All About Android, Episode 573, Transcript

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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up next on All About Android. It's me, Jason Howell, my co-hosts Ron Richards and Huyen Tue Dao. And we've got a lot of news to talk about this week. Dirty pipe is a thing that we haven't talked about a whole lot on the show, but apparently it's fixed sort of at least in beta anyways, unlimited Google photo storage is back, but there's an asterisk. You have to be a T-Mobile subscriber to benefit from that. Essential's unreleased home device is now a collectible that is slash was sold on eBay. Google lens Multi search is finally here. Also claw machine apps are apparently a thing that Google's getting involved in, and we've got a whole bunch of your feedback, including a voicemail and more, a whole lot more next on All About Android

Narrator (00:00:45):
Podcasts you love from people you trust. This is TWiT.

Jason Howell (00:00:53):
This episode of all about Android is brought to you by ITpro TV. ITproTV has everything you need to level up your it skills while you enjoy the journey. Visit for an additional 30% off all consumer subscriptions for the lifetime of your active subscription. When you use code AAA30 at checkout. Hello, welcome to all about Android. This is episode 573 recorded on day, April 12th, 2022. Your weakest source, latest news hardware and apps for the Android. Faithful. I'm Jason Howell

Ron Richards (00:01:30):
And I'm Ron Richards

Huyen Tue Dao (00:01:32):
And I'm Huyen Tue Dao

Jason Howell (00:01:33):
Now. Oh yeah. The three of us today. It's a special day day.

Ron Richards (00:01:38):
It is nice to be together. Indeed.

Jason Howell (00:01:40):
This is nice to be together all on this very, very special occasion. Those of you tuning in right now may not know this, but I think I'm on the same wavelength with Ron here. Is this your, I think so 500th episode?

Ron Richards (00:01:57):
This might be episode 573 of all about Android, but thanks to the, the masterful Patrick Delahanty, at TWIT pointed out late last week after doing some calculations. This is indeed my 500th episode of All About Android.

Jason Howell (00:02:12):
Okay. All right. So hold the phone here for one second. Let me, let me hit play on my phone while you hit play on that Burke. There you go. You get your own bumper. Are you happy?

Ron Richards (00:02:31):
Thats brilliant. 500. It just took 500 episodes to get a theme bumper. I'm just, I just want to thank everybody a TWIT not only for letting me do the show, but for not putting goats in that bumper. I really appreciate it. I think,

Jason Howell (00:02:46):
I think who you need to thank is Victor who is also in the room. He's the one that even came up with this idea to begin with. Appreciate it. And the second you said there were no goats. He, I think I heard him yell. Dang it! As if like you didn't think about it and well, that's great. It was a missed opportunity, but 500 episodes,

Ron Richards (00:03:06):
500 episodes. I mean, and, and just, just so everybody, if you, we love the numbers, Lord knows. We love our numbers with Android adoption, right. And sell through and penetration. Here are the numbers of all the TWiT hosts. Thanks to the TWiT API so Huyen you've been on 15 episodes so far, so you're just starting you're in a rookie year. Yeah. Rookie year, right? Believe it. Or believe it or not. Eileen Rivera did 83 episodes. I thought those were more, but she did 83 episodes.

Jason Howell (00:03:32):
It was a couple years basically.

Ron Richards (00:03:33):
Yeah. It was a couple years. Gina Tripani did 107 episodes, Flo has done has got 280 under the belt under her belt. Wow. I'm I'm now, you know, in the 500 club. But I am just purely second fiddle to the, the, the man in the big chair. Mr. Jason, Mr. Jason, Howell this is your 526 episode.

Jason Howell (00:03:55):
I mean 500, 526. Aren't really that far apart, to be

Ron Richards (00:03:58):
Honest. No, but still you did it. You did it half a year. More than I did.

Jason Howell (00:04:02):
Yeah. Feel what

Ron Richards (00:04:03):
Do you think about it? Right. You

Jason Howell (00:04:04):
Know what? You take a lot of time off. You're a slacker. What can I say? I

Ron Richards (00:04:07):
Know. I know. Well, I haven't taken a lot of time off recently. I used to, but not as much. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:04:11):
I'm totally kidding.

Ron Richards (00:04:12):
Anyway, its, it's good to be here. I, I, I love the opportunity and love talking about Android, cuz it's so much, so much fun stuff to talk about.

Jason Howell (00:04:19):
It is there continues to be fun stuff to talk about in the world of Android and today is no exception. Well maybe the top news block that might be exception. I was like piecing it together. Like okay. There's real. No, there's no real like top, top news this week, but that's okay. We've got news. There's

Ron Richards (00:04:35):
Some good news in all

Jason Howell (00:04:36):
Facets. Good news to talk about bad news.

Ron Richards (00:04:38):
There's I wanna be clear. I said there's some good news. I don't mean there's good news about Android. There's just some news that is fun to talk about. As we say

Jason Howell (00:04:45):
Good news. That's that's what we mean.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:04:47):
Things of note ful news.

Jason Howell (00:04:50):
All right. Well enough talking about the news that we do or do not apparently have, because I'm telling you we have some and it's time for it right now.

Burke (00:05:02):
Looks like we're gonna be talking about dirty pipes today on Android.

Jason Howell (00:05:06):
The really

Burke (00:05:07):
Creepiest name ever.

Jason Howell (00:05:08):
Yeah. I mean one, one dirty pipe anyways

Huyen Tue Dao (00:05:13):
Could be many dirty pipes. I mean, dirty pipes are no fun in your bathroom and they are no fun on your flagship Android phones. So for those of you who might be aware, there is, there was a pretty hefty vulnerability found in a in versions of the Linux kernel 5.8 and above called dirty pipe. It's, it's a pretty bad one. Without going into too much technical detail, it's pretty, it's pretty cunning. It has a lot to do with kind of basically how pipes work, which is basically a inner process communication utility on Linux that allows like running processes to talk to each other. So that's the pipe bit there's a little bit of basically a system call called splice, which allows you to take files and, and splice them into pipes. And then basically if a, if a very let's see non good intention person was able to open say a very important read, only file or a file rather that they only had read access to do some things with some pipes and some splicing it to pipes together. They could actually write to read only files and give themselves elevated permissions so that this is the that's the dirty pipe. The pipes are, all pipes are all gummed up with bad malicious data. Yeah. So

Ron Richards (00:06:20):
Dirty pipes,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:06:21):
Dirty pipes. And so this is in versions of the Linux curl 5.8 and up. And unfortunately for those of us with pixel sixes and galaxy S 22 S that was actually the version of the Linux kernel that these phones shipped with and yeah bad stuff. It actually is pretty pretty heinous. And for the good news though, is that for Samsung users, Samsung S 22 users, I believe there is a patch out for all of the rest of us on pixel sixes, the latest Android, 12 QPR three beta does have a fix for the dirty pipe exploit. And yeah, I mean basically if you're on other versions of Android 12, if you upgraded to Android 12, you're probably gonna be all right. If you're nervous, you can go into your system settings and check out your, the, the, the Android version, which also in that same street includes the kernel build version. And I believe like the version that pixel six is shipped with was kind of five 10, which was released, I think, or was dated it's dated rather January 21st. If you have the new QPR three beta two, your kernel version should be dated March 15th, which is good, which means you're all good to go. If you're super nervous, get on the beta. If you're not just be careful download between now and when QPR three comes out. But yeah, pretty interesting stuff from a like philosophical technological perspective, but wow. So yeah, just be careful about that. Don't, don't let dirty pipes, don't let dirty pipes keep dripping dirty water on dirty.

Ron Richards (00:07:57):
Oh man. The dirty

Huyen Tue Dao (00:07:58):
Stuff. And

Ron Richards (00:07:59):
This is just, this is going down a dangerous road. Okay. My that's it

Huyen Tue Dao (00:08:03):
15 episodes. Y'all got a long way to go, especially with these kinda like things to talk about, but

Ron Richards (00:08:08):

Jason Howell (00:08:11):
Yeah. I think what's interesting about this is that this is basically like the fix to this is rolling out in a beta for something that's actually coming to everyone in June, which in my mind, like a fix for really bad vulnerability. Like that seems like a monthly security update, not a pixel feature drop update. Like why wait until June on this? If we got the fix here, why not put that into, you know, it's April, why didn't it go into the April? Maybe they have it in the April security, you know, update timeline. Why not may security update timeline?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:08:45):
It it's a really good question because Samsung S 20 Samsung S 22 folks have it. So that's a really good question. I can only think that there's some kind of like mitigation of effort or kind of like, cuz every time you roll out an update, there's always a chance that you break something else. I mean, Google's pretty good at this, so that might not be the case, but I think because even though this is a pretty bad, this is a pretty bad vulnerability. Like people, someone who knows what they're doing could do some really crap stuff like they can, they can take over your phone. But I think because the devices is so, so tiny. And even again, like, I, I, I believe and I'm, this is not my realm of expertise, but again, I believe if you upgrade to 12, you're still okay. As long as you have a phone that didn't ship with Android 12 you're right. So since the, I think since the affected user base is so narrow, they're kind of going with this I mean, I still don't like it I'd rather just have like the danging patch, but it could be just a mitigation of other risk factors just because of the, you know, the fact that Samsung kind of has S 22 covered and the fact that, you know, otherwise, you know, it's, it's hopefully an aware user base and hopefully awareness will kind of keep people from downloading any, any other nefarious, malicious, dirty pipe and type

Jason Howell (00:09:58):
Dirty dirtiest dirty

Huyen Tue Dao (00:10:00):
In the story a little bit dirty pipe. That's a good name though. Apparently. I, the dirty pipe actually was very reminiscent of a previous vulnerability called dirty cow. Oh, well,

Ron Richards (00:10:09):
Dirty cow is a dirty cow is much more interesting than a dirty pipe. Let's be honest. I mean, like,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:10:15):
Wasn't talk about dirty cow could have been some like tipping jokes and some pie jokes or whatever, but anyway, too bad.

Jason Howell (00:10:20):
I wasn't a dirty goat. I

Huyen Tue Dao (00:10:22):
Mean, no,

Ron Richards (00:10:24):
It'd be too easy. It'd be too easy. So man.

Jason Howell (00:10:29):
All right, well, Ron, you got the next one. I think we've I think we clean up the pipe. Let

Ron Richards (00:10:33):
Me cleans nothing like moving away from dirt pipes to like thorn in our sides, sticking issues that we never hear the end of it taking a new turn. So if you remember correctly Google phased out the unlimited storage for Google photos a little while back, right. And everybody got upset. And you know, basically if you wanted more, you had to pay for the Google the Google one service kind of stuff to get more storage storage was tied into your Gmail, all that fun, all that stuff. Google realized they needed to make money, which whatever I, I get that, I understand that. But guess what unlimited photo storage is back now. But it's not free. It's as a catch it's only for T-Mobile customers of which I am one, but I'll get to that in a moment.

Ron Richards (00:11:20):
So T-Mobile is currently they've been partnering with Google on a lot of things. They were ahead of the game on RCS. They're doing things with YouTube TV, you know, all, all this, you know, like T-Mobile and Google have really been siling up next to each other. And now T-Mobile currently offers Google one tiers. The 15 a month $15 a month here includes unlimited Google, go, Google photos, storage. And it also includes two terabytes of Google, one storage so that storage can be shared up with up to five additional people. But unfortunately the unlimited photo storage cannot be shared. So essentially as of right now, and I was on the page, I just went to it before on the T-Mobile website on their office page under Google. Now Google one, sorry, what you can do is you can sign up for $5 a month and you get a 500 gigabyte storage plan, right?

Ron Richards (00:12:06):
Which doesn't give you any of the unlimited storage, but you get a lot of the advanced photo editing and a lot of the perks that you get from Google, one, that sort of thing. You could pay $10 a month and get a two terabyte storage plan that you can share with up to five people. And you get all that, the advanced photo editing stuff you get with Google photos, you get the VPN access, you know, the Google one VPN, you get all that fun, cool stuff. But coming soon is this $15 a month plan where you get the two terabyte storage plan plus unlimited Google photos which you can't share with anybody else. They're just photos for yourself. And this is exclusively for T-Mobile customers. So they say coming soon is coming later this month. And my question is, I'm a T-Mobile customer. Who's already paying for Google one directly with Google. How do I get this?

Jason Howell (00:12:54):
Can you just transition over to,

Ron Richards (00:12:57):
If, if I cancel Google one, will I lose all my store? Like what, what will happen if I lose my, you know what I mean? Like, yeah.

Jason Howell (00:13:03):
Well, that's a good question. What does happen to your data when you cancel Google one? Yeah. There's gotta be a way to transition over.

Ron Richards (00:13:09):
I don't know. I'm afraid to Google

Speaker 6 (00:13:11):
And you use T-Mobile's network.

Ron Richards (00:13:14):
That doesn't count that

Jason Howell (00:13:15):
I have that like

Speaker 6 (00:13:16):
That, which uses Google one too.

Ron Richards (00:13:18):

Jason Howell (00:13:19):
Or like, can you pause Google one? So your stuff stays there, but you can't access it. I don't know. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:13:26):
They gotta have like a grace period where they still keep your data on server just in case. Cause that would be that, that just feels so restrictive. Yeah. Like, I mean, it's that kind of standard that you get a grace period of like so many

Ron Richards (00:13:37):
Months. Yeah. It's gotta be to move off or to do whatever. Like you're not gonna delete everything as soon as you get cancel, but still yeah. But it's gotta be, there's gotta be some sort of like, I'm a T-Mobile customer. Okay, cool. It's going over here. Like I, I don't know how this works is I currently don't have unlimited Google photo storage because I'm paying and I'm dealing with the tier and everybody's dealing with, I want this I'll pay 15 bucks a month. That's fine. So I don't, I, so my question to T-Mobile customer service will be, how do I get this? So, Hmm. But yeah, try. So if you want unlimited Google, Google photos, if you're on T-Mobile, if you're not on Google one, go to that page on T-Mobile's office page. See the information sign up. I think it's, I think it's lighting up later this month, I think like April 26th or so I saw that saw that date floating around. So two weeks keep an eye out. Can I just say, I love T-Mobile once again, I mentioned a couple weeks ago, my free TV, lots of perks. Lots of perks with T-Mobile. So

Jason Howell (00:14:28):
Well, you know, and what's, what's interesting to me about that. So T-Mobile is getting a lot of this stuff for first. Google has its own project five. Why, why is this deal not extended to project five? It, that seems like, well,

Ron Richards (00:14:41):
Cause T-Mobile T-Mobile is probably paying Google to get this because this is a perk to use T-Mobile.

Jason Howell (00:14:46):
Yeah. That's,

Ron Richards (00:14:48):

Jason Howell (00:14:48):
How this works. Why not also is it like Google? If, if you want people to, you know, if you want people to use your service, prioritize them with something I don't, but you know, Google likes to keep things open. So maybe this is just an extension of that too. I don't right.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:15:02):
I agree with you, Jason, but I'm a Google file user. So obviously, you know, my

Jason Howell (00:15:07):

Ron Richards (00:15:07):

Jason Howell (00:15:07):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:15:08):
Photos back.

Jason Howell (00:15:09):
Yeah. Right, right. Maybe it will come. Maybe, you know, maybe it'll do that. Because I can't imagine, like, if it's a matter of like not making, like losing money or I don't know, like there, there probably aren't an insane amount of, of GoogleFi users. Right. so I can't imagine adding that, that service yeah. Much less than the millions upon millions, upon millions of people that had free high, you know, resolution storage or original resolution storage for years and years. So would it really be that much of a, of a give

Ron Richards (00:15:42):
To, I mean, if they, if they wanted to, if they wanted to get people to use GoogleFi they would play this card.

Jason Howell (00:15:47):
Yeah, totally. That's

Ron Richards (00:15:48):
Fair. So you gotta really wonder how much they want people to use five work with their carriers. Like it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a tough business. It's like, honestly, it's like, because it's like they, Google is dependent on the carriers to get people, to use their phones and to sign up and do all that fun stuff. But they also want Google five, but the carriers can be like, Hey, Google five is competing with us. Why are even those using T-Mobile's the network and stuff like that. It's a, it's a, it's a slippery slope. But you know, knowing how deals work on the business side of things, there's no way Google went to T-Mobile was like, Hey, you want unlimited Google phone?

Jason Howell (00:16:20):
Like no to you. Right. I'm sure T that sounds,

Ron Richards (00:16:22):
Yeah. T-Mobile's like, T-Mobile mobiles. Like we need a differentiator for us from at and T or from, you know, I guess sprint doesn't exist anymore. Oh my God. Wow. From whatever carrier that's out there. So yeah, so that, that Verizon, right. They wanna do it from, you know, Verizon, so, yeah.

Jason Howell (00:16:39):
Interesting. All right. So

Ron Richards (00:16:41):
I, look, I look forward to navigating customer service on this one. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:16:44):
Let us know how that goes, because I think everyone would probably wonder, you know, is, is probably as curious as you are, what happens when you cancel a one account even temporarily? I have to imagine even, well, actually, well, see, listen, what, you know, I do know at least part of the answer because my wife did this when her business shut down during the pandemic she still had all of her business files up on the Google cloud. And, you know, even after she stopped paying that account, she was, was able to reopen it or, you know, like activate it again, like a year and a half later because there was stuff. She was like, oh my God, I don't have this stuff. I wonder if I can get access to those files. And she was still able to do it. So I don't think it goes away your access to it might go away, but it's still there. There might be a cutoff period to that too, where they say after this date, it all, you know, could completely goes away. But so I'm trying

Ron Richards (00:17:36):
To see what you do. I, I went to the plans page on, on Google, one, logged into my account with it. And all I can do is upgrade. There's

Jason Howell (00:17:43):
No chance you cannot leave.

Ron Richards (00:17:45):
It's like, it's like worse than the gym you can get

Jason Howell (00:17:47):
In. Oh, wow. But you can't get out. Yeah. All right. Well lastly, in our top news block

Ron Richards (00:17:56):
Here we go. Wait here, hang on. Hang on. I'm sorry to I, you, yeah, cancel membership. It just cancel me. Just says cancel membership. And there's one button that says cancel. I don't wanna press that's button.

Jason Howell (00:18:05):
I know. Cancel there's no,

Ron Richards (00:18:08):
Here, here, go. Here we go. Are you sure you wanna cancel Google one? You're currently using, I'm currently using 95 gig of storage and you'll be outta storage. If you cancel your storage is shared across Google drive Google photos, unless you free up storage. After September 22, September 2nd, 2022. You'll not be able to upload new files in Google drive, send and receive emails in email or back up your photos to Google photos.

Jason Howell (00:18:28):
That's a good amount leeway right there. If you cancel now, you've got until September 22nd of this year to free up before your Gmail stops, accepting email, for example,

Ron Richards (00:18:38):
Correct? Correct.

Jason Howell (00:18:40):
That's a decent amount of

Ron Richards (00:18:41):
Leeway. So it doesn't say anything like you can come back and access all your stuff. It doesn't say anything about that. So I'm gonna say I changed my mind. I,

Jason Howell (00:18:49):
You, yeah. I mean, the

Ron Richards (00:18:50):
Button is literally I changed my mind.

Jason Howell (00:18:53):
Oh, nevermind. I mean, I, I can, I can pretty much tell you with some certainty that your files don't go away entirely sure you will get access to them if you stop that and, and you move over. But but if you find anything out by talking to customer service or whatever good luck on getting in touch with them then, and

Ron Richards (00:19:11):
Some good, some good analysis in the chat room, by the way, cousin, Josh saying Google's pre 20th century Europe, lots of small kingdoms that do their own thing.

Jason Howell (00:19:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ron Richards (00:19:19):
Which is true. So

Jason Howell (00:19:20):

Ron Richards (00:19:22):

Jason Howell (00:19:22):
Okay. And finally, last week I talked a little bit, or we talked a little bit about Samsung's deal with, I fix it for self-repair and you know, in the case of Samsung, it's, it's limited to, I think the S 20 and the S 21, I don't even think the S 22 is on that list yet, but, you know, so it's a limited thing. Well, Google announced shortly after last week's episode, that is doing the same thing. It is also working with, I fix it on their own self repair program. This is awesome. Batteries, display and cameras that, you know, I, that you as a pixel phone owner can, you know, go through this this setup and receive those parts, receive instructions on how to replace them. You can either buy the parts separately, or you can buy it as part of something they call fix kits, which includes the it's.

Jason Howell (00:20:11):
And then also the tools that are needed. Cuz I fix it also sells a lot of these tools really great for selling, you know, a lot of the, the tools that you need to do this. So yeah, us, Canada, Australia, UK, and other European countries this will extend as far back as the pixel two and forward. So Google offering a whole lot more options, including the pixel six. So even the, the current model device that's out right now and it launches later this year, I think it's great. Anything that, that, you know, any progress to self repair. Yep. To being able to fix things on your own and not be burdened by, you know, this like unnecessary in my opinion, need to like take a device to an authorized dealer. So that they're the ones like, I don't know that I personally am equipped to do this. I probably am, but you know, I, I would still be a little nervous about it, but the fact that I can choose what to do with my device, that's what I think is really important when we own these things. We should have that, that clarity,

Ron Richards (00:21:11):
I, I, a hundred percent agree and like, and I agree with you also, like looking at and looking at the photo and the article and the verge of like all the I Fixit tools and all stuff like that. It's like, I get a little nervous, but like, I, I mean, I, I, I spent 10 plus years fixing computers, right? Yeah. Like, you know, like, you know, we should be able yeah. Look at all that, look at all that stuff. See what worries worries me about this is that, and the difference between repairing and building computers. And this is that this is very small components and I have very fat fingers, right? So like, if you go Burke, can you go back to that photo? By the way, if you look at a, on the, the opened up pixel six at the top of it, it's, it's hard to see up top cuz the, the, the cropping is happening, but there are the two camera modules above the open back of the Google, the, the pixel six.

Ron Richards (00:21:58):
Yeah. And there's actually the camera module and little ribbon cables and little connectors and just the idea of connecting those back in and horrify me in my fat fingers. Right. So it's just like, but, but it is, it is absolutely like, I I'm with you. Like you sh you know, like I will try to fix something before I give up on it or, or go buy a new one or whatever it is if I can. And I will say anybody at home, if you have problems with your phones specifically around charging or stuff like that, before you even try opening it up or anything like that, get yourself a can of compressed air, right. That is like every mobile phone owner should have that because blowing dust out of your phone is probably the, like the, it will, you know, remember it used to help up speakers. Like your speakers gets all crap, you know, kind of, you know, crapped up in there in the whole, any sort of connector on the, on a, the plug going in and out, a lot of dirt bills up in there. And that compressed there lets you blow that out. Usually that fixes things like, eh, 10% of the time before you have to actually open it up or anything. So that's my tip to you get a, can compress there, like 10 bucks, there

Jason Howell (00:23:03):
You go. And then you fix it

Ron Richards (00:23:04):
With I fix and then you fix it, you fix

Jason Howell (00:23:06):
It, we fix it with IIX fix it. Cool stuff. So congratulations Google on furthering the possibility for people to actually own their things. The end of the day, it's

Huyen Tue Dao (00:23:19):
Simple things. Life is just all about the simple things.

Jason Howell (00:23:22):
I mean, if I buy it, I wanna know that I can do what I want with it. And so it's nice to be able to do that. Let's take a break, thank the sponsor this episode. And then we will get into a really great hardware block. This is the block that I'm one of the blocks that I'm looking forward to. So that's up next first, this episode of all about Android is brought to you by it pro TV. If you're a fan of TWiT, then you're a fan of what it pro TV is doing because they're doing live coverage, you know, live shows around it education in a very similar model, but they are just doing such an amazing job. And they have been for years, the world of it, as you know, it's always changing where exactly do you go when you to update your certs when you need training in it?

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Ron Richards (00:27:17):
I'm so excited for this first story.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:19):
Oh, it's great. Well jealous. I, I love this story. So first off I love being on the show because I'm with people that, that like to collect devices. I know like Ron showed us his part of his collection earlier and about two months ago in this, in our slack, Jason posted a EBI listing for this sooner, which

Jason Howell (00:27:37):
Is, yeah, that's run

Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:39):
The actual first Android phone and guess who bought it and just never brought it up on the show because it actually was a completely unused, like copy of it. It, it was like fresh in the package. The batteries were still in the plastic. So I never brought it out because I never had the heart to open it up. So,

Jason Howell (00:27:58):
So is this still wrapped and everything

Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:59):
It's still wrapped. I wanna get another one that I have

Jason Howell (00:28:03):
You canine and what,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:28:04):
And then keep me,

Jason Howell (00:28:05):
You're such a

Huyen Tue Dao (00:28:06):
Collector one for me. No, but, but I, I love that. I, and I, so I suppose I love this story because it's about essentials, never released smart speaker, the essential home. So we never really saw this for reals that was never released. Obviously essential is, is now well, part of it's nothing, but really it's also nothing essential. No one

Ron Richards (00:28:28):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:28:29):
Not confusing, but that

Ron Richards (00:28:31):
Was very funny. Part of it is nothing, but it's also actually nothing. It's

Huyen Tue Dao (00:28:34):
Actually nothing. But so we, we, we did see the essential. How do you fun, fun? How did you, I don't even remember the pH dash one, so essential did release a smart own. Yeah. And kind of on its heels was kind of renders for this essential home, which was kind of in the vein of other essential things, meant to quote, bring order to the endless standards, protocols and systems rock by the internet of things with the system that combines quote, smart things, home kit nest, and the rest and essential TA something, quote, you'll actually be proud to display in your home, no boxes, tubes or strange lights. And I think what we really got was just renders of this kind of round. It

Ron Richards (00:29:14):
Was, it was on, it was on their website, like it

Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:18):
Was on their website. Okay. It's

Ron Richards (00:29:19):
When the website launched, when the website launched, it was like the phone and then it was like home and it had like that the silhouette of the puck design, it was like coming soon. Yeah. And they never revealed anything about it. That's right.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:31):
Yeah. So, well, I mean, if you have 900 bucks, you can buy what is toted to be a prototype of the essential home and yeah, it, it, it would be interesting to see, you know, have this thing in hand because you know, like essentials that it would come with the, a custom ambient OS, this runs 8.1 with a security patch from 2018. And you can see whether, you know, you can actually, you know, activate it with a tab, voice, commander, even a glance. That was what it was supposed to be like, oh, would you just like, kinda look at it? And it kind of just detects you your side eye and then does essential things. So, yeah. I mean, if you have 900 bucks and you're really curious what the essential home is, like, you can now find out from this eBay listing. So this is really, really interesting. I always wonder how things like this pop up on eBay. Yeah, me

Jason Howell (00:30:23):
Too. What's the

Huyen Tue Dao (00:30:24):
Story, but yeah, what's the story here, but yeah, like if you want a piece of better or worse history you can get it for 900 bucks on eBay.

Jason Howell (00:30:32):
So you could, I think it's closed now. I think bought it. Yeah. So let's go to the eBay listing and it says I, yeah, the listing is ended. So I don't know if that means, I don't know if that means that it was someone

Huyen Tue Dao (00:30:46):
Buyer, someone say don't sell, it says sold.

Jason Howell (00:30:49):
Does it say sold? It says

Huyen Tue Dao (00:30:52):

Jason Howell (00:30:53):
Yeah, I'm not WIS, my, my eyes are, are not seeing sold. But yeah,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:31:00):

Jason Howell (00:31:00):
Yeah. Okay. 900 bucks plus $15 for shipping.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:31:05):
Oh, there you go. Nine 15. So,

Jason Howell (00:31:06):
Oh, that's that's yeah. That's too far. That $15

Huyen Tue Dao (00:31:09):
Extra 15 was just too much. So yeah. Fascinating stuff. Never released. And now maybe someone will just, I don't know, I'd be fascinated to see if someone actually got this running, like at their house.

Jason Howell (00:31:21):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:31:22):
And just showed us the future that could, that could be in an alternate universe where

Jason Howell (00:31:28):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:31:29):
Some people were better people and things happened different.

Jason Howell (00:31:32):
Yes. Right.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:31:34):
You know, that, that, that, I mean, we've, I actually actually watched the, every, everything everywhere all at once. So my mind's all about like the multiverse and things that could be, so maybe this essential home is your, is your, is your nexus to other realities where essential is no is not, nothing

Jason Howell (00:31:52):
Is yeah. Was, was not led by people. Yeah. I, I was going on the internet archive and pulling up and I found the little bit

Ron Richards (00:32:02):

Jason Howell (00:32:03):
Yeah, it is there, but it just went away. I'm trying to refresh it and it's slow. Anyways

Ron Richards (00:32:09):
That's the biggest problem with the internet archive. It's just really not fast enough.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:32:14):

Jason Howell (00:32:15):
They have too much stuff on there.

Ron Richards (00:32:17):
The, the public service that you don't pay for that it's donations, you know, really is not, it's just not snappy. Come on guys. You

Jason Howell (00:32:24):
Know, so

Ron Richards (00:32:26):
Yeah, man. Well, that's cool. I mean, I, I, I thought we would never see the light of day with this, that, that, that smart speaker

Jason Howell (00:32:32):
$900, $900. That's a, that's a pricey collector's item.

Ron Richards (00:32:37):
I mean, it is, but honestly, like I, I'm just shocked. It's under a thousand, to be honest. Yeah. So yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:32:43):
It's yeah, it has that kind of like you know, when things, I don't know, like it not on the same level, but you know, like, you know, you know, Nazi China and like things like this, like probably like pole pots, like bath RA and Ru there's kind of like a weird grotesque. Yeah. fascination with these kind of things. Not, not again, not the same level, but kind of like a weird piece of history.

Jason Howell (00:33:06):
Totally. Well, yeah, the, the essential home does occupy a strange place in, in Android history. And so in the right hands, kinda like, yeah, you don't have this, but I do. I'm good. Someone's willing to hundred dollars or $900 for

Huyen Tue Dao (00:33:21):
Congratulations. Whoever you may be

Jason Howell (00:33:25):
Now. Now, if I could find somebody to spend $900 for my nexus Q I can't say that I wouldn't entertained

Ron Richards (00:33:31):

Jason Howell (00:33:33):
But I don't think so. Yeah. What does that go for? What are those going

Ron Richards (00:33:35):
For now? Yeah,

Jason Howell (00:33:36):
I'm curious. I think a lot less, I think a lot.

Ron Richards (00:33:40):
Right. So

Jason Howell (00:33:41):

Ron Richards (00:33:43):
I don't even see any on here. Geez. Where is it?

Jason Howell (00:33:47):
Yeah, I, I saw something for $71

Ron Richards (00:33:51):
Nexus. Cute nexus.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:33:53):
I, I think we still have ours, so Jason, we could sell ours as like a dual listing thing as a pair, so,

Ron Richards (00:33:58):
Right. So here we go. You

Huyen Tue Dao (00:33:59):
Want, yeah. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:34:00):
Oh, as a

Huyen Tue Dao (00:34:01):
Yourself, you want

Ron Richards (00:34:02):
Show a pre-owned nexus queue is selling for $220 on eBay, right? Oh,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:34:06):
Shoot. That's not nothing

Ron Richards (00:34:07):
That's appreciated. That's appreciated. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:34:09):
So yeah,

Jason Howell (00:34:10):
Yeah, yeah. There you go. I'll just keep it plugged in my, in my office as like a fancy light, just for the light. Just basically all it's done for the last time. Don't know how many,

Ron Richards (00:34:18):
10 years.

Jason Howell (00:34:18):
Yeah. It's it keeps

Speaker 6 (00:34:20):
You from getting lonely when they go in there every once in a while, and then the little lights are pulsing and it's

Ron Richards (00:34:24):
Just like, I mean, honestly that's honestly, yeah, yeah. When parks there, 3:00 AM going for a glass of milk cuz you know, you can't eat. Yeah. So there are no other, there's only one active on eBay right now. Remember there used to be like a whole bunch of em in the search

Jason Howell (00:34:39):
For it. Yeah, totally fascinating. They've given up cuz they realize like this doesn't actually do anything. It doesn't do anything other than glow. So there you go. Cool. Any who, all right, Ron, what you got

Ron Richards (00:34:52):
Anyway. Anyway. so if you're keeping, if you've got your bingo card at home and you're keeping track of manufacturers that are rolling out foldables if you had Viv O you win this week. So Viv O has announced its first flagship foldable the vivo X fold is available in China for now. It has an ultrasonic fingerprint sensor on both displays and it also has a plate underneath the interior fold point that pushes up when open to smooth out the crease, which is, you know, key in the folding business. Mm. And it's got a pretty, pretty powerful quad camera array, including a five X Periscope optical zoom. And it includes a physical silent mode slider on the side. And it, it sells for approximately converted to one between a hundred, $1,440, the $1,570. So it's pretty, pretty pricey. But yeah, Viva, Viva getting in the foldable game. There it is.

Jason Howell (00:35:52):
Wow. That's that's pricey. I mean that's like upper, upper and Samsung. So vivos like, yeah, we're, we're right there with Samsung. I wonder what the Samsung Z fold three converted, like, you know, I mean converted in Chinese one is, I don't know if it's, if it's close to that, but that's bold.

Ron Richards (00:36:15):

Jason Howell (00:36:16):
Bibo is in a brand that we really get here in the states, I mean, is, is Viv O just a brand that we don't see here in carrier stores or are they one of those, those, you know, the side brands that you see in carrier stores? I honestly have no idea. Or is it just China?

Ron Richards (00:36:29):
Viv O they are global. So they're available. You can get VI OS, like if you just do, you know, Google shopping, you can see and they're available on Amazon, that sort of thing. Don't don't know if they're in any carriers. Yeah. Right. That's that's a good question. Let's see. Vivo T-Mobile

Jason Howell (00:36:46):
Global market share of 2.7. Oh no, that, but that's old. That's first quarter of 2015.

Ron Richards (00:36:53):
Yeah. I don't think they're, they're not, at least they're not with T-Mobile. They're not with T-Mobile. I doubt they, I doubt they're with Verizon, so

Jason Howell (00:37:01):
I don't know that I've ever run into somebody or, or seen anybody with a VBO phone out, but yeah. But it looks like an interesting foldable. I mean, everybody, it just kind of seems like the foldable thing everybody's gonna, you know, doing their work to, to bring a foldable to market. I think the idea of pushing up the crease like that, I thought that was interesting. It's funny to me that in the foldable game, the hinge system is such a big part of it. You know, it's like, whoa, what is this? This hinge is unique because it, blah, blah, blah. And in the case, you know, this device, it pushes up. So you don't see the crease.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:37:35):
It's so funny. It's like when you get a letter and you try to like increase it by like, like kidding, you know, kind of like just like running your finger across the back a lot. True. Kinda reminds me of that. And I love that. I, I really like the camera on this. I'm like a MAs camera buyer. So the fact that it has like, you know, like little Zeis Saari Testart SARS anyway I'm I, I see the blue Ze logo. I'm like, Ooh, it'll match my camera. So I, I, I I'm, I like, I like, I don't like the price, but I like everything else. And I'm really curious if these kind of crease, like how, which of these crease mitigation strategies actually bear fruit, CRE list fruit, you know? Yeah. So, and how

Jason Howell (00:38:16):
Necessary actually is it? I mean, yeah,

Jason Howell (00:38:21):
Because I, because I remember when foldables were first happening, everybody was like, oh God, did you see the crease reflection? Because we weren't used to screens that actually flexed. Right. And we're used to these slabs of glass that are like, perfect until you scratch them. And with foldables we had to kind of get, you know, that was our first time seeing a, a screen that like had almost by design, almost outta necessity, this crease going down the middle, it was like, well, that's not pristine. But then when I actually had a, a foldable in, in hand, like I really got over pretty quick. Like, it didn't really bother me that much. I thought it would, but it didn't so interesting. How big of how big of a problem is it really? I don't know.

Ron Richards (00:39:03):

Jason Howell (00:39:04):
But interesting. Well, tying onto that is one, plus

Ron Richards (00:39:10):
We just can't stop.

Jason Howell (00:39:11):
We can't stop. We can't have theses. Everybody's doing it. Apparently one plus is in on this two working on a foldable, which is, isn't actually surprising because a you've got the oppo find N foldable that that was from last December in China. This is apparently going to be from at least according to this report similar to that device, which makes sense because oppo and vivo by the way, are all owned as well as OnePlus owned by BBK electronics. So these are all subbrands underneath the same umbrella and more and more we're seeing how they share their IP across these different divisions. So it's kinda like, oh, you, you mean vivos got a foldable? Well, yeah. So does op oppo and so do apparently does OnePlus because they're all under the same umbrella. So they're all pulling from the same source, essentially. So not that surprising, but what, what might be the differentiator here? Oneplus might be the brand I'm guessing what might to be the brand to be a more global bringer or whatever distribute their, their foldable device, you know, in underneath that umbrella, theirs being more global than the rest, you know, but are, are, would we be excited about a OnePlus foldable I'm interested, but I would

Ron Richards (00:40:36):
Be, I'm interested. I'm interested in anything one plus does at any time. And as you know, I'm always interested in a foldable. I'd be curious to see, I would expect one plus to do something, not, not, I wanna say different or unique, but those are most lazy words. Like something, one plussy that would make it stand out from the crowd. And, and I don't know what that would be, but I'm curious,

Jason Howell (00:40:56):
What is, what plus he now cause at one plus what

Ron Richards (00:40:59):
Did one, plus he

Jason Howell (00:41:00):
Oneplus seems to have kind of petered out on their, on the, that originality front to a certain

Ron Richards (00:41:07):
Extent. Well, that's why car pay left, right? I mean,

Jason Howell (00:41:10):
Yeah. We've decided that on this show, even though there's, there's no indication of that in reality, but yes, that's what we have decided here,

Ron Richards (00:41:17):
The continuing history of why Carl pay left, let's just call, let's just, let's just throw it up to there.

Jason Howell (00:41:22):
So I'm curious, but if it's just gonna end up looking almost identical to another phone that already exists, then that, I don't know, I can't help, but feel like that's, that's a little lazy, but I guess, but in,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:41:32):
In, in like kind of like the vein of like interesting like crease mitigation figures, I think we did talk about the fine one and, and this one has the, it, it folds, but doesn't crease. So it has like a teardrop kind of hinge where the screen doesn't actually kind of fold in half that there is a crease, so I'd be, so if I, I would actually love to get my hands on it and then to see if like this particular medication works without the crease. Cuz I, I have to admit now that I think about it, the longer I start my fold three, the more I see the crease, like which, which is kind of odd for me, cuz I'm actually able to kind of, I'm usually able to kind of like block out that kind of like noise. Like my laptop is like a jet engine running and my husband always ask why it doesn't drive me crazy.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:42:15):
And I'm like, what noise it's it's presence is why it's beautiful in here. But for, for some reason it's something about the crease is getting to me. So I, I I'm really like, I would like, I would like a scorecard of like creases and then we just have like basically all these kind of different, like the, the push and the full, the push and the crease from the bat, from on the backside, the tear drop the, the S full what, whatever, whatever, whatever interesting mechanisms and designs I wanna see. Yeah. I wanna see which one comes out on top. I wanna see which one works and I wanna see which ones are absolutely ridiculous. And are, are just a gimmick to get you to buy the phone, which

Jason Howell (00:42:51):
Ones? The crease killer

Huyen Tue Dao (00:42:52):
Crease killers. Yeah. Which one

Jason Howell (00:42:54):
Kills the

Huyen Tue Dao (00:42:55):
CRE killers.

Jason Howell (00:42:56):
Yes. all right. Well hopefully we'll find out about that. I don't know. It seemed to refer to this OnePlus foldable, not coming this year, so probably not anytime soon, but who knows maybe they'll surprise us. We will find out all right, coming up next. We have some app news that is up next.

Ron Richards (00:43:29):
So time for some fun app time. So multi search, you might remember it was shown last September by Google is now in beta for Android. And it's, and this is, this is not too big of a claim. A quote unquote, entirely new way to search is useful when you don't have all the words to describe what you were looking for says Google. So what you do is you take a pick with lens, swipe up on the results panel and tap, tap, add to your search. And then you can enter a question about an object in front of you or refine your search by color brand or visual attribute. So for example, you can take a picture of an orange dress, then ask it for, ask for it in green or another color, or you can take a photo of your plant and ask for care instructions.

Ron Richards (00:44:13):
And Google does admit that the best results are usually hopping searches, which is, you know, no surprise cause that's actually revenue generating. Yeah. but it is now in beta, in the Google app. And it's actually really interesting when you think about it, because it is, I mean, that, like, that is a bold statement to say that it's an entirely new way to search, but it is because it's combining the, the photograph photographic as evidence and the AI analysis that Google's doing and saying, okay, that is a dress within a followed up con contextual additional search based off that result. Right? So like you take a picture of address and say, show this, you know, is this available in, and it will go search for that dress in red. Like that's kind of like another dimension, right. It's calling it multi search makes sense. Cuz it's multiple searches, but like it's, it's layering in another angle to what your search is, which I find fascinating. So

Jason Howell (00:45:06):
Yeah. This is artificial intelligence at work right here. They've, you know, they've trained of systems to recognize a long to medium to short dress or whatever, all different colors and you know, over, yeah, this is, this is really powerful. Actually. This is really cool. I like, I can't help, but think like there's, there's some careers that got a lot easier with something like this. Like like Saturday night live when they see, you know, are paring something and that person's wearing that dress or whatever. Be very easy for them to like, you know, find, find it. They probably make all their clothes though. I don't know. But anyways, pretty powerful tool for Saturday night live and for other people,

Speaker 8 (00:45:47):
For sure,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:45:50):
This is really cool. It kind of like builds on, you know, the like, as I was saying, like the context, but also kind of is just seems like a interesting extension of like conversations. Right? Cause that was like the thing with like Google actions and kind of Google system is that they're trying to make interaction with digital devices, more conversation and more human languagey. And this is taking that. And I, I really like some of like the benefits of this, like there's a kind of an accessibility, a kind of like friction reducing this where, and I, I, I do this too. Like I'll use Google ends to find something like to identify a thing, but then if I want to do like a deeper dive on it, then I'll go take my search over to Google search and like try to describe. And I, I, so I really like the idea of building on it and then of like, you know, typing less, being able to, cause I feel like also like you lose context because th there's this whole, you know, tensor flow neural network kind of brain that's providing you these things. And then you kind of let that brain continue to kind of mellow and like kind of think on what you're asking it. So you're, you're, you're kind of probably we hopefully gaining more information this way. So I, I, I just love it. I think it's really cool. Just conversations, but with like shopping. Yeah. Show me the red one. Yes. Orange one again, red size, small. Yeah. Love it.

Jason Howell (00:47:06):
I, what would I look like wearing this, this

Huyen Tue Dao (00:47:09):

Jason Howell (00:47:11):
I mean, at some point that's gotta be, that's gotta be possible, right? Like, okay. That, that shirt on me. Can you put that shirt on me and, and let me know and show me what I would look like. Oh, I like that shirt on me. Okay. I, that's

Ron Richards (00:47:23):
Interesting. That's an interesting angle.

Jason Howell (00:47:24):
Yeah, yeah, sure. That's gonna happen at some point. All right. When you got the next one.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:47:31):
Yeah. So this is a little, this is, this is this definitely a dev related story, but basically, you know, even now for new apps and for app updates, you have to target the, the, an an, an entered API level within a year of the latest man, major Android OHS release. So this is actually a thing. When you write Android app, you literally state in like this thing called a manifest your minimum S STK that you support. And then basically the target SDK that you support. And usually the target is hopefully the latest and greatest, but it dictates a lot of things, basically the kind of highest levels of features that your users can take advantage of. And the minimum will basically dictate, you know, things that you have to right compatibility into. So this is kind of not. So, so the first part of this is not nothing you do, you, when you have, whenever you have new apps and app updates, it has to be within a year.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:48:24):
The major lease, the new portion is basically that for existing apps that don't target an API level within two years of the latest release. So basically take the date that the current major release of Android has been released. Go back two years, if you're an existing app that is not targeting at least the the release from two years ago, then your app will not be available will not be discoverable or installable by new users with devices running Android that is higher than the target API. So if you're targeted. So, so for example, to try to put some numbers on this, say, you're still targeting Android eight, anyone running with a device that isn't or so a new user that doesn't already have your app that, that has a phone that has Android nine above will not be able to see or install your new app.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:49:16):
So there is some like wiggle room built into here. If you're, if, if you have an app that doesn't meet this condition, your existing users will able to find and install your app. But this is kind of just basically Android, trying to keep people up to date and by people, I mean, both users and devs. And of course, like a lot of motivation for this is security updates and better experiences. So as we get new versions of Android, we get better features, but we also get things like increased privacy, pro privacy practices and protocols, and better. So security like fixes and, and things of this nature. So Andrew, Android is just, or Google rather is just trying to make sure that devs keep pushing their users or pushing, pushing their apps and pushing their users into better practices, whether that's from a user experience side or a security side, and Google states that the vast majority of apps on the apps are already meet these requirements.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:50:13):
And they, and if, and if you don't, you will have some help. There's a technical guide already up that kind of will help you, that will help guide you to becoming compliant. And if you're a dev again, who doesn't meet these requirements, you can actually request a six month extension. If you're just finding it difficult, to kind of get everything ready and onboard by November 1st, which could be really difficult if you haven't updated in a while. It's very understandable. You do have the option to request a six month extension. So that's kind of the news you have until November 1st to basically target one of the, one of, of the releases in the last two years. So for me, this kind of seems like very reasonable, but you know how about y'all? Do you have any like old, like old, like arc? Not, I mean, I guess old and still enjoyable or still like useful apps that you'd be upset that you couldn't find

Jason Howell (00:51:05):
Probably you have something on here, but like nothing coming,

Ron Richards (00:51:10):
I've got like some, I've got like some smart ruler or some app like that, like one of those like random ones that I used once and just never UN you know, you know uninstalled, but I'm afraid to look, to be honest, you should be able to, like, I do wish I had better ways to slice and dice the data of my apps on my phone. And maybe I do, but I love to like sort by date installed or like, or sort by last update, you know, like stuff like that, that would get you be a little smarter about managing the option phone. Cause honestly, there are so many download and forget that's in there that unless you sit there and go through and be like, oh, what is that? Like? I, you know, like it is, it is, you know, fascinating to see, like I've still got stuff from the arena and stuff like that, that we, you know, that I I'm like, oh, I don't want that anymore. Let me remove that. So yeah. Pick

Jason Howell (00:51:51):
One, randomly

Ron Richards (00:51:52):
Tell us about it. Let's see. Well, I have the, I have the just salad ordering app that I use pre pandemic to order salads at work. When I went into the office, I haven't done that for two plus years. Wait, it's

Huyen Tue Dao (00:52:06):
Legit. Just salads. Are you serious?

Ron Richards (00:52:08):
It's a place. It's a place called New York city. I dunno. It might be somewhere else, but it's just called just salad and all they sell a salad. So they were, they were downstairs for, they were downstairs for my office and, and so it was very convenient. You would just order on the app and then go pick it up. It was great truth

Jason Howell (00:52:21):
And advertising right there.

Ron Richards (00:52:23):
Let's see, S SMS backup that old app.

Jason Howell (00:52:27):
That that's a good, although I be, you S M S backup has

Ron Richards (00:52:31):
Like it's been updated, right?

Jason Howell (00:52:32):
It might not visually look updated, but the underpinnings might be backup and restore. Now I'm really curious on that one. When is the last time this was updated February 1st, 20, 22. Was it the last

Ron Richards (00:52:47):
Update? That's real. That's this year, that's better. Okay. That

Huyen Tue Dao (00:52:49):
Be within a year. Yeah, basically anything with a recent update. It has to be within a year

Ron Richards (00:52:54):
AZ AZ screen recorder. I still have.

Jason Howell (00:52:57):
Yeah, I still have that one.

Ron Richards (00:52:59):
When was that last update on app details, version five, do nine, do two last updated October 31st, 2021. Yep. So I'll, I'll allow it I'll allow that

Jason Howell (00:53:12):
50 million installs on that app, by the way. That's just, wow, that's

Ron Richards (00:53:15):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:53:16):
Yeah. I mean, so if you're already using this, you you'll be fine. And I guess I, I, I, and I put the wording, it looked like if you just have an old phone. Yeah. You should be good. So I, I, I feel like the only part where this would really run into problems, if like, say you wanted to, I don't know, share the app with someone, or maybe I can't think of, I can't think of a good use case now, but basically if you wanted to get someone new on your old app, you'd be in a little bit of trouble. So I, I don't have too much too, too many qualms about this one. And as I said, a vast majority meet the core requirements, just because there's already that kind of stringent requirement of like, even updating your APS to like target within the last year or so. Yep. But driving us into the future, whether we like it or not, usually we like it. So

Jason Howell (00:53:59):
Yeah. I mean, it's good for us. It's like eating greens. It's good for you. You might not like it, but it's good for you

Huyen Tue Dao (00:54:05):
Just salad. Sometimes you

Jason Howell (00:54:06):
Just salad, like eating, just salad, just salad, just salad. Yes. Google plays getting like just salad. And then finally, this is, this is an app category that I had no idea existed until I saw this story on Android police. Apparently there are apps that control real life if Klaw machines. The only reason that I even care about this even remotely is the fact that my younger daughter loves Klaw machines. Like she can't see one and not like want to spend all of her money claw at that, you know, that doll or whatever. So I'm very familiar with them. I kind of hate them to be honest, you know, I'm, I'm the, I'm the parents like, you know, you spend a dollar on that cl machine. You get nothing. If you save that dollar and put it with other saved dollars, you get something I'm just saying.

Jason Howell (00:54:56):
But she doesn't care. You know, part of the fun is, is actually playing. But apparently this is an app category that is so a thing that Google is doing a a pilot program for developers of these games, at least in Japan to start. They, so the, and the way this is gonna work is that each game is gonna be certified by a play industry partner in this case, Japan, online crane game, industrialist association, which is a mouthful. So just call it JCA, J O C a. If you like this program is gonna run from July 11th through of this year, through July 11th of next year. So a year Google will follow up with user feedback and will confirm that participating games are actually following restrictions and rules. So it's placing guidelines around, like if I own alaw machine and I have an app that people are downloading to control that claw machine, they probably just wanna make sure that people aren't getting ripped off in the process.

Jason Howell (00:55:56):
Like it's a, it's a cool idea and it deserves to exist, but how can we make sure that it exists in a way that is fair and you know, not breaking flaws or whatever the case may be. And yeah. Also placing restrictions on what those cloth machines can and can't do like offering NFTs. That's a Nono, we're offering cryptocurrency, that's a Nono, but apparently this is just like a huge thing in Japan. Like we have cl machines here, but the cl machines, from what I understand in Japan are like next level and they're way better. Sure.

Ron Richards (00:56:28):

Jason Howell (00:56:28):

Ron Richards (00:56:28):
Surprised that

Jason Howell (00:56:28):
I'm not surprised at all? You surprised? I just never thought about it. Like I just thought cl machines are cl machines. But you know, I'm just really happy that my youngest daughter doesn't know that apps like this exist because she'd be all over it. She'd be like, I just wanna spend all my birthday money on this cl machine in Japan and the hopes that I can get that doll

Ron Richards (00:56:48):
Until she watches this show until she watches this episode. And then, then you're screwed. Thankfully

Jason Howell (00:56:52):
She doesn't show.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:52):
I mean, they're everywhere. And I, I mean, if I, I, they, the prizes in them are amazing and I can't help, but think like, it's really interesting actually. They're I think the common name for them is U F catchers. And it's, it's, it's kind of like clean, like how we called tissues, Kleenex. I think UFO catchers was like an OG game from like Seger or something. And then it just became like the kind of ubiquitous name for it, but they are everywhere and I can't help

Jason Howell (00:57:14):
Think the

Speaker 9 (00:57:14):
Clock came down and got the cow, I think, or something like

Huyen Tue Dao (00:57:17):
That. Oh, really? Yeah. I've I, I I've never, no, I just know they were called UFO catchers and I could never understand why, because I'm like, they catch more than UFOs. I've definitely seen a big Pikachu or two, like go up with a claw, the claw,

Jason Howell (00:57:30):
The claw, the

Ron Richards (00:57:31):
Claw. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:57:35):
So anyways, it it's a thing that exists so much so that that Google's has a pilot program around it. I just thought it was interesting. I was like, wow, that's go Google. I suppose. I didn't know. I didn't even know this was a category that existed, but it actually makes a lot of sense. When I think about the mechanics of a cl machine, it's just a joystick it's joystick and a button, same thing that you'd be able to do on your phone. Why couldn't you do that? You know, from a distance with a real cl machine and, you know, they have it, the apps that serve this or that do this, have it set up, I suppose, if they're done well, where if you actually win the prize, they ship the prize to you. Right. So it's not just playing the game, but then you end up getting a ship. So I don't know how much they cost. I have to imagine. Oh,

Ron Richards (00:58:18):
That's the get the gotcha.

Jason Howell (00:58:20):
Of course it is. Yeah. That's always the gotcha with cl machines. My goodness.

Ron Richards (00:58:24):
So know was so funny, is that like it was, was so like, I had talked to a company related to when we were working on score, but a couple years ago before the pandemic, and there were a company called surrogate and they still exist Don't load it up Burke. But if you wanna go look at it, but they are basically like remote robotic line gaming where you, and they have a whole section of claw machines. Yeah. So like they, they build the software to program the robots to control these claw machines, which is fascinating. Oh yeah. So they, they also, they also built the people use the same tools that they use to control pinball machines remotely. So somebody set up a pinball machine with cameras on it and you can to play the machine via browser is pretty neat, but wow. So, yeah, yeah,

Jason Howell (00:59:10):
That, that seems problematic though. At least the cl machine there isn't like instant reflex need. Yeah. Right. You just, you, you position it pro and you hit the button when you're ready to go. Yeah. On a pinball machine, like doing that, virtually that like the lag, the latency there.

Ron Richards (00:59:27):
Yeah. No, which it got a lot, it got a lot of scrutiny, but also a lot of people like, oh, this is so cool. You know? Yeah. So for sure.

Jason Howell (00:59:35):

Huyen Tue Dao (00:59:36):
Interesting. I really wonder what the end game to this is because I mean, it's definitely pop really are in Japan, but it's like, you know, it's one country and I, I understand like, you know, a lot of technical innovations and, and we kind of think of Japan as like, you know, kind of like a center of a lot of like nerd culture. So I, I, I suppose like it on the surface, it makes sense, but I kind of wonder what the end game for this is. Like, whether this is like some kind of like, Primor Google, like merging, you know, I don't know, like, like, like Pachinko or like other, like, yeah, It's getting into gambling, but kind of starting to merge real life, kind of these kind of games with, you know, virtual and experience. I don't know. It's it's it's it just, it just seems so, so I mean, it's great. And I think it's, it's really fun, but it's so niche that there's gotta be like some kind of underlying experiment for something bigger or broader

Jason Howell (01:00:28):
Going on. Yeah. It seems very specific,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:30):

Jason Howell (01:00:31):
Specific for Google to be like, yeah, we should do a pilot program around this. Okay. Yeah. Really curious. That's why I tagged it. Cause I was like, huh. Is like, put, be sang stadia. I, I don't know.

Jason Howell (01:00:46):
I think that that horse is out of the stable at this point.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:49):
Yeah. Well, just watch. If you ever get a, a package from Japan post Jason, you never, you might be getting, you know,

Jason Howell (01:00:55):
Some, oh, somebody won me a, a, a Hatchable or whatever

Huyen Tue Dao (01:01:00):

Jason Howell (01:01:02):
Actually. They're not they're what are they? God, I can't even remember. My daughter has, has like a million of them. They're they're squash, mellows. That's the thing, right? Now's

Ron Richards (01:01:10):
Like three Christmases ago.

Jason Howell (01:01:12):
No, they're huge. Right now you go in there. Oh, squash. Yeah. Squash, meows are huge. And, and sure enough, we went into Safeway the other day and there was a Klaw machine there and she over and she came back. She's like, I need a dollar. I was like, why? She's like, there's a squash mellow in that cl machine. And I go over and I look at it and you know, it's a whole, I mean, it's the typical cl machine thing, right? Like tons of stuff in there all like smooshed down, like really hard and interweaved with each other. The one thing you really want is the squash mellow. And it's pushed against the glass and I'm like, dude, oh, the CLA doesn't even go there. Like, yeah, you could, you could try endlessly and you will never get that thing. She's like, I don't care.

Ron Richards (01:01:54):
She doesn't know how to shake the machine yet. Does she?

Jason Howell (01:01:56):
She no. Nor could she, I mean this machine.

Ron Richards (01:01:59):
Yeah. Well, I mean, if she knew a very tall man who was quite, quite stout hearted

Jason Howell (01:02:05):
That was willing. Yes. If she knew that man that was willing to shake the machine you're right. Maybe then there's something. But anyways. All right. Well, we have some feedback from you and not just emails. That's up next in our feedback section, AAA@twit.TV, or 347 show AAA. Those are the dets Ron. You got the first one.

Ron Richards (01:02:30):
All right. Our first email comes from a proud club. TWiT member, Adam in San Diego. How you doing Adam? I miss San Diego. I ho dads, if ever in San Diego go to ho Dadds amazing burgers and milkshakes. So good. Anyway. So Adam writes and says, I was delighted to learn about the new functionality and go and Google messages that you talked about in the last episode where they now have tabs to separate personal and business text messages. This is great. However, I'm seeing one problem. There are several businesses that are coming up under my personal to app. Not all, but a bunch. I've looked for a way to try to indicate in Google messages, which text should be in the other column. But I don't see a way to do this. It's worth noting that I do add all of these businesses, text numbers to my contacts.

Ron Richards (01:03:09):
So I know who it is when I get the text. So I'm wondering if maybe Google thinks it's a personal message because I've added into my contacts. But if that were true, you think all the businesses would come up under personal. Only some of them do. So it seems like Google's algorithm is not, is, is just not working very well, but I don't wanna remove them from my contacts because I like knowing exactly which business it is. As soon as the message comes in, I don't want a whole bunch of random identified unidentified numbers where I have to open up each messages to figure out what company's from. Do you know of a way to fix improperly categorized messages or is this just an unintended side effect of a new feature that they will need to fix in the future? And that's a great question, Adam, and I don't know the answer.

Ron Richards (01:03:47):
My assumption is that they just rolled this out. They're still tweaking it. They're still figuring it out. It would be really great to tap on somebody and say, this is a business and be able to move it over. Yeah. and I be actually, Google would love to hear from you, so you should leave a review for the app, or you should leave some, you know, like email, the develop, like, you know, like go to the, go to the Google messages, listing and Google play and give feedback to them and give them this feedback because we hope they watch the show, but we don't know that they watch the show. So, you know, you know, talking to us talk directly to Google I'm sure. Or, or, or tweet at them, like sometimes they, some of that stuff, but but yeah, I, I, I would imagine that this is just gonna get refined and give you more, hopefully more control because you're right. I mean, they they're, they're probably categorizing a lot of businesses as who knows how the algorithm works, but they probably have a database. Okay. This is a business number, but they might not know that business yet or who knows. So

Jason Howell (01:04:41):
You're not noticing this in yours. Right. I don't have the future still. I still don't have future.

Ron Richards (01:04:46):
Well, that's crazy. I've been nothing but happy with it. So yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:04:50):
Yeah. I just need the thing, like with, like, for example, with Gmail, when it's, sometimes it classifies emails as promotions, when it's really just like your shipping notification and then you drag it over to updates and it's like, Hey, would you like future emails from this, in this dressed to be categorized as the thing you just categorized it at? That would be kind of awesome. Although I, I feel like that's less smart and more, maybe that's just like a white list kind of like mechanism or act or an okay. List. I don't know if that we don't use that term no more, but but yeah, something like that, but I would like that to give it, give, give Google data, you know what I mean? Like, because it's all about like the machine learning. So you need to give it like learning sets. So let, let me, let me learn. Let me learn the Google messages, Google. Yeah. Let me, let me give it some learnings information.

Jason Howell (01:05:32):
So yeah. Be nice to be able to do that drag

Ron Richards (01:05:35):
It it'll get there. I believe in it. Believe in, I believe in you Google. I feel like they've got a track record. They'll figure it

Jason Howell (01:05:39):
Out. You look usually Google launches things and they work right out of the box. So, you know, this is odd. It's odd. Every single time, this one project, this one pro app doesn't work as intended with a new feature. Yeah. So gotta give 'em a pass. I suppose.

Ron Richards (01:05:57):
I'll figure it out. I believe them.

Jason Howell (01:05:59):
We believe in you Google right when you've got the next one.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:06:03):
Yeah. Well, we've got a voicemail from Chris, from mobile, Alabama. It was really hard for me not to read that. Like I was watching forest Gump because

Jason Howell (01:06:12):
Mind is

Huyen Tue Dao (01:06:12):
Just telling me they watch forest Gump this weekend. But yeah, Chris, thank you so much for sending us a voicemail about Android auto.

Speaker 10 (01:06:21):
Hey, this is Chris from Alabama. I've got a Motorola G power 2021 as my primary driving device. But that's not my problem. I problem is Android auto. When I'm using maps on my phone, I can share my location on a route without a problem, but I can't find any way to do that using Android auto. And I've also noticed things like obstacles in the road or police checkpoints and things like that. You can do easily on maps, but not on Android auto idea how to do it or anything else. Thank you very much.

Jason Howell (01:07:03):
So I, I don't, I mean, I don't have Android auto. I don't have the Android auto, like installed in my car. Hopefully a future car that we good. Maybe, maybe we will. So I don't know how to exactly do this. I was just kind of left in a position of like, all right, well, do do some Googling and see if I find anything that seems to reveal that this is possible. I didn't find anything direct from Google. I did find an article from Android police that was written not that long ago. All the title of the article is the seven things I hate most about using Android auto, but so February 12th, 2022. And, and one of the points that the author who is ha kava fi I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing your name is 0.3 location sharing and seems to imply that yes, location sharing is feature in Android auto, but the author points out.

Jason Howell (01:08:03):
Although you can do this with Android auto, you can only share your trip with Google maps contacts. So I don't know like what the interface is though, to get there. So apparently it is possible, but there's limitations is not as easy. And, you know, and the author goes off on how, like, not easy, it is compared to what you can do on the phone version of maps. So I, I mean, I don't really have a solution for you other than to say there is a implementation of this in Android auto. It just, maybe isn't perfect or isn't what it is on maps on your phone

Huyen Tue Dao (01:08:39):
Or what you, I actually have entered auto in my car. So I think what I'll do is I don't often go out these days. I've made a bad habit of not going outside, but I will, when next time in my car, which will happen sometime before next show, I, I will try to find it. But yeah, I, I was hoping to get a guide for this, cuz I didn't wanna be in my car, messing with auto kind of distractedly but I'll see if I can find it. But yeah, it's kind of annoying also in the article, it mentions like you can't even do it on your phone because when Android auto is engaged, it just like is like, no, don't use your phone bad, bad. So you can't even like have a backup for doing, for doing it. If, if you can't seem to find on your Android out. So maybe I'll make my husband drive and I'll just hit buttons in my Android out and see if I can find out where it is because I, I, I, I can't, I couldn't tell you where it, I couldn't tell you where it is. I I've, we used this feature all the time, but generally the person who's not driving is like sharing location. So I'd love to see if this was in my car, even though I probably could be less distracted when I drive, but I'll try to find it.

Ron Richards (01:09:41):
You should you should do that and you can't go home until you find it. That's the challenge.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:09:47):
Oh, okay. So

Jason Howell (01:09:49):
See how long it takes. So

Huyen Tue Dao (01:09:51):
If I don't show up next week, you all know what happened to me, but Chris, for you, I will, I will, I will try drive around my Subaru and see if I can find location sharing. And then my husband will be like, why are you sharing me your location? You're like down the block. Just it's for science dude. So

Jason Howell (01:10:06):
Cool. We'll let us know what you come up with there. Okay. And thank you so much for the voicemail, Chris. We appreciate that. All right. It's to IM for the, of the week.

Jason Howell (01:10:24):
Yeah, there we go. Lots of pump and circumstance for Rick ABI. We don't know where you're from Rick ABI, but that's okay. Cuz I like your name. Rick Billy says, I am so glad that I am not the only one. Sorry, flow. Discover makes me want to not use maps in the way that it auto switches to discovery. Often I arrive close or close rather. Sorry, let me start that again. Often I arrive close to the new destination and have defined parking in Chicago. It's hard card and the app has switched to discovery. So I have to re to the destination to find it, but I am still parking, but close enough that it thinks I wanna walk the rest of the way. Then I need to go back and select driving. Oh, and the reason that I picked this for the email of the week

Jason Howell (01:11:17):
Is because this is one of the things that frustrates me about maps as well. When you navigate somewhere like it, like it's this, it's this like switching to discovering like you're there and it's like, no, I'm not. I know you think I'm there, but I'm still kind of like in the process, please keep it going. Or it's when I pull up like, so, so I've got the navigation in front of me and I'm pulling up and it's the third house in front. Right. And then I get like two houses away and then it does the you're there. And it also does this really disorienting thing with the map where it like rotates around and now suddenly the house is on the other side and my mind has to like do it's. So S

Ron Richards (01:11:54):
Of where? So the, oh, the up and down. Yeah. Oh that is, that is like, that is like a science experiment.

Jason Howell (01:12:00):
Totally like breaks my brain every time I'm like rotate. I'm like, okay, it is that house. It's not the one right there. It's the one next to it. Okay. I was gonna get that wrong. Except you did that wrong. Don't do that maps. So I don't know.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:15):
It's only the second time that Google releases something and it doesn't work well. So yeah. You know, it's only

Jason Howell (01:12:20):
The second, it's odd. Only the second

Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:22):
Thing. This

Ron Richards (01:12:22):
Is odd, this a bad, this is a bad listener feedback segment for Google. Geez. Between messages and Android auto and now maps true

Jason Howell (01:12:30):
Like, oh man, true. They're all like railing on, on Google for one. Here's

Ron Richards (01:12:35):
The thing. Here's what, here's what Google is suffering from. Okay.

Jason Howell (01:12:37):
Too busy work plow machines is what Victor says. No, no,

Ron Richards (01:12:40):
No. That too busy work on. That's true. But Google is suffering from the same problem that George Lucas suffered in that they can't stop tinkering. Right? Like Google maps was really at the pinnacle of perfection when it comes to the, and the, the team's like, well, we can't just finish. We gotta keep innovating. So like, what do we do? Let's make this discovery mode or let's make this, like, let's bring in local guides and let's all this stuff. And it slowly degrades the experience, you know? And then you're left with, you know, like all this crap in the background that wasn't in the original movie. That's

Jason Howell (01:13:12):
My take. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Agree. Burke.

Ron Richards (01:13:18):

Jason Howell (01:13:20):
Ah, so anyways, Rick ABI, we feel your pain. We feel your frustration. We've been there. They're not as dumb, but you know that, and I think brick ABIs kind of point is, is like discovery. Is this aspect of maps that like, do, is it necessary? I mean, I understand why Google is doing it. I understand they want their maps app to be as great as it could possibly be in everything. Location based can be found there eventually. But just like, you know what, just do your core thing. Right. And, and do it That

Ron Richards (01:13:52):
Don't take away from the experience.

Jason Howell (01:13:53):
Don't take away what core experience.

Ron Richards (01:13:55):
That's what I found has happened more often than not with, with a lot of the changes they've rolled out and things like that. Like this, you know, the, like the, like I talked about it a couple weeks in the show, the local guys thing popping up, like, no, no, no, I just wanna, I need directions of where I'm going. I don't wanna like look around where I am. Like, you know, like if I

Jason Howell (01:14:11):
Wanna look around

Ron Richards (01:14:12):
Where I am, I'm gonna use my eyes.

Jason Howell (01:14:15):
Right. Yeah. I know. Right. Well, and that's, that's where I end up too is like, wait a minute. Like, it's, it's pretty easy for me to like look up and, and figure this out. But, but I've spent the whole drive like tied into the navigation. It's it? I know. It's just the transition hard. Yeah. Sometimes I also feel like when it does that and it, and it removes the thing. I'm trying to remember if it still has the address shown on the screen in any way at that point or not. It, it must, it must. But sometimes I feel like, God, what am I even looking for right now? What is the number it's like it, right. I don't know. It's disconcerting is all it is. It's probably air. It's just in a different place. And when I'm parking is when I'm focusing on like finding the parking and making sure I'm in front of the right place.

Jason Howell (01:14:59):
And, and just that, that switch from everything looks like this to now, everything looks like this is enough to kind of break my brain and every time, and I keep thinking, it's gonna get easier and it's not, but maybe I just need to drive without navigation for a while. And actually, if my wife was sitting at this table, that's what she'd say. She'd say, well, then stop using navigation because she, you know, I've lived in Petaluma now, how long if you need navigation to get her on a Pema, like, I don't need navigation to get around in Petaluma. I prefer it. I can get around just fine. The problem is I don't memorize street names. So it's like, I know where I'm going. Hey, I'm with you. But you, but if someone says this street, I'm St I'm like lost, cuz I'm so used to navigation. So I dunno.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:15:46):
I mean, it's kind of nice for like, you know, when, you know, road construction happens like in Denver this entire, last summer, they basically every, every single street between my house and my gym had worked on done on it. So even though I nominally know my way around here, it was kind of nice to be like, okay, well I can't go that way. Okay. I can't go that way either. I can't go that way either. Did you just rip up the entire like downtown section of Denver? Okay. Well then I had to go like five minutes at my way. So, you know, that's good for, you know, that, you know, your say, decide, Hey, we're just going, you know, I mean, maintenance is important, but could you not do like the entire downtown all at once? Just saying, just saying it's fair. You know, that's

Jason Howell (01:16:22):
Good for that too. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:16:23):
Yeah. But it's kind of weird. This discovery stuff. Like, so we just talked about like the, the multi search it's like Google really, really wants us to know that really good at kind of giving you peripheral information and maybe, maybe finding new stuff that you might like, but it, it always feels better when we ask for the extra stuff and not when they like, you know, just like, Hey, would you like this thing? Would you like this thing? Like, nah, man, I really don't. But like, you know, if, if I ask for, you know, it's kind of like, can they just save the stuff for additional put, like if they had just set a button for like, would you like to look around? Yeah. Yes. Like, yes, with my consent, they know octagon, give me stuff like with my permission, you know what I mean? Like with, with my input rather than just like kind of assuming that we want discovery all the time. Like now I, I, I know where I'm going. Like, I don't need to discover anything. I just need to get there

Jason Howell (01:17:12):
Just right, right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Totally agree. There you go. You got us all fired up. Rick ABI. Thank you for for emailing that's

Ron Richards (01:17:19):
That's that's what makes a good email of the week.

Jason Howell (01:17:21):
That's right. Congratulations. I knew it would be a hot button topic. We have reached the end of this episode of all about Android and it's been a lot of fun. It always is. I enjoy my Tuesday nights hanging out with you guys. So Ron, let's start with you first tonight. What you what you got going on?

Ron Richards (01:17:41):
Well, I am just gonna bask in my 500 episodes. I'm gonna pop the champagne later on and just again, thank everybody for welcoming me here, making this awesome and go follow me on Twitter and on Instagram, I'm at Ron XO on both those platforms and go download, score it in the Google play store. If you like pinball, go check it out. I won't talk about it. I'll let you discover it. So go do that. So

Jason Howell (01:18:03):
Do it, do it to it. All right. Thank you, Ron. And what about you win?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:18:09):
Well, I'm gonna sit here and enjoy my 16th episode. I know it's not anywhere near runs. I got a long way to go, but I will enjoy your

Ron Richards (01:18:16):
Start somewhere. You gotta start

Huyen Tue Dao (01:18:17):
Somewhere. You gotta start somewhere. So 16 is a good number. It's a perfect square. So I will enjoy my 16th episode with y'all having fun talking about Android, which is always one of my favorite subjects because I am an Android at dev. Believe it or not. I know usually it's not, but I am really, and you can find information about my talks, other technical content that I write on my website, randomly And for other dribble, you can just find me on Instagram and Twitter at queen code monkey.

Jason Howell (01:18:41):
Awesome. Thank you. When always a lot of fun. Also big thanks to Victor in the studio here. Now in the studio here instead of at home. So he's usually, you know, aray behind the scenes and everything, but also he made that amazing Ron B so amazing. Thank you for that, for that awesome surprise. Also, thanks to Burke. Who's behind the board. Who's pushing the buttons, making it happen every once in a while saying words and that, that as well. I don't know why that's in there, but there we go. Thank you, Burke. You can find me on Twitter at Jason Howell. Find me on another show. I do here at TWiT tech news weekly, do that every Thursday with mic a Sergeant, an interview based show have a lot of fun with that And don't forget, we have club TWiT, which is

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