All About Android 576, Transcript

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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up next on All About Android. It's me, Jason, Howell my co-host Huyen Tue Dao and our guest Adam Doud from the benefit of the Doud podcast and digital trends. We got a lot to talk about today. Google iO's schedule is finally out. So we break that down a little bit. Also we break down the back button, which is apparently gonna be featured at least in some small way at Google IO. Self share finally comes to nearby share Huyen gives us a, a look at that. Adam reviews, the Nord N 20 5g, the Nothing launcher beta is definitely beta. Plus we have your email and a whole lot more next on All About Android

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Jason Howell (00:01:16):
Hello. Welcome to all about Android. This is episode 576 recorded on Tuesday, May 3rd. Yes. May 3rd. Sorry. I don't know why I, I had a brain fart there 2022 Your weekly source latest news hardware and apps for the Android. Faithful. I'm Jason Howell.

Adam Doud (00:01:31):
I'm Huyen Tue Dao

Jason Howell (00:01:32):
Now. Oh yeah. What's up Huyen. Good to have you back. Good to see you again.

Adam Doud (00:01:37):
Good to meet back. Good to be seen

Jason Howell (00:01:37):
Yeah, it's great to have you here. We do not have a Ron Richards on the show this evening. He is very he's very broken up about having to miss out on this show, but sometimes you just gotta take a break. You gotta step away and it's okay. Ron, you're forgiven take care, take care of yourself, but joining us in Ron's place. It is Adam Doud. Welcome back to the show, Adam.

Adam Doud (00:02:02):
Well, thank you. Also known as the reason Ron Richards is not here. And I apologize for that.

Jason Howell (00:02:08):
Yes. See, this is news to me. That's breaking news to me. I didn't know that. Maybe you are Ron Richards, you know, I, I don't know. Have we ever seen the, both of you in the same place at one time? I'm not really quite sure, but there we go.

Adam Doud (00:02:21):
Yeah, I mean, yes you have.

Jason Howell (00:02:23):
Okay, well then nevermind. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:02:27):
Never mind, although that would be some pretty awesome magic. If you could pull that off. Adam of course is the host of benefit of the Doud podcast. Also. I think since your last time on here, you're working at digital trends. Tell us a little bit about that.

Adam Doud (00:02:43):
Oh yeah. The last time I was on here was like four jobs ago. So yeah, I am, I am, I am the interim section editor for mobile at digital trends. I I started there in December and as a staff writer and I had planned to take about a year before I stole my editor's job, but he decided to leave before the year was up. So it's it. They handed me the keys to the kingdom and I have just been driving that baby and the tops down hairs flapping in the, in the back. And it's been a beautiful thing. So, and

Jason Howell (00:03:16):
You're just, you're plastering digital trends, logos all over your fake zoom wall paper.

Adam Doud (00:03:21):
I don't know what you're talking about there. That's that's just I, I, I don't contractor. No, I will not bow to any sponsor. Okay.

Jason Howell (00:03:30):
All right. <Laugh> good to know. Good to know. Well, it's great to have you on before we get to the news, you, you gave me the heads up in pre-show that we might want to do a little bit of pre-news breaking news. So let's do that now. Right now. It's time for breaking news Burke. This just in Adam has something interesting.

Adam Doud (00:03:57):
Adam has a thing. So as a, as a section editor for mobile, I am no stranger to occasionally receiving phone cases in the mail, but this is one of the first times, if not the first time that I have received a phone case for a phone that does not exist officially yet. And I'm so I, it arrived earlier today and I didn't have time to write this up for digital trends.com, but you can bet that'll be the first thing I'm doing tomorrow morning@digitaltrends.com. So be sure to visit digitaltrends.com to see all the pictures of this phone case and the phone case is I'm just gonna show you a very brief thing. That would be a phone case for the pixel 6 A, which does not officially exist yet. And we can learn a few things about the pixel six, a from this phone case, the pixel six a now, okay. It should be mentioned that this is a phone case and phone case manufacturers generally work on renders and specifications and sometimes models when they're designing their phone cases. So we don't know for a fact that this is in fact what the pixel six is going to look like, but what we can suppose is that the pixel six a will be within millimeters of the same body size as the pixel six, not the pixel six pro, but the pixel six. Okay. And the button placement is still the same. Unfortunately we still have volume down volume up and power going up the side of the phone. And that is the wrong order, Google anyway. And the back of the phone will have the Jordy Laforge visor camera, BU bump, but it will be, I would say 33% smaller than the pixel six. If this if this opening on the back of the case is correct. So I will be again, I will be writing this up first thing in the morning and it will be posted on digital trends and you'll see pictures of it next to the pixel six and stuff like that. But I just thought, we'd give you a little teaser before we nice. Since I was on the podcast.

Jason Howell (00:06:02):
See, and I'm, I'm searching online. I'm I'm got a Google search for pixel 6 a case. No one else seems to have this. You are the only one who is, I am the only one that the six a exists or will exist at some point <laugh>

Adam Doud (00:06:17):
Well, reasonably certain,

Jason Howell (00:06:18):
Reasonably certain

Adam Doud (00:06:19):
That's fair. And, and I'm, I'm positive. I'm not the only one that has received one of these cases. So yeah, probably not. It's probably a race against the clock. Yeah. so I don't know if Burke has some like dramatic music that he can play in the background there, but yeah. I, I I'm, yeah, there you go. I'm not, I'm not a workaholic though, so it's gonna have to wait until the morning. <Laugh> I am a workaholic. That's actually not true, but it's still gonna have to wait,

Jason Howell (00:06:42):
But still it's the evening time. Your, your evening writing time has been given to us instead for podcasting time. And we appreciate that. So thank

Adam Doud (00:06:51):
You. Thank you very much. I

Adam Doud (00:06:53):
Appreciate you bringing me on it's fun.

Jason Howell (00:06:54):
And thank you for sharing the six a case. At least at this point, we are 98% certain that the pixel six a will in fact exist at some point, likely that it's gonna exist or at least be shown off at a certain event. That's coming up. That's gonna be at the top of our next section, which is the news. So Burke, why don't we jump in

Speaker 5 (00:07:19):
I'm 98% certain that we've got a new bit going on that Ron and Adam May be the same person

Jason Howell (00:07:26):
Yet? Well, that's, that's true

Speaker 5 (00:07:29):
Almost. I mean, we've already proven

Jason Howell (00:07:31):
That

Speaker 5 (00:07:31):
Debunked. We we've already proven that flow. And when are the same person are different

Jason Howell (00:07:37):
And

Speaker 5 (00:07:37):
Absolutely, we're still kind of maybe whether me and Burke are the same person, but

Jason Howell (00:07:41):
There's a lot of same person in going on around here. I don't understand. There is

Adam Doud (00:07:45):
Ron is far more handsome though, but I have more hair.

Jason Howell (00:07:48):
<Laugh> fair enough. Let's talk about Google IO a little bit when, and we, we know a little bit more now than we knew even a week ago.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:07:58):
Yeah. So Google IO is next week y'all and if you're interested tuning in to Google IO, there's a schedule. And of course, I think like the, of course, the biggest thing, especially for kind of the, like this space will be the keynote, which will be at 10:00 AM Pacific time on day one given by sun Pacha immediately filed by the developer keynote and many, many, many, many, many other keynotes of what's new in various things. So you're gonna get your Android, your fire base, your flutter, your web, your AR Google play promos, Google home, Google play what's new and more. And that's all up right now. There is a schedule, day two is going to be heavily heavily waited towards technical sessions. And they will be available on demand, but it looks like as previously stated, the big keynote and the developer keynote will be live. So tune in, if you're interested in those things, if you register and create a developer profile, which seems a little restrictive, but you can, if you'd like just like I did, and you can go ahead and bookmark any sessions that you're interested in, but I always feel Google. I was pretty interesting cuz I think the, the keynote is heavily, you know, heavily, heavily, you know, industry consumer friendly. Whereas the rest of it is absolutely not. The rest of it is intensely technical stuff. And I know like my team's looking forward to it and yeah, go check it out. By the way, what's new in Android, which is kind of, I guess for me the third most important keynote mm-hmm <affirmative> is traditionally done by Chet Haas, Ramon and Dan Sandler. But this year it is being done by friends of the show, Nick Butcher and Florina Muntenescu so if anything else, oh nice. Yeah. Is their first time taking it over, actually saw them last week cuz I was in London doing things, but yeah. If you enjoyed them on the show and you wanna like, you know, crank up their like viewer numbers, go do that, but yeah, you can check out everything else that's going on at Google IO on the website and yeah, we'll see what happens next week.

Jason Howell (00:09:48):
Nice. and then Adam, you also linked us to a article that you did not write, but one of your colleagues Andy Boxall wrote six Google IO streams to watch, even if you're not a developer, what, what stands out to you, Adam? What are you gonna be looking out for?

Adam Doud (00:10:06):
Well, I will, of course be watching the keynote because everybody will be watching the keynote of

Jason Howell (00:10:12):
Man. That's the can thing.

Adam Doud (00:10:14):
Yeah. I'll tell you. I am not, I am not a developer. I don't even play one on TV. I have a developer account, but that's only so I can go to Google IO or so I can, so I can watch Google IO. I'm interested in probably what's new in the CA in the Android camera because it's, it's a beginner session, which of course appeals to me. But you know, Google is known for its camera technology and I'm really fascinated to see like what might be coming down the pipeline from a, from a, from a company who's put such an emphasis on, on the camera and also like what's new in the Android that that's kind of a, a softball, if you will. That's like that's one of the, you know the obvious choices the Chuck choice, if you will. So but yeah, I I'd say like what's new in the Android camera is probably the one that interests me the most, even though I have a work meeting scheduled at that time. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (00:11:12):
Hmm, blah down. Yeah. There are sessions about where OS, which of course, you know, later in the show, we're gonna be talking a little bit more about the pixel watch. So that might be integrated in you also mentioned before the show that this is going to be the 10 year anniversary of Google glass, which when put in that context, just kind of blows my mind cuz I mean, it has been a while since Google glass, but I can't believe it's been 10 years. That's crazy. I should have brought my glass from its little perch in my office just to wear it for this, for this tiny moment. <Laugh> you should

Adam Doud (00:11:50):
Have, I actually, I edited this piece not long before we came onto the show. And so, but again, Andy Boxwell, he is just a treasure trove of, of writing. So I just, I, I can't say enough positive things about Andy. So he, he wrote in a, a first of all, a personal anecdote that he got his Google glass because some non-tech company in London was running a promotion and the prize, this runner up prize, not the grand prize, but the runner up prize was a Google glass. And like a lot of people got these things and didn't know what they were, didn't know what to do with them. So they put 'em on eBay for like, I think he said it was the equivalent of about 500 bucks at the time. So he, he picked one up from eBay and he said it was the one he bought wasn't even the cheapest one that he could have gotten. He just got that one because it was close to him. But yeah, it's, it's just it's really amazing when you think about it. It's been 10 years since Google glass came out in about nine and a half years since it died. So it's, it's just yeah, it's it, it was one of those devices that could have been really revolutionary if it had, I don't know, cooked a little bit more in the oven before before coming to the general public,

Jason Howell (00:13:04):
I, I think what's interesting to me about now in technology versus then is that Google glass. And we actually just talked about this on tech news weekly, last Thursday, cuz snap announced their, their pixie drone. Right. and prior to that, of course, snap has their spectacles that they've released and there's, you know, other companies doing the the, the eyewear that can take pictures or record video, that sort of stuff. And I always felt like that was the real strength for me anyways. And my usability of, of Google glass. It was always like the idea of a wearable camera camera that sees what I see through the same kind of vantage point that I see it, which yeah. Which was 10 years ago and no one was ready for a camera on the face. Then like in the, in the beginning it was kinda like, wow, this is interesting and different and, and neat.

Jason Howell (00:14:00):
And they, they had hired, you know, they had the, their their advertising blitz and, and I remember there was like a fashion show where all of the models were wearing Google glass. Like they were trying really hard to make this thing super cool. And then at a certain point, the attention turned to, well, wait a minute, if there's a camera on your face, then how do I know if you're recording or not? And that, you know, kind of the privacy implications and everything, and here we are 10 years later and it's a lot more accepted in, in some ways Google ass just kind of seems like a device that was ahead of its time, but there needed to be a device to kind of start that, start that wave, you know? And so I don't know. I get, I mean, it's still around, right? Like you can still buy Google glass can't you is like a, an enterprise thing. I feel like

Adam Doud (00:14:48):
Now. So, so Andy actually got out his Google glass when he was writing this article and he noted that he wasn't, he was able to connect it to his phone, but the app is no longer in the app store. And even the website that you use to sign into wifi is no longer like it's a 4 0 4 right now. So it's the consumer version of Google glass is pretty darn nonfunctional at the moment. But yeah. But yeah, I believe there were enterprise applications. I didn't keep up with it to be honest. So I don't know if there's still enterprise applications out there now, but

Jason Howell (00:15:23):
There is when I do a search, I find glass enterprise addition to a wearable device that helps businesses improve the quality of their output, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So it is, I mean, but you can't like, there's nowhere on the page. It's not like you can go there and you can just like buy Google glass. It looks like if you're interested in the glass enterprise edition, you have to contact Google and you know, they're probably choosing certain enterprises to, to work with and, and whatnot. So, so it still exists, but it's way different than I think even Google knew, but maybe Google released it, not knowing what it was going to be, just knowing that it was different and that they made it, you know, back then also that was the nexus seven time, you know, it was kind of early on in, in Google's hardware kind of pursuit. And you know, maybe the nexus queue came out a year or two before that. I don't know, but it was very early in their, in their pursuit for hardware. So did you ever have last I'm thinking?

Adam Doud (00:16:23):
No, no, no, no. Never got into it, I think. Wait, what year? So it was 2012. That was actually before I ever managed to get to Google IO. And I think for me just not something that I ever really thought of my day to day life. But I did know, like I know like Mike Wilson had one, I got to be friends with him like in a co a couple years later. And like I saw a lot of devs that had it and I thought it was pretty fascinating, but I also kind of had to, I guess like a lot of other people get UC idea that someone's filming constantly. Actually that was a thing. We had a Trello like, you know, get together like, cuz we're all remote. We actually had an offsite and we did a salsa lesson as like one of the activities, you know, one of those team building things.

Adam Doud (00:17:01):
And my partner at the time, like my, not my partner as in Mike Maria's partner, but the person who was partnered with me for the salsa class actually had his like Google glass on the entire time. And I was like, please don't record me. Well, I'm trying to learn salsa dancing for the first time. I cannot imagine what horrors you are seeing. But I, I think it was pretty fascinating. I, I still feel like at the time that was a little bit, I wouldn't say odd, but it was just not typical. And there was an element of spectacle about him kind of wearing this throughout this whole like team building activity. But I, I do feel like there, I think it's so interesting. It is one of those things where it, I wonder whether sometimes with these kind of darts that Google throws at the wall and Google being such a kind of consumer facing company, whether they sometimes focus too much on the consumer.

Adam Doud (00:17:49):
Like I, I kind of like the idea of, of glass and kind of other things for industry, for manufacturing, for medical, for things that aren't something that necessarily, you know, your mom or your dad might want, but that might be, you know, good tools for other applications get a little deemphasized because of kind of the nature in which Google likes to design and release things. And that, yeah, maybe there's more chances for them if they're, you know, looking to more niche like domain type applications. So I don't know, I kind of feel that way about tablets too, for a little bit, actually before this year I felt that way about tablets is that, you know, we, you know, manufacturing and like industry and stuff like that could find good use for like portable larger screens. But Hey, now we've all been proven wrong and tablets are back. So who knows, maybe glass

Jason Howell (00:18:32):
Tablets are back,

Adam Doud (00:18:34):
Tablets are back. <Laugh> now

Jason Howell (00:18:37):
Still proving. I, I feel, I feel like tablets are back is a still proving thing. You Don

Adam Doud (00:18:41):
Like they meandering Google,

Jason Howell (00:18:42):
Google really wants tablets to be back. I don't know, tablets are quite back yet, but Google is, is paving the way for that, you know? Right. So, yeah. Thanks

Adam Doud (00:18:52):
For.Io.

Jason Howell (00:18:54):
Yeah. Yep. Sorry. Yeah, you're just full plug tonight. Little plug

Adam Doud (00:18:58):
There for for my for my homie David rudock.

Jason Howell (00:19:01):
There you go. Yes. Same friend of the show. Yeah, we know quite a few people from the Esper team that is not all with Google IO though. There was another article and actually behind the initial article was friend of the show, Michelle Ramon from esper.io about the back button back navigation, which anyone who's been on Android for any length of, well, for, for a long enough length of time, I feel like the back button in recent years in the last couple years has kind of like leveled out. It's kind of become a little bit more predictive. Like we can kind of understand what the back is going to do now, but there was a lot of years you know, however many years up until a couple of years ago, I'd say where the back button was constant consternation, because truthfully as a user, you were never really quite certain exactly what was gonna happen when you hit back. Is that gonna take you home? Is that gonna take you to the screen before and the app that you're in? I mean, it could do any million number of different things. Is it gonna quit the app?

Adam Doud (00:19:59):
Is it gonna quit? The real talk dev does half the time. We don't know either. I mean, <laugh> right. That's a problem. I love this because my perspective on it has been like, I definitely get it from a user perspective, but all the times that I've had, there's been so many countless back button versus up navigation versus what do we do now, conversations versus this, our users think this is terrible conversations throughout all my Android projects. It's been from like day one. So yes. Just, just, just how the sausage is made. Sometimes we're just not really sure either what to do.

Jason Howell (00:20:32):
Yeah, no understandable. Well, you know, this is just another one of those examples of Google. Not really, I don't know if there's, there's like a, like didn't stick the landing sort of thing or not really being incredibly clear about that functionality or I don't know what it is, but for a long time it was very, it was very questionable. It sounds like on the developer side and on the user side, well now Android 13 is apparently gonna be bringing changes to the back button functionality still kind of uncertain exactly what that means. But Michelle Roman, you know, did some, did some diving also there's the the fact that in the schedule for IO is an event called back to the basics of system back. So there's gonna be an emphasis. I, I feel like that's not a, that's not a a talk that's given every year, like Andrew what's new and Android where that's a very specialized thing.

Jason Howell (00:21:27):
So Google's got something up its sleeve for that. Right. And then Michelle is piecing together from different clues and everything, what he's calling a predictive back navigation system and what that may mean. He's not entirely sure what that means, but usually when Google's throwing out the term predictive, it has something to do with AI or has something to do with some under general understanding about what the user intends to do. And so I'm going super curious to know what that actually means when you're talking about back button functionality, is the system going to guess what I'm wanting when I hit the back button? How is the system gonna know? I don't know when, like does that from, from a developer standpoint and based on your own kind of your, your own hands on with the, the craziness, the wonkiness of the back button historically, like does a predictive back button, like give you any pause or are you, are you curious, what do you think

Adam Doud (00:22:29):
We're still gonna mess it up? Y'all this? I mean, I, so I, I think what'll be interesting and what I would like to see, and I think Michelle and some others have speculated that maybe this, I mean, so what I'd like to say, okay, this is my wish. Is that ever since the introduction of like Ja gesture based navigations, I've been an unhappy person just because of the, both, both as like, you know, me as a user and me as a developer has, have not been really crazy about the gesture, the, just the back gesture navigation with how it works and how it tends to, you know, conflict depending on your app and your navigation. Yeah. And I, I think it'd be a really good solution because that back navigation is sure as heck not going away. It would be really nice if, if, if machine learning could help the system anticipate whether the user means navigate within the app or go, or actually hit the system back, that's what I would love.

Adam Doud (00:23:21):
And that's what all I really need from kind of the Michelle's analysis. I still feel like there's lots of room for developers to mess it up because basically at any time at all, we can override what the back button does like that that's probably, it's both a good thing and a bad thing in that. And I, I think to go back to what you stated about why the back button seems to have always been an issue is that the guidelines are a little unclear. We had this like murky bit in a middle where Google was trying to distinguish like up behavior versus back behavior. And I've always explained that as like the back button is like the back when your browser and like up, which also was a left pointing arrow for years and years and years. And I guess still technically is in the toolbar is more like, think of it like a breadcrumb on your website where it's more like, not like a organizational hierarchical.

Adam Doud (00:24:09):
So there's been all this confusion and you just get, and Deb's gonna, at any point just override the day damn dang thing and do whatever they want. Nothing take you to Timbuk too, wherever you wanna go. And so I don't think that's changing too much. And it, it kind of has to, it kind of has to remain as is mostly so that we don't break navigation for, you know, the many, many, many of us who have ever done that me other places. But I would like to see that in terms of like the conflict and the collusion with the back gesture. And I do, like, I think they talked about the animations, which has kind of been a big focus right. Of 12 and just in general and making that a little more intuitive. Like I think a lot of things that are missing and a lot of things that I know is missing in apps that I've written, but also in general is just the idea of like people being able to make sense of things, especially navigation.

Adam Doud (00:24:57):
And I think animation has the potential to do that. And so adding cues, like visual cues that allow people to kind of glean a little bit easier, what's what the heck is happening is great. So I'd love to see that. And I'd love to see machine learning, be able to tell a difference between when I want to open up, you know, Instagrams like stories, or I just wanna get the heck back. So that's my guess. And I, but I don't, I don't see them really. It it's, I will say I will very surely say it's impossible for machine learning to fix dev dev mistakes with the back button. Y'all, it's just not gonna happen. And I'm sorry, on behalf of all devs, I'm very sorry. <Laugh> I could talk for hours about it. It's, it's very this happening problem. We've

Jason Howell (00:25:39):
At this point we've gotten deep down so much. We're just kind of used to it. I mean Eric Tuckman in chat says, get rid of it. Be the same as iOS. How do you feel about that? Adam, like if, if Android was to suddenly get rid of the back, but I don't think that's ever gonna happen. I mean, maybe someday, no, but that's a huge shift for that to happen. But what do you think

Adam Doud (00:25:59):
On the contrary on, on my Twitter feed, I have been a big proponent of apple insti instituting the back button because you know, the gestures between iOS and Android at this point are barely similar. So, and, and, you know, I use both operating systems on a regular basis. So whenever I'm using iPhone, I find myself flicking the, the cord as the side of the, the, the app often when I wanna go back and it never works and it drives me nuts, and I really want that to work. And I also want a number row in iOS, please, apple, listen to us anyway. <Laugh> so, but no, I mean, logistically speaking, I can see exactly what wind's talking about. Like how does, how would, how would Android know what you want this back gesture to be? And I mean, even if like, like, like when said, like, we don't even know what it's gonna do, Google doesn't know what it's gonna do. Nobody knows,

Jason Howell (00:26:50):
Nobody knows what

Adam Doud (00:26:51):
This back button is going to do. That's true.

Adam Doud (00:26:54):
Nobody panic. Everything's fine. Okay. but yeah, so, I mean, I could definitely see how I would love to see some type of, I don't know, am I just like so jaded that when I hit the back button and accidentally closes the app, I just reopen it and keep going on with like

Jason Howell (00:27:10):
Yeah. We've adapted at this point.

Adam Doud (00:27:12):
Yeah. I think, I think that's just gotta be what it is. Yeah. So, but yeah, that's, that's my thought. I want apple to bring the back button the back gesture and I don't want Android to get rid of it. And one of 'em tells that's

Jason Howell (00:27:24):
That'll be, but this is an interesting question to ponder like, oh yeah. Could that happen? Nah, I don't think it's gonna happen. So anyways, lots to look forward to Google IO next week. So this is starting next Wednesday. I think it's Wednesday, Thursday, Friday the keynote, the big keynote with Sunar Pacha and many other I'm sure. Notable Android you know, people working on Android behind the scenes that is Wednesday morning, 10:00 AM Pacific. We will be doing live coverage of that event. So it'll be me, Leo and Jeff Jarvis. So we'll be doing the you know, the talking while they're announcing things thing. So we'll probably be sitting here at this set right here talking about it. So next Wednesday that's May 10th, 10:00 AM. 10:00 AM Pacific and yeah, join us for that. Now not IO related is nearby share, which is getting some changes when you got that story.

Adam Doud (00:28:22):
Yeah. So we actually I, again, from something that Michelle discovered in the, of course, Android 13 coat of course, was a feature that I'm super excited about. And this is, is actually is out now with the may Google or the may update. And this is nearby, nearby share, but you can actually shelf share shelf, share shelf

Jason Howell (00:28:42):
Shares, shells share is

Adam Doud (00:28:44):
Share shell. She shell share share down by shoreline by the shoreline. You can self share. And so that is now in the Google may update. So basically if you have multiple devices logged into the same Google account, you can actually nearby share between them rather than with like a different account. And I tried it and it works and it's awesome. And I actually took a screen cap of it. So the way for this to work is just, you know, whether it's your phone, your tablet, and I think also your Chromecast and other Chromecast, or sorry, your whatever, like TVs, anything that can have nearby share, you can let me see, where is it? Did I have the, the, yeah, the, I have a Google drive. Yeah. The Google drive link. There is my little screen cap, but basically if you have multiple accounts logged in on multiple devices, when share is kind of looking for things like for contacts to share with, or with, you know, basically shareable devices to share with any account that any other device to which you're logged in gets included. And even if your device visibility is set to like to hidden. So there's an option in nearby share in terms of device VI visibility to be seen by everyone seen by only your context and seen by no one, even if your devices are set to hidden, you can still share to your sh you can still shelf share self. You can shelf share. You can still share

Jason Howell (00:30:03):
Shelf shelf share.

Adam Doud (00:30:04):
You can still share to a device to another device to which you were logged on to. And so I have like on the right is my Samsung and on the left is my pixel six. And let me see you can see my pixel six is actually hidden, but what happens is when I say take a screenshot and I try to share it,

Jason Howell (00:30:24):
Can you hit play on that video,

Adam Doud (00:30:26):
Hit play,

Jason Howell (00:30:27):
And then we'll actually see what's going on

Adam Doud (00:30:29):
Here. See what's going on. I narrated it. But yeah, we go. So I have my, my, I have my Samsung song and I had my pixel six. I took a screenshot on my pixel six. And so both devices are actually have the hidden, hidden setting where I, I can't be seen by anybody else. I take the screenshot. And if I hit the share button, I can see the nearby button and I hit it. And then it will start looking for devices and my Samsung, which is the same, like my same Google account logged into it's hidden, but because it's the same account using self share, I can see like both my devices here, I can go ahead and share the screenshot and I'm done and both. It's awesome. And

Jason Howell (00:31:03):
It works. Oh, nice.

Adam Doud (00:31:04):
So, yeah. It's really, really handy. And again even if you just wanna share to yourself, you can do that. So give it a shot. If you're the kind of person that needs to transfer files between different devices in your home, or otherwise you got it in this may update. And there's a few other things in the may update, check it out. There's some Google play store updates and the traditional bug fixes and improvements. So yeah, nearby, nearby shelf

Jason Howell (00:31:31):
Shelf shelf seller it, she shelf stander. Sure. Give she, give self shares a shot by the seashore. Perfect. Give by the CRE self, share a shot by the

Adam Doud (00:31:41):
SEAHO. Give shell, share, give shelf, share a shot.

Jason Howell (00:31:43):
<Laugh> there we go. Excellent. So woo. That's a, that's a, I have

Adam Doud (00:31:49):
Absolutely no chance of saying that correctly, so I'm just gonna

Adam Doud (00:31:52):
Stay quiet. Thank you. I'm just gonna, yep. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:31:55):
<Laugh> I appreciate you falling

Adam Doud (00:31:56):
On your sword for us though. That was

Adam Doud (00:31:58):
Really multiple times,

Jason Howell (00:32:00):
Multiple times. Yeah. It's not easy that's for sure. All right. Good stuff. And awesome screen share. Thank you for recording that. That's that's really cool. That was a great visualization. Appreciate that. All right. We've got hardware news galore coming up here. Well actually, okay. We've got a, we've got a really great review and then a whole bunch of rumors. So if you call that galore, well, then you're in for a treat cuz that's up next in hardware.

Adam Doud (00:32:27):
I'm really hoping that you would say visualization,

Jason Howell (00:32:30):
Visualization, visual <laugh> visual. All right, Adam, you've been busy. You've been busy. Haven't you you've actually been playing around with the Nord N 20 5g. This came out not too long ago, very recently. Couple of weeks ago. Tell us a little bit about it.

Adam Doud (00:32:51):
So yeah, this is the one plus Nord N 20. I'm trying to angle it so you can see it without all my headphones in the background, but anyway,

Jason Howell (00:33:00):
And the zoom blurring

Adam Doud (00:33:01):
Happened. You know what, I'll just, I'll just show you the back of it. Cuz the back of it is really the, the title of this review. This is a gorgeous phone that OnePlus made that is super thin 7.5 millimeters thin. And you don't often see that in, in a mid-range phone. This is exclusive to T-Mobile, which is unfortunate, but Hey, I'm a T-Mobile subscriber. So I guess it works for me, works for you. This is has a 60 Hertz Alet screen, which is a step up and a step down at the same time because I believe the Nord was at the end 200, had an LCD panel, but it was a 90 Hertz LCD panel. It is a long standing tradition on my podcast benefit of a doubt that I do not see the difference between 60 Hertz and 120 Hertz. So that will never bother me, but it might bother you and that's okay. How

Jason Howell (00:33:51):
Do you not see, I don't understand that. I don't understand that. How do you not see the difference?

Adam Doud (00:33:56):
I don't see the difference. I have never seen the only phone that I have ever seen. The difference on was the one plus nine pro and the one plus 10 pro. Those are the only ones that I ever see like, oh yeah, this is smooth. I don't see. I have, I've had a dozen other 120 Hertz displays since then and nothing you're

Jason Howell (00:34:15):
You're internal frame rate down res you to 60 Hertz. So even if it's 120 Hertz, <laugh> you see 60 Hertz, it doesn't matter. See, you know,

Adam Doud (00:34:24):
See it's important for you to know I'm old anyway.

Jason Howell (00:34:29):
We all well, except for so from a hardware. Oh, I'm old. <Laugh>

Adam Doud (00:34:34):
Okay. Fair enough. We're all old. That's great. Get outta my line. So, so from a hardware perspective, this is a very solid phone and T-Mobile has it for 24 payments of 11, whatever. It's $282 all said and done, which is very, not bad for this particular space on the back. We have two very prominent lenses. We have a 64 megapixel main sensor and then we have a two megapixel macro sensor. And then over here, there's a little two megapixel monochrome camera spoil alert this weekend will be talking about this phone on my podcast with Miriam. Joir nice. And she calls these sticker cams and that is a very apt description. So sticker

Jason Howell (00:35:20):
Cams like these, these cameras are there to, because that it's on the specs list that they're there, but they aren't as good. Yep. Yeah. Okay. That makes

Adam Doud (00:35:28):
Sense basically. So they can say triple camera set up instead of single camera that you give a crap set up. Yeah. <laugh> so there is a USB port on the bottom. There is a headphone Jack, which I'll be honest. I was a week into my review before I even noticed that the headphone Jack was there. I'm just, I'm just all at,

Jason Howell (00:35:46):
At this point you just don't even notice anymore.

Adam Doud (00:35:48):
So you, I don't even notice anymore. Well, I don't notice 120 Hertz displays either. So what am I, I'm just I'm I'm just a Morron anyway. The, the well up for debate anyway, so the the internal specifications, this is running a snap drag in 6 95 with I believe a 45 4,500 milliamp hour battery, 128 gigabytes of base storage and six gigabytes of Ram. So all told pre pretty decent specs for a, for your mid-range phone. The, the experience like navigating between apps is not as smooth as I would've come to expect from a company that, you know, really, really pimps these fast and smooth philosophy mm-hmm <affirmative>. But I mean, there were just, there were more stutters that I'm typically used to, but I usually review flagships. So I guess that's just on me. The main reason why I was excited to review the OnePlus Nord is because I, this is the first OnePlus Nord I have ever had the chance to, to use.

Adam Doud (00:36:58):
And so I was really, I was really excited to learn about the, about the space, you know, the, the OnePlus Nord space, because there's a lot of different OnePlus, Nord variance. And so I wanted to kinda get a sense as to what the mid-range one plus crowd was doing these days. Overall, I'd say if I had to put a number on it, I did not put a number on it on my review, but I'd say this is sitting at a solid six and a half seven, somewhere around there. It's good value for the money. So if you're in the $300 budget space, this is a pretty good option to consider. That being said, you know, it's, you know, there are probably better ways that you could spend your money if you decided to pony up a little bit extra and go with I don't know, like a pixel five, a or something like that, that would probably be, or in pixel six a, which might be coming next week. <Laugh> so, but overall, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's a fun little phone it's you know, the title of my review is one plus settled because I felt like there were a couple of corners that didn't necessarily have to be cut, but overall it's pretty good value for the money.

Jason Howell (00:38:09):
Yeah. I, and I think that's a, that's a sentiment. The one plus settled is a sentiment that I feel like we're hearing that more and more with, with their phones as of late. And I don't know if it's the saturation, like, because it used to be that one plus was very, you know, selective, or I don't know if it was even selective, they just, you know, they were a new company, so they weren't releasing 20 different designs every single year or anything. But now the, the company, you know, especially in the last couple of years has really kind of turned into a all right. Let's, let's go all out with this brand. Let's get it into carrier stores. Let's, you know, represent all different price categories. And you know, I think, I think for the people who are the traditional OnePlus fans, the luster is off, you know, it it's, it's lost a little bit and it's becoming more of just like another brand of phone that you find in a carrier store. Do you, do you feel that way about this device or about OnePlus general

Adam Doud (00:39:12):
Or how do you feel? I would say, yeah, one plus in general, especially when it comes to the Nord series, it kind of feels like there it's a little bit lost. Like, it's kind of like, I don't wanna say like total spaghetti against the wall and see what sticks, but it just seems like one plus Nord is kind of trying to still find its identity a little bit one plus has moved on from the flagship killers, which, I mean, I ironically the, the one plus one was price at the same tier,

Jason Howell (00:39:39):
Basically that's 2 99 comparison. Yeah, that's true.

Adam Doud (00:39:41):
Right. and, and back then, like that was the top of the line processor. I don't, I don't remember what it was back then, but it was, you know, it was the best processor you could get. And I wanna say that the internal storage was pretty decent Ram was pretty decent. And like really the only thing that you had to compromise on was a 10 80 P panel and a crappy camera and, you know, three gigs

Jason Howell (00:40:07):
Ram 16, well, the three gig 16 gigs of storage on their baseball. Oh

Adam Doud (00:40:12):
My God. Really? Wow.

Jason Howell (00:40:13):
Snap drag, open mouth

Adam Doud (00:40:15):
Insert foot. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:40:16):
Okay. <Laugh> no, no. I mean, but you know what? This was a really long time ago. Like, I can't remember when this phone came out, but you know, we're talking almost Google glass length of time. Probably like eight years would be my guess eight ish years. Right. And at the time thousand dollars flagships didn't exist. Like that was not a normal thing they are now. And so those prices have all crept up, you know, the mid-range yeah. Is now what, you know, kind of the premium, some of the premium phones even used to be, you know, as far as prices concerned. So the, the, the market has just changed.

Adam Doud (00:40:48):
And, and I mean, the, the thing that OnePlus has going for it is that the us market is terrible when it comes to phones. Like you have Motorola, you have one plus, and that's about it in the mid-range space. LGS, not here anymore. TCL has a couple of offerings, but I would say this probably out shines any TCL offering from this year. So, I mean, really, there's not a lot of choice, especially in the budget segment. So I think OnePlus will probably capitalize on that. Oneplus also did say that it, this will be coming as an unlocked version later on in the year, you know, air quotes later this year. So we'll see when that comes around this, but it's a Mo it's a T-Mobile exclusive right now. And by the way, oneplus.com does not sell the OnePlus N 20 the OnePlus door at N 20 5g. It's only a T-Mobile

Jason Howell (00:41:35):
T-Mobile. Yeah.

Adam Doud (00:41:36):
So, which was, I don't know, I found a little laughable, but okay.

Jason Howell (00:41:40):
I will also say like when the original, the, the one that they didn't release here, or one of the ones, one of the NORS that they didn't release here, the very first one that like, had that like light blue is that the CE pretty, I mean, it was literally, it was just called the one plus Nord and it was released overseas. Okay. And you know, I was able to review that and I loved that device. I was like, holy cow, like, this is for value and the, the quality and materials and everything. Like, it was great compromise all around. Like the, the compromises they made were great. Mm-Hmm, <affirmative>, you know, it didn't sacrifice the quality of the phone. And then there was the N was the N 100 that came out and it had kind of like the, it had cheaper build quality, plastic back, definitely a step down in cameras. And that was, that was kind of the first phone from OnePlus where I was like, yeah, okay. I see what you're trying to do here. You're really trying to appeal to this lower price category, and you gotta cut corners in order to do that, but it's kind of losing the OnePlus magic along the way, you know, at the same time. So, so I don't know. It's interesting to see them kind of straddle those lines.

Adam Doud (00:42:49):
One last note that amuses me to no end about this phone when we were briefed on the one plus one plus 10 pro this year, one plus went out of its way to point out how the fingerprint sensor on the one plus 10 pro got moved up because people found it awkward to try to scan their fingerprint when it was that low on the thing. And on the one plus door, right back down on the bottom there. Oh,

Jason Howell (00:43:14):
It is okay. There you go. There you go. It is strange to have it that low, but I mean, you know, at the same time, those kind of things like, yeah, it's weird. If you're a reviewer and you're playing with a million different phones and you see where a lot of them are putting those things. But if you, if you're an owner, like you get really used to it, like at a certain point, it's just kind of the way that phone is. It's not the end of the world, but interesting. All right. So everybody should go over to digital trends.com and seek out Adam's full review of the one plus Nord N 25 G check it out and all of his other work there as well. When you have some, well, basically some more rumors around the pixel watch, we can't stop talking about it. Yes.

Adam Doud (00:43:56):
Well, well, sure should say that. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Should say that Z pixel watch will have sheller connect. I can't do this anymore. Sorry. So <laugh> what it's been, it's been leak central with this pixel watch. Yeah, it has. We've got renders. We've got people leaving them in restaurants, iPhone forest style. And I guess we'll have to kinda wait and see what happens next week, but what we do kind of glean from the specs and the other leaks is that it looks like we're, we're looking at hopefully something that might be a kind of flagship style watch. And yeah, we, we're looking at cellular gosh, darnit cellular connectivity. There you go. Cellular connectivity and a 300 mil amp battery. And in terms of just even the sizing of it, it's very comparable to say the Samsung galaxy galaxy watch galaxy watches in terms of size and thickness, kind of the question will be whether, whether and the question of, and the answer to whether this is flagship worthy will be, you know, its internal specs, the processor, and also its battery life in, in this little article from nine to five, there's a lot of comparisons with the galaxy watch four, which has a slightly smaller battery at 247 mil amps, which claims to run at 40 hours.

Adam Doud (00:45:12):
But I believe Ben sch over at nine to five, said it was more of a 24 hour device. And that seems to be kind of the average on other similar watches from fossil. And is it how Skegan Skagen how do you pronounce that? Oh,

Jason Howell (00:45:24):
That's a good question.

Adam Doud (00:45:25):
Anyway. Skegan Skegan

Jason Howell (00:45:27):
I usually say Scoggin SCO,

Adam Doud (00:45:29):
Whatever. Oh, that sounds better you say, I say, I say Chicago I say Chicago but yeah, 24 hours seems to be about average. So Wegan we'll see. We'll see. We'll have to see what the galaxy or sorry, not the galaxy. We know what the galaxy looks like. We'll just see what the pixel watch looks like. And yeah, it's, it's definitely a robust watch. We've seen renders of it, having that very nice kind of waterfall edge round puzzle, but it's just about the size of a, a galaxy watch for it is a little bit thicker than the 40, sorry. My notes. So many numbers, so many millimeters, but in, in kind of comparing, pairing it to the kind of smaller galaxy watch for it is about four millimeters thicker, which hopefully kind of is attributed to, you know, maybe like the larger battery size.

Adam Doud (00:46:16):
And again, we don't, we don't know. We don't know. Is it how's it gonna charge? We don't know what kind of processor does it have? We don't know a tensor chip X, X, the Samsung chip. I can't pronounce anything today. Excha excha chip chip, some kind of Snapdragon we don't know yet. And so we just have to wait a little bit longer for the answers, but yeah, it looks kind like Google might be trying to do something flagship be with this watch, but I guess top of the line, but we shall have to wait and she

Jason Howell (00:46:46):
Man.

Adam Doud (00:46:47):
Oh

Jason Howell (00:46:47):
Wait. And

Adam Doud (00:46:47):
She, sorry. Wait. And she

Jason Howell (00:46:49):
Wait. We, we obviously need to get Sean Connery on this show to talk about all the latest news in Android. Yeah, I'm sure, but I don't do text report. All right. I'll show I'm on iPhone <laugh> so, okay. So then at Google IO, we know that sun Che said at the latest earnings report, by the way, we're gonna have new hardware to show a Google IO. Obviously part of that is the, is sorry, is the pixel six a do we also think is the pixel watch? Are we let's okay. Let's wa we don't have to wager any actual money, but let's, let's set our, set our decision in stone. Do we think we're gonna see a pixel watch at next week's event? Adam? What do you think?

Adam Doud (00:47:34):
I think we will see both the pixel six a and the pixel watch.

Jason Howell (00:47:38):
Okay. So pixel six a and watch. When, what do you think?

Adam Doud (00:47:44):
I think we'll at least see a hint just because it's everywhere. It there's a thing there there's a thing. Someone left it in a restaurant. I think we will, we will know something okay.

Jason Howell (00:47:53):
Of the watch. I don't actually have to write these down then. Cuz I think we're all on the same page. I think there's

Adam Doud (00:47:58):
Are we talking about launching or are we talking about showing? No,

Jason Howell (00:48:01):
I'm talking about showing. I, I think that, yeah, that next week they're gonna, they're gonna take the covers off the six a of course. And then I think they're also gonna show in some way, shape or form the pixel watch. So

Adam Doud (00:48:15):
Yeah,

Jason Howell (00:48:15):
So yeah, we're all on same page. Okay. So it's guaranteed to happen at this point, basically. Not really. Do we think that we're gonna see the pixel fold at next week's event?

Adam Doud (00:48:27):
No, no. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (00:48:29):
Down little bit. A teaser could even be like one of those, like the end, we we're working really hard to make Android 13, even more friendly to a certain foldable. And then you see this really like super close up like folding thing with some SP graphics and they don't even talk about it. But if you're Eagle eye, do you know? You know, what were you gonna say, Adam?

Adam Doud (00:48:49):
I was gonna say that's that is almost certainly what's gonna happen is they'll say, you know, we're, we're working to be compatible with foldable devices and here's how we're gonna do it. No, we don't have any hardware. Why would you ask such a silly question?

Jason Howell (00:49:02):
<Laugh> look over there. Squirrel

Adam Doud (00:49:04):
<Laugh>

Jason Howell (00:49:05):
Yeah, well you're probably right according to at least this leak apparently we're gonna have to wait until Q4 of this year to see it. According to Ross young from the display supply chain consultants, DSCC whatever that is. After the release of Android 13 with its own slate, of course, of, of foldable display support, right baked in and Google, like totally makes sense that Google would be like, we've been working really hard for these large screen foldable devices. And here is our device to show off everything that we've been hard to work at. So you know, that pricing around $1,400, which by the way, is around $400, less than the current price of the Z fold three. So that hints at pricing of a foldable. I mean that, you know, it's, it's not cheap, but less expensive than the premium premium example in the marketplace right now all. Oh yeah.

Adam Doud (00:50:07):
Oh, so I was just gonna say I'm, I'm just trying to work out the logistics here. Like what does pixel want to do with the pixel fold? Does the pixel, does Google want to sell the pixel fold or does Google want the pixel fold to be sort of like a nexus like device? Like this is the best foldable experience that you can get with Android, but you probably won't buy it. Cuz here's the thing like if, if there's a couple of different reasons why Google might wanna roll out the pixel fold next week at Google, Google IO, reason, number one is you don't want your foldable phone to come out after the Samsung foldable fold because anybody who's gonna wanna buy a foldable phone probably will have just bought one a month ago or two months ago, depending on when Google decides to roll this thing out.

Adam Doud (00:50:53):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and second of all, you'll notice, you know, Samsung has kind of a TikTok type thing going on with the slab phones in, in spring and then foldable phones in fall. Yeah it's does Google want to emulate that by doing a foldable phone in the spring and slab phones in the fall when the pixel seven and seven pro out that's that's the big question. And so like there's two really good reasons why Google should really to pixel fold the next week. I don't think they're gonna do it, but those are two really good reasons why they should, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off in like the

Jason Howell (00:51:28):
No, no, no, not at all. But I think that's a really, really good point. It seems to me that the, to schedule that that Google has going on is all of our, our flagship devices near the end of the year and then our a series or, you know, earlier in the summer or whatever, that, that seems to be kinda like their, their TikTok schedule, which would lend to the foldable coming later in the year, like based on what we've seen them do without hardware event, it seems like all of their major hardware releases at that end of the year, but that's a really great point, right? Like, does, does Google actually want to compete heavily in these markets in the regular foam market with the pixel in the wearable market with the pixel watch in the foldable market with the pixel fold? Like, does Google actually want to be an apple or does goo or a Samsung, or does Google just want to release its devices to a have its foot in the hardware game and B show others how it can be done? And I, I still don't know that we have the answer because if Google's aim is to heavily compete with the apples in the Samsungs of the world, they're doing a pretty poor job. Like they're not doing very well competing, right. They might be building up to something and it might be early on, but they are clearly not there yet.

Adam Doud (00:52:45):
Well, no, I mean, no, you, you're not going to beat them overnight, but Google made a very aggressive push with the pixel on the pixel, the pixel six and the pixel six pro last fall, did

Jason Howell (00:52:55):
That

Adam Doud (00:52:55):
Pay off, it was pricing the pixels, they sold more pixels than ever before, according to the last earnings call. But I mean, granted, it was a low bar. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:53:03):
But I mean, I think that's my point. Yeah.

Adam Doud (00:53:06):
Well, sure. But I mean, you gotta start somewhere. You have to start, you know, and, and I think if Google can eat the cost of some of its devices to undercut the competition, I think that is momentum that will be gained. Although I am not a business analyst nor do I play one on TV

Jason Howell (00:53:23):
<Laugh> but sometimes on podcast, what do you think Quinn?

Adam Doud (00:53:26):
I, I think it, I I'm a little bit more on this is table stakes kind of thinking where I I'm, I'm very skeptical about whether they're going to make a dent into the market, share of apple and Samsung and even Samsung in particular. And I feel like, you know, I think we're enthusi, so we're very aware of the space. But if I, I feel like if foldables are going to break into like mainstream consciousness and mainstream, you know, shopping, unless it's going to be through Samsung, I, at this point at this point, but I do at least from, and I, I don't know how much the dev side matters in this, but I, I feel like at least as a dev, I keep hearing the last few years, whenever Google says something like, can you please support large screens? There seems to be this want of a foldable, not necessarily, because we think that a foldable will make tablets and foldables happen like a, a pixel fold. Not because we think that a pixel fold will make things happen. But I think it is more an example, a kind of like north star for what foldable, the Android foldable slash large screen experience could be. And for some reason that that feels very important. Like, I, again, I don't really expect them to do the numbers that Samsung does. I think if anyone's gonna drive,

Jason Howell (00:54:37):
Take a long,

Adam Doud (00:54:38):
More, it'll be a long time. And I, I think it, it, I think at this point it looks like Samsung is the, the kind of the head of the pack in terms of driving people into actually accepting and adopting foldables. But there's still something to be said about Google putting hardware out there and that maybe, yeah, it'll take Samsung pushing, but it also feels like Google hardware kind of legitimizes ideas. It's sort of, kind of like that they need their

Jason Howell (00:55:02):
Examples, like seal of approval,

Adam Doud (00:55:02):
Exactly sort thing. Exactly. And also, I mean, I do really like the Samsung hardware. I've said this a dozen and a half million times. I don't like their software and their software is a little bit not the stock Android experience. So I think partly having a stock, large screen foldable experience is important, at least for, you know, the rest of us to have to kind of get off the, I don't like tablets, boat, and kind of hop, hop on the little dinghy into large screen experience land. Yeah. So, yeah, it's a small dinghy, but you know, if it floats, then we'll see. I mean, it's a foldable dingy, you know, it's like a, it's got like a

Jason Howell (00:55:38):
Raft. That's wait, wait a minute. Is that news that the pixel fold is gonna float? This is, this is incredible. You

Adam Doud (00:55:44):
Waterproof, waterproof,

Jason Howell (00:55:46):
Waterproof. Yes. Thank you.

Adam Doud (00:55:49):
<Laugh>

Jason Howell (00:55:51):
Yes, it will save you if you're out at lost at sea. That's what I heard. That's what I heard anyways. And the event of a water landing. There was a foldable phone underneath your seat that you can, your seat, your seat is one giant foldable phone, just top on. And yeah. So you

Adam Doud (00:56:07):
Unfold your travel companions foldable before unfolding your own. Oh wait. No, that's the opposite unfold. Your doors first before unfolding that of your travel companion, right?

Jason Howell (00:56:16):
While, while, while you're waiting to be rescued it is installed with angry birds. So you have <laugh> the ability to play while you wait. I should also mention that the pixel fold just a few more leaks and then we'll get into app news here will have a similar, a, a similar inner display as the Samsung devices do the Z fold series, but the outer display is going to be different. It's gonna be a different layout. So 5.8 inches compared to the Z folds Z fold four. So this is looking at the future 6.19 inch and a wider aspect ratio compared to that slim, outer display on the Z fold series. So XTA says it might end up looking a little bit more like the oppo find N which kind of is more of like a Squatty mm-hmm <affirmative> looking

Adam Doud (00:57:08):
<Laugh>.

Jason Howell (00:57:09):
I don't know why that word, but foldable compared to like the tall drink of water that is

Adam Doud (00:57:17):
Squatty to I'm sorry. I, I just wanted to say that on air. I have no good joke. I have no punchline for that joke.

Jason Howell (00:57:24):
Say Squatty,

Speaker 6 (00:57:24):
You say Squatty, you have to say

Jason Howell (00:57:26):
Paty. It's the, yeah. Sorry. They don't make them. Sorry. It's like Kleenex, you know, they've cornered the market.

Adam Doud (00:57:32):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> yep.

Jason Howell (00:57:33):
They've cornered the, yeah. That, that particular market anyways. So let's move on. Should we, I think it's a good idea. Good idea. Up coming up next, you're not gonna have to wait very long cuz we've got some app news.

Adam Doud (00:57:54):
Jason, let's talk about nothing.

Jason Howell (00:57:56):
Let's talk a little bit about nothing, something to do about nothing,

Adam Doud (00:58:00):
Something to do about nothing or maybe as our very own Florence ion rights. Maybe there's a little, nothing to write home about because today the nothing, the, nothing, the nothing launcher is in beta and is released on the Google play store. So if you're really curious about what the software on the new nothing phone might look like, you can give it a shot. I did be did I think as well.

Jason Howell (00:58:23):
Yeah. I've got it on my

Adam Doud (00:58:25):
Flow did. And yeah, I, I'm kind of with flow that it's really nothing to write home about you. It, I mean, it definitely feels like on brand because again, the nothing brand is kind of meant to be an elimination of the bloat and over complication that we find ourselves now in smart device, you know, 20, 22 land and a kind of pairing down of things to essentials. Although it is nothing it's not essential, it's nothing. And the aesthetic of the launcher is, you know, very similar it's simplistic. It's stripped down, but is it taking it too far? And I, I, I would please, please, please, please, please go and read flows review because I think there's plenty of wonderful puns to have because really as flow rights, there's not really, there's really nothing to the launcher, really nothing. And by the way, if you're confused, oh, sorry, go ahead.

Jason Howell (00:59:16):
I was just gonna say, they're gonna end up hating that they call the company nothing, right? Because basically <laugh> this, this is where everybody goes. I mean, it's impossible to not go there. It feels like, yeah,

Adam Doud (00:59:26):
Yeah. Sorry

Adam Doud (00:59:27):
Me. Well, I hate that. They called it nothing. Does that count?

Jason Howell (00:59:30):
That

Adam Doud (00:59:30):
Counts. Absolutely. Hundred's the only thing that matters, Adam. 'em Only thing that

Adam Doud (00:59:34):
Matters. Oh, you should. You should see me in team meetings when we're, whenever we have to talk about this company, it's not a pretty site <laugh>

Adam Doud (00:59:40):
Anyway,

Jason Howell (00:59:41):
Nothing compares to it.

Adam Doud (00:59:43):
Nothing compares. Usually that's a compliment, but maybe in this case it might not be one note actually is that if you're like me and you downloaded it and you're a little confused about where it might show up, you actually have to go into settings, go into app and then default apps and then use home to swap it. And yeah, it's, it's fine. It's fine. I actually took a screen cap of it. I had to, I had to take a screen cap of it. Whenever we can load that up is great. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's just the launcher. We don't know anything about the hardware, the camera there's I, I mean, I, we, oh, and by the way I know that the audio only folks can't, can't see this, but I actually yelped seeing this dang wallpaper, like the it's it's basically a hands kind of like reaching at you through the screen kind of behind like, you know, really thin bars.

Adam Doud (01:00:30):
I actually screamed like, what the heck is this? It felt like, you know, like a little psycho moment. I think, I think actually flow felt similarly and it's fine, you know? I really don't like this default background. It has kind of interesting things like kinda hurts. Yeah. It, it kinda does, especially with like the default fonts and colors, it, this dang wallpaper is just so visually distracting, you know, and there's some cute things, like all of the full folders for your home screen and even in the kind of bar below. Yeah. You can have, they actually have an enlarged mode, so you can have them kind of expanded rather than collapse and kind of occluding icons as general. The nothing widgets are fairly attractive. And you know, I, I guess within the style with kind of pixelated.style and they work fine. I, I really don't like the colored choices, like when you're in the widget edit mode, it's just, there's no contrast. I just don't get it. Yeah. Yeah, totally.

Jason Howell (01:01:28):
It's very one, one note,

Adam Doud (01:01:30):
One note. So there's there's yeah. It's, it's fine. It's fine. I really, it's not really a good first impression. There's just not a lot. There's, there's just nothing to it. I think there's, I mean, we're joking, but actually there is one thing and flow note of this that you can switch between app by icon sets very easily. And so I think this is the one thing, sorry. So there is one thing to nothing and that there is this cute little icon pack switcher. So there's that, but then this happened to me. If you have like seizure issues, please be careful if you're watching. Oh, I guess thank you bird for cutting it out, but oh, never mind. Yeah. yeah. And then the, if you're using beta, it's a beta. Yeah. It's a beta, right? It's a beta. Basically the launcher at some point just started continuing crashing and giving me like strobe blight face. So install it your own risk, but I don't know. I, I hate to sound so Debbie downer about it, but there's really not. There's really just nothing to it.

Jason Howell (01:02:26):
Okay. So what is, why, why did they do this? Why did they release this in advance? Is this to stir up interest? I mean, it, it got at least some enthusiast going, oh, well let's check this out, but haven't seen a whole lot of really positive <laugh> feedback on it for people who've checked it out

Adam Doud (01:02:46):
Actually to mention that Carl pay did say that there was a discord and if folks wanna join and leave feedback, they should do that. So maybe that's feedback, maybe that's just, maybe that's it. Maybe because they're trying this new thing with their branding and trying to do this stripped down down to, you know, the most simplest, the most essential, sorry to keep using brand names. They picked bad words, not bad words, but just very easy to want to say words. Maybe they're just trying to reconcile their design system and their design goals with what people actually want. So maybe, I mean, it might be worth it. I mean, Google releases, developer, you know, previews weight early all the time and has things at break and has things that we don't really like. And then hopefully by actual release time, things are concretely changed. Yeah. So maybe this is it. So, I mean, give it a shot, I guess if you're a, you know, a Carl pay fan or have been intrigued by nothing. And I, I would definitely leave feedback. That would be the one thing that I think is worth doing is that if they're sincere about trying to do something different, then give them the feedback. I should probably go in and mention the little Hitchcock hand Blu that I ended up with, but you know, it, I, yeah. Feedback early feedback seems to be a reasonable answer.

Jason Howell (01:03:57):
Yeah. The, the hand wallpaper kind of looks like a, like a horror movie cover or something, or maybe I'm just been watching too many horror movies, but it's just, it's just interesting. I mean, it's visually, it's different, I suppose, but yeah. I don't know what it really tells us to be honest. I don't know what it really tells us about the phone at all. And I mean, maybe it's not supposed to, but if it's truly different, which doesn't really seem like it really is then I don't know. I guess I don't understand that. So

Adam Doud (01:04:25):
It doesn't tell us anything about the phone, but what it does do is so I, I have two theories. One of which was handed to me by, I think it was max WB on Twitter friend of a show, max WB I'm. Sure. And his, his suggestion was perhaps they launched this launcher to up their download numbers so that they could go to investors and, and point to like, see how many people are interested in this. Okay. Look at this, we got 5 million downloads and all it is is a stupid launcher. Can you imagine what'll happen when we launch a phone? So there's that, but I think more so my personal theory is that this is just a hype piece. This is just a way to get people talking about the company, talking about the upcoming phone that we all know is coming. But when that is gonna be, I don't, we don't know. And it's just a way for nothing to show off, like I guess a part of their, but I think, I think mostly, I think it's mostly just for us to talk about nothing. And I think that's really the company. Nothing, not nothing, nothing.

Jason Howell (01:05:28):
Right. Not actual, nothing got, yeah, nothing

Adam Doud (01:05:31):
Here we are, again, I'm back in a team meeting. Dang it. Okay. Yeah. Good.

Jason Howell (01:05:34):
Well, you know, and I mean, Carl pay like it's no surprise. He has always, you know, with one plus and now obviously with, with nothing, you know, he's, he's very much into this idea of, of like marketing in trying different things in order to market their products and not always going the well paved path to marketing and doing something that's, that's going to grab attention. And even if that attention isn't good attention, it's attention. Right. And we saw that many times with one plus and in many different ways, they might not have enjoyed being in the hot water that they got into, but it certainly had people talking about it. And it didn't really seem to detract from people's interest or curiosity about the brand. So maybe it's the same here too,

Adam Doud (01:06:22):
You know? No there such thing as bad publicity, but is there such a thing as too many low star reviews? Cause I, I looked before the show two, it was 2.8 on the 2.8 stairs on the

Jason Howell (01:06:33):
That's a good question. Yeah.

Adam Doud (01:06:35):
So

Adam Doud (01:06:35):
I didn't even think about that,

Adam Doud (01:06:37):
But I mean, if you don't like it, then I guess install another launch.

Jason Howell (01:06:40):
<Laugh> I thought you were gonna say is, is there such a thing as too many nothing burgers and oh

Adam Doud (01:06:46):
No, I didn't. But

Jason Howell (01:06:48):
Have here's here's a feature that that you could play around with, but there's not a whole lot to it. That would be a nothing burger. Yeah. I don't know. Everybody should check it out if you think differently. Or if you think the same, we wanna hear from you triple a TV, let us know what you think of the nothing launcher, beta release. Okay. This next story is a little near and dear to my heart because if you're familiar with band camp, I adore band camp. It's just such a, a great site, great service for musicians looking to sell their music sell their merchandise. I mean, it's just, it's been around for a long time. I've used it for forever. And I just love 'em. I forgot that epic games bought band camp last month. I remember seeing the, the headline and then promptly forgot about it.

Jason Howell (01:07:36):
But it's now in the news because as we know, Google is changing its billing it's, it's play billing kind of requirements, essentially starting June 1st. If developers are offering billing that isn't using Google's own play billing service, then they could get booted from the play store. And some had wondered when epic acquired band camp, if this was because, because I, I do remember when I heard about that, I was like, well, that's an interesting acquisition. Like what, what is that about? Some were wondering if it had to do with Epic's longstanding, at least the last couple of years, kind of war against Google and apple around their payment services and not keeping it open to third party payments. Right? And that, that epic might have a plan to use band camp as kind of a weapon in this battle. Well, here we are a month later and it seems that's the case.

Jason Howell (01:08:32):
They are, what is it? They are epic has filed a motion for a preliminary injunction. And they're looking to block band camp from getting booted. Epic says band camp's which has a custom payment system is actually incompatible with play billing for a number of reasons. You know, artists are paid within 24 to 48 hours. So band camp is set up to pay artists quickly because a lot of people who are making music and put it on band camp, aren't, you know, making a ton of money or they might need that money fast. So that's kind of part of the service compared to Google's 15 to 40 day 45 day turnaround band camp pays artists 82% of the revenue with Google's 10% commission, which by the way, Google granted band camp, a 10% commission, which is lower than the traditional commission com commission rate that they pull out because they complained, it still means that they can't pay the artist, what they had promised.

Jason Howell (01:09:32):
So there's that, and then even more complexity is the fact that band camp offers not just digital in-app purchases, right? Like digital music that you could buy, but also sells merchandise and Google's billing play billing, doesn't support merchandise. So in essence, that would require band camp to have two different payment models. One for if you're buying music digitally. And then one another one, if you're buying merchandise, which is just kind of like a, you know, a fork that potentially doesn't need to be there. But so anyways, this is pairing to be an acquisition that is meant to further challenge apple and Google on their payment systems. And I don't know, I don't know how I feel about it because I, because I totally support third, third party payment systems, right. Like, I, I, I want, I want that to be the case, but then also there's epic games, which sometimes can, you know, has left a lot of bad tastes in a lot of people's, you know, mouths, which is just a weird saying, forget. I said that anyways epic games has, has made a lot of people, you know, kind of wonder like, okay, what are your real motives here? And so I don't know if this kind of plays into that, that playbook, but what do you guys think? Curious,

Adam Doud (01:10:45):
I, I'm actually very fascinated to hear a developer's standpoint on this one, so I will yield the floor to win

Adam Doud (01:10:51):
<Laugh>. Oh yeah, I I'm a similar mind where I think that a lot of the things that we've been talking about the last few months is basically large platforms like Google and apple kind of being pushed to be more open, to be more inclusive of like just various, like, you know, various like different pay models, pay systems and trying to be more inclusive and trying to break trust trusty, like monopoly ish ha behavior. I, I agree with you. And I don't like the idea. It almost like the framing is kind of weird, like with epic positioning itself to fight. And I, again, I'm not a big fan of epic at all, but I do think that this kind of fight and battle is important. And, you know, I, I, you know, hearing you talk about band camp, I'm actually really excited about it. I, I think that it's important, especially for, you know, apps like this that are trying to do something different and offer like services or, you know, provide people opportunities that they don't normally get.

Adam Doud (01:11:42):
Like, that's one of the things I love about technology and, and doing apps like this is to provide these kind of opportunities. And yeah, I think that they would be harmed and their users and customers would have a worse experience if their billing would be split like that. So I think it's a good fight to fight. I don't like who's necessarily fighting it in terms of epic, but I do think it's important. And I think actually in the thing is what was like a 30% cut, like, so they got 20 10% when normally it's 30% and, you know, just like, presumably the artists on band camp are doing this because they love music, but they need like a way to actually, you know, make a decent living out of it. Similarly in kind of smaller, smaller ways to do independent developers and other people trying to do, you know, kind of compete with the existing, like mil myriads of services, which are continually getting like merge and AC acquired all over the place. I feel like this kind of, this kind of action will hopefully help independence of the artist, variety of the dead variety. Again, I don't like who's fighting it. And I'm a little bit curious about what the end game for epic is. Maybe it's just cuz they wanna do their own thing, which I'm usually a high tide lifts, all boats kind of person, but I don't know. We'll see. I, I, I do

Jason Howell (01:12:58):
Maybe they're the right ones to do it. Like maybe, you

Adam Doud (01:12:59):
Know, maybe they're the right ones, maybe that the chosen ones and I'm just being, you know, like I'm that like old cranky woman in the village that doesn't like the hero because of something, something. And then they go off and prove me wrong and I bring them like a basket of baked goods at the end of the movie or something. But we'll see. I, I,

Jason Howell (01:13:16):
I think, I think I follow

Adam Doud (01:13:18):
That was a long, that was a weird, sorry. I

Jason Howell (01:13:21):
Just wish that I had a basket of baked goods in front of me right now. It

Adam Doud (01:13:25):
Too. Maybe I'm just really hungry.

Jason Howell (01:13:27):
<Laugh> great. Now I'm hungry. Typing hot,

Adam Doud (01:13:29):
Appreciate

Jason Howell (01:13:30):
Hot, the wavy lines above them. That's

Adam Doud (01:13:32):
Exactly that smell those little, like little like CRISC crosses on the, you know, on yes. On your reds and

Jason Howell (01:13:38):
The do butter on top.

Adam Doud (01:13:40):
Well of course. Okay. Anyway. Gosh that,

Jason Howell (01:13:42):
Sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah, maybe, maybe epic is just the right. You know, whether, because I find myself in a very similar kind of conflicted area, it's like, eh, there are things that rub me the wrong way about epic games, but then at the same time, they're, you know, they're really dedicated to this one core issue and this one core issue I can recognize would be great for a lot of indie, you know, indie developers for musicians, you know, mm-hmm <affirmative>, I can respect that. So maybe we'll just, okay. Maybe. So you're the ones to make it happen. I guess I should just get over it.

Adam Doud (01:14:15):
But you know, speaking as a baseball fan, that's coming off of a, an MLB lockout. It, it, it's kind of the same argument millionaires versus billionaires. And so it's really hard to take a side on this and I have never been one to take epic games side because at the end of a day, epic games decided to make apps in the app store. It's not like this was not a thing before. It's not like epic games was a walking along with its little Fortnite thing and suddenly apple and Google just like through, down the Gatland and said, Nu shall pass, no epic made, oh, excuse me, epic made games to go into these app stores. And like, now it, it it's like going into a restaurant and saying, what do you mean I need to wear shirt and shoes? I don't see, I don't see how that's relevant to anything.

Adam Doud (01:15:08):
I just want to hamburger people and they're like, sir, please put your pants back on. I mean really honestly, I'm, I'm, I'm a little tired of the argument, but at the same time, like I, I recognize that, see, I think epic is doing this for money. I think epic is doing this 100% for money so that they can get the large size jacuzzi instead of the medium sized jacuzzi in their break room. But I think also that epic has pointed out the fact that apple and Google both do have monopolies yeah. In their app stores. And you know, even like apple, even more so than Google, like at least with Google, you can side load, but with apple it's, it's, it's egregious and why lawmakers have not seen that. I do not know, but I mean, even, even Google to a certain extent when you even side loading is not a convincing argument, when, I mean, nobody goes to shark tank with a business plan, we're gonna have a website where you can download your own launcher, which will then install my app. No, no shark will back that. <Laugh> so true. Yeah. And it just, I just epic is right in that it's pointing out these monopolies, but it's also not doing it for the right reasons. Yeah. At least as far as ethic is concerned. Yeah.

Adam Doud (01:16:28):
I, I think that's really fair. I, but I, I think that's totally fair. I do think something that's interesting here is, and, and again, kind of going back to the way that kind of the way that band camp works, being incompatible, or at least kind of budding against some rough edges when it comes to the way that the Google play store works with, you know, having, being in marketplace, whereas Google place usually like kind of like more like single developer. And again, like you mentioned, the physical versus electronic things and this actually kind of ties slightly back to, I think like other stories we've had like the back button stories where, you know we're at 10 years now with, with Android in the play store. And I, I feel like, you know, the way that things are done, the way that, that these systems have brought up, they don't, they don't account for all the use cases.

Adam Doud (01:17:10):
And this goes back to the back button thing, because a lot of times the reason where developers do weird crap with the back button is that the system is built a certain way. And you find yourself wanting to write your app or write your service in a certain way and the way that the Google APIs and the way that the Google system work is a little bit not conducive or a little hostile is a little bit strong, but it doesn't quite fit your use case. And so you find yourself doing weird crap to make it work or to try to make it work. And I feel like this is kind of not dissimilar in that we have this whole system it's heavy. It's, it's, it's a monopoly and it's, it's monolithic, it's heavy and it's not, it's not, it's Android is open, but in these kind of like weird ways where, you know, just like Google play services and Google play store, it gets just, just incredibly like like impassable set in stone kind of things.

Adam Doud (01:18:02):
And this is not kind of the, in the spirit of like, you know, where people are taking, you know, digital things in the economy, digital marketplaces like this. So I think it's very interesting and I, and while I totally agree with you, I think epic is doing it for money. And I don't like that. I do think someone pushing against this system and seeing if it budges is interesting just for the sake of progressing, you know, whatever this digital life that we all have with, you know, and bringing things like band camp as a marketplace too. I, I think it's worth pushing back on and seeing if Google can adapt or whether we're all just gonna be like yanking up the bank, the Jan up band camp, as well as back buttons, you know, that kind of thing. So, yeah, I think it's interesting. And I think it's like 10 years of like getting to do things your way and now everyone's like, nah, we wanna do it this way. Which I, I can't help, but think is at least a good question to ask. So

Adam Doud (01:18:52):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative> oh yeah. I totally agree with that. And I also am happy that epic is the one pushing back because honestly, if anybody's going to have the money to push back against apple and Google, it's probably somebody like epic games. Yeah. Yes. So they're, they, they necessarily have to pick up that mantle. It doesn't really matter why they're doing it. <Laugh>, you know, they can do it for whatever greedy reasons that they want, but as long as, as long as we make forward progress, I a hundred percent agree with you on

Jason Howell (01:19:20):
That. Yeah. Yep. Agreed. Agreed. All right. We're isn't it nice. So

Adam Doud (01:19:26):
We can all agree on everything.

Jason Howell (01:19:28):
<Laugh> so nice. We will not move on from story to story until we all agree on that particular story, like this one win. What do we have agree about this time?

Adam Doud (01:19:39):
We have to agree that you, that if your password is found in a data breach, that you should change it and okay. Google assistant is trying to make that easier for you. I mean, it's kind of a, I, I think it's a good thing. I think we all get on board with, if someone is still on your password, you should probably change it. And Google assistant via duplex, which if you might remember, is the service that allows you to kind of allow the system that allows you to offload tedious tasks, like say making phone reservations, purchasing movie, movie tickets, ordering food to offload that to the Google assistant. I, I don't remember why it was called duplex. I think someone told me once and I completely forgot. Oh. Cause I just think a duplex says like the, the, the building, the home residence thing. But anyway I think it's, I

Jason Howell (01:20:23):
Think wasn't, wasn't it modem terminology back in the day too.

Adam Doud (01:20:27):
Was it, oh, that might make sense. Like a multiplex or duplex, duplex mode, something like that.

Jason Howell (01:20:31):
It was yeah. Duplex, telecommunications, duplex communication systems, point to point system composed two or more connected parties or devices that could communicate with one another and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Adam Doud (01:20:42):
That's what, okay. So like a conversation. So anyways, well soon you might be able to have Google assistant either automatically or with your manual request, be able to check if your password has been found in a data breach. And if your are on the site, where said data breach has happened, Google assistant can actually prompt you to change your password and help you do it automatically. If you're doing it totally automatically, they will pop up a bottom sheet. They will they'll first give you notification saying, please change your password now. And if you select to do that, they will open a bottom sheet. They will pre suggest a password for you. And you can just accept. And you're good to go. Of course, at any point in this, you can override and then as you are taken to, you know, whatever service it is, where you have like the stolen password, you can override any time and kind of take care of things yourself. But love it. Yeah, apparently. Yeah. I love this. I, I think this is kind of one of those things that, you know, I, I don't, I'm sure there's a, I'm sure someone can think of a, a downside to this, but you know, we kind of talked about password managers and, and like PAKEs before. And I think this is just another step in helping people and guide people to be more safe. And it is a gradual roll up, but apparently some people have had it since November. So if you see this,

Adam Doud (01:21:56):
Oh, wow.

Adam Doud (01:21:57):
Definitely. You're

Jason Howell (01:21:58):
Lucky.

Adam Doud (01:21:58):
You're lucky. Yeah. But definitely if you get, get some, if you get Google telling you that you need to change your password, just change your password, just do it,

Jason Howell (01:22:05):
Love it. These easier. We can make it safely to change passwords. And when, when needed like Google automatically recognizing this password is, is leaked, you need to change it and I'll do it for you. Do you approve with this? Okay, great. Boom. Without me having to go in and do any sort of manual things, as long as it's done safely, that's awesome. Because a lot of people aren't gonna do it otherwise, like they're just not gonna do it. This, this encourages. So,

Adam Doud (01:22:30):
Yeah. And there's a lot of control, like if, oh, sorry, go ahead, Adam.

Adam Doud (01:22:33):
No, I was gonna say I checked when I read the story, I actually checked to see if I had this feature and I do not yet. It took me a while to find a week password because one of the things that I did in my transition from freelance into working full time, I had a few weeks off. So I actually password hygiene was one of the things that I did in order to nice. It was just one of those things that's so time consuming and I found myself with time. So I figure I may as well do it, but yeah, so I checked right before we went on the show and I do not have that yet, but I am very much looking forward to it because despite that password hygiene break, I still have a few passwords that have been compromised. So I need to need to get those switched. And I'm waiting for Google to do it for me because I'm lazy.

Jason Howell (01:23:17):
<Laugh> I refuse to do it on my own when you can do it for me, Google. Thank you very much. I appreciate you. All right. That is the app news coming up next. We've got a bunch of your email, your feedback up next, aaa@twi.tv, 3 47 show AA. That's how you can get in contact with us and be part of the feedback section like Scott, who. Okay. So these first couple of emails that we got are all about this, like continuing thread of how to clean ports and everything. I, I think we've been talking about this for a month in feedback at this point. This is just how it works on this show. Apparently Scott writes, this is my preventative solution for gun and damage for the USB port on my phone. It's to buy a magnetic adapter. For example, here are two that I've used and he links to a couple of Amazon product pages that show these.

Jason Howell (01:24:10):
And he says, this helps protect the port in the phone itself while also making disconnects and reconnects faster and easier. The plug keeps out the dust and takes on the wear and tear. If something happens to the adapter, it's far cheaper and easier to replace the adapter than repair the phone. And so it's got like a little plug that goes into the port and then a little magnetic, like snap on the other side, similar to like a Magna magnae MagSafe connector. And so that plug stays in your port, your USBC port, and the, the magnet just like connects to it. That's a really, I didn't know this existed. That's a really cool yeah, I love that hack.

Adam Doud (01:24:51):
I love that. Absolutely. I love that. And you know, I'm a big proponent of wireless charging. I'm a big proponent of MagSafe actually I have, can I find it, is it in the first drawer that I open? No, it's in the second drawer. I have a Samsung galaxy S 22 ultra with a MagSafe case on it. Oh yeah. Because I, because I love MagSafe that much. And like the first thing I search for with every new phone that I get is, you know, X name of phone on Amazon X name of phone case. Magsafe just to see if there's anybody else out there that has it. And so far I've been quite unsuccessful, but yeah, I, I love the idea of this magnetic charging. The one has a 90 degree angle on it, which I think would be a little weird for like vent mounts and like, you know, in your car. Yeah. So but like there, there was another one there, which was just a straight on magnet that I'm, I might be ordering after the show. So because I'm, I'm, I'm fascinated with this. And I, and I love the idea of magnetic charging ever since the the Palm days. So bring it on more magnets, I say,

Jason Howell (01:26:00):
Yeah. And it, and it's killing two birds with one stone, right? Like it's, it's plugging up the port. So the port isn't getting dirty, mm-hmm <affirmative> and it's giving you magnet charging. Although, you know, if you're not at home where your magnet charger thingy is, then you're taking the thing out of the port, but still it was protecting the port. And, you know, last week we had these little port plugs, these like little rubber plugs that you can put in there, which, you know, someone in our feedback section told us about, and that's what they used. It's not a bad solution, but we did kind of Ron made the point that like, eh, you know, now I gotta take out that thing and put it down and make sure it doesn't like, you know, fall off the table or whatever it's tiny and everything. So there's a little bit of that, but this gives you that plus a little bit of extra functionality in different direction. So really neat solution that I had no idea even existed. Scott. So thank you for sending that in to us. We appreciate it.

Adam Doud (01:26:52):
Yeah, for sure.

Jason Howell (01:26:53):
For sure.

Adam Doud (01:26:54):
For

Jason Howell (01:26:54):
Sure. For sizzle, for

Adam Doud (01:26:55):
Sure. Well right before I get to the continued saga of cleaning up reports, I did wanna point out that Leewood in the in discord did say that he actually has the duplex automatically changed password feature. And he says it works great, but not all sites support it, unfortunately.

Jason Howell (01:27:11):
Oh, okay.

Adam Doud (01:27:12):
So that's a bummer. So just be aware of that.

Jason Howell (01:27:14):
I mean, assistant yeah. Assistant, isn't gonna automatically know exactly where it needs to go to change your password on all sites. Yeah. So that makes sense. I mean, it would be great if that were the case where, you know, where it just automatically knew exactly where to go, but I, I think it makes sense that it would probably only work with a number of like really high profile websites, you know, that that's easy to track and to know that the effort's worth it.

Adam Doud (01:27:41):
So now I'm kind of wondering if maybe I do have it, but I just went to a website that didn't support it.

Jason Howell (01:27:45):
<Laugh> yeah. So that's a possib possibility could be,

Adam Doud (01:27:49):
It is a hard thing to, it is a hard thing to test. I guess, if you really wanna test it, change all your passwords back to being uny uny

Jason Howell (01:27:55):
<Laugh> right.

Adam Doud (01:27:56):
Unhygienic.

Jason Howell (01:27:57):
Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't

Adam Doud (01:27:58):
Do that.

Jason Howell (01:27:59):
Do not do that

Adam Doud (01:28:00):
For the sake of science or otherwise, but oh yeah. I'm

Jason Howell (01:28:03):
Confus one day. You'll probably organically see it you'll be like, oh, this is the thing that we were talking about two years ago on all that

Adam Doud (01:28:09):
You go. Yeah. I think by the time you get it, maybe they'll figure out the incompatibility. It's like, I can't think maybe it's something weird about the forms of certain sites or maybe just, they're not able to get the information, but anyway. Yeah. thank you very much for letting us know Lee woods. Yeah. Thank you. So, but back, but back to cleaning ports, we've got a email from Robert who says hi guys, a long time listener, love the show, keep up the great work. Thank you. Here's a tool to clean up ports and small crevices and El and electronics. And I'm sure it can be used for other things. Port cleanliness is a thing.

Jason Howell (01:28:41):
Yeah. Port you port hygiene.

Adam Doud (01:28:43):
<Laugh> port hygiene and I'm not, this is, this is really interesting. Sorry. Robert has linked us. It's it is another Amazon product page. And it's really neat. Like, what is I I'm? Is it like a, I can't Jason? What is this? I'm

Jason Howell (01:28:59):
<Laugh>, it's a multi

Adam Doud (01:29:02):
Tool. It's a pinwheel. So

Jason Howell (01:29:03):
It's a multi tool it's tool. Yeah. And like, it has these different, like, it looks like a star almost. And, and on the point of every star is like a different tool. One might fit into the port and clean the port out another, you might put your plug into so that it cleans the plug itself.

Adam Doud (01:29:20):
Gotcha. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. It looks like one of the, like you can add like a little pipe cleaner to one of the tips and there's even some kind of is that like some kind of cleaner, like a gel there's like a little tube of something. But

Adam Doud (01:29:34):
Do not look at the six picture. It's a little gross. Just FairWarning

Adam Doud (01:29:38):
Right. I've got Ooh.

Adam Doud (01:29:40):
Yeah, yeah. Right.

Adam Doud (01:29:41):
Yeah. Gross. yeah. Talking about cleaning the gunk that gets on your ear gunk or your EarPods. Oh yeah. Well, but yeah, it's a really interesting multi-tool that has just multiple different, I guess, a ways of cleaning, whether it's this brush, whether it's like these little kind of like NUS that help you kind of scrape out. I presume dirt and debris and yeah. It's all in this one little tiny handheld. It looks like maybe like a couple inches, an inch and a half large. Yeah. It's pretty small. So pretty small. And it comes with like its own. What is this? This is some kind of like cleaner or what is that lubricant? Or maybe

Adam Doud (01:30:17):
Like things it's like a putty, like a think

Jason Howell (01:30:19):
They call it your buddy clean that's putty is the sixth image. The sixth image. Oh yeah. Because yeah. It's what pulls the gunk out of the, the port. Right. So,

Adam Doud (01:30:27):
Oh God, it's on the screen. Oh God. It's I damn you Burke. Sorry. You

Jason Howell (01:30:34):
Guys were talking about it. I had to, yeah. Yeah. This is where audio listeners win

Adam Doud (01:30:39):
<Laugh>.

Jason Howell (01:30:41):
But yeah, so I think that's what it is. It's kind of like a, a, a soft, sticky surface so that you push your, like your earbud into it so that it goes into the whole can grab whatever's in there and pull it out.

Adam Doud (01:30:54):
So

Jason Howell (01:30:54):
Kinda like that green green goop that you use to clean your keyboards and oh, kinda like slime. Yeah. That slime stuff that you, that oh. Gets in in between, but doesn't actually go into your keyboard and get lost

Adam Doud (01:31:05):
Image. Five said it has conductivity solution included. Maybe that's the little red tube that I saw. Oh

Jason Howell (01:31:12):
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you're talking about something different.

Adam Doud (01:31:15):
Yeah. If you look in, this is, yeah. There's like a little red

Jason Howell (01:31:19):
Tube. Oh, I see. Oh, that's interesting. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I was thinking of something else.

Adam Doud (01:31:24):
I thought that was cyanide <laugh>

Adam Doud (01:31:27):
In case you

Jason Howell (01:31:28):
A lot of

Adam Doud (01:31:30):
Novels, sorry. I've been reading a lot of spy novels. This,

Jason Howell (01:31:32):
This boat is just it's too far gone. It's dirty. I'm done. I'm done. Check it out. Pop, open the cide

Adam Doud (01:31:39):
Pace. Oh,

Adam Doud (01:31:41):
Okay. So it's it it, so just to, I was like, what is it? JSI have no idea what this is. Looks cool. I'm gonna buy it and then find out what is, but yeah, the little star shape, it has like 6 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. It has six tips, but each tip is actually a brush. And then to store it, you turn, you inverse the brush and then put the brush side inside of like the star to store it. And then when you're actually using it, you take the tip out kind of like an eye, fix it. There you go. Or any of those other kind of like interchangeable head screwdrivers, but with brushes, this is so awesome.

Jason Howell (01:32:10):
Nice. So that's funny audio listeners, if you're, if you're like, what is it called? I don't know what to search for. I mean, you can check our show notes, but which TWiT TV slash AA, just look for today's episode. But on Amazon, it's called the pure port. Multi-Tool cleaning kit with air squares, earbud, and, and a million other words because that's what all Amazon titles do. But right. But that's basically it pure port, one word cleaning and maintenance. Multi-Tool look for that.

Adam Doud (01:32:38):
Oh, and the connect con, oh my gosh. Shelf share and connectivity. Con the con conductivity solution. Oh my gosh is meant to remove contaminants and repair arcing and oxide oxide damaged bits. And it kind of looks like you actually apply the solution inside of one of the tips and then put the port in and let it sew. Oh. Or something kind of like a Manny petty almost, but for your, but for your cables. <Laugh>

Jason Howell (01:33:07):
Interesting.

Adam Doud (01:33:09):
I'm

Jason Howell (01:33:10):
Guessing less safe about, but I guess, I don't know. I don't know for certain,

Adam Doud (01:33:13):
Yeah. Maybe I, maybe I might be wrong about that, but the, it kind of seems what the pictures are implying is that

Jason Howell (01:33:19):
They're just, I don't have a whole lot of cords that like, I'm that look that bad that are so precious to me that I feel like I need to yeah. That look that bad. A B I'm just a, I'm just not a, a cord cleaner, I suppose. Yeah. <Laugh> but read, read the instructions, I think is the important

Adam Doud (01:33:35):
Takeaway here. Read the instructions

Jason Howell (01:33:37):
And you're, and don't take why I'm V and yeah, we are not responsible for blah, blah, blah. Okay. Yeah. Good. We've got our, our appropriate disclosures out of the way. We are absolved of all responsibility, but thank you, Robert, for sending that in. And thank you, Scott. That was a good kind of block on how to clean your phone. We'll see if next week we have even more in the email box, cuz they seem to keep coming in. It's a topic you guys y'all like apparently. All right. It's time for the email of the week.

Jason Howell (01:34:10):
Kyle from Tampa, Florida. Thank you for writing in Kyle. Kyle says, just listen to this week's show and felt the pain of not having a two factor code after an Android wipe. This brought me back to my route and rom days when I would flash a new build sometimes nightly. I remember those days I, I was right there working, love it. Since that time for years, I've kept a small printout of one time. Google two factor codes folded up in my wallet for just these occasions. I have only had to use them one or two times, but when I needed them, I was glad I had them. You likely already know this, but just in case you can print out a list of these one time codes in a security section of your Google account online. And that's a really great reminder. If you have two factors set on your Google account and I, and I'm sure this goes for other accounts that you have two factor authentication set for.

Jason Howell (01:35:02):
You can look at each of those services and see if they actually offer this. But definitely with Google, you can go to your Google account, the security section and print out. It's, it's meant to be kind of like a last resort and they give you this tiny little printouts. It's probably about this big when you print it out and it's just like 10 codes, 10 backup codes. So that worst case scenario, you know, technology goes awry. You forget whatever the case may be. Have that stored somewhere that technically it should be stored somewhere that no one could ever get to it. I would be nervous keeping it in my wallet if, if I lost my wallet or whatever, like I'd be kind of nervous that someone would now end up having backup codes for my most precious

Adam Doud (01:35:41):
Accounts. I'm fairly sure you could reset those just at

Jason Howell (01:35:45):
Y's true. Cause you probably can. Yeah. I'm I'm certain

Adam Doud (01:35:48):
Can. Yeah, I'm pretty darn sure you can. So because I I've looked at those before contemplating and printing them out and decided not to, but I believe I re I read at the time, like you could push this button to reset and I said, oh, what does this do? And it reset everything. So I'm like, oh, okay, don't touch that again. Good to

Jason Howell (01:36:05):
Know. Yeah. In fact, Victor, you just, you just showed an, an FAQ page on this and it even St says you can get a new set of 10 backup codes whenever you want. When you create a new set of codes, the old set automatically becomes inactive. So that's good reminder. But you know, print that out. If you've got two-factor authentication set on your account, store it away, someplace safe, forget about it. And hopefully you never need it, but if you do, you've got it and you haven't lost your access. So I just wanna say this came in handy with the family member. Oh, did it?

Adam Doud (01:36:35):
Oh,

Jason Howell (01:36:35):
Nice. So yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's meant to be your saving, you know, your saving grace if, if needed. So it's nice to know that you can do that. So great reminder, Kyle, thank you for that. And congratulations. We have nothing to give you other than these horns. You are the email

Adam Doud (01:36:52):
<Laugh>

Jason Howell (01:36:55):
All right. We have reached the end of this episode and we went a little long today, but it was a lot of fun. Really great to have you back, Adam dad. Thank you so much.

Adam Doud (01:37:03):
Well, thank you for the opportunity to come on and talk all about Android. That was fun. That's and Jason, I just, I just wanna say you run a tight ship and the producer in me really appreciates the hell out of that. So

Jason Howell (01:37:15):
<Laugh> <laugh> cool. Thank you. I appreciate that. What do you want people to know about anything you're working on or yeah, this is your, your opportunity to plug.

Adam Doud (01:37:27):
This is my time to pimp my stuff. Okay. well my day job is interim section editor@digitaltrends.com, where you can catch all the news and reviews you could possibly want in the world of mobile by night and by weekend, I'm the co-producer and host of the benefit of a doubt podcast. That's benefit of the D O U D just like my last name. And I have lost so many people look so many people looking for the benefit of a doubt podcast, but anyway you can find that podcast@benefitofthedow.com or whatever podcast player you happen to be listening to this show on and on the Twitters and on the Instagrams. I am dead technology and that is the sum of me. And before I sign off win, I just wanted to say officially great to meet you. And it has been a slice.

Adam Doud (01:38:14):
It has been absolute pleasure, Adam, so happy to get to meet you and likewise, super slice,

Jason Howell (01:38:20):
Super slice pizza slices, all around

Adam Doud (01:38:23):
Pizza or cake or pie, or what other slice of

Jason Howell (01:38:26):
Clarification. I mean, trends digital trends right

Adam Doud (01:38:29):
There anyway.

Jason Howell (01:38:31):
Oh, he's not gonna answer your slice question. Okay. When, what, oh, there

Adam Doud (01:38:35):
Was a question. I'm sorry. I was too,

Adam Doud (01:38:36):
Sorry. I was like a slice of what it's. Okay. We, we have to PI out the digital trends when we, when you're here. So that's totally valid, right.

Jason Howell (01:38:42):
I'm sorry. <Laugh> what about you? When, what you working on?

Adam Doud (01:38:46):
Well, unlike Adam, I do play a dev on TV. Actually I play dev on TV and in real life. And what I mean is that actually last week I was, I was not with y'all and I was very sad about it. Cause I was in London filming another episode of the Android show.

Jason Howell (01:38:59):
Of course you

Adam Doud (01:39:00):
Were. Oh, so yes, I was awesome. And it's going to be IO IO centric. I think I can say that. So keep an eye out for it next week and then maybe a trailer later this week. I have no idea. Hopefully I'm not gonna get in trouble for saying that. I think it's fine that I say tell you'all I'm doing it, but keep an eye out for that. And then when I'm not playing a dev on TV, I'm actually a dev in real life. You can find me on the social media, specifically Twitter and Instagram at queen code monkey. And you can find me my talks, other technical content that I do related to Android development. And Kotlin on my website, randomly typing.com

Jason Howell (01:39:35):
Right on. That's so exciting. You got to do another episode. That's amazing. And you can take what, what kind of podcast can we get on to, to take us to London every time we need to record an episode, like I'm I'm game for that. That sounds like that made pretty cool opportunity.

Adam Doud (01:39:51):
Geez. And, and may I just say, when you are the queen of branding, randomly typing and queen codem is, or just the, the, the best names ever so well, well

Adam Doud (01:40:00):
Done. I'm glad that you got that. I'm glad that you got that very much. So I appreciate that. Or cuz like, you know, the whole, what is it? Is it like dang it, I name my website after it, like it's something about like if a monkey was typing, randomly typing for an amount of time, they're mostly surely going to like write Shakespeare or something. The works

Adam Doud (01:40:19):
Of Shakespeare. Yeah.

Adam Doud (01:40:20):
The works of Shakespeare or something like that. So yeah, but thank you. <Laugh> I, I definitely like the name of your podcast without a, was it without a doubt, without a

Adam Doud (01:40:29):
Doubt. Close enough benefit of the doubt, but

Adam Doud (01:40:31):
Yeah. Benefit of the doubt. Oh, well without a doubt, you should listen to benefit of the do.

Jason Howell (01:40:35):
There you go. That's with a D and without a T, there we go. Oh, I ready.

Adam Doud (01:40:40):
Hey yo.

Jason Howell (01:40:41):
Hey,

Adam Doud (01:40:42):
And that's my co-producer cliff. Anyway. <laugh>

Jason Howell (01:40:45):
Big, thanks to Victor for pushing all the buttons. Occasionally talking on the show, making things happen behind the scenes also, thanks to Burke who was pushing the buttons at the beginning. I don't understand how the, how this whole thing goes anymore. <Laugh> it's like Burke's there and then Victor's there. I, I kicked him out. They, they trade and stuff. So apparently they, you know, it's, both of them are required to, to switch this show. But you are both welcome to switch the show anytime you like. So thank you, Vic, Victor. Thank you, Burke for everything you do. Find me on Twitter at Jason Howell. Also doing tech news weekly every Thursday with mic Sergeant. If you go to twi.tv/tnw, then you can find that show there, and don't forget club TWiT. This is our subscription based service ad free service.

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