte (00:26:13):
It. It's time for, we don't have any disco to play, so just everybody pretend you're Discoing <laugh>. That is not Disco Dick d Bartell Mad Magazine's Madis writer for more than five decades. And our giz fizz whizz the <laugh>. He hosts the Gizz Fizz on Wednesday evenings on the network twit.tv. And he is also our gadget guy. Hi, Dickie. D

Dick DeBartolo (00:26:43):
Leo. How you doing Mikah? Hello. So good to see you. The same, so this radio thi Oh, the radio's gone. And, and this this is great.

Leo Laporte (00:26:53):
Yeah. It's, you know, it's interesting because I wanna make it kinda like the old radio show, but there's something missing. I don't know. Do you notice that 19 minutes, an hour of commercials <laugh>?

Leo Laporte (00:27:06):
Yes. And it does change, believe it or not, it does change the pace of the show a little bit. Uhhuh <affirmative>. Right. We, like, I would've stopped after our Tom's call and said, we'll be right back with more after these words. And then you'd hear some, you know, hemorrhoid cream ads and things, and then it'd be Dick. But now we just go right into it. So, I don't know, maybe we're gonna have to make up some stuff to put in between. Do you have any suggestions?

Dick DeBartolo (00:27:29):
Well, when do you get to run and get coffee?

Leo Laporte (00:27:32):
Oh, we don't do that anymore. Yeah,

Dick DeBartolo (00:27:33):
We don't get coffee. Oh, you don't <laugh>?

Leo Laporte (00:27:37):
No. Actually we, we, we've been talking about that off the air. Like when do we, how do we, how do we, we need something to Yes. We need something to go get coffee. So Dick joins a, has joined the radio show for how many years did you do the radio show? Like 13 or 14 years?

Dick DeBartolo (00:27:51):
Yeah. Since you, since since we started. 2005, I think. Or

Leo Laporte (00:27:57):
Six. Oh wow. 18 years.

Dick DeBartolo (00:27:59):
I was, I was the third show you ever. It did. So whatever that comes out to,

Leo Laporte (00:28:03):
You are on the third show.

Dick DeBartolo (00:28:05):
The, the, that was

Leo Laporte (00:28:06):
2004

Dick DeBartolo (00:28:08):
<Laugh> when we met. You said, I have a monthly show. I have a weekly show. I need a daily show.

Leo Laporte (00:28:14):
Oh, that was the podcast. Think it was 2005. That was the Daily GWiz. Yeah, exactly. Daily.

Dick DeBartolo (00:28:20):
A long time.

Leo Laporte (00:28:20):
The guy has gadgets score. He has so many gadgets. He actually pays a significant amount of money every month to a warehouse down the street to destroy his unused gadgets. <Laugh>.

Dick DeBartolo (00:28:30):
Yeah. It's like an old folks home for gadgets.

Leo Laporte (00:28:33):
<Laugh>. We even had a segment on the giz the Daily GWiz called Dick Gadget. Warehouse <laugh> and I, I came to visit Dick and we actually brought cameras down into the warehouse. It was interesting, <laugh>

Dick DeBartolo (00:28:47):
To say the

Leo Laporte (00:28:48):
Least. It was like, it's a castle. It's in a castle.

Dick DeBartolo (00:28:52):
Y Yeah. And the funny thing is you said, should we add sound effects? Until you heard the elevator? Which would go,

Leo Laporte (00:28:57):
Oh my God. It was

Dick DeBartolo (00:28:58):
Crazy. It was like an old chain elevator. <Laugh>. I mean, it's, it was built as a warehouse.

Leo Laporte (00:29:05):
Yeah. In, in Manhattan.

Dick DeBartolo (00:29:07):
In Manhattan. The Sophia Warehouse. It's on 83rd and Amsterdam.

Leo Laporte (00:29:11):
Imagine what the rent is. Oh my goodness. In

Dick DeBartolo (00:29:13):
Manhattan. Oh yeah. To store stuff. I believe they own, I think Sophia owns the

Leo Laporte (00:29:18):
Building. They have to otherwise, yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (00:29:19):
Yeah. And and the guy who owns it, I don't know if he's still around, but he told me when they originally built it, IBM had the entire top floor. Oh. And only they had excess with the elevator to get on that floor because it was a development sensor floor. Wow. IBM goes back. Did they

Leo Laporte (00:29:41):
Ride that elevator though? That creaky

Dick DeBartolo (00:29:43):
Clunky, yes, I bet they did. Yeah. Special

Leo Laporte (00:29:46):
Key. I, somewhere I will find the sound effects cuz I, I said, Dick, just let me record this sound cuz you this, nobody's gonna believe this. It's like chains dragging across the floor.

Dick DeBartolo (00:29:55):
It's kind of Right. It's better now. It's like, it's, it's, it's better now. They finally put in a new elevator. Oh, I think confusing my rent money. I was gonna say years of rent have finally allowed.

Leo Laporte (00:30:06):
Yeah. It's a profit deal. <Laugh>. Dick, what do you have for us this week?

Dick DeBartolo (00:30:10):
Well, we're gonna talk about a few things from CES 2023. Three. Okay. Beautiful. Chad, Chad Johnson, the co-host of the GWiz loves going. And we, this is the second year or maybe the third year we have a deal. I read all the press releases. I find the interesting stuff. I call him in Vegas and I say, go get footage of this. And then I arrange zoom meetings with the people who run 'em. So the first thing, this is really neat, you're gonna, so basically

Leo Laporte (00:30:39):
He does the footwork and you do all the, you gather the glory.

Dick DeBartolo (00:30:44):
Yeah, exactly.

Leo Laporte (00:30:44):
Okay. <laugh>.

Dick DeBartolo (00:30:46):
Exactly. If

Leo Laporte (00:30:47):
You could call this glory. Exactly. You get the glory. Not

Dick DeBartolo (00:30:49):
Yet

Leo Laporte (00:30:50):
<Laugh>.

Dick DeBartolo (00:30:50):
Exactly. okay. So Candela was showing just video. And we have some of the video here. They have the first, they say the world's first all electric

Leo Laporte (00:31:01):
Hydrofoil. Oh,

Dick DeBartolo (00:31:02):
Please. So it, what?

Leo Laporte (00:31:05):
It's not, the boat is not in the water. It's riding on three little legs.

Dick DeBartolo (00:31:09):
Yeah. Why? But it's being p p. Why? Because it cuts the friction by

Leo Laporte (00:31:15):
80%. So so it's efficient.

Dick DeBartolo (00:31:19):
It's efficient. Not only is it efficient, the, the hull is all carbon fiber. So with an electric motor that equals only about 67 horsepower, it can go 30 knots.

Leo Laporte (00:31:33):
That's really cool. Is it, does it rock less? Is it like

Dick DeBartolo (00:31:38):
Absolutely. You, the waves can be three to four feet and you'll be above them. Wow. So this is going to be a smooth ride. And also, I love hydrofoils. They've been around for a long time, but they're very loud because they have really big engines pumping the water through there to get the boat up. But this little guy, it's a 28 footer sits eight people. There are a lot of this is cool cabin arrangements that you can get. Yeah. And, and a hundred percent carbon fiber. But I mean, it's coming in the fall. This is a Swedish company and they are already building, I believe the woman said it's a 60 or 80 passenger hydrofoil electric ferry. This isn't, it's going to run in Stockholm. I

Leo Laporte (00:32:26):
Have to say. This is not that new. Remember Mark Zuckerberg on the 4th of July, a couple of years ago, riding his like can you show this? His little surfboard

Mikah Sargent (00:32:38):
Hydrofoil. Surfboard.

Dick DeBartolo (00:32:39):
Yeah. Oh, he had an electric. He had a

Leo Laporte (00:32:41):
Yes. I have to press the button.

Dick DeBartolo (00:32:42):
Oh, you know, I think you're right. I think there is. There

Leo Laporte (00:32:44):
He is. So is that the same goodness principle?

Dick DeBartolo (00:32:48):
I bet it is <laugh>. Yeah, because, because there's no boat towing that.

Mikah Sargent (00:32:54):
Yeah. So I'm fairly certain though, with these hydrofoils, the way that they work is you press down as you jump, as you see him jumping

Leo Laporte (00:33:01):
Down. So what is that? What he's doing is to get to go faster.

Mikah Sargent (00:33:04):
Yeah. That's what parachutes you forward.

Leo Laporte (00:33:05):
It doesn't have a

Mikah Sargent (00:33:06):
Engine. It doesn't need to be electric to

Leo Laporte (00:33:08):
Do that. Oh. He's riding in the wake of a motorboat and it's keeping you going.

Dick DeBartolo (00:33:12):
Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:33:12):
Oh, oh. I get, oh, thank you for explaining that, Mike. I thought it was magic. No,

Dick DeBartolo (00:33:17):
That's great. That's great. I was gonna say that

Leo Laporte (00:33:19):
Right? I'm so impressed. And look, he can do it and pull

Dick DeBartolo (00:33:22):
Brick flag then. Yeah. Well, he uses the flag for direction when he The balance. Yeah. Switch his hands.

Leo Laporte (00:33:28):
<Laugh>, help

Dick DeBartolo (00:33:29):
Me.

Leo Laporte (00:33:29):
It's an above line. So when will this, I like this boat. I, I would like to buy this boat. Can I buy it now?

Dick DeBartolo (00:33:36):
You can. They sold 150 and it's Leo, it starts at 380 or $90,000.

Leo Laporte (00:33:43):
Oh. It's

Dick DeBartolo (00:33:44):
A little pricey. So you're not going to, it's a

Leo Laporte (00:33:46):
Little pricey. Is it too cheap? Is it, is it for more than a boat? Like that would be normally. Cause I don't know what boats

Dick DeBartolo (00:33:53):
Cost. It's, it's a little bit higher, but, okay. The, the, the finish from the videos. They do amazing stuff.

Leo Laporte (00:34:00):
Do do most marinas have electric plugs for these kinds? That is a good question. Charge your battery

Mikah Sargent (00:34:07):
Question. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (00:34:09):
You know, I, I do not know that. Well, that's an interesting question. I

Mikah Sargent (00:34:12):
Bet they do. Because there are a lot of folks who live on their boats and

Leo Laporte (00:34:16):
Right. They will. So they have to have two 40 parked

Mikah Sargent (00:34:18):
There. Yeah. Yeah. And have everything

Dick DeBartolo (00:34:20):
Plugged in. Yeah. That's one of the reasons they're building a new marina down there. We had 30 amps at every dock.

Leo Laporte (00:34:26):
Oh, that's not enough for these. You need, you need 40. No,

Dick DeBartolo (00:34:30):
It wasn't enough for the liver borders either. Yeah. I I, I have something you might be interested

Leo Laporte (00:34:34):
In. They make these boards outta liver too. <Laugh>

Dick DeBartolo (00:34:38):
Out of liver

Leo Laporte (00:34:39):
For mine. Nevermind. Oh, oh, oh. Nevermind. I'm sorry. That was Adam

Dick DeBartolo (00:34:45):
Left. I I got it now. Live aboard. Okay.

Leo Laporte (00:34:47):
Yeah. Yeah. That's all. If you have to explain it, it's no good. <Laugh>. What else do you have for

Dick DeBartolo (00:34:52):
Us, Dick? That's okay. Okay. Sky. Ted. All right.

Leo Laporte (00:34:55):
Sky What?

Dick DeBartolo (00:34:56):
Sky? Ted. Sky. Ted? Yeah. Okay. Sky. Ted. The silent bubble mask.

Mikah Sargent (00:35:02):
Is that him?

Dick DeBartolo (00:35:02):
Is that Ted? Okay. That no, that's, that, that's a doctor who is working on this, this project. So a lot of big aircraft manufacturers are behind this because it muffles conversation by 80%. So now that like Delta is,

Leo Laporte (00:35:21):
Let's, let's try this. Mikah. Or

Dick DeBartolo (00:35:27):
It's muffled or muffled. [inaudible] Can I have a muffin or a muffled muffin?

Leo Laporte (00:35:34):
Why, why would you want, why would you wanna be muffled?

Dick DeBartolo (00:35:39):
This is you're, you're sitting in the middle seat and you wanna discuss something with

Leo Laporte (00:35:44):
Somebody. Oh, you're talking, but who are you talking to? So you have a microphone in there.

Dick DeBartolo (00:35:49):
Of course you do. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:35:50):
So this is for when they allow cell phones on planes is what this is?

Dick DeBartolo (00:35:55):
Yes. Shortly. Delta is going to have free wifi for all.

Leo Laporte (00:36:01):
Oh, I get it

Dick DeBartolo (00:36:02):
Now. It's for confidential. It's for making confidential calls. No matter where you are, it's gonna pitch toy business.

Mikah Sargent (00:36:09):
Yeah. And then they can't hear

Leo Laporte (00:36:11):
You. Pilot. Love it. And the next thing they're gonna do is wrist restraints so that you don't have to fight over the center armrest. Yeah. They're just gonna tie you Right, right into it. Okay. Pilots, you get your muffins.

Dick DeBartolo (00:36:22):
So instead of having a whisper, they, they also into your phone. They also say it's good for gamers who would be watching something and yelling and screaming. And this way no one will hear them. Yeah. So

Mikah Sargent (00:36:32):
You, you live in a small house and your roommate works the night shift and roommates trying to see

Leo Laporte (00:36:38):
Or

Dick DeBartolo (00:36:38):
Curl, you

Leo Laporte (00:36:39):
Can play. Put this on. Or

Dick DeBartolo (00:36:41):
You

Leo Laporte (00:36:41):
Can go, I'm losing. Get in here <laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (00:36:45):
And then you don't have to worry about

Leo Laporte (00:36:46):
Waking up yet. Can I just say, Dick, I don't think this one's going anywhere. <Laugh>. Okay.

Dick DeBartolo (00:36:50):
Okay. Okay. Is

Leo Laporte (00:36:51):
It a mask? Like a, like a, like a covid mask? So it's as well as well, is

Dick DeBartolo (00:36:56):
It re I didn't, I didn't try it on. I didn't try it on. Okay. So I, I don't know. Chad does

Leo Laporte (00:37:01):
It. Respirate. <laugh>. What else? What else do you

Dick DeBartolo (00:37:04):
The next one? It is weird. Okay. The motion pillow sold, that comes with a little box

Leo Laporte (00:37:12):
Sold

Dick DeBartolo (00:37:12):
Microphone.

Leo Laporte (00:37:14):
Oh

Dick DeBartolo (00:37:14):
No. That listens to you snoring.

Leo Laporte (00:37:16):
No, there's a guy in my pillow.

Dick DeBartolo (00:37:19):
Okay. Alright. So I said, I said to Chad,

Leo Laporte (00:37:23):
So weird me, he went to the weirdest booths. Oh my God. It's

Dick DeBartolo (00:37:27):
Creepy. Well, you're good at this

Leo Laporte (00:37:29):
Dick. Yeah. He's he's been doing it for you.

Dick DeBartolo (00:37:31):
So yeah, I said a ask the guy, why is that pillow doing that so much? So the guy said, we only wanted to attract attention. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:37:39):
Okay. So normally

Dick DeBartolo (00:37:40):
Doesn't move. What you do is you put the little box out that listens for your hearing. Yeah. Senses in the pillow can tell where your head is. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And so when you start snoring, it registers where your head is. Now

Leo Laporte (00:37:56):
It move you up. Is it to wake you up or is it just to reposition

Dick DeBartolo (00:38:00):
Your airway? The guy said the little ab there in that pillow. There are four different airbags that slowly inflate to change the position of your head.

Leo Laporte (00:38:11):
So if, so if you're snoring and you change, if they can move your head to a different position, you'll stop snoring. Is that mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, is that true? Exactly.

Dick DeBartolo (00:38:17):
Oh, exactly. And then it can register when you stop snoring and it knows the best. Just elbow

Leo Laporte (00:38:21):
Me with a sharp elbow. And that usually, usually gets the chop.

Dick DeBartolo (00:38:25):
Well, that's cheaper. Yeah. That, that's cheaper than you. Or

Leo Laporte (00:38:27):
That's cheaper. Let's combine these and wear the muffle masks to bed. Yes. Yes. There you go.

Dick DeBartolo (00:38:33):
Perfect. There you go.

Leo Laporte (00:38:35):
Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (00:38:35):
Perfect. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:38:36):
Perfect. Is this pillow for also for sale or the muffle mask? I forgot to ask you about that. Are those,

Dick DeBartolo (00:38:41):
Oh, let's see. Available. The muffle mask is going, is going on Kickstarter in Mo.

Leo Laporte (00:38:45):
Oh, it's a Kickstarter. Okay.

Dick DeBartolo (00:38:47):
The pillow is for sale in Korea. But you know what he said? Six to $700. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:38:54):
Infa.

Dick DeBartolo (00:38:55):
I know, I know. So I did a web search. Does anybody make something like that? And does it cost that much? And I found there's a company called Night Nitron n it tron and they do the same thing, but, and, and it's $500,

Leo Laporte (00:39:10):
But they just put little cats in, in the pillow instead of a motor.

Mikah Sargent (00:39:14):
You have to trade them out every once in a while cause they grow up.

Leo Laporte (00:39:16):
So Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I do have cats do that. I would, I I, if I could train the cats to wake me up when I'm snoring, that would be good. See,

Mikah Sargent (00:39:23):
That's the thing is, but

Dick DeBartolo (00:39:24):
That's not a bed. You

Mikah Sargent (00:39:25):
Don't wanna be woken up your head. It interrupts your sleep. So to stay asleep and have your airway, which is, it's almost also based on airway obstruction. Oh. So yeah. If your head can be adjusted in a way that it then reopens that airway, that's actually, it's a really smart idea because many snorers they end up not getting great sleep.

Leo Laporte (00:39:44):
Yeah. Cuz you wake up,

Mikah Sargent (00:39:45):
You wake up cuz your brain tells you you are dying right now. You need to wake up. Well, that's sleep in

Leo Laporte (00:39:49):
Move's. Yeah. Right. That's great. Dangerous. Yeah. Kill Princess Leia, I believe.

Mikah Sargent (00:39:53):
Well, and not only that, it has a lasting impact on your body. It can change the, your heart. Oh, I'm going in it. But anyway, yes.

Leo Laporte (00:40:00):
This

Mikah Sargent (00:40:00):
Is a cool thing. This pillow is really cool.

Leo Laporte (00:40:02):
I used to do a sleep podcast. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (00:40:04):
I'm very into sleep stuff. Oh, okay. That's so they are, they are sleep science. So the nitron one, the nitron one has six airbags to move

Leo Laporte (00:40:12):
Your head. Oh, it's even better. Where

Dick DeBartolo (00:40:13):
The one it's yes. Only has four

Leo Laporte (00:40:15):
And it's less expensive.

Dick DeBartolo (00:40:17):
Yeah. And, and the final thing is just silly, but I think it's neat. It's called doggie.

Mikah Sargent (00:40:22):
Oh,

Dick DeBartolo (00:40:22):
It's okay. And coming out in September and watch his tail,

Mikah Sargent (00:40:26):
It's tail can say words

Dick DeBartolo (00:40:28):
<Laugh>. Exactly. Exactly. And what's kind of fun about this is that each member of the family can play with it, name it differently. And how you play with it is how it will react in the, the next time you punch in

Leo Laporte (00:40:42):
Your name. You okay? Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (00:40:43):
Okay. I love the tail

Mikah Sargent (00:40:45):
It tail lag thing. That's really cute.

Leo Laporte (00:40:47):
<Laugh>. Oh, he threw a bone and it all gets all happy.

Dick DeBartolo (00:40:49):
Yeah. A virtual bone. Thank you. The tail can say, Aw. And this is in the fall for 80 bucks

Leo Laporte (00:40:57):
Coming in the fall. Oh, that's not bad. The do og e.com. But you know what? You don't have to remember that website. All you have to remember is gwiz.biz. That's Dick's website. G I Z W I z dot b i z. And I like it. Thank you for changing your button. To add an ass on, on the tech

Dick DeBartolo (00:41:17):
And click on that. I changed the whole header. Go to that. You

Leo Laporte (00:41:20):
Got a whole new header there with Mike and I. We are. Thank you for doing

Mikah Sargent (00:41:23):
That. That's

Dick DeBartolo (00:41:24):
Awesome.

Leo Laporte (00:41:24):
Yeah. And that's price. So GWiz biz and he, and click the button that says the GWiz is that guys, while you're there though, there's lots of other gadgets. Gadgets she showed on World News. Now the, what the heck is a contest? I haven't seen the new one. What the heck? This is for January, February. Identify this gadget. And you could be in the running for an autograph copy of Mad Magazine, but just remember there's six for the right answer. 12 for the wrong answer. So, so be wrong. <Laugh>. So, so what is it? I mean, what are we identifying? The cable, the cord or the whole thing?

Dick DeBartolo (00:42:07):
The, that's the way it comes out of the package.

Mikah Sargent (00:42:11):
That's what I told my doctor.

Leo Laporte (00:42:13):
<Laugh>. Woohoo. Ooh, we need a little rim shot. Sam.

Dick DeBartolo (00:42:20):
I think. <Laugh>. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:42:22):
<Laugh>. 

Dick DeBartolo (00:42:24):
You should get, you know, John Kerra had a drum in his office so he could do

Leo Laporte (00:42:27):
Rims. Did he really? He would write Yes.

Dick DeBartolo (00:42:29):
I know what

Leo Laporte (00:42:30):
He is. Editor, editor of Mad Magazine. You know what it

Mikah Sargent (00:42:32):
Is? Yes. This is for a squirrels toilet to make sure that if there's a, if there's ever a a clog

Leo Laporte (00:42:39):
It's to snake the

Mikah Sargent (00:42:40):
Squirrel Snake. The snake. The squirrels toilet. Okay. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:42:42):
It's a squirrel snake. Whoa.

Dick DeBartolo (00:42:44):
Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Leo Laporte (00:42:45):
But it looks like it hangs on the wall. So, and I don't think squirrels have walls.

Mikah Sargent (00:42:50):
They do inside of their tree houses. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:42:51):
Inside the house. They have a wall. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. They have a toilet. They must have a wall. Exactly.

Mikah Sargent (00:42:56):
They're taking porcelain toilet.

Dick DeBartolo (00:42:58):
They have great woodwork in those toilet scooter

Leo Laporte (00:43:01):
Too. Scooter X did a Google image search. And I came up with this. I don't

Mikah Sargent (00:43:07):
Oh, wow. They're earrings. Apparently.

Leo Laporte (00:43:09):
<Laugh>. I don't think that's right. But anyway, <laugh>, if you're in the disc discord it's a thought. Go to GIZ Wisdom is click the, what the heck is a contest Chance to win an autograph Mad magazine, which I love it that you do that. Last month's was a bottle holder, a bottle with a half. It

Dick DeBartolo (00:43:30):
Was just, it was, it was the simplest thing and only one person got it. Oh, it's simply, oh, it is a bottle. It's simply a bottle that folds in half for who knows what reason

Mikah Sargent (00:43:42):
For transportation.

Dick DeBartolo (00:43:43):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:43:43):
To make it more compact.

Dick DeBartolo (00:43:45):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:43:46):
And you can buy it for $4 per I best $5. Shipping and handling

Mikah Sargent (00:43:50):
Probably Leaks everywhere. <Laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:43:51):
It's an invertible bottle. It's

Mikah Sargent (00:43:53):
The most frustrating bottle in the world.

Leo Laporte (00:43:55):
Dick, you are amazing with the stuff you find. I agree. I, I swear I don't know where you get all this stuff, but this is good.

Dick DeBartolo (00:44:01):
I I spent a lot of time hunting. He lives a weird stuff. He lives Yep. That's how I ended up here. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:44:07):
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Dick DeBartolo (00:44:18):
Thank you, sir. Thank

Mikah Sargent (00:44:19):
You so much for your time.

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Okay. This is great. Fun job. Thank you Dick D Oh, okay. It's

Leo Laporte (00:44:23):
Always nice, nice to see you. Now I do need a cup of coffee, <laugh>, but we can't do that. Thank you. Dickie D

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Okay buddy. Take care.

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Mikah Sargent (00:49:14):
Could have Craig Hawkinberry join us while we take a break

Leo Laporte (00:49:17):
If you want. I wanna do some more calls. We haven't done another calls, but Craig will come up in just a little bit to talk about what happened. I feel so bad to Twitter if, which was really the best, one of the best. I guess there were some others. Certainly the first was the first Twitter client. Now, sadly no more. And

Mikah Sargent (00:49:35):
Wait till you hear about how they found out. It's

Leo Laporte (00:49:37):
Just frustrating. All right. I'm not gonna take, let's see. Dan has his hand raised. Dan, you don't need to turn on your camera if you don't want to, because you know, this could be a phone call via Zoom. So Dan, I'm gonna send you the note. Press the button, unmute the microphone, and speak to us. Hey, how are ya? Hi.

Caller 2 (00:50:00):
Hi there. It was a little strange. It took me out or it took me to another.

Leo Laporte (00:50:04):
Anyway, yeah, it looks a little weird when on your end, which is, because what's happening is you're in a lobby and then this is for everybody who we will pick up later in the show too. You're in a lobby and then I move you into the on-air room. And so there's a brief moment where you get a popup that says you're being moved to another room. You say, okay, now you're in the other room. We can hear you. We don't want everybody in the lobby to be able to talk, cuz it would be a little, little crazy. Oh,

Caller 2 (00:50:28):
Of course. Yeah. But, but it took me actually to, to another, another app on my computer. Oh. And then I had to move it back to, to, oh, I'm sorry, to the

Leo Laporte (00:50:39):
Right thing. We're gonna have to work on this. John, where are you calling from?

Caller 2 (00:50:42):
I'm, I'm here in Leesburg, Virginia. All

Leo Laporte (00:50:45):
Right. Is is that the home of the Confederacy?

Caller 2 (00:50:49):
No. <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:50:51):
I just thought it might be, I don't know. No, no. Okay. <laugh>.

Caller 2 (00:50:55):
But, but it is, you know, it is in a state that that the Confederacy took over.

Leo Laporte (00:51:01):
Well, I thought it might be named after Robert E. Lee is why I thought it might be called. No,

Caller 2 (00:51:05):
No, I think it's got it. I think it's might be named Harry Light Horse Lee or something like that.

Leo Laporte (00:51:11):
Oh, there you go. Light Horse Lee. The old 100 and Thirst. So what can we do for you, John?

Caller 2 (00:51:18):
Well, I I have, I use different computers and, and I use screen readers on all them. And I have Linnux and I'm trying to use the Big Warden cli

Leo Laporte (00:51:31):
Mm oh, the command line interface.

Caller 2 (00:51:34):
But it is a, it is a mess

Leo Laporte (00:51:36):
To use. <Laugh>. You know, it's funny, I love it that they have it. I haven't tried using it. They have a graphical, you know, just it exactly like the windows and neck one.

Caller 2 (00:51:46):
That doesn't seem to work. It's inaccessible. Oh no. Maybe they're using an old version of Electron or something, but I can't even,

Leo Laporte (00:51:53):
Which, okay, so first of all, I have to disclaim this bit. Warden is a sponsor. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But it also is, it's turning out to be, I think the, the number one place people go when they leave Last Pass. Certainly I did Steve Gibson did. So I, I I wanna make sure that it, it works for you for those two reasons. Which version of what, what distro of Linux are you using?

Caller 2 (00:52:16):
Well, I'm using Gen two.

Leo Laporte (00:52:18):
Okay. And you, so gen two is a little strange cuz you build your own apps in gen two,

Caller 2 (00:52:23):
But No, but in, in, in bit warden's Casey, you just download a blob.

Leo Laporte (00:52:27):
Okay. So you didn't do the Portage thing. You, you, you used the blob.

Caller 2 (00:52:31):
I did do a Portage thing, but all it gives you is the blob

Leo Laporte (00:52:34):
<Laugh>. And then the blob has, what is, this is a little bit

Caller 2 (00:52:39):
Giy, everything in it, the

Leo Laporte (00:52:40):
Blob has, what's the extension on the blob? Is it a snap or, or an image? No,

Caller 2 (00:52:44):
No, no. It's, it's just a binary, it's just the actual in

Leo Laporte (00:52:48):
Itself. And then you, and then you have to, so they have instructions, I presume, saying you have to set permissions on it so that you can execute it and that kind of

Caller 2 (00:52:56):
Thing. Yeah. And that's it. And then you just run it you know, BW is the name of it. Yeah. And, and sub commands all over the place. I'll

Leo Laporte (00:53:05):
Have to, you know, I haven't, so I and the Linux I use, which is Manjaro and is a d

Caller 2 (00:53:11):
Well try it, it doesn't matter which version which, no,

Leo Laporte (00:53:13):
It works. No, works fine. It works fine. I use it all the time. I installed it. It's

Caller 2 (00:53:17):
Called the command Line version

Leo Laporte (00:53:18):
Though. Oh, I haven't tried the command line version. I will try that. That's, yeah. The Gooey, yeah, the, the Gooey works. The

Caller 2 (00:53:24):
Goo the Gooey was also the gooey. I downloaded it, but, but the, but the, my screen reader didn't detect it.

Leo Laporte (00:53:33):
Ah, ah, so you're blind. And that would be very helpful for you if the command line version worked. Cuz

Caller 2 (00:53:39):
It's text. That's right. Screen reader. Why do you think I've done

Leo Laporte (00:53:42):
It? No, I get it now. I get it. You know, I haven't, I I feel bad cuz I have not played with the command line. Well, when you type bw does it run

Caller 2 (00:53:55):
Well, it runs, I mean, it's, it's not broken or anything, but, but, but in order to, in order to actually get to do anything, it's a very complicated process. You have to use jq, which is a, a Jason processor in, in, in there.

Leo Laporte (00:54:11):
Oh, that's crazy. And that's, oh yeah. Then that's crazy. Have you done the BW space? Dash, dash help?

Caller 2 (00:54:20):
Of course. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:54:21):
Okay. So you've read the help page. I'm looking at it right now in the Bit Warden site.

Caller 2 (00:54:25):
I've read the help page and, and, and, and look at the example of, of of, of of, of creating a, to create something, you have to get a template <laugh> and then go through, oh

Leo Laporte (00:54:37):
No, that's not ideal, is it?

Caller 2 (00:54:39):
No.

Leo Laporte (00:54:40):
Yeah.

Caller 2 (00:54:40):
And to edit something, look at do or BW edit. BW help edit or edit

Leo Laporte (00:54:48):
The, yeah, unfortunately I don't have Linux in front of me. I'm using Windows, so, oh, I don't, I can't try This'll prompt it for authentication using an a p key. It does look complicated. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So let's find a better command line password. One password has a cli I'm gonna suggest, since you're already using Linux that you tried one of the open source passwords. The, the managers, the one that most people seem to like a lot is called Key. K E E P A

Caller 2 (00:55:20):
Sx. I, I tried. Yeah. I, I tried

Leo Laporte (00:55:22):
Key sx. And you didn't like that?

Caller 2 (00:55:25):
No, because you couldn't, the iOS and the, and the Mac version Yeah. Didn't work.

Leo Laporte (00:55:31):
Right. That's an issue, isn't it? That's one of the problems with these open source things is they often don't have mobile versions because that takes a lot of effort to make an you you need, you need a developer experience to quote. Yeah, it was, so this is really designed to be used from the command line in Linux. And then, you know, if you have to do it on your phone, then you have to ma <laugh> manually enter it. What do you, so do you use a screen reader on your on your phone? Yeah.

Caller 2 (00:55:58):
Oh, yes. I, I I do on the phone. It all works. I mean, you know, on the phone I got, I got to work on the phone.

Leo Laporte (00:56:05):
So I'm gonna we do have a, a guy in our Discord change link. Thank you. Who says, I'm also a screen reader user. The thing about electron apps is they're really good or they're really horrible. Usually he does say one password offers the best screen reader experience. Even with a recent changes, they've got a team devoted to, to, I'm guessing change link's, not using it on Linux. That adds a whole extra layer of complexity.

Mikah Sargent (00:56:28):
I have one password on my version of Linux. It's not

Leo Laporte (00:56:31):
The same one. Oh, good for you. And it works Okay. It's not, is it? They do have a command line version. Yeah. Maybe it's worth trying that. Have you already set up Bit Warden with all the passwords and everyth?

Caller 2 (00:56:40):
Yes, I did. I have, I I've handed up because, you know, I, I listened to these crazy people on the, on

Leo Laporte (00:56:47):
The That's your mistake right there, right there. What were you thinking? <Laugh>? I know. Ridiculous. So, yeah,

Caller 2 (00:56:55):
So it is, you know, it kind of works. The, the only real bad problem is if you, if you get the item and you have a long note, what the way they give it to you is, is the whole note is there with backslash ns to separate the law.

Leo Laporte (00:57:13):
Ah, and your screen reader says slash n <laugh> every time, but,

Caller 2 (00:57:18):
Well, no. Yeah. And I could do it. I put it into Eemax and, and then, you know, I kind of can get it to work.

Leo Laporte (00:57:24):
Yeah. Cuz those are, those are, obviously it's using different this is a complicated issue that Linux users run into. Mac, windows and Linux all have three different ways of ending lines. The Mac, Mac uses command and windows uses command. I mean, Mac slash Mac windows uses back slash r and lets use back slash cr.

Caller 2 (00:57:46):
So, no, but no, no, no. But no, but, but, but, but this apparently comes right out of the blob outta your blob.

Leo Laporte (00:57:54):
Yeah. And so it's, it looks like it's for a a it sounds like it's for, for a Mac. Emax is smart and any good editor will be smart enough to go, oh yeah, that's how Line Inning.

Caller 2 (00:58:04):
No, but Emax doesn't consider it the wine ending.

Leo Laporte (00:58:06):
Oh no. So it's all jammed together.

Caller 2 (00:58:09):
It's all jammed together. And you can, you see, you see back, there's a backslash character and an N

Leo Laporte (00:58:17):
Oh. Oh my God. Oh my God. Golly. Hey John, hang on just a second, cuz I'm gonna try something we've not done before, but I feel, I feel like maybe we could do this because, and I don't know if you remember from the radio show, Julian Vargas was a regular caller. Tech jv.com. He, yeah, he is blind. I I know. Julian's great and he helps people and actually on his website gives out his phone number and everything and, right. I

Caller 2 (00:58:46):
Thought I haven't, I haven't tried him with this problem cuz I thought it was a little beyond. Well, here's

Leo Laporte (00:58:51):
Some good news. Julian's here. Woo. Hey Julian. Hi Julian.

Caller 2-1 (00:58:55):
Hey guys. Can you hear me?

Leo Laporte (00:58:56):
Yeah. Yeah. You sound great too. This is the first time I've had two people in the same room conference and it's worked great.

Caller 2 (00:59:02):
Oh, wow. You brought you to it. Okay, great.

Leo Laporte (00:59:04):
Look at this, John. Let's talk about service With a smile. Thank you for calling Jimmy.

Caller 2 (00:59:08):
Oh my

Leo Laporte (00:59:09):
God, I appreciate it. There

Caller 2-1 (00:59:10):
You go. Well I'll say right off the bat that I, I unfortunately don't have any helpful insight for him because I'm not a a geeky Linux user. And by the way, I say the most utmost respect and admiration cause I wish

Leo Laporte (00:59:23):
I would. I'm impressed. Not only is John, not only is John using Linux he's using tu, which is a very geeky distro hard movie. Eax. Yeah. Wow. I'm impressed. John. We're gonna have to, I'm get you doing some lisp in just a little bit.

Caller 2 (00:59:36):
Oh, I've done a little bit of Lis, but Nice. You know, I, it's not my favorite language, let's put it that way, but

Leo Laporte (00:59:42):
It's my favorite. But that's okay. <Laugh>, you can do Python. It's all right. I'll forgive you. 

Caller 2 (00:59:47):
But, but I've done a little bit of lis but a little function I had to write, you know, and yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:59:52):
EMA excuses its own version called E Lisp. But it's amazing to have this editor that you can completely configure. So, Julian, what do you tell people who call you and ask for help with password managers? What do you find works

Caller 2-1 (01:00:04):
The best? Well what I wanted to say was, I wanted to get this out there because you guys do or recommend Bid Warden, is that I made the switch from last Pass Bid Warden. And it's gone. Well, for me I'm, I wanted a report that it is accessible on Windows, iOS and Android, which are the three main platforms that I do use. The only stumbling block I sort of ran into was the thing with the capture when you're first setting up. But I was able to get around it all the times. There was something about doing an accessibility cookie or something like that. And somehow, some way

Caller 2 (01:00:38):
I just ran into a capture. By the way, I'm sending it up, I

Leo Laporte (01:00:42):
Hate captures and boy mm-hmm. That's, and I can see, I can only imagine Yeah. That Wow. I hadn't considered, that's why they do those audio captures and it goes, you can compare.

Caller 2 (01:00:53):
Exactly. That's right. Yeah.

Caller 2-1 (01:00:55):
Those things were, things were pain. But yeah, the, the thing is, I never had to enter anything. I, I was able to hit the accessibility cookie option and somehow, some way I got around it by checking, then hitting something that says I'm human or I'm not a robot. And I got through and I set it up on my iPhone, my pixel six A as well as my Windows computer. And it works well on all platforms. The, the migrating of the password vault was, was quite seamless. It was quite easy. Actually,

Caller 2 (01:01:25):
Mine is not. I had the note. It was too big. I had a note that was too big.

Leo Laporte (01:01:29):
Oh, that is, and I actually mentioned that on when we talked about moving over, you can make notes that are bigger or somehow incompatible and last Yeah, they

Caller 2 (01:01:37):
Only 10,000 characters. It's not very big. I don't know why they,

Leo Laporte (01:01:41):
Well, they spread it over two, two notes, I guess. I don't know.

Caller 2 (01:01:46):
I think I had to do four or something. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:01:48):
Wow. You have a 40,000 character note.

Caller 2 (01:01:52):
It was 35,000. I mean, it is

Leo Laporte (01:01:54):
Is like a, a novel <laugh> <laugh> Dear Die.

Caller 2-1 (01:01:58):
I guess he wants to secure his Warren piece text version.

Caller 2 (01:02:02):
Oh. List, like whole list of phone numbers and just a bunch of stuff.

Leo Laporte (01:02:06):
Oh, I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is a problem. There's a difference. That's a difference. You know, its a, I call it an impedance mismatches as if the train tracks didn't match and then you get That's right. But exactly. But those are, there's are some, a few minor annoyances like that. But I think first of all, you're gonna be more secure. But I really want to get it so that's more accessible. So, we'll, I'm going to, I'll tell you what, this week, I will go I will look at the command line version of it. I'll see if I could come up with some easier solutions for you. I think part of the Yeah,

Caller 2 (01:02:33):
You have to use, you have to use jq. If as a adjacent project that's not, then you break out the field.

Leo Laporte (01:02:39):
That's not, then's not okay. <Laugh> no's not, that's, you shouldn't have to interpret the output at all. That's crazy.

Caller 2 (01:02:45):
Oh, then you have to encode it back again. But before you can put it back into the vault.

Leo Laporte (01:02:51):
Oh, no, that's not, that's so inconvenient. You're not gonna use it. And that's, that's a big problem with the password manager. It has to be Yeah. Easy enough to use that. You are willing to Exactly. Jump over that hook. That hook. That's right. I have to say one thing though, the sound quality on Julian and John is fantastic. <Laugh>. <laugh>. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, it's Julian. I'm used to hearing you on the phone. You sound so good. You have this nice voice. Sounds so much better. I'm glad we can use Zoom for some of these even though there's Technic and

Caller 2 (01:03:16):
I'm using the computer on, on my Zoom. Good. zoom.

Leo Laporte (01:03:20):
And it's working great. 

Caller 2 (01:03:22):
Yeah. And you can see me if you're interested. I

Leo Laporte (01:03:24):
Don't know. I will, I will try to play with it over the week and see if I can come up with some answers for you. Okay, great. Thank you, John. All. I appreciate it. And thank you, Julian. I'm gonna give you a big plug cuz Julian really is a generous person. His website, tech jv.com. He's got his phone number there. But I'm gonna give out his email if you are blind and want some assistance, help@techjv.com. He specializes in what he calls mobile assistive technology training, consulting, tech support, and presentations. And you are always a great help on the tech guy. I'm so glad to have you on Asthe Tech guys. Thank you, Julian.

Caller 2-1 (01:04:02):
Yeah, you're so welcome. And I'm glad to, you know, follow you over here. And I do still listen. Yes. And I also plan to you know, listen in on Rich's show, and if anything comes up there, you know, still help on that side as well.

Leo Laporte (01:04:14):
Please do. Because as you know, one of the things about being on the radio that's great is we get a lot of blind listeners mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, because that's, that's the medium of choice. And so it's really nice if we can, if we can help that way. And as I, as you know, Julian, I've always said I do the best I can, but I'm not blind. So even if I put on a blindfold and try this stuff, it wouldn't approximate your experience. So it's really great to have somebody who is blind can come in and help us out. So I hope you will continue to do that and help Rich get his show on streaming. Because I hear from a lot of people <laugh> Yeah. Who say I, how do I supposed to listen to that other show? And I say, not my problem, man. <Laugh>, ask Rich. I don't know.

Caller 2-1 (01:04:53):
I don't know. Well, I mean, they, they can, they can stream him on, I know iHeart, you know, if I feeds and things like podcast a and the podcast does come out usually the same day of the show. Oh, good. So it's, it's still there.

Leo Laporte (01:05:05):
Oh, good. All right. So if you listen to The Rich On Tech podcast, is it the same feat as the old iHeart Tech guy podcast?

Caller 2-1 (01:05:11):
Yeah. Basically. Okay. It just comes on and it'll say a new thing, rich on Tech coming out.

Leo Laporte (01:05:15):
Good. Okay. Good. Well, I'm glad they, they kept that alive. So that's another way to do it. Thank you so much, Julian. Thank you. You're so welcome. Take care. Have a have a great day. I appreciate it. Now pushing all those weird buttons to move people around. <Laugh> <laugh>, it's a little more complicated to use the Zoom, but boy, the

Mikah Sargent (01:05:36):
Sound quality sounds really good.

Leo Laporte (01:05:38):
I sound, I mean, honestly, I've talked to Julian for years. This is the first time I've ever

Mikah Sargent (01:05:43):
Heard, heard his voice. Yeah. <laugh> truly

Leo Laporte (01:05:46):
Like, heard how he sounds. It's really great. All right. I think this would be a good time. We're gonna take some more calls, keep calling call.twi.tv again you know, understand that when we, when I pick you up, then there's this process. You'll get a popup. You have to accept, you're gonna get moved around. You have to unmute your mic, and then we'll get you on the air. And John Ashley's gonna cut all that stuff out of the show. So if you don't, if it bothers you that we do all this messing around

Mikah Sargent (01:06:13):
Watching Live, then you can check it out after the fact. Twit tv.

Leo Laporte (01:06:17):
Cut that part out slash cut that part out. Yeah, cut that. Cut, cut that <laugh> you earlier this week, talked to Craig Hawkinberry.

Mikah Sargent (01:06:29):
I did, yes. Craig Hawkinberry founder of the Icon Factory, and creator along with the team of the Twitter terrific client for iOS, makos, et cetera. I wanted Craig to come on the show because Twitter Terrific was one of several third party Twitter clients that faced a change in Twitter's api. And I wanted to get a, a, you know, firsthand look at what that experience was like, and also get a chance to hear Craig's colorful thoughts on what happened. How did you even find out that this change had taken place? You know, did Twitter's developers reach out to you? Did you try accessing Twitter through? How, how did this happen for you?

Craig Hockenberry (01:07:15):
Well, there's very few people left at Twitter in their developer relations group, number one. Number two, there was no attempt on their part to contact us to give us any kind of a heads up that this was happening. It literally was somebody I forget who it was, but, you know, one of our customers said, Hey, I can't log in. And then that got that word, got to one of our engineers, a colleague of mine Sean Heber. And he says, yeah, can you go check the Twitter dashboard? And I checked the, the dashboard and I saw this big red banner that said, your app is suspended. And wow. That, that is all we know at this point. They have, they said, you know, over breaking the rules, but what rules, right?

Mikah Sargent (01:08:02):
Yeah. Cause you've been doing it for this long

Craig Hockenberry (01:08:04):
<Laugh>. Yeah, well, that's the thing. You know, over 16 years we've complied with a lot of rule changes that they've made. Everything from, you know, how you display a tweet, you know, which ways you authorize with the service. There, there have been numerous changes over the years that we comply with happen because we're, you know, we get value out of it. Our customers get value out of it. Twitter gets value out

Leo Laporte (01:08:26):
Of it. Not enough of value, apparently. <Laugh>. so you did this interview on Thursday. Shortly after the interview, Twitter changed the rules and said, oh, those rules that we just changed, that's the rule you broke. And the rule was no third party clients essentially could use our api. So I thought the, I thought the piece that Craig wrote and Paul Hadad from a tweet bot wrote, they were both beautiful kind of memories of, and, and, and as Craig pointed out, in fact, if you wanna see the whole interview, it's on Tech News Weekly, Twitter TV slash tnw recommended. What he pointed out is that Twitter, if was started a year after Twitter was started, and it helped Twitter do a lot of the things it in that you later liked about Twitter. It inspired the verb tweet. Yeah, it is. It wasn't a tweet Twitter till Twitter tweet till Twitter.

(01:09:20):
Terrific. The Blue Bird was a, was a Twitter bird. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Because the company that does Twitter, icon Factory is famous for their design. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So there, that's why Twitter was a bluebird. It's just shocking that the new ownership just really doesn't, but, you know, that happens when when you take over twit, you'll probably, you know, erase the statue to me in the lobby. Yes. You'll probably And the Wednesday Psalms that we do for Leo. Yeah. Take all that stuff. Agar out of those. Yeah. Take my name off the official history. That's normal. <Laugh>. Actually, Musk did do that at Tesla. The guys who started Tesla and founded it, you No, I won't hear anything about them unless you dig, because that's not, he wants people to saym. He started, I'm sorry. I don't like that he started testing. I think that's, that's that is the behavior of a person who is a child. <Laugh>.

(01:10:08):
That's what it boils. Some have said a malignant narcissist. Uhhuh <affirmative>. Yeah. That might be appropriate that those were better words than I see some, I see some hands raised in. I want to talk to somebody we used to talk to all the time on the radio show, who lives just up the road a piece. He's a old chef guy. In fact, I ran into him at Trader Joe's once. <Laugh> Richard, we're adding you to the the official room. Unmute your mic and and say hello if you can. We're also gonna Christopher Miami, our coffee guy, we're gonna talk to you in a bit. Chris, I just wanted to get a little more caffeinated. So during the, there you go. Craig, you match you. I ran out. Hey, how are you? Hey, now? Yes. Maybe now. Yes, you're on Rich.

Caller 3 (01:10:51):
I love the ro I love the roller coaster ride of You're connected. No, you're not connected. Wait, now you're

Leo Laporte (01:10:55):
Connected. Thank you. Zoom. We thank you. One of the things that is gonna happen, I hope that's gonna speed this up, is Andy Carluccio, who's been really great. He works at Zoom. He's really helped us with all of this. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, he's gonna write a script that will make this easier for both sides. I'm hoping so. Anyway, Richard, hi. Good to see you.

Caller 3 (01:11:13):
Hi. Great to see you in the new old setting. <Laugh> with the new format.

Leo Laporte (01:11:19):
How do you like the clock?

Caller 3 (01:11:21):
I like the clock. Very good. That was both very Vanna White of both of you at the same time. We are professional. Would you like to buy a vow? Professional Vanna Whites? Yes. I'd like to buy a vow.

Leo Laporte (01:11:30):
One of the first things I learned at Tech TV was how to show a product. And I, I don't know if they were saying it in jest or not, but we would do a lot of closeup shots of products and they said, just run your hand, the back of your hand along the product as we're shooting it so that you know that this is not a static shot. And you know, who does that on the price is Right. What's her name does that on the price is right. And I watched her and she taught me how to do that. Wow. So now I know <laugh>,

Caller 3 (01:11:58):
I once did I once did some photography for a hand model

Leo Laporte (01:12:02):
Really?

Caller 3 (01:12:03):
And he traveled all over the world doing demos cuz he had beautiful hands, lovely hands, perfect hands. And even though we were doing static shots, he couldn't stop moving his hand. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:12:12):
Across

Caller 3 (01:12:13):
The bottom, across the edge. Across the top. You feeling the Corinthian leather.

Leo Laporte (01:12:17):
Yeah. You're feeling the fine Alara.

Caller 3 (01:12:19):
Yes, exactly. It's an amazing,

Leo Laporte (01:12:20):
Yeah. Wasn't it George Costanza, who was a hand model in Seinfeld? I think so. And he and he had a, he went, yeah. They,

Caller 3 (01:12:26):
They do have to keep their hands moisturized. Yeah, he had lovely hands. He was constantly living his hands. <Laugh>. I have an unusual tech question. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:12:35):
Good. Yes.

Caller 3 (01:12:35):
These are fun. So I produce online events for people in the old radio style, meaning that I have a sound cart. So when I, so when I get through with a producing an event for somebody, I press the end button and it's a finished product.

Leo Laporte (01:12:49):
Oh, nice.

Caller 3 (01:12:50):
We should do that. Commercials are, the commercials are introed. The, you know, everything is done in real time. Like radio Uhhuh,

Leo Laporte (01:12:57):
<Affirmative>. Yeah, I like that. In fact, that was always our intent with all of our shows, is to minimize editing by do it, doing it live. They call it live to tape. I don't know what you Yes. Live to bits. Now. I guess

Caller 3 (01:13:07):
I, I stick with tape just to confuse people. Yeah. <laugh>. And so, but the problem I'm running into is the products that are available like soundboard or Farrago, I forget the group, but Farrago, the sound cart type devices. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:13:21):
Take

Caller 3 (01:13:22):
Up massive amounts of screen space. Yeah. Ah, I mean, like, they're dumb. They're great apps, but they're like,

Leo Laporte (01:13:28):
They need one of these.

Caller 3 (01:13:30):
Oh no, there's gonna be some $2,000 product. Not at all.

Leo Laporte (01:13:34):
It's actually fairly affordable. Elga makes these, it's called the stream deck. Now. This is the mini, it has only six buttons because they didn't want to give me too much power, but they make them with many, many more buttons and they even now make them with knobs. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And what that does is it means, and, and you, you, what you do is you hook this up via usb. Here's a slightly larger one. This isn't even the, the biggest one. You hook this up via USB to your computer and then run some software so that soundboard that you're running on your, on your computer, you can in effect duplicate in hardware with buttons. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, you know, one of the cool things about this, you probably can't see it, but you can have any image you want on those buttons. So the buttons could have plain text, but they could also have something, an icon, an

Mikah Sargent (01:14:22):
Icon

Leo Laporte (01:14:22):
Sense for you, like a Denny's menu so that you'd be able to, you know, push the hamburger button or push the f hash browns or, you know, the Grand Slam breakfast button. Yep.

Mikah Sargent (01:14:31):
Got

Leo Laporte (01:14:31):
It. Am I a little

Mikah Sargent (01:14:32):
Hungry? I was confused

Leo Laporte (01:14:33):
First. You might wonder board, but <laugh>

Caller 3 (01:14:37):
I feel a Danish order to

Mikah Sargent (01:14:38):
Anyone. Little one's about $80 of big ones.

Leo Laporte (01:14:40):
They're really a surprisingly affordable, and this new one they have with knobs means you can control anything that has a continuous setting like volume you can control. This is, do you remember I bet you do Richard cuz you're that kind of guy. S C T V Oh, sure. Yeah. The great show. Yeah. That launched John Candy and so many Right. Rich, rich Morans. And of course the guy who later went on to do Schitz Creek I'm blanking on his name. Anyway, rich Morran, was it was it Moran? Some one of them did a a wonderful piece in which he was doing a music video show, like a dj, but he had a big switcher and he would do the T bar <laugh>, and he would do all his, it was his terrible, the tea bar. This is kind of like that. There's not a T bar, but it's kind of like in, in fact, if you get the big one, it has many, many buttons. Plus it has paging. So yeah, you really don't even need to have, press the lower left button and go to the next page. The next page, the next page. So there's an really, an infinite number and there's completely configurable from your computer. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Let me, let me, I sh I guess I have to you. They can't see your screen.

Mikah Sargent (01:15:53):
Oh, they could, I forgot. I turned it off. Temporarily.

Leo Laporte (01:15:55):
Let me, let me, let me go to it. El Gado is the company ea, E L G A T O. And Stream Deck El Gato is an interesting story. They were a Mac video company got sold to Crucial the memory company and Crucial continued with one part of the business. And then Elga decided to focus on streamers. And so a lot of the El Gado products are, they make lights, they make stuff for streamers. So the idea is you're a Twitch streamer, you're also doing it live to tape, aren't you? Yeah. And using all, you know, various tools. And then you have these, this, this stream deck. Here's how to use it with OBS Studio. What do you use to, to record it with?

Caller 3 (01:16:39):
It depends upon what the guest wants me to use. It could be Zoom, it could be meet, and it could be instant tele seminar. I think this

Leo Laporte (01:16:45):
Would work, could be number with all of that stuff. So let me show you the,

Mikah Sargent (01:16:48):
You could even create custom automations if they're Yeah. If they're not built in. Yeah. there are some tools that I use with mine that are not like

Leo Laporte (01:16:57):
Python directly scripts. Exactly. The stream deck. Is it the XL that has buttons? What's the new one? It's the, well, there's one with a pedal.

Mikah Sargent (01:17:04):
Fourth one. It's

Leo Laporte (01:17:05):
The fourth stream deck plus sprint's.

Caller 3 (01:17:07):
The pedal. I

Leo Laporte (01:17:07):
Like the pedal. There's one with a pedal. So if, if you wanna, you know, cut off somebody, you can hit the pedal. So this has buttons and, and these are a long kind of a strip. I think this is really it's touch screen too. That strip, this is a, basically a soundboard like you would be on your computer except much more flexible and powerful and not taking up any space on your computer at all.

Caller 3 (01:17:26):
And the ballpark price is,

Leo Laporte (01:17:28):
So this one's 1 99. 99.

Caller 3 (01:17:31):
So then jumping to the idea of using something like a Roader Pro, which has built in the possibility of also having five or six sound buttons on

Leo Laporte (01:17:42):
Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:17:42):
You could use this. It's also a mixer. All

Leo Laporte (01:17:43):
That a, a switcher. Right. yeah. The roader, that's one of the reasons they did that, I think is for people like you. And usually those buttons are like, take two, take three, go to a different camera, that kind of stuff. But presumably you could do a variety of other stuff. I think honestly, a lot of streamers use aams. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> or the road caster. Use a a a, like a tv, small consumer grade TV switcher. Like the, like the one that the guy used on s sctv. And then do that with a stream deck and let the stream deck do the sound and other things. It's really very powerful. It's I'm a big fan of the we've Okay.

Caller 3 (01:18:18):
We used,

Leo Laporte (01:18:19):
Used in all kinds of interesting ways. Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:18:21):
All

Leo Laporte (01:18:22):
Right. Hey, that's cool. It, yeah. Great. And where's your website? So we give you a plug. So people want to do wanna use you,

Caller 3 (01:18:28):
Talk to me guy.com. Talk to me a show this morning. Talk to me. Try not to speak Coffee out your nose. <Laugh> Nice. Talk to me guy.com.

Leo Laporte (01:18:36):
That's such a good name. Talk to me guy.com. You did a show this morning. What was it? Can you tell us what it was?

Caller 3 (01:18:40):
I was talking to somebody about sound technology for healing Nice. With real science. Well, I

Leo Laporte (01:18:45):
Forgot you do a lot of that, don't you? Kind of yeah. Sound. Yeah.

Caller 3 (01:18:47):
Kind of. We could talk about Susan Bratton if you want to be frightened.

Leo Laporte (01:18:50):
Oh, yes. Susan Bratton my college classmate.

Caller 3 (01:18:54):
Oh, she is really hitting it hard in all. She's still alive.

Leo Laporte (01:18:58):
Oh. I guess she probably says Leo Laport. He's still

Caller 3 (01:19:00):
Alive. <Laugh> Ray's still alive. Yeah. No, she's looking, she's alive and she

Leo Laporte (01:19:04):
Was sex educator for a long time. She's

Caller 3 (01:19:08):
Still is. And now she's also gotten to, you know, she's really respected in the world of all the conferences. Not just because she's her blonde, but you know, really become a very intelligent,

Leo Laporte (01:19:18):
I'm trying to remember if she was in my class. I think she was in my class at Yale. I believe she was one of the few who went on to Fame and Fortune.

Caller 3 (01:19:26):
Well, she started out doing interviews in Silicone Valley before it was Silicone Valley. So she was

Leo Laporte (01:19:30):
Silicon or Silicon?

Caller 3 (01:19:32):
Well, silicon in her case.

Leo Laporte (01:19:33):
Okay. Yeah. Well, in her case it might have been silicone. You never know. Yeah. <laugh>.

Caller 3 (01:19:38):
And then she's become an expert, you know, pretty nationwide known. I mean,

Leo Laporte (01:19:42):
She's, she's an intimacy expert, is probably the more appropriate way to describe it. Yeah. but she's famous for her big hats. I don't know. She was

Caller 3 (01:19:50):
Still wear the pants. Yeah. Yes. That's

Leo Laporte (01:19:52):
Great. <Laugh>. Yeah,

Caller 3 (01:19:53):
She's, she's famous in different circles. <Laugh>. But yeah. No, she's really good.

Leo Laporte (01:19:57):
Oh, I think she's the greatest. I really do. She's

Caller 3 (01:20:00):
Really smart. She's, she's really good at learning who the audience is she's talking to and how to talk to

Leo Laporte (01:20:04):
Them. Super smart. Is she up here? She's in Mill Valley. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Cool. When she's not traveling in Mexico or Santa Fe. Yeah, she has a podcast to the Wellness Mama podcast. Yeah. Wellness Mama. Not kidding. I love it. Hey, a pleasure talking to you. Thank you. Welcome to the new show. Old chef guy. My good friend Richard. See at trader Joe's <laugh>. Exactly. Alrighty. Thanks. Bye bye-Bye bye. So it's great. We're getting all the old timers. You know, I gotta do this. I gotta, I gotta bring I gotta bring our coffee guy on he before the show he was trying to ring through and we can't, we, we haven't yet figured out how to accept calls on discord. But we got Chris from Miami on. Now stand back a little bit when he unmutes his mic. <Laugh>. It could be a little loud. Hello, Chris U un Unmute yourself. Finally. I get to see you. I get to see you, Chris. But you gotta I don't see any sound coming from you. You've unmuted, but you need to do something with your system. Some magical thing with your system. It looks like he's using his phone. That's good. He is using his phone. All

Caller 4 (01:21:21):
Right. Well, I'm using my iPad. Oh, there

Leo Laporte (01:21:22):
We, oh. Hello. I recognize that voice. Hello Chris.

Caller 4 (01:21:27):
I'm just saying, sir, how are, oh,

Leo Laporte (01:21:30):
It's,

Caller 4 (01:21:30):
You know what? If I don't say, if I don't say my friends, Mikah might go into a slight meltdown, so I just wanna say hello my friends. I haven't forgotten. Let me see if I can get this. Okay, there you go. You

Leo Laporte (01:21:43):
Just like my mom. You put your thumb on the camera. <Laugh> not the camera where your thumb is.

Caller 4 (01:21:50):
Yeah, I'm in tr I'm in in trouble already.

Leo Laporte (01:21:52):
Huh. This is one of the things that's gonna be great about this show. For the first time ever, we're seeing Chris's smiling face. Welcome. He how, what, show us what kind of day it is in Miami. Is it a nice day in Miami in Paradise?

Caller 4 (01:22:03):
It, it is a nice day in Miami. If I can let's see if I can slum on the camera. My God, man, you know what? Check Apple, Samsung. Here I come.

Leo Laporte (01:22:14):
No, you know, it is a good question. Why do they put on the side the camera, on the side of the iPad?

Caller 4 (01:22:20):
Hang on a minute. I'll go outside. If you turn

Leo Laporte (01:22:22):
It

Caller 4 (01:22:22):
Sideways in the Miami.

Leo Laporte (01:22:24):
Oh, we're going outside. Am I in heaven or am I as as Martin? Mos said, are you in heaven? Well, I, or am I, I

Caller 4 (01:22:31):
Wanna start by saying that I'm in about four cups already on that, and I mis Ms. Kim already, so,

Leo Laporte (01:22:37):
Oh, ice tall Rich tomorrow. Cuz Kim's doing the call screening on rich On Tech.

Caller 4 (01:22:42):
Hang on a minute, let me get it go.

Leo Laporte (01:22:46):
Well, that's Sun is orange. Oh, that's not the sun. That's your thumb.

Caller 4 (01:22:50):
Okay. No wait. A it's a,

Leo Laporte (01:22:52):
I gotta through a cup of coffee in through the lens. <Laugh>. Oh, look at this. Out on your balcony out there. Balcony. Look at this. These trees. Oh, beautiful. Is that the ocean?

Caller 4 (01:23:10):
Right?

Leo Laporte (01:23:11):
Oh man, you're right by the ocean.

Caller 4 (01:23:13):
I live in north. So that's the bay. That's

Leo Laporte (01:23:15):
The

Caller 4 (01:23:15):
Bay, okay. Yeah. And let me show you, I'm gonna show you over here. So this is, it's very, see if can get out of there's,

Leo Laporte (01:23:24):
See if I can get out of the, there's a skyline in behind

Caller 4 (01:23:25):
Sun

Leo Laporte (01:23:25):
Skyline. That's very cool. So you're North Beach

Caller 4 (01:23:28):
Now Wind is making me North Bay Village.

Leo Laporte (01:23:32):
North Bay Village.

Caller 4 (01:23:33):
Yeah. So yeah, Chris

Leo Laporte (01:23:36):
Is our all around coffee achiever and we love him dearly. And I'm so glad to have you on the Asthe Tech Guys show. You know, Chris? Of

Caller 4 (01:23:45):
Course. Now. Okay, so Miami Beach is right over there across the bay. When you see the cars travel, Miami Beach is right over there. Okay. so now if you go in this direction here, right over there, the bridge, which brings you right over to that area there, that'll bring you over to Miami Beach. But this is the Bay. So I get, a lot of times I'll get Leola for coming through here with his yacht. Yeah. And he'll come in through this

Leo Laporte (01:24:08):
Area here. That's where my yacht, this new Hydrofoil yacht. Yeah, yeah,

Caller 4 (01:24:11):
Yeah. Basically the hydrofoil. Yeah. So

Leo Laporte (01:24:14):
Basically, I wanna get that. I like that. I wanna get that. I wouldn't get seasick. So every time you say Miami Beach, I don't know if you're old enough, I know Mikah is not. Do you remember the Jackie Gleason show?

Caller 4 (01:24:26):
That was before my time. Jackie. Even before your time,

Leo Laporte (01:24:29):
John remembers it from Miami Beach and they would do a helicopter shot of Miami Beach. Yes. It's the Jackie Gleason show. And then he would come on stage and he always had a teacup and, and he would always go, he would always sip it and they'd go, no. <Laugh> implying that it was more than tea in that tea cup. Maybe it was coffee, it was booze. I don't know. Okay. I think it was booze. He was a famous drinker. Jackie Gleason was Jackie Gleason. People do probably remember the Honeymooners Boy. He was the star of the

Caller 4 (01:25:05):
Honeymooners. Yeah, I remember the, I remember the honeymoon.

Leo Laporte (01:25:07):
Yeah. And then he had a, then he had a variety show later from Miami Beach. Chris, did you, I mean, it's great to see you. We could just chat, but but do you have a question? Yeah. Now that you're in our star gate,

Caller 4 (01:25:18):
I'm, I'm in the, I'm in the Star Gate. Well, you know what, scooter re always a party. And, and he said to me, he said, you know, Chris, he said, in the Discord, you should be able to see live. And I said, I haven't been able to see live for a while in there on any of my devices. Oh. So I can't even watch it through there. It's on the sidebar, but it's missing. It's missing. It's missing. And you know me, if anybody's gonna find it, I'm gonna find it. But it is missing. So I don't, I don't know where it is. It is missing. It's

Leo Laporte (01:25:43):
A puzzle. It's a puzzle. It's a puzzle Wrapped in a riddle. Wrapped in an enigma. So how do I get the live video of Asthe Tech guy? So look at my discord here. I think this, this is, this is the same as yours. You see, here's the chat remain.

Caller 4 (01:26:00):
Yeah, I don't see any of that. Yeah. No.

Leo Laporte (01:26:02):
Oh, you don't see any, you don't see the sidebar?

Caller 4 (01:26:05):
No. If you can see, can you see my phone?

Leo Laporte (01:26:07):
Yeah. You see? Yeah. So you need the sidebar and then un So in the, what we do is we move the show up into the live section.

Caller 4 (01:26:17):
You see, I don't, I don't have

Leo Laporte (01:26:19):
Oh,

Caller 4 (01:26:19):
That's

Leo Laporte (01:26:20):
Not okay. Okay. Scroll down a little bit on that.

Mikah Sargent (01:26:23):
Not server. Not the server. Yeah. It doesn't look like you're logged in. He's

Leo Laporte (01:26:27):
Not not the server. You're not in our

Caller 4 (01:26:28):
Server. I am logged in it

Mikah Sargent (01:26:29):
In I'm just showing you direct messages

Leo Laporte (01:26:31):
Though. Yeah. I think if you scroll down no, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Click the the thing on the button on the, this is what I do with my mom too. Yeah. Click the button on the bottom left. <Laugh>

Caller 4 (01:26:43):
Talk to mom.

Leo Laporte (01:26:44):
Oh, Chris, you're my mother weekend. Yeah. My mother. My gra Wait a though, you're my

Caller 4 (01:26:49):
Mother. Mom now

Leo Laporte (01:26:50):
Mom,

Caller 4 (01:26:50):
Moms a party on the call. I miss her bringing on the show. She

Leo Laporte (01:26:53):
Bring back on. I I'm gonna tell a story after, after this call. Explain cuz I figured out a way to get mom on the show. Oh good. I miss mom. I miss mom too. Yeah. And I said, mom, they wanna see you. And she said, oh no, I'm too old. And I said, you're 90 mom. Nobody expects that you would look like, you know, Susan Bratton, you're we're, you're 90 and we love you. And so we'll get her on, I promise. So Chris show my screen real quickly. Or maybe I have that button here somewhere. There you go. What you're gonna, what you need to do is get to that part where you see the Club Twit logo. That means you're in our I

Caller 4 (01:27:25):
Know it used to be there. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:27:26):
Yeah. It used to be there when you, it's there, you just in the way. And then right under as the Tech Guys, which is the current show. You see this live stream when you click that, now get ready cuz this is gonna give, this is gonna give you a kind of psychedelic view of the, there is the live stream popping up. And the live stream of course is the livestream. Is the livestream over and over and over and over again.

Caller 4 (01:27:46):
I think mine's broken. I gotta contact them because before the last time I had

Leo Laporte (01:27:50):
Help me, my this card is broken. Are you

Mikah Sargent (01:27:53):
Using Yeah. An iPhone or an Android device?

Caller 4 (01:27:55):
Well, I, I just updated my iPhone, so I'm using iPhone. So my

Leo Laporte (01:27:59):
Screen. So we can, we can, we can. So you're something like this except you're in dark mode. Yes. And you see on the left there all those silly little icons.

Caller 4 (01:28:07):
Yeah. I had all this one of

Leo Laporte (01:28:09):
The Never

Mikah Sargent (01:28:10):
Have a plus button though. Is there a plus button? Yes. Hit the plus button. Yes. Yes.

Caller 4 (01:28:14):
Yep.

Mikah Sargent (01:28:14):
And then you're gonna add Club Twit

Caller 4 (01:28:17):
Where Korea Community Gaming School Club. Study Group

Leo Laporte (01:28:21):
Friends. So that, so that you're using is not yet logged into Exactly Club not logged into club Twitter. So you need to log into Club Twit. You're a member of the club. We know that. So the link that he sent you, that is the link to Discord. You click that. A lot of people have trouble getting into Discord. This is probably the number one help question we get.

Caller 4 (01:28:39):
Chris, I don't like having problems like this because you know what, I look at it like this. It's sort of like cash flow. I do things being expensive or, or anything. If I, if I can get it, I can get it. If I can't get it, I put it on the whiteboard. It's just, I don't like to think about the fact that I like to be an achiever. I like to always think that I can always obtain anything I want. Sometimes it takes a little longer, sometimes it happens a little bit quicker. But for me to not know how to do this puts me into two more cups and a meltdown. Cause I shouldn't be able to do it. Two

Leo Laporte (01:29:09):
More cup. No, no, don't Meltdown. Yes.

Mikah Sargent (01:29:10):
This is not your fault. I'm going to help you. This is, you're gonna solve it today. I promise you. You're gonna launch.

Caller 4 (01:29:15):
How many times have I reached out to you to contact you and you're over there in California having coffee, walking the dog.

Leo Laporte (01:29:21):
I talked to you last night on Discord. Chris.

Caller 4 (01:29:24):
Not you, not you, not

Mikah Sargent (01:29:26):
You. Oh, I don't respond to anybody.

Leo Laporte (01:29:27):
Yeah, I know you don't. I

Mikah Sargent (01:29:28):
Took the Steve Gibson method.

Leo Laporte (01:29:30):
Yeah, well, Chris Saidoh, he said, are you getting my messages? And I said, Chris, you gotta understand. I get a lot of direct messages. I'm sure you gave them more. That's why don't, and I I don't read them. Occasionally I'll see them and I did see yours and I did respond. We had a nice conversation.

Caller 4 (01:29:43):
We had a great conversation. Yeah. You're always somebody I wanna to talk to forever. You. Well, you know what, I, I finally got to see the Twitter 2023 live with you and Lisa. Yeah. And Aunt Pruit and I couldn't get in on that and I was really upset about that a little bit. So I went ahead more coffee. But I, I gotta tell you, can I

Leo Laporte (01:30:02):
Tell you Chris, drinking coffee may not be the best way <laugh> to soothe your frazzled nerves. I'm just saying.

Caller 4 (01:30:08):
Then I'll have a kombucha. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:30:10):
Yeah, that's what I do. Oh, you make just switch. Sure. Love kombucha. Is that yours?

Caller 4 (01:30:14):
Yeah, I always, yeah, I always buy, but that's not mine. That belonged to Gt day. But this is my shirt. I mean, he sent me a shirt. I buy his products of This

Leo Laporte (01:30:21):
Is

Mikah Sargent (01:30:21):
My shirt. I didn't steal this shirt.

Leo Laporte (01:30:22):
It's your shirt. I didn't steal the shirt.

Caller 4 (01:30:24):
Shirt. I didn't. So, but I support everything. I'm, I'm gonna be going full year, full throttle on thank you. Thank you. On the Discord. I'm gonna be paying you. We'll you 99 a month for your show.

Leo Laporte (01:30:36):
Well, you don't have to do both. If you've got paying seven bucks is all we ask. All we ask. Well,

Caller 4 (01:30:41):
I wanna pay more. No, no. I pay $84 a year. Isn't it $84

Leo Laporte (01:30:44):
A year? Yeah, you have can do 84. You don't have to pay any $3. Nothing. You, the 80, the 84 bucks for a whole year will get you everything. And it's the full package

Caller 4 (01:30:52):
I wanna support, you know, like so many people, I mean, I listened to you and Lisa yesterday and I'm like, you know what? I shared that with like 50 people already and I got another 50 people and it's like, I just feel that, you know, so many people talk about this and you know, you and Lisa completely crushed it. And it's just that, you know, we have a great IRC chat room. We're, you know, amazing people in there. We have a great team here at twit. You really started something. You really did. But TWIT is very unique and we don't wanna, and it's also very fragile. We don't wanna lose the twit ecosystem. We have a twit family here. It's amazing. I agree. So we don't, everybody else out there with their multi-billion dollar game, you know, their big football games and their sponsors and whatever, <laugh> and that's, that's magical.

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I'm happy for you. Let me make you a full cut. But we don't have to be very big. What we have here is very, very, very unique here at twit. And I think we're very, and the way the world is going now and the way things are going in tech, I think that we're very gifted and very lucky to have you and Lisa. And I'm not saying that the blow you up to you head, you can't walk outta the room or anything. But this is like, a lot of people say this is a very unique and a very different network than others that are out on the planet.

Leo Laporte (01:32:00):
So, and I know you support others, you, you, you do patriot for other people and you support them and I appreciate that. Yeah. I think that the people who support creators are special. They're a small percentage of the overall audience. That's fine. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But I, I'm very grateful. Chris, I'm gonna move on cuz you gave me a Yes. You are an entry Yeah. Into giving us little plug. Thank you Chris. Michael. Michael will help you Yeah. Get this working.

Mikah Sargent (01:32:25):
Actually, this is a great question for anyone. I can I I can answer it. Yeah, please. So it's five seconds please. Anyone who is a member of Club Twit who wants to know how to get in the Discord Yes. On your phone Yes. Or whatever device you're using that has the app of Discord on it. So Chris is gonna use his phone, he's gonna go to twit.tv/club twit. Yes. He's there. He's logged in. Yes. And here on the side there's a button connect to Discord. You click that button, it's gonna open in the Discord app, you're gonna say yes. And then boom, you're back in the club. Twit Discord. Chris, I expect a message from you in Discord, <laugh>, because you're gonna get on there in the next five seconds.

Leo Laporte (01:32:56):
And if you're not a member of Club Twit, that is a really big way to help us do this and everything else we do. Club Twit is, as Chris said, $84 for a year, $7 a month, a dollar less than blue check on Twitter. Although noticed Elon added an $84 a year plan. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (01:33:12):
Where to get that? I

Leo Laporte (01:33:13):
You probably got the I know where you got that. I, so what it does is it really helps us do a lot more. For instance, we do a Hands-on Macintosh show with Mikah. That's club only. We did that inside TWI for the club. Yeah. was it yesterday or the day before with Lisa and me. We have the HandsOn windows with Paul Throt, the Untitled Linux Show. There's a lot of stuff that we do. And of course our great club manager is here in studio with us as he, as he often is Aunt Pruitt. We love him. He puts together a lot of great events. It's a, it's a fun place to be. So fun. You get the discord, you get ad free versions of all of our shows, so you wouldn't even be hearing this plug. And you get a Twit plus feed, which has stuff that, you know, hits the, the the cutting room floor.

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 We're gonna do some special events. For instance, Daniel Suarez is coming up in a couple of weeks. We'll talk about his new book. We'll do that in the club and then later make it a show. It lets us launch new shows like this week in space, which the club paid for the launch of. But once we started getting an audience and getting advertisers, we are now doing it in public for everybody. In fact, we're gonna add video to that show Lisa announced on our inside twit, which is good news sometime soon. So twit do go to the website, twit.tv/club twit sign up. It's a really, a great way to support it. We're not like the radio network where we have, you know, 500 affiliates paying money for the show and, and in 19 ads an hour, <laugh>. Right?

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Caller 5 (01:39:38):
Yes I can. Yeah. Hey. Hi.

Leo Laporte (01:39:39):
It's working. I'll, I'll, I'll tell you what I was gonna tell you in a second. Welcome. Where are you calling from?

Caller 5 (01:39:45):
Just outside of Portland, Oregon. Mm.

Leo Laporte (01:39:46):
Oh, nice. It's pretty country. Are you in, out in the woods?

Caller 5 (01:39:51):
No. No. I am, I'm definitely in, in the suburbs zone. Okay. Beaverton area, Beaverton

Leo Laporte (01:39:56):
Southwest. Sure. Know the area very well. In fact s aunt's son is in school up there. Right. Is he in Beaverton? Where is he? He's

Caller 5 (01:40:03):
In Forest

Leo Laporte (01:40:04):
Grove. Forest Grove in Portland

Caller 5 (01:40:05):
Right now. He just finished running his 200

Leo Laporte (01:40:07):
Meter dash Oh, he's in Portland. He just was in a track event in Portland. That's awesome. What can we do for you, Aaron?

Caller 5 (01:40:14):
Well it's, I got okay, so the background here is I got an iPad for free. I was very excited because I thought, okay, here's something I can you knows, I can give my four Yearold this iPad and he can paint with it and have, you know, have some fun and just relatively easy to, you know, I don't have to worry about it cuz it's old. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. 

Leo Laporte (01:40:38):
If he breaks it, no big deal. <Laugh>.

Caller 5 (01:40:40):
Well, I mean, kind of you know,

Leo Laporte (01:40:42):
It's funny cause Amazon makes a tablet, a fire tablet for kids that's basically encased in hard rubber Yes. That you can throw. My niece has one <laugh>. They, they make cases like that for iPads. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, that might be be something to look at for a four year old for sure. Anyway, what's your, what's your question? Yeah.

Caller 5 (01:40:56):
Well, I ran into this problem. I, I started, so I, I got the iPad it was factory reset. So I start, you know, trying to set it up and look at all the different settings and get it into a situation where it's good for a four year old. Right. And I, this is, this is an iPad. This is a fourth generation iPad. So this is 2012

Leo Laporte (01:41:16):
Starts still very good. There are a lot of people with 2012 iPads out there. Yes. Very happy. Long time. Yeah.

Caller 5 (01:41:22):
And that's, well, but that's, that's where I started to run into trouble. I find out, for instance, that I can't get to bit warden on this because the browser is a 32 bit browser. Oh. And their website doesn't work. The the app, you know, the bit word and application is too new. I start going through the app store looking for, for apps. Uhhuh, <affirmative> and you know, they all say, oh, well you need I iOS or iPad OS 12 or 13 or 14. Oh, that's, this is stuck on, you know, ten ten three.

Leo Laporte (01:41:53):
Oh, that's too bad.

Mikah Sargent (01:41:54):
Yeah. You've out outdated.

Caller 5 (01:41:55):
This is kinda my question is, is it, is it worth keeping like the iPad? It works great. It's very, you know, it's very performant. Everything's smooth. But, you know, I, I can, it feels like I can hardly do anything with it.

Leo Laporte (01:42:09):
Can you put for instance, the YouTube kids app on there? That would be a good one for a four year old. I'm guessing Finns and Ferb and stuff like that. <Laugh>. Right. That would be a good choice if that still works.

Mikah Sargent (01:42:22):
Yeah, I'm, I'm thinking about yeah, it's unfortunately, but also fortunately <laugh>, there's, you know, sort of a mixed thing going on here. You do want these developers updating those apps to use the latest features, but also use the latest security technology that's available. So it is a good sign in the sense that, you know, over time they do stop supporting the older platforms. Right. It is tough for you. I think though, if you can, you know, I, I don't know that the toddler needs bit warden per se, <laugh>. So Yeah. It may just not get to be,

Leo Laporte (01:42:56):
Don't put bit warden on there.

Mikah Sargent (01:42:57):
An iPad that will need to be sort more of a, sort of a more focused iPad as this kind of tosser around.

Leo Laporte (01:43:03):
By the way, this is a perennial question. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, we were talking about Windows eight. Yeah. and I got a lot of emails from people saying, why can't I use Windows eight? I'm mad at Microsoft. The computer's perfectly good. But Microsoft has discontinued 8.1 as of a couple of weeks ago. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And so you're not getting security updates. And this is a real problem in technology. Same thing with Chromebooks. After a few years, a perfectly good Chromebook is no longer usable because it's usable, but no longer safety use cuz Google isn't updating it anymore. And then what happens is the browsers stop getting updated. Once the browsers stop getting updated, it really becomes kind of unusable. Cause sites won't let you on. There's all sorts of issues. And, and we don't need more of these in the landfill. It's really a shame on a pc. You could put Linux on it. There's not much you can do with, with an iPad. I think though, for your four year old, that iPad should be just fine. And as you say, no harm, no foul. He, you know, accidentally breaks it. What there is a setting, and actually I want to, I want you to show me this. Oh,

Mikah Sargent (01:44:07):
Guided access to

Leo Laporte (01:44:07):
Put this so the kid can't get out of the mode that he's in. So this is my iPad mini, which I really like, by the way. It's a really nice little

Mikah Sargent (01:44:17):
For anyone who is using one of these devices. I have a tip for you. Cause you'll have someone who knows what they're doing, tell you. Okay. Go to the screen and sometimes it can be hard to find if you scroll down a little bit on the left side of the screen.

Leo Laporte (01:44:31):
Yours doesn't look by the way, like this Aaron, cuz you have an older one. This is older. This is iOS

Mikah Sargent (01:44:34):
16. Right. But you should

Leo Laporte (01:44:37):
It's the same idea.

Mikah Sargent (01:44:38):
A search function. And so you'll see that I just tapped g i to start to find guided access, but I'm gonna show you how to get to it as if you don't have this just in case. So, but that's the

Leo Laporte (01:44:47):
Quick way.

Mikah Sargent (01:44:48):
That's the quick way Exactly. Search. So we'll scroll down until we find accessibility and then we will scroll down in the accessibility menu until we come across Guided Access, which is under general and guided access is on, on this iPad. Now what happens is with guided access, it lets you lock things to a specific app. And once that is locked to that specific app, whichever one it happens to be, it will stay on that app. Like,

Leo Laporte (01:45:15):
Like YouTube kids?

Mikah Sargent (01:45:16):
Yes. Like YouTube kids. Yeah. and so the way that you turn it on, on this iPad, it's different depending on what device you're using, is by triple tapping the top button and going to the app that you want to use. So let's say settings is the app that I want to use. I'm just going to tap the button on the side three times 1, 2, 3. And then it will lock it to, or it should have locked it. I wonder if settings is just not one that you can do. And it's also possible because we're airplane that it won't let you

Leo Laporte (01:45:43):
Oh. It might not let you do accessibility cuz we're airplane. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably it.

Mikah Sargent (01:45:47):
So that's how it does. But once it's like that, then you've got a passcode that you set that will you,

Leo Laporte (01:45:54):
So the four

Mikah Sargent (01:45:54):
Year old able to get outta might

Leo Laporte (01:45:56):
Observe you doing 1, 2, 3 <laugh>. Yes. The four-year-olds are smart and might figure that out, but he won't know the passcode. Exactly. So well,

Caller 5 (01:46:04):
I'll tell you one thing. My I, I used to do this with my phone, so, you know, he could sit in the mic, look through Yeah. Photos. Oh good. He hated it. It was so annoying to him. He, he, he wanted to get out of the the guided access so he could look at other applications. It's kind of amazing. And this was when he was three.

Leo Laporte (01:46:20):
It's kind of amazing,

Mikah Sargent (01:46:22):
Smart that

Leo Laporte (01:46:23):
You give these devices to kids who are bare. They're not literate. They, they just learned how to talk. But no problem. They're zooming around, they're launching apps. They're saying, dad, I want Netflix. I mean, it's

Mikah Sargent (01:46:35):
Amazing. My mom sent me a video quite literally yesterday of my niece ma doing a puzzle on an iPad. On on a tablet, dragging

Leo Laporte (01:46:43):
On a tab.

Mikah Sargent (01:46:43):
Dragging the pieces, dragging the pieces in. Yeah. Knowing what she was doing. And I'm going, I'm, I don't understand. That's so cool. So cool. So

Leo Laporte (01:46:49):
He doesn't like kaus. That's hysterical.

Mikah Sargent (01:46:52):
Let

Caller 5 (01:46:52):
Me, let me, lemme me ask the, the dangerous follow up question, which I feel like if this were the radio show, you wouldn't want to reveal this to the millions of, of Techna listeners, but I don't know to do Is it worth,

Mikah Sargent (01:47:07):
Oh, don't say it. Is it worth jail break? Word? I knew he say jail

Caller 5 (01:47:11):
<Laugh>,

Leo Laporte (01:47:12):
You can't really, I mean, you don't, you can't really jail break it very effectively. I think. Okay. I mean I I jailbreaking on an iOS device is a world apart from jail, breaking an Android device. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> an Android device, getting root, which is what you're doing, is usually allowed and is usually harmless. It, it has to, on an iOS device, you have to use a security flaw, an exploit to get in. Those are always being patched. So it's, it's a moving target. It makes the thing much more janky. And if you think you couldn't use your browser, will you jail break the thing? Cuz there's so much stuff on the on the iPad that will say, well wait, you can't, like, you can't use me. You're not in a secure state

Mikah Sargent (01:47:59):
Anymore. Right. And there's just so much. I I don't, I wouldn't trust that then this device.

Leo Laporte (01:48:04):
Yeah. Who is making this jail break?

Mikah Sargent (01:48:06):
Who's making the jail break? What about the app store that you're downloading from? It's this third party app store. How can you know if apps let, lemme ask the chat room

Leo Laporte (01:48:13):
Work though. Is, is, how many of you have jailbroken an iPad? Is there anybody in there who's who's done that? Cuz I don't, I mean, I know you can do that with a phone. I've, I don't know. I've never seen it. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (01:48:25):
I guess I haven't really seen it on an iPad.

Leo Laporte (01:48:27):
You done an iPad,

Mikah Sargent (01:48:28):
I imagine before the separation of iOS and I iPad os back when everything ran iOS. It may have been. We're getting one.

Leo Laporte (01:48:37):
Mike and Cams, who's in the, the UK says me. Me. I have so <laugh>. So Mike, tell us a little bit, he's gonna have to type into our irc chat, irc, Twitter, that tv. But tell us a little bit about, oh, you did it on an iPhone. Yeah. A lot of, I, I don't know why I, I don't see any reason why you couldn't jail break an

Mikah Sargent (01:48:57):
Ipad. If there's currently an exploit available

Leo Laporte (01:48:59):
To me, there may not be. And that's part of the thing. You know, what I would do, honestly if I were you is is get a cheap mm-hmm. <Affirmative> fire tablet. They're

Mikah Sargent (01:49:08):
Not expensive at Atall. And they are more purpose-built for that. And as you've pointed out, <laugh>, they,

Leo Laporte (01:49:17):
They're crappy, but if, but they're fine for a, a four

Mikah Sargent (01:49:19):
Year old to keep the child Yeah, yeah. From breaking it.

Leo Laporte (01:49:23):
Yeah. you know, let me, lemme just see Fire Tablet for kids if they still sell that. And by the way, I think they had, as I remember on this, I guarantee that if the kid broke it, they'd give you a new one. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So Yeah, they still, they still sell it. Oh, currently unavailable. Oh, too bad. Oh, I wonder, let me see if I could find another one. But you see how it's encased in that rubber? And the thing is, most of the stuff, they even have an interface. Four kids. It really is a kid's tablet. It's much more suited. And it was a hundred bucks, I think. Let me see if they still sell. Yeah, they do. Here's here's the new one, I guess which is $129. It includes a a year subscription to Amazon Kids Plus actually this is a lot better. This is double the amount of memory. It's 32 gigs of storage. It came out last year. So this is the latest model. And if your kid doesn't like purple, although if you like Barney, you must like purple. You can also get it in Blue <laugh> and Red Red be easier to find and see. I mean, I just think don't

Mikah Sargent (01:50:24):
Know if it'll work with Bit Warden

Leo Laporte (01:50:26):
Though. No, don't put bit, don't put Bit Warden on it. <Laugh>.

Caller 5 (01:50:29):
I mean, that, that's a, it's a, it's a real, it's a real issue with, with Bit Warden because you know, I had the Apple says, well sign into the app store, sign into your account. Got it. And then when you wanna download something, sign in your password. I Oh, I see. 55.

Leo Laporte (01:50:42):
Yeah. I see characters

Caller 5 (01:50:43):
Randomized from Bit Warden Good man. And I have no way to copy that <laugh>. Yeah. So, you know, I'm just bringing up on my desktop. And then can he

Leo Laporte (01:50:51):
Use Continuity to put it on a Mac, copy it into the clipboard of the Mac and then paste it on the iPad?

Mikah Sargent (01:50:56):
Yes, but you have to be logged into your Apple ID first. So if the iPad is

Leo Laporte (01:51:01):
Not logged in <laugh>, of

Mikah Sargent (01:51:02):
Course you do. Then it won't let you do that.

Leo Laporte (01:51:04):
You know what I do? I have an Apple ID I can remember and type. It's long, but it's not completely random. It's something I, it's that I wonder

Mikah Sargent (01:51:11):
About using Bit Warden in the would you weren't even able to use Bit Warden in Safari in the browser?

Caller 5 (01:51:16):
It it won't, it won't load. Got it. I went and asked, there was a, there's an bug, not an open bug. It's, you know, the, it's not a bug. They said it had something to do with the difference between 32 bit and 64 bit browser, but, got it. You know, whatever the reason. How

Leo Laporte (01:51:32):
About airdrop? I think

Mikah Sargent (01:51:33):
You'd have the same, I was about to suggest airdrop. No, you can do airdrop. Even if you're not logged into an iCloud account, it'll just show that it's an iPad. It won't say

Leo Laporte (01:51:42):
Okay. So

Mikah Sargent (01:51:42):
Airdrop it over. Yeah. So you could airdrop it over. And I think if it's text, it'll open it in the notes app by default. But I don't quite recall where the text opens. So in any case, yes, you could airdrop it over.

Leo Laporte (01:51:57):
It's an interesting conundrum.

Caller 5 (01:52:00):
Yeah. <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:52:00):
Yeah, of course. In a couple of years he's gonna get his own iPhone. So <laugh> No, I'm just kidding. Don't get him an iPhone. Oh, well I think these actually, these fire tablets are probably a pretty good choice. Does your niece have

Mikah Sargent (01:52:12):
One? That's what my niece got for just this last Christmas. Yeah. And she loves it. And she Exactly. <Laugh>, when she can't get the puzzle solved, she can check it across the room and everything's fine.

Leo Laporte (01:52:21):
<Laugh>, I I'm trying to see if they still offer that guarantee. I they must have lost their shirts on

Mikah Sargent (01:52:25):
That. Well, it says something there with a guarantee. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:52:27):
Used to say Oh yeah. Two year worry WorryFree guarantee if it breaks, return it, we'll replace it for free. So if the kid drops it or throws it, herbs up on it get a new one. It's pretty, you know, these are, these aren't great tablets. You wouldn't want to use this for productivity for anything. Anything. Right. It is very locked down too. Yeah, it is. I mean with good reason. Yeah. But it has all the kid content. And the thing is, I think as smart as he is, he's not gonna say, oh, I want to get behind this to Well, the good stuff right. There is no good stuff. <Laugh>. Yeah. This is what you get kid. That's all you get. He's gonna, then he is gonna steal your phone. <Laugh>. Hey, it's a real pleasure to talk to you. Thank you so much for calling. I hope you have a great day. Yeah, thank you so much up there in a beautiful Oregon. And we will get you back soon. Okay. Thanks Aaron. Thank you.

Caller 5 (01:53:18):
You Thank

Leo Laporte (01:53:18):
You. Take care. Take care. Bye-Bye. Okay. I have to push this button and then that button, and then this button and this button. Move them. I move. I have to move you twice, which is an interesting, should I take another call? One more call. I see Bob's hand raised. Let's see if I see Bob. I see Bob. Bob, I'm moving you in. You're gonna get a invite. Click. Okay, Bob. Hey Bob. A Reba.

Caller 6 (01:53:48):
Hello.

Leo Laporte (01:53:49):
Welcome. Where are you calling from?

Caller 6 (01:53:52):
I am calling from Pearl River New York.

Leo Laporte (01:53:54):
Oh, whereabouts is that?

Caller 6 (01:53:57):
So that's, it's up the Hudson River from New York City.

Leo Laporte (01:54:00):
Oh, nice.

Caller 6 (01:54:01):
About 20 miles up the river. Oh. Right near the Tapping Z Bridge, if you're familiar with Yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:54:06):
I know the Tappen Z Bridge. Yeah. Yeah. Very well. What can we do for you, Bob?

Caller 6 (01:54:11):
So I spent a lot of time fortifying my home network put in a PF sense firewall. Nice. and one of the net gate 1100 s devices,

Leo Laporte (01:54:22):
Steve, Steve Gibson recommended and approved. Yep. Yep.

Caller 6 (01:54:25):
There very good choice. That's where I got the idea. Yep. And I, and I broke it out into multiple VLANs. And I think I've, you know, kind of gone as far as I have to, but when you start looking at Psen and the packages that they run, do I need any other packages? And that's an interesting question. Yeah. Or am I just going down the rabbit hole? I wouldn't of trying to

Leo Laporte (01:54:48):
Fortify. I wouldn't. So this is the hardware he's talking about. It's very inexpensive. Steve uses this. It is instead of a router, basically it's a security gateway. 189 bucks for this one. You use the 1100, right?

Caller 6 (01:55:02):
Correct.

Leo Laporte (01:55:02):
Yeah. And it's got PF cents built in there. So you pf Sense is a very powerful router, firewall software package open source. It does have a lot of plug-ins. I wouldn't worry about intrusion detection unless you are, you know this is just for your home, right?

Caller 6 (01:55:20):
Yeah, this is just from my home. You know, I was actually looking at the open canary. 

Leo Laporte (01:55:24):
Well that's cool. Yeah. That's really cool. From our folks, from our from they're still a sponsor. Thanks.

Caller 6 (01:55:30):
Okay, good. Good. So I know Open Canary's there and I'm gonna do that whenever the raspberry pies come back out. Nice. Nice. In production. And kind of, I think that's the last piece then the,

Leo Laporte (01:55:41):
I think you're more for a home user, you're really locked down. I think that's really good. Pf sense is fantastic, as, as I said, Steve's has been recommending this for a couple of years now. It's what he uses. If it's good enough for Steve Gibson, I'll ask him on Tuesday on security now if he uses any plug-ins. But I'm, I'm willing to bet he doesn't. And here's the problem. When you start adding plug-ins, first of all, you're protecting, it's something that's probably not an issue for you. Right? Right. But second, you're adding something now that you have to also monitor and keep an eye on. And the mo you know, this is kind of my rule of thumb for any device, only install the stuff you absolutely want. Almost all of us, because we like shiny and new mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. Right. Install far too many apps.

(01:56:28):
Yes. Just play with all sorts of stuff. You know, look at your phone. How many apps do you have that you don't even know what they do? The two raspberry pies I have that running All this stuff that everything you add reduces security, every single thing. Because every piece of software is buggy security software is almost even worse because to do a good job, it has to be really hooked into your, you know, network. You know, that pf sense controls everything. A flaw in pf sense would be a bad thing. So any, any plugin you add also reduces your security as much, maybe as much or more as it increases it. Unless, you know, I gotta have intrusion detection, I have to have deep packing inspection, I have to have some feature. I would say stay. You don't need it. The pf sense just by itself does a fantastic job. It's a really great router.

Caller 6 (01:57:18):
Okay. Well that, that, that just helps. And

Leo Laporte (01:57:20):
I'm impressed. Yeah. You're obviously pretty sophisticated to mm-hmm. <Affirmative> to have that all set up. Do you have a lot of, how many devices do you have in your home network? Do you know?

Caller 6 (01:57:29):
Yeah, so, so the reason I got down this into this configuration was I have two old Cisco voiceover IP phones that I don't know aren't supported anymore. So I wanted to put them on their own vlan Sure. That kind of segment them out. Yep. and once I went down that path, I decided to go all in. But total devices probably 30.

Leo Laporte (01:57:51):
Oh, that's nothing in the

Caller 6 (01:57:53):
Whole house.

Leo Laporte (01:57:53):
<Laugh>.

Caller 6 (01:57:53):
Yeah. But, but unlike, unlike you, Leo, I'm not about, I don't, I'm not a real fan of home automation devices listening and everything else. Look

Leo Laporte (01:58:02):
What I just, I do have, I just said don't install more stuff than you need. Yeah. <laugh> and I have close to a hundred devices in my house. Right. Yeah. Right. You know, I mean, I'm, I'm the wrong guy for that. You, you're smart. Nice to say. Not as we do. Yeah. okay. Yeah. I th and I, that's actually a very good reason to install one of these devices. It's a, some, some consumer grade routers will do this, but doing what you did, creating a virtual law lar what is Lance Local local area network. Creating a virtual local area network is a great way of, and Steve talked about this also isolating devices that you're not sure are secure. For instance, Steve and I, you know, I, I knock myself for doing too much stuff. He bought some off brand Chinese light switch home home automation to test Right.

(01:58:51):
Not to test to use. Oh, what? And I thought Steve <laugh>, that seems unlike him, Steve, that's not a good idea. But what he did is he put it on his own virtual local area network vlan and isolated it so that it, even if it did get compromised, which by the way the likelihood is high <laugh>, the bad guy couldn't get from it into his network. And that's what a VLAN does. It puts up a barrier. There's a negative to doing that. You probably already aware of what I'm gonna say. Cuz the problem is packets can't get out. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, but they can't get in either. So you kind of set up a situation. If you have a, for instance, if you have lights that you want to turn on from your phone, and your phone is on one segment and the lights on another segment, <laugh>, you have to now write complicated rules that say, okay, this traffic, but not that tra it gets it. It's, you've gone down a rabbit hole and you, you, you know what,

Caller 6 (01:59:46):
And, and I, I have that with airplay where I end up bringing whatever device over to the same you're

Leo Laporte (01:59:51):
Doing. So I feel really guilty, but I put all my printers on the main network. I put all Yeah. Because it's, I, I tell Lisa, okay, we have our our VLANs are named after Japanese movie monsters. So I say, no, you can't be on Mothra. You have to be on Godzilla if you wanna print. And, and it's just too confusing. Only Godzilla can prints, only Godzilla can print <laugh>. And it just gets, and then of course you've got all the echoes and the Google things, and ooh, those are on those for the most part can be on a vlan because they don't, in fact, this is a good way to control those lights. If you put the lights and the echo on the, on the segmented priv, you know, Iott network, they can control each other and you control them with a voice. So that's one way to solve that. But you could see, you know what I'm talking about. It gets very crazy

Caller 6 (02:00:44):
Complicated. So I, so I'll, I'll stop while I'm ahead,

Leo Laporte (02:00:46):
<Laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. That's that good short answer. Stop while your head, Bob. That's what you failed to do. Time. You're doing great. Time. <laugh> is the Hudson. Beautiful. When you get that, you're not far enough north for the really beautiful part of the Hudson River Valley yet, are you?

Caller 6 (02:01:00):
No, we're, we're just shy of where it gets really pretty up

Leo Laporte (02:01:04):
There. It's such a pretty area up there. My, my my daughter went to school at Bard up by Poughkeepsie, and it's one of my most favorite areas of the country is this Hudson River Valley. It's so beautiful. So beautiful. All

Caller 6 (02:01:16):
Right. Well, thank you for, for getting me on and answering

Leo Laporte (02:01:18):
My questions. Hey, really appreciate you calling joining. Thank you, Bob. It's really great to to have you again. We're using Zoom. It's weird. Call TWIT tv please. If you do it like Bob did with your phone, it's more likely to work. Yes. The angles are weird. We know that. But but it does seem, but it does. Yeah. I mean, what, there were three people that

Mikah Sargent (02:01:38):
Called with their phone and we were able to hear all of them without

Leo Laporte (02:01:41):
An issue. I was gonna talk about, Chris asked about mom. My mother lives in Rhode Island, 90 years old. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, she's a character and a half mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. And I want to get her on the show. She's gonna, it's, she's finding it harder and harder to use the iPad. Okay. So I got her the Amazon Echo Show, and I got my sister, who lives a few blocks away, a show mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. And I got a show, and now she can say, call my son Nice and without, with her voice only, and get a picture of me and I get a picture of her. We've, it's a little more complicated than that because you have to add to the contact and stuff, but it's really a great way to do this. And I had forgotten that a couple of years ago, maybe last year, Amazon introduced this crazy new kind of echo that follows you around. Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh,

Mikah Sargent (02:02:34):
Yes, yes, yes, yes. So it is an echo show of a sort, but it has a pan swiveled picture in it. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:02:41):
And I thought, well, this might be kind of interesting because you know what, mom put it near her bed because she does, she's not real mobile. She can go back and forth to the bathroom in the kitchen mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. But it's easier for her if she can just call me from bed being 90 years old. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And and, and then I thought, well, what if I get her <laugh> this echo show that swivels around and follows her, and it creeped her the hell out. So I get <laugh> Aw <laugh> because, and it's creeping me out. Let me see here it is. The the Echo show at tennis, first of all, it's very expensive. It's much more than a regular echo show. It's almost twice as much because it, it it swivels, but, you know, I might bring it in. It's

Mikah Sargent (02:03:23):
Got great

Leo Laporte (02:03:24):
Audio channel. The sound is, oh, you know about this mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. So do you have one? No, it does. I'm gonna bring it in and we can play with it a little bit. I have it in the kitchen, but it's freaking me out.

Mikah Sargent (02:03:34):
<Laugh>.

Leo Laporte (02:03:36):
But then you don't have the problem of thumb on the camera or even worrying about where the camera is. It's kind of in a, in a good place. It's a little bit in the corner, but it's, it's still there. It's, I told her how to switch the camera off so she doesn't feel

Mikah Sargent (02:03:48):
Weird. Yeah. I do like that physical, physical slide. That's

Leo Laporte (02:03:50):
Good slide. And what I did for her, which, you know, I'm not recommending this necessarily, but I bought it and it, and unless you say otherwise, it's set up for my Amazon account. One of the problems I didn't want to go through was for her to remember her Amazon password and get her logged in. And so what I said is, mom, do this. And I will configure it and it will have pictures of the grandkids and I can update it automatically. So my Amazon, yes. Oh, that's great. And you have per device settings for your photos. Uhhuh <affirmative>. So I chose for her a photo album. It gets automatically updated to the grandkids kids. And I think she's really, she doesn't, I don't think she got it yet, that there's a photo slideshow in there, but I think that that's gonna be kind of fun.

(02:04:32):
Yeah. And, and no more thumbs. So what we're gonna do is I'm gonna bring this in, I'm a warn, and then we're gonna call her. Awesome. Okay. And we'll talk to her on the echo so that you can see how it works. Echo has a lot of other useful things for seniors including a monitoring system. Yeah. There's a whole mode. Yeah. So I'm, I'm actually thinking this is gonna be a very good choice for her. I love that. If she, if she falls or feels ill, she can just say out loud in her voice. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, call my sister, my sister's two blocks away. I got her one too, so that she could answer. And she can even monitor mom every once in a while. She can do the drop-in and say, mom, how you you feeling? Okay. Everything going all right. So instead of walking down all the way and and checking in, that's lovely.

(02:05:14):
I'm, I'm, we're gonna do this as a family experiment. We'll share your, the results with you. But so far, she's, she was really happy that she didn't have to hold. Cuz every time I call her, she's, okay, give me 15 minutes. I gotta set up the iPad, iPad, iPad. I gotta do the whole stand. Put it down somewhere. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, I got her a stand and it, when, when I went to visit her, the stand, you have to pry apart, put the iPad in it. And it was too hard for her. Tory apart. Oh. So it was just kind of leaning <laugh>, leaning on stand. Mom, let me, let me put that in there for you. <Laugh>. I wanna do one more add. We're almost done. I think we have time for a call or two more. All right. Okay. Is that all right? Fine by me.

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Caller 7 (02:12:04):
Hey, hey,

Leo Laporte (02:12:05):
Hey. Welcome. Good to see you or hear you. Oh, I didn't see you. Hi. There he is.

Caller 7 (02:12:11):
Hi. Hi, Leo Mikah. Where

Leo Laporte (02:12:13):
Are you calling from? Eric?

Caller 7 (02:12:15):
I'm El Vista, California, which is in northern San Diego County.

Leo Laporte (02:12:19):
I know where Vista is. Very well. So you must have been a, you must have been a K F I listener back in the day.

Caller 7 (02:12:26):
Yes. And I've seen you all the way back to screensavers and cold.

Leo Laporte (02:12:29):
Nice. Oh, that's great. Thank

Caller 7 (02:12:31):
You for I've talked to, I've talked to you before.

Leo Laporte (02:12:34):
Oh, good. Well, well, welcome back. What can I do now? We can see you and hear you. What can we do for you today, Eric?

Caller 7 (02:12:41):
Unfortunately you can see me. <Laugh> <laugh>, I I'm a photographer and I belong to several different other photographers groups. And one of 'em would do weekly photo challenges. Oh, I love that. And they, they would critique the photo and they decided to close down the page. So I offered to take over the page. And so I'm the admin now. I write, tell

Leo Laporte (02:13:10):
Us what the site is. This is great. What's the site?

Caller 7 (02:13:13):
It's on Facebook. It's called your Photographic Journey. Weekly Photo Challenge.

Leo Laporte (02:13:18):
I would go there, but not being a Facebook user. I can't, so say the name again and everybody can write it down.

Caller 7 (02:13:26):
Your Photographic Journey. Weekly photo challenge.

Leo Laporte (02:13:31):
So if I go to Facebook and type your Photographic Journey Weekly challenge in, it'll find that and you can join. Yeah. And then you what, tell me what the challenge is. Give me what's this week's challenge? So I get an idea of what you're looking for.

Caller 7 (02:13:43):
Foreground, mid-ground and background. Ah,

Leo Laporte (02:13:46):
So you're playing with depth of field or,

Caller 7 (02:13:49):
Yeah. So they, they would have like three different nice

Leo Laporte (02:13:54):
Levels

Caller 7 (02:13:55):
That that would show in the photo.

Leo Laporte (02:13:57):
Nice.

Caller 7 (02:13:58):
So the thing is they used O b S studio and it would interface with Facebook and I'm having trouble getting it to livestream. Okay. And I can get it to record

Leo Laporte (02:14:17):
Right.

Caller 7 (02:14:18):
And stream it later, but I can't seem to get it to livestream. I hit the livestream button and it just doesn't.

Leo Laporte (02:14:25):
So I have I've course used O B S studio many times. Love it. I usually do it with a Twitch. I've done it with YouTube as well. I've never tried it with Facebook. But I can tell you, with both Twitch and YouTube, you need a key, you need an API key for your account and that's, and you enter that into O B S studio. And that's how o bs studio knows what the streaming end point is. Cuz that's a unique endpoint. So have you, I'm not sure if Facebook, how Facebook does it, but I'm sure there is some way that you tell OBS Studio, this is the account to use. Have you, do you know what I'm talking about?

Caller 7 (02:15:02):
Yes. I put the key in. Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:15:03):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>

Caller 7 (02:15:04):
Then it just didn't work.

Leo Laporte (02:15:06):
It doesn't give you an error message or it doesn't say, well, this key is wrong or anything like that.

Mikah Sargent (02:15:10):
I've had a similar issue. Have

Leo Laporte (02:15:12):
You wish? I think

Mikah Sargent (02:15:13):
O Bs studio, the thing that I don't like about it, the one thing that I do complain is that it's not very good at telling you what the issue is. And so you often have to go to like

Leo Laporte (02:15:23):
The log

Mikah Sargent (02:15:24):
Logs, the site and find so on Facebook, look for the logs there. Okay. I remember trying to stream something to, it was Twitch actually. And O BS studio didn't tell me what the problem was. I went to Twitch, I found in the logs and it was saying that the stream was not a high enough bit range or

Leo Laporte (02:15:40):
Something. It has to be, it has to match the

Mikah Sargent (02:15:42):
Expectation. Yes. And so I was able to adjust that and get it working. Yeah. so you may have to check with Facebook I, you know, you can do a search for like Facebook stream logs or something along those lines and find that setting, which could give you a little bit more insight into why it's not working. Yeah. The errors just don't show up very well in os you need a

Leo Laporte (02:16:02):
Clue as to what's

Caller 7 (02:16:04):
Going on. I'm wondering if there's a better program to use or is that a good one to use?

Mikah Sargent (02:16:09):
That's a great open source option. Fact that you don't have to. Yes. So if you wanna spend a little money E cam would be my suggestion for you. I it's battle tested. I quite literally use it every week.

Leo Laporte (02:16:21):
That's how you do I for today. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and Rosemary

Mikah Sargent (02:16:25):
Uses it too, right? And Rosemary. Yep. Rosemary uses it on her end. And then I also, a couple of times a month play Dungeons and Dragons online and the person who produces the show and streams the show, they use e Camm as the means of streaming all of us.

Leo Laporte (02:16:40):
Now it's Mac only, right?

Mikah Sargent (02:16:41):
It is a Macwas application. Yes. So,

Leo Laporte (02:16:44):
So if you're not streaming, you're not using a Mac.

Caller 7 (02:16:47):
I'm we. Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:16:48):
Gotcha. This does support Facebook Live though. Here's the, all of the things. Let's see, for Windows, what's another choice? Use you could use, like

Mikah Sargent (02:16:57):
Choice could use you could use the built-in. Well, okay. No, cuz you're streaming to Facebook. I was going to suggest using Twitch's Studio platform because they have a tool for that. Unfortunately, it doesn't work.

Leo Laporte (02:17:10):
And here's a tip from Andy Carluccio, who's our good friend. Sold his company to Zoom. I hope he is now a billionaire. Andy <laugh>. But he's in our, he's in our Discord. And he does say if you're using a non API connection for Facebook Live for instance, a raw rtmp setting, Facebook wants, and this might be the same thing with O BS seven 20 P, not 10 80 p. Oh. So typically you would have it set for 10 80 cuz you'd want that higher quality. This is, by the way, one of the reasons I think a lot of photographers don't like Facebook. They downgrade the picture, image quality and so forth. They want seven 20 P. So Andy, thank you for that tip. Other Windows choices are X split. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, that's what an uses forgot about. Mini cam is a good, easy windows choice according to Matt Ryder in our discord. So there are some other choices. I have to say, Facebook quality to me is, is not great. On the other hand, that's where the people are, right? Yeah. So you kind of, you kind of want to support them, you know where they are. But that's one thing I try make sure your settings are correct. Seven 20 P would be ideal

Caller 7 (02:18:24):
In the settings. It will automatically adjust to what Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:18:27):
Okay. 

Caller 7 (02:18:28):
What your what your hardware is.

Leo Laporte (02:18:32):
Yeah. Yeah. Andy also says Zoom. You could do this in Zoom too. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> Zoom has built in streaming to Facebook. So only you would need to use it or whoever's doing this streaming. You wouldn't have to worry. Everybody else could watch it on Facebook. But that would be another way to do it. You could even have, and this would be kind of cool, other photographers on Zoom, just like we're doing with you talking in a group and then put that thing on Facebook as well. So

Caller 7 (02:19:00):
What I need is a, a picture of the a Facebook picture that they sent me on the screen.

Leo Laporte (02:19:09):
So you comment on it. Yeah. Yeah. Uhhuh, <affirmative> aunt. Do you, now aunt does that on hands on photography. Do you use X split for hands on photography? He does. So that we, he's not streaming to Facebook. He's streaming to us and then we stream it out. But that's what he's using. So that, that's a pretty good recommendation on Windows is Xpl. Another recommendation from Matt Ryder in our Discord, BoxCast. I think probably all of these, I know E cam have free

Mikah Sargent (02:19:36):
Trials. Yes, absolutely. So

Leo Laporte (02:19:37):
You can, that's what I would do is just download, give it, see if it's working and see if it's working. But I'm glad we could give you a little plug for your group. I think that sounds wonderful. And those comment, Terry, those, they're so useful to get feed positive, but useful feedback from other photographers is so great. So great. So I'm glad you it's been a lot of fun. Yeah. And it's fun. Be

Caller 7 (02:19:59):
Part of the group, but now I'm gonna be running it, so I'm,

Leo Laporte (02:20:02):
But I'm glad you decided to save it. That's really great Eric. Eric, that's so great. That's what it takes.

Caller 7 (02:20:07):
Just kind kind of like Hugh, you know.

Leo Laporte (02:20:09):
Yeah. That's how I started <laugh>. Now see what's happened. <Laugh>, Eric, a pleasure speaking to you. Call again sometime. I'd love to hear what you're up to.

Caller 7 (02:20:19):
Thank you so much. All

Leo Laporte (02:20:20):
Right. Glad we could give you a little plug. I hope some of that helps. I should mention Chris Marwat joins us every month now. He was here last week, if you missed it. And I asked the tech guys with a new photo assignment. So here's how we do those. You go to flicker.com, that's where we do our photo sharing. It's another site, by the way, to post your pictures and get feedback from from other photographers and other interested parties. Flicker.Com free to join, then go into the tech guy group. There's a beautiful picture of a peacock on it right now and the smiling younger Leo. And if you want to participate in the assignment Chris will be joining us in a couple of weeks, looking to see your pictures for the tag or the assignment. Gentle, gentle, gentle. And I, I don't think Chris liked it, but I decided that if people wanted to submit AI images, you could tag it tg, gentle ai, and then we could have a separate ai field as well. I hope people will upload real photos, though. We don't want only ai. TG Gentle is the tag uploaded to the tech guy group on Flicker. And in a couple of weeks Chris will come back and we'll take a look at some of your gentle calm pictures. We're outta time for this week. Wow.

Mikah Sargent (02:21:41):
This show really does fly by.

Leo Laporte (02:21:42):
Yes, we got more calls in. I'm really pleased. I'm glad we could talk to all of you. Really appreciate your calls. Again, calls dot twit tv. We also take email and what we're still looking for. I don't know why it's hard to get. I want some video questions we can drop

Mikah Sargent (02:21:57):
In. I just put out the call. I recorded video putting out the call this week. It's gone out on some of our social media streams. Encouraging people to send in their video. So you see

Leo Laporte (02:22:06):
The email at the bottom of the screen. It's Ask the Tech guys, I think singular works as well cuz that's, yeah, we have for ages, but we've added an s So ask the tech guys@twit.tv. Send us, you know, don't make it too long. 30 seconds to a minute. Your question on video, even just audio. We'll play it that way. If you're shy or it's too complicated to get on or you're not around between two to 5:00 PM Eastern Time when we do the show live on Sundays, that's 11:00 AM to 2:00 PM Pacific. 1900 to 2100 utc. 2200 utc. Nice. If you're not around at that time, you can always leave a a message. And if you get well, we'll answer some emails. We didn't get any this week cuz we got so many calls.

Mikah Sargent (02:22:50):
We, we had a lot to cover

Leo Laporte (02:22:52):
<Laugh>. But we'll do some emails next week and ideally some audio and video emails from all of you. Ask the tech guys@twit.tv. Watch the show again. Sundays in the old radio show slot 11 to two Pacific, two to 5:00 PM Eastern. You can watch it live.twi.tv. Tell your friends there's live video, but there's also live audio. I know some of you like to listen to the show when you're driving around and doing errands. That's that'll work too. You can put it on your phone and listen as you drive out and about after the fact the show is available on the website, you still can go to tech guy labs.com or simply twit tv slash a T g for Ask the Tech Guys. There's a YouTube channel dedicated. I think it's the same one. The tech Guy channel. We'll probably just repurpose that. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, why get a, why create a

Mikah Sargent (02:23:36):
New channel. Youtube.Com/Tech guy Labs.

Leo Laporte (02:23:38):
Nice. And Mikah knows all this stuff. He pays attention. <Laugh>, I, I've only been doing this 19 years. I don't know what the hell I'm doing. <Laugh> and <laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (02:23:47):
It's just autopilot. That's funny.

Leo Laporte (02:23:48):
Yeah, it is. I have no idea what's going on. And what else? Oh, you should subscribe in your favorite podcast client. We have links to all of those at the top of the website. Twi TV slash atg. Or just open your client search for Ask the tech guys or tech guy cuz you know it's the same feed and subscribe that way you'll get it automatically. Is there any other business

Mikah Sargent (02:24:10):
That covers the business you need

Leo Laporte (02:24:11):
To take care of? Any birthdays we wanna celebrate?

Mikah Sargent (02:24:14):
Yeah. happy

Leo Laporte (02:24:15):
Birthday John. I missed your birthday. You were very, very quiet and secretive. John. Oh yes. Celebrated survey.

Mikah Sargent (02:24:21):
Survey. Survey says

Leo Laporte (02:24:23):
Survey. What's the survey?

Mikah Sargent (02:24:25):
The twit survey. Oh, at twit TV slash chance. Survey 23. Get your responses in. We love to hear from you out there. We love to know who our audience is. Don't worry, it's not about tracking or anything like that. We just like to know who. I mean, that's why we need to ask you who you are because we're not tracking you Elsewise. And we would love it if you took a couple of minutes logged on Twitter tv slash survey 23 and told us who you are, what you like, and it helps us improve upon the shows. And also lets our sponsors know who we're

Leo Laporte (02:24:58):
Talking to. We don't want to track you, we just want to, you know, sell ads so that we can keep the lights on it. <Laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (02:25:03):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:25:04):
Thank you everybody. Have a wonderful week. We'll be back here next Sunday. I hope you will too for as the tech guys. Bye

Mikah Sargent (02:25:10):
Bye-Bye. Byebye.

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