All About Android 622, Transcript

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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up on All About Android. It's me, Jason Howell, Joined by Ron Richards and Huyen Tue Dao. We've got updates on security vulnerabilities involving Pixel Markup and Exynos. Pretty serious stuff that you want to hear about there. More Pixel 8 renders. We got Google Glass Enterprise Edition going away for good. Also, Project Jacquard might be going away. Pocketcasts finally come into Wear OS and the AI era of Google Workspace, plus your feedback coming up next on All About Android

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This is All About Android episode 622 recorded Tuesday, March 21st, 2023 Mid-Range Musketeers. This episode of All About Android is brought to you by ACI Learning. If you love ITPro, you'll love ACI Learning. ACI Learning offers fully customizable training for your team and formats for all types of learners across audit, cybersecurity, and IT from entry level training to putting people on the moon, ACI Learning has got you covered. Visit go.acilearning.com/twit to learn more, and by HPE GreenLake, orchestrated by the experts at CDW. Who can help you consolidate and manage all your data in one flexible edge to cloud platform to scale and innovate. Learn more at cdw.com/hpe. Hello and welcome to All About Android, your weekly source, the latest news, hardware and apps for the Android Faithful. I'm Jason Howell.

Ron Richards (00:01:44):
And I'm Ron Richards.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:01:46):
And I'm Huyen Tue Dao.

Jason Howell (00:01:47):
Now and we are reunited and it feels so good. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Ron Richards (00:01:52):
So sorry I missed last week. I, I, you know, I, I hate to miss a show, but it's all good. But yeah, family was calling, so Yeah, for both of us, right? Huyen, right? Both of us. Yeah, both of us family stuff,

Jason Howell (00:02:03):
You know, sometimes life happens and it's all good. That's why there are, you know, not just the three of us, but we've got Flo. We've got Mishaal, Adam Dow dropped in last week.

Ron Richards (00:02:15):
I'm so mad at missed Adam. I love Adam. It was, it was very funny cuz while we were doing, while you were doing the show, I was with my father and I had mentioned, I was like, ah, I had to skip doing the podcast. And he is like, oh, you've been doing that for a while now, right? I'm like, yeah, he is. Like, how long has that been going for? And I was like, ah, 11 years

Jason Howell (00:02:31):
<Laugh>. And he is like, not as long as your other podcast. Yeah,

Ron Richards (00:02:36):
Yeah, exactly. <Laugh>. So yeah, it was, it was kind of funny. So, yeah. Yeah. That's a great dad thing to say. Good time.

Jason Howell (00:02:43):
Yeah, right. <Laugh>, my parents are they, they've been over the years equally as clueless as far as what I do. You know, <laugh>. Yeah, <laugh>. Like someone, you know, when someone asks me what you do, and I, I just have a really hard time answering that question. Like, it's not, not to understand, it's like radio, but on the internet, that's about all it is. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So

Ron Richards (00:03:05):
It's like, it's like radio, but on the internet, <laugh>, it's, what year is it? It's 2005.

Jason Howell (00:03:11):
I mean, that, I'm trying to put it in terms that like, they'll be like, oh, okay, now I know how to explain it. Next time my friend says, what does your son do for a living? You know? Right. Just say, it's like talk radio, but on the internet, that's all you need to say. And with video, if people by now don't understand what podcasting is, I think a lot more people know. But anyways, apparently not. <Laugh> we've got a lot of a lot of stories this week. Thanks. Yeah. This, this doc filled up quite nicely. So why don't we get right to it? Burke, I know that you didn't have your ghost writer working for you behind the scenes, so I'm really curious to hear what you come up with when I say it's time for the news.

Burke (00:03:54):
Well, unlike ChatGPT in pre-show I'm not gonna fluff the news. We're just gonna get right to you and enjoy the news.

Jason Howell (00:04:02):
Okay. All, well, I guess if you're here for pre-show, you know what he's talking about. Also, if you're a Club TWiT member, you can probably get it in your TWIT plus podcast feed.

Ron Richards (00:04:10):
Lot of fun chatGPT talk in the pre-show. And Bard. Google's Bard. What it is, it, who knows? We'll find out. I'm on the wait list, you know, we'll see what it is.

Jason Howell (00:04:19):
I'm on the wait list

Ron Richards (00:04:19):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>. But we have some interesting stuff about Android 13 QPR2 March security update here. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> there's a lot of security updates packed inside there. Everybody, a lot of 'em. I'm gonna do my best Mishaal impression here. But so the first the first security update in there is called "aCropalypse", I can't even say

Jason Howell (00:04:44):
Acropalypse. Yeah, I think you said it correct. Acropalypse.

Ron Richards (00:04:47):
Acropalypse. So screenshots cropped using the built-in markup app on Google Pixel devices may be retroactively, uncropped and unredacted under many circumstances. Ooh,

Jason Howell (00:04:59):
That's not good.

Ron Richards (00:05:01):
That's not good. You crop something outta the screenshot using the pixel markup utility, and then you share that image. Someone on the other end can partially recover the cropped area. The top 20% of the image is corrupted, but the remainder of the image, including a photo of the credit card with its number visible, is fully recovered in the example. Ooh. Which is, this reminds me of, do you remember the old Photoshop? Yes. Save the preview. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Jason Howell (00:05:27):
Yeah. Because there would always be like an embedded thumb thumbnail preview or something like that. And if you knew that you could open it up and view that embedded image that,

Ron Richards (00:05:36):
And I believe a certain former personality on tech TV got a kind of revealed in a way that they didn't wanna be. I'll let you Google it and look for that, but I'm sure Leo remembers this. This is talking about, talking about doing the show for a long time. This is like back in like '04, '05.

Jason Howell (00:05:51):
Yeah. A long time ago. Yeah. Right, right.

Ron Richards (00:05:52):
Long time ago. Yeah. But, but this, it reminds me very much of that. Is that, so like the, it's when you crop the image, it's making the crop, but it's saving the original data, which

Jason Howell (00:06:01):
Is crazy. I mean, I, I'm, I'm no image expert. I don't know if any of us are, but I just don't understand, like, why is that even possible? Like if you're cropping an image, aren't you getting rid of the data? Like how is it still there, but hiding <laugh>?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:06:17):
Well, usually with like with image files, a lot of times there's like certain like bits like bites, like at the start of a file that kind of tell you what kind of file it is. And often and I presume at the end of the file there are is other information that lets you know, here's the end of the image. Yeah. but that still doesn't like a marker.

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Like a marker. Like a marker. Exactly. Yeah. Just like, there's a file header that tells like often, oh, this is a bit map. Oh, this is a PNG, this is the kind of encoding, yada, yada. And I think it's been a while. I used to actually do a bit of like image file format creeping like poking around and presumably there is the e either, so either the infor the metadata that's in the file let's a file reader know, hey, there's like X number of bits and it's like this large, right? So it knows, like a regular image reader might know, Hey, I need to read in just X number of bites. Right? And then here's your image. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, but it either, and I'm not sure, this is just my, the gap of my knowledge of Yeah. And here's a really great image of it from the article. Either at the end of the file, either there's a endof file marker, or it's literally just that the header is telling a regular image reader just reads so many bites and it know, and, and it, and the, the reader just knows not to go past, you know, X number of bytes. I'm not sure which it is. My bad. Someone's probably gonna like write us email telling us exactly what it is. Or I can probably look it up later.

Jason Howell (00:07:36):
That's okay. It's an opportunity for email of the week.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:07:38):
Yeah. For email of the week. But yeah, so basically if you know that there's some original data there, you could certainly take this file and, you know, just straight up read the bites and then use, you know, some kind of magic to recreate the original part of the image. Because all, all it is is just instructions, just like anything else, the programming. So if you are given a recipe and someone gives you 12 eggs and the recipe just says to use six eggs, there's still 12 eggs there. So if you are like, you know, an nefarious cook or something, you, you zoom candy, you're

Jason Howell (00:08:07):
Only seeing eggs three.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:08:08):
Exactly. Yeah. Hmm. Hmm. My, my, my metaphor broke down that it's basically just that, you know, there's, it, it's because you give the reader instructions and sometimes if you're nefarious you could like, you know, go off book and read more than you're supposed to. Yeah. 

Jason Howell (00:08:24):
I can understand why this may have been possible. I don't understand why it's still possible, you know what I mean? <Laugh>, like, like if the information's still there and all that's happening is, Hey, don't read before this point. Trust me, don't you know? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, trust me, the app to not read before this point. I mean, obviously that doesn't work, <laugh>, it's

Huyen Tue Dao (00:08:45):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>,

Jason Howell (00:08:45):
It's, yeah, because it can be recovered. Like if I as a user crop out data, make that stuff that I cropped out not be there anymore, it's period.

Burke (00:08:54):
It's a non-destructive edit is what it is. Why? Yeah. It's like, it's just, it's, it's a layer of data there that instead of giving you the screenshot of an actual change image, it's like markups. Like, oh, but the image is the image zoomed in with like whatever scoo marks I put over, but not flattened into an actual image type of thing.

Jason Howell (00:09:13):
Right, right, right.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:09:15):
It, it could be like a memory saving optimization, because often when you're working with images, it costs a lot of, you know, ram and depending on the device you're on, you might be have like special, you know, memory saving techniques, like reusing memory that does happen. And that could even happen like on a file system. So it might be that, I think in the article it stated that, if you like, so certain things like, I think this happened on Discord or Discord, this happened on Discord, but not on Twitch or not, sorry, not on Twitter. And that might be because the way that Twitter is handling the images, they do maybe do some optimization because maybe they stretch out because they, yeah, yeah. Cuz they're processing it cuz they're uploading it to their, you know, server and they want to save space. So they probably might do like some optimization on upload, whereas, I don't know, maybe Discords just more like, has a different algorithm for, I don't

Jason Howell (00:10:04):
Know. Yeah. It's interesting.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:10:05):
But yeah, it's

Jason Howell (00:10:06):
Interesting. You know, what it also reminds me of is I've always had, not always, but for many, many years had location data turned off in my camera app because inevitably I'm gonna share an image somewhere out there, and I'm gonna forget to strip the location data and then that's gonna reveal some information that I don't want to be out there. Like, I don't trust the system to do this, and it's kind of similar to this, right? Like, but I didn't realize, like, I've used markup a lot and I have cropped things and then shared them out. I'd be curious to, you know, pull that down and see like, what the heck is out there. You know? I

Ron Richards (00:10:41):
Mean, the, the thing is like, like I'm, I do use it all the, like, literally all the time because I crop out, like I take screenshots and cro out the other crap or things like that. Yeah. But like, I'm not doing this for credit cards. Right. You know what I mean? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, like, like that's the thing. Like, I'm not, I, I, I, I'm, I'm using it like for jokes to send them a

Jason Howell (00:10:58):
Yeah. Or like, here's part of the webpage or here's an image. It's just easier for me to screenshot it and crop out instead of download the image to my, my folder and whatever. Mm-Hmm.

Ron Richards (00:11:09):
<Affirmative>. So once again, this is like, it's a scary thing to think about when I think about how I'm actually using the tool. I don't care. You know what I mean? Right.

Jason Howell (00:11:14):
But yeah, totally. Me too. Yeah. I'm definitely not using it for credit cards or anything sensitive.

Ron Richards (00:11:19):
Everybody's mileage may vary, so. Totally. But so the, it doesn't stop there though. It doesn't stop there. Oh,

Jason Howell (00:11:24):
Joy

Ron Richards (00:11:25):
<Laugh>. There's a severe series of XOs modem vulnerabilities. In fact, they're so severe that Google recommends disabling voice of V O L T, voiceover, l t and wifi calling until it's fully patched, I guess. So many Google News alerts saying Google tells you to turn off wifi calling. There are

Jason Howell (00:11:45):
18. Yeah, I just got a, I've got a message from Im mobile actually, both text message and then I also got an email.

Ron Richards (00:11:51):
Yeah. 18 zero day vulnerabilities in Samsung's EXOS chips. Most allow for remote code execution. And what happens is the intruder can remotely compromise the device underneath the OS at the baseband level with no user interaction. All that's needed is the victim's phone number. So Google made an exception to standard disclosure policy by continuing to hold back details because two exploits are so bad that releasing the info would make it even worse. So in the meantime, <laugh>, if you have a phone with a Samsung EXOS chip set, disable wifi calling and disabled V O L T E, seriously. And the basically that affects these phones, mobile devices from Samsung, including those in the S 22, M 33, M 13, M 12, A 71, a 53, a 33, a 21 s, a 13, a 12, and a zero four series. Also mobile devices from Vivo, including those in the S 16 S 15 S six X 70 X 60, and X 30 series. And the pixel six and pixel seven series of devices from Google and any, and any devices that use the X and S auto T 5 1 23 chip set. So here I am on my Pixel seven. I'm just gonna go disable wifi calling

Jason Howell (00:13:08):
Right now. Oh yeah. Disabled wifi calling for sure. For sure. This is crazy. And you know, they're, they're working on an update. You'll get that eventually, but in the meantime, disabled wifi calling for starters. And then Burke before the show, you pointed out, there's a link on this nine to five Google page that takes you to the sprint kind of site about voiceover LTE T-mobile. And he found in kind of the faq, this little section that talks about voiceover L T E. And it's, there's a part there where it says, for devices supporting 5G voiceover, LTE E is automatically enabled as it is required for 5g. And there's no real way to turn it off outside of telling your phone with the setting. You know you know, it's by default it connects to 5g, set that to by default it connects to LTE 4g.

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So, I mean, I'm, I haven't seen any publications writing about this, so that was a really interesting thing that you spotted on that site, Burke. But I guess that leads to the thought that, you know disabled wifi calling and then I guess set your default to 4G L T E until this up update is rolled out. I mean, if this is, you know, if this says it's automatically enabled cuz it's required for 5g, that leads to the assumption that you need to disable 5G then. Right? And they took out the toggle on off in an update. Right, right. You can't easily just toggle it off. You have to go in there and say, my sim you know, default is 4G or 5g. I, it's set to 5g, but I will change it to 4g cuz I don't want anything to do with this <laugh> Sounds bad. Really bad. So, yeah.

Ron Richards (00:14:53):
Yeah. So it's, it's, it's, it's wacky, it's crazy. So, I mean, good for them. I mean now that we know about it, we're catching it and it's fixed by the march March update and all this, but like, these are, ugh. Whew.

Jason Howell (00:15:03):
Well, yeah, so, well that's a, actually, now that I'm thinking about it, cuz the, I don't know that this is fixed by the March update. I think they're saying a future update will fix this for now. It's fixed on some phones. It's, is, it is not fixed on others. Okay. All right. I think, and I think it was like

Ron Richards (00:15:19):
The pixels, so there's more to be become, so it's like, so the, these security updates are in the 13 QPR two March update,

Jason Howell (00:15:26):
Right? Yeah, no, no, you were right Ron. You were right. Yeah. pixel six and seven families are protected against all four of these vulnerabilities as of Google's March, 2023 update. So it's some of the other phones, the Samsungs, the vivos that you're probably gonna need to wait until they, you know, send out their, their update. But it looks like pixel six, as long as you have the March update, you should be fine. This is my understanding. So, okay. So we can turn those things back on then, Burke. Well, I will, I will check and make sure that I have the March update Before I do that, I turned off 5G in a second and got the phone anyway.

Ron Richards (00:16:01):
<Laugh>. Yeah, well, yeah. Well what was so funny, remember, remember when, remember when the pixel six came out and we had the, we had the battery drain problems cuz of the 5G modem and we turned, so I, so the whole time I had my Pixel six, I had 5G turned off and then when I got the Pixel seven, I like instinctively went to turn 5G off just cuz I had it from the Pixel six. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But yeah, so

Jason Howell (00:16:21):
<Laugh> I keep mine on.

Ron Richards (00:16:22):
Yeah, yeah. Now I keep it on. So it's though,

Jason Howell (00:16:26):
It's fine. Okay, well good to know about all that stuff.

Ron Richards (00:16:30):
What a crazy day.

Jason Howell (00:16:31):
Yeah, we start with the bad news. I should also mention Steve Gibson talks about this pretty deeply on today's security now. So check that out as well. Twitter tv slash sn.

Ron Richards (00:16:40):
The, he is the best in the biz, so

Jason Howell (00:16:44):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>,

Ron Richards (00:16:44):
He kind knows this

Jason Howell (00:16:45):
Stuff. He knows this stuff when it comes to this security stuff. All right, when you got the next one, not a bummer. I got bummer news. No,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:16:53):
No, actually it's, it's good news down the pipe. Good news in general. So we all love us some mid-range phones here and for our mid-range buddies, mid-range mates, mid-range cohort, <laugh>, I couldn't think of a great m word to go with this for alliteration, but to power our lovely mid-range friends, Qualcomm has recently announced their new second den mid-range chip, the Snap Dragon seven plus Gen two built on four, built on a four nanometer process. There's a lot of great stuff that is in this little chip it number one supports up to 16 gigabytes of ram, which is super notable. I and I think is really interesting that we've talked about, you know, in the past about the kind of recent crop of handheld cloud gaming devices like the GCloud and the Razor Edge. And those were all using the previous generation of the Snapdragon, but they were limited because of that to eight gigabytes.

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Now imagine, you know, whatever the, whatever the evolution of, you know, these cloud gaming handhelds having the snap track at seven plus Gen two and getting a whole 16 gigabytes of RAM level, the RAM VO money and it reports to have a 15 50% jump in performance over last year's chip. It's quick charge five compatible. It can support 200 megapixel photo capture with a new built-in processor in including some affordable phones having, you know, space Zoom, you know, w it can support W Vision up to 120 Hertz displays up to 40% better AI processing. So nothing but, you know, good things to mid-range phones. I guess it's not really a downside, but we won't be seeing some of these, you know, mid-range buddies of ours getting this seven plus gen two yet. But it will be coming to red me and real ME phones this month. So we will have to see if the new crop of mid-range phones that we can get all hands on are gonna have this very nice Snap Dragon seven plus Gen two. But I think to go along with all the Snap Dragon eight, gen two and Snap Dragon eight plus gen one, you know, fun news and Excitingness that we've had now the mid-range folks get a little bit of something, something in their, I guess it's a little early for Christmas stockings, but you know, under their, I don't know, in their phones. There

Jason Howell (00:19:10):
You go. I mean mid-range devices, mid-Range Musketeers. There we go.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:19:14):
Mi I

Jason Howell (00:19:15):
Like that. There we go. That's, yeah, that's the only that I that's pretty good up with. There go, I mean this, the, that's <laugh> Mid-Range Musketeers Musketeers these are some pretty awesome features for a mid-range device, right? Like, like suddenly 200 megaphone capture 120 hertz display quick chart, 50% in five minutes. I mean these are the things that often we hold on that pedestal for premium. The, the premium pedestal <laugh> from, that's another one right there. <Laugh>, premium Pedestal, mid Range Musketeers on the premium Pedestal Pedestal. How much can we alliterate in this episode? But anyway, so this just, I, you know, it makes it more and more the Mid-Range Musketeers more and more appealing and you don't need the premium devices. Got it. Once you start Alliterating, it's kind of hard to stop. It's

Huyen Tue Dao (00:20:08):
Addictive <laugh>,

Jason Howell (00:20:09):
Which is so much fun. It just happens <laugh> at All About Android <laugh>. There we go. Yes, it's there in the title. It's right there. It's right there. We've been doing it

Huyen Tue Dao (00:20:19):
Forever. All about Alliterate. We're all about alliteration at All About Android.

Jason Howell (00:20:22):
Yes, indeed. When we're not trying, once we start trying, then it gets a little weird. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So there you go. We've got more hardware news coming up next, so we will get to that in a moment. But first, this episode of All About Enter is brought to you by a c i Learning you know, you already know it Pro, right? They bring you engaging, entertaining IT training. Well now IT PRO is part of ACI learning. You see their signage throughout our studio because they're here in full effect and we're happy to have them together. IT Pro and ACI learning are expanding their production capabilities. They're bringing you the content, the learning style that you need at any stage in your development. So whether you're looking for, you know, individual training for yourself, or maybe you have a team, you want to get 'em all trained up, ACI Learning and IT Pro have you covered, you can join more than 227,000 members of the IT Pro learning community.

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Well, well well look what we have here. Oppo announced its latest flagship, the oppo find X six and X six Pro, or as my autocorrect wanted to name it, the opportunity find X six. Apparently doesn't like what I typed oppo and it, it turns it an OP opportunity. Is it, is it oppo or oppo? I don't, do we know? Do we know? Is it oppo always says oppo. Can, can we say oppo? Can we re can you ever really know? Yeah. Truly need to. We need to ask Bard. See what Bard takes. Yeah. Can you really know if it's oppo or is it oppo oppo or is it short for opportunity? See, the computers just want to tell us what these words mean all over the place. Are we listening? No. <laugh>. The, the oppo find X six PRO is powered by the Snapdragon eight Gen two.

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It's got eight gigs of RAM U Fs 4.0 storage, you know, it's got a large 6.82 inch, 1440 P display and apparently incredibly bright 2,500 peak nets. That's incredibly bright. The S 23, just as a comparison, tops out at 1,750 nets. This is 2,500. So, you know, even brighter if you're outdoors. And that does matter. As you can see in that, that shot that you just showed there, Burke a large camera circle cylinder thing on the back. It's so large. It's so large. It's like a, it's comically large. Yeah. With a large one inch camera sensor as the main Mm. That's a 50 megapixel Sony IMX 9 89, which happens to be the same sensor in Sony's D S C Rx 100, which is a handheld camera that retails for about a grand. So they're putting some really great camera hardware in there.

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Of course it has two other lenses and ultra wide and a three x optical zoom all together. I think they give you like six x kind of a, I don't know what they call it, like a unified optical zoom or something like that. But you get 120 x digital Zoom. So, you know, Samsung, we'd call that space Zoom if this was on one of their devices. I don't know what oppo or oppo calls it. And an I blaster, which tells you this phone is not sold in the us no pricing yet, no details on a global release, but there we go. Apos flagship device with a very, very large camera sensor on the back. And I, I think this like circular camera bump, although it's not a bump, it's more like a mountain getting more and more familiar. We're seeing more and more of these like ginormous round camera circles on the back. Hmm.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:22):
For whatever. I'm waiting for that one inch sensor, that one inch Sony sensor. I'm waiting for a phone I can get here. Yeah. Or if you're gonna make me go to Asia on a vacation, fine. I'll go, go, go. Fine.

Jason Howell (00:27:33):
I'll go

Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:34):
Vacation. I'll go vacation in Asia and get a phone. But I, I would love to see that. That's a blast. Yeah, it, it, it's, it's so fascinating like where this might take like, and this is kind of getting in a little bit more into maybe like, ah, Mr. S territory of like, where do point shoots cam cameras live now mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and, and with kind of like this kind of really upping the game of cameras. I just want one. I just want one. I'm sorry. I just really want one. I'm excited. I'd be more excited if I actually get my hands on one. But yeah, I, I don't know. I enjoy it. I think it's funny.

Jason Howell (00:28:03):
Yeah, I'm sure it takes fantastic pictures. I'll be curious to see what people who are able to get that device in their hands, what they're able to do with it. But yeah, I'm, I'm trying to think if I've ever really had an oppo phone for review and I don't think that I ever have. I'm sure Mateo has brought one in from time to time. <Laugh> Mateo Dony, who by the way has not been on in a while. He's gonna be on the episode in a couple of weeks. I'm gonna be gone unfortunately. But he's gonna be sitting here in the studio. He's gonna be in the area on 4th of April. So you will see Mateo, the Triumpho turn. How exciting A Mateo Don wall while

Ron Richards (00:28:42):
I'm gone. I saw, I saw him ranting about something on Facebook and I was like, where's Mateo been? Yes. You need to get a mic on the show. Yes.

Jason Howell (00:28:48):
So yeah, <laugh>, I'm super bummed cuz I'm gonna be out of town. This is, you know, I leave tonight actually after the show I head, we head to the to San Jose and then wake up early tomorrow morning and and board the plane. So I won't be here for the next two weeks. Not San Jose, California? Well, no, we go down to San Jose, California. Oh, California, okay. And then we fly into San Jose, Costa Rica. Gotcha. <laugh>. But that's not confusing. Yeah, well, well, you know, I guess on one hand it kind of keeps it easy. It's, I just think of it two times

Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:19):
I'm going to San Jose. You are in San Jose, sir? Yes.

Jason Howell (00:29:21):
<Laugh> No, the other San Jose. Yeah, two San Joses in one day is gonna be kind of interesting. Anyways, Matt Mateo will be here in a couple of weeks. I just won't be sitting here with him. And I am bummed about that. But that just means we'll have to have him back again when I'm back. So

Ron Richards (00:29:38):
There was, I feel like there were a couple years where he was on like four

Jason Howell (00:29:40):
Or five times a year. Oh yeah, yeah. Very, very regular. Yes. Yes, indeed. All of the mock adile days. Our mock Yes. Our, the, they, it was painted in mock adile those days. All right. When, while you were out last week, we we had a full hardware block dedicated to Pixel News Three three fifths of which were rumors. So this is kind of like the extension of that. You're, you're up next.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:30:10):
Oh, I like it. I like, I like these leaky PIs, especially this first one. So if y'all were curious about what Pixel seven A might look like, you can get a gander at it from a now archived unsurprisingly eBay listing for a Pixel seven a prototype. And it, it of course got up to Virginia's amount of bids of like upwards of $2,600. And of course that listing no longer exists. But, you know, you could take a look at some of the pictures that were provided in that archived link to get a little idea of what the Pixel seven A might look like. I mean, nothing too surprising looking through the photos. Yeah, it looks very much like, you know, the, the standard pixel seven with the familiar dual camera camera bar in a matte finish, you know, just like the Pixel seven. And, you know, a, a more flat screen front as opposed to like the curved one that the premium super flagships are still rocking even in this day and age. And there is a, a screenshot of the, of the phone in Fast Boot mode, which shows that this device is rocking eight gigabytes of Ram and 128 gigabytes of storage. So nothing too surprising. And obviously we're gonna probably get a better look at this thing sooner rather than later, but, and redact

Jason Howell (00:31:31):
Yeah, I know, right? Can I repeat that script? Was this done on the, the Android markup, the pixel markup app?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:31:38):
Someone quick, someone download it and do some bite magic or something, or you know. Yeah. But

Jason Howell (00:31:44):
Yes. We'll run it through an AI and have the ai guess what's there? What would be here? Ai,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:31:50):
What would be here? <Laugh>, tell me what the barcodes on the pixel seven a prototype would be. Right. yeah, so there you go. For the Pixel seven A and we're not quite done yet because we got some [inaudible] of pixel, of the Pixel eight, which we're, you know, we're probably gonna hear about at Google io, which is coming up sooner rather than later, coming up real fast. But, you know, know if you're not afraid of phone spoils, which I mean, who is, who are these days? We don't really care about spoilers. We just tell us anything now. Like, you know, three or four months before we even acknowledge each existence for realsies on leak renders shows some, you know idea of what the Pixel eight might look like. Again, this is like the standard Pixel eight, not the pro, but you know, it, it doesn't, you know, look too different from the Pixel seven.

(00:32:35):
There are some notable things. The camera bar is shiny now as opposed to Matt, which is, you know, what the, both the which, what the standard pixel seven is. But I mean, there's a renders, who knows? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> it, it, so a significant thing is it is a slightly smaller screen at 6.2 versus 6.3 inches. The, there seem does seem to be a little bit of design updates with the coroners being a little more rounded, but not a lot of the same. Zs again, flat screen on the entry level pixel, dual camera hole punch, front facing camera and what seems to be a metal chassis. So there you go. If you were curious whether there's gonna be something wild and noon and crazy for the Pixel eight this year. Mm. Doesn't seem like it just, you know, the usual iterative updates.

Jason Howell (00:33:21):
Yeah. But I mean the, the approach of the roundedness, I mean it's, it's subtle but it definitely does have a different, different kind of feel to it. It looks like,

Burke (00:33:30):
Like the more iPhoney like, like it's like a lot not as tight of a curve, you know, it's like a Yeah. Low, a longer, a

Huyen Tue Dao (00:33:38):
Whimsical, more whimsical

Jason Howell (00:33:40):
<Laugh>. Yes. Whis. I don't know. It's a more playful curve. Yeah. <laugh>

Ron Richards (00:33:46):
Can a curve be playful? Yeah,

Jason Howell (00:33:47):
Sure. No, yeah. <Laugh>, what words do we come up with to describe the curve on this phone? I have no idea. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:33:54):
I, I could definitely see a more iPhone about, I didn't think about that. And maybe also the fact that it is maybe going opting for more. I don't know. I I feel like it, it's with between Matt and Shiny finishes, I know this is like very much your mileage might vary, but it seems to be still that shiny feels premium. So maybe feeling like, hey, it's like the entry mid-range, not even mid-range. It's the entry flagship foam, but it's still very premium. Like how shiny it is. Look how much it, it reminds you of other phones.

Jason Howell (00:34:22):
Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:34:22):
That cost much money.

Jason Howell (00:34:24):
I'm looking at the shiny camera bar on, on my pixels seven and, and trying to, like, trying to decide like, do I like it more or less than the way it was last year. Like, I kind of, like you were saying that the shiny, the shiny quality makes it seem mm-hmm. <Affirmative> more premium. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And there's like, in some ways I don't like it as much. Like,

Ron Richards (00:34:46):
Oh, I like it, it was funny cause I saw Pixel six the other day and I was just like, ugh. Like I had a visceral kind of like, you know, like, and, and I, you know, prefer the seven much, much more than the pixel six you know cosmetic case approach.

Jason Howell (00:35:00):
Yeah. I mean, I mean I, I fully realized like from a durability standpoint, it's probably better for this to be mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, you know, a metal versus a

Burke (00:35:07):
Glass. I'm not liking the stitching on your Casey. What? I'm not liking the stitching on your case.

Jason Howell (00:35:13):
Oh, the side thing.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:35:14):
Just mental of you.

Jason Howell (00:35:15):
Yeah. Yeah. I like it.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:35:17):
It's

Jason Howell (00:35:17):
Grippy. It's grippy, it's

Burke (00:35:18):
Grippy. Oh, it's not creepy. Grippy stitching. Okay then I like it.

Jason Howell (00:35:20):
Well, I mean it's, I don't know if it's meant to look like stitching,

Burke (00:35:24):
But from the angle it looked like it was stitching at first.

Jason Howell (00:35:26):
Yeah. No, it's a little

Burke (00:35:28):
Grippy,

Jason Howell (00:35:29):
So I don't, I don't lose it. Yes. It's is this a speaking case? I believe? Yeah,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:35:34):
Grippy. I get similarly judgemental about the finish on cars. Like I see a lot of, for example, Teslas that have the matte finished and I don't know whether I like it.

Jason Howell (00:35:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, totally. It's

Huyen Tue Dao (00:35:45):
Not cool. Yeah. Like,

Jason Howell (00:35:46):
God, do I like the, the mat on a car? I don't know, it just kind of looks unfinished. It looks like they got halfway there, but they didn't quite go for it, you know? Yeah. Did you

Huyen Tue Dao (00:35:55):
Run out block, did you run outta buck pads or something? You

Jason Howell (00:35:57):
Still need to polish. You forgot the Polish step. <Laugh>. Well that's, well

Burke (00:36:01):
It's, if it's, you know, it's, it's an, if it, well it doesn't look, it looks weird on a Tesla. You're right on something else. Like it looks tactical.

Jason Howell (00:36:09):
Tactical. Oh, that's an interesting descriptor. Okay. Interesting. Okay. okay. And then,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:36:19):
Oh, and then I,

Jason Howell (00:36:20):
I don't wanna steal your

Huyen Tue Dao (00:36:20):
Thunderer. Okay. Yeah, my bad. I forgot I got all I got, I was like really pontificating on whether I like matte or shiny finishes. So <laugh> I don't know if you all noticed, but, you know, I love hardware exclusive software features like the Dynamic Island or Face Un Blur because, you know, software Software and why not make it exclusive to a specific piece of hardware? I don't actually like that very much, but as noted by us, I think, you know, talking about like the pixel marketing campaigns, including like the Super Bowl ad and we had a really great email about just how much Pixel is kind of getting reconditioned even outside of the us it kind of makes sense, right, that Google is trying to bring attention and give a little bit of special sauce to the pixel range of phones, especially since it has, you know, relative to other, other phones that they pr they've manufactured, you know, done better.

(00:37:10):
Like in terms of sales. So if you are curious whether something similar will be kind of hidden away as a special goodie for you, pixel eight perspective buyers, it looks like you will get video on Blur. So kind of as a counterpart to the face on Blur, you know, that is like very specific. And that, and that was kind of like a big feature for the Pixel seven. It seems that Pixel eight might get a video on Blur. So not just static images, but being able to unblur an entire video, which honestly I think would be a killer feature as someone with an adorable almost two year old niece that runs around a lot. And, you know, we're trying capture that makes a lot of sense, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And so this, this isn't official yet, but the good folks over at nine to five, Google did one of their APK insights, dug around a little bit and saw something that looks like it could, that it could be a hint of video un blur. So if you were kind of in, you know, a mood to look for a new premium flagship from leave this year, and you're gonna be thinking of that about the pixels versus the Samsungs, but you, like you some hardware, exclusive software features, pixel eight might have, you know, something up their sleeve for you. So we'll have to wait and see what it's, or what it actually looks like. So there you go.

Jason Howell (00:38:22):
And then eventually it will it will be made available for all. Cuz that seems to be what Google does is somewhere down the line it's like, oh, actually now it's coming to all pixel devices. It didn't, everybody gets it. You didn't need a tensor chip to begin with, or, or we figured out a way around the tensor chip thingy. Now you can all have it seem to be standard playbook. All right, Ron, I knew you would like this one.

Ron Richards (00:38:45):
I know. And in terms of my legacy and things that will never leave me behind, but Burke don't prep that. Ah, God, you

Jason Howell (00:38:51):
Got that.

Ron Richards (00:38:52):
Burke, I do need you to prep the other audio cue for when we say goodbye to somebody. Okay. because Google Glass Enterprise Edition two is pretty much good as dead.

Jason Howell (00:39:06):
Aw sad. Oh

Ron Richards (00:39:08):
Google says, there it is. So pra a little out for Google Glass. Google says is no longer selling Google Glass Enterprise Edition two support will end on September 15th. The device should still work beyond that date, but software updates will end. In case you weren't aware, Google Glass Enterprise Edition two was announced in 2019, sold for $999. If you go to google.com/glass, it just says, thank you for over a decade of innovation and partnership. Holy cow. One last time.

Jason Howell (00:39:42):
Holy cow.

Ron Richards (00:39:44):
Wawa.

Jason Howell (00:39:45):
Yeah. Holy cow. I mean, yep. Does this mean I can no longer wear my Google glass? Oh, oh, you can, I can, you know, I can just wear it as a prop. This is why, this is why I still keep this in the office. It comes up from time to time. It's, it's a nice prop to wait. No, you keep it in the office cuz it's super useful and like not creepy using this all the time. This is the enterprise. Here is the enterprise for me and I'm using it in the enterprise. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that it had some juice cuz you know, I like to keep it charged for those last minute. Oh no, I need a Google glass really quickly. But apparently it's not charged well. Okay. Goodbye. See you later. Goodbye <laugh>. Goodbye. okay. Although we're probably gonna have another time where we say goodbye to it again because support ends on September 15th. So expect us

Ron Richards (00:40:46):
Talk about the preliminary. Yeah, this was, this was plan like, like listen, it's coming. The wake is gonna happen in September. Prepare,

Jason Howell (00:40:53):
Prepare right now. Prepare yourself emotionally, prepare yourself for Google Ads going

Ron Richards (00:40:58):
Away from you. I do feel bad for the enterprise IT guy who was like prepping the purchase order to buy a bunch and then went to the website and was like,

Jason Howell (00:41:05):
What? I finally won mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. Yeah. Finally won the C-suite over. Yeah. He's like,

Ron Richards (00:41:10):
Okay, five. Finally sold it for five. Finally. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Jason Howell (00:41:12):
You five for your fleet. Okay, I'm gonna all they stop support. Dang it. Well,

Ron Richards (00:41:20):
So sad. Don't worry.

Jason Howell (00:41:21):
You'll be up on, on eBay.

Ron Richards (00:41:23):
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Jason Howell (00:43:12):
Yes, indeed. Yeah.

(00:43:15):
Peruse the apps aisle. See if there's anything in store for us this week. What's on the specials? Yeah. Yeah. Blue light special aisle nine AI coming to Google Workspace. <Laugh> <laugh>. So, you know, AI is, is finding its way into everything. We talked about Bard a little bit earlier. Chat, G P T just seems like a, you know, a thread that's not going anywhere anytime soon. So how is it working its way into the products that we use, the apps that we use in useful ways? And Google announced that workspace is getting a bunch of AI features, specifically a slew of generative AI features for many of the core products. So things like drafting, replying, summarizing, and prioritizing your Gmail, which they kind of already do some of those things from like a, a basic perspective. But some of the stuff is really interesting, like, like replying, I think I saw an example where you, you know, you're sending an email to someone because you want them to cover something because someone else is out.

(00:44:21):
And so, you know, instead of writing the email to the person, Hey, could I get you to pick this thing up, blah, blah, blah. It's like you, you ask the AI and you say, I need you to write an email to this person to let them know that that someone else can't, you know, cover this and can you do it? And what the AI is able to do, from my understanding anyways, from this little demo that it showed, is it has the information from the other emails that you have to understand who the person was that was scheduled to be there, why they can't do it. And, you know, to B basically pulls in all this information in the response and gives this purely contextual reply or email to this person instead of, you know, it's just so interesting how this is all planning out also a little, a little bit like, ah, really, whoa, slow down.

(00:45:14):
You don't need to go into all my other email to like, to figure this out. But it really just depends, I think, on your comfort level. Like, are you comfortable giving over, you know, handing the keys to this system to have this knowledge in an, you know, in, in exchange it is really useful because it writes, you know, it's, it's able to do this work for you. So I think that's the question that it's, people have to answer. It's crazy. It's crazy. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. brainstorming, proofreading, writing, rewriting in docs bringing, they say your creative vision to life with auto-generated images, video, audio and slides. Like you can point a you know, a, a, a PDF or you know, a bunch of work that you're doing and say, I want you to create a slide deck around this. And it's not that it just like pulls out things wholesale and just goes, all right, here's page three.

(00:46:08):
But in a slide, like, it draws these correlations and I, it is really weird how it works. Like the way that we're, that we create these docs, if this is where we're starting right now in five years, you know, a lot of the drudge work that people have been doing in the office is gonna be a lot easier. I'm imagining based on what, what Google is showing off here. They say go from raw data to insights and analysis via auto completion, formula generation, contextual categorization and sheets. So, so you might tell sheets, you know, not, I, you might not know how to create a formula, but you might know how to explain what you need and you explain what you need and it creates the formula. Like, that's super powerful. How many times am I in sheets and I'm like, I just wanted to do this thing, but I have no idea where to begin.

(00:47:00):
So I start doing my searches, my Google searches, and you know, find some stack overflow for 'em, you know, thing and try oh God, and try to do the do formula. Oh, mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, I've been there. You know, instead just be like, I just, I just want this number to appear there based on some of this other information and it creates the formula for you. Awesome. generating new backgrounds and, and capture notes in meet enabling workflows for getting things done in chat, whatever that means. So AI, coming the Google Workspace environment to make things a little easier, says Google, I'd be curious to play around with it. I'm sure we're gonna get access to it in the tools that we're already using relatively soon. But pretty neat stuff. Yeah. Would you agree? Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:47:44):
I, I agree. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Jason Howell (00:47:48):
So we'll see.

Burke (00:47:49):
Don't forget the I'm feeling lucky button.

Jason Howell (00:47:52):
What does that, what does that do? Do we even still have that? Is that on? Oh, I didn't, I didn't even catch that.

Burke (00:47:58):
Yeah, it's, it's in there. I, I don't, I mean, that's a good question. What does it do?

Jason Howell (00:48:03):
<Laugh>, but you would just open up,

Burke (00:48:06):
It's down. It's there like in the, in the bottom lucky.

Jason Howell (00:48:09):
So let's see here.

Burke (00:48:09):
Hereby, I'm just gonna give you an option here in a second to what

Jason Howell (00:48:13):
Okay. So this has to do with docs and Gmail writing things. You've jotted down a few bullets on your phone from a recent meeting. You wanna transform them into a more polished summary to share with your team. For these scenarios and many more, we're adding new generative AI capabilities to help you rewrite. And if you're in the mood to let AI try out a new playful voice altogether, you'll be able to hit the, I'm filling lucky button in Gmail. So it's like, okay, let's see what you come up with. Boom.

Burke (00:48:42):
You have cancer. Ugh.

Jason Howell (00:48:44):
Ooh, no. Okay. Delete, delete. No, no, not true. Oops, dad, move Google girl.

Ron Richards (00:48:49):
Not true. Not

Jason Howell (00:48:50):
True. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Not true. Oh, man. Call back to pre-show. We're, yeah. Anyways interesting stuff. Would love to, I mean, the, this stuff is v incredibly useful as long as it works, but I think we're kind of heading into this k into the territory of it not being perfect, as we talked about in pre-show. This, none of this stuff is perfect, but it's a lot more useful now than it used to be. It's a lot better at doing this stuff now than it ever used to be. And that's what I think people are getting really excited about. It's within the realm, you know, again, not perfect, but it's within the realm of usability to where it's like, okay, actually I could use 80% of what this just gave me, and that would be incredibly helpful.

Ron Richards (00:49:34):
Which is like the starting, sorry.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:49:36):
Yeah. No go. No, go ahead. You, you were, you were,

Ron Richards (00:49:38):
I was gonna say, this is just the start. This is just the starting point of like, of the, of the wave, you know, so when F D U

Huyen Tue Dao (00:49:44):
Oh, yeah. And I, I think like, I, I know like part of it is like, oh yeah, so now my whole job can be done by chat G P T. And I think like a lot of other, without getting into the very tricky subject of automation, kind of in a broad sense that, you know, when you're at a new company and maybe you're just out of college and you don't know how to write, like businessy things, or you don't kind of, you don't have, like, a lot of times you, you know, even as an engineer, I get asked to write reports or like estimates or like summarize things or to kinda like, you know, learn how to communicate with other teams. And you know, especially in like, in some companies, they don't teach you how to do that, and you don't, you know, you're kind of just like trying to figure out how to do it on your own.

(00:50:21):
Imagine having a really good starting point to be like, okay, here's how, like generally here's a good way of starting to communicate these kind of things. And here are like kind of patterns in how like, people like to like, you know, generate these kind of reports or generate these kind of presentations. And it's not like it's doing everything for you, but it's kind of giving you a starting off point. So it kind of does like the drudge work. And then there's still an element of creativity. There's still a element of context that you need to bring to every sa every single thing. It reminds me a lot of like the updates and even in like, programming development that I've experienced, it's like nothing's ever going, well, that's not true. It hasn't replaced me yet. It's just made me able to do the core of my job faster and better.

(00:50:58):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And so I, I love, especially as someone who's worked a lot of big corporate jobs, I would've loved as a new graduate to have someone help me write things because I don't know, I'm not gonna get fired because I didn't, you know, use the right template on this letter or this email. I don't know. So, I don't know. I, I just have a lot of like sympathy for just the, the day-to-day quality of life improvements that this kind of stuff brings. Anyway, yeah, very, very sympathetic to it. Totally agree. So speaking of quality of life and kind of making things better for people occasionally I see things, and now if you're doing the show for a bit, sometimes I see like an Android related story, an related thing, and I don't, like, I don't see the thing anymore. I see one of my lovely co-host faces.

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So as an example, I saw an ad for a Z fold flip Pokemon case, and I, it, it and it and all, and instead of like kind of my brain processing it as like, this is a Z fold flip with a poke with Pokemon on it, I just thought Florence ion. And so when I saw this next story, my brain flashed Ron, this is Ron. Like Ron and <laugh>. Cause the story is that, is that Pocket cast is actively developing where OS app. And so instantly I was just like, Ron, that's like, all I could think of was like, oh my God, I I bet Ron's gonna have opinions about this. So PocketCasts open sourced their mobile clients last year. And so if you go to the GitHub and you poke around, you can see that they have inactive development a issue, which is basically just a project or kind of feature you know, piece of work that has, you know, kind of been submitted for development.

(00:52:30):
And it is titled initial Release of Wear os Watch app. So there are actively, they are actively working on it. And the focus will be basically to create a Wear OS app that has feature parody with iOS. And that is going to focus on the ability to work for this, for this Wear Os app to work independently of the phone. So including a now playing screen, browsing and downloads. So yeah, if you are a person that likes your pod pocket to listen to pod podcasts and you wanna just take your phone, whether it's on a run or you know, just out and you don't wanna be you know, like tied to your phone to listen to your podcasts and using pocket casts. And sometime in the near future you're gonna have that cuz they're working on it. So. Yay. Nice.

Ron Richards (00:53:15):
Too little. I was gonna say. Oh, not, I was months ago. Oh, I'm sorry. Like, that's, that's the whole thing. I saw this come through and I was like, well, cool. Where were you when the watch came out? Where, where was this announcement when the watch came out? Why, why Talk about the fact that it's actively being developed as Oppos. I don't know. I just don't get me started. It's, it's fine. I'm glad. That's really fair. I'm glad they're doing it. And they'll get there. It is a key. It was so painful to listen to a podcast on the via that watch. So hopefully they can, they can crack that nut somehow

Jason Howell (00:53:48):
When you had the watch for the short amount of time that you did. Yeah. If, if this team had announced, all right, we're developing it, it's, it's coming sometime in the coming months. Would you have held onto the watch?

Ron Richards (00:54:01):
I would've thought about it more. I would've considered

Jason Howell (00:54:03):
More. More heavily considered it.

Ron Richards (00:54:06):
Yeah. I would've heavily considered it. Yeah. So maybe I'll revisit, who knows? We'll see, we'll see where it comes out. So

Jason Howell (00:54:11):
Yeah. Yep, yep. It's desperately needed though, so that's good news. Now what about this, Ron? I saw you had, you had some feelings about this in the Slack last

Ron Richards (00:54:22):
Time? Yes. And I didn't have that many. I didn't, I just shared it. I didn't have that many feelings.

Jason Howell (00:54:26):
No, you remember, I knew what you meant by sharing it though. No, you're right. You just shared it, but I just assumed So you shared it because you felt something about it.

Ron Richards (00:54:34):
Well, yeah, so I, I got an email. I don't know if you all got an email, if you were a paying customer of YouTube tv, you probably got the email saying that UTV YouTube TV is in fact getting more expensive. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, they did. I will give them crap. I wanna pull up the email itself because I did feel like it was dripping. And a little like g get off our back. They basically, they said hi Ron, we have an important update for our members after nearly three years, we're adjusting our monthly price from 64 99 a month to 72.99 a month as content costs have risen and we continue to invest in the quality of our service. We're updating our price to keep bringing you the best possible service. So they made, they're making a point of saying, after nearly three years, we're raising our prices, you know?

(00:55:24):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So the base membership plan will change in your first billing cycle on or after April 18th. And then you'll be charged at going f going further. They said if you're currently on a base plan pro promotional price or a trial, that promotion still will be honored and unchanged. But they also included that they are lowering the price of the 4K plus add-on. Previously, if you wanted 4k, it was an additional 1999 a month. So if you were, if you had U YouTube, YouTube tv and got my calculator out, if you had YouTube, YouTube, tv and 4k plus you were paying 1999, they're lowering the 4K plus add-on to 9 99 a month. So previously it was $64, $65 plus 20, which gave you, you were paying $85 for YouTube TV plus plus 4k. Now you're gonna be paying 17 to 99 plus 9 99, 82 80 $3. So you actually are, are saving $2 if you have 4K with this new price plan change which is wacky. Yay. And finally, they finally, they, they, they, they ended saying, we hope YouTube TV continues to be your service of choice, but we understand some members may want to cancel <laugh>,

Jason Howell (00:56:40):
This might just be too much for you. We get it. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:56:43):
So that said, I'm ke I'm keeping it because I've currently now got like my dad and my sister all using the family kind of thing. Like they've all cut the cord, they're all using it. And I'm, I'm burying the brunt of pay in the cost, which is fine. It's still cheaper than all the stupid add-ons with cable and all that sort of stuff. So whatever, I mean, like, I get it, everything's going up in price. It, it sucks, but it, it is here where we are. So

Jason Howell (00:57:06):
Yeah. It's just interesting in three years how it went from the cheap alternative to cable to cable <laugh> cable, right? Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:57:13):
Pretty much. Exactly. Exactly. But they did, they did launch multi viewing options, which as I also said in our chat is gonna give me a headache that's the, that's the ability to watch multiple channels at once. That's right. And it launched on the day that Mark March Madness started. Cuz lots of people want to have all the different basketball games on at the same time. And that just gives me anxiety. They

Jason Howell (00:57:33):
Wanna recreate their own sports bar. Yeah,

Ron Richards (00:57:35):
Exactly. But it's cool. I, I still think it's a great product. I think, you know, it records stuff. It proactively records stuff that I'm interested in. Like, I, I, I do not, I do not. I feel like that is money well spent and if you do have 4k, you're actually saving two bucks now versus spending more. So it all kind of washes out.

Jason Howell (00:57:52):
So, okay. I mean, 4K is the future or or is the present more the present than

Huyen Tue Dao (00:57:58):
The future? Yeah, at some point. It was really funny cuz I saw this email come in and I knew what it was about. I look at my email box later and I can see Hey, your husband is canceled <laugh>. Like, he didn't even talk to me about it. I just saw he was like, your YouTube plan has been canceled. To be fair, we talked, we talked about this previously, that he was kind of on the fence anyway about it because I think outside of, you know, American football season, we're like, eh, on it. You know, because we don't really watch a lot of network television anyway. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, but I know that was funny. Like no discussion, just you YouTube pricing update your plan has been canceled. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:58:33):
Cool. All right. Yep. Makes sense to me. Yep. <laugh>. Yep. If you'd already kind of talked about it anyways, it's kinda like, okay, well, now's obviously the time. All right. Yep. And finally you can go ahead and, and fire off the taps one more time. This show has been so sad, so such

Ron Richards (00:58:53):
A bummer. Seriously,

Jason Howell (00:58:55):
You're smart Fabric will soon be discontinued. Project ard. Remember that? That's right. First announced at Google IO in 2015 by Google's AAP division. I remember that year very, very fondly. That was a very exciting aap thing where they just, they showed off so much, you know, they solely for the first time JA Card, it was, you know, a lot of energy. It was really exciting. Anyways, project ARD was announced in 2015. It's gonna soon be shut down. Now this is according to code found in the ARD app. And the code is designed to check Google servers to see if it's still supported. And if not, it would communicate that with the user. So it would say the ARD app is unable, unable to start because your internet connection may be down, or the ARD app is no longer available slash supported. There were also a number of references to e O L and of life. So granted, this is not Google saying, and we are shutting down Project ard. This is just, the app has been built with a bunch of different references to end of life and a warning set signals to users. If in fact the app was ended nine to five, Google has posited as a result of that, that JA Card's life is probably, you know, coming to a close at some point in the near future. Well,

Ron Richards (01:00:23):
What's what's interesting is that if you track this, right, like it just never got any momentum, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, so like, like it came out in 20, it came out in 20 20 19, right? That's when we, when, when they announced it and shared it and all that sort of stuff. Then in October 21 they released the SDK for developers develop to, to develop apps and stuff like that. And have you heard anybody doing anything with it since then?

Jason Howell (01:00:48):
No. No, no. Now mind you came out in 20 19, 20 20, the world got weird. Yep. Yeah. You know? Yeah, that's fair. Everything pre covid, like, you know, that, that whole two years of, of strangeness that admittedly we are still in Wait, that, what's that? What did it do to begin with? What did, what did ARD do? What did this Smart jacket do? Well, what was the, well, so it was fabric that was essentially conductive to the point to where I could go like this on my sleeve and skip tracks on my cd, or I could go like this and I would hear the time and the earbuds that I'm wearing. Or can

Ron Richards (01:01:28):
You, can you do, can you do it again, Jason? Yeah. And you, and you could do it look very silly while you're doing it.

Jason Howell (01:01:34):
<Laugh>. Oh, that didn't work. So it was a button. Oh, that dang it. It's not working. You had the switches and you'd be out in the middle of the street going Right. You know, cuz it's not working. Yeah, so, I mean, I don't know how useful that was. You know, it's Google flexing. Its what if Muscle

Huyen Tue Dao (01:01:53):
<Laugh>? That, that was actually my first IO was that 2015. And so I, I've always held a special place and yeah. And, and Project

Jason Howell (01:02:00):
That's a good one. Was a

Huyen Tue Dao (01:02:02):
Good one. Yeah, because it's like, oh, I mean, and I think even then I thought, okay, this might not be, you know, a a fully fledged, ubiquitous commercial success. But I think especially with things like Atap with the idea that, hey, we're Google, we're innovating, we might just try a bunch of stuff and see what happens out of it. And I, I think I always held that in my mind. I was like, okay, they're, they're trying things. They're innovating and, and yeah, like the world kind of got into a state where, you know, smart Eve, Saint Lauren backpack's not really a number one concern on most people's minds in the last two, three, no years. So, but I always held a place in it for my art. Cause I thought that was really cool. I

Jason Howell (01:02:40):
Do, I do remember one of the things that we posited was, wow, this would be really cool if this technology was integrated into like the, the armrest on a couch or something like that. Ah, yes. Right.

Ron Richards (01:02:51):
So that would be really interesting actually. But what also, what's interesting is that I'm just trying to find any news of any stuff related to JA Card. Yeah. And nine to five, Google also has an article here I'll share this. Here we go. In 2022 mm-hmm. <Affirmative> how Google Health wants to record heart sounds with phone mics and use JA card tag and post-surgery recovery. Right. And basically, basically using, using the ard, sorry, little, little widget. Yeah. That was, that was very dramatic

Jason Howell (01:03:26):
For her. <Laugh> Ron exploded.

Ron Richards (01:03:30):
But but interesting how they were tying JA card into health applications, you know, like by putting the, the, the sensor, the fabric in post-surgery bandages or like that sort of stuff to help with it. Right. But this is the only thing since 2020 that I've seen, like in 2020 there was a JA card and Samsonite like luggage integration that they announced in 2020, I think right before the pandemic. But like, there's nothing else about JA Card anywhere.

Jason Howell (01:04:02):
Recall also, and thank you to Victor for sharing, <laugh> for reminding me that on October 3rd, 2017, episode 337 of All About Android, we had we had <laugh> Captain, captain Andrew sorry, Michael Fisher on

Ron Richards (01:04:21):
Michael Fisher.

Jason Howell (01:04:22):
Yeah. to, because he was wearing the ARD jacket. The title was Captain Ard for that episode. Yep. But he was wearing a ard.

Ron Richards (01:04:32):
Yeah. He had the leave, he had the Levi jacket.

Jason Howell (01:04:34):
Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. So anyways yeah, I mean, it really didn't, didn't go anywhere. It's a pretty specialized thing, you know, even even integrating that into like a, a couch cushion. Like, even if you did that, like that area's gonna get dirty. It's gonna get dirty over. It's kind of flawed.

Burke (01:04:55):
It's all the innovation though is like literally in the software that like, it's a button, but it make it do stuff. It's like not really about the hardware.

Ron Richards (01:05:04):
So the, the ARD website does have a list of products, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, that, that, so, so there's a Samsonite Connect I backpack, there's the Ag Adidas G M R play. There's a Levi's trucker jacket there's a, a backpack from St. Lore and the, the Levi's commuter trucker jacket, like, that's it.

Jason Howell (01:05:29):
That's about it, right? <Laugh>, I mean, I, I wonder how many, how many thousand of these really sold

Huyen Tue Dao (01:05:38):
<Laugh>? Was this the same time? Where, was it Nike or Adidas? Or was it like Ja card that was doing like the step counters in your sneakers or something?

Ron Richards (01:05:45):
This is, that's the Adidas thing. That's the step counter. Yeah. That's Adidas. Okay. Yeah. It's, yeah. Yeah. This is the Adi, the Adidas thing. Oh my God. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. Yeah. It's, if you, if you go to the Adidas product on that thing, it shows you that there's an insole and there's a little spot where the Ja card tag goes into the, into your feet. But it's meant to merge the real world with ea with fifa, the game. Oh

Huyen Tue Dao (01:06:10):
My goodness.

Jason Howell (01:06:11):
<Laugh>. Sorry. That's what we all want. It's strange. Well, someone out there wants it, I guess. Yeah. But I'm, I'm imagining not many people wanted, actually wanted to spend the premium on a, you know Yeah. Connected fabric. And how much was this? Just neat. It's cool. It's almost like a proof of concept and mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and the fact that they were able to get, you know, companies like Adidas and Levi's on to create a product around it. That's neat. But that doesn't necessarily prove any sort of viability that that was kind of, you know, that was an experiment for Google. It was also an experiment for Levi's. It was also an experiment for Adidas. It was by no means a mainstream product at any point of its existence. So, no. Yeah, yeah. But who knows, maybe in 20 years this will be all the rage and we'll look back and we'll go, oh yeah. Remember JA Card, it kind of started that before people understood it. Right. We were all talking about how it had no, you know, business being anything because you know what, what was the purpose? And look at it now, I dunno,

Ron Richards (01:07:16):
Wacky in, in 10 years when we're, when we're controlling everything with our clothes. Like Star Trek.

Jason Howell (01:07:21):
Yes, exactly. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. You don't, you don't double click. You just tap your shoulder or

Huyen Tue Dao (01:07:27):
You don't tap your

Jason Howell (01:07:28):
Lap palms, you know, like <laugh>, every, every inch of, of our has take you to the bathroom Control <laugh>. God, yes. Navigate me. Okay. Let's let's segue into the next part of our show coming up. It's your feedback that's up next. All right. AAA twit TV 3, 4, 7. Show a a a if you wanna send us your feedback, you can do so by going to those places or sending messages to those places rather. And when you have the first one.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:08:01):
Yes. And our first email is from Tim Benson down in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Tim writes us saying, I laughed at the discussion about the Pixel A series and lack of wireless charging. My wife and I have Pixel six pros and after the March, 2022. Yes. Last year security update, both phones lost wireless charging. Oh dear. I've reached out to, yeah, I've reached out to Google and Google Fi support. All they wanna do is troubleshoot the charger and only wanna talk about the pixel stand. Yeah. We still don't have it back. And it used to work on four stands, three pieces of furniture and two vehicles prior to that. Oh my goodness. That is a loss. Yeah, this has made my wife mad enough that she's ready to jump to Samsung. Love the show since Gina days, Tim Benson from Chattanooga, Tennessee.

Jason Howell (01:08:52):
I understand. That would be frustrating.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:08:56):
That is a huge loss and yeah. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:09:00):
Wow. Wow. I don't know what else to say about that. That really sucks because, you know, I mean, you had, it's obvious that you had many different places that you were wireless charging this device. The update happens. You can no longer wireless charging any of those places, and yet Google support still wants to troubleshoot the charger or chargers rather than the single point of failure, which is the device that no longer charges in all those different places. That's really frustrating. And yet I'm really not that surprised, sadly. Yeah. Sadly, I'm not surprised. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. yeah, that's a total bummer. Sorry to hear that, Tim. But thank you for writing in maybe your one, you know, upshot is that we read your feedback on All About Android. At least there's that he got, he got that going for you. You got that going for you <laugh>.

(01:09:55):
And if you do jump to Samsung do a follow up and let us know how that goes. Yeah. at Panzer underscore Z wrote in to say there is an actual security advantage to not auto accepting a correct pin code for your lock screen. This, this calls back to a discussion that we had last week that involved like upcoming changes that would possibly make it so that on Android by default, or at least on Android phones with the next version of Android when you enter in a pin on, on iOS, when you do that and you do the four characters, it sends it automatically and it, and it pops you through on Android. You always kind of have to hit the go, the go button at the end of it. And a new change might make it work more like iPhones continues to say it forces someone who is trying to brute force break in to actually know the string length of the code i e entering a four digit pin, but it being rejected and not knowing if it is because it's the wrong pin or if it's actually a six digit pin.

(01:10:59):
That's a really good point. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> not a huge security feature, but anything that makes it more of a hassle to guess a password is the only weapon we have in digital security. But the real takeaway is that it should be an option to do either method. So the user has the choice of more convenience or slightly more security. I would guess that it would be a choice, but maybe I'm making an assumption there, or I'm definitely making an assumption there. But I think in my head that's kind of what I figured was something like this is because it's been this one way forever and now suddenly it would be a change. I personally would be really surprised if Google said, okay, yeah, I know it's been that way forever, but now it's gonna be this. But I guess they've done that in other ways, so why wouldn't they?

(01:11:40):
Having said that, when it comes to security, I think you make an excellent point. If it's, if it automatically ends at the, you know, end of the number of digits that the pin is and automatically enters it, then someone trying to break into your phone automatically knows how long your, your, your PIN is. If it doesn't do that, then you know, you could have a 10 digit pin, you could have a five digit pin, they don't actually know, and that's gonna make it way more difficult for them to ever br force their way in. So it's a really good point.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:15):
I did this to myself on my Samsung S eight. I have a specific way of figur of, of calculating a pin that, you know, involves personal information. And actually on my S eight it didn't tell me whether the pin was four numbers or six numbers. So my little mental algorithm got really messed up and I got totally locked out of my S eight. Cause I couldn't, I couldn't br force my own my own pin. So, yeah. Confirm this is very effective

Jason Howell (01:12:39):
<Laugh>. Oh no. So you got br so you got locked out. Did you ever recover? Were you ever able to It

Huyen Tue Dao (01:12:44):
I just rebooted the whole dang thing. Yeah. Cause mostly I've been using it for testing, so it was okay. But I, I, I did actually that's, it is really funny because that is extremely volume of course from the mathematical, you know, if you wanna do the numbers on the, the, there's probably some incredibly easily calculable like magnitude of difficulty increased by adding this kind of factor of Oh yeah. Variance. And so yes, great point and can confirm, makes it real hard to guess my own password <laugh> or my own opinion.

Jason Howell (01:13:11):
So I've been there though I've so been there because, you know, I test a lot of phones and some phones like I, when I'm done testing them and I still have them, I don't wipe them. They, they just kinda end up in a drawer and mm-hmm. <Affirmative> then, you know, maybe my kids will will find it and they're like, oh, well, you know, my, my younger daughter really thinks that she's good at cracking codes, you know, so she'll get on there and then I'll pull out the phone later and it's like, you know, had x number of incorrect tries, you know, and I've gotta wait, you know, I, I get a right wrong the finish time and it's like you have entered the incorrect pin like 27 times. Like no, I didn't, I know that it was probably her trying to figure it out, but but when you get to that point with some of these devices, then the retry time is like really long until you can retry again or at some point minutes or something. Yeah. At some point it's like, Nope, you're locked out. You can only get in if you know the exact password. We'll see you tomorrow. Yeah. It's not gonna work. So

Huyen Tue Dao (01:14:04):
<Laugh>, it was like that

Jason Howell (01:14:06):
<Laugh>. Exactly. thanks for writing in at Penzer underscore Z and Ron, you have the honors.

Ron Richards (01:14:14):
Yes. Well, this week's email, the week is actually more of a social post of the week.

Jason Howell (01:14:24):
Oh yeah. Okay. That works too. Yeah, sure.

Ron Richards (01:14:27):
Because our good pal over on Mastadon at r o Rob 88 at TWIT Social said, just found my favorite ANA product at $25 three device, mouse keyboard combo that also works great on Android and Chromebooks. So thank you Robi. 80 88. 88 for posting the ana na na na na na multi-device, keyboard and mouse, which looks a lot like the Logitech device at first glance.

Jason Howell (01:15:00):
Mm-Hmm. Yeah. Suspiciously. Mm-hmm.

Ron Richards (01:15:03):
<Affirmative>, oddly like Brandy

Jason Howell (01:15:05):
Possibly.

Ron Richards (01:15:06):
Yeah. that's a good question. I wonder if Logitech and Aah are in business, but $25 is not that bad.

Jason Howell (01:15:13):
Well, yeah, I mean, I did a search on, on the Walmart site and they have it listed for $35, so maybe, maybe you got a deal. Deal. That looks a

Ron Richards (01:15:23):
Lot, that looks a lot like the by the way, I have

Jason Howell (01:15:28):
One in, in our engineering room. Yeah. Oh really? They watches Heck, one <laugh>,

Ron Richards (01:15:32):
<Laugh>, by the way, I found on, I found this exact device on, on eBay for 8 99.

Jason Howell (01:15:37):
Is it new or used?

Ron Richards (01:15:41):
New. It says

Jason Howell (01:15:42):
Wow. Oh dear deal. What's shipping

Ron Richards (01:15:45):
<Laugh>? Shipping is $79. No, it doesn't say

Jason Howell (01:15:49):
<Laugh>. 

Ron Richards (01:15:50):
But what's really funny though is here, I'll, I'll share this with Berk so you can see it. The person posted photos and I feel like you get more photos on this eBay listing than you do in the Walmart Walmart listing. But the box itself for the keyboard and mouse it's the second photo in the gallery there, Burke. Oh, that's in the upper right hand corner. It says Surf on Na na Surf on

Jason Howell (01:16:18):
Surf on, which

Ron Richards (01:16:19):
Is just like, when was the last time you saw surfing as a metaphor for the internet? And it's 2023 and on Na na is really leaning into surfing the internet. Okay. But this looks ju just like the Netflix device.

Jason Howell (01:16:33):
The Netflix, you mean Logitech or Netflix?

Ron Richards (01:16:35):
Yeah, the log, I'm sorry, not Netflix. Logitech Logitech people.

Jason Howell (01:16:37):
Logitech, yeah. And that, that little colored that like minty colored slot is where you like, place your tablet in, by the way, for people who are like, what, what is that? You, you put your tablet in there so it kind of pop props it up, like like a laptop screen and yeah, I mean, not bad for an inexpensive device. I wonder the longevity, how do those keys feel? But I mean mm-hmm. <Affirmative> sack this away, it looks like on the, at $5, even at $35 I think gets

Ron Richards (01:17:07):
Probably good.

Jason Howell (01:17:09):
Probably. I mean, so I found, so the eBay listing $9 plus $15 economy shipping. So there you go.

Ron Richards (01:17:15):
I, I found the Logitech device that it's ripping off, it's the Logitech K four 80 wireless multi-device keyboard. And it's <laugh>, it's really, it's almost the exact same thing.

Jason Howell (01:17:27):
Slow. Oh my goodness, my

Ron Richards (01:17:29):
Goodness.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:30):
Wow.

Jason Howell (01:17:31):
Okay. Wow. That really is,

Ron Richards (01:17:34):
Although the, the on no, no, no. What looks long looks longer like it looks like it has the Yeah, it has the keypad to the right of the keyboard that the Logitech one doesn't.

Jason Howell (01:17:42):
Okay. So they literally innovating.

Ron Richards (01:17:44):
They literally just ripped off the design completely.

Jason Howell (01:17:47):
No kidding. They even

Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:49):
Took the dial that was on the side of the Logitech one. It was like, Hey, we'll stick that on the mouse. Yeah, yeah. Just yeah, put it on the mouse. Just put it on the mouse. Then it's different. Right.

Ron Richards (01:17:56):
Insane.

Jason Howell (01:17:57):
So, wow. That's amazing. And so the Logitech won, by the way, on the Logitech site, $50 free shipping. Wow. but it's 35 on Amazon. I was just gonna say, it looks like it's on sale right now, so Whoa. But you are losing the new, the Nu Padd. You're not gonna have the num padd if

Ron Richards (01:18:17):
The mouse

Jason Howell (01:18:18):
And the mouse and the mouse, so, you know. There you go. Everybody needs a mouse.

Ron Richards (01:18:24):
Yeah, I'm pro mouse.

Jason Howell (01:18:26):
I mean, if you got your tablet docked on a, a keyboard, you probably do want a mouse so you can get to places on the screen without having to go Yeah. A, a gorilla arm as they used to call it. Interesting. Okay, so there you go. The best device according to Roby 88.

Ron Richards (01:18:49):
That's a good

Jason Howell (01:18:49):
One. Email the week.

Ron Richards (01:18:51):
Thanks. Good job, Rob Lee. 88.

Jason Howell (01:18:53):
Good job to go. You didn't even know you were in, in the, in the running. Didn't know for the email of the week because you posted it on the twit social. And well, there you go. It just goes to show we're always looking and sometimes we pull 'em from different places other than email. You can't hide. You can't. Yeah. You can run but you can't hide. I don't think you were hiding. I think you were actually sharing it. And thank you for sharing it because now maybe someone else out there will find this and it's exactly what they're looking for. Yay. thank you so much everybody for watching and listening to this here episode of All About Android. And thank you Wyn for being here this evening. It's good to have you back. What do you wanna leave people with? Just be back.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:19:39):
Hi, I'm an android dev. You can find my Android things at my website randomly typing.com, and you can find me on the interwebs at Queen CodeMonkey in places. You just type it. It's probably me, but yeah, glad to be back. And that's it,

Jason Howell (01:19:55):
<Laugh>. And that's it. Thank you. And, and thank you. Ron, what do you wanna leave people with?

Ron Richards (01:20:01):
Thank you. Well, if you listen to the pre-show chat, you heard me talking a little bit about the other podcast I do over@ifanboy.com along with my buddies Josh O'Connor. Tune in this month's podcast the media Explode where we're talking about what we're watching and things like that. We do a deep dive on the last of us, which I did not watch, but also, and or which I did watch. And I talk about I saw Creed three in the theaters been watching Party Down and finished watching Gas Lit and the Boys Season three. So if you wanna hear what I thought of all those TV shows, go listen Boys into that. It's a fun time. It's like, boy, season three was, was a fantastic, fantastic. It was a really so underrated. Really good, really good. I've

Jason Howell (01:20:40):
Not watched

Ron Richards (01:20:40):
It. Season two was rough, but season three was really good. Just all

Jason Howell (01:20:43):
Of its awesome. It's

Ron Richards (01:20:44):
Far. Yep.

Jason Howell (01:20:46):
I'll have to check that out. I've not even seen in the episode. It's Boys with a Z at the end. Okay.

Ron Richards (01:20:50):
No, it's not, isn't it? It's not, no,

Jason Howell (01:20:54):
It's it's on Amazon

Ron Richards (01:20:56):
Video. Yep. Okay.

Jason Howell (01:20:57):
Yep. I will check it out. Cool. Well thank you Ron. Thank you Win. Thank you Burke. Thank you Victor Behind the glass for everything y'all do to do this show each and every week. Let's see here. Normally I would say, well, I can still say it. You can find me on Twitter at Jason Howell. You can find me on on Master, on Twi social slash at Jason Howell. Normally I would say that I'm also doing a show with Micah this Thursday, but I'm not because I'm gonna be on vacation. So, but you should still watch Twit TV slash Tnw. I'm sure Micah's gonna line up some excellent guests for that show. I'm gonna be out the next is it the next two episodes? So next Tuesday and the following Tuesday, I'll be back the third Tu Tuesday. So so yeah, so you won't see me, but you'll see I think Flow is on next week.

(01:21:49):
And then, like I said earlier, Mateo on the following week, so we've got fun lined up while I'm out and then I will come back and I'll be totally clueless as far as what's going on in the world of technology when I return. It was because Leo goes, goes away on vacation as well while I'm gone. It was gonna end up being that I get back on Saturday and then that Sunday I host Twit. But I was like, I don't think this is gonna work, y'all. I'm gonna be super like, clueless. Like it would stink to like go into twit. No, absolutely nothing. So it will be tan though. Yeah, I'll have that going for me every time you know, something comes up in a story and I know nothing about it, I'll just point to my tan. That'll hypnotized by your tan, deep, deep tan.

Ron Richards (01:22:33):
I am, I am enjoying this twen this, this this season of All About Android. Cause I feel like this is the season where Jason went on vacation a lot. <Laugh>. Yes. Important.

Jason Howell (01:22:43):
It is weird. It has worked out that way. Yes, it has. And it's all been

Ron Richards (01:22:47):
Gary, you know, the concent, you know, the pandemic's over when, when Jason and the Howells go on, on the road a lot. So <laugh>

Jason Howell (01:22:55):
<Laugh>, it worked out that way that the first like three months of this year was just like lots of vacation. It wasn't intentional. It just kind of

Ron Richards (01:23:04):
Happened that way. Good for you. For you, man. Good for you. No, it's all, it's all good. Very glad. Happy. Thanks for,

Jason Howell (01:23:08):
Happy for you. Thanks for reading all the ads and doing all the,

Ron Richards (01:23:11):
The work. I'm just saying like, when, when we, when we see what the ads look like next week and the week after, they're three, they're, which is good. Yeah. I like the a I love advertisers keep coming. We love them. We, we appreciate their support and please use all their products. I will happily read ad reads if you're listening.

Jason Howell (01:23:31):
So <laugh>. Yeah. Well thanks for covering for me while I'm out. And a good trip, you know, we've got the ads. Yes. We've also got Club Twit and that's how you can get our shows without any ads. So twit TV slash club twit no ads in any of the shows. If you remember also you get the Twit plus podcast feed, lots of shows that you don't get outside of the club. Handson Mac, hands on Windows home Theater geeks just fired up again with Scott Wilkinson. Lots of really great stuff. Interviews. Aunt Pruitt does some interviews. I think our own Victor is gonna be interviewed here pretty soon. Do we know when that is?

Jason Howell (01:24:09):
Future in, in the future <laugh>, I can't remember what episode that is or, or what date that is, but it's coming up. So if you're a part of the me, if you're a member of Club Twit, you'll get a little interview with Ant and Victor. I feel like it's two weeks. Yeah. I feel like it's a couple weeks. Are we right? Yeah, we'll find out. But anyways, and then of course, the Discord that we refer to a lot, actually Discord right now it looks like who wa who was doing this? I think P Holder in the Discord was using the mid journey bot to come up with a picture of the weak image. Oh,

Ron Richards (01:24:46):
Cool. Nice.

Jason Howell (01:24:48):
So that's interesting. Cool. Might have to pull that down and repurpose that. That looks awesome. I love it. This stuff's so cool. Technology's neat. So there you go. Twitter TV slash club Twitch. Check it out for yourself. $7 a month. Thank you. As for this show, TWI tv slash a a a go there, subscribe. You'll get the episodes. You won't have to to seek them out like you may be doing. You probably subscribe already, but if you don't, you should. And twit tv slash a a is where you go to do that. And thanks for watching each and every week. We couldn't do this show without you, and we will see you next time. They will see you next week. I will see you in a couple of weeks on hold that end. Right. Bye everybody.

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