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Ask The Tech Guys Episode 1962 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
Hi, I'm Leo Laporte. It's time for Ask the Tech Guys. I've got a brand new phone. This is the Samsung Galaxy S 23 Ultra. I took some pictures yesterday, I'll show you those.

Mikah Sargent (00:00:09):
And I'm Mikah Sargent. Can you believe I'm going to answer a printer question? Better

Leo Laporte (00:00:14):
You than me, Mikah. Plus, we're gonna celebrate the 17th anniversary of the Giz Wiz, and we've got a visitor from down south. It's all next, on ask the tech guys podcasts you love from people

Mikah Sargent (00:00:30):
You trust.

Leo Laporte (00:00:32):
This is is TWI tweet.

This is Ask the Tech Guys with Mikah Sargent and Leo LePort. Episode 1962, reported Sunday, February 19th, 2023. A bottle cap balloon brigade. This episode of Ask the Tech Guys is brought to you by ACI Learning. Tech is one industry where opportunities outpace growth, especially in cybersecurity. One third of information security jobs require a cybersecurity cert. So maintain your competitive edge across audit it and cybersecurity readiness by visiting And by eight, sleep good. Sleep is the ultimate game changer, and the pod cover is the ultimate sleep machine. Go to eight to check out the pod cover and save $150 at checkout eight. Sleep. Currently ships within the usa, Canada, the UK Select countries in the EU and Australia. Thanks for listening to this show. As an ad supported network, we are always looking for new partners with products and services that will benefit our qualified audience. Are you ready to grow your business? Reach out to advertise at quit tv and launch your campaign now. Well, hey, hey, hey. How are you? It's time for Ask the Tech guys. I'm Leo Laporte on the left side, right side of your screen.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:00):
And I'm Mikah Sargent on the left side of

Leo Laporte (00:02:02):
The screen. It's hard because it's the opposite for us. Yes. Should we put this in mirror mode and then it would be 41 11? I don't wanna

Mikah Sargent (00:02:09):
Add any more complexity.

Leo Laporte (00:02:11):

Mikah Sargent (00:02:12):
I was just asking for trouble. How are

Leo Laporte (00:02:14):
You? Everybody? Good to see you. I hope you had a good Valentine's Day. You haven't been sleeping on the couch <laugh> that you've had a, the turning a little bit, at least in our little neck of the woods. The cherry blossoms are in bloom, which is beautiful. It's very pretty. And I have a lot of pretty pictures to show you because in just a few minutes I am gonna review. No, that's the iPhone. That's a different, it's sometimes hard to tell, isn't it? That's the iPhone promax. And this is the brand new, you could tell by the number of holes.

Mikah Sargent (00:02:43):
Yeah, it's got a lot of holes.

Leo Laporte (00:02:45):
Brand new Samsung Galaxy S 23 Ultra. I've only had it for a day, but I took a bunch of pictures yesterday at the beach. And so I'll show you. I'll, I I did some pictures with both phones. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> to give you an idea of the differences. Otherwise, I mean, I think they're both excellent phones for if you've got more than a thousand bucks to spend. So we'll talk about that a little bit. Chris Marwar is coming up. He's got a new photo assignment. We'll do a review of the pictures you took from his last photo assignment. We are gonna celebrate a big anniversary with Dick d Bartolo, Mads Mad writer. And we have, I can't show it to you. I can't show it to you. Black cover. We have the new Mad Magazine in-house. We'll show you that at the time. I just got this in the mail. I'm so excited. So I bought something on Amazon. We cover up the QR code. I bought something on Amazon and I got this letter from the people. I bought it from Dear Valued Customer. Thank you for purchasing the thing. I won't say what it is on Amazon. We hope the product's working well for you. Here is a $30 Amazon gift card. What for leaving us a positive review. That's of course Amazon forbids it.

Mikah Sargent (00:03:54):
Yes. That

Leo Laporte (00:03:54):
Is No, they even say whatever you do, don't post this letter in your ref review. I'm tearing it up and I'm gonna be gentlemen, not name names, but

Mikah Sargent (00:04:03):
It's a bad move. That's

Leo Laporte (00:04:04):

Mikah Sargent (00:04:05):
I, one time I, the same thing happened and the mail, the mail piece actually got lost. And so I didn't know what it was at first. But I had looked through and I saw that something was supposed to be coming. I found the address from once it came, and I kid you not, it was just a plain dirt patch in the middle of Missouri somewhere. <Laugh>. And so they had purchased this dirt patch in the middle of Missouri to send it in the mail

Leo Laporte (00:04:30):
Because they Well, they don't wanna get caught. Exactly. Right. Probably a Chinese company. Yeah. hey, other big breaking news. It's pretty exciting. For the longest time when Apple came out with Apple silicon they turned off bootcamp. That thing that really was kind of cool on Mac, where you could partition your drive. It did it all automatically install Windows and a Mac could be a dual boot, Mac and Windows machine. And Apple had to do that because frankly, there was a small percentage of the desktop. Most people wanted to run Windows at the time. Walt Mossberg, the tech columnist at the time for the Wall Street Journal, said The MacBook is the best Windows machine you can buy. <Laugh>. it wa it was a pretty good Windows machine. Lot of people were upset because sometimes we have to run Windows, don't we to do our work?

Or maybe we wanna play a game or whatever. That bootcamp was gone. Apple Apple's only response at the time was, well, if you wanna run Windows, you have to run it in virtualization. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> using one of the virtualization tools. Vmware Fusion or Parallels or One Box, which is a free open source. One, the problem was Microsoft, in order to run Windows on a Mac, you had to use Windows on arm. Microsoft's Windows on Arm was never official for the Macintosh. It was never official for Apple. Silicon. We think it's because they had a deal with Qualcomm that said Qualcomm exclusive. So you could get a Windows on arm machine running on Qualcomm, but it was always a beta version of Windows on Arm for the Mac. Well, this week, in fact, it was, I think yesterday or the day before 16th of February, Microsoft said it's official. You can now run Windows on Arm, officially not a beta version, using Parallels, which is one of the virtualization solutions on an Apple with Apple silicon. So

Mikah Sargent (00:06:22):
Parallels is happy then, cuz they got

Leo Laporte (00:06:23):
This. Yeah. This is the Parallels press release. Oh, but I think VMware, I'm sure will be approved and others will be approved. But for right now, that's what you could do. Now, I parallels I've used for a long time and I had a Parallels account. So I thought, well, let's see, let's see how well Windows 11 runs on. This is an M two MacBook Air with 24 gigs of ramp. First thing that's kind of cool is when you launch it, it says, okay, now you have to download install windows. I thought I was gonna have to go out and get a copy of Windows 11. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But no, it downloads and you can install it. It's gonna take a couple of minutes to do this. Once it installs, it runs. Now a couple of negatives. First of all, you have to buy parallels and they have subscription or one, one time only.

 And it's gonna be a couple hundred bucks. Okay? Then you also ha depending on what you get, then you also have to buy Windows. Cuz Windows ain't free. You may think it's free cuz you get it free with your computer. People who had Windows seven and Windows eight and Windows 10 got Windows 11 for free. So there's this kind of impression, oh yeah, Microsoft, they don't wanna make any money on Windows. Oh, they do. And in fact, <laugh>, I had to buy a $200 license Whoof for Windows Unarm. But I wanted a licensed version. You could run it unlicensed. In fact, if you're curious, you can run a trial version of Parallels and you can run a trial version of Windows and, and get a sense of it. But I thought, let's do this for real. It's still downloading, you know, something. I'd already done this yesterday and was, or the day before, and was playing with Windows and it was running great. I installed some stuff and I wanted to show you some features. And for some reason today it says you don't have Windows. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So I don't know if something got messed up or whatever, but that's why I'm downloading Windows again. We'll continue that and in a bit, once it's done, I will show you Windows running on a Apple silicone. I'll kind of tip my hand though on this. It runs really well.

Mikah Sargent (00:08:14):

Leo Laporte (00:08:14):
Exciting. It's, it's actually very snappy. So I think it's a good choice for everybody except maybe hardcore gamers. I wouldn't necessarily recommend a gaming on it, but if you need to run a Windows app on you and you want, but you want a Macintosh, the only way to have Mac Os is to have a Macintosh. But you can get Windows on it now

Mikah Sargent (00:08:33):
Officially, because in this, in this way, you are running it virtually. Right? It's not rebooting and No,

Leo Laporte (00:08:39):
It is, it's running virtually. And the nice thing is yes. As you, yes, I should say yes now. No. Okay. Yes. Got it. The nice thing is, and I'll show you this, something called Coherence mode that lets you run a Windows app right next to a Mac app in a window, just like it's a Mac app. So can run Windows full screen, but you can also run it as a little macapp, huh? Which is, which is pretty cool. Let's see, what else is new White Castle? Ooh,

Mikah Sargent (00:09:04):
This is fascinating.

Leo Laporte (00:09:06):
Ooh. So Illinois has had for a long time now a law restricting the use of biometrics in business. You can't take somebody's fingerprint. In fact, they, they successfully sued and won hundreds of millions of dollars against Facebook because Facebook was using, you know how Facebook says, well, you know, identify this person and now we'll find 'em in the other pictures. Illinois says, no, you can't do that. And they find they find Facebook a lot of money. Well, now <laugh> a an Illinois Supreme Court on Friday issued an opinion that opens up White Castle to potentially billions in fines as much as 17 billion in fines. White Castle has been scanning the fingerprints of all 9,500 employees without their consent. You have to scan, if you work at White Castle, you know this, you scan your fingerprint to get your paycheck, you scan your fingerprint to check to instead of a, you know, punch card. Remember how they used to go? You punch the card in the time clock. You ever have a time clock? You never have to. No,

Mikah Sargent (00:10:10):
No, but I know, I know what it Yes, I know. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:10:12):
You're too young. They don't have time clocks. I don't think anymore. Maybe they do

Mikah Sargent (00:10:15):
Some places, I'm sure. Yeah, there's somebody somewhere who's like, I will always have a time clock in my business cuz it's the way we used to do things the way we'll continue to do things. I have a question though. How does one scan someone's fingerprint without their consent? If I put my fingerprint on a fingerprint reader,

Leo Laporte (00:10:35):
Is that you kind of know you're doing

Mikah Sargent (00:10:36):
It. He's not of self consent, are they? So they're like, they hand you your paycheck with the little scanner underneath and so then you grab it and you don't realize your fingerprint's being scanned. I, this feels kind of like some strange wording. Well, if

Leo Laporte (00:10:49):
Here's the thing going on here. Yeah. Obviously in a way you're, but this is important. Just because you know that your face is being collected, your fingerprints, that's not necessarily consent. And in order to get their paycheck or access the employee records, they had to scan their fingerprint. In any event, the court said no. Yeah, you can't do that. Now. There's gonna be a trial. I think there's gonna be a trial. The case isn't over. As the justice is noted in their analysis, this is from the register. The presiding judge could f choose what the damages are. The plaintiffs, the employees of White Castle say, we, we want White Castle to be fa fined for every single time they took our fingerprint. The fine is between one and $5,000 per infraction. And they're saying we interpret the infraction is every single time we were forced to put our finger on that thing, we want one to $5,000, which could be up to 17 billion. Frankly, that I think that put, I don't think you make that much money on sliders.

Mikah Sargent (00:11:45):
Yeah, I was gonna say

Leo Laporte (00:11:46):
That. I think that put White Castle lot of business,

Mikah Sargent (00:11:47):
That'd be very bad.

Leo Laporte (00:11:48):
Which just sad because I like the, I like a slider. A good, slider's delicious. But the judge would have the authority to <laugh> maybe lower that a little bit. You don't wanna put a company outta business meta paid though 650 million to settle a lawsuit for something similar for that face recognition. So that is we'll watch that. That is a story of great interest. I, it's only Illinois. They've had this lesson since 2008. But I wonder, I mean, that's a really good question. When you go to Disneyland and they take your, and maybe they have a sign mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, I know when you come into the US there's a sign now that says your face is gonna be scanned.

Mikah Sargent (00:12:27):
And in a lot of places when you go, say for example, you are going to ces, they talk about how, you know, the second you walk on the show floor, you may be filmed, you may have your, your whole Facebook.

Leo Laporte (00:12:39):
Does that let you off the hook? The question? Yeah. And, and, and of course, at Madison Square Garden <laugh>, if you're a lawyer that is working for a law firm that is in any way suing Yep. M Mss g you will not be able to go see a Rangers game. So and, and by the way, they're now opening the big dome in Las Vegas. The M MSG dome in Las Vegas. U2 is gonna do a residency there. And James Dolan, the guy who runs Madison Square Garden and the Dolan family owns msg, says, I'm in charge now. So I suspect if you're an attorney suing sg don't expect to see U2 either. One last story. I see, let me see if Windows is still is still doing its thing. Oh, something's happened. Oh, oh, look at that. Oh, look at that. There's that famous spinning Thingamajigger <laugh> just a moment. Says Windows. So what, you know, what's cool is that you, when you stall parallels, it then says, okay, do you wanna install Windows? And it downloads it and installs it for you. And that's what's happening right now. And it's running the Windows installation, which is pretty cool. I'll run through this while we talk about our our last story. Remember the balloon?

Mikah Sargent (00:13:47):
I do remember the balloon. We've been shooting down lots of things.

Leo Laporte (00:13:50):
So there was the Chinese balloon. We shot it. They got everything, by the way. So I, I, I hope to some degree that the FBI tells us what, what was in that balloon? We're pretty sure that one came from China. Now they're saying those three other objects they shot one, a couple were in the what? There was one in Alaska and one in the Yukon. They can't get, they can't find those <laugh>. Oh, they can't find 'em. Oh no, they can't find them. But we may know what they are because there's a, a little club <laugh>, they call it. They name the name of the club comes from the name of, did you ever see up? Yes. The bottle cap balloon. The Northern Illinois Bottle cap Balloon Brigade.

Mikah Sargent (00:14:31):
That's a

Leo Laporte (00:14:31):
Lot. Comes from the, the the Up movie. They've been for years. They've been putting little mi they're basically party balloons. Those, my alarm balloons up with GPS and stuff

Mikah Sargent (00:14:40):
To do what?

Leo Laporte (00:14:41):
Just for fun. They're hobbyists. Okay. They've, they launched one not so long ago. That has actually been around the world seven times now. Whoa. Cause it gets the jet stream and it just goes around and around and around. The radio call sign is K nine y o dash 15. The the bottle cap Club says it's missing in action. It disappeared on February 10th. Oh, no. The same exact day. Coincidentally, the US defense officials detected a high altitude airborne object over US airspace in Alaska and shot it down. Two F 22 fa Raptors were, were deployed. Th this 334 million aircraft, two of them cost $70,000 an hour for them to fly the shot it down with a $400,000 side winder missile. These balloons cost about a hundred bucks. <Laugh>. They're Mylar party balloons. And the club says, you know, we don't, we haven't, we haven't got confirmation from the F B I, but an atmospheric stratospheric balloon consultant told NPR r Dan Bowen, he's 98% certain it's the same balloon.

Hmm. Okay. It was on its way to Alaska. It disappeared that day. <Laugh>. so, hey, good news. It only cost us, you know, I don't know, half a million. I don't know. But we got it. We got it. And by the way, these balloons, they're yay big. And it's kind of cool what they do. They, they talk, the NPR talked to the, the comp, the, the group that shoots these, these up fires these up, whatever. No, they let it go. It's a balloon <laugh>. And it goes high enough that it stabilizes the pressure. They said. But because of that, those Mylar balloons, which are tough at ground level, are actually pretty tender when they get up into the stratosphere there. And they're not, the FAA has approved them. They're not a hazard to air traffic because <laugh>, he said even the jet wash would pop it.

It's not <laugh>. It's, it's not a very, it's not gonna herd a plane. Right. So fact, you could have just red it. If they've flown the F 22 next to it, it would've been done. <Laugh>. Yeah. Anyway, so the Northern Illinois bottle cap balloon brigades balloon is Mia a was launched in the fall, had been around the earth, I'm sorry, six times. Wow. 123 days aloft. The club's not too verklempt because they, this happens all the time to their balloons. So also, it's kind of cool if that is what happened, you know. Well, it's not ha it doesn't happen. They aren't shot down <laugh> by by F 22 aircraft all the time. Exactly. That's not, that's a, that was the first time. Yeah, first time. Now they've got that on their list. Yeah, maybe. So let's see, windows has been installed successfully. That was fast. Yeah, it was pretty quick.

Downloading everything. Let's go to full screen. Let's close this. This is, guess what? Microsoft Edge is that Edge? Edge? Yeah, of course it is <laugh>. Oh, well, let me go back. What did I do? I closed edge. Let me where'd Windows go? Vendors, where'd Windows go? You close Edge Windows goes go away. There it is. There's a little icon on the desktop. Ah, let me go full screen. Look at right here. Yeah. Now I wanna show you. Oh, I see what happened. Is it is it, is it moved somewhere else? Where is it? Where's my windows? Windows, windows. Come back

Mikah Sargent (00:18:11):
Here. I've actually never seen that fourth button that you're hitting. Usually it's only three. So I don't know what that fourth,

Leo Laporte (00:18:16):
Oh, that's the coherence mode. Oh, thank you for telling me that. I was hitting the wrong button. Got

Mikah Sargent (00:18:20):

Leo Laporte (00:18:21):
That's what it is. So now I'm on a Mac, windows 11 cannot be found. Why does it keep saying, I don't know. I am on Windows. It can be found. I just found it. It's like that balloon. So the, and by the way, look, there's a start menu. It's all of the stuff. It's the whole thing. It's the whole thing. But this is the cool thing. I'm gonna show you. Let's launch an app. By the way, the Mackey becomes the Windows key. Let me launch oh, I don't know. Clip Champ, video editor. How about that? So this is a video editor that's only available in Windows. I'm not sure why it is

Mikah Sargent (00:18:55):
There. It's is this still unlicensed

Leo Laporte (00:18:56):
That you're using? Well, I licensed it before, so probably it's gonna be licensed. You just found it. Yeah. Yeah. But we'll see if not. I this site is trying to, because it's a brand new thing, I have to do all the things you would do with a brand new version of Windows because it's running an emulation. It thinks it's on a wired network, even though it's on wifi right now. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, because the, that's what happens. The but the ba you see the battery level is accurate. The time and everything, the location, all of that is accurate. This is, this is just like, I'm running Windows on the hardware, but it's not, I'm running it in emulation. So I've got Clip Champ here. Whoops. There's the store. Let's see what's going on with the store. Oh, wants to update. I'm sorry cuz I had this all updated and ready to go. And then for some reason it decided, no, you need a new, I can't find it in honor

Mikah Sargent (00:19:45):
Of Mary Jo. We could do Notepad,

Leo Laporte (00:19:47):
Right? Oh yeah. How about that Notepad? Everybody needs a little notepad in Windows, don't you? Because without Notepad. Let's Max don't have Notepad. This <laugh> is Notepad. So this is one of the things that is really cool, because some people will say, well, I'd like to run Windows and I'd like to run Max side by side. Yeah. But sometimes you might say I'd like to run a Windows app and we call this coherence mode, where now I'm running a Mac and I'm running Notepad and I can launch you know, a Mac app right next to it. Let's text it. Let's, let's open. Yeah, let's open notes. Now I have notes and recipe for Lemon Drop in case anybody wants one. And and Notepad right next to each other. Wow. And I can even cut and paste. So let's say I really in my windows, I need a drink. I can put that right in here. Must

Mikah Sargent (00:20:43):
Be patched Tuesday so you can,

Leo Laporte (00:20:44):
Yeah. So this is called Coherence Mode. We are running a Windows app

Mikah Sargent (00:20:49):
That is really

Leo Laporte (00:20:50):
Cool inside a Macintosh side by side, just like a window. So this is pretty amazing. I would say you could run some games. You could run you know more casual games like Solitaire Mind, sweeper <laugh>. No, but you could run some games. Candy Crush. But I wouldn't try to run AAA titles under this. You know what though? That's what I'll do when I go

Mikah Sargent (00:21:11):
Home. You should try it. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:21:12):
I will try to run a AAA title under this. It works really well because Apple silicon has a virtualization mode that parallels can use so that you're running it almost, you're not quite on the bare metal, but you're so close. The virtualization is very thin. And and that's modern virtualization. That's, that's why you see containers and so forth.

Mikah Sargent (00:21:33):
Can we see Microsoft Paint on windows? The reason I ask is it's

Leo Laporte (00:21:37):
What? Masochist,

Mikah Sargent (00:21:37):
It's got a little bit more graphics to it. I'm kind of curious. Oh, that's true.

Leo Laporte (00:21:40):
Curious about, we, we are also, by the way, and I'll, I'll go back I'll go back full screen on on Windows

Mikah Sargent (00:21:45):
Superior Track Pad on the Mac, you know, using that. With that,

Leo Laporte (00:21:48):
Let's go back to full screen. So that looks like a real Windows. We also, you notice, have access to the file system and there's even a folder for the Mac files. So you see, I'm actually seeing these Mac files inside Windows, but then I also have my own Windows file structure. So when I say save in that notepad, it's gonna save it locally in this PC documents in traditional windows location. So that, that all of that is, I think, pretty cool. You wanna see paint? You're a crazy man. <Laugh>. You're a crazy man. Don't save. Let's go paint. Oops. That was a Mac command. Did you see I did that by accident. Okay, I see. I did command space for Spotlight. Let's do the Windows command, which is just the Windows key in this case. The command key paint. Let's open Microsoft Paint. There it is. You want me to draw something? Yeah,

Mikah Sargent (00:22:39):
Let's draw. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:22:42):
I'm such a good artist.

Mikah Sargent (00:22:43):
Do you feel any

Leo Laporte (00:22:44):
I I'm, I'm lovely. Anything? No, no. Oh, that's a good question. Lag? No.

Mikah Sargent (00:22:50):

Leo Laporte (00:22:50):
Because I mean, it's, I've always felts amazing

Mikah Sargent (00:22:52):
That the, even with the, the Microsoft surface, the track pad is still subpar in co Compare it's good. But in comparison to what you get with the Mac I would rather use the, you know, the Mac track pad. So it's nice that

Leo Laporte (00:23:08):
Even in coherence mode, it's working. Yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty snappy. So this is Paint, Microsoft Windows paint running side by side with Apple Notes and it works. That's

Mikah Sargent (00:23:19):

Leo Laporte (00:23:20):
It works. It's pretty cool. Our phone number if, as if you will, <laugh> is Zoom, but you could do this on your phone. Just go to your browser call, do, call TWI tv. Zoom will launch, and we will take some calls. We also have, as I said, Dick de Bartolo coming up. Let's do a call now and then get Dickie D on and then that's great. Then Chris, mark Warz coming up and we have some, I think three count 'em, count 'em three video calls from email. If you, if you're shy and you want to call or you wanna ask a question, but you don't wanna call, you can always use the email, which is ask the tech So Ryan had his, has had his hand up since before the show began. So I'm gonna bring Ryan in and we are gonna say hello to Ryan as our first call of the day. Yeah, the blue. Thank you for noticing that. I was clicking the fourth button in. That's the coherence button. Not <laugh>. Not the, not like Zoom.

Mikah Sargent (00:24:28):
Maximize. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:24:28):
Yeah. Did we lose, is Ryan is is Ryan gone? I think, I think we lost him.

Mikah Sargent (00:24:35):
Oh, I heard something just

Leo Laporte (00:24:36):
Then. Are you there?

Caller 1 (00:24:37):
I'm here. Can you hear me?

Leo Laporte (00:24:38):
Yay. Yay. Yay. Woo. Poor. Ryan's been sitting there for half an hour waiting for us as we fu fur around. Hi, Ry.

Caller 1 (00:24:46):
Hey, how you doing?

Leo Laporte (00:24:47):
Great. Where are you calling from?

Caller 1 (00:24:49):
Sacramento, California. I

Leo Laporte (00:24:50):
Know that area. Oh, I know that. Yeah.

Caller 1 (00:24:52):
Yeah. I actually came out and saw you back in the, the news screensaver days.

Leo Laporte (00:24:57):

Caller 1 (00:24:57):
Had a good time.

Leo Laporte (00:24:58):
Fun. Yeah. By the way, you looks like the, on the computer behind you, you've passed. So congratulations.

Caller 1 (00:25:04):
Yeah. The mem test passed.

Leo Laporte (00:25:06):
<Laugh>. I always like seeing that. <Laugh>, what can we do for you, Ryan

Caller 1 (00:25:12):
<Laugh>? Well, first of all, I wanted to thank you. You, you recommended I many years ago, and I've used that many times for myself and for my customers. I actually own a small computer repair business here in Sacramento. Nice. And also fast mail. I started using fast mail, Woohoo. For one of sponsor email. One of my

Leo Laporte (00:25:33):
Domain names. I've been recommending it for years, but I can now say our sponsor, so That's great.

Caller 1 (00:25:37):
Yeah, they're great. Been really happy with that.

Leo Laporte (00:25:40):

Caller 1 (00:25:41):
So I actually have, I have two different questions. I guess I'll let you guys decide which one you want to ha ha handle. One is about OneDrive and how to disable it. And the other one is

Leo Laporte (00:25:53):
<Laugh> is <laugh>,

Caller 1 (00:25:55):
Or the other one is a really strange arrow slash brother printer issue that I can't seem to figure out.

Mikah Sargent (00:26:01):
Oh, that might be right up. Cuz I've got Arrow and a brother printer. So,

Caller 1 (00:26:07):
So yeah. So I have a customer and he has an, an older brother printer, and they have Macintosh's and iPhones in the house. And of course I have 'em set up with the Arrow system. They got that spread throughout and it's working great. We currently have the brother printer ethernet into the, the main arrow base station. So it's on the network through ethernet cable. Okay. But the problem we're running into is that the printer will just randomly at all times of the day, maybe once or twice a day, spit out a page with just a little bit of gibberish and nothing else. And it's not him or his wife trying to print anything. It seems to be completely random in just a bunch of gibberish.

Mikah Sargent (00:26:51):
Huh. Wow. So it's, it's like, it's trying to talk

Caller 1 (00:26:54):
<Laugh>. Yeah. And you know, as far as we know, we've checked the Arrow app. There's no, you know, rogue devices or road neighbors on the network mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. and so for now we've just turned off the printer because it's, you know, it's not wasting a lot of ink, but it's wasting paper.

Mikah Sargent (00:27:11):
Yeah. A couple of questions here. Firstly does this older brother printer also support wifi direct or have a built-in server that someone could access it through that, through that means, is it just ethernet or SB or does it also have wireless functionality?

Caller 1 (00:27:28):
It does have wireless functionality. And when I first went over there, he had the wifi on and connected to the arrows, and it was also hardwired. And it was, he was having issues where sometimes stuff wouldn't print and sometimes it would, so we decided to disable the wifi and just use the ethernet. So as far as I know, the printer is not on wifi. It's actually turned off inside the, the printer.

Mikah Sargent (00:27:56):
So I have had an issue specifically with my brother printer in the past where I would go to print something and it would seem like it was getting passed to the brother printer, and then it would just stole. And I, you know, to this day never figured out what exactly had caused that issue. But it just kind of went away after a while. I would imagine that the person is keeping their firmware up to date, probably visiting their printer via the IP address, going to the, the, the actual printer itself and the settings there. The only,

Caller 1 (00:28:32):
That's actually good. That's a good point because I checked for the firmware update on the printer itself, and it said it was up to date, but I didn't try going through the web interface. So that's a, that's a good idea.

Mikah Sargent (00:28:44):
Okay. That's good to, good to know. Because yeah, that would be one of the first things that's worth checking out is, you know, figuring out what IP address it has go to its online server and make sure that it's up to date there. Okay. And also that there's not some other, I mean, there you'll be able to see if there are still some connections that are possibly okay. Stuck. And there may even be settings to completely reset the principle. You know, there, there are a lot of different options there. My only other suggestion and I solved a friend's issue this way while when you plug in a printer with a Mac and Mac goes and finds the proper connection, it isn't using necessarily the most up to date drivers. It's kind of looking for a common denominator. And so I have gone into Apple's support documentation in the past, and we'll include a link in the show notes.

I'll get it passed over to John, our producer. There is a page that I have saved for brother printer drivers from Apple, and then a page that I have saved for, there was another printer that I used to have, and I would go and get those anytime I started a new system. And what that provided was a little bit more access for control via the Mac than I would've had otherwise. So that could also be another way to look at that principle, see what is in line to be printed and see if there's something that's popping up from somewhere that's trying to get you know, printed out.

Caller 1 (00:30:22):
Okay. That's two good ideas. Thank you very much.

Leo Laporte (00:30:25):
As for OneDrive, I, you know, Microsoft has gotten very aggressive when you use Windows and, and encouraging you <laugh> to use Microsoft Services. And now they, when you install Windows and installs, OneDrive immediately logs you into drive if fit that. If you don't log in, and this is probably why you wanna turn it off, it pesters you forever saying, you sure you know, OneDrive, it's great. I do, I actually turn it on because and if you have an office subscription, for instance, I get a terabyte of storage with OneDrive. So I let it in effect be a backup for my Windows set up. And then, then whenever I, you know, as I just did set up a new Windows, I have all that stuff, which is kind of handy. If you don't want it though, it's easy. You unlink that pc.

So go into your go into a OneDrive on the, on the web and you'll see all the PCs that are linked. This is probably the best way to do it. Rather than uninstalling OneDrive or attempting to turn off somehow just say to that in the settings, this pc no, no OneDrive, unlinked. And at that point, OneDrive will just stop bugging you and and you won't see OneDrive anymore. Not pc, as I said, I I like it, I leave it on, but it's not by any means a requirement just by one. Microsoft might want you to think you don't have to have it. Yeah, yeah.

Caller 1 (00:31:42):
Well, and I, I like it too, but I don't want it to take over the desktop and documents and pictures.

Leo Laporte (00:31:47):
Well, that's really annoying. And Apple does that too now. Yeah. And I think the reason they do that is because they are tired of getting calls from people saying, I lost all my data. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and a normal naive user, none of you, but a normal naive user you know, doesn't back up. Right. And so this way it's basically backup without you knowing it. Apple does the same thing unless you tell them not to. They'll store your documents and your desktop and your downloads I think on one iCloud and, and Microsoft does that by default for documents and the re and so, so that's the, that's the good reason for doing it. People don't back up. We're gonna back up for you. The bad reason is you quickly fill up your free right. Onedrive or iCloud and then they can say, Hey, you know, you might want to buy some more of this. So it's a, it's a profit deal. Yeah, I So if you don't want, let me think about this. If you don't want OneDrive to back up, you don't want to turn off OneDrive. You just don't want it to back up those, those folders. Is that right?

Caller 1 (00:32:53):
Yeah, and I've done the unlink from the OneDrive app, you know, down in the system tray. Yeah. Did you mention to unlink it through the website? Well, you

Leo Laporte (00:33:02):
Could do it in the system tray too. I if you, it just depends whether you installed it or not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you Yeah. Unlink it in the system tray. Yeah.

Caller 1 (00:33:08):
My experience was I unlinked it and then, you know, some Windows updates took place. So the next thing you know, and my and my customers would get confused, they'd say, you know, why is my desktop now different? Oh, basically OneDrive had taken back over and it's funny you say Microsoft has been more aggressive cuz that's exactly what I tell people. And I don't know what's past aggressive, but I feel like Microsoft is already there. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:33:36):
Yeah. They yeah. It's, it's actually a problem for me because a lot of people need to use Windows. Your customers want to use Windows probably in their businesses and stuff, but it's hard for me to recommend Windows for this reason. And I even Paul Throt, who's the host of Windows Weekly is starting to get really tired of the incessant needling from Microsoft to install paid Microsoft services and things. It's like, don't you guys make enough money? <Laugh>? Why do you, why do you garbage up windows with that? So I'm trying to remember how to turn this off. Is it in settings? Can you turn it off? Wonder if settings

Caller 1 (00:34:19):
Well that's the other thing. The interface has changed recently. It

Leo Laporte (00:34:22):
Sure has it. <Laugh>, I don't recognize this at all.

Caller 1 (00:34:26):
<Laugh>. Yeah. It, even in using Windows 11, I've noticed that, you know, you go in there and, and you can unlink it pretty easily, but then like I said, it gets relined and then the next time I go in it looks a little different. So I understand they're, you know, updating things, but for some people that just absolutely Oh yeah. Want use it. Oh yeah. I just uninstalled it. But you know, myself, I actually use OneDrive, you know, to share large files with vendors or other folks. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:34:52):
You don't want to take it, turn it off. You just don't want it to do what it's doing, which is backing up these critical folders. And it's the same thing on the Macintosh and, and frankly the Macintosh, if you're, if when you, when you set up a new Mac, if you're not quick Yeah. It will turn it on. And so you have to know, as I install, there's gonna be a point where it says, do you want, Hey, do you want us to store that? And, and you gotta uncheck that. I suspect there's gotta be, unless Microsoft has really become predatory, there's gotta be a way to say to it. Don't let me lemme see if the chat room has any or the Discord

Caller 1 (00:35:29):
Has any, yeah. So I've done the unlink and then I've told it, you know, don't start when Windows starts. So that way it's just, you know, off Yeah. By default. But on a couple occasions it turns

Leo Laporte (00:35:39):
It back on. It's the problem

Caller 1 (00:35:41):

Leo Laporte (00:35:41):
Up. Yeah. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:35:42):
I wonder if there's a registry switch that can be flipped.

Leo Laporte (00:35:46):
So, I mean, Steve Gibson has a program, but I don't recommend it <laugh> that will prevent updates from happening. Right. and it's, it is, there's I think three or four registry keys he modifies. So yeah, there is probably a registry key there is for everything. Let me, is

Caller 1 (00:36:05):
That the GRC in control? In

Leo Laporte (00:36:07):
Control? Yeah. Yeah. I don't recommend it because you're not gonna get any updates. Right. You don't want that either. Although he does talk in it. If you read on his website about in control, he'll tell you what the registry settings he's modifying are. And that might be helpful cuz you want critical updates, but you don't necessarily want feature updates. I believe actually in Control lives you that choice Right on the screen there. Yeah. Cause you still want critical updates. You don't want feature updates. The question is, are are the critical updates gonna turn this stuff on again, Microsoft?

Caller 1 (00:36:39):
Yeah. I've, I've used, I've used in control several times on some mission critical PCs that I support where we need them to stay on Windows 10 because they, they do a specific task. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:36:51):
That's important. So do you wanna turn them off?

Caller 1 (00:36:52):
And I've noticed, yeah. Yeah. And I've noticed that the, the important updates still come through on those, but they don't bug you about the feature

Leo Laporte (00:36:59):
Updates. Yeah. I think that was his main intent was, you know, he's a security guy, he's not gonna, he wants the critical updates to come through. It's the, it's the feature updates that are so annoying. Things like pushing you to Windows 11 that maybe there's some information in there that could be helpful. Anybody in our discord or in a chat have a solution for telling. We don't want, we don't wanna turn off OneDrive even. Let's let's keep it on. But telling it, please don't back up my documents in those other folders. That's really what we want to do. No one is yet. Well, I'd rather stepping forward

Mikah Sargent (00:37:33):
With this. Do that and save that setting because there is a way I was just reading about it too. Tell it not to, but it keeps going back is

Leo Laporte (00:37:41):
The problem. Okay. There it is. Thank you. Cop king, cop King's very good on this stuff. Right. Click the OneDrive icon in the system tray, click on settings, you've done that. Manage backup is the setting you want. And then there are toggles for desktop documents and pictures.

Caller 1 (00:37:55):

Leo Laporte (00:37:55):
And now I, I don't cop King. Is this gonna turn on again? Next update. Maybe. Microsoft's very been very aggressive about that. And again, that's another thing Paul has railed against. Well one of the problems, I think this is, this goes back to Cory, Dr. Rose's in certification problem. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, he wrote a good piece, I can't say the actual name cause it's, it's pro, it's course, it's course in certification is my version of it. The good place version of it. He notes that most tech companies go through this cycle where the first thing they do when they're building an audience is customer first. Amazon's a good example customer first. Then once they've built an audience, businesses first we built the marketplace, right? Get the businesses. But once they got customers and businesses locked in as Microsoft does, then that third step is profit.

And how do we mine those that, that customers and those businesses to maximize profit? We're no longer focused on what the user wants. And it's really clear that Microsoft ha I mean it's, it's almost two-faced. They, they, they care about the user, but they, but they don't care enough about the user not to maximize profits. And that this is an example of maximizing profits, in my opinion, you know, under the guise of caring about the user. So they're in that stage, late stage <laugh> tech company, capitalism. And of course what Cory Doctoral says is, this is inevitable and the only defense against it to make it easy to move to the next thing, you know, don't lock people in. If, if Twitter is starting to, you know, charge you eight bucks so that you have s m s two factor authentication, you can move mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. And as e the easier it is to move the, the better is for end users. Cuz there's always gonna be the next guy who wants to, you know, prioritize customers first. They're not ready to start cashing in on 'em. That's the be I'm sorry Ryan, that's the best I can move. No,

Caller 1 (00:39:50):
That's, no, that was good advice. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:39:53):
You know what, I think mostly this in, in this job, in this show is like, I feel your pain man. Yeah. <laugh>. Exactly. <laugh> we're all in to com commiserate with. Yeah. Yeah. We're, this is a commiseration show. Thanks

Caller 1 (00:40:05):
Ryan. Well I appreciate you guys. I think the new show is great and 

Leo Laporte (00:40:09):
Thank you. I love it that we have the time to, to spend, you know, 20 minutes with you talking about this cuz I

Caller 1 (00:40:14):
It's been great. And you know what? I've been meaning to join Club Twit for a while. I just haven't got around to it. So I'll take care of that right now.

Leo Laporte (00:40:20):
I'll charge you less than Elon <laugh>. I love supporting

Caller 1 (00:40:23):
You guys.

Leo Laporte (00:40:24):
Thank you. We <laugh> well take care,

Caller 1 (00:40:26):
Ron. And you know, as for that, that as for that Twitter issue all I did was instead of you know, joining the, the blue check, I just added Twitter to my Google Authenticator. Yeah. And so then that way I didn't have to pay

Leo Laporte (00:40:41):
SMS authe. It's weird because, so this is part of the news we didn't mention is that Elon has decided as part of his monetization strategy, that if you want phone backup SMS backup of your two factor, you're gonna have to pay the eight bucks for Twitter blue. But you can still use an authenticator. Well, no one should be using a phone. Exactly. I removed the phone backup phone s m s from Twitter a couple of years ago the minute I could. So no one should do that. I am gonna show you, Steve Gibson was talking about an authenticator program that he really likes. And I've started to move over to, this is two f a s too fast. And one of the things I like about it, I was using Oy for a long time because Oy saves it on their servers. So it's easy to move from phone to phone, which I do a lot of.

I just moved to a new phone, right. The Samsung. So two fas doesn't back up to its servers backs up to your servers to Google Drive or iCloud. So that way you can have a backup. It's easy to move to a new device or a new computer, but you're not giving anybody else those secrets. So I really, I really like it. Two fass and nice user interface. It's purdy and and it, and it's a very easy, you know, the only problem is it's such a pain in the butt to set up a new authenticator. That's a real, yeah. That's no fun at all. Hey, did you like that better than the Google Authenticator? Google Authenticator has gotten good because now you can have it saved to Google and, and use a new phone. So that's solved the biggest problem I have, which is that you had to rescan know, redo all your two FFA every phone. That's why I moved to Othe. Apparently Google Authenticator does that now. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. They're all doing the same. It's the same exact protocol. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So the numbers should be the same no matter what authenticator you're using. I just, this one Steve recommended it's open source. It's free. I like it. Two fas. It's a little, it's a little prettier. Google Authenticator. I got dark mode man. <Laugh>. Hey, thanks Ryan.

Dick DeBartolo (00:42:36):
Thanks so much.

Leo Laporte (00:42:37):
Hey, thanks guys. Have a great weekend. Have a great one. Take care. You too. Bye-Bye. Bye-bye. Look at this mad magazine. The April edition is out and today is a special day. Let's bring Dick b Bartolo into the magic circle. Woo. Hello. Dickie d Dickie

Dick DeBartolo (00:42:56):
D Oh, we can't hear you. Dickie d

Leo Laporte (00:43:00):
He likes to mute his microphone cuz he wants to eat Cheerios while he is waiting for us. And how many boxes of Cheerios has you been through while you've been waiting for us? We can hear you now Dick

Dick DeBartolo (00:43:09):
<Laugh>. Okay. It wasn't muted.

Leo Laporte (00:43:10):
It wasn't you. Hi.

Dick DeBartolo (00:43:11):
It was us. It was us. Oh God. Right. How quick you are to blame <laugh> a mad guy. Your Cheerios

Leo Laporte (00:43:20):
MAD's maddest writer. He's been running for Mad Magazine. Every issue for the last five decades. We're not gonna match that record, but we've been doing the GWiz and then now the Gizz fizz for almost as long. What's what anniversary We

Dick DeBartolo (00:43:36):
So for Yeah. Tomorrow. Tomorrow. We'll we will all have done our first Giw show 17 years ago. We did our first show years February 20th, 2006.

Leo Laporte (00:43:50):
I would show the video. But there was no video.

Dick DeBartolo (00:43:53):
No, there was no video. No, you used to you were up in the tower. The tower up in the A room. Yeah, we were

Leo Laporte (00:44:00):
On the phone in the attic. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (00:44:02):
<Laugh> In the Attic. Yes. In the attic.

Leo Laporte (00:44:04):
<Laugh>. So you I guess how long did we do it on the, on the, because it was, we did five daily shows. We did five shows a week and and I was exhausted <laugh> <laugh> and we, we had to give it up a few years ago. And you started doing with OMG Chad and you can do it weekly with Chad. Yes. Which is

Dick DeBartolo (00:44:25):
E Exactly. Better. Well we started Weekly on Twit too because you started getting a lot of shows and your editors going, why do we have to do five shows? Can't you do all five gadgets in one show? Yeah. Smart. So we started doing that. Smart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Leo Laporte (00:44:40):
Well I'm really honored to have known you all these years. You actually we met more than 20 years ago on tech tv. I've told this strip before. Yes. One of my producers you had, you had emailed us cuz you were, at the time you were doing live with Regis and Kathy Lee doing

Dick DeBartolo (00:44:57):
Sketches. Oh, actually I was on, on A Good Morning America

Leo Laporte (00:45:01):
Gma. That's right. You'd moved to

Dick DeBartolo (00:45:03):
G gma and they, they sent me out the San Francisco to cover the Gourmet Show and I emailed you and Martin Sargent. No

Leo Laporte (00:45:13):
Somebody like that.

Dick DeBartolo (00:45:14):
Who's the kind of crazy guy. Yeah. Anyway,

Leo Laporte (00:45:16):
Martin Sargent. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (00:45:17):
Yeah. I said, can I come in and and look at the show? And then someone called me and said, well you can look at the show but you think you would ever consider being on it. And I thought, <laugh> Well can I be on it for 20 years?

Leo Laporte (00:45:31):
Yeah. <laugh>. Literally. Yeah. Well no, at the time Martin didn't know who you were cuz he's a younger guy. Oh. And I said, Dick De Bartolo, Dick de Bartolo, the usual gang of idiots. Dick de Bartolo Mad Magazine. I was so excited cuz I grew up, you you formed my sense of humor. I grew up reading Mad Magazine. So now here we are Mad has gone through some changes. Unfortunately. The, the people, the evil people, the evil corporation. I'm saying it not Dick, the evil corporation that owns Mad Magazine shut down the Mad Madison Avenue offices some years ago and moved it out to California, got rid of everybody. Everybody's freelance now and they basically do a best of every month.

Dick DeBartolo (00:46:14):
Exactly. They do new covers as that cover is.

Leo Laporte (00:46:18):
Yeah, I like the cover. 

Dick DeBartolo (00:46:19):
That's cool. But then the what, what's in it?

Leo Laporte (00:46:22):
Can I show this? Sometimes you send us the Oh

Dick DeBartolo (00:46:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. It was released on Tuesday. Oh, okay. I I sometimes send it out ahead of time with a release. It's a bar, but it was released on Tuesday. It

Leo Laporte (00:46:32):
Well, it's a, it's a very appropriate one this time cuz it says Mad Takes Apart technology. But we noticed on the back a very funny ad that comes probably from what's the Atari era, right? So this would be Yes, April, 1983. I think that's what it says on the back. And it's, it's, it's E's finger coming down and touching the cartridge, the Atari cartridge for that horrible ET game. And it's got a price tag on it from an eBay seller, $49,999 and 99 cents. And he and ET says, oh, sh

Dick DeBartolo (00:47:10):

Leo Laporte (00:47:11):
But you know what Dick? I'll I'll give it to you for a mere $10,000.

Dick DeBartolo (00:47:16):
Oh my, oh my goodness.

Leo Laporte (00:47:19):
<Laugh> only $10,000 kids. I can't say it's sealed in the box, never been used, but it is in the box <laugh>. And it probably hasn't been used much since it was the world's worst game at the time. I think it also has the manual in it. Isn't this funny? That is so funny. In those days, they put manuals in the boxes. Yes. Tell,

Mikah Sargent (00:47:43):
Tell us a QR code, help

Leo Laporte (00:47:45):
Et get home. That was the, that was the whole premise. This was rushed because the movie was coming outta Christmas and they were, they wanted the game to come out at the same time. Whoa. Oh look, I

Mikah Sargent (00:47:55):
Didn't realize the game came out at the second time. Wasn't an after the

Leo Laporte (00:47:57):
Fact. It was, it was not ready. And it's famous. In fact, it was such a bad game. Atari yanked it and buried all the cartridges in Alamogordo in New Mexico. Oh,

Dick DeBartolo (00:48:08):
I remember the

Mikah Sargent (00:48:09):

Leo Laporte (00:48:09):
Game. But, but one of them survives. Remember this <laugh> <laugh>, you blow on the cartridge before you put

Dick DeBartolo (00:48:18):
Oh yes, yes,

Mikah Sargent (00:48:19):
Yes, yes. I remember doing that with the Nintendo 64 cartridges. And then I remember my uncle screaming at me from across the room, don't blow on the cartridge. You're getting moisture on it.

Leo Laporte (00:48:32):
<Laugh>, you're gonna

Dick DeBartolo (00:48:33):
Ruin it.

Mikah Sargent (00:48:34):
<Laugh>. And so from that point forward, I never blew on a cartridge ever again. We

Leo Laporte (00:48:38):
Should make a list of technology voodoo blowing on a cartridge. Shaking a Polaroid.

Mikah Sargent (00:48:45):
Yeah. Shake it to

Leo Laporte (00:48:46):
Polaroid. Yes. Things that people do to to get things working that really don't

Mikah Sargent (00:48:51):
Taping on microphone

Leo Laporte (00:48:52):
Tapping. That doesn't work. <Laugh>. That's the wrong thing to do. But

Dick DeBartolo (00:48:56):
You know what I I have to say, banging a printer sometimes <laugh> work with the old printers. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:49:04):
That's actually in the military manuals, they call it percussive maintenance.

Mikah Sargent (00:49:08):

Dick DeBartolo (00:49:08):
Did talk really?

Leo Laporte (00:49:09):
Bang, bang, bang. So dick, did you bring us a gadget or did you just want to pop

Dick DeBartolo (00:49:13):
In? I, I, I watch, I watch,

Leo Laporte (00:49:14):
Watch a couple of gadget. Okay. Okay. I don't wanna put you to work on this special day of all days, but if you want go ahead. No,

Dick DeBartolo (00:49:21):
No. Yeah. Okay. So that there is a show in Chicago opening next month called Inspired Home. It used to be the houseware show. Now they made it the inspired home show and it's has a lot, a lot, big variety of gadgets. And fortunately this particular show does a New York Press preview. So and I, the guy I met there, I'll show you his picture ladies. He's very funny. So this guy makes gadgets for babies. And the one that I, two of them I thought were very clever. One's called Rocket, the portable baby rocker.

Leo Laporte (00:49:56):
Ah, oh, I was gonna say a portable baby rocket would be a bad idea unless you wanna launch that baby to the moon. A rocket, you

Dick DeBartolo (00:50:05):
Know, you see people walk walking in the park or sitting on the park bench, and even if they're on the park bench, they have to keep rocking the carriage so the baby stays asleep. So this little gadget just clips onto the handle of the carriage and keeps rocking the carriage gently. Like

Mikah Sargent (00:50:22):
A vibration motor kind of thing.

Dick DeBartolo (00:50:24):
Yes. Ex. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. and then the second thing was, and there was another person at this show doing baby gadgets and I didn't know that the sound sh actually helps babies be

Leo Laporte (00:50:39):
Quiet. Oh, it's not like blowing on a cartridge,

Dick DeBartolo (00:50:43):
<Laugh>. No, no, not at all. So the one guy came up with a little gadget called Woosh, and it's like a baby white noise machine. Ah, a

Leo Laporte (00:50:52):
Couple of the Oh, white noise. Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (00:50:54):
A couple of the tracks are woosh, but then there's also water. And I believe one is a little, little baby melody. Don't

Leo Laporte (00:51:03):

Mikah Sargent (00:51:04):
A word. Maybe I want to say exactly.

Leo Laporte (00:51:05):
Mama's gonna buy you <laugh>.

Dick DeBartolo (00:51:08):
I asked the guy, I said, can I, he said, yeah, adults, adults can use that. Shh, umh. And if you go to my website, I'll show you

Leo Laporte (00:51:16):
A lot. I was,

Mikah Sargent (00:51:17):
I get kind of angry if someone actually does that. Don't thing to me. Don't people

Leo Laporte (00:51:21):
Don't work. Maybe babies, but don't shush

Mikah Sargent (00:51:23):
People. Yeah. I don't like people shushing

Dick DeBartolo (00:51:24):
<Laugh>. No. Okay. Can you bring up my website? I just wanted to show you a

Leo Laporte (00:51:28):
Photo. Oh. If you insist

Mikah Sargent (00:51:30):
<Laugh>. We're heading there now.

Dick DeBartolo (00:51:32):
And just whizz

Leo Laporte (00:51:33):
Go Biz Biz. Oh Biz. Dickie d's website and,

Dick DeBartolo (00:51:37):
And visits the tech guy. Ask the tech guy,

Leo Laporte (00:51:40):
Click the button. Giz whiz visits the tech guys. And

Mikah Sargent (00:51:43):
We'll have to replay.

Dick DeBartolo (00:51:44):

Leo Laporte (00:51:47):
Let's see here. Coming

Mikah Sargent (00:51:49):
Around momentarily

Leo Laporte (00:51:50):
With Mikah, Sargent and Leo Laporte. That's us. You're we're famous. We're on the internet. Oh my

Dick DeBartolo (00:51:57):
Goodness. Wow.

Leo Laporte (00:51:58):
And what's the picture? 

Dick DeBartolo (00:52:00):
Oh. So that, that, that's rocket. That's woosh.

Leo Laporte (00:52:02):
Wait. A you put little, you put the baby in that.

Mikah Sargent (00:52:05):
No, you,

Dick DeBartolo (00:52:05):
No, no, no. This clips onto the carriage

Leo Laporte (00:52:08):
Handle. Oh. And goes And

Dick DeBartolo (00:52:09):
It keeps moving. It keeps moving the carriage. Like you were push

Leo Laporte (00:52:13):
Pushing it. Oh, it

Mikah Sargent (00:52:14):
Moves it. Yeah. That's the first one. Rocket rocks

Leo Laporte (00:52:16):
The baby. I'm confused.

Mikah Sargent (00:52:17):
Who is the second

Leo Laporte (00:52:18):
One? And then here's Zed. You add Zed to the baby's bed.

Dick DeBartolo (00:52:22):
Zed is, does a little movement of a baby mattress. It says not for adults.

Leo Laporte (00:52:28):
Oh, okay.

Dick DeBartolo (00:52:29):
Okay. But is it like a, it's the funny thing is

Mikah Sargent (00:52:32):
Movement or what's the deal

Dick DeBartolo (00:52:33):
There? N no, it, it just moves the mattress a little bit. So it makes a vibration. The

Leo Laporte (00:52:38):
Baby lifts up the mattress and says, oh my goodness.

Dick DeBartolo (00:52:40):
He's a dead

Mikah Sargent (00:52:41):
Person under my mattress. Sort of like the, he killed the princess and the pee.

Dick DeBartolo (00:52:47):

Leo Laporte (00:52:48):
You know, when anyway, when Abby was little, we would put her on the clothes dryer. We, you know, she had a little baby. Oh yeah. Thing we put her on the clothes dryer cuz the motion in the sound. She liked it.

Mikah Sargent (00:52:57):
Hair. And once the hair was dry, then you'd take her.

Leo Laporte (00:52:59):
Yeah. Not in the clothes dryer. Do not recommend. Do

Dick DeBartolo (00:53:02):
Recommend. No, not at

Leo Laporte (00:53:03):
All. Yeah. So there you go. So anyway, some nice

Dick DeBartolo (00:53:05):
Little baby. So the funny thing is just go back to the, just a hang my webpage. Yeah. And, and down further down, down, down, down. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (00:53:14):
Keep going. It's

Leo Laporte (00:53:14):
Like I'm scratching your back

Dick DeBartolo (00:53:16):
A picture of a man.

Leo Laporte (00:53:17):
So I see a picture of two guys of a man. I see

Dick DeBartolo (00:53:20):
Not two

Leo Laporte (00:53:20):
Guys Buzz. Oh wait, it's not there.

Dick DeBartolo (00:53:22):
Oh wait, scroll up. It's not there. Click on the one that says Buzz Pitkin.

Leo Laporte (00:53:26):
Turns out Buzz Pitkin is a really big mad Alfred e Newman fan.

Dick DeBartolo (00:53:32):
You saw the picture earlier, right? I will show it on my screen cuz I can definitely see me. Is it photo? I think you might have a, a content blocker that's hiding

Leo Laporte (00:53:40):
Or something. Oh, Dick. You know, I

Dick DeBartolo (00:53:42):
Probably block, are you using that Airplay one?

Leo Laporte (00:53:45):
I'm gonna turn off enhanced tracking protection. And I'm gonna turn on, I have way too many blockers

Dick DeBartolo (00:53:51):
On this. There you go.

Leo Laporte (00:53:53):
Aw. Ah, he looks like

Dick DeBartolo (00:53:55):

Leo Laporte (00:53:55):
This is, he a is. Yes,

Dick DeBartolo (00:53:57):
He did that. The funny thing is, yeah, he showed me the gadgets. Yeah. I didn't think anything about Alfred. I was then having lunch and he came running over and said, someone at a booth told me you work for mad? I said, yeah. He said, I love mad so much. I carry a blackout tooth <laugh> with me at all times. <Laugh>. Oh, that's cute. I I said, because he does kinda

Leo Laporte (00:54:21):
Look like Alfred. He's a redhead.

Dick DeBartolo (00:54:22):
He does. Yeah. And when he put the tooth in, I go, my God, I'm <laugh>. I didn't know why. That's hyster. I didn't realize this earlier.

Leo Laporte (00:54:29):
He needs to pin his ears forward though. It's other than

Dick DeBartolo (00:54:32):
That, just a touch, other

Leo Laporte (00:54:33):
Touch than that. He

Dick DeBartolo (00:54:34):
Doesn't. But I, I thought that was, that's really cool. I I have met fans do weird things. I have never met a fan. And Alfred Newman blackout too.

Leo Laporte (00:54:42):
That's awesome. His is the website, by the way, don't forget the chance to play and win an autograph. Copy of Mad Magazine playing the game. What the heck is it? Let's see what the heck

Dick DeBartolo (00:54:55):
Show. And that's what, you'll win

Leo Laporte (00:54:56):
That one. Let's see what we're gonna win this one. All right. Oh, I wanted to show you something real quickly. This was from our discord. Apparently The Simpsons loves Mad Magazine too. Oh

Dick DeBartolo (00:55:06):
Yes. This was in The Simpsons. Big. Yes.

Leo Laporte (00:55:08):
Yes. It says third, fourth, fifth Floors for lease. Sixth Floor Mad Magazine. Gasp Mad Magazine. <Laugh>. That's Bart. I think that's Bart's hand. I felt the same way when we went, Abby and I, when she was little. You gave us a tour of the Madison Avenue offices. I felt,

Dick DeBartolo (00:55:25):
Well, you exactly. On one episode of The Simpsons, they do a tour of Amid. And one of my favorite jokes is in that bar, opens the door and is the big mad logo. And, and Bar says, is this Mad Magazine? And the wound at desk goes, no, it's Madam Mazzeo. And we're buying the letters. We we're bought all the letters. Yet one time we're buying the lettuces. One at a time. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:55:52):
That ze play the what of the heck? What the heck? What the heck is it Contest? Let me see what the picture is. Oh, it is, you know what it is? It's, it's a heating coil for ants. This you put under the baby's mouth.

Dick DeBartolo (00:56:05):
Oh, that's a great, that's a <laugh>,

Leo Laporte (00:56:08):
An Aunt Maze. Okay. Okay. So now if you think you know what that is, you have to the end of the month to identify it just a few more weeks and get yourself in the drawing for 18 autograph copies of Mad Magazine. But I should tell you, there's six for the right answer up to 12 for the wrong answer. The funny, wrong answer. Funny cutie one. Yeah. That's a heater for baby's mattress, right? Yeah.

Dick DeBartolo (00:56:33):
Like a heating coil.

Leo Laporte (00:56:34):
Yeah. Yeah. A little heating coil. Well, when the

Dick DeBartolo (00:56:35):
Baby starts whistling, then you know the tea

Leo Laporte (00:56:37):
Is ready. This is a good one to play for though. I would like to, I

Dick DeBartolo (00:56:39):
Agree. Yeah. This

Leo Laporte (00:56:40):
One looks, I would like to, boy, I would love to have an autographed copy of this magazine. Oh, wait a minute. Oh wait, I do check that out. And so do you. Oh, Dickie d 17 years. May there be 17 more.

Dick DeBartolo (00:56:54):
Oh, thank you. Yeah, it's great being with you guys. So Ill see you next month.

Leo Laporte (00:56:58):
Thank you Dick d to see you. Always a pleasure. Bye. Chris Marquardt is coming up in a little bit to do a photo review. That'll be a lot of fun. I'm gonna show you, speaking of photos, some of the photos I got from my Samsung Galaxy S 23 Ultra. I got it yesterday. And Nice. Immediately hiked out to the beach to take some pictures. I'm gonna compare it to the Apple iPhone Promax, the 15 Promax. See which one we like better. But first we're gonna say hi to Kenny, who is on the line with his hand up in the air. Kenny, come on down. <Laugh>.

Caller 2 (00:57:34):
Hello. Can you hear me okay? Yes.

Leo Laporte (00:57:37):
Welcome to the show. Good. Where are you calling from?

Caller 2 (00:57:40):
I am calling from Cottontown, Tennessee.

Leo Laporte (00:57:42):
Oh, it's Cottontown Kenny.

Caller 2 (00:57:45):
Yes, yes. Oh, I guess you can see I'm wearing my u c Bruins gear.

Leo Laporte (00:57:50):
Oh, oh, are you a a a los A transplanted Los Angeles.

Caller 2 (00:57:54):
Remember I always talked about the Los Angeles Yes. Sports teams basically.

Leo Laporte (00:57:58):
Yes. Yes. Cottontown has a very good view of the planet. Look at that. That's great. Yeah.

Caller 2 (00:58:03):
Yeah. I, I was, I have a background of Palm Springs on my Mac, but I don't think I was able to get set up by White Kings. They won

Leo Laporte (00:58:10):
Against. Oh, that's good. Do people in Cottontown think you're a little strange for all this la love?

Caller 2 (00:58:18):
No, because we don't have a big population. So that's another key thing is we're very small in terms of population wise. I'm, like I said, I feel like a Norma in that sense or not.

Leo Laporte (00:58:30):
It sounds really nice. It sound, I have to say, it sounds like a little bit of paradise on Earth. Just the name alone sounds nice.

Caller 2 (00:58:36):
It it, it does. I mean, it's got a lot of ties with the Civil War aspect of it. We're not too far from a lot of areas where the Silver War actually took place. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:58:47):
Interesting. Oh, interesting. What can we do for you, Kenny?

Caller 2 (00:58:51):
Well, I had a couple of questions, but you actually mentioned in the opening about parallels. I was gonna ask you about that in a little bit because I have a little situation where I'm thinking about debating, reinstalling it in regards to the Microsoft store. But I want to get to that second. Okay. The first thing I wanna talk about is, you know, that when I used to call, I had mentioned that I was going back to college. Yep. And still, I still kind of am. I had to take a little bit of a break from taking programming classes because I've been kind of going in and out at different jobs for the last five months or so. I'm actually gonna start a new one next week. And the tuition at the reimbursement is a little bit different than what I was used to. Ah. So I'm kind of debating on not pursuing a degree per se, but pursuing a certificate, like an IT certificate.

Leo Laporte (00:59:51):
Probably my original, probably more than adequate. Yeah. Yeah. I mean's, depends

Caller 2 (00:59:55):
What I asked you. Do you think that's okay? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:59:57):
ABS forgetting a job in it. Absolutely. And used to work in it, having that cert is really more important than having the bachelor's, I would say. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Caller 2 (01:00:06):

Leo Laporte (01:00:06):
Work before a degree. Yeah, that's right. If you're, if you're up against somebody with a BA in computer science and you've got an A plus cert <laugh>, I think you're gonna get the job because that that's really, you know, feet on the ground pudding. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And, and look at me. I don't have a degree. I don't have a cert either though. So <laugh> got nothing. I ended up in broadcasting. So be careful. Let's get of an honorary cert <laugh>.

Caller 2 (01:00:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trust me, I, I have a little bit

Leo Laporte (01:00:35):
Of, and it's hard. I understand. It's hard going back to school. It's expensive. You gotta, you still have to make a living and it's tough. I think the CERT's not a bad idea. And I would mention our sponsors ACI learning cuz it pros you know, that that's for those particular certs is great. And, and, and, and they promote. And I think it's correct the cybersecurity certs, because there are literally hundreds of thousands of open unfilled jobs in cybersecurity right now. These people are desperate mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. So having the, having a assert a cybersecurity cert in particular, they have a whole track. You can get their variety of cybersecurity certs, but they have a whole track for that. And it's, it's fairly affordable, especially compared to going to, you know, a technical school like a healed college or somewhere where that could be tens of thousands of dollars that could be more expensive than going to a university. So yeah. I would, I would definitely do that.

Caller 2 (01:01:31):
Yeah. It's a good thing you just pointed that out. I did take a flyer for I've been seeing radio ads for my computer career. Yeah. But then I looked at the reviews and it's mostly a scam of some sort. Not, you gotta be really careful. That's a nice way of saying it. So I kind of passed on

Leo Laporte (01:01:45):
That. You, you've gotta be extra careful about that, I would say. Yeah.

Caller 2 (01:01:50):
Yeah. But the good thing is my alma mater has a plan in place. Okay. where I can, I just basically can take all my credits and course just transfer it back over there and it's pretty affordable too, so. Perfect. Good.

Leo Laporte (01:02:02):
Yeah. They have a program, so that's great. Yeah, I would do that. Absolutely. Mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. So what was your other question?

Caller 2 (01:02:07):
Yeah. Going back to what you were saying about where you were installing Windows. Yes. And it brings back a lot of memories with me cause I have parallel. So it is funny seeing you going through all that process and everything. I am running across, one little problem with my current install on Windows on Parallels is the Microsoft store. Okay. And being able to use it to detect updates like every time I would say where it says get updates up on the top right side, I click on it and it's showing me a caution sign with the exclamation point right at the middle every single time. Now, I did find a little workaround around it where if you click on the app and as long as it have it set up where it takes apps updated automatically, it will generally update them. But I've noticed that it just won't do it. Like, just automatically done. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:03:00):
You wanna do it all at once. And, and incidentally, Microsoft is moving more and more to the model of updating even with security updates through the store. So you really do want to get that store working. I think that's a parallels problem specifically.

Caller 2 (01:03:13):
Exactly. Yeah. And what I was asking, do you think it would be best to do a complete reinstall?

Leo Laporte (01:03:19):
Yeah, I might try it. You might try it. Mine's working and in fact, you saw I started from scratch here, but I had a little weirdness where it disappeared. But you see I am in the in the store, in the library, you click down here mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and this shows you all the apps that you've installed. And one of the nice things about using this store is it knows, because I'm in my Windows account, it knows which apps I've installed in the past. So it's very easy to get updates for all of those, or install all of those from scratch if I haven't installed 'em yet. So it's, it was very quick to get a new setup going again cuz I already had all of these previously installed. So I'm not sure why that's happening. You've authenticated

Caller 2 (01:03:59):
Yes. It, it's completely authenticated. But I understand that when you have to uninstall it I think you have to kind of remove the license credentials and then try to reinstall with parallels. Cuz I had a little bit of a issue

Leo Laporte (01:04:14):
With Windows 10. That's

Caller 2 (01:04:15):

Leo Laporte (01:04:16):
So, yeah. That's really interesting. Well, I'm, I'll see if I'm running into that because I am, I, as you saw, I had to do a full reinstall and I haven't gone through it looks like it knows who I am. <Laugh>. It has my, it has my picture, so mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. Yeah. I think, I think I'm o I think I'm Okay. Let's let's see if I run, sit, let's see if I'm authenticated because I didn't authenticate it by hand by, oh no, this is wrong. I'm getting another edge.

Caller 2 (01:04:48):
Oh, hey. That's the new Bing.

Leo Laporte (01:04:49):
Oh, did I get the new Bing? Woohoo

Caller 2 (01:04:52):
<Laugh>. It looks like it. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:04:54):
There you go. They have limited what you can do with the new Bing because people were, were making big insane by peppering it with questions to the point where it either would say, I love you or I hate you. <Laugh>, <laugh> or the worst one. I will not harm you if you do not harm me. Microsoft realized this was just being kind of losing its mind. We shouldn't use anthropomorphized. Right. cuz it isn't, it's not a, it's not sentient, it's not thinking it's an autocorrect. Right. It's just mm-hmm. <Affirmative> somebody in the on No Wednesday on Trig called it spicy autocorrect. It's just, it's just, it's just, you know, blathering, whatever it thinks should come next. And if you pester it long enough, you can get to the blather bizarre stuff. So Microsoft has limited you to what is the six questions on any topic.

And then you have to start over. And so they've really, they figured it out. Just don't let people bug it Right. Too long and it will be less insane. Again. I don't, it's sh I mean, it's hard not to answer people. It'll be less bizarre. The software responses Yeah. Will not get cur flooded. <Laugh>. There you go. Very technical. So I'm not sure why you're having that issue. Make sure you've given it all the proper permission so it can write to the drive and all of that stuff. Make sure you have enough room on the drive for it to write to the drive. That might also be an issue. You're authenticated, it knows it's you, you've logged into your Microsoft account and it's accepted that those are all things that could get in the way. But I I'm not sure why it's not quite working for you.

Caller 2 (01:06:24):
Well, I just didn't know if it was something that was a common Windows theme where

Leo Laporte (01:06:29):
God one never knows. Does one <laugh> one never knows

Caller 2 (01:06:32):
Because Windows we're talking about.

Leo Laporte (01:06:34):
Yeah. Yeah. I, I think that there are many common Windows problems that not everybody has, if that makes sense. <Laugh>. Oh, yeah. You know, then you have a billion users. If one, 1000th of 1% has problems, that's hundreds and hundreds of people. Yep. And, and, and all it takes is 50 of them to post on Reddit. This doesn't work and everybody's gonna think it doesn't work. It's very easy when you get that giant user base to get the mis mis apprehension that it's, it's, you know, it's non-functional. I wish it were, you know, a hundred percent, but it isn't. I haven't seen that problem. Maybe somebody in the chat room has, or discord or somebody will call in and and help us out. Five replies. It limits you to five replies before it resets. Thank you. Scooter X and thank you. It's great to cut talk to you. I'm, I'm really glad that you're gonna continue your studies. I'm glad to hear that.

Caller 2 (01:07:28):
Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna definitely try to. But before I let you go I did call rich DE's show. Oh good.

Leo Laporte (01:07:35):
Yesterday. How did Rich on

Caller 2 (01:07:36):
A question, how

Leo Laporte (01:07:37):
Did Rich do?

Caller 2 (01:07:38):
He did a good job. Good. he actually contacted me before he got to my question because apparently I didn't do a good job of wording it to Kim Shafford. As far as what it was about YouTube tv. Yeah. Surprise, surprise. It's been in the news because of N F NFL Sunday ticket, losing MLB network, upgrading Apple tv, all these things. Yeah. And he gave me some pretty good advice. Like he, one of the things he recommended was to either try to install it like through the ethernet cable, which is a little bit hard cuz the modem is not nearby where I could use it or just uninstall the app and reinstalling it. And I'm doing it right now. And so far it's not buffering. Cuz that's my biggest concern is the buffering and the bandwidth. Especially them getting N F L Sunday ticket. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:08:24):
And I've not had any problem. In fact we have, I still have cable. I haven't cut the cord yet. And we have so much problems with our cable that I watched the Super Bowl on YouTube TV without any glitching or anything like that. So I've been very happy with it, but it's gonna depend on your bandwidth right now. We've got a great picture. It's very steady. We haven't had any problems to your bandwidth at this time of day is great, but, you know, that can vary also depending on everybody else in Cottontown. So you know, it just really, it just really depends, I guess.

Caller 2 (01:08:55):
Yeah. I don't think there'll be a lot of people watching the NBA All-Star game or even the, the, I'm watching the Daytona 500 right

Leo Laporte (01:09:02):
Now. It's not the No. So get this, understand this. It's not YouTube, it's not who's watching it? It's not the YouTube servers. It's in your neighborhood. And it doesn't have to be them watching YouTube. They could be watching Netflix. The, are you on a cable modem?

Caller 2 (01:09:16):
No, I'm on, well technically they pro service provides cable, but we're not on a cable mode.

Leo Laporte (01:09:23):
So you're on, is it through your phone company, your internet?

Caller 2 (01:09:26):
It's electric company.

Leo Laporte (01:09:28):
The electric company. Interesting.

Caller 2 (01:09:29):
They have, they, they just opened up some service a couple years ago and they, they your,

Leo Laporte (01:09:35):
Are you near Chattanooga?

Caller 2 (01:09:37):

Leo Laporte (01:09:38):
Okay. Cuz the chat, cuz Chattanooga's got broadband over power line, which is a really cool thing to do. Wow. And has been very controversial. Hmm. 

Caller 2 (01:09:47):
Yes, I've heard about that.

Leo Laporte (01:09:48):
So I wonder if you're getting a broadband over power line

Leo Laporte (01:09:54):
How does it come into your house technically?

Caller 2 (01:09:56):
Well, it comes to our house the way it would like a phone wire, basically. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:10:00):
But it's just so it's dsl,

Caller 2 (01:10:01):

Leo Laporte (01:10:01):
Providing it. Okay. So it's DSL through the power company. Okay. 

Caller 2 (01:10:05):
I You can kind of say it that way.

Leo Laporte (01:10:07):
<Laugh>. Yeah. Well I think it must be if it's through the phone line. So yeah. I mean that's just gonna depend. DSL then depends on the phone, on the electric company. <Laugh> at the central office. How many people are using it there? The difference between cable and DSL is the cable is how many people are using it at the head end, which is usually in your neighborhood. Cottontown is probably not too busy. It really is gonna come down to what the power company gave you enough, bought enough bandwidth from their provider to provide everybody in your area who's using their service. Enough bandwidth to watch YouTube tv. It'll get better. I, it was one of the things I've noticed is that really has gotten better all over the country. Broadband speeds are going up. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, the FCC is pushing I think things are getting better. So yeah. I think you'll be good. You'll be good to go by September. <Laugh> or August for the post preseason. I'm gonna buy it. I'm gonna buy it. Cause we wanna see our Green Bay Packers. You wanna see the is it the Chargers or the Rams? Who are you? Rams

Caller 2 (01:11:04):
Or Chargers? Either

Leo Laporte (01:11:05):
One. Either one. You don't care. LA Okay. LA's got a embarrassment of riches. Hey, it's great to talk to you. Stay TA in touch. All right. Yeah. And good luck with your, have a good day studies have you too. Take care. We're gonna go to Chris Marwat and talk about photos in just a bit. Before we do though, since he asked about getting that cert, I think it'd be a good time to talk about our sponsor. Perfect Timing. ACI learning. They, you see their, their banners in the studio. They sponsor our studio. But coming to you from the Twitter East Side Studios, brought to you by ACI Learning for the last decade. You've heard us talk about IT Pro, right? We're big fans of IT Pro and the founders. Well, IT PRO is now part of ACI learning. They've partnered and that has really increased their capabilities and the services they can bring to you with it.

Pro ACI learning is expanding its reach, expanding its production capabilities, giving you the content and the style of learning you need at any stage of your development. It Pro of course, is online, but ACI Learning has hubs too, where you can go and get in-person instruction from instructors with other students. Some people like to learn that way. They also have Audit Pro, which is great if you want to get in the audit business. That's a growing area of IT. Practice labs, which allow you to try all this stuff before you actually use it. Now we mentioned search. One of the most popular search, the CompTIA A plus, that's the one I mentioned. IT Pro is great comp TIA courses. ACI learning makes it easy to go from daydreaming about that career in IT to launching it. Earning certificates is the key to opening doors to most entry level IT positions.

But it's also important to, to improve your lot as an IT person to get a better job or to get a promotion at your job, or just to show the boss you really keeping up with a very fast moving area. Tech is one industry where opportunities are outpacing growth right now. This is another good piece of news, especially cybersecurity. As I mentioned LinkedIn just did a study that predicts it. Jobs will be the most in demand roles this year. About one third of information security jobs need a cybersecurity cert. 23% of all IT jobs wanna cert. And I would say almost all the entry level jobs wanna assert. Organizations are hungry for IT talent, the cyber skills gap is growing bigger every day. Get this, Kenny will be happy to hear this. The average salary for cyber security specialists. What do you think $116,000 ACI learnings, information security analyst.

Cybersecurity specialist programs can help get you certified. That just shows you how in demand those roles are. That is a six figure salary. That's, and that's the average. That's the average in 2022. The global cybersecurity workforce gap increased by 26.2% compared to 2021. That's a big growth. And as I said, I think there's hundreds of thousands of open jobs right now. Maybe even over a million. I think the last time I looked at was 1.4 million cybersecurity openings, openings, unfilled openings. Your your chance of getting one of those great paying jobs. Very good. If you demonstrate you got the skills by getting that cert. A c i Learning offers multiple cybersecurity training programs that can prepare you to enter or advance this in, in this industry the most. We, I, I couldn't remember. So I'm glad I have this in front of me. For Kenny, the most popular cybersecurity certifications, C I S S P I, this, the one I always wanted was EC counselors.

EC Council's Certified Ethical Hacker. I would love to have a that. Leo Laport. C e h <laugh>. What's the C E h? I'm a certified Ethical Hacker. That would scare people. <Laugh>. That sounds cool though, right? That does. Certified Network Defender. Cybersecurity Audit School. This is a, like I said, a increasingly important part of the job is to verify for stakeholders, for customers, for partners that you are secure, right? Everybody wants to know that now. Those audits are really important. Cybersecurity frameworks. Knowing those very helpful, where and how you learn matters. ACI learning offers fully customizable training no matter what kind of learner you are. As I mentioned in person on demand remote, you take your learning beyond the classroom. Somebody like Kenny who's got a job, sometimes it's better to have that, that, that on demand learning that you can use whenever you've got a free moment.

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That's a great deal. Go dot aci Don't forget the offer code TWI 30. I wanted to put in a big plug for them, especially after talking to Kenny. So many people wanna improve their lot in life, and here's a chance to get a really good job. And you wanna know about job security. If you're the person who set up the network, if you're the person who knows how the network is secured, you're safe for life. You're safe for life. Hey, guess who's here, old friend. A new new assignment, I think from Chris Marwat. Photo guy chris and discover the top Chris, it's great to see you.

Chris Marquardt (01:17:11):
It's good to be back. How's that doing? Great.

Leo Laporte (01:17:13):
Yay. We're doing great. How are the how are the, are you getting ready for your Eastern Europe jaunts?

Chris Marquardt (01:17:20):
The Eastern Europe Electric Road trip? Yep. It's almost sold out. Second tour is full. First tour has one and a half spots open. So wait a minute.

Leo Laporte (01:17:30):
What, what is the, this is the half right? The half the shrunk, I mean, where

Chris Marquardt (01:17:35):
<Laugh>? Well, no, not quite. Not quite. It's, it's one person who's not, he is a bit on the fence. So we're,

Leo Laporte (01:17:40):
We're still Oh good. He might, he might lose his space. Don't be on the fence. If you want to go traveling around Eastern Europe with Mr. Marwar taking pictures. Chris is a great photographer. We we've talked to him for years. I've known him since I've started podcasting. We met at the podcast expo many years

Chris Marquardt (01:17:56):
Ago. It's 2006.

Leo Laporte (01:17:59):
Nice. And we have been working on an assignment, haven't we?

Chris Marquardt (01:18:04):
Yes. Well, we have, we have the assignment, the gentle assignment to look at. Gentle. So I brought some photos. Here they are. Thanks everyone for participating. Great stuff. And

Leo Laporte (01:18:15):
Did we get a drop off on participation? Cuz we've moved the tech guy. Did. Do you think that

Chris Marquardt (01:18:20):
We're we're seven 17 participating. Oh, that's pretty good bit. All right. Anywhere between 15 and 30 is good. So I think we're still good. We're still doing okay. Good. So I have as usual take, taken some time and looked at them and made a choice. And I've picked three. And the first one is by Michael Hennigan. It's a blue heron in flight. Ooh. And if you've ever

Leo Laporte (01:18:45):
Tried to

Chris Marquardt (01:18:46):
Shortages picture of a bird flight, that is difficult. That is

Leo Laporte (01:18:49):
Really, you know what's cool? It looks like he panned the camera as he was shooting the bird.

Chris Marquardt (01:18:54):
That's what you do. And, and, and, and of course the camera has to follow the focus cuz that changes why you pan. And then you have to shoot a, like a long burst to make sure you, you, you maximize your chances for catching the shot. And Michael did good job. A gentle bird. I guess I've never, I've never, I've never seen a, a herron. Well I have seen herons, but I've never seen one flying.

Leo Laporte (01:19:19):
So that is beautiful. They have a huge wings fan. Anyway, first

Chris Marquardt (01:19:21):
Off, the three photos. Yay. Second in the gentle assignment is by Demi lent. It's almost plain white. But then if you look very closely, what you see is that roll of toilet paper. Oh, a white wall.

Leo Laporte (01:19:37):
Oh, it's Charmin. There you

Chris Marquardt (01:19:38):
Go. They're so gentle.

Leo Laporte (01:19:40):
Do they have Charmin in Germany? Probably not.

Chris Marquardt (01:19:43):
I think we do. I think we do. Okay. It's, it looks, it looks very gentle and soft. It's soft. I, I like this kind of a photo cuz it's a minimalist photo. It takes you a while to ch to, to figure out what it is. And then it reveals itself and you go, oh yeah. It's

Leo Laporte (01:19:58):
Aesthetically so interesting because there's only one thing in the photo, right?

Chris Marquardt (01:20:05):
Well, not just that, but it's, it's, it's tone and tone. It's all, and it's to the side. So there's a lot of space, which by the way would lend itself wonderfully to make it into let's say a motivational poster. <Laugh> Right. Space for copy. So I

Leo Laporte (01:20:19):
Don't wanna know what it would say, but, okay. Yeah. So this is, so I'm thinking I often do this with your pics. If I saw that centered, would it be as good a photo? And I don't think it would be, would it, that might be your tendency to like center the subject.

Chris Marquardt (01:20:34):
It completely depends on what you want to use the photo for. But in this case that, that, that was my first thought is like, it needs, it needs a motivational part <laugh> somewhere. So maybe we'll leave that to the audience as a bit of a caption contest here. Last but not least, third picture by Gregory Cheney. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:20:53):

Chris Marquardt (01:20:54):
And it is, I've, yeah. This, this stood out because, well, what, what, what we're seeing here is a, is a hand holding, I guess it's prayer beads of some sort. A gentle hand. Of course the backlight giving it this, this halo of, of bright, but well, the fiber is the hand itself, even the hair on the hands. So the backlight just, just gives it this very, very well gentle feeling. I love it. I'm, I'm a great fan of this. So,

Leo Laporte (01:21:26):
And this is an example of how black and white can be either harsh or in this case gentle. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, right. Black and white doesn't necessarily go one way or the other. Exactly. It's a very soft, kind of a soft monochrome

Chris Marquardt (01:21:41):
That well, and of course the content of the picture itself has has gentleness. Yeah. Written all over it.

Leo Laporte (01:21:46):
Yeah. Well, thank you. So there we go. Thank you. Three pictures, Michael and Demi. Who, who was that last one?

Chris Marquardt (01:21:54):
Gregory Che. Gregory.

Leo Laporte (01:21:55):
Michael, Demi and Gregory. Nice job. Yeah. Gorgeous.

Chris Marquardt (01:21:59):
Nice job. And guess what,

Leo Laporte (01:22:01):
What brought the time for the fish bowl?

Chris Marquardt (01:22:04):
Go to the fish. I brought the fish. Fish bowl. I'm not afraid to use it. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (01:22:08):

Chris Marquardt (01:22:11):
Here we are. Here is the, is it one? Yes, it's one. Here we

Leo Laporte (01:22:15):
Go. So we've loaded the fish. Chris has loaded the fishbowl with a bunch of words. Our next assignment is

Chris Marquardt (01:22:21):
Oh, oh, this one. This one. The next assignment is, oh, can you read it? No, you can't. Crazy.

Leo Laporte (01:22:26):
Crazy. Okay. Crazy.

This. We'll get Dick d Barto on this one. <Laugh>. so how does this work? So what we're asking, it's an assignment to go out. And really the whole point of this is not to win prizes, acclaim, fame, or fortune. All you're gonna get is the pleasure of going out and taking a lot of pictures. But now you're going out with a purpose to find crazy. You can submit up to one picture a month, oh sorry. A week for the next four weeks. We'll do this for about a month. Chris will be back in a month. And the way you submit 'em is you upload 'em to flicker That's a free photo sharing site. We have a tech guy group on Flicker. You'll have to join that group. If you're not already a member, you'll know you're in the right place, cuz it's got a big picture of me.

But also, we're so close now to 14,000 members. All we need is 34 more members. It will be 14,000, 7,600 photos. Renee Silverman, our wonderful moderator. She's a pro photo, a photographer herself. Renee Silverman will welcome you in. And if you've got a picture, tag it TG for tech guy. Crazy tg crazy. And upload it again. One per week. Renee will say, I got it, thank you. And put it in the pool. And in four weeks, Mr. Mark Wat will find three that he particularly likes and we can talk about on the air. We'll put links in the show notes in our chat and in the discord to all of the images. And thank you to our photographers. That was not the only picture of a toilet paper roll. Actually. There were other,

Mikah Sargent (01:24:02):
There's a second one in there. Yeah, there's another

Leo Laporte (01:24:03):
One. <Laugh>. It's, it's kinda kind of interesting. People are great. I thank you all for your for your pictures. It really, really, a lot of fun. I love it that you participated. Thank you. And keep participating. And and if you're in the tech guy group, leave comments and thoughts for that you're your fellow photographers. Cuz this is kind of part of the fun is sharing sharing your work with other people in just a little bit. I'm gonna share some of my works because I got a Samsung Galaxy S 23 Ultra. Ooh. And I've been taking some pictures with it yesterday. And I'm gonna show you what it can do. It can do some pretty amazing things, including 200 x zoom. Ooh, Chris Marwar But if you're interested in the, in the stuff, the trips, discover the top And of course he hosts the longest running photography podcast in the world. Tips from the top He has other podcasts too. Some great ones, including those plenty. Future, the Future of photography. Thank you Chris. Always a pleasure.

Mikah Sargent (01:25:10):
Thanks. Looking forward to coming back in a month. Take care. Thanks so much. Shoes. Take care. Bye.

Leo Laporte (01:25:16):
Alright. I don't know what that means. Sometimes I say things, shoes.

Mikah Sargent (01:25:18):

Leo Laporte (01:25:19):
Is that

Mikah Sargent (01:25:20):
I think that way. Doesn't that mean like, thanks

Leo Laporte (01:25:22):
<Laugh>. It means something <laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (01:25:24):

Leo Laporte (01:25:25):
Don't, I shouldn't probably make up words.

Mikah Sargent (01:25:27):
It's definitely a's definitely German. Okay. I remember learning it at one point. Yeah. Don't German, would you speak German? My

Leo Laporte (01:25:32):
Head anymore? I'm gonna put you in charge of Chris from now on <laugh>. We have some video questions, right? Do you wanna try one? Mr. Ashley? Yeah. Let's give it a shot.

Video Caller 1 (01:25:42):
Hello Leo and Mikah. I have a question. It's the barn to us. It's, and I work outta my barn. It's, and in my barn I have spectrum internet and an Aus router, Aus wifi. There's my house. In my house. I have at and t Uverse and the Google mesh wifi. I have 'em different because I have six kids. I don't want their them anywhere near my internet. <Laugh>. And by the way, at t u-verse is better. My question is, well the other day I was digging a hole and I cut my internet to the house.

Leo Laporte (01:26:18):
Oh no.

Video Caller 1 (01:26:19):
Comes in all the way over there from all the way over there on that pole. While I was out, I was wondering why can I not just crisscross the internet when I knock one out by accident? And one of 'em is usually out most of the time being the barn for some odd reason. So how can I get internet from the house in the barn when the barn internet's out and internet for the barn in the house? Oh, I see. When the barn internet's out. And I do not wanna dig and put a wire on the ground cuz who knows what else I'll hit once I do that <laugh>. So anyway, that is my question. Thank you for your time.

Leo Laporte (01:26:56):
What I love the illustrations. We never saw him. Yeah, we saw the barn, we saw the house, we saw the bulldozer that cut the cable on the way to the barn. We didn't see the six kids either. But <laugh>, I have a vivid image of them. So thank you. That's the way, that's fun. That's the way a video question should be. Ask the tech guys at Twitter tv. So he has, so really what you want is redundancy, right? Redundant providers. He has two providers. And he wants, if one fails in one location to get it into the other location. The real that's fairly simple. There are a number of routers that will do bonding or do redundancy. I have a ubiquity, which I love by the way. Ubiquity dream machine. It has failover. So you can provide, it has two wan two, actually I think mine has four WAN outlets.

So you could have up to four different providers and it would fail over from one to the other. That's a little different than I use the word bonding. That's not technically bonding, that's just Dr. Failing over bonding would be taking, and you can, summer outers will do this. Taking bandwidth from both providers and merging it together to improve your speed. I would look for one that does failover, a router that does failover. But the issue that makes it much, much more complicated is you don't want to run a wire. Exactly. If you're gonna run a wire, you can put the ubiquity in both places, connect the wire to 'em and then one drops out. The other one be connected. But I understand cuz the cable, if he keeps bulldozing, it's gonna be a problem. So what you need, and actually I, I am not sure if there are routers that will do failover over wifi. And that's the tricky thing. I presume you have a you ha you do have a wire to the barn and a wire to the house, and those routers are connected to those.

Mikah Sargent (01:28:47):
So here

Leo Laporte (01:28:48):
You want wifi to go from the one that's working to the one that's not working. I

Mikah Sargent (01:28:53):
Wanted to double check before I set it because I recently added an internet backup option. Oh, and I have it set up right now where this iPhone that has a cellular connection serves as the internet backup. If the internet in my home were to go out, I wanted to make sure that it would work with just a wifi router. It absolutely does. So internet backup is a fairly new feature that they've added. And what's great is you can choose which devices actually get access to it. So if you don't want your, you know, IOT devices necessarily to connect to the internet, when the internet that they're supposed to be using is out. But actually on the phone, and let me actually airplay my screen just so folks can see what this looks like. They give you the ability to add multiple backup networks if you'd like.

 So I as mentioned, I currently have it turned on for specifically this iPhone that I'm using. But I can easily tap, add a backup network and then choose any wifi network that I see. And so it searches for those nearby networks. I can select the one that I want and then add it as an option here. And then it's got tests so you can make sure that the actual backup option will work. You can again choose which devices will actually connect to it. So yeah, Euro is at least one that does this. A lot of them have more in depth and much more kind of feature rich options. Especially if you're going Leo's way. But I did wanna mention this sort of simplistic method as it is a new feature from I,

Leo Laporte (01:30:19):
Yeah. I'm looking at a TP link router. There are a number of routers that offer this kind of failover. This is a very inexpensive rack mount load balancing router. But you see at the, in the description it talks about auto failover as well. And you see multiple w ports on there. So that's not an expensive thing. The problem is doing this over over wifi. There are many routers that do it over cellular. That's not uncommon at all. In fact, that's another option I was considering at home. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. We have Comcast gigabit internet, but it goes out once in a while and Lisa says, can you make this? Can there, can this be redundant? And the choice I would probably do actually more likelihood was, was either T-Mobile or Verizon with their new 5G residential service fairly inexpensive. If you're a customer around 25 to $30. And that can be set up to fail over with, with any variety of the TP links would work and stuff cuz it's wired. The real trick is that you got it in two different places and fail over over wifi. Is I, I just don't know. I don't,

Mikah Sargent (01:31:25):
Especially with that barn that looks like it has metal siding on it. That's my biggest concern. Yeah. someone has pointed out, we have actually had someone call in before and talk about how they wanted to have the point to point set up between two areas in there. They had a lot of property. They had I think a barn and it was a home. And so they ended up finding point to point antenna that would work. So those are specifically built to do exactly what you're talking about here. But you'd probably have to have four then, huh? Because you'd have <laugh> the sender going that way and the receiver and then the sender going that way and receiving on the house. So that could get a little pricey after a while.

Leo Laporte (01:32:07):
I think I'm looking at failover or load balancing routers and these, this is a software testing out for wifi load balancing. If it does wifi load balancing, it might do wifi failover as well. Cuz it's kind of the same thing. You know, this is an interesting question. I haven't really thought about this, Barry. The cable deeper says it <laugh>. I, you know, honestly, if I were gonna set this up, I might get a third provider. I might get Verizon or T-Mobile. You look like you're in a more rural area. But if you have 5G from either of those Yeah. And you have an account with either of those <laugh>, it would be a, a trivial thing to have it. Plug it into one and then if the barn goes out, walk it over. Just walk it <laugh>. Yep. You can, it's so easy to unplug it. It's only about that big. Walk it over, plug it into the barn. What you want is a wifi router or, or sorry, a router with wifi failover. And I'm just, I'm just not sure. I'm looking at the the sonology. That's an interesting issue. Wifi failover. Don't know off the top of our heads, I'm sorry to say.

Mikah Sargent (01:33:31):
Yeah, if you, if somehow you are currently able to stand in your barn and get wifi signal from your house, then you woodwork in this situation because as I've just shown you connect, you can connect the wifi network as a backup to it and use it as a backup system. But given the fact that you've got that what looks like metal siding on the barn, this is why we are very encouraging the wires as an option. Or as you've mentioned, just walking between those two places with that

Leo Laporte (01:34:00):
Little puck. I will show you a website that you might find some answers on that I've o often mentioned on the show. And that's They are kind of the kings of long distance wifi. So that's a would be another option. You know, that one of the two is gonna have internet access. So you provide at both ends. A a, a longer distance antenna. It's gonna be directional aiming out from both the barn and the house to the other location. And then you'd have to have a switch or something that you flip over. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But I, I think it'd be possible to set it up that way as well. Radiolab is just full of crazy, wonderful information about all of this bridging and point to point and high power wifi cards and so forth. So I think that might be the place to go.

And I think you might even be able to call them. They're pretty good at support as far as I know. And, and, and pose them this question and say, I want to have wifi failover. That's the key You're looking for wifi failover. I see a guy driving in his car <laugh>. Yes. And I was making me very, very nervous. You haven't raised your hand. Eric, would you like to be on the show or are you just driving and watching? No, no. <Laugh> He just, he's just driving along. Driving along. Listen to the show. I love that. Just keep your eye on the road. That's okay. <Laugh>. That's okay. Should we go to board chair extraordinaire. Board chair. I, I gotta find out who that is. He's also a first in the list. He's been around the longest. Let me send you to the breakout room board chair extraordinaire. Did it go over? Did it work? Can you see? Yeah, it did. Board chair. You just

Mikah Sargent (01:35:47):
Have them. The the person is currently muted and their video

Leo Laporte (01:35:50):
Is off. Yeah. I don't mind the, we don't need video as you can tell, but we do like to hear you cuz it's hard to sign. Talk to you. Indeed. We can't hear ya. 

Mikah Sargent (01:35:59):
They, they

Leo Laporte (01:35:59):
Left. They left. All right. Maybe board chair extraordinaire. Wa <laugh> wasn't in the cards. How about Mark? I'm gonna go to you next. Mark. You got your hand raised? Mark is sitting in front of Don't tell me. Don't tell me. It looks like, is it Toronto?

Caller 3 (01:36:18):
No. Sydney Sydney's Tower. Sydney.

Leo Laporte (01:36:20):
Oh yes. Is that the bridge? The Sydney bridge?

Caller 3 (01:36:25):
It is. It's it is. It's the Harbor bridge and the CenterPoint Tower in the heart of Sydney as

Leo Laporte (01:36:31):
Well. So that tower looks a lot like the CN Tower in Toronto. And that's what fool me. But I should have seen the bridge. Lisa and I tried to walk over that bridge when we were sydnee last few years ago. You can actually climb up and over it. Oh wow. Which is so cool. Oh yes. They make you a It

Caller 3 (01:36:46):
Is an amazing experience to have

Leo Laporte (01:36:48):
You done it.

Caller 3 (01:36:49):
I have. I have.

Leo Laporte (01:36:51):
I'm so jealous. What

Mikah Sargent (01:36:52):
Stopped you? Was there a kangaroo in the way?

Leo Laporte (01:36:54):
We had a 13 year old with us and he was like one week shy of his birthday that would've allowed him to go up on the bridge with us. You have to put on special jumpers, special overalls and leave your phone and all your electronics behind. Cause they don't want you dropping it off the bridge. It sounded a little scary. You're going up over That's so scary. <Laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. But I, that just gives me a reason to go back to Sydnee. Well it's great to hear from you all the way from

Caller 3 (01:37:21):
Honest is to keep you safe.

Leo Laporte (01:37:22):

Caller 3 (01:37:23):
Yeah, it's good to be calling in and I mean I'm actually planning to coming come from Sydney to your side of the world. And that's what I'm wanting to ask about. I'm gonna be in the States for about six weeks. Best part of anyway. Heading all over the countryside, kicking it off in San Francisco and winding up in Washington DC Wow. And I'm trying to look at phone providers for my mobile cuz trying to use my home provider. Is this gonna be so expensive? Are you,

Leo Laporte (01:37:58):
Are you

Caller 3 (01:37:58):
Telstra? I no, I'm with a company called Vodafone. Vodafone. 

Leo Laporte (01:38:04):
Vodafone is pretty good. They're an international carrier so they might, I would inquire Anyway, what they've got. That's always the first thing to do is, well what does your international plan look like?

Caller 3 (01:38:15):
Yeah, I've had a look at them and you can pay like $5 a day for international roaming. So that's not going to really be too classic economical. Yeah. that's where I've been actually looking at sta station sponsor mint Mobile. Yeah. So that's

Leo Laporte (01:38:35):

Caller 3 (01:38:35):
My attention.

Leo Laporte (01:38:36):
Yeah. The problem with me

Caller 3 (01:38:38):
Is why cheaper

Leo Laporte (01:38:39):
Than that? Yeah. I'm trying to think what the shortest term you can subscribe to. Can you do months to months with mit? I'll have to look into that. I bought a year <laugh> the

Caller 3 (01:38:48):
Shortest one. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:38:50):
<Laugh>. Yeah. That's

Caller 3 (01:38:51):
Probably not the one, one I saw with them is three months. Yeah, that sounds right. I think it's still gonna be cheaper. How long are you gonna be? I've got now six weeks. Yeah, about two months.

Leo Laporte (01:39:00):
Two months. So 60 days times five bucks is 300 bucks. Yeah. That's gonna be a lot cheaper. We're talking 15 bucks a month for three months. I see no reason not to do that. You can get a sim from them. You'd have to take the sim out of your existing phone and put in their sim. Here's the downside. You're gonna lose your Australian phone number. You're gonna have a US phone number. I mean you

Caller 3 (01:39:19):
Uses Sims these days though. Oh, EIMS a way to go these days, isn't it?

Leo Laporte (01:39:23):
Well, yeah, and Mint Mobile supports eims. So if you have a phone, you have a phone with eims.

Caller 3 (01:39:29):
Absolutely. That's iPhone. Very

Leo Laporte (01:39:31):
Modern. You use iPhone.

Mikah Sargent (01:39:32):

Leo Laporte (01:39:32):
Oh yeah, yeah. That, that actually is the easiest way to go. And I think you can actually have two eims installed. Uhhuh <affirmative>. So you could install, you can keep your Vodafone sim from Australia and install the Mint mobile sim. They do eims. They'll just send you a code and you put that in and I think at that point you on the iPhone, you say what, where the phone calls go and where the data comes from. You want to keep the phone calls on your Australian number and have the data supported by the MIT mobile sim. I think that sounds sounds great. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Is

Caller 3 (01:40:03):
There any other providers I should look at?

Leo Laporte (01:40:06):
And I'm not saying this cuz they're are sponsored but mince the cheapest I've ever seen. There are other, they're what's called an Mvn o so there're on T-Mobile, you wanna make sure T-Mobile has coverage everywhere you're going. There are other companies like Ting, which is also T-Mobile, but they're a little more expensive. Republic Wireless, they're a little bit more, everybody I've looked at is a little bit more ex expensive.

Mikah Sargent (01:40:26):
The the only one that I will bring up because they do this with exactly what you're talking about in mind, this company, it's called Gig Sky. And what they're for is when you take Littlejohns to other places and you just want to get service during that time, they've been EIM first for the longest. So it's just another option for you to check out. They've got different plans and different costs depending on where you're going. And it's all eim all right there in the app. And I've actually recommended them to a couple of friends who were going to Australia of all places and had a great time using Gig Sky because you, it it, it, there isn't as much kind of before you go set up. You just get the package that you want and you, you move along. So that's one worth checking out as well as Gig Sky.

Leo Laporte (01:41:12):
Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of, that used to be in fact I had a little orange puck from a company I would not recommend, but that there were these guys that would do this that would give you kind of global roaming and you could turn it on or off, which was kind of nice. And maybe Gig Sky is is kind of, I think it's a lot

Mikah Sargent (01:41:30):

Leo Laporte (01:41:30):
That Yeah. For travelers and do that. I think that's, in many ways that would be the way to go, especially if you plan on other trips outside the, the country in the future.

Caller 3 (01:41:41):
Yeah. This is probably gonna be like my one big trip for it sounds like sometimes. So yeah, that's gonna be amazing. You

Leo Laporte (01:41:47):
Ozzies love your walkabouts. I know that's a, that's a Kiwi thing, but I've noticed that when we get, a lot of times we get Ozzy's visiting, they're here for months, they like to do a big long trip. I guess it's such a long flight. Might as well if you can

Caller 3 (01:42:00):
Y Exactly, exactly that And taking in all the Disneylands and Vegas, Niagara Falls, like all the fun parts.

Leo Laporte (01:42:09):
Oh, you're doing the trip. Is this your first time in the States?

Caller 3 (01:42:13):
I came over when I was much younger, but with the way technology is now, I feel like I've got a Canon em M Mark sorry, Canon. Canon M 50, I think it is. I forget the exact one off the top of my head. So I feel like I'm gonna be able to get much better photos and things like that from what I did in, in the nineties. So yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:42:35):
<Laugh>, I guarantee you <laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. Actually film ain't bad though. I mean, that's probably what you used in the nineties. Hey Mark, have a wonderful trip. Yeah. We're so glad. If you're in the, if you're in the Petaluma area, knock on the door. We'll we'll give you, we don't, we don't tell anybody this, but we'll give you a quick tour.

Caller 3 (01:42:52):
I'll thank you. I'll try and drop by

Leo Laporte (01:42:53):
Sir. To squeak from the, the,

Mikah Sargent (01:42:55):
Yeah. Multiple people went.

Leo Laporte (01:42:57):
What? Only if I'm here, I'll give you a tour if I'm here and I'm not here. All right Mark, just email me ahead.

Mikah Sargent (01:43:02):
There was a si there's a collective sigh.

Caller 3 (01:43:04):
Will do.

Leo Laporte (01:43:05):
All right, mark. Good day babe. Thank you. Yep. And don't forgets. Krusty loves you. <Laugh>.

Mikah Sargent (01:43:12):
Yes. Some K Crusty. Yeah. For the listeners, he's wearing a Cresty shirt.

Leo Laporte (01:43:15):
Otherwise people go, what the hell is he talking about? <Laugh>, take Care Mark. Bye-Bye. See you later. Will do. Let me show you, actually, I've been talking about, yes, this has been selling. I've been pumping this up for a while. Let me show you some of the images that came out of this. This is, I, I, I can't give you a full review cause I just got it. But I will say initial impressions, a couple of initial impressions. One, this is the Galaxy S 23 Ultra. I was able to get it through Google Fi for 600 bucks, which about half the list price, you have to activate it through fi. But if you're a FI customer, that's actually a pretty good

Mikah Sargent (01:43:47):
Deal. Wow. That's a good

Leo Laporte (01:43:48):
For the top of the line flagship phone. The screen is, and I think everybody would agree that Samsungs are the, they have the best screens on the market. They make 'em. And this is an incredible o led screen with 120 hertz refresh. You could turn that off for better battery life, but I don't think you're gonna need to, cuz a battery life on this is, has been astounding. Really fantastic. But the biggest thing everybody these days talks about when you're buying a smartphone is the camera, right. This is Samsung's only a slight upgrade from their S 22 Ultra, which I also had. But the one big change is they now have a 200 X zoom. Jesus. I've used the 100 x zoom on this. It's digital past, I think 30 x. So don't, don't get, don't go crazy on it. But you do have, you know, these three lenses that give you and also the front facing lens that give you really good shots. Let me show you some of the pictures I took. We went out to the beach yesterday and I said, Lisa, we gotta go to the beach, cuz I gotta take some pictures. One of the things Samsungs do

Mikah Sargent (01:44:55):
We were in Bodega Bay yesterday.

Leo Laporte (01:44:56):
Oh, we, I'm sorry we missed you. We missed you. One of the things Sammy's do I've noticed is pop the colors a little bit. So the blues are a little bluer. There's a, what I thought was a classic Woody and in fact's, not a classic Woody. He's got a vtech engine in it. It's a a 1930 cow. But he, the guy was a woodworker and did his own wood on the side. So that's a kind of handmade woody, beautiful, beautiful vehicle. Whales were running. Maybe that's why you were out in Bodega Bay. So the whale watchers were out. These were tough shots because these were back lit with the sun. And so it made it very difficult. Now, some of these are quite zoomed. This is, I think the 10 x, those look good. And I have to say texture, the images are are quite good. With the zoom you can sneak up on people and get <laugh>, get pictures of them without, and even though bird, same thing with birds. With birds. Boy, it doesn't show, I'm looking at the the image info. It shows me the f stops and the shutter speed, but doesn't show me what lens. So I don't know if I pretty sure these are widely zoomed. Oh, that's okay. This is Lisa perching. Sh it does this to me. Makes me crazy.

Mikah Sargent (01:46:11):
That is a little scary. She

Leo Laporte (01:46:12):
Is, she is. I get so scared. She's such a daredevil. But you know what? She loves it and she does great. This is the portrait mode. And you see it's blurred the background, but it does a nice job, I think with the portrait

Mikah Sargent (01:46:24):
Mode. I was gonna say, cuz I would see a lot of times those smartphones would blur some of those rocks there and the foreground and the fact that it's not

Leo Laporte (01:46:31):
No, it's smart. Smart enough to cone no, with the fo focal plane is and get it right. It has a very wide angle. And then it has a, a telephoto, as I mentioned. I wanna show you kind of a trick shot I took. These are these, it was a beautiful day. You're right. This in the distance <laugh>, you can, you can see some people. I'm gonna zoom in just a little bit because I, I think, oh, this is, it's coming up. Hold on a second. I'm sorry. I keep taking pictures of Lisa. I apologize. I have a little smitten. Whoa. That's an example of a zoom. All right, so this is the boat we're taking a picture of, and this is, I believe, a hundred x zoom. And you see, it's, it's an optic, it's not optical, it's digital zoom. And so it's a little soft, but it's handy if you're trying to, you know, like, it's like binoculars. Yes. Right. Exactly. Yeah. If you're trying to get a distance shot, it's, it's can be very handy. So let me see here if I can I'm sorry I didn't edit these and I should have, Ooh, that one's cool.

Yeah, really was a, a pretty day. So Lisa asked, and you couldn't see this, but out here there's a, is that a boat? Is that an island? So I said, let's see, and I think it's an island <laugh> that is a hundred x zoom. Again, there's times when you want that. I noticed some, a family, you probably can't see them here down on the cliff, so I thought, well, let me see if I can zoom in a little bit. Ah, baby. Zoom in a little bit more. Nah, let, let's zoom in just a little bit more. There they are. And they're right there. Let's zoom in a little bit more. <Laugh>. Let's zoom in a little. Wait a minute. Let's zoom in a little bit more. Okay, that's, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Incredible. Wait a minute. Is this guy, is this guy taking my picture? Hey, knock it off, <laugh>. So it's pretty. Now that's, let me go back and show you because that's incredible. That is quite a bit of zoom. We're <laugh>, we're going, that's them right there. <Laugh>.

 and so that's, I think this might be the wide angle. I wish I had told me, I didn't realize it was gonna tell me which lens I was using, but as you zoom in, this is probably the be that's probably the, the detail on that one still. Yeah, that's probably the 30 x, which means we're still optical. You could see when it goes away from optical, it's gonna get a little softened. But still the fact that I could see that guy to make our faces. Yeah. About a, about 300 yards away. <Laugh>, we saw a plane fly by. We didn't know what that was. So one of the features of Android that I like a lot is something called Google Lens. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. I took that picture and I fed it to Google Lens and it told me, oh yeah, that's a military aircraft, that's a constellation transportation aircraft.

It identified that. Wow. That was a plane way up in the sky. This is an example of its low light performance. This was pre inside these trees. Very, very, very dark sunny day brightly lit outside. When I go into the trees, you can't even tell that that's gonna be dark in there. That is lots of detail coming through on that. So this, this does very well in low light as one would expect. Is that a person in tree? It looks like that might be a grandmother, Willow, grandmother Willow in that tree. So some, some beautiful shots. Let me see. I have some, oh, I thought this was cute. A father and daughter holding hands. Again, that's one where I saw it in the distance about that far away. And I said, let me see if I can get a better shot of them if I zoom in just a little bit. Let me see if I can find someone that I took with the iPhone as well. Okay. Same shot. That's the iPhone 14 Promax. And that's the Samsung mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, side by side. I, I think even side by side, it's hard to tell the difference. The blues

Mikah Sargent (01:50:21):
Are richer on the Samsung. There's, I often

Leo Laporte (01:50:23):
Notice they pop the blues and you see that's mentioning this. They tend to pop the blues and greens, which may be more satisfying, but as our photographer, aunt Pruitt will tell us is not natural. Yeah. And if you wanted to pop those, both cameras will shoot raw. So if you wanted to pop that, you could later in post Samsung has a very nice feature called Best Shot where they, and that you could see I wasn't using this in the iPhone. So this, the horizon is tilted a little bit. The Samsung best shot helps you get a un tilted horizon. And, you know, I, I trust my eye for composition a little bit better than the Samsung, but it is helpful, you know, especially this is a reminder. Yeah. Especially when you're taking a quick shot quickly, here's the best shot. And and it's an easy thing to do. So that's the iPhone as well. Yeah, the blue. Yeah. That's really where you can see it in the, in the blue of the sea here. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. It's not quite as blue, but probably more accurate.

Mikah Sargent (01:51:18):
More accurate to what you're seeing.

Leo Laporte (01:51:19):
Yeah. And I think that's one of the complaints people have about Sammy's is that they tend to pop the picture. 

Mikah Sargent (01:51:30):
Oh, I like that

Leo Laporte (01:51:31):
One. I I think the sand is quite beautiful there. It

Mikah Sargent (01:51:33):
Needs to look massive. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:51:34):
Yeah. That's, again, this is the, this is the ultra wide that they have. So you're getting a little bit of distortion and curvature on the, on that. And there's also a food filter, which does an interesting thing. It kind of does like a tilt shift til shift ish. Yeah. So with the food filter turned on, you say, what do you wanna focus on? And I said, well, I wanna focus on that, that cmar Actually these are, this is deep fried cauliflower. I wanna focus on that cauliflower wings right there. And so you see, even in the foreground, it's out of focus as in the background. So this is this very tight area focus, but it also heightens, I think the colors. I think that's a, that's a, that's an Instagramable food shot thanks to it. So there you have it.

A couple of shots using, there's quite a few. If you look at the camera, I'll show you here real quickly. There's quite a few options. Let's see if you can see that. There you go. Whoa. so this is, so normally you'll be shooting here in photo. It has a, you slide over for portrait slide over for video. Of course. It has a variety of settings and so forth. In, in, you know, 24 frame 60. But then it's got expert raw, pro, pro video night food, panorama, super slowmo, slowmo, hyperlapse. That's a, you know, a time lapse portrait video, which is kind of a cool idea. Director's view. Director's view sounds great. Let me show you what Director's u does. It puts you in the picture. Oh, <laugh>. Hi. I'm the director and this is my

Mikah Sargent (01:53:09):
Shot. Oh, and you get multiple views of the lenses too. Yes. That's nice.

Leo Laporte (01:53:14):
Yes. So actually that's kind of cool, isn't it? You can see the zoom, the medium and the wide, and you're gonna see yourself in there and you can move yourself around and so forth. I don't know if any, I don't know of any directors that would, is

Mikah Sargent (01:53:27):
It shooting them whenever you start recording? Like, which, which lenses end up getting?

Leo Laporte (01:53:34):
Oh, that's a good question. If I just record now, I guess I'll get all three.

Mikah Sargent (01:53:37):
Yeah. Is it gonna get all three of those files

Leo Laporte (01:53:39):
Or I think it's recording all three. I don't know. Let me switch back and forth and see what we got. I think you probably have to, I'm switching within the, within the video. Let's see what we're gonna see if I play it back. Yeah, I think probably, I don't know how you would, maybe if you used a special editing program. I could tell you. I don't know. That's a good question. Like I said, I only got this yeah, yesterday, so I haven't had a chance to work out with all this stuff. It's, it's, I, I am, I am very impressed camera wise. This is enough. And we've, aunt and I have talked about this, how long before you don't have to bring your pro gear out in the world when you go travel and so forth. I think we're pretty darn close now.

Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> to a pocket device. It's a very, I mean, it's a great phone. Samsung makes great hardware. It's a beautiful screen that can also give you enough camera flexibility, especially with that zoom. That was always the one thing I missed with a camera phone is, is getting a decent zoom. The optical zoom up to 30 is pretty darn, pretty darn good. So I'll have a full more more fulsome review after a week or so. I'd like to give myself some time with this. But I think so far very impressive. And if you can get it at 600, yeah, 600 <laugh>. That's, that's pretty tempting. Pretty tempting. Should we do some more calls? I wonder

Mikah Sargent (01:55:03):
If we should take a break first and then do some more

Leo Laporte (01:55:05):
Calls. I think you're smart. You're a wise, wise man. And of course I want to talk to you about how my night's sleep was, how was your night's sleep?

Mikah Sargent (01:55:15):
Excellent. <laugh>,

Leo Laporte (01:55:16):
<Laugh>, you seem perky bright as a button wide awake, ready to face the world, as am I. And we both have the eight sleep pod cover. So that tells you something. Good. Sleep is so important. It's the one thing, it's the, they say, and I think this is true. It's the one health thing you can do that really makes a big noticeable, absolutely immediate difference to your overall health and wellbeing. Getting a good night's sleep. It's, for some of us, it's the holy grail. For a lot of us, it's the impossible dream. <Laugh>. You know, you wake up in the middle of the night sweating, you're uncomfortable or you're cold. You know, you just, it's, it's hard to get a perfect night's sleep. And of course there's a lot of things that contribute to it. But I have to say, temperature might be the sa You did a lot of studying.

Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> for your sleep podcast. I would submit temperature might be the single most important thing. There's a lot of other things. Noise, light, the comfort of your bed and all of that. But if it, but when it comes down to temperature, nothing works better than the eight sleep. It really, not only does it keep you from getting too cold or too warm, it actually helps you get a deeper night's sleep. It turns out that as you go from waking to light sleep, to rem sleep, that dream sleep, and then finally into the most important stage of sleep, of which probably only a quarter of your time in bed is spent. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> is the deep sleep. That's the sleep where you're dead to the world. You are not dreaming, your brain is being cleaned. It's the cleaning cycle in your brain. All of the prions and the garbage is just cleaned out of it.

That's really the most important part. That deep sleep, it turns out, is facilitated by bringing the temperature down a little bit. Not that you're so cold that you're waking up freezing, but cold. A little chillier. And that's what the eight sleep does is so cool. They have an autopilot feature that you said initially. You say, I want to go to bed and I want to have it set it at five and then I want it to go down to three. And you get to, and then it watches, watches your tossing and turning, it watches the room temperature. It watches your breathing and it a adapts subtly adapts the temperature to facilitate deep sleep. So you'll notice as you use your eight sleep over the weeks and months that you use it, your deep sleep gets longer and longer. Of course, the eight sleep has all of those metrics built into it.

It's got sensors throughout it so it knows. And you can see in the morning how good your sleep was, how much movement you had, how much time you spent in deep sleep and so forth. And you'll see over time an increase it. In my case, there's about a 50% increase in deep sleep. Wow. I think it's about 30% is the average. That makes a big, big difference. The pod cover fits any mattress. They have a mattress too. You can get a mattress. We liked our mattress, so we just got the cover. We've had it for about a year now. And it allows you to adjust the temperature. Okay. On two sides. Right. So it's dual zone temperature. So you and your partner get your choice on both sides of the bed. It can be as cool as 55 degrees or as hot as 110 degrees.

Now that's a big difference. So in the summertime, for instance, if you're waking up with night sweats and just feeling icky, it's nice, it's refreshing. You get in bed and it's cool. In the winter, it's warm. That's the other thing I found. We don't have to heat the house at anymore or cool it in the summertime because the bed does it for you. You're comfortable in the bed. It adjusts throughout the night to limit the number of wake-ups to increase your deep sleep, to make you feel better. And I'll tell you what, in the morning, it's got a little vibration alarm that'll wake you up. I don't use that. I don't need it because I said it just warm up and I get, I wake up cuz someone's like, oh, it's cozy, comfy. I have to say this. The only negative, and I will be honest, there is a negative.

You don't want to get outta bed. It's so comfortable. It's so cozy, it's so wonderful. Better sleep. It's the health habit you'll love. Sticking to night after night. Wake up fully energized with the pod cover so you can face the world feeling great. Go to eight E i g h t s l e E P save $150 a checkout on the pod cover they currently ship. You'll be glad to know Mark in Australia, the select countries in the eu, the uk, Canada, and of course the US eight We thank 'em so much for supporting us. The tech guys, we love our sponsors. And of course we are very careful we pick them because we believe in them. We love them and we use them. And both Mikah and I and and aunt too are all happy eight sleep users. Was it hard for you to put on Ant? Did you have to lift the mattress? I think aunt's asleep. <Laugh>. He's focused, he's literally sleeping. Oh no. He woke up <laugh>.

That's okay. Nevermind. I don't wanna bother you aunt. I'm just wondering, did you, how did you sleep last night? Did you sleep well? Like a full grizzly bear. Like a grizzly bear. You know, that's grizzly bears. They go in the cave in the winter and they sleep really well cuz it's a little chilly. I swear to God. There's something going on there. Yeah. It sleeps even when there's no eight sleep. All right, let's <laugh>, I'm just teasing you. Let's go on with the show. We've got a few more minutes before we wrap things up. What do you want to do? Your choice? Should we take a call? One more call. We got everybody else to call. I got calls. I got calls. Wait a minute. Let me look at the Zoom. We have video calls. I love it that Eric is still driving. Eric, did you show us the view out the window for a while? Because it looked like you were driving. It looked like that. The pen Gillette game. Where? They're Las Vegas. Desert Bus. Desert Bus. They're driving from Las Vegas. There it is. Look at that. Can you see that? Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, he's, he looks like he's driving from Las Vegas to Los Angeles. <Laugh>.

I love it. All right. He, we don't have to talk to you, you, you, you, you didn't, you didn't want to talk. But we do want to go to Portugal. All the way to Portugal and the man get it from Portugal. <Laugh> John is on the line. You know there's a band. There's a guy band Portugal. Yeah. Yeah. Portugal. Demand. Okay. Just, just making sure you Oh yeah. Got good joke. Good, good joke. Can't hear him. All right, we'll take a Hello.

Caller 4 (02:01:39):
Oh, hello.

Mikah Sargent (02:01:40):
Hello. Hello. We can hear you suddenly. It's

Leo Laporte (02:01:42):
A miracle.

Caller 4 (02:01:43):

Leo Laporte (02:01:45):

Caller 4 (02:01:45):
John. This work.

Leo Laporte (02:01:46):
Yay. How you doing? How's life in the Algarve?

Caller 4 (02:01:51):
It's great.

Leo Laporte (02:01:52):
So jealous. What town is that behind you there?

Caller 4 (02:01:56):
That is a picture of KKE, which is outside of Lisbon.

Leo Laporte (02:02:01):
Nice. Gonna be there in a couple of months. I'm, yeah. First time in Portugal. We're going to a on a cruise from Lisbon to Rome, but we're gonna spend a few days in Lisbon to get to get to know the city a little bit. Looks beautiful. I can't wait. So what can we what can we do to help you, John?

Caller 4 (02:02:20):
I've been having problems with express V p n from the standpoint of when I use Chrome, it it throws up multiple captions. Huh? Only when I'm on the vpn.

Leo Laporte (02:02:37):
Yeah. I could tell you about that. I could tell you about that. That's not Express VPN's fault. That's Google saying, who the hell are you?

Caller 4 (02:02:45):
<Laugh>? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:02:46):
What are you doing

Caller 4 (02:02:47):
Here? Suspicious activity.

Leo Laporte (02:02:48):
Suspicious activity. And in a way that underscores mm-hmm. <Affirmative> the benefit of using a V P N. Google wants to know who you are so they can keep track of everything you do. And if you're coming in from a new IP address, it knows it's still you cuz you're logged into your Google. Right? this is, Google's great trick was, well, you want to use YouTube, you want to use Gmail, you want to use any of our services, log in and you know, we won't make you log in again and again. We'll keep you logged in. We'll put a cookie on your drive. Google keeps track of this, proves Google keeps track of where you log in from All of a sudden you're logging in from a different country cuz you're in Portugal, but you're using Express vpn n I presume to watch TV in America or, or do something in America, right? Bang.

Caller 4 (02:03:34):
Yes, yes, yes. For tv. Mostly.

Leo Laporte (02:03:36):
So, so Google says, well, you were in Portugal, now you're in the us you better solve this caption to prove this isn't some sort of malicious activity. So that's why, and you know what? It's gonna happen. There's nothing you can do about it and

Mikah Sargent (02:03:48):
It's gonna happen anywhere. I've had this one, I have express VPN turned on from Los Angeles, the Los Angeles location. It will do the same thing to me. And I think part of it too is not only just Google wanting to know who you are, but if the system that is not run by a human being sees multiple people coming from this same ip, it starts to wonder, is this a bot? Is this, you know, may

Leo Laporte (02:04:12):
Or is this bot that may be more the reason. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (02:04:14):
So I've had that and anytime I use the San Francisco one, because that's the one that we're closer to, I don't have that issue because I guess not as many people are using that one. But yeah, Los Angeles in particular, it starts to get quizzical and it's like, okay, there are a lot of people coming from this address. Is this a denial of service attack or are you actually

Leo Laporte (02:04:30):
Real? That's interesting. That makes a lot of sense.

Caller 4 (02:04:32):
Oh yeah, because I tend to use the the default ones like New Jersey, New York.

Leo Laporte (02:04:36):
So try using a different locale and see if, if it's better, yeah. That will be a less used ip. But Google's smart. I don't think they use any one signal. Right? They're, they, I mean, it's all algorithmic and they have a variety of signals and there's probably a score. And if you go above a certain threshold, it's gonna say, well, we've gotta take an extra step to make sure you're, you so it, but, but that's a good thing. I didn't even think of that. Makes a lot of sense. Use a lesser known IP address. Go, go to one of the addresses that's less used. One of the things I like about Express VPN n I should have mentioned at the front, they're our sponsor. But one of the things I like about 'em is that they rotate IPS a lot because you know, like BBC's iPlayer, you probably see this, we even in our own chat, we will block VPNs. The only way we know it's a VPN is because you're coming from a known IP address. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> a known VPN IP address. So if they use new IP addresses a lot, you'll get less of this Google complaint. You know, you'll be able to get into iPlayer, you'll be able to get into our, our chat room and stuff like that. So that's one way, one possible remedy. Don't go through the first thing it chooses for you. Try try because that's gonna

Mikah Sargent (02:05:48):

Leo Laporte (02:05:48):
Most people are doing. See what, see everybody comes in through, see if that works.

Caller 4 (02:05:51):
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Leo Laporte (02:05:52):
Just tell my what, first of all, it's nine o'clock at night. Yeah. Or nine or 10.

Caller 4 (02:05:57):
Yeah. 9 21. Yeah. I'm just chilling on the couch.

Leo Laporte (02:06:00):
Nice. Was it a beautiful day in Portugal?

Caller 4 (02:06:03):
Yeah, it was perfect. It was like 19 degrees or beautiful. It would be about 60.

Leo Laporte (02:06:09):
That's perfect. Yeah. Yeah, it was perfect. Very nice.

Caller 4 (02:06:14):
Yeah. I've got, Hey, I've got one more burning question for you guys. Yes, sir. Real quick. Is it safe to use the logins for when, when websites ask you to log in with Facebook or Google

Leo Laporte (02:06:28):
Safe is Yes. It's safe. Yeah.

Mikah Sargent (02:06:31):
Wrong word. I think

Leo Laporte (02:06:32):
<Laugh>, is it private? No. Yeah.

Caller 4 (02:06:34):
It, it scares me. It just, it's doesn't seem secure. Secure as, as it's

Leo Laporte (02:06:39):
No, no, no. Okay. In that regard, it is secure. Secure. It's very secure. In fact, it might be more secure than using a password. However I don't do it. And the reason I don't do it is because it gives them information. There's other issues too. If you lost your Google account or you lost your Facebook account through no fault of your own if they decide, well, this guy's living in Portugal, you must be a terrorist. Then all of a sudden you'll lose all those logins as well. I prefer to maintain my own logins. But if the question is, is it safe? Yes. In that regard, it's more secure than you using a password. These are well run, you know, companies, they're using something called OAuth, O A U T H to do it. And it's a, it's a well known universal standard. It's an open standard that works quite well. So Facebook, Twitter, Google all do it. And yeah, it's reliable. Yeah. It's a convenience

Mikah Sargent (02:07:30):
And it's super convenient. Yeah. The, the, the reason I don't use it is specifically the privacy thing. I just don't want Google knowing the nine different sites where it's offering me to log in using Google. Right. I would rather just manage that myself.

Leo Laporte (02:07:43):
Yeah. I'm increasingly de Googling mm-hmm. <Affirmative> my life. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I've moved to Neva as my search engine. N E E V A. It's a paid search engine with no advertising. I've moved off Gmail. I've, you know, in, I don't use Google calendars or contacts anymore. I'm slowly de googling my life. Unfortunately, the company <laugh> Yeah. Uses Google Workspaces. So I do have to maintain some Google presence, but I think it is possible, you know was it Kevin, Russ or New York Times reporter some years ago? No, no, it wasn't. It was oh, I've forgotten who. But she decided not to see if she could not use Google. And it was virtually impossible. Yeah. Virtually impossible several years ago to, to de Google your life. I think it's getting easier and easier. She wanted to get all the big tech cashmere Hill, all the big tech out of her life and at the time, not doable. Anyway, that's, that's down a side path. Yes. Use it. So,

Caller 4 (02:08:39):
So is that, do you, is Neva better than like brave and those types of

Leo Laporte (02:08:42):
So Brave is a browser and it has its own search engine. I haven't used the Brave Search engine much. I use Neva for two reasons. One, it's former Googlers started this and they've been doing it for some time. So their index is very good. I find Nevas search is just as good as Google's search, but there are no ads. And so there's no conflict of interest either. The problem with Google is it has a little bit of a conflict of interest. It has all these things that would like to show you like YouTube. And so I don't, I don't want that bias in introduced into the search results. So that's why I use Neva. They also have an ai engine at the top that gives you AI search results that I, and they did this before Bing or anybody else. And that's pretty good.

It's a great summary of what you might find if you, if you clicked on some of the links below. It has a lot of additional features, including by the way a I think a year free of, of one of last pass or dash lane and a year free of a vpn. I believe it has some nice additional stuff and fi for five bucks a month. So yeah, I've been trying it and I'm, I actually like it quite a bit. The only downside to it is it's not as fast as Google. Google's remarkable that comes up with the answer to your search query in less than a second. Most times. I mean, almost instantaneously. And you'll notice, oh, it takes a second or two for Neva, which we're so used to the instant results I've gotten, I've gotten over that. Yeah.

I like Neva. It's worth, it's worth it. But Nevas not alone. They're now more and more competition for Google. It's very interesting is, which uses also an ai. There there's EIA Echo, which is designed to plant trees because as we, as you may know, every time you use anything, any kind of cloud service, it's, it's using energy, it's, it's adding carbon to the atmosphere. So a OIA or a oci, I don't know how you pronounce it, is designed to kind of do carbon offsets for that and a lot of new choices. And even Bing, I have to say, now that Bing has chat is an interesting choice. I think Bing has the same conflict of interest unfortunately mm-hmm. That Google does. I don't, I think in the long run I'm gonna prefer to use a search engine that is not ad supported because I want my search results to be as, as, as far as possible. Completely agnostic. Yep. Right. Hey, it's a pleasure talking to you. I hope you have a wonderful evening and enjoy some fine Porto wine and we'll talk to you again. Cja. Take care.

I can't say that <laugh>. I can't. I did. It's a hard language. All I can say is [inaudible] <laugh> [inaudible] we have time for one more. Why don't we do a video? A

Mikah Sargent (02:11:24):
Video from email?

Leo Laporte (02:11:25):
Yeah, yeah.

Video Caller 2 (02:11:28):
Hey, I'm Eric from Wisconsin. We got a blizzard outside today and one of my projects is trying to get rid of Yahoo Mail. I want to have all my Yahoo mail go to Gmail, so I follow the directions. But now it says you have to have a Yahoo Plus account in order to forward all your mail automatically. I don't want to buy into Yahoo. I really don't wanna get rid of Gmail either. I know there's fast mail and other things that you guys like, but I just wanna know how I can dump Yahoo and have everything end up in Gmail. And from now on have all my people re respond, respond to me at Gmail. Thanks for your help on this one. Listen to you guys all the time when I'm walk walking the dog. No dog walking today though. <Laugh>. Thanks guys. I thought

Leo Laporte (02:12:27):
Eric was gonna play for us. Darnt

Mikah Sargent (02:12:29):
It. I know. I was

Leo Laporte (02:12:30):
Like, I was waiting for him to use that trumpet. He's holding a trumpet the whole time. <Laugh>, next time I want to hear the trumpet. Yeah. Well there's two ways to do this. You can have Yahoo forward the mail to Gmail, or you can have Gmail log into your Yahoo mail account and get it. And I think that would work even without Yahoo.

Mikah Sargent (02:12:46):
That's Yeah. I suggest doing it all from the Google side because then you shouldn't have to have that Yahoo Plus account. I, that's honestly, that is very upsetting. If Yahoo is doing that, if they're now

Leo Laporte (02:12:58):
Making, well, they don't want you to move. Right.

Mikah Sargent (02:13:00):
Right. But why don't they, because they don't,

Leo Laporte (02:13:02):
Like, they don't really want, wanna do emails, they don't wanna be in the business. It's clear. So the if you go into the pop and email settings in Google, you can ha have Google Act like a mail client, like your mail on your desktop or your Thunderbird or whatever you use and go out and fetch the mail. And Yahoo from Yahoo's point of view, I don't think it could stop that or, or charge you for that because it's like any other email client. Exactly. Just logging in and getting the mail. The advantage of doing that is you just use one email account, your Gmail account, and it will fetch mail from any other account. Not just Yahoo, but any other account you want. So go in the pop and email settings on Gmail and set that up. And you should be good. Hey, I wanna, you know, he now has his hand raised the the other Eric, but I just, I wanna go to you just to see where you're driving to and then we're gonna wrap things up, Eric, on the road to somewhere. And actually it looks like such a straight highway that I don't, I'm not worried about you running into anything. Hi, Eric.

Caller 5 (02:14:01):
How's it going? Can you hear me? Yeah, yeah, we hear

Leo Laporte (02:14:03):
You great. Sound great.

Caller 5 (02:14:05):
I just wanna say I, I've been watching your show for listen to this show for a very long time. I actually visited the Brick House in 2016 and I got a picture sitting in your chair with you next to me wearing that that funny hat, I forget what it's called. The

Leo Laporte (02:14:21):

Caller 5 (02:14:22):
The Fe. Truly enjoy that, that experience.

Leo Laporte (02:14:26):

Caller 5 (02:14:26):
That's so great.

Leo Laporte (02:14:27):
Where are you driving to?

Caller 5 (02:14:29):
I'm headed to St. George, Utah. I'm gonna be rolling to Vegas right now in like two minutes. That's right in front of me. I thought

Leo Laporte (02:14:36):
It looked a little like the Vegas area. Yeah. <laugh>. How nice. Yeah.

Caller 5 (02:14:41):
Yeah. And I'm using, I know for the longest time on your radio show you, you always recommended parrot headsets. Yeah. The truck drivers.

Leo Laporte (02:14:48):
Listen to how good that

Caller 5 (02:14:49):
Sounds. I am a truck. I'm, I'm not using parrot. I'm actually using the open. I'm actually using shots. I thought

Leo Laporte (02:14:55):
I I love the shocks. Yeah. I have the open cars. Alex Lindsay recommended those, that

Caller 5 (02:15:00):
That's what I'm talking around the open con. They're absolutely amazing

Leo Laporte (02:15:03):
And very comfortable and safe to use while you're driving cuz they don't go in your ear.

Caller 5 (02:15:08):
Right. I, I have, I have sensitive ears and I've tried many in ear and over the ear headsets and they all bother me within about an hour. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> of wearing 'em. Yes. So I, I switched away from them and I got turned onto these, I don't remember how bottom 'em right away and they work amazing. You can wear these for like eight hours a day and you don't even feel like you have 'em on.

Leo Laporte (02:15:29):
So, and I hear no, zero road noise. It sounds really good. Yeah, it's kind wild. Yeah.

Caller 5 (02:15:34):
Yeah. I, there's some wind. My cab's pretty quiet. There's just some wind noise around me, but

Leo Laporte (02:15:39):
You're driving without a, well you're driving without a load today. I see.

Caller 5 (02:15:44):
No, I got a, I got a trailer behind me and Oh I'm, I carry lumber up to St. George, Utah and I'll deliver it tomorrow on the way back to Southern California. That's

Leo Laporte (02:15:52):
Hard though. But I

Caller 5 (02:15:53):
Do have a question if you have time, but I

Leo Laporte (02:15:55):
Oh sure. Why not? Go ahead, <laugh>. I love riding in the cab with you. I know, it's great.

Caller 5 (02:16:00):
<Laugh>. Yeah, no, don't worry. I have my GPS up, so I got my eyes on the road. So I'm using an iPad mini pro I think it is. Good. And I use it with the trucker G ps. Nice. And it's amazing cuz I could, I usually listen to you guys to your show on YouTube live you to get the show. Yeah. I, I will have to say the audio's better on YouTube when you're streaming on, on Sunday than it is on Zoom, but well, either, either of 'em work fine. Yeah, yeah,

Leo Laporte (02:16:29):
Yeah. Youtube

Caller 5 (02:16:29):
Should, but I'm able to minimize it and just keep my GPS up and it works. Perfect.

Leo Laporte (02:16:33):
Good. Wonderful.

Caller 5 (02:16:35):
To go back to my question, so I was fortunate enough to buy a house that, that was networked. Basically it had ethernet in every room. And I used orbi mesh routers, and I have them all hardwired, so they're all backlogged to the network. Perfect. And it works amazing. And I try and keep as many devices as I can hardwired to my network at home. And I have fiber, so everything works great. But one thing I'm not sure about was, I, I oftentimes, if I'm adding something, I'm running out of ethernet ports, even with the orb and their satellites because they only have one or two ports on the back, so I run switches. Right. but I don't buy the really expensive big switches with, you know, 20 ports. I, I have smaller net gear ones, I think have like six or eight. Yeah. But my question is how many internet switches can you, can an internet switch switch <laugh>? How many

Leo Laporte (02:17:30):
Can, you can put as many as you want on

Caller 5 (02:17:33):
You, you can daisy chain 'em as

Leo Laporte (02:17:35):
As days. Yeah. I mean, I think it depends on the IP pool you have. You're probably limited to 255 devices, but still you can have plenty because the switches are powered and most switches do some management. You, you don't have an issue. In fact, if you really want to add to it, you could use managed switches and then create VLANs and you'd have an unlimited supply.

Caller 5 (02:17:57):
Okay. I wasn't sure. I I was always afraid to add another switch to get more port without having to buy a new switch that was bigger with more ports and, and then screw up my, I thought my nail,

Leo Laporte (02:18:06):
The only limit is the number of IP addresses you can support. Scooter X is 253. I've

Mikah Sargent (02:18:11):
Got three eight port switches running in different parts of my neck. 24 ports. Yeah. So one of them is connected directly from my router. The or actually two of them are and then I've got a third one that is being run via a MOCA adapter. And I have no problems with, even with all of that complexity, those three different eight port switches all work just fine on my network at home.

Caller 5 (02:18:36):
Okay. excellent, Elle, thank you.

Leo Laporte (02:18:38):
Hey, it's great to see now. I understand. I thought you didn't have a load, but actually, because you do have a load, the, your rear screen looks like a is a mirror and that's why Yeah. It was Cups coming towards you is very good now. Now I understand. Very nice.

Caller 5 (02:18:52):
And, and here's Vegas. Vegas is right here.

Leo Laporte (02:18:55):
Oh, that's great. Yeah, we were looking at over on your left there, the Dean Martin Towers. We were thinking about a condo there. Anyway, <laugh>, that's great. That's <laugh> got a great view. That really looks good. What is the camera? Is that the iPads camera?

Caller 5 (02:19:12):
Th this is the iPad. I running all iPad it. Earlier when I, I I I normally just use YouTube and watch you live. That's good. But I had to stop anyway for a break, so I stopped and I said, you know, I'm gonna try the Zoom, but I had to, I'm so glad you go switch over my, I had to switch over my Bluetooth. Everything of my headset was, I couldn't do that while I'm driving. Cause I, I run my iPhone and my iPad, but the iPad's typically just for listening to the, it's, it's, it's paired to this truck so I can listen through the truck stereo for, you know, audio. And then I just run the gps. But I had to switch it all over during my break, but Very nice. It's twerking now, so.

Leo Laporte (02:19:44):
Very nice. I have a I have a 64 port switch on my radar. Holy god. Probably with some power over ethernet, eh? Yeah. P oe. And then I have at each base station where every TV is and every desk is, I have a four at eight port router, so I don't even know how many ports Oh, more word. But I have plenty. It's, it's, it's on virtually unlimited just to the number of IP addresses you can have. Hey, a real pleasure talking to you. Drive safe. Have a great trip. Thank you. And we'll talk to you soon.

Caller 5 (02:20:14):
Next week. Bye. All

Leo Laporte (02:20:15):
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Professor Laura! (02:25:38):

Leo Laporte (02:25:39):
What? Wait a minute. That's my office.

Professor Laura! (02:25:42):

Leo Laporte (02:25:43):
Wait a minute. That's Kim Schaffer. Are you Laura Jimenez? The board op. Who's running Rich Tomorrow Show? What the heck is going on? <Laugh>? Oh yeah, it's Sunday. Hi, that's, that's Laura. That's Professor Laura. Professor Laura, our musical director. And and Kim Schaffer there and she's holding Lily the beautiful pup. Well, so nice to see you.

Professor Laura! (02:26:08):
Nice to see you. Well, I mean,

Leo Laporte (02:26:10):
You're in the other room. <Laugh>.

Professor Laura! (02:26:13):
That's a really cool office. I wish I was here more often.

Leo Laporte (02:26:16):
Yeah. See that's where I was broadcasting from all that time. I'm sorry. I'm gonna air it out in a while. Yeah. <laugh>. Oh Lord.

Professor Laura! (02:26:23):
Yeah. Now it's a little suspicious in here. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (02:26:29):
<Laugh>. Laura what, what brings you up here?

Professor Laura! (02:26:33):
To visit friends, my internet friends. Nice. I would say any defense that's, I've never met you guys.

Leo Laporte (02:26:39):
We have never, professor Laura worked my show for more than a year. I how long, how many years did you work on the tech guy show?

Professor Laura! (02:26:48):
Three years.

Leo Laporte (02:26:49):
Three years as musical director. That's longer than anybody. And of course she was a huge part of the show. Cause she played all like great music and pushed the buttons and lots of references when people passed away. She was good. Yeah, she's, she was very good. Are you still working there for the Premier Radio networks?

Professor Laura! (02:27:08):
I am. Not anymore. I'm a free agent.

Leo Laporte (02:27:10):
She's moved on. She's moved on. And and, and Kim though is right. Kim, you're still doing call screening for Rich?

Professor Laura! (02:27:19):
I am working with Rich every Saturday from 11 to two.

Leo Laporte (02:27:22):
Nice. Do you do it from in your jammies?

Professor Laura! (02:27:26):
I do. It's so nice. Learn set for 10 50, get things set up and <laugh> go.

Leo Laporte (02:27:35):
Oh wow. No commute. So they, I they should have told me the call was coming from inside the house. Inside the house. Yeah. it is so great to see you both and I miss, I do miss working with both of you. That was a lot of fun. Same. I appreciate it. Thanks. Well, I'll come out and see you after the show.

Professor Laura! (02:27:53):
Yeah. <laugh>,

Leo Laporte (02:27:54):
<Laugh>, Laura and Kim. Ladies and gentlemen. Thank you Laura. And that is a great way to wrap up this Saturday Sunday edition of Ask the Tech Guys episode 1962. I wonder what Laura would be playing from 1962 for this. Unfortunately, unlike the radio stations, we don't have the rights to play actual music, so you'll just have to hum tiptoe through the tulips in your head or whatever. <Laugh>, whatever. It's that it was a big hit. It sure was an Elvis song in 1962. Thank you everybody for being here. Again, though, if you wanna send us an email question and I, I apologize, we want to get to more of those. We will, as we get better at doing all of this, ask the tech We'll be back next Sunday. You can call us using You'll find Mikah Sargent on iOS today. That's every Tuesday morning, 9:00 AM Pacific noon Eastern, and every Thursday on Tech News Weekly with Jason Howell.

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