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MacBreak Weekly 392
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Leo Laporte: This is MacBreak Weekly. Episode 392. Recorded March 4, 2014
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Alex Lindsay: Trifecta. (Laughs)
Leo: Welcome back.
Alex: it’s good to be here.
Leo: Nice to have you. You really, you said you weren’t going to travel as much, but I didn’t believe you.
Alex: You didn’t believe it. Well I might be traveling soon again, for a little bit. But, yeah, I’ve been settling in a little bit.
Leo: Nice to have somebody sitting next to me. Of course, Andy Ihnatko is no slouch either. His monitor is sitting next to me at that’s good. From the Chicago Sun Times, welcome Andy.
Andy Ihnatko: Thank you Leo, and Alex. Our hearts have been broken so many times, we didn’t dare to believe that you’d be here week, after week, after week.
Alex: And soon it’ll be like, “When will he ever leave?”
Leo: Yeah. Alex don’t you have a road trip you need to get to?
Alex: Don’t you have to go somewhere where you don’t have a connection.
Leo: I want to thank Alex because you saved the day on Sunday….
Alex: Oh it was great.
Leo: …As Terry Kay was pointing out, we had trouble, Skype trouble with Film girl. I think Christina Warren really wanted to go watch the Oscars, because she tweeted quite a bit from the Oscars.
Alex: There you go.
Leo: But somehow Skype got… No! Christina wanted to be here but thank you for filling in.
Alex: I had a great time.
Leo: And we got you out in time to watch the Oscars.
Alex: I had a great time.
Leo: And finally, Mr. Rene Ritchie from Imore.com and mobile nations. Good to see you Rene.
Rene Ritchie: Thank you, Leo. It’s good to see you too.
Alex: Rene, you look better every week.
Rene: Oh thank you.
Alex: The system keeps on refining.
Leo: Is it spring yet in Montreal?
Rene: No, it’s spring break, which means we’re all down by the frozen river in our thermal Speedos, trying to enjoy ourselves.
Andy: Only three layers.
Leo: I love it. What was it, Jimmy Fallen… Where did he do the polar bear dip?
Leo: Chicago, yeah.
Andy: It was actually the first spontaneous expression he’s had on television since he took over the…(inaudible)
Leo: Well he did wear a suit, which was a little odd. I don’t think that’s going to keep you warm in icy water.
Andy: Well, see it’s a punk move because you might be wearing like a wet suit underneath it.
Andy: You’ve got to go shirtless like that guy to the left of him. That guy is the pro.
Leo: Yeah. And Roma Manuel is somewhere in there. The Mayor of Chicago.
Andy: See he was wearing shorts. Shorts and a t-shirt I believe.
Leo: Uh huh, I see. Suit, you’re right. I bet he has a wet suit underneath of there.
Andy: He has nothing to hide for a politician, nothing to hide! Jimmy Fallen, he’s got that sort of, you know, I don’t know, sort of squirrely look about him that says,” I bet that I’m wearing a polar suit underneath this.”
Leo: I don’t know! It looks like there could be shrinkage going on. That’s pretty… he looks pretty chilled.
Andy: You’re right, because he’s not that good of an actor either. I saw Taxi.
Leo: He was in Taxi?
Andy: Oh yeah! He was Taxi!
Leo: Jimmy Fallen?
Andy: Okay, I appreciate that with Queen LaTifa who could be watching anybody else, but…
Leo: What Taxi are you talking about?
Alex: I don’t think he’s talking about the show.
Leo: Oh okay.
Alex: He’s talking about the Movie, right?
Andy: Oh no, the movie. I’m sorry, the movie.
Leo: Not Taxi. I’m thinking Robert Dienero in Taxi Driver. You’re not talking about that one.
Alex: I wasn’t even thinking about that! I was thinking…
Leo: Jody Foster.
Alex: I was thinking, do, do, do.
Leo: Taxi, the movie.
Andy: It’s basically part of the half-way house process, when you stop being a carnet live male cast member, you have to do one movie in which you play, sort of an immature cop. This was his transitional, to sort of mainstream him back in the society, where people are going to be judging him more on his merits as opposing to be sort of, mildly amusing for two minutes. One week at a time, 20 weeks out of the year. It’s less startling, its less frightening for them, and you know, if we can get more of these former Estenal cast members out there, they might actually reproduce and not require such warehousing on network television. That’s really the goal. It’s nice that we’re allowing these cast members to survive, but we haven’t done our job as caretakers for planet Earth, until we’ve allowed the native population of somewhat funny sketch comedians to reestablish their populations.
Leo: There you go. Officer Washburn is having a bad day.
Leo: Oh, that’s always funny when the airbag goes off later.
Andy: It’s hard to recognize him, because he’s not giggling and looking into the camera inappropriately.
Leo: You don’t like Jimmy Fallen, do you?
Andy: Well I’m not overly impressed by him. But again I respect him, and I respect people who are pleased by him. I’ve sampled the new Tonight show. It’s not a product that I can use in my profession, or personal life.
Leo: I like him! He’s very likable.
Andy: He’s likable as hell, but do you want someone who is likeable, or do you want somebody who is funny?
Leo: Okay, there you go.
Andy: I just don’t get it, that’s all.
Leo: When do we cover the Mac news on this show? Is that soon? Is that coming up?
Andy: He does have a Mac on his desktop.
Leo: Okay! There you go.
Andy: Let’s have Josh on the show… Well I haven’t watched in a while. But he use to have Josh on the show a lot.
Leo: I’m sure that he will get Joshua on.
Andy: Two points very much in his favor. Again, I’m merely saying as a consumer of late night product, he does not create a product that I have use for.
Leo: When does Robert Dienero and Jody Foster show up in this? Is that later? You talking to me? You talking to me?
Andy: He’s playing with the Peter Boyle role, we’ve got to get someone else as Travis Beckle. As opposed to the other guy who hangs out at the taxi stand.
Leo: Well we cut just at the right time, by the way, on that trail there. Wow! There was some brief sensuality. I just wanted to tell you. Alright, let me give you a couple updates. First of all. Ellen uses an IPhone. Okay, that’s very important, you should all understand this.
Rene: The bestselling IPhone App.
Leo: Or it’s possible that Ellen’s people use an IPhone.
Rene: No I think its Ellen.
Alex: Ellen uses an IPhone.
Leo: You know, maybe it’s just a side effect of the business we’re in, but whenever I see product placement it’s like, Boing! Like Roger Rabbit, I see it immediately.
Alex: Now what they claim, is that it was not part of the product placement. It wasn’t part of Samsung’s deal, to get them to use it in the show. The producers thought it would be fun to use in the show and they used Samsung, obviously, because they were already a sponsor. According to the producers of the s how they were like Samsung didn’t know…
Leo: Well, according… Okay, let me tell you what the Wall Street Journal says. According to the Wall Street Journal, first, of all Samsung bought 5 minutes of ad time on the Oscar ceremony.
Alex: Which is why they used it.
Leo: Estimated 1.8 million dollars every 30 seconds. We’re talking about 20 million bucks.
Alex: Which is chunk change compared to what they got out of this
Leo: According to the Wall Street Journal, Ellen decided she wanted to do selfies during the show. ABC said, you might want to use a Samsung galaxy note 3, since they just spend 20 million dollars for 5 minutes of ad time. And it was probably more, I would guess more, as many experts said, was more impactful than the commercials themselves.
Leo: That you can’t miss that big white leather.
Andy: The big Samsung logo. It’s part of the corporate branding, only one company will make a phone that’s that tacky. That’s good identification.
Leo: Yeah! I mean, had it been almost any other phone, you wouldn’t know it was a Galaxy Note, but that phone!
Andy: Only one phone maker saw the mac 0S 1.7… saw the redesign of the Mycal or the calendar applications and said, “You know what? We do like the fake stitching’s. As a matter of fact, we’d like to put that on our real product.”
Rene: Fake leather is under-utilized in our market.
Leo: Well and also the size is kind of a giveaway there. That thing is a monster. So the first selfie she took was all blurry and icky. She goes like this.
Alex: Thank goodness Brad LaCooper took over, is all I can say.
Leo: Yeah, Bradly did excellent.
Alex: She was wanting somebody else to do it and Bradley, “Let me just have that!” And we will now turn it too landscape.
Leo: Do you think that any of them…
Andy: Don’t you love Bradly Cooper? He’s living the fantasy that all of us have had when we’re in a public place and we see somebody using a phone camera wrong, and we’re like “Give me that!” But it was like this…
Alex: It was fun to watch him though. You seem him like slowly just go, “Give it to me, give it to me, give it to me.”
Leo: And immediately go to Landscape, showing some good taste.
Alex: He could immediately tell, this is going to be crappy if I don’t get ahold of this thing.
Leo: Journal says that Ellen did receive training in the Galaxy note three.
Andy: Not much, obviously.
Leo: In rehearsal. Yeah, well she’s an IPhone user. So you know, she immediately went back stage, took back the iPhone, and tweeted out that she’d met that other hunky guy. You know the one I’m talking about. I think it’s a good picture. Now here’s the question. You see Kevin Spacey in the back, Julia Roberts, Brad Pitt, with his mouth wide open. I love Jerod Letto, he’s kind of photo bombing it. Of course, Ellen’s sitting in Marl Streep’s lap, so is Jenifer Lawrence. Do you think those celebrities got paid for that? That’s a heck of a selfie!
Andy: What I wonder is, do any of those people have promotional contracts with other makers?
Andy: And were there people like fielding phone numbers, saying yeah, you know what? Mitsubishi just paid you half a million dollars in Singapore to never be shot by any other selfie camera. Ever.
Rene: That’s why Jonny Jr. wasn’t in there.
Leo: By the way, here is the Photoshop. Of course immediately editors go crazy and…
Andy: That’s really all you need, once you’ve got Kevin Spacy.
Alex: All spacy, all the time.
Andy: Once you’ve got Kevin Spacy in there. I really think that IOS 8 should have that as a standard camera enhancement. The Kevin Spacy eyes button.
Leo: I’m amazed Galaxy doesn’t have it, after all.
Alex: You know, that would actually be a great hang out thing. You know, they have the little glasses, they should just have a Kevin Spacy face that everyone can wear.
Leo: Apparently she gave everyone in her audience… Does that mean at the Ellen show? She gave them all a Galaxy note 3.
Rene: They got to lug them home with them.
Leo: For you, and for you, and for you. And it’s just, when we, it’s so annoying now, when I run these YouTube clips, which are basically ads for Samsung products, I’ve got to see a Yogurt ad in front of it.
Alex: Here’s a really great thought. It’s someone at Samsung not thinking this all the way out. If you have a segment that you want people to actually watch, the key is to not monetize it.
Alex: So, it’s because whoever uploaded this thing, turned monetization on.
Leo: Oh, on the YouTube. I see what you’re saying.
Alex: I mean, you know…
Leo: By the way, nice plug first. I guess Samsung bought some time on Ellen as well.
Andy: So they donated a dollar every time someone retweeted the photo, and the photo got retweeted 2 million times so far!
Leo: 2 Million times so far!
Alex: 2.8, I think.
Leo: Yeah, it’s going up all the time I think! 3 Million dollars she said!
Alex: I think they said it was being tweeted 250,000 times a minute for the first little bit.
Leo: I almost retweeted it and then I was like, “Stop!”
Alex: Well what’s funny is I was going to retweet it, I thought “Oh this is a good idea.” And as soon as I went there, it was dead. Twitter went offline.
Leo: She declares triumphantly, we killed twitter! As if twitter isn’t killed frequently anyway.
Alex: It wasn’t as historical as, I think, she thought it was. But it hadn’t happened for a long time, I was like wow this is.
Leo: It was the first fill will in a couple of months probably.
Rene: You’ll have to run fill will in the closet to get it back up probably.
Leo: Hey! Anybody got the Fill will slide, quick! So they’re all getting, apparently they’re all getting Samsung galaxy note 3s. Look at that!
Andy: The problem with television, you have the academy awards. You have some of the coolest actors ever in one room, and still, the hostess saying “Hey everybody turn off the TV! Go to twitter where the cool picture is going to be!”
Leo: Isn’t that interesting.
Alex: But I think that it also… One of the things I think is really interesting though, is that a lot of people are going to take that as a lesson about how to take a… if you’re doing a life event, whether its online or whether it’s on TV, finding some way to connect with that audience and have them actually do something is very powerful.
Leo: Much better.
Alex: I think we’re going to see a lot more of that.
Leo: And unskipple. Of course a lot of people watch the academy awards live. You can expect that kind of program and that makes it hard to skip, although I did what most people do. I started the recording, and a half an hour later watched it.
Alex: Well I think that the thing is, is that this is so valuable to be doing stuff that’s interaction with the audience because now it’s a must have. It’s crossing across a couple of the social networks.
Leo: Thanks to the Globe in mail, who points out that in fact, the copy write for the photo belongs to Bradley Cooper because he takes the photo, he owns the photo.
Rene: There’s paper record for a reason, you know.
Leo: They also port out that Liza Menaly desperately tried to get in the shot, but could not! She was way up in the back, she must have run down. Liza was way in the back.
Alex: No, Liza was one or two behind Julia Roberts I think.
Leo: Oh she was right there? Oh okay.
Andy: She was part of the Wizard of Oz tribute. They cut to a spot of the three surviving children of… so…
Leo: Right. Ellen made a joke about her too saying, “Nice costume sir.” I thought that was a little unkind.
Alex: Ellen can get away with that.
Andy: I thought that they were going to get back on for some reason because she’s not… there was a, only the 12th time in human history, a human being has one the Egot because one of the composers of the Frozen song also has one the tony award, an Emmy and a Grammy.
Leo: The youngest egot yet, 31 years old.
Andy: Right, and Liza is one of the only people, living people who have actually won this thing. So you think there would have been hustler back stage for a photo op. I’m sure you could have twisted her arm to get a picture taken during the Oscars.
Leo: Globe and Mail points out that if Ellen wishes to use that image in any other promotional material, she must get Bradley Coopers help and approval.
Andy: Standard wavier and approval.
Leo: He wants photo credit.
Alex: Yeah, exactly.
Leo: Really there is Mac news. I’m going to, one more thing and we’re going to take a break and then we’ll actually come back with some actual content. Although I’m enjoying this.
Alex: I know, I am too.
Leo: Thank you for solving my problem.
Alex: What did I solve? Oh Yeah, yeah!
Leo: So the MacPro. Just an update on the MacPro, which is flaky and weird. And I thought it was just being me! Even I blame myself, “Oh I must be doing something wrong and that’s why it rebooted 3 times in 3 minutes.” So I’m unplugging stuff, maybe I have a bad drive, maybe something is going on. Fortunately Alex wanted to benchmark, this is the new MacPro, the late 2013 mac pro even though no one saw one until 2014. The late 2013 MacPro is late. So Alex wanted to bench mark it. Last week, you gave it to Keith.
Alex: So I handed it off to somebody else. Of course I say on the show, I’m going to bench mark it, and then I hand it off to Keith.
Leo: That’s fine! You have people to do that. So…
Alex: And then I said, but check the USB, do some big read writes and stuff like that. Keith was very thorough.
Leo: He wasn’t able to do anything, right?
Alex: Well he just said… no he gave me… he sent me this is long thing. Like this is what I did, this copied the first time, doesn’t copy the second time. This will install, this won’t install.
Leo: Kind of up and down.
Alex: He said this thing is a big mess!
Leo: You said it was haunted.
Alex: Haunted. Yeah.
Leo: Then he tried to run diagnostics, couldn’t.
Leo: And he had the good sense to pull out the one of the RAM modules.
Alex: He’s widely that way.
Leo: Did he get any indicator that there was problems with that RAM?
Alex: Well Keith knows a lot about these things.
Leo: He just thought about it and said, well maybe, this is like bad RAM. It is by the way, that is kind of typical of bad RAM is weird intermitted stuff.
Alex: Yeah, because it’s accessing that memory and not getting out.
Leo: So I don’t know if this physical damage on this RAM is dremain or not, but there was a visible scuff mark and actually this is the RAM module. This is an Apple Module. It was a BTO, so it came with 3 sticks, 12 gigs and then as ordered they but a 3rd. Thanks to Ed Egbert they put a 4th one in.
Alex: But whoever stuck the forth one in…
Leo: This is… Can you see that scuff, that little scuff there? And first of all, that shouldn’t be there unless… It’s like somebody stepped on it at the factory. And then Bergs thinks that there’s damage to a couple of these tracers right here, and maybe up here too. You see they got smashed. That clearly got smashed. So I already called Apple care, and they did a lot of diagnostics. And they said, “Well just let us know what else…” try this try that. So I emailed them that, and he called me… Cody called me, he was up in Sacramento and he said send me pictures. That’s why there’s pictures for this. So he said yeah, there’s replacement, let me call around and see if I can get a replacement stick of ram for you. He called me back and said none of the Apple stores anywhere in the country have anything like that. But here’s what we want you to do. But the stick back in, bring the whole thing to the Apple store, let them test it, if they agree there is something wrong with it, they will then give you the Mback, take it back home and in a month or two when they get new ram, we’ll come back up and install it for you at no charge. And I said, yeah. No! Takes too long, I’m not going to make two or three trips up there etc. etc. for the RAM. So I checked MAC, Other World Computing has it! Do you think, Rene, or anybody that it’s the same? They say it’s compatible.
Rene: Compatible, I don’t know if it’s identical. But it’s…
Leo: I’m sure it’s not identical.
Rene: Maybe discovered another one of the supply constraints, Leo.
Leo: Yeah. Well in fact, I then got a call from Austin. Where they’re making these things. And from a very nice lady, Christina, who said, well we’re calling all the people who have problems with their MacPro to see what’s going on. So I filled her in on this problem and she said, “Well let me get back to you.” I still haven’t heard back from them. But meanwhile, for $74, I ordered another 4 gig. Module, it should come today. Yeah, it’s not. They say it has all of the things that Apple does. You know. Apple specify thermal sensor for instance, but I don’t know. I don’t know if it’s the wrong thing or not.
Rene: I’ve used them for years, they’ve always been good.
Leo: Other world Computing is great. It’s for us unconcerned.
Alex: I’m going to show my age. Every time I see prices for RAM, I always think of the early days when I .
Leo: 4 gigs. 75 bucks!
Rene: They cost as much as a new car!
Alex: I remember, I bought a 64, I think it was a 64 gig. Or 64 Meg. For 900 dollars.
Leo: It’s DER 3 its ECC, although it’s interesting. If the modules are bigger than I think 8 gigs. Than it gets a different kind of ECC, anyway it’s very complicated. So my first question was, and I think we already figured this out, it used to be you had to add ram in pairs, so it had to be balanced.
Alex: You haven’t had to do that for a while.
Leo: Yeah, you haven’t had to do that for a while but I wasn’t sure, it comes with 3 anyway. It comes with 12 gigs and an empty slot, right?
Rene: Yeah, but its three channel ram I think, on all the Mac Pros.
Leo: Oh ok.
Rene: On all recent new machines. I don’t know how the 2s match up to the 3s anymore.
Leo: Does it even matter?
Rene: Maybe you need six now at this multiple.
Alex: The only thing that we tend to be, what we tend to be superstitious about is that we tend to make sure that all the RAM is made by the same manufacturer.
Leo: This won’t be.
Alex: We’ll see how that goes.
Leo: I don’t really need it, because for me. 12 gigs is plenty.
Leo: But for you, you said you want more memory to really do those bench marks. You need more memory.
Leo: I’ll give this to you after I get the new RAM in it.
Alex: You can give the ram to us and we’ll put it in.
Leo: What Apple says is not unreasonable, but it would have been nice if they would have said, oh good, we’ll send you a new module, send us the old one back. It’s clearly scuffed. I don’t…
Alex: They’ve never done that.
Leo: They don’t do that?
Alex: No, ever.
Alex: No because then it’s a warranty issue. They just asked the user to do something, to consider something they should do.
Leo: Although it is user upgradable part.
Alex: It is, but they don’t want to send you something new and then you send it back and say, “Hey it didn’t work.” Because you didn’t get it all the way in.
Leo: For all they know, I scuffed it. When we pulled it out, I stepped on it, right? They don’t know what happened.
Andy: Leo Laporte.
Leo: And you can clearly see me with my thumb on the Gold contacts, so obviously I ruined that RAM anyway.
Alex: There was no static wristband.
Leo: I was about to say… Apple busted! I’m busted!
Alex: I kind of miss the static wrist bands.
Leo: But I think that does mean that maybe that’s one supply constraint. They don’t have separate memory. They said it would be able at roughly the same time the next generation of MacpPros shipment is available.
Alex: Maybe that’s the reason that they’re waiting.
Leo: Maybe it is grand…
Alex: Maybe you should call crucial. Because I mean, they should call…
Leo: Mack world, Mack sales, Other World computing.
Alex: Other World Computing and say, “Hey we could use some RAM.”
Leo: Then, of course, on Google plus everybody weighs in. I see no evidence that this is the cause of the issue. The protective covering looks fine. Okay, whatever.
Alex: Obvious Photoshop.
Rene: With a degree in biology.
Leo: I mean, whether the scuff did anything or not, it’s clearly scuffed, that doesn’t seem right.
Alex: And we know we took it out and everything worked fine. It’s not that we took it out, saw it was scuffed, and decided it was broken. All the tests were failing, then we took that out, and all the tests were working.
Leo: And that doesn’t look good!
Rene: That should not be scuffed. I wouldn’t trust it if it were scuffed.
Leo: Whether that’s a problem or not, it’s not right! And it did squish this trace, this trace is definitely squished.
Andy: Also if you unpack it and it looks like it was licked at the factory. I would not sign for the package.
Leo: Somebody spit in my MacPro. Is this for Leo? Oh that guy!
Andy: I couldn’t resist! It’s such a sexy design!
Leo: Oh no! Stop it!
Andy: Oh my gosh! There’s a hippy chest here inside there man too! Ahh!
Leo: Alright. Anyway, that’s the update on the MacPro. Its working just fine now with 12 gigs. The way God intended it. And I’ll put the Other World in. But I don’t really need it, it’s for your benefit. Because 12 gigs, basically I could be using a Chromebook for what I do with that thing.
Alex: Don’t say that in public.
Andy: Just to honk off a lot of people, you should attach to a VGA monitor. Like an old one.
Alex: I’ve got an old Sun monitor around here somewhere.
Andy: Go to the recycling Depot. And every time you see the big pile of monitors, just grab one. Even a view sonic.
Leo: (Laughs) And Keith did all the updates.
Rene: Packard Bell VGA screen.
Leo: I really think that Apple is doing its best. I really do. I’m not upset, I’m really not. And it works fine. It looks good with a VGA monitor. I shouldn’t have. Apple has no idea who I am, through all of this. Cody says, “You sound like you know what you’re talking about.” I don’t, Keith does. Ladies and Gentlemen we’re going to take a break, come back we’ll talk about the iTunes festival and knolling.
Alex: It’s all about the Knolling.
Leo: It’s all about the Knolling. I didn’t know this.
Alex: You didn’t knoll that.
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Alex: And great furniture evidently.
Leo: Mickey Mouse Disney center in Los Angeles. Whatever it’s called, the Disney. Is Geary and so is Experienced Music project, I think. He was designing chairs, a lot of architects do this. Denise Vanderogue did it. Goudy did it.
Alex: And they look very much like his buildings.
Leo: Yeah. Swoopy dopy. Oh beautiful! Yeah, they do. They look like his buildings! Anyway he was deigning chairs for a company called Knoll, a design firm, known for its angular furniture. The janitor noted as he was tidying up, that Geary’s tools were all arranged at right angles. On the surfaces. He’s one of those guys.
Alex: I’m in to right angles.
Leo: And he called the style of organization Knolling, because they were designing chairs for Knoll. Kind of interesting. A contemporary artist, Tom Sacks, who also worked at Geary’s shop, made it into his personal mantra, always be knolling.
Andy: And knolling his half the battle.
Alex: You’re waiting for someone to say, “Is this all organized correctly?’ And you can say, I don’t knoll!
Leo: Here’s the rules for always be knolling. This is from 10 bullets, his 2009 studio manual. Is this, did you do a search for knoll?
Rene: Yeah, this is the idea, is that you take similar items and you put them next to each other.
Leo: Well let me give you the rules.
Rene: Yeah, go ahead.
Leo: Scan your environment for materials, tools, books, music, etc. which are not in use and put them away. If you’re not sure leave it out. Group all like objects, group all like objects and then. Andy is laughing and I’m laughing because I think our houses don’t look like this.
Andy: Exactly. This is where refuges for rolling in knolling camps come from for gratis and some safety.
Leo: Never be knolling is Andy’s motto.
Andy:… My laptop I sent back two years ago!
Leo: Be free!
Andy: Work shoes that I got from my dad’s garage, when we closed up the house and haven’t touched it since!
Leo: Excuse me, but when you see somebody who is doing this, you think they are mentally ill. You don’t assume this…
Alex: When, I look at this, I go through states of knolling.
Leo: Well I try. Briefly.
Alex: No, no my house will be like a mess, but if I have enough conference calls, my house will become very clean. And as soon as it becomes clean, I do exactly what it says here. I didn’t know what it was called something.
Leo: Align, or square all objects to either the surface they rest on, or the studio themselves. So everything is at right angles. And apparently Steve Jobs knew this, or somebody did. Because if you look at an Apple store, it’s all knolled. It’s perfect. No wires visible, frankly very few curves visible. It’s all squared off, right angles.
Andy: See I don’t know, it’s just that in high school in the 80s I worked in the computer department in the office equipment department in a big department store and apparently we were into, we got memos about knolling as well, only we called it get that crap off the shelves. Make sure everything is lined up perfectly. That was like the last thing we had to do after we sent the customers home, before we could go get our coats and go home, was to make sure all the laptops were square, make sure everything’s been put back away. It’s, I enjoy those knolling pictures because I just enjoy… there is something about my personality that says that I love seeing 400 different types of phones in one gallery all lined up nicely. I’m not sure if I would take all 400 phones that are in my hardware library and line them up that way, but it’s nice. It’s knolling, is self-soothing behavior for a certain type of personality.
Leo: It is, for some people it just has to be that way.
Andy: And there is nothing negative about it, but for some people you get a certain amount of pleasure for some meditative act. Just like raking those parallel lines in the sand bed. Instead, I’m going to take everything out of my pocket, I’m going to take all the cards out of my pocket, I’m going to line them up very nicely. I’m going to observe my collection of objects, I’m going to delete everything that looks superfluous, and them I’m going to put it right back.
Leo: I should give full credit to Emma Overton who wrote the original article for the Australian site askmen.com ‘Became a Better Man.’ Become a better man by knolling. I didn’t know, this but apparently Brian has a term for it, stacking blocking.
Brian: Here’s a German game show channel. That’s right, a German game show channel.
Leo: It’s a very old clip.
Brian: This is weird, this is very strange. It says right now they’re in the middle of a show called stacking blocking. Where contestants have to arrange items on a dresser at right angles. That passes for fun in Germany.
Leo: Oh no! He’s measuring it with a T-square. Wow! Oh my! You really must stacking blocking correctly. It’s a little OCD.
Andy: I don’t think that’s really a show.
Rene: Still not as bad as some of the Japanese game shows.
Alex: Now if you were really into this would, people just call you Anal?
Leo: Yeah! It’s OCD I think, really. But there is something to be said for…
Andy: If you’re lining it up its Knolling, if you then have to touch the tip of the screw driver 9 times and then the tape measure 4 times its something that perhaps you should seek a medical…
Leo: Right. That is OCD. But there is something to be said for having a tidy work space, where everything is put away where it should be. Your mind then doesn’t have to spend any energy on the workspace. It spends energy on the work.
Rene: But there are a lot of well-organized empty stores too. It’s certainly not the secret to Apple success.
Leo: I’ve got to say the people ruin it. It’s stacking blocking when the store opens, but then I’ve never seen an Apple store that’s not overflowing with round people. Screwing it all up! So I think if really Apple…
Andy: Like those children with their chubby, chubby cheeks.
Leo: I hate that.
Andy: They should be aesthetic. They should be linear.
Rene: In series, it’s necessary but not sufficient to Apple success.
Leo: Yeah. Did you all read the expert from the new book about Apple and Tim Cook, in the Wall Street Journal? Should I summarize it a little bit? This is going to be a book, let me see if I can get the name of it.
Rene: The Revelation, Leo.
Leo: It actually explains quite a bit.
Andy: It was such a good piece I actually preordered the book.
Leo: Yeah, I can’t wait to read it. Although some people think it’s kind of a hit piece on Cook.
Rene: I’m not looking forward to the book. I’m going to read it, but I’m not looking forward to it.
Leo: Haunted Empire, It’s called. Apple after Steve jobs. It’s written by Former Wall Street Journal reporter Ukari Cane. And you know, the hit on it, and I think this came from Jim Dowlrimple was that a lot of this is second hand. Right, but she wasn’t there. But of course not, that’s how reporting is. Shortly after Tim Cook, seceded his job of CEO of Apple, she says he told the confidante he got up every morning reminding himself, just do the right thing. Don’t worry about what Steve would do. Right on. We’ve talked a little bit about that. That can haunt you. That hurt Ford for a long time, for instance. You know, Henry Ford looking over your shoulder.
Rene: Cook has mentioned that several times.
Leo: Yeah. Apparently he’s also fairly demanding. We know him as the supply guy. But in meetings apparently he could be fairly demanding. Although I don’t know a tech CEO, when you finally here these stories, like Bill Gates.
Alex: Oh but not demanding, what is wrong with them? I mean that’s there…
Leo: That’s their job.
Rene: There was that story years ago about a problem in China, and he turned to the guy and goes, “Why are you still here?” And that was still when he was CEO..
Leo: Right on.
Andy: And then the guy left the table, did not go home to pack, he went right to the airport and went right to China.
Leo: Right. One planner recalls Cook saying, “Your numbers make me want to jump out that window over there.” But didn’t Steve Jobs say, “You’re ruining my company?”
Alex: He said a lot of things!
Leo: Jeff Bezos said exactly that. This is what a good CEO maybe has to do.
Andy: The impression that I get from… I don’t know as many people who worked with Tim as I did with people who worked with Steve Jobs. But the impression I get was that I get from this conversations is that if Tim Cook says something like that is you know that it’s a rational response to actual data, and if you present him with the exact same situation a week later, he’ll have the exact same type of response. And what’s the improvement that a lot of people are siting is that we feel the people is that the CEO is on even more predictable and even keel.
Leo: Yeah, if it’s related to something!
Andy: I don’t think I would survive long with a boss that is quite that demanding. But it well within the bandwidth when you have a job that reports directly to the CEO. Well damn it, you really do have to have the spreadsheet with the right numbers, and if there’s any fudge in that number you better make sure you get that out before you go into the conference room. And that’s not irrational.
Leo: Yeah. Here’s the paragraph I think, that to me was the most interesting. “Meetings with Cook could be terrifying.” She writes. “He exuded a Zen like calm and didn’t waste words. ‘Talk about your numbers, put your spread sheet up.’ He’d say as he nursed a mountain dew. Some staffers wondered why he wasn’t bouncing off the walls from the caffeine.” But remember Steve Jobs very famously said, “Enough small talk.”
Alex: The story was I guess someone, it was like a Monday and someone came in. They were starting a meeting with Steve Jobs and they asked him how his weekend was. And I think the quote was let’s bring the intelligence of the conversation up shall we?”
Leo: Yeah, enough small talk. We’ve got a job to do.
Alex: Andy can probably test to this, and Rene, if you’re at Apple, if you’re ever at Apple meetings they’re notoriously short on small talk, you walk into a conference room and the only thing they’re going to talk about is what you’re there to talk about. Now if you go to lunch…
Leo: Right! That’s different.
Alex: Then you can talk about whatever you want to talk about. But if you’re in that conference you only talk about what you’re there to talk about.
Leo: That’s a good corporate company, if you ask me.
Alex: It is across the board, every Apple, you know, place I’ve ever been to have meetings for whatever reason. We use to do a lot of software development as a third party developer. And we’d show them what we were working on. And there was just zero small talk.
Leo: I don’t have too much of a problem with that. “When Cook turned the spotlight on someone,” she goes on to write, “He hammered them with questions until he was satisfied. Why is that, what do you mean, I don’t understand, why are you not making it clear?” He may not have said it like that, he may have said it nicely. Why is that? What do you mean? I don’t understand.
Rene: Bill Gates had a reputation of doing the same thing.
Leo: Jeff Bezos. The meetings at Amazon are silent for the first 15 minutes. Because if you’re presenting in a meeting you’re allowed to write a 6 page press release for what this feature will do. The press release is the press release that will go out to the public. It’s focused on how it will make the public’s life better, Right?
Leo: And you give it to all the executives in the room. They read it for 15 minutes and then you begin. I think this is a very smart thing in a corporate culture to have a culture of we don’t have time to waste, let’s get to work.
Rene: Especially at that size. That’s in a massive scale.
Leo: “Cook also knew the power of silence. He could do more with the pause, than Jobs ever could do with a eupeptic. When someone was unable to answer a question, Cook would sit without a word while people stared at the table and shifted in their seats. The silence would be so intense and uncomfortable that everyone in the room wanted to back away. Unperturbed, Cook didn’t move a finger as he focused his eyes on the squirming subject. Sometimes he’d take an energy bar from his pocket while he wanted for an answer and the hush would only be ruined by the crackling of his wrapper.” That’s spooky.
Rene: That only happened once, that guy is in trouble.
Leo: That’s doctor no stuff.
Andy: You imagine someone leaving Apple, and like 5 years later every time one of their kids opens up a wrapper or something it’s like eeekk! All of your snacks come in plastic baggies nothing that crinkles.
Leo: “He gets up at 4:30 or 5 AM, hits the Gym. Eats protein bars throughout the day, simple meals like chicken and rice for lunch. Inhumane stamina, he could fly to Asia spend three days there, fly back and be in the office by 8:30 interrogating somebody about the numbers. Relentlessly frugal. For many years, Tim Cook lived in a rental unit in a dingy ranch style building with no air-conditioning. He said it reminded him of his humble roots. When he finally purchased a house it was a modest 2400 square foot home, built on a half lot with a single parking spot. His first,” this is a good measure, in Silicon Valley. “His first sports car was a use Porsche Ouster.” Eww!
Andy: Who would buy a used car?
Rene: It probably wasn’t even allowed in the Apple parking lot.
Leo: The poor man’s Porsha. Even his hobbies were hard core, cycling and rock climbing. I don’t know, he sounds like a good guy actually.
Rene: The kind of guy who gets to be CEO of Apple.
Leo: Yeah. Gave away the frequent flier miles he racked up as Christmas gifts. He volunteered in a soup kitchen during thanksgiving. He raised money for multiple sclerosis with a 2 day cycling event across Georgia. I have to respect him, we all heard the story of the shareholder meeting last week.
Alex: I loved that story. I don’t think we talked about that.
Leo: NO it happened after the show. So there was a conservative group in there. A conservative think take in the shareholders meeting. And they raised the question with Tim Cook. All of this environmental stuff you do, hits the bottom line, hits your return on investment. You really ought to be paying attention to this, you know, the cost of this. They were pushing a shareholder proposal that would have required Apple to disclose the cost of its sustainability programs, and to be more transparent about its participation in trade associations, in business organizations promoting environmental sustainability. Shareholders rejected the proposal less than 3% of the vote. But during the Q and A session the representative of NCPPR asked Mr. Cook two questions. First, he challenged, for Mr. Cook that Apples sustainability programs and goals, for instance 100% of its powers coming from green sources of the bottom line. He said, “Isn’t that just because government subsidies on green energy?” And then he said, he asked him to commit, then and there, to only doing things that were profitable. This is Brian Chaffin writing in the MAC observer, “What ensued was the only time I can recall seeing Tim Cook angry. And he categorically rejected the world view behind the NCPPR question, he said “There are many things Apple does because they are right and just. A return on investment is not the primary consideration on such issues. He said I don’t consider the bloody ROI when we work on making devices assessable by the blind.”
Alex: What I love is the next one where he says…
Leo: If you want me to do things only for ROI reasons, you should get out of this stock.
Alex: And he’s not saying he never pays attention to ROI but he’s definitely not saying he’s only going to pay attention to ROI.
Leo: Get out of my stock.
Andy: It was a really impeding question.
Andy: If it were a legitimate shareholder raising a question saying I don’t particularly care about your corporate imperatives, I invest in your company because I think that I’ll yield better returns for my clients and retirement portfolios. That’s kind of okay, and maybe they would have phrased it differently but this was a guy from a think tank group that just wanted to get a sound bite they could put on a post card.
Alex: He did.
Leo: He got the sound bite. So Ukari Canes book about Tim Cook is coming out just a few days from now. March 18th. Haunted Empire, Apple after Steve Jobs.
Andy: That has to be one of many downsides of being CEO of Apple. Almost every other executive at every other company is allowed to simply head up a company with lots of responsibilities, lots of opportunities, and lots of challenges. Tim Cook now has to be a celebrity, where people have to start hammering at his personal life, and the fact that he doesn’t wear his personal life in the form of press release so it’s a mysterious thing that people now have to investigate. And I imagine that just a weekly bummer for him to have to deal with that kind of stuff.
Leo: Gill Amelia said that when he was briefly and notoriously Apples CEO. He said I thought I was here to run a company. That’s like running a religion. It’s a very different Job. Anyway I think on balance Tim Cook comes out pretty good. There’s still a question, as there always will be about Tim Cook is he’s clearly not Steve Jobs. Does somebody in Apple that will have the vision that Steve Jobs did.
Alex: I don’t think we’re going to know for 3 to 5 years. I think to really understand how culturally what it’s done.
Rene: Which is why the Haunted Empire book is probably premature. But again, I’ll wait until I read it.
Andy: It’s a title that is meant to get headlines, and to sell a book. But just like when Leander wrote the first real book on Johnny Ive, the fact that this is a new book that it covers a subject that hasn’t really been covered in such depth. Will have to get our hands on it and see if that jives with reality, but the fact that this book is out makes it an interesting book for anybody.
Rene: I look forward to it, but my hopes were dashed a lot when I read the New Yorker articles.
Leo: The New Yorker articles? Was there an article….
Rene: She wrote an article she wrote in the New Yorker that was not put in the magazine, but was put online, and it read like one of those analysts who spent years covering Apple but never understood them. It was a typical Apple hasn’t put out any great products. Apple is doomed without Steve Jobs. And really, if I hadn’t seen her name on it I would have thought it was another one of those wacky analysts, and not thought about it for two seconds. So I hope the book is a lot deeper than that article was.
Leo: We’re going to take break. Come back with Snow Leopard and the end of the line for this four year old operating system. The Apple TV rumors, true? Nope. Nope. And a lot more.
Andy: Should you have like a clip on beard standing by.
Alex: I can’t even imagine him saying it.
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Alex: it’s hard because its’ round.
Leo: There. The handle’s got to be right. There. We mentioned last week the ITunes festival at south pie. That’s exciting.
Alex: It’s going to be big. They’ve added more people since we’ve last talked about it. They’ve got Sound Garden Playing.
Leo: Well and Gruger thinks that this is going to be the release of 7.1 too.
Rene: Which would be interesting because it would be the first time they released an 0S, well an s.1 without a gold master seed.
Leo: They haven’t done the Gold master yet?
Leo: They’ve done how many? 8 Betas?
Rene: 7 I think.
Leo: So according to Gruber, Apple is going to stream the performances at South Pie, they’ve always done it on iTunes, you watch live it’s fun. But they’re also going to do it on IOS. He says I’ve heard from a little birdie, a little birdie the App requires a 7.1
Alex: Well they’re going to have to hurry up. That’s all I’ve got to say, they better hurry up.
Leo: its next week. Well when is music, is it? It’s soon right?
Alex: I think its next week.
Leo: Cold Play, Keith Urban, he’s so great on American Idol. No I’m just kidding. Kendrick Lamar, Pitbull, Soundgarden, Imagine Dragons. 5 knights starts March 11.
Alex: Next week.
Leo: That’s cold play. So do you think, is that Credible? Johns pretty connected.
Rene: He’s got good sources.
Alex: That’d be a good way to get a lot of people upgrading.
Leo: Yeah, You know what? That’s good timing right? You can’t use the app unless you run 7.1, and you have one day to install it.
Rene: Their adoption rates are so high anyway.
Leo: Exactly, they don’t need to do anything.
Andy: And also we forget that the iPhone is such a main stream device that what percentage of people worldwide who have iPhone even care about southwest music?
Leo: I care. Saturday March 15th, Keith Urban, Willie Nelson and… I want that show!
Rene: On your IPhone.
Leo: On my iPhone or iPad. Alright well from Johns lips to Tim’s ears. Oh that sounds a little dirty.
Andy: You’ve been reading my fan pick (laughs)
Rene: There’s a lot of necessary updates in that, and as soon as it comes out the better.
Leo: Yeah. Will people be a little reluctant though to jump to 7.1? after…
Rene: If they get a respring day, probably not.
Andy: This is an eagerly awaited update for a lot of people. This is not incidental.
Leo: Still your advice would be… to wait right?
Alex: Yeah, I usually upgrade some of my devices and leave some of my other ones.
Leo: Only 5 betas the chartroom reminds us. Thanks dark Macintosh.
Andy: You know it’s weird, has everybody updated all their for real day to day devices?
Leo: 706, better do that.
Andy: I mean from IOS6 to IOS7. I still have one holdout.
Alex: I had one, I had, I think, I went a week with 7 and then just upgraded everything. I was like okay, this is much better.
Rene: I have an iPod touch still on 6 just for testing. But my Macpro just went to Mavericks yesterday.
Alex: After getting use to 7 I kept on looking back at 6 I felt so ancient.
Leo: You waited to go to Mavericks until yesterday, Rene Ritchie?
Alex: I still haven’t gone to Mavericks.
Rene: I usually wait six months to a year. On whatever machine I use for podcasting just in case, because sometimes it’s weird software, like caster app.
Leo: We are so different, because I actually install the new version of the operating system during the podcast.
Rene: During the show?
Leo: Almost always during, it’s a long standing tradition on twit.
Alex: I think the only mavericks we have are the computers we’ve bought since it was released, that you know, come with mavericks, so we’ve got like three or four machines that have Mavericks on them. But outside of that we’re all sticll 1086.
Leo: I don’t have a machine that doesn’t have maverick on it.
Andy: This is not a specific vote against mavericks or IOS7, but my day to day use iPad is still running IOS6. Only because every time I think I’m going to get around to it, I don’t get around to it. I ask myself why I have to get around to it right now, put things off. IOS7 there’s a lot of things I like about it but nothing I have to do. On my 15 inch Macbook Pro, I still have it on the previous edition, again because, I have Mavericks running on two different new machines that I’ve bought since it came out, and I like it it’s just that I don’t miss anything when I switch back to this other computer that still has the other operating system on it. That’s unprecedented in my history, I feel as if I really should. Like I said, it’s not a vote against IOS7, it’s not a vote against Mavericks, it’s just that there hasn’t been that moment that said, oh here is an app I really want to use that requires it. I better update this right, right now.
Leo: Well you better update it if you’re on Snow Leopard. Snow Leopard what 4 and a half years old.
Rene: No! That articles not right. That article is horrible.
Leo: It seems older than that. Are you talking about Greg Kiser’s article in Other World?
Rene: Yeah. That’s horrible.
Leo: Okay, let’s take it out of the equation.
Rene: Peter Kohen got so angry he wrote an instant review model.
Leo: Did he?
Rene: yeah, because it’s still available for sale on Apple.com. It’s still being updated as recently.
Leo: Oh! I fell for it.
Rene: It was not susceptible to this SSL hack, therefore it did not need to be patched.
Leo: It didn’t have the gotofail problem.
Rene: Yes, correct.
Leo: So Apple hasn’t retired it for support.
Rene: No not yet.
Alex: They just didn’t need to upgrade it for that.
Leo: Well Greg Kiser, what the hell? I mean, I trust Computer world so I just went with it. So yes, I did notice you could still buy Snow Leopard. So Apple has made no announcement we’re not going to support Snow Leopard.
Alex: So really the take on this is, if you want to stay secure, keep on using Snow Leopard.
Rene: Well use something that doesn’t have this bug. One of the reason I finally updated was I had to do the SSL bug fix anyway, and I figured I might as well just get mavericks on.
Leo: The SSL bug is a Mavericks issue. It’s not snow leopard, lion, or mountain lion.
Rene: I don’t remember if it hit mountain lion or not.
Leo: Peter says neither lion nor mountain lion.
Leo: I’m really actually relieved, because there are Macs as little as 5 years old that can’t go beyond snow leopard.
Rene: People still use it for, is it Rosetta?
Leo: it’s the last Rosetta yeah.
Alex: If you want to run Photoshop 5.
Leo: Right, if you have apps that were on power PC, you can’t go past Snow Leopard.
Andy: As we always say, it’ll continue to run all the software that it ran at the time when you decided to pass on the upgrade. You can’t complain that every piece of software and every operating system that Apple…Every piece of software ever written will always work with the machine that I had when I was in middle school.
Leo: Well I apologize. I mean I should. Thank you Peter Koehn for setting the record straight. I use to think, I no longer do, but I use to think of Computer World was a reliable source. I apologize.
Rene: That one Author has not got a good track record when it comes to Apple. I mean there is a lot of really good writers there but that one author likes to stick it to apple.
Leo: Peter said Greg Kiser has a very long history of twisting whatever he can find with an anti-apple slant. He’s an Apple troll. So computer world, maybe you want to think about…
Rene: Let him cover something else!
Leo: Move him over to the Microsoft side. Wow! I apologize folks for repeating that story. I think I talked about it on Twit on Sunday, we’ll have to fix that next week.
Rene: Well the truth will be whenever there is an update with Snow Leopard and Apple does in a timely fashion. I just think you can’t tell that based on not having to update something.
Leo: It didn’t have a problem, so we didn’t fix it! That seems reasonable.
Andy: Is that okay with you Mr. Kaiser?
Alex: But it did lead to a good conversation about who upgrades when.
Rene: Well that’s the thing that security, you know that wealth in security now, Leo. Is that people report security without giving them any context, and it happens so often it ends up just scaring people.
Leo: yeah, and its hard work I’m glad we have Steve Gibson, who kind of vets this stuff. And I always try to think with a grain of salt in this. But in this one I trusted Computer World, that’s terrible! Now I’m nervous about all these other stories! Apple details touch ID in the A7 updated security document.
Rene: Which is actually terrific. That whole document is fantastic.
Leo: Secure on clave is, sounds like a place where data is stored securely. Is that correct?
Alex: That’s the theory.
Rene: Yeah, it’s a custom A7 chip, they have a secure on clave on that chip and the touch ID sensor is actually individually pared with every A7 chip, so if you swap out the sensor, if you get your hands on the phone and think you can just swap out the sensor, it won’t work. You literally have to have those two components to get it out of there. And it goes through a hardware channel, it never goes up into the higher functions of the phone, like into RAM or anything else. They put a lot of effort into making that incredibly secure.
Leo: Each secure on clave is visioned during fabrication of the chip with a unique ID. So each chip has a built in unique ID other parts of the system can’t get it, it is not known to Apple according to this document, when a device starts up and a femoral key is created, is mashed up with a U ID, probably in a hash function and that’s what used to crypt the secure on clave memory space. So that’s secure. Even Apple can’t get into that.
Alex: Well I think that also points to that Apple is not going to make this just a convenience Item. I think you go through that kind of trouble to use it for a lot of things…
Leo: I have to ask Steve about that because they’re not using hash they’re using a term I have not heard before. Tangled. They I don’t know, Steve will know if this is a standard security term. Data that is saved to the file system by the secure enclave is encrypted with a key tangled with a UID and an anti-replay counter. Sounds good to me. I’ll take two.