All About Android 578, Transcript
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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up next on All About Android. It is a supersized and very fun episode, wrapping up all of the announcements and things that were talked about last week at Google IO. It's me, Jason Howell, Ron Richards, Florence Ion, Huyen Tue Dao, and our guest Mike Wolfson who joins us each and every year for at least a pre or a post IO episode. And we deliver today. So check it out. That's up next on All About Android!
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This episode of All About Android is brought to you by Trade Coffee. Right now, Trade is offering new subscribers, a total of $30 off your first order, Plus free shipping. When you go to drinktrade.com/aaa. That's more than 40 cups of coffee for free. Get started by taking their quiz and let trade find you coffee you'll love. Hello, Welcome to All About Android, This is episode 578 recorded on Tuesday, May 17th, 2022, your weekly source for the latest news, hardware, and apps for the Android Faithful. And boy, do we have a supersized show today? I'm Jason Howell
Ron Richards (00:01:15):
And I'm Ron Richards
Huyen Tue Dao (00:01:18):
And I'm Huyen Tue Dao and over to flow. Do do the, do the, there we go.
Florence Ion (00:01:23):
Well, you spoiled me. I'm Florence Ion.
Jason Howell (00:01:26):
I was waiting for it to switch to you. I was like, go there, go there. Now you might think that this is as big as this show ever gets is, is the four of us, but oh boy, do we have news for you? Thank it's great to have the four of us here. Of course. I'm, I'm so stoked to be joined by everybody. And then also we've got someone who, you know, usually is on before Google IO, but things didn't work out that way, this time around. So we have him on for the post IO wrap up. It's Mike Wolfson. Welcome back to the show. Mike.
Mike Wolfson (00:01:58):
Hello, Friends and family.
Jason Howell (00:01:58):
Hello? It's good to see you. It
Ron Richards (00:02:01):
Wouldn't, it wouldn't be IO season without Mike coming on the show. And I feel like we've, we've had him on post IO in the past. I feel
Jason Howell (00:02:09):
We probably have
Ron Richards (00:02:11):
In the schedule now it's
Jason Howell (00:02:12):
Around this time. Yeah. It's it's IO season is usually when we see Mike and, and you've been on it, you know, a couple of times outside of that rotation as well, but, but it's always the like,
Ron Richards (00:02:22):
Yep, here we go. Oh yeah. 2018 post IO.
Jason Howell (00:02:25):
Oh, okay. There we go.
Ron Richards (00:02:27):
There you go. It's it's not the first time, but it's gotta be when I think of IO, I think of Mike Wolfson. So I don't think of Sunar. I think of Mike,
Jason Howell (00:02:34):
So <laugh> right. It's you know
Ron Richards (00:02:36):
What I think of when I think of Google IO,
Jason Howell (00:02:39):
What do you think of?
Ron Richards (00:02:40):
I think of me and Ron's birthdays.
Jason Howell (00:02:42):
Yes, I know.
Ron Richards (00:02:43):
Yeah. So although this was, this was not sorry, bring it back to me,
Jason Howell (00:02:47):
But let me
Ron Richards (00:02:49):
Not, not a good year for the birthday. Hopefully you, you fared better than I, I was in bed with 104 fever on my birthday, so not COVID, but it was, it was pretty worse. So yeah,
Huyen Tue Dao (00:03:00):
I was not down for the count, but I was behind this desk for many, many hours.
Ron Richards (00:03:06):
Fun times. It was a rough, it was a rough one this year. It was a rough
Huyen Tue Dao (00:03:09):
One <laugh> time. Yeah. Yes. And
Ron Richards (00:03:11):
Yes. And, and I was so bummed that I was sick and that I missed the show and that I, but I was able to watch IO and we were able to do that. I'm feeling much better. I did. Who knew you can get mono in your mid forties. There you go. I proved it. Not just for high schoolers, not just high schoolers. Yeah. Yeah. So but but man, when I was watching IO, I was just like, oh, I can't wait to talk to everybody. So I'm so happy that that we're here together.
Jason Howell (00:03:35):
Yeah. Happy to have you here too. And because we have a lot of voices on this show expect a lot of talking, but Hey, it's a podcast. That's what we do before we get into any of the news components, the news items Mike, you were saying earlier in email that you wanted to take a few minutes with everyone because you were actually physically at the event. So were you Huyen, so both of you, I was, were actually there, like we were following along, you know, from, from behind a screen, y'all were actually at shoreline. And Mike, you had mentioned wanting to kind of take a few minutes to talk about the experience of IO for those of us who weren't actually there, I've been there a number of times, I'm certain, you know, from what you've said and from everything that I've heard and every, and, and from you Huyen as well, that this year was a whole lot different than any other in person years. What can you tell us about that?
Mike Wolfson (00:04:28):
Okay, totally. So I have been to pretty much every IO, I'm super lucky to be able to have gone to so many, and this was by far one of the weirdest events I've been to. And I actually wanted to make sure that we had this time to talk so that the people that are feeling FOMO about not being able to attend and feel, you know, left out, maybe don't feel that so much because while I'm super lucky to be able to be there and feel quite blessed in particular, cause it was such a great time to be with friends. Yeah. And be there for stuff. It was quite a uneventful event and really small and strange on many levels. There wasn't a whole lot you know, about being there in person that kind of, you know, really stood out. Yeah. That made it anything, some amazing
Jason Howell (00:05:21):
Well, and so
Mike Wolfson (00:05:22):
Sort of love to hear what Huyen says. Yeah. Yeah.
Jason Howell (00:05:23):
Well, and now that was kind of where I was gonna segue next because Mike, as you said, you've been to a number of, of Google iOS. When is, was this your first Google IO or have you been before
Huyen Tue Dao (00:05:35):
Or, oh no, I've been been to several, actually my first Google iOS when I first met Mike, I actually, when we were doing,
Jason Howell (00:05:41):
Oh, I see, I, I just read this, I thought, I thought you just read that. I thought that meant that this was your first IO, but
Huyen Tue Dao (00:05:47):
I just thought it was so because I've actually yeah, 2015 was my first IO and I actually met Mike and that was when Chui-ki and I were doing Android dialogues and Mike was actually my very first interview ever. So I thought it was kind of like a very nice what I was
Jason Howell (00:06:00):
Just that
Mike Wolfson (00:06:01):
That's. So I totally remembered that too
Huyen Tue Dao (00:06:04):
Well. Yeah. And you were so nice, Mike. I've, I've now been lucky to know Mike for many years and you were very supportive and very nice. And so now it's nice to just, it was, it is kind of cool to be on this show with you Mike, after I owe it all feels like kind of really cool circle. <Laugh> really full circle, but I, I concur with Mike. I haven't been to quite as many, but it was weird. It was very, it was definitely uneventful. So basically there and it was funny actually. I remember I met Florina and Nick Nick Butcher and Florina Muntenescu like at the gate and we were taking that one selfie and Flo responded, cuz you could see how empty it was behind us. And I was like, yeah, yeah, it was pretty empty. And that kind of carried the rest of the time.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:06:47):
We basically had the keynote, I was like good go out. And the developer keynote and then we had lunch and then nothing else, like I think I actually think met up with, yeah, that was it. We met up with Chui-ki. It was me, my husband and Chui-ki kind of walking around, trying to see if there was anything else and they didn't have booze. So I have to say sorry to Duncan. There were no cuz remember last week Duncan Jaffrey I guest asked if, if there were any Droids to buy, there were not, there was not much of anything. I think after the two main events they had like partner meetups, like women tech, makers, and other kind of groups like that having receptions. But that's it, we kind of were like, okay I guess, I guess we'll leave. Yeah. So we kind of meandered
Mike Wolfson (00:07:26):
So totally like the two key keynotes happened. I'm sorry. Interrupted. The two keynotes happened.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:07:32):
Oh no, no, go ahead Mike. Yeah.
Mike Wolfson (00:07:33):
And that was kind of interesting. And then afterwards they had lunch and then it was just kind of nothing. It was two o'clock and there was nothing to do. And we were all kind of just like awkwardly, standing around wondering we socialized for a little while and then we kind of just all dispersed, kinda went back to our, you know, hotel rooms and stuff, but it was just awkward. It was like a mix missed opportunity. There was no sessions to talk to other Googlers or any sort of formal like demo rooms or anything. It was just really
Jason Howell (00:07:59):
Weird. I mean, and it's not like Google didn't mention that this would be different. You know, they said it was gonna be kind of a combination of in person and not, you know, kind of alluding to the fact that the majority of people were gonna watch it through their screens, which is exactly what happened. But kind of like, I kind of felt like, okay, well then there's a hand, you know, there are some people going there and there are events or there are presentations, but I think a lot of those presentations, they were were they not live then they were just all prerecorded. And so there was no like audience think they were all sit in on things
Florence Ion (00:08:33):
Prerecorded.
Jason Howell (00:08:34):
Yeah.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:08:35):
Yes. I'm
Jason Howell (00:08:36):
Going based on from what I saw,
Florence Ion (00:08:38):
Press Intel, that they were prerecorded.
Jason Howell (00:08:41):
So. Okay. So then here's my question. Why did Google have the in person thing to begin with? Was this all optics? Was it all optics to say, Hey, we're kind of back. We're gonna fly out here, get people who are really excited to be there so that the presentation looks good and there of course, oh,
Huyen Tue Dao (00:08:58):
There's me. Yeah.
Ron Richards (00:08:59):
<Laugh> 100%, 100% optics. It's like to show that like, I mean, this is, this is what's happening across numerous companies and events and things like that to show that we are back and this is what it is like, and it's attempt to get closer to normalcy. So agreed.
Mike Wolfson (00:09:15):
Yeah. I think it was a test balloon to see if you know how they're going to start doing conferences again. I also think they had shoreline rented probably and you know, figure figured they might as well make use of the facility. Right.
Florence Ion (00:09:28):
I don't think it was that expensive for them probably to rent it out, rent out the amphitheater for like that part. I was thinking about the logistics of it.
Mike Wolfson (00:09:36):
Oh, I'm thinking they probably already had it rented, you know, because oh Google I owe years ago. And so, yeah.
Ron Richards (00:09:43):
And it's,
Florence Ion (00:09:44):
I feel like it's pocket change for them to sorry to say if there was flippantly about like money, but no,
Jason Howell (00:09:49):
But I think your process,
Ron Richards (00:09:50):
I mean, if there was, if there was any, if there was any reason, if there was any reason to doubt the safety of the event, they would've shut it down and eaten the money or pushed it to next year. Like Mike Mike saying here. Yeah. Like I don't think that was the thing, but you know that there's a concerted effort for everybody, despite whatever you say about the numbers or whatever you think about your area, things like that. But to, to, you know, I mean, look at what's going on with discovery and, and the mandate to go back to the office, right? Like there's just like crazy weird grandstanding around getting people out of their homes on this corporate level. And this is, I think this is an example of that. And watching from home, you know, Mike, like your pictures were kind of startling, but like watching from home, like the shots in the live stream were fo when they showed the crowd were focused on like people sitting in the crowd, but you could see in the upper left hand corner, just like the empty seats. Right. So like they didn't, they didn't do a great job of making it look populated, you know? So
Jason Howell (00:10:43):
Yeah. I mean, was, was that their goal? I mean, yeah. I don't, I don't know cuz I mean, it was pretty obvious that the place wasn't filled, but I also wasn't like judging it for that. You know what I mean? Like I get it. Well, Jason, would you audience?
Ron Richards (00:10:56):
I was, I was just gonna say, if you, if you were invited, would you have gone, but you wouldn't have so
Jason Howell (00:11:00):
Well, I mean, as it turns out, I wouldn't have cuz you know, fun, fun COVID times, but yeah. But if I had been invited, I sure I would've gone well, I would've, I would've said yes if you would. I realized I couldn't. Yeah. But absolutely I would've wanted to.
Mike Wolfson (00:11:17):
Yeah. So one thing I, there was one thing, oh, go ahead, Mike, bring up one thing I wanted to bring up about COVID in particular and hopefully this will also help, especially the COVID averse, not feel FOMO. They advertise that everybody's gonna have to do PCR tests to enter the facility mm-hmm <affirmative> and if you came the day before you did get a PCR test, but the morning of IO, they switched to antigen tests, which you know, are not certainly not as accurate. So anyway in regards to kind of their COVID policies, they kind of even didn't fulfill what they suggested for. I didn't know that. So if so, I just wanna make people more comfortable that if there are people that are still very COVID adverse that I think would've been uncomfortable. Yeah. So I think there's a lot of reasons why, if you missed this year's IO you probably should feel okay that you,
Florence Ion (00:12:08):
At least it was outside. Yeah. Unlike CES, which was completely indoors. And then we, after CES happened, we had a list of all the people who went back to the country, as it brought COVID, I'm thinking of the 17 Samsung employees. That number will never get out of my mind. <Laugh>. And so, because I, when I saw he was outdoors, I was like, oh, I would totally go to that. And I, I don't do anything because my kid is still not vaxed. Right. Right. So, but I would've gone to that because I've, it's completely outdoors, which is awesome.
Jason Howell (00:12:42):
Yeah. Yeah. So so I guess final question before we kind of get into news, are you happy? You went because I mean, I mean, for both of you, this was not necessarily a, you know, this wasn't in your backyard, both of you had to travel and fly and everything in order to get here and go through the trouble of, of, of being here. So are you happy? You, you went or, I mean, I doubt that you regret going, but like what are your feelings like if this happened next year, would you go again?
Huyen Tue Dao (00:13:13):
Probably. so I, something that, so a couple things there was actually one in person, like sort of event, which is like the Android fireside chat, which is actually what which is like the kind of thing that I did that book ended it and that, which Berk show the picture of yes. And that we got to experience, but that was part of an invite only Android road show, which is kind of a Google adjacent event. And, and that, I think in the sense that was in place of some of the face to face and it was also really interesting to be in the audience while I'm up
Jason Howell (00:13:42):
There on screen. Right. That's gotta be strange. Yeah.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:13:44):
It was, it was kind of fun. I would go for that and I, I think that's what I miss is having that direct interaction and conversation with people, especially like the Android fam which has kind of been one of the best things of my career in my life, in the last five, 10 years. So I, I'm glad to have gone. I'm glad to have gotten to see Mike and, and our other kind of like Android fan that did get to go. If, if they did again, if it was just the keynotes, eh, but I can't help, but think that if they had a keynote where you could go, they would also do these kind of, you know, feedback sessions and discussions. Yeah. And I'm always there for that. Provided, we don't have some freaking Zeta mega Hulk, she Hulk attorney at law or MCC crown variant or something. I probably would go again.
Jason Howell (00:14:31):
Oh, that has to be the
Huyen Tue Dao (00:14:32):
Name attorney at law. It went to, it had time to go to law school. Yeah. <Laugh>
Jason Howell (00:14:37):
Studying, it's like, how do I do this?
Huyen Tue Dao (00:14:39):
I got alongs law school. That's troubling or something, or three years. How long is law school? I don't know. I'm a dev, I don't know.
Jason Howell (00:14:45):
<Laugh> would you go back Mike, if it was the same event next year?
Mike Wolfson (00:14:51):
I would probably for all the reasons when we just saying it was so nice to see everybody. Yeah. It was such a great timing for me, as I mentioned, you know, during pre-show yeah. It's really fun, but it was so different and not really worth like the, you know, normal stress of IO or the challenges of, you know that usually happen.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:15:12):
It is really stressful to me. Yeah. Right now it is a little bit, this is the most, I've kind of been stressed out afterwards and for like kind of the reasons that Mike said, I, I did hear that I have a few people to test positive at the tent and had to be turned away. So it's not like it's, you know I'm nervous right now and we're gonna be testing quite a bit for the next couple weeks. So yeah, it's definitely on my minds. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> but I don't, I don't wanna regret going cuz I, I don't, I got to see a lot of people that I didn't get to see and, you know, yeah. We got to do hopefully some good Android networking feedback and kind of work. So
Jason Howell (00:15:43):
There's a lot of value to that, you know, even if Google, but, but I mean, at the same time, it is a developer conference and the history of the conference has been that as developers, you know, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you know, one of the key pieces of value is going there where Google is holding all these events that come at, you know, the meeting of the minds all in the same place have the same kind of reasons for being there. So, you know, there's that camaraderie that's built around this kind of shared experience, the shared learning educational experience put on by the people who are responsible for the thing that is your livelihood, you know, mm-hmm <affirmative> and, and a lot of that was just kind of like not there for this time. It seems like it seems like a, it was a, but a sliver of the entire, you know, piece of the pie. And
Mike Wolfson (00:16:30):
So for sure, and I know we're trying to move off of this, but I will there was basically no press there. And I will mention what at my fondest experiences at IO was talking to you and Ron Amadio at one of the, after I events Jason, I very fondly remembered the three of us having a really fun conversation that was kinda like we might do here on the podcast. Totally. and that is, those are the memories and the things that I really, you know, the things I get energy from. And none of those things were really available this year. There were super small amount of Android devs. So it's great to see them. And those are, you know, the Android fam I love to see, but it just didn't have the same energy as a real IO.
Jason Howell (00:17:09):
Yeah. It kind of sounds like it was over before it started, you know, sort of thing also <laugh> it's like you blink and wait a minute. What? Oh, so it was just the keynotes look. Okay. All right. Well, anyways, things were announced during this event <laugh> people were seen by maybe not in the same numbers that y'all were used to, you know, in times past, but lots of things were announced actually, there were, there were quite a few announcements, so we're gonna dive into those. I hope you're ready. Burke. It's time for the news.
Speaker 6 (00:17:44):
I'm not ready.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:17:45):
<Laugh> <laugh>
Jason Howell (00:17:47):
I'm not ready, but
Speaker 6 (00:17:48):
It's time. I was, you know?
Jason Howell (00:17:49):
Yeah. You were sleeping.
Speaker 6 (00:17:51):
No, it was, it would just be recycled Android news.
Jason Howell (00:17:55):
Think about your own Google in your mind and beta. Yeah. Something like that. Listen,
Ron Richards (00:18:00):
Listen. It has been three hundred, five hundred and seventy eight episodes per if you're not in the mood to do the news, you get in the
Jason Howell (00:18:07):
Mood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pick yourself up by your, by your boots. Stop. We,
Ron Richards (00:18:13):
We do every week we do this man. We show up
Jason Howell (00:18:16):
<Laugh> oh dear. Okay. let's do what someone needs to relieve Burke of his duties. He's he's falled asleep back there. All right. I don't know that this is necessarily the top because I feel like with everything around Google IO, Android 13 was really talked about very little <laugh> there wasn't a whole lot discussed about Android. I mean, Samir Samat friended show was up on stage kind of talking about it and kind of set out, you know, part of the stuff. But I mean, this is the world that we live in, where these beta are revealed to everyone, you know, weeks to months prior to Google IO, Google IO used to be this like really big reveal moment for a lot of things that we expect. And now we already have access to the developer preview and the beta. So the main news around a Android 13 is that the beta, the second beta is released.
Jason Howell (00:19:03):
You can get it on a number of phones, including pixels. Of course it's very incremental release, but it does contain from my understanding anyways, the foundational elements behind predictive back gesture, which we have talked about a little bit on the show. That's kind of the, the hard work of Michelle Ramon in discovery. Well now here it is, apparently it's in version or beta two, but when you had, you had noted this as one of the interesting kind of dev related stuff pieces of news from the event, what, what do you know about this this new feature?
Huyen Tue Dao (00:19:41):
Yeah, so I, I think this is particularly interesting just because it's kind of giving a hint to how the Android team is, is looking to kind of move the platform forward and clean things up as we're approaching. Like, you know, as we're past like a decade old platform. So I, I know, like we talked about this like two weeks ago and I said, well, there's no way that machine learning is gonna magically fix devs navigation without breaking it. And that's actually 100% true, but you're gonna have to fix it. So basically what we do know now is that predictive back navigation is towards helping the operating system, let users know where they're going. So the, the example that you'll see often is just the case where you hit back in an app and it takes you to home. Yeah. And so what this hopefully will do is kind of, as you're dragging backwards, kind of solely reveal the home screen to you, but that's not, it, that's not the only thing rather.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:20:33):
And what's actually gonna happen is all of us are gonna have to fix our back navigation. So I didn't realize this, but there was an API, a new version of the of the back navigation API released 19. Maybe Mike, you knew about this already. We've been kind of sleeping on our back navigation for years. So I didn't realize this, but basically if you have not migrated, you know, whatever code you have, which basically the customization of the back parts, which for devs, if high devs out there, if you're even if you're using fragments and backs that put your pretty basic building blocks, depending on, you know, your miles might vary, you will need to handle the back the new kind of upgrade either to the new Android X APIs or to the new API, which will help with this new prod, predictive gesture.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:21:18):
And I think it's interesting because in 13 it's on and you can test your app for compatibility with this new predictive back navigation by 14, if you haven't fixed it, your back navigation's gonna be broken. And Hmm, I think this is just a really interesting way. And I, I think we, when we were at the fireside chat, I think Dan Sandler who's on the Android team noted that this is kind of how this is gonna be their approach to really fixing things that are kind of ingrained like this and are hard to fix and have years of tech debt behind them is that, Hey, here's a new API to be fair. They did release the building blocks for this. About three years ago, I slept on it, but it's out there. And they'll basically when, when they're kind of getting ready to switch us off and kind of encouraging those of us that wanna keep their apps updated, to not break functionality, you get a release to play around with it and a release to basically fix it and migrate to the new stuff.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:22:08):
And then by the next release, it's gonna be broken. It'll be on by default and it's be broken. So I think this is really interesting because there's been other things in the past where I feel like that's also been the case. I know. But I, I thought that, you know, for sure there's machine learning, can't fix this, which is true, so Deb's gotta fix it. But I, I do think that in general, this is a good path to improvement navigation. I don't know, Mike what did you think about it and what did you think about predictive back navigation?
Mike Wolfson (00:22:35):
I think that it's just something we're gonna have to deal with. Just like all the different changes that
Jason Howell (00:22:40):
Each and every year.
Mike Wolfson (00:22:42):
Yeah. Yeah. It just could be one more thing. I think there's enough time and, you know, basically the implementation seems easy enough, so it'll be okay.
Jason Howell (00:22:52):
Yeah. Yeah.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:22:52):
I just, I just thought it was interesting. Yeah. But keep us busy. It's just,
Mike Wolfson (00:22:57):
And I think you're right about, well, what you're saying that this is kind of a way that they're starting to handle things in a way that they're moving forward with like tech debt cuz back to back, functionality has always been kind of confusing in Android, whether it exits the app or takes you back. Yeah. It's always been kind of confusing. So they're trying to fix it
Jason Howell (00:23:16):
Big time. Yeah. But that's a couple of a couple of versions to make that change. I mean, it is this isn't, this isn't like a feature that some apps tap into and some apps don't, this is a feature that every app to some degree has some sort of integration with the back button just is a foundational piece of Android and, and navigation. So it's something that all developers will have to pay attention to as opposed to, you know, there, what I can't remember was it scoped storage was the thing a few years ago where like it was introduced and then it, it pissed a bunch of developers off. And so they kind of like retracted that and then the next version, they were like, all right, we've given you plenty of time now we're actually committing to it. You gotta make the changes. But that isn't necessarily a feature that touches every single app that, you know, that is created by a developer the back button. Like I don't think there is an app that doesn't touch that to some degree. You know what I mean? <Laugh> so everybody's gonna have to make changes there
Huyen Tue Dao (00:24:17):
For sure. And I, I think it's just a good lesson on, like, if you're a developer, you gotta pay attention. Otherwise your app might be broken. Yeah, no kidding. But I, I like the, I like the, I like the, I, this is a little bit aggressive, but I also like, just like we were talking about a while ago about them just being very more stringent on being UNT targeting like the, within like the latest version. This is just them being more aggressive about people cleaning up their app. So there you go. Yeah. Yeah. Get on the ball. I was gonna say, Google's being so aggressive about it. They're gonna hide your app if you're not developing to the latest
Jason Howell (00:24:45):
IPS. Yeah. Right. So
Huyen Tue Dao (00:24:46):
Yeah. I won't even get listed in the play or
Jason Howell (00:24:48):
Hmm. More, more and more yeah. Incentive for developers to keep their apps updated <laugh> whether they are, you know, excited about that or not. It's just kind of the way that it is. And for users, that's a really great thing, ultimately. Yes. Yeah. flow, you got the next one, this, this top section is kinda like news as relates to like Android versions and different, different surfaces and stuff. So you got the, you got Android auto
Huyen Tue Dao (00:25:11):
<Laugh>. So I've got the one that gives me the most headache, which is Android auto. Oh, yay. Perfect. Yay. And I, this is not because the developers out there, I mean, I guess it is a little bit because of Google, this strategy has been, it's getting better. It's getting more pointed. So what's happening is you can expect a revised interface to hit your Android auto in dash infotainment system coming soon. What's really cool about this one is that it includes a split screen mode. So that's gonna be adaptable to different screen sizes. And nice. This is particularly important because in addition to the fragmentation, we've already experienced as Android users of the phone. There's now fragmentation of screen sizes in cars, especially like manufacturers. There is no one set size as you see in this like animated image. My Subaru has like an 11 inch tablet situation going on with only half the screen that's devoted to Android auto. And so that half of the screen is going to use the split screen mode so that you can get more information into, you know, whatever's allotted there for you by your car, by the O you know, your manufacturer. So it's gonna be good for usability. Supposedly again, I haven't used it and I'm the end all be all <laugh> of user testing. So
Jason Howell (00:26:35):
Yes. Yes. Google relies on only your feedback.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:26:39):
Only my feedback. I did, I did ask cuz I had a meeting with Google about this and I did ask about the phone app and oh yeah. It being deprecated
Jason Howell (00:26:51):
And like just get over it phone,
Huyen Tue Dao (00:26:53):
Get a lot.
Jason Howell (00:26:54):
<Laugh>
Huyen Tue Dao (00:26:55):
I, I didn't get a lot just that consistent mode is going to get better.
Jason Howell (00:27:00):
Okay.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:01):
I'm still waiting. Currently I have no idea where I'm driving ever in my actual car. So
Jason Howell (00:27:07):
Do you have Android, but will you have Android auto as a
Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:11):
That's in the family car? Jason, that's not my car. Oh,
Jason Howell (00:27:13):
Oh, okay. My
Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:14):
Car, it's the family car, Jason. Now
Jason Howell (00:27:16):
I understand
Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:17):
Now I get it. You know, Jason, what it's like, you have your own car with, you know, you have to have your own mood anyway, your own layout. <Laugh> more, more assistant integration coming to Android auto, which is always good. We're talking about things like paying wirelessly for parking and let's just gonna become more commonplace in the next couple of years. The infrastructure for that is really small right now, but it's happening. Especially in major Metro areas. Also another big thing was the there's more video streaming coming. So epics and Tobi
Jason Howell (00:27:56):
<Laugh>,
Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:57):
Yeah're both free streaming services. Yeah. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative> one thing to note about this distinction is that if I recall correctly, this is coming to Android automotive OS, which is the embedded software inside cars. Oh, that's kind of a different product pipeline than what we're talking about with Android auto. I think they will probably make this available at some point to just regular Android auto users. But my understanding is that this video streaming capability what's happening here is all to kind of like set a base for the future cars that are going to have Android auto motive pulsating through them, just
Jason Howell (00:28:41):
Powering,
Huyen Tue Dao (00:28:41):
Think of another description. Yeah. <Laugh> so look forward to this new UI this summer. I am looking forward to it. The biggest thing to know about it because of that split screen mode, you're now gonna have navigation and media controls on the same screen, which is very important, cuz it means you're going to tap at the screen a little bit less while you're behind the wheel, just to be able to get through the different options.
Jason Howell (00:29:09):
So with an Android auto interface, like if you have the maps up that normally there's no like music controls whatsoever showing there, you have to that
Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:17):
Sucks. It's in a separate, you have to tap into the app, which is like in this little launcher doc area that they added, it's a lot better than the previous iterations, but it would just make more sense to have it all there. The way that like the Subaru stock OS that I have in, in the family car, <laugh> in the way that
Jason Howell (00:29:37):
Everybody uses these things. I'm sure a little bit differently, but I'd say the predominant majority of people are probably listening to something and you know, probably have, have used for the maps. I mean, not everybody uses maps to go everywhere, but those two things running concurrently seems like something that I imagine a large rocket percent of people want at the same time. Yeah, exactly. Those two things. Pretty
Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:59):
Standard track media controls.
Jason Howell (00:30:00):
<Laugh>
Huyen Tue Dao (00:30:01):
Yeah. And I just wanna add my biggest pet peeve right now, since I, since I have the con is <laugh> that the driving, the assistant driving mode on the phone doesn't easily let you go and change media apps. So I can't like jump into a podcast. I can only control Spotify. I cannot go into podcasts.
Jason Howell (00:30:24):
The
Huyen Tue Dao (00:30:24):
Don't use Spotify for podcasts. Stop getting me to use Spotify for podcasts
Jason Howell (00:30:28):
Is the assistant driving mode. The thing that appears if I launch maps and navigate somewhere and then it's down in the bottom corner or is it down to the bottom? Like third at the screen?
Huyen Tue Dao (00:30:37):
Yeah. Or what you do is you go into your car like me, you wait for the Roe bolt to turn on and then you go, okay, G turn on driving mode. And then it officially brings up like the full screen. Otherwise you're just in the regular phone mode, phone mode and a lot everything's a lot smaller, which is harder for tapping. Yeah.
Jason Howell (00:30:55):
Why
Ron Richards (00:30:55):
I will say, say
Huyen Tue Dao (00:30:56):
Very precise and thorough.
Ron Richards (00:30:59):
I will say that recently. I, I this past weekend I drove up to Vermont to go to a wedding. So I was in the car for six hours and I was like, all right, well, I'm using Android auto, let's do it. And the, because you know, I'm plugging in via USB cable or the, I didn't, I forgot to bring my a wireless, but it would've killed my battery. But because am on a Subaru where the head unit allows you to choose Android auto as an app switching between the radio and the maps and Android auto was just a nightmare. Oh, like having to like leave Android auto to go to Sirius XM change station and go back to time. Oh my,
Huyen Tue Dao (00:31:32):
My God, I get so angry every time I, this is why I don't drive. I don't like driving the Subaru, even though it has Android auto in it. Cuz it's just like,
Ron Richards (00:31:40):
Cause it's yeah. Cuz it it's, it's, it's a Bolton, you know, like it's not
Jason Howell (00:31:43):
Totally
Ron Richards (00:31:43):
Integrated. You know, when we switched over to listen in a pocket cast, it was fine because it was all, if you're contained in the Android auto experience, then that's fine. But yeah.
Jason Howell (00:31:51):
So, so you have to go out of it. Be
Ron Richards (00:31:53):
It'd be a lot, it would be a lot cooler if there's a way to bridge to control the, the, the cars radio system from Android auto, if there was a way to go out. I don't know. Yeah. But
Jason Howell (00:32:03):
Yeah. So like a common language that, yeah, I
Ron Richards (00:32:07):
Don't know. But going back to going back to the stuff that they announced that I owe, I was fascinated by that video of like the, the display in the car that changes shape. That's pretty cool. I want
Jason Howell (00:32:15):
On <laugh> yeah. It just magically turns from
Ron Richards (00:32:17):
Yeah. It's magically portrait. Yeah.
Jason Howell (00:32:20):
For
Huyen Tue Dao (00:32:20):
That I'm coming to BMWs in 2027.
Jason Howell (00:32:23):
What display do you want? Because this display can be all of them.
Ron Richards (00:32:27):
Yeah, exactly. Just
Jason Howell (00:32:28):
Gets the rollable in every direction. Yeah. Yeah.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:32:31):
But it, but it really is like, it really does speak though to this strategy they're doing with Android auto is very similar to what they were doing with Android on phones. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>
Jason Howell (00:32:42):
Just with regards
Huyen Tue Dao (00:32:42):
Totally. To like, yeah. So many different screen sizes now, you know, some OEMs want to have it like Subaru, it works on top of their OS, others like Volvo, I think, has it fully integrated in the car? Like just when you turn the car on, it's made of Android. So this, this future is a little weird and I really am, am concerned about it, but that's, I've said it before and many times again about why. So
Jason Howell (00:33:09):
It keeps getting just a little bit better each time, just a little bit better on the phone. I mean not on the app, not on the, not, well the app. Yeah. Basically doesn't exist anymore.
Ron Richards (00:33:22):
So the LA last one here. Yep. So yeah, so we touched on all this sort of stuff we touched on Android auto. Of course we need to touch on Google TV. As at IO, they announced that Google TV's Android 13 beta is out as well. And the exciting news coming out of this is that picture and picture and Android TV and Google TV which is pretty exciting. Devs can use the keep clear API to avoid any inconvenient overlays in the process. And also they've got improved APIs in the audio manager for handoff, between devices, HDMI state changes can automatically pause playback when HDMI presence has changed and keyboard lays throughout the new input device API. So Google TV gets a little more mature with, with Android 13 which is exciting.
Jason Howell (00:34:09):
That's flow. I have to say that I appreciated in your article, your, your kind of your memory of the nineties of the, the magic of technology was picture and picture mode and TVs. Cuz I, I do remember that and going, oh, I want that cuz I don't know why, but apparently I need to watch two things on the same screen at the same time. And now it remember Costco finally coming to Google TV, <laugh>
Huyen Tue Dao (00:34:33):
Just like walk through Costco and all the TVs. Yes. They would all have picture and picture and I'd just be like, wow, you can watch the Olympics and soap operas at the same time.
Jason Howell (00:34:42):
And how often have you done that? Really?
Huyen Tue Dao (00:34:46):
Actually I wa I do picture and picture every single day I watch it. Like on my phone, I, I watch PTO TV in a, in a little window and then I do my animal crossing rounds. Oh, okay. I do the same thing. I play my, I play,
Jason Howell (00:34:59):
But
Huyen Tue Dao (00:34:59):
That's the mobile game.
Jason Howell (00:35:01):
<Laugh>
Mike Wolfson (00:35:01):
See. But that's a different use case than on a TV actually. So I also love like on my tablet having picture and picture, but you're talking about something different you're not talking about.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:35:10):
Okay. But Mike, what I'm trying to say is that my love for picture and picture started at a very
Jason Howell (00:35:14):
Young. I see.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:35:15):
I see. And now that it is just available to me and Anthony
Jason Howell (00:35:17):
It's evolved over time and now picture and picture is something different, but I've never, I've never, well, probably not. Never probably back in the days that I actually watched football. I, I would imagine I probably did a picture and picture of two games at the same time. Yes. That would be useful I suppose. But sports is
Mike Wolfson (00:35:35):
A good use case for that. Yeah. Obviously
Jason Howell (00:35:36):
Not watching two soap operas or <laugh> right. That just always, you gotta get through a lot of TV
Huyen Tue Dao (00:35:42):
Quickly.
Jason Howell (00:35:42):
It could be a good option. It could be a good option there. But yeah. I mean, one of the sources would have to be a subtitle. Right. Because you can't totally at the same time. Yeah.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:35:51):
No there's enough emotion there. Jason, you can just feel what they're feeling. You don't, you
Jason Howell (00:35:55):
Don't need words. Oh, you're right. That's what acting is. <Laugh> is acting you're so right. You don't need to actually hear their words. I can see the pain pain in their
Huyen Tue Dao (00:36:05):
Watch them throw plates at each other. That's the whole point of reality. Exactly.
Jason Howell (00:36:11):
Well good. All right. So getting picture and picture. And then just real quick before we move on, just cuz there were more stories than we could even really dive into, but definitely a theme that we'll be talking about in the app section Google heavily leaning into AI, artificial intelligence and everything. Couple of well, one notable thing. They spent a good portion of time focused on the inclusivity of their apps and specifically about this this scale, this skin tone scale, which I realize I didn't write down the name of it, but the monk, the monk, the monk, there we go. The monk scale how they're integrating that into the technology that they're producing kind of started with the pixel six and you know, and the camera there and now they're broadening it out to other apps and services that Google's doing.
Jason Howell (00:37:01):
So that's a really great use of AI, of course really great stuff there. And then they also mentioned, and this has nothing to do with AI, but they mentioned a new kind of section that you can go into tied to your Google account to really get a sense it's called results about you. And it's just more insight into kind of ads and, and who Google knows you to be and how that's impacting your experience and everything doing, doing more on the, you know, more effort on the front of informing users about like what your data is, what your da, what data you're sharing about yourself, who Google sees you to be and giving you controls to be able to kind of wind that back or shave it down. And that's the wrong story
Huyen Tue Dao (00:37:51):
Or better target better have Google better target you.
Jason Howell (00:37:55):
Yeah, well that there is, yeah. That's another way to look at it. <Laugh>
Huyen Tue Dao (00:37:59):
This is exactly how I wanna be. I mean, honestly, this is how I wanna be targeted. Stop serving me any of this like weird fringy thing that keeps popping up on YouTube. Like if I can just make that ha stop happening to me here. Here's everything you need to know about me
Jason Howell (00:38:14):
Fringy or cringy or both? Probably both.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:38:17):
Both. Both. Both. Yeah. Yeah. No cringe on the fringe or fringy fringe cringy cringe
Jason Howell (00:38:25):
Cringes. That's some cringy
Huyen Tue Dao (00:38:27):
Fringes cringe fringe is cringe,
Jason Howell (00:38:28):
Cringe, fringes, cringe. Not always though. Sometimes fringes. I can't think of another word that rhymes like
Huyen Tue Dao (00:38:35):
On a jacket, like on a jacket. <Laugh> no, not fringe on jacket is fine
Jason Howell (00:38:40):
With
Huyen Tue Dao (00:38:41):
Fringy ideology
Jason Howell (00:38:42):
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Speaker 7 (00:44:28):
Woo.
Jason Howell (00:44:29):
So I divided this into three different disparate sections. This first section that flow's gonna do or device is coming soon. And then we will get to devices coming later and the device is coming much, much later. So it goes
Huyen Tue Dao (00:44:41):
To devices past president, future
Jason Howell (00:44:43):
<Laugh> that's, right.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:44:44):
Or present future and more and more future
Jason Howell (00:44:47):
Future. Exactly. Exactly. All right. You got the first one.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:44:51):
Goodness, my goodness. My Guinness there was a lot of hardware for this being a developer conference. Totally. Which is not necessarily a bad thing because obviously a people wanna know what's coming down the pipeline B developers need to know what's coming down the pipeline, right. To develop to that. So we know that there's a lot of new pixel hardware coming. Yes, we do. The first is the pixel six, a that's the mid range smartphone that we've been waiting for. But guess what? We have to wait a little bit longer.
Jason Howell (00:45:25):
Ah, man,
Huyen Tue Dao (00:45:26):
<Laugh> pre orders for that are not starting until July 21st again. That's it's, we're still in may, so there's a little bit of time to wait. And then it won't be on sale until July 28th. And that will be $450 for this phone already. So we gotta wait
Jason Howell (00:45:44):
Like two months.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:45:46):
Yeah. Is it two months? Thank you for doing the math. Yeah.
Jason Howell (00:45:50):
It's months. It's little more than two
Ron Richards (00:45:51):
Months. It's about two months.
Jason Howell (00:45:52):
About two months.
Ron Richards (00:45:53):
Yep.
Jason Howell (00:45:54):
Yeah. Gone are the days when Google announced something and says, and it's available right now or, or is that just a, a memory supply
Ron Richards (00:46:01):
Chain supply chain. Yeah.
Mike Wolfson (00:46:03):
So I gotta complain for a little bit. All
Jason Howell (00:46:06):
Right,
Ron Richards (00:46:06):
Here we go. Here we go. Okay.
Jason Howell (00:46:09):
Let's blind bike up.
Mike Wolfson (00:46:11):
<Laugh> it's ridiculous to me that they wouldn't just open the, the pre-orders now, even if the
Jason Howell (00:46:17):
Totally great.
Mike Wolfson (00:46:18):
It just seems really weird. They kept the, they kept like talking about the school stuff that they have and then saying pre-orders two months from now. It's like no excitement and it just deflated like everything.
Jason Howell (00:46:30):
Yeah. It loses the, it loses the lightning. Right. It loses the energy there a little bit when you're like, oh, I mean, because what, what holds a company back from just opening pre-orders now? Like, why not
Mike Wolfson (00:46:41):
Exactly. I don't get it.
Jason Howell (00:46:43):
I don't understand
Huyen Tue Dao (00:46:44):
Supply chain it's
Ron Richards (00:46:45):
Well, I was gonna say supply supply chain and I would, I would guess also the carriers. Like, I, I, I gotta imagine whenever, you know, especially with, you know, you know, Verizon and things like that, you know, like it, it's the combination of, of, of supply chain getting it into all those stores and shipping and all that sort of stuff. I think the, the, the two things that are going on the confluence of like, you know, like it's gonna take two months before it gets, becomes available. That's my
Jason Howell (00:47:10):
Guess. So, so when you say supply chain it's, if you've got two months of pre-orders that's two months of this building mound of phones that need to deliver on day one and they might not be able to do that. Is that the worry there? I just kind of assume like
Ron Richards (00:47:23):
They'd no, I think, I think that is actually, it's gonna take, it's gonna take time to actually get the inventory into the carrier stores.
Jason Howell (00:47:30):
Okay. That I
Ron Richards (00:47:31):
Understand. Yeah. And they don't, and they don't want, they don't wanna start selling it from the Google store earlier than that, because then they'll undercut their partners.
Jason Howell (00:47:40):
Oh yeah. Right. Yeah. Very well could be, could be the
Huyen Tue Dao (00:47:43):
Case. Yeah. See,
Jason Howell (00:47:44):
We're guessing of course
Huyen Tue Dao (00:47:46):
Renzo's got the angle, but the, the other reason why they announced it is because they are trying to build up a little bit of hype for what they are doing with the hardware lineup. And so we're gonna notice the theme as we all start kind of like talking about what was revealed. Yeah. So the big thing about the six a is that it has the same tensor chip as the regular six. Good ding, ding, ding sounds just like what apple just did. Yeah. With the iPhone 13 and the apple iPhone se very much similar thing. Also, Samsung's doing that with its a series lineup. So there's gonna be a lot of there's gonna be a lot of competition between these three in my mind for people's hands <laugh> so to speak because they're going at the $400 price point and then they're going at the 800 plus with their flagships. Yeah. So they figured why not just announce it going forward? Couple, just little specs on the six a that we know so far, 4,400, I think it's four 50 milliamp battery or is it four? 4 0 5, 4 0 5.
Jason Howell (00:48:49):
Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It's a, yeah. I, I could have that wrong.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:48:52):
I can't, I don't remember off the top of my head. I'm sorry right now. But there is six gigs of memory, which is something to keep in store. I think it's only a 90 Hertz refresh rate. It's not the full one 20. Okay. That you would get on like the galaxy a 53. That's like the big thing about that. That particular phone only 128 gigs of storage. So already it's a very like limited lineup that you're getting here. No more headphone Jack. Oh wow. So I knew quite a few people who reached out to me and were like, I do need to go buy my five, eight. It's the last of the headphone jacks that I can get. So
Jason Howell (00:49:29):
Yeah. Yeah.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:49:31):
That's, that's gonna be a bummer, but clearly like Google's using the, a series to go after those other two that, you know, but it's just, it feels weird to me that they're doing a July launch for it because you're completely missing the window that Samsungs and apple have right now. And I, I understand that apple is a different operating system, but it doesn't matter to sales numbers. Somebody will switch between Android and and iOS. Right. If what they're really concerned about is money and value. So something to keep in mind there,
Jason Howell (00:50:04):
I mean, you know, again, the, the missed window or the, the delayed window, you know, probably goes back to the whole supply chains. That's what we blame for all this stuff lately,
Huyen Tue Dao (00:50:13):
You know, and we know how tight apple and Samsung are in their own supply chains. Right. So it's gonna be an interesting story going forward. Yeah. beyond phones, we also have the pixel buds pro to look forward to. These are also very exciting. Also you have to wait until July, July 21st through the pre-order July 28th for the release $200 for this set of active noise cancellation enabled headphones. It's the first of Google's buds to have a and C, which is pretty exciting. There's going to be a custom audio processor on the earbuds, a six core audio chip that will help, you know, do all of that magic that goes on. That magic includes the AI sound shaping and spatial audio support, which is another like big thing that is happening in the earbud world for colors. Assuming they're going to match all the new pixels that are coming out, probably sorry to tease win, but you know, <laugh>, <laugh>, it's happening. <Laugh>
Jason Howell (00:51:15):
Yep. All right. It's happening. So pixel buds finally gets it gets its pro line or it's pro level with that, you know, noise cancellation, which is mm-hmm, <affirmative> kind of table stakes for, for premium in earbuds, you know, wireless earbuds at this point. Cool. Yeah. I, I'd be curious to check them out. I'm I'm less excited about these than a lot of the other announcements that they made, but it makes sense that they'd have they'd have that. But again, why not have those pre-orders open now, let people, let people start getting really excited and, and dropping down their intentions now, you know, I don't understand why you don't it's carriers, man. That's my guess. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're probably right. It's just a bummer. Yeah. Yeah. Alright, cool. When you have the devices coming later, section
Huyen Tue Dao (00:52:04):
Yes, I am. Your it's very exciting. I'm your ghost of devices coming later? Not too much later,
Jason Howell (00:52:09):
But a little bit later, <laugh> a little bit later and
Huyen Tue Dao (00:52:11):
A little bit later, and to start off maybe unsurprisingly or just confirming all of the leaks and renders and photos that we've had for the past several months, the pixel watch is real and it is coming later this year. Yes. That was very exciting to see. And it looks just like, you know, the ones left in restaurants and the renders we've seen, we've got a nice round phone there, little bit of half to it. There's still not a lot that we know about it in particular. We do know, and it was noted in the keynote. There will be some deep integrations with Fitbit. So leaning into the health and wellness, you know, sector of smart watches and wearables still not, what does that mean? It probably will have heart rate monitoring, sleep tracking, you know, fitness track activity tracking, but, you know, I, I'm kind of curious, and I know Phil, you noted in your article too, like what what's, where, where the balance will be between Google fit and Fitbit.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:53:03):
Yeah. Like it's kind of interesting to me, like how the two will interplay. I mean, of course Google owns Fitbit now, but there's still two, like just like many other Google things. They have different products doing the same thing. So how do we bring all these things together into a consistent experience will be interesting to see, of course we'll probably be running the new hybrid where OS three developed with Samsung and we'll have multiple color ways. And I actually didn't pick up on this at all, but it has custom Silicon. So yet another pixel device that Google is rolling with their own custom Silicon. So kind of filling out the ecosystem, not just with, you know, different devices and different form factors, but with their own Silicon though, again, we have no idea what that looks like yet, just yet. So we'll have to wait a little bit longer to see, and we might get a few more details when we actually get to know what the pixel seven and seven pro are, because those were also teased.
Huyen Tue Dao (00:53:55):
It is going to be like, I think I was more learn more and more in July, but the pixel seven and pixel seven pro look not too different than the pixel six and six pro keeping that lovely camera bar. But this time it's getting thinned out and metal metabolized rather than having a glass last plastic kind of thicker camera bar, it's gaining kind of turned into a nice metal that, that Fu that kind of integrates nicely with like metal sides. The colorways are pretty interesting because I think in the last few years, we've had some pretty fun colors, like at least a lot of varied colors. They're kind of looking a little more subdued than last year, but what I really like about the colors is that the, that it's not just the back that's, that's going to have some color to it, but also the metal frame that includes the camera bar and also the sides of the phone will also have some variation colors. So you kind of get like combos rather than individual colors, which is gonna be really nice. And again, we don't know too much more about it yet. This is just a, a, a vague teasing, but we will know that again, custom Silicon and this will have the next generation tenser chip. So pixel seven, seven pro, and your pixel watches to come more later in the well coming a little sooner rather than later in the year. <Laugh>
Ron Richards (00:55:07):
<Laugh>, I mean,
Jason Howell (00:55:09):
Probably the fall event to
Ron Richards (00:55:10):
The, this is, this is go going back and, and Mike, you can probably, you know, you, you probably attest this in terms of like the, the, the, I don't wanna say downer bummer that IO was, but like Google just keeps taking the wind out of our sales with speculation. <Laugh> <laugh> right. Like I like, like, it was, it was neat for that to see it worked. It was neat to see the pixel seven, but I feel like so much stolen, like the, the, the anticipation and the speculation. It just like it's. So anti-climatic now it's just, I, I don't know. It just, it's, it's a weird strategy. I, I get it, but I also miss the, you know, Ooh, there's a leak and some, they left it at a bar and like all this sort of stuff, like they're getting so ahead of that nonsense now. Yeah. I don't want this glimpse. I don't wanna see what the pixel seven looks like. It's announced where's the magic
Jason Howell (00:55:54):
Now. Now we're gonna see these photos of the pixel seven for the next four months. Whereas, you know, if this hadn't happened, who knows what we would see, you know, the, the, the blurry leaked from the, you know, the random dark room shot, you know, would be the the kind of hero image on, on the top of articles. And now instead we get, Google's very specific, very, you know, particular and chosen and and clear, and, and everything shots to, to promote the, the phone. But I dunno, are we, are we are we without too much surprise and joy, Mike, what do you think, do you <laugh>, would you prefer to have one thing surprise
Mike Wolfson (00:56:39):
That I would prefer to have more surprise? One thing I will say that surprised me or that I really liked about the new phones in particular, the six a was the design aesthetic they're going for and the industrial design of the devices they're really distinctive. And I think they're really nice looking, so, yeah. Yeah, especially the six, a actually it has a little bit of a different aesthetic even than the seven. But they all look very nice and very distinctive. Like you can see 'em I notice people using, I mean, I'm an Android. I mean, everybody in this room is an Android fishing, auto notices these things, but I definitely notice when people are using the pixel six now and it's really distinctive.
Jason Howell (00:57:16):
Yeah. Yeah. There, there are, there aren't other phones that look like it out in the wild. You definitely know when you see a pixel six out there and with the seven,
Mike Wolfson (00:57:24):
That six, a right there is you, you that, although
Jason Howell (00:57:28):
With the six a, you know, the camera system's way different, right? So it's it's a lot shallower. You can definitely tell that thing does not protrude nearly as much as it does on the sixth and sixth pro not, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, but that's just a Testament to the fact that with the, with the, a series you are getting a step down, I think what's interesting to me is this kind of new, this new world of the processor, you know, talking about pixel phones, the processor is no longer the step down thing. It's other things, you know, it's the camera or whatever, but the processor, Hey, you're getting the same banging processor on both on both, you know, the, the premium and the mid-range device. And so that's kind of out of the running, but the cameras, I think you probably end up seeing a big step step downwards on the, a series than what we're used to on the,
Ron Richards (00:58:19):
I will say I was, I was delighted that they did announce a six a because because my sister needs a new phone and this will be it. So there you go. And she doesn't, she doesn't watch this, so she doesn't know it, but I already talked to my brother-in-law about getting it for her. Nice. So yeah, she just
Jason Howell (00:58:32):
Doesn to wait two months,
Ron Richards (00:58:33):
She's gonna wait two months and pay 50, 50 bucks more, cuz she's on Verizon, which
Jason Howell (00:58:37):
Is stupid. Oh yeah. That is
Ron Richards (00:58:39):
Stupid carriers.
Jason Howell (00:58:41):
Yeah.
Ron Richards (00:58:42):
Mm mm. Wave or whatever that nonsense
Jason Howell (00:58:44):
Mumba wave,
Ron Richards (00:58:45):
Wave
Huyen Tue Dao (00:58:46):
Wave. It is pretty great when you get it. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah.
Jason Howell (00:58:50):
But how often do you get it?
Ron Richards (00:58:52):
Is, is it though flow? Is it,
Jason Howell (00:58:54):
Oh please.
Ron Richards (00:58:55):
<Laugh>
Huyen Tue Dao (00:58:56):
I, I just wanna, is it worth $50 by the way? I just wanna quickly make a little clarification on the pixel watch chip because I realized it was my article used the clarification is that we do not know if Google is making the chip. That's the only clarification I wanted to offer. Yes. It, so custom Silicon, I realized something was, but
Jason Howell (00:59:21):
I just might
Huyen Tue Dao (00:59:22):
Not to clarify.
Jason Howell (00:59:23):
Yeah. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative> and in fact, I was just looking this up and even, even today, and I, and I missed this before the show, but even the last 24 hours there, you know, there's some people writing about the possibility that this is an NCE ship from 2018 or something like that. So custom, but <laugh> maybe not new custom but could fall, but that would
Huyen Tue Dao (00:59:45):
Suck, but it falls in line with the understanding that this would be something built with Samsung. Yeah. So, because that was the other thing that was really confusing. And, and again, I'm, I just wanna clarify on this because because we didn't get like full news on this. Some of these things came out, you know, during the keynote as well. And one of the things is it was a little confusing as to why Samsung was a part of this announcement. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> because you would think pixel watch that means this is just Google doing its own thing. So yeah. It's another wait and see, we're not supposed to really expect this until October. So any,
Mike Wolfson (01:00:22):
So one thing about until then, oh, sorry. One thing about Samsung and Google and I was just looking for it. And I couldn't find it necessarily. I thought that they announced a new health platform in accordance with the watch where they did Sams mm-hmm <affirmative> and that could be important actually.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:39):
Yeah. It's it's a new health API, which I like briefly looked over last week. Sorry, Mike. I, I, I meant to be
Mike Wolfson (01:00:46):
Like, no, you know, more than I do.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:48):
So I thought you were gonna say more. So that's
Mike Wolfson (01:00:50):
Why I stopped. I was searching, was searching for, I can't find it, but you know, more
Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:54):
Than me. Yeah, I had, I, I put it in a slide show on Gizmoto. So if you really need to go look it up, you can go look it up. In the Google IO recap things you might have missed@gizmoto.com, but it is a health connection API, and it's supposed to help cut down. Remember a long time ago, we did a show where we talked about the, what was the app, Jason, remember the app that you needed, the health, health sync. Yep. Health sync.
Jason Howell (01:01:20):
Oh, to sync between Google fit and Samsung
Huyen Tue Dao (01:01:24):
And Samsung health.
Jason Howell (01:01:24):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I can't remember
Huyen Tue Dao (01:01:26):
The name of that. So this is basically gonna bridge that it's gonna give access to EV make it just so Google fit will work with my understanding is any oh, okay. Of the compatible Android watches. So good things are coming to everybody.
Jason Howell (01:01:40):
Good things to those who wait, one question before we move on and Ron, you've got, you've got some exciting stuff to talk about here in a second. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> is okay. So going back to the pixel watch one last time and this integration with Fitbit and, and like some of the best features of Fitbit coming to where OS, what does that mean? Because I've never had a Fitbit. So I don't actually know what Fitbit does that, where OS doesn't already do. Like they both track fitness, but how is fit? How is Fitbit doing it differently? Is it B because it's a battery battery experience is the, is Fitbit actually tracking something in health that where a west just simply can't track? Like what does that sharing of things mean that effectively makes the, where OS experience better? Because it's getting it from Fitbit. I still don't know the answer to that. And maybe you guys don't either, this could be a, a, you know, a question for an email. If somebody out there this, this
Huyen Tue Dao (01:02:35):
Is a question, honestly, Jason, this is a question for a fitness wearables expert. And, and I mean, this sincerely, because I realize like coming into the Android beat, I thought I knew everything I did about wearables, but there is a whole little subsection that if you are not a person using it daily, it's, it's hard to completely understand.
Jason Howell (01:03:00):
Yeah.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:03:01):
Like how that information is shared and you know, what kind of the nuances are.
Jason Howell (01:03:07):
Yeah. Yeah.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:03:08):
So yeah, if, if you, you know,
Jason Howell (01:03:10):
Maybe someone out there you find some good guesses. No, no, yeah. I mean, it's, it's just a question that I still have yet to understand. I haven't seen anyone really tackle it, you know, or every, I hear what everybody says, which is yay. Fitbit, you know, coming to where OS and somebody in the chat room just said, Fitbit is like having a kicker box. They were just the best early. And maybe that's it, maybe Fitbit was just really good early on and they all kind of do, but, but then if that's the case, then what is the, the value? I don't know, but I'm, I'm hopeful, but I still don't really understand, like how that,
Huyen Tue Dao (01:03:44):
Well, you don't wanna abandon all the people who have been in this ecosystem for like 10 years. No, for sure. Have all that, all that, you know, running data, people who have just like, you know, had their whole health lives around that. Yeah. yeah, I will say it's important though, as someone who is on a non-smart wearable, that, that integration is important. And like, you know, I, I've kind of, I've mentioned before that I'm on a totally different non brand. Right. And what is important to me is being able to pull that data into other things, like I'm actually on Strava, even though I don't really run cycle, but for like the social aspect and then even pulling it into Google fit and having like Withings and like, cuz we have like the Withing scale. And I used to have like the Withings watch and, and things like that.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:04:27):
And having my data like go to all these places so that, you know, whether it's a social aspect or whether it's integrating it with say with weddings, with my blood pressure, which I should be really taking more often and you know, kind of the other things that's really important. So maybe it is that. And I think that if you're on Fitbit, maybe that makes it easier to kind of start kind of exploring the device space outside of Fitbit is being able to kind of feel like, oh, well I can still have my Fitbit and have my pixel watch cake and eat it too. Wait a minute. That didn't work out. But you know what I mean? Yeah. I, I think that's a good point though, as someone who is a bit of a fitness nut and who likes my data and I mean, I, that's the one thing that I will ding about this little tracker that I use is the integrations are really minimal. Like it, it goes to Strava, which is basically it as opposed to going to Google fit, which is more E and to be kind of imported to other places. So that is a problem. And it, it might maybe, maybe that's it. If you're a Fitbit, a Fitbit user, please tell us I'm I'm actually really curious.
Jason Howell (01:05:23):
Yeah. I'm super curious about that too. Triple a Twitter TV. And I'm sure we're gonna hear from somebody about this. I'm very curious to know what y'all think Fitbit could actually bring to wears to make it better. So answer that. All right, Ron, you got the, the future looking crystal ball thing.
Ron Richards (01:05:42):
So yeah. So not only is it future looking, but I kind of wanna take a victory lap. <Laugh> and also, and also extend 20, 22 is the year of the tablet and we're just gonna, we're gonna keep rolling with it and make 20, 23 the year the tablet. Great. <Laugh> because
Jason Howell (01:05:59):
A decade of the tablet
Ron Richards (01:06:01):
At Google IO, they did tease the pixel tablet is coming in 2023. And it's gonna be a premium device for a premium device. What they showed looked awfully. Well, let's say simple. Yeah. It looked, it looked kind of like a removed the screen removed from a nest hub. It looked very you know, you know, kind of clean white bezel. It looks like if you just attached it from that base on a nest hub. But it lines up with previous invest investigative work by a friend of the show, Michelle Ramon to that effect. So Hey, pixel tablet, an official, like we've been hearing about how, you know, you know, they're Android for wider devices and, and all this sort of stuff. And we've said on the show, right Jason and who recently we've said that, like, if we're really gonna see tablet adoption, Google's gotta get behind it with a device and here they are with a device. So I'm, I was happy as a, as a tablet user. Well,
Huyen Tue Dao (01:06:55):
It didn't work with Chrome
Ron Richards (01:06:56):
OS, so yeah. Right.
Jason Howell (01:06:58):
Oh, they're back.
Ron Richards (01:06:59):
Did tablet did it flow though? Did it? But <laugh> but, but it didn't stop there in the future. In fact, Google glass <laugh> that's back. Yeah. It's back. If anybody had that on their bingo card, you could see it. Yeah. So, so they had frames that looked like actual glasses frames, although there's still a little on the thick side, but that could be your style. So that's okay. Could be, yeah. Real time translation in front of the eyes which as we know, something I find amazing. The product was never mentioned to have a market date of any kind demos were simulated. And other announcements seem perfectly primed for good device for, for a device like seen exploration and Google lens that can ID multiple products in the camera's view to display info about them. But ultimately this glass looks to be very augmented reality que in that regard. So yeah, so, you know, Google's trying to get back into the AR world with, with a new Google glass someday. But it all seemed very hypothetical at this point. So no,
Huyen Tue Dao (01:08:02):
They didn't. Did they not even call it? Oh, sorry. Did they not even say the GLA SS word? Because I think I was watching it and I was like, live tweeting. I was like, oh my God has glass coming back. Cuz we had just like talked about like the 10th anniversary of glass. So it seemed apropo I don't think. And I think I was waiting. I don't think they did. I don't think they did no. And they're like, oh, it's a prototype. And I, I kind of all went, oh my gosh, Google glasses back. And then the segment ended. I'm like, is it, what is it? But it's been back, it's spin back in the enterprise.
Jason Howell (01:08:32):
Right. Which is in the enterprise. Right. Cause Google glasses, a product still exists. It is a certain thing that Google actively still sells for the enterprise. And this is just, this is different. This ties into, you know, the, the the energy of apple, you know, creating their own glasses. And you know, the other companies that are doing the same,
Huyen Tue Dao (01:08:53):
This is pixel buds in a glasses frame. Yes,
Jason Howell (01:08:57):
Yes.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:08:57):
Yeah. This is, this is, this is meta. This is Meta's Ray bans. This is what this is. And it's gonna be better because Google has already done the work with all the translation. Just that translation alone. Yes. Oh my that's God's pretty good feature. Like mm-hmm, <affirmative> that's holy crap. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative>, that's what I want out of life out of something.
Mike Wolfson (01:09:20):
So we were talking a second ago about, you could like look at stuff and you know, maybe see information about it. I don't see a camera on those and that's a super important nuance because the camera in the original glass were, that was the big problem that everybody had. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> such big issues with mm-hmm <affirmative> I don't see a camera on that. No.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:09:40):
So maybe not thes, just
Mike Wolfson (01:09:43):
Yeah, that does limit functionality quite a bit if you're you know, only
Jason Howell (01:09:47):
Yeah, well, that's, that's a really good point because when we think of AR systems right now, we, we do need, like, when I think of, of like what we know about what FA what meta is creating around their AR solution, you know, those, those headsets they have out for facing cameras, not necessarily because I want to record a video of this person that I'm talking to, but because that's how the system collects information about your environment. Yeah. In order to overlay, in order to contextualize the thing you were talking about, Ron, you know, was a feature that, that that search tool, you know, they showed it off on the phone where I think it was like a selection of like chocolates or something and it held up their phone and it, it had all this, you know, augmented information pointing to all the things in real time and maybe their ratings and their prices and that sort of stuff.
Jason Howell (01:10:42):
And so they didn't necessarily show off that feature as something that would be in the glasses, but you could kind of see how a feature like that would, could, and would eventually end up in a glasses if it was created the right way. But these glasses would not be able to do that cuz they don't have a camera that will. So how are they gonna make contextualize you know, guesses on anything out in the world war, audio? Yep. Yeah. They're very, very limited, but sure. Someday <laugh> I don't know when that is, but someday maybe they'll get there. You got it, Jason. Yeah, totally, totally. On the ball. Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see. But still interesting nonetheless, that Google is still, you know, working, working in that space and I guess not that surprising, it seems like everybody is right now whether they want to talk about it or not, Google's talking about it. So
Huyen Tue Dao (01:11:32):
Yeah, it does seem to fit in with some of their other things. And I, I think maybe I'm jumping ahead a little bit, but for example, one of the things like along with this is like the hardware manifestation of a lot of their AI work. And actually one of my favorite announcements was the model based language, as opposed to like direct translation where generally translation works with pairing kind of similar sentence structures, you know, for, you know, translation services where Google's actually working on building specific models, individual tool language. And so not having to rely on a, I think it was like a bilingual translation is what they're doing. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so I, I think this is really interesting in that for this to work. I think those kind of models will need to be better. Like just as an example, like as I'm learning Japanese, the kind of traditional way of like learning for language like we do here in America is to kind of, again, always pair it with like, you know, here's the Spanish sentence and here's the English equivalent and that doesn't really work.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:23):
And like I think traditionally languages like Japanese I've had okay. But not great Google, Google translation. So for this to actually work, they need to kind of be more sophisticated and to kind of get away from this functional, but a little bit rote kind of way of doing translation. So I, I really like this a lot because they're trying to kind of connect their consumer facing hardware side with all of these interesting developments that yeah. Like saying that they have like a, I forgot exactly what the term was, but yeah. The model based, you know, languages, especially for ones that like indigenous languages and all things like that, which are very difficult to, to learn in a specific way. I, I like that a lot and it's like, okay, that's a cool idea. And that that's, that's really awesome. Say for maybe people of, you know, use, you know native speakers of these languages, but to kind of put it in a consumer facing product is what really kind of, I think sells it or makes you realize, Hey, this is really interesting tech, we're doing a lot of cool stuff and eventually it will find its way to you and to your family and to, you know, hopefully be, be a way to improve your life.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:13:26):
So I, I really like this a lot. It it's like, Hey, here's like a shiny toy, but, and here's all the, the kind of hard AI based neural networks that go behind the shiny toy. Yeah. So it all kind of fits, I think.
Jason Howell (01:13:37):
Yeah. Now Google just stay excited about these things. Okay. Don't don't get distracted please. Don't don't stop being excited girl and forget, just stay excited. Keep that excitement. Okay. So we can actually see some of these things happen. All right. Coming up next. We've got some app news. That's up next.
Speaker 8 (01:13:58):
Hi, this is Leo Laport for the last 13 years. We've been doing a podcast called this week in Google, featuring Jeff Jarvis, Stacy Higginbotham, aunt Pruitt and myself. Yeah. When we first started, it was all about, but really it's all about everything going on in the world of tech, from Google to meta, from apple to TikTok, we talk tech and have a lot of fun doing it. If you wanna keep up on the world of tech, join us every Wednesday for this week in Google, you'll find it at twit TV and wherever you get your podcasts.
Jason Howell (01:14:37):
The show is so there's so much I know there is <laugh> I know. Well this is the app. Never. It is never ending. I love it. The app block, you know, doesn't necessarily go on and on. We have, we've had a lot to talk about so far. These are just kind of a couple of key key services and apps that, that Google made some updates on during the show. For example the, we were talking about the tablet just a few minutes ago. Google did say that it's updating more than 20 of its own apps to fit the large screen. And we've talked about this in the show many times, Hey, Google's gotta kind of put their money where their mouth is. If they really want developers to focus and go all in, on these larger screen experiences, they need to also do that with their apps.
Jason Howell (01:15:23):
And apparently they are Ron Amadio actually went through, you know, Google had shared a photo of all these different UIs, you know, just blanketed and dotted across the screen. Ron Amadio took the time to kind of go through and try and understand at least some of the apps that were shown there getting updates. And so I don't, I mean, it's all the ones that you expect, right? Like we don't have to name them because it's basically all Google apps that are relevant for the most part. But anyways, so it looks like Google is actually going to follow through and, and, you know, do the work that is required to make their apps, tablet friendly. I hope that they continue to keep them optimized because there must have been a time when tablets 1.0, you know, time happened where Google made updates to their apps to make them more tablet friendly. And then at some point they probably stopped because tablets became less of a thing. They were less inclined internally to make those updates and to really focus on tablet optimization. Do we believe that that Google is going to make that commitment for good going forward now? Like, is this time different than it was before? As far as that's concerned, what do you all think?
Huyen Tue Dao (01:16:36):
I mean, they better. And so this is like, this is like back to the dev thing where I think it's been really interesting that they're doing this now. So something that, and like, maybe like Mike, if you wanna chime in on this, like, I think for me at work throughout these entire career, as an Android dev, a lot of times when we are say designing something or going through and kind of refining an interaction, we use Google apps as a reference. Like that's just how it is a lot, especially in Android dev world, it's very often defined designers that don't actually have a lot of experience with Android. They more have experience with other platforms. And so a lot of times, you know, in order to kind of find a comparable experience, an analog, you look to a Google app, you look to Google photos, you look to Google maps, you look to Gmail and you see what Google is doing and, and, and how they do things to kind of create an authentic idiomatic entered experience.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:23):
And this is what I feel like we've been missing for large screens for sure is that we need inspiration and we need guidelines and we need to know how to do things. And it it's, it's kind of like, yeah, you gave us a lot of like technical tools and APIs, but it's kind of like the inspiration and like the hard, like the, the real life examples that have been missing that I know I've been missing because I think sometimes saying, okay, make your apps great for large screens is great and all, but there's like a connection between, okay, sure. I can make it look not tiny. Like not make it look like the, the text is super tiny and there's tons of blank space, but to actually make an, an, an interesting interaction, we need examples and we need to know, like, we need to, we need to follow lead a little bit.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:18:03):
And then maybe from there spring onto our killer large screen idea. So freaking finally, and they really need to keep doing this. Cause I, I, I think again, like it's always been the case for me that whenever I say I need you to, I need, I need, I need us to do this interaction this way. Look at how Gmail works. This is how people expect you to work. So I, I I'm very much for this and they need to keep us up if they want to get devs and keep devs on this, on this large private chain. But that's just my personal opinion.
Mike Wolfson (01:18:29):
Okay. So I'm not sure if this is a yes and or a no, but, and it actually, maybe
Huyen Tue Dao (01:18:34):
Both <laugh> both is
Mike Wolfson (01:18:37):
So I do love to see these Google apps being updated for inspiration. And that is super useful because it gives designers some kind of ideas of what can be done and cool, you know, metaphors the problem is Google never does stuff consistently or, and, or consistently with the material design specs. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so it becomes problematic because designer will ask for something that is maybe kind of non-standard or weird based on Google, on one Google app doing it that way, because Google where I would rather follow like design standards or something that are consistent. So yeah. It's a little bit of both, I think actually,
Jason Howell (01:19:17):
Yeah, I think that's a good point. So time will tell but I'm looking forward to that and yeah. Flow. You've got, where are you there? You are your other side of my shoulder.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:19:30):
Right over here.
Jason Howell (01:19:31):
There you go. You've got the next one. And this one, this was this was a moment where I know a lot of people laughed out loud.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:19:38):
<Laugh> I did. I did. I did. Yes. I did not laugh about this. I thought it was very, so Google wallet is back
Jason Howell (01:19:49):
<Laugh>
Huyen Tue Dao (01:19:51):
We, we kind of already saw this because anybody who saw the workspace updates that hit a couple weeks ago saw the updated icons for this. So we kind of knew that like something was happening and this icon looks vaguely familiar if you've ever looked on past book on iOS. So Google wallet it's back it will replace Google pay on the phone. That's gonna happen automatically. So one day you'll wake up and you'll have a different icon unless you have an icon pack like me and the designer has an updated the icon pack. Then it's still gonna say Google pay that's
Ron Richards (01:20:25):
That's a you problem.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:27):
Okay. Whatever <laugh>. So you told me to customize these
Jason Howell (01:20:32):
Things. <Laugh> that's true. Yeah. That's true. Good point. So,
Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:36):
Hmm. The nice thing about Google wallet. So it is a secure digital credential store. So what it's going to do is it was going to house your credit and debit cards. Like it has been your transit and event tickets. Like it kind of has been your airline boarding passes. Like it has been your loyalty and gift cards. Like it has been, and coming soon, your vaccination records, but also actually it does do vaccination records now, but coming soon is driver's license and state IDs. That was the big, really big thing. Because now you'll have to think about one less thing. When you think keys, wallet, phone, before you leave the house. Nice. So, you know, something, unless your car has that ultra wide band technology, then, then you don't even need the keys. You just need your phone.
Jason Howell (01:21:24):
That was true. That'd
Ron Richards (01:21:25):
Be amazing. I will, I will say all the joking about the name aside this, this does seem, seem like a good evolution. Yeah. Right. As, as, as someone who uses Google pay now, and like, I used it for my boarding pass recently on, on, on flights and, and, you know, and, and, you know, I will say trying to find that stuff in the current app, and we talked about this on the show a couple weeks ago. Right, right. Jason talking about the, like, it could be like, if I didn't get that notification that my boarding pass was in GP, I, I don't know if I could have found it again, you know, and like finding my loyalty card is a hassle amongst all the offered and all that nonsense, having that stuff isolated and functional, like it like all joking aside, this looks like where it should be going and where folks over at iOS seem to have with, with the apple wallet and all that stuff. That sort of stuff. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so I'm, I'm okay with it, but it's just, it's, it's just too comical in terms of the naming and all that sort of stuff.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:23):
So, well, it's, Google's done this before. They did this with Google TV. When they called it Google TV in the early 2010s, then it went to Android TV and now Android TV kind of still exists in Google TV around.
Jason Howell (01:22:36):
So it's even weirder. Yeah.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:38):
It's, it's a commentary on this. Just like idea that we can just tell the users what to do when they'll do it. But it adds, this is why everybody calls it. Oh, are you using apple pay? Right? Oh, are you gonna use apple pay? Because nobody knows what Google Google's equivalent is. And I don't know that this branding's gonna change it, but it'll be good for us Android users. So that's something to look forward to.
Jason Howell (01:23:01):
I, I guess the, the good news is it's still Google pay when you're at a kiosk or when you're at, when you're at a store, right. Like right. Google, at least isn't going through this BI this major name change on the technology itself. And that seems to be the differentiator, Google wallet, houses, Google pay, Google wallet, you know, has all of your cards and everything. But you use that to Google pays at places where you see the Google pay and logo. And yeah. So I, I agree with what you, what you both were saying, as far as this it's, it's silly. It's funny that Google has done it again, where they've really come full circle with their naming conventions. Sometimes it just seems like they, maybe there isn't a forward thinking kind of element to how they name their products, because sometimes it really feels like that's the case, but, but I understand why they did it. And yeah. It's not a bad choice. It's just funny. Yeah. No,
Huyen Tue Dao (01:23:54):
<Laugh>, it's not a bad choice. Do I wish that they had a space for me to upload a virtual black Jack how to play card? Absolutely. That's something I'm gonna mix, you know, cause that's something I carry around in my wallet for if I ever end up in Vegas just like one morning, I don't know. Yeah. but the other, a good point is I'm trying to manifest Vegas for myself.
Jason Howell (01:24:16):
<Laugh>
Huyen Tue Dao (01:24:17):
Me. I, I can't go until the kid's faxed,
Jason Howell (01:24:19):
But anyway, I was gonna say, you don't, you probably don't wanna go right now, but no,
Huyen Tue Dao (01:24:23):
<Laugh> the last thing, and this is, this is gonna be good for a copious online shoppers, which is that Chrome is going to get built in virtual credit cards. My understanding is this is something I think, five other brows other browsers, other browsers do. So it's a security feature that hides a real credit card in details from sites. And I did ask if this is like tokenization on Google pay. The difference is that instead of a random number generated for every single transaction, this is specifically a virtual card that lives specifically on your Google Chrome account. Okay. So would you pay for things? The online merchant will not see the physical card number. They will see whatever the virtual card number is, and that is what will be associated with your online payments. And you can cancel a card through a Google interface when this comes through and you won't even have to deal with the annoying credit card company. Awesome. So
Jason Howell (01:25:22):
Yeah,
Huyen Tue Dao (01:25:22):
Unless of course they call you to pay your bill, but that's your own thing.
Jason Howell (01:25:27):
<Laugh> again, that's a, that's a you problem.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:25:30):
That's a you
Jason Howell (01:25:30):
Thing. Yeah. I mean, this is very, very similar least some of this functionality sounds very similar to a sponsor. I believe there's still a sponsor on the network privacy that does exactly this. And I mean, the idea is then you're not sharing your actual credit card number. You're sharing this kind of like this it's, it's almost like a credit card number shortcut that you can use on sites that are accepted for as credit cards. And then if you ever wanna like not pay for that service anymore and you know, maybe you canceled it and they still ended up charging you one last month or whatever, you can cut it off the source. And so it ends up being really useful for that. If that credit card number gets stolen or someone, you know, finds it, you can cancel it very easily, like you said, through the Google interface. So yeah, I think that's a pretty awesome security privacy feature, privacy and security, good stuff like it. When you have the messaging beat, apparently
Huyen Tue Dao (01:26:33):
Do do I, I can't, I was gonna drop a beat, but I can't. I'm sorry.
Jason Howell (01:26:37):
I'm just not that
Huyen Tue Dao (01:26:39):
Well, ours. Wow. RCS y'all will amidst all the kind of more flashy and kind of hardware announcements at Google IO, 2022, there was another announcement and that is that RCS will have end to end encryption for group chats. Quote, later this year in a email sent to the press go, Google stated that that the feature will be rolling at later this year. It will be a beta beta first. So it's not kind of a free for all of RCS group chats being encrypted, but considering that one one to one messaging or single person, wait, how would you, yeah, what's the of a group chat one to one, one to one messaging already had end to end encryption support since late 2020. And since I feel like these days end end encryption is kind of table stakes for messaging apps. I mean, lates later is better. Was it better? Late than never, but in our, in the year of our smartphone, 2022, it's probably about time that we got some end in encryption for RCS, but Hey, progress is progress. Yeah. And I noticed this last week during the keynote and I thought, was it the keynote or the dev developer keynote?
Jason Howell (01:27:45):
It was during the keynote.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:27:46):
It was during the main keynote. Yeah. During the main keynote, Google wanted to highlight the fact that RCS should end well, hopefully be the future of messaging by sitting that they in fact had 500 million people actively using RCS messaging and then took, you know, sometimes say, quote, we hope that every mobile operating system gets the message and upgrades to RCS. So your messages are private, no matter what device you're using. So I can't imagine who, whom they might be talking to with that, or who might be,
Jason Howell (01:28:14):
There's so many mobile operating systems out there, like take your pick
Huyen Tue Dao (01:28:19):
<Laugh>. I mean, really there's just hundreds and so many out there. And I'm sure, I, I can't imagine one of them that wouldn't want to make things easier for their users and yeah. Communication by adopt, just adopting freaking RCS already, but, you know, Hey, Google has confirmed 500 million people and hopefully we'll get a few more million on there sooner rather than later. But I did laugh when I heard this. Of course.
Jason Howell (01:28:43):
I mean,
Huyen Tue Dao (01:28:43):
Yeah. I think, I mean, I think that, you know, it's very impressive 5 million years, but to kind of say it during the keynote, I was actually gonna sitting in my chair and I think I literally said, oh, that's spicy. <Laugh> <laugh> spicy right there. So yeah, just, just for our entertainment and possibly not Shain Freuder, but like hopes for a new, better connected with RCS future. There you go.
Jason Howell (01:29:06):
Yeah. Yeah. Do, are we hopeful? Do we, do we think that the other, all of the other mobile operating systems are the many of them out there are going to support RCS or just really the one that
Ron Richards (01:29:18):
I think you gotta stay optimistic. You gotta stay optimistic. RCS is the
Huyen Tue Dao (01:29:22):
Future. That's a good, that's a good thing.
Ron Richards (01:29:24):
I dunno, Mike, Mike, what do you think, do you think is ever gonna happen?
Mike Wolfson (01:29:27):
I hope so, but with Google, you never know, obviously
Ron Richards (01:29:31):
<Laugh>, I don't know,
Huyen Tue Dao (01:29:33):
Guys, if you look at Twitter right now, you'll see people complaining about the spam they get through RCS, which I could see that weapon. That's true against that's fair from Apple's camp.
Jason Howell (01:29:43):
That's a really, that's a really good point flow. I have been seeing a lot of that on Twitter lately. I, I haven't gotten any of
Huyen Tue Dao (01:29:49):
That've been following the hashtag,
Jason Howell (01:29:50):
But yeah. I mean, I would not be happy if I was getting spam like that. And I don't know. I mean, obviously RCS is a very rich graphical, you know, kind of thing whatever, whatever you wanna call it. Why is the word escaping me right now? <Laugh> but so, so it has the ability for companies to share that stuff, but that, but that's not really like that's spam. Is that a result of RCS or is that just a result of someone having shared their number with the wrong place or something,
Ron Richards (01:30:22):
Right. Yeah. Like, is it, is, is it being enabled by RCS? Which I don't think so. I think cuz you need it's it's it's I guess could, could RCS be utilized with a bank of numbers to increase spam output probably, but, but it, to your point, Jason, it requires the numbers to be gathered by the spamer,
Jason Howell (01:30:39):
Right? Yeah. It's it's just the spam that you're getting is way more graphically rich than it would be if
Ron Richards (01:30:45):
You were getting SMS messaging, which honestly, if I'm gonna get spam, I would like graphically rich spam. I'm just saying so
Huyen Tue Dao (01:30:51):
I supposed to, I, I don't know. I actually got end up getting spanned through WhatsApp. So an app that will not be named, tried to, I, I bought a premium subscription to this app that I was using quite a bit. And part of that was, you know, personal service, but personal servicemen adding my number to a huge WhatsApp chat.
Jason Howell (01:31:09):
Oh.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:31:10):
And I immediately started getting spam calls and spam. So I'm kind of more in Ron's camp where, I mean, it's, it's, it's it's people and it's the fact that phone numbers need to work the way they work. And Hey, I got spam on WhatsApp, so I don't know. Maybe that's just me being bitter. And I, I did immediately leave the WhatsApp chat and I, I haven't yet, but I need to leave them a one star review because that's just unacceptable. No
Jason Howell (01:31:37):
Good. But yes,
Huyen Tue Dao (01:31:37):
That is it's no
Mike Wolfson (01:31:39):
Goodland,
Ron Richards (01:31:40):
I'll get weird WhatsApp spam every once in a while, but it's like, it feels more like fishing instead of spam and simply like, Hey, been a while. And I'm just like, I don't know you block. Yeah. You know, so it's exactly same, but same anyway. All right. And then moving on, we gotta, we got, we got, you know, Google can't stop there. Right? There's even more app updates. That's not stop
Ron Richards (01:32:01):
<Laugh>. This was very neat. Google maps is getting an immersive view that brings maps more to life. Very visual and very graphical. This demo was one of the moments where I went, oh, that's pretty cool. Where like they are using their photography to give you a more immersive 3d, almost especially like the, the walkthroughs of restaurants and things like that. Like to go into a space based off the data that they have about those locations. That was pretty cool. I never see myself using it, but it was still pretty neat. The demo was neat. You know, you could really get really go to London. You could really go to London and Google maps. It is almost video game. Like,
Jason Howell (01:32:38):
But yeah, totally.
Ron Richards (01:32:39):
But yeah, I thought that was pretty cool. So immersive view on maps Google docs is getting an AI assisted TLDR feature that summarizes a document for you. That's which made me laugh out, which made me laugh out loud, cuz like really our attention span is so short that we need to summarize the doc really.
Jason Howell (01:32:54):
Heck, heck yeah. Thank you AI for doing the hard work. Thank you. Yeah,
Ron Richards (01:32:59):
Exactly. Just
Jason Howell (01:33:00):
My advice. Don't rely on that and go into a meeting and just agreed spout off that the computer generated TLDR,
Ron Richards (01:33:09):
TLDR. Yeah,
Jason Howell (01:33:10):
Exactly. I expect to still have your job like
Ron Richards (01:33:12):
But then speaking of AI, they did show off a very cool AI test kitchen for Android, which is a way to put all the AI smarts to the test in unique, different ways is using the LA M D a two AI language model. So instead of talking to you, you ask a questions in one of three areas. So imagine it say, imagine a marshmallow volcano or you can talk about it, talk to a tennis ball about a dog and list it. I want to plant a vegetable garden which are all different ways to come up with, you know, these kind of AI, you know back and forth in, in terms of that, which is pretty cool. Like, you know, yeah. Super cool. Give you little test beds for, you know, AI applications down the, down the road. That's pretty neat. I don't know.
Jason Howell (01:33:59):
So yeah, lots of stuff. I mean, you know, they, they use the the, the planting a garden thing as the listing and having the AI basically just detail. All right. So here's the steps. Here's what you need to do first, just like coming up with it, you know, instead of searching online to find that one article's filled with a million different ads or whatever, who knows how well it works, we don't, we, we don't have access to that app yet. It's coming, you know, as with everything else at IO later this year, but I would love to play around with that. That sounds really intriguing to me, really interesting, like telling, telling a computer to, to tell me about like, what was that AR what was that example? Imagine a marshmallow volcano. Like I don't, I don't know how to describe a marshmallow volcano, but a computer that's trained with the right data set could probably get really creative about this. And like what would it even say? I just think that's neat.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:34:51):
Would it be a Mar would it be a volcano made of marshmallow exactly. Be a regular volcano that spits out marshmallows? Is it both simultaneously?
Jason Howell (01:34:59):
I don't know. Who knows the computer will. The, the, the AI is just going to answer that question for you. I can't answer that. I'm not, I
Huyen Tue Dao (01:35:05):
Need to know. Okay. I'm gonna go ask the AI
Jason Howell (01:35:08):
<Laugh>
Huyen Tue Dao (01:35:08):
I need to know
Jason Howell (01:35:09):
Pretty neat stuff. Definitely. An, an example of, of how advanced Google is when it comes to artificial intelligence really need stuff there. All right. So this was a developer conference, which means there was developer focused news at Google IO. That's what we're gonna talk about up next.
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Jason Howell (01:36:16):
All right. So when I <laugh> okay. When and Michael this, this is, this is the balls in your court, cause this is the stuff that you, you both understand far better than I think the rest of us here sitting at the table. But let's start with you when as far as the, the week was concerned, the kind of, you know, the short week of, of information that was really tailored for developers, what was the what was the Kotlin moment? <Laugh>, that's the only example that I have where like that's I knew, like, I didn't know a whole lot about developing, but I knew at that Google IO, that that was a really big deal that developers really cared about that announcement. Right. So was there that moment at this Google IO?
Huyen Tue Dao (01:37:02):
Eh, not really. I mean, I, and I, I say that just because that one's really hard to top and that's kind of one of those, I think and Mike definitely pipe in whenever, like that's kind of one of those, like our day to day life totally changes kind of moments. I think compos is not a bad second to that, and that was last year. So we're kind of back to kind of, and I wanna say business is usual for me, it was like business usual, but I don't mean that in a bad way, because I feel like a lot of the things that I get excited about are what's new and Android development tools, which is basically how do I do things faster and better. Yeah. And there's always gonna be things like that. So, you know, and it's really interesting because I think, you know, on a day to day, I think we're always trying to make our productivity faster.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:37:43):
And I know that that sounds so freaking boring, but yeah, I, I wanna do things faster. I want to be able to write some code and see how it changes and I want to be able to, you know, do it in like the easiest way possible. And so there's a lot of, there's always gonna be some demo that we enjoy, like seeing that it promises to make our lives faster and better. And so there are things like in, in the new version of Android studio, which by the way, remember, is using cute animal names. So if you, if you missed suites for your Android versions, you can go to Android studio where we have Android studio electric E which is pretty amazing electric E. And so an example of this is live edit. So what's really cool is that this is the with live edit. Is that with Jeck pose? I think that's the animation scroller actually. It's yeah. Everything. I know if you're looking at screenshots of Android studio, I'm sure all the Android devs are like, and then everyone else is like, yep. That's,
Mike Wolfson (01:38:41):
<Laugh> looks like a tool
Huyen Tue Dao (01:38:43):
Looks. Yep. Looks great. I mean, that, that also is a great thing. And that is like an animation debugging tool. You can visualize things, but that, that's basically what we get, you know, like, yeah. I think like you watched like a television show and you think that devs are all just like on the comp you know, on the keywords with like text scrolling by like now we like tools, we like visualizations. We like, you know, being able to debug things with their eyes and not, you know, and not just having to build things. So one of the things I was most excited about is live edit, and this is basically coming from jet pack, compose the modern Android toolkit, which I've talked about way too much before. And basically as you're editing code, you can see the U user interface update as you edit, which is a huge deal.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:39:25):
Cause normally what I do when I'm developing is, and maybe I'm the inefficient one. I'm gonna embarrass himself my in front of Mike, but I'll make some changes. I'll run the app, it, the poison, my phone, I look at my phone and say, okay, well that doesn't doesn't that didn't look good. I'll change it to like, you know, 18 like pixels this way. And I'll make this one red build a thing, let it deploy to my phone, check it. And then, so, so this is as, as it, as it might seem from that very boring description of my day to day tools like this are things that, that I know I love and that will help make my life better. And yeah, just other things like, you know, with all these like different forum factors, we're looking at ways of basically visualizing what a user interface might look like on a tablet, on a phone, on something in between all at once. So there's a lot of tools like that. And then, yeah, I don't know, Mike, what were, what were you most excited about from some of the dev side stuff?
Mike Wolfson (01:40:15):
So just like you said, lots of different tools that just make our job easier. The one thing I will say about this CIO and there wasn't really like a big like aha moment mm-hmm <affirmative>. Which is kind of good because even though me and when are both like Android developers that stay up on stuff? Yeah, I will say that I never feel like I'm up on stuff. I feel like I'm always a step behind. And for once I finally understand composed at the same time as everybody else does. And I'm finally starting to understand some of these other tools you caught up. I caught up for once and I feel like I'm so happy that they didn't introduce something. Like, I didn't really know Kotlin when they introduced it. It's been a couple years. I was late to that.
Mike Wolfson (01:40:58):
So yeah. Anyway, for once I don't feel like this side swipe. Yeah, of course. Yeah. And I do know composed, luckily I was able to kind of get on the bandwagon early for that, and it is really wonderful. But it did feel like just some iterations. The other thing I'll say about that is they've gone to a different model of delivering stuff where they're not as driven by IO in particular with the tools they're releasing Android studio pretty often and frequently have that cool tool already in there. So it's not like they're just dumping everything at IO.
Jason Howell (01:41:33):
That's true. That's a good point.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:41:36):
Yeah. I will something, something to up note is that, you know, I they're bringing where OS back and like my, you know, my experience with where OS as a developer hasn't been that flashy or anything. We had a Trello where a S hat for a while. It wasn't that great to work with. We never could nail down like other than notifications, what do we need a watch app for? But what is interesting is that as I think it's fair to say that developers unabashedly like composed, like I'm sure there's someone out there who doesn't, but unabashedly, we all like it. And it's all made our lives easier. There is going to be composed for where OS. So I think along with kind of the story of, Hey, where OS three, we're partnering with Samsung, you got a pixel watch, they're adding in better development tools for it.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:42:19):
And I think that's just something that we've all complained about is that, you know, this new thing is gonna take extra time. This new thing is hard to use. Don't even get me started on widgets. But what so, so composed for wars is widgets are a nightmare to do y'all. I mean, like I know like widgets are awesome. And, and if you have a widget that you really love, it's, it's important to you. You're so freaking awful to, to Def for anyway, but you don't have to worry about that. Hopefully with where I still have composed, which is again, the modern Android toolkit. So I thought that was kind of neat. I don't, again, personally, I don't see us gravitating towards wheres right away, just because again, we have it for notifications. Yay. Like I, you know, we don't, we're not a fitness app. We're not something that uses geolocation or anything that might really take, take advantage of where, but having composed for things and, and bringing that ease, that productivity and that joy to another form factor is the right way to go. So I don't know, Mike, when's the last time you wrote an wear a S app or have you I've never personally done it. It was there when I got there.
Mike Wolfson (01:43:16):
Okay. I'm not that interested in the wear platform personally, to be honest. Well,
Jason Howell (01:43:21):
It's a good thing. Google's releasing its pixel watch.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:43:24):
<Laugh>
Jason Howell (01:43:25):
Yeah. To, to please make some profit off of all that excitement.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:43:30):
Please make something for me. I'm I there's nothing cute right now that I can put on this as a watch face. Like I need something cute with complications.
Jason Howell (01:43:41):
Oh, oh, the watch faces. I was gonna say that's a, that's a cute watch, but it's the watch faces that you can't find it's
Huyen Tue Dao (01:43:49):
The only watch it was the watch, by the way, that pretty much everybody was wearing the go Google I key note, except for Rick Oster low,
Jason Howell (01:43:56):
Was he wearing the pixel watch?
Huyen Tue Dao (01:43:58):
He was wearing the pixel watch. Yeah. Cuz he was the pixel watch. Look at me, revealed it, but everybody else,
Jason Howell (01:44:03):
We were all trying to figure it out too. We're like, is that the pixel watch? Is that the pixel? And then he comes out and yeah. Revealed it. Of course. Well cool. One question I have about the live edit
Huyen Tue Dao (01:44:16):
Mm-Hmm
Jason Howell (01:44:16):
<Affirmative> is because I know that, you know, that's well, it's part of the tool, so it's not really emulation in any way, shape or form. Right? Like when I think of some of these tools and I think of complaints that I've heard over the years is that like Android emulation through these tools has been really slow for a long period of time. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> how does live that? Get around that? Because my understanding is slightly, is that different as you're typing things in, you see it immediately, right?
Mike Wolfson (01:44:43):
Yeah. So it's slightly different. Actually, this isn't really an ator in composed there's. And this is the same as actually in swift UI. There's a preview which allows you to preview the compose component that you're looking at. Okay. And so the live added is directly tying into that compose component. So it's not like we're emulating a full phone. Got it. It's a much smaller like viewer. And the, the cool thing is, and this is very much related react native and re just the react programming platform has this sort of instant UI refresh built in which is one of the big things that people love about that platform. The ability just to change something, you change a color or change a dimension and it just shows up in the next screen without that tedious step of needing to deploy yeah. For that cycle.
Jason Howell (01:45:37):
Oh my goodness. That's I think that's similar to, that seems like a change that once you have that you can't imagine why you, why, how you ever did without it, right. Like just the amount of time that must take
Huyen Tue Dao (01:45:47):
It is. And, and we've kind of had something like this. So I kind of, it made me think a little bit of the Google wall story, but not really. And that there was some years ago, I think 2017, they announced instant run. Nope. Hold on. Not instant apps, Uhhuh <affirmative> is it instant runway,
Mike Wolfson (01:46:00):
Instant run, instant
Huyen Tue Dao (01:46:02):
Run, instant run, instant run, which is basically for the old view system, kind of a similar idea where I think you still had to hit a button, but it was a lot faster. You weren't like redeploying the entire application. It was meant to just apply changes. And I think what was interesting is that actually at the fireside chat, it might have been the fireside chat or the other, the other kind of Android thing that Mike and I were at last week is that to Norby who works on the Android studio team explained that it's very specific to compose that they can do this intensely fast, hot swapping of this code and has a lot to do with, with composers. It's he's a lot smarter than me and can explain it way better. So if you're actually interested in how this works on Android versus say flutter and react, go watch the fire side chat, I think is when tour addresses it.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:46:44):
It might be in something else, but yeah, it's, it's basically a hot swapping out changes. And actually compose had this already. It was like called live literals, but it was very specifically if you have a string or a number, like just a play old number, which rarely happens in an actual program, but it allowed you to change the number and whether it was like a real device or an emulator, you would just see like the change immediately, cuz it was able to swap out that value because it's basically a hard coded value. It would swap out just instantly. So it was a great way of say, if you have like your designer or someone else sitting beside you to kind of be able to pixel push and make changes really quickly without having to repeatedly again, the pull and someone, someone to build. So there's something there's some. And so when we all saw Livet we're like, oh, it's like instant run. But I believe someone specifically asked one of the Andrew co team. Oh, well how is it different this time? And it's different because compose yes. So it's, it, it, it looks very promising. I need to download electric E I think I downloaded. I just haven't tried it yet. So yes. It, it it's magic tools, team magic is what I understand it to be it's and that's all I need to know. It's electric. Sorry.
Jason Howell (01:47:57):
Yes. Okay. Oh, magic. All right. Excellent. And with that, was there any final anything about developer tools or any other announcements that you wanted to mention before we wrap things up?
Huyen Tue Dao (01:48:18):
No, just go watch the keynotes, watch the keynotes. There's a lot of really nice little things, but it's, it's always gonna be like that. Definitely try pose and try out electric Eagle and give feedback early because that's super important. They actually really do listen. So if you're a developer out there please give things a shot and be loud about what you like and don't like, they're listening
Jason Howell (01:48:38):
Right on.
Huyen Tue Dao (01:48:39):
They really are. That sounds creepy.
Jason Howell (01:48:42):
<Laugh> they're listening really? You know, it's, it's not,
Florence Ion (01:48:45):
I mean, if you didn't use the hardware mute on your Google assistant device, say Z is always listening regardless.
Jason Howell (01:48:53):
<Laugh> yep. All right. Well, we have reached the end of this episode. It has been a very comprehensive Roundup of everything you've shown off at Google IO. <Laugh> so I hope you've enjoyed it. I know that I've enjoyed having you along Mike it's it's always great year after year to get you on either the pre or the post IO show. So thank you for making that happen once again. It's great to see you.
Mike Wolfson (01:49:19):
Yep. Thanks so much for having me.
Jason Howell (01:49:21):
Yeah. so what do you want me on Twitter? This is, this is, you know, this is the end of the show where we let people kind of promote or, or whatever. So what you got,
Mike Wolfson (01:49:29):
I never have anything to promote just myself and just be nice to people. I think that's what I always say. There you go follow on Twitter and that's good enough.
Jason Howell (01:49:37):
Cool. At Mike Wolfson on Twitter, if you wanna
Mike Wolfson (01:49:40):
Find Mike Mike Wolfson on
Jason Howell (01:49:41):
Twitter right on. Thank you, Mike. It's really good to see you. Thanks.
Mike Wolfson (01:49:44):
It's always fun.
Jason Howell (01:49:45):
Yeah. Maybe, maybe next time. I'll you at the actual Google IO? Yep. Cause I that's what we, we always say next year in Israel next year in mountain view. Yes. There we go. <Laugh> right on. Thank you, Mike. And then flow. What you got going on. What do you wanna talk about?
Huyen Tue Dao (01:50:02):
Well, you can find all my work over@gizmotodotcombytypinginflowrights.tech into your URL bar. I just renewed that domain. So I hope it works.
Jason Howell (01:50:13):
It's a great domain. I have to say. I like it a lot.
Florence Ion (01:50:15):
<Laugh> thank you. That that's why I tried to hold onto it. You know, but also I have a couple of other podcasts that I do. I am on the relay FM network. I do material podcast every week where I talk all about everything Google does from Android to what they're doing on the web, to what they're doing behind the scenes. I do that show with Andy and not co every week. So please tune in over there. And also I have a podcast over a guest photo called get jets, which you can tune in every week. I do that with my co-host over at Gizmoto, who is also my editor. And we've got a new video component coming for that. So that's, if you're interested in, come check us out, you know where to find me?
Jason Howell (01:50:58):
Yeah, you are busy. Oh, you had to get that in there at least once didn't you. Thank you. Burke Berk has an itchy in itchy email of the week trigger finger. So mm-hmm <affirmative> there we go. There we go. Well, thank you Flo. It's always good to get you on. Thank you guys. Happy. See you on this episode, especially,
Florence Ion (01:51:16):
I'm happy to be here.
Jason Howell (01:51:17):
<Laugh> Ron, what do you want people to know? Just
Ron Richards (01:51:20):
Follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Ron XO. And I've just been in such a delight to hear Mike and win and flow talking about IO and all this sort of stuff. And of course you Jason, I'm just, I'm just so happy like this. This is like, this is what All About Android is all about this week's
Jason Howell (01:51:33):
Show. So absolutely. No, I let's focus
Ron Richards (01:51:35):
On that. So yeah. Leave a good review for us please.
Jason Howell (01:51:38):
<Laugh> so please. Thank you, Ron. And then what about you win what you got?
Huyen Tue Dao (01:51:44):
Let's see. So I actually did Android shows stuff. It's, it's kind of, it was very Android centric, but if you happen to check out the Android fireside chat, the content that Flo and ESCU and I did kind of bookend it. There's a cute little section about composed for where OS there's some funny bits in the middle where Flore and I kind of talk about things and sit around a nice big prediction conspiracy board, which I put on a joke from the show we were talking about, like rollable, foldables like ruffle bulls. And I actually, that ended up on the board bits so tiny. You can't see
Jason Howell (01:52:15):
It
Huyen Tue Dao (01:52:16):
Rocks. I was so, yeah, it's not in this picture, but there's one, there are a couple of the promos you can see like my conspiracy prediction board. Yes. And RLE bulls was on there, but you can't read it, but it was there. And that was for our Android faithful. That was like, I call out to the show. So please check out the Android show. And if you like it, leave a thumbs up. Might sound like a YouTuber now, smash subscribe button smash that subscribe button hit the bell, leave a like, and if you care more about like kind of dev things, you can find me@randomlytyping.com where a lot of my talks and my code and video of both are, and you can just find me generally, you know, rambling about crap. <Laugh> on Instagram and Twitter at queen code monkey
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