All About Android Episode 566 Transcript
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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up next on All About Android. It's me, Jason Howell. And I'm somewhere familiar joined by Ron Richards and Florence Ion. And we have a show for you. Flow actually has as, as do I, the Samsung galaxy S 22 ultra AKA. The next note flow gives us her review. Also a more private Android could be coming soon. Could the nothing brand of smartphones, the one that hasn't actually been announced yet, could that possibly be the next enthusiast brand? I don't know. We'll talk about that. Also. Shortwave is basically Google inbox. Don't fold your OnePlus 10, whatever you do, don't fold it. And we have a bunch of your email on a whole lot more next on All About Android.
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Jason Howell (00:00:55):
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Ron Richards (00:01:46):
If you add 5, 6, 6 together, that's 11 that doesn't work either. Hi, I promise
Jason Howell (00:01:51):
Truth
Florence Ion (00:01:53):
And I am Florence Ion and I would like to be here on episode 6, 6, 6, please.
Jason Howell (00:01:59):
Oh yeah, totally.
Ron Richards (00:02:00):
We can, we can figure that out.
Jason Howell (00:02:01):
We can make that happen. That's not too far away actually.
Ron Richards (00:02:04):
Sorry. No, it's not. That's good. Discuss next year possibly, right. Or
Jason Howell (00:02:08):
Probably, yeah, maybe that's the two years out possibly, but still it's also
Ron Richards (00:02:13):
Also crazy that this is episode 566 just right now. Just that's crazy alone.
Jason Howell (00:02:19):
Oh yeah. When we stop to slow down to think about how many episodes we've done. It is crazy. I will say the other show I do for TWI tech news weekly last week's episode was in fact episode 222. So it's kind of, I like unfortunate that TNW doesn't record on Tuesdays and started one week later, because if so then we'd be episode
Ron Richards (00:02:40):
Had, had you known, had you known, had
Jason Howell (00:02:42):
You looked forward? Yeah, just, just didn't know it would've been worth delaying the launch for a week in order to make it happen, but
Ron Richards (00:02:49):
Well, despite it, the number's not lining up, it is 2, 2, 2, 2, 2. And it is so nice to see you 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, ah, and not only that flow back on the show, but Jason, you are in a very familiar spot that I have not seen for a while.
Jason Howell (00:03:03):
Yeah. Remember the last time I returned to the studio after the long national nightmare being over and then like six weeks later, I was back in the corner of my bedroom soaking. I barely remember. Yeah. I barely remember too. That's just the life we live right now, but yes, I'm back list. They've lifted for the most part. They lifted most of the mask mandates here in Sonoma county and in California at large, you know? So you know, here at the studio, I'm, I'm triple, well, I'm not triple VED, I'm VED and boosted, but I got the Johnson Johnson first time. So I dunno what you count that, but anyways, I'm allowed in. So the, they let me come in and you know, they didn't spray me with disinfectant on my way in, so I'm good.
Ron Richards (00:03:45):
That's good. And, and you found out that Burke has been living in the studio all this time, like the hunchback and Notre Dame. Yep. Jesus. It was, it was funny during the pre show. And it's funny in the actual show, I stand by it.
Florence Ion (00:03:56):
Why is the darkest Disney movie too at BT Ron for you to be bringing into this? And I don't know that I want to associate Burke with that because I have a soft spot for Burke. Hi Burke. You're my favorite.
Jason Howell (00:04:08):
Hi. Yeah. I'm looking
Florence Ion (00:04:11):
Always make friends.
Ron Richards (00:04:13):
Yeah. Who makes friends? Always, always makes friends with the, with the, with the receptionist, the maid and Burke.
Jason Howell (00:04:19):
Yep. You, I mean, Burke pushes the buttons around here. You don't wanna get on this bad side, as we've noticed through the Burke, Ron kind of curfuffle that
Florence Ion (00:04:28):
I learned that early Ron is barely still learning.
Ron Richards (00:04:32):
I love Burke. I, I, the fact that I've known Burke, as long as I've known him now. And even though it still feels like we're so far apart, both emotionally, but still it's good, but flow let's change the subject flow. It's good to see you.
Jason Howell (00:04:44):
Yeah. Good to have you backflow.
Florence Ion (00:04:47):
Hi guys. I I'm, you know, I'm just so happy that like, we, we can do this. Yeah. You know? Yes. And I look forward to when I will overlap with, you know, our, our new co-host
Jason Howell (00:05:02):
That's right. It's gonna happen one of these days. It, it keeps like it's not even by design. It keeps just working out where one happens to be out. And the other happens to be coming in. It'll happen one of these days.
Florence Ion (00:05:12):
Promise it. Yeah, it definitely will. And you know what I'm really looking forward to just because I wanna get everybody hyped up for a little bit. Remember that the year is still just at the beginning. I know we're almost through February.
Jason Howell (00:05:24):
I know it's, it's almost, it's almost a quarter of the way done
Ron Richards (00:05:28):
Still at the beginning.
Florence Ion (00:05:30):
Let's let's think about this in terms of, we've got at least two months until Google IO.
Jason Howell (00:05:35):
Oh, that's
Ron Richards (00:05:36):
True.
Jason Howell (00:05:37):
You put it that way.
Florence Ion (00:05:38):
I'm just saying there's a lot of stuff to look forward to. That's talking about, you know, and analyzing, and,
Ron Richards (00:05:44):
And, and as we talked about last week, Android, 13 developer review, preview, or version one is out, right. So the wheels are turning on this year. Next thing you know, we'll be talking about the Hamon at mobile world Congress.
Jason Howell (00:05:56):
Yeah. I think isn't WC. Isn't that next week.
Ron Richards (00:05:59):
I think it's, I think it is. Yeah. So yeah.
Florence Ion (00:06:01):
It's so weird and surreal getting pitched on it because I'm not going and I'm not like I still can't plan anything. My child remains UN vaccinated because of not proof of her age group yet. So in my mind, not thing is happening, but it's very much, the wheels are turning. Things are happening. Things will get announced the next couple of weeks, especially in this realm of Android. Yeah. So there's things to look forward to.
Jason Howell (00:06:29):
I'll be curious to see how like the the journalist activity around mobile world Congress compared to CES. Right? Cause CES was a little early and there was still a lot of kind of hesitation. Now a lot of things have changed, have shifted anyways, at least here in the us. So I wonder how that's gonna impact mobile Congress. I'll to look into seeing who we, who we pull onto the show next week. Maybe someone that, that is there so they can talk about it.
Ron Richards (00:06:55):
Or at least they could talk about the humal.
Jason Howell (00:06:58):
That's really all we care about.
Ron Richards (00:07:00):
So, so before I know we're I know that we're and I apologize, listeners. I haven't seen flown for a while flow. What are in your ears right now?
Florence Ion (00:07:09):
Oh, the galaxy buds too.
Ron Richards (00:07:11):
I thought those are the galaxy buds too. How they work it out?
Florence Ion (00:07:15):
I still love them. I so TMI moment for a second here. Okay. I've been trying to figure out what's going on with my ears though. Oh, because I just found out recently and you can go ahead and, and make fun of me, of the, for this, whatever I'm giving you leeway. I just found out you're not supposed to like use Q-tips in your ear.
Jason Howell (00:07:38):
Oh, Flo. Oh, you're
Ron Richards (00:07:40):
Not that snooze to me.
Jason Howell (00:07:42):
Yeah. No, well, no. Yeah. You're not supposed to because if you have any ear w wax in your ears, you end up just pushing it further and further in. You think you're getting it out, but you're actually compacting. Yeah. This
Florence Ion (00:07:52):
Happened to me. I might be on a TLC show some days soon, getting that extracted. I don't know, by the way they do that. Yes. Now on reality TV. Oh,
Jason Howell (00:07:59):
That's just, that's gross. Absolutely. No one watch that show.
Florence Ion (00:08:03):
I know it's anyway. It's
Jason Howell (00:08:04):
Like the pimple poppers is
Florence Ion (00:08:05):
Don't watch, it's say that is all to say that as comfortable as these are for like falling asleep at night. I, yeah, I'm definitely cannot wear them. Like after this show, I will not be able to wear them the rest of the night.
Jason Howell (00:08:17):
Yeah.
Florence Ion (00:08:18):
So it's like I have to choose is the timeline's
Jason Howell (00:08:22):
It's Ron's nightmare is what you're talking about. It
Ron Richards (00:08:24):
Is my, it is my nightmare. That's my number. That's exactly my nightmare. That's
Florence Ion (00:08:27):
Horrible. I know.
Ron Richards (00:08:29):
Oh
Florence Ion (00:08:29):
My God. And I'm sorry. I I'm actually, this is something I'm looking into because I, my itchiness has increased since I've been like using more butts that go in the ear. Cause I over the head cans person. So yeah, I just, I guess I'm letting everyone know this TMI thing that I'm looking into
Jason Howell (00:08:45):
Right now. Wait, you know what T I, I will see your TMI and I'll raise you TMI because sometimes Missouri loves company. I don't know how many years ago this was that's
Ron Richards (00:08:53):
Missouri, Missouri, by
Speaker 7 (00:08:54):
The way. Sorry.
Jason Howell (00:08:55):
I said misery, what, what did you think? I said mystery or something? Yeah, misery anyways,
Florence Ion (00:09:01):
Back in the studio
Jason Howell (00:09:02):
Anyways. No, you're right. You're right. About five years ago, I think I actually went into the doctor cuz I was having a hard time hearing out of an ear. And it's exactly what you're talking about flow. They ended up doing this a like extraction. I'm not gonna go into detail, but I will say, I will say on the other end of it, like it was a whole new world. Like I could hear, I had bionic hearing when, when I was done in that approach.
Ron Richards (00:09:26):
I think about doing that. I should think about doing that cause I can, I cannot hear very well and I use Q-tips and wow. I wonder if I should, but you
Florence Ion (00:09:34):
Also like spent your youth at some of the loudest things.
Jason Howell (00:09:37):
Yeah, that's true. I, there are other, I
Ron Richards (00:09:39):
Mean, I mean, flow spent my youth. I mean, you mean if I'm used to, into my forties don't yeah.
Jason Howell (00:09:46):
And you never grew up. Yeah.
Ron Richards (00:09:50):
I feel so bad. I'll walk into the room. My kids be watching TV and I'll turn the volume up and my wife be like, what are you doing? I'm like, you can't even hear it. And they'll be like too loud,
Jason Howell (00:09:58):
Loud, too loud, Joe. You're my dad. Yes, you're my dad. Oh
Ron Richards (00:10:02):
My God.
Jason Howell (00:10:03):
That's that's my dad. I could hardly be in the room when he is watching TV for that very reason. Hey, why don't we talk about Androids things?
Florence Ion (00:10:10):
We were just catching up guys,
Jason Howell (00:10:12):
You
Florence Ion (00:10:12):
Know, it's good for the show.
Jason Howell (00:10:14):
If we actually had comments on our YouTube channel, there would be one comment that said, you know, 10 0 3 news begins, you know, just for the, for the people that are like, I don't care about your lives. I just wanna know about Android anyways. Yeah, so let's dive right in. But before we do, actually I just wanna say real quick, twi.tv/survey 22, I'm saying it at the top of the show, because then you're more likely to hear it pretend, but we're doing an audience survey. We only have one week left on this and so oh, there's even music attached to it. Oh, there's okay. Yeah. Twi.Tv/Survey 22, take it real quick. It lets us know what you want, what you don't like about what we're doing, who you are. You can answer as much or as little as you want. It's very, you know, private privacy focused. It's really just to form us about if we're doing a good job and if we could do be doing a better job, how that could be done. So twi.tv/survey 22, that's all I'm gonna say about that. All right. Burke. I know you've been itching to push the button. It's time for the news.
Jason Howell (00:11:12):
He's just side.
Speaker 7 (00:11:16):
Yeah. I don't know. I it's, it's something about me losing all the privacy of the studio to somebody coming in now.
Jason Howell (00:11:25):
Oh, you
Speaker 7 (00:11:25):
Know what to do.
Jason Howell (00:11:26):
I feel that there's a correlation between the top story today and Burke losing the studio to, to people like me, me. Yeah. To life, to the opening of life, to spring. So yeah, so I guess this was the big Android news of the week is just that privacy changes are a foot for Android specifically. Google is, has been kind of working on how you balance the the needs slash desires of advertisers, which, you know, takes the form of targeting and the needs of users. And what users are asking for a lot more is more privacy, right? They had something that they're still kind of conceptualizing for Chrome called privacy sandbox. And this was something that they introduced, I'd say a little over a year ago as an idea. And it's still kind of in process, but as a way to eliminate or reduce, or I'm not really entirely sure tracking cookies and cross site tracking, essentially what Google wants to do is they want to kind of down on the ways that we track in, in the, you know, the very many problematic, you know, attachments and associations with tracking online.
Jason Howell (00:12:42):
And, but still come up with a way that advertisers can, you know, target ads. And it doesn't sound like a very easy thing to do. But the, the big news this week was not about Chrome is about Android. Google basically announced like, Hey, you know, apple did this thing called app tracking transparency. We wanna do that too. And so we're gonna bring this privacy sandbox thing over to Android, although it kind of sounds like they're gonna be doing it a little bit less. I don't know what the right word is. Apple really just like pulled off the bandaid. Right. And so as a result, companies like Facebook lost a lot of money. Facebook blamed, you know, a large part of their, their revenue drop to apples changes in app privacy. It's an, it's an opt-in system where you basically an app ask you can this app track you.
Jason Howell (00:13:31):
And of course, if you're asked that as a user, often times, I think most users are probably gonna be like no, I don't wanna be tracked. I, you know, we're hearing all about the, how bad tracking is. I don't want that. And so they opt out and as a result, you know, all these a me mechanisms fall apart, Google doesn't wanna disrupt things that much, but they do wanna change things. And that's about where my knowledge of what exactly they're creating ends, cuz it's really kind of early right now and a little bit confusing. But but I appreciate the concept and the, and the thought behind it. I'm curious to know what you guys think.
Florence Ion (00:14:06):
Mm yeah. Slow it's, it's appreciated, you know, that they are doing this sort of, you know, nice little Hey look at us. We're like we really thinking about your privacy. We're seeing like what apple is. Well, I guess I don't quite recall if there was mention of that, but obviously the underlying thought is there that this is just kind of where the industry is going. I did love the conversation last week around this around Facebook slash meta, just what's been going on there, which has been a complete interesting
Jason Howell (00:14:43):
Beep beep show.
Florence Ion (00:14:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I really can't think of other words to describe it, unfortunately. And
Jason Howell (00:14:54):
But
Florence Ion (00:14:54):
With regards to Google, you know, a lot of people were uttering like, well, they're really scared about, you know, what's going on with the antitrust hearings and trying to like make business happen overseas where things are to tightening up a little bit more. So I think for the, the long term, this is probably the smart move.
Jason Howell (00:15:16):
Yeah.
Florence Ion (00:15:17):
It was the inevitable smart move. And you know, I'm, I'm waiting for people to tell me, like what's actually sinister about it. Right. Cuz there's always some sort of edge.
Jason Howell (00:15:27):
Yeah. Right. But everybody's always looking for the thing to, to kind of poke at and be like, either it's not good enough or it's, you know, they're saying it's one thing and it's actually something else. What do you think, Ron, are you, do you are, are you happy with at least knowing that Google is thinking in these ways as far as
Ron Richards (00:15:45):
Well? Yeah. I mean, I, I don't see how you cannot be happy that they'll at least not thinking about it in these ways, you know, like having live through, you know, ancillary live through the apple change and seeing that, what, what that did to other, you know, kind of other partners and things like that. You see that what it has the effect on. Yeah. And it's like what you lose in revenue, you gain in user joy or user happiness or user protection, which is way more important than advertising revenue. But for me it's just the underlying you know, proof that the ad BA you know, the advertising revenue based model that all of this is built on is fundamentally flawed is that we, you know, we want privacy and we want control and we wanna be able to turn ads off and opt out and stuff like that.
Ron Richards (00:16:27):
And guess what? That means that the companies don't make any revenue, you know, like it is just this weird, like a, I, I, I, it's less, for me, it's less about the privacy and more about the ad business side of it, because the privacy's a no brainer. We wanna give user privacy. We want to empower users. I find it fascinating when I think about the economy of this digital world that we live in, which you know, is built on the economy of an advertising based world that we were all raised in. Right. Like, you know, I admittedly I'm a Jacker, you know, I, I, I, I know what the world was like before the internet. And you turn on the TV and you watch TV shows that had ads that ad breaks and you didn't, nobody really complained about them. You know, like it's just something that we lived with.
Ron Richards (00:17:07):
Every magazine, every newspaper had ads in them. And now we're in this world where the, the digital, you know, kind of extension of this world was created and they just replicated that old model. But oh, guess what? Now, the technology allows you to block ads or to opt out or to whatever. And now those revenues are plummeting and we still haven't figured out an alternative. And, you know, and so like, I just think that it's more indicative of how the economy of this entire digital world needs to evolve rather than continuing to put bandaids around this outdated model that doesn't work, that doesn't pair match up with this technology. So I know I got a little more economics than privacy, but that's kinda where I fall.
Jason Howell (00:17:46):
No, I think, I think, but I think going economics with this story is actually a huge part of, of the reason why it exists in the first place, right? Like, you know, at the end of the day, this is about capitalism. This is about making money. These advertisers, you know, know how valuable this data is. Ron Amadio over ours, Technica, you know, the, the headline of his coverage of this, he calls this privacy sandbox toothless. And, you know, part of the reason for that is because from my understanding, from his understanding is that developers will be in a position to decide whether they support it or not. So it's kinda like, and, and who knows how this is gonna develop over time. And, you know, because there isn't a whole lot of details to go off of here, but Ron seems to believe that, like, you know, if advertisers really wanted, you know, he, he makes the point.
Jason Howell (00:18:33):
If, if they wanted to make a change, they could make that change today. He says, advertisers don't actually need to wait for a technical solution to be finished, but Google isn't necessarily making this a mandatory shift. So how much of a change would it actually have? Once it launches the, I, you know, maybe that's the, the differentiator between how Android is proposing to do something like this, versus how apple did it, which was really, like I said, pulling off the bandaid and just saying, Nope, like you know, you're just gonna have to kind of deal with it. And maybe that's what the industry needs, but Google's business is entirely, you know, they, they make most of their money off the UR ads anyways. So, you know, they've got a lot to lose. If things change in a historic way, they wanna be in control of some of this stuff. I'll just be curious to see how effective it is.
Ron Richards (00:19:22):
And, and that's the thing is that, that they're trying to, it can almost be argued that apple went too fast and hard, but in favor of the users and not in favor of the advertisers. And it seems like Google's trying to kind of have its cake and eat it
Jason Howell (00:19:36):
Too. Yeah, totally.
Ron Richards (00:19:37):
And, and how successful is that in the digital world? Have we seen? I don't know. So,
Jason Howell (00:19:42):
Yeah. Yep. So there we go. Nothing, nothing that you're gonna see immediately. This is, this is kind of a story that's gonna develop over time. I think they said there gonna be potentially a beta launch by the end of the year was what one one report said testing at a larger scale next year. So we're at least a year out for, from knowing what exactly what the form is that this is gonna take. And then even further out to know, to really understanding how much uptake you know, is, is gonna happen as a result of it. So we will see we'll find out,
Florence Ion (00:20:17):
We will see, know what else we're looking for. We're looking for more problems with the pixel six,
Jason Howell (00:20:23):
Because there are, there have been so many, I mean, not with mine, but with a lot of other peoples, it seems like all these problems haven't affected me, but they've affected plenty. The pixel six owners.
Florence Ion (00:20:33):
You know, I was thinking about that too, when I was looking at the rundown today, because, and we'll get to this in a bit, we're talking about Samsung it's, we'll get to this in a bit, actually, let me save it for that. So we've still got some issues going on with the pixel six. The February security patch has actually resulted in some users having serious issues with wifi, which is an absolute no, no, because a lot of us are still at home, relying on, said wifi to get the work done true because the machine never stops turning. So the wifi problem, apparently it shuts off randomly while the device is locked. And then it just simply does not turn back on at all. Now Google says that this affects a small number of devices and that a fix will be included in the March update. And that's just around the corner the month that is, we don't know if the update is just around the corner, but it's implied. Some folks have found that the issue is fixed by installing the Android 12 L beta three build, but that's, you know, that's not accessible for everybody. So I guess just wait a couple of weeks at this point.
Jason Howell (00:21:42):
Yeah. Only another couple of weeks. And then all the problems are gonna be solved for the pixel six. Just you wait and see if what's,
Ron Richards (00:21:48):
What's so funny is that this remind, like, I, I, I, I do believe that this is affecting a small number of people because I'm on the pixel six and I haven't seen this. I mean, Jason, have you seen it?
Jason Howell (00:21:55):
No, I haven't seen this.
Ron Richards (00:21:56):
Yeah.
Jason Howell (00:21:57):
But actually, actually I should, I should correct though. I think now I ended up getting the, the automatic beta update for the Android 12 L beta three. So even think I'm on this, this update anymore, the, the 12 L beta three doesn't doesn't have this issue. So that's why I'm not seeing it.
Ron Richards (00:22:16):
No. But I will say I've still, I've not turned back on 5g in fear of battery drain. And in fact, I was laughing when I was on, when I was out earlier this month, I, you know, I was on LTE the whole time cuz the like, oh, I'm traveling. I don't want my battery to drain on the, on pixel six, but I'm like, oh, I wonder if that's even fixed or not. And I thought about turning it back on, but like, yeah, I'm not gonna risk it. I'm just gonna stay on LTE. And guess what? I didn't even note like I, LTE is just fine. It is so fast. I don't need 5g. So they, but yeah. Yeah.
Jason Howell (00:22:47):
You know, shouldn't have to be the, that way,
Ron Richards (00:22:50):
But we haven't heard anything about them fixing that issue. Right? No. Did I miss something? No,
Jason Howell (00:22:54):
No I, no, not that I've heard who the heck knows at this point, at this point, we're closing in on six months after the release of the device, right. Has it already been almost six months? It was out of the end of October. Right? So November, October, December, January, February, March. Okay. So we're closing it on five months, but still
Ron Richards (00:23:11):
So in the chat room, scooter extra says my pixel six pros at 80% battery right now let's play this game. My pixel six is at 63% battery after unplugging it at roughly 7:00 AM this morning,
Jason Howell (00:23:23):
84%,
Ron Richards (00:23:24):
84%. Not bad Burke. There you go.
Jason Howell (00:23:26):
51 is my 5g IST working
Ron Richards (00:23:28):
51%
Jason Howell (00:23:29):
51%.
Ron Richards (00:23:30):
Ooh. Why is yours at 51%? Do you have 5g turned on?
Jason Howell (00:23:34):
I always have 5g turned on.
Ron Richards (00:23:35):
Oh, but that problem doesn't exist on the pro. It just exists on the six, right?
Jason Howell (00:23:38):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like 51% at this ti at this time of day is pretty darn good.
Florence Ion (00:23:43):
Yeah. Oh yeah. That's great. Yeah. Yeah.
Ron Richards (00:23:47):
You've
Jason Howell (00:23:47):
Made, it's not always like today. Yeah. It's not always like that, but but yeah, I, I don't encounter battery issues with the six pro I mean, it's, I have never not made it to the end of the day and really at the end, at the end of the day, that's the only metric that I really care about. Right. Like as long as it makes it from the charger in the morning to the charger at night, I don't care if it's like at 1% and I'm, and I'm laying down for bed, if it's at 1% and I still get it on the charger. Great. It made it. That's all I really care about. So, but anyways.
Ron Richards (00:24:16):
All right, well, so from the from the category of anticipated devices Carl pays startup. Nothing might be really leasing a phone this year. Oh.
Ron Richards (00:24:28):
Carl pay teased on Twitter last week, quote unquote, back on Android and Android and snap drag and Twitter accounts that jumped into his replies, talking about a future, nothing smartphone and back in November CEO and VP of nothing in nothing India, Manu Sharma hit at five products currently in development. And it's easy to think that one of those would be a phone, especially considering nothing bought essential where it was left of essential in 2020. So good question with all the, you know, all the, the sparkle falling off of one plus could nothing replace one plus is the next enthusiast brand. I don't know. What do you you think, do you think, are you excited for the nothing phone or is it gonna be a lot of nothing?
Florence Ion (00:25:12):
I guys, I just don't know what is happening with this little click of phone people.
Jason Howell (00:25:20):
Cause that's little click of phone people.
Florence Ion (00:25:23):
Well, because I, you know, the, the three of us, we kinda can look a little more inward on this stuff than, you know, just like the average person reading this article. And so I kind of know, like in my head, these brands that all worked with each other, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause I don't what I'm trying to say is that, and again, we'll get into this, in this Samsung song portion, but I am trying decide like what my phone would be this year and I'm having a hard time because I loved the last two, one pluses. And like Carl pay is not there anymore. He's talking about finally doing things with the, the nothing, but I'm just like, where are you gonna pull in that? Prowes from, because at least OnePlus had the backing of, you know, the big oppo oppo to kind of like pull from,
Jason Howell (00:26:11):
And now they're one in the same really.
Florence Ion (00:26:13):
Yeah. And, you know, and look how long it took Google. I mean, first we had the nexus and then they scrapped that let's start it over, do the pixel. And it took them what, six years to kind of like get to this place where they knew what they were doing. So we need to move a little faster, Carl.
Jason Howell (00:26:31):
Yeah. You're not creating a phone that you haven't announced fast enough. Well, I,
Florence Ion (00:26:37):
I mean, I understand, okay. Let's SI you know, a supply chain issues aside in all seriousness.
Jason Howell (00:26:42):
Yeah, totally. That's a, that's a big issue. I
Florence Ion (00:26:44):
Understand all this teasing going on, but like yeah, they moved a little faster when OnePlus was around where's where's this nothing.
Jason Howell (00:26:52):
Yeah. I suppose that was probably you're, you're probably right. That that probably had to do with the oppo oppo. However you say that relationship that it seemed like for, for, for quite a few years, it was this like secret kind of like people in the know, know that OnePlus and oppo have, you know, are related in some way, but exactly. But it really wasn't talked about until suddenly it was, and now it's like, you can't even ignore or deny it because like they've literally merged forces. So it's, you know, so there was probably some EC extra expertise and manufacturing pipeline and all that stuff in place for OnePlus to do what it did. But Carl pay has a pretty solid you know, solid resume. He was pretty, you know, Inc. He was pretty important in the, in the OnePlus story. And you know, it's not like he doesn't have a hardware company. They they've, you know, they, they basically mentioned that nothing is gonna create a lot of hardware. They bought essential. So that, that tells me that there is smartphones somewhere in the, in the, I forgot
Florence Ion (00:27:58):
About essential and that they had bought that tattered more and down for leftover barn of things.
Jason Howell (00:28:07):
Oh yes. Barn of things was, was the part of things, the pile of essential, but there, but there were, there was some good innovation in that pile of things. I think, I, I think they probably got some stuff with value that will help when watching a smartphone. I just dunno when that's gonna be. But I do think that the question that you asked Ron, like I think if, if nothing comes out with a smartphone, a it's gotta be a compelling smartphone right. Sure. Through, but OnePlus has really left a vacancy in the enthusiast kind of smartphone world. And I could see, you know, Carl pay being attached to nothing, you know, a company that's already launched. Okay. It was a pair of headphones, nothing, whatever, watch nothing. But you know, it was a pair of headphones that was a little bit different than what everybody else was doing. So there's there's enough ingredients there that I would be super curious to see if that's what nothing becomes something, oh,
Ron Richards (00:29:05):
Oh, I'm a hundred, I'm a hundred percent with you. I, I think that, you know, the, the, the headphones while in ear and not on my radar, I thought were interesting enough. Like, I wanna see what else they do with the phone. And going back to the essential thing, you know, if the, if the, you know, the India CEO said, they've got five devices in the pipeline. Yeah. You know, so obviously one being a phone, but no one that they got essentials assets. Do you think that we'll see what was supposed to be the essential Google home? I, you know, home oh,
Jason Howell (00:29:33):
Right. That never,
Ron Richards (00:29:34):
That never got released. Right. Yeah. So, I mean, like, I would be really interested, like if nothing, instead of just rolling out headphones that a phone and doing a slow and ITER, they're like, boom, here is the nothing ecosystem. And it's, and it's the phone, it's the home device, it's a TV. It's like, it's all these kind of things that make a big, you know, kind of a big kind of splash. Right. Because if you look at it I I'm looking up how much they've raised. I, I can't imagine, imagine that when you type, oh yeah. So nothing has raised 50, 50 million as of October 21, they raised another 50 million, another
Jason Howell (00:30:15):
50 million.
Ron Richards (00:30:15):
Yeah. So that, so their total funding is 74 million to date. So flow, you talk about like the, the gravitas or the, or the, the, the clout of having APA behind him or something like that. You, you know, hand somebody 74 million to go make stuff that, that, that will go pretty far. Will
Jason Howell (00:30:32):
It, for some reason, I I'm hearing that
Ron Richards (00:30:35):
Even with hardware being hardware, I think that they, you know,
Jason Howell (00:30:39):
I don't think that that takes you to the point to, or nothing can release an entire family of devices and say, here's your whole ecosystem. I think they need a, I would guess, like, I guess I've never worked in, in this facet of the industry, but for whatever reason, 71 million or whatever it is, doesn't sound like a whole lot when you're launching, when you're trying to launch a successful kind of new, you know, smartphone, flagship, flagship, smartphone, whatever, everything like maybe one device, maybe a smartphone, but not a smartphone. And, and the rest of all the other devices, you know, they, they probably have to be sure that their their whole channel to bring that one device to market is, is ironed out enough and solid enough before they can start bringing out the other stuff. That's just a guess. I have though. Yeah.
Ron Richards (00:31:23):
We'll
Jason Howell (00:31:23):
See. Yeah, we'll see.
Ron Richards (00:31:25):
I'm excited.
Jason Howell (00:31:26):
But yeah, I, I would, I'm totally interested in, in whatever they have you know, whatever they can come up with. But but again, we're totally speculating. This was literally off a tweet. We know
Ron Richards (00:31:38):
Nothing.
Jason Howell (00:31:38):
This is know nothing. We know nothing about nothing. You know, this is from a two wheat that Carl pay put out there that basically just said, I like Android. That's about all it said. And it led to a lot of speculation on a lot of different sites. And we're, we're included in that, but it's fine. And he
Florence Ion (00:31:54):
Knows that he does, he has effect
Jason Howell (00:31:56):
That too totally right. You're right. He does. Yeah. So, so true. So true. All right. Well, let's take a break and thank the of this episode of all, about Android. And then we can get back and we can get to, I would say the main event, which is flow. You reviewed the S 22 ultra, and I actually have it. I just got it like yesterday. So I've hardly done anything with it, but I'm super curious to hear what you have to say about that. We can jump into that after this break, this episode of All About Android is brought to you by Coinbase. You've heard of coin, right? Cryptocurrency it's, it's all the rage everybody's talking about it. You know, where can you buy cryptocurrency everything? Well, Coinbase is a name that comes up very often. When you hear about this, do you identify yourself as crypto curious, would you say, right, maybe you don't own crypto, but you're very curious about why everybody's talking about why the super bowl had tons of cryptocurrency advertisements.
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Ron Richards (00:35:24):
Oh, nothing, nothing better than when you guys have the hardware in hand. Oh, wait it as
Jason Howell (00:35:30):
Check this out, check this out. Scooter X just pointed out. It's the S 22 on 2 22, 22.
Ron Richards (00:35:38):
There it is. Oh
Florence Ion (00:35:38):
My God.
Ron Richards (00:35:40):
There it is.
Jason Howell (00:35:41):
Didn't even plan that, but that's awesome. Scooter
Ron Richards (00:35:43):
X, or did we Jason
Jason Howell (00:35:44):
Or did, oh, sorry. Yes, we did.
Ron Richards (00:35:46):
And also, as you can see as flow, hold the phone up for our video viewers watching the phone, the gala, the Samsung galaxy S 22 features 22 holes on the back of the filled with lenses and lights and, and connectors 2, 3, 3 22 21 22. Yes,
Jason Howell (00:36:05):
Totally. Totally forget the flash
Ron Richards (00:36:07):
That's 1 22 holes. It's amazing. So
Jason Howell (00:36:12):
Not over exaggerating at all, Ron. So you've got the 22 oh ultra also known as the note reincarnated because it, it holds the Spen in the device. This really is a note by another name. Right. That's, that's exactly what it is.
Florence Ion (00:36:30):
Yes. It really is. Just the note, everything in the,
Ron Richards (00:36:33):
It's just a note by any other name. Yeah. Yeah.
Florence Ion (00:36:36):
You know, I had to think about that quote by the way. And I realized like I did not pay attention in Shakespeare at all. Hmm. Just being honest there, but anyway, so yeah, this is the, this is the ultra I'm gonna do this. So we don't do the glare from my screen, but this is the back of the ultra. And you'll notice it has five lens looking like things on the back. They're not all lenses. Only four of them are actual cameras. And I've used them all a lot extremely extensively. And, you know, I felt like instead of me just rattling off specs, like, do you guys wanna just ask me stuff?
Ron Richards (00:37:12):
Yeah.
Florence Ion (00:37:12):
So we can make this because I've just been like living with this and I wrote about it and I'm sick of writing about it. So if you could ask me that would make it so much easier for me to talk about.
Jason Howell (00:37:21):
Yeah. Because I don't think we need to do the, the standard, you know, spec rattle off thing. We've been kind of shying away a little bit from that. It's, it's a little mind numbing when we do that. If
Ron Richards (00:37:30):
You read it, you can read it on GSM arena or whenever follow there, you know, like phone site, you
Florence Ion (00:37:34):
Or gizmoto.com
Ron Richards (00:37:36):
Gizmoto.Com.
Jason Howell (00:37:37):
Exactly. You probably wanna go to GI motor.com, just do a search Florence ion you'll find it. Yeah. So I mean right off the top. So I actually, earlier today pulled out, I had the note, I guess it's the last note. I wish I had brought it in today, but I totally forgot to bring it in. And then this one and I pulled them out and I literally put them side by side on top of each other. They are the same size. They're the same thickness. The Spen is in the same spot. So it truly is, this truly is like a note by a different name, like
Ron Richards (00:38:08):
The
Florence Ion (00:38:08):
One that
Ron Richards (00:38:08):
Leo by. Yeah. How many holes did the other one have Jason?
Jason Howell (00:38:11):
Well, yeah. I mean, it's it, I can't remember if it's the five of them. I mean, it probably actually is because it's the old, you know, it's, it's the note as well, it's their, their premium. But you know, obviously it looks different back here. So what, where do we start with the note? I mean, you know, is there anything that you, that you realized that you couldn't do with this, that you could do with a normal note? Or was it pretty much like like a fax similarly, as far as that's concerned?
Florence Ion (00:38:39):
Ooh, a fax, huh?
Jason Howell (00:38:41):
Sorry. Throwing out old technology that we haven't talked about in, in decades, but there you go.
Florence Ion (00:38:46):
No, no, no. So here's the thing. I don't, I, even though I have the note in my possession and I have access to it, I do not feel like reaching for it probably because that it's not my primary phone, so anyway, I'm not reaching for it. But also the stylist just adds an extra step for me that I'm not interested in adopting into my lifestyle. So I,
Jason Howell (00:39:12):
It takes practice. It like it takes dedication to really get used to using the Spen and relying on the Spen. Yeah. I have a hard time with it too.
Florence Ion (00:39:20):
Exactly. Yeah. But I will say this because, you know, I have a lot of note users in my life and they figured out how to keep that Spen so snuggly in there that, yeah, you do forget that it's there. And then when you remember it's there, it's nice and helpful. So it, if you're willing to pay the extra, I'm gonna say $300 because the galaxy note, excuse me, see.
Jason Howell (00:39:44):
Yeah.
Florence Ion (00:39:45):
By the way, it's okay. Every review that you read of this, everybody made the same, like, oh yeah. I kept calling this the note because of us who have been yeah. And we've been using this phone for almost a decade. Yeah. This model of phone. And so I'm so programmed to
Jason Howell (00:40:02):
Call it. It's it's just a name. Totally. It's it's just a different name. Same device. Yeah, yeah,
Florence Ion (00:40:06):
Yeah. But it is, it's the ultimate Samsung phone you can buy. Totally. And so if you are willing to spend that extra 300, now back to that it's 1200 for the eight gigabyte of Ram version, but do not buy this phone and not get the 12 gigs of Ram. Yeah. Like you are wasting your money. If you do that, I'm, I'm just being honest with you agree Yet. The 12 gigs of Ram, I have only been living and operating with 12 gigs of Ram for the last two years. And I'm not going back to eight because it there's just no use to living with a minimum. If you're going to spend at least $1,200 on a phone. Yeah. Just try and find the extra hundredth somewhere. I don't know what to tell you. If we're already spending this much, just go get the 2 56, 12 gig version and work your way from there. I think you'll be a lot happier. So I wanna start
Jason Howell (00:40:58):
And, and that will help on longevity, longevity, longevity, longevity, for whatever reasons it is. Livity is what my brain wanted to do. It's weird being in the studio again, that will help for longevity, especially considering the fact that Samsung announced, you know, four full version updates five years of security updates. Right. And we're always talking about like wanting our phones to last longer, wanting them to get more updates at the end of the day, if you've maxed out the memory, you know, if you get, if you get the note and you get it maxed out, I have a really hard time believing that five years down the line, this thing's not, you know, it's gonna be in a way better position if you did that than than if you don't eight gigs versus 12 is a big difference as far as that's concerned. And we'll be especially in five years.
Florence Ion (00:41:47):
Yeah. But I, you know, okay. So we just quickly snapped to my review and gizmoto.com. And my headline is Samsung galaxy sooner too. Ultra is too much.
Jason Howell (00:41:58):
Is it too big or is it too expensive? What do you mean by too
Florence Ion (00:42:02):
Much? It's too much phone. It's too much. What do you mean by too much phone? There's just so I was very overwhelmed reviewing this device because there's so much about it. You can, you know, flip through and use and, oh, here's this new Spen feature and don't forget, you gotta try out all the cameras. It took me, I guess let's jump to the cameras. It took me a while to figure out how to use each of these four cameras, that fifth little camera lens that looks like a camera lens on the back is a depth sensor of, and you know, it's supposed to help with things like portraiture. Thank you, Jason. Thank God. By the way. Bless you Leo for buying the burgundy version, cuz that is the beautifulest one
Jason Howell (00:42:45):
Is outward. I think that's the version that he bought. He has his, this is actually a review unit that the rep from at and T sent me so
Florence Ion (00:42:54):
Well, how nice of at and T to send, do the burgundy one. Yeah. Well then it's very pretty.
Jason Howell (00:42:58):
It is nice. It is very
Florence Ion (00:43:00):
Nice. Yeah. It's, it's very pretty in person. I mean
Jason Howell (00:43:03):
The, the camera, the camera array is, is really striking. Like it's really nice. One thing I've noticed is, you know, when I carry this around in my pocket, this thing collects pocket dust around the camera is like nobody's Fisher
Florence Ion (00:43:15):
Said the same thing, Mr. Mobile also complaining about the dust. And when I saw he tweeted about that, I took this out of my purse right after I had reading that reading my goodness, my English right after I read that tweet. And yeah, it was covered in dust. I had to clean it meticulously before I took any pictures of it for my review, because they were, are so thick around there around the edges. And I told by the way, my mom this, because she was like, oh, you have the new phone. I've been thinking about buying it. And I told her about this. She's like, that's okay. I'll just, I'll just go to it. You know, I'll just clean it every time. It's okay for my mom.
Jason Howell (00:43:54):
I mean, it's also alar expensive device. So you probably wanna have some sort of, well, maybe, maybe you don't, but I would wanna have a case on it.
Florence Ion (00:44:03):
I had a case on it. So where did I, where did I put it?
Jason Howell (00:44:09):
Yeah, I've got
Florence Ion (00:44:11):
Oh, here it's. So I had this cheapy case, they me a, an actual case. I just haven't put it on yet. But I bought this case for 11 bucks on Amazon. Right. When they sent me the review, because, you know, I'm scared to like break these things and as you can see, it cuts out just like around to the camera. Right, right. So you're still gonna get a lot of dust around that regardless.
Jason Howell (00:44:34):
That's true. Still gonna collect in there. This is an in IIO case that in IIO sent me for review as Well's case. Yeah. It's gonna go, it kinda like a see through kind of thing, but you know, anytime you do that, it really does. Like, no matter how you slice it, it eliminates the kind of slenderness of, of what you have. Yes.
Ron Richards (00:44:53):
That's exactly what I was saying. As you snap that on and no, you know, nothing against Mississippi, this is what they do. They're making cases, but it goes from like an elegant modern device to what looks like a bulky, chunky. Totally. You know, like this is, this is why I don't like cases on my phones. Like this is why, you know, it's so
Jason Howell (00:45:11):
Yeah, in my life it's a necessary, necessary evil.
Ron Richards (00:45:14):
Yeah. Cause you're like, yeah. The, the, the drop from your hand to the ground. Yeah. It's it's yeah. It's, it's like too slows.
Jason Howell (00:45:21):
$1,500 device is gonna be shattered glass. If I, if I don't do something like this, but yeah, it does. It really does take away the, the slenderness of it. It, it takes up more space in, you know, all that kind of stuff, you know? So that's the, that's the trade off. Has the space for the S pin down
Florence Ion (00:45:37):
There. Yeah.
Jason Howell (00:45:39):
So then,
Florence Ion (00:45:40):
Well, yes.
Jason Howell (00:45:41):
Well, I was just gonna say so, so that's, that's kind of the, the look of the cameras and everything. Like I was really excited about the 10 X optical zoom and I played around with it a little bit like, oh yeah. I, I love me some like good optical zoom on my, on my camera phone. What did, what did you think of the cameras on, on this device?
Florence Ion (00:46:01):
They're fine. They're
Jason Howell (00:46:03):
Fine. Okay.
Florence Ion (00:46:04):
They're fine. Listen, I just finished writing the galaxy S 22 plus review. I think that is going up to ma or something on Gizmoto. And I noticed that, you know, the lowlight performance of both these devices now, there are two different camera senses. We'll get to that. The one that we're talking about here in the ultra is a 108 megapixel primary camera. And so what Samsung did with this camera, and this is why it took me a while to figure out this camera system. I actually had a meeting with Samsung after I got this phone to ask them for clarification on it, because I had no idea like what, what, what I was doing with all these cameras, the hundred eight megapixel camera, the primary, it does not shoot in 108 megapixels. What it does is it uses the, you know, the fancy, the Nona bidding technology, they talked about, which basically converts this is how I'm gonna try and explain it.
Florence Ion (00:47:00):
It basically converts that camera sensor into like the equivalent of a 12 megapixel with ultra pixels. And then that Nona binning array is like how it collects the data. That's what it relates to. Okay. That's what is contributing to these brighter clearer photos, but Samsung still has a problem with sharpness. Sharpness is something that, especially in the zoom mode, the, when I zoomed with the pixel six pro and that's a maximum 20 20 X digital zoom I could still get something that I could share to the internet. I did not feel that way with the zoomed in shots I took of with the ultra. And I did a lot of zooming with this thing as you'll see a on screen, I actually zoomed about a mile away to that final photo that you see all the way on the right. That's about a mile away from my back window. And it's really creepy how well you could see inside of people's windows. I
Ron Richards (00:48:05):
Definitely, oh, that's pretty. That's pretty
Florence Ion (00:48:06):
Cool. It's cool. But also creepy, you know, just the whole privacy implication, but lemme
Ron Richards (00:48:12):
Tell you its let's get honest. It's cool. It is.
Florence Ion (00:48:15):
So if you go back to my review, Gizmoto, you'll see that I actually included a picture of the space zoom on the full moon that we had last week. It was pretty incredible. Like you, I, I was really impressed with much. I got from that shot. This was about like, what seven, wait,
Ron Richards (00:48:33):
You took this photo, you
Florence Ion (00:48:35):
Took this. I took this photo with the ultra. My
Ron Richards (00:48:39):
Describe it for our audio listeners. Just so, so they're, they're aware of what we're looking at here.
Florence Ion (00:48:43):
So I have two photos spliced next to each other on the right. There's a photo of the moon. And you can see it as clear as if you were looking at it. I'm like a that's detail
Jason Howell (00:48:53):
That
Ron Richards (00:48:53):
It looks like a photo. It looks like a photo. Like in the encyclopedia, it looks like a telescope photo. Like you can see craters and like, this is like, I cannot believe you took this photo.
Florence Ion (00:49:04):
I can't either. And I didn't even take it with a tripod by the way. Oh my God. I took it just like resting. It, it against the, the bar of the little balcony I have in my back window. It was really impressive and that's what they, so space zoom just means digital zoom. It's just a really kitcheny marketing term and they say it because you can zoom into the mood and take this picture and it's shareable and it's cool. And then on the other side, too, what I had spliced into that photo was a picture of AESA that I saw just like out my window, which I used the space zoom for again. And I was really impressed with, you know, I was able to actually tell the model of the plane and you know, kind of like, look it up. I actually have a closer picture that I did and include in this, but it was, it was really impressive what you can do with the zoom. So if you're like a nature buff or a bird watcher, I could see you wanting to buy this ultra just like for your archival purposes. And just for, you know, having that tool on you at all times, it really is good for that.
Jason Howell (00:50:09):
Well, and if you're in a studio, so go ahead and show my camera, Robert. Okay. So this is wide. This is one X. This is what is the next step up? Is it two or four X? Probably two X it's, three X, three X. There we go. This is 10 X. So this is the optical zoom, which so it, so it's optical, right? So when you go in there, like it's, it's super sharp, like it's not a digital zoom at that point. And then are you ready for a hundred X inside of a studio?
Florence Ion (00:50:39):
No boy. Wow. You could look all the way to the back of my sofa.
Jason Howell (00:50:43):
Yeah, totally. I mean, I, I have this say they've
Speaker 7 (00:50:47):
This feature. Is that like the monitor that's behind you across the studio all the way. Yeah, it is.
Jason Howell (00:50:52):
Okay's it's that its that corner
Speaker 7 (00:50:53):
Right there on a television about 20, 30 feet away from you.
Jason Howell (00:50:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Right. So, I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy. But but yeah, so, you know, again, that moon looks really good. I think, depending on what you're taking picture of, if it's something that's really detailed with fine details and everything, that image is still probably gonna fall apart. But if it's like a broad kind of thing, at least it's usable. And I remember when this feature first came out, what two or three years ago, it was kind of laughable, but we even said at the time, like, all right, this is one of those features that every year they're gonna iterate and they're gonna improve. And at some point we're gonna be impressed by the quality of this. And I think that it's getting there, it's getting pretty impressive that they can do that with a hundred X digital zoom. That's pretty crazy.
Florence Ion (00:51:35):
Now I wanna quickly Burke before you load that on screen. Let me just preface by saying this. Okay. So you can take a picture of the moon. You could take a picture of a Sesna. You could take a picture of your neighbor's house a mile away, but the night Mo it still has such limitations compared to the Google pixel six pro, which is the one I tested it against same camera system on the pixel six, because Google puts all of the software smarts in there that tells the lens. It says, stay open for up to four minutes. And after about 10 seconds, it'll let you stop up taking the photo, and then you can let it just keep going for up to four minutes. Samsung doesn't do that. It has a maximum shutter open situation that it'll offer to you up to 30 seconds so far. So Burke, if you wouldn't mind loading this picture on screen, so I can show you what the pixel six pro did last night, it took this animation last night, like of the rain clouds that we're moving through.
Jason Howell (00:52:34):
So this was the pixel six. Is that right? Okay.
Florence Ion (00:52:37):
Pixel six pro never got anything like this from the ultra. And it was really disappointing. I, it, like I could do some cool things with like the expert Ram and with the little manual mode that they have, but it never came out something like this, and this is something by the way that the camera just spit out automatically on the pixel. And it just goes down to, it really is a lot of the software doing the work. Now, it doesn't really matter what you see on the spec sheet. What is the software doing? And Samsung's still working on that.
Jason Howell (00:53:10):
What we're looking at, cuz it's, cuz it's easy to think. That's daytime. That's actually dark. Nighttime. Is that right? This
Florence Ion (00:53:15):
Is 10:30 PM at night. Last night. No kidding.
Jason Howell (00:53:18):
It is raining. Wow.
Florence Ion (00:53:20):
Wow. And you can, by the way, if you would not guess that look at this, you can actually see the stars in, you know, above the clouds it's
Jason Howell (00:53:29):
Oh, I saw a, a little bit of them poking through. Yeah. it's pretty impressive. I mean it's a little blurry. I don't know if that's what, what that is kind of looks the
Florence Ion (00:53:38):
Problem with all these night modes guys. It's hard to get a focus point in the dark.
Jason Howell (00:53:41):
Yeah. Yeah. If that's true, that's true. Cameras
Florence Ion (00:53:43):
Will, will do their best in every situation, but you're not don't.
Jason Howell (00:53:49):
Yeah.
Florence Ion (00:53:50):
If you're into Astra photography, just buy yourself.
Jason Howell (00:53:53):
Right.
Ron Richards (00:53:55):
You don't
Florence Ion (00:53:55):
Need to, don't buy yourself a smartphone for this. Come on.
Jason Howell (00:53:59):
But it's cool that you can nice for cool. You can do it. Yeah,
Florence Ion (00:54:02):
Yeah, yeah.
Jason Howell (00:54:04):
Neat. There's something,
Florence Ion (00:54:06):
Some things to consider.
Jason Howell (00:54:07):
Yeah. So cameras kind of like in some ways really seems like it, it wowed you in other ways, kinda like, okay, well you can still do better. Which kind of seems to be the, the Samsung thing with cameras, which is not to say that their cameras are bad. But I feel like with, with Samsung's cameras, it's like, they're always almost the best. You know what I mean? It's like they're right there, but still, you know, at least in the Android world, I feel like Google still eeks it out. Somehow, you know, over Samsung's wide array of, of cameras on the back, you know, you have a lot more flexibility with Samsung cameras, but in some situations it's just not as easy to use or, or the quality just isn't quite as good as what you get on the pixel. That's what my experience anyways.
Florence Ion (00:54:50):
Yeah. I agree. I am gonna end this by saying you know, there are two other phones too, that Samsung launched alongside the S 22 plus and the S 22 reg. It's not, that's not, what's called, I just call it the, the reg for regular.
Jason Howell (00:55:08):
Why not? Why not the reg?
Florence Ion (00:55:11):
I know I should have said it like that. I really like this. I like this phone and everything that it can do genuinely. Yeah. I would wield this, but it's too big. So I think this plus might be more to people's liking.
Jason Howell (00:55:23):
Okay. And that's, and that's
Florence Ion (00:55:25):
Slightly different camera system.
Jason Howell (00:55:26):
Yeah, definitely. I mean, you know, less holes,
Ron Richards (00:55:29):
Less
Jason Howell (00:55:29):
Holes, strikingly different, right? Like three, the flush too, with the back it's
Florence Ion (00:55:34):
Like, I like
Ron Richards (00:55:36):
That. Yeah. That doesn't look offensive. Not that the other one looks offensive, but like, it looks in offensive where the other one looks borderline kind
Jason Howell (00:55:42):
Of like too big. The other one, I mean too big. The old draw really looks like a different family of phone by comparison. It does. Right? The S the S 22 and the 22 plus look like they're cut from the same cloth. The ultra actually looks like a completely different phone, which lends more C cred to the fact that it is a different phone. It's a note, it's not S 22, but
Florence Ion (00:56:00):
I, you know, how car manufacturers build like different models at different plants. So yeah. Yeah.
Jason Howell (00:56:06):
The ultra
Florence Ion (00:56:06):
Comes from the note plant.
Jason Howell (00:56:08):
Yeah. Right. Exactly. You're probably exactly right. So the S 22, plus you have in hand, are you working on a review on that? Like, is that something that some people that people can look forward to
Florence Ion (00:56:20):
Probably tomorrow on Gimo I think tomorrow being Wednesday, you're listening to this on a Tuesday night, most likely. And I'll give you the TLDR. It's very possible. This might be my next phone.
Jason Howell (00:56:32):
Oh, wow. Okay.
Florence Ion (00:56:33):
Wow. Okay. Wow. Cause I don't like the pixel.
Jason Howell (00:56:38):
Yes. We know. And that's that's okay. You
Florence Ion (00:56:41):
Don't have, I love the camera a system. I don't like the actual phone though. And I I'm sorry,
Jason Howell (00:56:48):
You don't have to be sorry. It's
Florence Ion (00:56:50):
It's this is just what happened to me this year. I, and you know, part of the reason I like this is cuz I actually like the way the iPhone 13 looks,
Jason Howell (00:56:58):
But
Florence Ion (00:56:58):
There's no way in the hell. I'm touching that. So,
Jason Howell (00:57:01):
And that, and that, that a design of that gets you closer to the, the design of the iPhone 13.
Florence Ion (00:57:07):
I like how mainstream this is. I don't even care. I'm saying it. I, I like how, like, this is such a cute pinkish Rose Golden person. Imagine how cute this would look with. Probably more case offerings than what hello.
Jason Howell (00:57:21):
Kitty stuff on it.
Florence Ion (00:57:23):
Yeah. Leave me a lone Burke.
Jason Howell (00:57:25):
I like, hello, kitty.
Florence Ion (00:57:27):
You better like hello kitty. Because I paid $2 for each of these of these. Oh,
Jason Howell (00:57:34):
What are they? The like background themes of their themes. Okay. Are
Florence Ion (00:57:37):
Yeah. The one you UI? Oh, I don't know about that.
Jason Howell (00:57:39):
So well, so then that's a lot to look forward to. If you're, if you're, you know, kind of declaring, this might be your next, next smartphone, then folks should definitely be on the lookout for what, whatever you published. When did you say you were gonna publish that? That's soon that maybe tomorrow.
Florence Ion (00:57:52):
Probably tomorrow. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. I know, because the thing is sometimes you just want, sometimes you just want something, but yeah, it's reliable.
Jason Howell (00:58:02):
Yeah. And I mean, there's no doubt about it. The ultra like lives up to his name. Right. And it did in the S 20 realm. It did in the note 20 ultra realm. I mean, they call it ultra for a reason. It's like everything. It's like everything in the kitchen sink and it's huge. So if you're getting it, like you gotta expect, like this is a massive device and yes, it's capable of a lot, but it might just be capable of more than you actually need. You know, so just keep that in mind just because it's top of the line doesn't mean you, you know, it's the right one for you. So yeah. Cool. Well, that's a, that's good walkthrough. Thank you. Flow.
Florence Ion (00:58:38):
Thanks for letting me work that out on you guys. I mean, this is all I've been studying for the last week and a half
Ron Richards (00:58:43):
The S the S 22 on 2 22, 22.
Jason Howell (00:58:47):
I love how that, that, that might have to be the title. Actually.
Ron Richards (00:58:50):
I think it's gotta be, I think it's gonna be well it's
Jason Howell (00:58:52):
Meant to be. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Maybe we'll do that. Okay. All right. We are not gonna just rest on those hardware laurels. No, we've got more coming up next.
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Ron Richards (00:59:37):
So much more. Do we have another bumper? Do we have more hardware bumper? No.
Jason Howell (00:59:41):
Okay,
Ron Richards (00:59:41):
Great. Fine. We'll do oh,
Jason Howell (00:59:44):
There go. All right. Sure.
Ron Richards (00:59:45):
Thanks Burke.
Jason Howell (00:59:47):
Burke's like, yeah, we do. I wanna push this button.
Ron Richards (00:59:50):
He's got more bumpers up in the bell tower than he knows what to do with. So alright. Staying on the Samsung tip tip of the Spen the galaxy Z three supported a special version of the Spen. The problem though, was that it had nowhere to live in the device, which required a special case for docking the Spen. Well, the galaxy Z fold four could change that according to a report from the elect there will be a silo inside the device for the Spen. Oh because an external case is just silly. But fair question is how much thickness will this add to the device, right? Is gonna make it a lot more chunky. You gotta, you gotta Ima you gotta at least hit the thickness of the pen plus around it for the silo itself. The reports says the displays will be about the same as the Z fold three.
Ron Richards (01:00:43):
So that also means the outer display will continue to be tall and narrow. And so imagine in your mind's eye, the galaxy Z fold three, but with a silo to carry the Spen, does anybody really want the Spen? That's what I don't understand. I don't know. I'm not, I'm not an Spen person, but I've never walked a mile in its shoes. But like, if you have the, I feel like the Z fold three or Z, Z fold four, if you're a Z fold user, I feel like the Spen is not in the event diagram. I feel like those are two things that are don't connect, but that's just me. I don't know. I mean,
Jason Howell (01:01:20):
It's a larger space to, you know, if you, if you truly use your Spen for like art, arty things, you know, it's a larger screen to do to use that with maybe there's gonna be a Z fold four and a Z fold, four ultra, like maybe they take the ultra and go with the Z fold direction and say, Hey, here's one with the Spen that docs in it, because you're right. Not everybody that wants the Z fold is going to want the Spen. So that's, you know, and I don't know if it's gonna tack on cost. It could definitely tack on thickness. And when we're talking about the foldable devices, like that's what my mind immediately jumps to is when those, when that sucker is folded up, that thing is huge. And if you're talking about a little bit huge so that you can fit an Spen in the design, I don't know, like I don't, you're talking a huge brick that you have to carry around at that point. So they
Florence Ion (01:02:09):
Need to figure something else out. I don't understand why they can't just do what they did with the ultra, the 22 ultra. Just have it go into the phone.
Jason Howell (01:02:18):
You mean on the Z fold?
Florence Ion (01:02:20):
Yeah.
Jason Howell (01:02:20):
Well, yeah. Well, sounds like that's what they're trying to do is, is have it go into the phone, but my,
Florence Ion (01:02:25):
Oh, well my, sorry, my understanding is that it was just gonna be a case.
Jason Howell (01:02:29):
No, no, no, no. That's the way it was. Remember that's that's the way it was with the Z fold three. Yes, yes. It had the case with the Spen and it was just like wonky and weird and it really felt tacked on like, yes, there's support, but like, it just, it didn't feel like a unified thing. And I think that's what they're, that sounds like that's what they're where they're headed with the Z fold for. But
Florence Ion (01:02:51):
You gotta make use to that tablet size. I'm sure. Yeah. I mean, look at how much they're pushing the tab S line.
Ron Richards (01:02:57):
Yeah.
Jason Howell (01:02:58):
Yeah. A uncle B in the chat room says that you know, I love the pen. I use it all the time. It is so fast for note taking. So maybe uncle B will be one of the ones getting the Z fold four with an Spen doc in it as well. I dunno, I'll be curious to see also the other, the other part that, that doesn't really work for me with the Z fold and the Spen in is that the Spen works on the inside, but doesn't work on the outside. When I think of a note, I think of pulling out the phone real quick and joting it right down. Not having to like unfold this massive thing in order to do it. It's I don't know. It kind of falls apart from me there a little bit, but Hey, I'm not the target audience or market for
Ron Richards (01:03:37):
That, but who is my question is who is, that's why, if you are email us at AAA TWI TV, let us know if you are cuz I wanna know who it is cuz it's not me. It's not Jason flow. Is it you, are you the target audience for that? Is it Burke? Is it Victor? Is it scooter X? Who is it? I wanna know.
Jason Howell (01:03:57):
Who are you? Who
Florence Ion (01:03:58):
Are you write us in here at All About Android,
Jason Howell (01:04:02):
AAA tweet that TV. It's not me. It's not Burt. Wow. We're talking about roomy things and then we'll get to an actual thing. But the pixel seven and the seven pro that's right. We're starting to talk about the, the next pixel after the six and you know, it's probably not gonna release until the end of the, so we got a ways to wait. So this, this could get a little confusing, but we'll start with the easy stuff. First nine to five, Google has some details. They were scouring through the Android 13, develop a preview. And we already kind of knew that the pixel seven was likely going to have a new version of the tensor chip. The next generation. That's almost entirely confirmed at this point, according to nine to five Google. But also they have confirmed that it's gonna have an updated Samsung mobile or sorry, modem.
Jason Howell (01:04:48):
So their guess is the XOs modem 5,300. I'm not entirely sure where they came up with that. It's currently unannounced modem, but it will get an updated modem. Hopefully that improves on some of the connectivity. That is another thing that we didn't talk, talk about with the S 22 series. I've heard from a few people who say that the reception on that, like the mobile data reception on that is better than any phone that they've had. Like, like I used my old phone in this building and it could hardly get any, you know, any connectivity, but with the Samsung phone, I'm getting tons of it. And so I don't know what the differences are there, but or if that's just a totally anecdotal, but anyways, maybe the pixel will have that too with this modem, but this is very interesting. Some code name, fun, the pixel six and six pro we know were the, or, and the Raven, both birds, right?
Jason Howell (01:05:40):
And now nine to five, Google says the pixel six a, which is gonna be coming out sometime in the near future is referred to as blue Jay. So also a bird. It also appears that the pixel notepad, which is the pixel foldable, if, and when it ever releases is, is the pixel bit. And you know, I actually don't know off the top of my head if the PIP is a bird but I'm gonna do a quick Google search because I think that it is yes, the American PIP is a bird, in fact. So that says that the next fold, the, the foldable pixel is a bird, right? So keep, just put that on the side for a second. The pixel seven and the seven pro appear to be cheetah and Panther cats, different. They were birds now they're cats. What does this mean? It seems to imply that devices in the 2021 to 2022 era are birds and that the 2022 to 2023 era are, that seems to tell me that we're gonna have a pixel pixel foldable sometime this year. It's like, it's gonna happen if it's a bird it's happening this year, what do you think?
Ron Richards (01:06:47):
I like that. I like, I like, I like that a lot.
Jason Howell (01:06:52):
So there you go. And also if it, if it was birds, and then it was cats, well, the one be dogs cuz B, C D I don't know. Did that just blow your mind?
Florence Ion (01:07:04):
Wow. Okay. So E would be what? Eels? Elephants.
Jason Howell (01:07:07):
Yeah. I know
Ron Richards (01:07:08):
Know egrets egrets.
Florence Ion (01:07:10):
Egres
Ron Richards (01:07:10):
Egrets. Oh, those birds though. Those are birds.
Florence Ion (01:07:12):
Yes. Are birds.
Jason Howell (01:07:13):
Yeah, I know that was confusing, but it, it was fun then nonetheless. So there we go. That's that's all I have to say about the pixel seven. There's really not a
Ron Richards (01:07:24):
That's a lot. That's it?
Jason Howell (01:07:25):
That's it. But Flo, you got the fun one. This, this is, this is good. This is a good one to syncing. Is
Florence Ion (01:07:33):
This fun? The rumor have the rumors of the one plus 10 pros fold ability been greatly exaggerated because so I don't know if anybody saw the video from Jerry rig everything, but I watched part of it and it's hard. I was astounded that anybody would willfully cut up a smartphone.
Jason Howell (01:07:57):
It's it's what he does. It's his thing.
Florence Ion (01:07:59):
I know. I know. I know, but I'm still like disaster videos are not my thing. Yeah. Let's just put it that way too much for me, but, okay. So Zach did the scratch test. All right. Scratching here, scratching there. Of course we expect this and then sack banded it. Yeah.
Ron Richards (01:08:20):
Wow.
Florence Ion (01:08:21):
The first two flexes the device bet. Nearly 90 degrees to the point where yes, folks, it did almost look like a galaxy Z flip three.
Jason Howell (01:08:30):
It really does. Wow.
Florence Ion (01:08:32):
It did. It looked like it was supposed to be folding that way. And we saw because
Ron Richards (01:08:39):
Pro now,
Florence Ion (01:08:41):
Because he took it apart, we got to see that the battery makes up the bottom half of the device. There's a camera module on the top half. And there's also an empty space in between that part, which is why it was able to bend. But oh my God, the flash that was in that video, it was so bright. So what we generally got from all of this is that the one plus 10 pro has a really bright flash. That's what you need to know about this phone.
Jason Howell (01:09:09):
The flash turns on what, when he's, when he's bending it. Yeah. It 7 43 is when he actually bends it. And we see the yeah, it's right about here. Do do do.
Ron Richards (01:09:19):
Wow.
Jason Howell (01:09:20):
Oh my goodness. That is not good. Now now of, of course, no one should take out their phone and do this. And that's where, you know, a lot of people who see VI videos like this, like, well, yeah, if I bend any phone, it's gonna break, but this actually does tell you a little on thing. Right? Because he starts to kind of peel things away and it kind of shows the design inside of this device is such that the battery takes up a certain portion. The camera module takes up the rest and the separation in between. There's no stability. There's no sort of, of like I, I don't know. There's, there's not a enough frame there. I'm not sure what do to fill that space on other phones to keep it from doing this, but that's bad like that. Yeah. It's, it's just, it's, it's pretty heartbreaking to see that, that,
Ron Richards (01:10:05):
That heartbreaking. Oh, there it is. That moment where he pushes the video we're watching, where he takes it apart. And the moment where it breaks is just like, it, it, I, I mean, I, I shuttered, you know, like, right. It's just, oh, oh man.
Jason Howell (01:10:19):
That was the first. That was his first attempt to, to kind of see what happens. And then the second one is where it just, I mean, it basically snaps into and yeah, on a, on a flagship device, like they, they should be built my opinions, people
Florence Ion (01:10:33):
Stronger. Let me say something purely anecdotal. All right. Okay. I'm just gonna a caveat with that. We're full of
Jason Howell (01:10:38):
Those today.
Florence Ion (01:10:39):
I, yeah, I was well, okay. So, you know, I've been reviewing this phone and I was holding it yesterday to the phone that I usually hold, which is the one plus nine, and this one has a case on it, but I hold it anyway.
Jason Howell (01:10:50):
And by this phone, you're talking about the S 22 plus, right?
Florence Ion (01:10:53):
Excuse me. Yes. The S 22 plus apologies to the audio listeners that I need to remember do that. So yeah, I was holding it both to my face and sort, sort of just like feeling the relative density. The Samsung feels a little more just solid. Yeah. Like reinforced, I should say.
Jason Howell (01:11:14):
That's the word I was reinforced. Reinforced. Yes.
Florence Ion (01:11:18):
Yeah. So I, I wonder if that's just like a one plus manufacturing thing that they do.
Jason Howell (01:11:25):
Yeah. I don't know. Or a lesson they, they haven't quite learned yet or yeah. I'm not really quite sure, but yeah, there, you know, it's, it's true that some devices just feel more fragile in certain ways than others. And you know, again, you're never gonna pick up your phone and actually do this, but if something happens that would put stress on that area of the device, this at least shows you like this, this phone has a weakness, it has a weak point to it. Eh, you just gotta to be careful around that weak point. Cuz holy cow, it could just snap at half of you if you aren't. So anyways. Yeah. He, he prob he probably suffers from a lot of pieces of glass in his fingers. I haven't really thought of yeah.
Florence Ion (01:12:06):
I was thinking about that while watching that too, I was just like, oh my,
Jason Howell (01:12:11):
Yeah, that that's kind of painful. All right. Why don't we why don't we jump into a little bit of app news before we get to your email that's right now,
Ron Richards (01:12:26):
Just a little bit of apps, just a taste of apps, just
Jason Howell (01:12:28):
A taste of apps. And you know, those of you that, that email every once in a while is say, you miss arena. I know I get it. We don't talk about apps as much. You're right. I don't,
Ron Richards (01:12:38):
By the way, is that, has that come around now? Have we, have we, have we gone full circle from the arena is tired to now I miss the arena. How long did it take?
Jason Howell (01:12:47):
I think there's just some people that really liked the arena and wish it was still around. Some people who are happy,
Ron Richards (01:12:54):
I would be open to a periodic revisiting of the arena if we wanted to plan for it.
Jason Howell (01:12:59):
Right. Yeah. We
Ron Richards (01:13:00):
Can do that. I, you know, like maybe a monthly type thing or something like that. I don't
Jason Howell (01:13:04):
Think it would be give our toes in. Yeah.
Ron Richards (01:13:06):
I don't know. I, I find myself feeling disconnected from the world of apps in a way that I was when we were picking 'em out for the arena. So true.
Ron Richards (01:13:14):
That, and I also do not miss frantically looking for an app on Tuesday mornings.
Jason Howell (01:13:21):
So yes, indeed, indeed. All of those things, I, I totally agree. Well, if we did have an arena, I would, and, and it was out on Android yet, which it looks like it's not, but I would want to bring shortwave, which was an app that that was making the rounds for people like me who loved Google inbox. And, oh man, I miss inbox. There's just certain things that inbox did that. I just can't replicate with Gmail nearly as effectively. Well, this app called short wave was actually created by X Googlers. And it really seems to kind of carry the box torch. They've included bundles. So, you know, bundles are like updates or promotions or social, basically it dynamically in real time, you know, as emails come in can detect which category a certain email probably falls under. And I found with inbox that it was really good at picking those apart and, and understanding my email.
Jason Howell (01:14:20):
It, it basically helps kind of get you to, to think of your email differently than just a, a stream of random messages that have nothing to do with each other. It grouped them as, as shortwave does. And then it allows you to do some really neat things with them. For example, shortwave also includes a sweep button, which basically takes multiple emails in a section. So in a bundle. So let's say I received 10 emails that were automatically, you know put into the ups CA or update category. And I could just with a single button dismiss them all. And that might sound like an easy thing. And you could do a little bit of this in Gmail, if you like select all, you know, that you're looking at and then mark all is red or whatever, it's just, it's different because it's, it's based on a bundle versus everything.
Jason Howell (01:15:11):
I don't, it's just different the way it did it before with inbox was just awesome. And I'm just so much slower in Gmail. So maybe short waves the way to go. The only problem is it launched on iOS. There is an Android version in the works. It's a work it's data. Yeah. It's a work in progress beta, but, but it's not native. It's using site code. The iOS version is native. The Android version apparently is not. So I don't know if, you know, maybe it'll be fine once it releases, but I'm kinda well it's
Ron Richards (01:15:40):
Also, and also, and, and this goes back to the, the economic stuff like that, you know, looking at their pricing you know, it's free to start. Yeah. And, you know, but with that, you get, you know, the inbox design, the real time email, which I find fascinating is like, what, what is not real time email? What is the alternative? But then this is what got me, which is like, and this is smart for them, you know, 90 day search and email history. So for free, only nine for free, but only 90 days of history. Right. And some limited team features, and then you, you can paint $9 a month and you get everything from free. And that gives you unlimited search and email history. And then, and the one thing G if Gmail has done anything to us, and I found this out the hard way at my day job, where we're actually shutter on outlook and Microsoft office 365, and additionally, you know, at a big corporation that, you know, that does it all allow you to keep email because of legal reasons and all stuff like that.
Ron Richards (01:16:37):
Gmail has instilled in me a archive that goes back to 2004 of emails that I can find at any given moment just by searching. Yeah. Yeah. And the idea of not having that anymore scares the Jesus outta me. Right. Because you want that history where we is that, oh, I sent that email to somebody back in 2016, where was it? I can find it. Right. Yeah. And so any sort of email option that limits that history for me is a, is a deal breaker. So if I was gonna go with this, I would pay the nine bucks a month just to get that unlimited history. Cuz it's so, so valuable.
Jason Howell (01:17:09):
Although, although you could go free because it's not like it's not like with this app, you're no longer you lose, you lose all that stuff. Right. Like you'll still have it in Gmail. It's just, you won't be able to search beyond the 90 days within this app. So if you really found yourself in that position, like when I think about it, am I referring to emails on a regular daily, this that are older than 90 days? I don't know that I am sure. That's good point. That pretty much all. And
Ron Richards (01:17:32):
It could be the hor it could be the hoarder in me maybe, but
Jason Howell (01:17:34):
Yeah, no, I, I totally I'm, I'm, I'm very much the same way. I, that really only occurred to me now because earlier when I saw that, I was like, well, I'd have to do the paid version. But when I was thinking about it now, as you were talking, I was like, well, wait a minute. I don't really refer to those older than 90 day emails that often anyways, there there'll still be there. I could still open up Gmail in another window and find it. Yeah. well,
Ron Richards (01:17:55):
While we're on, this reminds me, cuz while we're on email and Burke, I dropped a link in the doc, if you wanna share it for a video viewers, but like there was another, you know, new approach to email called, Hey, that was by the people from base that did base campus and stuff like that, that, you know, like I love the, and I, in fact, I think I brought this through the arena before set the arena down. And I, I love their approach to it. And it's a different, you know, kind of, you know, in, in, you know, like inbox S kind of stuff and that sort of thing, but like, I'm not using it because it's all you set up your email domain for, like, it's, it's a Gmail replacement, like short wave works on hop of Gmail or Hey is a, is, is just a different mail provider. And I just, you know, I'm, you know, I'm not ready to sacrifice, you know, all the Google app suites that, you know, that, you know, docs and all that sort. So stuff just to get this activity. But, you know, if email is important to you, you know, short wave looks really interesting. Hey, looks interesting. Like there are other alternatives out there. Yeah. So,
Jason Howell (01:18:53):
Yeah, indeed.
Ron Richards (01:18:55):
Yeah.
Jason Howell (01:18:55):
So yeah, sure. Wave something to check out. I'll certainly be checking it out and see. And yeah, I suppose I can let you know how that goes. Let us
Ron Richards (01:19:06):
Know,
Jason Howell (01:19:07):
Let you know on this show called All About Android. All right. Up next. We'll read some of your emails. AAA twit TV 3 47 show AA. And Ron, you have the first one.
Ron Richards (01:19:22):
I do our first one, our long distance dedication comes in from Mike in Dubai, which is awesome. And I think more people should be telling us where you're writing in from, because I want a map of All About Android community. Yeah. But yeah. So anyway, so yeah, exactly. And Mike from Dubai says I'm a little behind on my All About Android, but I watched the February 9th episode and appreciated the discussion over the Modo stylish G I'm trying to get a new work phone. I've been advocating for a Moto office. It department refuses to look at Android, mostly out of laziness. Oh boy, brother. I can relate to that, but use the excuse. It's not secure. My boss pushed me to the iPhone 12 for the sake of longevity. I unfortunately can't argue on that point. My only issue with my iPhone eight is the five year old battery.
Ron Richards (01:20:07):
Otherwise it's fine for my use of office 365, Ugh. And not much else. I wanna save money and just get a Moto. But with only two years of security to updates, I know it's a losing argument. Android OEMs are really missing out on the corporate market, especially at the mid and low end. Yeah. A $300. Moto is cheaper than the cheapest iPhone, but that discount fades away if you need to replace it every year or two fair, which is true. And that's a point of view that is real. That is, you know, you look at, you know, you look at it departments and they're looking at things like service longevity. They don't wanna replace your device in so much time and all that sort of stuff. And that's why a lot of these and the thing is, is that the lower, the mid to lower tier phone is to be almost disposable. You know, you just, they're gonna come out with a new model every year. And when you, when that battery stops performing, or when this, when you know the software updates or security updates, stop going, you just get the new one because it is so cheaper. So it's a balancing act. Yeah. So
Jason Howell (01:21:02):
Yeah, indeed. Great point. And thank you for for a key continuing the All About Android legacy in Dubai appreciated. We've got people all over the world, Dubai, Woodland, California such as the case with Paul, where is Woodland? Is that Southern California? I'm not sure. Anyways, Paul,
Ron Richards (01:21:25):
I feel it is, it sounds like Southern. Yeah. Yeah.
Jason Howell (01:21:28):
Paul, it's good to have you here. You're in good company. Paul, no guys. It's north. Is it
Ron Richards (01:21:32):
It's north? Oh, there it is. Yeah. It's in Yolo county. Sounds like it would be,
Jason Howell (01:21:35):
Oh, Yolo. Okay. I always chuckle when I drive through Yolo there was a few years ago Yolo, you know, was probably happening cuz when, when Yolo was the thing on the internet anyways, Paul, right. It's in to say, I write to offer a bit of a counterpoint to the praise that Samsung is getting for keeping its phones up to date. My unlocked S 10 E purchased in November, 2019 for best buy is as of February, 2021, still on one UI 3.1, that's Android 11 with the December security patch. The last update was January 13th. I started out on at and T, but I'm currently on Verizon prepaid Verizon's website shows that Verizon specific S 10 E phone update with one UI four that's Android 12 and January security patches were released on January 14th. The next most recent update was released on December 8th with the November security patch on February 9th, February security patch was released.
Jason Howell (01:22:31):
So it appears that Samsung not the carriers is serving updates for unlocked phones and they are doing so more slowly than the carriers leaving me two months behind on security patches, not good. And still on Android 11 second class citizen Samsung should release the updates to its unlocked phones. At the same time, they release them to the carriers. I suppose some praise for Verizon for so quickly turning out the updates is in order, but come on, Samsung, let's get on the ball. Yeah, that would kind of suck to have like the unlocked version. Am I reading that right? Has the unlocked version not getting the updates, but then the carrier versions are getting the update. That's so backwards from what, the way it normally happens. I wonder why that that's the case. It doesn't make sense to me that it would work like that.
Florence Ion (01:23:19):
I'm sure it has to do with like a routing situation or something of the sort priority. I definitely, I definitely feel Paul on just the frustrations with, oh, well, you know, I'm on a prepaid plan. Like why am I not getting a little more why am I not on the same timeline as people who are in a contract? Yeah. And that is strange. That that is super strange. And there's something else I was gonna say, oh yeah, this just feels also too, just like very Verizon, just from my experience of being with big red for so long
Jason Howell (01:23:57):
Very Verizon to send out the updates to like,
Florence Ion (01:24:01):
To not to just like have this absolute disparity we emails and, and phones. It's just very,
Jason Howell (01:24:09):
Yeah, it's just, this is, so this is so opposite to my experience, which has been, if you have the unlocked, you get the, the updates right away. But,
Florence Ion (01:24:17):
But I, I also have like a little theory and this is not backed by anything, but you know, Samsung really has to make these phones appeal to people who are going to the carriers to buy them. And I wonder if there's just like no pressure on stuff like software updates, because at the end of the day, that's like not the bottom line. The bottom line is how many of these devices are pushed through the door.
Jason Howell (01:24:43):
Yeah, no. I mean, at the end of the day, I think that what you just described there is a large part of the problem with the way that, you know, Android smartphone industry operates. Right. You know, it's, it's always been this like huge push to just get out device after device, after device. And the, the longer term support of those devices has always kind of fell to the wayside because there's the next big device push that's right around the corner. And that, I don't think that's really changed a whole lot. There are some companies that, that manage that better, but you know, if a company's putting out a lot of phones, like a part of me is not surprised that they don't support all of their phones with equal, you know, footing. Yeah. They, they have to prioritize. They only have some many people working on these things. That's not to excuse it, but I, I get why it happens. And there needs to be more foresight around that. No question. So deep breaths and then flow. You have the owners.
Florence Ion (01:25:43):
I first of all, just really wanna appreciate that. Y'all left me to read this week's Email of the week.
Florence Ion (01:25:56):
So I'm excited about this one. Okay. So this one comes from Antonis and, and Tony, Anton, I apologize if I MIS said your name, please feel free to correct. Now I'm writing this email to express my annoyance. That the way Andrew tablets are getting dismissed from every conversation, unfortunately, mainstream media, mainly in the us push apples marketing about the iPad productivity, PC replacement at apps, I'm tired of listening to people, even guess of the show that an Android doesn't work on a tablet. Yes, the iPad has the better apps. Yes, you can do more with it, but what are actually the use cases for a tablet it's a 90% entertainment. Here's a link to the most used apps on an iPad, kudos to apple for convincing people that they need to pay a thousand plus dollars to watch Netflix and play silly games.
Florence Ion (01:26:47):
I own both iPads and Android tablets. I'm using them exactly the same way. Web browsing, streaming, excuse me, web browsing, YouTube streaming apps. All I'm saying is that Android tablets are perfectly fine for the casual user and they don't need the specialized app that a developer or a graphic designer or an editor is using. These people can buy an iPad, but not everyone has to. Interesting. And I, you know, I agree. I agree with you and Thomas, because that's why Samsung is trying to kind of sell us all back on the entry tab and not just Samsung, Lenovo has been doing it too. Look at their, yeah. Lenovo's E series.
Jason Howell (01:27:24):
They're big on it. They got
Florence Ion (01:27:25):
It. Exactly. I think what worked for apple really well is that they also had the accessories that went with it. Because if you look at the accessories that Samsung's offering, like they are costing the same by tab S eight ultra is which by the way, is the laptop sized one is a lot of money.
Jason Howell (01:27:49):
Yeah. It is a lot of money.
Florence Ion (01:27:50):
Oh
Jason Howell (01:27:51):
Yeah. That's not a cheap tablet. That's yeah. That's I mean, what is that like $1,100 for the tabs eight ultra it's starting 11 or $1,200. I mean, that's yeah. You, you, you have to know what you have to, why you need that tablet or what you're getting that for you in order to drop that kind of money on an Android tablet. Right. Then maybe, maybe if you're in this, the Samsung ecosystem and you are a Samsung, you know, you love Samsung devices. I mean, you're getting a quality device. There's no doubt about it. That tablet is really nice
Speaker 7 (01:28:21):
That that price is the ultra specialized version. Like, like to do that. You have, it's like, so niche it's like crazy, like even more than an iPad. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, oh,
Jason Howell (01:28:31):
How expensive do it's
Florence Ion (01:28:33):
It's also like a 14 inch.
Jason Howell (01:28:34):
Yeah. Right. It's huge device. Right? Yeah. So the, so the iPad pro would be the, the comparison model, right? The iPad pro 12.9 gets you, which
Florence Ion (01:28:44):
By the way, has an M one process us are in it just like the MacBook pros. Right. So there is a architecture thing going on there that is, you know,
Jason Howell (01:28:52):
True. Right. And the, and so there, you're starting at $1,200 for the iPad pro for the large screen size. So price wise, they are pretty on par Samsung saying if, you know, if you are wanting an iPad pro, this is another alternative on, you know, apples to oranges, but you know,
Ron Richards (01:29:13):
So yeah. I, I just building off building off of what Antons wrote in, I just looked to see what the top paid apps were expecting to see some, you know, because I do believe that there is a portion of iPad users that are in the pro productivity side of things, because apple has convinced them with the, their apple pen and all this sort of stuff. Right. And, but to be honest, I'm looking at the, the, the rankings of the top paid apps. And it's not that much D for it, in terms of just like, kind of crap wear or games or things like that. There's, I'm looking for some like drawing app or some sort of thing like that, that comes with it, but I'm also not well versed with the core set of applications that apple lo gives you, you know, kind of stock with an iPad versus what you get stock with a Andrew, a tablet. No, right.
Jason Howell (01:30:02):
Like,
Ron Richards (01:30:03):
Yeah.
Jason Howell (01:30:03):
Is,
Ron Richards (01:30:03):
Is there a level of productivity because apple is invested in, like, this is our productivity apps for the iPad optimized for that, where you're just getting Gmail on a tablet, you know what I mean? Or, you know what I mean? Like, I'm, I'm wondering, I think, you know, the, the free apps and the paid apps and the external apps and app developers are a thing to, but also what is the out of the box experience with both devices and what are the differences,
Jason Howell (01:30:28):
Man? I'm, I'm looking at the top 50 paid iPad apps. And I mean, okay, so the second one is good notes, five, which is a productivity app outside of that, the top let's see here year, the top 32 of those things are games, they're games and education games. Right. And many of these, like I, you know, all the, to life stuff, cuz I have kids. I know, you know, I'm very familiar with the, to life stuff, heads up five night, five nights of Freddy's geometry dash. I mean, these things are all on Android. Guaranteed. You could throw that on an Android tablet is probably gonna play just fine. Okay. Maybe not guaranteed. I actually don't know that for sure. But I'm pretty certain Minecraft is at the top of that list and that's gonna work on an Android tablet. So, you know, he is got a good point. He's got a good point. I mean, a lot of these apps that, you know, that are in that top tier probably run I'm guessing reason. Well, on an Android tablet, it's not like they require a whole lot of, you know, futsing around to, to make it look different. I dunno. Maybe they do, but is the difference too? What's that people
Speaker 7 (01:31:35):
Use the iPad for art, the iPad pro yeah. That's that's really the only, only one. Yeah.
Jason Howell (01:31:40):
Yeah. But, but that's kind of the point is like, okay, but that's, that's a select few P people like compared to the massive majority that are buying games like this to, to get in the top 50 of all time, you know, or, you know what I mean? So sure the iPad might be the right device for an artist, but maybe an Android tablet is the right tablet for everyone else who just wants to play casual games. And I think that's, that's kind of Anton's point and has, yeah. And it has 12, $1,200 to spend, but I mean, so there you go. So it's a good point. So there you go, Anton, so
Florence Ion (01:32:15):
Thank you. Anona for sending that in because you were this Email of the way
Jason Howell (01:32:22):
And you can walk around the world in which you live and just scream it from the rooftops and say, I was the email of the week cut all about aro. And maybe just
Ron Richards (01:32:35):
If only we knew where you were from.
Jason Howell (01:32:37):
Yeah. We don't know.
Ron Richards (01:32:38):
Yeah. Yeah. So we we're gonna assume that you're either somewhere in Dubai or Woodland, California,
Jason Howell (01:32:44):
One or the other that's that's where all our fans are. All right. We have reached the end of this episode of all about AADE it's been a ton of fun. It's great to be back in the studio feels different. I feel more awake. So that's good. It's great to have you backflow, always a pleasure getting you on the show. Thank you for hanging tonight.
Florence Ion (01:33:05):
Thank you guys.
Jason Howell (01:33:06):
Yeah. So what do you wanna leave people with? I know you've got the S 22 plus review on the horizon. Anything else you wanna leave people with
Florence Ion (01:33:14):
Ultra just posted anything you need from me@gizmoto.com. You can find at the handy, your L of flow rights.tech that actually takes you directly to my author page. It gives moto.com. So that'll help you go find my byline. Nice. And then for everything else, this Florence, zion.com.
Jason Howell (01:33:31):
There you go. That's all you need to know. Thank you. Flow. We'll see you again next month. Ron, what about you? What's what's new in your world
Ron Richards (01:33:41):
In my fun world, you can follow me on Twitter and on Instagram at Ron XO. But I mentioned it last week and worked a ton this weekend and we released the new version of the score app. The score mobile app for pinball. Nice. super excited version 1.2. It was it, it was so big. We moved it up a point release previously we're at one, the one version 1.1 dot, I think we're on 10 or nine, but we, we said this is so big. Let's go to 1.2. Super excited about it. If you play pinball, there's a lot of cool stuff in there. We revamped our challenges system. So you can challenge your friends to beat your score. We made improvements to our achievements at a bunch of bug fixes and things like that. So we're really super excited about it. So you can go download it in the Google play store. If you're in a pinball, it helps you find places to play pinball is fun ways to, you know, play with connected pinball machines that are connected to the internet. That's all at all. Have a fun time, have fun play pinball. That's all I wanna tell you, there you go, but score, go score, but.io for more info or it's in the Google play store.
Jason Howell (01:34:38):
Right? All I,
Ron Richards (01:34:39):
I think we, I think we have a decent rating, to be honest with you. I think we don't have many reviews because we're a very niche, you know, app, but if I'm looking at our Google play store listing we have, we should be excellent. I would think we are we have a 4.5.
Speaker 9 (01:34:56):
Nice. Which is fantastic, which I'm
Jason Howell (01:34:58):
Happy with.
Speaker 10 (01:34:58):
Yeah.
Jason Howell (01:34:59):
Yeah. You're happy with that. That's good. Yeah. Right off. I'll take it. Cool. Congrats on the release.
Speaker 11 (01:35:04):
Thanks.
Jason Howell (01:35:05):
Yeah. And thank you to Burke, of course, in the studio no longer in the what were we saying? The, where was Burke hiding? I can't remember the, the, the, her, the bell tower, the bell tower. There we go. No longer in the bell tower. He's come out to, to hang out and we appreciate it, but
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I was trying to make hunchback noises and then I'm like, I don't know what a hunchback
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